Video: Smacking the Hack Attack

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Environmentalist Peter Sinclair’s new video is about the most absurdly overblown phony scandal in a year overflowing with phony right wing scandals, drearily dubbed “Climategate” by right wing blogs and Fox News, in hopes that it will turn out to be a death blow to global warming.

It’s not a death blow. It’s not even a stubbed toe. It’s a big nothing, a yawning chasm of foolishness filled with idiocy and hot air. The screaming from every right wing blog over this nonsense would actually be funny, if it weren’t so utterly, shamefully pathetic.

Sinclair puts some of the emails most distorted by the deniers into their proper context, and shows the incredibly dishonest tactics they’re using to continue trying to pump up this non-story, by fooling the gullible.

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336 comments
1 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:51:43pm

Not sure why Fox News is getting credit for ginning up this story, since a google search of ' ClimateGate' shows CBS news at number one, followed by a number of foreign and other sites, including the WaPo, as well as Fox. It's trumpted all over Europe on page one, so really, Fox is not responsible for whatever half life it happens to have.

2 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:54:11pm

I'm also a little disturbed by the knee jerk reaction supporting the Navy Seals who are being brought up on charges. We really don't have many facts yet. Would Lindy England have gotten the same support if Obama was President?

3 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:54:36pm

PIMF/ ' trumpeted'

4 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:54:50pm

re: #1 tradewind

Not sure why Fox News is getting credit for ginning up this story, since a google search of ' ClimateGate' shows CBS news at number one, followed by a number of foreign and other sites, including the WaPo, as well as Fox. It's trumpted all over Europe on page one, so really, Fox is not responsible for whatever half life it happens to have.

climategate site:cbsnews.com 2,880 hits

climategate site:foxnews.com 31,000 hits

Fox "News" wins.

6 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:56:19pm

re: #4 Gus 802

Fox "News" wins.


Heh.

7 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:56:37pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

I'm also a little disturbed by the knee jerk reaction supporting the Navy Seals who are being brought up on charges. We really don't have many facts yet. Would Lindy England have gotten the same support if Obama was President?

Notice that I'm staying away from the story. Why? Because I no longer have a single atom of trust in the right wing's phony scandals, and I'm quite certain there's much more to that story.

8 ghazidor  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:57:03pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

I'm also a little disturbed by the knee jerk reaction supporting the Navy Seals who are being brought up on charges. We really don't have many facts yet. Would Lindy England have gotten the same support if Obama was President?

If Obama was president and Cheney was playing cheerleader for her? Yes.

9 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:57:13pm

re: #4 Gus 802
When I typed ' Climategate', CBS news was listed first.
I am just saying that Fox News is hardly the lone voice crying in the media wilderness here.

10 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 5:58:34pm

re: #7 Charles

They were offered non-judicial punishment and opted for a trial which is their right. They may very well walk on most of the charges, but the swearing to a false statement will get them, it is a catch all the military uses.

11 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:00:32pm

re: #9 tradewind

When I typed ' Climategate', CBS news was listed first.
I am just saying that Fox News is hardly the lone voice crying in the media wilderness here.

I go by number of hits. Obviously Fox News would pimp up "Climategate" because that's what their audience wants to hear. CBS did do a couple of things but far less. Of course this would be a bigger story in the UK since it did originate from the UK.

12 darthstar  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:01:28pm

re: #4 Gus 802

Fox "News" wins.

This is why I think Google should pre-emptively give in to Rupert Murdoch and put a filter on their search engine to block all Fox/NewsCorp content. Of course, Murdoch will cry foul and say he wants them to show his sites, just not his content (without paying him for it).

13 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:02:23pm

re: #11 Gus 802

I go by number of hits. Obviously Fox News would pimp up "Climategate" because that's what their audience wants to hear. CBS did do a couple of things but far less. Of course this would be a bigger story in the UK since it did originate from the UK.

Would not the content of the story be more relevant than the number of hits?

14 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:02:33pm

re: #7 Charles

Smart move. Either way, the military has the right to maintain order and discipline. I'm sure they're handling the situation for the best.

15 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:02:43pm

re: #12 darthstar

This is why I think Google should pre-emptively give in to Rupert Murdoch and put a filter on their search engine to block all Fox/NewsCorp content. Of course, Murdoch will cry foul and say he wants them to show his sites, just not his content (without paying him for it).

What's the follow up on that plan anyway?

16 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:03:08pm

OT: Man, It's frickin' old out there tonight..

17 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:03:17pm

re: #15 Gus 802

Not the Google thing. I know Murdoch was mumbling something about going to all payed content.

18 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:04:07pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

OT: Man, It's frickin' old out there tonight..

/not really OT, now is it?

19 Digital Display  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:04:42pm

Hi Lizards! Back from the Colts game..Wonderful day...We had so much fun..
Even when we got stuck for an hour in traffic getting out..Some guys yelled out to us..Park your car..We have a monster BBQ going on! We looked at each other and go..Hey why not? Pulled over and had a great time with what were before strangers...And now are friends...Wonderful fun day!
How is everyone tonight?

20 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:05:12pm

re: #13 brookly red

Would not the content of the story be more relevant than the number of hits?

Why would you think that? Fox News are the bad guys, we can just use the figures in anyway that serves the purpose...

21 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:05:15pm

re: #11 Gus 802
It's a boring story already. I thought this was going to be a couple or three day-er?
The European newspapers are really going to town with it... even in the heart of Copenhagen.

22 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:05:44pm

re: #13 brookly red

Would not the content of the story be more relevant than the number of hits?

I think it's pretty obvious that Fox News would be the leader in the US.

23 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:06:00pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout
Coldest winter in almost fourteen years.

24 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:06:20pm

re: #17 Gus 802

Not the Google thing. I know Murdoch was mumbling something about going to all payed content.

I'll save another fortune to put with the ones saved by avoiding Vegas and the stock market.

25 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:06:22pm

re: #21 tradewind

It's a boring story already. I thought this was going to be a couple or three day-er?
The European newspapers are really going to town with it... even in the heart of Copenhagen.

I don't know why, there's nothing to the story, I mean, why are they wasting all that time covering a whole bunch of nothing?

26 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:07:03pm

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

Why would you think that? Fox News are the bad guys, we can just use the figures in anyway that serves the purpose...

It's just a fact -- Fox News is relentlessly pimping this story, on every show they air. Far more than any other news outlet.

27 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:07:16pm

re: #22 Gus 802
Yeah, because Fox made this one up out of whole cloth. They are so evil!
No wonder the WH went full bore attack all over them. They're dangerous and a threat to national security.///

28 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:07:23pm

re: #20 Walter L. Newton

Why would you think that? Fox News are the bad guys, we can just use the figures in anyway that serves the purpose...

well I just thought that what was being said about an issue was more important than how often it was sa... oh, never mind.

29 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:07:31pm

re: #26 Charles

It's just a fact -- Fox News is relentlessly pimping this story, on every show they air. Far more than any other news outlet.

I don't know, I don't watch Fox.

30 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:08:10pm

Ot - movie time...

31 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:08:12pm

re: #27 tradewind

Yeah, because Fox made this one up out of whole cloth. They are so evil!
No wonder the WH went full bore attack all over them. They're dangerous and a threat to national security.///

That's just the way things go. On a side note I did check and CBS was the first of "the big three" to break the story.

32 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:10:31pm

re: #22 Gus 802

I think it's pretty obvious that Fox News would be the leader in the US.

wah? If 2 sites have the same story & more people go to one site than the other than 1 site is just more popular, no?

33 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:10:33pm

re: #25 Walter L. Newton
They love nothing. Nothing sells. Nothing is such great news because it's just so malleable. Nothing means no facts to check, and no way to get called on inaccuracies. Nothing is the new Something. Kind of like Nobodies are the new Somebodies.

34 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:10:40pm

re: #21 tradewind

It's a boring story already. I thought this was going to be a couple or three day-er?
The European newspapers are really going to town with it... even in the heart of Copenhagen.

heh...not hardly...this beast is just getting warmed up, just wait, it will become far more contentious

35 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:10:44pm

Uh-oh. Expect the deniers to claim that Sinclair won't be persuading anyone with this video because the word "anus" is used.

"Why can't those corrupt, dishonest, bought-and-paid-for, Gore worshipping, AGW religious fanatic, cult member scientists be civil in this debate?"

///

36 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:11:09pm

It is a given that the lazy, superficial and biased hacks and pundits on the MSM distort what they report.

This is another good example.

37 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:11:48pm

re: #34 albusteve
No, really, it's a nothing. No legs. Crawls on its belly like a reptile...
:)

38 jayzee  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:12:45pm

It isn't just Fox though it's getting a lot of play on their editorial shows. I think all should be covering this. Talking about what the issues and/or non issues are. re: #11 Gus 802

I go by number of hits. Obviously Fox News would pimp up "Climategate" because that's what their audience wants to hear. CBS did do a couple of things but far less. Of course this would be a bigger story in the UK since it did originate from the UK.

I think it's a bigger issues in the UK because the Europeans have been force fed a diet of apocalyptic scenarios and are forced to pay dearly for adopting a green policy which hasn't helped control emissions at all. Again, instead of science providing solutions we are looking at political solutions the results of which does not mean a reduction in CO2 emissions globally, but merely a stabilization in certain countries with an overall global increase. It is a global redistribution of wealth.
[Link: www.eia.doe.gov...]

39 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:13:06pm

re: #36 Bagua

It is a given that the lazy, superficial and biased hacks and pundits on the MSM distort what they report.

This is another good example.

I hate the MSM with a passion...if hate were a country...etc

40 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:13:15pm

re: #35 Bloodnok
Why the onus with anus?

41 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:13:43pm

re: #32 brookly red

wah? If 2 sites have the same story & more people go to one site than the other than 1 site is just more popular, no?

I don't get it. I thought you wanted Fox News to prop this story up? What I'm saying is that this is the MO of Fox News. Go to the Fox News website and it's on the front page again. Go to CBS and it's hidden somewhere.

42 webevintage  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:13:55pm

re: #7 Charles

Notice that I'm staying away from the story. Why? Because I no longer have a single atom of trust in the right wing's phony scandals, and I'm quite certain there's much more to that story.

Isn't this more about lying to investigators then what happened to the guy they caught?

43 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:15:20pm

re: #34 albusteve

heh...not hardly...this beast is just getting warmed up, just wait, it will become far more contentious

the mother of all non-stories?

44 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:15:36pm

re: #41 Gus 802
Outta sight, outta mind.

45 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:15:58pm

re: #38 jayzee

It isn't just Fox though it's getting a lot of play on their editorial shows. I think all should be covering this. Talking about what the issues and/or non issues are.

I think it's a bigger issues in the UK because the Europeans have been force fed a diet of apocalyptic scenarios and are forced to pay dearly for adopting a green policy which hasn't helped control emissions at all. Again, instead of science providing solutions we are looking at political solutions the results of which does not mean a reduction in CO2 emissions globally, but merely a stabilization in certain countries with an overall global increase. It is a global redistribution of wealth.
[Link: www.eia.doe.gov...]

who knew a tasteless, odorless, natural gas would become so valuable

46 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:16:31pm

re: #43 brookly red

the mother of all non-stories?

so far...what's a cubit?

47 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:17:10pm

re: #38 jayzee
India's screwing that pooch... they just said nope, not gonna sign.

48 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:18:09pm

Yep, that's right. It's a big nothing. The fact that right wing news sources are doing their best to convince people that it's really something important doesn't change its essential nature. It's a phony scandal.

The silliness will run its course, and enter the lexicon of the climate change deniers, who will simply ignore all the debunking and endlessly repeat the lies. And it won't be the first time.

If you're letting yourself be fooled by the nonsense, shame on you. I've been posting a lot of information showing you how incredibly dishonest and underhanded the tactics of these people are, and you have only yourself to blame if you accept their word anyway.

49 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:18:20pm

re: #46 albusteve

so far...what's a cubit?

Building an ark? Try to get all the animals this time.

50 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:18:49pm

re: #41 Gus 802

I don't get it. I thought you wanted Fox News to prop this story up? What I'm saying is that this is the MO of Fox News. Go to the Fox News website and it's on the front page again. Go to CBS and it's hidden somewhere.

Why would you think that? It is just a story. How many people choose to read it or not is well, like their choice?

51 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:19:15pm

re: #34 albusteve
Warmed up?
LOL.

52 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:19:58pm

re: #46 albusteve

so far...what's a cubit?

from the tip of the middle finger to the elbow last i checked...

53 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:20:02pm

I'm liking the smooth technojazz background.

It was odd to see people parroting the out-of-context quotes from the emails so quickly, and to apparently not feel any sense of responsibility of verifying the context before doing so. That happened even on here.

54 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:20:40pm

re: #48 Charles

They'll forget about it in the next week or two. There are rumblings of a new ACORN scandal. Maybe Michelle will wear an ugly dress or Obama will order a pizza with the wrong toppings.

55 jayzee  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:20:56pm

re: #47 tradewind

India's screwing that pooch... they just said nope, not gonna sign.

I believe that we won't control carbon emissions globally until somebody invents something that can scrub emissions of carbon cheap. Until then, it won't happen.

56 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:21:30pm

re: #47 tradewind

India's screwing that pooch... they just said nope, not gonna sign.

well not completely, they did say they would sign something lesser if the price was right.

57 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:22:16pm

re: #48 Charles

Yep, that's right. It's a big nothing. The fact that right wing news sources are doing their best to convince people that it's really something important doesn't change its essential nature. It's a phony scandal.

The silliness will run its course, and enter the lexicon of the climate change deniers, who will simply ignore all the debunking and endlessly repeat the lies. And it won't be the first time.

If you're letting yourself be fooled by the nonsense, shame on you. I've been posting a lot of information showing you how incredibly dishonest and underhanded the tactics of these people are, and you have only yourself to blame if you accept their word anyway.

you have done one hell of a job in the last two years exposing and debunking...but this is beyond bloggers or even govts right now...it's out of control...the controversy will decide public office and states positions on taxes, wealth, production and solutions to the problem...it's pretty big

58 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:23:01pm

re: #55 jayzee

I believe that we won't control carbon emissions globally until somebody invents something that can scrub emissions of carbon cheap. Until then, it won't happen.

/I got it! I call it a tree, can I patent it?

59 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:23:16pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

They'll forget about it in the next week or two. There are rumblings of a new ACORN scandal. Maybe Michelle will wear an ugly dress or Obama will order a pizza with the wrong toppings.

Hey, whatever happened with those "plagiarized" paintings?

Or the school indoctrination? Did Obama just stop brainwashing children?

60 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:23:34pm

God. Fuck these newscasters. Fuck them and their fake outrage and their open, sneering attacks on scientists.

Jesus christ, if there was ever a time in human history we needed scientists, it's now.

I don't watch the news, so stuff like this is pretty much my only exposure to the broadcast news. This is astonishingly obviously anti-scientist.

61 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:23:58pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

They'll forget about it in the next week or two. There are rumblings of a new ACORN scandal. Maybe Michelle will wear an ugly dress or Obama will order a pizza with the wrong toppings.

Oh no, not freaking pineapple!

62 jayzee  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:24:24pm

re: #56 brookly red

well not completely, they did say they would sign something lesser if the price was right.

and China? Russia? The ME? What about Africa when they decide to industrialize?

63 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:24:44pm

re: #61 brookly red

Oh no, not freaking pineapple!

pineapple!
obviously BO hates Italians

64 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:24:45pm

re: #50 brookly red

Why would you think that? It is just a story. How many people choose to read it or not is well, like their choice?

If that's the case then people can already read about it if they wish. News organizations are under no obligation to pursue this story to the degree of Fox News. Fox News will promote this story because criticizing AGW and Copenhagen is by default a critique of Democrats, liberals, and the president. Fox News is in the line of work since they are the de facto right-wing news outlet in America.

65 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:25:18pm

re: #62 jayzee

and China? Russia? The ME? What about Africa when they decide to industrialize?

they have their hands out too...

66 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:25:29pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

All you have to do is go back to Hannity and Colmes during the trial of a couple of border agents to see they are running the same playbook over there.

Two border agents shot a drugs runner and were brought up on charges - cue the out cry about "protecting our borders hamstrung by the courts".
What Hannity never volunteered was that the guys were on conspiracy/falsification charges.

It is exactly the same playbook to get exactly the same people ginned up.

67 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:25:55pm

re: #59 Charles

Hey, whatever happened with those "plagiarized" paintings?

Or the school indoctrination? Did Obama just stop brainwashing children?

What happened to that crazy woman that found William Ayers at the airport and they went on and on about how he was the ghost writer for Obama?

68 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:26:21pm

re: #65 brookly red

they have their hands out too...

Climategate!
"what's in it for me?"

69 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:27:00pm

re: #59 Charles

Hey, whatever happened with those "plagiarized" paintings?

Or the school indoctrination? Did Obama just stop brainwashing children?

There are so many fake outrageoscandals that I can't keep track of them. I'd forgotten about the 'plagiarized painting' one. Maybe because it makes no goddamn sense at all.

Hell, the piece of art I bought for my parents last Friday night was a charcoal-and-ink drawing done from a daguerreotype. But... that's plagiarism! She used a picture and just copied it!

Sigh.

70 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:28:08pm

re: #67 Gus 802

What happened to that crazy woman that found William Ayers at the airport and they went on and on about how he was the ghost writer for Obama?

Heh.

I'm thinking of doing a post about the endless flood of phony right wing scandals. I have a list already, but if you remember a particular nontroversy, please post it here and I'll hat tip ya when I write the post.

71 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:28:25pm

re: #67 Gus 802

What happened to that crazy woman that found William Ayers at the airport and they went on and on about how he was the ghost writer for Obama?

I'd like to know more about that White House garden myself. The whole story has not been told!

72 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:29:07pm

re: #70 Charles

two words -:


Flag pin.
73 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:29:22pm

re: #71 Bloodnok

I'd like to know more about that White House garden myself. The whole story has not been told!

COMMIE CARROTS!
kill 'em all!
ahahaha!

74 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:29:55pm

re: #59 Charles

Hey, whatever happened with those "plagiarized" paintings?

Ward Churchill's faux "Native American" art?

75 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:30:11pm

re: #64 Gus 802

If that's the case then people can already read about it if they wish. News organizations are under no obligation to pursue this story to the degree of Fox News. Fox News will promote this story because criticizing AGW and Copenhagen is by default a critique of Democrats, liberals, and the president. Fox News is in the line of work since they are the de facto right-wing news outlet in America.

True. And CBS will hide it's cause they are a left wing outlet, & there is nothing wrong with that. It is just marketing.

76 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:30:17pm

re: #71 Bloodnok

The seed of that story was planted in the right wing media and grew organically...

77 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:30:24pm

re: #70 Charles

Heh.

I'm thinking of doing a post about the endless flood of phony right wing scandals. I have a list already, but if you remember a particular nontroversy, please post it here and I'll hat tip ya when I write the post.

Pirategate was another. If you remember that whole event was a non-starter and included some fake email from someone claiming to have a conversation with Navy SEALS. Everyone was predicting failure and in the end the crew of the MAERSK were recovered safely. However, that didn't stop the Monday morning quarterbacking.

78 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:31:01pm

re: #74 Alouette

I think it was about some rant of Malkin's about a picture the President chose to hang in the white house.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:31:38pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

I'm also a little disturbed by the knee jerk reaction supporting the Navy Seals who are being brought up on charges. We really don't have many facts yet. Would Lindy England have gotten the same support if Obama was President?

This is a very different kind of case, but yes, at least in some quarters. Pam Geller probably thinks Lynndie England is an American heroine.

80 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:31:49pm

re: #70 Charles

I remember being shocked when McLaughlin called Michelle Obama a militant.

She's just tall, John

81 jayzee  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:32:01pm

re: #65 brookly red

they have their hands out too...

China is pledging to cut per GDP! That is not a cut.
[Link: globalnation.inquirer.net...]

So too India
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

82 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:32:09pm

re: #77 Gus 802

Visited dieing grandmother for political purposes.

83 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:32:17pm

re: #75 brookly red

True. And CBS will hide it's cause they are a left wing outlet, & there is nothing wrong with that. It is just marketing.

Yep. Something like that. Dan Rather and Walter Cronkite not withstanding CBS has sometimes leaned more towards the middle. That's why they also carry shows like NCIS.

84 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:32:24pm

Flygate springs to mind. (Swatting of)

85 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:35:00pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

Visited dieing grandmother for political purposes.

There were actually some right wing blogs who claimed Obama killed his grandmother. I think the shrieking harpy might have been one of them.

86 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:37:53pm

re: #70 Charles

Heh.

I'm thinking of doing a post about the endless flood of phony right wing scandals. I have a list already, but if you remember a particular nontroversy, please post it here and I'll hat tip ya when I write the post.

The one about him supposedly not putting his hand over his heart for the national anthem!

87 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:38:14pm

re: #85 Charles

There were actually some right wing blogs who claimed Obama killed his grandmother. I think the shrieking harpy might have been one of them.

He's not a Kenyan, he's a Medici.

88 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:39:43pm

re: #86 WindUpBird

The one about him supposedly not putting his hand over his heart for the national anthem!

that one is true...you have not seen the pics of him holding his cajones instead?

89 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:39:55pm

re: #70 Charles

Heh.

I'm thinking of doing a post about the endless flood of phony right wing scandals. I have a list already, but if you remember a particular nontroversy, please post it here and I'll hat tip ya when I write the post.

Michelle Obama's "Black Widow Spider" dress on Election night.

90 avanti  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:40:09pm

re: #23 tradewind

Coldest winter in almost fourteen years.

Depends on where you are.

91 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:40:10pm

re: #83 Gus 802

Yep. Something like that. Dan Rather and Walter Cronkite not withstanding CBS has sometimes leaned more towards the middle. That's why they also carry shows like NCIS.

I do prefer the European model, you can by the workers news, the green news, the conservative news etc. the notion that any new outlet is unbiased is bull shit.

92 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:40:16pm

Nobel Peace Prizegate
Pizzagate
Flygate
Gardengate
Dressgate (numerous)
Pirategate
Climategate (by default)
Foxnewsgate
Icecreamgate
Limogate (numerous)
Forthoodgate
Sleevelessgate
Bowgate (two)

93 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:40:28pm

Are we talking about things that happened that were distorted/overblown/manipulated, or outright lies?

If we are doing lies: Obama being sworn in with the Quran.

94 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:40:45pm

Holdren
Temperature in the Oval Office
Wednesday Night Parties
Arugula
Bo the dog
"Sweetie"
Obama's Blackberry
Obama the Hypnotist!

That's just in about 3 minutes and leaves out the more obvious ones. I can't believe there are this many.

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:40:54pm

Another good Obama nontroversy: Git ready for Muh-muh-muh-MUSTARDGATE. *thunder crashes*

96 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:41:05pm

re: #93 Soap_Man

Well, I guess their all lies in their own special way...

97 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:41:19pm

re: #94 Bloodnok

Holdren
Temperature in the Oval Office
Wednesday Night Parties
Arugula
Bo the dog
"Sweetie"
Obama's Blackberry
Obama the Hypnotist!

That's just in about 3 minutes and leaves out the more obvious ones. I can't believe there are this many.

Indoctrination!

98 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:41:33pm

re: #89 Alouette

Michelle Obama's "Black Widow Spider" dress on Election night.

Whoa..I have Kool Aid with every meal, and that was an ugly dress.

99 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:41:40pm

re: #90 avanti

Depends on where you are.

most things do...post record warm temps this next month when they pour in...thanks

100 avanti  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:42:15pm

Climate conference might have results after all.

link.

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:42:30pm

re: #78 wozzablog

I think it was about some rant of Malkin's about a picture the President chose to hang in the white house.

It was a piece by an African-American lady artist who took an abstract piece by Matisse and did a sort of riff on it, changing the colors and turning the perspective.

As far as I was concerned, it was slightly pretentious, and a touch dull, but I do not appreciate 'big-block-o-color' art.

Apparently as far as Michelle Obama was concerned, it was cool, and she hung it up on her office wall.

As far as Malkin was concerned, it was some kind of major scandal. Just why, she could not articulate, but a chunk of the wingbatosphere went slightly insane for several days over it.

My stance, then and now, is that if the Obamas want to decorate the private rooms of the White House with Thomas Kincade paintings, or kittens with balls of yarn or velvet paintings of Elvis, they should feel free. It is their house for the duration of their term(s), and they should feel at home.

102 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:42:31pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

Whoa..I have Kool Aid with every meal, and that was an ugly dress.

I thought that dress was AWESOME. But considering my lunatic taste in fashion, that's probably a tacit admission that it was ugly. 8-)

103 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:43:01pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

Whoa..I have Kool Aid with every meal, and that was an ugly dress.

Yeah. But they managed to turn it into a communist flag and the designer is Cuban. Well, not actually Cuban but American so that led to them connecting it to Castro's Cuba. Got pretty weird in some blogs.

104 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:43:24pm

re: #94 Bloodnok

Holdren
Temperature in the Oval Office
Wednesday Night Parties
Arugula
Bo the dog
"Sweetie"
Obama's Blackberry
Obama the Hypnotist!

That's just in about 3 minutes and leaves out the more obvious ones. I can't believe there are this many.

we need a poll...what's a Gate anyway?

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:43:40pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

Visited dieing grandmother for political purposes.

Truly a no-win situation. What if he had NOT visited his dying grandmother for political purposes?

106 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:44:05pm

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

upding for the concept of "velvet paintings of Elvis"... towards the end though - you would need a lot of Velvet

107 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:44:06pm

Charles, if you are going to do a list of "phony right wing scandals," I'm not sure it will fit in a single post. You might have to do a week-long series. :)

108 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:44:29pm

re: #104 albusteve

something that leads into a garden - but thats not important right now...

109 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:44:35pm

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

It was a piece by an African-American lady artist who took an abstract piece by Matisse and did a sort of riff on it, changing the colors and turning the perspective.

As far as I was concerned, it was slightly pretentious, and a touch dull, but I do not appreciate 'big-block-o-color' art.

Apparently as far as Michelle Obama was concerned, it was cool, and she hung it up on her office wall.

As far as Malkin was concerned, it was some kind of major scandal. Just why, she could not articulate, but a chunk of the wingbatosphere went slightly insane for several days over it.

My stance, then and now, is that if the Obamas want to decorate the private rooms of the White House with Thomas Kincade paintings, or kittens with balls of yarn or velvet paintings of Elvis, they should feel free. It is their house for the duration of their term(s), and they should feel at home.

If Obama started decorating the White House with Thomas (TEH PAINTER OF LIGHT) Kincade, that's grounds for impeachment as far as I'm concerned :D

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:44:39pm

re: #93 Soap_Man

Are we talking about things that happened that were distorted/overblown/manipulated, or outright lies?

If we are doing lies: Obama being sworn in with the Quran.

I got into a hot fight with some online people when Keith Ellison actually was.

111 Bob Dillon  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:45:20pm

re: #88 albusteve

that one is true...you have not seen the pics of him holding his cajones instead?

There is another photo/email circulating that shows everyone else saluting and Prez Obama standing there. Only thing was, Hail To The Chief was playing.

112 researchok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:45:44pm

One of the problems has been the incredible naivete of the climate scientists and their oblivion to political realities. Notwithstanding their quality work, their behavior was foolish.

They should have known that they and their work needed to be beyond reproach. They should have known that they had to be careful and open because even the appearance of a problem or the appearance of anything less than perfect on paper would be fodder for critics who care more about a political agenda than they do science.

Science has seen it's fair share of scandal in recent years, some of which has been spectacular. From phony claims of cloning to incredible Schon scandal This isn't new and it will surely happen again.

The AGW science is solid. The behavior of the scientists has been less so. The climate scientists would do well to behave more professionally and less like informal college students or academic lightweights.

The science AGW isn't the problem. The less than professional behavior of the scientific researchers has been the real issue.

113 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:45:45pm

re: #94 Bloodnok

Holdren
Temperature in the Oval Office
Wednesday Night Parties
Arugula
Bo the dog
"Sweetie"
Obama's Blackberry
Obama the Hypnotist!

That's just in about 3 minutes and leaves out the more obvious ones. I can't believe there are this many.

Michelle hugs the Queen
Presidential gift to the Prime Minister of the UK: DVD set in North American format
Obama bows to the King of Saud

114 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:46:16pm

re: #111 Bobibutu

There is another photo/email circulating that shows everyone else saluting and Prez Obama standing there. Only thing was, Hail To The Chief was playing.

in that case, cajone holding is required

115 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:46:32pm

re: #92 Gus 802

Nobel Peace Prizegate
Pizzagate
Flygate
Gardengate
Dressgate (numerous)
Pirategate
Climategate (by default)
Foxnewsgate
Icecreamgate
Limogate (numerous)
Forthoodgate
Sleevelessgate
Bowgate (two)

Ah, forgot "NYC Date Night".

116 avanti  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:46:43pm

re: #95 WindUpBird

Another good Obama nontroversy: Git ready for Muh-muh-muh-MUSTARDGATE. *thunder crashes*

The big one going around this week are the "child porn" books recommended for ages grades 7-12 by the schools czar.// One about families talks about one family with two daddies and a cat.

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:46:44pm

re: #109 WindUpBird

If Obama started decorating the White House with Thomas (TEH PAINTER OF LIGHT) Kincade, that's grounds for impeachment as far as I'm concerned :D

My SIL is big into that stuff. I was just thinking of things I thought Chicago yuppies would rather die than hang on their walls.

118 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:47:19pm

re: #115 Bloodnok

Ah, forgot "NYC Date Night".

I think they turned West Point into a controversy. Not so much but it was there.

119 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:47:29pm

re: #109 WindUpBird

If Obama started decorating the White House with Thomas (TEH PAINTER OF LIGHT) Kincade, that's grounds for impeachment as far as I'm concerned :D

The most depressing thing about Monterey is that along Cannery Row there is not only a huge Thomas Kincaid gallery, but also some goddamn Kincaid museum or archive or some damn crap.

120 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:47:31pm

re: #70 Charles

Heh.

I'm thinking of doing a post about the endless flood of phony right wing scandals. I have a list already, but if you remember a particular nontroversy, please post it here and I'll hat tip ya when I write the post.

Start at the beginning
Clinton's assassination of Vince Foster
All the allegations from the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth.

121 Cheechako  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:47:37pm

re: #100 avanti

Climate conference might have results after all.

link.


More than 100 heads of state and government have said they will attend the last day or two, making Copenhagen the largest and most important summit ever held on climate.


That has got to be a tempting target for terrorists.

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:47:45pm

re: #116 avanti

The big one going around this week are the "child porn" books recommended for ages grades 7-12 by the schools czar.// One about families talks about one family with two daddies and a cat.

I am going go out on a limb here to assume that the two daddies don't have sex with one another or the cat in the pages of this book?

123 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:47:59pm

re: #115 Bloodnok

Ah, forgot "NYC Date Night".

Air Force One buzzes Manhattan!

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:48:14pm

re: #118 Gus 802

I think they turned West Point into a controversy. Not so much but it was there.

Giving the graduation speech at Notre Dame...

125 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:48:28pm

re: #123 Alouette

Air Force One buzzes Manhattan!

That was a big one.

Then there was the Special Olympics faux pas.

126 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:48:30pm

re: #118 Gus 802

I think they turned West Point into a controversy. Not so much but it was there.

so somebody posts a slur on any subject and it's a Gate?...you need a higher bar...fun tho eh?

127 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:48:43pm

re: #70 Charles

Checking the rear of the underage girl on the step(photogate)...

128 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:48:50pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

Giving the graduation speech at Notre Dame...

That was another big one.

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:48:58pm

re: #119 Obdicut

The most depressing thing about Monterey is that along Cannery Row there is not only a huge Thomas Kincaid gallery, but also some goddamn Kincaid museum or archive or some damn crap.

Cannery Row. Home to Steinbeck and Kincaid. From the sublime to the extremely kitschy.

//I kind of like them both, though.

130 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:48:58pm

re: #123 Alouette

Air Force One buzzes Manhattan!

Don't think we can score true brainlocked screwups.

131 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:49:43pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

Giving the graduation speech at Notre Dame...

Greek columns! RUN!

132 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:49:44pm

That McCain ad that he wanted to teach sex ed to kindergarteners (with malicious music and a b&w photo of Obama with a particular creepy smile.)

133 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:50:01pm

re: #125 Gus 802

That was a big one.

Then there was the Special Olympics faux pas.

OK, that he deserved some flak for. I was disappointed that he didn't take up any of the Special Olympics bowlers on their offers of a match, or, in one case, lessons.

134 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:50:24pm

re: #130 Decatur Deb

Don't think we can score true brainlocked screwups.

That did cause quite a stir, as in, screaming frenzied people panic in the streets.

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:50:39pm

re: #127 wozzablog

Checking the rear of the underage girl on the step(photogate)...

My dad (lifelong Democrat, Obama primary voter) was quite upset by that one until he saw the video context.

136 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:50:46pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, that he deserved some flak for. I was disappointed that he didn't take up any of the Special Olympics bowlers on their offers of a match, or, in one case, lessons.

Yep. Was that before or after the election?

137 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:51:01pm

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, that he deserved some flak for. I was disappointed that he didn't take up any of the Special Olympics bowlers on their offers of a match, or, in one case, lessons.

they can't drink beer or shoot threes, one or the other

138 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:51:38pm

re: #70 Charles


I'm thinking of doing a post about the endless flood of phony right wing scandals. I have a list already, but if you remember a particular nontroversy, please post it here and I'll hat tip ya when I write the post.


Excellent idea They come and go so fast I'm sure we've already forgotten most of them.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:51:49pm

re: #136 Gus 802

Yep. Was that before or after the election?

After, I believe.

140 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:51:56pm

re: #126 albusteve

so somebody posts a slur on any subject and it's a Gate?...you need a higher bar...fun tho eh?

Let's see Steve. Didn't I say "not so much but it was there." Fact remains. They got their knickers in a twist about that speech.

141 Kruk  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:52:24pm

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist


As far as Malkin was concerned, it was some kind of major scandal. Just why, she could not articulate, but a chunk of the wingbatosphere went slightly insane for several days over it.

Malkin claimed it was plagarising the work of the original artist (even though the lady had cited her source and that kind of play on others' work is common in all forms of art- think "Pride And Prejudice And Zombies" or Ronan Keating redoing the Belinda Carlisle aong "Time After Time".) It fed the meme of the African-American ripping off and exploiting the hard work of others, so naturally the wingnuts ran with it.

142 rurality  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:52:44pm

re: #70 Charles

Arugula, THE bow, Michelle touching the queen...

143 avanti  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:53:10pm

re: #127 wozzablog

Checking the rear of the underage girl on the step(photogate)...

When in fact he was helping her step up, but the French guy was really checking her out. Don't forget PirateGate too.

144 jayzee  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:53:21pm

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

My dad (lifelong Democrat, Obama primary voter) was quite upset by that one until he saw the video context.

I still think he peaked, and Sarkozy DEFINITELY did.

145 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:53:51pm

Trying to paint ACORN as Obama's private army is definitely fake.

146 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:54:04pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Excellent idea They come and go so fast I'm sure we've already forgotten most of them.

they are all forgettable...shit comes and goes and it's nothing new

147 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:54:09pm

re: #144 jayzee

I still think he peaked, and Sarkozy DEFINITELY did.

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

/discount tents

148 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:54:20pm

Wow, I think we covered most of them pretty quickly. I keep thinking about something that wasn't a scandal but should have been. At the beer summit, he drank Miller Lite. He's the president, he can have any beer in the world and he picks Miller Lite! (I'm a beer snob)

(sort of)

149 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:54:38pm

re: #140 Gus 802

Let's see Steve. Didn't I say "not so much but it was there." Fact remains. They got their knickers in a twist about that speech.

whoa...GATE!


gimme a break

150 political lunatic  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:54:50pm

Obama-looks-back-to-get-a-peek-at-a-woman's-butt-gate?

151 jayzee  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:54:55pm

re: #145 Conservative Moonbat

Trying to paint ACORN as Obama's private army is definitely fake.

If we're going over fake presidential "gate" like things, why not one topical? Bush was responsible for global warming and hurricanes in particular.

152 Kruk  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:54:56pm

re: #144 jayzee

I still think he peaked, and Sarkozy DEFINITELY did.

Sarkozy did, alright. I don't think Carla would have been very happy with hubby.

153 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:55:17pm

re: #149 albusteve

whoa...GATE!

gimme a break

Dude, it was a flying observation. Relax will you. I posted the list of lists already.

155 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:55:33pm

re: #149 albusteve

whoa...GATE!


gimme a break

national debt-gate?

156 Racer X  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:56:09pm

re: #60 Obdicut

God. Fuck these newscasters. Fuck them and their fake outrage and their open, sneering attacks on scientists.

Jesus christ, if there was ever a time in human history we needed scientists, it's now.

I don't watch the news, so stuff like this is pretty much my only exposure to the broadcast news. This is astonishingly obviously anti-scientist.

Wait - I thought it was Right Wing blogs pimping this phony scandal. You mean The Media™ is complicit as well?

157 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:56:23pm

Closing all the Republican Car Dealerships
Using Tarp to nationalize the banks
Outlawing criticism of stimulus spending

158 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:56:31pm

re: #153 Gus 802

Dude, it was a flying observation. Relax will you. I posted the list of lists already.

this is becoming way too juvenile...fun tho eh?...you have your own Gategate!...ahahaha!

159 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:56:40pm

re: #154 recusancy

Dem Plans Would Create 'Health Care Gulag' - Gate / Death Panels etc...

I single handedly stopped some porn watching, loud talking, fully garbed, muslim terrorists on a dry run - gate.

Yeah, then there are the far out "gates."

Eugenics
Marxism
Maoism
Death Panels
FEMA Camps

160 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:56:42pm

re: #151 jayzee

If we're going over fake presidential "gate" like things, why not one topical? Bush was responsible for global warming and hurricanes in particular.

I don't follow. The causes of climate change go back to the industrial revolution.

Bush showed poor leadership during Katrina. Is that what you're getting at?

161 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:56:51pm

re: #120 Conservative Moonbat

Start at the beginning
Clinton's assassination of Vince Foster
All the allegations from the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth.

Those are past thier use-by date. Otherwise I 'd be reaching for the most putrid political stunt of the centrury--attacking Max Cleland's service

162 Bob Dillon  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:56:54pm

re: #114 albusteve

in that case, cajone holding is required

Alas - I'm only allowed one up-ding.

163 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:56:59pm

Lipstick-on-a-pig-gate.

164 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:57:01pm

Obama's half brother in Kenya
Obama's aunt in Boston (immigration proceedings)
Middle finger during the debates
Shirtless photos
"I won"

165 Stanghazi  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:57:15pm

Rush Limbaugh comparing the healthcare reform logo to the nazi symbol.

166 avanti  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:57:37pm

re: #152 Kruk

Sarkozy did, alright. I don't think Carla would have been very happy with hubby.

Here's the video proof of
Sarkozy's glance.

167 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:57:53pm

re: #157 Killgore Trout

Closing all the Republican Car Dealerships
Using Tarp to nationalize the banks
Outlawing criticism of stimulus spending

Oh, the Clunkers website stealing ur informashun.

168 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:57:57pm

re: #158 albusteve

this is becoming way too juvenile...fun tho eh?...you have your own Gategate!...ahahaha!

albustevegate

/

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:58:09pm

re: #154 recusancy

Dem Plans Would Create 'Health Care Gulag' - Gate / Death Panels etc...

I single handedly stopped some porn watching, loud talking, fully garbed, muslim terrorists on a dry run - gate.

Ah, yes the man who stopped the porn-watching Arab terrorists who turned out to be Spanish-speaking tourists.

AFAIK, Debbie Schlussel still has that nonsense up as CONFIRMED on her website.

170 political lunatic  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:58:38pm

Bill Ayersgate?
Churchgate?

171 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:58:57pm

Gus 802

Nobel Peace Prizegate
Pizzagate
Flygate
Gardengate
Dressgate (numerous)
Pirategate
Climategate (by default)
Foxnewsgate
Icecreamgate
Limogate (numerous)
Forthoodgate
Sleevelessgate
Bowgate (two)


re: #92 re: #115 Bloodnok

Ah, forgot "NYC Date Night".

Wow. Looking at this list (and some of the others mentioned) - really brings home how much nothing there is to these things.

There are things about this administration I don't like, but again, looking at this list of things people got all squawky about - there really is not anything there.

172 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:59:12pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

Those are past thier use-by date. Otherwise I 'd be reaching for the most putrid political stunt of the centrury--attacking Max Cleland's service

That belongs in a category of it's own putridity.

173 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:59:13pm

re: #160 Conservative Moonbat

I don't follow. The causes of climate change go back to the industrial revolution.

Bush showed poor leadership during Katrina. Is that what you're getting at?

clearly the busses were his jurisdiction...as was the water supply at the Dome

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:59:37pm

re: #166 avanti

Here's the video proof of
Sarkozy's glance.

I must admit, the young woman has an extremely nice behind.

175 Kruk  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 6:59:59pm

Stargate gate. Obama's from another planet, and his overlords have established their foothold under Cheyenne Mountain.

(Okay, we haven't heard that yet, but give it time.)

176 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:00:46pm

re: #171 reine.de.tout

Gus 802

Wow. Looking at this list (and some of the others mentioned) - really brings home how much nothing there is to these things.

There are things about this administration I don't like, but again, looking at this list of things people got all squawky about - there really is not anything there.


agreed X 2

177 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:00:46pm

re: #171 reine.de.tout

Gus 802

Wow. Looking at this list (and some of the others mentioned) - really brings home how much nothing there is to these things.

There are things about this administration I don't like, but again, looking at this list of things people got all squawky about - there really is not anything there.

Yes. The only one I was going to include, but didn't because it did bother me a little was deciding to be the first president in however many years to decline to attend the Medal of Honor recipients ball at the inauguration. But even that's not a huge deal.

178 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:00:49pm

re: #170 political lunatic

Bill Ayersgate?
Churchgate?

Rev Wright was a legit scandal. Ayers was a bit overblown.

179 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:00:58pm

re: #164 Bloodnok

Obama's half brother in Kenya
Obama's aunt in Boston (immigration proceedings)
Middle finger during the debates
Shirtless photos
"I won"

Now, Nok - the middle finger thing - that was real!
/

180 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:00:59pm

re: #171 reine.de.tout

Gus 802


Wow. Looking at this list (and some of the others mentioned) - really brings home how much nothing there is to these things.

There are things about this administration I don't like, but again, looking at this list of things people got all squawky about - there really is not anything there.

yeah, I wish people would look at the real issues, but it is what it is.

181 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:01:01pm

Chinese Flag on the Southlawngate

/Never happened in the end.

182 Racer X  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:01:09pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Excellent idea They come and go so fast I'm sure we've already forgotten most of them.

Be nice if we continued to forget about them. They were mostly absurd.

183 Kruk  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:01:35pm

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

I must admit, the young woman has an extremely nice behind.

I wonder if she's mortified or flattered by all the attention?

184 Stanghazi  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:02:16pm

And to think I've missed some of these -gates. I thought I read too much online, guess not.

185 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:02:33pm

re: #155 brookly red

national debt-gate?

Jobs created or saved gate?

186 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:02:44pm

re: #177 Bloodnok

Yes. The only one I was going to include, but didn't because it did bother me a little was deciding to be the first president in however many years to decline to attend the Medal of Honor recipients ball at the inauguration. But even that's not a huge deal.

I may think that was a bigger deal than you think it was - but it still was not anything worth more than a passing mention.

187 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:02:50pm

re: #180 brookly red

yeah, I wish people would look at the real issues, but it is what it is.

so people here are deciding this marginal stuff are real issues?...giving credit to the very people they despise?

188 political lunatic  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:03:19pm

NewWorldOrdergate

189 Racer X  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:03:24pm

Katrinagate!

.. no, wait.

190 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:03:31pm

re: #185 Alouette

Jobs created or saved gate?

wait till the Bush tax cuts expire - gate.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:03:32pm

re: #183 Kruk

I wonder if she's mortified or flattered by all the attention?

Apparently her father said something to press about at least Berlusconi wasn't there. Which I thought was hilarious, but if it had been my dad, I'd have been hacked.

192 avanti  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:03:42pm

re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist

I must admit, the young woman has an extremely nice behind.

And a normal age to ogle in both Europe and South America. I recall even here all the web sites waiting in anticipation of all the female stars 18th birthday so they could do their upskirt photos thing, kinda weird.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:03:59pm

re: #184 Stanley Sea

And to think I've missed some of these -gates. I thought I read too much online, guess not.

Gherkingate!

194 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:04:04pm

re: #187 albusteve

so people here are deciding this marginal stuff are real issues?...giving credit to the very people they despise?

I think the issue is that the sheer volume of trivial bullshit is an issue.

195 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:04:13pm

As always, Sinclair makes an excellent video presenting his opinions.

And while he is quite correct in pointing out the vacuity of the MSM pundits in seizing on “hide the decline” and assuming it related to the actual measured temperature, he nevertheless glosses over this issue.

If I’m not mistaken…

The “hide the decline” refers to the Tree Ring historical temperature reconstruction. That it goes out of wack during just over a third of the time that actual temperature measurements are available legitimately casts doubts on its accuracy during the 900 years that actual temperature measurements are unavailable. That it only matches a portion of the actual measure temperature records and the part that doesn’t fit is thrown out or altered to fit suggests curve fitting and worse, fabrication.

That they would apparently consider altering the data to hide the decline in temperature in the historical tree ring temperature proxy by either eliminating the portion that was divergent, as was done in AR4, or by interpolating actual temperature measurements as is suggested in the email, would in fact be extremely discrediting.

Please note that I am only suggesting this may be the case at this early date, a full analysis of the actual data and models, which the MET Office has committed to, will either confirm or falsify what I have suggested.

196 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:04:24pm

Cloward Piven is still alive and well, Beck brings it up almost every night.

197 Stanghazi  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:04:28pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Gherkingate!

Nooo!

198 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:04:38pm

high unemployment- gate.

199 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:05:02pm

re: #195 Bagua

That it only matches a portion of the actual measure temperature records and the part that doesn’t fit is thrown out or altered to fit suggests curve fitting and worse, fabrication.

Did you not listen to the reason given in the video, for some reason?

200 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:05:24pm

Acorn is coming for my .357.

201 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:05:31pm

re: #198 brookly red

inherited a tanking economy-gate

(oh...wait...)

202 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:05:49pm

re: #180 brookly red

yeah, I wish people would look at the real issues, but it is what it is.

There's plenty to be concerned about.
I have some concerns about some of the folks he has appointed to various jobs - but better, I think, to wait and see what actually happens, than to yell and scream and pull my hair out because I have issues with the past associations of some of these folks.

203 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:06:04pm

re: #181 Gus 802

Chinese Flag on the Southlawngate

/Never happened in the end.

Admit it. You cheated and just looked at Michelle Malkin's posts from the past 18 months.

/

204 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:06:08pm

re: #194 Conservative Moonbat

I think the issue is that the sheer volume of trivial bullshit is an issue.

only if you say it is...I don't...the legitimate criticism of the BO administration is overwhelming imo

205 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:06:31pm

re: #202 reine.de.tout

RINO

/

206 Racer X  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:06:33pm

Apologize FOR Americagate.

207 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:07:25pm

What about promising the kids a dog-gate?

208 Scriptorium  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:07:31pm

re: #92 Gus 802

Arugulagate. Prissy lettuce costs too much.

209 Kruk  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:07:39pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently her father said something to press about at least Berlusconi wasn't there. Which I thought was hilarious, but if it had been my dad, I'd have been hacked.

Bwahahaha! At least he sees the funny side of the situation.

210 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:08:18pm

stimulus-gate

211 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:08:29pm

re: #205 wozzablog

RINO

/

That's what I've been told.
LOL.
In not so nice terms.

212 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:08:30pm

Well, I think I completely detest the word 'gate' now...;)
/wordgate-gate

213 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:08:40pm

re: #203 Bloodnok

Admit it. You cheated and just looked at Michelle Malkin's posts from the past 18 months.

/

:) I actually just remembered that one. The JBS was pushing that one hard. Turned out to be some park nearby. But the blogs were up in arms.

214 political lunatic  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:08:47pm

America isn't a Christian nation-gate.

215 jayzee  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:09:00pm

re: #160 Conservative Moonbat

I don't follow. The causes of climate change go back to the industrial revolution.

Bush showed poor leadership during Katrina. Is that what you're getting at?

You're kidding right? BDS knew no bounds.

or this:
"The hurricane that struck Louisiana yesterday was nicknamed Katrina by the National Weather Service. Its real name is global warming."

216 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:09:04pm

re: #212 Varek Raith

Well, I think I completely detest the word 'gate' now...;)
/wordgate-gate

That reminds me!

The Iteration of the Word "I" Gate

217 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:09:20pm

re: #207 Floral Giraffe

What about promising the kids a dog-gate?

Wow!
You've hit on a biggie, there!
He got them their dog later than people thought he was going to do it!

218 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:09:25pm

Wordcountgate

See Ed Morrisey and George Will

219 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:09:28pm

Outrageously outrageous Obama related nontroversies... hmm...

What about Obama's Urban, Teenaged, Hitler Youth, Black Panther Private Military? Anyone mention that yet?

220 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:09:34pm

The hug, or was it a fist bump with Chavez?

221 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:09:51pm

re: #207 Floral Giraffe

Good one. Drudge was even pushing the theory that the White House vegetable garden was a hoax because it was producing vegetables too fast.

222 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:10:29pm

95% will get a tax cut - gate

223 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:10:43pm

re: #199 Obdicut

Did you not listen to the reason given in the video, for some reason?

I offered an alternative opinion.

224 Racer X  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:10:51pm

Cops acted stupidlygate., which led to beergate.

225 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:11:55pm

re: #224 Racer X

Cops acted stupidlygate., which led to beergate.

aka Gatesgate

226 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:12:08pm

that's not the ___ I knew -gate

227 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:12:09pm

re: #220 Floral Giraffe

the terrorist fist bump with his own wife...

228 Kruk  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:12:11pm

re: #220 Floral Giraffe

The hug, or was it a fist bump with Chavez?

And don't forget the original terrorist fist bump.

229 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:12:23pm

"I am an American. This is America. We don't have Czars in America."

/gate

230 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:12:46pm

Y'all unnrstand that most of these were true Demorat plans, dontcha, and that only the courageous show of force by our patriots of the Tea persuasion made them back down.

// I guess.

231 jim_beam  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:13:07pm

Can someone please explain to me when/why Phil Jones deleted his raw data? What kind of scientist deletes his raw data?

232 Kruk  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:13:20pm

re: #212 Varek Raith

Well, I think I completely detest the word 'gate' now...;)
/wordgate-gate

I wonder what will happen when we get a scandal involving water?

233 political lunatic  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:13:22pm

This is too much fun. Why is LGF the first one to attempt to chronicle all of this stupidity into one convenient CliffsNotes?

234 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:13:26pm

re: #229 Slumbering Behemoth

"I am an American. This is America. We don't have Czars in America."

/gate

Czargate
/commie version of Stargate...:P

235 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:13:30pm

What about when one of the kids wore a t-shirt and shorts and the Freepers called her a whore?

236 jayzee  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:13:49pm

re: #190 brookly red

wait till the Bush tax cuts expire - gate.

Even Roubini has concerns about the expiration of the tax cuts which will result in a tax increase for everyone that pays taxes in this country during a fragile recovery. Hence his concern about a W shaped recession. You all are throwing a lot of legitimate criticisms into the"gate" genre aint ya. Dare I say a fairly liberal use of the whole gate concept.

237 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:13:50pm

re: #231 jim_beam

Can someone please explain to me when/why Phil Jones deleted his raw data? What kind of scientist deletes his raw data?


Nothing was deleted.

238 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:14:05pm

I swear I just copied this from a Right Wing Site's must reads...
Obamacares 111 New Bureaucracies

239 rurality  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:14:19pm

Personal pronoun usage, clingate

240 brookly red  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:14:26pm

re: #231 jim_beam

Can someone please explain to me when/why Phil Jones deleted his raw data? What kind of scientist deletes his raw data?

/raw data- gate (get with the program)

241 Bloodnok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:14:29pm

re: #233 political lunatic

This is too much fun. Why is LGF the first one to attempt to chronicle all of this stupidity into one convenient CliffsNotes?

Because the far-rightosphere still thinks there's something to every one of these.

242 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:14:47pm

Being depicted on the side of Rockerfeller Centre heading a chariot driven by Mussolini...

243 albusteve  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:15:02pm

re: #233 political lunatic

This is too much fun. Why is LGF the first one to attempt to chronicle all of this stupidity into one convenient CliffsNotes?

because there is so little to it?

244 WindHorse  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:15:20pm

57-states-gate

245 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:15:39pm

re: #233 political lunatic

This is too much fun. Why is LGF the first one to attempt to chronicle all of this stupidity into one convenient CliffsNotes?

LGF is an anti-idotarian site. Exposing stupidity to cleansing light is what is done here.

246 jim_beam  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:15:47pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Can you send confirmation of that point? I am totally open to it, cuz this is the one thing that has bothered me about the Climate emails and whatnot...

247 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:15:59pm

re: #238 Floral Giraffe


Obamacares 111 New Bureaucracies


That's just 555 away from 666!
/Iyeee!

248 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:16:12pm

re: #241 Bloodnok

Because the far-rightosphere still thinks there's something to every one of these.

Sadly, I think you may be correct.
I feel almost like a traitor, here.
But honestly - all of these things listed - most are absolutely nothing, some perhaps warranted a passing mention, but none were worth a full out screaming hissy fit.

249 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:16:36pm

re: #234 Varek Raith

Funny, I'm sort of half-assed watching that show right now.

250 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:17:28pm

re: #246 jim_beam

Check the front page. Charles has been writing about this all week. I think a hard drive got wiped back in the early 80's but nothing has been lost or hidden.

251 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:17:33pm

re: #248 reine.de.tout

yet most of them seemed to warrant a full cycle on a national news network.

fair, balanced and unafraid.

252 Racer X  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:17:35pm

Telepromptergate!

253 jayzee  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:17:49pm

re: #235 Conservative Moonbat

What about when one of the kids wore a t-shirt and shorts and the Freepers called her a whore?

REALLY?

Aint hypocrisy great? When we allow certain horrible things to be said, but condemn it at other times? Why remain intellectually honest? It can be a challenge.

254 rurality  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:18:13pm

Telepromter addiction, bowling skills...

255 Kruk  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:18:15pm

re: #235 Conservative Moonbat

What about when one of the kids wore a t-shirt and shorts and the Freepers called her a whore?

I think the exact words were "ghetto whore". Also, let's not forget Obama's-Mother-In-Law-Uses-African-Black-Magic gate.

256 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:18:25pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

Not quite The Number of The Beast, but close enough for gov't work.
/

257 political lunatic  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:18:30pm

Obama is the antichristgate! (from WorldNutDaily)

258 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:18:38pm

Wow. This is worse than I could ever have imagined.

I'm about to put up a post dedicated to the endless flood of phony scandals. Please hang on to your gates and repost them in the comments for the new post ...

259 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:18:49pm

re: #254 rurality

Telepromter addiction, bowling skills...

Bicycling outfit!

260 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:18:57pm

re: #247 Killgore Trout

That's just 555 away from 666!
/Iyeee!

LOL!

OT, I got some "boiler onions" at the store, 2 inch diameter, maybe, they come in white, yellow, or red. Boil for 3 minutes, slice off the root end & squeeze! Perfect for the grill, casserole, shishkabob, or whatever.
They might be easy to grow...if you're an onion fan?

261 Scriptorium  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:19:06pm

re: #131 Bloodnok

Greek columns! RUN!

Yeah, that one made VDH's head spin. Then there was NR's "Mrs. Grievance" cover...

262 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:19:27pm

re: #223 Bagua

I offered an alternative opinion.

Your opinion is they should have kept using data they knew to be inaccurate?

Why?

263 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:19:45pm

To restore the order of things, in a day or so we can propose a similar list of anti-Palin absurdities. I suspect that list will be somewhat shorter.

264 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:20:00pm

re: #253 jayzee

Which hit the blogs - and got a minute at the end of a news bulletin here and there.

Not a full news cycle to itself on an unafraid news network.

265 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:20:20pm

re: #263 Decatur Deb

To restore the order of things, in a day or so we can propose a similar list of anti-Palin absurdities. I suspect that list will be somewhat shorter.

Troopergate!

266 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:20:26pm

re: #260 Floral Giraffe

LOL!

OT, I got some "boiler onions" at the store, 2 inch diameter, maybe, they come in white, yellow, or red. Boil for 3 minutes, slice off the root end & squeeze! Perfect for the grill, casserole, shishkabob, or whatever.
They might be easy to grow...if you're an onion fan?

Boiler onions??
Never heard of 'em.
The Roi might be interested (seeing as how he's the cook of the family)

267 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:20:42pm

re: #249 Slumbering Behemoth

Funny, I'm sort of half-assed watching that show right now.

I liked Stargate until about the 8/9th season. Once they introduced the Ori...:/

268 WindHorse  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:21:05pm

bicycling flat tire gate

269 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:21:13pm

re: #264 wozzablog

Which hit the blogs - and got a minute at the end of a news bulletin here and there.

Not a full news cycle to itself on an unafraid news network.

yeah, that was the first i ever heard of that particular piece of "news' or whatever it was.

270 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:21:28pm

re: #268 WindHorse

bicycling flat tire gate

That was just plain funny.

271 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:21:36pm

Pretzelgate!

Oops, wrong prez.

/

272 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:21:37pm

re: #248 reine.de.tout

Aw, you're no traitor, Reine. You're the super-sweet gal behind the LGF Cookbook. That you have the intellectual honesty to call batshit crazy stupid stuff exactly what it is, is just icing on the cake.

273 bosforus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:22:01pm

re: #268 WindHorse

bicycling flat tire gate

What was that one? Obama get a flat tire on a bike ride?

274 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:22:09pm

re: #267 Varek Raith

but that would have depived the world of Valla and Cam at his highschool reunion... thats in my top 10.

275 laZardo  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:22:11pm

re: #258 Charles

WATCH OUT, HERE IT COMES!

/ O:

276 Kruk  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:22:11pm

re: #257 political lunatic

Obama is the antichristgate! (from WorldNutDaily)

Let's see:

Charismatic speaker? Check
Adored by millions across the world? Check
Lauded as a peacemaker? Check
Capable of reigning for seven years? Check
Able to unleash a war that ends the world? Check

Houston, we have a problem.

277 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:22:16pm

re: #265 Gus 802

Troopergate!

A comparison would require some discussion of "beef/no beef".

278 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:22:38pm

re: #272 Slumbering Behemoth

Aw, you're no traitor, Reine. You're the super-sweet gal behind the LGF Cookbook. That you have the intellectual honesty to call batshit crazy stupid stuff exactly what it is, is just icing on the cake.

SleepyB - thank you!
I needed that.
Really, I've been feeling like a bit of a traitor.
But this stuff really is batshit crazy stupid.

279 laZardo  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:22:39pm

re: #272 Slumbering Behemoth

But the cake is a lie.

/DUN DUN DUUUNNN

280 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:23:25pm

re: #275 laZardo

WATCH OUT, HERE IT COMES!

/ O:

Gird your loins!
/

281 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:23:42pm

re: #273 bosforus

What was that one? Obama get a flat tire on a bike ride?

During the campaign, I believe it was, he was photographed out for a bike ride, and his bike's tires were about as flat as they could be.

282 jim_beam  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:23:45pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout


Actually I think the data was on paper and magnetic tape. Was homogenized on computer and the originals deleted.

I think it is important to know whether the data was just transferred to a computer file and homogenized, or if the data was also worked on... It is common sense to keep your original data sets, before modifications, so that you can re-work your modification process through repeated iterations.

Unfortunately, I think this was not simply a homogenization.

"We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.” - Phil Jones

I don't doubt the science, I just think it would be helpful to have the original data...

283 Gus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:23:46pm

re: #277 Decatur Deb

A comparison would require some discussion of "beef/no beef".

I never followed up on that. I do remember I kind of went after the cop and the police union.

/Who, me? :)

284 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:24:18pm

re: #274 wozzablog

but that would have depived the world of Valla and Cam at his highschool reunion... thats in my top 10.

Did you ever watch Farscape?

285 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:24:35pm

re: #275 laZardo
That'd be BOHICO-gate.

286 Jadespring  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:24:56pm

Has "Bare Arm-gate' been mentioned yet?

There's so many listed here I may have missed it.

287 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:25:01pm

re: #258 Charles

Wow. This is worse than I could ever have imagined.

I'm about to put up a post dedicated to the endless flood of phony scandals. Please hang on to your gates and repost them in the comments for the new post ...

MAybe it'd be nice to have links to the wingnuts blogs who are pushing the conspiracy theories. It'd be a lot of work but it sure would piss off a lot of people.

288 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:25:03pm

re: #266 reine.de.tout

They're just little ones. I don't think they're a special breed. Just small. 1-2 inch in diameter. A really usefull size. Website [Link: www...] 4earth dot net
Listed on the label.

289 bosforus  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:25:31pm

re: #281 reine.de.tout

During the campaign, I believe it was, he was photographed out for a bike ride, and his bike's tires were about as flat as they could be.

And this guy is our president?!
/

290 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:26:07pm

re: #284 Varek Raith

i did. a lot.

291 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:26:17pm

re: #251 wozzablog

yet most of them seemed to warrant a full cycle on a national news network.

fair, balanced and unafraid.

I quit watching that particular network many months ago.
But I have noticed these things being discussed on some blogs I used to enjoy.

292 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:26:18pm

re: #283 Gus 802

I never followed up on that. I do remember I kind of went after the cop and the police union.

/Who, me? :)

I think it petered out in "duelling investigators".

293 Kruk  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:26:19pm

re: #267 Varek Raith

I liked Stargate until about the 8/9th season. Once they introduced the Ori...:/

I liked Stargate until my wife decided we were going to watch all my DVDs (ten seasons of SG-1 and four sesons on Atlantis) in one marathon session. She's so geeky she even scares me sometimes. :)

294 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:27:17pm

re: #262 Obdicut

Your opinion is they should have kept using data they knew to be inaccurate?

Why?

You miss my point. My opinion is that this reveals that the historical temperature reconstruction based upon the tree rings is inaccurate. Thus it has been falsified by the actual temperature record based upon actual measurements.

It was wrong to simply eliminate the part that didn't fit in the IPPC AR4, and it looks suspicious that attempts were made to alter the data by interpolating actual temperature data to "hide the decline".

Quite clearly if the Tree Ring Proxy is wrong during almost a third of the just over a century time period that we have real measurements, it can not be relied upon during the other 900 years that we do not.

295 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:27:30pm

New post dedicated to this craziness is now up.

296 WindHorse  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:27:33pm

yes we can gate

/

297 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:27:45pm

re: #293 Kruk

I'd like to meet her... ;-)

298 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:28:12pm

re: #290 wozzablog

i did. a lot.

You are awesome. *stupid SciFi canceling it* grumbles.

re: #293 Kruk

I liked Stargate until my wife decided we were going to watch all my DVDs (ten seasons of SG-1 and four sesons on Atlantis) in one marathon session. She's so geeky she even scares me sometimes. :)

Whew! I could only do that with B5. :)

299 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:28:54pm

re: #260 Floral Giraffe

They might be easy to grow...if you're an onion fan?

I grow my own shallots. French Gray Shallots are my favorites. Those little boiler onions are nice too. I like the shallots because they're easy to grow and they stay in nice tight bunches so they save space in the garden.

300 researchok  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:29:01pm

They all pale when compared to BusHitler and the Bush concentration camps. The number of people who believe Bush planned and executed 9/11 is astonishing.

301 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:29:12pm

re: #278 reine.de.tout

Any time, {Reine}.

I've learned a lot, and changed my perspective on many things, since I've registered here. I think you've had the same experience.

Fact check, hold to the truth. You may end up looking at things differently, but you'll never be a traitor to the one thing that matters most, your own integrity.

302 laZardo  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:29:14pm

re: #295 Charles

IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!

/classic episode

303 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:29:27pm

re: #298 Varek Raith

Whew! I could only do that with B5. :)


i'm doing that at the moment... many episodes a day. Halfway through season three...

304 jayzee  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:30:00pm

re: #269 reine.de.tout

yeah, that was the first i ever heard of that particular piece of "news' or whatever it was.

I'm not sure that's relevant. Seriously, the original post mentioned what a terrible person said about Obama's daughter. NOT what the news media said. I had two points: 1) We must always condemn this type of behavior and 2) we are stretching the whole "gate" thing to include non-gates and legitimate concerns.

305 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:30:33pm

re: #298 Varek Raith

and thanks - i guess i am pretty awesome, and modest too ;-)

306 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:30:44pm

re: #299 Killgore Trout

OOOH. Going to try those!
Thanks!

307 Kruk  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:31:49pm

re: #297 wozzablog

I'd like to meet her... ;-)

Heh. Yeah, she's great. She's just as much into sci-fi as I am, though she does lose points for not liking horror.

308 Scriptorium  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:32:37pm

re: #267 Varek Raith

I liked Stargate until about the 8/9th season. Once they introduced the Ori...:/

We just started watching the DVDs. Never saw it on teevee. Reminds me a lot of Star Trek original, minus short skirts and extreme eye makeup.

309 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:33:31pm

re: #307 Kruk

into sci-fi... but not horror... how does one solve the Schroedingers Cat of this genre then..."Event Horizon"?

310 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:35:44pm

re: #308 Scriptorium

We just started watching the DVDs. Never saw it on teevee. Reminds me a lot of Star Trek original, minus short skirts and extreme eye makeup.

I promise not to spoil anymore then. :)

311 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:37:06pm

re: #309 wozzablog

Excellent film. Loved the fusion of genres.

312 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:38:35pm

re: #311 Slumbering Behemoth

Excellent film. Loved the fusion of genres.

I liked Sam Neill's character in that movie.

313 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:40:08pm

re: #294 Bagua


Quite clearly if the Tree Ring Proxy is wrong during almost a third of the just over a century time period that we have real measurements, it can not be relied upon during the other 900 years that we do not.

Why? Please give a scientific explanation. You know we have correlative data for the accuracy of the tree ring data at other points, right?

Why do you feel your opinion on this is more valid and better founded than climatologists'?

314 tradewind  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:43:57pm

Is there no end in sight? NYT refuses to drop the subject, fans flames by reporting on the controversy. You would think they would be above this fray.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

315 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:44:51pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

I'm also a little disturbed by the knee jerk reaction supporting the Navy Seals who are being brought up on charges. We really don't have many facts yet. Would Lindy England have gotten the same support if Obama was President?

Killgore Trout -

From What I understand, the SEALS were originally going to get Personnel File "gigs" for "mistreating" the prisoner. Could have stopped there, the SEALS decided NOT to take the "gigs" and to proceed to Courts Martial. FWIW, effectively the same for them as KSM getting a Civilian Trial - In the SEALS Courts Martial, DoD Policy will be on trial. Beyond that, I would say be careful about what you wish for. Fellows like KSM just might NOT be captured for questioning any more. Go from there... the US Military may be a LOT of things - STUPID is NOT one of them. That is all.

-S-

316 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:48:36pm

re: #313 Obdicut

Why? Please give a scientific explanation. You know we have correlative data for the accuracy of the tree ring data at other points, right?

Why do you feel your opinion on this is more valid and better founded than climatologists'?

Why? That is clear.

It fits the actual measured temperatures from 1850 until 1960, and then it does not. Thus for over a third of the time that we have actual temperature readings it does not correlate. In fact it shows a decline in temperature after 1960. Thus it has been falsified as a temperature proxy.

To assert that it is nevertheless accurate to a fraction of a degree in the prior 900 years that we have no actual measurements is quite a stretch seeing as it has been falsified for the far shorter period of time during which we do have accurate temperature measurement.

317 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:56:58pm

re: #316 Bagua

Why? That is clear.

It fits the actual measured temperatures from 1850 until 1960, and then it does not.

And what about the rest of the historical record? Any reason you're leaving that out?

318 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 7:59:08pm

re: #301 Slumbering Behemoth

Any time, {Reine}.

I've learned a lot, and changed my perspective on many things, since I've registered here. I think you've had the same experience.

Fact check, hold to the truth. You may end up looking at things differently, but you'll never be a traitor to the one thing that matters most, your own integrity.

Absolutely!
Right on target . . .

319 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 8:03:47pm

re: #317 Obdicut

And what about the rest of the historical record? Any reason you're leaving that out?

Why yes of course, the only record that can be falsified/verified is the actual record of actual measurements made since 1850. As this falsifies the Tree Ring reconstruction, there is little value to alleged confirmation from other proxies.

It is simply curve fitting to use the record when it fits the theory and eliminate or fudge it when it does not.

You are saying it is inaccurate a third of the time when we have actual physical temperature measurements but highly accurate during the 900 years when we don't have actual measurements. I say the data disagrees, as witness the papers trying to find an explanation for this divergence.

320 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 8:06:42pm

re: #319 Bagua

Why yes of course, the only record that can be falsified/verified is the actual record of actual measurements made since 1850.

Why do you believe this to be true? Do you seriously think that climatologists are just bullshitting about being able to measure temperature accurately before actual measurements?

Why do you feel you are better qualified on this subject than climatologists?

321 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 8:40:03pm

re: #320 Obdicut


Why do you believe this to be true?

I just demonstrated why. The only temperature records in existence that are based on actual temperature reading are those since 1850. Prior to that they are proxy re-constructions based upon the Tree Rings and other contentious constructs.

Do you seriously think that climatologists are just bullshitting about being able to measure temperature accurately before actual measurements?

Define "climatologists". The emails do indicate that some of the key "climatologists" may in fact have diddled with the studies.

But yes, the premise that it is possible to establish a global average temperature based upon Tree Rings from a batch of trees on one peninsular in one region of the globe does strike me as less than credible upon further examination.


Why do you feel you are better qualified on this subject than climatologists?

Why do you feel you are better qualified than me to have an opinion on this subject?

In fact, many scientists question the validity of the tree ring data, as witness the papers cited by Sinclair on this video. The issue of cutting out the data post-1960 from the graphs used in the IPCC reports was also challenged by other scientists.

Otherwise, dead thread. We can discuss this further on the next AGW thread.

322 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 8:43:29pm

re: #321 Bagua


I just demonstrated why. The only temperature records in existence that are based on actual temperature reading are those since 1850. Prior to that they are proxy re-constructions based upon the Tree Rings and other contentious constructs.

What other 'constructs' are contentious, please?

Define "climatologists". The emails do indicate that some of the key "climatologists" may in fact have diddled with the studies.

No, they do not. That is, in fact, the subject of the video at the head of this thread.

You are endorsing cherry-picked emails stolen by criminals in order to sabotage Copenhagen. You are believing what a criminal wants you to. Why?

Why do you feel you are better qualified than me to have an opinion on this subject?

Because I'm saying what the climatologists are, rather than smearing them with allusions to nasty things in the emails like you are.


Otherwise, dead thread. We can discuss this further on the next AGW thread.

There's not a lot to discuss, really. You're not saying anything new or undebunked.

323 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 8:47:42pm

re: #322 Obdicut

You are not debating honestly, rather, you are trying to smear me. It is you who have said nothing new or undebunked. Thus it is pointless to discuss with you further.

324 Kewalo  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 8:49:22pm

re: #288 Floral Giraffe

And they are simply delicious creamed. These were always a holiday side dish when I was a kid.

325 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 8:52:39pm

re: #323 Bagua

You are not debating honestly, rather, you are trying to smear me. It is you who have said nothing new or undebunked. Thus it is pointless to discuss with you further.

When you use phrases like "other contentious constructs" and don't have the honesty to back it up, I find it hard to take your accusations seriously.

326 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:00:53pm

re: #325 Obdicut

When you use phrases like "other contentious constructs" and don't have the honesty to back it up, I find it hard to take your accusations seriously.

Bull, you are just trying to further your smear of dishonesty. I've supported everything I have said on this issue, and will be happy to take it up again on the next AGW thread.

327 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:04:29pm

re: #326 Bagua

Bull, you are just trying to further your smear of dishonesty. I've supported everything I have said on this issue, and will be happy to take it up again on the next AGW thread.

You have not in the least bit supported your accusation regarding the 'other contentious constructs', no.

328 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:10:13pm

re: #327 Obdicut

You have not in the least bit supported your accusation regarding the 'other contentious constructs', no.

True that, but we can debate the validity of the bore holes and coral and sediment proxies and such in a follow up thread.

I would assert that none of these can give an accurate historical Global Average temperature accurate +/- 1/10th of a degree. That is a whole nother can of worms.

329 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:13:57pm

re: #328 Bagua

True that, but we can debate the validity of the bore holes and coral and sediment proxies and such in a follow up thread.

I would assert that none of these can give an accurate historical Global Average temperature accurate +/- 1/10th of a degree. That is a whole nother can of worms.

But why would you assert that? I don't go around making assertions about fluid dynamics, because I'm not a physicist specializing in fluid dynamics. I don't go around second-guessing astronomers. I manage to get through the day without telling set theorists they're full of shit, or biologists that they have no clue what they're doing.

So why is it that you think that you are able to more accurately approach the field of climatology than climatologists?

If they were saying something bloody strange I could see your object, but since basic physics says CO2 added to an atmosphere will cause warming, and, yep, sure enough, we've got warming after adding a long belch of CO2 into the atmosphere, it completely baffles me why on earth you think this is a situation where the scientific community is way off base.

330 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:24:36pm

It is bloody strange to assert that one can determine the Global Mean Temperature temperature 2,000 years ago to an accuracy of 1/10th of a degree based upon proxies proxies such as lake sediment and Tree Rings. That one of those proxies has been falsified adds substance to that assertion.

But yea, whatever, I get that you are a believer and are making an argument from authority, myself I prefer to verify.

331 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:29:59pm

re: #330 Bagua

Yes, I am making an argument from authority. That is my whole point. I am citing what scientists think, and you are citing yourself, somehow able to understand their field better than they do.

332 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:36:39pm

re: #331 Obdicut

Yes, I am making an argument from authority. That is my whole point. I am citing what scientists think, and you are citing yourself, somehow able to understand their field better than they do.

Correction, you are citing what you believe scientists think. If the subject is beyond your ability to understand, why join in?

333 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:47:57pm

re: #332 Bagua

Correction, you are citing what you believe scientists think. If the subject is beyond your ability to understand, why join in?

It's not beyond my ability to understand. Climatologists have explained things very plainly and simply. Charles has posted links to their explanations over and over. I have too. You could understand it too, if you wanted to.

But you'd rather use out-of-context emails to smear scientists, than actually work to improve your understanding. Why join with criminals against scientists? I just don't get it.

334 Bagua  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:51:16pm

re: #333 Obdicut

[...] I just don't get it.

You never get anything that doesn't fit your talking points. As to your attempts to reduce Climate Science to something that can be explained "plainly and simply", have fun with that, the real science is far more complex.

335 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 6, 2009 10:35:39pm

re: #334 Bagua

You never get anything that doesn't fit your talking points. As to your attempts to reduce Climate Science to something that can be explained "plainly and simply", have fun with that, the real science is far more complex.

Did you miss the bit about basic physics, and how the default assumption should be that the earth is warming?

336 Bagua  Mon, Dec 7, 2009 3:26:50am

re: #335 Obdicut

Did you miss the bit about not posting straw man arguments? I never said the earth was not warming and I've never disputed any "basic physics."

The proxies used to create historic temperature proxies are not "basic physics."


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