I'm finding a new appreciation for Colbert.

I remember when All Things Considered interviewed Schafly about Conservapedia. I thought I could almost hear the interviewer biting the inside of his mouth, to keep from laughing in Andy's face.

Opened up the translation of the Bible to the public?
Gosh - what in the world could go wrong with that?

...trying to make a conservative Bible. We already have that. It's called the Bible.

LOL

re: #3 reine.de.tout

Opened up the translation of the Bible to the public?
Gosh - what in the world could go wrong with that?

Oh, he explains later.
The objective truth of the Bible becomes clear over time by "the jury" as various people work on it.
yeah, right.

I'll stick with my King James.

This conservative Bible is fantastic, the relativism of stupid conservatism (and it's not all) that makes pseudoscience like ID the equal of an evolutionary theory worked on by thousands of scientists.

Why have knowledgeable people translate the Bible, then? Surely pooling the intelligence of thousands of dolts will produce something brilliant!

Glen Davidson
[Link: tinyurl.com...]

On the positive side, I now know how to pronounce, Schlafly.

I had it as something else entirely.

If have a few brain cells you don't mind losing (due to exposure to hazardous quantities of stupid), check out this page at Conservapedia, in which Andy Schlafly denies the existence of black holes -- because they're not mentioned in the Bible: Talk:Black hole - Conservapedia.

Creating my own reality like you are- that was brutally hilarious.

re: #6 MandyManners

I'll stick with my King James.

Only if he comes to the Knicks.

re: #4 Ben Hur

...trying to make a conservative Bible. We already have that. It's called the Bible.

LOL

A cartoon I love:

PANEL: You see Moses climbing Sinai.

PANEL: You see him coming down, holding the Tablets of the Law.

PANEL: You see him (no word bubbles) addressing the people.

PANEL: One of the people (still no word bubbles) is shown raising a hand.

PANEL: Moses: That's a good question. I'll ask.

PANEL: Moses climbing Sinai again.

PANEL: Moses has returned, slightly charred. Moses, to the people: Yes. You have to obey all of them, all the time. This concludes the �%(#�$& question and answer session.

re: #7 Glen Davidson

A hatchling?

re: #11 Ben Hur

Only if he comes to the Knicks.

Huh?

re: #9 Charles

If have a few brain cells you don't mind losing (due to exposure to hazardous quantities of stupid), check out this page at Conservapedia, in which Andy Schlafly denies the existence of black holes -- because they're not mentioned in the Bible: Talk:Black hole - Conservapedia.

...pffftttBwahahaha! Wow...

re: #9 Charles

If have a few brain cells you don't mind losing (due to exposure to hazardous quantities of stupid), check out this page at Conservapedia, in which Andy Schlafly denies the existence of black holes -- because they're not mentioned in the Bible: Talk:Black hole - Conservapedia.

England, chewing gum, and duck-billed platypi are also not mentioned in the Bible.

re: #9 Charles

If have a few brain cells you don't mind losing (due to exposure to hazardous quantities of stupid), check out this page at Conservapedia, in which Andy Schlafly denies the existence of black holes -- because they're not mentioned in the Bible: Talk:Black hole - Conservapedia.

I have some left.

I think.

re: #14 MandyManners

Huh?

Image: king-james1.jpg

re: #9 Charles

If have a few brain cells you don't mind losing (due to exposure to hazardous quantities of stupid), check out this page at Conservapedia, in which Andy Schlafly denies the existence of black holes -- because they're not mentioned in the Bible: Talk:Black hole - Conservapedia.

It seems black holes are a liberal conspiracy.

re: #11 Ben Hur

Only if he comes to the Knicks.

I haven't watched much this year yet, but he's getting out of hand. I actually think he will soon be classified as non-human, and will therefore be kicked out of the NBA.

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

A cartoon I love:

PANEL: You see Moses climbing Sinai.

PANEL: You see him coming down, holding the Tablets of the Law.

PANEL: You see him (no word bubbles) addressing the people.

PANEL: One of the people (still no word bubbles) is shown raising a hand.

PANEL: Moses: That's a good question. I'll ask.

PANEL: Moses climbing Sinai again.

PANEL: Moses has returned, slightly charred. Moses, to the people: Yes. You have to obey all of them, all the time. This concludes the &#%(#&#$& question and answer session.

Mel Brooks holding the 3 Tablets.

"I bring you these 15 .."
*CRASH*
"10! 10 Commandments!"

Mocking him isn't going to undermine his support, though. Credo quia absurdum est has a long, long pedigree.

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

England, chewing gum, and duck-billed platypi are also not mentioned in the Bible.

Neither is the United States of America.

My father's comment on the Conservative Bible project, once I got the concept across to him: "That's not conservative. That's radical. And not in a positive Christian sense."

re: #18 Ben Hur

[Link: flagrantfouls.com...]

My son adores LeBron.

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of the greatest scenes.

Just for the record, the proper term is "Holes of colors"

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

My father's comment on the Conservative Bible project, once I got the concept across to him: "That's not conservative. That's radical. And not in a positive Christian sense."

Positive surfer sense?

re: #9 Charles

If have a few brain cells you don't mind losing (due to exposure to hazardous quantities of stupid), check out this page at Conservapedia, in which Andy Schlafly denies the existence of black holes -- because they're not mentioned in the Bible: Talk:Black hole - Conservapedia.

"Also, NASA has taken a sad left turn as of late. This is one of the reasons the U.S.A.F. has its own space program. Do you see?"

...swoon...PLOP!

I wonder if he believes that if you don't make enough money you go to hell.

Yeah, I'll bet he does.

re: #29 The Sanity Inspector

"Also, NASA has taken a sad left turn as of late. This is one of the reasons the U.S.A.F. has its own space program. Do you see?"

...swoon...PLOP!

Seriously... The comments on black holes are mind-numbingly ignorant...
/need a drink.

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

England, chewing gum, and duck-billed platypi are also not mentioned in the Bible.

Au contraire. In the late 19th century, at the height of the British Empire, Mark Twain said that the English were mentioned in the Bible: The meek shall inherit the earth.

re: #29 The Sanity Inspector

"Also, NASA has taken a sad left turn as of late. This is one of the reasons the U.S.A.F. has its own space program. Do you see?"

...swoon...PLOP!

That's absolutely amazing. Is the special U.S.A.F. space program more conservative?

(How the hell do you have a conservative space program?)

re: #29 The Sanity Inspector

"Also, NASA has taken a sad left turn as of late. This is one of the reasons the U.S.A.F. has its own space program. Do you see?"

...swoon...PLOP!

So that explains all the money going to that project under Cheyenne Mountain.

"Debate:Why is there something rather than nothing?" Cogito, ergo sum. You, Andrew, on the other hand...

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

That's absolutely amazing. Is the special U.S.A.F. space program more conservative?

(How the hell do you have a conservative space program?)

Or, for that matter, a liberal space program?

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just for the record, the proper term is "Holes of colors"

Makes a perfect Christmas gift!
/for those who were reading the overnight thread

re: #9 Charles

If have a few brain cells you don't mind losing (due to exposure to hazardous quantities of stupid), check out this page at Conservapedia, in which Andy Schlafly denies the existence of black holes -- because they're not mentioned in the Bible: Talk:Black hole - Conservapedia.

From that link:

ID is bolstered by the direct observation available from Genesis.

BWAHAHAHA!

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

That's absolutely amazing. Is the special U.S.A.F. space program more conservative?

(How the hell do you have a conservative space program?)

Well, if the current batch of conservatives is any example, then you just light a big fire under your rocket and pray it gets off the ground.

Not capitalizing "Christian" is blasphemy?

Sarah Palin Divides The GOP Elite

National Journal's annual Insiders Poll issue will come out Friday, but we've got some early results; the most interesting finding is how many GOP insiders and members of Congress listed Palin as one of their least favorite members of the party.

Palin was the top response when 85 GOP strategists and insiders were asked, "Which voice in your party would you most like to mute?" 28 percent listed Palin; Republican National Committee Chairman Michael came in second, with 12 percent.

Republican members of Congress think a little more highly of her: when GOP lawmakers were asked the same question, "no one" was the most popular response (16 percent), but Palin tied for second at 11 percent with Glenn Beck and Reps. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), Steve King (R-IA), and Tom Price (R-GA). 19 votes were recorded in this category.

re: #38 Girth

From that link:

ID is bolstered by the direct observation available from Genesis.

BWAHAHAHA!

A religious text describing the creation of the animals by God tends to support the idea that God created the animals.

It's proof of something! (Perhaps that Genesis gets its idea across fairly clearly...)

Um. So, aren't there books that were left out of the bible? So...what of those the Romans didn't like? I, for one, would like to read them, too. This is the problem I have with people that believe in the Bible as the literal truth, and the only truth.

re: #38 Girth

From that link:

ID is bolstered by the direct observation available from Genesis.

BWAHAHAHA!

Only logical response.

Conservapedia is bundle of laughs.

This was under atheism:

Creation Scientists tend to win creation-evolution debates

As noted earlier, a majority of the most prominent and vocal defenders of the naturalistic evolutionary position since World War II have been holders of the world view of atheism. Creation scientists tend to win the Creation-Evolution debates and many debates have been held since the 1970's (particularly in the United States). Generally speaking, leading evolutionists generally no longer debate creation scientists. In an article entitled Are Kansas Evolutionists Afraid of a Fair Debate?

...

I'd argue that this guy's version of faith requires such hardcore circular logic to begin with, that trapping him in such logic isn't that great of an accomplishment. It's like kicking a puppy. Tied to a tree.

That having been said, if the puppy represents a contingent of the population that honestly thinks such logic should be dictating the direction of the country, then maybe it's worth kicking.

Unions pressure Democrats on health insurance tax..

Union leaders, among the most passionate backers of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, pressed Democratic senators Thursday to drop a tax on high-value insurance plans to pay for remaking the nation's system.

Members of several labor unions denounced the proposed tax on so-called "Cadillac plans," arguing it wouldn't just hit CEOs but also middle-class Americans who did without salary increases to negotiate better health benefits.

For thee not me.

re: #43 Cato the Elder

This guy talks like someone with fetal alcohol syndrome.

Limits, Cato. Learn them

re: #41 Sharmuta

Sarah Palin Divides The GOP Elite

People are waking up.

Definitely his mother's son. I guess she did her job on him.

re: #50 MandyManners

I've never thought the elites liked her, nor would they allow her to win.

re: #43 Cato the Elder

Don't be an asshole.

re: #43 Cato the Elder

Don't be an asshole.

re: #49 cliffster

Not from a guy in a dog suit.

And if have a few brain cells you don’t mind losing (due to exposure to hazardous quantities of stupid), check out this page at Conservapedia, in which Andy Schlafly denies the existence of black holes — because they’re not mentioned in the Bible

Well, finally - some consistency from the creationist side of the bench. It's all fine and good to deride the only-a-theory of evolution because it's not in the Bible, but you hardly ever hear of anyone taking that ball and running all the way down the field with it to deny everything that science has ever stated. I look forward to hearing further denunciations of astronomy, geology, physics, chemistry (especially chemistry, which I really hated in college), and a much broader attack on biology as a whole.

/ And yes, that was sarcasm.

re: #53 MandyManners

Don't repeat yourself.

I repeat: Don't repeat yourself.

re: #44 abbyadams

Um. So, aren't there books that were left out of the bible? So...what of those the Romans didn't like? I, for one, would like to read them, too. This is the problem I have with people that believe in the Bible as the literal truth, and the only truth.

Nope, throughout the centuries, the Bible was never once revised, edited or altered to conform to any set of beliefs or doctrines prevalent at a given time or region.

///

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or translated. And retranslated.

/

re: #50 MandyManners

People are waking up.

Actually- what it means is of 85 GOP strategists and insiders, 28% are a bunch of RINOs!

Stephen is the man but I find myself gravitating towards his cousin:

Esteban Colberto!

Esteban in color!

re: #44 abbyadams

Um. So, aren't there books that were left out of the bible? So...what of those the Romans didn't like? I, for one, would like to read them, too. This is the problem I have with people that believe in the Bible as the literal truth, and the only truth.

How the current collection of writings was assembled into the Bible is a fascinating historical tale that researchers are still unraveling. Wikipedia has several good articles on it.

For a close look at some of the material that was left out, I'd heartily recommend The Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagel, one of the leading researchers in this area. She has several other books on very early Christian texts that are worthwhile reading, too.

re: #9 Charles

If have a few brain cells you don't mind losing (due to exposure to hazardous quantities of stupid), check out this page at Conservapedia, in which Andy Schlafly denies the existence of black holes -- because they're not mentioned in the Bible: Talk:Black hole - Conservapedia.

There is a hell of a lot of stuff Christians believe that isn't in the bible. Does he spend time debunking. Perhaps he can clean up his own house on issues like the rapture or predeterminism before he starts poking around others beliefs. sigh.

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope, throughout the centuries, the Bible was never once revised, edited or altered to conform to any set of beliefs or doctrines prevalent at a given time or region.

///

I am wildly curious to know how they're going to deal with Exodus 22.

re: #43 Cato the Elder

This guy talks like someone with fetal alcohol syndrome.

Not funny, and inappropriate if you claim it wasn't meant to be.

re: #59 abbyadams

Or translated. And retranslated.

/

Usually by people who spoke both languages.

re: #62 SixDegrees

Thank you! That looks like a fascinating read. I really enjoyed the History Channel's programs on the lost gospels.

re: #59 abbyadams

Duh. God has always spoken in circa 1604 English. Even in the 0th century. Before there was English.

It sucked 'cuz no one could really understand Jesus when he spoke, so the Gospels were primarily communicated to the Disciples via sock puppet and semaphore flag.

re: #63 DaddyG

There is a hell of a lot of stuff Christians believe that isn't in the bible. Does he spend time debunking. Perhaps he can clean up his own house on issues like the rapture or predeterminism before he starts poking around others beliefs. sigh.

Automatic weapons, zeppelins, pez dispensors, and cell phones are also not mentioned in the Bible, therefore, their existence is in doubt.

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope, throughout the centuries, the Bible was never once revised, edited or altered to conform to any set of beliefs or doctrines prevalent at a given time or region.

///

Not enough sarc tags in the heavens or on the earth. Even beyond the textual changes we moderns don't always grasp the nuance of a book written for a primarily agrarian culture. Granted the principles are pretty universal but too many modern Christians are "contextually challenged" when it comes to understanding their own doctrines.

Of course that doesn't excuse the mind reading of those who presume to tell me "what I really believe" in order to win religious debates with me.

re: #64 SanFranciscoZionist

I am wildly curious to know how they're going to deal with Exodus 22.

Laws of theft and damages? And the death penalty for bestiality.

re: #68 Jaerik

Duh. God has always spoken in circa 1604 English. Even in the 0th century. Before there was English.

It sucked 'cuz no one could really understand Jesus when he spoke, so the Gospels were primarily communicated to the Disciples via sock puppet and semaphore flag.

Charades.

"OK...we have 'Blessed are the'...last word...1 syllable...sounds like...leek! Reek! Speak! Peak!"

Oh, good times on the shores of the Sea of Galilee.

re: #71 Alouette

Laws of theft and damages? And the death penalty for bestiality.

Witchcraft.

Remember the good ole days when God looked like George Burns or just a big light in the sky, before he turned into Morgan Freeman?

/

Blessed are those who don't prooftext verily I say unto you they will not sound stupid to those who can read entire chapters.

re: #65 SixDegrees

Not funny, and inappropriate if you claim it wasn't meant to be.

It wasn't. That's how he sounds to me.

What you consider appropriate is of no interest.

Jesus said love everyone
Treat them kindly too
When your heart is filled with three
Others will love four

-just seemed like a good place to dump these modified hymn lyrics from back in my childhood Sunday school days-

OT: ESPERANZA SPALDING - "Overjoyed"

My quote button won't work but (Kafir)

God makes batmans car? /

re: #68 Jaerik

Duh. God has always spoken in circa 1604 English. Even in the 0th century. Before there was English.

It sucked 'cuz no one could really understand Jesus when he spoke, so the Gospels were primarily communicated to the Disciples via sock puppet and semaphore flag.

Pedantic note: there is no zeroeth century; there is the first century AD, and the century preceding it is the first century BC.

Believe me, I know. This painful fact has rammed itself home many times while I was writing calendrical calculation code that ran back into the past several thousand years. The absence of a year 0 turns an otherwise simple, unnoticeable transition into a morass of special cases. Very unpleasant.

re: #76 Cato the Elder

It wasn't. That's how he sounds to me.

What you consider appropriate is of no interest.

Man I saw that one coming. I find it interesting that folks repeatedly try to guilt Cato into changing this or that behavior when it's completely obvious that he couldn't give a flying fuck what anyone thinks of him.

Not saying I agree with this or that particular comment but every time I see someone bring guilt his way it's like watching a billy goat slam into a cinder block wall.

Sure, there were the giant protest puppets at the 9/12 Tea Party March, but it will only be next Tuesday that we have finally come full circle. That's when the Teapartiers are set to stage their first 'die-in' at the DC Senate offices :P.

[Link: taxdayteaparty.com...]

On Tuesday, December 15 at 8:45 AM thousands of us will meet in Washington, DC at the fountain in Upper Senate Park. From there we will march to the Senate offices, go inside, and demonstrate our opposition to the government takeover of health care. We call this plan “Government Waiting Rooms”. The intention is to go inside the Senate offices and hallways, and play out the role of patients waiting for treatment in government controlled medical facilities. As the day goes on some of us will pretend to die from our untreated illnesses and collapse on the floor. Many of us plan to stay there until they force us to leave. A backup location for this demonstration will be announced if they block us from entering the offices.

re: #79 DaddyG

My quote button won't work but (Kafir)

God makes batmans car? /

They were obviously a product of intelligent design.

re: #82 simoom

As the day goes on some of us will pretend to die from our untreated illnesses and collapse on the floor.

Street theater!

Even the Mormon church didnt re-write the bible they just added to it said part of it happened in America.

re: #80 SixDegrees

Pedantic note: there is no zeroeth century; there is the first century AD, and the century preceding it is the first century BC.

Believe me, I know. This painful fact has rammed itself home many times while I was writing calendrical calculation code that ran back into the past several thousand years. The absence of a year 0 turns an otherwise simple, unnoticeable transition into a morass of special cases. Very unpleasant.

I once read a contender for the Worst Celtic-Themed Novel Ever. The assumption that the Roman invaders of Britain were Christian, and persecuted the Druids on this ground, confused the hell out of me, until I managed to work out that the author believed that the Common Era was dated from Christ's death, rather than his birth, and that Christianity had become the official religion of the Roman Empire from the Crucifixion onward.

The author also apparently believed that Roman infantry wore pants, that pumpkins were common Samhain fair in first-century Britain, and that British warriors of the first century used bronze swords.

It was a doozy of a book. Came to the author in a dream, apparently.

Wow, this guy is wacky. The LAST place you want to have a "new translation" of the Bible is on a Wikipedia type site. It takes an awful lot of expertise in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, reading ancient manuscripts, identifying writing styles and particular words used that anyone untrained has absolutely no credibility whatsoever in any translation. In fact, translations have meaning only after the test of time and the rigorous critiquing by experts in the field. In essence, he is "interpreting" the Bible, not translating it. Anyone can have an opinion on the Bible or any of its verses but it is not their own personal "translation." Worst of all, he attributes unexplained and undocumented conspiracies that led to the original translations that he doesn't like. WOW.

re: #82 simoom

Sure, there were the giant protest puppets at the 9/12 Tea Party March, but it will only be next Tuesday that we have finally come full circle. That's when the Teapartiers are set to stage their first 'die-in' at the DC Senate offices :P.

[Link: taxdayteaparty.com...]

bring out your dead!... bring out your dead!

re: #82 simoom

Die in piss me off to no end. On the one hand though, I always want to attend one and then find a cute "deader" and attempt to perform CPR. "SHE LIVES! I'VE SAVED A LIFE!"

Yeah, I'm special that way.

re: #85 the yankee

Even the Mormon church didnt re-write the bible they just added to it said part of it happened in America.

That is one of the most uninformed posts about Mormons I think I've ever seen - next to the one that supported the veracity of the Salamander papers.
1) there is a Joseph Smith translation of the Bible
2) the Book of Mormon is not the Bible

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

I once read a contender for the Worst Celtic-Themed Novel Ever. The assumption that the Roman invaders of Britain were Christian, and persecuted the Druids on this ground, confused the hell out of me, until I managed to work out that the author believed that the Common Era was dated from Christ's death, rather than his birth, and that Christianity had become the official religion of the Roman Empire from the Crucifixion onward.

The author also apparently believed that Roman infantry wore pants, that pumpkins were common Samhain fair in first-century Britain, and that British warriors of the first century used bronze swords.

It was a doozy of a book. Came to the author in a dream, apparently.

The author needs to be beaten soundly across the head and chest, then sent to a library.

re: #80 SixDegrees

Ironically, as a programmer myself (gaming industry), I commonly deal with the exact same edge-case date problem on a fairly regular basis. I think at this point, I'm so brokenly habituated to zero-indexing everything for consistency that I typed "0th century" out of sheer muscle memory. Thus breaking my own logic.

The real consolation here is that with that creepy laugh we don't have to worry about this momma's boy getting into public office.

re: #90 bosforus

That is one of the most uninformed posts about Mormons I think I've ever seen - next to the one that supported the veracity of the Salamander papers.
1) there is a Joseph Smith translation of the Bible (though the KJV is the official Bible of the LDS church)
2) the Book of Mormon is not the Bible

re: #88 brookly red

bring out your dead!... bring out your dead!

Bring some ice water to spill. Lets see how long they stay dead.

re: #82 simoom

As the day goes on some of us will pretend to die from our untreated illnesses and collapse on the floor.

That is so 1987 Nuclear Freeze Movement.

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

I once read a contender for the Worst Celtic-Themed Novel Ever. The assumption that the Roman invaders of Britain were Christian, and persecuted the Druids on this ground, confused the hell out of me, until I managed to work out that the author believed that the Common Era was dated from Christ's death, rather than his birth, and that Christianity had become the official religion of the Roman Empire from the Crucifixion onward.

The author also apparently believed that Roman infantry wore pants, that pumpkins were common Samhain fair in first-century Britain, and that British warriors of the first century used bronze swords.

It was a doozy of a book. Came to the author in a dream, apparently.

Sounds a little like Kevin Sorbo's Hercules series. Except that show at least had the intelligence to laugh at it's own ridiculousness.

re: #88 brookly red

Any and all Monty Python refs get an upding for the sheer recognition of their genius. Carry on.

re: #92 Jaerik

Ironically, as a programmer myself (gaming industry), I commonly deal with the exact same edge-case date problem on a fairly regular basis. I think at this point, I'm so brokenly habituated to zero-indexing everything for consistency that I typed "0th century" out of sheer muscle memory. Thus breaking my own logic.

You don't realize what a tremendous invention the zero is until you're forced to do without it.

re: #97 SixDegrees

Sounds a little like Kevin Sorbo's Hercules series. Except that show at least had the intelligence to laugh at it's own ridiculousness.

That pretty series much said to hell with any pretense of following the stories from the get go.

re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Series pretty much, not pretty series much, sigh.

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope, throughout the centuries, the Bible was never once revised, edited or altered to conform to any set of beliefs or doctrines prevalent at a given time or region.

///

Well, there was the minor change from young woman to "virgin" in the translation./

The LOLCat Bible Project is moving much faster than Conservapedia's is...go Ceiling Cat!

One of my favorite passages: Rev 13:1-3

1 An I r in ur sandz looking at ur waterz: an OH NOES! A monstar camez out. He can has severn hedz an ten hornz: an can has ten crouwnz.2 An teh monstar I saws It iz layk big spotteded kitteh, an It can has pawz layk bear, an It can has mout layk big neck-fur kitteh. An Teh dragn gaved it teh powurz an teh chairz an teh autoritiez.3 An I sawz teh munster hurtz in teh hed: An laterz teh monstar hed he getz bettar: An evry pepls goes layk: OMFG! in wunder.

And another, John 3:16

16 So liek teh Ceiling Kitteh lieks teh ppl lots and he sez 'Oh hai I givez u me only kitteh and ifs u beleeves him u wont evr diez no moar, kthxbai!'

re: #87 acacia

Wow, this guy is wacky. The LAST place you want to have a "new translation" of the Bible is on a Wikipedia type site. It takes an awful lot of expertise in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, reading ancient manuscripts, identifying writing styles and particular words used that anyone untrained has absolutely no credibility whatsoever in any translation. In fact, translations have meaning only after the test of time and the rigorous critiquing by experts in the field. In essence, he is "interpreting" the Bible, not translating it. Anyone can have an opinion on the Bible or any of its verses but it is not their own personal "translation." Worst of all, he attributes unexplained and undocumented conspiracies that led to the original translations that he doesn't like. WOW.

Well last time I looked at this the 'translation plan' is based on the english King James Version. They basically look at that and pick out the parts or words that seem to be a problem. They have a whole bunch of direction on what and issue but it basically boils down to the parts that seem too 'liberal'. Then they go to the non-english texts and 'experts' in those texts to see where the english translation went wrong under the assumption that it happened because of 'liberal' influences. It might just be just a word or phrase but it can be a whole entire part. Like the suggestion that the story of the 'adultress' was put in because of liberal influence so it was last time I checked it was on the list to just be removed entirely.

And yeah. Wow. Though it's totally interesting from a sociological point of view.

re: #9 Charles

If have a few brain cells you don't mind losing (due to exposure to hazardous quantities of stupid), check out this page at Conservapedia, in which Andy Schlafly denies the existence of black holes -- because they're not mentioned in the Bible: Talk:Black hole - Conservapedia.

How many things are there that are not specifically mentioned in the Bible? Almost every star we see at night, and all the ones that are not naked eye objects, are not specifically mentioned. Do they, then, not exist? The point [one point] of the book of Job is that creation is replete with things that Job cannot understand, and that just one of them is why he must suffer. By implication, there are also many things in creation of which Job, and the rest of his day and age, were wholly ignorant, but wonderful. Strange, and magnificent, and beyond his comprehension at any rate for the time being. And there are doubtless other things in creation of which we are wholly ignorant, today.

Black holes, then, fall into the category of things mentioned by implication.

Conservapedia's thinking is off target even from within the perspective of biblical studies.

re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That pretty series much said to hell with any pretense of following the stories from the get go.

Ya think?

I thought it was funny as hell, myself.

re: #102 avanti

Well, there was the minor change from young woman to "virgin" in the translation./

That probably happens a lot when you come to think about it.

/

re: #106 SixDegrees

Ya think?

I thought it was funny as hell, myself.

I watched from time to time. Was more of a Xena fan because, well, it was Xena.

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

Witchcraft.

That too.

Funny, how the chapter begins by describing a thief who is crushed when his smuggling tunnel collapses on him. Who says scripture isn't relevant?

Just read a new Tiger joke today:

What's the difference between Santa Claus and Tiger Woods?

Santa Claus stops after three ho's.

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I watched from time to time. Was more of a Xena fan because, well, it was Xena.

I can't find anything here to disagree with.

re: #105 lostlakehiker

The world was a much better place back then, because everything was cool. We didn't understand much of anything, so pretty much everything in the world was amazing. Now, it's "oh, that happens because of this or that". Boring. Except sunsets. Sunsets always have been and always will be awesome.

re: #99 SixDegrees

You don't realize what a tremendous invention the zero is until you're forced to do without it.

I stay away from using zero in code because it was invented by filthy middle-eastern terrists that hate America. I make my programmers use romanNumerals.h

Post-Constantine version only, of course. None of that pagan stuff.

re: #110 Mad Al-Jaffee

Just read a new Tiger joke today:

What's the difference between Santa Claus and Tiger Woods?

Santa Claus stops after three ho's.

There's just something funny about the word 'ho'.

re: #95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bring some ice water to spill. Lets see how long they stay dead.

I was 'dead' for a demonstration once. Got a heck of a sunburn.

re: #110 Mad Al-Jaffee

Just read a new Tiger joke today:

What's the difference between Santa Claus and Tiger Woods?

Santa Claus stops after three ho's.

The situation is a goldmine for comedians
Also a goldmine for at least 13 women
Sadly, how the mighty have fallen (yet again). Ah, we humans!

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I watched from time to time. Was more of a Xena fan because, well, it was Xena.

The best Halloween I ever had was when I went out dressed as Xena. Fun times.

re: #110 Mad Al-Jaffee

Just read a new Tiger joke today:

What's the difference between Santa Claus and Tiger Woods?

Santa Claus stops after three ho's.

'Tis the season for this classic:

re: #75 DaddyG

Blessed are those who don't prooftext verily I say unto you they will not sound stupid to those who can read entire chapters.

...And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy."

re: #116 sattv4u2

The situation is a goldmine for comedians
Also a goldmine for at least 13 women
Sadly, how the mighty have fallen (yet again). Ah, we humans!

goldmine for some lawyers too me thinks.

Has anyone started the necronomipedia yet? Dubs on the site name if they haven't...

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I watched from time to time. Was more of a Xena fan because, well, it was Xena.

God, the Groundhog Day episode where Xena kills Joxer out of exasperation. So funny :D

re: #116 sattv4u2

The situation is a goldmine for comedians
Also a goldmine for at least 13 women
Sadly, how the mighty have fallen (yet again). Ah, we humans!

"Fallen"? Let's take a survey of men.. would you, or would you not, trade places with Tiger?

re: #116 sattv4u2

Sadly, how the mighty have fallen (yet again). Ah, we humans!

My expectations were never that high to begin with.

re: #122 WindUpBird

God, the Groundhog Day episode where Xena kills Joxer out of exasperation. So funny :D

Gonna have to get a copy of those again.

re: #123 cliffster

"Fallen"? Let's take a survey of men.. would you, or would you not, trade places with Tiger?

nope. my honor is not for sale.

re: #117 Jadespring

The best Halloween I ever had was when I went out dressed as Xena. Fun times.

You paint an Aerobie gold, and you have a Xena ring that actually flies! Hurl at family members for added hilarity :D

re: #123 cliffster

"Fallen"? Let's take a survey of men.. would you, or would you not, trade places with Tiger?

Would I trade my life of fidelity for fame and fortune? Big fat 'no' for me.

re: #123 cliffster

"Fallen"? Let's take a survey of men.. would you, or would you not, trade places with Tiger?

I would stop at the whole "getting paid a shitload for hitting a ball and marrying a hot Norwegian chic" part.

re: #112 cliffster

The world was a much better place back then, because everything was cool. We didn't understand much of anything, so pretty much everything in the world was amazing. Now, it's "oh, that happens because of this or that". Boring. Except sunsets. Sunsets always have been and always will be awesome.

Being an east coaster and always having an affinity for the ocean I love sunrises. I like sunsets too, but something about the sun "raising from" or "dipping into" the ocean mad sunrises and sunsets even more special, so I don't get to witness very many of those "special" sunsets!

(damn ,,, that sounded like an online dating ad!!!))

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gonna have to get a copy of those again.

I used to watch so much more TV than I do now...now it's basically Venture Bros and Metalocalypse and nothing else.

re: #123 cliffster

"Fallen"? Let's take a survey of men.. would you, or would you not, trade places with Tiger?

does that mean we can put you down for a yes...

//

re: #121 Thanos

Has anyone started the necronomipedia yet? Dubs on the site name if they haven't...

Headquarters would have to be in Chicago, preferably Daly square.

re: #127 WindUpBird

You paint an Aerobie gold, and you have a Xena ring that actually flies! Hurl at family members for added hilarity :D

Ha. No I used the ring off my stove. Flew pretty good actually. :)

Starting with Chapter 8 of Exodus, the Conservapedia Bible shows obvious tampering. Colbert's name substituted for Moses is the most readily noticeable. While I will stick with The Art Scroll translation - more scholarly, to say the least - I think it is wrong to deface another persons web-site.

re: #131 WindUpBird

I used to watch so much more TV than I do now...now it's basically Venture Bros and Metalocalypse and nothing else.

I miss Harvey Birdman.

And Futurama, imho, was Groenig's best work by far.

re: #121 Thanos

Has anyone started the necronomipedia yet? Dubs on the site name if they haven't...

Has to be run on a UNIX server. Daemons dontch know.

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That probably happens a lot when you come to think about it.

/

In the Bible the mistake was made when they translated from Hebrew to Greek. They translated "almah" (a young woman) to "parthenos" (virgin). The Hebrew word for virgin was "bethulah".
It happens today when movies are translated from English slang to Chinese for example. "You'll get the pink slip for Christmas" is translated as "You'll get red underpants in Santa Claus' stocking." is just one.

i can't watch it - but if it's half as good as i imagine it to be it's a moment of the year candidate.

re: #123 cliffster

"Fallen"? Let's take a survey of men.. would you, or would you not, trade places with Tiger?

You've gotta take that kind of poll in private. Heard yesterday in the break room about a recent study that put the percentage of men that would cheat on their wives if they knew they were never going to get caught at about 75%. For women, about 65%.

re: #136 Aceofwhat?

I miss Harvey Birdman.

And Futurama, imho, was Groenig's best work by far.

Futurama is righteous. Simpsons was great until about season 5, when it just started to become incestuous references to itself.

re: #113 Jaerik

I stay away from using zero in code because it was invented by filthy middle-eastern terrists that hate America. I make my programmers use romanNumerals.h

Post-Constantine version only, of course. None of that pagan stuff.

LOL

re: #123 cliffster

"Fallen"? Let's take a survey of men.. would you, or would you not, trade places with Tiger?

Lets see
TIGER,, fabulously rich and talented but will forever more be known for this
ME ,,, happily married with one great kid. Not rich but comfortable nor do I have any particular talent but content with how my professional life has worked out

ANSWER ,,, no, I would not

re: #141 WindUpBird

Futurama is righteous.

"This is the worst kind of discrimination- the kind against me."

-Bender

re: #138 avanti

that's not the half of it. the hebrew back then was a fairly limited vocabulary, with a large number of words carrying multiple meanings (e.g. bear, bear in english). context is tremendously important in this and other old hebrew translations; you have to go to multiple places in the text and correlate your a$$ off to make sure that you're following the authors' word choice correctly.

Good example - the word for 'day' is the same as the word for 'era/epoch'. Imagine how many less nirthers we'd have if Genesis began "in the first Era, God created..."

After reading the 'falsifiability' comments on that conservapedia site, w/r/t black holes being 'scientific' or not. . .my head hurts quite badly.

Normally, I'm used to pointing out a single logical error in a comment or article. . .not every single error in logic I've ever encountered, lined up, back to back, crashed up together in a gigantic logjam of nonsense.

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Colbert is great and his guest deserves harsh ridicule. That being said, Colbert`s joke about some abortion studies being funded by fetuses was hideous.

re: #145 Aceofwhat?

Good example - the word for 'day' is the same as the word for 'era/epoch'. Imagine how many less nirthers we'd have if Genesis began "in the first Era, God created..."

You might interested in an LDS published KJV Bible. Entirely footnoted with Greek/Hebrew translations of words like that.

re: #113 Jaerik

I stay away from using zero in code because it was invented by filthy middle-eastern terrists that hate America. I make my programmers use romanNumerals.h

Post-Constantine version only, of course. None of that pagan stuff.

"Allah be praised! I've invented the zero!"

"What?"

"Oh, nothing, nothing."

re: #138 avanti

In the Bible the mistake was made when they translated from Hebrew to Greek. They translated "almah" (a young woman) to "parthenos" (virgin). The Hebrew word for virgin was "bethulah".
It happens today when movies are translated from English slang to Chinese for example. "You'll get the pink slip for Christmas" is translated as "You'll get red underpants in Santa Claus' stocking." is just one.

I was once present for a crisis in the office of the rabbi I worked for, when it turned out that the calligrapher of the ketubah, despite having been told not to, had described the bride as 'btulah'.

Turned out the confusion had been aided by the groom, who had believed that the word was part of his mother's name on her ketubah.

The bride is yelling, "I'm forty-six years old, for God's sake! I am not a virgin!"

The rabbi is on the phone with the calligrapher. I am pretending to be real busy with the photocopying.

re: #132 Aceofwhat?

does that mean we can put you down for a yes...

//

Of course. I'd just pull an Obama. "Hey, all that happened before I took Tiger over."

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

i just laughed conspicuously at my desk. thank YHWH it's mostly empty.

re: #19 Sharmuta

to quote Monsieur Colbert from a certain dinner speech - "truth has a liberal bias"...

;-)

re: #153 wozzablog

to quote Monsieur Colbert from a certain dinner speech - "truth has a liberal bias"...

;-)

Apparently, so does the Bible.

Sigh...

re: #153 wozzablog

to quote Monsieur Colbert from a certain dinner speech - "truth has a liberal bias"...

;-)

Thank God a comedian said that, because it's really funny!!
;-)

re: #152 Aceofwhat?

i just laughed conspicuously at my desk. thank YHWH it's mostly empty.

Don't you hate it when you are at work laughing with LGF..
Somebody runs into your cube..
What's so funny?
Nothing..Go away!
What's so funny?
Go away!
What's a green football?
It's like a green Basketball but different..
Really?
Go away!

re: #156 HoosierHoops

Pointier. No go away.

re: #157 EmmmieG

Pointier. Now go away.

Corrected.

You know what we see here is the birth of another religion.

The "old" scripture not good enough for you? Write your own and claim it is the real meaning of the original!

How many times has this happened in the past?

I don't mean to bash on new interpretations or on other religions. I don't mean to say that this has never had good points as a process or that it must of necessity produce bad people.

However, when you are basing your new religion on a tennant of supremacy without responsibility to others, nothing good can come of it. When you base your new religion on the notion of never questioning dogma or wrestling with faith - to the exclusion of all evidence, and violent reactions to those who do present other evidence - coupled with a snide sense of superiority, nothing good can come of it.

All we have here are a bunch of fanatics making a new cult out of the original material.

Unfortunately this one will be a very nasty cult, wrapped in Old Glory.

re: #152 Aceofwhat?

i just laughed conspicuously at my desk. thank YHWH it's mostly empty.

Yeah ,,, like your coworkers don't already think you hear voices in your head!
/

re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Xena and Hercules were both filmed on a strip of beach in New Zealand - as the series were winding down a full on Amazonian battle whirlwinded across the Hercule's set in one of the episodes that aired.

They were both breat series - i preferred Hercules - particularly when it got absolutely stupid and switched to LA...

re: #123 cliffster

"Fallen"? Let's take a survey of men.. would you, or would you not, trade places with Tiger?

No. Taking the long view, the love of one good woman is worth more than a stable of unstable attachments. And as to the money, I earn enough for my relatively simple needs and a few "wants" into the bargain. So I don't really want more, not that bad.

re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote

Nice seeing you back Ludwig

re: #163 HoosierHoops

Nice seeing you back Ludwig

Good to be here buddy

re: #145 Aceofwhat?

that's not the half of it. the hebrew back then was a fairly limited vocabulary, with a large number of words carrying multiple meanings (e.g. bear, bear in english). context is tremendously important in this and other old hebrew translations; you have to go to multiple places in the text and correlate your a$$ off to make sure that you're following the authors' word choice correctly.

Good example - the word for 'day' is the same as the word for 'era/epoch'. Imagine how many less nirthers we'd have if Genesis began "in the first Era, God created..."

Anyone that has ever played telephone would be skeptical or how the original authors intent has been changed, especially since much of it was oral histories passed down through generations. While the King James translation is beautiful, it's quite different than the less flowery Hebrew or Greek.

re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote

The Holy Order Of The Tea Bag...

re: #164 LudwigVanQuixote

Good to be here buddy

I've been trying to take up some of the AGW slack while you were gone, as have quite a few others.

Including Charles himself. He's relentless. It's kinda nifty.

re: #162 lostlakehiker

No. Taking the long view, the love of one good woman is worth more than a stable of unstable attachments. And as to the money, I earn enough for my relatively simple needs and a few "wants" into the bargain. So I don't really want more, not that bad.

And you can walk outside your door, go the store, window shop, browse, take your time, and nobody would pester you, or even care or notice. Well, except for that one good woman who would want to have an idea when you are coming back.

re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote

You know what we see here is the birth of another religion.

The "old" scripture not good enough for you? Write your own and claim it is the real meaning of the original!

How many times has this happened in the past?

I don't mean to bash on new interpretations or on other religions. I don't mean to say that this has never had good points as a process or that it must of necessity produce bad people.

However, when you are basing your new religion on a tennant of supremacy without responsibility to others, nothing good can come of it. When you base your new religion on the notion of never questioning dogma or wrestling with faith - to the exclusion of all evidence, and violent reactions to those who do present other evidence - coupled with a snide sense of superiority, nothing good can come of it.

All we have here are a bunch of fanatics making a new cult out of the original material.

Unfortunately this one will be a very nasty cult, wrapped in Old Glory.

Like almost every new religion, it will die out fairly quickly. Most mutations are not adaptive. Especially, when it comes to religion, the ones that have no moral underpinnings.

re: #169 lostlakehiker

Like almost every new religion, it will die out fairly quickly. Most mutations are not adaptive. Especially, when it comes to religion, the ones that have no moral underpinnings.

Moral underpinnings? They want to restore the 'free market meaning' of the parables!

re: #165 avanti

Anyone that has ever played telephone would be skeptical or how the original authors intent has been changed, especially since much of it was oral histories passed down through generations. While the King James translation is beautiful, it's quite different than the less flowery Hebrew or Greek.

We use "day" that way even now. Why, back in my day, we used it that way daily.

re: #167 Obdicut

I've been trying to take up some of the AGW slack while you were gone, as have quite a few others.

Including Charles himself. He's relentless. It's kinda nifty.

And it's been highly effective, imo. But then- not insulting people regularly can do that.

Racism still alive and well over at Hot Air: Regarding the Obama statue in Indonesia...

Before they added the butterfly he was holding a ring, but people mistook him for a lawn jockey.

Cicero43 on December 10, 2009 at 6:21 PM

...

Where are the accompanying statues of Wheezer, Spanky,Jackie and Chubby?

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on December 10, 2009 at 6:10 PM

(that's a Buckwheat reference)

Not a single person speaks up and says it's uncool or offensive to make racist remarks about the President. AP and Ed seem happy to let these comments go unchallenged.

Listen folks, we have had this conversation before, screw the KJ and the "conservative" version of the Bible.
The only TRUE and CORRECT version is the LOLcat translation.
[Link: www.lolcatbible.com...]

Boreded Ceiling Cat makinkgz Urf n stuffs
1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.
2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.
3 At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!1

May Ceiling Cat be praised...

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

I once read a contender for the Worst Celtic-Themed Novel Ever. The assumption that the Roman invaders of Britain were Christian, and persecuted the Druids on this ground, confused the hell out of me, until I managed to work out that the author believed that the Common Era was dated from Christ's death, rather than his birth, and that Christianity had become the official religion of the Roman Empire from the Crucifixion onward.

The author also apparently believed that Roman infantry wore pants, that pumpkins were common Samhain fair in first-century Britain, and that British warriors of the first century used bronze swords.

It was a doozy of a book. Came to the author in a dream, apparently.

Was this particular mountain of ignorance actually published or were you proofreading some 19 year old Wiccan's NANOWRIMO submission?

re: #172 Sharmuta

And it's been highly effective, imo. But then- not insulting people regularly can do that.

Disagree without being disagreeable. Advice I had given a long long time ago!

re: #173 Killgore Trout

So I haven't missed anything by not venturing over there?

re: #175 ArchangelMichael

Was this particular mountain of ignorance actually published or were you proofreading some 19 year old Wiccan's NANOWRIMO submission?

It was published. For real. A dear friend bought it for me, I can't remember why, probably because she felt I didn't scream enough in my daily life. We would read it aloud to each other and shriek hysterically.

re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist

It was published. For real. A dear friend bought it for me, I can't remember why, probably because she felt I didn't scream enough in my daily life. We would read it aloud to each other and shriek hysterically.

Do you remember the title?

re: #179 Jadespring

Do you remember the title?

"The Celtic Heart" IIRC.

re: #167 Obdicut

I've been trying to take up some of the AGW slack while you were gone, as have quite a few others.

Including Charles himself. He's relentless. It's kinda nifty.

I am so thrilled to see it. And I am deeply grateful to Charles for spending the time he has on the issue.

We really are in a critical time, where changes we make *now* can stave off catastrophe. But we have to start acting *now*.

When I say that, it is with the full realization that we can not do all we need to overnight

It will take some years of planning and implementation.

We don't have 30 years to sorta kinda kick it down the road and then start.

So I am deeply grateful to anyone with exposure who does his or her best to get the facts out. It is a long shot, but the only shot we really have, is if people get it and demand action. If people get it and toss out the politicians who are lying about the science. If every congress critter believed that they would be tossed on their ear as quickly as if they were caught in a compromising position with a boy-scout, for lying about the science and not acting, we would have the process start rolling overnight.

The truth is, that even if they did believe that we could not complete the process overnight. That is why all efforts to start something now are needed.

re: #173 Killgore Trout

On Tiger Woods...

Tiger Chettah Woods.

portlandon on December 10, 2009 at 6:24 PM

Cheetah was the monkey from the old Tarzan movies.

re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist

Moral underpinnings? They want to restore the 'free market meaning' of the parables!

Am I my brother's keeper? What is the going rate on being kept?

re: #177 soxfan4life

So I haven't missed anything by not venturing over there?

Nope, the racism seems to be getting worse.

Well, my office has all but cleared out for the day. Guess it's a good time to sneak out of here.
Be back tonight, probably.

re: #184 Killgore Trout

Nope, the racism seems to be getting worse.

That's what happens when you play host to racists like Stacy McCain.

re: #182 Killgore Trout

Even Charles made a comment that Tiger is a cheetah.

Alex Castellanos just on CNN counting the number of times Obama says "I" and saying that makes him "intellectually arrogant." More mindlessness, more GOP numerology and gibberish to match their creationism and flat-earthing. If astrologers voted Republican, the GOP mouthpieces would be reading Obama's horoscope as a talking point on cable news.

re: #182 Killgore Trout

I think I would give this one the benefit of the doubt that it's a straight across feline-to-feline conversion.

Unless the writer made some other Tarzan reference.

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

"The Celtic Heart" IIRC.

I was right.

re: #188 WindUpBird

Damn liberal media.

re: #188 WindUpBird

Counting the number of times he says I in his nobel acceptance speech, that is.

he laughs like some kind of evil cartoon person

re: #187 soxfan4life

Even Charles made a comment that Tiger is a cheetah.

Even Charles made a comment that Tiger is a cheetah.

Ah, ok. I didn't catch the big cat reference. My mistake.

re: #192 WindUpBird

Counting the number of times he says I in his nobel acceptance speech, that is.

That's all they got?

re: #192 WindUpBird

Counting the number of times he says I in his nobel acceptance speech, that is.

Ah yes. CNN. The bastion of liberal media.

re: #189 EmmmieG

I think after reading another comment calling Obama Buckwheat I think I must have had old movies on my mind. My mistake.

re: #194 Killgore Trout

I sure wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now, his lawyer though is a different story.

re: #182 Killgore Trout

On Tiger Woods...

Cheetah was the monkey from the old Tarzan movies.

Whoa, I never would have gotten that reference. I guess some racists are better at it than others.

re: #195 Stanley Sea

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

That's what I would expect from Fox News Channel.

re: #188 WindUpBird

Everyone knows personal pronouns have a strong liberal bias. You're not fooling anyone.

re: #198 soxfan4life

He'll be fine. He'll still be plenty rich and once he gets rid of his wife he can bang all the chicks he wants.

re: #197 Killgore Trout

I think after reading another comment calling Obama Buckwheat I think I must have had old movies on my mind. My mistake.

Your a better man than I am for going over there and braving the bile.

/Then again, I'm not a man.

re: #191 wozzablog

Damn liberal media.

re: #151 cliffster

Of course. I'd just pull an Obama. "Hey, all that happened before I took Tiger over."

We call those facts: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

"A forthcoming study by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities concludes that the $1.4 trillion annual deficit run by the government has little to do with current White House policies and much to do with George W. Bush's actions.

"What we have looked at were several major contributors to the deficit: the tax cuts between 2001 and 2003 (on the assumption they get extended in 2010), the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the effects of the recession as well as the legislative response to the recession," James Horney, director of federal fiscal policy at the Center, told the Huffington Post. "When you take those things into account -- in other words, if we hadn't enacted the tax cuts, had the wars, if we hadn't had the recession and needed the legislation to deal with those problems -- the deficits are much, much lower. And basically none of those represent Obama's policies."

re: #199 baier

Whoa, I never would have gotten that reference. I guess some racists are better at it than others.

The commenter on Ace, not you Kilgore:)

re: #188 WindUpBird

Alex Castellanos just on CNN counting the number of times Obama says "I" and saying that makes him "intellectually arrogant." More mindlessness, more GOP numerology and gibberish to match their creationism and flat-earthing. If astrologers voted Republican, the GOP mouthpieces would be reading Obama's horoscope as a talking point on cable news.

I had another piece I linked here where some conservatives had more kind things to say. AND there's a word count.

OT--Godiva now sells baked desserts.

/Is this evidence of a God, or of Satan?

Black Holes were in the category Liberal Psuedoscience right next to Moral Relativism.

I wish I were that funny.

re: #207 EmmmieG

Chocolate is proof that God loves us.

re: #209 Sharmuta

Chocolate is proof that God loves us.

Yeah, but the word temptation enters in big time here.

re: #202 Killgore Trout

He'll be fine. He'll still be plenty rich and once he gets rid of his wife he can bang all the chicks he wants.

Maybe..Few people humiliate themselves in front of 6 billion people and come out ok mentally..He messed up bad...Money, power, ego and 11 mistresses..
It may not turn out well for him.

re: #188 WindUpBird

Alex Castellanos just on CNN counting the number of times Obama says "I" and saying that makes him "intellectually arrogant." More mindlessness, more GOP numerology and gibberish to match their creationism and flat-earthing. If astrologers voted Republican, the GOP mouthpieces would be reading Obama's horoscope as a talking point on cable news.

Because, let's say that there was even substance to this crap... being intellectual is bad.

I never understood how the wingnut rank and file could fail to se the admission of their own stupidity by assuming that smart people aren't them.

Ohhh, just answered my own question. Smart people *aren't* them. That is why they hate smart folks so much. Smart folks remind them of how dumb they are.

If that is too harsh, then let me ask, what is wrong with being smart? Why would it bug you?

If Mohammed Ali, in his prime, came up to you and said, "you know, I could whup your ass" and you name isn't Frazier, then guess what? He is right! Are you upset about that? Does it bother you that he could whup you, or that Jesse Owens could outrun you? Does it bother you that Vladimir Horrowitz played piano better than you?

Does this statement of fact really hurt?

Ali could whup me, black belt and all. He would wipe the floor with me.

Owens could run a track three times in the time it takes me to do it once.

I can't even play the piano.

And there is no shame in admitting that.

Yet, the wingnuts take great offence at smart people who have read books and know more than they do. If Einstein said, you know, I'm probably a lot smarter than you... the response is who does he think he is!?!

It's one thing to have nerd pride. It is another entirely to be proud of ignorance and stupidity.

re: #210 EmmmieG

Yeah, but the word temptation enters in big time here.

There is no temptation- chocolate is good for you.

Key senators release details on discussions of emissions cap

re: #213 Sharmuta

There is no temptation- chocolate is good for you.

Chocolate, yes. Chocolate contains anti-oxidants and is from a bean.

I'm thinking of the fat and sugar involved.

Sigh.

re: #212 LudwigVanQuixote

well in fairness there are some truly awful, yet technically smart people.

You know the kind, they say 'well actually...' to take all the fun out of your stories and quote Monty Python and the Holy Grail too much.

re: #215 EmmmieG

Chocolate, yes. Chocolate contains anti-oxidants and is from a bean.

I'm thinking of the fat and sugar involved.

Sigh.

How to Get your Chocolate Fix and STILL Lose Weight

You're welcome- all of you.

re: #190 SanFranciscoZionist

I was right.

Yeah I found it and then looked at some reviews. I won't tell you how many talked about it's great historical accuracy. Ouch.

Anyways I was just wondering because I have an interest in Celtic history and the whole Celtic phenomenon in general and it's portrayal in fiction and popular culture.

I had a pumpkin argument once with someone who was attempting an
'authentic' Celtic celebration of Halloween. I told her that she should at least use a vegetable that actually existed in the region at the time. :)

re: #187 soxfan4life

Makes me wonder if he hooked up with any cougars.

/

re: #218 Jadespring

Yeah I found it and then looked at some reviews. I won't tell you how many talked about it's great historical accuracy. Ouch.

Anyways I was just wondering because I have an interest in Celtic history and the whole Celtic phenomenon in general and it's portrayal in fiction and popular culture.

I had a pumpkin argument once with someone who was attempting an
'authentic' Celtic celebration of Halloween. I told her that she should at least use a vegetable that actually existed in the region at the time. :)

American Celts eat pumpkins, so I suppose they could be considered authentic in that light. :)

re: #212 LudwigVanQuixote

Wingnuts don't care for intelligence as much as they care for "gut feeling" - they know things in their gut. And if they know it in their gut they don't have to know it in their brain.

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

The Boston Celtics bounce a bright orange sphere on a polished wooden surface, so I guess that could be considered 'authentic'.

re: #218 Jadespring

Yeah I found it and then looked at some reviews. I won't tell you how many talked about it's great historical accuracy. Ouch.

Anyways I was just wondering because I have an interest in Celtic history and the whole Celtic phenomenon in general and it's portrayal in fiction and popular culture.

I had a pumpkin argument once with someone who was attempting an
'authentic' Celtic celebration of Halloween. I told her that she should at least use a vegetable that actually existed in the region at the time. :)

Turnips? Hard to imagine The Headless Horseman of Sleepy Hallow with his Turnip Head.

Oh joy...I had no idea the last ture patriot decided to grace us with his presence.

re: #212 LudwigVanQuixote

Welcome back. I missed you. :)

re: #202 Killgore Trout

He'll be fine. He'll still be plenty rich and once he gets rid of his wife he can bang all the chicks he wants.

His quest for birdies led to multiple holes-in-one. For some guys, cheating is just par for the course.

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

American Celts eat pumpkins, so I suppose they could be considered authentic in that light. :)

Well yeah. :) She was trying to recreate the olden days though. It was pretty funny as she just refused to even believe that pumpkins were New World not Old World because the pumpkin tradition was talked about in ancient Celtic texts.

re: #224 Fenway_Nation

true, even.

That's how overjoyed I am to see LVQ back ready to tell me how ignorant and wrong I am for the high crime of disagreeing with him. Can't even get the monosyllabic words right.

re: #223 EmmmieG

Turnips? Hard to imagine The Headless Horseman of Sleepy Hallow with his Turnip Head.

Lol. That's a funny image.

re: #228 Fenway_Nation

Monosyllabic has five syllables, ironic, no?

re: #223 EmmmieG

It's the great turnip, Charlie Brown!

re: #231 Fenway_Nation

That is a heresy against the Great Pumpkin

re: #221 wozzablog

Wingnuts don't care for intelligence as much as they care for "gut feeling" - they know things in their gut. And if they know it in their gut they don't have to know it in their brain.

brilliant observation...so who are the wingnuts again?

Obama must have made a good Noble speech, even Palin couldn't slam it.

speech comments..

re: #216 windsagio

well in fairness there are some truly awful, yet technically smart people.

You know the kind, they say 'well actually...' to take all the fun out of your stories and quote Monty Python and the Holy Grail too much.

You are totally correct. Smart does not equal good. Smart does not equal kind. It does not equal moral.

Or funny, or hip or always relevant either.

However, it is a requisite for being a good leader. It's not the only requisite by a long shot. But it should be a minimum requirement.

I would not trust Palin to understand how to do algebra. Economics is a lot more complex than algebra is. I would not trust her to know the difference between a Sunni and a Shia - let alone the history involved. How could she possibly get a handle on the Mid East? How can I trust her to understand a complex situation and even have a prayer of making the correct call when she could not show basic proficiency in what I would expect a reasonable highschooler to know?

Yet her selling point is I'm just as ditsy as you! But that's ok, I have the guts to make the calls anyway! Who needs all that smarts and education?

It's pathetic.

Would you hire a surgeon who did not know what the organs in the body were?

Would (s)he even get a job?

Yet, for the most important job in the world, the right wing *selling point* is "I am just as unqualified as you for the job"!

re: #230 wozzablog

Well...you see, I'm all a-quiver at LVQ's stunning intelligence and sincere and unflagging love for this great republic, which is only matched by his deft online debating tactics and people skills, that I literally sweat the small stuff.

re: #230 wozzablog

Monosyllabic has five syllables, ironic, no?

Yes, and I can never remember what "mnemonic" means.

re: #221 wozzablog

Wingnuts don't care for intelligence as much as they care for "gut feeling" - they know things in their gut. And if they know it in their gut they don't have to know it in their brain.

Yeah that's my point. In the past, that attitude was called stupid.

re: #225 Alouette

Welcome back. I missed you. :)

Glad to be here. I was working really hard.

Conservative praise for Nobel speech

Gingrich told The Takeaway, a national morning drive show from WNYC and Public Radio International, “He clearly understood that he had been given the prize prematurely, but he used it as an occasion to remind people, first of all, as he said: that there is evil in the world."

“I think having a liberal president who goes to Oslo on behalf of a peace prize and reminds the committee that they would not be free, they wouldn't be able to have a peace prize, without having [the ability to use] force,” Gingrich said. “I thought in some ways it's a very historic speech.”

“Wow. what a shift of emphasis,” said Robert Kagan of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a former policy advisor to McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign. Kagan said. “I don't know what to say about an ‘Obama doctrine,’ because based on this speech, I think we are witnessing a substantial shift, back in the direction of a more muscular moralism, ala, Truman, Reagan.”

re: #235 LudwigVanQuixote

Well of course. I'm not arguin' with ya >

re: #232 wozzablog

That is a heresy against the Great Pumpkin

Uh-oh...does the great pumpkin require another blood sacrifice?

Another goat and chicken probably won't do it this time around. Wonder if we should slip a mickey into Snoopy's dog food. Or Woodstock's birdseed.
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re: #241 windsagio

Well of course. I'm not arguin' with ya >

Didn't think you were buddy :)

re: #242 Fenway_Nation

Uh-oh...does the great pumpkin require another blood sacrifice?

Another goat and chicken probably won't do it this time around. Wonder if we should slip a mickey into Snoopy's dog food. Or Woodstock's birdseed.
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Back away from Snoopy and Woodstock. Go for Lucy.

re: #233 albusteve

The polar opposite of the ivy league pie in the sky bleeding heart liberal moonbats...

Simples.

They are the epitome of the anti-science crowd.

The wingnuts are the 20% who stuck with Bush to the end - and who then went on to embrace Palin, Bachman, Beck and tea partyism. People who got off the bus after Bush are generally excluded.

re: #240 Sharmuta

Conservative praise for Nobel speech

“The irony is that George W. Bush could have delivered the very same speech. It was a truly an American president's message to the world,” said Bradley A. Blakeman, a Republican strategist and CEO of Kent Strategies LLC who worked in the Bush White House.

re: #246 Sharmuta

Would Obama be dodging the latest in men's Arabic footwear?

re: #245 wozzablog

The polar opposite of the ivy league pie in the sky bleeding heart liberal moonbats...

Simples.

They are the epitome of the anti-science crowd.

The wingnuts are the 20% who stuck with Bush to the end - and who then went on to embrace Palin, Bachman, Beck and tea partyism. People who got off the bus after Bush are generally excluded.

good thanks...have to have these profiles shored up for the upcoming slapfest...haha!

re: #244 Cathypop

Back away from Snoopy and Woodstock. Go for Lucy.

Won't Linus and Schroder notice that she's missing?

Or...maybe they can provide an alibi. ///

re: #224 Fenway_Nation

Oh joy...I had no idea the last ture patriot decided to grace us with his presence.

I missed you too!
re: #236 Fenway_Nation

Funny how that quote cam ein the middle of how right wing nuts hate smart people because they aren't... Good to see you are still at top form :)

re: #249 Fenway_Nation

Won't Linus and Schroder notice that she's missing?

Or...maybe they can provide an alibi. ///

Those guys will probably pay you to take her.

re: #244 Cathypop

Oh.good.grief.

re: #234 avanti

Obama must have made a good Noble speech, even Palin couldn't slam it.

speech comments..

I have to pipe in - apparently the media is editing her comments. Here's part of the comment - from Darth's post in the last thread (don't know how to link previous comments into new thread yet..)

Palin: "I liked what he said, in fact, I thumbed through my book quickly this morning to say 'Wow, that that sounded really familiar' because I talked in my book too about the fallen nature of man and why war is necessary at times and history's lessons when it comes to knowing what it is that we engage in warfare and a couple of the other things he said were I thought, wow, those were a ni-nice, a broad message so broad I just wrote about those and a lot of Americans right now are getting to read off of my take on when war is necessary."

re: #62 SixDegrees

How the current collection of writings was assembled into the Bible is a fascinating historical tale that researchers are still unraveling. Wikipedia has several good articles on it.

For a close look at some of the material that was left out, I'd heartily recommend The Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagel, one of the leading researchers in this area. She has several other books on very early Christian texts that are worthwhile reading, too.

I'd quibble and recommend The Nag Hammadi Codices instead of Pagels. She got imprinted with the gnostic texts, and lacks scholarly distance from them. I mean, no one will go far wrong reading her, but still...