It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like a War on Christmas

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Well, it’s the Christmas season, and you know what that means — time for the annual War on Christmas! Bill O’Reilly’s ramping up to cover one outrageous story of horrible persecution after another, with a flashy animated rotating “War on Christmas” logo, as atheists and pagans do their best to destroy religion in America! They’re evil and they must be stopped before it’s too late!

Luckily for us all, brave tea party patriots in Redding, California (in a group called the Redding Tea Party Patriots) have teamed up with substitute teacher Merry Hyatt to fight back against the tide of godless heathens, with an initiative to make the playing of Christmas carols in public schools mandatory. Yes, really.

“Bottom line is Christmas is about Christmas,” said Erin Ryan, president of the Redding Tea Party Patriots. “That’s why we have it. It’s not about winter solstice or Kwanzaa. It’s like, ‘wow you guys, it’s called Christmas for a reason.’ “

Ryan said Hyatt’s initiative falls under the umbrella of causes the group supports, which concern limited government, following the constitution and fiscal responsibility.

Because nothing says “limited government” and “following the constitution” like using the power of the government to force your own religious beliefs into public schools!

Maybe the Redding Tea Party Patriots might need a little refresher course in the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. But their hearts are in the right place — well, actually, no, they’re not.

“I have two words to say about Ms. Hyatt’s proposal: blatantly unconstitutional,” said Rob Boston, senior policy analyst for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which is based in Washington, D.C., and has a local chapter in Sacramento.

Boston said he heard about the initiative in the news, which isn’t surprising considering national newspapers such as The New York Times have published articles on Hyatt’s efforts.

“In the unlikely event she got enough signatures to put it on the ballot and the even more unlikely event California passed it, it would be struck down by the courts,” Boston said. “The courts have been very clear that public schools aren’t supposed to be in the business of promoting or advocating religion.”

Boston said he thinks Hyatt’s initiative represents a larger issue of religious conservatives being unhappy with the changes resulting from American society becoming more diverse. “The frustration some religious conservatives have is they want a mythological religious America that probably never existed,” he said.

Of course, he would say that — he’s an evil godless heathen!

Hyatt, a substitute teacher who moved to Redding from Riverside, said her motivation for the initiative was to help restore children’s moral compasses by inviting Jesus to school Christmas parties.

“He’s the prince of peace; he’s the only one who can get these kids to stop being so violent,” she said in November.

Watch out if He gets into the egg nog, though.

UPDATE at 12/10/09 5:22:24 pm:

Did you know that the “War on Christmas” meme was started by a white supremacist? Isn’t that special? (Hat tip: Sharmuta.)

Before it became part of mainstream conservative punditry, the leading proponent of the War on Christmas was a former magazine writer and editor named Peter Brimelow. A virulent anti-immigration crusader whose views were considered extreme by mainstream conservative journals like National Review, Brimelow founded a website called vdare.com that soon was at the forefront of the fight to sanctify Christmas cheer. Beginning in 1999, Brimelow ran a competition to spotlight offenders in the War on Christmas. The inaugural villain was the Department of Housing and Urban Development, which earned the dubious honor for hosting a holiday party dubbed “A Celebration of Holiday Traditions.” The following year, amazon.com became a target of Brimelow’s wrath for subjecting consumers to the nondenominational greeting “Happy Holidays!” (In 2003, VDare was classified as a “hate group” by the Southern Poverty Law Center for providing a platform for white nationalist viewpoints.)

And who else writes for white supremacist site vdare.com? Why, Michelle Malkin, of course! Ho ho ho!

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494 comments
1 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:06:08pm

Watch out if He gets into the egg nog, though.

Egg Nog is for people who don't know how to mix a drink. Just sayin'.

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:06:30pm

Well, Christmas is getting more and more violent...

3 davinvalkri  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:08:23pm

Well, they do say "have a [holly] jolly Christmas"...
and I'm laughing at these guys...is that wrong?

4 iheartbolton  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:08:59pm

Stossel is doing a climate change piece on FBN - for an hour I guess.
8pm EST anyway

5 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:09:19pm

Anyone who lets a sign on a bus upset her needs to have a bit more faith.

6 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:10:09pm

It's OK with me if they make the kiddies sing Christmas carols, as long as they include Mr. Garrison:

7 albusteve  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:12:33pm

excellent post...pass the eggnog

8 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:13:42pm

re: #6 SixDegrees

I love that song. South Park is comedy gold!

9 Racer X  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:13:52pm

re: #6 SixDegrees

It's OK with me if they make the kiddies sing Christmas carols, as long as they include Mr. Garrison:


[Video]

Best.
Video.
Ever.

10 Big Steve  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:13:53pm

When I was in high school in Northern Ohio a friend of mine was an excellent and serious artist. There was a huge meadow in our town and for years he would do a snow statue or scene. All of us would help by shoveling huge mounds of snow to the center. He would do most of the carving but the rest of us would help with his direction. When done, depending on the weather it would last a week or two and people would drive for miles to see it.

Our senior year, his tableau was two snow forts with a snow Santa in one and a snow Jesus in the other and they were cheerfully having a snow ball fight. It was outstanding work and clearly whimsical. Man o man you should have heard the screaming, especially from the local church pastors. Within a few days a local puritan took a snowblower to it.

The following two years, since my parents had a large front yard clearly visible from town, he did his art work in our yard and believe me they were far more scandalous and there may have been bosomy elves partially naked involved. My father, never one for religion, enjoyed the hell out of telling complainers to piss off.

11 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:14:33pm

The right is in full blown bus plunge mode these days.

12 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:15:23pm

In related news I found out today that North Carolina has a law that restricts office-holders to people who believe in God. Atheists need not apply.

In the end they did decide to seat him. Still makes me wonder why religious people are the ones who feel threatened.

13 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:15:30pm

And here's a whole medley of South Park Christmas songs, including the first one that sounds like it was inspired by today's story, as it's set in the classroom:

14 Mark Pennington  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:16:17pm

re: #7 albusteve

excellent post...pass the eggnog

hear, hear!

15 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:16:17pm

The "War on Christmas" got it's start with White Supremacist Peter Brimelow of Vdare fame:

A Brief History of The War on Christmas

Before it became part of mainstream conservative punditry, the leading proponent of the War on Christmas was a former magazine writer and editor named Peter Brimelow. A virulent anti-immigration crusader whose views were considered extreme by mainstream conservative journals like National Review, Brimelow founded a website called VDare.com that soon was at the forefront of the fight to sanctify Christmas cheer. Beginning in 1999, Brimelow ran a competition to spotlight offenders in the War on Christmas. The inaugural villain was the Department of Housing and Urban Development, which earned the dubious honor for hosting a holiday party dubbed "A Celebration of Holiday Traditions." The following year, Amazon.com became a target of Brimelow's wrath for subjecting consumers to the nondenominational greeting "Happy Holidays!" (In 2003, VDare was classified as a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center for providing a platform for white nationalist viewpoints.)

16 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:16:33pm

re: #9 Racer X

Best.
Video.
Ever.

I wish South Park was still available on YouTube.

Or that Charles would figure out how to embed the videos from the South Park Studios site (hint hint).

17 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:16:36pm

re: #5 MandyManners

Anyone who lets a sign on a bus upset her needs to have a bit more faith.

I really don't care too much what anyone puts on my bus unless it goes boom. I don't want no boom on my bus.

18 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:16:55pm

Tautology alert! All snakes must immediately bite their tails!

“Bottom line is Christmas is about Christmas,” said Erin Ryan, president of the Redding Tea Party Patriots.

No, it's not. It's about Christ. Can't even get something that simple straight, these idiot fundies.

19 recusancy  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:18:01pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

The "War on Christmas" got it's start with White Supremacist Peter Brimelow of Vdare fame:

A Brief History of The War on Christmas

Que interesante.

20 Mich-again  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:18:40pm

re: #5 MandyManners

Anyone who lets a sign on a bus upset her needs to have a bit more faith.

Faith burdened with an inferiority complex.

21 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:19:08pm

re: #18 Cato the Elder

Tautology alert! All snakes must immediately bite their tails!


No, it's not. It's about Christ. Can't even get something that simple straight, these idiot fundies.

No, it's not. We don't know WHEN Christ was born.

22 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:19:46pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

The "War on Christmas" got it's start with White Supremacist Peter Brimelow of Vdare fame:

A Brief History of The War on Christmas

I did not know that. One update, comin' up.

23 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:21:51pm

re: #9 Racer X

Best.
Video.
Ever.

I like Christmas in Hell.

24 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:21:57pm
Hyatt, a substitute teacher who moved to Redding from Riverside, said her motivation for the initiative was to help restore children’s moral compasses by inviting Jesus to school Christmas parties.

“He’s the prince of peace; he’s the only one who can get these kids to stop being so violent,” she said in November.

It is impossible to parody this, it is already a parody of Christianity, she just doesn't realize it.

25 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:24:10pm

re: #22 Charles

I did not know that. One update, comin' up.

I was surprised to learn it myself, but when I consider the Christian Identity movement, it makes a lot more sense.

26 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:24:34pm

re: #17 brookly red

in which case keep it above 50mph at all times...

27 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:24:59pm

re: #22 Charles

And thanks for the hat tip.

28 dwells38  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:27:18pm

Nice post! Very snarky and funny and I totally agree.

29 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:28:19pm

re: #23 Alouette

I like Christmas in Hell.

LOL! Never seen that one before. Excellent!

If anyone near Redding wants to put together a glee club and belt out a medley of these tunes near the Tea Party offices, I'd happily toss a few bucks their way.

30 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:28:54pm

re: #26 wozzablog

in which case keep it above 50mph at all times...

this is NYC not LA, if the bus is actually moving faster than the pedestrians, it's grounds for a fare hike.

31 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:29:12pm
Hyatt, a substitute teacher who moved to Redding from Riverside, said her motivation for the initiative was to help restore children’s moral compasses by inviting Jesus to school Christmas parties.

Well, Ms. Hyatt, let us know if he shows up and by all means don't forget to get pictures.

Speaking of academic celebrations, the godless heathens and infidels here at the Lubbock Interplanetary Alien Research Service (L.I.A.R.S.) had planned to celebrate the solstice by sacrificing a virgin to Cthulhu. Unfortunately this is Texas Tech so we had to settle for a unicorn.

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:30:29pm

Ann Coulter once commented that saying "Merry Christmas" was like saying "Fuck you".

I'm unimpressed with her holiday spirit, to say the least.

33 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:30:50pm

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel

(snip)Unfortunately this is Texas Tech so we had to settle for a unicorn.

Did you check the guys in IT?

34 wrenchwench  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:31:09pm

My atheist brother sent me this.

35 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:31:24pm

Did y'all notice that this Hyatt person's first name is Merry?

36 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:31:36pm

re: #30 brookly red

As a londoner i empathise.

However - in the dead of night if you catch the last bus through the business district full of blind corners and narrow streets the driver often gives it full pelt... it's quite a trip with three near death experiences being the absolute minimum.

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:33:49pm

re: #36 wozzablog

As a londoner i empathise.

However - in the dead of night if you catch the last bus through the business district full of blind corners and narrow streets the driver often gives it full pelt... it's quite a trip with three near death experiences being the absolute minimum.

My experience with London buses suggests that the Knight Bus from Harry Potter is not all that fantastical, except that no one ever offered me a cocoa or a toothbrush.

38 Soap_Man  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:33:59pm

Charles, I'm pleased you decided to have a thread about this.

I was raised Catholic and many of my uncles, aunts and cousins (on my dad's side) remain pretty religious, although my dad is pretty much an agnostic.

But with all of the very vocal and opinionated religious people in my family, I have never heard them complain, not ONCE, about this so-called War on Christmas. It seems like Bill-O and the big time pastors like to complain, but I've never heard a regular person bitch about an employee telling them "Happy Holidays."

And by the way, did anyone notice that Bill-O sells "War on Christmas" products, like shirts and bumper stickers? Looks like capitalism is alive and well this "holiday" season!

39 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:34:25pm

re: #36 wozzablog

As a londoner i empathise.

However - in the dead of night if you catch the last bus through the business district full of blind corners and narrow streets the driver often gives it full pelt... it's quite a trip with three near death experiences being the absolute minimum.

what is this last bus biz no 24/7 transit?

40 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:34:41pm

re: #36 wozzablog

As a londoner i empathise.

However - in the dead of night if you catch the last bus through the business district full of blind corners and narrow streets the driver often gives it full pelt... it's quite a trip with three near death experiences being the absolute minimum.

Our town in Italy had a main avenue that was marked "One Way Except for Taxis and Busses." It actually worked as well as the other streets.

41 davesax  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:36:08pm

And you know who these people really mean when they start ranting about the "secularists" in the media.

42 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:36:15pm

re: #38 Soap_Man

last year during Bill'Os rants fox were advertising their "holiday store"...


(palm face)

43 Soap_Man  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:36:54pm

re: #42 wozzablog

last year during Bill'Os rants fox were advertising their "holiday store"...

(palm face)

hahaha. Didn't notice that!

44 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:37:37pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

Ann Coulter once commented that saying "Merry Christmas" was like saying "Fuck you".

I'm unimpressed with her holiday spirit, to say the least.

What in the world was she talking about?

45 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:37:51pm

Maybe the Teabaggers could get Orrin Hatch to write them a special carol.

Pretty catchy. Beats the hell out of "Dreidel, dreidel, dreidel."

46 bubba zanetti  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:38:06pm

I'm sad to say I live in Redding. But for some real fun, check out today's Letters to the Editor, paying special attention to the comments section.

47 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:38:18pm

re: #44 MandyManners

What in the world was she talking about?

I was just going to ask that myself. WTF?

48 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:38:34pm

re: #21 MandyManners

No, it's not. We don't know WHEN Christ was born.

Granted. That has no bearing on the holiday designated to celebrate his birth, however. It's still about him. Sort of.

That's yet another point where the fundies are wrong. Of course it's about the solstice, you tools. Christmas is a Christianized solstice festival.

49 HillJack  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:38:49pm

re: #21 MandyManners

No, it's not. We don't know WHEN Christ was born.

Yes it is. It was more than likely begun by the early church to coincide with either the Roman feast of Saturnalia which occured on Dec 17 or the winter solstice. The word Christmas derived from "Christ Mass". Over time it has evolved into not only a Christian holiday but a sectarian one as well. So for some people it is not a celebration of the birth of Christ but it certainly began that way.

50 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:38:51pm

re: #44 MandyManners

What in the world was she talking about?

/the upper west side I think...

51 stevemcg  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:39:58pm

How 'bout them conservatives looking to the government to solve their problem?!? If you want your kids to sing Christmas carols in school, send them to Catholic school. JFnC.

52 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:39:59pm

re: #39 brookly red

There are small parts of the business district which have no service between 1am and 5am... because nothing happens.

There are plenty of overnight buses to the popular parts.

No underground or overground trains past about 1am though unfortunately.

53 political lunatic  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:40:07pm

I consider myself pretty religious in spite of the fact that I don't go to church or read the Bible. However, things like this always turn me away from religion. I think we're living in Crusades 2.0.

54 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:40:38pm

re: #50 brookly red

/the upper west side I think...

Are the people there really as zany as they get made out to be?

55 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:42:47pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

Are the people there really as zany as they get made out to be?

Loved it in the '60s.

56 dwells38  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:43:52pm

re: #15 Sharmuta

Just want to make a point Sharmuta...

I know you're just making conversation and I also know Fox News has been furiously pandering to the whacko religious right of late. OK farther back than of late.

But I just want to point out that O'Reilly's position comes from his Catholicism and his knee-jerk opposition to the anti-Christian left (remember many will apologize for the ROP).

In fact except for this annual foray into hyperbolic Christian defensiveness and despite his overbearing personality O'Reilly, being a product of the mainstream media is somewhat saner than a few others over there on Fox and I'm sure you can imagine those to whom I'm referring.

And of course being an athiest I don't really have a dog in this fight except I can't stand when lefties act like Christian fundies are anywhere near as dangerous and virulent as violent Islamists which intend the demise of Western culture.

Anyway if you intended no link then no harm/foul. I just felt it needed saying in the interest of fairness.

Still updinging your post as it was interesting information.

57 jaunte  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:43:52pm
In his 1995 book, Alien Nation, Brimelow argued that the influx of “weird aliens with dubious habits” from developing nations was eroding America’s white Christian “ethnic core,” and in turn, sullying its cultural underpinnings. The War on Christmas was, in his view, a particularly pernicious iteration of the multicultural “struggle to abolish America.”[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

What kind of a name is Brimelow? Sounds immigrant-ish.

58 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:43:56pm

re: #53 political lunatic

I consider myself pretty religious in spite of the fact that I don't go to church or read the Bible. However, things like this always turn me away from religion. I think we're living in Crusades 2.0.

Religion hung Jesus on the Cross.. It is in your heart that you find comfort in God...It is there God will find you...
/I'm feeling all Christmasy tonight

59 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:43:58pm

re: #53 political lunatic

I consider myself pretty religious in spite of the fact that I don't go to church or read the Bible. However, things like this always turn me away from religion. I think we're living in Crusades 2.0.

You're not as alone as you might think:

Americans Surprisingly Flexible About Religion and Faith

According to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, nearly six in 10 Americans from all religions blend their faith with New Age and Eastern beliefs, like astrology, reincarnation, and the spiritual – not just physical – benefits of yoga.

I think this is one reason why the "war on Christmas" will gain little traction. I agree with Soap_Man's #38- I don't feel as though there is some sinister plot to suppress Christmas. It's just laughable.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:44:13pm

A brief report from the public schools of California, BTW:

I attended public school in the 1980s. Experiences with Christmas music included being allowed to be the announcer for the heavily religious-themed school play because I was a Jew, and learning to sing such seasonal non-denomination, non-religious favorites as "The Holly and the Ivy", "Silent Night" and "The First Noel" (in French, that last one! Classy!) Along, of course, with a ton of more 'secular' material, candy canes, Christmas parties, Santa, elves, trees, wreaths, etc. etc. The highlight of our winter each year in high school was the giant wonking Christmas assembly, at which

I also taught at public schools in California for three and a half years, beginning in 2004. We had Christmas trees, Christmas assemblies, Christmas music--nothing quite like watching a Muslim girl in hijab play first flute in the chamber music rendition of "Joy to the World" and "Silent Night"--and once again, more goddamn candy canes than I can count.

I am forced to conclude that these folks are not content with this state of affairs, and have decided that they want to be allowed to teach their religion--and their religion alone--in the public schools. And that, they are not allowed to do.

Can I also comment that the Christmas season is far less ostentatious at the Catholic schools I have taught at, than at the public ones?

61 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:44:34pm

re: #49 HillJack

Yes it is. It was more than likely begun by the early church to coincide with either the Roman feast of Saturnalia which occured on Dec 17 or the winter solstice. The word Christmas derived from "Christ Mass". Over time it has evolved into not only a Christian holiday but a sectarian one as well. So for some people it is not a celebration of the birth of Christ but it certainly began that way.

Mandy is correct, however, that there isn't even a clue as to the season Jesus might have been born in. The connection with the solstice and festivals surrounding that event is obvious - the time, a few days following the solstice when the sun's reversal and upward ascent would be obvious to anyone is just too loaded with symbolism that dovetails tightly with Christian themes that it was an obvious choice, but there's no historical evidence to support the idea that Jesus was actually born at this time of year.

62 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:44:39pm

re: #49 HillJack

Yes it is. It was more than likely begun by the early church to coincide with either the Roman feast of Saturnalia which occured on Dec 17 or the winter solstice. The word Christmas derived from "Christ Mass". Over time it has evolved into not only a Christian holiday but a sectarian one as well. So for some people it is not a celebration of the birth of Christ but it certainly began that way.

Where in the Bible are we commanded to celebrate his birth?

63 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:44:53pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

Are the people there really as zany as they get made out to be?

Some folks really do get offended if you wish them a merry Christmas, especially if you are on some government property such as a post office. Zany does apply I am afraid.

64 HillJack  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:44:57pm

re: #44 MandyManners

What in the world was she talking about?

If I am not mistaken, the gist of it was that saying "Merry Christmas" to a Liberal was like saying "F*** You".

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:45:07pm

re: #41 davesax

And you know who these people really mean when they start ranting about the "secularists" in the media.

Yes. We know. I is one. And to them, I say "Merry fucking Christmas to you!"

66 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:45:25pm

You know the absolute worst thing about the war on Christmas?

You have to wait almost a whole year to restart it.

67 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:45:57pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

I was educated in Catholic schools and have to completely agree.

68 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:45:59pm

re: #56 dwells38

I didn't link that as a criticism of O'Reilly at all. I wanted to point out this movement was started by a racist.

69 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:46:30pm

re: #66 b_sharp

You know the absolute worst thing about the war on Christmas?

You have to wait almost a whole year to restart it.

Feels like a bit of a quagmire if you ask me.

70 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:46:36pm

re: #63 brookly red

Some folks really do get offended if you wish them a merry Christmas, especially if you are on some government property such as a post office. Zany does apply I am afraid.

Then I guess they'd just be offended, because I don't intend to stop saying that. I also enjoy offending that kind of leftist.

71 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:46:59pm

re: #56 dwells38

Just want to make a point Sharmuta...

I know you're just making conversation and I also know Fox News has been furiously pandering to the whacko religious right of late. OK farther back than of late.

But I just want to point out that O'Reilly's position comes from his Catholicism and his knee-jerk opposition to the anti-Christian left (remember many will apologize for the ROP).

In fact except for this annual foray into hyperbolic Christian defensiveness and despite his overbearing personality O'Reilly, being a product of the mainstream media is somewhat saner than a few others over there on Fox and I'm sure you can imagine those to whom I'm referring.

And of course being an athiest I don't really have a dog in this fight except I can't stand when lefties act like Christian fundies are anywhere near as dangerous and virulent as violent Islamists which intend the demise of Western culture.

Anyway if you intended no link then no harm/foul. I just felt it needed saying in the interest of fairness.

Still updinging your post as it was interesting information.

Bill O'Reilly did more than any other media figure to contribute to the demonization of Dr. George Tiller that resulted in his murder.

72 Soap_Man  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:47:34pm

This reminds me of something I heard on one of the "Overheard in New York" websites. This takes place right after an employee finishes ringing up a customer.

Employee: Thanks. Have a merry Christmas.
Customer: You have a merry Christmas too.
Employee: Oh, sorry. I'm actually supposed to say happy holidays.
Customer: (laughs) It's okay, I'm Jewish.
Employee: Hey, so am I.
Customer: Then why are we are we standing here wishing each other a merry Christmas?

73 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:47:34pm

re: #63 brookly red

Some folks really do get offended if you wish them a merry Christmas, especially if you are on some government property such as a post office. Zany does apply I am afraid.

If anyone has a right to hate Christmas, it's the Post Office.

74 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:48:02pm

crap...I grew up in Redding. One (maybe two) of my brothers are tea party members up there. Well, you can't choose your family. oy.

75 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:48:08pm

re: #64 HillJack

If I am not mistaken, the gist of it was that saying "Merry Christmas" to a Liberal was like saying "F*** You".

OK...no, I'm still not getting it.

77 The Curmudgeon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:48:48pm

The War on Christmas is old news. I hereby announce the War on Arbor Day! This abomination falls on the last Friday in April. When that day comes, don't plant a tree!

78 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:48:50pm

re: #56 dwells38


And of course being an athiest I don't really have a dog in this fight except I can't stand when lefties act like Christian fundies are anywhere near as dangerous and virulent as violent Islamists which intend the demise of Western culture.

Where was that run on sentence going?

79 jaunte  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:49:15pm

The reasoning of the War on Christmas proponents is a little murky. It's hard to tell if they're completely opposed to gift-giving, or just the kind that comes without a Christian message attached.

80 dwells38  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:49:21pm

re: #71 Charles

Charles you think he's a Christian fanatic that wanted Tiller to die?

I doubt that.

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:49:42pm

re: #48 Cato the Elder

Granted. That has no bearing on the holiday designated to celebrate his birth, however. It's still about him. Sort of.

That's yet another point where the fundies are wrong. Of course it's about the solstice, you tools. Christmas is a Christianized solstice festival.

It's much easier to get people to celebrate Christ at the solstice than to get people interested in a random day of the year with no astronomical significance or cultural weight.

Overall, I think the Dec. 25 date has worked out very well.

82 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:50:00pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

Then I guess they'd just be offended, because I don't intend to stop saying that. I also enjoy offending that kind of leftist.

Well if it is any concellation saying "have a nice day" = "asshole" in Brooklyn.

83 political lunatic  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:50:25pm

re: #59 Sharmuta
(and #58)

Thanks, guys. It's always nice to be reminded that religion is not about thinking gays are damned to hell or that you have to go to war with anyone who has different beliefs than you. It's mostly a guideline of morals to live by by definition.

84 dwells38  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:50:42pm

re: #78 Jeff In Ohio

Where is your comment going?

85 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:51:45pm

re: #71 Charles

Bill O'Reilly did more than any other media figure to contribute to the demonization of Dr. George Tiller that resulted in his murder.

Bill O'Reilly and the Tiller assassination connection is the reason Fox News is being so careful about Glenn Beck right now. His anti-Obama rhetoric has fueled the wackos to the point where they're showing up at town halls with loaded weapons. If one of them goes off the edge and starts shooting at one of these Fox-sponsored events, it will not do well for their advertising clientele, and as much as that network enjoys trying to make the President look bad, the last thing they want on their hands is an association with an assassination attempt.

I can't think of a single advertiser who'd want to be on a network that inspired such an action.

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:52:05pm

re: #53 political lunatic

I consider myself pretty religious in spite of the fact that I don't go to church or read the Bible. However, things like this always turn me away from religion. I think we're living in Crusades 2.0.

Nah. These people are wimps. Even the weirdest and/or most evil of the Crusaders had the actual balls and/or ovaries to put their necks where their mouths were. These guys pretend to be all brave about people like me, who cruelly oppress them by saying "Happy Holidays".

I am, really, harmless, if left alone.

87 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:52:08pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Being a product of public education myself, I can say that every year for our Winter Concert, all the choirs and alumni would congregate at the end to sing the Hallelujah Chorus from Handel's Messiah. Very secular...

Of course, I've stated repeatedly that when it comes to music education, it's impossible to remove all religious material, so I'm not complaining.

88 albusteve  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:52:29pm

re: #82 brookly red

Well if it is any concellation saying "have a nice day" = "asshole" in Brooklyn.

the Hispanic community goes nuts over Christmas here in ABQ...I like it, on a personal and civic level...I don't care for the commercial hype but Old Town is a sight to behold right now...to me it's just another fiesta

89 HillJack  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:52:32pm

re: #61 SixDegrees

What I am saying is that whether we know the exact date of Christ's birth or not is irrelavent to the fact that Christmas was originated to celebrate that birth. It may not represent that for some people today but it was undoubtedly meant to in the beginning.

90 jaunte  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:52:41pm

re: #80 dwells38

Charles you think he's a Christian fanatic that wanted Tiller to die?

I doubt that.

The other possibility is that he did it for viewership and money.

91 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:52:43pm

OT:

Newly Found Dinosaur Sheds Light on Dino Origins

Hikers in New Mexico stumbled across a few bits of bone, leading to the discovery of a game-changing dinosaur that reveals where it all began.

No transitional species, huh Mr. Cameron?

92 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:52:48pm

re: #80 dwells38

Charles you think he's a Christian fanatic that wanted Tiller to die?

I doubt that.

I'm sure you can locate some of his broadcasts on the matter at a number of sources.

He was overtly goading people to murder abortionists in general and Tiller in particular. He went more than far enough to have blood on his hands.

93 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:53:01pm

re: #80 dwells38

Charles you think he's a Christian fanatic that wanted Tiller to die?

I doubt that.

Read for yourself. O'Reilly ranted often about Tiller, calling him "Tiller the baby killer" and such crap

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

94 Racer X  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:53:09pm

One of my favorite South Park episodes:

The F-Word

95 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:53:39pm

re: #92 SixDegrees

I'm sure you can locate some of his broadcasts on the matter at a number of sources.

He was overtly goading people to murder abortionists in general and Tiller in particular. He went more than far enough to have blood on his hands.

Yep...

Huffpo article with video of O'Reilly on Tiller

96 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:54:04pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist(snip)

Overall, I think the Dec. 25 date has worked out very well.

We're doing the Christmas giftgiving early this year, so the kids can be with various in-laws. I've always pushed to do the presents on St. Nicholas day, but SWMBO vetoes that.

97 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:54:21pm

re: #85 darthstar

Bill O'Reilly and the Tiller assassination connection is the reason Fox News is being so careful about Glenn Beck right now.

In what conceivable way are they being "careful"?

98 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:54:49pm

re: #84 dwells38

Leftwing atheists intend the demise of western civilization?

99 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:54:51pm

re: #94 Racer X

One of my favorite South Park episodes:

The F-Word

My favorite was one of their early ones...Jesus vs Santa

100 HillJack  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:54:55pm

re: #62 MandyManners

Where in the Bible are we commanded to celebrate his birth?

Nowhere is it commanded. You said that Christmas isn't about Christ's birth. That may be so for you but not for others. Not trying to start an argument, just pointing out a fact.

101 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:54:57pm

re: #82 brookly red

Well if it is any concellation saying "have a nice day" = "asshole" in Brooklyn.

Here's a New York Christmas story for you:

Police Kill Suspect Who Fired on Them in New York City's Times Square

The asshole fired on the cops with a MAC-10. Thankfully it jammed, after which the NYPD shot the scumbag dead.

102 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:55:38pm

re: #98 Jeff In Ohio

Damn straight.

103 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:55:40pm

re: #89 HillJack

What I am saying is that whether we know the exact date of Christ's birth or not is irrelavent to the fact that Christmas was originated to celebrate that birth. It may not represent that for some people today but it was undoubtedly meant to in the beginning.

Not really. As others and myself have already noted, there were already a number of celebrations clustered around the solstice, an astronomical even that was itself of some note. Christmas got piggybacked onto unrelated celebrations that were already in full swing.

104 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:55:44pm
Did you know that the “War on Christmas” meme was started by a white supremacist?


Wow. Ya learn somethin' new every day.

105 limewash  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:55:58pm

re: #58 HoosierHoops

Nicely put!

106 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:56:00pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

If anyone has a right to hate Christmas, it's the Post Office.

And, retailers!

107 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:56:04pm

re: #79 jaunte

The reasoning of the War on Christmas proponents is a little murky. It's hard to tell if they're completely opposed to gift-giving, or just the kind that comes without a Christian message attached.

It's the need for victimhood that these crypto-fascists are promoting. That the package the victimization is coming in isn't really existent isn't the point, the point is to make more people feel like it's true and thus assume the title of victim.

108 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:56:09pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

OT:

Newly Found Dinosaur Sheds Light on Dino Origins

No transitional species, huh Mr. Cameron?

I doubt the man with the Crocoduck theory is inclined to such quackery as "proof."

109 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:56:30pm

re: #102 wozzablog

I have found my whale!

110 Big Steve  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:56:39pm

re: #106 Floral Giraffe

And, retailers!

and young pine trees everywhere

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:56:43pm

re: #62 MandyManners

Where in the Bible are we commanded to celebrate his birth?

Please note, it was illegal and heretical to celebrate Christmas at many points in the history of the Protestant world, and our Pilgrim forebears celebrated the day by getting up and going to work, with a slight sneer at the idolatrous, drunken Anglicans.

The fact that a mere few centuries later, these folks are running around behaving as though the public celebration of a lavish German-style 19th century Christmas is some kind of American principle on a par with the Bill of Rights would be funny, if it were not so annoying.

I mean, I like lavish 19th century German Christmas customs. They're fun, and often tasty. But this is ridiculous.

112 HillJack  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:57:03pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank you for the clarification.

113 political lunatic  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:57:10pm

re: #85 darthstar

Gold scammers and fake IRS lawyers who claim to help people fight the IRS?

114 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:57:11pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

OT:

Newly Found Dinosaur Sheds Light on Dino Origins

No transitional species, huh Mr. Cameron?

Two new unfilled gaps!

115 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:57:36pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

Here's a New York Christmas story for you:

Police Kill Suspect Who Fired on Them in New York City's Times Square

The asshole fired on the cops with a MAC-10. Thankfully it jammed, after which the NYPD shot the scumbag dead.

/I always get annoyed by people who panhandel for smokes but yet they have enough money for top shelf weapons... sheesh.

116 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:58:12pm

re: #108 JasonA

I doubt the man with the Crocoduck theory is inclined to such quackery as "proof."

I know. I just say something like that whenever yet more fossils are found that support evolution. Watching creationists try to spin their way out the binds they put themselves in is just plain fun.

117 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:58:23pm

re: #113 political lunatic

Okay...I can't think of one reputable advertiser who would want to be associated with an assassination attempt on the president.

118 jaunte  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:58:24pm

re: #107 Sharmuta

Just looking out for the folks, by airing the imaginary grievances.

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:58:40pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

Then I guess they'd just be offended, because I don't intend to stop saying that. I also enjoy offending that kind of leftist.

I have levels.

If the person says "Happy Holidays," I say "Happy Holidays".

If they say "Merry Christmas," I say "Merry Christmas," or "To you as well".

If they say "Merry Christmas!!!" in a hostile way, especially if they say anything twerpy about "Happy Holidays!" I say "Happy Holidays!!!111!!"

120 emcesq  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:59:07pm

Seems like every good idea gets eventually corrupted:
Early Christians - revolutionaries
Later Catholics - major reactionaries
Protestants - revolutionaries against Catholicism; moved to America to seek freedom
Turned back to born-again and reactionary fundies - and we are evolving our own Taliban here in the US.

121 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 5:59:18pm

Speaking of racist scumbags; RS McCain posted another 1,000 word tome on his "natural revulsion" to race mixing today.

122 HillJack  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:00:08pm

re: #103 SixDegrees

I don't think so. Christmas was begun by the early church to, for lack of a better term, combat the perceived influence those festivals had on early Christians.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:00:16pm

re: #80 dwells38

Charles you think he's a Christian fanatic that wanted Tiller to die?

I doubt that.

Can't speak for Charles. I think he's a political fanatic, who didn't give a damn what might happen if he ran his mouth.

124 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:00:20pm

re: #97 Cato the Elder

In what conceivable way are they being "careful"?

They're 'looking into' his hawking gold on his shows...my guess is it's a way of finding a loophole in his contract by which they can get rid of his sorry ass.

125 albusteve  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:00:43pm

re: #115 brookly red

/I always get annoyed by people who panhandel for smokes but yet they have enough money for top shelf weapons... sheesh.

I love guns, scratch one bad guy

126 dwells38  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:01:19pm

re: #90 jaunte

I think he genuinely says what he thinks. If Harry Reid's saying the GOP Climate Deniers are like opposers of Slavery (in a bygone era) or Nancy Pelosi says "Tea Baggers" are like Nazis and some idiot hurts a Repub politician in their lunatic zeal to defend truth and righteousness am I to blame Harry and Nancy?

Obviously not.

127 SpaceJesus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:01:32pm

I want to get shitfaced on bourbon and drive that bus onto Bill OReilly's lawn at 4am Christmas eve then blast Slayer until I get arrested

128 jaunte  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:01:40pm

re: #115 brookly red

Good thing it wasn't a revolver.

129 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:01:50pm

re: #122 HillJack

I don't think so. Christmas was begun by the early church to, for lack of a better term, combat the perceived influence those festivals had on early Christians.

Like I said, they piggybacked onto what was already there.

130 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:01:57pm

As a godless immoral atheist I'm doing my part in the war on x-mas. I'll be attending a church that will allow me to take communion on x-mas day. I'm looking forward to it.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:02:05pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

Being a product of public education myself, I can say that every year for our Winter Concert, all the choirs and alumni would congregate at the end to sing the Hallelujah Chorus from Handel's Messiah. Very secular...

Of course, I've stated repeatedly that when it comes to music education, it's impossible to remove all religious material, so I'm not complaining.

Same with literature, and we cover that in the public schools as well. People sometimes think you can't mention religion at all, but I've had long discussions with my classes about religious imagery in books we've read. I mean, you can't get through "The Giver" without some talk about the Bible.

132 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:02:17pm

re: #124 darthstar

They're 'looking into' his hawking gold on his shows...my guess is it's a way of finding a loophole in his contract by which they can get rid of his sorry ass.

From your keyboard to God's monitor.

133 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:02:32pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Speaking of racist scumbags; RS McCain posted another 1,000 word tome on his "natural revulsion" to race mixing today.

Starting with an attack on me, of course. I'm now living inside Robert Stacy McCain's head.

It doesn't smell too good in here.

134 Soap_Man  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:02:40pm

re: #127 SpaceJesus

I want to get shitfaced on bourbon and drive that bus onto Bill OReilly's lawn at 4am Christmas eve then blast Slayer until I get arrested

Not a fan of the drunk driving, but an up-ding for the sentiment. :)

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:02:41pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

OT:

Newly Found Dinosaur Sheds Light on Dino Origins


No transitional species, huh Mr. Cameron?

I don't totally understand what some of these guys think a transitional species would look like.

136 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:03:08pm

re: #133 Charles

Heh.

137 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:03:29pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

I know. I just say something like that whenever yet more fossils are found that support evolution. Watching creationists try to spin their way out the binds they put themselves in is just plain fun.

I used to find joy in it. I just find it so sad now.

138 Big Steve  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:03:31pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

As a godless immoral atheist I'm doing my part in the war on x-mas. I'll be attending a church that will allow me to take communion on x-mas day. I'm looking forward to it.

KT = catholic...I would have never guessed?

139 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:03:36pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

I'm giving my kids a bunch of useless crap, then having sex with my wife while they play with it.

140 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:03:38pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

I have levels.

If the person says "Happy Holidays," I say "Happy Holidays".

If they say "Merry Christmas," I say "Merry Christmas," or "To you as well".

If they say "Merry Christmas!!!" in a hostile way, especially if they say anything twerpy about "Happy Holidays!" I say "Happy Holidays!!!111!!"

Often times I say "Merry Christmas", because I mean it in the sense of Peace on Earth and Good Will Towards Men. If folks want to be offended by it, oh well. It's not an insult, so those who wish to take it that way are beyond help anyways, imo.

141 bosforus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:03:45pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

OT:

Newly Found Dinosaur Sheds Light on Dino Origins

No transitional species, huh Mr. Cameron?

I thought in the evolution perspective dinosaurs became birds. This dinosaur is said to have lived 213 million years ago, in the Triassic, the earliest "age of the dinosaurs". The most recent age being the Cretaceous, 65 million years ago.

142 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:03:54pm

re: #127 SpaceJesus

I want to get shitfaced on bourbon and drive that bus onto Bill OReilly's lawn at 4am Christmas eve then blast Slayer until I get arrested

South of Heaven?

143 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:03:59pm

re: #125 albusteve

I love guns, scratch one bad guy

And for that matter I also get annoyed by countries that panhandle for aid but yet have enough money for top shelf weapons... but that is for another thread.

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:04:06pm

re: #96 Decatur Deb

(snip)

Overall, I think the Dec. 25 date has worked out very well.

We're doing the Christmas giftgiving early this year, so the kids can be with various in-laws. I've always pushed to do the presents on St. Nicholas day, but SWMBO vetoes that.

When I taught at a Catholic elementary school, we had the kids put their shoes outside the door on St. Nicholas's, and the principal came and put candy in them. That was fun.

145 dwells38  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:04:15pm

re: #98 Jeff In Ohio

I said that?

Jeff go find someone else to fight with.

Pathetic.

146 deadletterboy  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:04:20pm

At work the other night, a woman came up to the register and while complaining about our lack of Christian music went on a tangent about how she was going to start a 'Take Christmas from the Merchants' website.

"I mean, you can't have manger scenes, can't play Christmas music...it's just horrible. I think we should all stay home one year, make all the gifts, stuff like that, remind the merchants what the season is all about."

As my co-worker and I stood there in awkward silence and I considered trying to explain to her that I didn't give a shit and was an Agnostic Buddhist (only deciding against it when I realized the conversation would be dragged on longer by this) she angrily packed her credit cards away, and mused about how many hits she would get on that site. We smiled and nodded.

When she was gone, my co-worker turned to me and said, "She knows WE'RE merchants, right?"

Just my own personal encounter with these whackos.

147 freetoken  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:04:20pm

Did someone say "Christmas"?

Only 14 more shopping days... most of mine was done online, but I did ship a package overseas today. The postage keeps going up - ugh.

148 Big Steve  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:04:28pm

re: #133 Charles

Starting with an attack on me, of course. I'm now living inside Robert Stacy McCain's head.

It doesn't smell too good in here.

Gee...didn't know a vacuum had an odor...

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:04:52pm

re: #98 Jeff In Ohio

Leftwing atheists intend the demise of western civilization?

Of course they do! Isn't it obvious?

//

150 HillJack  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:05:07pm

I am a Christian and I don't feel slighted one bit by someone telling me Happy Holidays. I don't say it but who am I to judge?

151 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:05:13pm

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't totally understand what some of these guys think a transitional species would look like.

It would look a whole lot like its mother and be hardly distinguishable from its daughter.

152 albusteve  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:05:23pm

re: #143 brookly red

And for that matter I also get annoyed by countries that panhandle for aid but yet have enough money for top shelf weapons... but that is for another thread.

I love F-16s...scratch one bad country

153 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:06:17pm

re: #138 Big Steve

KT = catholic...I would have never guessed?

I was raised Catholic but they won't let me take communion. I'd show up for the service but Catholics aren't doing a full sung (high) mass in town this year. I'm going Eastern Orthodox this year.

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:06:56pm

re: #114 SixDegrees

Two new unfilled gaps!

It seems to get worse and worse. The more species, the more gaps. When will the evolutionists give up and realize how silly this is?

///

155 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:07:56pm

re: #145 dwells38

Yes, attempts at understanding are always pathetic. Good luck with that.

156 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:07:57pm

re: #150 HillJack

I am a Christian and I don't feel slighted one bit by someone telling me Happy Holidays. I don't say it but who am I to judge?

It doesn't offend me either.

Frankly- I find Santa to be more offensive to Christmas than "Happy Holidays".

157 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:08:48pm

re: #128 jaunte

Good thing it wasn't a revolver.

to the credit of the NYPD the street was packed & no one else was harmed, in fact most didn't even realize what was going down.

158 bratwurst  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:09:14pm

re: #80 dwells38

Charles you think he's a Christian fanatic that wanted Tiller to die?

I doubt that.

I am sure he did what he did for the utterly cynical reason of feeding red meat to his fan base...but Tiller is dead all the same.

159 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:09:20pm

re: #118 jaunte

Just looking out for the folks, by airing the imaginary grievances.

Now Festivus is hijacking Christmas too? ///

160 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:09:26pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Speaking of racist scumbags; RS McCain posted another 1,000 word tome on his "natural revulsion" to race mixing today.

I said it a few days ago - mix the races, and you get a predictable, repeatable result: gorgeous children. I love it when genetics make their point so clearly. Nature loves a diverse gene pool, and so does the God i believe in.

161 albusteve  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:09:27pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

I was raised Catholic but they won't let me take communion. I'd show up for the service but Catholics aren't doing a full sung (high) mass in town this year. I'm going Eastern Orthodox this year.

sort of religious anthropology

162 Racer X  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:09:40pm

The Ring

How they never got sued into oblivion by Disney I will never know.

163 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:09:41pm

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Speaking of racist scumbags; RS McCain posted another 1,000 word tome on his "natural revulsion" to race mixing today.

You know, my father has this thing he says about gay sex. He says that it revulses him to think of two men making love together. But, he adds, it also revulses him to think of surgery being done on a human eyeball. He has concluded from this that just because he's squeamish about envisioning it doesn't mean it's a bad thing, or harmful to society.

Mr. McCain might benefit from giving some thought to this insight.

164 HillJack  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:09:48pm

re: #129 SixDegrees

So then enlighten me on the "why" part of the origin of Christmas.

165 Soap_Man  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:10:15pm

re: #146 deadletterboy

I worked at Home Depot when I first went to college and there was this one customer who was all upset about the music (she complained at the register while I was nearby). If the songs were secular Christmas songs or winter songs (Frosty the Snowman, Winter Wonderland) there was vocals with the song. If it was a religious song (Come all ye Faithful, Holy Night) it was just music with no lyrics. She was really pissed about that.

I worked there for three Christmas seasons and never noticed this until she brought attention to it. It's like people play extra-close attention to find things to be pissed about.

166 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:10:49pm

re: #146 deadletterboy

At work the other night, a woman came up to the register and while complaining about our lack of Christian music went on a tangent about how she was going to start a 'Take Christmas from the Merchants' website.

"I mean, you can't have manger scenes, can't play Christmas music...it's just horrible. I think we should all stay home one year, make all the gifts, stuff like that, remind the merchants what the season is all about."

As my co-worker and I stood there in awkward silence and I considered trying to explain to her that I didn't give a shit and was an Agnostic Buddhist (only deciding against it when I realized the conversation would be dragged on longer by this) she angrily packed her credit cards away, and mused about how many hits she would get on that site. We smiled and nodded.

When she was gone, my co-worker turned to me and said, "She knows WE'RE merchants, right?"

Just my own personal encounter with these whackos.

If I hear "Jingle Bells" sung "scat style" while I'm shopping, I swear I'm going to run through the aisles breaking things.

167 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:10:54pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

I was raised Catholic but they won't let me take communion. I'd show up for the service but Catholics aren't doing a full sung (high) mass in town this year. I'm going Eastern Orthodox this year.

The reverend recognize you and punch you in the nose?

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:10:55pm

re: #139 Jeff In Ohio

I'm giving my kids a bunch of useless crap, then having sex with my wife while they play with it.

That sounds like a lovely Christmas.

169 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:11:07pm

re: #56 dwells38

J
But I just want to point out that O'Reilly's position comes from his Catholicism and his knee-jerk opposition to the anti-Christian left (remember many will apologize for the ROP).

Ah, yes, the anti-Christian left. Of course there is no anti-Christian right is there?

And of course being an athiest I don't really have a dog in this fight except I can't stand when lefties act like Christian fundies are anywhere near as dangerous and virulent as violent Islamists which intend the demise of Western culture.

You're just such a fun lovin' rightie aren't you?

I hate to poke a hole in your fun, but history tells us that Christianity can be every bit as violent and dangerous as the Islamists are today. Just for shits and giggles, you might want to check into the Dominionists and what they see as the West's future under their rule.

We 'leftists' are well aware that the Christian Right is not currently as dangerous as the Islamic terror organizations, but that state is only possible because of the way western governments have been set up. These self styled 'men of God', these self righteous fog horns of Biblical morality, want to remake the governments of all Western countries in their own image. If we, right, left, or in between, close our eyes for more than a moment, those Dominionists, and their watered down brethren, the creationists, will succeed.

We 'leftists' want the Islamic terrorist factions fought physically and the Christian Biblical literalists fought legally so we don't have to fight them physically.

BTW, trying to pollute the old well with the label 'lefties' is an adolescent debate tactic.

170 bosforus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:11:16pm

Jim Gaffigan best sums up my feelings on Christmas:

171 Four More Tears  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:11:21pm

re: #165 Soap_Man

That music does drive me nuts when it's non-stop X-mas tunes, I must admit. When you work in a store like that you eventually just stop hearing it.

172 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:12:42pm

re: #169 b_sharp

Great handle...my cat's name is B-flat. :)

173 deadletterboy  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:12:55pm

re: #166 Alouette

My personal response to these people is to smile, nod and then walk over to the information counter and put in either the chipmunks, Ringo Starr, or Bob Dylan Christmas albums.

174 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:13:15pm

re: #57 jaunte

What kind of a name is Brimelow? Sounds immigrant-ish.

Quite right. If your name isn't Kawacatoose, Dustyhorn, Prettyfeather, Acoose or something similar, your heritage is immigrant.

175 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:13:15pm

re: #146 deadletterboy

"I mean, you can't have manger scenes, can't play Christmas music...it's just horrible. I think we should all stay home one year, make all the gifts, stuff like that, remind the merchants what the season is all about."

Is this woman aware that Christmas isn't about materialism?

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:13:29pm

re: #140 Sharmuta

Often times I say "Merry Christmas", because I mean it in the sense of Peace on Earth and Good Will Towards Men. If folks want to be offended by it, oh well. It's not an insult, so those who wish to take it that way are beyond help anyways, imo.

As long as you don't mean it the way Ann does...

//I know you don't.

177 albusteve  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:13:34pm

re: #169 b_sharp

You're just such a fun lovin' rightie aren't you?

I hate to poke a hole in your fun, but history tells us that Christianity can be every bit as violent and dangerous as the Islamists are today. Just for shits and giggles, you might want to check into the Dominionists and what they see as the West's future under their rule.

We 'leftists' are well aware that the Christian Right is not currently as dangerous as the Islamic terror organizations, but that state is only possible because of the way western governments have been set up. These self styled 'men of God', these self righteous fog horns of Biblical morality, want to remake the governments of all Western countries in their own image. If we, right, left, or in between, close our eyes for more than a moment, those Dominionists, and their watered down brethren, the creationists, will succeed.

We 'leftists' want the Islamic terrorist factions fought physically and the Christian Biblical literalists fought legally so we don't have to fight them physically.

BTW, trying to pollute the old well with the label 'lefties' is an adolescent debate tactic.

are you offended being called a lefty?...is that the pollution?

178 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:13:36pm

re: #157 brookly red

to the credit of the NYPD the street was packed & no one else was harmed, in fact most didn't even realize what was going down.

Call it New York's Christmas Miracle for this year. Had that dirtbag's SMG not jammed he would have sprayed bullets into the crowd. Thankfully, God was watching and spoiled the thug's murderous plans, with help from the NYPD.

179 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:14:01pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

I was raised Catholic but they won't let me take communion. I'd show up for the service but Catholics aren't doing a full sung (high) mass in town this year. I'm going Eastern Orthodox this year.

In Pittsburgh, the Orthodox and Greek Catholics made their big effort at Easter--fantastic music.

180 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:14:47pm

re: #62 MandyManners

Where in the Bible are we commanded to celebrate his birth?

It's in the index, under Turkey.

181 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:14:52pm

re: #169 b_sharp

Of course there is no anti-Christian right is there?

IIRC, Hitler was not a Christian.

182 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:14:53pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

I was raised Catholic but they won't let me take communion. I'd show up for the service but Catholics aren't doing a full sung (high) mass in town this year. I'm going Eastern Orthodox this year.

Enjoy. Is it one of the places where you have to stand for the whole Mass?

183 freetoken  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:15:37pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

So I'm looking at the comments to that dinosaur story... and then I think about President Obama's recent spiel to improve science education in this country, and I have to ask myself if there is any hope (yet another) such endeavor could succeed.

184 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:15:40pm

re: #173 deadletterboy

My personal response to these people is to smile, nod and then walk over to the information counter and put in either the chipmunks, Ringo Starr, or Bob Dylan Christmas albums.

sonofa...so that's how the Chipmunks get into the CD player. they make me want to hurt myself.

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:15:42pm

re: #160 Aceofwhat?

I said it a few days ago - mix the races, and you get a predictable, repeatable result: gorgeous children. I love it when genetics make their point so clearly. Nature loves a diverse gene pool, and so does the God i believe in.

Hybrid vigor, my mother likes to say. About both me and our beloved German Shepherd mix.

186 The Curmudgeon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:16:04pm

re: #169 b_sharp

These self styled 'men of God', these self righteous fog horns of Biblical morality ...

b_sharp? They're letting anyone get into this place. I remember when we had class.

187 Mark Pennington  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:16:46pm

I think that once the baby-boomer generation is no longer with us, most of this will be a non-issue. Am I deluding myself?

188 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:16:58pm

re: #171 JasonA

That music does drive me nuts when it's non-stop X-mas tunes, I must admit. When you work in a store like that you eventually just stop hearing it.

The worst shopping music ever is played at Marshall's. Not only do they play all the "scat style" versions of holiday songs, but the music they play the rest of the year also sucks. And they play it at top volume.

It was so bad that I asked a Marshall's manager to please turn the volume down. She said, "I would, but I don't know how."

189 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:17:06pm

re: #181 MandyManners

Hitler: "We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession."
from nobeliefs.com but I won't hyperlink because I think Hitler was a major asshole.

190 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:17:07pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

As long as you don't mean it the way Ann does...

//I know you don't.

There is a reason A Christmas Carol is my favorite Christmas story- it's a day to remember that we are loved and worthy of redemption. But that's just me. When I wish people "Merry Christmas" what I mean is "God loves You".

191 bosforus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:17:12pm

re: #186 The Curmudgeon

b_sharp? They're letting anyone get into this place. I remember when we had class.

Hopefully someday he'll be naturalized and he can just b.

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:17:26pm

re: #172 darthstar

Great handle...my cat's name is B-flat. :)

Is he a flat cat? (Name that sci-fi reference!)

193 freetoken  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:17:33pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Hybrid vigor, my mother likes to say. About both me and our beloved German Shepherd mix.

Cross-species mixing of animals, unlike plants, is not recommended.

194 jaunte  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:17:36pm

War on Christmas factions:

Gradually, Christmas celebrations began to adopt the joyful, often boisterous, holiday traditions of pagan cultures. The story of the nativity was told through music, art, and dance.

Some Medieval Christians objected, however, maintaining that Christmas should be a somber religious day, not a secular festival. After the Reformation, certain Protestant groups opposed Christmas celebrations. Oliver Cromwell banned them in England. King Charles II restored Christmas when he ascended the throne.

In the American colonies, Puritans, Baptists, Quakers, and Presbyterians opposed the festivities, while Catholics, Anglicans (Episcopalians), Dutch Reformed, and Lutherans approved.[Link: www.infoplease.com...]


Splitters!

195 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:17:38pm

re: #170 bosforus

Jim Gaffigan best sums up my feelings on Christmas:

Holy shit dude, had not seen that before. Hilarious!

196 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:17:42pm

re: #173 deadletterboy

My personal response to these people is to smile, nod and then walk over to the information counter and put in either the chipmunks, Ringo Starr, or Bob Dylan Christmas albums.

No Barbra Streisand? You philistine.

197 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:17:46pm

A sample from the "Conservo-Bible" discussed downstairs:

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Note the male possessive pronouns. Apparently it's not conservative enough to get rid of that awful liberal "inclusive language" as applied to people. You have to do it for animals too.

Maybe "beast" and "thing" are masculine in ancient Hebrew, but they are not in English.

If German were the language of the Bible, these buffoons would refer to "das Mädchen" (the girl) as "it".

198 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:18:26pm

re: #193 freetoken

Cross-species mixing of animals, unlike plants, is not recommended.

well done, there

199 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:18:42pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

Is he a flat cat? (Name that sci-fi reference!)

Nah...his daddy's just a crappy mandolin player.

200 bosforus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:18:45pm

re: #195 HAL2010

Holy shit dude, had not seen that before. Hilarious!

If you've got netflix you can watch his Beyond the Pale DVD instantly. And I agree, he's hilarious. His Hot Pockets bit is epic.

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:18:48pm

re: #174 b_sharp

Quite right. If your name isn't Kawacatoose, Dustyhorn, Prettyfeather, Acoose or something similar, your heritage is immigrant.

My husband refers to the Scots-Irish part of his family that's been puttering around the Southeastern US for about three hundred years as "the immigrant side of the family". (The other part is Cherokee and Creek. Don't tell him about land bridges, it doesn't work with his patter.)

202 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:18:58pm

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

Enjoy. Is it one of the places where you have to stand for the whole Mass?

Ten years ago my family went to Christmas mass in the Church of the Nativity. We not only had to stand, but go through 2 magnetometer searches because Arafat was there. I wish I had been briefed on the Palestinian custom of setting off fireworks in the square outside.

203 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:19:00pm

re: #183 freetoken

So I'm looking at the comments to that dinosaur story... and then I think about President Obama's recent spiel to improve science education in this country, and I have to ask myself if there is any hope (yet another) such endeavor could succeed.

The most recent comment is especially bad, pure Bad Craziness:

linkowski7

Michigan

Evolutionary theory is the atomic bomb of ideas in this universe of spiritual conflict that has brought forth the murdering of millions of innocent babies and caused a nation, once great, to reconsider the marriage of one man and one woman. Why Fox News would perpetuate this fairy tale theory confuses me.

Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 8:01 PM

204 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:19:21pm
205 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:19:52pm

re: #197 Cato the Elder

A sample from the "Conservo-Bible" discussed downstairs:

Note the male possessive pronouns. Apparently it's not conservative enough to get rid of that awful liberal "inclusive language" as applied to people. You have to do it for animals too.

Maybe "beast" and "thing" are masculine in ancient Hebrew, but they are not in English.

If German were the language of the Bible, these buffoons would refer to "das Mädchen" (the girl) as "it".

Any idea what the first translation from Hebrew was?
Could give it a clue, would be interesting.

206 Gus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:20:17pm

This is what freedom looks like.

Now, where's the egg nog?

207 freetoken  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:20:22pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

They are looney, and very frightened. A little existential angst might do them some good, but they are afraid to go down that path.

208 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:20:23pm

re: #64 HillJack

If I am not mistaken, the gist of it was that saying "Merry Christmas" to a Liberal was like saying "F*** You".

Yup. Saying Merry Christmas to my religious leftie father, or my two 'reborn' leftie brothers, or my atheist but quite tolerant leftie mother, or any of the majority Christian lefties in NA, is exactly like saying fuck you to them.

I think Coulter needs to get a grip. On something other than what she's squeezing right now.

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:20:25pm

re: #184 Aceofwhat?

sonofa...so that's how the Chipmunks get into the CD player. they make me want to hurt myself.

It's the "Holly Jolly Christmas" song for me. I can't bear it. When there are songs like "Joy to the World" with lots of brass, or "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas", why would you do such a thing?

210 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:20:30pm

re: #200 bosforus

Netfix?
That American?
I'm in London..

211 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:21:12pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. We know. I is one. And to them, I say "Merry fucking Christmas to you!"

I just gotta upding that.

212 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:21:26pm

Random question of the day:

What was the first language of the New Testament?

It's not a trick question, I would really like to know.

213 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:21:28pm

re: #197 Cato the Elder

Even better - in french, bete (beast) is feminine. You can't grammatically write the sentence as they have it in english. looovely.

quelle bande de trous de culs...

214 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:21:33pm

re: #164 HillJack

So then enlighten me on the "why" part of the origin of Christmas.

Been there, done that; see above.

215 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:21:36pm

re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist

It's the "Holly Jolly Christmas" song for me. I can't bear it. When there are songs like "Joy to the World" with lots of brass, or "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas", why would you do such a thing?

I hate the song you said your mother likes. Sorry.

216 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:21:51pm

BBL

217 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:22:03pm

re: #12 JasonA

In related news I found out today that North Carolina has a law that restricts office-holders to people who believe in God. Atheists need not apply.

In the end they did decide to seat him. Still makes me wonder why religious people are the ones who feel threatened.

They feel threatened partially because they're lied to and told to feel threatened by their political leaders. All those mailers and all that grandstanding by the religious far right and hysterical pundits, it does work on some people.

218 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:22:12pm

re: #191 bosforus

Hopefully someday he'll be naturalized and he can just b.

I don't C what all the fuss is about.

219 bosforus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:22:26pm

re: #210 HAL2010

www.netflix.com

220 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:22:37pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

I was raised Catholic but they won't let me take communion. I'd show up for the service but Catholics aren't doing a full sung (high) mass in town this year. I'm going Eastern Orthodox this year.

LOL
I was a adopted by a Catholic Family when I was 12 years old..They made Mel Gibson look like a flaming liberal...I mean serious Catholics Conservatives.
I could care less about religions...When I was 8 years old I found God in my heart living in foster homes. I don't nor ever bought the bullshit of Religions.
Look inside your Heart..It is there that Christmas will live every day of the year.
/I told you guys I was feeling all Christmassy tonight.. *wink*

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:22:41pm

re: #197 Cato the Elder

A sample from the "Conservo-Bible" discussed downstairs:


Note the male possessive pronouns. Apparently it's not conservative enough to get rid of that awful liberal "inclusive language" as applied to people. You have to do it for animals too.

Maybe "beast" and "thing" are masculine in ancient Hebrew, but they are not in English.

If German were the language of the Bible, these buffoons would refer to "das Mädchen" (the girl) as "it".

Wasn't it Mark Twain who said that in German a train was feminine, and a girl was neuter, which seemed to him to show far too much respect to the train, and none at all to the girl?" Something like that.

222 albusteve  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:23:01pm

re: #208 b_sharp

Yup. Saying Merry Christmas to my religious leftie father, or my two 'reborn' leftie brothers, or my atheist but quite tolerant leftie mother, or any of the majority Christian lefties in NA, is exactly like saying fuck you to them.

I think Coulter needs to get a grip. On something other than what she's squeezing right now.

so 'lefty' is not pollution?...in your family?

223 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:23:21pm

re: #197 Cato the Elder

A sample from the "Conservo-Bible" discussed downstairs:


Note the male possessive pronouns. Apparently it's not conservative enough to get rid of that awful liberal "inclusive language" as applied to people. You have to do it for animals too.

Maybe "beast" and "thing" are masculine in ancient Hebrew, but they are not in English.

If German were the language of the Bible, these buffoons would refer to "das Mädchen" (the girl) as "it".

Also, these people think that the King James translators were using 'gender inclusive' language?

224 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:23:26pm

re: #219 bosforus

www.netflix.com

Oh, it's a bit like LoveFilm that we have over here. It's awsome.

225 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:23:28pm

re: #215 Sharmuta

I hate the song you said your mother likes. Sorry.

There are so many sucky Christmas songs. And the dreidel song sucks too.

226 bosforus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:23:30pm

re: #218 Charles

I don't C what all the fuss is about.

Surely the puns will augment from here.

227 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:24:14pm

re: #77 The Curmudgeon

The War on Christmas is old news. I hereby announce the War on Arbor Day! This abomination falls on the last Friday in April. When that day comes, don't plant a tree!

What is with you and your hate for trees?

That tree did not, I repeat, did not, jump out in front of your car.

228 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:24:29pm

re: #189 darthstar

Hitler: "We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession."
from nobeliefs.com but I won't hyperlink because I think Hitler was a major asshole.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

229 SixDegrees  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:24:37pm

re: #212 HAL2010

Random question of the day:

What was the first language of the New Testament?

It's not a trick question, I would really like to know.

I haven't kept up with Biblical research for a long time, but I believe the earliest examples of New Testament manuscripts are in Greek.

230 bosforus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:24:50pm

re: #224 HAL2010

Oh, it's a bit like LoveFilm that we have over here. It's awsome.

Go to youtube then. Search for Jim Gaffigan Hot Pockets. They got hot pockets in London? If not, just search Beyond the Pale.

231 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:24:55pm

re: #225 Alouette

There are so many sucky Christmas songs. And the dreidel song sucks too.

There are a lot of sucky ones. I prefer the more traditions, religious ones, myself. I think they're better.

232 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:25:19pm

re: #78 Jeff In Ohio

Where was that run on sentence going?

I'd suggest something but it would be a crappy thing to do.

233 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:25:20pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

Ten years ago my family went to Christmas mass in the Church of the Nativity. We not only had to stand, but go through 2 magnetometer searches because Arafat was there. I wish I had been briefed on the Palestinian custom of setting off fireworks in the square outside.

Yeah, I bet that gave your heart a little bounce!

One of my coworkers had a son spending a year in Israel as part of a college exchange program, and she urged him to go to Christmas Mass in Bethlehem. He went, but reported with some annoyance that they totally roll up the streets at eight o'clock in Bethlehem, and there were no nightclubs or anything. He, you see, had wanted to stay in Tel-Aviv, where he could go clubbing after church.

Kids.

234 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:25:20pm

re: #226 bosforus

Surely the puns will augment from here.

Happy to obligato.

235 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:25:30pm

Sigur Ros - Hoppípolla


Smiling
Spinning 'round and 'round
Holding hands
The whole world a blur
But you are standing

Soaked
Completely drenched
No rubber boots
Running in us
Want to erupt from a shell

Wind in
Aand outdoor smell of your hair
I hit as fast as I could
With my nose

Hopping into puddles
Completely drenched
Soaked
With no boots on

And I get nosebleed
But I always get up
(Hopelandic)

And I get nosebleed
But I always get up

236 Jaerik  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:25:37pm

re: #207 freetoken

They are looney, and very frightened. A little existential angst might do them some good, but they are afraid to go down that path.

I used to keep a list of all the various institutions, companies, media outlets, and social groups that I've been told are part of the vast liberal conspiracy, and thus enemies of America.

I literally gave up after it reached three pages of single-space size 12 font in MS Word. That was a few months ago.

237 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:25:38pm

re: #226 bosforus

Surely the puns will augment from here.

They flat out will.

238 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:25:51pm

re: #218 Charles

I don't C what all the fuss is about.

Charles is doing D puns?

239 windhorse  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:25:55pm

...you're a mean one, Mr Grinch...

/Thanx Mandy from a couple days ago...

240 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:26:08pm

re: re: #177 albusteve

are you offended being called a lefty?...is that the pollution?

No, it's the "anti-christian left" we object to. Because it's bullshit, it's a smear. As if there aren't millions and millions and millions of Democrats who are Protestants and Catholics. My parents are two of them, true-blue suburban Methodist Democrats. Please try to keep up.

241 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:26:12pm

re: #230 bosforus

I'll give it a go tomorrow, it's half two at night right now.
Got to get some sleep soon.

242 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:26:32pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

It's much easier to get people to celebrate Christ at the solstice than to get people interested in a random day of the year with no astronomical significance or cultural weight.

Overall, I think the Dec. 25 date has worked out very well.

Dec 22, or Jan 1 would work out better.

243 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:26:44pm

re: #240 WindUpBird

i agree completely

244 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:27:05pm

re: #238 MandyManners

Charles is doing D puns?

It's 'is blog...'e can do what 'e wants.

245 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:27:20pm

re: #243 Aceofwhat?

Weeeird. I wonder what happened there!

246 jaunte  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:27:37pm

Sometimes a thread D puns before it gets really shallow.

247 albusteve  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:27:41pm

re: #231 Sharmuta

There are a lot of sucky ones. I prefer the more traditions, religious ones, myself. I think they're better.

Happy Christmas (War is Over)...is a personal favorite of mine

248 bosforus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:27:48pm

re: #234 Decatur Deb

Happy to obligato.

It's required by the coda puns.

249 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:27:57pm

re: #245 WindUpBird

Weeeird. I wonder what happened there!

I assumed you were quoting all the honest things Sarah Palin has said recently.

250 bosforus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:28:00pm

re: #244 darthstar

It's 'is blog...'e can do what 'e wants.

f this.

251 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:28:09pm

re: #244 darthstar

It's 'is blog...'e can do what 'e wants.

OK so now we are up to F... now what?

252 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:28:12pm

re: #250 bosforus

f this.

G, that's harsh.

253 The Curmudgeon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:28:16pm

re: #227 b_sharp

What is with you and your hate for trees?

I ain't no kin to no tree. Besides, you've got a tree fetish because all they have in your frozen country is tundra.

254 albusteve  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:28:52pm

re: #251 brookly red

OK so now we are up to F... now what?

G, I don't know

255 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:28:59pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

Being a product of public education myself, I can say that every year for our Winter Concert, all the choirs and alumni would congregate at the end to sing the Hallelujah Chorus from Handel's Messiah. Very secular...

Of course, I've stated repeatedly that when it comes to music education, it's impossible to remove all religious material, so I'm not complaining.

Some of the best music was inspired by religion, or written as religion. I love Gospel.

256 ryannon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:29:18pm

re: #254 albusteve

G, I don't know

Z end?

257 jaunte  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:29:36pm

re: #256 ryannon

Oak A.

258 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:29:40pm

I like trees.
My preschool had a massive, five-hundred year old oak in the middle of the playground.
But then again, seeing how Sweden is 2/3 covered in trees, one better get used to them.

259 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:29:43pm

re: #254 albusteve

G, I don't know

see 250... got me by 9 seconds

260 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:29:52pm

re: #256 ryannon

Z end?

Y?

261 freetoken  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:30:02pm

re: #212 HAL2010

Random question of the day:

What was the first language of the New Testament?

It's not a trick question, I would really like to know.

There is quite a bit of information online about early manuscript fragments that have been found. You could start by checking Wikipedia for Papyri, such as the Egerton Papyri. Several of the oldest fragments have been found in ancient Egyptian trash heaps!

262 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:30:18pm

re: #260 darthstar

Y?

B cause.

263 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:30:24pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

OT:

Newly Found Dinosaur Sheds Light on Dino Origins

No transitional species, huh Mr. Cameron?

You mean they found a CrocoDuck? Heaven be praised, we finally have evidence of ... not evolution.

264 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:30:25pm

re: #260 darthstar

Y?

B cause

265 bosforus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:30:42pm

re: #264 brookly red

B cause

Give it a half rest!

266 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:30:45pm

re: #177 albusteve

are you offended being called a lefty?...is that the pollution?

I'm offended by this garbage about the "anti-Christian left". Because it's a ludicrous smear by paranoid right-wingers and opportunistic entertainers like Bill O'Reilly. There's millions and millions of Democratic Protestants and Catholics. My parents are two of them, true blue suburban Methodist Democrats.

267 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:30:57pm

re: #264 brookly red

B cause

keep at it. you'll B first one of these puns!

268 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:31:02pm

re: #228 MandyManners

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness ..."[320]

269 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:31:18pm

re: #98 Jeff In Ohio

Leftwing atheists intend the demise of western civilization?

No, all lefties.

270 Gus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:31:31pm

re: #265 bosforus

Give it a half rest!

Starting to sound like the G7 in here.

271 Racer X  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:31:47pm

Where's that confounded bridge?

272 Summer Seale  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:31:47pm

Even though I do enjoy Christmas as a fun holiday and all, I really don't see how: "No God? ...No problem!" is even as remotely offensive as, say...

"YOU DAMNED HEATHEN ATHEIST! YOU'RE GOING TO HELL! BURN! BURN! BURN! BURN! OPEN YOUR HEART TO JAYZUS OR BURN FOREVER!!!"

...Maybe I missed the ranting and raving in the first message somewhere?

273 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:31:54pm

re: #267 Aceofwhat?

keep at it. you'll B first one of these puns!

no, I give up

274 bosforus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:32:07pm

re: #270 Gus 802

Starting to sound like the G7 in here.

If I don't get resolved into a C, and fast, I'm gonna go nuts!

275 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:32:13pm

re: #263 b_sharp

You mean they found a CrocoDuck? Heaven be praised, we finally have evidence of ... not evolution.

Crocoduck poke-volves into Quackagator.

276 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:32:17pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

Ten years ago my family went to Christmas mass in the Church of the Nativity. We not only had to stand, but go through 2 magnetometer searches because Arafat was there. I wish I had been briefed on the Palestinian custom of setting off fireworks in the square outside.

That was during the horrible Zionist "Ok-yoo-pay-shun." Now they can fully practice their ancient and honorable tradition of shooting guns and rockets in the square outside.

277 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:32:22pm

re: #265 bosforus

Give it a half rest!

Can't you take a scherzo?

278 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:32:47pm

re: #261 freetoken

There is quite a bit of information online about early manuscript fragments that have been found. You could start by checking Wikipedia for Papyri, such as the Egerton Papyri. Several of the oldest fragments have been found in ancient Egyptian trash heaps!

Cool. Read that the New Testament was first compiled in Greek. Of all languages.

279 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:32:50pm

re: #256 ryannon

G, I don't know.


Z end?

What the H? Noone wants the next letter...it's a gimme!

280 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:33:15pm

re: #103 SixDegrees

Not really. As others and myself have already noted, there were already a number of celebrations clustered around the solstice, an astronomical even[t] that was itself of some note. Christmas got piggybacked onto unrelated celebrations that were already in full swing.

And did away with drunken revelry. Where's the fun in that?

281 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:33:27pm

re: #231 Sharmuta

There are a lot of sucky ones. I prefer the more traditions, religious ones, myself. I think they're better.

As long as they're not sung "scat style."

282 Locker  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:33:29pm

Christmas sucks, it ruins my birthday every year. I say we bomb Christmas, drop some troops in and force it to move to June or something.

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:33:58pm

re: #205 HAL2010

Any idea what the first translation from Hebrew was?
Could give it a clue, would be interesting.

The original text reads (in transliteration):

Vaya'as Elohim et chayat ha'arets leminah ve'et habehemah leminah ve'et kol-remes ha'adamah leminehu vayar Elohim ki-tov.

I'm checking the grammar on 'leminah'. Please hold.

284 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:34:14pm

re: #220 HoosierHoops

Does Winston have to wear a Christmas outfit?
*waves*

285 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:34:17pm

re: #276 Alouette

That was during the horrible Zionist "Ok-yoo-pay-shun." Now they can fully practice their ancient and honorable tradition of shooting guns and rockets in the square outside.

as opposed to every other day where they actually aim them?

286 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:34:39pm

re: #279 darthstar

What the H? Noone wants the next letter...it's a gimme!

I C that you are not a musician...A through G please...

287 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:34:44pm

re: #115 brookly red

/I always get annoyed by people who panhandel for smokes but yet they have enough money for top shelf weapons... sheesh.

Maybe he found it in a paper bag beside a dumpster?

288 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:35:01pm

re: #286 Aceofwhat?

I C that you are not a musician...A through G please...

Thanks...now I can go smoke a J

289 freetoken  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:35:07pm

re: #278 HAL2010

Greek would have been the lingua franca of the educated of the day.

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:35:12pm

re: #212 HAL2010

Random question of the day:

What was the first language of the New Testament?

It's not a trick question, I would really like to know.

Greek, although the conversations recorded therein originally took place in Aramaic, and there's some theorizing that there may be very early, lost Aramaic proto-texts that the Gospels are based from.

291 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:35:27pm

re: #282 Locker

Christmas sucks, it ruins my birthday every year. I say we bomb Christmas, drop some troops in and force it to move to June or something.

My birthday is on the 18th January. Always means that everybody is broke when it comes around.
Sucks, but what can one do?

Except blame ones parents, year after year, after year.

292 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:35:30pm

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

English - Butterfly
French - Papillon
German - SCHMETTERLING

English - Nipple
French - Memelon
German - BREASTWART

293 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:35:51pm

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

The original text reads (in transliteration):

Vaya'as Elohim et chayat ha'arets leminah ve'et habehemah leminah ve'et kol-remes ha'adamah leminehu vayar Elohim ki-tov.

I'm checking the grammar on 'leminah'. Please hold.

Leminah: "according to its kind"

294 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:36:01pm

re: #287 b_sharp

Maybe he found it in a paper bag beside a dumpster?

crap! thats where it went...

295 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:36:01pm

re: #286 Aceofwhat?

I C that you are not a musician...A through G please...

Bach. Messe in H Moll.

296 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:36:09pm

re: #289 freetoken

Greek would have been the lingua franca of the educated of the day.

Ah yes. The plebs spoke latin right?

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:36:15pm

re: #225 Alouette

There are so many sucky Christmas songs. And the dreidel song sucks too.

Second verse, same as the first!

298 Locker  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:36:32pm

re: #291 HAL2010

My birthday is on the 18th January. Always means that everybody is broke when it comes around.
Sucks, but what can one do?

Except blame ones parents, year after year, after year.

Yea mine is shortly after New Years. No one EVER wants to party as they are completely burnt.

299 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:37:01pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

Greek, although the conversations recorded therein originally took place in Aramaic, and there's some theorizing that there may be very early, lost Aramaic proto-texts that the Gospels are based from.

Someone ought to write a book about this.

300 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:37:18pm

re: #291 HAL2010

Hey, you're only 10 days after Elvis.

301 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:37:41pm

re: #284 Floral Giraffe

Does Winston have to wear a Christmas outfit?
*waves*

Hi Sweetheart.. I am so dressing him up..Last Christmas I dressed him up as a reindeer...I think Santa this year..My new avatar
Hope today finds you well

302 Locker  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:38:18pm

re: #291 HAL2010

My birthday is on the 18th January. Always means that everybody is broke when it comes around.
Sucks, but what can one do?

Except blame ones parents, year after year, after year.

Additionally I can not COUNT the amount of presents I got through my childhood that said "For Christmas and your birthday" on the tag.

303 freetoken  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:38:18pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

Greek, although the conversations recorded therein originally took place in Aramaic, ...

Not necessarily. Some of the epistles may be the oldest actual documents, with the Gospels harmonized shortly thereafter from various fragmentary stories.

It's been years since my Church history class, so I've pretty much forgotten everything, but I seem to remember that certain of the Pauline letters might be the oldest continuously copied texts.

304 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:38:37pm

re: #298 Locker

Yea mine is shortly after New Years. No one EVER wants to party as they are completely burnt.

I have to plan my parties early so that people don't spend all their money on New Years. Lately I have had to have them after people get paid though.
Pah I say!

305 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:39:25pm

re: #300 darthstar

Hey, you're only 10 days after Elvis.

And 16 after my mum!

306 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:39:39pm

re: #286 Aceofwhat?

I C that you are not a musician...A through G please...

Actually, Ace, I play the guitar (crappily) and the mandolin (even more crappily). I was just heading through the alphabet, though I realize now that Charles was playing on notes...and I understand he plays the guitar as well, only better.

307 dwells38  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:39:48pm

re: #169 b_sharp

Sorry to offend b_sharp. Was just short-cutting using leftist or lefty. Not trying to dehumanize or insult.

Also liked your post after "We 'leftists' are well aware that the Christian Right is not currently as dangerous as the Islamic terror organizations, et cet..."

308 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:40:06pm

re: #278 HAL2010

Cool. Read that the New Testament was first compiled in Greek. Of all languages.

The lingua franca of much of the Roman Empire. So to speak.

309 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:40:11pm

re: #156 Sharmuta

It doesn't offend me either.

Frankly- I find Santa to be more offensive to Christmas than "Happy Holidays".

Hell yes, he's red on the outside and drunk on the inside.

310 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:40:14pm

re: #301 HoosierHoops

I saw my first car with "reindeer antlers" on it today.
Very family oriented neighborhood.
The best "set" for a car I have seen is a BIG red nose on the hood, and antlers. I keep meaning to find a set. Gonna go look on Amazon.

311 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:40:20pm

Ooh, i found a new christmas song low. The best buy commercials.

As charles barkley would say...turrible.

312 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:41:04pm

re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist

The lingua franca of much of the Roman Empire. So to speak.

Very clever!

313 jaunte  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:41:15pm

re: #291 HAL2010

Same here.

314 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:41:22pm

re: #160 Aceofwhat?

I said it a few days ago - mix the races, and you get a predictable, repeatable result: gorgeous children. I love it when genetics make their point so clearly. Nature loves a diverse gene pool, and so does the God i believe in.

You must have been reading my mind. (My kids are bi-racial).

315 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:41:49pm

re: #311 Aceofwhat?

Ooh, i found a new christmas song low. The best buy commercials.

As charles barkley would say...turrible.

My favorite play on Xmas songs is the Staples commercial for back to school set to "It's the most wonderful time of the year" where the father is riding the cart with a big smile on his face as his two kids are moping along behind him.

316 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:41:54pm

re: #306 darthstar

Actually, Ace, I play the guitar (crappily) and the mandolin (even more crappily). I was just heading through the alphabet, though I realize now that Charles was playing on notes...and I understand he plays the guitar as well, only better.

I'm with you. I play a mediocre guitar and a crappy bass. Here's to bulling our way through on minimal talent...

317 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:42:02pm

ok kids.

am off to bed. gotta be up in a few hours.

318 Gus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:42:08pm

re: #272 Summer

Even though I do enjoy Christmas as a fun holiday and all, I really don't see how: "No God? ...No problem!" is even as remotely offensive as, say...

"YOU DAMNED HEATHEN ATHEIST! YOU'RE GOING TO HELL! BURN! BURN! BURN! BURN! OPEN YOUR HEART TO JAYZUS OR BURN FOREVER!!!"

...Maybe I missed the ranting and raving in the first message somewhere?

I never worry about their proclamations. I managed to survive the billions of years before I was born...

319 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:42:08pm

re: #313 jaunte

Frankly, I blame the parents.

320 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:42:27pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, my father has this thing he says about gay sex. He says that it revulses him to think of two men making love together. But, he adds, it also revulses him to think of surgery being done on a human eyeball. He has concluded from this that just because he's squeamish about envisioning it doesn't mean it's a bad thing, or harmful to society.

Mr. McCain might benefit from giving some thought to this insight.

The upding was for your dad. He sounds a lot like my mom.

321 theheat  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:43:05pm

I could try to say something eloquent about how bullshitty I find the pretend WoC every damned year, but I think in this case I'll second spacejesus' motion:

I want to get shitfaced on bourbon and drive that bus onto Bill OReilly's lawn at 4am Christmas eve then blast Slayer until I get arrested

"Because I like spacejesus and can't stand Bill O'Reilly." That's what I'd tell the cops. That would be my entire defense.

I really don't even like Slayer, but I can get on board with the rest of it.

322 HAL2010  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:43:49pm

Right.
It's getting late, so I'm off to bed.

Tallyho!

323 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:44:10pm

re: #321 theheat

I could try to say something eloquent about how bullshitty I find the pretend WoC every damned year, but I think in this case I'll second spacejesus' motion:

"Because I like spacejesus and can't stand Bill O'Reilly." That's what I'd tell the cops. That would be my entire defense.

I really don't even like Slayer, but I can get on board with the rest of it.

To make that fantasy complete, the cops would then do a lawn-job on O'Reilly with their squad cars.

324 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:44:14pm

re: #322 HAL2010

Right.
It's getting late, so I'm off to bed.

Tallyho!

weet dreams!

325 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:44:19pm

re: #172 darthstar

Great handle...my cat's name is B-flat. :)

Maybe your cat and I can do a duet.

326 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:44:29pm

re: #310 Floral Giraffe

Bah Humbug to Amazon!
Ebay has them...
[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

327 ryannon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:44:37pm

re: #296 HAL2010

Ah yes. The plebs spoke latin right?

The plebs spoke Plebish (Vulgar Latin)

328 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:45:05pm

OT, Avatar is doing well in London... the DVD should be on 42nd st by morning...

329 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:45:19pm

re: #325 b_sharp

Maybe your cat and I can do a duet.

Would you like my dog Banjo to join in?

330 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:45:42pm

re: #325 b_sharp

Maybe your cat and I can do a duet.

I have an old buddy that owns B_Sharp recording studio in Napa Valley..
Great nic dude

331 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:45:55pm
332 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:45:57pm

re: #309 b_sharp

Hell yes, he's red on the outside and drunk on the inside.

He promotes materialism and not spirituality, imo. Not the ideal of Santa, mind you- but the distorted representation he's become- selling everything under the sun in December except Mogan David.

333 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:46:08pm

re: #328 brookly red

OT, Avatar is doing well in London... the DVD should be on 42nd st by morning...

my wife won't go with me. sigh.

334 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:46:24pm

re: #268 MandyManners

The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness ..."[320]

The Nazis set about establishing their own rituals and holidays immediately after taking power. This interesting article from the party journal for such matters discusses what to do with existing holidays and rituals, most of which had a Christian basis. It suggests that holidays such as Christmas can be given new content, turning them into Nazi holidays rather than religous ones.

[Link: www.calvin.edu...]

335 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:46:44pm

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

The original text reads (in transliteration):

Vaya'as Elohim et chayat ha'arets leminah ve'et habehemah leminah ve'et kol-remes ha'adamah leminehu vayar Elohim ki-tov.

I'm checking the grammar on 'leminah'. Please hold.

Hmmm.

OK: We get roughly "God made the animals of the earth (leminah), and the cattle (leminah) and everthing that goes/creeps on the earth, (leminehu), and God said, it is good.

Sorry, I'm not the King James translation team.

The key word here is 'leminah'. The 'le' is a prefix meaning 'to', translated by the KJ team as 'according to', which is probably not bad. "Minah" has senses of 'part' or kind. I'm not a Hebrew expert, but I THINK (someone help me if I'm off) that I would translate "leminah" to mean 'according to HER kind', and 'leminehu' to mean 'according to their kind'.

In other words, I think the KJ translators are correct. The Genesis author, authors or Author are using 'leminah' because the modified word is feminine, but in English, using the inclusive, nongendered 'it's' for animals. The Conservative Bible is being dumbass, and assuming that 'its' is a fudge for the 'natural' masculine.

Anyone got a Tanach handy who is better than me at this?

336 theheat  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:46:48pm

re: #323 darthstar

And pee on his snow man.

337 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:46:51pm

re: #333 Aceofwhat?

my wife won't go with me. sigh.

to London or 42nd st?

338 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:47:19pm

It's really sad to see Juliette Ochieng (baldilocks) being used by white supremacist Robert Stacy McCain to promote his rancid agenda.

Oh well. So it goes.

339 Locker  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:47:38pm

re: #330 HoosierHoops

I have an old buddy that owns B_Sharp recording studio in Napa Valley..
Great nic dude

Hehe it's probably a music thing but I keep reading it as Be_Sharp! Kind of like B_Rad from Malibu's Most Wanted.

340 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:47:55pm

re: #282 Locker

Christmas sucks, it ruins my birthday every year. I say we bomb Christmas, drop some troops in and force it to move to June or something.

I think we should have a meeting with Christmas and talk about it first.

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:47:55pm

re: #296 HAL2010

Ah yes. The plebs spoke latin right?

The Roman plebs, yes. Think of it as being like Russian and French in Imperial Russia.

342 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:48:02pm

re: #336 theheat

And pee on his snow man.

If I saw a snow man in O'Reilly's yard, I'd stick a loofah in its hand and take a picture.

343 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:48:13pm

re: #337 brookly red

to London or 42nd st?

to see Avatar!

344 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:48:14pm

re: #299 HAL2010

Someone ought to write a book about this.

I'm sure they have written many.

345 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:48:58pm

re: #340 NJDhockeyfan

Just wait 50 years...then Santa moves to Atlantis.

346 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:49:06pm

re: #305 HAL2010

And 16 after my mum!

My poor aunt was actually born on CHristmas.

347 Locker  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:49:09pm

re: #340 NJDhockeyfan

I think we should have a meeting with Christmas and talk about it first.

Ok man but I'm sending Mr T not Bill Clinton.

348 idioma  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:49:47pm

First Amendment Clause Claus.

There I fixed it!

349 freetoken  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:50:07pm

re: #331 MandyManners

For the naughty.

350 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:50:17pm

Fun Fact:

If you sing "House of the Rising Sun" by the Animals, but subsitute the lyrics to "Oh Little Town of Bethlehem", it fits perfectly.

Oh little town of Bethlehem
(There is a house in New Orleans)
How still we see thee lie
(They call The Rising Sun)
Above thy deep and dreamless sleep
It's been the ruin of many a poor boy
(It's been the ruin of many a poor boy)
The silent stars go by
(And God, I know I'm one)

Even more War-On-Christmastly, you can sing the "Bethlehem" melody but use the "Rising Sun" lyrics instead.


A similar thing can be done with "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen", using the lyrics to the Gilligan's Island theme song. It works pretty well, but it takes an ear for odd meter.

God rest ye merry gentlemen
(Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale)
Let nothing you dismay)
(A tale of a fateful trip)
Remember Christ our saviour was born on Christmas Day
(That started on this tropic port aboard this tiny ship)
To save our souls from Satan's power when we had gone astray
(The mate was a mighty sailin' man, the skipper brave and sure)
Oh tidings of comfort and joy
(five passengers set sail that day for a three)
Comfort and joy
(Hour tour)
Oh tidings of comfort and joy
(a three hour tour)
etc etc.

351 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:51:26pm

re: #177 albusteve

are you offended being called a lefty?...is that the pollution?

Whether I'm offended by being called a lefty or not isn't relevant, what is relevant is the intent of the author in using the word. In the rightosphere, the term 'leftie' is used in a derogatory sense, not in a categorical sense. It is equivalent to socialist or communist.

It is generally used to poison the well so the opinions of people left of the author can be ignored out of hand.

352 dwells38  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:51:41pm

re: #158 bratwurst

I am sure he did what he did for the utterly cynical reason of feeding red meat to his fan base...but Tiller is dead all the same.

I hear ya. And far be it from me to take the role of defender of loud-mouthed, Fox News opiners. I just didn't think O'Reilly had reached the level of might-as-well-have-pulled-the-trigger.

Maybe I'm wrong.

353 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:51:58pm

re: #339 Locker

Hehe it's probably a music thing but I keep reading it as Be_Sharp! Kind of like B_Rad from Malibu's Most Wanted.

It wouldn't surprise me if Charles doesn't know David.. They recorded a Country song there that made the top 40 in Europe..
If the phone ain't ringing It's me not calling you
Crazy song..I was there when it was recorded...Love that song..Even if it is Country

354 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:52:22pm

re: #340 NJDhockeyfan

I think we should have a meeting with Christmas and talk about it first.

If you do that, the holidays will realize you're weak. Don't sit down with Christmas without conditions!

355 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:52:52pm

re: #181 MandyManners

IIRC, Hitler was not a Christian.

Hitler was a nut.

I know, I have a psych degree.

356 bosforus  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:53:23pm

Wanna hear a half hour story about a habitually suicidal cat whose ghosts appear as different colors? It's a quirky fun little story.

The Chromatic Ghosts of Thomas
by Ellis Parker Butler, 1907

357 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:54:00pm

re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist

If you do that, the holidays will realize you're weak. Don't sit down with Christmas without conditions!

Who is going to write the strongly-worded letter?

358 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:54:06pm

I'm working on a list.

Besides Mogen David, what doesn't Santa sell in advertisements?

359 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:54:29pm

re: #335 SanFranciscoZionist

Hmmm.

OK: We get roughly "God made the animals of the earth (leminah), and the cattle (leminah) and everthing that goes/creeps on the earth, (leminehu), and God said, it is good.

Sorry, I'm not the King James translation team.

The key word here is 'leminah'. The 'le' is a prefix meaning 'to', translated by the KJ team as 'according to', which is probably not bad. "Minah" has senses of 'part' or kind. I'm not a Hebrew expert, but I THINK (someone help me if I'm off) that I would translate "leminah" to mean 'according to HER kind', and 'leminehu' to mean 'according to their kind'.

In other words, I think the KJ translators are correct. The Genesis author, authors or Author are using 'leminah' because the modified word is feminine, but in English, using the inclusive, nongendered 'it's' for animals. The Conservative Bible is being dumbass, and assuming that 'its' is a fudge for the 'natural' masculine.

Anyone got a Tanach handy who is better than me at this?

You are correct. The "l'minah" and "l'minehu" are modified according to the gender of the nouns. "L'minah" after a feminine noun, "l'mino" after a male noun, "l'minehu" after a plural noun.

360 MandyManners  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:54:38pm

re: #334 NJDhockeyfan

The Nazis set about establishing their own rituals and holidays immediately after taking power. This interesting article from the party journal for such matters discusses what to do with existing holidays and rituals, most of which had a Christian basis. It suggests that holidays such as Christmas can be given new content, turning them into Nazi holidays rather than religous ones.

[Link: www.calvin.edu...]

Which Nazi big-wig converted to Islam? I think he fled to Egypt.

361 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:54:40pm

re: #186 The Curmudgeon

b_sharp? They're letting anyone get into this place. I remember when we had class.

I snuck in through the back door.

Hey C, your blog is rockin' lately.

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:55:18pm

re: #357 NJDhockeyfan

Who is going to write the strongly-worded letter?

The Easter Bunny?

363 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:55:29pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

Is he a flat cat? (Name that sci-fi reference!)

Robert A.

364 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:55:52pm

re: #358 Sharmuta

I'm working on a list.

Besides Mogen David, what doesn't Santa sell in advertisements?

Ho, Ho, Ho's ?

365 Jadespring  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:56:11pm

re: #350 negativ

I updinged you though I really don't like you right now. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen is one of those carols I hate anyways because it gets stuck in my head whenever I hear it at NOW it's even worse because it's stuck with that new tune. :)

366 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:56:38pm

re: #363 b_sharp

Robert A.

You get a---uh---flat cat? Very affectionate.

And an upding.

367 Sharmuta  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:57:18pm

re: #364 brookly red

Ho, Ho, Ho's ?

The LGF Calendar. I'm up to 2 items.

368 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:57:19pm

re: #357 NJDhockeyfan

Who is going to write the strongly-worded letter?

The Rabbit of Caerbannog!

369 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:57:52pm

re: #365 Jadespring

I updinged you though I really don't like you right now. God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen is one of those carols I hate anyways because it gets stuck in my head whenever I hear it at NOW it's even worse because it's stuck with that new tune. :)

Just sing "Good King Wenceslas" to drive away the earworm.

370 Cheechako  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:58:32pm

re: #302 Locker

Additionally I can not COUNT the amount of presents I got through my childhood that said "For Christmas and your birthday" on the tag.


Up ding. Have to agree 100% (12/22 for me)

371 Jadespring  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:58:54pm

re: #369 Alouette

Just sing "Good King Wenceslas" to drive away the earworm.

Grrr... that one is even worse!

372 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:59:10pm

re: #360 MandyManners

Which Nazi big-wig converted to Islam? I think he fled to Egypt.

Dr. Aribert Heim aka Tarek Hussein Farid

373 brookly red  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:59:33pm

re: #367 Sharmuta

The LGF Calendar. I'm up to 2 items.

Qur'ans? that would make 3...

374 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 6:59:43pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband refers to the Scots-Irish part of his family that's been puttering around the Southeastern US for about three hundred years as "the immigrant side of the family". (The other part is Cherokee and Creek. Don't tell him about land bridges, it doesn't work with his patter.)

LOL

No matter where you live, your ancestors were immigrants.

My kids are German, Scot, Ukrainian, English, Cree, and Ojibwa. My son married a woman from Japan. Eventually my descendants will be true Heinz 57s.

375 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:01:22pm

The worst ear-worm is "Rudolph, the red-nosed..."

376 dwells38  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:01:54pm

re: #374 b_sharp

AKA Mutts. LOL! I can say that because I are one.

377 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:01:55pm

re: #218 Charles

I don't C what all the fuss is about.

From my perspective, that joke fell flat.

378 freetoken  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:02:23pm

re: #375 Charles

You tempt me...

379 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:02:34pm

re: #375 Charles

The worst ear-worm is "Rudolph, the red-nosed..."

My kids like that song.

380 freetoken  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:04:18pm

re: #379 NJDhockeyfan

Will they like this version?

381 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:04:21pm

re: #222 albusteve

so 'lefty' is not pollution?...in your family?

I never said it was, but you might want to reread my post and try to see the sarcasm dripping from it.

382 Locker  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:06:29pm

It's lovely weather for a sleigh ride together with youuu...

383 darthstar  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:06:31pm

Okay...Street Kings is starting...nothing like a little Keanu Reeves and a glass of Woodford Reserve to kill a few hours with.

Cheers, everyone.

384 Racer X  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:06:47pm
385 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:07:18pm

re: #375 Charles

The worst ear-worm is "Rudolph, the red-nosed..."

Specifically, the Burl Ives version (maybe the first).

386 emcesq  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:08:34pm

D-D, D-F,
Thank you!

387 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:08:56pm

re: #253 The Curmudgeon

I ain't no kin to no tree. Besides, you've got a tree fetish because all they have in your frozen country is tundra.

Hey, have you ever tried to build an igloo out of frozen dirt and dog turd?

388 cliffster  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:09:08pm

You know what's nice? Sitting with my family on quiet December evenings in my nice cozy house and reading the story of Christmas from the Bible. In the privacy of my own home. Nobody trying to stop me, nobody trying to make me.

389 Racer X  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:09:33pm

HUDF Infrared: Dawn of the Galaxies

Click it. Make it big.

390 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:09:34pm
391 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:10:20pm

re: #181 MandyManners

IIRC, Hitler was not a Christian.

Hitler wrote:

“My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago — a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people. ... as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited.”

(speech delivered at Munich, April 12, 1922; from Norman H. Baynes, ed., The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1, New York: Oxford University Press, 1942, pp. 19-20. )

In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote,

... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work."

He quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.

Alfred Rosenberg stands as the major reason why so many American Christians think Nazism represented atheistic Nordic pagan beliefs instead of Nazi Christianity. Hitler chose Rosenberg to create a 'religion of the Blood'. However, Hitler also attempted to establish a Reich Christian Church for the future of Germany. Hitler, himself, did not believe in pagan cults. Rosenberg charged that the true picture of Jesus had been distorted by "fanatics" like Matthew, by "materialistic" rabbis like Paul, by African jurists like Tertullian, and the "mongrel half-breeds" like St. Augustine. The real Christ, wrote Rosenberg, was an Amorite Nordic, aggressive, courageous, "a man of true Nordic character," a revolutionary who opposed the Jewish and Roman systems with sword in hand, bringing not peace but war.

A view not entirely alien to red-blooded American Christian Dominionists.

392 freetoken  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:10:34pm

re: #385 Decatur Deb

You mean the original MontgomeryWards creation, the version later recorded by Gene Autry?

393 dwells38  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:10:37pm

re: #383 darthstar

Okay...Street Kings is starting...nothing like a little Keanu Reeves and a glass of Woodford Reserve to kill a few hours with.

Cheers, everyone.

A la Homer Simpson:
Woodford Reserve...mmm

And no I haven't drunk any yet but I am mentally eyeing the bottle Makers downstairs in the cabinet. It's almost Christma...Holiday time (lol) after all.

394 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:10:44pm

re: #256 ryannon

Z end?

Being a Canuck, it took me a minute to realize you weren't saying 'zed end' which doesn't make a helluva lotta sense.

395 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:10:48pm

re: #374 b_sharp

Oh yeah. Immigrants in the 1600's on the colonial ship Mary & John. My immigrant ancestors. 1630. I feel like we just got here. :)

396 BryanS  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:11:41pm

re: #6 SixDegrees

It's OK with me if they make the kiddies sing Christmas carols, as long as they include Mr. Garrison:


[Video]

Here's another from the South Park crew. I think it's funny, but then again I'm a heathen non-believer.

Warning--very graphic version. It really lives up to its name.

Most Offensive Song Ever

397 Locker  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:12:12pm

re: #388 cliffster

You know what's nice? Sitting with my family on quiet December evenings in my nice cozy house and reading the story of Christmas from the Bible. In the privacy of my own home. Nobody trying to stop me, nobody trying to make me.

That sounds nice man. Have a great one this year. We're not Christians but still love the Charlie Brown Christmas Special. Watch it every year with a brandy spiked egg nog.

398 Achilles Tang  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:12:48pm

re: #12 JasonA

In related news I found out today that North Carolina has a law that restricts office-holders to people who believe in God.

Well, Bush Sr. said he didn't think they could be patriots either. I never heard him retract.

399 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:12:50pm

re: #258 HAL2010

I like trees.
My preschool had a massive, five-hundred year old oak in the middle of the playground.
But then again, seeing how Sweden is 2/3 covered in trees, one better get used to them.

Although we have trees galore up north, every tree in my city was hand planted.
We do have some 100 year old Elms but nothing as grand as your oak.

400 Racer X  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:13:40pm
401 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:13:56pm

re: #271 Racer X

Where's that confounded bridge?

Led Zeppelin

402 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:15:14pm
403 The Curmudgeon  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:15:37pm

re: #387 b_sharp

Hey, have you ever tried to build an igloo out of frozen dirt and dog turd?

Actually ... no, I don't believe I have. What's it like?

404 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:15:50pm

re: #389 Racer X

HUDF Infrared: Dawn of the Galaxies

Click it. Make it big.

coool

405 Political Atheist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:16:15pm

re: #393 dwells38

One nice thing about beer is seasonal releases. I reccomend Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale. Just starting my 3rd this evening.

406 Racer X  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:18:06pm
407 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:18:19pm

re: #301 HoosierHoops

Hi Sweetheart.. I am so dressing him up..Last Christmas I dressed him up as a reindeer...I think Santa this year..My new avatar
Hope today finds you well

I have a 1m tall skeleton left over from Hallowed Eve that I want to put a Santa suit on and hang in the front yard. Anyone have a pattern for such a thing?

408 Locker  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:18:48pm

re: #407 b_sharp

I have a 1m tall skeleton left over from Hallowed Eve that I want to put a Santa suit on and hang in the front yard. Anyone have a pattern for such a thing?

I kill you!

409 cliffster  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:18:53pm

re: #397 Locker

That sounds nice man. Have a great one this year. We're not Christians but still love the Charlie Brown Christmas Special. Watch it every year with a brandy spiked egg nog.

Vince Guiraldi (sp?) and Linus are a good pair for all. I think that taking the winter months, relaxing, and being happy for all that you have is programmed into our genes.

410 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:19:10pm

For the foodies: Sweet Potatoes

Most people only eat them during the holidays and the usual mess of brown sugar, orange juice and marshmallows explains why people only tolerate them once or twice a year. They are healthy, inexpensive and they are part of our food heritage. They deserve more respect. Try this on your holiday table and maybe you'll consider eating them throughout the year...
Chipotle Sweet Potatoes

The whole episode is worth checking out here: Potato, My Sweet. They can be very versatile.

My suggestion for leftover Chipolte Sweet Potatoes is to make an Americanized version of Sheppard's Pie...
Saute one meduim onion and a few sliced Anduie sausages with a pat of butter or a dash of olive oil for 3-4 minutes.

Add one bunch of chopped collard greens and a squirt of lemon juice.
Saute for another 3-4 minutes then add 1/4 red wine. simmer to reduce.

Grease a shallow baking pan with butter. Fill the pan 1/3rd the way with the mashed Chipotle sweet potatoes. Fill another 3rd with sauteed sausage, onions and collard greens. Top the pan off with remaining mashed sweet potatoes. Sprinkle with nutmeg and bake for 20-30 minutes in a 350 degree oven.

411 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:19:56pm

re: #302 Locker

Additionally I can not COUNT the amount of presents I got through my childhood that said "For Christmas and your birthday" on the tag.

My wife's b-day in on Dec 28. That means I have to spend twice as much money at X-Mas.

And smile while doing it.

412 SteveC  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:20:15pm

"Run, you curs! Run! You tell 'em I'm coming! And hell's coming with me!"

//NOT Bill

413 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:20:35pm

re: #306 darthstar

Actually, Ace, I play the guitar (crappily) and the mandolin (even more crappily). I was just heading through the alphabet, though I realize now that Charles was playing on notes...and I understand he plays the guitar as well, only better.

I play the guitar, but worser.

414 SteveC  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:21:39pm

re: #413 b_sharp

I play the guitar, but worser.

You got skilz. I can't even play the radio.

415 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:21:50pm
416 Racer X  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:21:56pm

re: #410 Killgore Trout

Love sweet potatoes. I grill them when I'm cooking something outdoors.

417 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:22:41pm

re: #307 dwells38

Sorry to offend b_sharp. Was just short-cutting using leftist or lefty. Not trying to dehumanize or insult.

Also liked your post after "We 'leftists' are well aware that the Christian Right is not currently as dangerous as the Islamic terror organizations, et cet..."

No problem, I tend to get worked up about little things a little too quickly. I shouldn't have jumped down your throat.

Peace.

418 dwells38  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:23:48pm

Crap. Charles as usual you're more informed than I am:
Tiller the Baby Killer

Really, really damning against O'Rielly. I still doubt he meant that outcome but he was definitely irresponsible.

Sorry I don't watch him night after night and didn't realize he was hammering it like that.

419 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:24:03pm

re: #416 Racer X

Me too. Just wrap them in foil and throw them on the grill. Yum!

420 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:24:37pm

re: #324 HoosierHoops

weet dreams!

Sorry to intrude, but did you mean sweet dreams or wet dreams?

421 BryanS  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:24:43pm

re: #415 Ojoe

2 Santas Play Pipes

¥ikes! Bagpipe Christmas music? Maybe we could allow that to be mandatory--for students in after school detention.

422 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:25:09pm

re: #420 b_sharp

Sorry to intrude, but did you mean sweet dreams or wet dreams?

Yes.

423 Locker  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:25:30pm

re: #408 Locker

I kill you!

Hehe at least you got it SFZ. Here is a great video of Achmed singing Christmas Songs:

break.com - Achmed the undead terrorist sings Christmas songs

424 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:25:40pm

re: #329 darthstar

Would you like my dog Banjo to join in?

But then it wouldn't be a duet.

425 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:26:05pm

re: #415 Ojoe

The pipe band from Maguires Pub in Pensacola has a Christmas CD.

426 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:26:07pm

re: #375 Charles

The worst ear-worm is "Rudolph, the red-nosed..."

Sung "scat style"

427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:26:15pm

re: #421 BryanS

¥ikes! Bagpipe Christmas music? Maybe we could allow that to be mandatory--for students in after school detention.

Far Side had a cell once. Satan handing something to a man in a Tuxedo...
Caption read, "Welcome to hell, Maestro. Here's your accordion."

428 Racer X  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:27:03pm
429 hokiepride  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:28:36pm

Peter Brimelow being anti-immigrant is hilarious in its hypocrisy considering that he is an immigrant himself. Maybe he should go back to Britain before delivering sanctimonious lectures on immigration.

430 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:28:46pm

While we're feeling musical, does anyone else feel really uncomfortable when carolers show up? I lived in Cleveland for what felt like forever, and while I appreciated that the occasional band of carolers were just trying to be nice, I could never understand why a group of people wouldn't understand that standing with an open door watching strangers sing a carol that i may or may not like while the 10-degree wind is pouring into the house just isn't going to fill most people with christmas cheer.

you know?

431 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:29:53pm

re: #429 hokiepride

Peter Brimelow being anti-immigrant is hilarious in its hypocrisy considering that he is an immigrant himself. Maybe he should go back to Britain before delivering sanctimonious lectures on immigration.

Naw, he wants to avoid the new 90% tax in Britain.

432 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:30:01pm

re: #429 hokiepride

I was in Blacksburg yesterday.

433 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:31:38pm

re: #430 Aceofwhat?

While we're feeling musical, does anyone else feel really uncomfortable when carolers show up? I lived in Cleveland for what felt like forever, and while I appreciated that the occasional band of carolers were just trying to be nice, I could never understand why a group of people wouldn't understand that standing with an open door watching strangers sing a carol that i may or may not like while the 10-degree wind is pouring into the house just isn't going to fill most people with christmas cheer.

you know?

I did that one winter with my church. The elderly folks just loved seeing a bunch of kids singing carols to them. I will never forget that Christmas.

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:31:42pm

re: #428 Racer X

I have had such fun watching the Shat over the past few years.

EMBRACE YOUR INNER CAMPINESS!

435 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:32:29pm

re: #339 Locker

Hehe it's probably a music thing but I keep reading it as Be_Sharp! Kind of like B_Rad from Malibu's Most Wanted.

It comes from teaching my grandson the keys on an electric piano, but I use it because of the double meaning.

436 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:32:42pm

re: #433 NJDhockeyfan

I did that one winter with my church. The elderly folks just loved seeing a bunch of kids singing carols to them. I will never forget that Christmas.

Group home or regular neighborhood?

437 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:33:48pm

re: #430 Aceofwhat?

Did you get the memo about the eggnog?

438 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:34:26pm

re: #423 Locker

Hehe at least you got it SFZ. Here is a great video of Achmed singing Christmas Songs:

break.com - Achmed the undead terrorist sings Christmas songs

I am very partial to Achmed the Dead Terrorist. I didn't know he could sing, though.

439 cliffster  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:34:33pm

re: #430 Aceofwhat?

Wow, you reeeaallly suck ;)

440 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:34:47pm

re: #410 Killgore Trout

Favorited, to try!
Thanks!

441 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:35:40pm

re: #436 Aceofwhat?

Group home or regular neighborhood?

Neighborhood. We walked to their houses and sang to them from the yard.

442 Ojoe  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:36:17pm

The Dagenham Girl Pipers.

Enjoy.


Goodnight.

443 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:37:23pm

re: #441 NJDhockeyfan

The local fire engines & school kids do that here.
It's really a lot of fun!

444 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:37:36pm

re: #433 NJDhockeyfan

I did that one winter with my church. The elderly folks just loved seeing a bunch of kids singing carols to them. I will never forget that Christmas.

Totally random: I once read a short story where a Palestinian-American teenager wants to invite an old man from the neighborhood to go caroling with her church group. Her father says he probably doesn't know carols in English. Kid says, "How can you live in America for twenty years and not know "Jingle Bells"?

Her father says "I grew up just down the road from "Oh Little Town of Bethlehem, and I still don't know any of the words to that."

445 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:38:12pm

re: #434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have had such fun watching the Shat over the past few years.

EMBRACE YOUR INNER CAMPINESS!

Just in time for Christmas!

Spaced Out: The Best of Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner

1997 compilation on MCA featuring the best that Capt. Kirk &Mr. Spock recorded for the label between 1967-1970. Includesmaterial from all four of Nimoy's albums & Shatner's 'The Transformed Man'. Wacky fun ranging from Broadway numbers toprotest songs to Shakespeare narrations to covers of Dylan &Beatles tunes! 24 tracks in all, including Shatner's covers of 'It Was A Very Good Year', 'Mr. Tambourine Man' & 'Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds' and Nimoy's covers of 'Abraham, Martin And John', 'Put A Little Love In Your Heart' and 'Sunny'.

446 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:38:13pm

re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist

You get a---uh---flat cat? Very affectionate.

And an upding.

Only a true fan would know a reference to Robert A. is to Heinlein. (I need a thumbs up smiley here).

447 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:38:34pm

re: #440 Floral Giraffe

I'm experimenting with a sweet potato pasta. Looks really promising. I'll do a past post here soon.

448 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:39:06pm

re: #439 cliffster

Wow, you reeeaallly suck ;)

I know, right? But it's friggin freezing in Cleveland in the winter! It was cute for about 10 seconds and then your brain, no matter how polite you might otherwise be, starts to think of some really bizarre ways to make the hurting stop.

449 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:39:43pm

re: #410 Killgore Trout

For the foodies: Sweet Potatoes

The best way to eat sweet potatoes: split in half, rub with olive oil, salt, pepper and rosemary, and bake.

450 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:39:48pm

re: #447 Killgore Trout

Wouldn't that be carb overloading?

451 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:40:40pm

re: #430 Aceofwhat?

While we're feeling musical, does anyone else feel really uncomfortable when carolers show up? I lived in Cleveland for what felt like forever, and while I appreciated that the occasional band of carolers were just trying to be nice, I could never understand why a group of people wouldn't understand that standing with an open door watching strangers sing a carol that i may or may not like while the 10-degree wind is pouring into the house just isn't going to fill most people with christmas cheer.

you know?

You're supposed to invite them in for hot cider and wassail.

You didn't know?

452 hokiepride  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:41:29pm

re: #432 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It is a great place especially when the weather is good.

453 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:41:55pm

re: #450 Floral Giraffe

Wouldn't that be carb overloading?

I don't think so. The addition of sweet potatoes to pasta flour would greatly increase the nutritional and fiber content.

454 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:42:57pm

re: #395 Rightwingconspirator

Oh yeah. Immigrants in the 1600's on the colonial ship Mary & John. My immigrant ancestors. 1630. I feel like we just got here. :)

Wow, now I really feel like a newbie. My great grandad didn't get here until the late 19th, everyone else came later.

455 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:44:19pm

re: #398 Naso Tang

Well, Bush Sr. said he didn't think they could be patriots either. I never heard him retract.

I guess we atheists are the next group to demand equal treatment.

456 Achilles Tang  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:48:54pm

re: #455 b_sharp

I guess we atheists are the next group to demand equal treatment.

Problem is, we aren't a group. We are just the people next door and down the street.

457 What, me worry?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:49:10pm

re: #430 Aceofwhat?

I was a caroler as a kid. Grew up in Easton, PA (home of Larry Holmes) between 1964-1974. Did I mention I'm Jewish? heh

I was one of handful of a Jewish kids in a Christian neighborhood. I sang in the choir, went caroling, went on hayrides (which usually involved singing Christmas songs) and of course the mandatory Dreidel song, which was basically the summation of Hanukkah. lol

My mother felt that if I wasn't included, I'd be noticeably excluded and I was already a chubby Jewish kid with a funny name. We never had a tree or anything like that. I had my own Menorah, we celebrated Hanukkah. Actually, my friends used to be envious of our 8 days of gifts. I didn't quite get that because I thought there were 12 days of Christmas ("my true love gave to me...")!

When I asked who this Santa was, mom explained that it wasn't part of our religion and that other children are allowed to believe it. I wasn't to tell them any different. Actually, I was more disappointed we didn't have the Easter Bunny. He gave chocolate. Did I mention I was a chubby kid??

The majority of folks really did enjoy the caroling. We got cookies and cocoa pretty often.

Anyway, I'm still Jewish... and I know all the Christmas songs. So I don't know what all this means.

458 Achilles Tang  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:50:25pm

re: #457 marjoriemoon

Anyway, I'm still Jewish... and I know all the Christmas songs. So I don't know what all this means.

I'm an atheist and I know them too.

459 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:51:00pm

re: #403 The Curmudgeon

Actually ... no, I don't believe I have. What's it like?

How the hell would I know, I get my wife to do it. She's far more coordinated than I am.

There are so few trees in the southern part of our province that the early European settlers used sod or stones to build their houses. Only the doors, the shutters and the roofs were built of wood. We have the remnants of several sod houses within a stones throw of our city and quite a few stone buildings farther out.

460 dwells38  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:51:22pm

re: #457 marjoriemoon

Sweet story. And Marjorie's a nice name.

461 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:52:42pm

re: #460 dwells38

Sweet story. And Marjorie's a nice name.

I went to school with a bunch of girls named Marjorie. That name isn't as popular now as it used to be.

462 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:53:06pm

re: #457 marjoriemoon

i think it means you had a great family and a great childhood...just a guess!

463 What, me worry?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:53:16pm

re: #460 dwells38

Sweet story. And Marjorie's a nice name.

hehe Thanks. It's my middle name. My first name is a boy's name which today, odd names are pretty common, but not then.

464 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:54:37pm

re: #463 marjoriemoon

hehe Thanks. It's my middle name. My first name is a boy's name which today, odd names are pretty common, but not then.

Heh. My first name is also a "unisex" name. In fact there was a boy in my class with the same name.

No, my name is not Chris and it's not Pat.

465 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:55:17pm

re: #451 Alouette

You're supposed to invite them in for hot cider and wassail.

You didn't know?

Oh, i know. Holding a door open and freezing for an off-key rendition of God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen was already a stretch...inviting them in was right out!

466 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:55:39pm

re: #465 Aceofwhat?

Oh, i know. Holding a door open and freezing for an off-key rendition of God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen was already a stretch...inviting them in was right out!

You can't blame them for trying.

467 What, me worry?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:56:07pm

re: #464 Alouette

Heh. My first name is also a "unisex" name. In fact there was a boy in my class with the same name.

No, my name is not Chris and it's not Pat.

lol Unisex. I like that better!

468 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 7:58:39pm

re: #453 Killgore Trout

Do you have a favorite bok choy recipe? I got some beautiful baby bok choy & can't decide what to do with them! Your salmon link is just too much work!

469 pharmmajor  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 8:03:14pm

Charles, I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but I'm telling you that you would be a great asset to the Libertarian Party. We don't let pushy religious groups or whackjob conspiracy theorists dictate our policies. There's a great chance for collaboration with you and the LP to spread the word about how insane the left and right have become. Would you consider it?

470 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 8:04:20pm

re: #456 Naso Tang

Problem is, we aren't a group. We are just the people next door and down the street.

That seems to be changing, as shown by the adverts on the sides of buses.
We come from disparate backgrounds but we do have at least our disbelief in common. It may be enough.

471 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 8:05:28pm

re: #464 Alouette

Heh. My first name is also a "unisex" name. In fact there was a boy in my class with the same name.

No, my name is not Chris and it's not Pat.

Alex?

472 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 8:06:21pm

re: #464 Alouette

I like Alouette. Very pretty.

473 Locker  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 8:07:10pm

re: #469 pharmmajor

Charles, I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but I'm telling you that you would be a great asset to the Libertarian Party. We don't let pushy religious groups or whackjob conspiracy theorists dictate our policies. There's a great chance for collaboration with you and the LP to spread the word about how insane the left and right have become. Would you consider it?

Maybe you should talk to them about retaining Mr Johnson as paid sponsor. Libertarian commercials with Charles wearing Lib sneakers, Lib underwear and drinking Lib soda. I'm sure a suitable fee could be arranged.

474 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 8:15:37pm

re: #469 pharmmajor

Charles, I know I'm sounding like a broken record here, but I'm telling you that you would be a great asset to the Libertarian Party. We don't let pushy religious groups or whackjob conspiracy theorists dictate our policies. There's a great chance for collaboration with you and the LP to spread the word about how insane the left and right have become. Would you consider it?

You are asking Charles to join the Luap Nor RLOVEution? Are you freaking insane or just clueless?

475 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 8:22:52pm

I just took a break from my reading and writing on religious epistemology, and what do I see? A war on Christmas thread! What's funny is that earlier tonight before I got started on my school work, I jumped onto my facebook page and noticed the advent (heh) of the meme showing up there, right on schedule. As much as I like FB, their stupid polls feed into the worst impulses that drive people, including the War on Christmas TM crap. I may post a comment saying, "Nothing says 'Christian love' like fighting the annual War on Christmas!" After all, isn't our anger and hatred what Jesus says we should be known for? Ugh. I wish this were sarc.

476 Irenicum  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 8:25:32pm

OK, back to school work!

477 pharmmajor  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 8:31:10pm

re: #473 Locker

Maybe you should talk to them about retaining Mr Johnson as paid sponsor. Libertarian commercials with Charles wearing Lib sneakers, Lib underwear and drinking Lib soda. I'm sure a suitable fee could be arranged.

That could work. Have him get in touch with our agents.

In the meantime, here's a catchy little ditty that really sums up the spirit of the season: [Link: thatguywiththeglasses.com...]

478 Achilles Tang  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 8:43:12pm

re: #470 b_sharp

That seems to be changing, as shown by the adverts on the sides of buses.
We come from disparate backgrounds but we do have at least our disbelief in common. It may be enough.

I'm in two minds about the bus ads.

On the one hand I like to give back a little of what I get from the O'Reilly and Hannity's, but with more class.

On the other, I don't want to play their game. Objecting to specific discriminatory laws based on belief is one thing; "evangelizing" is another and I have no reason to try to dissuade anyone of their faith outside of objecting to it being imposed on me.

479 Sloppy  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 8:44:03pm

The caroling group I used to belong to always called ahead to let people know we were coming. That way they had a chance to clean up a little and, most important, get the booze ready.

480 Cato the Elder  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 9:07:34pm

re: #160 Aceofwhat?

I said it a few days ago - mix the races, and you get a predictable, repeatable result: gorgeous children. I love it when genetics make their point so clearly. Nature loves a diverse gene pool, and so does the God i believe in.

As I said earlier today:

Someone should ask Robert Stacy McCain if he objects to Brazilian beauties. Because most of them got that way through robust interracial coupling.

When people of different races mix, we get healthier and prettier children. It's when people refuse to do anyone who doesn't look like them that ugliness grows.

481 b_sharp  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 9:11:23pm

re: #478 Naso Tang

I'm in two minds about the bus ads.

On the one hand I like to give back a little of what I get from the O'Reilly and Hannity's, but with more class.

On the other, I don't want to play their game. Objecting to specific discriminatory laws based on belief is one thing; "evangelizing" is another and I have no reason to try to dissuade anyone of their faith outside of objecting to it being imposed on me.

We can't stay in the closet forever. The only way to push the envelope and get recognition is by getting out there. We don't have to necessarily get in their face, although I've had my fill of in-your-face religious ads, we can have a little more class. The bus ads I think do that well. I see no attempt to proselytize in any of them.

482 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 10, 2009 10:55:15pm

re: #275 WindUpBird

Crocoduck poke-volves into Quackagator.

Yes, but at what level?

483 copernic  Fri, Dec 11, 2009 6:34:27am

I can always tell the Fox watchers around Xmas time.

Typical exchange in my Conservatown.
Shopkeeper - "Merry Christmas! Or should I say Happy Holidays so as not to offend?"

I'm thinking "Hey how was O'Reilly last night?" And then I think "WTF?" why would that offend? We live in a predominately Christian part of the country. Not many Hindus, Muslims, or Jews around here. Why would they make the leap that the random person who walks in their place of business may feel offended by well wishes.

I replied sweetly "Why would you think that? I don't think anyone would be offended either way. Happy Holidays to you, too."

Thing is, they want validation for a phenomenon that doesn't exist. They don't say this to be nice and conscientious, but rather as a passive aggressive way to affirm fraternity amongst Xmas warriors. It's like a call/counter call to determine if you are a friendly or not. They hope we laugh along with them, shake our head, and sigh at the apparent absurdity that living in a multicultural society, reminding us that not everyone believes as they do. Yet no one is complaining except them.

484 middy  Fri, Dec 11, 2009 6:37:53am

“The frustration some religious conservatives have is they want a mythological religious America that probably never existed,”

QFT!

485 Achilles Tang  Fri, Dec 11, 2009 6:50:08am

re: #484 middy

“The frustration some religious conservatives have is they want a mythological religious America that probably never existed,”

QFT!

Probably?

486 Slap  Fri, Dec 11, 2009 7:33:27am

re: #481 b_sharp

re: #481 b_sharp

We can't stay in the closet forever. The only way to push the envelope and get recognition is by getting out there. We don't have to necessarily get in their face, although I've had my fill of in-your-face religious ads, we can have a little more class. The bus ads I think do that well. I see no attempt to proselytize in any of them.

Ah, but there's a whole lot of people piling furniture against the closet door. Dontcha know, nobody's supposed to know you even exist, the horror!

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=11431023

www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/Godless-Billboard-Moved-After-Threats/W0iGN9STXUW0m6VF2g2Xeg.cspx?234

It's just trbl.

487 William of Orange  Fri, Dec 11, 2009 7:35:48am

If Christmas is all about the birth of Jesus, than why do we always see a fat, bearded, red-coated, commercial troll of a Santa every year? No disrespect to Santa, I know children believe in it an that's fine with me, but Santaclaus has just as a connection to Christianity as the easterbunny... Never seen a war on them before.

War on Christmas, the seasonal regular non-issue of the year. (Or every year...)

488 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Dec 11, 2009 7:39:02am

Ms Hyatt is leading the initial move of another holiday-based attempt by A.C.R.O.S.S. to conquer a city as the first step in a plan for world domination. Il Palazzo has wisely shifted their efforts across the Pacific for this attempt. If a hyper-energetic school girl named Excel, or a robot disguised as a cute giant panda is sighted then the end for Redding is nigh!

///

489 celticdragon  Fri, Dec 11, 2009 8:34:13am

re: #115 brookly red

/I always get annoyed by people who panhandel for smokes but yet they have enough money for top shelf weapons... sheesh.

Obviously, the guy never watched this bit from "Night of the Comet".

Mac-10's jam. Use an MP-5 or an Uzi, LOL!

490 andres  Fri, Dec 11, 2009 9:21:22am

re: #1 Cannadian Club Akbar

Here's a good alternative for the traditional US egg nog.

491 andres  Fri, Dec 11, 2009 10:00:35am

re: #49 HillJack

That's one of the theories. The other theory is based on the day of death of Jesus, which is known. Depending on the calendar used to interpret the day, Jesus' birth would fall either on December 25 or January 6, both important dates in Christianity (US, like several countries, no longer celebrate Jan 6, but other countries with significant Christian population do).

492 gareth  Fri, Dec 11, 2009 10:49:47am

That is a more confident advertising campaign than the British Humanist Association managed: 'There's probably no God'. As ad campaigns go I thought that one was pretty feeble. Too wordy. Not much conviction behind it.

493 Diane  Fri, Dec 11, 2009 10:59:08am

Music, eggnog and moral superiority... I will take the rum!

While enthusiastic religious souls are trying to force Christmas music in California, a few years ago at my son's school, they edited a Christmas song to make it more inclusive by replacing the offensive word Christmas with "happy seasons or something nice and light".

As for the eggnog, let's just not plan having one in Baghdad. As they are closing nightclubs, it is bad for public morals. Meanwhile in Basra, the ban on alcohol was lifted... a few days ago, for now anyway.

Like alcohol, too much religious fervor or too much anti-religious fervor drains the minds and the hearts of common sense.

494 jayzee  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:10:34pm

Sorry I am late here, but this is one segment that has really bothered me about O'Reilly. I happen to believe that private businesses can do what they please, but government should be a religion free zone (including "secular" xmas trees.) That being said, I REALLY hate the whole happy holidays thing. First of all, it is said to coincide with Christmas, regardless of the fact that Christmas may be weeks after the last day of Chanukah. Secondly, it draws a comparison between Christmas and Chanukah when none exists. Chanukah is a relatively minor Jewish festival while Christmas is a major holiday. While I appreciate the attempt to be inclusive, I am also somewhat offended by the total lack of effort that goes into understanding a non Christian faith when people say "happy holidays".


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