GOP Climate Denier Profile: Rep. Joe Barton

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For a perfect example of the willfully, pig-headedly ignorant Republican position on climate change, check out this video from C-SPAN of Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tx).

The first question from C-SPAN’s moderator: “What causes, in your perspective, global warming?”

Barton’s reply:

Well, the short answer would be God.

Which might be OK if it really was just “the short answer.” The problem is that for Barton, this is the only answer.

Watch and weep. Where does ignorance this impenetrable come from? Perhaps … the energy industries?

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It’s like a six-course meal of stupid. Barton is the archetypal anti-science climate change denier. He categorically rejects all of the scientific evidence, from all of the sources.

And Barton, of course, is also a creationist. At a recent Subcommittee on Energy and Environment hearing titled, “Preparing for Climate Change: Adaptation Polities and Programs,” one of the “experts” called to testify by Barton and his GOP anti-science cronies (in addition to complete wacko Lord Christopher Monckton) was Dr. E. Calvin Beisner (PDF link), a young earth creationist. A quote from Beisner’s testimony:

The naturalist, atheistic world view sees Earth and all its ecosystems as the result of chance processes and therefore inherently unstable and fragile, vulnerable to enormous harm from tiny causes. The Biblical world view sees Earth and its ecosystems as the effect of a wise God’s creation and providential preservation and therefore robust, resilient, and self-regulating–like the product of any good engineer who ensures that the systems he designs have positive and negative feedback mechanisms to balance each other and prevent small perturbations from setting off a catastrophic cascade of reactions.

Here’s Barton at this ludicrous hearing; his solution to global warming? Find some shade.

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1 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:35:05pm

The short answer is always God. However, the long answer is what we need in this case.

2 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:36:31pm

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

The short answer is always God. However, the long answer is what we need in this case.

Thing is, that's not just the "short answer" for Barton. It's the only answer.

3 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:37:36pm

So... according to Dr. E. Calvin Beisner, the problem is materialism? Those scientists just have the wrong world view? Where have I hear that before?

4 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:37:37pm

Rep. Joe Barton - Top 5 Industries, 2007-2008, Campaign Committee

Industry Totals:

Oil & Gas $219,490
Electric Utilities $200,847
Health Professionals $179,834
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $166,150
Lawyers/Law Firms $81,850

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:38:55pm

re: #3 Sharmuta

So... according to Dr. E. Calvin Beisner, the problem is materialism? Those scientists just have the wrong world view? Where have I hear that before?

Well, if we stopped manufacturing so damn much stuff, we might have less impact on the environment, true, but somehow I don't think this is what this guy is talking about.

6 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:40:19pm

OMFG, the hits just keep a-coming. I feel like saying UnFreakinBelievable, but for that to literally be true I would have to be as much a denier as this guy.

Although I accept it as true, it's still shocking. I'm embarrassed that I didn't see this for what it was a few years ago.

7 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:41:10pm

re: #4 Gus 802

Oil & Gas $219,490
Electric Utilities $200,847
Health Professionals $179,834
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $166,150
Lawyers/Law Firms $81,850

The Lord provides, doncha know./

8 austin_blue  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:42:44pm

Sadly, Barton is pretty typical for a Texas Republican Congresscritter.

9 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:43:14pm

re: #6 BigPapa

A lot of money was spent to keep you in the dark on the subject, so don't beat yourself up too much.

10 Ojoe  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:44:42pm

Well I myself believe in a Creator, and also I know enough about science & engineering to know that the natural world can have "divergent" conditions.

So just assuming that the existence of a Creator means that all nature is pretty much fool proof is, well, nuts.

11 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:45:32pm

re: #8 austin_blue

In fairness to Texas, just yesterday the city of Houston, 4th largest city in the US, elected Annise Parker as Mayor. She and her partner, Kathy, have always been openly lesbian and Annise overcame some really ugly shit during this election.

I am very proud that Annise and Kathy have been friends of mine for over 15 years - they and their beautiful children are an asset to this state.

12 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:46:40pm

Pertinent Finances for Rep. Joe Barton from Schedule VI -2008:

Reliant Energy - Amount of income $5,001-15,000.
EOG Resources Houston TX - Natural Gas Royalties $50,001-100,000.
Carrizo Oil and Gas Inc. - Lease Bonus at Personal Residence - $2,501-5,000.

Previous filings here.

13 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:47:32pm

Like his ally Governor Goodhair Perry, Barton could not possibly be stupid enough to believe this himself. He is simply shilling for his financial supporters and telling his smugly ignorant base what they want to hear: This is all the work of pointy-headed intellectuals from the dark lands of yankee academia.

Why doesn't the GOP just rename itself the Morocratic Party and get it over with?

14 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:47:35pm

re: #12 Gus 802

Make that Form A. No Schedule VI.

15 Kewalo  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:47:51pm

WOW! I can't believe I got here when a thread is just starting. Yipee!

I also post at a message board and I've been almost exclusively been posting about global warming. And the person that I have been exchanging comments and links with will post from anywhere to try and prove her point and most of them are political like the Heartland Institute or from kooks. So, I've done a lot of reading of some of the kooks (Monckton is one of the worst) but I've finally reached a point where I just ignore some of the websites. Maybe some people refuse to acknowledge the overwhelming evidence because it goes against their religious views. I honestly hadn't thought of that.

I didn't know anything about the subject until I got curious about the emails. I don't know if you read the article from AP about the emails but it is one of the best.

[Link: www.google.com...]

And as long as I'm here I want to say how much I enjoy LGF. I just wish I had more time. I can see how this site could take all my time as it did when I first signed up. Thanks for picking such interesting topics Charles. And I've passed on the vid about AGW.

16 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:48:03pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, if we stopped manufacturing so damn much stuff, we might have less impact on the environment, true, but somehow I don't think this is what this guy is talking about.

I mean materialism in the terms of science:

Implicit in the intelligent design doctrine is a redefining of science and how it is conducted. Wedge strategy proponents are dogmatically opposed to materialism, naturalism, and evolution, and have made the removal of each from how science is conducted and taught an explicit goal.

17 austin_blue  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:48:06pm

re: #11 allegro

In fairness to Texas, just yesterday the city of Houston, 4th largest city in the US, elected Annise Parker as Mayor. She and her partner, Kathy, have always been openly lesbian and Annise overcame some really ugly shit during this election.

I am very proud that Annise and Kathy have been friends of mine for over 15 years - they and their beautiful children are an asset to this state.

Read that today. That *was* one nasty campaign. I just hope your mayor, Bill White, gets some traction next fall. Maybe if The Cheerleaders kick each other's guts out this spring he'll have a chance.

18 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:50:10pm
The Biblical world view sees Earth and its ecosystems as the effect of a wise God’s creation and providential preservation and therefore robust, resilient, and self-regulating–like the product of any good engineer who ensures that the systems he designs have positive and negative feedback mechanisms to balance each other and prevent small perturbations from setting off a catastrophic cascade of reactions.

I would call this Fatalism. In this respect, the Christian fundamentalists are not much better than islamic fundamentalists who likewise leave fate in the hands of allah at all times.

19 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:50:27pm

re: #9 Obdicut

A lot of money was spent to keep you in the dark on the subject, so don't beat yourself up too much.

I also admit to a little bit of merely being against AlGore and the rabid left, because they were for believing in AGW.

There, I said it. I don't know if the truth set me free or if it's just the beer, but either way it feels good.

20 jaunte  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:50:30pm

re: #16 Sharmuta

'Materialism', also known as 'evidence.'

21 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:50:39pm

re: #17 austin_blue

I just hope your mayor, Bill White, gets some traction next fall.

You and me both! He's a great guy and would be a wonderful governor. There's enough blue in Texas to get it done, I hope. The race between goodhair and Kay should be a good popcorn event.

22 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:53:20pm

re: #17 austin_blue

Read that today. That *was* one nasty campaign. I just hope your mayor, Bill White, gets some traction next fall. Maybe if The Cheerleaders kick each other's guts out this spring he'll have a chance.

I'd rather see Kay Hutchison in as Gov. She's competent and not wholly beholden to the loonies like Perry is.

23 austin_blue  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:53:49pm

re: #21 allegro

You and me both! He's a great guy and would be a wonderful governor. There's enough blue in Texas to get it done, I hope. The race between goodhair and Kay should be a good popcorn event.

For those who are interested, please note that many Texas Dems would be comfortably moderate to liberal R's in other states. Bill White is one of those. Very much a pragmatist.

24 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:54:20pm

re: #19 BigPapa

I also admit to a little bit of merely being against AlGore and the rabid left, because they were for believing in AGW.

There, I said it. I don't know if the truth set me free or if it's just the beer, but either way it feels good.

/Oh, your only against algore & the rabid left? Thats's OK it's not your a skeptic or something...

25 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:54:26pm

re: #20 jaunte

'Materialism', also known as 'evidence.'

Indeed- that pesky evidence. Funny how both the AGW deniers and the creationists never seem to bring any of their own.

26 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:54:50pm

re: #19 BigPapa

I also admit to a little bit of merely being against AlGore and the rabid left, because they were for believing in AGW.

There, I said it. I don't know if the truth set me free or if it's just the beer, but either way it feels good.

So was I, to be honest. I was hostile to the idea of AGW mostly because i disliked and intensely distrusted the messengers.

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:56:03pm

re: #25 Sharmuta

Indeed- that pesky evidence. Funny how both the AGW deniers and the creationists never seem to bring any of their own.

They have it. It's the Bible.

28 austin_blue  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:56:35pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

I'd rather see Kay Hutchison in as Gov. She's competent and not wholly beholden to the loonies like Perry is.

That's not how she's campaigning, though. Both of The Cheerleaders are trying to out Far Right each other. They are real busy calling each other Liberals.

29 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:56:53pm

I have it on good authority that Amaterasu causes GW, not God.
/;)

30 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:57:10pm

Hmmm I just noticed something...

We all know that at the end of the day, the GOP is doing this because of their ties to big oil. Even if you go ideological, and give him more credit than he deserves, he is worried about protecting America from what he sees as something that will disrupt the free market. For certain, unlike evolution, there really aren't any biblical verses that even a literalist reading could use to contradict AGW.

So it is about money first and last.

However, as has been mentioned many times, domestic production of energy would create hundreds of thousands of jobs, stimulate the economy tremendously and stop the hemorrhaging of money to nations that hate us.

So it is about *his* money, being an Oil boy and all.

So naturally, he is rejecting science categorically and risking the lives of those he is supposed to serve for the sake of his money.

Didn't Jesus say something about the wealthy having a hard time getting into heaven?

31 Kewalo  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:59:14pm

re: #10 Ojoe

Well I myself believe in a Creator, and also I know enough about science & engineering to know that the natural world can have "divergent" conditions.

So just assuming that the existence of a Creator means that all nature is pretty much fool proof is, well, nuts.

I not only believe in God, but believe in the message the Jesus came to deliver.

What really pisses me off is that these fundamentalists try and make God small. It's like that old joke about the guy that was drowning and refused a boat and a helicopter to save him, saying that God would save him. And when he finally drowns and meets God and asks him where he was, God tells him he sent the boat and helicopter. It seems to me that we should be using the brains that God so thoughtfully helped to provide us. If I were God, I'd be very pissed off at the fundamentalists for not using their God given brains. We dirtied the planet, we should clean it up.

Barton is just a complete idiot and a piss-poor Christian on top of it all.

32 SixDegrees  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 1:59:25pm

Well, this thread's over with, at least as far as reasonable, rational discussion is concerned.

33 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:00:03pm

re: #30 LudwigVanQuixote

Hmmm I just noticed something...

We all know that at the end of the day, the GOP is doing this because of their ties to big oil. Even if you go ideological, and give him more credit than he deserves, he is worried about protecting America from what he sees as something that will disrupt the free market. For certain, unlike evolution, there really aren't any biblical verses that even a literalist reading could use to contradict AGW.

So it is about money first and last.

However, as has been mentioned many times, domestic production of energy would create hundreds of thousands of jobs, stimulate the economy tremendously and stop the hemorrhaging of money to nations that hate us.

So it is about *his* money, being an Oil boy and all.

So naturally, he is rejecting science categorically and risking the lives of those he is supposed to serve for the sake of his money.

Didn't Jesus say something about the wealthy having a hard time getting into heaven?

I do believe that there was more to it than that.

34 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:01:20pm

re: #28 austin_blue

That's not how she's campaigning, though. Both of The Cheerleaders are trying to out Far Right each other. They are real busy calling each other Liberals.

She almost has to do that, the way Perry and Luap Nor have tied the Texas GOP in knots. I'd like her to win, but only after White has pulled her back towards the center.

35 PatA  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:02:20pm

Joe is my congress critter. I have voted for him and will continue to do so. He is right about this. AGW is nothing more than the worlds largest con which reminds me of Rather's fake but accurate.

36 anie  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:02:25pm

This doesn't even make sense theologically, let alone scientifically. The "Christians" would have to admit that the human body is also a creation of God. Yet we seem to have plenty of capacity to mess it up and cause all sorts of irreparable harm to it. Why would the planet be any different? As a person who does believe in God, I want these morons to stop attributing their stupid to God. Many people of faith see AGW as God allowing the consequences of human behavior. Consequently, theology, science, and any form of common sense dictate that these denialists be refuted.

37 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:02:36pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

I'd like her to win, but only after White has pulled her back towards the center.

How 'bout we just let White win - he's already there and we won't have to wonder. ;)

38 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:02:50pm

Here they come again.

39 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:03:34pm

re: #30 LudwigVanQuixote

That's a very cynical take on it. It's probably a couple of reasons beyond the direct impact to his bank account or those of his closest friends. Why do I think that? Because I think he's honest: he believes that it's up to God, and it will destroy the free market, and of course some kinda commie stuff is behind it too.

40 austin_blue  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:03:49pm

re: #35 PatA

Joe is my congress critter. I have voted for him and will continue to do so. He is right about this. AGW is nothing more than the worlds largest con which reminds me of Rather's fake but accurate.

Willful ignorance is no way to go through life, my son.

41 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:04:56pm

Clean up Aisle 35!

42 Basho  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:05:14pm

re: #35 PatA

Joe is my congress critter. I have voted for him and will continue to do so. He is right about this. AGW is nothing more than the worlds largest con which reminds me of Rather's fake but accurate.

Houston elected a gay mayor. Maybe they're ready to toss out Joe and the rest of his ilk. I credit SpaceJesus for turning Texas around.

43 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:05:35pm

re: #30 LudwigVanQuixote

Hmmm I just noticed something...

We all know that at the end of the day, the GOP is doing this because of their ties to big oil. Even if you go ideological, and give him more credit than he deserves, he is worried about protecting America from what he sees as something that will disrupt the free market. For certain, unlike evolution, there really aren't any biblical verses that even a literalist reading could use to contradict AGW.

So it is about money first and last.

However, as has been mentioned many times, domestic production of energy would create hundreds of thousands of jobs, stimulate the economy tremendously and stop the hemorrhaging of money to nations that hate us.

So it is about *his* money, being an Oil boy and all.

So naturally, he is rejecting science categorically and risking the lives of those he is supposed to serve for the sake of his money.

Didn't Jesus say something about the wealthy having a hard time getting into heaven?

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." (Matthew 19:24)

44 What, me worry?  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:05:45pm

re: #11 allegro

In fairness to Texas, just yesterday the city of Houston, 4th largest city in the US, elected Annise Parker as Mayor. She and her partner, Kathy, have always been openly lesbian and Annise overcame some really ugly shit during this election.

I am very proud that Annise and Kathy have been friends of mine for over 15 years - they and their beautiful children are an asset to this state.

They did? Bravo! I had been following that race for awhile. Looked very interesting. She seems like a terrific person. Congrats!

45 Basho  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:06:22pm

re: #39 BigPapa

That's a very cynical take on it. It's probably a couple of reasons beyond the direct impact to his bank account or those of his closest friends. Why do I think that? Because I think he's honest: he believes that it's up to God, and it will destroy the free market, and of course some kinda commie stuff is behind it too.

Anyone know if Joe is a member of "The Family"?

46 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:06:25pm

re: #41 BigPapa

Clean up Aisle 35!


/do we stone him or burn him?

47 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:07:20pm

Watched a bit of Christian programing on the tube at a relatives house recently. A couple of guys that I don't recognize were discussing Copenhagen and AGW. For them, the whole thing boiled down to AGW being yet another atheist plot to kill God.

Left me wondering just how many people out there are buying what those two were selling.

48 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:07:44pm

re: #33 brookly red

I do believe that there was more to it than that.

From Jesus, certainly - and it is above my pay grade to comment on that scripturally. However, my cursory understanding of Christianity would seem to be that Jesus would take a dim view of betraying those you are sworn to serve for profit.

I brought the point mostly to highlight the utter hypocrisy of these people.

The world scientific community is telling him that we are headed for a catastrophe, and all he can think of his his oil profits. If the world scientific community told him that looking at Playboy causes cancer, or something equally preposterous, but that someone like him would love to hear for ideological reasons, he would be all for it. He would take endless action to back those great scientists.

However, the realities of AGW might affect his pocket book or the pocket books of those who put him in office.

So no. It is about money. It is about him protecting his own short term interests at the expense of others. HE can not even be bothered to learn the science.

So again, I will not comment on the Christian aspect too much, but I am really certain that they take the same view of abusing others for profit that we Jews do - and of course I would not bring it up at all, except this loon likes to bang his bible a lot.

49 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:07:49pm

re: #35 PatA

I'd ask Ludwig to remind of just what AGW in a bad-case scenario will mean, but I know that would be a wasted effort. So I'll just say:

GAZE

50 Bagua  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:07:55pm

re: #42 Basho

Houston elected a gay mayor. Maybe they're ready to toss out Joe and the rest of his ilk. I credit SpaceJesus for turning Texas around.

Why is her sexuality an issue?

51 freetoken  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:07:59pm

re: #30 LudwigVanQuixote

For certain, unlike evolution, there really aren't any biblical verses that even a literalist reading could use to contradict AGW.

Hmmm... what about this:

13 So if you faithfully obey the commands I am giving you today—to love the LORD your God and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul- 14 then I will send rain on your land in its season, both autumn and spring rains, so that you may gather in your grain, new wine and oil. 15 I will provide grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will eat and be satisfied.

Your text to link...

And so forth... several verses like this.

52 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:08:16pm

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

...atheist plot to kill God.

They sure don't give their god a whole lotta credit do they.

53 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:08:52pm

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

Watched a bit of Christian programing on the tube at a relatives house recently. A couple of guys that I don't recognize were discussing Copenhagen and AGW. For them, the whole thing boiled down to AGW being yet another atheist plot to kill God.

Left me wondering just how many people out there are buying what those two were selling.

A LOT of people are buying it.

54 webevintage  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:08:58pm

re: #35 PatA

Joe is my congress critter. I have voted for him and will continue to do so. He is right about this. AGW is nothing more than the worlds largest con which reminds me of Rather's fake but accurate.

Seriously?
There have got to be better Republicans in them parts to vote for then ones who celebrate stupid.

55 elizajane  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:09:00pm

Just got off the airplane from Europe and, sitting at the airport waiting for a connection, this is the first politics item I read. How to live in a country so abundant in idiocy?

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:09:12pm

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

For them, the whole thing boiled down to AGW being yet another atheist plot to kill God.

Wait, we're heating up the planet so God will pass out and hit Her head on a side table? That is a pretty sinister plan. I'm agin it.

57 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:10:29pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

Crack me up.

58 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:10:54pm

re: #50 Bagua

Houston elected a gay mayor. Maybe they're ready to toss out Joe and the rest of his ilk. I credit SpaceJesus for turning Texas around.

Why is her sexuality an issue?

You're kidding, right? Clearly it isn't for the majority of Houstonians who voted. But there were rightwing/fundie email campaigns that were among the most vicious and ugly I've ever seen regarding her sexuality.

59 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:11:08pm

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

Watched a bit of Christian programing on the tube at a relatives house recently. A couple of guys that I don't recognize were discussing Copenhagen and AGW. For them, the whole thing boiled down to AGW being yet another atheist plot to kill God.

Left me wondering just how many people out there are buying what those two were selling.

Curious, why would I wish to kill something that, to me, does not exist?..

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:11:09pm

re: #50 Bagua

Why is her sexuality an issue?

Dunno. You could ask these guys.

61 webevintage  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:11:22pm

re: #50 Bagua

Why is her sexuality an issue?

I think because her opponent made it one in the last days of the campaign.

62 freetoken  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:11:30pm

re: #53 Charles

A LOT of people are buying it.

Yes, the number of stories on blogs and news sites is amazing. Watching the NewsNow feed, for example, every 5 minutes or so a new one comes up on how AGW is the greatest hoax ever, it's just a con game, la la la...

The blather-o-sphere has really latched onto the idea that those nasty scientists are conspiring with the New World Order's desire to take America down.

63 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:12:08pm

re: #52 allegro

The idea was that God controls everything, that He is perfect, and that His creation (earth) is perfect, and so the notion that man can negatively affect the planet is an out right denial of God's existence.

64 Lidane  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:12:42pm

re: #23 austin_blue

For those who are interested, please note that many Texas Dems would be comfortably moderate to liberal R's in other states.

This would have been true in my case if the GOP wasn't currently being overrun by the loonies. I'm a pragmatist at heart -- socially liberal, fiscally moderate -- and could see myself voting for the less insane Republicans I've seen, like Snowe and Collins, but no way in hell would I vote Republican here in Texas. They're too far to the right for my tastes.

65 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:13:12pm

re: #62 freetoken

Yes, the number of stories on blogs and news sites is amazing. Watching the NewsNow feed, for example, every 5 minutes or so a new one comes up on how AGW is the greatest hoax ever, it's just a con game, la la la...

The blather-o-sphere has really latched onto the idea that those nasty scientists are conspiring with the New World Order's desire to take America down.

You got yer sience, you got yer politics. 2 different animals.

66 jaunte  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:13:16pm

re: #50 Bagua

Why is her sexuality an issue?

It does appear to be the headline of all the stories about the election, but I think her experience and money managing skills are what won the race.

67 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:13:41pm

re: #61 webevintage

I think because her opponent made it one in the last days of the campaign.

If Locke (her opponent) made it one, he did it through others. Never did he express anything openly. He's a good guy.

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:13:58pm

re: #53 Charles

A LOT of people are buying it.

Now you're going to make me cry. ;_;

Critical thinking seems to be rare these days.

69 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:14:42pm

re: #45 Basho

Anyone know if Joe is a member of "The Family"?

I think he's either a hang-around or a prospect but not a made member yet.
Btw, Joe is also elbow deep in telecom hijinks that would make net neutrality all but impossible. He is co-sponsor of the Barton-Rush Act of 2006, which would allow telephone companies to compete with cable tv companies, essentially making it possible to create a multi-tier net in which sites could move faster if they paid an additional fee to providers.
Since most of Joe's constituents apparently think "net neutrality" is something like the fairness doctrine, he will probably get away with this outrageous promotion of vested interest.

70 jayzee  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:14:42pm

Idiot. Short answer G-d. I happen to be a believer in G-d, but I also believe that just because something exists within G-d's universe does not mean we should not try to overcome it. Poo-pooing something away because G-d caused it is absurd. We have invented medicines, and other really cool things that have saved lives, you think he just prayers over a loved one when they have a fever, withholding antibiotics?

71 transient  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:15:15pm

re: #51 freetoken

Your text to link...

And so forth... several verses like this.


So...God is causing climate instability as punishment for our sins?
/

72 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:15:47pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

Curious, why would I wish to kill something that, to me, does not exist?..

Because in reality, you are not an atheist. You are simply a satanist in secular clothing.
/

73 Blueheron  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:15:59pm

re: #2 Charles

Thing is, that's not just the "short answer" for Barton. It's the only answer.

God gave us dominion over the earth so we must take care of it not ignore it when it is ill.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:16:16pm

re: #71 transient

So...God is causing climate instability as punishment for our sins?
/

Seems more probable to me than that we can do whatever we want, and still get our rain in spring and autumn because we just believe so damn hard.

75 Bagua  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:16:22pm

Faith and hope are wonderfully innate human emotions, they help us fend off despair and depression when our lot in life is bitter. I envy those with such psychologically stabilising beliefs, they seem more at peace with the world.

With that said, the suggestion that Jesus is going to adjust the climate is a personal belief, and I would be offended if it was imposed upon me or used as a public policy.

76 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:16:24pm

re: #72 Slumbering Behemoth

Because in reality, you are not an atheist. You are simply a satanist in secular clothing.
/

Really? I though I was a CommuNazi...
/:)

77 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:16:49pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

It would be nice to debate something that doesn't have to do with god, God, the end of the world, commie plots, war, evil, etc, et al...

78 Basho  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:16:53pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

Thanks. Not a surprise about his views on net neutrality. Ludwig was right about this greedy �!@#.

79 Blueheron  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:17:23pm

re: #4 Gus 802

Rep. Joe Barton - Top 5 Industries, 2007-2008, Campaign Committee

Industry Totals:

Oil & Gas $219,490
Electric Utilities $200,847
Health Professionals $179,834
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $166,150
Lawyers/Law Firms $81,850


Pharmeceuticals are showing up in our drinking water. That worries me a great deal.

80 freetoken  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:17:43pm

re: #71 transient

So...God is causing climate instability as punishment for our sins?

heh, don't shoot the messenger, I didn't write it...

81 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:18:23pm

re: #72 Slumbering Behemoth

Because in reality, you are not an atheist. You are simply a satanist in secular clothing.
/

No, God is causing Britney Jackson Springer Reality TV Shows as punishment for our sins.

82 transient  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:18:42pm

re: #80 freetoken

heh, don't shoot the messenger, I didn't write it...

Just extrapolating, and hypothesizing. Or are those terms verboten?

83 Blueheron  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:19:04pm

re: #10 Ojoe

Well I myself believe in a Creator, and also I know enough about science & engineering to know that the natural world can have "divergent" conditions.

So just assuming that the existence of a Creator means that all nature is pretty much fool proof is, well, nuts.

Yes it doesn't say we can't screw it up.

84 LudwigVanQuixote  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:19:18pm

re: #51 freetoken

Your text to link...

And so forth... several verses like this.

Well this is the Shema... I say it at least twice a day.

The key there is IF. It's an injunction. It's God saying that he rewards the righteous, but that if we are not righteous, he will let us suffer the consequences. The idea is not so much that he will zot you with a lightening bolt, since we believe HE hides his face. Rather, the idea, is that all those stupid things you do, which "luckily" turned out ok, will catch up to you.

If you can argue that the US, and the rest of the world, is righteous enough that we merit God, intervening with the laws of nature to miraculously save us from our own follies, then I would feel better.

85 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:19:32pm

re: #79 Blueheron

Pharmeceuticals are showing up in our drinking water. That worries me a great deal.


/ but in ammounts to small to do any good.

86 Basho  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:20:08pm

re: #85 brookly red

/ but in ammounts to small to do any good.

lol :)

87 Bagua  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:20:13pm

re: #66 jaunte

It does appear to be the headline of all the stories about the election, but I think her experience and money managing skills are what won the race.

That's just the vile MSM always trying to find a personal angle to every story. It's never the issues, but always the candidates personal lives, and who they like and who likes them. How revolting.

Other than a small minority of nutters, the majority of voters cared little about the new mayors private life, as was proven by her election.

88 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:20:37pm

re: #81 BigPapa

No, God is causing Britney Jackson Springer Reality TV Shows as punishment for our sins.

...Wait, I thought those were the work of Satan?.. Yeesh, how bad's the crap he'd make for television?
/

89 transient  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:20:50pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Seems more probable to me than that we can do whatever we want, and still get our rain in spring and autumn because we just believe so damn hard.

Sometimes the science is tricky to understand (and by tricky, I don't mean deceptive...I guess we have to clarify our terms now to be beyond suspicion...) but no more so than the contortions the creationists and antiAGW fanatics come up with.

90 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:21:26pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno. You could ask these guys.

(OT)

Looks like it was the result of a mailer and endorsement sent out by conservative Republican Dr. Steven F. Hotze.

Anti-gay activist's endorsement puts Locke on the spot

Get this. He's the doctor mentioned in the now infamous book by Suzanne Somers with websites here and here.

Also see Dr. Steven Hotze vs. the Endocrinologists.

91 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:21:45pm

re: #77 BigPapa

It would be nice to debate something that doesn't have to do with god, God, the end of the world, commie plots, war, evil, etc, et al...

Personally, I think TV is an invention of the devil but I don't think this is what Joe has in mind when he helps the phone company muscle in on their action.

92 Basho  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:22:23pm

re: #89 transient

Sometimes the science is tricky to understand (and by tricky, I don't mean deceptive...I guess we have to clarify our terms now to be beyond suspicion...) but no more so than the contortions the creationists and antiAGW fanatics come up with.

I've always been amazed that creationists read so much anti-evolution literature but can't find the time to go through a biology textbook.

93 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:23:54pm

re: #90 Gus 802

Republican Dr. Steven F. Hotze.

He's one of the most direct reasons I stopped voting for anyone with an "R" after their name back in the '80s.

94 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:24:23pm

re: #73 Blueheron

God gave us dominion over the earth

I have heard this used to excuse away all kinds of ugliness, most recently dog fighting.

I always point out (as you do in your post) that our role in this gifted dominion is that of shepherds, not exploiters.

95 Kilroy  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:25:17pm

What's the Islamic view on AGW. I see most of the oil being sucked out of the ground by religious states and Norway; yet no discussion about capping wells or their carbon footprint. Maybe CO2 should be stopped at the source?

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:25:18pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

...Wait, I thought those were the work of Satan?.. Yeesh, how bad's the crap he'd make for television?
/

Serendipity: I'm responsible for nineteen of the twenty top-grossing films of all time.

Bethany: Nineteen?

Serendipity: Yeah, the one about the kid, by himself in his house, burglars trying to get in and he fights them off? I had nothing to do with that one. Somebody sold their soul to Satan to get the grosses up on that piece of shit.

97 What, me worry?  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:25:27pm

Maimonedes, the Rambam, was one of our greatest scholars. He was also a physician, a man of science. He always said that if science contradicts the Torah, than it is the Torah we do not understand and need to go back to see what we missed.

98 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:26:13pm

Intense Geminid Meteor Shower Peaks Tonight

the Geminid show should feature as many as 140 shooting stars per hour between Sunday evening and Monday morning.

The Geminids are slow meteors that create beautiful long arcs across the sky—many lasting a second or two.

Favoring observers in the Northern Hemisphere, the Geminids are expected to be most frequent within two hours of 1:10 a.m. ET in the wee hours of Monday.

99 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:26:59pm

re: #93 allegro

He's one of the most direct reasons I stopped voting for anyone with an "R" after their name back in the '80s.

He looks like your typical highly commercialized "nutritionally" guided MDs. Even rails against vaccinations from time to time. Not sure if he's an anti-vaxer yet but Hotze was against Perry's decision on the human papilloma virus vaccine.

100 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:27:03pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

Yeesh, how bad's the crap he'd make for television?

Pr0n and bloody, violent cartoons. Not so bad, actually.
/

101 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:27:34pm

re: #95 Kilroy

What's the Islamic view on AGW. I see most of the oil being sucked out of the ground by religious states and Norway; yet no discussion about capping wells or their carbon footprint. Maybe CO2 should be stopped at the source?

They deny it, of course.

102 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:28:43pm

re: #87 Bagua

That's just the vile MSM always trying to find a personal angle to every story.

That's completely ludicrous.

From one of the articles:

Two of Locke's key supporters contributed money to a conservative political action committee that sent out an anti-gay mailer earlier this month urging voters not to pick Parker because she was endorsed by the "gay and lesbian political caucus." Campaign finance reports show Ned Holmes, finance chairman of Locke's campaign, and James Dannenbaum, a member of the campaign's finance committee, each gave $20,000.


...

Dave Wilson, a longtime anti-gay activist who once led a successful campaign to prohibit benefits for the domestic partners of city employees, sent out 34,000 mailers opposing Parker.


...

The Houston Area Pastor Council also discouraged voters from choosing Parker, saying she is an "open advocate of a gay agenda." The pastors worry Parker will try to re-establish domestic partner benefits for city workers, even though she has said she has no plans to.

Locke has condemned the divisive rhetoric, but accepted the endorsements from anti-gay activists. Locke has said he would "accept endorsements from those people who believe I am the best candidate."

103 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:28:55pm

re: #99 Gus 802

He looks like your typical highly commercialized "nutritionally" guided MDs. Even rails against vaccinations from time to time. Not sure if he's an anti-vaxer yet but Hotze was against Perry's decision on the human papilloma virus vaccine.

Last I looked he was an allergy specialist. Guess he found more $$ in the diet industry. He would certainly be against HPV vaccines since he would prefer women die from their "sins" of, yanno, being sexual.

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:29:10pm

I'm watching Maziar Bahari on The Daily Show. Very forgiving, that guy.

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:30:54pm

"You know, we hear so much about the banality of evil, but so little about the stupidity of evil."--Jon Stewart

106 Bagua  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:31:21pm

re: #61 webevintage

I think because her opponent made it one in the last days of the campaign.

He was defeated by a majority of the voters. No one cared. And her main opponent did not "make it" an issue, some activist groups did that. Gene Locke is a good man.


"Gene is disappointed and wishes that Ned Holmes had not made that contribution. Gene has been very clear with his supporters to not participate in divisive campaigning," Kim Devlin, a senior Locke adviser said in a statement Tuesday. "Gene Locke has fought against bigotry his entire life and knows that there is no place for it in this campaign and this city."

107 jaunte  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:31:54pm

re: #90 Gus 802

(From your link) This was entertaining:

A Letter from Pastor Rick Scarborough

Steven F. Hotze, MD
December 7, 2009

Friends, I recommend to you this excellent letter from Pastor Rick Scarborough regarding the importance of these City of Houston runoff elections. - Steven F. Hotze, M.D.

Houston is facing the most critical city elections in its history. As a minister of the Gospel and a concerned former citizen of Houston, whose children and grandchildren live there, I am writing this letter to warn you of the devastating consequences which may occur if you overlook the threat which the December 12th runoff elections pose for the city of Houston. You will have two choices when you vote.

The Houston Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgendered (GLBT) Political Caucus has fielded a slate of endorsed candidates in the City of Houston Runoff Elections. They are searching the city for votes for their candidates and if successful, Houston will become increasingly like the city of San Francisco.[Link: www.conservativerepublicansoftexas.com...]


I, for one, will welcome the addition of hills and cool summers.

108 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:31:55pm

re: #95 Kilroy

What's the Islamic view on AGW. I see most of the oil being sucked out of the ground by religious states and Norway; yet no discussion about capping wells or their carbon footprint. Maybe CO2 should be stopped at the source?

Of course they're talking about that. The saudis want us to subsidize them.

109 Blueheron  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:32:05pm

re: #85 brookly red

/ but in ammounts to small to do any good.


I dun' know. Estrogen is showing up ... You are right it won't hurt me but explains a lot about the guys. /

110 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:32:18pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

Serendipity: I'm responsible for nineteen of the twenty top-grossing films of all time.

Bethany: Nineteen?

Serendipity: Yeah, the one about the kid, by himself in his house, burglars trying to get in and he fights them off? I had nothing to do with that one. Somebody sold their soul to Satan to get the grosses up on that piece of shit.

Upding for the Dogma quote.

111 transient  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:32:45pm

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

"You know, we hear so much about the banality of evil, but so little about the stupidity of evil."--Jon Stewart


So true. Especially when they confess the details of their evil plans to the hero just before tying him up and setting a time-delay device to kill him, then leaving the room so the hero can escape!

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:32:52pm

Bahari talking about his interrogator: "He thought that New Jersey is a place where people drink all the time, they have sex all the time, and there are no Jews."

113 JamesWI  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:33:05pm

Why do anything then? Why research cures for cancer, aids, MS, juvenile diabetes, etc.? Clearly, if anyone has a disease like that, it was all part of God's plan, and who are we to think we can have any impact on God's work. Why stop people like Hitler, Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein? After all, they are just a part of "a wise God’s creation," so clearly they were meant to kill millions of people.

Absolutely ridiculous

114 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:33:12pm

re: #106 Bagua

He was defeated by a majority of the voters. No one cared. And her main opponent did not "make it" an issue, some activist groups did that. Gene Locke is a good man.


He accepted the endorsements from the groups and individuals sending out the anti-gay mailers. His campaign manager donated to one of those groups.

115 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:33:24pm

re: #107 jaunte

(From your link) This was entertaining:

I, for one, will welcome the addition of hills and cool summers.

These guys make it so easy. What a bunch of boneheads.

116 Bagua  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:33:48pm

re: #102 Obdicut

{Gaze}

117 Basho  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:34:12pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

Bahari talking about his interrogator: "He thought that New Jersey is a place where people drink all the time, they have sex all the time, and there are no Jews."

Must've seen Jersey Shore on TV..

118 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:34:39pm

re: #109 Blueheron

I dun' know. Estrogen is showing up ... You are right it won't hurt me but explains a lot about the guys. /

I'll have you know that me and my new breasts are doing just fine, thank you!
/

119 jaunte  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:34:45pm

re: #115 Gus 802

Scarborough is a dominionist.

Rick Scarborough is a former Southern Baptist pastor from Pearland, Texas, who heads Vision America, Vision America Action and the Judeo-Christian Council for Constitutional Restoration.


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

120 transient  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:34:59pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

Bahari talking about his interrogator: "He thought that New Jersey is a place where people drink all the time, they have sex all the time, and there are no Jews."


Two out of three ain't bad, right?

121 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:35:34pm

re: #114 Obdicut

He accepted the endorsements from the groups and individuals sending out the anti-gay mailers. His campaign manager donated to one of those groups.

Locke was in a really awkward place. He is a good man and he NEVER made Annise's sexuality an issue, quite the contrary when asked. Accepting endorsements is kinda tricky. He could have made a stronger issue out of it, but then, he was trying to win a fair election too.

122 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:36:50pm

re: #111 transient

So true. Especially when they confess the details of their evil plans to the hero just before tying him up and setting a time-delay device to kill him, then leaving the room so the hero can escape!

This list has greatly helped me, thus far.
/scroll down past the comic

123 Bagua  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:37:19pm

re: #114 Obdicut

He accepted the endorsements from the groups and individuals sending out the anti-gay mailers. His campaign manager donated to one of those groups.

Yes, and nobody cared, the voters elected her anyway and his supporters were made to look like the bigots they were. They made a huge mistake thinking Houston voters were going to also be bigoted, in majority that is. It backfired on them if anything.

124 pyrodoctor  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:37:45pm

It is ignorance of idiots like that guy that make the AGW argument so out of control. Just because I'm suspicious of AGW doesn't mean I agree with morons like Barton. I can see why the AGW proponents cast aspersions on the deniers if Barton is the stereotypical denier. But then when you have liars like Al Gore on the AGW proponent side, you can see why my bullshit detectors go off about both sides of the whole argument.

125 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:38:31pm

re: #121 allegro

You can't accept the endorsements of anti-gay bigots and remain a good man, in my eyes. You accept bigotry in order to win.

His campaign manager donated to one of the anti-gay smear groups; that's not kosher.

It's one of my main complaints about most Democrats, too: cowards or hypocrites on gay rights, so often, out of political expediency. It's only politically expedient because everyone is being politically expedient.

re: #116 Bagua

Given that you first tried to blame the media, I don't think you have much of a leg to stand on here.

126 Blueheron  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:39:24pm

re: #97 marjoriemoon

Maimonedes, the Rambam, was one of our greatest scholars. He was also a physician, a man of science. He always said that if science contradicts the Torah, than it is the Torah we do not understand and need to go back to see what we missed.

Maimonedes was a brilliant man.

127 Bagua  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:39:34pm

re: #125 Obdicut

{gaze}

128 Stuart Leviton  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:39:39pm

CHARLIE: WHERE THE FUCK AM I? I'M IN PURGATORY!
WESLEY: Worse... you're in Texas.

- from movie:"Nurse Betty" with Renee' Zellweger, Morgan Freeman

129 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:39:57pm

re: #124 pyrodoctor

The scientific evidence doesn't change because of one's political party affiliation. Look at the science for what it is, and don't confuse the evidence with politics.

130 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:40:11pm

re: #122 Varek Raith

All bumbling conjurers, clumsy squires, no-talent bards, and cowardly thieves in the land will be preemptively put to death. My foes will surely give up and abandon their quest if they have no source of comic relief.

Heh.

131 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:40:31pm

re: #124 pyrodoctor

It is ignorance of idiots like that guy that make the AGW argument so out of control. Just because I'm suspicious of AGW doesn't mean I agree with morons like Barton. I can see why the AGW proponents cast aspersions on the deniers if Barton is the stereotypical denier. But then when you have liars like Al Gore on the AGW proponent side, you can see why my bullshit detectors go off about both sides of the whole argument.

Al Gore is a red-herring in the AGW debate. Invoking his name does not change the science behind it.

132 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:40:37pm

Rep. Joe L. Barton (R-Texas) on homosexuality with a little bit of "science" tossed in:

Barton opposes same-sex marriage and allowing gays to serve openly in the military, and he has drawn criticism in the past for comments about homosexuality, which he has called “abnormal” and “immoral.” “If homosexuality was normal we wouldn't any of us be here,” he was quoted as saying during his 1993 Senate run. “You have to have heterosexual behavior in order to recreate the species.” Gillman, Todd J., “Barton’s Energy Success A Love-Hate Story,” Dallas Morning News, Aug. 1, 2005.

[Link: www.whorunsgov.com...]

Yep, another one.

133 Blueheron  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:40:54pm

re: #108 Sharmuta

Of course they're talking about that. The saudis want us to subsidize them.

Hah . Snowballs in hell we will.

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:42:41pm

re: #132 Gus 802

Rep. Joe L. Barton (R-Texas) on homosexuality with a little bit of "science" tossed in:


[Link: www.whorunsgov.com...]

Yep, another one.

By this logic, we should also be against nuns, birth control, and the Silver Ring Thing.

However, I have faith that heterosexual sex is sufficiently fun and interesting to enough of my fellow humans that we will somehow manage to perpetuate the species, despite all these evil plots against us.

135 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:43:35pm

re: #132 Gus 802

Rep. Joe L. Barton (R-Texas) on homosexuality with a little bit of "science" tossed in:

[Link: www.whorunsgov.com...]

Yep, another one.

Sorry but the bolded part of your statement is absolutely true. That doesn't mean that same sex couples shouldn't be able to adopt, but heterosexual behavior even if it is invitro or in a test tube must be the start.

136 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:44:10pm

Barton really is a full service shill, since he is in bed with Big Coal as well. He is a big promoter of their lunatic notion of their lunatic clean coal fantasy, with happy little birds playing on the empty stacks while megatons of CO2 are somehow compressed at a reasonable cost and hidden away out of sight.
This does nothing, btw, about the thousands of tons of uranium and thorium that are concentrated in coal ash every year and that would in fact produce more energy than burning the coal did in the first place.

137 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:44:40pm
If I learn the whereabouts of the one artifact which can destroy me, I will not send all my troops out to seize it. Instead I will send them out to seize something else and quietly put a Want-Ad in the local paper.
138 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:45:03pm

re: #135 soxfan4life

Sorry but the bolded part of your statement is absolutely true. That doesn't mean that same sex couples shouldn't be able to adopt, but heterosexual behavior even if it is invitro or in a test tube must be the start.

It's an absurd comment from Barton because homosexuality is not in competition with heterosexuality nor is it a threat or an evolutionary certainty.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:45:13pm

re: #135 soxfan4life

Sorry but the bolded part of your statement is absolutely true. That doesn't mean that same sex couples shouldn't be able to adopt, but heterosexual behavior even if it is invitro or in a test tube must be the start.

Does donating eggs or sperm to be introduced to one another in a test tube really count as 'heterosexual' behavior?

140 Bagua  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:45:53pm

re: #121 allegro

Locke was in a really awkward place. He is a good man and he NEVER made Annise's sexuality an issue, quite the contrary when asked. Accepting endorsements is kinda tricky. He could have made a stronger issue out of it, but then, he was trying to win a fair election too.

That's correct, and Gene is a lifelong campaigner for civil rights, he's hardly a bigot himself.

The Media and some bigoted opponents to the Mayor elect tried to hijack the campaign and make this issue of her sexuality the deciding factor. The majority voters in Houston did not see it that way and voted for the most qualified candidate.

141 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:46:05pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

I fact, since a gay man could donate the sperm, and a gay woman the egg-- and you could get a gay lab tech to do the pipette work, if you really want to you could creating the gayest zygote ever.

142 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:46:20pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

Sperm meeting egg(man meeting woman) was what I meant.

143 jaunte  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:46:26pm

Having fun is a survival trait.

144 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:46:38pm

re: #137 Slumbering Behemoth

See, if only Bond villains had followed that list...Bond would be no more!
/and just about every Hollywood hero/heroine

145 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:46:43pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

Does donating eggs or sperm to be introduced to one another in a test tube really count as 'heterosexual' behavior?

It's not sexual at all. It's 'clinical.'

146 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:46:52pm

re: #140 Bagua


The Media and some bigoted opponents to the Mayor elect /blockquote>

Like his campaign manager.

147 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:46:55pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

Barton really is a full service shill, since he is in bed with Big Coal as well. He is a big promoter of their lunatic notion of their lunatic clean coal fantasy,,,


PIMF again

148 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:47:06pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

Does donating eggs or sperm to be introduced to one another in a test tube really count as 'heterosexual' behavior?

ummm, define donation...

149 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:47:09pm

A personal story. I just had a two day long argument on a social networking site about AGW. It all got started when a friend linked to the AP story that they found no "falsifying" of data in "climategate."

They went on and on with the usual cut-and-paste talking points they got from their favorite pundit/conservative advocacy group, and I responded with statements and links that were more, well, scientific and fact-based.

After they ran out of the usual crap we hear all over they place, they just started calling me names like "alarmist" and "paranoid delusional" and "kool-aid drinker" and, my favorite, "dumbass radical liberal." I'm a right-leaning moderate (except on social issues, where I lean left.) But because I'm pro-science, it suddenly makes me a radical liberal.

After this argument, I know why Charles is often frustrated. They use a blizzard of misinformation that is hard to defend against because there is just SO much crap, one guy can't do it all by himself.

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:47:10pm

re: #142 soxfan4life

Sperm meeting egg(man meeting woman) was what I meant.

Well, OK, yes. Both kinds of reproductive cells are needed.

151 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:47:12pm

re: #144 Varek Raith

See, if only Bond villains had followed that list...Bond would be no more!
/and just about every Hollywood hero/heroine

Monologuing always gets them.

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:47:50pm

re: #148 brookly red

ummm, define donation...

Well, since they meet in the test tube, I assume 'donation' in a clinical sense.

153 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:48:01pm

Gah. Apologies for a string of typos and messed-up HTML.

154 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:48:35pm

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, OK, yes. Both kinds of reproductive cells are needed.

Yeah, but ya gay man can donate sperm to impregnate a lesbian without the two of them ever even meeting each other.

155 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:49:10pm

Homosexuality has been around for how long and there are how many humans on the planet? Somehow, I don't think homosexuals are quite the pressing problem they're made out to be.

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:49:25pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

I am going out late to watch the meteors fly across the sky... if I can stay up... if it's clear... if it's not too cold... if I don't decide to get lazy... I am probably not going out late to watch the meteors fly across the sky.

157 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:49:50pm

re: #154 Alouette

Yeah, but ya gay man can donate sperm to impregnate a lesbian without the two of them ever even meeting each other.

True enough.

158 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:49:59pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

Barton really is a full service shill, since he is in bed with Big Coal as well. He is a big promoter of their lunatic notion of their lunatic clean coal fantasy, with happy little birds playing on the empty stacks while megatons of CO2 are somehow compressed at a reasonable cost and hidden away out of sight.
This does nothing, btw, about the thousands of tons of uranium and thorium that are concentrated in coal ash every year and that would in fact produce more energy than burning the coal did in the first place.

Apparently he isn't the only one, the House and Senate with their majorities can't seem to send "suitable" legislation" to the President to sign into law.

159 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:50:10pm

re: #151 Sharmuta

I will not gloat over my enemies' predicament before killing them.

160 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:50:20pm

re: #149 Soap_Man

I'm a right-leaning moderate (except on social issues, where I lean left.)

So what are your "right" (conservative) stances? From your description, you sound middle to left
Not snarking, just asking

161 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:50:51pm

re: #155 Sharmuta

Homosexuality has been around for how long and there are how many humans on the planet? Somehow, I don't think homosexuals are quite the pressing problem they're made out to be.

It's a problem if you're askerd of gettin teh ghey...

162 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:51:11pm

Climate deniers on Twitter are sending around this video -- and they actually believe Monckton comes off well.

163 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:51:12pm

I read somewhere about a lesbian asking her brother to donate sperm for her partner to get pregnant so that her partner's artificially inseminated child would carry her DNA. It just creeped the hell out of me but I don't think that it violates any scriptural laws.

164 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:51:27pm

re: #135 soxfan4life

Sorry but the bolded part of your statement is absolutely true. That doesn't mean that same sex couples shouldn't be able to adopt, but heterosexual behavior even if it is invitro or in a test tube must be the start.

Clone.

165 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:51:29pm

re: #155 Sharmuta

Homosexuality has been around for how long and there are how many humans on the planet? Somehow, I don't think homosexuals are quite the pressing problem they're made out to be.

Heterosexuality is not a force to be underestimated.

166 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:51:30pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, since they meet in the test tube, I assume 'donation' in a clinical sense.

Matbe I'll open up a singles bar and call it The Test Tube!

167 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:51:30pm

re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth

I will not gloat over my enemies' predicament before killing them.

7. When I've captured my adversary and he says, "Look, before you kill me, will you at least tell me what this is all about?" I'll say, "No." and shoot him. No, on second thought I'll shoot him then say "No."

168 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:51:52pm

re: #161 BigPapa

It's a problem if you're askerd of gettin teh ghey...

Or if your name is Stacy...

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:52:10pm

re: #161 BigPapa

It's a problem if you're askerd of gettin teh ghey...

It does not appear to be communicable.

170 jaunte  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:52:42pm

re: #155 Sharmuta

Homosexuality has been around for how long and there are how many humans on the planet? Somehow, I don't think homosexuals are quite the pressing problem they're made out to be.


They do make a handy political scapegoat/rallying point. More of Rick Scarborough efforts: Some topics from the 2006 "War on Christians" Conference:
- Christian Persecution: Reports From The Frontlines
- The Gay Agenda: America Won’t Be Happy
- The ACLU And Radical Secularism: Driving God From Our Public Life.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:52:46pm

re: #163 Alouette

I read somewhere about a lesbian asking her brother to donate sperm for her partner to get pregnant so that her partner's artificially inseminated child would carry her DNA. It just creeped the hell out of me but I don't think that it violates any scriptural laws.

None that I can think of off the top of my head, at any rate.

I know a couple who did that.

172 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:53:01pm

re: #163 Alouette

Either DNA matters, or it doesn't.

173 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:53:36pm

re: #162 Charles

Monkton always reminds me of this:

Upper-Class Twit of the Year.

174 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:53:43pm

re: #153 Obdicut

Gah. Apologies for a string of typos and messed-up HTML.

I read Borges "Lottery" on your rec. Pretty much agree on the pre-eminence of chance.

175 JamesWI  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:54:30pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

It does not appear to be communicable.

Apparently it can be taught though, with books about fisting and the like . . .

/

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:55:10pm

re: #175 JamesWI

Apparently it can be taught though, with books about fisting and the like . . .

/

Straight couples can also fist. As they can teabag.

177 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:55:20pm

re: #174 Decatur Deb

Cool. All of his stuff is great, but that story is just so epic.

178 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:55:57pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

Straight couples can also fist. As they can teabag.

Would someone think of the children!11!!1
/:)

179 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:55:57pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

Straight couples can also fist. As they can teabag.

Get out of town!

180 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:55:59pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

It does not appear to be communicable.

Though it appears to often be super fashionable!

181 Interesting Times  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:56:33pm

Speaking of anti-science fundamentalists, here's an Onion-worthy piece I just stumbled across:

Michele Bachmann, quantum physicist

Excerpt:

When a piece of bread dropped by a swallow can stop the universe from being destroyed, the radical so-called “nuclear physicists” who tell us that nothing really exists appear to have hit a tipping point. The revelation that the Large Hadron Collider was shut down last month allows the American public to finally understand the concerns so many of us have articulated on this issue.

182 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:56:38pm

re: #170 jaunte

Here is a handy pie chart illustrating The Gay Agenda.

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:57:16pm

re: #182 Slumbering Behemoth

Here is a handy pie chart illustrating The Gay Agenda.

Yeah, that about covers it.

184 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:57:24pm

re: #160 sattv4u2

I'm a right-leaning moderate (except on social issues, where I lean left.)

So what are your "right" (conservative) stances? From your description, you sound middle to left
Not snarking, just asking

Well, I'm a big state's rights, small government, lower business taxes kind of guy. I believe that the federal government often ignores/steps on the states' authority. I'm pro-gun. I do believe in business regulation, so long as it is not excessively restrictive. While the government has it's place, the smaller it is, the better.

I am more liberal on social issues like gay marriage, abortion and ending this rediculous drug war. And I'm pro-science. (I'm generalizing a lot, but that's the gist of it.)

185 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:58:46pm

re: #182 Slumbering Behemoth

Not that there's anything wrong with being more fabulous.

186 Blueheron  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:58:58pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

Straight couples can also fist. As they can teabag.


No more please:((

187 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:59:06pm

re: #181 publicityStunted

That's got to be satire, right?

188 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:59:07pm

re: #184 Soap_Man

Thanks. We're pretty simpatico on most things then

189 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:59:15pm

re: #181 publicityStunted

It depresses me a little to think that people actually voted for this horribly ignorant woman.

190 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:00:09pm

re: #189 Slumbering Behemoth

It depresses me a little to think that people actually voted for this horribly ignorant woman.

Two words

Al Franken

191 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:00:22pm

re: #181 publicityStunted

We must recognize that subatomic physics is still an unreliable and, frankly, somewhat creepy field not in keeping with our American traditions. Scientists are using money taken from the hard work of taxpayers for research into very tiny particles including quarks, muons and gluinos. Those names may be some kind of European-derived code for organizing a fifth column,


Heh

192 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:00:25pm

re: #189 Slumbering Behemoth

It depresses me a little to think that people actually voted for this horribly ignorant woman.

Makes you wonder who the competition was.

193 Stuart Leviton  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:00:34pm

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

Now you're going to make me cry. ;_;

Critical thinking seems to be rare these days.


"Think For Yourself - Beatles Forever

I've got a word or two
To say about the things that you do
You're telling all those lies
About the good things that we can have
If we close our eyes
194 transient  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:00:54pm

re: #122 Varek Raith

This list has greatly helped me, thus far.
/scroll down past the comic


ROFLMAO.

I will dress in bright and cheery colors, and so throw my enemies into confusion.

195 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:01:01pm

re: #190 sattv4u2

What has Franken done that's comparable?

196 HoosierHoops  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:01:45pm

Just got home from the Colts party! We are undefeated!
And the food was fabulous!
//Keeping with the thread

197 JamesWI  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:02:40pm

re: #189 Slumbering Behemoth

It depresses me a little to think that people actually voted for this horribly ignorant woman.

I live in MN (but not in her district), and I truly believe the only reason she won this last election is because her Democratic opponent was named Elwyn Tinklenberg. Seriously. The margin of victory was about 3%, and I think the name accounts for at least that much.

198 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:03:01pm

re: #195 Obdicut

What has Franken done that's comparable?

Graduated from a college that was founded as a religious school.

199 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:03:02pm

re: #195 Obdicut

What has Franken done that's comparable?

"comparable"? nah

Worse,, yup

Lying is worse than being ignorant or uninformed about something, imho

WHY? , because when you lie you KNOW what the truth is yet go against it anyway. When your ignorant or misinformed about soemthing, at least you beleive what you're saying to be true

[Link: www.google.com...]

200 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:03:11pm

re: #196 HoosierHoops

Just got home from the Colts party! We are undefeated!
And the food was fabulous!
//Keeping with the thread

Am really looking forward to seeing y'all playing the Saints/Vikings winner in the Superbowl. Should be something if NO makes it and you both are undefeated.

201 Soap_Man  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:04:41pm

re: #197 JamesWI

I live in MN (but not in her district), and I truly believe the only reason she won this last election is because her Democratic opponent was named Elwyn Tinklenberg. Seriously. The margin of victory was about 3%, and I think the name accounts for at least that much.

Hahaha!

202 I AM BREITBART!  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:04:42pm

re: #199 sattv4u2

"comparable"? nah

Worse,, yup

Lying is worse than being ignorant or uninformed about something, imho

WHY? , because when you lie you KNOW what the truth is yet go against it anyway. When your ignorant or misinformed about soemthing, at least you beleive what you're saying to be true

[Link: www.google.com...]

You are going to have to do better than some google link to Al Franken lies. What are YOUR problems with him specifically? Or is it just a general Al Franken hatred?

203 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:04:46pm

re: #200 soxfan4life

Am really looking forward to seeing y'all playing the Saints/Vikings winner in the Superbowl. Should be something if NO makes it and you both are undefeated.

I just made a $100 dollar bet the neither the Colts nor Saints are in the Super Bowl.

At 15-1 odds, what the hell!

204 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:05:03pm

re: #190 sattv4u2

Is that supposed to make me feel better? It doesn't. No fan of Franken am I, but he does not come close to the stratosphere of stupid that Bachmann occupies.

205 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:05:21pm

re: #199 sattv4u2

I'm sorry, but a google search isn't going to do it for me. A google search would provide plenty of websites denying global warming, too.

The only thing I know about Franken that's bad is that he had some tax problems.

Can you point to a lie of his that you think is worse than Bachmann's behavior?

206 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:05:26pm

re: #203 sattv4u2

I just made a $100 dollar bet the neither the Colts nor Saints are in the Super Bowl.

At 15-1 odds, what the hell!

I would have too.

207 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:06:02pm

re: #204 Slumbering Behemoth

Is that supposed to make me feel better? It doesn't. No fan of Franken am I, but he does not come close to the stratosphere of stupid that Bachmann occupies.

Stratosphere? No, she's past the Kuiper Belt by now...

208 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:06:15pm

re: #205 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but a google search isn't going to do it for me. A google search would provide plenty of websites denying global warming, too.

The only thing I know about Franken that's bad is that he had some tax problems.

Can you point to a lie of his that you think is worse than Bachmann's behavior?

Tax problems seem to be resume enhancer for most on Capital Hill

209 HoosierHoops  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:06:18pm

re: #200 soxfan4life

Am really looking forward to seeing y'all playing the Saints/Vikings winner in the Superbowl. Should be something if NO makes it and you both are undefeated.

I color my hair blue during the play-offs...It's how I roll...
*wink*

210 recusancy  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:06:44pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Graduated from a college that was founded as a religious school.

Harvard?

211 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:06:49pm

re: #202 Locker

You are going to have to do better than some google link to Al Franken lies. What are YOUR problems with him specifically? Or is it just a general Al Franken hatred?

Hatred? I don't know the man, so I have no "hate" for him. I have no idea how someone can "hate" someone they don't know, so I don;t know why you would throw that word at me.
I beleive him to be a bufoon at best

212 Stuart Leviton  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:07:15pm

re: #71 transient

So...God is causing climate instability as punishment for our sins?
/


Just to comment on the theology from a Jewish perspective - this has nothing to do with the Congressman or AGW.

The Jewish concept is that if one does good deeds God rewards with the blessings of prosperity. But if good deeds are not performed, then the blessing is removed. Man is given free choice as to whether he/she chooses to do good or evil.

The Buddhists have a similar concept of building up merit so as to invoke blessing.
(now back to our regularly featured show - thanks all)

213 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:07:35pm

re: #209 HoosierHoops

I color my hair blue during the play-offs...It's how I roll...
*wink*

If I had hair I would die it Red, White and Blue for my beloved Pats. If I tried it now someone might mistake my head for an old ABA basketball.

214 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:07:52pm

re: #199 sattv4u2

"comparable"? nah

Worse,, yup

Lying is worse than being ignorant or uninformed about something, imho

WHY? , because when you lie you KNOW what the truth is yet go against it anyway. When your ignorant or misinformed about soemthing, at least you beleive what you're saying to be true

[Link: www.google.com...]

I used to be really bitter about Mrs. Obama's comment about not being proud of this country. And then came Al Franklin... & I am starting to understand.

215 I AM BREITBART!  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:08:15pm

re: #211 sattv4u2

Hatred? I don't know the man, so I have no "hate" for him. I have no idea how someone can "hate" someone they don't know, so I don;t know why you would throw that word at me.
I beleive him to be a bufoon at best

So you completely dodge the issue. WHY do you think he's a bufoon? WHY don't you like him? If you can't at least elaborate how does that make you more than an uninformed hater? You can debate the specific nuance of the word hate with someone else. What's you problem? Spit it out.

216 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:10:01pm

re: #210 recusancy

Harvard?

Cum Laude, Poli Sci. 1973

217 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:10:20pm

I was looking up homosexuality in animals when I found Conservapedia's article:

Creation Ministries International wrote on this subject of whether or not there is homosexuality in the animal kingdom: "There is...documented proof of cannibalism and rape in the animal kingdom, but that doesn’t make it right for humans." While some animals (like the lion) eat their young, neither supporters or opponents of "gay rights" have used this as an argument in favor of infanticide or cannibalism. Thus, a healthy dose of wariness needs to be employed in making scientific claims about homosexual animals justifying homosexual humans.

So now homosexual sex is like infanticide or cannibalism?

For example, every cattle farmer is familiar with the phenomenon of "bulling", cows mounting other cows; in fact, this is one of the standard signs farmers look for when determining that a cow is coming into estrus. However, it does not follow that the cows involved are showing anything analogous to human lesbian orientation. There are also lesbian lizards.

That last part cracked me up.

218 HoosierHoops  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:10:51pm

re: #212 Stuart Leviton

Just to comment on the theology from a Jewish perspective - this has nothing to do with the Congressman or AGW.

The Jewish concept is that if one does good deeds God rewards with the blessings of prosperity. But if good deeds are not performed, then the blessing is removed. Man is given free choice as to whether he/she chooses to do good or evil.

The Buddhists have a similar concept of building up merit so as to invoke blessing.
(now back to our regularly featured show - thanks all)

Have you even read the book of Job? God often removes the Blessing of Prosperity to build Character...He doesn't care if you are driving a BMW..
Only the preacher on TV cares my friend...

219 I AM BREITBART!  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:11:10pm

re: #217 Sharmuta

Ok I had to up ding for the "lesbian lizards" thing. That was forking hilarious.

220 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:11:55pm

re: #217 Sharmuta

I was looking up homosexuality in animals when I found Conservapedia's article:

That last part cracked me up.

Conservapedia - Good for a LOLWTF.
:)

221 Jaerik  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:13:05pm

re: #207 Varek Raith

Stratosphere? No, she's past the Kuiper Belt by now...

The Kuiper Belt is just a liberal Big Science conspiracy. Everyone knows that only God can rain extraterrestrial flaming death down on all our heads. (Genesis 19:24-25)

Their fancy "telescopes" to track so-called "proto-comets" are just a monetary ploy to increase the size of government and remove the fear of God from our daily lives.

222 recusancy  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:14:25pm

re: #216 Decatur Deb

Cum Laude, Poli Sci. 1973

I knew that about him. I just didn't know Harvard was founded as a religious school and why that made him comparable to Bachmann... unless you were making a funny :)

223 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:14:33pm

re: #221 Jaerik

Their fancy "telescopes" to track so-called "proto-comets" are just a monetary ploy to increase the size of government and remove the fear of God from our daily lives.

And our penises. They're always looking for new ways to steal our penises.

224 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:15:29pm

re: #215 Locker

So you completely dodge the issue. WHY do you think he's a bufoon? WHY don't you like him? If you can't at least elaborate how does that make you more than an uninformed hater? You can debate the specific nuance of the word hate with someone else. What's you problem? Spit it out.

How does someone aspiring to be a senator not know that if you make money in state "A" that you have to pay taxes in said state. Not once, not twice or three times. Something like 17 DIFFERENT states
How does someone write a book about other peoples "LIES" that are resplendent WITH lies about said people
AND ,,, Spit it out,, I'm not your trained monkey. Can;t you, Ludwig and a few others have a conversation of opposing views without the vitriol?

225 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:15:54pm

re: #223 Slumbering Behemoth

And our penises. They're always looking for new ways to steal our penises.

groin larceny is no laughing matter...

226 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:16:09pm

re: #223 Slumbering Behemoth

And our penises. They're always looking for new ways to steal our penises.

From my cold dead hand... wait, what...
/

227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:16:15pm

re: #203 sattv4u2

Yeah. I'd make that be too.

228 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:16:17pm

Do we have any regular expression experts reading this thread?

I've got a regex almost working, but not quite, and these little babies are fiendishly difficult to debug.

Here's the deal: for quite some time I've been using a regular expression to prevent long "runs" of characters in comments, so we don't have comments that have, say 50 exclamation points that end up breaking the page and causing it to expand. Even if they don't break the page, multiple runs of characters are pretty annoying visually.

Here's the PHP regex that does this:

$s = preg_replace('/( ?\D)\1{3,}/', '$1$1$1', $s);

This searches for multiple consecutive characters in a string, and if there are more than 3, it replaces them with only 3 of the repeating characters.

It works well -- but, there's a problem. It acts globally on the text -- which means that if you have an HTML link that contains a URL with repeating characters, the URL is broken when the multiple consecutive characters are replaced by only 3, and the link, she's a no work.

So what I need to do is have the regex ignore any repeating characters that are inside an HTML tag. This is where I'm getting stuck.

So far, I have this, which almost works. But "almost" doesn't cut it:

$s = preg_replace('/(?!(?:[^<]+>))( ?\D)\1{3,}/', '$1$1$1', $s);

This is using "negative look-ahead" to see if the character run is inside angled brackets, and ignores it if so. But it only works in some cases, not all. Can anyone suggest a better way to code this?

(If you post a comment with a suggested regex, replace the angled brackets with &lt; and &gt; -- otherwise they'll be stripped out. Also, use double backslashes where you want a single backslash to appear.)

229 Cato the Elder  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:16:58pm

In Catholic theology, of which I am something of a devotee, there is a category (I've talked about it here before) called ignorantia invincibilis. Invincible ignorance.

Barton is so ignorant he probably credits God with his personal stupidity as well.

Aquinas laughs.

230 I AM BREITBART!  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:17:25pm

re: #224 sattv4u2

How does someone aspiring to be a senator not know that if you make money in state "A" that you have to pay taxes in said state. Not once, not twice or three times. Something like 17 DIFFERENT states
How does someone write a book about other peoples "LIES" that are resplendent WITH lies about said people
AND ,,, Spit it out,, I'm not your trained monkey. Can;t you, Ludwig and a few others have a conversation of opposing views without the vitriol?

Ok so you just called the man a liar and a bufoon in your recent posts with NO evidence, NO links, and no real reason other than repeating the word lies over and over again. Then you accuse others of "vitriol".

If you are going to defame someone at least man up and back up your bullshit. If you realize that perhaps you were hasty and uniformed then back off and admit it rather than playing the victim and crying like a baby.

231 Bagua  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:17:58pm

re: #228 Charles

$s = preg_replace('/(?!(?:[^))( ?D)1{3,}/', '$1$1$1', $s);

Dear lord, Charles is typing some sort of martian language. The lizard story really is true.

232 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:18:18pm

re: #228 Charles

Holy crap. That's how this stuff works?

233 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:18:19pm

re: #228 Charles

Since I have no idea what you just asked, I'm going to admit... not an expert.

234 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:18:28pm

re: #224 sattv4u2

IQ is not a predictor of actions. One can be both intelligent, and a tax cheat.

235 soxfan4life  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:19:49pm

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

IQ is not a predictor of actions. One can be both intelligent, and a tax cheat.

But it takes a true politician to lie to us about their supposed ignorance of tax problems while asking us to give them our vote.

236 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:20:26pm

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

IQ is not a predictor of actions. One can be both intelligent, and a tax cheat.

and if your really, really smart placed in high office.

237 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:20:31pm

re: #228 Charles

Do we have any regular expression experts reading this thread?

Not I. However, if you ever find yourself in need of someone good at irregular expressions, give me a holler.

"Fuck conformity! Walk weird."

238 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:20:33pm

The Notorious Lesbian Lizard of Cochise County

On a parched, wind-swept lakebed in southeastern Arizona, within earshot of the trucks hurtling by on Interstate 10, a strange experiment of nature is playing itself out — an experiment that might shock moral conservatives but should delight lesbian separatists everywhere. Two species of whiptail lizards have interbred, producing a new, all-female species. These animals have sex with each other and produce baby lizards without any help from males. And the babies grow up to be lesbian too.

239 recusancy  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:20:41pm

re: #228 Charles

I'm an asp/vbscript programmer, not php, but can't you do the look ahead for the brackets in something like an if/then statement (or whatever the equiv would be for php) and then do the reg expression on conditions?

240 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:21:26pm

re: #230 Locker

Ok so you just called the man a liar and a bufoon in your recent posts with NO evidence, NO links, and no real reason other than repeating the word lies over and over again. Then you accuse others of "vitriol".

If you are going to defame someone at least man up and back up your bullshit. If you realize that perhaps you were hasty and uniformed then back off and admit it rather than playing the victim and crying like a baby.

I linked to the "lies".
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

rather than playing the victim and crying like a baby.

SO ,, asking for civil discourse is "crying like a baby"?

CHARLES, sorry, but my next response to LOCKER most likely will have NON babylike verbiage!

241 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:21:53pm

re: #239 recusancy

That's what's there in what he posted, I do believe.

Why is it only working sometimes, Charles? That looks like it should work to me.

242 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:22:05pm

re: #238 Sharmuta

The Notorious Lesbian Lizard of Cochise County

Eeevilution, or God playing tricks on us?
/

243 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:22:18pm

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

IQ is not a predictor of actions. One can be both intelligent, and a tax cheat.

I called him a bufoon and a liar, not stupid/dumb/ignorant/ etc

244 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:22:28pm

re: #238 Sharmuta

I think one of them is just telling the other they're lesbian.

245 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:22:38pm

re: #242 Varek Raith

A test of faith
///

246 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:22:43pm

re: #239 recusancy

I'm an asp/vbscript programmer, not php, but can't you do the look ahead for the brackets in something like an if/then statement (or whatever the equiv would be for php) and then do the reg expression on conditions?

Maybe, but that would be more complex, and I'd rather do it with a single regex. I know it's possible, but I'm just missing something.

247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:23:25pm

re: #243 sattv4u2

I called him a bufoon and a liar, not stupid/dumb/ignorant/ etc

Buffoon is often a synonym for stupid.

248 Bagua  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:23:32pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

You do get it that the Houston election was in part a victory for those who believe sexual bigotry is not a valid campaign issue and should in no way disqualify the mayor elect?

Of course I say "part" victory and I should say pyrrhic victory as the vote was indeed quite likely decided by another sort of bigotry that is far more pervasive.

249 Jaerik  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:23:41pm

Charles:

Could you post some failure cases? Looks okay to me at first glance.

250 I AM BREITBART!  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:24:38pm

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

IQ is not a predictor of actions. One can be both intelligent, and a tax cheat.

Additionally I don't know too many folks who aren't also tax attorneys that actually cheat, which to me is doing it on purpose or deliberately defrauding. In most of the big cases I see with celebrities it wasn't deliberate by the celebrity and they simply pay the fine or make up for it. Those types I would normally call a mistake.

Even the article I found on google which sattv4u2 obviously stole his last babble states that it was his ATTORNEYS who caused the issue, not him. But hey, that wouldn't give any weight to his rant now would it?

Here's the actual quote:

Al Franken's accountant hasn't talked to reporters since Franken blamed him for giving him bad tax advice. But tax experts say the accountant should have known that Franken, who is seeking the DFL endorsement to run against GOP Sen. Norm Coleman, needed to pay taxes in the 19 different states where Franken earned money in the last four years.

publicradio.org...

The word mistake is also used constantly in the article while the words "lie" and "cheat" don't occur at all. Hmm how about that?

251 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:25:07pm

re: #247 Slumbering Behemoth

Buffoon is often a synonym for stupid.

Or not

–noun 1. a person who amuses others by tricks, jokes, odd gestures and postures, etc.
2. a person given to coarse or undignified joking.
[Link: dictionary.reference.com...]

252 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:26:22pm

re: #249 Jaerik

Charles:

Could you post some failure cases? Looks okay to me at first glance.

Well, it's a little hard to post failure cases, because they'll be shortened by the current code.

I'll see if I can use entities, hang on while I dig up the table...

253 I AM BREITBART!  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:26:25pm

re: #251 sattv4u2

Or not

–noun 1. a person who amuses others by tricks, jokes, odd gestures and postures, etc.
2. a person given to coarse or undignified joking.
[Link: dictionary.reference.com...]

Kind of like Ronald Regan in that monkey movie.

254 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:28:36pm

re: #253 Locker

Kind of like Ronald Regan in that monkey movie.

Actually, it was the monkey that made all the odd gestures, and reagan (in that movie) never uttered a coarse or undignified joke.

SO

no ,, it's nothing like that

255 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:28:45pm

re: #251 sattv4u2

Or not, or so.

1 : a ludicrous figure : clown
2 : a gross and usually ill-educated or stupid person
[Link: www.merriam-webster.com...]

I am not going to sit here and tell you what you meant when using that word, I am not a mind reader. I was simply making a point about intelligence not being an indicator of action.

256 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:29:51pm

re: #249 Jaerik

Charles:

Could you post some failure cases? Looks okay to me at first glance.

Try typing more than three question marks in a row after a sentence, like this???

(I typed 7 of them)

257 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:31:45pm

re: #255 Slumbering Behemoth

Or not, or so.

1 : a ludicrous figure : clown
2 : a gross and usually ill-educated or stupid person
[Link: www.merriam-webster.com...]

I am not going to sit here and tell you what you meant when using that word, I am not a mind reader. I was simply making a point about intelligence not being an indicator of action.

No ,,, but you implied it

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

258 I AM BREITBART!  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:31:55pm

Well I guess I can go make dinner now safe in the fact that I've defended
Al Franken's honor at being called more ignorant than Michele Bachmann. My work here is done.

259 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:32:46pm

re: #256 sattv4u2

Try typing more than three question marks in a row after a sentence, like this???

(I typed 7 of them)

Or posting a link with more than 3 of the same characters. Like so;

Test

See what happens?

260 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:34:07pm

re: #258 Locker

Well I guess I can go make dinner now safe in the fact that I've defended
Al Franken's honor at being called more ignorant than Michele Bachmann. My work here is done.

Try again, Sparky. I said Franken was a buffoon and a liar. I never stated he was "more ignorant"

261 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:34:41pm

re: #257 sattv4u2

No ,,, but you implied it

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Actually, I inferred it from your "buffoon" comment, and stated that:

"IQ is not a predictor of actions. One can be both intelligent, and a tax cheat."

262 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:35:28pm

re: #259 Varek Raith

I think I've forgotten almost everything I ever knew about regular expressions. I can't find a flaw in what Charles posted, unless the text string gets reformatted before that point.

263 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:36:40pm

Hate watching injuries on the NFL. Pansy-ass I am.

264 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:36:47pm

re: #189 Slumbering Behemoth

Try again, Sparky. I said Franken was a buffoon and a liar. I never stated he was "more ignorant"

Now, that is being entirely disingenuous.

It depresses me a little to think that people actually voted for this horribly ignorant woman.

Two words

Al Franken

265 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:36:53pm

re: #261 Slumbering Behemoth

Actually, I inferred it from your "buffoon" comment, and stated that:

"IQ is not a predictor of actions. One can be both intelligent, and a tax cheat."

No. I called him a BUFFOON, and you countered with Buffoon is often a synonym for stupid. I never stated he was stupid/dumb/ignorant/ etc

266 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:37:08pm

re: #262 Obdicut

I think I've forgotten almost everything I ever knew about regular expressions. I can't find a flaw in what Charles posted, unless the text string gets reformatted before that point.

I've only dabbled in this, so I'm not too sure, either.

267 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:38:05pm

re: #264 allegro

re: #189 Slumbering Behemoth

Yes, because people can vote for horrible candidates. In Bachmans case, and ignorant one. In Frankens case, one that is a liar and a buffoon

268 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:38:55pm

re: #261 Slumbering Behemoth

Actually, I inferred it from your "buffoon" comment, and stated that:

"IQ is not a predictor of actions. One can be both intelligent, and a tax cheat."

and a senator. or a chairman, or all kinda things. taxes are for little people.

269 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:40:26pm

I was never a fan of Franken's comedy, but I've been very impressed with his record thus far as a Senator.

270 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:41:11pm

re: #269 allegro

I was never a fan of Franken's comedy, but I've been very impressed with his record thus far as a Senator.

He's good enough, he's smart enough, and dog gone it- people like him.

271 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:41:30pm

re: #268 brookly red

and a senator. or a chairman, or all kinda things. taxes are for little people.

honestly if somebody is so stupid as to actually pay taxes do you really want them to run the country? Sheesh.

272 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:42:29pm

re: #270 Sharmuta

He's good enough, he's smart enough, and dog gone it- people like him.

It seems so. His stand on the rape issue for government contractors goes a long way with me.

273 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:43:07pm

re: #259 Varek Raith

Or posting a link with more than 3 of the same characters. Like so;

Test

See what happens?

Yes, that's the problem I'm trying to fix.

274 Stuart Leviton  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:43:08pm

re: #218 HoosierHoops

Have you even read the book of Job? God often removes the Blessing of Prosperity to build Character...He doesn't care if you are driving a BMW..
Only the preacher on TV cares my friend...


Hello HoosierHoops,

I reread Job last week. I had never understood before that Job goes through grief and heals on his own. At two points in the book, Job considers suicide but he finally concludes that the comfort of suicide is a delusion since he would, after all be dead. So Job finally concludes that he loves life too much to give up. Hence, he chooses life.

You may be familiar with Rebbetzin Esther Jungreis 2 min clip on life as a test

Curious if you have other takes on Job.

275 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:43:24pm

re: #271 brookly red

honestly if somebody is so stupid as to actually pay taxes do you really want them to run the country? Sheesh.

Same thing for people who fly commercial, go to public schools, or take public transportation. I mean really, can you imagine?

/

276 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:44:14pm

re: #269 allegro

I was never a fan of Franken's comedy, but I've been very impressed with his record thus far as a Senator.

He voted NO to have the Commander of the of the U.S. Central Command (General David Petraeus), the Commander of the U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Command, Europe (Admiral James G. Stavridis), the Commander of U.S. Forces in Afghanistan (General Stanley McChrystal), and the U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan (Karl Eikenberry) to provide Congressional testimony regarding recommendations for additional forces and resources needed in Afghanistan and Pakistan no later than November 15, 2009.

I fail to see why!

277 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:44:26pm

re: #264 allegro

That's not my comment, and sattv4u was not replying to me with that. Please be more careful in editing, so as not to confuse people.

re: #265 sattv4u2

No. I called him a BUFFOON, and you countered with Buffoon is often a synonym for stupid. I never stated he was stupid/dumb/ignorant/ etc

No. You called him a buffoon, I inferred you meant that as stupid and countered that IQ is not an indicator of action. You then said that you did not call him stupid/dumb/ignorant, and I said that buffoon is often a synonym for stupid by way of explanation for why I inferred such from your buffoon comment.

Are we clear?

278 JEA62  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:44:44pm

THIS is what passes for intelligence amonst our Congressional representatives. And to think these pople vote on our laws...

BTW, the liberals are no better.

279 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:44:54pm

re: #275 ArchangelMichael

Same thing for people who fly commercial, go to public schools, or take public transportation. I mean really, can you imagine?

/

or that pesant health care thing... my goodness.

280 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:45:49pm

re: #271 brookly red

honestly if somebody is so stupid as to actually pay taxes do you really want them to run the country? Sheesh.

Would a politician be better off with the Mensa vote or the "people with tax problems" electorate?

281 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:46:11pm

re: #277 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #264 allegro

That's not my comment, and sattv4u was not replying to me with that. Please be more careful in editing, so as not to confuse people.

My apologies.

282 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:46:56pm

re: #269 allegro

I was never a fan of Franken's comedy, but I've been very impressed with his record thus far as a Senator.

He also voted NAY on this

A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes.

[Link: www.senate.gov...]

Why?

283 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:47:08pm

re: #280 Decatur Deb

Would a politician be better off with the Mensa vote or the "people with tax problems" electorate?

look around you and ask me again.

284 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:47:46pm

re: #277 Slumbering Behemoth

I never stated he was stupid/dumb/ignorant/ etc


Are we?

285 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:48:28pm

re: #280 Decatur Deb

Would a politician be better off with the Mensa vote or the "people with tax problems" electorate?

I know someone in Mensa and all I can say is I hope she's never in charge of public policy anywhere.

286 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:49:45pm

re: #278 JEA62

THIS is what passes for intelligence amonst our Congressional representatives. And to think these pople vote on our laws...

BTW, the liberals are no better.

Why the qualifier, 'BTW, the liberals are no better'? I take no solace from pointing out the other side's crazies...

287 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:49:51pm

re: #283 brookly red

look around you and ask me again.

I'm here with the puppy. So far his taxes are OK.

288 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:50:20pm

re: #285 ArchangelMichael

I know someone in Mensa and all I can say is I hope she's never in charge of public policy anywhere.

A member of Mensa was just elected as a VERY competent Mayor of Houston. Just sayin'.

289 Racer X  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:50:35pm

re: #285 ArchangelMichael

I know someone in Mensa and all I can say is I hope she's never in charge of public policy anywhere.

There are Lizards who are extremely intelligent, yet lack some common sense.

290 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:51:23pm

re: #287 Decatur Deb

I'm here with the puppy. So far his taxes are OK.

til he farts & your in violation of cap & trade...

291 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:51:23pm

re: #272 allegro

It seems so. His stand on the rape issue for government contractors goes a long way with me.

I was just trying to make a joke.

292 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:51:28pm

re: #240 sattv4u2

I linked to the "lies".
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

rather than playing the victim and crying like a baby.

SO ,, asking for civil discourse is "crying like a baby"?

CHARLES, sorry, but my next response to LOCKER most likely will have NON babylike verbiage!

Al Franken pays back $70,000 in back taxes, penalties.

So he got caught and took his medicine like a big boy.

293 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:51:58pm

re: #289 Racer X

There are Lizards who are extremely intelligent, yet lack some common sense.

Sarah Palin really likes saying she has "common sense".

294 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:52:03pm

re: #289 Racer X

There are Lizards who are extremely intelligent, yet lack some common sense.

I have lots of common sense, so I must be ,,,
HEY ,, WAIT A GOSH DARN MINUTE!!!

295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:52:07pm

re: #284 sattv4u2

I never stated he was stupid/dumb/ignorant/ etc

Are we?

And I explained why I inferred that from your use of the word "buffoon", while not implying anything myself. Clearly.

296 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:52:42pm

re: #292 Alouette

Al Franken pays back $70,000 in back taxes, penalties.

So he got caught and took his medicine like a big boy.

I never said he didn't

297 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:52:54pm

re: #293 allegro

Sarah Palin really likes saying she has "common sense".

I knew there was something common about her.

298 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:53:34pm

re: #293 allegro

Sarah Palin really likes saying she has "common sense".

I don't believe that it's particular easy to self-diagnose that. Case in point.

299 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:54:02pm

re: #292 Alouette

Al Franken pays back $70,000 in back taxes, penalties.

So he got caught and took his medicine like a big boy.

you or I would be in jail.

300 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:54:07pm

re: #291 Sharmuta

I was just trying to make a joke.

When ya gotta splain it to someone ,,,just ,,, amazing!!

301 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:54:45pm

re: #274 Stuart Leviton

Hello HoosierHoops,

I reread Job last week. I had never understood before that Job goes through grief and heals on his own. At two points in the book, Job considers suicide but he finally concludes that the comfort of suicide is a delusion since he would, after all be dead. So Job finally concludes that he loves life too much to give up. Hence, he chooses life.

You may be familiar with Rebbetzin Esther Jungreis 2 min clip on life as a test

Curious if you have other takes on Job.

I read the book of Job when I got a small role in my high school production of Archibald MacLiesh's "J.B." I can't say that a was able to get through the whole thing.

302 Racer X  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:54:51pm

re: #292 Alouette

Al Franken pays back $70,000 in back taxes, penalties.

So he got caught and took his medicine like a big boy.

I see way too many government employees lately who hold up the "see, when you caught me I paid my taxes" sign, and pretend it is something to be proud of.

303 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:55:03pm

re: #295 Slumbering Behemoth

And I explained why I inferred that from your use of the word "buffoon", while not implying anything myself. Clearly.

You obviously have a need to get the last word in on this, so please reply to this and I will not reply to that one!

304 Learned Mother of Zion  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:55:44pm

re: #299 brookly red

you or I would be in jail.

I only wish I had $70,000 worth of taxable income.

305 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:56:14pm

re: #297 Decatur Deb

I knew there was something common about her.

Now that right there is funny,,,I don';t care who you are!!

((Larry The Cable Guy moment))

306 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:56:26pm

re: #299 brookly red

you or I would be in jail.

I'm sorry-- there's mandatory jail time for not paying taxes? I've slipped up on my taxes a few times, back when I was doing consulting, and they just are happy when you pay them. They really don't send you to jail.

307 HoosierHoops  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:56:51pm

re: #274 Stuart Leviton

Hello HoosierHoops,

I reread Job last week. I had never understood before that Job goes through grief and heals on his own. At two points in the book, Job considers suicide but he finally concludes that the comfort of suicide is a delusion since he would, after all be dead. So Job finally concludes that he loves life too much to give up. Hence, he chooses life.

You may be familiar with Rebbetzin Esther Jungreis 2 min clip on life as a test

Curious if you have other takes on Job.

Yes I do.
In Job. his Family, Wife and all his friends left him in His darkest hour..A true test of Faith...Great men arise from the darkest depth of despair...They are tested in fire..Not in glory on high..
When the Alabaster box is broken ( The human soul) Then the sweet fragrance of the Holy Spirit fills the room..Ever Great man in the Bible was first broken by God before he lived glory.

308 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:57:17pm

re: #302 Racer X

I see way too many government employees lately who hold up the "see, when you caught me I paid my taxes" sign, and pretend it is something to be proud of.

government employees? so they pay us back with our own money?

you or I would be in jail.

309 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:57:22pm

Well, that's interesting. All my test cases work when I try them on this regex tester page:

[Link: www.regextester.com...]

So the regex itself seems to be OK. It must be something else. Needs further cogitation.

310 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:58:16pm

Minnesota elected a wrestler for Governor, a comedian for Senator, sent their Miss America to Fox news, and how exactly will they follow this up? Sending Brett Favre to the superbowl, maybe? Maybe they can get Loni Anderson to run for President.

311 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:58:44pm

re: #309 Charles

Thank you for all the work you do to make this the most interesting blog on the web. It's also very elegant looking, and I know you work very hard to make it this way. I appreciate it!

312 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:59:39pm

re: #310 Sharmuta

Minnesota elected a wrestler for Governor, a comedian for Senator, sent their Miss America to Fox news, and how exactly will they follow this up? Sending Brett Favre to the superbowl, maybe? Maybe they can get Loni Anderson to run for President.

Most likely, assuming the Saints don't steamroll them in the playoffs.

313 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 3:59:51pm

re: #303 sattv4u2

I just wanted clarify the line of conversation and eliminate any confusion on the matter. I have no need to get in the last word.

Also, I was having a bit of fun at your expense. I do hope you don't infer that mean I bear you ill will.

314 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:00:40pm

re: #312 ArchangelMichael

If Brett brings Minnesota an NFL Championship, Wisconsin will never forgive him.

315 ArchangelMichael  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:01:03pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

If Brett brings Minnesota an NFL Championship, Wisconsin will never forgive him.

I'd buy that for a dollar!

316 Interesting Times  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:01:27pm

re: #187 Obdicut

That's got to be satire, right?

Yes (though the fact one even has to ask this question shows how low today's political discourse has sunk. I recall posting a Facebook status update about how difficult it was to tell the difference between actual right-wing commentary and a satire thereof...to which one of my friends replied, "Easy - the actual right-wing commentary is a lot funnier than the satire").

317 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:02:24pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

If Brett brings Minnesota an NFL Championship, Wisconsin will never forgive him.

That would be CHEESY of them!

318 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:02:42pm

re: #282 sattv4u2

He also voted NAY on this

A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes.

[Link: www.senate.gov...]

Why?

That was actually an amendment by Charles Rangel (yes, that Rangel) which passed the house. What he specifically voted nay on was "On the Motion (McCain Motion to Commit H.R. 3590 to the Committee on Finance)."

If you read the amendment you'll also find these two lines:

(4) increase penalties for failure to file a partnership or S corporation tax return.

Amends the Corporate Estimated Tax Shift Act of 2009 to increase corporate estimated tax payments in the third quarter of 2014 by an additional 0.5%.

[Link: thomas.loc.gov...]

319 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:02:52pm

re: #304 Alouette
re: #296 sattv4u2
Franken voted against the interstate use of a CCW permit. I would have liked to see that pass.
His entire record of votes
[Link: www.votesmart.org...]

320 recusancy  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:03:45pm

re: #282 sattv4u2

He also voted NAY on this

A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes.

[Link: www.senate.gov...]

Why?

That was a party line vote. It was a vote on cutting waste funding from medicare. A nay vote was the fiscally conservative vote. But, of course, republicans have found that they love to fund medicare now, so they can claim that dems are trying to send granny to a death panel.

321 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:04:03pm

re: #319 Rightwingconspirator

re: #296 sattv4u2
Franken voted against the interstate use of a CCW permit. I would have liked to see that pass.
His entire record of votes
[Link: www.votesmart.org...]


and here

[Link: www.govtrack.us...]

322 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:04:25pm

re: #316 publicityStunted

A sort of variation on Poe's Law?

323 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:04:51pm

re: #320 recusancy

That was a party line vote. It was a vote on cutting waste funding from medicare. A nay vote was the fiscally conservative vote. But, of course, republicans have found that they love to fund medicare now, so they can claim that dems are trying to send granny to a death panel.

Has he voted against the "party line" yet?

324 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:05:16pm

re: #319 Rightwingconspirator

re: #296 sattv4u2
Franken voted against the interstate use of a CCW permit. I would have liked to see that pass.
His entire record of votes
[Link: www.votesmart.org...]

Good. I think concealed carry laws should only be applicable within the particular state.

325 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:05:39pm

re: #321 sattv4u2

Nice to have another source like that thanks.

326 recusancy  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:05:57pm

re: #323 sattv4u2

Has he voted against the "party line" yet?

No. He voted party line. Republicans voted to keep the funding. Dems voted to cut the wasteful funding. He voted with the dems.

327 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:06:49pm

re: #321 sattv4u2

Favorited both for "useful".

328 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:06:54pm

re: #324 Gus 802

Why not treat it like other licenses? It sucks to lose that right just from traveling.

329 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:07:34pm

re: #327 Decatur Deb

Favorited both for "useful".

my link, or me!?!?!

((don;t answer that!!))

330 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:07:44pm

re: #326 recusancy

No. He voted party line. Republicans voted to keep the funding. Dems voted to cut the wasteful funding. He voted with the dems.

for 30 years it has not been wasteful, why is it now wast... never mind.

331 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:08:21pm

re: #328 Rightwingconspirator

Why not treat it like other licenses? It sucks to lose that right just from traveling.

Last time we let a lot of Yankees bring their guns down here it broke bad.

332 recusancy  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:08:45pm

re: #323 sattv4u2

Has he voted against the "party line" yet?

Oh I didn't read your question correctly. Probably not. He is a liberal and he's only been in office for 9 months.

333 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:09:20pm

re: #328 Rightwingconspirator

Why not treat it like other licenses? It sucks to lose that right just from traveling.

States rights. If they want to travel through a state they have to put it in the trunk. I live in a CC state. But if I didn't I would want to go to a rest area and see a bunch of out of staters carrying. Neither would law enforcement.

334 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:09:24pm

re: #331 Decatur Deb

Last time we let a lot of Yankees bring their guns down here it broke bad.

HEY ,,, we rebuilt Atlanta!

335 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:12:19pm

re: #328 Rightwingconspirator

Why not treat it like other licenses? It sucks to lose that right just from traveling.

why do you need a license to a constitutional right? (yes, I did)

336 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:13:37pm

re: #335 brookly red

why do you need a license to a constitutional right? (yes, I did)

ouch!

337 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:18:03pm

re: #331 Decatur Deb
Well LOL I got nothin to argue with that.

re: #333 Gus 802

Okay I get the states rights thing. Or I would if this were not a constitutional rights issue. A core right BTW. My interest is legal and personal. I used to travel in the jewelry biz. With goods. LA to Tucson gem show, that's 500 long miles. Or drive through 3 or 4 states just selling goods and collecting gold to be refined. My profession faces an elevated risk CCW is designed to address.
Law enforcement by and large disapproves of CCW in general. Too bad. As fast as they run a license plate or drivers license they see who has a CCW or even a registered gun. Like they do now to see who has warrants anyway, or see if a car is stolen.

338 albusteve  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:19:12pm

Cowboys win again!
Aikman 18-23, 274yrds
E. Smith 21 carries for 119
Irvin 1201 yrds 2TDs

life was good then

339 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:19:17pm

re: #335 brookly red

Well under California law I do not need a CCW. There are exemptions for dealers of bullion gold etc. But the insurance will insist.

340 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:20:09pm

re: #337 Rightwingconspirator

Well LOL I got nothin to argue with that.

re: #333 Gus 802

Okay I get the states rights thing. Or I would if this were not a constitutional rights issue. A core right BTW. My interest is legal and personal. I used to travel in the jewelry biz. With goods. LA to Tucson gem show, that's 500 long miles. Or drive through 3 or 4 states just selling goods and collecting gold to be refined. My profession faces an elevated risk CCW is designed to address.
Law enforcement by and large disapproves of CCW in general. Too bad. As fast as they run a license plate or drivers license they see who has a CCW or even a registered gun. Like they do now to see who has warrants anyway, or see if a car is stolen.

Yeah. I thought about it some and like you point out. Truck drivers as well. Maybe an interstate CCW applicable within the vehicle or during work. I don't know.

341 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:20:44pm

re: #337 Rightwingconspirator
rere: #339 Rightwingconspirator

Well under California law I do not need a CCW. There are exemptions for dealers of bullion gold etc. But the insurance will insist.

:
"Law enforcement by and large disapproves of CCW in general."


link?

342 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:21:27pm

re: #338 albusteve

Cowboys win again!
Aikman 18-23, 274yrds
E. Smith 21 carries for 119
Irvin 1201 yrds 2TDs

life was good then

ummm,,, you're watching the NFL CLASSIC NETWORK, Steve!!

343 brookly red  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:22:40pm

re: #339 Rightwingconspirator

Well under California law I do not need a CCW. There are exemptions for dealers of bullion gold etc. But the insurance will insist.

where were you on the Beck thread?

344 albusteve  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:23:08pm

re: #342 sattv4u2

ummm,,, you're watching the NFL CLASSIC NETWORK, Steve!!

looks like Irvin had a career day that game...anyway I'm contemplating killing myself all the same

345 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:24:17pm

re: #341 brookly red

Sure, best I can do on the spot here is an advocate site.
[Link: www.californiaconcealedcarry.com...]

But I had to sue the city and still lost my right to carry. Los Angeles has paid civil fines for failing to issue CCW, and still does so. When a annual permit runs out after you sue and win, they decline to re issue.

Yes LAPD does break state law.
Shocka I'm sure ///

346 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:24:43pm

re: #343 brookly red

Geez which one?

347 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:25:47pm

re: #341 brookly red

Caveat
My opinion is shaped by mu urban surroundings. I know it's easier out rural. :)

348 albusteve  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:25:49pm

re: #343 brookly red

where were you on the Beck thread?

is Beck packin?

349 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:26:42pm

re: #340 Gus 802

Yeah. I thought about it some and like you point out. Truck drivers as well. Maybe an interstate CCW applicable within the vehicle or during work. I don't know.

I've vacilated on this issue myself. I have a permit, but I've never crossed (nor felt the need to) cross state lines with the weapon. I think the 2nd amendment should supercede "states rights" AS LONG as the permit is up to date and all the I's are dotted and Ts crossed. I also would personally call ahead to the main office of the state police of the one I was going too and giving my name, permit #, what I'm driving, how long I expect to be in state, etc just so it's on record. I don;'t think that should be mandatory, but I would have no problem doing it

350 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:27:01pm

re: #348 albusteve

is Beck packin?

not HEAT! He's anti AGW!

351 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:27:57pm

re: #345 Rightwingconspirator

Sure, best I can do on the spot here is an advocate site.
[Link: www.californiaconcealedcarry.com...]

But I had to sue the city and still lost my right to carry. Los Angeles has paid civil fines for failing to issue CCW, and still does so. When a annual permit runs out after you sue and win, they decline to re issue.

Yes LAPD does break state law.
Shocka I'm sure ///

Doesn't really make much sense. It's not like criminals are going to apply for a CCW permit. Also, it's not like barring people from legally obtaining a CCW is going to decrease crime because criminals do concealed carry anyway.

352 simoom  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:28:11pm

re: #309 Charles

Well, that's interesting. All my test cases work when I try them on this regex tester page:

[Link: www.regextester.com...]

So the regex itself seems to be OK. It must be something else. Needs further cogitation.

Maybe it's the regex options that are enabled or disabled? Multi-line, ignore case, ignore whitespace, etc?

353 albusteve  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:28:49pm

re: #350 sattv4u2

not HEAT! He's anti AGW!

probably carries a little nickle plated .32 Derringer to threaten his producer or his maid after work

354 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:30:23pm

re: #352 simoom

Maybe it's the regex options that are enabled or disabled? Multi-line, ignore case, ignore whitespace, etc?

BIGOT!
//

355 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:32:50pm

re: #349 sattv4u2

I've vacilated on this issue myself. I have a permit, but I've never crossed (nor felt the need to) cross state lines with the weapon. I think the 2nd amendment should supercede "states rights" AS LONG as the permit is up to date and all the I's are dotted and Ts crossed. I also would personally call ahead to the main office of the state police of the one I was going too and giving my name, permit #, what I'm driving, how long I expect to be in state, etc just so it's on record. I don;'t think that should be mandatory, but I would have no problem doing it

Is this just for handguns? I remember when we did the motor home thing as kids we'd pack a 12 gauge and a rifle and cross states line and into cities and towns. Registered of course.

356 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:35:53pm

re: #355 Gus 802

Is this just for handguns? I remember when we did the motor home thing as kids we'd pack a 12 gauge and a rifle and cross states line and into cities and towns. Registered of course.

It's probably 50 states--500 jurisdictions.

357 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:36:16pm

re: #351 Gus 802

Oh man I got this like Ludwig has his peer reviewed papers. I worked CCW advocacy for years via NRA and 2nd Amend. Foundation. Testified at LAPD's Oversight committee monthy public meeting. The "police Commission".

Heh, I pulled 2 kilos of gold out right there in the hearing room. Police Chiefs Williams eyes bugged out. Then I handed out my paper with my case, legalities etc. A few days later I get this call from the City Attorney. I'll skip the legal BS-They said no go. I was kinda astonished and the city lady had this to say-If I really wanted to challenge them on the law, they would arrange an arrest, no bail no jail. I would meet a gun detail cop on a corner and of course have a pistol on me concealed. They book me and let me go. then the whole legal process of challenging their decision would start. If I lost I would eat a misdemeanor conviction. I blinked. No money for that kind of lawyers time.

358 sattv4u2  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:37:37pm

re: #355 Gus 802

Is this just for handguns? I remember when we did the motor home thing as kids we'd pack a 12 gauge and a rifle and cross states line and into cities and towns. Registered of course.

Not sure. Mine is for a handgun, and there are states that have reciprocity in getting CCW permits
[Link: www.handgunlaw.us...]

359 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:37:37pm

re: #355 Gus 802

This is about immediately accessible guns, not those locked up for transport.

360 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:38:28pm

re: #358 sattv4u2

Of course a CCW for a full size shotgun is kinda counter productive... LOL

361 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:39:48pm

re: #357 Rightwingconspirator

Oh man I got this like Ludwig has his peer reviewed papers. I worked CCW advocacy for years via NRA and 2nd Amend. Foundation. Testified at LAPD's Oversight committee monthy public meeting. The "police Commission".

Heh, I pulled 2 kilos of gold out right there in the hearing room. Police Chiefs Williams eyes bugged out. Then I handed out my paper with my case, legalities etc. A few days later I get this call from the City Attorney. I'll skip the legal BS-They said no go. I was kinda astonished and the city lady had this to say-If I really wanted to challenge them on the law, they would arrange an arrest, no bail no jail. I would meet a gun detail cop on a corner and of course have a pistol on me concealed. They book me and let me go. then the whole legal process of challenging their decision would start. If I lost I would eat a misdemeanor conviction. I blinked. No money for that kind of lawyers time.

So basically gold couriers in LA are theoretically all unarmed. Kind of strange because the criminals are armed regardless.

362 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:40:22pm

re: #349 sattv4u2

I am with you on the cooperation so everyone is comfy and relaxed. No surprises!

363 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:42:30pm

re: #345 Rightwingconspirator

Sure, best I can do on the spot here is an advocate site.
[Link: www.californiaconcealedcarry.com...]

But I had to sue the city and still lost my right to carry. Los Angeles has paid civil fines for failing to issue CCW, and still does so. When a annual permit runs out after you sue and win, they decline to re issue.

Yes LAPD does break state law.
Shocka I'm sure ///

Interesting link, thank you!

364 JamesWI  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:45:43pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

If Brett brings Minnesota an NFL Championship, Wisconsin will never forgive him.

No chance, there's no way he can go two playoff games without throwing a game-killing interception or 5.

365 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:46:35pm

re: #361 Gus 802

Okay at this point I gotta be careful and avoid specifics. Lets just say the jewelry biz has some unique challenges. We have got to get goods around, yet Brinks and Fedex are not always what we need. But there are armed criminal gangs that train to get after us specifically. In fact all this is how I eventually became a competitive tactical shooter and instructor. I just never quit practicing for 20 years. Plus our families are at risk too. Its weird.

The most experienced gunfighter in decades is a now retired jeweler from Santa Monica. He had several gunfights, never shot first. He is famous as a textbook case of armed defense. Poor guy.

366 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:50:30pm

re: #365 Rightwingconspirator

The jewelry business is unique, and I can well believe that there are criminals who target the jewelry industry specifically.
Stay safe.

367 Cato the Elder  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:50:48pm

By the way, the existence of God is not falsifiable. No matter what Hitchkins may say to the contrary.

368 Gus  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:55:38pm

re: #367 Cato the Elder

By the way, the existence of God is not falsifiable. No matter what Hitchkins may say to the contrary.

You can't prove a negative.

I have a green ball in my left hand.

369 allegro  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:56:43pm

re: #368 Gus 802

I have a green ball in my left hand.

Is that anything like a blue ball?... never mind...

370 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:58:02pm

re: #367 Cato the Elder

Dawkins freely agrees that God belongs to the class of things that is not falsifiable. That class includes every other god as well, in addition to the entire supernatural.

Hitchens I know endorsed a book by a guy who said that God is a failed hypothesis, but I'm not sure he believes that god is a falsifiable claim. He does point out a lot of religious claims that are falsifiable, and have been falsified-- with zero religious claims having been proven.

371 JamesWI  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 4:58:03pm

re: #369 allegro

Is that anything like a blue ball?... never mind...

A green ball would seem to indicate something like leprosy . . .

372 Jaerik  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 5:01:08pm

re: #309 Charles

Well, that's interesting. All my test cases work when I try them on this regex tester page...

Maybe it's the ^ in your look-ahead block? Maybe there's other context before the expression on a LGF page that's breaking that, whereas it really is ^-worthy on a straight cut-paste test on that site.

I dunno, other than that, I got nuthin'. Complex regexes are one of those things I end up having to re-learn every time I need one.

373 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 5:09:14pm

re: #366 Floral Giraffe

Thanks. Do appreciate that.

374 Flame Fin Tomini Tang  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 5:22:02pm

re: #367 Cato the Elder

By the way, the existence of God is not falsifiable. No matter what Hitchkins may say to the contrary.

Sure it is, all you need is two or more gods to come out and say there isn't only one.

375 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 5:33:45pm

re: #190 sattv4u2

show me something Bachmann did in her first 6 months in the House comparable to this achieved by Franken...

[Link: www.minnpost.com...]

376 simoom  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 5:43:50pm

re: #228 Charles

I attempted to redo the regex in a different way just for fun and in case that new one still wasn't working. I haven't tested this very much but it seems to work:

(?< !< a href="http: //[\w\.]*?/[^"]*?)( ?D)1{3,}

I had to put some extra spaces in there to keep LGF from eating the regex. There's one after the first < and one after the second < and a third is after the : .

I'll type out what it's doing in case it got messed up and I didn't catch it. I took your original regex and added a "match if prefix is not present" group in front of it. This prefix group determines if you're inside the quotes after an "< a href=". It does that by matching up to the first quote, the "http: //", then any number of alphanumerics or periods, then a / and finally any character that isn't a quote (that way you know you're still inside the URL).

So, what this should hopefully do is match anything that isn't inside a link's href.

377 simoom  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 5:47:27pm

re: #376 simoom

It ate some of my backslashes. Let me try again (hopefully escaping them all properly this time):

(?< !< a\ href="http: //[\w\.]*?/[^"]*?)( ?\D)\1{3,}

Once again there's three extra spaces in the same places mentioned in my previous comment.

378 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 5:54:39pm

Thanks! I'll check that one out...

379 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 6:18:07pm

re: #377 simoom

Still no joy in Mudville. It works fine for all the character runs, but it's also getting the ones inside the A tags.

This is the page I'm using to test -- it uses PHP, so it's closest to the final product I need:

[Link: www.mytechnologycenter.com...]

380 simoom  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 6:25:46pm

I'll try it on that page. I put the regex together in a C# application.

381 simoom  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 6:31:57pm

re: #379 Charles

That page doesn't seem to like my any character but quotes set:
[^"]

382 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 6:38:28pm

That should be OK -- I use that negated class in lots of regexes, usually like this:

[^"]*

That should ignore everything that isn't a quotation mark.

383 simoom  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 6:45:59pm

Maybe it doesn't support match if prefix is not present groups?

384 simoom  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 7:06:42pm

Hmm, after some googling, I see something about php not liking variable length lookbehinds. I'll fiddle with it a little more.

385 Ghost of Insanity  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 7:06:49pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

Curious, why would I wish to kill something that, to me, does not exist?..

For the practice.

386 simoom  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 7:18:51pm

Actually, I know what would work. Test for the suffix instead since that's always the same after a link (so not variable length which PHP should like). Let me test it real quick on that PHP regex site you linked. I'll post the regex in a couple min.

387 simoom  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 7:21:56pm

Yeah, this seems to work on the PHP site:

( ?\D)\1{3,}(?![^"]*?"\ \ target="_blank">)

I guess variable length look aheads work, just not look behinds.
That * should maybe be a + since there should always be at least some character before the closing quote, but it will work either way.

388 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 7:39:39pm

re: #387 simoom

Yeah, this seems to work on the PHP site:

( ?D)1{3,}(?![^"]*?" target="_blank">)

I guess variable length look aheads work, just not look behinds.
That * should maybe be a + since there should always be at least some character before the closing quote, but it will work either way.

I had to take out the backslashes before the spaces, but yeah, it seems to work. Good work! I'll give this a try in the real world soon.

389 simoom  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 7:44:54pm

re: #388 Charles

Cool, I'm glad it finally worked :).

Out of curiosity, what language are you coding this all in?

390 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 7:48:28pm

re: #389 simoom

Cool, I'm glad it finally worked :).

Out of curiosity, what language are you coding this all in?

PHP. And there do seem to be some quirks in PHP's regex look-behind implementation.

391 simoom  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 7:48:46pm

BTW, this is the post I came across that mentioned the issue with variable length negative lookbehinds under PHP PCRE:
[Link: regexadvice.com...]

The advice they gave to the person with the problem was to use a bunch of fixed length alternations, but it didn't immediately occur to me how that would help here, so I went with the negative lookahead.

392 lostlakehiker  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 8:02:07pm

re: #35 PatA

Joe is my congress critter. I have voted for him and will continue to do so. He is right about this. AGW is nothing more than the worlds largest con which reminds me of Rather's fake but accurate.

Barton's theologically based conviction amounts to this: that nothing really bad can happen because God won't let it happen.

You'd think that the Holocaust was proof enough that when God gave Man free will, he meant it. We are not protected from the evil that we may do each other. This gives us moral scope to be good, because being good matters. Things won't automatically somehow work out even if we take a pass on doing the right thing.

One need not be an atheist to conclude that we had better take care and choose wisely. And AGW is too big a con to be a con. You're in the same camp with the other troofers. You can say that the science is imperfect, and you'd be wrong but nevertheless reasonable. You can't rationally believe in worldwide conspiracies involving thousands and hundreds of thousands of people from all nations and many walks of life.

The scientists didn't fake the retreat of the world's glaciers. That's just real.

393 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 8:02:11pm

re: #391 simoom

BTW, this is the post I came across that mentioned the issue with variable length negative lookbehinds under PHP PCRE:
[Link: regexadvice.com...]

The advice they gave to the person with the problem was to use a bunch of fixed length alternations, but it didn't immediately occur to me how that would help here, so I went with the negative lookahead.

Yeah, I don't see a way to do this with fixed length alternations -- it needs to match any URL that might be in an A tag.

394 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 9:34:46pm

Testing the new regex:

Image: waaambulance-23284.jpg

395 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 9:36:30pm

And another test:

Yeeeaaahhh!!!

Image: waaambulance-23284.jpg

396 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 9:41:40pm

And another test:

Yeeeaaahhh!!!

Image: waaambulance-23284.jpg

397 simoom  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 10:46:22pm

re: #396 Charles

Cool :).

I had one last thought about that regex. It occurred to me that the way it works might not be that ideal performance-wise. I mean where every time it matches the repeating characters it then has to keep searching until it finds a quote or the end of the text being checked. One idea I had was to maybe do an alternation between matching a space (since AFAIK url's shouldn't ever have unescaped spaces in them?) and the negative lookahead for the end of the href. Something along the lines of this:

( ?\D)\1{3,}(?:\ %P%(?![^"]*?"\ \ target="_blank">))

^ I escaped the spaces with backslashes again.

I don't know for sure if the first part of the alternation would short circuit the negative lookahead (it makes intuitive sense, but who knows :P), or even if it does it would necessarily perform better. Just some thoughts if that previous regex causes you any performance problems.

398 simoom  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 10:51:17pm

Quick test using link button, instead of the automatically convert link. Also putting repeating 5 repeating a's in the linked text to make sure that gets truncated :P.

Waaabulence

399 simoom  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 10:58:35pm

^ One last observation. This works here, but in LGF Spy Mode all 5 a's are shown.

400 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:00:18pm

re: #399 simoom

^ One last observation. This works here, but in LGF Spy Mode all 5 a's are shown.

All 5 As are also shown in the individual comment if you click the number on the thread or click the comment in Spy.

401 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 10:28:11am

re: #397 simoom

Cool :).

I had one last thought about that regex. It occurred to me that the way it works might not be that ideal performance-wise. I mean where every time it matches the repeating characters it then has to keep searching until it finds a quote or the end of the text being checked. One idea I had was to maybe do an alternation between matching a space (since AFAIK url's shouldn't ever have unescaped spaces in them?) and the negative lookahead for the end of the href. Something along the lines of this:

( ?D)1{3,}(?: %P%(?![^"]*?" target="_blank">))

^ I escaped the spaces with backslashes again.

I don't know for sure if the first part of the alternation would short circuit the negative lookahead (it makes intuitive sense, but who knows :P), or even if it does it would necessarily perform better. Just some thoughts if that previous regex causes you any performance problems.

Nope, unfortunately the alternation doesn't work.

I haven't done any profiling, but there doesn't seem to be any visible performance problem; I checked it on some large comments pages, and there wasn't any real difference in speed.

Thanks for your help on this -- turns out my original regex was actually fine, it's PHP that was the problem.

The individual comment pages and the Spy are now fixed to use the code.

402 realityzealot  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 11:18:15am

His statement "for one thing there are not many people up on the north poles, its pretty hard to see why we could be causing it." reveals his ignorance more than anything else. Its like the people that look out the window and see snow, and then snicker "global warming... yeah right"


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