Smear Merchant of the Day

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Usually I just ignore this kind of nonsense, but sometimes the smears my admirers post on their blogs are so egregiously dishonest that they need to be pointed out.

Today’s example is at “Weasel Zippers,” a raving anti-Muslim blog that stole its name from one of our random sayings that appear at the top of the right column: Weasel Zippers: Charles Johnson Shocked, SHOCKED to Learn There are Actually People Who Don’t Believe in Man-Made Global Warming…..

Zippy the Pinhead decided to smear me by pointing out that I used to be a “skeptic” (in actuality, I was uninformed and misled by the propagandists, as I noted in this post), and he captures the following screenshot from LGF to “prove it.” (Since I never denied this, I don’t know why he thinks it’s important to “prove it,” but it’s pretty pointless to try to figure out what goes through the alleged minds of these people.)

Again, read this post to see how and why I changed my mind. But the really creepy part is here — Zippy writes:

He really has become as dishonest as the people he once (in the not-so-distant past) detested….

(sorry, no link for the jackass)

Why didn’t he link to my post? Was it just to spite me? Or was it because there’s a very clear update right beneath the section he grabbed, that kind of makes him look like a buffoon?

Not just a buffoon — an outright liar, trying to perpetrate a smear job. Here’s the post he didn’t link to: The Great Global Warming Swindle.

And the same note was posted at the bottom of another LGF entry on this climate denial film: The Great Global Warming Swindle.

By not linking to my post, of course, he prevented people from finding out that he was lying, since they couldn’t click through and see the update that he deliberately left out. And he also prevented me from learning about his smear, since I wouldn’t see the link coming from his blog in my referral logs.

Just another day in the life of the idiots who will go to any length, tell any lie, sneak around, and distort anything I say to smear me. There’s an awful lot of this stuff going around the wingnut blogs right now.

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326 comments
1 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:06:44pm

You'd think that being open to evidence, and changing one's mind based on evidence, was the very same thing as being a traitor, if all you read was people who are angry at LGF for one reason or another.

2 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:07:54pm

Some people can forgive anything but someone changing their mind. It implies they ought to too, and they can't deal with that.

3 darthstar  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:08:58pm

You can tell a lot about a guy by the quality of the people who hate him.

Congratulations.

4 Racer X  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:09:56pm

Charles, several of us have changed our minds on Global Warming. Its perfectly OK.

The only thing you can do is continue to tell the deniers "knowledge is a good thing - find some".

5 Slap  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:10:02pm

Well, Charles, if you're top of their "HE WHO MUST BE SILENCED!!!!!" list, I think you must surely be dropping broken glass into all the "right" crevices.

Need any more? I got plenty....

6 Four More Tears  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:10:38pm

re: #5 Slap

Well, Charles, if you're top of their "HE WHO MUST BE SILENCED!!!" list, I think you must surely be dropping broken glass into all the "right" crevices.

Need any more? I got plenty...

Of crevices...?

7 Gus  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:11:09pm

He certainly lives up to the first part of the blog name: weasel.

He writes like an angry 14 year old boy although with less intelligence.

8 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:12:08pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Hey now!

I had a nice pet weasel once.

Well, it was a stoat, but same difference.

9 Slap  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:12:16pm

re: #6 JasonA

SMOCK!

10 Slap  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:13:25pm

re: #8 obdicut

Did you name it Guinness?

11 robdouth  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:13:46pm

So would you still recommend State of Fear, because I found it very compelling, and a pretty good yarn (although not his greatest like you said). Was Crichton a denier? Was his research crappy? I ask not to be snarky, but because I'm truly curious how you squared these two when I noticed that Crichton sited the hell out of that book.

12 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:14:38pm

Here's another disgusting smear:

Weird but True: Little Green Footballs Attacks Autistic Blogger (Wizbang)

And please note that the person who wrote this IS the owner of "jumpinginpools," even though he doesn't mention that tiny fact.

13 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:15:15pm

I remember WZ, he used to spam-pimp his blog here all the time.

/NTTAWW blog-pimping, but spam blog-pimping is teh suck.

14 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:15:21pm

re: #11 robdouth

So would you still recommend State of Fear, because I found it very compelling, and a pretty good yarn (although not his greatest like you said). Was Crichton a denier? Was his research crappy? I ask not to be snarky, but because I'm truly curious how you squared these two when I noticed that Crichton sited the hell out of that book.

I haven't gone back to the book, but now that I'm much more educated on the subject, I have a pretty good idea what I'll find. No, I don't recommend it.

15 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:15:28pm

Then there is the smear merchants at LGF Watch who seem to think that Charles approvingly quoted George Monbiot in this post.

Idiots.

16 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:15:36pm

re: #12 Charles

Here's another disgusting smear:

Weird but True: Little Green Footballs Attacks Autistic Blogger (Wizbang)

And please note that the person who wrote this IS the owner of "jumpinginpools," even though he doesn't mention that tiny fact.

I am so sorry that you have to deal with these cretins Charles. I really am.

I don't think that there is an easy anti cretin answer.

17 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:15:59pm

THe last commenter on the cached page says:

Is it possible it really isn't the same guy anymore? I don't know how much he "gets out" to be seen by people.

That's how hard it is for some people to believe that a person can change their mind. He thinks it's more likely the whole person changed.

18 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:16:18pm

re: #11 robdouth

So would you still recommend State of Fear, because I found it very compelling, and a pretty good yarn (although not his greatest like you said). Was Crichton a denier? Was his research crappy? I ask not to be snarky, but because I'm truly curious how you squared these two when I noticed that Crichton sited the hell out of that book.

It's a novel, like "The Da Vinci Code."

19 Copernic  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:17:19pm

Charles,
Slightly off topic.
While I've always been more apt to follow the scientific consensus and have been a science advocate for some time, I completely understand the journey you've been on. I've experienced it myself over the last 4-5 years on all sorts of other subjects, coming to realize that I've been swindled by far right propagandists in the past.

I am curious as to whether you've reflected as far back as the Clinton years (or further back) and wonder if your perception of events was equally flawed, being influenced by conservative misinformation or do you see this as a recent phenomenon?

Thanks

20 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:18:28pm

re: #19 Copernic

Charles,
Slightly off topic.
While I've always been more apt to follow the scientific consensus and have been a science advocate for some time, I completely understand the journey you've been on. I've experienced it myself over the last 4-5 years on all sorts of other subjects, coming to realize that I've been swindled by far right propagandists in the past.

I am curious as to whether you've reflected as far back as the Clinton years (or further back) and wonder if your perception of events was equally flawed, being influenced by conservative misinformation or do you see this as a recent phenomenon?

Thanks

I wasn't even close to being a "right winger" during the Clinton years. I voted for Bill Clinton twice, and for Al Gore in 2000.

21 cliffster  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:18:35pm

re: #12 Charles

Now, it took me a little while to write this article and I was extremely skeptical of the charges that Jumping in Pools made at first. But after digging into the links they provided, it appears that they were indeed telling the truth. All I can say is...wow.

So you're saying this person actually is Jumping in Pools, so he was extremely skeptical of the charges that he himself was making?

22 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:18:51pm

They seem to stop at nothing to slander you and LGF. Got 'em running scared, I think.

23 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:18:52pm

re: #21 cliffster

So you're saying this person actually is Jumping in Pools, so he was extremely skeptical of the charges that he himself was making?

That's right.

24 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:19:03pm

re: #12 Charles

Here's another disgusting smear:

Weird but True: Little Green Footballs Attacks Autistic Blogger (Wizbang)

And please note that the person who wrote this IS the owner of "jumpinginpools," even though he doesn't mention that tiny fact.

It's interesting they say you attacked this person when it was someone else's comment.

25 cliffster  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:20:42pm

re: #23 Charles

That's right.

What a jackass

26 Kragar  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:21:00pm

re: #12 Charles

Here's another disgusting smear:

Weird but True: Little Green Footballs Attacks Autistic Blogger (Wizbang)

And please note that the person who wrote this IS the owner of "jumpinginpools," even though he doesn't mention that tiny fact.

He also doesn't mention he is a complete asshole. He starts shit, then when people call him on it, defends with "You guys should be ashamed because ...". My answer to that is "FUCK YOU."

27 robdouth  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:21:10pm

re: #18 Alouette

I never said it was a peer-reviewed paper, but he does provide citations to what I thought at the time was legitimate science. He also wrote in the forward that he deliberated and researched to see which side he should come down on. I was just interested if he was considered foolish, just plain wrong, or part of the denying scene while still alive.

I had a serious amount of respect for the work and research he did do make many of his novels as accurate as possible. I'm not saying that makes him a credible source, but it did make me stop and think at the time. Did he just link to bad sources?

28 Neutral President  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:21:30pm

re: #24 Sharmuta

It's interesting they say you attacked this person when it was someone else's comment.

Because everyone knows that no one actually comments here. Charles has 30,000 sockpuppets and spends all day talking to himself on teh Intarwebz.

/

29 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:22:22pm

re: #21 cliffster

So you're saying this person actually is Jumping in Pools, so he was extremely skeptical of the charges that he himself was making?

Correction: it's apparently the brother of the jumpinginpools blogger.

See: [Link: twitter.com...]

30 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:22:30pm

"Just another day in the life of the idiots who will go to any length, tell any lie, sneak around, and distort anything I say to smear me. There’s an awful lot of this stuff going around the wingnut blogs right now."

They must love having you inside their heads.
YUCK!

31 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:23:08pm

re: #27 robdouth

His novels are not, in any way, accurate about much of anything.

State of Fear review by the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry

32 Big Steve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:23:51pm

re: #20 Charles

I wasn't even close to being a "right winger" during the Clinton years. I voted for Bill Clinton twice, and for Al Gore in 2000.

Hey....my sister (a raving lib) says I am the world's most independent voter (voted Bill Clinton twice, George Bush twice) but it looks like you are close. And incidentally, I would vote for Bill Clinton again if I could.

33 RogueOne  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:25:24pm

re: #32 Big Steve

Hey...my sister (a raving lib) says I am the world's most independent voter (voted Bill Clinton twice, George Bush twice) but it looks like you are close. And incidentally, I would vote for Bill Clinton again if I could.

I'd vote for Obama over Clinton, Obama at least takes the job seriously.

34 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:25:44pm

re: #19 Copernic

I wouldn't label the misinformation as "conservative", more accurate to say "right wing reactionary".

Much of the conspiracy theory stuff that the far right pimped back then goes back to the same source that they pimp now: Alex Jones.

I find it telling that the far right reactionaries only show interest in his garbage when there is a democrat in the White House. They certainly weren't pimping his Bush conspiracy theories the last eight years.

35 Neutral President  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:25:51pm

re: #31 obdicut

His novels are not, in any way, accurate about much of anything.

State of Fear review by the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry

Even when I was more "on that side" for lack of a better term, I was never comfortable with holding up a fictional novel as an example of reality. It's like looking for historical facts in a Dan Brown novel. There's a few facts sprinkled onto a whole lot of fantasy, and more often than not, bullshit.

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:26:01pm

re: #28 ArchangelMichael

Because everyone knows that no one actually comments here. Charles has 30,000 sockpuppets and spends all day talking to himself on teh Intarwebz.

/

He is a very fast writer.

37 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:26:30pm

re: #27 robdouth

I never said it was a peer-reviewed paper, but he does provide citations to what I thought at the time was legitimate science. He also wrote in the forward that he deliberated and researched to see which side he should come down on. I was just interested if he was considered foolish, just plain wrong, or part of the denying scene while still alive.

I had a serious amount of respect for the work and research he did do make many of his novels as accurate as possible. I'm not saying that makes him a credible source, but it did make me stop and think at the time. Did he just link to bad sources?

Considering that his other novels are about cloning dinosaurs, and nano-robots that can assume the shape of human beings, however thoroughly his books are researched they are still fiction.

I do have a favorite scene from State of Fear. It's when the self-worshipping celebrity "who plays the President on TV" meets this primitive tribe, and becomes their god. (spoiler not included)

38 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:28:11pm

re: #35 ArchangelMichael

Even when I was more "on that side" for lack of a better term, I was never comfortable with holding up a fictional novel as an example of reality. It's like looking for historical facts in a Dan Brown novel. There's a few facts sprinkled onto a whole lot of fantasy, and more often than not, bullshit.

But when you write thrillers, you are allowed. I mean, I'm tinkering with an outline for a novel right now that involves djinns from Texas doing freelance specials ops in Iraq. Texas, Iraq, and a lot of other stuff in the story all exist. Djinni, on the other hand...

39 Mark Pennington  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:28:34pm

You shouldn't have to defend yourself against these idiots but I like the way you slap them down and make them look foolish. It's always fun to watch!

40 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:28:45pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

Slip in a dybbuk. They're hot right now.

41 Kragar  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:28:56pm

re: #29 Charles

Correction: it's apparently the brother of the jumpinginpools blogger.

See: [Link: twitter.com...]

The Lloyd Christmas and Harry Dunne of blogging.

42 Neutral President  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:29:03pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

He is a very fast writer.

Douche 2.0: The Blogravesty headline: Chuckles the Lizard King using his SFZ sockpuppet all but admits to Meth use!

800,000 retweets in the Twitter kookosphere to follow...

/is this necessary?

43 Odahi  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:29:09pm

I'm not concerned with what some other blogger thinks of Charles, and while I deeply respect your opinion, I'm not much concerned about what you think of some other blogger. I see it more as a clash of personalities, and I try to avoid that kind of thing. I read LGF because I like the atmosphere here, and I respect Charles' sense of honor and truth. I read a couple of other blogs, but I don't talk about them here, and I don't talk about LGF there. It's not something that I think is germane to the conversation. I do think it's indicative of the level of immaturity of the others that they persist in obsessive personal attacks on Charles. I won't read anything of that type, I think it's a waste of time.

44 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:29:13pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

THe last commenter on the cached page says:

That's how hard it is for some people to believe that a person can change their mind. He thinks it's more likely the whole person changed.

Well, I have my suspicions sometimes. Ever notice how you never see Charles and Buckethead photographed together?
/

I don't think I'd have the intestinal resilience to stand up to all this vilification. Kudos to Charles for soldiering on like this.

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:29:36pm

re: #40 obdicut

Slip in a dybbuk. They're hot right now.

Sure, why not? The djinni is Maronite, however.

46 Big Steve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:29:50pm

re: #33 RogueOne

I'd vote for Obama over Clinton, Obama at least takes the job seriously.

I do admit to have a little man-love for Bill Clinton. He was exactly the same age as me and I just felt he looked at the world the same way I would. Mrs Big Steve used to tell me years ago that if I ever became President, "I could have all the chippys" I wanted. "Chippys" was her word not mine. (She did clarify that as First Lady she had dibs on Tom Hanks!) So even that aspect of Big Bill I understood.

47 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:30:21pm

re: #12 Charles

Here's another disgusting smear:

Weird but True: Little Green Footballs Attacks Autistic Blogger (Wizbang)

And please note that the person who wrote this IS the owner of "jumpinginpools," even though he doesn't mention that tiny fact.

What a weird article in third person.

Is there some sort of anti-hat-tip for Cato in here somewhere? Couldn't help but see that bit...

48 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:30:29pm

bbl all

49 robdouth  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:38:54pm

re: #37 Alouette

Again I'm being very specific about the research he sites (the back part of the book is a number of pages pointing to research, and the foreword he wrote where he talked about what he called the "hype" of AGW. I'm not saying he was accurate in the book, I'm pointing specifically to the research he provided. Was he just duped?

50 Neutral President  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:39:15pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

But when you write thrillers, you are allowed. I mean, I'm tinkering with an outline for a novel right now that involves djinns from Texas doing freelance specials ops in Iraq. Texas, Iraq, and a lot of other stuff in the story all exist. Djinni, on the other hand...

Yeah but because there are excellent factual details about some things does not mean there will be for everything. A lot of detail about Texas and Iraq shouldn't make you believe in Djinni.

51 researchok  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:39:23pm

Most bloggers don't have CJ's credentials. Their only 'claim to fame' are blogs with no other real track record of accomplishment.

They exist in a blog universe that rewards only ever escalating hysteria and charges and counter charges, as each blogger tries to out do the other.

The blogger referred to wants to believe he is the author of his own 'Rathergate' and equal to LGF.

Pitiful, really.

52 Jaerik  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:39:51pm

They do it because these are the people that think "sticking to your guns" in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is inherently virtuous. Even if the resulting position is self-contradictory or shockingly illogical. To them, changing your mind on something is worse than sticking to something that's wrong.

You can't be surprised by it, dude. It was a major philosophical part of their entire platform for the past three election cycles.

53 RogueOne  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:39:51pm

re: #47 Aceofwhat?


Is there some sort of anti-hat-tip for Cato in here somewhere? Couldn't help but see that bit...

Cato has a long way to go before he reaches my expert level of "foot-in-mouth" action.

54 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:40:46pm

re: #51 researchok

Petulant ankle-biters.

55 DaddyG  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:41:19pm

Cherry Trees are providing evidence that Global Warming does not exist. Just ask the cherry pickers. /

56 researchok  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:44:15pm

re: #54 Sharmuta

It's interesting to watch, this obsession they have with LGF/CJ.

They seem to believe that having an url is a great equalizer. It is ironic that many of these bloggers are some of the greatest moral relativists of all. They achieve nothing, they have accomplished nothing and yet they feel their ideas are meritorious simply because, well, they are their ideas.

I could go on, but you get the point.

57 cliffster  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:45:00pm

Bonnie Raitt's Unnecessarily Mercenary kicks ass.

58 RogueOne  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:49:28pm

OT: My spouse works for a large cable company that just bought a large network. Today a FedEx package arrived with a "Welcome" letter to all employees touting up their purchase of Universal and to celebrate they put in 2 Universal Studios movies. I'm now the proud owner of "Kindergarten Cop" and the full screen version of "The Bourne Ultimatum". "My wife's company bought NBC and all I got were these 2 lousy movies" would look good on a t-shirt.

59 andres  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:50:03pm

Sorry for the slight OT (still related by smear, and by Charles' "Left the Right" evidence): Talk Radio Network Producers Say ‘Feliz Navidad’ With ‘Illegals In My Yard’ . (Compare to one of the most famous renditions.)

I usually get a hearty laugh out of parodies and characterizations, but this crosses the line. This thing turned my stomach.

60 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:57:10pm

re: #49 robdouth

Again I'm being very specific about the research he sites (the back part of the book is a number of pages pointing to research, and the foreword he wrote where he talked about what he called the "hype" of AGW. I'm not saying he was accurate in the book, I'm pointing specifically to the research he provided. Was he just duped?

State of Fear was filled with cites to the research that backed many of the plot points in the novel. I don't remember ever reading another fiction novel that did that as thoroughly as Crichton did there. That being said however, it is likely that he was citing specifically in favor of the viewpoint he wanted to put forth. It might be an interesting exercise to go back and see which of the references have since been disproved, or at least effectively argued against. The roughly 5 years since it was published have seen significant advancement in the science, even if it is not being effectively disseminated by a media that would rather focus on the controversial and extreme.

Maybe some AGW advocates (the ones with the actual scientific backgrounds, not Leo or Al) should hire pretty starlets to prance around in bikinis or sans clothing saying that soon, this is all they will need to wear, ala PETA and their fur campaign. That would make the news whenever sweeps came around.

61 Slap  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:58:49pm

re: #47 Aceofwhat?

OK, it's been a long day. Reading the thread, my eyes registered "Artistic Booger" and I had several bizarre images run thru my head.

Time to look at something other than a screen today.

Have fun, lizards!

62 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:58:57pm

re: #59 andres

Sorry for the slight OT (still related by smear, and by Charles' "Left the Right" evidence): Talk Radio Network Producers Say ‘Feliz Navidad’ With ‘Illegals In My Yard’ . (Compare to one of the most famous renditions.)

I usually get a hearty laugh out of parodies and characterizations, but this crosses the line. This thing turned my stomach.

That's just sick.

63 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:00:54pm

re: #59 andres

Sorry for the slight OT (still related by smear, and by Charles' "Left the Right" evidence): Talk Radio Network Producers Say ‘Feliz Navidad’ With ‘Illegals In My Yard’ . (Compare to one of the most famous renditions.)

I usually get a hearty laugh out of parodies and characterizations, but this crosses the line. This thing turned my stomach.

Wonderful. And then they act surprised when Latino voters abandon the GOP in droves.

64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:02:10pm

re: #60 CyanSnowHawk


Maybe some AGW advocates (the ones with the actual scientific backgrounds, not Leo or Al) should hire pretty starlets to prance around in bikinis or sans clothing saying that soon, this is all they will need to wear, ala PETA and their fur campaign. That would make the news whenever sweeps came around.

If they do that, then I'll have a score of smudge pots burning in my back yard 24/7.
/

65 philosophus invidius  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:07:55pm

I guess that blog author thinks that imperviousness to newly discovered factual data is an intellectual virtue.

Regarding the link to the updated post: if one wanted to be extremely charitable to this guy (which is hardly deserved), one might think that he was confused about the "update" appended to the bottom of the post since it does not have a time stamp.

66 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:08:03pm

re: #59 andres

Sorry for the slight OT (still related by smear, and by Charles' "Left the Right" evidence): Talk Radio Network Producers Say ‘Feliz Navidad’ With ‘Illegals In My Yard’ . (Compare to one of the most famous renditions.)

I usually get a hearty laugh out of parodies and characterizations, but this crosses the line. This thing turned my stomach.

This one is really old:

Police nabbed my dad
Police nabbed my dad
Police nabbed my dad
And confiscated his crystal lab

Police nabbed my dad
Police nabbed my dad
Police nabbed my dad
And confiscated all the drugs that he had.

He's been condemned to a scary Christmas
Stuck in the peniten-tiary Christmas
But we'll pretend it's a merry Christmas
Hoping Santa posts his bail!

67 robdouth  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:09:11pm

re: #60 CyanSnowHawk

Thank you for the thorough, yet respectful answer. That was more what I was searching for. I hadn't thought about the time value of information or that the book was near 5 years old and may have been using outdated info at that time. I appreciate you answering the question, and not just saying, "It's fiction, get bent" in so many words.

68 Gus  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:09:41pm

re: #63 Charles

Wonderful. And then they act surprised when Latino voters abandon the GOP in droves.

What's more ridiculous is that people will hear that song and respond by saying, "what wrong with that?" Human Events being a sponsor of CPAC and also the seller of their mailing list to the GOP.

Sure enough the most popular article at Human Events is a threesome of sorts. Written by Pat Buchanan and regarding or applauding the auditing of the Fed as promoted by Ron Paul.

69 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:10:25pm

Time for a stroll on The Sonny Side of the Street (Dizzy Gillespie, Sonny Rollins, Sonny Stitt

70 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:11:07pm

re: #65 philosophus invidius

It's not confusion. There is a deliberate campaign going on to smear Charles and LGF as much as possible, and those engaged in it are not above lying.

71 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:11:56pm

re: #40 obdicut

Slip in a dybbuk. They're hot right now.


Dybbuk stops here.

72 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:13:55pm

Sorry to be OT, but has anyone seen this??? Guitar Hero Christmas lights?

Youtube Video

An extravaganza!

73 Locker  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:14:21pm

re: #65 philosophus invidius

I guess that blog author thinks that imperviousness to newly discovered factual data is an intellectual virtue.

Regarding the link to the updated post: if one wanted to be extremely charitable to this guy (which is hardly deserved), one might think that he was confused about the "update" appended to the bottom of the post since it does not have a time stamp.

If one wanted to make an educated guess, one might think that this guy isn't confused at all but rather a lying, smearing, jerkfuck.

74 Kragar  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:14:49pm

re: #71 Stuart Leviton

Dybbuk stops here.

But the Daleks stop for no one.

75 cliffster  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:15:20pm

re: #59 andres

Sorry for the slight OT (still related by smear, and by Charles' "Left the Right" evidence): Talk Radio Network Producers Say ‘Feliz Navidad’ With ‘Illegals In My Yard’ . (Compare to one of the most famous renditions.)

I usually get a hearty laugh out of parodies and characterizations, but this crosses the line. This thing turned my stomach.

I hope Santa brings him a big fat lawsuit for Christmas.

76 robdouth  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:16:01pm

re: #71 Stuart Leviton

I appreciate the levity, but can you remember the last time a politician actually conveyed that message: The Buck stops here. Some of Bush's admin blamed Clinton, Much of Obama's message has been tailored to push the fact that it's an "inherited" mess. I think I'd sell my cow for 3 magic beans, if a politician said ahead of getting elected (think 2012 or 2016): "yes my opponent/incumbent/etc has made mistakes, but as soon as I take office, it will be my mess. I go into this office knowing what it will take, and as soon as I'm sworn in, I will be responsible for the actions from that date on." I think I might faint if I heard that.

77 irish rose  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:16:05pm

Evening, lizards.
Hate never takes a holiday.

78 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:17:36pm

re: #67 robdouth

Thank you for the thorough, yet respectful answer. That was more what I was searching for. I hadn't thought about the time value of information or that the book was near 5 years old and may have been using outdated info at that time. I appreciate you answering the question, and not just saying, "It's fiction, get bent" in so many words.

You're welcome. The anonymity of blog commenting lends itself to a certain lack of civility at times. Charles keeps most of it away from here with his steadfast enforcement of the guidelines. Other sites would likely be saying much worse than 'get bent.'

79 allegro  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:18:50pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

Whoa! I loved that! It made me grin all over. Thanks for posting!!

80 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:20:06pm

re: #68 Gus 802

What's more ridiculous is that people will hear that song and respond by saying, "what wrong with that?" Human Events being a sponsor of CPAC and also the seller of their mailing list to the GOP.

Sure enough the most popular article at Human Events is a threesome of sorts. Written by Pat Buchanan and regarding or applauding the auditing of the Fed as promoted by Ron Paul.

I learned some interesting facts about their editor this morning:

Jed Babbin is a former United States Deputy Undersecretary of Defense who served during the first Bush administration in the United States, and is the author of the political book Inside the Asylum as well as Showdown and In the Words of Our Enemies.

He is a political commentator and contributing editor to The American Spectator, and a contributor to National Review Online. Mr. Babbin is also a frequent guest host on Talk Radio WMET in Washington, D.C. He is an online editor of Human Events.

He guest-hosted The Rush Limbaugh Program on July 17, 2008. He guest-hosted the Mark Levin Show on August 10, 2009.

I also saw at Snopes that Babbin is the source of the "deer hunting without an accordion" quotation. Maybe it should be removed from the rotating titles (or am I becoming oversensitive?)

81 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:20:07pm

re: #60 CyanSnowHawk

He also made a journalist critic of his AGW stance in State of Fear a child molester in his next book. Classy guy, that Crichton. Loads of credibilty.

82 Stanghazi  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:21:02pm

re: #79 allegro

Whoa! I loved that! It made me grin all over. Thanks for posting!!

All I can do is hang a string around my balcony. That is insane!

83 allegro  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:21:52pm

re: #82 Stanley Sea

All I can do is hang a string around my balcony.

Kinky.

84 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:22:01pm

re: #70 Sharmuta

It's not confusion. There is a deliberate campaign going on to smear Charles and LGF as much as possible, and those engaged in it are not above lying.

Hey, speaking of smears, that reminds me! Didn't you just accuse me in my absence of laughing at starving African people because I thought the movie Heathers was funny?

I think I remember reading that. Because I like to read things.

85 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:22:22pm

People who live in glass houses shouldn't get stoned.

86 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:22:48pm

re: #78 CyanSnowHawk

You're welcome. The anonymity of blog commenting lends itself to a certain lack of civility at times. Charles keeps most of it away from here with his steadfast enforcement of the guidelines. Other sites would likely be saying much worse than 'get bent.'

The reason I keep coming back.

87 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:22:59pm

re: #84 WindUpBird

No- I suggested you go laugh at dying Africans because you find things like suicide and death to be funny.

88 robdouth  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:23:43pm

re: #59 andres

The verses are horribly offensive, but as quick problem with the link you mentioned: are we not allowed to say illegals anymore? I find it Orwellian to hear someone say that the term is offensive to immigrant rights organizations is kinda silly isn't it. It's an accurate term, even if it's taken on a perjorative meaning. It also serves a descriptive function, whereas certain racial epithets are strictly perjorative.

Would anyone lend credence to an article that said CAIR took offense to the term terrorist, or some 9-11 truther group took offense to the term truther. Please note I'm not comparing immigrants morally with the other two groups, I'm just saying it seems rather silly that if just because someone take offense to something, doesn't mean it should be considered a horrible and offensive term.

Most importantly, the idiot putting the song out should be out of their jobs, but color me pathetic if I find fault with the arguement, even when that person is right, but it's the way I am. Sometimes I'd rather be wrong but use sound reasoning then be right with incorrect reasoning, because the first leads to the likelihood that I'll be right in the future more often then the 2nd.

89 ryannon  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:24:33pm

"...the alleged minds of these people."

I've never used 'LOL' in a post and I'm not about to start now, but that was a funny one!

90 jdog29  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:24:41pm

Don't hate the playah, hate the game.

91 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:25:02pm

re: #76 robdouth

can you remember the last time a politician actually conveyed that message: The Buck stops here
...
if a politician said ahead of getting elected: "yes my opponent has made mistakes, but when I take office, it will be my mess...I will be responsible for the actions from that date on. So help me God." I think I might faint if I heard that.

I applaud you. I think you also took my silliness and brought it back to topic: the dishonesty in the public discourse.

(forgive my editing)

92 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:25:11pm

re: #81 WindUpBird

He also made a journalist critic of his AGW stance in State of Fear a child molester in his next book. Classy guy, that Crichton. Loads of credibilty.

If you read what he did to the Martin Sheen/Ed Begley Jr. amalgam character in State of Fear, doing that to a critic should not surprise you. I didn't read the next book, what was it?

93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:26:14pm

re: #81 WindUpBird

He is no more.

94 Irish Rose  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:27:27pm

re: #51 researchok

The blogger referred to wants to believe he is the author of his own 'Rathergate' and equal to LGF.

Pitiful, really.

Why anyone would take a blog that goes by the name of "Weasel Zippers" seriously is beyond me.

95 Gus  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:28:00pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

I also saw at Snopes that Babbin is the source of the "deer hunting without an accordion" quotation. Maybe it should be removed from the rotating titles (or am I becoming oversensitive?)

Looks like another batch of muscleheads.

96 cliffster  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:28:27pm

re: #93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He is no more.

The book Next was a pretty crazy read. I don't believe in pissing on the dead myself, unless they really deserve it.

97 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:28:48pm

re: #8 obdicut

Hey now!

I had a nice pet weasel once.

Well, it was a stoat, but same difference.

Don't change the subject of this thread to pet weasels.

98 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:29:15pm

re: #94 Irish Rose

Why anyone would take a blog that goes by the name of "Weasel Zippers" seriously is beyond me.

Never judge a blog by its name. (Look where you're posting! Just sayin'...)

99 Racer X  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:29:24pm

re: #94 Irish Rose

Why anyone would take a blog that goes by the name of "Weasel Zippers" seriously is beyond me.

Oh I dunno. There might be a poster here who takes Iceweasel Zippers quite seriously.

100 Gus  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:29:28pm

re: #94 Irish Rose

Why anyone would take a blog that goes by the name of "Weasel Zippers" seriously is beyond me.

Conservative4Palin went ahead and linked to the stupid blog at Weaselzippers. I guess that's fitting.

101 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:30:02pm

re: #99 Racer X

Oh I dunno. There might be a poster here who takes Iceweasel Zippers quite seriously.

Low blow.

102 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:30:46pm

re: #92 CyanSnowHawk

If you read what he did to the Martin Sheen/Ed Begley Jr. amalgam character in State of Fear, doing that to a critic should not surprise you. I didn't read the next book, what was it?

The book "Next" about genetic engineering.

103 robdouth  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:31:25pm

re: #81 WindUpBird

See Cyan, this is what I'm talking about. I am specific to a small amount of data, and so many more people go with non-sequitir responses. This is what is wrong with politics so much nowadays, and even the intelligent posters here fall into the same trap (myself included.) You make a point, fully expecting to be informed if you are wrong (lord knows half my posts say "I could be wrong" or "correct me if I'm wrong" and I usually have to put in a rejoinder just to keep the snark away) and you get complete trashing of the person you ask about. I ask, does A have any credibility on point B, and someone says, A did this mean thing and is a douche, they aren't credible. That doesn't answer my question, that's just an emotional response to something that guy did. Being an asshole or jerk does not automatically make your information wrong, but people will spout this drivel as if it ends the debate. It's saddening, and the really bad thing is, Cyan was respectful, answered the question directly, and was so much more persuasive than a drive by non-sequitir comment.

I know what you mean about CJ monitoring, but usually that the guys who are jerks and disagree and are offensive. Usually you can be pretty damn snarky and rude if you're on the "right" side of the issue. It's why I said I'd rather be wrong sometimes with good reasoning then right with bad reasoning. The same is true with attitude, because if I ask a simple question and someone is correct but an asshole, why would I want to throw my lot in with them?

104 Racer X  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:31:29pm

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

Low blow.

Thats what she said.

105 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:31:55pm

re: #96 cliffster

The book Next was a pretty crazy read. I don't believe in pissing on the dead myself, unless they really deserve it.

I recommend limiting oneself to pissing on graves rather than directly on corpses.

106 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:32:06pm

re: #92 CyanSnowHawk

If you read what he did to the Martin Sheen/Ed Begley Jr. amalgam character in State of Fear, doing that to a critic should not surprise you. I didn't read the next book, what was it?

Just looked up his bibliography. The next book was "Next."

107 researchok  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:32:07pm

re: #94 Irish Rose

Why anyone would take a blog that goes by the name of "Weasel Zippers" seriously is beyond me.

I resemble that remark. Three dead shrinks and all that....

108 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:32:39pm

Never mind Weasel Zippers, I like Squirrel Nut Zippers.

Youtube Video
109 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:32:56pm

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

Low blow.

wasn't ferret...

110 cliffster  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:36:30pm

re: #105 Spare O'Lake

I recommend limiting oneself to pissing on graves rather than directly on corpses.

That implies that you've done the latter. What's wrong with you, you sick THING?

111 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:37:32pm

re: #110 cliffster

That implies that you've done the latter. What's wrong with you, you sick THING?

Alice Cooper?

112 Stuart Leviton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:38:43pm

re: #103 robdouth

Your #103 was long, but am glad I read it. ++updingie ++

113 cliffster  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:38:52pm

re: #111 BruceKelly

He posts here? Go figure

114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:39:01pm

I've come a long way on Global Warming in the past six months (I used to have a snarky "Al Gore" avatar). I read "State of Fear", and while the science has gone the way of the T-Rex, another large part of his book was about the hypocrisy that is also a large part of the issue.

Greg Craven (thanks for finding that, Charles!) pretty much sums it up for me.

What can I do? I can't drive less (work, ugh). I don't have a factory that I can clean up. But, I can make some pretty easy personal decisions...

1. Drink less bottled water (never drank much to begin with) (see "Scam")
2. Try to buy things that are packaged responsibly.
3. Use less water.
4. Curb my personal energy use.
5. Not eat animals (huge pollution contribution there)

But, I ain't gonna sit around and argue about it.

115 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:40:12pm

re: #103 robdouth

That's the way blogging is. Some places are just better moderated.

116 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:40:48pm

re: #110 cliffster

That implies that you've done the latter. What's wrong with you, you sick THING?

It's the greener way...save on watering the flowers, ya luddite!

117 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:41:16pm

In the Chronicle of Higher Education:

Scholars Nostalgic for the Old South Study the Virtues of Secession, QuietlyTo avoid being tagged as racist, professors retreat to the Abbeville Institute to study the virtues of secession

118 allegro  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:42:03pm

re: #114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

1. Drink less bottled water (never drank much to begin with) (see "Scam")
2. Try to buy things that are packaged responsibly.
3. Use less water.
4. Curb my personal energy use.
5. Not eat animals (huge pollution contribution there)

I believe this is the way we can all contribute to make a huge difference and quite quickly. There are so many things we do out of thoughtless habit that make no big deal of a difference in our quality of life, but that make an enormous difference when we all get involved.

119 cliffster  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:42:38pm

re: #116 Spare O'Lake

It's the greener way...save on watering the flowers, ya luddite!

The way I eat and drink, the flowers wouldn't make it a day.

120 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:42:52pm

re: #116 Spare O'Lake

It's the greener way...save on watering the flowers, ya luddite!

Think of the ph imbalance!

121 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:44:06pm

OT, but interesting editorial in the WSJ today that sums up a lot of what a lot of us have been saying lately...GOP needs to sack the stupid.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

122 windsagio  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:45:20pm

re: #103 robdouth

really?

REALLY?

I am literally at a loss.


Heres a hint. He probably just thinks Michael Chrichton was a total douche, don't take other peoples posts so seriously.

I swear (and I'm gonna get reamed out for this) alot of the people on here are so old and non-internet. Snark isn't the opposite of good discussion. Old talking points and outright ignoring people are.

123 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:48:04pm

re: #121 Aceofwhat?

OT, but interesting editorial in the WSJ today that sums up a lot of what a lot of us have been saying lately...GOP needs to sack the stupid.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Good article, thanks for the link. I am not alone.

124 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:48:05pm

re: #122 windsagio

really?

REALLY?

I am literally at a loss.

Heres a hint. He probably just thinks Michael Chrichton was a total douche, don't take other peoples posts so seriously.

I swear (and I'm gonna get reamed out for this) alot of the people on here are so old and non-internet. Snark isn't the opposite of good discussion. Old talking points and outright ignoring people are.

"Old and non-internet" Really, kiddy, I was on line when this was Darpanet. I was programming computers when we had those beads on those wires thingy's in those wooden frames. Get a fucking clue.

Oops, did I say that?

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:48:42pm

re: #118 allegro

Very few of us have egregiously dangerous footprints by ourselves. It is the aggregate that causes so much of a problem (yes, I am Captain Obvious).

What amazes me, is if ever human being on the planet stood together in a few square feet each, we'd cover an area the size smaller than Rhode Island.

Don't know if we are causing all the problem, but, what does it hurt for each of us to do our little part. The worst that could happen?

126 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:48:50pm

re: #121 Aceofwhat?

OT, but interesting editorial in the WSJ today that sums up a lot of what a lot of us have been saying lately...GOP needs to sack the stupid.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Wow- that's a great piece:

What makes these voters potential Republicans is that, lifestyle choices aside, they view big government with great suspicion. There's no law that someone who enjoys organic food, rides his bike to work, or wants a diverse school for his kids must also believe that the federal government should take over the health-care system or waste money on thousands of social programs with no evidence of effectiveness. Nor do highly educated people have to agree that a strong national defense is harmful to the cause of peace and international cooperation.

So how to woo these voters to the Republican column? The first step is to stop denigrating intelligence and education. President George W. Bush's bantering about being a "C" student may have enamored "the man in the street," but it surely discouraged more than a few "A" students from feeling like part of the team.

The same is true for Mrs. Palin's inability to name a single newspaper she reads. If the GOP doesn't want to be branded the "Party of Stupid," it could stand to nominate more people who can speak eloquently on complicated policy matters.

Really nailed it there.

127 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:49:10pm

re: #122 windsagio

I swear (and I'm gonna get reamed out for this) alot of the people on here are so old and non-internet.

Could you explain that so I can properly ream you for it? Can one post on a blog and be "non-internet"? How old is "so old"?

128 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:49:15pm

re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Very few of us have egregiously dangerous footprints by ourselves. It is the aggregate that causes so much of a problem (yes, I am Captain Obvious).

What amazes me, is if ever human being on the planet stood together in a few square feet each, we'd cover an area the size smaller than Rhode Island.

Don't know if we are causing all the problem, but, what does it hurt for each of us to do our little part. The worst that could happen?

Dehydration?

129 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:49:24pm

re: #123 BruceKelly

Good article, thanks for the link. I am not alone.

You and me and an LGF calendar, and that's all I need. And this ashtray.

130 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:49:36pm

re: #121 Aceofwhat?

OT, but interesting editorial in the WSJ today that sums up a lot of what a lot of us have been saying lately...GOP needs to sack the stupid.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

coming from WSJ is pretty damning...

131 ryannon  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:49:41pm

re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Very few of us have egregiously dangerous footprints by ourselves. It is the aggregate that causes so much of a problem (yes, I am Captain Obvious).

What amazes me, is if ever human being on the planet stood together in a few square feet each, we'd cover an area the size smaller than Rhode Island.

Don't know if we are causing all the problem, but, what does it hurt for each of us to do our little part. The worst that could happen?

We all move to Rhode Island.

132 allegro  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:49:46pm

re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don't know if we are causing all the problem, but, what does it hurt for each of us to do our little part. The worst that could happen?

We'd save money on our electric bills?

133 cliffster  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:49:55pm

re: #124 Walter L. Newton

"Old and non-internet" Really, kiddy, I was on line when this was Darpanet. I was programming computers when we had those beads on those wires thingy's in those wooden frames. Get a fucking clue.

Oops, did I say that?

Why are old people internet-fearing technology bigots?? Especially old people posting on blogs? //

134 jaunte  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:50:53pm

re: #129 Sharmuta

Don't forget a lamp.

135 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:51:00pm

re: #114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've come a long way on Global Warming in the past six months (I used to have a snarky "Al Gore" avatar). I read "State of Fear", and while the science has gone the way of the T-Rex, another large part of his book was about the hypocrisy that is also a large part of the issue.

Greg Craven (thanks for finding that, Charles!) pretty much sums it up for me.

What can I do? I can't drive less (work, ugh). I don't have a factory that I can clean up. But, I can make some pretty easy personal decisions...

1. Drink less bottled water (never drank much to begin with) (see "Scam")
2. Try to buy things that are packaged responsibly.
3. Use less water.
4. Curb my personal energy use.
5. Not eat animals (huge pollution contribution there)

But, I ain't gonna sit around and argue about it.

6. Since you drive a lot, why don't you pick up some fresh roadkill once in a while, and enjoy a nice environmentally friendly snack?
7. Use voice recognition software to reduce keyboarding energy consumption.

136 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:51:30pm

re: #129 Sharmuta

You and me and an LGF calendar, and that's all I need. And this ashtray.

And this thermos! And that's all I need!!!

137 Bloodnok  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:52:12pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

Could you explain that so I can properly ream you for it? Can one post on a blog and be "non-internet"? How old is "so old"?

Apparently anyone who has been at LGF longer than the 8 days he/she has been here.

/that was snark, so it's part of a good discussion

138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:52:52pm

re: #136 Sharmuta

And this thermos! And that's all I need!!!

I need that!

139 cliffster  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:53:25pm

That's what's wrong with LGF. Just a bunch of old technophobes.

140 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:54:00pm

re: #135 Spare O'Lake

6. Since you drive a lot, why don't you pick up some fresh roadkill once in a while, and enjoy a nice environmentally friendly snack?
7. Use voice recognition software to reduce keyboarding energy consumption.

pssst vegetarian... no road kill snacks.

141 ryannon  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:54:04pm

re: #129 Sharmuta

You and me and an LGF calendar, and that's all I need. And this ashtray.

This is my keyboard. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

142 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:54:44pm

re: #134 jaunte

Don't forget a lamp.

And that's all I need!

143 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:55:23pm

re: #122 windsagio

really?

REALLY?

I am literally at a loss.

Heres a hint. He probably just thinks Michael Chrichton was a total douche, don't take other peoples posts so seriously.

I swear (and I'm gonna get reamed out for this) alot of the people on here are so old and non-internet. Snark isn't the opposite of good discussion. Old talking points and outright ignoring people are.

No downding, no reaming, but "prepare for the frowning of your life."

144 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:55:32pm

re: #122 windsagio

Did the old people scare you away?

145 cliffster  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:55:38pm

re: #142 Sharmuta

And that's all I need!

Sharm, I'd love you if you were the color of a baboon's ass

146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:55:49pm

re: #140 brookly red

pssst vegetarian... no road kill snacks.

I ran over a rutabaga once.

147 Girth  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:55:49pm

re: #121 Aceofwhat?

OT, but interesting editorial in the WSJ today that sums up a lot of what a lot of us have been saying lately...GOP needs to sack the stupid.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Good read, thanks.

148 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:55:56pm

re: #143 BruceKelly

No downding, no reaming, but "prepare for the frowning of your life."

Fuck it, I downdinged him/her/it.

149 Racer X  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:57:47pm

re: #121 Aceofwhat?

OT, but interesting editorial in the WSJ today that sums up a lot of what a lot of us have been saying lately...GOP needs to sack the stupid.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, for instance, wants to embrace "Sam's Club" Republicans. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee pitched himself in 2008 as the guy who "looks like your co-worker, not your boss." Even Mitt Romney blasted "Eastern elites." And of course there's Sarah Palin, whose entire brand is anti-intellectual.

Oh snap!

150 windsagio  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:58:10pm

re: #124 Walter L. Newton

'alot' isn't everyone. Altho (watch out, joke coming!) I suspect that you're old :p


Its not posting on a blog obviously, its confusing 'niceness' with 'civility', and its this 'damn kids' attitude people get.

Its like there was that callback to a thread last night (when I was at work) and I saw it. I enjoy WindUpBirds post, and the whole 'I don't get you're humor, you're evil!' vibe on a poster I enjoy kinda got to me. Theres a definite generation gap on this blog, and altho' its usually interesting, today its just kinda annoying.

the 'non-internet' thing is a little harder to explain. Essentially I'm talking about the odd thin-skinnedness of people here. LGF is well-moderated and the usual trolling and such that goes on is kept out. It makes it enjoyable, instead of awful. That being said, people... I dunno, maybe I should withdraw that part. Its a strange feeling that I can't define well.

re: #137 Bloodnok

PS: Thats lame sauce. I know its done all the time, but being here a long time (one might say... old :p) doesn't make you right. Newer people (such as myself) have to adapt to the culture, certainly but our newness isn't a get-out-of-jail free card for anyone whose just been posting here since 2004.

151 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:59:15pm

re: #126 Sharmuta

I've always thought conserving was a big part of being a conservative. You should see what I can do to a toothpaste tube.

152 Racer X  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:59:26pm

re: #121 Aceofwhat?

OT, but interesting editorial in the WSJ today that sums up a lot of what a lot of us have been saying lately...GOP needs to sack the stupid.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Excellent article - thread worthy.

153 Bloodnok  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:00:03pm

re: #150 windsagio

'alot' isn't everyone. Altho (watch out, joke coming!) I suspect that you're old :p

Its not posting on a blog obviously, its confusing 'niceness' with 'civility', and its this 'damn kids' attitude people get.

Its like there was that callback to a thread last night (when I was at work) and I saw it. I enjoy WindUpBirds post, and the whole 'I don't get you're humor, you're evil!' vibe on a poster I enjoy kinda got to me. Theres a definite generation gap on this blog, and altho' its usually interesting, today its just kinda annoying.

the 'non-internet' thing is a little harder to explain. Essentially I'm talking about the odd thin-skinnedness of people here. LGF is well-moderated and the usual trolling and such that goes on is kept out. It makes it enjoyable, instead of awful. That being said, people... I dunno, maybe I should withdraw that part. Its a strange feeling that I can't define well.

re: #137 Bloodnok

PS: Thats lame sauce. I know its done all the time, but being here a long time (one might say... old :p) doesn't make you right. Newer people (such as myself) have to adapt to the culture, certainly but our newness isn't a get-out-of-jail free card for anyone whose just been posting here since 2004.

Shock and horror! Windsagio does not understand teh snark when it's aimed at him/her!

154 Sharmuta  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:00:40pm

re: #151 BruceKelly

I've always thought conserving was a big part of being a conservative. You should see what I can do to a toothpaste tube.

Do you roll the end and pin it with a binder clip?

155 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:01:06pm

re: #103 robdouth

Credibility matters. Crichton is not credible. Credibility is often a theme on this blog! You can post a big long whingy concern troll paragraph weeping about what I said, but my point stands. If you call your critics child molesters in your fiction, you have lost credibility.

157 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:01:49pm

re: #140 brookly red

pssst vegetarian... no road kill snacks.

The thing I love most about vegetarians is that they help keep down the price of the delectable cuts of delicious, blood-red meat.
BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ

158 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:01:58pm

re: #131 ryannon

We all move to Rhode Island.

And then AGW drowns us all.

159 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:02:04pm

re: #129 Sharmuta

You and me and an LGF calendar, and that's all I need. And this ashtray.

... and this TV remote controller ...

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:02:56pm

re: #139 cliffster

That's what's wrong with LGF. Just a bunch of old technophobes.

"These computers. They frighten and confuse me."
-Unfrozen Caveman Lizard

161 windsagio  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:03:18pm

re: #153 Bloodnok

Shock and horror! Windsagio does not understand teh snark when it's aimed at him/her!

Well help a brother out, then! What I saw was an attempt to shut me down (and to win points with the conformation bias) thinly disguised as a joke.

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:03:50pm

re: #145 cliffster

Sharm, I'd love you if you were the color of a baboon's ass

(psst. she kind of is.)

163 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:04:25pm

re: #138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm picking out a thermos for youuu.

164 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:04:59pm

re: #157 Spare O'Lake

The thing I love most about vegetarians is that they help keep down the price of the delectable cuts of delicious, blood-red meat.
BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ

updinged. i only eat vegetables because i understand that technically, they are reqired for healthy functioning. but i live for meat.

165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:06:19pm

re: #163 BruceKelly

I'm picking out a thermos for youuu. Not an ordinary Thermos for you. But the extra best Thermos that you can buy, with vinyl and stripes and a cup built right in.

BIG FINISH!

166 Bloodnok  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:07:08pm

re: #161 windsagio

Well help a brother out, then! What I saw was an attempt to shut me down (and to win points with the conformation bias) thinly disguised as a joke.

Grow thicker skin. That's my advice. If you feel confident enough to lob out a blanket statement about the regular posters here you ought to be able to take a jab in return.

And I'm not particularly worried about "winning points" with people here.

167 cliffster  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:07:34pm

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(psst. she kind of is.)

I'm going to ponder that on my drive home. Bye bye all.

168 Girth  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:07:39pm

re: #164 Aceofwhat?

updinged. i only eat vegetables because i understand that technically, they are reqired for healthy functioning. but i live for meat.

I am a member of P.E.T.A.

People Eating Tasty Animals

For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat three.

169 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:07:47pm

Oh No, Weasels Ripped My Flesh

Youtube Video

I think your probably out to lunch!!!

170 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:08:17pm

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"These computers. They frighten and confuse me."
-Unfrozen Caveman Lizard

it's never a bad time for unfrozen cavemen jokes. We miss you, Phil

I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and later got thawed out by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW.. and run off into the hills, or wherever.. Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.

171 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:08:38pm

re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BIG FINISH!

A Dijon thermos.

172 Teh Flowah  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:08:51pm
Zippy the Pinhead decided to smear me by pointing out that I used to be a “skeptic” (in actuality, I was uninformed and misled by the propagandists

What's the difference between being an AGW skeptic and being uninformed/misled by the propagandists?

Lip...stick?

Some people have the ability to admit when they were wrong. Others decide that once they make a decision, no amount of scientific evidence will change their mind.

173 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:09:43pm

re: #139 cliffster

That's what's wrong with LGF. Just a bunch of old technophobes.

This computer, oy! Took me forever to figure out which end to blow into.

174 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:10:12pm

re: #168 Girth

I am a member of P.E.T.A.

People Eating Tasty Animals

For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat three.

If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of food?

175 Irenicum  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:10:18pm

re: #122 windsagio

Get off my damn lawn ya stupid kid! (There, does that make you feel better?)

176 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:11:35pm

re: #154 Sharmuta

Do you roll the end and pin it with a binder clip?

I use my toothbrush like a rolling pin, and I have very strong hands.

177 windsagio  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:11:55pm

re: #166 Bloodnok

well this is getting terribly meta, so we might want to shut it down. Hows this tho' don't worry about offending me or anyone.

Also, its a terrible argument and should in any real world weaken your position to appeal to seniority here. It bugs me personally because I see people use it all the time to support insupportable positions.

~~~

re: #175 Irenicum

Yes it does! Man I don't know whats into me today, it doesn't say on my calendar

December 14: Insult an entire internet community

178 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:11:59pm

re: #173 The Sanity Inspector

This computer, oy! Took me forever to figure out which end to blow into.

But shofar it's working out for you, huh?

179 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:12:08pm

re: #122 windsagio

really?

REALLY?

I am literally at a loss.

Heres a hint. He probably just thinks Michael Chrichton was a total douche, don't take other peoples posts so seriously.

I swear (and I'm gonna get reamed out for this) alot of the people on here are so old and non-internet. Snark isn't the opposite of good discussion. Old talking points and outright ignoring people are.

You whippersnapper. I was programming mainframes when you were crapping in Pampers.

180 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:14:57pm

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

But shofar it's working out for you, huh?

Sho far sho good?

182 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:15:40pm

re: #157 Spare O'Lake

The thing I love most about vegetarians is that they help keep down the price of the delectable cuts of delicious, blood-red meat.
BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ BBQ

you do realize that there are a growing number of places that have banned BBQs because of the emissions... juss sayin

183 Bloodnok  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:16:41pm

re: #177 windsagio

well this is getting terribly meta, so we might want to shut it down. Hows this tho' don't worry about offending me or anyone.

Also, its a terrible argument and should in any real world weaken your position to appeal to seniority here. It bugs me personally because I see people use it all the time to support insupportable positions.

~~~

re: #175 Irenicum

Yes it does! Man I don't know whats into me today, it doesn't say on my calendar

You make one post saying you expect to get reamed for a statement and as soon as one piece of snark gets sent back in return you start whining about being shut down. I really don't know what you're talking about anymore so I'm going to go stand over there.

184 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:16:56pm

re: #180 Spare O'Lake

Sho far sho good?

Absholutely. By the way, thish ish great scotch...

185 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:17:47pm

re: #179 Alouette

You whippersnapper. I was programming mainframes when you were crapping in Pampers.

You had Pampers!?

186 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:18:06pm

re: #177 windsagio

well this is getting terribly meta, so we might want to shut it down. Hows this tho' don't worry about offending me or anyone.

Also, its a terrible argument and should in any real world weaken your position to appeal to seniority here. It bugs me personally because I see people use it all the time to support insupportable positions.

A lot of people who were once "seniors" here were teh banz0r when it was apparent that they were stalkeriffic or closet racists. I've read posters who I've liked who have been here for years, and I've read posters who I've liked who have been here a month. Obdicut is a new guy, and he's rocking my socks off.

/going to go laugh at kids in a cancer ward because there are heavy metal songs on my iPod

187 Irenicum  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:18:15pm

re: #169 Jeff In Ohio

I am so telling my brother I just listened to this. He'll freak! Zappa was amazing!

188 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:18:37pm

re: #179 Alouette

You whippersnapper. I was programming mainframes when you were crapping in Pampers.

These kids today, with their high speed mobile wireless, snort! Why, in my day we had to walk clear across campus to the computer lab, and wait in line for a DOS 1.0 machine, tiny amber screen, hooked up to a 2400 baud modem. And we were damned glad to have it! And when we got an Apple Lisa, well good god in heaven...!!!
/geezer

189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:18:44pm

Tell y'all what. When I get home (out of town) gonna look into some of my stuff. I'll cite some information for ya about how much environmental damage is done by the industry that farms animals.

Now, not why I'm a veggie and all, but, there isn't an environmentally friendly way to eat farmed animals.

If AGW means something to you, then this is not an issue you can ignore.

191 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:19:15pm

re: #183 Bloodnok

You make one post saying you expect to get reamed for a statement and as soon as one piece of snark gets sent back in return you start whining about being shut down. I really don't know what you're talking about anymore so I'm going to go stand over there.

Boy are you missing the point!

192 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:19:46pm

re: #182 brookly red

you do realize that there are a growing number of places that have banned BBQs because of the emissions... juss sayin

That's why I've cut back to only 48 BBQ's.
Give me BBQ or give me...canned creamed corn.

193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:23:01pm

re: #192 Spare O'Lake

That's why I've cut back to only 48 BBQ's.
Give me BBQ or give me...canned creamed corn.

Speaking of emissions... vegetarians fart more.

194 tradewind  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:24:02pm

re: #182 brookly red
Yes, but then again, that just proves that Grinches do exist.////

195 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:24:40pm

re: #182 brookly red

Oh noes! First they came for the smokehouses and I said nothing. Then they came for the BBQ pits and I remained quiet. Then they took away the charcoal briquettes and were met with silence from me.

And when they came to take away my propane and proance accessories, there was nobody left to protest.

196 Neutral President  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:24:49pm

re: #179 Alouette

You whippersnapper. I was programming mainframes when you were crapping in Pampers.

The iBabbage?

/ducks

197 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:25:20pm

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not surprised.....more opportunity to work beans into one's diet.

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:26:02pm

re: #185 BruceKelly

You had Pampers!?

I had used Pampers! And I was glad!

199 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:27:21pm

re: #195 Fenway_Nation

Oh noes! First they came for the smokehouses and I said nothing. Then they came for the BBQ pits and I remained quiet. Then they took away the charcoal briquettes and were met with silence from me.

And when they came to take away my propane and proance accessories, there was nobody left to protest.

all your briquettes are belong to us...

200 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:28:24pm

re: #187 Irenicum

I am so telling my brother I just listened to this. He'll freak! Zappa was amazing!

I have a terrible confession. A close friend would invite me every year to go see Zappa at the Palladium in NYC on Halloween, and every year, till I moved out of NJ, I had an excuse why I couldn't go. I started collecting Zappa vinyl in the late 90's as penance and its like a kind of erotic self flagellation now to spin any. What a doofus I was, it so incredible to listen to! (and occasionally annoying, ahem...Flo and Eddie.)

201 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:29:03pm

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of emissions... vegetarians fart more.

But they don't smell as bad.

202 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:29:20pm

re: #190 Charles

Please see:
Roger Pielke, Jr.
Roger Pielke Sr. Attacks Messenger, Injures Self

And lots more at ScienceBlogs.

Pielke's credibility on global warming is a big round zero.

I read over the first two links. There is a lot of argumentation going on, on multiple levels, and links and links, including some stuff that is semi-supportive of him.

So, I've bookmarked the links and there is a bit of further reading needed. I can't just agree or disagree without taking a bit more time on this.

Thanks for the links.

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:29:50pm

re: #201 BruceKelly

But they don't smell as bad.

Speak fer yerself.

204 Racer X  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:30:01pm

re: #179 Alouette

You whippersnapper. I was programming mainframes when you were crapping in Pampers.

The really funny part?

That young whippersnapper will be writing an iPhone app that will tell your nurse when you've crapped in your Pampers.

205 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:30:04pm

re: #176 BruceKelly

I use my toothbrush like a rolling pin, and I have very strong hands.

So did your pie crust have any cavities?

206 What, me worry?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:30:46pm

re: #42 ArchangelMichael

Douche 2.0: The Blogravesty headline: Chuckles the Lizard King using his SFZ sockpuppet all but admits to Meth use!

800,000 retweets in the Twitter kookosphere to follow...

/is this necessary?

Santa is going to bring them a lump of coal for Christmas.

207 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:31:21pm

re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speak fer yerself.

as always

208 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:31:31pm

re: #204 Racer X

The really funny part?

That young whippersnapper will be writing an iPhone app that will tell your nurse when you've crapped in your Pampers.

Great. ANOTHER alarm for my nurse to ignore!

209 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:31:43pm

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tell y'all what. When I get home (out of town) gonna look into some of my stuff. I'll cite some information for ya about how much environmental damage is done by the industry that farms animals.

Now, not why I'm a veggie and all, but, there isn't an environmentally friendly way to eat farmed animals.

If AGW means something to you, then this is not an issue you can ignore.

how uhhh, inconvenient...

210 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:31:59pm

re: #65 philosophus invidius

I guess that blog author thinks that imperviousness to newly discovered factual data is an intellectual virtue.

Regarding the link to the updated post: if one wanted to be extremely charitable to this guy (which is hardly deserved), one might think that he was confused about the "update" appended to the bottom of the post since it does not have a time stamp.

Weasel Zippers is a freak. A freak of long standing. I will concede that he is a freak with longstanding issues with reading comprehension, so it isn't implausible that he is too stupid to understand Charles' posts, but he was already slamming LGF weeks ago, and employing homophobic language about Charles then. (no link)

WZ is a freak.

211 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:32:15pm

re: #205 Spare O'Lake

So did your pie crust have any cavities?

Only because I put them there.

212 Racer X  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:32:19pm

re: #208 sattv4u2

Great. ANOTHER alarm for my nurse to ignore!

iCrapped.

213 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:32:45pm

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

T
[snip]
Now, not why I'm a veggie and all, but, there isn't an environmentally friendly way to eat farmed animals.
[snip]

Yea, RAW!

214 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:32:46pm

re: #212 Racer X

iCrapped.

and I can't get up!

215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:33:03pm

Gonna have some Italian... bbiab

216 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:33:21pm

re: #210 iceweasel

Weasel Zippers
Ice Weasel

other sode of the family tree!?!?

//

217 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:33:57pm

re: #215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gonna have some Italian... bbiab

I taint Italian if there's no beef, chicken or pork (sausage) in it

218 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:34:06pm

re: #213 Walter L. Newton

Yea, RAW!


but not before they produce 3 times their weight in farts...

219 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:35:07pm

re: #204 Racer X

Heh...my wife works in diaper R&D, ah, the shit that goes on!! I had a chance to talk with upper management once and pitched vermidiapers ("biodegradable diapers that house red meal warms to eat the shit" was my 'elevator pitch'). I'm not allowed at work parties anymore.

220 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:35:29pm

re: #216 sattv4u2

Weasel Zippers
Ice Weasel

other sode of the family tree!?!?

//

SIDE even,,, (damn Wal Mart thumbs!)

221 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:36:12pm

re: #200 Jeff In Ohio

That's gotta hurt. Want some consolation lyrics?

Give me
Your dirty love
Like some tacky little pamphlet
In your daddy's bottom drawer

222 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:36:45pm

re: #219 Jeff In Ohio

Heh...my wife works in diaper R&D

Removal and Disposal?

223 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:36:49pm

re: #219 Jeff In Ohio

Heh...my wife works in diaper R&D, ah, the shit that goes on!! I had a chance to talk with upper management once and pitched vermidiapers ("biodegradable diapers that house red meal warms to eat the shit" was my 'elevator pitch'). I'm not allowed at work parties anymore.

Nanotechnology could do the same thing easy.

224 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:37:44pm

re: #221 Aceofwhat?

Zappa and diapers merge.

225 Fenway_Nation  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:37:49pm

re: #223 Walter L. Newton

Nanotechnology could do the same thing easy.

It could even help me in starting up a microbrewery.

226 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:38:10pm

re: #223 Walter L. Newton

Nanotechnology could do the same thing easy.

So do landfills!

227 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:38:14pm

re: #219 Jeff In Ohio

That's a great idea!

228 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:38:33pm

re: #223 Walter L. Newton

Tiny robots can nourish my garden with their excrement?

229 Irenicum  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:38:45pm

re: #200 Jeff In Ohio

Just don't eat the yellow snow!

230 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:39:35pm

re: #224 Jeff In Ohio

Zappa and diapers merge.

don't fight the magic

231 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:40:01pm

re: #200 Jeff In Ohio

I have a terrible confession. A close friend would invite me every year to go see Zappa at the Palladium in NYC on Halloween, and every year, till I moved out of NJ, I had an excuse why I couldn't go. I started collecting Zappa vinyl in the late 90's as penance and its like a kind of erotic self flagellation now to spin any. What a doofus I was, it so incredible to listen to! (and occasionally annoying, ahem...Flo and Eddie.)

Little Feats, now retired, legendary road manager, Denny Jones was a room mate with Flo in the early days and managed them later....he had some great yarns about those guys, and Zappa and many others in the business...whenever Denny got a bit of rare downtime he'd tell us stories

232 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:40:51pm

re: #223 Walter L. Newton

Nanotechnology could do the same thing easy.

/yes but in early trials the lil robots couldn't tell where the pooh ends & the baby starts... no good.

233 Irenicum  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:41:10pm

re: #214 sattv4u2

There's Viagra for that. Oh, I thought you said I can't get it up. Sorry!

234 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:42:25pm

re: #216 sattv4u2

Weasel Zippers
Ice Weasel

other sode of the family tree!?!?

//

That would be the side that my side would repudiate, yes.

//

S'up, sattv?

235 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:42:32pm

re: #229 Irenicum

Just don't eat the yellow snow!

Joke from right when the Clinton/ Lewinsky mess was going on

Secret Service agent tells Clinton
"Mr. President, we have some disturbing news. Outside in the Rose Garden in the snow we found, written in urine BILL CLINTON SUCKS"
Clinton
"Do we know who did it"
Agent
"Well, we tested the urine and it's Vice President Gores, but thats not the end of it"
Clinton
"What do you mean"
Agent
"Well , it's Hillarys handwriting"

236 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:43:08pm

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tell y'all what. When I get home (out of town) gonna look into some of my stuff. I'll cite some information for ya about how much environmental damage is done by the industry that farms animals.

Now, not why I'm a veggie and all, but, there isn't an environmentally friendly way to eat farmed animals.

If AGW means something to you, then this is not an issue you can ignore.

If we can split the atom, we can split a side of beef.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."

G.B. Shaw

237 Irenicum  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:43:15pm

re: #219 Jeff In Ohio

Wasn't there an SNL skit about edible diapers recently? Capital EWWW!

238 What, me worry?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:44:01pm

re: #200 Jeff In Ohio

I have a terrible confession. A close friend would invite me every year to go see Zappa at the Palladium in NYC on Halloween, and every year, till I moved out of NJ, I had an excuse why I couldn't go. I started collecting Zappa vinyl in the late 90's as penance and its like a kind of erotic self flagellation now to spin any. What a doofus I was, it so incredible to listen to! (and occasionally annoying, ahem...Flo and Eddie.)

hehe When I went off to sleep away camp (1976), my brother made me a mixed tape with this

Youtube Video

I played it all summer!

I never saw Zappa either :(

239 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:44:05pm

re: #234 iceweasel

how was the pub?

240 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:44:25pm

re: #231 albusteve

Sweet, I love first hand rock and roll stories. The Road Mangler wandered into a bar I was playing in in Nashville a few years ago. Funny guy, he was hard to compete with.

241 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:44:41pm

re: #234 iceweasel

That would be the side that my side would repudiate, yes.

//

S'up, sattv?

Not much. Tired, achy (read ,,, OLD)

Got the last of the Christmas lights up on the house. Every year after Christmas I go out and buy a few more displays, on sale. It's getting to the point that I think next year I'm going to hire one of those companys that does the install

242 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:44:42pm

America's obsession for cheap beef is enormously destructive to the land and to the air...it is an almost insane way to provide protein...it should be a huge issue, but beef and fast food addiction is hard to break, therefore it will get little attention...imo

243 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:45:02pm

re: #236 Aceofwhat?

If we can split the atom, we can split a side of beef.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."

G.B. Shaw


/hey I may be unreasonable, but I ain't no stinkin progressive...

244 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:45:27pm

re: #185 BruceKelly

You had Pampers!?

They were these expensive new-fangled things when I was a'diaperin' my young'uns. I used good old Dy-Dee service.

245 Neutral President  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:45:53pm

re: #223 Walter L. Newton

Nanotechnology could do the same thing easy.

Not sure if changing a load of brown goo into grey goo is much of an improvement.

246 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:46:51pm

re: #242 albusteve

America's obsession for cheap beef is enormously destructive to the land and to the air...it is an almost insane way to provide protein...it should be a huge issue, but beef and fast food addiction is hard to break, therefore it will get little attention...imo

Same thing with cheap sex.

247 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:47:06pm

re: #245 ArchangelMichael

Not sure if changing a load of brown goo into grey goo is much of an improvement.

Toner War.

248 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:48:08pm

re: #240 Jeff In Ohio

Sweet, I love first hand rock and roll stories. The Road Mangler wandered into a bar I was playing in in Nashville a few years ago. Funny guy, he was hard to compete with.

Denny Jones grew up in LA and knew everybody...he road managed several bands and was always in the thick of it...and he took care of premier fans....I could get into any Little Feat gig without a ticket no matter where, and always got a back stage pass....always, thanks to Denny

249 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:48:10pm

re: #246 Walter L. Newton

Same thing with cheap sex.

don't worry they have a sex tax coming soon...

250 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:48:10pm

re: #243 brookly red

/hey I may be unreasonable, but I ain't no stinkin progressive...

i would never insult you thus...

251 political lunatic  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:48:29pm

Charles, have you ever thought about going into Witness Protection? If these crazies ever find out exactly where you live, you're bound to get mailed some death threats at the minimum.

252 ryannon  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:48:57pm

re: #187 Irenicum

I am so telling my brother I just listened to this. He'll freak! Zappa was amazing!

Moment of Glory Moment:

He actually gave me a job doing artist and media relations back in the day.
He could be genuinely amazing on stage, but when off it, he was just like most people - only somewhat smarter and focused.

At any rate, the only time I actually saw him levitating (figuratively speaking) was in concert.

As for your bro freaking, I dunno.

Like I say, Mr. Zappa was not all he seemed to be. The stage persona was just that - a persona.

/self-aggrandizement mode off

253 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:49:35pm

How about Zappa and a bicycle?

Youtube Video

The bicycle doesn't actually appear until Part 2, but if you like Steve Allen (hi, old farts!), start with this one.

You'll have to fetch parts 2, 3, and 4 yourself.

254 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:50:25pm

re: #249 brookly red

don't worry they have a sex tax coming soon...

ha!...was working on that line....good one

255 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:50:30pm

re: #242 albusteve

America's obsession for cheap beef is enormously destructive to the land and to the air...it is an almost insane way to provide protein...it should be a huge issue, but beef and fast food addiction is hard to break, therefore it will get little attention...imo

well as soon as they propose a green tax on beef things will really get interesting...

256 Aceofwhat?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:50:35pm

re: #249 brookly red

don't worry they have a sex tax coming soon...

hope it's not progressive, otherwise those who have the most will pay more than their fair share...

257 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:50:39pm

re: #249 brookly red

don't worry they have a sex tax coming soon...

Teenager at the pharmacy

"How much are these condoms?"
Clerk
"$10.00"
Ten
"Great. I have exactly $10.00"
Cerk
"Don't forget the tax"
Teen
"Oh ,,, I was wondering how they stayed on!"

258 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:51:03pm

re: #238 marjoriemoon

Roxy and Elsewhere (and Weasels Ripped My Flesh) are probably my Zappa faves. Your brother was extra nice. Best I got from my sister was the first Carpenter's LP. I didn't really appreciated the depth of arrangements and Karen's incredible voice and drumming till much much much much much (like 20 years) later.

259 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:52:00pm

re: #245 ArchangelMichael

Not sure if changing a load of brown goo into grey goo is much of an improvement.

Since someone mentioned nanotechnology (it was me, wasn't it), just a recommendation from me. I am still on my quest of reading Neal Stephenson novels (have read Cryptonomicon and the 3 book Baroque Cycle) and I am now into "The Diamond Age."

Interesting book based on nanotechnology, commerce, media and neo-cultures collected into "phyles" (tribes) such as New Victorians, New Maoists etc., a hundred years in the future, and a children's interactive book that gets into the hands of a street urchin.

I like it. (Please, I'm not done with it, no spoilers).

260 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:52:07pm

re: #254 albusteve

ha!...was working on that line...good one

I think it will be called the Wood's Law... just a guess

261 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:52:46pm

re: #252 ryannon

Moment of Glory Moment:

He actually gave me a job doing artist and media relations back in the day.
He could be genuinely amazing on stage, but when off it, he was just like most people - only somewhat smarter and focused.

At any rate, the only time I actually saw him levitating (figuratively speaking) was in concert.

As for your bro freaking, I dunno.

Like I say, Mr. Zappa was not all he seemed to be. The stage persona was just that - a persona.

/self-aggrandizement mode off

Zappa was ofter a huge asshole and very difficult to get along with...he pissed off alot of people because he was so overbearing and judgmental...anyway I for one consider him enormously over rated

262 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:52:47pm

re: #248 albusteve

Fantastic. I had the opportunity to see Little Feat on the Waiting For Columbus tour. Rocked my socks.

263 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:53:36pm

re: #255 brookly red

well as soon as they propose a green tax on beef things will really get interesting...

one step at a time comrade

264 What, me worry?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:53:36pm

OMG the creator of Conservapedia is on Colbert!

265 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:53:51pm

re: #254 albusteve

ha!...was working on that line...good one

Is a porn film called Tiger's Wood" far behind?

266 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:54:49pm

re: #242 albusteve

America's obsession for cheap beef is enormously destructive to the land and to the air...it is an almost insane way to provide protein...it should be a huge issue, but beef and fast food addiction is hard to break, therefore it will get little attention...imo

No oil, no beef... what are we going to do with all those Texans? They can be an onery lot and we can't have them all sittin' around doin' nothing.

Idle hands and all...

267 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:55:13pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

Is a porn film called Tiger's Wood" far behind?

too late

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

268 ryannon  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:55:33pm

re: #261 albusteve

Zappa was ofter a huge asshole and very difficult to get along with...he pissed off alot of people because he was so overbearing and judgmental...anyway I for one consider him enormously over rated

Just like most of us.

For the rest, I'm a lot richer (figuratively) for having known him.

269 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:55:34pm

re: #259 Walter L. Newton

Since someone mentioned nanotechnology (it was me, wasn't it), just a recommendation from me. I am still on my quest of reading Neal Stephenson novels (have read Cryptonomicon and the 3 book Baroque Cycle) and I am now into "The Diamond Age."

Interesting book based on nanotechnology, commerce, media and neo-cultures collected into "phyles" (tribes) such as New Victorians, New Maoists etc., a hundred years in the future, and a children's interactive book that gets into the hands of a street urchin.

I like it. (Please, I'm not done with it, no spoilers).

Which is available through...

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

270 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:56:13pm

re: #263 albusteve

one step at a time comrade

don't think for a second that it is not coming.

271 What, me worry?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:57:23pm

re: #261 albusteve

Zappa was ofter a huge asshole and very difficult to get along with...he pissed off alot of people because he was so overbearing and judgmental...anyway I for one consider him enormously over rated

Zappa was his own guy. He didn't follow the beat of a different drummer, he WAS the different drummer. Love him or hate him, there are few people like that.

272 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:58:34pm

re: #262 Jeff In Ohio

Fantastic. I had the opportunity to see Little Feat on the Waiting For Columbus tour. Rocked my socks.

the greatest double live record ever, hands down...I saw the reunion 25th anniversary gig at the Lisner in Georgetown where some of the original was recorded...that was a hell of a party amigo

273 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:59:15pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

Is a porn film called Tiger's Wood" far behind?

already in production I'd wager

274 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:59:40pm

re: #256 Aceofwhat?

hope it's not progressive, otherwise those who have the most will pay more than their fair share...

Cap and Trade? I'm not havin' none so maybe I can sell my credits, or would that be illegal...? Just thinking out-loud.

275 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:59:55pm

re: #273 albusteve

already in production I'd wager

see #267

276 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:01:49pm

re: #271 marjoriemoon

Zappa was his own guy. He didn't follow the beat of a different drummer, he WAS the different drummer. Love him or hate him, there are few people like that.

his music was more theater...I saw him a couple of times and was unimpressed, same with the Grateful Dead...most of their live gigs were boring...the ones I saw

277 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:02:46pm

re: #275 sattv4u2

see #267

there you have it...I'm a bit behind here

278 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:03:12pm

THis just in. Warmer here tonight, so far. We are at 23 (f). Gee, I may not even need socks in bed tonight. Wait, I just checked, going down to 14 before morning... nippy.

279 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:03:38pm

re: #274 BruceKelly

Cap and Trade? I'm not havin' none so maybe I can sell my credits, or would that be illegal...? Just thinking out-loud.

no you will still be charged base rate...

280 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:04:35pm

I just stumbled across a pre-eminent father-son Israeli astrophysicist skeptic tag team. I'm sure some of you are already familiar with them.
Shows me you don't HAVE to be stupid to be a denier...in fact you can be downright brilliant. Minority view indeed, but not shabbily held.
Prof. Nir Shaviv...[Link: www.sciencebits.com...]
Prof. Giora Shaviv...[Link: www.thejc.com...]

281 ryannon  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:05:57pm

re: #271 marjoriemoon

Zappa was his own guy. He didn't follow the beat of a different drummer, he WAS the different drummer. Love him or hate him, there are few people like that.

He and Don Van Vleet (aka Captain Beefheart) were two SoCal paleo-mutants. The real thing, before it got to be cool to be a freak. Must have had something to do with the radiation levels out in Lancaster.

282 ryannon  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:08:52pm

re: #276 albusteve

his music was more theater...I saw him a couple of times and was unimpressed, same with the Grateful Dead...most of their live gigs were boring...the ones I saw

I always felt that it took the Dead a few hours just to get going - but once they did, I could listen to them all night long.

283 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:09:21pm

re: #239 Aceofwhat?

how was the pub?

Fucking gutttered - excessive consumption in a short period of time (4 pints did us in) of Stella Artois. Other than that, we had a lovely night in a private snook in an old art nouveau pub in old Xxxley town, in Xxxshire.

PS this was Jimmah,posting via iceweasels account--snuggling on the couch and sharing a laptop.

284 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:15:01pm

re: #261 albusteve

Zappa was ofter a huge asshole and very difficult to get along with...he pissed off alot of people because he was so overbearing and judgmental...anyway I for one consider him enormously over rated

Yeah but he was good at being an asshole and difficult to get along with. He had it down to an art form. The man just didn't give a fuck.

285 What, me worry?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:16:00pm

re: #276 albusteve

his music was more theater...I saw him a couple of times and was unimpressed, same with the Grateful Dead...most of their live gigs were boring...the ones I saw

Sure you were in the right from of mind??

I almost got trampled at an Aerosmith concert. Outdoor concert in a football stadium (Orange Bowl) with Journey, Sammy Hagar, some others. Battle of the Bands thing. We were up front when the crowd starting pushing in from behind. The security upfront were keeping people away by, get this, squirting water at us with firehoses. So between the jam backward and the jam forward, I got literally lifted up in the crowd, out of my shoes and carried off. I'll never forget that. Luckily I landed in a heap outside the crowd, minus my shoes.

And that's when Joe Perry had already left anyway. Tyler & Co. were so freakin stoned, they couldn't sing or play. It was very disappointing.

286 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:16:33pm

re: #282 ryannon

I always felt that it took the Dead a few hours just to get going - but once they did, I could listen to them all night long.

funny how many people say that...I just wonder if they really believe it

287 ryannon  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:16:37pm

re: #283 iceweasel

Fucking gutttered - excessive consumption in a short period of time (4 pints did us in) of Stella Artois. Other than that, we had a lovely night in a private snook in an old art nouveau pub in old Xxxley town, in Xxxshire.

PS this was Jimmah,posting via iceweasels account--snuggling on the couch and sharing a laptop.

(In Marlon Brando "Streetcar" voice): Stella?

And what, may I ask, is wrong with local talent such as the inimitable Douglas Scotch Ale?

[Link: beeradvocate.com...]

288 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:17:50pm

re: #242 albusteve

America's obsession for cheap beef is enormously destructive to the land and to the air...it is an almost insane way to provide protein...it should be a huge issue, but beef and fast food addiction is hard to break, therefore it will get little attention...imo

It's destructive mainly because of the greed of the large producers and because there are too many mouths to feed.

289 ryannon  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:18:18pm

re: #286 albusteve

funny how many people say that...I just wonder if they really believe it

Hmm.

Well, let's just say that I do.

290 brookly red  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:18:23pm

re: #286 albusteve

funny how many people say that...I just wonder if they really believe it

believe it? shit I wonder if they can really remember it...

291 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:19:18pm

re: #285 marjoriemoon

Sure you were in the right from of mind??

I almost got trampled at an Aerosmith concert. Outdoor concert in a football stadium (Orange Bowl) with Journey, Sammy Hagar, some others. Battle of the Bands thing. We were up front when the crowd starting pushing in from behind. The security upfront were keeping people away by, get this, squirting water at us with firehoses. So between the jam backward and the jam forward, I got literally lifted up in the crowd, out of my shoes and carried off. I'll never forget that. Luckily I landed in a heap outside the crowd, minus my shoes.

And that's when Joe Perry had already left anyway. Tyler & Co. were so freakin stoned, they couldn't sing or play. It was very disappointing.

I don't do shows like that...I've seen a few arena shows but they were worth it

292 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:20:42pm

re: #251 political lunatic

Charles, have you ever thought about going into Witness Protection? If these crazies ever find out exactly where you live, you're bound to get mailed some death threats at the minimum.

Already happened. Nazi Bill White IIRC-- google.

This is iceweasel again-- jimmah is making tea.

BTW, Jimmah and I both wrote some hearts with our initials in them tonight in various public places, and some pro-LGF graffiti right next to them.

Attention stalkers! SEEK OUT ALL INITIALS IN HEARTS INSIDE PUB TOILETS ALL ACROSS EUROPE!
We'll be doing it (so to speak) all over Europe, and elsewhere.

293 ryannon  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:21:50pm

re: #286 albusteve

funny how many people say that...I just wonder if they really believe it

Also, what decade are we talking about here?

I was far, far away from everything (no, neither in an asylum nor a prison) by 1970.

Can't really say how they played in the years after - or how I would have felt.

294 What, me worry?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:23:09pm

re: #291 albusteve

I don't do shows like that...I've seen a few arena shows but they were worth it

At 20 something, it's an adventure.

It was general admission and all I could think of were those kids trampled at that Who concert. This was general admission too, which I thought they banned at some point.

295 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:24:10pm

re: #290 brookly red

believe it? shit I wonder if they can really remember it...

Dead fans took the event to it's limit...most of them barely listen to the music...they could play any sort of garbage and their fans would swoon...even the Stones rehearse their asses off and always worry if they are good enough for the high expectation...Zappa just played a bunch of disjointed jazz with all these bizarre lyrics, and both shows I saw, years apart had poor sound...it's a paycheck tho, just ask his musicians

296 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:24:45pm
297 What, me worry?  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:24:52pm

re: #292 iceweasel

Already happened. Nazi Bill White IIRC-- google.

This is iceweasel again-- jimmah is making tea.

BTW, Jimmah and I both wrote some hearts with our initials in them tonight in various public places, and some pro-LGF graffiti right next to them.

Attention stalkers! SEEK OUT ALL INITIALS IN HEARTS INSIDE PUB TOILETS ALL ACROSS EUROPE!
We'll be doing it (so to speak) all over Europe, and elsewhere.

hehe Glad to hear you guys are having fun! ((((Ice and Jimmah))))

298 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:25:19pm

re: #292 iceweasel

And, the funny part, is they WILL look!

299 Racer X  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:26:03pm
Military Impostors Are Neither Few Nor Proud

Steven Douglas Burton wore the Marine Corps uniform proudly. He had rows of medals, including a prestigious Navy Cross, a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star.

He posted a photo of himself in uniform and blogged about serving one tour of duty in Afghanistan and four in Iraq. He was at the Battle of Fallujah, he said, and praised the doctors who "patched us up."

But Burton wasn't a hero. He was a fraud who purchased medals online.

Burton pleaded guilty to a single count of the unauthorized wearing of a military medal. He faces up to a year in prison and a $100,000 fine for violating the Stolen Valor Act, which prohibits wearing an unearned medal or falsely claiming to have earned one.

"The defendant was wearing some of the highest military honors given in this country for valor," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Joseph Akrotirianakis, who prosecuted the case. "He never served in the military."

. . . .

Schantag also said that punishment is often too light. Worst of all, she said, is ordering an impostor to perform community service for a veterans' organization.

"Don't put them with the real heroes, where they can learn more stories," she said. "Have them dig graves in Arlington National Cemetery."

Spit.

300 ryannon  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:28:23pm

re: #296 island

the rest got truncated...

Thank goodness.

301 BruceKelly  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:28:57pm

re: #285 marjoriemoon

Sure you were in the right from of mind??

I almost got trampled at an Aerosmith concert. Outdoor concert in a football stadium (Orange Bowl) with Journey, Sammy Hagar, some others. Battle of the Bands thing. We were up front when the crowd starting pushing in from behind. The security upfront were keeping people away by, get this, squirting water at us with firehoses. So between the jam backward and the jam forward, I got literally lifted up in the crowd, out of my shoes and carried off. I'll never forget that. Luckily I landed in a heap outside the crowd, minus my shoes.

And that's when Joe Perry had already left anyway. Tyler & Co. were so freakin stoned, they couldn't sing or play. It was very disappointing.

Get your feet off the ground. Grab shoulders, heads, hair (lots of hair back then) anything, just get your feet off the ground. If someone steps on your foot (and someone will) and you can't move or if you trip it'll be the end of you.

We went to an Aeorsmith concert to see the opening band, Heart, and left after Aeorsmith's third song. They where a distorted, noisy mess.

Heart was fantastic.

302 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:29:35pm
303 Cheechako  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:31:47pm

re: #278 Walter L. Newton

THis just in. Warmer here tonight, so far. We are at 23 (f). Gee, I may not even need socks in bed tonight. Wait, I just checked, going down to 14 before morning... nippy.


Just so you can brag, you're colder than Alaska. 27 (f) here in SE.

304 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:32:29pm

re: #293 ryannon

Also, what decade are we talking about here?

I was far, far away from everything (no, neither in an asylum nor a prison) by 1970.

Can't really say how they played in the years after - or how I would have felt.

I have been going to live shows since before I had a drivers license and still do...I've been to every kind of festival, arena and club imaginable...it's what I do...there is barely enough money to force me to see Journey in a football stadium...I was way past that years ago...the best music is found at small festivals and clubs, road houses and saloons...it was always that way...unless you dig Sammy Hager and the like

305 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:33:31pm

re: #294 marjoriemoon

Let's rock Cincinnati!

306 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:34:06pm

re: #296 island

Take your insults and piss off.

307 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:34:10pm

re: #296 island

The problem is that people are claiming they have Godlike powers

It didn't take Godlike powers to increase greenhouse gasses and it won't take those powers to decrease CO2.

308 andres  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:34:24pm

re: #63 Charles

Wonderful. And then they act surprised when Latino voters abandon the GOP in droves.

Perhaps they think Latinos/Hispanics will forget soon. Like in California.

re: #88 robdouth

The verses are horribly offensive, but as quick problem with the link you mentioned: are we not allowed to say illegals anymore? I find it Orwellian to hear someone say that the term is offensive to immigrant rights organizations is kinda silly isn't it. It's an accurate term, even if it's taken on a perjorative meaning. It also serves a descriptive function, whereas certain racial epithets are strictly perjorative.

Words carry power. The term "illegal" dehumanizes people, and makes it acceptable for unacceptable actions to occur. Did you know that entering undocumented (or overstaying your visa) in the USA is equivalent to a parking or a speeding ticket? Are those people also equally criminal?

Would anyone lend credence to an article that said CAIR took offense to the term terrorist, or some 9-11 truther group took offense to the term truther. Please note I'm not comparing immigrants morally with the other two groups,

Yet you just did...

I'm just saying it seems rather silly that if just because someone take offense to something, doesn't mean it should be considered a horrible and offensive term.

As I said, words carry power. Screaming at the top of your lungs that your adversary is a liar is of bad taste, but carries little after-effect. Calmly stating that your adversary is a cockroach carries a different connotation, justifying any physical action against them (after all, who doesn't want to get rid of cockroaches?).

Most importantly, the idiot putting the song out should be out of their jobs, but color me pathetic if I find fault with the arguement, even when that person is right, but it's the way I am.

So, he's right that "illegals" carry diseases into the US?

Sometimes I'd rather be wrong but use sound reasoning then be right with incorrect reasoning, because the first leads to the likelihood that I'll be right in the future more often then the 2nd.

In this I concur.

309 ryannon  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:35:43pm

re: #304 albusteve

I have been going to live shows since before I had a drivers license and still do...I've been to every kind of festival, arena and club imaginable...it's what I do...there is barely enough money to force me to see Journey in a football stadium...I was way past that years ago...the best music is found at small festivals and clubs, road houses and saloons...it was always that way...unless you dig Sammy Hager and the like

I'd have to agree with you there.

As for Zappa and The Dead, I saw them in relatively intimate conditions/venues. Like I said, this was the late 60s.

310 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:36:33pm

re: #296 island

Dear Charles,

Why is it that these two words, when combined in the public forum, always presage a flounce?

I dunno about Charles, but I know that I and others stop reading after those two words. An ode to butthurt inevitably follows them.

Youtube Video
311 srjh  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:37:31pm

re: #202 Walter L. Newton

I read over the first two links. There is a lot of argumentation going on, on multiple levels, and links and links, including some stuff that is semi-supportive of him.

So, I've bookmarked the links and there is a bit of further reading needed. I can't just agree or disagree without taking a bit more time on this.

Thanks for the links.

To avoid confusion, you might need to keep in mind the fact that there are two Roger Pielkes - father and son, and both seem to be sort-of-skeptics.

I think it's the younger Pielke who gets more attention from the denial crowd, but it's easy to see how much of an idiot he is.

Long story short - he took a look at a range of model predictions and compared the predictions to the actual measured temperatures. Even though the temperatures were consistent with the models, they were clustered fairly close together (because they were measuring the same thing!). Pielke Jr. concluded that the models were wrong because measuring the temperature was more accurate than modelling it.

312 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:39:15pm
re: #296 island

Dear Charles,

Why is it that these two words, "Dear Charles", always presage a flounce?

Youtube Video

Fixed.

313 albusteve  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:39:42pm

re: #309 ryannon

I'd have to agree with you there.

As for Zappa and The Dead, I saw them in relatively intimate conditions/venues. Like I said, this was the late 60s.

as for the Dead, they have always been an enigma to me...some of their studio stuff is excellent, even legendary...but their live shows do not reflect whatever it is they do best...imo...they seem to settle for mediocrity on the road....I don't want or need 4 hour shows, that's not the point

314 ryannon  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:49:13pm

re: #313 albusteve

as for the Dead, they have always been an enigma to me...some of their studio stuff is excellent, even legendary...but their live shows do not reflect whatever it is they do best...imo...they seem to settle for mediocrity on the road...I don't want or need 4 hour shows, that's not the point

From Jean-Baptiste Lully's operas, the Dead's marathon all-nighters and right up to Philip Glass or Steve Reich, more is sometimes more - and imho, worth every minute of it.

315 srjh  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:50:27pm

Hmm... just got word of a Plimer vs Monbiot climate change debate on Australian television tonight - should be a good one, and should be available online afterwards.

[Link: twitter.com...]

316 ryannon  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:53:09pm

re: #312 iceweasel

Why is it that these two words, "Dear Charles", always presage a flounce?


[Video]

Fixed.

Have you ever heard of "Dear John" letters?

Kind of the same thing.

317 stayfrosty  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:13:52pm

When was the update added? There's no time stamp as usual. (Not being facetious; just genuinely curious.)

318 stayfrosty  Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:26:47pm

^^ I meant usually there is a time stamp, but not this time. Just realized that can be read two ways.

319 b_Snark  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 7:20:59am

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure, why not? The djinni is Maronite, however.

If I were you I'd stick with the gin.

320 robdouth  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 7:26:11am

re: #122 windsagio

Sorry i was going to reply, but I'm so old (almost 30 which is ancient in internet) and I couldn't figure out how to put in the linky thingy. Actually I was too busy making "non-Internet" Chili.

321 robdouth  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 8:15:06am

re: #202 Walter L. Newton

yeah I'm one to want to trust Charles on the links, but the first one looked like a guy who just personally doesn't like Pielke. Doesn't mean he isn't wrong, but it seems far more personal at that Deltoid site than professional, and the other link was mixed, so it's hard to take from that the resounding zero credibility label CJ put on him. Are there any links that don't look like individual scientists just being pissed at him?

322 robdouth  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 8:32:26am

re: #308 andres

Actually you thoroughly misunderstood one of the quotes. I never said that the guy was right who made the lyrics. I said that the song is offensive, and even though I agree with those who say it's offensive, I will still not be afraid to take issue with a part of their argument if I disagree with it. I don't believe that you get a pass to say whatever you want, just because you're on the right side, so I took issue in a narrow sense with part of the argument I found specious.

Look I'm not just going to not say something because it may hurt someone's feelings, if it's accurate. The term illegal may be seen by some as insensitive, but others may deem it as accurate. If it's used in a tirade such as "dirty illegals taking all the job, lazy, blah blah." then that is spiteful and hate filled and should be dealt with accordingly, but if someone says that they believe illegal immigration is a problem because they think it's unfair that we restrict the amount of people that come from countries far more worse off than Mexico, and that we should reduce illegal immigration to the south, so we can increase it from other places, i actually would say that's ok.

Remember that compassion to one party sometimes means non-compassion to another group. I'm not someone who thinks illegal immigration is bad because of "dirty foreigners" and anyone who says that should be slapped, I'm saying it's bad because it limits our options on legal immigration. If I'm wrong, then I'm open to being persuaded, and it's possible that the limiting legal immigration is a meme used by those who hate immigrants. If that's true then that would change my mind definitely.

323 [deleted]  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 10:48:52am
324 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:12:56am

re: #323 AllanHateMe

Take your insults with you and piss off.

325 Copernic  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 1:11:50pm

re: #20 Charles

I wasn't even close to being a "right winger" during the Clinton years. I voted for Bill Clinton twice, and for Al Gore in 2000.

Interesting. I wasn't aware of that. I was a Perot, Dole, Bush, Abstain, Obama voter.

I listened to right wing radio (Rush and Liddy) in the early 90s and while I was not a true believer, I had a negative perception of liberals and progressives through the 90s. I was swayed by Whitewater-gate, and other "scandals" of the Clinton years but now wonder if it was all a hoax and coordinated by right wing ideologues......or rather, I'm looking into how these stories were concocted and proliferate.

All part of the painful self examination.

326 What, me worry?  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 2:28:22pm

re: #301 BruceKelly

Get your feet off the ground. Grab shoulders, heads, hair (lots of hair back then) anything, just get your feet off the ground. If someone steps on your foot (and someone will) and you can't move or if you trip it'll be the end of you.

We went to an Aeorsmith concert to see the opening band, Heart, and left after Aeorsmith's third song. They where a distorted, noisy mess.

Heart was fantastic.

Ack. I missed your comment last night.

I saw Heart too! In a small theatre in the early 80's. I was absolutely blown away by Anne's voice. She didn't need a microphone, she had one, but I swear, could have sung without it. The woman has an amazingly strong voice.

You must be a lot of fun to go to concerts with :p


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