Tea Partiers Live! Bachmann: ‘The Charge of the Light Brigade!’

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The tea party die-in is now being carried live (get it? a live die-in? har!) on C-SPAN3.

Michele Bachmann just shrieked at the top of her voice, “It’s like the charge of the light brigade!”

I don’t think that’s really the best analogy for her to use. Does Bachmann realize that the Light Brigade was almost completely destroyed in that famous battle, due to a series of astoundingly incompetent decisions by leaders?

On second thought, that does sound like a pretty good analogy for the tea parties.

UPDATE at 12/15/09 11:15:30 am:

A comment from one of the lovely people who frequent Michelle Malkin’s site:

On December 15th, 2009 at 10:10 am, Ronbo said:

Looking at Obamacare from a Radical Republican point of view, I hope it passes because it will make the collapse of the American economy inevitable. This would lead to massive unemployment, hunger, disease and anarchy. The upside is that it would radicalize the middle class to rise in a bloody Second American Revolution, which would conclude with the execution, imprisonment, or exile of most Leftists in the country. The division of this country into two hostile camps will not end as a result of compromise and elections, but only by “Iron and Blood.”

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324 comments
1 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:02:41am

You expect her to know about a war Americans weren't involved in?

2 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:03:08am

Giant puppet!

3 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:03:14am

Today is an embarrassing day for Conservatives.

4 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:03:18am

Obama Hitler sign!

5 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:03:19am
Does Bachmann realize that the Light Brigade was almost completely destroyed in that famous battle?

Not understanding what they're talking about hasn't stopped them in the past.

6 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:03:55am

Charles, all of us here know by now that every time a Tea Partier opens their mouth, it's only to ram their foot in it. Repeatedly and deeply.

7 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:04:12am

re: #4 Charles

Obama Hitler sign!

Liberal plants.//

8 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:04:12am

re: #6 thedopefishlives

Really, it's like they're kicking themselves in the teeth.

9 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:04:20am

re: #5 Sharmuta

Not understanding what they're talking about hasn't stopped them in the past.

That seems to be true for all of D.C..

10 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:04:36am

Incompetent leadership leading their followers into a disaster?

Yup, it is exactly like the Light Brigade.

11 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:05:27am

re: #4 Charles

Obama Hitler sign!

But they like Nazis. Whats the big deal?

/

12 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:05:56am

Booing FDR.

13 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:06:03am

They booed FDR!

14 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:06:07am

Plus some Iron Maiden for a Light Brigade thread

Youtube Video
15 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:06:14am

Losers!

16 abolitionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:06:24am

One thing to fear...

/he can't count

17 Summer Seale  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:06:41am

Idiots of the world, UNTIE!

18 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:06:45am

Booing FDR!?

Wow. This is seriously crazy shit.

19 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:06:47am

re: #12 Sharmuta

re: #13 Gus 802

If only we had stuck to Hoover's path...///

20 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:07:18am

I wish I could some how infuse in all the whacko's (in this country) that the leadership is temporary. We survived 8 years of Bush, we will survive 4-8 years of Obama. They all (Left and Right) seem to think that some drastic change will happen, when in reality, it practically takes an act of G-d to get anything done in Washington.

21 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:07:30am

Now that the undead one has kicked the bucket, who will attend these events in disguise and post pictures for us to laugh at and make fun of?

22 Blueheron  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:07:56am

Ah shoot...I'm going to go play some poker...........conservative has left the building.........

23 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:08:03am

They're a little too late in being concerned with fiscal responsibility.

24 Ericus58  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:08:25am

My Favorite movie on this, posted downstairs (sorry for the duplicate)

Youtube Video
25 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:09:37am

re: #21 Alouette

Now that the undead one has kicked the bucket, who will attend these events in disguise and post pictures for us to laugh at and make fun of?

zombie was never going to cover these protests as a critic. Tea parties in the SF area were given favorable coverage by Chicken Kiev zombie. Zombie agrees with these people.

26 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:10:06am

re: #24 Ericus58

Ever watched "The Lighthorsemen"?

Youtube Video
27 Glen Davidson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:10:11am

Comparing a die-in to the massacre of the Light Brigade makes propaganda sense, if it's still rather intense hyperbole.

What's a "die-in" anyhow, an example of how people sometimes die from lack of healthcare in this country?

Glen Davidson
[Link: tinyurl.com...]

28 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:10:17am

Bu we'll leave them with rising water levels?

29 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:10:34am

re: #25 Sharmuta

zombie was never going to cover these protests as a critic. Tea parties in the SF area were given favorable coverage by Chicken Kiev zombie. Zombie agrees with these people.

The undead is gone --Where have I been? (oh, yeah, my nose in a book) What happened?

30 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:10:37am

I'm pretty sure that was the poem Alfalfa recited while firecrackers were going off in his back pockets.

31 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:10:51am
Half a league, half a league,
  Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
  Rode the six hundred.
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
  Rode the six hundred.


death panel?

32 Summer Seale  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:10:51am

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ever watched "The Lighthorsemen"?


[Video]

Excellent movie. =)

Miracle that they didn't all die and took the well.

33 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:11:07am

This is a partial repost because I don't think that people saw it downstairs.

I just read this paper. It is from PNAS; September, this year.

This is a very readable paper. It is vital that people understand that when scientists say that starvation on a massive scale is coming if we do not change our ways, that people realize we are talking here, in America and not just world wide.

This is real folks. There is no hyperbole. The lowest end estimates made by this paper, taking the lowest end of current projections is only a 30% reduction in our crops - by the end of the century. The high end is 82%.

[Link: www.agcarbonmarkets.com...]

Nonlinear temperature effects indicate severe
damages to U.S. crop yields under climate change

Wolfram Schlenkera,1 and Michael J. Robertsb

Abstract:

The United States produces 41% of the world’s corn and 38% of the
world’s soybeans. These crops comprise two of the four largest
sources of caloric energy produced and are thus critical for world
food supply. We pair a panel of county-level yields for these two
crops, plus cotton (a warmer-weather crop), with a new fine-scale
weather dataset that incorporates the whole distribution of temperatures
within each day and across all days in the growing
season. We find that yields increase with temperature up to 29° C
for corn, 30° C for soybeans, and 32° C for cotton but that temperatures
above these thresholds are very harmful. The slope of
the decline above the optimum is significantly steeper than the
incline below it. The same nonlinear and asymmetric relationship
is found when we isolate either time-series or cross-sectional
variations in temperatures and yields. This suggests limited historical
adaptation of seed varieties or management practices to
warmer temperatures because the cross-section includes farmers’
adaptations to warmer climates and the time-series does not.
Holding current growing regions fixed, area-weighted average
yields are predicted to decrease by 30–46% before the end of the
century under the slowest (B1) warming scenario and decrease by
63–82% under the most rapid warming scenario (A1FI) under the
Hadley III model.

34 Ericus58  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:11:28am

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

awesome, thanks... I don't think I have, a movie for this weekend!

35 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:11:37am

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Incompetent leadership leading sending their followers into a disaster?

Yup, it is exactly like the Light Brigade.

Fixed.

36 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:11:47am

GOP Health Care Rally: Whites Only

37 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:12:17am

re: #36 Gus 802

GOP Health Care Rally: Whites Only

I've noticed that too - "Red" flag if there ever was one.

38 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:12:18am

re: #29 ggt

You can read it in the commentshere.

39 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:12:39am

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote

Does that include the lower yields from the bee die-off?

40 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:12:47am

They want to have a tantrum- literally.

41 Ericus58  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:12:58am

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote

I will read that, thanks.

42 Kruk  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:13:02am

Charge of the Light Brigade? You mean attacking the wrong target at the wrong time because the leadership isn't in control, using up your most precious resources, and then pulling back from the field of battle with nothing to show for it?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Wow. Who knew Bachmann was such a history buff?

43 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:13:26am

re: #36 Gus 802

Yeah, not a lot of ethnic diversity. The GOP's problem is getting worse.

44 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:14:05am

re: #35 Decatur Deb

Fixed.

Actually, the commander of the Light Brigade did, in fact, lead the charge. He was whipped into a fury because he thought a subordinate was trying to take over his command, and thundered down the valley full speed ahead. He even lived to survive the battle.

45 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:14:57am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Yeah, not a lot of ethnic diversity. The GOP's problem is getting worse.

Not putting up songs like "Illegals in my Yard" on a site like Human Events would be a simple step forward.

46 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:15:13am

re: #44 thedopefishlives

Will review.

47 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:15:15am

Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
"Forward, the Light Brigade!
"Charge for the guns!" he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

"Forward, the Light Brigade!"
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Someone had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turn'd in air,
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.


Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honor the charge they made,
Honor the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred.

48 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:15:25am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Yeah, not a lot of ethnic diversity. The GOP's problem is getting worse.

None. It's not even diverse from within the Anglo-Saxon community.

49 Summer Seale  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:15:45am

I just turned it off. I felt like I was peering into a lunatic asylum.

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:15:50am

re: #1 JasonA

You expect her to know about a war Americans weren't involved in?

All she knows is that the Light Brigade slit their wrists together...

This the 'into the valley of death rode the six hundred' Light Brigade we're talking about? I used to know that poem by heart. I was a weird kid.

51 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:16:01am

This guy's really spooky.

52 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:16:22am

A comment from one of the lovely people who frequent Michelle Malkin's site:

On December 15th, 2009 at 10:10 am, Ronbo said:

Looking at Obamacare from a Radical Republican point of view, I hope it passes because it will make the collapse of the American economy inevitable. This would lead to massive unemployment, hunger, disease and anarchy. The upside is that it would radicalize the middle class to rise in a bloody Second American Revolution, which would conclude with the execution, imprisonment, or exile of most Leftists in the country. The division of this country into two hostile camps will not end as a result of compromise and elections, but only by “Iron and Blood.”

53 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:16:23am

re: #51 Killgore Trout

This guy's really spooky.

I noticed that this morning.

Cult leader.

54 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:16:38am

re: #51 Killgore Trout

This guy's really spooky.

I wouldn't be taking these peoples' calls either...

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:16:49am

re: #3 rwdflynavy

Today is an embarrassing day for Conservatives.

Just take a deep breath, and remind yourself that these people are CRAZY, not conservative.

56 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:17:38am

They really hate Lieberman- on both sides!

57 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:17:40am

He's calling the Senators "terrorists."

58 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:17:42am

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

All she knows is that the Light Brigade slit their wrists together...

This the 'into the valley of death rode the six hundred' Light Brigade we're talking about? I used to know that poem by heart. I was a weird kid.

Had to recite it in HS. I was very nervous and fast. The class heard:

"Happily, happily, happily onward..."

59 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:17:46am

Oh. Senators are terrorists now?

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:17:54am

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Incompetent leadership leading their followers into a disaster?

Yup, it is exactly like the Light Brigade.

Forward the Light Brigade!
Was there a nut dismayed?
E'en though the saner knew,
Bachmann had blundered...

61 Political Atheist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:18:02am

Note to the 2 parties, and the Tea Party if such ever becomes real...

Cut Off The Fringe

62 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:18:09am

Yay! More Bachmann

63 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:18:13am

The return of Bachmann!

64 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:18:19am

"the senators are terrorizing citizens'

65 Summer Seale  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:18:19am

re: #52 Charles

A comment from one of the lovely people who frequent Michelle Malkin's site:

Lovely people.

And they actually get upset when we compare them to the Jihadis.

66 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:18:19am

re: #59 JasonA

Oh. Senators are terrorists now?

I like to think of them as "man-made disasters".

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:18:22am

re: #13 Gus 802

They booed FDR!

What jerks.

68 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:18:50am

Oh great. Laura. More crazy.

69 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:18:51am

Is everyone trying to look like Palin on her book cover?

70 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:18:55am

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

What jerks.

I bet half of that crowd is collecting SSI.

71 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:19:11am

re: #64 Killgore Trout

"the senators are terrorizing citizens'

The thing that's terrorizing citizens are these idiots, parading around with talk of violent revolutions and packing heat to Presidential rallies and town halls.

72 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:19:25am

re: #39 Obdicut

Does that include the lower yields from the bee die-off?

Not so much, this is more about straight temperature variability. This is just simply saying that plant's don't like to cook.

I chose this paper to bring, because it is a gain a simple concept without too many moving parts. If you wish to delve into this more deeply and take into account all of the other things that will make this worse - urban expansion, bees dying off, normal every day, pollution issues and most importantly, changing rain patterns coupled with insect migrations and proliferations, you will find that that the upper end estimates of impact on our agriculture are far more likely than the lower end estimates.

73 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:19:36am

War on Christmas!

74 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:19:38am

re: #69 Sharmuta

Is everyone trying to look like Palin on her book cover?

Holy shit you're right.

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:19:46am

re: #21 Alouette

Now that the undead one has kicked the bucket, who will attend these events in disguise and post pictures for us to laugh at and make fun of?

Do we have any friends in DC?

76 hc4bo  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:19:49am

Are RED jacket stocks going up the roof right now !?!

77 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:19:52am

Oh, this is going to be painful.

78 palomino  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:20:03am

FDR gets booed because he was the first socialist president, according to Limbaugh and the other right wing talkers.

These yahoos believe that FDR was a closet commie; and that with his alphabet soup programs and social security, he ushered in modern "statism".

79 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:20:09am

Oh
my
god
...

80 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:20:27am

re: #77 Charles

Oh, this is going to be painful.

I had to turn it off. Her voice is as obnoxious as pamela's.

81 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:20:36am

The sirens are very well timed!

82 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:20:47am

Just in time! The sirens for the lunatics!

83 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:21:01am

re: #36 Gus 802

GOP Health Care Rally: Whites Only

What? I can't watch. Is that a sign or something?

84 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:21:22am

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

What? I can't watch. Is that a sign or something?

No, there's just no one there but a bunch of honkies.

85 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:21:28am

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

What? I can't watch. Is that a sign or something?

An observation on my part.

86 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:21:39am

re: #82 Gus 802

Just in time! The sirens for the lunatics!

They're coming to take them away HAHA, they're coming to take them away HEHE

87 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:21:39am

violins while Rome burns :)

88 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:21:39am

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

What? I can't watch. Is that a sign or something?

No, there just isn't a face with much pigment in that crowd.

89 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:22:36am

re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote

violins while Rome burns :)

This is more of a banjo and kazoo crowd.

90 badger1970  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:22:38am

re: #70 Gus 802

They couldn't have been booing for FDR's failure at the Malta Conference, could they?

91 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:22:58am

O.o

I thought Liebermann was kinda on their side, no?

92 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:22:58am

re: #38 Sharmuta

You can read it in the commentshere.

WOW, thanks for the link.

93 Kruk  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:23:22am

re: #57 Charles

He's calling the Senators "terrorists."

It gets worse than that. I've seen people on these sites calling for people to use the book "Term Limits" as inspiration. (A novel in which a group of "patriots" murder politicians for being "corrupt" or "unpatriotic". Naturally, the people with the guns decide who is corrupt or unpatriotic.) There's some seriously scary stuff out there.

94 subsailor68  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:23:25am

Cameras to right of them,
Cameras to left of them,
Cameras in front of them
Caught every blunder;
Storm'd they with much to tell,
Boldly they spoke real swell,
Into the jaws of Mush,
Flapping their mouths like Hell
Raved the six hundred.

There, that's the ticket.

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:24:17am

re: #71 thedopefishlives

The thing that's terrorizing citizens are these idiots, parading around with talk of violent revolutions and packing heat to Presidential rallies and town halls.

I'm not really terrorized. Alarmed as hell, yes.

96 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:24:28am

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

Just take a deep breath, and remind yourself that these people are CRAZY, not conservative.

That bears repeating.

97 palomino  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:24:33am

On the issue of diversity, lots of Republicans (especially consultants like Luntz and even Rove) see the need for minority outreach. The party has only one minority in the Senate and only a handful in the House.

But the teabaggers couldn't care less about this; they wear their ethnic purity as a badge of honor. It represents how much more American they are than the rest of us.

98 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:25:32am

re: #73 Charles

War on Christmas!

I was tired that a year ago. What BS!

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:25:34am

re: #78 palomino

FDR gets booed because he was the first socialist president, according to Limbaugh and the other right wing talkers.

These yahoos believe that FDR was a closet commie; and that with his alphabet soup programs and social security, he ushered in modern "statism".

Morons.

I take it none of them collect Social Security, or have friends or family who do?

100 badger1970  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:26:02am

re: #90 badger1970

Sorry meant Yalta. FDR was not a saint but at least he was a good war president.

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:26:04am

re: #84 thedopefishlives

No, there's just no one there but a bunch of honkies.

You mean the black guy with the M-4 didn't show?

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:26:54am

re: #91 JasonA

O.o

I thought Liebermann was kinda on their side, no?

There is no 'kinda'. There is only 'for us', or 'against America'.

103 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:27:11am

I couldn't get on to see it. If anyone's uploading it anywhere, let me know.

104 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:27:36am

Laura Ingraham call US government illegitimate.

Calls for revolution.

105 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:27:36am

re: #97 palomino

A small white rural southern party.

106 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:27:51am

Wow, this is getting crazier.

107 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:27:56am

There are rare days when I feel uncomfortable holding on to a hard-core JFK/RFK political position. Then there are days like today.

108 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:28:05am

When exactly does rhetoric go too far?

109 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:28:06am

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

Morons.

I take it none of them collect Social Security, or have friends or family who do?

Heck, I take it none of them have profited from the United States winning the Second World War?

110 brookly red  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:28:14am

/I think I am gonna stock up on canned food & bottled water just in case this spreads... oh and beer too.

111 HC4BO  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:28:23am

This is better TV than all of last years rallies combined ... !

112 palomino  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:28:28am

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

Morons.

I take it none of them collect Social Security, or have friends or family who do?

They've conveniently forgotten that Social Security and Medicare are govt programs. The New Deal to these folks was the beginning of the end of American individualism.

They just can't stand a popular Dem president, even if he's been dead for 64 years.

113 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:28:35am

Someone screamed: "It's treason!"

114 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:28:36am

Wow, some pastor had a freak out.

115 akarra  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:29:00am

re: #106 Gus 802

I'm becoming numb to the craziness - I feel like it has left a mark on how a lot of people think, that it's going to be even more difficult now to deal with conspiracy theories about camps and world government. Talking with a few people before who held conspiracy theories made me wonder how they could be so defiant and aggressive in holding positions which were less than sane. But part of the numbness is that I'm just avoiding the crazy or turning a blind eye to it without meaning to.

116 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:29:24am

re: #104 Gus 802

Laura Ingraham call US government illegitimate.

Calls for revolution.

I keep wanting to explain to these folks that 'the government is not doing what I want' does not mean 'the government is broken'.

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:29:46am

re: #105 wozzablog

A small white rural southern party.

The Dixiecrats are storming Washington?

118 palomino  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:29:46am

re: #113 Charles

Someone screamed: "It's treason!"

It's just like a McCain/Palin rally.

119 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:29:47am

re: #104 Gus 802

Didn't you know?.........

Acorn stole the General Election
[Link: publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com...]

and that there was a Coup....

Media Matters Video

*honestly, i thought EVERYONE knew that*

120 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:30:12am

re: #110 brookly red

/I think I am gonna stock up on canned food & bottled water just in case this spreads... oh and beer too.

I've got guns and ammo, I just directions to your place

:P

121 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:30:19am

Is it me or do these tea parties seem a little on the older side? Like post 35ish or so?

122 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:30:29am

re: #108 JasonA

When exactly does rhetoric go too far?

I don't know, but I suspect the Secret Service has cheat sheets tucked into their crisp shirtsleeves.

123 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:30:33am

Nazis!

124 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:30:43am

They're screaming out "we want war!"

125 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:30:44am

She's calling for revolution.

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:30:55am

re: #110 brookly red

/I think I am gonna stock up on canned food & bottled water just in case this spreads... oh and beer too.

This is no time to stockpile beer. Just drink it.

127 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:31:16am

re: #113 Charles

Someone screamed: "It's treason!"

Glad they noticed.

Oh, they weren't talking about the calls to overthrow the government, were they?

128 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:31:21am

re: #27 Glen Davidson

What's a "die-in" anyhow, an example of how people sometimes die from lack of healthcare in this country?

Glen Davidson
[Link: tinyurl.com...]

Don't know how this group will do it, but in my youth, I died a few times. basically you lay around and get in peoples way till the police come, carry you away and give you a ticket. It's like a human form of catch and release with catfish.

129 ryannon  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:31:26am

re: #108 JasonA

When exactly does rhetoric go too far?

"First they came for the rich..."

130 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:31:39am

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

This is no time to stockpile beer. Just drink it.

Agreed. Stockpile the harder liquors.

131 davesax  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:31:39am

Charles,

Sorry to buzz the thread, but I thought you'd want to know about this.

Haq was found guilty in the Seattle Jewish Federation shooting.

A relief.

132 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:31:40am

re: #125 Charles

She's calling for revolution.

Is this a new version of Godwin's law --when a whacko starts screaming for revolution, you know the argument is gone into crazy land?

133 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:31:42am

Meanwhile, they GOP still can't get a website right.


Pranksters Make Short Work of GOP’s URL Shortener for Conservatives

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:31:45am

re: #113 Charles

Someone screamed: "It's treason!"

This rally? Not really, although it does seem to be thinking about dipping in a toe.

135 akarra  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:31:55am

re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist

This is no time to stockpile beer. Just drink it.

Seconded.

136 wiffersnapper  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:31:57am

If anything it'll leave everyone with a brain die-in of laughter! Ohoho...

137 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:32:05am

Hype them up on revolution, then tell them to go be civil. Sure.

138 elizajane  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:32:22am

Perhaps MB's comment was intended to imply that as many as six hundred dying tea-baggers were present at this gathering. Another ploy to inflate the numbers.

139 HC4BO  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:32:31am

It's Over ???

140 palomino  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:32:46am

re: #105 wozzablog

A small white rural southern party.

True. Even that d-bag Tucker Carlson recently said the GOP has a big decision ahead of it: Do they want to just be the southern white Christian rump party, or a real national party?

141 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:33:01am

re: #124 Gus 802

They're screaming out "we want war!"

They've got two running concurrently. If they want more, they need to enlist.

142 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:33:02am

re: #128 Jeff In Ohio

However, judging from the feed of this crowd, the die-in will probably be more like Life Alert - I've fallen and I can't get up!

143 djughurknot  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:33:04am

"This is his Waterloo!"

Well, which is it? Health care is his Waterloo? This is the Light Brigade charge? I guess I can always hold out for my personal hope, an Appomattox Court House?

/disgusted.

144 brookly red  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:33:20am

re: #120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've got guns and ammo, I just directions to your place

:P

Thanks but I think you will be needed at the front... don't worry about me I just stay here and look after the women folks ;)

145 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:33:25am

Now they're going to go try to get into Senate offices and "die."

146 subsailor68  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:33:33am

Well, this ought to get the tea party people worked into a frenzy:

Lieberman: 'We're Headed in the Right Direction' on Health Care Bill

He's ready to vote:

Sen. Joe Lieberman, who has sent Democratic leaders and the White House scrambling to find a compromise that would win his support for legislation overhauling the U.S. health care system, signaled Tuesday that their efforts have nearly succeeded.

Oops. Maybe not quite yet.

147 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:34:13am

re: #137 Sharmuta

Hype them up on revolution, then tell them to go be civil. Sure.

Youtube Video
148 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:34:15am

3 percenter flag just went by.

149 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:34:15am

An Obama-Hitler-Stalin-Che sign!

150 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:34:28am

These teabaggers are so devoid of new ideas they have to copy the techniques of Code Pink. The Black Block is sure to follow. I'm sure they got all these ideas from zombie's photos.

151 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:34:31am

re: #137 Sharmuta

Hype them up on revolution, then tell them to go be civil. Sure.

That seems to be their modus operandi. "Here, get all hopped up on the narcotics of revolution and anarchy... But we didn't actually encourage you guys to be anarchic and revolutionary, so when the police come for us, it wasn't our fault." A flimsy attempt at plausible deniability.

152 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:34:50am

That preacher is screaming again.

153 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:34:54am

re: #145 Charles

Now they're going to go try to get into Senate offices and "die."

Didn't Code Pink try to invade the Senate?

154 akarra  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:34:56am

re: #133 Obdicut

Meanwhile, they GOP still can't get a website right.


Pranksters Make Short Work of GOP’s URL Shortener for Conservatives

Thanks for the story - I've been reading Wired more often, but somehow missed that today. Bookmarked.

155 HC4BO  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:35:05am

lol ...

Is It 2012 yet ??


Yeah, Like in 3 more years ....

Long wait ahead for some of these folk ... !

156 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:35:09am

re: #149 Charles

An Obama-Hitler-Stalin-Che sign!

When will these folks discover Trotsky?

157 brookly red  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:35:22am

re: #124 Gus 802

They're screaming out "we want war!"

OK, now where did I put my Costco card?

158 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:35:36am

re: #145 Charles

Now they're going to go try to get into Senate offices and "die."

Taze em Bro!

159 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:35:52am

Why I left the right. Live on TV.

160 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:35:55am

re: #154 akarra

Thanks for the story - I've been reading Wired more often, but somehow missed that today. Bookmarked.

I don't know how they don't see these things coming, but, well, the GOP seems to be lacking people who have any ability to think about the future at all.

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:36:06am

re: #145 Charles

Now they're going to go try to get into Senate offices and "die."

Actually laughing out loud. I don't know why this strikes me as so funny.

162 djughurknot  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:36:11am

re: #148 Gus 802

Was waiting for that.

re: #149 Charles

That too.

/facepalm.

163 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:36:32am

re: #153 MandyManners

Didn't Code Pink try to invade the Senate?

Code Pink has been doing their own die-ins, but they're saying they'll die without healthcare.

164 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:36:34am

There's a Dixie flag.

165 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:36:37am

re: #150 Alouette

These teabaggers are so devoid of new ideas they have to copy the techniques of Code Pink. The Black Block is sure to follow. I'm sure they got all these ideas from zombie's photos.

Something else for me to hold against Zomb. Great.

166 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:36:55am

re: #164 Charles

There's a Dixie flag.

And there's the hat trick. The trifecta of stupid.

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:37:05am

re: #153 MandyManners

Didn't Code Pink try to invade the Senate?

Oh, I'm sure. They like to barge in places.

168 Bloodnok  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:37:10am

This is one of those times where it is SO much better to be reading along on LGF rather than watching. The play by play is hysterical.

But then I remind myself that it's really happening.

169 palomino  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:37:22am

re: #156 Jeff In Ohio

When will these folks discover Trotsky?

How could they leave out Mao? He's almost Indonesian, like our Dear Leader.///

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:37:23am

re: #156 Jeff In Ohio

When will these folks discover Trotsky?

Didn't they see "Frida"?

171 brookly red  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:37:35am

re: #164 Charles

There's a Dixie flag.

/it's on.

172 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:38:00am

Oh wow. A black guy.

173 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:38:19am

re: #172 JasonA

Oh wow. A black guy.

The only one. And he's the bullhorn preacher.

174 jaunte  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:38:20am

re: #172 JasonA

A black isolationist guy.

175 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:38:23am

My favorite quote so far:

Teaching kids how to put a condom on a cucumber: Something's wrong with that.

176 djughurknot  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:38:38am

"Stop spending our kids' future"

Sorry dude, already busted the kitty open 8 years ago.

Where'd they dig up the black dude with the bullhorn?

177 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:38:44am

Save American First. Evangelize the world? Wow.

178 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:38:50am

re: #172 JasonA

Oh wow. A black guy.

Looks like the only African-American in the entire crowd -- and he's completely nuts. Screaming, "Save America first! Evangelize the world!"

179 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:38:52am

Remember the heros of '21!

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:38:53am

re: #172 JasonA

Oh wow. A black guy.

That is one determined activist.

181 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:39:07am

re: #164 Charles

There's a Dixie flag.

To the Dixie flag wavers. They lost. Get over it.

182 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:39:09am

So far the only difference I can see from the Code Pink type rallies is that no one has been arrested.

Am I missing anything?

183 akarra  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:39:25am

re: #160 Obdicut

I don't know how they don't see these things coming, but, well, the GOP seems to be lacking people who have any ability to think about the future at all.

I stuck my own URL in there just to see what happened besides URL shortening. bit.ly records all the URL's one shortens if you make an account there; if one wants conservatives to network, they could make this a social bookmarking service of sorts.

184 djughurknot  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:39:47am

There's that 3 percenter flag again...

185 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:40:23am

re: #175 Obdicut

My favorite quote so far:

Now we are back to the "if you don't want to fund abortion, you need to fund contracetion" dilemna.

Oh, I forgot the whacko right doesn't want anyone to have sex at all.

186 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:40:40am

Another Dixie flag. This one has the "tree of liberty" on it.

187 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:40:41am

That sign with the Constitution quote is my favorite. You can't oppose it, because if you do, you hate the Constitution...

188 brookly red  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:40:42am

/ Many years from now people will ask you " where you were when the revolution started?"

189 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:40:47am

Klan rally.

190 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:40:48am

re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist

Didn't they see "Frida"?

Frida was hot!

191 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:40:49am

re: #184 djughurknot

There's that 3 percenter flag again...

Isn't that, like, a direct call for revolution with no ambiguity whatsoever?

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:41:20am

re: #182 ggt

So far the only difference I can see from the Code Pink type rallies is that no one has been arrested.

Am I missing anything?

Is there anyone nearly as fabulously dressed as Medea Benjamin?

193 palomino  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:41:29am

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

To the Dixie flag wavers. They lost. Get over it.

"I'm just honoring my dead confederate forefathers. There's nothing racist about this flag."

///

194 djughurknot  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:41:40am

Whoa, what the heck was that flag?
Red field, Blue cross, stars in the blue, tree in left corner and moon... Seems sinister and kinda WPish.

195 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:41:44am

I'm really not much of a symbols and patriotism kind of guy, but flying a flag that is not the flag of the United States at the capitol, in an aggressive manner-- that's pretty damn annoying.

196 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:41:55am

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

Is there anyone nearly as fabulously dressed as Medea Benjamin?

no feathers?

197 ryannon  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:42:03am

re: #152 Charles

That preacher is screaming again.

He sounds a lot like Dave Chappelle doing his Black Racist routine.

198 jaunte  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:42:07am

This is the Dixie flag they're using.

This is a version of an early flag raised over South Carolina shortly after its secession from the Union in 1860 (it was also supposed to have been raised over Yale University by sympathizers). It was called the South Carolina Sovereignty Flag and was supposed to have been an inspiration for the Confederate flag in its later form.


Image: us-sc1860.gif

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:42:08am

re: #188 brookly red

/ Many years from now people will ask you " where you were when the revolution started?"

I was at my computer, in the staff lounge, laughing my ass off.

You?

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:42:38am

re: #190 Jeff In Ohio

Frida was hot!

Well, Salma Hayek is hot. Oh God. Is Salma Hayek ever hot.

201 xtremedave  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:42:48am

re: #159 Charles

Why I left the right. Live on TV.

Watching this is making me feel ashamed to have ever considered myself part of the right.

202 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:42:58am

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

I was at my computer, in the staff lounge, laughing my ass off.

You?

Up against the wall.

/Obscure reference... let's see if anyone gets it

203 brookly red  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:43:09am

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

I was at my computer, in the staff lounge, laughing my ass off.

You?

Home looking at the job boards...

204 djughurknot  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:43:10am

re: #186 Charles

Oh.

re: #191 JasonA

Pretty sure it is.

205 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:43:26am

re: #193 palomino

"I'm just honoring my dead confederate forefathers. There's nothing racist about this flag."

///

Allow me to honor my forefather by playing "Marching through Georgia"

Youtube Video
206 Obdicut  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:43:43am

re: #202 thedopefishlives

Do you work for the marketing division of Sirius Cybernetics Corporation?

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:43:43am

re: #197 ryannon

He sounds a lot like Dave Chappelle doing his Black Racist routine.

Look closely. IS it Dave Chappelle? He's just crazy enough to enjoy himself pulling something like this.

208 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:44:02am

"Please, if your going to participate in the Senate die-in to oppose the Federal take over of health care, please have your Medicare cards handy in case you take a baton to the head or get maced. We do not have the resources to dump you in the emergency room with out a valid Medicare card. Without one, we will leave you to belled on your own."
via the little voice in my head that is creaming "Stop the Fucking Irony Already"

209 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:44:06am

re: #206 Obdicut

Do you work for the marketing division of Sirius Cybernetics Corporation?

Just so. And a +1 for recognizing it.

210 Jaerik  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:44:23am

History really isn't these folks' strong point, is it?

211 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:44:31am

My Cat Overlord tells me not to be concerned. They are in charge not the whacko's. He also tells me I don't need a tin foil hat as They just laugh at it.

Gold? He likes gold.

212 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:45:10am

re: #202 thedopefishlives

Up against the wall.

/Obscure reference... let's see if anyone gets it

"...you honkie, redneck MFr"??

213 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:45:14am

re: #210 Jaerik

History really isn't these folks' strong point, is it?

never is.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:45:19am

re: #210 Jaerik

History really isn't these folks' strong point, is it?

They know the real, sekrit, suppressed by the liberals version. It is similar to the Conservative Bible.

215 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:45:21am

re: #210 Jaerik

History really isn't these folks' strong point, is it?

And they seem to get the wrong lessons from the stuff they do know.

216 subsailor68  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:45:22am

Charge of the Light Brigade? The Dixie flag? This is the very definition of irony.

"My friends, we are at a crossroads in history! This must not stand! Sound the alarum, muster the forces. Forward!! Onward!! Remember the Charge of the Light Brigade!! Bring to your minds the glory of Pickett's Charge!! Recall the golden sun shining brightly over the Battle of Little Big Horn!!"

Um, Ms. Bachmann, I don't think you're making the point you think you are.

Huh? I'm not?

217 djughurknot  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:45:44am

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!

218 Sharmuta  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:45:46am

I'm glad they turned it off, because the Save America First guy was cracking me up too much.

219 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:45:52am

re: #210 Jaerik

History really isn't these folks' strong point, is it?

Not really, no. They think of the Flintstones as a documentary.

220 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:47:07am

re: #186 Charles

Another Dixie flag. This one has the "tree of liberty" on it.

Are you talking about this one?
South Carolina Sovereignty/Secession Flag
It's pretty popular at tea parties for some resoan. I think it's a Palmetto tree.

221 brookly red  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:47:08am

re: #219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not really, no. They think of the Flintstones as a documentary.

/we have come a long way in 6,000 years...

222 djughurknot  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:47:17am

Ugh. Now I get to listen to coverage of Lieberman blowing the last remnants of good from this bill.

223 albusteve  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:47:19am

this rally sounds like a dilly...is there a central theme or just running amok?....not that it matters I guess

224 Charles Johnson  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:47:27am

I'm pretty sure I saw one of those Obama witch doctor signs, but C-Span's camera panned past it too fast to be sure.

225 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:47:58am

re: #224 Charles

I'm pretty sure I saw one of those Obama witch doctor signs, but C-Span's camera panned past it too fast to be sure.

I'm pretty sure there's at least one. When I was watching the 787 Dreamliner live stream, the periodically updating sidebar posed on a shot of a sign that looked just like it.

226 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:48:02am

Military Intelligence Chief Amos Yadlin said Tuesday that Iran has over the last year accumulated enough materials to create a nuclear bomb and warned: "The technological clock has almost finished winding."

Speaking at The Institute for National Security Studies, Yadlin said that Iran had embarked on a "measured and sophisticated strategy for a solid nuclear infrastructure, by spreading out in facilities both overt and covert, while simultaneously developing a military capability that would allow a breakthrough when it so decides."


SNIP

227 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:48:02am

re: #223 albusteve

this rally sounds like a dilly...is there a central theme or just running amok?...not that it matters I guess

I think they're milling about smartly.

228 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:48:22am

re: #225 thedopefishlives

*posed = paused. Oy.

229 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:48:25am

re: #217 djughurknot

Abortions for all.
[crowd boos]
Very well, no abortions for anyone.
[crowd boos]
Hmm... Abortions for some, miniature American flags for
others.
[crowd cheers and waves miniature flags]

230 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:48:37am

Keywords and phrases from the rally:

KILL the bill.
Government is illegitimate.
Tyranny
Treason
We want war.
Evangelize the world.
Senators are terrorists.
Booing Franklin D. Roosevelt

231 ryannon  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:48:43am

re: #211 ggt

My Cat Overlord tells me not to be concerned. They are in charge not the whacko's. He also tells me I don't need a tin foil hat as They just laugh at it.

Gold? He likes gold.

Currently $1,125 per ounce.

[Link: www.kitco.com...]

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:48:54am

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Are you talking about this one?
South Carolina Sovereignty/Secession Flag
It's pretty popular at tea parties for some resoan. I think it's a Palmetto tree.

It has a star and crescent on it. Would it be bad of me to start an internet rumor that the Tea Party people are sekret jihadis?

233 Jeff In Ohio  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:49:01am

re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist

The real one was the only woman I've seen that could pull of a unibrow and mustache and not lose her sex appeal. The long neck and those HANDS! Maybe it's the former BFA hippy in me, but c'mon

Image: frida20kahlo1.jpg
Image: fk200708_16.jpg

234 albusteve  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:49:11am

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Are you talking about this one?
South Carolina Sovereignty/Secession Flag
It's pretty popular at tea parties for some resoan. I think it's a Palmetto tree.

I think SC seceded from the Union first...that be significant...FOLLOW ME!

235 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:49:28am

re: #229 Mad Al-Jaffee

Abortions for all.
[crowd boos]
Very well, no abortions for anyone.
[crowd boos]
Hmm... Abortions for some, miniature American flags for
others.
[crowd cheers and waves miniature flags]

Holy crap. That was Clinton and Dole. Almost 14 years ago. I feel old.

236 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:49:31am

re: #223 albusteve

...is there a central theme or just running amok?.


Just lots of gibberish about liberty, tyranny, oppression and bizarre Paulian interpretations of the constitution. They aren't really opposing healthcare reform as they are just being angry.

237 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:49:56am

re: #231 ryannon

Currently $1,125 per ounce.

[Link: www.kitco.com...]

kitco.com

More proof that They are really in charge. What more do you need to know?

/

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:50:34am

re: #233 Jeff In Ohio

The real one was the only woman I've seen that could pull of a unibrow and mustache and not lose her sex appeal. The long neck and those HANDS! Maybe it's the former BFA hippy in me, but c'mon

[Link: stardollparadise.files.wordpress.com...]
[Link: z.about.com...]

Ah, an art crush is a beautiful thing...

239 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:50:44am

re: #236 Killgore Trout

Just lots of gibberish about liberty, tyranny, oppression and bizarre Paulian interpretations of the constitution. They aren't really opposing healthcare reform as they are just being angry.

Reminds me of Brick from Anchorman.

"LOUD NOISES! I DONT KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!"

240 brookly red  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:50:46am

re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist

It has a star and crescent on it. Would it be bad of me to start an internet rumor that the Tea Party people are sekret jihadis?

depends, how do you feel about being stalked by jihadis AND nazis?

241 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:51:04am

re: #235 JasonA

Holy crap. That was Clinton and Dole. Almost 14 years ago. I feel old.

The frogurt is also cursed.

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:51:30am

re: #240 brookly red

depends, how do you feel about being stalked by jihadis AND nazis?

Well, neither group likes me much now...

243 djughurknot  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:52:01am

re: #229 Mad Al-Jaffee

You sir, get my first upding. 51.

Where's SpaceJesus, so that I might pile on with the downdings?
/
re: #241 Mad Al-Jaffee

The frogurt is also cursed.

make that TWO updings.

244 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:52:03am

re: #241 Mad Al-Jaffee

obscure simpsons reference upding

245 brookly red  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:52:09am

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, neither group likes me much now...

well then go for it...

246 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:52:10am

re: #241 Mad Al-Jaffee

The frogurt is also cursed.

The turkey's a little dry...

247 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:52:10am

As crazy as it is, it could be crazier.

Just watch the British House of Commons on C-SPAN once --best comedy show out there.

248 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:52:35am

re: #240 brookly red

depends, how do you feel about being stalked by jihadis AND nazis?

Awesome, set things up right and you can get them to ambush each other while you sit back eating pop corn.

249 subsailor68  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:53:32am

I think I'm going to write a book about this event! What should I call it? It should be inspiring, warm the reader's heart, and even bring a tear or two. Hmm...let me think.

Ah!

"Tuesdays With Morons"

250 albusteve  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:53:56am

re: #247 ggt

As crazy as it is, it could be crazier.

Just watch the British House of Commons on C-SPAN once --best comedy show out there.

they need a Duck of Tyranny to hang...some drama

251 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:53:59am

re: #249 subsailor68

I think I'm going to write a book about this event! What should I call it? It should be inspiring, warm the reader's heart, and even bring a tear or two. Hmm...let me think.

Ah!

"Tuesdays With Morons"

Your quick wit has been earning you a lot of my updings today.

252 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:54:10am

re: #226 MandyManners

The doomsday clock is rushing headlong to midnight.

253 brookly red  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:54:17am

re: #248 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Awesome, set things up right and you can get them to ambush each other while you sit back eating pop corn.

Karl? is that you?

255 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:54:55am

Obama, Bachman, Pelosi are nothing . . .

Beware of the Kitteh Overlords!

256 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:55:33am

re: #246 JasonA

The turkey's a little dry...

The toppings contain potassium benzoate...That's bad.

257 subsailor68  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:56:11am

re: #251 thedopefishlives

Your quick wit has been earning you a lot of my updings today.

Hi thedopefishlives! Thanks! But, sigh - it's either that or cry, or blow out the cuff on my blood pressure monitor.

258 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:56:16am

This thread moved too fast to keep up. I'll go back and upding the undung.

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:56:34am

"We want war." That's what keeps ringing in my head.

260 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:56:39am

Ok this one is better, show their sheer power better.

261 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:57:03am

Giant puppet

262 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:57:29am

re: #254 ryannon

Thanks for the memories, Mo.

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

What's that asshole up to nowadays?

263 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:57:42am

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

You might say that - I couldn't possibly comment

264 lawhawk  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:57:56am

Drudge is touting this: 100 reasons climate change is natural. Anyone have a good fisking available?

265 ryannon  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:58:03am

re: #237 ggt

kitco.com

More proof that They are really in charge. What more do you need to know?

/

Teh Kittehs has always bin in charge!

266 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:58:55am

re: #252 lawhawk

The doomsday clock is rushing headlong to midnight.

And no one seems to be trying to stop it other than the Israelis.

267 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:59:00am

re: #261 Killgore Trout

Giant puppet

A number of captions are running through my mind, almost none of which are suitable for public consumption.

268 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:59:00am

re: #259 SanFranciscoZionist

"We want war." That's what keeps ringing in my head.

That was the worst.

269 subsailor68  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:59:12am

re: #263 wozzablog

You might say that - I couldn't possibly comment

Heh. Upding for the best British miniseries ever! And the best adaptation of Richard III too!

270 albusteve  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:59:24am

re: #259 SanFranciscoZionist

"We want war." That's what keeps ringing in my head.

it is disturbing...trying to find some context...with whom? over what?

271 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:59:24am

re: #265 ryannon

Teh Kittehs has always bin in charge!

Yeah, Douglas Adams got it all wrong.

272 Kragar  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 11:59:48am

re: #261 Killgore Trout

Giant puppet

Thats more of a furry. Puppets imply outside articulation. Thats just a guy in a suit.

273 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:00:38pm

re: #261 Killgore Trout

Giant puppet

There is something just wrong about that.

274 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:01:17pm

re: #216 subsailor68

Charge of the Light Brigade? The Dixie flag? This is the very definition of irony.

"My friends, we are at a crossroads in history! This must not stand! Sound the alarum, muster the forces. Forward!! Onward!! Remember the Charge of the Light Brigade!! Bring to your minds the glory of Pickett's Charge!! Recall the golden sun shining brightly over the Battle of Little Big Horn!!"

Um, Ms. Bachmann, I don't think you're making the point you think you are.

Huh? I'm not?

Did she actually say that? Something that insanely stupid, yet ironically true?

I'm from Pa. Out of curiosity, some college buddies and I decided we would try to make Pickett's charge. It is a long long run - even without gear. It is mostly up a gentle incline.

Of course that is where the union forces had batteries that mercilessly applied grape, chain and cannister, and the union infantry had clean easy shots from powerful and accurate rifles.

I tried to imagine being one of those men, sent off on an obvious suicide run, with no hope of victory. I wondered about the Confederate soldier and if his views and goals were really in line with running to his death for no possible gain. I wondered at those who sent them. Is some other fellow's plantation, or the right to enslave other humans worth a senseless suicide?

And of course, they did not see it that way. They were brave men. But they were ultimately sold out. No one can debate that. The politicians and economics of that war were what started it. The gross immorality of slavery started it. Yet, these brave men, saw themselves as defending home and hearth. They were sold that line and their sense of honor carried them to a pointless doom.

For these modern fools to use this is endless foolish hyperbole by idiots, but the shocking similarity is of course, that is fighting for the rights of pharmaceutical companies to take your money really sensible?

And what about Little Big Horn? Shall we look at that? After decades of genocide against them, this was the one place where the Native Americans got the upper hand against a drunk and vainglorious colonel, who could not be bothered to bring his gatling guns.

And you know, I find it very hard to feel sympathy for Custer. This is not just because he forgot his guns. This is because of what he was ultimately doing. I feel sorry for his men - sort of. Surely they realized that for years they had been committing genocide. But again, what a wonderful chapter in our history to bring for this modern "glorious" cause in the interests of corporations.

And yes, there are the Dixie flags. You know southerners can be offended at what I am going to say, but that flag is a flag of slavery. No matter how much pride any Southerner has in the South - and I am not trying to say that there is nothing to be proud of - but no matter how much, it is still a flag of slavery. It should be looked at much as a swastika is.

How fitting it shows up with these folks today.

275 brookly red  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:02:37pm

re: #266 MandyManners

And no one seems to be trying to stop it other than the Israelis.

perhaps they know something we don't...

276 Gearhead  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:03:12pm
I don’t think that’s really the best analogy for her to use.

She's just padding her verbal gaffe portfolio to make herself a credible VP candidate.

277 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:03:13pm

re: #274 LudwigVanQuixote

Nationalism is a powerful force.

278 Gus  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:03:28pm

Bachmann Invokes 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' (Note: They Lost!)

At today's conservative "Code Red" rally against the health care bill, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) rallied the faithful with a fun historical and literacy reference: "It's the charge of the light brigade!"

The fun part here is that the Light Brigade lost that famous battle of the Crimean War -- they lost it badly, sustaining heavy numbers of deaths and injuries. They are celebrated not for victory, but for their bravery in taking on truly insurmountable odds in a military disaster. It's hardly the sort of positive example that could truly rally the political faithful to success, is it?

Had Bachmann actually read about the Light Brigade, she might have understood this reference from the famous poem by Lord Tennyson:

Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.

When it comes to appreciating Tennyson, Bachmann is no Rod Blagojevich!

279 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:04:08pm

gotta go, have a great day all!

280 brookly red  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:04:42pm

re: #270 albusteve

it is disturbing...trying to find some context...with whom? over what?

/ with THEM over IT don't you get it?

281 subsailor68  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:04:53pm

re: #274 LudwigVanQuixote

Hi Ludwig. Nah, I made that up - but it's close enough to what she might say....

;-)

My folks took me to Gettysburg when I was about eight. (And no jokes about "had the battle just ended?" if you please!) Even at that age, the place had a sadness about it that I still remember.

282 albusteve  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:05:39pm

re: #277 JasonA

Nationalism is a powerful force.

it was all about Bobby Lee...he alone was responsible....he was way over his head in that fight and should have pulled out the day before....he was outmanned, outgunned, had no high ground and not enough muscle to to the flank at the Roundtops....he was finished even before the charge

283 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:05:46pm

And because wingnuts will monitor the comments here ...

I want to offer kudos to the Obama Administration for holding their own in Copenhagen this week.

Anyone who theorizes that Obama has wanted an opportunity to destroy America's economic future and hand it over to the "New World Order" run by Chinese Socialists will have to deal with these facts -

1) The US has held firm on China / India /Brazil having to sign up to actual emissions cuts that are verifiable;

2) The US taxpayer will not be paying China a subsidy to continue polluting (something China is actually demanding).

The Clinton admin needed to "save face" and signed up to a Kyoto deal that the Senate was never going to ratify. Obama isn't going down that road.

The latest news (all of 23 minutes old):

COPENHAGEN – In a showdown between the world's two largest polluters, China accused the United States and other rich nations Tuesday of backsliding on fighting global warming and the top U.S. envoy said Chinese greenhouse gas emission commitments should be independently verified.

Trying to ease the tension, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said rich and poor countries must "stop pointing fingers" and should increase their pledges to cut emissions to salvage the faltering talks on a climate pact. The European Union also urged both the U.S. and China to increase their commitments on emissions targets, but the U.S. would not change its offer.

New negotiating drafts circulating Tuesday showed key issues, including emissions targets for industrial countries, climate financing for developing countries, and verification of emissions, remained unresolved.

"The texts are getting less precise, seemingly," said Melinda Kimble, senior vice president of the U.N. Foundation and a former U.S. climate negotiator.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said in Berlin that she was "somewhat nervous" about prospects of success in Copenhagen.

Ban's warning in an interview with The Associated Press came as world leaders began arriving in Copenhagen, kicking the two-week conference into high gear in its quest to deliver a deal to curb emissions that cause global warming.

The conference so far has been marked by sharp disagreements between China and the United States and deep divisions between rich and poor nations.

"You can't even begin to have an environmentally sound agreement without the adequate, significant participation of China," said U.S. special climate envoy Todd Stern.

China and other developing countries are resisting U.S.-led attempts to make their cuts in emissions growth binding and open to international scrutiny rather than voluntary.

China, the world's largest polluter, is grouped with developing nations at the talks, but the U.S. doesn't consider China to be in need of climate-change aid.

In Beijing, China accused developed countries Tuesday of trying to escape their obligations to help poor nations fight climate change.

284 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:06:34pm

re: #283 karmic_inquisitor

Link

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

285 Blueheron  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:06:58pm

re: #201 xtremedave

Watching this is making me feel ashamed to have ever considered myself part of the right.


There is nothing wrong with being a part of the right. The right needs it's saner people so hang in there.

286 Summer Seale  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:07:02pm

re: #274 LudwigVanQuixote

And yes, there are the Dixie flags. You know southerners can be offended at what I am going to say, but that flag is a flag of slavery. No matter how much pride any Southerner has in the South - and I am not trying to say that there is nothing to be proud of - but no matter how much, it is still a flag of slavery. It should be looked at much as a swastika is.

How fitting it shows up with these folks today.

Beautifully put.

287 sasymomacat  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:07:24pm

re: #184 djughurknot

slipping out of lurking to expose my ignorance . . . what is a "3 percenter?" I'm at work reading the commentary, but videos are blocked, so I don't even have a visual to use to figure it out. I know it's probably something I should know . . .

thanks in advance!

288 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:08:14pm

re: #283 karmic_inquisitor


2) The US taxpayer will not be paying China a subsidy to continue polluting (something China is actually demanding).

Are you flippin' serious?! They actually came out and said that they wanted the United States to pay a subsidy?! It really is the "Screw America Conference", isn't it.

289 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:08:23pm

re: #275 brookly red

perhaps they know something we don't...

Considering their the likely targets, I think so.

290 brookly red  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:08:24pm

re: #283 karmic_inquisitor

And because wingnuts will monitor the comments here ...

I want to offer kudos to the Obama Administration for holding their own in Copenhagen this week.

Anyone who theorizes that Obama has wanted an opportunity to destroy America's economic future and hand it over to the "New World Order" run by Chinese Socialists will have to deal with these facts -

1) The US has held firm on China / India /Brazil having to sign up to actual emissions cuts that are verifiable;

2) The US taxpayer will not be paying China a subsidy to continue polluting (something China is actually demanding).

The Clinton admin needed to "save face" and signed up to a Kyoto deal that the Senate was never going to ratify. Obama isn't going down that road.

The latest news (all of 23 minutes old):

/how ironic if a UN confrence to save the world starts world war 3...

291 webevintage  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:08:48pm
or exile of most Leftists in the country.

I'll take "exile" in a country with gov't health care and a nice pension for 500 Alex.
Let's say France or maybe Sweden....

292 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:08:51pm

re: #287 sasymomacat

slipping out of lurking to expose my ignorance . . . what is a "3 percenter?" I'm at work reading the commentary, but videos are blocked, so I don't even have a visual to use to figure it out. I know it's probably something I should know . . .

thanks in advance!

They like to point out that only 3 percent of the pop was fighting for independence at any given time, soooo... only 3 percent of americans need to stand up now. Shitty logic considering that a couple of hundred years have passed, but there it is.

293 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:09:13pm

re: #281 subsailor68

Hi Ludwig. Nah, I made that up - but it's close enough to what she might say...

;-)

My folks took me to Gettysburg when I was about eight. (And no jokes about "had the battle just ended?" if you please!) Even at that age, the place had a sadness about it that I still remember.

What struck me is that even today the grass is so very green. When I realized why, sometimes having a scientific mind makes things worse.

294 jaunte  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:09:32pm

re: #287 sasymomacat

They are self-described revolutionaries. Here's the gist:

During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King's tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists. They were in turn actively supported by perhaps 10% of the population. In addition to these revolutionaries were perhaps another 20% who favored their cause but did little or nothing to support it. Another one-third of the population sided with the King (by the end of the war there were actually more Americans fighting FOR the King than there were in the field against him) and the final third took no side, blew with the wind and took what came.

Three Percenters today do not claim that we represent 3% of the American people, although we might. That theory has not yet been tested. We DO claim that we represent at least 3% of American gun owners, which is still a healthy number somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million people. History, for good or ill, is made by determined minorities. We are one such minority. So too are the current enemies of the Founders' Republic. What remains, then, is the test of will and skill to determine who shall shape the future of our nation.

295 ryannon  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:10:55pm

re: #262 MandyManners

What's that asshole up to nowadays?

Not a whole lot.

Thinking of becoming next President of Egypt.

Once again, what could possibly go wrong?

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

296 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:12:59pm

re: #288 thedopefishlives

Are you flippin' serious?! They actually came out and said that they wanted the United States to pay a subsidy?! It really is the "Screw America Conference", isn't it.

Google Todd Stern. He is the US negotiator who has been calling attention to this all week.

The Chinese and the Wingnuts have been attacking him personally. Moronic convergence.

297 lostlakehiker  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:14:20pm
On December 15th, 2009 at 10:10 am, Ronbo said:

Looking at Obamacare from a Radical Republican point of view, I hope it passes because it will make the collapse of the American economy inevitable. This would lead to massive unemployment, hunger, disease and anarchy. The upside is


Any train of thought that begins this way is just a train wreck. Solzhenitsyn had some thoughts on that mindset. In his novel of WW1, "August 1914", one of the characters is hoping that Mother Russia loses the war, because "the worse the better". That's a talking point for the Communists. Defeat might mean death for millions and famine for more, humiliation and subjugation of the nation, and so on, but at least it would spell the end of those nasty Romanovs with their secret state police, their infamous prisons, and their oppression of dissent.

Well, it did work out that way. And guess what. The worse, the worse. All those bad things came to pass, and were accepted by the worsethebetterists as the price of a shining future. But that shining future didn't shine. Instead, they got Stalin and Beria, famine in the Ukraine, a secret state police with powers a thousandfold more cruel than the Tsars', a nation that amounted to one big prison, and mass murder of anti-revolutionary types, including, naturally, all the original communist revolutionaries apart from Stalin's inner circle.

That's just one example. The French Revolution, the Rhodesian Revolution, and so on, make the same point. When the revolution is powered by the dream of apocalypse first, and then some bright shiny future, look out!

298 MandyManners  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:14:33pm

re: #295 ryannon

Not a whole lot.

Thinking of becoming next President of Egypt.

Once again, what could possibly go wrong?

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

He'd probably stop building the under-ground wall Egypt is building to stop Hamas' smuggling.

299 simoom  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:18:30pm

I was looking around Flickr to see if anyone had started uploading any "die-in" photos yet. While I didn't see any, I did wander into a collection from an Oct Tea Party Event I hadn't seen before, called Tuscon's Last Stand.

These caught my eye:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

This is my peace sign (image of looking through a sniper rifle scope)

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

1st black Prez. leads U.S. into slavery

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Barack Hussein Obama. You Lie. mmm mmm mmm

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Obama is a Klingon

Anti-Vaxer:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Say goodbye to your rights, your liberty and your freedom! The dictator has arrived!

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Barack Obama show us your Birth Certificate

NWO:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Obama as a biblical graven image:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

The Socialism of Traitor Obama is Pergury!! (Huh?)
300 gegenkritik  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:19:37pm
The upside is that it would radicalize the middle class to rise in a bloody Second American Revolution, which would conclude with the execution, imprisonment, or exile of most Leftists in the country.


Normally, those freaks talk about that a "civil-war", "bloody-revolution" and so on will be inevitable. While they still simulate some regret about the coming bloodshed (which they are yearning for), this freakk on Malkin's site is openly awaiting a massacre.
Aren't there any Mods at her website?

301 Girth  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:19:40pm

re: #297 lostlakehiker

These people are incapable of learning historical lessons. Unless it's from the Bible. And then they still fuck it up.

302 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:20:20pm

re: #297 lostlakehiker

Any train of thought that begins this way is just a train wreck. Solzhenitsyn had some thoughts on that mindset. In his novel of WW1, "August 1914", one of the characters is hoping that Mother Russia loses the war, because "the worse the better". That's a talking point for the Communists. Defeat might mean death for millions and famine for more, humiliation and subjugation of the nation, and so on, but at least it would spell the end of those nasty Romanovs with their secret state police, their infamous prisons, and their oppression of dissent.

Well, it did work out that way. And guess what. The worse, the worse. All those bad things came to pass, and were accepted by the worsethebetterists as the price of a shining future. But that shining future didn't shine. Instead, they got Stalin and Beria, famine in the Ukraine, a secret state police with powers a thousandfold more cruel than the Tsars', a nation that amounted to one big prison, and mass murder of anti-revolutionary types, including, naturally, all the original communist revolutionaries apart from Stalin's inner circle.

That's just one example. The French Revolution, the Rhodesian Revolution, and so on, make the same point. When the revolution is powered by the dream of apocalypse first, and then some bright shiny future, look out!

Fantastic novel and fantastic point.

The one thing that the super far right and the super far left have in common is a true hatred of America.

303 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:20:39pm

re: #286 Summer

Beautifully put.

Thank you.

304 sasymomacat  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:22:51pm

re: #292 JasonA

Thanks much -

This is simply insane and completely irresponsible (not just the 3% thing, but the whole attitude going on in the wacky right). It saddens me.

305 Jaerik  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:23:48pm

It's an interesting self-defeating spiral.

The more the crazies cause people to bail from the Republican party, the more desperate the party becomes to hold on to every voter they have. Which means the less they can risk calling out the crazies in their own party.

306 sasymomacat  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:24:43pm

re: #294 jaunte

that's downrightout scary!

307 jaunte  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:25:11pm

re: #304 sasymomacat

Here's another note on the 3 percenters, (and a good reason to keep a wary eye on Tea Party activities):

The militia movement isn’t larger because most people do not agree with it. The small number of true believers that will actually take action are not significant in any real terms, and will never be until they have popular support on the level of a political party. It is at that point that they can cross over from being “domestic terrorists” in the eyes of the populace and start being perceived as “freedom fighters.”
[Link: brillianter.com...]

308 lostlakehiker  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:25:26pm

re: #283 karmic_inquisitor

And because wingnuts will monitor the comments here ...

I want to offer kudos to the Obama Administration for holding their own in Copenhagen this week.

Anyone who theorizes that Obama has wanted an opportunity to destroy America's economic future and hand it over to the "New World Order" run by Chinese Socialists will have to deal with these facts -

1) The US has held firm on China / India /Brazil having to sign up to actual emissions cuts that are verifiable;

2) The US taxpayer will not be paying China a subsidy to continue polluting (something China is actually demanding).

The Clinton admin needed to "save face" and signed up to a Kyoto deal that the Senate was never going to ratify. Obama isn't going down that road.

The latest news (all of 23 minutes old):

The only way there will ever be a deal is if China concludes that it is in her own national interest to agree to measures that will actually curtail emissions. China won't take the hit solo. Neither will the U.S., nor really, anybody. Thus, to get an agreement, everybody has to be on board, and there have to be consequences for cheating. Without verification, there cannot be consequences because the cheating itself cannot be proved. So, there have to be provisions for verification.

Curtailing emissions, now, is not politically or economically feasible for China. They have to move further up the economic ladder, to where they can build nuclear, wind, solar installations on a massive scale and at a cost within their reach, before they can wean themselves from coal. We're sort of in the same boat, though we're nearer being able to make that transition.

A huge R&D and pilot project program in solar and advanced wind technology is necessary. It's the only way that we can do what we have to do without facing politically immobilizing economic pain.

309 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:27:29pm

re: #52 Charles

A comment from one of the lovely people who frequent Michelle Malkin's site:

Ronbo - [Link: 209.85.229.132...]

This guy is a grade A nutjob. Note the link to "The Green Arrow" BNP activist site.

He used to post on a now defunct message board called "The Happy Extremist". Used to brag that he was arrested and jailed for trying to assassinate Bill Clinton. Last year he announced that he was going to 'martyr' himself leaving an online 'suicide note' and obituary.

[Link: 209.85.229.132...]

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:28:18pm

re: #281 subsailor68

Hi Ludwig. Nah, I made that up - but it's close enough to what she might say...

;-)

My folks took me to Gettysburg when I was about eight. (And no jokes about "had the battle just ended?" if you please!) .

There's a Sharyn McCrumb character--an elderly woman living in a 1990s Appalachian town--who teaches Sunday School. Sometimes the teens ask why she never married. She explains that she used to tell them her sweetheart died at Chickmauga, until the kids stopped realizing it was a joke.

311 Decatur Deb  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:29:08pm

Must go string lights on the tree. (For a month I've been training the puppy not to bring his pine cones and branches into the house. Today I set up the firtree. Dog says: WTF?) Later, All.

312 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:30:24pm

re: #287 sasymomacat

slipping out of lurking to expose my ignorance . . . what is a "3 percenter?" I'm at work reading the commentary, but videos are blocked, so I don't even have a visual to use to figure it out. I know it's probably something I should know . . .

thanks in advance!

Wannabe revolutionaries. The three percent refers to the supposed percentage of colonists who took up arms against Britain, and the percentage of Americans they expect to do likewise for THEIR revolution.

Don't feel badly. I just found out they existed like a month ago.

313 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:30:45pm

re: #288 thedopefishlives

Are you flippin' serious?! They actually came out and said that they wanted the United States to pay a subsidy?! It really is the "Screw America Conference", isn't it.

All UN conferences are.

314 sasymomacat  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:31:12pm

re: #307 jaunte

Gosh, the more I hear, the scarier they sound. I have a friend who is active in the local tea-party movement and it scares me to think someone so close is linked to activities that invite/encourage this kind of attitude.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:31:46pm

re: #291 webevintage

I'll take "exile" in a country with gov't health care and a nice pension for 500 Alex.
Let's say France or maybe Sweden...

I couldn't live in either. Israel, or Ireland, maybe.

316 sasymomacat  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:34:40pm

re: #312 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks - I was feeling pretty "dumb" - I read nearly every weekday, but hadn't seen this term before. If you have only learned about it that recently, it makes me feel much better! :)

317 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:37:26pm

re: #292 JasonA

They like to point out that only 3 percent of the pop was fighting for independence at any given time, sooo... only 3 percent of americans need to stand up now. Shitty logic considering that a couple of hundred years have passed, but there it is.

Or, put differently, shitty logic considering that they acheived the democratic representation they fought for, rendering future armed revolutions unnecessary. What a bucketful of armpits...

318 Four More Tears  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:38:26pm

re: #317 Aceofwhat?

Well yeah, there is that, too...

319 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 1:08:00pm

I suspect (hope) that the armchair revolutionaries are just fat lazy idiots who couldn't organize an uprising to overthrow their Home Owner's Association, never mind make an attempt at the United States.

But for the ones who actually believe their own bullshit and genuinely think it might or should actually come to action, how do they think their little fantasy would play out in real life?

Beyond the specter of localized roving gangs of Tea Partiers going door-to-door looking for "leftists" and "leftist sympathizers", surely they must realize that a for-real, no-shit civil insurrection on the scale they fantasize about would necessarily result in catastrophic disruption of energy, food supplies, potable water availability, sewage treatment / sanitation, and emergency services. Basically, entire regions of the country would look like New Orleans in the days after Katrina. How do they plan to deal with that?

They seem to think they exist in a vacuum. If you think gang crime is bad now, just wait until half your city is blacked out because one faction or another bombed a powerstation. The US is a far different entity than it was in 1861, and even back then other countries nearly got involved. Do they really think that none of the top 10 in this list would find it in their own best interests to intervene significantly? That's a Black Label Special Grande Reserve can of worms, pals.

We have already run several times the experiment to see what happens when a small group of belligerent political radicals, with enemies-list in hand, takes up arms against its government. So far, the number of utopias yielded remains zero.

320 Irenicum  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 1:12:58pm

re: #274 LudwigVanQuixote

Ludwig, that was incredibly eloquent. I'm beyond impressed.

321 robdouth  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 1:17:15pm

re: #78 palomino

He did have the internment thing going so I guess I could see booing that.

322 Slap  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 1:25:11pm

re: #274 LudwigVanQuixote

I'll add to the compliments, Ludwig. Just perfect. Many thanks!

323 robdouth  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 1:39:18pm

re: #308 lostlakehiker

Ugh solar and wind, why not just go nuclear and you're good for the next couple hundred years at least.

324 andres  Tue, Dec 15, 2009 2:08:56pm
I don’t think that’s really the best analogy for her to use. Does Bachmann realize that the Light Brigade was almost completely destroyed in that famous battle, due to a series of astoundingly incompetent decisions by leaders?

If you put it that way, then I find it very appropriate: Isn't the RNC crippled by "astoundingly incompetent decisions" by their current leadership?


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