He's not kidding about the death threats. Don't ask how I know that...I just do.

Interesting comment posted at the article..

"you can not trust Mark Lloyd. his ideas are not progressive be regressive to the Republic. you must simply judge Mark Lloyd by his own words."

I think the "smear machine" has been working overtime.

I don't agree with Mark Lloyd on how best to manage communications policy, but I agree that any such differences are simply those of normal policy disagreements. He's a decent man trying to do his job that best way he knows how. The haters who think they "expose" him only expose how blindly hating and out of touch with reality they are.

OT already: Venezuela is objecting at Copenhagen (heh... got that guess right.)

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

What don't you agree with Mark Lloyd about on how best to manage communications policy? Just curious.

oooh... Venezuela just said this is a coup against the UN!

This is just another freaking witch hunt I've been following. There is a concerted effort against Lloyd, I see it posted somewhere everyday. I'm really glad he's fighting back and naming names.

re: #5 recusancy

What don't you agree with Mark Lloyd about on how best to manage communications policy? Just curious.

I'm mostly just reserving my right to disagree. Chances are I'm going to disagree with an Obama appointee on some things.

Mandy has a whole folder on this guy...too bad she's not here...if he's being attacked it's for a reason

re: #6 freetoken

oooh... Venezuela just said this is a coup against the UN!

Chavez would know all about wrongful seizings of power.

/spits

re: #9 albusteve

Mandy has a whole folder on this guy...too bad she's not here...if he's being attacked it's for a reason

A folder entirely derived from right wing sources. Sorry, I don't agree with her at all about this, and I'm not going to play the smear game with Mark Lloyd.

re: #9 albusteve

Mandy has a whole folder on this guy...too bad she's not here...if he's being attacked it's for a reason

She's here.

OK I know, I know but you gotta admit the title Chief Diversity Officer does sound old school Soviet... couldn't they call him something else?

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

Chavez is no longer there... the speaker was the female delegate, one of those hot Venezuelan babes, and she did the angry Latina role with aplomb.

Link to the fireworks:

[Link: www3.cop15.meta-fusion.com...]

Mark Lloyd FCC diversity officer

[Link: www.fcc.gov...]

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

[Link: www.lunch.com...]

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Praise for Chavez

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

Yeah, but you know any Dem/marxist/commie/fascist--whose goal is what's best for the "health of the American Republic"--is working to get Beck, Rush, FNC, etc. off the air. Like all of of those leftists, he hates the "American Republic". He's just afraid to come right out and say it. Buy gold and brace yourself for the amero.

///

Expanding on that point -- I'm sick to death of the McCarthyesque BS being promoted by the right wing to drive out Obama appointees. It sucks. If we'd had people like Glenn Beck around in WWII, we never would have developed the atomic bomb -- because Robert Oppenheimer was an outright communist sympathizer.

The country is not served by these kinds of smear campaigns.

re: #16 MandyManners

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Cuba up... attacks President Obama [heads explode on the right-o-sphere]...

re: #17 trendsurfer

what's best for the "health of the American Republic"--is working to get Beck, Rush, FNC, etc. off the air.

I don't think you have to be a leftist to see the damage done by these people.

re: #16 MandyManners

Praise for Chavez

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

Rush Limbaugh is always an excellent source for McCarthyesque smears.

Even if he does like Chavez I don't see how that interferes with his ability to do his job.

re: #18 Charles

The world might well have been a good deal better had we not built the bomb. It served only a very debatable use in ending WWII, and has been a nightmare ever since.

Maddow's talking about Birch and CPAC right now.

re: #11 Charles

A folder entirely derived from right wing sources. Sorry, I don't agree with her at all about this, and I'm not going to play the smear game with Mark Lloyd.

re: #23 Conservative Moonbat

Even if he does like Chavez I don't see how that interferes with his ability to do his job.

Well, if he does admire Chavez, it is a good indicator his head is fully up his ass. Can't communicate very well in that position.

re: #24 MikeySDCA

The world might well have been a good deal better had we not built the bomb. It served only a very debatable use in ending WWII, and has been a nightmare ever since.

It still would have been made. We just wouldn't have gotten it first.

re: #23 Conservative Moonbat

Even if he does like Chavez I don't see how that interferes with his ability to do his job.

As long as it doesn't define his job, no it shouldn't.

re: #19 MandyManners

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

A 36-second excerpt from a video. Yeah, let's run him out of office.

In his own words:

Forget the Fairness Doctrine
By Mark Lloyd %P% July 24, 2007

Look for buzzwords such as local control and diversity.

re: #28 recusancy

It still would have been made. We just wouldn't have gotten it first.

Considering how much it cost, and the seriousness of the doubts that it would work, if we hadn't made it, who would have? Once it was known that it could be done, all bets were off.

re: #22 Charles

Rush Limbaugh is always an excellent source for McCarthyesque smears.

My No. 16 has the video itself.

re: #22 Charles

Rush Limbaugh is always an excellent source for McCarthyesque smears.

Oops. No. 19.

re: #24 MikeySDCA

The world might well have been a good deal better had we not built the bomb. It served only a very debatable use in ending WWII, and has been a nightmare ever since.

Do you realize that Nazi Germany was also working hard on an atomic bomb?

Sure, we should have run Robert Oppenheimer out of the Manhattan Project! Imagine how wonderful the world would have been.

re: #31 MandyManners

In his own words:

Forget the Fairness Doctrine
By Mark Lloyd %P% July 24, 2007

Look for buzzwords such as local control and diversity.

diversity is not a buzz word it's his freakin title.

Sorry to keep going OT, but the Cuba rep certainly can talk for many minutes... spectacular grandstanding. Indeed, they just got the document to read, but he has a whole list of issues.

re: #31 MandyManners

In his own words:

Forget the Fairness Doctrine
By Mark Lloyd %P% July 24, 2007

Look for buzzwords such as local control and diversity.

Those are buzzwords? I thought conservatives liked local control and what's the problem with diversity?

The cough syrup finally has taken over and I'm going to bed in hopes that I'll actually get some sleep.

re: #21 allegro

True, I had never heard of Beck when I was already being driven out of the Party by Limbaugh and Coulter.

I remember once being down dinged for saying the best thing that could happen to the Right and the country was for the RW media go off the air.

re: #38 Conservative Moonbat

what's the problem with diversity?

It includes brown people?

re: #26 albusteve

the post that didn't happen...oh well

re: #31 MandyManners

In his own words:

Forget the Fairness Doctrine
By Mark Lloyd %P% July 24, 2007

Look for buzzwords such as local control and diversity.

You think monopolies are good in local media markets? One company owning all the newspapers, radio, and tv stations?

re: #35 Charles

The German project never got beyond talk, in large part because their calculations were off. Heisenberg's War

re: #44 MikeySDCA

The German project never got beyond talk, in large part because their calculations were off. Heisenberg's War

It would have been made. Our calculations were off too. Then we got them right.

re: #45 recusancy

It wasn't. They lost.

re: #44 MikeySDCA

The German project never got beyond talk, in large part because their calculations were off. Heisenberg's War

If America hadn't developed the atomic bomb, someone else would have. Maybe not Germany, but it's impossible to keep this genie in the bottle.

Do you really believe the world would have been better off if America hadn't been the one to do it?

Think. Please.

re: #44 MikeySDCA

The German project never got beyond talk, in large part because their calculations were off. Heisenberg's War

Japanese also had a program.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Notice the link from FreePress to the coverage of the National Conference on Media Reform, where he was a co-panelist with Medea Benjamin and the like.

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

Again, good night.

re: #46 MikeySDCA

It wasn't. They lost.

So you'd rather Russia being the sole owner of the technology?

re: #40 trendsurfer

True, I had never heard of Beck when I was already being driven out of the Party by Limbaugh and Coulter.

I remember once being down dinged for saying the best thing that could happen to the Right and the country was for the RW media go off the air.

history repeating it self.

This just par for the course as far as I'm concerned when it come to the right-wing shock jocks. Their audience needs a steady stream of fear and outrage or they aren't getting their money's worth.

re: #47 Charles

The unimaginable expense of the project in any time other than the very special circumstances of WWII, make it exceedingly unlikely that the whole thing would have been more that a talking point for physics grad students on the third six pack. This is the horrible irony of the situation.

re: #50 MandyManners

Again, good night.

Sweet dreams mandy

re: #24 MikeySDCA

Terrible idea. Just terrible.

re: #54 MikeySDCA

The seeking of superior weaponry is an ongoing process. It may have taken longer, but it would have happened regardless.

re: #51 recusancy

So you'd rather Russia being the sole owner of the technology?

What odds the Russians would have built it if it wasn't known to be a sure thing?

If a blogger makes a post about the craziness and unreliability of certain attacks on a particular public official...

...and mentions certain sources as being indicative of such attacks...

...and preemptively explains that posting links to said sources/material would be redundant, have no real value, or convince anyone either way...

...then why rush into the thread to post links to all said sources...

...and then go to sleep?

re: #43 recusancy

You think monopolies are good in local media markets? One company owning all the newspapers, radio, and tv stations?

The problem is that, as Mandy hinted at, such schemes are often used by the left to hand control over to their own people. Mark Lloyd may mot be engaged in such actions, but when we hear those buzzwords we would be wise to dig deeper.

re: #54 MikeySDCA

The unimaginable expense of the project in any time other than the very special circumstances of WWII, make it exceedingly unlikely that the whole thing would have been more that a talking point for physics grad students on the third six pack. This is the horrible irony of the situation.

bullshit...talking point until when!...if the war didn't expadite it the Cold war surly would have

Anyway, bravo to Mr Lloyd for responding to these right-wing f*cktards. More public figures need to push back. IMO.

re: #58 MikeySDCA

What odds the Russians would have built it if it wasn't known to be a sure thing?

Dude. Military's try everything. We tried psychics for god's sake. Do you think that was proven?

You mean to tell me that after all of these month some folks still though that Mark Lloyd was a "czar" appointment?

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that, as Mandy hinted at, such schemes are often used by the left to hand control over to their own people.

At what point has Big Business been in the left?

re: #63 recusancy

But it didn't cost vast sums.

re: #58 MikeySDCA

What odds the Russians would have built it if it wasn't known to be a sure thing?

excellent with people like the Rosenbergs handing off the playbook...the bomb was inevitable

re: #64 Gus 802

Since 'czar' is meaningless bullshit, why not?

re: #54 MikeySDCA

The unimaginable expense of the project in any time other than the very special circumstances of WWII, make it exceedingly unlikely that the whole thing would have been more that a talking point for physics grad students on the third six pack. This is the horrible irony of the situation.

Japan already had cyclotrons in operation. They would have figured it out had they not been defeated.

re: #64 Gus 802

You mean to tell me that after all of these month some folks still though that Mark Lloyd was a "czar" appointment?

Czarro, mask and all

re: #67 albusteve

If we hadn't built it there wouldn't have been a playbook to hand off.

re: #68 Obdicut

Since 'czar' is meaningless bullshit, why not?

It actually applies to White House adviser and deputy adviser positions.

Wow. Right when I was mildly surprised that people would defend Mark Lloyd, suddenly we're talking about how it's a bad thing the US developed the atomic bomb.

re: #63 recusancy

Dude. Military's try everything. We tried psychics for god's sake. Do you think that was proven?

we considered bombing the Soviets with LSD

re: #71 MikeySDCA

If we hadn't built it there wouldn't have been a playbook to hand off.

Nonsense. The basic knowledge was there (see Einstein). It was just a matter of who put the pieces together first.

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

They had one cyclotron, and they were defeated. Also, figuring out how to do it in abstract terms is far from being able to actually do it.

re: #71 MikeySDCA

If we hadn't built it there wouldn't have been a playbook to hand off.

you underestimate your enemies

re: #71 MikeySDCA

Dude... you're completely wrong. Nuclear power would have been investigated, as would the weapon-making technologies. They weren't going to stop experimenting with radioactive stuff.

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

And failing to stop the Japanese would have created a new nightmare for the United States. Lest we forget that the Japanese in WW II were driven by nationalistic & religious fervor.

re: #75 allegro

Nonsense. The basic knowledge was there (see Einstein). It was just a matter of who put the pieces together first.

and now it's a matter of who is next...

re: #75 allegro

And how many billions of dollars did thet cost?

Trying to say that people (other than the US, I guess because God loves us) would never successfully create nuclear weapons is like saying that abstinence education will keep young adults from having sex.

re: #76 MikeySDCA

Also, figuring out how to do it in abstract terms is far from being able to actually do it.

Agree, however that leaves open the very real likelihood that the Soviet Union would have been able to figure it out and, unlike the Japanese, they would have the resources to pull it off.

re: #24 MikeySDCA

It served only a very debatable use in ending WWII...

Debatable, really?

re: #73 cliffster

Wow. Right when I was mildly surprised that people would defend Mark Lloyd, suddenly we're talking about how it's a bad thing the US developed the atomic bomb.

I don't have the skinny on him...but I didn't like what I saw originally, even so I try to be open minded

re: #81 MikeySDCA

And how many billions of dollars did thet cost?

When did we start talking about the cost in money?

Meanwhile, Mark Lloyd said outright that he's not interested in reinstituting the Fairness Doctrine, and he's not a supporter of Hugo Chavez. Hello?

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

I don't agree with Mark Lloyd on how best to manage communications policy, but I agree that any such differences are simply those of normal policy disagreements. He's a decent man trying to do his job that best way he knows how. The haters who think they "expose" him only expose how blindly hating and out of touch with reality they are.

Dark_Falcon -

I am right there if the disagreement is "policy." Elections "DOOO" have consequences. If/Where it strays into censorship - "Fuggedabouddit!"

-S-

re: #82 cliffster

Trying to say that people (other than the US, I guess because God loves us) would never successfully create nuclear weapons is like saying that abstinence education will keep young adults from having sex.

Quite Concur.

re: #86 allegro

When did we not?

re: #48 Decatur Deb

Japanese also had a program.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Ahem.

re: #87 Charles

Meanwhile, Mark Lloyd said outright that he's not interested in reinstituting the Fairness Doctrine, and he's not a supporter of Hugo Chavez. Hello?

And Bill Clinton said outright that he did not have sex with that woman...

re: #81 MikeySDCA

And how many billions of dollars did thet cost?

who cares?...what's that got to do with it?...you can dig money out of the ground or just print it...it's neither here nor there

re: #81 MikeySDCA

And how many billions of dollars did thet cost?

2 billion. $22 billion in today's dollars. It would have been done.

re: #87 Charles

Stop injecting reality into our fantasies!!!

Speaking of which, over in Copenhagen it looks like the usual crowd is complaining. Had a rather funny point-of-order battle with the Venezuelan reps (who sit not far from the US) jumping up and down to get attention when the US was given the floor, since they claim they had already pushed their button.

Breaking Story! Democratic Administration Appoint a Liberal! Will The World Survive?

Film at 11.

Sorry to drop bombs and run, but the little girl needs a book read to her before bed, and I'm the man to read it.

re: #82 cliffster

Trying to say that people (other than the US, I guess because God loves us) would never successfully create nuclear weapons is like saying that abstinence education will keep young adults from having sex.

I'm amazed by how US history continually seems to assume that we have a monopoly on intelligence.

Hell, most Americans still think the entire collective Japanese military complex woke up one morning and, completely apro pos of nothing, decided to bomb the hell out of a superior military power for shits and giggles.

re: #90 MikeySDCA

When it comes to weaponry, cost has never been a factor. To my dismay, actually, but that's besides the point.

re: #88 Dr. Shalit

Dark_Falcon -

I am right there if the disagreement is "policy." Elections "DOOO" have consequences. If/Where it strays into censorship - "Fuggedabouddit!"

-S-

Agreed.

re: #72 Gus 802

It actually applies to White House adviser and deputy adviser positions.

Gus802 -

"May G-d BLESS and KEEP the CZAR(S) - Far Away From US."
Tevye - Late 19th Century.
THAT! - Is Quite Enough.

-S-

re: #31 MandyManners

In his own words:

Forget the Fairness Doctrine
By Mark Lloyd %P% July 24, 2007

Look for buzzwords such as local control and diversity.

Found them! Now what?

re: #102 Jeff In Ohio

Found them! Now what?

Be afraid! The libruls will get you!

it

re: #87 Charles

Meanwhile, Mark Lloyd said outright that he's not interested in reinstituting the Fairness Doctrine, and he's not a supporter of Hugo Chavez. Hello?

well I certainly like that language...seems pretty vanilla but I'll give him credit but the proof is in the pudding and his time has not come yet, that I know of

The thing is . . .
People say all sorts of things in all sorts of different situations, and then they may rethink their position or change their mind, or perhaps they find they're simply not in a position to be able to do what they might prefer to do.

I would not like to see a "Fairness Doctrine" implemented.

But is there any indication there is a move to do so?

It's silly, pointless and energy-sapping to fight a battle when there's no battle to be fought.

Well, at least the FCC can help slow down the corporate takeover of radio. Last thing we need is another corporate rock radio station that plays the same song all across the country.

re: #72 Gus 802

It actually applies to White House adviser and deputy adviser positions.

Yes, but unfortunately the media uses 'czar' as snappy shorthand for 'person in charge of stuff who has a really long title'. Energy czar (or whatever) sounds snappier than 'special advisor to the the President on xxx' and fits more easily in headlines and soundbites.
Unfortunately the right-wing conspiracy machine takes that to mean that all the 'czars' are holding advisor positions, and therefore didn't require senate confirmation, yadda yadda. They do it deliberately.

(Holdren for example is the 'science czar', but his actual position is one which required confirmation)

re: #2 Floral Giraffe

Interesting comment posted at the article..

"you can not trust Mark Lloyd. his ideas are not progressive be regressive to the Republic. you must simply judge Mark Lloyd by his own words."

I think the "smear machine" has been working overtime.

The Smear Machine (With the new software, Smear-O-Matic 3.6) either doesn't have a shift key or TFK programmed it.

re: #96 Conservative Moonbat

Channeling The Kentucky Fried Movie:

Moscow burning,
Missiles heading towards New York.
Film at 11.

re: #99 allegro

When it comes to weaponry, cost has never been a factor. To my dismay, actually, but that's besides the point.

If you will look a little more closely at the actual history of actual wars, you will find that cost is usually a very major factor.

My contention in this little subthread is that the Manhattan Project was probably the greatest strategic error in history. This genie would have stayed in its bottle if we hadn't let it out.

Copenhagen update: looks like the Danish PM (who is presiding over this) is huddling with Ban Ki Moon and the parliamentarians to figure out what to do next.

re: #105 reine.de.tout

(snip)
I would not like to see a "Fairness Doctrine" implemented.

But is there any indication there is a move to do so?

.

It's right in there between revoking the second amendment and the death panels.

re: #98 Jaerik

I'm amazed by how US history continually seems to assume that we have a monopoly on intelligence.

Hell, most Americans still think the entire collective Japanese military complex woke up one morning and, completely apro pos of nothing, decided to bomb the hell out of a superior military power for shits and giggles.

Good point. The Japanese really did think that they had to attack us or else be choked by our embargo. They also thought they could win the war they started if it was over quickly. However, their underestimation of our will to fight coupled with the disastrous loss of 4 IJN fleet carriers at the Battle of Midway proved their undoing.

re: #97 cliffster

Sorry to drop bombs and run...

No problem. Many a B-17 and B-24 made a good living dropping the bombs and running.

re: #110 MikeySDCA

Want Peace? Give a Nuke the Nobel

re: #110 MikeySDCA

If you will look a little more closely at the actual history of actual wars, you will find that cost is usually a very major factor.

My contention in this little subthread is that the Manhattan Project was probably the greatest strategic error in history. This genie would have stayed in its bottle if we hadn't let it out.

that's simply unthinkable...I mean really

re: #107 iceweasel

Yes, but unfortunately the media uses 'czar' as snappy shorthand for 'person in charge of stuff who has a really long title'. Energy czar (or whatever) sounds snappier than 'special advisor to the the President on xxx' and fits more easily in headlines and soundbites.
Unfortunately the right-wing conspiracy machine takes that to mean that all the 'czars' are holding advisor positions, and therefore didn't require senate confirmation, yadda yadda. They do it deliberately.

(Holdren for example is the 'science czar', but his actual position is one which required confirmation)

Yeah, it's pretty specific. Any position requiring confirmations is definitely not a czar.

Now, back to slamming corporate radio! ;)

re: #104 albusteve

so wait; the assumption is that he will reinstate the fairness doctrine and is a supporter of Chavez until he proves otherwise?

Poor guy.

re: #106 Gus 802

So very true! I don't think my market has a single locally owned FM station left. Its a sad statement.

re: #105 reine.de.tout

Good points.

It's silly, pointless and energy-sapping to fight a battle when there's no battle to be fought.

It is a waste of time for the right but for Obama and the Dems they are thrilled to have their opponents focus on ACORN, Van Jones, etc. They are the ultimate distraction and are all completely dispensable.

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that, as Mandy hinted at, such schemes are often used by the left to hand control over to their own people. Mark Lloyd may mot be engaged in such actions, but when we hear those buzzwords we would be wise to dig deeper.

Could you provide some examples where "schemes are often used by the left to hand control over to their own people"? And by control, I'm supposing you mean radio licensing.
thanks!

re: #105 reine.de.tout

I would not like to see a "Fairness Doctrine" implemented.

But is there any indication there is a move to do so?

No, there isn't. This is another right wing fear-mongering boogeyman, with no relation to the real world.

People like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are using this nonsense to fleece their gullible flocks, and line their pockets.

At least Joe McCarthy actually believed the hateful crap he espoused. The people promoting these smear jobs are in it only for themselves.

re: #110 MikeySDCA

This genie would have stayed in its bottle if we hadn't let it out.

On this, we will have to agree to disagree. When knowledge is present and it can be applied to weaponry, men are going to make weapons, come hell or high water.

re: #118 windsagio

so wait; the assumption is that he will reinstate the fairness doctrine and is a supporter of Chavez until he proves otherwise?

Poor guy.

re: #106 Gus 802

So very true! I don't think my market has a single locally owned FM station left. Its a sad statement.

Even the news. They don't even do local news anymore on those FM stations.

re: #111 freetoken

Copenhagen update: looks like the Danish PM (who is presiding over this) is huddling with Ban Ki Moon and the parliamentarians to figure out what to do next.

I formation with two tight ends, halfback sweep right on two. BREAK!

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

Good point. The Japanese really did think that they had to attack us or else be choked by our embargo. They also thought they could win the war they started if it was over quickly. However, their underestimation of our will to fight coupled with the disastrous loss of 4 IJN fleet carriers at the Battle of Midway proved their undoing.

they didn't consider victory...they bet on an appeasing, bored America, they lost...Yamamoto was very specific about this

He continued, “My focus has long been the health of the American republic and what I see as the central role of communications policy in that republic.”

See! Can't you see, that sentence is just full of code words about the destruction of the first amendment!

"The health of the American republic," yeah right, obviously that health will be better served by showing Keith Olbermann 24/7 and banning Rush, Glenn, and anyone else who dares to question the Obamanation!11!!

"what I see as the central role of communications policy in that republic.

Can't you see that this "appointed czar" who never had to pass congressional approval [sic] now thinks that he alone is able to decide what is proper to broadcast!

Beware any day now the "reichstag fire event" will happen and Obama and his socialist, facist, nazi, communist brownshirts will seize power and overthrow all opposition. The mindless zombie thugs who make up 100% of our military will support all of this without question obviously and assist in the termination of the rights of other Americans. Then, well then, Obama will reveal himself as the anti-christ or something and take over the world, I'm not really that sure about that part...

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re: #102 Jeff In Ohio

Found them! Now what?

Contemplate them in all their sordid frightfulness like a true conservative should, that's what!/

re: #124 SteveC

Sounds good but... they play soccer over there!

re: #71 MikeySDCA

If we hadn't built it there wouldn't have been a playbook to hand off.

If the US had ignored the possibility of an a-bomb, I suspect Great Britain would not have, as they held the patent (on fission chain reactions, assigned from Leo Szilard, and classified top secret). Of course, Britain lacked sufficient resources, especially during ww2.

re: #105 reine.de.tout

Mucho Thankos for picking up the Cook along Live link. Could you also add this when you get a chance?
How to Make a Home Garden Greenhouse, Like Michelle Obama

You can build a hoop house, and enjoy winter vegetables all year round, even in some of the coldest parts of the country. And you can do it yourself, cheaply and with minimal effort.

Michelle Obama knows this. In the South Lawn garden the First Lady created, White House chef Sam Kass and Department of Agriculture staff, including organic and local food champion Kathleen Merrigan, built a hoop house, making this video in the process:

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re: #120 Jeff In Ohio

the cynic in me says that the problem is actually the opposite; I wonder how much big conglomerates like Clearchannel put out to keep radio deregulated?

re: #123 Gus 802

I had to be precise, here theres one station thats locally owned. Its an AM, and its owner is a rich eccentric with a VERY expensive hobby. You're right tho'.

I'm gonna dig up an interesting old link on how corperate FM stations run, but I have to find it first >

re: #118 windsagio

so wait; the assumption is that he will reinstate the fairness doctrine and is a supporter of Chavez until he proves otherwise?

Poor guy.

re: #106 Gus 802

So very true! I don't think my market has a single locally owned FM station left. Its a sad statement.

there is reason to wonder where he stands, or there would be no issue...I don't assume anything and neither should you

censorship is real, it can do no harm to fear it.

re: #39 MandyManners

The cough syrup finally has taken over and I'm going to bed in hopes that I'll actually get some sleep.

So soon? This is usually your cue to start posting bullshit about Soros again.

re: #131 windsagio

the cynic in me says that the problem is actually the opposite; I wonder how much big conglomerates like Clearchannel put out to keep radio deregulated?

re: #123 Gus 802

I had to be precise, here theres one station thats locally owned. Its an AM, and its owner is a rich eccentric with a VERY expensive hobby. You're right tho'.

I'm gonna dig up an interesting old link on how corperate FM stations run, but I have to find it first >

The worst offender:

Clear Channel Communications

re: #128 freetoken

Sounds good but... they play soccer over there!

soccer?...that's it...declare WAR!

re: #129 abolitionist

If the US had ignored the possibility of an a-bomb, I suspect Great Britain would not have, as they held the patent (on fission chain reactions, assigned from Leo Szilard, and classified top secret). Of course, Britain lacked sufficient resources, especially during ww2.

Ya.. They were in dire straights for resources. That's why FDR had to lend/lease.

re: #113 Dark_Falcon

Good point. The Japanese really did think that they had to attack us or else be choked by our embargo. They also thought they could win the war they started if it was over quickly. However, their underestimation of our will to fight coupled with the disastrous loss of 4 IJN fleet carriers at the Battle of Midway proved their undoing.

Yup. But mention anything about the complex chess game leading up to the Pearl Harbor attacks and you get branded a historical revisionist.

I guess history is only useful for political purposes when it reads like a comic book.

re: #133 brookly red

censorship is real, it can do no harm to fear it.

What real censorship are you afraid of?

re: #134 iceweasel

So soon? This is usually your cue to start posting bullshit about Soros again.

you are like the perfect jerk...never miss a chance to knife somebody...small

re: #133 brookly red

censorship is real, it can do no harm to fear it.

Which are why monopolies are bad.

re: #125 albusteve

they didn't consider victory...they bet on an appeasing, bored America, they lost...Yamamoto was very specific about this

And Yamamoto paid for that error in judgment with his life in 1943, when our P-38s shot down the 'Betty' bomber he was flying in.

re: #110 MikeySDCA

My contention in this little subthread is that the Manhattan Project was probably the greatest strategic error in history. This genie would have stayed in its bottle if we hadn't let it out.

IIRC, The Nazis made a half-hearted attempt to make a "Uranium Machine." It's really anybodys guess how close they came to having a bomb.

re: #125 albusteve

they didn't consider victory...they bet on an appeasing, bored America, they lost...Yamamoto was very specific about this

Kinda like how Al Qaeda bet that America just didn't have the stones to retaliate appropriately after 9/11. They bet that the "soft and decadent" Americans would not do anything major. I suppose it seemed like a safe bet after somalia, beirut, our african embassy bombings and the Cole bombing, all resulting in us running away instead of hitting back.

re: #132 albusteve

there is reason to wonder where he stands, or there would be no issue...I don't assume anything and neither should you

The issue comes from the usual suspects scaring up controversy about an Obama Apointee. See Charles above re: witch hunts.

To cheat; your position is the same one that was used a year ago to put up birther stories. "If there wasn't any problem, people wouldn't be talking about it!"

I've read these articles. What is it people are afraid of? The Fairness Doctrine? Local control of radio? The commies taking control of the airwaves and preventing a fair airing of grievances?

re: #144 ausador

Kinda like how Al Qaeda bet that America just didn't have the stones to retaliate appropriately after 9/11. They bet that the "soft and decadent" Americans would not do anything major. I suppose it seemed like a safe bet after somalia, beirut, our african embassy bombings and the Cole bombing, all resulting in us running away instead of hitting back.

They got what they wanted. Us stuck and spending resources like crazy in the Middle East.

re: #106 Gus 802

Well, at least the FCC can help slow down the corporate takeover of radio. Last thing we need is another corporate rock radio station that plays the same song all across the country.

Gus802 -

Even WCBS 101.1 New York is a REAL ROCK Radio Station Once Again. Tune it in via Computer "Listen Now' and you wil see. AND - wouldn't you rather ave a Corporate Rock station than a Government Oriented "Modern Music" station? Just wondering?

-S-

Another Hot Air commenter justifies killing the mother whose baby died in Virginia...

I believe the reverse should then be true. Since the woman was still attached to the umbilical cord, her life is meaningless; therefore, any action taken upon her would not be a crime.

How sick is that law and those who refuse to face it.

madmonkphotog on December 18, 2009 at 9:19 PM

re: #146 Jeff In Ohio

na, na, they're just ginning up a controversy to try to hurt the current administration.

Business as usual, in other words.

re: #139 Killgore Trout

What real censorship are you afraid of?

I have family in Berlin, real enough? Now I am not saying this man is a bad man I am just saying that saying it couldn't happen here is naive.

Well, see, it really isn't about that. It's about America and our boy and girls over there fighting in Eyerak, and that other place...as you know, I come from the coldest place in the United States, and we have a saying never to stick your tongue on a frozen flagpole, and that's just what that guy did. That Mark...Lloyd I think? I saw it in some magazine because I read all of them.

Well, now, you know, some people learn it the hard way, that it's moms like me who get the best training for when you gotta wash out your kid's mouth, and that Mark guy...well, he just sounds like he needs soap and water, doesn't he? You betcha he does! Golly, if I don't know who else does, he sure does...

So anyway, it's really about how they wanna take away our rights that we're fighting for, you know, and I'm sure he means well - other than the fact that he's palling around with terrorists like Hugo Chavez an all, from what I hear - we should just ask these questions, because they're real questions! And isn't that what America is about? Let me hear you say it! YOU BETCHA IT IS!

re: #138 Jaerik

Yup. But mention anything about the complex chess game leading up to the Pearl Harbor attacks and you get branded a historical revisionist.

I guess history is only useful for political purposes when it reads like a comic book.

So, let's talk. Make your case. I love discussions about WWI.

re: #140 albusteve

you are like the perfect jerk...never miss a chance to knife somebody...small

I won't be apologising anytime soon for calling out people who consistently propagate conspiracy bullshit-- you got that right.

re: #146 Jeff In Ohio

I've read these articles. What is it people are afraid of? The Fairness Doctrine? Local control of radio? The commies taking control of the airwaves and preventing a fair airing of grievances?

re: #147 recusancy

They got what they wanted. Us stuck and spending resources like crazy in the Middle East.

Yes.

re: #151 brookly red

I have family in Berlin, real enough? Now I am not saying this man is a bad man I am just saying that saying it couldn't happen here is naive.

Corporate diversity. Not government control. The more diverse it is the harder it is to censor.

re: #148 Dr. Shalit

Gus802 -

Even WCBS 101.1 New York is a REAL ROCK Radio Station Once Again. Tune it in via Computer "Listen Now' and you wil see. AND - wouldn't you rather ave a Corporate Rock station than a Government Oriented "Modern Music" station? Just wondering?

-S-

Well, just because I think Clear Channel K-Rok stations suck doesn't mean I'd want "government owned" music stations.

re: #148 Dr. Shalit

wouldn't you rather ave a Corporate Rock station than a Government Oriented "Modern Music" station? Just wondering?

Someone is proposing a government oriented modern music station? Methinks I hear the notes of weird paranoia.

re: #156 recusancy

Corporate diversity. Not government control. The more diverse it is the harder it is to censor.

please forgive me if I just simply don't understand

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

And Yamamoto paid for that error in judgment with his life in 1943, when our P-38s shot down the 'Betty' bomber he was flying in.

yes, the point being he paid for somebody else's error in judgement...it was well observed Japan had no chance against us in a straight up fight, and we gave it to them

re: #133 brookly red

censorship is real, it can do no harm to fear it.

Ok, you say that it is real, how about you cite me one unequivocal example then? Just one, I'll be waiting, but definitely not holding my breath.

re: #148 Dr. Shalit

Gus802 -

(snip) wouldn't you rather ave a Corporate Rock station than a Government Oriented "Modern Music" station? Just wondering?

-S-

"Click and Clack" fan here.

re: #149 Killgore Trout

I'd rather listen to the Venezuelan rep than spend my time at HotAir to read what is written over there. Honestly, the Venezuelan babe may be no more rational, but she is better to look at.

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

So, let's talk. Make your case. I love discussions about WWI.

I actually don't have a case. :D It was a general tangential observation about the oversimplification of history that tends to spawn off political discussions.

re: #162 Decatur Deb

"This American Life" always makes me want to drive into a telephone pole tho'

Radio's big bully

A complete guide to Salon's reporting on Clear Channel, the most powerful -- and some would say pernicious -- force in the music industry.

re: #151 brookly red

Now I am not saying this man is a bad man I am just saying that saying it couldn't happen here is naive.

It's not happening here. Many things are possible not not all of them are happening. These are delusional fantasies. It's fiction. Sure, there are a few dopey lefties who'd love to see Glenn Beck taken off the air but smart lefties love Glenn Beck. He's a gift belong anything they could ever wish for. The only people who love Glenn Beck more than the wingnuts are the lefties.

re: #157 Gus 802

Well, just because I think Clear Channel K-Rok stations suck doesn't mean I'd want "government owned" music stations.

Heh. Reminds me of this old Onion story from 1998:
Clinton threatens to drop da bomb on Iraq

In an address before an emergency session of Parliament Monday, George Clinton said he is prepared to drop Da Bomb on Iraq if Saddam Hussein does not loosen up and comply with U.N. weapons inspectors by the Clinton-imposed deadline of March 1.

"For Saddam Hussein to refuse to let U.N. officials inspect Iraqi weapons facilities as per the terms of Iraq's 1991 Gulf War surrender is decidedly unfunky of him," Clinton said. "While the decision to drop Da Bomb is never an easy one, unless Saddam gets down with this whole U.N.-inspection thang and seriously refunkatizes his stance by March 1, we will have no choice but to tear the roof off Baghdad."

Preparations for the military strike, dubbed Operation Supergroovalisticprosifunkstication Storm, are already underway. The Mothership is ready and on standby at Starchild Air Force Base in Detroit, where more than 5,000 bop gunners are making final preparations for deployment to the Persian Gulf. Clinton has also ordered an additional 2,500 Aquaboogie Amphibious Assault units to the Gulf, bringing the total P-Funk Nation military presence in the region to 23,000.

re: #161 ausador

Ok, you say that it is real, how about you cite me one unequivocal example then? Just one, I'll be waiting, but definitely not holding my breath.

I am not claiming we have it here, but it does exist & we don't want it here.

re: #145 windsagio

The issue comes from the usual suspects scaring up controversy about an Obama Apointee. See Charles above re: witch hunts.

To cheat; your position is the same one that was used a year ago to put up birther stories. "If there wasn't any problem, people wouldn't be talking about it!"

prove it...my position on the birth issue is archived...I speak for myself, so smearing me for something I never said or even alluded to is no better that those people smearing Lloyd...show me, the tools are right up top

re: #168 iceweasel

No blood for funk!

Yeah, those stations only play the same song over and over and over again. It's like Steve Miller only wrote one song.

re: #144 ausador

Kinda like how Al Qaeda bet that America just didn't have the stones to retaliate appropriately after 9/11. They bet that the "soft and decadent" Americans would not do anything major.

Yes, Dan'l Webster's dead — or, at least, they buried him. But every time there's a thunderstorm around Marshfield, they say you can hear his rolling voice in the hollows of the sky. And they say that if you go to his grave and speak loud and clear, "Dan'l Webster — Dan'l Webster!" the ground'll begin to shiver and the trees begin to shake. And after a while you'll hear a deep voice saying, "Neighbor, how stands the Union?" Then you better answer the Union stands as she stood, rock-bottomed and copper-sheathed, one and indivisible, or he's liable to rear right out of the ground. At least, that's what I was told when I was a youngster.

Dan'l for President!

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

So, let's talk. Make your case. I love discussions about WWII.

PIMF

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Another Hot Air commenter justifies killing the mother whose baby died in Virginia...

Disgusting. And none of these comments are being deleted. In fact, nobody even disapproves.

Instead, they spew hatred at me.

re: #159 brookly red

please forgive me if I just simply don't understand

His position as diversity officer means corporate diversity (not racial diversity, if that's what you're thinking) which means having more then one company controlling the air waves in a media market. It has nothing to do with 'government control' or putting his people in power (whatever that means). It's about breaking corporate monopolies. If there's more then one parent company in control of the media they are going to go into cohoots to perpetrate censorship. They will each run their media as they see fit. But they won't run it exactly the same so you'll have muliple sources. What if all america had was Fox News, Fox News radio, and the New Your Post. That's what a lot of regions in America have right now. One owner controlling all outlets.

re: #158 allegro

Someone is proposing a government oriented modern music station? Methinks I hear the notes of weird paranoia.

It sounds like Glenn Beck sobbing.

re: #170 albusteve

are metaphors hard for you?

I didn't say you took a birther position, I said your argument re: radio is akin to the methods used to stir up that 'controversy'.

re: #151 brookly red

I have family in Berlin, real enough? Now I am not saying this man is a bad man I am just saying that saying it couldn't happen here is naive.

re: #158 allegro

Someone is proposing a government oriented modern music station? Methinks I hear the notes of weird paranoia.

NOT Paranoia at All -

Gvernments HAVE done this Before - See: Rwanda,1994. Is THAT NOT ENOUGH? Pray Tell. Thank You.

-S-

re: #167 Killgore Trout

It's not happening here. Many things are possible not not all of them are happening. These are delusional fantasies. It's fiction. Sure, there are a few dopey lefties who'd love to see Glenn Beck taken off the air but smart lefties love Glenn Beck. He's a gift belong anything they could ever wish for. The only people who love Glenn Beck more than the wingnuts are the lefties.

Just for you, your gonna love it... someone today told me that Beck was a liberal plant to discredit conservatives.

re: #178 Dr. Shalit

NOT Paranoia at All -

Gvernments HAVE done this Before - See: Rwanda,1994. Is THAT NOT ENOUGH? Pray Tell. Thank You.

-S-

Rwanda? Come on. Clear Channel would never allow it.

/

re: #171 Gus 802

It's like Steve Miller only wrote one song.

Whoa, no shit. I mean, let's talk about what's REALLY important here! (No snark intended. I remember when radio stations actually played a variety of music.)

re: #177 windsagio

are metaphors hard for you?

I didn't say you took a birther position, I said your argument re: radio is akin to the methods used to stir up that 'controversy'.

yes, you are stretching semantically

re: #178 Dr. Shalit

NOT Paranoia at All -

Gvernments HAVE done this Before - See: Rwanda,1994. Is THAT NOT ENOUGH? Pray Tell. Thank You.

-S-

Yes.

The Media in the US/2009 is exactly like Rwanda/1994. Thanks for clarifying.

Evening lizards. The snow is beautiful outside with 10 inches on the ground already and much more to come. How is everyone?

re: #13 brookly red

OK I know, I know but you gotta admit the title Chief Diversity Officer does sound old school Soviet... couldn't they call him something else?

Old School Soviet never worried about diversity except on the occasional propaganda poster. Ethnic Russians got the good crap.

re: #181 allegro

Whoa, no shit. I mean, let's talk about what's REALLY important here! (No snark intended. I remember when radio stations actually played a variety of music.)

We get both kinds here in Lower Alabama.

re: #179 brookly red

Just for you, your gonna love it... someone today told me that Beck was a liberal plant to discredit conservatives.

Waterboard him!

re: #157 Gus 802

Well, just because I think Clear Channel K-Rok stations suck doesn't mean I'd want "government owned" music stations.

Don't you understand man, it's vanilla shake or red, white and blue shake. There is no other flavor.

re: #181 allegro

Whoa, no shit. I mean, let's talk about what's REALLY important here! (No snark intended. I remember when radio stations actually played a variety of music.)

It all counts. I was thinking specifically of the rock genre they play. At least they can play more than just the same songs over and over again.

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that, as Mandy hinted at, such schemes are often used by the left to hand control over to their own people.

Any evidence to back this up? Any examples of this happening? Because it doesn't even make any sense. The diversity requirement doesn't proactively hand over anything to anyone. It restricts monopolies or oligopolies from controlling local markets.

re: #23 Conservative Moonbat

Even if he does like Chavez I don't see how that interferes with his ability to do his job.

It doesn't exactly speak to a discerning mind...

re: #178 Dr. Shalit

Gvernments HAVE done this Before - See: Rwanda,1994. Is THAT NOT ENOUGH? Pray Tell. Thank You.

No doubt they have. Are there any such proposals HERE?

re: #175 recusancy

His position as diversity officer means corporate diversity (not racial diversity, if that's what you're thinking) which means having more then one company controlling the air waves in a media market. It has nothing to do with 'government control' or putting his people in power (whatever that means). It's about breaking corporate monopolies. If there's more then one parent company in control of the media they are going to go into cohoots to perpetrate censorship. They will each run their media as they see fit. But they won't run it exactly the same so you'll have muliple sources. What if all america had was Fox News, Fox News radio, and the New Your Post. That's what a lot of regions in America have right now. One owner controlling all outlets.

/well if you take the ratings of CNN, CSNBC, the NYT into consideration we could end up with only Fox.

re: #182 albusteve

Well its an utterly fallacious argument. The presence of discussion isn't cause for there to BE a discussion, and thats' what you said.

You can't say "When there's smoke, there's fire" when hundreds of folks are running around with smoke machines.

re: #165 windsagio

"This American Life" always makes me want to drive into a telephone pole tho'

I hate that fucking show. And NPR has started using that kind of, um, journalism in it's news programing.

re: #181 allegro

Whoa, no shit. I mean, let's talk about what's REALLY important here! (No snark intended. I remember when radio stations actually played a variety of music.)

I have an XM radio. Mucho variety on my radio.

Can Mark Lloyd do something about the "reality shows" polluting TV? That would be cool if he could get rid of those...well, except Project Runway.

re: #194 windsagio

Well its an utterly fallacious argument. The presence of discussion isn't cause for there to BE a discussion, and thats' what you said.

You can't say "When there's smoke, there's fire" when hundreds of folks are running around with smoke machines.

post what you know about Lloyd and quit chasing me around...show some links

re: #194 windsagio

Quotable.

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Old School Soviet never worried about diversity except on the occasional propaganda poster. Ethnic Russians got the good crap.

yes diversity has always been an empty title.

re: #195 Jeff In Ohio

I find it wierdly compelling, if simply awful.

"Best" story: The girl who immediately committed a crime at 18 so she could be in jail with her mother.

re: #196 NJDhockeyfan

The blog I was looking for is long gone (from like 2005), but the person in question got fired for actually playing a request, instead of sticking exactly to that hours playlist.

re: #198 albusteve

I'm not the one saying all these awful things about the guy.

As to the other thing, eh? I don't quite read what you mean.

re: #187 albusteve

Waterboard him!

actually I am going to take her for drinks tomorrow LOL

re: #202 windsagio

I'm not the one saying all these awful things about the guy.

As to the other thing, eh? I don't quite read what you mean.

I'm not saying awful things about the guy either...ask Charles the point of the post, not me

re: #98 Jaerik

I'm amazed by how US history continually seems to assume that we have a monopoly on intelligence.

Hell, most Americans still think the entire collective Japanese military complex woke up one morning and, completely apro pos of nothing, decided to bomb the hell out of a superior military power for shits and giggles.

It seemed like a good idea at the time...

re: #203 brookly red

actually I am going to take her for drinks tomorrow LOL

lucky her...

re: #180 Gus 802

Rwanda? Come on. Clear Channel would never allow it.

/

Gus802 -

You are correct - In the USA, so far - hopefully forever - AND - shold Things Change - "Follow the Money." 'Nuff Said?

-S-

The worst thing on NPR is the torturous crap variations they do to the All Things Considered theme.

re: #195 Jeff In Ohio

re: #206 albusteve

lucky her...

/awww don't be jealous

re: #201 windsagio

The blog I was looking for is long gone (from like 2005), but the person in question got fired for actually playing a request, instead of sticking exactly to that hours playlist.

Yeah, see, that's it. I remember calling in to an independently owned radio station with a request, talking to (Okay flirting) with the DJ who might play that request along with many others. Playing the music the listeners wanted to hear. Offbeat stuff often. Cool stuff. Not top 40 crap. I think these stations no longer exist outside of university stations.

re: #204 albusteve

my point is, I'm not making claims. You ARE making claims, if in a backhanded way.

there is reason to wonder where he stands, or there would be no issue

Burdon of proof is on you guys.

re: #181 allegro

Whoa, no shit. I mean, let's talk about what's REALLY important here! (No snark intended. I remember when radio stations actually played a variety of music.)

True story: I've done a lot of radio and was on the local Clear Channel promoting a CD (Gary Burbank's show - any Burbank fans? Howln' Blind Muddy Slim, uh huh). A good friend of mine was on the air down the hall on the classic rock station. He sticks his head in the door during a commercial on the AM show I was on to say 'hi' and I ask him 'Aren't you on the air? He replies "oh yea, had to take a shit, spinning Freebird".

So now you know 2 things about radio: 1) Freebird, besides being over played and an exquisite Al Kooper production, is the song DJ's spin when the gots to go to the crapper. 2) Program decisions, besides the shitty play lists, can be made at the local level even on the Cheap Channel.

So again. Where are the smoking guns? Who has turned over profitable stewards of the publicly owned airwaves to the leftys? What does diversity and local control REALLY mean?

re: #207 Dr. Shalit

Gus802 -

You are correct - In the USA, so far - hopefully forever - AND - shold Things Change - "Follow the Money." 'Nuff Said?

-S-

Right. My disgust with Clear Channel and the like doesn't extend into conspiracy theories. Things have changed over the years with technology and they're less important now. However, they need to be controlled and an occasional anti-trust lawsuit is always helpful.

re: #121 Charles

At least Joe McCarthy actually believed the hateful crap he espoused. The people promoting these smear jobs are in it only for themselves.

Suicide bombers made me miss the IRA.

And now I'm gonna start havin' to miss Joe McCarthy.

Ou est les écrous d'ailes d'antan?

A little review of the Fairness Doctrine. It was a Truman era FCC policy which was abandoned by Reagan. It required the holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was (in the Commission's view) honest, equitable and balanced.

Sounds dangerous.

Any West Coasters listen to Big Sonic Chill on 94.9 LA?

re: #209 brookly red

/awww don't be jealous

I can't ever get away...my laundry girls need constent attention...damn

re: #211 windsagio

my point is, I'm not making claims. You ARE making claims, if in a backhanded way.

Burdon of proof is on you guys.

OK, how about we just say that some on both sides would like to stifle all descent if they could... all we gotta do is watch em & make sure it never happens, yes?

Its mind boggling that the fair and balanced crowd find the word fairness terrifying.

re: #210 allegro

Interesting thing I remember from the same source (still looking! If you're interested, the station was KISW in Seattle)

DJs had something specific they had to do if they got a request call. They were allowed a certain number of substitutions in an hour, but only from a SMALL APPROVED LIST.

Anyways, if someone called in a request, the DJ would say 'well I'll try to get that in, in the mean time would you ask for XXX?' And then play the fake (acceptable) request on air, followed by the song.

re: #212 Jeff In Ohio

Sounds like some good ol' payola in that story too.

re: #215 Olsonist

A little review of the Fairness Doctrine. It was a Truman era FCC policy which was abandoned by Reagan. It required the holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was (in the Commission's view) honest, equitable and balanced.

Sounds dangerous.

It became a tool used by various agencies and groups to pound on those they wanted to silence. Its dead and I'm glad its gone.

re: #147 recusancy

They got what they wanted. Us stuck and spending resources like crazy in the Middle East.

Your giving them a lot more credit than they deserve, that wasn't their original intention. They honestly thought that we would not overthrow Afghanistan, they believed that they were save there. According to their own writings and admissions they believed that the worst that would happen was that we would lob a few missiles into Kabul.

Bush gave them a hugh present by involving Iraq in this regardless of the actual evidence, leaving Afghanistan as a languishing backwater. They could not have known that he would do that, it made no sense, it still does not, how could they have predicted nonsense?

Fancy Nancy is doing fine, thanks for asking. And her doll Lavinia Chandelier is good too. Have we come to agreement that it's good that the US built the bomb before Germany?

re: #219 beekiller

Its mind boggling that the fair and balanced crowd find the word fairness terrifying.

They are told to find it that way.

re: #208 Decatur Deb

The worst thing on NPR is the torturous crap variations they do to the All Things Considered theme.

heh. Do we have to pick just one thing to hate about NPR?

For my fellow haters of NPR, (and anyone looking for good nonmusic radio) I highly recommend BBC Radio 4, which you can livestream. Afternoon plays, short stories, science, history-- it's excellent.
Here's one of their science programs-- check it out:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist

Suicide bombers made me miss the IRA.

And now I'm gonna start havin' to miss Joe McCarthy.

Ou est les écrous d'ailes d'antan?

That's villonous.

re: #144 ausador

Kinda like how Al Qaeda bet that America just didn't have the stones to retaliate appropriately after 9/11. They bet that the "soft and decadent" Americans would not do anything major. I suppose it seemed like a safe bet after somalia, beirut, our african embassy bombings and the Cole bombing, all resulting in us running away instead of hitting back.

John Wayne syndrome. It's an American thing. You injure us, we underreact. Much like John Wayne--the neighbors rustle the cattle, and muddy the crick, and ride through town shootin', and John Wayne's character takes it all.

Then you do something totally unforgiveable, and we/Wayne come out shooting, and mad as hell, and totally deadly.

It scared the shit out of the Saudis after 9/11. You could hear it in all their public statements. They'd figured nothing much would go on happening, and then we went ninja berserker.

re: #146 Jeff In Ohio

I've read these articles. What is it people are afraid of? The Fairness Doctrine? Local control of radio? The commies taking control of the airwaves and preventing a fair airing of grievances?

Yes. That's what they're afraid of.

re: #218 brookly red

Sounds agreeable in concept, but I'm not sure how it relates to the current discussion ;)

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Funny thing is, EVERYONE agrees with you! Nobody credible (certainly nobody in radio or TV) wants the fairness doctrine back. Its a classic Limbaugh bugaboo. (Oh look we're actually being supressed! We're the victims here!)

re: #213 Gus 802

Right. My disgust with Clear Channel and the like doesn't extend into conspiracy theories. Things have changed over the years with technology and they're less important now. However, they need to be controlled and an occasional anti-trust lawsuit is always helpful.

The concern with Clear Channel really isn't radio anymore. People who wanted decent play list have the Internet and satellite now. It's more the vertical structuring they've been doing the last few years. ie. Radio/venues/ticket sales. In the 'market', they are getting shellacked. Take a look at their stock performance over the last 10 years. Dreadful. Ticker CCO.

re: #208 Decatur Deb

The worst thing on NPR is the torturous crap variations they do to the All Things Considered theme.

The most annoying thing about the interviews on NPR are the sounds the mic picks up besides the voice, including the phlegm slapping around in their mouths. It's like fingernails on a blackboard to me.

re: #230 Jeff In Ohio

The concern with Clear Channel really isn't radio anymore. People who wanted decent play list have the Internet and satellite now. It's more the vertical structuring they've been doing the last few years. ie. Radio/venues/ticket sales. In the 'market', they are getting shellacked. Take a look at their stock performance over the last 10 years. Dreadful. Ticker CCO.

I know. Let me look for some other corporation to pick on.

//

re: #220 windsagio

DJs had something specific they had to do if they got a request call. They were allowed a certain number of substitutions in an hour, but only from a SMALL APPROVED LIST.

Okay, still another admission of my advanced age. Back in the 60s, FM was considered "underground", and the stations were wonderful free-for-alls, at least in Chicago. The music we heard, the stuff they played - I heard Cheech & Chong for the first time on one of those FM stations, where I had to pull the car over to the side cuz I was laughing so hard - it was adventurous, open, available to all. That's what I miss with the corporate owned BS of today.

re: #178 Dr. Shalit

NOT Paranoia at All -

Gvernments HAVE done this Before - See: Rwanda,1994. Is THAT NOT ENOUGH? Pray Tell. Thank You.

-S-

No. It's not. We're not Rwanda, and there is no indication, thanks be to God, that we are headed that way.

re: #229 windsagio

Sounds agreeable in concept, but I'm not sure how it relates to the current discussion ;)

simple, eternal vigilance there is no harm in watching the watchers.

re: #231 NJDhockeyfan

The most annoying thing about the interviews on NPR are the sounds the mic picks up besides the voice, including the phlegm slapping around in their mouths. It's like fingernails on a blackboard to me.

pssst, the lil button that says off...

re: #169 brookly red

I am not claiming we have it here, but it does exist & we don't want it here.

Lmao, always with the same dodge, "well other countries allow censorship so it could happen here any day too."

Sure, just as soon as the Constitution is overthrown, the Supreme Court Justices are executed, all the ACLU lawyers are thrown into prison, and all the 350 million+ guns in this country are confisticated...why it could even happen tomorrow.

Call me when you wake up from your fantasy and have an honest gripe that has a possibility of actually happening.

re: #200 brookly red

yes diversity has always been an empty title.

Diversity is not a title. It is a fact of life in modern societies.

re: #233 allegro

Short clip.

[Link: www.spike.com...]

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Again, any evidence?

All Hail The Death Of Radio
Clear Channel suffers and rock radio is gasping its last and, more importantly, does anyone care?

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Wednesday, March 2, 2005

Corporate radio sucketh, whole and large and true.

We know this. Everyone knows this. There is not a single person out there right now who is listening to any of the one zillion lifeless Clear Channel or Infinity-owned rock stations anywhere in the nation who is saying to themselves, gosh this KLOG station is just exceptionally good and clever and smart and plays amazingly fresh music and makes me want to listen all the time and oh my God I am so going to pick up the phone right now and try to be the 157th caller so I can win tickets to go see Dave Matthews live in Portland! Woo!

...

re: #239 Decatur Deb

LOL! One of my favorite shows of all times.

re: #226 Decatur Deb

That's villonous.

:)

re: #237 ausador

Lmao, always with the same dodge, "well other countries allow censorship so it could happen here any day too."

Sure, just as soon as the Constitution is overthrown, the Supreme Court Justices are executed, all the ACLU lawyers are thrown into prison, and all the 350 million+ guns in this country are confisticated...why it could even happen tomorrow.

Call me when you wake up from your fantasy and have an honest gripe that has a possibility of actually happening.

'we don't want it here' is hardly a fantasy...you are over reacting a bit

OT - I'm ready for Apocalypse Snow. It started about a half hour ago. I didn't go grocery shopping after work. The only thing I needed was a refill of my dog's medicine. I could have gotten it tomorrow, but I decided to get it tonight.

My brother is out of town for the weekend and he brought his dog over. It was nice to come home to two dogs. They'll have fun in the snow tomorrow. He left about a third of a bottle of Makers Mark for me when he brought the dog, and that will help with the shut-in weekend.

I'm watching Fawlty Towers on netflix (haven't watched it for years and I'm loving it.) I think I have six episodes left.

I have food (including lots of homemade chili), booze, dogs, dvds and books. What else could I need?

re: #239 Decatur Deb

+ for WKRP

re: #241 Gus 802

Clear Channel suffers and rock radio is gasping its last and, more importantly, does anyone care?

Exactly.

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Old School Soviet never worried about diversity except on the occasional propaganda poster. Ethnic Russians got the good crap.

SF Zionist -

ABSOTUTLEY CORRECT. The Soviet CP disowned all of the Jewish Radicals that put them in power - THEN WORSE - Persecuted them.
The USSR is THE WORST MISTAKE that Jewish People have EVER Made, Individually or as a People. Disclaimer - I Have Relaties, on my Mother's Side, in Moscow, Russian Federtaion - On my Dad's Side, they were all killed by the Nazis in the Baltic States during WW II. Schalit is from my dad's side, between WW I and II. Discussion?

-S-

So the guy says this:

In Venezuela, with Chavez, is really an incredible revolution - a democratic revolution. To begin to put in place things that are going to have an impact on the people of Venezuela.

The property owners and the folks who then controlled the media in Venezuela rebelled - worked, frankly, with folks here in the U.S. government - worked to oust him. But he came back with another revolution, and then Chavez began to take very seriously the media in his country.

This sounds like a guy who thinks Hugo is cool. Maybe so maybe not, but is he the only guy in the entire country to fill this role? Maybe put in someone else who isn't on record saying stuff that makes it seem like Hugo Chavez strategery makes good policy. Worst case scenario: Sorry for the misunderstanding Mark.

re: #246 windsagio

+ for WKRP

In Cincinnati! “As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.”

re: #229 windsagio

Sounds agreeable in concept, but I'm not sure how it relates to the current discussion ;)

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Funny thing is, EVERYONE agrees with you! Nobody credible (certainly nobody in radio or TV) wants the fairness doctrine back. Its a classic Limbaugh bugaboo. (Oh look we're actually being supressed! We're the victims here!)

That's the exasperating part. There is no way to prove a negative, which is why the Fairness Doctrine thing can't be put to rest. Sure, this guy says he's not planning to reinstate it, but that's what he would say, isn't it?

re: #235 brookly red

I'm updinging you because I completely agree that freedom of speech needs to be protected, which is one reason why I'm a card-carrying member of the ACLU.

That being said, the rightwing fantasy swirling around Mark lloyd bears no relation to reality. I'd take some of the screamers a little more seriously as people if they ever exhibited genuine concern over genuine first amendment right violations, but when they're not raving about ObamaMediaIndustrialComplexFairnessDoctrine crap, they're generally claiming the ACLU is a commie-atheist plot of some sort. (not that you're one of those people)

re: #245 Mad Al-Jaffee

Duh, an internet connection and LGF!

re: #237 ausador

Lmao, always with the same dodge, "well other countries allow censorship so it could happen here any day too."

Sure, just as soon as the Constitution is overthrown, the Supreme Court Justices are executed, all the ACLU lawyers are thrown into prison, and all the 350 million+ guns in this country are confisticated...why it could even happen tomorrow.

Call me when you wake up from your fantasy and have an honest gripe that has a possibility of actually happening.

call you? I think not, I have no fantasy, I have no gripe. I do however a gaze. salut mon ami, it' ; s été vrai

re: #241 Gus 802

All Hail The Death Of Radio
Clear Channel suffers and rock radio is gasping its last and, more importantly, does anyone care?

Yes. The Communist intent on seizing the means of production and the Genocidal maniacs who are going to kill your neighbors. We must plan accordingly!