Palin Twitters About Climate Change

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Sarah Palin is sharing her bizarre views on climate change with the world via Twitter: Sarah Palin (SarahPalinUSA) on Twitter.

These little tweets are more revealing than Palin knows; it’s clear that her objections to climate change stem from her radical religious right view that mankind cannot affect God’s creation, and should not even try.

Copenhgen=arrogance of man2think we can change nature’s ways.MUST b good stewards of God’s earth,but arrogant&naive2say man overpwers nature

Another tweet reiterates her scientifically ignorant view that humans are not causing global warming.

Earth saw clmate chnge4 ions;will cont 2 c chnges.R duty2responsbly devlop resorces4humankind/not pollute&destroy;but cant alter naturl chng

“Ions.” Good grief.

Well, at least it’s believable that she actually wrote this stuff herself.

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326 comments
1 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:19:44pm

Palin twitters all the time. ooooh, the social net thing.
///

2 recusancy  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:20:00pm

Eons? But the earth is only 6,000 years old right? ///

3 OneMonkeysUncle  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:20:25pm

AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!

Sorry, my brain exploded from teh stoopids while I was trying to type a comment...

4 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:20:26pm

Writing in text speak like this isn't going to boost her image as an intellectual. She looks like a teenager.

5 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:21:22pm

Policy via Web 2.0

Teh suck.

6 Girth  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:21:31pm
arrogant&naive2say man overpwers nature

One could argue that it is arrogant, but sorry, the naive point of view is that man couldn't possibly affect nature.

7 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:22:31pm

I think it's kind of arrogant to think you can effect policy with Tweets.

8 recusancy  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:23:19pm

I guess burning oil, gas, and coal is not polluting and destroying in her mind.

9 freetoken  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:24:43pm

From the tweet:

Earth saw clmate chnge4 ions

Setting aside the interesting issues of whether the Earth has eyes by which to see, or that the Earth has, not too dissimilar to Pagan ideas about the planet, a cognitive ability, the question remains whether indeed there has been climate change for ions.

Turns out there has been. The lowered pH of the ocean is directly due to ions, as everyone knows from their high school chemistry that pH is a description of a substance based on the H⁺ ions in the solution. By adding CO2 to the atmosphere, man has indeed changed the lives of ions in the ocean!

But it is also true that over the eons that the ions in the ocean have changed with climate, ocean pH has changed over time, and there are many interesting corners of geology that try to understand the earth in the earlier periods, when the oceans were quite different.

Let's hear it for the ions!

10 Girth  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:25:57pm

re: #8 recusancy

I guess burning oil, gas, and coal is not polluting and destroying in her mind.

Well, you see, God put those things here for us to burn.

OK, I'll go along with that.

Now can we legalize pot?

11 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:26:55pm

re: #10 Girth

Hah!

12 Drogheda  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:27:04pm

re: #10 Girth

Now can we legalize pot?

No! That's the devil's weed. It makes you like his music. ////

13 brookly red  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:28:14pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

Writing in text speak like this isn't going to boost her image as an intellectual. She looks like a teenager.

It may be politically shrewd actually to write off intellectuals & aim for the hip instead.

14 Girth  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:28:21pm

re: #12 Drogheda

No! That's the devil's weed. It makes you like his music. ///

That dude can play a mean fiddle, dontcha know...

15 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:28:23pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

Writing in text speak like this isn't going to boost her image as an intellectual.

Not even an issue for her die-hard fans. It may even be a "plus".

16 Mark Winter  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:28:46pm

"arrogance of man2think we can change nature’s ways"

As a matter of fact, we can. A thermonuclear war between NATO and the Warsaw Treaty would have changed nature for the next million years or so.

We can change nature in the most negative ways possible. We are doing it right now. Why shouldn't we be able to do the opposite, too?

And why should God/Nature be angry because we're using HIS/HER sun and HIS/HER wind and stop polluting HIS/HER earth?

Just asking

17 freetoken  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:29:08pm

The Sarah seems to be overlooking, in her claim that man can't affect "nature" (which, again, is a tinge of Paganism given how she has now set up "nature" as supreme over humans), are all the changes humans have had on the biosphere.

The extinction of many species are directly attributable to humans. The extinction of many more species can indirectly be attributed to humans.

Humans have transported species from one location to another on the globe, the end location being totally new territory for invasive species.

18 Drogheda  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:29:34pm

re: #14 Girth

That dude can play a mean fiddle, dontcha know...

Johnny says different.

19 elizajane  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:30:39pm

Arrogant and naive to say that man can overpower nature? You've got to be kidding. You know about technology, Sarah? It's all those many ways in which man uses, alters, changes, and yes overpowers nature. From hydroelectric dams to genetic engineering, we alter nature all the time here on earth. So is it just the atmosphere that is immune from our interference? Like, we can poison rivers but not skies?
Ack! I can't stand it!

20 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:30:43pm

It's all over the right wing blogs now that "Lord" Monckton was assaulted by police in Copenhagen.

Source for the claim? Alex Jones. Nobody on the right even blinks at Alex Jones any more. They've accepted this freak as one of their own.

21 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:30:48pm

Ionic!

22 brookly red  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:31:14pm

re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth

Not even an issue for her die-hard fans. It may even be a "plus".

txt spk is becoming an accepted form of communication, we will be seeing more of it.

23 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:33:08pm

Palin's view that mankind can't affect God's handiwork is exactly the same rationalization used by James Inhofe, Joe Barton, and several other Republican climate deniers.

It's not at all about the science for these people -- their objections are based on religion.

24 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:33:53pm

re: #22 brookly red

we will be seeing more of it.

Perhaps, but not from anyone that should be even remotely taken seriously.
/srsly

25 freetoken  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:34:08pm

re: #20 Charles

It's Monckton's claim, I believe, Jones is just repeating it. I could have sworn that I saw an entry by Monckton at some denialist site last night, but I was too sleepy... and I closed the window with out bookmarking... argh.

26 recusancy  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:34:11pm

re: #22 brookly red

txt spk is becoming an accepted form of communication, we will be seeing more of it.

But only accepted if the txt spkr is known to be able to speak in intelligible long form as well.

27 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:34:34pm

re: #23 Charles

It's not at all about the science for these people -- their objections are based on religion willful ignorance stupidity. That makes them righteous.

28 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:34:38pm

I was hoping at first that she would be much better than this.

29 Lidane  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:35:46pm

re: #20 Charles

Source for the claim? Alex Jones. Nobody on the right even blinks at Alex Jones any more. They've accepted this freak as one of their own.

*sigh*

It was bad enough when that nutjob was confined to local radio and public access TV here in Austin. The fact that Jones and his insane ranting is taken on faith by anyone blows my mind.

30 tradewind  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:35:48pm

re: #19 elizajane
Man can certainly affect nature, but to say that we can ' conquer ' it is a little specious. Next time an F-5 tornado comes rolling down our way, I'd be only too happy to have some anthropomorphic intervention, but I'm not holding my breath.
And until we figure out how to put a cork in an erupting volcano, we can't really claim mastery over emissions.///

31 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:35:53pm

re: #23 Charles

Odd, also, the disconnect between man and nature in their attitude; as if we were not ourselves a part of nature.

32 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:35:55pm

re: #28 Ojoe

I was hoping at first that she would be much better than this.

A massive disappointment, and an embarrassment to Goldwater republicans everywhere.

33 Irenicum  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:36:21pm

re: #23 Charles

A religion of which I'm not very familiar.

34 Egregious Philbin  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:36:29pm

Slightly OT

Fed up Freeper quits the site, calls out the nutcases

35 Locker  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:36:29pm

Nstd 0f takn care 0f d cash n prayn a d envir0nmnt
y n0t take care 0f d envir0nmnt n pray 4 cash

36 Basho  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:36:33pm

IONS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHA

37 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:36:45pm

I don't think Palin can claim "Typo" here because even on a phone keyboard the letters "I" and "E" are pressed with opposing thumbs...

38 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:36:56pm

re: #28 Ojoe

You and me both, Ojoe. You and me both.

:sigh:

39 brookly red  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:36:59pm

re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth

Perhaps, but not from anyone that should be even remotely taken seriously.
/srsly

The message may be wrong but the delivery is the way of the future.

40 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:37:14pm

re: #30 tradewind

The building code has provisions for earthquakes and hurricanes, but none for tornados.

All bets are off with a tornado.

41 Lidane  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:37:44pm

re: #28 Ojoe

I was hoping at first that she would be much better than this.

You had far more faith in her than she deserved.

42 tradewind  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:38:35pm

re: #33 Irenicum
I had twelve years of girls' school that was church-affiliated and not once was the theory of evolution questioned in my science classes.... and yes, we had bible classes as well. There was no conflict.
I think when specifying ' religious ' groups, it might be wise to narrow the definition a little. Most mainstream Christian religions have no problem with evolution as science.

43 tradewind  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:39:21pm

re: #40 Ojoe
They're doing a brisk business in safe rooms around these parts, some retrofitted, some in new construction that are supposed to withstand them.

44 Mark Winter  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:39:34pm

LOL Lord Monckton...

I have actually met him in early December in Berlin. Almost as bizarre as Inhofe, just more eccentric. He does lose his temper a lot though. No British stiff upper lip. Wouldn't be surprised if he insulted a policeman and got a reply.

45 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:39:43pm

re: #34 Egregious Philbin

Geez, how about the comment just beneath that one:


"Can you put me in touch with a committed miltia group — and I don’t mean a bunch of overgrown boy scouts or nut jobs?"
46 Irenicum  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:40:04pm

re: #31 Ojoe

That's an excellent point you raise. I hear that kind of dichotomist thinking all the time. It's basically anti-material and deeply gnostic, yet it swims in popular "Christian" culture unimpeded. Gah!

47 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:40:51pm

re: #43 tradewind

That's one strong building then !

48 brookly red  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:41:05pm

re: #45 Slumbering Behemoth

Geez, how about the comment just beneath that one:

gee didn't some folks just recently get busted for the same thing...

49 tradewind  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:42:19pm

re: #47 Ojoe
Haven't seen one, but have read articles in the local rag about them. They're not nearly as expensive as you'd think.... they run around eight to twelve thousand dollars.
Not a lot of basements down here, so they might be worth looking into.

50 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:42:21pm
arrogant&naive2say man overpwers nature

Palin can't be that ignorant, can she? If not then she sure is one of the most dishonest wannabes around.

I'll be kind and go with number one.

51 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:42:24pm

re: #45 Slumbering Behemoth

This militia might work out

Might be just the thing for this guy.

//

52 dugmartsch  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:42:31pm

How does past climate change square with her understanding that the world is 6K years old? How does the word Eon square with that understanding? I totally do not get these people.

53 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:42:35pm

re: #31 Ojoe

Odd, also, the disconnect between man and nature in their attitude; as if we were not ourselves a part of nature.

The same dichotomy runs on the left as well, I consider skyscrapers every bit as natural an outcome of our social evolution as beaver dams, anthills, bird's nests, and termite mounds are for those species.

54 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:42:50pm

re: #48 brookly red

Was there a "militia" busted recently, or something?

55 tradewind  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:43:25pm

re: #34 Egregious Philbin
Now THERE's a flounce you can wrap your arms around.

56 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:44:00pm
57 Irenicum  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:44:23pm

re: #42 tradewind

In the far right Christian sub culture that I lived in for 12 years you might as well have equated evolution with the antichrist. Thankfully, in more traditional and mainstream versions you're right. And for that I'm extremely grateful.

58 Drogheda  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:44:50pm

re: #47 Ojoe

That's one strong building then !

I heard about those saferooms some time ago. I believe they're basically a large closet constructed of concrete/rebar or cinderblock reinforced with rebar and filled with concrete. Basically just a small above-ground bunker/storm cellar.

59 fizzlogic  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:45:02pm

re: #34 Egregious Philbin

Anyone that hung around that shit hole since the Schiavo affair doesn't win much respect from me.

60 brookly red  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:45:16pm

re: #54 Slumbering Behemoth

Was there a "militia" busted recently, or something?

Substitute the words al Quada for militia & you see what I mean... but who knows maybe the poster is phishing for the FBI?

61 Lidane  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:45:57pm

re: #34 Egregious Philbin

Slightly OT

Fed up Freeper quits the site, calls out the nutcases

I wonder how long it will take for her to be flamed as a RINO and an evil librul terrarist.

62 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:46:21pm

re: #60 brookly red

Ah, ok. I did not make that connection on first read. I see your point.

63 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:46:31pm

OK I will say AM Radio

64 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:47:30pm

Dang. Looked away for a few seconds and 56 was gone. Never even saw it.

65 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:47:40pm

Caribou Barbie Strikes Again.

That was painful to read. Or rather, it was painful to make the attempt to read it.

66 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:48:36pm

re: #34 Egregious Philbin

Slightly OT

Fed up Freeper quits the site, calls out the nutcases

Future Lizard?

67 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:49:45pm

re: #46 Irenicum

Ahem: Yes it swims unimpeded, and if you want to hear it & other weirdness as well, such as that Catholics aren't Christians because they "worship Mary", just tune in to some of the AM radio stations on your dial.

68 Four More Tears  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:50:06pm

re: #66 Pawn of the Oppressor

Future Lizard?

Damn. She was there for five years.

69 freetoken  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:50:37pm

BTW, don't know if anybody caught this, but 3 days ago Dr. Hansen penned a short essay:

The Temperature of Science [PDF]

which goes into a bit about "Climategate", the lessons he has learned from gathering temperature records from various sources, etc.

Interesting opening section:

Fast forward to December 2009, when I gave a talk at the Progressive Forum in Houston
Texas. The organizers there felt it necessary that I have a police escort between my hotel and the
forum where I spoke. Days earlier bloggers reported that I was probably the hacker who broke
into East Anglia computers and stole e-mails. Their rationale: I was not implicated in any of the
pirated e-mails, so I must have eliminated incriminating messages before releasing the hacked emails.

The next day another popular blog concluded that I deserved capital punishment. Web
chatter on this topic, including indignation that I was coming to Texas, led to a police escort.

How did we devolve to this state? Any useful lessons? Is there still interesting science in
analyses of surface temperature change? Why spend time on it, if other groups are also doing it?
First I describe the current monthly updates of global surface temperature at the Goddard
Institute for Space Studies. Then I show graphs illustrating scientific inferences and issues.
Finally I respond to questions in the above paragraph. [...]

70 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:52:25pm

re: #64 Rightwingconspirator

It was me. I think a filter caught a phrase. but I restated my thought in No. 67.

71 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:53:09pm

re: #34 Egregious Philbin

Slightly OT

Fed up Freeper quits the site, calls out the nutcases

Wow, that's quite some rant.

72 Irenicum  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:55:12pm

re: #67 Ojoe

Been there, done that. AM religious broadcasting is a truly bizarre experience. Honestly, when I was a teen, I used to listen to AM all the time, esp. late at night. I was a big time DXer. The later at night it got, the crazier the programming got. I found it vastly entertaining. I no longer consider what I listened to for entertainment to be entertaining. Now it's dangerous because it's become the mainstream. I never thought that shit would ever be something elected officials and national TV/radio hosts would be spewing out on a daily basis. Bizarre indeed. And scary.

73 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:55:13pm
...at least it’s believable that she actually wrote this stuff herself.

You're too kind with her. It's absurd that someone who wants to be President actually spreads her ignorance around via Twitter, with the spelling (I know, I know, abbreviated spelling is popular with texting, I do it too) of an illiterate adult. All I'm saying is that (IMO) it looks bad (ignorance aside).

74 Girth  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:55:21pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

One can only hope that some people over there read it and think about it for more than two seconds.

75 Semper Fi  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:56:43pm

re: #28 Ojoe

I was hoping at first that she would be much better than this.

Yes. I never said so out loud but seekretly I thought she could improve if her handlers made her sit thru all the Geena Davis (President Mackenzie Allen) episodes about 10 times.

76 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:56:44pm

Wow: Undersea Volcano Video...

Youtube Video
77 Egregious Philbin  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:56:51pm

There is a 3000 post rant over there from last week where the founder proclaims that FR is a Fringe Christian site, then they banned all the evolutionists.

Then it got ugly with the anti Catholic and anti Mormon crowd demanding more blood.

It truly is a hate site.

78 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:58:03pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Wow, that's quite some rant.

Yup. And that is a poster who not only praises Palin and Reagan in the same breath, but apparently is an AGW sceptic, too. That site must be ca-ca-crazee, to run someone like that off with its content.

79 reine.de.tout  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:58:22pm

re: #34 Egregious Philbin

Slightly OT

Fed up Freeper quits the site, calls out the nutcases

Oh, golly!
Makes me so very very glad to be HERE.

80 windsagio  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:58:58pm

re: #34, etc

I'd never heard the term Talibornagain before, I think thats a keeper!

81 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 3:59:41pm

re: #70 Ojoe

Well the point about am radio is dead on.

82 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:01:24pm

re: #76 Thanos

Wow: Undersea Volcano Video...


[Video]

Cool, isn't it?

Science!

83 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:01:30pm

re: #80 windsagio

Have you seen Talibangelist?

84 windsagio  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:01:56pm

re: #83 Rightwingconspirator

never even heard of it!

Link?

85 Egregious Philbin  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:02:44pm

re: #80 windsagio

re: #34, etc

I'd never heard the term Talibornagain before, I think thats a keeper!

I've been using it for years...its quite the shocker.

86 ignoranceisfatal  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:03:01pm

re: #85 Egregious Philbin

I've been using it for years...its quite the shocker.

Urbandictionary

87 Four More Tears  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:03:11pm

re: #81 Rightwingconspirator

Well the point about am radio is dead on.

Youtube Video
88 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:03:50pm

re: #84 windsagio

None. Just a derisive term I have heard then used elsewhere to denigrate the militant theocrats.

89 freetoken  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:04:15pm

More from Hansen's essay:

The nature of messages that I receive from the public, and the fact that NASA
Headquarters received more than 2500 inquiries in the past week about our possible
“manipulation” of global temperature data, suggest that the concerns are more political than
scientific. Perhaps the messages are intended as intimidation, expected to have a chilling effect
on researchers in climate change.

The recent “success” of climate contrarians in using the pirated East Anglia e-mails to
cast doubt on the reality of global warming* seems to have energized other deniers. I am now
inundated with broad FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests for my correspondence, with
substantial impact on my time and on others in my office. I believe these to be fishing
expeditions, aimed at finding some statement(s), likely to be taken out of context, which they
would attempt to use to discredit climate science.

Yes, the flaming of the "climategate" scandal is a full on attack on scientists.

90 windsagio  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:04:57pm

re: #88 Rightwingconspirator

re: #85 Egregious Philbin

Man, I HATE being out of the loop!

sorry for the distraction >

91 erraticsphinx  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:07:47pm

re: #89 freetoken

Which explains why the far right is so proud of it.

92 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:08:08pm
93 ignoranceisfatal  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:08:12pm

re: #89 freetoken


Yes, the flaming of the "climategate" scandal is a full on attack on scientists.

If all branches of science were subjected to this amount of intrusiveness, a lot of important work would grind to a halt.

I hypothesize that the net effect of anti-AGW obstructionist efforts has been to delay climatological research by months, if not years.

94 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:10:00pm

re: #93 ignoranceisfatal

I hypothesize that the net effect of anti-AGW obstructionist efforts has been to delay climatological research by months, if not years.

Unlikely. The obstructionist nonsense, i.e. demanding research notes, etc. is handed off to grad students. They're really useful that way. :)

95 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:10:02pm

re: #31 Ojoe

You have to remember that they didn't come from no monkeys.

//

96 Semper Fi  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:10:18pm

Nice to sit a spell poring over so many sensible posts on LGF before the Saints game.
Hope everyone had a lovely afternoon.

97 [deleted]  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:10:27pm
98 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:10:49pm

Umm - seeing deletions upthread -- I saw one of them prior and suspect that some don't understand that racial slurs get deleted here.

99 RealismRox  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:11:32pm

These twitter comments are good examples of the Christian fundamentalist view of climate change. I wonder how it is that all of her fans can't see that there is no way she wrote her book, writes her posts on facebook or her newspaper op-eds. It's just so obvious, compare what she says on twitter to anything published.

100 freetoken  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:11:44pm

re: #93 ignoranceisfatal

There are certain areas of science that are targeted by the culture warriors. Unlike evolutionary biology, climatology is a relatively small field in which the number researchers are perhaps counted in the thousands.

101 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:12:59pm

re: #52 dugmartsch

How does past climate change square with her understanding that the world is 6K years old? How does the word Eon square with that understanding? I totally do not get these people.

Palin is a YEC? I didn't think so.

102 freetoken  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:13:03pm

re: #97 Sheldon

Ooohhh... just flounce away.

Or, you might take a moment and try to understand what is being discussed here... but that might be too much to ask of you.

103 reine.de.tout  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:13:18pm

re: #67 Ojoe

Ahem: Yes it swims unimpeded, and if you want to hear it & other weirdness as well, such as that Catholics aren't Christians because they "worship Mary", just tune in to some of the AM radio stations on your dial.

I caught one of those stations once, driving home very late one night.
It was scary.

104 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:14:57pm

re: #103 reine.de.tout

I caught one of those stations once, driving home very late one night.
It was scary.

AFR=AFA, they are rabid haters of teh gay, and sometimes the Pope and all Catholics although they are working to make that less pronounced now that they've allied with the Buchanan brigaders.

105 Girth  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:15:32pm

re: #96 Semper Fi

Nice to sit a spell poring over so many sensible posts on LGF before the Saints game.
Hope everyone had a lovely afternoon.

Thanks for reminding me there was a game tonight.

106 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:16:20pm

re: #103 reine.de.tout

I caught one of those stations once, driving home very late one night.
It was scary.

It isn't just radio. One night when my cable went out, I was flipping around regular network type TV and the UHF channels. Landed on a religious (I guess) channel and a Mr. Rogers type sounding guy was spouting the most violent, bloody Armageddon stuff. It flat freaked me out.

107 Digital Display  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:16:23pm

re: #98 Thanos

Umm - seeing deletions upthread -- I saw one of them prior and suspect that some don't understand that racial slurs get deleted here.

I'm very proud of Charles of not putting up with racial slurs at LGF.
I feel very comfortable here.

108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:16:43pm

OT: Slap this into a search engine and see what comes up.

cpac 2010 "john birch"

Thank you Charles for keeping us informed about the crazy stupid out there.

109 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:17:17pm

re: #100 freetoken

Climatology is on the hit list. It believes that the Earth is old. And presumably some of the studies have been done using ice cores, or series of tree rings that go too far back for their taste. Presumably a little googling will turn up some sort of denial article explaining (or trying to explain) how the ice core (or tree rings) are being mis-interpreted or faked.

When the attacks really started creeping over into geology I occasionally forwarded links to my brother (who is a geosciences professor). He asked me to stop since he didn't have the time to deal with that sort of nonsense, and also said that he went through that set of arguments one/twice a term with students in some of his classes.

110 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:18:19pm

re: #79 reine.de.tout

Oh, golly!
Makes me so very very glad to be HERE.

Makes me wonder though; what does one call a good flounce?

111 metrolibertarian  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:19:00pm

If Obama, Hillary, John Kerry, Al Gore, etc. wrote as stupidly on their twitter pages (assuming they all have one) as Palin does, how do you think Michelle Malkin and the Hot Air crowd would react? This is writing I'd expect from an 12 year old girl's personal blog dedicated to Laguna Beach and The Hills, not a 40something year old grandmother.

And the 140 character limit is no excuse.

112 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:19:50pm

re: #107 HoosierHoops

I'm very proud of Charles of not putting up with racial slurs at LGF.
I feel very comfortable here.

So what are you then? Swedish?

113 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:20:42pm

re: #111 metrolibertarian

This is writing I'd expect from an 12 year old girl's personal blog dedicated to Laguna Beach and The Hills, not a 40something year old grandmother.

Palin reminds me of one of those people who never progressed beyond high school where she was a pretty basketball star. Trying regain her glory years.

114 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:23:04pm

re: #99 RealismRox

it doesn't really matter whether she wrote her book,or authored her comments,the important thing is,she must have approved them.

115 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:23:07pm

Actually, she didn't say (or is it twit) that mankind can't affect God's creation.
She said that mankind can't change nature (written it twice).

She did say that man has to take care of "God's earth" which is just a manner of speaking. Not unlike the current VP, presumably a Global Warming proponent (God love'im), who insert the word God once in a while in a sentence. He's not exactly a radical Christianist , now is he?

What she said seems perfectly reasonable to me:
Climate changed/ will change. Nothing mankind can do about it. Mankind better do what he can to take care of the environment and mankind's wellbeing- develop resources and keep it clean.

Can't see what's wrong with that.
Oh, and as somebody mentioned, the fact that she believes climate has changed for "ions" kinda contradicts that she's a radical literalist/creationist, no?

116 RealismRox  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:23:25pm

Just thinking some more about this, I wonder if she believes that nuclear weapons can cause climate change. Or would thinking that be arrogance that man can overpower nature.

117 metrolibertarian  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:23:51pm

re: #113 allegro

Palin reminds me of one of those people who never progressed beyond high school where she was a pretty basketball star. Trying regain her glory years.

She writes like she didn't progress beyond elementary school. My friends' stoned Facebook status updates aren't as stupid as the things she writes apparently sober.

118 Digital Display  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:24:42pm

re: #112 Naso Tang

So what are you then? Swedish?

Does it matter? I was adopted by a German Catholic family when I was 12 years old...I have never met my birth parents...I live not knowing my medical or family history..What more do you want you know my friend? Cause..It's not pretty...

119 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:24:49pm

American Family Radio is affiliated with AFA, and runs initiatives like the "personhood ammendment" in Mississippi - a ballot initiative that defines person as starting at moment of conception. They hope to make it a federal case thereafter if the initiative succeeds. So expect a lot more outrage like the Ed Morrisey lie to come between now and February.

120 RealismRox  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:25:14pm

re: #114 Boondock St. Bender

Well, there are people who like to take her writing and then give her credit for changing the debate around an issue (death panels w/ hcr). She just gets more credit than she deserves and I think it's unfair.

121 Girth  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:25:47pm

re: #113 allegro

Palin reminds me of one of those people who never progressed beyond high school where she was a pretty basketball star. Trying regain her glory years.

Ha!

You reminded me of a buddy of mine who inevitably would start talking about something he did playing high school football. My best friend and I would always look at each other and start singing Glory Days.

122 brookly red  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:25:55pm

re: #113 allegro

Palin reminds me of one of those people who never progressed beyond high school where she was a pretty basketball star. Trying regain her glory years.

Well to be fair she was a Governor, VP candidate & lord only know what she is up to now. Kinda did a lot more that most high school ball players no?

123 erraticsphinx  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:27:04pm

How dumb do you have to be to not only think like that...but also to display it for all to see?

Apparently, Sarah Palin level dumb.

124 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:27:11pm

re: #115 danS
depends on what she meant by "ions".(does she know the meaning of the word?was it a mispelling of eons?does she know the meaning of the word eons?)

125 Randall Gross  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:27:16pm

re: #119 Thanos

I haven't looked close but I'm wondering if a Hard Socon is endangered in the primary in MS.

126 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:28:53pm

re: #115 danS

Humans can affect natural processes, even on a global scale, as has already been pointed out.

She said a bunch of idiocy, and she said it badly.

127 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:28:55pm

re: #118 HoosierHoops

Does it matter? I was adopted by a German Catholic family when I was 12 years old...I have never met my birth parents...I live not knowing my medical or family history..What more do you want you know my friend? Cause..It's not pretty...

Well, from your earlier comment it seemed you might want to bring something up, meaning you have felt unwelcome somewhere because of race issues. I can only say that you seem to fit very well here and none of that could change through appearance, but I think we all try to build a mental picture of each other over time.

Nothing I need to press further.

128 Randy W. Weeks  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:30:07pm

Never tweet drunk.

129 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:30:35pm

re: #124 Boondock St. Bender

I assume she knows the meaning of the word "ions" just as I assumed then that GWB knew the meaning of the word "nucilar"

130 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:31:00pm

re: #120 RealismRox
I can definately agree with that.never have so many hopes been pinned on someone with such little reason for faith in them.

131 brookly red  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:31:03pm

re: #128 LoneStarSpur

Never tweet drunk.

/TWI ?

132 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:31:05pm

re: #125 Thanos

I haven't looked close but I'm wondering if a Hard Socon is endangered in the primary in MS.

The theo-cons are trying to move in on the tea party people. I linked a story in the spinoffs concerning one with deep RR ties.

133 Neutral President  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:31:41pm

Oh this is epic... too bad Cato isn't here.

Infhoe pwns teh kommiez@UN. Gorebull warmign death panlez FTL. Dems L2econamiks SRSLY!!1!ONE!!
About 1 hour ago via Twitter4Kooks.

I'm dying here. Incoherent rants on the trade channels in WoW are more mature and reasonable than this. Someone really needs one of those big hooks to yank her offstage before she hurts herself. I gave up on her being what I thought she might be along time ago. If Palinistas claim I have PDS, I will wear it proudly.

She is dumb as a box of hair.

134 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:31:56pm

re: #115 danS

Oh, and as somebody mentioned, the fact that she believes climate has changed for "ions" kinda contradicts that she's a radical literalist/creationist, no?

Heads up to the irony-challenged. The comment you're quoting was sarcastic.

And there's absolutely no doubt that Palin is a creationist. Who do you think you're kidding?

135 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:32:20pm

re: #119 Thanos

American Family Radio is affiliated with AFA, and runs initiatives like the "personhood ammendment" in Mississippi - a ballot initiative that defines person as starting at moment of conception. They hope to make it a federal case thereafter if the initiative succeeds. So expect a lot more outrage like the Ed Morrisey lie to come between now and February.

We've got a pretty good working definition of human death, driven by the ethics of organ transplants. I've always wondered why that can't be used as a working definition of human life.

I'll duck now.

136 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:32:54pm

re: #132 Sharmuta

The theo-cons are trying to move in on the tea party people. I linked a story in the spinoffs concerning one with deep RR ties.

Not that anyone clicked it.

137 Digital Display  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:33:02pm

re: #127 Naso Tang

Well, from your earlier comment it seemed you might want to bring something up, meaning you have felt unwelcome somewhere because of race issues. I can only say that you seem to fit very well here and none of that could change through appearance, but I think we all try to build a mental picture of each other over time.

Nothing I need to press further.

Thank you for your kindness...I have been blessed and so lucky in life..
Kind Regards

138 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:34:22pm

re: #133 ArchangelMichael

Oh this is epic... too bad Cato isn't here.

I'm dying here. Incoherent rants on the trade channels in WoW are more mature and reasonable than this. Someone really needs one of those big hooks to yank her offstage before she hurts herself. I gave up on her being what I thought she might be along time ago. If Palinistas claim I have PDS, I will wear it proudly.

She is dumb as a box of hair.

WTF..Are you saying that was from Palin?

139 Neutral President  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:35:06pm

re: #138 Naso Tang

WTF..Are you saying that was from Palin?

No I should have clarified, I was trying to make up something as dumb as what she was doing.

Is she allergic to the space bar as well?

140 erraticsphinx  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:35:55pm

re: #132 Sharmuta

Honestly, I think they'll welcome each other with open arms. Many tea partiers are already talibornagains and vice versa.

Both movements don't have a shred of coherence among them, so the fact that their positions are somewhat opposite shouldn't bother them. As long as they get into power.

141 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:36:07pm

re: #134 Charles

Heads up to the irony-challenged. The comment you're quoting was sarcastic.

And there's absolutely no doubt that Palin is a creationist. Who do you think you're kidding?

but she hasn't gone all the way to YEC, or has she?

142 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:37:42pm

re: #126 Obdicut

It's a matter of debate (the global scale part). I'm on her side on this one until proven otherwise (show me when was the last time man could stop tsunamis or earthquakes or hurricanes etc.)

143 erraticsphinx  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:38:05pm

re: #142 danS

Sarah?

144 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:38:21pm

I've been noticing several of the chuckleheads who post regularly to #tcot at Twitter are now using the openly racist image of Obama as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose as their personal picture:

Obama Scare (obamascare) on Twitter

145 metrolibertarian  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:39:13pm

re: #141 Naso Tang

but she hasn't gone all the way to YEC, or has she?

I'm under the impression, judging by the video of her taking part in some kind of Christian protection against witchcraft, that she believes in witches and the occult, so Young Earth Creationist seems like the most probable position she truly holds.

146 windsagio  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:39:30pm

re: #142 danS

good lord really?

I... I don't even know where to start.

~~~

I will say tho', 'we can sure stop rivers from flowing, and turn mountains into craters!

147 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:39:51pm

re: #142 danS

It's a matter of debate (the global scale part). I'm on her side on this one until proven otherwise (show me when was the last time man could stop tsunamis or earthquakes or hurricanes etc.)

Given the scale of energies contained in those phenomena do you necessarily want mankind having abilities of that scope?

148 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:39:53pm

re: #141 Naso Tang

but she hasn't gone all the way to YEC, or has she?

She didn't come from no monkey, or no fish that sprouted legs.

149 Bagua  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:40:16pm

re: #9 freetoken

From the tweet:

Setting aside the interesting issues of whether the Earth has eyes by which to see, or that the Earth has, not too dissimilar to Pagan ideas about the planet, a cognitive ability, the question remains whether indeed there has been climate change for ions.

Turns out there has been. The lowered pH of the ocean is directly due to ions, as everyone knows from their high school chemistry that pH is a description of a substance based on the H⁺ ions in the solution. By adding CO2 to the atmosphere, man has indeed changed the lives of ions in the ocean!

But it is also true that over the eons that the ions in the ocean have changed with climate, ocean pH has changed over time, and there are many interesting corners of geology that try to understand the earth in the earlier periods, when the oceans were quite different.

Let's hear it for the ions!

Brilliant! Big upding.

150 RealismRox  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:40:35pm

Palin on Creationsim 2006

That was how she was brought up, she said. Her father was a public school science teacher.

"My dad did talk a lot about his theories of evolution," she said. "He would show us fossils and say, 'How old do you think these are?' "

Asked for her personal views on evolution, Palin said, "I believe we have a creator."

She would not say whether her belief also allowed her to accept the theory of evolution as fact.

151 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:41:04pm

re: #142 danS

It's a matter of debate (the global scale part). I'm on her side on this one until proven otherwise (show me when was the last time man could stop tsunamis or earthquakes or hurricanes etc.)

Here's what is not debatable. Due to advances in modern science, we can now track tsunamis and earthquakes, blizzards and hurricanes. We can give people advanced noticed, and prepare with building codes and emergency agencies. Modern technology can also help with communication, which is vital in a natural disaster area.

I would like to think that God wants us to use our brains and abilities to help our fellow beings (human and otherwise).

152 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:41:09pm

re: #145 metrolibertarian

you're kidding right?protection from witchcraft?

153 metrolibertarian  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:42:02pm

re: #152 Boondock St. Bender

I shit you not.

Youtube Video
154 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:42:18pm

re: #152 Boondock St. Bender

you're kidding right?protection from witchcraft?

Oh, yes. Drive them demons out cuz they cause traffic accidents and junk.

155 windsagio  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:42:45pm

re: #152 Boondock St. Bender

oh man, you haven't seen that?

(link deleted because someone beat me)

Its crazy and creepy!

156 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:42:45pm

re: #154 allegro

Oh, yes. Drive them demons out cuz they cause traffic accidents and junk.

Well, the demon rum has caused a few accidents, yes.

157 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:43:28pm

brb things are heating up here.(at work...blizzard don't ya know')

158 tradewind  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:44:16pm

re: #140 erraticsphinx
Phrases such as ' talibornagains' are ..... not helpful, and denigrate the faith of a large segment of American society, while equating it with a terrorist organization that attacked us on 9-11.
Just saying.

159 Bagua  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:44:43pm

re: #17 freetoken

The Sarah seems to be overlooking, in her claim that man can't affect "nature" (which, again, is a tinge of Paganism given how she has now set up "nature" as supreme over humans), are all the changes humans have had on the biosphere.

The extinction of many species are directly attributable to humans. The extinction of many more species can indirectly be attributed to humans.

Humans have transported species from one location to another on the globe, the end location being totally new territory for invasive species.

And of course, nobody disputes that man can affect the climate and ecology on a local local and regional level, and the oceans and the atmosphere on a global level.

160 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:46:43pm

re: #134 Charles

Didn't know she's a creationist (seriously). If she is, too bad.
But the quotes on this post are certainly not a proof of radical Christianity, and what she twet is still reasonable to me.

Either way, she's not the one I'd turn to validate this or that scientific theory(And neither Algore or any other politician for that matter).

161 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:46:52pm

Lady Sings Fifth Element Tune

Liveleak Video

So much better than the autotuned version from the movie.

162 Bagua  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:47:19pm

re: #20 Charles

It's all over the right wing blogs now that "Lord" Monckton was assaulted by police in Copenhagen.

Source for the claim? Alex Jones. Nobody on the right even blinks at Alex Jones any more. They've accepted this freak as one of their own.

This is especially distressing, who will be mainstreamed next, Rense?

163 abolitionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:47:59pm

re: #142 danS

It's a matter of debate (the global scale part). I'm on her side on this one until proven otherwise (show me when was the last time man could stop tsunamis or earthquakes or hurricanes etc.)

Re: earthquakes - Some powers that be apparently believe we can stop some earthquakes (ie, "man-made" ones) by killing off geothermal power generation.

164 windsagio  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:48:50pm

re: #158 tradewind

do you feel the same way about 'islamofascist'?

165 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:49:06pm

re: #163 abolitionist

Re: earthquakes - Some powers that be apparently believe we can stop some earthquakes (ie, "man-made" ones) by killing off geothermal power generation.

Wow, this is a new one. Got any links?

166 erraticsphinx  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:49:49pm

re: #158 tradewind

I'm sorry, I have to disagree. You're right that they're not "helpful" per se, in that obviously if I was running for public office/having a conversation with in-laws etc. etc. it would not be appropriate to use to get someone to my side.

But simply from judging who these people are, and the company they keep, they should be proud of being called "talibornagains". It's what they are.

167 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:50:35pm

Judge Keeps New Oklahoma Abortion Law On Hold

A district court in Oklahoma on Friday blocked a new abortion law that would require women to provide detailed information about why they want the procedure. That information, names omitted, would then be posted on a state Web site.

Judge Daniel Owens extended the temporary restraining order already in place, which means the law continues to be blocked for now. The measure includes more than 30 questions a woman seeking an abortion would have to answer, including details about whether she is having relationship problems or whether she can't afford a child.

168 erraticsphinx  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:51:22pm

re: #167 Sharmuta

This is good news.

169 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:51:24pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Lady Sings Fifth Element Tune

[Video]

So much better than the autotuned version from the movie.

Coloratura ability like that is vanishingly rare. Thanks for the post!

170 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:51:43pm

re: #167 Sharmuta

Interestingly, there are no such questions required of the father of said "child".

171 Sharmuta  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:52:42pm

re: #168 erraticsphinx

This is good news.

I agree.

172 metrolibertarian  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:53:28pm

re: #170 allegro

Interestingly, there are no such questions required of the father of said "child".

Because men can't have abortions. Abortion is a moral question only for women and Catholic Democrats to answer "correctly."

173 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:53:47pm

re: #146 windsagio

Tell you what: Start by doing a little thing like changing a hurricane's path or diverting a tsunami, something like that, and then I'll listen to your plans for stopping the oceans' rise (and for a nice Sahara ski vacation in the year 2025).

174 erraticsphinx  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:53:53pm

re: #170 allegro

I remember reading the law a few weeks ago, and there was something about fathers. Maybe just about the relationship (marriage etc.) though. Either way, yeah, it's sexist.

175 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:54:53pm

re: #104 Thanos

American Family Radio inspires me to put up more images of Ishtar
Mary

176 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:55:00pm

re: #174 erraticsphinx

Either way, yeah, it's sexist.

It's public slut shaming. That's the intent.

177 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:55:09pm

re: #169 austin_blue

They should have hired her for the movie. That scene has always bugged me.

178 erraticsphinx  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:55:55pm

re: #173 danS

It's obvious you'll believe Lord Throckmorton Jabberwocky or whatever the hell his name is over a scientist, so I don't think anybody will take you up on that offer.

179 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:55:55pm

re: #163 abolitionist

Agree with you. Everything that man can do to change the environment for good, I'm for.

180 windsagio  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:56:30pm

re: #173 danS

Of course its not remotely the same issue or the same thing, but I suspect deep down that you know that, and just came up with (or were told) a way to 'shoot down' those damn global warming people.


But I'll play along. Show how we're STARTING hurricanes and I'll have some idea of how we can stop them.

181 Mark Winter  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:56:37pm

re: #162 Bagua

The source for it it actually Monckton himself. He tells the story on his blog which I'm not going to link to unless asked for it.

But whatta whimp

182 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:58:28pm

re: #34 Egregious Philbin

Slightly OT

Fed up Freeper quits the site, calls out the nutcases

I posted at FR for years, but I don't give enough of a shit about them any more to post an "opus" (FReepspeak for "flounce")

183 tradewind  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:58:45pm

re: #166 erraticsphinx
With all due respect, that doesn't excuse equating people who self-identify as born-again Christians with the thugs of the Taliban.
And the etymology still stinks.

184 Neutral President  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:58:52pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Lady Sings Fifth Element Tune

[Video]

So much better than the autotuned version from the movie.

I ran into that on youtube awhile ago and I have to agree. Much better.

185 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:59:02pm

re: #179 danS

We need to stick around & save a nuke or two, and rockets, and people who know how to use them, to deflect the next big asteroid like the one that hit around 65 million years ago & took out many many species.

186 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:59:16pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

I think it's kind of arrogant to think you can effect policy with Tweets.

Is that a wry comment on the subject, an honest spelling mistake, or do you really mean "effect" as in "put into effect"?

187 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:59:17pm

re: #179 danS

But if someone said that they could stop all earthquakes from ever happening if only you stop dancing on Saturdays, my guess is that you'd want a very solid proof for it, no?

188 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:59:49pm

re: #177 Killgore Trout

They should have hired her for the movie. That scene has always bugged me.

Produced a Magic Flute with a young lady named Anna Nogle who could sing like that. She did both of the Queen of the Night arias like it was nothing. Spine tingling. Hair raising.

189 tradewind  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:00:25pm

re: #185 Ojoe
But we'll still need to depend on Big Oil for the wildcatters to operate the thing.
I saw that movie.////

190 austin_blue  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:01:07pm

Gotta go be a Social Butterfly. Later Lizards. Stay scaly!

191 abolitionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:01:08pm

re: #165 allegro

Wow, this is a new one. Got any links?

From Discover mag:
Geothermal Energy Project May Have Caused an Earthquake

A government panel is investigating claims that the plant triggered a magnitude-2.7 earthquake on 15 August in the town of Landau…. If the panel finds against the company that built the plant, Geox of Landau, it could be shut down.

Magnitude 2.7 ?! The lower the number the more frequently such quakes occur, until they are so weak as to be undetectable. Ummm.. Anyone know the rating for typical jackhammer?

192 Killgore Trout  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:01:10pm

re: #188 austin_blue

It is amazing to see it done live. When I first posted the queen of the night aria here some people thought it was fake.

193 erraticsphinx  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:03:04pm

re: #183 tradewind

Again, we just have to agree to disagree. In my experience, the comparison is totally accurate in every way.

194 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:03:14pm

re: #188 austin_blue

Hair raising.

Sarah Brightman has that effect on me frequently... but not in a good way. :/

195 tradewind  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:04:10pm

re: #180 windsagio
You'd have to dig deep into the archives of the Bush administration. They cleverly engineered that path for Katrina just to re-design the demographics of NoLa, do a little urban renewal down in the lower parishes, all the while sparing the Garden District and the Quarter.
////if you need it///

196 b_Snark  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:04:44pm

re: #59 trendsurfer

Anyone that hung around that shit hole since the Schiavo affair doesn't win much respect from me.

Some of us were trying, and unfortunately failing, to change the direction of the place.

197 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:04:56pm

re: #191 abolitionist

Less than 3.0 generally not felt.

8 and 9 are devestation.

10 has never been recorded.
Link.

The Alaska Quake had a main shock that lasted about 5 minutes. It was a 9.2

198 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:05:02pm

re: #178 erraticsphinx

I won't take him for his word. I'd check if what he says is true, if I think it's important enough.

BTW, any scientist you recommend?

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:05:16pm

re: #158 tradewind

Phrases such as ' talibornagains' are ... not helpful, and denigrate the faith of a large segment of American society, while equating it with a terrorist organization that attacked us on 9-11.
Just saying.

The Taliban did not attack the United States, just to be clear.

200 windsagio  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:05:34pm

re: #195 tradewind

I honestly don't know whether to laugh or be annoyed >

201 tradewind  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:05:36pm

re: #193 erraticsphinx
Okay.
Lemme know the next time you see a bunch of crazed born again Christians slam a 757 into a skyscraper, and then we might have an area of agreement.///

202 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:06:08pm

re: #191 abolitionist

Thanks! Though... trigger a quake by releasing some steam?

203 windsagio  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:06:26pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

They did however make a theocratic state! *cough*

re: #201 tradewind

see 199, you're thinking "Al Qaeda"

204 tradewind  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:06:31pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist
Technically, that's true. Their leader just trained the operatives at their camps, where he hid out and watched as the towers fell.

205 Bagua  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:06:46pm

re: #181 Mark Winter

The source for it it actually Monckton himself. He tells the story on his blog which I'm not going to link to unless asked for it.

But whatta whimp

No doubt Monckton is a bit of a ponce. I'm more troubled by the mainstreaming of Alex Jones, he takes being a nutter to a whole different level.

206 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:06:58pm

re: #173 danS

Tell you what: Start by doing a little thing like changing a hurricane's path or diverting a tsunami, something like that, and then I'll listen to your plans for stopping the oceans' rise (and for a nice Sahara ski vacation in the year 2025).

My God, you truly are a fool.

207 tradewind  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:07:28pm

re: #203 windsagio
You're right, I am.
They kinda run together.

208 windsagio  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:08:14pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

I think he's more the 'intentionally dishonest' type.

He saw a good zinger somewhere and he'll be damned if he doesn't get his mileage out of it!

209 erraticsphinx  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:08:18pm

re: #198 danS

You can go to something called the library, it's quite a bit more reliable than Viscount whatever.

210 Mark Winter  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:09:23pm

re: #205 Bagua

The mainstreaming of nonsense is indeed the biggest problem we face

211 Johnny Whiplash  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:09:31pm

Less policy, more lolspeak. I'm hoping for more of these insights.

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:09:40pm

re: #204 tradewind

Technically, that's true. Their leader just trained the operatives at their camps, where he hid out and watched as the towers fell.

Their leader being?

213 erraticsphinx  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:09:54pm

re: #201 tradewind

You're totally twisting what I said but go ahead. The talibornagains will be your BFFs gladly.

214 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:10:58pm

re: #142 danS

It's a matter of debate (the global scale part). I'm on her side on this one until proven otherwise (show me when was the last time man could stop tsunamis or earthquakes or hurricanes etc.)

You sound like a Palin consultant.

215 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:12:10pm

New 'Hot Air Comments of the Day' post coming up soon.

You won't believe the stuff simoom dug up. Makes those comments at Malkin's site look tame.

216 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:14:21pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

As a fellow Zionist I have no choice but to admit defeat. I'm no match to your amazing analysis powers.

217 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:14:38pm

re: #173 danS

Tell you what: Start by doing a little thing like changing a hurricane's path or diverting a tsunami, something like that, and then I'll listen to your plans for stopping the oceans' rise (and for a nice Sahara ski vacation in the year 2025).

We probably could change a hurricane's path a bit. The only problem is those who weren't in the original path might object.

Are you stupid, or what?

218 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:16:17pm

re: #214 Naso Tang

Thank you. If only, the world would be a better (and warmer) place :P

219 jaunte  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:17:05pm

re: #173 danS

Tell you what: Start by doing a little thing like changing a hurricane's path or diverting a tsunami, something like that, and then I'll listen to your plans for stopping the oceans' rise (and for a nice Sahara ski vacation in the year 2025).

I think this is the crocoduck argument, come round again.

220 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:17:23pm

re: #216 danS

As a fellow Zionist I have no choice but to admit defeat. I'm no match to your amazing analysis powers.

You may be a fellow Zionist, but alas, not a fellow English teacher. You are no match FOR my amazing ANALYTICAL powers.

221 abolitionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:17:31pm

re: #202 allegro

Thanks! Though... trigger a quake by releasing some steam?

That's the allegation. Hard to distinguish causation from coincidence, however.

222 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:17:50pm

re: #206 SanFranciscoZionist

My God, you truly are a fool.

Reminds me of something I read on the interwebs some time back,

"Ridicule may lawfully be employed where reason has no hope of success."

223 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:18:02pm

re: #219 jaunte

I think this is the crocoduck argument, come round again.

I want a pet crocoduck. Can you housebreak them?

224 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:19:24pm

re: #215 Charles
who would have guessed a couple of years ago, what these people would look like when their moment of truth came.sad how cowtowing to the mob will make you look.

225 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:20:20pm

re: #208 windsagio

Seriously, why dishonest? I believe in what I say. If you must, there are other words you could use like: wrong, erroneous, factually disabled etc.

226 Racer X  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:21:21pm

I just watched Avatar.

Special effects were awesome. A little too much anti-America anti-military subtlety to it.

227 Gus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:21:34pm

OT

General defends court martial for pregnant soldiers

A US Army general in northern Iraq has defended his decision to add pregnancy to the list of reasons a soldier under his command could face court martial.

It is current army policy to send pregnant soldiers home, but Maj Gen Anthony Cucolo told the BBC he was losing people with critical skills.

That was why the added deterrent of a possible court martial was needed, he said.

The new policy applies both to female and male soldiers, even if married.

It is the first time the US Army has made pregnancy a punishable offence.

...

228 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:21:42pm

re: #221 abolitionist

That's the allegation. Hard to distinguish causation from coincidence, however.

Truly. It's an interesting mental exercise however. I mean, how much steam pressure is required to keep slip faults (if that's what this geological fault is) from slipping. It would have to be tremendous. In order to affect it significantly, wouldn't the steam required to do that blow up the damn town?

229 SixDegrees  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:21:45pm

re: #215 Charles

New 'Hot Air Comments of the Day' post coming up soon.

You won't believe the stuff simoom dug up. Makes those comments at Malkin's site look tame.

Please indicate which Hot Air author's articles the comments come from. If I suddenly decide to care a little bit, I might direct some email in their direction. Hot Air may have dropped the ball when it comes to moderation, but contributing authors also have a voice there, and perhaps they can be shamed into using it.

230 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:21:48pm

re: #219 jaunte

What for, you'll never be convinced. am I wrong?

231 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:21:54pm

re: #226 Racer X

No spoilers OK?

232 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:22:44pm

re: #227 Gus 802

*sputter*

233 Racer X  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:22:45pm

re: #231 Rightwingconspirator

No spoilers OK?

Oops - sorry!

234 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:23:06pm

re: #229 SixDegrees

Please indicate which Hot Air author's articles the comments come from. If I suddenly decide to care a little bit, I might direct some email in their direction. Hot Air may have dropped the ball when it comes to moderation, but contributing authors also have a voice there, and perhaps they can be shamed into using it.

They're all from Ed Morrissey's post about Sen. Ben Nelson.

235 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:23:08pm

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

Very true. hoe about powers of analysis?

236 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:23:22pm

re: #201 tradewind

Okay.
Lemme know the next time you see a bunch of crazed born again Christians slam a 757 into a skyscraper, and then we might have an area of agreement.///

We often see the suggestion that "our" religious extremists are better than "their" religious extremists because the latter haven't expressed as much violence, lately. However, if you pay much attention to those who, for example, think the "Left Behind" books are a form of prophesy you will see that there is in fact not much difference, except that in our society these are still a minority, whereas in Islam it is debatable whether they really are or not.

237 Gus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:23:27pm

re: #232 allegro

*sputter*

Weird huh? Court martial. Also male and female soldiers?

238 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:24:39pm

re: #237 Gus 802

Weird huh? Court martial. Also male and female soldiers?

Male soldiers can get pregnant?

239 windsagio  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:24:39pm

re: #225 danS

Because I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and would like to think that you understand the logical fallacies you're throwing out.


Well, I hope you understand why they're bad arguments!

240 b_Snark  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:24:58pm

re: #173 danS

Tell you what: Start by doing a little thing like changing a hurricane's path or diverting a tsunami, something like that, and then I'll listen to your plans for stopping the oceans' rise (and for a nice Sahara ski vacation in the year 2025).

Oh, for crying out loud, if you're going to debate at least debate the issue, not some stupid straw version of it.

Controlling the amount of anthropogenic CO2 in the atmosphere is hardly the same as controlling a hurricane.

If you don't believe CO2 is a GHG, or that GHGs have no power to initiate warming, then you have a problem with physics.

241 Gus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:25:59pm

re: #238 allegro

Male soldiers can get pregnant?

This from the AP:

The new policy, outlined last month by Maj. Gen. Anthony Cucolo and released Friday by the Army, would apply to both female soldiers who become pregnant on the battlefield and the male soldiers who impregnate them.

242 Girth  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:27:09pm

re: #226 Racer X

I just watched Avatar.

Special effects were awesome. A little too much anti-America anti-military subtlety to it.

That's the vibe I'm getting from trailers. I'm in no rush to see it.

243 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:27:33pm

re: #227 Gus 802

Not sure how legally it works with respect to regs but I'd upding him for hitting both sides of the two backed dancers.

William

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:27:50pm

re: #235 danS

Very true. hoe about powers of analysis?

Powers of analysis would work in that context.

But seriously, dude. Do some reading, and get back to us.

245 SteveC  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:28:00pm

re: #238 allegro

Male soldiers can get pregnant?

Yes, but no one ever does. You won't believe the paperwork that has to be filed!

246 SixDegrees  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:28:19pm

re: #202 allegro

Thanks! Though... trigger a quake by releasing some steam?

The way it works is that they make the steam by pumping water deep underground, where it encounters hot rock and flashes to steam, which then rises back to the surface to spin a turbine. The idea that this causes earthquakes rests on the notion that the fluid pumped underground acts as a lubricant, allowing fault plates to slide more easily.

It's questionable, to say the least. It seems to me that the water would have to spread over a very large area to have a significant impact, far larger than the amount of water used would allow.

247 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:28:35pm

re: #241 Gus 802

This from the AP:

The new policy, outlined last month by Maj. Gen. Anthony Cucolo and released Friday by the Army, would apply to both female soldiers who become pregnant on the battlefield and the male soldiers who impregnate them.

I'll give them the attempt to equalize it.

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:28:57pm

re: #237 Gus 802

Weird huh? Court martial. Also male and female soldiers?

Yes, the Army is an equal opportunity employer. They will also court-martial men who get pregnant on duty.

/I assume that men get in trouble for knocking other soldiers up, but I suppose I could be mistaken.

249 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:29:00pm

re: #236 Naso Tang

We often see the suggestion that "our" religious extremists are better than "their" religious extremists because the latter haven't expressed as much violence, lately. However, if you pay much attention to those who, for example, think the "Left Behind" books are a form of prophesy you will see that there is in fact not much difference, except that in our society these are still a minority, whereas in Islam it is debatable whether they really are or not.

It's not a suggestion--it's a fact. "Their" violent fringes are more numerous and more deadly than "ours".

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:29:32pm

re: #238 allegro

Male soldiers can get pregnant?

There isn't anything a US Marine can't do, if the Corps. needs him to.

251 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:29:37pm

re: #226 Racer X

I just watched Avatar.

Special effects were awesome. A little too much anti-America anti-military subtlety to it.

Like the kids' movie Monsters vs Aliens.

252 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:30:05pm

re: #246 SixDegrees

The way it works is that they make the steam by pumping water deep underground, where it encounters hot rock and flashes to steam, which then rises back to the surface to spin a turbine. The idea that this causes earthquakes rests on the notion that the fluid pumped underground acts as a lubricant, allowing fault plates to slide more easily.

It's questionable, to say the least. It seems to me that the water would have to spread over a very large area to have a significant impact, far larger than the amount of water used would allow.

Ah, I see. Thanks... more juice in the engine to think about. Very interesting.

253 Cineaste  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:30:13pm

Newt Gingrich has been tweeting about the snow storm & Copenhagen:

There is something jimmy carter like about weather service upgrading frrom winter storm to blizzard as global warming conference wants US $

and this:

After the expanding revelations of dishonesty in climategate having a massive snow storm as obama promises our money to the world is ironic

and this:

As callista and i watched what dc weather says will be 12 to 22 inches of snow i wondered if God was sending a message about copenhagen

and this:

It is symbolic of the obama-pelosi-reid machine that a global warming semideal is cut in copenhagen washington is smothered in massive snow

Yep, Mr. Speaker. The fact that it snowed in December is definitely a sign from God that global warming isn't happening... ////

254 SixDegrees  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:31:14pm

re: #234 Charles

They're all from Ed Morrissey's post about Sen. Ben Nelson.

OK, thanks. I've emailed Ed in the past, without any response, so I'm not sure it's worth it. Still, you'd think that any author, after spending just a few minutes reading through such tripe, would be appalled.

I was sort of hoping there were other authors involved that might give a damn. Past experience suggests, sadly, that Ed isn't one of them.

255 Gus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:31:15pm

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, the Army is an equal opportunity employer. They will also court-martial men who get pregnant on duty.

/I assume that men get in trouble for knocking other soldiers up, but I suppose I could be mistaken.

The latter is the case. So a married Army couple can both get court-martialed if the wife gets pregnant. While on deployment I assumes. Seems rather excessive and this will certainly raise some hackles.

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:31:21pm

re: #253 Cineaste

Newt Gingrich has been tweeting about the snow storm & Copenhagen:


Yep, Mr. Speaker. The fact that it snowed in December is definitely a sign from God that global warming isn't happening... ///

Snowing in December in COPENHAGEN.

257 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:31:42pm

re: #228 allegro

Truly. It's an interesting mental exercise however. I mean, how much steam pressure is required to keep slip faults (if that's what this geological fault is) from slipping. It would have to be tremendous. In order to affect it significantly, wouldn't the steam required to do that blow up the damn town?

Water does not turn to gas at those pressures a few miles underground. Current thinking is that water is what greases the slips, but that continents move cannot be changed any more than the planet's orbit can be changed in less than "ions"; but it is conceivable that large sudden quakes can be made into many smaller ones by injecting water. On the other hand it could also trigger the mother of them all. Want to experiment somewhere?

258 abolitionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:31:52pm

re: #227 Gus 802

[snip] It is the first time the US Army has made pregnancy a punishable offence.

Wow. Some employers have this silly notion that their workers ought not to have kids, as they require so much in the way of accomodations. (I had such an employer. Have 2 daughters; widowed.)

259 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:32:13pm

re: #253 Cineaste

Now Newt's being a god-botherer?

Oh geez.

260 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:32:18pm

re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist

There isn't anything a US Marine can't do, if the Corps. needs him to.

Semper Fi. LOL

261 Girth  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:32:28pm

re: #251 The Sanity Inspector

Like the kids' movie Monsters vs Aliens.

I crack up every time I see Insectosaurus. The blank stare, and they lead him around with huge lights hanging from helicopters. Makes me laugh every time.

262 erraticsphinx  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:33:14pm

re: #249 The Sanity Inspector

For now.

263 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:33:38pm

re: #255 Gus 802

The latter is the case. So a married Army couple can both get court-martialed if the wife gets pregnant. While on deployment I assumes. Seems rather excessive and this will certainly raise some hackles.

It does seem draconian, but OTOH, you can't have people waddling around pregnant in a war zone. I mean, you always have civilians waddling around pregnant in war zones, but you should try to have your soldiers be non-gravid at all times.

We had some very bad luck, historically, trying out having women active in frontline roles during two very long engagements. This is going to take some working on.

264 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:34:24pm

re: #237 Gus 802

Weird huh? Court martial. Also male and female soldiers?

I believe all those in the military have their DNA recoded these days, for other reasons, but it does make this paternity stuff easier to deal with.

265 Girth  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:34:46pm

re: #253 Cineaste

Newt Gingrich has been tweeting about the snow storm & Copenhagen:

Yep, Mr. Speaker. The fact that it snowed in December is definitely a sign from God that global warming isn't happening... ///

Newt is an intelligent man. Can he really not step back for a second and see the argument he's making, or does he know and doesn't care as long as it furthers his agenda?

266 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:34:49pm

re: #259 Obdicut

Now Newt's being a god-botherer?

Oh geez.

He's got a case of the convert zeal. Which is weird, because IIRC, he converted to Catholicism, and they've got no beef with science.

267 SteveC  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:35:15pm

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

Snowing in December in COPENHAGEN.

Now, I went out last Sunday with my little Mary-Ann
She said please stay still Monday, and grabbed me by my can
She laid a big one on me, suprised me with her tongue,
But her surprise was waitin' there, between my cheek and gum.

Copenhagen, what a wad of flavor.
Copenhagen, you can see it in my smile.
Copenhagen, do yourself a favor.
Chew Copenhagen, drive them pretty girls wild.

268 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:35:45pm

re: #257 Naso Tang

On the other hand it could also trigger the mother of them all. Want to experiment somewhere?

Actually, I'd love to. I love this shit. But I'm a biologist, not a geologist so I lack necessary information. Wanna fill it in?

269 Gus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:35:46pm

re: #263 SanFranciscoZionist

It does seem draconian, but OTOH, you can't have people waddling around pregnant in a war zone. I mean, you always have civilians waddling around pregnant in war zones, but you should try to have your soldiers be non-gravid at all times.

We had some very bad luck, historically, trying out having women active in frontline roles during two very long engagements. This is going to take some working on.

I agree. Just think that a court martial is over the top. I think a discharge would suffice but maybe some would prefer a court martial? I don't know.

270 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:37:09pm

re: #240 b_sharp

I believe that CO2 is a GHG and that mankind contributes to releasing more of it than is necessary. But again, the debate is, or should be, about the proportionality of man made CO2 emissions on affecting the climate. In this, I disagree with you and apparently, with physics.

271 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:37:38pm

re: #255 Gus 802

The latter is the case. So a married Army couple can both get court-martialed if the wife gets pregnant. While on deployment I assumes. Seems rather excessive and this will certainly raise some hackles.

Why? Would you consider it just "natural" to get pregnant when on active duty in a war? This is a volunteer army is it not?

272 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:39:57pm

re: #271 Naso Tang

Why? Would you consider it just "natural" to get pregnant when on active duty in a war? This is a volunteer army is it not?

Does the military provide birth control and, if necessary, abortion services? (yeah, it's a trick question cuz I do know the answer)

273 windsagio  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:41:20pm

re: #269 Gus 802

Its kinda sexist to even think of I admit, but I wonder if the army is afraid of a "Klinger" scenario with pregnancies?

274 MandyManners  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:41:41pm

re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist

There isn't anything a US Marine can't do, if the Corps. needs him to.

Post of the day.

275 Gus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:42:44pm

re: #271 Naso Tang

Why? Would you consider it just "natural" to get pregnant when on active duty in a war? This is a volunteer army is it not?

So a female soldier becomes pregnant before being deployed and doesn't become aware that she is pregnant until she is on station and then she is subject to a court martial? Then adding to that they court martial the male spouse that impregnated her? Seems to me that this rule can open up a lot of traps for married service men and women.

276 SteveC  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:42:48pm

re: #274 MandyManners

Post of the day.

How are you feeling, Mandy?

277 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:43:34pm

re: #268 allegro

Actually, I'd love to. I love this shit. But I'm a biologist, not a geologist so I lack necessary information. Wanna fill it in?

I just repeat what I read here and there, but when people like danS start confusing climate with weather and weather with continental drift, it doesn't take a genius to recognize a Palin consultant, wannabe.

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:44:32pm

re: #269 Gus 802

I agree. Just think that a court martial is over the top. I think a discharge would suffice but maybe some would prefer a court martial? I don't know.

I don't really know enough about the implications to judge that part.

279 Gus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:44:40pm

re: #272 allegro

Does the military provide birth control and, if necessary, abortion services? (yeah, it's a trick question cuz I do know the answer)

TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART II > CHAPTER 55 > § 1093
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§ 1093. Performance of abortions: restrictions

(a) Restriction on Use of Funds.— Funds available to the Department of Defense may not be used to perform abortions except where the life of the mother would be endangered if the fetus were carried to term.
(b) Restriction on Use of Facilities.— No medical treatment facility or other facility of the Department of Defense may be used to perform an abortion except where the life of the mother would be endangered if the fetus were carried to term or in a case in which the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest.

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:45:58pm

re: #275 Gus 802

So a female soldier becomes pregnant before being deployed and doesn't become aware that she is pregnant until she is on station and then she is subject to a court martial? Then adding to that they court martial the male spouse that impregnated her? Seems to me that this rule can open up a lot of traps for married service men and women.

Floating this idea--they pregnancy test before you are deployed, and female personnel go on Norplant or something until deployment ends?

281 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:46:54pm

re: #275 Gus 802

So a female soldier becomes pregnant before being deployed and doesn't become aware that she is pregnant until she is on station and then she is subject to a court martial? Then adding to that they court martial the male spouse that impregnated her? Seems to me that this rule can open up a lot of traps for married service men and women.

I have a feeling that some unforeseen situations can be taken into account, but I do also think that the time period between deciding to sign up and deployment is typically more than 30 days or so.

282 Obdicut  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:47:12pm

re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist

Floating this idea--they pregnancy test before you are deployed, and female personnel go on Norplant or something until deployment ends?

Norplant is contraindicated with smokers.

283 allegro  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:49:27pm

re: #279 Gus 802

That's it.

284 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:50:46pm

Just a little note to all climate deniers...

It still gets cold in winter... DUH.

But if you were to look on average, it is less cold overall - for decades. That would be the difference between weather and climate.

As to Palin... Well come on. We know she is stupid and dishonest. We also know she is utterly opportunistic and like a good little Republican has signed on to the anti-science band wagon.

What shocks and astonishes me the most though is that it really has become the little bandwagon that good Republicans don't study or believe science.

Yet another reason for respectable conservatives to try to reclaim their party.

285 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:51:28pm

re: #272 allegro

Does the military provide birth control and, if necessary, abortion services? (yeah, it's a trick question cuz I do know the answer)

Depends on the meaning of necessary, I would think. As to birth control, I think the intention here is "no sex on duty". Birth control in general is available to anyone, even the military, is it not?

286 windsagio  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:51:39pm

re: #284 LudwigVanQuixote

In all due defense to palin I think she was antiscience WAY before antiscience was cool

287 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:52:40pm

re: #282 Obdicut

Norplant is contraindicated with smokers.

Not good for soldiers then.

288 Gus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 5:57:23pm

re: #283 allegro

That's it.

Yes. Also, here's a snippet from Stars and Stripes:

Eugene Fidell, who teaches military law at Yale Law School and is president of the National Institute of Military Justice, said he understands the motivations of the order.

“You have to assume it’s in response to a number of incidents that have caused female GIs to be sidelined at a time when they can’t be spared,” he said.

But he said the prohibition is fraught with “a mare’s nest of legal, ethical and policy issues” that highlight the discord between personal autonomy and military needs.

“Here you really have issues that go to the core of personal integrity: reproductive rights,” he said.

There are also issues of enforcement, Fidell said. The woman is immediately suspect once the pregnancy comes to light, but unless she identifies her partner, the male could go unpunished despite bearing the same culpability under the order.

I'll repeat the final comment to bring it to light:

Unless she identifies her partner, the male could go unpunished despite bearing the same culpability under the order.

289 Cineaste  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:03:10pm

re: #284 LudwigVanQuixote

I think that's why it's so insane that someone like Gingrich, who represents the "mainstream" of conservatism, is signing on to the "hey, it's cold today" school of science.

290 Cineaste  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:04:50pm

Another tweet from Gingrich yesterday:

@BobbyJindal approval rating at 65%, Amazing results for one of our brightest governors

So he's also endorsing a creationist as "one of our brightest governors".

**sigh**

291 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:05:11pm

re: #288 Gus 802

Unless she identifies her partner, the male could go unpunished despite bearing the same culpability under the order.

But as I said earlier, all service people have DNA on record (for ID after death), so why would they not simply look up who it is? Is this considered an invasion of privacy, even though the act is illegal under military code?

292 zephirus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:06:38pm

re: #270 danS

If you disagree with the physics, then what is your disagreement actually based upon? What alternate set of facts, or alternate interpretation of the facts, have led you to disagree? Try to convince us.

293 Gus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:07:49pm

re: #291 Naso Tang

But as I said earlier, all service people have DNA on record (for ID after death), so why would they not simply look up who it is? Is this considered an invasion of privacy, even though the act is illegal under military code?

What if the father is a civilian or a civilian contractor? What if she doesn't know who the father is? Then what? An investigation and at what cost?

The rule is fraught with hazards.

294 Mark Winter  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:16:51pm

The Spiegel has another article up featuring the obstructionism of Inhofe

[Link: www.spiegel.de...]

295 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:20:42pm

re: #293 Gus 802

What if the father is a civilian or a civilian contractor? What if she doesn't know who the father is? Then what? An investigation and at what cost?

The rule is fraught with hazards.

True, but somewhere above there was a reference to the other soldier. In any case, other than rape, one has to assume the woman is in control of what she does, and is guilty of violating the code. No?

296 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:27:35pm

re: #249 The Sanity Inspector

It's not a suggestion--it's a fact. "Their" violent fringes are more numerous and more deadly than "ours".

Excuse my choice of words, and you no doubt understand that I mistakenly said "latter" when I meant "former" in the above post. So we agree on the facts; what do we disagree on?

297 diamonda2u  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:28:22pm

R her 15 min of fame up yet?

298 danS  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:30:11pm

re: #292 zephirus

I don't disagree with the physics. That part was sarcasm (forgot to add the /sarc tag) following that I was accused of being a fool and dishonest over, basically, being skeptical about the ability of mankind to change the climate (a thing that AFAIK still needs to be proven).

Given that so far the only scientists proven to be dishonest/wrong were the UEA climatologists, UN IPCC authors etc. and given that those who refuse to take the word of people who have a credibility problem are themselves being called dishonest, I don't see a way of rationally convincing anyone.

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 6:35:35pm

re: #295 Naso Tang

True, but somewhere above there was a reference to the other soldier. In any case, other than rape, one has to assume the woman is in control of what she does, and is guilty of violating the code. No?

Sure, but one also has to assume that her partner was in control of what he did, and knew this might lead to pregnancy. Why doesn't he shoulder blame for not covering his junk?

300 zephirus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 7:09:20pm

re: #298 danS

You are avoiding the issue.

Fact 1: CO2 levels are now the highest they have been for over 600,000 years.
Fact 2: They have increased 40% since the industrial revolution.
Fact 3: CO2 intercepts and absorbs terrestrial radiation (infra red, IR) emitted by the earth as it cools. The wavelength absorbed by CO2 is determined by its quantum vibrational transitions. This wavelength happens to be just what is given off by the earth. This is well known.

The timing of the increase in CO2 and subsequent warming strongly correlate with the beginning of the industrial revolution. There is a physical mechanism that explains this and many other facts.

You are not entitled to your own FACTS, but you may know of an alternative hypothesis that explains them.

I am happy to listen to alternative hypotheses; scientists do it all the time.

And which IPCC authors were proven to be dishonest, and by whom, and based on what evidence?

301 Charles Johnson  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 7:14:46pm

re: #290 Cineaste

Another tweet from Gingrich yesterday:

So he's also endorsing a creationist as "one of our brightest governors".

**sigh**

Gingrich is just as much of an opportunistic clown as any other GOP politician. People shouldn't look to him to be the savior of the Republican Party -- he's shown his character very clearly in the way he treated his wives.

302 killbox916  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 7:21:09pm

I think the question is, will this kind of stuff hurt her in the next presidential race. I say probably not. Not saying I agree with her, but will it matter...i don't think it will.

303 b_Snark  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 7:26:58pm

re: #253 Cineaste

Newt Gingrich has been tweeting about the snow storm & Copenhagen:

Yep, Mr. Speaker. The fact that it snowed in December is definitely a sign from God that global warming isn't happening... ///

I hope I never get turned into a newt.

Newt, Newt, Newt, take just a second to think about it would you? Warm air holds more moisture than cool air so when it starts cooling and the moisture condenses, you get more snow, not less.

Have any of these people taken science in school?

304 irving  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 7:28:17pm

re: #298 danS

I don't disagree with the physics. That part was sarcasm (forgot to add the /sarc tag) following that I was accused of being a fool and dishonest over, basically, being skeptical about the ability of mankind to change the climate (a thing that AFAIK still needs to be proven).

...so, if smog in LA isn't a climate changed by man, what is it exactly?

305 Mark Winter  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 7:31:22pm
"As callista and i watched what dc weather says will be 12 to 22 inches of snow i wondered if God was sending a message about copenhagen"

Well Newt I suggest a "medieval" way to solve this mystery. Tie a large rock to your neck and jump into a river.

If you drown, AGW is real.
If you don't that means that the devil helped you.

Be careful with God's messages.

306 zephirus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 7:36:15pm

re: #303 b_sharp

Had a friend with a pet whose name was "Isaac the Newt".

307 zephirus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 7:41:00pm

re: #305 Mark Winter

God had nothing to do with the storm. It was a slow-moving coastal low that, with its counter-clockwise circulation, brought moisture in from the east and cold air from the north.

308 zephirus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 7:43:10pm

re: #304 irving

And let's not forget about the desertification in parts of China and Africa that is also due to human activity.

309 b_Snark  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 7:43:33pm

re: #270 danS

I believe that CO2 is a GHG and that mankind contributes to releasing more of it than is necessary. But again, the debate is, or should be, about the proportionality of man made CO2 emissions on affecting the climate. In this, I disagree with you and apparently, with physics.

Reread my post. I said if you argue that CO2 is not a GHG, or that GHGs have no impact on temp, then you have a problem with physics.

Now, your post is a bit unclear. Are you saying that GHGs have an effect but a minor one, or are you saying man made CO2 is somehow different from natural CO2, or are you saying CO2, although a GHG has little effect?

Determining how much of the CO2 up there is ours is fairly straight forward, so we do know it is a significant percentage of total CO2.

From my perspective the only argument you can make with any sense is about the sum of feedbacks, or possibly CO2 sensitivity. This argument that we can't possibly be affecting the climate because we are unable to control hurricanes is at best, illogical.

310 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 7:53:47pm

oh.good.grief.

311 b_Snark  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 7:54:23pm

re: #298 danS

I don't disagree with the physics. That part was sarcasm (forgot to add the /sarc tag) following that I was accused of being a fool and dishonest over, basically, being skeptical about the ability of mankind to change the climate (a thing that AFAIK still needs to be proven).

If your 'proof' of our ability to affect the climate includes proof we can change the direction of a hurricane, or stop a tsunami, then you are being intellectually dishonest.

We in fact do not have to change the climate directly, all we have to do is affect one small part and watch a cascade of events change the climate. Many things, including the evolution of intelligence, and the flow of climate, are the consequence of the accumulation of smaller, seemingly inconsequential changes. Feedbacks are ubiquitous.

Given that so far the only scientists proven to be dishonest/wrong were the UEA climatologists, UN IPCC authors etc. and given that those who refuse to take the word of people who have a credibility problem are themselves being called dishonest, I don't see a way of rationally convincing anyone.

When and how were the scientists shown to be dishonest? The emails? The code? Both have far more common and boring explanations than dishonesty.

312 b_Snark  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 7:56:06pm

re: #306 zephirus

Had a friend with a pet whose name was "Isaac the Newt".

My son had two newts. They came to be known as mummy1 and mummy2.

313 zephirus  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 7:56:13pm

re: #309 b_sharp

A few decades ago there was a project called, I think, project "STORMFURY". The idea was to fly into a hurricane and seed it with silver iodide crystals, which affects the microphysics. This would lead to latent heat from crystallization farther from the eye which would ultimately lead to a weaker circulation. It seemed to work in a few cases, not so much in others. The idea was abandoned because people were worried about changing the track of the storm in unpredictable ways.

314 Mark Winter  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 8:03:40pm

Actually I have an excellent example on how man has influenced nature and actually been able to correct his errors: The ozone hole.

In 1985 the discussions went pretty similar. There were a fair share of denialists paid by the CFC-industry.

BUT action was taken, ozone-depleting substances were banned, nobody was hurt in the process and the ozone hole will now slowly close.

Had we done nothing we'd be in big trouble today.

315 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 8:39:38pm

re: #298 danS


Given that so far the only scientists proven to be dishonest/wrong were the UEA climatologists, UN IPCC authors etc.

Not so. Your ignorance is showing, again.

316 Achilles Tang  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 8:43:51pm

re: #302 killbox916

I think the question is, will this kind of stuff hurt her in the next presidential race. I say probably not. Not saying I agree with her, but will it matter...i don't think it will.

Pretty dumb post, for your first one.

317 lostlakehiker  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 9:32:16pm
MUST b good stewards of God’s earth,but arrogant&naive2say man overpwers nature

dangrs 2say natur cant bite bak if we push R luck. A few axs fell mity forst. Enuf gigatns CO2 mayB heat Rth? Bad steward, bad bad bad.

318 lostlakehiker  Sat, Dec 19, 2009 9:42:26pm

re: #173 danS

Tell you what: Start by doing a little thing like changing a hurricane's path or diverting a tsunami, something like that, and then I'll listen to your plans for stopping the oceans' rise (and for a nice Sahara ski vacation in the year 2025).

It's called a seawall.


You not listen to our plans to MAKE the ocean's sea level rise! They're working. Bwah hah hah, we have the power. We will put CO2 into the air, and you lowlanders will prattle on about how that can't be the reason why sea level creeps up. Is beautiful plan. Works, and reason why is in plain view. But you so stubborn you not see nose in front of face. Make fairy stories about how is sun. Make fairy stories about how is cosmic rays. Ignore elephant in room.

Colorado rulz. When enough other real estate is gone, our real estate will go through the roof. Meanwhile, the sea will go through yours.

319 claire  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 1:11:55am

re: #101 Naso Tang

Palin is a YEC? I didn't think so.

No, she is not a YEC. From her book, she appears to believe in evolution for plants and animals, but reserves humans as being specially created because of the whole possessing a soul thang. If you have a soul you can't be an animal and vice versa or whatever.

320 armylaw  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 5:42:54am

re: #182 Alouette

I posted at FR for years, but I don't give enough of a shit about them any more to post an "opus" (FReepspeak for "flounce")

I quit for similar reasons. Not entirely sure why I stuck around to keep banging my head against that wall.

321 armylaw  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 5:51:52am

re: #241 Gus 802

Makes sense. General Order 1 already prohibits sexual contact between Coalition forces and non-Coalition forces, or cohabitation with members of the opposite sex unless you're married to them.

322 jhellein  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 4:21:56pm

Change for ions... I'm in... where do I send my quarters? but I only want them to go to cations not to those despicable anions...

323 texanista  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 8:26:21pm

man made global warming is complete bullshit. Everyone should know that. Man cannot significantly change the planet. That is all.....

324 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 9:22:59pm

re: #323 texanista

So where's your point by point analysis/argument that global warming isn't caused by human activity?

325 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 9:26:59pm

re: #319 claire

No, she is not a YEC. From her book, she appears to believe in evolution for plants and animals, but reserves humans as being specially created because of the whole possessing a soul thang. If you have a soul you can't be an animal and vice versa or whatever.

I've run into this before with Christians of a conservative bent. This seems to be a commonly held belief. Some just can't admit that humans are part of the animal kingdom.

326 texanista  Sun, Dec 20, 2009 10:00:04pm

re: #324 eclectic infidel

Find it for yourself.


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