Imam Linked to Fort Hood Shooter Possibly Killed in Yemen

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An air strike by Yemeni forces has killed at least 30 Al Qaeda terrorists, possibly including the radical Islamic cleric linked to Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan.

(CNN) — Yemeni jets launched an aerial assault Thursday against suspected senior al Qaeda operatives meeting in a remote location, and about 30 militants were killed, according to the Yemen news agency SABA.

Without mentioning a number, the Yemeni Embassy in Washington said in a news release, “Preliminary reports suggest that the strike targeted scores of Yemeni and foreign al Qaeda operatives.”

One of the militants may have been the radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, the embassy said.

Al-Awlaki recently told the Arab-language Web site of Al-Jazeera that he had been in touch with the U.S. Army psychiatrist accused of fatally shooting 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, on November 5.

In that interview, al-Awlaki said Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan communicated with him via e-mail starting about a year before he went on the shooting rampage. Hasan wanted al-Awlaki’s advice about killing U.S. troops, the cleric said.

“Nasser al-Wuhayshi, the regional al Qaeda leader, and his deputy, Saeed al-Shihri, alongside Anwar al-Awlaki, were presumed to be at the site (of Thursday’s attack),” according to a news release from the Yemen Embassy in Washington.

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Racer X Thu, Dec 24, 2009 12:54:15pm

Yes!

*fist pump*

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 12:57:01pm

Fantastic Christmas present!

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:00:55pm

Hey, CNN? It's okay to use the "T" word again. Napolitano does.

lawhawk Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:01:30pm

That's good news to be sure once it's confirmed. There's some bad news though, as Awlaki claimed that he received email from Hasan in 2008 asking whether it was permissible to kill US soldiers under Islamic law. The FBI has maintained that the emails intercepted raised no red flags.

Asking about killing soldiers would raise one heck of a red flag. So, either the FBI is playing CYA and they screwed up, or they didn't intercept all the emails, or something got lost in the translation (literally and figuratively).

lawhawk Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:02:17pm

Oh, and Awlaki was known to be a major recruiter for al Qaeda.

Daniel Ballard Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:03:03pm

Now I owe the CIA a gift next Christmas. :)

Stuart Leviton Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:03:13pm

Baruch Dayan HaEmet

Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:05:28pm

Meanwhile the right wing blogs are pushing a conspiracy theory that Obama is obstructing the investigation.

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:05:32pm

Santa unloaded a big chunk of coal on him and his buds.

Gus Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:05:40pm

re: #3 MandyManners

Hey, CNN? It's okay to use the "T" word again. Napolitano does.

This is from the CNN article:

...

Security forces killed 34 terrorists and arrested 17 in that raid, officials said.

...

In late July, Gen. David Petraeus, commander of the U.S. Central Command, and an accompanying delegation met with Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh. One of the topics of discussion was how to better combat terrorism, according to SABA.

...

Randall Gross Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:06:59pm

We will later be told that many civilians died, it's the standard agitprop reply from the terror orgs and sometimes fromt the government. It's necessary for them to politically distance themselves from these strikes. In Pakistan when Hellfire strikes occur it's known that the state of Pakistan, even though informed of who is at the meetings, how many, etc. (in other words the full intel that initiated the strike) will reply that they are going to report outrage and that the strike killed civilians. That has gone on for two years.

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:07:20pm

The Yemenis Grinched his butt.

Youtube Video

webevintage Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:09:05pm

I swear to God, I read Imam as Iman (model, David Bowie's wife) at first....

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:10:38pm

re: #13 webevintage

I swear to God, I read Imam as Iman (model, David Bowie's wife) at first...

Speaking of David Bowie,...

Youtube Video

Big Steve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:12:00pm

Anwar al-Awlaki dead? If true, if true I guess there is only one thing to say....Allāhu Akbar

wrenchwench Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:12:16pm

From the Fox News version of the story:

Awlaki, who was born in Las Cruces, N.M., said subsequent e-mails "mentioned the religious justifications for targeting the Jews with missiles." He told the Washington Post in an interview that Hasan eventually came to regard him as a confidant.

New Mexicans can be proud.

///

Gus Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:13:28pm

re: #11 Thanos

We will later be told that many civilians died, it's the standard agitprop reply from the terror orgs and sometimes fromt the government. It's necessary for them to politically distance themselves from these strikes. In Pakistan when Hellfire strikes occur it's known that the state of Pakistan, even though informed of who is at the meetings, how many, etc. (in other words the full intel that initiated the strike) will reply that they are going to report outrage and that the strike killed civilians. That has gone on for two years.

I just finished watching an RT report from the previous air strike in Yemen where they were doing just that. It was basically AQ propaganda happily channeled by RT News. The reality is that these primitive AQ cowards congregate within civilian populations (as human shields) and against the will of said populations.

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:13:29pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

From the Fox News version of the story:

New Mexicans can be proud.

///

New Mexico?

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:14:54pm

Hmmm...

Non-critical, irrational, fanatical thinkers can get their butts smooshed to paste by people who use critical thinking and the scientific process to make great big bombs and accurate guidance systems.

Lesson to be learned here.

John Neverbend Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:14:59pm

re: #15 Big Steve

Anwar al-Awlaki dead? If true, if true I guess there is only one thing to say...Allāhu Akbar

"This shows you are above,
You justicers, that these our nether crimes
So speedily can venge!"

The Shadow Do Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:15:42pm

The Holy (full of holes now?) Cleric's daddy speaks:

“If the American government helped in attacking one of (its own) citizens, this is illegal,” said Awlaki, his voice cracking. “Nidal Hasan killed 13 people and he’s going to get a trial. My son has killed nobody. He should face trial if he’s done something wrong.”
“If Obama wants to kill my son, this is wrong,” he added.

The elder Awlaki said his son, in spite of his ideology, had no links to al-Qaea. “I don’t think he would be meeting with those people,” Nasser al- Awlaki said.

Just another innocent swept up in the bloodthirsty Obama war.

John Neverbend Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:16:41pm

re: #19 EmmmieG

Hmmm...

Non-critical, irrational, fanatical thinkers can get their butts smooshed to paste by people who use critical thinking and the scientific process to make great big bombs and accurate guidance systems.

Lesson to be learned here.

We are all indebted to Descartes.

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:16:43pm

re: #21 The Shadow Do

The Holy (full of holes now?) Cleric's daddy speaks:

Just another innocent swept up in the bloodthirsty Obama war.

Send him a freaking waaahmbulance.

wrenchwench Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:16:59pm

re: #18 MandyManners

New Mexico?

His father was attending New Mexico State University, and is a "distinguished alum."

Randall Gross Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:17:02pm

re: #17 Gus 802

I just finished watching an RT report from the previous air strike in Yemen where they were doing just that. It was basically AQ propaganda happily channeled by RT News. The reality is that these primitive AQ cowards congregate within civilian populations (as human shields) and against the will of said populations.

RT is Putin's channel for those who do not know. It's state Russian media directed at the west.

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:17:56pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

His father was attending New Mexico State University, and is a "distinguished alum."

Didja' see Shadow's No. 21?

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:19:41pm

To all those fighting the good fight tonight.

Youtube Video

Randall Gross Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:20:29pm

re: #25 Thanos

RT is Putin's channel for those who do not know. It's state Russian media directed at the west.

Occasionally the do carry important news that's factual btw - sometimes your enemies tell important truths....
White Christmas in Italy

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Bagua Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:20:46pm

In that interview, al-Awlaki said Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan communicated with him via e-mail starting about a year before he went on the shooting rampage. Hasan wanted al-Awlaki’s advice about killing U.S. troops, the cleric said.

But, but, I thought he was just upset about being deployed to Iraq?

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:22:23pm

Wrong time to link this?

karmic_inquisitor Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:22:54pm

So here is something I don't understand - how is that the dismembering a group of "suspected militants" via a remotely piloted drone over foreign soil where no declaration of war exists meets "constitutional standards" while belly slapping known terrorists at a US facility in Cuba is an unconstitutional act and cause for national shame?

I was recently lectured on my jingoism and predilection for fascism by LVQ and others because I didn't subscribe to the notion that the existence of our detention facility at Gitmo stains America's purity, nor do I agree that waterboarding and other such infrequently used EITS are torture. Then there were the lectures on due process.

Question for the morally pure out there - What due process does a non-combatant in a country who is not at war with the US receive when a hellfire missile kills him and any other bystanders who happened to be near him?

wrenchwench Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:23:04pm

re: #26 MandyManners

Didja' see Shadow's No. 21?

Yes, and I was wondering where the link is. I found it mentioned in the NYT as coming from the Washington Post.

According to The Washington Post, Mr. Awlaki’s father, a former government minister, stressed that his son was a natural-born American and said, “If the American government helped in attacking one of [its own] citizens, this is illegal.” He added:
Nidal Hassan killed 13 people and he’s going to get a trial. My son has killed nobody. He should face trial if he’s done something wrong. [...] If Obama wants to kill my son, this is wrong.

albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:23:05pm

pretty effective airstrike, if all the gonners are bad guys...sounds like some primo intel....30-0 is a great score

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:24:03pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

I wonder if CAIR's gonna' chime in.

Gus Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:24:42pm

re: #28 Thanos

Occasionally the do carry important news that's factual btw - sometimes your enemies tell important truths...
White Christmas in Italy

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

An important matter there.

However as you previously stated, Russia Today will never report on anything negative from within the Russian Federation. They even have a Dennis Kucinich interview.

The Shadow Do Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:25:20pm

re: #4 lawhawk

Asking about killing soldiers would raise one heck of a red flag. So, either the FBI is playing CYA and they screwed up, or they didn't intercept all the emails, or something got lost in the translation (literally and figuratively).

Worse than that. Sheer ruddy incompetence:
"The task force didn't investigate Hasan because the correspondence was consistent with psychiatric research he was conducting, the FBI has said."

Obdicut Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:25:31pm

re: #31 karmic_inquisitor

Waterboarding is torture. We said so during WWII, we said so when the Shining Path did it, and we were right. It is torture, and we should not torture.

Question for the morally pure out there - What due process does a non-combatant in a country who is not at war with the US receive when a hellfire missile kills him and any other bystanders who happened to be near him?

I'm not morally pure, but he doesn't have any due process. It's a moral choice that taking the risk of killing innocents is worth the chance to kill someone who is a certainty of killing innocents.

As to the constitutionality: I have no clue. I am nowhere near the level of expertise in the constitution I'd have to have to approach that question.

Daniel Ballard Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:25:44pm

Boom!
This is one addition to man's carbon footprint I like.

Randall Gross Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:26:34pm

re: #35 Gus 802

Correct - they have their own ultra orthodox neo nazis inside Russia, and you will never see footage of them on RT.

albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:26:43pm

re: #31 karmic_inquisitor

So here is something I don't understand - how is that the dismembering a group of "suspected militants" via a remotely piloted drone over foreign soil where no declaration of war exists meets "constitutional standards" while belly slapping known terrorists at a US facility in Cuba is an unconstitutional act and cause for national shame?

I was recently lectured on my jingoism and predilection for fascism by LVQ and others because I didn't subscribe to the notion that the existence of our detention facility at Gitmo stains America's purity, nor do I agree that waterboarding and other such infrequently used EITS are torture. Then there were the lectures on due process.

Question for the morally pure out there - What due process does a non-combatant in a country who is not at war with the US receive when a hellfire missile kills him and any other bystanders who happened to be near him?

good question...my answer in these cases is simply might makes right...not true every time of course...btw I got clobbered not for arguing, just gave a one off opinion

The Shadow Do Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:26:54pm

re: #32 wrenchwench

Dalla Morning Snooze

Randall Gross Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:29:41pm

What few on the right are talking about: Obama's pace on killing terror leaders around the world is much greater than that of Bush. Several key members AQ dead since he took office, and the pace of strikes has been notably higher as well as more accurate.

Kudos to Obama

John Neverbend Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:29:51pm

re: #39 Thanos

Correct - they have their own ultra orthodox neo nazis inside Russia, and you will never see footage of them on RT.

It sounds like Radio Moscow redux.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:30:52pm

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

This is one addition to man's carbon footprint I like.

Speaking of which... Gaia is about to add a shit kicking bit of carbon footprint from the Phillipines.

I'm not making light of it though.

Gonna be baaad.

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:31:00pm

re: #31 karmic_inquisitor

So here is something I don't understand - how is that the dismembering a group of "suspected militants" via a remotely piloted drone over foreign soil where no declaration of war exists meets "constitutional standards" while belly slapping known terrorists at a US facility in Cuba is an unconstitutional act and cause for national shame?

I was recently lectured on my jingoism and predilection for fascism by LVQ and others because I didn't subscribe to the notion that the existence of our detention facility at Gitmo stains America's purity, nor do I agree that waterboarding and other such infrequently used EITS are torture. Then there were the lectures on due process.

Question for the morally pure out there - What due process does a non-combatant in a country who is not at war with the US receive when a hellfire missile kills him and any other bystanders who happened to be near him?

I'll share my kimchi with you.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:31:06pm

Well, pies and cakes don't make themselves.

Merry Christmas, especially to all those who will be feeling lonely this Christmas.

My thoughts are with you.

Bagua Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:32:10pm

re: #37 Obdicut

Waterboarding is torture. We said so during WWII, we said so when the Shining Path did it, and we were right. It is torture, and we should not torture.
[...]

And cutting the abdomen with a knife is assault with a deadly weapon when street thugs do it and life saving surgery when the doctor does it.

Regardless, if the terrorists had a choice between being slaughtered by hellfire missiles or being waterboarded I wonder what their choice would be?

karmic_inquisitor Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:32:18pm

re: #37 Obdicut

Waterboarding is torture. We said so during WWII, we said so when the Shining Path did it, and we were right. It is torture, and we should not torture.

I'm not morally pure, but he doesn't have any due process. It's a moral choice that taking the risk of killing innocents is worth the chance to kill someone who is a certainty of killing innocents.

As to the constitutionality: I have no clue. I am nowhere near the level of expertise in the constitution I'd have to have to approach that question.

So waterboarding KSM was not a moral choice? And we simply get to avoid affording people the due process that we now extend to all persons globally by killing them?

I know that one dimension of the last election was salvaging our collective morality from the impulses of heathen savages such as myself, but I am having a hard time figuring out how making splat marks of those we suspect of being associated with groups of people we suspect of things now delivers this country to a higher moral plane.

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:32:44pm

re: #44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of which... Gaia is about to add a shit kicking bit of carbon footprint from the Phillipines.

I'm not making light of it though.

Gonna be baaad.

Mayon?

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:33:38pm

re: #46 EmmmieG

Well, pies and cakes don't make themselves.

CAKE AND PIE? GOD BLESS US, EVERY ONE!

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:34:26pm

re: #42 Thanos

What few on the right are talking about: Obama's pace on killing terror leaders around the world is much greater than that of Bush. Several key members AQ dead since he took office, and the pace of strikes has been notably higher as well as more accurate.

Kudos to Obama

I can get behind that.

karmic_inquisitor Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:34:27pm

re: #40 albusteve

good question...my answer in these cases is simply might makes right...not true every time of course...btw I got clobbered not for arguing, just gave a one off opinion

Don't get me wrong - I have no problem with killing these people and I won't lose sleep over bystanders. That is war.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:34:38pm

re: #49 MandyManners

yep

Bagua Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:35:37pm

re: #48 karmic_inquisitor

So waterboarding KSM was not a moral choice? And we simply get to avoid affording people the due process that we now extend to all persons globally by killing them?

I know that one dimension of the last election was salvaging our collective morality from the impulses of heathen savages such as myself, but I am having a hard time figuring out how making splat marks of those we suspect of being associated with groups of people we suspect of things now delivers this country to a higher moral plane.

Ah, doncha see? The truly moral thing is death by air raid. No water involved and no pesky survivors to complain about the nasty interrogators.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:36:21pm

re: #50 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

CAKE AND PIE? GOD BLESS US, EVERY ONE!

Uh... FBV.... I hate to tell you this, buddy, but... The cake is a lie. Sorry.

albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:37:02pm

re: #52 karmic_inquisitor

Don't get me wrong - I have no problem with killing these people and I won't lose sleep over bystanders. That is war.

roger that

Obdicut Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:37:06pm

re: #48 karmic_inquisitor

No, torture is never a moral choice. I'm sorry, I will never, ever condone torture.

I know that one dimension of the last election was salvaging our collective morality from the impulses of heathen savages such as myself, but I am having a hard time figuring out how making splat marks of those we suspect of being associated with groups of people we suspect of things now delivers this country to a higher moral plane.

I'm sorry, I can't really tell what you're asking me with this part. If you're asking why it's not okay to torture people who are under US jurisdiction, that answer, to me, is self-evident. If you're asking why it's moral to attack people who are plotting the US harm on foreign soil, I'd say that we need a high burden of proof for it but I feel that some groups are so vocal about their desires as to constitute proof. I also feel the two questions have absolutely nothing to do with each other, and I"m confused why you think they relate.

Gus Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:37:21pm

re: #31 karmic_inquisitor

So here is something I don't understand - how is that the dismembering a group of "suspected militants" via a remotely piloted drone over foreign soil where no declaration of war exists meets "constitutional standards" while belly slapping known terrorists at a US facility in Cuba is an unconstitutional act and cause for national shame?

I was recently lectured on my jingoism and predilection for fascism by LVQ and others because I didn't subscribe to the notion that the existence of our detention facility at Gitmo stains America's purity, nor do I agree that waterboarding and other such infrequently used EITS are torture. Then there were the lectures on due process.

Question for the morally pure out there - What due process does a non-combatant in a country who is not at war with the US receive when a hellfire missile kills him and any other bystanders who happened to be near him?

They aren't suspected militants. They are militants and Al Qaeda.

You can see the many of the "suspects" here in this Al Jazeera crypto-propaganda video:

Al Qaeda in Yemen says it is fighting the US - 22 Dec 09

Youtube Video

They even manage to blow themselves up in this video. Typical.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:37:45pm

re: #42 Thanos

What few on the right are talking about: Obama's pace on killing terror leaders around the world is much greater than that of Bush. Several key members AQ dead since he took office, and the pace of strikes has been notably higher as well as more accurate.

Kudos to Obama

Who is the man, who's blowing up his fellow man?
PREZ!
Can you dig it?
He's a bad Mutha (hush your mouth!)
Just talkin' bout the Prez.

Randall Gross Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:39:03pm

The other thing the right is not talking about: Since Obama took office Pakistan has been pushed into waging effective war on the Taliban in their hinterlands rather than just punitive strikes. (lately there are signs that it might slack off, since the PPP has come under fire from the National Reconciliation Ordinance, but the last six months they've done more than the previous six years of Bush managed interaction)

Obdicut Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:39:42pm

re: #60 Thanos

Pakistan seems slightly more stable recently, too. Very slightly. I hope like hell they keep it from descending into chaos.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:39:51pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

bad form!

Bagua Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:40:11pm

re: #52 karmic_inquisitor

Don't get me wrong - I have no problem with killing these people and I won't lose sleep over bystanders. That is war.

The trick is to alternate Hellfire missile with missiles loaded with little tape recorders that play the Miranda Warning in the local lingo.

You have the right to go to hell
Anything you say is irrelevant, as you will soon be dead
You have a right to speak to an attorney, he will be dead too
Do you understand these rights? Good. Now comes the Hellfire

jayzee Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:41:45pm

Nice job. Seems we still have our war on terror after all.

captdiggs Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:42:05pm

re: #42 Thanos

What few on the right are talking about: Obama's pace on killing terror leaders around the world is much greater than that of Bush. Several key members AQ dead since he took office, and the pace of strikes has been notably higher as well as more accurate.

Kudos to Obama

Under Bush, thousands ( likely 10s of thousands) of AQ were killed or captured including numerous leaders.
I don't see how you gauge that the current administration is doing better/more.
The fact is, that the strikes are Bush policy that Obama is carrying out.
Such operations are always being tweaked. AQ has been hammered into smaller enclaves and refuges leading to higher "leadership" kills.
I give Obama credit for what he's doing, but I don't see that as more or better than the previous administration.

Randall Gross Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:42:07pm

re: #61 Obdicut

Pakistan seems slightly more stable recently, too. Very slightly. I hope like hell they keep it from descending into chaos.

Shhhh. Don't say that yet, huge shake ups and uncertainty right now due to the NRO and a few other things. Let's just not talk about that until that gets a bit more resolved. Military beginning to saber rattle at the pols as we type....

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:42:13pm

re: #63 Bagua

The trick is to alternate Hellfire missile with missiles loaded with little tape recorders that play the Miranda Warning in the local lingo.

You have the right to go to hell
Anything you say is irrelevant, as you will soon be dead
You have a right to speak to an attorney, he will be dead too
Do you understand these rights? Good. Now comes the Hellfire

In Arabic, Farsi and Pashto.

albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:43:10pm

re: #57 Obdicut

No, torture is never a moral choice. I'm sorry, I will never, ever condone torture.

I'm sorry, I can't really tell what you're asking me with this part. If you're asking why it's not okay to torture people who are under US jurisdiction, that answer, to me, is self-evident. If you're asking why it's moral to attack people who are plotting the US harm on foreign soil, I'd say that we need a high burden of proof for it but I feel that some groups are so vocal about their desires as to constitute proof. I also feel the two questions have absolutely nothing to do with each other, and I"m confused why you think they relate.

everything is so confusing to you....this is the question, do you condone killing terrorists in a foreign country and not under the jurisdiction of the US?

Randall Gross Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:43:55pm

re: #67 MandyManners

Actually in Pakistan you would want Urdu and Dari as well.

Obdicut Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:44:04pm

re: #66 Thanos

Someone asked a Pakistani coworker if he missed home. He said that his home was ovverrun by maniacs with AK-47s and a local thug controlled everything in the area, including how people voted.

Love those awkward moments.

Bagua Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:44:27pm

re: #57 Obdicut

No, torture is never a moral choice. I'm sorry, I will never, ever condone torture.
[...]

Wow, double never with an ever! What a saint you are.

Gus Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:44:54pm

AQ is infiltrating Yemen to take advantage of this:

The Sa'dah insurgency is a civil war in Yemen. It began in June 2004 when dissident cleric Hussein Badreddin al-Houthi, head of the Shī‘a Zaidiyyah sect, launched an uprising against the Yemeni government. Most of the fighting has taken place in Sa'dah Governorate in northwestern Yemen.

Antagonists:

Houthis (Al-Shabab al-Muminin)
Iran
Hezbollah

Protagonists:

Yemen
Saudi Arabia
Jordan
United States

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:44:56pm

re: #69 Thanos

Actually in Pakistan you would want Urdu and Dari as well.

Yeah, Dickhead spoke a bit of those, too.

Girth Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:45:01pm

re: #4 lawhawk

That's good news to be sure once it's confirmed. There's some bad news though, as Awlaki claimed that he received email from Hasan in 2008 asking whether it was permissible to kill US soldiers under Islamic law. The FBI has maintained that the emails intercepted raised no red flags.

Asking about killing soldiers would raise one heck of a red flag. So, either the FBI is playing CYA and they screwed up, or they didn't intercept all the emails, or something got lost in the translation (literally and figuratively).

Fourth possibility: Awlaki lied in order to raise his profile with other jihadis.

albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:45:12pm

re: #71 Bagua

Wow, double never with an ever! What a saint you are.

a rare triple halo!

Obdicut Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:45:43pm

re: #68 albusteve

Each of my statements clearly says that I do.

Notice this bit?

If you're asking why it's moral to attack people who are plotting the US harm on foreign soil, I'd say that we need a high burden of proof for it but I feel that some groups are so vocal about their desires as to constitute proof.

Al-queda is definitely such a group.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:46:26pm

re: #62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You deserve to know the truth, bro. I thought you'd take it better if it came from a friend. But since I couldn't find any, I told you. ;)
/

karmic_inquisitor Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:48:38pm

re: #58 Gus 802

They aren't suspected militants. They are militants and Al Qaeda.

You can see the many of the "suspects" here in this Al Jazeera crypto-propaganda video:

Al Qaeda in Yemen says it is fighting the US - 22 Dec 09

[Video]They even manage to blow themselves up in this video. Typical.

I am sorry, but you just failed the "high moral standards" test.

You see - the Obama Administration has now extended the rights of the accused to any and all persons taken into US custody. That is not just custody of US law enforcement agent, but also of US military personnel as well as any contractors or anyone acting as an agent of the US.

The accused are not guilty of anything until proven in a court of law under the confines of due process standards of the United States Constitution.

So do we now have missiles equipped with arresting officers, courts, counsel and juries? Do they interact with the "known terrorist" in a manner that mirandizes him, offers him counsel, selects a jury of his peers, let's him face his accusers, convicts him and sentences him to a punishment that is neither cruel or unusual?

G.M.A.F.B.

It is a double standard. This whole "we condemn the amorality of our predecessors but have employed the same tactics" act is no more moral - no more pure.

Welcome to war fighting - and the sooner we drop the pretenses the easier our forces will have in executing their mission.

Obdicut Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:49:28pm

Heh. Not entirely OT, here's a blog post from my sister-in-law, traveling in Guatemala at the moment:

We made our way from San Salvador to Parque Nacional El Imposible on a "chicken bus" (a psychedelically painted U.S. school bus) to the wonderfully named town of Cara Sucia (Dirty Face) near the coast and the Guatemalan border. There we got in the bed of a truck which took us up into the mountains.

Halfway, we picked up a disheveled borracho with wine stained lips who launched into a long, annoying, revolutionary soliloquy. I couldn't understand much of what he was saying and was, like many, trying to ignore him, but he repeated every few minutes like a bad beat poet, "Che Guevara, revolucionario, marxismo, comunismo," before continuing his rant.

After a while an extremely dignified family got on the truck and the paterfamilias listened for a few minutes before calmly wresting control of the conversation from the borracho and respectfully shutting him down. Again I couldn't completely understand him, but the gist was that guerrillas are violent and godless and will change nothing, only when men's hearts change will the world change. Something to that effect. When the borracho got out he said goodbye meekly and loped off.

Sharmuta Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:49:49pm

Raisins!

Gus Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:50:40pm

re: #78 karmic_inquisitor

I think we're talking about two different things.

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:50:52pm

re: #78 karmic_inquisitor

G.M.F.A.B.?

Sharmuta Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:51:01pm

re: #11 Thanos

We will later be told that many civilians died, it's the standard agitprop reply from the terror orgs and sometimes fromt the government.

And from certain quarters on the left...

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:51:26pm

re: #82 MandyManners

G.M.F.A.B.?

Oops.

G.M.A.F.B.?

jayzee Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:53:13pm

re: #84 MandyManners

Oops.

G.M.A.F.B.?

give me a f***ing break

Gus Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:53:33pm

re: #78 karmic_inquisitor

Never mind, that applies.

Yes, I always fail the "high moral standards" test in these matters.

Sharmuta Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:53:33pm

re: #42 Thanos

What few on the right are talking about: Obama's pace on killing terror leaders around the world is much greater than that of Bush. Several key members AQ dead since he took office, and the pace of strikes has been notably higher as well as more accurate.

Kudos to Obama

Indeed.

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:53:44pm

re: #85 jayzee

give me a f***ing break

Ah. Thanks!

jayzee Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:55:03pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

Indeed.

Like only Nixon could go to China, maybe only a liberal can kill terrorists?

albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 1:55:23pm

re: #78 karmic_inquisitor

people get it, they just will not reconcile the difference....liberals can have it both ways, in their minds...it's just that simple to me

Bagua Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:00:29pm

re: #90 albusteve

There's just nothing like feeling noble while killing the enemy.

Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:02:17pm

Merry Christmas Eve everyone. I got a free beer at lunch today at my favorite Irish pub. Another Festivus miracle!

albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:03:22pm

re: #91 Bagua

There's just nothing like feeling noble while killing the enemy.

the 'Sword of the Righteous'....a mightiest blade of all

Van Helsing Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:05:13pm

re: #54 Bagua

Ah, doncha see? The truly moral thing is death by air raid. No water involved and no pesky survivors to complain about the nasty interrogators.

No fat lips, no bloody noses.

Ojoe Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:12:00pm

Taking out the garbage.

MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:12:42pm

re: #95 Ojoe

Taking out the garbage.

And into a big incinerator.

albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:16:16pm

been cooking my butt off lately....got some potato soup on the stove, chile, pork stew...giving half to my dear old landlord...neither one of us celebrate Christmas this year

Sheila Broflovski Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:17:31pm

I just took some fresh baguettes out of the oven!

Bagua Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:18:28pm

re: #97 albusteve

been cooking my butt off lately...got some potato soup on the stove, chile, pork stew...giving half to my dear old landlord...neither one of us celebrate Christmas this year

I'll be by with the beer at about 6pm, try not to burn our dinner.

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Randall Gross Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:18:31pm

re: #97 albusteve

been cooking my butt off lately...got some potato soup on the stove, chile, pork stew...giving half to my dear old landlord...neither one of us celebrate Christmas this year

We are making potato/sausage soup this weekend after we get tired of the Christmas beast.

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MandyManners Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:18:41pm

Gotta' go stir my chilli!

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abolitionist Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:18:49pm

re: #97 albusteve

been cooking my butt off lately...got some potato soup on the stove, chile, pork stew...giving half to my dear old landlord...neither one of us celebrate Christmas this year

Sounds like a celebration, and in a very good way.

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Gus Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:19:35pm

OT - Breaking

Woman Knocks Down Pope at Christmas Mass

Benedict XVI Not Hurt by "Unstable" Woman Who Jumped Over Barrier; Cardinal Also Knocked Over

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albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:20:30pm

re: #102 abolitionist

Sounds like a celebration, and in a very good way.

no holidays at all for me this year...too fucked up to fly...so here I sit, but I don't mind...I'm a loner by nature

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karmic_inquisitor Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:20:33pm

BTW - a handy tip found in the comments at the NYT :

How to cut your medical insurance bill under ObamaCare -

1) Cancel your coverage
2) Pay the $750 a year fine
3) When you get sick get a policy - you can't be denied coverage.

Annual savings for me and my family under this new approach ? About $18,000.

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albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:22:33pm

re: #100 Thanos

We are making potato/sausage soup this weekend after we get tired of the Christmas beast.

last thing in is the meat...sometimes ham other times sausage...very tasty stuff but it's pretty fattening so I only make it on occasion to give away

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albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:23:52pm

re: #103 Gus 802

OT - Breaking

Woman Knocks Down Pope at Christmas Mass

the Pope should take some boxing lessons....bang! boom!....problem solved

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Gus Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:24:39pm

re: #107 albusteve

the Pope should take some boxing lessons...bang! boom!...problem solved

I didn't realize he was 82 years old. He's in pretty good shape for his age. Looks a lot younger.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:24:52pm

re: #9 MandyManners

Santa unloaded a big chunk of coal on him and his buds.

Krampus rides again!

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Sharmuta Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:24:57pm

re: #107 albusteve

the Pope should take some boxing lessons...bang! boom!...problem solved

The Pope... he's a lover not a fighter.

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solomonpanting Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:25:15pm

re: #105 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - a handy tip found in the comments at the NYT :

How to cut your medical insurance bill under ObamaCare -

1) Cancel your coverage
2) Pay the $750 a year fine
3) When you get sick get a policy - you can't be denied coverage.

Annual savings for me and my family under this new approach ? About $18,000.

Required coverage (the "individual mandate"). American citizens and legal residents would be required to have health insurance, or pay a fine. For an individual, the fine would be $750 per year or 2 percent of household income, whichever is greater; for a family, the maximum fine would be $2,250 per year or 2 percent of household income. The fines would go into effect gradually, starting in 2014. The House bill is similar, with exemptions for certain low-income people.

Oh, and BTW:

Your Dog Pollutes More than Your SUV

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:25:57pm

OT - (But possibly of interest to Lizards)

Another Festivus story...

You know, I did it my way. I think the old-fashioned term was the "school of hard knocks." Two days after I got out of high school in 1970, I started work as a office boy. An office boy, with all the image that the title carries with it, at Beneficial Finance headquarters. Get the company president his favorite cigars, hand run 3-4 million dollar checks into NYC to personally deposit, the whole office boy nine yards, like you've seen in the old movies.

I was in credit/finance for 7 years and then, after moving from the east coast to Texas, the State of Texas apprenticed me to a company to learn how to design printed circuit boards. While at that company, I had access to mainframe computers and the first thing called a PC. I self-taught myself to program that mainframe and PC.

And from there I went on to a career as a computer programmer, working full time, paying all my bills, AAA+ credit, a few marriages... the whole shooting match.

And during all those years I supplemented my career with my second love, entertainment. Working part time in live theatre, as a magician, a clown, played keyboards for 12 years straight with numerous "bar bands" on many weekends and writing some plays and having them published. A vocation and a advocation, good for the head and good for the soul.

Things changed five years ago, was laid off, a divorce and I had to take off and on contract programming work, still supplementing some of my salary with entertainment gigs, especially live theatre, and finally two years ago, I went on salary part time at a theatre, from 82 thousand a year to under 15 grand. But I was happy to be doing what I needed to do. I had been working off and on with this theatre for 10 years and they were family to me.

In Sept. 2009 the theatre cut my small salary by 55 percent, and I started to actively seek ANY sort of employment, since that was not enough money to even take care of my downsized life style.

Finally after 5 years of part time work, today I was offered and I accepted a full time retail job, at almost twice what I now make at the theatre, with full benefits after 30 days. A Christmas present to me?

Sort of. I had to resign from the theatre, resign from working with a group of people that I dearly love, and the theatre was the last "vestige" of what my life was over the past 20 years. This was a final break with a past that has now vanished.

I met a wonderful woman almost a year ago. I have a wonderful new family now, a new job, new adventures and the get up and go to go ahead and start again, a new game with new players.

But I have to be honest and say I feel numb right now, sort of hovering between two places. I've been here before, between the old and the new, the stogy familiar and the enticing unknown but it's never easy, is it?

Merry Christmas.

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albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:26:18pm

re: #108 Gus 802

I didn't realize he was 82 years old. He's in pretty good shape for his age. Looks a lot younger.

I thought he was very athletic in his younger years...maybe that was the last one, they all look alike to me

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Randall Gross Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:26:42pm

Terrible subject to bring up on Christmas eve, but lizards might want to set their Tivos for this on Sunday:

[Link: channel.nationalgeographic.com...]

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:26:56pm

re: #110 Sharmuta

The Pope... he's a lover not a fighter.

There we go with the priest/sex scandal thing again.
/

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:27:21pm

re: #113 albusteve

I thought he was very athletic in his younger years...maybe that was the last one, they all look alike to me

It's the shoes!

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albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:27:46pm

re: #110 Sharmuta

The Pope... he's a lover not a fighter.

'and in this corner, from the Vatican..weighing in at 205'

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Gus Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:27:56pm

re: #113 albusteve

I thought he was very athletic in his younger years...maybe that was the last one, they all look alike to me

That will do it.

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Obdicut Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:27:57pm

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

I hope the new chapter treats you kindly, Walter.

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Gus Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:29:15pm

Giant dog!

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Randall Gross Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:29:39pm

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

Aha! I knew there was a terrible secret in your background! You play keyboards, and as everyone knows all keyboard players are flaky...

/Merry Christmas Walter

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Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:30:22pm

Here's some Jewish reggae for this Christmas Eve

Youtube Video

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Sharmuta Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:30:31pm

re: #117 albusteve

'and in this corner, from the Vatican..weighing in at 205'

LOL!

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albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:30:36pm

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

to infinity!....and BEYOND!

I'm happy for you

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:32:12pm

re: #119 Obdicut

re: #121 Thanos

re: #124 albusteve

to infinity!...and BEYOND!

I'm happy for you

Thanks all. I really can't say I'm happy right now. Of course I know this is all good, but I can't be happy right now.

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jayzee Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:33:29pm

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

I hope it's the start of only good things for you.

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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:34:46pm

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

Good for you, Walter.

About this programming thing, I started my career programming Fortran on mainframes.

My website (which includes the Zionist Mall, but contains much, much more) is outdated, using nested HTML tables, so I'm giving it an extreme makeover. I just have to get used to this fancy shmancy newfangled CSS <div> thingy.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:36:05pm

re: #13 webevintage

I swear to God, I read Imam as Iman (model, David Bowie's wife) at first...

That would be more surprising. And troubling. She seems like a perfectly nice woman, albeit terrifyingly skinny and beautiful.

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albusteve Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:37:11pm

re: #122 JasonA

Here's some Jewish reggae for this Christmas Eve

[Video]

well that was sorta different

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Gus Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:37:13pm

Yitzhak Ahronovitch, Exodus Skipper in Defiant ’47 Voyage of Jewish Refugees, Dies at 86

By MARGALIT FOX
Published: December 23, 2009

Yitzhak Ahronovitch, the captain of the refugee ship Exodus, whose violent interception by the British Navy as it tried to take thousands of Jewish refugees to Palestine in 1947 helped rally support for the creation of the state of Israel the next year, died Wednesday in northern Israel. He was 86.

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Sharmuta Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:37:21pm

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

Walter... interesting it should happen to you at the end of the year. It's a good time to look back and reflect on what was, and look ahead to what will be. New beginnings can be a little unnerving at first because it is the unknown, and sometimes it feels more comfortable to stay with the familiar, even if it's not what's best. The love you have for theatre will always be there and I hope your new career will work out wonderfully for you. Good luck, and Merry Christmas.

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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:37:24pm

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

MERRY CHRISTMAS to you, Walter!
And a blessedly Happy New Year!

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Achilles Tang Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:38:58pm

re: #15 Big Steve

Anwar al-Awlaki dead? If true, if true I guess there is only one thing to say...Allāhu Akbar

How do you say that in past tense?

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:39:46pm

re: #127 Alouette

Good for you, Walter.

About this programming thing, I started my career programming Fortran on mainframes.

My website (which includes the Zionist Mall, but contains much, much more) is outdated, using nested HTML tables, so I'm giving it an extreme makeover. I just have to get used to this fancy shmancy newfangled CSS <div> thingy.

I may want to clarify... when I say retail, I don't mean a programming job at a retail store. I'm talking about doing the Walmart sort of thing (it's not Walmart), working the floor in a retail department. Worker bee stuff... And guess what, I am grateful to have found this job.

Any Lizard who has had trouble finding employment lately will understand where I am coming from.

I have no problem working retail or doing other such labor. I like to work, I like to take care of myself and not have the government do it for me.

Taking this job is also spitting in the face of the administration. I did it my way, and I'll be damned if Obama takes some sort of credit for this job on his saved/created/abracadabra-made-out-of-nothing bullshit list.

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jayzee Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:40:08pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

That would be more surprising. And troubling. She seems like a perfectly nice woman, albeit terrifyingly skinny and beautiful.

You think? I think it's just her facial features. She from Somalia, they (like the Ethopians) can have those very narrow and angular facial features. I think it's cool.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:40:37pm

re: #31 karmic_inquisitor

So here is something I don't understand - how is that the dismembering a group of "suspected militants" via a remotely piloted drone over foreign soil where no declaration of war exists meets "constitutional standards" while belly slapping known terrorists at a US facility in Cuba is an unconstitutional act and cause for national shame?

I was recently lectured on my jingoism and predilection for fascism by LVQ and others because I didn't subscribe to the notion that the existence of our detention facility at Gitmo stains America's purity, nor do I agree that waterboarding and other such infrequently used EITS are torture. Then there were the lectures on due process.

Question for the morally pure out there - What due process does a non-combatant in a country who is not at war with the US receive when a hellfire missile kills him and any other bystanders who happened to be near him?

There's a difference between warfare, collateral damage in warfare, and the legal treatment of prisoners of war, and these, again, are different from the legal prosecution of individuals for war crimes. People have starkly different opinions about these.

That said, do we really, really want to have this discussion on Christmas Eve?

137

SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:40:58pm

re: #34 MandyManners

I wonder if CAIR's gonna' chime in.

Would that be their MO?

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:41:05pm

re: #131 Sharmuta

re: #132 Floral Giraffe

Thanks.

And yes, it will work out, because I'm just that sort of person.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:42:47pm

re: #44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of which... Gaia is about to add a shit kicking bit of carbon footprint from the Phillipines.

I'm not making light of it though.

Gonna be baaad.

Crud. Pray for everyone within reach of that mountain, folks. I've seen footage of what happened with Pinatubo. Not going to be a good Christmas in those parts.

140

Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:43:05pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a difference between warfare, collateral damage in warfare, and the legal treatment of prisoners of war, and these, again, are different from the legal prosecution of individuals for war crimes. People have starkly different opinions about these.

That said, do we really, really want to have this discussion on Christmas Eve?

Why not... it's not Christmas for a lot of people in the world. There are a lot of people in the world who would be killed for even tasting the secular side of this holiday.

Remember them.

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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:45:19pm

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

I may want to clarify... when I say retail, I don't mean a programming job at a retail store. I'm talking about doing the Walmart sort of thing (it's not Walmart), working the floor in a retail department. Worker bee stuff... And guess what, I am grateful to have found this job.

Any Lizard who has had trouble finding employment lately will understand where I am coming from.

I have no problem working retail or doing other such labor. I like to work, I like to take care of myself and not have the government do it for me.

Taking this job is also spitting in the face of the administration. I did it my way, and I'll be damned if Obama takes some sort of credit for this job on his saved/created/abracadabra-made-out-of-nothing bullshit list.

I know what you're talking about. Hey, I'm in Detroit. My last full-time assignment was three years ago. Thank G-D I still have the Zionist Mall to fall back on, but one of my major donors bowed out this year, so I have to hustle up new supporters. I am a techie, not a fundraiser, this hustling thing is not for me. Fortunately my sons, who are major fundraisers, are helping out.

My youngest boy, who just moved to Alabama, and has his own graphics design company, keeps telling me to change my site from HTML nested tables to CSS. And I remember when I took him with me to Ford on "Bring Your Child to Work Day."

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Walter L. Newton Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:48:28pm

re: #141 Alouette

I know what you're talking about. Hey, I'm in Detroit. My last full-time assignment was three years ago. Thank G-D I still have the Zionist Mall to fall back on, but one of my major donors bowed out this year, so I have to hustle up new supporters. I am a techie, not a fundraiser, this hustling thing is not for me. Fortunately my sons, who are major fundraisers, are helping out.

My youngest boy, who just moved to Alabama, and has his own graphics design company, keeps telling me to change my site from HTML nested tables to CSS. And I remember when I took him with me to Ford on "Bring Your Child to Work Day."

When you say major donor, are you saying that your site is funded partially like a non-profit, by donations and extra support, which is fine, just curious.

The theatre I was working for was 501(c)3, even though we were a professional theatre, and we partially relied on funding to keep the doors open.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:51:57pm

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Who is the man, who's blowing up his fellow man?
PREZ!
Can you dig it?
He's a bad Mutha (hush your mouth!)
Just talkin' bout the Prez.

He's a Nobel-Peace-Prize-winning, blowing-up-the-bad-guys dude. And no one understands him but Michelle.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:53:10pm

re: #68 albusteve

everything is so confusing to you...this is the question, do you condone killing terrorists in a foreign country and not under the jurisdiction of the US?

Has anyone objected to this, on this site?

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:54:13pm

re: #70 Obdicut

Someone asked a Pakistani coworker if he missed home. He said that his home was ovverrun by maniacs with AK-47s and a local thug controlled everything in the area, including how people voted.

Love those awkward moments.

A Palestinian friend of my parents once told my dad that when he was looking for a safe place to raise his family, he unrolled the map of the Middle East--and then moved to California.

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Mocking Jay Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:56:19pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

A Palestinian friend of my parents once told my dad that when he was looking for a safe place to raise his family, he unrolled the map of the Middle East--and then moved to California.

Guess that kinda depends on what part of California. :P

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:56:59pm

re: #110 Sharmuta

The Pope... he's a lover not a fighter.

So wrong.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:57:13pm

re: #111 solomonpanting

Oh, and BTW:

Your Dog Pollutes More than Your SUV

I still love the dog more.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:58:17pm

re: #130 Gus 802

Yitzhak Ahronovitch, Exodus Skipper in Defiant ’47 Voyage of Jewish Refugees, Dies at 86

May his memory be for a blessing.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 24, 2009 2:59:07pm

re: #135 jayzee

You think? I think it's just her facial features. She from Somalia, they (like the Ethopians) can have those very narrow and angular facial features. I think it's cool.

I think she's lovely, she just makes me feel dumpy just thinking about her.

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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 24, 2009 3:01:01pm

re: #146 JasonA

Guess that kinda depends on what part of California. :P

San Francisco. They had a liquor store in lower Pacific Heights, a block from their church. It was, I'd say, a good call.

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jayzee Thu, Dec 24, 2009 3:01:21pm

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

I think she's lovely, she just makes me feel dumpy just thinking about her.

Now now, I think you're beautiful.

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huggy77 Thu, Dec 24, 2009 5:21:13pm

an early gift from the Yemenis

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