Report: Passenger Tried to Blow Up Northwest Airlines Jet

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There was apparently an attempt to blow up a passenger jet today, but the bomb failed to detonate. Details are still sketchy.

WASHINGTON — A Northwest Airlines passenger landing in Detroit on Friday tried to blow up the flight but the explosive device failed, two U.S. national security officials said.

The passenger, who was traveling on Northwest Airlines Flight 253 from Amsterdam, was not identified. He was being questioned Friday evening, according to one of the officials, both of whom spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.

The motive of the Christmas Day attack was not immediately clear.

“He appears to have had some kind of incendiary device he tried to ignite,” said one of the U.S. officials.

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434 comments
1 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:42:13pm

Crazies out even on Christmas!

2 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:42:31pm

More and more every day I think stupid should hurt.

3 philosophus invidius  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:43:29pm

AP says it was firecrackers.

4 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:43:36pm

I think these new details lend credibility to the earlier reports that the bomber was a Nigerian man who was given the device from an Al Qaeda linked group.

Thank god for incompetent bomb makers.

5 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:43:54pm

OT Already:
Sarah Foxwell found

No, it's not good.

6 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:44:25pm

the motive was not clear?...

7 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:45:09pm

re: #6 albusteve

the motive was not clear?...

Die, infidel.

8 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:45:37pm

re: #5 SteveC

I had not heard about that. Very sad outcome. What a community to have 1000 out searching for her!

9 reine.de.tout  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:47:28pm

re: #5 SteveC

OT Already:
Sarah Foxwell found

No, it's not good.

Oh, how awful!

10 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:48:01pm

re: #5 SteveC

Nothing pisses me off more than stuff like that. We in Florida have had our cases like this. John Cooey comes to mind.

11 solomonpanting  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:48:57pm

More terror in the skies.

12 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:49:20pm

Al-Qaida link in failed plane attack

U.S. officials say a Northwest Airlines passenger from Nigeria said he was acting on behalf of al-Qaida when he tried to blow up a flight Friday as it landed in Detroit.

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., identified the suspect as Abdul Mudallad, a Nigerian. King said the flight began in Nigeria and went through Amsterdam en route to Detroit.

ne of the U.S. intelligence officials said the explosive device was a mix of powder and liquid. It failed when the passenger tried to detonate it.

13 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:49:21pm

Crime.

14 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:49:26pm

re: #3 philosophus invidius

AP says it was firecrackers.

So far I've read or am reading:

a) Firecrackers (which is being disounted now)
b) Incendiary device
c) Explosive device
d) Powdery substance

Nothing is clear at the moment. 24 hour rule applies.

15 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:49:59pm

I have a great idea. Let's take the idiot bomber and the child murderer, put them in a room and [deleted]....

16 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:50:15pm
17 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:51:15pm

re: #16 prairiefire

Preview is your friend.

18 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:51:30pm

OK, I still need work on posting links! Follow the youtube link to a montage tribute to actors who have passed this year.

19 nightlight  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:51:32pm

President Obama was notified of the incident by his military aide between 2 p.m. and 2:30 p.m. Detroit time or 9 a.m. in Hawaii, where the Obamas are vacationing, according to White House spokesman Bill Burton.

The president subsequently convened a secure conference call with John Brennan, his Homeland Security and Counter-terrorism adviser, and Denis McDonough, acting chief of staff for the National Security Council.

Obama then instructed that "all appropriate measures be taken to increase security for air travel."

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

20 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:51:35pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Al-Qaida link in failed plane attack

odd the Times story leaves out his AQ admission

21 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:52:00pm

re: #17 Sharmuta

I'm trying. I need more lessons from my 12 year old.

22 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:53:38pm

re: #19 nightlight

President Obama was notified of the incident by his military aide between 2 p.m. and 2:30 p.m. Detroit time or 9 a.m. in Hawaii, where the Obamas are vacationing, according to White House spokesman Bill Burton.

The president subsequently convened a secure conference call with John Brennan, his Homeland Security and Counter-terrorism adviser, and Denis McDonough, acting chief of staff for the National Security Council.

Obama then instructed that "all appropriate measures be taken to increase security for air travel."

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

brilliant!

23 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:53:50pm

re: #16 prairiefire

Just use the URL to the video page. LGF's code takes care of it. If you try to use the embed code it will get clobbered and look like this mess.

24 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:54:52pm

re: #18 prairiefire

OK, I still need work on posting links! Follow the youtube link to a montage tribute to actors who have passed this year.

cut and paste is easiest...no muss, no fuss

25 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:55:37pm

Another report:

WASHINGTON – U.S. officials say a Northwest Airlines passenger from Nigeria said he was acting on behalf of al-Qaida when he tried to blow up a flight Friday as it landed in Detroit.

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., identified the suspect as Abdul Mudallad, a Nigerian. King said the flight began in Nigeria and went through Amsterdam en route to Detroit.

One of the U.S. intelligence officials said the explosive device was a mix of powder and liquid. It failed when the passenger tried to detonate it.

The passenger was being questioned Friday evening.

Both of the officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.

The motive of the Christmas Day attack was not immediately clear.

26 UncleMonkey  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:55:48pm

If it really was a powder that this guy was trying to light, does this mean that the TSA is going to bar me from carrying Pixie Sticks in my carry-on luggage from now on?

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:55:51pm

re: #5 SteveC

OT Already:
Sarah Foxwell found

No, it's not good.

Oh. Awful.

28 Bagua  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:55:59pm

Apparently the bomber didn't get the Christmas message of peace on earth and goodwill to all.

29 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:56:04pm

re: #18 prairiefire

OK, I still need work on posting links! Follow the youtube link to a montage tribute to actors who have passed this year.

You're ruining our Christmas!!! Just kidding... hehe.

30 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:56:08pm

re: #19 nightlight

Obama then instructed that "all appropriate measures be taken to increase security for air travel."

No more liquids and/or powder allowed on a passenger airliner. Pretty soon I'll have to turn my pacemaker in to TSA!

Can I keep it officer? it has a good beat and I can't dance - hell I can't do anything - without it!
/// X 20

31 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:56:32pm

re: #21 prairiefire

I'm trying. I need more lessons from my 12 year old.

There is a helpful link under the comment form... just above the "show users" button.

32 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:57:30pm

re: #25 Gus 802

Another report:

same info...no idea yet why somebody would detonate explosives on a jetliner....waiting

33 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:57:44pm

re: #26 UncleMonkey

If it really was a powder that this guy was trying to light, does this mean that the TSA is going to bar me from carrying Pixie Sticks in my carry-on luggage from now on?

All your Pixie Sticks are ours.

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:57:59pm

re: #14 Gus 802

So far I've read or am reading:

a) Firecrackers (which is being disounted now)
b) Incendiary device
c) Explosive device
d) Powdery substance

Nothing is clear at the moment. 24 hour rule applies.

Sounds like Richard Reid. Random guy, claims al-Qaeda link, badly thought out device.

In neither case was the perp an Arab. Unless something else comes up, I file this under 'they experiment a lot' and 'disposable crazies are good for experiments'.

35 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:58:03pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

There is a helpful link under the comment form... just above the "show users" button.

I wonder if Charles could add one more button - "Summon a teenager"

36 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:58:16pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

Thank you, that looks like what I need to study!

37 solomonpanting  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:58:34pm

re: #25 Gus 802

The motive of the Christmas Day attack was not immediately clear.

Here's a clue:
Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., identified the suspect as Abdul Mudallad

38 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:58:35pm

I'd like to thank the Good Lord Above the device failed. I'm glad this person is in custody, and I hope any friends this person has out there get rounded up in short order, and that no other little surprises are still out there.

39 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:58:58pm

re: #35 SteveC

I wonder if Charles could add one more button - "Summon a teenager"

I could use a "summon Chinese food" link.

40 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:59:21pm

Here is a link from The Wall Street Journal about what happened.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

41 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:59:31pm

re: #26 UncleMonkey

If it really was a powder that this guy was trying to light, does this mean that the TSA is going to bar me from carrying Pixie Sticks in my carry-on luggage from now on?

Do you usually carry Pixy Stix in your carry-on luggage? THat would be my first question?

Of course, I curse Reid's name every time I have to take off my shoes to get on a flight to San Diego.

42 recusancy  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:59:39pm

A good story for your evening: Jews and Muslims coming together during Christmas in Detroit.

43 abolitionist  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 3:59:42pm

re: #3 philosophus invidius

AP says it was firecrackers.

They cannot, in good concience, play this down --even if it was firecrackers.

44 Bagua  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:00:38pm

World Gone Crazy

MP3 Audio
45 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:00:46pm

re: #38 Sharmuta

I'd like to thank the Good Lord Above the device failed. I'm glad this person is in custody, and I hope any friends this person has out there get rounded up in short order, and that no other little surprises are still out there.

Yeah. This is actually very good news. Bad news would be an explosion on the plane.

46 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:00:46pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Sounds like Richard Reid. Random guy, claims al-Qaeda link, badly thought out device.

In neither case was the perp an Arab. Unless something else comes up, I file this under 'they experiment a lot' and 'disposable crazies are good for experiments'.

At first I heard Delta Airlines. They're saying he's Nigerian for the time being. No telling what the exact facts until we hear directly from the appropriate authorities. The AQ claim is based on his admission as you noted.

47 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:00:49pm

re: #39 prairiefire

I could use a "summon Chinese food" link.

Order me a General whoever chicken and an eggroll, please.

48 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:00:57pm

re: #39 prairiefire

I could use a "summon Chinese food" link.

Maybe we could use a generic "Summon Assistance" button. When the person shows up they'll fix your computer, take the dog out, run get take out... whatever you need.

49 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:02:02pm
50 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:02:09pm

re: #46 Gus 802

At first I heard Delta Airlines. They're saying he's Nigerian for the time being. No telling what the exact facts until we hear directly from the appropriate authorities. The AQ claim is based on his admission as you noted.

once he's waterboarded, we'll know more

51 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:02:24pm

re: #50 albusteve

once he's waterboarded, we'll know more

:)

52 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:02:51pm

re: #46 Gus 802

At first I heard Delta Airlines. They're saying he's Nigerian for the time being. No telling what the exact facts until we hear directly from the appropriate authorities. The AQ claim is based on his admission as you noted.

I think it was a Northwestern flight, but Delta and Northwestern are in the middle of a merger. It may be Delta but still in Northwestern colors.

53 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:03:34pm

re: #49 MikeySDCA

The airline confusion, which I suffered, derives from the fact that Delta just bought NWA.

not the other way around?....anyway they have excellent service out of ABQ

54 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:03:37pm

re: #50 albusteve

once he's waterboarded, we'll know more

But, but, we can't do that!! Hand me some jumper cables.

55 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:03:55pm

re: #47 Cannadian Club Akbar

Order me a General whoever chicken and an eggroll, please.

Coming right up, to wherever you are. I have been meaning to ask you~how did they get the phone books to burn at the bus stop when you were a kid? Did an adult do it or some lucky kid?

56 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:04:16pm

re: #54 Cannadian Club Akbar

But, but, we can't do that!! Hand me some jumper cables.

We have ways of making you talk....

57 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:05:00pm

re: #52 SteveC

I think it was a Northwestern flight, but Delta and Northwestern are in the middle of a merger. It may be Delta but still in Northwestern colors.

That's what I figured but the AP news pic is showing a Delta livery.

Either way it was officially a NWA flight.

58 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:05:31pm

re: #55 prairiefire

Coming right up, to wherever you are. I have been meaning to ask you~how did they get the phone books to burn at the bus stop when you were a kid? Did an adult do it or some lucky kid?

Back then they had matches to light things. Even gave them to you with cigarettes.:)

59 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:05:34pm

well the jigs up...time to invade Yemen...WHO'S WITH ME?

60 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:06:41pm

re: #59 albusteve

well the jigs up...time to invade Yemen...WHO'S WITH ME?

Do they have hot women?

61 [deleted]  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:07:24pm
62 solomonpanting  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:07:28pm

re: #60 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do they have hot women?

No, they have hot yemen.

63 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:07:35pm

re: #46 Gus 802

At first I heard Delta Airlines. They're saying he's Nigerian for the time being. No telling what the exact facts until we hear directly from the appropriate authorities. The AQ claim is based on his admission as you noted.

The confusion might be in part because NWA is owned by Delta.

64 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:07:41pm

re: #54 Cannadian Club Akbar

But, but, we can't do that!! Hand me some jumper cables.

A guy walks into a bar with a pair of jumper cables draped over his neck. He sits down and asks "Can I get a drink?" The bartender replies "Okay, but don't start anything."

65 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:08:25pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

The confusion might be in part because NWA is owned by Delta.

Yep. Thanks.

67 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:09:15pm

re: #62 solomonpanting

No, they have hot yemen.


A ding for you.

re: #64 Mad Al-Jaffee

A guy walks into a bar with a pair of jumper cables draped over his neck. He sits down and asks "Can I get a drink?" The bartender replies "Okay, but don't start anything."


And a ding for you.

68 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:09:27pm

re: #66 SteveC

White House classifies incident as Terrorist Attack

Alleged crime...

69 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:09:40pm

re: #64 Mad Al-Jaffee

A guy walks into a bar with a pair of jumper cables draped over his neck. He sits down and asks "Can I get a drink?" The bartender replies "Okay, but don't start anything."

that would be assault and battery

70 Big Steve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:10:05pm

Holy Crap! I take that flight all the time. We have corporate offices in both Ohio and Rotterdam so taking the long leg from Schipol to Detroit is the best flight. It is a large 777 plane. I am really surprised that anyone got any type of explosive through Schipol in that security there is the tightest in the world outside of maybe Israel.

71 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:11:49pm

re: #70 Big Steve

I am an idiot, but a powder could be easily carried on, no?

72 Nightlight  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:11:50pm

Looks like a guy on the plane jumped on him?

According to the Huffington Post, a passenger "tried to blow up the flight but the explosive device failed, two U.S. national security officials said." The passenger " tried to explode powder taped to his leg with a syringe full of chemicals" according to the NY Daily News.

At first the staff on the plane thought the passenger was trying to light fireworks. An eyewitness, Syed Jafri, tells the Huffington Post, "he saw a glow, and noticed a smoke smell. Then a young man behind me jumped on him."

[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]

73 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:12:11pm

re: #66 SteveC

White House classifies incident as Terrorist Attack

C4 is scarce, so use a handful of Black Cat's?....firecrackers?...wtf?

74 solomonpanting  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:12:24pm

re: #69 albusteve

that would be assault and battery

Are you positive? Or just jumping to conclusions?

75 recusancy  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:12:35pm

Passenger accounts of the incident.

76 abolitionist  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:14:16pm

re: #61 MikeySDCA

Latest from the BBC

At the bottom:

Were you on the plane when the firecrackers went off? Were you affected by the incident? Send us your stories using the form below.

It would appear that the BBC is blatantly trying to manage the story.

77 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:14:25pm

re: #75 recusancy

Passenger accounts of the incident.

From the link:
The man was apparently already on the government's no-fly list of suspected terrorists, ABC News said a senior intelligence official told them.


I don't think he was on a list.

78 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:14:31pm

re: #74 solomonpanting

Are you positive? Or just jumping to conclusions?

I'm open to an alternator opinion

79 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:14:31pm

re: #73 albusteve

C4 is scarce, so use a handful of Black Cat's?...firecrackers?...wtf?

I don't know, man. I've heard firecracker, firecrackers, powdery substance, and now powder/liquid explosive. You know how things get confused right at the beginning on an event.

The 24 hour rule is certainly in effect here.

80 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:15:17pm

re: #5 SteveC

OT Already:
Sarah Foxwell found

No, it's not good.

Prayers for the family.
That's so sad.

81 Obdicut  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:15:32pm

re: #72 Nightlight

Huh. Might have been trying to make thermite, I guess.

Glad someone jumped on him.

re: #75 recusancy


Aw, it's sweet the way the son is grinning at the father.

82 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:15:59pm

re: #79 SteveC

I don't know, man. I've heard firecracker, firecrackers, powdery substance, and now powder/liquid explosive. You know how things get confused right at the beginning on an event.

The 24 hour rule is certainly in effect here.

nah, I say invade now

83 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:16:03pm

re: #68 Sharmuta

Alleged crime...

Man-Caused Disaster

84 Semper Fi  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:17:56pm

re: #72 Nightlight

Looks like a guy on the plane jumped on him?

According to the Huffington Post, a passenger "tried to blow up the flight but the explosive device failed, two U.S. national security officials said." The passenger " tried to explode powder taped to his leg with a syringe full of chemicals" according to the NY Daily News.

At first the staff on the plane thought the passenger was trying to light fireworks. An eyewitness, Syed Jafri, tells the Huffington Post, "he saw a glow, and noticed a smoke smell. Then a young man behind me jumped on him."

[Link: www.associatedcontent.com...]

If so, hopefully, his leg is badly burned.

85 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:18:40pm

re: #82 albusteve

nah, I say invade now

24 hour warning. Give the women, children, and terrorists time to evacuate the country!

86 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:19:10pm

re: #84 Semper Fi

If so, hopefully, his leg is badly burned [self deleted].

87 recusancy  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:19:43pm

[Link: freep.com...]

But passenger Richard Griffith of Pontiac said he was unaware of the incident until departing the plane.

He said he was sitting in the back of the plane and did not “see or hear anything.”

88 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:20:53pm

re: #87 recusancy

[Link: freep.com...]

But passenger Richard Griffith of Pontiac said he was unaware of the incident until departing the plane.

He said he was sitting in the back of the plane and did not “see or hear anything.”

Thats what you get for flying coach!

89 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:20:56pm

re: #75 recusancy

From the link.....

The man was apparently already on the government's no-fly list of suspected terrorists, ABC News said a senior intelligence official told them.


Hmmm. I'm sure the GOP will try to make some political gains out of this. Alex Jones and the Paulians will surely claim it was a government conspiracy. I hope the rest of the conservatives don't follow along but these days anything is possible.

90 solomonpanting  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:21:39pm

re: #87 recusancy

[Link: freep.com...]

But passenger Richard Griffith of Pontiac said he was unaware of the incident until departing the plane.

He said he was sitting in the back of the plane and did not “see or hear anything.”

So, then, there's no incident, no problem.

91 Scriptorium  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:21:45pm

re: #60 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do they have hot women?

They have a lot of he-men.

92 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:22:11pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

From the link...


Hmmm. I'm sure the GOP will try to make some political gains out of this. Alex Jones and the Paulians will surely claim it was a government conspiracy. I hope the rest of the conservatives don't follow along but these days anything is possible.

Interestingly enough someone on Airliners dot net just said that Rep. Pete King (R) said that was NOT on the no-fly list.

93 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:23:08pm

re: #76 abolitionist

It would appear that the BBC is blatantly trying to manage the story.

They have that with almost every major breaking. story

94 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:23:39pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Well, President Obama was suppose to go to Hawaii but diverted the plane to Kenya, blah, blah, blah. Did that help?
/12

95 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:23:44pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

From the link...


Hmmm. I'm sure the GOP will try to make some political gains out of this. Alex Jones and the Paulians will surely claim it was a government conspiracy. I hope the rest of the conservatives don't follow along but these days anything is possible.

incompetency crosses political lines...that's why I have the feeling Bin Laden is living in Miami, meanwhile the Pixie Stix bomber waltzes onto an international flight

96 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:23:51pm

Now Fox NY is saying it was a small blast.

97 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:24:37pm

re: #91 Scriptorium

Are you a writer? Have to ask, sorry.

98 Locker  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:24:57pm

I hate to speculate before we know for sure. However, if this was any sort of an attempt at violence I am very, very glad it failed. I can not imagine what this type of potentially averted tragedy would have done to us all. Let alone on Christmas.

99 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:25:52pm

re: #96 Gus 802

Now Fox NY is saying it was a small blast.

...that the guy in the rear didn't hear....how small do blasts get?

100 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:26:37pm

Fox is reporting that there *might* be a link between this and Yemen and Alwaki.

101 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:27:00pm

re: #92 Gus 802

Interestingly enough someone on Airliners dot net just said that Rep. Pete King (R) said that was NOT on the no-fly list.

What I find interesting is that Rep. Pete King has an idea who is/isn't on the list. Ain't he supposed to be representing somebody, not moonlighting for the TSA?

You want to see a copy of the list, it seems that all you have to do is mail a check for $5 and a 8x10 SASE to the TSA.

102 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:27:09pm

re: #99 albusteve

...that the guy in the rear didn't hear...how small do blasts get?

I think this is a study in early reporting.

103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:27:58pm

re: #100 MandyManners

Merry Christmas to you.

104 eneri  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:28:25pm

re: #10 Cannadian Club Akbar

My heart aches for this child and her family. If this guy is guilty, castrate him and put him in the general prison population for life!

105 eneri  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:29:41pm

How was this terrorist allowed on board and how did they miss explosives? Someones head should roll.

106 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:29:47pm

re: #96 Gus 802

Now Fox NY is saying it was a small blast.

Sealed small environment like a passenger jet, a small blast could play hell. And I think the guy in seat 252 - A would hear it.

107 abolitionist  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:30:00pm

re: #93 Bobibutu

They have that with almost every major breaking. story

My objection is with the term firecrackers in the question.

108 Nightlight  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:30:03pm

Federal officials identified the man as Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, of Nigeria, who was traveling one way, without a return ticket...
(MSNBC)

MSNBC Video
109 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:30:58pm

re: #108 Nightlight

Paying with cash is another red flag.

110 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:31:19pm

re: #102 Gus 802

I think this is a study in early reporting.

Or it could be an instance of eyewitness reliability. Perhaps both.

111 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:31:42pm

re: #108 Nightlight

Not having a return ticket could mean he was seeking citizenship or immigration status here.

112 Scriptorium  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:31:42pm

re: #97 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes--thanks for asking! Well, it's a new effort. We'll see...

113 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:32:37pm

Flightaware Flight Track NWA253

114 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:32:42pm

re: #108 Nightlight

Federal officials identified the man as Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, of Nigeria, who was traveling one way, without a return ticket...
(MSNBC)

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

That he got on the plane is quite shocking, particularly if he had a one-way ticket and was on U.S. watch lists. I guess countries don't share watch lists? I thought they did. They should.

115 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:33:27pm

re: #112 Scriptorium

Yes--thanks for asking! Well, it's a new effort. We'll see...

Nothing is better than typing the words "THE END".

116 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:34:17pm

One way? We pretty much got strip searched, when we were able to leave a business trip a day early & bought one way tickets.

117 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:34:56pm

re: #111 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not having a return ticket could mean he was seeking citizenship or immigration status here.

well he'll be here for awhile now, won't he?...why would any fool that is seeking citizenship light off explosives on his way here?

118 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:36:43pm

re: #117 albusteve

well he'll be here for awhile now, won't he?...why would any fool that is seeking citizenship light off explosives on his way here?

I was responding to a question that asked about a one way ticket.

119 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:38:00pm

re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was responding to a question that asked about a one way ticket.

whatever...that angle is a dead end

120 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:39:24pm

re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar

Merry Christmas to you.

Ho! Ho! Ho! Merry Christmas to you, too!

121 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:41:14pm

re: #107 abolitionist

My objection is with the term firecrackers in the question.

All the first reports mentioned firecrackers - all news sources.

122 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:41:39pm

re: #119 albusteve

whatever...that angle is a dead end

Why is it a dead end?

123 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:41:53pm

Good evening, fellow shape shifters.
:)

124 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:42:33pm

re: #123 Varek Raith

Good evening, fellow shape shifters.
:)

I love coast to coast and fringe.

125 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:42:50pm

re: #122 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why is it a dead end?

you cannot earn citizenship by committing terror acts on jet planes

126 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:43:29pm

re: #120 MandyManners

Ho! Ho! Ho! Merry Christmas to you, too!

If you get rid of that George Clooney guy I could get some sleep!!!

127 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:44:08pm

Now we have a different name for the suspect:

The suspect was identified as Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, who according to federal documents is an engineering student at University College of London.

He was flying from Nigeria to the United States for a religious ceremony, according to his entry visa, which was issued June 16, 2008 and was good until June 12, 2010.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

128 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:45:26pm

re: #125 albusteve

you cannot earn citizenship by committing terror acts on jet planes

But you could want citizenship and asylum and ask for it, be granted, then blow up. That is my point. Therefore the one way ticket.

129 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:46:57pm

re: #127 Gus 802


an engineering student at University College of London.


Damn. Western Educated engineering students again? Most of the guys in the Hamburg Cell who went on to commit 9-11 were engineering students too.

130 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:47:20pm

re: #128 Cannadian Club Akbar

But you could want citizenship and asylum and ask for it, be granted, then blow up. That is my point. Therefore the one way ticket.

now I see what you're sayin

131 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:47:50pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

Damn. Western Educated engineering students again? Most of the guys in the Hamburg Cell who went on to commit 9-11 were engineering students too.

Wasn't KSM a student in North Carolina?

132 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:49:16pm

It seems a man from Nigeria with a one way ticket to the states would at least inspire some serious questioning from authorities and a thorough search. Before any search, they could determine if he was, indeed, emigrating. He'd have a ton of paperwork on him and missing that, a good search would most likely have found the explosives.

I was 16 on my trip to Israel in 1977 with B'nai Brith's Young Judea group. I was asked if I had any electrical devices. I said no. They opened my suitcase and found my cassette player. I tried to explain it wasn't electrical. It ran on batteries! But three men shuttled me into a closed cubicle and went through everthing in my suitcase, including unrolling my socks. I was terrified. When satisfied I was merely an American teenager, they left me there to put everything back. I crammed my suitcases full and dashed to the plane shuttle which I nearly missed.

Anyway that's why Israel doesn't have hijacking.

133 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:49:20pm

re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wasn't KSM a student in North Carolina?

From Wiki:

He attended Chowan College, a small Baptist school in Murfreesboro, North Carolina, for a semester (beginning in 1983) before transferring to the North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University and completing a degree in mechanical engineering in 1986.

134 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:49:48pm

this whole thing stinks...if AQ is involved there is another motive for this ridiculous farce than dropping an airliner...another shiny object?

135 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:50:11pm

re: #131 Cannadian Club Akbar

Possibly, I forget.

136 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:52:17pm

re: #133 Gus 802

A ding for you.

137 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:53:03pm

re: #136 Cannadian Club Akbar

A ding for you.

Gracias.

138 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:53:22pm

re: #134 albusteve

The MSM crap about being mystified as to the motive is silly pc bullshit so they don't offend CAIR. Although he might not have been working with "real" Al Qaeda operatives (maybe just posers or wannabe's) the religious motivation is pretty clear.

139 abolitionist  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:53:25pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

Damn. Western Educated engineering students again? Most of the guys in the Hamburg Cell who went on to commit 9-11 were engineering students too.

And KSM - degree in mechanical engineering in 1986.

140 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:53:59pm

re: #139 abolitionist

And KSM - degree in mechanical engineering in 1986.

That answers the question for earlier. Thanks.

141 Sharmuta  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:54:33pm

I will be back a little later, Lizards. Merry Christmas!

142 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:54:54pm

I'm just gonna' call him Jihad Johnnie for now.

143 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:55:53pm

re: #132 marjoriemoon

It seems a man from Nigeria with a one way ticket to the states would at least inspire some serious questioning from authorities and a thorough search. Before any search, they could determine if he was, indeed, emigrating. He'd have a ton of paperwork on him and missing that, a good search would most likely have found the explosives.

exactly...the entire premise is absurd, unless you want to tie up resources, investigate the entire proccess, rewrite regs etc etc...that in itself is a small victory for AQ in that it may give them a new paradigm to work with...but then...why make it so complicated?...just drive over the border, buy all your fire power, pick out a mall and presto!....something is fishy about this whole thing imo

144 solomonpanting  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:56:51pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

The MSM crap about being mystified as to the motive is silly pc bullshit so they don't offend CAIR. Although he might not have been working with "real" Al Qaeda operatives (maybe just posers or wannabe's) the religious motivation is pretty clear.

Why would CAIR be offended? After all, it was CAIR that alerted authorities about the disappearance of the five younguns and their quest for jihad in Pakistan.

145 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:57:24pm

I saw a comment a couple days ago talking about LGF didn't talk about the ROP. Well, when shit comes up, we do. So fuck off to whom ever said it.

146 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:57:31pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

The MSM crap about being mystified as to the motive is silly pc bullshit so they don't offend CAIR. Although he might not have been working with "real" Al Qaeda operatives (maybe just posers or wannabe's) the religious motivation is pretty clear.

after all this time it's still veiled and out of bounds....somebody is having a good laugh

147 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:57:44pm

Good news is that we had a quick thinking passenger(s) on board and this attempt failed. Bad news is that we have a big security hole at EHAM (Amsterdam).

148 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:59:21pm

re: #144 solomonpanting

Why would CAIR be offended? After all, it was CAIR that alerted authorities about the disappearance of the five younguns and their quest for jihad in Pakistan.

CAIR's behavior with the Somali yutes who've left America is a rather radical departure from their historical M.O.. I've been wondering if those young men's families didn't go to CAIR and raise hell, demanding that CAIR help them get in touch with the FBI.

149 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:59:51pm

Delta Air Lines Issues Statement on Northwest Flight 253

ATLANTA, Dec. 25 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) today issued a statement regarding the incident onboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253 bound for Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County Airport from Amsterdam.

"Upon approach to Detroit, a passenger caused a disturbance onboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253. The passenger was subdued immediately and the crew requested that law enforcement meet the flight upon arrival. The flight, operated by Northwest using an Airbus 330-300 aircraft with 278 passengers onboard, landed safely. The passenger was taken into custody and questioned by law enforcement authorities. Delta is cooperating fully with authorities and additional questions should be directed to law enforcement officials who are leading the investigation."

150 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 4:59:59pm

re: #143 albusteve

exactly...the entire premise is absurd, unless you want to tie up resources, investigate the entire proccess, rewrite regs etc etc...that in itself is a small victory for AQ in that it may give them a new paradigm to work with...but then...why make it so complicated?...just drive over the border, buy all your fire power, pick out a mall and presto!...something is fishy about this whole thing imo

I'm not sure I'm following you. What do you think it's about?

151 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:00:28pm

re: #147 Gus 802

Good news is that we had a quick thinking passenger(s) on board and this attempt failed. Bad news is that we have a big security hole at EHAM (Amsterdam).

more probing for weaknesses by AQ?...just fishing

152 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:01:06pm

We can have almost-perfect security* but, all it takes is one successful effort by a jihadi.

(*I say "almost-perfect security" because nothing is perfect.)

153 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:02:05pm

re: #150 marjoriemoon

I'm not sure I'm following you. What do you think it's about?

Our freedoms working against us maybe?

154 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:02:12pm

re: #151 albusteve

more probing for weaknesses by AQ?...just fishing

Could be, or worse. If something that was allegedly taped to his leg made it through security had been successful we could have lost 278 souls today.

155 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:02:19pm

re: #150 marjoriemoon

I'm not sure I'm following you. What do you think it's about?

I agree with you that citizenship would involve way too much admin stuff and it just does not seem plausible

156 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:03:49pm

re: #155 albusteve

I agree with you that citizenship would involve way too much admin stuff and it just does not seem plausible

True. But AQ doesn't plan for a day. They plan in years. Remember that.

157 solomonpanting  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:03:51pm

re: #148 MandyManners

CAIR's behavior with the Somali yutes who've left America is a rather radical departure from their historical M.O.. I've been wondering if those young men's families didn't go to CAIR and raise hell, demanding that CAIR help them get in touch with the FBI.

That's a possibility after a farewell video was left behind.

158 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:04:38pm

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

Our freedoms working against us maybe?

As they say, freedom usually ain't free.

159 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:04:44pm

re: #154 Gus 802

Could be, or worse. If something that was allegedly taped to his leg made it through security had been successful we could have lost 278 souls today.

well that's the key to the whole thing right there...did this 'explosive' have the capability to bring down the jet....that's the only 24hr rule that interests me...if it didn't, then what?

160 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:05:59pm

re: #156 Cannadian Club Akbar

True. But AQ doesn't plan for a day. They plan in years. Remember that.

I know...talk about tenacity

161 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:06:18pm

re: #157 solomonpanting

That's a possibility after a farewell video was left behind.

Wasn't there at least one?

162 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:07:19pm

re: #155 albusteve

I agree with you that citizenship would involve way too much admin stuff and it just does not seem plausible

Well they would ask you, why are you coming to the states. If he said to emigrate, they'd ask for proof. If he had nothing to show, I would think alarms would immediately go off.

And if he was on watch lists already which one of those articles up there seemed to indicate, he most likely would not have any immigration papers.

But at this point in the investigation, we hardly know what's what.

163 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:08:17pm

Richard Reid was tied to AQ yes? He wasn't too bright either.

164 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:08:35pm

re: #156 Cannadian Club Akbar

True. But AQ doesn't plan for a day. They plan in years. Remember that.

Which is why the AQ connection here sounds fishy to me. Dearborn, which is just a few miles away from Detroit Metro airport, has the country's largest Arab population. I know they have no problem with killing Arabs and Muslims, but if you're a Muslim terrorist organization that plans things out at all, I think the last thing you want to do is blow up a plane on the runway in Detroit. There's just no way to know the effects that would have.

165 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:09:15pm

re: #162 marjoriemoon

Well they would ask you, why are you coming to the states. If he said to emigrate, they'd ask for proof. If he had nothing to show, I would think alarms would immediately go off.

And if he was on watch lists already which one of those articles up there seemed to indicate, he most likely would not have any immigration papers.

But at this point in the investigation, we hardly know what's what.

all I can say is, if this is an emmigration issue, it's a disaster

166 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:09:37pm

re: #159 albusteve

well that's the key to the whole thing right there...did this 'explosive' have the capability to bring down the jet...that's the only 24hr rule that interests me...if it didn't, then what?

I suppose that would have depended on the yield of the device. Wouldn't take much at cruising altitude of say about 40,000 feet while the aircraft is under enormous pressure.

167 solomonpanting  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:10:37pm

re: #161 MandyManners

Wasn't there at least one?

Yes, hence my reply.
Merry Christmas.

168 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:10:39pm

re: #163 marjoriemoon

Richard Reid was tied to AQ yes? He wasn't too bright either.

But what was his real name? The MSM didn't tell for the most part.

169 jaunte  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:12:29pm

re: #166 Gus 802

Someone might have been using him to test their ability to smuggle separate components to assemble in flight.

170 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:13:03pm

re: #168 Cannadian Club Akbar

But what was his real name? The MSM didn't tell for the most part.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

171 Scriptorium  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:13:16pm

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nothing is better than typing the words "THE END".

You're a writer, too!?

I'm loving it. And just did "The End" last week--and had a giant gin and tonic with a bit of rose water to celebrate. And that sounds so good right now I'll have another.

172 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:13:48pm

re: #168 Cannadian Club Akbar

But what was his real name? The MSM didn't tell for the most part.

Richard Reid was his birth name. His real name. He took on AQ aliases.

173 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:15:43pm

re: #172 marjoriemoon

Richard Reid was his birth name. His real name. He took on AQ aliases.

So, a convert? I am sure if I converted to a religion I might change my name.

174 Stuart Leviton  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:17:32pm

re: #100 MandyManners

Fox is reporting that there *might* be a link between this and Yemen and Alwaki.


I'm more concerned with the link between the alleged bomber (Nigerian) and Obama's birth certificate.
//

175 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:17:36pm

New story from WSJ:

Midair Bomb Attempt Fails
Man on Flight to Detroit Claims Al Qaeda Ties; Obama Tightens Security

...

Stephanie van Herk, a passenger from the Netherlands who was in seat 18B, said the Northwest plane had lowered its landing gear when she heard a loud bang. At first she thought the plane might have gotten a flat tire, but then she said saw a flame leap from the lap of a man sitting in the row behind her in the window seat, 19A.

"It was higher than the seat," said Ms. van Herk, who was traveling to Detroit on route to a vacation in New York.

...

176 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:18:19pm

re: #171 Scriptorium

You're a writer, too!?

I'm loving it. And just did "The End" last week--and had a giant gin and tonic with a bit of rose water to celebrate. And that sounds so good right now I'll have another.

I've written a couple things. Good for you!! Did you yell "Holy Shit" when done with the first?

177 Kewalo  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:18:21pm

re: #116 Floral Giraffe

That pretty much happened to me too when I bought a one way ticket to Las Vegas with cash. I had sailed into SF and was living in Vegas at the time. And since the ticket was only about $100 I paid cash. Never again!

178 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:18:55pm

re: #175 Gus 802

Continues:

The man was pulling his burning pants down, Stephanie van Herk said. She and several other passengers got water from the galley and the man was doused with water. Then a male Dutch passenger jumped on the perpetrator, Ms. van Herk said.

179 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:19:09pm

re: #169 jaunte

Someone might have been using him to test their ability to smuggle separate components to assemble in flight.

yikes!...experiments with explosives in flight?...he did try to light off something and it seems to have partially worked...need more info

180 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:19:27pm

re: #175 Gus 802

she said saw a flame leap from the lap of a man sitting in the row behind her

I hope he has severe burns in all the right places.

181 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:20:55pm

Friends of Irony

182 What, me worry?  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:21:06pm

re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, a convert? I am sure if I converted to a religion I might change my name.

I'm not sure I understand the whole point here. I mean, does it matter if he's a convert or not or what country he comes from? Or what the paper's call him?

The wiki on Reid said he used not one, but two aliases, Abdul Raheem and Tariq Raja. So which should they have used?

183 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:21:11pm

re: #180 Girth

I hope he has severe burns in all the right places.

Yeah. It said third degree burns.

He just earned himself a "retirement plan" at ADX, Florence, CO.

184 solomonpanting  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:21:20pm

re: #180 Girth

I hope he has severe burns in all the right places.

Probably going through groin pains.

185 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:21:23pm

re: #169 jaunte

Someone might have been using him to test their ability to smuggle separate components to assemble in flight.

But if you're doing test runs you don't light the stuff on fire and draw this kind of attention to it.

186 darthstar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:21:29pm

I'm at SEATAC right now waiting to fly home (with a Knob Creek Manhattan, of course)...but that bastard owes me a tube of toothpaste...that tube was brand-new, and the TSA just took it.

187 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:21:46pm

re: #167 solomonpanting

Yes, hence my reply.
Merry Christmas.

Merry Christmas to you, too!

188 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:21:53pm

re: #179 albusteve

yikes!...experiments with explosives in flight?...he did try to light off something and it seems to have partially worked...need more info

Albutsteve, carry the eggs. Gus 802 carry the milk. Girth, carry the pan. See how easy this is?

189 Killgore Trout  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:22:22pm

re: #186 darthstar

My condolences. Security after these events is always a nightmare.

190 abolitionist  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:22:46pm

re: #180 Girth

I hope he has severe burns in all the right places.

I hope those who conduct a physical examination check for razor burn.

191 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:23:04pm

re: #174 Stuart Leviton

I'm more concerned with the link between the alleged bomber (Nigerian) and Obama's birth certificate.
//

*snicker*

Gotta' have your priorities!

192 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:23:15pm

re: #189 Killgore Trout

My condolences. Security after these events is always a nightmare.

I'm curious if they're changing anything over a Schiphol now.

193 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:23:56pm

re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar

Albutsteve, carry the eggs. Gus 802 carry the milk. Girth, carry the pan. See how easy this is?

yes, but why crack the eggs before there is a pan?...this is sort of a bizarre story so far

194 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:24:06pm

re: #190 abolitionist

I hope those who conduct a physical examination check for razor burn.

They shave down there, too?

195 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:24:15pm

re: #186 darthstar

I'm at SEATAC right now waiting to fly home (with a Knob Creek Manhattan, of course)...but that bastard owes me a tube of toothpaste...that tube was brand-new, and the TSA just took it.

I have toothpaste and it's 65 degrees!! Weelcome to Florida!!

196 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:24:35pm

re: #175 Gus 802

New story from WSJ:

Midair Bomb Attempt Fails
Man on Flight to Detroit Claims Al Qaeda Ties; Obama Tightens Security

And it doesn't matter if he was really affiliated or self-dispatched. Jihad is what jihad does.

197 abolitionist  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:25:07pm

re: #194 MandyManners

They shave down there, too?

Didn't you see the opening scene of Flight 93 ?

198 darthstar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:25:29pm

re: #189 Killgore Trout

My condolences. Security after these events is always a nightmare.

Back when Bush 43 was president, I was flying weekly for business. One day they had us taking our laptops out and turning them on, and I said, "What, did the president give another speech last night?" Ironically, he had, and he'd raised the threat level to Orange (this was before the 2002 mid-term elections).

199 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:25:36pm

re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have toothpaste and it's 65 degrees!! Weelcome to Florida!!

*WHACK*

(You knew that was coming.)

200 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:25:45pm

re: #193 albusteve

yes, but why crack the eggs before there is a pan?...this is sort of a bizarre story so far

If you can add things together, a 3 part or 4 part mix could do the trick.

201 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:25:59pm

re: #197 abolitionist

Didn't you see the opening scene of Flight 93 ?

I musta' missed that bit.

202 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:26:01pm

re: #186 darthstar

I'm at SEATAC right now waiting to fly home (with a Knob Creek Manhattan, of course)...but that bastard owes me a tube of toothpaste...that tube was brand-new, and the TSA just took it.

They confiscated a new can of shaving cream from me in Atlanta. My fault, I didn't remember to read the carry-on packing instructions. The TSA guy and I both agreed that it was a shame to just toss it out, but them's the rules.

203 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:26:54pm

re: #202 The Sanity Inspector

They confiscated a new can of shaving cream from me in Atlanta. My fault, I didn't remember to read the carry-on packing instructions. The TSA guy and I both agreed that it was a shame to just toss it out, but them's the rules.

I wish discarded items could be donated to shelters.

204 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:28:49pm

re: #202 The Sanity Inspector

They confiscated a new can of shaving cream from me in Atlanta. My fault, I didn't remember to read the carry-on packing instructions. The TSA guy and I both agreed that it was a shame to just toss it out, but them's the rules.

Agreed. I went to LA and got a free razor from the hotel. They liked me!!
/I actually did get a razor.

205 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:29:03pm

re: #186 darthstar

Merry Christmas!
Be glad you live where you can get toothpaste!
Hope you have a safe & short trip!

206 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:29:24pm

Weird:

Innovative Security Scan simplifies passenger control at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

The Security Scan is voluntary

From today, passengers will find a Security Scan at Pier H and another one near the Pier E gate. In the months to come, a total of 17 Security Scans will be installed in the Terminal. Subsequently it will be decided whether the Security Scan should be introduced for security control procedures on a larger scale. For the time being, passengers will have a choice between using the Security Scan or going through regular security procedures.

Then I found this:

Approximately, 15 locations in the airport have L3 millimeter wave scanning machines in use. Although these products have met with criticism in the United States, von Adrichmem said it is rare that passengers opt out of being scanned with the machine.

207 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:29:51pm

re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you can add things together, a 3 part or 4 part mix could do the trick.

the whole concept is just too complicated and cumbersome for committing a terror act....either someone has an unrealistic fetish for jets or there is another thing going on here...AQ may have just set up the doofus and let him go regardless that the success is clearly not presumed...a big waste of time imo

208 jaunte  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:29:59pm

re: #185 Girth

But if you're doing test runs you don't light the stuff on fire and draw this kind of attention to it.

It doesn't make much sense. But then I guess they wouldn't use the smartest people to run a test.

209 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:30:08pm

re: #203 MandyManners

I wish discarded items could be donated to shelters.

I work for a place that threw our 400 pounds of meat during training. It's a shame.

210 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:30:15pm

You can "opt out" of an automated body scan at EHAM.

211 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:30:22pm

re: #198 darthstar

Travelling for business is SO OVERRATED. People have no idea!
Hang in there!

212 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:31:38pm

re: #209 Cannadian Club Akbar

I work for a place that threw our 400 pounds of meat during training. It's a shame.

It's morally repugnant.

213 vbspurs  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:31:54pm

A very Merry Christmas to Sharmuta, and all my chums on LGF! In the past two months we've had an escalation of terrorist attacks by Muslims on US soil. All I wish for this Christmas, is safety for my fellow Americans.

214 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:31:56pm

re: #210 Gus 802

You can "opt out" of an automated body scan at EHAM.

I wonder if Jihad Johnnie did.

215 solomonpanting  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:32:06pm
One of the U.S. intelligence officials said the explosive device was a mix of powder and liquid. It failed when the passenger tried to detonate it.
216 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:32:17pm

re: #182 marjoriemoon

I'm not sure I understand the whole point here. I mean, does it matter if he's a convert or not or what country he comes from? Or what the paper's call him?

The wiki on Reid said he used not one, but two aliases, Abdul Raheem and Tariq Raja. So which should they have used?

I think that the convert issue can be a political football. Also, as to country of origin, I think that Americans are very interested in homegrown (US) terrorists. The issue of homegrown terrorists may be interesting to pick apart as to the reason of "why" an American turns to terrorism against their own country.

217 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:32:31pm

re: #207 albusteve

the whole concept is just too complicated and cumbersome for committing a terror act...either someone has an unrealistic fetish for jets or there is another thing going on here...AQ may have just set up the doofus and let him go regardless that the success is clearly not presumed...a big waste of time imo


This is true. But, AQ is not stupid. Plus, look over here..shiny object. Now, over there BOOM.

218 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:32:50pm

re: #214 MandyManners

I wonder if Jihad Johnnie did.

Let me think about that for a minute nanosecond.

I'm sure he did.

219 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:33:48pm

re: #216 prairiefire

I think that the convert issue can be a political football. Also, as to country of origin, I think that Americans are very interested in homegrown (US) terrorists. The issue of homegrown terrorists may be interesting to pick apart as to the reason of "why" an American turns to terrorism against their own country.

It rhymes with "knee-wad".

220 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:34:01pm

More details.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

The device was technologically advanced and potentially devastating, Mr. King said. "This was not a firecracker," he said.

Stephanie van Herk, a passenger from the Netherlands who was in seat 18B, said the Northwest plane had lowered its landing gear when she heard a loud bang. At first she thought the plane might have gotten a flat tire, but then she said saw a flame leap from the lap of a man sitting in the row behind her in the window seat, 19A.

"It was higher than the seat," said Ms. van Herk, who was traveling to Detroit on route to a vacation in New York.

...

221 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:35:01pm

re: #219 MandyManners

It rhymes with "knee-wad".

Absolutely! Religious jihad is an incredibly strong compulsion.

222 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:35:21pm

re: #216 prairiefire

I think that the convert issue can be a political football. Also, as to country of origin, I think that Americans are very interested in homegrown (US) terrorists. The issue of homegrown terrorists may be interesting to pick apart as to the reason of "why" an American turns to terrorism against their own country.

over 300mil people here...chances are excellent some of them hate America for one reason or another

223 SixDegrees  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:35:31pm

re: #209 Cannadian Club Akbar

I work for a place that threw our 400 pounds of meat during training. It's a shame.

Damn.

My son's currently attending culinary school. Their classes are organized around the operation of a teaching restaurant on campus, so a class learning knife skills will practice by cutting up whatever's on the menu that day, and all other classes are similarly organized so there is very little waste. The restaurant charges extremely low prices and is open to all - faculty, students and the general public. Pretty sweet setup.

Can anything be done at your facility to make better use of the food? I understand that training is important, and often results in products that can't be served to the normal clientele, but perhaps there are other venues that could make use of it somehow.

224 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:35:44pm

Time for an obnoxiously hoppy IPA.

225 Right Brain  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:35:53pm

The Associated Press, with its trademark sense of humor, says that "[t]he motive of the Christmas Day attack was not immediately clear."

226 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:36:22pm

re: #216 prairiefire

I think that the convert issue can be a political football. Also, as to country of origin, I think that Americans are very interested in homegrown (US) terrorists. The issue of homegrown terrorists may be interesting to pick apart as to the reason of "why" an American turns to terrorism against their own country.

The Saudis have been exporting Wahabbism to Nigeria among other nations. I remember an episode of Frontline or something, with an interview with a Nigerian imam complain about all the radical clerics flooding into the country, stirring up conflict with the Christian and animist neighbors.

227 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:36:57pm

re: #225 Right Brain

The Associated Press, with its trademark sense of humor, says that "[t]he motive of the Christmas Day attack was not immediately clear."

Part of the answer is staring at their face: Christmas Day.

228 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:38:06pm

re: #225 Right Brain

The Associated Press, with its trademark sense of humor, says that "[t]he motive of the Christmas Day attack was not immediately clear."

And if we restrict ourselves to reading only the AP, it'll never be clear.

229 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:38:23pm

re: #222 albusteve

People are interesting to me, psychosis included.

230 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:38:34pm

re: #220 Bobibutu

More details.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

The device was technologically advanced and potentially devastating, Mr. King said. "This was not a firecracker," he said.

Stephanie van Herk, a passenger from the Netherlands who was in seat 18B, said the Northwest plane had lowered its landing gear when she heard a loud bang. At first she thought the plane might have gotten a flat tire, but then she said saw a flame leap from the lap of a man sitting in the row behind her in the window seat, 19A.

"It was higher than the seat," said Ms. van Herk, who was traveling to Detroit on route to a vacation in New York.

...

so advanced the guy couldn't make it work...sounds like King is going CYA

231 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:40:54pm

re: #227 Gus 802

Part of the answer is staring at their face: Christmas Day.

Today's DUH alert for the media.

232 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:41:11pm

Schipol security scan again:

The choice is yours. This new way of inspecting persons may be different from what you are used to. This is why the use of the Security Scan is not obligatory.

From: Leaflet Security Scan

233 Kewalo  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:41:41pm

re: #230 albusteve

so advanced the guy couldn't make it work...sounds like King is going CYA

Anybody else find it weird that the writers of this article called Rep. King, Mr. King?

234 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:41:44pm

re: #230 albusteve

so advanced the guy couldn't make it work...sounds like King is going CYA

Sounds like it sorta worked. I'd guess but my EOD days are over 50 years old.

235 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:41:59pm

re: #231 Floral Giraffe

Today's DUH alert for the media.

Right.

"You think there was a reason behind the day chosen, Christmas Day?"

Duh!

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:42:36pm

re: #223 SixDegrees

The place I work has Zero organization. Makes me move towards trying to start my own place.

237 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:43:12pm

re: #226 The Sanity Inspector

The Saudis have been exporting Wahabbism to Nigeria among other nations. I remember an episode of Frontline or something, with an interview with a Nigerian imam complain about all the radical clerics flooding into the country, stirring up conflict with the Christian and animist neighbors.

The Saudis, oy. I went for a semester of college to an international school in england. My roommate and I posted a "prayer meeting" sign for our room for folks who were homesick. After that, the gal from Saudi Arabia hated me with a passion, a fire in her eyes, flying daggers passion. She made sure that the other Muslim girls from Oman and Jordan would not speak to me.
Coming from my mid-west tower, it was an eye opener. This was the early 80's. People would mention this country or that hating America. I would always say that's nothing compared to the hatred from Saudi Arabia.

238 jaunte  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:43:18pm

re: #233 Kewalo

Usually they write Representative in the first mention, then Mr. after that.

239 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:43:54pm

re: #235 Gus 802

I miss the Gaza Rooster.
I know y'all ate him & he was tasty.
BUT.
He was rocking with his calls.

240 SixDegrees  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:43:57pm

re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar

The place I work has Zero organization. Makes me move towards trying to start my own place.

Sounds like a plan.

241 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:45:01pm

re: #233 Kewalo

Anybody else find it weird that the writers of this article called Rep. King, Mr. King?

the whole thing is fishy....advanced?, potentially devastating?...how does he know so soon and if he does how come he didn't know before?...caught off guard with some new sci-fi device?....it stinks to me

242 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:45:37pm

re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar

Organizational skills are MUCH under valued. Except by those, who like to be organized. Call me the filer, but I can FIND what I need, when I want it!

243 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:47:16pm

re: #241 albusteve

the whole thing is fishy...advanced?, potentially devastating?...how does he know so soon and if he does how come he didn't know before?...caught off guard with some new sci-fi device?...it stinks to me

Rep. King has blown hard before. I'm going to try to follow the 24 hour rule.

244 Kewalo  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:47:45pm

re: #238 jaunte

Thanks, I guess what's odd is I never noticed it before.

245 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:48:08pm

re: #242 Floral Giraffe

Organizational skills are MUCH under valued. Except by those, who like to be organized. Call me the filer, but I can FIND what I need, when I want it!

Looking for a job. ;-)

246 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:48:41pm

re: #242 Floral Giraffe

Organizational skills are MUCH under valued. Except by those, who like to be organized. Call me the filer, but I can FIND what I need, when I want it!

It's on a piece of paper on my desk.

247 SixDegrees  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:48:52pm

re: #243 Stanley Sea

Rep. King has blown hard before. I'm going to try to follow the 24 hour rule.

Probably a wise idea. There's a whole lot about this story that doesn't make much sense, and that's probably due to rapid, slipshod reporting getting the facts wrong as much as anything else.

248 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:49:56pm

Times on Line version...
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

249 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:50:14pm

re: #243 Stanley Sea

Rep. King has blown hard before. I'm going to try to follow the 24 hour rule.

yup...I'm done with it for now...
how bout dem COWBOYS?

250 Kewalo  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:50:25pm

re: #241 albusteve

the whole thing is fishy...advanced?, potentially devastating?...how does he know so soon and if he does how come he didn't know before?...caught off guard with some new sci-fi device?...it stinks to me

It seems fishy to me too. I can't say why though. It looks like we're going to have to wait to get the full story.

You would think he would have tried this before he left the ground rather then take a chance and set his crotch on fire. That sounds pretty damn stupid to me.

251 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:50:32pm

re: #247 SixDegrees

Probably a wise idea. There's a whole lot about this story that doesn't make much sense, and that's probably due to rapid, slipshod reporting getting the facts wrong as much as anything else.

Like CNN reporting that DC was under attack?

252 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:52:07pm

re: #245 Bobibutu

No, I LIKE the retired thing.
Especially, the "but you're too young!" part!
Seriously.
I'm caring for an 86 y/o Mom, so "retired" isn't quite the right term.
But, I report to me!
And I do as best as I can.....

253 solomonpanting  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:52:24pm

re: #233 Kewalo

Anybody else find it weird that the writers of this article called Rep. King, Mr. King?

Well, he is the ranking GOP member of the House Homeland Security Committee.

254 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:52:36pm

re: #239 Floral Giraffe

I miss the Gaza Rooster.
I know y'all ate him & he was tasty.
BUT.
He was rocking with his calls.

Roosters are tough as all get out!

That was a very interesting web cam back then. Probably more famous than the SD Chicken now.

255 Nightlight  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:53:25pm

yes the whole thing is fishy... the guy is not on a no fly list, but at the same time his name is on a list for having terrorist connections?

"He is a 23 year old Nigerian who is also - it's been confirmed to me - while he was not on a no fly list, his name was on a list for having terrorist connections," King said during an interview Christmas evening on CNN.

[Link: thehill.com...]

256 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:54:42pm

re: #243 Stanley Sea

Rep. King has blown hard before. I'm going to try to follow the 24 hour rule.

Right. Maybe the guy just had a bad accident with his fajitas.

/

257 jaunte  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:54:52pm

re: #255 Nightlight

After you set a fire on board, they check the list.

258 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:55:07pm

re: #254 Bobibutu

LOL!
Lots of us sat for HOURS waiting for something to happen!
We got some good things blowing up,
but mostly we were entertained by the roosters crowing at dawn.
Desperate for entertainment?
Why yes, so what!
LOL!

259 Varek Raith  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:56:29pm

Wheeeee! Endless media speculation!
*TV off*

260 ryannon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:56:39pm

re: #258 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Lots of us sat for HOURS waiting for something to happen!
We got some good things blowing up,
but mostly we were entertained by the roosters crowing at dawn.
Desperate for entertainment?
Why yes, so what!
LOL!

Those were good times on LGF....

Strange but good times.

261 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:56:52pm

OT - Is it wrong to add Milk Duds to ice cream? I haven't done this yet, but I have the means to. And I've been really lazy for a couple of weeks but I haven't gained back the 30 pounds I lost last year when I got serious about exercise and diet.

262 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:57:52pm

re: #249 albusteve

yup...I'm done with it for now...
how bout dem COWBOYS?

You need to get rid of Wade Phillips, and I'm convinced that Tony Romo is more lucky than good.

263 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:58:10pm

re: #261 Mad Al-Jaffee

Are you making the ice cream? If so, yes. It is your ice cream.

264 freetoken  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:58:56pm

re: #261 Mad Al-Jaffee

They get pretty hard when frozen, no?

265 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:59:10pm

re: #263 Cannadian Club Akbar

Are you making the ice cream? If so, yes. It is your ice cream.

No, unfortunately it's Ben & Jerry's. They're annoying hippies, but I can't resist buying their product when it's on sale.

266 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:59:30pm

re: #252 Floral Giraffe

No, I LIKE the retired thing.
Especially, the "but you're too young!" part!
Seriously.
I'm caring for an 86 y/o Mom, so "retired" isn't quite the right term.
But, I report to me!
And I do as best as I can...

Blessings upon you.

Roger on "I report to me"!

Like you, my older sister (pushing 70) is the archivist. When I need something ... I ask her first.

267 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:59:52pm

re: #261 Mad Al-Jaffee

OT - Is it wrong to add Milk Duds to ice cream? I haven't done this yet, but I have the means to. And I've been really lazy for a couple of weeks but I haven't gained back the 30 pounds I lost last year when I got serious about exercise and diet.

Mind your bridgework.

268 ryannon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 5:59:55pm

re: #263 Cannadian Club Akbar

Are you making the ice cream? If so, yes. It is your ice cream.

"This is my ice cream. There are many like it, but this one is mine..."

269 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:00:02pm

re: #262 Girth

You need to get rid of Wade Phillips, and I'm convinced that Tony Romo is more lucky than good.

hater!...then Romo has been awfully lucky the last four or five games...119+ QB rating

270 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:00:07pm

re: #265 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, unfortunately it's Ben & Jerry's. They're annoying hippies, but I can't resist buying their product when it's on sale.

Smoke some pot and add Whoppers.

271 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:01:32pm

re: #270 Cannadian Club Akbar

Smoke some pot and add Whoppers.

I'll skip the Woppers, thanx

272 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:01:52pm

re: #270 Cannadian Club Akbar

Smoke some pot and add Whoppers.

If only I could. I have a security clearance, and even before that I stopped indulging.

273 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:02:06pm

re: #269 albusteve

hater!...then Romo has been awfully lucky the last four or five games...119+ QB rating

Not a hater, I just call it like I see it.

274 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:02:12pm

re: #255 Nightlight

yes the whole thing is fishy... the guy is not on a no fly list, but at the same time his name is on a list for having terrorist connections?

"He is a 23 year old Nigerian who is also - it's been confirmed to me - while he was not on a no fly list, his name was on a list for having terrorist connections," King said during an interview Christmas evening on CNN.

[Link: thehill.com...]

Every alphabet soup agency has a list and they do not share. It's a problem and not one easily overcome.

275 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:03:46pm

re: #273 Girth

Not a hater, I just call it like I see it.

well then see the numbers...their D has held five teams to their least amt of points this year...and Phillips calls the defense

276 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:04:17pm

I never inhaled

277 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:05:22pm

re: #258 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Lots of us sat for HOURS waiting for something to happen!
We got some good things blowing up,
but mostly we were entertained by the roosters crowing at dawn.
Desperate for entertainment?
Why yes, so what!
LOL!

I think I can count the hours slept back then without using all my fingers and toes. Kept a window open 24/7 on my screen while tending to other stuff.

278 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:05:25pm

re: #276 albusteve

I never inhaled

Ice bong.

279 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:05:43pm

re: #276 albusteve

I never inhaled

;)

280 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:07:08pm

re: #275 albusteve

well then see the numbers...their D has held five teams to their least amt of points this year...and Phillips calls the defense

Which five teams?

281 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:08:08pm

re: #280 Girth

Which five teams?

I'm betting Tampa is on the list.

282 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:08:29pm

re: #280 Girth

Which five teams?

NYG
WASH
NO
SD
can't remember the other one

283 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:10:25pm

re: #282 albusteve

NYG
WASH
NO
SD
can't remember the other one

See my #281.

284 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:11:37pm

I certainly hope that while the perp was wrestled to the floor with his leg on fire that he was not in any way belly slapped, pushed up against a wall and that the cabin temperature was not cold. I also hope that he at no time gagged on a beverage on the flight nor was exposed to anyone reading Harry Potter out loud. And I hope no one on board was waving an American flag.

I would hate for a guy on a terrorist watch list with the rights of any American (because he is a world citizen, after all) to experience any sort of jingoism, fascism, torture or inhospitality while simply expressing his political opinions with incendiary devices.

/

285 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:13:04pm

re: #260 ryannon

I had fun.
Didn't you?
LOL!

silence...........
BOOM!

286 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:15:16pm

re: #284 karmic_inquisitor

I certainly hope that while the perp was wrestled to the floor with his leg on fire that he was not in any way belly slapped, pushed up against a wall and that the cabin temperature was not cold. I also hope that he at no time gagged on a beverage on the flight nor was exposed to anyone reading Harry Potter out loud. And I hope no one on board was waving an American flag.

I would hate for a guy on a terrorist watch list with the rights of any American (because he is a world citizen, after all) to experience any sort of jingoism, fascism, torture or inhospitality while simply expressing his political opinions with incendiary devices.

/

If I was on the plane he would have just gotten a beating.

287 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:15:25pm

re: #283 Cannadian Club Akbar

See my #281.

oh man...don't make me look it up, that's hard!...actually maybe it was just those four teams...here's another...

only two teams in the league rank in the top ten in both passing and rushing...Dallas ranks 7th in both...the other is NO who they crushed last week

the Cowboys are a VERY dangerous football team, forget the record

288 ryannon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:15:33pm

re: #285 Floral Giraffe

I had fun.
Didn't you?
LOL!

silence...
BOOM!

Youtube Video
289 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:17:15pm

re: #286 Cannadian Club Akbar

If I was on the plane he would have just gotten a beating.

I have a sneaking suspicion that he got such a thing.

A Festivus miracle.

290 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:17:57pm

re: #282 albusteve

NYG
WASH
NO
SD
can't remember the other one

They lost both games to the Giants, 33-31 and 24-31.
The Redskins are a train wreck this year, and they only won 6-7.
The Saints game was impressive for the first three quarters. If I were the Cowboys I'm really hoping I don't have to see them in the playoffs.
The Chargers won that game 20-17.

Holding your opponent to a subpar offensive performance is great, of course. But you still have to win the game.

291 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:18:12pm

re: #284 karmic_inquisitor

I certainly hope that while the perp was wrestled to the floor with his leg on fire that he was not in any way belly slapped, pushed up against a wall and that the cabin temperature was not cold. I also hope that he at no time gagged on a beverage on the flight nor was exposed to anyone reading Harry Potter out loud. And I hope no one on board was waving an American flag.

I would hate for a guy on a terrorist watch list with the rights of any American (because he is a world citizen, after all) to experience any sort of jingoism, fascism, torture or inhospitality while simply expressing his political opinions with incendiary devices.

/

NO KIMCHI FOR YOU!

292 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:18:36pm

Romo's TD to pick ratio, right now is better than Aikmans ever was...1.4something...only Rodgers and Brees is better right now, this week...Romo is protecting the ball very well

293 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:20:01pm

re: #291 MandyManners

NO KIMCHI FOR YOU!

IN BED!

294 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:21:11pm

re: #290 Girth

They lost both games to the Giants, 33-31 and 24-31.
The Redskins are a train wreck this year, and they only won 6-7.
The Saints game was impressive for the first three quarters. If I were the Cowboys I'm really hoping I don't have to see them in the playoffs.
The Chargers won that game 20-17.

Holding your opponent to a subpar offensive performance is great, of course. But you still have to win the game.

no shit...Romo was superb against SD and they lost, and of course nobody wants to plat NO, let alone twice...but that games said volumes for Dallas, a monumental victory that's just anothe W in the win column

295 Racer X  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:21:11pm

re: #276 albusteve

I never inhaled

I never exhaled.

296 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:21:40pm

re: #292 albusteve

Romo's TD to pick ratio, right now is better than Aikmans ever was...1.4something...only Rodgers and Brees is better right now, this week...Romo is protecting the ball very well

Well then bring on the game. Romo isn't that good.

297 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:22:04pm

To continue the earlier discussion.

298 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:22:25pm

re: #290 Girth

they cut Nick Folk after the NO game...miss another chip shot to ice it

299 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:23:59pm

re: #296 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well then bring on the game. Romo isn't that good.

yes he is...his numbers are excellent...what'da want from the guy...another pro bowl is likely

300 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:24:29pm

re: #295 Racer X

I never exhaled.

you Smurf!

301 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:25:01pm

re: #298 albusteve

they cut Nick Folk after the NO game...miss another chip shot to ice it

Yeah, I watched that game. I knew he was a dead man walking, he was my fantasy kicker earlier in the season, I know how bad he's been. I benched him a while back.

302 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:25:31pm

More of the same (sorry)

303 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:25:53pm

re: #291 MandyManners

NO KIMCHI FOR YOU!

Yes - I have seen the light and discarded my McVeigh Juche - I was nothing but a rabid Americanist jingoistic fascist troglodyte.

304 Racer X  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:27:10pm

Odd Couple Demands Probe of Rahm Emanuel at Freddie as More Money Rolls In

Two strange bedfellows have asked Attorney General Eric Holder to investigate President Obama's right-hand man, chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, for his potential role in the near collapse of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The letter by Jane Hamsher, founder of the liberal Firedoglake Web site, and Grover Norquist, Americans for Tax Reform Chief, was sent Wednesday, one day before the Treasury Department announced that it will lift the $400 billion financial cap on loans to the government-sponsored enterprises to make sure they stay afloat.

They cited a Chicago Tribune story that described a plan by the executives and the board to use accounting tricks to show shareholders they were reaping massive profits even as they continued down a path of risky investments.

The profits were then used to justify the executives' big bonuses. When Emanuel left the board to enter Congress in 2002, he was qualified for $380,000 in stock and options and $20,000 cash.

305 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:28:59pm

OT - probably my favorite soul song. No video. And I may be going down there in the near future.

Youtube Video
306 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:29:09pm

re: #301 Girth

Yeah, I watched that game. I knew he was a dead man walking, he was my fantasy kicker earlier in the season, I know how bad he's been. I benched him a while back.

he was just awesome until he had hip surgery...a pro bowl rookie with a big leg...it's a shame
last year, I do not recall the opponent, he stepped up and booted a 53yarder on the last play of the game, but time was called to ice him and he walked up and split the uprights a second time....maybe it was two years ago against Buffalo?...guy was absolutely fearless

307 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:29:55pm

I am moving to a better computer. See ya'll on the LNDT.

308 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:30:50pm

re: #307 Cannadian Club Akbar

Christmas present?

309 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:31:08pm

re: #299 albusteve

yes he is...his numbers are excellent...what'da want from the guy...another pro bowl is likely

My impression of the guy is just that, my impression. Hell, I'm quite fond of the saying "Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good." If he's on my team I sure as hell wouldn't cut him. Kinda the same thing with Phillips. It's just an impression from seeing the way he reacts sometimes on the field.

Like I said, I'm not a Cowboy hater, I just love the game.

310 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:31:20pm

re: #304 Racer X

The hard left is almost as rabidly pissed at Obama as the hard right. My leftist siblings want to march on Washington. "Continuation of Bush policies" is what I heard. I antagonized them with "That's a good thing". Christmas cheer all around!

Next 3 months will be interesting to watch.

311 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:32:57pm

re: #306 albusteve

By the way, it would be great if the Cowboys would win while giving up a ton of yards and scores through the air. It's championship week and I need the points from Jason Campbell.

312 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:33:08pm

re: #309 Girth

My impression of the guy is just that, my impression. Hell, I'm quite fond of the saying "Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good." If he's on my team I sure as hell wouldn't cut him. Kinda the same thing with Phillips. It's just an impression from seeing the way he reacts sometimes on the field.

Like I said, I'm not a Cowboy hater, I just love the game.

football is life!

313 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:35:47pm

re: #311 Girth

By the way, it would be great if the Cowboys would win while giving up a ton of yards and scores through the air. It's championship week and I need the points from Jason Campbell.

Campbell has been hurt, his shoulder...but he will play...these games are very unpredictable with these two teams...each has been severely humbled by the other in past times...the Skins, for all their faults, are no joke to the CBoys

314 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:35:48pm

re: #312 albusteve

football is life!

Amen to that. I'd like to get back into coaching. I volunteered for a local high school a few years ago and coached the freshman offensive line. Most fun I've had in a long time, especially since they went 8-1.

315 Firstinla  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:36:43pm

After lurking here for months I gave myself a great Christmas present: I finally registered as a LGF scaly person. May all your wishes for 2010 be fulfilled. Blessings to all!

316 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:37:00pm

re: #304 Racer X

Rahm is dirty, no doubt...the question is, who cares?

317 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:39:05pm

re: #314 Girth

Amen to that. I'd like to get back into coaching. I volunteered for a local high school a few years ago and coached the freshman offensive line. Most fun I've had in a long time, especially since they went 8-1.

my son was a local superstar...high school football rocks...maybe the most fun I've ever had...coaching must be very rewarding, good for you

318 Filala  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:44:31pm

re: #261 Mad Al-Jaffee
Mad Al, you can have your ice cream anyway you want it.
Milk Duds sound like a pretty good choice, However, remember how hard it was to take off those 30 lbs and don't go for seconds.

319 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:44:41pm

re: #315 Firstinla

After lurking here for months I gave myself a great Christmas present: I finally registered as a LGF scaly person. May all your wishes for 2010 be fulfilled. Blessings to all!

kinda quiet, so I will be your welcoming committee...welcome! and Merry Christmas!

320 shai_au  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:44:49pm

Him saying that he was working for Al-Qaida doesn't necessarily make it true. He could be covering for another terrorist organisation, or could be just plain crazy with no terrorist affiliations. Seems a bit weird to blurt out "I'M WORKING FOR AL QAIDA" so soon after arrest.

Of course, he could be telling the truth. But as always, I'm going to wait for a bit.

321 shai_au  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:45:27pm

Oh, I see you're all talking about American football. Never mind me, then. :)

322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:46:24pm

re: #321 shai_au

Oh, I see you're all talking about American football. Never mind me, then. :)

There's another kind of football?

323 shai_au  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:47:18pm

re: #322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's another kind of football?

So I've heard!

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:48:54pm

re: #323 shai_au

So I've heard!

You talking about kickball?

325 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:49:10pm

re: #303 karmic_inquisitor

Yes - I have seen the light and discarded my McVeigh Juche - I was nothing but a rabid Americanist jingoistic fascist troglodyte.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

326 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:49:11pm

re: #318 Filala

Yeah, I did pretty good with the routine last year (and soon it will be two years ago.) I kind of miss the Krav Maga training (which really got me in shape), but that's all right. I'm not hungry anymore, so I'll have the sundae later this weekend.

327 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:49:42pm

re: #322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's another kind of football?

Hmm, I don't know.

Well, there's that crazy football they play up north, where the Rough Riders beat the Rough Riders, damn Canadians...

The rest of the world seems to like to kick round balls...

328 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:50:04pm

re: #304 Racer X

Norquist?! Wowza. There's a name I've not heard for a long time.

329 shai_au  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:50:32pm

re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To be slightly more serious, there is Australian Rules football (or AFL) that we play down here. It's very, very different to the American game.

330 Firstinla  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:52:58pm

re: #319 albusteve

kinda quiet, so I will be your welcoming committee...welcome! and Merry Christmas!

Thanks for the welcome. Sometimes quiet is good, as in a beautiful Christmas snowfall.

331 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:53:08pm

It appears that the Titans have decided that they don't really want to go to the playoffs. Or they picked the wrong week to play the Chargers.

332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:53:10pm

re: #329 shai_au

To be slightly more serious, there is Australian Rules football (or AFL) that we play down here. It's very, very different to the American game.

Interesting... the other day, on the radio, someone was talking about concussions in the NFL and the lack of concussions in Aussie Rules football.

They explained that the helmets make the players more daring... but I've watched Aussie rules football... sissies, need not apply... tough sport.

333 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:54:35pm

This is serious, I don't want to discount it in any way, but just to note, Rep. King got the dude's name wrong in his first statement.

"Rep. Peter King (R-NY), never one to keep a tight lid on breaking intel, says the man's name is Abdul Mudallad Umar Farouk and that the flight originated in Nigeria and went through Amsterdam"

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

334 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:56:08pm

I won't *fuck you!* post anything *fuck you!* about *fuck you!* the *fuck you!* Redskins.

335 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:57:35pm

re: #334 Mad Al-Jaffee

I won't *fuck you!* post anything *fuck you!* about *fuck you!* the *fuck you!* Redskins.

two words
Dan Snyder

336 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:59:32pm

re: #334 Mad Al-Jaffee

I won't *fuck you!* post anything *fuck you!* about *fuck you!* the *fuck you!* Redskins.

I heard an announcer say the other day that they have one guy who calls pass plays and another who calls runs. That team is a clusterfuck. And Dan Snyder.

337 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:59:36pm

re: #326 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah, I did pretty good with the routine last year (and soon it will be two years ago.) I kind of miss the Krav Maga training (which really got me in shape), but that's all right. I'm not hungry anymore, so I'll have the sundae later this weekend.

Serious stuff ... where did you learn?

338 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:00:00pm

re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Interesting... the other day, on the radio, someone was talking about concussions in the NFL and the lack of concussions in Aussie Rules football.

They explained that the helmets make the players more daring... but I've watched Aussie rules football... sissies, need not apply... tough sport.

there is nothing to compare American football to, speed, contact, strategy...anything else pales in comparison

339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:00:23pm

re: #335 albusteve

Dan Snyder

There ever been a worse owner?

340 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:00:50pm

re: #335 albusteve

two words
Dan Snyder

Easy for you to say, bro! I look like his twin brother - down to the glasses and Jewfro hair! It's dangerous to be who I am these days in the DC area!

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:00:57pm

re: #334 Mad Al-Jaffee

Redskins fan?

342 Girth  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:02:35pm

re: #339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There ever been a worse owner?

Al Davis could compete, but at least he used to win.

343 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:02:52pm

re: #336 Girth

I heard an announcer say the other day that they have one guy who calls pass plays and another who calls runs. That team is a clusterfuck. And Dan Snyder.

Sherm Lewis does nothing but call pass plays, and he never even speaks to Zorn...the coaches are already being interviewed for his job...an epic clusterfuck....they are actually playing with no head coach, and their QB called out the team for quitting on the NYG last week...a HUGE mess

344 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:03:38pm

re: #339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There ever been a worse owner?

in principle yes...Bill Ford, Detroit

345 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:04:12pm

re: #338 albusteve

there is nothing to compare American football to, speed, contact, strategy...anything else pales in comparison

You find out life’s this game of inches. So is football. Because in either game, life or football, the margin for error is so small -- I mean one-half a step too late, or too early, and you don’t quite make it. One-half second too slow, too fast, you don’t quite catch it.

The inches we need are everywhere around us.

They’re in every break of the game, every minute, every second.

On this team, we fight for that inch. On this team, we tear ourselves and everyone else around us to pieces for that inch.

346 MandyManners  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:04:32pm

I want to thank Northwest for delivering my sister safely tonight. She got stuck in a large airport yesterday but she's here now and The Kid is ecstatic! (I cannot tell you how freaked out I was when I heard the initial reports about the jihadi--all I heard was "Northwest" and "bomb".)

Joy!

Youtube Video
347 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:04:34pm

re: #340 Mad Al-Jaffee

Easy for you to say, bro! I look like his twin brother - down to the glasses and Jewfro hair! It's dangerous to be who I am these days in the DC area!

get some RayBans and a rubber nose...problem solved!

348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:05:36pm

re: #345 SteveC

That original? That's great.

349 Digital Display  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:06:09pm

re: #345 SteveC

You find out life’s this game of inches. So is football. Because in either game, life or football, the margin for error is so small -- I mean one-half a step too late, or too early, and you don’t quite make it. One-half second too slow, too fast, you don’t quite catch it.

The inches we need are everywhere around us.

They’re in every break of the game, every minute, every second.

On this team, we fight for that inch. On this team, we tear ourselves and everyone else around us to pieces for that inch.

Al Pacino Did those lines perfect...

350 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:06:43pm

re: #345 SteveC

You find out life’s this game of inches. So is football. Because in either game, life or football, the margin for error is so small -- I mean one-half a step too late, or too early, and you don’t quite make it. One-half second too slow, too fast, you don’t quite catch it.

The inches we need are everywhere around us.

They’re in every break of the game, every minute, every second.

On this team, we fight for that inch. On this team, we tear ourselves and everyone else around us to pieces for that inch.

well said bro...and then there is the team aspect, winning and losing, effort, failure, sportsmanship...I'm not kidding one bit when I say football is life....you got it

351 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:07:51pm

re: #348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That original? That's great.

Al Pacino, from the movie Any Given Sunday. Give me a sec I'll see if it is on YouTube

352 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:08:36pm

re: #351 SteveC

Al Pacino, from the movie Any Given Sunday. Give me a sec I'll see if it is on YouTube

seen it

353 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:10:46pm

re: #352 albusteve

seen it

Wonderful! We have some cookies left over from todays Christmas party - go have one. FBV asked the question.

354 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:10:55pm

I have Christmas present for Shurmata. It's nothing serious, just a video link:

Youtube Video

I'm going to bed soon and I want to make sure that my favorite blue-skinned lizard gets her present.

So, carry on, and have a wonderful Christmas weekend!

355 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:10:58pm

Ok, I would rather be waterboarded than discuss football (any variety) I got bored and started surfing. Yahoo is featuring an AP story on a highly edited and suspicious video released by AQ today.

"The Taliban released a video Friday of an American soldier captured in Afghanistan, showing him apparently healthy but spouting criticism about the U.S. military operation.

"In Idaho, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl's family pleaded on Christmas Day for his release and urged him to "stay strong.""

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:11:13pm

re: #340 Mad Al-Jaffee

I just read his wiki... pretty impressive guy, really. Not afraid to fail, that's for sure.

I'm being way to harsh on him. I hope he owns the Redskins for many, many years to come.

357 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:12:41pm

re: #353 SteveC

Wonderful! We have some cookies left over from todays Christmas party - go have one. FBV asked the question.

huh?...I don't want a cookie

358 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:13:02pm

FBV

The entire Peace with Inches speech:

Youtube Video
359 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:13:16pm

Oops. I meant the story is today, the video was from Fri. Sorry.

360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:13:18pm

re: #355 Escaped Hillbilly

Can we speak of this?...

Daphne? HELL YEAH!

361 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:13:57pm

re: #356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just read his wiki... pretty impressive guy, really. Not afraid to fail, that's for sure.

I'm being way to harsh on him. I hope he owns the Redskins for many, many years to come.

he want's to win desperately...that's what separates him from guys like Ford

362 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:15:51pm

re: #360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah well actually I'm more of a Velma. But I didn't have a pic of her to photoshop when we made this.
Sorry to disappoint.

363 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:16:24pm

re: #358 SteveC

FBV

The entire Peace with Inches speech:


[Video]

I didn't imply don't post the vid...it was a great speach

364 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:16:48pm

The suspect is said not to have been on the no-fly list. However, reports indicate that he was on a U.S. intelligence watch list.

If true how come he was granted a Visa for entry to the United States? State grants Visa waivers but Nigeria is not listed. The do grant Visa waivers for the UK so perhaps he got Visa entry by way of UK documentation?

How can a Nigerian national on a U.S. intelligence list be allowed to even board a flight to Detroit?

365 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:17:03pm

re: #355 Escaped Hillbilly

Ok, I would rather be waterboarded than discuss football (any variety) I got bored and started surfing. Yahoo is featuring an AP story on a highly edited and suspicious video released by AQ today.

"The Taliban released a video Friday of an American soldier captured in Afghanistan, showing him apparently healthy but spouting criticism about the U.S. military operation.

"In Idaho, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl's family pleaded on Christmas Day for his release and urged him to "stay strong.""

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Dude ... under the same circumstances ... what would you say? (Spout)?

366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:18:23pm

re: #358 SteveC

Supremely cool.

Wonder how much time coaches spend practicing those speeches...

Doubt many are Pacino-esque... but, dear Lord, I do love the game of Football.

367 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:19:02pm

re: #364 Gus 802

The suspect is said not to have been on the no-fly list. However, reports indicate that he was on a U.S. intelligence watch list.

If true how come he was granted a Visa for entry to the United States? State grants Visa waivers but Nigeria is not listed. The do grant Visa waivers for the UK so perhaps he got Visa entry by way of UK documentation?

How can a Nigerian national on a U.S. intelligence list be allowed to even board a flight to Detroit?

all good questions...it will be interesting to see how fast people run away from this story...stay tuned

368 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:20:42pm

re: #365 Bobibutu
Dude, I didn't use that word...note the quotes. Also note the kid is wearing shades throughout and no tshirt with his ACUs. Sounds scripted at first but then he seems to warm to his subject. I'm no expert and won't conjecture on his real political leanings. I'm guessing this is pure AQ propaganda, timed for Xmas. No? This video is lame, lame, lame. And cruel to his family to boot.

369 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:20:47pm

re: #362 Escaped Hillbilly

I just saw a still photo of the tape. It looked strange, like one image of the soldier within a frame (the rug) over a different background. Did it look like that to you?

370 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:21:07pm

re: #367 albusteve

all good questions...it will be interesting to see how fast people run away from this story...stay tuned

Yeah. By the sounds of things, if he was on an intelligence list the logical conclusion is that they're allowing them to enter the United States. That doesn't sound right.

371 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:21:34pm

re: #367 albusteve

all good questions...it will be interesting to see how fast people run away from this story...stay tuned

Paging Hillary, HC, pick up the white phone please.
/

372 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:22:52pm

re: #369 prairiefire
Yeah, the thing is like a music video produced by high schoolers.

373 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:23:43pm

re: #362 Escaped Hillbilly

Yeah well actually I'm more of a Velma. But I didn't have a pic of her to photoshop when we made this.
Sorry to disappoint.

Ahh, Velma.... Those nerdy women are hot!

374 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:24:05pm

re: #368 Escaped Hillbilly

Dude, I didn't use that word...note the quotes. Also note the kid is wearing shades throughout and no tshirt with his ACUs. Sounds scripted at first but then he seems to warm to his subject. I'm no expert and won't conjecture on his real political leanings. I'm guessing this is pure AQ propaganda, timed for Xmas. No? This video is lame, lame, lame. And cruel to his family to boot.

End quote missing. And we have no argument.

375 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:24:23pm

re: #366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Supremely cool.

Wonder how much time coaches spend practicing those speeches...

Doubt many are Pacino-esque... but, dear Lord, I do love the game of Football.

zero time....coaches either spew that stuff naturally or they don't...alot of times the assistant coaches get into that sort of drama too...but there more than a few real life guys...Lombardi, George Allen, Jerry Glanville, they loved that stuff

376 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:25:49pm

re: #373 SteveC
Ha! Saved that one.

377 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:26:19pm

re: #373 SteveC

Ahh, Velma... Those nerdy women are hot!

Love it! And she has boobs, too! I'm a Velma, only flat chested.

378 albusteve  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:27:17pm

re: #370 Gus 802

Yeah. By the sounds of things, if he was on an intelligence list the logical conclusion is that they're allowing them to enter the United States. That doesn't sound right.

"Barry?...hi...ah we ave a problem here"

379 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:27:33pm

re: #377 prairiefire

Love it! And she has boobs, too! I'm a Velma, only flat chested.

The sexiest thing about a woman is the size of her brains! :)

380 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:28:04pm

So, does someone want to come over and organize all the loose Lego pieces on my floors? Major hazard to walk around my house at the moment.

381 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:28:17pm

re: #377 prairiefire
Velmas unite!

382 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:29:02pm

re: #379 SteveC

The sexiest thing about a woman is the size of her brains! :)

I have to say, it thinned out the boyfriends from the superficial to the more honest.

383 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:30:18pm

re: #381 Escaped Hillbilly

Amen, sister! I loved the end of your comment on a previous thread about gals in battle situations "now if there were more of us......".

384 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:31:23pm

Two things:

1. I don't necessarily doubt that the guy may have had some sort of ties to al Qaeda, but I think that, like Richard Reid (shoebomber) and Nidal Hassan (Ft. Hood shooter), this is basically a lone nut with AQ sympathies and/or aspirations rather than being an actual AQ operative, The reason being that if nothing else, AQ has proven that they know how to carry out successful terrorist shenanigans, and don't fart around with sending a lone guy to do a potentially high-profile "mission" with a crappy bomb that doesn't work. I could be wrong, but that's the feeling I get.

2. Someone from the FBI or NSA ought to sit down and have a Come-To-Jesus Meeting with Rep. Peter King about the joys of keeping his damned mouth shut and waiting for an official statement. Isn't one of the rules of intelligence gathering something about not letting your enemy know how much you know?

(brief googling later)

Gahh! King used to be Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee. /facepalm.

385 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:32:32pm

re: #378 albusteve

"Barry?...hi...ah we ave a problem here"

Barry has told everyone to do what is necessary ... so if there is a problem ... well, shucks ... someone else is to blame.

Sure glad I don't fly much anymore. The TSA response to this makes me shudder.

386 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:33:27pm

re: #364 Gus 802

The suspect is said not to have been on the no-fly list. However, reports indicate that he was on a U.S. intelligence watch list.

If true how come he was granted a Visa for entry to the United States? State grants Visa waivers but Nigeria is not listed. The do grant Visa waivers for the UK so perhaps he got Visa entry by way of UK documentation?

How can a Nigerian national on a U.S. intelligence list be allowed to even board a flight to Detroit?

Call me silly, but I doubt that Nigeria puts much value on airline security.

387 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:34:04pm

re: #384 negativ

Two things:

1. I don't necessarily doubt that the guy may have had some sort of ties to al Qaeda, but I think that, like Richard Reid (shoebomber) and Nidal Hassan (Ft. Hood shooter), this is basically a lone nut with AQ sympathies and/or aspirations rather than being an actual AQ operative, The reason being that if nothing else, AQ has proven that they know how to carry out successful terrorist shenanigans, and don't fart around with sending a lone guy to do a potentially high-profile "mission" with a crappy bomb that doesn't work. I could be wrong, but that's the feeling I get.

2. Someone from the FBI or NSA ought to sit down and have a Come-To-Jesus Meeting with Rep. Peter King about the joys of keeping his damned mouth shut and waiting for an official statement. Isn't one of the rules of intelligence gathering something about not letting your enemy know how much you know?

(brief googling later)

Gahh! King used to be Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee. /facepalm.

Ahhhhh ... the folks we elect!

388 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:35:23pm

re: #384 negativ

I know! How does he always find a microphone? Fort Hood and now this. Was he the one that said we were trailing the Iman in Yemen? Gave him a heads up! the Iman's relatives said he was not killed in that recent strike, dammit. They could be lying.
Seems like cards should be held close to the vest in this situation.

389 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:35:29pm

re: #386 negativ

Call me silly, but I doubt that Nigeria puts much value on airline security.

Sounds about right. I wonder what the burden of responsibility is for the carrier. I assume none.

390 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:35:44pm

re: #386 negativ

Call me silly, but I doubt that Nigeria puts much value on airline security.

Off to a CHD Conference in February, I'm hoping saner heads will have prevailed be then.

/fat chance!

391 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:35:46pm

re: #386 negativ

Call me silly, but I doubt that Nigeria puts much value on airline security.

Beyond Israeli security - the rest is a joke pacifier.

392 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:37:52pm

re: #389 Gus 802

Well the bank of Nigeria recently sent me a notice I had inhereted $6 mil and all I had to do was wire them a small deposit. So I'm sure they have insurance to cover this.

393 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:39:24pm

re: #391 Bobibutu

Beyond Israeli security - the rest is a joke pacifier.

I get to the TSA checkpoint and the officers are more interested in keeping the line moving quickly rather than doing a through check. Kinda makes me glad I have to get the hand patdown because of my pacemaker; over there they pretty much let me set the pace. I'm so clumsy that if I get in a hurry all my stuff will go flying in different directions!

394 thecommodore  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:39:59pm

re: #384 negativ

Two things:

1. I don't necessarily doubt that the guy may have had some sort of ties to al Qaeda, but I think that, like Richard Reid (shoebomber) and Nidal Hassan (Ft. Hood shooter), this is basically a lone nut with AQ sympathies and/or aspirations rather than being an actual AQ operative, The reason being that if nothing else, AQ has proven that they know how to carry out successful terrorist shenanigans, and don't fart around with sending a lone guy to do a potentially high-profile "mission" with a crappy bomb that doesn't work. I could be wrong, but that's the feeling I get.. /facepalm.

This is my hunch, too. It's also my hope...

395 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:40:05pm

re: #392 Escaped Hillbilly

Well the bank of Nigeria recently sent me a notice I had inhereted $6 mil and all I had to do was wire them a small deposit. So I'm sure they have insurance to cover this.

you too? We're gonna be RICH!

396 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:40:25pm

re: #392 Escaped Hillbilly

Well the bank of Nigeria recently sent me a notice I had inhereted $6 mil and all I had to do was wire them a small deposit. So I'm sure they have insurance to cover this.

Hey - I'll get you covered for only 10%.

Really! Honest!

397 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:43:45pm

re: #393 SteveC

I get to the TSA checkpoint and the officers are more interested in keeping the line moving quickly rather than doing a through check. Kinda makes me glad I have to get the hand patdown because of my pacemaker; over there they pretty much let me set the pace. I'm so clumsy that if I get in a hurry all my stuff will go flying in different directions!

Me too, super clumsy. plus I have to organize the kids and get their shoes off, etc. .. I remember when everyone got all dressed up to fly and were waited on like kings...sigh.

398 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:44:43pm

re: #395 SteveC
Well actlly I dont have the money$$ for the deposit, but if you , my brother/sister/friend could wire the sum of $13000 in my ackount, I will send it in and share my inhairitance with you.

399 Gus  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:44:58pm

re: #393 SteveC

I get to the TSA checkpoint and the officers are more interested in keeping the line moving quickly rather than doing a through check. Kinda makes me glad I have to get the hand patdown because of my pacemaker; over there they pretty much let me set the pace. I'm so clumsy that if I get in a hurry all my stuff will go flying in different directions!

Yeah, the same TSA that accidentally released their Screening Management - SOP manual the other day online. It's still available.

400 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:45:26pm

Hello all! Back from Christmas dinner.
The news is down to being an echo chamber. 24 hour rule. How much of this will be confirmed?

401 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:46:02pm

re: #393 SteveC

I get to the TSA checkpoint and the officers are more interested in keeping the line moving quickly rather than doing a through check. Kinda makes me glad I have to get the hand patdown because of my pacemaker; over there they pretty much let me set the pace. I'm so clumsy that if I get in a hurry all my stuff will go flying in different directions!

I used to fly a lot (4 times a week) with a Service Dog. (116lb GSD). Trained to go thru the drill. The folks would have to send of to get someone who was not afraid of dogs to pat him down - wand him - etc.

Idiots ... Glad it goes easy for you.

402 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:48:54pm

re: #397 prairiefire
So returning from Iraq we were treated extra special, given our own line for the screening. All the civilians in line watched with jealous eyes as we were led past them straight to the shake down tables. We felt priviledged until somebody asked why we were getting the star treatment this time. The answer: We don't make you guys take your boots off any more...have you ever smelled 150 pairs of feet that have been stuffed into leather boots for 18-26 hours?
We didn't care what the reason was..faster is faster.

403 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:50:24pm

re: #398 Escaped Hillbilly

Well actlly I dont have the money$$ for the deposit, but if you , my brother/sister/friend could wire the sum of $13000 in my ackount, I will send it in and share my inhairitance with you.

Don't waste this!

404 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:53:37pm

re: #401 Bobibutu

I used to fly a lot (4 times a week) with a Service Dog. (116lb GSD). Trained to go thru the drill. The folks would have to send of to get someone who was not afraid of dogs to pat him down - wand him - etc.

Idiots ... Glad it goes easy for you.

Pacemakers don't like magnets, so I don't go through the metal detector and I certainly don't allow them to use the hand wand. That's a magnet on a stick!

I was touring Duke Medical Center last July and the doctor guiding the tour says if you have a pacemaker, you aren't even allowed on the same floor as the MRI scanners. The magnets in them are that strong!

405 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:55:17pm

re: #402 Escaped Hillbilly

No delicate flower, you! Glad you are home and safe. My daughter's best friend's mom is an Army Reserve nurse and was called up for her 15 months in Bag dad. It was pretty bad and then the surge kicked in and she was much safer, doing her job.
We had her daughter over a lot while she was gone. I wanted to put that sweet little gal in my nest with my kids and sit on her.
Her dad did pretty good keeping the household in line.

406 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:56:02pm

re: #404 SteveC

Modern medical miracle, those things!

407 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 7:58:00pm

re: #405 prairiefire
Nursing, the oldest, most thankless job in the Army for us gals. When next you speak to her, send her my humble respect. My job's easy compared to hers.

408 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:00:44pm

re: #404 SteveC

Pacemakers don't like magnets, so I don't go through the metal detector and I certainly don't allow them to use the hand wand. That's a magnet on a stick!

I was touring Duke Medical Center last July and the doctor guiding the tour says if you have a pacemaker, you aren't even allowed on the same floor as the MRI scanners. The magnets in them are that strong!

RGR - A couple of my friends have the same. Don't want a mule kicking your chest ....

409 prairiefire  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:01:12pm

re: #407 Escaped Hillbilly

I will. Take care, lizards. Back to my Shakespeare biography. Good night and Merry Christmas.

410 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:04:02pm

re: #407 Escaped Hillbilly

Nursing, the oldest, most thankless job in the Army for us gals. When next you speak to her, send her my humble respect. My job's easy compared to hers.

NOT! You ladies are adored. Nuff said.

411 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:05:16pm

re: #406 prairiefire

Modern medical miracle, those things!

Without question! But if you have a pacemaker, you get a CAT scan or an Echocardiogram.

The magnet in an MRI can weigh as much as 10,000 pounds. Ever wonder what happens to metal in an MRI suite?

412 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:06:03pm

re: #409 prairiefire
Merry Christmas.

413 Kobyashi Maru  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:06:43pm

El Al, baby, the only way to fly...I wonder if it would make sense for them to try flying domestically to see who really cares safety and security, and who wants to fly with terrorists, with poorly maintained planes and Maginot Line defenses the TSA uses fighting the last war......

414 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:08:31pm

re: #407 Escaped Hillbilly

Nursing, the oldest, most thankless job in the Army for us gals. When next you speak to her, send her my humble respect. My job's easy compared to hers.

[Link: www.pbase.com...]

415 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:09:35pm

re: #407 Escaped Hillbilly

Nursing, the oldest, most thankless job in the Army for us gals. When next you speak to her, send her my humble respect. My job's easy compared to hers.

My aunt served as a combat nurse in Vietnam. Came home with two battle stars.

In 1989 my chest incision got infected and wouldn't heal. The doctors took a "lets wait and hop for the best" approch. She politley told a doc that a more aggresive approch would probably work better, and he commented that when she had as much experience treating wounds as he had, she could offer an opinion.

OH. MY. GOD. Hell hath no fury an an insulted Lt. Col. (ret.)

416 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:15:28pm

re: #415 SteveC
Firsts for women in the Army:
first officer
first NCO
first purple heart
first pension
first civilian on the battlefield
first combat award
first Medal of Honor (later recinded)
first KIA
first POW
First General
first commander of a training unit

All nurses!

417 SteveC  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:17:22pm

re: #416 Escaped Hillbilly

Firsts for women in the Army:
first officer
first NCO
first purple heart
first pension
first civilian on the battlefield
first combat award
first Medal of Honor (later recinded)
first KIA
first POW
First General
first commander of a training unit

All nurses!

Favorite Aunt, you forgot that one! :)

418 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:18:32pm

re: #417 SteveC
mea culpa

419 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:19:00pm

re: #415 SteveC

My aunt served as a combat nurse in Vietnam. Came home with two battle stars.

In 1989 my chest incision got infected and wouldn't heal. The doctors took a "lets wait and hop for the best" approch. She politley told a doc that a more aggresive approch would probably work better, and he commented that when she had as much experience treating wounds as he had, she could offer an opinion.

OH. MY. GOD. Hell hath no fury an an insulted Lt. Col. (ret.)

Why I don't trust Doctors and love nurses reason #3.

420 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:20:39pm

re: #416 Escaped Hillbilly

Firsts for women in the Army:
first officer
first NCO
first purple heart
first pension
first civilian on the battlefield
first combat award
first Medal of Honor (later recinded)
first KIA
first POW
First General
first commander of a training unit

All nurses!

And you wonder how and why we adore and worship you all?

421 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:22:09pm

re: #420 Bobibutu
Huh-uh, not me. I don't have the stomach for nursing. I'm a babysitter!

422 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:22:59pm

re: #416 Escaped Hillbilly

Wow. I had no idea about those. Thanks! And thanks for serving.

423 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:23:47pm

re: #421 Escaped Hillbilly

Huh-uh, not me. I don't have the stomach for nursing. I'm a babysitter!

Yeah ... right!

424 allegro  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:25:50pm

re: #339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There ever been a worse owner?

Bud Adams.

425 Escaped Hillbilly  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:26:57pm

re: #423 Bobibutu
True. 24 boys men. As Mother Nature would say, "They're nasty little boys.."

426 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:38:32pm

I'm betting that it was powdered magnesium and that the syringe either had plain old water or hydrochloric acid in it. Mix either and the magnesium heats up more and more while releasing hydrogen until it catches fire. It is very hard to put out once it is lit, a good sized package could probably burn its way thru the bottom of the airplane. Or at least thru the deck and into the luggage compartment setting that on fire.

I'll be interested in hearing the details if and when they release them, like why it didn't fully ignite, did the powder get scattered or what?

427 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 8:47:04pm

re: #425 Escaped Hillbilly

True. 24 boys men. As Mother Nature would say, "They're nasty little boys.."

One of my civilian buddies crashed on a bike .. read motorcycle .. in Nam. Serious pavement rash (you know how nasty that is) and thank God his .38 .. in his waistband didn't go off during the accident. The Army hosp in Saigon patched him up and sent him home. We kidnapped him and set him up in our living room where our maid could look after him. Now you gals didn't have to - but several came buy from time to time to check on him when off duty till he recovered.

A friend and president of a seniors group here where I live was a Nurse in VN.

This lady and all of you have the respect and honor that I am unable to express beyond thank you, thank you, thank you.

428 Ojoe  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 9:10:39pm

On this topic

From whence comes this attempt a mass murder on the birthday of the Christ, who gave us the rules by which we could live in peace?

Do not tell me all religions have the same ultimate aim.

429 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 9:15:28pm

re: #426 ausador

I'm betting that it was powdered magnesium and that the syringe either had plain old water or hydrochloric acid in it. Mix either and the magnesium heats up more and more while releasing hydrogen until it catches fire. It is very hard to put out once it is lit, a good sized package could probably burn its way thru the bottom of the airplane. Or at least thru the deck and into the luggage compartment setting that on fire.

I'll be interested in hearing the details if and when they release them, like why it didn't fully ignite, did the powder get scattered or what?

Ya know - like a thermite reaction the components need to be fine and well integrated. Strapped on his leg and agitated while he walked the heavier could have settled.

Ah - my thermite experiments were mostly non-exciting. Then there were a few ..

430 Bob Dillon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 9:30:29pm

re: #428 Ojoe

On this topic

From whence comes this attempt a mass murder on the birthday of the Christ, who gave us the rules by which we could live in peace?

Do not tell me all religions have the same ultimate aim.

Psychological terrorism has no values or rules but it's own. The sooner we get it, the better.

All religions have the same aim ... to bind back to the source. Even Islam.

Distortions abound.

431 Venflon  Fri, Dec 25, 2009 11:53:45pm

re: #413 Kobyashi Maru

El Al, baby, the only way to fly...


Aye, I concur.

I flew Budapest - Tel Aviv a week ago.
In the security interview pre-flight the security officer decided to mark my bag for close inspection because I slept with the luggage in an apartment with Spanish nationals.
Once I got my bag back and got home, I started unpacking my things and noticed something interesting;
I had my international vaccination card buried somewhere underneath my clothes. It has English, French and Arabic sections.
When I took it out, I noticed they put a security sticker on it only in the Arabic section with the flight details and date.
Perhaps to mark the Arabic writing as innocent? I don't know.
Anyway, I was surprised. How meticulous.

432 Right Brain  Sat, Dec 26, 2009 4:42:26am

And from the NY Daily News we have the oblique "Nigerian extremist," probably not enough room to write "Islamofascist attempting to murder hundreds of infidels on their high holiday."

"Nigerian extremist Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, was subdued immediately aboard Northwest Flight 253 - carrying 278 passengers and 11 crew members - minutes before the plane landed, officials said." NY Daily News 12/26

433 MadJadBad  Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:19:37am

re: #3 philosophus invidius

AP says it was firecrackers.

We're not getting the whole story. It's very unlikely that firecrackers would set his pants on fire or cause the kind of burns inflicted on the guy who tackled him. Something very flammable was there too.

434 Ojoe  Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:17:45am

re: #430 Bobibutu

I differ.


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