At Hot Air, the site where hundreds of commenters regularly call for violent revolution against the elected government of the United States, Ed Morrissey posts video instructions for creating a bomb like the one that almost blew up Northwest Airlines flight 253, and hiding it in a common everyday item.
Also posted by Andrew Breitbart.
Welcome to the modern right wing blogosphere.
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windsagio Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:38:41pm |
So dumb. I mean the information is available, sure... but when you run a site that has a record of people advocating revolution or the murder of prominent politicians, you're just asking for trouble!
(I will admit its pretty unlikely that anything will happen. This is still retarded.)
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:40:49pm |
I was going to say something about this downstairs...I'd not heard of this and I was stupified...Breitbarts post was just a few days ago?
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avanti Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:41:03pm |
All I saw was a white powder and a red liquid, I hope they did not ID the two.
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:42:25pm |
If not for that Dutch tourist jumping over several rows of seats, a bunch of people would be dead.
I would like to see the tape of security screening at Schiphol, how did this guy get through with 80 grams of PETN? Don't they have sniffer devices (aka dogs).
When I was at Schiphol two years ago, they had security screening before boarding a connecting flight.
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Mark Pennington Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:44:06pm |
Oh. my. God. I thought I couldn't be shocked anymore but I was wrong. What an irresponsible prick! Surely he knows that most of his readers are not exactly stable human beings.
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windsagio Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:46:52pm |
re: #6 marjoriemoon
afaik, no its not. The information is widely available. they'd be in trouble if they said "You should blow something up, heres how you do it!"
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:47:01pm |
I can't even begin to imagine the thought process that would lead someone to think this is OK.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:47:19pm |
re: #6 marjoriemoon
Isn't that, like illegal?
Probably not. They didn't specify exactly what chemicals were being used although it's not difficult to find out. The information on how to make these explosives is widely available. It's irresponsible but probably not illegal. It's extra irresponsible because there's not much news value in posting these bomb making instructions. They really don't have much to gain (aside from web traffic) for doing so.
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Linden Arden Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:47:19pm |
Andrew Breitbart is a skeevy piece of shit. I saw him go ballistic on C-SPAN one day over a single caller who simply claimed he rented porno tapes to Clarence Thomas while in Savannah Ga.
Breitbart lost what little composure he had and shut all future callers off who disagreed with him. Its on YouTube to this day.
Of course Breitbart now claims its all a conspiracy to put him into a headlock....
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:48:20pm |
Do their instructions include blowing your nuts off?
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windsagio Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:48:43pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
The idea of posting something like that just to pump up traffic is pretty brutal.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:48:50pm |
re: #11 Linden Arden
Andrew Breitbart is a skeevy piece of shit. I saw him go ballistic on C-SPAN one day over a single caller who simply claimed he rented porno tapes to Clarence Thomas while in Savannah Ga.
Breitbart lost what little composure he had and shut all future callers off who disagreed with him. Its on YouTube to this day.
Of course Breitbart now claims its all a conspiracy to put him into a headlock...
headlock!...hmmm...thinking here
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:50:01pm |
re: #12 Conservative Moonbat
Do their instructions include blowing your nuts off?
they were roasted off, not blown...just a detail
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:50:03pm |
Well, at least he doesn't tell you what the binary components are. It looks like baking powder and red nail polish. (Not that I'm going to try this at home with baking powder and red nail polish)
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jaunte Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:50:21pm |
As the ADL has reported, posting bomb-making instructions is a practice of some white supremacist websites. Morrissey is really going downhill fast.
Additionally, some white supremacist pages sites, such as Death 2 ZOG (Zionist Occupation Government), have posted bomb-making instructions.
[Link: www.adl.org...]
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:52:20pm |
That video even conveniently shows you how easy it is to hide this device in a common everyday item.
Unbelievable that anyone would post that.
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:53:04pm |
If only the airport security screeners had been as diligent in examining this Nigerian guy's underwear as they usually are with Zedushka's diabetes medications and his CPAP machine.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:53:49pm |
re: #18 reine.de.tout
That video even conveniently shows you how easy it is to hide this device in a common everyday item.
Unbelievable that anyone would post that.
are these people patriotic Americans?...really?...sitting on the 1st like that repulses me
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John Vreeland Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:54:10pm |
Once again our cumbersome and illusory airport security apparatus has failed to either deter or deny and only perhaps delay the terrorist along with everyone else on the screening line. I am not comforted by the fact that we are all relying upon the incompetence of our foes and the vigilance of the person in the seat next to us to protect us from the religious nihilists. Fortunately in a curious irony of life the most competent suicide bombers are already dead, but I suspect that it is a renewable resource.
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Firstinla Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:55:21pm |
I remember reading that instructions are available online for making an atomic bomb. Don't remember where or when I read it.
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The Yankee Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:56:20pm |
Seems like some parts of the right wing dont want to learn from the pass rather learn everything the hard way.Between this and the ACCORN edited tapes, and how the Tea Baggers activities they seem to be intrigued with what feels good.
And blowing off similar circumstances in the past because they feel as though they are the exception and they are on the right side.
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MandyManners Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:57:21pm |
re: #22 Firstinla
I remember reading that instructions are available online for making an atomic bomb. Don't remember where or when I read it.
ShortShit already knows how. So does LilKim.
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Big Steve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:58:04pm |
I wonder what our response, if any, will be to this attack?
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:58:26pm |
re: #21 Vreejack
Once again our cumbersome and illusory airport security apparatus has failed to either deter or deny and only perhaps delay the terrorist along with everyone else on the screening line. I am not comforted by the fact that we are all relying upon the incompetence of our foes and the vigilance of the person in the seat next to us to protect us from the religious nihilists. Fortunately in a curious irony of life the most competent suicide bombers are already dead, but I suspect that it is a renewable resource.
IMHO it sounds like the real point of failure wasn't at the airport. There's only so much that can be done there. The failure to follow up on the father's warning is a greater fuckup. If a father is willing to turn in his own son you know things have to be pretty serious.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:59:11pm |
This is exactly why, when I looked up PETN which was used on the NW flight earlier (just because I like to know what the chemical make-up of things like this is), I didn't link the page, choosing instead to link a recipe for peanut brittle. It's too easy to make explosives. And the page I found showed how with a couple of beakers, water, baking soda, and a couple of chemicals, one could make PETN in their own kitchen...oh, there are lots of precautions about keeping cold water on hand in case a 'brown cloud' forms (which means dump the shit before you blow yourself up).
I worry about sites like Hot Air as I have a nephew who, while smart, is a big Glenn Beck fan and will likely see how easy it is to make explosives, and if he were to play with some chemicals from his high school chem lab, could do some serious damage to himself--though I like to think he's smarter than that.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:59:25pm |
re: #4 Alouette
If not for that Dutch tourist jumping over several rows of seats, a bunch of people would be dead.
I would like to see the tape of security screening at Schiphol, how did this guy get through with 80 grams of PETN? Don't they have sniffer devices (aka dogs).
When I was at Schiphol two years ago, they had security screening before boarding a connecting flight.
If the other parts of the report at HotAir are true, one of the TSA's new moves will be to require people to be seated in their seats for the last hour of the flight.
If that's true, then if there is a future incident, passengers will not be able to respond.
Does that make sense to anyone?
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Big Steve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 7:59:45pm |
re: #26 Conservative Moonbat
IMHO it sounds like the real point of failure wasn't at the airport. There's only so much that can be done there. The failure to follow up on the father's warning is a greater fuckup. If a father is willing to turn in his own son you know things have to be pretty serious.
Yea.....I have been wondering about that as well. And since the father reported him six months ago, for once we can't blame the Bush administration.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:00:04pm |
re: #15 albusteve
they were roasted off, not blown...just a detail
Almost sounds like a Xmas carol... wing-nuts roasting in an open aisle...
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jaunte Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:00:59pm |
re: #28 reine.de.tout
I don't think they would be able to enforce that rule.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:01:19pm |
re: #4 Alouette
If not for that Dutch tourist jumping over several rows of seats, a bunch of people would be dead.
I would like to see the tape of security screening at Schiphol, how did this guy get through with 80 grams of PETN? Don't they have sniffer devices (aka dogs).
When I was at Schiphol two years ago, they had security screening before boarding a connecting flight.
He was on a continuing flight, as I understand...he didn't deplane in Amsterdam.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:01:40pm |
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:01:42pm |
re: #25 Big Steve
I wonder what our response, if any, will be to this attack?
I'm betting we start paying more attention to Yemen.
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Big Steve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:01:53pm |
re: #30 darthstar
Almost sounds like a Xmas carol... wing-nuts roasting in an open aisle...
....Ignite Fails burning off your clothes........
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:02:05pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:02:43pm |
re: #28 reine.de.tout
If the other parts of the report at HotAir are true, one of the TSA's new moves will be to require people to be seated in their seats for the last hour of the flight.
If that's true, then if there is a future incident, passengers will not be able to respond.
Does that make sense to anyone?
I think the rule to stay seated is supposed to keep jihadis from mixing chemicals in the bathroom at the last minute or walking up and placing them on the cockpit doors or something. I think if you get up to punch a guy trying to ignite his shoes then that's probably ok.
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:02:56pm |
re: #28 reine.de.tout
If the other parts of the report at HotAir are true, one of the TSA's new moves will be to require people to be seated in their seats for the last hour of the flight.
If that's true, then if there is a future incident, passengers will not be able to respond.
Does that make sense to anyone?
I think someone mentioned downthread that TSA removed that bit from their site, but I'm not sure.
I don't think they can do that arbitrarily. I mean I've been stuck on the runway for hours, but when that happens you can usually stand or move around. It's not healthy for people to be sitting in a cramped space for long lengths without moving, especially for heavyset or elderly people.
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jaunte Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:03:07pm |
re: #32 darthstar
This says he went through a security check at Schiphol:
[Link: www.dutchnews.nl...]
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Bob Dillon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:03:52pm |
re: #9 Charles
I can't even begin to imagine the thought process that would lead someone to think this is OK.
The video has been available on the net for a couple of years now. Taking it mainstream to springboard after yesterdays event seems a disgusting way to get more hits on their sites, pander to the nuts who hang out there and simply attempt to make more money.
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Racer X Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:04:01pm |
Not a good idea to post bomb making videos - even if the Jihadis are well aware of how to do it. There are other morons out their who do not yet know. Better to keep it that way.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:05:10pm |
re: #25 Big Steve
I wonder what our response, if any, will be to this attack?
a trial...what more is there?...heightened security step ups?...figure out how he got through and fix it...quietly
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:06:09pm |
re: #34 Conservative Moonbat
I'm betting we start paying more attention to Yemen.
we invaded last night....where were you?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:06:55pm |
re: #40 Bobibutu
The video has been available on the net for a couple of years now. Taking it mainstream to springboard after yesterdays event seems a disgusting way to get more hits on their sites, pander to the nuts who hang out there and simply attempt to make more money.
It also bring them further into the militia/survivalist section of the right. Very foolish.
BTW, thanks for the photos. I've found them very interesting. It truly helps bring WWII home in an additional way.
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Sheila Broflovski Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:07:09pm |
re: #28 reine.de.tout
If the other parts of the report at HotAir are true, one of the TSA's new moves will be to require people to be seated in their seats for the last hour of the flight.
If that's true, then if there is a future incident, passengers will not be able to respond.
Does that make sense to anyone?
TSA= Turds Standing Around
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Racer X Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:07:10pm |
I was listening to the radio today and they were giving examples of how terrorists can communicate via AOL or Yahoo mail. I won't reveal how they do it but it leaves no trace. They said it was ok to talk about because the FBI already knows how they do it. I thought, jeeze, now a whole lot of other people do to.
Some things are best left alone.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:07:11pm |
re: #37 Killgore Trout
I think the rule to stay seated is supposed to keep jihadis from mixing chemicals in the bathroom at the last minute or walking up and placing them on the cockpit doors or something. I think if you get up to punch a guy trying to ignite his shoes then that's probably ok.
You are prolly correct.
I do have a concern, however, that much of what our TSA does (as well as what's done in other countries) is just not as effective as it could be.
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Vambo Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:07:12pm |
I don't listen to the Democrats anymore, but where are they in all of this? Could you imagine what would happen if we had an incident of domestic terrorism, linked to Hot Air or the Tea Party, and Obama started talking about it? the United States would implode.
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:07:17pm |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:08:06pm |
re: #26 Conservative Moonbat
IMHO it sounds like the real point of failure wasn't at the airport. There's only so much that can be done there. The failure to follow up on the father's warning is a greater fuckup. If a father is willing to turn in his own son you know things have to be pretty serious.
Bingo!
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Mark Pennington Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:08:20pm |
re: #40 Bobibutu
The video has been available on the net for a couple of years now. Taking it mainstream to springboard after yesterdays event seems a disgusting way to get more hits on their sites, pander to the nuts who hang out there and simply attempt to make more money.
Disgusting indeed. Especially when his commenters are obsessed with how we should be dealing with the brown people.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:08:26pm |
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:10:28pm |
re: #52 albusteve
statehood?...whoa dude
Hey, Yemen has oil...does this mean we can let Texas secede?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:11:08pm |
re: #4 Alouette
If not for that Dutch tourist jumping over several rows of seats, a bunch of people would be dead.
Insert one-liner about "The Flying Dutchman" here.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:12:21pm |
re: #40 Bobibutu
The video has been available on the net for a couple of years now. Taking it mainstream to springboard after yesterdays event seems a disgusting way to get more hits on their sites, pander to the nuts who hang out there and simply attempt to make more money.
Fortunately, the people who read Hot Air will likely be mixing their mom's bread flour with their Juice Squeeze boxes and making nothing more than a little sweet tasting paste that attracts ants.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:14:22pm |
re: #54 darthstar
Hey, Yemen has oil...does this mean we can let Texas secede?
if Texas goes, I go with em...and I'm a New Mexican, we hate those guys...dumbasses invaded us once and we thrashed them, so much for their lunatic foreign policy...but I'll follow them out the door if that's the case
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:15:01pm |
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:16:32pm |
re: #48 Vambo
I don't listen to the Democrats anymore, but where are they in all of this? Could you imagine what would happen if we had an incident of domestic terrorism, linked to Hot Air or the Tea Party, and Obama started talking about it? the United States would implode.
They're just as concerned as the Republicans are, except they're not all clamoring for the lights of the cameras to voice their opinion about how this is a reason to invade Iran/Venezuela/Hogwarts/etc.
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morrisab Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:16:33pm |
The thing that is confusing me is how do they expect to find 80g of powder? I used to breed cats. The average kitten weighs 100g at birth and 80g kittens were not uncommon. I mean... do you know how small that is? That's about 3 ounces. That fits in the palm of your hand with room left to spare. It would be really easy to distribute 80g of powder - it's a minuscule amount. W/o bomb-sniffing dogs/technology how would one expect the TSA pat-down to even start to find that?
Which is all to say - pre-screening would seem to be more effective than relying on airport security lines. One-way ticket? Reported to US embassy by relative as a possible security risk? Shouldn't that equal "no-fly?"
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andres Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:18:11pm |
Cheer idiocy and disgusting.
The problem isn't that the instructions are out there, however mainstreaming them is.
re: #22 Firstinla
I remember reading that instructions are available online for making an atomic bomb. Don't remember where or when I read it.
A 17 year old built a nuclear reactor in his backyard. In 1994. I'm not surprised by anything like that anymore.
re: #56 darthstar
Fortunately, the people who read Hot Air will likely be mixing their mom's bread flour with their Juice Squeeze boxes and making nothing more than a little sweet tasting paste that attracts ants.
As much as we can mock them, this is not the subject for it. The last thing lunatics need are more ideas.
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Big Steve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:18:25pm |
The Breitbart video was a big "so what" to me. Nothing was identified Frankly, being a chemist by training, making something that will explodes is child's play. In fact, in AP chemistry in high school my lab buddy and I found a reference book with the instructions for making something called "Bernard's Blasting Powder" and lo and behold, the raw ingredients were in the chemistry stock room. My lab partner and I made some up, packed it into a test tube with a small piece of rope as a fuse and a rubber stopper in the test tube. The chemistry class was half below ground and had windows that opened essentially at grass level. We lit the thing and whung it out the window just as the class bell was ringing and no one was watching. We tensed up for a minute or two expecting blast akin to an M-80 but to our sorrow, nothing. So off we went to our next class. A full ten minutes later the thing went off (I guess rope burns slow). A test tube full of this stuff blew a smoking crater three feet across and two feet deep in the front yard of the school. There honest to God was a small mushroom cloud over the blast site for a minute or two. Everyone on the front side of the school, including me siting in math class got a great view. Police came but the test tube had completely ceased to exist so we got clean away. Stupid.....absolutely! Could someone including us have gotten seriously hurt....absolutely. Should we have confessed.....absolutely. But easy to make....for sure.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:18:30pm |
re: #57 albusteve
Oh, I don't think Texas wants to secede, despite what their teabagging governor says to the small minority of nuts who think that way.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:19:01pm |
re: #50 reine.de.tout
Bingo!
I made this point to my son earlier. How seriously concerned do you have to be about your son to go to, what is for you, a foreign agency to complain about your son?
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:19:25pm |
re: #62 andres
True...we don't need to give them more ideas...besides, ants are a pain to get rid of.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:20:14pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:20:34pm |
re: #62 andres
Cheer idiocy and disgusting.
The problem isn't that the instructions are out there, however mainstreaming them is.
As much as we can mock them, this is not the subject for it. The last thing lunatics need are more ideas.
Quite Concur.
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Racer X Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:21:17pm |
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:22:41pm |
re: #64 darthstar
Oh, I don't think Texas wants to secede, despite what their teabagging governor says to the small minority of nuts who think that way.
actually I love Texas...got good friends over there and it really is sort of a different place...they got some rad people both left and right...awsome state tho
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:22:44pm |
re: #63 Big Steve
I went to a Baptist high school for a year, and the seniors planted firecrackers in several classrooms as pranks, with timers set to light them. They worked. It doesn't take a lot of brains to make a timed fuse. They used kitchen timers...the wind-up kind.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:23:38pm |
re: #70 albusteve
I like Texas too...especially Austin...great town. I actually lived in the west Texas town of El Paso (I always write El Paso that way) when I was three...too young to remember, but I did live there for a short time.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:23:51pm |
re: #63 Big Steve
If anyone ever posted a video like this in a comment at LGF, they'd be banned and their comment deleted as soon as possible.
There is no way to defend something like this. Especially right after someone tried to use a similar bomb to commit mass murder.
It's not just irresponsible. It's insane.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:24:22pm |
re: #69 Racer X
Bomber's sticks of dynamite turn out to be sausages
funny pic.
Stand back! These things will plump when I cook 'em!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:26:13pm |
re: #73 Charles
If anyone ever posted a video like this in a comment at LGF, they'd be banned and their comment deleted as soon as possible.
There is no way to defend something like this. Especially right after someone tried to use a similar bomb to commit mass murder.
It's not just irresponsible. It's insane.
Quite concur. Making bombs is not a thing to joke about. They kill and it was only be Providence (people ready to take action) that disaster was averted yesterday.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:27:21pm |
re: #44 Dark_Falcon
It also bring them further into the militia/survivalist section of the right. Very foolish.
BTW, thanks for the photos. I've found them very interesting. It truly helps bring WWII home in an additional way.
Glad you like them.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:27:57pm |
re: #75 Dark_Falcon
Quite concur. Making bombs is not a thing to joke about. They kill and it was only be Providence (people ready to take action) that disaster was averted yesterday.
I, for one, would like to hear his explanation for posting that
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Big Steve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:28:58pm |
re: #73 Charles
If anyone ever posted a video like this in a comment at LGF, they'd be banned and their comment deleted as soon as possible.
There is no way to defend something like this. Especially right after someone tried to use a similar bomb to commit mass murder.
It's not just irresponsible. It's insane.
Which is one reason, IMHO, we like this site better than those others
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:29:59pm |
Ok, so it's not illegal. But I wouldn't even want it in my computer cache.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:30:57pm |
re: #77 albusteve
I, for one, would like to hear his explanation for posting that
I'd guess that Morrissey is simply off his meds. Insanity seems the only explanation for his actions as of late.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:31:07pm |
LOL!
And we have a SWEEP of the bottom 10 comments.
Congratulations to "bunnymud" for today's prize!
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:31:12pm |
re: #72 darthstar
I like Texas too...especially Austin...great town. I actually lived in the west Texas town of El Paso (I always write El Paso that way) when I was three...too young to remember, but I did live there for a short time.
Austin is a fine town for tourists, and on down the Hill Country to San Antonio...lots of history, and food, and music...I just love it over there...Texas history is tightly bound with our own here in NM...we are like dysfunctional cousins, lots of mutual respect when you can get them to admit it
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Bagua Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:31:40pm |
It's frightening that the same internet which brings us so much valuable information, insight and even sustenance is used by others to spread violence and death.
While we are here trying to make sense of the terrorists, politics, and science, there are others out there researching how to make explosive devices to murder us.
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ryannon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:32:10pm |
re: #16 Alouette
Well, at least he doesn't tell you what the binary components are. It looks like baking powder and red nail polish. (Not that I'm going to try this at home with baking powder and red nail polish)
You could be the next big fashion victim.
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Vambo Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:32:30pm |
re: #59 darthstar
They're just as concerned as the Republicans are, except they're not all clamoring for the lights of the cameras to voice their opinion about how this is a reason to invade Iran/Venezuela/Hogwarts/etc.
The wording of my post was all weird... let me try again
Couple days ago I saw some Fox News commentator FLIPPING OUT because Katie Couric said the Tea Party was "angry".
Now, hypothetical situation - one or more of these Hot Air/Tea Party nuts actually make good on their violent promises. IMO, that would be the breaking point of the GOP. People - Repub politicians, voters, etc - will be jumping ship left and right.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:32:33pm |
re: #81 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
And we have a SWEEP of the bottom 10 comments.
Congratulations to "bunnymud" for today's prize!
like a mosquito in the tent...jus sayin
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:34:07pm |
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freetoken Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:34:31pm |
Speaking of right wing idiocy, I see that on the FoxNation thread KT linked earlier (about the President's self defense of his actions wrt black Americans), the comments continue to boil with all sorts of ugliness.
A sight to see, in some ways. As with HA running the bomb making instructions, it used to be, when I was young, that this sort of fringe activity really was fringe activity. While racism existed, after the MLK era it become impolite in society to be so public about it.
Now, with the power of the internet, everyone can hang out their moralities' dirty laundry for everyone to see.
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Big Steve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:34:46pm |
re: #83 Bagua
It's frightening that the same internet which brings us so much valuable information, insight and even sustenance is used by others to spread violence and death.
While we are here trying to make sense of the terrorists, politics, and science, there are others out there researching how to make explosive devices to murder us.
Even Egyptian hieroglyphics spent large space showing weapons. Must be a human quirk.
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jaunte Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:35:12pm |
re: #82 albusteve
Austin is a fine town for tourists, and on down the Hill Country to San Antonio...lots of history, and food, and music...I just love it over there...Texas history is tightly bound with our own here in NM...we are like dysfunctional cousins, lots of mutual respect when you can get them to admit it
New Mexico is a wonderful place. Even if they did have to borrow their name from Old Mexico.
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ryannon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:35:25pm |
re: #29 Big Steve
Yea...I have been wondering about that as well. And since the father reported him six months ago, for once we can't blame the Bush administration.
THEY SHOULD HAVE FORESEEN THIS!
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:36:11pm |
re: #88 freetoken
Speaking of right wing idiocy, I see that on the FoxNation thread KT linked earlier (about the President's self defense of his actions wrt black Americans), the comments continue to boil with all sorts of ugliness.
A sight to see, in some ways. As with HA running the bomb making instructions, it used to be, when I was young, that this sort of fringe activity really was fringe activity. While racism existed, after the MLK era it become impolite in society to be so public about it.
Now, with the power of the internet, everyone can hang out their moralities' dirty laundry for everyone to see.
And that would be because they are by and large anonymous online. No need to be polite.
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Bagua Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:36:58pm |
re: #89 Big Steve
Even Egyptian hieroglyphics spent large space showing weapons. Must be a human quirk.
Yes, it is not exactly novel in human history. I reckon you have spotted the trend.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:39:03pm |
re: #81 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
And we have a SWEEP of the bottom 10 comments.
Congratulations to "bunnymud" for today's prize!
Yep, he won a free trip to the stalker blog. I just read that thread. Boy, what an asshole.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:39:15pm |
re: #90 jaunte
New Mexico is a wonderful place. Even if they did have to borrow their name from Old Mexico.
that's cool...Old Mexico is a fascinating country with a very rich and exciting history and culture...too bad it is so difficult to get into the interior and nose around...at present it is a VERY dangerous place to visit...so the next best thing is to come down to NM...lot's of tacos and beer amigo
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acacia Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:39:27pm |
I'd like to know where this video came from. Is the "cammo" guy an Army instructor or a militia militant? Who's making these things in the first place?
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jaunte Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:39:53pm |
re: #96 albusteve
We Texans are all secretly jealous of your climate.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:40:11pm |
re: #85 Vambo
The wording of my post was all weird... let me try again
Couple days ago I saw some Fox News commentator FLIPPING OUT because Katie Couric said the Tea Party was "angry".
Now, hypothetical situation - one or more of these Hot Air/Tea Party nuts actually make good on their violent promises. IMO, that would be the breaking point of the GOP. People - Repub politicians, voters, etc - will be jumping ship left and right.
I'm guessing that's why Fox news has been pulling back the reins on Glenn Beck lately...he's too involved with the people who show up to Obama events with loaded guns. It's only a matter of time before one goes off the deep end and Fox has to back-pedal to distance themselves...that would kill their advertising revenue, and that is what they value most...even more than their hatred of the sitting president.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:40:55pm |
re: #98 jaunte
We Texans are all secretly jealous of your climate.
man, it's been gorgeous the past few days up her in ABQ
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:41:02pm |
re: #88 freetoken
My little exploration of Fox news comments this afternoon was pretty enlightening. Even I didn't think it was going to be that bad. We have a very serious problem in this country.
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Racer X Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:41:15pm |
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:42:02pm |
re: #97 acacia
I'd like to know where this video came from. Is the "cammo" guy an Army instructor or a militia militant? Who's making these things in the first place?
If he's wearing "fatigues" and doing a video, chances are he's a militia guy (hence the absence of a head shot...gotta protect himself from the black helicopters following him around).
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:42:18pm |
re: #101 Killgore Trout
My little exploration of Fox news comments this afternoon was pretty enlightening. Even I didn't think it was going to be that bad. We have a very serious problem i this country.
told ya so...last year
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:43:00pm |
I'm getting the charcoal on the grill to grill the flouncer up at #92. Anybody have an drink orders for the Saturday Night Troll Roast?
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jaunte Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:43:15pm |
re: #100 albusteve
man, it's been gorgeous the past few days up her in ABQ
It's looking good:Image: albuquerque-nms115.jpg
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:43:28pm |
re: #105 Dark_Falcon
I'm getting the charcoal on the grill to grill the flouncer up at #92. Anybody have an drink orders for the Saturday Night Troll Roast?
Purple People Eater for me
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:43:51pm |
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humpty dumpty was pushed Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:44:59pm |
re: #98 jaunte
We Texans are all secretly jealous of your climate.
I`m a little jealous of the ski slopes. Fortunately Ruidoso is not far from my Texas home.
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Bob Dillon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:45:13pm |
re: #63 Big Steve
Ah ... a fellow mad high school chem lab bomber. I never got caught and no one got hurt (thank goodness) as well.
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MandyManners Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:45:24pm |
re: #107 albusteve
Purple People Eater for me
2 oz Chambord® raspberry liqueur
1 oz blackberry brandy
1 oz cherry brandy
1 oz amaretto almond liqueur
1 oz Absolut® Citron vodka
1 splash orange juice
1 splash pineapple juice
1 splash grapefruit juice
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:46:48pm |
re: #111 MandyManners
2 oz Chambord® raspberry liqueur
1 oz blackberry brandy
1 oz cherry brandy
1 oz amaretto almond liqueur
1 oz Absolut® Citron vodka
1 splash orange juice
1 splash pineapple juice
1 splash grapefruit juice
Might be doable. Grapefruit is in season now.
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jaunte Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:46:56pm |
re: #108 albusteve
Maybe this one will work:
[Link: www.planetware.com...]
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:47:09pm |
re: #111 MandyManners
2 oz Chambord® raspberry liqueur
1 oz blackberry brandy
1 oz cherry brandy
1 oz amaretto almond liqueur
1 oz Absolut® Citron vodka
1 splash orange juice
1 splash pineapple juice
1 splash grapefruit juice
Sounds like all that drink needs is three tablespoons of corn syrup and a half-cup of sugar to make it sweet enough to dring.../
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:47:09pm |
re: #111 MandyManners
2 oz Chambord® raspberry liqueur
1 oz blackberry brandy
1 oz cherry brandy
1 oz amaretto almond liqueur
1 oz Absolut® Citron vodka
1 splash orange juice
1 splash pineapple juice
1 splash grapefruit juice
whoa...way too complicated...is there really a Purple People Eater?...I thought I made that up tonight.....waaaaa!
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freetoken Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:49:08pm |
re: #101 Killgore Trout
Latent racism in the American populace was a discussion entertained in the 2008 election season, though I suspect the power of anonymity (as marjoriemoon indicated) of the internet was under-appreciated.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:49:23pm |
re: #113 jaunte
Maybe this one will work:
[Link: www.planetware.com...]
yes, beautiful pic...two winters ago we had 14inches of snow here...the most ever in living memory...the photographers went nuts...I suspect that's where that pic comes from...thanks for posting that
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freetoken Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:51:12pm |
BTW, I'm being pretty strongly convinced that if I set up a blog I will not allow comments... or if I do, it will only be after any commenter is seriously vetted.
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Racer X Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:51:42pm |
re: #115 albusteve
whoa...way too complicated...is there really a Purple People Eater?...I thought I made that up tonight...waaa!
How about a Screaming Purple Jesus?
1 part Everclear® alcohol
4 parts Kool-Aid® Grape mix
Simple!
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:51:45pm |
re: #95 Dark_Falcon
Yep, he won a free trip to the stalker blog. I just read that thread. Boy, what an asshole.
I went and read the thread.
WOW. Charles does have some crazy ex-posters.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:52:39pm |
re: #117 albusteve
yes, beautiful pic...two winters ago we had 14inches of snow here...the most ever in living memory...the photographers went nuts...I suspect that's where that pic comes from...thanks for posting that
Chicago has had quite a bit of snow today. It will likely top 14" before the weekend is over. It was so bad that I could not depend on the bus to get me home and hand to order a taxi in advance. On the plus side, I sold a lot of phones today. Enough that I can actually take my scheduled day off tomorrow.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:52:46pm |
albusteve's Purple People Eater
half a tumbler of Merlot on ice
toss in a shot of vodka
ad a splash of orange juice....
see you later, alligator!
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:52:48pm |
re: #118 freetoken
BTW, I'm being pretty strongly convinced that if I set up a blog I will not allow comments... or if I do, it will only be after any commenter is seriously vetted.
You can always delete, but you'll just have to keep on it. And you can always put a disclaimer on the site about your monitoring rules.
| 124 |
What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:53:19pm |
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humpty dumpty was pushed Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:53:34pm |
re: #119 Racer X
Lol! That`s called,"drinking for effect".
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:54:10pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:54:13pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Congratulations. I hope you have a super day off!
Sleeping in?
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freetoken Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:54:55pm |
re: #123 marjoriemoon
Yeah... disclaimers, nice for legal gymnastics, but ugly and worthless posters still soil the furniture with their crap.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:57:57pm |
re: #128 freetoken
Can you just allow screened comments?
But, then, you'd have to read them all.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:58:33pm |
re: #121 Dark_Falcon
Chicago has had quite a bit of snow today. It will likely top 14" before the weekend is over. It was so bad that I could not depend on the bus to get me home and hand to order a taxi in advance. On the plus side, I sold a lot of phones today. Enough that I can actually take my scheduled day off tomorrow.
I grew up across the lake in Kalamazoo...I know all about snow, snowfalls, snow men, snow removal, shovels, blowers, plows, snow skiing, snow mobiles, snowshoes, snowbirds, snow angels, snowed in, snow days and anything else having to do with that shit
| 131 |
Bagua Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:58:45pm |
re: #118 freetoken
BTW, I'm being pretty strongly convinced that if I set up a blog I will not allow comments... or if I do, it will only be after any commenter is seriously vetted.
That is a headache for a blog owner to be sure no matter what approached is used. Anonymous comments would appear the worst to deal with, at least with registered users there is some measure of familiarity.
| 132 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:59:18pm |
re: #127 Floral Giraffe
Congratulations. I hope you have a super day off!
Sleeping in?
Likely not. I switched days with another employee at not all the schedules reflect the change, so I'll call the opening manager before the store opens to make sure they know the situation. I'm also planning to try to share a meal with my family and so I'll get up early enough to coordinate that. Even so, i should be able to sleep till around 9am if I want to, and that's more than good enough.
| 133 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:59:18pm |
re: #130 albusteve
Kalamazoo? I had a girl there...
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:59:29pm |
re: #37 Killgore Trout
I think the rule to stay seated is supposed to keep jihadis from mixing chemicals in the bathroom at the last minute or walking up and placing them on the cockpit doors or something. I think if you get up to punch a guy trying to ignite his shoes then that's probably ok.
They can discuss it once the plane is on the ground in one piece...
| 135 |
darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 8:59:37pm |
OT (for Showtime fans): I was picking my boys up at planet pooch this morning and on the way back up to the highway noticed a Xmas tree lot called "Dexter's Xmas Trees" (Dexter's that serial killer guy in the show by the same name)...that was innocent enough, but what caught my eye was that they had a truck in the yard and were shoving unsold trees into a wood-chipper behind it...damn I wish I'd had my camera...that would have made a priceless shot.
Okay, back to the topic at hand.
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freetoken Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:00:27pm |
re: #129 Floral Giraffe
Can you just allow screened comments?
But, then, you'd have to read them all.
That indeed is the problem... which explains why Charles has monitors.
I am no where suggesting I would get anywhere near as many comments as LGF, but IMO even one would be more than I would want.
Life is short.
There is never enough time.
Last thing I want to do is deal with some idiot's anti-social behavior.
I really don't know how Charles puts up with all the crap.
| 137 |
albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:00:27pm |
re: #133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Kalamazoo? I had a girl there...
gal, you had a gal in Kalamazoo...zoo zoo zoo
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albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:01:14pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:03:42pm |
re: #140 albusteve
Ate at a restaurant in Kalamazoo once. Called the "Cork and Cleaver". Best frickin' Bloody Mary I ever had.
Next time I went, was stoked! Different bartender, crappy bloody mary.
Y'all? Be sure to tip your bartenders well.
| 143 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:04:27pm |
re: #71 darthstar
I went to a Baptist high school for a year, and the seniors planted firecrackers in several classrooms as pranks, with timers set to light them. They worked. It doesn't take a lot of brains to make a timed fuse. They used kitchen timers...the wind-up kind.
We had some kids at the horrible hippie school who took to making chemical mixes to explode plastic bottles. Of course, one of them also set the building on fire, but the principal was determined to see it as clean boyish fun.
I was less amused by then, but my last nerve wore out early.
| 144 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:05:46pm |
re: #81 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
And we have a SWEEP of the bottom 10 comments.
Congratulations to "bunnymud" for today's prize!
bunnymud shot the moon!
| 145 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:06:10pm |
re: #135 darthstar
Dexter is an awesome show.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:06:10pm |
Meanwhile in Palestine.....
IDF kills 3 Fatah men suspected of killing Israeli in West Bank
The Israel Defense Forces raided the men's homes in Nablus, acting on information obtained by the Shin Bet security service.Eyewitnesses said the three were shot while unarmed and did not resist arrest. However, Col. Itzik Bar, commander of the Samaria Brigade who led the operation, said that "the forces were operating based on a terrorist threat, with sufficient information that [the men were] armed.
....
The U.S. administration conveyed a message to both Israel and the PA that both sides should work to calm down the situation after the Nablus incident, a senior U.S. official told Haaretz. The official said that "we talked to both sides in order to get full information about what happened. We expressed our concern and encouraged both sides to continue their security cooperation."The dead are Raad Sarkaji, 38, a Tanzim activist formerly of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades in the Nablus area, who was arrested in 2002 and released at the beginning of this year; Ghassan Abu Shreikh, 40, who was also a former prisoner in Israel, and Adnan Subuh, 33. Security officials said Subuh had four weapons and a hoard of ammunition when he was killed.
The IDF reported that the troops reached the three homes and called on the occupants to surrender. When they did not, troops fired stun grenades and fired in the direction of the house involved. Only then did they shoot to kill
| 147 |
What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:06:13pm |
re: #128 freetoken
Yeah... disclaimers, nice for legal gymnastics, but ugly and worthless posters still soil the furniture with their crap.
Not for legal reasons. Just if someone posts "Death to America" people wouldn't think you agree with that, if for some reason you're not at the computer 24/7.
You're probably not going to prevent hate-filled or racist material on a website. I don't expect news sites to never have it. What I do expect is for someone to be monitoring it and removing it if it comes up. You're talking a personal page. It doesn't have to be within 5 minutes, but I think no more than 24 hours. A newspaper should have someone monitoring in the least every hour.
Charles, I believe, removes them because first, they offend him. Second, it offends us (just as anti-Semitic material always offended LGF posters from the very beginning). And thirdly, it sends the website down a dark hole. Even if every other poster was giving them hell about it, you have a website of screaming and insulting. Not a place to discuss race relations in any positive way anyway.
| 148 |
albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:06:37pm |
re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ate at a restaurant in Kalamazoo once. Called the "Cork and Cleaver". Best frickin' Bloody Mary I ever had.
Next time I went, was stoked! Different bartender, crappy bloody mary.
Y'all? Be sure to tip your bartenders well.
been there many times...used to spend my sales profits there like a maniac...probably bought you a Bloody myself...I was famous then, but for all the wrong reasons
| 149 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:06:49pm |
Well since I know a bit about chemistry and I am also an electrical engineer I don't think I need videos to tell me how to make a bomb. I'm quite sure that if I ever put my mind to it that I could build a very decent one. I've just never had any reason to try...
That being said there is no reason to give people incapable of figuring it out on their own instruction manuals on how to do it. Are they even stopping for one second to think of the people who might be injured or killed because they gave an idiot the means?
Timothy McVeigh never struck me as being smart enough to have built a bomb on his own, much less the devasting one he used. If he hadn't been given the information on how to do it by others would his name be infamous now? I doubt it very much.
| 150 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:07:07pm |
| 151 |
The Shadow Do Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:07:25pm |
re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ate at a restaurant in Kalamazoo once. Called the "Cork and Cleaver". Best frickin' Bloody Mary I ever had.
Next time I went, was stoked! Different bartender, crappy bloody mary.
Y'all? Be sure to tip your bartenders well.
Cork and Cleaver? We used to have our monthly meeting there, I think. First Tuesday every month, The He-Man Woman Hating Club at The Pork and Leave Her.
Kidding!
| 153 |
Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:09:11pm |
re: #132 Dark_Falcon
Likely not. I switched days with another employee at not all the schedules reflect the change, so I'll call the opening manager before the store opens to make sure they know the situation. I'm also planning to try to share a meal with my family and so I'll get up early enough to coordinate that. Even so, i should be able to sleep till around 9am if I want to, and that's more than good enough.
Enjoy your time off!
| 154 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:09:14pm |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
Meanwhile in Palestine...
IDF kills 3 Fatah men suspected of killing Israeli in West Bank
And that is Good News. Three terrorist murders get their 72 virgins goats. The IDF did very well in this case, finding the terrorist as quickly as they did.
| 155 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:09:44pm |
| 156 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:10:06pm |
re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist
bunnymud shot the moon!
And then Charles shot him down. Good riddance to troll rubbish.
| 157 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:10:26pm |
re: #154 Dark_Falcon
The Guardian is claiming that some sort of cease fire is in danger.
| 158 |
Sheila Broflovski Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:10:40pm |
Good night everyone.
Reine, enjoy your Ahava organic body wash when it arrives!
| 159 |
Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:10:44pm |
re: #122 albusteve
Sounds amazing. I'm so boring though. Just give me my Guinness. Boring is good. Mmmmmm. Real good.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:10:48pm |
re: #151 The Shadow Do
Cork and Cleaver? We used to have our monthly meeting there, I think. First Tuesday every month, The He-Man Woman Hating Club at The Pork and Leave Her.
Hey! Old man Johnson's got a barn!
Let's put on a show! Darla? You sing. Alfalfa? You suck! Don't sing!
| 161 |
Racer X Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:11:41pm |
| 162 |
darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:11:49pm |
re: #155 Killgore Trout
That's like the Sesame Street song...
Three of these people belong together,
Three of these people are kind of the same,
But one of these people just watches Fox news,
Can you name her before the song is done?
Before the song is done...
| 163 |
albusteve Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:12:16pm |
re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
HA!
Blodwyn Pig had a song called 'Sprinkle Road to Cork Street'...the Cork and Cleaver was on the same Cork street...so now you are famous
| 164 |
Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:12:26pm |
re: #155 Killgore Trout
That was not a high quality bunch!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:14:18pm |
re: #163 albusteve
Blodwyn Pig had a song called 'Sprinkle Road to Cork Street'...the Cork and Cleaver was on the same Cork street...so now you are famous
I ate meat back then. Very passable steak, too!
| 166 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:14:58pm |
re: #155 Killgore Trout
Well, I'd only think that the woman is a Tea Partier. Those other people see to be anti-war leftists. I'm not sure which is worse.
| 167 |
meh99 Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:15:49pm |
Hmm, they showed how to mix two unidentified materials, paint it on a piece of fireworks fuse and hide it in a pen. Nothing really earthshaking here.
And the tired old watermelon trick, sigh. Note the fencepost it was sitting on was not damaged at all.
I don't think anything imaginative or dangerous was leaked. Any would-be terrorist could find more specific information without searching too hard.
IMO this is really no worse then the rest of the garbage on Hot Air.
--meh
| 169 |
Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:16:38pm |
| 170 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:16:48pm |
re: #157 Killgore Trout
The Guardian is claiming that some sort of cease fire is in danger.
Any such cease-fire went out the window when those terrorist murdered a rabbi. They made 7 children orphans, and so the IDF made them corpses.
| 171 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:17:27pm |
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:18:22pm |
re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Would that make it a Jack (off) rabbit?
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:19:34pm |
re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Groans.....
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:20:06pm |
re: #173 Irenicum
Oh, dear, you didn't...
Yes, you did!
LOL!
| 177 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:20:15pm |
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The Shadow Do Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:21:35pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:21:50pm |
re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
BRAIN BLEACH!
STAT!
OMG...
| 180 |
Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:22:08pm |
re: #176 Floral Giraffe
It's the material! They're the gift that keeps on giving.
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:22:18pm |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
Ex Al-Aksa Brigade is most likely Hamas.
Jpost has another take, that the IDF praised the PA for their role in capturing another 150 suspects.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
On Friday, PA forces arrested some 150 suspects, most of whom were released on Saturday after the IDF operation in Nablus, in which the three terrorists were killed.
And then this little bit.
The performance of the PA security forces has improved over the past two years with the deployment of US-trained battalions throughout the West Bank. There are currently battalions deployed in Nablus, Jenin, Bethlehem and Hebron.
Sweet.
| 183 |
Mich-again Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:23:35pm |
Charles, here is a page from a bike frame shop's website warning readers how typical brake cleaner can turn to phosgene gas if it is exposed to excessive heat and argon gas used in MIG or TIG welding. It tells the story of a welder's long medical ordeal and brush with death after inhaling a trace amount of phosgene gas made that way by a guy who didn't read the fine print on the label.
It is intended to be a safety alert of course but it could be used the wrong way.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:23:56pm |
re: #177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'd even downding it, but I like Veggie.
And, it was funny...
| 185 |
The Shadow Do Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:26:25pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:26:42pm |
I chopped a very pretty Jalapeno tonight for a fan-frickin'-tastic veggie chili.
Just rubbed my eye...
We'll file that under "M".
For mistake.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:27:24pm |
re: #185 The Shadow Do
O tay! That's enough of these LR puns, or do I have to bring in the three stooges?
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Ojoe Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:27:28pm |
Now they will search our underpants.
Bend over and spread 'em.
Right wingers on the suspect list.
I am already reverting to "hippie".
Good thing I never cut my ponytail.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:28:05pm |
re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I chopped a very pretty Jalapeno tonight for a fan-frickin'-tastic veggie chili.
Just rubbed my eye...
We'll file that under "M".
For mistake.
Be thankful you didn't rub something else.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:28:49pm |
re: #189 darthstar
Be thankful you didn't rub something else.
One of the guys on my college fencing team accidentally got some Tiger Balm on the inside of his cup. Swore it improved his performance.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:28:52pm |
re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I chopped a very pretty Jalapeno tonight for a fan-frickin'-tastic veggie chili.
Just rubbed my eye...
We'll file that under "M".
For mistake.
Not, O for Owie?
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rurality Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:28:55pm |
Once again the Nog smooths over waspy disfunction.
16 eggs
1lb. powdered sugar
1 qt rum
5 cups bourbon
1qt whole milk
1qt whipping cream
1T. vanilla
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:29:08pm |
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:29:29pm |
re: #183 Mich-again
Charles, here is a page from a bike frame shop's website warning readers how typical brake cleaner can turn to phosgene gas if it is exposed to excessive heat and argon gas used in MIG or TIG welding. It tells the story of a welder's long medical ordeal and brush with death after inhaling a trace amount of phosgene gas made that way by a guy who didn't read the fine print on the label.
It is intended to be a safety alert of course but it could be used the wrong way.
It doesn't take anyone with more than, what? An 8th grade education to know certain chemicals shouldn't be mixed. Most people know how to make "mustard gas" and are pretty careful with their household chemicals not to make mistakes.
My husband of course, would call your story a case of "survival of the fittest". Who doesn't read labels on household chemicals?
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Mich-again Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:29:37pm |
re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
We'll file that under "M".For mistake.
File it under "L".
For Lucky it wasn't a Habanero
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Ojoe Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:30:12pm |
re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist
Tiger Balm. Never put it on your you-know-what.®
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:30:35pm |
re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Jalapeno or Jalapen.... oh never mind.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:30:46pm |
re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist
One of the guys on my college fencing team accidentally got some Tiger Balm on the inside of his cup. Swore it improved his performance.
Tiger Balm? What does that do, make you cheat on your wife with a dozen women?
///
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:31:00pm |
re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist
One of the guys on my college fencing team accidentally got some Tiger Balm on the inside of his cup. Swore it improved his performance.
There's a word for those kinda folks.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:32:10pm |
re: #200 Dark_Falcon
Tiger Balm? What does that do, make you cheat on your wife with a dozen women?
///
Rub a little on, and you'll need a caddy to carry your club.
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:32:28pm |
re: #201 marjoriemoon
I think the lead singer of Fishbone said that Tiger Balm on his balls was his key to stellar live performances.
Personally, I think he wanted to know that countless fratboys were slapping Tiger Balm down there in a vain hope of emulating him, and laughing his ass off.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:34:41pm |
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Mich-again Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:34:43pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:35:51pm |
re: #200 Dark_Falcon
Imagine being Tiger Woods.
A dozen? That's nuthin.
A dozen (at a time?) Okay, I'm impressed.
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:35:59pm |
"How do you men walk around with those things?"
-Elaine Benes
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:36:29pm |
re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Now that's just being cocky!
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altermite Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:36:44pm |
re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist
One of the guys on my college fencing team accidentally got some Tiger Balm on the inside of his cup. Swore it improved his performance.
Oh, what weapon did you fence? I'm doing sabre at school right now, but I may be switching to foil to fill out the squad if one guy keeps cutting practice.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:39:28pm |
re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Imagine being Tiger Woods.
A dozen? That's nuthin.
A dozen (at a time?) Okay, I'm impressed.
I'm not. He prove himself to be a sleezy horn-dog. He lost the respect people had for him over his desire for sex. What a fool.
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:39:43pm |
Ah. We're back in the gutter. Oh wait. I forgot, this was a golf theme, not bowling. Sorry! Please proceed.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:39:47pm |
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:40:03pm |
re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Imagine being Tiger Woods.
A dozen? That's nuthin.
A dozen (at a time?) Okay, I'm impressed.
At least Tiger finally gave meaning to 'the back nine'
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:41:47pm |
It's WORSE than a boob thread.
IMHO.
Still, funny....
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:42:06pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:44:36pm |
re: #215 Dark_Falcon
He has had the light shined on his true behavior.
I am still waiting to see if the steroid use accusation is valid.
He's not a nice person, IMHO.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:45:28pm |
re: #154 Dark_Falcon
And that is Good News. Three terrorist murders get their 72
virginsgoats. The IDF did very well in this case, finding the terrorist as quickly as they did.
They don't get 72 "virgins" though, that is a perversion of the Qur'an, they get 72 houri, they are not human virgins. They are kind of like angels, as in that they are divine beings created by God for a specific purpose, they do not have free will like humans.
Depending on the Islamic interpretation you believe, they are either whores to be used at your leisure or inviolate beings that you cannot so much as touch, much less soil with "earthly" passions. The majority of Islam still goes with the "Angels to serve you and make sure your comfortable and well fed at all times" interpretation over the "Whores to be sexually used by you any time you feel like it" one.
It is supposed to be about having more servants in heaven than you could ever need to take care of your every whim, not more "virgin/sluts" than you could ever f**k. They definitely have that bit wrong according to their own scripture.
Then again who am I to say that, just look at some of the whacko interpretations of the bible that are common in this country...sigh. :(
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:45:29pm |
re: #215 Dark_Falcon
I'm not. He prove himself to be a sleezy horn-dog. He lost the respect people had for him over his desire for sex. What a fool.
Tiger's still a professional golfer. He'll still win tournaments, and he'll still get major endorsement contracts. He'll still have his charity events, and he'll still draw huge (though maybe not super-huge) crowds because he's a very good golfer. He never signed up to be a role model.
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:45:44pm |
re: #215 Dark_Falcon
You're right of course. I hope he can redeem his relationship with his wife and family. Letting your privy do your thinking is never a good idea.
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:46:16pm |
re: #222 Floral Giraffe
He has had the light shined on his true behavior.
I am still waiting to see if the steroid use accusation is valid.
He's not a nice person, IMHO.
I thought steriods made you impotent.
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Racer X Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:46:34pm |
The Lakers are gonna give me a heart attack.
Double OT in Sacramento.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:47:35pm |
re: #223 ausador
That sounds a lot better than 72 virgins...I don't consider having 72 girls following me around for all eternity asking me why I never call to be anything close to paradise.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:47:43pm |
re: #213 altermite
Oh, what weapon did you fence? I'm doing sabre at school right now, but I may be switching to foil to fill out the squad if one guy keeps cutting practice.
I did foil in competition, mostly. Filled in for epee a couple of times, when we started a women's epee squad, but I HATE epee.
I started to do sabre, and really loved it, but never did it in competition. We didn't have a women's squad, and all the men's slots were filled...but I practiced a lot.
Haven't fenced in like, fifteen years!
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:47:45pm |
re: #223 ausador
I think the whole sex Angel thing is pretty bizarre in of itself, but that's me.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:48:22pm |
re: #226 marjoriemoon
I don't think so, WAY not an expert, but Sly Stalone is a BIG HGH user. (Human Growth Hormone). I don't think he's impotent, but have no evidence in any way!
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:49:30pm |
re: #224 darthstar
IF
the stroids allegations are true...
He may be done.
Time will tell!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:49:43pm |
re: #224 darthstar
Tiger's still a professional golfer. He'll still win tournaments, and he'll still get major endorsement contracts. He'll still have his charity events, and he'll still draw huge (though maybe not super-huge) crowds because he's a very good golfer. He never signed up to be a role model.
If people come to see you as a role model, you should accept that role and act the part. Setting the right example to live by is a far better thing than any mere transitory pleasure. It makes the world a better place and is pleasing to God, whom we should always wish to serve as best as we can.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:50:06pm |
re: #232 Floral Giraffe
stroids = steroids in my PIMFless world....
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:50:37pm |
Well this thread just went limp! All these steroid using athletes should all practice in Lake Flaccid.
/ (as if it's even necessary)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:51:51pm |
re: #227 Racer X
The Lakers are gonna give me a heart attack.
Double OT in Sacramento.
Racer! Magic and Larry have written a book!
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:52:09pm |
And to think. This all started b/c of a little stupid bunny. See. They do multiply!
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:52:14pm |
re: #231 Floral Giraffe
I don't think so, WAY not an expert, but Sly Stalone is a BIG HGH user. (Human Growth Hormone). I don't think he's impotent, but have no evidence in any way!
I think it's erectile dysfunction, although this article says your sex drive increases.
[Link: www.mensexualissues.com...]
Man that would suck.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:52:15pm |
re: #235 Irenicum
Well this thread just went limp! All these steroid using athletes should all practice in Lake Flaccid.
/ (as if it's even necessary)
Isn't that where they hold the ole limp-ics?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:53:49pm |
re: #223 ausador
[snip]
Then again who am I to say that, just look at some of the whacko interpretations of the bible that are common in this country...sigh. :(
Such as?
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:55:12pm |
Wiki's for
Human growth hormone
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
and Steroids
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:55:53pm |
re: #240 Walter L. Newton
I would think the Left Behind stuff for starters.
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:56:45pm |
Are they saying that steroid use had something to do with his cheating? Or they just throwing it into the ring?
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ryannon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:57:54pm |
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Altermite Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:58:56pm |
re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist
I did foil in competition, mostly. Filled in for epee a couple of times, when we started a women's epee squad, but I HATE epee.
I started to do sabre, and really loved it, but never did it in competition. We didn't have a women's squad, and all the men's slots were filled...but I practiced a lot.
Haven't fenced in like, fifteen years!
Women's sabre has been one of our hardest to fill each year. Its not as popular as the other two. You should get back in, if you still have your gear or can get some.conveniently.
askfred.net lists fencing tournaments and events.
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:59:22pm |
re: #243 marjoriemoon
I thinks it's general Tiger envy, and the steroid accusation is just an opportunity to throw fuel on the fire. He's obviously guilty as hell on the sex front. But I've never heard any rumors of steroid use till now.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:00:10pm |
re: #242 Irenicum
I would think the Left Behind stuff for starters.
Those are novel's, not theology, not Christian apologetics, not doctrine, that's like C.S. Lewis... novels... like "The Last Temptation of Christ"... a novel/movie which imagines what it would have been like if Christ accepted a different path.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:00:13pm |
re: #243 marjoriemoon
Are they saying that steroid use had something to do with his cheating? Or they just throwing it into the ring?
I think the steroid accusations are an attempt to bring him down for something more than simple infidelity. In other words, Tiger's got a flesh wound and the sharks smell blood. Tarnishing his name further is merely part of the evolution of this story. The media won't be happy until he's a completely broken man...then they can air two-hour specials about the greatest golfer that almost was and his downfall, and we can move on to the next great icon.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:01:37pm |
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:02:23pm |
re: #247 Walter L. Newton
I agree. Except that many people, many I know, accept them as theology. And the novels are based on the teachings of Dispensationalism, which is theology. And, in my mind, a modern novelty and dangerous to boot. Especially in this day and age.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:03:42pm |
re: #242 Irenicum
I would think the Left Behind stuff for starters.
You are confusing interpretation for fiction. Interpretation is like "on the first day, G-d created..." Let's see. Is that a 24 hour day or not. Well, the Hebrew word mean a expanse of time, not a 24 hour day. There is a different word in Hebrew for a 24 hour day. So, the writer in Genesis probably meant G-d created something over a period of time.
That's interpretation.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:04:18pm |
re: #243 marjoriemoon
What I recall, is they are implying that he's so good, because of his use of illegal drugs. STRICTLY rumor mill. No proof. A doctor he's seen is under scrutiny, IIRC.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:05:34pm |
DF, thank you for my 5,000 karma point!
LOL!
Now where do I spend these things?????
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:06:16pm |
re: #252 Floral Giraffe
What I recall, is they are implying that he's so good, because of his use of illegal drugs. STRICTLY rumor mill. No proof. A doctor he's seen is under scrutiny, IIRC.
Yep...it's just rumors. What was it Jonathan Swift (or was it Alexander Pope?) wrote? "Falsity flies and the truth comes limping after."
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:06:40pm |
re: #253 Floral Giraffe
DF, thank you for my 5,000 karma point!
LOL!
Now where do I spend these things???
You can exchange 20,000 karma points for a cluebat, I think. :)
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:07:22pm |
re: #250 Irenicum
I agree. Except that many people, many I know, accept them as theology. And the novels are based on the teachings of Dispensationalism, which is theology. And, in my mind, a modern novelty and dangerous to boot. Especially in this day and age.
A modern novelty? Please, don't talk about what you do not know about. Dispensationalism is far from a "modern novelty." Do you know how far back it goes?
And as I said, those books are not theology. Just because some people read them and go "well, that's probably is the way it will happen" has nothing to do with official doctrine of any given sect.
It would be the same as someone who believed in UFO and read a science fiction book and said "I believe that's how the aliens will look."
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:08:21pm |
re: #251 Walter L. Newton
The writers of Left Behind, Tim Lehaye and Jerry Jenkins, both hold strongly to Dispensational beliefs. They write their fiction from their convictions. So while they are novels and shouldn't be taken as theology (I totally agree with that), I know too many people who do just that. Ad not just with that series. The whole Frank Peretti spiritual warfare series that he penned is very popular in charismatic circles and has basically shaped their view of spiritual warfare. Is it fiction? Yes. But do people read it theologically? Absolutely. And so it needs to be taken seriously, especially since they're so popular.
| 258 |
What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:11:13pm |
Tiger never looked overly buffed to me, but what do I know. I hope not for his sake and for any hope in professional sports.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:11:22pm |
re: #240 Walter L. Newton
Such as?
You want to get me started?
Ok, how about the entire half (13 books) of the New Testament that Saul/Paul supposedly wrote but that scholars say were ghost written between 700 and 1340 AD?
How about the entire book of Revelations that is just a written down bad mushroom trip. How about that millions of evangelical Christians in this country believe that the "Rapture" will occur before the tribulation?
All based on a 14 year old english girls "visions" and then a massive attempt ever since to read the scripture in such a way as to support a pre-trib rapture. There is no such thing in the bible, any thinking person who reads it for themselves knows that. It is bullshit, it is heresy, it is wishful thinking, and it most definitely is not actually Christian.
There Walter, does that make you happy?
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:11:51pm |
re: #256 Walter L. Newton
Are you familiar with John Nelson Darby? Are you familiar with the Plymouth Brethren? I've spent years reading up on him and them. So I do actually know quite a bit about all of that. This is my world of research (among a few others). And I do consider them to be "modern" in the sense that this system of theology didn't occur till the 1800's. In the span of church history that's pretty modern to me.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:12:28pm |
re: #256 Walter L. Newton
A modern novelty? Please, don't talk about what you do not know about. Dispensationalism is far from a "modern novelty." Do you know how far back it goes?
Myths about Marduk, Apsu and Tiamat go back further than any others in human history...does that make them as valid as dispensationalism?
If so, then the Enuma Elish is the official history of the creation.
| 262 |
darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:13:34pm |
re: #259 ausador
Revelations is just a transcribed shrooming trip? No wonder I like that book.
/
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:14:02pm |
re: #257 Irenicum
The writers of Left Behind, Tim Lehaye and Jerry Jenkins, both hold strongly to Dispensational beliefs. They write their fiction from their convictions. So while they are novels and shouldn't be taken as theology (I totally agree with that), I know too many people who do just that. Ad not just with that series. The whole Frank Peretti spiritual warfare series that he penned is very popular in charismatic circles and has basically shaped their view of spiritual warfare. Is it fiction? Yes. But do people read it theologically? Absolutely. And so it needs to be taken seriously, especially since they're so popular.
You said those books were interpretation, they are not. They are fiction. You said Dispensational beliefs was a modern novelty, it is not. And then you change the subject and by telling me how people read the books theologically.
My comment to you was not how they read them, my comment to you was your misstatements. People read all sorts of fiction and start imagining the possibilities. That does not make it doctrine or theology.
| 264 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:14:03pm |
re: #259 ausador
If it is your intention to simply Dismiss the New Testament, then your argument is rejected. I believe it to be the word of God and do not entertain counter arguments on that matter.
| 265 |
Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:14:43pm |
I feel like I traveled through the rabbit hole. We've gone from bunnies to eschatology!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:14:55pm |
re: #260 Irenicum
Are you familiar with John Nelson Darby? Are you familiar with the Plymouth Brethren? I've spent years reading up on him and them. So I do actually know quite a bit about all of that. This is my world of research (among a few others). And I do consider them to be "modern" in the sense that this system of theology didn't occur till the 1800's. In the span of church history that's pretty modern to me.
The concept of a dispensation - the arrangement of divisions in Biblical history - dates back to Irenaeus in the second century.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:16:00pm |
re: #223 ausador
They don't get 72 "virgins" though, that is a perversion of the Qur'an, they get 72 houri, they are not human virgins. They are kind of like angels, as in that they are divine beings created by God for a specific purpose, they do not have free will like humans.
Depending on the Islamic interpretation you believe, they are either whores to be used at your leisure or inviolate beings that you cannot so much as touch, much less soil with "earthly" passions. The majority of Islam still goes with the "Angels to serve you and make sure your comfortable and well fed at all times" interpretation over the "Whores to be sexually used by you any time you feel like it" one.
It is supposed to be about having more servants in heaven than you could ever need to take care of your every whim, not more "virgin/sluts" than you could ever f**k. They definitely have that bit wrong according to their own scripture.
Then again who am I to say that, just look at some of the whacko interpretations of the bible that are common in this country...sigh. :(
I did once have a wonderful discussion with an elderly Muslim gentleman who explained that according to some, the houri are 'young ladies who will have a nice time with you', but that he expected that his wife would 'kill me so much I would die even in heaven' if he took up the option.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:17:36pm |
re: #259 ausador
You want to get me started?
Ok, how about the entire half (13 books) of the New Testament that Saul/Paul supposedly wrote but that scholars say were ghost written between 700 and 1340 AD?
How about the entire book of Revelations that is just a written down bad mushroom trip. How about that millions of evangelical Christians in this country believe that the "Rapture" will occur before the tribulation?
All based on a 14 year old english girls "visions" and then a massive attempt ever since to read the scripture in such a way as to support a pre-trib rapture. There is no such thing in the bible, any thinking person who reads it for themselves knows that. It is bullshit, it is heresy, it is wishful thinking, and it most definitely is not actually Christian.
There Walter, does that make you happy?
What the fuck is with your attitude? I was asking you a question, not challenging you to a duel.
But now that you brought up all of these "points." I almost fell off the my chair, since everything you mentions is such time worn anti-apologetics that have no basis in reality or scholarship or facts. But I must admit, the magic mushroom stuff and other things you pointed out was so much fun to read back in the 60's. Especially when we were stoned.
How about some links and/or references to you "points." This should be fun tearing apart.
| 269 |
Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:17:45pm |
re: #259 ausador
You are kidding on at least half of what you write here aren't you?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:18:56pm |
re: #262 darthstar
Revelations is just a transcribed shrooming trip? No wonder I like that book.
/
According to a Douglas Adams novel, Revelations is what happens when you're left standing in the sun for hours waiting for the Patmos ferry.
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:19:19pm |
re: #268 Walter L. Newton
Ditto. We may have disagreements. But this stuff is old and has been dealt with more than adequately.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:19:46pm |
re: #264 Dark_Falcon
If it is your intention to simply Dismiss the New Testament, then your argument is rejected. I believe it to be the word of God and do not entertain counter arguments on that matter.
re: #259 ausador
You want to get me started?
Ok, how about the entire half (13 books) of the New Testament that Saul/Paul supposedly wrote but that scholars say were ghost written between 700 and 1340 AD?
How about the entire book of Revelations that is just a written down bad mushroom trip. How about that millions of evangelical Christians in this country believe that the "Rapture" will occur before the tribulation?
All based on a 14 year old english girls "visions" and then a massive attempt ever since to read the scripture in such a way as to support a pre-trib rapture. There is no such thing in the bible, any thinking person who reads it for themselves knows that. It is bullshit, it is heresy, it is wishful thinking, and it most definitely is not actually Christian.
There Walter, does that make you happy?
Oh, by the way, I'm an atheist, so don't try to "scare" me with any of your mumbo-jumbo, and please don't start talking religious apologetics unless you know what you are talking about, please.
| 273 |
Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:21:23pm |
re: #269 Irenicum
You are kidding on at least half of what you write here aren't you?
On this you and I will have no problem agreeing. The last time I even heard this sort of slop was, and I really mean this, back in the 60's when everyone was getting really high and we were turning the whole history of religion into a covers for rock albums, if you get my drift.
| 274 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:21:45pm |
re: #264 Dark_Falcon
If it is your intention to simply Dismiss the New Testament, then your argument is rejected. I believe it to be the word of God and do not entertain counter arguments on that matter.
No, not at all, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John told the story of Jesus and relayed his sayings to us. Then Saul/Paul came along and switched from persecutor of Christians to corruptor of Christians. Paul was a misogynist, a racist, a slavery apologist, a gay hater, what did he say that had anything to do with what Jesus taught?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:22:24pm |
re: #264 Dark_Falcon
If it is your intention to simply Dismiss the New Testament, then your argument is rejected. I believe it to be the word of God and do not entertain counter arguments on that matter.
You weren't supposed to be in my 272, sorry.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:22:44pm |
re: #272 Walter L. Newton
Oh, by the way, I'm an atheist, so don't try to "scare" me with any of your mumbo-jumbo, and please don't start talking religious apologetics unless you know what you are talking about, please.
I wrapped a newspaper 'round my head
So I'd look like I was Deep
I said some Mumbo Jumbos then
An' told him he was goin' to sleep
I robbed his rings
An' pocket watch
An' everything else I found
I had that sucker hypnotized
He couldn't even make a sound
I proceeded to tell him his future then
As long as he was hanging around,
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:23:15pm |
re: #266 Walter L. Newton
Believe me, I'm familiar with Irenaeus. I believe that his use of the word dispensation is radically different than what John Nelson Darby had in mind. The same word, but very different meanigns. But I do know that modern dispensationalists use Irenaeus for their arguments all the time. I just don't think they have a leg to stand on.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:23:46pm |
re: #275 Walter L. Newton
You weren't supposed to be in my 272, sorry.
No problem, Walter. Thank you for that.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:24:44pm |
re: #274 ausador
No, not at all, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John told the story of Jesus and relayed his sayings to us. Then Saul/Paul came along and switched from persecutor of Christians to corruptor of Christians. Paul was a misogynist, a racist, a slavery apologist, a gay hater, what did he say that had anything to do with what Jesus taught?
Wait a second Sherlock, let's get back to your first statement about 14 year old girls and and mushrooms.
I don't think you have a clue who wrote what, who wrote what when, who related what and which biblical books relied on what data.
Please, stop talking religious history and apologetics, you apparently don't know squat.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:24:51pm |
re: #274 ausador
No, not at all, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John told the story of Jesus and relayed his sayings to us. Then Saul/Paul came along and switched from persecutor of Christians to corruptor of Christians. Paul was a misogynist, a racist, a slavery apologist, a gay hater, what did he say that had anything to do with what Jesus taught?
That's a fairly controversial thing to say. It reminds me somewhat of Dan Brown.
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ryannon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:25:16pm |
re: #253 Floral Giraffe
DF, thank you for my 5,000 karma point!
LOL!
Now where do I spend these things???
They can be redeemed at the same place that you send your S&H Green Stamps and Raleigh Cigarette Coupons .
In the LGF catalog I have, 5,000 points gets you an autographed photo of Space Jesus.
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freetoken Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:25:25pm |
re: #257 Irenicum
My conclusion, having discussed these types of ideas with a wide range of people, is that a great deal of cultural/contemporary thinking gets repackaged as "theology".
Each and every person, you, me, and Joe Bible-belt, are highly influenced by the thoughts of others, as they are conveyed to us.
How many religious people do you know who have a grasp of the languages in which the Bible was written? How many know the history of significant religious teachings?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:28:18pm |
re: #277 Irenicum
Believe me, I'm familiar with Irenaeus. I believe that his use of the word dispensation is radically different than what John Nelson Darby had in mind. The same word, but very different meanigns. But I do know that modern dispensationalists use Irenaeus for their arguments all the time. I just don't think they have a leg to stand on.
Well, I know we can are dispensationalism till we are blue in the face, it's the chicken and the egg debate all over again.
As I said above, that wasn't my original comment back to you. It was simply in regards to the way you used the word "interpretation." I don't consider the "Left Behind" books to be interpretation, not in the scholarly, textual criticism, hermetics sense of the word.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:28:58pm |
re: #283 freetoken
My conclusion, having discussed these types of ideas with a wide range of people, is that a great deal of cultural/contemporary thinking gets repackaged as "theology".
Each and every person, you, me, and Joe Bible-belt, are highly influenced by the thoughts of others, as they are conveyed to us.
How many religious people do you know who have a grasp of the languages in which the Bible was written? How many know the history of significant religious teachings?
Me.
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:29:02pm |
re: #283 freetoken
My conclusion, having discussed these types of ideas with a wide range of people, is that a great deal of cultural/contemporary thinking gets repackaged as "theology".
Each and every person, you, me, and Joe Bible-belt, are highly influenced by the thoughts of others, as they are conveyed to us.
How many religious people do you know who have a grasp of the languages in which the Bible was written? How many know the history of significant religious teachings?
Oooo! I know! The Jews and the Torah!
What do *I* win?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:29:32pm |
How about, rather than swinging at one another, you try to explain the concept to someone who usually hasn't a clue what the Prods are on about.
What's dispensationalism?
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:29:51pm |
re: #282 marjoriemoon
Wow. Where's that from?
Frank Zappa's "Cosmik Debris" I always loved that song.
The whole song is a masterpiece of lyrical humor.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:30:14pm |
re: #287 SanFranciscoZionist
How about, rather than swinging at one another, you try to explain the concept to someone who usually hasn't a clue what the Prods are on about.
What's dispensationalism?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:30:51pm |
re: #287 SanFranciscoZionist
How about, rather than swinging at one another, you try to explain the concept to someone who usually hasn't a clue what the Prods are on about.
What's dispensationalism?
::: as the Jews sit perplexed in the corner ::::
lol
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:31:06pm |
re: #280 Dark_Falcon
That's a fairly controversial thing to say. It reminds me somewhat of Dan Brown.
What am I supposed to say, I believe the words of Jesus, but not those of Paul. Im my opinion and upon my understanding of the bible of and it's history I cannot trust anything that "Paul" supposedly said or wrote.
I feel that Paul has done more to pervert the understanding of Jesus' message than anyone else in history. Yet he is revered as the founder of the Christian church, talk about an anti-christ? Yeah, he came and went already...
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:31:11pm |
re: #288 darthstar
Frank Zappa's "Cosmik Debris" I always loved that song.
The whole song is a masterpiece of lyrical humor.
I mean where was the concert?
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ryannon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:31:54pm |
re: #273 Walter L. Newton
On this you and I will have no problem agreeing. The last time I even heard this sort of slop was, and I really mean this, back in the 60's when everyone was getting really high and we were turning the whole history of religion into a covers for rock albums, if you get my drift.
Tell me about it
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:32:47pm |
re: #292 marjoriemoon
Oh, I think it was in Holland. Europe, definitely. I didn't look closely when I was copying the url.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:32:54pm |
re: #286 marjoriemoon
Oooo! I know! The Jews and the Torah!
What do *I* win?
Well, I can read the Tanach in the original, and enough Aramaic to hack my way slowly through some Gemara. Most frum Jews can do me far better.
My Greek's nonexistent. I just don't care enough about the Septuagint as a source to learn myself--I rely on translators.
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darthstar Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:33:46pm |
re: #292 marjoriemoon
Check that...it was from Stockholm, Sweden.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:34:00pm |
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:35:05pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:35:48pm |
Walter, do you read Greek? Is it as impossible as all my theological-grad-student friends claim?
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freetoken Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:37:19pm |
re: #285 Walter L. Newton
Me.
I was under the impression that you no longer consider yourself a "religious" person.
Anyway, if you are comfortable slinging around ancient Greek and Hebrew, and know the difference between Marcionism and Monarchianism then you are definitely in a minority.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:38:14pm |
re: #291 ausador
What am I supposed to say, I believe the words of Jesus, but not those of Paul. Im my opinion and upon my understanding of the bible of and it's history I cannot trust anything that "Paul" supposedly said or wrote.
I feel that Paul has done more to pervert the understanding of Jesus' message than anyone else in history. Yet he is revered as the founder of the Christian church, talk about an anti-christ? Yeah, he came and went already...
And where do you get your superior knowledge of the validity of which books Paul may have penned compared to which books he certainly didn't pen and which books are debatable as to if he penned them
And what do you really know about Paul's writing, any of it, as it compares to Jewish thought in the first century CE? Textual critics (you know that's like science) find many of Paul's arguments and exposition very much in keeping with early Rabbinic thinking. There were many "flavors" of Judaism at the time, and Paul very much fit's comfortably in the meme of Jewish thought of the time.
Where do you even get anything of what you are saying, or is all this personal belief that has no foundation in history, textual criticism, biblical and historical history or... basically it sounds like you are pulling what you are saying out of your ASS.
I can't say it any clearer.
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:38:19pm |
re: #283 freetoken
We all come to the text involved, whether the Judeo/Christian scriptures or any other, from our cultural and personal context. And that shapes what we see deeply. I've in the past, and continue to now, research the ANE (ancient near east) along with the texts already mentioned. My views are pretty nuanced when it comes to those who call themselves "evangelical,' which I still do.
And as to your question of how many religious people know the languages or the cultural customs involved? Very, very few. That's why those who study these issues are necessary to help in the process of knowing more accurately what the original writers intended. I'm not a hard boiled sceptic regarding knowledge, so I do believe that we can know reality reasonably well. But I also know (!) that we all see through a glass darkly. And btw, I took 4 years of Greek in undergrad. I can't claim to have any expertise on any other language, but that one I know decently well.
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ryannon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:40:29pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:41:03pm |
re: #300 freetoken
I was under the impression that you no longer consider yourself a "religious" person.
Anyway, if you are comfortable slinging around ancient Greek and Hebrew, and know the difference between Marcionism and Monarchianism then you are definitely in a minority.
What the fuck does "religious" have to do with a good knowledge and understanding of religion. They teach comparative religious courses in many schools.
And what do you mean "no longer." Show me where you ever heard me say I was anything but a full-blooded atheist.
You must have someone else in mind.
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:41:27pm |
re: #284 Walter L. Newton
I agree that Left Behind isn't interpretation in the strict sense. But it's based on a system that is. And people take it to be an accurate understanding of scripture. That was my concern.
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freetoken Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:46:30pm |
re: #304 Walter L. Newton
What the fuck does "religious" have to do ....
You responded to my #283, which was a query to Irenicum about "religious" people.
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:46:33pm |
I have to say, aside from Walter's atheism, of which I certainly don't share, his responses regarding Paul and second temple Judaism (another area of interest), he's spot on. ausador, you really need to study up more.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:46:50pm |
re: #305 Irenicum
I agree that Left Behind isn't interpretation in the strict sense. But it's based on a system that is. And people take it to be an accurate understanding of scripture. That was my concern.
The strict sense was what I meant. It doesn't surprise me, but what you are saying is a "revelation" to me. I wasn't aware that those sorts of books were suddenly becoming intrenched in the minds of some "enders" as the possible or actual sort of events that will take place.
Maybe I shouldn't be surprised. A simple example that I can relate to, when I was a Jehovahs Witness, back around 1974, in an article about the "end times" a comment was made that after the "rapture" Christians would be able to have any nice house that they saw was empty because the wicked would be gone. This was more of an "example" not a doctrine, but a few years later, I actually heard some people acting like that was a for sure ting, even though it was only an "aside" remark in an essay and not official doctrine.
So, I guess it happens.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:47:26pm |
re: #307 Irenicum
I have to say, aside from Walter's atheism, of which I certainly don't share, his responses regarding Paul and second temple Judaism (another area of interest), he's spot on. ausador, you really need to study up more.
Er, I'm not so polite, ausador needs to shut the fuck up.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:47:32pm |
re: #301 Walter L. Newton
And where do you get your superior knowledge of the validity of which books Paul may have penned compared to which books he certainly didn't pen and which books are debatable as to if he penned them
And what do you really know about Paul's writing, any of it, as it compares to Jewish thought in the first century CE? Textual critics (you know that's like science) find many of Paul's arguments and exposition very much in keeping with early Rabbinic thinking. There were many "flavors" of Judaism at the time, and Paul very much fit's comfortably in the meme of Jewish thought of the time.
Where do you even get anything of what you are saying, or is all this personal belief that has no foundation in history, textual criticism, biblical and historical history or... basically it sounds like you are pulling what you are saying out of your ASS.
I can't say it any clearer.
Thank for that, Walter. Once again, your command of the facts astounds and humbles me, and your take-no-BS attitude inspires me.
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freetoken Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:50:43pm |
re: #302 Irenicum
It's such a tough nut to crack... that is, when discussing with someone who is strongly devoted to following one sect's beliefs to get them to accept that the doctrines to which they hold so dearly are just one set out of a very large universe of possibilities.
That's been my experience with many die-hard followers of the pop "dispensationalists" (e.g., Hal Lindsey).
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:51:20pm |
I have a very simple and very basic faith, it is built around Jesus and his teachings. Not what Paul liked or didn't, not what the church likes or doesn't, not the rules written in Leviticus for Jews to follow to keep their civilization essentially jewish when I am a Gentile.
I believe because I chose to no matter the evidence or the skepticism I am subjected to, it is called "faith." I believe because I want to believe, and your wasting your time trying to change my mind.
That said I am also not your typical evangelical Christian who believes implicitly in a book written by and heavily edited by men. While not having any understanding of it's history or how the different versions came to be published as they are. I do not hate or fear those that do not believe as I do, nor am I out to overtly convert anyone.
Jesus said that we were to do that by our example, by showing love, by showing that our lives had meaning and purpose, by showing that we had an inner peace that others would want to find. We are supposed to live our lives as he tried to teach us, if we do then others will want to know what it is we "have" that they do not.
How you square that with the modern politicized church I simply don't know anymore, I have read a thousand times here how the church has hurt the GOP, how about how much worse the GOP has hurt the church?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:51:47pm |
re: #310 Dark_Falcon
Thank for that, Walter. Once again, your command of the facts astounds and humbles me, and your take-no-BS attitude inspires me.
Thanks, I actually need to apologize for the no-bs attitude, er, but normally after I do it. Come on, I'm cute... :)
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:53:07pm |
re: #308 Walter L. Newton
My area of research is what happens when a "theology" goes public. What happens when it is popularized and then people, including public officials, base their actions on that understanding. I've lived in the evangelical subculture for many years and have seen this stuff up close and personal. It may seem arcane to non-theology types and look like ivory tower nonsense, but it has real-world consequences that can be either beneficial or terribly destructive. I believe in God, but I also believe in a better world in the here and now. That's why this is important to me.
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freetoken Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:54:23pm |
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Petero1818 Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:56:51pm |
re: #26 Conservative Moonbat
IMHO it sounds like the real point of failure wasn't at the airport. There's only so much that can be done there. The failure to follow up on the father's warning is a greater fuckup. If a father is willing to turn in his own son you know things have to be pretty serious.
Agreed. Many of us having been saying for years, that to really have an impact, we need muslims themselves willing to speak up and turn their fellow muslims in where appropriate. In this case, we have a father, willing to inform on his son (likely in the hope that he is saving his son's life in doing so) and obviously too little is done about it. It is a shame, and is the kind of thing that may prevent others from doing the same.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:56:54pm |
re: #301 Walter L. Newton
And where do you get your superior knowledge of the validity of which books Paul may have penned compared to which books he certainly didn't pen and which books are debatable as to if he penned them
And what do you really know about Paul's writing, any of it, as it compares to Jewish thought in the first century CE? Textual critics (you know that's like science) find many of Paul's arguments and exposition very much in keeping with early Rabbinic thinking. There were many "flavors" of Judaism at the time, and Paul very much fit's comfortably in the meme of Jewish thought of the time.
Where do you even get anything of what you are saying, or is all this personal belief that has no foundation in history, textual criticism, biblical and historical history or... basically it sounds like you are pulling what you are saying out of your ASS.
I can't say it any clearer.
Walter you can climb down off that high atheist horse now, I have spent over thirty years reading every source possible, I am not a closeted narrow minded Christian. You have yet to say a single thing of which I am un-aware or cognizant of, I am not your typical Christian idiot that you seem to like to talk down to and dismiss as poorly educated in history and theology.
Your making an ass out of yourself by being a dismissive ass who asumes that I am an Idiot. I assure you that I am not, even though I am not an "enlightened atheist" like yourself.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 10:57:03pm |
re: #312 ausador
I have a very simple and very basic faith, it is built around Jesus and his teachings. Not what Paul liked or didn't, not what the church likes or doesn't, not the rules written in Leviticus for Jews to follow to keep their civilization essentially jewish when I am a Gentile.
I believe because I chose to no matter the evidence or the skepticism I am subjected to, it is called "faith." I believe because I want to believe, and your wasting your time trying to change my mind.
That said I am also not your typical evangelical Christian who believes implicitly in a book written by and heavily edited by men. While not having any understanding of it's history or how the different versions came to be published as they are. I do not hate or fear those that do not believe as I do, nor am I out to overtly convert anyone.
Jesus said that we were to do that by our example, by showing love, by showing that our lives had meaning and purpose, by showing that we had an inner peace that others would want to find. We are supposed to live our lives as he tried to teach us, if we do then others will want to know what it is we "have" that they do not.
How you square that with the modern politicized church I simply don't know anymore, I have read a thousand times here how the church has hurt the GOP, how about how much worse the GOP has hurt the church?
Well, I can't argue with someone who admits that they know nothing about what they are talking about, have no desire to discover the wonderful history of how his/her faith developed and will actually put up a wall of blindness to honest instruction that other individuals proffer freely to him/her.
It takes a very close-minded and secure person to take that stand. Sort of like a radical Islamist or right-wing Identity Christian. Bravo.
(major sarcasm).
P.S.
By the way, most of the words of "Paul" are a 100 times more authentic than the "words" of Jesus are, that's indisputable fact.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 11:01:23pm |
re: #315 freetoken
Savoring the moment.
I've been an atheist all my life. I have studied over 50 Christian sects in this country, first hand, on my own, in an effort to understand certain things... and have a rather good knowledge of other major religions.
You may consider the statement above as the answer to you comment.
You've got some real fucking nerve thinking that you can read my mind.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 11:05:34pm |
re: #317 ausador
Walter you can climb down off that high atheist horse now, I have spent over thirty years reading every source possible, I am not a closeted narrow minded Christian. You have yet to say a single thing of which I am un-aware or cognizant of, I am not your typical Christian idiot that you seem to like to talk down to and dismiss as poorly educated in history and theology.
Your making an ass out of yourself by being a dismissive ass who asumes that I am an Idiot. I assure you that I am not, even though I am not an "enlightened atheist" like yourself.
Thank you for the compliment. No one has ever called me an enlightened atheist.
And it may behoove you to not make statements on a blog, a blog where the common model is "you comment, I comment, you reply" and so on, if you can't back up your statements with facts, links, opinions etc. Saying some of the things you have said above and not being able to even explain the reasons behind one single of those statements makes you look silly.
I'm not denying you faith or your beliefs, but it's not uncommon when someone makes statements like you have above, that they have some basis for the statements.
You have had none.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 26, 2009 11:11:28pm |
re: #319 Walter L. Newton
I've been an atheist all my life. I have studied over 50 Christian sects in this country, first hand, on my own, in an effort to understand certain things... and have a rather good knowledge of other major religions.
You may consider the statement above as the answer to you comment.
You've got some real fucking nerve thinking that you can read my mind.
Walter, no one can read your mind. As a result, when you say things like 'when I was a Jehovah's Witness', it is not insane to think that you mean that you were a Jehovah's Witness. Rather than that you were living among Jehovah's Witnesses doing research or whatever.
Guys, can we tone this down, just, like two notches? I'm hangin' around because theology interests me (Judaism really has nothing like this), but the atmosphere is toxic.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Dec 26, 2009 11:12:54pm |
re: #318 Walter L. Newton
Well, I can't argue with someone who admits that they know nothing about what they are talking about, have no desire to discover the wonderful history of how his/her faith developed and will actually put up a wall of blindness to honest instruction that other individuals proffer freely to him/her.
It takes a very close-minded and secure person to take that stand. Sort of like a radical Islamist or right-wing Identity Christian. Bravo.
(major sarcasm).
P.S.
By the way, most of the words of "Paul" are a 100 times more authentic than the "words" of Jesus are, that's indisputable fact.
Bravo Walter, way to show what a completely illiterate ass you are who is incapable of understanding the thoughts of anyone but yourself. You should strive to increase your reading comprehension abilities, it would help you a great deal.
Your just dismissive of me because I say I have faith and I suppose that nothing will really change that. Not my age, not my education, not my long proffessional career, not my studies of theological history. You will continue to assume that I do not know what I am talking about and continue to berate me for my (supposed by you) lack of knowledge.
I was an idiot in your eyes the minute I said I was a Christian and nothing else I could ever say will make you think any differently. Thats ok, I've met and talked to thousands of other narrow minded people just like you in my lifetime, it isn't new to me.
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 11:13:14pm |
re: #318 Walter L. Newton
The undisputed letters of Paul are arguably the best attested documents of the late first century CE than anything else we have. These circular letters are attested by early church fathers as early as the 2nd century. The gospel accounts were mostly written much later than any of Paul's writings. Mark may have been around the same time, but Luke and John were clearly later, even attested by early church fathers. Matthew is still disputed as to when it was written. I lean towards an early date. But to argue Paul as being as late as ausador has is simply ludicrous. By the way, Paul had many things to say that were pretty enlightened for the time concerning the issues you mentioned ausador. On this point, Walter is right. And again I say this as a Christian who disagrees deeply with his atheism.
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 11:15:52pm |
re: #322 ausador
ausador, I commend your faith in Jesus. But you're arguing a position that's not defensible. That's what's being disputed here. And I agree with Sanfranciscozionist, the tone has become toxic. We need to respect each other here.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 11:16:37pm |
re: #324 Irenicum
ausador, I commend your faith in Jesus. But you're arguing a position that's not defensible. That's what's being disputed here. And I agree with Sanfranciscozionist, the tone has become toxic. We need to respect each other here.
And I am the first to say I'm sorry.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Dec 26, 2009 11:24:25pm |
re: #323 Irenicum
The undisputed letters of Paul are arguably the best attested documents of the late first century CE than anything else we have. These circular letters are attested by early church fathers as early as the 2nd century. The gospel accounts were mostly written much later than any of Paul's writings. Mark may have been around the same time, but Luke and John were clearly later, even attested by early church fathers. Matthew is still disputed as to when it was written. I lean towards an early date. But to argue Paul as being as late as ausador has is simply ludicrous. By the way, Paul had many things to say that were pretty enlightened for the time concerning the issues you mentioned ausador. On this point, Walter is right. And again I say this as a Christian who disagrees deeply with his atheism.
Almost all believing Lizards here will agree that I never deny anyones faith or belief, even though I freely cop to being an atheist.
But, if you want to defend your faith with incorrect theology, doctrine, or history of your faith, I have no problem, nor do I feel there is anything wrong with pointing out to someone the scholarly facts. The last 2000 years of Christian history is full of wonderful studies of the faith and how it came to be, and it's the misinformation that many "pew sitters" spew that actually damages the faith and causes many of the evils that religion has spurned over the decades.
So, where as I don't take anyones faith lightly, I will not suffer the fallacies that so often diminish the faith.
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Irenicum Sat, Dec 26, 2009 11:32:39pm |
re: #326 Walter L. Newton
Agreed Walter. On that we share a common ground. As a Christian, I want to argue my faith faithfully. And that means I must acknowledge the honest scholarship out there and not second hand tales that only confirm my ideological biases. As someone who straddles the liberal/conservative divide, I've seen how easy it is to let my temperament shape my "facts" so that they reconfirm what I already want to believe. We may not share a common faith, but it seems we share a common desire for honesty. I'm very grateful for that. It's late and I need to get up for church! Good night and be well Walter!
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Dec 26, 2009 11:47:42pm |
re: #323 Irenicum
The undisputed letters of Paul are arguably the best attested documents of the late first century CE than anything else we have. These circular letters are attested by early church fathers as early as the 2nd century. The gospel accounts were mostly written much later than any of Paul's writings. Mark may have been around the same time, but Luke and John were clearly later, even attested by early church fathers. Matthew is still disputed as to when it was written. I lean towards an early date. But to argue Paul as being as late as ausador has is simply ludicrous. By the way, Paul had many things to say that were pretty enlightened for the time concerning the issues you mentioned ausador. On this point, Walter is right. And again I say this as a Christian who disagrees deeply with his atheism.
I do not in any way dispute that Paul was real, or that he was perhaps the person most responsible for the founding of the early orthodox (and slightly later roman catholic) church. However at minimum three of "his" testaments in the bible are complete fakes and date from much later than his original writings.
His writings have been used extensively to justify the worst acts of the church and continue to be used in that way. Exactly why should I believe anything that Paul supposedly said especially when it conflicts with the teachings of Jesus himself? Paul's writings vastly increased the scope of the "teachings" (rulings) of the Christian church, many of them seemingly intended to find a common ground and perhaps converts from Judaism. I do not and never have found Paul to be a credible source, maybe that is because I find his theology distasteful, maybe because I see the rational conflicts it creates when compared to the rest of the New testament, maybe because I am un-informed and irrational.
I have gone from being a Methodist to a evangelical to an atheist to a rabid anti-theist to an agonostic and then back to being Christian again over the course of my life. Only this time I am Christian on my own terms, not the creationist fairy-tale in genesis, and not the more hateful writings of Paul. Thomas Jefferson cut out all the "fanciful" parts of the bible he didn't like, I'm just following in his footsteps *cough*...
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 11:51:33pm |
re: #281 ryannon
They can be redeemed at the same place that you send your S&H Green Stamps and Raleigh Cigarette Coupons .
[Link: www.ericjackson.com...]
In the LGF catalog I have, 5,000 points gets you an autographed photo of Space Jesus.
But, Do I really WANT one of those?
Hmmmm....
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 26, 2009 11:55:11pm |
OK, and your god is absolutely as good as my god.
And vice versa.
Folks, we're NOT going to solve the problems of the world on a blog.
I mean, we can try, but...
Seriously!
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sun, Dec 27, 2009 12:15:05am |
re: #330 Floral Giraffe
OK, and your god is absolutely as Omnipotent as my god.
And vice versa.
Folks, we're NOT going to solve the problems of the world on a blog.
I mean, we can try, but...
Seriously!
FTFY? :p
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Sacred Plants Sun, Dec 27, 2009 4:23:00am |
A jihadi terrorist in an airplane is a binary as well. It does require deceptive technology mixed together with suicidal intent, and can only go off with both available. I disagree that the technology was the component equalling the weakest link in the chain. The human intent is.
The knowledge how to smuggle, both by using common everyday items and by fooling behavior detection routines should be as widespread as possible, for it is useful not only to succeed against criminal government but against non-governmental crime as well. It is not the individual passenger who is dangerous, rather it is the tyranny that must be broken before it has monopolized global air traffic logistics under its rule in a megahub in the center of the Old World. Its prospective heirs wouldn´t attempt to detonate themselves in airplanes if they didn´t see it coming that such a development cannot play out well.
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S.D. Sun, Dec 27, 2009 4:42:08am |
...
Unbelievable. Do they really need to make it easier for people?
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 7:08:25am |
re: #334 USATC
re: #335 mr.JA
I think the two of you are missing the point. Obviously there are much worse bomb making videos online, but that doesn't mean any of them should be posted on a mainstream website. Posting bomb making videos is the sort of thing an extremist site would do, so do you really think it's the sort of thing that hot air should be mainstreaming? Videos you could find on nazi forums?
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 7:19:40am |
re: #338 airforcemom
Apparently you and 'USATC' think standing up for decency should be a partisan position? If you two have a problem with intellectual honesty and consistency, then this is likely not the blog for you.
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dugmartsch Sun, Dec 27, 2009 7:33:33am |
re: #335 mr.JA
You can blow up a watermelon with one of those snap firecrackers you throw on the ground that go pop. Not particularly impressive. If you want to blow up more solidified material (metal, wood) you need a lot more explosive than that.
Also I don't get this nontroversy. The video doesn't tell you how to blow anything up. It's blatant fear-mongering, which i'm no fan of, but not a how-to guide for jihadists on how to make explosives. They do worse stuff on mythbusters.
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mr.JA Sun, Dec 27, 2009 7:35:32am |
re: #337 Sharmuta
re: #335 mr.JA
I think the two of you are missing the point. Obviously there are much worse bomb making videos online, but that doesn't mean any of them should be posted on a mainstream website. Posting bomb making videos is the sort of thing an extremist site would do, so do you really think it's the sort of thing that hot air should be mainstreaming? Videos you could find on nazi forums?
Sorry, but you are missing the point.
I'm saying that the video is fake, and that we shouldn't be so scared. If many people see this video, they'll be (rightfully) scared - which is completely unnecessary.
You need to know what explosives can do before you should be scared of them, and this amount of explosive isn't going to do anything more than a fire cracker.
It'll just be used to make flying an even less enjoyable experience, which is something I'm trying to prevent by debunking that a very tiny explosive can vaporize a water melon...
THAT is my point.
Anyone who wants to make explosive, will find a way anyway. Chemistry textbooks aren't banned yet, and all the basics are in there.
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mr.JA Sun, Dec 27, 2009 7:37:10am |
re: #340 dugmartsch
You can blow up a watermelon with one of those snap firecrackers you throw on the ground that go pop. Not particularly impressive. If you want to blow up more solidified material (metal, wood) you need a lot more explosive than that.
Also I don't get this nontroversy. The video doesn't tell you how to blow anything up. It's blatant fear-mongering, which i'm no fan of, but not a how-to guide for jihadists on how to make explosives. They do worse stuff on mythbusters.
You can maybe blow one up if you collect many of those, put them inside the water melon and let them go - I'm willing to believe that.
However, throwing one at a water melon is hardly going to do anything to the water melon...
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 7:42:46am |
re: #341 mr.JA
Anyone who wants to make explosive, will find a way anyway.
Exactly- so why is hot air making it easier? And perhaps you should alert Ed that the video he posted is fake, since he seems to be under the impression it's quite real, and this post at LGF is about Ed posting the video, not whether the video is real or not.
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mr.JA Sun, Dec 27, 2009 7:47:58am |
re: #343 Sharmuta
Exactly- so why is hot air making it easier? And perhaps you should alert Ed that the video he posted is fake, since he seems to be under the impression it's quite real, and this post at LGF is about Ed posting the video, not whether the video is real or not.
Erm, hot air isn't making anything easier, 'cause from this video there are no instructions or chemicals or amounts or whatsoever. Only some (probably made-up) properties, nothing more.
I've left a comment at breitbart, and will send an email to Ed.
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mr.JA Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:03:14am |
re: #344 mr.JA
I've left a comment at breitbart, and will send an email to Ed.
I just saw that breitbart pulled my comment, apparently they're more into scaring people than in a rational argument...
Why am I not surprised...
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:05:09am |
re: #346 airforcemom
I didn't claim to have "vast intellectual honesty", but your hostility is duly noted. My guess is if this video was posted at DKos, you'd pitch a fit, but it's at hot air, so you'd rather bitch about Charles linking to them than hot air posting it in the first place, which, of course, if they hadn't done, Charles wouldn't have needed to link to them. You're more angry at Charles than Ed or Andrew. Why?
The link is there, in my estimation, as proof of what Charles' title says- that hot air has indeed posted bomb making instructions. I would think Charles might consider adding a screen shot as proof instead of a link if you'd made your point in a less hostile way, but since you're being bitchy about it, I don't know.
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:07:56am |
re: #347 mr.JA
I just saw that breitbart pulled my comment, apparently they're more into scaring people than in a rational argument...
Why am I not surprised...
Well- that's fascinating! Really- speaks volumes.
And maybe that's the point right there for you- that these folks on the "right" are not interested in rational discussion, but you keep on bitching at Charles for pointing out what they're doing.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:13:40am |
re: #350 airforcemom
I'm not "angry" at Charles, Ed, or Andrew. I am disgusted by Charles' hypocrisy and your blind acceptance of it.
So, making a valid point at LGF is being "bitchy"? It looks to me that I touched a nerve with you. You're really quite sensitive, aren't you?
Charles could have mentioned the video without actually linking to it if he had chosen; since he didn't, I feel sure he meant to link to the video for no other reason than to get you little groupies all "wee-wee'd up".
If pointing out hypocrisy is being "bitchy" at LGF, then color me "bitchy".
Charles did not link to the video.
He linked to the hotair post, and noted that the video was there.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:14:32am |
re: #348 Sharmuta
Airforcemommy does seem to be unnecessariy nit-picking, doesn't she? It does beg the question what her real issue is with the post. You may have already smacked the nail upon the head.
Just wondering, is it raining, snowing or just plain chilly in your part of the world?
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mr.JA Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:18:44am |
re: #349 Sharmuta
Well- that's fascinating! Really- speaks volumes.
And maybe that's the point right there for you- that these folks on the "right" are not interested in rational discussion, but you keep on bitching at Charles for pointing out what they're doing.
Dear Sharmuta, I'm not bitching at anyone other than the makers of the video - I don't know at who the second bit of your post was directed at...
You taking to a kinda liberal-left Dutchman, so there's no need to warn me about right loonies... ;)
How much I disagree about the postings of this video, do I also not really subscribe to your and Charles' view that it is an instructional video. It isn't, it is a piece of crap with no information in it. Even in the comments at liveleak there is no information whatsoever about the substances needed to make the 'explosive'...
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:19:08am |
re: #351 reine.de.tout
Charles did not link to the video.
He linked to the hotair post, and noted that the video was there.
?
Airforcemom downdinged this completely factual post.
Perhaps airforcemom is just upset that HotAir is being called out for posting a video showing how to make a bomb and hide it.
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:19:47am |
re: #350 airforcemom
How is Charles being a hypocrite? Has LGF ever posted a bomb making video? Has Charles ever suggested posting such a thing was acceptable? He states up-thread that if any registered member posted such a video, they would be banned and the comment deleted, so how exactly is Charles a hypocrite for pointing out who is posting this video on their web sites?
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:21:10am |
re: #355 airforcemom
A linky is a linky, precious.
re: #352 eclectic infidel
Ah...you say I am "nit-picking" but do not say I don't make a valid point. Interesting.
It's actually quite sunny where I am! Thanks for asking!
well, hon, I'm not your precious.
Charles did not link to the video as you claimed.
He linked to a HotAir post where HotAir posted the video.
It's a very simple fact.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:22:50am |
re: #352 eclectic infidel
unnecessariy = unnecessarily
pimp
it's still somewhat early for me given the revelry last night.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:24:42am |
The video is dangerous not because it demonstrates how to make a bomb. It's dangerous because it shows a method to create and conceal a bomb detonator in a pen.
JA, I think you are missing the maker of the video's intent here.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:26:16am |
re: #355 airforcemom
Ok, I'll play. You didn't make a valid point. Charles did not link to the video, he linked to the post on Hot Air.
Would you have preferred that he linked to the cache of the Hot Air post, rather than the post itself?
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:31:19am |
re: #362 airforcemom
So you are ok with Ed posting a vid demonstrating a technique to create and conceal an effective bomb detonator, but not ok with Charles calling Ed out on it. I get it.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:33:35am |
re: #361 mioilman
In recent history, Hot Air has gone off the rails with its glorification of right-wing ideology. LGF has made note of this again and again. Given the tone of your rambling post, perhaps Hot Air is more suitable to your own ideology.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:33:52am |
Just to point out the obvious since some folks are not getting this: had there been an effective detonator for the underwear bomb, such as the one posted in Ed's video, the passengers on that plane would not have heard a "pop" and would not be here today.
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mr.JA Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:35:40am |
re: #359 Thanos
The video is dangerous not because it demonstrates how to make a bomb. It's dangerous because it shows a method to create and conceal a bomb detonator in a pen.
JA, I think you are missing the maker of the video's intent here.
If that is 'dangerous' information, then I guess that everyone with 2 working braincells is a danger to the state. Everyone with even the faintest idea about mechanics would have come up with the idea...
Sorry mate, but you're trying to see something that isn't there, and the point you make is certainly not the point of the video... I respectfully disagree with your conclusion.
i think the intent of the video is to scare people, nothing else.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:38:35am |
re: #366 mr.JA
I agree with you that it's easy to make an effective bomb, and that people with knowledge can do so. I don't agree that spreading this information around somehow lessens the potential. There are a lot of stupid people in the world who are malicious, some information doesn't have to be easy to gain. Publicizing it makes it easier to gain.
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:40:22am |
re: #362 airforcemom
You're using an impossible standard. So- should Charles have never linked to the anti-Semitic diaries at DKos? You have also left no room for context in your standard. The video was posted at hot air to scare people, while Charles linked to hot air to criticize the article where the video was posted. The DKos diaries were posted to spread anti-Semitism, but were linked at LGF to criticize what it was DKos was allowing at their site. The way you make it sound, it's as thought Charles' link in and of itself is an endorsement simply because it's there, and the rest of Charles' words in his article mean nothing. The link doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is clear from the context that Charles is pointing out what the right-wing blogosphere has sunk to and it's not good.
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elizajane Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:44:04am |
Morrissey's point over at Hot Air is that our security measures are insufficient and we should imitate Israel's method of interviewing every passenger and pulling them out if they appear nervous or muslim or anything like that. I wanted to mention that I flew out of Amsterdam-Schiphol two weeks ago, on a Northwest/KLM/Delta flight to the USA like the one this terrorist attack happened on. And in fact every passenger was interviewed at the gate, pretty extensively. As far as I can recall, this was also done when I flew out of Amsterdam in the spring. So Amsterdam airport already uses this form of security and clearly it did not catch a quiet, well-spoken, middle-class terrorist.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:44:25am |
re: #369 Sharmuta
Well said Sharmuta, but I suspect this post is lost on airforcemom, and the 'recovering liberal', Jeff.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:46:54am |
re: #372 airforcemom
So if you think Charles is a hypocrite, why are you reading his blog or bothering to comment on it? Isn't that hypocritical?
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:50:03am |
re: #375 mioilman
You and the "right wing nihilosphere" have an over-rating opinion of yourselves.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:53:28am |
re: #377 airforcemom
How many times has the video been viewed as a result of his link above? He's merely giving it more air time. How can he, in good conscience, allow this to happen if the video really is "bad"?
What is your opinion of HotAir's posting of that video?
Good or bad?
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:53:39am |
re: #377 airforcemom
How can Charles, in good conscience, not point out what he thinks is wrong?
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:54:12am |
re: #377 airforcemom
Maybe he's hoping Ed will be shamed into taking the video that demonstrates terror bomb making techniques down.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:55:41am |
But of Course AFmom isn't over at Hot air telling Ed to take down the video, she's over here calling Charles names.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:56:08am |
re: #381 airforcemom
So why are you posting here instead of at HA to ask Ed to take it down?
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:56:40am |
You are just an Ed apologist, we get it.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:58:53am |
re: #382 Thanos
But of Course AFmom isn't over at Hot air telling Ed to take down the video, she's over here calling Charles names.
Egg-zackly.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:58:55am |
re: #381 airforcemom
You have not been banned. LGF thrives on disagreement but your comments don't exist in a vacuum either.
Do a search for "hot air" and take a gander at what Ed M. allows on the Hot Air blog. Specifically, the rabid, right-wing commentary.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 8:58:56am |
re: #385 mioilman
You forgot the part where the rave mindlessly.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:00:28am |
re: #381 airforcemom
How is it hypocritical to comment on his blog posts? Unless you mean that since I disagree with his post I should just go away?
I get it. Disagreement is not welcome here.
At least Ed allows that!
Looks to me like you are here, and looks to me like you are disagreeing. The problem seems to be that you don't like that others are disagreeing with you.
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mr.JA Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:00:53am |
Hmm, my posts with arguments about why the video is fake seems to be deleted - I guess it was because of the youtube links, although there were (AFAIK) no instructions whatsoever in those video's.
Anyway, there is seriously no way in hell that this small amount of explosives can do so much damage to a water melon. The video is a scare mongering thing - I really do not know why the makers made it, apart from scaring us...
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:02:00am |
re: #390 mr.JA
To demonstrate how to make and conceal an effective detonator and to scare - one intent concealed in the other.
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:02:24am |
re: #381 airforcemom
Disagreement is not welcome here.
What utter hogwash! Around here, everyone's comments have the potential to be met with resistance, and we all have to stand by our words or swallow them. Seems you are incapable of taking heat in the kitchen. LGF is still a tough room, so if you can't handle that, this might not be the blog for you.
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:06:13am |
re: #395 airforcemom
As long as I get to disagree as well.
You already have been. You also whine when the rest of us disagree with you. And you move goal posts.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:06:27am |
re: #395 airforcemom
I don't mind you disagreeing with me at all. As long as I get to disagree as well.
Yes. You can disagree. We have all witnessed this. Ad nauseum. You are not being victimized here for holding a different view.
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:06:48am |
re: #397 airforcemom
Why would I tell Ed to take down that video?
Why would you tell Charles to take down his link to hot air?
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:10:01am |
re: #404 airforcemom
We don't believe you.
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:10:59am |
re: #402 mioilman
No- you started it in #361 with your obfuscation of the issue. This isn't about the msm, or hot air's supposed "mission" to be a counter-weight to them. Your "Look over there! Liberals!" defense doesn't work.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:11:54am |
re: #407 airforcemom
Again, if you think Charles is such a big hypocrite, why are you still here?
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Blueheron Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:12:02am |
re: #28 reine.de.tout
If the other parts of the report at HotAir are true, one of the TSA's new moves will be to require people to be seated in their seats for the last hour of the flight.
If that's true, then if there is a future incident, passengers will not be able to respond.
Does that make sense to anyone?
Outstanding point Reine but I promise you if something suspicous is going on people will leave their seats immediately. The rules can go hang.
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Vambo Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:14:28am |
re: #361 mioilman
Saran Palin defense... check
"liberal media"... check
communist conspiracy... check
climate change denialism... check
Well you seem to have covered everything... oh wait! what are your thoughts on the CFR, France, Planned Parenthood and state's rights?
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:15:21am |
re: #411 airforcemom
I think you are a hot air apologist, here because your sacred cow was gored seriously.
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Blueheron Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:16:51am |
re: #36 reine.de.tout
I agree.
So . . .why have it?
For the same reasons I have to take off my rubber flip flops at security. Makes us all feel safe doncha know./
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:17:23am |
re: #411 airforcemom
How is he being a hypocrite if he's linked to other ugly, over-the-top blog postings in the past? Some of us would say that's consistent on his part to continue to point out what he thinks is wrong on the part of other bloggers, and include a link so everyone can see for themselves just how ugly it is.
Fascinating you have such a problem with Charles doing this.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:18:20am |
re: #407 airforcemom
I don't believe I have whined at all. I believe I have pointed out some hypocrisy by Charles. That is all.
Whining:
re: #381 airforcemom
How is it hypocritical to comment on his blog posts? Unless you mean that since I disagree with his post I should just go away?
I get it. Disagreement is not welcome here.
At least Ed allows that!
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:19:27am |
I'd love to stay, Folks, but chores beckon. Have a great day, Everyone.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:19:51am |
re: #410 mioilman
Life provides this little thing called wisdom.
Unfortunately for everyone here Jeff, you haven't demonstrated any wisdom whatsoever. None.
You've been happily trolling LGF since 2008, right?
Yet still you think in terms of black and white? When you do that, you remain in the dark.
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:20:40am |
re: #418 mioilman
The document they never covered in democrat controlled public school.
Oh, Puh-lease!
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:20:54am |
re: #411 airforcemom
To point out his hypocrisy, of course. None of you groupies will.
Shall we call you a "hotair" groupie because you agree with HotAir instead of LGF?
You are whining again. Perhaps we simply agree with Charles' take on this. This "groupie" business is lame. You obviously mean it to be an insult.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:21:46am |
re: #415 Sharmuta
How is he being a hypocrite if he's linked to other ugly, over-the-top blog postings in the past? Some of us would say that's consistent on his part to continue to point out what he thinks is wrong on the part of other bloggers, and include a link so everyone can see for themselves just how ugly it is.
Fascinating you have such a problem with Charles doing this.
While simultaneously not having a problem with HotAir posting the thing in the first place.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:25:21am |
re: #425 airforcemom
You weren't told to leave, you were asked why you are here trying to apologize for Ed.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:25:42am |
re: #425 airforcemom
Pointing out that I was told to leave LGF if I disagree with Charles is whining? You don't have children, do you?
I didn't see that you were told to leave. Thanos asked why you bothered.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:26:13am |
re: #427 airforcemom
What other bloggers besides Charles point out what they think is wrong with other bloggers?
Too damnably few.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:27:16am |
re: #429 airforcemom
I'm not.
Sorry but you are as transparent as a cat fart, everyone reading knows what you are up to.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:28:31am |
re: #432 airforcemom
Who said I agree with HA?
I assumed it, since you are not at HA asking them to remove the video, but instead are over here complaining about Charles linking to the HA post where they posted the video.
So - I'll ask my question again:
What do you think about the video being posted at HA?
Agree with the posting, or not?
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:29:30am |
re: #435 airforcemom
Why is it the responsibility of a blogger to point out where they disagree with another blogger?
Why is it the responsible thing to do to point out wrong when you see it?
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:32:54am |
re: #435 airforcemom
This is Charles' blog, he can post whatever he wants. Would you please just accept that and move on?
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Blueheron Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:33:16am |
re: #96 albusteve
that's cool...Old Mexico is a fascinating country with a very rich and exciting history and culture...too bad it is so difficult to get into the interior and nose around...at present it is a VERY dangerous place to visit...so the next best thing is to come down to NM...lot's of tacos and beer amigo
Upding for tacos and beer.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:35:47am |
re: #439 airforcemom
I'll give my answer again. I don't give a hoot about that video. It's stupid and it doesn't scare me. My son can find much scarier things than that in less than a minute of searching on the web.
This is, quite frankly, much ado about nothing. It is a nonstory.
If it's a non-story, may I ask why, then, did you feel it was necessary to come here and complain about Charles' post?
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:37:09am |
Ed posts a video demonstrating a detonator construction and concealment technique, the type of detonator that might have made the underwear bomb fully functional and some choose to criticize that.
Others choose to criticize the critics -- some people have their priorities way out of whack.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:39:12am |
re: #442 airforcemom
Yes, and you can call Charles a hypocrite, and we can question your motives.
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Mark Pennington Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:40:06am |
re: #432 airforcemom
Who said I agree with HA?
You always agree with HotAir. You're a member there and I've seen your comments before. You fit in well there and even use their lingo.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:41:23am |
re: #445 mioilman
Cronkite's dead, the Birchers are still bastards, and it's a new century. Get a new riff.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:42:00am |
re: #445 mioilman
. . .
rdt, because it's still almost a free country and Hotair is not as people with their heads stuck up Walter Cronkites arse portray it.
"Beware the sound of one hand clapping."
My name is Jeff and I'm a recovering liberal.
Eh?
You don't agree with something I've said (or others here have said), so it can't be that we disagree, it must be that we have our heads stuck up somebody's 'arse"?
What?
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:42:22am |
re: #446 airforcemom
Yes, I point out where people are wrong and disingenuous. Including you.
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:43:25am |
airforce mommy and jeff the recovering jerk are in their own worlds, folks. I am done with these two twits.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:43:43am |
re: #452 eclectic infidel
airforce mommy and jeff the recovering jerk are in their own worlds, folks. I am done with these two twits.
et moi, aussi.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:44:32am |
re: #451 airforcemom
A blogger can post whatever they like, and others can point out where they are wrong, stupid, lieing, or otherwise insane. What's your point?
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:44:32am |
re: #447 beekiller
You always agree with HotAir. You're a member there and I've seen your comments before. You fit in well there and even use their lingo.
Ah, finally some light has been shed. Thank you beekiller.
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Mark Pennington Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:46:27am |
re: #454 airforcemom
You've seen my comments before? Where? Here or HA?
Certainly not here. One of the things I love about LGF...the members are too intelligent to use such moronic terms as libtard, rethuglican or Gorebal Warming etc.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:46:46am |
I love how they are trying to change the subject from Ed Morrissey and Hot Air's malfeasance to global warming. Apparently they can't take heat very well.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:46:50am |
re: #446 airforcemom
So, do you criticize those who debunk man caused Gorebal Warming?
We criticize them because they do not in fact debunk AGW. All they do is distribute misleading talking points and deliberate misreads of other people's data.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:48:55am |
re: #459 Thanos
I love how they are trying to change the subject from Ed Morrissey and Hot Air's malfeasance to global warming. Apparently they can't take heat very well.
If they're going to Global Warming, we'll give 'em heat aplenty. mioilman, airforcemom, bring on your "debunking". We are ready.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:50:35am |
re: #461 airforcemom
No, I want you to recognize that Ed's posted a video that demonstrates an effective technique to build and conceal a bomb detonator for the next underwear bomber. You don't seem too concerned about that, having stated it many times. I suspect the passengers on that Northwest flight might disagree with you however.
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Blueheron Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:52:58am |
re: #321 SanFranciscoZionist
Walter, no one can read your mind. As a result, when you say things like 'when I was a Jehovah's Witness', it is not insane to think that you mean that you were a Jehovah's Witness. Rather than that you were living among Jehovah's Witnesses doing research or whatever.
Guys, can we tone this down, just, like two notches? I'm hangin' around because theology interests me (Judaism really has nothing like this), but the atmosphere is toxic.
Oh my goodness what do you mean by that?
For instance theTalmud is the longest running,documented theological argument in history. You know that. Besides as everyone knows whee you find two Jews you will get three opinions:)
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:55:23am |
re: #464 airforcemom
Not at all, it's scurrilous that Ed posted that.
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Blueheron Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:55:43am |
re: #325 Walter L. Newton
And I am the first to say I'm sorry.
Good. You two could be interesting if you begin by respecting each other.
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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:57:20am |
re: #465 airforcemom
Right, and just in case he didn't see it Ed posted it.
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Gus Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:58:17am |
re: #451 airforcemom
Why would you question my motives when they are perfectly clear...I simply wanted someone to point out that a blogger can post whatever they want on their own blog.
I would not ask Charles to remove his link anymore than I would ask Ed to remove the video. They both have the right to post them.
No where in the article does Charles suggest that Ed Morrissey take down the IED instructional video. However, you are not entitled to determine what or what is not posted by Charles at this blog.
Charles can post what he sees fit, and Morrissey can post what he sees fit. We are free to criticize the latter. The authority here at LGF is Charles. Not you, not me. If you are not happy with what's going on here than I suggest you leave.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:02:24am |
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Charles Johnson Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:04:08am |
Two more idiots bite the dust. And four hate mails so far.
People really don't like having it pointed out that Ed Morrissey was incredibly irresponsible to post that video.
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Gus Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:04:12am |
re: #473 reine.de.tout
Thank goodness.
Seriously. I haven't seen so much passive aggressiveness this early in the morning in, maybe never, only occasionally in the late night hours.
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Mark Pennington Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:04:54am |
re: #392 airforcemom
Honestly, I never gave it a second thought until I found out all of you people were in a snit-fit over it.
I put my sister on an airplane just as the news broke of this latest terrorist attack; it hit close to home.
But this video does not scare me. There are far more dangerous things on the internet to view and download.
Such as the comments at HotAir and Free Republic.
Another thing I love about LGF and haven't seen on any other site is...I can co-exist with people who have a very different ideology than I do. For example: Dark Falcon and reine.de.tout . I don't agree with them politically but I respect the hell out of them and enjoy their presence. At HotAir, you have to agree with the sites ideology or you're considered a troll and disrespected.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:04:56am |
re: #470 mioilman
I had planned to respond to the Denier with some links, but happily he has been booted so they are not needed. Have fun, you two trolls. Enjoy the fleas at Hot Air!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:07:24am |
re: #476 beekiller
Such as the comments at HotAir and Free Republic.
Another thing I love about LGF and haven't seen on any other site is...I can co-exist with people who have a very different ideology than I do. For example: Dark Falcon and reine.de.tout . I don't agree with them politically but I respect the hell out of them and enjoy their presence. At HotAir, you have to agree with the sites ideology or you're considered a troll and disrespected.
Thank you for that. Its good to have a place where one can have a civil conversation.
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emcesq Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:10:39am |
A few things come to mind watching this fake video:
1) I find right-wing blogosphere intellectually incapable of spelling "vapourised"
2) melon is on a post with explosive mounted sideways so it gets blown off rather than "vapourised"
3) Explosives in a pen are as old as the darkest cold war days when little chilun were warned of bad evil imperialist dropping pens on the ground so the little young pioneers will get their hands blown off.
4) Even if the little bit was used to blow up a melon, what on earth do you do with 100 times the amount left in the mixing dish - take out a city block? How do you dispose of the stuff
5) video is at least 2 years old
And watching this hysterical religious debate that will not get anybody anywhere is quite disturbing - instead of trying to figure out what to do with the real danger. I personally favor descending to 10,000 feet, opening the aircraft door and kicking the asshole out.
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Mark Pennington Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:11:36am |
re: #478 Dark_Falcon
Thank you for that. Its good to have a place where one can have a civil conversation.
It's true and you're welcome. All the crap said about Charles not allowing a different opinion than his is bullshit. He just does not allow insanity on his site. ;)
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Blueheron Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:11:56am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:20:07am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:21:38am |
re: #479 emcesq
A few things come to mind watching this fake video:
1) I find right-wing blogosphere intellectually incapable of spelling "vapourised"2) melon is on a post with explosive mounted sideways so it gets blown off rather than "vapourised"
3) Explosives in a pen are as old as the darkest cold war days when little chilun were warned of bad evil imperialist dropping pens on the ground so the little young pioneers will get their hands blown off.
4) Even if the little bit was used to blow up a melon, what on earth do you do with 100 times the amount left in the mixing dish - take out a city block? How do you dispose of the stuff
5) video is at least 2 years old
And watching this hysterical religious debate that will not get anybody anywhere is quite disturbing - instead of trying to figure out what to do with the real danger. I personally favor descending to 10,000 feet, opening the aircraft door and kicking the asshole out.
No, killing the terrorist is a bad idea. We need to find out who supplied him with the bomb, and that is easier if he is alive for interrogation. A better idea would be to waterboard him.
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Interesting Times Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:21:52am |
re: #480 beekiller
He just does not allow insanity on his site. ;)
And nothing makes me appreciate that more than occasions where the odd troglodyte does slip through, delivering a not-so-subtle reminder of the kind of discourse polluting the pages of other sites. It's gotten to the point where I can't even read the Comments sections of online newspapers, so infested are they with the sort of deranged, venom-dripping rants that make your brain blister and your eyeballs bleed.
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Blueheron Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:22:48am |
re: #421 airforcemom
You call this a goring? LOL
Ed gets worse attacks on his own blog!!
So go to 'Ed's' site and leave us be.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:24:58am |
re: #486 Blueheron
So go to 'Ed's' site and leave us be.
Charles has sent her there. Now she belongs to loonies and stalkers.
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Semper Fi Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:25:37am |
re: #485 publicityStunted
And nothing makes me appreciate that more than occasions where the odd troglodyte does slip through, delivering a not-so-subtle reminder of the kind of discourse polluting the pages of other sites. It's gotten to the point where I can't even read the Comments sections of online newspapers, so infested are they with the sort of deranged, venom-dripping rants that make your brain blister and your eyeballs bleed.
Well said.
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Blueheron Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:37:45am |
re: #476 beekiller
Such as the comments at HotAir and Free Republic.
Another thing I love about LGF and haven't seen on any other site is...I can co-exist with people who have a very different ideology than I do. For example: Dark Falcon and reine.de.tout . I don't agree with them politically but I respect the hell out of them and enjoy their presence. At HotAir, you have to agree with the sites ideology or you're considered a troll and disrespected.
You are so correct about that. It is fun to debate here but you had better have your facts down first.
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Blueheron Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:40:15am |
re: #482 Charles
Now up to 7 hate mails.
Well it does their wittle hearts good Charles. Block 'em I say.
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Blueheron Sun, Dec 27, 2009 10:42:42am |
re: #487 Dark_Falcon
Charles has sent her there. Now she belongs to loonies and stalkers.
Yes. They sure made a mess out of this thread didn't they? I hate polluters........
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mr.JA Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:14:38am |
re: #344 mr.JA
Erm, hot air isn't making anything easier, 'cause from this video there are no instructions or chemicals or amounts or whatsoever. Only some (probably made-up) properties, nothing more.
I've left a comment at breitbart, and will send an email to Ed.
Just to give an update - my email to Ed, laying out the arguments why the video is fake is now published on the Hot Air website.
As I said above, a similar comment at the Breitbart site was removed.
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mr.JA Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:08:02pm |
re: #492 mr.JA
Just to give an update - my email to Ed, laying out the arguments why the video is fake is now published on the Hot Air website.
As I said above, a similar comment at theBreitbart site was removed.
The breitbart comment is back, as pointed out in the comments @ Hot Air - my post first appeared, and was then gone for a couple of hours, and is now back.
Alternatively, I'm being thick and didn't look carefully. They also claim that i'm not a reader, but what do they know... i'm not registered at HA, but sometimes stroll around for a look.
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