1 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:24:19am

Another one from the same photo stream: Bikes burning. Basij hide under the pink sign.

Looks like the got the short end of the stick on that encounter.

2 Gang of One  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:25:48am

How many sections of the city are seeing this? Is it just a few places or is this spreading?

3 idioma  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:25:51am

Iran's survival depends on the Iranian people. If they will not stop their government's nuclear ambitions, all will pay the price, not just the mullahs.

4 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:28:01am

re: #2 Gang of One

As far as I can tell it's pretty wide spread in Tehran. Not sure if anything is going on in other parts of the country.

5 recusancy  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:29:10am

re: #3 idioma

Iran's survival depends on the Iranian people. If they will not stop their government's nuclear ambitions, all will pay the price, not just the mullahs.

This has nothing to do with Iran's "nuclear ambitions".

6 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:29:59am

Obviously foregn agitators


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7 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:30:49am

Looking closely at that pic is looks like the police are on the verge of breaking. They're not in an organized formation, shields are not being used properly and from the number of rocks around them I'd guess they've been under bombardment for a while.

8 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:32:40am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

As far as I can tell it's pretty wide spread in Tehran. Not sure if anything is going on in other parts of the country.

Here are headlines from Dec 23 and Dec 24; apparently there is some acitivity in other cities.

9 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:33:23am

#ashura

Clashes have broken out between protesters and the police outside the headquarters of the Iranian Broadcasting. Sounds of gunshot have been heard in the area.
10 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:34:13am

re: #8 reine.de.tout

Interesting. I wasn't aware this had been brewing for a few days.

11 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:35:57am

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Interesting. I wasn't aware this had been brewing for a few days.

yeah - when I looked at "Ashura 101", it appears this started percolating around - December 18th? as best as I can make out.

12 PowerFlip  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:36:04am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

The photo does not show the size of the protester group, but it would seem that the police are are close to 50 in number.
The momentum seems to be be with the protesters...

13 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:36:16am

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Did you see this one from Sully?

14 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:37:08am

Here's an encouraging chant: "No Gaza No Lebanon My Life only"

15 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:38:33am
Sec forces frirng tear gas, chasing people in front of the IRIB #Iranelection #Ashura
16 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:39:16am

re: #13 JasonA

Ouch! You should have put a warning on that. What's the context? When was that taken? That's pretty bold to be executing Basij/Police. Maybe this is more serious than I'd first predicted.

17 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:40:31am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Here's an encouraging chant: "No Gaza No Lebanon My Life only"

[Video]

Good. Those chanting that want to stop Iran's support of terror. That helps show they are people of good will.

18 reine.de.tout  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:40:46am

Pro Iranian hackers hit Twitter and Opposition websites
Twitter hack.jpg

BBC │Dec. 18, 2009

A group calling itself the Iranian Cyber Army has hacked Twitter and an Iranian opposition website, replacing it with an anti-American message.

Traffic to the social networking website was redirected for nearly two hours on Thursday night. The opposition website mowjcamp.org remained disrupted on Friday.

The opposition in Iran have used the websites to publicise protests and accuse the government of rigging elections in June.

"This site has been hacked by the Iranian Cyber Army," the message read.

The message, written in confused English, said the hackers had turned the tables on the US, who they criticise for sanctions on Iran.

"USA think they controlling and managing internet by their access, but they don't, we control and manage internet by our power," the message continued.

It ended on a seemingly polite note, telling visitors to "take care", and the hackers added a winking emoticon.

The hackers left an e-mail address, but could not be reached for comment.

Hardliners chant "Death to Mousavi" at Iran rallies

19 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:40:53am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Ouch! You should have put a warning on that. What's the context? When was that taken? That's pretty bold to be executing Basij/Police. Maybe this is more serious than I'd first predicted.

Oh. Sorry :( Can my 13 be deleted so I can put a warning in there?

20 recusancy  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:41:13am

Some background on Ashura

21 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:41:31am

It looks as thought all heck is breaking loose.

22 Four More Tears  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:43:23am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Oh, and the link goes right to the page with the background on it.

23 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:43:58am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Ouch! You should have put a warning on that. What's the context? When was that taken? That's pretty bold to be executing Basij/Police. Maybe this is more serious than I'd first predicted.

Sadly, that kind of killing often happens during revolutions. In some cases, it is even necessary. You sometimes cannot detail people to guard prisoners and if you let them go They'll just come back at you again. In such cases, killing the enemy may be the only option. The great danger is that if you kill people after they have surrendered, then all who hear of it will expect the same out of you. Thereafter you can expect the enemy to give no quarter, nor ask for any, making any battle a fight to the death.

24 Gus  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:44:43am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Ouch! You should have put a warning on that. What's the context? When was that taken? That's pretty bold to be executing Basij/Police. Maybe this is more serious than I'd first predicted.

Looks like it was the Basij/Police executing protesters?

25 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:48:23am

re: #18 reine.de.tout

"USA think they controlling and managing internet by their access, but they don't, we control and manage internet by our power," the message continued.


Which again raises a very important point; The mullahs wold love to tar the opposition as agents of the US and Israel. It would be a mistake for the US government to give them too much open encouragement and support.

26 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:50:34am

re: #24 Gus 802

Looks like it was the Basij/Police executing protesters?


Looks like it but it doesn't look to be in an urban location like Tehran. Might be in a smaller city or town.

27 recusancy  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:50:38am

re: #25 Killgore Trout

Which again raises a very important point; The mullahs wold love to tar the opposition as agents of the US and Israel. It would be a mistake for the US government to give them too much open encouragement and support.

A post to go along with that point.

28 recusancy  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:51:28am

re: #27 recusancy

A post to go along with that point.

Oops... I meant this particular post.

29 Gus  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:52:17am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Looks like it but it doesn't look to be in an urban location like Tehran. Might be in a smaller city or town.

It does. Outskirts maybe or another town.

On a side note here's something from the BBC:

In a statement, the White House said it strongly condemned the "unjust suppression of civilians in Iran".

"Hope and history are on the side of those who peacefully seek their universal rights, and so is the United States. Governing through fear and violence is never just," a White House spokesperson said.

30 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:52:25am

re: #27 recusancy

Sully sez....

This simply astonishing video leaves me slack-jawed. In Sirjan, two men sentenced to hang are actually rescued by a mob who are then shot at by the regime police. This event allegedly occurred on December 22, and reveals the simmering unrest under the surface before the explosion of Ashura. NCR-Iran noted:


Ok, that gives some context. Thanks.

31 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:53:22am

My family is here to take me to lunch. BBL

32 Gus  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:53:51am

re: #30 Killgore Trout

Sully sez...


Ok, that gives some context. Thanks.

Found this:

Iran Police Shoot Dead 2 in Melee During Execution

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: December 24, 2009

Filed at 6:42 a.m. ET

TEHRAN,Iran (AP) -- Police have shot dead two relatives of convicts during a melee that erupted at a public execution in southern Iran.

The state-owned Iran daily says the relatives, who came to watch the hanging of two convicts, started a scuffle, prompting the police to open fire.

The paper's report on Thursday says 27 other people were injured in the melee.

It says the incident took place on Tuesday afternoon in the town of Sirjan, some 620 miles (1,000 kilometers) south of Tehran, where the two convicts were hanged for armed robbery.

The men were initially to be hanged on Tuesday morning, but a similar scuffle disrupted that execution.

Murder, rape, armed robbery, kidnapping and drug trafficking are crimes punishable with the death penalty in Iran.

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:54:12am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Ouch! You should have put a warning on that. What's the context? When was that taken? That's pretty bold to be executing Basij/Police. Maybe this is more serious than I'd first predicted.

It looks to me as though the crowd's running the cops off, and then taking down the men on the scaffold. You can see they're trying to raise them, give them a chance to keep breathing.

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:56:02am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Looks like it but it doesn't look to be in an urban location like Tehran. Might be in a smaller city or town.

Or just outskirts somewhere.

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:56:57am

I'm seeing far fewer women in the crowds.

36 recusancy  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:58:56am

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Or just outskirts somewhere.

It was in Sirjan.

37 Sharmuta  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:59:38am

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Interesting. I wasn't aware this had been brewing for a few days.

They started protesting Wednesday. I posted about it the other morning.

38 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 11:59:54am

Here is an article from The Wall Street Journal.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

39 avanti  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 12:01:04pm

As pointed out by others, this is the face of a revolution, not pretty and nothing compared to what we'd see here if the wet dreams of some on the fringe right would like to see came true. In Iran at least, it could be worth the bloodshed, but still hard to watch. Even some of the cops being beaten to death might not agree with the government, but as the face of that tyrant, they'll pay a horrific price unless they lay down their arms and join the revolution. If and when that happens, it could be the tipping point.

40 Petero1818  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 12:11:58pm

really sad to see this, though it has to happen. The truth is that until elements in the military side with the protestors, it will continue as is and fade out as it did a few months ago. It seems sad to say but many more will have to die before the rank and file start to question their orders.

41 drogheda  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 12:15:12pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

It looks to me as though the crowd's running the cops off, and then taking down the men on the scaffold. You can see they're trying to raise them, give them a chance to keep breathing.

That's how I interpreted it.

42 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 12:16:22pm

the freedom fighters battling against the iranian islamonazi regime are my heroes. if they succeed in toppling the mullahs, it will not be an overstatement to say they just may be saving the world!

43 jayzee  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 12:20:53pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Looking closely at that pic is looks like the police are on the verge of breaking. They're not in an organized formation, shields are not being used properly and from the number of rocks around them I'd guess they've been under bombardment for a while.

I think that's because they are in a defensive posture. If they go on the offensive that will stop them from breaking I fear.

44 philosophus invidius  Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:01:56pm

The picture starting this thread is actually from June, according to the NYT

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

45 abolitionist  Mon, Dec 28, 2009 6:52:47am

re: #44 philosophus invidius

The picture starting this thread is actually from June, according to the NYT

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

The caption says:

Estaban Felix/Associated Press

Supporters of President Manuel Zelaya of Honduras clashed with soldiers near the presidential residence.

Supporters... clashed with soldiers...
?!
My head hurts. This makes no sense.

46 abolitionist  Mon, Dec 28, 2009 7:00:17am

Oh, it does make sense -- resistance to a military coup:
Police, Protesters Clash in Honduras


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