White House Condemns Iranian Suppression of Protests

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The White House has made the following statement on the Iranian protests, which have now been under way for more than 12 hours:

“We strongly condemn the violent and unjust suppression of civilians in Iran seeking to exercise their universal rights,” White House National Security Council spokesman Mike Hammer said in a statement.

“Hope and history are on the side of those who peacefully seek their universal rights, and so is the United States,” Hammer said.

“Governing through fear and violence is never just, and as President (Barack) Obama said in Oslo — it is telling when governments fear the aspirations of their own people more than the power of any other nation,” Hammer said in a reference to Obama’s speech this month accepting the Nobel Peace Prize.

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_RememberTonyC Sun, Dec 27, 2009 12:42:30pm

The President cannot say this enough! He needs to let those protesters know that the leader of the USA and the people of the USA are with them.

The Shadow Do Sun, Dec 27, 2009 12:42:58pm

Well done, Mr. President.

prairiefire Sun, Dec 27, 2009 12:47:52pm

Appropriate.

[deleted] Sun, Dec 27, 2009 12:49:43pm

Irenicum Sun, Dec 27, 2009 12:52:29pm

I'm so glad to hear this. Every civilized people must stand with the protesters.

sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:01:06pm

re: #5 Irenicum

I'm so glad to hear this. Every civilized people must stand with the protesters.

It may be time to do more that "stand with them" via a statement from the White House. We "stood with them" when this happened a mere 6 months ago, yet here they (the protesters) are again, shedding blood for their freedom and being put down by the same thugs

Charles Johnson Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:01:19pm

Not a word at Hot Air about these protests.

_RememberTonyC Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:01:42pm

Charles .... Thanks so much for your multiple threads on the events in Iran. This is the most important story in the world right now. And since the evil regime in Tehran is deathly afraid of objective reporting on their atrocities, you are really making a difference! Content like this is what makes LGF the treasure that it has become for many of us.

Thanks again!

_RememberTonyC Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:02:51pm

re: #7 Charles

Not a word at Hot Air about these protests.

shocking .... not

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:03:12pm

re: #7 Charles

Not a word at Hot Air about these protests.

They're too busy planning their own revolution.

Don't think they'll stand up to riot police like the Tehranis.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:04:15pm

re: #11 Alouette

Amazon.com products link is featuring men's underwear.

You need some!?!?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:06:52pm

re: #11 Alouette

Amazon.com products link is featuring men's underwear.

Holy shit.

Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:07:18pm

Good going Mr. President. Keep it up.

nogendavid Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:09:35pm

Powerful statement, and timely on this occasion, not as with the initial round of protests.

May no celebrity deaths intervene in the media coverage. Stopped watching CNN after they let MJ's death displace their coverage of the ongoing Iranian protests.

My other suggestion (in earlier thread) was US link domestic repression to foreign aggression. The year is ending th at the US gave Iran to make progress on the nuclear issue, Teheran has responded with utter disdain,
and the President could point out that the world is well aware from history that internal repression is often accompanied by external belligerence, and US looks forward to seeing from Iran respects universal human rights at home and a foreign policy that permits it resume a proud place in the council of nations.

BryanS Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:10:07pm

Well done. I've been concerned about the lack of a similar statement as the protests dragged on from the rigged election.

Obama has come around on Honduras, and now Iran. He's had some foreign policy missteps, but I am glad to see he is correcting a couple glaring errors.

dugmartsch Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:11:35pm

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

They're too busy planning their own revolution.

Don't think they'll stand up to riot police like the Tehranis.

They don't like seeing examples of actual revolutions. Awful, bloody, violent, disturbing and the least desirable outcome possible. You can only justly revolt when all peaceful means of redress have been exhausted.

Not when you lose one fair election in a landslide.

Haole Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:12:37pm

bout damn time.

William of Orange Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:12:38pm

Dutch teletext reports another incident on a Detroit bound flight from Amsterdam!

Again it seems to involve a Nigerian national who seemed to spend a lot of time on a toilet. The aircraft made a successful landing and was diverted to a location on the airfield.

sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:13:35pm

re: #19 William of Orange

mentioned here (LGF) three threads ago. Charles is always right on it

abolitionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:13:38pm

This is a moving video tribute to a large number of people killed during protests of the election last summer. I do not understand the lyrics, but some of the messages are aimed at western audiences, such as Where is my Vote?

Youtube Video

avanti Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:13:52pm

re: #6 sattv4u2

It may be time to do more that "stand with them" via a statement from the White House. We "stood with them" when this happened a mere 6 months ago, yet here they (the protesters) are again, shedding blood for their freedom and being put down by the same thugs

What could we do that would not hurt their cause in the end ?

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:13:59pm

As always, my prayers are with the good people of Iran and North Korea who live under tyranny.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:14:13pm

re: #19 William of Orange

Dutch teletext reports another incident on a Detroit bound flight from Amsterdam!

Again it seems to involve a Nigerian national who seemed to spend a lot of time on a toilet. The aircraft made a successful landing and was diverted to a location on the airfield.

Wait, this is a SECOND Nigerian who was spending a lot of time in the bathroom? Bringing us to three Nigerians total, including the Christmas Day attacker?

Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:15:09pm

Footage of a captured policeman...

Youtube Video

William of Orange Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:15:50pm

re: #20 sattv4u2

Damn, missed it. (I was watching the Topgear Bolivia offroad special....)

BryanS Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:16:57pm

re: #6 sattv4u2

It may be time to do more that "stand with them" via a statement from the White House. We "stood with them" when this happened a mere 6 months ago, yet here they (the protesters) are again, shedding blood for their freedom and being put down by the same thugs

My sentiment is with you, but the US is not in a position to do much due to it's past with Iran. We can support the protesters, but it has to be on the down low. Perhaps Obama could express as much concern about the legitimacy of elections in Iran as he expressed about Honduras.

Stuart Leviton Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:17:14pm

re: #15 nogendavid
Smart. That's using your nogen Nogen.

Thank you President Obama.

sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:17:27pm

re: #22 avanti

What could we do that would not hurt their cause in the end ?

It may be time to do what President Obama campaigned on. he stated that he would be able to build coalitions not like the "past administration" did. He stated that he could reach out to the Iranian gov't with an open hand, not a closed fist. Here we are 11 months and 2 slaughters of Iranians later, and 6 months ago we got a great speach from him about it and today we get a "statement from the White House"

Gus Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:17:46pm

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

Wait, this is a SECOND Nigerian who was spending a lot of time in the bathroom? Bringing us to three Nigerians total, including the Christmas Day attacker?

No, just two. Been keeping an eye out on the second and it might be a case that required either Kaopectate or Pepto Bismol. He shouldn't have locked himself in regardless. A conspiracy theorist might say that he was testing the system. Etc.

Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:17:57pm

re: #22 avanti

What could we do that would not hurt their cause in the end ?

Well, with out actually giving you an example, think about what you just said. If we did something substantial, then in the end, nothing would hurt them since they would have succeeded. You sound like if we helped them you are already sure of their failure.

Why?

solomonpanting Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:18:13pm

re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As always, my prayers are with the good people of Iran and North Korea who live under tyranny.

Two-thirds of the Jack Axis of Evil.

sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:18:24pm

re: #27 BryanS

My sentiment is with you, but the US is not in a position to do much due to it's past with Iran. We can support the protesters, but it has to be on the down low. Perhaps Obama could express as much concern about the legitimacy of elections in Iran as he expressed about Honduras.

We've been supporting the protesters on the down low since the overthrow of the Shah. Hows that worked out for those people so far !?

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:19:16pm

re: #32 solomonpanting

Two-thirds of the Jack Axis of Evil.

I thought Bush had formally removed North Korea from the Axis of Evil.

Can just one nation be an axis?

Right Handed Neutrino Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:19:23pm

He seems to have stuck to the same tone as last summer, where he called on "the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people.”

solomonpanting Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:20:32pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought Bush had formally removed North Korea from the Axis of Evil.

Can just one nation be an axis?

They never left, AFAIC.

Spare O'Lake Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:21:19pm

It is very good news to read that the US administration has seen fit to issue a statement in support of the demonstrators albeit from a mid-level publiciity spokesperson rather than the Minister or Deputy Minister. Still, it does seem that Obama is reluctantly following on the Iranian file instead of bravely leading.

Charles Johnson Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:21:40pm

re: #33 sattv4u2

We've been supporting the protesters on the down low since the overthrow of the Shah. Hows that worked out for those people so far !?

So you think we should just invade now?

Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:21:47pm

re: #35 Right Handed Neutrino

He seems to have stuck to the same tone as last summer, where he called on "the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people.”

Except, thank goodness, he did it on the first day, days later. It hold more force in my opinion if he makes a statement in a timely manner.

This is timely, and good... right?

avanti Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:22:29pm

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

Well, with out actually giving you an example, think about what you just said. If we did something substantial, then in the end, nothing would hurt them since they would have succeeded. You sound like if we helped them you are already sure of their failure.

Why?

Because from what I've read, even the hint of foreign interference in the domestic affairs of Iran will recall the CIA's work in the past and rally the population against the great Satan.

Sheila Broflovski Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:22:32pm

re: #19 William of Orange

Dutch teletext reports another incident on a Detroit bound flight from Amsterdam!

Again it seems to involve a Nigerian national who seemed to spend a lot of time on a toilet. The aircraft made a successful landing and was diverted to a location on the airfield.

This is the same flight 253, not a different flight.

Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:22:43pm

Right wing blogs drop the ball again. No mention of Iran at PJM, Hot Air, Michelle Malkin. Once brief mention from Instapundit only to mention that Obama is playing golf.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:22:52pm

Well, they definitely stayed evil, but this is what I'm remembering.

Charles Johnson Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:22:53pm

I've seen quite a few Iranians on Twitter responding to calls for the US to do something, by saying they do not want the US to take any direct action.

BryanS Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:23:18pm

re: #33 sattv4u2

We've been supporting the protesters on the down low since the overthrow of the Shah. Hows that worked out for those people so far !?

It hasn't--but our support cannot be overt or it would empower Dinnerjacket.

He should as I suggested challenge the legitimacy of the current regime. He can do that by calling for free and fair elections, not recognizing the current regime as the legitimate leaders of Iran, etc.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:24:07pm

re: #41 Alouette

This is the same flight 253, not a different flight.

What is it with this flight, anyway?

sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:24:09pm

re: #38 Charles

So you think we should just invade now?

No. I think we should get the partners togther in a way that Obama stated that he could instead of restating a phrase from a speech from 6 months ago. It's not like in the time between then and now the Iranian regime has changed in what they were doing past their election.

prairiefire Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:24:42pm

re: #26 William of Orange

I wanted to ask you, will there be an influx of new little Dutch babies named "Jasper". A very nice name!

Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:24:42pm

re: #40 avanti

Because from what I've read, even the hint of foreign interference in the domestic affairs of Iran will recall the CIA's work in the past and rally the population against the great Satan.

Really... the population will rally against us. Maybe I'm missing something... the last time they had protests, there seemed to be a large contingent of people twittering and posting and phoning and putting up websites and making videos asking us for support, many different levels of support.

Or did I miss the rally against us?

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:24:51pm

re: #47 sattv4u2

No. I think we should get the partners togther in a way that Obama stated that he could instead of restating a phrase from a speech from 6 months ago. It's not like in the time between then and now the Iranian regime has changed in what they were doing past their election.

Partners?

Right Handed Neutrino Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:25:23pm

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Except, thank goodness, he did it on the first day, days later. It hold more force in my opinion if he makes a statement in a timely manner.

This is timely, and good... right?

I would say it is, yes. Mind you I can understand that in some circumstances it makes sense to avoid committing yourself before you really know what's going on, but this seems like a situation where if you're going to condemn the action of the Iranian regime, you ought to do it now.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:26:05pm

Nice job from the President.

Drogheda Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:26:33pm

re: #44 Charles

I've seen quite a few Iranians on Twitter responding to calls for the US to do something, by saying they do not want the US to take any direct action.

I seem to recall the same thing after the election protests.

BryanS Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:27:18pm

re: #49 Walter L. Newton

Really... the population will rally against us. Maybe I'm missing something... the last time they had protests, there seemed to be a large contingent of people twittering and posting and phoning and putting up websites and making videos asking us for support, many different levels of support.

Or did I miss the rally against us?

I was in diapers in the 70s, but I can read history. Did you not take note of the 70's vis-a-vis Iran? The Iranians are not going to be keen on US interventionism having despised our previous interventionism.

Spare O'Lake Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:27:33pm

re: #44 Charles

I've seen quite a few Iranians on Twitter responding to calls for the US to do something, by saying they do not want the US to take any direct action.

Twitter - is that how the Iranian opposition leaders are communicating with the Obama administration?
/

avanti Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:27:37pm

re: #49 Walter L. Newton

Really... the population will rally against us. Maybe I'm missing something... the last time they had protests, there seemed to be a large contingent of people twittering and posting and phoning and putting up websites and making videos asking us for support, many different levels of support.

Or did I miss the rally against us?

So, if you believe that to be true what should we do ?

sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:28:25pm

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

Partners?

was looking for the right word. Coalition was used for Desert Storm 1 and 2, so I'm not sure this admin would want to call it that

Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:29:03pm

re: #45 BryanS

It hasn't--but our support cannot be overt or it would empower Dinnerjacket.

He should as I suggested challenge the legitimacy of the current regime. He can do that by calling for free and fair elections, not recognizing the current regime as the legitimate leaders of Iran, etc.

He's not empowered now. He blames us for everything at the UN, He blames us for everything at the Copenhagen, He blames us for everything at Columbia and their daily media blames us for everything.

They renege on the Dec. nuclear fuel deal ( Iran rejects nuclear swap deadline set by U.S. 2009-12-24 00:). Iran seems more than empowered enough... anything else we can do to help this out?

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:29:28pm

re: #57 sattv4u2

was looking for the right word. Coalition was used for Desert Storm 1 and 2, so I'm not sure this admin would want to call it that

Oh, gotcha.

Gus Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:29:38pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Right wing blogs drop the ball again. No mention of Iran at PJM, Hot Air, Michelle Malkin. Once brief mention from Instapundit only to mention that Obama is playing golf.

From my observation it looks like most of the student opposition in Iran is what one would characterize as left, liberal and a diverse set of young people. This includes a lot of women for equal rights and a lot of people from the gay community in Iran. Not exactly the "natural allies" of the right wing blogosphere.

Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:29:51pm

re: #54 BryanS

I was in diapers in the 70s, but I can read history. Did you not take note of the 70's vis-a-vis Iran? The Iranians are not going to be keen on US interventionism having despised our previous interventionism.

It is 2009, nothing changed since then?

sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:29:59pm

re: #45 BryanS

but our support cannot be overt

Why not? We hagve been giving covert support to any opposition in Oran since the overthrow of the Shah. To what end?

BryanS Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:30:23pm

re: #57 sattv4u2

was looking for the right word. Coalition was used for Desert Storm 1 and 2, so I'm not sure this admin would want to call it that

Except there is no way we will get Russia like we did in the Gulf War. Russia and China are playing tin pot dictators against us, calculating that rogue regimes to more harm to the US than them. So it is not in their interest to help us do anything about them.

sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:30:57pm

re: #62 sattv4u2

but our support cannot be overt

Why not? We hagve been giving covert support to any opposition in OIran since the overthrow of the Shah. To what end?

pimf

Ojoe Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:31:10pm

May God grant the Iranian people victory over their oppressors.

Charles Johnson Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:31:16pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Right wing blogs drop the ball again. No mention of Iran at PJM, Hot Air, Michelle Malkin. Once brief mention from Instapundit only to mention that Obama is playing golf.

They're more interested in bashing Obama for not responding to the demonstrations, even though he has.

Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:31:45pm

re: #56 avanti

So, if you believe that to be true what should we do ?

Offer as much overt and covert support as we can.

solomonpanting Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:31:45pm

re: #49 Walter L. Newton

Really... the population will rally against us. Maybe I'm missing something... the last time they had protests, there seemed to be a large contingent of people twittering and posting and phoning and putting up websites and making videos asking us for support, many different levels of support.

Or did I miss the rally against us?

That may be the case in some instances, but several years ago I did a job for some Iranians who, although adamantly against the mullahs, were just as forceful in their negative opinions of the Shah and US meddling.

BryanS Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:31:55pm

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

He's not empowered now. He blames us for everything at the UN, He blames us for everything at the Copenhagen, He blames us for everything at Columbia and their daily media blames us for everything.

They renege on the Dec. nuclear fuel deal ( Iran rejects nuclear swap deadline set by U.S. 2009-12-24 00:). Iran seems more than empowered enough... anything else we can do to help this out?

Yes. If we explicitly pick sides in Iran, that would empower Dinnerjacket in his country. You do understand the utility of the external threat in despotic and repressive regimes, right?

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:31:56pm

re: #60 Gus 802

From my observation it looks like most of the student opposition in Iran is what one would characterize as left, liberal and a diverse set of young people. This includes a lot of women for equal rights and a lot of people from the gay community in Iran. Not exactly the "natural allies" of the right wing blogosphere.

I'm sure they could overlook that if they really tried. And the rightosphere is obsessed with women's rights--as long as they happen in Muslim countries. I have yet to see them give a damn about anyplace else. Animinists and Hindus are free to oppress women all day long.

Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:32:16pm

re: #60 Gus 802

From my observation it looks like most of the student opposition in Iran is what one would characterize as left, liberal and a diverse set of young people. This includes a lot of women for equal rights and a lot of people from the gay community in Iran. Not exactly the "natural allies" of the right wing blogosphere.

Good points. I guess I'm still getting used to the neocon thing being over with.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:32:49pm

re: #66 Charles

They're more interested in bashing Obama for not responding to the demonstrations, even though he has.

Details, details, details.

Mocking Jay Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:32:58pm

re: #33 sattv4u2

We've been supporting the protesters on the down low since the overthrow of the Shah. Hows that worked out for those people so far !?

Right. And before that we supported the Shah. Yeah, that one they overthrew.

avanti Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:33:15pm

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

Offer as much overt and covert support as we can.

I suspect that's what we are doing, as much as "we can" based on our best intelligence.

BryanS Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:33:20pm

re: #61 Walter L. Newton

It is 2009, nothing changed since then?

In regard to the Iranians suspicions of US intervention in their country, no, nothing has changed.

Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:33:25pm

re: #68 solomonpanting

That may be the case in some instances, but several years ago I did a job for some Iranians who, although adamantly against the mullahs, were just as forceful in their negative opinions of the Shah and US meddling.

And my girlfriend has friend over there right now, and they think just the opposite. So anecdotal at the least.

Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:33:39pm

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:34:01pm

re: #68 solomonpanting

That may be the case in some instances, but several years ago I did a job for some Iranians who, although adamantly against the mullahs, were just as forceful in their negative opinions of the Shah and US meddling.

The only way this will benefit us in the long run is if Iran can do this on their own, even if 'on their own' includes a little under-the-table help. And even then, I'm not so sure. Who's waiting in the wings? I don't know.

BryanS Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:34:10pm

re: #62 sattv4u2

but our support cannot be overt

Why not? We hagve been giving covert support to any opposition in Oran since the overthrow of the Shah. To what end?

To the end that we benefit when the opposition succeeds, as it will one day.

sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:34:33pm

re: #73 JasonA

Right. And before that we supported the Shah. Yeah, that one they overthrew.

So you're okay with overthorwing a regime freindly to the USA's interests but NOT one thats detrimental to the USA's interests

mmmmkkkaaayyy!!

Izzyboy Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:34:35pm

So what happens when Iran brutalizes the protesters again and nothing happens again? More condemnations and threats from world leaders, and then...
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:34:55pm

re: #78 reine.de.tout

It's about 1:30 am there. I'm seeing a lot of posts about clashes and gunfire at the TV stations.

Spare O'Lake Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:35:10pm

re: #60 Gus 802

From my observation it looks like most of the student opposition in Iran is what one would characterize as left, liberal and a diverse set of young people. This includes a lot of women for equal rights and a lot of people from the gay community in Iran. Not exactly the "natural allies" of the right wing blogosphere.

So the GOP supports Ahmadinejad against the lefty protestors while the Dems are staunch supporters of the opposition...is that your take?
How sad.

reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:35:22pm

A live blog of the clashes.

Sheila Broflovski Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:35:31pm

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

What is it with this flight, anyway?

Zedushka and I took that flight two years ago, on the first leg of a trip to Moscow. I think it's one of the cheapest flights to Europe for a major airline.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:35:32pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

Good points. I guess I'm still getting used to the neocon thing being over with.

It's been interesting to watch the wingnutosphere start to lose their taste for Iraq.

Gus Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:35:57pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure they could overlook that if they really tried. And the rightosphere is obsessed with women's rights--as long as they happen in Muslim countries. I have yet to see them give a damn about anyplace else. Animinists and Hindus are free to oppress women all day long.

Typically they use "women's rights" as you mention to advance their own cause. Someone like Malkin is far removed from the mainstream concept of women's right's considering her alliance with James Dobson. Then you have CPAC and Phyllis Schlafly wing of the rightosphere; Rush Limbaugh; et al. Domestically they spend a good deal of time bashing women's rights groups.

prairiefire Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:35:59pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

The only way this will benefit us in the long run is if Iran can do this on their own, even if 'on their own' includes a little under-the-table help. And even then, I'm not so sure. Who's waiting in the wings? I don't know.

The disposed Shah's eldest son desperately wants to be named Shah of Iran.

Varek Raith Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:36:02pm

re: #82 Izzyboy

So what happens when Iran brutalizes the protesters again and nothing happens again? More condemnations and threats from world leaders, and then...
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...And what would you suggest that we do?

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:36:41pm

re: #81 sattv4u2

So you're okay with overthorwing a regime freindly to the USA's interests but NOT one thats detrimental to the USA's interests

mmmkkkaaayyy!!

Don't think that's what he said.

Mocking Jay Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:36:43pm

re: #81 sattv4u2

So you're okay with overthorwing a regime freindly to the USA's interests but NOT one thats detrimental to the USA's interests

mmmkkkaaayyy!!

Where the hell did I say I didn't want the Iranians to overthrow their current government? Please, pretty please with sugar on top, tell me where the hell I said that.

Oh wait, I didn't.

Buy a clue. We aren't going to be of much help in what's going on right now.

Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:37:27pm

re: #44 Charles

I've seen quite a few Iranians on Twitter responding to calls for the US to do something, by saying they do not want the US to take any direct action.

Given our horrible past record of tampering with their government (which is what partially caused the original Islamic revolution) I am not surprised that they don't want us meddling. If the government could show proof that the United States was supporting the protesters overtly they would lose the support of many of their own countrymen.

This is an internal problem that is going to have to be resolved by the Iranians themselves. Anyone elses direct involvement will only subvert the effort, you might manage to topple the government, but then you wouldn't have anyone seen as being a legitimate patriot capable of taking their place.

avanti Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:37:32pm

re: #89 prairiefire

The disposed Shah's eldest son desperately wants to be named Shah of Iran.

Maybe the CIA could do a instant replay./

CIA Coup.

Gus Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:37:34pm

re: #84 Spare O'Lake

So the GOP supports Ahmadinejad against the lefty protestors while the Dems are staunch supporters of the opposition...is that your take?
How sad.

No, that's not what I said. I was talking about the blogosphere. Did I mention the GOP? No. Did I say the GOP supports "against the lefty protesters?" No.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:37:36pm

re: #84 Spare O'Lake

So the GOP supports Ahmadinejad against the lefty protestors while the Dems are staunch supporters of the opposition...is that your take?
How sad.

Blogosphere, he said. Not actual U.S. politicians.

Drogheda Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:38:04pm

re: #89 prairiefire

The disposed Shah's eldest son desperately wants to be named Shah of Iran.

And I want a pony.

I don't see that happening.

Izzyboy Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:38:14pm

re: #90 Varek Raith

I don't know, but all this talk is irritating.

sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:38:25pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

It's about 1:30 am there. I'm seeing a lot of posts about clashes and gunfire at the TV stations.

I'm at work and have three satellite recievers on Iranian TV stations. They'll usually have news reports evry 30 minutes or so showing outdoor scenes. I've been here for 6 1/2 hours now and all they are playing ios what looks like re-runs of 'regular" shows

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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:38:47pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Right wing blogs drop the ball again. No mention of Iran at PJM, Hot Air, Michelle Malkin. Once brief mention from Instapundit only to mention that Obama is playing golf.

I am stunned that those blogs are uninterested in this. How can they not be interested in this?

Oh, wait . . . earlier today a couple of HA types were here, in an earlier thread, upset with Charles for linking to the HA post where that bomb-making video was posted. They were OK with the HA post that actually posted the video, but livid with Charles for linking to it. I guess that's the sort of thing they feel is important.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:39:04pm

re: #89 prairiefire

The disposed Shah's eldest son desperately wants to be named Shah of Iran.

Yes, well, I want to be Queen of Upper and Lower Egypt, but I'm getting over it.

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solomonpanting Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:39:41pm

re: #99 sattv4u2

I'm at work and have three satellite recievers on Iranian TV stations. They'll usually have news reports evry 30 minutes or so showing outdoor scenes. I've been here for 6 1/2 hours now and all they are playing ios what looks like re-runs of 'regular" shows

So, the revolution will not be televised?

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:39:46pm

re: #92 JasonA

We aren't going to be of much help in what's going on right now

Then why even bother with a "statement from the White House"?

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:40:35pm

re: #102 solomonpanting

So, the revolution will not be televised?

Only if Bahgdad Bob can be resurected to announce it from the regimes point of view

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:41:55pm

re: #104 sattv4u2

Only if Bahgdad Bob can be resurected to announce it from the regimes point of view

I doubt he works for Persians.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:42:30pm

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

I doubt he works for Persians.

hey ,, when you're out of work ,, any port in the storm, as they say!

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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:42:51pm

Protesters burn basiji clothing

Youtube Video

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Izzyboy Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:43:04pm

re: #104 sattv4u2

"There are absolutely no protests going on, it's really a parade celebrating our great leaders."

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:43:38pm

re: #107 reine.de.tout

Protesters burn basiji clothing

[Video]

looks like a lot more than young women and gays!

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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:44:27pm

re: #109 sattv4u2

looks like a lot more than young women and gays!

Yep

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BryanS Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:45:03pm

Here's a right wing blog with posts of interest on the protests:

Opposition Leader Mousavi’s Nephew Shot Dead in Tehran Protests

MASSIVE PROTESTS IN IRAN– Protesters Beat & Stone Regime Thugs – Torch Police Cars

The nephew of Mousavi getting shot dead will certainly flame the fires.

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Gus Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:45:18pm

re: #66 Charles

They're more interested in bashing Obama for not responding to the demonstrations, even though he has.

I think they're still busy trying to spin the Flight 253 incident into "Obama's fault." If Obama speaks about Iran they won't notice. When they finally notice they'll spin it into something else to complain about.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:46:00pm

re: #109 sattv4u2

looks like a lot more than young women and gays!

Stonewall goes to Tehran. No, wait, those were drag queens. Well, you get my drift.

BTW, did you know that Iran bans homosexuality, but permits sex changes?

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Charles Johnson Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:46:02pm

re: #103 sattv4u2

We aren't going to be of much help in what's going on right now

Then why even bother with a "statement from the White House"?

And again, you're simply consumed with hatred for Barack Obama -- nothing he does is praiseworthy to you. You'll complain no matter what happens.

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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:46:27pm

re: #107 reine.de.tout

There's a clip of the captured basij at the end. They put a green shirt on him and carry him away.

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Charles Johnson Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:46:43pm

re: #112 Gus 802

I think they're still busy trying to spin the Flight 253 incident into "Obama's fault." If Obama speaks about Iran they won't notice. When they finally notice they'll spin it into something else to complain about.

That's already happening right here.

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Spare O'Lake Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:46:59pm

re: #109 sattv4u2

looks like a lot more than young women and gays!

Surely no one would try to mischaracterize the Iranian protests in order to score cheap domestic political points.
/

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Crimsonfisted Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:47:23pm

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, well, I want to be Queen of Upper and Lower Egypt, but I'm getting over it.

I will crown you Queen. After all, I am the High Priestess of All That I Survey, doncha' know.

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Gus Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:47:24pm

re: #109 sattv4u2

looks like a lot more than young women and gays!

Interesting snark.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:48:43pm

re: #118 Crimsonfisted

I will crown you Queen. After all, I am the High Priestess of All That I Survey, doncha' know.

Nifty! Can you send me a certificate or somethin'?

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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:48:46pm

re: #119 Gus 802

Interesting snark.

Satt meant that as snark?

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:48:51pm

re: #114 Charles

And again, you're simply consumed with hatred for Barack Obama -- nothing he does is praiseworthy to you. You'll complain no matter what happens.

you're incorrect. I have praised him on any number of occasions,, INCLUDING his original speech about these very same protests some 6 months ago

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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:49:31pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

There's a clip of the captured basij at the end. They put a green shirt on him and carry him away.

He looks worn out and scared.
I hope he wasn't killed or injured - but I do hope he was scared shitless.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:49:56pm

re: #119 Gus 802

Interesting snark.

wasn't a snark. Someone upthread posted that someone would characterize the protesters as women looking for equality and gays

BRB ,, I'll go look for it

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Racer X Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:50:01pm

Good job Mr. President! Play it cool and do not intervene - yet.

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Gus Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:50:11pm

re: #121 reine.de.tout

Satt meant that as snark?

That's how I read it. It was in response to my #60.

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miclaine Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:51:18pm

Way Off Topic ...
My kids got my a record player/converter a couple of years ago, I finally pulled it out yesterday and I have spent the weekend converting old albums to MP3 --- Hound Dog Taylor, King Curtis & Champion Jack Dupree, Steve Goodman, Al Kooper, Mike Bloomfield Super Sessions, Clark Terry, Chet Atkins and Les Paul, have not heard some of these albums in 15 years.

As I lurk and read all you lizards have to say!

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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:52:58pm

re: #118 Crimsonfisted

I will crown you Queen. After all, I am the High Priestess of All That I Survey, doncha' know.

Oh, no - there's only one Queen here . . .

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Crimsonfisted Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:53:22pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

Nifty! Can you send me a certificate or somethin'?

Would this do?

(found it on the web, it is NOT me, doncha' know!)

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:53:28pm

re: #126 Gus 802

That's how I read it. It was in response to my #60.

Yes ,, it was in response to your #60, BUTTRESSING that it's more than 'just" women and gays looking for equality

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:55:08pm

re: #128 reine.de.tout

Oh, no - there's only one Queen here . . .

Can I be Girl Pharaoh then?

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Racer X Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:55:11pm

Kerry Floats Plan to Visit Tehran

White House Wouldn't Oppose Trip, First by Top U.S. Official in 30 Years, to Chagrin of Iran's Opposition.
Sen. John Kerry has suggested becoming the first high-level U.S. emissary to make a public visit to Tehran since the 1979 Islamic revolution, a move White House officials say they won't oppose.

The offer comes as mass protests against Iran's regime are resurfacing and a U.S.-imposed deadline nears to broach international sanctions against Iran.

"This sounds like the kind of travel a chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee would -- and should -- undertake," said a White House official, adding it would be at Sen. Kerry's own behest.

Many opponents of Tehran's regime oppose such a visit, fearing it would lend legitimacy to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at a time when his government is under continuing pressure from protests and opposition figures. Hundreds of thousands of demonstrators took to the streets again this week to voice their opposition to the government following the death of a reformist cleric.

Would someone please put a leash and a muzzle on this moron.

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Gus Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:55:38pm

re: #130 sattv4u2

Yes ,, it was in response to your #60, BUTTRESSING that it's more than 'just" women and gays looking for equality

Actually, I said "this includes a lot..." and I did not say "just..."

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:55:42pm

re: #129 Crimsonfisted

Would this do?

(found it on the web, it is NOT me, doncha' know!)

Sure. Why the heck not?

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Crimsonfisted Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:55:45pm

On topic,
If the Iranians do not want direct help, does that mean indirect help is acceptable? And what would that be? We would never know I guess, but speculation?

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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:55:52pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

Can I be Girl Pharaoh then?

um. OK.
*sigh* if you insist.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:56:03pm

re: #126 Gus 802

re: #130 sattv4u2

Yes ,, it was in response to your #60, BUTTRESSING that it's more than 'just" women and gays looking for equality

However,l looking at the street scenes, I don't know how you can say they are " left, liberal and a diverse set of young people." I see all ages in those scenes, and would have no idea which way they lean

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Racer X Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:56:07pm

I'm going for a bike ride.

BBL

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sarabande Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:56:16pm

Twitter's #iranelection is hard to follow, but irresistible. Insert obligatory Ballad of a Thin Man quote.

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Charles Johnson Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:56:29pm

re: #122 sattv4u2

you're incorrect. I have praised him on any number of occasions,, INCLUDING his original speech about these very same protests some 6 months ago

Oh really?

Here's the thread. I'm having a hard time finding any "praise" from you.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Lots of comments like this one, though:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Fence sitting is really an Art

and Obama is the Michaelangelo of fence sitters

I don't really like it when people try to blow smoke up my ass.

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Crimsonfisted Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:57:04pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

Can I be Girl Pharaoh then?

Maharincess maybe?

Youtube Video

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Sheila Broflovski Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:59:08pm

re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist

Can I be Girl Pharaoh then?

Would that be Pharoahette? (And why do I immediately have this image of a '60's Motown girl group?)

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 1:59:54pm

OK, dudes and dudettes. I have a demo to go to. Be back sometime.

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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:00:24pm

Kudos again to Obama - focusing world attention on the brutality of the tyrants is the best way to prevent more of the same.

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prairiefire Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:02:58pm

re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, well, I want to be Queen of Upper and Lower Egypt, but I'm getting over it.

Why, I thought you were Queen of Upper and Lower Egypt! My bad. You should be!
; )

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Spare O'Lake Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:04:09pm

Would someone please explain to me how is it that a public statement by the US President or a White House spokesperson, which clearly supports the Iranian opposition and condemns the Iranian administration for their ham-fisted tactics, does not constitute a direct intervention in the conflict?

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:05:29pm

re: #146 Spare O'Lake

Well, if words mean things, it is a direct intervention, IMO.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:06:35pm

re: #146 Spare O'Lake

Would someone please explain to me how is it that a public statement by the US President or a White House spokesperson, which clearly supports the Iranian opposition and condemns the Iranian administration for their ham-fisted tactics, does not constitute a direct intervention in the conflict?

It does constitute a direct intervention in the conflict, and that's good, good for the Iranian people who are protesting and a kudo for the President.

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prairiefire Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:06:39pm

re: #136 reine.de.tout

um. OK.
*sigh* if you insist.

Well, she did say Egypt, Reine. We know you are the Queen of LGF!

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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:07:31pm

re: #146 Spare O'Lake

If you read that carefully it doesn't directly support the opposition, it's worded to support human rights in general. There isn't a group named, instead the word "civilians" is used.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:11:02pm

re: #150 Thanos

If you read that carefully it doesn't directly support the opposition, it's worded to support human rights in general. There isn't a group named, instead the word "civilians" is used.

Come on, "violent and unjust suppression of civilians in Iran" is not supporting the opposition? Obama just decided to release this statement today, as some sort of general reminder about human right, and low and behold, just by coincidence, there was an opposition riot/protest/up rising going on.

Lucky man.

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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:13:12pm

Crazy Pam covers the Iranian uprising....

The worst president at the worst of times. We are in Middle East. Let's help these people. We should arm them, We should go in and de-nuke the mullahs. No, instead we are trying Islamic jihad in Gaza and givign them billions.
These people will win. They have right on their side. They wull never forgive us, leaders of the free world, for abandoning them as they were slaughtered. This is a terrible stain on the glory that was once a proud and glorious America.But then again, so is this president.

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miclaine Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:14:37pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout
That woman is SICK I tells ya ... sick

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BryanS Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:15:02pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

Who's "Crazy Pam"? Sounds pretty crazy, but does this person matter/have influence?

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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:15:40pm

re: #153 miclaine

She can't spell or form a complete sentence either.

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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:16:08pm

re: #154 BryanS

Pamela Geller from Atlas Shrugs.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:17:47pm

1st time today theres a video on an Iranian satellite channel showing an outdoor scene. Mostly people milling around and in the distance you can see 'security people' walking quickly towards something (a car perhaps) that is smoldering
No closeups
No blood shown
No angry protesters shown

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Charles Johnson Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:18:46pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam covers the Iranian uprising...

And of course, these are the same people -- Muslims -- who that hate-filled moron wants to deport en masse from America, and spends every waking moment demonizing.

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prairiefire Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:18:51pm

re: #127 miclaine

Way Off Topic ...
My kids got my a record player/converter a couple of years ago, I finally pulled it out yesterday and I have spent the weekend converting old albums to MP3 --- Hound Dog Taylor, King Curtis & Champion Jack Dupree, Steve Goodman, Al Kooper, Mike Bloomfield Super Sessions, Clark Terry, Chet Atkins and Les Paul, have not heard some of these albums in 15 years.

As I lurk and read all you lizards have to say!

I want one of those USB record players badly! Can you recommend one brand over another? Does the true pop and crackle of LP convert well enough to be heard?

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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:19:19pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam covers the Iranian uprising...

". . . they wull never forgive us . . . "

What is this "wull"?

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BryanS Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:19:22pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

Pamela Geller from Atlas Shrugs.

Don't read that blog...guess I know why.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:19:42pm

How many camera phones are on the planet Earth now? How many were on the planet earth ten years ago?

Everybody in Iran appears to have one. The enemy of oppression is probably information getting out and around...

Let's hope.

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Drogheda Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:20:19pm

re: #160 reine.de.tout

". . . they wull never forgive us . . . "

What is this "wull"?

Just a simple typo is all. Look to the right of the 'u' on your keyboard (assuming you use QWERTY).

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solomonpanting Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:20:26pm

re: #160 reine.de.tout

". . . they wull never forgive us . . . "

What is this "wull"?

Something to pull over your eyes?

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:20:35pm

re: #158 Charles

I just want the bad ones to leave.

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CapeCoddah Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:20:46pm

re: #160 reine.de.tout

". . . they wull never forgive us . . . "

What is this "wull"?

That is the laziness that goes with stupidity.

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Randall Gross Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:20:55pm

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

It's not direct. Direct support is sending them money or arms, or declaring that Dinnerjacket isn't president because the elections were rigged. That's direct. This is indirect but firm, and achieves just the right balance point for me.

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reine.de.tout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:21:05pm

re: #163 Drogheda

Just a simple typo is all. Look to the right of the 'u' on your keyboard (assuming you use QWERTY).

I know.
Pam is famous for her misspellings and "typos" that get printed in her blog.

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miclaine Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:21:24pm

re: #159 prairiefire

Yes you get the snap crackle and pop. They got me the ION TTUSB10. It separates the tracks on the albums and will do cassettes too. So it is good enough for me. It is great to hear stuff that you cannot get on CD, plus great to hear that vinyl sound again!!!

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Drogheda Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:22:56pm

re: #168 reine.de.tout

Pam is famous for her misspellings and "typos" that get printed in her blog.

Did she grace us with "nirth" or was that someone else?

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Charles Johnson Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:23:58pm

re: #170 Drogheda

Did she grace us with "nirth" or was that someone else?

That was Crazy Pam. She spelled it that way in a headline, then left it like that for more than a day.

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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:24:53pm

re: #160 reine.de.tout

". . . they wull never forgive us . . . "

What is this "wull"?

Where there's a wull there's a way.
My last wull and testament
Wully Bully!

Youtube Video

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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:25:33pm

re: #159 prairiefire

I want one of those USB record players badly! Can you recommend one brand over another? Does the true pop and crackle of LP convert well enough to be heard?

If you record it at a high enough kbps rate you can get really good fidelity. Don't make the mistake of trying to record it at 96kbps and then expect it to sound good. 192kbps should be the minimum you use, of course you end up with a lot of large music files that aren't so good for MP3 players but you can always re-encode/downsize a copy to put on portable players.

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prairiefire Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:27:54pm

re: #169 miclaine

Thanks! Favorited for future reference. Oh, to be able to hear all of my old Neil Young, Roxy Music, Kate Bush, my precious Tommy Bolin. Sigh...

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solomonpanting Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:28:17pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Wully Bully!

Domingo “Sam” Samudio

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prairiefire Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:28:32pm

re: #173 ausador

Thanks, favorited again.

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Sheila Broflovski Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:28:43pm

re: #168 reine.de.tout

I know.
Pam is famous for her misspellings and "typos" that get printed in her blog.

She should change the name of her blog to AtlasDrunks

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sattv4u2 Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:28:47pm

Don't know if anyone can read Farsi, but here's a link to one ofg several 'official' Iranian TV stations
[Link: www2.irib.ir...]

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Charles Johnson Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:30:30pm

re: #169 miclaine

Yes you get the snap crackle and pop. They got me the ION TTUSB10. It separates the tracks on the albums and will do cassettes too. So it is good enough for me. It is great to hear stuff that you cannot get on CD, plus great to hear that vinyl sound again!!!

Here's that turntable at Amazon: Ion Audio TTUSB 10 Vinyl Recording USB Turntable with Audacity Software, Dust Cover and Analog Stereo Input

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[deleted] Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:34:00pm

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prairiefire Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:39:14pm

re: #179 Charles

Thanks, Charles! Favorited again.

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miclaine Sun, Dec 27, 2009 2:47:21pm

re: #181 prairiefire

Hot Tuna, Roy Buchanan, Tom Waits, Moby Grape, NRPS looking forward to converting my GDead shows on cassette too! Count Basie, Duke Ellington, my dad's Stan Kenton 45's, Blue Mitchell - just amazing stuff I have not heard in years!!

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Dec 27, 2009 3:06:20pm

re: #33 sattv4u2

We've been supporting the protesters on the down low since the overthrow of the Shah. Hows that worked out for those people so far !?

Uh...didn't we support the shah?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Dec 27, 2009 3:09:19pm

re: #84 Spare O'Lake

So the GOP supports Ahmadinejad against the lefty protestors while the Dems are staunch supporters of the opposition...is that your take?
How sad.

You know these events aren't like a football game, right? Their opposition IS liberal, that is a fact, in the context of their politics.

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abolitionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 3:11:04pm

re: #183 WindUpBird

Uh...didn't we support the shah?

Until Pres. Carter pulled the rug out from under him.

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sagehen Sun, Dec 27, 2009 3:21:11pm

re: #135 Crimsonfisted

On topic,
If the Iranians do not want direct help, does that mean indirect help is acceptable? And what would that be? We would never know I guess, but speculation?

Whatever the regime is doing to try to block phones and internet might be something we can interfere with. Maybe our satellites can do something that makes them work like cell towers? Or satellite TV downlinks can be turned into uplinks? Proxy servers to make their online activities less traceable? And DOS attacks on the regime's servers.

Maybe we're distributing satellite phones across the border from Afghanistan, and parked a satellite in geosynchronous orbit for their use? Maybe we quick-quick put up some repeaters to strengthen BBC-Persia's signal?

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Sheepdogess Sun, Dec 27, 2009 4:01:34pm

That was a vewy, vewy, nasty, wetter.

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stayfrosty Sun, Dec 27, 2009 4:53:47pm

It's a bit of a change of tone from the White House, no? Last time they were very hesitant to "meddle" by condemning the crackdown.

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blueraven Sun, Dec 27, 2009 5:13:13pm

re: #185 abolitionist

Until Pres. Carter pulled the rug out from under him.

How did President Carter pull the rug out from under the Shah who the US had hoisted into power years earlier?

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marsl Sun, Dec 27, 2009 5:22:50pm

Nothing that a strong-word letter would resolve. The Iranian leaders are already surrendering, with afraid of the letter...

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solomonpanting Sun, Dec 27, 2009 5:27:26pm

re: #189 blueraven

How did President Carter pull the rug out from under the Shah who the US had hoisted into power years earlier?

A condensed view.

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blueraven Sun, Dec 27, 2009 6:57:07pm

re: #191 solomonpanting

Thank you solomonpanting. I would agree that is a very condensed as well as simplistic version of events. The poster seems to suggest that if only Carter would have backed the Shah by supporting his regime's brutal behavior toward it's citizens, the revolution would have failed.

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abolitionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:08:17pm

re: #191 solomonpanting

Thanks for that link.

re: #189 blueraven

How did President Carter pull the rug out from under the Shah who the US had hoisted into power years earlier?

Carter yielded to the anti-Shah elements within his administration and various media, and maintained a willful blindness to the intentions of the exiled Ayatollah Khomeini.

A couple more links I found:
Father of the Iranian revolution

I was surprised to read that the PLO flag (of Arafat and gang) had flown over the American Embassy in Tehran in the early stages of the takeover.

A collection of items here:
Evidence Jimmy Carter abandoned the Shah

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abolitionist Sun, Dec 27, 2009 9:13:42pm

Oops, I misread (from 1st link):

KHOMEINI HAD the help of the PLO in Iran. They supplied weapons and terrorists to murder Iranians and incite mobs in the streets. No wonder Yasser Arafat was hailed as a friend of Khomeini after he seized control of Iran and was given the Israeli Embassy in Teheran with the PLO flag flying overhead.

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