TMZ Falls for JFK Hoax, Pamela Geller Changes History

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Gossip site TMZ ran a story today about a photo of John F. Kennedy on a yacht with several naked women, and headlined it: The JFK Photo That Could Have Changed History.

In their article, TMZ cited “multiple experts” and quoted a “forensic analyst” who vouched for the authenticity of the photo.

TMZ had multiple experts examine the photo — all say there is no evidence the picture was Photoshopped. The original print — which is creased — was scanned and examined for evidence of inconsistent lighting, photo composition and other forms of manipulation. The experts all concluded the photo appears authentic.

Professor Jeff Sedlik, a forensic photo expert, says the print appears to be authentic. Sedlik says the photo is printed on paper consistent with what was used in the 1950s. The emulsion on the surface of the print has numerous cracks — the result of aging and handling. …

Forensic analyst Sedlik superimposed an image of Kennedy taken at the Democratic National Convention in August 1956, just days before Kennedy went on the Mediterranean cruise. Sedlik says the features from the two pics almost precisely sync up. TMZ has also had two Kennedy biographers examine the photo — they also believe JFK is in the picture.

TMZ concludes their article with the ominous news that if the photo had been released in 1960 it would have “changed history:”

Had the photo surfaced when John F. Kennedy ran for President in 1960, it could have torpedoed his run, and changed world history.

Imagine my negligible surprise to discover the photo is a hoax, as The Smoking Gun proves here: TMZ Falls For JFK Photo Hoax.

And speaking of “changing history,” one of the right wing bloggers who fell for the hoax, hook, line, and sinker, is the web’s craziest shrieking harpy, Pamela Geller, who shrieked:

TMZ has the goods on this photo of JFK and a gaggle of naked women. Too bad the left wing pravda media protected him. Just think. For starters, we’d still have Cuba.

Today if that picture emerged, they’d give him a Nobel. What a difference 40-odd years makes.

Leave it to Geller to find the Obama connection, no matter how strained. But the link to Geller’s anti-Muslim hate site goes to Google’s cache because she simply deleted her post without updating or acknowledging that she fell for an obvious hoax.

But the idiocy doesn’t even stop there, because Cuba was taken over by Castro’s forces in 1959.

UPDATE at 12/28/09 12:22:33 pm:

In more shrieking harpy news, Geller’s moronic post about the White House Christmas tree “festooned with evil” is duplicated today at far right web site Newsmax — the site that recently published an article advocating a military takeover of the US government.

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217 comments

Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:00:25pm

Psyche!

Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:01:31pm

Charles, you just want us to think the pic of you next to Hitler was a fake.
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Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:02:35pm

And now, about that Honduran Iranian Police photo......

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:02:41pm

Breaking news: John Kennedy Screwed Around!

Tonight: Nixon Resigns!

Didn't we know this already, with or without faked photos? Ask me how much I care.

Kragar Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:02:45pm

I hope TMZ is getting their money back from their "experts."

Kragar Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:03:29pm

re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist

Breaking news: John Kennedy Screwed Around!

Tonight: Nixon Resigns!

Didn't we know this already, with or without faked photos? Ask me how much I care.

WE LANDED ON THE MOON!

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Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:04:56pm

I fell for it.

First thought was to give JFK props for style.

Monica Lewinski would never be on that boat.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:05:14pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WE LANDED ON THE MOON!

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I hear the Berlin Wall is down.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:05:17pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

WE LANDED ON THE MOON!

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...and found whalers!

;)

MrSilverDragon Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:05:20pm

I'm not exactly sure how it would have changed history, considering it wasn't secret knowlege that Kennedy ~~was a philanderer~~ liked boats.

Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:05:34pm

TMZ has the goods on this photo of JFK and a gaggle of naked women. Too bad the left wing pravda media protected him. Just think. For starters, we’d still have Cuba.

Just think, for starters, Cuba fell on January 1, 1959. JFK assumed office on January 20, 1961. Geller has to add more embellishments to her fantastical conspiracy theory.

DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:05:50pm

The Ad for the $499 Obama bronze bust intrigues me. For $499 it better grow hair like the Obama Chia.

/Tacky knows no price.

The Kennedy shot didn't seem to pass the smell test. The funniest thing about the story is that for years some guy carried around a black and white photo of a playboy photoshoot thinking it was a unique heirloom of presidential history.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:06:14pm

re: #11 Gus 802

Just think, for starters, Cuba fell on January 1, 1959. JFK assumed office on January 20, 1961. Geller has to add more embellishments to her fantastical conspiracy theory.

We'll always have ~~Paris~~ Cuba.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:07:23pm

re: #12 DaddyG

The Ad for the $499 Obama bronze bust intrigues me. For $499 it better grow hair like the Obama Chia.

/Tacky knows no price.

The Kennedy shot didn't seem to pass the smell test. The funniest thing about the story is that for years some guy carried around a black and white photo of a playboy photoshoot thinking it was a unique heirloom of presidential history.

I keep thinking that somewhere out there, children are growing up in homes of people who are collecting all the Obama stuff. The bronzes. The fashion dolls. The plates.

I wonder how this will affect them.

DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:07:31pm

If it weren't for Carter we'd still have Panama. ...and he lusted in his heart.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:07:33pm

re: #4 SanFranciscoZionist

A previously undiscovered shot of Marilyn Monroe would be big $$. A probably the bigger deal overall.

Mark Pennington Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:07:50pm

Further proof that my girlfriend is correct: Pamela Geller is an obnoxious skank.

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:08:11pm

Good. Grief.
That photo is pathetic, probably a literal cut and paste rather than a modern photoshoppe. JFK's head is too large and at an anatomically impossible angle, unless his neck was attached to his right shoulder.

SixDegrees Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:08:37pm

"For starters, we’d still have Cuba."

WTF? Who's "we"? The United States? When did we ever "have" Cuba? I somehow missed it being wrested from our "ownership." Seems like it would have been big news.

And how would Kennedy losing the Presidency have changed...well, what really happened? I certainly don't recall the Cuban Revolution taking place while Kennedy was in office. By the time he arrived on the scene, Cuba was already a Soviet client-state.

What fantasy universe does this woman live in?

Kragar Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:08:39pm

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

We'll always have ~~Paris~~ Cuba Gooding Jr.

DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:08:57pm

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

I keep thinking that somewhere out there, children are growing up in homes of people who are collecting all the Obama stuff. The bronzes. The fashion dolls. The plates.

I wonder how this will affect them.

A few will be confused wondering which president Beethoven was. /

MandyManners Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:09:01pm

How long before this descends into a boob thread?

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:09:02pm

re: #17 beekiller

Further proof that my girlfriend is correct: Pamela Geller is an obnoxious skank.

Well endowed, but not with brains.

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:09:45pm

re: #22 MandyManners

How long before this descends into a boob thread?

Not long at all. See #23.

Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:09:48pm

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

Good. Grief.
That photo is pathetic, probably a literal cut and paste rather than a modern photoshoppe. JFK's head is too large and at an anatomically impossible angle, unless his neck was attached to his right shoulder.

It's a photocopy.

The black and white version looks just like him, the color one, not so much.

Not shopped in that sense.

abolitionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:09:50pm

re: #3 Ben Hur

And now, about that Honduran Iranian Police photo...

Charles -
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
[Link: world.globaltimes.cn...]

HelloDare Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:09:53pm

Quick, somebody photoshop a gilded body jumping into the water. You know, like the woman on the top of Gellers web page.

Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:09:59pm

re: #22 MandyManners

How long before this descends into a boob thread?

If it does, you started it.

DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:10:03pm

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

Good. Grief.
That photo is pathetic, probably a literal cut and paste rather than a modern photoshoppe. JFK's head is too large and at an anatomically impossible angle, unless his neck was attached to his right shoulder.

There is a post assassination joke in there somewhere... I fear. /

Kragar Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:10:48pm

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

Good. Grief.
That photo is pathetic, probably a literal cut and paste rather than a modern photoshoppe. JFK's head is too large and at an anatomically impossible angle, unless his neck was attached to his right shoulder.

I suppose next, you're going to try and argue that Raptor Jesus was photoshopped too.

Daniel Ballard Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:10:51pm

re: #15 DaddyG

If it were not for Carter the secular Iranians would still have Iran.

Baier Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:11:18pm

You know someone with an encyclopedic knowledge of playboy (thick glasses and hairy palms) caught that right out of the gate.

HelloDare Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:11:57pm

They should have put Kennedy in a rocker.

Kragar Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:12:00pm

re: #29 DaddyG

There is a post assassination joke in there somewhere... I fear. /

There was a second photographer on the grassy knoll overlooking the yacht.

Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:12:39pm

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There was a second photographer on the grassy knoll overlooking the yacht.

C'mon, there's no full frontal....

Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:12:48pm

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There was a second photographer on the grassy knoll overlooking the yacht.

You mean, there were two cameras?

DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:12:54pm

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There was a second photographer on the grassy knoll overlooking the yacht.

It was the 60's the natural look was in. /

SixDegrees Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:12:58pm

re: #16 Rightwingconspirator

A previously undiscovered shot of Marilyn Monroe would be big $$. A probably the bigger deal overall.

That just happened.

And a movie, too.

rwmofo Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:14:34pm

The guy on the boat looks like Tiger Woods.

*ducks*

Daniel Ballard Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:14:42pm

re: #38 SixDegrees
You are right. I had no idea about the movie. I'll parse your link its not working as is. :)

DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:15:00pm

re: #39 rwmofo

The guy on the boat looks like Tiger Woods.

*ducks*

He's got his putter in his hand. /

SixDegrees Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:15:33pm

re: #40 Rightwingconspirator

You are right. I had no idea about the movie. I'll parse your link its not working as is. :)

I see the problem. Try this one.

SpaceJesus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:15:50pm

i want to photoshop a picture of geller reading a book about common sense.

i don't think anybody would fall for it though...

Cathypop Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:16:50pm

It looks like Kennedy is sleeping. What man would sleep with a bunch of naked women around him?

rwmofo Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:17:42pm

re: #44 Cathypop

It looks like Kennedy is sleeping. What man would sleep with a bunch of naked women around him?

Ummm, because they make us tired?

SpaceJesus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:17:47pm

re: #44 Cathypop

It looks like Kennedy is sleeping. What man would sleep with a bunch of naked women around him?

i would, if they were all pamela

MandyManners Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:17:59pm

Why would people believe authentication by a site that treats Paris Hilton as legitimate news?

Digital Display Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:18:39pm

re: #39 rwmofo

The guy on the boat looks like Tiger Woods.

*ducks*

Everybody misses the whole underling story here...
Those two topless girls were not jumping off the boat.. The were pushed by Marilyn Monroe..Quit the scandal at the Cape

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:18:48pm

I read a book years ago that insinuated that it was the mob who "wanted Cuba back" you know, for their gambling interests etc.

And to find out yesterday that Ms. Geller was the one who coined "nirth certificate"

Stupid lady.

S.D. Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:19:00pm

Nice that it's been exposed in such a great fashion!

DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:19:38pm

re: #48 HoosierHoops

Everybody misses the whole underling story here...
Those two topless girls were not jumping off the boat.. The were pushed by Marilyn Monroe..Quit the scandal at the Cape

The man was Ted Kennedy. The girls were preparing to go for a ride with him. /

Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:20:13pm

re: #43 SpaceJesus

i want to photoshop a picture of geller reading a book about common sense.

i don't think anybody would fall for it though...

The Beck book, maybe?
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:20:19pm

So, the photo which purportedly claimed JFK was in the company of many scantily clad women, and who gave rise to the 60s phrase of Climbing Mt. Marilyn long before Sanford's "hiking the Appalachian" was a fake. Tis a pity.

Whoever was in those photos did seem to have good taste.

Gang of One Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:20:21pm

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

We'll always have ~~Paris~~ ~~Cuba~~ Pam.

Baier Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:20:33pm

re: #38 SixDegrees

That just happened.

And a movie, too.

I saw the photos first and thought, wow, what a beauty. Then I saw the video of her smoking. Yuck.

rwmofo Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:20:50pm

re: #47 MandyManners

Why would people believe authentication by a site that treats Paris Hilton as legitimate news?

Cuz when there's a mug shot of an entertainer, we have this certain curiosity. How many hits have there been of Nick Nolte - post DUI?

lawhawk Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:21:41pm

re: #47 MandyManners

/like the National Enquirer.... best damned investigative journalists... sure the NYT can get a scoop every now and then, but you always have to go to the hot sheets. /Kay (MIB... you didn't see me, and I was never here).

MandyManners Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:23:53pm

re: #57 lawhawk

/like the National Enquirer... best damned investigative journalists... sure the NYT can get a scoop every now and then, but you always have to go to the hot sheets. /Kay (MIB... you didn't see me, and I was never here).

Didn't the National Enquirer scoop everyone on Edwards?

Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:24:06pm

Geller's post about the Evil Christmas Tree is duplicated today at wacko site Newsmax.

MandyManners Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:24:16pm

re: #56 rwmofo

Cuz when there's a mug shot of an entertainer, we have this certain curiosity. How many hits have there been of Nick Nolte - post DUI?

Oh, that image! *cringe*

lawhawk Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:25:47pm

re: #58 MandyManners

Yes, they did..

TMZ got hoodwinked on this one in a big way.

rwmofo Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:26:10pm

re: #58 MandyManners

Didn't the National Enquirer scoop everyone on Edwards?

Yes, but I bet the MSM knew all along, however that story didn't fit their collective templates. Swap parties and the NY Times breaks it and runs it on their front page for two weeks.

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:26:38pm

re: #27 HelloDare

Quick, somebody photoshop a gilded body jumping into the water. You know, like the woman on the top of Gellers web page.

One better.

MandyManners Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:26:42pm

re: #61 lawhawk

Yes, they did..

TMZ got hoodwinked on this one in a big way.

I wonder where they got the "experts" and how much TMZ paid for the photograph.

Varek Raith Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:26:50pm

TMZ, Shrieking Harpy = LOL Epic Fail.
:)

Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:26:59pm

re: #58 MandyManners

Didn't the National Enquirer scoop everyone on Edwards?

IIRC, they did a nice job on the OJ trial as well.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:27:13pm

re: #19 SixDegrees

WTF? Who's "we"? The United States? When did we ever "have" Cuba? I somehow missed it being wrested from our "ownership." Seems like it would have been big news.

And how would Kennedy losing the Presidency have changed...well, what really happened? I certainly don't recall the Cuban Revolution taking place while Kennedy was in office. By the time he arrived on the scene, Cuba was already a Soviet client-state.

What fantasy universe does this woman live in?

After the Spanish-American war, the U.S. permitted Cuba to declare independence, but maintained a lot of influence, also Guantanamo, which we figured would come in handy one of these days. We never owned it, per se.

Maybe she's talking about the Bay of Pigs affair in some random, Pamelesque way.

MandyManners Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:27:30pm

re: #62 rwmofo

Yes, but I bet the MSM knew all along, however that story didn't fit their collective templates. Swap parties and the NY Times breaks it and runs it on their front page for two weeks.

The MFM might not have known about Edwards. Remember when Gary Hart dared the MFM to follow him?

Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:28:08pm

I'm confused... I was out this morning, running a few errands, and I heard on the radio that Homeland Security this morning said the system failed... is that like the system worked before the system failed?

MandyManners Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:28:30pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

After the Spanish-American war, the U.S. permitted Cuba to declare independence, but maintained a lot of influence, also Guantanamo, which we figured would come in handy one of these days. We never owned it, per se.

Maybe she's talking about the Bay of Pigs affair in some random, Pamelesque way.

IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK SOMEWHERE!

Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:29:14pm

re: #19 SixDegrees

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

I highly recommend this book:

Havana Nocturne: How the Mob Owned Cuba and Then Lost It to the Revolution (Hardcover)

MandyManners Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:29:14pm

re: #69 Walter L. Newton

I'm confused... I was out this morning, running a few errands, and I heard on the radio that Homeland Security this morning said the system failed... is that like the system worked before the system failed?

Napalitano was clarifying.

Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:30:02pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel

One better.

LOL!

That was quick!

Like it better than the Supergirl one!

sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:30:12pm

re: #69 Walter L. Newton

I'm confused... I was out this morning, running a few errands, and I heard on the radio that Homeland Security this morning said the system failed... is that like the system worked before the system failed?

Programs here

Get Your Programs Here

Can't tell one player from another without your programs!!

(reverting to my youth hawking souvenir programs at games)

rwmofo Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:30:43pm

re: #64 MandyManners

I wonder where they got the "experts" and how much TMZ paid for the photograph.

Mandy, you've given me a great idea. I'm going to update my resume by replacing the job titles I've had over the years with "Expert." Who needs an engineer when you can get an expert? Thank you very much.

lawhawk Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:31:21pm

Oh, and the new in-flight procedures imposed after the Mutallab attack have been lifted.

DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:32:21pm

re: #75 rwmofo

Mandy, you've given me a great idea. I'm going to update my resume by replacing the job titles I've had over the years with "Expert." Who needs an engineer when you can get an expert? Thank you very much.

Expert mailroom clerk just doesn't have the same impact. /

Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:32:21pm

re: #72 MandyManners

Napalitano was clarifying.

Was it actually Napalitano who revised her statement? The radio report I heard just said Homeland Security said the system failed, they didn't mention that it was a statement from Napalitano.

I did hear the whole interview from yesterday with Couric. Couric gave Napalitano every chance in hell to "revise" her statement yesterday, Napalitano just went full steam ahead.

Embarrassing in my opinion.

rwmofo Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:32:47pm

re: #77 DaddyG

Expert mailroom clerk just doesn't have the same impact. /

Heh.

sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:33:38pm

re: #76 lawhawk

Oh, and the new in-flight procedures imposed after the Mutallab attack have been lifted.

Procedures don't have the shelf life they had when I was a kid!

Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:33:45pm

Breaking news!

It was really Mao on that boat!

MandyManners Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:33:52pm

re: #70 MandyManners

IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK SOMEWHERE!

*meow*

DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:34:04pm

re: #76 lawhawk

Oh, and the new in-flight procedures imposed after the Mutallab attack have been lifted.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because federal safety officials had not publicly announced the changes.

Take that with a grain of salt. Lifting restrictions is up to individual airports and airlines. The last time I heard the ban on knives 2" or less was lifed I got to choose between having my thumbdrive pocket knife confiscated or the blade broken off.

Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:34:31pm

re: #81 Gus 802

LOL!

I love it.

(I have zero photoshop skills)

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:34:44pm

re: #77 DaddyG

Expert mailroom clerk just doesn't have the same impact. /

Internal communications expert and delivery system liaison.

SixDegrees Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:34:56pm

re: #69 Walter L. Newton

I'm confused... I was out this morning, running a few errands, and I heard on the radio that Homeland Security this morning said the system failed... is that like the system worked before the system failed?

Yeah, it's exactly like that.

According to Napolitano, today's statement that the system failed was a "clarification" of her statement yesterday that the system worked.

lawhawk Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:34:59pm

The NY Daily News has the name of at least one of these experts:

Multiple experts who examined a scan of the original print concluded that the photo appeared authentic. TMZ reports that no evidence of Photoshopping was found after the experts studied the image for inconsistent lighting, photo composition and other forms of manipulation.
Forensic photo expert Prof. Jeff Sedlik told TMZ that the actual print appears authentic as well. He says the paper on which the photo is printed appears consistent with the brands used in the '50s. The print's emulsion includes cracks that seem to have developed over time.

Sedlik also superimposed on the photo an image of Kennedy taken at the Democratic National Convention in August 1956. Taken just days before he embarked on his Mediterranean cruise, the convention photo's features match those of the new yacht image, Sedlik says.

Two Kennedy biographers also told TMZ that after examining the image, they believe the man to be JFK.

MandyManners Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:34:59pm

re: #76 lawhawk

Oh, and the new in-flight procedures imposed after the Mutallab attack have been lifted.

What? They just throw something out there to see how it's recieved and then yank it back when it's not popular?

Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:35:11pm

re: #84 Ben Hur

LOL!

I love it.

(I have zero photoshop skills)

Yeah, I made the head a little extra big. And he's awake!

DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:35:27pm

re: #81 Gus 802

Breaking news!

It was really Mao on that boat!

//

No.. That is just the fat Elvis.

MandyManners Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:35:34pm

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

Was it actually Napalitano who revised her statement? The radio report I heard just said Homeland Security said the system failed, they didn't mention that it was a statement from Napalitano.

I did hear the whole interview from yesterday with Couric. Couric gave Napalitano every chance in hell to "revise" her statement yesterday, Napalitano just went full steam ahead.

Embarrassing in my opinion.

Well, Napalitano *is* HSA.

Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:35:39pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

Internal communications expert and delivery system liaison.

My fav for one of those chairs:

"Our mobility experts are standing by now for your call........"

Baier Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:35:43pm

TMZ has retracted the story.

SixDegrees Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:35:44pm

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

Was it actually Napalitano who revised her statement? The radio report I heard just said Homeland Security said the system failed, they didn't mention that it was a statement from Napalitano.

I did hear the whole interview from yesterday with Couric. Couric gave Napalitano every chance in hell to "revise" her statement yesterday, Napalitano just went full steam ahead.

Embarrassing in my opinion.

It was Napolitano today, too. I heard it myself on NPR.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:36:01pm

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

Was it actually Napalitano who revised her statement? The radio report I heard just said Homeland Security said the system failed, they didn't mention that it was a statement from Napalitano.

I did hear the whole interview from yesterday with Couric. Couric gave Napalitano every chance in hell to "revise" her statement yesterday, Napalitano just went full steam ahead.

Embarrassing in my opinion.

Agreed.

(no sarc tag)

Wasn't Couric being unfair? Asking her trick questions she wouldn't have asked a man? Setting her up? Implying she's a hick? I bet she asked what magazines Napolitano reads.

(sarc tag)

DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:36:23pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

Internal communications expert and delivery system liaison.

Will you take a look at my resume? /

Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:36:44pm

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

Was it actually Napalitano who revised her statement? The radio report I heard just said Homeland Security said the system failed, they didn't mention that it was a statement from Napalitano.

I did hear the whole interview from yesterday with Couric. Couric gave Napalitano every chance in hell to "revise" her statement yesterday, Napalitano just went full steam ahead.

Embarrassing in my opinion.

Here we go again.

Napolitano said, quote, "once this incident occurred, everything happened that should have." She was very obviously NOT saying that the system worked because the passengers tackled the terrorist.

It was clumsily worded, and immediately seized on by right wing bloggers (of course), and today she clarified it. Yes, clarified it.

Cathypop Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:36:52pm

O.T. My LGF calendar just arrived. Beautiful! Well done Charles.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:36:56pm

re: #88 MandyManners

What? They just throw something out there to see how it's recieved and then yank it back when it's not popular?

Yeah. Act hysterical. Then realize that won't work.

God, I love having experts in charge of this sort of thing!

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rwmofo Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:37:39pm

re: #68 MandyManners

The MFM might not have known about Edwards. Remember when Gary Hart dared the MFM to follow him?

Yeah. I don't know if they knew prior to the dare, but ask him today what he regrets.

OTOH, has the MSM reported Senator Baucus' drunken rant? Imagine if that had been Gingrich or Delay.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:37:47pm

re: #93 Baier

TMZ has retracted the story.

TMZ does well. Wingnutosphere, take note of how it is done!

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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:38:09pm

re: #98 Cathypop

O.T. My LGF calendar just arrived. Beautiful! Well done Charles.

Thank you, Cathy! I was impressed with the quality myself -- Lulu.com does a good job.

May it serve you well.

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Mich-again Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:38:18pm

re: #75 rwmofo

Mandy, you've given me a great idea. I'm going to update my resume by replacing the job titles I've had over the years with "Expert." Who needs an engineer when you can get an expert? Thank you very much.

An expert is anyone who's from out of town.

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Summer Seale Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:38:24pm

What is amazing to me about all of this is how it shows the Right wing suddenly feels that it's gloves off for anyone who wasn't a "conservative" - even dead presidents who are revered by the nation.

Remember them booing FDR's name during the latest "protest" in DC about health care reform?

You wouldn't get that a few years ago. You might have had some Conservatives grumbling a bit at the mentioned names and saying something about how such and such policy was a bad idea, or whatever, but you didn't have them showing complete lack of respect for FDR or JFK. Now it appears that this has changed as well and anyone who wasn't a "conservative" was just a "traitor".

It's complete and utter insanity.

But we know this already because, as I stated the other day, their political rallying cry has become "kill the other side" - AKA "lock and load".

Truly batshit crazy.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:38:30pm

re: #96 DaddyG

Will you take a look at my resume? /

Heck, why not? I'm bored with my husband's.

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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:39:26pm

In the comments at TMZ, several wingnuts have posted that they're glad JFK was assassinated.

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DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:40:03pm

re: #104 Summer In fairness, my Grandma was booing FDR when he was alive.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:40:14pm

re: #104 Summer

What is amazing to me about all of this is how it shows the Right wing suddenly feels that it's gloves off for anyone who wasn't a "conservative" - even dead presidents who are revered by the nation.

Remember them booing FDR's name during the latest "protest" in DC about health care reform?

You wouldn't get that a few years ago. You might have had some Conservatives grumbling a bit at the mentioned names and saying something about how such and such policy was a bad idea, or whatever, but you didn't have them showing complete lack of respect for FDR or JFK. Now it appears that this has changed as well and anyone who wasn't a "conservative" was just a "traitor".

It's complete and utter insanity.

But we know this already because, as I stated the other day, their political rallying cry has become "kill the other side" - AKA "lock and load".

Truly batshit crazy.

When I found out that the right-wing fringe is trashing Lincoln, I got worried.

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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:40:26pm

re: #106 Charles

In the comments at TMZ, several wingnuts have posted that they're glad JFK was assassinated.

Sigh, it really says something when one is no longer shocked by this craziness...

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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:40:29pm

re: #97 Charles

Here we go again.

Napolitano said, quote, "once this incident occurred, everything happened that should have." She was very obviously NOT saying that the system worked because the passengers tackled the terrorist.

It was clumsily worded, and immediately seized on by right wing bloggers (of course), and today she clarified it. Yes, clarified it.

Folks should remember as well that the jihad-kebab boarded the flight in Amsterdam, where our system is not operating.

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DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:40:52pm

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

Heck, why not? I'm bored with my husband's.

Must resist "that's what she said" must resist "in bed." /

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:41:19pm

re: #107 DaddyG

In fairness, my Grandma was booing FDR when he was alive.

I think people who actually remember his presidency can get a dispensation.

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Mich-again Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:41:29pm

re: #104 Summer

Its an old Bircher meme that FDR was looking out more for papa Joe than anyone else leading up to WWII and that he willingly allowed Pearl Harbor to happen to rouse the USA to war. Old stuff there.

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DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:41:45pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

When I found out that the right-wing fringe is trashing Lincoln, I got worried.

That whole Emansuhpasion thing was a commie plot! /

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MandyManners Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:42:02pm

re: #100 rwmofo

Yeah. I don't know if they knew prior to the dare, but ask him today what he regrets.

OTOH, has the MSM reported Senator Baucus' drunken rant? Imagine if that had been Gingrich or Delay.

I hadn't heard that one.

Noticed how the MFM let slide his trying to appoint his girlfriend as a U.S. Attorney General for Montana?

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Mich-again Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:42:16pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

When I found out that the right-wing fringe is trashing Lincoln, I got worried.

Oh yeah, the paleocons hate Lincoln too. Sam Francis, Joe Sobran, Pat Buchanan..

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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:42:22pm

re: #106 Charles

LBJ admirers? Didn't know he had any, let alone that they would call themselves conservatives.

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Digital Display Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:42:48pm

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

Was it actually Napalitano who revised her statement? The radio report I heard just said Homeland Security said the system failed, they didn't mention that it was a statement from Napalitano.

I did hear the whole interview from yesterday with Couric. Couric gave Napalitano every chance in hell to "revise" her statement yesterday, Napalitano just went full steam ahead.

Embarrassing in my opinion.

We must still determine if this was system failure or Human failure..You can have the best system put in place and still have a human error failure...
it's unfair to place the blame on Janet N. at this time.. Our security has been evolving since 911...This is truely a teaching moment for all of us.

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Kragar Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:43:04pm

re: #116 Mich-again

Oh yeah, the paleocons hate Lincoln too. Sam Francis, Joe Sobran, Pat Buchanan..

aka douchebags

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Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:43:04pm

re: #115 MandyManners

I hadn't heard that one.

Noticed how the MFM let slide his trying to appoint his girlfriend as a U.S. Attorney General for Montana?

Only Republicans moralize.

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Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:43:10pm

OT - Breaking.

Obama will be making a public statement regarding Flight 253.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:43:50pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel

Folks should remember as well that the jihad-kebab boarded the flight in Amsterdam, where our system is not operating.

Back when it was in the news, my dad worked a little on a song about Richard Reid, to the tune of "Rhinestone Cowboy"--"With an airplane ticket and some C-4 in my shoe..." Reid boarded in Paris, BTW.

Has the Netherlands issued any statement about this?

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Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:43:54pm

re: #121 Gus 802

OT - Breaking.

Obama will be making a public statement regarding Flight 253.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Impossible.

It says he's on vacation.

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:44:48pm

re: #97 Charles

Here we go again.

Napolitano said, quote, "once this incident occurred, everything happened that should have." She was very obviously NOT saying that the system worked because the passengers tackled the terrorist.

It was clumsily worded, and immediately seized on by right wing bloggers (of course), and today she clarified it. Yes, clarified it.

Then guess what Charles, the MSM need to "clarify" how they are reporting it, because I haven't gone to any "right wing bloggers" sites, since I don't frequent them.

I am simply recounting what I heard on the radio, last night and then this morning.

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DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:44:51pm

Will Obama answer the important questions about the underwear bomber?

Boxers or Briefs?

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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:44:59pm

re: #121 Gus 802

OT - Breaking.

Obama will be making a public statement regarding Flight 253.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

"We have the terrorist in custody and he will prosecuted to the full extent of the law. We would fry his ass but, well, it's already been done."

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rwmofo Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:45:20pm

re: #115 MandyManners

I hadn't heard that one.

Noticed how the MFM let slide his trying to appoint his girlfriend as a U.S. Attorney General for Montana?

Baucus drunk on the Senate floor.

What do ya think? Listen to how he tries to pronounce "Senator."

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Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:45:27pm

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it's amazing that they let him on the plane without a passport.

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albusteve Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:45:38pm

re: #121 Gus 802

OT - Breaking.

Obama will be making a public statement regarding Flight 253.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

maybe he will outline needed Change! with a program of profiling passengers and visa requests etc....then maybe not

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Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:46:01pm

re: #126 Shiplord Kirel

"We have the terrorist in custody and he will prosecuted to the full extent of the law. We would fry his ass but, well, it's already been done."

I guess he already made a statement. Can't find a video just yet.

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DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:46:02pm

re: #127 rwmofo

Baucus drunk on the Senate floor.

What do ya think? Listen to how he tries to pronounce "Senator."

Seriously, they ought to check him for a stroke.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:46:05pm

re: #116 Mich-again

Oh yeah, the paleocons hate Lincoln too. Sam Francis, Joe Sobran, Pat Buchanan..

Well, more normal-type conservatives had been telling me for years about The Party of Lincoln, and throwing the Southern Democrats in my face, so I just assumed that all right-wing types liked Lincoln. It was, you know, a point of contact. Something we could all agree on, no matter what.

Then I found out about this diLorenzo person speaking at CPAC, and a couple more hairs turned gray.

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Kragar Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:46:07pm

re: #126 Shiplord Kirel

"We have the terrorist in custody and he will prosecuted to the full extent of the law. We would fry his ass but, well, it's already been done."

"Rectum? Damn near killed him."

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:46:18pm

re: #118 HoosierHoops

We must still determine if this was system failure or Human failure..You can have the best system put in place and still have a human error failure...
it's unfair to place the blame on Janet N. at this time.. Our security has been evolving since 911...This is truely a teaching moment for all of us.

Did I place any blame on anyone? Show me where? I was recounting what I heard on the MSM, on one report last night which played the Couric interview and a report on ABC radio news this morning about the "clarification."

I simply said it was embarrassing.

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ryannon Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:47:12pm

re: #31 Rightwingconspirator

If it were not for Carter the secular Iranians would still have Iran.

If it wasn't for Washington, America would still be a British possession.

History is chiefly about troublemakers.

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Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:47:56pm

re: #130 Gus 802

:)

I guess he already made a statement. Can't find a video just yet.

Video here.

Youtube Video

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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:47:59pm

re: #118 HoosierHoops

We must still determine if this was system failure or Human failure..You can have the best system put in place and still have a human error failure...
it's unfair to place the blame on Janet N. at this time.. Our security has been evolving since 911...This is truely a teaching moment for all of us.

I don't think Walter was "blaming" anyone about anything. He heard a radio report and was relaying it and asking what happened, as he's been out

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Mich-again Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:48:00pm

It would be interesting but not in a good way if TMZ dug up some old photos proving the claims that LBJ was really a weirdo who liked to hang out in the oval office and even on Air Force 1 in the nude. Can't even imagine how the press would treat a story like that nowadays.

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Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:48:03pm

re: #135 ryannon

If it wasn't for Washington, America would still be a British possession.

History is chiefly about troublemakers.

If it wasn't for the British......

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:48:14pm

re: #128 Ben Hur

I think it's amazing that they let him on the plane without a passport.

Makes no sense at all.

I heard something to the effect that he was presented to the airline people as a Somali refugee or something--but this is from one of those 'a Real American Couple who were on the flight reported' stories, and I haven't seen any actual media confirmation.

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wrenchwench Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:48:41pm

re: #126 Shiplord Kirel

"We have the terrorist in custody and he will prosecuted to the full extent of the law. We would fry his ass but, ~~well~~, it's already been well done."

Rearranged that for you.

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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:48:53pm

What did the Romans ever do for us?

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SteveMcG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:48:56pm

re: #118 HoosierHoops

I once had a guy from Bell Helicopter fly first class from Fort Worth to Philadelphia to deliver a hand made template for a piece of weather stripping because they could not fax me a drawing. One of the things he told me was that you can never blame an individual. Doesn't matter how dumb the operator was, how hungover, whatever, the corrective action always has to address the system. I guess the reason for that is that the operator must have been poorly swupervised or trained, and that would be a flaw of the system.

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DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:49:12pm

re: #139 Ben Hur

If it wasn't for the British...

If it weren't for the Vikings policy of kidnapping and rape the English would be a much uglier people today. /

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andres Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:49:18pm

re: #19 SixDegrees

WTF? Who's "we"? The United States? When did we ever "have" Cuba? I somehow missed it being wrested from our "ownership." Seems like it would have been big news.

The closest the US was about to get Cuba was in 1898. The US did get another territory. I wonder what happened to it... =P

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HelloDare Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:49:47pm

re: #127 rwmofo

Baucus drunk on the Senate floor.

What do ya think? Listen to how he tries to pronounce "Senator."

Bacchus

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What, me worry? Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:49:48pm

re: #108 SanFranciscoZionist

When I found out that the right-wing fringe is trashing Lincoln, I got worried.

It wasn't until I started going to rightwing blogs years ago that I heard a lot of anti-JFK and anti-Lincoln talk which I always found disturbing. I never heard or met anyone who didn't mourn the death of JFK and Bobby or didn't feel that Lincoln was one of our greatest presidents. It was an eye opener.

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Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:49:53pm

re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist

Makes no sense at all.

I heard something to the effect that he was presented to the airline people as a Somali refugee or something--but this is from one of those 'a Real American Couple who were on the flight reported' stories, and I haven't seen any actual media confirmation.

I guess they security didn't want to be like those evil Merkins and profile.

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DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:50:17pm

re: #138 Mich-again

It would be interesting but not in a good way if TMZ dug up some old photos proving the claims that LBJ was really a weirdo who liked to hang out in the oval office and even on Air Force 1 in the nude. Can't even imagine how the press would treat a story like that nowadays.

How about an expose on Ben Franklins nudist practices while in France?

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:50:21pm

re: #138 Mich-again

It would be interesting but not in a good way if TMZ dug up some old photos proving the claims that LBJ was really a weirdo who liked to hang out in the oval office and even on Air Force 1 in the nude. Can't even imagine how the press would treat a story like that nowadays.

I probably like LBJ more than many people on this forum, but I do not want to see pictures of him in the nude, even for historical purposes, if that is OK with everyone.

"We gave the country Lyndon Johnson, and you cowards gave him right back."

--Molly Ivins

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Kragar Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:50:21pm

re: #142 oaktree

What did the Romans ever do for us?

//

Roads?

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Digital Display Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:50:24pm

re: #127 rwmofo

Baucus drunk on the Senate floor.

What do ya think? Listen to how he tries to pronounce "Senator."

It would have been more funny if he had a glass of booze in one hand an cigar in the other telling stories about how they always called him Tots, Tatter Tots. I mean I would vote Max best 5 Ron White impersonations of the year..

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:50:40pm

re: #139 Ben Hur

If it wasn't for the British...

The map of the Middle East would look different.

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Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:50:43pm

re: #144 DaddyG

If it weren't for the Vikings policy of kidnapping and rape the English would be a much uglier people today. /

Small Island.

Small gene pool.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:51:31pm

re: #106 Charles

My main beef with JFK is that women wanted to get naked for him!

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What, me worry? Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:51:40pm

re: #122 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd love to meet you and your 'rents one day :)

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SixDegrees Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:51:43pm

re: #124 Walter L. Newton

Then guess what Charles, the MSM need to "clarify" how they are reporting it, because I haven't gone to any "right wing bloggers" sites, since I don't frequent them.

I am simply recounting what I heard on the radio, last night and then this morning.

NPR and CNN are both reporting today's statement as a reversal of her statement yesterday. One of NPR's reporters went so far as to call it an "embarrassing" reversal and derided her announcement of upcoming investigations as reaching for a political fig leaf.

Meanwhile, evidence that the intelligence system that's supposed to be "connecting the dots" is having trouble even holding onto it's crayons.

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Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:51:50pm

re: #147 marjoriemoon

It wasn't until I started going to rightwing blogs years ago that I heard a lot of anti-JFK and anti-Lincoln talk which I always found disturbing. I never heard or met anyone who didn't mourn the death of JFK and Bobby or didn't feel that Lincoln was one of our greatest presidents. It was an eye opener.

Funny, I've only heard in recently.

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:51:55pm

re: #149 DaddyG

How about an expose on Ben Franklins nudist practices while in France?

How about not?

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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:51:58pm

re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Aqueducts?

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wrenchwench Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:52:01pm

re: #93 Baier

TMZ has retracted the story.

They said the photo is actually from Playboy, but they refrain from saying that's not JFK.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:52:01pm

re: #142 oaktree

What did the Romans ever do for us?

//

Destroyed the Second Temple, and broke a lot of glass. (Why is it that only Israel has this 'Roman glass jewelry' thing going on, BTW?)

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albusteve Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:52:01pm

re: #149 DaddyG

How about an expose on Ben Franklins nudist practices while in France?

he was a goul too...saw it on TV, that's how he learned his anatomy

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DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:52:02pm

re: #147 marjoriemoon

It wasn't until I started going to rightwing blogs years ago that I heard a lot of anti-JFK and anti-Lincoln talk which I always found disturbing. I never heard or met anyone who didn't mourn the death of JFK and Bobby or didn't feel that Lincoln was one of our greatest presidents. It was an eye opener.

The interwebs are the ultimate equalizer. Even the stupidest among us can broadcast their opinions areound the world instantly.

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Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:52:52pm

He, Obama, also comments on Iran.

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:53:06pm

re: #157 SixDegrees

NPR and CNN are both reporting today's statement as a reversal of her statement yesterday. One of NPR's reporters went so far as to call it an "embarrassing" reversal and derided her announcement of upcoming investigations as reaching for a political fig leaf.

Meanwhile, evidence that the intelligence system that's supposed to be "connecting the dots" is having trouble even holding onto it's crayons.

Well, evidently not everyone sees it as a reversal.

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Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:53:25pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

Destroyed the Second Temple, and broke a lot of glass. (Why is it that only Israel has this 'Roman glass jewelry' thing going on, BTW?)

And chopped down all the trees.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:53:29pm

re: #148 Ben Hur

I guess they security didn't want to be like those evil Merkins and profile.

I'm OK with profiling, to the extent that anyone whose profile does not include a passport or some reasonable equivalent document should not be getting on a damn plane.

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Kragar Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:53:41pm

re: #160 oaktree

Aqueducts?

Irrigation? Sanitation?

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:53:59pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

Destroyed the Second Temple, and broke a lot of glass. (Why is it that only Israel has this 'Roman glass jewelry' thing going on, BTW?)

What?

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Digital Display Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:54:08pm

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

Did I place any blame on anyone? Show me where? I was recounting what I heard on the MSM, on one report last night which played the Couric interview and a report on ABC radio news this morning about the "clarification."

I simply said it was embarrassing.

Hey Walter..I love ya man.. Still another week of vacation left and so I poked you...Hope you are well.. It's really cold here..
/What good is a dog that won't fetch you a beer? Is he defective? I tell Winston! Another Bud Light! and he runs around in circles..Maybe I should trade him in..*wink*

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SteveMcG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:54:08pm

re: #169 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Toga parties?

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albusteve Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:54:09pm

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My main beef with JFK is that women wanted to get naked for him!

I'm extremely suspicious of just how he got run over by a Japanese destroyer.....seems utterly impossible if he was following strict protocol

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DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:55:01pm

re: #161 wrenchwench

They said the photo is actually from Playboy, but they refrain from saying that's not JFK.

The photo is from 1967 and I don't think it was titled "Weekend at JFKs"

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wrenchwench Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:55:20pm

re: #98 Cathypop

O.T. My LGF calendar just arrived. Beautiful! Well done Charles.

I got mine today too. It accomplished what I thought impossible: made me miss California.

A little bit.

Parts of it.

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SteveMcG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:55:21pm

re: #173 albusteve

If the swiftboaters only got started forty years earlier...

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Kragar Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:55:44pm

re: #174 DaddyG

The photo is from 1967 and I don't think it was titled "Weekend at JFKs"

Unless the assassination was faked! Its all falling into place now!

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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:55:58pm

Have a good evening Lizards. Off to play cribbage.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:56:16pm

re: #154 Ben Hur

Small Island.

Small gene pool.

Bigger gene pool than you might expect, really.

Years ago I read a 'Guide to Ethnic London', which talked about the black community in London in the 1700s, which mostly consisted of emancipated slaves. For various historical reasons, almost all men. The author commented that what happened to this community of several thousand is a mystery.

Mystery my ass. Crossbreed one Ibo guy with four generations of blond barmaid, and we have, well, London.

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wrenchwench Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:56:28pm

re: #174 DaddyG

The photo is from 1967 and I don't think it was titled "Weekend at JFKs"

Appeared in Playboy in '67.

Oh, wait. 1967 photo shoot. OK, they didn't need to say it...

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rwmofo Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:56:32pm

re: #173 albusteve

I'm extremely suspicious of just how he got run over by a Japanese destroyer...seems utterly impossible if he was following strict protocol

I think that picture from TMZ/Playboy proves that he wasn't paying attention.

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Gang of One Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:56:48pm

re: #160 oaktree

Aqueducts?

The Mexica (Aztecs) built one in Tenochtitlan, then-Mexico City, in the 15th century, just before Cortes arrived.

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albusteve Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:57:28pm

re: #176 SteveMcG

If the swiftboaters only got started forty years earlier...

there you have it....it is a very strange story, records lost, testimony twisted around...and even a medal in the end

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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:57:32pm

re: #164 DaddyG

The interwebs are the ultimate equalizer. Even the stupidest among us can broadcast their opinions areound the world instantly.

I prove that on a daily,, no ,, HOURLY basis!

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:58:20pm

re: #170 Walter L. Newton

What?

The Israeli chachka industry produces giant amounts of silver jewelry set with 'Roman glass'--ie, Roman-era glass pieces, which they dig up in huge quantities from the archaelogical sites. I just wondered why no one else seems to have a Roman glass jewelry industry.

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lawhawk Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:58:21pm

Here's Sedlik's CV

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Mark Pennington Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:58:22pm

re: #121 Gus 802

OT - Breaking.

Obama will be making a public statement regarding Flight 253.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

I posted this in the previous entry:

Well, according to Michelle Malkin...this Obama bastard is a disgrace for not wearing a tie at his press conference and he did not call for revenge on all brown people.

Update 3pm Eastern. Obama doesn’t bother to wear a tie. He hastily reads a belated statement describing the incident like a small-town sheriff’s deputy rather than the leader of the free world. He ticks off investigative steps in a perfunctory, plodding, bloodless manner. “We will continue to every element of our national power to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat the violent extremists…anywhere where they are plotting attacks against Americans.”

Eyes down on his paper the whole time — not looking at the camera and directing his statements at our enemies.

He talks about “resilience” as a foreign concept, not something he believes in in his heart.

Rushes through the end of his statement with a postscript about the violence in Iran.

Couldn’t get off the podium fast enough.

Inspiring.

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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:59:04pm

re: #171 HoosierHoops

tell Winston! Another Bud Light! and he runs around in circles..Maybe I should trade him in..*wink*

He's just confused. you're telling himto bring you a beer then point to the Bud light !?!?!?

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Ben Hur Mon, Dec 28, 2009 12:59:28pm

Merry Crisis and Happy New Fear.

Outty.

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DaddyG Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:00:28pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

The Israeli chachka industry produces giant amounts of silver jewelry set with 'Roman glass'--ie, Roman-era glass pieces, which they dig up in huge quantities from the archaelogical sites. I just wondered why no one else seems to have a Roman glass jewelry industry.

The Vatican discourages digging in the basement for trinkets?

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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:02:29pm

re: #190 DaddyG

The Vatican discourages digging in the basement for trinkets?

Dungeoneering is a time-honored tradition!.. Though, the lack of mythical creatures does make it rather boring...
/

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Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:04:08pm

re: #187 beekiller

Oh good lord. The woman is nuts. Like I said before, damned if you do, and damned if you don't. I found Obama's comments rather forceful and to the point. He also mentioned our "enemies" and "those that would attack our homeland" including calling out terrorism. I guess everything is relevant to "the eye of the beholder." Nothing will satisfy Malkin and her ilk. They will stop at nothing even if it means lowering the tone of the discussion to a pathetic "fashion review."

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What, me worry? Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:04:32pm

re: #164 DaddyG

The interwebs are the ultimate equalizer. Even the stupidest among us can broadcast their opinions areound the world instantly.

Of course. I do it all the time :)

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What, me worry? Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:06:10pm

OT: I was eating a Mallomar and started to choke. Like seriously choke. Like I couldn't breath. I was debating calling 911 choking.

I'm fine btw, but it occurred to me that that would have been death by chocolate!

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Achilles Tang Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:06:28pm

I just looked at this post. The face that is supposed to be Kennedy could just as easily be this one.

Kennedy on Mars

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Digital Display Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:07:30pm

re: #188 sattv4u2

tell Winston! Another Bud Light! and he runs around in circles..Maybe I should trade him in..*wink*

He's just confused. you're telling himto bring you a beer then point to the Bud light !?!?!?

//

You know what is funny..A couple days before Christmas they had that Stupid song of the dogs barking jingle bells on TV...Winston went crazy...Running around the house looking for Dogie Christmas Carolers breaking into the house...

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webevintage Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:07:50pm

There has been a lot of "changing history" going on lately.

This weekend Mary Maitlin said:
"MATALIN: I was there, we inherited a recession from President Clinton and we inherited the most tragic attack on our own soil in our nation’s history."
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

I'm assuming what she means is that it was Clinton's fault and not that 9/11 did not happen while Bill Clinton was President, but with Republicans lately you just can't be sure. Of course Dana Perino said earlier this that no terrorist attacks happened on Bush's watch.

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wrenchwench Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:08:17pm

re: #194 marjoriemoon

OT: I was eating a Mallomar and started to choke. Like seriously choke. Like I couldn't breath. I was debating calling 911 choking.

I'm fine btw, but it occurred to me that that would have been death by chocolate!

Did you Heimlich yourself? Glad you're OK!

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Mark Pennington Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:08:23pm

re: #192 Gus 802

Oh good lord. The woman is nuts. Like I said before, damned if you do, and damned if you don't. I found Obama's comments rather forceful and to the point. He also mentioned our "enemies" and "those that would attack our homeland" including calling out terrorism. I guess everything is relevant to "the eye of the beholder." Nothing will satisfy Malkin and her ilk. They will stop at nothing even if it means lowering the tone of the discussion to a pathetic "fashion review."

You're right, nothing would satisfy her because she hates his guts with every fiber of her being.

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What, me worry? Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:09:50pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

The Israeli chachka industry produces giant amounts of silver jewelry set with 'Roman glass'--ie, Roman-era glass pieces, which they dig up in huge quantities from the archaelogical sites. I just wondered why no one else seems to have a Roman glass jewelry industry.

hehe Some people see garbage, other people see gems :)

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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:11:42pm

re: #194 marjoriemoon

OT: I was eating a Mallomar and started to choke. Like seriously choke. Like I couldn't breath. I was debating calling 911 choking.

I'm fine btw, but it occurred to me that that would have been death by chocolate!

I'm glad you're okay

Are the remaining Mallomars okay? If so, I think I should take them for your own safety!

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What, me worry? Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:13:29pm

re: #198 wrenchwench

Did you Heimlich yourself? Glad you're OK!

It was scary! Little piece of cookie, but my throat felt like it was closing. I drank water and tried to remain calm. How bizarre.

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What, me worry? Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:14:59pm

re: #201 sattv4u2

I'm glad you're okay

Are the remaining Mallomars okay? If so, I think I should take them for your own safety!

Don't touch my Mallomars :p

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ryannon Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:15:21pm

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

Heck, why not? I'm bored with my husband's.

Must. Refrain. Myself.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:16:01pm

re: #182 Gang of One

The Mexica (Aztecs) built one in Tenochtitlan, then-Mexico City, in the 15th century, just before Cortes arrived.

But they didn't build them in Europe. Then again, the Romans didn't build them in the U.S.--OK, now I'm confused. What was the original point? Oh, yeah. What have the Romans ever done for us.

Well, what have they done for us LATELY?

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What, me worry? Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:17:09pm

re: #204 ryannon

Must. Refrain. Myself.

I had to track back!

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Digital Display Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:17:28pm

re: #202 marjoriemoon

It was scary! Little piece of cookie, but my throat felt like it was closing. I drank water and tried to remain calm. How bizarre.

I got a sun flower seed caught in my throat once...scary stuff..

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:18:13pm

re: #192 Gus 802

Oh good lord. The woman is nuts. Like I said before, damned if you do, and damned if you don't. I found Obama's comments rather forceful and to the point. He also mentioned our "enemies" and "those that would attack our homeland" including calling out terrorism. I guess everything is relevant to "the eye of the beholder." Nothing will satisfy Malkin and her ilk. They will stop at nothing even if it means lowering the tone of the discussion to a pathetic "fashion review."

Since she trashed poor Rear Admiral Smith as an 'Islamist', I've given up wondering what would please her. It's pretty clear what she wants, namely for U.S. officials to regularly trash Islam, and they won't give it to her.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:18:42pm

re: #194 marjoriemoon

OT: I was eating a Mallomar and started to choke. Like seriously choke. Like I couldn't breath. I was debating calling 911 choking.

I'm fine btw, but it occurred to me that that would have been death by chocolate!

Glad you're OK. CHEW the next Mallomar, 'kay?

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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:20:07pm

re: #203 marjoriemoon

Don't touch my Mallomars :p

in bed

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ryannon Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:21:12pm

re: #143 SteveMcG

I once had a guy from Bell Helicopter fly first class from Fort Worth to Philadelphia to deliver a hand made template for a piece of weather stripping because they could not fax me a drawing. One of the things he told me was that you can never blame an individual. Doesn't matter how dumb the operator was, how hungover, whatever, the corrective action always has to address the system. I guess the reason for that is that the operator must have been poorly swupervised or trained, and that would be a flaw of the system.

Swupervision is the key word here.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:21:39pm

re: #197 webevintage

There has been a lot of "changing history" going on lately.

This weekend Mary Maitlin said:
"MATALIN: I was there, we inherited a recession from President Clinton and we inherited the most tragic attack on our own soil in our nation’s history."
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

I'm assuming what she means is that it was Clinton's fault and not that 9/11 did not happen while Bill Clinton was President, but with Republicans lately you just can't be sure. Of course Dana Perino said earlier this that no terrorist attacks happened on Bush's watch.

Because he only started watching after the big one hit?
//

Good grief. Look, part of bing president is that shit happens on your watch, because it's always your watch. This business of trying to shift blame back and forth across presidencies can get old pretty fast.

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Slap Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:23:11pm

re: #203 marjoriemoon

My favorite Zippy the Pinhead quote:

"I wanted a Mallomar! Why was this prevented????"

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ryannon Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:24:51pm

re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Roads?

re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Roads?

Candles and holidays.

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ryannon Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:27:07pm

re: #177 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Unless the assassination was faked! Its all falling into place now!

Is that you, Elvis?

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ryannon Mon, Dec 28, 2009 1:31:24pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

The Israeli chachka industry produces giant amounts of silver jewelry set with 'Roman glass'--ie, Roman-era glass pieces, which they dig up in huge quantities from the archaelogical sites. I just wondered why no one else seems to have a Roman glass jewelry industry.

There's an interesting sea-glass (cottage) jewelry industry. And then some people found that it's possible to fake sea-glass. I'd expect it's the same with certain 'authentic' Roman glass jewelry. In fact, faking antiquities has been a profitable business since....antiquity.

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mikhailtheplumber Tue, Dec 29, 2009 7:33:00am

"But the idiocy doesn’t even stop there, because Cuba was taken over by Castro’s forces in 1959."

The idiocy goes even further for the Harpy: Cuba was not American territory. It was not Puerto Rico. It was formally an independent country, although the US had the right to intervene in its affairs according to the US-written Cuban Constitution.

Also remember that Castro was seen approvingly in 1959, until he started messing with American economic interests in the island and then openly embraced Marxist-Leninism joining the Soviet block.

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