Why I Left the Right, Exhibit H for Homophobia

PoliticsDecember 2009 • Views: 15,459

Illinois Republican Senate candidate Andy Martin tries to get the GOP base on his side by accusing his primary opponent of the dreaded ghey.

Here’s the transcript of Martin’s ad:

I’m Andy Martin, Republican candidate for United States Senator. I approved this message because Illinois Republicans deserve the truth about their candidates.

I have over forty years of experience and integrity fighting corruption, and fighting for the truth in politics.

I helped expose many of Barack Obama’s lies in 2008.

Today, I am fighting for the facts about Mark Kirk. Illinois Republican leader Jack Roeser says there is a, “solid rumor that Kirk is a homosexual.” Roeser suggests that Kirk is part of a Republican Party homosexual club. Lake County Illinois Republican leader Ray True says Kirk has surrounded himself with homosexuals.

Mark Kirk should tell Republican voters the truth.

Smears don’t get much uglier than that.

Andy Martin, meanwhile, is a Birther who claims that Barack Obama is a sekrit Muslim Manchurian candidate. And that’s no “rumor.”

The most persistent falsehood about Senator Barack Obama’s background first hit in 2004 just two weeks after the Democratic convention speech that helped set him on the path to his presidential candidacy: “Obama is a Muslim who has concealed his religion.”

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219 comments

Stanghazi Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:15:55pm

Idiot asshole.

Randall Gross Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:16:51pm

Sunsabitches. There's no way in hell I would vote for a candidate who did this.

Firstinla Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:19:00pm

Well, Andy, Mark Kirk may or may not be a homosexual but you definitely suck.

Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:19:21pm

What I don't understand is the lying part. Why lie?

I am more concerned about a person who lies, than a person who is homosexual.

Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:20:16pm

"solid rumor" ???

Isn't that a fallacy of some sort. Or at least an affront to common sense?

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:20:41pm

Lake County Illinois Republican leader Ray True says Kirk has surrounded himself with homosexuals.

And he won't release a single one until his demands are met.
/
WTF?

Claire Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:22:21pm

WTF is a Republican Homosexual Club? Wouldn't that be, I dunno, an oxymoron of some sort?

affenkopf Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:23:44pm

To their credit the Illinois GOP distanced themselves from the ad:

The Illinois Republican Party disavows the statements made today by Mr. Andrew Martin in his statewide radio advertisements. His statements today are consistent with his history of bizarre behavior and often times hate-filled speech which has no place in the Illinois Republican Party. Mr. Martin will no longer be recognized as a legitimate Republican Candidate by the Illinois Republican Party.

In addition, it has been brought to our attention that Mr. Martin's sources are now denying any such statements or allegations. According to Raymond True, a leader of the Republican Party in Lake County:

"Mr. Martin did not contact me in any way before making his announcement. The comments attributed to me are completely false. I request through the media that Andy Martin cease and desist from making any additional statements that are incorrectly attributed to me."

rwmofo Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:23:49pm

"Roeser suggests that Kirk is part of a Republican Party homosexual club."

So gay Illinois Republicans are discriminating against...whom? They have a club? Right now my head is spinning like Linda Blair's in "The Exorcist."

Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:23:51pm

Andy Martin: Crackpot.

Some good news though. He's been rebuked by the Illinois GOP:

Illinois GOP Rebukes "Bizarre" Andy Martin
No longer recognized as Republican candidate

A perennial political candidate with a history of ant-semitism and legal troubles was rebuked today by the Illinois GOP after he launched a radio ad insinuating that a more popular candidate for Senate was a homosexual.

"[Andy Martin's] statements today are consistent with his history of bizarre behavior and often times hate-filled speech which has no place in the Illinois Republican Party," said Pat Brady, chairman of the Illinois Republican Party, in a statement disavowing Martin's ad. "Mr. Martin will no longer be recognized as a legitimate Republican candidate by the Illinois Republican Party."

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:24:54pm

re: #7 Claire

Not really. Log Cabin Republicans come to mind.

Claire Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:24:54pm

OK, I get it now- Somebody has popped this guys bubble. He just found out that there is such a thing as a Republican Homosexual! Here he thought they were all atheists and Democrats!

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:26:09pm

We do have this:
GOP disavows Martin

What do they do if he actually wins though?

The "Republican Party homosexual club" is probably Log Cabin Republicans, a national organization that dates back to the late 70s. It was originally formed when then Governor Reagan helped defeat some anti-gay legislation, neatly though temporarily undercutting the Dem monopoly on gay rights.

fizzlogic Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:26:14pm

Doesn't this sort of confirm one of Glen Beck's secret government sources?

JoyousMN Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:27:35pm

This is a real ad? You've got to be kidding.

mj Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:27:44pm

Litigation and anti-Semitic accusations

In 1982, Edward Weinfeld, a federal judge for the Southern District of New York, observed that Martin had a tendency to file "a substantial number of lawsuits of a vexatious, frivolous and scandalous nature."[9] In Martin's motion for the 1983 bankruptcy case, he called the judge "a crooked, slimy Jew who has a history of lying and thieving common to members of his race."[1] In another motion that year, Martin stated, "I am able to understand how the Holocaust took place, and with every passing day feel less and less sorry that it did."[1] He went on to say that "Jew survivors are operating as a wolf pack to steal my property."[12] When later pressed in an interview about his remarks, Martin claimed that the anti-Semitic comments were inserted into his court papers by malicious judges.[1]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

webevintage Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:27:49pm

Dear Andy Martin,

While Mark Kirk may or may not be gay (as if there is anything wrong with that you douchebag) you have proven yourself to be a dick.
Thank you for playing.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:28:46pm

re: #8 affenkopf

To their credit the Illinois GOP distanced themselves from the ad:

Apparently they have also distanced themselves from the candidate.

Randall Gross Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:29:42pm

This guy's a religious right demagogue that teh Crazy runs strong in.... a stroll through google on him demonstrates that to anyone...

Andy Martin is a legendary Chicago muckraker, author, Internet columnist, radio talk show host, broadcaster and media critic. He has over forty years of broadcasting background in radio and television and is the dean of Illinois media and communications. He is currently promoting his best-selling book, Obama: The Man Behind The Mask and producing the new Internet movie "Obama: The Hawai'i years." Andy is the Executive Editor and publisher of [Link: www.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx....]

He considers the Republican party in Illinois as demonic...

“I am a Christian and a conservative, and I strive to live by Christ’s principles, not make a parody of them the way Hughes and his posse are doing.
“I can only say I am glad these individuals did not invite me to their rigged forum in Rockford. Maybe these Christians should read the Bible before they stray any further into demonic politics

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:29:52pm

re: #9 rwmofo

"Roeser suggests that Kirk is part of a Republican Party homosexual club."

So gay Illinois Republicans are discriminating against...whom? They have a club? Right now my head is spinning like Linda Blair's in "The Exorcist."

Is this like the Log Cabin Republicans, or more like naughty weekends for naughty Republicans? If the former, why is this guy reading his opponent's resume on his ad?

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:29:57pm

Provo county, Utah, one of the most Republican, conservative areas in the nation, elected a Democrat once because of this.

It's mean, and beyond the pale.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:30:07pm

re: #10 Gus 802

Andy Martin: Crackpot.

Some good news though. He's been rebuked by the Illinois GOP:

Illinois GOP Rebukes "Bizarre" Andy Martin
No longer recognized as Republican candidate

Good on them.

The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:31:19pm

Coming Out Conservative

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:31:29pm

re: #22 EmmmieG

Provo county, Utah, one of the most Republican, conservative areas in the nation, elected a Democrat once because of this.

It's mean, and beyond the pale.

It's amazing how badly some voters will react to realizing that a candidate is an asshole.

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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:31:39pm

Of course Andy would fit right in at any number of right wing blogs...

rwmofo Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:31:55pm

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

Is this like the Log Cabin Republicans, or more like naughty weekends for naughty Republicans? If the former, why is this guy reading his opponent's resume on his ad?

It's like, desperation and buh-bye elected office.

Stanghazi Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:33:15pm

re: #17 mj

Litigation and anti-Semitic accusations

In 1982, Edward Weinfeld, a federal judge for the Southern District of New York, observed that Martin had a tendency to file "a substantial number of lawsuits of a vexatious, frivolous and scandalous nature."[9] In Martin's motion for the 1983 bankruptcy case, he called the judge "a crooked, slimy Jew who has a history of lying and thieving common to members of his race."[1] In another motion that year, Martin stated, "I am able to understand how the Holocaust took place, and with every passing day feel less and less sorry that it did."[1] He went on to say that "Jew survivors are operating as a wolf pack to steal my property."[12] When later pressed in an interview about his remarks, Martin claimed that the anti-Semitic comments were inserted into his court papers by malicious judges.[1]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Thank you for connecting the dots. I thought these were two different assholes.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:33:34pm

The middle-school aged kids I know loved the story about the candidate who was defeated after his opponent ran an ad that the man's brother was a homo sapiens, and his sister was a known thespian.

I was actually glad to know that the kids knew what the two terms knew to find it funny.

Jaerik Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:33:44pm

The official GOP's already rebuked him, but I'll be fascinated to see which right-wing blogs furiously regurgitate it over the next few days.

Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:34:12pm

re: #23 SanFranciscoZionist

Good on them.

Indeed. I wonder how long before the lunatics at Free Republic proceed to call Pat Brady (who made the statement) a RINO. I see they've already criticized Mr. Brady once before.

Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:34:21pm

re: #10 Gus 802

Andy Martin: Crackpot.

Some good news though. He's been rebuked by the Illinois GOP:

Illinois GOP Rebukes "Bizarre" Andy Martin
No longer recognized as Republican candidate

That's not good news... why didn't they issue this statement BEFORE this started... no, this is just double-back tracking their asses.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:34:22pm

re: #29 EmmmieG

The middle-school aged kids I know loved the story about the candidate who was defeated after his opponent ran an ad that the man's brother was a homo sapiens, and his sister was a known thespian.

I was actually glad to know that the kids knew what the two terms ~~knew~~ to find it funny.

...meant...

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:35:09pm

re: #30 Jaerik

The official GOP's already rebuked him, but I'll be fascinated to see which right-wing blogs furiously regurgitate it over the next few days.

I'll be interested to see which right-wing blogs dig up nonsensical dirt on the opponent, and lash out against the Illinois GOP for giving this guy the shove. I'm laying 50/50 odds on that happening.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:36:10pm

re: #32 Walter L. Newton

That's not good news... why didn't they issue this statement BEFORE this started... no, this is just double-back tracking their asses.
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"You should have come to us before, you know, and told us you were going to get pregnant. We could have done something then."

--Mr. Curley, a great Irishman

Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:36:26pm

re: #32 Walter L. Newton

That's not good news... why didn't they issue this statement BEFORE this started... no, this is just double-back tracking their asses.
///

Is that like a post hoc ergo propter hoc statement? /

SpaceJesus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:37:37pm

I wonder if Martin is secretly fabulous himself

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:38:20pm

re: #37 SpaceJesus

I wonder if Martin is secretly fabulous himself

I wonder how crazy you have to be to think this will work in this day and age. Do people really not vote for a candidate because someone says he's gay?

Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:38:46pm

I still want to know, exactly, what a solid rumor is?

akarra Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:39:00pm

re: #10 Gus 802

Andy Martin: Crackpot.

Some good news though. He's been rebuked by the Illinois GOP:

Illinois GOP Rebukes "Bizarre" Andy Martin
No longer recognized as Republican candidate

Thank you for that info - it's refreshing to know there's some sanity in the world.

Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:39:01pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

I wonder how crazy you have to be to think this will work in this day and age. Do people really not vote for a candidate because someone says he's gay?

Sadly, some people will.

Randall Gross Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:39:31pm

Andy Martin ran against Bush in 1999 for President, accusing him of cocaine abuse and alchoholism.

SpaceJesus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:40:11pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

I wonder how crazy you have to be to think this will work in this day and age. Do people really not vote for a candidate because someone says he's gay?

oh I bet there's plenty of them

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:40:22pm

re: #42 Thanos

Andy Martin ran against Bush in 1999 for President, accusing him of cocaine abuse and alchoholism.

And we can see how effective that attack campaign was.

Has this guy ever considered going positive?

rwmofo Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:40:30pm

re: #37 SpaceJesus

I wonder if Martin is secretly fabulous himself

Heh. Well, he's definitely thinking about it.

Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:40:34pm

re: #42 Thanos

Andy Martin ran against Bush in 1999 for President, accusing him of cocaine abuse and alchoholism.

I just can't believe that this sort of politics is coming out of Illinois?

Randall Gross Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:40:36pm

The R's kick out Andy but accept the other Homophobes, the Birchers.

Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:41:00pm

re: #42 Thanos

Andy Martin ran against Bush in 1999 for President, accusing him of cocaine abuse and alchoholism.

Yep.

Anthony Robert Martin-Trigona

During his 2000 run for president, he ran a television advertisement in Connecticut accusing George W. Bush of using cocaine. In 2003, after several visits to Iraq he claimed he was ninety percent certain he knew where Saddam Hussein was hiding and put in a claim for the 25 million dollar reward on offer for the former Iraqi dictator's capture.

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:41:29pm

The picture is coming into focus, this Martin is a long-time fringe-dwelling antisemitic bigot, outhouse lawyer, and general public jackass.

Maybe he'll accuse this "homosexual club" of organizing a mutiny of preverts (and Rinos) to overthrow godliness and hand the GOP to ACORN and the Obammunists.

Randall Gross Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:41:35pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

And we can see how effective that attack campaign was.

Has this guy ever considered going positive?

That election was very close, and Andy putting that forward hurt Bush.

fizzlogic Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:41:54pm

re: #10 Gus 802

Is that the same GOP that recruited the good Doctor, Alan Keyes, to run against Obama? :)

pharmmajor Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:42:24pm

See, this is another advantage the Libertarians have: we don't let prejudiced idiots dictate our policies.

Sure you don't want to join us, Charles?

Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:43:04pm

re: #51 trendsurfer

Is that the same GOP that recruited the good Doctor, Alan Keyes, to run against Obama? :)

Could be. Although I'm not sure if Pat Brady had anything to do with Keyes.

SpaceJesus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:43:14pm

re: #52 pharmmajor

See, this is another advantage the Libertarians have: we don't let prejudiced idiots dictate our policies.

Sure you don't want to join us, Charles?

unfortunately some people seem to think ron paul is a libertarian

Randall Gross Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:43:23pm

re: #52 pharmmajor

Ron Paul

jaunte Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:43:33pm

re: #40 akarra

The ad purports to paraphrase two Illinois GOP leaders' anti-homosexual statements about Kirk.
One of those members, Raymond True, the chairman of the conservative Republican Assembly of Lake County organization, says he never made any such statement.

"I made a comment not about him (Kirk) at all, but that there were some people on his (Kirk's) staff that had a special orientation," True told the Chicago Tribune.

True, being a more subtle bigot, manages to distance himself from Martin and still point at the 'specially oriented' people.

rwmofo Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:43:42pm

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

I wonder how crazy you have to be to think this will work in this day and age. Do people really not vote for a candidate because someone says he's gay?

Is this clown older? I'm guessing certain seniors have stuck with their old ways of seeing things and don't seamlessly adapt to progress and change. I'm not excusing it, but it happens.

Firstinla Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:43:51pm

re: #39 ggt

A solid rumor is any rumor started by either Glenn Beck or Pamela Geller.

wrenchwench Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:43:54pm

re: #52 pharmmajor

See, this is another advantage the Libertarians have: we don't let prejudiced idiots dictate our policies.

Sure you don't want to join us, Charles?

What about Luap Nor? He's definitely a prejudiced idiot. Are you saying he has no effect on Libertarian policies?

Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:43:58pm

re: #52 pharmmajor

See, this is another advantage the Libertarians have: we don't let prejudiced idiots dictate our policies.

Sure you don't want to join us, Charles?

Yea right. Libertarians... the party that is of and always will be for the future.

Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:44:26pm

re: #58 Firstinla

A solid rumor is any rumor started by either Glenn Beck or Pamela Geller.

ah!

Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:44:30pm

ADL Letter to Sean Hannity, re Anthony Martin

Sean Hannity
Fox News Channel
1211 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10036

October 10, 2008

Dear Mr. Hannity:

We were astonished to see that during the October 5, 2008 edition of Hannity's America, you interviewed Anthony Martin, a man with an extensive track record of making anti-Semitic and anti-Israel remarks.

A person who espouses such odious views ought not to be given the opportunity to enhance his credentials or his standing by appearing on Hannity's America.

Sincerely,

The Anti-Defamation League

Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:44:59pm

re: #57 rwmofo

Is this clown older? I'm guessing certain seniors have stuck with their old ways of seeing things and don't seamlessly adapt to progress and change. I'm not excusing it, but it happens.

Martin is 62 (just two years older than I am, btw).

Cokezero Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:45:39pm

Is this the guy that Sean Hannity has had on his show a few times?

Randall Gross Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:45:45pm

re: #52 pharmmajor

Rothbard. Raimondo, do you really want me to keep compiling this list?

Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:45:52pm

re: #64 Cokezero

Is this the guy that Sean Hannity has had on his show a few times?

Yes.

The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:46:19pm

re: #56 jaunte

True, being a more subtle bigot, manages to distance himself from Martin and still point at the 'specially oriented' people.

Always helps to have a thicket of tiny type to hide behind.

Cokezero Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:46:25pm

re: #64 Cokezero

Well, I see in post #62 that it is.

The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:47:10pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

What about Luap Nor? He's definitely a prejudiced idiot. Are you saying he has no effect on Libertarian policies?

First few times I saw that I wondered: who's the Cambodian guy?

SixDegrees Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:48:26pm

re: #8 affenkopf

To their credit the Illinois GOP distanced themselves from the ad:

The Illinois Republican Party disavows the statements made today by Mr. Andrew Martin in his statewide radio advertisements. His statements today are consistent with his history of bizarre behavior and often times hate-filled speech which has no place in the Illinois Republican Party. Mr. Martin will no longer be recognized as a legitimate Republican Candidate by the Illinois Republican Party.
In addition, it has been brought to our attention that Mr. Martin's sources are now denying any such statements or allegations. According to Raymond True, a leader of the Republican Party in Lake County:

"Mr. Martin did not contact me in any way before making his announcement. The comments attributed to me are completely false. I request through the media that Andy Martin cease and desist from making any additional statements that are incorrectly attributed to me."

Three cheers for the official GOP response to this asshole. I hope to see a lot more such statements from other official sources.

wrenchwench Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:48:31pm

“But if a candidate hasn’t got the guts to stand up and tell voters the facts and the truth about his primary opponent, how is he going to stand up to Barack Obama and stop the socialist revolution?” Martin says.

No link. There's no end to the lunacy from this freak. Google is not your friend in this case. A friend wouldn't want you to read all this sickness in one day.

akarra Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:48:43pm

re: #56 jaunte

True, being a more subtle bigot, manages to distance himself from Martin and still point at the 'specially oriented' people.

Point well-taken.

Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:50:07pm

Martin is sick and crazy, and apparently the GOP has had enough of his idiocy.
[Link: www.wbbm780.com...]

RexMundi Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:52:00pm

I'm glad I live in Illinois where I have the chance to vote "anyone but Andy Martin".

mj Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:52:04pm

re: #51 trendsurfer

Is that the same GOP that recruited the good Doctor, Alan Keyes, to run against Obama? :)

Rep. Mark Kirk is the first reputable candidate the Illinois Republican Party has had in ages. He actually has a good chance of claiming the Illinois seat in the Senate for the Republican Party. That would be good thing for the people of Illinois who desperately need a two party system for the checks and balances it can provide.

Randall Gross Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:52:13pm

Republican dirty tricks operatives from the Religious Right still get their messages out through nutballs like this guy and shrieky shriekperson by priming their pump with one drop of falsehood whispered as an aside. That's all the hysterical demagogues need. It's practiced technique, and came from one of the conservative groups in Illinois who did not want to get their hands dirty.

Taqyia2Me Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:52:28pm

re: #48 Gus 802

Being from the cess-hole known as Illinois, Anthony Martin-Trigona (Andy Martin) is long known as a crackpot.

The thing we need to learn from Illinois is:
Illinois - bankrupt
Cook County - bankrupter
Chicago - bankruptest
And the correlation above as to how long each entity has been under complete democrat control.

rwmofo Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:53:29pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel

Martin is 62 (just two years older than I am, btw).

Calm down sparky. I'm over 50 and said certain seniors. My point was related to the "old dawg/new tricks" analogy. One of my brothers fits that mold, but he's my brother and we tolerate him because he's harmless.

Regardless, here's the wikipedia entry for this guy. He's koo koo for cocoa puffs.

SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:54:20pm

re: #77 Taqyia2Me

Being from the cess-hole known as Illinois, Anthony Martin-Trigona (Andy Martin) is long known as a crackpot.

The thing we need to learn from Illinois is:
Illinois - bankrupt
Cook County - bankrupter
Chicago - bankruptest
And the correlation above as to how long each entity has been under complete democrat control.

That was beautiful. A perfect slide from a for-shit formerly Republican candidate, to how his state's state is the Democrat's fault.

sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:54:45pm

re: #74 RexMundi

I'm glad I live in Illinois where I have the chance to vote "anyone but Andy Martin".

Too bad you're still above the grass or you could vote SEVERAL times for "anyone but Andy Martin"!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:55:08pm

re: #77 Taqyia2Me

Being from the cess-hole known as Illinois, Anthony Martin-Trigona (Andy Martin) is long known as a crackpot.

The thing we need to learn from Illinois is:
Illinois - bankrupt
Cook County - bankrupter
Chicago - bankruptest
And the correlation above as to how long each entity has been under complete democrat control.

The one good thing about Illinois is Obama.

wrenchwench Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:55:43pm

re: #76 Thanos

Republican dirty tricks operatives from the Religious Right still get their messages out through nutballs like this guy and shrieky shriekperson by priming their pump with one drop of falsehood whispered as an aside. That's all the hysterical demagogues need. It's practiced technique, and came from one of the conservative groups in Illinois who did not want to get their hands dirty.

Even this creep is claiming that his "solid rumor" is coming from other opponents of Kirk.

Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:55:49pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

That was beautiful. A perfect slide from a for-shit formerly Republican candidate, to how his state's state is the Democrat's fault.

Oh, I thought he meant that the reason it's under Democratic control is because of jerks like Andy Martin.

pharmmajor Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:56:39pm

re: #55 Thanos

Ron Paul

In spite of what you believe, we do not all blindly follow Ron Paul. He may have some good ideas, but the guy is certifiably crazy overall.

Taqyia2Me Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:57:30pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Just like here in Illinois, the democrats at the federal level do not allow republican ammendments a hearing.
I know how it ends for Illinois, the $64 question is:
How will this end for our great nation?

Taqyia2Me Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:58:07pm

re: #83 Gus 802

We have bingo.

The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:58:43pm

OT: From the Catch 'Em Being Good File...the Shriekstress is doing some good coverage/linkage of the Iran uprising at the moment.

reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 28, 2009 3:59:42pm

re: #87 The Sanity Inspector

OT: From the Catch 'Em Being Good File...the Shriekstress is doing some good coverage/linkage of the Iran uprising at the moment.

Where is she getting the news? I thought there was a blackout from Iran

Taqyia2Me Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:00:27pm

re: #81 Walter L. Newton

The one good thing about Illinois is Obama.

To make the USA bankrupter sooner?

wrenchwench Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:02:26pm

re: #84 pharmmajor

In spite of what you believe, we do not all blindly follow Ron Paul. He may have some good ideas, but the guy is certifiably crazy overall.

Hey, you came back! I didn't expect that. Can you say that R. Paul does not have an impact on the policies of the Libertarian Party? Has the Party come out and called him crazy? If not, how can you claim that the party is not similarly crazy?

I used to like Gary Johnson until he said Ron Paul had good ideas.

The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:02:56pm

re: #88 reine.de.tout

Where is she getting the news? I thought there was a blackout from Iran

Looks like most of the footage posted is from yesterday.

Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:03:22pm

Andy Martin is far from the only wingnut who's gleefully gone all the way into the gutter.

Jim Hoft continues to get his sick smears directly from a homophobic hate group, and post them at Andrew Beitbart's Big Government: Fistgate XII: Obama’s Safe Schools Czar’s GLSEN Conferences Included D*ld* Tips and Needle Instructions For Teens.

_RememberTonyC Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:04:14pm

Pandering to the base and the extremists within the base shows the stupidity of the panderer, in this case Mr. Martin. No candidate can win an election ONLY with support of the "base." And by going so far below the belt, even if Martin wins the GOP nomination, Independents won't touch Martin with a ten foot pole. The stupidity of this man is astonishing. And the apparently evil nature of his character is sickening.

Stuart Leviton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:04:15pm

Mark Kirk has been a good Senator. I sure hope he wins.

sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:04:23pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

Hey, you came back! I didn't expect that. Can you say that R. Paul does not have an impact on the policies of the Libertarian Party? Has the Party come out and called him crazy? If not, how can you claim that the party is not similarly crazy?
I used to like Gary Johnson until he said Ron Paul had good ideas.

HOLD THE WEDDIN

The parties (Dem and Repub) never came out and called Cynthia McKinney nor Ron Paul crazy yet there they were with a D and an R next to their names during elections!

ryannon Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:04:41pm

re: #29 EmmmieG

The middle-school aged kids I know loved the story about the candidate who was defeated after his opponent ran an ad that the man's brother was a homo sapiens, and his sister was a known thespian.

I was actually glad to know that the kids knew what the two terms knew to find it funny.

As a teacher myself, I've always seen how motivation and interest picks up in the classroom when things become either real, funny or both.

Stanghazi Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:05:28pm

OT: ABC has photos of the skivvie bomb:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Taqyia2Me Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:05:51pm

re: #94 Stuart Leviton

Mark Kirk has been a good Senator. I sure hope he wins.

He's a Congressman running for the Senate.

Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:06:26pm

re: #97 Stanley Sea

OT: ABC has photos of the skivvie bomb:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Ew gross!

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wrenchwench Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:06:33pm

re: #95 sattv4u2

HOLD THE WEDDIN

The parties (Dem and Repub) never came out and called Cynthia McKinney nor Ron Paul crazy yet there they were with a D and an R next to their names during elections!

So what? Pharmmajor is offering the Libertarians as a superior option. I'm saying they are an option, but not superior.

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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:07:19pm

re: #97 Stanley Sea

OT: ABC has photos of the skivvie bomb:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

YIKES!!!!

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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:07:34pm

re: #87 The Sanity Inspector

OT: From the Catch 'Em Being Good File...the Shriekstress is doing some good coverage/linkage of the Iran uprising at the moment.

There's nothing new there. All the photos and videos are from yesterday.

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Taqyia2Me Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:07:41pm

re: #92 Charles

Very sad and it will impact my future voting tendencies. And I do vote.
But I won't go to those web-sites.....

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pharmmajor Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:07:45pm

re: #92 Charles

Andy Martin is far from the only wingnut who's gleefully gone all the way into the gutter.

Jim Hoft continues to get his sick smears directly from a homophobic hate group, and post them at Andrew Beitbart's Big Government: Fistgate XII: Obama’s Safe Schools Czar’s GLSEN Conferences Included D*ld* Tips and Needle Instructions For Teens.

Charles, you're here, so hopefully you'll be on long enough for me to ask you. Would you consider joining us in the Libertarian party? You'd do a great service in strengthening our cause against the radical right and left.

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wrenchwench Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:08:04pm

re: #92 Charles

I bet Mr. Hoft wrote his own bio for that site. It concludes with

His passion is truth. His devotion is to liberty.

Heh.

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RexMundi Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:08:48pm

re: #46 Walter L. Newton

I just can't believe that this sort of politics is coming out of Illinois?

I have no hope in Illinois politics. We're just too corrupt or dirty here.

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Mark Pennington Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:08:50pm

I guess I will never get what is so bad about homosexuality and why it freaks so many people out.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:09:30pm

re: #16 JoyousMN

This is a real ad? You've got to be kidding.

There was another real ad by a republican I heard (and that got replayed on the Rick emerson show to hilarious effect) that used the phrase "one big fiesta for illegal aliens and homosexuals." So, yeah, not surprised. :D

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pharmmajor Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:09:43pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

Hey, you came back! I didn't expect that. Can you say that R. Paul does not have an impact on the policies of the Libertarian Party? Has the Party come out and called him crazy? If not, how can you claim that the party is not similarly crazy?

I used to like Gary Johnson until he said Ron Paul had good ideas.

That's guilt by association. What if I said that all liberals were as bad as Jimmy Carter? Or that all conservatives were as bad as Rush Limbaugh? You don't lump everyone together based on the actions of the extremists.

And yes, Ron Paul does have some valid points. But on the whole, he is whacked out of his gourd.

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fizzlogic Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:09:48pm

re: #58 Firstinla

A solid rumor is any rumor started by either Glenn Beck or Pamela Geller.

Not quite. Only when they can point to the NewsMax article derived from their rumormongering does it become a solid rumor.

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Irish Rose Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:09:57pm

Wow, what a douchebag.

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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:10:08pm

re: #87 The Sanity Inspector

OT: From the Catch 'Em Being Good File...the Shriekstress is doing some good coverage/linkage of the Iran uprising at the moment.

And it's just absolutely pure hypocrisy for that moron to try to picture herself as some kind of friend of the Iranian people, when on the very same page she posts this:

These are devout Muslims. There are no moderates. There are no extremists. Only Muslims.

All of those brave Iranians are Muslims. Geller wants to deport all Muslims from the US, and frequently rants about how they're ALL evil. If that's where you're getting your news about Iran, you need to find a better source.

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Stuart Leviton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:10:10pm

The Wikipedia entry on Andy Martin makes a good read. Here's a snippet:

His 1996 run for the Florida State Senate came undone when it was revealed that he had named his campaign committee for his 1986 congressional run "The Anthony R. Martin-Trigona Congressional Campaign to Exterminate Jew Power in America"

Wikipedia Andy Martin

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:10:11pm

re: #104 pharmmajor

Charles, you're here, so hopefully you'll be on long enough for me to ask you. Would you consider joining us in the Libertarian party? You'd do a great service in strengthening our cause against the radical right and left.

The problem with many libertarians is some of their positions are themselves radical. ;-)

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Charles Johnson Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:10:18pm

re: #104 pharmmajor

Charles, you're here, so hopefully you'll be on long enough for me to ask you. Would you consider joining us in the Libertarian party? You'd do a great service in strengthening our cause against the radical right and left.

No, thanks.

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Taqyia2Me Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:10:42pm

re: #106 RexMundi

And trying its darndest to take it nationwide.

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RexMundi Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:10:43pm

re: #80 sattv4u2

Yeah I can't vote early and vote often in this day and age, but I can at least spread the word that this Andy Martin is a scumbag.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:11:01pm

re: #117 RexMundi

Yeah I can't vote early and vote often in this day and age, but I can at least spread the word that this Andy Martin is a scumbag.

I prefer to call him a "butthole".

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pharmmajor Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:11:41pm

re: #115 Charles

No, thanks.

Okay, just wanted to ask. Thanks for the direct response. I appreciate it, and I won't bother you again.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:12:56pm

There is a completely terrifying CGI Garfield christmas special on TV right now. Words cannot describe how creepy this thing is, it' all kinds of bad 90's CGI and uncanny valley.

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wrenchwench Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:13:15pm

re: #109 pharmmajor

Can you sincerely claim that R. Paul does not have anything to do with the policies of the Libertarian Party? Is that what you were doing in your #52?

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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:14:13pm

re: #100 wrenchwench

So what? Pharmmajor is offering the Libertarians as a superior option. I'm saying they are an option, but not superior.

no ,, you stated because Paul is crazy therefore the PARTY (in it's entirety) must be
Has the Party come out and called him crazy? If not, how can you claim that the party is not similarly crazy?

Same can be said about the Dems not calling out McKinney and the repubs not calling out Paul (when he runs as one0

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:14:31pm

re: #77 Taqyia2Me

Being from the cess-hole known as Illinois, Anthony Martin-Trigona (Andy Martin) is long known as a crackpot.

The thing we need to learn from Illinois is:
Illinois - bankrupt
Cook County - bankrupter
Chicago - bankruptest
And the correlation above as to how long each entity has been under complete democrat control.

So how long have you been drinking Tu Quoque? I prefer Pepsi, the Choice of a New Generation that doesn't rely on bullshit false equivalency.

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The Shadow Do Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:14:44pm

re: #97 Stanley Sea

OT: ABC has photos of the skivvie bomb:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Jhihadi Jockeys for men
aka
South Asian Crotch Rockets

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Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:15:16pm

Update on GOProud at CPAC:

GOProud Muzzled at CPAC?

According to ~~Wing Nut~~ World Net Daily, the controversy over GOProud’s participation at CPAC, sparked by social cons objecting to their presence, has brought a mixed response from conference organizers. While GOProud is being allowed to participate, including having a booth at the conference, it appears that they are not being allowed any kind of speaking role:

[American Conservative Union chief David] Keene admitted GOProud “has signed on as a CPAC co-sponsor, but will have no speakers and we told them that, in fact, since opposition to gay marriage, etc are consensus positions (if not unanimous) among conservatives, these topics are not open to debate.”

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RexMundi Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:15:31pm

re: #84 pharmmajor

In spite of what you believe, we do not all blindly follow Ron Paul. He may have some good ideas, but the guy is certifiably crazy overall.

I'm more worried about Ron Paul's followers than I am of Ron Paul himself.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:16:07pm

re: #108 WindUpBird

There was another real ad by a republican I heard (and that got replayed on the Rick emerson show to hilarious effect) that used the phrase "one big fiesta for illegal aliens and homosexuals." So, yeah, not surprised. :D

That sounds like a great party.

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wrenchwench Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:16:29pm

re: #122 sattv4u2

no ,, you stated because Paul is crazy therefore the PARTY (in it's entirety) must be
Has the Party come out and called him crazy? If not, how can you claim that the party is not similarly crazy?

Same can be said about the Dems not calling out McKinney and the repubs not calling out Paul (when he runs as one0

Yes, same can be said, with complete validity. The Libertarians are no better than the Republicans or the Democrats.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:16:48pm

re: #109 pharmmajor

That's guilt by association. What if I said that all liberals were as bad as Jimmy Carter? Or that all conservatives were as bad as Rush Limbaugh? You don't lump everyone together based on the actions of the extremists.

And yes, Ron Paul does have some valid points. But on the whole, he is whacked out of his gourd.

It's not guilt by association, Luap Nor is effectively the cornerstone personality for libertarians. If most people rejected him, great. But libertarians are not rejecting Ron paul at all.

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:17:19pm

re: #123 WindUpBird

So how long have you been drinking Tu Quoque? I prefer Pepsi, the Choice of a New Generation that doesn't rely on bullshit false equivalency.

So, you would agree with his Tu Quoque if you considered it true? I thought the whole idea of Tu Quoque was the fact that, true or false, you are answering an argument with another argument and not directly responding to a question. I thought Tu Quoque was a divisive debating technique, not a matter of true or false.

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Ben G. Hazi Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:18:13pm

I can't say "UGGGGHHHHH!!!" strong enough for insane, bigoted assholes like this...

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:18:14pm

re: #124 The Shadow Do

Jhihadi Jockeys for men
aka
South Asian Crotch Rockets

Mark Steyn called him the "Knicker Bomber."

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:18:30pm

re: #125 Gus 802

Update on GOProud at CPAC:

GOProud Muzzled at CPAC?

Of course they can't speak! Can't let the queers menace those good Christians with all their fancy cravats, shiny new Audis and impeccable interior design tastes! :D

/I have no interior design tastes

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The Shadow Do Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:18:47pm

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

Mark Steyn called him the "Knicker Bomber."

Boomer Bloomers?

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:19:08pm

re: #125 Gus 802

BIG TENT IS RIPPING US OFF!
/

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bloodnok Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:19:31pm

re: #134 The Shadow Do

Boomer Bloomers?

Ignitey Whiteys?

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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:19:47pm

EDL Nazi arrested for soliciting murder/terrorism.....
Far Right Death Threats

The arrest last week of Michael Heaton, or ‘Wigan Mike’ as he is better known, for “soliciting murder and using threatening, abusive or insulting words likely to stir up racial hatred” has unpleasant implications for far right internet users. The charges relate to the Aryan Strike Force (ASF) website. Heaton has a long history of Nazi activities and has also been involved with the English Defence League (EDL). His co-defendant Trevor Hannington was accused of “possessing information likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism and disseminating a terrorist publication.”

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:19:57pm

TNT BVD's?

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Lidane Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:19:57pm

re: #107 beekiller

I guess I will never get what is so bad about homosexuality and why it freaks so many people out.

Same here. I have never understood why it's such a threat to anyone. The only difference between a gay person and a straight one is the gender of the person they fall in love with, and honestly, why should that matter at all? It makes less than no sense.

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Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:19:58pm

re: #133 WindUpBird

Of course they can't speak! Can't let the queers menace those good Christians with all their fancy cravats, shiny new Audis and impeccable interior design tastes! :D

/I have no interior design tastes

You know what happens when they speak? Once they hear the words of the Gay Agenda all straight males turn gay within 500 miles of the epicenter.

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The Shadow Do Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:20:12pm

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

Mark Steyn called him the "Knicker Bomber."

Tighty Ignities?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:20:35pm

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

That sounds like a great party.

I'll bring the beer!

/Negra Modelo is a great beer

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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:20:58pm

re: #84 pharmmajor

In spite of what you believe, we do not all blindly follow Ron Paul. He may have some good ideas, but the guy is certifiably crazy overall.

Oh I see you do want me to go on then. Ok
Rand Paul, Adam Kokesh (Google 4409)

Now shall I continue?

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Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:21:21pm

OT (I think):
I was just watching CNN TV and saw some photos of the plastic explosives in the underwear of the xmas terrorist, and unless I am mistaken he was wearing Victoria Secret panties.
Whassup with this terror panty stuff?

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The Shadow Do Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:21:29pm

re: #136 bloodnok

Ignitey Whiteys?

gmta (g=goofy?)

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:21:37pm

re: #140 Gus 802

You know what happens when they speak? Once they hear the words of the Gay Agenda all straight males turn gay within 500 miles of the epicenter.

//

They start wearing argyle sweater vests and listening to Neutral Milk Hotel, and then it's all over.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:22:19pm

re: #144 Spare O'Lake

Whassup with this terror panty stuff?

This would be the quote of the day if it wasn't for Windsagio's comment about goths with rats on leashes in college districts. :D

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Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:22:23pm

re: #146 WindUpBird

They start wearing argyle sweater vests and listening to Neutral Milk Hotel, and then it's all over.

Yep. Followed by paisley and pastels. Paisley and pastels.

And track lighting.

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rurality Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:22:30pm

re: #77 Taqyia2Me

Considering the Illinois cesspool, dont you think it is pretty remarkable that Obama has so few skeletons or smudges?

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bloodnok Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:22:46pm

re: #138 EmmmieG

TNT BVD's?

Fruit of the Boom

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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:23:06pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

More here: 'Aryan Strike Force website administrators' accused of inciting racial hatred

Trevor Hannington, 58, and Michael Heaton, 42, were "administrators" of the Aryan Strike Force website and used wall posts to encourage others to murder Jews, it is said.
The pair face a string of terrorism and public order offences dating back to January 2008.

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:24:08pm

re: #149 rurality

Considering the Illinois cesspool, dont you think it is pretty remarkable that Obama has so few skeletons or smudges?

No, it's pretty remarkable that Obama has managed to keep most of the records of his life private. I'm not saying there is anything hidden, but that goes both ways.

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Bagua Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:24:18pm

re: #144 Spare O'Lake

OT (I think):
I was just watching CNN TV and saw some photos of the plastic explosives in the underwear of the xmas terrorist, and unless I am mistaken he was wearing Victoria Secret panties.
Whassup with this terror panty stuff?

Maybe they are secretly fabulous also.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:25:01pm

re: #144 Spare O'Lake

OT (I think):
I was just watching CNN TV and saw some photos of the plastic explosives in the underwear of the xmas terrorist, and unless I am mistaken he was wearing Victoria Secret panties.
Whassup with this terror panty stuff?

Bad terrorist! VS buys from Israel!

/True. One of my main reasons for buying undies from them.

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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:25:23pm

re: #136 bloodnok

Ignitey Whiteys?

Fruit of the Boom?

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:26:11pm

re: #155 The Sanity Inspector

Fruit of the Boom?

Shorted Shorts.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:26:21pm

re: #139 Lidane

Same here. I have never understood why it's such a threat to anyone. The only difference between a gay person and a straight one is the gender of the person they fall in love with, and honestly, why should that matter at all? It makes less than no sense.

Well, I've seen how these peoples' minds work, because I marvel at their nutbag comments on Hot Air and other blogs. They assume that all gay males are crazily promiscuous and reckless and therefore unsuitable for a family unit. They buy the idea that gay males are all potential pedarasts. And they buy all the shit they hear about how we're supposedly trying to convert kids to teh gheyzor, how only UH MAN AND UH WOMUN KIN RASE UH FAMUHLEE, how we plan to instruct kids on the finer points of sadomasochism at age 7 or something. Witness all the stuff around the safe-schools czar.

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Firstinla Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:26:45pm

LGF gets punnier every day.

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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:26:48pm

re: #112 Charles

All of those brave Iranians are Muslims. Geller wants to deport all Muslims from the US, and frequently rants about how they're ALL evil. If that's where you're getting your news about Iran, you need to find a better source.

Nope, not getting my news there. Just curious, as it was said earlier that "they" were ignoring Iran altogether.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:27:23pm

re: #149 rurality

Considering the Illinois cesspool, dont you think it is pretty remarkable that Obama has so few skeletons or smudges?

Oh, but they're all coming out! He'll turn out to one of the lizard alients from V!

///

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BenghaziHoops Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:27:27pm

re: #155 The Sanity Inspector

Fruit of the Boom?

This takes the Victorian Secrets Commercials to a whole new level...

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Stuart Leviton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:27:30pm

re: #98 Taqyia2Me

He's a Congressman running for the Senate.

Thanks. I had forgotten. I left Illinois in 2003 for the great state of Maryland - home of the former Illinois US Senate candidate Allen Keyes. Keyes replaced a corrupt Republican who was forced to withdraw. That disastrous campaign allowed a little known Chicago politician, Barack Obama to go from the state legislature to the US Senate. We have the Illinois Republican party to thank for Obama - whom I like.

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rurality Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:27:51pm

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

There are legions of people who have tried to find dirt on Obama and if Rezko and Ayers are the oft flogged results, well, despite all the faux hyperventilation, Obama is remarkably unsullied--especially considering his home state (and mine, sigh).

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Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:27:56pm

re: #136 bloodnok

Ignitey Whiteys?

Poofy panties?

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Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:28:27pm

re: #161 HoosierHoops

This takes the Victorian Secrets Commercials to a whole new level...

Thong bomb.

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:28:39pm

re: #157 WindUpBird

Well, I've seen how these peoples' minds work, because I marvel at their nutbag comments on Hot Air and other blogs. They assume that all gay males are crazily promiscuous and reckless and therefore unsuitable for a family unit. They buy the idea that gay males are all potential pedarasts. And they buy all the shit they hear about how we're supposedly trying to convert kids to teh gheyzor, how only UH MAN AND UH WOMUN KIN RASE UH FAMUHLEE, how we plan to instruct kids on the finer points of sadomasochism at age 7 or something. Witness all the stuff around the safe-schools czar.

I know many gay couples who have relationships as secure and normal as any other male/female couple.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:29:35pm

re: #162 Stuart Leviton

Thanks. I had forgotten. I left Illinois in 2003 for the great state of Maryland - home of the former Illinois US Senate candidate Allen Keyes. Keyes replaced a corrupt Republican who was forced to withdraw. That disastrous campaign allowed a little known Chicago politician, Barack Obama to go from the state legislature to the US Senate. We have the Illinois Republican party to thank for Obama - whom I like.

I think Obama would have beaten Jack Ryan (despite his Tom Clancy character name), but Alan Keyes is a hilarious joke and made Obama's campaign essentially unloseable.

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reine.de.tout Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:29:38pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Thong bomb.

Damn, if I had any energy I'd go through and copy all of these for the ROFLMAO section of the cookbook!

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:30:42pm

re: #163 rurality

There are legions of people who have tried to find dirt on Obama and if Rezko and Ayers are the oft flogged results, well, despite all the faux hyperventilation, Obama is remarkably unsullied--especially considering his home state (and mine, sigh).

You know that for sure? I'm not saying I know there is anything in his background. But for you to be cock sure that there isn't something in his background, something we don't know about, something that could be boring, embarrassing or earth shattering is stupid. You know no more than I do?

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The Shadow Do Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:30:44pm

Crotchless panties are a whole 'nother thing with the swinging Jihadi set. Put 'em on and....no crotch! nor knees, nore nose, nore toes, etc

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Gus Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:31:08pm

re: #168 reine.de.tout

Damn, if I had any energy I'd go through and copy all of these for the ROFLMAO section of the cookbook!

Booming bloomers!

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Bagua Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:31:48pm

Bigotry against gays is so last century. Some people never seem to get the message.

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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:32:00pm

KA-Bloomers

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John Neverbend Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:32:14pm

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

I thought the whole idea of Tu Quoque was the fact that, true or false, you are answering an argument with another argument and not directly responding to a question. I thought Tu Quoque was a divisive debating technique, not a matter of true or false.

Strictly speaking, the argument made by Taqyia2me is not an example of Tu Quoque but is somewhat closer to what I once heard Robert Fisk describing as "whataboutery". Like Tu Quoque it can be used as a diversionary tactic, but the key to Tu Quoque is to "prove" that the opponent's argument is incorrect, because of an inconsistency between the opponent's premises or actions relating to them. It's a logical fallacy.

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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:32:27pm

re: #173 sattv4u2

KA-Bloomers

OK, that's good!

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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:33:00pm

re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, that's good!

Thanks, but it was totally inspired by all the others

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:33:27pm

re: #166 Walter L. Newton

I know many gay couples who have relationships as secure and normal as any other male/female couple.

Yeah! But they don't, they just hear craziness and bigotry and repeat it, because the tribalism with these people has stuck. And any "normal" gay couple, of which I know dozens, and would like to consider myself part of one, they're all outliers and flukes and blah blah stay away from muh children etc.

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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:36:32pm

OT ,, for those of you that have DIRECT TV

They have just successfully (so far) launched their newest satellite (DirecTV 12) which will increase the number and quality of HD channels you'll be able to get

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:37:08pm

re: #169 Walter L. Newton

You know that for sure? I'm not saying I know there is anything in his background. But for you to be cock sure that there isn't something in his background, something we don't know about, something that could be boring, embarrassing or earth shattering is stupid. You know no more than I do?

Something could certainly come out, but I think in our current shiny information technology age, with a zillion bloggers looking for anything to hit him on, after one of the rawest and most contentious Democratic primaries in history, Obama's past has been pretty much picked clean.

Not saying nothing's out there, just saying that the circumstances of the campiagn make it unlikely that anything monumental was missed. This isn't the 1970s anymore, we have access to a terrifying amount of information, each one of us. If something was hidden, it was hidden so well Indiana Jones couldn't find it.

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Firstinla Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:37:31pm

Learn new things everyday here on LGF. New word for the day calendar: "whataboutery". Gotta luv it.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:37:38pm

re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, that's good!

My favorite is still Ignitey Whiteys XD

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The Shadow Do Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:38:23pm

re: #178 sattv4u2

OT ,, for those of you that have DIRECT TV

They have just successfully (so far) launched their newest satellite (DirecTV 12) which will increase the number and quality of HD channels you'll be able to get

Excellent

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rurality Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:38:27pm

re: #169 Walter L. Newton

I know that Obama is hated and feared with a ferocity I have never seen so early in a term. I think it is naive to think that millions of dollars have not already been spent looking under rocks. All the birth certificate hooey, flying to Indonesia tracking records, press releases--$$$. Think of the money spent making Kerry's service in Viet Nam more suspect than Bush's (sometime) weekend warrior duty. If there was an angle to work or distort, I seriously imagine it would have already been found. I dont for a moment suspect the shovels are done, but so far...

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:38:35pm

re: #180 Stuart Leviton

Thank heaven. I remember Ryan hanging out with my previous boss at Veritel (see the May Report 3/8/2004). When we were paid on paydays, we would be asked to wait a while to cash our checks. Enuf said.

Even my penniless health care non-profit I worked for didnt do that to us! Yikes!

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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:40:25pm

re: #163 rurality

There are legions of people who have tried to find dirt on Obama and if Rezko and Ayers are the oft flogged results, well, despite all the faux hyperventilation, Obama is remarkably unsullied--especially considering his home state (and mine, sigh).

Harry Truman came up in a dirty political machine and turned out honest and capable. No reason Obama can't do the same.

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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:41:11pm

re: #183 The Shadow Do

Excellent

[Link: www.spaceflightnow.com...]

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:41:59pm

re: #179 WindUpBird

Something could certainly come out, but I think in our current shiny information technology age, with a zillion bloggers looking for anything to hit him on, after one of the rawest and most contentious Democratic primaries in history, Obama's past has been pretty much picked clean.

Not saying nothing's out there, just saying that the circumstances of the campiagn make it unlikely that anything monumental was missed. This isn't the 1970s anymore, we have access to a terrifying amount of information, each one of us. If something was hidden, it was hidden so well Indiana Jones couldn't find it.

Has anyone seen his college records? No. My point, we don't know for sure, you can't say we know for sure.

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rurality Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:42:02pm

re: #186 The Sanity Inspector

I truly hope so. It would be even more remarkable in this era of zillion dollar campaigns.

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The Shadow Do Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:43:34pm

re: #184 rurality

I know that Obama is hated and feared with a ferocity I have never seen so early in a term.

Beware selective memory. Think George Bush and inaugeration. There was a donut hole of support immediately post 9-11 that did not last long.

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Taqyia2Me Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:43:40pm

re: #180 Stuart Leviton

Thank heaven. I remember Ryan hanging out with my previous boss at Veritel (see the May Report 3/8/2004). When we were paid on paydays, we would be asked to wait a while to cash our checks. Enuf said.

Jack Ryan did mentoring at St Sabina Parish, a poor south side Roman Catholic congregation.
Father Pfleger is the pastor there.

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The Shadow Do Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:44:08pm

re: #186 The Sanity Inspector

Harry Truman came up in a dirty political machine and turned out honest and capable. No reason Obama can't do the same.

Very good point made.

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rurality Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:44:16pm

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

You really think the quality dirt is in his transcripts? I thought we didnt care about our presidents grades?

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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:45:36pm

re: #179 WindUpBird

re: #184 rurality

How many people in the country knew FDR was in a wheelchair
How many knew of JFK's indescretions before and while he was President

I think Walters point is valid. There is no way anyone can say for certainty that there is nothing there in Obamas case. Now that he is my President, I pray that there IS nothing there, as it tends to criplle the country (Hello Richard M Nixon ,,,, hows it going William J Clinton) !!

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The Shadow Do Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:46:24pm

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

Has anyone seen his college records? No. My point, we don't know for sure, you can't say we know for sure.

I believe there are no records retained of his time in the IL legislature as well, just a voting history.

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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:46:48pm

re: #193 rurality

You really think the quality dirt is in his transcripts? I thought we didnt care about our presidents grades?

Reading is comprehension, isn't it. What did I say above? "I'm not saying I know there is anything in his background." There may be NOTHING in his background. But for you to say for sure is a complete fallacy. You don't know for sure. Do you? It's a simple yes/no.

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rurality Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:47:06pm

re: #190 The Shadow Do

I dont think the emotions felt after an ugly three month, torturous process are comparable to hatred shown after a fairly decisive victory.

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Taqyia2Me Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:48:11pm

re: #195 The Shadow Do

I believe there are no records retained of his time in the IL legislature as well, just a voting history.

Funny that.

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Pacific moderate Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:48:54pm

Gee I heard a rumor that Andy Martin was gay. Granted it was me and my officemate talking, but it's still a rumor, right? And since we're both hardheaded, that should qualify as a solid rumor, right? (There was a foot fetish thrown in, by the way.)

Should Illinois Republicans now "fight for the facts about Andy Martin"? Shouldn't Andy Martin "tell Republican voters the truth"?

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rurality Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:50:37pm

re: #196 Walter L. Newton

So far have they found anything? I would answer NO, but I also, mr. reading comprehension, said I assumed digging was continuing.

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Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:50:58pm

re: #164 Spare O'Lake

Poofy panties?

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
Sploding Secrets.

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The Shadow Do Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:51:01pm

re: #197 rurality

I dont think the emotions felt after an ugly three month, torturous process are comparable to hatred shown after a fairly decisive victory.

The vitriol has not ebbed from any political sector since Monica-gate.

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Stuart Leviton Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:53:54pm

re: #191 Taqyia2MeThank you. It is good to learn something decent and generous about the man. I sure got jaded where I worked. I did not know who was getting milked and who was a willing participant in an unethical way to conduct business, to be polite about it.

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rurality Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:55:20pm

I still think it is pretty remarkable, that's why I am remarking, that considering the Illinois cesspool, Obama has so 'few' smudges. Guess I should have added, "yet", but I dont think my statement really implied the story was over.

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Taqyia2Me Mon, Dec 28, 2009 4:58:54pm

re: #203 Stuart Leviton

Thank you. It is good to learn something decent and generous about the man. I sure got jaded where I worked. I did not know who was getting milked and who was a willing participant in an unethical way to conduct business, to be polite about it.

Me too. It sucked getting told by some palooka that "you're on break now" and before "break" was over you had thousand of dollars of fundraising tickets to sell.
It is my position neither Jack Ryan nor his ex-wife Jeri Ryan wanted their divorce records unselaed, but yet they were.
In Illinois, political chicanery knows no party lines....

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avanti Mon, Dec 28, 2009 5:00:22pm

re: #178 sattv4u2

OT ,, for those of you that have DIRECT TV

They have just successfully (so far) launched their newest satellite (DirecTV 12) which will increase the number and quality of HD channels you'll be able to get

Maybe they'll catch up with Dish Network some day, but I'll stick with Dish.

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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 28, 2009 5:04:02pm

re: #206 avanti

Maybe they'll catch up with Dish Network some day, but I'll stick with Dish.

I some ways they were always ahead of DISHNET. That stated, to this day i'm amazed at what Charlie Ergen has done. I remember going to a meeting in the late 70's with him telling the crowd that he was going to build a company and a direct to home system to compete with Direct TV (who back then was owend and operated by RCA) Boy, did we laugh at him

Boy, what a dope I am that I didn't attach myself to him!

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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 28, 2009 5:04:03pm

This story pisses me off to no end. I actually have met Mark Kirk and my family has supported him in all his House runs. I'm looking forward to voting for him in the primary and if I can get a donation together, I will send it. I sick of the far right turning the GOP to slime, and I'm going to fight back.

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andres Mon, Dec 28, 2009 5:55:06pm

If NY23 repeats itself in Illinois, the filibuster-"proof" Democrat majority won't be broken here. At this rate, the Democrats might as well save their campaign money for the 2012/2014 races.

re: #29 EmmmieG

The middle-school aged kids I know loved the story about the candidate who was defeated after his opponent ran an ad that the man's brother was a homo sapiens, and his sister was a known thespian.

I was actually glad to know that the kids knew what the two terms knew to find it funny.

I'm lost at words at this. Thespian, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But "homo sapiens"? What did he consider himself, an Homo sapiens superior?

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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Dec 28, 2009 6:01:59pm

Can Martin haz teh integrity?

No he can't!

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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Dec 28, 2009 6:03:55pm

re: #5 ggt

This reminds me when a talking head for Bill Clinton tried to do some damage control and said something to the effect of,

"The President did not lie, he just made a false denial."

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andres Mon, Dec 28, 2009 6:08:58pm

re: #85 Taqyia2Me

Like the 100+ Republican amendments accepted by the Democrat majority in exchange of 0 votes?

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McNug Mon, Dec 28, 2009 6:09:26pm

Homophobia is usually a pretty convenient and almost flawlessly accurate indicator of whether or not someone is a completely useless freaking tool - perhaps even more so than anti-semitism. I say this as a Jewish straight guy.

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andres Mon, Dec 28, 2009 6:58:30pm

re: #107 beekiller

I guess I will never get what is so bad about homosexuality and why it freaks so many people out.

Oh, it's rather simple. It's unknown. You see, humans in general are very distrustful of what they don't know. And homosexuality (and sexuality in general), is tabu topic. What worsens the situation is the lack of studies of what constitutes "normal sexuality". Without the base of "normal sexuality", we can't really define what is a "deviant sexuality" (except for the extremes).

Add to the mix religion, specifically Christianity. It is a long held custom in Christianity to take out of context simple verses from the Bible to greatly emphasize the debater's point. There are a couple of verses in the Old Testament that speak against male homosexuality (not female, apparently). Taken out of context, it's quite easy to promote the idea that God hates homosexuality, and make a crusade seem heavenly-approved.

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sffilk Tue, Dec 29, 2009 6:31:58am

re: #7 Claire

WTF is a Republican Homosexual Club? Wouldn't that be, I dunno, an oxymoron of some sort?

Actually, there is a gay Republican organization called "Log Cabin Republicans."

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andres Tue, Dec 29, 2009 9:24:31am

re: #216 sffilk

Actually, there is a gay Republican organization called "Log Cabin Republicans."

And GOProud.

re: #213 McNug

Homophobia is usually a pretty convenient and almost flawlessly accurate indicator of whether or not someone is a completely useless freaking tool - perhaps even more so than anti-semitism. I say this as a Jewish straight guy.

I'll take this assertion with a grain of salt. There's an overlap, but not every homophobic is anti-semitic. The reverse is most likely true.

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xtal1004 Tue, Dec 29, 2009 2:22:59pm

You shouldn't classify this guy as a Republican. He is a nut. He used to run as a Democrat. He is an anti-Semite as well. The Republican chairmen has rejected this statement.

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wrenchwench Tue, Dec 29, 2009 2:47:42pm

re: #218 xtal1004

You shouldn't classify this guy as a Republican. He is a nut. He used to run as a Democrat. He is an anti-Semite as well. The Republican chairmen has rejected this statement.

He classified himself as a Republican.

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