1 | freetoken Tue, Dec 29, 2009 11:15:48pm |
No one knew why the ocean decided to come no closer than the fence,
But the sidewalk was happy.
Speaking of happy, two more days until a happy new year!
3 | Irenicum Tue, Dec 29, 2009 11:30:58pm |
Waves lap.
Ever evanescent expressions
lap, lap, lap
against my soul.
Ripples speak
against interceding pressures
called by nature
intersecting with
pulsations given
by god.
Poetic expressions
expressed
say more
than anything contemplated
not so completely.
(I'm a poetic type)
G'nite all.
4 | Daniel Ballard Tue, Dec 29, 2009 11:40:12pm |
Hey I'm home on vacation-I can stay up late for FENCE. Nice shot, love the forced perspective.
6 | markie Tue, Dec 29, 2009 11:45:17pm |
Hack of a waste of good timber if you ask me, which nobody has...
7 | HelloDare Tue, Dec 29, 2009 11:59:29pm |
Watch from 5:00 on.
Paul: They're terrorist because we're occupiers.
Ben Stein: That's the same anti-Semitic argument we've heard over and over.
Sheila Jackson Lee: It's sort of Bush's fault.
9 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:01:21am |
re: #7 HelloDare
Watch from 5:00 on.
[Video]Paul: They're terrorist because we're occupiers.Ben Stein: That's the same anti-Semitic argument we've heard over and over.
Sheila Jackson Lee: It's sort of Bush's fault.
The Wingularity and the Moonbat Black Hole collided and formed a void from which no sanity could escape.
10 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:02:12am |
re: #8 ralphieboy
May it stretch from sea to shining sea...
/
Along the US-Mexico border, I presume?
11 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:14:11am |
I recently re-watched it and was absolutely appalled. To start with, the whole thing is based on Greek mythology, with Ariel's father King Triton based on Triton, a Greek god. Why should any Christian child watch a movie with a 'good' character who is based on a demonic being?
(On "The Little Mermaid")
12 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:15:40am |
Then, there's the insane take on "Lilo and Stitch":
First of all from the movie previews I thought this would be a movie about a loveable little alien. I was immediately caught off guard by the way the movie started a mad scientist playing God creates a diabolical Misfit, experiment 626 or 6(66) deliberately pronounced six two six. From a christian perspective this immediately put me on High alert. Six two six, soul purpose is to destroy. Sounds like the AntiChrist to me. I am extremely offended by anyone altering or the cloning of cells and the reference to 6(66) appalls me. The movie is almost appears to me a forefront to the actual appearance of the antichrist and through its deceptive analogy. Leads us the viewers that something created to be devious can turn out to be good and That modify the gene pool is okay. I believe that these people who write and produce these movies are in league with the devil and are subtly trying to change the way we are influenced and think.
13 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:16:52am |
Some serious thoughts:
"If we all came from a "common ancestor", why would you choose to evolve into a monkey instead of going for the top of the food chain?"
14 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:19:00am |
They got movie issues:
I do not personally recommend “The Princess and the Frog.” Practicing any sort of occultic magic is directly against God and is labeled as an abomination throughout Scripture. This movie displays that voodoo magicians hold all the power of both good and evil. A PG rating would have been more appropriate; I strongly advise that younger, undiscerning children not be allowed to see it. For older children, however, “The Princess and the Frog” might serve as an platform for parents to discuss with their children the real existence of occult practices and how to identify them.
15 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:23:19am |
re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist
They got movie issues:
And musical instruments:
With all the many references to musical instruments, there is one instrument that is NEVER mentioned! The DRUM! Why is that? The drum was a very common instrument in Egypt and the lands around Israel. And yet the DRUM is NEVER mentioned in a King James Bible.
Did the Lord just forget to include the DRUM or is there another reason?
Is it because — drums are associated with voodoo, shamanism, paganism and magic rituals?
…
When the first blacks from Africa were converted to Christianity they knew the power and evil influence of DRUMS. And the converted blacks strictly forbid the use of drums! They referred to the drums as "the Devil's drum".
…
One simple guideline for Christian music is NO DRUMS!
The comments are funny as well, in a different way.
17 | freetoken Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:24:43am |
18 | Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:25:18am |
Drums...rhythm...we all know where that leads...
19 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:26:47am |
re: #18 Girth
Drums...rhythm...we all know where that leads...
Well, you know, the Mennonites discourage their young people from having sex, because all that rhythm might lead to dancing.
/
20 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:26:50am |
re: #18 Girth
Masturbating with stolen cheese? What, just me?
21 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:30:51am |
"Hitler practiced the theory of evolution; any evolutionist who does not support Hitler may be morally admirable but lacks the courage of their convictions."
I'm sure this makes sense, somehow.
22 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:30:56am |
Another appeal to the virtue of ignorance:
I have posted about this before. We have to start standing up and making sure NO tax dollars are used to fund science designed to refute the beliefs of the Christian majority. It is a waste of time and money.
There is really ONLY one logical explanation for the origin of complex, functionally specified, digitized genetic information. GOD CREATED IT — in SIX DAYS when He created the universe. Any other explanation can be torn apart.
It really irks me to know that a lot of tax dollars are wasted in places like government universities on efforts to explain “the origins of life” and the nature of the universe. It’s all there in Genesis — NO CHARGE! Just read what God has to say. God does not lie. So, why waste resources to “prove” that God’s Holy Word is false? It’s offensive that anyone would even try — let alone do that with MY money.
It is not just evolution we need to take out of schools. We need to address the whole scientific culture that says that we must “seek answers” to questions that we already KNOW the answer to. The only possible motive for that is the promotion of a deeply atheistic agenda.
23 | Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:31:42am |
The comments are actually early and often:
#1077777
ladybugny
Psalm 149:
" Praise ye the LORD.
Sing unto the LORD a new song,
and his praise in the congregation of saints.
2 Let Israel rejoice in him that made him:
let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.
3 Let them praise his name in the dance:
let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp."
The dictionary defines "timbrel" as a "small drum or tamborine".
Up yours, Terry.
12/23/2009 8:24:59 AM
#1077783
Mister Spak
The bible doesn't mention the synthesizer either. Or the piano. Or the wurlitzer. Or the internet, so get off it.
12/23/2009 8:35:10 AM
24 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:32:44am |
OK, we have a winner:
"I wish God would send me back in time so that I could drown Buddha in the Genghis River. It'd be worth it, because it would prevent him from misleading so many people into atheism."
25 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:33:19am |
re: #23 Girth
The comments are actually early and often:
#1077777
ladybugnyPsalm 149:
" Praise ye the LORD.
Sing unto the LORD a new song,
and his praise in the congregation of saints.
2 Let Israel rejoice in him that made him:
let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.
3 Let them praise his name in the dance:
let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp."The dictionary defines "timbrel" as a "small drum or tamborine".
Up yours, Terry.
12/23/2009 8:24:59 AM
#1077783
Mister SpakThe bible doesn't mention the synthesizer either. Or the piano. Or the wurlitzer. Or the internet, so get off it.
12/23/2009 8:35:10 AM
Does the Bible make any mention of a tenor sax?
26 | Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:33:27am |
re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist
"Hitler practiced the theory of evolution; any evolutionist who does not support Hitler may be morally admirable but lacks the courage of their convictions."
I'm sure this makes sense, somehow.
We need to teach Venn diagrams in school. Make it happen.
27 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:33:48am |
Well I'm glad to see people liked the site. :)
BTW the pages will go blank tomorrow night when it rolls over to a new months archive. Weird site software set-up, at the start of each month you have blank pages until quotes get added. All the quotes on there now go into the archives...just so you know.
28 | Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:34:43am |
29 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:34:59am |
re: #23 Girth
I'm just wondering aloud here....
I am no theologian, not by any means, but I don't recall The Bible ever being mentioned anywhere in The Bible. Holy Logical Conundrum, Batman!
30 | Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:35:47am |
re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm just wondering aloud here...
I am no theologian, not by any means, but I don't recall The Bible ever being mentioned anywhere in The Bible. Holy Logical Conundrum, Batman!
OH NO YOU DIDN'T...
31 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:36:18am |
re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, we have a winner:
"I wish God would send me back in time so that I could drown Buddha in the Genghis River. It'd be worth it, because it would prevent him from misleading so many people into atheism."
What a fine Chrisrian attitude, murder is ok, as long as it is in a good cause...NOT. Sigh...when the churches got into politics and stopped really teaching religion this is what we ended up with. :(
32 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:37:04am |
re: #27 ausador
Thanks for the link, BTW. I am sure it will provide smart-asses like myself with plenty of laughs.
33 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:37:18am |
re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, we have a winner:
"I wish God would send me back in time so that I could drown Buddha in the Genghis River. It'd be worth it, because it would prevent him from misleading so many people into atheism."
I wonder if this person knows the saying about killing the Buddha if you meet him on the road...
34 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:38:42am |
re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm just wondering aloud here...
I am no theologian, not by any means, but I don't recall The Bible ever being mentioned anywhere in The Bible. Holy Logical Conundrum, Batman!
A great number of things are not mentioned in the Bible. Tube socks, for example. Or kiwi fruit. Mysteriously, only some of these omissions are seen as deeply significant by modern interpreters.
35 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:40:20am |
re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist
A great number of things are not mentioned in the Bible. Tube socks, for example. Or kiwi fruit. Mysteriously, only some of these omissions are seen as deeply significant by modern interpreters.
Although I did once see an Ethiopian Jewish comedian get a great laugh when he mentioned to an audience that Ethiopia is mentioned fifty-six times or something in the Bible. Poland? Not mentioned.
36 | Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:41:06am |
re: #31 ausador
What a fine Chrisrian attitude, murder is ok, as long as it is in a good cause...NOT. Sigh...when the churches got into politics and stopped really teaching religion this is what we ended up with. :(
I only wish I could be a fly on the pearly gates when they get turned away from heaven.
37 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:41:38am |
re: #36 Girth
I only wish I could be a fly on the pearly gates when they get turned away from heaven.
There will be some impugning of St. Peter's Christianity, I'm pretty sure.
38 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:43:20am |
re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist
A great number of things are not mentioned in the Bible. Tube socks, for example. Or kiwi fruit. Mysteriously, only some of these omissions are seen as deeply significant by modern interpreters.
America, not mentioned, heck none of north america is mentioned, my mom is convinced that this is because America will fall into savagery before the Rapture...or something. Every time she has tried to explain it I cut her off and change the subject.
39 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:43:29am |
re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist
A great number of things are not mentioned in the Bible. Tube socks, for example. Or kiwi fruit. Mysteriously, only some of these omissions are seen as deeply significant by modern interpreters.
Dude! I just realized something, I'm not mentioned in the Bible! What if I don't actually exist? Arrgh!
40 | Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:44:34am |
re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist
There will be some impugning of St. Peter's Christianity, I'm pretty sure.
Charges of treason ensue.
41 | Bagua Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:44:39am |
Fence Breakin' Blues
42 | Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:45:30am |
re: #38 ausador
America, not mentioned, heck none of north america is mentioned, my mom is convinced that this is because America will fall into savagery before the Rapture...or something. Every time she has tried to explain it I cut her off and change the subject.
It's ok, Glenn Beck is a Mormon, I'm pretty sure we're covered.
43 | Bagua Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:46:52am |
re: #42 Girth
It's ok, Glenn Beck is a Mormon, I'm pretty sure we're covered.
Glenn Beck is a Morman, for real?
44 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:48:06am |
re: #38 ausador
I feel your pain bro (sis?). I get to hear a lot of irrational stretches of logic, from a certain relative, used to explain one bizarre biblical interpretation after another.
I've learned to just tune those out for the most part.
45 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:49:27am |
re: #43 Bagua
Glenn Beck is a Morman, for real?
*SPOILER ALERT*
.
.
.
.
He's also a self-professed Libertarian. Bet you didn't see that coming.
/
46 | AK-47% Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:49:27am |
All this driveling on about what is in the Bible and what is not should serve to remind us that although Holy Scriptures may be taken as the basis for our ethical and moral code, they cannot be used as the basis for legislation or government as some Dominionists would have it.
47 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:49:47am |
re: #43 Bagua
Glenn Beck is a Morman, for real?
Yes, very much so, he found religion when he got sober, from a Mormon co-worker of his.
48 | Bagua Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:52:11am |
re: #47 ausador
Yes, very much so, he found religion when he got sober, from a Mormon co-worker of his.
Oh, I didn't know that. Not that being a Morman is at all controversial to me. I know nothing about them really, just that Mitt Romney was famously one.
49 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:52:24am |
re: #38 ausador
America, not mentioned, heck none of north america is mentioned, my mom is convinced that this is because America will fall into savagery before the Rapture...or something. Every time she has tried to explain it I cut her off and change the subject.
Oh dear.
50 | ArchangelMichael Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:53:30am |
re: #45 Slumbering Behemoth
*SPOILER ALERT*
.
.
.
.
He's also a self-professed Libertarian. Bet you didn't see that coming.
/
And like most self-professed libertarians, including many in the LP, doesn't actually know what that word means anymore.
51 | Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:53:53am |
re: #47 ausador
Yes, very much so, he found religion when he got sober, from a Mormon co-worker of his.
I'm reminded of Burn After Reading:
"You have a drinking problem."
"You think I have a drinking problem? You're a fucking Mormon, next to you we ALL have a fucking drinking problem."
52 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:54:03am |
re: #43 Bagua
Glenn Beck is a Morman, for real?
Glenn Beck is a Mormon.
Just to balance things out, so is Harry Reid.
53 | TheMatrix31 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:54:38am |
It bothers me when people try to be plastic and fake in an attempt to be cordial and friendly with people who have proven to be assholes and jerks time and time and time again. After a while, any human respect for such people withers away.
Maybe its just me.
55 | Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:55:43am |
re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist
Glenn Beck is a Mormon.
Just to balance things out, so is Harry Reid.
Mormons across the U.S. would appreciate it if you stop now.
56 | Bagua Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:57:00am |
re: #50 ArchangelMichael
And like most self-professed libertarians, including many in the LP, doesn't actually know what that word means anymore.
I'd always been fond of the beliefs of libertarians, though I've never studied the idea in any depth. I do favour personal freedom almost to the point of anarchy.
Then came Ron Paul, and Glenn Beck. It's no longer cool to be a libertarian without disclamers.
57 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:59:26am |
re: #44 Slumbering Behemoth
I feel your pain bro (sis?). I get to hear a lot of irrational stretches of logic, from a certain relative, used to explain one bizarre biblical interpretation after another.
I've learned to just tune those out for the most part.
The last conversation was something like...
Her: "America must be going to fall"
Me: "Why?"
Her: "Because when Gog and Magog attack Israel America isn't even mentioned and we have always been their best allie"
Me: "Well doesn't God destroy all three countries attacking armies in like 10 seconds and not even a single Israel is injured?"
Her: "Yes, the bible says...(5 minute speech)
Me: "Well if God is going to wipe them out then why would we be mentioned? It isn't like he needs our help."
Her: *blink*
58 | Girth Wed, Dec 30, 2009 12:59:55am |
I was a libertarian before it was cool. Then I jumped ship when all the poseurs started showing up at the concerts.
/kinda
59 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:00:51am |
re: #55 Girth
Mormons across the U.S. would appreciate it if you stop now.
Uh...yes, I probably should, shouldn't I?
60 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:01:51am |
re: #53 TheMatrix31
It bothers me when people try to be plastic and fake in an attempt to be cordial and friendly with people who have proven to be assholes and jerks time and time and time again. After a while, any human respect for such people withers away.
Maybe its just me.
Do you have a point, or are you just having a bad day?
61 | TheMatrix31 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:04:05am |
re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth
If you think hard enough-- it'll come to ya.
But it applies in general, too.
63 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:05:37am |
Sorry, here's Ray:
In reply to if evolution isn't true, how do you explain things like the blind spot in the human eye?
I don’t have a blind spot in my eye. Both of them see very well and I am thankful for the 137million light sensitive cells that make sight possible. Do you have a blind spot in your eye? If you do, I suggest that you see an optician and see if he can either fix it, or get you another eye.
64 | ArchangelMichael Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:05:56am |
re: #56 Bagua
I'd always been fond of the beliefs of libertarians, though I've never studied the idea in any depth. I do favour personal freedom almost to the point of anarchy.
Then came Ron Paul, and Glenn Beck. It's no longer cool to be a libertarian without disclamers.
Originally the LP was created by conservatives dissatisfied with a number of policies of the Nixon Administration they viewed as 'big intrusive government'. They chose the name libertarian because they felt they were Classical Liberals, but the word "liberal" had been co-opted by the left.
Unfortunately at the same time as this group split from the Republicans, all the kooks and JBS people joined them since they had already been pushed out by Goldwater and Buckley. When Reagan came to prominence at the end of the 70s, most of the sane members of the LP left and rejoined the Republican party. The few sane left in the LP were turned off by Reagan playing lip-service to the Religious Right. They were far outnumbered by kooks though, and have been ever since.
It was a good idea that was corrupted and destroyed by conspiracy kooks, anarchocapitalists, and the JBS. Luap Nor and Glenn Beck are indicative of this.
65 | ArchangelMichael Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:07:18am |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
"I ain't no monkey!"
That's not that far removed from what that guy said.
66 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:07:32am |
All right. I need to stop making fun of strange people, and go to sleep.
Night all.
67 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:07:44am |
68 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:11:41am |
re: #57 ausador
Heh, we might be related.
Me: "I don't see the point of the Book of Job. Seems out of place to me".
Her: "It's about keeping faith in the face of extreme tragedy".
Me: "Okay, but why would God need to make a bet with Lucifer, and give him the go ahead to fuck up someone's life"?
Her: "To put Satan in his place".
Me: "Wasn't that point already made when God kicked him out of Heaven"?
Her: *blink blink*
69 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:17:20am |
re: #61 TheMatrix31
If you think hard enough-- it'll come to ya.
No, it won't, because I won't think hard on it. I don't deal in vague commentary. It seems craven too me. I prefer direct speech.
By your response, I assume you weren't simply referring to something that happened to you today in the real world, but were making a cryptic statement about someone here without addressing them directly. Am I wrong?
70 | ArchangelMichael Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:20:36am |
re: #57 ausador
I used to have similar conversations with the resident "we are in/near the endtimes" person at work. He had all these charts and notes and even was trying to start a line of endtimes related clothing. He made a number of concrete "this absolutely has to happen" predictions about 2008 and 2009. Not a single one actually happened. I haven't heard a peep out of him on the subject since.
My answer to everything was usually something like this: "At any given point in history going back to the first century, people thought that and 'had it all figured out' too. You don't actually think no one thought that the Great Depression and WW2 were the tribulation and endtimes do you?"
71 | Bagua Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:22:28am |
re: #52 SanFranciscoZionist
Glenn Beck is a Mormon.
Just to balance things out, so is Harry Reid.
Egads! Well I hope those two are not representative of typical Mormon politics.
72 | TheMatrix31 Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:23:45am |
re: #69 Slumbering Behemoth
It's both, actually. Reading through the last thread got me thinking about Los Angeles and the problems this place has, and maybe that acting in that plasticy fashion is not limited to LA. It was a real revelation for me, who's trying to figure out his place here (in Los Angeles, I mean).
73 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:27:37am |
In fact, there would have been less than 1 chance / 100000000 (hundred of zeros) that the Big Bang would not have resulted in a cloud of dust because the result of an explosion without laws is always disorganised. There are no sign of intelligence in explosions contrarily to what evolutionists think. I have never seen a bomb expode and build a temple in the process of the explosion. This is the same thing. Ok, this is the simple argument, I have explained it widely because I know most evolutionists don't want to see that the second law of thermodynamics render the evolution impossible.
You just gotta love people whose egos are ten times the size of their intellect, always good for a laugh. ;)
74 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:29:44am |
re: #72 TheMatrix31
That's not really a direct answer to my question. I guess you don't want to clarify, and I don't really want to press the issue right now. I need to sack out anyhow.
G'nite Lizards.
75 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:30:27am |
re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth
Goodnight. :)
76 | Bagua Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:32:57am |
re: #64 ArchangelMichael
Interesting, I had thought the philosophy went back further. I'll have to read up on it.
Certainly the current kooks are discrediting the libertarian side.
America is a two party state at this point, what the major parties think appears the most relevant to me, so I don't really consider the fringe parties much.
Similar in the UK, though it's necessary to be aware of more parties, the fringe nutters are really more to be pitied than scorned. At least historically.
That is changing, but I don't expect that change in the US.
77 | Bagua Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:33:47am |
re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth
That's not really a direct answer to my question. I guess you don't want to clarify, and I don't really want to press the issue right now. I need to sack out anyhow.
G'nite Lizards.
Goodnight Somnolent Monster.
78 | Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:42:25am |
[About the sixth day of creation]This means that each kind of dinosuar was created on the same day that god made the first two people, Adam and Eve! Do you realize what that means?
It means dinosuars and people lived toghether!
lol...by our old buddy (creation museum) Ken Ham no less, in his "Dinosaurs for Kids" book.
79 | ArchangelMichael Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:45:57am |
re: #76 Bagua
The philosophy technically goes back to enlightenment philosophers in the 1700s, and has been a part of American politics in varying degrees since the founding. The actual Libertarian Party though, is a product of the early 1970s.
80 | Bagua Wed, Dec 30, 2009 1:49:29am |
81 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:59:14am |
re: #80 Bagua
re: #79 ArchangelMichael
I see, now I understand. I hadn't clocked on to the difference between the political philosophy and the political party.
Like the Conservative Party in Britain, many will argue they are anything but Conservative.
Or like you have a "friend" who won a Nobel in physics... OMG... that was the bet lie you've told yet :)
82 | Blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:36:45am |
re: #55 Girth
Mormons across the U.S. would appreciate it if you stop now.
She is rubbing it in isn't she ? :)))
83 | Blueheron Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:38:53am |
re: #59 SanFranciscoZionist
Uh...yes, I probably should, shouldn't I?
Well you ARE on a roll so why stop? :))
84 | HelloDare Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:41:06am |
Security sources are concerned that the picture emerging of his undergraduate years suggests that he was recruited by al-Qaeda in London. Security sources said that Islamist radicalisation was rife on university campuses, especially in London, and that college authorities had “a patchy record in facing up to the problem”. Previous anti-terrorist inquiries have uncovered evidence of extremists using political meetings and religious study circles to identify potential recruits.
He is the fourth president of a London student Islamic society to face terrorist charges in three years. One is facing a retrial on charges that he was involved in the 2006 liquid bomb plot to blow up airliners. Two others have been convicted of terrorist offences since 2007.
Mr Abdulmutallab left UCL last year. The Times has learnt that his attempt to renew his student visa in May this year was based on an application to study “life coaching” at a non-existent college. That visa refusal may have saved Britain from an attack.
85 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 3:58:55am |
*Stretches legs*
*Looks around*
*Scratches self*
*Turns around*
*Starts to leave*
*pauses with his hand on the doorknob*...
86 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:01:11am |
re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
*Stretches legs*
*Looks around*
*Scratches self*
*Turns around*
*Starts to leave**pauses with his hand on the doorknob*...
Mornin'. I was about to leave myself, after viewing the carnage in the last several threads. Looks like an 11-hour stalk-and-rant may have finally blown itself out, but I'm not sure.
87 | RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:03:35am |
re: #56 Bagua
I'd always been fond of the beliefs of libertarians, though I've never studied the idea in any depth. I do favour personal freedom almost to the point of anarchy.
Then came Ron Paul, and Glenn Beck. It's no longer cool to be a libertarian without disclamers.
Exactly. There is a reason I generally don't call myself a "L"ibertarian or an atheist in public.
Mornin People!
88 | RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:07:56am |
Since I missed the torture thread I'll post this here:
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
Prospero Lassi says he suffered a diabetes-induced seizure at home on April 9. His roommate called 911, and police from LaGrange Park and Brookfield responded, with EMTs from LaGrange Park.
Lassi says his roommate explained to police that he was having a diabetic seizure. Lassi "was not alert and could not move his body."
When the EMTs asked the cops to help them move Lassi from where he was lying on the floor, Lassi says, one of his "arms flailed during his diabetes-induced seizure, striking one of the LaGrange and Brookfield defendants. At no time did Mr. Lassi intentionally strike or offensively touch any of the LaGrange or Brookfield defendants."
Lassi says LaGrange Park Officer Darren Pedota responded by Tasering him 11 times, for nearly a minute, as he lay helpless.
He was hospitalized for 5 days, and was unable to work for 3 months because of the attack, "and his quality of life has suffered substantially," Lassi says.
89 | RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:09:02am |
I don't think I've ever seen a thread with so few people. I show up and everyone bails? I think my feelings are hurt./
90 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:12:12am |
re: #89 RogueOne
I don't think I've ever seen a thread with so few people. I show up and everyone bails? I think my feelings are hurt./
Someone was working out their OCD for about 11 hours straight, and drove everyone off from the looks of things.
91 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:13:03am |
So, why are people getting so worked up lately.
Can't everybody just get along?
"Rodney King deserved to get beat up, for being a growed up man driving a Hyundai!"
-Cederick the Entertainer, Barbershop
92 | RadicalModerate Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:14:06am |
re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth
Just spent the past hour or so reading the insanity they've so helpfully documented there, and may have come across one of the most deranged posts of all time.
You'll also notice that the marks on Obama's knees, which in the smaller black and white photo look like ordinary scrap marks typical of a kid of his age, now stand out more clearly and they somehow look "odd".
With the color added, you also notice the strange bumpiness of his hands that stand out more sharply. When I enlarge and crop these areas in the photos seen below, you will see very distinct images of etheric entities: some alien-looking, some human-like, and and others animal-like. The "bumpiness" of his hands, when enlarged, reveal the tell-tale reptilian feature of scale-like appearance to the skin. And within that scaly skin appearance are images of reptilian entities
93 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:15:39am |
re: #92 RadicalModerate
Holy lizard skin, Batman!
94 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:17:46am |
re: #88 RogueOne
Since I missed the torture thread I'll post this here:
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
Holy shit. Where did this happen?
I'm diabetic, and have had several diabetic seizures over the years. EMT always shows up accompanied by the police -and the police are trained to stand back out of the way, or to render assistance when asked. They are well informed about seizures of different kinds, so if they arrive first they can at least make sure the victim doesn't thrash against something hard and heavy, and hurt themselves.
The kind of behavior described here is beyond inexcusable, especially since there were EMT personnel on the scene who certainly informed the police of what was going on.
Sounds like the victim was, after a very long time, OK (recovery from a seizure typically takes minutes once glucose is administered, not months). I wish him good luck and an early retirement when he wins several lawsuits against the morons who attacked him. Although if I were him, I'd probably move somewhere else, given that property taxes will have to be raised to cover his court awards.
95 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:18:54am |
re: #92 RadicalModerate
Just spent the past hour or so reading the insanity they've so helpfully documented there, and may have come across one of the most deranged posts of all time.
Glad to see that the Ickians are on the case.
96 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:20:18am |
re: #92 RadicalModerate
Wow. So Obama is a lizard?
Good Morning LGF
97 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:21:22am |
re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So, why are people getting so worked up lately.
Can't everybody just get along?
"Rodney King deserved to get beat up, for being a growed up man driving a Hyundai!"
-Cederick the Entertainer, Barbershop
There seems to be a single source of provocation. I'm doing my best to ignore it, but the last several threads are a complete mess.
98 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:22:44am |
re: #96 Spare O'Lake
Wow. So Obama is a lizard?
Good Morning LGF
See, that is the kind of bullshit I hate. Obama is a shape shifter. Geez./ And good morning to all after the best nights sleep I have had in 2 weeks.:)
99 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:23:03am |
re: #94 SixDegrees
My wife's a diabetic. Not a very brittle one, has never had a seizure that I know of. Sorry about that Six.
I think that in the near future there are going to be transplants for diabetics (Type A, anyway)... what a messed up condition.
She's been diabetic since the age of 17. It would be cool to just get a pancreas transplant, huh?
100 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:25:26am |
re: #97 SixDegrees
LGF seems to have a tag-team provocation group... have have re-thunk my recent opinion of the "scrap starters".
People are being dumb asses by being lured in (IMO).
101 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:26:10am |
re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar
See, that is the kind of bullshit I hate. Obama is a shape shifter. Geez./ And good morning to all after the best nights sleep I have had in 2 weeks.:)
Zapped with Obama's Alien Sleep Ray?
102 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:28:01am |
re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My wife's a diabetic. Not a very brittle one, has never had a seizure that I know of. Sorry about that Six.
I think that in the near future there are going to be transplants for diabetics (Type A, anyway)... what a messed up condition.
She's been diabetic since the age of 17. It would be cool to just get a pancreas transplant, huh?
I could use one. But there are major downsides to transplants - like anti-rejection drugs. Right now, they're worse than the diabetes.
I haven't had my blood sugar collapse and induce a seizure for several years, thanks to more careful control. I don't remember any of the seizure I have had, but apparently it scares the hell out of people.
Then there's the other end of the scale - massively high blood sugar causing diabetic coma. Been there, too - two days of my life completely gone, with people making final arrangements for me. Which pissed me off when I came out of it, because no one had included the chorus line or the John Phillip Sousa marching band I had so clearly indicated I wanted. At least I wised up enough to get important stuff like that down in writing and filed with my attorney. I want my estate blown on entertainment, not on my heirs.
103 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:28:06am |
re: #101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Zapped with Obama's Alien Sleep Ray?
Could be. Or it could be that I had 3 beers and a big bowl of cereal after work. And didn't have the radio or TV on. I vote "beer."
104 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:29:03am |
re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar
That discovered paycheck mebbe?
105 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:29:12am |
re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
LGF seems to have a tag-team provocation group... have have re-thunk my recent opinion of the "scrap starters".
People are being dumb asses by being lured in (IMO).
I tend to agree with you. Best not to feed the trolls.
106 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:31:00am |
108 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:32:48am |
re: #106 Cannadian Club Akbar
90 days or you may have to get the check re-cut...
109 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:34:27am |
re: #108 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
90 days or you may have to get the check re-cut...
180. Gonna squeeze that money tight in case I have to make a job change, which I see in my future.
110 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:35:18am |
re: #109 Cannadian Club Akbar
Ahhh. Okay! Could swear it used to be 90.
111 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:36:14am |
Evening honcos. 2 Bottom comments? I should make myself a medal for that.
112 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:36:35am |
Just a drive by, started my new job yesterday at the LARGE non-profit thrift store. My title is "Furniture Pricer."
Ha... What they don't tell you until you sign on the dotted line. The title should be...
"Furniture /Hauler/Cleaner/Hauler/Fixer/Hauler/Mover/Hauler/Sweeper/Hauler/Pricer..."
Ah... the joys of physical labor at the age of 57.
113 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:37:47am |
re: #112 Walter L. Newton
Good luck with your new job, man. Even better you've got one in these times.
114 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:38:20am |
re: #112 Walter L. Newton
Glad you lost all that weight, huh!?
And in the theatre you were...
"Furniture /Hauler/Cleaner/Hauler/Actor/Fixer/Hauler/Mover/Hauler/S weeper/Hauler/..."
115 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:38:38am |
re: #112 Walter L. Newton
I prefer "antique lounging specialist.":)
117 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:40:08am |
re: #100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
LGF seems to have a tag-team provocation group... have have re-thunk my recent opinion of the "scrap starters".
People are being dumb asses by being lured in (IMO).
Does LGF have a tag team introduction service?
118 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:40:27am |
re: #114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Glad you lost all that weight, huh!?
And in the theatre you were...
"Furniture /Hauler/Cleaner/Hauler/Actor/Fixer/Hauler/Mover/Hauler/S weeper/Hauler/..."
That's about right actually. Oh... ouch.
119 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:40:32am |
re: #116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What's up with that?
See previous thread, starting with #9, and regretting nothing.
120 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:41:30am |
re: #113 lazardo
Good luck with your new job, man. Even better you've got one in these times.
No kidding. The stipend sized salary at the theatre was just catching up with me, and since I can't find programming work, this is a good bet.
121 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:43:22am |
re: #118 Walter L. Newton
No rest for the weary in a non-union theatre.
"Romeo, Romeo where for art thou, Romeo? Great, here, Romeo, grab the other end of this trellis. We'll be running scene two in 15."
122 | ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:43:57am |
re: #112 Walter L. Newton
Just a drive by, started my new job yesterday at the LARGE non-profit thrift store. My title is "Furniture Pricer."
Ha... What they don't tell you until you sign on the dotted line. The title should be...
"Furniture /Hauler/Cleaner/Hauler/Fixer/Hauler/Mover/Hauler/S weeper/Hauler/Pricer..."
Ah... the joys of physical labor at the age of 57.
Once your body gets used to it, all that exercise will help to keep you in good shape.
123 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:46:12am |
re: #122 ryannon
Once your body gets used to it, all that exercise will help to keep you in good shape.
That's what I am expecting, I',m not totally physically unable to break a sweat, but it's been a while and this morning, there's a good amount of stiffness. It should work out, and I stopped going to the gym about a year ago, so this may take up that slack.
124 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:46:22am |
re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No rest for the weary in a non-union theatre.
"Romeo, Romeo where for art thou, Romeo? Great, here, Romeo, grab the other end of this trellis. We'll be running scene two in 15."
"A strike! A strike on all your matinees!"
125 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:46:47am |
re: #114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Glad you lost all that weight, huh!?
And in the theatre you were...
"Furniture /Hauler/Cleaner/Hauler/Actor/Fixer/Hauler/Mover/Hauler/S weeper/Hauler/..."
re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No rest for the weary in a non-union theatre.
"Romeo, Romeo where for art thou, Romeo? Great, here, Romeo, grab the other end of this trellis. We'll be running scene two in 15."
LOL.
126 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:47:14am |
re: #120 Walter L. Newton
No kidding. The stipend sized salary at the theatre was just catching up with me, and since I can't find programming work, this is a good bet.
Tell ya what, down here thrift stores and dollar stores are always busy. A good bet for employment for a while, I would guess.
127 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:48:42am |
re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar
Tell ya what, down here thrift stores and dollar stores are always busy. A good bet for employment for a while, I would guess.
Believe it or not, this position starts at two dollars over minimum, which is very surprising.
128 | RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:49:53am |
re: #90 SixDegrees
I caught the end of the last thread, seemed people were a little irritable.
129 | ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:51:06am |
re: #123 Walter L. Newton
That's what I am expecting, I',m not totally physically unable to break a sweat, but it's been a while and this morning, there's a good amount of stiffness. It should work out, and I stopped going to the gym about a year ago, so this may take up that slack.
I did a grape harvest once. The people who had done it before told me that first three days are hell, and then you get into it. They were right. It's still back-breaking work, but I can't imagine that your own position is as continuously labor-intensive.
Also, if you know anything about antiques, contemporary classics and collectibles, you'll probably be in for some interesting finds.... Once again, best of luck to you!
130 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:52:10am |
re: #121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And of course, furniture covers electronics. I fixed a 1970's electronic spinet organ yesterday (which would have been trashed), but together a computer system from misc components and cleaned up a Pachinko machine, all items I knew how to work on from past experience. I use to work in an music store, organ department in the 70's, of course I know how to build computers and I actually worked part time in the 80's for the dude (Rag Gelotti) who introduced Pachinko to the US.
Jack of all trades, master of...
131 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:53:11am |
re: #128 RogueOne
I caught the end of the last thread, seemed people were a little irritable.
The "____ists say the darndest things" link is cool though. It's like 4chan, only you really can't believe the people who say those things are actually serious.
132 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:53:19am |
re: #120 Walter L. Newton
I'm very good at what I do, and make a pretty good living at it. That being said, the month of December, historically for me, my income drops by 75%.
I vow "By Grabthar's hammer, by the sons of Worvan" I will take the last two weeks of the year off next year.
133 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:53:32am |
134 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:53:51am |
re: #130 Walter L. Newton
Hell, I'd take home whatever isn't wanted, fix it and put it on Craigs List. No charge and things generally sell fast.
135 | RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:54:20am |
re: #94 SixDegrees
The tasering happened in Chicago. I've read at least a 1/2 dozen times this year where cops have tasered people who were having some form of seizure. A few months ago in Indy a guy had a seizure on the interstate and someone called it in as a possible drunk driver. The guy had managed to pull over to the side of the road by the time the cops showed. When he didn't respond to their demands to get out of the vehicle they closed down the interstate for an hour trying to talk a comatose man out of his vehicle before they finally busted out his window and gassed him before dragging him out. oops.
136 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:56:02am |
re: #135 RogueOne
That being said, better a taser than a .45. Still stupid, mind you, but...
137 | ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:56:11am |
Eames furniture! A late 40s Wurlitzer juke-box! Carnival glass! A mint Amiga 500! May it all start raining down on your head!
138 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:56:45am |
re: #134 Cannadian Club Akbar
Hell, I'd take home whatever isn't wanted, fix it and put it on Craigs List. No charge and things generally sell fast.
No can do. Can't dumpster dive. Since employees are responsible for pricer or trashing, that would be a conflict of interest... you want something, you trash it and get it later.
No, we can but items we didn't price ourselves at 30 percent off, and if it's something we priced ourselves, we need a supervisor to sign off on it. We do get 24 hour hold on what we want, we get first dibs.
140 | RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:58:10am |
re: #131 lazardo
The "___ists say the darndest things" link is cool though. It's like 4chan, only you really can't believe the people who say those things are actually serious.
I love 4Chan. Nothing cracks me up like a good flame war.
141 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:58:46am |
re: #137 ryannon
Eames furniture! A late 40s Wurlitzer juke-box! Carnival glass! A mint Amiga 500! May it all start raining down on your head!
When I had oddles of money, in the past, I use to collect and restore coin operated antiques of all sorts. I had some kick ass game rooms in the past.
142 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:59:54am |
re: #140 RogueOne
I love 4Chan. Nothing cracks me up like a good flame war.
/b/ got boring though, so I mainly hang out on /v/. My little bro is a die-hard /k/ommando, apparently.
143 | RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 4:59:59am |
re: #141 Walter L. Newton
When I had oddles of money, in the past, I use to collect and restore coin operated antiques of all sorts. I had some kick ass game rooms in the past.
That's a hobby I tried to start but quickly found out I didn't have the time or money. I have an old "Defender" game as a memento.
144 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:00:14am |
Bye, I'm off at 3:30... I'll be back.
145 | RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:00:49am |
re: #142 lazardo
/b/ got boring though, so I mainly hang out on /v/. My little bro is a die-hard /k/ommando, apparently.
I never participate, I'm a lurker everywhere but here.
146 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:01:02am |
re: #135 RogueOne
The tasering happened in Chicago. I've read at least a 1/2 dozen times this year where cops have tasered people who were having some form of seizure. A few months ago in Indy a guy had a seizure on the interstate and someone called it in as a possible drunk driver. The guy had managed to pull over to the side of the road by the time the cops showed. When he didn't respond to their demands to get out of the vehicle they closed down the interstate for an hour trying to talk a comatose man out of his vehicle before they finally busted out his window and gassed him before dragging him out. oops.
Unbelievable.
My doctor, at one point, advised me to get a Medic Alert tag; I wear one on a necklace, so EMT folks can skip a lot of diagnostic BS and get straight to the problem, and also because in it's early stages, a sugar crash makes a person behave somewhat like a drunk - loss of motor control, slurred speech, and so forth - and police are supposed to be trained to look for MA tags.
I'm appalled to hear about cases like this. I would have an attorney eating those police departments for lunch in a heartbeat.
148 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:01:32am |
Morning Lizards,
I observed the last couple threads and subsequent chaos. Pretty much stayed clear of the carnage.
Gotta go brief to fly in a couple.
149 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:02:07am |
re: #137 ryannon
Eames furniture! A late 40s Wurlitzer juke-box! Carnival glass! A mint Amiga 500! May it all start raining down on your head!
What's a mint Amiga worth? I have a couple of them in original packaging.
Many, I loved that machine.
150 | ryannon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:03:42am |
re: #149 SixDegrees
What's a mint Amiga worth? I have a couple of them in original packaging.
Many, I loved that machine.
I haven't the slightest. But I do know that they're considered collectibles. Put one on the 'bay and see what happens....
152 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:04:10am |
re: #148 rwdflynavy
Morning Lizards,
I observed the last couple threads and subsequent chaos. Pretty much stayed clear of the carnage.
Gotta go brief to fly in a couple.
I just keep away from that BS. I come here to learn, have fun and smart conversation. Not to walk away all pissed.
153 | RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:04:14am |
re: #146 SixDegrees
The guy in Indy took it real well. At first the local news was reporting the guy was trying to kill himself, where they got that idea I don't know. Struck me funny they were out there for an hour trying to talk to a guy in a coma and no one got close enough to see wtf was going on until they decided to toss in the gas.
154 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:04:36am |
re: #150 ryannon
I haven't the slightest. But I do know that they're considered collectibles. Put one on the 'bay and see what happens...
One of them is an original model, with the designer's signatures inside the case.
I may have to do some research.
155 | RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:04:49am |
re: #148 rwdflynavy
I've been meaning to ask, are you active duty or civilian?
156 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:05:49am |
My blood's so mad, feels like coagulatin'
I'm sittin' here just contemplatin.
157 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:06:35am |
re: #156 Spare O'Lake
My blood's so mad, feels like coagulatin'
I'm sittin' here just contemplatin.
And I said stop children, what's that sound, everybody look what's goin down~
158 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:06:56am |
re: #155 RogueOne
I've been meaning to ask, are you active duty or civilian?
Active duty helo pilot. Beats workin for a livin!
159 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:06:59am |
re: #155 RogueOne
I've been meaning to ask, are you active duty or civilian?
He's the man! That's what he is. Damn handsome too!
160 | SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:08:00am |
re: #148 rwdflynavy
Morning Lizards,
I observed the last couple threads and subsequent chaos. Pretty much stayed clear of the carnage.
I miss all the fun stuff.
Let's get a couple of voice actors to a thread with a high attrition rate, set it to music (Specifically the song "Let the Bodies hit the Floor") and put it on YouTube. We'll be the next internet sensation!
161 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:09:39am |
re: #160 SteveC
Let's get a couple of voice actors to a thread with a high attrition rate, set it to music (Specifically the song "Let the Bodies hit the Floor") and put it on YouTube. We'll be the next internet sensation!
They do that on the John Gibson radio show sometimes... it is hysterical. Christine and Angry Rich read posts from Kos, Freep, etc... whole lot of bleeps go on there.
162 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:10:34am |
163 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:11:14am |
164 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:11:59am |
re: #157 lazardo
And I said stop children, what's that sound, everybody look what's goin down~
And the big fool says to push on.
165 | RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:13:19am |
re: #158 rwdflynavy
What a cool job. My brother was a chief air crewman in the marines. I think he was on a CH-53? I went to visit him once at Cherry Point, NC and it looked like a big ass bus with rotars.
167 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:14:09am |
168 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:14:36am |
re: #165 RogueOne
What a cool job. My brother was a chief air crewman in the marines. I think he was on a CH-53? I went to visit him once at Cherry Point, NC and it looked like a big ass bus with rotars.
I fly the SH-60B, quite a bit smaller than the 53, that thing is a beast!!
169 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:15:23am |
re: #168 rwdflynavy
I fly the SH-60B, quite a bit smaller than the 53, that thing is a beast!!
If anyone checks, my avatar is a SH-2F, the first helo I flew in the fleet.
171 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:17:25am |
re: #160 SteveC
I miss all the fun stuff.
Let's get a couple of voice actors to a thread with a high attrition rate, set it to music (Specifically the song "Let the Bodies hit the Floor") and put it on YouTube. We'll be the next internet sensation!
I'd be happy to if my Dell laptop with Windows 7 didn't keep my mic port muted and disabled.
/and yes, I tried the registry fix.
172 | RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:17:27am |
re: #170 SteveC
Yeah, at the time I was a young army officer in a mech infantry unit. The worst thing that could happen to me if the engine went out is I was stuck in the middle of BFE. Piloting is a dangerous profession in the military.
173 | SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:18:57am |
Q: What is the propeller on an airplane used for?
A: It is an air conditioner.
Observe closely: Should the propeller stop turning, the pilot will begin to sweat - profusely! When the propeller resumes turning the pilot will no longer sweat.
174 | RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:19:34am |
re: #171 lazardo
I'd be happy to if my Dell laptop with Windows 7 didn't keep my mic port muted and disabled.
/and yes, I tried the registry fix.
A buddy got his new Dell laptop for xmas. It showed up with a bad motherboard. Merry Xmas!
175 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:20:45am |
re: #174 RogueOne
A buddy got his new Dell laptop for xmas. It showed up with a bad motherboard. Merry Xmas!
Mine's from 2004. Only had to replace bits and pieces but still running strong.
Better than HP though. Relative abroad shipped my little bro a new HP laptop for his graduation. Broke down just after warranty gave out, and the repair cost was more than the laptop was bought for.
176 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:21:04am |
re: #173 SteveC
Q: What is the propeller on an airplane used for?
A: It is an air conditioner.
Observe closely: Should the propeller stop turning, the pilot will begin to sweat - profusely! When the propeller resumes turning the pilot will no longer sweat.
I used to joke that there was no such thing as a water landing. Sully Sullenberger ruined that for my. (the plane that landed in the Hudson)
177 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:21:41am |
re: #174 RogueOne
A buddy got his new Dell laptop for xmas. It showed up with a bad motherboard. Merry Xmas!
My son has had problems with his Dell laptop as well; the keyboard loses certain keys once in a while.
Dell's quality control seems to have slipped badly on laptops. Their desktop machines seem to work fine, or maybe I've just been lucky.
178 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:21:55am |
re: #176 Cannadian Club Akbar
I used to joke that there was no such thing as a water landing. Sully Sullenberger ruined that for my. (the plane that landed in the Hudson)
my=me, PIMF, geez.
179 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:23:45am |
re: #177 SixDegrees
My son has had problems with his Dell laptop as well; the keyboard loses certain keys once in a while.
Dell's quality control seems to have slipped badly on laptops. Their desktop machines seem to work fine, or maybe I've just been lucky.
I have 2 Dell laptops. The older one's keyboard went batshit crazy. I bought an external keyboard and mouse. Then, it just fixed itself. Still works fine, though.
180 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:23:58am |
re: #176 Cannadian Club Akbar
I used to joke that there was no such thing as a water landing. Sully Sullenberger ruined that for my. (the plane that landed in the Hudson)
Now that was one helluva feat. That guy must make loud brass clanking sounds when he walks.
181 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:24:28am |
re: #179 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have 2 Dell laptops. The older one's keyboard went batshit crazy. I bought an external keyboard and mouse. Then, it just fixed itself. Still works fine, though.
Sounds very familiar. That's been his experience, as well.
182 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:25:23am |
re: #170 SteveC
It has to be a cool job. But I keep reminding myself that helicopters tend not to glide very well.
No, but they do autorotate. BBL
183 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:26:25am |
SNIP
Police chief Gen. Ismail Ahmadi Moghaddam made a harsh threat to protesters to stay off the streets.
"In dealing with previous protests, police showed leniency. But given that these opponents are seeking to topple (the ruling system), there will be no mercy," Moghaddam said, according to IRNA. "We will take severe action. The era of tolerance is over. Anyone attending such rallies will be crushed."
He said more than 500 protesters who took part in Sunday's demonstrations have been arrested but the number may be higher since hardline Basij militiamen and intelligence agents may have apprehended more people on their own.
SNIP
184 | SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:26:53am |
re: #174 RogueOne
A buddy got his new Dell laptop for xmas. It showed up with a bad motherboard. Merry Xmas!
I got a new laptop 2 years ago, the screen flickered continuously. If you're old enough to remember TVs with Vertical Control and Horizontal Control knobs, it looked as if someone had turned the Horizontal Control knob. So I sent it back.
Telephone rigs a couple of days later, it is So-and-so from HP Quality Control. They have had several laptops opf this model come back with this problem; he wanted my permission to take my computer completely apart and diagnose it to try to find the problem. I told him yes, but added 6 to 8 months to the total repair time in my head. Then he says that as a "Thank You" HP would send me, free of charge, their latest laptop! The nameplate says it is the HP-2007-XX and for a few months, they didn't have anything comparable online or in the catalog.
185 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:28:24am |
re: #182 rwdflynavy
No, but they do autorotate. BBL
Sometimes. Several years ago, a well-known radio traffic reporter was getting recertified, and during the autorotation part of the test...it didn't. Two broken legs, several crushed vertebrae and a laundry list of other injuries, he was off for over a year.
Still flying, though, as far as I know.
186 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:28:48am |
re: #183 MandyManners
This one's an old article, but when the Iranians say the crackdown tactics are "worse than the Zionists", you know it's THAT bad.
187 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:29:05am |
The body-scanning technology is in at least 19 U.S. airports, while European officials have generally limited it to test runs.
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian accused of trying to ignite explosives aboard a Northwest Airlines jet as it was coming in for a landing in Detroit, did not go through such a scan where his flight began, at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport.
The full-body scanner "could have been helpful in this case, absolutely," said Evert van Zwol, head of the Dutch Pilots Association.
But the technology has raised significant concerns among privacy watchdogs because it can show the body's contours with embarrassing clarity. Those fears have slowed the introduction of the machines.
SNIP
188 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:30:42am |
re: #187 MandyManners
The just Dutch announced they are installing full body scanners at their airports immediately for flights heading to America.
189 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:30:49am |
re: #187 MandyManners
But the technology has raised significant concerns among privacy watchdogs because it can show the body's contours with embarrassing clarity. Those fears have slowed the introduction of the machines.
The machines are expected to be installed and operational in airports across Japan within the next few weeks.
/better than cellphone cameras! *^-^*
190 | charlz Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:31:29am |
re: #177 SixDegrees
Dell's quality control seems to have slipped badly on laptops. Their desktop machines seem to work fine, or maybe I've just been lucky.
It depends on when they were built. From 2006 - 2008 Dell PCs had widespread problems with motherboards melting down. We bought 300 of them at work and 2/3 melted within 2 years. Cost cutting > cheap components > poor quality > one IT division that remains pretty suspicious fo Dell products to this day.
191 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:31:53am |
re: #184 SteveC
I got a new laptop 2 years ago, the screen flickered continuously. If you're old enough to remember TVs with Vertical Control and Horizontal Control knobs, it looked as if someone had turned the Horizontal Control knob. So I sent it back.
Telephone rigs a couple of days later, it is So-and-so from HP Quality Control. They have had several laptops opf this model come back with this problem; he wanted my permission to take my computer completely apart and diagnose it to try to find the problem. I told him yes, but added 6 to 8 months to the total repair time in my head. Then he says that as a "Thank You" HP would send me, free of charge, their latest laptop! The nameplate says it is the HP-2007-XX and for a few months, they didn't have anything comparable online or in the catalog.
I read someplace that all the major laptops are made in China, including Dell and Apple.
192 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:32:17am |
re: #191 Spare O'Lake
I read someplace that all the major laptops are made in China, including Dell and Apple.
That explains the exploding batteries?
/checking
193 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:33:38am |
Officials: Somali Tried to Board Flight With Explosives Last Month
MOGADISHU, Somalia — Officials say a Somali national tried to board a commercial airliner in Mogadishu last month with powdered chemicals, liquid and a syringe that together could have caused an explosion. The hallmarks bear chilling similarities to the terrorist plot to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner.
Police spokesman Abdulahi Hassan Barise says the suspect was arrested before the Nov. 13 Daallo Airlines flight departed. It was scheduled to travel from Mogadishu to the northern Somali city of Hargeisa, then to Djibouti and Dubai.
Two international officials in Nairobi said Wednesday the incident is similar to the Detroit attack in that the Somali man had a syringe, a bag of powdered chemicals and liquid. U.S. officials are aware of the incident and hastening to investigate any possible links with the Detroit attack.
194 | reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:34:06am |
re: #187 MandyManners
SNIP
Privacy concerns - honestly, I am not so different or special that any hazy view of my body through a scanner is gonna shock or upset anybody. If these things will keep us safer, they need to be installed.
196 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:34:53am |
SNIP
Amsterdam's Schiphol has 15 body scanners, but their use has been limited because of privacy objections that they display the contours of the passenger's body. Neither the European Union nor the U.S. have approved the routine use of the scanners.
New software, however, eliminates that problem by projecting a stylized image onto a computer screen, highlighting the area of the body where objects are concealed in pockets or under the clothing and alerting security guards.
Two scanners have been experimentally using that software since late November and the Dutch said those will be put into use immediately. All scanners will be upgraded within three weeks so they can be used on flights to the United States.
SNIP
197 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:35:00am |
re: #192 lazardo
That explains the exploding batteries?
/checking
Uh,yes.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
199 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:35:38am |
re: #194 reine.de.tout
Privacy concerns - honestly, I am not so different or special that any hazy view of my body through a scanner is gonna shock or upset anybody. If these things will keep us safer, they need to be installed.
Morning Lizards. I was actually going to ask everyone if they'd be willing to trade their "privacy concerns" for heightened security. It is a balancing act, and it depends on what you call an invasion of privacy. Me, hey, they're welcome to check out my beer belly any time.
200 | SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:35:50am |
re: #191 Spare O'Lake
I read someplace that all the major laptops are made in China, including Dell and Apple.
Don't know. All I know is my experience with HP. I was (and still am) a happy camper!
201 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:36:27am |
re: #200 SteveC
Don't know. All I know is my experience with HP. I was (and still am) a happy camper!
Me, not so much. Took the Mrs. Fish's computer in because it was overheating regularly. When it came back, the wireless was non-functional, and of course, it was just out of warranty by the time it came back.
202 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:36:46am |
re: #188 NJDhockeyfan
The just Dutch announced they are installing full body scanners at their airports immediately for flights heading to America.
Nice of them. But it would have been better if someone had noticed just one of the multiple red flags this guy was waving in the air while shouting "Hey! I'm a terrorist on a mission!" at the top of his lungs, and yanked his visa before he ever got on a plane in the first place.
203 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:37:43am |
The Piracy Reporting Center of the International Maritime Bureau said Tuesday that pirates operating across the Gulf of Aden and along the coast of Somalia had attacked 214 vessels so far this year, resulting in 47 hijackings. Twelve of those ships, with a total of 263 crew members, are currently being held for ransom by the pirates.
SNIP
205 | reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:38:56am |
re: #202 SixDegrees
Nice of them. But it would have been better if someone had noticed just one of the multiple red flags this guy was waving in the air while shouting "Hey! I'm a terrorist on a mission!" at the top of his lungs, and yanked his visa before he ever got on a plane in the first place.
Agreed.
But since it appears that we cannot count on folks noticing multiple red flags, then these scanners just might be necessary.
206 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:39:04am |
re: #202 SixDegrees
Nice of them. But it would have been better if someone had noticed just one of the multiple red flags this guy was waving in the air while shouting "Hey! I'm a terrorist on a mission!" at the top of his lungs, and yanked his visa before he ever got on a plane in the first place.
There was a witness who was at the airport in Nigeria who said he had no visa. Another guy talked the airport officials to let him on anyway because 'we do it all the time'.
207 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:39:10am |
re: #186 lazardo
This one's an old article, but when the Iranians say the crackdown tactics are "worse than the Zionists", you know it's THAT bad.
Oh, golly. Sure it's not worse than Conservative thought in action?
208 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:39:45am |
re: #199 thedopefishlives
Full body scans, IMO are no more an invasion of privacy than we already go through in airports. I have no problem with something that gets me through an airport faster and safer.
I think people are ignoring the actual pictures that are being shown and are thinking of the movie "Airplane!" where it shows naked people on the tv screen.
209 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:39:56am |
Speaking of airport landings, checking up on what's happening at Clark Field with the shiny new airport they're building there.
Apparently Clark Field was once an active Space Shuttle landing site. ):
210 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:40:57am |
re: #206 NJDhockeyfan
There was a witness who was at the airport in Nigeria who said he had no visa. Another guy talked the airport officials to let him on anyway because 'we do it all the time'.
Per my No. 186:
Abdulmutallab arrived in Amsterdam on Friday from Lagos, Nigeria. After a layover of less than three hours, he passed through a security check at the gate in Amsterdam, including a hand baggage scan and a metal detector.
Abdulmutallab was carrying a valid Nigerian passport and had a valid U.S. visa, the Dutch said.
211 | SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:40:59am |
re: #199 thedopefishlives
Morning Lizards. I was actually going to ask everyone if they'd be willing to trade their "privacy concerns" for heightened security. It is a balancing act, and it depends on what you call an invasion of privacy. Me, hey, they're welcome to check out my beer belly any time.
Woman being interviewed on one of the networks last night said she just wants to be on a plane that lands. She's apparently not familiar with the physics of flight; the plane always lands - if all goes well, it will be in one piece in a designated landing area, and with the wheels down!
Security doesn't bother me; but when/if they start treating airline passengers as suspects, that's a problem. The last day or so they've been treating everyone as if they must be guilty of something if they are flying.
212 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:41:12am |
re: #207 MandyManners
Oh, golly. Sure it's not worse than Conservative thought in action?
Well, the Iranian government is often referred to as ultraconservative...
213 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:41:56am |
re: #206 NJDhockeyfan
There was a witness who was at the airport in Nigeria who said he had no visa. Another guy talked the airport officials to let him on anyway because 'we do it all the time'.
I've heard this story. It seems to be somewhat suspect at the moment.
214 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:42:05am |
re: #210 MandyManners
Per my No. 186:
Abdulmutallab arrived in Amsterdam on Friday from Lagos, Nigeria. After a layover of less than three hours, he passed through a security check at the gate in Amsterdam, including a hand baggage scan and a metal detector.
Abdulmutallab was carrying a valid Nigerian passport and had a valid U.S. visa, the Dutch said.
Thanks. That clears that up.
215 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:42:46am |
The Red Cross in Bauchi says a large number of those killed were boys.
SNIP
216 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:43:11am |
217 | RogueOne Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:43:56am |
re: #210 MandyManners
Everytime I hear that guys name I hear this song go off in my head. No wonder he was so depressed.
219 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:44:40am |
re: #215 MandyManners
SNIP
There seems to be a common thread with all the violence in the world today but I can't seem to put my finger on it.
//
220 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:45:00am |
For the record, my personal preference is a combination of smart suspect profiling and full-body scanning. There's no need to scan everyone that walks into an airport; only a few would have the telltale markers that security SHOULD be looking for to flag suspected terrorists. That was part of the failure of the Christmas Day flight. I know hindsight is always 20/20, but if he'd been flagged by security personnel and then run through one of these scanners, it would've been perfectly obvious.
221 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:45:22am |
re: #219 NJDhockeyfan
There seems to be a common thread with all the violence in the world today but I can't seem to put my finger on it.
//
The Baptist, I say.
/
222 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:45:23am |
re: #215 MandyManners
The Red Cross in Bauchi says a large number of those killed were boys.
SNIP
That is a disturbing and horrifically depraved way to die.
223 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:46:06am |
The Russian leader also demanded that Washington disclose more details of its planned missile defense deployments and technology. Putin warned that a powerful missile shield, which has long irritated a nervous Kremlin, could make the United States feel safe enough to become more aggressive in its dealings with the rest of the world.
"What preserved peace, even in Cold War conditions, was a balance of forces," Putin said.
The provocative comments from the man widely regarded as Russia's most powerful leader were emblematic of lingering fears and clashing world views as U.S. and Russian negotiators struggle to finalize a long-anticipated deal to cut nuclear stockpiles.
The nuclear deal, agreed upon in broad terms in April, has been trumpeted as the centerpiece of the Obama administration's drive to salvage a badly dented relationship with Moscow. President Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev agreed to cut their respective nuclear arsenals by as much as a third.
Despite vague but encouraging statements from officials on both sides, however, a final agreement remains elusive. The details weren't finalized by the time the previous Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty expired in early December. Nor do negotiators appear ready to finish the deal by year's end, as once expected. They packed up and went home the weekend before Christmas.
Nevertheless, American officials said Tuesday that they were unfazed by Putin's comments.
"We have made substantial progress in the negotiations and remain confident that when talks resume in January that we'll be able to finalize an agreement," said one U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity given the sensitivity of the talks.
SNIP
224 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:46:36am |
re: #204 RogueOne
I've bought 4 HP's and never had a problem, knock on wood.
/"wood"
We are addicted to cheap Chinese/Malaysian computers.
I wonder how many US or Canadian consumers would be willing to pay two or three times as much for their computers in order to support a domestic computer manufacturing industry.
225 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:48:31am |
re: #220 thedopefishlives
For the record, my personal preference is a combination of smart suspect profiling and full-body scanning. There's no need to scan everyone that walks into an airport; only a few would have the telltale markers that security SHOULD be looking for to flag suspected terrorists. That was part of the failure of the Christmas Day flight. I know hindsight is always 20/20, but if he'd been flagged by security personnel and then run through one of these scanners, it would've been perfectly obvious.
Maybe. The scanners themselves have limitations, and a few trial runs at a total cost of a few thousand dollars would quickly illuminate them and defeat a multi-million dollar machine.
I don't think they're useless, but they need to be considered as only a part of a complete security program, not as a single, final answer.
226 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:48:42am |
The State Department statement came after Russian PM Vladimir Putin said the US plans were holding up a new nuclear disarmament treaty.
The statement said the two issues were completely separate, and discussions would continue separately.
Russia and the US are yet to find a successor to the Cold War-era Start I treaty, which expired on 5 December.
Analysts say Moscow wants a clause in the new treaty that would limit the scale of any US defence shield.
The US has shelved plans for missile defence stations in Central Europe, but intends to use a sea-based system.
The BBC's Imtiaz Tyab in Washington says it is clear from Mr Putin's comments Russia still sees any missile shield as a threat - one it is now pledged to counter.
But the hardening of Russia's position must be frustrating for US President Barack Obama, our correspondent says, after the concessions he has made.
SNIP
*snicker*
That mean Putin won't play fair!
227 | SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:49:17am |
re: #221 Cannadian Club Akbar
The Baptist, I say.
/
Hey now, I'm a Baptist!
We usually don't kill our victims, we just put them on every church committee we can think of!
Hey, the Southern Baptist Convention has a Committee on Committees!
228 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:49:54am |
re: #226 MandyManners
SNIP
*snicker*
That mean Putin won't play fair!
Wait, wait, wait just a goshdarn second. You mean the unclenched fist thingy ISN'T working?! /
229 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:51:08am |
Terror Suspect May Have Studied in Houston in 2008
HOUSTON - A local Islamic education center in Houston is looking into whether a Nigerian man accused in the failed Christmas Day plane bombing had taken any classes at its facility.
Reports say Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab was in Houston during the summer of 2008 for an Islamic summit.
Irtiza Hasan, chairman of the Al Maghrib Institute board, says that they are checking their records to determine if the suspect actually attended any of their classes, but employees in the registrar's office are off for the holdiays. The institute holds classes at various universities and hotels nationwide.
230 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:51:27am |
re: #225 SixDegrees
Maybe. The scanners themselves have limitations, and a few trial runs at a total cost of a few thousand dollars would quickly illuminate them and defeat a multi-million dollar machine.
I don't think they're useless, but they need to be considered as only a part of a complete security program, not as a single, final answer.
Oh no, I totally agree. That was the point of my post. There is more to security than herding everyone through a One Size Fits All (tm) combination scanner-fingerprinter-probing machine (a bit heavy on the hyperbole, but you get the idea) and calling it good. Whatever technological measures need to be taken, need to be combined with good ol' human intuition.
231 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:51:43am |
The clampdown on communications, in which China also blocked Web sites including Facebook and Twitter nationwide, followed deadly ethnic riots in Xinjiang in July. Nearly 200 people died as Uighurs, a mostly Muslim minority group native to the region, and members of the Han Chinese ethnic majority hunted each other in the streets.
Internet service ceased in the province, though authorities later opened a regional network that let users access certain local news portals and bank and government Web sites, according to the state-run China Daily. Text messaging on mobile phones and international call services were also blocked.
SNIP
232 | SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:52:15am |
re: #225 SixDegrees
Maybe. The scanners themselves have limitations, and a few trial runs at a total cost of a few thousand dollars would quickly illuminate them and defeat a multi-million dollar machine.
I don't think they're useless, but they need to be considered as only a part of a complete security program, not as a single, final answer.
News program yesterday (ABC Nightly News? Can't remember) had a talking head who thought that Al-Q had purchased a full body scanner to "practice" with.
233 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:54:47am |
Those apps, which appear in most countries' versions of the App Store, do not currently appear in the Chinese version. Another app related to Rebiya Kadeer, who like the Dalai Lama is an exiled minority leader reviled by China's authorities, is unavailable in the China App Store as well. The apparent censorship comes after carrier China Unicom launched iPhone sales two months ago, making regulatory approval of the phone's contents in the country necessary for the first time.
"We continue to comply with local laws," Apple spokeswoman Trudy Muller said in an e-mail when asked about the missing apps. "Not all apps are available in every country."
SNIP
But, you're still making money off of them, arentcha'?
234 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:55:52am |
re: #232 SteveC
News program yesterday (ABC Nightly News? Can't remember) had a talking head who thought that Al-Q had purchased a full body scanner to "practice" with.
Maybe, although I doubt it. It's a lot cheaper to just buy tickets and send jihadists through airports as test subjects, and attracts a lot less attention than making such a large purchase. Those machines also require extensive maintenance, adding more expense and exposure.
Sounds like there was another, very similar incident within the last few weeks, but the perp got caught before takeoff.
235 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:57:13am |
re: #227 SteveC
Hey now, I'm a Baptist!
We usually don't kill our victims, we just put them on every church committee we can think of!
Hey, the Southern Baptist Convention has a Committee on Committees!
Saw this on a pastor's desk once...
"For God, so loved the world, that he did not send a committee."
236 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:57:19am |
The strategically important Anbar province was once the heartland of support for al-Qaida-linked militants, before many insurgents turned on the terror organization and joined forces with U.S. troops and the Iraqi government. The governor is the most senior Sunni leader to be attacked since then.
While violence in Iraq has dropped considerably since the height of the conflict in 2006 and 2007, a reinvigorated insurgency in Anbar — which is also Iraq's largest province — could pose a serious risk to the country's stability as it prepares for elections in March.
SNIP
239 | SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 5:59:19am |
re: #235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saw this on a pastor's desk once...
"For God, so loved the world, that he did not send a committee."
A-MEN! Speak the Truth, Brother!
240 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:06:57am |
re: #233 MandyManners
SNIPBut, you're still making money off of them, arentcha'?
Apple, like the rest of the electronics multinationals, depends on China to manufacture most of its electronics, so why wouldn't they be kissing Chinese ass?
241 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:10:54am |
re: #240 Spare O'Lake
Apple, like the rest of the electronics multinationals, depends on China to manufacture most of its electronics, so why wouldn't they be kissing Chinese ass?
242 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:11:16am |
re: #240 Spare O'Lake
Apple, like the rest of the electronics multinationals, depends on China to manufacture most of its electronics, so why wouldn't they be kissing Chinese ass?
Also, a potential market of over a billion customers isn't something they're going to ignore.
243 | SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:13:34am |
Cardiologists are suing HHS Sec. Sebelius
Heart specialists on Monday filed suit against Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius in an effort to stave off steep Medicare fee cuts for routine office-based procedures such as nuclear stress tests and echocardiograms.
244 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:15:15am |
re: #243 SteveC
Teeny tiny itsy bitsy tippity tip-tip of a massive iceberg... Climate change ain't gonna do a damn thing about it either...
245 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:16:44am |
On Sunday, atmospheric conditions apparently changed enough for their GPS-enabled cell phone to get a weak signal and relay coordinates to a dispatcher, Klamath County Sheriff Tim Evinger said.
SNIP
246 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:18:35am |
re: #245 MandyManners
SNIP
Good thing they were prepared with warm clothes and such. You have to be ready for anything in that kind of weather.
247 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:18:58am |
re: #245 MandyManners
GPS has tried to hurt me before, but I am smarter than it is.
Things look wrong? I turn the hell around.
248 | SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:19:33am |
Janamaitri Hospital today revealed that as per the request of the government, the hospital did not make public the patients who succumbed to Pandemic Influenza A (H1N1).
249 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:19:42am |
Dear USA:
If you want us to continue to supply cheap consumer goods, electronics and almost everything else you need, then we suggest you just shut the fuck up about our internal politics and our massive carbon emissions and pollution.
And by the way, we own your debt.
So just shut the fuck up.
Or else.
Fondly,
China
250 | SteveC Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:20:18am |
re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
GPS has tried to hurt me before, but I am smarter than it is.
Things look wrong? I turn the hell around.
You were born at night, but you weren't born last night!
251 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:22:25am |
re: #249 Spare O'Lake
Did you see the Obama/Chinese Prime Minister SNL sketch? Classic.
252 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:22:37am |
re: #249 Spare O'Lake
Dear USA:
If you want us to continue to supply cheap consumer goods, electronics and almost everything else you need, then we suggest you just shut the fuck up about our internal politics and our massive carbon emissions and pollution.
And by the way, we own your debt.
So just shut the fuck up.
Or else.
Fondly,
China
The flip side of this, of course, is the response, "OK. Then we'll stop buying your shit and make it ourselves." At the moment, no one has the cajones to go down that road, but the Chinese actually have more to lose than the US does should it come to that sort of warfare.
253 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:23:30am |
re: #246 rwdflynavy
Good thing they were prepared with warm clothes and such. You have to be ready for anything in that kind of weather.
I would never trust a sole piece of metal to show me the way to go. A paper map would've prevented this.
254 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:24:02am |
re: #247 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
GPS has tried to hurt me before, but I am smarter than it is.
Things look wrong? I turn the hell around.
I plot things out ahead of time using more than one tool.
256 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:24:38am |
Kazakh yellowcake uranium transfer to Iran would be illegal
WASHINGTON — The United States has warned that any potential transfer of yellowcake uranium to Iran would violate UN Security Council sanctions.
"The transfer of uranium to Iran is prohibited, unless the uranium in question is low enriched and the uranium is incorporated in assembled nuclear fuel elements for use in light water reactors (LWRs)," State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said Tuesday responding to what he said were "press queries about reports that Iran is in negotiations with an entity in Kazakhstan for uranium."
"Consequently, the transfer of any uranium yellowcake -- which would not qualify for this exemption -- to Iran would constitute a clear violation of UNSC sanctions," Kelly warned.
"Full implementation of existing (UN) sanctions is a vital aspect of the international community's efforts to prevent Iran's acquisition of a nuclear weapons capability through diplomacy," Kelly added.
257 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:24:50am |
re: #252 SixDegrees
The flip side of this, of course, is the response, "OK. Then we'll stop buying your shit and make it ourselves." At the moment, no one has the cajones to go down that road, but the Chinese actually have more to lose than the US does should it come to that sort of warfare.
Why not make it here? Japan? South Korea?
259 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:25:53am |
re: #255 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not the full transcript, sorry.
260 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:25:54am |
261 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:27:28am |
re: #254 MandyManners
I plot things out ahead of time using more than one tool.
Me too. Google Maps is my friend, and I always have a reasonably up-to-date map in the truck with me.
262 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:28:54am |
re: #261 thedopefishlives
I don't. I live by my GPS. Just am smart enough to tell when it is getting me in trouble.
263 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:29:58am |
re: #257 MandyManners
Why not make it here? Japan? South Korea?
It's hard to beat the prices charged by slave labor.
264 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:31:03am |
re: #256 NJDhockeyfan
Does Nazarbayev still plan on creating a single currency with Iran and other regional nations?
265 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:32:03am |
re: #260 Cannadian Club Akbar
Guatemala? Honduras? Mexico?
Do those nations have the requisite pool of knowledge to manufacture it? The infrastructure?
266 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:32:53am |
re: #261 thedopefishlives
Me too. Google Maps is my friend, and I always have a reasonably up-to-date map in the truck with me.
Same here.
267 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:33:24am |
re: #263 SixDegrees
It's hard to beat the prices charged by slave labor.
Especially slave labor from jailed Christians.
268 | The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:33:30am |
re: #263 SixDegrees
It's hard to beat the prices charged by slave labor.
The Chinaman is dreaded because of his power to underlive the white.
-- Lafcadio Hearn, letter to Basil Hall Chamberlain, 2 May 1893
269 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:34:47am |
re: #265 MandyManners
Do those nations have the requisite pool of knowledge to manufacture it? The infrastructure?
I guess it would depend on what they are manufacturing.
270 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:38:32am |
Good morning, folks.
Once again, the sun is shining, the birds are singing, the gray snow mounds on the roads are looking horrid...
It's another day!
271 | The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:38:52am |
re: #265 MandyManners
Do those nations have the requisite pool of knowledge to manufacture it? The infrastructure?
Mexico's border regime is a manufacturing hub, I've heard.
272 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:40:31am |
re: #270 MrSilverDragon
Good morning, folks.
Once again, the sun is shining, the birds are singing, the gray snow mounds on the roads are looking horrid...
It's another day!
But, but, snow is beautiful!!
/keep it:)
273 | The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:40:35am |
The experts are always the last to find out:
Power promotes hypocrisy, study finds
How many elections have we seen, where some candidate is so far behind that he's reduced to telling the truth?
274 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:42:07am |
g'mornin', all! Whew, looks like things really heated up after I left yesterday/last night. Not about to wade through all that. Did I miss anything important?
276 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:42:20am |
re: #272 Cannadian Club Akbar
But, but, snow is beautiful!!
/keep it:)
When the 2+ foot snow first fell, it was absolutely beautiful.
When it was plowed and mixed w/ all sorts of chemicals, not so much.
277 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:42:42am |
Airline bomber staged 'war on terror week' at London college as link to MI5 suspect is revealed
The Christmas Day airline bomb plotter helped organise a 'war on terror' conference while studying in the UK, it emerged today.
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab oversaw the week-long event, held two years ago, during his time as president of University College London's (UCL) Islamic society.
The 23-year-old attempted to ignite explosive stored in his underpants as the flight from Amsterdam, carrying 280 passengers, made its final descent into Detroit on Friday.
A series of lectures were held at the UCL from January 29 2007 to February 2 2007, including one called 'Jihad Vs Terrorism'.
It was billed as a 'lecture on the Islamic position with respect to Jihad and other issues'.
During the conference he held lectures such as Jihad v Terrorism, which was billed as 'a lecture on the Islamic position with respect to jihad', and hosted talks by former Guantanamo Bay detainees.
278 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:44:18am |
re: #262 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I don't. I live by my GPS. Just am smart enough to tell when it is getting me in trouble.
my maps and atlases go everywhere with me...GPS is of no use to me
279 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:45:15am |
re: #269 Cannadian Club Akbar
I guess it would depend on what they are manufacturing.
iPhones and the like.
280 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:45:34am |
re: #263 SixDegrees
It's hard to beat the prices charged by slave labor.
Half Off!
still a fat profit
281 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:45:44am |
re: #271 The Sanity Inspector
Mexico's border regime is a manufacturing hub, I've heard.
Manufacturing high tech stuff?
282 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:46:34am |
re: #274 SasyMomaCat
g'mornin', all! Whew, looks like things really heated up after I left yesterday/last night. Not about to wade through all that. Did I miss anything important?
Yeah. We got told that torture is Conservative thought in action.
*spit*
283 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:48:18am |
re: #281 MandyManners
Manufacturing high tech stuff?
The amount of tech free stuff from China has got to be high. See Wal-Mart.
284 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:49:36am |
Lebanon fears Qaeda has UNIFIL forces in sights
Security officials say terrorists infiltrating country through Syria with aim of damaging Lebanese, western interests; report says Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Gulf states surprised by ease in which Qaeda organized botched attack on Detroit-bound plane, fear similar attacks in their territory
285 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:50:09am |
re: #278 albusteve
My job requires that I find three new addresses a day (residential) five days a week. I just can't carry enough maps, and other drivers appreciate the fact that I'm not fumbling around with maps and directions on a sheet of paper in my lap.
For me? GPS is indispensable and safer.
286 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:50:12am |
re: #283 Cannadian Club Akbar
The amount of tech free stuff from China has got to be high. See Wal-Mart.
I'm refering exclusively to the high tech stuff from my No. 233.
287 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:51:10am |
bad economy kills an icon....really a shame...how soon before Disney boards up the windows?...scary
[Link: www.philly.com...]
288 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:51:14am |
re: #282 MandyManners
Ya, I did see that much. Figured going any further wouldn't be good for blood pressure or mood this morning.
Also saw, in catching up with this thread, that the individual making that statement was proud of his/her actions last night and, separately, expressed a love of flame wars. Good to know who I should avoid engaging.
289 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:51:48am |
Lockheed Sells 24 F-16 Fighter Jets to Egypt
In a $3.2 billion deal, Egypt will purchase 24 F-16 jet fighters from Lockheed Martin. "We understand that the governments of the United States and Egypt have reached an agreement over a contract for military sale to provide 24 F-16s to Egypt," Lockheed spokesman Joe Stout said.
The F-16 is flown by 25 nations, according to the company. More than 4,400 aircraft have been delivered worldwide from assembly lines in five countries.
The Egyptian Air Force is the fourth largest F-16 operator in the world, according to defense industry reports. It began flying the F-16 in 1982, after years of using military equipment supplied by the former Soviet Union.
290 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:51:51am |
291 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:52:25am |
re: #288 SasyMomaCat
. . .the individual making that statement was proud of his/her
actionsstatements last night and, separately, expressed a love of flame wars. Good to know who I should avoid engaging.
PIMF
292 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:52:34am |
re: #288 SasyMomaCat
Ya, I did see that much. Figured going any further wouldn't be good for blood pressure or mood this morning.
Also saw, in catching up with this thread, that the individual making that statement was proud of his/her actions last night and, separately, expressed a love of flame wars. Good to know who I should avoid engaging.
It surprised me.
293 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:52:43am |
re: #285 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My job requires that I find three new addresses a day (residential) five days a week. I just can't carry enough maps, and other drivers appreciate the fact that I'm not fumbling around with maps and directions on a sheet of paper in my lap.
For me? GPS is indispensable and safer.
I don't work, I just drive around looking at New Mexico...but I get your point, there are few people were is go off to
294 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:54:43am |
re: #288 SasyMomaCat
Also saw, in catching up with this thread, that the individual making that statement was proud of his/her actions last night and, separately, expressed a love of flame wars. Good to know who I should avoid engaging.
I'm not RogueOne (#140). But you're welcome anyway.
295 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:55:23am |
re: #292 MandyManners
It was rather disappointing because I've seen that person make well reasoned arguments and also have seen this person interact quite cordially many times (like he/she is generally doing this morning). But flaming isn't cool - especially not in a place like LGF - and trying to stir up a flame war (which is what last night appeared to be) is not appreciated by the community in general. Or, at least, it appears that way.
296 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:56:06am |
297 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:56:34am |
re: #295 SasyMomaCat
It was rather disappointing because I've seen that person make well reasoned arguments and also have seen this person interact quite cordially many times (like he/she is generally doing this morning). But flaming isn't cool - especially not in a place like LGF - and trying to stir up a flame war (which is what last night appeared to be) is not appreciated by the community in general. Or, at least, it appears that way.
Generally speaking, many people here simply take off when they see a flame war brewing. It's not worth the elevated blood pressure for most of us. That being said, I always miss all the fun, since I'm normally only around during work hours. *pout*
298 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:58:00am |
re: #294 lazardo
Your response to Rogue One's #140 seems to imply agreement and Rogue One wasn't the one stirring the pot in the previous thread with unreasonable hyperbole.
299 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:58:07am |
re: #295 SasyMomaCat
And BTW, I wasn't starting a flame war then. I was just stating what I believed from the associated comment that was the original subject of that thread.
300 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:58:29am |
The decision split delegates from more than 40 countries who came to Cairo planning to reach the Palestinian enclave, which shares the Rafah border crossing with Egypt.
Some organisers said Egypt's offer was a victory after it initially refused to allow any of the protesters into the Gaza Strip for the Gaza Freedom March, which is scheduled to take place on Thursday.
"It's a partial victory," said Medea Benjamin, an American activist and one of the demonstrations organisers. "It shows that mass pressure has an effect."
SNIP
Could that be the same Medea Benjamin who was on a panel wih FCC Diversity Officer Mark Lloyd at the National Conference for Media Reform in June, 2008?
Communication and access to technology are central to the success of all social change efforts. Media have the power to spark social change movements or to marginalize them. In this conversation, accomplished leaders in movements for human rights and social justice issues share their experiences and discuss why they prioritize media reform in their work. What impact do media policies have on social change movements? What kind of infrastructure, ownership and access to media are necessary for communities to win their quest for justice?
301 | MrSilverDragon Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:58:34am |
Before I head out into the field today to install some stuff (yay, rush to bill before the end of the year), I just have to say "Beatles: Rock Band" is a whole mess of fun, and CoD MW2 is a blast!
Catch y'all a bit later!
302 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:58:59am |
re: #271 The Sanity Inspector
Mexico's border regime is a manufacturing hub, I've heard.
Unfortunately Mexico is a corrupt, lawless, shithole with a poorly educated, unskilled workforce. And, of course, their politicians have a whining sense of entitlement beyond compare.
It's really too bad, because if they could ever put a leash on the druglords and get their house in order, there is no reason why they could not compete with the Orient and prosper from North America's huge markets.
303 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:59:04am |
re: #297 thedopefishlives
Same hours, here (adjusted for time zone) - don't mind missing the flames, but sometimes wonder what happened when I "walk" into the aftermath . . .
304 | The Sanity Inspector Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:59:39am |
re: #281 MandyManners
Manufacturing high tech stuff?
I think so. Here's a page from a directory of those plants:
[Link: www.maquiladirectory.com...]
Looks to be rich in electronics.
305 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:59:40am |
re: #295 SasyMomaCat
What puzzled me is the contention that Conservatives are the ones who want to torture.
306 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 6:59:54am |
re: #298 SasyMomaCat
Your response to Rogue One's #140 seems to imply agreement and Rogue One wasn't the one stirring the pot in the previous thread with unreasonable hyperbole.
Flame wars on 4chan =/= heated LGF arguments. Over on 4chan the slurs of all kinds are always armed and ready, and I enjoy the flame wars there because the nature of the 4chan boards means you can never really take it seriously.
Hell, there's even a disclaimer on their "random" board that "The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
307 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:00:27am |
308 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:00:29am |
re: #299 lazardo
Honestly, that's even more disturbing . . . if, after hanging out at LGF and seeing conservative thought expressed rationally, you can honestly believe that . . . oh, never mind.
309 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:01:09am |
re: #303 SasyMomaCat
Same hours, here (adjusted for time zone) - don't mind missing the flames, but sometimes wonder what happened when I "walk" into the aftermath . . .
You and me both. But hey, at least there's fresh meat for the troll barbecue every morning.
310 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:01:20am |
re: #300 MandyManners
Separately, organisers of another aid convoy trying to reach Gaza -- Viva Palestina led by British MP George Galloway -- said it would head to Syria en route for Egypt after being stranded in Jordan's Red Sea port of Aqaba for five days.
GO HOME, GEORGE. YOUR VILLAGE IS MISSING ITS IDIOT.
312 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:01:43am |
re: #300 MandyManners
Medea Benjamin and her legion of CodePinkos have been fairly silent the past year.
313 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:01:48am |
re: #305 MandyManners
What puzzled me is the contention that Conservatives are the ones who want to torture.
It's because we are EVIL!!
/
315 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:04:27am |
re: #308 SasyMomaCat
Honestly, that's even more disturbing . . . if, after hanging out at LGF and seeing conservative thought expressed rationally, you can honestly believe that . . . oh, never mind.
Libertarian (i.e. not the actual political party) thought expressed rationally, that's quite fine with me.
317 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:04:54am |
re: #313 Cannadian Club Akbar
It's because we are EVIL!!
/
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised to hear someone make that argument. However, I believe the thought process is that Conservatives are supposedly the ones that "care" about national security, and thus are willing to do "whatever it takes" to ensure said security. I will readily concede that Liberals are traditionally weak on foreign policy, but to suggest that they don't care at all about the safety and security of our people is absurd.
318 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:04:59am |
re: #305 MandyManners
I don't so much have a problem with considering most torture advocates to be generally conservative in thought. It seems to trend that way. However, I do have a problem with considering most conservative thought to support torture. That is a whole other ball of wax.
319 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:05:41am |
re: #312 NJDhockeyfan
Medea Benjamin and her legion of CodePinkos have been fairly silent the past year.
They won!
320 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:06:09am |
Ben is getting thrashed in NE for taking the bribe...so he' gonna explain it, during a FOOTBALL game!...another bad move Ben
[Link: journalstar.com...]
321 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:06:31am |
322 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:07:09am |
re: #293 albusteve
I don't work, I just drive around looking at New Mexico...but I get your point, there are few people were I go off to
Lucky bastid!
323 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:07:47am |
re: #318 SasyMomaCat
I don't so much have a problem with considering most torture advocates to be generally conservative in thought. It seems to trend that way. However, I do have a problem with considering most conservative thought to support torture. That is a whole other ball of wax.
So, the Khmer Rouge was Conservative as we Americans are? Saddam Hussein? Hamas? Nazi Germany? Soviet Union?
324 | lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:07:57am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It looks like the CIA dropped the ball and didn't communicate information it gathered about the chatter about the "Nigerian" to the relevant authorities - DHS and TSA to take the appropriate action.
That sounds quite a bit like the failures of the FBI/JTTF to communicate the threats posed by Maj. Hasan to the US Army investigators to keep a closer eye on what would turn out to be the Fort Hood shooter.
Meanwhile, to get an idea of what security screeners are up against, MSNBC has an interesting interactive feature that puts you in the seat of a security screener checking bags for explosives, firearms, and knives - and scores you according to how many threats were caught, along with false positives. I managed to catch all the threats, but had 4 false positives in 20 bags checked within 2 minutes.
327 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:09:59am |
328 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:10:01am |
When you have an extra fifteen minutes and won't embarrass yourself laughing out loud...Dave Barry's Year in Review.
329 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:10:13am |
“[W]e are at war and when President Obama pretends we aren’t, it makes us less safe,” Cheney said in a statement to POLITICO. “Why doesn’t he want to admit we’re at war? It doesn’t fit with the view of the world he brought with him to the Oval Office. It doesn’t fit with what seems to be the goal of his presidency – social transformation—the restructuring of American society.”
Evil Dick speaks out...again
Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]
330 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:10:31am |
re: #326 MandyManners
So, this clusterfuck was SSDD?
Hold on.
How many attacks have quietly been detected and aborted?
331 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:10:36am |
re: #323 MandyManners
I'm actually speaking in terms of American politics - not the broader world. I should have clarified this point. In terms of American voters in favor of torture, they tend to trend more conservative, in my observance. (not a scientific poll, for sure) :)
And, too, there is the whole "moronic convergence" phenomenon where the ultra-conservative and ultra-liberal mindset are far more similar to one another than they are to moderate conservative or liberal thinkers.
332 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:11:33am |
333 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:11:46am |
Document shows Khamenei & regime authorities preparing to escape to Russia
Iran Global website has exposed a document that discloses information on Khamenei and various authorities of the regime’s possible escape to Russia.
The document is on the National Security Agency of the Islamic regime’s letterhead addressed from the office of the High Assembly of the Islamic Republic’s National Security official [name is redacted] to an individual [name redacted] in the revolutionary guards. The letter is dated 6th of Dey (December 27th).
334 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:12:09am |
re: #322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Lucky bastid!
heh...I have a medical problem and can't really work for the time being, so I criss cross NM...fascinating stuff down here
335 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:12:12am |
re: #331 SasyMomaCat
Oh, and, for the record, I tend to consider myself conservative. Although, most of my family would probably chalk me up as being WAY liberal. :)
336 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:12:17am |
re: #331 SasyMomaCat
I would think that it's more that despite the lip-service to "new" principle, they eventually revert to the tactics of "old" to keep their power (mainly due to having forced it upon the environment that preceded them), so nothing actually changes.
337 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:13:14am |
re: #336 lazardo
Maybe I haven't had enough coffee yet, but I didn't get that. Could you elaborate, please?
338 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:13:32am |
339 | lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:14:47am |
re: #323 MandyManners
And Alan Dershowitz, who is anything but a conservative, has supported the use of torture in certain extenuating circumstances.
340 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:14:50am |
re: #334 albusteve
I can think of worse places to have a medical problem where you are still mobile enough to drive around and look at shit. It is gorgeous down there.
341 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:15:38am |
Security costs will top $75M in NYC terror trial
NEW YORK – New York police commissioner Raymond Kelly says security for the upcoming trial of the Sept. 11 terror attack suspects will cost much more than the initial estimate of $75 million.
Kelly drafted a security plan Dec. 18 for the upcoming trials of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four others in New York federal court. The men have been charged with war crimes. Kelly says the costs will considerably exceed $75 million, but he would not say how much more. The initial estimate was given Nov. 18.
The NYPD says there aren't enough officers to handle trial security, so much of the cost will come from overtime and it will be impossible to accomplish without federal funds.
342 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:17:34am |
re: #339 lawhawk
And Alan Dershowitz, who is anything but a conservative, has supported the use of torture in certain extenuating circumstances.
No kimchi for him.
BTW, does he consdier waterboarding torture?
343 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:17:38am |
Dec. 30 (Bloomberg) -- France’s constitutional court rejected a proposed tax on carbon emissions, saying a web of exemptions violated the principal of equality and rendered efforts to cut greenhouse gas emissions ineffective.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
345 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:17:50am |
re: #339 lawhawk
Oh, certainly, there are folks on both sides of the political spectrum (again, in the U.S.) that support torture. But, I would venture to guess, that a poll of torture supporters would lean more heavily in one direction than the other.
I'm certainly NOT saying that that attitude is representative of overall thought on that side of the spectrum.
346 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:18:26am |
347 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:19:13am |
re: #337 SasyMomaCat
Karl Marx intended Socialism to develop first in Industrialized, modernized-for-the-time Germany, for example. He probably did not expect it to really begin in rural, medieval Russia. From there the ideology just went downhill.
348 | Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:19:52am |
re: #342 MandyManners
No kimchi for him.
BTW, does he consdier waterboarding torture?
I stand with John McCain that waterboarding is torture...
349 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:19:55am |
re: #346 MandyManners
a whole lot less, I'm sure - and provide much less of a public platform for KSM, etc., to spout their ideology.
350 | lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:20:36am |
re: #341 NJDhockeyfan
Commissioner Kelly is saying that the costs will be double what they previously believed it would cost. If the trial and deliberations drag on, the costs will escalate even further.
But, this is really the key fact: the NYPD, with its nearly 35,000 police officers, is insufficient to provide security for the terror trial?
35,000 to put into perspective is more than three times the size of the LAPD. If the NYPD lacks the manpower, what does it say about trying to provide security for trials held anywhere outside the SDNY or EDNY?
351 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:20:40am |
Oops. I forgot and picked up the rope again.
352 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:21:26am |
re: #350 lawhawk
Commissioner Kelly is saying that the costs will be double what they previously believed it would cost. If the trial and deliberations drag on, the costs will escalate even further.
But, this is really the key fact: the NYPD, with its nearly 35,000 police officers, is insufficient to provide security for the terror trial?
35,000 to put into perspective is more than three times the size of the LAPD. If the NYPD lacks the manpower, what does it say about trying to provide security for trials held anywhere outside the SDNY or EDNY?
That BHO and Holder are idiots.
353 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:21:45am |
re: #347 lazardo
huh?
Guess I'm just thick this morning. While I understand what you are saying there, I'm not sure how that relates to your previous comment . . .
354 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:22:20am |
re: #340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I can think of worse places to have a medical problem where you are still mobile enough to drive around and look at shit. It is gorgeous down there.
NM is eccentric, oddball and quirky...lots of weird artwork, especially sculpture...out in the middle of nowhere you might look over and see a cool thing made out of tractor seats (which I did) or some other junk....there is a long tradition of that sort of thing...or a dragon's head rising out of the middle of a wheat field...stuff like that...a real fun place to travel around
355 | Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:22:32am |
356 | reine.de.tout Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:22:58am |
re: #328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
When you have an extra fifteen minutes and won't embarrass yourself laughing out loud...Dave Barry's Year in Review.
I read that yesterday, and did LOL.
Really funny.
357 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:23:10am |
358 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:23:18am |
re: #346 MandyManners
How much would security cost if the trial were held on a military base?
Weren't they already being tried at Gitmo until Obama pulled the plug?
359 | What, me worry? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:23:29am |
re: #331 SasyMomaCat
I'm actually speaking in terms of American politics - not the broader world. I should have clarified this point. In terms of American voters in favor of torture, they tend to trend more conservative, in my observance. (not a scientific poll, for sure) :)
And, too, there is the whole "moronic convergence" phenomenon where the ultra-conservative and ultra-liberal mindset are far more similar to one another than they are to moderate conservative or liberal thinkers.
The sad truth of the matter is that torture was being done during the Clinton years. They called it "extraordinary rendition". I suspect it was done by other presidents as well.
[Link: www.aclu.org...]
Through the advent of the internet which really became mainstream during the Bush years, we got those pictures of naked prisoner pyramids and the hooded fellow with attached electrodes. Something the public was not privy to prior to 2000.
Maybe the question is would liberals have been MORE appalled if they knew about it? I have no idea. I'd like to think that the American people are more about seeing justice done than revenge done.
360 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:23:40am |
361 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:23:58am |
362 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:24:13am |
re: #358 NJDhockeyfan
Weren't they already being tried at Gitmo until Obama pulled the plug?
IIRC, yes.
363 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:24:33am |
U.S. Knew of Airline Terror Plot Before Christmas
The U.S. government had intelligence from Yemen before Christmas that leaders of a branch of Al Qaeda there were talking about "a Nigerian" being prepared for a terrorist attack, the New York Times reported Tuesday.
A senior official told the Times that President Obama was told in a private meeting Tuesday while vacationing in Hawaii that the government had a variety of information in its possession before the failed bombing on a Detroit-bound flight last week that would have been a clear warning sign had it been shared among intelligence agencies.
The newspaper said the information did not include the name of the Nigerian.
364 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:25:03am |
re: #353 SasyMomaCat
huh?
Guess I'm just thick this morning. While I understand what you are saying there, I'm not sure how that relates to your previous comment . . .
The tactics of old involve brute force and intimidation i.e. "through any means necessary" to get results. Conservatives generally don't like to use much-less-physically-injurious and yet more effectively proven tactics to get those results.
365 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:25:55am |
re: #359 marjoriemoon
Agreed - absolutely. Would we see more of "it's okay when our side does it, but not when your side does it" rationalizing or would they call it what it is?
Justice and revenge are certainly not the same. One builds up a society. The other degrades it.
366 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:26:10am |
KSM...
[Link: www.frumforum.com...]
interesting stuff here...I'm seething with rage
367 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:27:50am |
re: #364 lazardo
The tactics of old involve brute force and intimidation i.e. "through any means necessary" to get results. Conservatives generally don't like to use much-less-physically-injurious and yet more effectively proven tactics to get those results.
See, there you go, trying to be a mind-reader of "conservatives."
(oh, and, thank you for the clarification on your earlier statement. I now see where you were going.)
368 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:28:55am |
re: #366 albusteve
KSM...
[Link: www.frumforum.com...]interesting stuff here...I'm seething with rage
KSM is also sporting a nice long beard. Not sure if the pics are recent, but would play to the Islamic nations across the globe. All the pics I have seen before he was clean cut.
369 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:32:10am |
re: #367 SasyMomaCat
See, there you go, trying to be a mind-reader of "conservatives."
I'm not reading minds. LGF's conservative population mostly flounced though, so I check the posts and comments on places like Hot Air, conservative blogs etc. They express their thought patterns so openly that I can't see how I can't say that it isn't conservative thought.
370 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:32:10am |
371 | Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:32:55am |
372 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:32:59am |
re: #364 lazardo
One thing I have learned as I've grown older, exposed myself to different ways of thinking, and become friends with people with very different ideologies than my own is that it is unfair and short-sighted to impugn an entire school of thought or group of people with statements that try to label and pigeon-hole individuals. i.e., Conservatives generally think/do/like x, y, or z. Joe is a self-professed conservative. Therefor, Joe must think/do/like x, y, or z.
YMMV
373 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:34:12am |
President Obama’s favorite word is “unprecedented,” as Carol Lee of Politico pointed out. Yet he often seems mired in the past as well, letting his hallmark legislation get loaded up with old-school bribes and pork; surrounding himself with Clintonites; continuing the Bushies’ penchant for secrecy and expansive executive privilege; doubling down in Afghanistan while acting as though he’s getting out; and failing to capitalize on snazzy new technology while agencies thumb through printouts and continue their old turf battles.
Maureen Dowd picking on BO
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
374 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:34:21am |
re: #369 lazardo
I'm not reading minds. LGF's conservative population mostly flounced though, so I check the posts and comments on places like Hot Air, conservative blogs etc. They express their thought patterns so openly that I can't see how I can't say that it isn't conservative thought.
You shouldn't base your opinion of all conservatives by those wingnuts. You wouldn't say all liberals are like the ones who post at DD, DKos, and HuffPo would you?
375 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:34:26am |
re: #372 SasyMomaCat
And that applies, regardless of the label. You can insert "atheist," "Christian," "liberal," or whatever ...
376 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:34:53am |
re: #370 NJDhockeyfan
Here is a picture of his sister.
I've got that in my 4chan folder. :D Speaking of which...
re: #368 Cannadian Club Akbar
KSM is also sporting a nice long beard. Not sure if the pics are recent, but would play to the Islamic nations across the globe. All the pics I have seen before he was clean cut.
377 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:35:07am |
re: #374 NJDhockeyfan
I regret that I have but one upding to give
379 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:38:34am |
re: #374 NJDhockeyfan
re: #372 SasyMomaCat
I don't, at least I try not to unless they openly brand themselves as such. I use a multi-axial political spectrum, primarily. And I certainly do not affiliate conservatism strictly with the Republican Party as we can see through history.
For example there are a lot of sensible arguers for smaller, more efficient government in the United States. Those would be libertarians (and might I reiterate the lowercase 'l'). And yes, there are extremists on the left as well, though given the way the American political spectrum is aligned toward the right, I can understand how "socialist" will have different connotations there than in, say, Europe.
380 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:38:40am |
re: #369 lazardo
I'm not reading minds. LGF's conservative population mostly flounced though, so I check the posts and comments on places like Hot Air, conservative blogs etc. They express their thought patterns so openly that I can't see how I can't say that it isn't conservative thought.
Sounds like a self-reinforcing definition of "conservative" - if people are acting in a way that matches your definition, they're conservative, but if they fall outside your expectations, they're not.
I'll also mention how unrealistic it is to base one's opinions on what is found on blogs. Out in the real world, people rarely if ever live down to their online personae.
381 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:39:10am |
Democrats ought to “acknowledge that the agenda of the party's most liberal supporters has not won the support of a majority of Americans — and, based on that recognition, to steer a more moderate course on the key issues of the day, from health care to the economy to the environment to Afghanistan,” Daley argued.
Donks in Spaaaaace!
Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]
382 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:40:19am |
re: #366 albusteve
You know, I a may have said something like what President Obama said. Of course, I'm not a lawyer. I'm not President. Minor details like that.
383 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:41:17am |
re: #379 lazardo
IMO, you seem to be operating with a very narrow and negative definition of conservative.
384 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:41:29am |
re: #380 SixDegrees
Sounds like a self-reinforcing definition of "conservative" - if people are acting in a way that matches your definition, they're conservative, but if they fall outside your expectations, they're not.
I'll also mention how unrealistic it is to base one's opinions on what is found on blogs. Out in the real world, people rarely if ever live down to their online personae.
That's mainly because in the real world, most people don't discuss politics openly because they don't have said personae to hid behind. I'm an atheist and I find religious people can really be decent, warm-hearted people as long as you don't start tripping on their faith.
386 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:41:45am |
re: #380 SixDegrees
Sounds like a self-reinforcing definition of "conservative" - if people are acting in a way that matches your definition, they're conservative, but if they fall outside your expectations, they're not.
I'll also mention how unrealistic it is to base one's opinions on what is found on blogs. Out in the real world, people rarely if ever live down to their online personae.
blogs are the heart and soul of political thought and behavior to people living in fantasy land...untold millions of voters do not read blogs or even watch Glenn Beck...it's presumptuous
388 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:42:55am |
re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You know, I a may have said something like what President Obama said. Of course, I'm not a lawyer. I'm not President. Minor details like that.
the whole KSM thing stinks to high heaven, every aspect of it
389 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:44:34am |
re: #386 albusteve
blogs are the heart and soul of political thought and behavior to people living in fantasy land...untold millions of voters do not read blogs or even watch Glenn Beck...it's presumptuous
Tell that to the Iranian opposition making use of blogs, YouTube, social networking etc. to ensure their protests can never be completely suppressed. The Internet's potential is still starting to be tapped. The American right wing, although late to the proverbial party, is seizing on this with full force.
390 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:45:20am |
re: #388 albusteve
I am a hundred percent behind ya, too. For more reasons than this, but, you been to NYC? Been to Lower Manhattan? Place is a frickin' zoo as it is.
The poor people who have to work down there are going to live a nightmare.
391 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:45:56am |
re: #384 lazardo
That's mainly because in the real world, most people don't discuss politics openly because they don't have said personae to hid behind. I'm an atheist and I find religious people can really be decent, warm-hearted people as long as you don't start tripping on their faith.
Internet forums have a strong tendency to attract and hold onto extremists and allow them to dominate discourse. The view they provide on real world thinking and attitudes is, at the very best, extremely skewed.
392 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:46:14am |
re: #389 lazardo
The Iranian Resistance/Sea of Green is using the tools at their disposal. In an environment where there is no free, independent media, you use what you can. It's apples to oranges.
393 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:48:27am |
re: #391 SixDegrees
Internet forums have a strong tendency to attract and hold onto extremists and allow them to dominate discourse.
YOU SHUT UP!
/
394 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:48:40am |
re: #386 albusteve
blogs are the heart and soul of political thought and behavior to people living in fantasy land...untold millions of voters do not read blogs or even watch Glenn Beck...it's presumptuous
Blogs also tend to drive away moderates and concentrate extremists. They do not reflect reality well at all.
395 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:49:16am |
re: #392 SasyMomaCat
I was just trying to counter the point that the influence of blogs, forums, etc. on the Internet is overrated. Regular TV news carrying YouTube cellphone protests of these videos is slowly starting to prove that wrong.
Perhaps I might ultimately be proved wrong if the nutjobs are sent a stern message to GTFO in 2010 too. But I'm not convinced things are looking that way.
396 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:49:16am |
397 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:49:23am |
President Obama has made it clear that we will be unrelenting in our efforts around the world, using every element of our national power to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda and other violent extremists wherever they plot against our country
they keep saying this and it's just not true...here's an entire blurb from JNap
[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]
398 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:49:25am |
re: #391 SixDegrees
Internet forums have a strong tendency to attract and hold onto extremists and allow them to dominate discourse. The view they provide on real world thinking and attitudes is, at the very best, extremely skewed.
Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner!
The kind of discourse you see at most blogs turns off the rational, well-reasoned individual. That's why Charles took control of LGF back in 2004 and put a stop to the poo-flinging and hate that was showing up so much from certain long-gone posters (good riddance!) The fact that the extremists are not welcome here is what keeps this place from being overrun by them. I'm thankful that Charles provides LGF and keeps it sane.
399 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:50:44am |
re: #372 SasyMomaCat
I heartily concur. It just seems much easier to slap down a label and use that to point a simple picture when the world (and individual motivations) are obviously much more complex. Might be partially that a simple model can be typed quickly and in stream of conscience form. Plus the fact that if you added the necessary caveats everyone would tell you you were being wishy-washy. ;)
400 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:51:21am |
re: #398 SasyMomaCat
Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner!
The kind of discourse you see at most blogs turns off the rational, well-reasoned individual. That's why Charles took control of LGF back in 2004 and put a stop to the poo-flinging and hate that was showing up so much from certain long-gone posters (good riddance!) The fact that the extremists are not welcome here is what keeps this place from being overrun by them. I'm thankful that Charles provides LGF and keeps it sane.
Correct. Moderation is essential. And it is nearly non-existent across most of the Internet, particularly on political forums.
401 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:51:45am |
re: #395 lazardo
Time will tell . . . the pendulum swings. The Democrat party reigned in their howling moonbats eventually. It took 8 years to do it. Give the Republican party 8 years and then we can compare notes.
402 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:54:57am |
re: #390 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I am a hundred percent behind ya, too. For more reasons than this, but, you been to NYC? Been to Lower Manhattan? Place is a frickin' zoo as it is.
The poor people who have to work down there are going to live a nightmare.
to go from a quiet, secure tribunal to a blockbuster extravaganza for no good reason is beyond the pale...it's just irrational imo...Holder is a grandstanding crackpot, willing to defy justice in the end...he's a kook
403 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:56:09am |
re: #401 SasyMomaCat
Time will tell . . . the pendulum swings. The Democrat party reigned in their howling moonbats eventually. It took 8 years to do it. Give the Republican party 8 years and then we can compare notes.
As I said, I don't equate conservatism strictly with one party. Hell, even the Democrats were the conservative party back in the late 19th century. But as has been stated here, the current conservative party's fall into the fringe has been decades in the making.
Hopefully the next eight years will finally see them finally isolated and America finally moving toward the center.
404 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:56:20am |
re: #400 SixDegrees
And, too, extremists of all stripes (left, right, pink and purple polka-dotted) tend toward abusive language and behaviors that make it near impossible to actually have a reasoned discussion when they are around.
405 | rurality Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:57:27am |
re: #401 SasyMomaCat
The "howling moonbats" of the DemocratIC party were not the base and did not have all the DemocratIC leadership following their lead or too afraid to call out repulsive behavior/speech. And, some of the howling over the 8 years, was legitimate--Charles has had many threads that show some of what got disregarded as 'howling' during those years.
406 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:57:40am |
re: #403 lazardo
As I said, I don't equate conservatism strictly with one party. Hell, even the Democrats were the conservative party back in the late 19th century. But as has been stated here, the current conservative party's fall into the fringe has been decades in the making.
Hopefully the next eight years will finally see them finally isolated and America finally moving toward the center.
you are mixing conservatism with the GOP
407 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 7:58:01am |
re: #404 SasyMomaCat
I would normally drop an "F" bomb here, but that was so sweetly written that I don't want to soil next to it.
408 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:01:09am |
re: #403 lazardo
Updinged for agreement that the extremists need to be marginalized and the hope that it will be so.
However, you are tying conservativism to a party again. Many conservatives would argue that the current GOP is not representative of them. Same as many liberals would have argued that the Democrat party was not representative of them.
I have always believed that a rational, moderate party that attracts the broader centralists of both side of the spectrum would benefit the country tremendously. Unfortunately, it seems that every attempt at that is poorly conceived or becomes co-opted by some other breed of loons.
409 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:01:34am |
re: #404 SasyMomaCat
And, too, extremists of all stripes (left, right, pink and purple polka-dotted) tend toward abusive language and behaviors that make it near impossible to actually have a reasoned discussion when they are around.
Hence why I like 4chan, the face that such abusive language flies so easily and frequently practically guarantees such discussions aren't to be taken seriously.
410 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:02:15am |
re: #312 NJDhockeyfan
Medea Benjamin and her legion of CodePinkos have been fairly silent the past year.
They have been protesting Ahava Dead Sea Cosmetics for "stealing Palestinian mud."
411 | albusteve Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:02:20am |
413 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:02:30am |
And would the number of professed independents be growing because both major parties seem to be contracting around a particular worldview that centers around a selected set of major goals that many find contradictory?
414 | avanti Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:03:35am |
re: #380 SixDegrees
Sounds like a self-reinforcing definition of "conservative" - if people are acting in a way that matches your definition, they're conservative, but if they fall outside your expectations, they're not.
I'll also mention how unrealistic it is to base one's opinions on what is found on blogs. Out in the real world, people rarely if ever live down to their online personae.
Very true. I once made a enemy on a Studebaker forum. The guy called me every name in the book using the vilest language you could imagine, even threatening to lick my ass . Many of us one that forum were concerned about what would happen if we ever met face to face at a Studebaker meet. Hell, I'm a lover, not a fighter.
When we finally did, he turned out to be very shy, not talking to anyone, and mostly staring at the ground. BTW, he was not the imposing physical specimen I expected either, maybe 5'6'' and 140 pounds soaking wet. I even tried talking to him, but he only mumbled a feeble greeting.
415 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:04:41am |
re: #409 lazardo
All well and good - it's the culture at that blog and you know what to expect. As you suggest, it's not taken seriously. However, as the stalker sites have aptly demonstrated, not every on-line culture takes those things with a grain of salt. It is considered quite serious is some circles. As when traveling in meat-space, it's important to take into consideration to local culture.
416 | avanti Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:04:47am |
re: #414 avanti
Very true. I once made a enemy on a Studebaker forum. The guy called me every name in the book using the vilest language you could imagine, even threatening to lick my ass . Many of us one that forum were concerned about what would happen if we ever met face to face at a Studebaker meet. Hell, I'm a lover, not a fighter.
When we finally did, he turned out to be very shy, not talking to anyone, and mostly staring at the ground. BTW, he was not the imposing physical specimen I expected either, maybe 5'6'' and 140 pounds soaking wet. I even tried talking to him, but he only mumbled a feeble greeting.
That's "kick my ass" :)
418 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:05:35am |
re: #414 avanti
even threatening to lick my ass
Don't sound like a threat to me. That's generally a couple of hundred bucks more.
420 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:06:00am |
421 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:06:10am |
re: #408 SasyMomaCat
re: #406 albusteve
If, unfortunately, American conservatism has to take the Republican party with it when it goes down, so be it. I would not feel differently at all if history turned out that the Democrats were currently the conservative political institution and in that same position.
But I do agree with Sasy that so-called centrist and even liberal parties are more populist than ideological. I'd like the Democrats to be the new center party and a new liberal-leftist party to form, but unfortunately the only party we have that could fits the latter ran a raving anti-Semite as its candidate in 2008.
422 | Wozza Matter? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:06:12am |
been away from the site a few days.... did i miss much?
i *could* go read back - but i like hearing what other people will say......
423 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:06:22am |
424 | lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:06:49am |
Yemen storms AQ hideout; 1 arrested.
Yemeni security forces stormed an al-Qaida hide-out Wednesday in a principle militant stronghold in the country's west, setting off clashes, officials said, as a security chief vowed to fight the group's powerful local branch until it was eliminated.A government statement said at least one suspected al-Qaida member was arrested during the fighting in Hudaydah province. The province, along Yemen's Red Sea coast, was home to most of the assailants in a bombing and shooting attack outside the U.S. Embassy in 2008 that killed 10 Yemeni guards and four civilians.
"The (Interior) Ministry will continue tracking down al-Qaida terrorists and will continue its strikes against the group until it is totally eliminated," said Deputy Interior Minister Brig. Gen. Saleh al-Zawari.
425 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:06:55am |
426 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:07:09am |
427 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:07:15am |
The comments came shortly after Hamas reportedly rejected the latest offer from Israel to free hundreds of Palestinian prisoners in return for its corporal, who has been held in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip for more than three years.
Al-Arabiya television network, relying on Hamas sources, has reported that the Hamas political leadership had decided to turn down the latest Israeli offer on a prisoner exchange.
Al-Arabiya said the leadership, under Damascus-based Khaled Meshal, came to the decision after 12 hours of deliberations following Israel's refusal to release several senior leaders as well as increasing the number of prisoners that Israel is seeking to exile upon their release. Hamas, however, is officially denying the television report.
SNIP
In an earlier statement, Hamdan hinted at Hamas' intention to kidnap additional Israeli soldiers if Israel doesn't accept the group's demands.
SNIP
428 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:07:33am |
re: #410 Alouette
They have been protesting Ahava Dead Sea Cosmetics for "stealing Palestinian mud."
I've been told that the Dead Sea is drying up. Is there anything being done to restore it?
429 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:07:55am |
re: #427 MandyManners
Is he really still alive?
430 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:08:18am |
re: #414 avanti
Very true. I once made a enemy on a Studebaker forum. The guy called me every name in the book using the vilest language you could imagine, even threatening to lick my ass . Many of us one that forum were concerned about what would happen if we ever met face to face at a Studebaker meet. Hell, I'm a lover, not a fighter.
When we finally did, he turned out to be very shy, not talking to anyone, and mostly staring at the ground. BTW, he was not the imposing physical specimen I expected either, maybe 5'6'' and 140 pounds soaking wet. I even tried talking to him, but he only mumbled a feeble greeting.
*snicker*
431 | AK-47% Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:08:25am |
Our Constitution makes it clear about "cruel and unusual punishment". I believe that is what the Founding Fathers called "torture".
And although there are arguments to be made about cases where applying cruel and unusual methods might be justified by the circumestances (I don't agree with most of them), it bothers me that there are people who take pride and delight at being given the opportunity to apply them.
That is not at all in the sense of the Constitution.
432 | lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:08:56am |
re: #427 MandyManners
Of course Hamas intends to kidnap additional Israelis to use as bargaining chips; they'll try it regardless of the Shalit situation. They've been trying to secure the release of hundreds of terrorists from Israeli jails for more than 3 years now, and they'll keep adding demands and threats as it suits them.
The inevitable fact is that Hamas will not stop until Israel is destroyed, regardless of what the diplomats say or wish the facts to be.
433 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:09:02am |
re: #421 lazardo
I see what you're saying, but I believe both R & D have been so tainted that it would be better to have a new viable centrist party.
Ah, if wishes were horses . . .
434 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:09:17am |
re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Is he really still alive?
Wasn't there a video of him proving that he was a few months ago?
435 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:09:36am |
re: #434 MandyManners
Wasn't there a video of him proving that he was a few months ago?
Yeah, there was. He's still kickin'.
437 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:10:39am |
re: #432 lawhawk
Of course Hamas intends to kidnap additional Israelis to use as bargaining chips; they'll try it regardless of the Shalit situation. They've been trying to secure the release of hundreds of terrorists from Israeli jails for more than 3 years now, and they'll keep adding demands and threats as it suits them.
The inevitable fact is that Hamas will not stop until Israel is destroyed, regardless of what the diplomats say or wish the facts to be.
Mean Juice just need to unclinch their fists and maybe get a "RESET" button.
438 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:10:42am |
re: #436 lazardo
Ready to see it go. May 2010 be better for all of us~
439 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:10:47am |
re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Is he really still alive?
All that time spent over there, there's a more frightening possibility that he's got Stockholm Syndrome something fierce.
440 | DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:10:50am |
re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth
One simple guideline for Christian music is NO DRUMS!
But go with harps and cymbals - teh Crizchens luv harps n cymbals!
1 Chr 15:28 Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the Lord with shouting, and with sound of the cornet, and with trumpets, and with cymbals, making a noise with psalteries and harps.
441 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:11:25am |
442 | avanti Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:11:32am |
re: #426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Typos like that are what makes the internet go 'round!
Like Nirther for example. Or the old ad : "Free to a good home, male German Shepperd. Eats anything, especially fond of children"
443 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:11:55am |
re: #441 NJDhockeyfan
aack - don't say that! Famous last words and all that ...
444 | DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:11:55am |
re: #428 lazardo
I've been told that the Dead Sea is drying up. Is there anything being done to restore it?
Constant pissing contests... /
445 | lawhawk Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:11:55am |
re: #429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Shalit is known to be alive as of October 2009. The video released then shows him reading a newspaper with current news from that date. I didn't expect him to be alive at that point, but Hamas still believes that it is in their interest for him to be alive to secure the release of more terrorists than if he were dead (which would still command a high price for the return of his body if prior swaps are an indication). Heck, the release of that video meant the release of 20 Palestinians; though Israel could turn around and say that they were due to be released shortly thereafter anyways at the end of their sentences so it wasn't a security threat to release them as they did. It just provided yet another propaganda coup to Hamas.
446 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:12:59am |
re: #427 MandyManners
SNIP
Israeli Arabs who planned to kidnap soldiers sentenced to 2 years in prison.
447 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:14:24am |
448 | stayfrosty Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:14:47am |
re: #421 lazardo
re: #406 albusteve
If, unfortunately, American conservatism has to take the Republican party with it when it goes down, so be it. I would not feel differently at all if history turned out that the Democrats were currently the conservative political institution and in that same position.a raving anti-Semite as its candidate in 2008.
What does that mean? Over 40% of the US describes themselves as "conservative". "Conservatism" as an ideology isn't 'going down' anytime soon. If anything, it's on the rise. And it's a bit of a stretch to imply Democrats are the conservative party right now.
That said, fringe nutwingers /= mainstream conservatism. Racism, anti-government violence, etc., are all quite alien to true conservatism, which respects the rule of law and individual liberty. Those are its founding principles. So, I don't agree with lumping every negative part of current American political discourse into the word "conservatism", which is what it seems you're doing.
450 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:14:53am |
re: #440 DaddyG
As an aside, anyone interested in theology or theological discussions might like to check out Theophiles. Lots of interesting perspectives there. Not quite as active as its predecessor, X., but still a good bunch. Feel free to tell them SMC/SasyMomaCat sent ya. I don't post there much anymore, but still read often.
451 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:15:09am |
A comment I find interesting on blogs (and I've seen it hear often enough) is right after an official that a poster appears to heavily dislike does something that the poster approves of they make a statement roughly of the form:
"It's almost enough to make me willing to vote for XXXXXX" where XXXXXX can be an official, or possibly even a party reference.
The question this immediately makes me think are:
1. What event/decision would said official have to make in order to have you willing to vote for them.
The inverse happens as well when an official that a poster appears to support says something extremely inflammatory and/or stupid. In that case XXXXXX is an opposing candidate or party.
And then I wonder whether said statement made by official was made with the knowledge that some base or group was pandered to while at the same time reining the statement in far enough to not lose slightly more moderate support. (Or knowing that a simple not-pology at a later point would recover their support.)
Hmm. Seems to be a cynical morning.
452 | DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:15:25am |
re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist
Does the Bible make any mention of a tenor sax?
Some things are just so obviously evil they don't bear mentioning.
453 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:15:30am |
454 | Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:15:42am |
re: #438 SasyMomaCat
Ready to see it go. May 2010 be better for all of us~
Hey Lizards! Contribute to headlines we'd like to see in 2010.. I'll post New Years Day...Examples received:
"Mahmoud Ahmadinejad disappears in bizarre gardening accident. Iran scraps nuclear program."
"Fossilized rabbit found in pre-Cambrian stratum."
"Richard Dawkins named as next Archbishop of Canterbury."
"Valid proof of God's existence found written on discarded newspaper in London Underground."
"Extra-terrestrials address UN - non-aligned nations walk out."
"Ancient Aristotelian comedy discovered. Contains first ever custard pie throwing scene."
"Charles Johnson receives honorary knighthood for services to blogging."
Tiger Woods and Octomom sighted in West Side nightclub
455 | SixDegrees Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:16:46am |
456 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:17:26am |
re: #432 lawhawk
That's why I've viewed a lot of the threats/comments issued by Hamas, Hezbollah, or the PLO in the past as empty. If Israel, the US, or whomever had bowed to their statements it meant nothing in terms of a behavioral change by the terrorist organization.
457 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:17:32am |
re: #446 Alouette
Israeli Arabs who planned to kidnap soldiers sentenced to 2 years in prison.
They'll probably have a better life in prison than at home.
458 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:17:34am |
re: #455 SixDegrees
My best friend looks exactly like Peter Boyle!
459 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:18:42am |
460 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:19:03am |
re: #448 stayfrosty
I'd say PETA, ELF and the more violence-oriented communists and anarchists are also negative parts of American political discourse. The conservatives don't have a monopoly on that.
Of course, as the previous thread dealt with a negative point so dearly cherished by the right-wing, and as the American political spectrum is edged toward the right compared to other developed countries, I still stand by my statement that an endorsement of torture in information gathering is a conservative thought.
461 | DaddyG Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:20:02am |
re: #454 HoosierHoops
Tiger Woods and Octomom sighted in West Side nightclub
...Tiger's spokesman says pro golfer simply looking for a new 8 wood.
462 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:20:43am |
re: #454 HoosierHoops
"IDF and Lebanon complete Joint Operation against Hezbollah, Nasrallah imprisoned"
463 | Wozza Matter? Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:20:53am |
re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist
Probbaly not - but you may care to consult it on the matter of felonious monks....
464 | MandyManners Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:20:56am |
465 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:21:29am |
re: #454 HoosierHoops
Great idea!
"Iranian Protesters Prevail - Mullahs Tarred, Feathered, and Run Out on Rail"
"Democrats and Republicans Frantic as Party Membership Plummets - New Centrist Numbers Soaring"
"Military Enlistment Efforts Slowed as Peace Spreads Globally"
466 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:23:09am |
re: #465 SasyMomaCat
"Military Enlistment Efforts Slowed as Peace Spreads Globally"
Star Wars Finally Launches. Space "Lasers" to form New Global Defense Platform.
/pinky to mouth
467 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:23:59am |
re: #454 HoosierHoops
President Obama to Address Iranian Nation: "The bombing begins in five minutes."
468 | Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:25:56am |
Sarah Palin declares herself Queen of the World...
Questions about Katie Couric going missing...
469 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:27:27am |
re: #468 HoosierHoops
Sasha Baron Cohen Accidentally Named Kazakhstan's UN Ambassador
/it was a very niii~ce moviefilm.
470 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:29:49am |
Mel Brooks completes _History of the World: Part II_
471 | Digital Display Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:31:52am |
Gordon Brown discovers Britain is fighting in Afghanistan..
Calls war council
472 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:36:07am |
{insert preferred politician/celebrity here} discovered to be mutant lab mouse in robotic suit. Claimed goal is world domination and a benevolent dictatorship.
Initial poll numbers are higher than current approval ratings of Congress.
473 | lazardo Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:37:16am |
re: #472 oaktree
Kim Jong-Il discovered to be mutant lab
mousecockroach in robotic suit. Claimed goal is world domination and a benevolent dictatorship.Initial poll numbers are higher than current approval ratings of Congress.
/Maaaaatt Damooonnn
474 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:45:47am |
re: #405 rurality
sorry for the delayed response - using the current lull to make sure I didn't unintentionally "snub" anyone.
You're missing the point altogether. I wasn't suggesting anything regarding the validity or lack thereof of any particular "moonbattiness." The point is that the radical elements tend to be loud and get lots of press and are generally put forward as representing the whole of the party with whom they are affiliated (especially "opposition parties") or being the leading force of that party's elected leaders. It is the party's responsibility to marginalize those individuals. It took the Dems time, will take the Repubs time.
475 | AK-47% Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:46:23am |
Those aren't mutants, they are Intelligent Design errors...
477 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Dec 30, 2009 8:47:33am |
After the last couple of threads there is need for an infection of mirth.
482 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Dec 30, 2009 2:29:48pm |
re: #112 Walter L. Newton
Just a drive by, started my new job yesterday at the LARGE non-profit thrift store. My title is "Furniture Pricer."
Ha... What they don't tell you until you sign on the dotted line. The title should be...
"Furniture /Hauler/Cleaner/Hauler/Fixer/Hauler/Mover/Hauler/S weeper/Hauler/Pricer..."
Ah... the joys of physical labor at the age of 57.
Mazal tov on the job!