What Racism at the Tea Parties?

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This is ironic, since I just finished a recording for Bloggingheads.tv in which Conn Carroll of the Heritage Foundation insisted there was no racism evident at the tea party demonstrations — and now here we have Dale Robertson, leader of teaparty.org, in trouble for appearing at the February 27, 2009 Houston Tea Party with a sign containing a racist slur. And it’s a misspelled racist slur, just for that extra bit of tea bag goodness.

(Hat tip: Dave Weigel.)

UPDATE at 1/4/10 2:05:49 pm:

And the irony gets even tastier, because as he held the racist sign, Robertson was wearing a cap declaring himself a “Man of Faith.”

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1 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:02:56pm

Sigh. "Get a brain, morans."

2 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:03:09pm

Also note he's wearing a "Man of Faith" hat...hypocrisy to the nth degree.

3 Mark Pennington  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:03:55pm

Teabaggers mock President Obama for using a telepromptor. They need a spellepromptor!

4 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:04:03pm

re: #1 iceweasel

Sigh. "Get a brain, morans."

I hope that guy sees himself online holding that sign and being used as a symbol of stupidity as often as I see him.

5 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:04:20pm

What's with these fat, mcmansion-dwelling, money-grubbing hippie-haters growing beards? Is it supposed to be some kind ofBoer commando look? Old west posse maybe? Confederate general?

6 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:04:32pm

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

7 Lidane  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:04:58pm

The fact that he's wearing a Texas flag shirt pisses me off.

Stop making my state look bad, you tool.

8 Ojoe  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:05:24pm

This is lowbrow stuff.

9 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:05:50pm

Fair enough. So you're saying every single person at every Tea Party, and anyone who criticizes Obama, they're all racists. You hate them all, right? Were you there?

///

10 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:05:55pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel

What's with these fat, mcmansion-dwelling, money-grubbing hippie-haters growing beards? Is it supposed to be some kind ofBoer commando look? Old west posse maybe? Confederate general?

Eric Cartman, all grown up.

11 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:05:59pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel

What's with these fat, mcmansion-dwelling, money-grubbing hippie-haters growing beards? Is it supposed to be some kind ofBoer commando look? Old west posse maybe? Confederate general?

That's a Texas Teabaggin' Tickler...steeped in tradition.

12 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:06:43pm

Another great moment in our political discourse.

Check the URL on the sign.

13 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:06:47pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

Fair enough. So you're saying every single person at every Tea Party, and anyone who criticizes Obama, they're all racists. You hate them all, right? Were you there?

///

Yeah, who sent those pictures to you? Leftists?

/

14 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:07:07pm

He was trying to say the taxpayers are niggardly, but ran out of space.

/

15 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:07:22pm

re: #12 iceweasel

Another great moment in our political discourse.

Check the URL on the sign.

I used to post there, back in the day.

16 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:08:02pm

Maybe he was wrting "niggardly" and he ran out of ink.

17 abbyadams  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:08:58pm

The tension on the string increases. This is becoming like watching a balloon getting blown up - wondering when it's going to pop.

That being said, I think these idiots should get all the press they're looking for, and the mocking that they roundly deserve to go with it.

18 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:09:08pm

re: #16 Mad Al-Jaffee

GMTA (I learned that here at LGF.)

19 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:09:12pm

Jospeh Coors would have been another one that would have said, "what racism?" It's part of their "heritage."

20 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:09:16pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

He was trying to say the taxpayers are niggardly, but ran out of space.

/

Somehow, "Congress = Slave Owners, Taxpayers = Scandinavians" just doesn't have that memorable punch to it.

21 Ojoe  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:09:28pm

re: #10 Alouette

If you are going to grow a beard, then really grow one.

22 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:10:42pm

He wouldn't know faith if it bit him on his corpulent ass.

23 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:10:42pm

re: #21 Ojoe

If you are going to grow a beard, then really grow one.

Crikey. And he only won third place.

24 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:11:41pm

re: #15 Alouette

I used to post there, back in the day.

I never ran across them except when people on the left would pull some extremist comments out, but I have heard from several people I respect that it didn't use to be anything like what it is now.* I guess a combination of ODS and virtually no moderation has let the crazies take over?

* of course, like you, they also all left long ago.

25 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:12:06pm

re: #22 MandyManners

He wouldn't know faith if it bit him on his corpulent ass.

Updinged for agreement and the use of 'corpulent'...

26 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:12:31pm

re: #20 SixDegrees

I like engineering fixes. The teapartiers need programmable LED protest signs with spell-check.

27 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:12:46pm

re: #20 SixDegrees

Somehow, "Congress = Slave Owners, Taxpayers = Scandinavians" just doesn't have that memorable punch to it.

Perhaps Congress = Aerosmith and Mean Mr Mustard, Taxpayers = Peter Frampton and the Bee Gees would work better.

/obscure reference mode on.

28 woodpussy  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:13:47pm

Despicable on so many levels. But it must noted that at any event like this, no matter the occasion, you can always find those nuts.

29 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:14:45pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

I like engineering fixes. The teapartiers need programmable LED protest signs with spell-check.

Programmable LED protest signs with spell-check are not mentioned in the Bible, and are therefore either blasphemous or don't exist. I'm not sure which.

30 Linden Arden  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:15:05pm

Remember in the "originalist" view of the Constitution espoused by Scalia/conservatives slavery is permitted and each slave was accorded 3/5 personhood for census purposes.

Despicable? Yes.

Widespread belief today? Sadly, no.

31 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:15:19pm
Youtube Video
32 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:15:33pm

re: #28 woodpussy

Despicable on so many levels. But it must noted that at any event like this, no matter the occasion, you can always find those nuts.

This is the kook-lord himself though, not some small-fry kook who wandered in off the street.

33 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:15:34pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perhaps Congress = Aerosmith and Mean Mr Mustard, Taxpayers = Peter Frampton and the Bee Gees would work better.

/obscure reference mode on.

perhaps "we want lower taxes" might do the trick.

34 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:16:12pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Perhaps Congress = Aerosmith and Mean Mr Mustard, Taxpayers = Peter Frampton and the Bee Gees would work better.

/obscure reference mode on.

Noooooooo! Not the Bee Gees Sgt. Pepper movie!!!!!

35 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:16:12pm

I'm not seeing a lot of personal responsibility being demonstrated by that person's sign.

36 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:16:20pm

re: #24 iceweasel

I never ran across them except when people on the left would pull some extremist comments out, but I have heard from several people I respect that it didn't use to be anything like what it is now.* I guess a combination of ODS and virtually no moderation has let the crazies take over?

* of course, like you, they also all left long ago.

I haven't posted there in over a year, since the election. Teh Crazy just took over.

37 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:16:26pm

re: #29 SixDegrees

Programmable LED protest signs with spell-check are not mentioned in the Bible, and are therefore either blasphemous or don't exist. I'm not sure which.

Been to a lot of Amish protests?

38 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:16:48pm

re: #28 woodpussy

Despicable on so many levels. But it must noted that at any event like this, no matter the occasion, you can always find those nuts.

This is the organizer.

39 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:17:13pm

re: #33 brookly red

perhaps "we want lower taxes" might do the trick.

Nah. You need to grab their attention. Perhaps some paper mache puppets and some slogan chanting.

/

40 Aye Pod  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:17:33pm

It's been a while since I saw anyone complaining about the term 'teabagger'. In the light of this sort of garbage, it now seems insufficiently offensive and insulting.

41 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:18:09pm

re: #30 Linden Arden

Remember in the "originalist" view of the Constitution espoused by Scalia/conservatives slavery is permitted and each slave was accorded 3/5 personhood for census purposes.

Despicable? Yes.

Widespread belief today? Sadly, no.

I'm a Conservative and I don't hold that view.

Could you post a link to a story saying that Justice Scalia thinks that?

42 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:18:14pm

re: #37 Decatur Deb

Been to a lot of Amish protests?

It was actually a swipe at Creationists.

I've never really gotten the whole Amish thing. Technology is bad...if it was developed after the 1800's? WTF?

I suspect I'm missing something.

43 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:18:19pm

re: #34 Mad Al-Jaffee

Nooo! Not the Bee Gees Sgt. Pepper movie!!!

I knew someone would reveal himself if I set the bait.

44 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:18:45pm

You know Charles the hat on that guy filming looks very familiar. Like the hat someone's son wears. Impossible to tell if that's him though from this. Anyone know for sure who that is doing the filming in the photo?

45 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:18:47pm

Hey, look. More crazy.
Idaho Candidate Who Joked About Hunting Obama Now Says God Can Save Constitution

"We are in America's second Revolutionary War..."
46 JamesWI  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:18:52pm

OT (though only slightly, since it has to do with Glenn Beck)

I was just flipping through the channel and caught about 20 seconds of the Glenn Beck show (since that is the maximum amount of time I can stomach it). He was talking about how, although his show is an opinion show, it is "based in facts." To support this, he stated that "in the last year alone" his show has accounted for "over 50,000 man-hours, just for a one hour show that airs once a day."

I did some rough calculations, not factoring in weekdays that would also be holidays, and therefore no show. There are approximately 261 weekdays per year. 50,000 hours / 261 days = 191 man-hours per day. Let's say Glenn Beck has 30 people working on his show (probably a conservative estimate. That would be 6.3 hours of work per day per person. That is, less work than a normal full-time employee. And he is using that as evidence of how "fact-based" his show is.

47 Digital Display  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:19:25pm

LGF just got trashed on the Glenn Beck Show

48 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:19:35pm

re: #42 SixDegrees

It was actually a swipe at Creationists.

I've never really gotten the whole Amish thing. Technology is bad...if it was developed after the 1800's? WTF?

I suspect I'm missing something.

a fear of electricity?

49 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:19:52pm

re: #44 Thanos

You know Charles the hat on that guy filming looks very familiar. Like the hat someone's son wears. Impossible to tell if that's him though from this. Anyone know for sure who that is doing the filming in the photo?

Whose son?

50 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:20:05pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

LGF just got trashed on the Glenn Beck Show

By Beck?

51 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:20:18pm

re: #38 Charles

This is the organizer.

Well, that's a heartening fact. Given that he can't even organize a crayon and a piece of posterboard.

52 woodpussy  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:20:18pm

re: #38 Charles

My bad, despicable doesn't even start to describe it!

53 Lidane  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:20:21pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

LGF just got trashed on the Glenn Beck Show

Feh. By trashing LGF, Beck's paying Charles a compliment.

54 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:20:23pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

LGF just got trashed on the Glenn Beck Show

Probably one of the best compliments one can get. If Beck hates ya, you're doing something right.

55 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:20:32pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

LGF just got trashed on the Glenn Beck Show

Oligarhy!

56 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:20:32pm

re: #49 MandyManners

Whose son?

I'm not sure enough if that's him to mention a name. Charles will know.

57 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:20:32pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

LGF just got trashed on the Glenn Beck Show

Fuck Glenn Beck.

58 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:20:43pm

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I remember seeing it on tv when I was a kid. Me and my brother Both big Beatles fans) tuned in and were more than a little upset about it being a Bee Gees movie. Aerosmith's scene was pretty cool though.

59 blueraven  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:20:59pm

OT kind of: Beck must be cracking. He is on a rant for being called misinformer of the year.

He just blurbed LGF.

60 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:21:02pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

LGF just got trashed on the Glenn Beck Show

Congratulations Charles! Getting trashed by Beck is one of the highest compliments a political blog can get.
(no snark!)

61 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:21:17pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fuck Glenn Beck.

I'd rather not.

62 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:21:40pm

re: #59 blueraven

OT kind of: Beck must be cracking. He is on a rant for being called misinformer of the year.

He just blurbed LGF.

What did he actually say? Was anyone listening?

63 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:21:45pm

re: #58 Mad Al-Jaffee

I remember seeing it on tv when I was a kid. Me and my brother Both big Beatles fans) tuned in and were more than a little upset about it being a Bee Gees movie. Aerosmith's scene was pretty cool though.

Steve Martin was my favorite part, followed by Alice Cooper. Other than that, it was quite cringe worthy.

64 bubba zanetti  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:21:45pm

I guess it was too hard to spell Kunte Kinte...

65 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:22:13pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fuck Glenn Beck.

Not even with Rush's dick.

66 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:22:17pm

re: #61 MandyManners

I'd rather not.

I did not specify with what said act would be performed with.

67 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:22:21pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

LGF just got trashed on the Glenn Beck Show

Get ready for a Beckalanche

68 Aye Pod  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:22:33pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

LGF just got trashed on the Glenn Beck Show

He's butthurt. Massively so.

Youtube Video
69 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:22:36pm

re: #45 JasonA

Hey, look. More crazy.
Idaho Candidate Who Joked About Hunting Obama Now Says God Can Save Constitution

I noticed on Robertson's tea-bagger site that he seems to be pretty thick with various preachers, most of whom use the title "doctor" very prominently.

70 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:22:47pm

re: #62 Soap_Man

What did he actually say? Was anyone listening?

I'm surprised as many people have confessed to watching as already have.

71 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:22:48pm

re: #65 darthstar

Not even with Rush's dick.

That gets an "ew!" upding.

72 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:22:54pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

LGF just got trashed on the Glenn Beck Show

Again? That's the third time. What did he say?

73 Digital Display  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:23:50pm

re: #60 darthstar

Congratulations Charles! Getting trashed by Beck is one of the highest compliments a political blog can get.
(no snark!)

He quoted a post here...Didn't quote Charles...That's why Charles watches his house..Just think..Reading that and going' oh Shit that was Taxfreekiller!'
Now what?

74 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:23:51pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

LGF just got trashed on the Glenn Beck Show

Did he finally notice that it was a young Charles Johnson leading Mussolini's chariot through Rockefeller Center?

75 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:23:59pm

re: #48 brookly red

a fear of electricity?

Our gradeschool once worked at potato picking with Amish farmers. I asked a lady why they didn't like electricity. Answer: "Too swift and too sharp."

76 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:24:08pm

I tape Red Eye every night and watch it the next day. There's always a minute or two of Beck at the beginning. Luckily, I can fast forward through that.

77 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:24:30pm

I've decided we are going to have an Idiotarian of the Year award, by the way.

No need to have a poll, though. There's really only one candidate possible.

78 blueraven  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:24:43pm

re: #62 Soap_Man

What did he actually say? Was anyone listening?


I think he quoted a LGF post or comment. It happened quickly. Will take a look and see if I can find it.

79 all4one  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:24:54pm

Charles, you seem obsessed with exposing the far right for what it is. Thank you. One thing about this guy, at least he's willing to put on the poster exactly what he thinks; most of the Tea Baggers are probably just as racist but would not actually say so in public.

80 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:25:13pm
81 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:25:14pm

OT - Anyone know anything about Scott Brown? He's the GOP candidate running for Kennedy's Senate seat in Massachusetts.

82 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:25:19pm

I wonder where people like teabaggers and hotair commenters get the idea that liberals (and Obama) are enemies of America and want to destroy it...must be some fringe group, I guess.

Quist: Defeating liberals a bigger battle than defeating terrorism

Allen Quist, a Republican who is seeking to defeat Rep. Tim Walz in southern Minnesota’s First Congressional District, told attendees of the Wabasha County Republicans Christmas Party in mid-December that beating the “radical” liberals in Washington, D.C., is a bigger battle than beating terrorism.

“Our country is being destroyed. Every generation has had to fight the fight for freedom… Terrorism? Yes. That’s not the big battle,” he said. “The big battle is in D.C. with the radicals. They aren’t liberals. They are radicals. Obama, Pelosi, Walz: They’re not liberals, they’re radicals. They are destroying our country.”

Reminder: it's only the Republicans who take the war on terror Christmas liberals seriously.

83 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:25:30pm

re: #79 all4one

Charles, you seem obsessed with exposing the far right for what it is. Thank you. One thing about this guy, at least he's willing to put on the poster exactly what he thinks; most of the Tea Baggers are probably just as racist but would not actually say so in public.

Proof?

84 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:26:09pm

re: #77 Charles

I've decided we are going to have an Idiotarian of the Year award, by the way.

No need to have a poll, though. There's really only one candidate possible.

There was a poll last week at dKos for 'assclown of the year'...Joe Lieberman beat Glenn Beck by 18 votes...out of over 6,500 votes cast. Talk about a close race!

85 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:26:41pm

He's probably starting to catch some heat because the teabaggers took the cash raised and ran, while the NRCC is broke and unable to finance a single campaign for congress fully this year yet.
Republican congress critters approval ratings are now lower than Dems, when the opposite should be true. Great Job teabaggers!!!

// sunsabitches

86 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:26:42pm

re: #82 iceweasel

Some people are very unclear on what this "democracy" thing really means.

87 Lidane  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:27:37pm

re: #81 SixDegrees

OT - Anyone know anything about Scott Brown? He's the GOP candidate running for Kennedy's Senate seat in Massachusetts.

He wants the undie bomber put into Gitmo and waterboarded

Also, this is his campaign website:

[Link: www.brownforussenate.com...]

88 blueherron  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:27:37pm

re: #72 Charles

Charles,
He quoted one of your posts calling him a "freakazoid" regarding his (and Sarah's) belief in the existance of death panels.

89 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:28:13pm

re: #79 all4one

Charles, you seem obsessed with exposing the far right for what it is. Thank you. One thing about this guy, at least he's willing to put on the poster exactly what he thinks; most of the Tea Baggers are probably just as racist but would not actually say so in public.

I don't know if I would assume the rest are "just as racist," but you make a fair point. If someone's going to be that racist I would rather they be up front about instead of all the "subtle" shit followed by "but I have black friends." At least with this guy you know what you are getting.

90 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:28:43pm
91 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:28:52pm

re: #88 blueherron

Charles,
He quoted one of your posts calling him a "freakazoid" regarding his (and Sarah's) belief in the existance of death panels.

I guess he missed the ones calling him a complete fricking moron over that particular issue.

92 Linden Arden  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:28:53pm

re: #41 MandyManners

I'm a Conservative and I don't hold that view.

Could you post a link to a story saying that Justice Scalia thinks that?

Not all conservatives are Originalists or Contructionists.

The purpose of such a view is to ignore or negate 200+ years of Stare decisis, or case law.

It is just that all Originalists are conservatives.


The purpose of this view is to preserve the past, nothing more. Scalia is a radical Catholic. He heaps disdain on birth control permissiveness, for instance.

In short - Scalia does not support the 3/5ths compromise but he does support the "original" view of rights.

93 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:29:18pm

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I guess he missed the ones calling him a complete fricking moron over that particular issue.

Ha! Up-ding!

94 Cygnus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:29:19pm

re: #7 Lidane

The fact that he's wearing a Texas flag shirt pisses me off.

Stop making my state look bad, you tool.

And stop making my faith look bad, doofus.

95 Vambo  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:29:48pm

re: #90 Gus 802

Can you provide some clarification on this. Are you saying they think "as of January 2009, the only racism that exists in the USA is "reverse racism" - the black power structure keeping the white man down?" Or are you saying this?

sorry, I'm saying that's what THEY think.

96 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:30:24pm

re: #85 Thanos

He's probably starting to catch some heat because the teabaggers took the cash raised and ran, while the NRCC is broke and unable to finance a single campaign for congress fully this year yet.
Republican congress critters approval ratings are now lower than Dems, when the opposite should be true. Great Job teabaggers!!!

// sunsabitches

I did think that it could have been an inside job/expose - someone in one of the Tea Party factions sent the photo to Weigel. Was this photo posted back in February anywhere?

97 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:30:54pm

re: #90 Gus 802

Can you provide some clarification on this. Are you saying they think "as of January 2009, the only racism that exists in the USA is "reverse racism" - the black power structure keeping the white man down?" Or are you saying this?

I assumed it was snark

98 metrolibertarian  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:31:30pm

[Link: wonkette.com...]

Opportunistic asshole from Alabama may have a more difficult time of it now.

99 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:31:36pm

re: #96 Stanley Sea

I did think that it could have been an inside job/expose - someone in one of the Tea Party factions sent the photo to Weigel. Was this photo posted back in February anywhere?

Mongo not know the answer to that, Mongo just pawn in game of life.

100 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:32:11pm

re: #95 Vambo

sorry, I'm saying that's what THEY think.

re: #97 Conservative Moonbat

I assumed it was snark

Well, I was a little confused at first. Be careful next time because it's been deleted.

101 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:32:38pm

re: #99 Thanos

Mongo not know the answer to that, Mongo just pawn in game of life.

/Mongo just a taxpayer?

102 Cheechako  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:32:45pm

I think this is the WaPost column that pissed off Beck:


America's Beck effect

103 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:33:17pm

re: #92 Linden Arden

Not all conservatives are Originalists or Contructionists.

The purpose of such a view is to ignore or negate 200+ years of Stare decisis, or case law.

It is just that all Originalists are conservatives.


The purpose of this view is to preserve the past, nothing more. Scalia is a radical Catholic. He heaps disdain on birth control permissiveness, for instance.

In short - Scalia does not support the 3/5ths compromise but he does support the "original" view of rights.

So, you were not being truthful in your No. 30.

104 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:33:30pm

re: #102 Cheechako

I think this is the WaPost column that pissed off Beck:


America's Beck effect

Yeah, I stuck that one in spinoffs this am

105 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:33:31pm

re: #98 metrolibertarian

[Link: wonkette.com...]

Opportunistic asshole from Alabama may have a more difficult time of it now.

Unlikely. I don't see why he'd have any problems replacing his staff.

106 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:33:47pm

re: #97 Conservative Moonbat

I assumed it was snark

So had I, based on his comment history.

107 Cygnus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:33:56pm

re: #42 SixDegrees

It was actually a swipe at Creationists.

I've never really gotten the whole Amish thing. Technology is bad...if it was developed after the 1800's? WTF?

I suspect I'm missing something.

There are also groups that say any English Bible translation after the King James Version is totally evil.

108 Summer Seale  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:34:04pm

Hi everyone! Sarah here!

Wow, so much to talk about, huh? You betcha! So much going on in this thread and golly, just tons of stuff to....think about!

First of all, you know, we all know what rallies are like and - I can say this because I've been to a few - it's all about good Americans just rallying around lower taxes and just being great towards me and cheering me on!

Did I ever see racism there? Of course not! Everyone is too busy clappin' and cheerin' and saying "Go, Sarah, Go!" And that's the way it is supposed to be! Just like a cheerleader rally! That's my kinda rally and that's the kinda rally you'll find at any Tea Party, which I approve of, totally!

The only nuts you'll find there are people who are booing on the edges, but they all believe in monkeys falling down from trees and that dirt is older than dirt and all - as if that makes any sense, huh??

Anyway, I don't know where this picture comes from but I betcha it's not from one of my rallies! It must be a global conspiracy thing just like Glenn Beck says!

Which gets me to the other point! Glenn Beck!

Isn't he such a great man? I listen to him, don't you? He's such a good guy and, yannow, I just have to agree with almost everything he says! Of course, nobody ever agrees with each other 100% of the time - that isn't part of God's plan. But if you don't agree with me eight out of ten bullet points on that list, am I throwin' you out of the Republican party and into the hellish life-hating party of the Democrats??? You betcha!

Anyway, I have to milk this red dress for more than it's worth and it still has some mileage on it, so I better get going, but I'll be back later to chat! Seeya everyone!

109 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:34:06pm

re: #102 Cheechako

I think this is the WaPost column that pissed off Beck:


America's Beck effect

"His method is simple: He goes places where others are forbidden by conscience."

Heh. Great line.

110 Digital Display  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:35:15pm

re: #101 brookly red

/Mongo just a taxpayer?

Mongo is the pawn that gets moved to Queen 4 in the first move of the game..
*Shakes his head*
Mongo so F*cked

111 Vambo  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:35:15pm

re: #82 iceweasel

I wonder where people like teabaggers and hotair commenters get the idea that liberals (and Obama) are enemies of America and want to destroy it...must be some fringe group, I guess.

Quist: Defeating liberals a bigger battle than defeating terrorism

Reminder: it's only the Republicans who take the war on terror Christmas liberals seriously.

I had a problem with the Democrats under Bush for the same reason (though not to same to same extent as the GOP under Obama) - it's never about what's best for the country, it's only about getting the party back into power. "Fighting liberals" is more important than fighting terrorists? That's the most honest statement I've heard from a Republican official all year.

112 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:35:56pm

I turned on the Beck show as he was ranting about Van Jones being a "communist" again -- and completely ignoring the fact that Van Jones renounced his early statement about being a communist and a black national.

Glenn Beck -- freakazoid liar.

113 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:36:05pm
114 bubba zanetti  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:36:37pm

re: #109 Soap_Man

"His method is simple: He goes places where others are forbidden by conscience."

He spends time on 4chan?

115 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:36:41pm

Grrrr.re: #76 Mad Al-Jaffee

That was the only show i could watch on FNC without throwing something through the teevee.

116 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:36:58pm

re: #107 Cygnus

There are also groups that say any English Bible translation after the King James Version is totally evil.

EVIL!

117 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:37:00pm

re: #107 Cygnus

There are also groups that say any English Bible translation after the King James Version is totally evil.

And the KJV is acceptable because...?

Although I can see how more recent Biblical scholarship might make certain evangelicals uncomfortable.

118 Vambo  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:37:14pm

re: #108 Summer

Hi everyone! Sarah here!

lolwhut.

119 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:37:22pm

Look out -- Beck has the dreaded blackboard out again, with a picture of Karl Marx on it!

What a freakazoid.

120 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:37:41pm

re: #114 bubba zanetti

That deserves more than a million updings.

121 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:37:59pm

re: #110 HoosierHoops

Mongo is the pawn that gets moved to Queen 4 in the first move of the game..
*Shakes his head*
Mongo so F*cked

Mongo's taxes are going up in 2010 too...

122 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:38:00pm

re: #119 Charles

Carl Marks?

123 abolitionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:38:01pm

re: #42 SixDegrees

It was actually a swipe at Creationists.

I've never really gotten the whole Amish thing. Technology is bad...if it was developed after the 1800's? WTF?

I suspect I'm missing something.

Considering that about 2/3 of the world's oil will be used up within one human lifetime (70 to 80 years), I think the Amish provide a valuable service, in terms of preserving older tried-and-proven far-from-bleeding-edge technologies --particularly with respect to farming, transportation, and housing.

124 bubba zanetti  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:38:12pm

re: #120 wozzablog

Well, at least 9000.

125 blueherron  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:38:31pm

re: #102 Cheechako


He said at the beginning of the show that he'd be hating on all his haters all week long. So I would guess that LFG will be getting a lot of air time this week. Maybe even more tonight. He's REALLY whacky tonight..

126 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:38:38pm

re: #121 brookly red

Mongo's taxes are going up in 2010 too...

Mongo makes over 250K a year? Darth wants Mongo's job.

127 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:38:42pm

As a good conservative, I really wanted the tea parties to be about smaller govt and taking back control through educating the voter.

To say I am disappointed is a bit of an understatement...

128 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:38:51pm

re: #113 nonic

By bolding #3, are you suggesting that's the definition in operation on that sign?

129 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:39:06pm
130 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:39:11pm

re: #111 Vambo

"Fighting liberals" is more important than fighting terrorists? That's the most honest statement I've heard from a Republican official all year.

Did you mean honest in the sense that it captures the GOP's true current priorities? I'm assuming you meant that...

131 Vambo  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:40:02pm

re: #130 iceweasel

Did you mean honest in the sense that it captures the GOP's true current priorities? I'm assuming you meant that...

yes

132 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:40:11pm

re: #126 darthstar

Mongo makes over 250K a year? Darth wants Mongo's job.

Both BHO and Biden lowered that number during the campaign. IIRC, the lowest number was in about $70,000.00.

133 recusancy  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:40:27pm

re: #112 Charles

I turned on the Beck show as he was ranting about Van Jones being a "communist" again -- and completely ignoring the fact that Van Jones renounced his early statement about being a communist and a black national.

Glenn Beck -- freakazoid liar.

He's also going off about criminals getting jobs. Yeah. Much better to keep them at the edge of society. That will change their ways.

134 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:40:28pm

re: #126 darthstar

Mongo makes over 250K a year? Darth wants Mongo's job.

actually the Bush tax cuts expire... everyone's taxes go up. Surprise!

135 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:41:01pm

Glenn Beck: brain trust of the Fox News organization.

//

136 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:41:23pm

re: #131 Vambo

yes

I thought so-- thanks for the clarification.

137 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:41:26pm

re: #134 brookly red

actually the Bush tax cuts expire... everyone's taxes go up. Surprise!

That's not a tax hike, it's just a tax reversion.

138 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:42:27pm

re: #128 wrenchwench

By bolding #3, are you suggesting that's the definition in operation on that sign?

Taxpayers are the hardest working band in Dublin?

139 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:42:34pm

re: #123 abolitionist

Considering that about 2/3 of the world's oil will be used up within one human lifetime (70 to 80 years), I think the Amish provide a valuable service, in terms of preserving older tried-and-proven far-from-bleeding-edge technologies --particularly with respect to farming, transportation, and housing.

I simply don't understand their justifications for accepting some technologies but not others. It isn't a matter of electricity, which wasn't understood when they formed and was far from being practical, anyway.

And frankly, those tried-and-true technologies produce yields thirty to forty times smaller than can be produced with modern farming methods, and don't even begin to scale to modern population sizes. There may be some use that can be dredged out of there, but rejection of modern technology isn't at all useful.

140 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:43:13pm

re: #137 darthstar

That's not a tax hike, it's just a tax reversion.

call it what ever you want, you still pay more.

141 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:43:16pm
142 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:43:54pm

Incoming!

Glenn Beck Accuses Liberals of Coordinating Birther Phone Calls

Newsflash to the Silver Gopher. Those weren't liberals.

143 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:44:06pm

re: #119 Charles

Look out -- Beck has the dreaded blackboard out again, with a picture of Karl Marx on it!

What a freakazoid.

I could only keep it on for 4 seconds.

144 blueraven  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:44:12pm

re: #134 brookly red

actually the Bush tax cuts expire... everyone's taxes go up. Surprise!

The tax cuts expire only for 250k and over.

145 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:44:13pm

re: #140 brookly red

call it what ever you want, you still pay more.

I consider it rent for living in this beautiful country...I don't mind paying my fair share.

146 recusancy  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:44:20pm

re: #141 nonic

You really don't understand?

147 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:44:51pm
148 nonic  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:45:26pm

re: #129 Jeff In Ohio

Also known as the Elvis Costello defense and bullshit, unless you happened to be working class British and never go anywhere but your sorry ass town, in which case we wouldn't be talking about this, would we?

Sorry, but I have no idea what you mean.

149 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:45:32pm

re: #144 blueraven

The tax cuts expire only for 250k and over.

Yeah, stick it to those people who have the gumption to own a small business or work to get up in the corporate world.

150 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:46:48pm

re: #145 darthstar

I consider it rent for living in this beautiful country...I don't mind paying my fair share.

no problem, pay all you want it's cool by me.

151 Linden Arden  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:46:50pm

re: #103 MandyManners

So, you were not being truthful in your No. 30.

Scalia is purposefully vague on race cases.



Brown v. Board of Education can be hard to square with originalism, which holds that the Constitution should be interpreted based on the original understanding of the text, the New York Times reports. The subject came up in a debate at the University of Arizona last month between Scalia and Justice Stephen G. Breyer, who advocates a more flexible method of constitutional interpretation.

“The justices know how to get under each other’s skin, and they punctuated their debate with exasperation, eye-rolling and venomous sarcasm,” the story says.

When Breyer asked about Brown v. Board of Education and the 14th Amendment, Scalia sidestepped the question. “As for Brown v. Board of Education, I think I would have”—and then he changed directions, saying he would have voted with the dissent in Plessy v. Ferguson, a case overruled by Brown.

But Plessy was an easier case for originalists, according to the Times. It concerns segregation on the railroads. They have long been considered common carriers that are required to serve all customers equally.

source - ADA Journal.

152 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:46:52pm

Glenn Beck Accuses Liberals of Coordinating Birther Phone Calls

However, we find:

Finally! A group of right wingers is calling for a telephone campaign against Glenn Beck!

Obviously, Glenn Beck isn't reading Little Green Footballs.

153 dugmartsch  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:47:23pm

OT: John Mackey, CEO of Whole Foods, climate change denier. Wow.

[Link: www.americablog.com...]

154 blueraven  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:48:17pm

re: #149 MandyManners

Yeah, stick it to those people who have the gumption to own a small business or work to get up in the corporate world.

I am just stating fact. The tax cut expiration does not apply to all as was suggested.

155 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:48:39pm
156 Haole  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:50:41pm

All these fricken commercials.

157 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:51:38pm

I watched the bloggingheads interview...that Conn guy could be summed up in, "fair enough". It was driving him batty that he couldn't nail Charles to the wall as was his whole goal of the interview. Basically could be summed up by him saying, "Fair enough", as begrudgingly as possible.

158 Irish Rose  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:51:52pm

These people disgust me.

159 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:52:13pm

re: #153 dugmartsch

OT: John Mackey, CEO of Whole Foods, climate change denier. Wow.

[Link: www.americablog.com...]

Uh - you're not surprised, are you? Mackey is clinically insane, from what I've been able to gather. I think Whole Foods, conceptually, has great potential for growth and high profits, but I've stayed as far as I can keep myself from their stock because of Mackey's glaringly obvious mental instabilities, which have already spilled over on the company's share value when he publicly advocated monopolistic, competition-reducing policies be undertaken.

With any luck, the board will put him out to pasture soon. He's a stark, raving loon.

160 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:53:05pm

re: #42 SixDegrees

It was actually a swipe at Creationists.

I've never really gotten the whole Amish thing. Technology is bad...if it was developed after the 1800's? WTF?

I suspect I'm missing something.

From what I've read, and I could be wrong so take this accordingly, they don't think technology is bad specifically, only things which cause you to be overly dependent on others, especially "The English" (non-Amish). If they can't make it themselves, or within their community, it's bad because they become dependent on outsiders. This is why most technology that is post 1820s or so is absent in an Amish community. Heavy industry and anything requiring modern science is beyond the means of such a small insular group.

161 Jaerik  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:54:25pm

Clearly it's a liberal plant. Nothing to see here.

"...and now here we have Dale Robertson, leader of TeaParty.org..."

...whoops.

162 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:54:33pm

re: #4 darthstar

I hope that guy sees himself online holding that sign and being used as a symbol of stupidity as often as I see him.

Can't run it down at the moment, but there's a Bible verse which, in a certain translation, reads something like, "Because of you, the Name of God is laughed at among unbelievers."

Truly a wince-worthy image for Christians.

163 political lunatic  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:55:53pm

Can we have a Glenn Beck open thread w/ a running diary by Charles every once in a while? He's ranting about Mao and the christmas tree again. I can't help but laugh at him.

164 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:56:20pm

re: #160 ArchangelMichael

From what I've read, and I could be wrong so take this accordingly, they don't think technology is bad specifically, only things which cause you to be overly dependent on others, especially "The English" (non-Amish). If they can't make it themselves, or within their community, it's bad because they become dependent on outsiders. This is why most technology that is post 1820s or so is absent in an Amish community. Heavy industry and anything requiring modern science is beyond the means of such a small insular group.

That actually makes some sense. So power tools would be OK, if they could build their own generators and hook them up, say, to a waterwheel.

I suppose I ought to take the time to learn more. I eat a lot of their chickens.

165 Ojoe  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:56:32pm

re: #123 abolitionist

I note that the Amish and similar economies are probably running merrily along without even a hiccough, during this depression, er recession.

166 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:56:39pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel

What's with these fat, mcmansion-dwelling, money-grubbing hippie-haters growing beards? Is it supposed to be some kind ofBoer commando look? Old west posse maybe? Confederate general?

You've never heard of 'Beardos'?


They're generally conservative, fat, in their 40s, often work in IT... Have these awful chinbeards, either collect or claim to collect huge numbers of guns.

And they always wear beards and hats.

167 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:57:04pm
168 albusteve  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:57:05pm

re: #160 ArchangelMichael

From what I've read, and I could be wrong so take this accordingly, they don't think technology is bad specifically, only things which cause you to be overly dependent on others, especially "The English" (non-Amish). If they can't make it themselves, or within their community, it's bad because they become dependent on outsiders. This is why most technology that is post 1820s or so is absent in an Amish community. Heavy industry and anything requiring modern science is beyond the means of such a small insular group.

they sure love Cedar Point Amusement Park on Lake Erie

169 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:57:52pm

re: #160 ArchangelMichael

From what I've read, and I could be wrong so take this accordingly, they don't think technology is bad specifically, only things which cause you to be overly dependent on others, especially "The English" (non-Amish). If they can't make it themselves, or within their community, it's bad because they become dependent on outsiders. This is why most technology that is post 1820s or so is absent in an Amish community. Heavy industry and anything requiring modern science is beyond the means of such a small insular group.

Not quite. They are very ingenious in getting around the "no electricity" rule.

170 recusancy  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:58:29pm

re: #163 political lunatic

Can we have a Glenn Beck open thread w/ a running diary by Charles every once in a while? He's ranting about Mao and the christmas tree again. I can't help but laugh at him.

I'm watching it. I've noticed there's almost no national companies advertising other then Murdoch companies like Dish Network and Wallstreet Journal and Fox promos.

171 metrolibertarian  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:58:34pm

re: #160 ArchangelMichael

From what I've read, and I could be wrong so take this accordingly, they don't think technology is bad specifically, only things which cause you to be overly dependent on others, especially "The English" (non-Amish). If they can't make it themselves, or within their community, it's bad because they become dependent on outsiders. This is why most technology that is post 1820s or so is absent in an Amish community. Heavy industry and anything requiring modern science is beyond the means of such a small insular group.

it's actually about the sin of pride. they feel that modern technology leads individuals to lord over others the fact they have the newest shit on the block.

172 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:58:54pm

re: #160 ArchangelMichael

There was a great '50s sci-fi story in which a distant, isolated planet needed colonization. It was harsh and would not be revisited soon. The colonists had to be totally self-reliant, so the Terran transport dropped its ramp and a string of Amish wagons rolled out.

173 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:59:20pm

re: #167 Vambo

No worries on responding. The Justifier of the Sign has been deleted from the thread.

174 firepilot  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:59:28pm
it's bad because they become dependent on outsiders. This is why most technology that is post 1820s or so is absent in an Amish community. Heavy industry and anything requiring modern science is beyond the means of such a small insular group.

Its actually even more complicated that that. Many Amish have jobs that involve using power tools, and they can be perfectly happy to accept a ride in a car.

And then there is Rumspringa, when many young Amish are allowed 2 years to run around and enjoy everything the outside world has to offer, including electronics, alcohol, drugs, sex, etc. Afterwarfds, they are expected to choose to be a faithful member of the Amish or not to be.

Most choose stay with Amish

175 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:59:31pm

re: #168 albusteve

they sure love Cedar Point Amusement Park on Lake Erie

If you've ever been behind the scenes at Cedar Point, you realize that most of their technology dates from before the 1820s.

176 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 2:59:41pm

re: #170 recusancy

I'm watching it. I've noticed there's almost no national companies advertising other then Murdoch companies like Dish Network and Wallstreet Journal and Fox promos.

What, no Goldline?

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:00:06pm

I don't know if someone has said this already, but I do wonder if he's conflated the 'correct' spelling, and the popularized one with no 'r' on the end of it.

178 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:00:35pm

re: #174 firepilot

Its actually even more complicated that that. Many Amish have jobs that involve using power tools, and they can be perfectly happy to accept a ride in a car.

And then there is Rumspringa, when many young Amish are allowed 2 years to run around and enjoy everything the outside world has to offer, including electronics, alcohol, drugs, sex, etc. Afterwarfds, they are expected to choose to be a faithful member of the Amish or not to be.

Most choose stay with Amish

Sometimes they take up professional bowling during that period.

179 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:00:37pm

re: #175 SixDegrees

Scary!

180 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:00:58pm

Just a suggestion:

if you want to discuss when or if it's acceptable to use the word in the sign, then you probably need to do it somewhere else besides here since posts containing that word even with asterisks or abbreviations appear to be deleted.

181 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:01:47pm
182 Aye Pod  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:01:50pm

re: #169 The Sanity Inspector

Not quite. They are very ingenious in getting around the "no electricity" rule.

They appear to have a website?

[Link: www.amish.com...]

183 Digital Display  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:02:02pm

re: #165 Ojoe

I note that the Amish and similar economies are probably running merrily along without even a hiccough, during this depression, er recession.

No.. Yesterday I went out to a Colts party in the Country to this bitching house.. ( I mean bitching..I could live the rest of my life in the basement )
He bought all new kitchen woodwork stuff and said the Amish are hurting so bad he saved thousands of dollars in the upgrade..
(OK I could live in his kitchen also )
People are hurting in the Amish world also

184 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:02:07pm

re: #179 windsagio

Scary!

Windsagio... would you stop up dinging me... you're gonna make me look bad.

185 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:03:03pm

re: #179 windsagio

Scary!

A friend of mine worked there one summer, and stayed in the employee "housing." He compared it - unfavorably - with Dachau. He also swore he would never ride any of the attractions there, or eat anything that wasn't factory sealed.

186 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:03:09pm

re: #166 windsagio

You've never heard of 'Beardos'?

They're generally conservative, fat, in their 40s, often work in IT... Have these awful chinbeards, either collect or claim to collect huge numbers of guns.

And they always wear beards and hats.

Hey, I'm a little fat, work in IT, and don't have a beard! Actually, funny story about that...at my first IT job a dozen years or so ago I was at a conference, and almost every guy in my department had a goatee. This gal asked why I didn't have one, and I said (without thinking, as I was drinking), "I'm not that insecure." She laughed, but everyone else pretty much scowled at me.

187 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:03:30pm

re: #181 nonic

How about this? It shows particularly bad judgement. Especially in a southerner or a conservative. It might not be fair, but even with these potential justificaitons, you're GONNA look like a racist dick.


/and thats going from the assumption he's not just a racist dick anyways, which he probalby is.

188 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:03:39pm
189 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:04:03pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

There was a great '50s sci-fi story in which a distant, isolated planet needed colonization. It was harsh and would not be revisited soon. The colonists had to be totally self-reliant, so the Terran transport dropped its ramp and a string of Amish wagons rolled out.

Heinleins "Tunnels in the Sky" was similar. About training for offworld colonization. Certain team members relied on the latest high tech and were killed off when it broke or didn't work properly. Those who stuck with the basic primitive survival gear lived along enough to get rescued.

190 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:04:24pm

re: #188 Obdicut

Whoops, sorry, Mandy, didn't mean to lump you in there. And it appears what I responded to has been deleted, so apologies to you as well, Charles.

191 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:04:25pm

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

(lol you asked for that one >>)

192 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:04:46pm
193 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:04:57pm

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

Sometimes they take up professional bowling during that period.

Assuming they dont get munsoned somewhere along the way.

194 political lunatic  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:04:59pm

Anyone notice something's covered up on the sign? $20 says that the correct spelling of said derogatory word is covered with the incorrect spelling written on toilet paper in the hopes that nobody would notice. Wow, what a moran.

195 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:05:03pm

re: #182 Jimmah

They appear to have a website?

[Link: www.amish.com...]

"Amish" is like "Jewish". They have a range from Reform-ish to Haredi-ish.

196 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:05:26pm

re: #186 darthstar

so you know the type tho'! They also tend to be into the Civil War and WW2, and be hawkish on ANY war, no matter what.

197 Vambo  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:07:11pm

I believe that the word itself, all by itself, just standing alone, is not "racist."

no, a word cannot be racist. well done.

context is important, I agree. So when I see a gang of tailgating white trash with guns and Confederate flag apparel, and the word is being thrown around, I have a pretty good idea of what's up.

198 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:08:08pm

re: #194 political lunatic

Anyone notice something's covered up on the sign? $20 says that the correct spelling of said derogatory word is covered with the incorrect spelling written on toilet paper in the hopes that nobody would notice. Wow, what a moran.

My thought was that it's the more logical conclusion of the phrase: "Congress = Slave Owner; Taxpayer = Slave"

And once the word "slave" was rattling around behind those beady little eyes, it was just a half-step from there to where he wound up. He probably sees it as an "improvement."

199 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:08:08pm

re: #191 windsagio

And by the way, I saw that snide-assed comment above about IT people... well, take a freakin' look at my avatar... you're looking at a IT person of 30 years (well, currently moving and selling furniture). Looks slim and sleek and meek to me.

200 albusteve  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:08:28pm

re: #185 SixDegrees

A friend of mine worked there one summer, and stayed in the employee "housing." He compared it - unfavorably - with Dachau. He also swore he would never ride any of the attractions there, or eat anything that wasn't factory sealed.

it's totally about the coasters...everything else is third rate imo

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:08:58pm

re: #117 SixDegrees

And the KJV is acceptable because...?

Although I can see how more recent Biblical scholarship might make certain evangelicals uncomfortable.

I'm not sure what their love for the KJV is based on, theologically. Literarily speaking, it's a swooningly gorgeous translation.

The Amish, BTW, don't have a theological problem with technology per se, they just don't see it as compatible with the kind of life they see as being most desirable from a religious perspective.

202 simoom  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:09:22pm

[Link: www.theatlanticwire.com...]re: #108 Summer

Hi everyone! Sarah here!

Oh, hi there Sarah!

I enjoyed your interview with O'Reilly -- I watched the rebroadcast the other day. You really are just like Evita!

O'REILLY: You're a populist.

PALIN: A populist, yes.

O'REILLY: Do you know what they're calling you now?

PALIN: No.

O'REILLY: Evita.

PALIN: Well.

O'REILLY: Eva Peron.

PALIN: Uh-huh.

O'REILLY: That's who they're calling you now.

Also, good luck running for President, you've totally got it in the bag.

O'REILLY: Do you believe that you are smart enough, incisive enough, intellectual enough to handle the most powerful job in the world?

PALIN: I believe that I am because I have common sense. And I have, I believe, the values that are reflective of so many other American values. And I believe that what Americans are seeking is not the elitism, the kind of a spinelessness that perhaps is made up for that with some kind of elite Ivy League education and a fact resume that's based on anything but hard work and private sector, free enterprise principles. Americans could be seeking something like that in positive change in their leadership. I'm not saying that has to be me.

203 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:09:48pm

re: #199 Walter L. Newton

wow you're old! (I Kid, I kid sorry!)

so that means you don't fit the stereotype. Not like I'm saying thay're ALL like that >> But if you worked in the field, you ahve to have known some. They also like to wear alot of black.

204 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:10:18pm

re: #185 SixDegrees

A friend of mine worked there one summer, and stayed in the employee "housing." He compared it - unfavorably - with Dachau. He also swore he would never ride any of the attractions there, or eat anything that wasn't factory sealed.

What's the problem? I worked all over the country back in the late 60's at amusement sites... the condition of the rides are all part of the charm... next you'll tell me you are concerned with safety.

205 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:10:19pm

re: #145 darthstar

I consider it rent for living in this beautiful country...I don't mind paying my fair share.

Oliver Wendell Holmes approves.

206 vxbush  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:10:19pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not sure what their love for the KJV is based on, theologically. Literarily speaking, it's a swooningly gorgeous translation.

The Amish, BTW, don't have a theological problem with technology per se, they just don't see it as compatible with the kind of life they see as being most desirable from a religious perspective.

I cannot stand the KJV as it doesn't have the better scholarship, being written before some manuscripts were found.

Evening, y'all. Stuck late at work because of someone else's incompetence. Grrrrrrr.

207 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:10:36pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

its acceptable because its the original!!

//


(no seriously, it sounds 'old-timey' so it must be right, also its what most of them grew up with. Not talkin' about the deepest thinkers here)

208 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:10:51pm

re: #202 simoom

O'REILLY: Do you know what they're calling you now?

PALIN: No.

O'REILLY: Evita.

PALIN: Well.

O'REILLY: Eva Peron.

PALIN: Uh-huh.

Sarah probably thought she was being compared to a bottle of water.

209 Vambo  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:11:05pm

re: #202 simoom

[Link: www.theatlanticwire.com...]

LOL Sarahs!! UR reely just like Madona. i had lucky star as my ringtone lol.

210 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:11:28pm

re: #202 simoom

Seems like Sarah did not know who Eva Peron was when O'Reilly referred to her.

211 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:11:29pm

re: #182 Jimmah

They appear to have a website?

[Link: www.amish.com...]

Looks like one of those spam, "what you need, when you need it" sites.

212 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:11:37pm

re: #203 windsagio

wow you're old! (I Kid, I kid sorry!)

so that means you don't fit the stereotype. Not like I'm saying thay're ALL like that >> But if you worked in the field, you ahve to have known some. They also like to wear alot of black.

You know how old I am... 57 Xmas eve... and no, I never saw anyone who fits your description... but then again, I mainly worked for the DOE, law firms and medical software firms...

213 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:11:47pm

re: #208 darthstar

Sarah probably thought she was being compared to a bottle of water.

I was thinking the Madonna movie but what ever...

214 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:11:57pm

re: #206 vxbush

I'm with SFZ on it. I prefer it because of the use of language, which is stunning. 'Scholarship' in terms of the bible is a troubling issue anyways, better to stay away from that ;)

215 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:12:14pm

re: #204 Walter L. Newton

What's the problem? I worked all over the country back in the late 60's at amusement sites... the condition of the rides are all part of the charm... next you'll tell me you are concerned with safety.

I suppose you're right. I mean, if you can't trust a carny, who can you trust?

216 nonic  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:13:04pm

Charles, a dictionary entry?

217 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:13:43pm

re: #166 windsagio

In other news - they like porno and books about war.

218 Digital Display  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:13:56pm

re: #203 windsagio

wow you're old! (I Kid, I kid sorry!)

so that means you don't fit the stereotype. Not like I'm saying thay're ALL like that >> But if you worked in the field, you ahve to have known some. They also like to wear alot of black.

LOL I'm a System Admin. I have been known to wear a black on black striped shirt with black jeans to work..
Take that back about wearing black!

219 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:14:04pm

re: #215 SixDegrees

I suppose you're right. I mean, if you can't trust a carny, who can you trust?

In it, with it, and of it.

220 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:14:07pm

re: #215 SixDegrees

I suppose you're right. I mean, if you can't trust a carny, who can you trust?

Can't trust a carny. Large hands and smell like cabbage.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:14:18pm

re: #182 Jimmah

They appear to have a website?

[Link: www.amish.com...]

I was doing some research on the Amish some time ago, and discovered that they also have groupies. There seems to be a worrisome number of young women who dream of becoming Amish, in a sort of self-absorbed, dress-up-like-Little-House-On-The-Prairie way.

The best response I saw to one of them was from an ex-Amish man who gently pointed out that moving in among complete strangers is very hard, and that if you want to live a simple Godly life, you can always do that in your own community.

I don't think she was listening.

222 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:14:38pm

re: #215 SixDegrees

I suppose you're right. I mean, if you can't trust a carny, who can you trust?

Hey, now you have the idea... you want I give you a few free throws? Yes, I worked two summers with Amusements of America, a carnival unit that use to work the east coast (use to, maybe they still are), and I worked at Casino Pier for two summers at Seaside Heights.

And in the 70's, I produced "up front" grandstand magic shows for state fairs and theme parks.

I've done my turn with outdoor amusements.

223 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:15:12pm

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can't trust a carny. Large hands and smell like cabbage.

/but they get re-elected over & over...

224 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:15:23pm

re: #214 windsagio

per the bible:

funny comic

225 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:15:44pm

re: #218 HoosierHoops

I'm killing my presentatoin, I should have Matt do it, he's better

226 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:16:23pm

re: #225 windsagio

Err *presentation* also, you don't know who Matt is. lol sorry >>

227 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:16:54pm

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can't trust a carny. Large hands and smell like cabbage.

I take offense at that. I was a carney for 4 summers and I always managed to shower at least once a month and I never let my pet german shepherd in the sleeping bag with me in the back of the dark green Malibu station wagon I had. Cleanliness is next to carniness.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:17:02pm

re: #206 vxbush

I cannot stand the KJV as it doesn't have the better scholarship, being written before some manuscripts were found.

Evening, y'all. Stuck late at work because of someone else's incompetence. Grrr.

The scholarship is limited by what was available to the translators, sure, but in terms of the English, it's irreplaceable.

229 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:17:10pm

Only Amish guy I ever knew was in the Marines, and yes, we gave him hell over it, but then again, he was also one of the most foul mouthed sarcastic bastards I ever knew, and coming from me, thats saying something.

230 gamark  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:17:15pm

re: #92 Linden Arden

Not all conservatives are Originalists or Contructionists.

The purpose of such a view is to ignore or negate 200+ years of Stare decisis, or case law.

What a preposterous thing to say. Do you actually believe that those who believe the US Constititution means what it says are being dishonest and just want to overturn the bedrock of stare decisis? That is pretty warped thinking.

BTW, Plessy v. Ferguson and Brown v. Board of Educ. of Topeka are two well known instances where the court ignored/overruled stare decisis. Those conservative bastards!

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:17:48pm

re: #207 windsagio

its acceptable because its the original!!

//


(no seriously, it sounds 'old-timey' so it must be right, also its what most of them grew up with. Not talkin' about the deepest thinkers here)

I personally favor use of the KJV in Protestant churches, as my experience as an English teacher has been that it helps enormously with Shakespeare.

232 blueheron  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:17:55pm

He had just taken it awat from someone and was going to dispose of it..........................Right? Right? No?

233 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:18:15pm

re: #210 Stanley Sea

Seems like Sarah did not know who Eva Peron was when O'Reilly referred to her.

Oh, come on. She must have seen Madonna in the musical.

234 vxbush  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:18:18pm

re: #214 windsagio

I'm with SFZ on it. I prefer it because of the use of language, which is stunning. 'Scholarship' in terms of the bible is a troubling issue anyways, better to stay away from that ;)

Well, there is scholarship, and then there is scholarship. I'm not a big fan of the Jesus Seminars, although I can appreciate what they are trying to do.

235 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:18:28pm

re: #223 brookly red

/but they get re-elected over & over...

How about dropping the carney bashing?

236 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19:05pm

re: #234 vxbush

Well, there is scholarship, and then there is scholarship. I'm not a big fan of the Jesus Seminars, although I can appreciate what they are trying to do.

What are they trying to do?

237 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19:06pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

oh sure, but saying its the only inspired Word of God (as compared to say NIV) is just retarded.

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:19:40pm

re: #229 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Only Amish guy I ever knew was in the Marines, and yes, we gave him hell over it, but then again, he was also one of the most foul mouthed sarcastic bastards I ever knew, and coming from me, thats saying something.

Amish in the Marines? I assume he'd left the community?

239 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:20:14pm

re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, come on. She must have seen Madonna in the musical.

But that was a Madonna movie! Madonna's had many incarnations in her life.

240 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:20:34pm

re: #235 Walter L. Newton

How about dropping the carney bashing?

OK, comparing them to congress was a low blow. I retract.

241 Digital Display  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:20:56pm

re: #225 windsagio

I'm killing my presentatoin, I should have Matt do it, he's better

Sometimes you just have to sit down your IT Boss after a long vacation..
And explain to him that he should really shave the gray beard...
*You think it looks gray*
* No, I think if you are sitting with a police sketch artist and ask for more gray in the beard..It's not going to work out well*
*Does it look like I went somewhere exotic?*
*well..yes*
*perfect*

242 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:21:08pm

re: #237 windsagio

oh sure, but saying its the only inspired Word of God (as compared to say NIV) is just retarded.

Saying any of the translations, or any of the text are the inspired word of any deity is absurd.

243 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:21:42pm

re: #222 Walter L. Newton

Hey, now you have the idea... you want I give you a few free throws? Yes, I worked two summers with Amusements of America, a carnival unit that use to work the east coast (use to, maybe they still are), and I worked at Casino Pier for two summers at Seaside Heights.

And in the 70's, I produced "up front" grandstand magic shows for state fairs and theme parks.

I've done my turn with outdoor amusements.

One of my fondest memories of the Michigan State Fair - the oldest such fair in the country, closed this year by our idiot governor - is of one of those giant, inflatable slide rides, with the operator perched at the top of the slide, covered head to toe in self-inflicted tattoos, drunk out of his mind, screaming profanities at the parents with small children gawking up at him from the midway below, punctuating his remarks by leaning over and puking down the ramp from time to time.

That, and one of my kids getting totally cleaned out of a month's worth of allowance in under three minutes at one of the games.

Good times. My wife doesn't like to go anymore.

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:21:43pm

re: #237 windsagio

oh sure, but saying its the only inspired Word of God (as compared to say NIV) is just retarded.

That's absolutely ridiculous, and comes out of a deep fear of Biblical scholarship.

245 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:21:53pm

re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, come on. She must have seen Madonna in the musical.

/"I haven't been to sea for many years but they still call ma Admiral" was by far the best line...

246 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:21:58pm

re: #195 Decatur Deb

"Amish" is like "Jewish". They have a range from Reform-ish to Haredi-ish.

The Lubavitcher sect, when they first went online years ago, used to have a frontpage disclaimer asking people not to visit their website on the Sabbath. I always smiled at that merging of tradition and innovation.

247 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:22:36pm

re: #238 SanFranciscoZionist

Amish in the Marines? I assume he'd left the community?

I've run into a few fallen-away overseas. They formed an instantaneous brotherhood.

248 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:23:34pm

re: #238 SanFranciscoZionist

Amish in the Marines? I assume he'd left the community?

Yup. He left home and enlisted as soon as he hit 18.

249 vxbush  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:23:56pm

re: #236 Walter L. Newton

What are they trying to do?

I would reply, but work is ready for the next step--if I can get a chance to reply later, I will.....

250 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:25:52pm

re: #246 The Sanity Inspector

The Lubavitcher sect, when they first went online years ago, used to have a frontpage disclaimer asking people not to visit their website on the Sabbath. I always smiled at that merging of tradition and innovation.

One of their members is the inventor of the increasingly popular Car Menorah.

251 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:25:54pm

Is Weigel buddies with RS McCain?

@rsmccain Your quest to get re-tweeted by @Alyssa_Milano is the best non-porn thing about the internet. 9:58 AM Dec 31st, 2009 from TweetDeck in reply to rsmccain

* Reply
* Retweet

daveweigel

And a series of photos, one captioned

Philip Klein of the American Spectator signifies his membership in the Compton Crips. Weigel kept looking ever more festive as the night wore on. Balko was thinking of joining the Bloods.

in a series of photos taken by McCain and posted at his blog, from a Christmas party thrown by these folks. Weigel and McCain don't appear in a photo together, but they were at the same party. NTTAWWT.

252 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:25:58pm

re: #246 The Sanity Inspector

The Lubavitcher sect, when they first went online years ago, used to have a frontpage disclaimer asking people not to visit their website on the Sabbath. I always smiled at that merging of tradition and innovation.

Lubavitchers love technology. The more gadgets the merrier. For a period of time, they had people running around with pagers that would go off if the Rebbe proclaimed himself Moshiach, so everyone could get organized as quickly as possible. They like lights on timers, dishwashers that self-kasher, GPS doodads that find Jerusalem for you...

It's sometimes assumed that they're like the Amish because they dress similarly, but the passion for electronica is decidedly non-Amish. They just don't like TV. Or movies.

253 SteveC  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:26:42pm

re: #1 iceweasel

Sigh. "Get a brain, morans."

First thought that popped into my head, Ice!

+1

254 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:28:23pm

Shooter IDd:

Johnny Lee Wicks, a 66-year-old retiree disgruntled over cuts in his Social Security benefits.

255 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:28:41pm

Apple Tablet to Ship in March for Around $1000

Let me know when it costs less than a laptop.

256 SteveC  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:28:54pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

It's sometimes assumed that they're like the Amish because they dress similarly, but the passion for electronica is decidedly non-Amish. They just don't like TV. Or movies.

*Picks up remote*

*Click*

*Click*

*Click*

*Click*

*Throws TV through window*

I understand!

257 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:29:06pm

re: #254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shooter IDd:

Johnny Lee Wicks, a 66-year-old retiree disgruntled over cuts in his Social Security benefits.

Oh my God.

258 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:29:14pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not sure what their love for the KJV is based on, theologically. Literarily speaking, it's a swooningly gorgeous translation.

The Amish, BTW, don't have a theological problem with technology per se, they just don't see it as compatible with the kind of life they see as being most desirable from a religious perspective.

Ever hear of this remarkable coincidence, involving the KJV Bible and William Shakespeare?

259 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:29:31pm

re: #255 JasonA

WindUpBird got his windows tablet for like $300. It was old, of course, but still...

260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:29:37pm

Hey al!

How was everyone's MonDAY?

261 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:29:39pm

re: #254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shooter IDd:

Johnny Lee Wicks, a 66-year-old retiree disgruntled over cuts in his Social Security benefits.

told you he was disgruntled...

262 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:29:42pm

re: #254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

link didn't post :P

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

263 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:30:23pm

re: #243 SixDegrees

One of my fondest memories of the Michigan State Fair - the oldest such fair in the country, closed this year by our idiot governor - is of one of those giant, inflatable slide rides, with the operator perched at the top of the slide, covered head to toe in self-inflicted tattoos, drunk out of his mind, screaming profanities at the parents with small children gawking up at him from the midway below, punctuating his remarks by leaning over and puking down the ramp from time to time.

That, and one of my kids getting totally cleaned out of a month's worth of allowance in under three minutes at one of the games.

Good times. My wife doesn't like to go anymore.

Will it help if I say that's part of the charm?

I understand that there has (and probably always will be) problems in the business. I also know "show" (that's the word they use for a carnival midway) that try really hard to present and put forward a good image, and at the same time giving the patrons a little of that "gyp" that you expect.

It's an interesting balancing act between show business, a little con and reasonable business practices... sometimes that looses it's balance.

On the whole, the carnival business has cleaned up a lot in the last 40 years. I can attest to that. But you still can find trouble, especially with the small shows and the independent operators.

Many shows are really large companies and all the attractions are owned by the company.

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:30:31pm

re: #258 The Sanity Inspector

Ever hear of this remarkable coincidence, involving the KJV Bible and William Shakespeare?

Oy.

265 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:30:39pm

re: #254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shooter IDd:

Johnny Lee Wicks, a 66-year-old retiree disgruntled over cuts in his Social Security benefits.

Uh - what cuts? Recipients certainly didn't get much of an inflation adjustment the last year or to - because inflation has been non-existent during that time. But there haven't been any reductions that I've heard of.

Oh, well. He'll soon be enjoying maximum Federal benefits.

266 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:30:50pm

re: #254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shooter IDd:

Johnny Lee Wicks, a 66-year-old retiree disgruntled over cuts in his Social Security benefits.

Actual cuts or perceived future cuts in benefits? I don't recall hearing about any cuts to SS in recent months.

267 Diego  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:31:11pm

I once wondered, here, what, if anything, would be done about a teabagger showing up with a sigh reading 'Why is there a n***** in my White House?!' and I was mocked, scorned, derailed and down ticked to no end. It is sad to see that my thoughts were dead on, but they were.

Such a pathetic place the Conservatives/Republicans have found themselves in.

268 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:31:27pm

re: #265 SixDegrees

He's dead, I believe.

269 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:31:37pm

re: #265 SixDegrees

makes ya wonder where he was getting his news >

270 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:32:15pm

re: #266 darthstar

Actual cuts or perceived future cuts in benefits? I don't recall hearing about any cuts to SS in recent months.

"Wicks was a recent retiree who was suing the U.S. government because his Social Security benefits were apparently denied or reduced, a law enforcement official said. He was living in a Las Vegas-area retirement home."

271 Digital Display  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:32:17pm

re: #266 darthstar

Actual cuts or perceived future cuts in benefits? I don't recall hearing about any cuts to SS in recent months.

My dad is on SS and retirement...He didn't get a cut.. No raise this year...But no cuts

272 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:33:01pm

re: #271 HoosierHoops

My dad is on SS and retirement...He didn't get a cut.. No raise this year...But no cuts

Sounds like this guy was expecting more and didn't get it.

273 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:33:13pm

re: #269 windsagio

makes ya wonder where he was getting his news >

Well, not to state the obvious, but Glenn Beck comes to mind, as does Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Greta "I just bit into a turd" van Susteren, etc.

274 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:33:15pm

re: #271 HoosierHoops

My dad is on SS and retirement...He didn't get a cut.. No raise this year...But no cuts

Perhaps his particular benefits were re-adjusted --some dispute over his payments. He figured one amount, SSI figured another.

275 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:33:17pm

re: #254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shooter IDd:

Johnny Lee Wicks, a 66-year-old retiree disgruntled over cuts in his Social Security benefits.

Best not piss off the old folks. Boy talking about SS being the third rail!

276 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:33:22pm

re: #267 Diego

I once wondered, here, what, if anything, would be done about a teabagger showing up with a sigh reading 'Why is there a n***** in my White House?!' and I was mocked, scorned, derailed and down ticked to no end. It is sad to see that my thoughts were dead on, but they were.

Such a pathetic place the Conservatives/Republicans have found themselves in.

The sign said that? Are you looking at the same sign as I am.

277 AK-47%  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:33:46pm

As I understand it, the Amish simply see our purpose in life in loving and caring for each other. Anything that assists in that end is fine, but anything that gets in the way or distracts us from that purpose is to be rejected.

And it begins to make sense when you see families (and whole societies) whose desire to own material things destroys their ability to love and care for each other.

I do not go as far as rejecting technology, but before I make any major purchase, I ask myself it is something that my family really neend and if it is going to contribute to our family growing together in love.

278 SteveC  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:33:53pm

re: #266 darthstar

Actual cuts or perceived future cuts in benefits? I don't recall hearing about any cuts to SS in recent months.

I don't think there have been any cuts, but there isn't a COLA this year. $0.00 raise across the board.

279 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:34:05pm

re: #254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Shooter IDd:

Johnny Lee Wicks, a 66-year-old retiree disgruntled over cuts in his Social Security benefits.

Member of the NRA faction of the AARP? (Motto: You Can Always Take One With You)

/

280 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:34:20pm

re: #268 darthstar

He's dead, I believe.

My bad. I hadn't heard.

281 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:34:23pm

re: #271 HoosierHoops

None of the clients I know of got benefit cuts either. Sounds like it might have been more of a personal/weird issue.

282 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:34:32pm

re: #266 darthstar

Actual cuts or perceived future cuts in benefits? I don't recall hearing about any cuts to SS in recent months.

No cuts just no COLA.

283 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:34:53pm

re: #275 Blueheron

Best not piss off the old folks. Boy talking about SS being the third rail!

HAHA! I fooled them. I already resigned myself to SS being gone by the time I'm ready to collect.

wait a sec...

284 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:35:50pm

re: #270 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Strikes me as odd that he was already in a retirement home at 66. Those things are freakin' expensive!

(not that its relevant to anything, but it *is* interesting)

285 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:35:56pm

re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist

Lubavitchers love technology. The more gadgets the merrier. For a period of time, they had people running around with pagers that would go off if the Rebbe proclaimed himself Moshiach, so everyone could get organized as quickly as possible. They like lights on timers, dishwashers that self-kasher, GPS doodads that find Jerusalem for you...

It's sometimes assumed that they're like the Amish because they dress similarly, but the passion for electronica is decidedly non-Amish. They just don't like TV. Or movies.

Lubavitchers rock!

Youtube Video
286 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:35:58pm

re: #251 wrenchwench

Is Weigel buddies with RS McCain?
.

There's an LGF post here about Weigel doing an interview with McCain and basically letting him shoot himself in the foot.

Weigel says in it that he knows McCain from years of covering the conservative movement.

287 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:36:00pm

Well, I can't stay
Have a great evening Lizards!

288 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:37:44pm

re: #283 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

HAHA! I fooled them. I already resigned myself to SS being gone by the time I'm ready to collect.

wait a sec...

I figured that's what they were saying when they rolled out the Roth...

289 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:37:48pm

re: #278 SteveC

I'm not sure it was that simple. He had some kind of suit against the SSA and it was thrown out of court

290 SteveC  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:38:22pm

re: #274 ggt

Perhaps his particular benefits were re-adjusted --some dispute over his payments. He figured one amount, SSI figured another.

That might be it. I've heard several people say the $$$ from Social Security/Disability is great, it's wonderful, etc. but what really helps is Medicare Part D for their medication and the insurance provided by Medicaid/Medicare.

291 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:39:01pm

in response to something I said above, I asked an expert about my pet stereotype (forgive the self-indulgence):

A beardo is a guy who is interested in history and war, but only in what the muzzle (velocities) of the most powerful rifles used were, with little interest in why people were fighting and dying. A beardo looks at a problem and sees a solution, only if that solution involves badass hardware. A beardo drifts off to sleep with visions of Red Dawn floating in his head, carefully scrutinizing the small-unit tactics of The Wolverines as he dreams of shooting rioters in New Orleans as Ayn Rand "watches his six".

The beardo rides a Honda Goldwing or a Harley, because these things are large and badass. A beardo wears a black fedora. A beardo wears his chin whiskers long because that's the manly thing to do, and if he is anything (other than blubbery), he is manly, and he wants you to know that. The beardo eats steak, and wants you to know that he eats steak, and for your information, he likes it rare.

I would add 'any kind of hat', but he's the expert >

292 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:39:44pm

re: #284 windsagio

Strikes me as odd that he was already in a retirement home at 66. Those things are freakin' expensive!

(not that its relevant to anything, but it *is* interesting)

best to buy long term care insurance before you turn fifty if you can...

293 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:40:07pm

re: #292 brookly red

point taken~

294 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:41:33pm

re: #286 iceweasel

There's an LGF post here about Weigel doing an interview with McCain and basically letting him shoot himself in the foot.

Weigel says in it that he knows McCain from years of covering the conservative movement.

Looks like Weigel just threw him a few links to his blog, and gave him an opportunity to repeat his excuses. Did Weigel let him off the hook in that interview? Charles sure had a lot of follow-up questions.

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:44:16pm

There's something up on my roof. It has a rock. Or a big nut. Something. It keeps dropping it. Or possible rolling it.

296 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:44:41pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

*Hope* its a squirrel >>

297 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:45:33pm

AP sources: Las Vegas suspect sued Social Security

The two officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case, say Johnny Lee Wicks is the man who opened fire at a security checkpoint Monday morning and was shot dead in a gunfight with deputy U.S. marshals.

While the investigation is still under way, the officials say the early evidence points to the man's anger over his benefits case as the motive for the shooting.

Court records show Wicks had sued the Social Security Administration in 2008, but the case was thrown out and formally closed in September 2009.

298 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:45:37pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

There's something up on my roof. It has a rock. Or a big nut. Something. It keeps dropping it. Or possible rolling it.

/Beck?

299 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:46:15pm

BBIAB... got to fill the pellet stove and vacuum up the loose pellets on the floor... kids fill the stove, drop pellets all over the place... adults clean them up... what a life...

300 palomino  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:46:16pm

re: #149 MandyManners

Is it really "sticking it to us" to have our rates go back to where they were in the 90's?

301 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:46:20pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

Loose wingnut?

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:46:32pm

re: #296 windsagio

*Hope* its a squirrel >>

Odds are that way. Or a crow.

303 AK-47%  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:46:37pm

re: #297 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

AP sources: Las Vegas suspect sued Social Security


If only they'd kept their government hands off his Social Security...

304 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:47:16pm

re: #294 wrenchwench

Looks like Weigel just threw him a few links to his blog, and gave him an opportunity to repeat his excuses. Did Weigel let him off the hook in that interview? Charles sure had a lot of follow-up questions.

Not in my opinion. If you compare Weigel's coverage of NY-23 to well, anything that McCain has ever written, it's very clear that they're coming from opposite ends of the political spectrum.

I may be biased though, as I'm a big fan of Weigel's and he was, as far as I know, the first person on the left to give Charles credit for calling out the right-wing blogosphere's association with V-B and other fascists. Check this article out.

I've always thought of him as being friendly to Charles, and maintaining a working connection with McCain for purposes of exposing the wingnuts. YMMV.

305 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:48:38pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

I was thinking "Rat".

306 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:49:04pm

re: #291 windsagio

in response to something I said above, I asked an expert about my pet stereotype (forgive the self-indulgence):


I would add 'any kind of hat', but he's the expert >

Can't quite go along with the physical description, coz I can't picture Billy Gibbons as the type of person you're describing.

Youtube Video
307 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:49:20pm

re: #305 windsagio

I was thinking "Rat".

Could be, although I haven't seen any around the building.

308 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:49:21pm

I've been out, but I see one (or more) of the monitor lizards has been cleaning up references to the N word.

This thread wasn't intended to open up the doors to start throwing that word around, so let's please use restraint where that racial slur is concerned, and then comments won't have to be deleted.

(And yes, this sign is a RACIST sign. Please don't try to tell me it isn't. I'm amazed at the kinds of things people will try to excuse.)

309 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:49:26pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

There's something up on my roof. It has a rock. Or a big nut. Something. It keeps dropping it. Or possible rolling it.

We had squirrels in our house once when I was growing up...they stole the marbles off of a Tic-tac-toe game in the living room and used to drop them down the walls trying to crack them...made a hell of a noise. My dad finally killed them all using a large spring-loaded rat-trap baited with peanut-butter.

310 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:49:48pm

Found some details on Wicks lawsuit;

[Link: dockets.justia.com...]

311 Firstinla  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:49:49pm

re: #208 darthstar

Recently read of Sarah Palin's "inpenetrable serenity of ignorance." After he explained to her who Evita Peron was, and where Argentina is, Sarah said she didn't know if that was a continent or not. But, too also that she was certain Evita dressed nicely.

312 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:50:11pm

re: #296 windsagio

*Hope* its a squirrel >>

And not just any squirrel...

313 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:51:08pm

re: #311 Firstinla

Recently read of Sarah Palin's "inpenetrable serenity of ignorance." After he explained to her who Evita Peron was, and where Argentina is, Sarah said she didn't know if that was a continent or not. But, too also that she was certain Evita dressed nicely.

Link?

314 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:51:27pm

re: #306 The Sanity Inspector

hehe he's what they're emulating! Or think they are >>

315 AK-47%  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:51:30pm

It's anything but a racist sign, it stresses the point that black people pay taxes like good citizens!


/

316 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:52:10pm

re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist

There's something up on my roof. It has a rock. Or a big nut. Something. It keeps dropping it. Or possible rolling it.

Years ago, about six raccoon pups (birthed in a hallowed bit of a mango tree) decided it would be great fun to slide down my roof, grab the nearest mango branch, swing to the trunk, run down and then back up the roof to start all over. I heard this bang, bang, bang and the cats were going bonkers till I finally went outside to see the fuss.

Unfortunately it was pre-video, pre-youtube days.

317 vxbush  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:53:27pm

Walter:

My understanding is that the Jesus Seminar tried to identify those words that were actually said by Jesus, looking at gospels and potentially other texts. I would take this to mean that they thought the gospels and other documents had been either tainted via copying or fabricated by the early believers. To me, this minimizes the work of the early monks, copying the texts carefully to minimize errors.

318 SteveC  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:54:41pm

re: #296 windsagio

*Hope* its a squirrel >>

Some chicken! Some neck! - Winston Churchill

319 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:54:54pm

re: #317 vxbush

Walter:

My understanding is that the Jesus Seminar tried to identify those words that were actually said by Jesus, looking at gospels and potentially other texts. I would take this to mean that they thought the gospels and other documents had been either tainted via copying or fabricated by the early believers. To me, this minimizes the work of the early monks, copying the texts carefully to minimize errors.

Leave it to a committee to discover that Jesus was a committee...

320 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:55:23pm

re: #311 Firstinla

Recently read of Sarah Palin's "inpenetrable serenity of ignorance." After he explained to her who Evita Peron was, and where Argentina is, Sarah said she didn't know if that was a continent or not. But, too also that she was certain Evita dressed nicely.

Did she say "continent" or "compliment"?

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:56:54pm

re: #316 marjoriemoon

Years ago, about six raccoon pups (birthed in a hallowed bit of a mango tree) decided it would be great fun to slide down my roof, grab the nearest mango branch, swing to the trunk, run down and then back up the roof to start all over. I heard this bang, bang, bang and the cats were going bonkers till I finally went outside to see the fuss.

Unfortunately it was pre-video, pre-youtube days.

Raccoons know how to party.

322 Firstinla  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 3:57:14pm

re: #313 Walter L. Newton

Sorry, the first part I misquoted: Christoher Hitchens in the London Times: Palin's tour bypassed major cities, keeping critics at bay so that this silly theocratic demagogue from Alaska might continue to find refuge in the "unbreachable serenity of her ignorance." The rest I just made up. The citation is from The Week 12/25/09

323 AK-47%  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:00:46pm

re: #322 Firstinla

Sorry, the first part I misquoted: Christoher Hitchens in the London Times: Palin's tour bypassed major cities, keeping critics at bay so that this silly theocratic demagogue from Alaska might continue to find refuge in the "unbreachable serenity of her ignorance." The rest I just made up. The citation is from The Week 12/25/09


Sound common sense cannot be imparted by any Ivy League education, but a lack of a basic education in international governing cannot be compensated for with horse sense

324 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:01:10pm

re: #307 SanFranciscoZionist

Could be, although I haven't seen any around the building.

the return of dumpster muffin?

325 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:01:17pm

OK ... now I understand why I just had to block some moron for posting a list of bizarre questions in several threads. Jim Hoft is ranting again.

[Link: 74.125.155.132...]

I have no intention of responding to his stupid list of questions, but I have contacted my lawyer about his outrageous libel.

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:02:13pm

re: #324 brookly red

the return of dumpster muffin?

Oh dear Lord, I do hope not. I'm in a sufficiently unhip neighborhood that I wouldn't expect her around here.

327 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:02:20pm

re: #317 vxbush

Walter:

My understanding is that the Jesus Seminar tried to identify those words that were actually said by Jesus, looking at gospels and potentially other texts. I would take this to mean that they thought the gospels and other documents had been either tainted via copying or fabricated by the early believers. To me, this minimizes the work of the early monks, copying the texts carefully to minimize errors.

I know what the Jesus Seminar's purpose was (is?). I was just interested in your understanding of it. There purpose was to textually examine the gospels and decide, through all the tools available to textual critics, which words could be actually attributed to Jesus and which words and phrases were probably simply attributed to Jesus.

This had nothing to do with the monks, or copying or rally anything like that, since the Jesus Seminar dealt with the earliest texts available, and nothing beyond about 300 C.E. They also used gnostic text and partial text when available.

The whole purpose was to try to verify, using multiple sources, which words would have a better chance of being authentic. It certainly was not an iron clad study, and they have been criticized a number of times by other textual critics who found their methods to be heavy handed.

Bottom line, there is no way to assure anyone of the authenticity of barely any of the words of Jesus, since we are not even sure if anyone who wrote anything was even a first hand witness. Most biblical authors were certainly not.

328 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:03:07pm

re: #304 iceweasel

Not in my opinion. If you compare Weigel's coverage of NY-23 to well, anything that McCain has ever written, it's very clear that they're coming from opposite ends of the political spectrum.

I may be biased though, as I'm a big fan of Weigel's and he was, as far as I know, the first person on the left to give Charles credit for calling out the right-wing blogosphere's association with V-B and other fascists. Check this article out.

I've always thought of him as being friendly to Charles, and maintaining a working connection with McCain for purposes of exposing the wingnuts. YMMV.

I think MM does V. That was not a working relationship in the party photos. And those who threw the party are folks more in agreement with McCain than Johnson, it seems clear. The article you linked is fair to Charles, but also throws a lot of links to "Johnson’s former allies". Just another cozy industry, maybe.

329 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:03:25pm

re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist

Okay I just have to ask. Who the heck is dumpster muffin?!

330 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:04:17pm

re: #329 Rightwingconspirator

Okay I just have to ask. Who the heck is dumpster muffin?!

a tree dwelling hippy from berkley...

331 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:05:00pm

re: #327 Walter L. Newton

And excuse me, my spelling and structure in that long comment was horrible.

332 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:05:31pm

re: #325 Charles

I get all my news from Bulgarian websites.

333 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:05:35pm

re: #329 Rightwingconspirator

Okay I just have to ask. Who the heck is dumpster muffin?!

Berkeley tree sitter.

334 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:07:11pm

re: #333 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks. I do recall hearing about her, but not by name. My imagination was running away with that one.

335 Firstinla  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:08:37pm

Dumpster Muffin descended from the trees. It's the continuation of the history of evolution, Bezerkely-style.

336 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:08:39pm

re: #328 wrenchwench

I think MM does V. That was not a working relationship in the party photos. And those who threw the party are folks more in agreement with McCain than Johnson, it seems clear. The article you linked is fair to Charles, but also throws a lot of links to "Johnson’s former allies". Just another cozy industry, maybe.

The 'cozy industry' of covering rightwing extremists, from two highly dissimiliar ideological perspectives.

337 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:09:40pm

re: #335 Firstinla

Dumpster Muffin descended from the trees. It's the continuation of the history of evolution, Bezerkely-style.

if they get in your attic they are like impossible to remove...

338 vxbush  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:11:00pm

re: #327 Walter L. Newton

I know what the Jesus Seminar's purpose was (is?). I was just interested in your understanding of it. There purpose was to textually examine the gospels and decide, through all the tools available to textual critics, which words could be actually attributed to Jesus and which words and phrases were probably simply attributed to Jesus.

This had nothing to do with the monks, or copying or rally anything like that, since the Jesus Seminar dealt with the earliest texts available, and nothing beyond about 300 C.E. They also used gnostic text and partial text when available.

The whole purpose was to try to verify, using multiple sources, which words would have a better chance of being authentic. It certainly was not an iron clad study, and they have been criticized a number of times by other textual critics who found their methods to be heavy handed.

Bottom line, there is no way to assure anyone of the authenticity of barely any of the words of Jesus, since we are not even sure if anyone who wrote anything was even a first hand witness. Most biblical authors were certainly not.

But I think you're missing my point. They didn't have to just rely on the earliest manuscripts, because I think the monks did an outstanding job of copying the manuscripts. I think some of the later manuscripts could have been safely used.

And I have good faith in Luke's work in investigating the stories, as a historian, to then write them down. So I believe his original letter would have been quite trustworthy, and any problems that have come down since then are probably small errors due to copying--which should be minimized, based on how monks tried to assure accuracy.

339 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:11:09pm

re: #335 Firstinla

Dumpster Muffin descended from the trees. It's the continuation of the history of evolution, Bezerkely-style.

My tolerance for odd Berkeley student groups is going down year by year. I'll probably have turned into Red Foreman by the time I'm forty.

340 captdiggs  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:11:19pm

Always reminds me that the extremes of both sides are crazy.
The left always had their "hate Israel/Jews" contingent at their rallies. Not to mention the "hate America" contingent .
Image: ILNY.jpg

341 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:12:36pm

re: #339 SanFranciscoZionist

My tolerance for odd Berkeley student groups is going down year by year. I'll probably have turned into Red Foreman by the time I'm forty.

Dumb ass./

342 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:12:38pm

re: #289 Mich-again

I'm not sure it was that simple. He had some kind of suit against the SSA and it was thrown out of court

I'm with you. Some of the suits with SS administration run back to strange groups. Not sure if that's the case here. I tried to pull up the case, but it appears to be restricted on the database.

343 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:15:23pm

re: #338 vxbush

But I think you're missing my point. They didn't have to just rely on the earliest manuscripts, because I think the monks did an outstanding job of copying the manuscripts. I think some of the later manuscripts could have been safely used.

And I have good faith in Luke's work in investigating the stories, as a historian, to then write them down. So I believe his original letter would have been quite trustworthy, and any problems that have come down since then are probably small errors due to copying--which should be minimized, based on how monks tried to assure accuracy.

No, we don't have the original anything, not Luke or who ever. We have our fist recorded Christian monk around 251 CE. That's way after the text were written down, rewritten, edited etc.

The Jesus Seminar dealt with early text, as early as possible. Texts that were copied by monks never even came into play.

That's the point I was trying to make. The monks had NOTHING to do with any of the texts the Jesus Seminar examined.

344 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:15:59pm

re: #339 SanFranciscoZionist
California's EPA known as DTSC has an HQ there. I went to them as part of a permit application process. Seeing the city signs about Berkeley being a "nuclear free zone" just cracked me up. DTSC gets to regulate every element except gold and platinum. Everything else has a toxic component or property.

345 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:17:18pm

re: #339 SanFranciscoZionist

My tolerance for odd Berkeley student groups is going down year by year. I'll probably have turned into Red Foreman by the time I'm forty.

there was a young student from berkeley
who lived it a tree like a jerkey
the cops had this hose, the water was cold
& some say that it made her quite perky

346 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:18:12pm

re: #339 SanFranciscoZionist

My tolerance for odd Berkeley student groups is going down year by year. I'll probably have turned into Red Foreman by the time I'm forty.

Eighteen hundred years ago they could have been desert saints.

Image: stsimeon_stylites.jpg

347 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:18:27pm

re: #338 vxbush

But I think you're missing my point. They didn't have to just rely on the earliest manuscripts, because I think the monks did an outstanding job of copying the manuscripts. I think some of the later manuscripts could have been safely used.
[snip]

Of course they had to rely on the earliest manuscripts. If you are going to examine a text, and you want to examine it's authenticity, you would certainly go to the earliest examples of the text that you have.

348 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:18:35pm

re: #336 iceweasel

The 'cozy industry' of covering rightwing extremists, from two highly dissimiliar ideological perspectives.

What I meant by 'cozy industry' was people from America's Future Foundation, and Matthew Vadum, Weekly Standard's Mary Katharine Ham, Garrett Murch, Radley Balko, and McCain and Weigel. (They were all at that party.) The activist/journalist political junkie crowd.

349 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:19:56pm

Here's the docket info, but I can't find the filing:

Wicks v. Social Security Administration
Plaintiff: Johnny Lee Wicks
Defendant: Social Security Administration

Case Number: 2:2008cv00288
Filed: April 2, 2008

Court: Nevada District Court
Office: Las Vegas Office [ Court Info ]
County: Clark
Presiding Judge: Judge Philip M. Pro
Referring Judge: Magistrate Judge George W Foley Jr.

Nature of Suit: Other Statutes - Other Statutory Actions
Cause: 42:206 Social Security Benefits
Jurisdiction: Federal Question
Jury Demanded By: None

350 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:20:35pm

re: #338 vxbush

Try reading up on the Jesus Seminar, it's an interesting group, whether you agree with their conclusions or not...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

351 Bagua  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:20:45pm

It is a racist sign. Full stop.

352 vxbush  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:20:57pm

re: #347 Walter L. Newton

Of course they had to rely on the earliest manuscripts. If you are going to examine a text, and you want to examine it's authenticity, you would certainly go to the earliest examples of the text that you have.

Sigh. My point isn't being made, but then I'm trying to do at least three things at once, and I'm really tired, so forgive me if I decide not to argue the point.

353 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:22:25pm

oops ... the link

[Link: dockets.justia.com...]

354 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:22:48pm

re: #346 Decatur Deb

Eighteen hundred years ago they could have been desert saints.

[Link: solzemli.files.wordpress.com...]

If only they'd go out into the desert...

355 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:22:51pm

re: #329 Rightwingconspirator

Okay I just have to ask. Who the heck is dumpster muffin?!

The hooker that hangs out by the dumpsters.

Evenin

356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:25:13pm

That hat makes him no more a "Man of Faith" than an "I'm Number One" trucker cap makes Will Ferrell #1.

(I wonder who remembers that...)

357 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:25:45pm

re: #352 vxbush

Sigh. My point isn't being made, but then I'm trying to do at least three things at once, and I'm really tired, so forgive me if I decide not to argue the point.

And I'm sorry, I'm not trying to argue, just understand your point.

358 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:25:47pm

re: #348 wrenchwench

What I meant by 'cozy industry' was people from America's Future Foundation, and Matthew Vadum, Weekly Standard's Mary Katharine Ham, Garrett Murch, Radley Balko, and McCain and Weigel. (They were all at that party.) The activist/journalist political junkie crowd.

Weigel writes for the Washington Independent, which is as far removed as possible from the organisations you mention. Not to mention that nothing Weigel has ever written (that I have seen) suggests he has any sort of liking for those views.

If you find anything Weigel has ever written that suggests he shares McCain's views, or a photo of him in a Klan hood, please do let me know. I will be the first to condemn him.

until then, I guess I'm left wondering why you're worried that a lefty journalist who has done great work exposing right wing extremism is somehow secretly...a right wing extremist.
I also wonder why you aren't raising these worries about the Weekly Standard being associated with McCain.

359 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:26:08pm

re: #356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That hat makes him no more a "Man of Faith" than an "I'm Number One" trucker cap makes Will Ferrell #1.

(I wonder who remembers that...)

I do... The Wizard of Oz!

360 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:29:12pm

re: #356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That hat makes him no more a "Man of Faith" than an "I'm Number One" trucker cap makes Will Ferrell #1.

(I wonder who remembers that...)

A few days ago, at rest stop in Florida, I saw a biker who could have been the guy in the photo, except he had all the gear and black helmet with "100% WHITE" printed on the back of it.

I was going to say something, but there wasn't a bunch of big black guys nearby to back me up.

361 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:29:23pm

re: #325 Charles

OK ... now I understand why I just had to block some moron for posting a list of bizarre questions in several threads. Jim Hoft is ranting again.

[Link: 74.125.155.132...]

I have no intention of responding to his stupid list of questions, but I have contacted my lawyer about his outrageous libel.

Maybe we should pose some questions to Jim Hoft about his new anti-Semitic and anti-Israel friend, conspiracy lunatic, Ivan Stamenov.

362 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:29:57pm

re: #356 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That hat makes him no more a "Man of Faith" than an "I'm Number One" trucker cap makes Will Ferrell #1.

(I wonder who remembers that...)

Same with #1 DAD T-shirts sold on Fathers Day,,,

MASS PRODUCED !!!

363 Aye Pod  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:30:10pm

re: #328 wrenchwench

Everything of Weigels that I have seen shows he has nothing but extreme antipathy for McCain and his views. To claim otherwise suggests complete ignorance of his views and writings. Is it somehow problematic for you that he gave McCain enough rope to hang himself? That he linked Geller and Spencer in his sympathetic article about Charles, so people could see for themselves what kind of lunatics they are?

The thing with people like Geller, Spencer, and McCain is that every word they say indicts them. Why do you have a problem with someone exposing them for what they are?

364 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:31:30pm

Found a crazy comment (no surprise) at Dale Robertson's Tea Party site:

I hope I'm not the only one that sees what Bammer & Buddies are up to!

Step 1: Take over Congress
Step 2: Buy up as much of the U.S. Economy as possible.
Step 3: Take over citizen rights in any way possible. I.E. Healthcare & Energy Sources
Step 4: Kick God Out!
Step 5: Begin enacting socialist policies while Destroying the Economy!
Step 6: Cause the citizens to get fed-up & Revolt( by the way I'm so for a tax revolt & maybe TEXAS withdrawal from the Nation)
Step 7: Declare Marshall Law
Step 8: Declare Communist Rule
Step 9: Dominate the United Nations
Step 10: Join The New World Order!

365 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:31:38pm

re: #360 Naso Tang

A few days ago, at rest stop in Florida, I saw a biker who could have been the guy in the photo, except he had all the gear and black helmet with "100% WHITE" printed on the back of it.

I was going to say something, but there wasn't a bunch of big black guys nearby to back me up.

There's never a bunch of big black guys around when you need them...


//This one is too good. I shall add the 'in bed' myself.

366 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:31:38pm

re: #349 Thanos

Here's what the Las Vegas Review Journal has posted:
"In 2008 Wicks filed a federal race discrimination complaint against a regional commissioner with the Social Security Division. Wicks’ complaint stemmed from an encounter he had with the regional commissioner at the social security office after learning his monthly social security payment would be reduced."

[Link: www.lvrj.com...]

367 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:32:20pm

re: #364 Gus 802

Found a crazy comment (no surprise) at Dale Robertson's Tea Party site:

'Bammer'? They're calling 'Bammer' now?

That's weird. That's weirder than 'Shrub'.

368 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:32:35pm

re: #364 Gus 802

Found a crazy comment (no surprise) at Dale Robertson's Tea Party site:

Note the mispelling of martial law.

369 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:33:24pm

re: #368 Gus 802

Note the mispelling of martial law.

Better than Marital Law. That's when the law is whatever your wife says it is.

370 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:34:38pm

Here's the actual case complaint of the Las Vegas shooter-guy

[Link: media.lasvegassun.com...]

371 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:34:43pm

re: #358 iceweasel

Weigel writes for the Washington Independent, which is as far removed as possible from the organisations you mention. Not to mention that nothing Weigel has ever written (that I have seen) suggests he has any sort of liking for those views.

If you find anything Weigel has ever written that suggests he shares McCain's views, or a photo of him in a Klan hood, please do let me know. I will be the first to condemn him.

until then, I guess I'm left wondering why you're worried that a lefty journalist who has done great work exposing right wing extremism is somehow secretly...a right wing extremist.
I also wonder why you aren't raising these worries about the Weekly Standard being associated with McCain.

The tale of 2 Weigels?. The Wrench is talking about the David Weigel who rights for Reason. The Ice is talking about the David Weigel that writes for the Independent. Same guy?

372 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:34:43pm

re: #364 Gus 802

Found a crazy comment (no surprise) at Dale Robertson's Tea Party site:

Marshall Law? Yeah, that Thurgood Marshall law. Obama exposed!!eleventy!

373 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:34:45pm

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

Better than Marital Law. That's when the law is whatever your wife says it is.

My ex-wife use to tell me to do something, and I would ask her "what's the magic word?" and she would answer "Now!"

374 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:35:09pm

re: #371 Jeff In Ohio

The tale of 2 Weigels?. The Wrench is talking about the David Weigel who rights for Reason. The Ice is talking about the David Weigel that writes for the Independent. Same guy?

Yep.

375 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:35:10pm

re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist

Better than Marital Law. That's when the law is whatever your wife says it is.

Yeah, as opposed to marshal law when the streets are roaming with marshals!

376 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:35:30pm

re: #358 iceweasel

Weigel writes for the Washington Independent, which is as far removed as possible from the organisations you mention. Not to mention that nothing Weigel has ever written (that I have seen) suggests he has any sort of liking for those views.

If you find anything Weigel has ever written that suggests he shares McCain's views, or a photo of him in a Klan hood, please do let me know. I will be the first to condemn him.

until then, I guess I'm left wondering why you're worried that a lefty journalist who has done great work exposing right wing extremism is somehow secretly...a right wing extremist.
I also wonder why you aren't raising these worries about the Weekly Standard being associated with McCain.

The Washington Independent may be far removed, but Weigel was in the same room.

I am not suggesting he shares McCain's views. I am suggesting he doesn't mind going to a party thrown by McCain's allies. I am certainly not worried that Weigel is a right wing extremist. I am suggesting he doesn't mind hanging out with them. It would make me uncomfortable. Him, not so much, apparently. He does not need to be like me. I am only making observations about him. Maybe he was following a story.

As for your last question, I guess I've been busy. Should the Weekly Standard be put higher on my list of priorities? :)

377 simoom  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:35:38pm

Here's the LGF mention on Glenn Beck today:

Youtube Video

If you jump to ~2:30 he goes into his recap of how the Cash for Clunkers website can take over your computer ( /// ) and then quotes a few blogs which, I guess, he plans to rebut. LGF is the second blog excerpted.

378 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:36:11pm

re: #372 iceweasel

Marshall Law? Yeah, that Thurgood Marshall law. Obama exposed!!eleventy!

someone owes me a new monitor. This one just got spewed with 7 UP!

379 darthstar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:36:12pm

re: #364 Gus 802

Found a crazy comment (no surprise) at Dale Robertson's Tea Party site:

So we're up to #4 already? Kicking God out is going to be a toughy.../

380 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:36:29pm

Wide-ranging thread tonight, looks like 2010 is getting started. "Nite, All.re: #368 Gus 802

Note the mispelling of martial law.

He meant Peter Marshall law, where we all have to sit in boxes and answer questions.

381 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:36:48pm

re: #373 Walter L. Newton

My ex-wife use to tell me to do something, and I would ask her "what's the magic word?" and she would answer "Now!"

same goes for you

someone owes me a new monitor. This one just got spewed with 7 UP!

382 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:36:53pm

re: #377 simoom

Here's the LGF mention on Glenn Beck today:

[Video]If you jump to ~2:30 he goes into his recap of how the Cash for Clunkers website can take over your computer ( /// ) and then quotes a few blogs which, I guess, he plans to rebut. LGF is the second blog excerpted.

Marshall law!

Oligarhy!

383 RealismRox  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:38:11pm

re: #377 simoom

He also showed a screencap of LGF during his New Year's Eve special. Beck probably thinks that Charles is a Saul Alinsky disciple.

384 oldegeezr  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:38:18pm
Spades of Ace…

and his moron’s have a tutorial on tea bagging…!

Exception…NSFW.

385 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:38:39pm

BTW, have people seen the nice Newton Google artwork today?

386 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:39:07pm

re: #380 Decatur Deb

Wide-ranging thread tonight, looks like 2010 is getting started. "Nite, All.


He meant Peter Marshall law, where we all have to sit in boxes and answer questions.

I play a mean Professor Irwin Corey!!
[Link: www.quotationspage.com...]

387 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:39:56pm

re: #376 wrenchwench

The Washington Independent may be far removed, but Weigel was in the same room.

I am not suggesting he shares McCain's views. I am suggesting he doesn't mind going to a party thrown by McCain's allies. I am certainly not worried that Weigel is a right wing extremist. I am suggesting he doesn't mind hanging out with them. It would make me uncomfortable. Him, not so much, apparently. He does not need to be like me. I am only making observations about him. Maybe he was following a story.

As for your last question, I guess I've been busy. Should the Weekly Standard be put higher on my list of priorities? :)

Well, only in so far as the Weekly Standard is a lot more likely to be sympathetic to RSM, unfortunately.
Seriously, if you do find anything suggesting Weigel has any sympathies with RSM, let us know! I'll keep an eye out too-- it's just that given the coverage of his I've seen, it doesn't seem likely to me.

388 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:40:12pm

Glenn Beck is a raving freakazoid nut sandwich.

Any questions?

389 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:40:26pm

re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist

I was wondering why the hell there were cherries on the screen. Apples! Thanks.

390 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:40:27pm

re: #374 iceweasel

Yep.

Interesting. I wonder why his bio there doesn't mention the Independent.

391 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:40:49pm

re: #371 Jeff In Ohio

The tale of 2 Weigels?. The Wrench is talking about the David Weigel who rights for Reason. The Ice is talking about the David Weigel that writes for the Independent. Same guy?

Sidebar: there is a George Weigel who writes on Catholic topics.

392 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:41:04pm

re: #388 Gus 802

Glenn Beck is a raving freakazoid nut sandwich.

Any questions?

Can I opt for the soup without the sandwich!?!?!

393 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:41:17pm

re: #389 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was wondering why the hell there were cherries on the screen. Apples! Thanks.

One of them falls off. It is kind of cute.

394 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:41:28pm

re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, have people seen the nice Newton Google artwork today?

And did you know that Newton use to hang around "dens of thieves" and local kens, disguised as a poxy-ridden bum, in search of counterfeiters when he was the head of the Royal Mint?

395 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:41:38pm

re: #392 sattv4u2

Can I opt for the soup without the sandwich!?!?!

We have the soup to nuts special. Would you care for that?

//

396 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:41:51pm

re: #391 The Sanity Inspector

Sidebar: there is a George Weigel who writes on Catholic topics.

George Weigel is also a nutbar, but to the best of my knowledge, does not have anything to do with this mess.

397 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:41:54pm

re: #388 Gus 802

Glenn Beck is a raving freakazoid nut sandwich.

Any questions?

and makes a whole lot of money.

398 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:42:17pm

re: #393 SanFranciscoZionist

One of them falls off. It is kind of cute.

Take a bite, Adam!

399 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:42:18pm

re: #373 Walter L. Newton

My ex-wife use to tell me to do something, and I would ask her "what's the magic word?" and she would answer "Now!"

You find Miss Right, and then her first name turns out to be "Always".

400 simoom  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:42:18pm

For some reason Beck saying, "Glenn Beck is a raving freakazoid nut sandwich," made me chuckle. Someone should make a video with just him saying that in a loop :P.

401 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:42:24pm

re: #394 Walter L. Newton

And did you know that Newton use to hang around "dens of thieves" and local kens, disguised as a poxy-ridden bum, in search of counterfeiters when he was the head of the Royal Mint?

A well-rounded man.

402 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:42:26pm

re: #393 SanFranciscoZionist

One of them falls off. It is kind of cute.

Not on my monitor... it happened once, I used some tape, it's fine now.

403 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:42:30pm

re: #391 The Sanity Inspector

Sidebar: there is a George Weigel who writes on Catholic topics.

You mean the guy from Cheers?
/
My head hurts.

404 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:42:58pm

re: #390 Jeff In Ohio

Interesting. I wonder why his bio there doesn't mention the Independent.

Huh, i thought the same Dave Weigel at Reason was the same Wash Ind. guy. Maybe Charles knows? I read the Weigel at the WI.

405 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:42:58pm

re: #397 Walter L. Newton

and makes a whole lot of money.

I was never impressed by a celebrity's ability to make money.

406 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:43:31pm

re: #377 simoom

Here's the LGF mention on Glenn Beck today:

[Video]If you jump to ~2:30 he goes into his recap of how the Cash for Clunkers website can take over your computer ( /// ) and then quotes a few blogs which, I guess, he plans to rebut. LGF is the second blog excerpted.

Cool! Lawhawk (blog for all) got a mention too.

407 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:44:01pm

re: #405 Gus 802

I was never impressed by a celebrity's ability to make money.

Are you depressed by your inablilty too!?!?!

//

408 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:44:47pm

re: #407 sattv4u2

Are you depressed by your inablilty too!?!?!

//

Al Gore makes a lot of money too.

//

409 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:45:02pm

re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, have people seen the nice Newton Google artwork today?

It is nice. Makes up for them ignoring Pearl Harbor Day. Almost.

410 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:45:08pm

re: #408 Gus 802

Al Gore makes a lot of money too.

//

now THATS just mean!

411 Aye Pod  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:45:29pm

re: #400 simoom

For some reason Beck saying, "Glenn Beck is a raving freakazoid nut sandwich," made me chuckle. Someone should make a video with just him saying that in a loop :P.

With Glenn Beck, there is no longer any reason to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich - he's both wrapped into one.

412 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:46:27pm

re: #376 wrenchwench

That's like saying that "I don't mind visiting extremist sites" when looking for indications of terror, or extreme groups.

I do mind, that just doesn't stop me from hitting some jihadi, wingnut, and moonbat sites because I like to keep an eye on what the freaks are up to.

413 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:46:32pm

re: #411 Jimmah

With Glenn Beck, there is no longer any reason to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich - he's both wrapped into one.

Would that make him a douche-turd burrito or a douche-turd pita sandwich?

/

414 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:46:39pm

re: #401 SanFranciscoZionist

A well-rounded man.

And my girlfriend just got me the book for Christmas "Newton and the Counterfeiter - The Unknown Detective Career of the Worlds Greatest Scientist."

I had read a bit about this subject in a historical fiction novel, and found out that the Newton/Detective part was not fiction, and my girlfriend found this book that details the whole thing.

I won't get around to reading it for months, since I have a line of books ahead of it, but it should be interesting.

415 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:46:53pm

re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, have people seen the nice Newton Google artwork today?

"Why did Sir Isaac Newton shoot an apple off that geezer's head?"

-Ali G

416 Aye Pod  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:47:18pm

re: #413 Gus 802

Would that make him a douche-turd burrito or a douche-turd pita sandwich?

/

Depends how you wrap it I guess :)

417 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:47:33pm

re: #411 Jimmah

With Glenn Beck, there is no longer any reason to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich - he's both wrapped into one.

And doing a wonderful job of it.

418 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:48:33pm

re: #404 iceweasel

Huh, i thought the same Dave Weigel at Reason was the same Wash Ind. guy. Maybe Charles knows? I read the Weigel at the WI.

From The Washington Independent:

David Weigel, Politics Reporter

David Weigel is a reporter covering the conservative movement for The Washington Independent, and a contributing editor of Reason. His work has appeared in The American Prospect, The American Conservative, The American Spectator, The Guardian, Politico, and The Economist.

dweigel (at) washingtonindependent (dot) com

The Independent doesn't give the same pazzazz to the resume.

419 albusteve  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:49:39pm

re: #336 iceweasel

The 'cozy industry' of covering rightwing extremists, from two highly dissimiliar ideological perspectives.

surfing down here....this says alot, well phrased

420 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:49:44pm

Bachmann: GOP should ‘allow themselves to be re-defined by the tea party movement.’

....there’s no question that the heartbeat of the tea party movement would be more in line with the mission state of the Republican party certainly than that of the Democrat party. So if the Republican Party is wise, they will allow themselves to be re-defined by the tea party movement. And I hope that that will be the case.

421 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:52:12pm

re: #412 Thanos

That's like saying that "I don't mind visiting extremist sites" when looking for indications of terror, or extreme groups.

I do mind, that just doesn't stop me from hitting some jihadi, wingnut, and moonbat sites because I like to keep an eye on what the freaks are up to.

I understand that you do mind. Evidence is lacking that Weigel minds. Maybe he does. Maybe he's buddying up to them so he can expose 'em some more. I don't know.

422 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:52:30pm

re: #420 Killgore Trout

Bachmann: GOP should ‘allow themselves to be re-defined by the tea party movement.’

Some progressives are looking at the tea parties as possible compatriots.

423 blueraven  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:52:40pm

re: #376 wrenchwench

The Washington Independent may be far removed, but Weigel was in the same room.

I am not suggesting he shares McCain's views. I am suggesting he doesn't mind going to a party thrown by McCain's allies. I am certainly not worried that Weigel is a right wing extremist. I am suggesting he doesn't mind hanging out with them. It would make me uncomfortable. Him, not so much, apparently. He does not need to be like me. I am only making observations about him. Maybe he was following a story.

As for your last question, I guess I've been busy. Should the Weekly Standard be put higher on my list of priorities? :)



Because some one was at the same party as a known racist, they are suspect? I think many here might end up in that guilt by association trap.

424 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:53:54pm

So I bought a $50.00 pair of Ralph Lauren fleece pajamas today at Sears for less than 15.00. I am toasty for the first time in a week. It's like... like... they're made of... of... dreams.

425 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:54:23pm

Ivan Stamenov goes on a mental bender. The Google Translation version.

I think this guy might actually be crazier than Alex Jones.

427 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:54:44pm

re: #423 blueraven

Because some one was at the same party as a known racist, they are suspect? I think many here might end up in that guilt by association trap.

You're right... unfortunately it happens more often than not.

428 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:55:16pm

re: #397 Walter L. Newton

and makes a whole lot of money.

Oral Roberts made a lot of money too. So did the Baghwan Rajneesh. Charlatans are good at making money!

429 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:55:33pm

A little levity in a crappy situation

Musician leads stuck travelers in Newark in Hey Jude

Youtube Video
430 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:55:44pm

re: #424 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So I bought a $50.00 pair of Ralph Lauren fleece pajamas today at Sears for less than 15.00. I am toasty for the first time in a week. It's like... like... they're made of... of... dreams.

wonerful. As I prepare to go into work for an overnight shift, I have the vision of you in all your Fat Bastardness in "dreamy" fleece p.j.'s!!!

431 John Neverbend  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:55:44pm

OT. Monty Python is on IFC at the moment. They're doing the Piranha Brothers sketch. It's still brilliant.

432 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:55:51pm

re: #428 WindUpBird

Oral Roberts made a lot of money too. So did the Baghwan Rajneesh. Charlatans are good at making money!

Better than most people.

433 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:55:57pm

re: #424 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If you notice a triptych on the knee about a cannery, cybernetic sharks, and windows made of cotton candy, that's one of my dreams.

434 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:57:02pm

re: #423 blueraven

Because some one was at the same party as a known racist, they are suspect? I think many here might end up in that guilt by association trap.

Yes. He is suspected of attending a party with RS McCain. That's it. Oh, one more thing. I suspect he had fun. There.

435 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:57:16pm

Just heard on the ride home that Soundgarden is getting back together for a new album and tour after 12 years. Some good news finally.

Youtube Video
436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:57:21pm

re: #433 Obdicut

There's a graphic of hot dogs chasing donuts...

437 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:58:00pm

re: #421 wrenchwench

I understand that you do mind. Evidence is lacking that Weigel minds. Maybe he does. Maybe he's buddying up to them so he can expose 'em some more. I don't know.

Actually, what that shows is that evidence is lacking that RSM minds. Which is exactly why Weigel was able to get him to talk to him and shoot himself in the foot yet again.

438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:58:08pm

re: #430 sattv4u2

wonerful. As I prepare to go into work for an overnight shift, I have the vision of you in all your Fat Bastardness in "dreamy" fleece p.j.'s!!!

You are welcome.

439 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:58:10pm

re: #425 Gus 802

Hmm, also a strange article about "fags" on the front page of the site too. Autotranslation doesn't make much sense but I'm guessing it's about various homosexual slurs.

440 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 4:58:33pm

re: #423 blueraven

Because some one was at the same party as a known racist, they are suspect? I think many here might end up in that guilt by association trap.

I guess the line would be thus: was the someone merely at a neutral gathering that a known high profile racist happened to be at? or was he at a party organized BY known racists?

441 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:00:09pm

There heeeere... [Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

442 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:00:27pm

re: #435 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Chris Cornell's penance for a disastrous solo album.

Can't wait for the tour!

443 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:02:14pm

re: #442 Mich-again

Chris Cornell's penance for a disastrous solo album.

Can't wait for the tour!

Hey, I liked his solo work. The man can sing.

Ever hear his version of Ave Maria?

Youtube Video
444 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:02:38pm

re: #437 iceweasel

Actually, what that shows is that evidence is lacking that RSM minds. Which is exactly why Weigel was able to get him to talk to him and shoot himself in the foot yet again.

I'm still waiting for someone in addition to Charles to shun McCain instead of giving him further additional opportunities for foot-shooting.

446 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:03:26pm

re: #435 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Just heard on the ride home that Soundgarden is getting back together for a new album and tour after 12 years. Some good news finally.

[Video]

Good news, but I wasn't a fan of the later Soundgarden stuff. They hit their peak with Badmotorfinger, had a good album in Superunknown, and then fsssssssshhh....

Still, if it means I can hear Loud Love, Room a Thousand Years Wide or Jesus Christ Pose live for the first time in many many years, I'm thrilled :D

447 Gus  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:03:56pm

re: #439 Killgore Trout

Hmm, also a strange article about "fags" on the front page of the site too. Autotranslation doesn't make much sense but I'm guessing it's about various homosexual slurs.

It's probably the translation from Bulgarian for the slang or derogatory word for homosexual men perhaps?

Some of the translated ranting:

3. Pedal is that using "arguments" that seem to "understand itself". (In short and in English: A mental (intellectual) f*g is a person who resorts to "arguments" that supposedly need no further proof and / or examination: The Earth is flat. Period. The science is settled - Climategate does not exist. Period. Unidentified flying objects are not UFO's, but just some flying objects. Obama is great, so are his pervert czars, period! End of sarcasm.)

4. Pedal is the one who used propaganda against their opponents to put them in the despised group, thus hoping to trigger an automatic contempt and arguments against them. (In short and in English: The marginalizing moronic f*gs use propaganda. Propaganda is to a democracy what violence is to a dictatorship.)

Again he quotes William Blum.

448 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:05:04pm

re: #443 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Hey, I liked his solo work. The man can sing.

Ever hear his version of Ave Maria?

[Video]

Some of his solo work is good (thinking of the theme to Casino Royale) and some is just abominable. I quite liked the stuff he did with Rage (aka Audioslave), heavy songs, great guitarist and a great singer...it wasn't Soundgarden, but it was pretty cool.

449 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:05:17pm

BBL

(in a couple of hours when I get to work , and I'm warning you now, it's your job to keep me entertained and awake for those 12 hours!!)

/

450 countrygurl  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:05:18pm

Maybe I don't get out enough....but is this real? I just can't believe my eyes! Are we sure this is not photo-shopped?

451 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:05:19pm

re: #446 WindUpBird

Good news, but I wasn't a fan of the later Soundgarden stuff. They hit their peak with Badmotorfinger, had a good album in Superunknown, and then fssshhh...

Still, if it means I can hear Loud Love, Room a Thousand Years Wide or Jesus Christ Pose live for the first time in many many years, I'm thrilled :D

Superunknown is one of my all time favorite albums.

452 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:06:34pm

OT but very interesting:

ALI Gives Up Death Penalty Work


Last fall, the American Law Institute, which created the intellectual framework for the modern capital justice system almost 50 years ago, pronounced its project a failure and walked away from it.
453 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:06:53pm

re: #451 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Superunknown is one of my all time favorite albums.

I don't like it nearly as much as BMF, but it has some of their best songs on it. All will fall before the might of the drumming on Spoonman :D

454 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:07:20pm

re: #451 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Maybe its a Seattle thing, but I hated Superunknown.

It could also be that I went on a loong scout outing, and the younger kids just wanted to play that album over and over. "Sponeman" is indelibly imprinted in my brain, and not in a good way.

455 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:07:27pm

re: #444 wrenchwench

I'm still waiting for someone in addition to Charles to shun McCain instead of giving him further additional opportunities for foot-shooting.

I'm still waiting for more people to get upset about the right's embrace of McCain and other extremism.
Like Dave Weigel is.

Here's an NPR interview with Weigel:

Is the conservative right undergoing a transformation? Journalist David Weigel thinks so. Weigel covers the Republican party for the online magazine The Washington Independent, where he's written about tea party protests, anti-health care activists, the "birther" movement and the recent Values Voter summit.

Hint: he wasn't coming out in favour of teaparties, anti-health care activists, or nirthers.
But I suspect he has been in the same room with them at points.

456 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:07:53pm

re: #443 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Ever hear his version of Ave Maria?

I have said many times that I think he is the best rock singer of them all these days, but I'm not sure I want to see him sing Ave Maria. Spoon Man or Outshined or even Like a Stone sure, but Ave Maria? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot..

457 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:11:25pm

re: #455 iceweasel

I'm still waiting for more people to get upset about the right's embrace of McCain and other extremism.
Like Dave Weigel is.

Here's an NPR interview with Weigel:

Hint: he wasn't coming out in favour of teaparties, anti-health care activists, or nirthers.
But I suspect he has been in the same room with them at points.

I guess getting upset is a first step. Maybe he'll see fit to shun later. When he's tired of complimenting his tweets.

458 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:11:46pm

re: #453 WindUpBird

I don't like it nearly as much as BMF, but it has some of their best songs on it. All will fall before the might of the drumming on Spoonman :D

Drawing Flies was my favorite from BMF

Youtube Video
459 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:12:02pm

re: #419 albusteve

surfing down here...this says alot, well phrased

Cheers albusteve! Hope you're well today.

460 abolitionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:12:10pm

re: #450 countrygurl

Maybe I don't get out enough...but is this real? I just can't believe my eyes! Are we sure this is not photo-shopped?

Charles said:
re: #38 Charles

This is the organizer.

461 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:13:56pm

re: #457 wrenchwench

Ba-zing!


Its gotta be tough to be a relatively rational (public) conservative right now. You can't be too awful to the RSM's or you'll get Chariman Steele'd, on the other hand you wanna try to damage-control as you can.

462 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:15:03pm

re: #457 wrenchwench

I guess getting upset is a first step. Maybe he'll see fit to shun later. When he's tired of complimenting his tweets.

That certainly looks like damning evidence that Weigel is secretly a right-wing extremist.

463 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:15:37pm

re: #461 windsagio

OT/PS: Watching the ups/downs on the LGF spy is more than a little hypnotic.

464 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:15:40pm

re: #461 windsagio

Ba-zing!

Its gotta be tough to be a relatively rational (public) conservative right now. You can't be too awful to the RSM's or you'll get Chariman Steele'd, on the other hand you wanna try to damage-control as you can.

What rational conservatives do you have in mind? I'm not sure I know of any...

465 albusteve  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:16:31pm

re: #459 iceweasel

Cheers albusteve! Hope you're well today.

doing my best thanks...

466 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:16:31pm

re: #464 Walter L. Newton

hahaa. I think thats a lose-lose question right there.


I know, I'll use LGF posters as examples!


/no, actually, I won't :p

467 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:16:38pm

re: #458 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Drawing Flies was my favorite from BMF

[Video]

A great tune! Mine's still Room a Thousand Years Wide. I had to stop listening to it in my car because it made me want to speed. :D I just love everything about that record.

Now I want to turn onthe Melvins. It's becoming a very Northwest day for music...

468 Aye Pod  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:17:00pm

re: #462 iceweasel

That certainly looks like damning evidence that Weigel is secretly a right-wing extremist.

Not only that, but you just said something nice to albusteve. All kinds of masks slipping tonight ;-)

469 Kragar  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:17:06pm

Well, off to help the kids with homework and listen to more Soundgarden. Later all.

470 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:17:21pm

re: #443 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

The musical arrangement in that song was a train wreck. It sounded like carnival music, like a slow version of Entrance of the Gladiators. But no question Chris Cornell has a great voice.

471 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:17:28pm

re: #426 Varek Raith

[Video]

Youtube Video
472 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:17:52pm

re: #462 iceweasel

That certainly looks like damning evidence that Weigel is secretly a right-wing extremist.

Our damning evidence that he's a journalist.

473 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:18:19pm

re: #466 windsagio

hahaa. I think thats a lose-lose question right there.

I know, I'll use LGF posters as examples!

/no, actually, I won't :p

Well, I wasn't trying to bait you, nor was I trying to be funny, I really don't know of any moderated PUBLIC conservatives. Oh, I know some local ones (radio talk show hosts), and a few here at LGF (I'm not including myself), but on a national, public stage... I can't think of one.

474 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:18:43pm

re: #462 iceweasel

That certainly looks like damning evidence that Weigel is secretly a right-wing extremist.

Whatever political views he holds are irrelevant to the facts about the party and the tweets. I am not saying nor implying anything about Weigel's political beliefs.

475 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:19:18pm

re: #473 Walter L. Newton

I really don't know of any moderated PUBLIC conservatives.

Maybe in the tall heap of discarded RINO's?

476 The Left  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:19:39pm

re: #472 Jeff In Ohio

Our damning evidence that he's a journalist.

And as such, must be shunned. Shun the nonbeliever! SHUUUN!

Youtube Video

BBL

477 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:19:43pm

re: #472 Jeff In Ohio

because journalists are known for making poor sarcasm or idiotic comments on twitter. Oh the press!

478 kingkenrod  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:19:59pm

re: #446 WindUpBird

Good news, but I wasn't a fan of the later Soundgarden stuff. They hit their peak with Badmotorfinger, had a good album in Superunknown, and then fssshhh...

Still, if it means I can hear Loud Love, Room a Thousand Years Wide or Jesus Christ Pose live for the first time in many many years, I'm thrilled :D

Badmotorfinger had great songs from beginning to end. SG and Chris Cornell releases after that were big let-downs for me, although the quality of the music was still high, I never listened to them like BMF.

479 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:20:46pm

re: #473 Walter L. Newton

Well, I wasn't trying to bait you, nor was I trying to be funny, I really don't know of any moderated PUBLIC conservatives. Oh, I know some local ones (radio talk show hosts), and a few here at LGF (I'm not including myself), but on a national, public stage... I can't think of one.

Rudy?

480 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:21:09pm

re: #473 Walter L. Newton

oh didn't mean that, just... its easy to offend somebody.

but yeah, what Mich-again said~ ya look at the huge pile of Reps/conservatives that the teabaggers have gut-punched, and you're sure to find a few.

481 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:21:20pm
482 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:21:38pm

re: #479 MandyManners

Rudy?

What stage have you seen him on lately? I must have missed his last appearance.

483 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:21:56pm

re: #449 sattv4u2

BBL

(in a couple of hours when I get to work , and I'm warning you now, it's your job to keep me entertained and awake for those 12 hours!!)

/

Youtube Video
484 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:22:19pm

re: #479 MandyManners

Man, he's one of those guys that makes me see red. "Lucky Hack" from beginning to end.

485 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:23:06pm

re: #480 windsagio

oh didn't mean that, just... its easy to offend somebody.

but yeah, what Mich-again said~ ya look at the huge pile of Reps/conservatives that the teabaggers have gut-punched, and you're sure to find a few.

I'm not looking for any moderate conservatives, I was just wondering where they were, because in general, on a public stage, I don't know any.

486 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:23:09pm

re: #473 Walter L. Newton

George Voinivich. I have rarely agreed with the man, as my Senator or my Governor, but he's carried the weight of his convictions, and for that I applaud him. He retires in '10. Go Jen Brunner!

487 windsagio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:24:17pm

re: #485 Walter L. Newton

hah to be honest, I have no idea. I just assumed they had to exist ;)


Oregon isn't a good place to find conservatives.

488 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:24:43pm

re: #486 Jeff In Ohio

George Voinivich. I have rarely agreed with the man, as my Senator or my Governor, but he's carried the weight of his convictions, and for that I applaud him. He retires in '10. Go Jen Brunner!

What is a "Jen Brunner?"

489 abolitionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:24:57pm

There's an update at Charles' link.
[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]

Update: Josh Parker of the Houston Tea Party Society tells me that Robertson was booted out of the event for this sign.

The event being the Feb. 27, 2009 Tea Party in Houston.

490 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:26:10pm

re: #488 Walter L. Newton

What is a "Jen Brunner?"

Jennifer Brunner is Ohio's Secretary of State and running for Voinavich's seat.

491 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:30:12pm
492 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:30:22pm
493 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:31:06pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel

What's with these fat, mcmansion-dwelling, money-grubbing hippie-haters growing beards? Is it supposed to be some kind ofBoer commando look? Old west posse maybe? Confederate general?

That's not a beard, this is a beard:
[Link: www.beardteamusa.org...]

The guy in the photo has a goatee, which I've heard on more than one occasion is the new mullet.

As much as I would like to sport my very own beard of epic repute, my ancestors apparently decided to select for gigantic, right-triangle noses and baldness instead.

494 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:31:33pm

re: #489 abolitionist

They booted out their own organizer? Sounds fishy. Of course if that is true, it might be a glimmer of sense coming to those folks. To grow their movement they will have to act and speak respectable. Some of them may start to do that. Not that I'd bet on it. But if its true its interesting.

495 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:31:45pm
496 Lidane  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:34:00pm

re: #481 countrygurl

Er, no. It's actually very easy to disagree with that.

The sign is blatantly racist. Don't try to justify it or explain it.

497 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:34:06pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

I like engineering fixes. The teapartiers need programmable LED protest signs with spell-check.

But you know the clock feature on such a sign would flash "12:00" at all times.

498 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:34:11pm

re: #494 Rightwingconspirator

Hey RWC - does your DOF calculator let you calculate hyperfocal distance for 190mm focal length at f/380?
:0) bought that 8x10 pinhole and just started running film though it.

499 abolitionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:35:14pm

re: #494 Rightwingconspirator

Booted out of one event, it would appear.

500 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:39:40pm

re: #498 Jeff In Ohio

wait, you BOUGHT a pinhole camera? Isn't that sort of like buying a paper airplane?

Altoids boxes make excellent pinhole cameras for 35mm film. Back before the internets found out about Holgas and you could still get them new in box for $15, heavily MacGuyvered Holgas made great pinhole cameras for 6x6 negs.

501 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:39:54pm

re: #481 countrygurl

Uh...wtf? It's quite easy to disagree with that! Our current tax rates are akin to slavery?!?! Seriously, come on!

502 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:40:11pm

re: #499 abolitionist

Booted out of one event, it would appear.

That's correct. Dale Robertson is still very active in the Tea Party movement.

503 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:40:26pm

re: #494 Rightwingconspirator

They booted out their own organizer? Sounds fishy. Of course if that is true, it might be a glimmer of sense coming to those folks. To grow their movement they will have to act and speak respectable. Some of them may start to do that. Not that I'd bet on it. But if its true its interesting.

I think the article said that the photo was from a tea party last February, and that he was booted out of that event. Now, he's having trouble organinzing his own event, because of the old photo floating around. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong; that was just my first impression from a quick skim.

504 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:41:15pm

Supper... bbiab... maybe

505 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:41:46pm

re: #504 Walter L. Newton

Supper... bbiab... maybe

Mangez bien.

506 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:42:00pm

re: #498 Jeff In Ohio
Cool!
I can fire up my laptop, but not sure of the circle of confusion for a pinhole. I have it for SLR. Not gonna find that in my cinematographers guide!
Oh and at what distance?

I can call a friend in on this. But my guess would be very good depth given the tiny aperture.

507 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:43:10pm

re: #503 The Sanity Inspector

Well he can sleep in the bed he made. If he is out, so much the better.

508 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:44:44pm

Charles all I can say is that Dexter Douglas is a great champion of justice who saved us from such monsters as Cave Guy, The Lobe, and Armando Guitierrez, he deserves better than to be lumped in the same category as Glen Beck!

Come on everybody, sing along!

Super-teen extraordinaire
Freakazoid! Freakazoid!
Runs around in underwear
Freakazoid! Freakazoid!

509 brookly red  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:45:42pm

re: #501 Varek Raith

Uh...wtf? It's quite easy to disagree with that! Our current tax rates are akin to slavery?!?! Seriously, come on!

I guess that the rates aren't that bad but the ROI could be better IMO.

510 avanti  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:45:48pm

re: #495 Walter L. Newton

Is it even necessary to state it in those words at all?

Evening Walter, I saw you mentioned on the stalker blog yet again. For some time they had a unrealistic fantasy that you might join their ranks, but now they've deciding you are too far left for them. Your comments critical of profiling by race or religion were a deal killer.
Congratulations Comrade. /

511 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:46:08pm

re: #508 jamesfirecat

Sigh, what does it say about me that I understood that?
/:P

512 simoom  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:46:32pm

re: #400 simoom

For some reason Beck saying, "Glenn Beck is a raving freakazoid nut sandwich," made me chuckle. Someone should make a video with just him saying that in a loop :P.

I couldn't resist:

Youtube Video
513 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:49:05pm

re: #508 jamesfirecat

Welcome, hatchling!

514 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:49:36pm

re: #500 negativ

wait, you BOUGHT a pinhole camera? Isn't that sort of like buying a paper airplane?

Altoids boxes make excellent pinhole cameras for 35mm film. Back before the internets found out about Holgas and you could still get them new in box for $15, heavily MacGuyvered Holgas made great pinhole cameras for 6x6 negs.

I have neither the gear or the skills to construct an 8x10 film pinhole camera out of mahogany with a 190mm focal length and a brass hole that is exactly f/380. However, I do possess the skill to calculate the reciprocity of the film for the needed longer exposure times, the ability to manipulate the negative via chemicals to achieve both eh needed shadow density and contrast range to print in full sunlight on a silver-chloride coated substrate. I could even give you a history of salt printing as well as a demonstration of just about every photographic process from the Daguerreotype (don't breathe in the mercury!) to the digital print, as I have done them all professionally and in my backyard.

So, no, making pinhole pictures is not like making paper airplanes. Unless yoru this guy:
[Link: gizmodo.com...]

515 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:53:47pm

re: #511 Varek Raith

It says you have great taste in cartoons I mean it was made by Steven Spielberg after all!

516 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:54:51pm

re: #506 Rightwingconspirator

Cool!
I can fire up my laptop, but not sure of the circle of confusion for a pinhole. I have it for SLR. Not gonna find that in my cinematographers guide!
Oh and at what distance?

I can call a friend in on this. But my guess would be very good depth given the tiny aperture.

About 10 ft distance to subject, though not sure if it will matter for hyperfocal distance since it should be fixed regardless of subject distance. Not sure what the CoC would be. I know the DOF would be pretty large (5ft. to infinity) what I'm curious about is using this camera for portraiture and placing the subject as close to the hyperfocal distance as possible. Not sure it would actually matter, and I get the feeling the hyperfocal distance will be about 10 - 15 feet, but just one of those things a want to know.

There's a couple of online calculators, but they don't go past f/64.

517 opie77  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:55:33pm

Looks like a shop to me. But the shear insanity of the tea baggers does make me wonder if it could be real.

518 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:57:06pm

re: #514 Jeff In Ohio

I guess I just don't see what you're up to; in my experience much of the point of a pinhole camera is the guesswork involved and the relative unpredictability of the result.

And mercury-schmercury. A fun party trick is to bring your pals into your darkroom and then show them the MSDS for Kodak's sepia toner. People tend to get needlessly nervous upon seeing the phrase "potassium ferrocyanide".

519 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 5:59:47pm

Oh, it seems I had a comment deleted for replying to, and quoting, an idiotic statement.

Rookie mistake I guess. Live and learn.

520 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:01:39pm

re: #514 Jeff In Ohio

Okay got it I think.
I used a Coc of .001 Not sure about this but I get a hyperfocal of 376.96
Just for fun I plugged in a distance of 19 inches to the item and your Near Limit would be 17.72" and the far limit 18.29 inches.
At 15 feet you have a near limit of 124.5" and a far limit of 324.7"

What film to start?

521 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:05:30pm

re: #517 opie77

Looks like a shop??? Please. It's quite real.

522 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:07:05pm

re: #514 Jeff In Ohio

I could even give you a history of salt printing as well as a demonstration of just about every photographic process from the Daguerreotype (don't breathe in the mercury!) to the digital print, as I have done them all professionally and in my backyard.

Have you ever seen the Daguerrotype of 9/11? I stand in awe of that photograher's presence of mind.

523 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:09:44pm

re: #519 Soap_Man

The reply button is your friend!
The quote button, well, not so much!

524 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:09:58pm

re: #514 Jeff In Ohio

Dude you got film skills way the heck over my head.

re: #522 goddamnedfrank

Hell yes, that is just amazing. What an interesting look. My mind is feeling a lot conflicted at the dissonance of a great art shot of that subject. My favorite 9/11 shot is falling man. Mostly because it makes me want to cry and scream.

525 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:12:18pm

re: #520 Rightwingconspirator

Okay got it I think.
I used a Coc of .001 Not sure about this but I get a hyperfocal of 376.96
Just for fun I plugged in a distance of 19 inches to the item and your Near Limit would be 17.72" and the far limit 18.29 inches.
At 15 feet you have a near limit of 124.5" and a far limit of 324.7"

What film to start?

Some Ilford Delta 100. I got one exposure that looked a little thin, but good enough to proceed to setting up a grid on the side of the barn and see what the coverage and parallax correction will be.

re: #522 goddamnedfrank

Wow, that's something. Your right, the power of that picture is the resolve it took to take it.

526 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:12:40pm

re: #524 Rightwingconspirator

Charles has an amazing series of photographs of 9/11 linked in the "Never Forget" button. On the upper left, if you want to make yourself cry, all over again. It includes several people jumping shots.

527 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 6:21:22pm

re: #525 Jeff In Ohio
Do my numbers make sense?
I can recalc at different CoC's if you like. Or if you like I'd send you my Excel file. I clicked my nic so you can get my email.
re: #526 Floral Giraffe
I have and yeah its still a tough viewing for me. My brain starts to stutter at the thought of staying behind a camera and taking shots like that. I would be so conflicted. I have this mental block about publishing a persons most personal moment, the dying. I would feel like the lowest whore ever. But of course those images have real merit. We never forget, a lesson from the past, that we sadly need still.

528 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:42:47pm

re: #527 Rightwingconspirator

Do my numbers make sense?
I can recalc at different CoC's if you like. Or if you like I'd send you my Excel file. I clicked my nic so you can get my email.
re: #526 Floral Giraffe
I have and yeah its still a tough viewing for me. My brain starts to stutter at the thought of staying behind a camera and taking shots like that. I would be so conflicted. I have this mental block about publishing a persons most personal moment, the dying. I would feel like the lowest whore ever. But of course those images have real merit. We never forget, a lesson from the past, that we sadly need still.

I think for a photographer, his or her art is the most lasting way they can bear witness. It's who they are, what they do.

529 Lidane  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:48:32pm

Speaking of the tea parties--

Bachmann: GOP should ‘allow themselves to be re-defined by the tea party movement.’

At the inception of the tea party phenomena, organizers insisted that “the movement is not tied to the Republican Party.” But in recent weeks, the Republican Party has been going all out to bring the vocal activists into the GOP’s fold. “We need to stop looking at the tea parties as separate from the Republican party,” Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) told National Review last month. In a Dec. 29 interview on Fred Thompson’s radio show with guest host Jed Babbin, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) said that if the GOP were “wise,” they would “allow themselves to be re-defined by the tea party movement”:

BABBIN: What should the Republican Party be doing to capture this political energy and turn it into votes next year?

BACHMANN: Well, it’s embrace the tea party movement with full arms and hold as many open forums as they possibly can to bring people in and listen to them because the leadership right now is truly coming from the tea party movement because it is disaffected Democrats, Independents, Republicans. It’s really people who love the country and who brace what ultimately has been the mission statement of the Republican Party. If you look at the two parties, Democrat and Republican, there’s no question that the heartbeat of the tea party movement would be more in line with the mission state of the Republican party certainly than that of the Democrat party. So if the Republican Party is wise, they will allow themselves to be re-defined by the tea party movement. And I hope that that will be the case.

Youtube Video
530 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 7:59:49pm

re: #528 SanFranciscoZionist

Quite right. Bearing witness is the thing. I'd love to talk to that Falling man photographer one day.

531 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 8:13:29pm

re: #13 Charles

Yeah, who sent those pictures to you? Leftists?

/

Charles -
Respectful Disagreement.
Don't know about now, CAN speak about "then" - the start of Tea Parties - here in Monmouth County, NJ. Was the crowd "Majority White?" sure it was, so is the county, and the Obama Administration was "still new" and a source of pride to our "Black" Residents. Was there overt racism, abso-tutely NOT.
"Racism" - Per Se - is a waste of time. We Humans are closer than breeds of dogs. My "White-Owned" Male Shepherd still sniffs the butt of the Female "Black Owned" Daschund that lives down the hall. We "Custodians" see the irony and talk and laugh about it - they are DOGS - a simpler animal than we humans. Perhaps THEY can teach US.

-S-

532 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 4, 2010 9:12:58pm

re: #531 Dr. Shalit

We Humans are closer than breeds of dogs. My "White-Owned" Male Shepherd still sniffs the butt of the Female "Black Owned" Daschund that lives down the hall. We "Custodians" see the irony and talk and laugh about it - they are DOGS - a simpler animal than we humans. Perhaps THEY can teach US.

Don't let 'em fool you Dude, that's just two Germans looking for some lebensraum.

533 eneri  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:40:18am

Right wing deniers claim any and all racism is done by infiltrating Dem's.

534 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:23:02am

re: #348 wrenchwench

What I meant by 'cozy industry' was people from America's Future Foundation, and Matthew Vadum, Weekly Standard's Mary Katharine Ham, Garrett Murch, Radley Balko, and McCain and Weigel. (They were all at that party.) The activist/journalist political junkie crowd.

I'll let Iceweasel defend Weigel but your guilt by association charge against Balko is well below the belt and shows what little you know about the mans work. Balko, an anti-war libertarian, was one of the few Big "L"-iberterians to break with Paul over the newsletter scandal. Plus, over the last decade Balko and The Innocence Project have done more to help black people in the south receive fair trials than our glorious Justice dept. To insinuate that because he was at party with someone you don't like he's a racist collaborator is out of line. Say what you want about his politics but there isn't any question who has the moral high ground when it comes to racism, real or perceived.

535 Jerusalemyte  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:05:30am

The one thing that I learned growing up in the DEEP SOUTH in the 1950's was:
Bigots can't spell .
You don't have to be uneducated to be a bigot but: IT DON'T HURT.
Man of Faith?? Which one?

536 Reggie Dunlop  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 8:44:01am

This photo looks like it was photoshopped. I could understand a random person being a total raging D bag and having that sign or a leftist plant (as they seem to be able to look into the hearts of men and find racism under every stone), but one of the so-called leaders of the movement has to know that the statist opposition is trying to paint them as racists. Why play into their hands? Unless he is actually mentally challenged, I cannot see this photo ever being accurate. But hey, when has the MSM, let alone a random source like the Independent ever falsified their news? Oh yeah...

537 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:10:56am

Wow, that's pretty sad. You're so unwilling to believe that anyone at the tea parties could do something like this that you're concocting conspiracy theories.

You could click the link to Dave Weigel and find out that there's absolutely no doubt the photo is genuine.

Sad.

538 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:12:18am

That's three people so far in this thread who really, really want to believe the photo is a fake.

539 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:13:20am

Are all of these photos fakes too?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

540 Reggie Dunlop  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:20:30am

All I'm saying is it's a possibility... Of course it's possible either way (real or not), however, if it were real, wouldn't the MSM (which is severely in the tank for the administration) pick up on this and maximize it? And yet, the link you provide is the Independent and not the Old Gray Lady. It just goes to show people color facts with their own perceptions.

And only three people have expressed doubts in this thread? Wow, it must be a ridiculous assertion! Very scientific. However, a google search for Mr. Robertson's name hardly brings up the bulwarks of journalistic scrutiny. Either way it pisses me off because it changes the conversation from raising the debt ceiling, trashing the constitution and playing softball from our enemies to are people who disagree with the President racist?

541 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 9:24:10am

re: #540 Reggie Dunlop

No, it is not a possibility.

Sad.

542 Reggie Dunlop  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 10:03:02am

So Charles, you're telling me there is no way a white sign could be photoshopped to say something different than what the author intended? Absolutely no way?

543 Lidane  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 10:13:04am

re: #542 Reggie Dunlop

He's not saying that at all. He's saying that in this particular case, that particular sign is real. No Photoshop, no alterations, no nothing. It's real.

544 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 10:20:50am

re: #542 Reggie Dunlop

So Charles, you're telling me there is no way a white sign could be photoshopped to say something different than what the author intended? Absolutely no way?

No, I'm saying this sign was not Photoshopped. It's been confirmed. It's real.

And please stop trying to put absurd words in my mouth.

545 Reggie Dunlop  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 10:23:51am

Thank you for speaking for him. I am positing that it probably is faked, as Google news only pops 51 stories for Mr. Robertson, with "Dscriber" being the top. As I said, I condemn all such racist sentiments, but am cynical and have a certain amount of distrust for the MSM given their record from Mr. Rather to every instance of so called "fauxtography." Why then hasn't the NYT picked this up, at least on its blogs, or ABC news? Huffpo?

And since this used to be an anti-terrorism blog before Charles began focusing on the lunatic fringe on the right (as opposed to the left, which engages in "direct action"), I was wondering what everyone here thinks about Mr. John Brennan stating that the Christmas bomber might get a plea deal.

546 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 10:28:01am

re: #545 Reggie Dunlop

Sad.

547 Lidane  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 10:29:55am

re: #545 Reggie Dunlop

Charles is more than capable of speaking on his own behalf. I'm just telling you the photo is real, no matter how cynical about the media you might be.

548 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 10:41:47am
549 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 10:47:15am

Saw that one coming.

550 Jamfish  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:20:42pm

Very sad indeed. This guy is a caricature of how NOT to go about effecting change and convincing others of your point of view. He wears/speaks two conflicting messages which simultaneously confuses and disgusts people on all sides. Amazing how an ounce of nuance, or lack thereof, can kill a message and messenger at the same time.

551 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 1:17:38pm

re: #534 RogueOne

I'll let Iceweasel defend Weigel but your guilt by association charge against Balko is well below the belt and shows what little you know about the mans work. Balko, an anti-war libertarian, was one of the few Big "L"-iberterians to break with Paul over the newsletter scandal. Plus, over the last decade Balko and The Innocence Project have done more to help black people in the south receive fair trials than our glorious Justice dept. To insinuate that because he was at party with someone you don't like he's a racist collaborator is out of line. Say what you want about his politics but there isn't any question who has the moral high ground when it comes to racism, real or perceived.

I haven't made any "guilt by association charge". I said some folks were at a party together, and Balko was one of them. I'm sure Balko is a great guy. I made no implications of anybody being a "racist collaborator". I'm not familiar with Balko's politics, except what you've told me and what I learned from a quick look this morning (which included finding articles by him that I read when they were published.) He only had one article published by Human Events. That's not so bad.

My only point was meant to be that Weigel might be pals with RS McCain. And my bottom line is in comment number 444. A person can be on any point in the political spectrum and feel OK about hanging out with racists. I'm not saying that makes them a racist. I'm only saying that they feel OK about not shunning racists.

552 eric  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:32:30pm

I don't doubt the accuracy of the photo. It could be photo-shopped, but probably not. However, isn't this akin to finding one nasty comment on a blog and then excoriating all the blog has to stand for based on that one comment. This racist nutjob was probably there. It is intellectually shallow to assume that he represents the entire Tea-party movement.

553 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 7:01:40pm

re: #552 eric

See previous posts #32 and #38.

554 eltito  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 10:59:30pm

Hmm. Comes off more as commentary on how he thinks Congress views the People. Crass and stupid (and mildly illiterate)? Yeah, sure. Racist? I think I'd have to have more than a picture to go on to know the man's mind.


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