Video: Erickson on Colbert

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Here’s redstate.com’s head wingnut, Erick Erickson, confronted by Stephen Colbert with just a few of the weird extremist statements he’s made; for example, that “Justice Souter is a goat-f*cking child molester,” and “I didn’t realize the Nobel Prize committee had an affirmative action quota.”

Erickson says the former statement “wasn’t his finest moment,” but he stands by the “affirmative action quota” statement. (Proving once again that there’s no racism on the right wing.)

But I don’t know why he renounces the former statement; it’s accepted practice on the right to accuse opponents of being child molesters.

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1 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:16:20am

It kind of ties in with the last thread and what Steele said:

''We must support Republican officials who assert these principles,'' he writes. ''When elected Republicans vote against Republican principles, the voters must withhold their support -- withhold it vigorously and consistently.''

2 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:17:51am

I'm not sure how you can successfully take back calling someone a goat-fucker.

I have no idea what he means by the affirmative action thing; if it were true, the Nobel Prize committe wouldn't have given the prize to an American, since we tend to win a lot. The only possible way to interpret the comment is racial, which... yeah, that's just stupid racist.

3 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:19:08am

The audience really cringes with the affirmative action quote. Combined with the Nazi reference it's plain to see why blacks and Jews generally don't feel comfortable with the right.

4 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:19:33am

re: #2 Obdicut

I'm not sure how you can successfully take back calling someone a goat-fucker.

That's one of those statements that sticks. Kind of hard to say it was taken out of context.

5 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:20:22am

"a goat-f*cking child molester"

Make up your mind, Erickson. Goats or children?

6 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:21:18am

re: #5 MandyManners

"a goat-f*cking child molester"

Make up your mind, Erickson. Goats or children?

Kids.

/I'm sorry.

7 brookly red  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:22:23am

re: #6 Obdicut

clever...

8 Jaerik  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:22:37am

I got it!

Maybe these guys use "conservative" as shorthand for "conservatively racist."

"I mean, we're not actually lynching anyone. We just use racist language. You gotta admit, it's a pretty conservative way of going about it."

9 recusancy  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:23:24am

Charles... Andrew Sullivan commented on your blogging heads appearance.

10 recusancy  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:24:43am

re: #3 Killgore Trout

The audience really cringes with the affirmative action quote. Combined with the Nazi reference it's plain to see why blacks and Jews generally don't feel comfortable with the right.

Or anybody who isn't a white christian male.

11 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:26:01am

"Refreshingly Bold" I love it! Same with "There's a positive aspect to Joseph Goebbels." Stephen Colbert really has mastered how to out-kook even the kookiest kook (with a margin of error the size of Glenn Beck) hasn't he?

12 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:27:30am

So Erick couldn't cut it as a lawyer. Interesting. It was probably all that fact-checking the job required that drove him out of the law business and into blogging.

13 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:28:25am

Another theocrat only of the junior variety: "you must be pro-life in order to be on the front page of Red State." It should be noted that David Souter was nominated by President George H. W. Bush. Erickson's "joke" about affirmative action quotas is way out of line and just because it was on Twitter is no excuse.

14 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:28:42am

re: #12 darthstar

So Erick couldn't cut it as a lawyer. Interesting. It was probably all that fact-checking the job required that drove him out of the law business and into blogging running RedState.

Fixed for the factchecking bloggers amongst us. ;)

15 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:29:18am

re: #12 darthstar

So Erick couldn't cut it as a lawyer. Interesting. It was probably all that fact-checking the job required that drove him out of the law business and into blogging.

He could have just become a reporter instead...

16 stevemcg  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:29:36am

re: #12 darthstar

I wouldn't go that far. Lawyers fact check just enough to benefit their sides. They are advocates for their clients after all. The other side has to do their own fct checking. Maybe Erickson was actually the sleaziest of the sleazy.

17 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:32:39am

re: #2 Obdicut

I'm not sure how you can successfully take back calling someone a goat-fucker.

I have no idea what he means by the affirmative action thing; if it were true, the Nobel Prize committe wouldn't have given the prize to an American, since we tend to win a lot. The only possible way to interpret the comment is racial, which... yeah, that's just stupid racist.

Wonder if Mr. Erikson has ever heard of the man who won the Prize in 1964.

18 Baier  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:32:58am

re: #15 rwdflynavy

He could have just become a reporter instead...


He's biased enough to become a reporter, but in the wrong direction.

19 political lunatic  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:32:59am

Guys like these make me think that conservatism means either "everything is fine the way it is" or "everything was perfect the way it was before and changing things was unnecessary and harmful".

20 Kragar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:33:13am

Erickson does realize he's full of shit, right?

(I know, I know.)

21 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:33:31am

re: #14 iceweasel

Fixed for the factchecking bloggers amongst us. ;)

Thanks...and I think it'd be nice for people to repeat the "Erick couldn't cut it as a lawyer" message for a while...he's obviously a very insecure person, and you could see the fear on his face when he first started talking to Colbert.

And given the fact that he came to dKos once and personally explained why he banned me from RS (I'd made a snarky comment about Clinton being a much bigger criminal than Bush due to his accepting fellatio from an intern while talking on the phone, while Bush had only lied to get us to invade Iraq...though I was a bit flowery in my description--damn that liberal education!), I'd say it was well deserved.

22 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:33:39am

re: #4 RogueOne

That's one of those statements that sticks. Kind of hard to say it was taken out of context.

For a lot of people, "out of context" = "away from a like-minded audience".

23 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:34:02am

re: #18 Baier

He's biased enough to become a reporter, but in the wrong direction.


True that

24 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:34:34am

re: #15 rwdflynavy

He could have just become a reporter instead...

Like Jeff Gannon?

25 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:36:03am

re: #6 Obdicut

Kids.

/I'm sorry.

That's ba-a-a-a-a-ad!

26 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:36:10am

Of course Clinton's crime wasn't receiving fellatio. But don't let facts get in your way either.

27 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:36:11am

re: #21 darthstar

I think you hve to have guts to go on Colbert. It's like playing minesweeper. You don't know which question has the mine under it.

28 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:36:21am

re: #8 Jaerik

I got it!

Maybe these guys use "conservative" as shorthand for "conservatively racist."

"I mean, we're not actually lynching anyone. We just use racist language. You gotta admit, it's a pretty conservative way of going about it."

"And while we conserve the tradition of lynching, now we just do it in effigy. OK?"/


Obama Hanged in Effigy at Christian Campus (from september 08)

Fairfield, OH resident displays Obama hanging in effigy, admits racism (Oct 08)

Obama Hanged in Effigy in Plains, GA (3 days ago)

the USSS is investigating that last one.

29 Steve  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:37:13am

Slightly OT but I am trying to get more info but Michael Yon was arrested in Seattle for not divulging how much money he made to TSA agent.

30 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:37:22am

In 2 hours, about, LGF has made less than 200 comments; perhaps sanity and balance really is shrinking.

31 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:37:27am

re: #26 rwdflynavy

Of course Clinton's crime wasn't receiving fellatio. But don't let facts get in your way either.

No, his crime was lying about it...which I did say originally, but in such a way that it violated the 'family values' aspect of RS.

32 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:38:00am

re: #26 rwdflynavy

Of course Clinton's crime wasn't receiving fellatio. But don't let facts get in your way either.

That's right. It was lying about it.
Which as we all know has never before happened in the history of the world.

33 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:38:13am

re: #29 Steve

Why would he have to reveal that?

34 Baier  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:38:32am

re: #27 SteveMcG

I think you hve to have guts to go on Colbert. It's like playing minesweeper. You don't know which question has the mine under it.

I don't think Colbert goes after anyone that doesn't deserve it. I heard Steve Carrel talking about his time with Colbert. They don't like to make fools out of good people but they'll roast someone who is asking for it.

35 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:38:39am

re: #32 iceweasel

That's right. It was lying about it.
Which as we all know has never before happened in the history of the world.

"Everybody does it" is a child's argument.

36 political lunatic  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:39:01am

re: #29 Steve

When did airport security become a mafia-style dictatorship?

37 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:39:01am

re: #33 Ojoe

Why would he have to reveal that?

Someone with a badge demanded to know.

38 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:39:32am

re: #35 The Sanity Inspector

"Everybody does it" is a child's argument.


I firmly beleive that at that time Bill Clinton was a serial sexual predator. Not the first in the White House, but one of the worst.

39 Nanook37  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:39:47am

re: #27 SteveMcG

I think you hve to have guts to go on Colbert. It's like playing minesweeper. You don't know which question has the mine under it.


Or you have to be idiot to not know he is going to rip you up...

40 Baier  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:40:17am

re: #34 Baier

The interview is on NPR somewhere if anyone is interested. Just search Steve Carell.

41 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:40:25am

re: #38 rwdflynavy

"Predator" is overreaching.

42 Jack Burton  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:40:26am
You have a lot of Republicans who call themselves conservative who aren't necessarily conservative.

And there are a lot of right-of-center bloggers who call themselves non-douchebags who aren't necessarily non-douchebags.

43 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:40:30am

re: #27 SteveMcG

I think you hve to have guts to go on Colbert. It's like playing minesweeper. You don't know which question has the mine under it.

Every question has a mine under it...it's Colbert. The guy's always in character, unlike John Stewart who has the ability to interview someone straight-up when needed (which is why I think Stewart is far better than Colbert).
Erickson knew Colbert would pull some of his more inflammatory quotes, and was willing to accept that kind of exposure (my guess is he was looking at it as an opportunity to apply for a job on Fox news...hell, if they'll pay Michelle Malkin to spew hate, why not him?). In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see Erickson on Hannity or Beck in the near future.

44 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:41:47am

re: #41 SteveMcG

"Predator" is overreaching.

Not if you are one of the women he abused over the years.

45 Steve  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:42:40am

re: #33 Ojoe

Why would he have to reveal that?

re: #36 political lunatic

When did airport security become a mafia-style dictatorship?

do not know but I found this from The Moderate Voice

[Link: themoderatevoice.com...]

46 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:42:51am

re: #35 The Sanity Inspector

"Everybody does it" is a child's argument.

Yes, which is why that was not my argument.

The point is not that 'everybody does it'. The point is that it's a ridiculous thing to have been worried about in the first place.

But thanks for reminding us that there were certainly other presidents who had extramarital relationships and no one gave a damn.
(I know, it's the coverup...)

47 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:43:37am

re: #44 rwdflynavy

There's a big difference between used and abused.

48 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:43:48am

By the way "take all the bags and put them together in one pot...." You know on second watch I can't help but think that there could have been some re: #27 SteveMcG

It take guts or a real lack of critical thinking/research, you have to wonder at times if some of his guests don't realize where he stands on the political spectrum, till its too late.

I mean studies like these[Link: hij.sagepub.com...] l really do cast some light on why he got invited to that famous dinner in 2006...

49 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:44:22am

re: #44 rwdflynavy

Not if you are one of the women he abused over the years.

Pretty much every woman we know about was a willing participant...Flowers, Lewinsky...they weren't abused. They knew he was married. They were attracted to him because he was in power. That's not a fault on their part...but an affair takes two people.

50 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:44:40am
But I don’t know why he renounces the former statement; it’s accepted practice on the right to accuse opponents of being child molesters.

Only the goat knows for sure.

51 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:44:41am

re: #45 Steve

Huh. Well the TSA will get a big fat article about itself out of this.

52 Steve  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:45:00am

Also

[Link: thesunbreak.com...]

53 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:45:26am

Ugh, the wingnut blogs are in meltdown mode over the government oppression of Michael Yon.

54 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:45:34am

OT: I want to thank everyone who sent up a prayer for my dad, he is still in ICU and is going in for surgery around 4:30 EST. So far so good, he seems to be out of the woods at least, now we just have to hope that the surgery goes well.

The bleeding is ongoing but minimal and hopefully they will get that fixed, I'm really hoping we can bring him home in a day or two. He will be coming home to a clean house at least, as long as he was in the hospital I took the oppurtunity to move out all the furniture and get the carpets cleaned for the first time in seven years. (yes they were absolutely disgusting and embarressing)

My mom is a compulsive packrat and constantly fills up every inch of space in the house, if you clean an area out she goes out and buys or finds more stuff to fill it up. My brother and I threw out a couple of tons of useless crap today getting it ready for the carpet cleaner. When dad comes home the living room, dining room and master bedroom will be cleaned and organized at least.

Now I just have to work on finding the balls to ride mom hard enough to keep it that way for a while. lol...

55 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:46:39am

re: #54 ausador

Thanks for the update, and best of luck in the coming days. Don't forget to set aside a little time for yourself. It sounds like you'll need it.

56 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:46:40am

re: #49 darthstar

Pretty much every woman we know about was a willing participant...Flowers, Lewinsky...they weren't abused. They knew he was married. They were attracted to him because he was in power. That's not a fault on their part...but an affair takes two people.


Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey...

57 Girth  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:46:40am

re: #16 stevemcg

I wouldn't go that far. Lawyers fact check just enough to benefit their sides. They are advocates for their clients after all. The other side has to do their own fct checking. Maybe Erickson was actually the sleaziest of the sleazy.

If you're smart you check the other side too. The best way to win a game is to know what plays the other guy is going to run.

58 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:47:09am

I'll never forget Colbert's gig at the White House Correspondents' DInner. I happened to see it as it unfolded. Nothing on tv so I'm surfing and somehow I see that Colbert's the guest. I couldn't imagine who was stupid enough to book him. I knew before he even started that it was going to be god. And the President had to sit there and take it. A lot of people thought he was aiming at the press corp, but I felt he was aiming at the President, that he'll never be able to hide from the consequences of the war.

59 Ojoe  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:47:13am

re: #54 ausador

Hats off to you

60 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:47:26am

re: #56 rwdflynavy

Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey...

Yep...there's three I forgot, but I'm no expert on Clinton's infidelity. Thanks.

61 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:47:28am

re: #38 rwdflynavy

I firmly beleive that at that time Bill Clinton was a serial sexual predator. Not the first in the White House, but one of the worst.

Not one of the worst. Most men in power act that way. Once the Repubs got their teeth in him, they wouldn't turn him lose. They were gonna uncover anything and everything to discredit him and keep on doing it. I don't think any man's personal life was pursued so intensely as Clinton's, particularly by the Right.

62 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:47:30am

re: #21 darthstar

Thanks...and I think it'd be nice for people to repeat the "Erick couldn't cut it as a lawyer" message for a while...he's obviously a very insecure person, and you could see the fear on his face when he first started talking to Colbert.

And given the fact that he came to dKos once and personally explained why he banned me from RS (I'd made a snarky comment about Clinton being a much bigger criminal than Bush due to his accepting fellatio from an intern while talking on the phone, while Bush had only lied to get us to invade Iraq...though I was a bit flowery in my description--damn that liberal education!), I'd say it was well deserved.

Wow, that is hilarious that he went to kos to explain your banning. I never registered at redstate because it's always been so clear they ban anyone on the left, just about. That's an exceptionally silly reason to have banned you.

63 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:47:58am

re: #54 ausador

My best to all concerned.

64 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:48:21am

re: #52 Steve

Yeah, everybody's pretty worked up over that. I like Yon and understand that being inconvenienced is a pain in the ass. But I also understand that TSA has a job to do. It look like this is blowing up into a Paulian type outrage where people refuse to cooperate with the fascist gestapo of the totalitarian New World Order.

65 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:48:30am

re: #57 Girth

If you're smart you check the other side too. The best way to win a game is to know what plays the other guy is going to run.

My point was that Erick was probably too lazy to be a good lawyer. Sure, using "I'm a Lawyer" as a pick-up line in a bar might be fun, but all the paperwork, research, etc....BOOORING!...

66 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:48:57am

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Ugh, the wingnut blogs are in meltdown mode over the government oppression of Michael Yon.

Saw that coming. I wonder how long before they start blaming Obama. This isn't the first time the TSA has done anything like this. He'll live.

67 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:49:29am

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Yeah, everybody's pretty worked up over that. I like Yon and understand that being inconvenienced is a pain in the ass. But I also understand that TSA has a job to do. It look like this is blowing up into a Paulian type outrage where people refuse to cooperate with the fascist gestapo of the totalitarian New World Order.

I'm not sure I'd define being inconvenienced as being handcuffed. Unless you are into that kind of thing.
//

68 Steve  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:50:12am

re: #54 ausador

Will continue to pray for his recovery and for you. Dads are important. Lost mine two years ago.

69 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:50:31am

re: #62 iceweasel

Wow, that is hilarious that he went to kos to explain your banning. I never registered at redstate because it's always been so clear they ban anyone on the left, just about. That's an exceptionally silly reason to have banned you.

There was a cross-blogging exchange a few years ago between RS and Kos. This was before the 2006 mid-terms, if I recall. I complained about being banned, explained I had the same handle, and he dug up my comment and posted it at dKos. It was quite funny, really, as everyone else found it to be hilarious and we all had a good laugh at Erick's expense.

70 Steve  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:51:06am

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Yeah, everybody's pretty worked up over that. I like Yon and understand that being inconvenienced is a pain in the ass. But I also understand that TSA has a job to do. It look like this is blowing up into a Paulian type outrage where people refuse to cooperate with the fascist gestapo of the totalitarian New World Order.

Sooo... how much money do you make.

rattle rattle as I bring out my handcuffs.

71 Girth  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:51:06am

re: #65 darthstar

My point was that Erick was probably too lazy to be a good lawyer. Sure, using "I'm a Lawyer" as a pick-up line in a bar might be fun, but all the paperwork, research, etc...BOOORING!...

That's why I started that with "If you're smart..."

Effectively eliminates Erickson from the conversation.

72 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:51:06am

re: #66 Gus 802

Saw that coming. I wonder how long before they start blaming Obama. This isn't the first time the TSA has done anything like this. He'll live.

Watching for the ‘most likely terrorist’ is profiling, biased, and unfair. And then there’s Napolitano’s idea of “real” terrorists–which includes military vets like me who might have conservative views.

Liam on January 5, 2010 at 2:30 PM

Good point. Yon (and you, and Fox News employees) *do* fit this administration’s idea of what a terrorist is.

Midas on January 5, 2010 at 2:42 PM


Ed Morrisey is demanding an apology from the government.

73 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:51:41am

Did some quick research. He was became a member of the Georgia state bar on November 8, 2000. Currently he is an inactive member. Redstate began in May of 2004 so I will assume he was only an attorney for 4 years. He's 34 years old so that means he was admitted into the bar when he was 24 or right after graduating from Mercer University Walter F. George School of Law. He is listed at the Sell & Melton website and is listed as a member of the Georgia bar there however the Georgia Bar Association says otherwise.

74 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:51:45am

re: #49 darthstar

Pretty much every woman we know about was a willing participant...Flowers, Lewinsky...they weren't abused. They knew he was married. They were attracted to him because he was in power. That's not a fault on their part...but an affair takes two people.

There is no real consent if sex is procured by the exercise of a position of overwhelming power.

75 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:51:45am

re: #66 Gus 802

Yes, he'll live, but what exactly was the point of asking about Yon's income? That's not something the TSA/customs has done in the past when entering the US. Heck most of the time the TSA agents I've encountered barely ask any questions at all. I do hope that the TSA or ICE explain themselves (both of which are under DHS).

76 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:52:33am

re: #54 ausador

Presuming your mother is past middle age, I think think riding her will be enough. You and your brother will have to take turns and do it for her and for your father. Best wishes.

77 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:52:45am
The TSA agents were just “sticking it to Whitey”.

Lothar on January 5, 2010 at 2:47 PM

78 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:52:46am

re: #67 rwdflynavy

I'm not sure I'd define being inconvenienced as being handcuffed. Unless you are into that kind of thing.
//

But he wasn't arrested, they said. So I wonder what would have happened if he had said "Fine!", and just walked on, cuffs and all.

Actually, I know what would have happened. Being arrested would have been the least of it.

79 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:52:50am

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Ed Morrisey is demanding an apology from the government.

There will be no apology from "the government." If there were to be one it would from the local supervisor.

80 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:54:02am

re: #79 Gus 802

There will be no apology from "the government." If there were to be one it would from the local supervisor.

How about an apology of the NWO? Like that will ever happen!!
//

81 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:54:20am

re: #75 lawhawk

Yes, he'll live, but what exactly was the point of asking about Yon's income? That's not something the TSA/customs has done in the past when entering the US. Heck most of the time the TSA agents I've encountered barely ask any questions at all. I do hope that the TSA or ICE explain themselves (both of which are under DHS).

Probably because he's making financial transaction (online bill pay etc) from IP's from Pakistan, Afhganistan, Yemen, etc. It probably raised some flags.

82 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:54:34am

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Ed Morrisey is demanding an apology from the government.

Translation: Ed Morrisey wants attention.

83 Steve  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:54:53am

re: #79 Gus 802

There will be no apology from "the government." If there were to be one it would from the local supervisor.

I am waiting to hear more from Michael himself when he gets around to writing about it.

84 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:55:05am

re: #73 Gus 802

so I will assume he was only an attorney for 4 years

One of the 1st things he says during the interview was he practiced for 5 years

85 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:55:30am

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Probably because he's making financial transaction (online bill pay etc) from IP's from Pakistan, Afhganistan, Yemen, etc. It probably raised some flags.


I think you are giving TSA folks far too much credit. How would they even know this? If they did, they would know about his profession and that he is a fairly unlikely jihad recruit.

86 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:55:54am

re: #75 lawhawk

Yes, he'll live, but what exactly was the point of asking about Yon's income? That's not something the TSA/customs has done in the past when entering the US. Heck most of the time the TSA agents I've encountered barely ask any questions at all. I do hope that the TSA or ICE explain themselves (both of which are under DHS).

I did some quick Googling before and found a few references to being asked this question including other random questions. We don't know the specifics so it's hard to make a judgment on this matter -- keeping in mind that customs, TSA, etc., aren't only for the purpose of preventing terrorism and are engaged in wider law enforcement capacity.

87 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:56:13am

re: #74 Spare O'Lake

There is no real consent if sex is procured by the exercise of a position of overwhelming power.

Agreed. But I think Clinton was an opportunist. He knew when women were attracted to him and took advantage of the opportunity, not necessarily the person.

88 brookly red  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:57:06am

re: #85 rwdflynavy

I think you are giving TSA folks far too much credit. How would they even know this? If they did, they would know about his profession and that he is a fairly unlikely jihad recruit.

/uh, oh maybe the TSA has been infiltrated by the IRS...

89 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:57:10am

re: #47 SteveMcG

There's a big difference between used and abused.

One costs extra.

90 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:57:13am

re: #84 sattv4u2

so I will assume he was only an attorney for 4 years

One of the 1st things he says during the interview was he practiced for 5 years

OK, 5 years. Still not much to crow about.

91 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:57:24am

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Probably because he's making financial transaction (online bill pay etc) from IP's from Pakistan, Afhganistan, Yemen, etc. It probably raised some flags.

WHAT!?!?!?

You really think a TSA agent stationed at an airport screening booth has what Yons financial transaction history is !?!?!

92 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:57:24am

re: #85 rwdflynavy

How would they even know this?

I think the Patriot act had provisions in it regarding suspicious bank transactions.

93 Girth  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:57:44am

re: #79 Gus 802

There will be no apology from "the government." If there were to be one it would from the local supervisor.

No, the entire federal government should stop work at 3:02 pm tomorrow. Armed forces, TSA, bureaucrats, Congress, Obama, everyone. Everyone will face in the direction of Ed, and apologize.

94 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:57:52am

re: #84 sattv4u2

so I will assume he was only an attorney for 4 years

One of the 1st things he says during the interview was he practiced for 5 years

Well, five sounds better than four. I wonder if he made it to the level of "Associate"...or if he was just a junior associate who was required to do grunt-work.

95 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:58:14am

re: #93 Girth

No, the entire federal government should stop work at 3:02 pm tomorrow. Armed forces, TSA, bureaucrats, Congress, Obama, everyone. Everyone will face in the direction of Ed, and apologize.

Oh that's good. :)

96 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:58:20am

re: #90 Gus 802

OK, 5 years. Still not much to crow about.

I didn't hear him crowing. He answered a question (about how he became involved with RedState) and answered it matter of factly

97 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:58:27am

re: #91 sattv4u2

WHAT!?!?!?

You really think a TSA agent stationed at an airport screening booth has what Yons financial transaction history is !?!?!

Exactly

98 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:58:54am

re: #96 sattv4u2

I didn't hear him crowing. He answered a question (about how he became involved with RedState) and answered it matter of factly


It is about 5 years longer than I would want to be a lawyer.

99 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:58:58am

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Probably because he's making financial transaction (online bill pay etc) from IP's from Pakistan, Afhganistan, Yemen, etc. It probably raised some flags.

That's possible, if you consider that the financial tracking systems are more efficient and effective than other activities that should raise red flags. Still, was this something that a TSA/ICE screener is going to see when their files pop up with Yon's name? It would be interesting to see that Yon's name is somehow on the TIDE list, and got heightened scrutiny for it, but Mutallab's father contacted authorities to warn of his son's potential for terrorism, and that didn't raise flags.

100 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:59:03am

re: #93 Girth

No, the entire federal government should stop work at 3:02 pm tomorrow. Armed forces, TSA, bureaucrats, Congress, Obama, everyone. Everyone will face in the direction of Ed, and apologize.

Ed would stand between them and Mecca and then the news would be in an uproar over the muslimification of our government.

101 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:59:37am

re: #74 Spare O'Lake

As I understood it, (at least with Lewinski) its not so much that Clinton even used his power as a bargaining chip (I've never heard anyone say that she only got the job because she was doing him) but that it might have been why they were drawn to him. Thus Clinton's "power" was only a passive fact, like how attractive someone is or how rich they were. Does anyone know Clinton ever engaging in a "tit for tat" (poor choice of words on reflection) sexual relationship?

102 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 11:59:49am

re: #94 darthstar

Well, five sounds better than four. I wonder if he made it to the level of "Associate"...or if he was just a junior associate who was required to do grunt-work.

He stated he was doing political consultant work around the country

Most likely (I have a cousin thats into this) he goes with a candidate be it local or national and handles day to day legal grunt work, again, most likely for a big firm

103 Summer Seale  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:00:19pm

Colbert was completely brilliant, as usual. =)

Stewart is very funny, and sometimes he really gets it on the mark. But I think Colbert is much more in the comic genius category.

104 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:00:29pm

re: #74 Spare O'Lake

There is no real consent if sex is procured by the exercise of a position of overwhelming power.

Don't go all Andrea Dworkin on us, now. Power is an aphrodisiac to a lot of people.

Clinton's crime was perjury, not adultery. There are people doing hard time for committing the same crime that he, the top law enforcement official, committed.

105 Mikko_Sandt  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:01:13pm

How is that affirmative action quote racist? It's merely cricitism of the kind of positive racism advocated by many on the left.

106 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:01:36pm

From the Hotair article:

Thank goodness our Homeland Security people are on the job after the EunuchBomber botched attack on Christmas Day

EunuchBomber heh.

107 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:01:52pm

re: #83 Steve

I am waiting to hear more from Michael himself when he gets around to writing about it.

This is the latest post on his Facebook page:

Michael Yon Actually...the Gold Medal for border harassment goes to Israel. The U.S. gets the Silver on border bullying. Among the most professional that I've encountered is UAE (United Arab Emirates) and also Singapore. Very professional. UAE confiscated my body armor during one trip, but took good care of the armor and gave it back at the airport when I left.

I don't think he'd suggest that the Israelis should alter their system.

108 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:01:58pm

re: #87 darthstar

Agreed. But I think Clinton was an opportunist. He knew when women were attracted to him and took advantage of the opportunity, not necessarily the person.

I don't think you can stick a cigar into an opportunity.

109 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:02:08pm

xre: #73 Gus 802

Did some quick research. He was became a member of the Georgia state bar on November 8, 2000. Currently he is an inactive member. Redstate began in May of 2004 so I will assume he was only an attorney for 4 years. He's 34 years old so that means he was admitted into the bar when he was 24 or right after graduating from Mercer University Walter F. George School of Law. He is listed at the Sell & Melton website and is listed as a member of the Georgia bar there however the Georgia Bar Association says otherwise.

You have to be a member of the bar in your state to be a practicing lawyer. Your state bar is the one who governs you, disciplines you, so you have to be a member. If someone is inactive, as Erickson is in Georgia, then he cannot practice law.

As to the law firm's website, often those things are not updated. Going to the state bar site is usually always up-to-date. I know FL is anyway.

110 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:02:18pm

OT:
The Obama Administration is suspending plans to send detainees back to Yemen following the Mutallab threat and ongoing issues in Yemen with al Qaeda.

111 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:02:24pm

When did being concerned about civil rights violations of american citizens become strictly a right wing issue? Shouldn't this concern anyone who considers themselves progressive? I'm a little disturbed by the whole "he'll get over it" attitude.

112 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:02:36pm

re: #104 The Sanity Inspector

You would have a hard time proving perjury. The testimony turned out to be immaterial, and the civil lawsuit was dismissed. Don't you think Kenneth Starr would have liked to indict him on something?

113 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:02:50pm

re: #108 Spare O'Lake

I don't think you can stick a cigar into an opportunity.

That's just sex play. There's nothing wrong with that.

114 brookly red  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:03:07pm

re: #110 lawhawk

OT:
The Obama Administration is suspending plans to send detainees back to Yemen following the Mutallab threat and ongoing issues in Yemen with al Qaeda.

Good.

115 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:03:36pm

re: #105 Mikko_Sandt

How is that affirmative action quote racist? It's merely cricitism of the kind of positive racism advocated by many on the left.

I wasn't asware that the Nobel Committee had an AA program in place. Care to enlighten us?

116 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:04:12pm

re: #111 RogueOne

When did being concerned about civil rights violations of american citizens become strictly a right wing issue? Shouldn't this concern anyone who considers themselves progressive? I'm a little disturbed by the whole "he'll get over it" attitude.


It's all part of the Repubs and Dems trading all the issues. The left was in a tizzy about civil rights violations, patriot act etc when Bush was in office. Now the right thinks it is an important issue. Crazy

117 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:04:18pm

re: #65 darthstar

My point was that Erick was probably too lazy to be a good lawyer. Sure, using "I'm a Lawyer" as a pick-up line in a bar might be fun, but all the paperwork, research, etc...BOOORING!...

re: #57 Girth

If you're smart you check the other side too. The best way to win a game is to know what plays the other guy is going to run.

Agreed, and I would argue that Erick has exactly the same failings as a blogger/'political activist' that he would have as a lawyer (and displayed on Colbert)-- a seemingly complete unawareness of what plays the other side runs.
In this he's a microcosm of what's happened to the right since the election. Sure, you have a party that lost an election and is bitter and in disarray-- but you also have an example to learn from, namely, how the left regrouped and the rise of the netroots. I truly thought the GOP would have regrouped faster. That they're incapable of it suggests to me that they no longer look closely at their opponent's moves and do not understand at all how the internet changes the game.

Erick is the perfect exemplar of that. I suppose he dreams of RS as being the right's response to Kos and especially FDL. And his idea of generating grass roots activism? "Send redstate 30 dollars and we'll send a teabag to your congressperson!"
Madness.

118 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:04:36pm

re: #83 Steve

I am waiting to hear more from Michael himself when he gets around to writing about it.

I think Michael deserves a little something in his tipjar for this. He's gone into harm's way any number of times to bring us fantastic stories and pictures. He oughtn't have to go through this indignity without his readership remembering him.

119 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:04:49pm

re: #115 MandyManners

I wasn't asware that the Nobel Committee had an AA program in place. Care to enlighten us?


They have a DA program in place.
//

120 brookly red  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:05:30pm

re: #115 MandyManners

I wasn't asware that the Nobel Committee had an AA program in place. Care to enlighten us?

/perhaps a few of them should be going to meetings?

121 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:05:47pm

re: #110 lawhawk

OT:
The Obama Administration is suspending plans to send detainees back to Yemen following the Mutallab threat and ongoing issues in Yemen with al Qaeda.

Next destination

SOMALIA
(job training openings,,, I hear they're expanding their Be A Pirate For A Day program!)
/

122 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:07:24pm

re: #115 MandyManners

I wasn't asware that the Nobel Committee had an AA program in place. Care to enlighten us?

DRINK!

{burp} ,, oh ,, , not THAT "AA"!!

123 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:07:35pm

re: #105 Mikko_Sandt

How is that affirmative action quote racist? It's merely cricitism of the kind of positive racism advocated by many on the left.

Here we go again. Is there anything you folks won't try to defend?

124 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:07:49pm

re: #119 rwdflynavy

They have a DA program in place.
//

DA!?!?
Ducks Ass!?!?!

125 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:08:01pm

Here is the latest comment from Yon:

Michael Yon Actually...the Gold Medal for border harassment goes to Israel. The U.S. gets the Silver on border bullying. Among the most professional that I've encountered is UAE (United Arab Emirates) and also Singapore. Very professional. UAE confiscated my body armor during one trip, but took good care of the armor and gave it back at the airport when I left. 22 minutes ago

126 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:08:03pm

re: #91 sattv4u2

WHAT!?!?!?

You really think a TSA agent stationed at an airport screening booth has what Yons financial transaction history is !?!?!

And it would be really chilling if they really were compiling financial dossiers like that on us, and handing them over to wand-waving functionaries at airport security.

127 recusancy  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:08:23pm

re: #111 RogueOne

When did being concerned about civil rights violations of american citizens become strictly a right wing issue? Shouldn't this concern anyone who considers themselves progressive? I'm a little disturbed by the whole "he'll get over it" attitude.

ummm.... When was it last a right wing issue? If I'm not mistaken it was the right wing who wants total lock down and profiling of travelers. It was the right wing who created the patriot act.

Since when did the right care about civil liberties that didn't involve paying taxes or owning guns? I'm glad the right is mad that this happened. Will they be mad when a Muslim American is given the same treatement?

128 Jaerik  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:08:50pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Ed Morrisey is demanding an apology from the government.

Nevermind that white, Christian, ex-military folk are terrorists sometimes too.

129 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:10:02pm

re: #112 SteveMcG

You would have a hard time proving perjury. The testimony turned out to be immaterial, and the civil lawsuit was dismissed. Don't you think Kenneth Starr would have liked to indict him on something?

There was enough to impeach him, which hadn't happened to a President in more than a century.

130 Girth  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:10:40pm

re: #117 iceweasel


In this he's a microcosm of what's happened to the right since the election. Sure, you have a party that lost an election and is bitter and in disarray-- but you also have an example to learn from, namely, how the left regrouped and the rise of the netroots. I truly thought the GOP would have regrouped faster. That they're incapable of it suggests to me that they no longer look closely at their opponent's moves and do not understand at all how the internet changes the game.

But the left is all godless commie nazi baby murdering gay pedophiles who hate America. We can't follow their lead. We have to stand for our principles. We can't study what these people do, we have to shun them and their words.
//

131 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:12:08pm

re: #126 The Sanity Inspector

And it would be really chilling if they really were compiling financial dossiers like that on us, and handing them over to wand-waving functionaries at airport security.

The PAulians have been freaking out over that for years.

132 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:12:23pm

re: #104 The Sanity Inspector

Don't go all Andrea Dworkin on us, now. Power is an aphrodisiac to a lot of people.

Clinton's crime was perjury, not adultery. There are people doing hard time for committing the same crime that he, the top law enforcement official, committed.

I was simply stating what I believe to be the applicable Canadian legal principle. It is the same reason that a child under 14 generally cannot legally consent to sex, or that a domestic employee under age 18 is in a legally protected position.
Let's face it - Clinton is a scumbag.

133 SteveMcG  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:12:27pm

re: #129 The Sanity Inspector

There was a Republican House, which was all you needed.

134 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:12:57pm

re: #103 Summer

While I think that Stewart is usually funnier, I think that there is something grander, more epic, about Colbert. What Colbert is doing, its not just finny news reporting, it's one man theater, a piece of performance art, and the fact that some people even wonder about where he is political spectrum just drives the point home all the further...

135 recusancy  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:14:12pm

re: #134 jamesfirecat

While I think that Stewart is usually funnier, I think that there is something grander, more epic, about Colbert. What Colbert is doing, its not just finny news reporting, it's one man theater, a piece of performance art, and the fact that some people even wonder about where he is political spectrum just drives the point home all the further...

Exactly. He's like a one man broadway act with new material every night.

136 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:14:25pm

re: #54 ausador

My mom is a compulsive packrat and constantly fills up every inch of space in the house, if you clean an area out she goes out and buys or finds more stuff to fill it up. My brother and I threw out a couple of tons of useless crap today getting it ready for the carpet cleaner. When dad comes home the living room, dining room and master bedroom will be cleaned and organized at least.

My late mother-in-law was like that. She compulsively collected crap. I think it was a Depression-era mindset.

137 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:14:44pm

re: #127 recusancy

You do know the vote break down for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, don't you?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

138 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:14:47pm

re: #113 darthstar

That's just sex play. There's nothing wrong with that.

You just said a mouthful. Don't bite off more than you can chew.

139 Lidane  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:15:35pm

OT, but can I vent about this idiocy for a moment? I will never, ever understand the need to so completely purge history and science textbooks of things that the far right don't like and the dismissal of critical thinking as "gobbledygook". This sort of deliberate ignorance blows my mind.

If I ever have children of my own, they're reading Howard Zinn and Richard Dawkins before they get to college so they're not completely unprepared when they get there. What is it with these people and their fear of real, solid information?

OK. Sorry about going off-topic, but I just had to let this out. :)

140 recusancy  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:16:34pm

re: #137 sattv4u2

You do know the vote break down for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, don't you?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

And then all the segregationist dixie crats turned to the Republican Party which welcomed them with open arms.

141 Girth  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:17:08pm

re: #134 jamesfirecat

While I think that Stewart is usually funnier, I think that there is something grander, more epic, about Colbert. What Colbert is doing, its not just finny news reporting, it's one man theater, a piece of performance art, and the fact that some people even wonder about where he is political spectrum just drives the point home all the further...

Agreed. Someday he'll branch out, and as much as I love the Report, I'm anxious to see what he'll do in the future.

142 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:17:44pm

re: #139 Lidane


If I ever have children of my own, they're reading Howard Zinn and Richard Dawkins before they get to college

My son goes to a private high school that, although not christian per se is based on christian principles and Dawkins is required reading from 6th grade up

143 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:18:06pm

re: #105 Mikko_Sandt

I would assume you weren't biased and not trying to play the "White victim" card except for the fact that you carry the niew recht supremacist Brussells Journal in your blog roll.

144 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:18:08pm

re: #132 Spare O'Lake

I was simply stating what I believe to be the applicable Canadian legal principle. It is the same reason that a child under 14 generally cannot legally consent to sex, or that a domestic employee under age 18 is in a legally protected position.
Let's face it - Clinton is a scumbag.

I get what you're saying, I think, but there is a problem with how you're wording it. Having authority isn't, by itself, sufficient to mean an abuse of authority. Women are often attracted to men with all sorts of power and authority, and of course sometimes they engage in consensual sex with them because of it. The only time it's an abuse of that authority is when the ability to consent is taken away from the women, or when that man has power over her-- the college professor having sex with his student, the boss making it clear that someone better put out, the police officer threatening arrest who demands sex.

Ironically, you've pointed out this very point with your choice of example-- to assume women can never consent to sex when the guy has any power or authority IS to treat her like a child, incapable of consent at any time. That's the difference.

145 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:18:19pm

re: #127 recusancy

So in other words you only care about civil rights violations when they happen to.....who? People of the correct political persuasion? You do realize in your response you made yourself sound just as bad as the right wingers you were deriding, right?

146 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:18:33pm

re: #139 Lidane

OT, but can I vent about this idiocy for a moment? I will never, ever understand the need to so completely purge history and science textbooks of things that the far right don't like and the dismissal of critical thinking as "gobbledygook". This sort of deliberate ignorance blows my mind.

If I ever have children of my own, they're reading Howard Zinn and Richard Dawkins before they get to college so they're not completely unprepared when they get there. What is it with these people and their fear of real, solid information?

OK. Sorry about going off-topic, but I just had to let this out. :)

Obama wants to educate our kids. The Right would rather throw them back to the 1st century where the world was still flat and dinosaur fossils were put there by God to test us.

Go figger.

147 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:18:40pm

I wager it's a fan of Fjordman too.

148 Mikko_Sandt  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:19:25pm

re: #123 Charles

Funny that you'd refer to me as "you folks" since I'm not even an American.

It is obvious that Obama's race plays a role, whether it's for good or bad. Pointing this out is not racism. I have a hard time believing a white Democrat president would've been nominated for Nobel only a month into his presidency or that a white presidential candidate with Obama's far-left stance would've won the elections in the first place. Race played a role and pointing it out is not racism.

149 SteveC  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:19:47pm

Small plane down near Wheeling, IL. Looking for the link.

150 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:20:15pm

re: #140 recusancy

And then all the segregationist dixie crats turned to the Republican Party which welcomed them with open arms.

Yeah ,,, like Al Gore Sr and Robert Byrd and ,,,,,,

151 recusancy  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:20:35pm

re: #145 RogueOne

So in other words you only care about civil rights violations when they happen to...who? People of the correct political persuasion? You do realize in your response you made yourself sound just as bad as the right wingers you were deriding, right?

Hu??

152 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:21:28pm

re: #148 Mikko_Sandt

Funny that you'd refer to me as "you folks" since I'm not even an American.

It is obvious that Obama's race plays a role, whether it's for good or bad. Pointing this out is not racism. I have a hard time believing a white Democrat president would've been nominated for Nobel only a month into his presidency or that a white presidential candidate with Obama's far-left stance would've won the elections in the first place. Race played a role and pointing it out is not racism.

Obama's a moderate, not a far-left progressive. Sometimes its best to stop digging when you're in a hole.

153 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:22:24pm

re: #145 RogueOne

re: #151 recusancy

Hu??

exactly!
{sigh}

154 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:22:33pm

re: #149 SteveC

Small plane down near Wheeling, IL. Looking for the link.

Learjet (?)

[Link: www.dailyherald.com...]

155 Mikko_Sandt  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:24:33pm

re: #143 Thanos

I don't consider the Brussels Journal "supremacist". If I did, it wouldn't be on my blogroll. I don't agree, or have to agree with everything that's written there (it represents conservatism, which I detest).

156 Girth  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:24:44pm

re: #148 Mikko_Sandt

Funny that you'd refer to me as "you folks" since I'm not even an American.

It is obvious that Obama's race plays a role, whether it's for good or bad. Pointing this out is not racism. I have a hard time believing a white Democrat president would've been nominated for Nobel only a month into his presidency or that a white presidential candidate with Obama's far-left stance would've won the elections in the first place. Race played a role and pointing it out is not racism.

A sack of flour would have been nominated for the Nobel if it had won the presidency as a democrat. It's the Nobel Prize for Being a Democrat after George W. Bush. Nothing more.

157 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:24:51pm

re: #74 Spare O'Lake

There is no real consent if sex is procured by the exercise of a position of overwhelming power.

Yes, we poor widdle women just can't help ourselves when confronted by a powerful men, especially overwhelming powerful men.

What a load of crap. Are you aware there are women who actually chase powerful men? Women for whom it's a game? Don't think that Lewinski was overpowered by him when she flipped her thong at him.

Jeebus! I find your sentence extremely annoying. No real consent my sweet okole!

158 recusancy  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:25:32pm

re: #153 sattv4u2

re: #151 recusancy

When you type {sigh} you sound really intelligent. I sure do feel dumb now.

159 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:25:40pm

re: #155 Mikko_Sandt

You are either an idiot or a bolverker then.

160 sattv4u2  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:26:38pm

re: #158 recusancy

When you type {sigh} you sound really intelligent. I sure do feel dumb now.

Because when you type HU that was an intellectual argument ender! I should have surrendered at "H"!

161 SteveC  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:27:08pm

re: #154 Gus 802

Learjet (?)

[Link: www.dailyherald.com...]

That looks like what I'm seeing on the TV. It's half in, half out of the water and broken up, you can't tell it was a Learjet.

Royal Air cargo jet that had just been cleared for landing.

162 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:27:18pm

re: #101 jamesfirecat

As I understood it, (at least with Lewinski) its not so much that Clinton even used his power as a bargaining chip (I've never heard anyone say that she only got the job because she was doing him) but that it might have been why they were drawn to him. Thus Clinton's "power" was only a passive fact, like how attractive someone is or how rich they were. Does anyone know Clinton ever engaging in a "tit for tat" (poor choice of words on reflection) sexual relationship?

Are you serious? The power imbalance between the POTUS and a young intern is about as active and ongoing as one can imagine.
Clinton held a HUGE THROBBING advantage which he shamelessly used to obtain cheap, tawdry sex in complete disregard for his wife's sensibilities.
Scumball is too good a word.

163 recusancy  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:27:28pm

re: #160 sattv4u2

Because when you type HU that was an intellectual argument ender! I should have surrendered at "H"!

It means explain your argument better. It made no sense.

164 Mikko_Sandt  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:30:01pm

re: #152 darthstar

Obama approached the political center as the elections neared (while McCain, unfortunately, headed in a reverse direction). However, now that he's in power, he has allowed far-left politicians such as Pelosi to do most of the work, at least in terms of domestic policy.

165 Gus  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:30:47pm

re: #161 SteveC

That looks like what I'm seeing on the TV. It's half in, half out of the water and broken up, you can't tell it was a Learjet.

Royal Air cargo jet that had just been cleared for landing.

Yeah, it's hard to tell what's in that photo.

Scooped up this report:

There are reports of a crash involving Royal Air Freight Flight 988 on approach to Chicago Executive Airport in Wheeling, Ill.

166 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:31:53pm

re: #164 Mikko_Sandt

Pelosi is far-left, sure. Her ties to corporate interest, developers, and the Democratic establishment aside, that is. I mean, aside from her being a typical corporate Democrat, she's totally far-left.

What are you talking about?

167 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:32:05pm

re: #151 recusancy

Hu??

My point is it shouldn't matter to you who else is pissed about the violation of Michael Yon's civil rights, all that matters is a respected journalist was asked illegitimate questions and illegally detained when he refused to answer. You shouldn't allow your political persuasion to color your judgment on what is right or wrong.

168 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:33:45pm

re: #144 iceweasel

I get what you're saying, I think, but there is a problem with how you're wording it. Having authority isn't, by itself, sufficient to mean an abuse of authority. Women are often attracted to men with all sorts of power and authority, and of course sometimes they engage in consensual sex with them because of it. The only time it's an abuse of that authority is when the ability to consent is taken away from the women, or when that man has power over her-- the college professor having sex with his student, the boss making it clear that someone better put out, the police officer threatening arrest who demands sex.

Ironically, you've pointed out this very point with your choice of example-- to assume women can never consent to sex when the guy has any power or authority IS to treat her like a child, incapable of consent at any time. That's the difference.

Exactly! I couldn't agree more, and you say it much better then I could.

Ding for you.

169 recusancy  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:34:53pm

re: #167 RogueOne

My point is it shouldn't matter to you who else is pissed about the violation of Michael Yon's civil rights, all that matters is a respected journalist was asked illegitimate questions and illegally detained when he refused to answer. You shouldn't allow your political persuasion to color your judgment on what is right or wrong.

It doesn't. I think it's wrong he has to go through the trouble and indignity. I just wish the right would think it's just as wrong if it happens to someone who isn't a white American. How is my judgment colored?

170 Mikko_Sandt  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:35:23pm

re: #159 Thanos

Funny how things change. I used to post here on a more regular basis a few years back and was constantly attacked by conservatices and now it seems to be the opposite.

171 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:36:37pm

re: #157 Kewalo

Yes, we poor widdle women just can't help ourselves when confronted by a powerful men, especially overwhelming powerful men.

What a load of crap. Are you aware there are women who actually chase powerful men? Women for whom it's a game? Don't think that Lewinski was overpowered by him when she flipped her thong at him.

Jeebus! I find your sentence extremely annoying. No real consent my sweet okole!

Yeah right, maybe the poor widdle POTUS was the victim of the big bad intern. I'm not saying she was an angel, but he took advantage of his position of supreme power. And then, after he stuck the cigars in her vagina, he kept them and passed one out to his buddy on the golf course...and if you think that's acceptable Presidential conduct then good for you. And a married man and a father to boot.
Shame on him.

172 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:37:06pm

re: #155 Mikko_Sandt

I don't consider the Brussels Journal "supremacist". If I did, it wouldn't be on my blogroll. I don't agree, or have to agree with everything that's written there (it represents conservatism, which I detest).

Really.

Are you aware that Brussels Journal is closely connected to the Belgian fascist party Vlaams Belang? Or do you have no problem with them either?

173 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:38:36pm

re: #162 Spare O'Lake

I'm not saying there wasn't a power imbalance I'm asking, did Clinton ever actively use that power in the sense of getting Miss Lewinski better pay,fewer working hours (leaving aside the hours when they were "working together") or something like that.

I ask because while Clinton clearly was committing adultery and then lied about it, I don't remember there ever being any issues raised of how Clinton was rewarding Miss Lewinski for the sexual favors she gave him.

Granted I was only 10 years old at the time so most of the scandal went right over my head and if I'm mistaken please correct me...

174 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:41:14pm

re: #157 Kewalo

Yes, we poor widdle women just can't help ourselves when confronted by a powerful men, especially overwhelming powerful men.

What a load of crap. Are you aware there are women who actually chase powerful men? Women for whom it's a game? Don't think that Lewinski was overpowered by him when she flipped her thong at him.

Jeebus! I find your sentence extremely annoying. No real consent my sweet okole!

So now Clinton is not just a sexual deviant scumbag, but a serial rapist?? Alrighty then!

The fact that he created millions of jobs, turned a million dollar deficit into a billion dollar surplus, reduced inflation to record lows not seen in 35 years, oh baby... I'd still do him.

175 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:42:24pm

re: #164 Mikko_Sandt

Yes, how dare our president allow the Legislative Branch of government to write, debate, and vote on whatever laws its wants to while he just sits back, offers a pep talk now and then, and finally decides weather or not he'll veto the bill that reaches his desk! Its an outrage I tell you an outrage!

I say we should give Barrack Obama the power to write his own laws, that way he won't be able to hide his communistic stance behind congress!

176 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:43:35pm

re: #171 Spare O'Lake

Yeah right, maybe the poor widdle POTUS was the victim of the big bad intern. I'm not saying she was an angel, but he took advantage of his position of supreme power. And then, after he stuck the cigars in her vagina, he kept them and passed one out to his buddy on the golf course...and if you think that's acceptable Presidential conduct then good for you. And a married man and a father to boot.
Shame on him.

I didn't call him a victim. But I also respect her enough to not consider her a victim either. IMO they were both victims of a political vendetta that went way too far. Without Ken Starr none of us would probably know about the affair and actually it was none of our business, even if he was POTUS. We don't own presidents lock, stock and penis.

I think the world of both JFK and FDR, both womanizers because I don't care about their personal sexual affairs. It was none of my business.

Obviously you do care about what they did, and I can tell from your post you've given it much more thought then I have.

177 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:44:21pm

re: #166 Obdicut

Pelosi is far-left, sure. Her ties to corporate interest, developers, and the Democratic establishment aside, that is. I mean, aside from her being a typical corporate Democrat, she's totally far-left.

What are you talking about?

To most Republicans, the entire Democratic party is FAR LEFT. Whateva.

178 Mikko_Sandt  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:45:07pm

re: #172 Charles

Your definition of "closely connected" being what exactly?

Does the blog, in your opinion, promote racism or racist policies advocated by Vlaams Belang?

179 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:45:10pm

re: #177 marjoriemoon

To most Republicans, the entire Democratic party is FAR LEFT. Whateva.

So what are Kucinich and Weiner, according to them? Martians?

180 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:45:59pm

re: #174 marjoriemoon

So now Clinton is not just a sexual deviant scumbag, but a serial rapist?? Alrighty then!

The fact that he created millions of jobs, turned a million dollar deficit into a billion dollar surplus, reduced inflation to record lows not seen in 35 years, oh baby... I'd still do him.

Are you sure you linked to the correct post? Because I agree with everything you said. Even the part about doing him...HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

181 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:47:02pm
182 Lidane  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:47:30pm

re: #179 Obdicut

So what are Kucinich and Weiner, according to them? Martians?

For that matter, what about Sanders? I guess he's from Neptune or something.

183 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:48:00pm

re: #181 Spare O'Lake

Dude, how dare you say that to her? That's a foul thing to say. How incredibly crude and rude of you.

184 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:49:27pm

re: #141 Girth

I disagree sadly, at this point seeing Stephen Colbert be anyone other than the Stephen Colbert of the Colber(silent T) Repor (silent T) would be like watching Micheal Jordon play baseball. Sometimes a person just does such a good job at something that the best thing to do is just sit back and watch them do it rather than trying to constantly find new occupations for them...

185 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:50:51pm
186 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:50:53pm

re: #184 jamesfirecat

He reminds me of Mark Twain, in a way, for his ability to do straight-faced hyperbole and to be simultaneously so hopeful and cynical about human nature.

Another one who nobody could imitate, Twain.

187 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:52:09pm

re: #183 Obdicut

Dude, how dare you say that to her? That's a foul thing to say. How incredibly crude and rude of you.

She's the one who said she'd do him.

188 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:53:26pm

re: #171 Spare O'Lake

Yeah right, maybe the poor widdle POTUS was the victim of the big bad intern. I'm not saying she was an angel, but he took advantage of his position of supreme power. And then, after he stuck the cigars in her vagina, he kept them and passed one out to his buddy on the golf course...and if you think that's acceptable Presidential conduct then good for you. And a married man and a father to boot.
Shame on him.

OH PLEEAASSE. Bill Clinton ALWAYS had it going on. He was/is an incredibly good looking man to begin with, charming, brilliant and the leader of the free world. He didn't have to hunt for women! He had t o pry them off him. Took advantage of women? They were willing participants.

In Hillary's book, she only believed Bill had ONE affair, with Monica. I don't know if that's true or just wishful thinking from a wife. I don't think what he did was admirable at all, but I do believe it's an issue between him and his wife and family and THAT'S IT. It has nothing whatsoever to do with running this country.

The Repubs had nothing on Clinton. Not a damn thing. This was the only thing they could point their family values finger at (because we know the Repubs are all as pure as the driven snow!!) and make a mockery of him and his family.

189 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:53:45pm

re: #180 Kewalo

Are you sure you linked to the correct post? Because I agree with everything you said. Even the part about doing him...HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I did :) I agreed with you too!

190 Mikko_Sandt  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:54:15pm

re: #166 Obdicut

Her ties to the corporate world are irrelevant. On social and economic issues, she constantly sides with the left-wing establishment. Does she favor any significant policy that'd put her near the political center?

191 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:54:32pm

re: #178 Mikko_Sandt

Your definition of "closely connected" being what exactly?

Well, when the wife of the owner Paul Belien is a parliamentary member of Vlaams Belang, that would seem to be a pretty close connection, don't you think?

Does the blog, in your opinion, promote racism or racist policies advocated by Vlaams Belang?

Absolutely. And worse. They've also posted articles praising the British National Party, the French National Front, and other neo-Nazi groups. The site is a freaking cesspool.

And I'm disgusted that you're actually going to try to defend them at my site.

192 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:57:02pm

re: #181 Spare O'Lake

Would you take a few cigars for him?
*spit*

Spit all ya want honey. George W Bush was one of this country's WORST president's ever. His approval rating was probably the lowest in all history.

Put Bill Clinton back in office any day. This country couldn't do better.

193 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:57:59pm

re: #181 Spare O'Lake

Would you take a few cigars for him?
*spit*

And from the looks of him, I don't think I'd have to.

(The hands/feet index ya know).

194 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:59:23pm

re: #187 Spare O'Lake

Here's a tip: If a woman says she'd do a guy, it doesn't immediately give you license to ask what she'd do with him. Especially not if you spit afterwards.

Have some common decency.

re: #190 Mikko_Sandt

Yes. Siding with the left-wing establishment puts her at the political center.

I'm not sure what you're not getting about that.
re: #193 marjoriemoon


Good on ya for being classy and having a sense of humor.

195 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 12:59:39pm
196 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 1:03:10pm

re: #194 Obdicut

Here's a tip: If a woman says she'd do a guy, it doesn't immediately give you license to ask what she'd do with him. Especially not if you spit afterwards.

Have some common decency.

re: #190 Mikko_Sandt

Yes. Siding with the left-wing establishment puts her at the political center.

I'm not sure what you're not getting about that.
re: #193 marjoriemoon

Good on ya for being classy and having a sense of humor.

It's refreshing for me to finally have a little support! hehe

I love Bill Clinton. I always have, always will. I love Hillary too. But I would have loved Bill if he was 5'2" and had a face like a troll. Her too.

Thanks for noticing my humor. Sometimes I don't get that out very well.

197 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 1:09:04pm

re: #192 marjoriemoon

I think it's a safe bet that if it had been allowed, Bill Clinton would have trounced George W Bush if he'd run for a third term as President. I mean after all look at those numbers Image: File:Clinton_approval_rating.png

Wonder what the world would have been like if it hadn't been like if that had happened....

198 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 1:14:53pm

re: #197 jamesfirecat

I think it's a safe bet that if it had been allowed, Bill Clinton would have trounced George W Bush if he'd run for a third term as President. I mean after all look at those numbers [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Wonder what the world would have been like if it hadn't been like if that had happened...

Indeed. You're talking the 2000 election. Bad thing to talk about to a Leftie. Particularly a Leftie voting in South Florida (like moi).

I actually met Bill twice. Well "met", not personally, but I was at two rallies where he was and shook his hand at one. He has this uncanny ability to make you think he's talking to only you. He has a sense of real interest in his audience. He connects with people, even masses of people. I've always admired people like this. It's not a trait I think I could ever have.

199 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 1:20:39pm

re: #189 marjoriemoon

I just went back and reread your post to me and see I misunderstood it.

Maybe Hillary does want to believe that Monica was the only one, but I find that hard to believe. IMO he's still a player and will be until the day he dies. But it's none of my business or anyone elses either. But then, I don't fantasize about cigars like some people. /

200 Sinistershade  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 1:31:59pm

re: #116 rwdflynavy

It's all part of the Repubs and Dems trading all the issues. The left was in a tizzy about civil rights violations, patriot act etc when Bush was in office. Now the right thinks it is an important issue. Crazy

I assure you, there are those on the left who are very concerned about the police power and civil rights excesses of both the current and previous administrations. Glenn Greenwald comes to mind.

201 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 1:50:13pm

re: #199 Kewalo

I just went back and reread your post to me and see I misunderstood it.

Maybe Hillary does want to believe that Monica was the only one, but I find that hard to believe. IMO he's still a player and will be until the day he dies. But it's none of my business or anyone elses either. But then, I don't fantasize about cigars like some people. /

I was so angry at Spare O Lake, I didn't want to respond to him (although I did anyway), so I placed my comment to you. I'm glad you got it!

Years ago, the mere mention of Clinton's name would send the lizards into epileptic fits, as they gloated over Reagan as a King among men. Yea, trickle down economics. There's a bright idea.

202 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:04:38pm

re: #201 marjoriemoon

I was pissed too and came off a little stronger to him then I might have otherwise. That poor widdle woman doesn't know what she's doing around powerful men always hits me the wrong way. Iceweasle handled it beautifully I thought. But I was just a tad annoyed (a lot actually).

I wonder if some men can't see how chauvinistic that attitude appears. Although I have seen it in a few women too and they pissed off worse, because they should know better.

203 celticdragon  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:12:34pm

re: #93 Girth

No, the entire federal government should stop work at 3:02 pm tomorrow. Armed forces, TSA, bureaucrats, Congress, Obama, everyone. Everyone will face in the direction of Ed, and apologize.

If the cute, blonde gal from Iceland who was abusively detained by TSA for two days without food or rest couldn't get an apology when it was demanded face to face from the PM of Iceland to our ambassador, I don't think Mr Yon has a chance.

Our State Department said the incident was "regrettable". I am surprised that Iceland has not retaliated the way that Brazil has by deliberately singling out American tourists for the hell of it and fucking with them at customs.

204 celticdragon  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:17:00pm

re: #198 marjoriemoon

Indeed. You're talking the 2000 election. Bad thing to talk about to a Leftie. Particularly a Leftie voting in South Florida (like moi).

I actually met Bill twice. Well "met", not personally, but I was at two rallies where he was and shook his hand at one. He has this uncanny ability to make you think he's talking to only you. He has a sense of real interest in his audience. He connects with people, even masses of people. I've always admired people like this. It's not a trait I think I could ever have.

I met Bill at an appearance at our base in South Korea. I don't think he really looked at me, but Hillary did. A bunch of the other soldiers were yelling "Hillary! Hillary!". While not even remotely a fan of either of the Clintons, I thought it was profoundly disrespectful to yell out the name of the First Lady that way. When she came to me, I extended my hand and said "Ma'am".

She looked at me for a moment, and said quietly (I had to read her lips, somewhat) "Thank you."

205 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:23:44pm

I know, I'm late to the party. I'm surprised, however, to see that nobody mentioned Erick Erickson's other gig. He's an elected city councilman in Macon, Georgia. Fortunately for me, I only read about the city and its government in the paper, I don't live there. Still, I wonder when he's running for re-election, and what effect his Colbert appearance will have on that.

206 darthstar  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:25:26pm

re: #205 kirkspencer

Or higher office, if he's arrogant enough to think he's qualified.

207 Mikko_Sandt  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:34:57pm

re: #191 Charles

It may hurt their objectivity but that's not the same as endorsing the party. It's more likely the blog simply refrains from criticizing the party beyond a certain point.

The rise of far-right parties in Europe is concerning but it's a result of the fact that mainstream parties have chosen to ignore the immigration issue. I agree that these parties are just as big a threat to liberalism (see the classical meaning of the term, not its contemporary meaning) as Islam is but at least they've brought attention to the issue. Either these far-right parties make some small gains now or huge gains in the future if the immigration issue is ignored until it's too late and we have a civil war in our hands.

Which is also why some specific policies these parties advocate should be endorsed just to make it clear to mainstream parties that they need to start talking about these issues as well. When they do, we can and should ignore the far-right.

208 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:35:11pm

re: #178 Mikko_Sandt

For a history of the problems with the Brussels Journal you could start here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

209 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:35:54pm

re: #207 Mikko_Sandt


Which is also why some specific policies these parties advocate should be endorsed just to make it clear to mainstream parties that they need to start talking about these issues as well. When they do, we can and should ignore the far-right.

Like what policies, exactly?

210 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:38:54pm

re: #207 Mikko_Sandt

I long ago passed the point where I would tolerate crap like this being spread at LGF. Go away, you're not welcome to post comments at my site.

211 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:45:03pm

re: #207 Mikko_Sandt

Accepting Fascists because they agree with you on some points proves that you are an idiot. Fascists will always agree with everyone "on some points" - and they will always carry whatever the popular banner of the day is, just as 9/11 Troofers will. Using one bias to justify accommodating another just proves you have zero principles and are as dangerous as the evils you accommodate.

212 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:51:14pm

re: #181 Spare O'Lake

Utterly disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself. And you're the one who has a meltdown when a liberal says 'fuck'???

I couldn't have hoped for a better example of how the people screeching about 'civility' by focusing on naughty words are often the same shitheads who lack all common decency.

213 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:55:04pm

re: #202 Kewalo

re: #201 marjoriemoon

I'm so fucking angry I need to log off for awhile. Kudos to you both for maintaining your selves.

cheers-- ice.

214 celticdragon  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:56:07pm

re: #207 Mikko_Sandt

re: #210 Charles

Unfortunately, he may have a point.

Democracies do tend to have a "pendulum" cycle between their respective parties and policies. (Mexico is a notable exception)

However, unassuaged anger can effectively break the system and allow for a malignant political player to get in. If the people in a given country are deeply unhappy about a social problem (in this case, unassimilated and hostile Muslim immigrants) and the accepted political parties are not taking notice, than bad actors like Vlaams Belang start getting noticed.

It may hurt their objectivity but that's not the same as endorsing the party. It's more likely the blog simply refrains from criticizing the party beyond a certain point.

I note that the MSM in this country does not call out batshit insane people like Glen Beck, FWIW. When you have some idiot in Pennsylvania trying to get Intelligent Design into the school curriculum, the MSM goes into false equivalency mode and reports "The controversy" and treats the wacko's viewpoint as being equally valid. I don't know if Mikko Sandt is correct, but the model does apply here in the US.

215 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:56:41pm

re: #212 iceweasel

Utterly disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself. And you're the one who has a meltdown when a liberal says 'fuck'???

I couldn't have hoped for a better example of how the people screeching about 'civility' by focusing on naughty words are often the same shitheads who lack all common decency.

You totally deserve an upding for this wonderful rant. Bravo!

216 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 2:59:29pm

re: #213 iceweasel

re: #201 marjoriemoon

I'm so fucking angry I need to log off for awhile. Kudos to you both for maintaining your selves.

cheers-- ice.

I would not have guessed you were angry when you answered him and was quite admiring you for your calm. But you know, he probably won't get it, those type of men rarely do. Thank God there are so many other good ones.

But beware the men that get upset when a woman says fuck. HAHAHAHA!!

217 celticdragon  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:00:17pm

re: #195 Spare O'Lake

Utterly uncouth and vile.

Please go somewhere else. Townhall.com should be a better fit to your proclivities for fetishistic innuendo

218 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:02:53pm

re: #181 Spare O'Lake

re: #195 Spare O'Lake

Disgusting.

219 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:43:54pm

re: #216 Kewalo

I would not have guessed you were angry when you answered him and was quite admiring you for your calm. But you know, he probably won't get it, those type of men rarely do. Thank God there are so many other good ones.

But beware the men that get upset when a woman says fuck. HAHAHAHA!!

Wow, cheers Kewalo-- I had to log off for awhile. I was genuinely angrier than I ever have been at something here. And a lot of people would be surprised to think of me as 'calm'.

And you're right about the point about bewaring of men who have issues when a woman says fuck. (click my avatar. ;) ) I was just remembering a converstaion I had here with a since-banned poster, who responded to some points of mine once with a tirade about my language, and whose only responses eventually were to quote me and say'charming'.

I asked him if he'd ever felt the need to inform a male poster, in the context of a political discussion, that he wasn't 'charming' enough for his standards. Naturally he didn't get it.

When he persisted, I told him the Victorian Era had called, and said he could cram his double standards right up his ass.

We should never conflate civility with decency. The former is merely about conventions regarding mutable words and manners, and is much obsessed upon by those utterly lacking the latter.

Excellent points by you in this thread btw, and I agree with all of them-- esp about Clinton. And I'd do him too, so there. :)

220 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 4:54:34pm

re: #204 celticdragon

I met Bill at an appearance at our base in South Korea. I don't think he really looked at me, but Hillary did. A bunch of the other soldiers were yelling "Hillary! Hillary!". While not even remotely a fan of either of the Clintons, I thought it was profoundly disrespectful to yell out the name of the First Lady that way. When she came to me, I extended my hand and said "Ma'am".

She looked at me for a moment, and said quietly (I had to read her lips, somewhat) "Thank you."

Wow you really did meet her! What a great story.

I shook his hand at a John Kerry rally actually! Ugh. I wasn't a Kerry fan, but a co-worker heard Clinton would be in downtown Miami with other favorite Dems, Bob Graham (former FL Gov, then Senator), Carrie Meek, my Congresswoman and her son, Kendrick who has her seat now and is the Dem who will run against the winner of the Rubio/Crist cage match (heh) for the Senate seat. Kendrick is a wonderful man, btw.

So it was a great ticket, small venue, free, I figured maybe we'll get up close. We did, up to the stage and when Clinton leaned over to shake hands, I grabbed the opportunity. Oh, they had a nice jazz trio playing, too. Was a lot of fun.

221 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:03:10pm

re: #217 celticdragon

Utterly uncouth and vile.

Please go somewhere else. Townhall.com should be a better fit to your proclivities for fetishistic innuendo

Your choice of TownHall is apt. Quite a few right wing blogs obsess over never using any of the seven banned words for broadcast, or even using a word like 'jackass' -- but have no problem whatsoever countenancing the most vile sorts of speech (and associations).

Ace o Spades comes to mind as but one example. Here is a link to another blog reproducing the deranged, vile, and misogynstic rant he unleashed against Contessa Brewer, - the sorts of things his subliterate, submoronic commentators applaud as 'wit' -- right after a plea for 'civility' from those same freakazoids. (by which he means 'let's not use the c word'.)

i suggest those who are confused about the difference between civility and decency meditate upon this post for as long as it takes.

222 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:44:47pm

re: #221 iceweasel

Ace o Spades comes to mind as but one example. Here is a link to another blog reproducing the deranged, vile, and misogynstic rant he unleashed against Contessa Brewer

Ugh, that wasn't just vile, it was frightening - the sort of thing I'd expect to be found in the notebook of someone later arrested for "Law and Order SUV"-type crimes. I daresay that, had Ace of Spades sent that to Brewer directly, she'd be completely justified in filing criminal harassment charges.

223 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:46:49pm

re: #222 publicityStunted

"Law and Order SUV"

{sigh}...the one time I don't use "Preview". Law and Order SVU

224 celticdragon  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 5:55:46pm

re: #221 iceweasel

That link was horrifying.

225 celticdragon  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:05:40pm

re: #214 celticdragon

Ouch. Charles down dinged me!

That actually hurt. :(

226 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 5, 2010 6:27:01pm

re: #219 iceweasel

I'm going to look forward to reading more of your posts, I'm relatively new and still finding my sea legs (so to speak).

I love your avatar and I was sickened by the rant at TBoggs. That was posted by Ace the worst type of man...

BTW in case you missed it, I congratulated you on your new marriage. I hope many years of happiness for the two of you.

I have some chores to do but will back later.

227 suchislife  Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:09:28am

re: #132 Spare O'Lake

Sorry to downding on a dead thread, but you're implying that any sex a President has is due to his power equivalent to sex without consent, i.e. rape, (do you make an exception for the President's spouse? If so, why?) and I think that's highly insulting to victims of actual rape.

228 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:23:21am

re: #227 suchislife

Sorry to downding on a dead thread, but you're implying that any sex a President has is due to his power equivalent to sex without consent, i.e. rape, (do you make an exception for the President's spouse? If so, why?) and I think that's highly insulting to victims of actual rape.

What on earth are you talking about?

229 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:29:09am

re: #228 Spare O'Lake

What on earth are you talking about?

The comments you had deleted.

You know, the ones you felt the need to apologise to Kewalo for making.

I must say, it's starting to look like you didn't really mean that apology. Especially given your need to only reply on this thread only this morning, and in this fashion, and then go on to make comments like this.

Which you've done before and been called out for.


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