Scott Lively is one of the religious right evangelists identified by the New York Times as an enabler of Uganda’s insane death penalty law for homosexuals.
Here’s a video posted by Box Turtle Bulletin with a closer look at Scott Lively’s “philosophy,” and what he described as a “nuclear bomb against the gay agenda in Uganda.”
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:22:10pm |
I imagine the "gay agenda" in Uganda revolves primarily around having enough food to eat, and not getting killed by religious atavists.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:23:00pm |
friggin crackpot....his only expertise is promoting himself and his selfish agenda....you'd think there were better ways to spend his time but his narcissism overwhelms him...he's somebody
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:25:02pm |
Repost from the last thread, but it is as true in this one, if not more so:
I believe that the kind of bill we are seeing is exactly what these Christianists would like to put in place in the United States if they ever had the chance.
However, as Charles pointed out in his bloggingheads interview, this is part of a larger worldview, one that includes creationism, a visceral hatred of gay people, and a anti-science agenda that includes climate change denial.
These people are dangerous, and they need to be exposed. What Charles is doing is amicable and needs to be applauded.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:27:40pm |
re: #4 Gus 802
Scott Lively is an evil man.
inspired by god no less...he a judge and jury unto himself...his motivation is pious...in other words a lunatic
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:28:53pm |
re: #2 albusteve
friggin crackpot...his only expertise is promoting himself and his selfish agenda...you'd think there were better ways to spend his time but his narcissism overwhelms him...he's somebody
If we're lucky, he'll get to be "Somebody" for the 15 minutes required by the contract. No more.
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:29:04pm |
Another aspect of the Christianist agenda that I did not mention above is their motive behind their support for Israel - namely the belief that once all Jews are in Israel once more, we will witness the second coming, during which the Jews will convert of be destroyed.
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:29:26pm |
Theres so much good stuff in there!
The 'super macho' being one step from 'monster', the poor spinster sister, the LOLNAZIS, his creepy dwelling on adult/teen gay relationships, the zaniness of 'attempted homosexuality' crimes, his 'I know more about this' like (yeah I bet)...
I mean its terrible, but theres so much absurdity that one insensitive part of my mind has to grin at the stupid.
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Locker Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:29:26pm |
What boggles my mind is the attitude of "righteousness" partnered with such sadistic evil.
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Racer X Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:30:06pm |
I just got off the phone with Jesus. Man is he pissed!
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Kewalo Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:30:43pm |
The gay agenda according to Mark Fiore
[Link: www.markfiore.com...]
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:31:11pm |
re: #11 Racer X
I just got off the phone with Jesus. Man is he pissed!
Call him back. Apologize profusely!
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:31:49pm |
re: #6 SteveC
dude's been around a while tho'...
I never really bought the 'homophobes are just afraid of their own feelings' line, but doesn't that guy just project subliminated guilt?
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:31:59pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:32:02pm |
re: #6 SteveC
If we're lucky, he'll get to be "Somebody" for the 15 minutes required by the contract. No more.
I have little respect for intrusive people that won't mind their own godamned business...apparently he believes in god...if so i hope he gets fucked over when his time comes
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:32:22pm |
re: #10 Locker
What boggles my mind is the attitude of "righteousness" partnered with such sadistic evil.
Because you can Hide it by saying you are standing with God..
How much evil has been committed in the name of God?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:32:42pm |
re: #11 Racer X
Would you please tell him that I'm not the one who drank all his wine?
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Locker Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:33:05pm |
re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth
Would you please tell him that I'm not the one who drank all his wine?
I am, however, the one who smoked all his green.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:33:22pm |
What. The. Fuck.
It takes a lot to enrage me, and this evil asshole managed to do it in one minute.
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transient Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:33:31pm |
Godwin's law. He loses.
Impressively dense concentration of bullsh*t, though.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:33:36pm |
maybe the Pope oughta get off his butt and smack this guy publically
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Vambo Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:33:49pm |
Great, Uganda can be the new post-Hussein Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8204853.stm
"We've heard stories confirmed by doctors of men having their anuses glued and then being force-fed laxatives which leads to a very painful death," says Ms Moumneh told the BBC.
somehow, I feel like the gay agenda could only less frightening than the anti-gay agenda.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:34:26pm |
re: #11 Racer X
I just got off the phone with Jesus. Man is he pissed!
I keep going to voicemail...
*wink*
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Gus Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:34:59pm |
Google search - "scott lively" site:wnd.com - World Net Daily + Scott Lively
As I indicated earlier, Molotov Mitchell is a regular at World Net Daily. Now we find that World Net Daily is a frequent promoter of Scott Lively.
Between February 4th and 6th of this year, World Net Daily editor in chief, Jospeh Farah, will be speaking at the first National Tea Party Convention.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:35:28pm |
re: #17 HoosierHoops
Because you can Hide it by saying you are standing with God..
How much evil has been committed in the name of God?
An huge portion of humanity's history, has been comitted in the name of God. Much of it evil.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:36:32pm |
re: #26 Gus 802
Google search - "scott lively" site:wnd.com - World Net Daily + Scott Lively
As I indicated earlier, Molotov Mitchell is a regular at World Net Daily. Now we find that World Net Daily is a frequent promoter of Scott Lively.
Between February 4th and 6th of this year, World Net Daily editor in chief, Jospeh Farah, will be speaking at the first National Tea Party Convention.
Is anyone still wondering why I seem to be so negative toward the teabaggers?
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:36:44pm |
re: #26 Gus 802
Google search - "scott lively" site:wnd.com - World Net Daily + Scott Lively
As I indicated earlier, Molotov Mitchell is a regular at World Net Daily. Now we find that World Net Daily is a frequent promoter of Scott Lively.
Between February 4th and 6th of this year, World Net Daily editor in chief, Jospeh Farah, will be speaking at the first National Tea Party Convention.
It's like connect-the-dots of Fucking Crazy.
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:36:59pm |
re: #19 Locker
I am, however, the one who smoked all his green.
Straight to hell. Window seat! :)
///
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:37:00pm |
re: #27 Floral Giraffe
Careful now. You may just be opening up the boarder to immigrants from Tu Quoqueistan with that one.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:37:06pm |
re: #4 Gus 802
Scott Lively is an evil man.
A little of what Lively believes (from BTB):
"
He regularly describes gays as being sick and “followers of the Father of Lies.” When the Watchmen On the Walls held a rally in Novosibirsk, Russia, Lively excused Satander Singh’s murder in Sacramento. Lively contends that “civilization and homosexuals” are engaged in a full-blown war, which is part of the Devil’s design to destroy civilizations:There is a war that is going on in the world. There is a war that is waging across the entire face of the globe. It’s been waging in the United States for decades, and it’s been waging in Europe for decades. It’s a war between Christians and homosexuals. … Now, the homosexual movement has been winning this war in the United States, and it has been winning this war in Europe. And we’re looking at the future collapse of Western civilization.
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Locker Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:38:16pm |
re: #30 SteveC
Straight to hell. Window seat! :)
///
I hope there is a stop over so I can pick up a few pounds of Purgatory Purple. That shit is a killer.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:38:50pm |
re: #27 Floral Giraffe
An huge portion of humanity's history, has been comitted in the name of God. Much of it evil.
seems as tho god's perfect images are out of control
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Linden Arden Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:39:02pm |
"Jesus merely raised one hand a few inches and a yawning chasm opened in the earth, stretching far and wide enough to swallow all of them. They tumbled in, howling and screeching, but their wailing was soon quashed and all was silent when the earth closed itself again."
-- From Glorious Appearing by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins
"The best thing about the Left Behind books is the way the non-Christians get their guts pulled out by God."
-- 15-year old fundamentalist fan of the Left Behind series
Scratch LaHaye and you’ll find an honest-to-god surviving John Bircher. In the 1960s when LaHaye was a young up-and-coming Baptist preacher fresh out of Bob Jones University, he lectured on behalf of Republican Robert Welch’s John Birch Society. We are talking about a man who believed Dwight Eisenhower was an agent of the Communist Party taking orders from his brother, Milt Eisenhower. Along the way LaHaye extended his paranoid list of villains to include secular humanists who "are Satan’s agents hiding behind the Constitution." And the only way to destroy them is to destroy their cover.
Joe Bageant 2005
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:39:03pm |
I only watched the first third or so. Seen one of these guys, seen em all; but I must say that I've heard of Nazis being blamed on Darwin and of course on atheists, but I never actually heard of Nazis being blamed on homosexuals.
Amazing how useful a boogeyman can be, even to supposed adults.
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:39:25pm |
re: #35 albusteve
You know how it is; original sin and all that Jazz.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:39:52pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:39:52pm |
Even I dismissed the allegations that American Christians were involved is this. It just seemed evil and cruel beyond belief. It does appear that they were indeed involved. I don't know how they live with themselves.
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Locker Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:40:02pm |
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:40:12pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:40:22pm |
More "mainstreaming" of the Tea Partiers.
I know nothing about "The week dot com" it's a link from a formerly rational "right wing" site.
[Link: www.theweek.com...]
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:40:33pm |
re: #40 Killgore Trout
Even I dismissed the allegations that American Christians were involved is this. It just seemed evil and cruel beyond belief. It does appear that they were indeed involved. I don't know how they live with themselves.
If had not been exposed I think they would have been rather smug about it.
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Kewalo Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:41:07pm |
re: #28 Charles
Is anyone still wondering why I seem to be so negative toward the teabaggers?
I thought it was because you are a sane person.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:41:11pm |
re: #42 windsagio
You really really don't want to know :P
I'm old enough to hear it. Are you old enough to tell?
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:41:18pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:41:25pm |
re: #12 Kewalo
The gay agenda according to Mark Fiore
[Link: www.markfiore.com...]
It always sounds like more fun when the homophobes describe it...
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:41:30pm |
re: #38 windsagio
You know how it is; original sin and all that Jazz.
sure...there is always an excuse...in the meantime where are the lightning bolts and salt pillars when you need them....is this where we are supposed to pray?
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John Neverbend Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:41:54pm |
re: #37 Naso Tang
I must say that I've heard of Nazis being blamed on Darwin and of course on atheists, but I never actually heard of Nazis being blamed on homosexuals.
Yes, it's a new one for me as well. Two other popular "causes" are Wagner and Nietzsche.
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Racer X Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:42:44pm |
re: #40 Killgore Trout
Even I dismissed the allegations that American Christians were involved is this. It just seemed evil and cruel beyond belief. It does appear that they were indeed involved. I don't know how they live with themselves.
They gheys are the evil. They baked themselves martyr cookies and held a prayer vigil.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:43:14pm |
re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth
Careful now. You may just be opening up the boarder to immigrants from Tu Quoqueistan with that one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Commies. We hoid it, we hoid it.
//
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:43:36pm |
re: #32 iceweasel
Lively contends that “civilization and homosexuals” are engaged in a full-blown war, which is part of the Devil’s design to destroy civilizations:
Civilization and homosexuals - interesting contrast there.
Now, the homosexual movement has been winning this war in the United States, and it has been winning this war in Europe.
/blockquote>Are you from the South or ever spent any time here, Ice? If you have, you know the proper fire breathin', devil stompin' way of pronouncing that word is "Homersuhxxxual!"
And you *spit* that last syllable out like a bad boiled peanut.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:44:27pm |
re: #32 iceweasel
Can someone explain to me what gay people could possibly do that would destroy Western Civilization? Are they congenitally sloppy with the launch codes or something?
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:45:00pm |
re: #33 Locker
I hope there is a stop over so I can pick up a few pounds of Purgatory Purple. That shit is a killer.
Yea the problem with purgatory is the wait...You may have to wait a Million years to smoke that number..It's purgatory purple dude...
It's like God thought he'd invent some Government agency between heaven and Hell and make you wait..and wait...and wait...In purgatory..(Hope there is cable)
/Oh good...the number is up to 6,321,764,001 on the now serving display...
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:45:18pm |
re: #38 windsagio
You know how it is; original sin and all that Jazz.
Jazz is not Sin! Ask Charles!!!
// Hip Hop, that's pretty damn close.
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:45:29pm |
re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist
Can someone explain to me what gay people could possibly do that would destroy Western Civilization? Are they congenitally sloppy with the launch codes or something?
TEH GHEYS HATES CIVILISATION AN STOLE MAH BUKKETT!!!11
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:45:35pm |
re: #37 Naso Tang
I only watched the first third or so. Seen one of these guys, seen em all; but I must say that I've heard of Nazis being blamed on Darwin and of course on atheists, but I never actually heard of Nazis being blamed on homosexuals.
Amazing how useful a boogeyman can be, even to supposed adults.
It's actually fairly common to try to link the Nazis with homosexuality. Dumb, but common.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:45:51pm |
re: #56 SteveC
Jazz is not Sin! Ask Charles!!!
// Hip Hop, that's pretty damn close.
D.I.S.C.O. 'Nuff said.
/
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Locker Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:47:04pm |
re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist
Can someone explain to me what gay people could possibly do that would destroy Western Civilization? Are they congenitally sloppy with the launch codes or something?
I think their definition of Western Civilization really means Christian Superiority. In this particular context.
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cliffster Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:47:20pm |
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Gus Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:47:32pm |
re: #32 iceweasel
Thanks. Yes, it's pretty clear that Scott Lively is demonizing gays with the false Nazi comparisons to meet a sinister goal.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:48:15pm |
re: #40 Killgore Trout
Even I dismissed the allegations that American Christians were involved is this. It just seemed evil and cruel beyond belief. It does appear that they were indeed involved. I don't know how they live with themselves.
More than involved. They're the architects of the policy and its intellectual forebears.
NPR had an interview with Jeff Sharlet back in November that gives a great deal of detail about the Family and Uganda's death penalty for gays:
GROSS: Let's talk about The Family's connection to Uganda, where there's a, really a draconian anti-gay bill that has been introduced into parliament. Uganda already punishes the practice of homosexuality with life in prison. What would the new legislation do?
Mr. SHARLET: Well, the new legislation adds to this something called aggravated homosexuality. And this can include, for instance, if a gay man has sex with another man who is disabled, that's aggravated homosexuality, and that man can be - I suppose both, actually, could be put to death for this. The use of any drugs or any intoxicants in seeking gay sex - in other words, you go to a bar and you buy a guy a drink, you're subject to the death penalty if you go home and sleep together after that. What it also does is it extends this outward, so that if you know a gay person and you don't report it, that could mean - you don't report your son or daughter, you can go to prison.
And it goes further, to say that any kind of promotion of these ideas of homosexuality, including by foreigners, can result in prison terms. Talking about same sex-marriage positively can lead you to imprisonment for life. And it's really kind of a perfect case study in the export of a lot of American, largely evangelical ideas about homosexuality exported to Uganda, which then takes them to their logical end.
There is much more at that link about the financial connections between Uganda and the Family.
(All this information is also available in Charles's prior post on the subject and that comment thread.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:48:20pm |
In other news, there's this guy in Australia, who made his fourteen-year-old son have sex with a prostitute because he was afraid the child was gay.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:48:22pm |
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:48:31pm |
so this is how the civilized West helps to lift third world black Africa out of the middle ages?....something tells me they would be better off left without our godly influence...this story is like something from the early 1800's....Lively is on a fast track back in time when white men pitted black Africa against each other for colonial gain....the more I think about it the more I see this as genocidal
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:48:53pm |
re: #61 Locker
I think their definition of Western Civilization really means Christian Superiority. In this particular context.
A particular, fundamentalist brand, of twisted, sinister and contemptible Christianity.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:48:56pm |
re: #60 SteveC
I stole second base once... *Blush*
"Where a man who's got religion'll tell you if your sin's original.."
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:50:13pm |
re: #63 Gus 802
Thanks. Yes, it's pretty clear that Scott Lively is demonizing gays with the false Nazi comparisons to meet a sinister goal.
He's written an entire book promiting his form of holocaust revisionism blaming the Nazi party on the ghey. The Pink Swastika. I couldn't make a google cache link work, but I bet you could find us a lot of goodies.
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erraticsphinx Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:50:13pm |
Charles, why are you talking about this?
What happened to this blog? *glenn beck style tears*
And...the Muslims will be worse, we must not let our eyes off that threat.
*random babbling*
/////Oh, I have a gay friend who agrees with me about the homosexual agenda too.
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John Neverbend Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:50:26pm |
re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist
It's actually fairly common to try to link the Nazis with homosexuality. Dumb, but common.
The founder of the Sturmabteilung was gay, and no doubt some dumbasses will use the "ab uno disce omnes" argument.
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Racer X Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:50:27pm |
re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist
Can someone explain to me what gay people could possibly do that would destroy Western Civilization? Are they congenitally sloppy with the launch codes or something?
I had gay roommates for several years. Damn neat freaks.
/
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:50:36pm |
re: #46 Naso Tang
I'm old enough to hear it. Are you old enough to tell?
More worried about striking the hwole blog blind ;)
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:51:59pm |
re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist
Can someone explain to me what gay people could possibly do that would destroy Western Civilization? Are they congenitally sloppy with the launch codes or something?
Yeah, the last time I found a copy of the gay agenda under my couch it said this:
1. Be treated as equals.
2. Spend time with friends and family.
3. Buy milk.
Maybe they put the stuff about western civ in invisible ink...
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cliffster Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:52:00pm |
As an aside, I submit that if you push death penalty for homosexuality, then you are neither Christian nor Right.
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:52:13pm |
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone....
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John Neverbend Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:52:15pm |
re: #76 windsagio
More worried about striking the hwole blog blind ;)
Did it by any chance involve a politician and a trained cormorant?
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:52:43pm |
re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist
My understanding is that they'll sap our population growth by recruiting all our youth. Then when the yellow/brown/black hordes come, we won't have enough pure people left to fight them off!
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:52:51pm |
re: #77 iceweasel
Yeah, the last time I found a copy of the gay agenda under my couch it said this:
1. Be treated as equals.
2. Spend time with friends and family.
3. Buy milk.Maybe they put the stuff about western civ in invisible ink...
You know who else likes to buy milk?
Al-Qaeda!
//
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:53:05pm |
re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist
It's actually fairly common to try to link the Nazis with homosexuality. Dumb, but common.
To accuse them of being, yes, but to say this is the result is new to me. I suppose I haven't been paying attention, but on reflection I guess it doesn't surprise me since anything to do with sex in any direction gets church leaderships terribly excited.
I can't figure it out./
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:53:14pm |
re: #80 John Neverbend
It involves a 'dead woman or a live boy' ;)
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:53:14pm |
re: #74 John Neverbend
The founder of the Sturmabteilung was gay, and no doubt some dumbasses will use the "ab uno disce omnes" argument.
Yeah. Basically, X number of Nazis were gay, hence, all gays must be Nazis. It doesn't work very well in real life.
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:53:24pm |
re: #77 iceweasel
Yeah, the last time I found a copy of the gay agenda under my couch it said this:
1. Be treated as equals.
2. Spend time with friends and family.
3. Buy milk.Maybe they put the stuff about western civ in invisible ink...
OMG! Milk Causes Homosexuality!
/// X 12!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:53:42pm |
re: #73 erraticsphinx
You forgot to slap your hand down on a pile of blank papers and a stack of books to indicate the wealth of "research" behind your position, but otherwise it was a great effort. I give it a 9/10.
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Gus Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:53:52pm |
re: #72 iceweasel
He's written an entire book promiting his form of holocaust revisionism blaming the Nazi party on the ghey. The Pink Swastika. I couldn't make a google cache link work, but I bet you could find us a lot of goodies.
Here's a recent writing from the evil (and paranoid) Scott Lively.
'Gays' in the Military: A Revival of The Pink Swastika?
Contact: Dr. Scott Lively
MEDIA ADVISORY, Jan. 27 /Christian Newswire/ -- "Repealing the ban on open homosexuals serving in the U.S. military would be a mistake of historic proportions." warns a Massachusetts attorney and pastor who authored a book on homosexuality in Nazi Germany. Dr. Scott Lively is co-author, along with Jewish researcher Kevin E. Abrams, of The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party.
"Certainly there would be a mass exodus of normal men from a homosexualized military," said Lively, "probably leading to the reinstatement of compulsory service. (Watch the anti-war Lefties become supporters of the draft when it's used to remedy "homophobia") And yes there would be severe morale problems for normal men forced to live as the objects of sexual interest of other men with whom they share close quarters. However, the much bigger, longer-term problem is the threat of a homosexual takeover of the military branches.
"Most people don't realize that male homosexuality does not always lean to the effeminate. Historically, male homosexuality was much more often associated with hyper-masculine warrior cults which were usually very brutal and very politically aggressive. The most recent example was in Germany. Hitler's initial power base when he launched the Nazi Party was a private homosexual military force organized and trained by a notorious pederast named Gerhard Rossbach. Rossbach's homosexual partner Ernst Roehm, who was also Hitler's partner in forming and building the Nazi Party, converted the "gay" Rossbachbund into the dreaded SA Brownshirts."
...
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:54:04pm |
re: #81 windsagio
My understanding is that they'll sap our population growth by recruiting all our youth. Then when the yellow/brown/black hordes come, we won't have enough pure people left to fight them off!
Great. So now we have to protect our precious bodily fluids.
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:54:09pm |
re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist
of course they got purged in the late '30s (the Brownshirt leadership was largly gay, if I remember right), and then it was off to le concentration camp!
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Kewalo Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:54:13pm |
re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist
It wasn't uncommon when I was young to hear about fathers that took their sons to prostitutes for their "first" time so they would get more educated. Back then I never thought a thing about it and if I did think about it I wasn't critical of it.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:54:14pm |
re: #75 Racer X
I had gay roommates for several years. Damn neat freaks.
/
Damn straight...Good people..God's Children also
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:54:43pm |
re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist
It's actually fairly common to try to link the Nazis with homosexuality. Dumb, but common.
Lively's is different from any other I've seen, though, in that he doesn't just say 'Teh Nazis were ghey!' but 'Nazism was entirely about militant butch homosexuals* advancing the homosexual agenda to destroy western civ, in league with the Devil'.
*His wording.
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:54:50pm |
re: #79 MandyManners
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone...
Ooops. John 8:7.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:54:57pm |
There's a part of me that's deeply ashamed and afraid that we have people like this in America. However, I'm relieved that their time in the civilized world is coming to an end. Very few people in the West under 40 or so would tolerate this sort of thing and every generation is becoming more tolerant than the last. In another generation or two it won't be much of an issue aside from a few backwards corners of the world.
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celticdragon Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:54:57pm |
re: #90 SteveC
Great. So now we have to protect our precious bodily fluids.
Two points for that one ;)
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:55:03pm |
re: #78 cliffster
As an aside, I submit that if you push death penalty for homosexuality, then you are neither Christian nor Right.
Lively is certainly a Christian...too bad...Christians run amok again...I'm sick of these self righteous punchers....self proclaimed agents of the lord...bunch of fucking self absorbed killers
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:55:35pm |
re: #81 windsagio
My understanding is that they'll sap our population growth by recruiting all our youth. Then when the yellow/brown/black hordes come, we won't have enough pure people left to fight them off!
I'm intrigued by people who don't think that heterosexuality is sufficiently fun or natural to compete in a free market of ideas. It's as though these guys can't imagine anyone would want to sleep with a person of the opposite sex unless they had no other options.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:55:42pm |
re: #76 windsagio
More worried about striking the hwole blog blind ;)
Sounds like someone told you it was sin, and you bought it.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:55:57pm |
re: #96 Killgore Trout
There's a part of me that's deeply ashamed and afraid that we have people like this in America. However, I'm relieved that their time in the civilized world is coming to an end. Very few people in the West under 40 or so would tolerate this sort of thing and every generation is becoming more tolerant than the last. In another generation or two it won't be much of an issue aside from a few backwards corners of the world.
True. I'm just worried about the damage they'll inflict as they go down.
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cliffster Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:56:22pm |
re: #98 albusteve
Lively is certainly a Christian...too bad...Christians run amok again...I'm sick of these self righteous punchers...self proclaimed agents of the lord...bunch of fucking self absorbed killers
I disagree Steve. Of course it's a matter of semantics, but I choose what I consider a Christian, and these people don't make the cut.
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freetoken Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:56:24pm |
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:56:27pm |
re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist
It goes back to another old canard: "They must find the 'homosexual lifestyle' terribly appealing!"
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:56:46pm |
re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm intrigued by people who don't think that heterosexuality is sufficiently fun or natural to compete in a free market of ideas. It's as though these guys can't imagine anyone would want to sleep with a person of the opposite sex unless they had no other options.
So...they're sexual commies?
///huh. :)
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celticdragon Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:57:24pm |
re: #96 Killgore Trout
There's a part of me that's deeply ashamed and afraid that we have people like this in America. However, I'm relieved that their time in the civilized world is coming to an end. Very few people in the West under 40 or so would tolerate this sort of thing and every generation is becoming more tolerant than the last. In another generation or two it won't be much of an issue aside from a few backwards corners of the world.
I hope so, but history does not trend towards justice unless we make it.
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John Neverbend Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:57:24pm |
re: #103 freetoken
What!? Misquoting the Bible?
Stone her! Stone her! Stone her!
No, she didn't say "Jehovah".
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:57:49pm |
re: #100 Naso Tang
hah that was great! I didn't think of that angle.
Actually the earliest sin I can remember is kicking another kid in the nuts, when I was like 8. I remember at the time being confused about why he fell down and was crying that hard.
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Racer X Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:58:31pm |
"I'm not getting any so neither are you! I don't care who you like to do it with!"
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:58:33pm |
re: #98 albusteve
can someone explain 'self-righteous punchers' to me? I've never heard that one before, but I think I like it :)
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:58:42pm |
re: #102 cliffster
I disagree Steve. Of course it's a matter of semantics, but I choose what I consider a Christian, and these people don't make the cut.
well he's an operative of your Christian god...seems you guys have a problem with rogue punchers...will anybody step up and denounce this guy on CNN?
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Four More Tears Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:58:47pm |
Sometimes I wonder if people like this have ever met a homosexual man who was self-confident instead of self-loathing because of the intolerance spread by... people like this.
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:59:06pm |
re: #110 Racer X
well remember his poor sister that was so shamed that she coudln't get married until she was in her '40s.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:59:22pm |
re: #96 Killgore Trout
One day civilization will slip free from the bonds of atavistic religious thinking. I only hope I live long enough to witness that day. Doubt I will, though.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 6:59:55pm |
re: #92 Kewalo
It wasn't uncommon when I was young to hear about fathers that took their sons to prostitutes for their "first" time so they would get more educated. Back then I never thought a thing about it and if I did think about it I wasn't critical of it.
I've heard such stories. This sounds really unpleasant--I think this family has big issues.
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:00:05pm |
Got a problem with gays serving in the military?
Fuck off.
Some off them are dying in Afghanistan and Iraq at the moment.
All who serve deserve nothing but praise.
A gay serviceman has become the first homosexual soldier to appear on the front cover of the Armed Forces' magazine.
James Wharton, a trooper in The Household Calvary Regiment, is featured in the monthly Soldier publication.
The move to celebrate diversity in the Army comes nine years after it lifted its ban on homosexuality within the ranks.
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erraticsphinx Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:00:53pm |
re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist
That has always puzzled me, homosexuality (all other things being equal) should not be bothering anyone on a personal level. Harmless.
But they rage on and on about "teh childrenz" and the recruiting bullshit and on and on.
Issues.
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Four More Tears Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:00:57pm |
re: #115 Slumbering Behemoth
One day civilization will slip free from the bonds of atavistic religious thinking.
Frankly this is more important to me than any "left or right" issue. It's more long-term.
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cliffster Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:01:31pm |
re: #112 albusteve
well he's an operative of your Christian god...seems you guys have a problem with rogue punchers...will anybody step up and denounce this guy on CNN?
How about 99.999% of Christians? But nobody's putting a mike in their face - that's just no fun.
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:01:34pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:01:35pm |
re: #96 Killgore Trout
There's a part of me that's deeply ashamed and afraid that we have people like this in America. However, I'm relieved that their time in the civilized world is coming to an end. Very few people in the West under 40 or so would tolerate this sort of thing and every generation is becoming more tolerant than the last. In another generation or two it won't be much of an issue aside from a few backwards corners of the world.
Exactly. And that is precisely why the religious right in control of the GOP is so very crazy right now. Their demographics are shrinking. Even the younger generation of evangelicals doesn't buy their crap about gay people.
Their current frenzy is their last-ditch attempt to make America one of those backwards corners of the world. That's why the work being done by Charles and others to expose them is so very important. They need to be kept as far away from power and the mainstream discourse as possible.
Shame on the GOP for not kicking them out on their own.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:01:41pm |
re: #115 Slumbering Behemoth
One day civilization will slip free from the bonds of atavistic religious thinking. I only hope I live long enough to witness that day. Doubt I will, though.
they probably said that 500 years ago....hahaha!...Jesus has led his flock just about nowhere so far
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John Neverbend Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:01:48pm |
re: #115 Slumbering Behemoth
One day civilization will slip free from the bonds of atavistic religious thinking. I only hope I live long enough to witness that day. Doubt I will, though.
Did you ever read Childhood's End?
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:02:20pm |
How many of the Christianists who criticize the idea of gays in the military have served?
Serious question, which also applies to Sunday talk show pundits.
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:02:25pm |
Err, Steve, you're getting pretty 'broad-brushy' there aren't ya?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:02:48pm |
re: #121 windsagio
These Beasts come with great wrath, for they know their time is short.
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erraticsphinx Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:02:51pm |
re: #122 iceweasel
The last shrieks and writhings of a dying animal.
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freetoken Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:03:02pm |
A little bit off topic...
The MSNBC website has an interesting little article about a newly published study on the increasing activity of Arctic sea waves due to the increasing loss of the ice cap:
Arctic Ocean awakening as ice melts
Interesting.
However, all one has to do is check the comments for that article to get a glimpse of the net-active nutters in action:
[Link: www.newsvine.com...]
The denialists are almost all wrapped up in "God", to the point of linking to a Youtube video of Harold Camping predicting yet again about the end.
What a sorry statement on American society. Yes, I know that the nutters are drawn to articles they hate and furthermore are compulsive in their commenting, so the comments don't represent a true slice of American life, yet one wonders about the effects of people shouting about their ignorance on every rooftop. Does it indeed change the minds of others?
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:03:07pm |
Think of all the poor and sick kids in Africa whose lives could improve if all that money and time were spent on them.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:03:35pm |
re: #125 HAL2010
How many of the Christianists who criticize the idea of gays in the military have served?
Serious question, which also applies to Sunday talk show pundits.
Dunno. I really don't envision straight men leaving the service in hordes because there's some gay guys. For one thing, there's already some gay guys, and the straight guys appear to still be taking showers.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:03:35pm |
re: #126 windsagio
Err, Steve, you're getting pretty 'broad-brushy' there aren't ya?
trying to, glad you noticed
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:03:47pm |
When are they gonna' get around to persecuting fornicators and adulterers?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:03:47pm |
re: #124 John Neverbend
No, I haven't. What's the gist of it?
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:04:45pm |
re: #133 MandyManners
When are they gonna' get around to persecuting fornicators and adulterers?
one step at a time pilgrim...
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:05:23pm |
re: #40 Killgore Trout
Quite easily - and off the backs of frightend people at that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:05:26pm |
re: #133 MandyManners
When are they gonna' get around to persecuting fornicators and adulterers?
And why will no one address the tragic and medically inexplicable fall-off in fertility among Catholic-Americans?
/
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cliffster Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:05:43pm |
re: #115 Slumbering Behemoth
One day civilization will slip free from the bonds of atavistic religious thinking. I only hope I live long enough to witness that day. Doubt I will, though.
Unfortunately, hating gays is a part of some people's nature. For these people, it's no more drilled in by upbringing than homosexuality is caused by environment. Religion is a good piggy-back for homophobia right now, but it will always be there as one of the many dark sides of human nature.
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:06:07pm |
re: #133 MandyManners
When are they gonna' get around to persecuting fornicators and adulterers?
Hey, heey!
That's a personal matter of temporary temptation and weakness!
Could have happened to anybody ..
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:06:08pm |
re: #133 MandyManners
When are they gonna' get around to persecuting fornicators and adulterers?
You think they wouldn't?
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:06:42pm |
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Racer X Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:06:44pm |
This one is good. Really good.
Marvin has the most boring job in the universe - but all is not as it seems...
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:06:46pm |
re: #143 iceweasel
actually you might be able to help, I can never 'read' mandy... Is that sarcasm or serious?
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John Neverbend Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:07:41pm |
re: #134 Slumbering Behemoth
No, I haven't. What's the gist of it?
Earth is visited by aliens who massively improve living standards and who, as a by-product of the changes that they bring, cause everybody to lose their belief in any religion. They DON'T then ship us back to their planet to be served up on a platter, but there's something else going on. It's an interesting story, not long, and well worth reading.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:08:05pm |
re: #133 MandyManners
When are they gonna' get around to persecuting fornicators and adulterers?
Give them time.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:08:29pm |
re: #102 cliffster
I disagree Steve. Of course it's a matter of semantics, but I choose what I consider a Christian, and these people don't make the cut.
Is there a difference between calling someone a decent Christian, or Muslim for that matter, and simply calling them whatever they may be without the label?
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:08:37pm |
When it comes to Christianity, this is an epic FAIL.
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:09:20pm |
re: #147 John Neverbend
Earth is visited by aliens who massively improve living standards and who, as a by-product of the changes that they bring, cause everybody to lose their belief in any religion. They DON'T then ship us back to their planet to be served up on a platter, but there's something else going on. It's an interesting story, not long, and well worth reading.
Strongest case for intelligent life out there somewhere?
They haven't visited.
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:09:30pm |
re: #149 Naso Tang
Of course there is! Its like calling someone a 'good spade'.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:09:33pm |
re: #146 windsagio
actually you might be able to help, I can never 'read' mandy... Is that sarcasm or serious?
Mandy is absolutely not advocating for the persecution of fornicators, adulterers, or gays, and never would do so.
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cliffster Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:10:56pm |
re: #149 Naso Tang
Is there a difference between calling someone a decent Christian, or Muslim for that matter, and simply calling them whatever they may be without the label?
Words have meaning for all of us. Some words mean more to us than simply to convey meaning. For most religious people, the name of their religion is one of those words. These jackasses would certainly say that gays are not true Christians, I say likewise about them.
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freetoken Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:10:58pm |
re: #151 Racer X
No kidding.
The answer to AGW? No problem!!, Harold Camping says the End is on May 21, 2011.
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:11:19pm |
re: #153 windsagio
Of course there is! Its like calling someone a 'good spade'.
First I thought of was "tool". It's all good though.
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:11:52pm |
re: #152 HAL2010
Strongest case for intelligent life out there somewhere?
They haven't visited.
ALL THESE PLANETS ARE YOURS
EXCEPT EARTH
ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:12:27pm |
re: #150 MandyManners
When it comes to Christianity, this is an epic FAIL.
It is. Sadly, as these backwards homophobes disappear in future generations they may take Christianity with it.
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John Neverbend Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:12:34pm |
re: #152 HAL2010
Strongest case for intelligent life out there somewhere?
They haven't visited.
An interesting viewpoint. The story, however, was written by Arthur C. Clarke in 1953.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:12:58pm |
I've decided to persecute people that won't mind their own business, thereby jeopardizing someone else's basic liberties...I'm on a mission from god!
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cliffster Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:13:02pm |
re: #146 windsagio
actually you might be able to help, I can never 'read' mandy... Is that sarcasm or serious?
That's one of the more asinine things I've read here lately.
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:13:34pm |
re: #160 John Neverbend
An interesting viewpoint. The story, however, was written by Arthur C. Clarke in 1953.
I simply call him "dad".
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:13:37pm |
=re: #154 iceweasel
OK thanks ;)
But yeah then, we punish fornicators and adulterers every day. Just look at Gov. Sanford, or Bill Clinton, or that OK abortion law or...
Alot of this stuff is so omnipresent we don't even notice it anymore.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:13:41pm |
OT: Barton Fink - The Life Of The Mind
If you haven't seen this movie lately, you should.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:13:59pm |
re: #162 albusteve
I've decided to persecute people that won't mind their own business, thereby jeopardizing someone else's basic liberties...I'm on a mission from god!
You seem to be having a bit of fun. :)
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:14:02pm |
re: #147 John Neverbend
The dual episodes of Stargate 2010 and 2001 watchced back to back are pretty darn good on that front.........
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:14:06pm |
re: #152 HAL2010
Strongest case for intelligent life out there somewhere?
They haven't visited.
If I were aliens, I would quarantine Earth, at least until we stop putting people into platic shredders and using machetes on old women and children.
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:14:14pm |
re: #156 freetoken
No kidding.
The answer to AGW? No problem!!, Harold Camping says the End is on May 21, 2011.
Today's edition of Forbes Magazine had an editorial by Steve Forbes predicting that Israel would hit Iranian nuclear facilities by Labor Day. Such a strike (no matter the timing) could make things pretty scary for a while.
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John Neverbend Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:14:35pm |
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:14:55pm |
re: #153 windsagio
Of course there is! Its like calling someone a 'good spade'.
I never heard it that way, outside of redneck country, but
in spades
derives from
C
onsiderably, in the extreme; also, without restraint. For example, They were having money problems, in spades, or Jan told him what he really thought of him, in spades. This expression alludes to spades as the highest-ranking suit in various card games, such as bridge, and transfers "highest" to other extremes. [Colloquial; 1920s]
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erraticsphinx Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:14:57pm |
Hmm, well what do ya know.
Brit Hume never mentioned these kinds of "Christians" on Fox News to Tiger now did he?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:15:29pm |
re: #162 albusteve
I've decided to persecute people that won't mind their own business, thereby jeopardizing someone else's basic liberties...I'm on a mission from god!
For a little paperwork, you can be tax-exempt.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:15:42pm |
I hope Scott Lively's children grow up to start an incredibly successful satanic queer black metal band that only does Elton John covers.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:15:43pm |
re: #133 MandyManners
When are they gonna' get around to persecuting fornicators and adulterers?
Tiger Woods is not happy with you right now...
/Latest deep rumor..And it is coming out because of the source..
Elin broke 2 of Tiger's teeth that night..
Now that was probably a hell of a night fight
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:15:48pm |
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:16:14pm |
re: #155 cliffster
Words have meaning for all of us. Some words mean more to us than simply to convey meaning. For most religious people, the name of their religion is one of those words. These jackasses would certainly say that gays are not true Christians, I say likewise about them.
I see. Sort of like RINO?
(of course I knew that :)
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:16:32pm |
re: #172 Naso Tang
Hmm; you know what I mean by that right? I'm having a bit of trouble reading context this evening >>
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:16:46pm |
re: #175 WindUpBird
I hope Scott Lively's children grow up to start an incredibly successful satanic queer black metal band that only does Elton John covers.
That would sound...interesting?
:)
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:17:01pm |
re: #175 WindUpBird
mission: Find me a black metal cover of Elton John!
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:17:18pm |
re: #175 WindUpBird
I hope Scott Lively's children grow up to start an incredibly successful satanic queer black metal band that only does Elton John covers.
You would punish all of us? You're heartless! :)
///
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Racer X Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:17:21pm |
Gaza Rooster has been pwned. Big time.
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:17:37pm |
re: #159 Killgore Trout
It is. Sadly, as these backwards homophobes disappear in future generations they may take Christianity with it.
I don't think so. Love wins.
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John Neverbend Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:17:46pm |
re: #177 HAL2010
Mere details!
I read today at pharyngula that the anti-science nutjobs are now anti-science fiction.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:17:55pm |
re: #174 Decatur Deb
For a little paperwork, you can be tax-exempt.
call my office..I need your support
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:18:10pm |
re: #176 HoosierHoops
Tiger Woods is not happy with you right now...
/Latest deep rumor..And it is coming out because of the source..
Elin broke 2 of Tiger's teeth that night..
Now that was probably a hell of a night fight
She gripped it and ripped it, from what I read!
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MandyManners Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:18:14pm |
Assholes like this twist my knickers. I'm gonna' step back for a while.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:18:17pm |
re: #179 windsagio
Hmm; you know what I mean by that right? I'm having a bit of trouble reading context this evening >>
Possibly I am too.
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cliffster Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:18:33pm |
re: #178 Naso Tang
I see. Sort of like RINO?
(of course I knew that :)
Sort of, except that omniscient and omnipotent beings don't really come up for re-election ;)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:18:40pm |
re: #173 erraticsphinx
Hmm, well what do ya know.
Brit Hume never mentioned these kinds of "Christians" on Fox News to Tiger now did he?
Brit Hume is...wow, that guy is a pile. Got to see his boo-hoo Christian victim bullshit flag flying in the wake of his advice to Tiger Woods.
I'm wondering what would happen if Dan Rather, Keith Olbermann, or Katie Couric advised a famous Christian sports figure to renounce Jesus. I'm imagining a lot of uproar!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:18:47pm |
re: #183 Racer X
Gaza Rooster has been pwned. Big time.
[Video]
Oh, no.
Our Gaza Rooster was not hoarse like that.
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:19:02pm |
re: #189 Naso Tang
ok just to be clear:
A "spade" is a slang term for a black person. I was comparing people that say 'a good muslim' or 'a good christian' to racists.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:19:29pm |
re: #188 MandyManners
Assholes like this twist my knickers. I'm gonna' step back for a while.
Please don't. They say it is good to vent, and you are so good..
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:19:35pm |
re: #180 Varek Raith
That would sound...interesting?
:)
Not as interesting as the band I want to start: King Neil Diamond. Neil Diamond covers in the style of King Diamond. :D
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:19:40pm |
re: #165 windsagio
=
OK thanks ;)
But yeah then, we punish fornicators and adulterers every day. Just look at Gov. Sanford, or Bill Clinton, or that OK abortion law or...
Alot of this stuff is so omnipresent we don't even notice it anymore.
There's also a difference between condemning an action (adultery) or even a person, and persecuting them. Legally or otherwise.
BTW, Mandy is also one of the strongest defenders here of a woman's right to choose. You can be a Christian and a committed Christian without being one of these crazy fucks we're discussing. Like the Christian commenters here, for example.
(We probably do have some of the other sort about, lurking and planning their flounce. Not any of the religious regulars we have, though.)
If I were a Christian and a Republican, I would be at least as angry about the hijacking of my faith as my party.
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celticdragon Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:20:05pm |
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Gus Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:20:34pm |
Scott Lively is president of Abiding Truth Ministries which runs Defend the Family.
Past grantees include:
Parents Educational Foundation - Mass Resistance
NARTH
JONAH
International Healing Foundation
AFA of Pennsylvania
America Asleep Know More
Imagio Dei Ministries
New Covenant Ministries International
Americans For Truth About Homosexuality
Watchmen on the Walls
Living Stones Ministries
Eric Elder Ministries
Parents Rights Coalition
Cross Ministry
Howard Center for Family, Religion and Society
Hillcrest Mission
HIS Ministry
Alliance Defense Fund
College Republicans Club at Cal State San Bernardino
PFOX
Stephen Bennett Ministries
Family Research Institute
High School Conservative Clubs of America
Mission: America
Not so oddly enough they also link to Brussels Journal in their links pages.
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celticdragon Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:20:39pm |
re: #185 John Neverbend
I read today at pharyngula that the anti-science nutjobs are now anti-science fiction.
Figures. :(
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:20:55pm |
I will once again take advantage of a Uganda post to call attention to the horror of The Lord's Resistance Army, the only armed Christian insurrection in the world I know of. The Bush administration tried to help the Ugandan national government to roll them up, to disastrous effect. Spare a thought for the child soldiers caught up in this nightmare.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:21:08pm |
re: #195 WindUpBird
Not as interesting as the band I want to start: King Neil Diamond. Neil Diamond covers in the style of King Diamond. :D
Heh! Nice. :D
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:21:16pm |
re: #198 Gus 802
Scott Lively is president of Abiding Truth Ministries which runs Defend the Family.
Past grantees include:
Not so oddly enough they also link to Brussels Journal in their links pages.
Good catch, well done!
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:21:36pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:21:38pm |
re: #159 Killgore Trout
It is. Sadly, as these backwards homophobes disappear in future generations they may take Christianity with it.
I would disagree. I don't think these "Christians" will destroy the religion. They are marginal, and will be nothing more than a footnote in the history of Christianity.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:21:43pm |
re: #176 HoosierHoops
Tiger Woods is not happy with you right now...
/Latest deep rumor..And it is coming out because of the source..
Elin broke 2 of Tiger's teeth that night..
Now that was probably a hell of a night fight
With the driver or the five iron?
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:22:01pm |
re: #196 iceweasel
Its not like I was fishing to attack the woman, I was just not sure what she was saying. If I came off that way I apologize.
I'm strongly Christian myself, and believe me you're right. Its hard not to look at these people and not punch a wall, or myself.
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Gus Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:22:03pm |
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:22:08pm |
re: #193 windsagio
ok just to be clear:
A "spade" is a slang term for a black person. I was comparing people that say 'a good muslim' or 'a good christian' to racists.
I got that too. But it is a bit dated in that context these days. If anyone was heard to say it, they would be in their eighties and probably forgiven for being senile.
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John Neverbend Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:22:39pm |
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:22:53pm |
re: #204 Floral Giraffe
I would disagree. I don't think these "Christians" will destroy the religion. They are marginal, and will be nothing more than a footnote in the history of Christianity.
How much of that history have you read?/
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:23:01pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:23:40pm |
re: #187 SteveC
She gripped it and ripped it, from what I read!
The story so far..from sources is that Tiger after dinner was watching Football on the couch texting 'the other woman' Got a call to play poker at about 9pm with some buddies..Tossed his Blackberry on the coffee table and went to play cards till around midnight.. His wife read all the text messages..
When he got home it was a nuclear war...
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:23:40pm |
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:24:22pm |
re: #210 Naso Tang
well again, the movement is on the downslope now. I'm sure something else will come up, but these guys are on the way out, and they're simply not taking Christianity with them.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:24:25pm |
re: #209 John Neverbend
Here's the source:
AHAHAHA is that that Cloud guy's picture? He looks like a werewolf!
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:24:36pm |
re: #213 Varek Raith
Billiyuns and billiyuns of years ago...
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cliffster Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:24:40pm |
re: #212 HoosierHoops
The story so far..from sources is that Tiger after dinner was watching Football on the couch texting 'the other woman' Got a call to play poker at about 9pm with some buddies..Tossed his Blackberry on the coffee table and went to play cards till around midnight.. His wife read all the text messages..
When he got home it was a nuclear war...
Rookie mistake.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:24:50pm |
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erraticsphinx Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:25:05pm |
re: #200 The Sanity Inspector
The more I'm reading about Uganda the angrier I get at the transparent "Oh noeees we had no idea THIS would happen" from certain evangelicals who provided inspiration for this movement.
They are bloody, nasty murderous fascists, pure and simple. They saw a weak, harmless and poor target (gays in Uganda, for God's sake!) in a country they could easily manipulate and then went to town with their propaganda.
Every one of the "ministries" Gus 802 has mentioned can rot in hell (really).
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Four More Tears Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:25:13pm |
re: #213 Varek Raith
WTF!? They're dissing Carl Sagan?!?!
Fiction is very very important to some people. I'd argue that many of them even believe in it...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:25:25pm |
re: #218 cliffster
Rookie mistake.
Dude, when it came to cheatin' he was not a rookie. Really, really not a rookie.
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John Neverbend Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:25:36pm |
re: #215 WindUpBird
AHAHAHA is that that Cloud guy's picture? He looks like a werewolf!
Er, I think that's Asimov.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:26:18pm |
re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist
It's actually fairly common to try to link the Nazis with homosexuality. Dumb, but common.
Right, and the average Ugandan really doesn't give much of a fuck about the Nazi's, there's no real national historic frame of reference. The really fucked up, evil, fresh new hell here is Lively blaming gays for the Rwandan genocide. The son of a bitch struck a nerve in his audience with that one. Goddamn.
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:26:22pm |
re: #223 John Neverbend
yeah it is. Guy always looked like he should be in a castle basement somewhere.
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:26:27pm |
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HAL2010 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:26:45pm |
It's almost half three here, oh dear. Should really be in bed!
Goodnight Lizards, and happy hunting!
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Four More Tears Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:27:01pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:27:05pm |
re: #223 John Neverbend
Er, I think that's Asimov.
DAMMIT I was afraid of that. Ayiee, sorry, Issac!
(he does look like a werewolf with those sideburns)
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erraticsphinx Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:27:12pm |
re: #224 goddamnedfrank
Exactly, these bastards knew exactly what would push the buttons.
Disgusting.
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John Neverbend Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:27:38pm |
re: #227 HAL2010
It's almost half three here, oh dear. Should really be in bed!
Goodnight Lizards, and happy hunting!
Ee by gum, are you in Blighty?
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:28:11pm |
re: #231 John Neverbend
don't know about him - but i am.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:28:20pm |
re: #222 EmmmieG
Dude, when it came to cheatin' he was not a rookie. Really, really not a rookie.
Tiger enforced my long held premise that no matter how much money you have, or fame and recognition...some people are just trailer trash at heart...Bill and Hillary come to mind
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:28:28pm |
re: #226 SteveC
Bad Science Fiction makes me crap straight up.
Noooo, it's AWESOME. Especially the Harry Turtledove speculative goofball stuff about what would happen if World War One were fought in Eternia from the He-Man cartoons or whatever.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:28:40pm |
re: #218 cliffster
Rookie mistake.
A study from Italy (where cell phones and adultery have been noted) shows that the phones figured in about 15% of divorces. Will look for link.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:28:56pm |
re: #200 The Sanity Inspector
I will once again take advantage of a Uganda post to call attention to the horror of The Lord's Resistance Army, the only armed Christian insurrection in the world I know of. The Bush administration tried to help the Ugandan national government to roll them up, to disastrous effect. Spare a thought for the child soldiers caught up in this nightmare.
Reminder: another of jackass Andrew Breitbart's shining moments was giving the finger to people marching in protest of that.
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John Neverbend Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:29:09pm |
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:29:36pm |
re: #226 SteveC
Bad Science Fiction makes me crap straight up.
Do you like Greg Bear? I'm not sure what to think anymore after working through "the city at the end of time", except that I don't want to have his dreams.
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Four More Tears Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:29:36pm |
re: #233 albusteve
Tiger enforced my long held premise that no matter how much money you have, or fame and recognition...some people are just trailer trash at heart...Bill and Hillary come to mind
Hopefully it taught women that they really shouldn't be sweating their looks so much. You can be a supermodel and still have a dog for a husband.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:29:46pm |
re: #204 Floral Giraffe
I would disagree. I don't think these "Christians" will destroy the religion. They are marginal, and will be nothing more than a footnote in the history of Christianity.
The problem is that Christianity is already on the decline in the US and Europe because of stuff like this. Added to Christian stances on science, marriage, divorce, abortion and sex abuse scandals have added up to a lot of problems for Christianity in general.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:30:20pm |
re: #240 JasonA
Hopefully it taught women that they really shouldn't be sweating their looks so much. You can be a supermodel and still have a dog for a husband.
I figured that out with Halle Berry's disastrous marriages.
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Four More Tears Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:30:37pm |
re: #234 WindUpBird
Nooo, it's AWESOME. Especially the Harry Turtledove speculative goofball stuff about what would happen if World War One were fought in Eternia from the He-Man cartoons or whatever.
Oh, and then there are his stories of time travelers giving the Confederates modern weapons. Just... wow. I don't even know what to say.
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Gus Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:31:20pm |
re: #237 iceweasel
Reminder: another of jackass Andrew Breitbart's shining moments was giving the finger to people marching in protest of that.
I'm going to bite my tongue and put away my radar. /
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:31:29pm |
re: #244 JasonA
Oh, and then there are his stories of time travelers giving the Confederates modern weapons. Just... wow. I don't even know what to say.
Epic. Just, epic. :)
/definitely some... interesting stuff, no?
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:31:32pm |
Well I saw her face,
Now I'm a believer,
And there's not a trace,
Of doubt in my mind.
Good Evening LGF.
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:31:57pm |
re: #242 Killgore Trout
its creepy to be in Europe, all these beautiful, stunning churches... empty.
I think alot of it has to do with Christianity's very age. Its mainly in decline in places where its been the state religion (or defacto state religion) for centuries. In the US (and to a lesser degree in Europe) a vast majority of people still self-describe as Christian, they just don't really practice anymore.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:32:19pm |
re: #242 Killgore Trout
Well, there are a LOT of other religions. It wouldn't be the end of the world to have Christianity disappear. It woul dbe the end of a long tradition, though, so I don't think it's likely. Certainly not in our lifetime, or our kids lifetimes.
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:32:24pm |
re: #244 JasonA
I say that those writers secretly wish the South had won the war >>
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:32:26pm |
re: #218 cliffster
Rookie mistake.
Dude had 14 mistresses! Should have Tiger proofed the cell
14! I admit I've dated in College several girls at once..Haven't we all? And that is hard work...but mistresses? 14? Even in all the good gangster movies you only could handle one before your world crashes around you? Tony Saprano? In Goodfella's they said Friday nights were for the girlfriends and Saturday was for the Wives...
Even the Mafia has standards...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:33:39pm |
re: #233 albusteve
Tiger enforced my long held premise that no matter how much money you have, or fame and recognition...some people are just trailer trash at heart...Bill and Hillary come to mind
I don't think Tiger is trailer trash, I think he's more of a rock star personality with unreal amounts of wealth and power. The power feeds into it. Think Tommy Lee or Jimmy Page.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:33:39pm |
re: #251 HoosierHoops
Hoops, last count I saw was over 14.
rest of comment deleted in advance by the taste police!
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:34:03pm |
re: #245 Gus 802
I'm going to bite my tongue and put away my radar. /
Hee! Excellent catches on all the Ted Lively stuff. I knew once you were on the case we'd be seeing some great stuff. :-)
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:34:03pm |
re: #235 Decatur Deb
Link: [Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:34:12pm |
re: #191 WindUpBird
Brit Hume is...wow, that guy is a pile. Got to see his boo-hoo Christian victim bullshit flag flying in the wake of his advice to Tiger Woods.
I'm wondering what would happen if Dan Rather, Keith Olbermann, or Katie Couric advised a famous Christian sports figure to renounce Jesus. I'm imagining a lot of uproar!
Did Hume have anything more to say after the inital suggestion?
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:34:27pm |
re: #242 Killgore Trout
The problem is that Christianity is already on the decline in the US and Europe because of stuff like this. Added to Christian stances on science, marriage, divorce, abortion and sex abuse scandals have added up to a lot of problems for Christianity in general.
To be honest, I don't think "stuff like this" has anything much to do with it. There has been 2000 years for the nuts to do it in, and they didn't just appear today.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:34:48pm |
re: #242 Killgore Trout
Christianity started it's decline in Western Europe after WW1.
Mass slaughter on home soil can do that. If we had gone the other way - and retained our collective faith after all that - Britain/France/GErmany would be very different places today. I don't know where we'd be...........
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:34:49pm |
re: #242 Killgore Trout
The problem is that Christianity is already on the decline in the US and Europe because of stuff like this. Added to Christian stances on science, marriage, divorce, abortion and sex abuse scandals have added up to a lot of problems for Christianity in general.
just consider the rise of the Atheist Nation...when they come to power and force all religious properties and assets be turned over to the State, and their activities considered illegal...secular America
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:35:01pm |
re: #244 JasonA
Oh, and then there are his stories of time travelers giving the Confederates modern weapons. Just... wow. I don't even know what to say.
Those books should be printed on slices of American cheese. And come with coupons for beard trims.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:35:07pm |
re: #220 erraticsphinx
The more I'm reading about Uganda the angrier I get at the transparent "Oh noeees we had no idea THIS would happen" from certain evangelicals who provided inspiration for this movement.
They are bloody, nasty murderous fascists, pure and simple. They saw a weak, harmless and poor target (gays in Uganda, for God's sake!) in a country they could easily manipulate and then went to town with their propaganda.
Every one of the "ministries" Gus 802 has mentioned can rot in hell (really).
Regretfully concur.
The Government does not intend these things to happen, the Commission on whose report the Bill was founded did not intend these things to happen, but in legislation intention is nothing, and the letter of the law everything, and no government has the right, whether to flatter fanatics or in mere vagueness of mind, to forge an instrument of tyranny and say that it will never be used.
--W. B. Yeats
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:35:49pm |
re: #242 Killgore Trout
The problem is that Christianity is already on the decline in the US and Europe because of stuff like this. Added to Christian stances on science, marriage, divorce, abortion and sex abuse scandals have added up to a lot of problems for Christianity in general.
But in the USA religion remains amazingly popular.
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Gus Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:36:00pm |
re: #254 iceweasel
Hee! Excellent catches on all the Ted Lively stuff. I knew once you were on the case we'd be seeing some great stuff. :-)
Thanks. My first inclination was to find donors. That was the only thing I could find. I'm sure there are some other "big name" donors out there.
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:36:46pm |
Turtledove was writing one that had a lot of promise:
The Impeachment and Trial of John F. Kennedy
What if John Kennedy survived Dallas?
Historians love to speculate on this “what-if” scenario, wondering if magically the nation would have been spared the pain of Vietnam and even Watergate. They have missed the point.
If he’d gotten out of Dealey Plaza alive, John Kennedy might easily have suffered the same fate as his arch-nemesis Richard Nixon -- humiliation and removal from office.
The first couple of chapters are online and it seems to be a good read - but they have been there for three years and nothing seems to have come of the project. :(
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:36:47pm |
re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist
Did Hume have anything more to say after the inital suggestion?
He went on Bill o'Reilly and defended what he said, claimed it wasn't prosletyzing, and then complained that "whenever one mentions Jesus Christ, all hell breaks loose!"
Amazing how good powerful people are at playing the victim when they're caught saying something totally indefensible. :P
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:37:01pm |
re: #248 windsagio
its creepy to be in Europe, all these beautiful, stunning churches... empty.
Except for tourits in Britain............
Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece would beg to differ
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Gus Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:37:06pm |
re: #259 albusteve
just consider the rise of the Atheist Nation...when they come to power and force all religious properties and assets be turned over to the State, and their activities considered illegal...secular America
What atheist nation?
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:37:32pm |
re: #262 Spare O'Lake
yeah... altho its changing some.
I think what we're really seeing is the end of the American Evangelical movement... It really had its start in the late 40s peaked in the 80's and now is just about done. Interestingly it parallels pretty closely to the life of Billy Graham.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:37:39pm |
re: #259 albusteve
Didn't England survive Henry VIII essentially "nationalizing" the Catholic Church properties there for the benefit of the state?
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:38:18pm |
re: #206 windsagio
Its not like I was fishing to attack the woman, I was just not sure what she was saying. If I came off that way I apologize.
I'm strongly Christian myself, and believe me you're right. Its hard not to look at these people and not punch a wall, or myself.
Oh, no, I understand, no problem. But since you're new I thought it might be helpful to know, that's all. And it was a convenient way to make the point that there are many people who are strongly Christian who want nothing to do with this insanity, like Mandy, cliffster, and tons of others here. And you, of course!
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:38:33pm |
re: #266 wozzablog
Areas I'm familiar with (where this is true): Great Britian, all of Scandanavia (I think germany too, but not sure).
Its definitely happening in Northern europe.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:39:02pm |
re: #259 albusteve
just consider the rise of the Atheist Nation...when they come to power and force all religious properties and assets be turned over to the State, and their activities considered illegal...secular America
I didn't see a sarc there, but it is worth noting that unlike the USA, in "atheist" Europe churches are supported by the state, and most people agree with that
...it gives American tourists more places to visit../
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:40:02pm |
re: #272 Naso Tang
Man, no mention of the USSR or Red China yet?
I guess I'll break the ice!
(altho in both cases, they did amazing jobs of Preserving the churches, just not in letting people you know, use them)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:40:15pm |
re: #259 albusteve
just consider the rise of the Atheist Nation...when they come to power and force all religious properties and assets be turned over to the State, and their activities considered illegal...secular America
Soylent Green is Christians! That sounds like a great premise for a 70's hard-edged sci-fi movie. And then there'd be a Catholic secret city in the sewers of New York where they're plotting their uprising, Demolition Man style, and the Protestants would have a moonbase...
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palomino Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:40:29pm |
Watch the video. You'll see that Scott Lively is just Fred Phelps with a slightly larger, more tactful vocabulary.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:40:33pm |
re: #240 JasonA
Hopefully it taught women that they really shouldn't be sweating their looks so much. You can be a supermodel and still have a dog for a husband.
Or, you can be Heidi Klum.
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:41:01pm |
re: #273 windsagio
Man, no mention of the USSR or Red China yet?
I guess I'll break the ice!
(altho in both cases, they did amazing jobs of Preserving the churches, just not in letting people you know, use them)
You know what they say on eBay: Mint in Box, never opened!
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:41:04pm |
re: #269 oaktree
Didn't England survive Henry VIII essentially "nationalizing" the Catholic Church properties there for the benefit of the state?
and turning them over to Protestant churches.?
Let's remember that the Catholic church, and others, in those days were political organizations as much as anything else.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:41:12pm |
re: #271 windsagio
Scandinavia is pretty much gone to Christianity - they dabbled with it for a few hundred years, never particularly wholeheartedly by comparrison. They had such a wonderful mythology bubbling under the surface the whole time.
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Gus Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:41:13pm |
Oh boy. Here we go. The old you think this is bad you should have seen what the atheists did argument again.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:41:13pm |
re: #274 WindUpBird
Soylent Green is Christians! That sounds like a great premise for a 70's hard-edged sci-fi movie. And then there'd be a Catholic secret city in the sewers of New York where they're plotting their uprising, Demolition Man style, and the Protestants would have a moonbase...
I nominate WindUpBird as the director of just such a film!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:41:22pm |
re: #272 Naso Tang
I didn't see a sarc there, but it is worth noting that unlike the USA, in "atheist" Europe churches are supported by the state, and most people agree with that
...it gives American tourists more places to visit../
Costs a lot of money to maintain places like Bath Abbey! I'm glad they are, that place is amazing.
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:41:46pm |
re: #274 WindUpBird
Soylent Green is Christians! That sounds like a great premise for a 70's hard-edged sci-fi movie. And then there'd be a Catholic secret city in the sewers of New York where they're plotting their uprising, Demolition Man style, and the Protestants would have a moonbase...
Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure!
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Racer X Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:42:19pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:42:47pm |
re: #282 Varek Raith
I nominate WindUpBird as the director of just such a film!
Oh, I'd make a terrible director. I can't even take decent still photos.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:42:50pm |
re: #271 windsagio
The eastern bloc is steadfastly clinging on to the old time religion - some members of Polands government make Pat Robertson look like a member of the Rainbow Push crowd..............
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cliffster Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:43:10pm |
re: #281 Gus 802
Oh boy. Here we go. The old you think this is bad you should have seen what the atheists did argument again.
What is that in latin?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:43:13pm |
re: #265 WindUpBird
He went on Bill o'Reilly and defended what he said, claimed it wasn't prosletyzing, and then complained that "whenever one mentions Jesus Christ, all hell breaks loose!"
Amazing how good powerful people are at playing the victim when they're caught saying something totally indefensible. :P
Oh for goodness sakes'. "It was just a suggestion," would have been fine.
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albusteve Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:43:17pm |
re: #274 WindUpBird
Soylent Green is Christians! That sounds like a great premise for a 70's hard-edged sci-fi movie. And then there'd be a Catholic secret city in the sewers of New York where they're plotting their uprising, Demolition Man style, and the Protestants would have a moonbase...
right, you got it...but they will be hunted down and made to disavow religion or turned into appetizers for the secular elites
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:43:37pm |
re: #285 Racer X
Oct 13, 2009:
The Earth Race joins Sea Shepherd
Jan 6th, 2010:
I see Captain Crunch and his band of 'pirates' are still as incompetent as ever.
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Gus Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:43:44pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:44:04pm |
re: #284 SteveC
Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure!
We'd definitely need Bill Paxton. And Paul Hogan, because I think Paul Hogan is awesome. I'll settle for being casting director.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:44:15pm |
re: #281 Gus 802
Oh boy. Here we go. The old you think this is bad you should have seen what the atheists did argument again.
Sing it with me!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:45:12pm |
re: #294 windsagio
Set and costume Design!
Now we're talking! Athiest fascists would have to have awesome uniforms!
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:45:17pm |
re: #266 wozzablog
Except for tourits in Britain...
Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece would beg to differ
Larkin's excellent poem ChurchGoing comes to mind, in re: that very point-- excerpt:
Once I am sure there's nothing going on
I step inside, letting the door thud shut.
Another church: matting, seats, and stone,
And little books; sprawlings of flowers, cut
For Sunday, brownish now; some brass and stuff
Up at the holy end; the small neat organ;
And a tense, musty, unignorable silence,
Brewed God knows how long. Hatless, I take off
My cycle-clips in awkward reverence.
......
Back at the door
I sign the book, donate an Irish sixpence,
Reflect the place was not worth stopping for.
Yet stop I did: in fact I often do,
And always end much at a loss like this,
Wondering what to look for; wondering, too,
When churches will fall completely out of use
What we shall turn them into, if we shall keep
A few cathedrals chronically on show,
Their parchment, plate and pyx in locked cases,
And let the rest rent-free to rain and sheep.
Shall we avoid them as unlucky places?
.........
A serious house on serious earth it is,
In whose blent air all our compulsions meet,
Are recognized, and robed as destinies.
And that much never can be obsolete,
Since someone will forever be surprising
A hunger in himself to be more serious,
And gravitating with it to this ground,
Which, he once heard, was proper to grow wise in,
If only that so many dead lie round.
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Racer X Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:45:29pm |
re: #291 Varek Raith
I see Captain Crunch and his band of 'pirates' are still as incompetent as ever.
I'm kinda bummed. The Earth Race was a really cool ship. Those morons put her right in front of a Japanese trawler. I doubt it even scratched the Japanese boat as it went under it.
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jaunte Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:45:35pm |
re: #290 albusteve
right, you got it...but they will be hunted down and made to disavow religion or turned into appetizers for the secular elites
Didn't they find out the Adkisson diet was unhealthy?
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:45:50pm |
re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist
To the tune of "yellow submarine"............. (trust me, it scans)
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:45:59pm |
re: #249 Floral Giraffe
Well, there are a LOT of other religions. It wouldn't be the end of the world to have Christianity disappear. It would be the end of a long tradition, though, so I don't think it's likely. Certainly not in our lifetime, or our kids lifetimes.
Not all religions are the same. Christianity can answer the question "what did they leave behind" better than most.
As before, the genius of India has taken from her aggressors
the most spiritually significant principle of their culture and
fashioned of it a new message of hope for mankind. There is in
Christianity the great doctrine that God became man in order to save
humanity by taking the burden of its sin and suffering on Himself,
here in this very world, not the next. That the starving must be fed,
the ragged clad, has been emphasized by Christianity as no other
religion has done. Charity, benevolence, and the like, no doubt have
an important place in the religions of our country as well, but there
they are are in practice circumscribed within much narrower limits,
and are only partially inspired by love of man. And to our great good
fortune, Gandhiji was able to receive this teaching of Christ in a
living way. It was fortunate that he had not to learn of Christianity
through professional experts, but should have found in Tolstoi a
teacher who realized the value of non-violence through the
multifarious experience of his own life struggles. For it was this
great gift from Europe that our country had all along been awaiting.
--Rabindranath Tagore
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SteveC Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:46:15pm |
A Daily Updating Blog of Important Events In History That Never Occurred Today.
January 7, 1861: On this day the United States Senator from Mississippi, Jefferson Davis (pictured) was arrested in Washington attempting to purchase one thousand rifles from the manufacturer Eli Whitney.
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Gus Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:46:26pm |
re: #295 SanFranciscoZionist
Sing it with me!
Old Karl Marx, sittin' on a bench.
E-I-E-I-Ohhhhhhhhh.
He had an idea for a mani-fest-o.
E-I-E-I-Ohhhhhhhhh.
...
/
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:46:29pm |
re: #287 wozzablog
reminds me of a funny story.
My German teacher in HS was a VERY German east German immigrant.
Her position on religion: "Of course its not true, but we always went to Church to spite the Government!"
I guess being denied something makes you really cherish it, and having something be the law of the land makes it unpaletable.
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:47:02pm |
re: #296 WindUpBird
I'll give you 10 bucks to make and put up some sketches right now >>
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:47:06pm |
re: #281 Gus 802
Oh boy. Here we go. The old you think this is bad you should have seen what the atheists did argument again.
They formed a pretty cool band...
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:47:14pm |
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:47:59pm |
re: #298 Racer X
I'm kinda bummed. The Earth Race was a really cool ship. Those morons put her right in front of a Japanese trawler. I doubt it even scratched the Japanese boat as it went under it.
CNN link to vid.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:48:15pm |
re: #280 wozzablog
Scandinavia is pretty much gone to Christianity - they dabbled with it for a few hundred years, never particularly wholeheartedly by comparrison. They had such a wonderful mythology bubbling under the surface the whole time.
I would correct you there, without claiming to be an expert; but there was a long time when Christianity was a requirement, along with church attendance, just as it is in many parts of Islam. The Church was second only to the king, or kings, and maybe not even second.
What is that word again... for projecting the present on the past?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:48:19pm |
re: #304 windsagio
reminds me of a funny story.
My German teacher in HS was a VERY German east German immigrant.
Her position on religion: "Of course its not true, but we always went to Church to spite the Government!"
I guess being denied something makes you really cherish it, and having something be the law of the land makes it unpaletable.
In other words - freedom is the ticket.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:48:28pm |
re: #259 albusteve
just consider the rise of the Atheist Nation...when they come to power and force all religious properties and assets be turned over to the State, and their activities considered illegal...secular America
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Gus Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:49:13pm |
re: #307 iceweasel
Atheist kittehs say Mao!
//
Mao, mao. Mao, mao. Mao, mao.
Uh oh. Kitehs all growd up now in teh heat.
//
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:50:02pm |
re: #298 Racer X
I'm kinda bummed. The Earth Race was a really cool ship. Those morons put her right in front of a Japanese trawler. I doubt it even scratched the Japanese boat as it went under it.
You hire a couple of Somali pirates and put them out to sea funded by Greenpeace...Nobody would be hunting Whales that's for sure..
/
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cliffster Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:51:48pm |
Hey HH - in the Spurs/Pistons game, a board broke and came up from the ground. Literally - one of the hardwoods popped out and left a hole in the ground. What's the rule on that?
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Gus Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:51:56pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:52:22pm |
re: #309 Naso Tang
(snip)
What is that word again... for projecting the present on the past?
History.
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:52:40pm |
re: #313 HoosierHoops
man, I'm becoming the 'reference Southpark guy', and thats not a good thing.
Still:
[Link: www.southparkstudios.com...]
"Fuck you whales!"
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:52:55pm |
re: #309 Naso Tang
What is that word again... for projecting the present on the past?
Anachronistic? Not sure.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:52:57pm |
re: #251 HoosierHoops
And, I think if I'd been "close" to Tiger, I'd be getting some medical cooties tests.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:53:42pm |
re: #309 Naso Tang
When it was imposed from the top many people practiced their pagan beliefs in private for quite some time after the official founding. Some small sects never really took to it at all.
When it was worked in through missionaries in communities the faith was more ridgid.
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Racer X Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:57:31pm |
Gilbert Arenas suspended indefinitely
NBA commissioner David Stern indefinitely suspended Washington Wizards guard Gilbert Arenas without pay on Wednesday.
The three-time All-Star has admitted to bringing guns into the Verizon Center locker room and is under investigation by local and federal authorities.
Stern took action the day after Arenas pointed his index fingers as if they were guns at his teammates as the Wizards huddled before a game in Philadelphia. The Wizards called his conduct "unacceptable" and said Wednesday that they supported Stern's decision.
Stern said Arenas' behavior "will ultimately result in a substantial suspension, and perhaps worse," and that the Wizards' leading scorer "is not currently fit to take the court in an NBA game."
Plaxico Burress was unavailable for comment.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:57:51pm |
re: #314 Naso Tang
Brilliant.
I figure..Why not? The Somali pirates have pretty much kicked the ass out of all the world's Navies...So..Why not hire them? A whale hunting fleet is no match against the Somali's...
/
//It would ba a Huge Youtube hit showing crazed Somali's waving their AK-47's aboard a captured whalehunting ship ship screaming Save the Whale in broken English...
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:58:11pm |
I recently read an interesting history book,
" A world lit only by fire"
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
That had a large section on Martin Luther
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
And, I think Christianity can continue to evolve.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:58:47pm |
re: #317 Decatur Deb
History.
No, there is a word. It'll come to after I log off, which means exactly what I said. History is not it.
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Vambo Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:59:20pm |
re: #301 The Sanity Inspector
Not all religions are the same. Christianity can answer the question "what did they leave behind" better than most.
As before, the genius of India has taken from her aggressors
the most spiritually significant principle of their culture and
fashioned of it a new message of hope for mankind. There is in
Christianity the great doctrine that God became man in order to save
humanity by taking the burden of its sin and suffering on Himself,
here in this very world, not the next. That the starving must be fed,
the ragged clad, has been emphasized by Christianity as no other
religion has done. Charity, benevolence, and the like, no doubt have
an important place in the religions of our country as well, but there
they are are in practice circumscribed within much narrower limits,
and are only partially inspired by love of man. And to our great good
fortune, Gandhiji was able to receive this teaching of Christ in a
living way. It was fortunate that he had not to learn of Christianity
through professional experts, but should have found in Tolstoi a
teacher who realized the value of non-violence through the
multifarious experience of his own life struggles. For it was this
great gift from Europe that our country had all along been awaiting.
--Rabindranath Tagore
Cool! I wish we had Christianity in the USA.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:59:27pm |
re: #316 Gus 802
That wasn't about atheism. That was about power.
In the Soviet era, the two were one & the same.
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Racer X Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:59:54pm |
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:00:48pm |
re: #321 wozzablog
Some danes went crusading - but exspansionist glory for Rome wasnt particularly the Scandinavian way. For a hundred years after Christianity founded they kept bothering the British and raiding - but for treasure and women.
The Viking way of doing things did not end up in the French/Spanish/English versions where the Kings desptached armys to further the glory of God around the world.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:01:33pm |
Combining religion and evil is a bad thing.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:01:36pm |
re: #330 Racer X
Better video:
Sea Shepherd Ship Collision - シーシェパー&# x30C9;妨害船が日 72C;調査船に衝ި 1;
[Video]
Much better, thanks!
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:01:40pm |
re: #323 HoosierHoops
I figure..Why not? The Somali pirates have pretty much kicked the ass out of all the world's Navies...So..Why not hire them? A whale hunting fleet is no match against the Somali's...
/
//It would ba a Huge Youtube hit showing crazed Somali's waving their AK-47's aboard a captured whalehunting ship ship screaming Save the Whale in broken English...
Of course they will have to wearing dry suits when hit by 30 degree (F) water cannons, and I have a feeling that Japanese whalers will not have a prohibition (which I can't comprehend elsewhere) against carrying a few dozen assault rifles for the crew.
Still, it was a fun thought for the moment..
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:01:58pm |
re: #326 Vambo
Cool! I wish we had Christianity in the USA.
If the charitable spirit were to vanish from the national character, you would soon notice, & be sorry for the lack.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:02:04pm |
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Randall Gross Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:02:08pm |
re: #198 Gus 802
BJ and most of VB are Fundy Catholics nearing the SSPX types in Radical fundamentalism.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:02:23pm |
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:02:53pm |
re: #336 The Sanity Inspector
Charity and religion are not mutually inclusive.
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cliffster Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:02:54pm |
re: #326 Vambo
Cool! I wish we had Christianity in the USA.
That's piss poor. Do you have any idea how much Christian churches in the US do to feed and cloth the poor? Your flippant statement trivializes the enormous work done by very good people across the nation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:03:01pm |
re: #338 Thanos
BJ and most of VB are Fundy Catholics nearing the SSPX types in Radical fundamentalism.
And as far as I'm concerned, those are not real Catholics at all.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:03:41pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:03:49pm |
I read a review of Ralph Nader's first novel in reason today. It looks like something that might be unintentionally hilarious. I may have to get it from the library.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:04:09pm |
re: #339 Naso Tang
You just ahve to log off & have a good nights sleep!
You'll wake up with the word in the morning.
( It usually works for me!)
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:04:11pm |
Point of priviledge:
Theres nothing more off-puting than reading an otherwise thoughtfull and intelligint comment ridled with careless speling mistakes.
Please use the "check spelling" feature if your not sure.
Thank you.
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jaunte Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:05:45pm |
re: #344 Mad Al-Jaffee
From the Amazon review:
"This vivid fictional account by three-time presidential candidate and best-selling author Ralph Nader asks: What if several of America’s wealthiest individuals decided it was time to work for the collective good?"
Maybe he teamed up with Harry Turtledove?
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:05:55pm |
re: #346 Spare O'Lake
Point of priviledge:
Theres nothing more off-puting than reading an otherwise thoughtfull and intelligint comment ridled with careless speling mistakes.
Please use the "check spelling" feature if your not sure.
Thank you.
PIMF is shorter
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:06:01pm |
re: #341 cliffster
Atheist, Jewish, Muslim and Hindu groups also do sterling work.
Some christian sects don't particularly help themselves when the buildings housing their ministrys are more opulent than - to put it politely - is strictly required by modesty.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:06:50pm |
re: #345 Floral Giraffe
You just ahve to log off & have a good nights sleep!
You'll wake up with the word in the morning.
( It usually works for me!)
Big storm hits in 3 hours! The morning is going to s*ck..
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Gus Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:07:01pm |
re: #327 The Sanity Inspector
In the Soviet era, the two were one & the same.
Atheism is variable. There is not one atheist manifesto. To say that Stalin represents all atheism is a gross generalization any more than saying Islam represents terrorism or anything else that was done under the name of Christianity.
Adding to the irony of human irrationality is that video which is hosted by an anti-Semite at Youtube that quotes Karl Marx and essentially blames Jews for the Stalinist persecution of Orthodox Christians.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:07:16pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:07:17pm |
re: #324 Floral Giraffe
And, I think Christianity can continue to evolve.
Possibly but I have doubts that it can evolve fast enough. There have been thousands (if not millions) of religions throughout human history. They all disappear eventually.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:07:17pm |
re: #342 SanFranciscoZionist
And as far as I'm concerned, those are not real Catholics at all.
Merci!
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Randall Gross Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:07:33pm |
The saddest thing about this : your child is safer with a homosexual than with one of these fundamentalist theocrat types. Time after time in their more extreme sects you see child sexual abuse. FLDS/Warren Jeffs, Branch Davidians, Strong City and many others come to mind. It's almost always about the wise patriarch having sex with multiple wifes and in all cases mentioned before they came of age.
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Varek Raith Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:07:38pm |
re: #353 HoosierHoops
Big storm hits in 3 hours! The morning is going to s*ck..
How much are you forecast to get?
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darthstar Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:07:39pm |
re: #307 iceweasel
Atheist kittehs say Mao!
//
I used to ask my cat, "Who's your favorite commie?"
"Mao"
Or "What's your favorite space station?"
"Meeer" (Mir)
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:07:41pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:08:01pm |
re: #348 jaunte
From the Amazon review:
Maybe he teamed up with Harry Turtledove?
Warren Buffett and Yoko Ono are among the heroes in the book. And one of the villains is a right wing radio host named Bush Bimbaugh.
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abolitionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:08:24pm |
Related videos:
October 20, 2007, from Russia with love, Scott Lively style:
Scott Lively speaks at a WOTW conference in Novosibirsk, Russia.
Scott Lively, part 1 (of several) - Homosexuality and the Nazi Party - intro by Bob Kowell & Richard D. Ackerman
Disclaimers: I've not yet seen the others. This is not an endorsement.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:08:30pm |
re: #340 wozzablog
Charity and religion are not mutually inclusive.
The next time I see the Bertrand Russell Society out doing flood relief work will be the first time.
Maybe our common ground can be this thought:
The visible church is all the people who get together from time to time in God's name. Anybody can find out who they are by going to look.
The invisible church is all the people God uses for hands and feet in this world. Nobody can find out who they are except God.
Think of them as two circles. The optimist says they are concentric. The cynic says they don't even touch. The realist says they occasionally overlap.
-- Frederick Buechner
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windsagio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:08:58pm |
re: #358 Thanos
not quite to that level, but one of my Aunts is a serious Young-earth homeschool fundie. I always feel bad for her kids.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:09:38pm |
re: #342 SanFranciscoZionist
And as far as I'm concerned, those are not real Catholics at all.
They are until their bishops say so.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:09:42pm |
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:10:29pm |
re: #361 HoosierHoops
Indiana...
I may have said, but I'm in north Georgia now. It has been 5 degrees every morning this week, and not over 15 in the day even with the sun shining. I'm hoping for some snow to warm things up.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:10:32pm |
re: #360 darthstar
A guy has a talking dog. He brings it to a talent scout. "This dog can speak English," he claims to the unimpressed agent. "Okay, Sport," the guys says to the dog, "what’s on the top of a house?" "Roof!" the dog replies.
"Oh, come on..." the talent agent responds. "All dogs go ‘roof’."
"No, wait," the guy says. He asks the dog "what does sandpaper feel like?" "Rough!" the dog answers.
The talent agent gives a condescending blank stare. He is losing his patience.
"No, hang on," the guy says. "This one will amaze you."
He turns and asks the dog: "Who, in your opinion, was the greatest baseball player of all time?" "Ruth!" goes the dog. And the talent scout, having seen enough, boots them out of his office onto the street.
And the dog turns to the guy and says "Maybe I shoulda said DiMaggio?"
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Bulldoglover100 Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:10:36pm |
One of my cousins home schooled all 12 of her children and 6 are in college now. I don't feel sorry for them nor do I feel it was a bad thing. To each their own and no one should decide that their way is the only way. Just my opinion.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:11:25pm |
re: #359 Varek Raith
How much are you forecast to get?
5-7" coming in at 3am.. I parked the car down the driveway...Way to much snow to shovel at 7am...
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:11:40pm |
re: #366 Decatur Deb
They are until their bishops say so.
OK, fair enough. I'm just horrified by some of the stuff coming from that direction these days.
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darthstar Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:12:19pm |
re: #369 Mad Al-Jaffee
That's one of my wife's favorite jokes.
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cliffster Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:12:38pm |
re: #368 Naso Tang
I may have said, but I'm in north Georgia now. It has been 5 degrees every morning this week, and not over 15 in the day even with the sun shining. I'm hoping for some snow to warm things up.
Fahrenheit? In Georgia??
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:13:01pm |
re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, fair enough. I'm just horrified by some of the stuff coming from that direction these days.
You can always hope they tend to the LeFevre "Old Catholics".
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andres Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:13:11pm |
Gut-wrenching. I need to take a bath.
re: #5 albusteve
inspired by god no less...he a judge and jury unto himself...his motivation is pious...in other words a lunatic
Many evils have been perpetrated in the name of God.
re: #24 Vambo
WTF?????
re: #96 Killgore Trout
Maybe I'm cynical, but I wouldn't count on that mentality being dead yet. It still needs to be exposed for what it really is.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:13:20pm |
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:13:39pm |
re: #364 The Sanity Inspector
The next time I see the Bertrand Russell Society out doing flood relief work will be the first time.
The thing is, as individualists there is nothing preventing them from doing so individually and collectively they probably figure they would rather focus on Bertrand Russel stuff when they get together.
Perhaps you know different?
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:14:05pm |
re: #354 Gus 802
Atheism is variable. There is not one atheist manifesto. To say that Stalin represents all atheism is a gross generalization any more than saying Islam represents terrorism or anything else that was done under the name of Christianity.
Well sadly, he's the poster boy for Atheism At The National Helm.
Adding to the irony of human irrationality is that video which is hosted by an anti-Semite at Youtube that quotes Karl Marx and essentially blames Jews for the Stalinist persecution of Orthodox Christians.
Really? I regret that, then. I searched out only the archival footage, which I had seen before in more reputable presentations.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:14:19pm |
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Vambo Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:14:56pm |
re: #336 The Sanity Inspector
If the charitable spirit were to vanish from the national character, you would soon notice, & be sorry for the lack.
Anyone can have "charitable spirit".... actually being charitable is something else.
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Spare O'Lake Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:16:15pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:16:18pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:17:09pm |
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:17:31pm |
re: #364 The Sanity Inspector
[Link: www.humanism.org.uk...]
A British charity doing great work across all sorts of fields.
To deny the charitable nature of individuals based on the acceptance of a personal saviour is not helpful - i doubt that was the intention of your comment - but it is a not uncommon sentiment held by religious people about their irreligious equals.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:17:36pm |
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Achilles Tang Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:18:20pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:18:34pm |
Stewart has the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs----'Nite All.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:18:40pm |
re: #381 Vambo
Anyone can have "charitable spirit"... actually being charitable is something else.
Well, do look through some of the links I provided upthread. No offense, but I suspect you're too young and/or too unobservant to have earned that kind of cynicism.
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:21:02pm |
re: #387 Naso Tang
Drop me a line when you do.
Almost made it to the Olympics.. Did have a friend that was a trainer for the weight lifting team that went...
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abolitionist Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:21:21pm |
re: #363 abolitionist
From part 2, Scott Lively says,
I just returned 3 weeks ago from Uganda, where I addressed Members of Parliament, the Ugandan Christian Lawyers Association; I spoke to probably more than 10,000 people on these issues...
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:21:50pm |
Well, it always gets interesting here just when it's my bedtime. If you're the keeping people in mind type, keep me in mind tomorrow. Got an unpleasant meeting with the higher-ups to navigate. 'Night...
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:22:48pm |
G'night all/
04:22 and i got to get up and face the sheet ice and appointments.
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:22:54pm |
re: #390 HoosierHoops
Almost made it to the Olympics.. Did have a friend that was a trainer for the weight lifting team that went...
Joke from 1996: How can you tell the Olympics are in town? Answer: When the menu at McDonald's says "Happy Meal--Market Price", the Olympics are in town.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:24:05pm |
re: #318 windsagio
man, I'm becoming the 'reference Southpark guy', and thats not a good thing.
Still:
[Link: www.southparkstudios.com...]
"Fuck you whales!"
It's "Fuck you whares!"
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:34:56pm |
re: #353 HoosierHoops
Be safe, my friend!
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celticdragon Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:35:02pm |
re: #284 SteveC
Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure!
We have some CN20. Nerve gas the whole nest!
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Mich-again Wed, Jan 6, 2010 8:38:30pm |
This is pretty funny. From the Failblog, A nasty note from a creationist parent on the bottom of the field trip form for a visit to The Rocks and Mineral Festival .. I bet that kid is popular in class
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jan 6, 2010 9:09:00pm |
re: #174 Decatur Deb
Yes, sign up now and join the faith based faith of Stephen with a "PH" if I remember that skit correctly...
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MartiansAteMyCat Wed, Jan 6, 2010 9:14:09pm |
Whether it was my suggestion in the overnight open thread, or just your independent ongoing research that prompted you to post this, thank you, Charles.
Many of you non-religious, non-gay reasonable people here on LGF have NO IDEA just how low the right wing will go to make all GLBT people out to be evil, destructive monsters.
The fact the right wing is anti-gay isn't the worst part. The danger is that they're living in their own alternate universe, where facts they don't like are simply ignored and new ones are created out of whole cloth for an audience who never questions the claims of anyone who is a Good Christian.
Because Good Christians never lie. Never.
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Spricio Wed, Jan 6, 2010 10:21:04pm |
re: #403 MartiansAteMyCat
Man, that definatly goes both ways. You can intercahnge liberal in there and it will still work. Both sides are unreasonable. Both sides bark at each other and will not change each others minds.
I blame the media.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Jan 6, 2010 10:45:06pm |
re: #260 WindUpBird
Hey I found Guns of the South to be a very good read! I know the premise sounds silly but he really does carry it off well!
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Doggiewoggie Wed, Jan 6, 2010 11:13:08pm |
That was utterly chilling... terrible, terrible. To go to Africa to fuel paranoia by claiming that the Rwanda genocide was perpetrated by gays is unconscionable. When the Ugandans begin massacring gays and others, who will make this man pay for the blood on his hands?
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idioma Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:11:37am |
If the "Sekret Gayz" want to destroy the marriage-based society, and promote promiscuity, then why the hell would the gay community fight so hard for equal marriage rights?
This does not compute.
I am embarrassed that this is an issue in 2010.
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