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The term derives from "trolling", a style of fishing which involves trailing bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The troll posts a message, often in response to an honest question, that is intended to upset, disrupt or simply insult the group.
Usually, it will fail, as the troll rarely bothers to match the tone or style of the group, and usually its ignorance shows.
Why do trolls do it?
I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.
Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.
For trolls, any response is 'recognition'; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.
Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it's a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?
Remember that trolls are cowards; they'll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that's what they do!).
No self-respecting troll would live under that bridge.
Maybe a hobo or two, but even that's stretching it a bit.
The most you could hope for is a couple of discarded troll dolls like those which were popular in the 60's, and even they would be embarrassed to live there.
Well, I see that PJM has gone to the devil himself, so to speak, in their quest for AGW-denialism. Tonight they posted a short (and absurd) essay by Joseph Bast, president of the Heartland Institute, one of the main organs of AGW science denialism (along with tobacco carcinogen denial, etc.)
Well, I see that PJM has gone to the devil himself, so to speak, in their quest for AGW-denialism. Tonight they posted a short (and absurd) essay by Joseph Bast, president of the Heartland Institute, one of the main organs of AGW science denialism (along with tobacco carcinogen denial, etc.)
Makes you wonder who spiked the Kool-Aid over there - and why.
They started off as a pretty reasonable, decent bunch.
James W. von Brunn, who was accused of fatally shooting a security guard at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington in June, died on Wednesday at a hospital in North Carolina, near the federal prison where he was being held. He was 89.
His court-appointed lawyer, A. J. Kramer, said Mr. von Brunn had died of natural causes after having a history of chronic diseases. “He had been bedridden,” Mr. Kramer said. “He had never really recovered the use of his legs, and it was a continual deterioration of his health.”
Mr. von Brunn, who had been known to the authorities for anti-Semitic and white supremacist views before the museum shooting, was indicted in July on charges including first-degree murder in the death of a museum guard, Stephen T. Johns.
As much as I would have liked to see justice play out in this case, on the upside it saves taxpayers the expense of a trial, and deprives this disturbed individual of a platform from which to spray his hate and disease.
As much as I would have liked to see justice play out in this case, on the upside it saves taxpayers the expense of a trial, and deprives this disturbed individual of a platform from which to spray his hate and disease.
You're not going to get kimchi with thoughts like that...
Probably the only sit-com I actually watch. Portia is great in it, and I am happy to see her on the tube again. Her character on Arrested Development always cracked me up.
It's weird how Portland has become a hippie hangout, because they used to be conservative politically and economically, but liberal, socially.
Now it's all liberal everything.
Kind of like California.
Which is pretty much totally screwed by the leftist takeover and rigging of the entire government and electoral system.
A Canadian! In Florida! I'm writing my congressman about this.
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I am not lying here.. I had 16 people from Canada in my house at one time for at least 10 days. OMG!!! And I was the only one who knew how to make B&G.
Probably the only sit-com I actually watch. Portia is great in it, and I am happy to see her on the tube again. Her character on Arrested Development always cracked me up.
Okay now, what is "B&G"? Some commie Canadian plot?
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Seriously though, what is it?
Biscuits and gravy. If you never had it, thank yourself. If you have heard of it, ya better learn to make it. Actually it is sausage gravy. Like nothin' you have had. Yummie!!!
Oh, got it. Actually, I am not a fan of it. I probably consume a grand total of two tablespoons of gravy per year, at Thanksgiving, and that's only because my mom makes it. Granted, her gravy is awesome, but I'm just not into gravy.
I am not lying here.. I had 16 people from Canada in my house at one time for at least 10 days. OMG!!! And I was the only one who knew how to make B&G.
Oh, got it. Actually, I am not a fan of it. I probably consume a grand total of two tablespoons of gravy per year, at Thanksgiving, and that's only because my mom makes it. Granted, her gravy is awesome, but I'm just not into gravy.
There is a difference. B&G sticks to you. It is a good morning food.
I must impose a self imposed Iron Fist rule. I have worked 7 days in a row. That isn't a bad thing. But I am tired. And I must go to the CCA Ranch tomorrow. I might mow yard. I might not. Geez, I was bitching about 95 degree heat about 6 months ago.
Heck, I'm not even a Southerner. The farthest south I've ever been was New Mexico. But I have had the great fortune of having friends from all over the country.
When I was a teen, one friend of mine was a transplant from the south. He fixed us up a batch of grits (my first time trying them), and I asked "Where's the sugar"?
He looked at me like I was about to stab a puppy with a crucifix. "You don't put sugar on grits! Butter, salt, pepper, bacon! No fucking sugar!"
Heck, I'm not even a Southerner. The farthest south I've ever been was New Mexico. But I have had the great fortune of having friends from all over the country.
When I was a teen, one friend of mine was a transplant from the south. He fixed us up a batch of grits (my first time trying them), and I asked "Where's the sugar"?
He looked at me like I was about to stab a puppy with a crucifix. "You don't put sugar on grits! Butter, salt, pepper, bacon! No fucking sugar!"
Nope, he was dead right. It's delicious as hell that way, and I don't have much of a sweet tooth to begin with. My bacon tooth could probably fell an elephant, though.
Best biscuits and gravy I ever had was in Moab, Utah, at a restaurant that also did the catering for the firefighters. I was ready to go out and stamp out a 4,000-acre blaze.
It even succeeded in determining which missiles to shoot down - those whose trajectory made them likely to land in a populated area - and which to ignore.
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The first operational battery is expected to be deployed in May.
Six shells exploded in the northwestern Negev, three others struck near the Kerem Shalom crossing with Gaza, while another exploded in the coastal strip.
The Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) claimed responsibility Thursday for the mortar fire.
The agency has set a goal of answering only 71 percent of calls to its toll-free help line this year, and those fortunate enough to get through are expected to spend an average of 12 minutes on hold, according to a report released Wednesday by an IRS ombudsman.
"This level of service is unacceptable," National Taxpayer Advocate Nina E. Olson said, calling it the "number one most serious problem for taxpayers."
The move ends – temporarily at least – the public career of the city’s first female mayor and a longtime force in Baltimore politics. It also concludes a political and legal drama that has consumed the city for months.
“Today is a sad day,” Mayor Dixon said at a late afternoon press conference, unusually choked up for a woman who has long projected a tough-as-nails public image. “It is a cloud. But the sun comes out.”
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Earlier in the day, Dixon had entered an Alford plea to one count of perjury – a charge related to prosecutors’ assertion that she had failed to disclose gifts from her former boyfriend and prominent Baltimore developer, Ronald Lipscomb. The Alford plea means that although Dixon does not admit guilt, she recognizes that prosecutors have enough evidence to convict her.
Mr. Lipscomb’s gifts were to be the subject of a trial scheduled to begin in March. Last month, in a separate trial, a jury convicted the mayor of taking for her own use gift cards donated for the city’s poor.
Under Wednesday’s agreement, prosecutors asked the court to strike last month’s guilty verdict and give Dixon probation before judgment – a legal status that means the mayor does not have a criminal conviction. She will serve no jail time, keep her $83,000 a year pension and after two years will be able to run again for office.
In return, the mayor has pledged to step down from office as of Feb. 4. Dixon will also receive four years of unsupervised probation, contribute 500 hours of community service, and donate $45,000 to charity.
The protesters pelted cars with stones. Earlier, they smashed ambulances at the hospital in frustration over delays in turning over the bodies for burial. A security official says police fired tear gas to disperse the crowd.
The official and witnesses spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
The riots follow an attack the previous night, in which three gunmen in a car sprayed automatic gunfire into a crowd leaving a church in the town of Nag Hamadi, about 40 miles from the ancient ruins of Luxor. The lead attacker is identified as a Muslim.
"The information provided to us is that Umar Farouk (Abdulmutallab) joined al Qaeda in London," Rshad al-Alimi, Yemen's Deputy Prime Minister for Defense and Security, told a news conference on Thursday.
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I too am sick of the Israelis for their contempt for the interests of their most important ally, their continuation of brutalizing colonization of the West Bank, their shameless ethnic engineering in East Jerusalem, their pulverization of Gaza, the direct manipulation of domestic American politics by their ambassador, and on and on. And, yes, I'm also sick of the war crimes and theocratic insanity of Hamas, and the lame passive-aggression of the PA, and the inability of the Palestinian leadership to prepare for actual governance as opposed to the victimized preening and theatrics and violence they prefer to the difficult compromises required if we are to move forward.
And if Rahm Emanuel is sick of them all, one can imagine how the average American feels. My own view is moving toward supporting a direct American military imposition of a two-state solution, with NATO troops on the borders of the new states of Palestine and Israel. I'm sick of having a great power like the US being dictated to in the conduct of its own foreign policy by an ally that provides almost no real benefit to the US, and more and more costs.
My own view is moving toward supporting a direct American military imposition of a two-state solution, with NATO troops on the borders of the new states of Palestine and Israel.
I was in Atlanta for a doctor's appointment trying to answer some e-mail. Couldn't get a connection, but thought that since my computer was new and I hadn't used it much, I was doing it wrong. Finally gave up and went down to the hotel Business Center.
Business Center computers couldn't reach the net, either. So I walked around to the Front Desk and asked "Is the hotel having problems with their internet connection or am I just having a really bad day?"
Front desk clerk says a truck backed into the wireless internet box in the parking lot and its broken. It won't work until tomorrow sometime. Now go back to your room.
Hello?!?! I know I look young, but not that young! And whatever happened to courtesy and manners? So I asked him if it was wireless internet, why is there even a box?
...My own view is moving toward supporting a direct American military imposition of a two-state solution, with NATO troops on the borders of the new states of Palestine and Israel.
That sounds like a request to invade Israel. What a tool.
My own view is moving toward supporting a direct American military imposition of a two-state solution, with NATO troops on the borders of the new states of Palestine and Israel.
Wasn't that the POV of Samantha Powers who worked for BHO's transition team in the State Department and who now is on the National Security Council and who is married to Cass Sunstein, Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs?
My own view is moving toward supporting a direct American military imposition of a two-state solution, with NATO troops on the borders of the new states of Palestine and Israel.
I just know the NATO countries are going to be begging for that assignment...
The comments come after reports that Rahm Emanuel recently told an Israeli diplomat that the U.S. is fed up with both sides, and said that Washington would reduce its involvement in peace efforts if no significant progress was made.
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Emanuel added that if there is no progress in the peace process, the Obama administration will reduce its involvement in the conflict, because, as he reportedly said, the U.S. has other matters to deal with.
I flipped through some of the recent sullivan posts and came across the politico kerfluffle.
[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]
How dare politico print something that evil Cheney said./ There is a lot of pointing out of silly outrage here, this should be bumped to the top of the list.
I flipped through some of the recent sullivan posts and came across the politico kerfluffle.
[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]
How dare politico print something that evil Cheney said./ There is a lot of pointing out of silly outrage here, this should be bumped to the top of the list.
Remember, Dick said stuff after he was out of office. Unlike Clinton, Carter, etc.
Speaking of tools, I can't believe I missed Balloon boy dad on Larry King last night. Morning Joe is having a good time playing clips. I still say his kid blurting out on live tv that the whole thing was a hoax was the funniest bit of TV in 2009.
"President Obama’s top budget official acknowledged Wednesday fathering a child out of wedlock, less than two weeks after announcing his engagement to another woman."
This ought to get the Right Wingnuts seathing about the moral decay that this administration is promoting.
Speaking of tools, I can't believe I missed Balloon boy dad on Larry King last night. Morning Joe is having a good time playing clips. I still say his kid blurting out on live tv that the whole thing was a hoax was the funniest bit of TV in 2009.
Or pukin'! Can't forget that award winning "the game is up!" puke! On two networks, nonetheless!
According to virulent anti-semite Pat Buchanan, yes they do.
Many asshats parrot this ridiculous meme in order to scapegoat tiny Israel for the global Islamofascist terrorist threat.
///Israel is the evil puppetmaster behind all the world's problems.///
According to virulent anti-semite Pat Buchanan, yes they do.
Many asshats parrot this ridiculous meme in order to scapegoat tiny Israel for the global Islamofascist terrorist threat.
///Israel is the evil puppetmaster behind all the world's problems.///
Puking is a good one, but you can't beat a good fart joke. Listen closely to the part right after the boy blurts out "you said we did it for the show" His dad says "man..." then...
According to virulent anti-semite Pat Buchanan, yes they do.
Many asshats parrot this ridiculous meme in order to scapegoat tiny Israel for the global Islamofascist terrorist threat.
///Israel is the evil puppetmaster behind all the world's problems.///
I know - I hear this and I wonder - do people really think the world's Jews have that much power?
One of my absolute favorites. I should print that out, but it'd probably offend someone here. I'm already on the borderline by hanging Dilbert cartoons in my cube.
One of my absolute favorites. I should print that out, but it'd probably offend someone here. I'm already on the borderline by hanging Dilbert cartoons in my cube.
The Qom Theological Lecturers Association, a regime-aligned grouping of clerics, mandated Saturday that Ayatollah Yusuf Sanei’s edicts are no longer religiously binding. The ruling was furiously disputed by the rival Association of the Lecturers and Scholars of Qom Theological Seminary and the Association of Combatant Clerics.
“It’ll be tough work [defrocking Sanei],” says Nicola Pedde, director of the Rome-based Institute for Global Studies and a frequent visitor to Iran. “It’ll provoke a massive movement from the clerical side and, possibly, totally and completely religiously delegitimize the regime.”
The crucial background struggle waged by the government and opposition supporters over religious legitimacy has taken backstage to the high-profile coverage of street-level political and social tensions. But the religious dimension is crucial in an Islamic Republic, where it is customary for members of the majority Shiite Muslim population to select an ayatollah as a religious and social object of emulation and donate to him a fifth of their income.
Gallup.com: “The increased conservatism that Gallup first identified among Americans last June persisted throughout the year, so that the final year-end political ideology figures confirm Gallup’s initial reporting: conservatives (40%) outnumbered both moderates (36%) and liberals (21%) across the nation in 2009.”
My views are all within the top 97%, I'm a little of each.
What Does the Detroit Bomber Know?
The president's job is not detecting bombs at the airport but neutralizing terrorists before they get there.
Well-deserved mockery has already been heaped on the move-along-folks-nothing-to-see-here tone of the administration's initial pronouncements—from Janet Napolitano's "the system worked," to President Obama's statement that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was an "isolated extremist." This week brought little improvement.
The president acknowledged that the plot had been hatched in Yemen, but not without adding the misleading statement that Yemen faces "crushing poverty and deadly insurgencies." That Yemenis have to cope with "crushing poverty" is irrelevant here. Abdulmutallab is the son of a wealthy Nigerian banker. Other jihadists, including the physician who blew himself up and killed seven CIA agents in Afghanistan last week, and indeed the millionaire Osama bin Laden, prove that poverty does not beget terrorists.
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Holding Abdulmutallab for a time in military custody, regardless of where he is ultimately to be charged, would have been entirely lawful—even in the view of the current administration, which has taken the position that it needs no further legislative authority to hold dangerous detainees even for a lengthy period in the United States. Then we could decide at relative leisure where to charge him—whether before a military commission or before a civilian court.
Mornin', all - no time to catch up this a.m. (busier than a one-legged man in a butt kicking contest and multitasking in about three areas, counting this one), but wanted to say "hi." I see we hit the 8 mil comment mark! Woohoo!!!
The federal appeals court in Washington, D.C., noted that all of his arguments "rely heavily on the premise that the war powers granted by the AUMF (Authorization for Use of Military Force) and other statutes are limited by the international laws of war."
"This premise is mistaken," Judge Janice Rogers Brown wrote. "The international laws of war ... have not been implemented domestically by Congress and are therefore not a source of authority for U.S. courts." She added that the laws of war are "by nature contestable and fluid," and that the president has the power to "exceed those bounds."
Turning to domestic law, she said al-Bihani fit the government's definition of legal detainees as those who "substantially support" enemy forces. Anyone subject to a military commission trial is subject to detention, Brown added, including those who are "part of forces associated with al-Qaida or the Taliban or those who purposefully and materially support such forces in hostilities against U.S. Coalition partners."
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The court also rejected al-Bihani's claim that the government needed to prove the charges against him on "clear and convincing evidence," rather than the more lenient "preponderance of evidence" standard. The government need only satisfy the lower burden in defending "a wartime detention -- where national security interests are at their zenith and the rights of the alien petitioner at their nadir," the court ruled.
In other words, we can hold him as long as we choose.
They believe that the Haqqani network, which controls the area around Khost where the bombing occurred on Dec 30, authorised if not aided the Jordanian double agent who carried out the deadliest attack on the US spy agency for 30 years.
Michael Scheuer, the former head of the CIA unit tracking bin Laden, said: "There is no way this operation would have occurred in Khost without the knowledge and active support of Jalaluddin Haqqani and/or his son.
"They and their organisation own the area and nothing occurs that would impact their tribe or its allies without their knowledge or OK.
The international laws of war do not limit the U.S. government's power to detain suspected terrorists or their supporters at Guantanamo Bay, the D.C. Circuit ruled in a decision meant to "narrow the legal uncertainty that clouds military detention."
I'm sorry, but since this person was arrested for a specific crime, not military action, I don't see how that applies. It also is not a situation where I would be comfortable with the state having that level of power, either.
In unrelated news, here's a hilarious and terrifying thread about the experiences of ER doctors with dumb, crazy, or altered patients.
Officials from the Transport Security Administration discovered Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's name on the Customs and Border Protection database after he boarded his Northwest flight in Amsterdam and were waiting to question him upon landing in Detroit, according to senior law enforcement officials.
The disclosure appears to show US intelligence was close to uncovering the terrorist plot, despite the barrage of criticism it has come under since Abdulmutallab, 23, failed to detonate a bomb aboard a Northwest airliner on Christmas Day.
he was picked up, classified as a military detainee, and sent to gitmo for "supplying material support" and being a member of al-queda. The president has all the authority he needs to have done the same thing for the pantie bomber.
The fighting took place in Lal Chowk, the main business centre at the heart of Srinagar, Kashmir's summer capital, and fighting was continuing, police said.
"One or two militants are believed to be hiding in a hotel in Lal Chowk and they are lobbing grenades and firing intermittently," a police officer told Reuters
Well, I see that PJM has gone to the devil himself, so to speak, in their quest for AGW-denialism. Tonight they posted a short (and absurd) essay by Joseph Bast, president of the Heartland Institute, one of the main organs of AGW science denialism (along with tobacco carcinogen denial, etc.)
The New Year's day attack raised new doubts over the pro-American government's efforts to contain Taliban militants.
Here are some possible scenarios as President Asif Ali Zardari faces mounting pressure from militants who appear to have adopted a new strategy of bombing large crowds in their bid to destabilise the country.
Big attacks against civilians would anger Pakistanis, most of whom reject the Taliban's ideology and violent methods. That was evident on Monday after a suicide bomber blew himself up among thousands of Shi'ite Muslims at a religious festival.
The attack in the commercial capital Karachi killed 43 people, and triggered riots which destroyed hundreds of buildings. A call for a strike to protest violence was observed by the public, a sign that the Taliban strategy could backfire.
Much will depend on the mood of Pakistanis. It's a complex issue. For instance, many were enraged last year after a video of Taliban militants flogging a young woman was circulated.
At the same time Zardari's close ties with Washington have deeply disappointed Pakistanis. U.S. drone missile attacks on militants on Pakistani soil, as well as a conditional U.S. aid package, have infuriated people who see it as a humiliating violation of sovereignty.
C'mon now. You know there isn't any argument over whether the president has the authority to classify this guy as a military detainee and toss him in gitmo. The only argument is if he should have, not if he can.
It's weird how Portland has become a hippie hangout, because they used to be conservative politically and economically, but liberal, socially.
Now it's all liberal everything.
Kind of like California.
Which is pretty much totally screwed by the leftist takeover and rigging of the entire government and electoral system.
Pakistan's portion of the divided Kashmir region had long been free of Islamist militant violence but there have been several attacks there over the past year.
The latest attack took place near the town of Rawalakot when cadets were going to school.
"It has yet to be determined whether it was a suicide bombing or a planted bomb," Javed Iqbal, chief of police in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, told Reuters.
Late last month, five people were killed in a suicide attack outside a Shi'ite Muslim meeting hall during Ashura, the Shi'ite calender's biggest event, in Muzaffarabad, capital of Pakistani Kashmir.
The violence in Kashmir has fuelled concern that the militants are trying to expand their campaign of violence in retaliation for a military offensive in their South Waziristan bastion on the Afghan border.
Hundreds of people have been killed in a wave of bomb attacks across Pakistan since the offensive in South Waziristan was launched in mid-October.
No, I don't know that. I am not a lawyer of any sort, and I do not see how the authority to detain people who were fighting against us on a foreign battlefield gives the ability to detain people who were attempting to commit a terrorist act here in the US. One seems much more reasonable than the other, to me.
I am also unsure as to what benefit you feel having him as a military prisoner would bring.
Biscuits and gravy. If you never had it, thank yourself. If you have heard of it, ya better learn to make it. Actually it is sausage gravy. Like nothin' you have had. Yummie!!!
Oh yes now you are talking. Serve with two sunny side up eggs and then go to the emergency room for your impending heart attack.
Worth it for sure :)))
Good Morning Lizards!
We are in the middle of a pretty bad snow storm.. I'm working from home this morning in my PJ's..
Mornin, Hoops. Wish we'd have gotten that kind of snow, but instead, it's supposed to be pretty wimpy. Still enough to bring out the Idiot Brigade and make my drive to work miserable, though.
By 2008 that figure had dropped to just 38, figures obtained by the Conservatives show.
The decline covers the period that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian who tried to blow up a plane over Detroit on Christmas Day, was studying in London.
There is also growing outrage over plans by Islamic extremists to stage a march through Wootton Bassett, the Wiltshire town renowned for honouring British servicemen killed in Afghanistan.
The Tories repeated their calls for the group, Islam4UK, which is led by Anjem Choudary, to be banned.
This sux. I walked out the front door of my shop just in time for a gust of wind to blow 3" of snow off my canopy and down on my head. I'm soaking wet and freezing.
This sux. I walked out the front door of my shop just in time for a gust of wind to blow 3" of snow off my canopy and down on my head. I'm soaking wet and freezing.
I wish I caught that on camera...
How is the storm hitting you up there? I'm working from home
The report, citing a statement by Tehran's revolutionary Court, did not identify the detainees or the date of their trials but the charge of 'moharebeh' -- an Islamic term meaning warring against God -- carries the death sentence.
I wish I caught that on camera...
How is the storm hitting you up there? I'm working from home
I'll trade you your snow for my cold. Apparently, the low down here in the flatlands is supposed to be on the order of -10 degrees F tonight and closer to -20 degrees F tomorrow night.
I sure miss California...I'm not adjusted to Indiana Weather yet.
At least if you want snow in California you can drive to Tahoe
Like dopefish said, it could be worse. I spent a couple years in the dakotas and haven't complained about an Indiana winter since. The only thing that bothers me around here is people seem to forget how to drive in snow from one year to the next.
Like dopefish said, it could be worse. I spent a couple years in the dakotas and haven't complained about an Indiana winter since. The only thing that bothers me around here is people seem to forget how to drive in snow from one year to the next.
Heh, where I live, 1-2 inches is enough to cause fools to fender-bender all day long. :/
Like dopefish said, it could be worse. I spent a couple years in the dakotas and haven't complained about an Indiana winter since. The only thing that bothers me around here is people seem to forget how to drive in snow from one year to the next.
That tends to be true of most snow-receiving states. Heck, it took me twice as long to get in to work this morning as usual, just because there was a little snow on the road. You'd think Minnesotans, of all people, would be okay with this.
Like dopefish said, it could be worse. I spent a couple years in the dakotas and haven't complained about an Indiana winter since. The only thing that bothers me around here is people seem to forget how to drive in snow from one year to the next.
True dat.. On the positive note..
1. working from home
2. ESPN on the Big Screen
3. A well stocked Beer fridge
4. LGF and all the great lizards
At some point in the parent/child dynamic roles seem to reverse, if one lives long enough.
Case in point:
Phone rings about dark-thirty yesterday. It is the Daughter,
"Hey Daddy. Can I talk to Mom?"
'Sure. Wait one' and I hand the phone over. I can hear one side of the conversation.
Wife, 'Yes, he has plenty of firewood on the porch, and more up the hill. He'll be okay...Don't worry so much, everything will be all right. Okay, bye now. Be careful on the road tomorrow.'
"What's up with that?" I ask.
'She's worried that you'll get to fooling around outside and hurt yourself and freeze to death before anyone notices that you're gone.'
At some point here I've become that guy. You know the one. The one without enough sense to come in out of the weather.
Uh... I don't think that's very safe ground, Mandy. I don't think that a black guy who doesn't like having to check a box identifying himself as a 'negro' has his knickers in a twist.
At some point in the parent/child dynamic roles seem to reverse, if one lives long enough.
Case in point:
Phone rings about dark-thirty yesterday. It is the Daughter,
"Hey Daddy. Can I talk to Mom?"
'Sure. Wait one' and I hand the phone over. I can hear one side of the conversation.
Wife, 'Yes, he has plenty of firewood on the porch, and more up the hill. He'll be okay...Don't worry so much, everything will be all right. Okay, bye now. Be careful on the road tomorrow.'
"What's up with that?" I ask.
'She's worried that you'll get to fooling around outside and hurt yourself and freeze to death before anyone notices that you're gone.'
At some point here I've become that guy. You know the one. The one without enough sense to come in out of the weather.
Uh... I don't think that's very safe ground, Mandy. I don't think that a black guy who doesn't like having to check a box identifying himself as a 'negro' has his knickers in a twist.
It might help if you were to actually read the article.
Question #9 on the this year's census asks about your race. One of the boxes you can choose is "black," "African American," or "negro," all placed next to the same box. Ingram said it's not a word he uses to identify neither himself nor anybody else.
The words are all next to the same box. If he checks it, he's saying that word applies to him.
Maybe. Could be. Personally I lean towards the idea that she doesn't want anything to happen to me because then she'll be the one that has to care for her mother.
I'm probably too cynical. The woman is a fine person, and considering how poorly we raised her she is an exceptional child.
C'mon now. You know there isn't any argument over whether the president has the authority to classify this guy as a military detainee and toss him in gitmo. The only argument is if he should have, not if he can.
The words are all next to the same box. If he checks it, he's saying that word applies to him.
Where and when I grew up "Negro" was the polite term, if somewhat stiff (United Negro College Fund). "Black" was dismissive and insulting. We have got to stop focusing on language fads and start looking at intent and context.
Miami-Dade police said in a statement Thursday that 43-year-old Mansor Mohammad Asad of Toledo, Ohio, faces several charges including disorderly conduct.
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The Transportation Security Administration says three of his companions were taken off the plane and questioned. The plane departed after a search.
No, I don't know that. I am not a lawyer of any sort, and I do not see how the authority to detain people who were fighting against us on a foreign battlefield gives the ability to detain people who were attempting to commit a terrorist act here in the US. One seems much more reasonable than the other, to me.
I am also unsure as to what benefit you feel having him as a military prisoner would bring.
He could be questioned longer under military rules. And he could still be released to civilian authoritys. As it is now he is lawyered up and playing make a deal.
Where and when I grew up "Negro" was the polite term, if somewhat stiff (United Negro College Fund). "Black" was dismissive and insulting. We have got to stop focusing on language fads and start looking at intent and context.
I don't understand why the NAACP doesn't change their name since "Colored" is offensive.
This sux. I walked out the front door of my shop just in time for a gust of wind to blow 3" of snow off my canopy and down on my head. I'm soaking wet and freezing.
I don't understand why the NAACP doesn't change their name since "Colored" is offensive.
It has served them well. There is no sense in trying to keep up with words that flow in and out of favor with electronic speed. Words are not offensive, people are offensive.
It has served them well. There is no sense in trying to keep up with words that flow in and out of favor with electronic speed. Words are not offensive, people are offensive.
Democratic leaders have been promising the most ethical, transparent, open and engaged administration for years. Instead, they have delivered a bleak and creepy legislative environment that could double as a "Twilight" movie set.
Where and when I grew up "Negro" was the polite term, if somewhat stiff (United Negro College Fund). "Black" was dismissive and insulting. We have got to stop focusing on language fads and start looking at intent and context.
While it would be nice it seems common for people to be aware or care about their own context rather than the actual intent of the sender. Where and when I grew up using the word "Negro" to refer to someone of color would regularly lead to getting punched in the face.
In fact it's very, very common right here in LGF comments. Taking words out of context, deliberately misunderstanding in order to oppose or refusing the be corrected on a false assumption. Normally it's caused by a monumental chip on the shoulder of a person who's just waiting to be offended. They know it's gonna happen by gosh and they'll be ready to pounce, believe you me!
Or maybe we should drop the question on race from the census form altogether - though the vested interests in keeping that question will keep that from happening. Money talks- and the census is instrumental in how money gets divided up by Congress (both in determining districts and various social programs).
The 2000 census form had the race question phrased in the same fashion as the 2010 form. The 1990 census form provided for black or negro as the choices (2000 added African American). So, perhaps it's time to drop negro from the form. I think we ought to be considering dropping the question altogether because race has done more to divide the nation than it has to bring it together.
Although he decided against filing charges, Mazuz is expected to appear at a hearing on the appeal regarding the matter in the Supreme Court, which was filed by representatives of the soldiers and bereaved families of the battle in Jenin as part of a civil suit.
"After comprehensively reviewing the issue, I have decided by force of my authority to attend the appeal on the district court's decision in the civil suit against Mohammed Bakri and take a stand according to which the court made a mistake in rejecting the slander lawsuit and that under the circumstances, the fighters have a personal right to file a lawsuit and that therefore their appeal should be granted," Mazuz wrote.
He further noted that he didn’t find grounds for taking criminal procedures against Bakri according to the slander prohibition law.
First screened in 2002, the documentary "Jenin Jenin" asserts that the IDF committed atrocious war crimes and deliberately slaughtered innocent civilians during Operation Defensive Shield in the West Bank town. Following the screening, the reservists filed suit for defamation against both Bakri and the cinematheques that screened his films to the tune of NIS 2.5 million ($660,000).
We all know that Jimmah is a craven, anti-semitic, lying, whore.
Yes.
Spare, I'd like to respectfully request that you consider adding "C" to such comments when you mean "Jimmah C".
Otherwise some might start to think you're making such comments as a piece of iceweasel-bait on the morning threads, and out of a passive-aggressive attempt at some kind of retaliation.
How you been, btw? Haven't seen you around as much.
I've been fine, thank you very much.
I haven't been around much. Busy time of year for me. Hunting season, the holiday hoopla, and the general wear and tear of life have occupied much of my time.
I was called a Troll to my face once by a complete stranger while on vacation. Before I had an opportunity to sling a much more deragatory insult to the 'woman', my wife asked her for an explanantion. Apparently here in Michigan, anyone who lives south of the Mackinaw Bridge is considered a 'troll' by the 'yoopers' because we live below the bridge.
Although the upper pennisula of Michigan is quite beautiful, a lot of the year round inhabitants make me feel good that I am a troll.
Good Morning Lizards!
We are in the middle of a pretty bad snow storm.. I'm working from home this morning in my PJ's..
Terrible accident last night on I-80, people returning from a wedding. A young woman and a 10-year-old boy killed, 66-year-old truck driver killed, father of the young boy is in a coma.
Staying inside might be a pretty good idea today. I just walked across the street and it's slick out there. Nice layer of ice under the snow. That's something different that we get here that the dakotas don't have to deal with, we get a lot of ice.
But will the real world ignore me? That is the question.
BTW, I actually thought of you during Christmas dinner. One of the nieces was forking a slice of ham onto her plate and caught me eyeing her (she's a vegetarian).
"Hey, I ain't no fanatic, you know." was her explanation.
Staying inside might be a pretty good idea today. I just walked across the street and it's slick out there. Nice layer of ice under the snow. That's something different that we get here that the dakotas don't have to deal with, we get a lot of ice.
I do see a difference between them. I'm saying that the same benefit could be there-- the argument is that it would be highly beneficial to us to do so, and I'm saying it would be highly beneficial in many civilian cases as well. I'm wondering why the logic doesn't apply to them, and was hoping you'd explain.
He isn't required to answer questions but they have a variety of methods to compel him to cooperate that would be completely illegal in a civilian scenario.
The system we have is set up based on issues of jurisdiction and venue, as well as subject matter.
Terrorists captured in the US can and should be tried under the federal court system (it's worked as it should, and those arrested are Mirandized and treated accordingly by law enforcement).
Terrorists captured overseas should be tried in tribunals precisely because they were not captured using law enforcement techniques and because many were captured on the battlefields around the world or with assistance of regimes that do not have civil liberties protections as we do. That would include KSM and his minions who could just as surely be tried in tribunals as in the federal courts as Holder and Obama deemed; and both admit that the tribunals will be used in other cases where the evidence is insufficient for use in federal court.
Staying inside might be a pretty good idea today. I just walked across the street and it's slick out there. Nice layer of ice under the snow. That's something different that we get here that the dakotas don't have to deal with, we get a lot of ice.
The thing I love about Minnesota weather: When it gets cold enough, even the salted snow on the roads re-freezes into ice. Doubleplus ungood.
Witch-doctors reveal extent of child sacrifice in Uganda
Meanwhile, a former witch-doctor who now campaigns to end child sacrifice confessed for the first time to having murdered about 70 people, including his own son.
Funny. I have friends and relatives who knew me before and don't believe for one minute that I don't sneak through Wendy's and get a triple with extra meat on it.
They are just sure that I cheat. I would not consider it cheating. I would consider it being, "I am not a vegetarian anymore."
The system we have is set up based on issues of jurisdiction and venue, as well as subject matter.
Terrorists captured in the US can and should be tried under the federal court system (it's worked as it should, and those arrested are Mirandized and treated accordingly by law enforcement).
Terrorists captured overseas should be tried in tribunals precisely because they were not captured using law enforcement techniques and because many were captured on the battlefields around the world or with assistance of regimes that do not have civil liberties protections as we do. That would include KSM and his minions who could just as surely be tried in tribunals as in the federal courts as Holder and Obama deemed; and both admit that the tribunals will be used in other cases where the evidence is insufficient for use in federal court.
What do you think of KSM being tried in New York? At a cost of 260 million dollars for security alone no less.
He isn't required to answer questions but they have a variety of methods to compel him to cooperate that would be completely illegal in a civilian scenario.
What if his attorney objects? According to those held under the UCMJ, a suspect has the right to an attorney during questioning.
Funny. I have friends and relatives who knew me before and don't believe for one minute that I don't sneak through Wendy's and get a triple with extra meat on it.
They are just sure that I cheat. I would not consider it cheating. I would consider it being, "I am not a vegetarian anymore."
Witch-doctors reveal extent of child sacrifice in Uganda
Meanwhile, a former witch-doctor who now campaigns to end child sacrifice confessed for the first time to having murdered about 70 people, including his own son.
I tried eating a Wendy's burger once. Gross crap. They do have a nice salad for a fast food joint..
I used to like Wendys a lot more, but somewhere over the past decade or so they've become unpalatable to me. If I have to have a fast food burger I'll go with BK. Though McDonalds has the best fries.
Dropping the exam would bolster minority hiring and avert legal battles, according to one source, while others confirm that the exam could be scrapped to open the process to as many people as possible.
I used to like Wendys a lot more, but somewhere over the past decade or so they've become unpalatable to me. If I have to have a fast food burger I'll go with BK. Though McDonalds has the best fries.
Elect me President and I promise a Basketball in every pot and all fast food joints are nuked within 72 hours...And you'll be able to watch it in real time on C-Span.. Trust me...
Funny. I have friends and relatives who knew me before and don't believe for one minute that I don't sneak through Wendy's and get a triple with extra meat on it.
They are just sure that I cheat. I would not consider it cheating. I would consider it being, "I am not a vegetarian anymore."
It's funny how many people are convinced of that about vegetarians they know. But I remember meeting people who described themselves as vegetarian or even 'mostly vegan' and after discussion it turned out that they just avoided red meat. What?
I stopped eating red meat, and the mere smell of it make my stomach churn in unpleasant ways.
I get that. I was only vegetarian for a couple of years and I still can't handle the red meat. Although I did cook a steak for Jimmah recently. The things we do for love!
Elect me President and I promise a Basketball in every pot and all fast food joints are nuked within 72 hours...And you'll be able to watch it in real time on C-Span.. Trust me...
Elect me President and I promise a Basketball in every pot and all fast food joints are nuked within 72 hours...And you'll be able to watch it in real time on C-Span.. Trust me...
Uhhh...wouldn't nuking all fast food joints cause a bit of... collateral damage?
///:P
I've written extensively on the subject (both here and on my blog), and while I think tribunals were the better option, SDNY is the proper venue for trying them due to the institutional knowledge of prosecuting terror trials (their prosecutors have the most experience), NYC has the law enforcement capabilities to secure the facilities for the trials (largest police force in the nation), and it was the jurisdiction where the largest number of those murdered resident - it was where the most devastating of the attacks took place.
I get that. I was only vegetarian for a couple of years and I still can't handle the red meat. Although I did cook a steak for Jimmah recently. The things we do for love!
Kind of hard to substitute TVP for steak to a meat eater, huh.
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Terrorists captured in the US can and should be tried under the federal court system (it's worked as it should, and those arrested are Mirandized and treated accordingly by law enforcement).
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This is where we disagree. The presidents responsibility as CiC is completely different than his role as civilian head of the justice dept. His obligation as commander-in-chief is to do what it takes to make sure those people picked up as terrorists are dealt with in a manner that maximizes our intelligence gathering. That's why the congress made sure he had that authority years ago. That isn't to say that everyone picked up should be sent to gitmo but in this instance (A) we caught a guy red-handed in the act and (B) there are questions we need answers to that we cannot get in a civilian court. Each case might be different but in this case our best bet to get those answers was to detain him in a military facility.
Good morning, lizards.
Are we troll hunting today?
Mornin', {Rose}. The game is afoot, now that you're here. The troll barbecue is lit, and I have a new blend of spices ready to season their gamey buttocks with.
I've written extensively on the subject (both here and on my blog), and while I think tribunals were the better option, SDNY is the proper venue for trying them due to the institutional knowledge of prosecuting terror trials (their prosecutors have the most experience), NYC has the law enforcement capabilities to secure the facilities for the trials (largest police force in the nation), and it was the jurisdiction where the largest number of those murdered resident - it was where the most devastating of the attacks took place.
Thanks for answering me. I appreciate it.
Osama said one of the reasons they attacked us was because our troops were on sacred Islamic soil.
I understand the feeling because I consider the soil of the USA sacred also. :(
It upsets me they are being tried within the lone gone shadows of the WTC.
Mornin', {Rose}. The game is afoot, now that you're here. The troll barbecue is lit, and I have a new blend of spices ready to season their gamey buttocks with.
I'll help wit the preparation and serve everybody, but is there a non-meat option?
Mornin', {Rose}. The game is afoot, now that you're here. The troll barbecue is lit, and I have a new blend of spices ready to season their gamey buttocks with.
Witch-doctors reveal extent of child sacrifice in Uganda
Meanwhile, a former witch-doctor who now campaigns to end child sacrifice confessed for the first time to having murdered about 70 people, including his own son.
The Ugandan government told us that human sacrifice is on the increase, and according to the head of the country's Anti-Human Sacrifice Taskforce the crime is directly linked to rising levels of development and prosperity, and an increasing belief that witchcraft can help people get rich quickly
No words. If you need a taskforce dedicated to eradicating human sacrifice, it's got to be widespread.
I'll help wit the preparation and serve everybody, but is there a non-meat option?
I always provide vegetable packets on my grill. Potatoes and carrots come standard, you can add whatever else you want to it. Season, wrap in foil, and let them hang out on the top rack while the meat cooks. Delish.
I always provide vegetable packets on my grill. Potatoes and carrots come standard, you can add whatever else you want to it. Season, wrap in foil, and let them hang out on the top rack while the meat cooks. Delish.
I think eggplant is a good accompaniment to Troll.
This is where we disagree. The presidents responsibility as CiC is completely different than his role as civilian head of the justice dept. His obligation as commander-in-chief is to do what it takes to make sure those people picked up as terrorists are dealt with in a manner that maximizes our intelligence gathering. That's why the congress made sure he had that authority years ago. That isn't to say that everyone picked up should be sent to gitmo but in this instance (A) we caught a guy red-handed in the act and (B) there are questions we need answers to that we cannot get in a civilian court. Each case might be different but in this case our best bet to get those answers was to detain him in a military facility.
I agree with you and besides you say it better :)))
I liked to do peppers and onions on a grill wok. Just a little salt, pepper and olive oil. A few minutes over the charcoal, and a few stirs makes an excellent side dish.
I liked to do peppers and onions on a grill wok. Just a little salt, pepper and olive oil. A few minutes over the charcoal, and a few stirs makes an excellent side dish.
That's another good way to do it. The foil-packet system is a holdover from my Boy Scout days, when we'd do "hobo dinners" over an open fire - hamburger meat, potatoes, carrots, liberally salt and pepper, wrap them tightly and throw them in the fire. Turn every 10 min or so until done.
It does point out once again just how shitty the NYT's coverage of American evangelicals' involvement with Uganda's death penalty for homosexuals was, and how those evangelicals absolutely knew what they were doing when they exported their theocratic and murderous agenda there, yes.
I have a cousin who worked in a chicken plant decades ago and he still won't eat chicken.
It's not the chicken. It's the speed of the processing line. Without going into gory specifics, it is hard to avoid fecal contamination with the line moving as fast as it does.
Now that yardbird that Granny snatched up and wrung it's neck then served you for Sunday dinner is most likely okay.
That's another good way to do it. The foil-packet system is a holdover from my Boy Scout days, when we'd do "hobo dinners" over an open fire - hamburger meat, potatoes, carrots, liberally salt and pepper, wrap them tightly and throw them in the fire. Turn every 10 min or so until done.
I remember those.
I also remember making hobo pies.
Lawhawk is looking at it through a legal prism and I understand that especially since that is his background. I look at things through the standpoint of Intelligence gathering and the presidents role as commander-in-chief because that's my background. I think Lawhawk has well written and thought out opinions but the starting points for our arguments are completely different.
IIRC wasn't there a witch burning problem a few years ago running through Africa?
Yes, but it's been an ongoing problem. Killgore had some links about it in the last few months.
BTW, some (though not all, I am sure) of those killings are done as part of an offshoot of an exported American fundamentalist church, the Assembly of God.
It's not the chicken. It's the speed of the processing line. Without going into gory specifics, it is hard to avoid fecal contamination with the line moving as fast as it does.
Now that yardbird that Granny snatched up and wrung it's neck then served you for Sunday dinner is most likely okay.
Can't the problem be solved by the consumer in his/her kitchen by washing the chicken thoroughly and cooking it thoroughly?
Quick Google indicates the 2006 E Coli outbreak in the northeast was green onions used at a Taco Bell.
The 2003 hepatitis outbreak caused by contaminated green onions was linked to the Chi-Chi's chain of Mexican restaurants (not a fast food chain). Chi-Chi's went under in 2004.
It does point out once again just how shitty the NYT's coverage of American evangelicals' involvement with Uganda's death penalty for homosexuals was, and how those evangelicals absolutely knew what they were doing when they exported their theocratic and murderous agenda there, yes.
And it also points out how the Ugandan people better start taking a little responsibility for themselves, along with their government, and start examining what good for their culture and what's not.
The anti-gay Christian folks are taking advantage of cultural memes, but the culture needs to take a second look at some things too. There has been a whole lot of internal Ugandan outrages to fuel enough fires without having outside agitators take advantage of the situation.
I had forgotten about the taco bell onion problem. The only reason I remembered the Chi-chi's thing is because that was my moms favorite place. I always hated it, can't stand olive garden either.
Paid a visit to the stalker site this morning, boring as hell... same old tune.
I stopped reading them..
1. They stopped coming up with inventive names to call me
2. They just can't get over it
3. Everybody that isn't a far right wingnut is a progressive
4. Beck is god meme
From Wiki
Chi-Chi's was a popular Mexican restaurant chain from 1975 to 2004. It ceased to exist within the United States following a 2003 Hepatitis A outbreak that began at one of its locations in suburban Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Chi-Chi's is still in operation in Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Indonesia. Chi-Chi's also marketed a line of grocery foods (later purchased by Hormel) with an emphasis on salsa.
Yes, but it's been an ongoing problem. Killgore had some links about it in the last few months.
BTW, some (though not all, I am sure) of those killings are done as part of an offshoot of an exported American fundamentalist church, the Assembly of God.
Like I said above, as outside agitation has been responsible for a lot of horrors, the Ugandans have fomented enough of their own internal outrages...
Respect for human rights in Uganda has been advanced significantly since the mid-1980s. There are, however, numerous areas which continue to attract concern.
Conflict in the northern parts of the country continues to generate reports of abuses by both the rebel Lord's Resistance Army and the Ugandan army. A UN official blamed the LRA in February 2009 of "appalling brutality" in the Democratic Republic of Congo.[35] The number of internally displaced persons is estimated at 1.4 million. Torture continues to be a widespread practice amongst security organizations. Attacks on political freedom in the country, including the arrest and beating of opposition Members of Parliament, has led to international criticism, culminating in May 2005 in a decision by the British government to withhold part of its aid to the country. The arrest of the main opposition leader Kizza Besigye and the besiegement of the High Court during a hearing of Besigye's case by a heavily armed security forces — before the February 2006 elections — led to condemnation.[36]
Recently, grassroots organizations have been attempting to raise awareness about the children who were kidnapped by the Lord's Resistance Army to work as soldiers or be used as wives. Thousands of children as young as eight were captured and forced to kill. The documentary film Invisible Children illustrates the terrible lives of the children, known as night commuters, who still to this day leave their villages and walk many miles each night to avoid abduction.[37]
The U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants reported several violations of refugee rights in 2007, including forcible deportations by the Ugandan government and violence directed against refugees.[31]
Chi-Chi's ended up shutting down over the e-coli onion plague they had going.
I once met a Mexican girl who told me that "chi chi" is slang for breast in Spanish. She was really confused when she first got to whatever city she arrived in here and saw a Chi Chi's across the street from a Hooter's.
I stopped reading them..
1. They stopped coming up with inventive names to call me
2. They just can't get over it
3. Everybody that isn't a far right wingnut is a progressive
4. Beck is god meme
And it also points out how the Ugandan people better start taking a little responsibility for themselves, along with their government, and start examining what good for their culture and what's not.
The anti-gay Christian folks are taking advantage of cultural memes, but the culture needs to take a second look at some things too. There has been a whole lot of internal Ugandan outrages to fuel enough fires without having outside agitators take advantage of the situation.
There is a lot of blame to go around.
Uganda has had decades of virulent anti-gay sentiment and legislation even without Americans helping to fuel it, yes.
The closest chi-chi's to me sat empty for years. Finally a local bought it and turned it into a more authentic mexican style restaurant. Incredibly good food and dirt cheap. I go at least once a week to get one of their signature meals which is so big it takes 3 plates to bring out.
I once met a Mexican girl who told me that "chi chi" is slang for breast in Spanish. She was really confused when she first got to whatever city she arrived in here and saw a Chi Chi's across the street from a Hooter's.
Didn't former Packer wide receiver Max Magee have something to do with founding Chi-Chi's? Or am I confused, as usual?
I stopped reading them..
1. They stopped coming up with inventive names to call me
2. They just can't get over it
3. Everybody that isn't a far right wingnut is a progressive
4. Beck is god meme
Why would people be pissed at a good guy like you hoosier?
The closest chi-chi's to me sat empty for years. Finally a local bought it and turned it into a more authentic mexican style restaurant. Incredibly good food and dirt cheap. I go at least once a week to get one of their signature meals which is so big it takes 3 plates to bring out.
Sounds like the local Mexican joint. They have a family deal that my father-in-law would do whenever we went there as a family. It easily feeds 10 people at a sitting. The only problem is, about 50% of the time I go there, I wind up with some flavor of food poisoning. In fact, my first date with the Mrs. Fish was there, and it ended with me being mildly sick to my stomach.
I live a few miles from an area called "Little Mexico." There's probably a dozen or more authentic Mexican and Salvadoran restaurants in the area. Plus a few Peruvian rotisserie chicken places. Great, cheap food.
Der Spiegel: In 1989 European intellectuals leaped to the defense of Salman Rushdie. Now, with furor over the Danish Mo-toons, they mainly leap for the tall grass.
I live a few miles from an area called "Little Mexico." There's probably a dozen or more authentic Mexican and Salvadoran restaurants in the area. Plus a few Peruvian rotisserie chicken places. Great, cheap food.
Ohhh... Makes me wonder if PSU warranties cover collateral damage like surge protectors do?
Very sorry to hear about your loss, though :(
It didn't, I inquired. Damn freakiest cascade failure I've seen. Lots of blue smoke, crackling and smoke detectors going off. I didn't even get the chance to OC it...
/ah well, shit happens.
Sounds like the local Mexican joint. They have a family deal that my father-in-law would do whenever we went there as a family. It easily feeds 10 people at a sitting. The only problem is, about 50% of the time I go there, I wind up with some flavor of food poisoning. In fact, my first date with the Mrs. Fish was there, and it ended with me being mildly sick to my stomach.
Der Spiegel: In 1989 European intellectuals leaped to the defense of Salman Rushdie. Now, with furor over the Danish Mo-toons, they mainly leap for the tall grass.
Scientists may have created a vaccine against cocaine addiction: a series of shots that changes the body's chemistry so that the drug can't enter the brain and provide a high.
The vaccine, called TA-CD, shows promise but could also be dangerous; some of the addicts participating in a study of the vaccine started doing massive amounts of cocaine in hopes of overcoming its effects, according to Thomas R. Kosten, the lead researcher on the study, which was published in the Archives of General Psychiatry in October.
"After the vaccine, doing cocaine was a very disappointing experience for them," said Kosten, a professor of psychiatry and neuroscience at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.
I'm listening to the radio, and it looks like yesterday evenings dusting of snow (maybe 2 inches the most, mostly in the Denver area, not so much up here in the mountains) has caused a snow pack that just won't go away with the rush hour this morning, because it was 16 below zero in Denver last night.
Even the morning cadre of cars running all over the highways has not really cleared much of the snow pack, it's just to darn cold.
I work 1-9 at the store tonight, at least I will have had some sun on the roads before I leave this morning, but I bet tonight it's going to turn back into a ice skating rink. It's not suppose to get out of the single digits anytime in the next 24 hours.
The big difference with this new job at the thrift store and my old job in regards to the weather, I could stay overnight at the theatre, our lobby furniture all turned into beds... if the winter weather was bad, we would just stay.
I don't think they will let me sleep on the used sofas.
Sounds like the local Mexican joint. They have a family deal that my father-in-law would do whenever we went there as a family. It easily feeds 10 people at a sitting. The only problem is, about 50% of the time I go there, I wind up with some flavor of food poisoning. In fact, my first date with the Mrs. Fish was there, and it ended with me being mildly sick to my stomach.
I'd quit going before I wound up in the ER or even the ICU.
Maybe they'd get a job actually producing something.
I saw somewhere a chart a few days ago that we now have more people 'employed' in government than we have employed in actual, productive private industry.
And, of course, since government pays much better than private industry and has better retirement, more time off, and job security the trend will likely continue.
I'd quit going before I wound up in the ER or even the ICU.
Haven't been there in a couple of years, in fact. I love Mexican food, and I have a thing for spicy in general. (When I was in Ireland, I couldn't resist trying authentic Indian curry. Would do again.) But there's some things I just don't do, and food poisoning is one of them.
Why would people be pissed at a good guy like you hoosier?
Ah heck..It's a story that goes back about a year..A lizard I considered a friend left here to go there and it really really pissed me off..
I called out alot of people and caused a mini war with those idiots...
It's water under the bridge..There is nothing or no one over there I care about and won't give them traffic...They can say anything they want...
I've been trash talked by better on the court...
Just a bitter bunch of children
I saw somewhere a chart a few days ago that we now have more people 'employed' in government than we have employed in actual, productive private industry.
And, of course, since government pays much better than private industry and has better retirement, more time off, and job security the trend will likely continue.
Haven't been there in a couple of years, in fact. I love Mexican food, and I have a thing for spicy in general. (When I was in Ireland, I couldn't resist trying authentic Indian curry. Would do again.) But there's some things I just don't do, and food poisoning is one of them.
Sounds like the local Mexican joint. They have a family deal that my father-in-law would do whenever we went there as a family. It easily feeds 10 people at a sitting. The only problem is, about 50% of the time I go there, I wind up with some flavor of food poisoning. In fact, my first date with the Mrs. Fish was there, and it ended with me being mildly sick to my stomach.
Didn't anyone ever warn you about what food is 1st date safe? All it takes is one little shart and she would have never given you a date #2. //
However, if Satan had wanted to invent an antiarrhythmic drug, he would have invented amiodarone. There are at least three features of amiodarone that render it diabolical.
First, as mentioned, the drug is obviously far more effective than other antiarrhythmic drugs, and does not cause proarrhythmia. So on its face, like most entrapping vices, it spins a certain appeal, one that lures doctors into using it far more blithely than they should.
Second, amiodarone has bizarre pharmacokinetics. Before it becomes fully effective, amiodarone needs to completely saturate the tissues of the body. During this “loading period,” which is generally several weeks in duration, large doses are typically used. Once the drug is deemed to be loaded, a relatively small daily maintenance dose can be used. This is because amiodarone is not excreted from the body like most drugs are, by the kidneys or the liver. Instead, amiodarone likes to stay in the cells “forever,” and for practical purposes you get rid of it only through the normal shedding of your body’s cells, such as skin cells and gut cells. This means that once you are loaded with the stuff, it’s a part of you for a long, long time - just about forever. (Amiodarone can still be detected in the blood for at least a year after the last dose.) Once you are on amiodarone, you’re on it.
And third, amiodarone has a unique and disturbing toxicity profile. Because it is stored in essentially every organ of the body, its side effects can affect almost any organ.
It didn't, I inquired. Damn freakiest cascade failure I've seen. Lots of blue smoke, crackling and smoke detectors going off. I didn't even get the chance to OC it...
/ah well, shit happens.
To add insult to injury, none of the individual warranties I had save one were honored, the hard drive. Fought for a month trying to convince the others that I'd done nothing to violate the warranties. Failed, I did.
Nope. You know the area, I went from working in Golden, to working a little further down (south) the front range and a little east. That will give you a general idea. It's just about the same milage as going from here to Golden, and actually once I get down the canyon, I can take the last 5 miles or so on city streets if I want to make it to the store. Getting to Golden, I was just about forced to take a really nasty interstate, and in icy weather, it was scary.
Location wise, this is a safer drive in this kind of weather.
To add insult to injury, none of the individual warranties I had save one were honored, the hard drive. Fought for a month trying to convince the others that I'd done nothing to violate the warranties. Failed, I did.
Oy. I suppose they could just argue that their product wasn't at fault, and they'd be right.
No, I read about that little critter. Got him in a zoo in China. Well, a little amendment to my statement, that picture was photoshopped to an extent, the sign was in Mandarin, someone photoshopped in a English translation.
Someone needs to feed that troll. It looks wan and thin. You have to properly feed and exercise a troll before you can grill it. A weakling troll like that one would last 5 minutes here.
I'm working from home because of snow...
Be safe Walter
It's a little hard schlepping used furniture from home. I'll be ok, it's only a 28 minute trip in good weather, and when I come home tonight, the canyon will be clear of traffic, it will just be me and the sides of the canyon.
I'd call the store to see if they would let you crash on a couch.
No, they would not let that happen. I'll be ok, my girlfriend made ot to work, it's not super bad, just not as clear as it would normally be after rush hour, just a little to cold to melt.
Someone needs to feed that troll. It looks wan and thin. You have to properly feed and exercise a troll before you can grill it. A weakling troll like that one would last 5 minutes here.
They don't seem to taste as good if they haven't been properly exercised. I don't know if it is chemicals in the troll itself or it is just me.
Goodbye kiss provoked Newark airport scare:
NEW YORK
Thu Jan 7, 2010 10:58am EST
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The security scare that shut Newark airport for hours and delayed thousands of passengers was caused by a man who slipped into a secure area to give a woman one last goodbye kiss, a newspaper reported on Thursday.
I'm still laughing at that "best coffee of my life" comment you said he made.
Heh-- missed this earlier. Yeah, me too. He laughed when he saw the thread and later said plaintively, "But it really was the best coffee I've had."
So cute.
They don't seem to taste as good if they haven't been properly exercised. I don't know if it is chemicals in the troll itself or it is just me.
It's not just you. Trolls naturally spew toxic bile at regular intervals. If they don't spew, the toxins build up to dangerous levels. Fortunately, LGF has folks like Walter, Bagua, iceweasel, and myself who are skilled at inducing the troll to spew out sufficient bile to make them edible before Charles brains them with the banstick.
Heh-- missed this earlier. Yeah, me too. He laughed when he saw the thread and later said plaintively, "But it really was the best coffee I've had."
So cute.
Adorable. Fresh grind some beans and he'll be yours forever.
Times like this make me glad to not live there any more.
And I spent from 1974-1989 all over Texas, and I was saying the same thing. I was so glad to move up here and have seasons and something to look at... I really like a lot of the regional entertainment people in Texas, it was the only people I hung around with, arts, theatre, magic all that, but otherwise, it's a geographically boring.
Yes, the passionate embrace, and the scooting through security when the guard on duty paused to take a cellphone call was caught on a Continental video feed, and which wasn't found until hours later as the TSA video system was inoperable. It took hours to get the procedures to access the Continental feed, delaying thousands in the process.
I had Turkish kebob that was to die for, in Galway city.
My son invited me to try sushi for the first time, in Moscow. My daughter-in-law said, "What, are you crazy? Who eats sushi in Moscow? Here, try the caviar."
Tea partiers beware: "You can and will be banned for being a liberal."
Organizers behind the upcoming Tea Party Nation convention we wrote about this morning told members today that MSNBC's Rachel Maddow tried to join the group and "we banned her 7 minutes after she joined."
TPMDC, which also has signed up for the TPN mailing list, received an email to all members warning them that as the convention nears "we will in all likelihood be invaded by liberal trolls looking to disrupt the site." The subject line was "Liberal Troll Alert!"
"Tea Party Nation reserves the right to ban anyone for any reason we feel necessary to ensure the well being of the site and our members," the group writes in the email, which you can read in full after the jump.
If they can ban liberals, why don't they ban racists and nirthers? Unless of course they are actually comfortable with such people?
Any Florida Lizards on-line? I just got confirmed for VIP access to the SCOPE East 2010 Conference at Orlando, Fla. April 11th-13th.. They want me to speak Tuesday morning...Would love to take some Lizards out to dinner.. I have never been to Florida in my life...
The cold up here is supposed to get ridiculous. Tomorrow night, projected lows in the neighborhood of -20 degrees F. FRICKIN' COLD.
It was -16 (f) in Denver last night, up here it was about -10 (f), which is unusual, since it is normally about 10-15 degrees (f) cooler up here any given day. But this arctic air hugged the front range, and the continental divide actually kept it down in the Denver valley and east of here. Of course 6 degrees different is not a lot at these temperatures.
It's not just you. Trolls naturally spew toxic bile at regular intervals. If they don't spew, the toxins build up to dangerous levels. Fortunately, LGF has folks like Walter, Bagua, iceweasel, and myself who are skilled at inducing the troll to spew out sufficient bile to make them edible before Charles brains them with the banstick.
I can only do it part time now, since I am working a full 40 hours, and the schedule rotates and takes up some parts of weekends. Some weeks I have 2 days in a row off, some days 3 days in a row off, and some weeks I work six days strait, all over the board, well, that's retail.
It was -16 (f) in Denver last night, up here it was about -10 (f), which is unusual, since it is normally about 10-15 degrees (f) cooler up here any given day. But this arctic air hugged the front range, and the continental divide actually kept it down in the Denver valley and east of here. Of course 6 degrees different is not a lot at these temperatures.
I just went onto the porch and checked. Nine degrees. I love the South.
The President has multiple hats to wear, but as he has to uphold the US Constitution, what you suggest opens the door to branding individuals captured in the US as terrorists whether they committed such crimes or not and pushing them into a tribunal system.
The US can still get intel from these individuals, but has to do so in a law enforcement framework. I understand the problem in that it gives terrorists who successfully make it into the US to carry out attacks additional protections that those overseas don't have (who would see tribunals only), but that protection extends to all Americans - preventing the government from classifying someone for tribunal treatment who should get federal court treatment.
It is a balancing act, and it's one of many decisions that the President has to consider at any time.
In keeping with our small-government, free market values, our central administration will control the content discussed on this site, rather than leaving it up to the people to decide.
My son invited me to try sushi for the first time, in Moscow. My daughter-in-law said, "What, are you crazy? Who eats sushi in Moscow? Here, try the caviar."
I passed on the sushi. The caviar was excellent.
Oh don't get me wrong... I like my fish, chips, bangers and mash.
But the guy behind the counter making up the kebobs was hot.
I can only do it part time now, since I am working a full 40 hours, and the schedule rotates and takes up some parts of weekends. Some weeks I have 2 days in a row off, some days 3 days in a row off, and some weeks I work six days strait, all over the board, well, that's retail.
Don't I know. Back in 2004 I once had to work 11 days running during December and one week of that month I had no days off at all. I worked an average of 52 hours a week that month and utterly crashed once it was over. I spend the majority of New Year's Day asleep.
I just went onto the porch and checked. Nine degrees. I love the South.
I got a electric space heater under the table shoved between my legs, a pellet stove blazing upstairs and downstairs and the blinds open for sun warmth. It's about 65 in here.
-Congressman Ron Paul today endorsed John Dennis in his Republican bid for United States Congress. Mr. Dennis, a successful entrepreneur and longtime liberty-minded GOP activist, is running to unseat Nancy Pelosi in California’s 8th district.
I got a electric space heater under the table shoved between my legs, a pellet stove blazing upstairs and downstairs and the blinds open for sun warmth. It's about 65 in here.
Don't I know. Back in 2004 I once had to work 11 days running during December and one week of that month I had no days off at all. I worked an average of 52 hours a week that month and utterly crashed once it was over. I spend the majority of New Year's Day asleep.
Yo know how at some jobs, you find that one thing, that one task, that no matter what you do, there is no way to make that task anything but unpleasant?
Well, that happen two times a week for me, it's called closing. Two nights a week, I work closing, and it's the furniture departments task to pull in any donations still left in the back, pull in the "donate" signs around the parking lot, sweep to WHOLE store and vacuum the rugs near the front door.
The bitchiest part is the cleaning up outside. You always have some large pieces that someone dropped off late, and you're hauling a sofa or something big like that around all by yourself.
Yo know how at some jobs, you find that one thing, that one task, that no matter what you do, there is no way to make that task anything but unpleasant?
Well, that happen two times a week for me, it's called closing. Two nights a week, I work closing, and it's the furniture departments task to pull in any donations still left in the back, pull in the "donate" signs around the parking lot, sweep to WHOLE store and vacuum the rugs near the front door.
The bitchiest part is the cleaning up outside. You always have some large pieces that someone dropped off late, and you're hauling a sofa or something big like that around all by yourself.
I got a electric space heater under the table shoved between my legs, a pellet stove blazing upstairs and downstairs and the blinds open for sun warmth. It's about 65 in here.
The conspiracy crazies are all over the x-mas day diaper bomber. I got an email from the "Let's roll" forum...
"For anyone following the "Underwear Bomber" story, they already know the story is full of holes and has all the signs and then some of being a government run op to terrorize us, the people."
"A government run op" sheesh. Will the birthers and truthers join in, or compete? Stand by...
I got a electric space heater under the table shoved between my legs, a pellet stove blazing upstairs and downstairs and the blinds open for sun warmth. It's about 65 in here.
The conspiracy crazies are all over the x-mas day diaper bomber. I got an email from the "Let's roll" forum...
"For anyone following the "Underwear Bomber" story, they already know the story is full of holes and has all the signs and then some of being a government run op to terrorize us, the people."
"A government run op" sheesh. Will the birthers and truthers join in, or compete? Stand by...
Although, for anyone who still follows the pathetic remains of the Twoofer movement, it also depends on what flavor of twoofer you ask. The mildly crazy versions mostly harp on about the "sharp-dressed man"; the truly batshit insane ones are more than willing to dive into false-flag conspiracy theory, lock, stock, and barrel.
Although, for anyone who still follows the pathetic remains of the Twoofer movement, it also depends on what flavor of twoofer you ask. The mildly crazy versions mostly harp on about the "sharp-dressed man"; the truly batshit insane ones are more than willing to dive into false-flag conspiracy theory, lock, stock, and barrel.
Yeah. People made a big stink about a nicely dressed guy who supposedly helped the terrorist through security without a passport in Africa. Turns out it was bullshit, but the crazies are still ranting about it.
Ha... I have two cats here, and one of them will sit in front of the pellet stove... if you feel his body, it is actually warm to the touch... the other cat loves to sleep on the electric blanket on our bed.
This is a big older mountain house and it's not one of those places that looks like it came out of a factory or something. It's all hardwood floors, plank and groove walls, lots of wood, but there is no way to keep it toasty unless you wanted to spend about 500 dollars a month on utilities. Both gas and electricity is a lot more expensive up here.
So, that's why we have the alternative heating methods, a few space heaters, the two pellet stoves and the electric blanket. Rarely does the furnace come on. So, 65 may be a little chilly, but it's not unbearable. Besides, it's fun to cuddle.
The President has multiple hats to wear, but as he has to uphold the US Constitution, what you suggest opens the door to branding individuals captured in the US as terrorists whether they committed such crimes or not and pushing them into a tribunal system.
You and I are going to continue to disagree on the best way to interrogate and deal with captured terrorists. I don't think there is any question as to which tactic (military or civilian) is more likely to get intelligence we need even though I'm sure you're going to disagree.
When Reid was captured there was a question as to the presidents authority to hold people so he was handed over to civilian authorities. The legislative branches then made sure the presidents authority to classify people as enemy combatants was spelled out and as far as I can tell it's been upheld in the courts. That's why Jose Padilla (an american citizen picked up on american soil) was able to be held in a military facility for years without a trial.
I don't think anyone on the left is actually trying to deny the president has the ability to hold people as enemy combatants (except obdicut), it's just a matter of the presidents use of that authority. In this case, the president should have put on his military hat.
When Reid was captured there was a question as to the presidents authority to hold people so he was handed over to civilian authorities. The legislative branches then made sure the presidents authority to classify people as enemy combatants was spelled out and as far as I can tell it's been upheld in the courts. That's why Jose Padilla (an american citizen picked up on american soil) was able to be held in a military facility for years without a trial.
And you're conveniently forgetting that Padilla was ultimately moved to a civilian court, tried, convicted, and sentenced to 17 years in prison.
After being held for years on "dirty bomb" charges that appear to have been completely false.
I'm not conveniently forgetting that. I never said the panty bomber should be tried by the military, only that he be held until we feel we have the intelligence we need. If they chose to put him in a civilian court that's their decision. I haven't even come out against trying KSM in a civilian court although I think the security and the costs should have been taken into consideration before the decision was made.
An Ohio man who became loud and disruptive aboard a flight from Miami to Detroit -- at one point shouting ``kill all the Jews'' -- was removed from the airplane and taken into custody by Miami-Dade police.
The man arrested was identified as Mansor Mohammad Asad, 43. Police say he caused a ``disturbance,'' forcing the pilot to decide to return to the jet-bridge.
When Asad was taken off the plane to be interviewed by police, he threatened officers, made racial comments and charged an officer, authorities said.
I'm not conveniently forgetting that. I never said the panty bomber should be tried by the military, only that he be held until we feel we have the intelligence we need. If they chose to put him in a civilian court that's their decision. I haven't even come out against trying KSM in a civilian court although I think the security and the costs should have been taken into consideration before the decision was made.
He's already spilling his guts and some on the right (not you) want him to be waterboarded anyway. There's no reason to think that he shouldn't be tried in a criminal court like the criminal he is, or that the criminal courts can't handle him, just as they have the other approx 195 terrorists tried, convicted, and held in the federal criminal system.
Yes, I saw that -- but this time it sounds like it was just an angry guy who snapped, not any kind of actual terrorist. I was on a flight once with a guy who did something similar -- but this guy started screaming about black people. (Using the N word.) I never did find out what set the guy off, if anything.
I'm pretty sure that he'll be held until trial and then held after the trial. And the regular law enforcement folks are pretty good at this sort of thing.
He's already spilling his guts and some on the right (not you) want him to be waterboarded anyway. There's no reason to think that he shouldn't be tried in a criminal court like the criminal he is, or that the criminal courts can't handle him, just as they have the other approx 195 terrorists tried, convicted, and held in the federal criminal system.
We don't actually know what he's said other than bragging that he was al-queda and there were more like him coming. You and I both know what the very first thing his atty told him, and if he were still talking they wouldn't feel the need to try to bribe him with a plea bargain. Besides, I never said his ultimate destination shouldn't be a civilian trial only that the best way to get the information we need is to hand him over to the military.
What a putz. This guy reminds of a flouncer: He makes a big production with his little rage-play, but it ultimately amounts to nothing and he's thrown out like yesterday's garbage.
There seem to be a lot of flip outs on flights lately. Extra security and terrorism concerns make some people freak. I seem to remember the same thing after 9-11 too.
Just watched a gal in the next lane on my way to work almost rear-end the car in front of her...all four wheels locked up. As my lane moved ahead and I watched her start driving again, she still had her phone in front of the steering wheel and was writing a text message.
What a putz. This guy reminds of a flouncer: He makes a big production with his little rage-play, but it ultimately amounts to nothing and he's thrown out like yesterday's garbage.
I remember a jackass at Dulles Airport claiming he had a grenade. Got his ass tackled and had...nothing. What possesses these idiots?
Just watched a gal in the next lane on my way to work almost rear-end the car in front of her...all four wheels locked up. As my lane moved ahead and I watched her start driving again, she still had her phone in front of the steering wheel and was writing a text message.
It's times like this when I wish I was a cop.
Been there, done that. First snowstorm of the season, I had this person as the person right behind ME. They were gripping the steering wheel with white knuckles, had the wheels turned hard to the right, and were still sliding straight forward toward my rear bumper. I was yelling at the rear-view mirror "STRAIGHTEN YOUR WHEELS AND LET OFF THE BRAKES, YOU DOPE!"
Some more info on Padilla's time in captivity, while held without charge or access to a lawyer:
In a motion to dismiss the case in October, federal public defender Michael Caruso and his team also alleged that Padilla "was tortured for nearly the entire three years and eight months of his unlawful detention. The torture took myriad forms, each designed to cause pain, anguish, depression and, ultimately, the loss of will to live. The base ingredient in Mr. Padilla's torture was stark isolation for a substantial portion of his captivity."
Among other things, the defense alleges that Padilla was held for 1,307 days in a 9-foot-by-7-foot cell, isolated for days or weeks at a time, physically assaulted and threatened with execution and other violence, kept awake with lights and noises, and forced to take mind-altering drugs, possibly PCP or LSD.
Been there, done that. First snowstorm of the season, I had this person as the person right behind ME. They were gripping the steering wheel with white knuckles, had the wheels turned hard to the right, and were still sliding straight forward toward my rear bumper. I was yelling at the rear-view mirror "STRAIGHTEN YOUR WHEELS AND LET OFF THE BRAKES, YOU DOPE!"
We don't actually know what he's said other than bragging that he was al-queda and there were more like him coming. You and I both know what the very first thing his atty told him, and if he were still talking they wouldn't feel the need to try to bribe him with a plea bargain. Besides, I never said his ultimate destination shouldn't be a civilian trial only that the best way to get the information we need is to hand him over to the military.
And I'd suggest that there is no need to hand him over to the military. Why? What are you proposing the military do to him that the civilian system can't?
(CNN) -- Three people have been shot at a transformer manufacturing facility in St. Louis, Missouri, police said Thursday.
Police said the shooter was armed with an assault rifle. Authorities believe the suspect is still on the premises at the ABB plant, according to a police hotline.
"It's pretty sketchy at this point," ABB spokesman Bob Fesmire told CNN. He said police had evacuated the building. Authorities said on the hotline a room-to-room search was being conducted.
Just watched a gal in the next lane on my way to work almost rear-end the car in front of her...all four wheels locked up. As my lane moved ahead and I watched her start driving again, she still had her phone in front of the steering wheel and was writing a text message.
It's times like this when I wish I was a cop.
I don't need ANY STUDY to tell me that talking on a cell phone, hands free or not, seems to interfere with driving. Take this as anecdotal, but most of the time when I have someone come right up on my rear and tailgate, I notice that they are on a cell phone. If you look at their body english, if you honk or tap you brakes to wake them up, they actually appear surprised as if they had no idea that they were fixing to rear end you.
No, I don't care, most people cannot concentrate when talking. It's not the same process as listening, as in listening to a radio, or music or a CD.
Talking and listening and responding engages the brain in a different way, and it doesn't lend itself to driving at the same time.
And I'd suggest that there is no need to hand him over to the military. Why? What are you proposing the military do to him that the civilian system can't?
Talking and listening and responding engages the brain in a different way, and it doesn't lend itself to driving at the same time.
In particular, listening vis-a-vis a phone conversation involves brain processing which overlaps that of driving. The brain is a complex computer, but it's not a parallel processor.
Yes, Andrew Sullivan is still a despicable creep...
I too am sick of the Israelis for their contempt for the interests of their most important ally, their continuation of brutalizing colonization of the West Bank, their shameless ethnic engineering in East Jerusalem, their pulverization of Gaza, the direct manipulation of domestic American politics by their ambassador, and on and on. And, yes, I'm also sick of the war crimes and theocratic insanity of Hamas, and the lame passive-aggression of the PA, and the inability of the Palestinian leadership to prepare for actual governance as opposed to the victimized preening and theatrics and violence they prefer to the difficult compromises required if we are to move forward.
And if Rahm Emanuel is sick of them all, one can imagine how the average American feels. My own view is moving toward supporting a direct American military imposition of a two-state solution, with NATO troops on the borders of the new states of Palestine and Israel. I'm sick of having a great power like the US being dictated to in the conduct of its own foreign policy by an ally that provides almost no real benefit to the US, and more and more costs.
And I'd suggest that there is no need to hand him over to the military. Why? What are you proposing the military do to him that the civilian system can't?
In a military facility the interrogation rules are quite different than a civilian detention. I think this guy has info our government needs in order to fulfill their duty to keep us safe from these kinds of attacks and when we've caught a guy red-handed like this I don't see why there would be any question about what his treatment should be like. Especially since our elected officials, and the courts, have already decided what lengths the government is allowed to go to in order to extract information from detainees in order to comply with our law.
There isn't any question about what his objective was, or if he might be innocent, so I don't see any moral obligation we have to treat him any differently than someone we picked up on the battlefield.
Yes. He's a victim of bedwetters and torture apologists who decided to basically abrogate the rule of law, torture him and hold him without trial or access to counsel, all on the suspicion of guilt for charges about a dirty bomb which appear to have been completely false.
In that sense, you're damned right he is a victim. As an American citizen alone he was entitled to due process, and he was the victim of a climate of fear and a peculiar kind of madness that infected our system in the wake of 9-11, and caused us to do to ourselves the one thing no terrorists could ever have accomplished: to violate our core values as a country.
Meanwhile, the DU morons are still complaining about Bush and Cheney, still blaiming 9/11 on him. If St. Gore had won (and he did!!!) 9/11 would have been prevented.
The infamous "assault rifle", what the heck does that mean?
Who knows, it seems anything that has a barrel longer than 6" and shoots more than one round without reloading seems to be classified as an assault weapon nowadays.
Where it is appropriate, we should definitely use military tribunals. Certainly not as a first or convenient recourse. And this is a completely separate issue from torture and a completely separate issue from habeus corpus.
The CNN main page has a video talking to the family of the bomber who carried out the CIA bombing. I can't seem to find a way to link straight to the video. Anyone else notice it seems that there are a lot of these guys who turn out to be doctors?
Where it is appropriate, we should definitely use military tribunals. Certainly not as a first or convenient recourse. And this is a completely separate issue from torture and a completely separate issue from habeus corpus.
Yep...people who touch their brakes in the snow piss me off. Last year I had a co-worker ask me if he needed chains for his Ford Expedition as he was going to Reno for the weekend. I asked if he had 4WD and he said yes, so I told him, "No, just use your gears going downhill and don't touch the brakes."
Following Monday...he says, "I did 5 360s on I-80 and scared the hell out of my wife! Cars were honking at me as I faced the wrong way after stopping, etc..."
I said, "You touched the brakes, didn't you?" (Yes, was the reply...he got scared when he saw slower traffic ahead of him.)
I remember you posting that story some weeks ago. I've taken to abusing the shifter on my wife's Dodge in snowy weather. She didn't quite get why, until I did a 4-wheel power slide on the slick surface, followed by a controlled stop using engine braking most of the way down.
The Bush administration dropped the "dirty bomb" charges because there was no evidence to support them. They held Padilla with no actual charges for 3 1/2 years.
From wiki:
On January 3, 2006, he was transferred to a Miami, Florida, jail to face criminal conspiracy charges. On August 16, 2007, José Padilla was found guilty, by a federal jury, of charges against him that he conspired to kill people in an overseas jihad and to fund and support overseas terrorism. He was widely described in media as a suspect of planning to build and explode a "dirty bomb" in the United States, but he was ultimately neither charged of this crime, nor convicted on such a charge.
The Bush administration dropped the "dirty bomb" charges because there was no evidence to support them. They held Padilla with no actual charges for 3 1/2 years.
You linked to a paragraph from a SF Gate (?) article from 2006 to show that he was tortured.
Actually, it was just claims from his defense team.
I did follow it at the time, and I know he was convicted.
He is not a victim- which is the point.
I'm not especially in the mood today to do your research for you.
Padilla was tortured. If you'd been following the case, as you claim, you'd know that.
I'm not especially in the mood today to do your research for you.
Padilla was tortured. If you'd been following the case, as you claim, you'd know that.
Since I'm snowed in at home..Working and watching movies..
My top movie picks:
Best mafia movie: Godfather 2
Best Hip-Hop Movie: Hustle&Flow
Best Gangsta movie: Get rich or die trying
Best old movie: African queen
Best kid's movie: Big
Best animation: Shreik
Best series: Band of Brothers
Best Comedy for the last 2 years: Tropic Thunder
I'm having a little trouble following the 'logic' here. On the one hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying torture him, torture him. And on the other hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying he wasn't tortured, he wasn't tortured.
I'd like to thank the academy for recognizing pure genus when they see it..
To my Tea bagging friends.. My racists buddies..My rightwingnuts brothers-in-arms.. Obama and all the rest..I proudly accept this award..
-Glenn Beck
I'm having a little trouble following the 'logic' here. On the one hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying torture him, torture him. And on the other hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying he wasn't tortured, he wasn't tortured.
I'm having a little trouble following the 'logic' here. On the one hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying torture him, torture him. And on the other hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying he wasn't tortured, he wasn't tortured.
Imagine my confusion.
I can imagine that you have a lot of experience dealing with terrorist cases and confinement.
I'm having a little trouble following the 'logic' here. On the one hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying torture him, torture him. And on the other hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying he wasn't tortured, he wasn't tortured.
Imagine my confusion.
Except for the tongue in cheek answer Walter gave here [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] who advocated toturing anyone!?!?!
There isn't any question about what his objective was, or if he might be innocent, so I don't see any moral obligation we have to treat him any differently than someone we picked up on the battlefield.
Simply that he isn't someone we picked up on the battlefield.
Padilla's accusations of being "torture" was detailed in a filing in the Southern District of Florida with excerpts posted here.
The torture was specified as -
1) being placed in solitary confinement
2) being deprived of a mattress and personal articles
3) being deprived of sleep due to the lack of said mattress
4) being subjected to different room temperatures and "noxious fumes" that made his eyes water and nose run
5) being placed in "stress positions" (unspecified)
6) being told by interrogators that he was in a different location than he was
7) being told at one point that he would be cut by a knife and had alcohol poured on his wounds.
Those are the allegations from his filing.
Denying Padilla counsel and due process was and is inexcusable.
As for torture, the specific actions taken against him as alleged (they are unproved and the accused have not been heard on the matter given that the court ruled against the motion without entertaining the allegations) simply are not torture. Torture is now a word that is sliding into "any discomfort experienced by a person held against his/her will" which denigrates the word and denigrates those who have actually been subjected to torture.
I'm having a little trouble following the 'logic' here. On the one hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying torture him, torture him. And on the other hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying he wasn't tortured, he wasn't tortured.
Imagine my confusion.
It goes along with the claims that 'our legal system sucks' and 'the issue isn't the legal system'.
Doublethink. It's not just for Oceania any more!
You have a convicted terrorist saying he was tortured ( as most are trained and do claim) and the US Gov saying he wasn't.
Of course. THe Gov is lying.
Well, they did 'lose' his interrogation videos.
But of course you must have known that, seeing as how you've been following it so closely and are so very well informed on it.
Four hundred years ago tonight, a man from Pisa, Italy took a newly-made telescope with a magnifying power of 33X, pointed it at one of the brighter lights in the sky, and changed mankind forever.
The man, of course, was Galileo, and the light he observed on January 7, 1610 was Jupiter. He spotted "three fixed stars" that were invisible to the eye near the planet, and a fourth a few days later.
I'm having a little trouble following the 'logic' here. On the one hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying torture him, torture him. And on the other hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying he wasn't tortured, he wasn't tortured.
Imagine my confusion.
Where did Ben Hur say "torture him"? you can just link to the post.
And any others you find . . .
Padilla's accusations of being "torture" was detailed in a filing in the Southern District of Florida with excerpts posted here.
The torture was specified as -
1) being placed in solitary confinement
2) being deprived of a mattress and personal articles
3) being deprived of sleep due to the lack of said mattress
4) being subjected to different room temperatures and "noxious fumes" that made his eyes water and nose run
5) being placed in "stress positions" (unspecified)
6) being told by interrogators that he was in a different location than he was
7) being told at one point that he would be cut by a knife and had alcohol poured on his wounds.
Those are the allegations from his filing.
Denying Padilla counsel and due process was and is inexcusable.
As for torture, the specific actions taken against him as alleged (they are unproved and the accused have not been heard on the matter given that the court ruled against the motion without entertaining the allegations) simply are not torture. Torture is now a word that is sliding into "any discomfort experienced by a person held against his/her will" which denigrates the word and denigrates those who have actually been subjected to torture.
I'd have updinged you for this, but holding someone in extended solitary confinement like that does rise to the level of torture, as do the stress positions permitted under the EIT: the 'enhanced interrogation techniques' promoted under the Bush admin.
Simply that he isn't someone we picked up on the battlefield.
Depends on how you classify "battlefield", as far as he was concerned the flight to detroit was a military target. You're arguing because he wanted to kill people here instead of afghanistan that somehow makes him eligible for better treatment. That isn't something I'm going to be able to agree with.
Well, they did 'lose' his interrogation videos.
But of course you must have known that, seeing as how you've been following it so closely and are so very well informed on it.
Amazing how closely you did from Scotland.
And I gather t's your ideology apparently, that leads you to defend a terrorist over the US government till the end.
Unless this is really about Obama Bush and the Patriot Act.
I'd have updinged you for this, but holding someone in extended solitary confinement like that does rise to the level of torture, as do the stress positions permitted under the EIT: the 'enhanced interrogation techniques' promoted under the Bush admin.
Last word:
Start watching "Locked Up" on MSNBC and the "World's Most Dangerous Prisons" on the History Channel.
Depends on how you classify "battlefield", as far as he was concerned the flight to detroit was a military target. You're arguing because he wanted to kill people here instead of afghanistan that somehow makes him eligible for better treatment. That isn't something I'm going to be able to agree with.
No, I'm arguing that we have the means to try him in a civilian court, as has become common practice with terror suspects apprehended on U.S. soil, and that I think we should continue with that practice.
Yes, amazing that an American, who was living in America, and is currently still living in America, cares enough about America to have been following this case.
Less amazing? That you're now resorting to the old and tired insinuation that I am not American.
Later is right. Idiot.
No, I'm arguing that we have the means to try him in a civilian court, as has become common practice with terror suspects apprehended on U.S. soil, and that I think we should continue with that practice.
What other examples do we have of terrorist receiving convictions from a civilian court?
Thanks Walter. We'll have to disagree about this for now, cuz I gotta go. For the record, I'm anti-torture not because as Ben Hur seems to want to think because I'm pro-bad guy. I'm anti-torture because it doesn't work and because we're better than that, but mostly because it doesn't work.
Thanks Walter. We'll have to disagree about this for now, cuz I gotta go. For the record, I'm anti-torture not because as Ben Hur seems to want to think because I'm pro-bad guy. I'm anti-torture because it doesn't work and because we're better than that, but mostly because it doesn't work.
Disagree with what? Are you fucking reading what I am saying, I am against torture... what do you want me to do, sign a confession?
Those two were not prosecuted, they confessed and they were convicted. There is a difference.
And read my comments up thread, I have no problem with criminal courts handling most of these people.
Fair enough. I'm just baffled as to why a procedure we've been following for years has suddenly become so inadequate to so many people. It seems to work fine.
Thanks Walter. We'll have to disagree about this for now, cuz I gotta go. For the record, I'm anti-torture not because as Ben Hur seems to want to think because I'm pro-bad guy. I'm anti-torture because it doesn't work and because we're better than that, but mostly because it doesn't work.
Please read what Walter has said. He was answering a question, not advocating torture.
Again, Walter is against torture, his response "torture them" was in response to a question, not an advocacy FOR torture.
No, I'm arguing that we have the means to try him in a civilian court, as has become common practice with terror suspects apprehended on U.S. soil, and that I think we should continue with that practice.
We also have the means to hold him as a military detainee. After Richard Reid we decided we needed a better way to deal with some of these people, hence the whole Padilla situation. My only point is that these issues should be dealt with on a case by case basis and in this case the panty bomber likely has info we need that we cannot get in a civilian arena.
We also have the means to hold him as a military detainee. After Richard Reid we decided we needed a better way to deal with some of these people, hence the whole Padilla situation. My only point is that these issues should be dealt with on a case by case basis and in this case the panty bomber likely has info we need that we cannot get in a civilian arena.
We have the means, I just don't see that we have the justification or the need.
The international laws of war do not limit the U.S. government's power to detain suspected terrorists or their supporters at Guantanamo Bay, the D.C. Circuit ruled in a decision meant to "narrow the legal uncertainty that clouds military detention."
Both Reid and Padilla were tried in civilian courts.
My point being, people argue this issue and they don't even know who was prosecuted, who confessed, who this, who that... I wish people would get facts straight first... And then you have people like Olsenist who can't even read.
We have the means, I just don't see that we have the justification or the need.
I think catching someone in the act gives us the justification. He wasn't captured due to good police work but because he failed in the process of committing a terrorist act.
I'd have updinged you for this, but holding someone in extended solitary confinement like that does rise to the level of torture, as do the stress positions permitted under the EIT: the 'enhanced interrogation techniques' promoted under the Bush admin.
If we are speaking about laws and lawfulness (which I think both of us support) then "rising to the level of torture" should not come down to opposing assertions but a standard by which facts can be judged.
Yes - The EITs specified in the CIAs Inspector General's report are now (de facto) considered torture.
Not only does that include stress positions, but it also includes -
Walling - which is shoving the captive against a wall that is designed to "give way" such that the captive cannot be harmed, but perceives that he/she was shoved up against a wall nonetheless
* Belly Slapping - self explanatory.
* Slapping of any kind - self explanatory.
* Shaking - Shaking the captive so as to jar him/her.
* Holding - Firmly holding the captive.
That is not the exhaustive list - it also includes temperature control and sleep deprivation, which Padilla alleges to have endured. And the list also includes waterboarding.
The list did not include being placed in solitary confinement and being deprived of a window as torture. Oddly, Padilla's allegations in his file contain a particular contradiction that might invite some skepticism of his allegations - he alleges that he would be "kept up at night" and then interrogated in the morning while also alleging that he was deprived of any means to sense when day or night were taking place (eg - window, clock and other personal effects).
So - I am wondering if there is a lawful standard recognized in the US where solitary confinement with no windows and personal effects rises to the standard of torture?
My point being, people argue this issue and they don't even know who was prosecuted, who confessed, who this, who that... I wish people would get facts straight first... And then you have people like Olsenist who can't even read.
Yeah, I should have caught up before I posted that.
Disagree with what? Are you fucking reading what I am saying, I am against torture... what do you want me to do, sign a confession?
I think you have a case for complaint. You are being tortured.
(Just for the record, sometimes you say what you DON'T mean. You have got me a couple of times with that. So reading what your saying is not the same as knowing what you mean.)
I think catching someone in the act gives us the justification. He wasn't captured due to good police work but because he failed in the process of committing a terrorist act.
Huh? I'm sorry, but are you suggesting that we should try in the U.S. if he'd been detected through police work?
I think you have a case for complaint. You are being tortured.
(Just for the record, sometimes you say what you DON'T mean. You have got me a couple of times with that. So reading what your saying is not the same as knowing what you mean.)
That's why everyone has to pay attention. I am the sum of all my parts, not just one part.
I'm not advocating for that position but it's an argument that I think has merit. If he were caught due to actual police work, meaning they had already done an investigation and knew the what/why/where stuff then not classifying him as a military detainee and tossing him in a civilian jail makes more sense to me. But that isn't the case here, In this case they had zero idea of what he was up to until his bomb failed. We still have all the questions without a good way of getting definitive answers unless he were classified as a military detainee and held under military rules.
So - I am wondering if there is a lawful standard recognized in the US where solitary confinement with no windows and personal effects rises to the standard of torture?
It's the extended forms of solitary confinement that don't include the breaks you mention that (imo) rise to the level of torture.
I'll come back to this thread later with links about the mental health effects. I believe there is at least one case in the US where it was ruled that the conditions that prisoner existed under rose to the level of 'cruel and inhuman' treatment; the CA and IL prisons that employ it adjusted their guidelines accordingly (22 1/2, not 24 hr). I can't recall it at the moment but I'll find it.
For the record, I do support solitary confinement along the lines of the CA prison, particularly for the most violent and dangerous prisoners (and Death Row). To some extent that's because there solitary confinement is necessary to protect the guards themselves, and isn't being used as a form of punishment at all, but as a necessary concommitant to holding people like that and protecting those tasked with holding them.
I think you have a case for complaint. You are being tortured.
(Just for the record, sometimes you say what you DON'T mean. You have got me a couple of times with that. So reading what your saying is not the same as knowing what you mean.)
Well, while it is fairly well-known that Walter leaves off the sarc tag, what is less well-known is that I often upding to acknowledge his sarcasm in those cases, now that I know him. I assume he knows me well enough to know when I'm doing that.
He caught me a couple of times in the beginning too, but it's all part of The Walter Experience, without which we would all be the poorer. Absolutely no sarcasm about that.
By whom? Whacked out wingers? They suggest all sorts of crap.
I won't link to a site, but you can google this.
Rasmussen:
Fifty-eight percent (58%) of U.S. voters say waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques should be used to gain information from the terrorist who attempted to bomb an airliner on Christmas Day.
re: #730 Buck
You are illustrating why we have laws. Mob rule doesn't work that well.
What also doesn't work is allowing the definition of torture to expand so as to encompass any discomfort experienced by a captive, thereby making intelligence gathering from religious zealots bent on our destruction a bit more difficult than say, serving them tea and asking if they slept well. Torture is now a fungible term and is often whipped out as a morality stick against anyone seeking to treat enemy combatants differently than criminals such as drug dealers.
We need lawful standards. But when we hand terrorists the ability to pretend that they are just civilians while they are in fact fighting as an organized force in the cause of establishing religious rule over all of mankind we end up -
1) providing them both "cover and concealment" and "battlefield access" in terms of warfighting, and
2) the means to use rights under our laws (which they'd abolish upon achieving power) to prevent the disruption of their efforts and the successful suppression of their agents.
This is either a war or it is not. We have laws of war. We have civilian laws. One set of laws needs to be amended so as to effectively combat an existential threat to our free society.
What frustrates me is that there seems to be a stubborn insistence that we are handing terrorists a victory when we amend civilians laws to deal with terrorists and the advantages they seek via our laws. That frustration is compounded when seeking discussion of amending laws of war (be it the UCMJ or the Geneva Conventions) is also reduced to an amoral act of trying to legalize torture, usurp the Constitution, or bring shame on America because "we don't fight wars that way."
Wars are ended when one side sees an "ever worsening situation" and capitulates to make that situation go away (Clausewitz's definition). One can imagine the US experiencing progressively more and worse terror attacks over time were it unable to adapt new means of foiling attack (given that Al Qaeda often designs methods of attack that exploit our laws, at least according to the 9/11 Commission report). That would be an ever worsening situation and one can imagine making small concessions in hopes of a peace of sorts. Yet given the aims of the enemy, the religious absolutism that motivates it, and the reward we would hand them, it is prudent to expect the situation to worsen again in a short while.
Point being that fighting this particular war requires that we are willing and able to adapt our laws to the situation as it changes by the initiative of the enemy. Creating a rhetorical castle of absolutism wherein neither amending civilian law nor the law of war is allowable because of the moral costs gets us nowhere.
In all of that I am not trying to strawman you - you didn't claim these things I am bitching about. I am simply laying out a rant of sorts against some of the absolutism regarding "lawfulness" that I deal with often and many seem to think that laws can't be changed while our system is set up not only to allow change but to encourage it. That, coupled with the ever elusive standard that is "torture" (yet the very clear moral tone with which it is employed) just frustrates the crap out of me.
I am simply laying out a rant of sorts against some of the absolutism regarding "lawfulness" that I deal with often and many seem to think that laws can't be changed while our system is set up not only to allow change but to encourage it.
Judge brown, in the decision I linked earlier, said virtually the same thing:
The law must "adjust" to unconventional warfare, Brown added in a separate concurring opinion. "It must recognize that the old wineskins of international law, domestic criminal procedure, or other prior frameworks are ill-suited to the bitter wine of this new warfare."
You are illustrating why we have laws. Mob rule doesn't work that well.
Actually what I am illustrating is that it is not just "Whacked out wingers".
Even if we don't waterboard him (and you might know that I am on the waterboarding is NOT torture side), the poll does make the point that the voters are interested in trading security for liberty, if the liberty in question is some scum terrorist.
re:736
Wench,been here a long time,love the breadth of comments,sublime and informative to the moronic.I have developed a fondness for the likes of Mama Winger,Cato the elder and others,reminds me of me days sitting in the Quarry House in Silver Spring.Carpenters,programmers,salesmen,photographers,and an ex liason from the CIA to the FBI all called it their watering hole.You would stumble out a little stupid and much enlightened.
Drop out of school, before your mind rots from exposure to our mediocre educational system. Go to the library and educate yourself if you've got any guts... -- Quoted from an article on FZ in the June 1995 issue of "SLUG" magazine. Article titled "Zappa behind the Sneer. I think the magazine may be a local (Salt Lake City) publication.
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