3 | tradewind Wed, Jan 6, 2010 11:24:44pm |
That's a troll bridge?
Nah, not scary looking enough. They prefer dilapidated infrastructure , untainted by stimulus money.///
4 | freetoken Wed, Jan 6, 2010 11:33:55pm |
Paint job beckons
tax deficits delays
bridges suffer
trolls laugh
5 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 6, 2010 11:36:51pm |
What Is A Troll?The term derives from "trolling", a style of fishing which involves trailing bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The troll posts a message, often in response to an honest question, that is intended to upset, disrupt or simply insult the group.
Usually, it will fail, as the troll rarely bothers to match the tone or style of the group, and usually its ignorance shows.
Why do trolls do it?
I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.
Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.
For trolls, any response is 'recognition'; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.
Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it's a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?
Remember that trolls are cowards; they'll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that's what they do!).
6 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Jan 6, 2010 11:42:39pm |
Language Warning.
7 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Jan 6, 2010 11:54:58pm |
Are iguanas our brothers? If so, they need our help in Florida. They are falling from trees!!!!!
[Link: www.justnews.com...]
8 | UncleSam Wed, Jan 6, 2010 11:56:02pm |
No self-respecting troll would live under that bridge.
Maybe a hobo or two, but even that's stretching it a bit.
The most you could hope for is a couple of discarded troll dolls like those which were popular in the 60's, and even they would be embarrassed to live there.
11 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:03:54am |
re: #8 UncleSam
Most trolls live in their mom's basement. Just sayin'.
12 | freetoken Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:07:50am |
Well, I see that PJM has gone to the devil himself, so to speak, in their quest for AGW-denialism. Tonight they posted a short (and absurd) essay by Joseph Bast, president of the Heartland Institute, one of the main organs of AGW science denialism (along with tobacco carcinogen denial, etc.)
13 | UncleSam Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:08:10am |
re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth
Most trolls live in their mom's basement. Just sayin'.
Now, that is scary!
And sadly true....
14 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:09:16am |
re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth
Most trolls live in their mom's basement. Just sayin'.
I kinda wish we had basements here. I would make it a sports watching room, complete with bleacher seats.
15 | ryannon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:09:35am |
re: #12 freetoken
Well, I see that PJM has gone to the devil himself, so to speak, in their quest for AGW-denialism. Tonight they posted a short (and absurd) essay by Joseph Bast, president of the Heartland Institute, one of the main organs of AGW science denialism (along with tobacco carcinogen denial, etc.)
Makes you wonder who spiked the Kool-Aid over there - and why.
They started off as a pretty reasonable, decent bunch.
16 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:12:28am |
re: #15 ryannon
Makes you wonder who spiked the Kool-Aid over there - and why.
They started off as a pretty reasonable, decent bunch.
The left went off with "W." And I can''t believe the right, right about now. I feel like I am on an island. And I'm not. It's 5 miles away.
17 | UncleSam Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:12:39am |
re: #14 Cannadian Club Akbar
I kinda wish we had basements here. I would make it a sports watching room, complete with bleacher seats.
My uncle had a huge basement with a bar, a pool table and a giant Lionel train set layout.
Wonderful.
18 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:12:58am |
re: #14 Cannadian Club Akbar
I kinda wish we had basements here. I would make it a sports watching room, complete with bleacher seats.
Quake country or flood country?
19 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:16:09am |
re: #17 UncleSam
My uncle had a huge basement with a bar, a pool table and a giant Lionel train set layout.
Wonderful.
So, you're an uncle and you have an uncle. That makes me, well, I am an uncle too!!!
re: #18 Slumbering Behemoth
Quake country or flood country?
I live in Florida. I can dig with a cupped hand and hit water. Been that way since I was 6 or so.
20 | UncleSam Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:18:22am |
re: #19 Cannadian Club Akbar
I live in Florida. I can dig with a cupped hand and hit water. Been that way since I was 6 or so.
I had an uncle.
He tragically died in a penguin stampede at the Portland Zoo.
21 | Sharmuta Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:20:45am |
Holocaust Shooter Dies Awaiting Trial
James W. von Brunn, who was accused of fatally shooting a security guard at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington in June, died on Wednesday at a hospital in North Carolina, near the federal prison where he was being held. He was 89.
His court-appointed lawyer, A. J. Kramer, said Mr. von Brunn had died of natural causes after having a history of chronic diseases. “He had been bedridden,” Mr. Kramer said. “He had never really recovered the use of his legs, and it was a continual deterioration of his health.”
Mr. von Brunn, who had been known to the authorities for anti-Semitic and white supremacist views before the museum shooting, was indicted in July on charges including first-degree murder in the death of a museum guard, Stephen T. Johns.
22 | freetoken Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:20:54am |
re: #15 ryannon
Makes you wonder who spiked the Kool-Aid over there - and why.
The owner of PJM apparently froths at the mouth at the mention of Al Gore, and appears to be hell bent on trying to get at Gore by attacking AGW.
It's absurd... but that is what happens - anger causes blindness.
23 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:20:54am |
re: #20 UncleSam
I had an uncle.
He tragically died in a penguin stampede at the Portland Zoo.
Musta been Portland, Oregon. I used to run guns to the ones in Portland, Maine. Just sayin'.
/
25 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:21:24am |
And when I hear:
"You can't walk to Turkmenistan!"
I say "Of course I can - screw you".
26 | UncleSam Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:22:15am |
re: #23 Cannadian Club Akbar
Musta been Portland, Oregon. I used to run guns to the ones in Portland, Maine. Just sayin'.
/
Yup, he lived in Portland, Oregon.
27 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:22:53am |
28 | SixDegrees Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:23:54am |
re: #24 Sharmuta
Oops.
As much as I would have liked to see justice play out in this case, on the upside it saves taxpayers the expense of a trial, and deprives this disturbed individual of a platform from which to spray his hate and disease.
29 | Sharmuta Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:24:55am |
re: #28 SixDegrees
As much as I would have liked to see justice play out in this case, on the upside it saves taxpayers the expense of a trial, and deprives this disturbed individual of a platform from which to spray his hate and disease.
You're not going to get kimchi with thoughts like that...
30 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:25:06am |
re: #19 Cannadian Club Akbar
I live in Florida. I can dig with a cupped hand and hit water. Been that way since I was 6 or so.
A Canadian! In Florida! I'm writing my congressman about this.
/
31 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:26:09am |
32 | SixDegrees Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:26:49am |
The latest Veridian Dynamics commercial, from Better Off Ted:
This show just keeps getting better.
33 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:28:31am |
re: #32 SixDegrees
We have talked about that show. Usually, it takes a while for things to get rolling. Look at early Seinfeld. It pretty much sucked.
34 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:30:17am |
re: #32 SixDegrees
Probably the only sit-com I actually watch. Portia is great in it, and I am happy to see her on the tube again. Her character on Arrested Development always cracked me up.
35 | UncleSam Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:31:00am |
re: #27 Cannadian Club Akbar
Damned hippies!!!
It's weird how Portland has become a hippie hangout, because they used to be conservative politically and economically, but liberal, socially.
Now it's all liberal everything.
Kind of like California.
Which is pretty much totally screwed by the leftist takeover and rigging of the entire government and electoral system.
36 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:31:02am |
re: #30 Slumbering Behemoth
A Canadian! In Florida! I'm writing my congressman about this.
/
I am not lying here.. I had 16 people from Canada in my house at one time for at least 10 days. OMG!!! And I was the only one who knew how to make B&G.
37 | SixDegrees Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:37:46am |
re: #34 Slumbering Behemoth
Probably the only sit-com I actually watch. Portia is great in it, and I am happy to see her on the tube again. Her character on Arrested Development always cracked me up.
I agree. She is brilliant.
38 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:37:47am |
re: #35 UncleSam
I must ask this... Can you tell me how they took over the electorate? I kinda know about Washington State.
39 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:41:52am |
re: #36 Cannadian Club Akbar
Okay now, what is "B&G"? Some commie Canadian plot?
/
Seriously though, what is it?
40 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:44:44am |
re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth
Okay now, what is "B&G"? Some commie Canadian plot?
/Seriously though, what is it?
Biscuits and gravy. If you never had it, thank yourself. If you have heard of it, ya better learn to make it. Actually it is sausage gravy. Like nothin' you have had. Yummie!!!
41 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:47:52am |
re: #40 Cannadian Club Akbar
Oh, got it. Actually, I am not a fan of it. I probably consume a grand total of two tablespoons of gravy per year, at Thanksgiving, and that's only because my mom makes it. Granted, her gravy is awesome, but I'm just not into gravy.
42 | Stanghazi Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:49:58am |
re: #36 Cannadian Club Akbar
I am not lying here.. I had 16 people from Canada in my house at one time for at least 10 days. OMG!!! And I was the only one who knew how to make B&G.
Upding for B&G.
43 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:55:17am |
re: #37 SixDegrees
I agree. She is brilliant.
Indeed. Here she is apologizing for destroying marriage, western culture, etc.
44 | TheMatrix31 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:57:04am |
Better Off Ted and Modern Family are both beyond fantastic.
45 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:57:40am |
re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh, got it. Actually, I am not a fan of it. I probably consume a grand total of two tablespoons of gravy per year, at Thanksgiving, and that's only because my mom makes it. Granted, her gravy is awesome, but I'm just not into gravy.
There is a difference. B&G sticks to you. It is a good morning food.
re: #42 Stanley Sea
Upding for B&G.
Many don't understand how we in the South do things.
46 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jan 7, 2010 12:59:12am |
re: #45 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'll take grits with bacon and pepper, if it's all the same to you. :)
47 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 1:00:03am |
re: #46 Slumbering Behemoth
I'll take grits with bacon and pepper, if it's all the same to you. :)
You good...
48 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 1:08:16am |
I must impose a self imposed Iron Fist rule. I have worked 7 days in a row. That isn't a bad thing. But I am tired. And I must go to the CCA Ranch tomorrow. I might mow yard. I might not. Geez, I was bitching about 95 degree heat about 6 months ago.
49 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jan 7, 2010 1:10:20am |
re: #47 Cannadian Club Akbar
Heck, I'm not even a Southerner. The farthest south I've ever been was New Mexico. But I have had the great fortune of having friends from all over the country.
When I was a teen, one friend of mine was a transplant from the south. He fixed us up a batch of grits (my first time trying them), and I asked "Where's the sugar"?
He looked at me like I was about to stab a puppy with a crucifix. "You don't put sugar on grits! Butter, salt, pepper, bacon! No fucking sugar!"
50 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 1:11:50am |
re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth
Heck, I'm not even a Southerner. The farthest south I've ever been was New Mexico. But I have had the great fortune of having friends from all over the country.
When I was a teen, one friend of mine was a transplant from the south. He fixed us up a batch of grits (my first time trying them), and I asked "Where's the sugar"?
He looked at me like I was about to stab a puppy with a crucifix. "You don't put sugar on grits! Butter, salt, pepper, bacon! No fucking sugar!"
Was he wrong?
51 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Jan 7, 2010 1:15:34am |
re: #50 Cannadian Club Akbar
Was he wrong?
Nope, he was dead right. It's delicious as hell that way, and I don't have much of a sweet tooth to begin with. My bacon tooth could probably fell an elephant, though.
G'nite dude, I'm knocking off as well.
52 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jan 7, 2010 1:42:54am |
Best biscuits and gravy I ever had was in Moab, Utah, at a restaurant that also did the catering for the firefighters. I was ready to go out and stamp out a 4,000-acre blaze.
54 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 3:40:40am |
Morning folks.
If anyone is following the Ryan Frederick case, he lost his appeal yesterday.
[Link: www.wvec.com...]
55 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:00:24am |
Good Morning Lizards.
Speaking of gravy, anyone remember this cartoon?
And this time we didn't forget the gravy!
No video unfortunately.
58 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:16:56am |
It even succeeded in determining which missiles to shoot down - those whose trajectory made them likely to land in a populated area - and which to ignore.
SNIP
The first operational battery is expected to be deployed in May.
SNIP
59 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:18:41am |
Six shells exploded in the northwestern Negev, three others struck near the Kerem Shalom crossing with Gaza, while another exploded in the coastal strip.
The Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) claimed responsibility Thursday for the mortar fire.
SNIP
60 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:19:44am |
Sarah Jackman, Sarah Jackman,
How's by you? How's by you?
61 | bloodnok Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:21:17am |
62 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:24:24am |
63 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:25:00am |
AQ is not even mentioned in the Undie Bomber's indictment?
64 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:31:10am |
re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sarah Jackman, Sarah Jackman,
How's by you? How's by you?
I'd like to know what do you think...oh boy,
What's your opinion of mink...OH BOY!
65 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:36:48am |
The agency has set a goal of answering only 71 percent of calls to its toll-free help line this year, and those fortunate enough to get through are expected to spend an average of 12 minutes on hold, according to a report released Wednesday by an IRS ombudsman.
"This level of service is unacceptable," National Taxpayer Advocate Nina E. Olson said, calling it the "number one most serious problem for taxpayers."
SNIP
66 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:40:01am |
The move ends – temporarily at least – the public career of the city’s first female mayor and a longtime force in Baltimore politics. It also concludes a political and legal drama that has consumed the city for months.
“Today is a sad day,” Mayor Dixon said at a late afternoon press conference, unusually choked up for a woman who has long projected a tough-as-nails public image. “It is a cloud. But the sun comes out.”
SNIP
Earlier in the day, Dixon had entered an Alford plea to one count of perjury – a charge related to prosecutors’ assertion that she had failed to disclose gifts from her former boyfriend and prominent Baltimore developer, Ronald Lipscomb. The Alford plea means that although Dixon does not admit guilt, she recognizes that prosecutors have enough evidence to convict her.
Mr. Lipscomb’s gifts were to be the subject of a trial scheduled to begin in March. Last month, in a separate trial, a jury convicted the mayor of taking for her own use gift cards donated for the city’s poor.
Under Wednesday’s agreement, prosecutors asked the court to strike last month’s guilty verdict and give Dixon probation before judgment – a legal status that means the mayor does not have a criminal conviction. She will serve no jail time, keep her $83,000 a year pension and after two years will be able to run again for office.
In return, the mayor has pledged to step down from office as of Feb. 4. Dixon will also receive four years of unsupervised probation, contribute 500 hours of community service, and donate $45,000 to charity.
SNIP
67 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:42:09am |
The protesters pelted cars with stones. Earlier, they smashed ambulances at the hospital in frustration over delays in turning over the bodies for burial. A security official says police fired tear gas to disperse the crowd.
The official and witnesses spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
The riots follow an attack the previous night, in which three gunmen in a car sprayed automatic gunfire into a crowd leaving a church in the town of Nag Hamadi, about 40 miles from the ancient ruins of Luxor. The lead attacker is identified as a Muslim.
SNIP
68 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:43:16am |
Who blow up da Internet?
I can load LGF (one of the most visually complex sites I visit, and I assume complex behind the scenes) but other sites won't load.
69 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:46:43am |
re: #68 SteveC
Who blow up da Internet?
I can load LGF (one of the most visually complex sites I visit, and I assume complex behind the scenes) but other sites won't load.
SHOOT YER MODEM!
70 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:48:07am |
re: #69 MandyManners
SHOOT YER MODEM!
OK! This shouldn't take but a sec -
*BANG!* @#%$#@#$#-------------------- *No Carrier*
71 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:48:40am |
72 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:49:29am |
re: #70 SteveC
OK! This shouldn't take but a sec -
*BANG!* @#%$#@#$#--- *No Carrier*
I hope you unplugged it first.
73 | Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:49:58am |
Plane bomb suspect joined al Qaeda in London: Yemen
"The information provided to us is that Umar Farouk (Abdulmutallab) joined al Qaeda in London," Rshad al-Alimi, Yemen's Deputy Prime Minister for Defense and Security, told a news conference on Thursday.
74 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:50:02am |
re: #71 Spare O'Lake
Is it really a great idea to ask the IRS for tax advice?
It's not like the government would lie, ya' know.
75 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:50:34am |
re: #68 SteveC
Who blow up da Internet?
I can load LGF (one of the most visually complex sites I visit, and I assume complex behind the scenes) but other sites won't load.
Do not adjust your computer.
Resistance is futile.
76 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:51:35am |
re: #68 SteveC
Who blow up da Internet?
I can load LGF (one of the most visually complex sites I visit, and I assume complex behind the scenes) but other sites won't load.
Steve - is this how you feel?
77 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:52:32am |
re: #72 MandyManners
I hope you unplugged it first.
Hell, Mandy! I'm not computer litri litrate lo I don't know a damn thing about computers, so tell me these things before I do them!
78 | Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:53:13am |
79 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:53:34am |
At the Daily Dish: "Sick" Of The Israelis And The Palestinians
Israel dictates US foreign policy?
. . .
I too am sick of the Israelis for their contempt for the interests of their most important ally, their continuation of brutalizing colonization of the West Bank, their shameless ethnic engineering in East Jerusalem, their pulverization of Gaza, the direct manipulation of domestic American politics by their ambassador, and on and on. And, yes, I'm also sick of the war crimes and theocratic insanity of Hamas, and the lame passive-aggression of the PA, and the inability of the Palestinian leadership to prepare for actual governance as opposed to the victimized preening and theatrics and violence they prefer to the difficult compromises required if we are to move forward.And if Rahm Emanuel is sick of them all, one can imagine how the average American feels. My own view is moving toward supporting a direct American military imposition of a two-state solution, with NATO troops on the borders of the new states of Palestine and Israel. I'm sick of having a great power like the US being dictated to in the conduct of its own foreign policy by an ally that provides almost no real benefit to the US, and more and more costs.
80 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:53:55am |
re: #76 reine.de.tout
Steve - is this how you feel?
I'm not quite to the bleedin' stage yet! I got you guys! :)
81 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:53:55am |
re: #68 SteveC
Who blow up da Internet?
I can load LGF (one of the most visually complex sites I visit, and I assume complex behind the scenes) but other sites won't load.
Must be something in your area? I've been on for hours and haven't noticed any lag anywhere.
82 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:54:34am |
re: #77 SteveC
Hell, Mandy! I'm not computer
litrilitrateloI don't know a damn thing about computers, so tell me these things before I do them!
I know the feeling.
83 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:55:51am |
re: #81 RogueOne
Must be something in your area? I've been on for hours and haven't noticed any lag anywhere.
"Cut that... no, cut that wire."
84 | bloodnok Thu, Jan 7, 2010 4:58:57am |
re: #79 reine.de.tout
Wow. There's the Andrew Sullivan I remember.
85 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:02:13am |
re: #84 bloodnok
Wow. There's the Andrew Sullivan I remember.
This part was really shocking, imo:
My own view is moving toward supporting a direct American military imposition of a two-state solution, with NATO troops on the borders of the new states of Palestine and Israel.
What . . . we should invade?
sheesh.
86 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:04:36am |
I was in Atlanta for a doctor's appointment trying to answer some e-mail. Couldn't get a connection, but thought that since my computer was new and I hadn't used it much, I was doing it wrong. Finally gave up and went down to the hotel Business Center.
Business Center computers couldn't reach the net, either. So I walked around to the Front Desk and asked "Is the hotel having problems with their internet connection or am I just having a really bad day?"
Front desk clerk says a truck backed into the wireless internet box in the parking lot and its broken. It won't work until tomorrow sometime. Now go back to your room.
Hello?!?! I know I look young, but not that young! And whatever happened to courtesy and manners? So I asked him if it was wireless internet, why is there even a box?
*Dirty look*
87 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:04:41am |
re: #79 reine.de.tout
At the Daily Dish: "Sick" Of The Israelis And The Palestinians
.....My own view is moving toward supporting a direct American military imposition of a two-state solution, with NATO troops on the borders of the new states of Palestine and Israel.
That sounds like a request to invade Israel. What a tool.
88 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:05:33am |
re: #82 MandyManners
I know the feeling.
yeah, I saw what the conclusion to your problem was yesterday. I started to give you a hard time about it but decided your day was rough enough.
89 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:05:55am |
re: #79 reine.de.tout
At the Daily Dish: "Sick" Of The Israelis And The Palestinians
Israel dictates US foreign policy?
My own view is moving toward supporting a direct American military imposition of a two-state solution, with NATO troops on the borders of the new states of Palestine and Israel.
Wasn't that the POV of Samantha Powers who worked for BHO's transition team in the State Department and who now is on the National Security Council and who is married to Cass Sunstein, Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs?
90 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:06:41am |
re: #88 RogueOne
yeah, I saw what the conclusion to your problem was yesterday. I started to give you a hard time about it but decided your day was rough enough.
It never occured to me to Google it and then bookmark it.
92 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:08:00am |
My own view is moving toward supporting a direct American military imposition of a two-state solution, with NATO troops on the borders of the new states of Palestine and Israel.
I just know the NATO countries are going to be begging for that assignment...
93 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:09:24am |
re: #91 MandyManners
Report that desk clerk!
The hotel *always* mails me a "how did we do?" survey about a week later. That time, they didn't do so great...
94 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:11:05am |
re: #79 reine.de.tout
At the Daily Dish: "Sick" Of The Israelis And The Palestinians
Israel dictates US foreign policy?
The comments come after reports that Rahm Emanuel recently told an Israeli diplomat that the U.S. is fed up with both sides, and said that Washington would reduce its involvement in peace efforts if no significant progress was made.
SNIP
Emanuel added that if there is no progress in the peace process, the Obama administration will reduce its involvement in the conflict, because, as he reportedly said, the U.S. has other matters to deal with.
SNIP
This would be a bad thing?
95 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:12:46am |
re: #85 reine.de.tout
I flipped through some of the recent sullivan posts and came across the politico kerfluffle.
[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]
How dare politico print something that evil Cheney said./ There is a lot of pointing out of silly outrage here, this should be bumped to the top of the list.
97 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:14:33am |
re: #95 RogueOne
I flipped through some of the recent sullivan posts and came across the politico kerfluffle.
[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]How dare politico print something that evil Cheney said./ There is a lot of pointing out of silly outrage here, this should be bumped to the top of the list.
Remember, Dick said stuff after he was out of office. Unlike Clinton, Carter, etc.
98 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:14:42am |
re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar
Morning, Honcos.
*Slaps down a plate of bacon and eggs in front of Akbar*
Mornin'!
99 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:15:59am |
100 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:16:32am |
Speaking of tools, I can't believe I missed Balloon boy dad on Larry King last night. Morning Joe is having a good time playing clips. I still say his kid blurting out on live tv that the whole thing was a hoax was the funniest bit of TV in 2009.
101 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:17:11am |
re: #94 MandyManners
SNIP
This would be a bad thing?
Nah.
Interesting that Sullivan would refer to an incident that the administrations says did not happen.
102 | Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:18:07am |
Obama Official Confirms Birth of Child
"President Obama’s top budget official acknowledged Wednesday fathering a child out of wedlock, less than two weeks after announcing his engagement to another woman."
This ought to get the Right Wingnuts seathing about the moral decay that this administration is promoting.
103 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:18:30am |
re: #100 RogueOne
Speaking of tools, I can't believe I missed Balloon boy dad on Larry King last night. Morning Joe is having a good time playing clips. I still say his kid blurting out on live tv that the whole thing was a hoax was the funniest bit of TV in 2009.
Or pukin'! Can't forget that award winning "the game is up!" puke! On two networks, nonetheless!
104 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:21:07am |
Morning Lizards. Happy snow day on this blustery Thursday morning. Did I miss anything in my all-day meeting yesterday?
105 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:22:29am |
re: #104 thedopefishlives
Morning Lizards. Happy snow day on this blustery Thursday morning. Did I miss anything in my all-day meeting yesterday?
Yes. We asked you to leave, but you didn't. Expect a knock on your door soon.
//
107 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:22:44am |
re: #104 thedopefishlives
Morning Lizards. Happy snow day on this blustery Thursday morning. Did I miss anything in my all-day meeting yesterday?
The eight millionth comment at LGF was reached!
Posted by . . . Charles himself!
Inquiring minds want to know - was it a conspiracy?
108 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:23:08am |
re: #101 reine.de.tout
Nah.
Interesting that Sullivan would refer to an incident that the administrations says did not happen.
The article I linked to in No. 94 says it did happen but that Rahm's remarks were "distorted".
109 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:23:13am |
re: #102 Bubblehead II
"This child is not directly related to President Obama. As far as we can tell, he can't walk on water and can only cure minor illnesses."
110 | laZardo Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:23:39am |
re: #107 reine.de.tout
The eight millionth comment at LGF was reached!
Posted by . . . Charles himself!
Inquiring minds want to know - was it a conspiracy?
It was an INSAHD JAWB.
/technically speaking
111 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:24:29am |
re: #79 reine.de.tout
At the Daily Dish: "Sick" Of The Israelis And The Palestinians
Israel dictates US foreign policy?
According to virulent anti-semite Pat Buchanan, yes they do.
Many asshats parrot this ridiculous meme in order to scapegoat tiny Israel for the global Islamofascist terrorist threat.
///Israel is the evil puppetmaster behind all the world's problems.///
112 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:24:32am |
re: #105 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yes. We asked you to leave, but you didn't. Expect a knock on your door soon.
//
Well, that explains the lack of a Zionist check this month. Sigh.
114 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:25:13am |
Dry feet plus hardwood floors= doesn't work. Just sayin'.
115 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:25:42am |
Did Mike Leiter, the head of the National Counter-Terrorism Center, really keep on skiing after the Undie Bomber event?
116 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:25:59am |
re: #112 thedopefishlives
Well, that explains the lack of a Zionist check this month. Sigh.
We took out for your Free healthcare.:)
117 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:26:19am |
re: #111 Spare O'Lake
According to virulent anti-semite Pat Buchanan, yes they do.
Many asshats parrot this ridiculous meme in order to scapegoat tiny Israel for the global Islamofascist terrorist threat.///Israel is the evil puppetmaster behind all the world's problems.///
Doesn't Carter believe that, too?
118 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:27:02am |
re: #110 laZardo
It was an INSAHD JAWB.
/technically speaking
Heheh.
You wrote that just like I say it.
Me being a southern redneck heathen, and all.
119 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:27:07am |
re: #117 MandyManners
Doesn't Carter believe that, too?
Yes, yes he does. Which is why he actively participates in the "peace process" by holding talks with the Hamastards.
120 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:27:38am |
re: #117 MandyManners
Doesn't Carter believe that, too?
"I'll believe anything you got if it will get me a job."
121 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:28:16am |
re: #119 thedopefishlives
Yes, yes he does. Which is why he actively participates in the "peace process" by holding talks with the Hamastards.
Me like the name.
122 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:28:31am |
re: #106 Bubblehead II
Puking is a good one, but you can't beat a good fart joke. Listen closely to the part right after the boy blurts out "you said we did it for the show" His dad says "man...." then.....
123 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:28:43am |
re: #121 Cannadian Club Akbar
Me like the name.
I wish I could claim credit for it, but I don't remember who came up with it originally. I saw it here, though.
124 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:29:22am |
re: #111 Spare O'Lake
According to virulent anti-semite Pat Buchanan, yes they do.
Many asshats parrot this ridiculous meme in order to scapegoat tiny Israel for the global Islamofascist terrorist threat.///Israel is the evil puppetmaster behind all the world's problems.///
I know - I hear this and I wonder - do people really think the world's Jews have that much power?
Apparently, people do think that. It's amazing.
125 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:29:51am |
re: #123 thedopefishlives
I wish I could claim credit for it, but I don't remember who came up with it originally. I saw it here, though.
We are creative peeps, like the Amish.
/
126 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:30:02am |
re: #119 thedopefishlives
Yes, yes he does. Which is why he actively participates in the "peace process" by holding talks with the Hamastards.
re: #121 Cannadian Club Akbar
Me like the name.
Little too close to "hamsters". I don't like the idea of the LGF power supply launching rockets and carrying AK-47s.
127 | laZardo Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:30:32am |
re: #126 SteveC
Little too close to "hamsters". I don't like the idea of the LGF power supply launching rockets and carrying AK-47s.
I pronounced it "hamsturds."
128 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:31:11am |
re: #126 SteveC
Little too close to "hamsters". I don't like the idea of the LGF power supply launching rockets and carrying AK-47s.
My pizza was late once. TRY THAT!!!!
/
129 | laZardo Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:31:16am |
re: #118 reine.de.tout
Heheh.
You wrote that just like I say it.
Me being a southern redneck heathen, and all.
I was thinking of Alex Jones, to be honest. His boisterous drawl never gets old. :D
130 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:31:28am |
re: #119 thedopefishlives
Yes, yes he does. Which is why he actively participates in the "peace process" by holding talks with the Hamastards.
131 | Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:31:56am |
re: #115 MandyManners
Apparently.
NCTC director Michael Leiter remained on ski slopes after Christmas Day airline bombing attempt
132 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:32:12am |
re: #125 Cannadian Club Akbar
We are creative peeps, like the Amish.
/
Oh, yeah. I bet the LGF crew could put up a barn lickedy-split. While a few of us get dinner together... now that's good wages for hard work!
133 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:33:48am |
re: #117 MandyManners
Doesn't Carter believe that, too?
We all know that Jimmah is a craven, anti-semitic, lying, whore.
Yes.
134 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:34:29am |
re: #131 Bubblehead II
Apparently.
NCTC director Michael Leiter remained on ski slopes after Christmas Day airline bombing attempt
Egads.
135 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:35:31am |
re: #130 MandyManners
[Link: www.hyscience.com...]
One of my absolute favorites. I should print that out, but it'd probably offend someone here. I'm already on the borderline by hanging Dilbert cartoons in my cube.
136 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:36:01am |
re: #135 thedopefishlives
One of my absolute favorites. I should print that out, but it'd probably offend someone here. I'm already on the borderline by hanging Dilbert cartoons in my cube.
Oh, live dangerously!
137 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:36:08am |
138 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:36:08am |
re: #133 Spare O'Lake
We all know that Jimmah is a craven, anti-semitic, lying, whore.
Yes.
But, but he's an Ex-President!!!
139 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:37:28am |
re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I saw her get booed off the stage opening for Aerosmith.
140 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:37:33am |
The Qom Theological Lecturers Association, a regime-aligned grouping of clerics, mandated Saturday that Ayatollah Yusuf Sanei’s edicts are no longer religiously binding. The ruling was furiously disputed by the rival Association of the Lecturers and Scholars of Qom Theological Seminary and the Association of Combatant Clerics.
“It’ll be tough work [defrocking Sanei],” says Nicola Pedde, director of the Rome-based Institute for Global Studies and a frequent visitor to Iran. “It’ll provoke a massive movement from the clerical side and, possibly, totally and completely religiously delegitimize the regime.”
The crucial background struggle waged by the government and opposition supporters over religious legitimacy has taken backstage to the high-profile coverage of street-level political and social tensions. But the religious dimension is crucial in an Islamic Republic, where it is customary for members of the majority Shiite Muslim population to select an ayatollah as a religious and social object of emulation and donate to him a fifth of their income.
SNIP
142 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:39:18am |
re: #139 Cannadian Club Akbar
Who'd want to open for Aerosmith?
143 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:41:15am |
re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Who'd want to open for Aerosmith?
Aerosmith still thinks they are headliners, when they might not even be an acceptable opening act themselves!
144 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:41:36am |
re: #142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Who'd want to open for Aerosmith?
I saw Ted Nugent open for Aerosmith. Can you spell AWESOME!!!?
/No, seriously, can you?
145 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:42:17am |
re: #143 SteveC
Aerosmith still thinks they are headliners, when they might not even be an acceptable opening act themselves!
Watch your tounge, young man!!
146 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:42:23am |
re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw Ted Nugent open for Aerosmith. Can you spell AWESOME!!!?
/No, seriously, can you?
Well, I can now, now that you spelled it out for me ;)
147 | Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:42:42am |
re: #140 MandyManners
The cracks are widening. Wonder how much longer they can keep the lid on before it blows up in their face?
148 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:43:03am |
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Gallup.com: “The increased conservatism that Gallup first identified among Americans last June persisted throughout the year, so that the final year-end political ideology figures confirm Gallup’s initial reporting: conservatives (40%) outnumbered both moderates (36%) and liberals (21%) across the nation in 2009.”
My views are all within the top 97%, I'm a little of each.
150 | laZardo Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:46:06am |
re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar
I saw Ted Nugent open for Aerosmith. Can you spell AWESOME!!!?
/No, seriously, can you?
151 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:46:24am |
re: #143 SteveC
Aerosmith still thinks they are headliners, when they might not even be an acceptable opening act themselves!
*WHACK*
152 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:46:35am |
re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar
At least in the same area code of Music Genre.
Can you spell, "All Aerosmith Songs are the same song?"
(runs away laughing maniacally!)
154 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:46:48am |
re: #147 Bubblehead II
The cracks are widening. Wonder how much longer they can keep the lid on before it blows up in their face?
Beats me.
156 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:49:07am |
157 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:50:08am |
re: #152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My friend traded "Point of No Return" for "Toys in the Attic" when I was 11. No looking back.
158 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:50:38am |
The Kid has the sniffles so no school for him today. Gotta' go tend to him. Maybe I'll get him back to sleep.
160 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:50:50am |
re: #156 thedopefishlives
I felt that one all the way over here.
*rubs butt* Damn Mandy, have you considered a career in Major League Baseball?
161 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:51:36am |
re: #158 MandyManners
The Kid has the sniffles so no school for him today. Gotta' go tend to him. Maybe I'll get him back to sleep.
Ear ache my eye!!!
162 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:52:59am |
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
What Does the Detroit Bomber Know?
The president's job is not detecting bombs at the airport but neutralizing terrorists before they get there.Well-deserved mockery has already been heaped on the move-along-folks-nothing-to-see-here tone of the administration's initial pronouncements—from Janet Napolitano's "the system worked," to President Obama's statement that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was an "isolated extremist." This week brought little improvement.
The president acknowledged that the plot had been hatched in Yemen, but not without adding the misleading statement that Yemen faces "crushing poverty and deadly insurgencies." That Yemenis have to cope with "crushing poverty" is irrelevant here. Abdulmutallab is the son of a wealthy Nigerian banker. Other jihadists, including the physician who blew himself up and killed seven CIA agents in Afghanistan last week, and indeed the millionaire Osama bin Laden, prove that poverty does not beget terrorists.
.......
Holding Abdulmutallab for a time in military custody, regardless of where he is ultimately to be charged, would have been entirely lawful—even in the view of the current administration, which has taken the position that it needs no further legislative authority to hold dangerous detainees even for a lengthy period in the United States. Then we could decide at relative leisure where to charge him—whether before a military commission or before a civilian court.
163 | Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:54:24am |
164 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:55:10am |
re: #163 Bubblehead II
That's thinking with your dipstick!
165 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:55:55am |
Regardless of my Avatar, I don't really drink a bunch. Today might be an exception.
166 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:56:35am |
re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar
Regardless of my Avatar, I don't really drink a bunch. Today might be an exception.
If I were a drinking man, today would be a good day for it. Seven degrees and frickin' snowing.
167 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:57:19am |
re: #157 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm not a big Aerosmith fan. Although "Dream On" and "Walk this Way" are two of the greatest songs ever recorded.
Just don't particularly like the rest of their body of work.
168 | Obdicut Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:57:22am |
re: #162 RogueOne
An assertion that something would be perfectly lawful is not the same thing as it actually being perfectly lawful.
170 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:58:43am |
re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm not a big Aerosmith fan. Although "Dream On" and "Walk this Way" are two of the greatest songs ever recorded.
Just don't particularly like the rest of their body of work.
This song sucks. Don't listen.
171 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:59:15am |
re: #163 Bubblehead II
She might also want to think about replacing this guy.
[Video]
172 | SasyMomaCat Thu, Jan 7, 2010 5:59:29am |
Mornin', all - no time to catch up this a.m. (busier than a one-legged man in a butt kicking contest and multitasking in about three areas, counting this one), but wanted to say "hi." I see we hit the 8 mil comment mark! Woohoo!!!
How is everyone this morning?
174 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:00:41am |
re: #168 Obdicut
An assertion that something would be perfectly lawful is not the same thing as it actually being perfectly lawful.
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
The federal appeals court in Washington, D.C., noted that all of his arguments "rely heavily on the premise that the war powers granted by the AUMF (Authorization for Use of Military Force) and other statutes are limited by the international laws of war."
"This premise is mistaken," Judge Janice Rogers Brown wrote. "The international laws of war ... have not been implemented domestically by Congress and are therefore not a source of authority for U.S. courts." She added that the laws of war are "by nature contestable and fluid," and that the president has the power to "exceed those bounds."
Turning to domestic law, she said al-Bihani fit the government's definition of legal detainees as those who "substantially support" enemy forces. Anyone subject to a military commission trial is subject to detention, Brown added, including those who are "part of forces associated with al-Qaida or the Taliban or those who purposefully and materially support such forces in hostilities against U.S. Coalition partners."
......
The court also rejected al-Bihani's claim that the government needed to prove the charges against him on "clear and convincing evidence," rather than the more lenient "preponderance of evidence" standard. The government need only satisfy the lower burden in defending "a wartime detention -- where national security interests are at their zenith and the rights of the alien petitioner at their nadir," the court ruled.
In other words, we can hold him as long as we choose.
175 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:00:42am |
176 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:00:47am |
re: #172 SasyMomaCat
There's usually a hullaballo. Did I miss the hullaballo?
177 | SasyMomaCat Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:02:02am |
re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The hullaballo was in the previous thread (saw the title, didn't get to enjoy the celebration yet)
178 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:03:42am |
They believe that the Haqqani network, which controls the area around Khost where the bombing occurred on Dec 30, authorised if not aided the Jordanian double agent who carried out the deadliest attack on the US spy agency for 30 years.
Michael Scheuer, the former head of the CIA unit tracking bin Laden, said: "There is no way this operation would have occurred in Khost without the knowledge and active support of Jalaluddin Haqqani and/or his son.
"They and their organisation own the area and nothing occurs that would impact their tribe or its allies without their knowledge or OK.
SNIP
179 | Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:04:45am |
re: #171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The swish of the dipstick sounds more painful.
180 | jdog29 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:05:34am |
as only Queen Ann can word it...
181 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:05:52am |
re: #174 RogueOne
I should have quoted the very first paragraph:
The international laws of war do not limit the U.S. government's power to detain suspected terrorists or their supporters at Guantanamo Bay, the D.C. Circuit ruled in a decision meant to "narrow the legal uncertainty that clouds military detention."
A pdf of the ruling is at the bottom of the page:
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
182 | Obdicut Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:06:48am |
re: #174 RogueOne
I'm sorry, but since this person was arrested for a specific crime, not military action, I don't see how that applies. It also is not a situation where I would be comfortable with the state having that level of power, either.
In unrelated news, here's a hilarious and terrifying thread about the experiences of ER doctors with dumb, crazy, or altered patients.
[Link: forums.studentdoctor.net...]
183 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:06:53am |
Officials from the Transport Security Administration discovered Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's name on the Customs and Border Protection database after he boarded his Northwest flight in Amsterdam and were waiting to question him upon landing in Detroit, according to senior law enforcement officials.
The disclosure appears to show US intelligence was close to uncovering the terrorist plot, despite the barrage of criticism it has come under since Abdulmutallab, 23, failed to detonate a bomb aboard a Northwest airliner on Christmas Day.
SNIP
184 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:07:01am |
I have to go to the CCA ranch for a day. Not gonna mow the yard though. At least, I think not. See ya'll tomorrow!!
185 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:09:12am |
re: #182 Obdicut
he was picked up, classified as a military detainee, and sent to gitmo for "supplying material support" and being a member of al-queda. The president has all the authority he needs to have done the same thing for the pantie bomber.
186 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:09:59am |
re: #183 MandyManners
I read they were waiting for the plane to land to talk to him. How's that for shitty timing.
187 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:11:56am |
The fighting took place in Lal Chowk, the main business centre at the heart of Srinagar, Kashmir's summer capital, and fighting was continuing, police said.
"One or two militants are believed to be hiding in a hotel in Lal Chowk and they are lobbing grenades and firing intermittently," a police officer told Reuters
.
SNIP
188 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:12:19am |
re: #186 RogueOne
I read they were waiting for the plane to land to talk to him. How's that for shitty timing.
Ever heard of the barn door?
189 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:12:30am |
[Link: www.steelheadstudio.com...]
The 100 game cupcake game.....there are some really cool cupcakes...
190 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:13:42am |
re: #12 freetoken
Well, I see that PJM has gone to the devil himself, so to speak, in their quest for AGW-denialism. Tonight they posted a short (and absurd) essay by Joseph Bast, president of the Heartland Institute, one of the main organs of AGW science denialism (along with tobacco carcinogen denial, etc.)
One sentence? Wow. :))
191 | Obdicut Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:13:57am |
re: #185 RogueOne
That guy was picked up in Afghanistan, working with Taliban forces.
I'm not sure why you think the two are very similar.
192 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:15:32am |
re: #191 Obdicut
Oh I don't know, maybe because he said he was a member of al-queda and tried to blow his shorts up on an airplane?
193 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:16:45am |
The New Year's day attack raised new doubts over the pro-American government's efforts to contain Taliban militants.
Here are some possible scenarios as President Asif Ali Zardari faces mounting pressure from militants who appear to have adopted a new strategy of bombing large crowds in their bid to destabilise the country.
Big attacks against civilians would anger Pakistanis, most of whom reject the Taliban's ideology and violent methods. That was evident on Monday after a suicide bomber blew himself up among thousands of Shi'ite Muslims at a religious festival.The attack in the commercial capital Karachi killed 43 people, and triggered riots which destroyed hundreds of buildings. A call for a strike to protest violence was observed by the public, a sign that the Taliban strategy could backfire.
Much will depend on the mood of Pakistanis. It's a complex issue. For instance, many were enraged last year after a video of Taliban militants flogging a young woman was circulated.
At the same time Zardari's close ties with Washington have deeply disappointed Pakistanis. U.S. drone missile attacks on militants on Pakistani soil, as well as a conditional U.S. aid package, have infuriated people who see it as a humiliating violation of sovereignty.
SNIP
194 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:16:46am |
re: #191 Obdicut
C'mon now. You know there isn't any argument over whether the president has the authority to classify this guy as a military detainee and toss him in gitmo. The only argument is if he should have, not if he can.
195 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:18:09am |
re: #33 Cannadian Club Akbar
We have talked about that show. Usually, it takes a while for things to get rolling. Look at early Seinfeld. It pretty much sucked.
OHHHH Shut your mouth! Seinfeld NEVAH sucked! ///
196 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:19:18am |
re: #35 UncleSam
It's weird how Portland has become a hippie hangout, because they used to be conservative politically and economically, but liberal, socially.
Now it's all liberal everything.
Kind of like California.
Which is pretty much totally screwed by the leftist takeover and rigging of the entire government and electoral system.
Yeah well you can't trust THEM.
/
197 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:19:51am |
198 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:19:55am |
Pakistan's portion of the divided Kashmir region had long been free of Islamist militant violence but there have been several attacks there over the past year.
The latest attack took place near the town of Rawalakot when cadets were going to school.
"It has yet to be determined whether it was a suicide bombing or a planted bomb," Javed Iqbal, chief of police in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, told Reuters.
Late last month, five people were killed in a suicide attack outside a Shi'ite Muslim meeting hall during Ashura, the Shi'ite calender's biggest event, in Muzaffarabad, capital of Pakistani Kashmir.
The violence in Kashmir has fuelled concern that the militants are trying to expand their campaign of violence in retaliation for a military offensive in their South Waziristan bastion on the Afghan border.
Hundreds of people have been killed in a wave of bomb attacks across Pakistan since the offensive in South Waziristan was launched in mid-October.
SNIP
199 | Obdicut Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:20:28am |
re: #192 RogueOne
Sure. Which is really different than working with Taliban fighting forces in Afghanistan.
There are things that are similar, definitely. There are also things that are clearly very, very different.
re: #194 RogueOne
No, I don't know that. I am not a lawyer of any sort, and I do not see how the authority to detain people who were fighting against us on a foreign battlefield gives the ability to detain people who were attempting to commit a terrorist act here in the US. One seems much more reasonable than the other, to me.
I am also unsure as to what benefit you feel having him as a military prisoner would bring.
200 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:21:13am |
Trolls are intimately associated with Darwinian evolution.
Beware of Trolls!
Just a drive-by post top wish everyone a Great Day!
201 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:21:18am |
If anyone is pre-planning your summer vacation:
Danish tourism board produces video marketing Denmark as a country with drunk women who have unprotected sex with random tourists.
[Link: www.boingboing.net...]
202 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:21:32am |
re: #197 reine.de.tout
Somehow, I don't really find that to be particularly comforting.
But, but, but...the system worked!
203 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:22:09am |
re: #40 Cannadian Club Akbar
Biscuits and gravy. If you never had it, thank yourself. If you have heard of it, ya better learn to make it. Actually it is sausage gravy. Like nothin' you have had. Yummie!!!
Oh yes now you are talking. Serve with two sunny side up eggs and then go to the emergency room for your impending heart attack.
Worth it for sure :)))
204 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:24:14am |
re: #46 Slumbering Behemoth
I'll take grits with bacon and pepper, if it's all the same to you. :)
No law against eating them all at once :))
205 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:26:13am |
Good Morning Lizards!
We are in the middle of a pretty bad snow storm.. I'm working from home this morning in my PJ's..
206 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:26:45am |
re: #205 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
We are in the middle of a pretty bad snow storm.. I'm working from home this morning in my PJ's..
In bed.
Mornin', HH!
207 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:26:51am |
re: #201 RogueOne
If anyone is pre-planning your summer vacation:
Danish tourism board produces video marketing Denmark as a country with drunk women who have unprotected sex with random tourists.
[Link: www.boingboing.net...]
Now, how to convince the Mrs Fish... /
208 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:26:54am |
re: #61 bloodnok
Barbaric!! Those fliers have sharp corners!!
/left
Papercuts everywhere! Oh the humanity!!
209 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:27:44am |
210 | ryannon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:28:19am |
re: #167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm not a big Aerosmith fan. Although "Dream On" and "Walk this Way" are two of the greatest songs ever recorded.
Just don't particularly like the rest of their body of work.
Exactly my feelings as well. But this one has some pretty decent dramatic intensity. As close to opera as we'll ever come, I suppose:
211 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:28:31am |
re: #205 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
We are in the middle of a pretty bad snow storm.. I'm working from home this morning in my PJ's..
Mornin, Hoops. Wish we'd have gotten that kind of snow, but instead, it's supposed to be pretty wimpy. Still enough to bring out the Idiot Brigade and make my drive to work miserable, though.
212 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:29:23am |
Morning Lizards.
Also watch for weapons of moss destruction.
213 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:29:49am |
By 2008 that figure had dropped to just 38, figures obtained by the Conservatives show.
The decline covers the period that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian who tried to blow up a plane over Detroit on Christmas Day, was studying in London.
There is also growing outrage over plans by Islamic extremists to stage a march through Wootton Bassett, the Wiltshire town renowned for honouring British servicemen killed in Afghanistan.
The Tories repeated their calls for the group, Islam4UK, which is led by Anjem Choudary, to be banned.
SNIP
214 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:31:33am |
Stupid question time - where is the counter that shows the total number of posts? I couldn't find it last night.
215 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:31:56am |
This sux. I walked out the front door of my shop just in time for a gust of wind to blow 3" of snow off my canopy and down on my head. I'm soaking wet and freezing.
216 | SasyMomaCat Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:33:20am |
just can't keep up this morning going back and forth - hope to catch you all later :)
May your day be fabulous!
217 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:33:29am |
re: #215 RogueOne
This sux. I walked out the front door of my shop just in time for a gust of wind to blow 3" of snow off my canopy and down on my head. I'm soaking wet and freezing.
I wish I caught that on camera...
How is the storm hitting you up there? I'm working from home
218 | Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:33:31am |
re: #214 Mad Al-Jaffee
Left side bar, under statistics.
219 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:33:48am |
re: #214 Mad Al-Jaffee
Stupid question time - where is the counter that shows the total number of posts? I couldn't find it last night.
Look for 'Statistics' just above the LGF calendar on the left.
220 | laZardo Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:33:52am |
re: #212 Mad Al-Jaffee
Morning Lizards.
Also watch for weapons of moss destruction.
Meanwhile, in Peanuts... startin' em in politics young.
221 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:35:40am |
re: #217 HoosierHoops
I wish I caught that on camera...
How is the storm hitting you up there? I'm working from home
It's coming down steady but not too bad. Maybe 2-3 inches so far.
222 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:36:03am |
The report, citing a statement by Tehran's revolutionary Court, did not identify the detainees or the date of their trials but the charge of 'moharebeh' -- an Islamic term meaning warring against God -- carries the death sentence.
SNIP
223 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:36:30am |
re: #94 MandyManners
SNIP
This would be a bad thing?
I can hear the Israelis laughing their asses off right now./
224 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:37:46am |
re: #217 HoosierHoops
I wish I caught that on camera...
How is the storm hitting you up there? I'm working from home
I'll trade you your snow for my cold. Apparently, the low down here in the flatlands is supposed to be on the order of -10 degrees F tonight and closer to -20 degrees F tomorrow night.
225 | jdog29 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:40:04am |
the latest nontroversy of the day
people upset about this are so well off they have nothing else to complain about and must invent something.
226 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:40:21am |
re: #221 RogueOne
It's coming down steady but not too bad. Maybe 2-3 inches so far.
I sure miss California...I'm not adjusted to Indiana Weather yet.
At least if you want snow in California you can drive to Tahoe
227 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:41:15am |
re: #226 HoosierHoops
I sure miss California...I'm not adjusted to Indiana Weather yet.
At least if you want snow in California you can drive to Tahoe
Funny, that. I'd take Indiana weather any day over this. 25 mph winds at a -40 wind chill are just plain no fun.
228 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:42:03am |
re: #227 thedopefishlives
Funny, that. I'd take Indiana weather any day over this. 25 mph winds at a -40 wind chill are just plain no fun.
Holy crap! Tell Santa I said hi!
229 | gregb Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:43:11am |
Drudge sirens going off. Apparently he's got some scoop on healthcare debate. He hasn't posted the story yet, just the flashing light.
230 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:43:14am |
231 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:43:43am |
re: #225 jdog29
the latest nontroversy of the day
people upset about this are so well off they have nothing else to complain about and must invent something.
The Census folks are right that some older African-American folks prefer "negro". Maybe the younger ones need to get their knickers untwisted.
232 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:44:22am |
re: #226 HoosierHoops
I sure miss California...I'm not adjusted to Indiana Weather yet.
At least if you want snow in California you can drive to Tahoe
Like dopefish said, it could be worse. I spent a couple years in the dakotas and haven't complained about an Indiana winter since. The only thing that bothers me around here is people seem to forget how to drive in snow from one year to the next.
233 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:45:24am |
re: #232 RogueOne
Like dopefish said, it could be worse. I spent a couple years in the dakotas and haven't complained about an Indiana winter since. The only thing that bothers me around here is people seem to forget how to drive in snow from one year to the next.
Heh, where I live, 1-2 inches is enough to cause fools to fender-bender all day long. :/
234 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:45:32am |
re: #124 reine.de.tout
I know - I hear this and I wonder - do people really think the world's Jews have that much power?
Apparently, people do think that. It's amazing.
Yeah well I am busy as hell. ////
235 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:45:44am |
re: #232 RogueOne
Like dopefish said, it could be worse. I spent a couple years in the dakotas and haven't complained about an Indiana winter since. The only thing that bothers me around here is people seem to forget how to drive in snow from one year to the next.
That tends to be true of most snow-receiving states. Heck, it took me twice as long to get in to work this morning as usual, just because there was a little snow on the road. You'd think Minnesotans, of all people, would be okay with this.
236 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:46:09am |
re: #232 RogueOne
Like dopefish said, it could be worse. I spent a couple years in the dakotas and haven't complained about an Indiana winter since. The only thing that bothers me around here is people seem to forget how to drive in snow from one year to the next.
True dat.. On the positive note..
1. working from home
2. ESPN on the Big Screen
3. A well stocked Beer fridge
4. LGF and all the great lizards
237 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:47:17am |
At some point in the parent/child dynamic roles seem to reverse, if one lives long enough.
Case in point:
Phone rings about dark-thirty yesterday. It is the Daughter,
"Hey Daddy. Can I talk to Mom?"
'Sure. Wait one' and I hand the phone over. I can hear one side of the conversation.
Wife, 'Yes, he has plenty of firewood on the porch, and more up the hill. He'll be okay...Don't worry so much, everything will be all right. Okay, bye now. Be careful on the road tomorrow.'
"What's up with that?" I ask.
'She's worried that you'll get to fooling around outside and hurt yourself and freeze to death before anyone notices that you're gone.'
At some point here I've become that guy. You know the one. The one without enough sense to come in out of the weather.
I wonder when that happened?
238 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:48:16am |
re: #131 Bubblehead II
Apparently.
NCTC director Michael Leiter remained on ski slopes after Christmas Day airline bombing attempt
Bet Napalitono is breathing a sigh of relief. They have someone to fire other than her./
239 | gregb Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:48:24am |
p.s. Kaam says the picture's from Ballona Creek in Marina Del Rey.
[Link: tinyurl.com...]
240 | Obdicut Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:49:11am |
re: #231 MandyManners
Uh.... I don't think that's very safe ground, Mandy. I don't think that a black guy who doesn't like having to check a box identifying himself as a 'negro' has his knickers in a twist.
242 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:49:48am |
243 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:51:40am |
re: #237 razorbacker
At some point in the parent/child dynamic roles seem to reverse, if one lives long enough.
Case in point:
Phone rings about dark-thirty yesterday. It is the Daughter,
"Hey Daddy. Can I talk to Mom?"
'Sure. Wait one' and I hand the phone over. I can hear one side of the conversation.
Wife, 'Yes, he has plenty of firewood on the porch, and more up the hill. He'll be okay...Don't worry so much, everything will be all right. Okay, bye now. Be careful on the road tomorrow.'
"What's up with that?" I ask.
'She's worried that you'll get to fooling around outside and hurt yourself and freeze to death before anyone notices that you're gone.'
At some point here I've become that guy. You know the one. The one without enough sense to come in out of the weather.
I wonder when that happened?
When you raised a good daughter.
244 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:52:30am |
245 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:52:55am |
re: #240 Obdicut
Uh... I don't think that's very safe ground, Mandy. I don't think that a black guy who doesn't like having to check a box identifying himself as a 'negro' has his knickers in a twist.
It might help if you were to actually read the article.
246 | Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:53:13am |
re: #238 Blueheron
Well since he was a Bush appointee, it of course has to be Bush's fault.
/need I?
247 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:54:40am |
re: #245 MandyManners
It might help if you were to actually read the article.
FTA:
In fact, Congress approved the form more than a year ago. Newark resident Jabbar Ali can't believe it.
So....it's bush's fault.//
248 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:54:55am |
re: #162 RogueOne
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Now that he is lawyered up the Justice Department gets to play 'make a deal' with him. :(
249 | Obdicut Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:55:04am |
re: #245 MandyManners
I did, Mandy.
Question #9 on the this year's census asks about your race. One of the boxes you can choose is "black," "African American," or "negro," all placed next to the same box. Ingram said it's not a word he uses to identify neither himself nor anybody else.
The words are all next to the same box. If he checks it, he's saying that word applies to him.
250 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:58:09am |
re: #243 MandyManners
When you raised a good daughter.
Maybe. Could be. Personally I lean towards the idea that she doesn't want anything to happen to me because then she'll be the one that has to care for her mother.
I'm probably too cynical. The woman is a fine person, and considering how poorly we raised her she is an exceptional child.
251 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:58:28am |
re: #194 RogueOne
C'mon now. You know there isn't any argument over whether the president has the authority to classify this guy as a military detainee and toss him in gitmo. The only argument is if he should have, not if he can.
Precisely.
252 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:58:54am |
Breaking News: VH1 reality show bus crashes in California causing major slut spill.
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
253 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jan 7, 2010 6:59:55am |
re: #249 Obdicut
I did, Mandy.
The words are all next to the same box. If he checks it, he's saying that word applies to him.
Where and when I grew up "Negro" was the polite term, if somewhat stiff (United Negro College Fund). "Black" was dismissive and insulting. We have got to stop focusing on language fads and start looking at intent and context.
254 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:00:01am |
re: #252 RogueOne
Breaking News: VH1 reality show bus crashes in California causing major slut spill.
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
I posted that one a couple of nights ago. That might be the first ONN story that features nudity (first one I've seen at least.)
255 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:00:10am |
re: #252 RogueOne
UH-OH Bad word at the very end of that video. didn't realize it. NSFW and all that.
256 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:00:31am |
Miami-Dade police said in a statement Thursday that 43-year-old Mansor Mohammad Asad of Toledo, Ohio, faces several charges including disorderly conduct.
SNIP
The Transportation Security Administration says three of his companions were taken off the plane and questioned. The plane departed after a search.
SNIP
257 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:01:04am |
re: #199 Obdicut
Sure. Which is really different than working with Taliban fighting forces in Afghanistan.
There are things that are similar, definitely. There are also things that are clearly very, very different.
re: #194 RogueOne
No, I don't know that. I am not a lawyer of any sort, and I do not see how the authority to detain people who were fighting against us on a foreign battlefield gives the ability to detain people who were attempting to commit a terrorist act here in the US. One seems much more reasonable than the other, to me.I am also unsure as to what benefit you feel having him as a military prisoner would bring.
He could be questioned longer under military rules. And he could still be released to civilian authoritys. As it is now he is lawyered up and playing make a deal.
258 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:01:15am |
re: #254 Mad Al-Jaffee
I posted that one a couple of nights ago. That might be the first ONN story that features nudity (first one I've seen at least.)
Then why didn't you warn me about the bad word at the end? It's all your fault.
259 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:01:23am |
re: #253 Decatur Deb
Where and when I grew up "Negro" was the polite term, if somewhat stiff (United Negro College Fund). "Black" was dismissive and insulting. We have got to stop focusing on language fads and start looking at intent and context.
I don't understand why the NAACP doesn't change their name since "Colored" is offensive.
260 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:02:35am |
re: #258 RogueOne
Then why didn't you warn me about the bad word at the end? It's all your fault.
I actually put "NSFW" in my post.
261 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:02:40am |
Somebody went to see "Young Frankenstein, The Musical" last night in DC. You here?
262 | Obdicut Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:02:41am |
re: #257 Blueheron
He gets a lawyer in military detention too, I believe.
263 | Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:03:10am |
Breaking News
St. Louis Police Respond to Workplace Shooting, Gunman on Loose
DEVELOPING: St. Louis police have responded to the scene of a workplace shooting at a power company where at least three people have been shot.
264 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:03:35am |
re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've read mixed (but mostly bad) reviews of it.
265 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:03:41am |
re: #215 RogueOne
This sux. I walked out the front door of my shop just in time for a gust of wind to blow 3" of snow off my canopy and down on my head. I'm soaking wet and freezing.
Ahhhhh.:((((
266 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:04:17am |
re: #262 Obdicut
He gets a lawyer in military detention too, I believe.
Only after the decision to charge him. He's entitled to contest his detention but they can continue to interrogate him as long as they want.
267 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:04:58am |
re: #259 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't understand why the NAACP doesn't change their name since "Colored" is offensive.
It has served them well. There is no sense in trying to keep up with words that flow in and out of favor with electronic speed. Words are not offensive, people are offensive.
268 | ryannon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:05:18am |
269 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:05:24am |
270 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:05:58am |
re: #268 ryannon
He's a fine musician. I wish we had another word for 'Mobys'.
How about "Boltons"? (Michael, not John)
271 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:06:02am |
re: #266 RogueOne
Only after the decision to charge him. He's entitled to contest his detention but they can continue to interrogate him as long as they want.
"I had the right to remain silent, but not the ability to do so."
272 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:06:03am |
re: #267 Decatur Deb
It has served them well. There is no sense in trying to keep up with words that flow in and out of favor with electronic speed. Words are not offensive, people are offensive.
Some words are offensive.
273 | albusteve Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:06:17am |
Democratic leaders have been promising the most ethical, transparent, open and engaged administration for years. Instead, they have delivered a bleak and creepy legislative environment that could double as a "Twilight" movie set.
an amendment with 42 amendments?
[Link: www.investors.com...]
274 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:06:41am |
275 | Obdicut Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:06:42am |
re: #266 RogueOne
We could gain that same benefit for a lot of civilian criminals, too, some who have committed terrible crimes. Should we do the same thing with them?
276 | Locker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:07:10am |
re: #253 Decatur Deb
Where and when I grew up "Negro" was the polite term, if somewhat stiff (United Negro College Fund). "Black" was dismissive and insulting. We have got to stop focusing on language fads and start looking at intent and context.
While it would be nice it seems common for people to be aware or care about their own context rather than the actual intent of the sender. Where and when I grew up using the word "Negro" to refer to someone of color would regularly lead to getting punched in the face.
In fact it's very, very common right here in LGF comments. Taking words out of context, deliberately misunderstanding in order to oppose or refusing the be corrected on a false assumption. Normally it's caused by a monumental chip on the shoulder of a person who's just waiting to be offended. They know it's gonna happen by gosh and they'll be ready to pounce, believe you me!
277 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:07:10am |
re: #256 MandyManners
They're oppressing his first amendment rights! I bet if he said that about Muslims he would have been moved to first class!
///// (moonbat mode)
278 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:07:28am |
279 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:07:41am |
280 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:08:44am |
re: #246 Bubblehead II
Well since he was a Bush appointee, it of course has to be Bush's fault.
/need I?
Of COURSE! The man is TOAST toast I tell you!
/
281 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:09:27am |
re: #272 Varek Raith
Some words are offensive.
Some words are so contaminated by history that they cannot be used without a high likelihood of offense. It's not inherent in the word.
282 | Locker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:10:48am |
re: #272 Varek Raith
Some words are offensive.
I'd be more inclined to agree if you replaced "words" with "concepts". Words are just letters and sounds. Our context and intent give them meaning.
283 | lawhawk Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:12:35am |
re: #231 MandyManners
Or maybe we should drop the question on race from the census form altogether - though the vested interests in keeping that question will keep that from happening. Money talks- and the census is instrumental in how money gets divided up by Congress (both in determining districts and various social programs).
The 2000 census form had the race question phrased in the same fashion as the 2010 form. The 1990 census form provided for black or negro as the choices (2000 added African American). So, perhaps it's time to drop negro from the form. I think we ought to be considering dropping the question altogether because race has done more to divide the nation than it has to bring it together.
284 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:12:37am |
Although he decided against filing charges, Mazuz is expected to appear at a hearing on the appeal regarding the matter in the Supreme Court, which was filed by representatives of the soldiers and bereaved families of the battle in Jenin as part of a civil suit.
"After comprehensively reviewing the issue, I have decided by force of my authority to attend the appeal on the district court's decision in the civil suit against Mohammed Bakri and take a stand according to which the court made a mistake in rejecting the slander lawsuit and that under the circumstances, the fighters have a personal right to file a lawsuit and that therefore their appeal should be granted," Mazuz wrote.
He further noted that he didn’t find grounds for taking criminal procedures against Bakri according to the slander prohibition law.
First screened in 2002, the documentary "Jenin Jenin" asserts that the IDF committed atrocious war crimes and deliberately slaughtered innocent civilians during Operation Defensive Shield in the West Bank town. Following the screening, the reservists filed suit for defamation against both Bakri and the cinematheques that screened his films to the tune of NIS 2.5 million ($660,000).
SNIP
285 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:13:09am |
Chief among our newly discovered 'rights' is the right not to be offended.
That's gonna be a toughie, that one is. 'Cause sooner or later I'm going to offend just about everyone that I meet.
Unless I just ignore ya altogether.
And geesh, what could possibly be more offensive than to be ignored?
286 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:13:12am |
It was MrSilverDragon...
I wouldn't trust a Mel Brooks review from anyone who I didn't know, much less a flipping professional Theater Reviewer.
I wanna hear if it is going to be worth traveling for.
287 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:13:39am |
re: #283 lawhawk
Does the Census also apportion legislative districts?
288 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:13:49am |
re: #285 razorbacker
How you been, btw? Haven't seen you around as much.
289 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:14:08am |
re: #285 razorbacker
Chief among our newly discovered 'rights' is the right not to be offended.
That's gonna be a toughie, that one is. 'Cause sooner or later I'm going to offend just about everyone that I meet.
Unless I just ignore ya altogether.
And geesh, what could possibly be more offensive than to be ignored?
Did someone say something?
290 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:14:37am |
291 | Locker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:15:28am |
292 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:15:40am |
re: #141 SteveC
I thought he was Iceweasel's new hubby...?
// That one, not that one!
/// Need a scorecard to keep up with everyone these days
Truth! Don't worry, people have misread Spare that way before.
(The use of 'arsehole' probably had something to do with that.)
re: #133 Spare O'Lake
We all know that Jimmah is a craven, anti-semitic, lying, whore.
Yes.
Spare, I'd like to respectfully request that you consider adding "C" to such comments when you mean "Jimmah C".
Otherwise some might start to think you're making such comments as a piece of iceweasel-bait on the morning threads, and out of a passive-aggressive attempt at some kind of retaliation.
Yes.
293 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:15:50am |
re: #283 lawhawk
Agree, though there might be a little residual medical or sociological value.
294 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:16:14am |
re: #262 Obdicut
He gets a lawyer in military detention too, I believe.
Yes he does but the rules governing interrogation are different.
295 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:17:07am |
re: #288 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How you been, btw? Haven't seen you around as much.
I've been fine, thank you very much.
I haven't been around much. Busy time of year for me. Hunting season, the holiday hoopla, and the general wear and tear of life have occupied much of my time.
296 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:17:12am |
re: #291 Locker
You owe me an apology. - Cole Oyl
"You owe me an apology."
Mr. Oyl (Olive Oyl's father) in "Popeye the Movie"
297 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:17:42am |
re: #295 razorbacker
You could just ignore the real world, ya know.
298 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:18:09am |
re: #294 Blueheron
Yes he does but the rules governing interrogation are different.
He's still not required to answer questions.
299 | CommonCents Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:18:22am |
I was called a Troll to my face once by a complete stranger while on vacation. Before I had an opportunity to sling a much more deragatory insult to the 'woman', my wife asked her for an explanantion. Apparently here in Michigan, anyone who lives south of the Mackinaw Bridge is considered a 'troll' by the 'yoopers' because we live below the bridge.
Although the upper pennisula of Michigan is quite beautiful, a lot of the year round inhabitants make me feel good that I am a troll.
I hope this doesn't get me banned from LGF.
300 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:18:44am |
re: #297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You could just ignore the real world, ya know.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own."
:)
301 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:19:19am |
re: #275 Obdicut
We could gain that same benefit for a lot of civilian criminals, too, some who have committed terrible crimes. Should we do the same thing with them?
No they are not people engaged in a war against us.
302 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:19:19am |
re: #296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"You owe me an apology."
Mr. Oyl (Olive Oyl's father) in "Popeye the Movie"
303 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:19:30am |
re: #205 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
We are in the middle of a pretty bad snow storm.. I'm working from home this morning in my PJ's..
Terrible accident last night on I-80, people returning from a wedding. A young woman and a 10-year-old boy killed, 66-year-old truck driver killed, father of the young boy is in a coma.
304 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:20:00am |
305 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:20:26am |
re: #275 Obdicut
We could gain that same benefit for a lot of civilian criminals, too, some who have committed terrible crimes. Should we do the same thing with them?
You don't see a difference between a u.s. citizen who commits a civil crime and a foreign member of a terrorist group trying to blow up a plane?
307 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:20:58am |
309 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:22:33am |
re: #236 HoosierHoops
Staying inside might be a pretty good idea today. I just walked across the street and it's slick out there. Nice layer of ice under the snow. That's something different that we get here that the dakotas don't have to deal with, we get a lot of ice.
310 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:23:14am |
re: #287 MandyManners
Does the Census also apportion legislative districts?
It triggers reapportionment by the state, IIRC.
311 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:23:23am |
re: #297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You could just ignore the real world, ya know.
Ah, yes. And I have tried, rest assured of that.
But will the real world ignore me? That is the question.
BTW, I actually thought of you during Christmas dinner. One of the nieces was forking a slice of ham onto her plate and caught me eyeing her (she's a vegetarian).
"Hey, I ain't no fanatic, you know." was her explanation.
312 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:23:29am |
re: #309 RogueOne
Staying inside might be a pretty good idea today. I just walked across the street and it's slick out there. Nice layer of ice under the snow. That's something different that we get here that the dakotas don't have to deal with, we get a lot of ice.
Sigh, and all the crap's moving east...
313 | Obdicut Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:23:50am |
re: #305 RogueOne
I do see a difference between them. I'm saying that the same benefit could be there-- the argument is that it would be highly beneficial to us to do so, and I'm saying it would be highly beneficial in many civilian cases as well. I'm wondering why the logic doesn't apply to them, and was hoping you'd explain.
314 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:24:43am |
re: #298 MandyManners
He's still not required to answer questions.
He isn't required to answer questions but they have a variety of methods to compel him to cooperate that would be completely illegal in a civilian scenario.
315 | lawhawk Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:24:57am |
re: #305 RogueOne
The system we have is set up based on issues of jurisdiction and venue, as well as subject matter.
Terrorists captured in the US can and should be tried under the federal court system (it's worked as it should, and those arrested are Mirandized and treated accordingly by law enforcement).
Terrorists captured overseas should be tried in tribunals precisely because they were not captured using law enforcement techniques and because many were captured on the battlefields around the world or with assistance of regimes that do not have civil liberties protections as we do. That would include KSM and his minions who could just as surely be tried in tribunals as in the federal courts as Holder and Obama deemed; and both admit that the tribunals will be used in other cases where the evidence is insufficient for use in federal court.
316 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:25:10am |
re: #298 MandyManners
He's still not required to answer questions.
Yep but he can sit at Gitmo until he decides he wnats to talk.
317 | Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:25:13am |
re: #259 Mad Al-Jaffee
They want to save the expense on having to change all their stationary and letterhead.
/
318 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:25:34am |
re: #309 RogueOne
Staying inside might be a pretty good idea today. I just walked across the street and it's slick out there. Nice layer of ice under the snow. That's something different that we get here that the dakotas don't have to deal with, we get a lot of ice.
The thing I love about Minnesota weather: When it gets cold enough, even the salted snow on the roads re-freezes into ice. Doubleplus ungood.
319 | albusteve Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:25:49am |
Witch-doctors reveal extent of child sacrifice in Uganda
Meanwhile, a former witch-doctor who now campaigns to end child sacrifice confessed for the first time to having murdered about 70 people, including his own son.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
320 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:26:18am |
re: #282 Locker
I'd be more inclined to agree if you replaced "words" with "concepts". Words are just letters and sounds. Our context and intent give them meaning.
Good enough that it should be repeated....
321 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:28:42am |
re: #311 razorbacker
Funny. I have friends and relatives who knew me before and don't believe for one minute that I don't sneak through Wendy's and get a triple with extra meat on it.
They are just sure that I cheat. I would not consider it cheating. I would consider it being, "I am not a vegetarian anymore."
323 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:29:36am |
re: #315 lawhawk
The system we have is set up based on issues of jurisdiction and venue, as well as subject matter.
Terrorists captured in the US can and should be tried under the federal court system (it's worked as it should, and those arrested are Mirandized and treated accordingly by law enforcement).
Terrorists captured overseas should be tried in tribunals precisely because they were not captured using law enforcement techniques and because many were captured on the battlefields around the world or with assistance of regimes that do not have civil liberties protections as we do. That would include KSM and his minions who could just as surely be tried in tribunals as in the federal courts as Holder and Obama deemed; and both admit that the tribunals will be used in other cases where the evidence is insufficient for use in federal court.
What do you think of KSM being tried in New York? At a cost of 260 million dollars for security alone no less.
324 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:29:56am |
re: #314 RogueOne
He isn't required to answer questions but they have a variety of methods to compel him to cooperate that would be completely illegal in a civilian scenario.
What if his attorney objects? According to those held under the UCMJ, a suspect has the right to an attorney during questioning.
325 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:30:31am |
re: #321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Funny. I have friends and relatives who knew me before and don't believe for one minute that I don't sneak through Wendy's and get a triple with extra meat on it.
They are just sure that I cheat. I would not consider it cheating. I would consider it being, "I am not a vegetarian anymore."
I stopped eating red meat, and the mere smell of it make my stomach churn in unpleasant ways.
326 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:31:55am |
re: #319 albusteve
Witch-doctors reveal extent of child sacrifice in Uganda
Meanwhile, a former witch-doctor who now campaigns to end child sacrifice confessed for the first time to having murdered about 70 people, including his own son.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Oh that is horrible.
327 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:32:26am |
re: #325 Varek Raith
I stopped eating red meat, and the mere smell of it make my stomach churn in unpleasant ways.
I tried eating a Wendy's burger once. Gross crap. They do have a nice salad for a fast food joint..
328 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:33:21am |
re: #327 HoosierHoops
Surprisingly good, as a matter of fact.
329 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:34:07am |
re: #327 HoosierHoops
I tried eating a Wendy's burger once. Gross crap. They do have a nice salad for a fast food joint..
I used to like Wendys a lot more, but somewhere over the past decade or so they've become unpalatable to me. If I have to have a fast food burger I'll go with BK. Though McDonalds has the best fries.
330 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:34:37am |
Chicago Police may scrap entrance exam
Dropping the exam would bolster minority hiring and avert legal battles, according to one source, while others confirm that the exam could be scrapped to open the process to as many people as possible.
331 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:35:46am |
332 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:36:15am |
re: #329 JasonA
I used to like Wendys a lot more, but somewhere over the past decade or so they've become unpalatable to me. If I have to have a fast food burger I'll go with BK. Though McDonalds has the best fries.
Elect me President and I promise a Basketball in every pot and all fast food joints are nuked within 72 hours....And you'll be able to watch it in real time on C-Span.. Trust me...
333 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:36:58am |
re: #321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Funny. I have friends and relatives who knew me before and don't believe for one minute that I don't sneak through Wendy's and get a triple with extra meat on it.
They are just sure that I cheat. I would not consider it cheating. I would consider it being, "I am not a vegetarian anymore."
It's funny how many people are convinced of that about vegetarians they know. But I remember meeting people who described themselves as vegetarian or even 'mostly vegan' and after discussion it turned out that they just avoided red meat. What?
re: #325 Varek Raith
I stopped eating red meat, and the mere smell of it make my stomach churn in unpleasant ways.
I get that. I was only vegetarian for a couple of years and I still can't handle the red meat. Although I did cook a steak for Jimmah recently. The things we do for love!
334 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:36:59am |
re: #332 HoosierHoops
Elect me President and I promise a Basketball in every pot and all fast food joints are nuked within 72 hours...And you'll be able to watch it in real time on C-Span.. Trust me...
Just let me try Sonic once before you go nuclear.
335 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:37:27am |
re: #332 HoosierHoops
Elect me President and I promise a Basketball in every pot and all fast food joints are nuked within 72 hours...And you'll be able to watch it in real time on C-Span.. Trust me...
Uhhh...wouldn't nuking all fast food joints cause a bit of... collateral damage?
///:P
336 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:38:11am |
re: #333 iceweasel
I'm still laughing at that "best coffee of my life" comment you said he made.
338 | lawhawk Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:38:32am |
re: #323 Blueheron
I've written extensively on the subject (both here and on my blog), and while I think tribunals were the better option, SDNY is the proper venue for trying them due to the institutional knowledge of prosecuting terror trials (their prosecutors have the most experience), NYC has the law enforcement capabilities to secure the facilities for the trials (largest police force in the nation), and it was the jurisdiction where the largest number of those murdered resident - it was where the most devastating of the attacks took place.
339 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:39:33am |
re: #335 Varek Raith
Uhhh...wouldn't nuking all fast food joints cause a bit of... collateral damage?
///:P
Yeah.. But what are you going to do?
*wink*
340 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:39:35am |
All right, 'm back for a very short while.
It snowed in my part of the world, the dogs like it.
What's up?
341 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:39:36am |
re: #333 iceweasel
I get that. I was only vegetarian for a couple of years and I still can't handle the red meat. Although I did cook a steak for Jimmah recently. The things we do for love!
Kind of hard to substitute TVP for steak to a meat eater, huh.
342 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:40:14am |
343 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:40:44am |
re: #335 Varek Raith
Uhhh...wouldn't nuking all fast food joints cause a bit of... collateral damage?
///:P
If you choose to allow fast food joints in your midst.....
344 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:40:53am |
re: #339 HoosierHoops
Yeah.. But what are you going to do?
*wink*
Well, in that case, get me a few days to get into the nearest Vault.
/hmmm Vault 101 is closest to my current location. :)
345 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:41:07am |
re: #315 lawhawk
....
Terrorists captured in the US can and should be tried under the federal court system (it's worked as it should, and those arrested are Mirandized and treated accordingly by law enforcement)......
This is where we disagree. The presidents responsibility as CiC is completely different than his role as civilian head of the justice dept. His obligation as commander-in-chief is to do what it takes to make sure those people picked up as terrorists are dealt with in a manner that maximizes our intelligence gathering. That's why the congress made sure he had that authority years ago. That isn't to say that everyone picked up should be sent to gitmo but in this instance (A) we caught a guy red-handed in the act and (B) there are questions we need answers to that we cannot get in a civilian court. Each case might be different but in this case our best bet to get those answers was to detain him in a military facility.
346 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:41:16am |
re: #325 Varek Raith
I stopped eating red meat, and the mere smell of it make my stomach churn in unpleasant ways.
I worked in a meat-packing plant one summer. For several years after I ordered only fruits and veggies when eating out.
Oddly enough, though, I've noticed that food-based illnesses seem now to involve non-meat items a lot.
You just never know who or what has has his or her hands on your food before it hits your plate.
347 | Irish Rose Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:42:16am |
Good morning, lizards.
Are we troll hunting today?
348 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:42:36am |
349 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:42:50am |
re: #346 razorbacker
I worked in a meat-packing plant one summer. For several years after I ordered only fruits and veggies when eating out.
Oddly enough, though, I've noticed that food-based illnesses seem now to involve non-meat items a lot.
You just never know who or what has has his or her hands on your food before it hits your plate.
Remember the problems with green onions a few years ago that came from Mexico because they didn't have adequate restrooms in the fields?
350 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:42:51am |
I've never eaten meat-born that way.
Some people are cool with it, others are just blown-away.
Don't drink either --not born that way.
People usually come to the conclusion that I am "different".
351 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:42:55am |
re: #347 Irish Rose
Nah, just waiting for you. How you doin?!
352 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:43:46am |
re: #347 Irish Rose
Good morning, lizards.
Are we troll hunting today?
Mornin', {Rose}. The game is afoot, now that you're here. The troll barbecue is lit, and I have a new blend of spices ready to season their gamey buttocks with.
353 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:44:09am |
354 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:44:12am |
re: #346 razorbacker
(snip)
You just never know who or what has has his or her hands on your food before it hits your plate.
Great old Mad Magazine cartoon had "Our Product Untouched by Human Hands" over a service line staffed by gorillas.
355 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:44:13am |
re: #338 lawhawk
I've written extensively on the subject (both here and on my blog), and while I think tribunals were the better option, SDNY is the proper venue for trying them due to the institutional knowledge of prosecuting terror trials (their prosecutors have the most experience), NYC has the law enforcement capabilities to secure the facilities for the trials (largest police force in the nation), and it was the jurisdiction where the largest number of those murdered resident - it was where the most devastating of the attacks took place.
Thanks for answering me. I appreciate it.
Osama said one of the reasons they attacked us was because our troops were on sacred Islamic soil.
I understand the feeling because I consider the soil of the USA sacred also. :(
It upsets me they are being tried within the lone gone shadows of the WTC.
356 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:44:24am |
re: #352 thedopefishlives
Mornin', {Rose}. The game is afoot, now that you're here. The troll barbecue is lit, and I have a new blend of spices ready to season their gamey buttocks with.
I'll help wit the preparation and serve everybody, but is there a non-meat option?
357 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:44:52am |
358 | Irish Rose Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:44:53am |
re: #352 thedopefishlives
Mornin', {Rose}. The game is afoot, now that you're here. The troll barbecue is lit, and I have a new blend of spices ready to season their gamey buttocks with.
Yay! Bring it.
359 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:45:02am |
re: #324 MandyManners
military detainees (enemy combatants) aren't being held under the authority of the UCMJ.
360 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:45:28am |
re: #319 albusteve
Witch-doctors reveal extent of child sacrifice in Uganda
Meanwhile, a former witch-doctor who now campaigns to end child sacrifice confessed for the first time to having murdered about 70 people, including his own son.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
How horrible! From your link:
The Ugandan government told us that human sacrifice is on the increase, and according to the head of the country's Anti-Human Sacrifice Taskforce the crime is directly linked to rising levels of development and prosperity, and an increasing belief that witchcraft can help people get rich quickly
No words. If you need a taskforce dedicated to eradicating human sacrifice, it's got to be widespread.
361 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:45:36am |
re: #353 Varek Raith
Didn't even have to click the link. ;)
/I gots me a Vertibird. :P
Heh. I used that mod for a bit. It seemed to like crashing my game, though.
362 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:46:10am |
re: #356 ggt
I'll help wit the preparation and serve everybody, but is there a non-meat option?
Trollfu
363 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:46:14am |
re: #356 ggt
I'll help wit the preparation and serve everybody, but is there a non-meat option?
I always provide vegetable packets on my grill. Potatoes and carrots come standard, you can add whatever else you want to it. Season, wrap in foil, and let them hang out on the top rack while the meat cooks. Delish.
364 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:46:38am |
re: #361 JasonA
Heh. I used that mod for a bit. It seemed to like crashing my game, though.
Yes, I replaced the car with one and....Welcome to Vault CTD.
/ah, well.
365 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:46:44am |
re: #360 iceweasel
No words. If you need a taskforce dedicated to eradicating human sacrifice, it's got to be widespread.
Damn Christians again I'll bet.
366 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:47:01am |
re: #356 ggt
I'll help wit the preparation and serve everybody, but is there a non-meat option?
I'll make the best salad.. I'll put every thing in it..Eggs, veggies, fruit, Blacken Chicken...
367 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:47:01am |
re: #363 thedopefishlives
I always provide vegetable packets on my grill. Potatoes and carrots come standard, you can add whatever else you want to it. Season, wrap in foil, and let them hang out on the top rack while the meat cooks. Delish.
I think eggplant is a good accompaniment to Troll.
368 | Blueheron Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:47:24am |
re: #345 RogueOne
This is where we disagree. The presidents responsibility as CiC is completely different than his role as civilian head of the justice dept. His obligation as commander-in-chief is to do what it takes to make sure those people picked up as terrorists are dealt with in a manner that maximizes our intelligence gathering. That's why the congress made sure he had that authority years ago. That isn't to say that everyone picked up should be sent to gitmo but in this instance (A) we caught a guy red-handed in the act and (B) there are questions we need answers to that we cannot get in a civilian court. Each case might be different but in this case our best bet to get those answers was to detain him in a military facility.
I agree with you and besides you say it better :)))
369 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:47:30am |
re: #346 razorbacker
I worked in a meat-packing plant one summer. For several years after I ordered only fruits and veggies when eating out.
Oddly enough, though, I've noticed that food-based illnesses seem now to involve non-meat items a lot.
You just never know who or what has has his or her hands on your food before it hits your plate.
I have a cousin who worked in a chicken plant decades ago and he still won't eat chicken.
371 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:47:44am |
re: #363 thedopefishlives
And now I'm making myself hungry. Dunno what I'm going to do for lunch, as it's still snowing.
372 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:47:53am |
re: #365 Walter L. Newton
Damn Christians again I'll bet.
No, I think the Christians just want to kill the gays.
373 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:48:03am |
374 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:48:04am |
re: #363 thedopefishlives
I liked to do peppers and onions on a grill wok. Just a little salt, pepper and olive oil. A few minutes over the charcoal, and a few stirs makes an excellent side dish.
375 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:48:21am |
Time to go,
Have a Great Day Lizards!
376 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:48:23am |
re: #349 MandyManners
Remember the problems with green onions a few years ago that came from Mexico because they didn't have adequate restrooms in the fields?
I have a vague memory of that. I seem to recall that initially the problem was thought to be meat related.
I'll not guesstimate the chain involved, since I really don't remember. I think it was a fast-food operation, though.
377 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:48:38am |
re: #360 iceweasel
No words. If you need a taskforce dedicated to eradicating human sacrifice, it's got to be widespread.
IIRC wasn't there a witch burning problem a few years ago running through Africa?
378 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:49:04am |
I posted something about this last night but not the actual article. Nader's answer to Atlas Shrugged reviewed in reason.
379 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:49:21am |
380 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:49:38am |
re: #374 Mad Al-Jaffee
I liked to do peppers and onions on a grill wok. Just a little salt, pepper and olive oil. A few minutes over the charcoal, and a few stirs makes an excellent side dish.
That's another good way to do it. The foil-packet system is a holdover from my Boy Scout days, when we'd do "hobo dinners" over an open fire - hamburger meat, potatoes, carrots, liberally salt and pepper, wrap them tightly and throw them in the fire. Turn every 10 min or so until done.
381 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:49:57am |
re: #365 Walter L. Newton
Damn Christians again I'll bet.
It does point out once again just how shitty the NYT's coverage of American evangelicals' involvement with Uganda's death penalty for homosexuals was, and how those evangelicals absolutely knew what they were doing when they exported their theocratic and murderous agenda there, yes.
383 | Irish Rose Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:51:39am |
Paid a visit to the stalker site this morning, boring as hell... same old tune.
384 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:51:55am |
385 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:52:25am |
re: #369 RogueOne
I have a cousin who worked in a chicken plant decades ago and he still won't eat chicken.
It's not the chicken. It's the speed of the processing line. Without going into gory specifics, it is hard to avoid fecal contamination with the line moving as fast as it does.
Now that yardbird that Granny snatched up and wrung it's neck then served you for Sunday dinner is most likely okay.
386 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:52:37am |
re: #376 razorbacker
I have a vague memory of that. I seem to recall that initially the problem was thought to be meat related.
I'll not guesstimate the chain involved, since I really don't remember. I think it was a fast-food operation, though.
IIRC, it wasn't a fast-food chain issue. Green onions from Mexico were pulled from all shelves.
387 | Decatur Deb Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:52:40am |
Gotta get some work done before the weather hits. (Still laying shingles, FBV. Sends regards.) BBL.
388 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:52:47am |
389 | Irish Rose Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:52:50am |
re: #380 thedopefishlives
That's another good way to do it. The foil-packet system is a holdover from my Boy Scout days, when we'd do "hobo dinners" over an open fire - hamburger meat, potatoes, carrots, liberally salt and pepper, wrap them tightly and throw them in the fire. Turn every 10 min or so until done.
I remember those.
I also remember making hobo pies.
390 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:52:57am |
re: #368 Blueheron
Lawhawk is looking at it through a legal prism and I understand that especially since that is his background. I look at things through the standpoint of Intelligence gathering and the presidents role as commander-in-chief because that's my background. I think Lawhawk has well written and thought out opinions but the starting points for our arguments are completely different.
391 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:54:00am |
re: #386 MandyManners
IIRC, it wasn't a fast-food chain issue. Green onions from Mexico were pulled from all shelves.
Chi-Chi's ended up shutting down over the e-coli onion plague they had going.
392 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:54:12am |
re: #377 RogueOne
IIRC wasn't there a witch burning problem a few years ago running through Africa?
Yes, but it's been an ongoing problem. Killgore had some links about it in the last few months.
BTW, some (though not all, I am sure) of those killings are done as part of an offshoot of an exported American fundamentalist church, the Assembly of God.
393 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:54:26am |
re: #385 razorbacker
It's not the chicken. It's the speed of the processing line. Without going into gory specifics, it is hard to avoid fecal contamination with the line moving as fast as it does.
Now that yardbird that Granny snatched up and wrung it's neck then served you for Sunday dinner is most likely okay.
Can't the problem be solved by the consumer in his/her kitchen by washing the chicken thoroughly and cooking it thoroughly?
394 | Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:54:31am |
re: #376 razorbacker
Quick Google indicates the 2006 E Coli outbreak in the northeast was green onions used at a Taco Bell.
The 2003 hepatitis outbreak caused by contaminated green onions was linked to the Chi-Chi's chain of Mexican restaurants (not a fast food chain). Chi-Chi's went under in 2004.
395 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:54:44am |
396 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:54:51am |
re: #391 RogueOne
Chi-Chi's ended up shutting down over the e-coli onion plague they had going.
No shit?
397 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:55:03am |
398 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:55:08am |
re: #388 JasonA
EW!!
Well, after my brother had 3 360's RROD on him in less than a year, I wasn't gonna take the chance on one. ;)
399 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:55:45am |
re: #386 MandyManners
IIRC, it wasn't a fast-food chain issue. Green onions from Mexico were pulled from all shelves.
Now I have Booker T. and the MG's stuck in my head. Which is a good thing.
400 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:55:49am |
re: #391 RogueOne
That's what happened to them? I liked their crappy version of Mexican food, too.
401 | Irish Rose Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:55:53am |
re: #395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
See why I don't go to other sites?
Hit 8,000,000 comments. I missed it.
Don't feel bad, I did too.
I was hip-deep in terminology.
402 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:56:13am |
re: #381 iceweasel
It does point out once again just how shitty the NYT's coverage of American evangelicals' involvement with Uganda's death penalty for homosexuals was, and how those evangelicals absolutely knew what they were doing when they exported their theocratic and murderous agenda there, yes.
And it also points out how the Ugandan people better start taking a little responsibility for themselves, along with their government, and start examining what good for their culture and what's not.
The anti-gay Christian folks are taking advantage of cultural memes, but the culture needs to take a second look at some things too. There has been a whole lot of internal Ugandan outrages to fuel enough fires without having outside agitators take advantage of the situation.
There is a lot of blame to go around.
403 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:56:16am |
re: #400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That's what happened to them? I liked their crappy version of Mexican food, too.
Me too. Used to be one of the family's favorite places to go on Sunday afternoons. Then they all just disappeared.
404 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:56:31am |
re: #398 Varek Raith
Well, after my brother had 3 360's RROD on him in less than a year, I wasn't gonna take the chance on one. ;)
Should've gotten FO for the PC. All I'm sayin'. :P
405 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:56:42am |
re: #401 Irish Rose
Don't feel bad, I did too.
I was hip-deep in terminology.
Charles won the 8,000,000th comment. :)
407 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:57:31am |
I don't think anyone here has been giving the Ugandans a free pass.
408 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:57:50am |
re: #404 JasonA
Should've gotten FO for the PC. All I'm sayin'. :P
Oh, I would've, had she not died a horrible PSU failure...Still can't afford a replacement I'd be happy with. :(
409 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:57:51am |
re: #383 Irish Rose
Paid a visit to the stalker site this morning, boring as hell... same old tune.
I stopped reading them..
1. They stopped coming up with inventive names to call me
2. They just can't get over it
3. Everybody that isn't a far right wingnut is a progressive
4. Beck is god meme
410 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:57:58am |
re: #391 RogueOne
From Wiki
Chi-Chi's was a popular Mexican restaurant chain from 1975 to 2004. It ceased to exist within the United States following a 2003 Hepatitis A outbreak that began at one of its locations in suburban Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Chi-Chi's is still in operation in Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Indonesia. Chi-Chi's also marketed a line of grocery foods (later purchased by Hormel) with an emphasis on salsa.
411 | Irish Rose Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:58:13am |
re: #405 Varek Raith
Charles won the 8,000,000th comment. :)
I can't think of a more deserving recipient.
412 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:58:20am |
re: #393 MandyManners
Can't the problem be solved by the consumer in his/her kitchen by washing the chicken thoroughly and cooking it thoroughly?
Now, now. Don't you sit there on your skinny behind and go spouting sense.
Next thing, you'll be expecting folks to save money for their own retirement or something.
What ever would our Nanny-Masters do with themselves then? Huh? Betcha didn't think of that, did you?
413 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:58:42am |
re: #392 iceweasel
Yes, but it's been an ongoing problem. Killgore had some links about it in the last few months.
BTW, some (though not all, I am sure) of those killings are done as part of an offshoot of an exported American fundamentalist church, the Assembly of God.
Like I said above, as outside agitation has been responsible for a lot of horrors, the Ugandans have fomented enough of their own internal outrages...
Respect for human rights in Uganda has been advanced significantly since the mid-1980s. There are, however, numerous areas which continue to attract concern.
Conflict in the northern parts of the country continues to generate reports of abuses by both the rebel Lord's Resistance Army and the Ugandan army. A UN official blamed the LRA in February 2009 of "appalling brutality" in the Democratic Republic of Congo.[35] The number of internally displaced persons is estimated at 1.4 million. Torture continues to be a widespread practice amongst security organizations. Attacks on political freedom in the country, including the arrest and beating of opposition Members of Parliament, has led to international criticism, culminating in May 2005 in a decision by the British government to withhold part of its aid to the country. The arrest of the main opposition leader Kizza Besigye and the besiegement of the High Court during a hearing of Besigye's case by a heavily armed security forces — before the February 2006 elections — led to condemnation.[36]
Recently, grassroots organizations have been attempting to raise awareness about the children who were kidnapped by the Lord's Resistance Army to work as soldiers or be used as wives. Thousands of children as young as eight were captured and forced to kill. The documentary film Invisible Children illustrates the terrible lives of the children, known as night commuters, who still to this day leave their villages and walk many miles each night to avoid abduction.[37]
The U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants reported several violations of refugee rights in 2007, including forcible deportations by the Ugandan government and violence directed against refugees.[31]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
It needs to stop, all of it.
414 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:59:06am |
re: #409 HoosierHoops
Meme-ries, light the corners of my mind...
415 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:59:13am |
re: #391 RogueOne
Chi-Chi's ended up shutting down over the e-coli onion plague they had going.
I once met a Mexican girl who told me that "chi chi" is slang for breast in Spanish. She was really confused when she first got to whatever city she arrived in here and saw a Chi Chi's across the street from a Hooter's.
416 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 7:59:41am |
re: #408 Varek Raith
Oh, I would've, had she not died a horrible PSU failure...Still can't afford a replacement I'd be happy with. :(
Really? They aren't that expensive. How many watts do you need?
417 | Irish Rose Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:00:10am |
re: #409 HoosierHoops
I stopped reading them..
1. They stopped coming up with inventive names to call me
2. They just can't get over it
3. Everybody that isn't a far right wingnut is a progressive
4. Beck is god meme
In a nutshell.
418 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:00:27am |
re: #416 JasonA
Really? They aren't that expensive. How many watts do you need?
Oh, by horrible, I mean it fried everything connected to it...:/
419 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:00:30am |
Chi-Chi's was founded in 1975 by restaurateur Marno McDermott and former Green Bay Packers player Max McGee.
Huh.
420 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:00:42am |
re: #402 Walter L. Newton
And it also points out how the Ugandan people better start taking a little responsibility for themselves, along with their government, and start examining what good for their culture and what's not.
The anti-gay Christian folks are taking advantage of cultural memes, but the culture needs to take a second look at some things too. There has been a whole lot of internal Ugandan outrages to fuel enough fires without having outside agitators take advantage of the situation.
There is a lot of blame to go around.
Uganda has had decades of virulent anti-gay sentiment and legislation even without Americans helping to fuel it, yes.
421 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:01:36am |
Secret Service Apprehend Naked Jogger Near Ellipse
Apparently he had a "suspicious package" on him.
422 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:02:23am |
re: #410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The closest chi-chi's to me sat empty for years. Finally a local bought it and turned it into a more authentic mexican style restaurant. Incredibly good food and dirt cheap. I go at least once a week to get one of their signature meals which is so big it takes 3 plates to bring out.
423 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:02:23am |
re: #421 Mad Al-Jaffee
Secret Service Apprehend Naked Jogger Near Ellipse
Apparently he had a "suspicious package" on him.
Nope, not gonna even try! :D
/
424 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:02:39am |
re: #415 Mad Al-Jaffee
I once met a Mexican girl who told me that "chi chi" is slang for breast in Spanish. She was really confused when she first got to whatever city she arrived in here and saw a Chi Chi's across the street from a Hooter's.
Didn't former Packer wide receiver Max Magee have something to do with founding Chi-Chi's? Or am I confused, as usual?
425 | badger1970 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:02:59am |
re: #415 Mad Al-Jaffee
Chi Chi's brings back memories of bad "Mexican" food and Max McGee. Go figure (of course this was in Madison, WI).
426 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:03:09am |
re: #409 HoosierHoops
I stopped reading them..
1. They stopped coming up with inventive names to call me
2. They just can't get over it
3. Everybody that isn't a far right wingnut is a progressive
4. Beck is god meme
Why would people be pissed at a good guy like you hoosier?
428 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:04:09am |
re: #418 Varek Raith
Oh, by horrible, I mean it fried everything connected to it...:/
Ohhhh... Makes me wonder if PSU warranties cover collateral damage like surge protectors do?
Very sorry to hear about your loss, though :(
429 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:04:15am |
re: #422 RogueOne
The closest chi-chi's to me sat empty for years. Finally a local bought it and turned it into a more authentic mexican style restaurant. Incredibly good food and dirt cheap. I go at least once a week to get one of their signature meals which is so big it takes 3 plates to bring out.
Sounds like the local Mexican joint. They have a family deal that my father-in-law would do whenever we went there as a family. It easily feeds 10 people at a sitting. The only problem is, about 50% of the time I go there, I wind up with some flavor of food poisoning. In fact, my first date with the Mrs. Fish was there, and it ended with me being mildly sick to my stomach.
430 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:04:22am |
re: #412 razorbacker
Now, now. Don't you sit there on your skinny behind and go spouting sense.
Next thing, you'll be expecting folks to save money for their own retirement or something.
What ever would our Nanny-Masters do with themselves then? Huh? Betcha didn't think of that, did you?
Maybe they'd get a job actually producing something.
431 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:04:51am |
re: #422 RogueOne
I live a few miles from an area called "Little Mexico." There's probably a dozen or more authentic Mexican and Salvadoran restaurants in the area. Plus a few Peruvian rotisserie chicken places. Great, cheap food.
432 | The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:05:13am |
Der Spiegel: In 1989 European intellectuals leaped to the defense of Salman Rushdie. Now, with furor over the Danish Mo-toons, they mainly leap for the tall grass.
433 | albusteve Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:06:01am |
re: #431 Mad Al-Jaffee
I live a few miles from an area called "Little Mexico." There's probably a dozen or more authentic Mexican and Salvadoran restaurants in the area. Plus a few Peruvian rotisserie chicken places. Great, cheap food.
I'm hooked on New Mexican...it's the chilis
434 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:06:53am |
re: #428 JasonA
Ohhh... Makes me wonder if PSU warranties cover collateral damage like surge protectors do?
Very sorry to hear about your loss, though :(
It didn't, I inquired. Damn freakiest cascade failure I've seen. Lots of blue smoke, crackling and smoke detectors going off. I didn't even get the chance to OC it...
/ah well, shit happens.
435 | Irish Rose Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:06:59am |
re: #429 thedopefishlives
Sounds like the local Mexican joint. They have a family deal that my father-in-law would do whenever we went there as a family. It easily feeds 10 people at a sitting. The only problem is, about 50% of the time I go there, I wind up with some flavor of food poisoning. In fact, my first date with the Mrs. Fish was there, and it ended with me being mildly sick to my stomach.
Must be the cilantro.
436 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:07:08am |
re: #432 The Sanity Inspector
Der Spiegel: In 1989 European intellectuals leaped to the defense of Salman Rushdie. Now, with furor over the Danish Mo-toons, they mainly leap for the tall grass.
Cowards.
437 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:07:10am |
Interesting story about a cocaine vaccine trial.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Scientists may have created a vaccine against cocaine addiction: a series of shots that changes the body's chemistry so that the drug can't enter the brain and provide a high.
The vaccine, called TA-CD, shows promise but could also be dangerous; some of the addicts participating in a study of the vaccine started doing massive amounts of cocaine in hopes of overcoming its effects, according to Thomas R. Kosten, the lead researcher on the study, which was published in the Archives of General Psychiatry in October.
"After the vaccine, doing cocaine was a very disappointing experience for them," said Kosten, a professor of psychiatry and neuroscience at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.
438 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:08:17am |
I'm listening to the radio, and it looks like yesterday evenings dusting of snow (maybe 2 inches the most, mostly in the Denver area, not so much up here in the mountains) has caused a snow pack that just won't go away with the rush hour this morning, because it was 16 below zero in Denver last night.
Even the morning cadre of cars running all over the highways has not really cleared much of the snow pack, it's just to darn cold.
I work 1-9 at the store tonight, at least I will have had some sun on the roads before I leave this morning, but I bet tonight it's going to turn back into a ice skating rink. It's not suppose to get out of the single digits anytime in the next 24 hours.
The big difference with this new job at the thrift store and my old job in regards to the weather, I could stay overnight at the theatre, our lobby furniture all turned into beds... if the winter weather was bad, we would just stay.
I don't think they will let me sleep on the used sofas.
439 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:09:17am |
re: #429 thedopefishlives
Sounds like the local Mexican joint. They have a family deal that my father-in-law would do whenever we went there as a family. It easily feeds 10 people at a sitting. The only problem is, about 50% of the time I go there, I wind up with some flavor of food poisoning. In fact, my first date with the Mrs. Fish was there, and it ended with me being mildly sick to my stomach.
I'd quit going before I wound up in the ER or even the ICU.
440 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:10:24am |
re: #430 MandyManners
Maybe they'd get a job actually producing something.
I saw somewhere a chart a few days ago that we now have more people 'employed' in government than we have employed in actual, productive private industry.
And, of course, since government pays much better than private industry and has better retirement, more time off, and job security the trend will likely continue.
441 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:10:31am |
re: #439 MandyManners
I'd quit going before I wound up in the ER or even the ICU.
Haven't been there in a couple of years, in fact. I love Mexican food, and I have a thing for spicy in general. (When I was in Ireland, I couldn't resist trying authentic Indian curry. Would do again.) But there's some things I just don't do, and food poisoning is one of them.
442 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:10:37am |
re: #426 RogueOne
Why would people be pissed at a good guy like you hoosier?
Ah heck..It's a story that goes back about a year..A lizard I considered a friend left here to go there and it really really pissed me off..
I called out alot of people and caused a mini war with those idiots...
It's water under the bridge..There is nothing or no one over there I care about and won't give them traffic....They can say anything they want...
I've been trash talked by better on the court...
Just a bitter bunch of children
443 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:10:40am |
re: #438 Walter L. Newton
Got any friends to let you sleep on their couch?
444 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:11:09am |
re: #440 razorbacker
I saw somewhere a chart a few days ago that we now have more people 'employed' in government than we have employed in actual, productive private industry.
And, of course, since government pays much better than private industry and has better retirement, more time off, and job security the trend will likely continue.
Are you kidding me?
445 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:11:45am |
re: #441 thedopefishlives
Haven't been there in a couple of years, in fact. I love Mexican food, and I have a thing for spicy in general. (When I was in Ireland, I couldn't resist trying authentic Indian curry. Would do again.) But there's some things I just don't do, and food poisoning is one of them.
It probably was the fresh stuff.
446 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:12:15am |
re: #429 thedopefishlives
Sounds like the local Mexican joint. They have a family deal that my father-in-law would do whenever we went there as a family. It easily feeds 10 people at a sitting. The only problem is, about 50% of the time I go there, I wind up with some flavor of food poisoning. In fact, my first date with the Mrs. Fish was there, and it ended with me being mildly sick to my stomach.
Didn't anyone ever warn you about what food is 1st date safe? All it takes is one little shart and she would have never given you a date #2. //
447 | Irish Rose Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:12:44am |
re: #441 thedopefishlives
I had Turkish kebob that was to die for, in Galway city.
448 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:12:52am |
re: #446 RogueOne
Didn't anyone ever warn you about what food is 1st date safe? All it takes is one little shart and she would have never given you a date #2. //
Ironically enough, it was her idea, as I was visiting from out of town.
449 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:12:52am |
450 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:14:48am |
Amiodarone - thankfully I was able to get off of this stuff!
However, if Satan had wanted to invent an antiarrhythmic drug, he would have invented amiodarone. There are at least three features of amiodarone that render it diabolical.
First, as mentioned, the drug is obviously far more effective than other antiarrhythmic drugs, and does not cause proarrhythmia. So on its face, like most entrapping vices, it spins a certain appeal, one that lures doctors into using it far more blithely than they should.
Second, amiodarone has bizarre pharmacokinetics. Before it becomes fully effective, amiodarone needs to completely saturate the tissues of the body. During this “loading period,” which is generally several weeks in duration, large doses are typically used. Once the drug is deemed to be loaded, a relatively small daily maintenance dose can be used. This is because amiodarone is not excreted from the body like most drugs are, by the kidneys or the liver. Instead, amiodarone likes to stay in the cells “forever,” and for practical purposes you get rid of it only through the normal shedding of your body’s cells, such as skin cells and gut cells. This means that once you are loaded with the stuff, it’s a part of you for a long, long time - just about forever. (Amiodarone can still be detected in the blood for at least a year after the last dose.) Once you are on amiodarone, you’re on it.
And third, amiodarone has a unique and disturbing toxicity profile. Because it is stored in essentially every organ of the body, its side effects can affect almost any organ.
451 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:16:11am |
re: #449 razorbacker
I wish that I were.
But I'm not.
How many are servicing the entitlement sector?
452 | abolitionist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:16:16am |
Please do not feed the trolls. (I suspect this pic was fauxtoshopped.)
453 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:16:23am |
re: #434 Varek Raith
It didn't, I inquired. Damn freakiest cascade failure I've seen. Lots of blue smoke, crackling and smoke detectors going off. I didn't even get the chance to OC it...
/ah well, shit happens.
To add insult to injury, none of the individual warranties I had save one were honored, the hard drive. Fought for a month trying to convince the others that I'd done nothing to violate the warranties. Failed, I did.
454 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:16:39am |
re: #443 MandyManners
Got any friends to let you sleep on their couch?
in bed.
no, wait... that doesn't work...
455 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:16:57am |
re: #443 MandyManners
Got any friends to let you sleep on their couch?
Nope. You know the area, I went from working in Golden, to working a little further down (south) the front range and a little east. That will give you a general idea. It's just about the same milage as going from here to Golden, and actually once I get down the canyon, I can take the last 5 miles or so on city streets if I want to make it to the store. Getting to Golden, I was just about forced to take a really nasty interstate, and in icy weather, it was scary.
Location wise, this is a safer drive in this kind of weather.
456 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:18:40am |
re: #455 Walter L. Newton
I'm working from home because of snow...
Be safe Walter
457 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:18:51am |
re: #453 Varek Raith
To add insult to injury, none of the individual warranties I had save one were honored, the hard drive. Fought for a month trying to convince the others that I'd done nothing to violate the warranties. Failed, I did.
Oy. I suppose they could just argue that their product wasn't at fault, and they'd be right.
458 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:19:18am |
re: #455 Walter L. Newton
I'd call the store to see if they would let you crash on a couch.
459 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:19:58am |
re: #452 abolitionist
Please do not feed the trolls. (I suspect this pic was fauxtoshopped.)
No, I read about that little critter. Got him in a zoo in China. Well, a little amendment to my statement, that picture was photoshopped to an extent, the sign was in Mandarin, someone photoshopped in a English translation.
460 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:20:25am |
re: #452 abolitionist
Please do not feed the trolls. (I suspect this pic was fauxtoshopped.)
Someone needs to feed that troll. It looks wan and thin. You have to properly feed and exercise a troll before you can grill it. A weakling troll like that one would last 5 minutes here.
461 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:20:38am |
re: #457 JasonA
Oy. I suppose they could just argue that their product wasn't at fault, and they'd be right.
Yep, I'm much more careful about warranties, now.
/all this happened ~1 year ago.
462 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:21:03am |
re: #451 MandyManners
How many are servicing the entitlement sector?
I didn't click through to the details. Given my wandering about the Intraweb tubes, it could have been from who-knows-where.
I'll backtrack a bit, see can I find it again.
See ya later.
463 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:21:24am |
re: #458 MandyManners
I'd call the store to see if they would let you crash on a couch.
Buy a couch for fifty dollars.
Sleep on it tonight.
Donate it back tomorrow.
Write off a thousand dollars for a couch donation.
PROFIT!
464 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:21:50am |
Drudge has a huge red headline linking to this interview with Brian Lamb of C-Span talking about the health care coverage.
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
465 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:22:12am |
re: #456 HoosierHoops
I'm working from home because of snow...
Be safe Walter
It's a little hard schlepping used furniture from home. I'll be ok, it's only a 28 minute trip in good weather, and when I come home tonight, the canyon will be clear of traffic, it will just be me and the sides of the canyon.
re: #458 MandyManners
I'd call the store to see if they would let you crash on a couch.
No, they would not let that happen. I'll be ok, my girlfriend made ot to work, it's not super bad, just not as clear as it would normally be after rush hour, just a little to cold to melt.
466 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:22:36am |
re: #460 Dark_Falcon
Someone needs to feed that troll. It looks wan and thin. You have to properly feed and exercise a troll before you can grill it. A weakling troll like that one would last 5 minutes here.
They don't seem to taste as good if they haven't been properly exercised. I don't know if it is chemicals in the troll itself or it is just me.
467 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:23:49am |
re: #465 Walter L. Newton
Times like this make me glad to not live there any more.
468 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:24:30am |
re: #456 HoosierHoops
I'm working from home because of snow...
Be safe Walter
Looking at the weather maps, folks east and north of me a fixing to get a good blast of cold and some more snow, you be careful.
469 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:24:32am |
Aww, the Newark airport lockdown was caused by love. I'm sure that will make everyone who got stuck there feel a lot better about what happened.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Goodbye kiss provoked Newark airport scare:
NEW YORK
Thu Jan 7, 2010 10:58am ESTNEW YORK (Reuters) - The security scare that shut Newark airport for hours and delayed thousands of passengers was caused by a man who slipped into a secure area to give a woman one last goodbye kiss, a newspaper reported on Thursday.
470 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:25:08am |
re: #336 JasonA
I'm still laughing at that "best coffee of my life" comment you said he made.
Heh-- missed this earlier. Yeah, me too. He laughed when he saw the thread and later said plaintively, "But it really was the best coffee I've had."
So cute.
471 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:25:09am |
re: #468 Walter L. Newton
Looking at the weather maps, folks east and north of me a fixing to get a good blast of cold and some more snow, you be careful.
The cold up here is supposed to get ridiculous. Tomorrow night, projected lows in the neighborhood of -20 degrees F. FRICKIN' COLD.
472 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:25:34am |
re: #466 SteveC
They don't seem to taste as good if they haven't been properly exercised. I don't know if it is chemicals in the troll itself or it is just me.
It's not just you. Trolls naturally spew toxic bile at regular intervals. If they don't spew, the toxins build up to dangerous levels. Fortunately, LGF has folks like Walter, Bagua, iceweasel, and myself who are skilled at inducing the troll to spew out sufficient bile to make them edible before Charles brains them with the banstick.
473 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:25:54am |
Heh. The Tea Partiers are on the hunt for trolls as well.
474 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:26:27am |
re: #456 HoosierHoops
I'm working from home because of snow...
Be safe Walter
I got up at 5 this morning to warm up the Jeep and get the wife-woman to work (we live about 25 miles out).
Got her to the plant, went in and got her chair and rolled her in to her desk.
The plant manager uses her as an object lesson.
Says if she can make it to work, then the folks that live right in town surely can manage.
475 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:26:35am |
re: #470 iceweasel
Heh-- missed this earlier. Yeah, me too. He laughed when he saw the thread and later said plaintively, "But it really was the best coffee I've had."
So cute.
Adorable. Fresh grind some beans and he'll be yours forever.
476 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:26:53am |
re: #469 RogueOne
Aww, the Newark airport lockdown was caused by love. I'm sure that will make everyone who got stuck there feel a lot better about what happened.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Fine, then let's make the kiss into a Hallmark card before we give loverboy the SMACK he deserves for causing all that trouble.
477 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:26:59am |
re: #467 MandyManners
Times like this make me glad to not live there any more.
And I spent from 1974-1989 all over Texas, and I was saying the same thing. I was so glad to move up here and have seasons and something to look at... I really like a lot of the regional entertainment people in Texas, it was the only people I hung around with, arts, theatre, magic all that, but otherwise, it's a geographically boring.
478 | lawhawk Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:27:36am |
re: #469 RogueOne
Yes, the passionate embrace, and the scooting through security when the guard on duty paused to take a cellphone call was caught on a Continental video feed, and which wasn't found until hours later as the TSA video system was inoperable. It took hours to get the procedures to access the Continental feed, delaying thousands in the process.
479 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:28:19am |
re: #447 Irish Rose
I had Turkish kebob that was to die for, in Galway city.
My son invited me to try sushi for the first time, in Moscow. My daughter-in-law said, "What, are you crazy? Who eats sushi in Moscow? Here, try the caviar."
I passed on the sushi. The caviar was excellent.
480 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:29:04am |
re: #475 JasonA
Adorable. Fresh grind some beans and he'll be yours forever.
Bringing the grinder and the french press over there for sure, you better believe it baby! :-)
481 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:29:07am |
re: #473 JasonA
Heh. The Tea Partiers are on the hunt for trolls as well.
Tea partiers beware: "You can and will be banned for being a liberal."
Organizers behind the upcoming Tea Party Nation convention we wrote about this morning told members today that MSNBC's Rachel Maddow tried to join the group and "we banned her 7 minutes after she joined."
TPMDC, which also has signed up for the TPN mailing list, received an email to all members warning them that as the convention nears "we will in all likelihood be invaded by liberal trolls looking to disrupt the site." The subject line was "Liberal Troll Alert!"
"Tea Party Nation reserves the right to ban anyone for any reason we feel necessary to ensure the well being of the site and our members," the group writes in the email, which you can read in full after the jump.
If they can ban liberals, why don't they ban racists and nirthers? Unless of course they are actually comfortable with such people?
482 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:29:13am |
Any Florida Lizards on-line? I just got confirmed for VIP access to the SCOPE East 2010 Conference at Orlando, Fla. April 11th-13th.. They want me to speak Tuesday morning...Would love to take some Lizards out to dinner.. I have never been to Florida in my life...
483 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:29:30am |
re: #471 thedopefishlives
The cold up here is supposed to get ridiculous. Tomorrow night, projected lows in the neighborhood of -20 degrees F. FRICKIN' COLD.
It was -16 (f) in Denver last night, up here it was about -10 (f), which is unusual, since it is normally about 10-15 degrees (f) cooler up here any given day. But this arctic air hugged the front range, and the continental divide actually kept it down in the Denver valley and east of here. Of course 6 degrees different is not a lot at these temperatures.
484 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:29:59am |
re: #480 iceweasel
Bringing the grinder and the french press over there for sure, you better believe it baby! :-)
+1 for the french press. I'm a big fan!
485 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:30:36am |
re: #480 iceweasel
Bringing the grinder and the french press over there for sure, you better believe it baby! :-)
Whoa now. Throw a French Press into the mix and you'll turn the man into a stalker!
486 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:30:37am |
re: #472 Dark_Falcon
It's not just you. Trolls naturally spew toxic bile at regular intervals. If they don't spew, the toxins build up to dangerous levels. Fortunately, LGF has folks like Walter, Bagua, iceweasel, and myself who are skilled at inducing the troll to spew out sufficient bile to make them edible before Charles brains them with the banstick.
I can only do it part time now, since I am working a full 40 hours, and the schedule rotates and takes up some parts of weekends. Some weeks I have 2 days in a row off, some days 3 days in a row off, and some weeks I work six days strait, all over the board, well, that's retail.
487 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:31:05am |
re: #473 JasonA
Heh. The Tea Partiers are on the hunt for trolls as well.
We don't want no sloppy seconds!
488 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:31:20am |
re: #483 Walter L. Newton
It was -16 (f) in Denver last night, up here it was about -10 (f), which is unusual, since it is normally about 10-15 degrees (f) cooler up here any given day. But this arctic air hugged the front range, and the continental divide actually kept it down in the Denver valley and east of here. Of course 6 degrees different is not a lot at these temperatures.
I just went onto the porch and checked. Nine degrees. I love the South.
489 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:31:36am |
re: #481 Dark_Falcon
If they can ban liberals, why don't they ban racists and nirthers? Unless of course they are actually comfortable with such people?
Apparently they have more to fear from journalists.
490 | lawhawk Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:32:35am |
re: #345 RogueOne
The President has multiple hats to wear, but as he has to uphold the US Constitution, what you suggest opens the door to branding individuals captured in the US as terrorists whether they committed such crimes or not and pushing them into a tribunal system.
The US can still get intel from these individuals, but has to do so in a law enforcement framework. I understand the problem in that it gives terrorists who successfully make it into the US to carry out attacks additional protections that those overseas don't have (who would see tribunals only), but that protection extends to all Americans - preventing the government from classifying someone for tribunal treatment who should get federal court treatment.
It is a balancing act, and it's one of many decisions that the President has to consider at any time.
491 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:32:40am |
Watching "No Country for Old Men", I had forgotten how effective Javier Bardem was in his role as Chigurh.
492 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:33:12am |
re: #484 rwdflynavy
+1 for the french press. I'm a big fan!
Oh god, aren't they great?
Do you like iced coffee? Try cold brewing it in the french press if you haven't already. It's the best!
493 | William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:33:13am |
re: #473 JasonA
Heh. The Tea Partiers are on the hunt for trolls as well.
Heh. Loved the comment on the article:
In keeping with our small-government, free market values, our central administration will control the content discussed on this site, rather than leaving it up to the people to decide.
William
495 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:33:36am |
re: #476 Dark_Falcon
Fine, then let's make the kiss into a Hallmark card before we give loverboy the SMACK he deserves for causing all that trouble.
To paraphrase a line from Fast Times at Ridgemont High:
I hope it was a great kiss, Arnold!
496 | Irish Rose Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:34:00am |
re: #479 Alouette
My son invited me to try sushi for the first time, in Moscow. My daughter-in-law said, "What, are you crazy? Who eats sushi in Moscow? Here, try the caviar."
I passed on the sushi. The caviar was excellent.
Oh don't get me wrong... I like my fish, chips, bangers and mash.
But the guy behind the counter making up the kebobs was hot.
497 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:34:02am |
re: #486 Walter L. Newton
I can only do it part time now, since I am working a full 40 hours, and the schedule rotates and takes up some parts of weekends. Some weeks I have 2 days in a row off, some days 3 days in a row off, and some weeks I work six days strait, all over the board, well, that's retail.
Don't I know. Back in 2004 I once had to work 11 days running during December and one week of that month I had no days off at all. I worked an average of 52 hours a week that month and utterly crashed once it was over. I spend the majority of New Year's Day asleep.
498 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:34:53am |
re: #494 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Cool!
Here is where I'm staying for free:
[Link: www.rosenshinglecreek.com...]
499 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:35:48am |
re: #484 rwdflynavy
+1 for the french press. I'm a big fan!
I was too, until I broke mine. Now I use a stovetop moka express. Takes a lot longer (despite the name) but it's always strong and great.
500 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:36:56am |
re: #488 razorbacker
I just went onto the porch and checked. Nine degrees. I love the South.
I got a electric space heater under the table shoved between my legs, a pellet stove blazing upstairs and downstairs and the blinds open for sun warmth. It's about 65 in here.
501 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:37:33am |
re: #500 Walter L. Newton
I got a electric space heater under the table shoved between my legs,
TMI!
502 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:37:48am |
Ron Paul endorses Pelosi challenger
-Congressman Ron Paul today endorsed John Dennis in his Republican bid for United States Congress. Mr. Dennis, a successful entrepreneur and longtime liberty-minded GOP activist, is running to unseat Nancy Pelosi in California’s 8th district.
Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right....
503 | Irish Rose Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:38:48am |
re: #500 Walter L. Newton
I got a electric space heater under the table shoved between my legs
Oooh, kinky ;).
504 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:39:08am |
I've got today off and I'll be mostly at home. It's snowing heavily here in Chicago today, with a foot or more projected by the time its done.
505 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:39:40am |
re: #502 SteveC
Ron Paul endorses Pelosi challenger
Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right...
Here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you!
506 | SteveC Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:39:50am |
re: #500 Walter L. Newton
I got a electric space heater under the table shoved between my legs
Used to be you paid extra for that!
507 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:39:55am |
re: #500 Walter L. Newton
I got a electric space heater under the table shoved between my legs
That what you kids are calling it nowadays?
508 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:40:54am |
re: #500 Walter L. Newton
I got a electric space heater under the table shoved between my legs, a pellet stove blazing upstairs and downstairs and the blinds open for sun warmth. It's about 65 in here.
Roasting chestnuts, are we?
509 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:40:55am |
re: #497 Dark_Falcon
Don't I know. Back in 2004 I once had to work 11 days running during December and one week of that month I had no days off at all. I worked an average of 52 hours a week that month and utterly crashed once it was over. I spend the majority of New Year's Day asleep.
Yo know how at some jobs, you find that one thing, that one task, that no matter what you do, there is no way to make that task anything but unpleasant?
Well, that happen two times a week for me, it's called closing. Two nights a week, I work closing, and it's the furniture departments task to pull in any donations still left in the back, pull in the "donate" signs around the parking lot, sweep to WHOLE store and vacuum the rugs near the front door.
The bitchiest part is the cleaning up outside. You always have some large pieces that someone dropped off late, and you're hauling a sofa or something big like that around all by yourself.
510 | lawhawk Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:43:10am |
I'm putting down preliminary Fiskie Award odds given that Charles is picking the winner this year:
Glenn Beck - even
Ron Paul - 2-1
Tea Partiers - 3-1
Rush Limbaugh - 5-1
Sarah Palin - 5-1
Michele Bachmann - 6-1
Andrew Breitbart - 10-1
Discovery Institute - 11-1
Any others I've missed?
511 | wrenchwench Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:43:44am |
re: #498 HoosierHoops
"rosenshinglecreek" sounds more like a skin ailment than a place to stay...
512 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:43:50am |
re: #510 lawhawk
I'm putting down preliminary Fiskie Award odds given that Charles is picking the winner this year:
Glenn Beck - even
Ron Paul - 2-1
Tea Partiers - 3-1
Rush Limbaugh - 5-1
Sarah Palin - 5-1
Michele Bachmann - 6-1
Andrew Breitbart - 10-1
Discovery Institute - 11-1Any others I've missed?
Robert Stacy McCain.
513 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:44:09am |
re: #510 lawhawk
I'm putting down preliminary Fiskie Award odds given that Charles is picking the winner this year:
Glenn Beck - even
Ron Paul - 2-1
Tea Partiers - 3-1
Rush Limbaugh - 5-1
Sarah Palin - 5-1
Michele Bachmann - 6-1
Andrew Breitbart - 10-1
Discovery Institute - 11-1Any others I've missed?
What does one have to 'accomplish' to be eligible?
514 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:44:25am |
re: #510 lawhawk
I'm putting down preliminary Fiskie Award odds given that Charles is picking the winner this year:
Glenn Beck - even
Ron Paul - 2-1
Tea Partiers - 3-1
Rush Limbaugh - 5-1
Sarah Palin - 5-1
Michele Bachmann - 6-1
Andrew Breitbart - 10-1
Discovery Institute - 11-1Any others I've missed?
All of the lizards who flounced in 09.
516 | wrenchwench Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:45:13am |
re: #512 MandyManners
Thanks for saving me from having to type that.
517 | KingKenrod Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:45:37am |
Genetically, humans are 8% virus:
[Link: www.uta.edu...]
518 | gregb Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:46:10am |
re: #246 Bubblehead II
Well since he was a Bush appointee, it of course has to be Bush's fault.
/need I?
///If it was Bush's fault, he would have been petting his goat.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
519 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:46:51am |
re: #516 wrenchwench
Thanks for saving me from having to type that.
I tried to find your "cat nuts" link for Walter's No. 500. Do you still have it?
520 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:47:48am |
re: #511 wrenchwench
"rosenshinglecreek" sounds more like a skin ailment than a place to stay...
Nice place though from the website.. Hope to meet up with some Orlando Lizards for dinner
521 | wrenchwench Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:48:11am |
re: #519 MandyManners
I tried to find your "cat nuts" link for Walter's No. 500. Do you still have it?
Gimme a sec...
522 | razorbacker Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:48:40am |
I need to go do something semi-productive.
See y'all later.
523 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:48:57am |
re: #519 MandyManners
I tried to find your "cat nuts" link for Walter's No. 500. Do you still have it?
What do you mean? Stop that, I don't want any pictures of cat nuts.
524 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:49:09am |
re: #522 razorbacker
I need to go do something semi-productive.
See y'all later.
What are we? Chopped liver?
525 | wrenchwench Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:49:14am |
526 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:49:39am |
re: #510 lawhawk
Yesterday Charles announced there would be no voting. The winner hasn't been announced, but it rhymes with Glenn Beck.
527 | The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:49:39am |
re: #509 Walter L. Newton
Yo know how at some jobs, you find that one thing, that one task, that no matter what you do, there is no way to make that task anything but unpleasant?
Well, that happen two times a week for me, it's called closing. Two nights a week, I work closing, and it's the furniture departments task to pull in any donations still left in the back, pull in the "donate" signs around the parking lot, sweep to WHOLE store and vacuum the rugs near the front door.
The bitchiest part is the cleaning up outside. You always have some large pieces that someone dropped off late, and you're hauling a sofa or something big like that around all by yourself.
Hope they gave you a back brace, Walter.
528 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:50:02am |
re: #500 Walter L. Newton
I got a electric space heater under the table shoved between my legs, a pellet stove blazing upstairs and downstairs and the blinds open for sun warmth. It's about 65 in here.
530 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:50:26am |
re: #523 Walter L. Newton
What do you mean? Stop that, I don't want any pictures of cat nuts.
Oops. Too late.
531 | Buck Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:50:35am |
The conspiracy crazies are all over the x-mas day diaper bomber. I got an email from the "Let's roll" forum...
"For anyone following the "Underwear Bomber" story, they already know the story is full of holes and has all the signs and then some of being a government run op to terrorize us, the people."
"A government run op" sheesh. Will the birthers and truthers join in, or compete? Stand by...
533 | The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:50:51am |
re: #510 lawhawk
I don't blame him for not running the poll this year. It'd probably be repeatedly crashed by vandals.
535 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:51:06am |
re: #531 Buck
The twoofers are already on record as saying this whole thing is a setup.
536 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:51:14am |
re: #500 Walter L. Newton
I got a electric space heater under the table shoved between my legs, a pellet stove blazing upstairs and downstairs and the blinds open for sun warmth. It's about 65 in here.
537 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:51:18am |
538 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:51:59am |
539 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:52:02am |
re: #531 Buck
The conspiracy crazies are all over the x-mas day diaper bomber. I got an email from the "Let's roll" forum...
"For anyone following the "Underwear Bomber" story, they already know the story is full of holes and has all the signs and then some of being a government run op to terrorize us, the people."
"A government run op" sheesh. Will the birthers and truthers join in, or compete? Stand by...
Oh, dear me.
540 | gregb Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:52:08am |
re: #255 RogueOne
UH-OH Bad word at the very end of that video. didn't realize it. NSFW and all that.
NSFWNKITM (nor kids in the room), but I passed it along anyways....
My favorite line: Loaded on the bus in HB....
541 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:52:50am |
542 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:54:44am |
re: #535 thedopefishlives
Although, for anyone who still follows the pathetic remains of the Twoofer movement, it also depends on what flavor of twoofer you ask. The mildly crazy versions mostly harp on about the "sharp-dressed man"; the truly batshit insane ones are more than willing to dive into false-flag conspiracy theory, lock, stock, and barrel.
543 | Kragar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:54:54am |
Walters, sounds like you need a Selk Bag.
[Link: www.lippiselkbag.co.uk...]
544 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:55:14am |
re: #542 thedopefishlives
Although, for anyone who still follows the pathetic remains of the Twoofer movement, it also depends on what flavor of twoofer you ask. The mildly crazy versions mostly harp on about the "sharp-dressed man"; the truly batshit insane ones are more than willing to dive into false-flag conspiracy theory, lock, stock, and barrel.
Sharp-dressed man?
545 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:56:07am |
546 | Kragar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:56:12am |
547 | lawhawk Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:56:16am |
re: #526 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You mean Bela Fleck is gonna win? Wha???? /
548 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:56:29am |
re: #544 MandyManners
Sharp-dressed man?
Yeah. People made a big stink about a nicely dressed guy who supposedly helped the terrorist through security without a passport in Africa. Turns out it was bullshit, but the crazies are still ranting about it.
549 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:56:54am |
re: #528 MandyManners
Ha... I have two cats here, and one of them will sit in front of the pellet stove... if you feel his body, it is actually warm to the touch... the other cat loves to sleep on the electric blanket on our bed.
This is a big older mountain house and it's not one of those places that looks like it came out of a factory or something. It's all hardwood floors, plank and groove walls, lots of wood, but there is no way to keep it toasty unless you wanted to spend about 500 dollars a month on utilities. Both gas and electricity is a lot more expensive up here.
So, that's why we have the alternative heating methods, a few space heaters, the two pellet stoves and the electric blanket. Rarely does the furnace come on. So, 65 may be a little chilly, but it's not unbearable. Besides, it's fun to cuddle.
550 | lawhawk Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:58:17am |
re: #531 Buck
Well, wouldn't you know, but Alex Jones is busy stirring that pot too...
551 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:58:33am |
re: #490 lawhawk
The President has multiple hats to wear, but as he has to uphold the US Constitution, what you suggest opens the door to branding individuals captured in the US as terrorists whether they committed such crimes or not and pushing them into a tribunal system.
You and I are going to continue to disagree on the best way to interrogate and deal with captured terrorists. I don't think there is any question as to which tactic (military or civilian) is more likely to get intelligence we need even though I'm sure you're going to disagree.
When Reid was captured there was a question as to the presidents authority to hold people so he was handed over to civilian authorities. The legislative branches then made sure the presidents authority to classify people as enemy combatants was spelled out and as far as I can tell it's been upheld in the courts. That's why Jose Padilla (an american citizen picked up on american soil) was able to be held in a military facility for years without a trial.
I don't think anyone on the left is actually trying to deny the president has the ability to hold people as enemy combatants (except obdicut), it's just a matter of the presidents use of that authority. In this case, the president should have put on his military hat.
552 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 8:59:48am |
re: #510 lawhawk
I'm putting down preliminary Fiskie Award odds given that Charles is picking the winner this year:
Glenn Beck - even
Ron Paul - 2-1
Tea Partiers - 3-1
Rush Limbaugh - 5-1
Sarah Palin - 5-1
Michele Bachmann - 6-1
Andrew Breitbart - 10-1
Discovery Institute - 11-1Any others I've missed?
Wow, if you're paying even money on Beck I'd go all in. I'd have put him at a 2-5 payoff myself.
/ex-horse player here.
553 | Charles Johnson Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:01:30am |
re: #551 RogueOne
When Reid was captured there was a question as to the presidents authority to hold people so he was handed over to civilian authorities. The legislative branches then made sure the presidents authority to classify people as enemy combatants was spelled out and as far as I can tell it's been upheld in the courts. That's why Jose Padilla (an american citizen picked up on american soil) was able to be held in a military facility for years without a trial.
And you're conveniently forgetting that Padilla was ultimately moved to a civilian court, tried, convicted, and sentenced to 17 years in prison.
After being held for years on "dirty bomb" charges that appear to have been completely false.
554 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:03:54am |
re: #553 Charles
I'm not conveniently forgetting that. I never said the panty bomber should be tried by the military, only that he be held until we feel we have the intelligence we need. If they chose to put him in a civilian court that's their decision. I haven't even come out against trying KSM in a civilian court although I think the security and the costs should have been taken into consideration before the decision was made.
555 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:07:21am |
556 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:07:49am |
Religion of peace....
Man threatening to `kill all the Jews' taken off Miami flight, arrested
An Ohio man who became loud and disruptive aboard a flight from Miami to Detroit -- at one point shouting ``kill all the Jews'' -- was removed from the airplane and taken into custody by Miami-Dade police.
The man arrested was identified as Mansor Mohammad Asad, 43. Police say he caused a ``disturbance,'' forcing the pilot to decide to return to the jet-bridge.
When Asad was taken off the plane to be interviewed by police, he threatened officers, made racial comments and charged an officer, authorities said.
557 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:07:50am |
re: #554 RogueOne
I'm not conveniently forgetting that. I never said the panty bomber should be tried by the military, only that he be held until we feel we have the intelligence we need. If they chose to put him in a civilian court that's their decision. I haven't even come out against trying KSM in a civilian court although I think the security and the costs should have been taken into consideration before the decision was made.
He's already spilling his guts and some on the right (not you) want him to be waterboarded anyway. There's no reason to think that he shouldn't be tried in a criminal court like the criminal he is, or that the criminal courts can't handle him, just as they have the other approx 195 terrorists tried, convicted, and held in the federal criminal system.
558 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:10:47am |
559 | Charles Johnson Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:11:41am |
re: #556 Killgore Trout
Religion of peace...
Man threatening to `kill all the Jews' taken off Miami flight, arrested
Yes, I saw that -- but this time it sounds like it was just an angry guy who snapped, not any kind of actual terrorist. I was on a flight once with a guy who did something similar -- but this guy started screaming about black people. (Using the N word.) I never did find out what set the guy off, if anything.
560 | Olsonist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:12:00am |
re: #554 RogueOne
I'm pretty sure that he'll be held until trial and then held after the trial. And the regular law enforcement folks are pretty good at this sort of thing.
561 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:12:03am |
re: #557 iceweasel
He's already spilling his guts and some on the right (not you) want him to be waterboarded anyway. There's no reason to think that he shouldn't be tried in a criminal court like the criminal he is, or that the criminal courts can't handle him, just as they have the other approx 195 terrorists tried, convicted, and held in the federal criminal system.
We don't actually know what he's said other than bragging that he was al-queda and there were more like him coming. You and I both know what the very first thing his atty told him, and if he were still talking they wouldn't feel the need to try to bribe him with a plea bargain. Besides, I never said his ultimate destination shouldn't be a civilian trial only that the best way to get the information we need is to hand him over to the military.
562 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:12:31am |
re: #556 Killgore Trout
Religion of peace...
Man threatening to `kill all the Jews' taken off Miami flight, arrested
What a putz. This guy reminds of a flouncer: He makes a big production with his little rage-play, but it ultimately amounts to nothing and he's thrown out like yesterday's garbage.
563 | MandyManners Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:12:45am |
re: #556 Killgore Trout
Religion of peace...
Man threatening to `kill all the Jews' taken off Miami flight, arrested
He then prayed and chanted, before telling a cop to ``Go back to Africa, you white racist cop!''
Ummm...okay.
564 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:13:35am |
re: #559 Charles
There seem to be a lot of flip outs on flights lately. Extra security and terrorism concerns make some people freak. I seem to remember the same thing after 9-11 too.
565 | darthstar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:13:38am |
Just watched a gal in the next lane on my way to work almost rear-end the car in front of her...all four wheels locked up. As my lane moved ahead and I watched her start driving again, she still had her phone in front of the steering wheel and was writing a text message.
It's times like this when I wish I was a cop.
566 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:13:55am |
re: #563 MandyManners
He then prayed and chanted, before telling a cop to ``Go back to Africa, you white racist cop!''
Ummm...okay.
I think he might be confused.
567 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:14:37am |
re: #562 Dark_Falcon
What a putz. This guy reminds of a flouncer: He makes a big production with his little rage-play, but it ultimately amounts to nothing and he's thrown out like yesterday's garbage.
I remember a jackass at Dulles Airport claiming he had a grenade. Got his ass tackled and had...nothing. What possesses these idiots?
569 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:15:12am |
re: #565 darthstar
Just watched a gal in the next lane on my way to work almost rear-end the car in front of her...all four wheels locked up. As my lane moved ahead and I watched her start driving again, she still had her phone in front of the steering wheel and was writing a text message.
It's times like this when I wish I was a cop.
Been there, done that. First snowstorm of the season, I had this person as the person right behind ME. They were gripping the steering wheel with white knuckles, had the wheels turned hard to the right, and were still sliding straight forward toward my rear bumper. I was yelling at the rear-view mirror "STRAIGHTEN YOUR WHEELS AND LET OFF THE BRAKES, YOU DOPE!"
570 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:16:29am |
Some more info on Padilla's time in captivity, while held without charge or access to a lawyer:
In a motion to dismiss the case in October, federal public defender Michael Caruso and his team also alleged that Padilla "was tortured for nearly the entire three years and eight months of his unlawful detention. The torture took myriad forms, each designed to cause pain, anguish, depression and, ultimately, the loss of will to live. The base ingredient in Mr. Padilla's torture was stark isolation for a substantial portion of his captivity."
Among other things, the defense alleges that Padilla was held for 1,307 days in a 9-foot-by-7-foot cell, isolated for days or weeks at a time, physically assaulted and threatened with execution and other violence, kept awake with lights and noises, and forced to take mind-altering drugs, possibly PCP or LSD.
Read more: [Link: www.sfgate.com...]
Reminder: this is an American citizen.
571 | wrenchwench Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:16:57am |
re: #569 thedopefishlives
Been there, done that. First snowstorm of the season, I had this person as the person right behind ME. They were gripping the steering wheel with white knuckles, had the wheels turned hard to the right, and were still sliding straight forward toward my rear bumper. I was yelling at the rear-view mirror "STRAIGHTEN YOUR WHEELS AND LET OFF THE BRAKES, YOU DOPE!"
Was it a relative of yours?
/
572 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:17:02am |
re: #567 Varek Raith
I remember a jackass at Dulles Airport claiming he had a grenade. Got his ass tackled and had...nothing. What possesses these idiots?
It looks he was simply a Rodan-level hater who snapped. Sometimes haters just go nuts.
573 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:17:48am |
re: #570 iceweasel
Taken into custody on that foreign battleground known as... Chicago.
574 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:19:39am |
re: #561 RogueOne
We don't actually know what he's said other than bragging that he was al-queda and there were more like him coming. You and I both know what the very first thing his atty told him, and if he were still talking they wouldn't feel the need to try to bribe him with a plea bargain. Besides, I never said his ultimate destination shouldn't be a civilian trial only that the best way to get the information we need is to hand him over to the military.
And I'd suggest that there is no need to hand him over to the military. Why? What are you proposing the military do to him that the civilian system can't?
575 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:20:18am |
re: #572 Dark_Falcon
It looks he was simply a Rodan-level hater who snapped. Sometimes haters just go nuts.
True. I sometimes wonder why I try to understand why people do the things they do...
/shrugs.
576 | Kragar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:20:33am |
578 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:20:46am |
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Police: 3 people shot at St. Louis factory
(CNN) -- Three people have been shot at a transformer manufacturing facility in St. Louis, Missouri, police said Thursday.
Police said the shooter was armed with an assault rifle. Authorities believe the suspect is still on the premises at the ABB plant, according to a police hotline.
"It's pretty sketchy at this point," ABB spokesman Bob Fesmire told CNN. He said police had evacuated the building. Authorities said on the hotline a room-to-room search was being conducted.
579 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:20:59am |
re: #565 darthstar
Just watched a gal in the next lane on my way to work almost rear-end the car in front of her...all four wheels locked up. As my lane moved ahead and I watched her start driving again, she still had her phone in front of the steering wheel and was writing a text message.
It's times like this when I wish I was a cop.
I don't need ANY STUDY to tell me that talking on a cell phone, hands free or not, seems to interfere with driving. Take this as anecdotal, but most of the time when I have someone come right up on my rear and tailgate, I notice that they are on a cell phone. If you look at their body english, if you honk or tap you brakes to wake them up, they actually appear surprised as if they had no idea that they were fixing to rear end you.
No, I don't care, most people cannot concentrate when talking. It's not the same process as listening, as in listening to a radio, or music or a CD.
Talking and listening and responding engages the brain in a different way, and it doesn't lend itself to driving at the same time.
581 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:21:43am |
re: #574 iceweasel
And I'd suggest that there is no need to hand him over to the military. Why? What are you proposing the military do to him that the civilian system can't?
Torture him.
582 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:22:49am |
Yes.
Sitting 17 years in prison for being a freedom fighter.
Our legal system sucks.
583 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:23:08am |
re: #581 Walter L. Newton
Torture him.
And I know how
Make him read all the versions of the health care bills!
/
584 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:23:36am |
re: #579 Walter L. Newton
Talking and listening and responding engages the brain in a different way, and it doesn't lend itself to driving at the same time.
In particular, listening vis-a-vis a phone conversation involves brain processing which overlaps that of driving. The brain is a complex computer, but it's not a parallel processor.
585 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:23:51am |
Yes, Andrew Sullivan is still a despicable creep....
I too am sick of the Israelis for their contempt for the interests of their most important ally, their continuation of brutalizing colonization of the West Bank, their shameless ethnic engineering in East Jerusalem, their pulverization of Gaza, the direct manipulation of domestic American politics by their ambassador, and on and on. And, yes, I'm also sick of the war crimes and theocratic insanity of Hamas, and the lame passive-aggression of the PA, and the inability of the Palestinian leadership to prepare for actual governance as opposed to the victimized preening and theatrics and violence they prefer to the difficult compromises required if we are to move forward.
And if Rahm Emanuel is sick of them all, one can imagine how the average American feels. My own view is moving toward supporting a direct American military imposition of a two-state solution, with NATO troops on the borders of the new states of Palestine and Israel. I'm sick of having a great power like the US being dictated to in the conduct of its own foreign policy by an ally that provides almost no real benefit to the US, and more and more costs.
586 | wrenchwench Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:24:05am |
re: #575 Varek Raith
True. I sometimes wonder why I try to understand why people do the things they do...
/shrugs.
Wow, that's like a Möbius strip thought.
587 | McSpiff Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:24:07am |
re: #583 sattv4u2
And I know how
Make him read all the versions of the health care bills!
/
Never thought I'd upding a post recommending a form of torture, but this gets one from me.
588 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:24:10am |
re: #573 JasonA
Taken into custody on that foreign battleground known as... Chicago.
Ah yes. Another part of America that is foreign and exotic, much like Hawai'i.
And utterly unlike the places that reel amurkins come from, which as we all know, includes Wasilla (and part of Virginia, but not all.).
591 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:26:12am |
re: #582 Ben Hur
Yes.
Sitting 17 years in prison for being a freedom fighter.
Our legal system sucks.
The people who assert our legal system needs to be occasionally suspended are the ones who apparently think it sucks.
592 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:26:22am |
re: #573 JasonA
Taken into custody on that foreign battleground known as... Chicago.
Not foreign, but Chicago is often a battlefield between gangs.
BBL
593 | Four More Tears Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:26:37am |
re: #589 Ben Hur
You agree that Padilla is a victim?
A convicted criminal can be a victim, too. The labels aren't mutually exclusive.
594 | Olsonist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:27:14am |
re: #582 Ben Hur
I kind of like our legal system. Prosecuting people in open court with access to a defense attorney sort of separates us from the Chinas of the world.
Just my opinion.
595 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:27:39am |
re: #591 iceweasel
The people who assert our legal system needs to be occasionally suspended are the ones who apparently think it sucks.
I don't think it sucks at all. Much rather in our then in the International Court.
But Padilla is not a victim.
597 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:28:14am |
re: #574 iceweasel
And I'd suggest that there is no need to hand him over to the military. Why? What are you proposing the military do to him that the civilian system can't?
In a military facility the interrogation rules are quite different than a civilian detention. I think this guy has info our government needs in order to fulfill their duty to keep us safe from these kinds of attacks and when we've caught a guy red-handed like this I don't see why there would be any question about what his treatment should be like. Especially since our elected officials, and the courts, have already decided what lengths the government is allowed to go to in order to extract information from detainees in order to comply with our law.
There isn't any question about what his objective was, or if he might be innocent, so I don't see any moral obligation we have to treat him any differently than someone we picked up on the battlefield.
598 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:28:23am |
re: #593 JasonA
A convicted criminal can be a victim, too. The labels aren't mutually exclusive.
Too true, but I beleive Ben is asking about one particular person, not convicted criminals in general
599 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:28:32am |
600 | Buck Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:30:07am |
re: #256 MandyManners
I am not sure leaving him in Miami is such a good idea.... Taking him to Detroit, or at least Dearborn Michigan might have been safer.
602 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:30:39am |
re: #594 Olsonist
I kind of like our legal system. Prosecuting people in open court with access to a defense attorney sort of separates us from the Chinas of the world.
Just my opinion.
Not advocating for or against, but do you think then we should do away with military tribunals?
603 | badger1970 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:31:03am |
re: #578 RogueOne
Prayers for the victims.
The infamous "assault rifle", what the heck does that mean?
604 | McSpiff Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:31:04am |
re: #602 sattv4u2
Not advocating for or against, but do you think then we should do away with military tribunals?
They aren't mutually exclusive.
605 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:31:16am |
re: #589 Ben Hur
You agree that Padilla is a victim?
Yes. He's a victim of bedwetters and torture apologists who decided to basically abrogate the rule of law, torture him and hold him without trial or access to counsel, all on the suspicion of guilt for charges about a dirty bomb which appear to have been completely false.
In that sense, you're damned right he is a victim. As an American citizen alone he was entitled to due process, and he was the victim of a climate of fear and a peculiar kind of madness that infected our system in the wake of 9-11, and caused us to do to ourselves the one thing no terrorists could ever have accomplished: to violate our core values as a country.
606 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:31:31am |
Meanwhile, the DU morons are still complaining about Bush and Cheney, still blaiming 9/11 on him. If St. Gore had won (and he did!!!) 9/11 would have been prevented.
[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]
607 | Olsonist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:32:08am |
608 | Kragar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:32:09am |
re: #603 badger1970
Prayers for the victims.
The infamous "assault rifle", what the heck does that mean?
Anything the media wants it to mean.
609 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:32:37am |
re: #601 Olsonist
He got tortured. Yes, he's a victim.
Ah.
According to his attorneys.
That wasn't a defense, it was a tactic.
610 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:32:53am |
re: #603 badger1970
Prayers for the victims.
The infamous "assault rifle", what the heck does that mean?
Who knows, it seems anything that has a barrel longer than 6" and shoots more than one round without reloading seems to be classified as an assault weapon nowadays.
611 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:33:40am |
re: #607 Olsonist
I'm not sure what your point is.
First was sarcasm, the second was getting us back on point - that you think Padilla is a victim, and I do not.
612 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:35:18am |
re: #609 Ben Hur
Ah.
According to his attorneys.
That wasn't a defense, it was a tactic.
And an episode on 24, I think.
613 | Olsonist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:35:57am |
re: #602 sattv4u2
Where it is appropriate, we should definitely use military tribunals. Certainly not as a first or convenient recourse. And this is a completely separate issue from torture and a completely separate issue from habeus corpus.
614 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:36:43am |
re: #606 Mad Al-Jaffee
I didn't realize we had any DU fans here.
615 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:37:06am |
Everyone scurrying on line to find "proof" that he was tortured?
616 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:37:41am |
The CNN main page has a video talking to the family of the bomber who carried out the CIA bombing. I can't seem to find a way to link straight to the video. Anyone else notice it seems that there are a lot of these guys who turn out to be doctors?
www.cnn.com
617 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:37:44am |
re: #613 Olsonist
Where it is appropriate, we should definitely use military tribunals. Certainly not as a first or convenient recourse. And this is a completely separate issue from torture and a completely separate issue from habeus corpus.
I thought the "issue" was Padilla
618 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:37:51am |
re: #615 Ben Hur
Everyone scurrying on line to find "proof" that he was tortured?
Well, the 'dirty bomber' accusations seem to have had none...
619 | darthstar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:38:04am |
re: #569 thedopefishlives
Yep...people who touch their brakes in the snow piss me off. Last year I had a co-worker ask me if he needed chains for his Ford Expedition as he was going to Reno for the weekend. I asked if he had 4WD and he said yes, so I told him, "No, just use your gears going downhill and don't touch the brakes."
Following Monday...he says, "I did 5 360s on I-80 and scared the hell out of my wife! Cars were honking at me as I faced the wrong way after stopping, etc..."
I said, "You touched the brakes, didn't you?" (Yes, was the reply...he got scared when he saw slower traffic ahead of him.)
620 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:38:45am |
re: #585 Killgore Trout
Yes, Andrew Sullivan is still a despicable creep...
I posted that earlier (before you were awake, I'm sure!)
Link to the Daily Dish post for those who are interested:
re: #79 reine.de.tout
At the Daily Dish: "Sick" Of The Israelis And The Palestinians
Israel dictates US foreign policy?
621 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:39:08am |
re: #615 Ben Hur
Everyone scurrying on line to find "proof" that he was tortured?
Well, you could have followed the case yourself, instead of just deciding to claim that he wasn't.
If only there were some way of finding out things like that. Or finding out how Padilla did get tried and convicted.
Must have been a military tribunal. Not.
622 | darthstar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:39:13am |
re: #579 Walter L. Newton
I don't like talking on the phone when I'm driving, because it screws up my ability to play my air-guitar.
/
623 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:39:20am |
re: #614 Mad Al-Jaffee
I didn't realize we had any DU fans here.
Weird.
But not as weird as this:
re: #618 Varek Raith
Well, the 'dirty bomber' accusations seem to have had none...
Right.
Beauty of our legal system.
He's not doing 17 years for the dirty bomb issue.
And it shows you not all are "slam dunks."
624 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:40:54am |
re: #622 darthstar
I don't like talking on the phone when I'm driving, because it screws up my ability to play my air-guitar.
/
And of course I have to avoid talking on the phone when I'm driving because it screws up the application of my make-up.
/ / /
625 | That's Glenn Beck to you Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:41:12am |
I could not sleep last night.
I am so excited! I love award ceremonies!
626 | Olsonist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:41:20am |
627 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:41:24am |
re: #621 iceweasel
Well, you could have followed the case yourself, instead of just deciding to claim that he wasn't.
If only there were some way of finding out things like that. Or finding out how Padilla did get tried and convicted.
Must have been a military tribunal. Not.
I don't get your point.
You linked to a paragraph from a SF Gate (?) article from 2006 to show that he was tortured.
Actually, it was just claims from his defense team.
I did follow it at the time, and I know he was convicted.
He is not a victim- which is the point.
628 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:42:06am |
re: #619 darthstar
I remember you posting that story some weeks ago. I've taken to abusing the shifter on my wife's Dodge in snowy weather. She didn't quite get why, until I did a 4-wheel power slide on the slick surface, followed by a controlled stop using engine braking most of the way down.
629 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:42:21am |
re: #623 Ben Hur
Right.
Beauty of our legal system.
He's not doing 17 years for the dirty bomb issue.
And it shows you not all are "slam dunks."
THis whole post didn't come out right.
I think I hit something, forgot and replied to something else.
Please disregard the "AS wierd as this" stuff.
630 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:42:32am |
re: #619 darthstar
Hard to go against your nature.
632 | darthstar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:42:44am |
re: #623 Ben Hur
The Bush administration dropped the "dirty bomb" charges because there was no evidence to support them. They held Padilla with no actual charges for 3 1/2 years.
From wiki:
On January 3, 2006, he was transferred to a Miami, Florida, jail to face criminal conspiracy charges. On August 16, 2007, José Padilla was found guilty, by a federal jury, of charges against him that he conspired to kill people in an overseas jihad and to fund and support overseas terrorism. He was widely described in media as a suspect of planning to build and explode a "dirty bomb" in the United States, but he was ultimately neither charged of this crime, nor convicted on such a charge.
633 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:44:09am |
re: #632 darthstar
The Bush administration dropped the "dirty bomb" charges because there was no evidence to support them. They held Padilla with no actual charges for 3 1/2 years.
From wiki:
I'm not arguing that.
634 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:44:17am |
re: #625 That's Glenn Beck to you
Congratulations Glenn. You are sooo deserving.
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.
635 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:44:19am |
re: #614 Mad Al-Jaffee
I didn't realize we had any DU fans here.
Now now, let's please stick to conservative crazies. Nothin to see here...move along...
636 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:44:35am |
re: #627 Ben Hur
I don't get your point.
You linked to a paragraph from a SF Gate (?) article from 2006 to show that he was tortured.
Actually, it was just claims from his defense team.
I did follow it at the time, and I know he was convicted.
He is not a victim- which is the point.
I'm not especially in the mood today to do your research for you.
Padilla was tortured. If you'd been following the case, as you claim, you'd know that.
637 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:45:16am |
re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Congratulations Glenn. You are sooo deserving.
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.
What an interesting curse.
:)
638 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:45:35am |
re: #636 iceweasel
I'm not especially in the mood today to do your research for you.
Padilla was tortured. If you'd been following the case, as you claim, you'd know that.
I'm sure he'll be released soon on appeal then.
639 | darthstar Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:45:45am |
re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Congratulations Glenn. You are sooo deserving.
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.
I'd be happy giving Beck one deer tick.
640 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:45:57am |
Since I'm snowed in at home..Working and watching movies..
My top movie picks:
Best mafia movie: Godfather 2
Best Hip-Hop Movie: Hustle&Flow
Best Gangsta movie: Get rich or die trying
Best old movie: African queen
Best kid's movie: Big
Best animation: Shreik
Best series: Band of Brothers
Best Comedy for the last 2 years: Tropic Thunder
641 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:46:01am |
re: #621 iceweasel
Padilla's mother, Estela Lebron, told CNN her son will appeal the verdict.
"I'm not surprised by anything in this place anymore," she said. "This is a Republican city."
I wonder if KSM gets convicted his mom will say that New York is a Democrat city !?!?!?
// (well ,,,, kinda!!))
642 | Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:47:03am |
re: #556 Killgore Trout
Religion of peace...
Man threatening to `kill all the Jews' taken off Miami flight, arrested
What a doofus. If he wants to "Kill all the Jews" there are a lot more of them in Miami than in Detroit.
/
644 | Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:48:34am |
re: #640 HoosierHoops
If you like gangsta movies you should also check out City of God (if you don't mind subtitles). It's a great movie.
646 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:49:10am |
re: #643 reine.de.tout
I don't think one should post to Rockwell...
648 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:49:36am |
re: #642 Alouette
What a doofus. If he wants to "Kill all the Jews" there are a lot more of them in Miami than in Detroit.
/
Most famous Jewish Wine
"I want to go to Miami"
(whine!!)
//
hey ,,, had a Jwish girlfreind tell me that one years ago,,so blame HER!!!
649 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:49:38am |
re: #643 reine.de.tout
OK.
I see the problem now.
Isolated confinement and sitting on little chairs and sleep deprivation are torture.
650 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:50:20am |
651 | Olsonist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:50:48am |
I'm having a little trouble following the 'logic' here. On the one hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying torture him, torture him. And on the other hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying he wasn't tortured, he wasn't tortured.
Imagine my confusion.
653 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:51:16am |
re: #625 That's Glenn Beck to you
I could not sleep last night.
I am so excited! I love award ceremonies!
I'd like to thank the academy for recognizing pure genus when they see it..
To my Tea bagging friends.. My racists buddies..My rightwingnuts brothers-in-arms.. Obama and all the rest..I proudly accept this award..
-Glenn Beck
654 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:51:51am |
re: #651 Olsonist
I'm having a little trouble following the 'logic' here. On the one hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying torture him, torture him. And on the other hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying he wasn't tortured, he wasn't tortured.
Imagine my confusion.
Imagine it indeed.
Point to one place where I said torture anyone.
Point to the crowd agreeing with me.
655 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:52:41am |
re: #651 Olsonist
I'm having a little trouble following the 'logic' here. On the one hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying torture him, torture him. And on the other hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying he wasn't tortured, he wasn't tortured.
Imagine my confusion.
I can imagine that you have a lot of experience dealing with terrorist cases and confinement.
656 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:52:42am |
re: #651 Olsonist
I'm having a little trouble following the 'logic' here. On the one hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying torture him, torture him. And on the other hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying he wasn't tortured, he wasn't tortured.
Imagine my confusion.
Except for the tongue in cheek answer Walter gave here [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] who advocated toturing anyone!?!?!
657 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:52:44am |
re: #594 Olsonist
I kind of like our legal system. Prosecuting people in open court with access to a defense attorney sort of separates us from the Chinas of the world.
Just my opinion.
I am also a fan. Call me crazy, I'm an old-fashioned girl.
658 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:54:22am |
re: #649 Ben Hur
OK.
I see the problem now.
Isolated confinement and sitting on little chairs and sleep deprivation are torture.
International flights in coach are out...
659 | A Man for all Seasons Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:55:23am |
re: #644 Killgore Trout
If you like gangsta movies you should also check out City of God (if you don't mind subtitles). It's a great movie.
I would love to play Denzel in American Gangster...
Great movie!
660 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:55:29am |
re: #638 Ben Hur
I'm sure he'll be released soon on appeal then.
He's guilty, and lawfully convicted in the federal criminal system, of various other acts.
Again, it is clear you have not been following this.
661 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:55:29am |
re: #650 reine.de.tout
ohhh - OK -
why?
IIRC, he was the ghost author of those racist Ron Paul news letters.
/80% sure, apologies if I'm not.
662 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:55:36am |
It's clear and and passes the purity test.
You have a convicted terrorist saying he was tortured ( as most are trained and do claim) and the US Gov saying he wasn't.
Of course. THe Gov is lying.
663 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:56:05am |
re: #597 RogueOne
There isn't any question about what his objective was, or if he might be innocent, so I don't see any moral obligation we have to treat him any differently than someone we picked up on the battlefield.
Simply that he isn't someone we picked up on the battlefield.
664 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:56:21am |
re: #660 iceweasel
He's guilty, and lawfully convicted in the federal criminal system, of various other acts.
Again, it is clear you have not been following this.
Clearly I have.
He's been tortured.
He'll appeal because he's been tortured.
He'll be released.
666 | karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:56:54am |
Padilla's accusations of being "torture" was detailed in a filing in the Southern District of Florida with excerpts posted here.
The torture was specified as -
1) being placed in solitary confinement
2) being deprived of a mattress and personal articles
3) being deprived of sleep due to the lack of said mattress
4) being subjected to different room temperatures and "noxious fumes" that made his eyes water and nose run
5) being placed in "stress positions" (unspecified)
6) being told by interrogators that he was in a different location than he was
7) being told at one point that he would be cut by a knife and had alcohol poured on his wounds.
Those are the allegations from his filing.
Denying Padilla counsel and due process was and is inexcusable.
As for torture, the specific actions taken against him as alleged (they are unproved and the accused have not been heard on the matter given that the court ruled against the motion without entertaining the allegations) simply are not torture. Torture is now a word that is sliding into "any discomfort experienced by a person held against his/her will" which denigrates the word and denigrates those who have actually been subjected to torture.
667 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:57:21am |
re: #651 Olsonist
I'm having a little trouble following the 'logic' here. On the one hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying torture him, torture him. And on the other hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying he wasn't tortured, he wasn't tortured.
Imagine my confusion.
It goes along with the claims that 'our legal system sucks' and 'the issue isn't the legal system'.
Doublethink. It's not just for Oceania any more!
668 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:58:01am |
re: #665 Olsonist
It's Walter.
Stick around.
You'll learn when some are being sarcastic.
Not all use the /, because it's not always neccesarry if you think people "know" you.
669 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:58:09am |
re: #661 Varek Raith
IIRC, he was the ghost author of those racist Ron Paul news letters.
/80% sure, apologies if I'm not.
670 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:58:48am |
re: #662 Ben Hur
It's clear and and passes the purity test.
You have a convicted terrorist saying he was tortured ( as most are trained and do claim) and the US Gov saying he wasn't.
Of course. THe Gov is lying.
Well, they did 'lose' his interrogation videos.
But of course you must have known that, seeing as how you've been following it so closely and are so very well informed on it.
671 | abolitionist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:59:03am |
A glint from Earth - The Galilean Revolution, 400 years later
Four hundred years ago tonight, a man from Pisa, Italy took a newly-made telescope with a magnifying power of 33X, pointed it at one of the brighter lights in the sky, and changed mankind forever.The man, of course, was Galileo, and the light he observed on January 7, 1610 was Jupiter. He spotted "three fixed stars" that were invisible to the eye near the planet, and a fourth a few days later.
Some things are worth celebrating.
672 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:59:28am |
re: #665 Olsonist
see #656
And if if it was not tongue in cheek, I think Walter would bristle at being called a "CROWD"!
673 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:59:48am |
re: #661 Varek Raith
IIRC, he was the ghost author of those racist Ron Paul news letters.
/80% sure, apologies if I'm not.
OH.
Well.
Thanks for the info.
He was not the only link to the torture charges.
674 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:00:53am |
re: #651 Olsonist
I'm having a little trouble following the 'logic' here. On the one hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying torture him, torture him. And on the other hand we have the Ben Hur crowd saying he wasn't tortured, he wasn't tortured.
Imagine my confusion.
Where did Ben Hur say "torture him"? you can just link to the post.
And any others you find . . .
675 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:00:57am |
re: #666 karmic_inquisitor
3) being deprived of sleep due to the lack of said mattress
Hell ,,, I could fall asleep on top of a picket fence
Wuss!!
676 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:01:12am |
re: #666 karmic_inquisitor
Padilla's accusations of being "torture" was detailed in a filing in the Southern District of Florida with excerpts posted here.
The torture was specified as -
1) being placed in solitary confinement
2) being deprived of a mattress and personal articles
3) being deprived of sleep due to the lack of said mattress
4) being subjected to different room temperatures and "noxious fumes" that made his eyes water and nose run
5) being placed in "stress positions" (unspecified)
6) being told by interrogators that he was in a different location than he was
7) being told at one point that he would be cut by a knife and had alcohol poured on his wounds.Those are the allegations from his filing.
Denying Padilla counsel and due process was and is inexcusable.
As for torture, the specific actions taken against him as alleged (they are unproved and the accused have not been heard on the matter given that the court ruled against the motion without entertaining the allegations) simply are not torture. Torture is now a word that is sliding into "any discomfort experienced by a person held against his/her will" which denigrates the word and denigrates those who have actually been subjected to torture.
I'd have updinged you for this, but holding someone in extended solitary confinement like that does rise to the level of torture, as do the stress positions permitted under the EIT: the 'enhanced interrogation techniques' promoted under the Bush admin.
677 | Varek Raith Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:01:16am |
re: #673 reine.de.tout
OH.
Well.
Thanks for the info.
He was not the only link to the torture charges.
No worries. :)
678 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:02:00am |
re: #674 reine.de.tout
Where did Ben Hur say "torture him"? you can just link to the post.
And any others you find . . .
see 656
679 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:02:16am |
re: #663 SanFranciscoZionist
Simply that he isn't someone we picked up on the battlefield.
Depends on how you classify "battlefield", as far as he was concerned the flight to detroit was a military target. You're arguing because he wanted to kill people here instead of afghanistan that somehow makes him eligible for better treatment. That isn't something I'm going to be able to agree with.
680 | Olsonist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:02:46am |
re: #670 iceweasel
If this was more poetic, I'd call it a willing suspension of disbelief. But it sounds more Nixonian; so I'll call it plausible deniability.
681 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:04:10am |
re: #666 karmic_inquisitor
Denying Padilla counsel and due process was and is inexcusable.
Our courts and elected officials decided otherwise.
682 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:04:11am |
re: #665 Olsonist
Did you real Ice's question and my answer, or didn't you. She asked what the military could possibly do that law enforcement would do.
Torture him... you don't agree that they might do that?
683 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:04:15am |
re: #670 iceweasel
Well, they did 'lose' his interrogation videos.
But of course you must have known that, seeing as how you've been following it so closely and are so very well informed on it.
Amazing how closely you did from Scotland.
And I gather t's your ideology apparently, that leads you to defend a terrorist over the US government till the end.
Unless this is really about Obama Bush and the Patriot Act.
We're settled now.
Padilla victim.
US Gov. terrorist.
Later.
684 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:05:18am |
re: #679 RogueOne
I was typing something similar as you posted that
New type of enemy, new type of war, new paradigm of what a 'battlefield' is
Thanks
685 | Ben Hur Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:05:42am |
re: #676 iceweasel
I'd have updinged you for this, but holding someone in extended solitary confinement like that does rise to the level of torture, as do the stress positions permitted under the EIT: the 'enhanced interrogation techniques' promoted under the Bush admin.
Last word:
Start watching "Locked Up" on MSNBC and the "World's Most Dangerous Prisons" on the History Channel.
686 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:05:48am |
re: #683 Ben Hur
And I wasn't being sarcastic... the military could torture him.
687 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:06:07am |
re: #679 RogueOne
Depends on how you classify "battlefield", as far as he was concerned the flight to detroit was a military target. You're arguing because he wanted to kill people here instead of afghanistan that somehow makes him eligible for better treatment. That isn't something I'm going to be able to agree with.
No, I'm arguing that we have the means to try him in a civilian court, as has become common practice with terror suspects apprehended on U.S. soil, and that I think we should continue with that practice.
688 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:06:54am |
re: #683 Ben Hur
Amazing how closely you did from Scotland..
Yes, amazing that an American, who was living in America, and is currently still living in America, cares enough about America to have been following this case.
Less amazing? That you're now resorting to the old and tired insinuation that I am not American.
Later is right. Idiot.
689 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:07:12am |
re: #687 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I'm arguing that we have the means to try him in a civilian court, as has become common practice with terror suspects apprehended on U.S. soil, and that I think we should continue with that practice.
What other examples do we have of terrorist receiving convictions from a civilian court?
690 | Olsonist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:07:55am |
re: #682 Walter L. Newton
I did see her question. I take it that you are in favor of torture and in particular in favor of torturing the XMas day bomber, no?
691 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:07:58am |
692 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:08:27am |
re: #689 Walter L. Newton
What other examples do we have of terrorist receiving convictions from a civilian court?
About 195 of them under the Bush admin.
693 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:08:51am |
694 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:09:32am |
re: #689 Walter L. Newton
What other examples do we have of terrorist receiving convictions from a civilian court?
Richard Reid springs to mind.
695 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:10:21am |
re: #690 Olsonist
I did see her question. I take it that you are in favor of torture and in particular in favor of torturing the XMas day bomber, no?
No... I was pointing out why some people want the military to take care of these people.
Hey, reading is comprehension. If you check up above, no one else even asked me that question. What the hell's your problem?
696 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:10:40am |
697 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:10:44am |
698 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:10:56am |
re: #683 Ben Hur
Amazing how closely you did from Scotland.
And I gather t's your ideology apparently, that leads you to defend a terrorist over the US government till the end.
By the way, a big and hearty fuck you for this gem.
699 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:11:12am |
re: #692 iceweasel
About 195 of them under the Bush admin.
Correct. I was hoping that someone would make the point, you did.
700 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:11:27am |
701 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:11:47am |
702 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:12:39am |
re: #701 Walter L. Newton
He confessed. Important to make the distinction.
What distinction are we making?
703 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:13:28am |
re: #697 SanFranciscoZionist
Zacarias Moussaoui.
re: #700 SanFranciscoZionist
True. What's that got to do with it?
Those two were not prosecuted, they confessed and they were convicted. There is a difference.
And read my comments up thread, I have no problem with criminal courts handling most of these people.
704 | Olsonist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:13:31am |
re: #686 Walter L. Newton
Thanks Walter. We'll have to disagree about this for now, cuz I gotta go. For the record, I'm anti-torture not because as Ben Hur seems to want to think because I'm pro-bad guy. I'm anti-torture because it doesn't work and because we're better than that, but mostly because it doesn't work.
705 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:14:46am |
re: #704 Olsonist
Thanks Walter. We'll have to disagree about this for now, cuz I gotta go. For the record, I'm anti-torture not because as Ben Hur seems to want to think because I'm pro-bad guy. I'm anti-torture because it doesn't work and because we're better than that, but mostly because it doesn't work.
Disagree with what? Are you fucking reading what I am saying, I am against torture... what do you want me to do, sign a confession?
706 | sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:15:36am |
re: #705 Walter L. Newton
Disagree with what? Are you fucking reading what I am saying, I am against torture... what do you want me to do, sign a confession?
You would do that without even a nipple clip applied to you!?!?!?
/
707 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:16:03am |
re: #703 Walter L. Newton
Those two were not prosecuted, they confessed and they were convicted. There is a difference.
And read my comments up thread, I have no problem with criminal courts handling most of these people.
Fair enough. I'm just baffled as to why a procedure we've been following for years has suddenly become so inadequate to so many people. It seems to work fine.
708 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:16:11am |
re: #706 sattv4u2
You would do that without even a nipple clip applied to you!?!?!?
/
I got to start the car to warm it up... bbiab
709 | reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:16:20am |
re: #704 Olsonist
Thanks Walter. We'll have to disagree about this for now, cuz I gotta go. For the record, I'm anti-torture not because as Ben Hur seems to want to think because I'm pro-bad guy. I'm anti-torture because it doesn't work and because we're better than that, but mostly because it doesn't work.
Please read what Walter has said. He was answering a question, not advocating torture.
Again, Walter is against torture, his response "torture them" was in response to a question, not an advocacy FOR torture.
710 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:16:50am |
re: #687 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I'm arguing that we have the means to try him in a civilian court, as has become common practice with terror suspects apprehended on U.S. soil, and that I think we should continue with that practice.
We also have the means to hold him as a military detainee. After Richard Reid we decided we needed a better way to deal with some of these people, hence the whole Padilla situation. My only point is that these issues should be dealt with on a case by case basis and in this case the panty bomber likely has info we need that we cannot get in a civilian arena.
711 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:17:18am |
re: #689 Walter L. Newton
What other examples do we have of terrorist receiving convictions from a civilian court?
Both Reid and Padilla were tried in civilian courts.
712 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:19:43am |
re: #711 RogueOne
Both Reid and Padilla were tried in civilian courts.
Reid was not tried, he confessed.
713 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:21:02am |
re: #710 RogueOne
We also have the means to hold him as a military detainee. After Richard Reid we decided we needed a better way to deal with some of these people, hence the whole Padilla situation. My only point is that these issues should be dealt with on a case by case basis and in this case the panty bomber likely has info we need that we cannot get in a civilian arena.
We have the means, I just don't see that we have the justification or the need.
714 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:21:08am |
I'm going to post this again because I think people should read the latest ruling regarding detainees held at gitmo:
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
The international laws of war do not limit the U.S. government's power to detain suspected terrorists or their supporters at Guantanamo Bay, the D.C. Circuit ruled in a decision meant to "narrow the legal uncertainty that clouds military detention."
715 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:21:09am |
re: #711 RogueOne
Both Reid and Padilla were tried in civilian courts.
My point being, people argue this issue and they don't even know who was prosecuted, who confessed, who this, who that... I wish people would get facts straight first... And then you have people like Olsenist who can't even read.
716 | Buck Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:21:33am |
re: #666 karmic_inquisitor
Denying Padilla counsel and due process was and is inexcusable.
And yet that is what is being suggested should happen to the Diaper Bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.
717 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:23:18am |
re: #713 SanFranciscoZionist
We have the means, I just don't see that we have the justification or the need.
I think catching someone in the act gives us the justification. He wasn't captured due to good police work but because he failed in the process of committing a terrorist act.
718 | karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:23:20am |
re: #676 iceweasel
I'd have updinged you for this, but holding someone in extended solitary confinement like that does rise to the level of torture, as do the stress positions permitted under the EIT: the 'enhanced interrogation techniques' promoted under the Bush admin.
If we are speaking about laws and lawfulness (which I think both of us support) then "rising to the level of torture" should not come down to opposing assertions but a standard by which facts can be judged.
Yes - The EITs specified in the CIAs Inspector General's report are now (de facto) considered torture.
Not only does that include stress positions, but it also includes -
Walling - which is shoving the captive against a wall that is designed to "give way" such that the captive cannot be harmed, but perceives that he/she was shoved up against a wall nonetheless
* Belly Slapping - self explanatory.
* Slapping of any kind - self explanatory.
* Shaking - Shaking the captive so as to jar him/her.
* Holding - Firmly holding the captive.
That is not the exhaustive list - it also includes temperature control and sleep deprivation, which Padilla alleges to have endured. And the list also includes waterboarding.
The list did not include being placed in solitary confinement and being deprived of a window as torture. Oddly, Padilla's allegations in his file contain a particular contradiction that might invite some skepticism of his allegations - he alleges that he would be "kept up at night" and then interrogated in the morning while also alleging that he was deprived of any means to sense when day or night were taking place (eg - window, clock and other personal effects).
So - I am wondering if there is a lawful standard recognized in the US where solitary confinement with no windows and personal effects rises to the standard of torture?
Solitary confinement is common and lawful in the US - California built Pelican Bay prison and opened it in 1989 for the purpose of exclusively holding prisoners in solitary confinement 22 1/2 hours each day.
719 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:23:36am |
re: #715 Walter L. Newton
My point being, people argue this issue and they don't even know who was prosecuted, who confessed, who this, who that... I wish people would get facts straight first... And then you have people like Olsenist who can't even read.
Yeah, I should have caught up before I posted that.
720 | Buck Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:24:47am |
re: #705 Walter L. Newton
Disagree with what? Are you fucking reading what I am saying, I am against torture... what do you want me to do, sign a confession?
I think you have a case for complaint. You are being tortured.
(Just for the record, sometimes you say what you DON'T mean. You have got me a couple of times with that. So reading what your saying is not the same as knowing what you mean.)
721 | karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:24:56am |
re: #716 Buck
And yet that is what is being suggested should happen to the Diaper Bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.
By whom? Whacked out wingers? They suggest all sorts of crap.
722 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:25:10am |
re: #717 RogueOne
I think catching someone in the act gives us the justification. He wasn't captured due to good police work but because he failed in the process of committing a terrorist act.
Huh? I'm sorry, but are you suggesting that we should try in the U.S. if he'd been detected through police work?
723 | ryannon Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:25:44am |
re: #452 abolitionist
Please do not feed the trolls. (I suspect this pic was fauxtoshopped.)
All God's creatures seek love:
724 | Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:26:52am |
re: #720 Buck
I think you have a case for complaint. You are being tortured.
(Just for the record, sometimes you say what you DON'T mean. You have got me a couple of times with that. So reading what your saying is not the same as knowing what you mean.)
That's why everyone has to pay attention. I am the sum of all my parts, not just one part.
725 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:29:27am |
re: #722 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm not advocating for that position but it's an argument that I think has merit. If he were caught due to actual police work, meaning they had already done an investigation and knew the what/why/where stuff then not classifying him as a military detainee and tossing him in a civilian jail makes more sense to me. But that isn't the case here, In this case they had zero idea of what he was up to until his bomb failed. We still have all the questions without a good way of getting definitive answers unless he were classified as a military detainee and held under military rules.
726 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:30:28am |
BRB, they just cancelled the schools and my sis-in-law is afraid to drive herself home.
727 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:35:25am |
re: #718 karmic_inquisitor
So - I am wondering if there is a lawful standard recognized in the US where solitary confinement with no windows and personal effects rises to the standard of torture?Solitary confinement is common and lawful in the US - California built Pelican Bay prison and opened it in 1989 for the purpose of exclusively holding prisoners in solitary confinement 22 1/2 hours each day.
It's the extended forms of solitary confinement that don't include the breaks you mention that (imo) rise to the level of torture.
I'll come back to this thread later with links about the mental health effects. I believe there is at least one case in the US where it was ruled that the conditions that prisoner existed under rose to the level of 'cruel and inhuman' treatment; the CA and IL prisons that employ it adjusted their guidelines accordingly (22 1/2, not 24 hr). I can't recall it at the moment but I'll find it.
For the record, I do support solitary confinement along the lines of the CA prison, particularly for the most violent and dangerous prisoners (and Death Row). To some extent that's because there solitary confinement is necessary to protect the guards themselves, and isn't being used as a form of punishment at all, but as a necessary concommitant to holding people like that and protecting those tasked with holding them.
728 | Buck Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:37:45am |
re: #724 Walter L. Newton
That's why everyone has to pay attention.
Yep, that would be one choice. Stop taking you seriously at all is another.
Fool me twice....
(All in good humour Walter, just ribbing you.)
729 | BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:40:26am |
re: #720 Buck
I think you have a case for complaint. You are being tortured.
(Just for the record, sometimes you say what you DON'T mean. You have got me a couple of times with that. So reading what your saying is not the same as knowing what you mean.)
Well, while it is fairly well-known that Walter leaves off the sarc tag, what is less well-known is that I often upding to acknowledge his sarcasm in those cases, now that I know him. I assume he knows me well enough to know when I'm doing that.
He caught me a couple of times in the beginning too, but it's all part of The Walter Experience, without which we would all be the poorer. Absolutely no sarcasm about that.
730 | Buck Thu, Jan 7, 2010 10:40:40am |
re: #721 karmic_inquisitor
By whom? Whacked out wingers? They suggest all sorts of crap.
I won't link to a site, but you can google this.
Rasmussen:
Fifty-eight percent (58%) of U.S. voters say waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques should be used to gain information from the terrorist who attempted to bomb an airliner on Christmas Day.
731 | karmic_inquisitor Thu, Jan 7, 2010 11:21:48am |
re: #730 Buck
You are illustrating why we have laws. Mob rule doesn't work that well.
What also doesn't work is allowing the definition of torture to expand so as to encompass any discomfort experienced by a captive, thereby making intelligence gathering from religious zealots bent on our destruction a bit more difficult than say, serving them tea and asking if they slept well. Torture is now a fungible term and is often whipped out as a morality stick against anyone seeking to treat enemy combatants differently than criminals such as drug dealers.
We need lawful standards. But when we hand terrorists the ability to pretend that they are just civilians while they are in fact fighting as an organized force in the cause of establishing religious rule over all of mankind we end up -
1) providing them both "cover and concealment" and "battlefield access" in terms of warfighting, and
2) the means to use rights under our laws (which they'd abolish upon achieving power) to prevent the disruption of their efforts and the successful suppression of their agents.
This is either a war or it is not. We have laws of war. We have civilian laws. One set of laws needs to be amended so as to effectively combat an existential threat to our free society.
What frustrates me is that there seems to be a stubborn insistence that we are handing terrorists a victory when we amend civilians laws to deal with terrorists and the advantages they seek via our laws. That frustration is compounded when seeking discussion of amending laws of war (be it the UCMJ or the Geneva Conventions) is also reduced to an amoral act of trying to legalize torture, usurp the Constitution, or bring shame on America because "we don't fight wars that way."
Wars are ended when one side sees an "ever worsening situation" and capitulates to make that situation go away (Clausewitz's definition). One can imagine the US experiencing progressively more and worse terror attacks over time were it unable to adapt new means of foiling attack (given that Al Qaeda often designs methods of attack that exploit our laws, at least according to the 9/11 Commission report). That would be an ever worsening situation and one can imagine making small concessions in hopes of a peace of sorts. Yet given the aims of the enemy, the religious absolutism that motivates it, and the reward we would hand them, it is prudent to expect the situation to worsen again in a short while.
Point being that fighting this particular war requires that we are willing and able to adapt our laws to the situation as it changes by the initiative of the enemy. Creating a rhetorical castle of absolutism wherein neither amending civilian law nor the law of war is allowable because of the moral costs gets us nowhere.
In all of that I am not trying to strawman you - you didn't claim these things I am bitching about. I am simply laying out a rant of sorts against some of the absolutism regarding "lawfulness" that I deal with often and many seem to think that laws can't be changed while our system is set up not only to allow change but to encourage it. That, coupled with the ever elusive standard that is "torture" (yet the very clear moral tone with which it is employed) just frustrates the crap out of me.
732 | RogueOne Thu, Jan 7, 2010 11:40:15am |
re: #731 karmic_inquisitor
I am simply laying out a rant of sorts against some of the absolutism regarding "lawfulness" that I deal with often and many seem to think that laws can't be changed while our system is set up not only to allow change but to encourage it.
Judge brown, in the decision I linked earlier, said virtually the same thing:
The law must "adjust" to unconventional warfare, Brown added in a separate concurring opinion. "It must recognize that the old wineskins of international law, domestic criminal procedure, or other prior frameworks are ill-suited to the bitter wine of this new warfare."
733 | Buck Thu, Jan 7, 2010 11:53:41am |
re: #731 karmic_inquisitor
You are illustrating why we have laws. Mob rule doesn't work that well.
Actually what I am illustrating is that it is not just "Whacked out wingers".
Even if we don't waterboard him (and you might know that I am on the waterboarding is NOT torture side), the poll does make the point that the voters are interested in trading security for liberty, if the liberty in question is some scum terrorist.
735 | thor1066 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 3:27:51pm |
There is a Leprechaun web cam in Ireland.
It allows you to report sightings,
All I've seen so far is the tree in the field of view
736 | wrenchwench Thu, Jan 7, 2010 3:46:52pm |
re: #735 thor1066
Welcome, delayed hatchling. Tough shell?
737 | thor1066 Thu, Jan 7, 2010 9:30:44pm |
re:736
Wench,been here a long time,love the breadth of comments,sublime and informative to the moronic.I have developed a fondness for the likes of Mama Winger,Cato the elder and others,reminds me of me days sitting in the Quarry House in Silver Spring.Carpenters,programmers,salesmen,photographers,and an ex liason from the CIA to the FBI all called it their watering hole.You would stumble out a little stupid and much enlightened.