Re: Threats

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The Huffington Post has a piece about James Rainey’s interview with me in the Los Angeles Times, focusing on threats I’ve received recently: Charles Johnson Got Threats After Breaking With Right, Relocated.

Some conservative readers were apparently not pleased with Johnson’s critique. In a profile of Johnson, the LA Times reports that the blogger moved into a gated community partly due to violent right-wing threats.

As I talked to Johnson in his office, an alert flashed on one of his two giant computer monitors. An angry screed targeting him on another website concluded: “I think a visit to Mr. Johnson’s home might be warranted. Anybody got his address?”

Such veiled threats are at least one reason why Johnson, 56, relocated not long ago. He remains in the Los Angeles area, but now is in a gated community.

The impression this gives is slightly misleading; a lot of people seem to be interpreting this to mean I moved because of threats I’ve received. So to clarify — that’s not really true. I did not move recently just because of receiving threats. The extra security was one factor, but not the only one; in other words, yes, I’ve received threats, but they are not the only (or even the main) reason why I live where I do.

Another point — I haven’t only gotten threats from right-wingers, either. Since Little Green Footballs began, I’ve had the privilege of being threatened by a rich panoply of unsavory humans: militant Islamists who wanted to cut my throat, neo-Nazis (in particular, Bill White, friend of white supremacist blogger Robert Stacy McCain) who tried to find my home address and post it on the web, and lots of random threats posted on blogs that were less specific.

Since Rainey’s piece mentions one of those “veiled threats” that actually appeared while he was interviewing me, here’s a link to it. The comment in question is at Ryan Mauro’s blog, at David Horowitz’s Newsreal website. It’s been posted for three days.

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162 comments
1 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:17:12am

"Veiled" seems to be a pretty broad term. Or that particular veil is very gauzy and transparent.

2 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:17:28am
Another point — I haven’t only gotten threats from right-wingers, either. Since Little Green Footballs began, I’ve been threatened by a rich panoply of unsavory humans: militant Islamists who wanted to cut my throat, neo-Nazis (Bill White, friend of white supremacist blogger Robert Stacy McCain) who tried to find my home address and post it on the web, etc.

I would never have expected less of you, but it needs to be said out loud: Thanks for not conflating right-wingers and neo-nazis.

3 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:19:35am

Like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, author of Infidel, you have to move to be safe.

4 Girth  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:19:52am

I hate Illinois Nazis.

5 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:20:13am

This is the sanest place in my cyberworld ...

6 Kronocide  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:20:50am

You got my email Charles: I've done a lot of residential and commercial security over the last 20+ years. I'm sure you have a lot of contingencies already but the offer is always open.

Stay safe, please.

7 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:21:29am

All kidding aside, though, I don't know that I'd be able or even willing to carry on in public following even one credible threat or even the possibility of one materializing.

As Bacon (Sir Francis, not Kevin) said, I have hostages to fortune.

8 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:22:05am

...and speaking of Ryan Mauro, I found an interesting backgrounder by Walid Phares from this past August, on the state of Wahabbist influence in Nigeria. I did my due diligence on the website, which I'd never heard of, and saw a thank-you to Mauro on the About page. So, no link.

9 Locker  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:22:32am

Fuck the haters.

10 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:24:31am

re: #4 Girth

I hate Illinois Nazis.

"I've always loved you."

11 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:25:40am

This is a great site to come to for the facts. Thanks Charles and keep hitting these idiots up-side the head with the facts.

12 pharmmajor  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:28:00am

Unfortunately, Charles, some of the radicals on HuffPo are actually saying that you brought these problems on yourself. One poster said that you "helped create the raging monster of the teabaggers", another called the gated community you moved to a "whites-only neocon enclave." There's a lot more nonsense, further proving that the far left and the far right are equally hateful and batshit insane.

13 Dante41  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:28:22am

re: #10 The Sanity Inspector

"I've always loved you."

"Y'all want an orange whip? Orange whip? Orange whip? Three orange whips."

14 Soap_Man  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:29:06am

re: #12 pharmmajor

Unfortunately, Charles, some of the radicals on HuffPo are actually saying that you brought these problems on yourself. One poster said that you "helped create the raging monster of the teabaggers", another called the gated community you moved to a "whites-only neocon enclave." There's a lot more nonsense, further proving that the far left and the far right are equally hateful and batshit insane.

Eh, fuck 'em.

15 pharmmajor  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:30:53am

re: #14 Soap_Man

Eh, fuck 'em.

Good point. As internet critic Lewis Lovhaug would say, "A pox on both houses."

16 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:31:03am

It is most unfortunate that these creeps seem to get the publicity they obviously crave without suffering any apparent consequences.
Any blogger who makes a threat of violence, even anonymously, should have their real name and email address published and be reported to the police.

17 blueraven  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:31:08am

Speaking of white supremacist. I watched this very disturbing video last night. Shouldn't have done that, had trouble sleeping afterward. But maybe in the daylight it wont look so scary...doubt it though. It is long, about 25 min, but an in depth report on these groups and how they are going after the tea party crowd, as well as returning military. Some have been candidates for political office, hiding behind innocent sounding organizations.

Stay safe Charles.


Youtube Video
18 Dante41  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:31:44am

re: #15 pharmmajor

Good point. As internet critic Lewis Lovhaug would say, "A pox on both houses."

Woo! Random Linkara shout out ftw!

19 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:32:52am

This is a great post for sharing with my interested friends and the lurkers. Leave it to the media to emphasize the dramatic reason to move rather than the pragmatics. On politics-"Right" and "Left" is often perceived as one or the other, which is just stupid.

It also points out how hazardous the internet really is. It provides cover for the real trolls. I mean the violent kind, not just the harsh posts kind.

People get internet / computer complacent. Kids being exposed to adult content. Social networks are being abused by sex offenders and stalkers. Threats to abortion doctors. And even non violent thinkers and bloggers like Charles Johnson along with some long time posters here. As (I hope) a former noob, I was really taken aback by that. To me that is the most disturbing part. All it takes is a well known contrary opinion.

20 Dante41  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:33:20am

And on topic: Fuck the haters, Charles. The crazier they get, the farther they fall.

21 Soap_Man  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:34:15am

re: #15 pharmmajor

Good point. As internet critic Lewis Lovhaug would say, "A pox on both houses."

As I'm sure most people who visit this site already know, craziness is not trait that is exclusive to one political party. Not in America or anywhere else in the world.

22 ulmsey123  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:38:12am

Nobody loves a good argument more than I. And political argument is an important thing in our society. The issues must be discussed and passionate discussion is a healthy thing.
To abandon logic and resort to threats and perpetration of violence is simply horrific. We all have our opinions and we must respect the views of others even in the midst of debate.
I recall in 1984 I attended a Mondale rally in Paramus NJ with a friend who had not chosen a candidate to vote for yet. When an attendee asked me who I was voting for, I replied Reagan. This person proceeded to begin choking me and yelling that I wanted to destroy the world in a nuclear war. My friend was a big guy and quickly handled my assailant. (for the record, I am against destroying the world in a nuclear war)
We made a bee line for the door. It was an angry crowd to say the least.

Argument and protests are good things. But when people run out of thoughts (or never had any) and become animals, it's just ugly.

Play nice out there.

23 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:38:18am

re: #13 Dante41

"Y'all want an orange whip? Orange whip? Orange whip? Three orange whips."

"That ain't no Hank Williams song!"

24 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:38:25am

re: #16 Spare O'Lake

It is most unfortunate that these creeps seem to get the publicity they obviously crave without suffering any apparent consequences.
Any blogger who makes a threat of violence, even anonymously, should have their real name and email address published and be reported to the police.

And bog owners should have a legal duty not only to remove such comments immediately and to ban the perpetrator, but also to report such threats to the police.

Freedom of speech has limits, and direct or indirect personal threats of physical violence are over the line.

25 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:39:34am

Another instance in which Islamists and Nazis find common ground.

26 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:39:43am

re: #1 wrenchwench

"Veiled" seems to be a pretty broad term. Or that particular veil is very gauzy and transparent.

You know, like those little bits of tulle that pull down over the face that you see on old-fashioned lady's hats.

27 TampaKnight  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:39:45am

The HuffPo has some absolute nut job idiots. Just reading the comments there is enough to make me vomit, as many ultra left wingers claim that Charles deserves threats for his past postings, being a conservative, supporting McCain, etc.

I give to you this gem:

"I have very little sympathy for this man. He helped create a monster that has gotten out of control and now comes home to roost"

28 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:39:59am

re: #24 Spare O'Lake

blog
PIMF

29 Dante41  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:41:14am

re: #25 MandyManners

Another instance in which Islamists and Nazis find common ground.

It is amazing how they can be so different, and yet so alike.

30 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:41:42am

re: #27 TampaKnight

I got this but with a good reply (apologies for their caps)

I don't know this fellow, but it seems that a person should be prepared to stand by his words. I am no hero myself, but to move to a gated community may make a statement about backbone.
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 01/09/2010
- + Cil

"but to move to a gated community may make a statement about backbone" (?)

To say the least, your statement is quite strange, I would really like to see your reaction, should those threats be aimed in your direction! My guess is that YOU WOULD NOT MOVE TO A GATED COMMUNITY.........no waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
NO you would just move to a different COUNTRY...............
BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF SUPER HUMAN BACKBONE!!!!!!!!!!!

31 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:41:45am

re: #27 TampaKnight

The HuffPo has some absolute nut job idiots. Just reading the comments there is enough to make me vomit, as many ultra left wingers claim that Charles deserves threats for his past postings, being a conservative, supporting McCain, etc.

I give to you this gem:

"I have very little sympathy for this man. He helped create a monster that has gotten out of control and now comes home to roost"

I don't remember asking for this idiot's sympathy, either.

32 ProdSlash  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:42:07am

re: #12 pharmmajor

What utter nonsense.

33 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:42:14am

re: #25 MandyManners

Another instance in which Islamists and Nazis find common ground.

re: #29 Dante41

It is amazing how they can be so different, and yet so alike.

Handjar Division.

34 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:42:18am

re: #12 pharmmajor

Unfortunately, Charles, some of the radicals on HuffPo are actually saying that you brought these problems on yourself. One poster said that you "helped create the raging monster of the teabaggers", another called the gated community you moved to a "whites-only neocon enclave." There's a lot more nonsense, further proving that the far left and the far right are equally hateful and batshit insane.

That's the same mindset that blames a woman for rape.

35 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:43:30am

re: #28 Spare O'Lake

blog
PIMF

I liked bog better--a lot of commenters you see are little better than toilet stall graffitists, anyway!

36 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:44:11am

re: #29 Dante41

It is amazing how they can be so different, and yet so alike.

Actually, they're pretty close in the points of view. Remember the Haj.

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:44:14am

re: #31 Charles

I don't remember asking for this idiot's sympathy, either.

If moving to a gated community shows a lack of backbone, does the fact that I live in a non-gated apartment building suggest great courage and character? Because that would be cool, and make me feel better about the amount of rent I'm paying.

/

38 TampaKnight  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:44:17am

I'm often amazed and disgusted at what people will write on the internet when hiding behind the guise of a screen name. It's like their own personal license to be an idiot.

39 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:44:56am

re: #27 TampaKnight

The HuffPo has some absolute nut job idiots. Just reading the comments there is enough to make me vomit, as many ultra left wingers claim that Charles deserves threats for his past postings, being a conservative, supporting McCain, etc.

I give to you this gem:

"I have very little sympathy for this man. He helped create a monster that has gotten out of control and now comes home to roost"

So, *that* is what Jeremiah Wright's been up to lately.

40 blueraven  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:44:57am

re: #27 TampaKnight

I agree. HuffPo has become unreadable to me, other than skimming headlines. However, just want to say there are increasingly more and more ultra right wingers posting there as well. There is very little serious debate on that site. It is the worst of both sides.

41 Dante41  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:45:09am

re: #38 TampaKnight

I'm often amazed and disgusted at what people will write on the internet when hiding behind the guise of a screen name. It's like their own personal license to be an idiot.

Don't forget the good Dr. Gabriel's theory.

42 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:45:23am

Just one more comment from Huffpo-and a very nice one actually-
From "Justaminute"
I checked out LGF a couple of months ago and was pleasantly surprised. As a progressive democrat with a firm belief in the two party system, I believe that the conservatives on LGF are the ones we should encourage. From what I gather they are pro-science; do not deny global warming, advocate gay rights; believe in a womans right to choose. I believe that if they represented the Republican Party, America would be better off. IMHO I think Charles Johnson is a brave man to have seen what was happening to his party and said that this is not his party. We should encourage this not denigrate it.

43 observations  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:45:35am

"Ulmsey 123" You nailed it, well said.

44 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:47:50am

re: #24 Spare O'Lake

And blog owners should have a legal duty not only to remove such comments immediately and to ban the perpetrator, but also to report such threats to the police.

Agree on the first two points, but I can tell you from experience that the police don't really care much about the third point, unless the threat is very specific and direct.

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:48:14am

re: #40 blueraven

I agree. HuffPo has become unreadable to me, other than skimming headlines. However, just want to say there are increasingly more and more ultra right wingers posting there as well. There is very little serious debate on that site. It is the worst of both sides.

They have some very good writers working for them, but the general tenor of the site is wacked out.

46 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:49:41am

How about the post following the threat one, where the "rightblogger" is mostly concerned with the health of the one threatening.?

To paraphrase; if it could be determined that Charles doesn't carry a gun, it might be ok to visit.

47 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:49:52am

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

They have some very good writers working for them, but the general tenor of the site is wacked out.

sounds like the English department at any good university.

48 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:50:09am

re: #32 ProdSlash

Welcome, hatchling.

49 TampaKnight  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:50:23am

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

They have some very good writers working for them, but the general tenor of the site is wacked out.

Eh, when I saw the likes of Michael Moore and Alec Baldwin chiming in...I tuned out for good.

50 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:52:01am

I don't know what's the big deal about a "gated community" anyway. Everyone knows airports have lots of gates.

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:52:08am

re: #49 TampaKnight

Eh, when I saw the likes of Michael Moore and Alec Baldwin chiming in...I tuned out for good.

They had a very good essay a couple of weeks ago, pointing out the hypocrisy of the Code Pink march to Gaza. I enjoyed it greatly!

Didn't read ANY of the comments.

52 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:53:14am

re: #12 pharmmajor

... another called the gated community you moved to a "whites-only neocon enclave."

Hah! Actually couldn't be further from the truth.

53 Soap_Man  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:54:12am

re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist

Didn't read ANY of the comments.

That's true for any site I visit, except this one. You can go to any site and read a seemingly benign story and people still bust out the crazy in the comment section.

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:55:35am

re: #53 Soap_Man

That's true for any site I visit, except this one. You can go to any site and read a seemingly benign story and people still bust out the crazy in the comment section.

The stories about the gang rape at the school in Richmond broke me on comments. It was too horrifically racist and weird, all the crap people were writing.

55 TampaKnight  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:57:30am

I'm always amused when liberals label any sign of wealth as a sign of a typical Republican.

Apparently they don't know, or care, how many ultra wealthy liberals there are. Look no further than Hollywood.

56 Soap_Man  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:58:01am

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

The stories about the gang rape at the school in Richmond broke me on comments. It was too horrifically racist and weird, all the crap people were writing.

A friend told me his college paper's website had to shut down its comment section for good because of the shit they were getting on a story they wrote about rape statistics at the school. I won't repeat the comments he told me about, but he said almost all of them fell into the "she asked for it" category.

Disgusting.

57 Dante41  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:58:29am

re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist

The stories about the gang rape at the school in Richmond broke me on comments. It was too horrifically racist and weird, all the crap people were writing.

Always take into account John Gabriel's Greater Internet Dickwad theory:

Normal Person+Anonymity+Audience=Total Dickwad

Here is a handy graphical version.

58 Kronocide  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:58:55am

re: #17 blueraven

Yes, scary, but very good video. Thanks for posting it.

59 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:59:42am

re: #55 TampaKnight

I'm always amused when liberals label any sign of wealth as a sign of a typical Republican.

Apparently they don't know, or care, how many ultra wealthy liberals there are. Look no further than Hollywood.

Or, the Kennedys. Or, the Pelosis. Or, the Heinz-Kerrys. Or, the Gores.

60 William of Orange  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:59:48am

Was to be expected. We've seen a lot of exaggeration on the right, but the left also does it's best doing that. I call myself a moderate and I never had to read between the lines. It was pretty clear what Charles was saying and that moving house had to do with security, but that that was only one of several factors why to move in the first place.

Selective journalism, that's what it is. Cherrypicking the juicy bits.

61 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:00:30pm

re: #46 Naso Tang

Exactly why I like it that some percentage of the population (larger among the threatened citizens) are armed. There was a book "Stayin Alive" (sic) written by Paxton Quigley that used to be on the Handgun Control Inc board.

A dear friend of hers was raped. Then she researched rapes and interviewed rapists in jail. They told her their number one fear is the victim having a gun. She left HCI and went on to be a hugely successful advocate for womens self defense-With A Gun. I did the Hollywood Celebrity shoot with her a couple years. Interesting to talk to about HCI.

62 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:01:19pm

re: #55 TampaKnight

I'm always amused when liberals label any sign of wealth as a sign of a typical Republican.

Apparently they don't know, or care, how many ultra wealthy liberals there are. Look no further than Hollywood.

"You don't understand the class structure of American society," said Smetana, "or you would not ask such a question. In the United States, the working class are Democrats. The middle class are Republicans. The upper class are Communists."
-- Whittaker Chambers, Witness, p. 616

63 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:02:33pm

re: #62 The Sanity Inspector

"You don't understand the class structure of American society," said Smetana, "or you would not ask such a question. In the United States, the working class are Democrats. The middle class are Republicans. The upper class are Communists."
-- Whittaker Chambers, Witness, p. 616

Another Whit fan, eh? Changed my life, that book did. Made me respect Communists almost as much as I despise their movement. Anyone who wants to understand the deep spiritual causes that drive people to such fringes should read the thing.

64 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:03:29pm

re: #63 Guanxi88

Or go to a tea party maybe?

65 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:03:58pm

re: #64 Rightwingconspirator

Or go to a tea party maybe?

No, read Witness - it's a wonderful antidote to extremism of all stripes.

66 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:04:43pm

re: #60 William of Orange

Was to be expected. We've seen a lot of exaggeration on the right, but the left also does it's best doing that. I call myself a moderate and I never had to read between the lines. It was pretty clear what Charles was saying and that moving house had to do with security, but that that was only one of several factors why to move in the first place.

Selective journalism, that's what it is. Cherrypicking the juicy bits.

It's a handy thought to keep in mind: Pay attention to how the news media report on a situation that you are familiar with. You'll immediately note omissions, distortions, errors of fact great or small. Now just remember: they do that with the reportage on things you're not familiar with, too. Gird your brains accordingly.

67 Dante41  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:05:01pm

re: #64 Rightwingconspirator

Or go to a tea party maybe?

I think spending more time with their kids is a good thing.

Oh, you meant the other kind of Tea Party.

68 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:05:21pm

Long before Americans began building gated communities, almost all cities in Europe were gated communities: gated, moated and turreted, featuring amenities like hot and cold running oil.

Never know when antoher hoard of them marauding Visigoths is gonna come along....

69 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:05:27pm

re: #63 Guanxi88

Another Whit fan, eh? Changed my life, that book did. Made me respect Communists almost as much as I despise their movement. Anyone who wants to understand the deep spiritual causes that drive people to such fringes should read the thing.

That, and The God That Failed.

70 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:05:39pm

re: #61 Rightwingconspirator
The NRA has its Women on Target program.

71 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:06:14pm

re: #67 Dante41

I think spending more time with their kids is a good thing.

Oh, you meant the other kind of Tea Party.

I always get roped into playing Chutes and Ladders, Spongebob Connect 4, and "pretty, pretty princess" with my daughters. #1 son and I just sit and throw things at each other. It's all fun.

72 Blueheron  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:07:18pm

re: #42 Rightwingconspirator

Just one more comment from Huffpo-and a very nice one actually-
From "Justaminute"
I checked out LGF a couple of months ago and was pleasantly surprised. As a progressive democrat with a firm belief in the two party system, I believe that the conservatives on LGF are the ones we should encourage. From what I gather they are pro-science; do not deny global warming, advocate gay rights; believe in a womans right to choose. I believe that if they represented the Republican Party, America would be better off. IMHO I think Charles Johnson is a brave man to have seen what was happening to his party and said that this is not his party. We should encourage this not denigrate it.

That is a welcome thing to see and I updinged you for posting it for us.

I would like to remind the Huff poster a good conservative isn't necccesarily a warmed over Democrat.//
However the sentiment behind the post is welcomed by this conservative. :)

73 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:08:28pm

re: #65 Guanxi88

I'll add that to my list. Still reading The Imperial Cruise by James Bradley.

74 Dante41  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:09:55pm

re: #71 Guanxi88

I always get roped into playing Chutes and Ladders, Spongebob Connect 4, and "pretty, pretty princess" with my daughters. #1 son and I just sit and throw things at each other. It's all fun.

Charlie Chan? ///

Kidding aside, how would you play "pretty, pretty princess" as a guy? Are you the King or the Royal Herald?

75 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:09:56pm

Gated communities where Charles probably does NOT live:
1. Commune
2. Gaza Hilton
3. Alcatraz
4. Fellowship Bible Camp

76 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:11:42pm

re: #73 Rightwingconspirator

I'll add that to my list. Still reading The Imperial Cruise by James Bradley.

Witness shows how the same causes that made a man a devoted and serious agent of communism (he was involved in espionage pre WWII, that was how devoted he was) could cause him to become a serious and devoted Christian and even cause him to turn against the cause he once embraced.

before reading Witness, I'd assumed fanatical Reds were avaricious, evil, or fundamentally stupid; they are none of these things, and it is a mistake to think they are.

77 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:12:44pm

re: #70 PhillyPretzel

NRA is great on Women and shooting. I sometimes instruct/RO for the NSSF, "First Shots" program. Last time 75 new shooters, 3 instructors. Went perfect. Lots of ladies in the class.

ILA their lobby wing makes me crazy.

78 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:14:19pm

re: #72 Blueheron

Thanks. On a whim I registered really just to say thanks to that poster. Who knows might be a new hatchling "Justaminute" soon.

79 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:14:45pm

re: #74 Dante41

Charlie Chan? ///

Kidding aside, how would you play "pretty, pretty princess" as a guy? Are you the King or the Royal Herald?

I am whatever #2 daughter tells me I am.

(The numbering of children is, believe it or not, actually a not-uncommon practice among Chinese. My boss refers to herself as "#5 daughter" when speaking of her family as a whole. My co-workers started calling my first-born "#1 daughter" the day she was born, and even though I've got but one son. they refer to him as my "#1 son". There are reasons for this - by numbering them, they create the conditions - symbolically - for a large family, since things that can be counted are without end. Hence, the underlying optimism, as they see it, of referring to your only son as your #1 son - they mean that you shall have more.)

80 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:16:00pm

re: #23 The Sanity Inspector

"That ain't no Hank Williams song!"

Our lady of blessed acceleration don't fail me now!

81 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:16:51pm

Why don't we give him to Mongo?

82 Soap_Man  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:17:01pm

re: #76 Guanxi88

Witness shows how the same causes that made a man a devoted and serious agent of communism (he was involved in espionage pre WWII, that was how devoted he was) could cause him to become a serious and devoted Christian and even cause him to turn against the cause he once embraced.

before reading Witness, I'd assumed fanatical Reds were avaricious, evil, or fundamentally stupid; they are none of these things, and it is a mistake to think they are.

I listed to this wonderful documentary on NPR called "My way or the FBI way." It was about this guy who slowly turned into a left-wing radical after he visited New Orleans to help reconstruction, and fell in with a militant group. It reached the point when even he began getting shocked at some of the rhetoric. He flipped and joined up with the FBI, resulting in the arrest of a young kid who was going to blow up a car at the 2008 RNC.

It was enlightening to hear someone tell the story of what led him to be a radical in the first place, and why he betrayed what was once his "cause". You should google it and give it a listen.

83 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:17:07pm

re: #81 MandyManners

Why don't we give him to Mongo?

Aww, that's inhuman!

84 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:17:13pm

re: #81 MandyManners

Why don't we give him to Mongo?

Bill White, that is.

85 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:17:35pm

re: #83 Guanxi88

Aww, that's inhuman!

Yeah, Mongo's just a pawn.

86 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:18:32pm

re: #85 MandyManners

Yeah, Mongo's just a pawn.

Sheriff's first man ever whip Mongo. Mongo have.... special feelings for Sheriff.

87 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:19:48pm

re: #86 Guanxi88

Sheriff's first man ever whip Mongo. Mongo have... special feelings for Sheriff.

Mongo Straight!

88 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:20:21pm

re: #75 Spare O'Lake

Heh. Just imagine how much trouble it was to get a nitrogen filled chamber approved by the gated community B.O.D.! "Okay but no green roof, and your mailbox must be from the approved list."

89 Gus  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:21:55pm

re: #12 pharmmajor

Unfortunately, Charles, some of the radicals on HuffPo are actually saying that you brought these problems on yourself. One poster said that you "helped create the raging monster of the teabaggers", another called the gated community you moved to a "whites-only neocon enclave." There's a lot more nonsense, further proving that the far left and the far right are equally hateful and batshit insane.

I suppose it's lost on that last person's quote that Arianna Huffington live in a 7 million dollar "four-bedroom, five-bathroom Italianate home" in affluent Brentwood, California. I also find it rather ironic considering where Ariana Huffington came from; when she first hit the national stage sometimes being a proponent for "family values" and now a "former right-winger." Perhaps many HuffPo readers are not aware of her history -- I remember it well.

90 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:22:30pm

On the topic of moves and moving - family and I are preparing to pack up the rickshaw and trot outta the big city. Found us a nice little town about 50 miles out - has everything we're looking for, nothing we don't like or can't live with, and will cost us about 1/3rd of what it does to live where we are now.

Fingers crossed, though - a coupla things still got fall into perfect alignment yet, but it's looking quite likely.

91 Dante41  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:23:20pm

re: #80 jamesfirecat

Our lady of blessed acceleration don't fail me now!

Elllwwwoooddd.....

92 Mr.Boots  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:23:39pm

re: #57 Dante41

Love the graphic!

93 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:24:24pm

re: #90 Guanxi88

Good for you, trade some concrete and pavement for grass and trees. One regret I have about my career is I must live close to either Los Angeles or maybe NYC.

94 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:24:57pm

re: #88 Rightwingconspirator

Heh. Just imagine how much trouble it was to get a nitrogen filled chamber approved by the gated community B.O.D.! "Okay but no green roof, and your mailbox must be from the approved list."

Way O.T. but speaking of mail boxes ... saw the coolest one. It's a t-rex and it has the mail box in its mouth. Got to get one!

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:25:18pm

re: #89 Gus 802

I suppose it's lost on that last person's quote that Arianna Huffington live in a 7 million dollar "four-bedroom, five-bathroom Italianate home" in affluent Brentwood, California. I also find it rather ironic considering where Ariana Huffington came from; when she first hit the national stage sometimes being a proponent for "family values" and now a "former right-winger." Perhaps many HuffPo readers are not aware of her history -- I remember it well.

Arianna was an infuriating rightie, now she is an infuriating leftie. Some people just do not change all that much.

96 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:26:18pm

re: #93 Rightwingconspirator

Good for you, trade some concrete and pavement for grass and trees. One regret I have about my career is I must live close to either Los Angeles or maybe NYC.

Yep, scary part is that making this move will allow us to pay off all debts, and cut our mortgage payment by 80% or more, all in one fell swoop. Spooky, to think that the decades of penury might be at an end so soon. Poverty always kinda suited me; even if I didn't much care for it, I was always good at being poor.

97 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:27:10pm

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

Arianna was an infuriating rightie, now she is an infuriating leftie. Some people just do not change all that much.

She'd be an infuriating moderate.

98 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:27:47pm

re: #97 MandyManners

She'd be an infuriating moderate.

But she makes a great ex-spouse.

99 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:28:52pm

re: #76 Guanxi88

Witness shows how the same causes that made a man a devoted and serious agent of communism (he was involved in espionage pre WWII, that was how devoted he was) could cause him to become a serious and devoted Christian and even cause him to turn against the cause he once embraced.

before reading Witness, I'd assumed fanatical Reds were avaricious, evil, or fundamentally stupid; they are none of these things, and it is a mistake to think they are.

Another book which made a splash in its day but which is now largely forgotten is Jan Valtin's Out of the Night. Valtin, the pseudonym for Richard Julius Hermann Krebs, was an international communist subversive in the Thirties.

100 Guanxi88  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:29:47pm

re: #99 The Sanity Inspector

Another book which made a splash in its day but which is now largely forgotten is Jan Valtin's Out of the Night. Valtin, the pseudonym for Richard Julius Hermann Krebs, was an international communist subversive in the Thirties.

I'll see if I can't find that one. Love the 30's, for some of the most interesting history out there.

101 Gus  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:29:52pm

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

Arianna was an infuriating rightie, now she is an infuriating leftie. Some people just do not change all that much.

Infuriating is a good way to describe her. I'm trying to find an old video with her back when she was pimping the religious right. At least that's how I saw back when I was a young and committed lefty -- my blood pressure would hit the ceiling. :)

102 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:30:00pm

re: #98 Guanxi88

But she makes a great ex-spouse.

I gotta' admit that such a divorce might've driven me underground.

103 eneri  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:30:57pm

This is a sad commentary about our country. Good luck and safety for you and yours. We need people with the guts to stand up and be counted.

104 Soap_Man  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:31:30pm

Alright folks, time to make a big, hearty lunch and sit my happy ass on the couch all day to watch football. Have a good day everyone, and stay safe.

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:37:52pm

Be careful out there, Charles. Don't know you personally, but love you man.

106 Political Atheist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:37:58pm

BRB
I have got to put a link to the Harry Reid's racial gaffe up...

107 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:38:31pm

My continued thoughts and prayers Charles, include even more for your safety.

108 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:39:26pm

re: #52 Charles

Hah! Actually couldn't be further from the truth.

they can't handle the truth (channeling "Jack")

109 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:41:02pm

Oh, a wed wose. How womantic.

110 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:41:34pm

re: #109 MandyManners

Oh, a wed wose. How womantic.

Lily von Schtupp?

111 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:42:20pm

Time again to post this bit of on-the-books law:

TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 19--CONSPIRACY

Sec. 373. Solicitation to commit a crime of violence

(a) Whoever, with intent that another person engage in conduct
constituting a felony that has as an element the use, attempted use, or
threatened use of physical force against property or against the person
of another in violation of the laws of the United States, and under
circumstances strongly corroborative of that intent, solicits, commands,
induces, or otherwise endeavors to persuade such other person to engage
in such conduct, shall be imprisoned not more than one-half the maximum
term of imprisonment or (notwithstanding section 3571) fined not more
than one-half of the maximum fine prescribed for the punishment of the
crime solicited, or both; or if the crime solicited is punishable by
life imprisonment or death, shall be imprisoned for not more than twenty
years.

112 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:42:21pm

Oh, it's twu. It's twu.

113 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:42:50pm

re: #110 _RememberTonyC

"How ordinary."

114 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:42:55pm

Gotta' go get some provisions to ride out this cold weather.

115 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:43:03pm

re: #112 MandyManners

Oh, it's twu. It's twu.

In bed.

116 Racer X  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:43:35pm

There are many, many kind and thoughtful muslims out there who are against terrorism. They are hesitant to speak out because of the threats of violence (veiled and real threats).

How sad is it that Americans now find themselves concerned about their safety simply because they speak out against another group?

Stay safe Charles.

117 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:43:48pm

re: #113 Ojoe

"How ordinary."


"I'm tired, tired of being alone"

118 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:43:54pm

re: #45 SanFranciscoZionist

I can do a pretty good Arianna impression. "Velllll, Chrisss....'

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:44:39pm

"Men: they are always coming and going, going and coming, and always too soon!"

120 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:45:50pm

re: #110 _RememberTonyC

Lily von Schtupp?

"Is that a jelly bean in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?"

121 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:46:25pm

re: #120 The Sanity Inspector

"Is that a jelly bean in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?"

{{rim shot}}

122 Linden Arden  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:46:32pm

Any threats from those crazy Code Pink nutjobs?

(in best Bill O'Reilly impersonation).....

123 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:47:25pm
re: #116 Racer X

There are many, many kind and thoughtful muslims out there who are against terrorism. They are hesitant to speak out because of the threats of violence (veiled and real threats).

The time to hesitate is through,
No time to wallow in the mire...

124 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:47:36pm

re: #118 prairiefire

I can do a pretty good Arianna impression. "Velll, Chrisss...'

that sounds more like zsa zsa gabor :)

125 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:49:18pm

re: #74 Dante41

You wear the jewelry like anyone else. Avoid the black ring.

126 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:53:38pm

re: #4 Girth

I hate Illinois Nazis.

"Nazis - I hate these guys."

—Indiana Jones

127 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:54:54pm

re: #126 Ojoe

"Nazis - I hate these guys."

—Indiana Jones


How about Lyndon LaRouche?

128 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:57:08pm

re: #127 ralphieboy

He's nuts too, and Indiana Jones would have had the same opinion of him, I'd bet.

I tried to find a video of that Indiana Jones line but couldn't right off.

129 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 12:58:50pm

He was a fine example of what can happen when Democracy sleeps.

130 conrad  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:00:43pm

Just wanted to through my 2 cents in:

Charles,
As far as I am concerned, this is the United States and you can say whatever you like!! There is a good reason I enjoy reading and keeping up with LGF, even when I disagree with you. Unfortunately for those of us who don't keep silent--whether you have a well know web site like you, or just stand up and speak in a college setting like me, getting threatened is a very real thing. This being said (and I know, a little redundant with mentions in other postings.) the Huffington Post has a particular slant on all of their news items and the writers there play into their customers hands to make it appear as if the one side of the political spectrum they have declared enemies are the main culprit. I didn't expect anything else from them.

2 cents thrown in....and as always, thanks.

132 avanti  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:11:02pm

More stupidity by some on the right from another blog. There is a special election to replace Kennedy in Mass, on Jan 19th and they asked the acting guy filling the seat if he'd still vote for the health care bill if the GOP guy wins and he's still seated. He said yes, he'll support Kennedy's wishes on health care, but here's the spin on the blog.
The tread says the Dems are "won't honor the election if they lose" I always thought the elected guy had to be seated first before he has a vote. They want a protest against this refusal to give up power the day of the vote if he loses.
Am I missing something ?

133 Jerk  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:17:19pm

I enjoy reading this blog because it is so insightful as to what is going on, and cuts through the BS. I haven't been here too long, but I enjoy reading your articles when they appear in my RSS reader. Don't let these unintelligent cretins get to you. Don't let them shake your nerves; they resort to threats because they have nothing else to offer.

The Huffington Post is looking a lot more like Vice Magazine everyday.

134 generalsparky  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:17:55pm

re: #132 avanti

What I have read is the TPTB will hold off the swearing in if the GOP candidate wins until after the health care vote, not matter how long that takes. I read somewhere that the last time there was a special election like this that person was sworn in within 2 days.

135 TheMatrix31  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:19:10pm

Harry Reid's A Racist Too, I Guess

136 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:21:32pm

re: #134 generalsparky

I could imagine the screaming if that comes to pass

137 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:24:38pm

re: #135 TheMatrix31

Minimally stupid to say the least.

138 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:25:37pm

re: #133 Jerk

Welcome, hatchling.

139 generalsparky  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:27:21pm

re: #136 Boondock St. Bender

and rightly so.

140 abolitionist  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:28:26pm

re: #17 blueraven

Speaking of white supremacist. I watched this very disturbing video last night. Shouldn't have done that, had trouble sleeping afterward. But maybe in the daylight it wont look so scary...doubt it though. It is long, about 25 min, but an in depth report on these groups and how they are going after the tea party crowd, as well as returning military. Some have been candidates for political office, hiding behind innocent sounding organizations.

Stay safe Charles.


[Video]

Many moons ago, I got to searching for neo-nazi movement stuff across Europe. Found quite a bit and posted some about it here.

This video is comparably disturbing. I'm inclined to take the statements by the FBI undercover operative essentially at face value. As for the rest, I must note that this comes from AlJazeera.

141 avanti  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:29:40pm

re: #134 generalsparky

What I have read is the TPTB will hold off the swearing in if the GOP candidate wins until after the health care vote, not matter how long that takes. I read somewhere that the last time there was a special election like this that person was sworn in within 2 days.

If that is true, I'd love to see a link that shows it. It would seem to be a process with some formal rules. It may well be a moot point, the Dems have to lose, and delay a vote until after the 19th, and don't need 60 for passage anyway. Still, something else to get upset about before any of that happens I guess.

142 Boondock St. Bender  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:30:49pm

re: #139 generalsparky

Those kind of shenanigans turn many off to politics.And gives a window into how childish some of those in power can be.

143 generalsparky  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:36:14pm

re: #141 avanti

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

I don't know how reliable the Boston Herald is as a newspaper but this is the article I read earlier.

144 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:37:04pm

re: #135 TheMatrix31

Harry Reid's A Racist Too, I Guess

Here's the difference...

"I deeply regret using such a poor choice of words. I sincerely apologize for offending any and all Americans, especially African-Americans for my improper comments," Reid said in a statement released after the excerpts were reported on the Web site of The Atlantic.


He fucked up and he admits it. He's not pretending that he doesn't understand what racism is of that allegations of racism are meaningless. Looks like he owned up to it and apologized for giving offense. That's something you won't see from a wingnut.

145 Silvergirl  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:37:25pm

OT, but nowhere else appropriate to post this.

I haven't seen any of the private threads for awhile though I could have missed them since I'm not on as often as I used to be or would like to be, so I throw it here since it appears you're around right now, Charles.

It's a suggestion about you as blog owner receiving updings for comments. When I check the top ten in my sometimes hurried trips through, you are there in many times more than half the list. Of course you have wonderful things to say, and many of us want to give you your due for having LGF here for us. Yet I also think that if we would start using the dings on the articles themselves more than at present, that would be a good thing. You get many kudos by word in the posts, so I wonder if you would remove yourself from the ability to receive dings from us in the comments. To me it's kind of like tipping a restaurant owner or the owner of a salon. Maybe I'm not up on current etiquette, but I was once taught that it's the workers alone who are tipped.

If you weren't in the running in the top ten, many of these other Lizards would have their pithy and witty comments noticed more since there could be five or six more of them on the list daily. I'm not talking about myself--funny or well-worded isn't really who I am, and I don't believe I've ever ventured anywhere near the top ten.

If I've stepped into an area that's NOMB, ignore this please, or consider it if it's something that hasn't really passed through your mind before because of things more pressing.

146 generalsparky  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:39:03pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

And it only took him a year to do it.

147 TheMatrix31  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:41:32pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

LOL. As long as someone "apologizes" a long time after, it's fine, right?

Whatever, bro.

148 avanti  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:42:43pm

re: #143 generalsparky

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

I don't know how reliable the Boston Herald is as a newspaper but this is the article I read earlier.

That's why I love this place, the Lizards get to the truth, which seems unknowable right now. If there is in fact some fishy foot dragging if the GOP wins, there would rightly be some hell to pay. Not that fishy stuff like that is not SOP in politics.

149 generalsparky  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:42:48pm

re: #147 TheMatrix31

LOL. As long as someone "apologizes" a long time after, it's fine, right?

Whatever, bro.

*snort*

150 generalsparky  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:45:17pm

re: #148 avanti

Yep. Not out of the realm of possibility but highly unlikely.

151 Silvergirl  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:46:03pm

re: #146 generalsparky

And it only took him a year to do it.

You know the cliche about time and doing the right thing, so I don't need to say it.

One of the last things I consider myself is an apologist for Harry Reid. It doesn't matter if I'm a fan or a detractor, but if he has apologized for wrongdoing, find another area to stick him. His poll numbers are sliding down so fast, nobody need worry about his apology suddenly earning him an adoring public.

152 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 1:46:28pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

He fucked up and he admits it. He's not pretending that he doesn't understand what racism is of that allegations of racism are meaningless. Looks like he owned up to it and apologized for giving offense. That's something you won't see from a wingnut.

He issued the statement at this late date, and at all, only because of the pending book release.
A convenient apology if ever there was one.

153 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 2:02:33pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

He fucked up and he admits it. He's not pretending that he doesn't understand what racism is of that allegations of racism are meaningless. Looks like he owned up to it and apologized for giving offense. That's something you won't see from a wingnut.

What you say may be true, Reid's racism is "different" because he apologized.

However, that he uttered the words to begin with shows, I think, what's in his mind. He simply won't make the same verbal error again; I'm not sure his mind has changed.

154 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 2:15:52pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

What you say may be true, Reid's racism is "different" because he apologized.

However, that he uttered the words to begin with shows, I think, what's in his mind. He simply won't make the same verbal error again; I'm not sure his mind has changed.

What I find amusing is earlier this week there was a big discussion amongst the talking heads on TV and blogs about whether the word "negro" was racist or not. I'll bet a paycheck that we'll see a lot of people switch sides on that argument.

155 TheMatrix31  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 2:18:16pm

re: #154 RogueOne

Its only racist if you're a conservative. If you're not, it's simply "shining awareness" onto a situation.

//

156 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 2:30:16pm

re: #155 TheMatrix31

Its only racist if you're a conservative. If you're not, it's simply "shining awareness" onto a situation.

//

Sadly, that does seem to be the way some folks think.

157 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 2:33:50pm

re: #154 RogueOne

What I find amusing is earlier this week there was a big discussion amongst the talking heads on TV and blogs about whether the word "negro" was racist or not. I'll bet a paycheck that we'll see a lot of people switch sides on that argument.

"Negro" is no more racist than "caucasian" or "asian", imo.

However, I will say - neither caucasian nor asian can easily morph into a closely-related derogatory word, whereas "negro" can. I can understand why some folks would want to avoid "negro".

158 blueraven  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 2:33:57pm

I see more of a generational mindset than any real racism. This is the kind of thing Obama spoke of in his "race speech".

That said, it is still inappropriate and I am glad he apologized unequivocally. None of the; IF I offended BS.

159 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 2:35:26pm

re: #158 blueraven

I see more of a generational mindset than any real racism. This is the kind of thing Obama spoke of in his "race speech".

That said, it is still inappropriate and I am glad he apologized unequivocally. None of the; IF I offended BS.

I'm happy as can be that he apologized unequivocally for what he said.
My question is - what sorts of stereotypes are in his mind that caused him to say what he said in the first place?

160 blueraven  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 2:57:06pm

re: #159 reine.de.tout

Probably the stereotype that many in his age group have. Not right but it is how and when they grew up. They have lived through a lot of change but not necessarily been a part of it. Given his age, probably in his 70s, his religion, Mormon, and being a long time Senator with virtually no African Americans, I am sure he did hold stereotypes. I hope he has learned since.

161 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 5:24:28pm

Thank you for posting this clarification. I thought the depiction that you were sufficiently concerned about threats to move was an attempt to either paint you as a conspiracy theorist or the Right, in general, as overty violent. Both of which are, obviously, way off the mark.

Once again, it's the MSM spin.

162 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:06:15am

re: #12 pharmmajor

another called the gated community you moved to a "whites-only neocon enclave."

They think Charles has moved to The Weekly Standard?
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