1 WindHorse  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:34:11pm

I'm not sure of what it is I am looking at.... but - it is pretty!

2 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:35:22pm

Speaking of great Canadians.....

Havin A Time

3 WindHorse  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:36:40pm

I got up this morning and WOW what a day! I opened the blinds and looked out on the water and saw a bird (and I am certain at one point, I could quote the species etc.). But this morning, out there on the neighbors buoy was this "big black bird" with his wings outstretched.... sunning and drying in the early morning sunlight.

And I thought, damn - I am lucky.

4 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:36:41pm

Very nice. The flowers were well integrated into the background.

OMG! DARK_FOWL JUST PRAISED A PICTURE OF FLOWERS!!!111 THAT MEANS BOTH HE AND CHARLES ARE GEY!!!!11111

/Stalker logic

5 Gus  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:40:42pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Very nice. The flowers were well integrated into the background.

OMG! DARK_FOWL JUST PRAISED A PICTURE OF FLOWERS!!!111 THAT MEANS BOTH HE AND CHARLES ARE GEY!!!11111

/Stalker logic

Foliage!? Why that's a French word!!!11!111

/

6 jaunte  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:42:49pm

So this is the colorful California I have heard spoken of...

7 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:43:58pm

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

You? Gay? You always struck me as being kind of depressed.
/

8 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:46:05pm

Check out Mark Steyn's latest column. He gives Obama a justified backhand for yet again failing to recognize the enemy:

But We’re Still Gonna Kill You

9 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:47:09pm

re: #7 Slumbering Behemoth

You? Gay? You always struck me as being kind of depressed.
/

Bravo! I often am depressed, though. My life involves quite a lot of cleaning up messes that I did not cause.

10 freetoken  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:47:15pm

In the kingdom Flora
a battle did rage.
against deciduous the eucalypt did rally
only to find an empty sky as their ally.

/JUST DON'T MOVE HERE

11 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:49:18pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Bravo! I often am depressed, though. My life involves quite a lot of cleaning up messes that I did not cause.

Wait a minute... you're a mom?
/

12 jaunte  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:50:02pm

re: #10 freetoken

There is trouble in the forest?

13 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:50:29pm
14 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:52:23pm

re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth

Wait a minute... you're a mom?
/

No, I work at a store that provide cell phone repair. I'm the guy customers go ballistic at when I have to tell them that their phone has liquid damage and they have to pay a $100 dollar insurance deductible to get a new one.

15 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:54:25pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

And you do it very well!
{{DF}}
Goodnight, all.

16 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 10:56:00pm

re: #15 Floral Giraffe

And you do it very well!
{{DF}}
Goodnight, all.

Thank you. I'm also going to go to bed. I'll be back tomorrow.

17 Spricio  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:00:48pm

Man, liquid amber is probably the most gorgeous tree in Fall/Winter....thanks for the pick me up

18 jaunte  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:01:54pm

You 73 lurkers are going to have to step up the pace here...

19 Gus  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:02:46pm

re: #18 jaunte

You 73 lurkers are going to have to step up the pace here...

I'm seeing 16.

20 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:03:13pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Ah. Customer drops device in toilet, customer tries to hide this fact by drying the device out, customer brings in device saying "I don't know, it just stopped working", customer then looses own shit upon discovering that manufacturers place handy little low tech color changing indicators in said devices to detect liquid immersion. Got it.

21 freetoken  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:12:56pm

re: #12 jaunte

There is trouble in the forest?

Deep, deep in the forest lies a battle force whose power is terrifying.

22 avanti  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:14:18pm

Actually a interesting thread over at Hot Air discussing Avatar. About half the posters loved the movie, the other half sees a liberal slant and condemn it.

23 WindHorse  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:15:48pm

re: #22 avanti

the discussion here is more interesting.....

/just sayin'

24 WindHorse  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:19:53pm

re: #21 freetoken

deep in the Grand Forest......

[Link: www.komonews.com...]

25 jaunte  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:22:29pm

Goodnight all.

"The path of sound credence is through the thick forest of skepticism."
-- George Jean Nathan

26 freetoken  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:27:32pm

The future of the automobile?

27 lostlakehiker  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:32:47pm

pi digits "believed" to never end or repeat

This story understates what is understood about the mathematical constant "pi". The article writes that the constant's digits are believed never to end or repeat. In fact, this is not just believed, it is known. It has been known for centuries. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

There's a disease out there. No one dares forthrightly assert even the most settled of facts as settled fact. It's the alleged shoe bomber, the alleged this and that, and now the rot has spread.

28 freetoken  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:34:22pm

re: #27 lostlakehiker

Number theory is just a theory!

/TEACH THE CONTROVERSY
/ PI = 3

29 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:37:53pm

re: #22 avanti

I thought it was a pretty cool action film with spectacular visual effects, and a 3D aspect that was not over done or hokey. Of course, I am a conservative who goes into such things knowing they are intended to be entertaining works of fiction, not part of some Elite Hollywood Marxist brainwashing conspiracy.

30 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:43:32pm

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

I still don't understand what changes if he puts the word "Islamic" in front of terrorist. I see no one way in which it helps us.

31 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:44:03pm

re: #27 lostlakehiker

There's a disease out there. No one dares forthrightly assert even the most settled of facts as settled fact. It's the alleged shoe bomber, the alleged this and that, and now the rot has spread.

For legal purposes, it is the "alleged [insert crime]" until there is a concluded trial, at which point the defendant either becomes the "convicted [insert crime]" or the "acquitted [insert crime]".

This is not evidential of a disease or an insidious creeping of political correctness, it is our legal justice system, where all are innocent until proven guilty.

In other words, it's not a bug, it's a feature.

32 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:48:55pm

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth

I thought it was a pretty cool action film with spectacular visual effects, and a 3D aspect that was not over done or hokey. Of course, I am a conservative who goes into such things knowing they are intended to be entertaining works of fiction, not part of some Elite Hollywood Marxist brainwashing conspiracy.

Visually it was breathtaking. The story, on the other hand, was boilerplate. Which in and of itself isn't a bad thing since the movie did have other things to offer. The one thing I must say about the script was that I thought it was very well paced. Avatar moved quickly enough to not bore me, but not so much so that it felt rushed. I give it major points for that because not every movie does it well.

Liberal slant? When people say that I wonder if they've ever seen a Cameron movie before.

33 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:57:33pm

There are actually people worried about the State of the Union being on the same night as Lost?

34 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 9, 2010 11:58:36pm

re: #32 JasonA

Plus, it had Michelle Rodriguez. Yeah, I have a crush.

Totally agree about the boiler plate thing. The film ain't meant to be a deep thinker.

35 Four More Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:01:08am

re: #34 Slumbering Behemoth

Plus, it had Michelle Rodriguez. Yeah, I have a crush.

Totally agree about the boiler plate thing. The film ain't meant to be a deep thinker.

Can't blame you. Kind of like how Eva Mendez makes any movie better for me.

36 ryannon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:13:21am

re: #33 JasonA

There are actually people worried about the State of the Union being on the same night as Lost?


[Video]


Golly, I can't imagine why.

37 Four More Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:15:23am

re: #36 ryannon

Golly, I can't imagine why.

I must admit that having a DVR changes your perspective on these kinds of things. I say that as a big Lost fan, too.

38 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:18:07am

re: #33 JasonA

Be prepared. There are Lost fans here who may lose their shit if that happens. I may be one of them.

Back on the topic of OMFG! ABATAR IZ LIBRUL ANTYKRIST NATSEE SOSHULEST PRAPAGAHNDI!!ELEBANTY!!!

I remain firmly convinced that those hand-wringers currently going apeshit over Avatar would likely criticize the film 300 as pro-gay, pro-abortion propaganda if it were released during this current administration.

39 ryannon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:18:56am

re: #37 JasonA

I must admit that having a DVR changes your perspective on these kinds of things. I say that as a big Lost fan, too.

So if the gov'mint gave everyone a DVR....

40 ryannon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:20:50am

I want my MTV.

No wait a minute.

41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:22:30am

re: #39 ryannon

Fuck that shit. The gov't should be giving everyone crystal meth and shotguns. Those gawt-damned zombies don't kill themselves, ya know.
/

42 ryannon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:23:37am

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

Be prepared. There are Lost fans here who may lose their shit if that happens. I may be one of them.

Back on the topic of OMFG! ABATAR IZ LIBRUL ANTYKRIST NATSEE SOSHULEST PRAPAGAHNDI!!ELEBANTY!!!

I remain firmly convinced that those hand-wringers currently going apeshit over Avatar would likely criticize the film 300 as pro-gay, pro-abortion propaganda if it were released during this current administration.

It used to be the Age of Aquarius. It's now the Age of Everyone Going Apeshit Over Anything.

43 Four More Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:26:28am

re: #39 ryannon

So if the gov'mint gave everyone a DVR...

Well, it wouldn't matter since Lost wouldn't be on at all, just moved to the following Tuesday. Seeing how I've waited this long for this damn show another week isn't going to bother me at all. Christ, I can't believe there's even a debate over this.

44 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:27:12am

re: #42 ryannon

Anger sells. I didn't much care for the Age of Aquarius, and I don't much care the Age of Apeshit.

I'll just sit here with my gov't issued meth, and my shotgun, and wait for the zombie hordes. I know where I stand with the walking dead.

45 ryannon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:27:37am

Fear breeds panic.

I went to Brooks Brothers for the Winter sales Saturday afternoon. Great deals on wonderfully-made stuff aside, it was better than going to church. I came out of there feeling washed of my sins and clean.

Hey, this is the overnight open thread, right?

46 ryannon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:28:27am

re: #44 Slumbering Behemoth

Anger sells. I didn't much care for the Age of Aquarius, and I don't much care the Age of Apeshit.

I'll just sit here with my gov't issued meth, and my shotgun, and wait for the zombie hordes. I know where I stand with the walking dead.

Got beer?

47 Four More Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:28:35am

re: #44 Slumbering Behemoth

Anger sells. I didn't much care for the Age of Aquarius, and I don't much care the Age of Apeshit.

I'll just sit here with my gov't issued meth, and my shotgun, and wait for the zombie hordes. I know where I stand with the walking dead.

Why meth? I'd figure some kind of booze, no?

48 ryannon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:30:45am

re: #47 JasonA

Why meth? I'd figure some kind of booze, no?

Those in the know say that meth will get you through times of no beer better than beer will get you through times of no meth.

49 ryannon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:32:51am

This thread?

It's dead, Jim.

Last call before lights out!

50 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:33:03am

re: #45 ryannon

Fear breeds panic.

You're messing it up. Fear leads to anger.

51 Four More Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:33:50am

re: #49 ryannon

Yeah, I'm gonna head off and... slumber.

52 ryannon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:34:52am

re: #50 Slumbering Behemoth

You're messing it up. Fear leads to anger.

I see panic as a form of anger. But I'll concede the point.

53 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:35:23am

re: #47 JasonA

Why meth? I'd figure some kind of booze, no?

The walking dead do not sleep, why should I?

54 ryannon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:35:38am

re: #51 JasonA

Yeah, I'm gonna head off and... slumber.

Good idea. Sleep well!

55 ryannon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:37:26am

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

The walking dead do not sleep, why should I?

Something about becoming no better than one's enemies here.

But I don't want to start nuthin'.

56 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:46:17am

re: #52 ryannon

I see panic as a form of anger. But I'll concede the point.

Path of the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

It's a Star Wars quote. I'm being a dork.

57 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:59:00am

re: #28 freetoken

Number theory is just a theory!

/TEACH THE CONTROVERSY
/ PI = 3

A state legislator in Arizona tried to pass legislation making it illegal to force schoolchildren to learn anything that was against their religious convictions. It was an obvious attempt to prohibit the teaching of evolution.

It prompted the following response from a satirist:

Teacher. Johnny, what is two times two?
Johnny: Five!
T: No, Johnny, it's four.
J: But my daddy believes that two times two is five and you can't make me learn otherwise!
T: But two times two is not a matter of faith, it is a matter of objective reality.
J: My daddy doesn't believe in no objective reality!

58 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 1:02:59am

re: #55 ryannon

You're stretching very hard to find some kind of false, moral equivalence here. Though I may see the tactical advantage of staying awake and keeping alert, that does not put me on the same level as a flesh-rotting brain eater. Jeez.

/also, still being a dork

59 ryannon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 1:16:58am

re: #56 Slumbering Behemoth

Path of the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

It's a Star Wars quote. I'm being a dork.


My God, he's going over to the Dork Side!

60 ryannon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 1:19:41am

re: #56 Slumbering Behemoth

Path of the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

It's a Star Wars quote. I'm being a dork.

Actually, that's all impregnated with Buddhist philosophy. Not a bad thing.

61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 1:32:59am

re: #60 ryannon

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that a great deal Jedi "lore" was begged, borrowed, and stolen from many schools of philosophy/religion.

62 ryannon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 1:38:04am

re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that a great deal Jedi "lore" was begged, borrowed, and stolen from many schools of philosophy/religion.

But mostly Eastern, I'd wager. It was really part of the cultural mix at the time that Spielberg and all those guys were going to film school in Los Angeles.

63 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 1:44:46am

Named after the Great Prophed Jed, who lived in the Hilly of Beverly...

64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 2:06:13am
65 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:03:10am

Tap, tap.....this thing on?

66 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:07:07am

re: #65 iceweasel

Tap, tap...this thing on?

Mornin Ice. East Coast Crew is on the job. It is cold. 20 degrees in Jax.

67 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:09:03am

re: #66 rwdflynavy

Mornin Ice. East Coast Crew is on the job. It is cold. 20 degrees in Jax.

Howdy, rwdflynavy. January is the cruelest month...hope you're well.

68 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:10:38am

re: #67 iceweasel

Howdy, rwdflynavy. January is the cruelest month...hope you're well.

Doin fine. How long you and Jimmah have to be apart?

69 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:17:53am

re: #68 rwdflynavy

Doin fine. How long you and Jimmah have to be apart?

Unknown. We're still compiling all the info and records for the visa application. I'm hoping to have it by the end of Feb at the latest. Assuming they issue me one at all. I have heard some real horror stories.

But, on the bright side, Jimmah just made some work arrangements that will let him be physically away from Scotland for a longer period-- so right now, it looks like once he gets all the UK-side records together, he can come over to the US and wait with me. So i think we'll be able to be together again, albeit in the US, in a couple of weeks.
And if all else fails, he'll simply move here to the US. This wouldn't be the ideal situation for us for several reasons, but at least we'd be together.
Thanks for thinking of us, and asking!

70 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:20:59am

Good Morning Lizards!

71 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:25:19am

re: #69 iceweasel

Unknown. We're still compiling all the info and records for the visa application. I'm hoping to have it by the end of Feb at the latest. Assuming they issue me one at all. I have heard some real horror stories.

But, on the bright side, Jimmah just made some work arrangements that will let him be physically away from Scotland for a longer period-- so right now, it looks like once he gets all the UK-side records together, he can come over to the US and wait with me. So i think we'll be able to be together again, albeit in the US, in a couple of weeks.
And if all else fails, he'll simply move here to the US. This wouldn't be the ideal situation for us for several reasons, but at least we'd be together.
Thanks for thinking of us, and asking!

Bureaucracy sucks! Here's hoping the wheels turn a little quicker than planned.

72 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:25:44am

re: #70 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!

Morning Singapore Hoops!

73 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:26:18am

Dang, this Halperin/Hielmann book Game Change sure does have a lot of gossip about the campaign...Biden kept on separate conference calls because Obama was so irritated at him:
Book: Obama, Biden clashed in '08

The relationship between Barack Obama and Joe Biden grew so strained during the 2008 campaign, according to a new book, that the two rarely spoke and aides not only kept Biden off internal conference calls but refused to even tell him they existed.


snip

when Obama campaign manager David Plouffe was asked about having Biden dial into the nightly campaign conference call, he responded: “Nah.” Instead, Biden had his own call with Plouffe and senior campaign adviser David Axelrod.

Obama himself was growing increasingly frustrated with his running mate after Biden let loose with a string of gaffes, including a statement that paying higher taxes amounted to patriotism and criticism of one of the campaign’s own ads poking fun at John McCain.

But when Biden, at an October fund-raiser in Seattle, famously predicted that Obama would be tested with an international crisis, the then-Illinois senator had had enough.

“How many times is Biden gonna say something stupid?” he demanded of his advisers on a conference call, a moment at which most people on the call said the candidate was as angry as they had ever heard him.

74 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:28:07am

re: #72 rwdflynavy

Morning Singapore Hoops!

Good Morning! 2 more inches of snow is coming....Can't wait till I never post about snow again..
How are you doing this fine Sunday Morning?

75 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:30:28am

re: #74 HoosierHoops

Good Morning! 2 more inches of snow is coming...Can't wait till I never post about snow again..
How are you doing this fine Sunday Morning?

Heat pump running full time. Not designed for this kind of cold. If I am going to have northern temps in FL, give me a natural gas heater!

But otherwise I'm just fine.

76 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:31:43am

re: #75 rwdflynavy

Heat pump running full time. Not designed for this kind of cold. If I am going to have northern temps in FL, give me a natural gas heater!

But otherwise I'm just fine.

You are in Florida? I'll be in Orlando April 11-13th

77 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:34:47am

re: #76 HoosierHoops

Jacksonville, basically south Georgia ; )

78 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:35:16am

I'm going to bed. But before I do, how about some Pelican? Astonishing video, great song.

79 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:36:39am

re: #77 rwdflynavy

Jacksonville, basically south Georgia ; )

Is Jack Del Rio going to coach USC?

80 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:38:04am

re: #79 HoosierHoops

Is Jack Del Rio going to coach USC?

Hadn't heard that yet.

81 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:40:16am

re: #78 WindUpBird

I'm going to bed. But before I do, how about some Pelican? Astonishing video, great song.


[Video]

Byebye, Birdie....cheers for the song.

82 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:40:43am

re: #80 rwdflynavy

Hadn't heard that yet.

unfounded rumors I know..But there are whispers in the press...

83 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:41:33am

re: #82 HoosierHoops

unfounded rumors I know..But there are whispers in the press...

Just googled and I see what you are talking about. Interesting...

He might just move the same time as the Jags. All kinds of rumors of them moving to LA.

84 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:47:18am

Majority Leader Reid apologizes to Obama for 2008 remarks

If that doesn't get Reid reelected I don't know what will!
//

85 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:48:50am

re: #84 rwdflynavy

Majority Leader Reid apologizes to Obama for 2008 remarks

If that doesn't get Reid reelected I don't know what will!
//

When is Reid going to apologize for saying the Iraq war is lost?

86 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:49:20am

Democrat means never having to say you're sorry.

87 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:50:57am

re: #86 rwdflynavy

Democrat means never having to say you're sorry.

Maybe they'll apologize on C-Span...
heheheh

88 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 3:52:33am

re: #87 HoosierHoops

Maybe they'll apologize on C-Span...
heheheh

He could ask Trent Lott about racial comments.

89 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 4:00:45am

bbl

90 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 4:09:51am

OH Crap..NorCal had a 6.5 earthquake yesterday..didn't hear about it till now

91 SixDegrees  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 4:21:45am

re: #57 ralphieboy

A state legislator in Arizona tried to pass legislation making it illegal to force schoolchildren to learn anything that was against their religious convictions. It was an obvious attempt to prohibit the teaching of evolution.

It prompted the following response from a satirist:

Teacher. Johnny, what is two times two?
Johnny: Five!
T: No, Johnny, it's four.
J: But my daddy believes that two times two is five and you can't make me learn otherwise!
T: But two times two is not a matter of faith, it is a matter of objective reality.
J: My daddy doesn't believe in no objective reality!

Actually, it was in Indiana.

92 SixDegrees  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 4:22:28am

re: #91 SixDegrees

Actually, it was in Indiana.

Oops - my bad. I conflated the earlier post with yours.

93 gegenkritik  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 4:28:25am

If my friend Oslogin ("Critique of Islam is the same as Anti-Semitism") is reading in this thread, I recommend him reading this article in the JPost:

'Jew-hating, Islamophobia incomparable'

Germany's largest Jewish community has sharply criticized the parallel drawn between anti-Semitism and Islamophobia by historian Wolfgang Benz.

Maya Zehden, a spokeswoman for the 12,000-member Berlin Jewish community, told The Jerusalem Post on Thursday that "Benz's position has not changed. It is not beneficial when one compares anti-Semitism with Islamophobia."

Benz, the first non-Jewish head of the Berlin Center for Anti-Semitism Research, has been embroiled in an international controversy since he introduced his thesis that "the fury of the new enemies of Islam parallels the older rage of anti-Semites against the Jews."

In last Monday's edition of the Süddeutsche Zeitung, which reaches more than 1.1 million readers each day, Benz wrote an article equating anti-Semitism with hatred of Islam.

Critics see Benz as mounting an academic campaign to conflate anti-Semitism with Islamophobia, and argue that there was no pressing news event to disseminate his thesis. Benz declined to respond to multiple Post queries.

He has argued in media interviews that "there are only structural parallels" between anti-Semitism and hostility toward Islam. In connection with bias hatred of Islam, he has said that "the exclusion of something unknown is as dangerous as anti-Semitism."

Jewish community members, however, see Benz as merging anti-Semitism with discrimination against Muslims. Critics in the US, Israel and Germany have argued that the Berlin Center is marginalizing the Holocaust and failing to understand the seriousness of murderous anti-Semitism.

His unwavering endorsement of the Islamophobia thesis has strained his relations with Jews in Germany. The 86-year-old head of the Nuremberg Jewish Community, Arno Hamburger, told the Post last week that he rejected the Berlin Center's parallel and saw it as a form of "schizophrenia."

"There is no acute danger coming from Jews," in contrast to radical Islam, he said.

Hamburger is the longest serving chairman of a Jewish community in Germany; he has overseen the Nuremberg community since 1972.

Last March, the Berlin Jewish community met with Benz and expressed its disappointment and misgivings over the Center's shift away from anti-Semitism research, his comparison between Jew-hatred and discrimination against Muslims, and the failure of the Center to publicly criticize the anti-Israeli Durban II UN anti-racism conference.

A widely read German pro-Israel blog, Lizas Welt, deemed Benz's comparison as "unspeakable" and a mockery of the attempted murder of Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard by a political Islamist on January 1.

Writing in the Süddeutsche Zeitung, Benz deplored that "Islam is associated with terror and extremism" and that an entire religion and culture is subjected to discrimination.

94 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 4:59:33am

Morning Folks! Go cowboys!

95 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:00:55am

re: #79 HoosierHoops

Is Jack Del Rio going to coach USC?

He do well at the job. I don't think Jacksonville wants to get rid of him though, do they?

96 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:01:09am

re: #94 RogueOne

Morning Folks! Go cowboys!

Good morning! Big football day

97 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:16:09am

re: #96 HoosierHoops

Yeah. No surprises yesterday. I feel bad about having to root for the pats today. I want somebody to give the chargers a good game next weekend and I think the Pats have a better chance of that than the jets. BTW, what happened to Palmer this year. He's had an awful season.

98 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:16:52am

re: #93 gegenkritik

If my friend Oslogin ("Critique of Islam is the same as Anti-Semitism") is reading in this thread, I recommend him reading this article in the JPost:

""There is no acute danger coming from Jews," in contrast to radical Islam, he said."

There are those who still believe in the International Jewish Conspiracy, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and those who hold signs up at Tea party protests reading "Obama gets his orders from the Rothchilds", etc...

99 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:18:02am

re: #98 ralphieboy

""There is no acute danger coming from Jews," in contrast to radical Islam, he said."

There are those who still believe in the International Jewish Conspiracy, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and those who hold signs up at Tea party protests reading "Obama gets his orders from the Rothchilds", etc...

Well, the Rothchilds make some great candy, so you can understand the attraction.
//

100 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:19:31am

re: #95 RogueOne

He do well at the job. I don't think Jacksonville wants to get rid of him though, do they?

There isn't a lot of support for the Jags in Jax. All games blacked out this year but one. It wouldn't suprise me to see them leave.

That being said, I think Del Rio is doing a good job. The Jags don't have much talent.

101 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:19:48am

re: #97 RogueOne

Yeah. No surprises yesterday. I feel bad about having to root for the pats today. I want somebody to give the chargers a good game next weekend and I think the Pats have a better chance of that than the jets. BTW, what happened to Palmer this year. He's had an awful season.

I want the Jets-colts play-off game...Revenge!

102 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:21:39am

re: #100 rwdflynavy

There isn't a lot of support for the Jags in Jax. All games blacked out this year but one. It wouldn't suprise me to see them leave.

That being said, I think Del Rio is doing a good job. The Jags don't have much talent.

The lack of support seems to be an ongoing issue. IIRC it took them quite awhile to sell out a playoff game a couple years ago. What do you think the problem is down there, too many options for football fans or is it as simple as just too big a stadium?

103 gegenkritik  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:28:54am

re: #98 ralphieboy

Excactly. But while the delusion of a "Jewish conspiracy" is clearly this - a delusion, neither al-Qaida, nor Hamas, Hizb-Allah, Taliban, Mahdi-Militia, Badr-Brigades, al-Shahab, Hizb-ut-Tahrir and so on are delusions, but real dangers.

By the way, you mentioned, that some of the Tea-party-freaks hold signs that read "Obama gets his orders from the Rothchilds". It does not surprise me, do you have pics of this?

104 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:29:19am

re: #99 rwdflynavy

Well, the Rothchilds make some great candy, so you can understand the attraction.
//

And don't forget the singer, David Lee Rothchild...

105 gegenkritik  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:29:42am

re: #103 gegenkritik
Ok, just googled it. Disgusting.

106 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:31:46am

re: #103 gegenkritik

Excactly. But while the delusion of a "Jewish conspiracy" is clearly this - a delusion, neither al-Qaida, nor Hamas, Hizb-Allah, Taliban, Mahdi-Militia, Badr-Brigades, al-Shahab, Hizb-ut-Tahrir and so on are delusions, but real dangers.

By the way, you mentioned, that some of the Tea-party-freaks hold signs that read "Obama gets his orders from the Rothchilds". It does not surprise me, do you have pics of this?


I say a picture of the Obama/Rothchild poster on this site or on a link from this site, but I cannot remember where or when.

Those folks would maintain that the International Jewish Conspiracy is so perfidious that it keeps us unaware of the damage it is doing by controlling the news media.

107 Cathypop  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:35:05am

Morning Lizards. Beautiful sunrise and 18 degrees.

108 Øyvind Strømmen  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:40:43am

re: #93 gegenkritik

If my friend Oslogin ("Critique of Islam is the same as Anti-Semitism") is reading in this thread, I recommend him reading this article in the JPost:

And I'd simply recommend you to stop lying, and to stop finding new threads to lie about me on. I have never said or even implied that critique of Islam is the same as anti-Semitism; and by the way, Islamophobia - if that term, which I generally refrain from using at all, is supposed to have any meaning whatsoever.

Let me also point to you this blogpost by Deborah Lipstadt, since you claim to be such an avid fan of her: [Link: lipstadt.blogspot.com...]

According to the AP a Muslim woman was arrested for refusing to take off her head scarf at a courthouse security checkpoint. She was ordered to serve 10 days in jail for contempt of court, said police in Douglasville, a city of about 20,000 people on Atlanta's west suburban outskirts.

[...]

I guess the good ole boys who run the court did not like it. If this happened to someone wearing a kipah Jews would be up in arms and rightfully so. There is no difference here.

.

I guess that's Lipstadt engaging in what you would call soft-core denialism (quoting her), by pointing out a similarity between anti-Islamic bigotry and anti-Semitism.

109 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:41:00am

re: #102 RogueOne

The lack of support seems to be an ongoing issue. IIRC it took them quite awhile to sell out a playoff game a couple years ago. What do you think the problem is down there, too many options for football fans or is it as simple as just too big a stadium?

I think most folks already had a team and/or don't like the Jags. Personally, I have always been a Dallas fan, so never really got excited about the Jags. Lots of Dolphin and Buc fans here in Jax too.

110 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:42:52am

re: #106 ralphieboy

I say a picture of the Obama/Rothchild poster on this site or on a link from this site, but I cannot remember where or when.

Those folks would maintain that the International Jewish Conspiracy is so perfidious that it keeps us unaware of the damage it is doing by controlling the news media.

You would think a Sekrit Kenyan Mooslim wouldn't take orders from the Joooos!
//really necessary?

111 Øyvind Strømmen  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:44:08am

re: #108 oslogin

PIMF:

And by the way, Islamophobia - if that term, which I generally refrain from using at all, is supposed to have any meaning whatsoever - is most decidedly not the same as criticism of Islam.

Let me add:

I understand your need to reduce banning minarets, which was what we originally discussed, to a "critique of Islam"; but even if it makes your world much easier, that's not what it is: banning minarets is bigotry, and it's in violation of religious freedom, a basic human right.

112 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:44:09am

Just popped this in spinoffs: excerpt from Game Change. Backstory on the Edwards campaign and the affair.

St Elizabeth and the Ego Monster

A candidate whose aides were prepared to block him from becoming president. A wife whose virtuous image was a mirage. A mistress with a video camera. In an excerpt from the new book Game Change—their sweeping account of the 2008 campaign—the authors reveal that, inside the Edwards triangle, nothing was too crazy to be true.


NYmag is exaggerating when they characterise it as showing that Elizabeth Edwards' virtuous image is a mirage, but it's still worth reading if you want to know about what was happening within the Edwards campaign. (assuming this is true).
However much you already dislike John Edwards, you'll come away liking him even less.

113 gegenkritik  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:48:16am

re: #108 oslogin
You claimed several times, that Anti-semitism is not different from hostility towards Muslims (while for you, this hostility is not even limited to actual xenophobia, but every critique of Islam, such as pointing out the misogynic function of headscarves or the claim to power that materializises in minarets).

As for Lipstadt, I can only repeat myself from this thread:

Even if she might regressed in recent years [...], it does not derogate her former work and her point of softcore-denial of the Holocaust is still true for people who claim that Muslims are the Jews of today and that after a ban for minarets the next ideological step are gas-chambers.

114 gegenkritik  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:51:26am

re: #111 oslogin
It's ridiculous when Islam-apologets hide behind phrases like "basic human rights", as for them, the object to be protected by those rights is not the individual human being, but the Islamic religion, which they seek to immunize against every critique.

115 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:55:07am

re: #112 iceweasel

Isn't Edwards the lawyer who once 'channeled' the voice of an unborn child during a court case?

116 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:56:55am

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

Check out Mark Steyn's latest column. He gives Obama a justified backhand for yet again failing to recognize the enemy:

But We’re Still Gonna Kill You

That is an awesome article. I liked this part..."According to one poll, 58 percent of Americans are in favor of waterboarding young Umar Farouk. Well, you should have thought about that before you made a community organizer president of the world’s superpower"

And there are other gems in it too numerous to mention :))

117 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:58:38am

re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth

Wait a minute... you're a mom?
/


Good un :))) lol

118 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:58:50am

re: #115 Taqyia2Me

Isn't Edwards the lawyer who once 'channeled' the voice of an unborn child during a court case?

Could be, I don't know. I'm really not familiar with his record as a trial lawyer.
I could see it happening though, especially as I think he did have a few cases that involved taking on insurance companies.

119 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 5:59:07am

re: #112 iceweasel

Good read so far, although I'd like to know more about the author. Even though I think Edwards is a huge douchebag and my bias makes me want to believe every word of it, it feels like a hit piece.

This part jumped out at me. I think people forget how shallow a lot of voters are.....

Even before the cancer, she was among her husband’s greatest political assets. In one focus group conducted by Hickman in Edwards’s Senate race, voters trashed him as a pretty-boy shyster—until they saw pictures of Elizabeth, four years his senior. “I like that he’s got a fat wife,” one woman said. “I thought he’d be married to a Barbie or a cheerleader.”
120 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:03:12am

re: #118 iceweasel

I'll check it out when I'm off this Iphone (not adept with it) and post later.
Have a good Sunday!

121 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:03:33am

re: #119 RogueOne

Good read so far, although I'd like to know more about the author. Even though I think Edwards is a huge douchebag and my bias makes me want to believe every word of it, it feels like a hit piece.

This part jumped out at me. I think people forget how shallow a lot of voters are...

Well, the authors are Mark Helperin and John Heilemann. This is the book being released tomorrow that also broke the news about Harry Reid's 'Negro' and 'lightskinned' comments about Obama.
I'm inclined to take some of the info in it with a grain of salt, but a lot of the info coming out from it does seem to be true.

Yeah, that comment jumped out at me as well. It's easy for those of us who comment here and are semi-obsessed with politics to forget that we're far from representative of the average voter.

122 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:04:27am

The edwards story needs a soundtrack:

123 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:04:32am

re: #120 Taqyia2Me

I'll check it out when I'm off this Iphone (not adept with it) and post later.
Have a good Sunday!

Cool, looking forward to it! Have a great day!

124 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:07:33am

Gov.Tom Kaine is on the Mike Wallace show right now saying Reid's remarks about Obama were a compliment :))
Heh :)

125 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:13:05am

re: #124 Blueheron

Gov.Tom Kaine is on the Mike Wallace show right now saying Reid's remarks about Obama were a compliment :))
Heh :)

Heh. Yeah, that spin will work. Not.

The book also claims to reveal just what Bill Clinton said that pissed Ted Kennedy off so much:

One of the enduring mysteries of the 2008 campaign was what got Ted Kennedy so mad at Bill Clinton. The former president's entreaties, at some point, backfired, and the explanation has never quite emerged.

I've finally gotten my hands on a copy of Game Change, in which John Heliemann and Mark Halperin report:

[A]s Hillary bungled Caroline, Bill’s handling of Ted was even worse. The day after Iowa, he phoned Kennedy and pressed for an endorsement, making the case for his wife. But Bill then went on, belittling Obama in a manner that deeply offended Kennedy. Recounting the conversation later to a friend, Teddy fumed that Clinton had said, "A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee."

Clinton could possibly have a better defence for his statement than Reid for his, in that he could conceivably have been referring to Obama's junior status in the Senate and relatively recent appearance on the national scene compared to them, but allegedly Kennedy sure didn't take it that way.

126 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:19:34am

re: #121 iceweasel

Well, the authors are Mark Helperin and John Heilemann. This is the book being released tomorrow that also broke the news about Harry Reid's 'Negro' and 'lightskinned' comments about Obama.
I'm inclined to take some of the info in it with a grain of salt, but a lot of the info coming out from it does seem to be true.

Yeah, that comment jumped out at me as well. It's easy for those of us who comment here and are semi-obsessed with politics to forget that we're far from representative of the average voter.

I feel sorry for President Obama. He is even more isolated than most simply because of racism.
I don't like his handling of many things but to me if the American people don't in the end stand with him he will become a tragic figure and we will be the loosers.
Or maybe I had better get my coffee./

127 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:22:22am

re: #124 Blueheron

Gov.Tom Kaine is on the Mike Wallace show right now saying Reid's remarks about Obama were a compliment :))
Heh :)

Suppression of overt public expressions of racism is one thing. Achieving anything approaching the post-racial ideal expressed by Barack Obama is quite another.
And then there are the deniers.

128 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:24:03am

re: #125 iceweasel

Clinton could possibly have a better defence for his statement than Reid for his, in that he could conceivably have been referring to Obama's junior status in the Senate and relatively recent appearance on the national scene compared to them, but allegedly Kennedy sure didn't take it that way.

Morning ya'll! Heyas Ice Ice baby!

Actually, that's the way I took what Clinton said. I can not imagine that man having a prejudice bone in his body. But sometime folks do have a bad choice of words. He did a great deal for Blacks and Native Americans while he was president.

Mike Steele and Tim Kaine just got finished chatting on Meet the Press. They talked about Trent Lott's racist statements, but wasn't that about praising segregation?

Now Governor Ahhnold is on.

129 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:24:48am

re: #126 Blueheron

I feel sorry for President Obama. He is even more isolated than most simply because of racism.
I don't like his handling of many things but to me if the American people don't in the end stand with him he will become a tragic figure and we will be the loosers.
Or maybe I had better get my coffee./

Hee! Yes.
I'm tempted to embed here a MP3 from Obama's audiobook. He recorded it himself, and there's this clip of him saying, (quoting someone else) "There are white people, and then there are ignorant motherf--rs like you."
Every so often when I'm pissed off at racist attacks on him I listen to it and feel a little better. :)

I'm kind of surprised the wingnuts never got hold of it and made it another Outrageous Outrage. Maybe they did and I missed it.

130 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:28:13am

Arnold is looking really good, I must say. Ya know, for an older fellow with a stressful job.

131 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:28:49am

re: #128 marjoriemoon

Morning ya'll! Heyas Ice Ice baby!

Actually, that's the way I took what Clinton said. I can not imagine that man having a prejudice bone in his body. But sometime folks do have a bad choice of words. He did a great deal for Blacks and Native Americans while he was president.

Mike Steele and Tim Kaine just got finished chatting on Meet the Press. They talked about Trent Lott's racist statements, but wasn't that about praising segregation?

Now Governor Ahhnold is on.

Hey Mmmmm! S'up?
I take Clinton's comment that way also. I think Kennedy was more likely pissed at his whole tenor of criticism of Obama in that call.

132 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:29:42am

re: #121 iceweasel

FTA:

And next month Andrew Young will publish a tell-all book that promises to give new definition to the term sordid

This should be fun. Couldn't happen to a nicer person, chalk another one up for Karma. BTW, I agree with your assessment of how Elizabeth comes out looking in this. She was a protective spouse who got punked, I don't see how she comes out looking bad at all.

133 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:30:17am

I was just reading his autobiography (got it for Christmas), and that quote was a response to a coach who called his teammate a "n*****".

When Obama took offense at it, the coach replied, "there are black people and there are n*****s. He was a n*****", to which Obama replied:
"There are white people, and then there are ignorant motherf--rs like you."

Just the sort of thing to lift out of context to demonstrate Obama is a "racist with a deep-seated hatred of white culture".

134 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:32:41am

re: #126 Blueheron

I feel sorry for President Obama. He is even more isolated than most simply because of racism.
I don't like his handling of many things but to me if the American people don't in the end stand with him he will become a tragic figure and we will be the loosers.
Or maybe I had better get my coffee./

Look...Obama won the election handily and the Dems have enough members to control Congress. How much more of a mandate do they require in order for Obama to progress from his lovely rhetoric to actually taking concrete action to fulfill his campaign promises and to actually lead?
How long are some folks going to go on blaming Bush and the GOP for the impotence of this administration?

135 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:33:01am

re: #133 ralphieboy

I was just reading his autobiography (got it for Christmas), and that quote was a response to a coach who called his teammate a "n*****".

When Obama took offense at it, the coach replied, "there are black people and there are n*****s. He was a n*****", to which Obama replied:
"There are white people, and then there are ignorant motherf--rs like you."

Just the sort of thing to lift out of context to demonstrate Obama is a "racist with a deep-seated hatred of white culture".

Oh see, I hadn't even realised it was something Obama himself had said. Thanks. I did remember a story about his coach though.
Yeah, one reason I haven't embedded the clip here ever is because so many people read here and I can just see that MP3 turning up all over the rightwing blogosphere as a result.

136 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:37:15am

re: #134 Spare O'Lake

Look...Obama won the election handily and the Dems have enough members to control Congress. How much more of a mandate do they require in order for Obama to progress from his lovely rhetoric to actually taking concrete action to fulfill his campaign promises and to actually lead?
How long are some folks going to go on blaming Bush and the GOP for the impotence of this administration?


That was not the point of my remarks. It had nothing to do with Bush but had to do with remarks made by Harry Reid about Obama.

137 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:37:31am

re: #132 RogueOne

FTA:

This should be fun. Couldn't happen to a nicer person, chalk another one up for Karma. BTW, I agree with your assessment of how Elizabeth comes out looking in this. She was a protective spouse who got punked, I don't see how she comes out looking bad at all.

Exactly. The most they have on her is that she was occasionally mean to some (unnamed) staffers.
The woman has cancer, received a diagnosis during the campaign confirming it is incurable, and was completely deceived and repeatedly lied to by her cheating husband. You'd think they'd cut her some slack here.

138 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:38:23am

re: #135 iceweasel

Yunno, there is a lot about Obama that one could misinterpret if taken out of context. But those people who refuse to see him in context tend to be those who see him only as an "N-word".

139 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:40:52am

re: #138 ralphieboy

Yunno, there is a lot about Obama that one could misinterpret if taken out of context. But those people who refuse to see him in context tend to be those who see him only as an "N-word".

Yep. Just as there is a lot to legitimately criticise about Obama, whether from the left or the right. Those who are incapable of giving him any credit for anything tend to be those who are still pissed that he's president at all.
Some of those people are racists too, but by no means all of them.

140 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:44:44am

My own theory is this: nobody wants to openly admit to being a racist and hating Obama for being black.

But many who do are very open to whatever criticism they run across of Obama, no matter how unfounded, in order to give vent to their pent-up frustration at not being allowed to just shout the N-word at him.

That again, does not make up the sum of his critics, but I think it helps to explain a lot of the vociferous and unfounded criticism he has been subjected to.

141 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:45:26am

re: #136 Blueheron

That was not the point of my remarks. It had nothing to do with Bush but had to do with remarks made by Harry Reid about Obama.

Harry Reid's (and Bill Clinton's) racist comments stand in stark contrast to Obama's vacuous rhetoric about how America is post-racial.
It is also an inconvenient reminder that racism is alive and well in the Democratic Party.

142 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:47:25am

re: #141 Spare O'Lake

Harry Reid's (and Bill Clinton's) racist comments stand in stark contrast to Obama's vacuous rhetoric about how America is post-racial.
It is also an inconvenient reminder that racism is alive and well in the Democratic Party.


Bingo.

143 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:48:51am

re: #141 Spare O'Lake

Harry Reid's (and Bill Clinton's) racist comments stand in stark contrast to Obama's vacuous rhetoric about how America is post-racial.
It is also an inconvenient reminder that racism is alive and well in the Democratic Party.

I think Obama, of all people, knows damned well that we're not post-racial. The point was to run a campaign that stayed, as much as possible, above the rhetoric of race.
And no one would deny that racists can be Democrats too. Some however do like to claim that it's people who point out racism who are 'the real racists'.

144 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:51:08am

re: #140 ralphieboy

My own theory is this: nobody wants to openly admit to being a racist and hating Obama for being black.

But many who do are very open to whatever criticism they run across of Obama, no matter how unfounded, in order to give vent to their pent-up frustration at not being allowed to just shout the N-word at him.

That again, does not make up the sum of his critics, but I think it helps to explain a lot of the vociferous and unfounded criticism he has been subjected to.

I've said repeatedly that that is a short sighted view. People tend to think of history as a place where people dealt with each other with respect and were only critical over actual policy differences, which is a crock. Look at the first year of Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Johnson, etc.... They took a beating. The first year of a presidency is rough and this president walked into a tough situation and he hasn't made it easy on himself. Why do you want to blame racism, when this country just elected a black man which would have been unheard of just 40 years ago, instead of looking at what has actually been happening with his policy issues?

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:51:12am

It is part of human nature to judge people by their appearance, to tht effect we are all "racist". The difference is extent to which we allow these judgements to influence the way in which we treat people.

146 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:53:16am

re: #144 RogueOne

To add to that, the fact that the kennedy seat is even considered to be in play shows how far off the rails their party has gone. You can't blame racism for losing Jersey and bleeding independents in the polls. The president isn't coming under fire from all sides because of his race.

147 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:56:02am

re: #141 Spare O'Lake

Harry Reid's (and Bill Clinton's) racist comments stand in stark contrast to Obama's vacuous rhetoric about how America is post-racial.
It is also an inconvenient reminder that racism is alive and well in the Democratic Party.

Well, I disagree. We are in a great respect, post racial. We elected a Black man by a wide margin which is something that never could have happened 30 or 40 years ago. Have we solved all our racial problems? Of course not and Obama has said the same, but we've come miles away from where we were.

Racism is still alive, period. One could argue (I suppose) who is more racist, Democrats or Republicans, but what's the point in that? How are you going to prove anything?

148 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:57:28am

re: #144 RogueOne

I've said repeatedly that that is a short sighted view. People tend to think of history as a place where people dealt with each other with respect and were only critical over actual policy differences, which is a crock. Look at the first year of Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Johnson, etc... They took a beating. The first year of a presidency is rough and this president walked into a tough situation and he hasn't made it easy on himself. Why do you want to blame racism, when this country just elected a black man which would have been unheard of just 40 years ago, instead of looking at what has actually been happening with his policy issues?


I just wanted to point out that there are some - repeat SOME - inveterate racists out there who cannot bring themselves to just call Obama the N-word, which makes them open to the most unfounded and ridiculous claims and cricicism against him.

There are grounds to disagree with Obama and it should be possible to hold a civil and reasonable discourse about it, without threats, slurs and falsehoods. But for some pople, that seems to be either impossible or just uniniteresting.

149 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 6:58:55am

Morning; I see this is still going and I will try my best not to get deleted again.

Honestly, while pure color of skin racism certainly exists, the primary "racism" that is usually referenced is not skin color, but culture.

There is no denying that there exist both white and black subcultures that aren't pretty, and clearly there are people like, for example, Reverend Wright who do all they can make sure there are distinct and confrontational cultural, if not racist, boundaries.

Perhaps, using the right terminology, one can suggest that Obama can stand on both sides of the boundary?

150 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:00:07am

re: #144 RogueOne

I've said repeatedly that that is a short sighted view. People tend to think of history as a place where people dealt with each other with respect and were only critical over actual policy differences, which is a crock. Look at the first year of Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Johnson, etc... They took a beating. The first year of a presidency is rough and this president walked into a tough situation and he hasn't made it easy on himself. Why do you want to blame racism, when this country just elected a black man which would have been unheard of just 40 years ago, instead of looking at what has actually been happening with his policy issues?

Rogue I feel for Obama because he can not rely on good will from those of his own party. He is isolated in a way that no other President has ever been. I suppose it will be the same for the first woman president.

151 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:01:03am

re: #149 Naso Tang

Northern ireland is a prime example of how people of the same skin color have learned to hate each other for centures.

152 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:01:13am

The Little green football prayer list

We pray Father for our dear Lizards in need... Those that cry out for help and comfort in this hour.
ausador
What a way to start the morning, got a call at six from mom crying and being incoherant so I rushed over there. I find dad laying in about a quart of blood in bed and barely concious. So I got EMS and the ambulance and got him taken to Bayfront. Diabetes, high blood pressure, obesity, irregular heart beat, and now liver cancer and chemo are just eating him up.
If anyone is the praying sort I would appreciate a few said for him, that they at least get the bleed stopped and can stabilize him. I know that we are going to lose him soon, but this quickly is going to be awfully hard on mom.

Reine: Health and Family
gregb - 4 year old son who suffered a head injury last Friday and spent the
weekend in the ICU with some lingering effects all week.
Irish Rose… midlife retraining for a new career
I.R. My Marine was just taken into medical at MCAS Miramar, they think that he may have a blood clot in his leg.
SteveC: Two friends, one needs heart surgery, and one might.
Update from our friend SteveC:
News on both my friends - the one who might have heart surgery: They're going to adjust her medication and try a Brachoscopy (?) before deciding on the surgery.
Update
After surgery to replace her Aortic valve, my friend was released from the hospital today! Since she is at Mayo Clinic and lives several hundred miles away, her family is staying at a local hotel and will head for home tomorrow!
Anyone who held a good thought for her, I humbly thank you.

My other friend got a surgical date in January. She quickly got tired of the waiting and asked the surgeon if she could reschedule earlier. Now she's set for Nov 16


lurking faith… prayers for an aunt
,
Beekiller: Sister has been diagnosed with Cancer…We pray for a speedy recovery
Wlewisiii: Son John has the H1N1 flu….May God touch and heal him this morning
Prairiefire: Health for Family and friends
Mcspiff: if you could add my uncle to the list. He went in for surgery today and it didn't go so well. Extra organs had to come out, etc. Still just hearing bits and pieces now. But any prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Yesandno’s husband passed away Friday.. Pray for her comfort
Thanksgiving: Odbicut: Friends little brother recovering From N1H1 virus..
Thank you Lord
In Memoriam:
Obi Wan
Dublin(CA)Dude
USMC 1968
ElderZion
All our Troops who have died protecting our Freedom and their families.
Lord. Hear our Prayers

153 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:01:46am

re: #147 marjoriemoon

Well, I disagree. We are in a great respect, post racial. We elected a Black man by a wide margin which is something that never could have happened 30 or 40 years ago. Have we solved all our racial problems? Of course not and Obama has said the same, but we've come miles away from where we were.

Racism is still alive, period. One could argue (I suppose) who is more racist, Democrats or Republicans, but what's the point in that? How are you going to prove anything?

With ten miles behind us,
And ten thousand more to go...

154 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:03:00am

re: #148 ralphieboy

I keep seeing people, not you, trying to blame the rough treatment the president is receiving as completely unfounded and therefore must be based on racism when the evidence to the contrary is everywhere to be seen. His policy positions are growing increasingly unpopular and they seriously overreached this last year. People all across the political divide are irritable. I keep pointing out how quickly the independent vote is bailing on them because if they don't get their heads out of their asses they're going to make the clinton mid-terms in '94 look like the good ol' days.

155 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:07:47am

re: #151 ralphieboy

Northern ireland is a prime example of how people of the same skin color have learned to hate each other for centures.

Speaking of which, police officer there in critical condition after a car bomb:

Northern Ireland car bomb injures policeman
‘Attempt to murder’ is latest in increasingly frequent attacks in province

156 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:09:08am

re: #150 Blueheron

Rogue I feel for Obama because he can not rely on good will from those of his own party. He is isolated in a way that no other President has ever been. I suppose it will be the same for the first woman president.

I don't feel sorry for a man who's led what can easily be called a gifted life. He has made it where he is through his own hard work, some real luck, and by taking advantage of the opportunities he's been presented with. He's a role model in terms of what it takes to be a success.

Unless you really think clinton and reid are racists (I don't) I'm not sure why I should feel sorry for a guy who's worked hard, achieved his goals, and then found some people aren't as sensitive as they could be,

157 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:10:45am

Good morning lizards.

Clear and cool in Philly this morning. Time to head out and do some grocery shopping before watching football this afternoon. Tonight's menu is pork shoulder, glazed carrots, plus possibly getting a pot of soup going for lunch during the rest of the week.

158 darthstar  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:12:09am

I'm a little late to the disucssion, but just saw this WaPo article on 'opposition to Obama' and whether race could play a part.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

It's worth a read.

Good mornin' everyone...hope you're all comfy on your respective hot rocks.

159 srb1976  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:12:16am

Morning everyone! Looks like the little ones are sleeping late this morning!

Still stinking cold in Alabama too!

160 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:13:08am

re: #156 RogueOne

I don't feel sorry for a man who's led what can easily be called a gifted life. He has made it where he is through his own hard work, some real luck, and by taking advantage of the opportunities he's been presented with. He's a role model in terms of what it takes to be a success.

Unless you really think clinton and reid are racists (I don't) I'm not sure why I should feel sorry for a guy who's worked hard, achieved his goals, and then found some people aren't as sensitive as they could be,

I would only add that he's also the picture of the "American citizen". Multi-cultural, multi-racial with no silver spoon in his pocket. But I think that alone pisses a lot of people off.

161 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:14:52am

re: #156 RogueOne

Speaking of being insensitive, some of you parents tell me how I'm supposed to tell my 17 yr old sis-in-law that being so afraid of the dark and having to sleep with every light and tv in the room on is mentally defective and to grow the hell up.

162 srb1976  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:18:09am

re: #161 RogueOne

Speaking of being insensitive, some of you parents tell me how I'm supposed to tell my 17 yr old sis-in-law that being so afraid of the dark and having to sleep with every light and tv in the room on is mentally defective and to grow the hell up.

Wow, that seems pretty severe.....maybe proffesional help might be in order......(I really hope that doesn't sound too mean....I really don't mean it to)

163 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:19:25am

re: #161 RogueOne

Speaking of being insensitive, some of you parents tell me how I'm supposed to tell my 17 yr old sis-in-law that being so afraid of the dark and having to sleep with every light and tv in the room on is mentally defective and to grow the hell up.

When I was a kid I saw the movie the Exorcist...
I kept the lights on when I slept at night..
*If the furniture starts flying around I'm out of here*

164 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:19:30am

re: #161 RogueOne

Speaking of being insensitive, some of you parents tell me how I'm supposed to tell my 17 yr old sis-in-law that being so afraid of the dark and having to sleep with every light and tv in the room on is mentally defective and to grow the hell up.

Hmmm. Maybe you could point out that when she goes to college, her roommates won't appreciate it? Just guessing here that peer pressure can often do what parental pressure can't.

165 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:20:05am

re: #162 srb1976

I already suggested that, my wife didn't think it was funny.

166 SixDegrees  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:21:04am

re: #161 RogueOne

Speaking of being insensitive, some of you parents tell me how I'm supposed to tell my 17 yr old sis-in-law that being so afraid of the dark and having to sleep with every light and tv in the room on is mentally defective and to grow the hell up.

Make her fork over a share of the electric bill.

167 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:21:15am

re: #164 iceweasel

I think college might be reaching a little high. I'm just hoping I can talk her into joining the air force or something or she's probably going to end up in beauty college. I married the only smart sister in that group.

168 darthstar  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:23:19am

re: #161 RogueOne

Speaking of being insensitive, some of you parents tell me how I'm supposed to tell my 17 yr old sis-in-law that being so afraid of the dark and having to sleep with every light and tv in the room on is mentally defective and to grow the hell up.

It sounds like she's just gotten used to falling asleep with the TV on. Tell her parents to pull the plug on the TV in her room and she'll start turning the lights out on her own soon after.

169 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:24:29am

re: #164 iceweasel

My response sounded a little mean. She's not dumb, I'm actually very impressed with her reading retention, but her family doesn't place education very high on the priority list.

170 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:26:16am

re: #168 darthstar

She lives with us. She moved in over the summer to finish high school here. Her family lives in BFE on the SD border and she hated incredibly small town country life so they let her move here.

171 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:26:23am

re: #158 darthstar

I'm a little late to the disucssion, but just saw this WaPo article on 'opposition to Obama' and whether race could play a part.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

It's worth a read.

Good mornin' everyone...hope you're all comfy on your respective hot rocks.

I don't know how that study correlates to how people feel about Obama or how accurate it is at all. White people are supposed to judge their feelings about the name "Shaniqua?" Sorry, but what the hell is that supposed to mean or prove?

Obama is primarily judged on his policies. He's a popular liberal and still remains popular with his party even if there is disappointment. There is a very small minority in this country that won't accept anything coming from a Black man. Maybe they get a lot of press, but I believe does not represent the majority of his supporters OR detractors.

172 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:28:29am

re: #169 RogueOne

My response sounded a little mean. She's not dumb, I'm actually very impressed with her reading retention, but her family doesn't place education very high on the priority list.

Maybe you can talk her into getting a 2 yr associate degree somewhere? A lot of people whose HS records aren't the best do that, and a lot of 4 yr colleges will let you then transfer in and accept many of those credits towards a degree.
Something like accounting could be useful. Better than beauty school, I would think, esp in terms of earning potential. (Though a lot of people do make a good living cutting hair.)

173 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:30:29am

re: #169 RogueOne

My response sounded a little mean. She's not dumb, I'm actually very impressed with her reading retention, but her family doesn't place education very high on the priority list.

Well there's nothing wrong with graduating from beauty school either :) They make a good living. Not everyone has to be a rocket scientist.

Being afraid of the dark at 17 is probably not usual, particularly if it's a chronic thing. There may be another underlying issue(s) and therapy is not a bad idea.

174 darthstar  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:31:14am

re: #170 RogueOne

Tough love time? Say it's a house rule, and if she wants to move back to BFE with her folks, she's welcome to. That or she can get a little personal TV she can take to bed with her and wear ear-buds with. Family's alwasy tough to deal with, so you have my sympathy.

175 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:31:36am

AND it's something you can do out of your house (hair, nails, etc.) so you can always make a living independent of having a boss.

176 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:33:10am

re: #172 iceweasel

She just doesn't have the desire to do anything that might involve learning something. I don't mean to disrespect my in-laws, they're good people, but they're the exact opposite of helicopter parents. My parents were pretty lax by todays standards, I was allowed to make my own mistakes, but it was drilled into us early that being stupid sucks.

177 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:35:20am

re: #172 iceweasel

Maybe you can talk her into getting a 2 yr associate degree somewhere? A lot of people whose HS records aren't the best do that, and a lot of 4 yr colleges will let you then transfer in and accept many of those credits towards a degree.
Something like accounting could be useful. Better than beauty school, I would think, esp in terms of earning potential. (Though a lot of people do make a good living cutting hair.)

When my Nikki signed up for Napa JUCO before transfering to UC Davis the Registration clerk said you have an unusual name.. Are you related to so and so?
Yes that's my daddy..
do you know how fricking proud dad is?

178 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:36:24am

Meryl Streep in awe of Barack Obama

"I think it is thrilling to have someone who is thoughtful and can articulate with a certain amount of passion and dispassion, the necessary choices that we have in the world," she said.

[Link: movies.indiatimes.com...]

articulate!
passion!

179 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:37:12am

re: #177 HoosierHoops

When my Nikki signed up for Napa JUCO before transfering to UC Davis the Registration clerk said you have an unusual name.. Are you related to so and so?
Yes that's my daddy..
do you know how fricking proud dad is?

That's really sweet, Hoops. I bet you she's proud of her daddy too, and with good reason. {Hoops}

180 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:38:08am

re: #177 HoosierHoops

Hoosier, for some reason your dogs popped into my mind last night. Are you going to be able to take them with you?

181 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:41:25am

re: #180 RogueOne

Hoosier, for some reason your dogs popped into my mind last night. Are you going to be able to take them with you?

When I get to Singapore I'll change my Avatar to Winston looking out a high rise apartment in the trade free zone...
The kids have grown up and moved out.. The dog stays..

182 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:41:49am

re: #158 darthstar
Good morning. Hot rock & a hot coffee. It's all good.

183 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:43:05am

re: #181 HoosierHoops

Does he have to go through some sort of quarantine process?

184 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:43:53am

re: #171 marjoriemoon

I think racism is for some, a 'weapon' they choose to use when it suits them, when they want to be nasty. Such people will not show racism towards those they perceive to be on their side politically.

185 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:43:55am

Evidence of An Ancient Amazonian Civilization Found

David Grann, author of the book "The Lost City of Z," points out that the existence of the ruins overturns the previously held belief that this portion of the Amazon basin had always been a pristine wilderness, even though legends of a lost Amazonian city still lingered by the time the Spanish arrived on the continent.

"Although the early conquistadores had heard from the Indians about a fabulously rich Amazonian civilization, which they named El Dorado, the searches for it invariably ended in disaster," Grann wrote on The New Yorker's Web site. "Thousands were wiped out by disease and starvation. And after a toll of death and suffering worthy of Joseph Conrad, most scholars concluded that El Dorado was no more than an illusion."

[Link: www.sphere.com...]

186 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:44:15am

re: #179 iceweasel

That's really sweet, Hoops. I bet you she's proud of her daddy too, and with good reason. {Hoops}

Nikki is a very beautiful girl.. I am very proud of her..
Smart, Cute and she is like Dad.. Never met a stranger..She has a bright future ahead of her

187 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:45:38am

re: #185 Blueheron

Hooray for deforestation!//

188 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:46:05am

re: #183 RogueOne

Does he have to go through some sort of quarantine process?

I have no idea..I just found out Friday where I'm going next...
We'll find out soon

189 srb1976  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:46:33am

re: #184 Jimmah

I think racism is for some, a 'weapon' they choose to use when it suits them, when they want to be nasty. Such people will not show racism towards those they perceive to be on their side politically.

In my opinion, the same thing could be said of the charge of racism....people will fling it at opponents with little or no evidence of anything.....and both of those are bad form....

190 darthstar  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:47:55am

re: #185 Blueheron

Interesting...and impressive. But the clear-cutting of the rain forests still sucks, in my opinion.

191 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:51:08am

re: #185 Blueheron

re: #190 darthstar

Cut 'em down, it's for the science and the children and all that///

Jumping off your link BH I found this story about Percy Fawcett.

192 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:51:25am

re: #190 darthstar

Interesting...and impressive. But the clear-cutting of the rain forests still sucks, in my opinion.

Quite concur. Sorry to post and run, but work beckons.

193 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:51:32am

re: #191 RogueOne

Doh!

[Link: www.boston.com...]

194 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:52:52am

re: #185 Blueheron

Cool stuff! Maybe you should pop it in spinoffs too? More people will see it, and we can all upding you twice for it. :)

195 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:53:45am

re: #190 darthstar

Interesting...and impressive. But the clear-cutting of the rain forests still sucks, in my opinion.

..but the earlier civilization would likely have clearcut the same areas.

196 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:53:46am

re: #189 srb1976

In my opinion, the same thing could be said of the charge of racism...people will fling it at opponents with little or no evidence of anything...and both of those are bad form...

Yep - just look at Glenn Beck, with his crazy "Obama hates white peepul" schtick.

197 Semper Fi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:55:44am

Good morning, Lizards
The clouds have moved eastward and the sun is now making its first impression on the LV Valley. Plenty cool but I'm staying indoors for both games - even have a little pizza. For some reason the coffee seems to have outdone itself this morning and I'm savoring each sip. Still coughing too much (remnants of that virus I suppose) but seems to be on the wane.
Hope all lizards have a great day with much good.

198 srb1976  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:56:07am

re: #196 Jimmah

Yep - just look at Glenn Beck, with his crazy "Obama hates white peepul" schtick.

It works both ways....it's right up there with the whole "if you disagree with Obama you must be a racist" thing....and both are just lousy arguments....all that happens is that people like me stop listening to someone as soon as they go there = )

199 srb1976  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:00:35am

gotta run...later all!

200 KronoGhazi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:02:33am

re: #195 Naso Tang

..but the earlier civilization would likely have clearcut the same areas.

There were many areas where soil was mixed with ash to create better ag soil. I forget the man who found this.

Most of the soil in the Amazon is not good for growing food grade crops, the previous civilization knew this and countered.

201 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:02:50am

BO gave himself a B+ on the economy...but the Stimulus has not private sector created jobs, no goods or services or production...where did the 787b go?...what's it doing?...where has it been spent other than on repairs?...seems to me he has some explaining to do...I agree with this guy...

If, instead of borrowing, or printing, $787 billion, Congress had enacted a $787 billion two-year moratorium on all taxes on capital formation, the recession would be over and the economy would be humming

but we got more taxes and another HUGE deficit increase...and now the HC bill...we are fucked amigos...where is the crisis?...where is the recovery?....where is BO?

[Link: www.herald-mail.com...]

202 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:03:07am

re: #198 srb1976

It works both ways...it's right up there with the whole "if you disagree with Obama you must be a racist" thing...and both are just lousy arguments...all that happens is that people like me stop listening to someone as soon as they go there = )

In principle you are correct. But who actually says that, though? I find that a lot of people who claim that people are saying that are usually people who have just been called out for posting a pic of Obama with a bone through his nose or something like that.

203 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:04:21am

re: #200 BigPapa

There were many areas where soil was mixed with ash to create better ag soil. I forget the man who found this.

Most of the soil in the Amazon is not good for growing food grade crops, the previous civilization knew this and countered.

slash and burn...grow for a few years in weak soils and move on...it works for small populations

204 darthstar  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:05:07am

re: #195 Naso Tang

..but the earlier civilization would likely have clearcut the same areas.

The earlier civilization might pre-date the rainforests...maybe in 8000 years Houston will be a temperate paradise of foliage and animals...wouldn't THAT be an improvement (or any major city, really).

205 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:05:33am
The settlement is so ancient that it undercuts the long-held theory that the Americas were first populated by the Clovis people, who crossed the Bering Strait from Asia at the end of the Ice Age, settled in North America around 11,000 years ago, and then gradually migrated down to Central and South America.

In the cave and at a nearby riverbank settlement, Roosevelt made another astonishing discovery: pottery that dates to 7,500 years ago, predating by more than 2,000 years the earliest pottery found in the Andes or Mesoamerica. This means that the Amazon may have been the earliest ceramic-producing region in all the Americas, and that, as Fawcett radically argued, the region was possibly even a wellspring of South American civilization - that an advanced culture had spread outward, rather than vice versa.

Plus, we already have the "Topper" dig that says the clovis people theory is off by at least 30,000 years.

206 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:08:48am

re: #188 HoosierHoops

I have no idea..I just found out Friday where I'm going next...
We'll find out soon

[Link: www.entersingapore.info...]

Pet import to Singapore is relatively easy but costly and requires a quarantine of 4 weeks. Dogs and cats from Australia, New Zealand, United Kingdom and Ireland are exempt from quarantine. From September 2004, all imported dogs and cats must be identified with an ISO-compatible microchip. Dogs/cats without or with unreadable microchips may be deported or detained for any necessary action. For Documents and vaccinations required see below.

What you need to know before importing your pet
The hot climate and the law requiring dogs be leashed in public places restrict freedom of action considerably. Category A & B dogs must also be muzzled while in public. While approved breeds of dogs are permitted in HDB flats, cats cannot be kept there.

Prior before your pet import to Singapore you need written permission of your landlord to keep a pet at your home in Singapore. Each dog needs a license that is renewed yearly. The license will be revoked if the dog causes a nuisance (excessive barking, defecating in public, biting etc.)

Note: Only certain breeds of dogs are allowed in apartments and permission depends also on the landlord.
Cats are generally not permitted in HDB flats.

Hope this helps,

William

207 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:09:44am

re: #201 albusteve

BO gave himself a B+ on the economy...

Ha. That made me chuckle. He's smart enough to know that people would laugh out loud at the arrogance if he gave himself the grade he really thinks he deserves so he went for the next closest grade instead to show his sense of humility.

208 darthstar  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:10:28am

re: #201 albusteve


If, instead of borrowing, or printing, $787 billion, Congress had enacted a $787 billion two-year moratorium on all taxes on capital formation, the recession would be over and the economy would be humming

Momma and Papa Wal-mart shopper would still be underwater on their home, or facing foreclosure. They're not going to see the benefit of "a moratorium on taxes on capital formation"...they just want their 27 year old son living in the garage to find a fuckin' job and get the hell out of the house.

Suspending taxes on 'capital formation' only helps those with the capital to formate more of it. It does nothing for the middle class and people floating just above the poverty level.

209 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:12:08am

re: #207 Mich-again

Ha. That made me chuckle. He's smart enough to know that people would laugh out loud at the arrogance if he gave himself the grade he really thinks he deserves so he went for the next closest grade instead to show his sense of humility.

yes, a humble servant of the people....I (heart) BO!

210 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:12:19am

re: #206 wlewisiii

[Link: www.entersingapore.info...]

.... The license will be revoked if the dog causes a nuisance (excessive barking, defecating in public, biting etc.).....

Being the big clean freaks they are I'm guessing defecating in public might get you a tazing.//

211 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:12:59am

re: #208 darthstar

Momma and Papa Wal-mart shopper would still be underwater on their home, or facing foreclosure. They're not going to see the benefit of "a moratorium on taxes on capital formation"...they just want their 27 year old son living in the garage to find a fuckin' job and get the hell out of the house.

Suspending taxes on 'capital formation' only helps those with the capital to formate more of it. It does nothing for the middle class and people floating just above the poverty level.

I think the premise is to create jobs

212 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:13:16am

Knights Of The Occasional Table - Um Baby

213 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:14:30am

re: #204 darthstar


wouldn't THAT be an improvement (or any major city, really).

There are so many empty abandoned lots in Detroit and Mother Nature is reclaiming them with trees and all sorts of plants filling the spaces. Left alone it goes from ghetto to meadow pretty quick.

214 KronoGhazi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:15:07am

re: #203 albusteve

slash and burn...grow for a few years in weak soils and move on...it works for small populations

The evidence seemed to point to sustained ag by burning material and mixing into the soil. Some of these areas had sections of soil that were several feet thick. Other materials were mixed in with the soil as well.

215 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:15:17am

re: #206 wlewisiii

Note: Only certain breeds of dogs are allowed in apartments and permission depends also on the landlord.

Winston is a Beverly Hills Chihuahua...He goes where I go..
Fuck Singapore..*wink*

216 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:15:56am

re: #200 BigPapa

There were many areas where soil was mixed with ash to create better ag soil. I forget the man who found this.

Most of the soil in the Amazon is not good for growing food grade crops, the previous civilization knew this and countered.

Where there is the will, there's a way...

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Using aerial photography and satellite imaging, scientists have also begun to find enormous man-made earth mounds and causeways across the Amazon - in particular in the Bolivian flood plains where Fawcett first found his shards of pottery. Clark Erickson, an anthropologist from the University of Pennsylvania who has studied these earthworks in Bolivia, says that the mounds allowed the Indians to continue farming during seasonal floods. To create them, he said, required extraordinary labor and engineering: tons of soil had to be transported, the course of rivers altered, canals excavated, and interconnecting roadways and settlements built. In many ways, he said, the mounds "rival the Egyptian pyramids."

217 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:16:17am

more on CAs woes and the feds...

"The federal government is not responsible for the state of California's budget, and we look forward to hearing a sustainable plan for the state to get its house in order," said Drew Hammill, spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D).

well duh!

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

218 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:19:01am

I kind of wish I could tune into Philadelphia sports talk radio this morning. jes sayin. People around here don't hardly even care anymore about the crap football franchise, so the level of anger never really gets that bad from the sports fan. But after that fiasco last night, I bet Philly fan is in rare form.

219 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:19:26am

re: #214 BigPapa

The evidence seemed to point to sustained ag by burning material and mixing into the soil. Some of these areas had sections of soil that were several feet thick. Other materials were mixed in with the soil as well.

right, you'd have to do something like that to support a static population...jungle dirt is notoriously poor in nutrients

220 darthstar  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:19:37am

re: #213 Mich-again

There are so many empty abandoned lots in Detroit and Mother Nature is reclaiming them with trees and all sorts of plants filling the spaces. Left alone it goes from ghetto to meadow pretty quick.

She's quick, that one...and she doesn't even wait for a permit. She just says, "Hey, if you humans aren't using this, I'll just launch my own beautification project."

221 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:19:53am

re: #218 Mich-again

what a beat-down.

222 KronoGhazi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:20:27am

re: #204 darthstar

The earlier civilization might pre-date the rainforests...maybe in 8000 years Houston will be a temperate paradise of foliage and animals...wouldn't THAT be an improvement (or any major city, really).

It seems you don't like humans.

223 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:20:45am

re: #221 RogueOne

what a beat-down.

Once, twice, three times a lady...

224 Semper Fi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:21:52am

re: #218 Mich-again

I kind of wish I could tune into Philadelphia sports talk radio this morning. jes sayin. People around here don't hardly even care anymore about the crap football franchise, so the level of anger never really gets that bad from the sports fan. But after that fiasco last night, I bet Philly fan is in rare form.

I was really primed for a good close game last night. Philly has the personnel to make that happen but, so it goes.

225 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:22:45am

re: #209 albusteve

yes, a humble servant of the people...I (heart) BO!

That's "I ♥ BO!"

Just helpin ya out there.

226 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:23:04am

re: #224 Semper Fi

I was really primed for a good close game last night. Philly has the personnel to make that happen but, so it goes.

god hates philadelphia//

227 KronoGhazi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:23:12am

re: #219 albusteve

right, you'd have to do something like that to support a static population...jungle dirt is notoriously poor in nutrients

Yes, that's what was fascinating. The scientist built on the premise that they actually mixed in the soil repeatedly, ash and other materials, over a period of time (or seasonally). This is a massive amount of work, but the soil would be sustainable.

I have to find it now....

228 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:23:57am

that photo purports to represent natural beauty, but what it really represents a phonye baloney rainbow coalition with tentacles that reach into every facet of our society and a clear intention to turn this country into a communist dictatorship just like RED CHINA!

/glenn beck mode off

(Good morning Lizards)

229 darthstar  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:25:43am

re: #215 HoosierHoops

Note: Only certain breeds of dogs are allowed in apartments and permission depends also on the landlord.

Winston is a Beverly Hills Chihuahua...He goes where I go..
Fuck Singapore..*wink*

I've got one of those little pocket dogs...here he is emerging from the breakers at Bean Hollow (north of Santa Cruz) after being tossed about by a 4ft wave...but he got the ball.

Banjo

230 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:26:01am

re: #218 Mich-again

I kind of wish I could tune into Philadelphia sports talk radio this morning. jes sayin. People around here don't hardly even care anymore about the crap football franchise, so the level of anger never really gets that bad from the sports fan. But after that fiasco last night, I bet Philly fan is in rare form.

those fans have a lot of resentment and anger...one of the reasons they despise Dallas like they do...one and done, a couple of NFC championships...they feel McNabb let them down at the SB and they hate him for it...some serious sports fans over there and combined with that famed Philly neighborhood toughness and arrogance just boils over...they constantly ridicule Jones for his new stadium, they make fun of Wade Philips softness...they project....just mean ass fans

231 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:26:09am

re: #224 Semper Fi

I was really primed for a good close game last night. Philly has the personnel to make that happen but, so it goes.

Only one team wins it all, but to go out with a whimper like that was dreadful.

232 Semper Fi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:26:11am

re: #226 RogueOne

god hates philadelphia//

I could never have predicted that game.

233 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:26:53am

re: #221 RogueOne

what a beat-down.

yup, and Philly fans will go nearly insane....I love it

234 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:27:34am

Dang, no one is impressed with my mad ascii skillz.

235 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:27:34am

re: #226 RogueOne

god hates philadelphia//

it's the Curse of Billy Penn...look it up, it's true

236 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:27:40am

re: #230 albusteve

they constantly ridicule Jones for his new stadium, they make fun of Wade Philips softness...they project...just mean ass fans

I remember when they pelted Santa Claus with snowballs and booed him. What more can you say..

237 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:27:41am

re: #229 darthstar

I've got one of those little pocket dogs...here he is emerging from the breakers at Bean Hollow (north of Santa Cruz) after being tossed about by a 4ft wave...but he got the ball.

Banjo

Lordy..I'm from Napa.. I've been to Santa Cruz a million times...Nice meeting you...Good morning

238 Semper Fi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:27:53am

re: #231 Mich-again

Only one team wins it all, but to go out with a whimper like that was dreadful.

It especially smarts as many know they're capable of so much more.

239 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:28:47am

re: #230 albusteve

those fans have a lot of resentment and anger...one of the reasons they despise Dallas like they do...one and done, a couple of NFC championships...they feel McNabb let them down at the SB and they hate him for it...some serious sports fans over there and combined with that famed Philly neighborhood toughness and arrogance just boils over...they constantly ridicule Jones for his new stadium, they make fun of Wade Philips softness...they project...just mean ass fans

Philly Eagles fans booed SANTA CLAUS one year ... 'nuff said.

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

240 KronoGhazi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:30:22am

The term is 'black earth' or 'terra preta.'

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: www.sas.upenn.edu...]
[Link: www.innovations-report.com...]

It seems proper creation of 'terra preta' is actually CO2 negative, which means does not contribute to global warming such as slash and burn.

Fascinating.

241 darthstar  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:30:51am

re: #222 BigPapa

It seems you don't like humans.


Nah, I love 'em! I just don't like the way they behave sometimes (myself included).

re: #237 HoosierHoops

Lordy..I'm from Napa.. I've been to Santa Cruz a million times...Nice meeting you...Good morning


I'm up in Woodside myself(1/2 way between SF and SC), but know the Napa well. They grow a decent grape up there.

242 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:32:16am

re: #239 _RememberTonyC

Philly Eagles fans booed SANTA CLAUS one year ... 'nuff said.

Maybe because he refused to come back!

243 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:33:11am

re: #236 Mich-again

I remember when they pelted Santa Claus with snowballs and booed him. What more can you say..

I remember that well...and the Micheal Irvin thing...despicable...deep down they are so envious of Dallas it just spills over...in the 70s and 80s when Dallas owned those guys they were just another weak team...they got better and wanted to swipe the rivalry away from the Redskins....they did it with anger and hate...all in all, the franchise has got what it deserves....nothing

244 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:33:44am

re: #187 RogueOne

Hooray for deforestation!//

What the discovery proves is the forests we believed to be original or old growth I guess were not always there. Mother Nature did a superb job of taking back the area until once again man interferes.

245 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:34:18am

re: #241 darthstar

I'm up in Woodside myself(1/2 way between SF and SC), but know the Napa well. They grow a decent grape up there.

I grew up in Yountville....
Is there nothing more fun than the Santa Cruz Boardwalk on a summer day?
The wooden roller coaster? I have done it for hours..

246 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:34:19am

re: #238 Semper Fi

It especially smarts as many know they're capable of so much more.

an awesome football team up until two weeks ago....look at the offensive stats

247 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:34:37am

re: #242 Mich-again

Maybe because he refused to come back!

Santa used good judgment in avoiding Filthadelphia, the most disgusting big city I have ever visited.

248 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:35:35am

re: #246 albusteve

an awesome football team up until two weeks ago...look at the offensive stats

Cowboys look sharp.. Very impressed with the play... I wish the Colts had your Defense..

249 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:35:45am

re: #194 iceweasel

Cool stuff! Maybe you should pop it in spinoffs too? More people will see it, and we can all upding you twice for it. :)


I don't know how to do that Ice.

250 KronoGhazi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:36:13am

re: #241 darthstar

I'm up in Woodside myself(1/2 way between SF and SC), but know the Napa well. They grow a decent grape up there.

Woodside? You must be $$$! Beautiful area, I used to do some work up around there and still have clients there and in Portola Valley.

It's about as beautiful as Napa, except there's not many grapes.

251 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:37:41am

re: #248 HoosierHoops

Cowboys look sharp.. Very impressed with the play... I wish the Colts had your Defense..

If the pats can beat the ravens today and the chargers next week, while the colts crush the big mouth jets next week, that would set up an Indy/NE AFC Championship game ... we may just have to make a little bet on that one!

252 Semper Fi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:37:50am

re: #246 albusteve

an awesome football team up until two weeks ago...look at the offensive stats

Sometimes I rationalize. Look, what do I expect. The ball is round in the middle and pointed a both ends - anything can happen.

253 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:38:37am

re: #250 BigPapa

Woodside? You must be $$$! Beautiful area, I used to do some work up around there and still have clients there and in Portola Valley.

It's about as beautiful as Napa, except there's not many grapes.

How cool...Napa is the most beautiful place on Earth.. The Hills take your breathe away...
/Shut about about Hawaii BigPapa...*wink*

254 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:39:49am

re: #248 HoosierHoops

Cowboys look sharp.. Very impressed with the play... I wish the Colts had your Defense..

yup, over the last 10 games they are playing insane defense...and they are so young to be that good....the absolutely remind me of the 92 Cowboys, my all time favorite team...in fact these guys are even better...wow!...they just steamroll everybody

255 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:43:27am

re: #254 albusteve

yup, over the last 10 games they are playing insane defense...and they are so young to be that good...the absolutely remind me of the 92 Cowboys, my all time favorite team...in fact these guys are even better...wow!...they just steamroll everybody

once tony romo sacked jessica simpson, things turned around in dallas ...

256 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:44:01am

gotta run for a bit ..... be back shortly!

257 darthstar  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:44:53am

re: #250 BigPapa

We actually just rent up here on the ridge...it is quite beautiful, though. We're looking to buy, but have had a hard time deciding where...we think we've finally settled on Half Moon Bay. We like it there, the dogs like it there, and it's equidistant for our commutes (She to the city, and me to the San Mateo area).

258 KronoGhazi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:45:05am

re: #253 HoosierHoops


/Shut about about Hawaii BigPapa...*wink*

I didn't say nuthin bout nobody.... but yes, I love Napa and would mind spending some of my golden years there... .say Napa in summer, Kona in winter? The 'snowbird' lifestyle is for me!

259 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:45:07am

re: #154 RogueOne

I keep seeing people, not you, trying to blame the rough treatment the president is receiving as completely unfounded and therefore must be based on racism when the evidence to the contrary is everywhere to be seen. His policy positions are growing increasingly unpopular and they seriously overreached this last year. People all across the political divide are irritable. I keep pointing out how quickly the independent vote is bailing on them because if they don't get their heads out of their asses they're going to make the clinton mid-terms in '94 look like the good ol' days.

There are grounds for criticism, even for tough criticism, I am not blaming racism on that. I am talking about the birthers and death panelists, about the folks portraying him as a fascist/communist/zionist/manchurian candidate/cryptoislamist witch doctor/shoeshine boy.

260 Semper Fi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:45:47am

re: #255 _RememberTonyC

once tony romo sacked jessica simpson, things turned around in dallas ...

I hadn't heard of that. Granted things like that can be a positive.

261 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:46:37am

re: #203 albusteve

slash and burn...grow for a few years in weak soils and move on...it works for small populations


True for small populations but what will be found here if not already known is that the sheer numbers of people populating the area is what caused the collapse of El Dorado.
No more firewood for the cookfires. No more charcoal production and having to move further out from the prime center of the city to find those essentials. 60,000 in that day was a huge population. Much larger of any European population center in the same era.

262 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:47:53am

re: #218 Mich-again

I live in Philly, and I'm not even gonna think about listening. (Then again, I'm a transplanted Steeler fan, so I to a certain degree didn't have a dog in that fight last night.)

263 Semper Fi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:48:38am

re: #258 BigPapa

I didn't say nuthin bout nobody... but yes, I love Napa and would mind spending some of my golden years there... .say Napa in summer, Kona in winter? The 'snowbird' lifestyle is for me!

Upding for the snowbird lifestyle.

264 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:49:05am

re: #204 darthstar

The earlier civilization might pre-date the rainforests...maybe in 8000 years Houston will be a temperate paradise of foliage and animals...wouldn't THAT be an improvement (or any major city, really).

I like the Star Trek version of Earth's future. That is pristine forests and clear, clean waters with us living in huge platforms above the forests.

265 Pacificlady  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:49:28am

I was listening to some people debating whether Harry Reid's statement on Obama is racist. The person who suggested having Rush (who I can't stand by the way) say the same words and see whether the statement is racist was very clever. Wished I said it. That Harry, he has a way with words.

266 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:49:32am

Cowboys VS Vikes should be a good game too. It will either be close, or the cowboys will stomp 'em.

267 KronoGhazi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:50:23am

re: #259 ralphieboy

There are grounds for criticism, even for tough criticism, I am not blaming racism on that. I am talking about the birthers and death panelists, about the folks portraying him as a fascist/communist/zionist/manchurian candidate/cryptoislamist witch doctor/shoeshine boy.

You forgot that he hates white people. We should get it all in there while we're at it.

268 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:51:28am

and white culture...

269 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:51:43am

and rabbits

270 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:52:50am

re: #266 RogueOne

Cowboys VS Vikes should be a good game too. It will either be close, or the cowboys will stomp 'em.

Favre is doomed...the Vikings have no chance unless the Cowboys collapse, and right now they smell the blood....they will sack the crap outa the old guy

271 KronoGhazi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:54:24am

and puppies

272 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:54:27am

re: #258 BigPapa

I didn't say nuthin bout nobody... but yes, I love Napa and would mind spending some of my golden years there... .say Napa in summer, Kona in winter? The 'snowbird' lifestyle is for me!

Hard to believe when we were High school kids hanging out at parties on ranches at night..And all we ever did was say how much Napa sucked...
Napa Sucks!
Amen Brother!
Napa Sucks!
You go bro!
Funny how kids think of home

273 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:56:01am

Last hour was well spent. 20-block walk and I picked up food and books. Come home to put lunch in the oven, and find the cats zoned out sleeping on the window sills in the sunlight. Nice and peaceful time for a second cup of coffee.

Question for lizards who read sci-fi and fantasy books. Who are your favorite authors? Today when I cruised the SF/F section in the local Barnes&Noble what I saw is that over half the shelf space looks to be turning into vampire (or at least supernatural) as the primary subject. Not my cup of tea.

I'm currently working my way through the Pratchett Discworld books, but there are a few authors that I consider (or buy) on sight when I see them on the shelf:
Lois McMaster Bujold
Iain M Banks (thought the last few haven't quite been as good)
Charlie Stross

I also noted that Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion cycle books are getting another reprint (Elric and Hawkmoon series at least).

274 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:56:32am

re: #266 RogueOne

Cowboys VS Vikes should be a good game too. It will either be close, or the cowboys will stomp 'em.

No, this will be when Romo chokes this year. I'd bet we'll see a stomping of Dallas like that of Philly. A speed bump on the Vikings trip to Miami Gardens.

:D

William

275 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 8:58:41am

re: #274 wlewisiii

No, this will be when Romo chokes this year. I'd bet we'll see a stomping of Dallas like that of Philly. A speed bump on the Vikings trip to Miami Gardens.

:D

William

everyone has their fantasy...the Dallas Speedbumps?...okay

276 Semper Fi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:00:32am

re: #274 wlewisiii

No, this will be when Romo chokes this year. I'd bet we'll see a stomping of Dallas like that of Philly. A speed bump on the Vikings trip to Miami Gardens.

:D

William

If that happens, they must win after several losses already in the SUPER game.

277 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:01:47am

the gunmen are almost certainly Islamofascists...Nigeria has a huge problem to deal with...tons of high grade oil, a severely corrupt govt, and Islamic bad guys running all around...a disaster waiting to happen

[Link: scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com...]

278 KronoGhazi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:01:52am

what is this thing 'football?' It seems like the spend more time carrying it and throwing it and jumping up and down/high fiving/getting in each other's business than actually kicking it.

279 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:02:51am

re: #278 BigPapa

It's the ultimate talking head sport. Multiple hour games, but the actual action is about 10 minutes.

280 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:04:03am

re: #278 BigPapa

what is this thing 'football?' It seems like the spend more time carrying it and throwing it and jumping up and down/high fiving/getting in each other's business than actually kicking it.

The best Athletes in the world play basketball..Period

281 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:04:50am

re: #276 Semper Fi

If that happens, they must win after several losses already in the SUPER game.

Certainly - they can now that they brought in a quarterback from the Packers.

William

282 Racer X  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:07:06am

re: #273 oaktree

I thought Avatar would have been much better if it had a bunch of vampires running around chewing on humans.

/

283 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:08:07am

re: #282 Racer X

They would have to be *angsty* vampires though. :p

284 Semper Fi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:08:24am

re: #281 wlewisiii

Certainly - they can now that they brought in a quarterback from the Packers.

William

I'm a big Favre fan but I didn't like the looks of the Arizona Cardinal game where the Viking offensive line didn't look up to par.

285 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:08:25am

re: #277 albusteve


Oil and Islamofascism? Seems to be a combination we have encountered before. And it doesn't help our national security profile that we are so dependent on oil from politically backward, corrupt nations with large Islamic populations.

286 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:13:22am

re: #278 BigPapa

what is this thing 'football?' It seems like the spend more time carrying it and throwing it and jumping up and down/high fiving/getting in each other's business than actually kicking it.

But they look soooooo cute in those tight pants!

287 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:13:38am

re: #286 reine.de.tout

But they look sooo cute in those tight pants!

ew - did I just say that?

288 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:13:50am

re: #285 ralphieboy

Oil and Islamofascism? Seems to be a combination we have encountered before. And it doesn't help our national security profile that we are so dependent on oil from politically backward, corrupt nations with large Islamic populations.

another epic fail you can lay squarely at feet of the donks and their enviroweenie minions...we have plenty of gas and oil around here

289 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:14:21am

re: #284 Semper Fi

I'm a big Favre fan but I didn't like the looks of the Arizona Cardinal game where the Viking offensive line didn't look up to par.

Being more serious, I'll agree that is their weakness. The secondary is iffy too. However, Dallas under Romo have a bad habit of choking and the game will be in the noisedome which gives me hope. It should be an interesting game to watch.

William

290 albusteve  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:15:47am

dysfunctional, weary donks want to change the filibuster rules, making it easier to ram bad legislation through the Senate


[Link: www.latimes.com...]

291 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:16:16am

re: #288 albusteve

You miss the subtlety of the plan. Burn up everyone else's oil first. Then the final monopoly is ours...

/

292 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:16:41am

re: #249 Blueheron

I don't know how to do that Ice.

I figured it out Ice and now the link is proudly displayed :))

293 Racer X  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:17:02am

re: #288 albusteve

another epic fail you can lay squarely at feet of the donks and their enviroweenie minions...we have plenty of gas and oil around here

100 years from now the major epic fail will be recognized as the "No Nukes" movement. If we had just built another 300 nuclear power plants over the past 40 years think of how much less dependent on oil we would be.

Fewer terrorists and less global warming too!

294 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:18:44am

Activists Missing After Declaring “War on Leather” at Motorcycle Rally
Excerpts:

“Something just went wrong,” said a still visibly shaken organizer of the protest. “Something just went horribly, horribly, wrong.”
[snip]

“I…I was trying to show my outrage at a man with a heavy leather jacket, and he…he didn’t even care. I called him a murderer, and all he said was, ‘You can’t prove that.’ Next thing I know he forced me to ride on the back of his motorcycle all day, and would not let me off, because his girl friend was out of town and I was almost a woman.”
[snip]

When confronted with the allegations of force-feeding the activists meat, using them as ad hoc latrines, leaving them incapacitated in fast food restaurant dumpsters, and ‘farting on their heads,’ the organizer declined to comment in detail. “That’s just our secret handshake,” assured the organizer.

295 SixDegrees  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:19:59am

re: #290 albusteve

dysfunctional, weary donks want to change the filibuster rules, making it easier to ram bad legislation through the Senate


[Link: www.latimes.com...]

There's a good chance - almost a certainty - that they're going to lose their super-majority of 60 in the fall. Not surprising that they're agitating to change the rules.

It was a bad idea when the GOP proposed it a couple of years ago, and it remains a bad idea now.

296 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:20:01am

We had Iraq and Iran at war for most of the 80's, and selling thier oil at $10 a barrel to finance their militaries. That gave us absolutely no impetus to either conserve, convert or develop local and/or alternative sources.

297 Semper Fi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:27:54am

re: #289 wlewisiii

Being more serious, I'll agree that is their weakness. The secondary is iffy too. However, Dallas under Romo have a bad habit of choking and the game will be in the noisedome which gives me hope. It should be an interesting game to watch.

William

Thru the playoffs I'll be watching Cowboys, Packers and Vikings with favored interest and in no particular order. But, would like to see Favre go all-the-way.

298 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:29:18am

re: #294 abolitionist

Activists Missing After Declaring “War on Leather” at Motorcycle Rally
Excerpts:


I'm sorry but this is hilarious. Talk about not sticking your nose in someone elses business :)))

299 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:29:47am

re: #22 avanti

Actually a interesting thread over at Hot Air discussing Avatar. About half the posters loved the movie, the other half sees a liberal slant and condemn it.

I saw it recently. Love the 3D. The liberal slant I presume is that in this case the funny looking people win?

Honestly, I give the story line a C. It was nothing but a vehicle for a combination of cool hardware and cool nature special effects, and I thought the one word explanation for the mining was tacky. "Unobtainium"? Give me a break.

The other part that had no rational attempted explanation was the pretty floating mountains. There they went for the scenery, and zero attempt to make sense of anything.

Anyway, a great visual experience. Go see it if you haven't but leave your critical half at home. Obviously I didn't.

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:34:58am

re: #227 BigPapa

Yes, that's what was fascinating. The scientist built on the premise that they actually mixed in the soil repeatedly, ash and other materials, over a period of time (or seasonally). This is a massive amount of work, but the soil would be sustainable.

I have to find it now...

In the west of Ireland, they used to burn and mulch seaweed, somehow. The soil out there is incredibly poor, they spend generations building up patches that could be used for farming.

301 Randall Gross  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:37:53am

re: #298 Blueheron

I'm sorry but this is hilarious. Talk about not sticking your nose in someone elses business :)))

One note about that, that's reprinted from a humor site that does nothing but satire, it's not a true story.

302 Four More Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:38:15am

re: #299 Naso Tang

"Unobtainium"? Give me a break.

At some point you may as well just name a story's object of desire "MacGuffin."

303 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:39:03am

Remember Upsidasium from "Rocky and Bullwinkle"?

304 Semper Fi  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:39:50am

Time goes so quickly and enjoyably on LGF. You lizards are the best company and even though I'm seldom involved with political discussions, I learn much from all of you. Maybe, at some point, I'll be able to knowledgeably join in.
Please enjoy your Sunday.

305 JoyousMN  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:40:40am

The Vikings will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like they always do.

I had high hopes for them (like I always do, dammit) until the Arizona game. That's when I realized that Farve or no they were the same Vikings I've known, loved and been dumped on for more than 25 years...

Being a Vikes fan is that it teaches you tremendous humility.

On a side note, my fav football quote is from very my quick-witted nephew. He said that Brett Farve coming to play for the Vikings was like General Norman Schwarzkopf coming out of retirement to lead the Taliban. LOL

Have a great football day, lizards.

306 SixDegrees  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:43:20am

re: #302 JasonA

At some point you may as well just name a story's object of desire "MacGuffin."

It wasn't quite clear - to me, anyway - that the single reference to "unobtainium" was meant as an earnest statement of the mineral's name or was uttered as sarcasm. I took it as the latter, that the corporate suit who made the statement was simply dripping snark.

As noted, it hardly matters. The movie is about keeping the action in motion, and anything that interferes with that goal - plot, character development, backstory, etcetera - gets shoved aside. Even NPR was critical of the stereotypical, broad-brushed storyline. Like me, though, they agreed that such weighty concerns are secondary to a movie meant as pure entertainment, and one that was never intended to put any stress on higher brain functions.

307 darthstar  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:44:03am

re: #295 SixDegrees

There's a good chance - almost a certainty - that they're going to lose their super-majority of 60 in the fall. Not surprising that they're agitating to change the rules.

It was a bad idea when the GOP proposed it a couple of years ago, and it remains a bad idea now.

Then again, with 2 democrats and 5 Republicans retiring this year, they could pick up a seat.re: #305 JoyousMN

The Vikings will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like they always do.

I had high hopes for them (like I always do, dammit) until the Arizona game. That's when I realized that Farve or no they were the same Vikings I've known, loved and been dumped on for more than 25 years...

Being a Vikes fan is that it teaches you tremendous humility.

On a side note, my fav football quote is from very my quick-witted nephew. He said that Brett Farve coming to play for the Vikings was like General Norman Schwarzkopf coming out of retirement to lead the Taliban. LOL

Have a great football day, lizards.

As a Vikings fan myself, I'm happy to report that the Vikings will still be in the playoffs through January 16th...unlike the Eagles! ;)

308 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:47:33am

re: #301 Thanos

One note about that, that's reprinted from a humor site that does nothing but satire, it's not a true story.


I figured that one out but gosh wouldn't it be fun if true :))

309 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:48:16am

re: #298 Blueheron

I'm sorry but this is hilarious. Talk about not sticking your nose in someone elses business :)))

re: #294 abolitionist

Source - It's a satire site. (Scroll to bottom)

Here's another: TSA Takes “Security” Out of Name
Posted by Reverend Mike

Washington DC (GlossyNews) — The US Transportation Security Administration today announced effective February 1, 2010, the Administration will take the word “Security” out of its title, becoming simply the US Transportation Administration.

The official spokesman for the Administration, Roger ‘ Pink ‘ Floyd, told the Glossy News this morning, “The whole security thing is a lot harder than we originally thought. We think it is just beyond the scope of services we can offer at this time.”
[snip]

Check out Rev Mike's "bio"

310 Blueheron  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:49:01am

re: #304 Semper Fi

Time goes so quickly and enjoyably on LGF. You lizards are the best company and even though I'm seldom involved with political discussions, I learn much from all of you. Maybe, at some point, I'll be able to knowledgeably join in.
Please enjoy your Sunday.


You are pretty darned cool yourself :)

311 Four More Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:49:11am

re: #306 SixDegrees

At that length the only that was stretched was my bladder.

312 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:51:59am

re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist

In the west of Ireland, they used to burn and mulch seaweed, somehow. The soil out there is incredibly poor, they spend generations building up patches that could be used for farming.

Speaking of how ingenious humans are:

[Link: io9.com...]


Advanced Imaging Reveals a Computer 1,500 Years Ahead of Its Time

X-rays and advanced photography have uncovered the true complexity of the mysterious Antikythera mechanism, a device so astonishing that its discovery is like finding a functional Buick in medieval Europe.

313 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 9:57:22am

re: #312 RogueOne

Did they finally decipher the engraving on the outside to mean "Intel inside"?

314 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 10:05:45am

wow. 83-yard run by Rice on 1st play of game. Ravens up 7-0 like that.

315 RogueOne  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 10:11:07am

re: #313 oaktree

Seems like it. There are a couple video links in the story. It's incredible. Not only the technological ability to make it but the amount of knowledge that had been gained about the universe around them that the makers didn't understand but were still able to account for in a time piece. Humanity has always been impressively ingenious.

316 JoyousMN  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 10:22:25am

Woah, Ravens looking hot today.

317 Øyvind Strømmen  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 10:22:45am

re: #113 gegenkritik

You claimed several times, that Anti-semitism is not different from hostility towards Muslims

See, here you come closer to the truth. I have said - repeatedly - that one could easily draw comparisons between some kinds of anti-Islamic bigotry in modern-day Europe and anti-Semitism in the form that existed in for instance 1814 or 1914 in Norway. And I'm not the only one to do so, the ADL makes a comparison between the minaret ban and the ban on kosher meat in Switzerland a century ago. From their statement:

This is not the first time a Swiss popular vote has been used to promote religious intolerance. A century ago, a Swiss referendum banned Jewish ritual slaughter in an attempt to drive out its Jewish population. We share the FSJC's stated concern that those who initiated the anti-minaret campaign could try to further erode religious freedom through similar means.

Source: Jerusalem Post:
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Now, that's a very direct comparison of an effect of anti-Semitism and an effect of anti-Islamic bigotry. But perhaps you are implying that the ADL- too - is engaged in "soft-core denialism"? Your abuse of Lipstadt's term - motivated from your own support of minaret bans - is rather painfully clear.

(while for you, this hostility is not even limited to actual xenophobia, but every critique of Islam, such as pointing out the misogynic function of headscarves or the claim to power that materializises in minarets).

And here, once again, you apparently find it necessary to lie, and to claim that I have said something that I have - obviously - never said. You're so cute! I have however said that banning minarets or for that matter headscarves is illiberal.

318 Ojoe  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:15:59am
319 abolitionist  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:22:38am

Europe Slapping Rich With Massive Traffic Fines

Switzerland, other European nations are slapping rich drivers with massive traffic fines
[snip]
Advocates say a $290,000 (euro203,180.83) speeding ticket slapped on a millionaire Ferrari driver in Switzerland was a fair and well-deserved example of the trend.
[snip]
In Germany the maximum fine can be as much as $16 million compared to only $1 million in Switzerland.

I suppose requiring the offender to watch James Dean's traffic saftey public service message would be construed as cruel and unusual punishment.
/

320 gegenkritik  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 12:19:12pm

re: #317 oslogin

I have said - repeatedly - that one could easily draw comparisons between some kinds of anti-Islamic bigotry in modern-day Europe and anti-Semitism in the form that existed in for instance 1814 or 1914 in Norway.


...which is exactly the belittlement of Anti-Semitism that I critizise. You do not only trivialize Anti-Semitism to some form of xenophobia, which it is not, but you claim that there exists a form of "anti-Islamic-bigotry" - as in your world, human beings are nothing, collectives are everything and Islam as an ideology should not be critizised. This is especially disgusting when it comes in the form of "basic human rights", since people like you couldn't care less for real sufferings of human individuals (most of the are people who were so unlucky to be born into Islamic socialization) under Islamic rules. The cold-blooded ignorance for real suffering is attended with the immunization of Islam against every critique.

It is senseless to talk about the ADL with you: people like you will always cite their Jews on Demand to get a kosher-certificate of their resentments. I wouldn't be surprised if you come up with Norman Finkelstein or Hedy Epstein the next time you speak out against Israel.

321 Øyvind Strømmen  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 1:50:05pm

re: #320 gegenkritik

It is senseless to talk about the ADL with you: people like you will always cite their Jews on Demand to get a kosher-certificate of their resentments. I wouldn't be surprised if you come up with Norman Finkelstein or Hedy Epstein the next time you speak out against Israel.

Finkelstein? Seriously? That's your reply? You're not seriously comparing ADL and Finkelstein, are you?

But of course you don't want to discuss the fact that ADL - a leading organisation in the battle against anti-Semitism - draws a historical comparison between the result of anti-Semitism and the result of anti-Islamic bigotry.

322 gegenkritik  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 2:32:20pm

re: #321 oslogin

Finkelstein? Seriously? That's your reply? You're not seriously comparing ADL and Finkelstein, are you?

They both serve for people with certain resentments: Finkelstein grants the kosher-certificate for Israel-haters and you are misusing the ADL to trivialize Anti-Semitism.

ADL - a leading organisation in the battle against anti-Semitism

Even though I appreciate the fact that the ADL is pointing out certain anti-semitic incidents, one has to keep in mind that they are often wrong and fail to critizise Anti-semitism, blatantly here: "We share the FSJC's stated concern that those who initiated the anti-minaret campaign could try to further erode religious freedom through similar means."
Anti-semitism has nothing to do with religion or religious freedom, but of course this sentence is excellent for people like you, who want to immunize Islam against every critique and therefor cite the Jews on Deman to "prove" that banning of minarets is an act of Anti-Semitism.


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