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1 Racer X  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:03:48pm

Ahh, lifeguard stand #3. Good times there, good times.

2 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:12:02pm

re: #1 Racer X

Ahh, lifeguard stand #3. Good times there, good times.

David Hasselhoff thought so too.

3 Velvet Elvis  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:15:30pm

Sing With Heino!

4 freetoken  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:15:33pm

Once upon a time there were these things
we call "beaches;
And upon those beaches there lovely things
that fry themselves in the sun.
One day everyone got smart and decided to take up hockey.

5 Alexzander  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:20:59pm

[Link: dailycaller.com...] finally launched.

First impressions? It is pretty clearly tryng to imitate the HuffPost presentation of content, which does come across as little needing in authenticity. Its also not clear what kind of 'conservative' demographic the're after. Otherwise a 'wait and see' situation I guess.

6 Bagua  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:27:14pm

Life Shack?

or...

Love Shack


-B52s
7 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:27:44pm

Think I'm turning into a cat, slept for twenty hours...
/that or I'm sick. Hmm. Good...morning? everyone! :)

8 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:33:26pm

re: #7 Varek Raith

You're turning into a Cat.

9 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:34:23pm

re: #8 Slumbering Behemoth

You're turning into a Cat.

Lol, Red Dwarf. You win! :)

10 Bagua  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:34:31pm

Unlikely a cat, the symptoms sound more like Vampirism.

Looked in a mirror lately?

11 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:35:42pm

re: #10 Bagua

Unlikely a cat, the symptoms sound more like Vampirism.

Looked in a mirror lately?

Heh, my mom says I'm a vampire, since I'm very photo sensitive. Damn sun. :)

12 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:36:07pm

Well, its time for me to get to bed. Sorry to miss talking to you, Bagua and Varek, but I'm too weary to continue.

Goodnight all!

13 Bagua  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:36:45pm

re: #11 Varek Raith

Heh, my mom says I'm a vampire, since I'm very photo sensitive. Damn sun. :)

My psychic powers are cunningly accurate.

14 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:38:03pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Yeah. Guess I'm just chopped fookin' liver, then. Whatever!
/

15 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:38:05pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Well, its time for me to get to bed. Sorry to miss talking to you, Bagua and Varek, but I'm too weary to continue.

Goodnight all!

Night, DF, beware of vampires!

16 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:38:53pm

re: #13 Bagua

My psychic powers are cunningly accurate.

Quick, what am I thinking right now?

17 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:39:28pm

re: #16 Slumbering Behemoth

Quick, what am I thinking right now?

Naughty things. Don't need a psychic for that!
/:P

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:40:24pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Well, its time for me to get to bed. Sorry to miss talking to you, Bagua and Varek, but I'm too weary to continue.

Goodnight all!

Get some rest.

19 Bagua  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:40:38pm

re: #16 Slumbering Behemoth

Quick, what am I thinking right now?

Judging from your comment history, either food or sex, or nothing at all.

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:41:01pm

re: #16 Slumbering Behemoth

Quick, what am I thinking right now?

You're thinking I'm the Archbishop of Canterbury!

Wait, no?

Wrong story. Sorry.

21 Bagua  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:43:35pm

re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist

Knowing others is wisdom, knowing the self is enlightenment. -Lao Tze

22 Gus  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:44:15pm

Good. Night.

23 freetoken  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:44:21pm

re: #5 Alexzander

[Link: dailycaller.com...] finally launched.

First impressions? It is pretty clearly tryng to imitate the HuffPost presentation of content, ...

Given that it "features" Brietbart is about all I need to know...

With the fake boobs prominently displayed on the front, and the "content" from the likes of Brietbart, Pawlenty, etc., and with the overwrought headlines, crowded columns etc... it looks like one of Murdoch's creations (Fox, The Sun, etc.) minus Murdoch himself.

24 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:45:01pm

re: #19 Bagua

Judging from your comment history, either food or sex, or nothing at all.

Ha! You left out beer, LOLCats, tobacco, and zombies. Jokes on you though, as I was thinking about what your possible answer to my question might be.

You suck as a psychic.

25 Bagua  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:45:47pm

re: #23 freetoken

With the fake boobs prominently displayed on the front,

Boobs? Where?

26 freetoken  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:46:32pm

re: #25 Bagua

Boobs? Where?

Heh... go to the link and see...

27 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:47:29pm

re: #25 Bagua

Boobs? Where?

Supposed to be a story about the 3rd gate crasher at the WH, but all I see prominently featured are....

28 Bagua  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:48:53pm

re: #24 Slumbering Behemoth

You suck as a psychic.



The men who try to do something and fail are infinitely better than those who try nothing and succeed.

- Lloyd Jones

29 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:49:51pm

re: #23 freetoken

Just what do you have against fake boobs?

30 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:49:56pm

re: #28 Bagua

The men who try to do something and fail are infinitely better than those who try nothing and succeed.

- Lloyd Jones

I don't know, Marge, trying is the first step towards failure.
-Homer Simspon

/:P

31 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:52:15pm

re: #28 Bagua

But you didn't even try, you just made a random guess. An educated one, I will grant, but a guess none the less.

Quick, I am thinking about an item in my front, left pocket. What is it?

32 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:53:01pm

re: #23 freetoken

Given that it "features" Brietbart is about all I need to know...

With the fake boobs prominently displayed on the front, and the "content" from the likes of Brietbart, Pawlenty, etc., and with the overwrought headlines, crowded columns etc... it looks like one of Murdoch's creations (Fox, The Sun, etc.) minus Murdoch himself.

Ha! I have some minor dirt from somewhere on the daily teabagger caller. If people are interested.

33 freetoken  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:53:42pm

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth

Just what do you have against fake boobs?

They're just too... too... plastic or something.

34 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:53:52pm

re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth

Quick, I am thinking about an item in my front, left pocket. What is it?

Is it The One Ring?

35 freetoken  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:54:01pm

I don't do fake flowers, either.

36 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:54:29pm

re: #6 Bagua

Life Shack?

or...

Love Shack

[Video]
-B52s

But where is the Bagua third person post about the bird? That's why I like the overnights, dammit!
/apart from SB, boob jokes, etc

37 Bagua  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:54:37pm

re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth

Quick, I am thinking about an item in my front, left pocket. What is it?

Well, we know it's not money.

38 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:55:12pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Is it The One Ring?

If it is, he sure ain't taking advantage of its power!

39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:57:02pm

re: #33 freetoken

Plastic indeed. Did you click on the link?

/Hint: not a titty pic

40 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:57:43pm

re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth

Plastic indeed. Did you click on the link?

/Hint: not a titty pic

It sure is scary, though!

41 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:58:50pm

re: #34 Sharmuta

Who be that in your avatar space?

42 Sharmuta  Sun, Jan 10, 2010 11:59:34pm

re: #41 Slumbering Behemoth

A distant relation of mine.

43 Bagua  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:02:22am

O sweeter than the marriage-feast,
'Tis sweeter far to me,
To walk together to the kirk
With a goodly company !--

To walk together to the kirk,
And all together pray,
While each to his great Father bends,
Old men, and babes, and loving friends
And youths and maidens gay !

44 Bagua  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:06:02am

Farewell, farewell ! but this I tell
To thee, thou Wedding-Guest !
He prayeth well, who loveth well
Both man and bird and beast.

He prayeth best, who loveth best
All things both great and small ;
For the dear God who loveth us,
He made and loveth all.

The Mariner, whose eye is bright,
Whose beard with age is hoar,
Is gone : and now the Wedding-Guest
Turned from the bridegroom's door.

He went like one that hath been stunned,
And is of sense forlorn :
A sadder and a wiser man,
He rose the morrow morn.

45 freetoken  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:06:43am

re: #39 Slumbering Behemoth

Plastic indeed. Did you click on the link?

Briefly skimmed part of it...

46 Bagua  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:07:35am

re: #45 freetoken

Briefly skimmed part of it...

Tell the truth! You've been gone half an hour.

47 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:08:11am

So... it turns out I have a rare Hummel print from the 1930s and all anyone ever wants of the good Sister's works is the figurines based off her drawings.

48 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:09:15am

*bonk*

Logging off. G'nite scaly ones. Sack time.

49 Bagua  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:10:53am

Slumber well male moth.

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:15:53am

re: #47 Sharmuta

So... it turns out I have a rare Hummel print from the 1930s and all anyone ever wants of the good Sister's works is the figurines based off her drawings.

Sharm, is your avatar OK? You're no longer blue?

51 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:16:13am

Sesame Street Mad Men parody:

52 freetoken  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:18:14am

re: #46 Bagua

Tell the truth! You've been gone half an hour.

I've been going through the examples at CSS Zen Garden, trying to enlighten myself.

53 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:18:46am

re: #50 SanFranciscoZionist

Sharm, is your avatar OK? You're no longer blue?

My avatar is beautiful and I love her dearly. Thank you.

54 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:20:07am

re: #53 Sharmuta

My avatar is beautiful and I love her dearly. Thank you.

She's lovely. Is she Catholic, btw?

55 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:27:08am

Brrrrrr....cold! Damn paper guy, per usual, throws the paper willy-nilly out his window, to land in an undisclosed location in my front yard.

56 freetoken  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:27:16am

The ironic thing about CSS Zen Garden is how un-Zen-like most of the submissions truly are.

BTW, I prefer their plain-jane standard CSS layout. It seems not only more Zen-ish to me, but it is one of the few that is actually easy to read.

Which brings me to one of my hang-ups about what we refer to as the "World Wide Web" - the utter sameness of it all. The problem stems from the fact that most people use the same screen all the time, so window is fit into the same size.

That, and the proclivity for web site designs to be so dominated by the rectangle.

57 freetoken  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:29:39am

Beside the folk who (wrongly) believe that Japanese = Zen... there are several examples on the CZG website, there are those designers who are simply trying too hard.

Indeed, most of them are trying too hard.

58 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:31:02am

re: #54 iceweasel

She's lovely.

Thank you.

59 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:32:52am

re: #58 Sharmuta

Thank you.

You're welcome.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:33:06am

re: #53 Sharmuta

My avatar is beautiful and I love her dearly. Thank you.

Yes, I can see her now. Very beautiful. Who is she?

61 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:33:56am

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, I can see her now. Very beautiful. Who is she?

Bernadette Soubirous.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:34:45am

re: #61 Sharmuta

Bernadette Soubirous.

Of Lourdes? Lovely. As is the Beyonce piece.

63 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:36:08am

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

Indeed, and thank you so much.

Peace be with you, Lizards. Good night.

64 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:36:29am

re: #63 Sharmuta

Indeed, and thank you so much.

Peace be with you, Lizards. Good night.

Night! :)

65 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:39:29am

re: #63 Sharmuta

Indeed, and thank you so much.

Peace be with you, Lizards. Good night.

Such a shame you're leaving so soon.

You might want to rethink quoting the genocidal and murderous William of Orange, given your avatar. He did try his best to murder Catholics. And especially Irish ones. And Scots.

Have a lovely night.

66 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:43:43am

To combat the cold, and aid my anemic furnace, I'm gonna start a huge bonfire downstairs.
/What could possibly go wrong?
//:)

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:45:28am

re: #66 Varek Raith

To combat the cold, and aid my anemic furnace, I'm gonna start a huge bonfire downstairs.
/What could possibly go wrong?
//:)

Just chop a hole in the roof and you'll be fine.

68 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:45:58am

re: #65 iceweasel

I was thinking of putting in a quote from Bernadette, actually:

"Oh my mother, in your heart I placed all my anguish of my heart and it is there that I gain strength and courage."

Thank you so much for prompting me to change that. Peace be with you.

69 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:46:19am

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

Just chop a hole in the roof and you'll be fine.

Aha! That's what I was forgetting!
*Goes to get an axe*
/

70 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:48:01am

re: #68 Sharmuta

I was thinking of putting in a quote from Bernadette, actually:

"Oh my mother, in your heart I placed all my anguish of my heart and it is there that I gain strength and courage."

Thank you so much for prompting me to change that. Peace be with you.

I think that would be much better, and more fitting.
Good night.

71 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:48:58am

re: #70 iceweasel

I'm so very happy it's met with your approval. I shall sleep ever so soundly.

72 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:50:48am

*Hmm, Varek contemplates a way to diffuse the situation before it gets outta hand.*

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:52:18am

re: #72 Varek Raith

*Hmm, Varek contemplates a way to diffuse the situation before it gets outta hand.*

You've got that ax, right?

74 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:52:56am

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

You've got that ax, right?

And SFZ comes to the rescue! :)

75 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:53:47am

re: #71 Sharmuta

I'm so very happy it's met with your approval. I shall sleep ever so soundly.

I'm sure you will sleep soundly. Good night, again.

76 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:55:22am

re: #72 Varek Raith

*Hmm, Varek contemplates a way to diffuse the situation before it gets outta hand.*

No worries, it won't. I do have some worries about your bonfire, though...

77 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:56:56am
No worries, it won't. I do have some worries about your bonfire, though...

...hmmm, so would the local fire department... I agree, bonfire in house = bad idea. :)

78 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:58:47am

Damn! Even my coffee can't seem to stay warm... :(

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:13:02am

Night all.

80 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:15:45am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Night all.

Night, SFZ!

81 Graphictruth  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:16:13am

Trying to drum up some interest in this story....

It's mostly a linkfest, everything I could pull together regarding a story about an autistic 5th grader who's being badly mistreated by his Fort Smith school.

Cat in A Dog's World does the best job of nutshelling it:

A Sad Story, and a Call to Action

If you listen to anything autism- or disability- related today, listen to this interview with Carole Reynolds, whose 11-year old autistic grandson Zakhquerey Price is facing felony charges for allegedly injuring two staff members at Beard Elementary (Fort Smith, AK) while said staff members were trying to restrain him.

Zakh's story is really heartbreaking, and demonstrates so many problems with public education, the system of mental institutionalization, and criminal justice system.

Zakh has already faced years of forced institutionalization, including during a period in which he and his family mourn the loss of his sister. Now, he faces criminal charges without adequate legal representation. His family cannot afford a private lawyer, and the public defender assigned to his case does not know much about autism. With the current situation, there is a strong chance that Zakh will be institutionalized against the will of his familyagain. Zakh has already faced years of institutionalization due to a school system which wants to not educate him. He has also been institutionalized during a period in which he and his family are mourning for his younger sister, who died during his period of incarceration in mental institutions.

What can we do to help?

You can donate to Zakh's family so that they might obtain adequate legal representation.

82 ryannon  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:20:15am

A beautiful late-night Lizard lullaby. Sleep, little ones....

83 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:53:09am

I'll just leave this here:

Blago weighs in:

[Link: www.chron.com...]

"I'm blacker than Barack Obama. I shined shoes. "
84 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:56:29am

Algerian security forces killed 10 Islamist rebels in an ambush, state radio reported on Sunday, while in a separate development a Canadian firm said an Algerian employed kidnapped by insurgents had been freed.

The security forces, acting on a tip, mounted the ambush on Saturday in the region of M'sila, 400 km (250 miles) east of Algiers, the radio report said. It said a "large quantity" of weapons had been seized during the operation.

Insurgents operating under the name al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb carry out sporadic bombings and kidnappings in Algeria, though the level of violence has subsided dramatically in the past few years.

SNIP

85 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:59:41am

European countries are increasingly pegging speeding fines to income as a way to punish wealthy scofflaws who would otherwise ignore tickets.

Advocates say a $290,000 (euro203,180.83) speeding ticket slapped on a millionaire Ferrari driver in Switzerland was a fair and well-deserved example of the trend.

Germany, France, Austria and the Nordic countries also issue punishments based on a person's wealth. In Germany the maximum fine can be as much as $16 million compared to only $1 million in Switzerland. Only Finland regularly hands out similarly hefty fine to speeding drivers, with the current record believed to be a euro170,000 (then about $190,000) ticket in 2004.

86 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:06:56am

Headline (and photo) is STATION

Womder, with the entire country under such cold temps, if that will become ICE STATION ZEBRA!?!?!

87 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:08:05am

re: #86 sattv4u2

Headline (and photo) is STATION

Womder, with the entire country under such cold temps, if that will become ICE STATION ZEBRA!?!?!

Not only do I WOMDER,, I also WONDER!!!

((where's my coffee!!!))

88 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:08:47am

re: #85 MandyManners

I can only begin to imagine the arguments the Right would bring out against any such initiative in America: from "creeping socialsm" (to each according to his needs, from each according to his income) to discouraging people to become rich in order to avoid high traffic fines.

Face it, one of the motivations of becoming rich in this country is so that you can oafford to scoff at the law...

89 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:12:21am

re: #88 ralphieboy

Face it, one of the motivations of becoming rich in this country is so that you can oafford to scoff at the law

There are an entire myriad of factors that drive me to do better, make more, become "rich", and thats never been on the list
I also know people who would be described as 'rich" and they nevber once told me they were motivated to it so they could drive faster with the knowledge that they would be treated the same as a "poor" speeder

90 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:12:45am

re: #88 ralphieboy

I can only begin to imagine the arguments the Right would bring out against any such initiative in America: from "creeping socialsm" (to each according to his needs, from each according to his income) to discouraging people to become rich in order to avoid high traffic fines.

Face it, one of the motivations of becoming rich in this country is so that you can oafford to scoff at the law...

Bullshit. Your hatred of those who work hard and rise just screams in that last sentence.

91 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:15:23am

Months after Iranian opposition leaders denounced acts of torture and rape at the infamous Kahrizak detention center, the country's parliament has released a report detailing incidents of mistreatment and suspicious deaths. Notorious former Tehran prosecutor general Saeed al-Mortazevi was blamed by the report.

An Iranian parliamentary committee investigating cases of torture and rape at the government's Kahrizak detention center in the weeks following a disputed June 12 presidential election has taken the unusual step of condemning government officials for what took place.

The committee report blames former Tehran prosecutor and government stalwart Saeed Mortazavi for ordering opposition protesters to be sent to the over-crowded Kahrizak facility.

The report says three detainees died as a result of violence and mediocre conditions at the prison, but it denies anyone was raped.

Several former detainees, one of whom later fled to Europe, recounted incidents of torture, brutality and rape in the weeks after they were released.

Iranian film-maker Reza Allamehzadeh, who lives in exile in Holland, interviewed detainee Ibrahim Sharify who explained how he was raped and tortured at Kahrizak. He said that Ibrahim Sharify, who says in the interview he was raped, is living proof rape and torture exist in the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Journalist Babrak Daad also detailed various incidents of torture and rape of young detainees at Kahrizak to the VOA's Persian Service. He said a number of young people were raped at the Kahrizak detention center, detailing their brutal treatment at the hands of their jailors.


SNIP

92 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:18:37am

re: #91 MandyManners

Months after Iranian opposition leaders denounced acts of torture and rape at the infamous Kahrizak detention center, the country's parliament has released a report detailing incidents of mistreatment and suspicious deaths. Notorious former Tehran prosecutor general Saeed al-Mortazevi was blamed by the report.

The government can cast blame wherever it so desires but, the fact remains that ShortShit is in control.

The Paris-based organization Reporters Without Borders says Iran has earned the dubious distinction of being the number-one assailant of press freedoms in the world, after several sentences were handed down. The rights group says Tehran has at least 42 journalists behind bars.

Paris-based press-watchdog Reporters Without Borders blasted Iran as the "biggest prison in the world for journalists." Following recent arrests, dozens of Iranian journalists are now being detained without trial, in addition to others already serving stiff sentences.

Monday, 36 hardline members of Iran's parliament aligned with President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad and sponsored a bill to have all imprisoned opposition activists who oppose the government declared "enemies of God."

"Enemies of God," or mohareb, are to be executed within five days of their arrest, with a maximum five-day period to appeal the sentence, instead of the usual 25.

SNIP

93 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:33:24am

Let the howls begin.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu approved plans on Sunday to erect a barrier along part of Israel's border with Egypt and install advanced surveillance equipment to keep out illegal migrants and militants.

"I took the decision to close Israel's southern border to infiltrators and terrorists. This is a strategic decision to secure Israel's Jewish and democratic character," Netanyahu said in a statement.

SNIP

94 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:39:26am

re: #93 MandyManners

Let the howls begin.

And the heads explode

The mini ice age starts here

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

95 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:51:16am

Ten months into President Barack Obama's first economic stimulus plan, a surge in spending on roads and bridges has had no effect on local unemployment and only barely helped the beleaguered construction industry, an Associated Press analysis has found.

Spend a lot or spend nothing at all, it didn't matter, the AP analysis showed: Local unemployment rates rose and fell regardless of how much stimulus money Washington poured out for transportation, raising questions about Obama's argument that more road money would address an "urgent need to accelerate job growth."

Obama wants a second stimulus bill from Congress that relies in part on more road and bridge spending, projects the president said are "at the heart of our effort to accelerate job growth."

Construction spending would be a key part of the Jobs for Main Street Act, a $75 billion second stimulus to revive the nation's lethargic unemployment rate and improve the dismal job market for construction workers. The House approved the bill 217-212 last month after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., worked the floor for an hour; the Senate is expected to consider it later in January.

AP's analysis, which was reviewed by independent economists at five universities, showed that strategy hasn't affected unemployment rates so far. And there's concern it won't work the second time. For its analysis, the AP examined the effects of road and bridge spending in communities on local unemployment; it did not try to measure results of the broader aid that also was in the first stimulus like tax cuts, unemployment benefits or money for states.

SNIP

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:53:26am

re: #88 ralphieboy

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Guess Marx had it right, huh Ralphie?

97 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:55:24am

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Guess Marx had it right, huh Ralphie?

Not even in bed.

98 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:58:42am

A Defense Department review of the shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, has found the doctors overseeing Maj. Nidal Hasan's medical training repeatedly voiced concerns over his strident views on Islam and his inappropriate behavior, yet continued to give him positive performance evaluations that kept him moving through the ranks.

The picture emerging from the review ordered by Defense Secretary Robert Gates is one of supervisors who failed to heed their own warnings about an officer ill-suited to be an Army psychiatrist, according to information examined by investigators conducting the study.

Hasan, 39, is accused of murdering 13 people on Nov. 5 at Fort Hood, the worst killing spree on a U.S. military base.

What remains unclear is why Hasan would be advanced in spite of all the worries over his competence. That is likely to be the subject of a more detailed accounting by the department. Recent statistics show the Army rarely blocks junior officers from promotion, especially in the medical corps.

SNIP

In telling episodes from the latter stages of lengthy Hasan's medical education in the Washington, D.C., area, he gave a class presentation questioning whether the U.S.-led war on terror was actually a war on Islam. And students said he suggested that Shariah (shah-REE'-yuh), or Islamic law, trumped the Constitution and he attempted to justify suicide bombings, according to the information reviewed by The Associated Press.

Yet no one in Hasan's chain of command appears to have challenged his eligibility to hold a secret security clearance even though they could have because the statements raised doubt about his loyalty to the United States. Had they, Hasan's fitness to serve as an Army officer may have been called into question long before he reported to Fort Hood.

Instead, in July 2009, Hasan arrived in central Texas, his secret clearance intact, his reputation as a weak performer well known, and Army authorities believing that posting him at such a large facility would mask his shortcomings.

SNIP

99 laZardo  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:01:10am

And now for some Disney.

Remixed on YouTube.

100 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:02:31am

McCain's aide that's blowing the whistle on Palin needs to figure out what "non-plussed" means. It does not mean "calm".

101 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:03:01am

re: #100 MandyManners

McCain's aide that's who's blowing the whistle on Palin needs to figure out what "non-plussed" means. It does not mean "calm".

*sigh*

102 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:06:11am

re: #100 MandyManners

McCain's aide that's blowing the whistle on Palin needs to figure out what "non-plussed" means. It does not mean "calm".

Steve Schmidt.

103 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:07:15am

re: #88 ralphieboy

You can't possibly be saying that access to the best applications of the law to fit your personal circumstance isn't equal across all income bands?........


/ commie

104 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:15:21am

re: #102 MandyManners

Steve Schmidt.

Q: Who is one guy looking for a paying gig who should not be able to find one, Alex?

Good answer!

(Game show imitation over)

105 SteveC  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:18:07am

re: #100 MandyManners

McCain's aide that's blowing the whistle on Palin needs to figure out what "non-plussed" means. It does not mean "calm".

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary defines it as "to cause to be at a loss as to what to say, think, or do." SteveC adds that it is usually accompanied by the classic OH SHIT! expression.

106 sandbox  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:23:51am

re: #98 MandyManners

The whole Hassan case is a good example of why "naming the enemy" in this war is important. IMO his fellow psychiatrists understood that Hassan was a radical islamists, but were not sure if that constituted grounds for dismissal. Maybe in their minds it was just another political opinion--that is allowable in our public discussion. In other words, an awful, but allowed, opinion.

So stating that we are at war with radical Islam will add clarity to the war effort and will save lives.

107 SteveC  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:38:59am

Oh no!

(Washington, D.C.) Capitol Hill Police responding to a complaint of ‘a strong, foul odor’ have discovered the slain body of U.S. Economy in the subbasement of a Government building near the Capitol complex.

///

108 TampaKnight  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:40:31am

re: #95 MandyManners

Ten months into President Barack Obama's first economic stimulus plan, a surge in spending on roads and bridges has had no effect on local unemployment and only barely helped the beleaguered construction industry, an Associated Press analysis has found.


SNIP

We could (should) have ignored the call to spend trillions of dollars and instead tightened our fiscal belt and adopt policies that strengthen the dollar.

We'd have basically the same, or lower, unemployment rate and would be left with a much better position going forward.

109 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:46:48am

Morning folks

110 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:47:30am

Morning Lizards. Got a heat wave going on here in the wild north country as the new week opens at 15 degrees F. What'd I miss over the weekend?

111 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:49:28am

re: #108 TampaKnight

We could (should) have ignored the call to spend trillions of dollars and instead tightened our fiscal belt and adopt policies that strengthen the dollar.

We'd have basically the same, or lower, unemployment rate and would be left with a much better position going forward.

Maybe, but then we would have let a good crisis go to waste//

112 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:54:01am

Update on the Pennsylvania judges who were accepting kickbacks to put Juvi's in detention centers:

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]


But we recently got wind of an allegation tucked into a civil complaint concerning Ciavarella that’s really not for the faint of heart.

According to this story, from the Wilkes-Barre Citizens Voice, Ciavarella sentenced one former juvenile defendant to six months at a detention facility based solely on the number of birds perched on the ledge outside his courtroom. The allegation was made by attorneys for the plaintiff, now 21, who filed a lawsuit last week.

The suit has accused Ciavarella, the juvenile court judge from 1999 to May 2008, of inexplicably ordering Raul Clark to look at the ledge outside the courtroom during sentencing. Clark, according to the suit, was told to tell Ciavarella the number of birds he saw, the attorneys said.

Clark, 14 at the time of the November 2002 hearing, counted six; Ciavarella sentenced him to six months of detention - one for each bird, according to the lawsuit. Clark had appeared in Ciavarella’s courtroom on two misdemeanor charges: violating a town curfew and possession of a small drug pipe.

“Ciavarella’s cavalier conduct demonstrates that what took place before him was nothing more than theater for (his) amusement,” Clark’s attorneys wrote in the filing (link not available).

113 SteveC  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:02:20am

Pali be lyin'! (AGAIN!)

H1N1 Vaccine arrives in Gaza

Gaza – Ma’an – The de facto Ministry of Health confirmed on Sunday that 15,000 swine flu vaccines arrived in Gaza, which were provided by Saudi Arabia and transferred into the Strip in coordination with the World Health Organization.

Gaza Health Minister Bassem Na'im thanked and praised Saudi Arabia for its efforts and noted that H1N1 vaccines are scarce.

But....

Canada loans 5 MILLION H1N1 doses to Mexico

Canadian Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq on Wednesday announced plans for the country to loan Mexico five million doses of the H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine, Agence France-Presse reports. The loan will help Mexico meet its innoculation demand, while the country waits for H1N1 vaccine orders to be fulfilled by several manufacturers. "Mexico is expected to replenish the borrowed Canadian stock by the end of March, Aglukkaq said," according to the news service (1/6).

European countries have too many doses of H1N1

France has said it aims to cancel 50 million of the 94 million doses ordered from Sanofi-Aventis, Glaxo, Novartis and Baxter, while Germany wants to cancel half the 50 million doses ordered from Glaxo.

114 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:08:56am

Good Morning Lizards.

115 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:14:48am

g'mornin', all! Hope your weekend was good! Anything interesting this a.m.?

116 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:15:34am

(looks like things are moving slow - needing more coffee? I sure as heck do . . . )

117 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:16:58am

re: #116 SasyMomaCat

(looks like things are moving slow - needing more coffee? I sure as heck do . . . )

Caffeine would be great right about now. Only problem is, I left my change at home because I overslept and was slightly late for work. So I'm just going to have to soldier through today on lizard power.

118 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:18:21am

So how badly are the colts going to crush baltimore this coming weekend? Karma played a roll in Dallas crushing Philly so I'm rooting for Karma to come out on top again. baltimore needs to be punished for stealing the browns//

119 TampaKnight  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:18:46am

re: #117 thedopefishlives

Caffeine would be great right about now. Only problem is, I left my change at home because I overslept and was slightly late for work. So I'm just going to have to soldier through today on lizard power.

I have again began my day by talking with a government employee that couldn't reason his way out of a paper bag. I'm convinced that certain program offices will indeed hire anyone....no resume required.

I'll take coffee, but with a shot of Jack.

120 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:20:19am

re: #117 thedopefishlives

ack! no coffee pots in the office? Maybe someone will have mercy. Even if you are like hubby and take your caffeine in the carbonated form, a little coffee would at least keep you from getting a headache. My sympathies for your (thus far) caffeine-free Monday.

121 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:21:57am

re: #120 SasyMomaCat

ack! no coffee pots in the office? Maybe someone will have mercy. Even if you are like hubby and take your caffeine in the carbonated form, a little coffee would at least keep you from getting a headache. My sympathies for your (thus far) caffeine-free Monday.

I don't really do coffee. Can't stand the taste or smell of the stuff. The worst part of that is, the Mrs. Fish loves coffee, so I have to deal with it on a fairly regular basis.

122 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:23:00am

re: #5 Alexzander

[Link:

123 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:23:21am

re: #121 thedopefishlives

have you tried it from a French press? That's a totally different coffee experience. Of course, I'll even drink the stuff from the gas stations, so it's not like I'm picky. But, if I have my druthers, French press the best coffee you'll get anywhere.

124 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:24:07am

re: #121 thedopefishlives

I don't really do coffee. Can't stand the taste or smell of the stuff. The worst part of that is, the Mrs. Fish loves coffee, so I have to deal with it on a fairly regular basis.

What, are you some kind of foreigner? Only commies don't like coffee.

125 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:24:29am

re: #124 RogueOne

What, are you some kind of foreigner? Only commies don't like coffee.

In Soviet Russia, coffee drinks you.

126 SteveC  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:25:02am

re: #118 RogueOne

So how badly are the colts going to crush baltimore this coming weekend?

Even years later, that sentence looks so wrong...

Johnny U!

127 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:26:18am

re: #123 SasyMomaCat

have you tried it from a French press? That's a totally different coffee experience. Of course, I'll even drink the stuff from the gas stations, so it's not like I'm picky. But, if I have my druthers, French press the best coffee you'll get anywhere.

I keep trying to acquire a taste for it, but even the coffee-that's-not-really-coffee from Starbucks type places makes me queasy. I guess it's a function of having grown up in a coffee-free household; none of my family ever drank it on a regular basis.

128 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:26:25am

re: #125 thedopefishlives

In Soviet Russia, coffee drinks you.

Maybe you're just not brewing it right:

BoingBoing: How to brew a good cup of coffee
[Link: www.boingboing.net...]

129 SteveC  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:28:49am

re: #124 RogueOne

What, are you some kind of foreigner? Only commies don't like coffee.

Your heart goes "lub-dub, lub-dub".

Mine goes "lub-dub, BANG! Pow! Shhhhh....! Lub-dub".

My heart on coffee? You don't wanna know!

130 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:30:17am

Good Morning! Woke up to news of DUI arrest in my neighborhood. No big deal. Except he had a pipe bomb or a stick of dynamite in his car.

So we got the media choppers overhead, the bomb squad closing the boulevard I use to go to work. They say the bomb squad just detonated it under bomb blankets.

131 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:30:51am

re: #128 RogueOne
It's all very technical.

"The width of the spout times the width of the kettle mouth divided by the distance from the tip of the spout to the kettle (in millimeters) equals the number of seconds you should dose your water. For each second use a half scoop of coffee."

132 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:30:52am

re: #106 sandbox

The whole Hassan case is a good example of why "naming the enemy" in this war is important. IMO his fellow psychiatrists understood that Hassan was a radical islamists, but were not sure if that constituted grounds for dismissal. Maybe in their minds it was just another political opinion--that is allowable in our public discussion. In other words, an awful, but allowed, opinion.

So stating that we are at war with radical Islam will add clarity to the war effort and will save lives.


That's assuming they would recognize 'radical Islam'. It appears as if PC stopped them from even thinking past the guy's 'religious' views and his right to hold those 'religous views'..

133 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:31:17am

re: #127 thedopefishlives

Well, it is an acquired taste. And, not liking the smell hurts your chances, too. Even as a little girl, I always loved it when I was in the kitchen if Mom opened a new can of grounds. I insisted she let me take a big whiff before she scooped it out to make a pot.

134 generalsparky  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:31:57am

re: #124 RogueOne

What, are you some kind of foreigner? Only commies don't like coffee.

LOL!

I can't live without my Community coffee made in our french press.

135 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:32:07am

re: #130 Rightwingconspirator

Wow, now, that's an exciting way to start the work week!

136 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:32:36am

re: #130 Rightwingconspirator

Good Morning! Woke up to news of DUI arrest in my neighborhood. No big deal. Except he had a pipe bomb or a stick of dynamite in his car.

So we got the media choppers overhead, the bomb squad closing the boulevard I use to go to work. They say the bomb squad just detonated it under bomb blankets.

"Honestly, officer, I can't even remember getting into the car, let alone putting a bomb in it."

137 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:32:43am

re: #129 SteveC

I drink coffee from 5am until around 8pm everyday. I love my caffeine.

138 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:33:58am

re: #137 RogueOne

I drink coffee from 5am until around 8pm everyday. I love my caffeine.

Like I say, my wife's a coffee addict. We do a lot of business at the local Caribou Coffee shop about 5 minutes away from my house. Me, I prefer my caffeine in a carbonated format.

139 SteveC  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:34:00am

re: #131 RogueOne

It's all very technical.

"The width of the spout times the width of the kettle mouth divided by the distance from the tip of the spout to the kettle (in millimeters) equals the number of seconds you should dose your water. For each second use a half scoop of coffee."

Day-um! You making coffee or fueling a nuclear reactor?!?!

140 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:34:12am

re: #137 RogueOne

It's also a good focusing agent for us folks with ADHD, ironically . . .

141 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:34:33am

Good morning everyone :)

142 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:34:35am

re: #138 thedopefishlives

a mixed marriage ;-)

143 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:35:05am

re: #141 Blueheron

Good morning!

144 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:35:08am

re: #139 SteveC

Day-um! You making coffee or fueling a nuclear reactor?!?!

Well, if you want to be technical, coffee does serve a similar purpose.

145 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:35:33am

re: #134 generalsparky

LOL!

I can't live without my Community coffee made in our french press.

I was just about to say something about Community!

I send 2 lbs of dark roast to my brother in Wash state every month.

146 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:35:37am

re: #127 thedopefishlives

I keep trying to acquire a taste for it, but even the coffee-that's-not-really-coffee from Starbucks type places makes me queasy. I guess it's a function of having grown up in a coffee-free household; none of my family ever drank it on a regular basis.

Pour a shot of whiskey in it!

147 SteveC  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:36:09am

re: #137 RogueOne

I drink coffee from 5am until around 8pm everyday. I love my caffeine.

Sodas with No Caf here. Abby down at the lab can have all the Caf-Pow in the state.

/NCIS

148 TampaKnight  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:36:28am

I honestly don't care much about the taste of coffee, just what it does to me. Caffeine rocks.

149 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:36:42am

re: #136 thedopefishlives

Maybe it was a Jihadi out doing his laundry? Turns out it was a home made firework, or so they say on Eyewitless news.

150 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:36:57am

re: #142 SasyMomaCat

a mixed marriage ;-)

We make it work. I take her to the coffee shop, and then she goes with me to the supermarket's "sugar overload" aisle.

re: #146 MandyManners

Pour a shot of whiskey in it!

I'm sure my boss would love to deal with me when I'm lightly toasted. ;)

151 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:37:35am

United Arab Emirates sheikh was acquitted Sunday of charges connected to the videotaped beating and torture of an Afghan grain dealer.

Sheikh Issa bin Zayed al-Nahyan, a member of the emirates' ruling family, was charged with rape, endangering life and causing bodily harm in connection with the nearly three-hour long tape shot in 2004 in the desert outside Abu Dhabi, one of the United Arab Emirates in the Persian Gulf region.

However, the court acquitted Issa on Sunday, ruling he had diminished responsibility for his actions because of the effects of medication his defense attorney claimed he was given. Issa had a "lack of criminal responsibility," the court found, defense attorney Habib al-Mulla told CNN.

SNIP

152 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:37:40am
153 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:38:04am

re: #150 thedopefishlives

It's all about balance, man - sounds like you and Mrs. Fish have it worked out.

154 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:38:17am

re: #149 Rightwingconspirator

Maybe it was a Jihadi out doing his laundry? Turns out it was a home made firework, or so they say on Eyewitless news.

We've heard that story before, I think.

155 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:38:53am

re: #137 RogueOne

I drink coffee from 5am until around 8pm everyday. I love my caffeine.

One cup a day is my limit. Heart does mysterious gymnastics otherwise.
I used to drink two pots a day. Maybe that has something to do with it? ///

156 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:39:44am

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

It's terrible that this ended up costing the lives of several of our brave protectors. I'm sure no one thought about THOSE consequences when they were avoiding the consequences of standing up for the right thing.

What's right isn't always easy and what's easy isn't always right.

157 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:39:53am

re: #155 Blueheron

One cup a day is my limit. Heart does mysterious gymnastics otherwise.
I used to drink two pots a day. Maybe that has something to do with it? ///

I used to drink 1-2 cans of Mountain Dew a day back before I went to college. When I left home that fall, I actually wound up quitting the Dew habit cold-turkey - a bit of a reversal from most people. But that whole first week, I had the most KILLER caffeine-withdrawal headache.

158 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:41:13am

re: #157 thedopefishlives

ouch-ouch-ouch!

Just thinking about that withdrawal makes me want another cup of coffee - just for precautionary measures, of course!

159 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:41:44am

re: #154 reine.de.tout

We've heard that story before, I think.

Someone on another site posted this story this morning:

[Link: www.wired.com...]

Most Dangerous Office Object: Paintball Land Mines

The consensus was it looks hilarious but also an easy way to end up with a terrorism charge.

160 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:42:00am

re: #157 thedopefishlives

I used to drink 1-2 cans of Mountain Dew a day back before I went to college. When I left home that fall, I actually wound up quitting the Dew habit cold-turkey - a bit of a reversal from most people. But that whole first week, I had the most KILLER caffeine-withdrawal headache.


Yes I still do so I drink tea instead.

161 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:42:07am

A rights group has demanded Iran release 33 mothers detained during a weekly vigil for their children killed or missing in the country's postelection violence.

The U.S.-based International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran said nine of the jailed women received emergency medical treatment after they were rounded up by security forces Saturday in a Tehran park where they hold their demonstrations.

A statement issued late Sunday by the group said the women suffered from "various illnesses," but gave no further details. Iranian authorities have not commented on the reported detentions.

The women are part of a "mourning mothers" gathering held by women whose children have been killed or unaccounted for in unrest since the disputed presidential election in June.

SNIP

162 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:42:21am

re: #154 reine.de.tout

Well nobody hurt and the all clear is just a few minutes away. Whew.

163 ryannon  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:42:23am

re: #82 ryannon

I wished everyone a good-night.

It's time to wish the morning crew a good morning!

164 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:44:02am

re: #162 Rightwingconspirator

Well nobody hurt and the all clear is just a few minutes away. Whew.


You live in an intewresting neighborhood.

165 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:45:05am

re: #159 RogueOne

The consensus was it looks hilarious but also an easy way to end up with a terrorism charge.

USB Missile Launcher.

For when you have to declare war on the neighboring cubicle.
:)

166 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:45:08am

Good morning Lizards!

Another cool (below freezing) and clear day here in lovely Central City Philadelphia. The Eagles fans are in quiet mourning here in the office.

167 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:45:40am

re: #151 MandyManners

How convenient that he was given 'medication'.

168 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:45:51am

re: #159 RogueOne

The consensus was it looks hilarious but also an easy way to end up with a terrorism charge.

Also an easy way to ruin somebody's clothes.
Article suggested wite-out - that's permanent, never comes out of fabric.

Not. A. Good. Idea.

169 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:46:55am

Turkey Sandwich for Israel

Turkey's prime minister accused Israel on Monday of threatening peace in the region and using disproportionate force against Palestinians.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan urged Israel to stop violating Lebanon's airspace and territorial waters. He also called on the UN Security Council to put same pressure on Israel regarding nuclear arms as it does on Iran.

"We can never remain silent in the face of Israel's attitude. ... It has disproportionate power and it is using that at will while refusing to abide by UN resolutions. We can never accept this picture," Erdogan said. "These steps threaten global peace."

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Erdogan the Islamofascist sympathizer drools hatred from both sides of his foul mouth.

170 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:47:14am

re: #165 Varek Raith

USB Missile Launcher.

For when you have to declare war on the neighboring cubicle.
:)

I MUST HAVE ONE. That's amazing.

171 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:47:47am

re: #161 MandyManners

illnesses by pinky toe! I hope the sacrifices so many are making bring about the much needed change they are seeking in Iran. They will have to continue to stay the course and it will likely get much worse before it gets better. I only wish that there were more we could do without hamstringing the effort for being seen as interfering.

172 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:48:15am

re: #169 Spare O'Lake

using disproportionate force against Palestinians

I wonder if he would be happy if young Israeli men walked into Pali cafes and pizza parlors and blew them up?

173 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:48:26am

re: #167 Obdicut

How convenient that he was given 'medication'.

Notice that the medication is not named.

174 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:49:45am

re: #173 MandyManners

And that the reporter lets his skepticism show through with the word 'claimed'. But that's the UAE for you, our partners in peace.

175 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:51:02am

re: #171 SasyMomaCat

illnesses by pinky toe! I hope the sacrifices so many are making bring about the much needed change they are seeking in Iran. They will have to continue to stay the course and it will likely get much worse before it gets better. I only wish that there were more we could do without hamstringing the effort for being seen as interfering.

ShortShit is pissing of journalists by the dozens.

176 SteveC  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:51:10am

re: #167 Obdicut

How convenient that he was given 'medication'.

re: #173 MandyManners

Notice that the medication is not named.

"Squad 51, this is Rampart. Administer one dose of lead, .45 caliber, and transport as soon as possible!"

"Rampart we read. Administering as instructed and will transport as soon as possible."

177 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:51:29am

re: #172 sattv4u2

it is so infuriating to read something like this. If Israel's response is disproportionate, it is in the opposite direction indicated by those making the statements. They err on the side of restraint many, many times, despite the fact that their foes value ideology above even their own lives.

178 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:52:33am

re: #175 MandyManners

here's hoping he keeps angering folks - the passion gives fuel and keeps the resistance alive, imo.

give him enough rope and all that . . .

179 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:53:33am

re: #177 SasyMomaCat

No country has ever won a struggle, no man has ever won a fight without, no team has ever won a game without disproportionate force

180 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:53:34am

re: #178 SasyMomaCat

here's hoping he keeps angering folks - the passion gives fuel and keeps the resistance alive, imo.

give him enough rope and all that . . .

Give him enough rope and he'll hang you.

181 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:54:29am

re: #165 Varek Raith

I like that! I have a collection of RC military vehicles. One is a toy tank with a missile launcher attachment I bought specifically to torment my dogs. They love it.

182 blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:55:14am

Courtesy of NOAA....

The average temperature in December 2009 was 30.2 F. This was -3.2 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 14th coolest December in 115 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade.

2.88 inches of precipitation fell in December. This was 0.65 inches more than the 1901-2000 average, the 11th wettest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.02 inches per decade.

[Link: lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov...]

183 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:57:17am

re: #182 blueheron

This may interest you

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

184 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:57:37am

re: #179 sattv4u2

Agreed. I would say what I think needs to be done, but parts of it would be advocating violence and that's a no-no. Of course, the regional repercussions would be bad . . . I know it's a delicate balancing act, but I believe that the attitudes of the UN and many of Israel's "neighbors" has put them in a no win situation.

185 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:59:18am

re: #182 blueheron

Courtesy of NOAA...

The average temperature in December 2009 was 30.2 F. This was -3.2 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 14th coolest December in 115 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade.

2.88 inches of precipitation fell in December. This was 0.65 inches more than the 1901-2000 average, the 11th wettest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.02 inches per decade.

[Link: lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov...]

I'd like to hear what folks think of this article previously linked in this thread.

The mini ice age starts here

186 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:59:38am

re: #165 Varek Raith

Interesting item, but expensive in terms of overkill.

Came across a book in B&N the other day that was all small launchers built with common office supplies.

Mini Weapons of Mass Destruction

187 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:00:16am

re: #186 oaktree

how funny!

188 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:01:31am

re: #179 sattv4u2

No country has ever won a struggle, no man has ever won a fight without, no team has ever won a game without disproportionate force

Very true.
And the fact that he seems willing to use the fact that Israel has nukes to pull the rug out from under international efforts to restrain Iran's nuke program is extremely problematic.

189 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:01:32am

Hey, does anyone here do OAMC? I'm pondering implementing that approach, but wondered if anyone has any experience with it . . .

190 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:01:41am

An update to the personal issue some of you helped me with yesterday. I had a nice chat with my sis-in-law about her fear of the dark and managed to make my points without her running away crying. Having all the lights on, the t.v. on, sleeping with a 70lb dobermann and still being afraid is unreasonable. I offered to get her some counseling to deal with her fear issues and she took me up on the offer. Turns out she's just now coming to terms with her mortality. I guess she's just figuring out people die.

191 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:04:39am

re: #185 rwdflynavy

I'd like to hear what folks think of this article previously linked in this thread.

The mini ice age starts here

Damn, just when I went and bought a Hudson Bay beach timeshare.

192 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:06:54am

re: #191 Spare O'Lake

You can take up any of a number of sports/activities. Ice fishing, ice sailing, ice hockey, etc.

193 ryannon  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:07:20am

re: #185 rwdflynavy

I'd like to hear what folks think of this article previously linked in this thread.

The mini ice age starts here

Here's my take:

194 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:07:36am

Is anyone having trouble with LGF this morning? It is loading very slowly and right now I can not see anyones avatars.

195 ryannon  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:10:04am

re: #194 Blueheron

Is anyone having trouble with LGF this morning? It is loading very slowly and right now I can not see anyones avatars.

Actually, yes.

My screen seems to be frosting over and the keys are frozen to the keyboard.

I wonder what's going on...?

196 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:10:59am

re: #191 Spare O'Lake

Damn, just when I went and bought a Hudson Bay beach timeshare.

The problem I have with that article is that it makes a number of strawman claims. I don't think, for example, that any serious climatologist is saying that global warming is solely due to man-caused factors. That being said, I'd be interested to see what the other side has to say about some of the supposed facts presented in the article, like the increasing summer sea ice. It seems like some contradictory evidence is being presented on both sides of the argument.

197 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:11:15am

re: #193 ryannon

Here's my take:

[Video]

Can't see youtube at work, can you enlighten me?

198 ryannon  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:13:42am

re: #197 rwdflynavy

Can't see youtube at work, can you enlighten me?

It's the Beatles singing "You Say Yes, I Say No", etc.

For some reason, it's a Beatles morning for me.... :-)

199 ryannon  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:15:52am

re: #196 thedopefishlives

The problem I have with that article is that it makes a number of strawman claims. I don't think, for example, that any serious climatologist is saying that global warming is solely due to man-caused factors. That being said, I'd be interested to see what the other side has to say about some of the supposed facts presented in the article, like the increasing summer sea ice. It seems like some contradictory evidence is being presented on both sides of the argument.

If I'm not mistaken, summer sea ice is just that: too thin to make it through the winter. It apparently breaks up rather than adding to the existing ice caps.

200 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:16:19am

re: #185 rwdflynavy

Let's have this discussion in the next 2 or 3 or 4 years. Right now I'm still remembering the hurricanes, heat and drought of 2 or 3 or 4 years ago.

201 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:16:54am

re: #198 ryannon

It's the Beatles singing "You Say Yes, I Say No", etc.

For some reason, it's a Beatles morning for me... :-)


Thanks! I can't keep it all straight. I am sure we are having an impact on climate, but I don't know enough about the folks in this article. They sound like they have the street creds...

202 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:17:57am

re: #196 thedopefishlives

From the article

Among the most prominent of the scientists is Professor Mojib Latif, a leading member of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC),
Prof Latif, who leads a research team at the renowned Leibniz Institute at Germany’s Kiel University, has developed new methods for measuring ocean temperatures 3,000ft beneath the surface, where the cooling and warming cycles start. He and his colleagues predicted the new cooling trend in a paper published in 2008 and warned of it again at an IPCC conference in Geneva last September

203 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:18:10am

re: #183 sattv4u2

This may interest you

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Yes I saw that article. Don't know what to say because one winter does not a trend make but we will see.
My gut also tells me we will be facing a tough hurricane season this year.

204 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:20:04am

re: #202 sattv4u2

An argument from authority isn't exactly an argument. I would love to see the oceanic data he's come up with, and his methodology. Above all, I'd like to see if this "cooling trend" continues, bearing out his prediction.

205 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:21:51am

re: #185 rwdflynavy

I'd have to do a much deeper amount of research before I can make a fully reasonable response. My initial three opinions are:

1. An article like this pops up every initial winter cold snap ever since AGW got going in the media.

2. I'd need to know more about Prof. Latif, the depth of his research, and how his theories and data are viewed by the meteorological community. Is he part of a small contrarian group who thinks the current models have inaccuracies, or is he at this point essentially viewed as a "crank" with some serious flaws in the model and data he proposes?

3. It also seems that the article goes with Latif's claim that his model covers 50% of the warm/cold trends. How does said model account for increased atmospheric CO2, and run-on effects from that in the future? (I.E. could Latif actually think that CO2 is a threat, but that the incorrect IPCC model is giving up less time that we actually have before climate changes screw-over human civilization.

I note that the few comments I saw with that article were typical foaming at the mouth denier remarks.

206 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:21:58am

re: #195 ryannon

Actually, yes.

My screen seems to be frosting over and the keys are frozen to the keyboard.

I wonder what's going on...?


Happy to see I am not the only one having trouble. I will say I will click post on this answer to you and then wait patiently while it grinds away doing nothing :(

207 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:22:17am

re: #204 thedopefishlives

An argument from authority isn't exactly an argument. I would love to see the oceanic data he's come up with, and his methodology. Above all, I'd like to see if this "cooling trend" continues, bearing out his prediction.

This comes from the same "authority" (UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)) that uses the same "methodology" as they used for their warming models, I would have to conclude

208 TampaKnight  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:22:20am

Tucker Carlson's "Daily Caller" website opened today- basically his answer to the HuffPo. I just checked it out and it's basically what I expected- fairly partisan input from the usual conservative suspects.

Although maybe the site has promise since I've tended to like Carlson and he runs from partisan pandering usually.

210 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:23:35am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, where the nanny staters are busy once again trying to limit your food choices. This time, they're pushing to limit salt content in food. Let's just ignore that table salt is fortified with iodine to prevent thyroid deficiencies and since many people don't eat food with sufficient iodine content, it prevents other illnesses. Salt is also what makes food taste good, helps bread rise, acts as a preservative and is critical to brining poultry and koshering meat. It would also put bagels and lox on the chopping block since it's needed in curing fish.

The same went for the warnings to stay out of the sun - because it causes skin cancer. The same folks forgot that sun exposure is critical to Vitamin D formation and is the only reliable source of Vitamin D, which is critical to preventing all manner of illnessses.

Bloomberg and Paterson are also now looking to hike the cigarette taxes again, to raise money for health care programs, but the revenues will fall short as the hikes deter people from smoking and it's reached a tipping point where the smokers can't provide the tax revenues needed for those programs (and states, including NY) have already tapped out the tobacco settlement funds.

211 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:23:43am

re: #205 oaktree

I'd have to do a much deeper amount of research before I can make a fully reasonable response. My initial three opinions are:

1. An article like this pops up every initial winter cold snap ever since AGW got going in the media.

2. I'd need to know more about Prof. Latif, the depth of his research, and how his theories and data are viewed by the meteorological community. Is he part of a small contrarian group who thinks the current models have inaccuracies, or is he at this point essentially viewed as a "crank" with some serious flaws in the model and data he proposes?

3. It also seems that the article goes with Latif's claim that his model covers 50% of the warm/cold trends. How does said model account for increased atmospheric CO2, and run-on effects from that in the future? (I.E. could Latif actually think that CO2 is a threat, but that the incorrect IPCC model is giving up less time that we actually have before climate changes screw-over human civilization.

I note that the few comments I saw with that article were typical foaming at the mouth denier remarks.

Concur, and the Mail is a very conservative paper well-known for alarmist headlines...

212 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:24:23am

re: #209 Lidane

It's too damned early on a Monday for this level of idiocy:

"I'm blacker than Barack Obama. I shined shoes. I grew up in a five-room apartment. My father had a little laundromat in a black community not far from where we lived," Blagojevich said. "I saw it all growing up."

Bleah.


Translation

"HEY ,,, LOOK AT ME ,,,, REMEMBER ME!??!?! ,, I USED TO BE IN THE NEWS ALL THE TIME ,,,, DON'T FORGET ME!!!"

213 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:24:57am
214 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:25:00am

re: #210 lawhawk

Didn't they already try the salt content thing and fail miserably?

215 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:26:07am
216 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:27:15am

re: #213 Soap_Man

I was just about to post that. It looks like he as already apologized.

I think he should have to apologize in front of Rev Wright's congregation.
//

217 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:27:30am

re: #214 thedopefishlives

They've pushed transfat reduction/elimination (even though at one time they proffered transfats as a health alternative to other fats). The salt thing is new.

Somehow, I don't think Bloomberg is concerned about salt content when he orders his steaks and chops at the fine steakhouses around the City, where salt is used to help tenderize the meats...

218 TampaKnight  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:27:32am

re: #210 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, where the nanny staters are busy once again trying to limit your food choices. This time, they're pushing to limit salt content in food. Let's just ignore that table salt is fortified with iodine to prevent thyroid deficiencies and since many people don't eat food with sufficient iodine content, it prevents other illnesses. Salt is also what makes food taste good, helps bread rise, acts as a preservative and is critical to brining poultry and koshering meat. It would also put bagels and lox on the chopping block since it's needed in curing fish.

The same went for the warnings to stay out of the sun - because it causes skin cancer. The same folks forgot that sun exposure is critical to Vitamin D formation and is the only reliable source of Vitamin D, which is critical to preventing all manner of illnessses.

Bloomberg and Paterson are also now looking to hike the cigarette taxes again, to raise money for health care programs, but the revenues will fall short as the hikes deter people from smoking and it's reached a tipping point where the smokers can't provide the tax revenues needed for those programs (and states, including NY) have already tapped out the tobacco settlement funds.

I despise this. But, if the ultimate goal is to tax me to pay for everyone's health care, then I think I'd support crap like this. If we are to become an entitlement nation, I at least want assurances of accountability from the people that I'll be subsidizing.

If we're going to pay for people's health care, then the government will have to "regulate" health to ensure tax payer money is used most efficiently.

Do you see where this is going?.....Ugh.

219 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:28:20am

re: #217 lawhawk

They've pushed transfat reduction/elimination (even though at one time they proffered transfats as a health alternative to other fats). The salt thing is new.

Somehow, I don't think Bloomberg is concerned about salt content when he orders his steaks and chops at the fine steakhouses around the City, where salt is used to help tenderize the meats...

See, I thought salt was the big thing a few years ago, before the big trans-fat scare. I could be wrong, though.

221 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:28:39am

re: #210 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, where the nanny staters are busy once again trying to limit your food choices. This time, they're pushing to limit salt content in food. Let's just ignore that table salt is fortified with iodine to prevent thyroid deficiencies and since many people don't eat food with sufficient iodine content, it prevents other illnesses. Salt is also what makes food taste good, helps bread rise, acts as a preservative and is critical to brining poultry and koshering meat. It would also put bagels and lox on the chopping block since it's needed in curing fish.

The same went for the warnings to stay out of the sun - because it causes skin cancer. The same folks forgot that sun exposure is critical to Vitamin D formation and is the only reliable source of Vitamin D, which is critical to preventing all manner of illnessses.

Bloomberg and Paterson are also now looking to hike the cigarette taxes again, to raise money for health care programs, but the revenues will fall short as the hikes deter people from smoking and it's reached a tipping point where the smokers can't provide the tax revenues needed for those programs (and states, including NY) have already tapped out the tobacco settlement funds.


We need to sue "Big Salt" for all they are worth to fund nutrition education and to pay for patches and such for those trying to kick the salt habit.
//

222 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:29:07am

re: #211 rwdflynavy

From the wikipedia page on Prof Latif. (Yes, it's a snip.)

"In 2008 Latif was joint author of a modelling study in Nature whose results suggested global surface temperature may not increase over the next decade, as natural climate variations in the North Atlantic and tropical Pacific temporarily offset the projected anthropogenic warming."

I note that term "temporarily" used. That implies to me that Latif thinks that the CO2 issue is real, but that the immediate effects might not be as dire as projected. In that case, the article to a degree is a sort of quote mine since it's not going to help us deal with the CO2 issue and will just be another arrow in the denier quiver.

223 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:29:13am

Things starting to hop in the office - hope to be back later. If not, I'll "see" you guys in the morning. Have a great one and stay scaly!

224 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:29:58am

re: #209 Lidane

Blago's looking mighty bitter; he got whacked when trying to sell Obama's senate seat to the highest bidder (Chicago politics as usual).

He's starving for attention, and decided to go the bitter and stupid route.

Typical.

225 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:31:42am

re: #224 lawhawk

hence #212!

226 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:34:40am

here's Killgores/Avanti's (and others) recovery....the foreclosures are pouring in now and BO gave himself a B+....where is the Stimulus?

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

227 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:36:02am

re: #220 Varek Raith

...lolwut. Blago...just go away.

This is not surprising. As a resident of Illinois, he has been saying this type of shit for years. The funny thing is that many people thought that right after he was arrested, he went on a PR swing specifically targeted at black residents to have sympathetic people on the jury. Many speculate that is why he picked Burris for the senate seat.

Well, he threw that down the toilet.

228 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:37:57am

Coldest winter ever in Florida. Had to buy socks with out holes yesterday. For the first time in over half a century, I saw it snow out my back door.

AGW, ROFLMAO.

229 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:38:36am

re: #228 filetandrelease

Weather does not equal climate.

230 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:39:11am

A large part of the administration’s $786 billion dollar stimulus bill was devoted to green or renewable energy projects, but the rate of unemployment continues to rise, the cost of gasoline and heating oil continues to rise in the face of the coldest winter on record in decades, and real jobs in energy industries are thwarted by Obama administration restrictions on the exploration and development of our national energy reserves.

it's a lot worse than this....read on
[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]

231 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:40:52am

re: #229 Varek Raith

Weather does not equal climate.

I love that phrase!

232 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:41:21am

re: #231 sattv4u2

I love that phrase!

It's true, you know?

233 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:42:24am

re: #229 Varek Raith

I'll get back to you on that in a couple of years.

234 generalsparky  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:43:48am

re: #145 reine.de.tout

I was just about to say something about Community!

I send 2 lbs of dark roast to my brother in Wash state every month.

We discovered Community coffee when we were stationed in Alabama. We could still get it when we moved to Florida with no problem. Of course they don't sell it up here (IL) and we even made a request with the commissary to carry it. For whatever reason the commissary couldn't get it so we order it directly from Community. We have 30# in our deep freeze right now LOL

235 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:44:46am

re: #233 filetandrelease

I'll get back to you on that in a couple of years.

Heh, no, you won't.

236 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:44:52am

re: #210 lawhawk

Isn't this part of the whole "nutritionism" cycle where the science and food industries run from "bad nutrient" to "bad nutrient" (salt, trans-fats, etc. etc.) as the different studies come in.

I didn't really come across all that until I read Pollan's _In Defense of Food_ and in the end it didn't affect my eating that much since to a large degree I was already ignoring most of the marketing spiels and trying to eat a balanced veggie heavy diet as it was. It did spark me wanting to do more of my own cooking though. (Exception being that I gave up ramen noodle cups years ago after seeing the sodium hit they had.)

237 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:45:25am

re: #226 albusteve

Well, the billions spent on road construction in the stimulus package haven't created any jobs. They were never going to create jobs in any appreciable number to offset the millions of jobs lost elsewhere in the economy. Unemployment rates were unaffected by the increased spending on road construction work. So, while the road work was necessary to improve infrastructure, it didn't fulfill the Administration's goals of reducing unemployment.

Meanwhile, the NYT is pushing Colorado as some kind of example for health care claiming that they crave health care reform. Of particular note is the claim that 1/6 of Colorado residents don't have insurance, despite the state being a model for all kind of health care programs to cut costs.

Curious. Very curious. The national average for those lacking health insurance is 15%. Indeed, Gallup polls routinely find anywhere from 10-15% of respondents self identifying as not having insurance. That means that Colorado is below the national average (1/6 is 16.6%). Why is Colorado below the national average?

238 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:46:32am

It's so friggen cold, I think I'll bake something. I'll start with apple gingerbread, then maybe baguettes if I'm still in the mood.

239 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:47:12am

re: #238 Alouette

It's so friggen cold, I think I'll bake something. I'll start with apple gingerbread, then maybe baguettes if I'm still in the mood.

So...can you, I don't know, share?
/Please? :)

240 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:47:36am

re: #236 oaktree

I have been eating better since being married to the mrs. She makes sure I get more veggies and we've moved away from red meat. Lots of chicken and turkey, with red meat once a week. We do a lot more fish and even vegetarian meals now, but I know I still crave a good steak now and then... It's all about moderation and portion control. Always was; always will be.

241 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:48:10am

Spend a lot or spend nothing at all, it didn't matter, the AP analysis showed: Local unemployment rates rose and fell regardless of how much stimulus money Washington poured out for transportation, raising questions about Obama's argument that more road money would address an "urgent need to accelerate job growth."

the Stimulus is not working....we need an explanation from BO and his donks...what a fucking ripoff, now they hide

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

242 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:50:52am

re: #241 albusteve

Spend a lot or spend nothing at all, it didn't matter, the AP analysis showed: Local unemployment rates rose and fell regardless of how much stimulus money Washington poured out for transportation, raising questions about Obama's argument that more road money would address an "urgent need to accelerate job growth."

the Stimulus is not working...we need an explanation from BO and his donks...what a fucking ripoff, now they hide

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

There are two major roads on my way to and from work that have needed repairs for years. They were both completely fixed with the stimulus money. Personally, I was pleased by that.

But I still agree with you. I would have rather those roads stayed the same than to have spent all the money on that clusterfuck of a bill.

243 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:51:45am

re: #237 lawhawk

Well, the billions spent on road construction in the stimulus package haven't created any jobs. They were never going to create jobs in any appreciable number to offset the millions of jobs lost elsewhere in the economy. Unemployment rates were unaffected by the increased spending on road construction work. So, while the road work was necessary to improve infrastructure, it didn't fulfill the Administration's goals of reducing unemployment.

Meanwhile, the NYT is pushing Colorado as some kind of example for health care claiming that they crave health care reform. Of particular note is the claim that 1/6 of Colorado residents don't have insurance, despite the state being a model for all kind of health care programs to cut costs.

Curious. Very curious. The national average for those lacking health insurance is 15%. Indeed, Gallup polls routinely find anywhere from 10-15% of respondents self identifying as not having insurance. That means that Colorado is below the national average (1/6 is 16.6%). Why is Colorado below the national average?

Colorado has the youngest and healthiest population in the nation. There maybe your answer.

244 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:52:26am

Hmm, the hamsters seem a bit slow this morning.

245 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:53:52am

re: #244 Varek Raith

Hmm, the hamsters seem a bit slow this morning.

Noi s**t.

246 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:53:57am

re: #240 lawhawk

Pollan's pet phase in the most recent book was "only eat food that your grandmother would recognize as food". I thought that was an interesting way to get one to dodge a lot of heavily processed foodstuffs. Which are generally the items that I see with tons of excess salt or corn syrup.

I made a batch of "pecan sandies" based on a cookbook recipe. Got about 50 small cookies, and since I knew the ingredients that went in I had a decent idea what the calorie count, sugar, salt, etc. was. Looked at a package of the Keebler equivalents when in the grocery store the next day. I think I'll stick to my own, or use a local bakery from now on.

247 Lidane  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:53:59am

re: #244 Varek Raith

Hmm, the hamsters seem a bit slow this morning.

Even hamsters are not immune to Mondays. :)

248 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:54:27am

re: #238 Alouette

It's so friggen cold, I think I'll bake something. I'll start with apple gingerbread, then maybe baguettes if I'm still in the mood.

Can I put my toes in the oven for a few minutes!?!!?

249 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:55:18am

re: #245 Blueheron

Noi s**t.

This misspelled mess took at least 45 secs to appear. :(

250 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:55:57am

re: #245 Blueheron

re: #247 Lidane

At least I know it's not on my end. ;)

251 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:56:02am

re: #244 Varek Raith

Hmm, the hamsters seem a bit slow this morning.


I don't seem to be having any problems.

252 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:56:33am

re: #251 reine.de.tout

I don't seem to be having any problems.

Me neither

253 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:57:06am

re: #243 Blueheron

Excellent point, and those folks are going to take a big hit in the form of the IRS penalties if they opt not to take the insurance or higher costs if they decide to pay for the insurance to avoid the penalties. Those are higher costs to those individuals no matter what happens.

254 prairiefire  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:57:14am

re: #190 RogueOne

Good for you! Red or black dobie?

255 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:57:21am

Hmm, might be a regional slow down...or somethings up on my end.

256 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:57:21am

re: #251 reine.de.tout

re: #252 sattv4u2

Me neither

Well ,, that is ,,, besides my usual ones!!!

257 TampaKnight  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:58:03am

I take uninsured figures with a grain of salt after living with my ex-roomate. He is 25, has $90,000 of debt, bought a $28,000 car brand new with nothing down, just went on a cruise, rents a 1700 sq foot townhouse, went into grad school using nothing but loans, and eats out daily.

And yet he is one of the many clamoring for government health insurance.

I told him that if he didn't have $320 monthly car payments, that alone would let him buy isurance easilly. He didn't like that.

258 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:58:16am

When a nation's debt exceeds 60 percent of its GDP, its growth rate slows precipitously, the study found. When that ratio exceeds 90 percent, nations' economies barely grow, and can even contract.
The U.S. national debt is at roughly 84 percent of the country's GDP, and it's projected to cross the authors' 90-percent threshold late this year or early next year.

[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]

get ready for permanent 8% unemployment....BO and the dems are either incredibly stupid and arrogant or this situation is intentional...I believe it's intentional

259 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:59:11am

re: #258 albusteve

When a nation's debt exceeds 60 percent of its GDP, its growth rate slows precipitously, the study found. When that ratio exceeds 90 percent, nations' economies barely grow, and can even contract.
The U.S. national debt is at roughly 84 percent of the country's GDP, and it's projected to cross the authors' 90-percent threshold late this year or early next year.

[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]

get ready for permanent 8% unemployment...BO and the dems are either incredibly stupid and arrogant or this situation is intentional...I believe it's intentional

Oh, please. It's stupidity.

260 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:59:52am

It isn't me. I have cleaned my cache, said OK to ALL cookies LGF wants to plaster all over my drive, have rebooted and on top of all that I have sweared !
Swearing usually does it but not this time. :((
///

261 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:01:01am

re: #259 Varek Raith

Oh, please. It's stupidity.

that would be hard to justify imo...nobody is that stupid

262 prairiefire  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:01:29am

re: #247 Lidane

Your new avatar is very cool.

263 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:01:43am

It is so cold this morning my computer froze twice. Damn climate, errr, weather.

264 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:01:55am

re: #261 albusteve

that would be hard to justify imo...nobody is that stupid

The 'intentional' part in your argument is even harder to justify.

265 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:02:04am

re: #259 Varek Raith

The article?

266 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:02:39am

re: #265 Rightwingconspirator

The article?

No, the idea that the dems are intentionally destroying the economy.

267 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:02:50am

re: #70 iceweasel

I think that would be much better, and more fitting.
Good night.

After much contemplation, weasel, I decided to give this comment a ding down, because it is not your place to tell me or anyone else what is or is not "fitting" for their profile quotes since this isn't your blog.

I'd also ask you to stop posting comments to me with your false concern and/or respect for me, since you have neither for me, and we both know this, or at least I have known this since learning you asked my friends to let me starve when I needed help.

268 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:03:18am

Good Morning and Happy Monday! I'm a NOOB, my Hubby Bubby Rightwingconspiritor finally hooked me into joining. I'll probably just watch and learn for a while, I hope everyone has a great day.

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:03:48am

re: #268 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning and Happy Monday! I'm a NOOB, my Hubby Bubby Rightwingconspiritor finally hooked me into joining. I'll probably just watch and learn for a while, I hope everyone has a great day.

Hello! Welcome.

270 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:03:48am

re: #268 Dragon_Lady

Welcome to LGF!

271 Lidane  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:03:48am

re: #261 albusteve

that would be hard to justify imo...nobody is that stupid

As George Carlin once put it, think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that half of them are stupider than that.

Heh.

272 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:03:55am

re: #268 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning and Happy Monday! I'm a NOOB, my Hubby Bubby Rightwingconspiritor finally hooked me into joining. I'll probably just watch and learn for a while, I hope everyone has a great day.

Welcome to LGF!

273 prairiefire  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:04:36am

re: #268 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning and Happy Monday! I'm a NOOB, my Hubby Bubby Rightwingconspiritor finally hooked me into joining. I'll probably just watch and learn for a while, I hope everyone has a great day.

Hello and welcome. He told us you were joining. Hope you enjoy yourself!

274 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:05:16am

re: #268 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning and Happy Monday! I'm a NOOB, my Hubby Bubby Rightwingconspiritor finally hooked me into joining. I'll probably just watch and learn for a while, I hope everyone has a great day.

Welcome aboard. Mind your head, and help yourself to the gamey buttocks off the troll barbecue.

275 Lidane  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:05:24am

re: #262 prairiefire

Your new avatar is very cool.

Thanks. I have a soft spot for that character, so using her as an avatar seemed fitting. Something about a woman who tries to whip all the stupid out of people felt right to me. ;)

276 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:05:44am

Good morning, Lizards
You may have noticed, my voice is still hoarse. This virus is a stinker.

277 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:06:11am

re: #268 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning and Happy Monday! I'm a NOOB, my Hubby Bubby Rightwingconspiritor finally hooked me into joining. I'll probably just watch and learn for a while, I hope everyone has a great day.

Welcome!
Some of us knew you would be registering, and have been waiting for your arrival!
Hope you enjoy it here.

278 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:06:17am

re: #275 Lidane

Thanks. I have a soft spot for that character, so using her as an avatar seemed fitting. Something about a woman who tries to whip all the stupid out of people felt right to me. ;)

Who is it?

279 Lidane  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:07:48am

re: #278 Varek Raith

Who is it?

Franziska von Karma. She's a character in the Ace Attorney series of video games.

Yes, I'm a nerd. :)

280 prairiefire  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:08:11am

I can't keep up with all the characters. My daughter goes through about 30 Manga books a week. Thanks goodness for the public library.
Computer.....is.......too.....slow......this.....morning......

281 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:08:11am

re: #210 lawhawk

People are going to get smart and start electing fat people.

282 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:10:39am

re: #256 sattv4u2

re: #252 sattv4u2

Well ,, that is ,,, besides my usual ones!!!

LOL.
Satt - when I worked downtown BR, a group of us would go to lunch everyday at the cafeteria in the state Dept of Ed building. On the door of the building was a sign:
If you should have any problems, call Capitol Police.

We always wondered what, exactly, that meant.
Hubby is cheating?
Cat won't use the litter box?
Would they really help with any problems at all?

283 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:10:55am

*****
This am we are getting a double e-lanche from LA times and Daily grail referrals to the Parting ways post, everyone please play nice and watch for trolls at the bottoms of old threads.

284 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:11:14am

re: #264 Varek Raith

The 'intentional' part in your argument is even harder to justify.

that's laughable...by ignoring any tax cuts, relief for small business, fear of HC costs, and slamming the door shut on the energy sector...I'd say it's certainly intentional...it's a historic fact that FDRs programs did not jump start the economy...the Stimulus is not working, and the car bailouts benefited the union itself, not the shareholders or workers...BO knows what he is doing because he is brilliant

285 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:11:44am

re: #258 albusteve

Good article. The Dems need an improved economy to re-elect Pres. Obama and keep the majority. They do not want to wreck the economy they just want to fix it "their way". Big gov, big entitlement spending. But more influenced by corporate interests than ever.

Like as in the past the recovery will be despite rather than because of DC. DC can ease the pain, but not really fix the problem. Like the flu.

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:11:44am

re: #280 prairiefire

I can't keep up with all the characters. My daughter goes through about 30 Manga books a week. Thanks goodness for the public library.
Computer...is...too...slow...this...morning...

They have a reading library at San Francisco's Japantown. They let you in for a certain amount of money for a half hour, and you can sit there and read all the manga. Very handy for kids who can't afford to collect the stuff!

Of course, on any given day at Borders, you'll find the same kids seated in the aisles in the manga section, doing the same thing, but it's not as profitable to the store.

287 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:11:57am

re: #277 reine.de.tout

My Hubby has told me a bit about you, thanks for the warm welcome. It's appreciated.

288 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:12:49am

re: #270 Sharmuta

Welcome to LGF!

I like the new avatar!

289 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:13:19am

re: #287 Dragon_Lady

Welcome Dragon Lady - we've heard about you!!

290 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:13:42am

re: #268 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning and Happy Monday! I'm a NOOB, my Hubby Bubby Rightwingconspiritor finally hooked me into joining. I'll probably just watch and learn for a while, I hope everyone has a great day.

WELCOME!

291 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:13:43am

re: #274 thedopefishlives

Welcome aboard. Mind your head, and help yourself to the gamey buttocks off the troll barbecue.

re: #268 Dragon_Lady

I'll translate that one for ya later.


Back to work for me...

292 prairiefire  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:13:45am

I like it too, Sharmuta. Hope you are well.

293 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:14:17am

re: #285 Rightwingconspirator

Like as in the past the recovery will be despite rather than because of DC. DC can ease the pain, but not really fix the problem. Like the flu.

Took the words right out of my mouth. In relation to the economy, I always felt the president was like an NFL quarterback, too much credit when things are going well and too much blame when things are going poorly.

294 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:14:28am

re: #289 Stanley Sea

Uh, oh. Is that good or bad?

295 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:15:07am

re: #293 Soap_Man

Took the words right out of my mouth. In relation to the economy, I always felt the president was like an NFL quarterback, too much credit when things are going well and too much blame when things are going poorly.

I think that's true in more cases than just the economy.

296 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:15:18am

re: #284 albusteve

that's laughable...by ignoring any tax cuts, relief for small business, fear of HC costs, and slamming the door shut on the energy sector...I'd say it's certainly intentional...it's a historic fact that FDRs programs did not jump start the economy...the Stimulus is not working, and the car bailouts benefited the union itself, not the shareholders or workers...BO knows what he is doing because he is brilliant

Ok, sure, believe whatever ya want.
So...Obama's gonna destroy the ecomony...to what end?

297 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:16:20am

re: #290 MandyManners

Hi Mandy,
My Hubby's mentioned you to me and I'm looking forward to getting to know you and the rest of the lizards. Thanks for the welcome!

298 prairiefire  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:16:50am

Have a good day, lizards. Kids are finally back in school and I'm going to get some errands done. Cheers

299 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:16:58am

re: #267 Sharmuta

If Mandy won't marry me, will you!?!?

OR

We could all move to Utah !!!
///

((serioulsy ,,,,, I still lobby for an "ignore" button ,,,, blood pressure, and all!!))

300 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:17:17am

The "True Companion" sex robot, Roxxxy,

. . .a world first, a life-size robotic girlfriend complete with artificial intelligence and flesh-like synthetic skin. . .

Gee - I think I'll pass.

301 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:17:24am

re: #297 Dragon_Lady

Welcome Aboard

302 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:17:28am

re: #296 Varek Raith

Ok, sure, believe whatever ya want.
So...Obama's gonna destroy the ecomony...to what end?

Right. I don't see what his motive would be to intentionally wreck the economy. Why? So he can lose reelection and allow the GOP to take back congress.

The "he's doing it on purpose" idea doesn't pass the smell test.

303 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:18:02am

re: #296 Varek Raith

Ok, sure, believe whatever ya want.
So...Obama's gonna destroy the ecomony...to what end?

more govt intervention, more govt control, more votes, more power....seems obvious to me

304 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:18:12am

re: #260 Blueheron

It isn't me. I have cleaned my cache, said OK to ALL cookies LGF wants to plaster all over my drive, have rebooted and on top of all that I have sweared !
Swearing usually does it but not this time. :((
///


I"m having similar problems. Annoying.

305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:18:34am

re: #270 Sharmuta

Hey! Didn't recognize you there.

You can't escape! [finger]

306 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:19:01am

re: #297 Dragon_Lady

Hi Mandy,
My Hubby's mentioned you to me and I'm looking forward to getting to know you and the rest of the lizards. Thanks for the welcome!

DON'T BELIEVE A WORD HE SAID!

307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:19:24am

re: #275 Lidane

You're a girl woman lady female chick?

308 generalsparky  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:19:33am

re: #268 Dragon_Lady

Welcome!

309 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:19:57am

re: #306 MandyManners

Oh, its all good, not to worry!

310 Lidane  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:20:02am

re: #307 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're a girl woman lady female chick?

Last time I checked, I had girly parts. So yes, I am. :)

311 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:20:26am

re: #294 Dragon_Lady

Uh, oh. Is that good or bad?

Good of course!!

312 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:20:31am

I need to get ready for my first visit up north to meet my new (and only) Grandbaby.
I am so exited! I thought I would never have a little one to tell the family stories too. Isn't that what a Grandma is for?

That and spoiling little ones rotten :))

313 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:20:53am

re: #308 generalsparky

Thank you!

314 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:21:26am

re: #312 Blueheron

I need to get ready for my first visit up north to meet my new (and only) Grandbaby.
I am so exited! I thought I would never have a little one to tell the family stories too. Isn't that what a Grandma is for?

That and spoiling little ones rotten :))

Congrats! :)

315 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:21:32am

re: #270 Sharmuta

Welcome to LGF!

I almost missed you without the Smurfette.

316 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:21:34am

re: #296 Varek Raith

Ok, sure, believe whatever ya want.
So...Obama's gonna destroy the ecomony...to what end?

Not "destroy", but I do beleive he is like many on the left in that they would like a fundamental change away from free market unregulated to highly regulated federal mandates for several reasons
They beleive it's needed to level the playing field, and to ensure that execs are reigned in, and the ever popular elimination of merit increases (for employees) and rather everyone that does job "X" gets the same compensation, regardless of productivity

317 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:21:42am

re: #230 albusteve

A large part of the administration’s $786 billion dollar stimulus bill was devoted to green or renewable energy projects, but the rate of unemployment continues to rise, the cost of gasoline and heating oil continues to rise in the face of the coldest winter on record in decades, and real jobs in energy industries are thwarted by Obama administration restrictions on the exploration and development of our national energy reserves.

it's a lot worse than this...read on
[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]

Thanks for posting that.

318 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:22:10am

re: #316 sattv4u2

Not "destroy", but I do beleive he is like many on the left in that they would like a fundamental change away from free market unregulated to highly regulated federal mandates for several reasons
They beleive it's needed to level the playing field, and to ensure that execs are reigned in, and the ever popular elimination of merit increases (for employees) and rather everyone that does job "X" gets the same compensation, regardless of productivity

See, now that I can agree with. :)

319 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:22:21am

re: #303 albusteve

more govt intervention, more govt control, more votes, more power...seems obvious to me

How would they get more votes/power with a crappy economy? A bad economy is the #1 reason a majority party gets booted. If he intentionally does that, the GOP will win in a landslide and undo everything he did.

Again, it accomplishes nothing. Not short-term or long-term.

320 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:23:32am

Uh, something fishy's goin on, it posted my thanks twice. Hmmmm maybe something to do with the slow down? Ya think?

321 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:23:35am

Balloon boys dad reports to jail:

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]


FORT COLLINS, Colo.—The Colorado man who orchestrated the balloon boy hoax has turned himself in to begin a 90-day jail sentence.

Richard Heene reported to the Larimer County jail in Fort Collins on Monday morning.

He pleaded guilty to attempting to influence a public servant after the Oct. 15 saga that captivated a national television audience. He must serve 30 days in jail before he can participate in a work-release program.

Despite pleading guilty, he has professed his innocence, saying last week that he truly believed his son was inside the balloon and entered the plea only to appease authorities and save his wife from being deported to Japan.

322 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:23:37am

re: #319 Soap_Man

How would they get more votes/power with a crappy economy? A bad economy is the #1 reason a majority party gets booted. If he intentionally does that, the GOP will win in a landslide and undo everything he did.

Again, it accomplishes nothing. Not short-term or long-term.

welfare recipients overwhelmingly vote democrat...go figure

323 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:24:01am

re: #319 Soap_Man

How would they get more votes/power with a crappy economy? A bad economy is the #1 reason a majority party gets booted. If he intentionally does that, the GOP will win in a landslide and undo everything he did.

Again, it accomplishes nothing. Not short-term or long-term.

Wealth envy. If the gov't were to knock down some corporate big wigs, or limit things like pay and bonuses, the "populace" would be thankful to those that punished the "evil rich"

324 Blueheron  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:24:03am

re: #312 Blueheron

I need to get ready for my first visit up north to meet my new (and only) Grandbaby.
I am so exited! I thought I would never have a little one to tell the family stories too. Isn't that what a Grandma is for?

That and spoiling little ones rotten :))

*geez*

325 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:24:26am

re: #314 Varek Raith

Ditto on the congrats, that's really exciting! :)

326 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:24:32am

re: #275 Lidane

Thanks. I have a soft spot for that character, so using her as an avatar seemed fitting. Something about a woman who tries to whip all the stupid out of people felt right to me. ;)

Any woman with a whip feels right to me///

327 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:24:56am

re: #322 albusteve

welfare recipients overwhelmingly vote democrat...go figure

The politician who robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.

328 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:25:49am

re: #326 RogueOne

Whoa, too much info for me! :)

329 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:25:49am
330 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:25:56am

re: #323 sattv4u2

Wealth envy. If the gov't were to knock down some corporate big wigs, or limit things like pay and bonuses, the "populace" would be thankful to those that punished the "evil rich"

In general yes, but not if their own life sucks. In the end, people always vote in the own interests and prosperity. If the economy is still in the tank, the average swing voter won't give a shit about whether or not the Dems "punished" the wealthy.

331 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:25:57am

re: #323 sattv4u2

Wealth envy. If the gov't were to knock down some corporate big wigs, or limit things like pay and bonuses, the "populace" would be thankful to those that punished the "evil rich"

ideology trumps everything with the left...everything, even and especially common sense...they know that and forge ahead anyway...history is chock full of examples

332 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:26:58am

re: #320 Dragon_Lady

Uh, something fishy's goin on, it posted my thanks twice. Hmmm maybe something to do with the slow down? Ya think?

Yep.
Refresh the entire page.
If the comment posted twice with the same comment number, just a glitch, it will disappear.

If the comment posted twice with different comment numbers, you probably hit the 'post this comment" button twice.

It's happened to most of us at one time or another.

333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:27:02am

re: #324 Blueheron

Read a story this morning out of "The Way of the Wolf". The story of Barrington Bunny.

I used to read it to my children and have the book in the unlikely event that I ever have grandchildren.

334 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:27:24am

re: #248 sattv4u2

Can I put my toes in the oven for a few minutes!?!!?

Hey, don't step on my gingerbread!

335 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:27:31am

re: #330 Soap_Man

In general yes, but not if their own life sucks. In the end, people always vote in the own interests and prosperity. If the economy is still in the tank, the average swing voter won't give a shit about whether or not the Dems "punished" the wealthy.

absolutely not true....New Orleans and LA are a perfect example, as are MI and CA voters

336 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:27:48am

re: #320 Dragon_Lady

Uh, something fishy's goin on, it posted my thanks twice. Hmmm maybe something to do with the slow down? Ya think?

Takes more than a minute just to refresh.

337 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:27:58am

The thing is, I don't even really like gingerbread all that much, but it makes the house smell soooo good.

338 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:28:01am

re: #288 reine.de.tout

I like the new avatar!

Thanks! :)

re: #305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm so glad to see you. I wanted to let you know about my pledge to add a meatless day to my week to cut down on my carbon footprint. I decided to make it Fridays, so that when Lent came around, I was already in the habit of eating meatless.

As it turns out, Vatican II doesn't remove the requirement for meatless Fridays, it just made it so that it wasn't a sin, but the Church still asks Catholics to stay meat free on Fridays. So- I wanted you to know that the Catholic Church is very progressive in this matter, and I hope that any other Catholics reading will likewise considering going meatless every Friday for Jesus and Mother Earth. :)

Peace be with you all.

339 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:28:25am

re: #330 Soap_Man

In general yes, but not if their own life sucks. In the end, people always vote in the own interests and prosperity. If the economy is still in the tank, the average swing voter won't give a shit about whether or not the Dems "punished" the wealthy.

Sorry,, but thats 100% incorrect. If the pols were to punish/ limit the rich, the people on the other end of the spectrum would see that as being "just", BECAUSE the economy is in the tank
(why should he get $$$$$ when I can't))

340 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:29:32am

re: #315 thedopefishlives

I almost missed you without the Smurfette.

I never thought I'd remove her, but I found another avatar I wanted more.

341 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:29:40am

re: #332 reine.de.tout

Okey doke, will do. Sorry bout that.

342 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:29:42am

re: #338 Sharmuta

Thanks! :)

re: #305 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm so glad to see you. I wanted to let you know about my pledge to add a meatless day to my week to cut down on my carbon footprint. I decided to make it Fridays, so that when Lent came around, I was already in the habit of eating meatless.

As it turns out, Vatican II doesn't remove the requirement for meatless Fridays, it just made it so that it wasn't a sin, but the Church still asks Catholics to stay meat free on Fridays. So- I wanted you to know that the Catholic Church is very progressive in this matter, and I hope that any other Catholics reading will likewise considering going meatless every Friday for Jesus and Mother Earth. :)

Peace be with you all.

I'm trying to get Zedushka to not eat so much meat. His favorite vegetarian food is falafel.

BTW how is little Stinky Bastard doing?

343 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:30:03am

Speaking of practical jokes gone wrong. When the FBI shows up you know you may have crossed the line from harmless fun to terrorism suspect.



Federal agents investigating 'Unfaithful' Tiger Woods Gatorade bottles

DENVER - Federal food safety inspectors are investigating the bootleg Gatorade bottles turning up in local stores.

On Saturday night, 9NEWS reported shoppers were finding bottles with photos of Tiger Woods and his wife and the word "unfaithful."

9NEWS sent a crew to a Denver Safeway and found additional mislabeled bottles on the shelves.

A temporary worker for Gatorade says the company sent sales reps and temps into stores Saturday to remove those bottles.

Gatorade told us it has contacted local authorities.

9Wants To Know Investigator Kyle Clark has learned the Food and Drug Administration's Office of Criminal Investigations is looking at the situation as a possible tampering or adulteration case.


344 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:30:14am

re: #340 Sharmuta

I never thought I'd remove her, but I found another avatar I wanted more.

Who is that little babushka?

345 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:30:46am

re: #335 albusteve

absolutely not true...New Orleans and LA are a perfect example, as are MI and CA voters

I'm talking about national elections. You can get these problems in states all the time. I'll use my home state as an example. The Machine Dems have all the money and clout. The state GOP, has no money or clout. While the Dems tend to run corrupt politicians, the state GOP always runs crappy candidates. A good conservative candidate wouldn't run for state-wide office because they know they will lose without any party support. This happens because one party has a strangle-hold on the power.

This is not true nationally.

346 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:31:10am

re: #342 Alouette

I'm trying to get Zedushka to not eat so much meat. His favorite vegetarian food is falafel.

BTW how is little Stinky Bastard doing?

If I may, who's Stinky Bastard?

347 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:31:19am

re: #328 Dragon_Lady

Whoa, too much info for me! :)

Nah, TMI is I draw the line at a ball gag.//

348 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:31:41am

The 'false' pandemic: Drug firms cashed in on scare over swine flu, claims Euro health chief

Planners were told to get morgues ready for the sheer scale of deaths and there were warnings that the Army could be called in to prevent riots as people fought to obtain drugs

don't believe everything you hear

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

349 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:31:51am

re: #343 RogueOne

Whoops! Talk about a snafu! Glad I didn't think of that one!

350 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:32:35am

re: #344 Alouette

Who is that little babushka?

She is Bernadette Soubirous, and a distant relation of mine.

351 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:33:11am

re: #347 RogueOne

You got me there.....

352 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:33:37am

re: #345 Soap_Man

I'm talking about national elections. You can get these problems in states all the time. I'll use my home state as an example. The Machine Dems have all the money and clout. The state GOP, has no money or clout. While the Dems tend to run corrupt politicians, the state GOP always runs crappy candidates. A good conservative candidate wouldn't run for state-wide office because they know they will lose without any party support. This happens because one party has a strangle-hold on the power.

This is not true nationally.

well then everything is okay then...

353 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:33:40am

Stinky Bastard Kitteh was healed and moved to a rescue shelter where he will stay until adopted, which my guess is he already has been.

354 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:34:55am

re: #353 Sharmuta

Stinky Bastard Kitteh was healed and moved to a rescue shelter where he will stay until adopted, which my guess is he already has been.

that was a fun little gig...all's well that ends well...nice goin

355 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:35:09am

Anyone see walter around yesterday or did he claim he was "working"?

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]


People forgo pants on Denver light-rail Sunday for No Pants! Subway Ride

As Denver resident Bevelee Simpson boarded a northbound light- rail car Sunday, he noticed a young woman in what he thought was a bathing suit.

Then he saw another.

Then it got strange.

Spread throughout the car were men reading newspapers, women listening to their iPods, a family of adults chatting about Denver — all in their underwear.

Nobody seemed to know one another or even acknowledge they were half-naked.

More than 30 people — including a cadre of high school girls, a Polish performance artist, collegians and software programmers — on Sunday braved stares, giggles and 40-degree temperatures to ride the rails en masse in their skivvies as part of a massive, nationwide prank.

"It was kind of cute. Better them than me. I would've got arrested," Simpson said. He said he doesn't mind the public pranks "so long as it's not really blown out of proportion and as long as it's not dangerous to everybody."

The No Pants! Subway Ride was started in 2002 by the New York City-based Improv Everywhere and has since inspired copycats in cities nationwide, including Denver.

356 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:35:13am

re: #353 Sharmuta

You're a good person Sharmuta.

357 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:36:08am

re: #352 albusteve

well then everything is okay then...

Just wait and see. If the economy still sucks in 2012, Obama and the Dems get their asses handed to them. They know that. Which is why they would never intentionally wreck the economy, or keep it from recovering.

I would love to keep this going, but I have to get back to work.

Take it easy everyone.

358 generalsparky  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:36:35am

re: #338 Sharmuta

Great idea!

We are usually meatless on Fridays unless we are visiting someone's house or my family (who are not Catholic) are over.

359 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:36:41am

re: #350 Sharmuta

She is Bernadette Soubirous, and a distant relation of mine.

Very cute.

360 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:37:46am

re: #356 Dragon_Lady

You're a good person Smurf Sharmuta.

361 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:37:57am

re: #357 Soap_Man

If the economy still sucks in 2012,

You're willing to give them until 2012 to "fix" this?

wow ,,,,, just ,,,, wow ,,,,,

362 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:39:29am

re: #360 Mad Al-Jaffee

Guess I "blue" that one huh?

363 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:39:43am

re: #361 sattv4u2

If the economy still sucks in 2012,

You're willing to give them until 2012 to "fix" this?

wow ,,, just ,,, wow ,,,

the fix will be 8% unemployment at best....FIXED IT!

364 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:41:17am

re: #361 sattv4u2

If the economy still sucks in 2012,

You're willing to give them until 2012 to "fix" this?

wow ,,, just ,,, wow ,,,

I won't, but I think a lot of people will.

Okay, now I'm leaving.

365 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:41:29am

One of those "wtf is wrong with people!?" stories:

[Link: www.newschannel9.com...]

COLUMBIA, Tenn. (AP) - A man who was at an Enumclaw, Wash., farm where a man was fatally injured having sex with a horse five years ago pleaded no contest Monday to having sex with animals on a farm in Tennessee.

The Maury County sheriff's office said Thursday that 58-year-old James Michael Tait was sentenced to 10 years of probation. The farm owner, 44-year-old Kenny Thomason, pleaded guilty on Tuesday and was given two years of probation.

They were arrested in October. Investigators seized videos.

366 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:41:46am

re: #363 albusteve

the fix will be 8% unemployment at best...FIXED IT!

At waht inflation rate?
At what national debt number?

367 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:41:54am

re: #356 Dragon_Lady

Thank you. Welcome again to LGF. :)

re: #358 generalsparky

I plan on discussing meatless Fridays with a few other Catholics I know, and I'm hoping I can get them to follow it as well- not just spiritually, but it's also better for our planet, so it feels doubly important to me to get more Catholics to join the more traditional Friday diet. Peace be with you. :)

368 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:42:12am

re: #364 Soap_Man

I won't, but I think a lot of people will.

Okay, now I'm leaving.

Yet YOU posted it!

369 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:42:36am

re: #365 RogueOne

One of those "wtf is wrong with people!?" stories:

[Link: www.newschannel9.com...]

Uhh...yeah...uhh, WTF is wrong with people indeed.

370 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:43:22am

re: #340 Sharmuta

I never thought I'd remove her, but I found another avatar I wanted more.

I just noticed the new one. I miss Smurfette. :(

371 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:44:28am

You know American workers are in bad shape when a low-paying, no-benefits job is considered a sweet deal. Their situation isn't likely to improve soon; some economists predict it will be years, not months, before employees regain any semblance of bargaining power. That's because this recession's unusual ferocity has accelerated trends — including offshoring, automation, the decline of labor unions' influence, new management techniques, and regulatory changes — that already had been eroding workers' economic standing

disposable workers...petty services, the wave of the future...thanks BO...FIXED!

372 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:44:36am

re: #365 RogueOne

WTF indeed! Thats just so WRONG! Is there no end to the sickness of the bottom of the gene pool? Ugh!

373 generalsparky  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:46:00am

re: #367 Sharmuta

And also with you :-)

I agree with you 100%. Being a good steward of the earth is very important to me and I believe as a Christian, it is a requirement.

374 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:47:26am

re: #369 Varek Raith

re: #372 Dragon_Lady

This story was on the same news station, the headline sucked me in:

Man who said he was 'massaging' meat gets 10 years

[Link: hosted.ap.org...]

375 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:48:19am

re: #374 RogueOne

re: #372 Dragon_Lady

This story was on the same news station, the headline sucked me in:

They sure know how to write 'em! :D

376 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:49:44am

we need to drill for oil and gas....we need to build nuclear power plants...we need nuclear and solar power to desalinate the West...we need to find cheaper means for people to get off the grid...all of these would create permanent jobs

cheaper fuel and smaller tax burden will get small business back up and running...the backbone of the economy

377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:51:29am

re: #376 albusteve

What did you think about the end of the Green Bay/Cardinals game?

378 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:51:45am

re: #371 albusteve

How is outsources Obama's fault, again?

The point of that article is that corporate practices have disempowered workers. It's about an imbalance accelerated by the recession.

What do you feel Obama should be doing about it?

379 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:52:16am

re: #373 generalsparky

And also with you :-)

I agree with you 100%. Being a good steward of the earth is very important to me and I believe as a Christian, it is a requirement.

I'm pleased to meet your acquaintance. Please accept my belated "Welcome to LGF!" and I agree with you- if we respect God, we should respect His creation. You don't go to the home a person you respect and potty on their carpet.

380 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:53:44am

It's taking forever for new comments to refresh. I take it it's not just me?

381 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:54:39am

re: #377 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What did you think about the end of the Green Bay/Cardinals game?

stunning...miss a chip shot then a quick turnover for a TD?...wow...but there was absolutely no defense in that game...would Warner go for 38-43 or whatever against Dallas?...more like a good highschool game

382 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:55:10am

re: #380 RogueOne

It's taking forever for new comments to refresh. I take it it's not just me?

Happening to me, as well.

I think Thanos explained why;

re: #283 Thanos

***
This am we are getting a double e-lanche from LA times and Daily grail referrals to the Parting ways post, everyone please play nice and watch for trolls at the bottoms of old threads.

383 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:55:22am

re: #378 Obdicut

How is outsources Obama's fault, again?

The point of that article is that corporate practices have disempowered workers. It's about an imbalance accelerated by the recession.

What do you feel Obama should be doing about it?

I just posted what I think

384 philosophus invidius  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:56:04am

CNN:

His anguish apparent, the father of Anwar al-Awlaki told CNN that his son is not a member of al Qaeda and is not hiding out with terrorists in southern Yemen.

[...]

"He has been wrongly accused, it's unbelievable. He lived his life in America, he's an all-American boy. My son would love to go back to America, he used to have a good life in America. Now he's hiding in the mountains, he doesn't even have safe water to drink," al-Awlaki said.

Good.

385 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:56:17am

re: #378 Obdicut

How is outsources Obama's fault, again?

The point of that article is that corporate practices have disempowered workers. It's about an imbalance accelerated by the recession.

What do you feel Obama should be doing about it?

Not outsourcing the stimulus package to Pelosi/Reid would have been a good start.//

386 ryannon  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:57:48am

re: #374 RogueOne

re: #372 Dragon_Lady

This story was on the same news station, the headline sucked me in:

I've heard of even stranger things being done with stolen cheese.

And I learned about it on LGF!

387 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:58:35am

re: #386 ryannon

I've heard of even stranger things being done with stolen cheese.

And I learned about it on LGF!

XD I don't wanna even ask...

388 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:59:15am

Mr. Seyfer’s disappointment was echoed in dozens of interviews here and in Fort Collins, Colo. People from both sides of the political spectrum — and apolitical consumers — said they were deeply skeptical about the health care bill being put together by Congress and the White House.

Harry and Nancy simply ignore the will of the voters

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

389 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:59:59am

re: #387 Varek Raith

Yeah, me either! My imagination is just too good!

390 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:00:09am

Now Online: 2,007
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391 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:00:33am

re: #380 RogueOne

It's taking forever for new comments to refresh. I take it it's not just me?

No, it's me too

392 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:00:44am

re: #390 reine.de.tout

Now Online: 2,007
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Yesterday
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Quick! Someone get the hamsters some Gatorade!!!

393 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:01:02am

re: #385 RogueOne

Not outsourcing the stimulus package to Pelosi/Reid would have been a good start.//

the worst legislation in history...an epic partisan failure

394 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:01:21am

re: #390 reine.de.tout

Now Online: 2,007
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Today
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Yesterday
Page Views: 101,692
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And it's still morning. Looks like today's page views and visits will be more than yesterday's.

395 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:01:21am

re: #390 reine.de.tout

Why so many people viewing? Did something happen this weekend I didn't read?

396 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:02:12am

re: #395 RogueOne

Why so many people viewing? Did something happen this weekend I didn't read?

I believe there were a couple of profiles or interviews with Charles that were published over the weekend or today.

397 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:02:12am

re: #380 RogueOne

It's taking forever for new comments to refresh. I take it it's not just me?

Trying to ding is impossible and trying to post...ugh.

398 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:02:14am

re: #391 Semper Fi

Yeah, me too and I am being doubled on the reply's even though I'm careful about hitting the button only once. Strange things are goin on.....

399 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:02:20am

re: #395 RogueOne

Why so many people viewing? Did something happen this weekend I didn't read?

Yes;
re: #283 Thanos

***
This am we are getting a double e-lanche from LA times and Daily grail referrals to the Parting ways post, everyone please play nice and watch for trolls at the bottoms of old threads.

400 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:03:25am

re: #397 MandyManners

Trying to ding is impossible and trying to post...ugh.

In bed?

401 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:03:56am

re: #397 MandyManners

Trying to ding is impossible and trying to post...ugh.

Switch to Spy mode. It works better for those times when the hamsters are sucking down the energy boosters.

402 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:04:03am

If the first year of President Barack Obama's foreign policy were a law firm in Charles Dickens's London, it would have a name like Bumble, Stumble and Skid

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

403 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:04:24am

re: #381 albusteve

stunning...miss a chip shot then a quick turnover for a TD?...wow...but there was absolutely no defense in that game...would Warner go for 38-43 or whatever against Dallas?...more like a good highschool game

I think the Cardinals were still smarting from the week before when the Packers handed them their hat.

404 Firstinla  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:04:25am

Build a great, objective site and people will flock to it.

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:05:12am
406 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:06:54am

re: #403 Semper Fi

I think the Cardinals were still smarting from the week before when the Packers handed them their hat.

I really don't like those types of games...I love a stout defense, so right now Dallas is a dream come true for me...that and their offense could easily get them into and win the SB...am I crazy?...no....defense wins championships

407 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:07:33am

Game Change also slams Palin as mentally unstable and an ignoramus who thought Saddam was ultimately behind 9/11.

"One minute, Palin would be her perky self; the next she would fall into a strange blue funk," the authors write.

The morning of her ill-fated CBS interview with Katie Couric, Palin - "her eyes glassy and dead" - was unresponsive to attempts to prep her as she was being made up.

"As they were about to set off to meet Couric, Palin announced 'I hate this makeup' - smearing it off her face, messing up her hair, complaining she looked fat," the book relates.

Palin went on to give answers to Couric that were so incoherent the interview permanently damaged her.

The idea that she was suffering from post partum depression was also raised by staffers/handlers.

Sheesh.

408 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:09:43am

re: #398 Dragon_Lady

Yeah, me too and I am being doubled on the reply's even though I'm careful about hitting the button only once. Strange things are goin on...

Too early to blame it on, Spring in the air.

409 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:10:35am

About 2,000 on-line and 100 logged in is not a lot.

410 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:11:13am

they promise you the moon, then cut and run when their folly strikes home...donks

[Link: www.comcast.net...]

411 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:11:37am

re: #407 lawhawk

Game Change also slams Palin as mentally unstable and an ignoramus who thought Saddam was ultimately behind 9/11.


The idea that she was suffering from post partum depression was also raised by staffers/handlers.

Sheesh.


IT'S THE EVIL UTERUS!!!

412 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:11:55am

re: #409 MandyManners

About 2,000 on-line and 100 logged in is not a lot.

I am having no problems at all...running fast for me

413 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:14:11am

re: #407 lawhawk

The book also apparently gets Scott Schmidt to admit that without Palin, the McCain campaign would have lost by an even greater margin.

Palin's spokeswoman, Meg Stapleton, has disputed the version of events presented in the reporters' book.

"The governor's descriptions of these events are found in her book, 'Going Rogue.' Her descriptions are accurate," Stapleton said in a statement to "60 Minutes." Stapleton added: "She was there. These reporters were not."

Schmidt conceded that had Palin not been on the ticket, "our margin of defeat would've been greater than it would've been otherwise."

That bit at the end comes as the last paragraph in the WaPo story - burying the lede as it were.

It looks like this book skewers pretty much everyone in both parties. Might make for a good read on that basis alone.

414 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:14:23am

re: #406 albusteve

I really don't like those types of games...I love a stout defense, so right now Dallas is a dream come true for me...that and their offense could easily get them into and win the SB...am I crazy?...no...defense wins championships

Right now, Dallas looks like The Team. I just don't see them losing. Hoping the Vikings can make a game of it. Looking forward to a mighty game next weekend between the two. Pure entertainment...
Heading for CA right after the SB.

415 generalsparky  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:14:53am

re: #379 Sharmuta

I'm pleased to meet your acquaintance. Please accept my belated "Welcome to LGF!" and I agree with you- if we respect God, we should respect His creation. You don't go to the home a person you respect and potty on their carpet.

Thank you!

And of course, I agree with you once again.

416 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:14:56am

re: #362 Dragon_Lady

Guess I "blue" that one huh?

Welcome, a pun huh? You'll fit in just fine here.

417 SteveC  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:15:19am

re: #407 lawhawk

Game Change also slams Palin as mentally unstable and an ignoramus who thought Saddam was ultimately behind 9/11.

The idea that she was suffering from post partum depression was also raised by staffers/handlers.

Sheesh.

Does the book have sources? I have read that they are few and far between - everyone has anonymity so that could "speak freely."

If there aren't any sources, then you almost have to read it as Fiction or Alternate History.

418 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:16:28am

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't have a reason for posting this, other than I just love this song...

"Well, I b'lieve that's the purtiest thing I ever heard."

419 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:17:00am

re: #413 lawhawk

Schmidt needs to figure out that "non-plussed" is not a synonym for "calm".

420 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:17:11am

re: #416 rwdflynavy

Welcome, a pun huh? You'll fit in just fine here.

Oh, yeah. We call it "Punnishment" around here and hardly a day goes by without a round in our place.

421 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:17:25am

Finally upgraded to Windows 7 the other day. So far so good. Didn't expect it to delete my mail program, but a replacement was easily had.

422 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:17:48am

"The IDF will not tolerate shooting by terror groups toward Israel and will continue to operate powerfully and determinedly against any party using terror tactics against Israel," the statement read

IAF 3
Hamas 0

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

423 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:18:29am

re: #394 reine.de.tout

And it's still morning. Looks like today's page views and visits will be more than yesterday's.

Just sad. More of Charles continued descent into irrelevance.
//

424 Kragar  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:20:05am

Finished watching the original series of The Prisoner and now I can honestly ask the question, WTF was up with the ending?

425 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:20:41am

re: #418 The Sanity Inspector

"Well, I b'lieve that's the purtiest thing I ever heard."

It just about is. Just love that song. Have a friend who sings just like that, husband is a banjo player... A guitarist, the banjo player and his wife worked that out, just to play it for me as a Christmas gift.

Was one of the most touching things that ever happened to me. I was kind of like Mr. Darling.

426 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:20:58am

[Link: reason.com...]

Throwing the Book at Speech Codes


One reason people assume political correctness is dead is that campus speech codes—perhaps the most reviled symbol of P.C.—were soundly defeated in every single legal challenge brought against them from 1989 to 1995. At two universities in Michigan, at the University of Wisconsin and the University of Connecticut, at Stanford, speech codes crumbled in court. And of the 13 legal challenges launched since 2003 against codes that FIRE has deemed unconstitutional, each and every one has been successful. Given the vast differences across judges and jurisdictions, a 13-0 winning streak is, to say the least, an accomplishment.

Yet FIRE has determined that 71 percent of the 375 top colleges still have policies that severely restrict speech. And the problem isn’t limited to campuses that are constitutionally bound to respect free expression. The overwhelming majority of universities, public and private, promise incoming students and professors academic freedom and free speech. When such schools turn around and attempt to limit those students’ and instructors’ speech, they reveal themselves as hypocrites, susceptible not only to rightful public ridicule but also to lawsuits based on their violations of contractual promises.

427 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:21:10am

re: #414 Semper Fi

Right now, Dallas looks like The Team. I just don't see them losing. Hoping the Vikings can make a game of it. Looking forward to a mighty game next weekend between the two. Pure entertainment...
Heading for CA right after the SB.

the odds that the Vikings will beat Dallas are very long...but anything can happen...I can promise you the Vikings do not want to play Dallas and that's worth a TD or so right there

428 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:24:06am
The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists.
Their predictions – based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans – challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy’s most deeply cherished beliefs, such as the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in
summer by 2013.

According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007 – and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this.

And my favorite palm tree froze to death last night.

429 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:25:06am

re: #427 albusteve

the odds that the Vikings will beat Dallas are very long...but anything can happen...I can promise you the Vikings do not want to play Dallas and that's worth a TD or so right there

I'm especially torn as I consider Bret Favre a bona fide legend and wish him well. On the other hand I have become a big fan of all things TEXAS.

430 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:25:06am

re: #426 RogueOne

[Link: reason.com...]

Throwing the Book at Speech Codes

These wackademics could save a lot of trees by boiling their speech codes down to their essence, which would fit on a 3x5 card. "Anything that offends leftists is forbidden. Anything that offends conservatives is compulsory."

431 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:25:53am

re: #428 filetandrelease

And my favorite palm tree froze to death last night.

Don't be too sure it's dead. I've got one that won't flourish, but won't die, either.

432 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:25:59am

Are there people around who still think the Dems health care bill will hold down costs and improve service?

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]


With Democrat Martha Coakley in trouble in the Massachusetts special election to fill Ted Kennedy's seat, Democrats could lose vote No. 60 for President Obama's health-care bill. In response, an army of lobbyists for drug companies, health insurance companies, and hospitals has teamed up to throw a high-dollar Capitol Hill fundraiser for Coakley next Tuesday night. The invitation is at right (click here for a better view).

Of the 22 names on the host committee--meaning they raised $10,000 or more for Coakley--17 are federally registered lobbyists, 15 of whom have health-care clients. Of the other five hosts, one is married to a lobbyist, one was a lobbyist in Pennsylvania, another is a lawyer at a lobbying firm, and another is a corporate CEO. Oh, and of course, there's also the political action commitee for Boston Scientific Corporation.

All the leading drug companies have lobbyists on Coakley's host committee: Pfizer, Merck, Amgen, Sanofi-Aventis, Eli Lilly, Novartis, Astra-Zeneca, and more. On the insurance side of things, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Cigna, Humana, HealthSouth, and United Health all are represented on the host committee.


This bill is an excuse to line the pockets of the democrat constituents. Maybe all the money pouring in is the reason they don't give a crap what the voters think.

433 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:26:17am

re: #428 filetandrelease

And my favorite palm tree froze to death last night.

It's the pirates.

434 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:26:47am

re: #430 The Sanity Inspector

These wackademics could save a lot of trees by boiling their speech codes down to their essence, which would fit on a 3x5 card. "Anything that offends leftists is forbidden. Anything that offends conservatives is compulsory."

Yeah, I had noticed that little tendency of theirs. Glad I'm not alone in my observations.

435 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:27:26am

re: #429 Semper Fi

I'm especially torn as I consider Bret Favre a bona fide legend and wish him well. On the other hand I have become a big fan of all things TEXAS.

I live in NM, but I love Texas...I let bygones be bygones...the dumbasses invaded us twice and got their asses handed to them both times...they still resent that

436 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:28:12am

re: #431 The Sanity Inspector

Don't be too sure it's dead. I've got one that won't flourish, but won't die, either.

Actually you are right, but it will start from the roots, and takes many years of warm winters to regain its former stature. With current winter trends getting colder, I doubt it will ever get more than a foot high.

437 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:28:59am

re: #432 RogueOne

Are there people around who still think the Dems health care bill will hold down costs and improve service?

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]


This bill is an excuse to line the pockets of the democrat constituents. Maybe all the money pouring in is the reason they don't give a crap what the voters think.

nice catch...the bill is filthy dirty, a disgrace

438 Firstinla  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:29:02am

re: #429 Semper Fi

I've been a Farve fan since he started playing and am now equally cheering for Dallas, so I'm choosing to sit on the 50 yard line and root for both teams equally...way too difficult to pick a favorite.

439 SteveC  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:30:27am

re: #432 RogueOne

Are there people around who still think the Dems health care bill will hold down costs and improve service?

*slaps knee and laughs!*

440 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:30:35am

re: #433 Varek Raith

It's the pirates.

You sure its really dead? Palm trees are notoriously hard to kill. Hang tight, it may recover come spring. (I majored in ornamental horticulture in collage)

441 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:31:48am

re: #440 Dragon_Lady

You sure its really dead? Palm trees are notoriously hard to kill. Hang tight, it may recover come spring. (I majored in ornamental horticulture in collage)

Refer to post 436.

442 Ojoe  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:32:03am
443 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:32:42am

re: #438 Firstinla

I've been a Farve fan since he started playing and am now equally cheering for Dallas, so I'm choosing to sit on the 50 yard line and root for both teams equally...way too difficult to pick a favorite.

I was always a Farve fan...any football fan that wasn't is way too biased...he was a terrific, fun player and great for the league....he was everything good about the NFL...and when he was getting killed here last year I stuck up for him and said his playing days are not over...neener neener, told ya so!

444 abolitionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:33:28am

re: #430 The Sanity Inspector

These wackademics could save a lot of trees by boiling their speech codes down to their essence, which would fit on a 3x5 card. "Anything that offends leftists is forbidden. Anything that offends conservatives is compulsory."

That's as compact and complete a statement on the subject as any I've heard.

445 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:33:54am

re: #443 albusteve

I was one of those nay sayers. Which is why I am for Minnisota from here on out. That dude is like a hundred years old!

446 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:34:05am

re: #443 albusteve

and now Romo is filling his shoes...same style, ironically Farve is his hero

447 stevemcg  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:34:09am

re: #427 albusteve

Don't get too worried about Dallas. The Eagles just threw up all over themselves on Saturday. Their offensive line is in tatters and their defense was shot. I was actually surprised they made the run they did. Dallas caught a lucky break in their schedule. They caught the Saints when they were due to lose, everybody takes advantage of the Redskins, and the Eagles just couldn't play defense anymore.

448 SteveC  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:34:17am

re: #440 Dragon_Lady

You sure its really dead?

As Coroner I must aver, I thoroughly examined her and she's not only merely dead, she's really most sincerely dead. - Munchkin Coroner, The Wizard of Oz

449 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:34:32am

re: #445 filetandrelease

I was one of those nay sayers. Which is why I am for Minnisota from here on out. That dude is like a hundred years old!

Kurt Warner is 39

450 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:34:34am

re: #435 albusteve

I live in NM, but I love Texas...I let bygones be bygones...the dumbasses invaded us twice and got their asses handed to them both times...they still resent that

That's funny but didn't know that took place.

451 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:35:19am

re: #435 albusteve

I live in NM, but I love Texas...I let bygones be bygones...the dumbasses invaded us twice and got their asses handed to them both times...they still resent that

Didn't they get...lost, in one of their invasions?

452 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:35:40am

re: #449 albusteve

Kurt Warner is 39


Isn't Farve his Dad?

453 ryannon  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:35:41am

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't have a reason for posting this, other than I just love this song...

Another 'Darling' - Eric, from the folk revival of the 60s, with a rousing "Bowling Green" with the Kossoy Sisters. Fresh and sharp as a swig of good moonshine whiskey:

454 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:36:40am

re: #448 SteveC

As Coroner I must aver, I thoroughly examined her and she's not only merely dead, she's really most sincerely dead. - Munchkin Coroner, The Wizard of Oz

What variety was it, do you know? I didn't know that munchkins had a coroner... but then Dorothy did kill the witch...

455 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:36:45am

re: #438 Firstinla

I've been a Farve fan since he started playing and am now equally cheering for Dallas, so I'm choosing to sit on the 50 yard line and root for both teams equally...way too difficult to pick a favorite.

I think that's a smart move under the circumstances. Just enjoy the game. Will do.

456 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:37:51am

re: #447 stevemcg

Don't get too worried about Dallas. The Eagles just threw up all over themselves on Saturday. Their offensive line is in tatters and their defense was shot. I was actually surprised they made the run they did. Dallas caught a lucky break in their schedule. They caught the Saints when they were due to lose, everybody takes advantage of the Redskins, and the Eagles just couldn't play defense anymore.

that's odd...those teams were real good until they played Dallas...Brees didn't just lose (at home), he was reduced to an after thought, the lowest points this year, same for Washington and Philly who had a dynamite offense (number one in yrds, number two in points)...due to lose is cliche...look at the numbers

457 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:38:18am

re: #443 albusteve

I was always a Farve fan...any football fan that wasn't is way too biased...he was a terrific, fun player and great for the league...he was everything good about the NFL...and when he was getting killed here last year I stuck up for him and said his playing days are not over...neener neener, told ya so!

He has amazing endurance that seemingly comes from his love of the game.

458 SteveC  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:40:29am

re: #454 Dragon_Lady

I didn't know that munchkins had a coroner... but then Dorothy did kill the witch...

The Munchkin Coroner was my Great-Uncle by marriage. Not that it matters much - I never knew him, and those in the family who did say he was a leaping Son of a....

Why and how a leaping SOB is worse than the average SOB, I'm not sure, but apparently it is.

459 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:40:35am

re: #437 albusteve

There's more connections there as Tony Podesta is John Podesta's brother; Heather Podesta is John's sister in law.

460 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:40:39am

re: #445 filetandrelease

I was one of those nay sayers. Which is why I am for Minnisota from here on out. That dude is like a hundred years old!


Experience and the physical ability to use it.

461 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:41:16am

re: #451 Varek Raith

Didn't they get...lost, in one of their invasions?

not really, they got up near the Pecos and ran out of water...duh!...then we burned their supplies and humiliated them...the second time around was the Civil War at Glorietta...same thing, the Union got behind them, burned their supplies and forced a scattered rout...they were harried and picked on all the way back to the border....New Mexicans have a mean streak too

462 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:41:56am

re: #442 Ojoe

Joan Baez sings Schubert's Ave Maria in the original

Since we're on songs.

Bobby McFerrin does something a bit different with Ave Maria.

463 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:42:06am

re: #459 lawhawk

There's more connections there as Tony Podesta is John Podesta's brother; Heather Podesta is John's sister in law.

little nepotism?

464 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:42:14am

re: #461 albusteve

not really, they got up near the Pecos and ran out of water...duh!...then we burned their supplies and humiliated them...the second time around was the Civil War at Glorietta...same thing, the Union got behind them, burned their supplies and forced a scattered rout...they were harried and picked on all the way back to the border...New Mexicans have a mean streak too

Very interesting, thanks!

465 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:42:59am

All this talk of football is gut wrenching. I have no teams to root for. Watching Cowboys-Eagles was horrific, as a Giants fan, and it only will get worse from here. I am amazed that Farve made it through the season; he couldn't do it with the Jets. I'm hoping the Vikings or Saints put the 'boys out of my misery.

I guess I will have to console myself with picking good boxes for the Super Bowl... /

466 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:44:17am

re: #457 Semper Fi

He has amazing endurance that seemingly comes from his love of the game.

he's also lucky...he's never really been injured too bad because he's he's tough and when he was he just suited up and played anyway...with a big old smile on his face...gotta love it

467 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:44:44am

re: #446 albusteve

and now Romo is filling his shoes...same style, ironically Farve is his hero

I can't stand favre. I'm rooting for the cowboys to go all the way anyway but it'll be sweet if they can knock the old guy out of the NFL for good. Besides, unless the old bastard retires how is Manning supposed to break all his records?

468 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:45:06am

re: #465 lawhawk

All this talk of football is gut wrenching. I have no teams to root for. Watching Cowboys-Eagles was horrific, as a Giants fan, and it only will get worse from here. I am amazed that Farve made it through the season; he couldn't do it with the Jets. I'm hoping the Vikings or Saints put the 'boys out of my misery.

I guess I will have to console myself with picking good boxes for the Super Bowl... /

Your now a true spectator for the playoffs. Enjoy.

469 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:45:14am

re: #458 SteveC

You're funny! I like that! I just got out my "Sunset New Western Garden Book" The text we had to use in collage and I'll look up your poor tree to see what it says about survival rates, if you want.

470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:46:05am

re: #462 reine.de.tout

I've seen that before! Love it!

"And for those who are Jewish, who don't want to sing "Ave Maria", you can sing the Oy Veh Maria..."

471 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:46:27am

re: #465 lawhawk

All this talk of football is gut wrenching. I have no teams to root for. Watching Cowboys-Eagles was horrific, as a Giants fan, and it only will get worse from here. I am amazed that Farve made it through the season; he couldn't do it with the Jets. I'm hoping the Vikings or Saints put the 'boys out of my misery.

I guess I will have to console myself with picking good boxes for the Super Bowl... /

I'll bet you do....well, see ya next year!...bwahahaha!

472 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:46:58am

re: #470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've seen that before! Love it!

"And for those who are Jewish, who don't want to sing "Ave Maria", you can sing the Oy Veh Maria..."

You are so bad! I love it!

473 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:47:55am

re: #467 RogueOne

I can't stand favre. I'm rooting for the cowboys to go all the way anyway but it'll be sweet if they can knock the old guy out of the NFL for good. Besides, unless the old bastard retires how is Manning supposed to break all his records?

man, that's just cold...not really a game or league fan eh?

474 Semper Fi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:48:11am

It's just about 10 am and I'm feeling good enough to make breakfast. That's a good sign.

Thank you, Lizards. See ya later.

475 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:49:19am

re: #474 Semper Fi

It's just about 10 am and I'm feeling good enough to make breakfast. That's a good sign.

Thank you, Lizards. See ya later.

Hope you feel better, it was nice typing to you. Have a great day!

476 SteveC  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:49:50am

re: #469 Dragon_Lady

You're funny! I like that! I just got out my "Sunset New Western Garden Book" The text we had to use in collage and I'll look up your poor tree to see what it says about survival rates, if you want.

It's not my tree. But I am supposed to go to a funeral today - in 24 degree weather. DO NOT expect me at the grave site!!!!

477 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:50:19am

re: #473 albusteve

man, that's just cold...not really a game or league fan eh?

certainly, just hate favre.

478 stevemcg  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:50:51am

re: #456 albusteve

In the game or two leading up to the Dallas game the Saints were struggling. They even lost to the lowly Bucs at home the week after. I don't know how the Eagles scored all those points. They started the season without two of their projected starting linemen, and lost their center on week 16. The team's greatest RB ever was in uniform, but is probably done. So that offensive arsenal consisted of a decent QB, a very good receiver, a decent rookie WR and a near pro bowl TE. Anyway, nothing lasts forever. Andy Reid had never gone 1 and done in the playoffs, Dallas hadn't won a playoff game in 13 years so those things are bound to end.

479 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:51:50am

everybody hates the Cowboys...funny that...they sell out all their road games for like 40 years...that and the way J Jones busted the NFL with marketing, all you haters can thank the Cowboys for putting money in your bank accounts....hahaha!...say thank you!

480 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:52:30am

Dead lizards everywhere (no really, here in C. FL) what are the birds going to eat? Very strange, they just roll over belly up. This can't be good for the bugs either. That is welcomed.

481 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:52:30am

re: #476 SteveC

It's not my tree. But I am supposed to go to a funeral today - in 24 degree weather. DO NOT expect me at the grave site!!!

No matter what the temp funerals are not enjoyable events. Keep warm!

482 Ben Hur  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:52:38am

Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News

The network confirmed that Ms. Palin will appear on the network’s programming on a regular basis as part of a multi-year deal. Financial terms were not disclosed.

The Fourth Horseman has found her horse.

/

483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:52:55am

re: #479 albusteve

Before the Cardinals got good, when the Cowboys came to town, there'd be more Dallas jerseys in the stands than Cardinals...

484 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:53:16am

re: #479 albusteve

I always rooted for the cowboys until they started picking up dirtbag players over the last decade. Once they finally got rid of owens this year I feel better about rooting for them.

485 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:54:18am

re: #479 albusteve

That sounds suspiciously like another team from another sport that pioneered all of the aforementioned tactics and marketing; the NY Yankees. That would be the World Champion NY Yankees too (and for those who care about such things, rumors that Jeter is getting married in November are probably bogus).

486 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:54:24am

re: #482 Ben Hur

Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News


The Fourth Horseman has found her horse.

/

Awesome.

487 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:55:45am

re: #482 Ben Hur

I never saw that coming for a moment........

/ need i have though?

488 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:56:17am

re: #478 stevemcg

In the game or two leading up to the Dallas game the Saints were struggling. They even lost to the lowly Bucs at home the week after. I don't know how the Eagles scored all those points. They started the season without two of their projected starting linemen, and lost their center on week 16. The team's greatest RB ever was in uniform, but is probably done. So that offensive arsenal consisted of a decent QB, a very good receiver, a decent rookie WR and a near pro bowl TE. Anyway, nothing lasts forever. Andy Reid had never gone 1 and done in the playoffs, Dallas hadn't won a playoff game in 13 years so those things are bound to end.

bound to end yes, but like that?...the Eagles were a very very good football team up until two weeks ago, the Dallas DBs simply shut down their bigtime receivers...as for the Saints, they don't have the caliber offense to stop a powerhouse like Dallas and they got exposed....bottom line Dallas is on a roll, they are en fuego making good teams look bad...admit it

489 abolitionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:56:48am

North Korea calls for peace talks with U.S. to formally end Korean War

They insist on some confidence-building measures first. Maybe if we let them hold our football...

490 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:57:54am

re: #488 albusteve

I can't wait for next Sunday! At least we're the early game! Woo hoo!

491 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:57:59am

I'm gonna log out now, type at you all later, have a great day!

492 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:58:00am

re: #483 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Before the Cardinals got good, when the Cowboys came to town, there'd be more Dallas jerseys in the stands than Cardinals...

I wish they never left St Louis...I have always pulled for the Cards and the other perrenial losers...sooner or later you have to win

493 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:58:46am

re: #489 abolitionist

As long as it's not the small green one...............

494 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:59:57am

re: #484 RogueOne

I always rooted for the cowboys until they started picking up dirtbag players over the last decade. Once they finally got rid of owens this year I feel better about rooting for them.

there are dirtbag players on every team...nobody get near the scrutiny that Dallas does...to be sure I was not happy with the coke parties in the 90s either, or Pacman

495 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:00:11am

re: #488 albusteve

I'm not sure they'll manage to pull it out this weekend but if the saints manage to beat the cards this weekend, I'm going to have to root for Brees over the cowboys. He's a good Purdue kid.

496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:02:13am

re: #494 albusteve

Or Terrell for that matter...

497 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:02:24am

re: #485 lawhawk

That sounds suspiciously like another team from another sport that pioneered all of the aforementioned tactics and marketing; the NY Yankees. That would be the World Champion NY Yankees too (and for those who care about such things, rumors that Jeter is getting married in November are probably bogus).

Jeter is my homie...Kalamazoo...he used to wear a Yankee jersey to grade school and brag how he was gonna play for them someday...he did that for years

498 darthstar  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:05:13am

re: #494 albusteve

there are dirtbag players on every team...nobody get near the scrutiny that Dallas does...to be sure I was not happy with the coke parties in the 90s either, or Pacman

One person's dirtbag is another person's role model. The time has long since passed when athletes should be idolized for anything other than their performance on the field.

499 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:06:15am

re: #497 albusteve

Well, he's only the best player in baseball.

500 Firstinla  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:06:48am

re: #489 abolitionist

Nah...they'll just pull the football away ala Lucy in Peanuts

501 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:07:51am

re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Or Terrell for that matter...

TO was no dirtbag...sorry...a gigantic ego yes...I'll never forget the star incident, Emmit's reply and G Teagues famous tackle...the stuff of legend

502 darthstar  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:08:22am

re: #482 Ben Hur

Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News

The Fourth Horseman has found her horse.

/

She already appears on Fox News exclusively for free. Why the hell would they need to pay her to say stupid shit on TV? Were they afraid she would get a job being a regular contributor on Olbermann's show?

503 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:11:26am

re: #502 darthstar

She already appears on Fox News exclusively for free. Why the hell would they need to pay her to say stupid shit on TV? Were they afraid she would get a job being a regular contributor on Olbermann's show?

It is the consistent huge rating boost she provides them that has motivated Fox to make financial arraingments with her.

504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:11:26am

re: #501 albusteve

I never forgave him for the Star thing. Does it show?

505 darthstar  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:12:45am

re: #503 filetandrelease

It is the consistent huge rating boost she provides them that has motivated Fox to make financial arraingments with her.

Well, at least we know she doesn't care to pursue a future in politics.

506 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:13:38am

re: #504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I never forgave him for the Star thing. Does it show?

I didn't like him but I don't hate him either...he's gotten what he deserves...reduced to pimping himself around the league to pad his stats

507 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:13:40am

re: #499 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, he's only the best player in baseball.

Let's not get carried away. He's a HOFer in waiting; no 'roid connections we know of; class act; putting up HOF numbers and may play long enough to go after Rose's hit record. Having 5 rings doesn't hurt either.

But, he's not the best player in the game. ARod and Pujols are both superior hitters - particularly in power department. He might not even be the most dominant HOFer in waiting on his own team - that would go to Mariano Rivera.

508 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:14:04am

re: #505 darthstar

Well, at least we know she doesn't care to pursue a future in politics.


I don't get that out of this.

509 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:15:59am

re: #507 lawhawk

Let's not get carried away. He's a HOFer in waiting; no 'roid connections we know of; class act; putting up HOF numbers and may play long enough to go after Rose's hit record. Having 5 rings doesn't hurt either.

But, he's not the best player in the game. ARod and Pujols are both superior hitters - particularly in power department. He might not even be the most dominant HOFer in waiting on his own team - that would go to Mariano Rivera.

it's what he brings to the Game...everybody loves Jeter for a reason...he's a throwback player who respects the game and it's tradition and plays it the old fashioned way...to me that means a lot

510 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:17:04am

re: #508 filetandrelease

I don't get that out of this.

you have to have PDS to understand

511 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:18:08am

re: #510 albusteve

you have to have PDS to understand


LOL

512 darthstar  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:18:58am

re: #508 filetandrelease

I don't get that out of this.

She's in it for the money. Unless someone else will be footing the bill, I don't see her running for any public office again. She's got a guaranteed paycheck through the Obama administration.

513 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:20:00am

re: #512 darthstar

She's in it for the money. Unless someone else will be footing the bill, I don't see her running for any public office again. She's got a guaranteed paycheck through the Obama administration.


Obama is paying her salary at Fox!!!
//

514 darthstar  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:20:14am

re: #510 albusteve

you have to have PDS to understand

Oh, I don't have Palin Derangement Syndrome. I think she's a gift that keeps on giving. For as long as Fox and the GOP think she's an asset, she'll continue to bring the crazy and push rational voters away.

515 Firstinla  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:20:48am

test...this is only a test

516 Firstinla  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:23:11am

first attempt at an embed...now: how did I do that? Sometime this year I am going to learn how to use this computer.

517 albusteve  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:25:55am

re: #514 darthstar

Oh, I don't have Palin Derangement Syndrome. I think she's a gift that keeps on giving. For as long as Fox and the GOP think she's an asset, she'll continue to bring the crazy and push rational voters away.

thank god she's not, like, speaker of the House

518 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:29:01am

re: #516 Firstinla

first attempt at an embed...now: how did I do that? Sometime this year I am going to learn how to use this computer.

You pasted the link into your open comment box.
It's that simple.

519 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:31:54am

We have any 360 gamers around here?

520 Lidane  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:33:27am

re: #484 RogueOne

I always rooted for the cowboys until they started picking up dirtbag players over the last decade.

I rooted for the Cowboys as a kid. My mom's orthopedic surgeon was the team doctor for the Cowboys back in the Staubach/Dorsett years, and he got us tickets on occasion. Hell, we even went to the Super Bowl one year when it was Dallas vs. Pittsburgh. Mom used it as an excuse to take me to Disney World at the same time. It was awesome. XD

I stopped rooting for them when Jerry Jones came around, particularly in the way he handled Tom Landry's firing. I understood why the firing happened, but the way it was done has always left a bitter taste in my mouth. The man was a damned legend and he was treated like someone who'd been busted stealing office supplies. I've never forgiven Jones for that. =P

521 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:38:36am

re: #458 SteveC

The Munchkin Coroner was my Great-Uncle by marriage. Not that it matters much - I never knew him, and those in the family who did say he was a leaping Son of a...

Why and how a leaping SOB is worse than the average SOB, I'm not sure, but apparently it is.

You're related to Munchkins? Or is this the actor who played him?

522 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:38:51am

re: #519 RogueOne

We have any 360 gamers around here?

Guilty. Just finished Assassins Creed II. flynavyrwd is my handle.

523 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:40:32am

re: #517 albusteve

thank god she's not, like, speaker of the House

Exactly, because that would actually take an election and a long term commitment.

524 recusancy  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:42:06am

re: #517 albusteve

thank god she's not, like, speaker of the House

She's speaker of the nut house.

525 Lidane  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:44:02am

re: #519 RogueOne

We have any 360 gamers around here?

*raises hand*

I'm currently working my way through Assassin's Creed II, and I'm strangely addicted to that 1 vs. 100 game on XBox Live. It's fun. :)

My username is also my XBL gamertag.

526 darthstar  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 10:49:06am

re: #515 Firstinla

Good test....I used to love Alabama, and I always enjoy some good mando.

527 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 11:36:00am

re: #476 SteveC

It's not my tree. But I am supposed to go to a funeral today - in 24 degree weather. DO NOT expect me at the grave site!!!

In some parts they used to dig graves in the fall and leave them open, because after the ground froze, there was no doing it. I guess they have better equipment these days?

528 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 11:36:40am

re: #482 Ben Hur

Sarah Palin to Contribute to Fox News


The Fourth Horseman has found her horse.

/

Horseperson?

529 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 11:57:38am

re: #527 SanFranciscoZionist

In some parts they used to dig graves in the fall and leave them open, because after the ground froze, there was no doing it. I guess they have better equipment these days?

Often, the corpse is stored in an above-ground crypt until the weather permits excavation. It just isn't worth trying to dig through soil that's frozen solid to a depth of several feet, and even if you did, you wouldn't be able to fill the hole back in without somehow pulverizing the frozen blocks you pried out.

530 Graphictruth  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:22:13pm

"So stating that we are at war with radical Islam will add clarity to the war effort and will save lives."

True. It would. But you would have to then explain what it is about Radical Islam, what they advocate, etc. And THAT, of course, will make any thinking being go "wait, haven't I heard this before? What about THESE guys? They are right next door!"

(In the Air Force, it's your freakin' Chaplain!"

531 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:25:21pm

re: #267 Sharmuta

After much contemplation, weasel, I decided to give this comment a ding down, because it is not your place to tell me or anyone else what is or is not "fitting" for their profile quotes since this isn't your blog.

I'd also ask you to stop posting comments to me with your false concern and/or respect for me, since you have neither for me, and we both know this, or at least I have known this since learning you asked my friends to let me starve when I needed help.

I think it's a bad idea to have a Catholic saint as your avatar while also quoting a murderous, genocidal fuck who specialised in persecuting Irish Catholics, like me.
And Scots, like Jimmah.
I don't blame you for being embarrassed about it. Decent people would be. And you're not even a Catholic.

And as for your total distortion of events there, let's say this: I think it's a bad idea for a 'fiscal conservative' to expect to be given -- not lent -- money on a demand basis every six weeks, while refusing or being disinterested in all offers of practical help: resume writing, getting back into school, legal clinics, food pantries, and more.

But then, I also think it's a bad idea to hate someone who wanted to help you, and merely objected to the idea of giving you money all the time. Or to carry on a vendetta against them for it.
Bring on your downdings, St Sharmuta of Duh. But maybe you should be spending a little more time planning your resume or your school plans, so that you aren't in need of such 'help' (i.e. gifts of money) every few weeks, and a little less time 'seriously considering' when and where to downding me.

532 Graphictruth  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:25:30pm

re: #146 MandyManners

And not just ANY whiskey! Bushmills!

533 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:46:01pm

re: #267 Sharmuta

Sharmuta, as you know I am one of those you asked iceweasel to approach for money for you.

Both iceweasel and I were genuinely concerned about your well-being, but as a rule I do not give money to people I only 'know' from the internet, especially when it seems to me that it's not ultimately serving any purpose except allowing someone to put off making some urgent decisions and changes in their life. Iceweasel felt the same way.

To characterize iceweasel's thoughts and feelings on this as wanting to let you starve is a disgraceful lie. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself for this and the way you have behaved towards iceweasel since that time.

534 prairiefire  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:36:34pm

re: #390 reine.de.tout

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It's the media exposure. Awesome. I'll mention it to you on a thread that is not dead. Although, this one might not be.........

535 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:44:49pm

re: #533 Jimmah

I can't say I'm sorry she brought the real issue up. From the beginning of her vendetta against me she has been seeking ways to smear my character and pretend that this is all somehow about LGF. It is not. She has called me a liar multiple times, a narcissist, and a sociopath, and I took it all. She has been frantically emailing and IMing others, to enlist them in her campaign of hate.

It has been, and always has been, purely personally motivated, entirely by events occurring off the blog. It's been going on for months.
I would never have divulged that information about her and did not, in all this time, no matter how nasty she has been to me. Even when people here asked me what it was about. Even when her spite and malice and envy led her to sneak back to an old thread to downding our wedding video-- which was the moment when I lost all remaining sympathy for her.

Now it's out, and in future should she try to malign me again, I will be linking these posts, so people can see exactly what this is all about. What it has always been about.

And now I intend to engage in no further discussion on the matter -- or with her, ever again.

536 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:46:24pm

re: #535 iceweasel

Ha. Screwed up the relevant link.

Ok, now I am done.

537 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:06:33pm

re: #535 iceweasel

Exactly. It's unfortunate that Sharmuta dragged such personal matters up here, but having done so and lied about it, there was nothing else to do but to correct that lie.

It's a shame this discussion had to take place, but it's better on a dead thread like this.

538 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:29:37pm

Lies.

539 Sharmuta  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:39:37pm

And some real ugliness.

540 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:44:30pm

As long as you don't forgive, who and whatever it is will occupy rent-free space in your mind.
--Isabelle Holland (The Long Search)

And when a man injures and oppresses you and deals unjustly with you, you should deal kindly with him and forgive him. Thus you will strike at the root of hatred and enmity and he who is your enemy will become your friend.
--The Koran

Forgiveness is an inner correction that lightens the heart. It is for our peace of mind first. Being at peace, we will now have peace to give to others, and this is the most permanent and valuable gift we can possibly give.
--Gerald Jampolsky

541 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:46:27pm

Forgiveness is the name of love practiced among people who love poorly. The hard truth is that all of us love poorly. We need to forgive and be forgiven every day, every hour -- unceasingly. That is the great work of love among the fellowship of the weak that is the human family.
--Henri Nouwen

He that cannot forgive others, breaks the bridge over which he himself must pass if he would ever reach heaven, for everyone has need to be forgiven.
--George Herbert

It is easy to forgive others their mistakes; it takes more grit to forgive them for having witnessed your own.
--Jessamyn West

542 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:50:48pm

Many promising reconciliations have broken down because while both parties come prepared to forgive, neither party come prepared to be forgiven.
--Charles Williams

Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die.
--Malachy McCourt

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
--Mahatma Gandhi

Of the Seven Deadly Sins, anger is possibly the most fun. To lick your wounds, to smack your lips over grievances long past, to roll over your tongue the prospect of bitter confrontations still to come, to savor to the last toothsome morsel both the pain you are given and the pain you are giving back -- in many ways it is a feast fit for a king. The chief drawback is that what you are wolfing down is yourself. The skeleton at the feast is you.
-- Frederick Buechner

543 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:53:21pm

re: #542 The Sanity Inspector

Thank you for, as always, having the best quotes for any occasion. An excellent note on which to end the thread, and hopefully the whole issue.

544 Sharmuta  Tue, Jan 12, 2010 10:21:35pm

The Sanity Inspector-

Thank you. You've made me reflect, and I realize, thanks to you, it is actually something to pity. My sincerest apologies, for this has not been one of my better moments. I can only say I was coming from a place of hurt, and lashed out, and it was inappropriate. I think LGF deserves better, so it won't happen again.

545 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Jan 13, 2010 8:59:45am

re: #544 Sharmuta

You should be apologising to iceweasel - she is the one you were lying about.

546 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Jan 13, 2010 2:35:21pm

re: #545 Jimmah

You should be apologising to iceweasel - she is the one you were lying about.

It will never happen. Just last night she dropped this little turd onto an active thread to continue to stir shit.
And was ignored by all, deservedly.

She has, and has always had, my email. Yet she continues to choose to use LGF for her own petty and personal vendettas, and for weird forms of emotional gratification, rather than behaving like an adult.
That comment I linked is merely another sad attempt by her to garner points from others for her newfound 'religion'. Oh, and attention.

547 Irish Rose  Thu, Jan 14, 2010 4:33:35am

You're both assholes.
Grow the fuck up.

548 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Jan 14, 2010 4:38:38am

re: #547 Irish Rose

Physician, heal thyself.

You might want to apply your words to all involved in the discussion, not merely me and Jimmah.

549 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:11:30am

re: #547 Irish Rose

You're both assholes.
Grow the fuck up.

I guess the mature thing would be to let Sharmuta's slanders stand huh? Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. Want to lie about me or my wife? Go right ahead but don't start crying when we set the record straight.

And someone who breezes on to a dead thread trying to stir up shit with nothing but downdings and name calling is the last person I will be taking advice on mature behaviour from.

PS - Remember you wrote me and invited me to contribute to your new blog? Just to let you know - I'm not interested.

550 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:22:40am

re: #549 Jimmah

PS - Remember you wrote me and invited me to contribute to your new blog? Just to let you know - I'm still not interested.

PIMF

551 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:37:39pm

There aren't enough martyr cookies in the world to satisfy some people.


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