Barrett Brown vs. Donald Douglas

At True/Slant, Barrett Brown has been getting into it with wingnut blogger Donald Douglas, and the story of Douglas’s latest attempt to defend the white supremacist connections of Robert Stacy McCain has some amusing turns.

Brown has put up two posts that should be read in order for the full effect:

Seven Questions for Donald Douglas on the Question of R.S. McCain’s Racism

Donald Douglas Answers My Questions and Then Some.

It’s amazing to think someone would do this, but in the post quoted by Barrett Brown, Donald Douglas actually offers a lame defense of the openly white supremacist American Renaissance. First we learn that Douglas himself is a former subscriber to American Renaissance, which comes as no shock whatsoever:

4. Are you familiar with the publication American Renaissance?

Yes. I used to subscribe to it.

Douglas then digs his hole even deeper, with a bizarre convoluted rationalization that American Renaissance is “not entirely” a white nationalist magazine.

5. Do you consider the publication to be white supremacist in nature?

Not entirely. Any “white supremacy” may be implied but I never saw it overtly expressed. There are white supremacists who take the publication because they like the discussion about race and crime. The founder of that publication does not believe that whites are “superior” to Asians, as Asians have a provably higher IQ than whites. He once asked if that made him a “yellow supremacist.” The publication was generally objective and useful in discussing race and crime, political correctness, IQ and other factors as they vary by race. I stopped taking it, however, when I became aware that neo-Nazis love the publication and when it began running selected stories about non-white crime, which I felt were not really representative and had no purpose other than to stoke race prejudice. The short answer is that I do not recommend American Renaissance.

If you’d like to check Douglas’s assertion that the white nationalism of American Renaissance is somehow questionable, just Google the name and see for yourself what kind of material they publish.

Wikipedia’s entry has some background information:

American Renaissance and the New Century Foundation are alleged to have had links with far right, neo-fascist and racist organizations and individuals such as: the Council of Conservative Citizens, the Pioneer Fund, the British National Party, Don Black and David Duke.[3][4] The organization has held bi-annual conferences that are open to the public and that attract 200 - 300 people. Critics say that some of those who attend are neo-Nazis, white nationalists, white separatists, Ku Klux Klan members, Holocaust deniers and eugenicists (as well as numerous protestors).[5] Taylor has written that the magazine welcomes Jews as writers and conference speakers.[6] Contributors to the magazine and conferences have included Stephen Webster, Michael Levin, Nick Griffin, Bruno Gollnisch, J. Philippe Rushton, Ian Jobling, Glenn Spencer, Lawrence Auster, Richard Lynn, Sam Dickson, and Samuel T. Francis.

According to the Anti-Defamation League [7], “The New Century Foundation - known primarily by the name of its publication, American Renaissance — promotes ‘genteel’ racism: pseudoscientific, questionably researched and argued articles that validate the genetic and moral inferiority of non-whites and the need for racial ‘purity.’ Generally avoiding overt bigotry and stereotyping, many of North America’s leading intellectual racists have written for the journal or have addressed the biannual American Renaissance conferences.”

This exchange between Brown and Douglas explains quite a bit about the right wing bloggers who support Robert Stacy McCain so vehemently.

UPDATE at 1/12/10 12:32:10 pm:

Another twist to the tale: Donald Douglas Wins a Point, Still Not Making a Lot of Sense, Though.

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130 comments

1 jdog29  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:00:55pm

Implied white supremacy = white supremacy

2 DaddyG  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:02:07pm
American Renaissance is “not entirely” a white nationalist magazine.

…not if you include the ads for ammo loaders and Idaho survivalist real estate. /

3 TampaKnight  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:05:27pm

I have no idea who Robert McCain is, which is probably a good thing.

4 jdog29  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:06:27pm

re: #3 TampaKnight

I have no idea who Robert McCain is, which is probably a good thing.

I don’t either and I’m glad I don’t.

5 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:09:00pm

re: #3 TampaKnight

re: #4 jdog29

If you click on his name in blue, at the top of Charle’s post, you can learn about him, from LGF!

6 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:17:17pm

re: #3 TampaKnight

I have no idea who Robert McCain is, which is probably a good thing.

He is a white supremacist douchebag. But you probably gathered that. What makes him special is the fact that many right wing bloggers have failed to distance themselves from him.

7 Gus  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:18:23pm

Right, and some of the recent articles and advertising at American Renaissance:

Black Influence Creates Millions of White Criminals
The Transition to Black Rule
Africa in our Midst: Lessons from Katrina
Frank Salter’s - On Genetic Interests
Nick Griffin to Speak at Ninth American Renaissance Conference (2010)
Wayne Lutton (CCC adviser) — “The Real Case Against Immigration.”

Or from American Renaissance’s leader/editor, Jared Taylor from Demography and Destiny speech:

On aesthetic grounds alone we have reason to be outraged by what Mr. Chevènement says. I like the way our people look. I want my grandchildren to look like my grandparents. I don’t want them to look like Anwar Sadat or Foo Man Chu or Whoopi Goldberg. I want them to look the way my people have looked for thousands of years, and for that I have no apology.

8 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:19:07pm

All that crap about IQ variance by race pisses me the hell off. It shows such an obvious misunderstanding of genetics.

And yes, saying that Asians have higher IQs is also racist. Jews have forever been accused of being overly-smart, usually paired with an association of moral and physical weakness. I’ll be the praise for the Asians (nicely generic) for their IQ comes with something else on the side.

9 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:20:01pm

Genteel racism? That’s an oxymoron.

10 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:20:46pm

Here is McCain’s article at American Renaissance under the pen name Burke C. Dabney
Race and Teenage Pregnancy

11 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:20:47pm

re: #3 TampaKnight

I have no idea who Robert McCain is, which is probably a good thing.

Count yourself lucky. He’s one of the many unpleasant people LGF has been so kind as to make me aware of.

Just be aware of his existence, since occasionally someone will pop up on here saying “McCain did XYZ!” and you’ll be like “John McCain did WHUT?” until you realize that it’s just RSM again.

12 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:22:50pm

re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist

Count yourself lucky. He’s one of the many unpleasant people LGF has been so kind as to make me aware of.

Just be aware of his existence, since occasionally someone will pop up on here saying “McCain did XYZ!” and you’ll be like “John McCain did WHUT?” until you realize that it’s just RSM again.

I laughed because it happened to me more than once.

13 harrylook  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:22:58pm

What’s so great about RSM in Donald Douglas’ eyes that he would go through so much trouble to defend him?

14 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:23:27pm

re: #3 TampaKnight

re: #4 jdog29

He’s just one more reason not to give Hot Air any traffic.

15 Gus  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:24:44pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Here is McCain’s article at American Renaissance under the pen name Burke C. Dabney
Race and Teenage Pregnancy

Excerpt from the mad man:

White women would have to give birth to 13.5 percent more babies every year in order for the white population just to maintain its current size. Meanwhile, Hispanic and black fertility rates are 62 and 20 percent higher than the white rate, and ensure growing populations while the white population declines. One might well wonder about indiscriminate anti-natalist propaganda when some groups in the country are already below replacement-level fertility. The “success” of such propaganda only accelerates the decline of the white population. If crusaders against teenage motherhood were serious, they would concentrate on the black and Hispanic girls who account for more than half of teenage births. Targeting whites as part of a general campaign is yet another form of racial suicide. We should encourage whites to have children within marriage; instead they are encouraged only to use contraceptives, whether married or single.

Robert Stacy McCain

16 researchok  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:25:36pm

To be fair, the word ‘conservative’ today is by no means a code word for white supremacy any more than the word ‘progressive’ connotes anti semitism or the ‘Zionism is racism’ meme.

That said, there is no question that there has been a deliberate effort on the part of the religious right and racist right to blur the lines between their ideologies and true conservatism. The same can be said for real progressives and liberals. They are in a position now where they have to fend off the extremists and racists that are attempting to hijack those ideologies.

Time and time again we have seen conservatives and progressives get into bed with some very unsavory types for any number of reasons- usually the most self serving ones.

No sacred cows here.

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:28:07pm

re: #16 researchok


No sacred cows here.

Let no sacred cow go un-grilled.

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:28:28pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Right, and some of the recent articles and advertising at American Renaissance:

Well, I wouldn’t want my grandkids to look like Anwar Sadat either. That would be a weird look for a baby.

What charmingly old-fashioned bigots!

19 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:28:38pm

re: #15 Gus 802

Some other man who can’t seem to keep his nose out of other people’s uteruses.

20 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:30:12pm

re: #19 MandyManners

Some other man who can’t seem to keep his nose out of other people’s uteruses.

Ooops. Uteri.

21 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:31:26pm

re: #20 MandyManners

Ooops. Uteri.


in bed

23 Jack Burton  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:33:28pm

re: #13 harrylook

What’s so great about RSM in Donald Douglas’ eyes that he would go through so much trouble to defend him?

I’m not sure why they bend over backwards to protect this douchebag either. Even if you take his thinly (or sometimes not so thinly) veiled racism out of the equation, he is not some kind of grand scholar of Conservatism or Libertarianism. He is not a Thomas Sowell or even a VDH. He’s an ass, and he’s dumb. He’s a… dumbass!

24 Gus  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:35:54pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I wouldn’t want my grandkids to look like Anwar Sadat either. That would be a weird look for a baby.

What charmingly old-fashioned bigots!

They don’t seem to understand the transition society has taken in an increasingly mobile world. We are no longer insular citizens living in isolated enclaves with no cross cultural differences. As soon as we began to travel around the world, and as immigration increased, that insularity dissolved. I find this odd because this is not a new behavior and has been present since the industrial age or even well before that. They are rather old-fashioned.

25 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:35:56pm

re: #19 MandyManners

You may like this old gem from The Onion.

26 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:36:22pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Here is McCain’s article at American Renaissance under the pen name Burke C. Dabney
Race and Teenage Pregnancy

I just tried to read thru that, not easy to do.
For one thing, I found his charts confusing.

He sure did go through a whole lot of mental gymnastics to try to show that unwed teen pregnancy is mostly a problem of black and hispanic teens. At one point he even takes information showing hispanic teens have a lower rate than non-hispanic whites, and he turns it into a higher rate.

Interestingly, the overall teenage illegitimacy rate is actually slightly lower for Hispanics than for whites (67.3 percent v. 67.5 percent for 18 — and 19-year-olds — see lower part of Table 6). However, when illegitimacy is expressed in terms of the rate of unwed births to unmarried teenagers, Hispanics are more than twice as likely as whites to have illegitimate children (107.8 per thousand 18 — and 19-year-olds as opposed to 42.8 — see upper part of Table 6).

sheesh. When you see a “but” or a “however” from him, you should know you’re about to hear something quite garbled.

27 Barrett Brown  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:36:23pm

Here are some more examples of the content at American Renaissance, from the chapter on McCain in my upcoming book on sucky commentators:

Rape—Silent War on SA Women - Another “legacy of apartheid.”

A Quiet End for Boys Choir of Harlem - Destroyed by scandal and tax problems.

Slaying of Drug War Hero’s Family Shocks Mexico - Our lovely neighbors to the south.

Foreign Models Flock to China, Which Embraces a Western Vision of Beauty - Even the Chinese have officially fallen for blondes.

Out of Control Crowd at JFK - Only passengers flying to Haiti required police intervention.

Illegal Alien Arrested for Slashing Throat of Elderly Woman - Another illegal turns on his employer.

California Safeway Store Doors Unlocked During Christmas … People Leave Cash - Ad hoc “honor system” probably wouldn’t have worked in Watts or East LA.

… and here are excerpts from an article that’s up on their main page right now:

Jack Johnson, who was born in Galveston, Texas, but later moved to Chicago, was the original loutish celebrity athlete. In the early 20th century, when white supremacy was still the norm, he taunted his opponents both in and out of the ring, and boasted about his endless fornications with white women…

… This, then, was the background to Johnson’s prosecution under the Mann Act. The act, passed in 1910, got its name from its chief sponsor, Congressman James R. Mann (R-IL). The statute authorized federal prosecution of anyone who transported a woman across state lines “for immoral purposes.” Congress claimed that its authority to regulate interstate commerce could be used to stop the white slave trade. The act was part of a series of religious and Progressive Era reforms aimed at civilizing American society, and the city of Chicago took part enthusiastically in this effort. Johnson, however, continued to flaunt his insatiable sexual appetite, especially in the aftermath of his victory in “the fight of the century”…

…I predict this most recent attempt to rehabilitate Johnson will succeed. After all, he is just the sort of black person we are supposed to admire: In his prime, he could beat any white man in the ring and he debauched untold numbers of white women…

28 Gus  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:36:45pm

re: #22 Baier

Is that one of Jared Taylor’s offspring? /

29 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:36:57pm

re: #23 ArchangelMichael

Fooking excellent avatar. Zod FTW!

30 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:37:56pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I wouldn’t want my grandkids to look like Anwar Sadat either. That would be a weird look for a baby.

What charmingly old-fashioned bigots!

Moustache and bald head would look weird on a baby.
//

31 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:38:39pm

re: #27 Barrett Brown

book on sucky commentators

Is that the working title?

32 Ben Hur  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:39:14pm

re: #24 Gus 802

They don’t seem to understand the transition society has taken in an increasingly mobile world. We are no longer insular citizens living in isolated enclaves with no cross cultural differences. As soon as we began to travel around the world, and as immigration increased, that insularity dissolved. I find this odd because this is not a new behavior and has been present since the industrial age or even well before that. They are rather old-fashioned.

The US/Europe is not the world.

I doubt it’s happening in Asia, Africa, Mid-East, ie the majority of the world, like it does closer to home. Though I don’t think it’s happening that much in Europe either.

33 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:39:50pm

I’m gonna’ go pick up The Kid and get some sanity back into my head.

34 Gus  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:41:00pm

re: #32 Ben Hur

The US/Europe is not the world.

I doubt it’s happening in Asia, Africa, Mid-East, ie the majority of the world, like it does closer to home. Though I don’t think it’s happening that much in Europe either.

Yes but Asia, Africa, and the Mid-East has come to the US/Europe. For several hundred years now.

35 Jack Burton  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:41:04pm

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth

Fooking excellent avatar. Zod FTW!

When he comes to rule all of planet Houston, your name shall be on the protected rolls and you will come to no harm.

36 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:41:20pm

re: #15 Gus 802

Good grief.
Could he be any more obvious that he’s promoting higher birthrates for “whites”, and wants the government to target black & hispanic births for the purpose of preserving the racial make-up of this country as white-majority?

37 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:42:30pm

re: #36 reine.de.tout

Good grief.
Could he be any more obvious that he’s promoting higher birthrates for “whites”, and wants the government to target black & hispanic births for the purpose of preserving the racial make-up of this country as white-majority?

You are acting like that is racist in some way?
//

Margaret Sanger would love RSM.

38 Gus  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:42:46pm

re: #36 reine.de.tout

Good grief.
Could he be any more obvious that he’s promoting higher birthrates for “whites”, and wants the government to target black & hispanic births for the purpose of preserving the racial make-up of this country as white-majority?

Yes. I would say that Robert Stacy McCain is endorsing eugenics or “selective breeding.”

39 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:48:06pm

re: #38 Gus 802

Yes. I would say that Robert Stacy McCain is endorsing eugenics or “selective breeding.”

He is indeed.

40 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:50:01pm

My daughter is quite disturbed that her little girl (my granddaughter) came home from preschool reciting a racist nursery rhyme.

It beings: “A little black kid went to the zoo.”

I’m not translating the rest.

Time to look for another preschool.

41 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:50:35pm

re: #40 Alouette

It beings:
Begins! PIMF

42 brookly red  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:51:54pm

re: #36 reine.de.tout

Good grief.
Could he be any more obvious that he’s promoting higher birthrates for “whites”, and wants the government to target black & hispanic births for the purpose of preserving the racial make-up of this country as white-majority?

uhhh, how exactly would the government target those births? (in his world that is)

43 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:52:47pm

re: #40 Alouette

My daughter is quite disturbed that her little girl (my granddaughter) came home from preschool reciting a racist nursery rhyme.

It beings: “A little black kid went to the zoo.”

I’m not translating the rest.

Time to look for another preschool.

Any idea where it came from? Other kids? Parents? Or (with a shudder) one of the teachers?

44 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:52:58pm

re: #40 Alouette

Wow, sorry to hear that. Good luck in your search for a new preschool.

45 researchok  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:53:34pm

re: #43 Soap_Man

Any idea where it came from? Other kids? Parents? Or (with a shudder) one of the teachers?

It was pre school. Had to be an idiot teacher.

46 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:54:07pm

re: #42 brookly red

uhhh, how exactly would the government target those births? (in his world that is)

He has suggested that programs to reduce teen pregnancy have been effective, AND he further suggests that government programs designed to reduce teen pregnancy be targeted to black and hispanic teens to reduce black and hispanic births.

47 Barrett Brown  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:54:50pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

Is that the working title?

Nah, we punched it up a bit from that and settled on Hot, Fat, and Clouded: The Amazing and Amusing Failures of the American Chattering Class. Charles Johnson is in it - as one of the non-douchebags, of course.

48 Soap_Man  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:54:55pm

re: #45 researchok

It was pre school. Had to be an idiot teacher.

Could be. But it is also possible that another kid heard it from a parent and was just repeating it without really knowing what it meant. I heard that stuff when I was a kid too.

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:55:04pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

He has suggested that programs to reduce teen pregnancy have been effective, AND he further suggests that government programs designed to reduce teen pregnancy be targeted to black and hispanic teens to reduce black and hispanic births.

Meanwhile, white teens are going to be issued a six-pack apiece and told to go to town?

/unsure if this is sarc

50 researchok  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:55:19pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

He has suggested that programs to reduce teen pregnancy have been effective, AND he further suggests that government programs designed to reduce teen pregnancy be targeted to black and hispanic teens to reduce black and hispanic births.

Margaret Sanger all over again.

51 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:56:22pm

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

Meanwhile, white teens are going to be issued a six-pack apiece and told to go to town?

/unsure if this is sarc

Yeah, I’m unsure if it’s sarc, too.
I actually think that’s sort of his idea.

52 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:56:34pm

re: #50 researchok

Margaret Sanger all over again.

re: #37 rwdflynavy

You are acting like that is racist in some way?
//

Margaret Sanger would love RSM.

Indeed

53 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:56:49pm

re: #47 Barrett Brown

Nah, we punched it up a bit from that and settled on Hot, Fat, and Clouded: The Amazing and Amusing Failures of the American Chattering Class. Charles Johnson is in it - as one of the non-douchebags, of course.

Hey, that costs more than Sarah Palin’s book! How can you justify that!?!?!

/

54 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:58:21pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

Hey, that costs more than Sarah Palin’s book! How can you justify that!?!?!

/

And there’s no kindle edition.

55 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 12:59:16pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

Hey, that costs more than Sarah Palin’s book! How can you justify that!?!?!

/

I’ll wager the higher price reflects the use of much bigger, more complicated words.

56 Gus  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:00:01pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

I’ll wager the higher price reflects the use of much bigger, more complicated words.

A ghost writer was not involved in the writing of this book.

/

57 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:03:24pm

From the first link to Brown at the top:

Either we are correct, or we are the greatest of scoundrels

There’s your column title, Charles, “The Greatest of Scoundrels”. Since that’s what they’ll say no matter how correct you are.

58 TampaKnight  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:03:53pm

Anyone see this?

www.foxnews.com...]>www.foxnews.com…]>30 Years of Global Cooling?a>

59 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:04:58pm

OT, but too ironic not to post.

Went to Google News and saw the following

Saudi says Israeli settlements preventing peace talks

Related articles directly below:

Gaza rocket hits Israel for fifth consecutive day

60 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:05:06pm

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

I’ll wager the higher price reflects the use of much bigger, more complicated words.

And a fact check or fifty.

61 rwdflynavy  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:05:51pm

re: #58 TampaKnight

Anyone see this?

30 Years of Global Cooling?a>

Yep, linked to the Daily Mail version on the overnight…

62 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:05:58pm

re: #27 Barrett Brown

Here are some more examples of the content at American Renaissance, from the chapter on McCain in my upcoming book on sucky commentators:

Rape—Silent War on SA Women - Another “legacy of apartheid.”

A Quiet End for Boys Choir of Harlem - Destroyed by scandal and tax problems.

Slaying of Drug War Hero’s Family Shocks Mexico - Our lovely neighbors to the south.

Foreign Models Flock to China, Which Embraces a Western Vision of Beauty - Even the Chinese have officially fallen for blondes.

Out of Control Crowd at JFK - Only passengers flying to Haiti required police intervention.

Illegal Alien Arrested for Slashing Throat of Elderly Woman - Another illegal turns on his employer.

California Safeway Store Doors Unlocked During Christmas … People Leave Cash - Ad hoc “honor system” probably wouldn’t have worked in Watts or East LA.

… and here are excerpts from an article that’s up on their main page right now:

Jack Johnson, who was born in Galveston, Texas, but later moved to Chicago, was the original loutish celebrity athlete. In the early 20th century, when white supremacy was still the norm, he taunted his opponents both in and out of the ring, and boasted about his endless fornications with white women…

… This, then, was the background to Johnson’s prosecution under the Mann Act. The act, passed in 1910, got its name from its chief sponsor, Congressman James R. Mann (R-IL). The statute authorized federal prosecution of anyone who transported a woman across state lines “for immoral purposes.” Congress claimed that its authority to regulate interstate commerce could be used to stop the white slave trade. The act was part of a series of religious and Progressive Era reforms aimed at civilizing American society, and the city of Chicago took part enthusiastically in this effort. Johnson, however, continued to flaunt his insatiable sexual appetite, especially in the aftermath of his victory in “the fight of the century”…

…I predict this most recent attempt to rehabilitate Johnson will succeed. After all, he is just the sort of black person we are supposed to admire: In his prime, he could beat any white man in the ring and he debauched untold numbers of white women…

So you’re saying Jack Johnson was sort of the original Tiger Woods?

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:08:48pm

re: #62 jamesfirecat

So you’re saying Jack Johnson was sort of the original Tiger Woods?

I’m just fascinated at the thought process suggested by the use of the word ‘debauched’. These folks are museum pieces.

64 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:11:17pm

re: #43 Soap_Man

Any idea where it came from? Other kids? Parents? Or (with a shudder) one of the teachers?

My daughter is going to find out.

65 jaunte  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:12:48pm

“Sophisticated racial dialogue.”
I get the wordy obfuscation part, but I’m still missing the sophisticated part.

66 McSpiff  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:13:42pm

How can Sarah Palin have taken a job with Fox when Cato isn’t around? Hardly seems fair.

67 Gus  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:15:39pm

re: #66 McSpiff

How can Sarah Palin have taken a job with Fox when Cato isn’t around? Hardly seems fair.

I question the timing. /

68 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:16:53pm

re: #67 Gus 802

I question the timing. /

Heh.

69 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:19:30pm

re: #59 rwdflynavy

OT, but too ironic not to post.

Went to Google News and saw the following

Saudi says Israeli settlements preventing peace talks

Related articles directly below:

Gaza rocket hits Israel for fifth consecutive day


I could just rerun blog posts I’ve written from any time in the past decade to cover this nonsense. Suffice to say, settlements aren’t an impediment to peace - terrorists who seek Israel’s destruction and refuse to accept a 2-state solution are the impediment. After all, Israel can and has removed Israelis from homes in Sinai as part of a peace deal. Israel removed Israelis from Gaza homes as part of the disengagement in furtherance of a peace plan. Terrorists haven’t stopped their attacks, let alone the plotting of additional attacks.

Still, the diplomats continue to behave as though Israel’s construction of housing is the reason we don’t have peace. Until those diplomats realize the reason there isn’t peace is that one side - the Palestinians - aren’t committed to anything other than Israel’s destruction, there is absolutely no chance for peace.

70 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:20:13pm

re: #62 jamesfirecat

You mean the way Tiger boasted about his sexual prowess and flaunted it to the media and his fans?

No.

71 McSpiff  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:21:23pm

re: #67 Gus 802

I question the timing. /


Fox has more cunning than I gave them credit for…

72 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:22:39pm

OT: The Return of Futurama (first 3 minutes)!!!

*sniffles* It’s really coming!

73 Gus  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:22:50pm

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m just fascinated at the thought process suggested by the use of the word ‘debauched’. These folks are museum pieces.

I sometimes picture these relics as being like “Lt. Steven Hauk” (Bruno Kirby) in “Good Morning Vietnam.” The other half being either Beavis or Butthead with Jack Bauer fantasies while picking on a bowl of Cheetos.

74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:24:58pm

re: #72 JasonA

Any idea what network it will be on?

75 brookly red  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:25:13pm

re: #72 JasonA

OT: The Return of Futurama (first 3 minutes)!!!


[Video]

*sniffles* It’s really coming!

that is wonderful! not wonderful enough to make me get a TV, but really good news…

76 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:26:39pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

Comedy Central.

77 dr. luba  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:27:35pm

re: #30 rwdflynavy

Moustache and bald head would look weird on a baby.
//

Many babies are fairly bald, but a mustache would be a bit weird. Unless, of course, it were an Addams…..

78 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:27:38pm

re: #76 JasonA

ARRGH! :grumblegrumbleswear:

79 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:28:21pm

re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth

Blame Fox. They’re the ones who canceled it in the first place.

80 recusancy  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:30:20pm

re: #79 JasonA

Blame Fox. They’re the ones who canceled it in the first place.

Along with Arrested Development.

81 Firstinla  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:30:49pm

re: #26 reine.de.tout

imho: here is no such thing as an “illegitmate” baby; only illegitmate parents.

82 American-African  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:32:13pm

I honestly do not worry too much about people like this. His Jack Johnson essay, however, would make a decent screenplay. Someone should produce the film and give McCain screen credit.

Get John Singleton on the line…

83 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:32:50pm

re: #80 recusancy

Along with Arrested Development.

At least that one’s getting a movie.

84 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:34:02pm

re: #81 Firstinla

imho: here is no such thing as an “illegitmate” baby; only illegitmate parents.

I agree there is no such thing as an illegitimate baby.
All babies are quite legitimate and precious.

Since you referenced my post without quoting it, let me make it clear for anyone else reading this that I didn’t use the term “illegitimate”; those are McCain’s words.

85 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:36:02pm

re: #82 American-African

I honestly do not worry too much about people like this. His Jack Johnson essay, however, would make a decent screenplay. Someone should produce the film and give McCain screen credit.

Get John Singleton on the line…

I do worry about people like this, not because I think they will actually get to ever make policy, but because of the sheer nastiness of their approach, and the fact that they may be able to influence impressionable minds.

86 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:36:06pm

re: #79 JasonA

re: #80 recusancy

FOOOOOX!

87 Firstinla  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:36:38pm

re: #84 reine.de.tout

Sorry if I created confusion. I know that wasn’t your word.

88 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:38:36pm

OT: Man, I love the internet.

Bea Arthur, kicking raptor ass. That is all.

89 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:39:24pm

re: #82 American-African

I honestly do not worry too much about people like this. His Jack Johnson essay, however, would make a decent screenplay. Someone should produce the film and give McCain screen credit.

Get John Singleton on the line…

I’m assuming you mean Jack Johnson, Heavyweight Boxing Champ. If so, they just replayed a documentary about him last week on PBS

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:42:39pm

re: #89 sattv4u2

I’m assuming you mean Jack Johnson, Heavyweight Boxing Champ. If so, they just replayed a documentary about him last week on PBS

Did they mention the number of white women he debauched?

//That just sounds so much cooler than ‘spent the night with’, or ‘had a fling with’.

91 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:44:24pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

Did they mention the number of white women he debauched?

//That just sounds so much cooler than ‘spent the night with’, or ‘had a fling with’.

The ones in the video had a huge smile on their faces!

I guess getting “debauched” isn’t all that bad !!!

/

92 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:47:47pm

re: #87 Firstinla

Sorry if I created confusion. I know that wasn’t your word.

No prob!
:-)

93 mr.JA  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 1:59:22pm

Completely off-topic, but did anyone see this?
[Link: www.smh.com.au…]

I knew the guy was a beamed-over-from-the-dark-ages autistic senile, but him saying the following beats anything:

For man, the path to be taken cannot be determined by caprice or willfulness, but must rather correspond to the structure willed by the Creator

I have nothing against Roman Catholics, but I despise the Catholic church with their doctrine…

94 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:12:08pm

“The founder of that publication does not believe that whites are “superior” to Asians, as Asians have a provably higher IQ than whites. “

Hey, I resemble that racist remark.

95 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:14:00pm

re: #94 Naso Tang

“The founder of that publication does not believe that whites are “superior” to Asians, as Asians have a provably higher IQ than whites. “

Hey, I resemble that racist remark.

As a white guy, I don’t even understand it !!
/

96 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:14:17pm

re: #93 mr.JA

I have nothing against Roman Catholics, but I despise the Catholic church with their doctrine…

Would it have been very difficult for you to simply say that you disagree, even strongly, with some of their doctrine?

97 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:15:19pm

re: #95 sattv4u2

As a white guy, I don’t even understand it !!
/

cuz you IQ ain’t up nuff?

98 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:16:30pm
99 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:16:54pm

re: #97 Naso Tang

cuz you IQ ain’t up nuff?

It’s almost the same as my temperature!

ALMOST

(and if I’m running a fever, my IQ’s not even close!!)

100 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:18:28pm

re: #96 Naso Tang

Would it have been very difficult for you to simply say that you disagree, even strongly, with some of their doctrine?

Hey ,,,, he gave the obligatory “I have nothing against Roman Catholics”, so anything after that is okie dokie!!

101 Jimmah  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:18:36pm

The BNP’s legal director Lee Barnes seems to be confused here between Nelson Mandela and Adolf Hitler…

Go on Phillips you bent race relations terrorist and profiteer go ahead and bang Nick Griffin up – that way he will become our nations [sic] Nelson Mandela.

You think the party cannot function without Nick.

Think again.

He will love sitting in jail working on his autobiography.

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org…]

102 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:19:15pm

re: #96 Naso Tang

Would it have been very difficult for you to simply say that you disagree, even strongly, with some of their doctrine?

He can say what he wants and let him take the repercussions. If he hates them he can say so.

103 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:19:16pm

re: #99 sattv4u2

It’s almost the same as my temperature!

ALMOST

(and if I’m running a fever, my IQ’s not even close!!)

I’ve decided to change my race this year on the Census form to Other

104 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:20:40pm

re: #93 mr.JA

Downding for autistic & senile.

105 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:20:43pm

re: #101 Jimmah

He will love sitting in jail working on his autobiography

Don’t know what the dustup is about, but didn’t both Hitler and Mandela write their tomes while imprisoned?

(BTW ,,NOT comparing the two in any other way)

106 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:21:39pm

re: #104 Floral Giraffe

Downding for autistic & senile.

A rare Daily Double!

107 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:22:26pm

re: #103 HoosierHoops

I’ve decided to change my race this year on the Census form to Other

Next to the line for “OTHER”, I always write HUMAN

108 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:23:29pm

re: #103 HoosierHoops

re: #107 sattv4u2

Next to the line for “OTHER”, I always write HUMAN

Or sometimes “LOST”

109 Jimmah  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:23:59pm

re: #105 sattv4u2

He will love sitting in jail working on his autobiography

Don’t know what the dustup is about, but didn’t both Hitler and Mandela write their tomes while imprisoned?

(BTW ,,NOT comparing the two in any other way)

I know which one is a more relevant comparison to Mr Griffith, should he get ‘banged up’.

110 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:25:14pm

re: #109 Jimmah

I know which one is a more relevant comparison to Mr Griffith, should he get ‘banged up’.

Okay, but you’ll have to help me with translation here

“Banged Up”

(here, it means a couple of things, dependent on the context!!)

111 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:26:50pm

BBL ,, son wants desktop puter for homework

112 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:28:16pm

re: #93 mr.JA

Pissant.

113 Firstinla  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:28:24pm

re: #110 sattv4u2

I always thought there was a distinction between getting “banged” and getting “banged up.” But then, I’m an old(er) male.

114 Summer Seale  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:28:31pm

OT Humor via Geekologie:

Rugged Phone FAIL. =)

115 Jimmah  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:29:17pm

re: #110 sattv4u2

Okay, but you’ll have to help me with translation here

“Banged Up”

(here, it means a couple of things, dependent on the context!!)

I means chucked in the nick, shoved in the slammer.

116 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:30:38pm

re: #115 Jimmah

Locked in the banger?

117 Jimmah  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:40:56pm

re: #116 Floral Giraffe

Locked in the banger?

Doing porridge.

118 mr.JA  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:41:23pm

re: #96 Naso Tang

Would it have been very difficult for you to simply say that you disagree, even strongly, with some of their doctrine?

I may not be an English native speaker, but I say that I despise something, then I despise it.
Yes, I may have a strong opinion on it, but I’ve been reading on the actions of the Church lately, and this is again very damaging to the many homosexual people in society - they’re not at all in an easy situation, and then get this rubbed in.

To someone above: I am actually serious about not having anything against believers (apart from giving money to the church), I couldn’t care less and am all for personal freedom and believes.
I do however, have huge problems with the Church as it is. To say that homosexuality is endangering ‘the Creation’ is a very strong statement, and it is just incredibly wrong on every single account.

here’s bit from Penn and Teller, which started my search for information, it has some interesting bits about the current pope and his role in covering up the whole child abuse issue.
[Link: www.atheistmedia.com…]

The ‘autistic senile’ thing may work better in my language, where we maybe tend to be a bit more rude than in (american) English - I certainly didn’t want to offend anyone, I have a brother that has PDD-NOS (a form of autism), so at home we’re used to make jokes about it… guess you get hardened off a bit.

119 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:41:48pm

re: #79 JasonA

Blame Fox. They’re the ones who canceled it in the first place.

That’s not all I blame Fox for, anyone mentioning fireflies for any reason shoots my blood up through the roof….

120 allegro  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:46:02pm

re: #118 mr.JA

I rather question the humanity of anyone who doesn’t despise those particular polices and actions.

121 jaunte  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:50:12pm

re: #93 mr.JA

I would challenge the Pope’s reasoning here:

“One such attack comes from laws or proposals which, in the name of fighting discrimination, strike at the biological basis of the difference between the sexes,” he said, citing “certain countries in Europe or North and South America”.


and ask any defender of his words to demonstrate the harm assumed in the word ‘strike.’

122 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:54:29pm

re: #102 marjoriemoon

He can say what he wants and let him take the repercussions. If he hates them he can say so.

Well, he can get banned, but the point is, we don’t like giving the trolls anything to feed on, do we?

123 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:57:02pm

re: #118 mr.JA

You are homosexual, I’m an atheist; join the club, but it is not a war, it is still coexistence, so cool it and save the vitriol for personal, private, discussions.

124 mr.JA  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:03:52pm

re: #122 Naso Tang

Well, he can get banned, but the point is, we don’t like giving the trolls anything to feed on, do we?

That would’ve been a poor troll, I didn’t even mention that they were cross-dressers! It was just a bit a strong statement that I thought was funny and not to be taken serious…

At #102, I do not hate anyone, I just do not like certain policies and actions.
I never said anything about hating someone, so please to not put those words in my mouth.

125 harry91  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:12:36pm

re: #58 TampaKnight

It’s the “Daily Mail” tabloid trash.

Usually articles like this are Sandwiched between sightings of Bat Boy.

126 mr.JA  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:13:32pm

re: #123 Naso Tang

You are homosexual, I’m an atheist; join the club, but it is not a war, it is still coexistence, so cool it and save the vitriol for personal, private, discussions.

Nope, I’m very much interested in the opposite sex…
I get pissed off about homophobia because a good (lesbian) friend nearly killed herself because of her ‘helpful’ christian friends and family - I took care of her for a few days when she got a depression attack. Experiencing how these things actually attack people makes you get contrasty views on the subject…

127 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:18:07pm

re: #124 mr.JA

That would’ve been a poor troll, I didn’t even mention that they were cross-dressers! It was just a bit a strong statement that I thought was funny and not to be taken serious…

At #102, I do not hate anyone, I just do not like certain policies and actions.
I never said anything about hating someone, so please to not put those words in my mouth.

I didn’t mean you were the troll; just that they take quotes here and make their own context. Having said that, I’m sure I’ve had my less than memorable posts too. Hang in there and let’s move on.

128 andres  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:36:44pm

re: #82 American-African

I honestly do not worry too much about people like this. His Jack Johnson essay, however, would make a decent screenplay. Someone should produce the film and give McCain screen credit.

Get John Singleton on the line…

I do worry, not the least because it’s my *** that’s on the line. This rhetoric is dangerous because it enables people into “justified” violence against minorities.

129 What, me worry?  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:37:05pm

re: #122 Naso Tang

Well, he can get banned, but the point is, we don’t like giving the trolls anything to feed on, do we?

I didn’t find anything trollish in the statement that he despised the Church because of the pope’s statement. I, too, despise the Church for turning their heads to Arab violence in the Israeli territories and for the times it condemned Israel for defending itself. You would think after the Christians themselves have been terrorized in Nazareth and Bethlehem, the two largest Christian communities in Israel, enough for Christians to practically empty those cities, the Church would be more sympathetic to Israel, but that isn’t the case either.

130 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:54:02pm

re: #129 marjoriemoon

I think I clarified above; the point being that generic statements about “despising” that which a billion or more people claim to belong to won’t test our intellects here (and I’m not Asian).


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