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To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there’s no music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other.
— Jack Handey
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:32:22pm |
I bet boxers have prettier feet than ballerinas.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:35:21pm |
re: #1 MandyManners
I bet boxers have prettier feet than ballerinas.
The noses, though, the noses...
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:35:36pm |
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:36:08pm |
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Summer Seale Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:38:59pm |
Reposting from previous thread for kicks.
Total Humor from Geekologie:
Rugged Phone FAIL. =)
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Kragar Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:39:30pm |
When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear.
- Jack Handy
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freetoken Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:43:51pm |
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freetoken Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:48:24pm |
Since we're on the topic of AGW (heh...), notice that this USA Today news article from this morning:
Report: 2009 was a warm year in USA
... already has 503 comments.
Many of the comments (I have not read all of them, so I can't use the term "most") are just regurgitations of some idiocy that the comment writer has cut and pasted (if not literally, then in their mind) from some denier site.
Without really understanding what the terms, phrases, and ideas really mean.
The advent of the computer and then the web has brought about a increase in the skills of mimicry, but I'm not convinced these tools have brought about any greater increase in scientific literacy, or any other kind of literacy.
Woe is us?
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TampaKnight Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:48:40pm |
FYI- Newsweek has a great piece by Teddy Olson called "The Conservative Case for Gay Marriage".
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freetoken Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:49:24pm |
re: #10 TampaKnight
It's been linked here several times already.
There are few here who want to take up the argument against such an idea.
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TampaKnight Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:50:24pm |
re: #11 freetoken
It's been linked here several times already.
There are few here who want to take up the argument against such an idea.
Sorry for the re-post then....didn't see it.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:52:24pm |
re: #12 TampaKnight
Heh... this is a busy site. However, the search function can be useful if you need to look up a topic.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:55:57pm |
re: #3 MandyManners
My grade school (Military, Catholic) had a regulation ring. Boxing was mandatory for all of us during the school year, voluntary for most during the Summer. Today's generation of liability lawyers have missed the golden age.
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wrenchwench Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:56:24pm |
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LittleBenny Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:57:32pm |
I miss Jack Handey. My fav is "Tadpoles! Tadpoles is a winner!"
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TampaKnight Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:58:19pm |
re: #15 Decatur Deb
My grade school (Military, Catholic) had a regulation ring. Boxing was mandatory for all of us during the school year, voluntary for most during the Summer. Today's generation of liability lawyers have missed the golden age.
My dad is 64 years old and when he was in grade school at a Catholic school, the head Priest headed up a boxing league after school.
You're right, if this happened today there would be legions of lawyers waiting outside.
It's sad what frivolous litigation has done to our society.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:58:20pm |
re: #14 avanti
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 2:59:55pm |
re: #9 freetoken
Since we're on the topic of AGW (heh...), notice that this USA Today news article from this morning:
Report: 2009 was a warm year in USA
... already has 503 comments.
Many of the comments (I have not read all of them, so I can't use the term "most") are just regurgitations of some idiocy that the comment writer has cut and pasted (if not literally, then in their mind) from some denier site.
Without really understanding what the terms, phrases, and ideas really mean.
The advent of the computer and then the web has brought about a increase in the skills of mimicry, but I'm not convinced these tools have brought about any greater increase in scientific literacy, or any other kind of literacy.
Woe is us?
I've always wondered if there are payments going to Mechanical Turkers whenever an AGW article appears. I suspect that was also used in the Luap Nor campaign.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:01:31pm |
re: #18 TampaKnight
snip
It's sad what frivolous litigation has done to our society.
Then again, we played with mercury, chewed roofing tar as ersatz gum, and attended a number of children's funerals.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:03:20pm |
re: #20 Thanos
I've always wondered if there are payments going to Mechanical Turkers whenever an AGW article appears. I suspect that was also used in the Luap Nor campaign.
Yeah, no kidding...
Next example, this from the Meg Whitman story posted in the spin-offs:
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
Only 5 comments so far, and currently on the top of the stack is a cut and paste from that horrid DailyMail article (which was posted here at LGF too.)
It's like someone (at the DailyMail? In Murdoch's office?) is hired to go around and cut and paste the same verbage on every singe news story having to do with AGW.
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researchok Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:03:20pm |
Substitute the word 'politician' for 'boxer' and there are a whole lot uglier analogies that can be made.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:03:49pm |
re: #1 MandyManners
I bet boxers have prettier feet than ballerinas.
you do NOT want to be kicked by a ballerina, nope not ever.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:08:04pm |
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:09:11pm |
re: #22 freetoken
Yeah, no kidding...
Next example, this from the Meg Whitman story posted in the spin-offs:
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
Only 5 comments so far, and currently on the top of the stack is a cut and paste from that horrid DailyMail article (which was posted here at LGF too.)
It's like someone (at the DailyMail? In Murdoch's office?) is hired to go around and cut and paste the same verbage on every singe news story having to do with AGW.
Some here might not know about MechT and other like services so I'm going to link the wiki.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The bottom line is that MT has strayed far from original mission and can be used as cheap insta spam:
Other common HIT types ask Turkers to write or rewrite sentences, paragraphs, or whole articles. These have rewards ranging from one cent to about $10. HITs which reward people for linking to or commenting on a blog, or friending a person on Facebook are also often encountered, as are surveys.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:11:28pm |
re: #26 Thanos
Oh, good! I was wondering what Mechanical Turkers were!
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Firstinla Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:11:41pm |
re: #18 TampaKnight
I was educated in a Catholic military academy back in the Fifties. Boxing was part of a very demanding physical education program. When I mentioned this to my nephews they just gave me their most polite, patronizing look and rolled their eyes. Physical education for these youngsters is limited to practicing Wii games and developing finger-thumb dexterity on their Playstations.
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darthstar Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:12:42pm |
Wow...I didn't realize the damage from Saturday's earthquake was this bad.
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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:13:58pm |
re: #28 Firstinla
I was educated in a Catholic military academy back in the Fifties. Boxing was part of a very demanding physical education program. When I mentioned this to my nephews they just gave me their most polite, patronizing look and rolled their eyes. Physical education for these youngsters is limited to practicing Wii games and developing finger-thumb dexterity on their Playstations.
They probably think Punch-Out!! for Wii is pretty much the same thing.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:14:09pm |
re: #25 Slumbering Behemoth
Bill & Ted for the win.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:14:13pm |
re: #28 Firstinla
Some school districts are severely cutting recess, then wonder why boys go squirrely.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:14:18pm |
re: #26 Thanos
Most of the HITs are only worth pennies... which makes me wonder if the "workers" realize they are giving away their labor for free?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:14:22pm |
re: #3 MandyManners
And, the ears...
And her carries the reminders
Of every glove that laid him down
Or cut him 'till he cried out
In his anger and his shame...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:15:12pm |
re: #29 darthstar
Wow...I didn't realize the damage from Saturday's earthquake was this bad.
The broken bongs!
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Jolo5309 Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:15:25pm |
re: #21 Decatur Deb
I was fortunate, only one child (well he was 15) I was growing up with died, and that was a farming accident, when the front end loader he was driving rolled on him.
We played street hockey till dark, baseball until bedtime and sometimes disappeared for hours on end on our bikes. I think we have taken the spirit of exploration from our kids due to fear and sensationalistic media.
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Firstinla Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:16:24pm |
bbl...going to try to assemble a new desk and, hopefully, not do a lot of damage to my body.
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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:16:27pm |
re: #32 Decatur Deb
Some school districts are severely cutting recess, then wonder why boys go squirrely.
Illinois is one of the few, possibly only, states that require P.E. by law. A lot of my fellow classmates complained about it, but those who did often looked like they could use a little exercise.
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deeezle Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:17:32pm |
Anyone paying attention to the Mass Special Election for Kennedy's former seat?
Tea partiers are swarming, trying to repeat Ny-23 (well, except that they lost there). Scott Brown might raise a lot more money if he moves further to the right. However, the further right he goes, he further damages his chances to win.
Oh, and the independent candidate in the race is named Joseph Kennedy (no relation to the famous family). You can't make this stuff up.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:17:52pm |
re: #30 Soap_Man
They probably think Punch-Out!! for Wii is pretty much the same thing.
I get a kick out out people who take an aerobics class & then say they are into kick-boxing...
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:19:18pm |
re: #36 Jolo5309
snip
I think we have taken the spirit of exploration from our kids due to fear and sensationalistic media.
24hr news effect. We were aware if a kid was harmed in our town. Now everyone hears nine times, if a kid is hurt in Barstow, CA.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:19:48pm |
Take for example this HIT (one of the better paying ones):
Requester: Midwest Internet
HIT Expiration Date: Jan 12, 2010 (23 hours 14 minutes)
Time Allotted: 60 minutes
Reward: $0.39
HITs Available: 509
Description: Visit a provided URL and summarize the contents of the page using 75 words or more. Nice payout for a simple writing task - I am looking for workers with solid writing skills. Please keep it short and useful!
If someone did indeed take 60 minutes to complete that task then they are working for around 5% of minimum wage! If you can complete the task in under 3 minutes then you can beat minimum wage.
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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:20:36pm |
re: #41 brookly red
I get a kick out out people who take an aerobics class & then say they are into kick-boxing...
At the Y I go to, they list that aerobics class as "kickboxing." If you are not kicking another person, or at least a dummy, it's not kickboxing.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:20:41pm |
re: #33 freetoken
Most of the HITs are only worth pennies... which makes me wonder if the "workers" realize they are giving away their labor for free?
Most of them realize it, some are near addicted. A lot of Turkers are undergrads. There's a Berkman lecture that's very interesting about this and other aspects of the various online piece work and crowd sourcing schemes. Some are very cool and good, others are downright f'ing scary. E.G. there are games you can play online and you are really doing work but getting paid nothing, and you don't even know it. There are also means to massively array this and identify protesters in Iran... or anywhere.
Long - but worth your while - Jonathan Zittrain - Minds for Sale
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:21:36pm |
re: #45 Soap_Man
At the Y I go to, they list that aerobics class as "kickboxing." If you are not kicking another person, or at least a dummy, it's not kickboxing.
if you have all your teeth it's not kick-boxing...
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TampaKnight Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:21:45pm |
re: #40 deeezle
Anyone paying attention to the Mass Special Election for Kennedy's former seat?
Tea partiers are swarming, trying to repeat Ny-23 (well, except that they lost there). Scott Brown might raise a lot more money if he moves further to the right. However, the further right he goes, he further damages his chances to win.
Oh, and the independent candidate in the race is named Joseph Kennedy (no relation to the famous family). You can't make this stuff up.
He's running in Massachusetts....he KNOWS he can't go very far right. And I don't think he is.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:22:49pm |
re: #40 deeezle
Anyone paying attention to the Mass Special Election for Kennedy's former seat?
Tea partiers are swarming, trying to repeat Ny-23 (well, except that they lost there). Scott Brown might raise a lot more money if he moves further to the right. However, the further right he goes, he further damages his chances to win.
Oh, and the independent candidate in the race is named Joseph Kennedy (no relation to the famous family). You can't make this stuff up.
Last I heard, Brown had managed to narrow the spread to near-even with Coakley, the Democratic candidate. Until the Tea Partiers showed up. Once Malkin released her shit-flinging monkeys, Coakley jumped to a 15 point lead.
That news, however, is a few days old.
But right now, you're correct that the TPers seem poised to repeat their actions, and the outcome, of NY23 by turning victory into defeat.
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TampaKnight Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:23:48pm |
re: #49 SixDegrees
Last I heard, Brown had managed to narrow the spread to near-even with Coakley, the Democratic candidate. Until the Tea Partiers showed up. Once Malkin released her shit-flinging monkeys, Coakley jumped to a 15 point lead.
That news, however, is a few days old.
But right now, you're correct that the TPers seem poised to repeat their actions, and the outcome, of NY23 by turning victory into defeat.
The +15 and even number is under dispute, since those numbers came out on the same day. 2 different polling agencies.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:24:14pm |
re: #43 freetoken
Take for example this HIT (one of the better paying ones):
If someone did indeed take 60 minutes to complete that task then they are working for around 5% of minimum wage! If you can complete the task in under 3 minutes then you can beat minimum wage.
They only pay me three cents a comment, here. Two cents for puns.
//one cent for sarc
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Ojoe Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:25:07pm |
re: #1 MandyManners
I bet boxers have prettier feet than ballerinas.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:25:27pm |
re: #51 Decatur Deb
They only pay me three cents a comment, here. Two cents for puns.
//one cent for sarc
if there was a snark market I would be sitting pretty...
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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:25:44pm |
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deeezle Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:25:50pm |
re: #50 TampaKnight
Dems releasing internal polling and sending resources up there. Not a sign of extreme confidence. Its closer than it should be.
I don't know what to think about Scott Brown - he supported Cap N Trade and health care reform. He was on Hannity last week, transcript here [Link: www.foxnews.com...]
He isn't going to win, but its an interesting election.
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Jolo5309 Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:26:24pm |
re: #42 Decatur Deb
Oh I know, and there are children that get hurt or kidnapped, but it definitely is not as common as the media wants us to think.
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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:26:51pm |
re: #55 deeezle
Dems releasing internal polling and sending resources up there. Not a sign of extreme confidence. Its closer than it should be.
I don't know what to think about Scott Brown - he supported Cap N Trade and health care reform. He was on Hannity last week, transcript here [Link: www.foxnews.com...]
He isn't going to win, but its an interesting election.
He supports HRC? I keep hearing all this stuff from the GOP about how he is the 41st vote to kill the bill.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:27:57pm |
re: #51 Decatur Deb
They only pay me three cents a comment, here. Two cents for puns.
//one cent for sarc
Charles PAYS you? I bet he gets more every time you click on an Amazon link. /
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:28:10pm |
re: #55 deeezle
Dems releasing internal polling and sending resources up there. Not a sign of extreme confidence. Its closer than it should be.
I don't know what to think about Scott Brown - he supported Cap N Trade and health care reform. He was on Hannity last week, transcript here [Link: www.foxnews.com...]
He isn't going to win, but its an interesting election.
lots of out of state $$ coming in on both sides... I am looking at it as a proxy war.
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TampaKnight Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:28:49pm |
re: #55 deeezle
Dems releasing internal polling and sending resources up there. Not a sign of extreme confidence. Its closer than it should be.
I don't know what to think about Scott Brown - he supported Cap N Trade and health care reform. He was on Hannity last week, transcript here [Link: www.foxnews.com...]
He isn't going to win, but its an interesting election.
He did? This is from his website:
"I oppose a national cap and trade program because of the higher costs that families and businesses would incur."
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:30:00pm |
re: #56 Jolo5309
Oh I know, and there are children that get hurt or kidnapped, but it definitely is not as common as the media wants us to think.
I don't think they care what we think, it's just a market side-effect. But it does erode the confidence we had in each other. (So does ten hours a week of Lawn Order, though I like the show.)
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:31:36pm |
re: #57 Soap_Man
He supports HRC? I keep hearing all this stuff from the GOP about how he is the 41st vote to kill the bill.
I don't see how. That bill will be finalized before the SOTU, and it's unlikely the winner will be seated by then. The Democrats, in fact, have already announced their intention to delay final certification of the election results until after the health care bill is signed, presumably only if their vote is in question.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:31:40pm |
re: #61 TampaKnight
He did? This is from his website:
"I oppose a national cap and trade program because of the higher costs that families and businesses would incur."
Regardless of one's stance on the issue; it it kind of perversely satisfying to see a political stance that is so puritanically pure, as in ; "I oppose anything that costs money".
/
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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:31:50pm |
re: #61 TampaKnight
He did? This is from his website:
"I oppose a national cap and trade program because of the higher costs that families and businesses would incur."
That doesn't mean he didn't support it before. Mark Kirk (R-Ill) voted for it, but now that he is running for the Senate, he thinks it is a terrible idea.
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deeezle Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:31:51pm |
re: #61 TampaKnight
Sorry, should've been more precise. He doesn't support whats in the Senate. His position as a state senator in MA has been different.
Ill look for a source to back that up.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:31:54pm |
re: #43 freetoken
Most people do not think of it this way but when you rate a video at youtube, you are actually doing work for Google for free.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:32:17pm |
re: #58 Naso Tang
Charles PAYS you? I bet he gets more every time you click on an Amazon link. /
Not Charles, Soros. It's too hard to exchange NIS in Lower Alabama.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:34:41pm |
re: #68 Decatur Deb
Not Charles, Soros. It's too hard to exchange NIS in Lower Alabama.
I'm sure I'll regret this but; huh?
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:35:23pm |
re: #62 Decatur Deb
I don't think they care what we think, it's just a market side-effect. But it does erode the confidence we had in each other. (So does ten hours a week of Lawn Order, though I like the show.)
I think there is more weird crimes and although everyone thinks I'm nuts I think it has to do with all the crap that's in our water and food. I saw a show years ago about a small country (Puerto Rico I think) where the little girls were maturing very young, like about 8 yrs old. It turned out it was caused by the hormones that they fed the chickens to make them grow faster.
Our water if full of medications, hormones and God knows what else. How could it not effect us? And who knows what they are feeding livestock these days.
IMO we should have zero tolerance for dirty water, but how are we to know?
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:38:17pm |
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:38:56pm |
re: #70 Kewalo
I think there is more weird crimes and although everyone thinks I'm nuts I think it has to do with all the crap that's in our water and food. I saw a show years ago about a small country (Puerto Rico I think) where the little girls were maturing very young, like about 8 yrs old. It turned out it was caused by the hormones that they fed the chickens to make them grow faster.
Our water if full of medications, hormones and God knows what else. How could it not effect us? And who knows what they are feeding livestock these days.
IMO we should have zero tolerance for dirty water, but how are we to know?
I don't know about the water but the growth hormones in beef are having some unintended effects.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:40:07pm |
re: #70 Kewalo
You're nuts, but not that nuts.
A) The crap in the water and food definitely affects us, but
B) There is no reason to think that there really are more weird crimes these days than in the past, or in places without that crap in the food and the water.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:40:35pm |
re: #72 Naso Tang
It's playing pretty far inside the Zionist check shtick.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:43:09pm |
re: #74 Obdicut
B) There is no reason to think that there really are more weird crimes these days than in the past, or in places without that crap in the food and the water.
We just don't have good baseline stats for days of yore. If Billy the Kid really got 21 men before he made drinking age, he's a good poster boy for "serial killer"..
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EB71 Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:43:53pm |
re: #63 SixDegrees
That would be quite something, even in light of the steps taken in Mass. to even seat an interim Sen. after Sen. Kennedy's demise. If Brown were to win the 1/19 special election, withholding certification would be rather rough, even by the standards of politics. It would be worse than if former Sen. Coleman in MN and the Republican Party had continued challenging the election results after the MN Supreme Court in order to prevent the seating of Sen. Franken, the 60th vote. Except the Republicans didn't do that.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:44:05pm |
Tea Party protest against American businesses.....
Tea Party at North American Auto Show January 11
Yes those are LaRouche supporters who seem to be quite welcome at the event.....
LaRoush supporters show up at Detroit tea party protest 1-11-2010
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:44:12pm |
Ted Olson's opening statement:
This case is about marriage and equality. Plaintiffs are being denied both the right to marry, and the right to equality under the law.
The Supreme Court of the United States has repeatedly described the right to marriage as “one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men;” a “basic civil right;” a component of the constitutional rights to liberty, privacy, association, and intimate choice; an expression of emotional support and public commitment; the exercise of spiritual unity; and a fulfillment of one’s self.
In short, in the words of the highest court in the land, marriage is “the most important relation in life,” and “of fundamental importance for all individuals.”
As the witnesses in this case will elaborate, marriage is central to life in America. It promotes mental, physical and emotional health and the economic strength and stability of those who enter into a marital union. It is the building block of family, neighborhood and community. The California Supreme Court has declared that the right to marry is of “central importance to an individual’s opportunity to live a happy, meaningful, and satisfying life as a full member of society.”
Proposition 8 ended the dream of marriage, the most important relation in life, for the plaintiffs and hundreds of thousands of Californians.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:46:25pm |
re: #76 Decatur Deb
The number of European royals who would have qualified for serial killers is pretty damn high, too. This is a nifty book on that subject, though it tends to focus more on the political killing than the "I feel like killing me some peasants" killing. [Link: www.amazon.com...]
Not to mention the ghoulish spectacle of public messy executions, which gave everyone a vicarious kill-thrill.
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Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:46:45pm |
re: #78 Killgore Trout
Tea Party protest against American businesses...
Tea Party at North American Auto Show January 11[Video]
Tea Dweeb Party /
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:47:51pm |
re: #80 Obdicut
The number of European royals who would have qualified for serial killers is pretty damn high, too. This is a nifty book on that subject, though it tends to focus more on the political killing than the "I feel like killing me some peasants" killing. [Link: www.amazon.com...]
Not to mention the ghoulish spectacle of public messy executions, which gave everyone a vicarious kill-thrill.
Let's go serfing now, everybody serfing now...
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:47:52pm |
re: #74 Obdicut
You're nuts, but not that nuts.
A) The crap in the water and food definitely affects us, but
B) There is no reason to think that there really are more weird crimes these days than in the past, or in places without that crap in the food and the water.
HAHAHAHA!!! I had to give you an upding for making me laugh.
I do think there are more sexual crimes then before. And while I know a lot of people think it's due to society I think it's the other way around and has more to do with our bodies reacting to substances in our food and water.
I also think that we may find out that is also causing the hike in autism.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:47:53pm |
re: #80 Obdicut
The number of European royals who would have qualified for serial killers is pretty damn high, too. This is a nifty book on that subject, though it tends to focus more on the political killing than the "I feel like killing me some peasants" killing. [Link: www.amazon.com...]
Not to mention the ghoulish spectacle of public messy executions, which gave everyone a vicarious kill-thrill.
well the non-royal leaders do have a pretty big body count too...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:48:49pm |
Hey Evening Lizards!
How has the day been?
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:49:40pm |
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:51:08pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:51:25pm |
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Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:53:39pm |
re: #83 Kewalo
HAHAHAHA!!! I had to give you an upding for making me laugh.
I do think there are more sexual crimes then before. And while I know a lot of people think it's due to society I think it's the other way around and has more to do with our bodies reacting to substances in our food and water.
I also think that we may find out that is also causing the hike in autism.
You think an increase in sexual crimes has "to do with our bodies reacting to substances in our food and water?"
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:54:03pm |
re: #83 Kewalo
But why do you feel there are more sexual crimes than in the past? Is it just your gut telling you that, or do you have actual data
The changing attitudes towards women alone would make me think the exact opposite, or rather, would make me think we classify a lot more things as crimes now, but those very same things happened in the past with great, great frequency.
re: #84 brookly red
True, but I meat ye olde days, where most of the leaders were, to one extent or another 'royal'.
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deeezle Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:54:23pm |
re: #74 Obdicut
There are also Environmental estrogens which affect kids quite a bit, particularly at puberty.
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John Neverbend Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:54:43pm |
re: #89 Gus 802
You think an increase in sexual crimes has "to do with our bodies reacting to substances in our food and water?"
General Ripper was right. Damn.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:54:47pm |
re: #83 Kewalo
I think you are guessing and don't know what the hell you are talking about. Many forms of Autism are through genetic causes. If you think you know what causes autism, why don't you submit a paper to a peer reviewed journal?
Here are quite a few lectures that detail our current understandings about the various types.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:54:53pm |
re: #89 Gus 802
You think an increase in sexual crimes has "to do with our bodies reacting to substances in our food and water?"
/they effect our precious bodily fluids you know...
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Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:55:22pm |
re: #92 John Neverbend
General Ripper was right. Damn.
You'll have to answer to the Coca Cola company!
/
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:56:03pm |
re: #91 deeezle
There are also Environmental estrogens which affect kids quite a bit, particularly at puberty.
Got a link to a scientific paper demonstrating such a link?
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:56:38pm |
re: #85 ggt
Hey Evening Lizards!
How has the day been?
Improving. Up to 25 degrees today (always talk of the weather when nothing better comes to mind).
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:56:48pm |
re: #70 Kewalo
I think there is more weird crimes and although everyone thinks I'm nuts I think it has to do with all the crap that's in our water and food. I saw a show years ago about a small country (Puerto Rico I think) where the little girls were maturing very young, like about 8 yrs old. It turned out it was caused by the hormones that they fed the chickens to make them grow faster.
Our water if full of medications, hormones and God knows what else. How could it not effect us? And who knows what they are feeding livestock these days.
IMO we should have zero tolerance for dirty water, but how are we to know?
It's Plastics!
/
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John Neverbend Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:57:08pm |
I just saw Ed Koch being interviewed by Cavuto. He was his usual ebullient self and was calling for profiling of aircraft passengers.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:57:58pm |
re: #90 Obdicut
But why do you feel there are more sexual crimes than in the past? Is it just your gut telling you that, or do you have actual data
The changing attitudes towards women alone would make me think the exact opposite, or rather, would make me think we classify a lot more things as crimes now, but those very same things happened in the past with great, great frequency.
well that's Europe, now if we look at other places in the world, same old story.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:58:04pm |
re: #99 John Neverbend
I just saw Ed Koch being interviewed by Cavuto. He was his usual ebullient self and was calling for profiling of aircraft passengers.
What do you have against profiling, or was that a supportive comment? /
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What, me worry? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:58:19pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
Here's more: NAIAS 2010 Protesters
[Video]
Including a lovely sign "Obama is a cracker."
Lord have mercy. What the heck is around Obama's body? An elephant?
Mad As Hell guy and Sunglasses Auto guy were kinda cute.
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abolitionist Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:58:50pm |
re: #99 John Neverbend
Is that the one where he mentions the Fort Hood shooting in Alabama? (I know, Texas.)
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:59:44pm |
re: #104 abolitionist
Is that the one where he mentions the Fort Hood shooting in Alabama? (I know, Texas.)
/Hey, it's still one of the 57 states...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 11, 2010 3:59:56pm |
re: #103 marjoriemoon
Lord have mercy. What the heck is around Obama's body? An elephant?
Mad As Hell guy and Sunglasses Auto guy were kinda cute.
He appears to be painted as a parrot. Hence the cracker stmt? Who the hell knows what these people think.!!
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Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:00:34pm |
re: #101 Kewalo
Not entirely...but yes.
Forcible rape rates are on a downward trend. It peaked at 42.3 in 1991. 2007 show a rate of 30.0. Don't see a "hockey stick" here.
[Link: bjsdata.ojp.usdoj.gov...]
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:00:54pm |
re: #100 brookly red
I'm sorry, I'm not understanding what you mean. What do you mean by 'in the rest of the world, same old story'?
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What, me worry? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:02:05pm |
re: #106 Stanley Sea
He appears to be painted as a parrot. Hence the cracker stmt? Who the hell knows what these people think.!!
Ohh! I was trying to find out how to fit the cracker with the elephant and I couldn't get it lol
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:02:26pm |
re: #108 Obdicut
I'm sorry, I'm not understanding what you mean. What do you mean by 'in the rest of the world, same old story'?
in places like Africa & certain Middle Eastern countries there has not been much social progress.
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:02:42pm |
Has Harry Reid given up his majority leader position yet?
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:03:06pm |
re: #83 Kewalo
HAHAHAHA!!! I had to give you an upding for making me laugh.
I do think there are more sexual crimes then before. And while I know a lot of people think it's due to society I think it's the other way around and has more to do with our bodies reacting to substances in our food and water.
I also think that we may find out that is also causing the hike in autism.
You are absolutely incorrect. FBI uniform statistics on crimes of all nature, if you look as sex crimes you will notice that they've been trending steadily downwards across all types. Some speculators state that might be an effect of internet porn becoming more available.
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John Neverbend Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:03:17pm |
re: #102 Naso Tang
What do you have against profiling, or was that a supportive comment? /
It was supportive, but he's ebullient.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:03:43pm |
re: #103 marjoriemoon
I think that's supposed to be Obama's head on a vulture's body.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:03:46pm |
re: #83 Kewalo
HAHAHAHA!!! I had to give you an upding for making me laugh.
I do think there are more sexual crimes then before. And while I know a lot of people think it's due to society I think it's the other way around and has more to do with our bodies reacting to substances in our food and water.
I also think that we may find out that is also causing the hike in autism.
What we do have is a 24/7 news cycle and access to events as they occur through the internet and news media. That might tend to make it appear there are more sexual crimes, when there really aren't. "Something in the water" is just a strange, strange idea.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:04:08pm |
re: #111 Taqyia2Me
Has Harry Reid given up his majority leader position yet?
Don't hold your breath.
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John Neverbend Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:04:10pm |
re: #104 abolitionist
Is that the one where he mentions the Fort Hood shooting in Alabama? (I know, Texas.)
I only saw the last 2 minutes, and he didn't mention Fort Hood.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:04:29pm |
re: #115 reine.de.tout
What we do have is a 24/7 news cycle and access to events as they occur through the internet and news media. That might tend to make it appear there are more sexual crimes, when there really aren't. "Something in the water" is just a strange, strange idea.
/Minnesota?
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What, me worry? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:05:06pm |
re: #114 Killgore Trout
I think that's supposed to be Obama's head on a vulture's body.
Vulture! Ok. I just realized I could click on it. Still, it looks bizarre.
Of course the Hitler mustache is always a nice touch :(
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:05:40pm |
re: #115 reine.de.tout
Sounds like a JBS idea.
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John Neverbend Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:05:47pm |
re: #96 SixDegrees
Got a link to a scientific paper demonstrating such a link?
I'm not sure if this quite fits the bill, but:
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:05:56pm |
re: #116 Killgore Trout
Don't hold your breath.
I won't but it actually be better for the dems should he resign his actual senate seat at this point.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:07:20pm |
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:07:40pm |
re: #90 Obdicut
But why do you feel there are more sexual crimes than in the past? Is it just your gut telling you that, or do you have actual data
The changing attitudes towards women alone would make me think the exact opposite, or rather, would make me think we classify a lot more things as crimes now, but those very same things happened in the past with great, great frequency.
I wish I could say it was more then just a gut feeling but it isn't. But I'm old and I've been paying attention. I'm not saying that hormones in the water cause all sex crimes but it can't be helping our children to get doses of hormones while they are maturing.
[Link: www.bu.edu...]
And I think some of the things we have done with sex crime laws are ridiculous and go too far.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:07:47pm |
re: #122 Taqyia2Me
I won't but it actually be better for the dems should he resign his actual senate seat at this point.
not as long as the health care bill still lives...
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:08:14pm |
re: #125 brookly red
not as long as the health care bill still lives...
Pride comes before the fall and all....
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:08:44pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
Here's more: NAIAS 2010 Protesters
[Video]
Including a lovely sign "Obama is a cracker."
Oh, fer cryin' out loud
Why don't those people STFU and disappear, already!
Do they realize how stupid they look?
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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:09:01pm |
re: #115 reine.de.tout
What we do have is a 24/7 news cycle and access to events as they occur through the internet and news media. That might tend to make it appear there are more sexual crimes, when there really aren't. "Something in the water" is just a strange, strange idea.
Yeah, the "Mean World Syndrome." There are actually some interesting studies about how the more a person watches television, the more they elevate crime statistics. The less a person watches television or follows broadcast news, the more accurate their view of how much crime there is in society.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:09:27pm |
re: #83 Kewalo
HAHAHAHA!!! I had to give you an upding for making me laugh.
I do think there are more sexual crimes then before. And while I know a lot of people think it's due to society I think it's the other way around and has more to do with our bodies reacting to substances in our food and water.
I also think that we may find out that is also causing the hike in autism.
I think there are just as many as before, they are just being reported now. There are more social mechanisms to deal with them.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:09:29pm |
re: #126 Taqyia2Me
Pride comes before the fall and all...
I don't see many proud about this... in fact there seems to be a bit of shame going around.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:10:02pm |
re: #121 John Neverbend
I'm not sure if this quite fits the bill, but:
I saw that report last week. It's conclusions have already been challenged.
The most likely explanation for increase in reported cases is simply a changing diagnostic profile.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:10:07pm |
re: #128 Soap_Man
Yeah, the "Mean World Syndrome." There are actually some interesting studies about how the more a person watches television, the more they elevate crime statistics. The less a person watches television or follows broadcast news, the more accurate their view of how much crime there is in society.
My own personal self-study experience is that if I watch too much news, I am more fearful when I go out.
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Taqyia2Me Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:10:16pm |
re: #130 brookly red
I don't see many proud about this... in fact there seems to be a bit of shame going around.
The dems are too proud to do the right thing here and shitcan him.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:11:22pm |
re: #124 Kewalo
I wish I could say it was more then just a gut feeling but it isn't. But I'm old and I've been paying attention. I'm not saying that hormones in the water cause all sex crimes but it can't be helping our children to get doses of hormones while they are maturing.
[Link: www.bu.edu...]
And I think some of the things we have done with sex crime laws are ridiculous and go too far.
All that's needed now is actual evidence for such a link.
FWIW, there doesn't seem to be any that's actually credible.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:11:24pm |
re: #121 John Neverbend
I'm not sure if this quite fits the bill, but:
I linked about 20 lectures above at UC Davis, where the speculation is coming from. The first in the series might actually be the one speculating on environmental factors. The one that covers current *accepted* knowledge best is titled "Where are we with the Autisms?"
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
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What, me worry? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:11:32pm |
re: #121 John Neverbend
I'm not sure if this quite fits the bill, but:
Interesting. At least they aren't blaming vaccines.
Many parent groups believe that childhood vaccines are responsible because they contained thimerosal, a mercury compound used as a preservative. But thimerosal was removed from most vaccines in 1999, and autism rates are still rising.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:11:58pm |
re: #130 brookly red
I don't see many proud about this... in fact there seems to be a bit of shame going around.
We Dems do gaffe shame well, from sheer practice. Might make it a convention event.
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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:11:58pm |
re: #133 Taqyia2Me
The dems are too proud to do the right thing here and shitcan him.
Well, he's the fourth most powerful person in the party, third if you don't count Biden (which I don't.) Not an easy person to get rid of.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:12:34pm |
re: #127 reine.de.tout
Oh, fer cryin' out loud
Why don't those people STFU and disappear, already!
Do they realize how stupid they look?
No, they don't. Instapundit and Dan Riehl are both linking to those videos without any condemnation of the LaRouche supporters and the Tea Partiers on the scene don't seem too bothered by them either.
I wasn't a big fan of the auto bailouts either but it's in really poor taste to show up and protest against American businesses who are creating American jobs and this point. It just looks bad.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:12:55pm |
re: #124 Kewalo
I'm mainly taking issue with the idea that there are more sex crimes now than in the past. I don't think that's true, for the reasons I've already said: many things that are now crimes used to be perfectly legal. And, as has already been demonstrated, date rape is in decline.
I think that you can make perfectly good claims on health alone that hormones in the water aren't a good idea, without making claims that there is no direct substantiation for him.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:13:07pm |
re: #133 Taqyia2Me
The dems are too proud to do the right thing here and shitcan him.
nothing to do with pride. If they were proud of what they were trying to do they would do it out in the open and "ahem" be proud of it.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:13:52pm |
re: #93 Thanos
I think you are guessing and don't know what the hell you are talking about. Many forms of Autism are through genetic causes. If you think you know what causes autism, why don't you submit a paper to a peer reviewed journal?
Here are quite a few lectures that detail our current understandings about the various types.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Sure I'm guessing and so is everyone else.
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William of Orange Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:14:02pm |
Some terribly sad niews from the Netherlands. Just an hour ago it was announced that the last surviving member of the Group that helped the Frank family in WWII , Miep Gies, has died at the grand old age of 100.
When the family were found by the authorities, they were deported, and Anne died of typhus in the German concentration camp of Bergen-Belsen.
It was Mrs Gies who collected up Anne's papers and locked them away, hoping that one day she would be able to give them back to the girl.
In the event, she returned them to Otto Frank, who survived the war, and helped him compile them into a diary that was published in 1947.
It went on to sell tens of millions of copies in dozens of languages.
Mrs Gies became a kind of ambassador for the diary, travelling to talk about Anne Frank and her experiences, campaigning against Holocaust denial and refuting allegations that the diary was a forgery.
For her efforts to protect the Franks and to preserve their memory, Mrs Gies won many accolades.
She's done so much for the world. Anne wrote it, Miep was it's spiritual mother.
Rest in peace. :(
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:15:29pm |
re: #124 Kewalo
Your writer is a student, have a link to scientific study?
Her fascination with all things gross, weird, and mysterious led her to believe that she wanted a Ph.D. in biomedical engineering. But she was wrong.
Today, Leah writes about medicine, biology, and the environment.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:16:06pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
Here's more: NAIAS 2010 Protesters
[Video]
Including a lovely sign "Obama is a cracker."
Imagine my surprise when I clicked on that picture and saw not one, but two Obama as Hitler signs right next to that one. Shocka!
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:16:28pm |
re: #142 Kewalo
Sure I'm guessing and so is everyone else.
I'd prefer to trust medical issues to medical researchers, rather than people with no knowledge of medicine or epidemiology or disease who are just guessing.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:16:48pm |
re: #140 Obdicut
I'm mainly taking issue with the idea that there are more sex crimes now than in the past. I don't think that's true, for the reasons I've already said: many things that are now crimes used to be perfectly legal. And, as has already been demonstrated, date rape is in decline.
I think that you can make perfectly good claims on health alone that hormones in the water aren't a good idea, without making claims that there is no direct substantiation for him.
Social perceptions have changed -- (and, yes, I think Oprah had something to do with some of it). Child molestation wasn't even on the radar 30 years ago. A man couldn't rape his own wife, legally --what? 40 years ago.
I have a hard time with statistics that don't take long range data into account. This topic can't be analized in 10 year increments with only one set of glasses --every school of the university from biological sciences to anthropology has information to contribute.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:16:55pm |
re: #140 Obdicut
I think that you can make perfectly good claims on health alone that hormones in the water aren't a good idea, without making claims that there is no direct substantiation for
him.
Yes, I meant to end with a preposition.
re: #142 Kewalo
Others are actually doing research in the subject, careful, methodical, and driving our understanding of the field forwards. So no, not everyone is just guessing. Some are working on the problem.
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Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:17:00pm |
re: #121 John Neverbend
I'm not sure if this quite fits the bill, but:
I believe that article might reflect a bias on the part of the author Marla Cone. This article present a different interpretation of the study:
Local Environment Not Cause of Autism 'Clusters'
California Autism Clusters Linked to Parent Education, Not Local Toxins
Jan. 5, 2010 - If some pollutant triggers autism, it's widespread and not confined to specific geographic areas, finds a study of California autism clusters.
"People seeking the cause of autism have been looking for a smoking gun, but it will be more like dispersed land mines," Irva Hertz-Picciotto, PhD, MPH, tells WebMD.
...
But as it turned out, there was indeed a factor that very likely explained the clusters. Most of the clusters were in areas where women tend to have high educational attainment. Autism cases in all of the clusters were more likely to be reported from families with highly educated mothers, Hertz-Picciotto says."I don't think people living in these areas need to be concerned about where their homes are. Thinking about moving away from these areas would be wholly inappropriate," she says.
...
"Our study tells us probably the environmental causes of autism are not going to be found in local contamination, at least in California," Hertz-Picciotto says. "Whatever the environmental contributors are, they are probably more widespread and not linked to a hazardous local factor."The study also suggests that there are a lot more kids with autism -- in California, at least -- who are not getting the services they need. In Denmark, where all kids are screened for autism, parental education doesn't raise autism risk. But it is in the U.S. and the U.K., where access to screening is not universal.
"This calls for some thinking about what we can do to increase autism awareness in the general population and bring services to these families, so that parents with education and means are not the only ones able to address the health of their children in the best possible way," Shih says.
Thus far this looks rather inconclusive.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:17:33pm |
If I was an Afro-American I think I would resent a politician's tendency to throw in some ebonics when addressing Afro-American audiences.
To me that seems condescending and racist.
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John Neverbend Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:17:36pm |
re: #131 SixDegrees
I saw that report last week. It's conclusions have already been challenged.
I just read the paper, and I'm not sure that its conclusions were markedly different from the current belief (not the only belief) that the cause is a mix of genetics and environment. I couldn't find any rebuttal on line. Who has challenged the paper?
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:18:17pm |
re: #146 SixDegrees
I'd prefer to trust medical issues to medical researchers, rather than people with no knowledge of medicine or epidemiology or disease who are just guessing.
I took it as a figure of speech.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:19:01pm |
re: #151 John Neverbend
See #149 for the more widespread interpretation.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:19:20pm |
re: #142 Kewalo
Yes, but when the scientists guess they use actual real facts, and they test their guesses against reality. You just throw shit out there and some of it is demonstrably out of synchronicity with reality. See the FBI crime stats link I posted above.
| 155 |
John Neverbend Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:20:33pm |
re: #153 SixDegrees
See #149 for the more widespread interpretation.
Yes, I read that article as well.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:20:39pm |
re: #154 Thanos
Yes, but when the scientists guess they use actual real facts, and they test their guesses against reality. You just throw shit out there and some of it is demonstrably out of synchronicity with reality. See the FBI crime stats link I posted above.
Where there is violence, there are guns; therefore guns cause violence.
correlation does not indicate causation
;)
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:20:53pm |
re: #115 reine.de.tout
What we do have is a 24/7 news cycle and access to events as they occur through the internet and news media. That might tend to make it appear there are more sexual crimes, when there really aren't. "Something in the water" is just a strange, strange idea.
Really not so strange.
[Link: www.naturalnews.com...]
We know that the meat industry adds hormones to animals to make them grow faster...right? Why should we just believe that our systems won't react in some way?
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John Neverbend Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:21:24pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:22:09pm |
Few show up for protest at Detroit auto show
Charlie Gennara thought there would be a sizable showing for a planned "tea party" protest outside the annual international auto show in Detroit on Monday.
For the first 45 minutes, though, it was just him and one other person voicing their displeasure with the billions in aid spent by the government on General Motors, Chrysler and auto lender GMAC Financial Services.
"I didn't expect this," said Gennara, a 58-year-old retired carpenter from Northville, Mich. "Most of the tea parties I've been to I've seen 300 or a couple hundred at least."
....
Joan Fabiano, who organizes tea parties as part of a group called Grassroots in Michigan, e-mailed supporters asking them not to show up Monday, saying such action could hurt business in the state."I'd like to think I had something to do with that," Fabiano said of the low turnout Monday.
Fabiano, of Holt, Mich., worked at GM for 30 years and believes protesting at the auto show sends the wrong message.
"I think it was ill-conceived," she said. "It only hurts fellow Michiganders and Michigan commerce. Businesses are already hurting."
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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:22:13pm |
re: #157 Kewalo
Really not so strange.
[Link: www.naturalnews.com...]
We know that the meat industry adds hormones to animals to make them grow faster...right? Why should we just believe that our systems won't react in some way?
Maybe it explains why my 14-year-old nephew is six inches taller than I am.
(Half kidding)
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:22:21pm |
re: #121 John Neverbend
I'm not sure if this quite fits the bill, but:
Thank you, I hadn't seen that article.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:22:27pm |
Over at DeSmog blog, there is concern that the new Russian owner of the (usually progressive) UK paper The Independent is going to appoint a rather controversial new editor in charge of the paper,Mr. Rod Liddle.
Besides the AGW-denialism (obviously the concern for DeSmog blog), Liddle tends to go places that... how shall we put it, RSM would find comfortable.
From the Charlotte Gore blog:
Right, being the one-man think tank that he is, Rod Liddle has decided to troll the internet with a nasty piece of insinuation about the ‘human filth’ that is young afro-Caribbean men living in London.
Behold and tremble as Brain-trust speaks:The overwhelming majority of street crime, knife crime, gun crime, robbery and crimes of sexual violence in London is carried out by young men from the African-Caribbean community. Of course, in return, we have rap music, goat curry and a far more vibrant and diverse understanding of cultures which were once alien to us. For which, many thanks.
Let me count the ways.
[...]
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:22:39pm |
re: #121 John Neverbend
I'm not sure if this quite fits the bill, but:
It makes me think of how DDT, which has no measurable effect on humans almost brought many birds of prey to the brink of extinction. I wouldn't rule out anything, including that roach spray I use regularly, but neither will I join the legions of talking heads on TV who can prove nothing.
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Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:23:07pm |
re: #156 ggt
Where there is violence, there are guns; therefore guns cause violence.
correlation does not indicate causation
;)
But if we look at the rape stats then there isn't even a correlation.
Non Causa Pro Causa?
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:23:10pm |
re: #157 Kewalo
Really not so strange.
[Link: www.naturalnews.com...]
We know that the meat industry adds hormones to animals to make them grow faster...right? Why should we just believe that our systems won't react in some way?
Well, for one thing, hormones act in the bloodstream, and are completely broken down in the digestive tract when eaten, just like any other protein. It's quite impossible to see any mechanism by which hormones could act as hormones after digestion.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:23:20pm |
re: #157 Kewalo
Really not so strange.
[Link: www.naturalnews.com...]
We know that the meat industry adds hormones to animals to make them grow faster...right? Why should we just believe that our systems won't react in some way?
Because we, well me, don't have degrees in biology, or genetics, or any science. I don't know what my gastric juices do to the chemicals I injest that another animal injested. There are too many factors involved to make such a conclusion.
I think, personally, society has to make choices. We either find a way to feed ALL the people we need to feed and deal with any risks, or we let some people starve.
Which would you prefer?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:23:50pm |
re: #163 Naso Tang
It makes me think of how DDT, which has no measurable effect on humans almost brought many birds of prey to the brink of extinction. I wouldn't rule out anything, including that roach spray I use regularly, but neither will I join the legions of talking heads on TV who can prove nothing.
"I love the smell of DDT in the morning! It smells like ,,,, victory!!"
//
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William of Orange Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:24:08pm |
Wikipedia confirms.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:24:53pm |
re: #166 ggt
Because we, well me, don't have degrees in biology, or genetics, or any science. I don't know what my gastric juices do to the chemicals I injest that another animal injested. There are too many factors involved to make such a conclusion.
I think, personally, society has to make choices. We either find a way to feed ALL the people we need to feed and deal with any risks, or we let some people starve.
Which would you prefer?
No true Scotsman would let anyone starve.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:24:59pm |
re: #156 ggt
Where there is violence, there are guns; therefore guns cause violence.
correlation does not indicate causation
;)
No, but correlation can indicate ability of causation.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:25:15pm |
re: #163 Naso Tang
It makes me think of how DDT, which has no measurable effect on humans almost brought many birds of prey to the brink of extinction. I wouldn't rule out anything, including that roach spray I use regularly, but neither will I join the legions of talking heads on TV who can prove nothing.
IIRC, The DDT kills birds was never proven in double-blind controlled tests. I love to see documentation as I did a search some years ago and couldn't find any.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:25:16pm |
re: #157 Kewalo
Really not so strange.
[Link: www.naturalnews.com...]
We know that the meat industry adds hormones to animals to make them grow faster...right? Why should we just believe that our systems won't react in some way?
Not just animal hormones. Sewage treatment can't handle a lot of human contraceptives:
[Link: linkinghub.elsevier.com...]
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:26:13pm |
re: #167 sattv4u2
"I love the smell of DDT in the morning! It smells like ,,, victory!!"
//
Yeah, I remember walking behind the truck spraying it and imagining I could hear the suckers hit the ground.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:26:53pm |
re: #166 ggt
We either find a way to feed ALL the people we need to feed and deal with any risks, or we let some people starve.
Which would you prefer?
when did you stop beating your wife!
It's not that cut and dry, unfortunately. There will always be people starving and many times it has nothing to do with how much we (world) can produce. There are natural phenomenom that contributes to starvation also
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:26:56pm |
re: #170 Naso Tang
No, but correlation can indicate ability of causation.
True, but how often do people think that far? Easier to get rid of the doctors because where there are doctors, there seem to be sick people. Where did that actually happen? China? I can't remember.
Correlation is grounds for more research.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:27:16pm |
re: #168 William of Orange
Wikipedia confirms.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
What a sad story! God blessed her with a long life. It makes me weepy. Her memory will be a blessing.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:28:19pm |
re: #174 sattv4u2
We either find a way to feed ALL the people we need to feed and deal with any risks, or we let some people starve.
Which would you prefer?
when did you stop beating your wife!
It's not that cut and dry, unfortunately. There will always be people starving and many times it has nothing to do with how much we (world) can produce. There are natural phenomenom that contributes to starvation also
LiL Kim in N Korea is not a natural phenomenon...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:28:37pm |
re: #174 sattv4u2
We either find a way to feed ALL the people we need to feed and deal with any risks, or we let some people starve.
Which would you prefer?
when did you stop beating your wife!
It's not that cut and dry, unfortunately. There will always be people starving and many times it has nothing to do with how much we (world) can produce. There are natural phenomenom that contributes to starvation also
I know, I know. This is a hot button topic for me.
People are always going to get sick too --whether we mess with food production or not.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:28:47pm |
re: #157 Kewalo
Really not so strange.
[Link: www.naturalnews.com...]
We know that the meat industry adds hormones to animals to make them grow faster...right? Why should we just believe that our systems won't react in some way?
I never said I didn't believe our systems would not react to what's in our food or water.
What I take issue with is your assumption or guess that what's in our food and water is contributing to increasing sex crimes (and actually, it does not appear crime is increasing at all). I've just never seen a study indicating that's the case.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:29:24pm |
re: #165 SixDegrees
You can get hormones orally, but they're fat-soluble-- that's why the meat thing is an actual concern, but having them in the water is much less of a concern.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:29:29pm |
re: #177 brookly red
LiL Kim in N Korea is not a natural phenomenon...
A freak of nature isn't a natural phenom!?!?!
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:30:11pm |
re: #171 ggt
IIRC, The DDT kills birds was never proven in double-blind controlled tests. I love to see documentation as I did a search some years ago and couldn't find any.
You can educate me if you wish, but I have not seen a refutation of this, nor of the fact that there has been a remarkable resurgence of birds of prey since DDT was abandoned.
In case you are partially informed; DDT does not kill birds, it makes them produce thin eggshells which are prone to breakage and therefore reduces reproduction. Hence the analogy of a specific, if subtle, early gestation impact.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:30:13pm |
re: #144 Thanos
Your writer is a student, have a link to scientific study?
Evidently you missed my first post on the subject, where I said that some people would think I'm crazy. But it is still my opinion. At no time did I say there was scientific proof. How can there be when no one seems to be studying it?
And why are you being so hostile? Aren't I allowed to express my opinion? What's up with that anyway?
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Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:30:47pm |
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:30:50pm |
re: #174 sattv4u2
We either find a way to feed ALL the people we need to feed and deal with any risks, or we let some people starve.
Which would you prefer?
when did you stop beating your wife!
It's not that cut and dry, unfortunately. There will always be people starving and many times it has nothing to do with how much we (world) can produce. There are natural phenomenom that contributes to starvation also
Yes but the best ways to ensure sufficient food are the ones Kewalo is lobbying against here. I bet they are against GM food as well.
remember how Norm stopped cyclic famine in the subcontinent of Asia and in South America?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:30:59pm |
December seemed much colder than average and so far January has been no better. Someone posted a confirming link this morning.
You know, it's strange, but I never thought I'd ever be keeping my fingers crossed for a colder than average winter - but I am.
I guess this means that I do believe in global warming.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:31:10pm |
re: #181 sattv4u2
A freak of nature isn't a natural phenom!?!?!
no that was a genuine communist plot...
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:31:23pm |
re: #179 reine.de.tout
I never said I didn't believe our systems would not react to what's in our food or water.
What I take issue with is your assumption or guess that what's in our food and water is contributing to increasing sex crimes (and actually, it does not appear crime is increasing at all). I've just never seen a study indicating that's the case.
Sex crimes?
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Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:32:13pm |
re: #185 Thanos
Yes but the best ways to ensure sufficient food are the ones Kewalo is lobbying against here. I bet they are against GM food as well.
remember how Norm stopped cyclic famine in the subcontinent of Asia and in South America?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Also see RIP, Norman Borlaug.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:32:38pm |
re: #183 Kewalo
Tons of people are studying this! What the hell are you talking about?
Tons of people are studying autism.
Tons of people are studying the environmental effects of hormones.
So what on earth do you mean by nobody studying this?
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:32:57pm |
re: #146 SixDegrees
I'd prefer to trust medical issues to medical researchers, rather than people with no knowledge of medicine or epidemiology or disease who are just guessing.
You have no idea of my background, but really is beside the point isn't it? I am just as entitled to my opinion as anyone else. There is no doubt that our water and food is contaminated with heaven knows what. The only question left is what is it doing to us?
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:33:23pm |
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:33:43pm |
re: #181 sattv4u2
A freak of nature isn't a natural phenom!?!?!
War seems to be a natural phenomenon, and it's disruption of farming and distribution is one important source of starvation. We produce a lot of food that never gets where it's needed.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:33:56pm |
re: #190 Obdicut
Tons of people are studying this! What the hell are you talking about?
Tons of people are studying autism.
Tons of people are studying the environmental effects of hormones.
So what on earth do you mean by nobody studying this?
/Tons of people are studying obesity...
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andres Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:34:12pm |
Here are two links concerning the recently launched Daily Caller (I know, many people are allergic to Media Matters):
Carlson's Daily Caller debuts with casual joke about rape
Tucker Carlson's Daily Caller kicks things off with gay joke
It's concerning this column by Matt Labash, from the Weekly Standard.
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Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:35:02pm |
re: #192 Naso Tang
I saw recently a suggestion that this may be about to reverse for the first time, in the USA. The reason; obesity.
You mean it's because we eat too much? Shucks, I thought obesity was caused by additives. /
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:35:28pm |
re: #191 Kewalo
Consider for a moment that "I'm just as entitled to my opinion as anyone else" is the same argument that many global warming deniers use, when rejecting the oodles of science on global warming.
You are not as entitled to your opinion as a researcher on the topic, no.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:35:34pm |
re: #193 Decatur Deb
War seems to be a natural phenomenon, and it's disruption of farming and distribution is one important source of starvation. We produce a lot of food that never gets where it's needed.
I am still waiting for my free gubermint cheese btw....
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:35:58pm |
re: #193 Decatur Deb
War seems to be a natural phenomenon, and it's disruption of farming and distribution is one important source of starvation. We produce a lot of food that never gets where it's needed.
I recently 'learned' (subject to validation) that nearly a third of the food grown/produced/manufactured in the Occident ultimately ends up in the garbage.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:36:03pm |
re: #149 Gus 802
The link of autisom to intellegence has been known for decades. When my older brother was born in 1968 (with autism, or this wouldn't make sense) the trend noticed was that it was mostly college graduates.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:36:13pm |
re: #196 Gus 802
You mean it's because we eat too much? Shucks, I thought obesity was caused by additives. /
Yes, food additive.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:37:15pm |
re: #198 brookly red
I am still waiting for my free gubermint cheese btw...
Have you filled out federal form CH-3DD-AR?
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:37:15pm |
re: #197 Obdicut
Consider for a moment that "I'm just as entitled to my opinion as anyone else" is the same argument that many global warming deniers use, when rejecting the oodles of science on global warming.
You are not as entitled to your opinion as a researcher on the topic, no.
Especially not if they back up their claims with links to somewhat loony Homeopathy sites.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:37:19pm |
re: #196 Gus 802
You mean it's because we eat too much? Shucks, I thought obesity was caused by additives. /
adding the pizza to the fried chicken works every time...
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:37:34pm |
re: #196 Gus 802
You mean it's because we eat too much? Shucks, I thought obesity was caused by additives. /
There are apparently also additives that cause people to eat too much.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:38:16pm |
I kinda skimmed; so maybe this was mentioned, one of the definite trends we've seen in children anyways is a trend towards hitting puberty younger (like as young as 9 sometimes).
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:38:28pm |
re: #198 brookly red
I am still waiting for my free gubermint cheese btw...
Stolen cheese can be way more satisfying.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:38:48pm |
re: #172 Decatur Deb
Not just animal hormones. Sewage treatment can't handle a lot of human contraceptives:
[Link: linkinghub.elsevier.com...]
I've been reading about that and what led to my train of thought.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:38:48pm |
re: #206 windsagio
err and its often saild/believed to be linked to growth hormones in our food. (No I don't have a study, too lazy)
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:38:57pm |
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:39:03pm |
re: #198 brookly red
I am still waiting for my free gubermint cheese btw...
The last time I heard of an actual cheese distribution was in KY in the '70s. In the late '50s, storage of excess cheese, butter and other commodities bought by the gov. to support farmers was seen as a major problem.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:39:04pm |
re: #191 Kewalo
You have no idea of my background
It's really quite evident, and doesn't draw on rational thought or science much.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:39:06pm |
re: #205 ryannon
There are apparently also additives that cause people to eat too much.
You mean like spices?
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:39:19pm |
re: #205 ryannon
There are apparently also additives that cause people to eat too much.
I really recommend the book "In Defense of Food", which is on the topic. Basic argument; We should mainly eat the foods we evolved to eat, because we evolved to eat them.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:39:30pm |
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:39:51pm |
re: #203 Thanos
Especially not if they back up their claims with links to somewhat loony Homeopathy sites.
Run by smelly hippies.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:40:07pm |
re: #211 Decatur Deb
Thats the other thing! We should be radiating our food for storage. 100% save, and super-effective.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:41:04pm |
Gotta go tend to the family . .
bbiab
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:41:09pm |
re: #211 Decatur Deb
The last time I heard of an actual cheese distribution was in KY in the '70s. In the late '50s, storage of excess cheese, butter and other commodities bought by the gov. to support farmers was seen as a major problem.
Velvetia form the 70's should still be good, no?
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:41:38pm |
re: #212 SixDegrees
It's really quite evident, and doesn't draw on rational thought or science much.
So STFU.
/ugh.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:42:11pm |
re: #217 windsagio
Thats the other thing! We should be radiating our food for storage. 100% save, and super-effective.
After the inoculation pundits run their current course, you can be sure the next target will be poor ol gamma rays.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:42:18pm |
re: #185 Thanos
Yes but the best ways to ensure sufficient food are the ones Kewalo is lobbying against here. I bet they are against GM food as well.
remember how Norm stopped cyclic famine in the subcontinent of Asia and in South America?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
What in the world are you talking about? Please point to a post where I have lobbied against any food? Do you always make things up to try and prove a point? Sheesh!
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:42:18pm |
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:42:31pm |
re: #214 Obdicut
if anyone's interested, theres a summary. Good book, always struck me as a bit 'tilting-at-windmillsey'.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:43:00pm |
re: #219 brookly red
Velvetia form the 70's should still be good, no?
What do you think you get on frozen pizza?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:43:02pm |
re: #182 Naso Tang
You can educate me if you wish, but I have not seen a refutation of this, nor of the fact that there has been a remarkable resurgence of birds of prey since DDT was abandoned.
In case you are partially informed; DDT does not kill birds, it makes them produce thin eggshells which are prone to breakage and therefore reduces reproduction. Hence the analogy of a specific, if subtle, early gestation impact.
In case you are partially informed. Millions died in Africa after the banning of DDT. But at least the birds are doing OK.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:43:25pm |
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:43:33pm |
re: #219 brookly red
Velvetia form the 70's should still be good, no?
That was used up decades ago by the Army Corps of Engineers to reinforce the levees in New Orleans.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:43:33pm |
re: #221 Naso Tang
hah! Sadly, they've already won that fight. They use the technique in Europe tho', and you don't even have to refrigerate (nuked then sealed) meat. It just sits on the shelves >
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:43:48pm |
re: #222 Kewalo
Well since you seem to be lobbying for "food purity" I made the assumption.
Do you think vaccines cause Autism?
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:44:24pm |
re: #226 Naso Tang
What do you think you get on frozen pizza?
In Brooklyn we kinda look at frozen pizza like instant grits....
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:44:26pm |
re: #205 ryannon
Due to the ding; we must be of a similar generation. I don't think some people get that one.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:45:38pm |
re: #225 Thanos
lol jerk. Fine I'll find one
here:
Researchers have identified an earlier age of the onset of puberty. However, they have based their conclusions on a comparison of data from 1999 with data from 1969. In the earlier example, the sample population was based on a small sample of white girls (200, from Britain). The later study identified as puberty as occurring in 48% of African-American girls by age nine, and 12% of white girls by that age.
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:45:40pm |
re: #231 Thanos
Well since you seem to be lobbying for "food purity" I made the assumption.
Do you think vaccines cause Autism?
Holy shit.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:46:15pm |
re: #231 Thanos
god I hope not, might have to get out my rocket launcher >>
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Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:46:18pm |
re: #232 brookly red
In Brooklyn we kinda look at frozen pizza like instant grits...
You ever have a Tombstone frozen pizza? I always thought the oil smelled like model train oil.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:46:58pm |
re: #227 rwdflynavy
In case you are partially informed. Millions died in Africa after the banning of DDT. But at least the birds are doing OK.
You are quite right, that it probably still has a use, but if you saw how it was used when I was a child, you might qualify that comment. How many species extinctions do you want to tolerate before you might consider a solution worse than the problem?
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:47:09pm |
re: #227 rwdflynavy
In case you are partially informed. Millions died in Africa after the banning of DDT. But at least the birds are doing OK.
I don't think DDT was ever banned in Africa.
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:47:11pm |
re: #237 Gus 802
You ever have a Tombstone frozen pizza? I always thought the oil smelled like model train oil.
I suppose you're against recycling, huh?
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andres Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:47:33pm |
re: #50 TampaKnight
The +15 and even number is under dispute, since those numbers came out on the same day. 2 different polling agencies.
And the even number poll was done to only 200 likely voters.
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:47:49pm |
re: #238 Naso Tang
You are quite right, that it probably still has a use, but if you saw how it was used when I was a child, you might qualify that comment. How many species extinctions do you want to tolerate before you might consider a solution worse than the problem?
Fuck the bees. Who needs them.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:48:36pm |
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:49:00pm |
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Martinsmithy Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:49:08pm |
I'm just finishing a great book by Robert Wright, entitled "The Evolution of God." It fits in quite well with my outlook on things religious. I'm wondering if any others reading this have read this book - also I'm wondering if Charles has read it. I recommend it highly as being quite thought-provoking.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:49:29pm |
re: #237 Gus 802
You ever have a Tombstone frozen pizza? I always thought the oil smelled like model train oil.
I got some Sicilians right around the corner that still make their own mozzarella fresh for their pies... wtf is a Tombstone frozen pizza? ;)
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:50:26pm |
re: #243 windsagio
We're about to find out!
[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]
I'm pretty sure CCD has been tied to a virus transmitted by bee mites. Instances of it have been noted going back well over a century in North America, suggesting that it has a naturally occurring vector.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:50:47pm |
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:51:03pm |
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:51:24pm |
re: #234 windsagio
lol jerk. Fine I'll find one
here:
Umm Wiki proves nothing, but here's a key line from the study they were referencing:
Previous standards of "normal puberty" were set more than 30 years ago, based on a study of less than 200 girls in a British orphanage in the 1960s
So onset of puberty didnt' really have a valid norm and due to better health systems, studies among many races, etc. it's detected factored and tracked better. Welcome to the computer age.
Thanks for proving my point and disproving yours.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:51:25pm |
re: #247 SixDegrees
oh yeah sorry. I wasn't tying it to DDT, just it struck a chord, because the Bees are dying, and it could have a pretty brutal effect on our agriculture.
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Lidane Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:51:33pm |
I wonder how many more of these we'll see before the 2010 elections:
Candidate to GOP: Sorry, But Tea Party Label Better for Me
Network computer consultant Donn Janes, who filed for Tennessee's 8th district race as a Republican in August, has decided to instead run as an Independent Tea Party candidate this cycle.
Janes, who has bashed the National Republican Congressional Committee for backing gospel singer Stephen Fincher (R) in Tennessee's open 8th district, said he decided to seek a third party nomination because "the National Republican Party continues to aggressively support candidates who lack depth on issues and conservative values, but instead focus on candidates who are able to self fund or raise large sums of money."
Democratic strategists said Monday the move will help their chances to hold the seat of retiring Rep. John Tanner (D) by siphoning off Republican votes in the general election.
Janes made his announcement at a a Tea Party event in Paris, Tenn., on Saturday, about a week after wealthy physician Ron Kirkland of Madison County officially threw his hat into the GOP race.
Janes said last month he expects to report less than $20,000 raised in the fourth quarter of 2009.
CQ Politics presently rates the Tennessee 8 race as a Toss Up.
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Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:51:43pm |
re: #246 brookly red
I got some Sicilians right around the corner that still make their own mozzarella fresh for their pies... wtf is a Tombstone frozen pizza? ;)
Sicilian pizza! OMG! That stuff doesn't exist outside of Brooklyn. And if they do make it it's like a rectangular-Chicago-pizza-quiche-withcheddarcheez-thing.
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allegro Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:51:44pm |
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darthstar Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:52:00pm |
re: #248 Naso Tang
Bees lay eggs?
Yes, they do. Even workers are capable of laying eggs after a queen dies.
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:52:01pm |
re: #245 Martinsmithy
I'm just finishing a great book by Robert Wright, entitled "The Evolution of God." It fits in quite well with my outlook on things religious. I'm wondering if any others reading this have read this book - also I'm wondering if Charles has read it. I recommend it highly as being quite thought-provoking.
As in the planet is only six thousand years old?
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martinsmithy Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:52:51pm |
re: #14 avanti
From the sublime (see post #245) to the ridiculous (Sarah Palin as a Fox News Commentator)!
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:52:56pm |
re: #239 SixDegrees
It wasn't. DDT wasn't banned for export, either. It was banned for wide-spraying agricultural use.
Thank god, too, otherwise malaria would be much worse.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:53:09pm |
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:53:30pm |
re: #253 Gus 802
Sicilian pizza! OMG! That stuff doesn't exist outside of Brooklyn. And if they do make it it's like a rectangular-Chicago-pizza-quiche-withcheddarcheez- thing.
with fresh tomatoes, onion & hand chopped garlic...
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:53:36pm |
Hey just a general shout out of thanks to many of you who welcomed one of the new hatchlings, Dragon_Lady, my wife. You folks really made her feel welcome. Like most of us back when, she has a lot to learn about the site, and blogging in general. Classy! Updings to all of you I could track. She will hit 50 comments soon enough to do the right ding thing.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:53:51pm |
re: #252 Lidane
There is now a Tea Party? I resent the connection to Independent however.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:53:53pm |
re: #115 reine.de.tout
What we do have is a 24/7 news cycle and access to events as they occur through the internet and news media. That might tend to make it appear there are more sexual crimes, when there really aren't. "Something in the water" is just a strange, strange idea.
I agree, the news media likes to put out the more sensational topics to make their ratings go up, so on the whole the amount of sex crimes are probably the same as during the 50's, 60's and 70's but now they're reported more. What I really dislike is waking up in the morning and hearing about them and other heinous crimes as soon as I put on the radio, it makes for a dismal and depressing start to my day.
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Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:53:57pm |
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:54:00pm |
re: #249 ryannon
Saturday Night Mass Extinction Event
I've started to put up nests for Mason Bees (which are actually wasps) and about 100x better pollinators than bees. Still like to keep the Apis, though.
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:54:16pm |
re: #246 brookly red
I got some Sicilians right around the corner that still make their own mozzarella fresh for their pies... wtf is a Tombstone frozen pizza? ;)
You are so lucky.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:54:27pm |
re: #253 Gus 802
You can actually get great Sicilian Pizza in Harvard Square.
[Link: www.pinocchiospizza.net...]
Nice guys, real Italian (Calabrese, so appropriate) heritage.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:54:41pm |
re: #250 Thanos
wait what is your point, and what is mine?
Mine is that 'puberty often starts as early as 9' (48% of black girls!)
The part about growth hormones, I didn't even try to prove in the link, altho' the article addresses it. "Widely believed" is what I said. And by that, its widely believed and talked about in like, college courses. AFAIK there are no epidemiological studies out on the subject yet, at least not ones that are worth trusting.
Any reason you have such an axe to grind on the subject?
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:55:24pm |
re: #265 Decatur Deb
I've started to put up nests for Mason Bees (which are actually wasps) and about 100x better pollinators than bees. Still like to keep the Apis, though.
What's their honey taste like?
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Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:55:35pm |
re: #267 Obdicut
You can actually get great Sicilian Pizza in Harvard Square.
[Link: www.pinocchiospizza.net...]
Nice guys, real Italian (Calabrese, so appropriate) heritage.
Yeah, I was going to say the Northeast.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:55:53pm |
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:55:53pm |
re: #261 Rightwingconspirator
Hey just a general shout out of thanks to many of you who welcomed one of the new hatchlings, Dragon_Lady, my wife. You folks really made her feel welcome. Like most of us back when, she has a lot to learn about the site, and blogging in general. Classy! Updings to all of you I could track. She will hit 50 comments soon enough to do the right ding thing.
You know, I think Charles rescinded that order.
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darthstar Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:55:53pm |
re: #254 allegro
Only the queen. I'll refrain from jokes.
Actually, if a queen stops laying (gets too old, dies, whatever), the colony will raise another queen cell from an existing egg, or a worker will start laying. All bee eggs can be queens, workers, or drones(dudes). It is how the egg is nurtured and nourished in the first five days that determines what it becomes. (I spent a few years working for an apiary, and we sold about 3,000 queens a season to beekeepers around the world...Sent 'em by US mail).
I'll stop there, before I go off on my beekeeping tangent. Suffice it to say, aside from six bucks an hour, 14 hour days, and no health insurance, it was the best job I ever had.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:56:10pm |
re: #197 Obdicut
Consider for a moment that "I'm just as entitled to my opinion as anyone else" is the same argument that many global warming deniers use, when rejecting the oodles of science on global warming.
You are not as entitled to your opinion as a researcher on the topic, no.
I have looked for studies on this and at this time there doesn't seem to be much that's accessible to me and I don't know who I would trust. If what I am saying is the same as deniers then where are the facts to refute me. I can easily refute the deniers. I find this characterization very unfair.
And I have never said I was a researcher.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:56:22pm |
re: #266 prairiefire
You are so lucky.
there are good points & bad points to living here... ethnic food is definitely a good point...
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martinsmithy Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:56:33pm |
re: #256 ryannon
Definitely not. Wright is no creationist, nor an (un)intelligent designer.
From Page 449-450
"Surely the believer is entitled to ask the same question about evolution: Where did the amazing algorithm of natural selection come from? Such a believer, by the way, would not here be making an argument for "intelligent design" the idea that natural selection isn't adequate to account for human evolution. On the contrary, the idea here is that natural selection is such a powerful mechanism that its origin demands a special explanation; that evolution by natural selection has patterns and properties every bit as extraordinary as an animal's maturation toward functional inegration."
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:56:47pm |
re: #268 windsagio
oh to get at what I think you're after, growth hormones (and antibiotics) are dangerous things. I'm not sure if we have a reasonable longterm solution to the problem, but just playing ostrich about the potential risks is stupid.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:57:23pm |
re: #272 prairiefire
Nah she got the notice when she went to upding someone. I had though so too but I think the code work continues at LGF HQ all the time.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:57:51pm |
re: #269 ryannon
What's their honey taste like?
No honey, they live in 1/4 inch tube stacks instead of hives.
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:58:15pm |
re: #251 windsagio
oh yeah sorry. I wasn't tying it to DDT, just it struck a chord, because the Bees are dying, and it could have a pretty brutal effect on our agriculture.
Well, some of it. Wheat and corn are wind pollinated. So is rice. Potatoes don't need pollination at all. Mostly, the world's staple foods are independent of bees for production.
Apples would be a problem, as would a number of other fruits.
Anyway, last I heard CCD was in remission. It wasn't a worldwide problem, and replacement of queens with "clean" stock from other continents seems to have gotten rid of it. I think it may be another year or two before they issue the all clear, but cases seem to have dropped dramatically.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:58:41pm |
re: #263 Dragon_Lady
I agree, the news media likes to put out the more sensational topics to make their ratings go up, so on the whole the amount of sex crimes are probably the same as during the 50's, 60's and 70's but now they're reported more. What I really dislike is waking up in the morning and hearing about them and other heinous crimes as soon as I put on the radio, it makes for a dismal and depressing start to my day.
And in the evening, there's Nancy Graaaaace.
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:59:18pm |
re: #279 Decatur Deb
No honey, they live in 1/4 inch tube stacks instead of hives.
I forgot the / sign.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 4:59:29pm |
re: #265 Decatur Deb
I've started to put up nests for Mason Bees (which are actually wasps) and about 100x better pollinators than bees. Still like to keep the Apis, though.
I saw something recently on how many other kinds of bees there are that can be used for pollination, but I think there is an issue of temperature tolerance for many of them.
Up in the colder climes there are many wasps and others that do the same job, but in the main, warmer, agricultural areas nothing beats the bee, not to mention honey.
Enough of this bees stuff..
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:00:01pm |
re: #279 Decatur Deb
Every garden should have one of those Mason Bee things. They're just great! (Upding to every mention of them I can find >>)
re: #280 SixDegrees
Maybe it was late, but I heard a story a few months back on NPR about how the migratory bees are having an (unrelated, as far as they know) dieoff. You know, the bees they truck from place to place to polinate fruit trees and such.
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:00:20pm |
re: #280 SixDegrees
Well, some of it. Wheat and corn are wind pollinated. So is rice. Potatoes don't need pollination at all. Mostly, the world's staple foods are independent of bees for production.
Apples would be a problem, as would a number of other fruits.
Anyway, last I heard CCD was in remission. It wasn't a worldwide problem, and replacement of queens with "clean" stock from other continents seems to have gotten rid of it. I think it may be another year or two before they issue the all clear, but cases seem to have dropped dramatically.
Bean! Beans!
The Perfect Fruit!
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:00:36pm |
re: #268 windsagio
I don't know please state your point concisely since you jumped into the middle of an ongoing conversation.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:00:45pm |
re: #266 prairiefire
You are so lucky.
did you know that egg rolls are actually supposed to be glazed with eggs?
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:00:52pm |
re: #273 darthstar
I have a neighbor who did that for a while, then developed an allergy.
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allegro Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:00:57pm |
re: #273 darthstar
Actually, if a queen stops laying (gets too old, dies, whatever), the colony will raise another queen cell from an existing egg, or a worker will start laying. All bee eggs can be queens, workers, or drones(dudes).
Absolutely correct. My response was more in the SNL context. ;)
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Cathypop Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:01:04pm |
Evening Lizards,
Just uncovered all my outside plants and it looks like my Mexican Bird of Paradise tree bit the dust and I had just gotten it this summer. Beautiful flowers on that guy. CRAP!
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:01:19pm |
re: #231 Thanos
Well since you seem to be lobbying for "food purity" I made the assumption.
Do you think vaccines cause Autism?
Go ASSume about someone else. You have no idea of my background or education. And "food purity" are your words, not mine.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:01:40pm |
re: #18 TampaKnight
My dad is 64 years old and when he was in grade school at a Catholic school, the head Priest headed up a boxing league after school.
You're right, if this happened today there would be legions of lawyers waiting outside.
It's sad what frivolous litigation has done to our society.
Heck, we used to have a shooting range in the basement of the Catholic HS I work at. Well, sort of. One of the priests dragged some old mattresses agains the wall and put targets on them. Worked fine.
This was long before my time.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:01:48pm |
Colony Collapse Disorder is mostly over, it's 2010, not 2006 - 2007 - please do try to stay current.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:03:18pm |
re: #32 Decatur Deb
Some school districts are severely cutting recess, then wonder why boys go squirrely.
Then, the teachers are scolded for not providing education for the 'kinetic' learners.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:03:30pm |
re: #291 Kewalo
Well I have to assume that you are somewhat anti-science since you come here making false assertions, and when challenged with actual facts you link nutball homeopathy sites and student articles as if they meant something.
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Silvergirl Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:03:40pm |
re: #24 brookly red
you do NOT want to be kicked by a ballerina, nope not ever.
Especially when she's got her toe shoes on.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:04:26pm |
re: #291 Kewalo
Go ASSume about someone else. You have no idea of my background or education. And "food purity" are your words, not mine.
And, you don't even answer a simple question that was put to you by Thanos... "Do you think vaccines cause Autism?" O'm interested in your answer too!
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:05:14pm |
re: #293 Thanos
Colony Collapse Disorder is mostly over, it's 2010, not 2006 - 2007 - please do try to stay current.
Really? I just saw a documentary on the discovery channel about it and they said that the cases Colony Collapse Disorder are increasing! Might I suggest more investigating would be a good idea on this topic?
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:06:00pm |
re: #297 Walter L. Newton
And, you don't even answer a simple question that was put to you by Thanos... "Do you think vaccines cause Autism?" O'm interested in your answer too!
Now give us your lunch money you little punk.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:06:21pm |
re: #274 Kewalo
You're asserting that something is true without having any scientific basis for it. The biggest problem I have is your statement that you are as entitled as anyone else to your opinion. That is not true, and it's never true, except on subjective subjects. On any objective subject-- like this one-- that does not hold true.
That the studies are not accessible to you does not mean that they don't exist-- in fact, as has been noted already, the majority of hormone pollution doesn't matter, since we can't absorb it in the form it's polluted in. Hormones are fat-soluble, not water soluble-- and even then, only when they're atomized (or moleculized, I guess) Your statement that the hormones in the water are affecting us is therefore going to be categorically untrue, since it is not possible for a fat-soluble item suspended in water to be absorbed into the body.
There are many, many more chemicals-- ironically also from agriculture-- that causes changes in human hormone levels but are not themselves hormones.
To me, you are simply saying your own opinion with no actual undersatnding of how hormones operate in the environment.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:06:31pm |
re: #286 Thanos
hrmm.. bad vibes today.
My point is that if you can afford it, its probably a good idea to use food products made without hormones or excessive antibiotics added for your children. There's no proof I know of, but its generally considered a good idea... if you can afford the cost.
On the other hand, its largely children that are most vulnerable (altho the antibiotics are a whole different problem), there's very little credible concern even over the effects of growth hormones on adults.
Theres a huge problem with causation, in that things are exceptionally hard to prove. Its just a matter of playing the odds (also, I know you don't like the wikipedia article but there are definite effects in animal testing).
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:06:59pm |
re: #298 Dragon_Lady
Really? I just saw a documentary on the discovery channel about it and they said that the cases Colony Collapse Disorder are increasing! Might I suggest more investigating would be a good idea on this topic?
As of 2009, the number of reported cases of CCD in the U.S. has dropped considerably; over the 2008/2009 winter, a total loss of 28.6% of managed honey bee colonies was recorded in the U.S., and only 15% of that subset (equal to only 4.3% of the national total) died with symptoms of CCD
[Link: maarec.cas.psu.edu...]
Now where did you see your claim?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:07:35pm |
re: #299 ryannon
Now give us your lunch money you little punk.
I'm not sure what you are implying? I just got home from work, looking over the thread, saw some of the dialog from Kewalo, and I'm interested in his/her answer.
That OK with you?
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:07:57pm |
re: #277 windsagio
oh to get at what I think you're after, growth hormones (and antibiotics) are dangerous things. I'm not sure if we have a reasonable longterm solution to the problem, but just playing ostrich about the potential risks is stupid.
I agree and I think when they finally get down to really researching it they will find it has been very dangerous.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:08:20pm |
A number of people are like super angry today. It must be the hormones in our food!
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Cathypop Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:08:40pm |
re: #303 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure what you are implying? I just got home from work, looking over the thread, saw some of the dialog from Kewalo, and I'm interested in his/her answer.
That OK with you?
///Yes Sir!///
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:09:11pm |
re: #303 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure what you are implying? I just got home from work, looking over the thread, saw some of the dialog from Kewalo, and I'm interested in his/her answer.
That OK with you?
Do you really give a shit?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:09:25pm |
re: #305 windsagio
A number of people are like super angry today. It must be the hormones in our food!
I'm not angry yet. Got any ideas?
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Cathypop Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:09:44pm |
re: #305 windsagio
A number of people are like super angry today. It must be the hormones in our food!
Nope. It's just a crappy Monday. It will go away after midnight. Trust me!
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:09:49pm |
re: #305 windsagio
A number of people are like super angry today. It must be the hormones in our food!
me belly full but me hungry still, a hungry man is an angry man...
Bob Marley.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:10:26pm |
re: #301 windsagio
There's no proof I know of
But there's tons of proof in extended life expectancy studies, the end of famines, decrease in disease, etc. etc. etc. that modern farming methods are better than "organic"
On top of that if we try to make all food worldwide "organic and local" real people do die.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:11:12pm |
re: #143 William of Orange
Some terribly sad niews from the Netherlands. Just an hour ago it was announced that the last surviving member of the Group that helped the Frank family in WWII , Miep Gies, has died at the grand old age of 100.
She's done so much for the world. Anne wrote it, Miep was it's spiritual mother.Rest in peace. :(
That's a great age, altogether. An amazing woman.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:11:34pm |
re: #302 Thanos
As of 2009, the number of reported cases of CCD in the U.S. has dropped considerably; over the 2008/2009 winter, a total loss of 28.6% of managed honey bee colonies was recorded in the U.S., and only 15% of that subset (equal to only 4.3% of the national total) died with symptoms of CCD
[Link: maarec.cas.psu.edu...]Now where did you see your claim?
The show aired just a few days ago, on one of the discovery channels. It might just have been a rerun of another doom and gloom report. All I know is what they reported on that show.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:11:34pm |
re: #307 ryannon
Do you really give a shit?
Yes I do. I had a autistic niece-in-law and her parents were Jehovah's Witnesses. They very much believed that vaccinations were the cause of this condition. This was all the way back in the 70's. Even then, I was trying to point out certain studies that disproved that point.
Now, what the fuck is your problem Ranger?
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:11:38pm |
re: #305 windsagio
I'm not angry, but I do always challenge consensus on "natural foods" "homeopathy" etc. since to me it's the modern form of snake oil.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:12:00pm |
re: #311 Thanos
But there's tons of proof in extended life expectancy studies, the end of famines, decrease in disease, etc. etc. etc. that modern farming methods are better than "organic"
On top of that if we try to make all food worldwide "organic and local" real people do die.
I am waiting for the organic big mac...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:12:43pm |
re: #308 Walter L. Newton
Any new "Tales from the Compactor?"
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:13:02pm |
re: #265 Decatur Deb
If you haven't seen this, you might find it interesting.
[Link: www.thedailygreen.com...]
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:13:07pm |
re: #313 Dragon_Lady
The show aired just a few days ago, on one of the discovery channels. It might just have been a rerun of another doom and gloom report. All I know is what they reported on that show.
Well, they were wrong, or they were an old rerun -- not uncommon on Discovery. The increase occurred 2006-2007 and it's trended down since.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:13:18pm |
re: #239 SixDegrees
I don't think DDT was ever banned in Africa.
Well, kinda
It has also been argued that donor governments and agencies have refused to fund DDT spraying, or made aid contingent upon not using DDT. According a report in the British Medical Journal, use of DDT in Mozambique "was stopped several decades ago, because 80% of the country's health budget came from donor funds, and donors refused to allow the use of DDT."[111] Roger Bate asserts that "many countries have been coming under pressure from international health and environment agencies to give up DDT or face losing aid grants: Belize and Bolivia are on record admitting they gave in to pressure on this issue from [USAID]."[112]
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:13:55pm |
re: #314 Walter L. Newton
Yes I do. I had a autistic niece-in-law and her parents were Jehovah's Witnesses. They very much believed that vaccinations were the cause of this condition. This was all the way back in the 70's. Even then, I was trying to point out certain studies that disproved that point.
Now, what the fuck is your problem Ranger?
I don't have any.
But you seem to accord an inordinate amount of importance to what I think.
Since you do, I'd like to reiterate that I firmly believe that what you identified as a Gaza Seagull was actually a Gaza cat.
Ok, Ranger?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:13:55pm |
re: #160 Soap_Man
Maybe it explains why my 14-year-old nephew is six inches taller than I am.
(Half kidding)
Only half. It's hilarious to see families where the older generation was raised on a low-protein, low-fat (often too-low for all of those) diet, and the youngsters were brought up on hamburgers. In Ireland, when I was a student, it wasn't uncommon to see families where Grandpa was five-foot-two, and grandson was a foot taller.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:14:32pm |
re: #320 rwdflynavy
That's how you ban something without "banning" it. You just threaten to withhold aid if they don't fall in line.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:14:43pm |
re: #319 Thanos
Well, they were wrong, or they were an old rerun -- not uncommon on Discovery. The increase occurred 2006-2007 and it's trended down since.
Well that's a relief! I'm really glad to hear it!
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:15:14pm |
re: #315 Thanos
I'm not angry, but I do always challenge consensus on "natural foods" "homeopathy" etc. since to me it's the modern form of snake oil.
personally I just can't bring myself to eat "cheese food" whatever the f' that is...
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:15:19pm |
re: #320 rwdflynavy
There are also some studies going on pertaining to confined, contained use of it in attics where birds can't get to it etc.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:16:17pm |
re: #317 Stanley Sea
Any new "Tales from the Compactor?"
I discovered today that the compactor can fold a double upright freezer in half. Neat.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:16:31pm |
re: #311 Thanos
Well certainly having enough food is healthier! As for the other bit, I challenge you to find a study that isolates out, say... the use of antibiotics in cattle as a singular cause of anything.
What you're saying is that 'in general people are healthier, so that must directly correlate to our farming practices.' That simply doesn't follow.
re: #315 Thanos
See that annoys me. I'm not saying ANYTHING about 'Natural Foods' and CERTAINLY not "Homeopathy". Maybe you got that from Kewalo, so I'm gonna guess you're not just going all strawmanney on me.. I'm talking about a few specific techniques that we should be concerned about.
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allegro Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:16:37pm |
re: #326 Thanos
There are also some studies going on pertaining to confined, contained use of it in attics where birds can't get to it etc.
Unless something has happened within the past 3 or 4 years, DDT has always been available for use in the US under specific, controlled circumstances by permit.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:16:53pm |
re: #327 Walter L. Newton
I discovered today that the compactor can fold a double upright freezer in half. Neat.
you did check inside first right?
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:17:22pm |
re: #325 brookly red
personally I just can't bring myself to eat "cheese food" whatever the f' that is...
Velveeta... yummmmm.
/just kidding - I like Tillamook sharp cheddar mostly with an occasional foray into Amish cheeses from Missouri.
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Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:18:25pm |
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:19:11pm |
re: #331 Thanos
Velveeta... yummm.
/just kidding - I like Tillamook sharp cheddar mostly with an occasional foray into Amish cheeses from Missouri.
Niccce...
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:19:31pm |
re: #323 rwdflynavy
That's how you ban something without "banning" it. You just threaten to withhold aid if they don't fall in line.
Sounds better than bombing to me.
Anyway, off to watch some TV while I'm still in a good mood.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:19:35pm |
re: #295 Thanos
Well I have to assume that you are somewhat anti-science since you come here making false assertions, and when challenged with actual facts you link nutball homeopathy sites and student articles as if they meant something.
No, you didn't have to assume anything...you choose to assume and make a full frontal attack for no good reason I can see and I sure haven't seen one link that would lead me to believe that you have any idea about the subject. If I am sooooo far off base there must be plenty of science to disprove it. Please do me a favor and point me in the direction of it.
Your assumptions are your problem, not mine.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:19:50pm |
re: #328 windsagio
Well see if you jump into middle of a conversation, sometimes you get an annoying reply.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:19:53pm |
re: #330 brookly red
you did check inside first right?
That's why I threw it out. I opened it up and was almost knocked over by the smell of all the mold inside. This was a donation to the thrift store. Bullshit, they were trying to get rid of it instead of disposing of it legally.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:20:22pm |
re: #334 Naso Tang
Sounds better than bombing to me.
Anyway, off to watch some TV while I'm still in a good mood.
Concur. Enjoy TV!
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:20:50pm |
re: #335 Kewalo
The good reason is that you are making wild assed unfounded claims based on assumptions that don't match reality.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:21:31pm |
re: #337 Walter L. Newton
That's why I threw it out. I opened it up and was almost knocked over by the smell of all the mold inside. This was a donation to the thrift store. Bullshit, they were trying to get rid of it instead of disposing of it legally.
when you can hear the mold breath it's time to clean the fridge...
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:21:45pm |
re: #336 Thanos
So, you agree with my points then?
Can you address them in a meaningful manner?
Attacking me for joining a conversation late (I mean Good God, its a Blog!) is... well it speaks of cognitive surrender. And its rude.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:22:23pm |
re: #337 Walter L. Newton
Those people are the worst. Get rid of your really disgusting junk and pretend you can feel good about it!
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Racer X Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:22:24pm |
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:22:59pm |
re: #342 windsagio
Which point since you seem somewhat passive agressive - be concise and state it clearly?
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:23:27pm |
re: #343 windsagio
Those people are the worst. Get rid of your really disgusting junk and pretend you can feel good about it!
bet they take the tax deduction too...
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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:24:04pm |
re: #322 SanFranciscoZionist
Only half. It's hilarious to see families where the older generation was raised on a low-protein, low-fat (often too-low for all of those) diet, and the youngsters were brought up on hamburgers. In Ireland, when I was a student, it wasn't uncommon to see families where Grandpa was five-foot-two, and grandson was a foot taller.
Well, that is supposed to say cousin's kid and not nephew (don't know why I wrote that,) but that doesn't matter. What does matter is that everyone is his generation is bigger-not just taller, but with a bigger frame-than everyone in my generation. The same is true with my brother and my dad and uncles. I'm not going to pretend I know why that is, but it is a little startling to see.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:24:29pm |
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Silvergirl Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:24:40pm |
re: #325 brookly red
personally I just can't bring myself to eat "cheese food" whatever the f' that is...
I raise my right hand and swear never to eat another Lunchable as long as I live. Talk about cheese food. I was running around in a hurry today and thought it would be fast and filling. Oh the horror!
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:24:48pm |
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:25:26pm |
re: #350 Silvergirl
I raise my right hand and swear never to eat another Lunchable as long as I live. Talk about cheese food. I was running around in a hurry today and thought it would be fast and filling. Oh the horror!
a little admodium should help...
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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:25:34pm |
re: #322 SanFranciscoZionist
Only half. It's hilarious to see families where the older generation was raised on a low-protein, low-fat (often too-low for all of those) diet, and the youngsters were brought up on hamburgers. In Ireland, when I was a student, it wasn't uncommon to see families where Grandpa was five-foot-two, and grandson was a foot taller.
It's important to note that I was raised on a high-protien, high-fat diet.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:26:00pm |
re: #335 Kewalo
Do you think vaccines cause autism? It's a simple question with a yes or no answer.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:26:02pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:26:03pm |
re: #343 windsagio
Those people are the worst. Get rid of your really disgusting junk and pretend you can feel good about it!
Exactly. We ask for gently used items, not trash, but you would be surprised how many pieces of totally unusable trash we get, and I mean trash. I'm going into my third week there and I could tell you some horror stories already.
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:26:52pm |
re: #350 Silvergirl
I raise my right hand and swear never to eat another Lunchable as long as I live. Talk about cheese food. I was running around in a hurry today and thought it would be fast and filling. Oh the horror!
Cheese food in, chesse food out.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:26:54pm |
re: #345 Thanos
OK to state it for a third freakin' time.
"Although there is no definitive science either way, its generally considered that it'd be smarter/safer to avoid food (mainly meat and milk) heavily treated with antibiotics and growth hormones with growing children... If you can afford the premium cost."
I keep making the same case and you nibble about the edges and make personal attacks. Its maddening. Also lol. "Passive-aggressive"? REALLY?
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:27:44pm |
re: #356 Walter L. Newton
one of my clients worked at the Goodwill for years. I had to go into the back pretty often to get him, and I saw some awful 'donations' just LEFT on the loading dock. (Yes I know you're not supposed to do that, they do anyways).
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:27:44pm |
re: #354 Thanos
Do you think vaccines cause autism? It's a simple question with a yes or no answer.
And were you ever a member of the Communist Party?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:27:57pm |
re: #343 windsagio
Those people are the worst. Get rid of your really disgusting junk and pretend you can feel good about it!
Those types don't pretend to "feel" good about it. They don't "feel" one way or the other about it. Their just dumping their garbage on someone else so they don't have to pay a disposal fee.
We get a-holes like that dumping paint, pool bleach containers, and couches in our alley-way dumpsters.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:28:25pm |
re: #358 windsagio
I disagree, you are statistically more likely to die of e-coli than anything the antibiotics might do.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:28:27pm |
re: #300 Obdicut
If you read my original post I did not just point at hormones, but at all the pollution in our water and food.
There are many theories about what is causing earlier puberty. Pre-pubertal obesity has been shown to lower the age of menarche. Also linked to early menstruation are chemicals such as phthalate esters, which are added to vinyl to make it flexible, and are found in toys, vinyl floor and wall coverings, food packaging, pesticides, detergents, pharmaceuticals, and personal care products such as nail polish, sunscreen, shampoo and lotions. Hormones in meat and milk, and other “environmental estrogens” have been implicated.
[Link: bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com...]
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:28:30pm |
re: #349 brookly red
tales from the compactor... (que the scary music)
Scary... ok... this past Friday night I was on the closing shift. Part of my duties is to walk the store after we lock the front door to make sure we have no customers lingering or lurking in the store. I pass the used toy department, and some friggin toy is talking away, so i turn it off... I'm walking away and suddenly it say "turn me back on Walter, turn me back on..."
I clocked out.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:29:46pm |
re: #356 Walter L. Newton
Exactly. We ask for gently used items, not trash, but you would be surprised how many pieces of totally unusable trash we get, and I mean trash. I'm going into my third week there and I could tell you some horror stories already.
here is the old 2 ladies talking in heaven joke...
1st woman: Hi! Wanda.
2nd woman: Hi! Sylvia. How'd you die?
1st woman: I froze to death.
2nd woman: How horrible!
1st woman: It wasn't so bad. After I quit shaking from the cold, I began to get warm & sleepy, and finally died a peaceful death. What about you?
2nd woman: I died of a massive heart attack. I suspected that my husband was cheating, so I came home early to catch him in the act. But instead, I found him all by himself in the den watching TV.
1st woman: So, what happened?
2nd woman: I was so sure there was another woman there somewhere that I started running all over the house looking. I ran up into the attic and searched, and ran down into the basement. Then I went through every closet and checked under all the beds.. I kept this up until I had looked everywhere, and finally I became so exhausted that I just keeled over with a heart attack and died.
1st woman: Too bad you didn't look in the freezer---we'd both still be alive.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:29:50pm |
re: #356 Walter L. Newton
Exactly. We ask for gently used items, not trash, but you would be surprised how many pieces of totally unusable trash we get, and I mean trash. I'm going into my third week there and I could tell you some horror stories already.
I actually look forward to these stories. Keep 'em coming! Sooner or later we'll get to a Stephen Kingish tale.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:30:09pm |
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:30:17pm |
re: #362 Thanos
Well we're not talking about 'dieing'. We're talking about minimizing potential risk factors for bad health.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:30:41pm |
re: #359 windsagio
one of my clients worked at the Goodwill for years. I had to go into the back pretty often to get him, and I saw some awful 'donations' just LEFT on the loading dock. (Yes I know you're not supposed to do that, they do anyways).
I not work for ARC. After two years, I quit the live theatre gig, the pay was just to low, even for part time work. I'm working 40 hours a week now, and hauling ass, and at 57, it's not as easy as it would be if I was 20 years younger, but at least it's a full time job, benefits and it's for a good cause, besides paying the bills.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:31:41pm |
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:32:07pm |
re: #370 Walter L. Newton
yeah I remember. Its a brave, scary choice you made >> Do you use disabled people at the store you work at? (probably not, but I always have professional interest in how they do... from people who have no reason to lie to me about it)
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:32:15pm |
re: #364 Walter L. Newton
Scary... ok... this past Friday night I was on the closing shift. Part of my duties is to walk the store after we lock the front door to make sure we have no customers lingering or lurking in the store. I pass the used toy department, and some friggin toy is talking away, so i turn it off... I'm walking away and suddenly it say "turn me back on Walter, turn me back on..."
I clocked out.
That was close enough!!
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:32:33pm |
re: #368 SanFranciscoZionist
Thanks. Now that makes her official.
BBL off to catch the subway and get home! My Sierra Nevada IPA awaits.
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Silvergirl Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:32:43pm |
re: #357 ryannon
Cheese food in, chesse food out.
As in fatty food? It's horrible to have to explain a joke, but I think I need a boost here. Or a nudge. I don't want to pretend to laugh.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:33:22pm |
re: #363 Kewalo
What is the obsession with puberty?
As pointed out upthread the norms for age of puberty were established in the 60's by a flawed study of a single all-white population at an orphanage rather than large mixed race populations.
They were wrong.
We now have more data, and that's why the age was dropped. You don't have to assume that something dramatic has changed other than our ability to measure and report.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:33:36pm |
Ok, what is everyone reading (besides this blog)?
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:33:37pm |
Gonna log off so I can go pick up Rightwingconspiritor at the train. Type at you all later!
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:33:45pm |
re: #318 Kewalo
If you haven't seen this, you might find it interesting.
[Link: www.thedailygreen.com...]
Thanks. I can't keep real bees, my wife has to carry a kit. (Might take it up if she keeps hanging the toilet paper backwards.)
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:33:56pm |
re: #370 Walter L. Newton
I not work for ARC. After two years, I quit the live theatre gig, the pay was just to low, even for part time work. I'm working 40 hours a week now, and hauling ass, and at 57, it's not as easy as it would be if I was 20 years younger, but at least it's a full time job, benefits and it's for a good cause, besides paying the bills.
I NOT WORK FOR ARC? = I work for ARC. Tired, long day, lots of stuff came in, 10 pallets and 12 cages of stuff from the truck routes, and Mondays, I'm the only one in the production area, furniture guy takes care of all the back end stuff on Mondays, cause production workers are off Sun/Mon, and the floor is staffed with a few assistant managers only.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:34:00pm |
re: #376 wozzablog
What the heck happend there?
Anyhews.
All i was going to say was.........
WHOOP for Sierra Nevada.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:34:23pm |
re: #364 Walter L. Newton
I don't think that was intended to scare you. I think it might have been a come on.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:34:26pm |
re: #363 Kewalo
In your first post you asked:
Our water if full of medications, hormones and God knows what else. How could it not effect us?
Hormones in our water could not affect us because hormones are not fat soluble.
The real pollutants that greatly affect our hormone levels are those oldy-but-goodies, PCBs and HCBs.
[Link: www.nature.com...]
You repeatedly are saying things like your opinion is as valid as anyone else's, and that you're sure when the research is done you'll be proved right. That is a non-scientific-- in fact, an anti-scientific-- position, and it's dangerous to take.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:34:35pm |
re: #381 windsagio
It may end up being my most popular..............
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:34:45pm |
re: #375 Silvergirl
As in fatty food? It's horrible to have to explain a joke, but I think I need a boost here. Or a nudge. I don't want to pretend to laugh.
It's a paleo computing/programming/coding/information-searching joke.
"Shit in, shit out."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:35:14pm |
re: #384 Slumbering Behemoth
I don't think that was intended to scare you. I think it might have been a come on.
or a practical joke from a co-worker --was it an RC toy?
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Silvergirl Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:35:42pm |
re: #387 ryannon
It's a paleo computing/programming/coding/information-searching joke.
"Shit in, shit out."
Thanks. I was thrown by chesse.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:35:43pm |
re: #378 ggt
I'm being geeky right now. I'm reading a 1977 complete encyclopedia of all the Batman comics up to 1969. (not the comics themselves, just a series of entries on the characters and places)
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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:35:45pm |
re: #374 Rightwingconspirator
Thanks. Now that makes her official.
BBL off to catch the subway and get home! My Sierra Nevada IPA awaits.
re: #379 Dragon_Lady
Gonna log off so I can go pick up Rightwingconspiritor at the train. Type at you all later!
Funny how we get to see both sides of that. And Sierra Nevada IPA is a damn fine beer.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:35:53pm |
re: #369 windsagio
Who is this "we" do you have a mouse in your pocket?
Again, you are statistically more likely to die from that antibiotic free beef than I am from protected beef. You are also more likely to get mad cow disease.
I like my sanity, and I like my life.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:36:11pm |
re: #364 Walter L. Newton
Scary... ok... this past Friday night I was on the closing shift. Part of my duties is to walk the store after we lock the front door to make sure we have no customers lingering or lurking in the store. I pass the used toy department, and some friggin toy is talking away, so i turn it off... I'm walking away and suddenly it say "turn me back on Walter, turn me back on..."
I clocked out.
If a toy says that, Turn It On Again:
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:36:40pm |
re: #390 windsagio
I'm being geeky right now. I'm reading a 1977 complete encyclopedia of all the Batman comics up to 1969. (not the comics themselves, just a series of entries on the characters and places)
I do that with the Star Trek encyclopeia.
;)
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Silvergirl Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:37:10pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:37:35pm |
re: #388 ggt
Oh ggt, I don't think Walter was telling a factual tale.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:37:38pm |
re: #391 Soap_Man
Funny how we get to see both sides of that. And Sierra Nevada IPA is a damn fine beer.
ahahahahahahahaha!
LMAO
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:37:41pm |
re: #372 windsagio
yeah I remember. Its a brave, scary choice you made >> Do you use disabled people at the store you work at? (probably not, but I always have professional interest in how they do... from people who have no reason to lie to me about it)
Yes, we have a number of different ways that is handled. We have 4 part time disabled workers and we have training programs come in with groups once or twice a week with a half or dozen or so disabled people who are getting occupational training. And sometimes, like today, we had a single sighted person come in with a sight impaired training person and worked for 2-3 hours with him.
We have about 18 full time production, cashier and furniture people (furniture is a separate department from production, and the three of us in furniture cover the full week, plus some misc. duties).
Busy place.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:38:01pm |
re: #396 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh ggt, I don't think Walter was telling a factual tale.
just trying to contribute
:)
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:38:41pm |
re: #392 Thanos
You keep jumping back to 'dying', and I keep saying thats not what I'm talking about. Living your life isn't a binary function.
I shouldn't say this, but I just can't shake the feeling. The anger and ferocity with which you argue about this makes me think back when I got into an argument with a PD about the disgrace that radio programming has become. You read like you have a dog in the hunt here.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:38:46pm |
re: #392 Thanos
Mad Cow disease I don't think is affected by presence or absence of antibiotics, since it's a prion disease. Maybe a few antibiotics could affect it, but I don't think so.
It's mainly a feed problem-- cannibal cows.
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:38:57pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:39:27pm |
re: #396 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh ggt, I don't think Walter was telling a factual tale.
It was factual up to the point of the toy coming back on by itself. It's my warped sense of humor.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:39:38pm |
re: #400 windsagio
I agree with pretty much everything Thanos has said: do you think I have a dog in this race too?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:39:50pm |
re: #395 Silvergirl
A Plague of Doves.
Is it gruesome? I like mystery types but not if they are too horrible.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:39:57pm |
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:40:13pm |
re: #354 Thanos
Do you think vaccines cause autism? It's a simple question with a yes or no answer.
Of course I don't. But I do think they are going to find a causal factor that has something to do with what their mothers either put into their bodies or are lacking something.
Just a few years ago it wasn't known that lack of folic acid caused neural tube defects. And if we had been talking 10 yrs ago and I had said I thought it might you would probably have jumped all over me. Now some are saying and there's no proof yet that lack of folic acid might also cause cleft palates. So, it seems to me that if a small amount of folic acid can stop these terrible birth defects then I think it's not unreasonable to think that autism might also be caused by a substance or a lack of one. Brains are very delicate.
So will you now please go be rude to someone else.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:40:34pm |
re: #400 windsagio
What anger ? What ferocity? Do you consider yourself a psychic to be able to measure these things over teh innernetz?
I know facts can be hurtful but they are just that.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:40:58pm |
re: #398 Walter L. Newton
Lord, it sounds like it!
What level of productivity do you expect from your disabled workers? (I know it varies widely)
Either way your program sounds wonderful. As my experience shows, they usually LOVE working and feeling useful. Its intensely therapeutic.
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:41:23pm |
re: #287 brookly red
did you know that egg rolls are actually supposed to be glazed with eggs?
No, but I could see how that would brown them if they were not fried.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:42:41pm |
re: #408 Kewalo
Since you did not directly answer the question, let me try the Joe McCarthy approach:
Are you now, or have you ever been, an anti-vaxer?
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:43:01pm |
re: #290 Cathypop
Very sorry to hear that. All of you southern lizards are in for a world of suck with your plants. Is that variation much different from the Hawaiian variety?
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Silvergirl Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:43:08pm |
re: #405 ggt
Is it gruesome? I like mystery types but not if they are too horrible.
Well, with murder and lynching it's gruesome, but not overly graphic. It's one where I'm really needing to pay attention to get the connections of all the characters, but so far, rewarding. Actually it's The Plague of Doves. I wrote 'A' before.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:45:41pm |
re: #400 windsagio
You keep jumping back to 'dying', and I keep saying thats not what I'm talking about. Living your life isn't a binary function.
I shouldn't say this, but I just can't shake the feeling. The anger and ferocity with which you argue about this makes me think back when I got into an argument with a PD about the disgrace that radio programming has become. You read like you have a dog in the hunt here.
Charles was posting alot about Autism and Vaccines a while back and posters went thru several threads of refuting bad science and misinformation. LGF has also been a community that links to resources. If someone puts forth an idea and is challenged, it's a good idea to post a link or explain why you are not. A challenge usually isn't personal --and shouldn't be taken as such.
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Silvergirl Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:45:42pm |
re: #402 ryannon
What was the experience like?
A little disorienting, not unlike Alice's fall down the rabbit hole.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:46:22pm |
re: #403 Walter L. Newton
It was factual up to the point of the toy coming back on by itself. It's my warped sense of humor.
Was it's name: Chuckie?
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:46:58pm |
re: #408 Kewalo
Thanks for the answer, but your answer doesn't match with your original thesis. You proposed that there are "things out there harming us" in the environment, as a broad sweeping statement it's obviously true - there are few substances including water, that cannot be classed as toxins in extreme doses, and the moment we are born we start dieing as our cells wage a war of survival with our environment.
But you are proposing now something that's good for us, taken in right dose I assume, rather than pointing at something specific in the environment that's harmful.
You notice I'm not arguing with Obdicut when he states that PCB"s are bad right?
My beef with you is that you are bordering on paranoia about the things that have in most cases advanced our quality and length of life without being specific.
You leap from insinuations about sex crimes to early puberty based on false data, and you make me wonder.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:47:25pm |
re: #410 windsagio
Lord, it sounds like it!
What level of productivity do you expect from your disabled workers? (I know it varies widely)
Either way your program sounds wonderful. As my experience shows, they usually LOVE working and feeling useful. Its intensely therapeutic.
None of the disabled workers do production work. Production work in a thrift store is sorting and pricing items. The disabled workers rack items, do ragouts (removing alder items that did not sell from the active stock), one of the disabled workers helps around the production area, accepting donations or helping furniture department with the heavy lifting.
We have one autistic girl who is totally incommunicative, but she sorts clothes hangers and works along with her mom who is a woman's clothes pricer.
And all of our profits go directly back into programs in the community, not sent to some corporate office in another state. All ARC chapters receive local money from their local thrift operations and the local chapter distributes the funds in the community.
There are ARC chapters in most states, not all states have a thrift store operation (or chain of thrift stores). Some local chapters raise money using other means.
The whole idea is not to lock the fund raising to one venture. Different areas, different chapters find the most lucrative sorce of funds and targets that.
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Silvergirl Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:47:28pm |
My time's up. I swore I'd put away the dregs of the Christmas decorations that have been covering a tabletop for the past three days, so I'm off to do that. Getting them out is so much more fun.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:47:46pm |
re: #404 Obdicut
In short, you're coming off as rational, and not angry. Also, you're not engaging in personal attacks or diversionary tactics. In a word, you're not defensive on the subject.
I'll be the first to agree that Kewalo is going too far with some of his statements (Trace prozac in our water probably has very little effect on anything). And I notice that you haven't really argued with any of my posts >> Do you actively disagree with what I'm saying? Its an interesting subject to discuss :)
re: #409 Thanos
You're not giving me any facts! You're just making meta-attacks on me, or misrepresenting my argument. In general, as an individual, why not play it safe?
We make risk-analysis part of our everyday lives. "Is this (potential) improvement worth this cost?" The body is a messy subject, and we're really not clear all the effects of everything. Reductio ad Absurdum (in this case "Will it kill me outright?") is foolish and shortsighted.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:47:51pm |
re: #407 Slumbering Behemoth
Oy. My bad. Never mind.
No, not at all. You should know by now that sometimes I need a little help, and it is always appreciated.
My response was a badly worded attempt at humor.
:)
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:48:49pm |
re: #378 ggt
Ok, what is everyone reading (besides this blog)?
Sixguns by Elmer Keith. Goes good with my new Taurus 650 Stainless ... :)
William
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:50:14pm |
re: #380 Decatur Deb
I happened on the Bee Keeper awhile back and got so fascinated that I actually kept the link. LOL There's really a lot of interesting stuff at the site.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:51:25pm |
re: #421 windsagio
Yadda yadda. etc.
You can't refute the fact that antibiotics save more lives and enhance the quality of more lives than they harm so now you are changing the subject to the manner of argumentation. I like science, I like facts, do you have something other than popular opinion to base your judgement on?
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:51:56pm |
re: #415 ggt
Lol, I HATE the Vaccine idea. Just want to make it absolutely clear. I have an older brother whose Autistic, and I work in health care. Those nutjobs (RFK Jr. Can metaphorically die!) really make me crazy.
As to the other thing... Unfortunately, we're talking about a very complex area. Its almost impossible to isolate these kind of things for independent study. On the other hand, ask people who have been through Endicrinology classes recently, and ask what they think about the growth hormone subject.
Unfortunately the subject isn't something that can be proven either way at this point.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:52:40pm |
re: #423 wlewisiii
Sixguns by Elmer Keith. Goes good with my new Taurus 650 Stainless ... :)
William
OMG! Have fun, and get to the range.
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:53:03pm |
re: #416 Silvergirl
A little disorienting, not unlike Alice's fall down the rabbit hole.
I take it that it was Swiss Cheese, then.
You could always write a book....
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:53:21pm |
re: #377 Thanos
No obsession with puberty except as a sign that something is not right. If we owe our children anything it is healthy food and water. And if there is so much data proving me so wrong where the hell is it?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:55:00pm |
re: #377 Thanos
What is the obsession with puberty?
As pointed out upthread the norms for age of puberty were established in the 60's by a flawed study of a single all-white population at an orphanage rather than large mixed race populations.
They were wrong.We now have more data, and that's why the age was dropped. You don't have to assume that something dramatic has changed other than our ability to measure and report.
Perhaps, like Garth, he has yet to go through it.
[snicker]
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:55:30pm |
re: #431 Kewalo
No obsession with puberty except as a sign that something is not right. If we owe our children anything it is healthy food and water. And if there is so much data proving me so wrong where the hell is it?
Healthy compared to what? What parameters do you prefer. We have one of the safest food supplies in the world. We can only keep trying and learn as we go. There are always risks.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:56:19pm |
re: #426 Thanos
Until resistence sets in.
Over reliance on antibiotics prescribed for headcolds and the like - combined with antibiotics in the food supply are making human bodies more resistent to them than we need to be.
just asking a question here - if you were faced with a choice of two meats (the same price) one beiing organic and one being antibiotically farmed and intensively reared............. which would you choose?
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:56:24pm |
re: #431 Kewalo
You made the wild assed assertions, you own the linkage. This is a hard room, we fact check your ass, if you make an assertion in here as you did, then you provide the proof. I willing to be convinced if you can show me something that backs up your claims that's valid. If you make extraordinary claims, then you must also supply extraordinary proof. So far you have not.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:57:12pm |
re: #431 Kewalo
No obsession with puberty except as a sign that something is not right. If we owe our children anything it is healthy food and water. And if there is so much data proving me so wrong where the hell is it?
Here, go read, I suspect you could have found this yourself in about 1/2 second, but if you have to have you hand held... come back in a few days...
[Link: www.cdc.gov...]
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:57:23pm |
sorry I haven't been around much today ... I've been working on my caucasion dialect ...
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:57:29pm |
re: #434 wozzablog
I would almost always go for the latter, but my first check would be for freshness. That's done with the nose.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:57:56pm |
re: #426 Thanos
Antibiotics in general? I presume you mean 'antibiotics in livestock'. In that case, I'd throw back and see a study. There are alot of factors that go into that (ie resistance)... and there's also the use of antibiotics as growth promoters. Higher productivity is certainly good, but is it saving lives directly?
You're taking 2 exceptionally complex issues and simplifying them terribly.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:58:06pm |
re: #385 Obdicut
No, I have not said I'd be proven right. I would be ecstatic to be proven wrong. What I have said is there is no studies done that prove me wrong right now.
And while I thank you for the link, it really doesn't say much does it?
Would you feel better if I said it was my hypothesis rather then my opinion? :)
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:58:27pm |
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:58:44pm |
re: #434 wozzablog
just asking a question here - if you were faced with a choice of two meats (the same price) one beiing organic and one being antibiotically farmed and intensively reared... which would you choose?
just asking a question here- wtf is organic meat? (back off sattv)
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:59:22pm |
re: #364 Walter L. Newton
Scary... ok... this past Friday night I was on the closing shift. Part of my duties is to walk the store after we lock the front door to make sure we have no customers lingering or lurking in the store. I pass the used toy department, and some friggin toy is talking away, so i turn it off... I'm walking away and suddenly it say "turn me back on Walter, turn me back on..."
I clocked out.
Spooky.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:59:31pm |
re: #428 ggt
OMG! Have fun, and get to the range.
Put 100 158 grain LRN's down range today. Wish I'd had more with me... ;) Still getting used to it but it's really quite nice & the Hogue monogrip really shines too.
William
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:59:38pm |
re: #440 Kewalo
heh I'm starting to think that we're hitting an insoluble problem (and note I don't agree with you totally :p)
People are reacting to a stereotype of the 'all organic foods homeopath hippie' and not any specific arguments in this thread >
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:59:43pm |
re: #437 _RememberTonyC
sorry I haven't been around much today ... I've been working on my caucasion dialect ...
word.
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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 11, 2010 5:59:46pm |
re: #437 _RememberTonyC
sorry I haven't been around much today ... I've been working on my caucasion dialect ...
It's hard to make a great entrance. Well done sir.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:00:18pm |
re: #437 _RememberTonyC
sorry I haven't been around much today ... I've been working on my caucasion dialect ...
What the heck happened to the Pats?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:00:33pm |
re: #434 wozzablog
Until resistence sets in.
Over reliance on antibiotics prescribed for headcolds and the like - combined with antibiotics in the food supply are making human bodies more resistent to them than we need to be.
just asking a question here - if you were faced with a choice of two meats (the same price) one beiing organic and one being antibiotically farmed and intensively reared... which would you choose?
How much does each of them cost? I need that info before I can answer.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:00:50pm |
re: #431 Kewalo
No obsession with puberty except as a sign that something is not right. If we owe our children anything it is healthy food and water. And if there is so much data proving me so wrong where the hell is it?
And really, if you are going to debate anyone here, at least do so honestly. You have spent the last hour obfuscating, avoiding and playing "dumb." I suspect you have no clue on how you are coming across on my side of the monitor, but I have been reading your comments for the last hour or so, and you are purposely being vague and obtuse.
Answer the fucking questions honestly, why don't you?
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:01:01pm |
re: #439 windsagio
Antibiotics in general? I presume you mean 'antibiotics in livestock'. In that case, I'd throw back and see a study. There are alot of factors that go into that (ie resistance)... and there's also the use of antibiotics as growth promoters. Higher productivity is certainly good, but is it saving lives directly?
You're taking 2 exceptionally complex issues and simplifying them terribly.
Everything is multiplex, not complex; but if we are to communicate at all we have to keep some things basic. I'm speaking of antibiotics in beef. Simply the fact that more cows survive, making the cost of all proteins lower for consumers means that some get a balanced diet that they otherwise would not get.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:01:27pm |
re: #418 Thanos
We've got to get back to the land
And set our souls free...
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:01:32pm |
re: #448 HoosierHoops
What the heck happened to the Pats?
remember chernobyl? yesterday was chernobyl II
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:01:53pm |
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:02:49pm |
re: #451 Thanos
well except that in the US we eat way more meat than we should.
What about the antibiotic-resistance issue? Where do you come down on that?
also, lol semantics ('multiplex').
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:03:06pm |
re: #445 windsagio
heh I'm starting to think that we're hitting an insoluble problem (and note I don't agree with you totally :p)
People are reacting to a stereotype of the 'all organic foods homeopath hippie' and not any specific arguments in this thread >
Not "all organic foods homeopath hippie", but ignorant. Ignorance that can affect us all and is a real threat to this country --a more real and present danger than unproven assertions about the food supply or medical technology.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:03:06pm |
re: #419 Walter L. Newton
I hired an ARC workshop once to put together some displays a few years ago. Several of the ladies who work there go to my Church (mostly Down Syndrome), they're in the "Sunshine Class".
There's a dozen or so of them, every couple of years, one of the ladies will pass away. My Church mourns like at no other time. We so love our Sunshine girls.
I learned an admiration for the "regular" folks that worked with them. Takes patience that I can not fathom.
I will go out on a limb and state a declarative, No human on earth has the capacity to hug better than someone with Downs.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:03:15pm |
re: #453 _RememberTonyC
remember chernobyl? yesterday was chernobyl II
I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling about playing the Ravens Sunday...
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:03:29pm |
re: #450 Walter L. Newton
Hi ya, Walter. I have heard that the drought in CO has abated, I guess as of this time last year. So, we are think of a trip to Dillon in the summer. Does the lake look good? I understand it is under ice and snow at the moment.
FWIW, I don't think vaccines cause autism.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:03:37pm |
re: #450 Walter L. Newton
the one thing he SHOULD answer is the stupid vaccine thing.
Yes its a dirty McCarthyite trick, on the other hand. Dirty McCarthyite tricks work, and its not hard to answer :p
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:03:39pm |
re: #440 Kewalo
No, I have not said I'd be proven right. I would be ecstatic to be proven wrong. What I have said is there is no studies done that prove me wrong right now.
And while I thank you for the link, it really doesn't say much does it?
Would you feel better if I said it was my hypothesis rather then my opinion? :)
I would suggest ALL LIZARDS ignore Kewalo until he does a little research... here, start below...
Vaccines didn't cause autism, court rules
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
[Link: specialchildren.about.com...]
[Link: discovermagazine.com...]
[Link: articles.latimes.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:04:18pm |
re: #445 windsagio
heh I'm starting to think that we're hitting an insoluble problem (and note I don't agree with you totally :p)
People are reacting to a stereotype of the 'all organic foods homeopath hippie' and not any specific arguments in this thread >
This can happen. Its a byproduct of the Culture War. People assume that someone of certain tastes holds certain political views. Moreover, the stuff you hinted at about Israel yesterday may also have served to make people suspicious.
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Soap_Man Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:04:36pm |
re: #450 Walter L. Newton
And really, if you are going to debate anyone here, at least do so honestly. You have spent the last hour obfuscating, avoiding and playing "dumb." I suspect you have no clue on how you are coming across on my side of the monitor, but I have been reading your comments for the last hour or so, and you are purposely being vague and obtuse.
Answer the fucking questions honestly, why don't you?
I regret that I have but one upding to give for that comment.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:04:43pm |
re: #459 HoosierHoops
I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling about playing the Ravens Sunday...
they are nasty .... but I like the colts to win
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:05:27pm |
re: #460 prairiefire
Hi ya, Walter. I have heard that the drought in CO has abated, I guess as of this time last year. So, we are think of a trip to Dillon in the summer. Does the lake look good? I understand it is under ice and snow at the moment.
FWIW, I don't think vaccines cause autism.
I'm not near Lake Dillion, can't answer your question. If you do get this way, email me (click on my name, go to my website and email), maybe you can stop in for a few hours.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:05:37pm |
re: #442 brookly red
[Link: www.ota.com...]
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:06:11pm |
re: #441 Decatur Deb
This is thrown by cheese:
[Video]
That looks as much fun as a barrel-full of monkey on crack cocaine.
There's actually a guy wearing a horse's head at 2:05.
I wonder what's in their water?
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:06:56pm |
re: #456 windsagio
I'm not seeing the ignorance.
To to back to the DDT example:
At first we thought it was a cure-all, and harmless.
Then we found out that it did some pretty bad harms to the environment.
Now we're becoming reasonable and saying there are some allowable uses for it, just not the crazy mass-dusting deal.
I'm hoping that we can skip from stage 1 to stage 3 here. They're not all bad, obviously. But assuming that we totally understand them and they have no effect is also foolish. Certainly if (as I do) I had the money, I'd take the effort to be careful with something we simply don't understand.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:07:16pm |
re: #449 Dark_Falcon
they were the same price in the hypothetical question.....
Lets say - they were both mid priced of the similar cuts available in the supermarket.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:07:24pm |
re: #445 windsagio
heh I'm starting to think that we're hitting an insoluble problem (and note I don't agree with you totally :p)
People are reacting to a stereotype of the 'all organic foods homeopath hippie' and not any specific arguments in this thread >
Precisely because that mosh pit is what has been proposed. We've wandered all over the map in this discussion just trying to get to "what", but K is not providing a what but rather a spectrum of unknowns that cause her to leap to wild assumptions. Again, the crime rates have gone pretty consistently down, including the sex crimes she mentioned, and the age of puberty has been normed with better data than the one study in the UK in the sixties. The premises she started from to make her wild assertions were wrong from the start.
There is a sane manner to make these arguments.
E.G. We know that some pesticides can change sex in frogs when they get caught in the runoff, just as naturally occurring PH imbalances can.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:07:34pm |
re: #458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hired an ARC workshop once to put together some displays a few years ago. Several of the ladies who work there go to my Church (mostly Down Syndrome), they're in the "Sunshine Class".
There's a dozen or so of them, every couple of years, one of the ladies will pass away. My Church mourns like at no other time. We so love our Sunshine girls.
I learned an admiration for the "regular" folks that worked with them. Takes patience that I can not fathom.
I will go out on a limb and state a declarative, No human on earth has the capacity to hug better than someone with Downs.
And like I said above, ARC has different programs in different states. In Colorado, the ARC thrift stores are the main focus. We have 17 supermarket sized stores. In other states they have no stores but other fund raising programs and educational programs.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:08:38pm |
re: #468 ryannon
That looks as much fun as a barrel-full of monkey on crack cocaine.
There's actually a guy wearing a horse's head at 2:05.
I wonder what's in their water?
I didn't find a good video of a different cheese race using 50+ lb wheels. They produce a lot of injuries.
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:09:01pm |
re: #452 Spare O'Lake
We've got to get back to the land
And set our souls free...
With antibiotics and growth hormones.
/
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:09:15pm |
re: #466 Walter L. Newton
Thanks very much for the invite! I will keep that in mind as we plan our trip. My bot hasn't seen the mountains yet.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:09:27pm |
re: #470 wozzablog
they were the same price in the hypothetical question...
Lets say - they were both mid priced of the similar cuts available in the supermarket.
Probably the organic cuts then. My parents favor them. I can't cook a steak myself, so the meat would be for them to cook.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:09:28pm |
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:10:13pm |
re: #471 Thanos
I suppose thats the problem then. I'm hitting of specific subset of what Kewalo was saying, not the whole shuck'n'jive.
Alot of that stuff is unsupportable, I agree.
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jaunte Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:10:15pm |
Price is always a factor.
Whole Foods, the largest U.S. natural foods and organic retailer, said the single factor preventing it from carrying the specialty meat in all its 150 stores is that it can't find a single supplier large enough.Organic beef costs between $4 and $6 a pound, about double that of conventional ground beef.
"I think price is the single biggest impediment to more people choosing organic," said Sonja Tuitele, a spokeswoman with Wild Oats Markets Inc. [Link: www.organicconsumers.org...]
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:11:31pm |
re: #462 Walter L. NewtonI would suggest ALL LIZARDS ignore Kewalo until he does a little research... here, start below...
The offensive behaviour needs to be corrected.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:12:01pm |
re: #458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hired an ARC workshop once to put together some displays a few years ago. Several of the ladies who work there go to my Church (mostly Down Syndrome), they're in the "Sunshine Class".
There's a dozen or so of them, every couple of years, one of the ladies will pass away. My Church mourns like at no other time. We so love our Sunshine girls.
I learned an admiration for the "regular" folks that worked with them. Takes patience that I can not fathom.
I will go out on a limb and state a declarative, No human on earth has the capacity to hug better than someone with Downs.
I agree, but my son with autism is a close second!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:12:15pm |
I gotta go for a while, again.
Have a great evening Lizards!
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:12:28pm |
re: #478 windsagio
I suppose thats the problem then. I'm hitting of specific subset of what Kewalo was saying, not the whole shuck'n'jive.
Alot of that stuff is unsupportable, I agree.
You can convince me that non anti biotic beef is better for me if you supply some good studies or data, I'm only a butthead when it comes to being factual.
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:13:28pm |
re: #477 wozzablog
I'm sorry, that gives me quite a chuckle! I discovered german beer at my time over there for school and I have not looked back.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:13:30pm |
re: #480 Spare O'Lake
I would suggest ALL LIZARDS ignore Kewalo AND Spare O'Lake... :)
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:13:58pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:14:05pm |
re: #261 Rightwingconspirator
Last I knew, Charles had eliminated the 50 comment requirement to ding!
She should check it out! Glad she finally got in!
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:14:34pm |
re: #458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hired an ARC workshop once to put together some displays a few years ago. Several of the ladies who work there go to my Church (mostly Down Syndrome), they're in the "Sunshine Class".
There's a dozen or so of them, every couple of years, one of the ladies will pass away. My Church mourns like at no other time. We so love our Sunshine girls.
I learned an admiration for the "regular" folks that worked with them. Takes patience that I can not fathom.
I will go out on a limb and state a declarative, No human on earth has the capacity to hug better than someone with Downs.
I can't help thinking of/linking to this music video by Sigur Ros:
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:14:50pm |
re: #484 Thanos
well thats my problem. I can't think of any real studies that show its better or worse. Its simply too complex (or multiplex, if you prefer :p).
I'll be the first to admit, that in my own life I don't worry about it that much. When I have kids, I'll be a bit more careful with them than I am with myself (presuming I can afford the crap, its freakin' expensive).
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:15:16pm |
re: #486 Walter L. Newton
sigh, thats kinda ugly man, even in jest :p
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:16:12pm |
re: #418 Thanos
Here is my original post:
I think there is more weird crimes and although everyone thinks I'm nuts I think it has to do with all the crap that's in our water and food. I saw a show years ago about a small country (Puerto Rico I think) where the little girls were maturing very young, like about 8 yrs old. It turned out it was caused by the hormones that they fed the chickens to make them grow faster.
Our water if full of medications, hormones and God knows what else. How could it not effect us? And who knows what they are feeding livestock these days.
IMO we should have zero tolerance for dirty water, but how are we to know?
Now maybe you think I'm being paranoid, but then you've been insulting me for awhile now, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt. I stand by my post. If a small amount of a substance can stop a birth defect why can't a small amount of something else start one. It's just the other side of the issue. And how do we really know when problems with the brain start? It sounds to me like you have just closed your mind to the problem.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:16:20pm |
re: #491 windsagio
sigh, thats kinda ugly man, even in jest :p
Well I'm gonna ignore all of you!
actually, I'll bbl
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:16:28pm |
re: #488 Floral Giraffe
Hi Floral. I mentioned that, but read his #278. Hope all is well in beautiful Cali.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:17:34pm |
re: #290 Cathypop
Be patient, wait for spring, it may only have frozen to ground level & the roots may still be alive. Don't be too quick to rip it out.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:17:51pm |
can i ignore myself?
wheres my boycot?..........
do i have to be left out?...........
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:18:01pm |
re: #488 Floral Giraffe
Last I knew, Charles had eliminated the 50 comment requirement to ding!
She should check it out! Glad she finally got in!
Good evening young lady..Hope today finds you well and happy
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:18:03pm |
re: #492 Kewalo
zero-tolerance is totally impossible. Beyond that, the water impurities are trace at best.
As a general rule the potential harms aren't worth the massive cost fixing it would entail. Already we have a number of rules in healthcare about med disposal at such to control the contamination issues.
Again, its all about rational risk-analysis.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:19:28pm |
re: #421 windsagio
I'm a she LOL.
I may go too far. But I also don't think we should hide from the fact that more and more pollution is getting to us and may be causing more harm then we know.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:19:34pm |
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:19:39pm |
re: #470 wozzablog
they were the same price in the hypothetical question...
Lets say - they were both mid priced of the similar cuts available in the supermarket.
And one animal was butchered by an order of French Celestinian Nuns and the other by genocidal Hutus?
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:20:31pm |
re: #496 wozzablog
can i ignore myself?
/put your thumb & forefingers together & go Ommmmmm
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:20:53pm |
re: #496 wozzablog
Aww. I'll ignore you, {Wozzy}. Feel better?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:21:10pm |
re: #491 windsagio
sigh, thats kinda ugly man, even in jest :p
Spare O'Lake up dinged me. I think we understand each other a bit better than you do... ok. No problem. SOL and I are always batting at each other. Rarely do either of us go into total "death to the..." mode.
Chill.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:21:26pm |
re: #492 Kewalo
And I'm saying your post is full of falsity. 8 yr old is not abnormal for that population group as confirmed by medical authorities, the previous studies and numbers that established the "norm" were wrong and doubly wrong due to genetic factors for Puerto Rico. Crime rates, including "weird ones" are going down. See the FBI data link.
As to the rest I recommend you get a water filter and calm down.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:21:33pm |
re: #486 Walter L. Newton
I would suggest ALL LIZARDS ignore Kewalo AND Spare O'Lake... :)
Why would you want to ignore me? I haven't been rude to anyone or called them paranoid or anything. Is there a partyline here that I've crossed or something?
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:21:42pm |
re: #473 Decatur Deb
I didn't find a good video of a different cheese race using 50+ lb wheels. They produce a lot of injuries.
Those videos are generally sold under the counter.
It's a niche market, to be sure.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:22:36pm |
What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.
Go ahead. Give me that genetically modified food. I'll eat the beef with the Prions in it. I love breathing smog. I shit out carcinogens.
*puffs out chest*
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:23:21pm |
re: #499 Kewalo
eeh, I tend to use the generic he unless I know for sure. In general the rule is 'its a man until you see them in person', but it seems to be polite to take people at their words ;) I'll remember you're a she in the future :P
re: #500 Spare O'Lake
... I'd rather not say. I like my nuts.
re: #504 Walter L. Newton
TBH, I wanted to reply to your first suggestion, but I got distracted discussing things with Thanos and missed the response window. So I just hit it the second time~
Its not up to you to tell people to ignore someone (Kewalo).
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:23:55pm |
re: #509 Racer X
No one's going to give a fly fook until you start pissing out gasoline.
| 512 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:24:03pm |
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Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:24:11pm |
re: #507 ryannon
Those videos are generally sold under the counter.
It's a niche market, to be sure.
Nah. You just have to set your Google preferences to "Allow Git Mayhem".
[Link: cnettv.cnet.com...]
| 514 |
windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:24:22pm |
re: #509 Racer X
wait till you hear about how they're putting clay nanoparticles in your beer to preserve its head!
(actually thats cool rather than scary, but its interesting!)
| 515 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:24:23pm |
re: #511 Slumbering Behemoth
Then there will be a toilet tax.........
| 516 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:24:34pm |
re: #486 Walter L. Newton
I would suggest ALL LIZARDS ignore Kewalo AND Spare O'Lake... :)
No TRUE LIZARD....
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:24:49pm |
re: #506 Kewalo
Why would you want to ignore me? I haven't been rude to anyone or called them paranoid or anything. Is there a partyline here that I've crossed or something?
This is a very hostile room for anti-vaxers. People have been banned for spouting anti-vaccine propaganda here.
| 518 |
Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:25:18pm |
re: #450 Walter L. Newton
And really, if you are going to debate anyone here, at least do so honestly. You have spent the last hour obfuscating, avoiding and playing "dumb." I suspect you have no clue on how you are coming across on my side of the monitor, but I have been reading your comments for the last hour or so, and you are purposely being vague and obtuse.
Answer the fucking questions honestly, why don't you?
Oh, I just read this. I'm not playing "dumb" I gave my opinion and when asked I tried to explain what I meant. I guess I don't have a clue how I'm coming across. Why don't you explain?
| 519 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:25:20pm |
| 520 |
windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:25:38pm |
re: #517 Dark_Falcon
actually did Kewalo ever take an anti-vax position? AFAIK she (see? I remembered!) just ignored the question.
| 521 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:25:40pm |
re: #511 Slumbering Behemoth
No one's going to give a fly fook until you start pissing out gasoline.
I'm workin on it man. My colon can only crack so much crude. So far I only get methane.
*poot*
| 522 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:25:40pm |
| 523 |
Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:25:52pm |
re: #517 Dark_Falcon
This is a very hostile room for anti-vaxers. People have been banned for spouting anti-vaccine propaganda here.
She said she wasn't when I finally got her to answer. So please don't carry that forward.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:25:56pm |
re: #509 Racer X
What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.
Go ahead. Give me that genetically modified food. I'll eat the beef with the Prions in it. I love breathing smog. I shit out carcinogens.
*puffs out chest*
here, have some Velveeta....re: #512 wozzablog
re: #502 brookly red
thanks guys, knew i could count of some of you to not make me feel left out :-)
/ now isn't it time for you to buy us another round?
| 525 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:26:07pm |
re: #506 Kewalo
the partyline is 1-800-lgf-rulez...........all the hottest of us are there.....
unless i've got the number wrong.............
| 526 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:26:29pm |
re: #512 wozzablog
I wish my ex-girlfriends were more like you.
/
| 528 |
windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:26:41pm |
re: #523 Thanos
Oh I missed that. Damn threads go so fast >
| 529 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:26:59pm |
re: #519 Slumbering Behemoth
Nah, I'm thinking a higher beer tax.
that freakin tears it, where did I put that bloody musket!
| 530 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:27:49pm |
I prefer, other than by a chosen few, to be ignored
| 531 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:27:52pm |
re: #506 Kewalo
Why would you want to ignore me? I haven't been rude to anyone or called them paranoid or anything. Is there a partyline here that I've crossed or something?
No, you've not been a bit rude.
Just seem to be somewhat resistant to becoming informed.
| 532 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:27:54pm |
re: #529 brookly red
Bitter Beer Clinger!
| 533 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:28:00pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:28:27pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:28:40pm |
re: #510 windsagio
I can do what the fuck I want to do. And if Kewalo doesn't like it, she can tell me. Who the hell made you thread police? Sorry Charlie, this is not always "can't we all get along" whether you like it or not.
I have asked Kewalo questions and she has refused to answer them, I have linked to 5 articles that explain the lack of evidence between vaccines and autism and she has refuse to even acknowledge that she saw the links and she has been avoiding honestly debating Thanos and others.
I have every fucking right to state my opinion.
| 537 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:28:42pm |
re: #523 Thanos
She said she wasn't when I finally got her to answer. So please don't carry that forward.
Understood. If she's not, then she has nothing to worry about from me.
| 538 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:29:04pm |
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:29:14pm |
re: #427 windsagio
Lol, I HATE the Vaccine idea. Just want to make it absolutely clear. I have an older brother whose Autistic, and I work in health care. Those nutjobs (RFK Jr. Can metaphorically die!) really make me crazy.
As to the other thing... Unfortunately, we're talking about a very complex area. Its almost impossible to isolate these kind of things for independent study. On the other hand, ask people who have been through Endicrinology classes recently, and ask what they think about the growth hormone subject.
Unfortunately the subject isn't something that can be proven either way at this point.
Exactly! As far as I can tell, while there is some research going on, there's not enough IMO.
I'm sorry about your brother. I'm very lucky that we don't have it in our family. What do you think of the idea that autistic children are mostly born to educated women?
| 542 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:29:35pm |
| 543 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:29:36pm |
re: #530 albusteve
I prefer, other than by a chosen few, to be ignored
Who in the hell is albusteve?
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:29:57pm |
re: #509 Racer X
What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.
Go ahead. Give me that genetically modified food. I'll eat the beef with the Prions in it. I love breathing smog. I shit out carcinogens.
*puffs out chest*
Lungs explode.
| 545 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:30:07pm |
re: #485 prairiefire
You discovered beer at school........... ;-)
woot!
German beers are prety darn good.
| 546 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:30:38pm |
| 547 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:30:43pm |
re: #535 reine.de.tout
Only at weekends........... and even then only in niche chatrooms.........
| 548 |
windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:31:00pm |
re: #540 Kewalo
Oh man, the stories I could tell you! I had an... interesting childhood ;)
| 549 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:31:42pm |
| 550 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:31:50pm |
re: #547 wozzablog
Wait, you work with Chris Hansen?
| 551 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:31:56pm |
href="/showc/546/8014201">#546 HoosierHoops
Hi Ludwig!
Hey Hoops, always a pleasure!
| 552 |
windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:32:22pm |
re: #536 Walter L. Newton
You were telling people to ignore her. Thats alot more than 'stating your opinion', man. People can ignore her if they want (and lol@at calling someone else thread police when you're trying to suppress someone)
| 553 |
Jolo5309 Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:32:27pm |
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:33:16pm |
re: #514 windsagio
wait till you hear about how they're putting clay nanoparticles in your beer to preserve its head!
(actually thats cool rather than scary, but its interesting!)
With Brooklyn accent:
Poisonally, I find that more scary than cool.
| 555 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:33:27pm |
re: #552 windsagio
You were telling people to ignore her. Thats alot more than 'stating your opinion', man. People can ignore her if they want (and lol@at calling someone else thread police when you're trying to suppress someone)
Yawn.
| 556 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:33:28pm |
re: #550 Slumbering Behemoth
Had to google him............
No - my contract says i have never met him.....
| 557 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:33:28pm |
re: #552 windsagio
You were telling people to ignore her. Thats alot more than 'stating your opinion', man. People can ignore her if they want (and lol@at calling someone else thread police when you're trying to suppress someone)
it's for their own good...Walters doing him a favor
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:34:45pm |
re: #551 LudwigVanQuixote
href="/showc/546/8014201">#546 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops, always a pleasure!
Did you hear I'm being transfered to Singapore this year...
Hopefully ESPN over there is not in Chinese....
| 559 |
windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:34:45pm |
re: #557 albusteve
it's for their own good...Walters doing him a favor
heh I trust people on here enough to think that they don't need to be protected from anyone.
| 560 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:34:47pm |
re: #554 ryannon
With Brooklyn accent:
Poisonally, I find that more scary than cool.
Poisonally I don't want no kitty litter in my brew...
| 561 |
Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:34:56pm |
re: #462 Walter L. Newton
I would suggest ALL LIZARDS ignore Kewalo until he does a little research... here, start below...
Vaccines didn't cause autism, court rules
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
[Link: specialchildren.about.com...]
[Link: discovermagazine.com...]
[Link: articles.latimes.com...]
What is going on here? I never said I thought that autism was caused by vaccines. I know darn well you can read Walter, so why are you making an issue out of vaccines?
My premise is that I think that autism might very well be started in the womb and be a weird type of birth defect in the brain.
I don't know how the vaccine subject came up but I didn't think I had to answer every question that was asked of me since it had nothing to do with what I was concerned about which was food and water.
| 562 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:35:18pm |
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:35:57pm |
Wow - you want to know the real badness? Previously Dr's were giving hormone shots to very young girls to delay the onset of what was back then declared "early puberty" when 15 percent of the population shows signs as early as 8.
The new guidelines, developed by the Lawson Wilkins Pediatric Endocrine Society and published in the journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, Pediatrics, are based primarily on a study of more than 17,000 girls between the ages of three and 12 who were patients in more than 200 pediatricians’ offices across the country (Herman-Giddens, et al., 1997). The study, by Marcia Herman-Giddens, DrPH, and her colleagues at University of North Carolina School of Public Health, is unique, making it difficult to know exactly how the age of breast and pubic hair development has changed over time. Previous standards of "normal puberty" were set more than 30 years ago, based on a study of less than 200 girls in a British orphanage in the 1960s (Marshall and Tanner 1969).
[Link: www.center4research.org...]
| 564 |
prairiefire Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:36:23pm |
Awesome bio about Sam Cooke tonight on American Masters on PBS. Cool
| 565 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:36:30pm |
re: #506 Kewalo
Why would you want to ignore me? I haven't been rude to anyone or called them paranoid or anything. Is there a partyline here that I've crossed or something?
If we do not toe the line around here we get sent to Lizard Bible Camp.
| 566 |
Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:37:10pm |
The stupid continues at Drudge. This time they have some text over two mugs of Harry Reid:
At the height of battle, fresh-faced Senate Majority Leader looks stress-free, scrubbed, smooth and 20 years younger! The dramatic new before and after photos of the 70-year old show a change you can believe in! It appears the Nevada elder is trying to keep up with the House Speaker on more than just healthcare bills...
Kind of dovetails with their linking to Inforwars.
| 567 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:37:18pm |
re: #558 HoosierHoops
Did you hear I'm being transfered to Singapore this year...
Hopefully ESPN over there is not in Chinese...
I did not hear that, but congratulations! It should be a marvelous adventure.
| 568 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:37:45pm |
| 569 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:37:46pm |
Man, this planet just get's weirder every day.
| 570 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:37:49pm |
re: #559 windsagio
heh I trust people on here enough to think that they don't need to be protected from anyone.
then why are you doing exactly that?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:38:00pm |
re: #561 Kewalo
What is going on here? I never said I thought that autism was caused by vaccines. I know darn well you can read Walter, so why are you making an issue out of vaccines?
My premise is that I think that autism might very well be started in the womb and be a weird type of birth defect in the brain.
I don't know how the vaccine subject came up but I didn't think I had to answer every question that was asked of me since it had nothing to do with what I was concerned about which was food and water.
It's been hard to understand what you have said in response to other comments.
It was certainly not clear to me, up to the comment above, what your opinion was on this subject.
On that note, then I apologize. I know your position, that's all I was interested in.
| 572 |
windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:38:01pm |
re: #560 brookly red
The nanoparticle thing is cool as hell!
Note: I think they're great (at least within reason :p)
some links tho:
[Link: www.scientificamerican.com...]
(note the reporter with the awesome name "Ian Illuminato")
[Link: www.foodproductiondaily.com...]
True food-purity nuts are pretty maddening tho'.
| 573 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:39:24pm |
re: #558 HoosierHoops
Did you hear I'm being transfered to Singapore this year...
Hopefully ESPN over there is not in Chinese...
美国人胜利! 美国人胜利!
(Yankees win! theeeeee Yankees win!) LOL
| 574 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:39:34pm |
re: #517 Dark_Falcon
This is a very hostile room for anti-vaxers. People have been banned for spouting anti-vaccine propaganda here.
Maybe I'm not paying attention, but I haven't seen anyone suggesting the contrary here (pro-anti-vaxing).
And were I challenged in such a hard-nosed way to give a 'yes/no' response, I'd be a lot less polite about it than what I've seen so far. Which is to say that like most people, I react badly to bullying and coercion.
| 575 |
lawhawk Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:39:50pm |
Well, China is at it again. Seems that a bunch of jewelry they have distributed around the world, and to the US is contaminated. This time, it is cadmium, which can cause all manner of mental defect and can cause cancer.
A day after The Associated Press documented the contamination in an investigative report, the top U.S. consumer safety regulator warned Asian manufacturers not to substitute other toxins for lead in children's charm bracelets and pendants.Regulators and lawmakers reacted swiftly to the AP report, which found that some Chinese manufacturers have been using cadmium, sometimes at extraordinarily high levels. Congress clamped down on lead in those products in 2008, but cadmium is even more harmful.
Melissa Hill, a spokeswoman for Wal-Mart Stores Inc., called the AP findings "troubling." She said the company, which is the world's largest retailer, had a special responsibility "to take swift action, and we are doing so."
Members of Congress voiced anger about the imports. Sen. Bill Nelson, a Florida Democrat, said he's reviewing the law that regulates such substances to decide if a fix is needed.
"Parents will be outraged to learn certain jewelry makers overseas thought they could pull a fast one at the expense of our kids' safety," said Democratic Sen. Mark Pryor of Arkansas, who has championed stronger rules for children's products.
Cadmium, which is known to cause cancer, is a soft, whitish metal that occurs naturally in soil. It's perhaps best known as half of rechargeable nickel-cadmium batteries, but also is used in pigments, electroplating and plastic.
| 576 |
Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:39:57pm |
re: #566 Gus 802
Sorry Gus, missing that connection? It's always been the norm at Drudge to kick a Dem when they are down, the Alex Jones Link thing is new however.
| 577 |
windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:40:10pm |
re: #570 albusteve
Man, you living in a mirror universe? I'm not telling people to ignore someone.
| 578 |
Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:40:47pm |
re: #445 windsagio
heh I'm starting to think that we're hitting an insoluble problem (and note I don't agree with you totally :p)
People are reacting to a stereotype of the 'all organic foods homeopath hippie' and not any specific arguments in this thread >
I knew not everyone would agree with me. But I have been stunned by the hostility from some people.
And what's funny is that the organic food, ect. is just an assumption based on one link. At no time have I brought it up or commented on it.
| 579 |
ILoveIsrael Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:40:47pm |
Would anyone care to offer his or her opinion about Obama's political survivability given a successful nuclear weapons test by Iran?
| 580 |
Gus Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:40:54pm |
re: #576 Thanos
Sorry Gus, missing that connection? It's always been the norm at Drudge to kick a Dem when they are down, the Alex Jones Link thing is new however.
I've been visiting Drudge for years. Never saw anything this dumb.
| 581 |
windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:41:18pm |
re: #575 lawhawk
You know how it it'll be... Show trial, execute one or 2 unlucky officials, then back to business as usual (maybe a waiting period before things get as bad again).
| 582 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:41:18pm |
re: #579 ILoveIsrael
Would anyone care to offer his or her opinion about Obama's political survivability given a successful nuclear weapons test by Iran?
depends on where they test it...
| 583 |
lawhawk Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:42:40pm |
re: #574 ryannon
The science simply doesn't support the anti-vaxxer position, and the anti-vax crowd is putting lives at risk precisely because it undermines the public health benefits to the community at large for communicable diseases that are easily prevented. Resurgence of diseases like measles, whooping cough, etc. are directly attributable to the anti-vaxxer crowd and the hysterics about how vaccines supposedly cause autism (because of thimerosol, which hasn't been present in the vaccines for years, and yet rates continue rising).
| 584 |
Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:43:13pm |
re: #569 Slumbering Behemoth
Man, this planet just get's weirder every day.
Ugh, that's bad .... realll bad.. almost Shatneresque in proportion....
| 585 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:43:17pm |
| 586 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:43:42pm |
re: #575 lawhawk
Well, China is at it again. Seems that a bunch of jewelry they have distributed around the world, and to the US is contaminated. This time, it is cadmium, which can cause all manner of mental defect and can cause cancer.
Why am I not surprised?
| 587 |
windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:43:58pm |
re: #583 lawhawk
heh nobody's arguing with you.
The question as posed was a bad-faith attempt to bully/discredit what Kewalo was saying. It was totally McCarthy tactics.
| 588 |
ILoveIsrael Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:44:05pm |
re: #582 brookly red
Hahaha good point, but let's assume for the moment its somewhere far away from people, and they don't make good (not immediately) on their threat to wipe Israel off the map, but simply hang it over everybody's heads.
| 589 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:44:17pm |
re: #569 Slumbering Behemoth
Man, this planet just get's weirder every day.
Forget Mordor. Christopher Lee's greatest movie was "Serial", anti-idiotarian long before its time.
| 590 |
Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:44:35pm |
re: #580 Gus 802
Well maybe it's that Breitbart influence, I personally have detected "teh stoopid" there before, but can't remember an example off hand.
| 591 |
Jolo5309 Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:45:14pm |
re: #514 windsagio
wait till you hear about how they're putting clay nanoparticles in your beer to preserve its head!
(actually thats cool rather than scary, but its interesting!)
When you make homemade wine you add Bentonite to it to increase the clarity. Bentonite is a clay...
| 592 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:45:38pm |
re: #585 Slumbering Behemoth
and his response, I'd imagine.
I assume you did not grasp my implication....
| 593 |
windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:45:39pm |
re: #588 ILoveIsrael
My personal thought is that there won't be much impact. The people likely to freak out and blame Obama specifically already hate him.
| 594 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:47:31pm |
re: #575 lawhawk
And there you go. Fits right in with all of (some of) the above.
| 595 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:47:47pm |
re: #588 ILoveIsrael
Hahaha good point, but let's assume for the moment its somewhere far away from people, and they don't make good (not immediately) on their threat to wipe Israel off the map, but simply hang it over everybody's heads.
O is a one termer but it has nothing to do with Iran.
| 596 |
Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:48:13pm |
re: #517 Dark_Falcon
This is a very hostile room for anti-vaxers. People have been banned for spouting anti-vaccine propaganda here.
But I am not one of them. And believe me I faced some hostility before the vaccine issue came up.
| 597 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:48:52pm |
re: #440 Kewalo
No, I have not said I'd be proven right.
Oh? W hyd id you say:
I think when they finally get down to really researching it they will find it has been very dangerous.
Isn't that saying you think you'll be proven right?
Would you feel better if I said it was my hypothesis rather then my opinion? :)
No. What you've said doesn't approach a hypothesis.
I, like you, feel that pollutants in our water-- and air-- are a serious cause for concern. However, I am kind of appalled by the breeziness that you assume nobody is researching the subject, the weirdness that you consider your opinion on an objective subject to be as valid as anyone else, and your complete blithe indifference to any information that you're given that doesn't reinforce your view.
There has been no discernible increase in sex crimes, contrary to your implied claim.
There is no reason to believe that hormones in the water could possibly directly affect us, as hormones are not water-soluble.
There are plenty of much, much more hormone-affecting pollutants to worry about. Even if there were somehow a way for us to directly inject hormones from the water, they would still be transitory. However, PCBs and other nasty pollutants cause changes to our hormonal profiles; they change how our bodies produce and react to hormones. Those are far, far more dangerous than hormones.
I have no problem with you saying that the water and the air and our food need to be safeguarded. I have a problem with the mix of pseudoscience and wrong statements you're making attached to that view, because I feel it weakens the argument.
| 598 |
ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:49:08pm |
re: #579 ILoveIsrael
Would anyone care to offer his or her opinion about Obama's political survivability given a successful nuclear weapons test by Iran?
It's Bush's fault, not his.
| 599 |
ILoveIsrael Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:49:25pm |
re: #592 brookly red
Once they have it, it's too late. Unless he can destroy their nuclear infrastructure and existing weapons, but that's unlikely. Just look at what's going on with N. Korea. A strong response would not be an available option.
| 600 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:49:58pm |
re: #494 prairiefire
LOL!
It's sometimes really hard, to jump into the middle of a thread!
I saw your post later!
Nice & warm here today.
| 601 |
Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:50:03pm |
re: #531 reine.de.tout
No, you've not been a bit rude.
Just seem to be somewhat resistant to becoming informed.
Oh? You have some kind of data that would show that what is in our food and water isn't harming us? Because if you have I'd love to see it.
| 602 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:50:06pm |
re: #589 Decatur Deb
Excuse NSFW. Thought that was the commercial trailer.
| 605 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:52:41pm |
re: #599 ILoveIsrael
Once they have it, it's too late. Unless he can destroy their nuclear infrastructure and existing weapons, but that's unlikely. Just look at what's going on with N. Korea. A strong response would not be an available option.
re: Once they have it, it's too late Yes. But I am pretty sure that is not going to happen... nothing I care to discuss though, if you know what I mean.
| 606 |
Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:53:10pm |
re: #587 windsagio
heh nobody's arguing with you.
The question as posed was a bad-faith attempt to bully/discredit what Kewalo was saying. It was totally McCarthy tactics.
No it was a simple question with a simple answer that got dodged for two whole eternities. "Are you an antivaxxer" becomes valid inquiry when your nose gets rubbed in several facts and you continue to make nonsense statements. It's a way to see how far down the natural food / homeopathic cure / vaccines / science / modern agriculture=bad curve you have marched. If you answer yes to the Jim Carry q, then I assume further discussion or argumentation is wholly futile.
Now are you now or have you ever been an anti vaxxer. This is going on record....
///
| 607 |
brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:53:36pm |
| 608 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:53:56pm |
re: #575 lawhawk
Well, China is at it again. Seems that a bunch of jewelry they have distributed around the world, and to the US is contaminated. This time, it is cadmium, which can cause all manner of mental defect and can cause cancer.
Well there goes the Rolex knockoff.
:(
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:54:03pm |
re: #498 windsagio
zero-tolerance is totally impossible. Beyond that, the water impurities are trace at best.
As a general rule the potential harms aren't worth the massive cost fixing it would entail. Already we have a number of rules in healthcare about med disposal at such to control the contamination issues.
Again, its all about rational risk-analysis.
This is all very true. But who would have thought that such a minute amount of folic acid could change things so much for expectant mothers. That is primarily my point. It doesn't take a whole lot of anything to mess up a fetus or young child.
And while I agree zero-tolerance is impossible, if we do find out that something is causing brain defects we can do something about it.
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ILoveIsrael Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:55:31pm |
re: #598 ryannon
It's Bush's fault, not his.
Of course it's Bush's fault. But it's in Obama's hands now, and he can still do something about it. But his options do grow thinner with every passing day. There's even a good chance that strong sanctions (which are NOT being encouraged at the moment, as they're watering them down to only affect the ruling elite) will be met with harsh reaction by Iran. Contrary to what many people think, the Iranians can create some VERY SERIOUS problems for the U.S, even without a nuclear weapon.
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:56:24pm |
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:56:38pm |
re: #609 Kewalo
And while I agree zero-tolerance is impossible, if we do find out that something is causing brain defects we can do something about it.
the major networks are not going to go quietly....
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:57:07pm |
re: #609 Kewalo
So tell me how you feel about Dr's misdiagnosing "early puberty" and giving children hormone shots to delay their normal onset of puberty?
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ryannon Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:57:10pm |
re: #610 ILoveIsrael
It's Bush's fault, not his.
Of course it's Bush's fault. But it's in Obama's hands now, and he can still do something about it. But his options do grow thinner with every passing day. There's even a good chance that strong sanctions (which are NOT being encouraged at the moment, as they're watering them down to only affect the ruling elite) will be met with harsh reaction by Iran. Contrary to what many people think, the Iranians can create some VERY SERIOUS problems for the U.S, even without a nuclear weapon.
I didn't think the sarc tag was necessary.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:57:26pm |
re: #607 brookly red
Still a few years to go yet - no mainstream GOP candidate on the horizon........... and an economy thats likely to improve over the next three years.
the writing is only on the bathroom stall at the moment
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:58:36pm |
re: #615 wozzablog
Still a few years to go yet - no mainstream GOP candidate on the horizon... and an economy thats likely to improve over the next three years.
the writing is only on the bathroom stall at the moment
as you like it.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 6:59:39pm |
re: #571 Walter L. Newton
It's been hard to understand what you have said in response to other comments.
It was certainly not clear to me, up to the comment above, what your opinion was on this subject.
On that note, then I apologize. I know your position, that's all I was interested in.
That's OK...several of the posts about me have been full of assumptions rather then facts.
In case you're interested. I drink, smoke, eat meat (and love the fat) and don't exercise. And in fact as we post I'm having a Meyers and coke.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:00:32pm |
re: #618 Kewalo
That's OK...several of the posts about me have been full of assumptions rather then facts.
In case you're interested. I drink, smoke, eat meat (and love the fat) and don't exercise. And in fact as we post I'm having a Meyers and coke.
/and a pain in my left arm....
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:02:40pm |
re: #574 ryannon
Maybe I'm not paying attention, but I haven't seen anyone suggesting the contrary here (pro-anti-vaxing).
And were I challenged in such a hard-nosed way to give a 'yes/no' response, I'd be a lot less polite about it than what I've seen so far. Which is to say that like most people, I react badly to bullying and coercion.
Believe it or not that was how I felt the first time someone demanded and answer to that question. There was no reason to demand an answer since I hadn't brought up vaccines since I know it's settled science.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:04:17pm |
re: #610 ILoveIsrael
It's Bush's fault, not his.
Of course it's Bush's fault. But it's in Obama's hands now, and he can still do something about it. But his options do grow thinner with every passing day. There's even a good chance that strong sanctions (which are NOT being encouraged at the moment, as they're watering them down to only affect the ruling elite) will be met with harsh reaction by Iran. Contrary to what many people think, the Iranians can create some VERY SERIOUS problems for the U.S, even without a nuclear weapon.
the giant is slow to anger but can get really pissy if provoked.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:06:06pm |
re: #615 wozzablog
Still a few years to go yet - no mainstream GOP candidate on the horizon... and an economy thats likely to improve over the next three years.
the writing is only on the bathroom stall at the moment
Ha! You got zee crystal ball?
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:06:52pm |
re: #587 windsagio
heh nobody's arguing with you.
The question as posed was a bad-faith attempt to bully/discredit what Kewalo was saying. It was totally McCarthy tactics.
Thank you, which is exactly why I didn't answer when an answer was demanded. Childish maybe, but it really didn't have anything to do with what I was saying.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:08:43pm |
re: #623 Kewalo
I just would have done it differently.
I would have said "Of Course I don't!" And then torn his ass open for the dirty trick.
Different stroke for different folks :)
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ILoveIsrael Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:09:50pm |
re: #621 brookly red
It's Bush's fault, not his.
Of course it's Bush's fault. But it's in Obama's hands now, and he can still do something about it. But his options do grow thinner with every passing day. There's even a good chance that strong sanctions (which are NOT being encouraged at the moment, as they're watering them down to only affect the ruling elite) will be met with harsh reaction by Iran. Contrary to what many people think, the Iranians can create some VERY SERIOUS problems for the U.S, even without a nuclear weapon.
the giant is slow to anger but can get really pissy if provoked.
~40% of the world's oil passes through the Straits of Hormuz. Iran controls that passage. They don't need a powerful navy, just a swarm of small motor boats, laying a bunch of mines in the sea lanes. All you need is to hit one tanker to cause mass panic. Forget economic recovery. To my understanding, the U.S. Navy is not equipped to handle a guerrilla navy consisting of small motorboats. Even if they interdict 90% of them, we could end up in a whole boatload of ****
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:11:38pm |
re: #611 ryannon
We don't want yer stinkin' iodized salt.
(Retracts head into goiter)
LOL I had an aunt with a goiter and clearly remember my mother going after me for staring at her. They are ugly.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:13:04pm |
re: #612 brookly red
And while I agree zero-tolerance is impossible, if we do find out that something is causing brain defects we can do something about it.
the major networks are not going to go quietly...
Dang! And I was hoping the research would do it. Fat chance I guess.
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The Left Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:15:06pm |
re: #624 windsagio
re: #623 Kewalo
I find both techniques useful at different times. It's generally good policy to ignore extraneous demands, particularly when answering means allowing the thread to be derailed and degenerate into 'let's pile on poster x'!
And then again, sometimes people need a good thumpin'. :-)
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:15:32pm |
re: #613 Thanos
So tell me how you feel about Dr's misdiagnosing "early puberty" and giving children hormone shots to delay their normal onset of puberty?
I'd be afraid of unintended consequences. I'm lucky I'm not a parent that ever had to face that. But it isn't something I've given a whole lot of thought.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:21:23pm |
re: #548 windsagio
I'll just bet you have some family stories. And I'll just bet you can find another adjective besides "interesting" too.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:21:34pm |
re: #625 ILoveIsrael
~40% of the world's oil passes through the Straits of Hormuz. Iran controls that passage. They don't need a powerful navy, just a swarm of small motor boats, laying a bunch of mines in the sea lanes. All you need is to hit one tanker to cause mass panic. Forget economic recovery. To my understanding, the U.S. Navy is not equipped to handle a guerrilla navy consisting of small motorboats. Even if they interdict 90% of them, we could end up in a whole boatload of ***
Iran does not even come close to controlling the Straits of Hormuz. Of course they would create some problems and might get lucky here and there, but for the most part they would be almost completely neutralised in the opening hours of any real conflict.
Do not underestimate the power of the US Airforce and Navy.
| 632 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:22:33pm |
re: #589 Decatur Deb
Here's another great cinematic moment of anti-idiotarianism feat. Christopher Lee. From "The Horror Express".
| 633 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:23:56pm |
re: #592 brookly red
I assume you did not grasp my implication...
I grasped it perfectly well, I think.
| 634 |
Decatur Deb Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:25:05pm |
re: #632 Slumbering Behemoth
Here's another great cinematic moment of anti-idiotarianism feat. Christopher Lee. From "The Horror Express".
There must be a way to keep that in the ready-rack for the inevitable return of the ID Zombies.
| 635 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:28:33pm |
re: #634 Decatur Deb
Of course. I have it bookmarked for such occasions.
| 636 |
Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:28:52pm |
re: #624 windsagio
I just would have done it differently.
I would have said "Of Course I don't!" And then torn his ass open for the dirty trick.
Different stroke for different folks :)
To be honest I was a little stunned to face his hostility. While I can understand someone not agreeing with me, in fact I expected it, I just felt a little overwhelmed by the attack. I find the subject fascinating and have found that there are some very smart posters here, so I actually expected to hear more facts then I did.
| 637 |
ILoveIsrael Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:29:50pm |
re: #631 Bagua
~40% of the world's oil passes through the Straits of Hormuz. Iran controls that passage. They don't need a powerful navy, just a swarm of small motor boats, laying a bunch of mines in the sea lanes. All you need is to hit one tanker to cause mass panic. Forget economic recovery. To my understanding, the U.S. Navy is not equipped to handle a guerrilla navy consisting of small motorboats. Even if they interdict 90% of them, we could end up in a whole boatload of ***
Iran does not even come close to controlling the Straits of Hormuz. Of course they would create some problems and might get lucky here and there, but for the most part they would be almost completely neutralised in the opening hours of any real conflict.
Do not underestimate the power of the US Airforce and Navy.
Do not overestimate the U.S. Airforce and Navy. Radar won't be able to detect a five-meter speedboat carrying a couple of guys and one or two sea mines. You can have choppers searching from the air, but even then it would be hard to see a small boat. And there will be many such boats. U.S. Navy has probably prepared for this contingency, and they'll be able to stop many of them, but the Iranians only need to get lucky ONCE. One sunken oil tanker and people will panic and the price of oil will skyrocket.
That being said, the U.S. probably could deal with this threat if they strike first. If the Iranians strike first (which they will do if they think an attack is imminent) then we're in trouble.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:30:52pm |
re: #628 iceweasel
re: #623 Kewalo
I find both techniques useful at different times. It's generally good policy to ignore extraneous demands, particularly when answering means allowing the thread to be derailed and degenerate into 'let's pile on poster x'!
And then again, sometimes people need a good thumpin'. :-)
Yeppers, and thanks to a couple of posters I was able to dig my way out of the bottom of that pile. LOL Live and learn huh Ice?
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:31:10pm |
re: #629 Kewalo
I'd be afraid of unintended consequences. I'm lucky I'm not a parent that ever had to face that. But it isn't something I've given a whole lot of thought.
I poked around PLOS a bit, and the combined theories in the lead right now seem to be that we just didn't have a good range set for normal puberty from earlier studies and that childhood obesity might be causing onset earlier that we saw in the past.
This correlates well with other studies of gymnasts and female athletes who sometimes cannot ovulate until they go off their training routine and regain body fat.
| 640 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:31:51pm |
re: #636 Kewalo
Maybe if you actually acknowledged the facts you were given-- like hormones not being water-soluble, and those pollutants that affect our own production and regulation of hormones being far more a concern than direct ingestion of hormones-- you'd get more of them.
I don't feel much desire to give you more facts, given that you've basically ignored what I've already given you.
| 641 |
Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:33:41pm |
re: #624 windsagio
I just would have done it differently.
I would have said "Of Course I don't!" And then torn his ass open for the dirty trick.
Different stroke for different folks :)
It's not a "dirty trick" it's a fair question that tells me about where someone is coming from in reference to science.
| 642 |
Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:35:36pm |
re: #640 Obdicut
Maybe if you actually acknowledged the facts you were given-- like hormones not being water-soluble, and those pollutants that affect our own production and regulation of hormones being far more a concern than direct ingestion of hormones-- you'd get more of them.
I don't feel much desire to give you more facts, given that you've basically ignored what I've already given you.
Obdicut, I didn't disagree with you, I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. And I wasn't brushing it off or being breezy or ignoring you. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to actually respond to me like you did. Sorry if I didn't make that more clear. I was feeling a little under siege so probably didn't respond the way I should have.
| 643 |
Obdicut Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:41:08pm |
re: #642 Kewalo
Thank you for saying that.
I still have an enormous problem with you asserting that you have as much of a right to an opinion on an objective, scientific truth is as anyone else, and your assumption that nobody is studying the effects of these hormones, antibiotics, etc in the environment.
It is true that very few people are studying the effects of oral ingestion of hormones in the water, because that science was thoroughly studied already-- hormones in the water will not affect us in any great degree, because hormones are not fat soluble. However, people are studying, many many people, are studying the effects of all our various pollutants on the environment, including what those hormones are doing in the food chain in general.
Thank you for replying, but I still feel that you are making a grave mistake in hypothesizing without data and without a knowledge of the subject.
| 644 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:42:29pm |
re: #622 Bagua
So in three years it'll be worse than it is now?.
Notice you picked up on my optimism for the economy, but not on a saleable GOP candidate.....................
| 645 |
Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:47:43pm |
re: #643 Obdicut
Thank you for saying that.
I still have an enormous problem with you asserting that you have as much of a right to an opinion on an objective, scientific truth is as anyone else, and your assumption that nobody is studying the effects of these hormones, antibiotics, etc in the environment.
It is true that very few people are studying the effects of oral ingestion of hormones in the water, because that science was thoroughly studied already-- hormones in the water will not affect us in any great degree, because hormones are not fat soluble. However, people are studying, many many people, are studying the effects of all our various pollutants on the environment, including what those hormones are doing in the food chain in general.
Thank you for replying, but I still feel that you are making a grave mistake in hypothesizing without data and without a knowledge of the subject.
I really do apologize for not making myself more clear about the facts you posted. One of the reasons I brought it all up to begin with is to get other peoples POV.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:48:53pm |
re: #644 wozzablog
So in three years it'll be worse than it is now?.
Notice you picked up on my optimism for the economy, but not on a saleable GOP candidate...
I haven't a clue. I could go on for ages about why we are due for a "correction" and such, but I know for a fact that the market will go where it will and all any of us can do is speculate on what may happen.
And yes, I commented on what interested me. It could be one out of many other points you made this thread. I am interested in the markets.
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Randall Gross Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:52:09pm |
re: #645 Kewalo
Thie site below is part of the lizard tool chest - if you want to dig for facts on genetics, biology, evolutionary biology, or medicine, it's a good place to go. In the sidebar are several searchable journals - you won't find the up to the minute cutting edge breakthrough clinical studies there because nobody wants to give up the secret to the next genentech, but you will find a great deal of current data if you use the search tool
[Link: www.plos.org...]
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:54:07pm |
re: #630 Kewalo
hows this:
I started running 6 miles a day from when I was very young (first 10k when I was 3). We'd run as a family, and my brother wouldn't wanna go and would throw a temper tantrum.
So, my mother would have me sprint up the hill and tell him to chase me. It always worked and before he could ever catch me he'd calm down, and run normally.
My whole family finds this story hilarious. Most people on the outside are horrified >>
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Bagua Mon, Jan 11, 2010 7:56:34pm |
re: #637 ILoveIsrael
Do not overestimate the U.S. Airforce and Navy. Radar won't be able to detect a five-meter speedboat carrying a couple of guys and one or two sea mines. You can have choppers searching from the air, but even then it would be hard to see a small boat. And there will be many such boats. U.S. Navy has probably prepared for this contingency, and they'll be able to stop many of them, but the Iranians only need to get lucky ONCE. One sunken oil tanker and people will panic and the price of oil will skyrocket.
That being said, the U.S. probably could deal with this threat if they strike first. If the Iranians strike first (which they will do if they think an attack is imminent) then we're in trouble.
There is no question the Iranians could wreak some havoc in the absence of full hostilities against an unarmed target like an oil tanker. It's unlikely they could hit an USN vessel except through luck.
Should the game ever be on, the US would neutralise them like a flock of ducks. Technology is very good at this point. Certainly the price or Crude Oil could spike, but the medium and longer term effect on the Oil price is difficult to predict, as witness the first two gulf wars.
I think a much bigger threat would be a missile barrage aimed at the Oil infrastructure in the area. But even then the damage is repairable.
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Kewalo Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:09:10pm |
re: #648 windsagio
hows this:
I started running 6 miles a day from when I was very young (first 10k when I was 3). We'd run as a family, and my brother wouldn't wanna go and would throw a temper tantrum.
So, my mother would have me sprint up the hill and tell him to chase me. It always worked and before he could ever catch me he'd calm down, and run normally.
My whole family finds this story hilarious. Most people on the outside are horrified >>
Horrified? I think your mother was a smart cookie. It's takes every bit of imagination to deal with a situation like your family did.
I have a good cyber-buddy that has a child that was oxygen deprived at birth and she tells me stories of raising him that just makes me roll. It takes a lot of heart and the story you just told me about your mom just makes me like her. You do what you have to and the hell with people outside.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:13:38pm |
re: #650 Kewalo
Aww thank you :)
Another story as a bonus!
One time when we were young, my brother snuck into my sisters room and broke a picture of (I kid you not) Jesus loving the little children over her head >>
I guess the lesson is that you really do live in a different world growing up like that. A good effect of it is that my sister and I are far closer than any other siblings I know about.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:18:07pm |
re: #646 Bagua
It's possible there will be a double dip recession or that the commercial prope market will collapse to such an extent as to wipe out any gains.......
However there is projected growth in 2010 - and into atleast the 1st quarter 2011.
| 653 |
ILoveIsrael Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:22:42pm |
re: #649 Bagua
There is no question the Iranians could wreak some havoc in the absence of full hostilities against an unarmed target like an oil tanker. It's unlikely they could hit an USN vessel except through luck.
Should the game ever be on, the US would neutralise them like a flock of ducks. Technology is very good at this point. Certainly the price or Crude Oil could spike, but the medium and longer term effect on the Oil price is difficult to predict, as witness the first two gulf wars.
I think a much bigger threat would be a missile barrage aimed at the Oil infrastructure in the area. But even then the damage is repairable.
I certainly agree that a hit on a U.S. Navy ship would be very unlikely. It probably wouldn't even be a primary goal for that reason (although wasn't an American vessel hit and/or sunk in the Iraq-Iran war in the 80s?). Let's also not forget that the Iranians have a lot of influence in Iraq. They could attack American forces. They'd be repelled, but it would be a tough time for us. America is pretty hard pressed over there.
| 654 |
prairiefire Mon, Jan 11, 2010 8:23:31pm |
re: #652 wozzablog
From your keyboard to God's ears re: your #615.
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Silvergirl Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:24:58pm |
re: #441 Decatur Deb
This is thrown by cheese:
[Video]
Awesome! There's some heavy duty tumbling going on. It looks slightly less dangerous than running with the bulls, but I don't know--people taken away on stretchers!
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Silvergirl Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:30:44pm |
re: #452 Spare O'Lake
We've got to get back to the land
And set our souls free...
We are stardust, we are golden . . .
| 658 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:44:17pm |
re: #652 wozzablog
It's possible there will be a double dip recession or that the commercial prope market will collapse to such an extent as to wipe out any gains...
However there is projected growth in 2010 - and into atleast the 1st quarter 2011.
Agreed those are two of the weaknesses I am watching, especially commercial bonds which could be the next crisis. And yes we are still in a bull market, however, the "correction" will not be announced and could occur in time for the 2010 election... or in time for 2012, or not. I have no crystal ball.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 11, 2010 9:47:45pm |
re: #653 ILoveIsrael
I certainly agree that a hit on a U.S. Navy ship would be very unlikely. It probably wouldn't even be a primary goal for that reason (although wasn't an American vessel hit and/or sunk in the Iraq-Iran war in the 80s?). Let's also not forget that the Iranians have a lot of influence in Iraq. They could attack American forces. They'd be repelled, but it would be a tough time for us. America is pretty hard pressed over there.
Missile defence has come a long way since the the Iraq-Iran war. But yes, there could be some difficulties and terrorism and such, but the Iranians would be fighting blind and be sitting ducks. Also, the US NAVY and Air Force has plenty of capacity in that area, that is not a factor for anything short of a ground invasion.
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