Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) suggests that President Obama or Attorney General Holder advised Al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to plead not guilty so he could have a show trial in Manhattan. Sometimes it seems as if right wing politicians are in a contest to see who can uncork the wackiest accusation.
(Hat tip: KT.)
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:02:38pm |
/well I suppose that he could have passed him a note while they were out golfing…
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:02:50pm |
He did this by passing along a message with his SEKRET MUSLEM DEKODER RING!
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silentbob27 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:03:15pm |
Please Minnesota, dont fill out your census forms.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:03:56pm |
Michelle Bachmann, her unbelievable honor, or…
Michelle Bachman, h.u.h.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:05:46pm |
Lets get the Judge’s ruling on Bachmann’s comments, shall we?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:05:58pm |
Hitchens to Bachmann.
Are we trying to create whiplash?
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:06:16pm |
Someone needs to shove a large tuber in her pie-hole every time she opens it. Jesus that woman is fucking crazy.
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Merryweather Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:06:43pm |
Thank God Minnesota has Al Franken to compensate for this loony.
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Girth Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:07:06pm |
Excuse me Rep. Bachmann, is being stupid like being high all the time?
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:07:09pm |
re: #6 EmmmieG
Hitchens to Bachmann.
Are we trying to create whiplash?
does windows 7 come with air-bags?
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:08:01pm |
The World Trade Center was not bombed, Bachmann.
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Jack Burton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:08:34pm |
Obama did this how and when? Are all the sekrit muslims on a party line with KSM via Palantiri from Lord of the Rings?
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:08:35pm |
re: #11 MandyManners
The World Trade Center was not bombed, Bachmann.
Well, it was, but that was back in the 90s.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:08:43pm |
Is there any money in the Stimulus Package for testing the well water in the Woodbury/ Waite Park area of Minnesota!?!?!
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Jack Burton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:09:19pm |
re: #11 MandyManners
The World Trade Center was not bombed, Bachmann.
She let her inner troofer slip out unless she was talking about 93.
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andres Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:09:34pm |
re: #14 sattv4u2
Is there any money in the Stimulus Package for testing the well water in the Woodbury/ Waite Park area of Minnesota!?!?!
I think there’s an earmark for that.
/
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:09:43pm |
Why do many people leave out that the Pentagon was attacked, too?
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:10:03pm |
re: #14 sattv4u2
//// It’s the fluoride in the drinking water I tell you.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:10:24pm |
re: #9 Girth
Excuse me Rep. Bachmann, is being stupid like being high all the time?
When I was in college, a friend gave me a half-pound of shrooms he no longer wanted to sell. I spent the whole summer ‘high all the time.’ I never said anything as stupid as Bachmann just did.
(I am glad those days are behind me though…tripping and bartending is no way to go through life)
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:10:27pm |
re: #15 ArchangelMichael
She let her inner troofer slip out unless she was talking about 93.
wait isn’t it the troofers that say it WAS bombed?
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Lidane Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:10:32pm |
*sigh*
I’d rage about this, but nothing she says shocks me anymore. She’s just utterly batshit insane.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:10:33pm |
This sort of wild speculation, making things up out of thin air, is so incredibly irresponsible and idiotic!
WTF is wrong with her? She looks so normal …
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:10:48pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
Why do many people leave out that the Pentagon was attacked, too?
Not to diminish the Pentagon attack, but the loss of life and devastation in NYC was unrivaled
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subsailor68 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:11:17pm |
It appears this video was shot during a special orders session. You know, the ones where - when the CSPAN cameras take a wide shot - the only ones on the floor are the ones speaking.
That thumping sound you can hear in the background is the only other person in the chamber - the poor slob who was assigned the chair for this session. If the cameras took a shot, you’d see that sound was being made by his head repeatedly hitting the desk.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:11:47pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
Why do many people leave out that the Pentagon was attacked, too?
I don’t know Mandy.
When I heard about the planes flying into WTC, that was plenty scary.
When I then heard about the Pentagon, THE PENTAGON, being attacked - that was frightening beyond belief to me.
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:12:59pm |
re: #23 sattv4u2
Not to diminish the Pentagon attack, but the loss of life and devastation in NYC was unrivaled
and the Pentagon is still there, the WTC not so much.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:15:05pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
It doesn’t fit the desired conspiracy theory well, therefore it must be ignored.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:15:55pm |
re: #27 MandyManners
And, what about Flight 93?
Again a tragedy and sickening, but the loss of life and devastation in NYC was unrivaled
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:17:16pm |
Early OT, and apologies for it:
But I’m reading about the utter chaos that is Haiti right now, and I just cannot imagine how relief is going to be gotten to the people who need it.
Ships can’t come in because the Port is ruined; so they have to rely on flights coming into a partially acceptable airport. There is no infrastructure to support even the most basic assistance efforts. Nowhere, really, for those people to go except OFF the island. This is hundreds time worse than NOLA after Katrina.
My heart is weeping for those people.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:17:17pm |
re: #28 oaktree
It doesn’t fit the desired conspiracy theory well, therefore it must be ignored.
I don;t think so. When I hear 9/11 my thoughts immediatly think of the WTC, even though I am fully aware of the Pentagon and Flight 93
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webevintage Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:17:56pm |
re: #21 Lidane
*sigh*
I’d rage about this, but nothing she says shocks me anymore. She’s just utterly batshit insane.
Except she is comedy gold.
Gold, I tell you!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:19:47pm |
re: #30 reine.de.tout
I was watching a piece on trying to dig out, and it’s obvious that there’s nowhere to put the rubble. They can’t move it to look for bodies, because as you can see in the videos, there’s nowhere to put the rubble.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:20:10pm |
re: #21 Lidane
*sigh*
I’d rage about this, but nothing she says shocks me anymore. She’s just utterly batshit insane.
She’s just upping the ante for her main competitor in the ‘what stupidity can I spew next?’ department. It’ll be interesting to see if the two of them create a vortex when they get together at the Tea Party convention.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:21:29pm |
re: #33 EmmmieG
I was watching a piece on trying to dig out, and it’s obvious that there’s nowhere to put the rubble. They can’t move it to look for bodies, because as you can see in the videos, there’s nowhere to put the rubble.
I was thinking the same thing yesterday. Removing the rubble will require razing the city altogether.
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Lidane Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:21:35pm |
re: #32 webevintage
Except she is comedy gold.
Gold, I tell you!
Palin/Bachman 2012! The soundbites would be hilarious, and Excedrin would make a killing in migraine medication. Heh.
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:21:59pm |
re: #34 darthstar
Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, or both? Or is there another contestent we should be on the look out for?
It strikes me that one of the signs we are all doomed is that there are actually people in this country who take this woman seriously.
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:23:35pm |
On a sad note, Teddy Pendergrass died today.
Wonder how many people owe their existence to his singing? (aye, aye, nudge nudge, know what I mean, know what I mean)
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:24:01pm |
re: #30 reine.de.tout
Three thousand of the 82nd Airborne Division are on the way, America’s best.
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:24:35pm |
re: #37 PT Barnum
Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, or both? Or is there another contestant we should be on the look out for?
PIMF..or at least spell check
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JoyousMN Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:24:40pm |
She makes me cringe. Actually, having relatives who like her AND vote for her REALLY makes me cringe.
OT-(Since I don’t want to talk about Bachmann anymore) Is anyone else following the trial out in California challenging the legality of Prop 8 (the anti gay marriage ballot)? The Supreme Court ruled that it can’t be carried live on the internet, but several people are live-blogging it and it’s very compelling.
The link is for today, but you can go back to previous days. The trial has been a great learning experience for me on the discrimination aspect of not allowing gay people the right to marry, and on what the issues are on both sides of the debate. Really great use of the internet to keep people informed.
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webevintage Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:28:25pm |
re: #41 JoyousMN
The Supreme Court ruled that it can’t be carried live on the internet, but several people are live-blogging it and it’s very compelling.
What were the reasons that folks did not want it to be shown live?
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:29:55pm |
re: #42 webevintage
What were the reasons that folks did not want it to be shown live?
Possibly to discourage interuptions from protestors trying to make it on camera.
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aagcobb Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:32:42pm |
re: #38 PT Barnum
On a sad note, Teddy Pendergrass died today.
Wonder how many people owe their existence to his singing? (aye, aye, nudge nudge, know what I mean, know what I mean)
Say no more!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:32:47pm |
re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Possibly to discourage interuptions from protestors trying to make it on camera.
Judge Ito declined to sit on the case due to no cameras!!
///
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:33:11pm |
re: #42 webevintage
What were the reasons that folks did not want it to be shown live?
The Prop 8 supporters don’t want to be televised because they’re afraid people in their home towns will see the video and realize that the bigots they’ve been hearing about are actually their friends.
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researchok Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:33:28pm |
To paraphrase Peter Sellers in Being There, Michelle Bachmann is proof that in America, no matter how stupid you are, anything is possible.
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aagcobb Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:34:19pm |
re: #42 webevintage
What were the reasons that folks did not want it to be shown live?
I read there were concerns about possible retaliation against witnesses for the defense.
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researchok Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:34:25pm |
Actually, it was the housekeeper who made that remark.
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lawhawk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:34:29pm |
re: #30 reine.de.tout
The relief efforts are just getting started (with updates).
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:34:41pm |
re: #42 webevintage
What were the reasons that folks did not want it to be shown live?
No reason given, but video coverage is at the court’s discretion. Many courts feel it is potentially too disruptive, particularly during high profile trials, and limit coverage to traditional press (newspapers, magazines).
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:34:56pm |
Ms. Bachmann’s claims that this will be a show trial are not justified. There will be no cameras allowed in the courtroom and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will certainly not be given free reign while taking the stand.
The rest of her pablum reeks of a conspiracy theory wherein she lays out an imaginary scenario as to why it was decided that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed should be tried in a civilian court.
Another thing to note. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed did not formally plead guilty. He sent a note stating his intent to plead guilty near the end of 2008. This was left unresolved as noted in the NY Times article referring to the unlikely source of a military judge:
But the military judge, Col. Stephen R. Henley of the Army, said a number of legal questions about how the commissions are to deal with capital cases had to be resolved before guilty pleas could be accepted.
Thus she is not only putting out a conspiracy theory regarding AG Holdren and President Obama but she is lying about the so called guilty plea.
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:35:35pm |
re: #47 researchok
To paraphrase Peter Sellers in Being There, Michelle Bachmann is proof that in America, no matter how stupid you are, anything is possible.
Upding for the Being There reference! One of my all time favorite movies.
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What, me worry? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:35:39pm |
re: #35 darthstar
I was thinking the same thing yesterday. Removing the rubble will require razing the city altogether.
The article Reine quoted said they don’t have any machines on the island to move the rubble. They’re bringing them over from the DR. They have to clear out those buildings.
I would think they could dock the ships out in the ocean and take smaller boats in, no?
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Tizzy Liz Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:36:14pm |
Michele Bachmann, crazy, evil and hot, I bet she would be date you wouldn’t forget.
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:36:37pm |
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What, me worry? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:36:40pm |
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aagcobb Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:37:13pm |
re: #52 Gus 802
I didn’t think there would be a show trial either. Then I read that Dr. Tiller’s murderer is going to be allowed to testify that he thought he was protecting the unborn by gunning down the Cr. in church, and the judge will decide whether or not to instruct the jury on a possible verdict of voluntary manslaughter!
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:37:53pm |
re: #52 Gus 802
Ms. Bachmann’s claims that this will be a show trial are not justified. There will be no cameras allowed in the courtroom and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will certainly not be given free reign while taking the stand.
The rest of her pablum reeks of a conspiracy theory wherein she lays out an imaginary scenario as to why it was decided that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed should be tried in a civilian court.
Another thing to note. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed did not formally plead guilty. He sent a note stating his intent to plead guilty near the end of 2008. This was left unresolved as noted in the NY Times article referring to the unlikely source of a military judge:
Thus she is not only putting out a conspiracy theory regarding AG Holdren and President Obama but she is lying about the so called guilty plea.
I’m pretty certain the defendant is not allowed to enter a guilty plea in a capital case.
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:38:23pm |
re: #60 aagcobb
Maybe he should be gunned down by firing squad to protect the already born!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:38:29pm |
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:38:54pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:38:55pm |
re: #50 lawhawk
I was going to post this yesterday, but forgot.
Wherever you live, you could be hit by a natural disaster of some sort. You know where you live, so you know what is likely. It will probably be at least three days before outside assistance arrives at any disaster, so do not count on aid arriving 30 minutes after the disaster.
The time to be prepared is now. Even if you have nothing else, store a little bottled water. Here are some web sites that list off a few supplies you could store. (In a backpack is a good idea.)
[Link: lds.about.com…]
[Link: www.nationalterroralert.com…]
And yes, I realize that it wouldn’t have helped if your building is completely gone.
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What, me worry? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:39:40pm |
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:40:17pm |
re: #61 SixDegrees
I’m pretty certain the defendant is not allowed to enter a guilty plea in a capital case.
At the time he was expecting a military trial (as he should have) & I don’t know for sure but I think they do allow guilty pleas…
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:41:06pm |
re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Here is a piece about this over at the HuffPo.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:41:10pm |
re: #50 lawhawk
The relief efforts are just getting started (with updates).
Interesting video of the quake as it happened. You can watch dust and debris appearing around the buildings as, I suppose, they collapsed.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:41:31pm |
Israeli Aid Delegation Prepares @ Command HQ
“The delegation prepares to depart to Haiti in the Home Front Command Headquarters. Col. Dr. Itzik Kryse describes what the hospital in Haiti will consist of. He proceeds to receive vaccinations and discuss what his views are of the delegation”
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JoyousMN Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:41:40pm |
re: #42 webevintage
The court ruled they didn’t follow procedure. From the ruling:
“We are asked to stay the broadcast of a federal trial. We resolve that question without expressing any view on whether such trials should be broadcast. We instead determine that the broadcast in this case should be stayed because it appears the courts below did not follow the appropriate procedures set forth in federal law before changing their rules to allow such broadcasting. Courts enforce the requirements of procedural regularity on others, and must follow those requirements ourselves.”
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:42:34pm |
Palin-Bachmann - the LaVerne and Shirley of GOP comedy.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:44:13pm |
re: #65 EmmmieG
I was thinking about this yesterday while reading the related threads. Then I got home from work and discovered that my apartment building’s power had been all afternoon. Enough emergency power for lights in the stairwells and the freight elevator.
So I got a very minuscule taste of the issue. And also discovered that I did not have the flashlight, batteries, and candles where I thought I did.
Definitely going to get a “disaster box” put together just in case.
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:44:30pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:44:58pm |
re: #58 PT Barnum
You don’t need a penis in order to be obnoxious and aggressive.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:45:28pm |
re: #75 Cato the Elder
Palin-Bachmann - the LaVerne and Shirley of GOP comedy.
Glenn Beck and Ron Paul are Lenny and Squiggy.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:46:06pm |
re: #75 Cato the Elder
Palin-Bachmann - the LaVerne and Shirley of GOP comedy.
I would say the Lloyd Chirstmas-Harry Dunne of the GOP might be a better fit.
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lawhawk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:46:20pm |
re: #55 marjoriemoon
Consider 3 stages of disaster relief: emergency, short term, and recovery. The emergency phase (which we’ll be in for the next few weeks) will focus on search and rescue, temporary shelter, medical services, food and water.
I figure among the priorities will be:
1) reopen the port facilities and clear damage from ports so that heavy container ships and relief can come by sea, including the necessary fuel and vehicles needed to clear rubble from damaged areas;
2) get an airport control tower operating to get critical patients to other hospitals and bring in fresh emergency personnel and aid.
3) triage patients and provide basic care and services;
4) clear debris from primary roads;
4) distribute tents and basic goods to those now left homeless
5) clear debris from secondary roads.
Some of those can be done concurrently as food and water can be airdropped and roads can be reopened while distributing food, shelter and water to survivors. Clearing the victims from the rubble will take time.
The Haitians are in for a world of hurt for a good long time to come.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:46:53pm |
re: #56 Tizzy Liz
Needless to say, the usual hatchling welcome has been withheld.
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JoyousMN Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:47:18pm |
I have to say that reading the blogs about the trial has certainly been an eye-opener for me. I’m a het, married woman, so the issue isn’t not one that effects me personally. But like so many people I know, or am related to people who are gay.
The discrimination aspect of not allowing people to marry never really hit home with me until I started following the trial. I was never opposed to same-sex marriage. I’ve attended two “ceremonies of civil union” and they felt like weddings, but the fact is that they will NOT have the same rights as the rest of us enjoy hadn’t hit me quite so hard till now.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:47:26pm |
re: #41 JoyousMN
She makes me cringe. Actually, having relatives who like her AND vote for her REALLY makes me cringe.
OT-(Since I don’t want to talk about Bachmann anymore) Is anyone else following the trial out in California challenging the legality of Prop 8 (the anti gay marriage ballot)? The Supreme Court ruled that it can’t be carried live on the internet, but several people are live-blogging it and it’s very compelling.
The link is for today, but you can go back to previous days. The trial has been a great learning experience for me on the discrimination aspect of not allowing gay people the right to marry, and on what the issues are on both sides of the debate. Really great use of the internet to keep people informed.
The trial is a real gamble, with a lot of opposition on both sides. It fast-tracks a Supreme Court decision, and on the one hand a victory there would be a slam-dunk for proponents of gay marriage, effectively legalizing it in every state, while a defeat would slam the door on gay marriage for the foreseeable future. Given the current makeup of the court, this may not be the most opportune time to bring such a case.
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:48:30pm |
re: #79 MandyManners
You don’t need a penis in order to be obnoxious and aggressive.
/but I find it helps :)
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:49:20pm |
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Joanne Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:49:33pm |
re: #15 ArchangelMichael
To be somewhat forgiving (a first when it comes to this head case), when 9/11 first happened, the following day I was sitting at my desk reading a story about it and crying. My boss asked if I was ok and I replied that I was reading about the bombing attack. He just nodded and walked away. Of course, that was then and this is now. I wouldn’t refer to it that way in 2010.
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JoyousMN Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:51:14pm |
re: #85 SixDegrees
Yeah, this is covered pretty extensively in an interview with the attorney’s in The New Yorker magazine. (I don’t have the link handy)
But their point is that “yes, we could wait for all this to percolate through, but in the mean time people are being discriminated against.”
I do see both sides, and I was more on the side of let it work it’s way through until I read the testimony of the plaintiffs.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:51:52pm |
CNN has video of the quake hitting, taken from a traffic camera:
[Link: www.cnn.com…]
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:52:45pm |
re: #84 JoyousMN
I have to say that reading the blogs about the trial has certainly been an eye-opener for me. I’m a het, married woman, so the issue isn’t not one that effects me personally. But like so many people I know, or am related to people who are gay.
The discrimination aspect of not allowing people to marry never really hit home with me until I started following the trial. I was never opposed to same-sex marriage. I’ve attended two “ceremonies of civil union” and they felt like weddings, but the fact is that they will NOT have the same rights as the rest of us enjoy hadn’t hit me quite so hard till now.
Quite true. Even if “civil unions” are extended to gays everywhere, granting them the same legal protections and responsibilities as a marriage license does, they will still be living an equal but separate existence. It’s like allowing them to drink the same water as everyone else, but from separate fountains.
Either grant everyone marriage license, or grant everyone civil unions. We can’t have a legally divided nation.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:53:29pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
MIlitary targets generate less sympathy.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:55:57pm |
re: #90 JoyousMN
Yeah, this is covered pretty extensively in an interview with the attorney’s in The New Yorker magazine. (I don’t have the link handy)
But their point is that “yes, we could wait for all this to percolate through, but in the mean time people are being discriminated against.”
I do see both sides, and I was more on the side of let it work it’s way through until I read the testimony of the plaintiffs.
Attitudes on this issue have shifted with amazing speed, and I think we’re just a very few years away from nationwide legal acceptance of gay marriage. If this case blows up, that day could be delayed substantially.
I agree that it must be onerous to wait, and that a victory here would help to resolve the matter more quickly. The stakes, though, are very high.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:58:37pm |
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Bob Dillon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:58:46pm |
re: #22 reine.de.tout
This sort of wild speculation, making things up out of thin air, is so incredibly irresponsible and idiotic!
WTF is wrong with her? She looks so normal …
If I were selling bridges … this lady would be at the head of my prospect list … right along with some others that are featured from time to time here at LGF.
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John Neverbend Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:59:23pm |
I spent several seconds trying to figure out which district of Minnesota is referenced in “Michelle Bachmann (R-Mars)”, and then it dawned on me that it’s that red planet that was featured in yesterday’s threads.
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RogueOne Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:59:36pm |
btw, this is Thursday and we haven’t had one playoffs thread yet.//
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 12:59:59pm |
re: #92 SixDegrees
Re: Either grant everyone marriage license, or grant everyone civil unions. We can’t have a legally divided nation.
I could go for the latter, all civil unions in the eyes of the state.
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Tizzy Liz Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:01:48pm |
RE: 68 MandyManners
sorry, should I just could be pc and say crazy and evil ? One of the reasons the media follows every word uttered from Bachmann’s mouth is because she is attractive and crazy, the media just loves crazy pretty people.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:01:50pm |
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:01:58pm |
re: #101 brookly red
Re: Either grant everyone marriage license, or grant everyone civil unions. We can’t have a legally divided nation.
I could go for the latter, all civil unions in the eyes of the state.
I think that’s the better solution. It makes the distinction between the rights protected by the state and the religious ceremony of marriage within a church separate and clear. The use of the same name for these two very different things, I think, has been part of the problem for some time.
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:03:49pm |
re: #104 SixDegrees
Agreed, & thank you, I have kind of felt that way for some time, but wasn’t sure of the wording.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:04:18pm |
re: #102 Tizzy Liz
RE: 68 MandyManners
sorry, should I just could be pc and say crazy and evil ? One of the reasons the media follows every word uttered from Bachmann’s mouth is because she is attractive and crazy, the media just loves crazyprettypeople.
ftfy
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Stanghazi Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:06:38pm |
Now that the media has arrived in Haiti we can see the unbelievable horror live. Absolutely heartbreaking.
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:07:15pm |
re: #76 MandyManners
You, three.
Mandy seems to have taken the role of the Queen of Hearts of LGF!
Off with Their Heads!….Go piss up a rope being an LGF equivelant
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Tizzy Liz Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:07:42pm |
Re: 107 sattv4u2
Well I guess she’s just my type and not yours, there is no explanation for taste
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:09:21pm |
re: #111 Tizzy Liz
Re: 107 sattv4u2
Well I guess she’s just my type and not yours, there is no explanation for taste
Wasn’t a comment about taste
WAS a commnet that the media gravitates towards ‘crazy’, whether pretty or not
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:09:30pm |
re: #111 Tizzy Liz
Re: 107 sattv4u2
Well I guess she’s just my type and not yours, there is no explanation for taste
/well I havta admit I would love to run my fingers through her check book…
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:10:53pm |
re: #111 Tizzy Liz
Re: 107 sattv4u2
Well I guess she’s just my type and not yours, there is no explanation for taste
I’ll agree that Michelle Bachman is physically attractive, but that all disappears the moment she opens her mouth to speak. Same goes for Sarah Palin. That said, reducing any woman to a sexual object isn’t something one does in polite company.
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:12:48pm |
re: #114 darthstar
I’ll agree that Michelle Bachman is physically attractive, but that all disappears the moment she opens her mouth to speak. Same goes for Sarah Palin. That said, reducing any woman to a sexual object isn’t something one does in polite company.
so which is it?
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:12:54pm |
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:13:57pm |
If Palin or Bachmann looked like Helen Thomas, do you think either would get nearly as much attention as they do? I very much doubt it.
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prairiefire Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:15:21pm |
re: #115 wozzablog
Blehhhh…/ 92% of men do reduce a woman to a sexual object at about a 4 out of 20(women) rate.
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Tizzy Liz Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:16:04pm |
re: #112 sattv4u2
Attractive is better, this why Bachmann and Palin and a multitude of “new” Republicans look like they have been through a Republican image finishing school.
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:16:16pm |
Half the comments about Palin from the neocons like Bill Kristol was about the shiver she sent down their collective third leg.
If either Palin or Bachmann looked like a bag lady, we’d all be averting our eyes and walking away as fast as we could.
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Tizzy Liz Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:18:21pm |
re: #114 darthstar
I’ll agree that Michelle Bachman is physically attractive, but that all disappears the moment she opens her mouth to speak. Same goes for Sarah Palin. That said, reducing any woman to a sexual object isn’t something one does in polite company.
Can another woman “reduce” a woman into a sexual object? Which some women do all the time
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andres Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:18:54pm |
re: #93 wozzablog
MIlitary targets generate less sympathy.
I don’t believe military targets gather less sympathy. It’s the scale difference between WTC and the Pentagon that makes the Pentagon less rememberable. There’s also the fact that the WTC is no more, and it was one of the most distinguishable symbols of NYC.
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keloyd Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:19:07pm |
Though this be madness, yet , there be… uh, wait. never mind. This be madness.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:20:55pm |
I’ve got it! I was watching the Korean dude from the UN (I stopped learning their names at Boutros Boutros Ghali,) and he said that the able-to-walk-out Estonian guy they got out of the UN building was transported to an Argentinian hospital.
Why don’t we just declare all Haitians to be UN workers, then they can all be airlifted out?
Yes, I know, I get it. I understand the logistics. It just blows my mind the difference in level of care. Hundreds of Haitians are being dug out of the rubble alive, and many of them need medical care. What wouldn’t they give for a European passport right now?
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:21:18pm |
re: #122 Tizzy Liz
Can another woman “reduce” a woman into a sexual object? Which some women do all the time
To quote Frank Zappa:
You say you can’t live with what you’ve been through?
Well, ladies you can be an asshole too.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:21:37pm |
And Khalid Sheik Mohammed did so because he’d always wanted to do a personal favor for the President of the United States?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:21:45pm |
re: #120 Tizzy Liz
Attractive is better, this why Bachmann and Palin and a multitude of “new” Republicans look like they have been through a Republican image finishing school.
Not sure what “vintage’ you are, but ALL politicians have been going through “image finishing school” ever since the Kennedy/ Nixon debate in 1960. All fair observers will tell you that Nixon won the debate, but due to Kennedys good looks and calm and Nixons sweaty upper lip, Kennedy “won”!
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What, me worry? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:22:55pm |
re: #122 Tizzy Liz
Can another woman “reduce” a woman into a sexual object? Which some women do all the time
My analogy is Mel Gibson. I don’t know which is more offensive, “sugartits” or the anti-Semitic rantings. Sugartits was at least somewhat humorous.
Anyway, I look at him now and all I feel is loathing. The thought of being near him sexually really repulses me.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:23:19pm |
re: #17 MandyManners
Why do many people leave out that the Pentagon was attacked, too?
I think because the towers were so utterly destroyed, and the image of it so intense. And because it was a civilian target.
It should be remembered, though.
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webevintage Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:24:12pm |
I’m confused.
Bachmen is crazy…batshit crazy.
She’s an attractive woman.
I have a feeling she might be one of the signs of the coming apocalypse, which is kinda evil unless you work for Wolfram and Hart and are looking forward to said apocalypse.
So what gives?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:25:57pm |
re: #30 reine.de.tout
Early OT, and apologies for it:
But I’m reading about the utter chaos that is Haiti right now, and I just cannot imagine how relief is going to be gotten to the people who need it.
Ships can’t come in because the Port is ruined; so they have to rely on flights coming into a partially acceptable airport. There is no infrastructure to support even the most basic assistance efforts. Nowhere, really, for those people to go except OFF the island. This is hundreds time worse than NOLA after Katrina.
My heart is weeping for those people.
NOLA had warning…you can’t evacuate ahead of an earthquake. Help was closer. The people were in better shape to begin with.
Haiti has just been living too close to the edge for too long.
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Bob Dillon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:26:19pm |
re: #123 andres
I don’t believe military targets gather less sympathy.
Your belief is not grounded in reality.
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Tizzy Liz Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:26:41pm |
re: #126 darthstar
I don’t understand why calling someone attractive and saying she would be interesting date, even if she is crazy and evil, is making someone a sexual object.
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blueraven Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:26:43pm |
re: #107 sattv4u2
I thought new registrants were not allowed use of the dinger until they had 50 posts. How come Tizzie Liz was able to down ding you?
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ED 209 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:27:42pm |
re: #79 MandyManners
You don’t need a penis in order to be obnoxious and aggressive.
Spoketh the authority.
/
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:27:56pm |
re: #135 Tizzy Liz
I don’t understand why calling someone attractive and saying she would be interesting date, even if she is crazy and evil, is making someone a sexual object.
Maybe I was confusing your response with the “i’d hit it” post next to yours. If your meaning was different, then I apologize.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:28:06pm |
re: #134 Bobibutu
Your belief is not grounded in reality.
Actually, it is. Civilian targets get more sympathy. One of our army bases in a foreign country on one hand…day care on the other. Which will get more play on the news if each is attacked?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:28:09pm |
re: #136 blueraven
I thought new registrants were not allowed use of the dinger until they had 50 posts. How come Tizzie Liz was able to down ding you?
Didn’t know (s)he did!
Guess you’ll have to ask the source AND the management!
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:29:38pm |
re: #140 sattv4u2
Didn’t know (s)he did!
Guess you’ll have to ask the source AND the management!
Charles revoked the 50 comment limit on dinging.
/in bed.;)
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:29:53pm |
!He can become Mirandized and be part of the AMerican judicial system…”
isn’t that something we have all dremed of at some point?
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:30:28pm |
re: #136 blueraven
I saw a post on one of yesterdays threads that Charles has done away with that policy.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:30:29pm |
re: #142 Varek Raith
Charles revoked the 50 comment limit on dinging.
/in bed.;)
ya miss ONE day, you spend the next week catching up!
Thanks !
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JoyousMN Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:30:40pm |
re: #136 blueraven
I don’t have an answer for your question, but it prompts one of my own questions.
Is there a LGF etiquette for upding/downding? I’m asking because I have been using it pretty casually as an agree/disagree tool. But it seems like maybe I should be more restrained in my downdings?
Is there a post that explains this, or can someone help me out?
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:30:47pm |
re: #55 marjoriemoon
The article Reine quoted said they don’t have any machines on the island to move the rubble. They’re bringing them over from the DR. They have to clear out those buildings.
I would think they could dock the ships out in the ocean and take smaller boats in, no?
I would think they’d need several of those big helos to get the equipment on shore, hmmm?
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Bulldoglover100 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:30:49pm |
re: #138 darthstar
Would not mean you were making her a sex object but it would mean your were nuts……
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Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:31:25pm |
Never underestimate teh power of teh cR4zy…. My wife who doesn’t follow politics listened to this and said “well it’s a crazy way to say it but I agree with her on the moving the trials after he pled guilty thing”
Score one for the dingbat demagogue.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:32:38pm |
re: #146 JoyousMN
Ding as you see fit. But be aware that you may also be called upon to justify said +/- ding if someone disagrees with you.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:32:38pm |
re: #146 JoyousMN
I don’t have an answer for your question, but it prompts one of my own questions.
Is there a LGF etiquette for upding/downding? I’m asking because I have been using it pretty casually as an agree/disagree tool. But it seems like maybe I should be more restrained in my downdings?
Is there a post that explains this, or can someone help me out?
Use it how you like. I rarely ding either way, some ding every comment
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Bob Dillon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:32:49pm |
re: #139 WindUpBird
Actually, it is. Civilian targets get more sympathy. One of our army bases in a foreign country on one hand…day care on the other. Which will get more play on the news if each is attacked?
That was my point. Plus history and Avatar for something more recent.
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Tizzy Liz Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:33:43pm |
re: #148 Bulldoglover100
No, it just mean I am an adventurous person. Do you think Bachman dates woman?
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blueraven Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:34:08pm |
re: #146 JoyousMN
Just speaking for myself, I try to use it as a reward, even if I dont agree when the poster makes a good argument without flame throwing.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:34:15pm |
re: #146 JoyousMN
It’s an individual policy.
If someone makes a personal attack i generally down ding.
If i disagree with someone and they make a good argument i upding.
If i disagree with someone and they bring teh stooopid i down ding.
If i agree with someone and they make a rotten point of it i may down ding
If someone makes me chortle i upding.
I don’t upding everything someone says that agree with, and i don’t down ding everything i disagree with.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:34:29pm |
re: #146 JoyousMN
I don’t have an answer for your question, but it prompts one of my own questions.
Is there a LGF etiquette for upding/downding? I’m asking because I have been using it pretty casually as an agree/disagree tool. But it seems like maybe I should be more restrained in my downdings?
Is there a post that explains this, or can someone help me out?
1.) Make your own rules
2.) Try to get everyone else to abide by them.
:)
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:35:40pm |
re: #135 Tizzy Liz
I don’t understand why calling someone attractive and saying she would be interesting date, even if she is crazy and evil, is making someone a sexual object.
Yeah, I don’t get it either I’m as straight as an arrow yet I admire beautiful women all the time (more like envy, but that’s a different story) so is that really turning woman into sex objects even if you don’t want to have sex with them?
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ED 209 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:35:53pm |
re: #107 sattv4u2
Hey! How Tizzy Liz is allowed to ding without 50 posts under his/her belt?
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:35:54pm |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:36:01pm |
re: #146 JoyousMN
re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Use it how you like. I rarely ding either way, some ding every comment
I’m like Krager
I keep the down dinging to someone that name called or is being obnoxious, NOT because I disagree with their point
Updinging is reserved for something that makes me laugh out loud or for someone that researched somethimg I may have been too lazy too or an exceptionally salient point made
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:36:01pm |
Bachman may be nuts, but so is having a KSM show trial in NYC.
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keloyd Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:38:21pm |
re: #152 Bobibutu
You beat me to it! It’s not morally wrong to go after your enemy’s military targets. The Japanese enlisted guys who shot at my grandfather in Guam were doing nothing immoral, imho. Their leadership had the moral burden to not start wars, or kill Tojo and sue for peace, or whatever. The little guy’s moral duty ends at choosing to follow only lawful orders.
Islam is more clear on this than Christianity (though Mohammed lived much longer than Jesus, so he got to go into more specifics.) There are Koranic quotes forbidding the targeting during war of women, children, the elderly, animals, or “a tree that still has one green leaf.” The US Military’s “brain” - you bet that’s a legitimate target, though it is still murder to take the passengers with you.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:38:28pm |
re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Downding for getting my name wrong!
Upding for sattv4u2 to annoy Kragar. :P
/
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JoyousMN Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:38:35pm |
Thanks all. It sounds like I have to figure out my own rational apparently, that’s fine.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:38:56pm |
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:39:11pm |
Hey Charles, maybe you should put in a “ding-a-ling” button!
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What, me worry? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:39:59pm |
re: #163 keloyd
You beat me to it! It’s not morally wrong to go after your enemy’s military targets. The Japanese enlisted guys who shot at my grandfather in Guam were doing nothing immoral, imho. Their leadership had the moral burden to not start wars, or kill Tojo and sue for peace, or whatever. The little guy’s moral duty ends at choosing to follow only lawful orders.
Islam is more clear on this than Christianity (though Mohammed lived much longer than Jesus, so he got to go into more specifics.) There are Koranic quotes forbidding the targeting during war of women, children, the elderly, animals, or “a tree that still has one green leaf.” The US Military’s “brain” - you bet that’s a legitimate target, though it is still murder to take the passengers with you.
The Koran or the Torah? And if it was the Koran, they got it from the Torah.
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Bob Dillon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:40:20pm |
re: #161 Spare O’Lake
Bachman may be nuts, but so is having a KSM show trial in NYC.
Most professionals would agree with you. Our non-professional elected elites would say that we just don’t understand the Big Picture. Trust them!
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Tizzy Liz Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:40:35pm |
re: #159 Bubblehead II
wouldn’t that be a scandal, if she was deeply in closet. She looks a little butch to me
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:40:36pm |
re: #158 ED 209
Hey! How Tizzy Liz is allowed to ding without 50 posts under his/her belt?
See 142 and 144
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lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:40:40pm |
Didn’t she ask a question about why KSM changed his plea after he already plead guilty and requested an execution during a military commission, did the attorney general or president tell him to change his plea?
Sounds like a perfectly reasonable question, who else asked him to change his plea? It surely wasn’t any of the military that said and approved a plea change in this whole deal and move the venue to civilian court in NY. IT was the attorney general and the president who made that decision.
She doesn’t sound all that wacky to me, but what the hell do I know I am from Minnesota and I drink the same water so maybe I am crazy to.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:40:55pm |
Hot Air is now cover the outrageous outrage of Obama’s fake garden. The outrage spreads!
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:40:58pm |
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:41:03pm |
re: #170 Ben Hur
Dear G-d.
There making another Conan movie.
So Leno is getting his old show back?
//
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:41:35pm |
re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Downding for getting my name wrong!
Sunnavabitch DID downding me!!!
lol
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:41:49pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:42:14pm |
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:42:24pm |
re: #159 Bubblehead II
What if it turns out that the sudden increase in guanomanic rhetoric is just a viral infection (think mental bird flu)?
How long do you think it will take for us all to develop immunity or the carriers to die off?
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Bob Dillon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:42:26pm |
re: #163 keloyd
The garden area in the center of the Pentagon ain’t called “Ground Zero” for nothing.
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Surabaya Stew Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:43:00pm |
re: #146 JoyousMN
I don’t have an answer for your question, but it prompts one of my own questions.
Is there a LGF etiquette for upding/downding? I’m asking because I have been using it pretty casually as an agree/disagree tool. But it seems like maybe I should be more restrained in my downdings?
Is there a post that explains this, or can someone help me out?
It’s all about staying true to whom you are. Being consistent in to whom one up or down-dings can be interpreted differently by different people, so the best thing to do is to be fair when handing out the goodies/coal. Personally, I frequently up-ding comments I like and have only down-dinged any comment twice so far. (Both occasions were saved for bigoted flounces.)
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:43:15pm |
re: #174 Killgore Trout
Including the obligatory racist comment….
The Obama’s have Eggplant all over their face.portlandon on January 14, 2010 at 4:26 PM
A slur commonly used by Italians and Italian-Americans to denote a person of color. Melanzane in Italian means “Eggplant”, which itself is used as a slur against blacks because of the almost black color of an eggplant.The word Melanzane (or Melanzana) derives from the words Mela Insana, meaning “noxious apple”. It is often pronounced “Moolinyan” and written as such.
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What, me worry? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:43:16pm |
re: #173 lrsshadow
Didn’t she ask a question about why KSM changed his plea after he already plead guilty and requested an execution during a military commission, did the attorney general or president tell him to change his plea?
Sounds like a perfectly reasonable question, who else asked him to change his plea? It surely wasn’t any of the military that said and approved a plea change in this whole deal and move the venue to civilian court in NY. IT was the attorney general and the president who made that decision.
She doesn’t sound all that wacky to me, but what the hell do I know I am from Minnesota and I drink the same water so maybe I am crazy to.
So I guess that means you agree with her “body of work” in general then?
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prairiefire Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:43:26pm |
re: #146 JoyousMN
I don’t have an answer for your question, but it prompts one of my own questions.
Is there a LGF etiquette for up ding/down ding? I’m asking because I have been using it pretty casually as an agree/disagree tool. But it seems like maybe I should be more restrained in my down dings?
Is there a post that explains this, or can someone help me out?
I’ve decided to down ding on a direct insult basis. I have seen down ding pile ons on something I also did not agree with, but since I wasn’t involved in the conversation/argument, I don’t down ding. I use it sparingly and will be ready with a reason when I do.
I up ding on a much more casual basis. Agreement, a funny, acknowledging the the courtesy of a reply even if I don’t agree with it.
Cheers, love your new avatar.
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:43:53pm |
re: #173 lrsshadow
Wow. You have almost a 1:1 ration of negative karma to comments posted.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:44:26pm |
re: #171 Tizzy Liz
wouldn’t that be a scandal, if she was deeply in closet. She looks a little butch to me
Nah, she didn’t set off my gaydar. I get women hitting on me all the time just because I have a straight forward manner and I wont take any BS. I guess those are supposed to be masculine traits….
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:46:05pm |
re: #146 JoyousMN
I don’t have an answer for your question, but it prompts one of my own questions.
Is there a LGF etiquette for upding/downding? I’m asking because I have been using it pretty casually as an agree/disagree tool. But it seems like maybe I should be more restrained in my downdings?
Is there a post that explains this, or can someone help me out?
I recommend occasionally joining in a gunga ding just for the hell of it.
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shiplord kirel Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:46:06pm |
Gee, I wonder what advice Obama gave the poor buggers in this Taliban compound:
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:46:08pm |
re: #146 JoyousMN
I don’t have an answer for your question, but it prompts one of my own questions.
Is there a LGF etiquette for upding/downding? I’m asking because I have been using it pretty casually as an agree/disagree tool. But it seems like maybe I should be more restrained in my downdings?
Is there a post that explains this, or can someone help me out?
If you see my nic, upding right away.
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keloyd Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:47:24pm |
re: #168 marjoriemoon
Torah has that war thing in it? even mentioning a tree with “one green leaf left”?! I had no idea, otoh, my few Muslim friends are better versed than my few totally secular Jewish friends.
Some author on NPR a while back wrote a book making the case that the Koran was just a collection of “best practices” of Judaism and Christian local sects and practices. He went further to say its original language was Syrio-Aramaic-Arabic or something, the way merchants at port cities today speak a dialect that is a mish mash of languages. Its later translation to classical Arabic created misunderstandings and some of the more harsh quotes.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:47:31pm |
re: #30 reine.de.tout
Early OT, and apologies for it:
But I’m reading about the utter chaos that is Haiti right now, and I just cannot imagine how relief is going to be gotten to the people who need it.
Ships can’t come in because the Port is ruined; so they have to rely on flights coming into a partially acceptable airport. There is no infrastructure to support even the most basic assistance efforts. Nowhere, really, for those people to go except OFF the island. This is hundreds time worse than NOLA after Katrina.
My heart is weeping for those people.
The Marines are due to arrive shortly with a large-deck amphibious craft with a large fleet of helicopters on board. A carrier is also on the way, and will stop in Florida to resupply and stock it’s aircraft supply to full capacity, with an again emphasis on helicopters. They’ll have huge facilities located just offshore, with plenty of transport capability.
The Army (I think; perhaps another branch) landed at the airport yesterday for an initial assessment, and pronounced the runway sound, although the buildings are all damaged. Still, they can rapidly put ATC in place with military equipment. Limiting flights to only those involved in aid efforts will make the problem manageable, and heavy airlift can begin almost immediately.
Several other nations already have similar resources en route.
It’s certainly not a pleasant situation, and I don’t want to give the impression that we hold some sort of magic wand that will make everything better overnight. But there is a tremendous effort to get aid where it’s needed, and tremendous ability to accomplish that task, too.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:47:33pm |
Laura Ingram is hot on the case of the missing sweet potatoes…..
Michelle, my belle, how does your garden grow?
Garden-gate? On the Iron Chef reality show Sunday night, FLOTUS Michelle Obama, in a cameo appearance, bragged about the sweet potatoes she had grown in her White House miracle garden. Many of you have emailed in, questioning the veracity of her claim. Inquiring minds want to know…check out the First Lady’s on-line “planting plan”—no sweet potatoes listed! If, indeed, sweet potatoes were never grown in the garden, how did FLOTUS and the competing chefs pull sweet potatoes out of the ground at the White House? Was Desiree Rogers anywhere in vicinity in couture gardening togs??
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:47:34pm |
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JoyousMN Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:47:54pm |
re: #185 prairiefire
Thanks on the avatar. I didn’t want to put in a real pic so I tweaked it through photoshop.
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lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:48:11pm |
re: #184 marjoriemoon
It was a little over the top, but it didn’t seam to me to be anything beyond what is said every week on the floor of the congress. It is politics after all, remember the Florida congressman who was saying the republicans wanted everyone to die and that was their health care plan. Also Senator Reid’s new book has “light-skinned” African-American “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.” when referring to President Obama, along with other racial/racist comments.
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Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:48:13pm |
re: #174 Killgore Trout
Hot Air is now cover the outrageous outrage of Obama’s fake garden. The outrage spreads!
Zombveggies — they just won’t die
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:48:26pm |
re: #191 reine.de.tout
Upding for the giggle…… revocation for the conceit ;-)
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:48:31pm |
re: #173 lrsshadow
So, you think the Obama Admin actually asked KSM to change his plea?! ‘Cause that’s what Bachman (R-Omicron Persei 8) is insinuating.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:49:05pm |
re: #194 Killgore Trout
Laura Ingram is hot on the case of the missing sweet potatoes…
Michelle, my belle, how does your garden grow?
Fauxtography?
Tubergate is an inside job!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:49:06pm |
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:49:16pm |
re: #181 Bobibutu
Visiting the campus of the college my sister was attending in 1980 I saw a 2’ long arrow with the caption “1.6 miles to Ground Zero” painted on the sidewalk leading up to the student union. At that distance in the indicated direction was the center of the main runway at Wright-Patterson AFB.
I think the Pentagon reference was essentially for the same reason.
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keloyd Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:49:24pm |
re: #183 Killgore Trout
I always loved etymology and the Sopranos, but never knew where moolinyan came from. Up ding for you!
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:49:37pm |
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:50:08pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:50:13pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:50:41pm |
re: #206 Varek Raith
You can reverse it by hitting the plus. ;)
methinks ed209 missed on purpose.
LOL.
Serves me right.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:50:53pm |
re: #206 Varek Raith
gotta hit plus twice to change a ding around, just the once to revoke it.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:51:01pm |
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blueraven Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:51:03pm |
re: #173 lrsshadow
Didn’t she ask a question about why KSM changed his plea after he already plead guilty and requested an execution during a military commission, did the attorney general or president tell him to change his plea?
Sounds like a perfectly reasonable question, who else asked him to change his plea? It surely wasn’t any of the military that said and approved a plea change in this whole deal and move the venue to civilian court in NY. IT was the attorney general and the president who made that decision.
She doesn’t sound all that wacky to me, but what the hell do I know I am from Minnesota and I drink the same water so maybe I am crazy to.
That is quite a definitive statement, without any evidence whatsoever. In fact, it is just ridiculous.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:51:16pm |
re: #202 Killgore Trout
Fauxtography?
Tubergate is an inside job!
Wow, kinda surprised (yeah, who the hell am I kidding!) that this garden nontroversey has traction…
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:51:18pm |
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JoyousMN Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:52:07pm |
re: #197 lrsshadow
Also Senator Reid’s new book has “light-skinned” African-American “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.” when referring to President Obama, along with other racial/racist comments.
Senator Reid does not have a new book. This was a paraphrased of an unsourced conversation. There were no other racial comments attributed to Senator Reid.
This is my favorite quote about Halperin’s ridiculous book: “Just when you think the political news cycle can’t get any stupider, Mark Halperin publishes a book.” —Chris Hayes
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What, me worry? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:52:14pm |
re: #192 keloyd
Torah has that war thing in it? even mentioning a tree with “one green leaf left”?! I had no idea, otoh, my few Muslim friends are better versed than my few totally secular Jewish friends.
Some author on NPR a while back wrote a book making the case that the Koran was just a collection of “best practices” of Judaism and Christian local sects and practices. He went further to say its original language was Syrio-Aramaic-Arabic or something, the way merchants at port cities today speak a dialect that is a mish mash of languages. Its later translation to classical Arabic created misunderstandings and some of the more harsh quotes.
Actually in Judaism it’s fruit trees. It’s a sin to destroy a fruit tree, for obvious reasons (it gives food).
I’ll try to find some more references for you, but here’s a good one from Hillel. [Link: www.hillel.org…]
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:52:36pm |
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ED 209 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:52:36pm |
re: #209 reine.de.tout
methinks ed209 missed on purpose.
LOL.
Serves me right.
I could, but my clicking finger is a little sore…
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:52:46pm |
re: #213 Varek Raith
Wow, kinda surprised (yeah, who the hell am I kidding!) that this garden nontroversey has traction…
Quite frankly, I’d rather have Ingraham, Malkin, etc. go off on a crazy conspiracy over the White House garden than have them soiling our country’s reputation with racist rants about the disaster in Haiti.
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lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:52:59pm |
re: #201 Varek Raith
No I think it was done as a rhetorical question with in her speech. Kind of like when you come home late and you tell the wife “should I just have taken the ditch to get around the traffic then?”
Obviously something happened, a decision was made to change venue and plea, and place KSM in civilian court. That decision could only come from the defendant and the White House/Attorney General.
With that in mind it could be sated that both sides just happened to do each at the same time, after all anything is possible, however it is unlikely.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:53:29pm |
re: #216 marjoriemoon
Actually in Judaism it’s fruit trees. It’s a sin to destroy a fruit tree, for obvious reasons (it gives food).
I’ll try to find some more references for you, but here’s a good one from Hillel. [Link: www.hillel.org…]
[Terry Jones]
My juniper berries!
[/Terry Jones]
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Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:53:49pm |
re: #202 Killgore Trout
Fauxtography?
Tubergate is an inside job!
I’m just surprised they didn’t go off on Flaybama!
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:54:10pm |
re: #220 lrsshadow
Given Bachmann’s past history of crazy comments, I think she fully meant what she said.
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:55:23pm |
re: #220 lrsshadow
This is contradictory. You give an example of a rehtorical question with the answer being ‘no’, but you insinuate the answer to this question actually is yes.
You’re just spouting bullshit, like Bachmann, as far as I’m concerned.
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What, me worry? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:55:28pm |
re: #197 lrsshadow
It was a little over the top, but it didn’t seam to me to be anything beyond what is said every week on the floor of the congress. It is politics after all, remember the Florida congressman who was saying the republicans wanted everyone to die and that was their health care plan. Also Senator Reid’s new book has “light-skinned” African-American “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.” when referring to President Obama, along with other racial/racist comments.
First of all, Reid’s comments were not about what he personally thought. I know there’s debate about that, but I took what he said as a remark about how others in the country will perceive Obama, particularly those who wouldn’t like a Black man in office.
And yea, there are folks in Congress who are over the top, but I don’t praise them. I think you were praising Bachmann. She has never spoken a word that I could agree with.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:55:42pm |
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:55:51pm |
How the heck did she manage to snow so many people into voting for her? She’s an embarrassment to the party!
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:56:56pm |
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Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:57:05pm |
Notice this photo, dated two months ago when it was filmed
[Link: www.daylife.com…]
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:57:22pm |
re: #213 Varek Raith
Wow, kinda surprised (yeah, who the hell am I kidding!) that this garden nontroversey has traction…
It’s sweeping the wingnutoshpere! Alex Jones has uncovered evidence that Alton Brown is an agernt of the New World Order. Glenn Beck is preparing his chalkboard to show the garden layout contains communist symbolism.
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lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:58:10pm |
re: #212 blueraven
That is quite a definitive statement, without any evidence whatsoever. In fact, it is just ridiculous.
Oh, ok, then who else would have the power besides the Attorney General and The White House. Here are the facts;
1) KSM needed to transfer from DOD custody to Justice Department, the only two people with that absolute power would be the President and the Attorney General, Unless the supreme court ordered it, which they didn’t in this case.
2) KSM would need to change his plea, this would need to be accepted by the military commission or overruled by the Attorney General or dismissed.
3) The attorney general would have to establish venue with the Federal Court of NYC. He is the boss after all as the Attorney General.
4) The President and the Attorney General have come out and said they made the decision to put KSM on trial in NYC. The attorney general even testified before the Senate on it.
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JoyousMN Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:58:16pm |
ah Dragon_Lady, thems that love her, LOVE her. I think they see her like Sara Palin, as someone who “drives liberals crazy,” therefore she is great.
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blueraven Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:58:17pm |
re: #197 lrsshadow
I don’t know where you get your news from, but you are terribly ill informed. Might want to check that.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:58:40pm |
re: #228 Spare O’Lake
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At least I’m completely upfront …
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:58:47pm |
re: #228 Spare O’Lake
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:59:02pm |
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RogueOne Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:59:28pm |
re: #186 Obdicut
Wow. You have almost a 1:1 ration of negative karma to comments posted.
Exactly a 1:1, I was going to ruin it but changed my mind.
I’ve given exactly 2 down dings my entire time. I’m an updinger kinda guy.
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ED 209 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:59:29pm |
re: #228 Spare O’Lake
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:59:43pm |
re: #173 lrsshadow
Didn’t she ask a question about why KSM changed his plea after he already plead guilty and requested an execution during a military commission, did the attorney general or president tell him to change his plea?
Sounds like a perfectly reasonable question, who else asked him to change his plea? It surely wasn’t any of the military that said and approved a plea change in this whole deal and move the venue to civilian court in NY. IT was the attorney general and the president who made that decision.
She doesn’t sound all that wacky to me, but what the hell do I know I am from Minnesota and I drink the same water so maybe I am crazy to.
Yeaaaahhhh…no one has ever changed their plea before on, say, the advice of their attorney. It must be the AG or the President…
That’s kind of crazy talk when you have no evidence whatsoever to indicate it might be true.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:59:46pm |
re: #229 Thanos
No sweet potatoes in sight!
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 1:59:46pm |
re: #231 lrsshadow
Oh, ok, then who else would have the power besides the Attorney General and The White House.
Uh - the defendant. That’s the one who actually submits a plea.
Maybe you missed that part.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:00:09pm |
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:00:20pm |
re: #228 Spare O’Lake
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I got to the asterisk, but didn’t see a green plus sign next to it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:00:30pm |
re: #174 Killgore Trout
Hot Air is now cover the outrageous outrage of Obama’s fake garden. The outrage spreads!
I can’t tell you how many nights I lie awake, fuming that Michelle Obama is passing off storebought vegetables as her own.
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lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:01:05pm |
re: #224 Obdicut
Well my point was simply that she gave it in the form of a question not to be answered. If she was making an accusation, then I think she would have phrased it as a statement of fact or inquire to be resolved rather than a rhetorical question.
Its politics. What do you want me to say, they sling mud.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:01:45pm |
re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist
I can’t tell you how many nights I lie awake, fuming that Michelle Obama is passing off storebought vegetables as her own.
Me too SFZ.
I mean, I’ve had to take sleep aids over this.
If I get addicted … well, it’ll all be Obama’s fault.
/ / /
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:02:06pm |
re: #245 lrsshadow
Well my point was simply that she gave it in the form of a question not to be answered. If she was making an accusation, then I think she would have phrased it as a statement of fact or inquire to be resolved rather than a rhetorical question.
Its politics. What do you want me to say, they sling mud.
Uh huh. The Glenn Beck Excuse - “I’m just asking questions here.”
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blueraven Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:02:27pm |
re: #245 lrsshadow
And you pick up the mud and fling it again.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:03:51pm |
re: #245 lrsshadow
Well my point was simply that she gave it in the form of a question not to be answered. If she was making an accusation,…
Um… that is one of the most common methods of accusation, e.g.: Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
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keloyd Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:04:23pm |
There was a time when the Republican party was not to cowardly to remove its cancerous warts. When “Republican” David Duke ran for governor and later US Senate, the rest of the party gave him no support or respect. No one of significance spoke on his behalf, iirc. Many Republican leaders spoke against him.
Why can’t we be as good today as Louisiana Republicans 20 years ago? Any speech by Bachmann should be followed by a half dozen Republicans pointing out she’s nuttier than squirrel poo.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:04:36pm |
re: #232 JoyousMN
ah Dragon_Lady, thems that love her, LOVE her. I think they see her like Sara Palin, as someone who “drives liberals crazy,” therefore she is great.
I know my Hubby Bubby’s a fan….
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:04:44pm |
re: #243 darthstar
I got to the asterisk, but didn’t see a green plus sign next to it.
This is the thanks I get for rendering a free service.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:04:56pm |
re: #93 wozzablog
MIlitary targets generate less sympathy.
I don’t think it’s as much that as it is the fact that pretty much everyone has seen eleventy-million photos and videos of each tower getting hit, the towers burning, the towers falling, the people running from the giant cloud of debris. Lots of people saw it in real-time, and that kind of drama makes an impression. That’s not to minimize what happened ni PA or DC, but those just haven’t been burned into the mind like the WTC was.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:05:00pm |
re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist
I can’t tell you how many nights I lie awake, fuming that Michelle Obama is passing off storebought vegetables as her own.
re: #246 reine.de.tout
Me too SFZ.
I mean, I’ve had to take sleep aids over this.
If I get addicted … well, it’ll all be Obama’s fault.
/ / /
Let’s see; We’re gonna need torches, pitchforks…. oh, a castle to storm and a healthy dose of CAPSLOCKRAAAGGGEEE!
Where the hell’s the nearest castle?!
///
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Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:05:00pm |
re: #240 Killgore Trout
No sweet potatoes in sight!
Of course the Food Channel would be in on it, who better to help pollute America’s precious bodily fluids — I mean I bet they advocate for Arugula!
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:05:35pm |
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:06:09pm |
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lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:06:28pm |
re: #241 SixDegrees
Uh - the defendant. That’s the one who actually submits a plea.
Maybe you missed that part.
You cannot have your venue changed from Military Commission to Show Civilian Trial on TV in NYC, by changing you plea.
So, uh he could change his plea and have a military commission, but it is highly suspect that he would do so at the exact same time as the White House and Justice Department Decided to make the change in venue. He has been in custody for years and never changed his plea. Just a coincidence, maybe, but highly unlikely.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:06:49pm |
re: #213 Varek Raith
Wow, kinda surprised (yeah, who the hell am I kidding!) that this garden nontroversey has traction…
I am surprised. How badly do you have to hate the Obamas to care about a cooking show?
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lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:07:46pm |
re: #247 SixDegrees
Ah good point, you are right, but I think that Beck takes it to the extreme end. Bachmann does enough dabbing in it to keep her on the news 5 days a week.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:07:47pm |
re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist
I can’t tell you how many nights I lie awake, fuming that Michelle Obama is passing off storebought vegetables as her own.
Rage…building…anger…rising…can’t speak…complete sentences
RAAAARGH!
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:07:49pm |
re: #256 wozzablog
You need to get yourself a revenge crush…
;-)
Nah, I know where he’s sleeping tonight! We have a very comfy couch in our living room…At least that’s what he says!
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:07:56pm |
re: #235 Dragon_Lady
Hey Charles, you sure you don’t want to add a ding-a-ling button?
Get in line, lady.
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Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:07:57pm |
Get on the loon train
loon Train!
Get on the loon train…
Loon Train!
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:08:41pm |
=re: #248 blueraven
And you pick up the mud and fling it again.
um..I think what he’s flinging is a bit pungent to be mud….
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:08:44pm |
Dan Riehl is also freaking about about MSM coverage of the White House Garden today…..
AP’s Michelle Obama Headline So Sweet, You’ll Puke
Journalists are just so clever today. That, or they’re using school-age interns to write more and more of their crap. Maybe it’s both.
Michelle Obama’s garden ex`seeds’ her expectationsWASHINGTON (AP) — To Michelle Obama, her White House garden is more than a plot of land. It also is a soapbox, a podium from where she can send her message of healthy eating.
The South Lawn garden has given Mrs. Obama a platform to speak out about a major childhood obesity problem in the United States, extol the benefits of eating fresh food and teach children early to appreciate vegetables.
It also has offered Mrs. Obama another way to open the White House to people who do not normally visit.
Outrage!
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TampaKnight Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:08:58pm |
I feel for the people in charge of NYC security when that circus begins.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:09:42pm |
re: #266 Killgore Trout
Dan Riehl is also freaking about about MSM coverage of the White House Garden today…
AP’s Michelle Obama Headline So Sweet, You’ll Puke
Outrage!
So, are the wingnuts approaching anywhere near a critical mass yet???
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:09:53pm |
re: #224 Obdicut
This is contradictory. You give an example of a rehtorical question with the answer being ‘no’, but you insinuate the answer to this question actually is yes.
You’re just spouting bullshit, like Bachmann, as far as I’m concerned.
And this is how it works. Bachmann accuses the president of the United States of something ridiculous, underhanded, and I presume, illegal, with no evidence whatsoever, and people rush to not only justify her stupidity, but accept her premise. After that, it becomes sort of reasonable to think, because the man on the street said it…
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:10:24pm |
re: #258 lrsshadow
You cannot have your venue changed from Military Commission to Show Civilian Trial on TV in NYC, by changing you plea.
So, uh he could change his plea and have a military commission, but it is highly suspect that he would do so at the exact same time as the White House and Justice Department Decided to make the change in venue. He has been in custody for years and never changed his plea. Just a coincidence, maybe, but highly unlikely.
Are you using good, American tinfoil for your head protection? ‘Cause if you’re not, you need to know that those cheap foreign imports just don’t do the job anywhere near as well; some of the Chinese brands, in fact, have been found with nanotransmitters embedded in them that amplify and re-broadcast the signal, making it even stronger instead of reducing it.
Go get yourself some reliable, American foil and be sure to read the instructions.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:10:34pm |
re: #254 Varek Raith
… CAPSLOCKRAAAGGGEEE!
…
I think you misspelled that.
Should be:
CAPSLOCKRAY-YEEEEEEGE.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:10:53pm |
re: #234 reine.de.tout
Sneaky!
At least I’m completely upfront …
I am as always in awe of the magnificent honesty of my monarch.
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JoyousMN Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:10:56pm |
re: #266 Killgore Trout
OMG KT, I liked her before, but now that I’ve seen that headline…
Jesus. I’m reminded of William Shatner’s great line from SNL, “Get a life, people!”
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:11:12pm |
CNN is apparently showing live video from Haiti. I’ve been working and listening to the audio stream on Sirius through my headphones, so I don’t have the video. But about thirty seconds ago I found myself feeling physically ill, and finally realized it was the incessant sound of people suffering, mourning, screaming, crying, etc. Okay, enough of that for now. Sheesh.
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RogueOne Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:11:53pm |
re: #266 Killgore Trout
Dan Riehl is also freaking about about MSM coverage of the White House Garden today…
Michelle Obama’s garden ex`seeds’ her expectations
Outrage!
That, right there, is an outrage. That’s a horrible pun and someone should harshly punished.
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Stanghazi Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:12:41pm |
re: #260 lrsshadow
Ah good point, you are right, but I think that Beck takes it to the extreme end. Bachmann does enough dabbing in it to keep her on the news 5 days a week.
No, she’s been out of the news as of late. Thursday and Friday of this week is her time for attention grabbing. Tomorrow it’s Rush again. (Or Palin?)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:13:03pm |
re: #231 lrsshadow
Oh, ok, then who else would have the power besides the Attorney General and The White House. Here are the facts;
1) KSM needed to transfer from DOD custody to Justice Department, the only two people with that absolute power would be the President and the Attorney General, Unless the supreme court ordered it, which they didn’t in this case.
2) KSM would need to change his plea, this would need to be accepted by the military commission or overruled by the Attorney General or dismissed.
3) The attorney general would have to establish venue with the Federal Court of NYC. He is the boss after all as the Attorney General.
4) The President and the Attorney General have come out and said they made the decision to put KSM on trial in NYC. The attorney general even testified before the Senate on it.
We’re not talking about whether Obama and Holder made the decision to try KSM in a civil court. They did. There is no doubt of that. What we’re talking about is whether they told the defendent in said trial to change his plea, for their own political purposes, which is a TEENY bit different.
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lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:13:09pm |
re: #270 SixDegrees
Maybe you should take LAW 101 if you think after entering a plea of guilty that you can change the plea years later, ask for and get a change in jurisdiction and venue. That is just stupid, sorry, oh and by the way if you hear voices in your head from demons the Tin Foil Hat Does Work in stopping their diabolical mind control stuff.
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abolitionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:13:11pm |
re: #170 Ben Hur
Dear G-d.
There making another Conan movie.
I liked the Coneheads. They seemed quite civilized, and that Forth of July show was impressive.
/Bachman mode off
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:13:35pm |
re: #268 Varek Raith
So, are the wingnuts approaching anywhere near a critical mass yet???
I don’t think so.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:13:57pm |
re: #279 abolitionist
I liked the Coneheads. They seemed quite civilized, and that Forth of July show was impressive.
/Bachman mode off
But aren’t they from….FRANCE!?!!
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Kruk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:14:29pm |
re: #207 wozzablog
I still think it should be
Bachmann - R(Z’ha’dum)
As in “If you go to Z’ha’dum, you will die-in”? If so, I regret I only have one upding to give that comment. :)
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:14:45pm |
re: #280 JoyousMN
I’m totally bookmarking that site.
Someone has put a huge amount of work into it. Lots of good information there! ;-)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:15:05pm |
re: #245 lrsshadow
Well my point was simply that she gave it in the form of a question not to be answered. If she was making an accusation, then I think she would have phrased it as a statement of fact or inquire to be resolved rather than a rhetorical question.
Its politics. What do you want me to say, they sling mud.
Just asking questions…
I think our point is that she is slinging mud. Baseless mud. You seemed to think she might be on to something.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:15:37pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:15:47pm |
re: #207 wozzablog
I still think it should be
Bachmann - R(Z’ha’dum)
What?! The Shadows wouldn’t be able to tolerate her!
:)
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:16:12pm |
re: #271 reine.de.tout
I think you misspelled that.
Should be:
CAPSLOCKRAY-YEEEGE.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:17:14pm |
re: #275 RogueOne
That, right there, is an outrage. That’s a horrible pun and someone should harshly punished.
Nah, its just a little con”seed”ed.
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Mr.Boots Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:17:19pm |
re: #22 reine.de.tout
This sort of wild speculation, making things up out of thin air, is so incredibly irresponsible and idiotic!
WTF is wrong with her? She looks so normal …
Normal? Have you ever looked into those eyes? I learned at an early age, no matter how late the hour, no matter how drunk or stoned I was, no matter how beautiful she was, never to get involved with any woman with “crazy eyes.”
The eyes are the doorway to the soul was the zen line of the late 60s. How true, How true.
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Kruk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:17:55pm |
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Jack Burton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:18:05pm |
re: #207 wozzablog
I still think it should be
Bachmann - R(Z’ha’dum)
I was thinking she was getting so far out that perhaps it was time to go to something like Bachmann (R-Iapetus) or (R-Oberon) but perhaps it is time to go interstellar.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:18:16pm |
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torrentprime Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:18:26pm |
re: #268 Varek Raith
So, are the wingnuts approaching anywhere near a critical mass yet???
The wingularity, you mean? (h/t balloonjuice)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:18:35pm |
re: #258 lrsshadow
You cannot have your venue changed from Military Commission to Show Civilian Trial on TV in NYC, by changing you plea.
So, uh he could change his plea and have a military commission, but it is highly suspect that he would do so at the exact same time as the White House and Justice Department Decided to make the change in venue. He has been in custody for years and never changed his plea. Just a coincidencmaybe, but highly unlikely.
Once they got the change of venue, maybe his lawyer advised the change of plea? That’s what happens in the real world.
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avanti Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:19:40pm |
I now proudly present “veggiegate”/ (From Michelle Malkin)
” For months, the Food Network ran ads about a forthcoming episode of “Iron Chef America,” its flagship chefs plus secret ingredient versus time competition. The show would take place at the White House garden, with Michelle Obama making a cameo and plugging her responsible-eating initiative. The network promised it would be its biggest episode ever. The buildup matched the reality: The Jan. 3 “Iron Chef America” drew 7.6 million viewers, the highest-rated show in network history. In it, superstar chef Mario Batali teamed with Emeril Lagasse, and Bobby Flay with White House chef Cristeta Comerford to cook five dishes using the secret ingredient: produce from the White House garden. Except for one thing: As first reported on AOL’s Politics Daily blog, the fruits and vegetables used on the show weren’t from the White House. They were stunt produce. Ringers. At the beginning of the two-hour special, the chefs were shown picking sweet potatoes, broccoli, fennel and tomatillos from the White House garden. Then the chefs were seen walking into Kitchen Stadium, produce in hand. One problem: The show is filmed in New York City.”
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:20:03pm |
re: #278 lrsshadow
ummm,,, eeerrrrr ,,, ahhhh ,, KSM didn’t ‘enter a plea of guilty” yet, as there was no tribunal. He may have stated a DESIRE to do so and even a DESIRE to be executed, but again, that was not done IN a judicial setting
Now that he has the full weight of the US Constitution at his disposal via a civilian court, I’m sure he will take every opportunity to try any and everything
ALSO,,,, i’m downdinging you not for the jist of your posts, which I disagree with, but due to the personal shot you took at a poster(s)
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:20:36pm |
re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist
Once they got the change of venue, maybe his lawyer advised the change of plea? That’s what happens in the real world.
You’re trying to reason with someone who is just trying to be unreasonable.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:20:53pm |
re: #268 Varek Raith
So, are the wingnuts approaching anywhere near a critical mass yet???
Fast neutron counts are going up… when the wave of anti-neutrinos hit we’ll know they’ve gone supernova.
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What, me worry? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:20:57pm |
re: #259 SanFranciscoZionist
I am surprised. How badly do you have to hate the Obamas to care about a cooking show?
Laura Ingraham is one jealous bitch. She wishes she was married to the leader of the free world. She wishes she had the amount of grace Michelle has in her little finger or is as elegant. While Michelle reaches out to children, Laura types out made up BS from her computer day in and out.
I loved that slideshow. Those kids will have the loveliest memories to last a lifetime. And ole Laura can just sit there and be her bitter self.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:21:01pm |
re: #297 avanti
Problem 2: Those dipshits are focusing on complete non-issues.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:21:09pm |
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:21:54pm |
re: #278 lrsshadow
Maybe you should take LAW 101 if you think after entering a plea of guilty that you can change the plea years later, ask for and get a change in jurisdiction and venue. That is just stupid, sorry, oh and by the way if you hear voices in your head from demons the Tin Foil Hat Does Work in stopping their diabolical mind control stuff.
There was no formal guilty plea.
Full stop.
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lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:22:04pm |
re: #277 SanFranciscoZionist
We’re not talking about whether Obama and Holder made the decision to try KSM in a civil court. They did. There is no doubt of that. What we’re talking about is whether they told the defendent in said trial to change his plea, for their own political purposes, which is a TEENY bit different.
Yah I guess to be clear what she really should have said was
“oh so I guess that the attorney’s of KSM were called by the Justice Department or White House and they must have told them that they were going to change the venue to NYC and Jurisdiction to Federal Court, and they could now change their plea if they wished to, plus if they didn’t change their plea to not-guilty the trial would not go on. Then KSM changed his plea apparently, because he did in fact change his plea, I am I would like to ask my fellow congressman, what would have happened if the Justice Department announced the change in venue and jurisdiction only to find out KSM wouldn’t change his plea. That would be kind of embarrassing, so the only way they would move forward is if KSM changed his plea and guess what he did. I would like to know how much influence was involved in KSM apparent change of plea”
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:22:16pm |
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:22:39pm |
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freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:23:09pm |
re: #297 avanti
Oh noes…!!! Are you telling me a television program is a staged production?
Next thing you know, you’ll be telling me the Great Pumpkin isn’t real…
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simoom Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:23:20pm |
re: #202 Killgore Trout
Fauxtography?
Tubergate is an inside job!
OK, that photo made me hungry. I don’t have any sweet potatos but I guess some mashed butternut squash will have to suffice.
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torrentprime Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:23:57pm |
re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist
Once they got the change of venue, maybe his lawyer advised the change of plea? That’s what happens in the real world.
Real world… pshaw! It’s the world in their brains that matters!
I posted some comments (on my FB) recently about Rush’s Haiti comments and threw in a few Michael Savage gems. A conservative friend of mine accused me of “taking them out of context and relying on liberal bloggers edited transcripts.” I asked which parts were in fact untrue or changed by context. Cue crickets… Nothing matters to some of them anymore except completely linear arguments, laundry lists of outrage, and complaining about the ref. Sigh…
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:24:25pm |
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:24:34pm |
re: #308 freetoken
Say it ain’t so……say it ain’t so…..
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:25:09pm |
re: #306 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
It makes it easier to strangle each other to death.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:25:27pm |
re: #305 lrsshadow
Yah I guess to be clear what she really should have said was
“oh so I guess that the attorney’s of KSM were called by the Justice Department or White House and they must have told them that they were going to change the venue to NYC and Jurisdiction to Federal Court, and they could now change their plea if they wished to, plus if they didn’t change their plea to not-guilty the trial would not go on. Then KSM changed his plea apparently, because he did in fact change his plea, I am I would like to ask my fellow congressman, what would have happened if the Justice Department announced the change in venue and jurisdiction only to find out KSM wouldn’t change his plea. That would be kind of embarrassing, so the only way they would move forward is if KSM changed his plea and guess what he did. I would like to know how much influence was involved in KSM apparent change of plea”
Serious question: What’s your fucking point? You think Bachmann was right? Michelle Bachmann’s only purpose for talking was to take shots at the Obama administration…even if she had to hypothesize and make shit up to do so.
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Mr.Boots Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:25:29pm |
I’ve had the theory for some time, based on years of observing high school Homincoming and Prom Queen types duke it out, that anytime Palin starts getting tons of attention, Bachman will come out with some outrageous statement to get some attention of her own.
My theory seems to be holding up.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:25:33pm |
re: #306 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The episode they get stuck in an elevator together - pure class.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:25:43pm |
re: #305 lrsshadow
Since there was no formal guilty plea he could have changed his mind for a military tribunal. As it stands his plea was open in either case.
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RogueOne Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:25:49pm |
I’m tired of making fun of the BachmaMNn in this thread, I say we go back to making fun of scott ritter now. I don’t have that completely out of my system yet.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:25:55pm |
re: #307 wozzablog
There was some good ones and some bad ones. Every series has them.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:26:04pm |
re: #304 Gus 802
There was no formal guilty plea.
Full stop.
This ground has already been covered.
Troll alert.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:26:24pm |
re: #308 freetoken
Oh noes…!!! Are you telling me a television program is a staged production?
Next thing you know, you’ll be telling me the Great Pumpkin isn’t real…
Linus is going to be pissed!
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avanti Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:26:31pm |
re: #308 freetoken
Oh noes…!!! Are you telling me a television program is a staged production?
Next thing you know, you’ll be telling me the Great Pumpkin isn’t real…
My friend runs a pawn shop, and we both laugh at how fake Pawn Stars is, it’s totally staged and scripted, as are many “reality shows”.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:26:35pm |
re: #305 lrsshadow
Yah I guess to be clear what she really should have said was
“oh so I guess that the attorney’s of KSM were called by the Justice Department or White House and they must have told them that they were going to change the venue to NYC and Jurisdiction to Federal Court, and they could now change their plea if they wished to, plus if they didn’t change their plea to not-guilty the trial would not go on. Then KSM changed his plea apparently, because he did in fact change his plea, I am I would like to ask my fellow congressman, what would have happened if the Justice Department announced the change in venue and jurisdiction only to find out KSM wouldn’t change his plea. That would be kind of embarrassing, so the only way they would move forward is if KSM changed his plea and guess what he did. I would like to know how much influence was involved in KSM apparent change of plea”
This is still libelous bullshit with nothing at all to back it up.
Please, learn to paragraph.
How do you imagine the world would have changed if KSM had maintained a plea of ‘guilty’?
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:27:05pm |
re: #313 Bubblehead II
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
It makes it easier to strangle each other to death.
Vir Cotto had the best line in the whole series.
“I’d like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this.
[waves]
Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden? “
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simoom Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:27:38pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:28:42pm |
re: #305 lrsshadow
So what’s it like to just make up random nonsense? Is it fun?
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avanti Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:28:43pm |
I like that GW Bush and Bill Clinton are going to work for Haiti relief together.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:28:50pm |
re: #318 RogueOne
I’m sure you could combine the two if you tried… oh, and be sure to through “veggiegate” in there too!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:28:50pm |
re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Vir Cotto had the best line in the whole series.
“I’d like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this.
[waves]
Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden? “
Vir and Londo are both just amazing characters.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:29:19pm |
re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Vir Cotto had the best line in the whole series.
“I’d like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this.
[waves]
Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden? “
And of course the best part being several episodes later when he got to do it.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:29:21pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:29:30pm |
re: #327 avanti
I like that GW Bush and Bill Clinton are going to work for Haiti relief together.
They’re a good pair, interestingly enough. I guess there’s not a lot of guys out there that know what it’s like.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:31:07pm |
re: #324 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
One of my teevee moments of the ’90s.
Vir was probbaly my favourite charachter from the series, followed closely by Marcus.
Favourite command officer - Ivanova.
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lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:31:32pm |
re: #314 darthstar
Well here is it in a nut shell,
Did Obama or Holder call up KSM and say “hay dude, why don’t you just like change your plea man, then we could like have a big show trial and look tough on terror” NO
Did staff call KSM lawyers and let them know what they intended to do *wink* *wink* if KSM changed his plea? YES, of coarse they did, why else would this all come together so perfectly all at the same time. It is simple logic, now the question is was it ethical, moral, and legal to do so, YES as a matter of fact it maybe even legally obligated to disclose the intent of venue and jurisdiction change to defense council.
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Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:31:41pm |
re: #289 Dragon_Lady
In a dramatic breakthrough in recycling foe Washington DC-The bulls*&t in the Senate becomes the fertilizer for the White House Garden.
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blueraven Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:31:50pm |
re: #305 lrsshadow
How many terrorist have been tried and convicted under military tribunals?
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simoom Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:32:16pm |
re: #269 SanFranciscoZionist
And this is how it works. Bachmann accuses the president of the United States of something ridiculous, underhanded, and I presume, illegal, with no evidence whatsoever, and people rush to not only justify her stupidity, but accept her premise. After that, it becomes sort of reasonable to think, because the man on the street said it…
Shifting the Overton window? :P
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avanti Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:32:24pm |
re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist
They’re a good pair, interestingly enough. I guess there’s not a lot of guys out there that know what it’s like.
I know Bill and the elder Bush became friends, but GW and Bill could be a great non political team too.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:32:27pm |
re: #333 wozzablog
One of my teevee moments of the ’90s.
Vir was probbaly my favourite charachter from the series, followed closely by Marcus.
Favourite command officer - Ivanova.
I like Garibaldi and G’kar best. I also liked Bester. Good bad guy.
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Ben Hur Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:32:27pm |
re: #327 avanti
I like that GW Bush and Bill Clinton are going to work for Haiti relief together.
Everyone’s making deals with the Devil, these days.
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Kruk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:32:46pm |
re: #60 aagcobb
I didn’t think there would be a show trial either. Then I read that Dr. Tiller’s murderer is going to be allowed to testify that he thought he was protecting the unborn by gunning down the Cr. in church, and the judge will decide whether or not to instruct the jury on a possible verdict of voluntary manslaughter!
From what I understand of the voluntary manslaughter defense, it only requires that the defendant had a “unreasonable but honest” belief that what the killing was neccessary. If that’s upheld, the implications for anyone working in the abortion area are terrifying.
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lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:33:11pm |
re: #323 SanFranciscoZionist
This is still libelous bullshit with nothing at all to back it up.
Please, learn to paragraph.
How do you imagine the world would have changed if KSM had maintained a plea of ‘guilty’?
Well what would not have changed was setting a precedent that any enemy combatant has full rights under Habius Corpus even if caught at a time of war in the battlefield.
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RogueOne Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:33:16pm |
Another closed transparency meeting. I guess it’s a joke that never seems to get old for our gov’t.
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com…]
Unsubstantiated rumors that Vice President Joe Biden had suddenly gone a little loopy and ordered some of his official meetings opened to at least cursory public or media attention were just that — unsubstantiated rumors.After a recent public sighting, fears had mounted that the one-time, long-term senator might rebel against traditional White House strictures and start acting on all the administration’s oft-promised promises of government transparency and official openness running back into 2008.
But the VP’s public schedule today puts all those fears to rest.
In fact, loyal Ticket readers will recall that one day last summer with no advance warning whatsoever Biden’s official White House schedule changed from listing frequent “private meetings” to listing frequent meetings that are “closed press.” Was this dramatic and little-noticed vocabulary change a sign of internal administration turmoil? What did it really mean?
No, of course not. And, nothing.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:33:43pm |
re: #334 lrsshadow
Well here is it in a nut shell,
Did Obama or Holder call up KSM and say “hay dude, why don’t you just like change your plea man, then we could like have a big show trial and look tough on terror” NO
Did staff call KSM lawyers and let them know what they intended to do *wink* *wink* if KSM changed his plea? YES, of coarse they did, why else would this all come together so perfectly all at the same time. It is simple logic, now the question is was it ethical, moral, and legal to do so, YES as a matter of fact it maybe even legally obligated to disclose the intent of venue and jurisdiction change to defense council.
cOnSpIrAcY tHeOry
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Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:34:35pm |
re: #251 Dragon_Lady
Did you just call me a fan a Bachmann?!
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:34:44pm |
re: #339 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Never could watch Babylon 5….tried a couple of times…must have hit all the bad episodes. Just didn’t hold my interest at all.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:35:02pm |
re: #339 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Exceptional baddy.
Few if any weak charachters through the entire 5 seasons. One of te many things that made it a stand out.
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avanti Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:36:08pm |
re: #340 Ben Hur
Everyone’s making deals with the Devil, these days.
Politics aside, they are both patriots, and can pull help from all sides. Neither one is a rookie at raising money either.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:36:35pm |
re: #347 PT Barnum
Some of it was like later x-files episodes - the story arc was pretty intense, and if you didn’t start from the beginning it could be fairly daunting.
There were some stand out episodes that were light on the arc though.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:36:57pm |
re: #341 Kruk
From what I understand of the voluntary manslaughter defense, it only requires that the defendant had a “unreasonable but honest” belief that what the killing was neccessary. If that’s upheld, the implications for anyone working in the abortion area are terrifying.
That’s a pretty bad precedent to set in any court. The sheer number of killings that could be crammed under that rubric is, uh, scary.
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Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:37:09pm |
re: #256 wozzablog
Revenge crush? Hah!
Headline I’d love to see next week
Palin/Beck/OReilley sex tape released. Online views zero.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:37:19pm |
re: #347 PT Barnum
Never could watch Babylon 5…tried a couple of times…must have hit all the bad episodes. Just didn’t hold my interest at all.
First season just seemed ponderous. I didn’t really get into it until season 3 and then later went back to see the other episodes. The writers had planned every major story element ahead of time and it all built up over time. Good writing there. I think they just posted all the scripts online so people could see what went into it.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:37:21pm |
re: #339 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I also liked Bester. Good bad guy.
All he was interested in was the welfare of “his” teeps” Screw with his teeps and you died.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:38:10pm |
re: #334 lrsshadow
Well here is it in a nut shell,
Did Obama or Holder call up KSM and say “hay dude, why don’t you just like change your plea man, then we could like have a big show trial and look tough on terror” NO
Did staff call KSM lawyers and let them know what they intended to do *wink* *wink* if KSM changed his plea? YES, of coarse they did, why else would this all come together so perfectly all at the same time. It is simple logic, now the question is was it ethical, moral, and legal to do so, YES as a matter of fact it maybe even legally obligated to disclose the intent of venue and jurisdiction change to defense council.
It’s of course, not of ‘coarse’…here, let me explain it to you in language you’ll understand. Understanding is that thing people sometimes do when they actually listen to what others say and cognitively register the meaning of their words, which are these things I’m typing with the white space between them. Sometimes words can make sense, for example, when someone says, “Hey, it’s raining outside!” one can usually assume that they’re talking about the weather (which, of course—not coarse—you shouldn’t confuse with the word “whether”, as in “I wonder whether I should post another dumbshit defense of Michelle Bachmann?” (the answer to that, of course—not coarse—being a resounding “No.”. Anyway, back to what I was saying about speaking in terms I think you’ll understand (Understanding being that thing people sometimes do when they cognitively register the meaning of the words—those things we type with spaces between them)….
Oh, never mind (mind, as in the verb sense of “Don’t you worry your little head about it” and not mind, the thing which you’ve apparently abandoned in your quest to get under peoples’ skin).
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torrentprime Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:38:22pm |
re: #341 Kruk
From what I understand of the voluntary manslaughter defense, it only requires that the defendant had a “unreasonable but honest” belief that what the killing was neccessary. If that’s upheld, the implications for anyone working in the abortion area are terrifying.
re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist
Volokh covered this, and held out some hope that the defense would be denied; the statue mentions this:
(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent it appears to such person and such person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to defend such person or a third person against such other’s imminent use of unlawful force.
Since the doctor was performing legal abortions, his “imminent use of… force” was not unlawful. The defense shouldn’t be allowed. Here’s hoping?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:39:16pm |
re: #342 lrsshadow
Well what would not have changed was setting a precedent that any enemy combatant has full rights under Habius Corpus even if caught at a time of war in the battlefield.
So, let me unpack that. You have absolutely no evidence for what you’re saying, and neither does Bachmann, but you disapprove of Holder’s decision to try KSM civilly—as, BTB, do I, and many other people trying to reason with you here—so you figure you can say whatever you like?
Classic troofer rationale there.
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Kragar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:39:21pm |
re: #349 wozzablog
Exceptional baddy.
Few if any weak charachters through the entire 5 seasons. One of te many things that made it a stand out.
That is what made Bester so great. He was genuinely evil, and seemed to revel in it, simply because he excused it as necessary for the good of the Corps.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:40:21pm |
re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist
That’s a pretty bad precedent to set in any court. The sheer number of killings that could be crammed under that rubric is, uh, scary.
The point of this move isn’t to escape a conviction - Roeder has no problem becoming a martyr. It’s a move calculated to turn the witness stand into a podium from which he can spout his views to the world with full media attention, and pursuing this strategy publicizes those views before the trial has even begun.
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:40:52pm |
re: #353 Rightwingconspirator
There were a bunch of Sarah Palin pornos mad eby the big adult vid firms……….. scary stuff. Very scary stuff.
But downding for that mental image - there is not enough brain soap in the world……
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:41:16pm |
re: #297 avanti
There’s been a lot of outrage over the garden the past few days. Laura Ingram has discovered there are no sweet potatoes in the garden and Dan Riehl is seething of the fawning MSM coverage of the garden (links upthread)
| 363 |
Kruk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:41:28pm |
re: #303 Bubblehead II
re: #283 Kruk
Updings for the B5 references.
Have the complete set plus the feature length movies.
I’m holding of starting my B5 (and Battlestar Galatica) collections till I get a Blu-Ray player. Between my Buffy, Angel, Stargate, and Atlantis collections (plus a few odd seasons from other shows) the house is getting a little cluttered. Even my very understanding wife is starting to lose patience.
| 364 |
Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:41:56pm |
re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist
Imagine that defense if a euthanasia practitioner were shot. Like a Dr Kevorkian. Not gonna fly anyway.
| 365 |
darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:42:10pm |
re: #362 Killgore Trout
There’s been a lot of outrage over the garden the past few days. Laura Ingram has discovered there are no sweet potatoes in the garden and Dan Riehl is seething of the fawning MSM coverage of the garden (links upthread)
Of course there are no sweet potatoes in the garden…they harvested them. Duh!
| 366 |
RogueOne Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:42:24pm |
re: #328 freetoken
I’m sure you could combine the two if you tried… oh, and be sure to through “veggiegate” in there too!
One day Scott Ritter came home from a long day inspecting baby milk factories in baghdad and found his wife on their bed crying.
He bends down and asks his wife “what”s wrong?” She looks at him and says in disgust, “I know the truth about you” she sobs and continues, “I know you”re a PEDOPHILE!” Scott walks up to her,hugs her, and says “Honey, I”m so proud of you “pedophile” is such a big word for a 10 year old.”
/there’s not a 48-hour rule for making fun of Ritter is there?
| 367 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:42:28pm |
re: #360 SixDegrees
The point of this move isn’t to escape a conviction - Roeder has no problem becoming a martyr. It’s a move calculated to turn the witness stand into a podium from which he can spout his views to the world with full media attention, and pursuing this strategy publicizes those views before the trial has even begun.
True. Just sayin’, legally speaking.
| 368 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:44:20pm |
re: #366 RogueOne
So ,,,
how does one get Schwepps Ginger Ale spewed through my left AND right nostrils off of a keyboard !?!?!?
| 369 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:44:28pm |
re: #366 RogueOne
/there’s not a 48-hour rule for making fun of Ritter is there?
No, but there’s an eternity rule for extreme tastlessness. Ech.
| 370 |
SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:46:03pm |
re: #368 sattv4u2
So ,,,
how does one get Schwepps Ginger Ale spewed through my left AND right nostrils off of a keyboard !?!?!?
Dunno. But after the last keyboard ruined by a cup of coffee with cream and sugar, my mother’s boss decreed that everyone was to drink only straight vodka or gin at their desks.
| 371 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:46:31pm |
| 372 |
Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:46:39pm |
| 373 |
Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:46:43pm |
re: #361 wozzablog
Okay I deserved the ding. But the flirty fawning just got me. That shot was my revenge on them. Well worth the 1 ding. I should be glad it’s not 10, hate to be in the bottom comment list. :)
| 374 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:46:46pm |
re: #359 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The Corps is Mother, The Corps is Father.
| 375 |
Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:47:15pm |
re: #370 SanFranciscoZionist
Dunno. But after the last keyboard ruined by a cup of coffee with cream and sugar, my mother’s boss decreed that everyone was to drink only straight vodka or gin at their desks.
No COFFEE!?!?
/outrageous outrage!
| 376 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:47:16pm |
re: #373 Rightwingconspirator
Better to be talked about than not………….
| 377 |
RogueOne Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:47:18pm |
re: #369 SanFranciscoZionist
No, but there’s an eternity rule for extreme tastlessness. Ech.
I thought it might be right up on the line. I didn’t mean to offend but it is scott ritter after all.
| 378 |
Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:47:29pm |
re: #371 reine.de.tout
Her next entry might be fascinating….
| 379 |
Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:47:37pm |
| 380 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:47:38pm |
OT
White House budget director blames old computers for ineffective government
Because we all know that gov;t was VERY efficient and effective
A) before puter
and
B) when those puters were new!!
[Link: thehill.com…]
| 381 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:48:02pm |
re: #370 SanFranciscoZionist
Dunno. But after the last keyboard ruined by a cup of coffee with cream and sugar, my mother’s boss decreed that everyone was to drink only straight vodka or gin at their desks.
DRINK !
| 382 |
prairiefire Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:48:54pm |
| 383 |
RogueOne Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:48:57pm |
re: #373 Rightwingconspirator
I should be glad it’s not 10, hate to be in the bottom comment list. :)
Been there. Mandy had one on there the other day that I thought was hilarious but I was the only one.
| 384 |
freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:49:48pm |
re: #362 Killgore Trout
Riehl and Ingram are attention whores and they are enraged that a black women the First Lady gets 100x the media attention they do.
Listened very briefly to local talker, sometime sub for Limbaugh, Rodger Hedgecock; about all I can take of him anymore is about 3 minutes. He’s so far off the deep end he might as well be posting at WND. Oh wait, he does now post at WND.
The lot of them are suffering from some sort of mental illness. I’m serious. There is a group-think that has enveloped them that keeps them from rationally interacting with those outside of their group. They can’t analyze information correctly. I used to think it was all just a schtick… and it may have started out that way, but now they have convinced themselves it is true. This is very similar to the creationists who when touring the Grand Canyon look at hundreds of feet of geological column composed of thousands of distinct layers and then, on site, proclaim it is evidence for The Flood.
True self delusion. It is no longer a schtick.
| 385 |
Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:50:03pm |
| 386 |
Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:50:10pm |
| 387 |
Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:50:24pm |
re: #346 Rightwingconspirator
Did you just call me a fan a Bachmann?!
In disputes like this I know precisely who to side with.
/slowly backs away from RWC…*runs away*
//:)
| 388 |
Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:50:31pm |
OT:
Shadegg Retires
Since this is a Safe Republican district, the wingularity will now be in a race to see which kook they can quickly put into the primary, with the possibility of another NY-23 debacle.
| 389 |
Kruk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:50:34pm |
re: #357 torrentprime
Since the doctor was performing legal abortions, his “imminent use of… force” was not unlawful. The defense shouldn’t be allowed. Here’s hoping?
Absolutely. The number of wackos who would risk life in prison or the death penalty is thankfully still pretty low. The number who would risk five years or less for the “cause” would be much, much higher. Even if this is rejected, though, I fear the nut-o-sphere will keep propagating the voluntary manslaughter idea to the people they get to do their dirty work for them.
| 390 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:50:40pm |
re: #370 SanFranciscoZionist
Dunno. But after the last keyboard ruined by a cup of coffee with cream and sugar, my mother’s boss decreed that everyone was to drink only straight vodka or gin at their desks.
At least it was only a keyboard! I killed an entire laptop when I dumped a cocktail onto it.
| 391 |
brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:50:52pm |
re: #380 sattv4u2
OT
White House budget director blames old computers for ineffective government
Because we all know that gov;t was VERY efficient and effective
A) before puter
and
B) when those puters were new!![Link: thehill.com…]
well to be fair the calculators on those rigs can only work with numbers up to 16 digits, so figuring out our debt on them is kind rough…
| 392 |
RogueOne Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:50:56pm |
I was the only one who thought this was funny too.
re: #53 Decider
| 393 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:51:47pm |
re: #391 brookly red
well to be fair the calculators on those rigs can only work with numbers up to 16 digits, so figuring out our debt on them is kind rough…
Good point!
| 394 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:52:30pm |
| 395 |
Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:52:30pm |
OT
Audio of today’s SOUTHCOM press conf. updating U.S. military support to Haiti relief operations (Gen. Fraser)…[Link: tinyurl.com…]
Raw audio. WMA file. About 12MB.
| 396 |
Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:53:15pm |
re: #392 RogueOne
”//” would have made all the difference.
| 397 |
darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:53:40pm |
Time to go back to the tire shop that, after removing my tires this morning, realized they didn’t have the replacements in stock and had to re-install the old tires so I could get to work.
Happy chatting, everyone.
| 398 |
brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:53:40pm |
re: #394 sattv4u2
AND ,, nobody knows how to spell A Gazziloin Jillion!
I think the Chinese can do it…
| 399 |
Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:54:30pm |
re: #398 brookly red
Somebody told Bush that 10 Brazilian soldiers died in Iraq, and his only response was “How many in a Brazillion?”
| 400 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:54:45pm |
re: #398 brookly red
I think the Chinese can do it…
“okay ,,, everyone line up and pass by one at a time so we can get a count!!”
| 401 |
Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:55:25pm |
re: #397 darthstar
Do not let them “fix” your brakes! Yeow.
| 402 |
Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:55:54pm |
re: #384 freetoken
The lot of them are suffering from some sort of mental illness. I’m serious. There is a group-think that has enveloped them that keeps them from rationally interacting with those outside of their group. They can’t analyze information correctly. I used to think it was all just a schtick… and it may have started out that way, but now they have convinced themselves it is true. This is very similar to the creationists who when touring the Grand Canyon look at hundreds of feet of geological column composed of thousands of distinct layers and then, on site, proclaim it is evidence for The Flood.True self delusion. It is no longer a schtick.
Yeah, I think very few pundits on the right have any control over themselves anymore.
| 403 |
brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:56:24pm |
re: #399 PT Barnum
Somebody told Bush that 10 Brazilian soldiers died in Iraq, and his only response was “How many in a Brazillion?”
OK I gotta give you that one…
| 404 |
Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:56:26pm |
| 405 |
YoungLibertarian92 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:56:47pm |
Excuse me Mrs. Bachmann, the floor of a cave just called and it wants its bat shit back.
| 406 |
lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:56:59pm |
re: #358 SanFranciscoZionist
ug ok you guys can just hang out in your shells if you don’t understand the facts.
When you do something new in a legal capacity under court it is called a “precedent” once again here are the facts, all though none of you really care about the facts getting in the way of your point;
1) If you do something that has never been done before ever in court, ever in the entire US history of law there is not one case of bringing a Detainee capture, out side of the US, during war, than it creates a Precedent in the Legal System.
2) Once a precedent is set, it is prudent upon all legal considerations to give justification for deviance from that set judgment.
3) The White House and Justice Department have changed the Venue and Jurisdiction to full legal rights under “civilian criminal court” to include all rights afforded to any US Citizen charged with a crime.
4) There is no consideration at all by Eric Holder or the White House as to how KSM is different than anyone else caught on the battlefield during War. (see the senate hearing for which Eric Holder testified)
5) Without clear and legal differentiation between KSM and other enemy combatants how can you explain to the court why you are not having someone else go to civilian court. Why does KSM get special treatment when there are other detainees don’t?
If you cannot understand how this affects the current war on terror, in regards to evidence collection, witness identification, Miranda rights, legal representation, than maybee you should talk to some of those on the front lines right now who have to try an negotiate this mess to ensure some bad guys don’t get off on some technicality later on when or if they do go to civilian court.
| 407 |
Ojoe Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:57:08pm |
I don’t think anybody can advise KSM about anything.
| 408 |
Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:57:13pm |
OT: New “official sounding” US Senate Victory Fund formed today. Looking at the roster which includes Rubio, I’m betting this is a Club for Decay group.
| 409 |
Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:57:44pm |
re: #371 reine.de.tout
(it sounded like it!)
Nah, I called him a fan of yours reine! And its true too!
| 410 |
YoungLibertarian92 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:58:06pm |
| 411 |
brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:58:47pm |
re: #407 Ojoe
I don’t think anybody can advise KSM about anything.
/I recommend the chicken marsala….
| 412 |
Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:58:48pm |
re: #409 Dragon_Lady
Oh okay. Whew. I almost broke the Do Not Downding The Spouse rule.
| 413 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:59:01pm |
re: #397 darthstar
Time to go back to the tire shop that, after removing my tires this morning, realized they didn’t have the replacements in stock and had to re-install the old tires so I could get to work.
Happy chatting, everyone.
good luck
I have my own tire story from this week
Had a slow leak. Took it to the tire store to be patched. They told me (and showed me) that the leak was on the sidewall from a nail, can’t legally be fixed. So I buy a new tire to replace it (it’s our older car so I took a belmish/ discontinued tire for $30)
Get the bill and they charged me not only for the new tire (plus junk fees) but $16.95 to ‘fix’ the flat and $9.99 ‘Road Hazard” on the new tire
10 bucks to insure a 30 dollar tire !?!?! ummm,, NO
$17 to “fix a flat they never fixed ,,,ummm,, HELL NO !!
| 414 |
Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:59:17pm |
re: #410 YoungLibertarian92
Because they are losing Republican seats and have turned the big tent into the southern pup tent. Is that clear enough for you?
| 415 |
torrentprime Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:59:23pm |
| 416 |
freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:59:39pm |
re: #402 Killgore Trout
Yes, very much so. I would label it “habituation”.
I am not a psychiatrist, nor do I play one on the internet… but… habituation is a real phenomenon to which H. sapiens is prone.
| 417 |
Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 2:59:46pm |
re: #412 Rightwingconspirator
Oh okay. Whew. I almost broke the Do Not Downding The Spouse rule.
Just remember, the downding button works both ways! I would hate to give my first one to my Hubby Bubby!
| 418 |
Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:00:02pm |
re: #412 Rightwingconspirator
Oh okay. Whew. I almost broke the Do Not Downding The Spouse rule.
Danger Will Robinson, DANGER!!!
/That would’ve been baaad!
//
| 419 |
Ojoe Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:00:14pm |
| 420 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:00:23pm |
re: #397 darthstar
Time to go back to the tire shop that, after removing my tires this morning, realized they didn’t have the replacements in stock and had to re-install the old tires so I could get to work.
Happy chatting, everyone.
Sorry, have to laugh!
| 421 |
sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:00:49pm |
re: #406 lrsshadow
ug ok you guys can just hang out in your shells if you don’t understand the facts.
I’m going to say this as nice as possible and with all due respect,
but ,.
FUCK OFF!!
| 422 |
Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:01:17pm |
re: #418 Varek Raith
Danger Will Robinson, DANGER!!!
/That would’ve been baaad!
//
Oh yeah it would that daybed in the living room would be getting a bunch of use in the foreseeable future, and I’m talking about me!
| 423 |
YoungLibertarian92 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:01:21pm |
re: #415 torrentprime
I like some Republicans these days, Dede Scozzafava was okay but they hate her, Susan Collins is pretty good but they hate her too. Dang, I guess the only Republican I like now is Gary Johnson.
| 425 |
Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:01:47pm |
| 426 |
YoungLibertarian92 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:02:37pm |
re: #414 Thanos
I didn’t know that. I thought CFG just promoted free market economics. I didn’t know they where strict social conservatives, who in my opinion are really turning the GOP into a pup tent party.
| 427 |
Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:03:23pm |
| 428 |
Obdicut Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:03:58pm |
Obama just sent out the following email to those on whatever mailing list I’m on:
(apologies for the length, figured it’s interesting enough.)
Thomas —
On Tuesday, a catastrophic earthquake struck near Port-au-Prince, Haiti. The full extent of the damage is still being assessed, but the death toll — already in the thousands — is climbing fast.
This is the worst earthquake to hit the area in more than 200 years. Entire communities have been ripped apart and as many as 3 million people have been directly affected, including tens of thousands of American citizens who are in Haiti.
Our neighbors in Haiti are racing to confront the enormous devastation — and the OFA community can help.
Click here for more information about essential relief efforts and ways you can help today.
Footage is pouring in of homes collapsing, Haitians carrying injured family members, and hospitals being overrun in what was already the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere.
I have directed my administration to respond with a swift, coordinated, and aggressive effort to save lives. Personnel from the United States and our partners in the international community are on the ground in damaged areas right now, working side by side with the Haitian people. They’re providing much-needed food, water, and sanitation supplies, saving lives and helping local communities start to rebuild.
Despite the fact that we are experiencing tough times here at home, I encourage those who can to reach out and help. It’s in times like these that we must show the kind of compassion and humanity that has defined the best of our national character for generations.
Click here to find out what you can do:
[Link: my.barackobama.com…]
As this story continues to unfold, I hope you will continue to keep the people of Haiti in your thoughts and prayers, as well as the many Haitian-Americans who have done so much to enrich our country and who are worried about friends and loved ones in this time of need.
Thank you,
President Barack Obama
| 429 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:04:16pm |
re: #410 YoungLibertarian92
If you have to ask…………… you will never understand.
| 431 |
YoungLibertarian92 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:05:32pm |
re: #429 wozzablog
Well, why don’t you like the CFG? Is it because they’re anti-science?
| 432 |
Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:05:36pm |
re: #426 YoungLibertarian92
I didn’t know that. I thought CFG just promoted free market economics. I didn’t know they where strict social conservatives, who in my opinion are really turning the GOP into a pup tent party.
That’s what they say, but they have a pro life / gay marriage litmus test. They also instituted the great RINO hunt several years back and without the steady ripping from that group up until Palin was chosen as running mate he might have stood a chance.
Toomey was the first to break Reagan’s maxim of never speaking ill of another Republican.
They profess to be free market, but the Religious Right owns them.
| 433 |
Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:05:45pm |
re: #427 Dragon_Lady
It’s a conspiracy I tell ya! First Jimmah and Ice Weasle and Now RWC and the Dragon Lady.
| 434 |
brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:06:10pm |
re: #428 Obdicut
Obama just sent out the following email to those on whatever mailing list I’m on:
(apologies for the length, figured it’s interesting enough.)
Thomas —
On Tuesday, a catastrophic earthquake struck near Port-au-Prince, Haiti. The full extent of the damage is still being assessed, but the death toll — already in the thousands — is climbing fast.
This is the worst earthquake to hit the area in more than 200 years. Entire communities have been ripped apart and as many as 3 million people have been directly affected, including tens of thousands of American citizens who are in Haiti.
Our neighbors in Haiti are racing to confront the enormous devastation — and the OFA community can help.
Click here for more information about essential relief efforts and ways you can help today.
Footage is pouring in of homes collapsing, Haitians carrying injured family members, and hospitals being overrun in what was already the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere.I have directed my administration to respond with a swift, coordinated, and aggressive effort to save lives. Personnel from the United States and our partners in the international community are on the ground in damaged areas right now, working side by side with the Haitian people. They’re providing much-needed food, water, and sanitation supplies, saving lives and helping local communities start to rebuild.
Despite the fact that we are experiencing tough times here at home, I encourage those who can to reach out and help. It’s in times like these that we must show the kind of compassion and humanity that has defined the best of our national character for generations.
Click here to find out what you can do:
[Link: my.barackobama.com…]
As this story continues to unfold, I hope you will continue to keep the people of Haiti in your thoughts and prayers, as well as the many Haitian-Americans who have done so much to enrich our country and who are worried about friends and loved ones in this time of need.Thank you,
President Barack Obama
or you could just give to the relief organization directly…
| 435 |
Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:06:32pm |
re: #382 prairiefire
We may be one of only two couples who regularly post, but I’d guess there are more than a few real world relationships (friends or married or whatever) among us. Just wait, one day we will disagree on some topic, but as sensibly as we would argue with anyone else here.
| 436 |
Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:06:55pm |
/pimf “McCain might have stood a chance”
| 437 |
webevintage Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:07:34pm |
re: #141 wozzablog
Angel related upding.
I’ve been watching it over again.
Lila just died…I hate when that happens.
| 438 |
brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:07:41pm |
re: #433 Bubblehead II
It’s a conspiracy I tell ya! First Jimmah and Ice Weasle and Now RWC and the Dragon Lady.
/blog spats can get ugly, it can work both ways…
| 439 |
Obdicut Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:07:43pm |
re: #434 brookly red
Strangely enough, if you follow the link, you’ll find the main thing he suggest is contributing to the Red Cross directly.
What did you think he was suggesting you give money to?
| 440 |
YoungLibertarian92 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:07:45pm |
re: #432 Thanos
Out of curiosity, does the Chamber of Commerce promote a statist, socially conservative agenda too? What about the CATO institute?
| 441 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:07:50pm |
re: #428 Obdicut
I just read it and I keep trying to find where he addresses the current Important Issues of the White House garden,* and Michelle Bachmann’s recent statements.
*I do think they should have been honest, but it’s not that big of a deal.
| 442 |
lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:07:54pm |
re: #424 brookly red
does than mean you approve or not?
The point of the post was a reply to San’s accusation that everything I sated was all made up, so Obama and Holder didn’t change venues, precedents are made up and don’t exist, and there is no obligation of disclosure if the venue was going to be changed along with legal jurisdiction by the government to the defendant.
As to the whole situation, I put the first culprit as Bush, he should have told the left and the ACLU to pound sand and he should have moved forward with the military commissions and sentences. Instead he just kicked the can down to the next president.
Now I think Obama and Holder are taking a messed up situation and making it worse.
| 443 |
Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:08:05pm |
re: #433 Bubblehead II
It’s a conspiracy I tell ya! First Jimmah and Ice Weasle and Now RWC and the Dragon Lady.
You’re just jealous! ;-)
| 444 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:08:09pm |
Oopsies. Forgot the sarc tag.
| 445 |
abolitionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:08:33pm |
re: #380 sattv4u2
OT
White House budget director blames old computers for ineffective government
Because we all know that gov;t was VERY efficient and effective
A) before puter
and
B) when those puters were new!![Link: thehill.com…]
Unlike cars and washing machines, personal computers are not designed for 20+ years of service. /
| 446 |
brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:09:01pm |
re: #439 Obdicut
Strangely enough, if you follow the link, you’ll find the main thing he suggest is contributing to the Red Cross directly.
What did you think he was suggesting you give money to?
the red cross…
how do you think you got on that list?
| 447 |
Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:09:17pm |
re: #433 Bubblehead II
Hey is Jimmah on? Looks like not. Darn. Believe it or not somebody is on Hill street playing bagpipes. Lots os street minstrels these days, but bagpipes is a new one for the Jewelry district!
| 448 |
Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:09:27pm |
re: #431 YoungLibertarian92
I would start with their complete lack of realism and their front and center role in the destruction of the modern GOP with regard to *purity*.
| 449 |
Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:09:31pm |
re: #143 ralphieboy
!He can become Mirandized and be part of the AMerican judicial system…”
isn’t that something we have all dremed of at some point?
I wonder if she realizes people are usually Mirandized before they are arrested (or immediately after arrest) and before questioning? Think it’s a little late for that.
| 450 |
Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:09:42pm |
re: #438 brookly red
/blog spats can get ugly, it can work both ways…
No worries, I’ll leave that for face to face yelling. I don’t think you guys deserve to be in the middle of that kinda thing. ;-)
| 451 |
brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:10:05pm |
re: #442 lrsshadow
The point of the post was a reply to San’s accusation that everything I sated was all made up, so Obama and Holder didn’t change venues, precedents are made up and don’t exist, and there is no obligation of disclosure if the venue was going to be changed along with legal jurisdiction by the government to the defendant.
As to the whole situation, I put the first culprit as Bush, he should have told the left and the ACLU to pound sand and he should have moved forward with the military commissions and sentences. Instead he just kicked the can down to the next president.
Now I think Obama and Holder are taking a messed up situation and making it worse.
OK, thanks for clearing that up…
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lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:10:10pm |
re: #434 brookly red
I wonder if he will give the noble prize money to the effort being he promised to donate it but has not yet.
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DaddyG Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:10:20pm |
Drive by video… PANTS ON THE GROUND!
This one makes me proud to be from the greater Atlanta metro area!
Remix
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YoungLibertarian92 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:10:30pm |
re: #448 wozzablog
Do you think that free market economics is an antiquated idea?
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freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:10:48pm |
re: #440 YoungLibertarian92
Out of curiosity, does the Chamber of Commerce promote a statist, socially conservative agenda too? What about the CATO institute?
If you mean the organization that calls itself “The US” Chamber of Commerce… then, all three of them (w/ CATO and CFG) are notorious for shutting their ears/eyes to real physical evidence that contradicts their own (pocket enriching) worldview.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:11:03pm |
re: #445 abolitionist
Unlike cars and washing machines, personal computers are not designed for 20+ years of service. /
How did we ever run federal, stats, county and city gov’ts before puters!?!?!
For this person to blame outdated puters for the “inefficient and ineffective” gov’t is just wrong
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webevintage Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:11:09pm |
re: #390 WindUpBird
At least it was only a keyboard! I killed an entire laptop when I dumped a cocktail onto it.
I was just sitting here thinking how good this Mystic Tropical Fruit Punch is and how much better it could be with some cranberry vodka.
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:11:39pm |
re: #450 Dragon_Lady
No worries, I’ll leave that for face to face yelling. I don’t think you guys deserve to be in the middle of that kinda thing. ;-)
Good. It is best to leave that stuff on facebook where it belongs ;)
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:11:46pm |
re: #406 lrsshadow
1) If you do something that has never been done before ever in court, ever in the entire US history of law there is not one case of bringing a Detainee capture, out side of the US, during war, than it creates a Precedent in the Legal System.
The decision to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in civilian court was made outside of the court system therefore it is not a legal precedent.
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:11:57pm |
re: #389 Kruk
Absolutely. The number of wackos who would risk life in prison or the death penalty is thankfully still pretty low. The number who would risk five years or less for the “cause” would be much, much higher. Even if this is rejected, though, I fear the nut-o-sphere will keep propagating the voluntary manslaughter idea to the people they get to do their dirty work for them.
It’s been a standard argument for pursuing violence against abortion providers for many, many years already.
Those promoting it don’t seem to make the connection that victory, in this case, is tantamount to declaring open season on Randall Terry, along with the prey they already have in mind.
But I don’t think that merely proceeding to court with this argument will change things much. Anything emerging from such a defense that looks even a little bit like a win, though, would be very bad indeed.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:13:09pm |
re: #458 brookly red
Good. It is best to leave that stuff on facebook where it belongs ;)
Yeah, I got one of those too but I don’t put much on it. I don’t want any of my old high school nightmares (classmates) to find me!
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:13:17pm |
re: #454 YoungLibertarian92
The way they preach it - yes.
Regulation - to a certain extent is good - thats a realistic position, but they are only in favour of stripping it away rather than improving it.
Free Markets need regulation and oversight. CfG are economic anarchists.
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:13:18pm |
re: #452 lrsshadow
I wonder if he will give the noble prize money to the effort being he promised to donate it but has not yet.
/uh, Michelle… about those shoes…
no don’t see it happening.
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webevintage Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:15:25pm |
re: #452 lrsshadow
I wonder if he will give the noble prize money to the effort being he promised to donate it but has not yet.
Not a bad idea, but then Newt and Sarah and Rush and Glann will yell to high heaven how he should have given that money to Americans and why does the President hate America?
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YoungLibertarian92 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:15:38pm |
re: #455 freetoken
By physical evidence do you mean the fact that the Federal Reserve flooded the housing market with cheap credit, or that Clinton repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, or the Community Reinvestment Act which tried to end a housing shortage that didn’t exist?
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:16:23pm |
re: #435 Rightwingconspirator
We may be one of only two couples who regularly post, but I’d guess there are more than a few real world relationships (friends or married or whatever) among us. Just wait, one day we will disagree on some topic, but as sensibly as we would argue with anyone else here.
Yeah, we’ve already agreed to disagree nicely. No back lash on you folks gonna happen. :-)
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:16:34pm |
re: #465 YoungLibertarian92
By physical evidence do you mean the fact that the Federal Reserve flooded the housing market with cheap credit, or that Clinton repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, or the Community Reinvestment Act which tried to end a housing shortage that didn’t exist?
The Fed does not set mortgage interest rates.
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DaddyG Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:16:55pm |
re: #456 sattv4u2
How did we ever run federal, stats, county and city gov’ts before puters!?!?!
For this person to blame outdated puters for the “inefficient and ineffective” gov’t is just wrong
AMEN! All of the improvements we’ve made in Georgia state government in the past few years have involved very little in terms of capital investment and instead addressed busted processes. IN his State of the State yesterday Governor Perdue cited our customer service rankings that are comparable to the best in private industry and our employee sat ratings that have increased significantly even with salary freezes and furloughs. These are all due to pride in service and giving employees the tools they need to improve out of date processes.
We are making a mockery out of the excuse “we can’t serve well because we don’t have enough money”. The Feds need a reality check.
Hey Washington! Fix your processes and then automate them, otherwise you just end up with automatically bad processes!
/soap box rant
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YoungLibertarian92 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:17:16pm |
re: #462 wozzablog
I agree. But the regulation leading up to the housing bubble bust is what caused this recession, we could have had better regulation but the regulation we had almost destroyed this economy.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:17:22pm |
re: #428 Obdicut
I got that one too. Do you want your first name on that to appear here?
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palomino Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:17:26pm |
re: #406 lrsshadow
None of this proves any advice from WH to KSM. You’re perpetuating a bullshit smear that Obama wants to hold hands with terrorists.
What you’ve presented only “logically” leads to your conclusion IF you’ve already decided that Obama is some sort of secret anti-American stooge intent on destroying our nation from within. Then it suddenly all fits together—Beck blackboard style.
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Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:17:48pm |
re: #467 SixDegrees
Don’t the banks key their mortgage rates off of the Fed rate?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:17:51pm |
re: #466 Dragon_Lady
Yeah, we’ve already agreed to disagree nicely. No back lash on you folks gonna happen. :-)
C’Mon ,,,,fess up,, when he’s fast asleep next to you, you make faces and stick your tongue out at him, don’t ya!
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:18:07pm |
re: #467 SixDegrees
Nope, but they do set a variety of rates at which money is obtained by large institutions - then to be released into the mortgage market.
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Bubblehead II Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:18:18pm |
re: #443 Dragon_Lady
You’re just jealous! ;-)
True story (yeah I know). I was running Haven BBS in Groton Ct. while I stationed there in the late 80’s, my wife signed up under the Nick of Miranda.
The Sysops of Gem Stone (Bill and Wanda) and Sosaria (Pete) knew who she was and also allowed her to sign up on their boards.
After about six months of some very interesting conversation, I was finally let into the joke. Up until then I had no idea who this woman was or why she was so interested in me.
/Men can be so dense sometimes.
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YoungLibertarian92 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:18:36pm |
re: #467 SixDegrees
True, they set interest rates too low for too long which allowed the banks to get cash for practically nothing, thus indulging the greedy bankers in their get-rich-quick subprime lending schemes.
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torrentprime Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:18:56pm |
re: #468 DaddyG
AMEN! All of the improvements we’ve made in Georgia state government in the past few years have involved very little in terms of capital investment and instead addressed busted processes. IN his State of the State yesterday Governor Perdue cited our customer service rankings that are comparable to the best in private industry…
So, in other words, government can work if you pay it some attention instead of demonizing and dismissing it all the time? Whodathunk it?
Or does that just apply to red states?
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:19:46pm |
re: #473 sattv4u2
C’Mon ,,,fess up,, when he’s fast asleep next to you, you make faces and stick your tongue out at him, don’t ya!
Nah, actually its just nice to have the peace and quiet. Besides the cats get my revenge for me by jumping on his feet in the middle of the night, no joke on that!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:20:58pm |
re: #477 torrentprime
So, in other words, government can work if you pay it some attention instead of demonizing and dismissing it all the time? Whodathunk it?
Or does that just apply to red states?
It applies to any city, county, state that wants to get in and fix a problem rather than point fingers and say it’s someone elses fault
Post Katrina Gulf Shores Alabama comes to mind, as opposed to Louisianna
but thanks for TRYING
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:20:58pm |
re: #469 YoungLibertarian92
Vast tranches of what caused the bubble were not regualted at all - or if they were only cursoraily. The new derivatives, MBS, CDS, the ratings agencies, the amount of equity held by banks and the value of assets on books as opposed to future value…….
All those areas needed more net regulation.
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:21:00pm |
re: #475 Bubblehead II
True story (yeah I know). I was running Haven BBS in Groton Ct. while I stationed there in the late 80’s, my wife signed up under the Nick of Miranda.
The Sysops of Gem Stone (Bill and Wanda) and Sosaria (Pete) knew who she was and also allowed her to sign up on their boards.
After about six months of some very interesting conversation, I was finally let into the joke. Up until then I had no idea who this woman was or why she was so interested in me.
/Men can be so dense sometimes.
I’m not going to go there….
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Wozza Matter? Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:22:25pm |
Anyhews.
I was outta here………….. watch my dust trail.
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Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:22:49pm |
re: #481 wozzablog
All that is what is called fictitious capitol. Always bad news.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:23:13pm |
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:23:35pm |
re: #472 Rightwingconspirator
Don’t the banks key their mortgage rates off of the Fed rate?
No. Mortgage rates are set mainly by market forces. Many mortgage rates are based on the rate of the 10 year Treasury note, but that’s issued by the Treasury department, not the Federal Reserve.
There’s a fairly good overview here. At best, the Fed rate and mortgage rates are weakly linked, but other factors play a much larger role.
Note that mortgage rates have been trending upward for some time now, while the Fed lending rate has remained flat at 0%.
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torrentprime Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:23:36pm |
re: #480 sattv4u2
It applies to any city, county, state that wants to get in and fix a problem rather than point fingers and say it’s someone elses fault
Post Katrina Gulf Shores Alabama comes to mind, as opposed to Louisianna
but thanks for TRYING
Since you agreed with me, I’m not sure why you think you zinged me.
POW! (Just trying to fit in)
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Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:24:10pm |
Well that does teach me something. Thanks!
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Donna Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:24:28pm |
re: #483 wozzablog
Anyhews.
I was outta here… watch my dust trail.
Cough*cough*cough hey watch where you spew all that dust, would ya? I has Asthma. :-)
Seriously have a good one!
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Political Atheist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:24:38pm |
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DaddyG Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:25:49pm |
re: #477 torrentprime
So, in other words, government can work if you pay it some attention instead of demonizing and dismissing it all the time? Whodathunk it?
Or does that just apply to red states?
You need a strong executive who thinks supporting state employees who succeed in fiscally sound and service oriented government. I know I work for the guy but this quote from Governor Perdue’s final State of the State address made me feel warm all over:
“We have already faced tough decisions with respect to our team of state employees. We have trimmed payrolls and asked employees to do the job that two or even three of their co-workers used to perform. We have asked teachers, caseworkers, law enforcement personnel and agency heads to do more with less. And their commitment to go the extra mile deserves recognition.
So, I want to take a moment to speak directly to my fellow state employees:
Wherever you serve, I want to recognize and thank all of you for putting in the extra effort and the extra hours to meet this challenge. Responsibility and workloads have increased and you have met the call with excellence … That doesn’t go without notice. I notice your good work. Your bosses notice it. Your fellow Georgians notice it. Thank you!
Now I want to brag on our talented state team a little bit. The men and women who make up our team have refused to make excuses and they have found a way to deliver great customer service in the face of cuts. That’s why, as I travel across Georgia, citizens continue to thank me for the services you deliver.
In fact, we’ve asked our customers, and they have given you a customer satisfaction rate above 76 percent*. That beats most private businesses and makes us one of the only states that compares favorably with the private sector. State employees will tell you their job satisfaction – which has increased 10 percent in the last two years – comes from helping Georgians.High employee morale means a satisfied customer and a satisfied employee. I want to continue improving to make Georgia an “employer of choice” that can attract and retain top talent going forward.”
(*note this compares to Wal Mart at 74% and Nordstroms at 80% on a comparable measure.)
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DaddyG Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:27:58pm |
re: #480 sattv4u2
It applies to any city, county, state that wants to get in and fix a problem rather than point fingers and say it’s someone elses fault…
BINGO! I also want to point out that this was a success of the bureaucrats supported by their executive not a legislative program or mandate.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:28:57pm |
re: #487 torrentprime
Since you agreed with me, I’m not sure why you think you zinged me.
POW! (Just trying to fit in)
where do you get the impression that i ‘zinged” you, that I thanked you fro ‘trying” to make it a Red state/ Blue state issue!?!?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:30:13pm |
re: #399 PT Barnum
Somebody told Bush that 10 Brazilian soldiers died in Iraq, and his only response was “How many in a Brazillion?”
I told my class that joke today!!
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lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:30:44pm |
re: #459 Gus 802
The decision to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in civilian court was made outside of the court system therefore it is not a legal precedent.
Gus you are incorrect, if the White House and Justice Department decided that they would file some or all of these cases in criminal court every decision made by a judge in that case is a precedent due to it never being done in US Court before.
If this was just another murder trial of some guy who lived in NYC and committed the crime in NYC you would probably not have a single precedent, because we have a whole lot of cases that have gone before the court involving murder in NYC by US Citizens, but we have none with an enemy combatant detainee captured at a time of war in another country. This case will set many Persuasive precedents and a number of Binding precedents.
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:31:06pm |
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torrentprime Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:31:44pm |
re: #494 sattv4u2
where do you get the impression that i ‘zinged” you, that I thanked you fro ‘trying” to make it a Red state/ Blue state issue!?!?
I wasn’t; I was afraid you were.
My point is - and this seems backed up by DaddyG - is that actually trying to fix government works better than mindless railing against the very existence of it - or questioning the motives of the people who work for it. I frankly don’t care if you found this truth in a red state with a R Gov.; all that matters is somewhere someone admitted that government can serve its people well if supported.
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lrsshadow Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:33:43pm |
re: #463 brookly red
/uh, Michelle… about those shoes…
no don’t see it happening.
Then he will have to give all the money to the US Government, due to the requirements of the US Code.
[Link: www.law.cornell.edu…]
It has been months already
[Link: cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com…]
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SixDegrees Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:33:45pm |
re: #476 YoungLibertarian92
True, they set interest rates too low for too long which allowed the banks to get cash for practically nothing, thus indulging the greedy bankers in their get-rich-quick subprime lending schemes.
Not so much. The spread between what banks can borrow money for and what they can charge to lend it in smaller amounts has remained pretty constant at around 4% - 5% for a very long time.
What was new, among many other factors, was the introduction of heavily leveraged, mortgage-backed securities that defied mathematical analysis, but were extremely lucrative - as long as the housing market was trending upward. All that leverage magnified the gains, and in many cases the value of the tangible assets underlying the instrument were only a tiny fraction of market value, amplified by factors of a hundred or more.
Needless to say, when the inevitable down market appeared, all that leverage started amplifying the losses just as much as it had leveraged the gains, and banks found their capital drained away almost instantly as a result.
Interest rates, already fairly low when the collapse began, followed the market downward. They didn’t lead it.
All those bizarre mortgage-backed securities, by the way, are still out there. If anyone bundles them into some sort of fractional investment, similar to a mutual fund, I would seriously consider buying into them, since that leverage will once again go to work as housing prices rise over the next few years.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:33:58pm |
re: #406 lrsshadow
ug ok you guys can just hang out in your shells if you don’t understand the facts.
And we now completely abandon the original argument, in favor of a condescending rant about problems of precedent in the KSM trial, as though this was what we had been discussing all along.
Woo-hoo!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:35:07pm |
re: #498 torrentprime
I wasn’t; I was afraid you were.
My point is - and this seems backed up by DaddyG - is that actually trying to fix government works better than mindless railing against the very existence of it - or questioning the motives of the people who work for it. I frankly don’t care if you found this truth in a red state with a R Gov.; all that matters is somewhere someone admitted that government can serve its people well if supported.
It always has, but at it’s base you have to start with people in the gov’t that stop pointing fingers! As DADDY G stated in #491, You need a strong executive who thinks supporting state employees who succeed in fiscally sound and service oriented government
Gee ,, thats the same thing you need to succeed in a business!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:40:24pm |
re: #442 lrsshadow
The point of the post was a reply to San’s accusation that everything I sated was all made up, so Obama and Holder didn’t change venues, precedents are made up and don’t exist, and there is no obligation of disclosure if the venue was going to be changed along with legal jurisdiction by the government to the defendant.
Learn to read, idiot. I explicitly said that Obama and Holder did change the venue, and made a decision to try in a civilian court, and if you were actually reading, you’d note that I don’t agree with that decision.
However, that does not mean that there is a conspiracy afoot whereby the president of the United States conspires with KSM to change his plea.
Can you understand that, or are you just totally determined not to?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:42:38pm |
re: #503 SanFranciscoZionist
Learn to read, idiot. I explicitly said that Obama and Holder did change the venue, and made a decision to try in a civilian court, and if you were actually reading, you’d note that I don’t agree with that decision.
However, that does not mean that there is a conspiracy afoot whereby the president of the United States conspires with KSM to change his plea.
Can you understand that, or are you just totally determined not to?
I blame you! You wrote too many multi-syllabic words for her/him to comprehend!
//
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:50:55pm |
re: #496 lrsshadow
I know a lot of folks think trying him in the US as a criminal is a good idea. And if he has committed crimes in the US or on American airlines, ships, or over American airspace and you can gather the evidence to show it…that would be grand! But you cannot gather evidence that could be admitted in any decent criminal court in a combat zone. You just can’t. Any idiot who thinks otherwise has never watched a single war movie, let alone been on the spot. While you are “arresting” him (you’re not, you’re taking him prisoner, which is vastly different) the evidence is getting stepped on, swallowed, shot up, burned, and run over. What fool stops in the middle of a fight to gather up the spent shells? Furthermore, all militaries and most guerrilla groups train their operatives to resist interrogation. Our own military has a Code of Conduct which specifically states “…I will resist further questioning to the utmost of my ability.” Resisting such questioning is not wrong or unethical, quite the opposite. Nor is it unethical for the opposing forces to try to get the information it needs from its prisoners. They aren’t held to the same requirements and limitations as police (NOT talking about torture here) because they are not trying to gather evidence for conviction they are trying to gather intelligence to win in combat.
How then is it fair to try someone who ihas not been Mirandized?
How can you expect the preservation of legal evidence when that evidence is also intelligence?
Finally, I would like to point out the abuses at Abu G’rab were due in part to the disconnect between the military and intelligence interrogators/agents, and the Military Police who were in charge of the prison. POW camps were never traditionally run by MPs. Can we understand why? Criminals are criminals. Lawful combatants are lawful combatants. Unlawful combatants, have never been satisfactorily dealt with in our laws and treaties…and it doesn’t look like they will any time soon.
Wow, bet I missed a lot of the conversation while writing that little screed huh?
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blueraven Thu, Jan 14, 2010 3:53:33pm |
re: #499 lrsshadow
How do you know that the president has not donated that money? Maybe he has donated some or all of it already Do you have some inside information about the Obama’s personal finances?
Also, what precedent are you talking about? We have tried many terrorists in civilian courts.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 4:07:58pm |
re: #496 lrsshadow
Gus you are incorrect, if the White House and Justice Department decided that they would file some or all of these cases in criminal court every decision made by a judge in that case is a precedent due to it never being done in US Court before.
If this was just another murder trial of some guy who lived in NYC and committed the crime in NYC you would probably not have a single precedent, because we have a whole lot of cases that have gone before the court involving murder in NYC by US Citizens, but we have none with an enemy combatant detainee captured at a time of war in another country. This case will set many Persuasive precedents and a number of Binding precedents.
This trial is not to decide whether or not KSM and any future defendant will be brought to trial in a civilian court or a military tribunal. It is trial based on the charges brought against KSM. It is not the US vs. US it is the US vs. KSM. Again, the decision to bring them to trial was made outside of court.
Definitions:
Precedent -A case or issue decided by a court that can be used to help answer future legal questions.
Stare decisis - Latin for “to stand by things decided.” Stare decisis is essentially the doctrine of precedent. Courts cite to stare decisis when an issue has been previously brought to the court and a ruling already issued. Generally, courts will adhere to the previous ruling, though this is not universally true.
There was no court ruling to bring KSM to trial in a civil court and that is irrelevant to the case. They are not endeavoring to decide how he got there but conduct a trial in which he has been charged with 2,973 counts of murder. If there were any legal doubt regarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s capture, it would not have gone this far. At the same time, while Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will face a civilian trial, AG Holder announced that numerous others will face a military tribunal.
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JoyousMN Thu, Jan 14, 2010 5:21:56pm |
re: #503 SanFranciscoZionist
Can you understand that, or are you just totally determined not to?
*Jumps up and down waving hands*
Oh, I know the answer to this one! Pick me! Pick Me!
I’ll take “determined not to” for $1000, Alex.
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simoom Thu, Jan 14, 2010 5:40:08pm |
re: #499 lrsshadow
Then he will have to give all the money to the US Government, due to the requirements of the US Code.
[Link: www.law.cornell.edu…]
It has been months already
[Link: cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com…]
Ah, I see you’ve been following Breitbart’s idiotic insinuations that the President is hiding his own winnings somewhere in some effort to renege on his charity promise, and that it would be a violation of US Code.
He’s wrong about that by the way. See this WSJ Washington Wire post from back in October:
[Link: blogs.wsj.com…]
Most government employees are prohibited from accepting more than a certain amount of “outside earned income” from moonlighting in another job. They are also prohibited from accepting “honorarium” for articles or speeches. But a prize is not “earned” income and a 1992 advisory opinion from the Office of Government Ethics says that it isn’t an honorarium either.Furthermore, Obama and Vice President Joe Biden are not covered under that statute. “He is expressly exempt from all of these rules,” said Ken Gross, a lawyer who specializes in federal ethics and campaign laws and has worked for both Republicans and Democrats.
The Foreign Gifts and Decorations Act prohibits government employees, including the president, from receiving any award from foreign governments or their agents. The members of the Nobel Committee who pick the prize winners are selected by the Norwegian parliament, but the institute itself is a private entity so there would be no restriction under that law either.
So, even though Obama could have kept those substantial winnings if he had wanted, he decided to do a good turn and promise them to charity, making Andrew Brietbart’s insinuations slimy as hell.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Jan 14, 2010 5:56:51pm |
re: #41 JoyousMN
She makes me cringe. Actually, having relatives who like her AND vote for her REALLY makes me cringe.
OT-(Since I don’t want to talk about Bachmann anymore) Is anyone else following the trial out in California challenging the legality of Prop 8 (the anti gay marriage ballot)? The Supreme Court ruled that it can’t be carried live on the internet, but several people are live-blogging it and it’s very compelling.
The link is for today, but you can go back to previous days. The trial has been a great learning experience for me on the discrimination aspect of not allowing gay people the right to marry, and on what the issues are on both sides of the debate. Really great use of the internet to keep people informed.
I read about that in Newsweek really impressed me, because it as about how a Conservative was actually standing up for Conservative principles like how smaller government should obviously mean the government not saying who can and who can’t get married rather than bending over backwards to appease the religious nut jobs.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Jan 14, 2010 5:59:18pm |
re: #60 aagcobb
I didn’t think there would be a show trial either. Then I read that Dr. Tiller’s murderer is going to be allowed to testify that he thought he was protecting the unborn by gunning down the Cr. in church, and the judge will decide whether or not to instruct the jury on a possible verdict of voluntary manslaughter!
Well yeah, but he’s a Christian Crazypants, that’s an entirely different speices of person from a Mad Muslim!
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jamesfirecat Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:02:30pm |
re: #85 SixDegrees
The trial is a real gamble, with a lot of opposition on both sides. It fast-tracks a Supreme Court decision, and on the one hand a victory there would be a slam-dunk for proponents of gay marriage, effectively legalizing it in every state, while a defeat would slam the door on gay marriage for the foreseeable future. Given the current makeup of the court, this may not be the most opportune time to bring such a case.
But surely the supreme court would view the case based on the facts being presented and not their own personal biases!
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jamesfirecat Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:08:16pm |
re: #122 Tizzy Liz
Can another woman “reduce” a woman into a sexual object? Which some women do all the time
Depends, are they a lesbian?
(I say jokingly)
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jamesfirecat Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:38:18pm |
re: #399 PT Barnum
Somebody told Bush that 10 Brazilian soldiers died in Iraq, and his only response was “How many in a Brazillion?”
That’s horrible I LOLed….
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Kruk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:57:45pm |
re: #511 jamesfirecat
Well yeah, but he’s a Christian Crazypants, that’s an entirely different speices of person from a Mad Muslim!
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It does rather amuse me that its the same commentators who decry affirmitive action action on grounds that people should be judged as individuals rather than as members of a particular group are also the ones who the first to demand that Muslims should be treated as members of a group rather than as individuals.
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Nervous Norvous Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:20:17pm |
re: #468 DaddyG
Hey Washington! Fix your processes and then automate them, otherwise you just end up with automatically bad processes!/soap box rant
The problem is that like most organizations, the politics tend to go toward big, monolithic projects that take years and millions and billions of dollars funnelled to whatever company is in the right senator’s or representatives state or district.
In my experience in the private sector, these projects never pan out. Small incremental changes with an overall set of guiding principals and goals to ensure things continue to communicate and work with each other tend to produce faster results.
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JRCMYP Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:43:12pm |
Think Progress has a clip from a recent Glenn Beck show talking about how paranoid Sarah Palin was before he interviewed her this week.
I didn’t think it was possible, but I think that Palin makes Bachmann look almost normal:
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iceweasel Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:56:21pm |
re: #517 JRCMYP
Think Progress has a clip from a recent Glenn Beck show talking about how paranoid Sarah Palin was before he interviewed her this week.
I didn’t think it was possible, but I think that Palin makes Bachmann look almost normal:
Hadn’t seen that, thanks for the link.
Not sure that she’s paranoid, per se, and the post notes that Beck goes on to praise her for being paranoid of the media ‘catching her’ out. Palin’s been humiliated publicly so many times in interviews that she now attempts to control all aspects of her exposure to the media.
The truth is, Palin really is stupid. She’s so stupid that she doesn’t even know how to anticipate where her next fuck-up will be, or how to guard against it.
That’s why she’s desperately cramming info on the Statue of Liberty while she’s standing there with Beck, too clueless not to admit to him what she’s doing, and also too damned dumb to realise that if someone did try to catch her out like that, —- “How many windows are there in the statue of liberty and what do they symbolise?” —- it would be patently obvious it was an attempt at a ‘gotcha’, and answering with something graceful and funny off the cuff would work to her advantage.
But she can’t tell the difference. That’s the defining feature of the stupid: they don’t know how to filter information and process it. Can’t identify noise from signal.
Palin is stupid. Not merely ignorant or intellectually incurious: stupid. And that’s what this story shows, more than ‘paranoia’, imo.
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oriana fan Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:04:29pm |
well, the dems have mckinney and kusinch…why not bachmann for the gop?
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Cineaste Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:29:39pm |
Politicians are so publicity and attention obsessed that they actually believe that terrorists’ main goals are to be seen in public.
Let’s really think through what she’s saying. She’s saying that KSM’s main desire was to have a platform to state his opinions. If that were the case, wouldn’t he come out right away after an attack and turn himself in to the country that has the most open penal system he could find?
Islamic extremists like KSM are completely different from the IRA or even the old PLO & Black September. Those groups (who I believe are repugnant for the atrocities they committed) were seeking to get a message out - in both cases they were seeking some sort of independence. They wanted to bring the world’s attention or one countries attention to an issue that could be resolved if enough political will was brought to bear. The IRA assumed that if enough people knew about their cause and were sick of the fighting that they would win. Black September assumed that if enough people knew about the Palestinians in the 1970’s that they would win.
Al Qaeda isn’t out to win a political victory. They are fighting for what they misguidedly believe to be Islam’s requirement that the great civilizations must go to war with each other, the Muslims must gather together, fight and defeat the non-muslims and then their messiah will come with the establishment of the caliphate. Their goal is war, not attention.
Bachman (and so many others) need to learn what the hell they are talking about or STFD and STFU.
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