Thursday Night Music: John Mayer, ‘Daughters’
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John Mayer [R] and Robbie McIntosh [L] play the livin’ heck out of Mayer’s “Daughters,” a song from the 2003 album Heavier Things.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 5:53:02pm |
Love this song. Love my daughter!
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DaddyG Thu, Jan 14, 2010 5:53:42pm |
Gospel truth in a lyric. As the Daddy of little girls 4x over and the husband of an abuse survivor (who is the bravest woman I know) I cannot listen to this without crying.
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Digital Display Thu, Jan 14, 2010 5:55:34pm |
Good evening Lizards!
Love this song.. But then again I just got home from work and It's almost 9pm.. At this point..I'd love anything after 13hours at work.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 5:57:12pm |
re: #3 HoosierHoops
A beer and a shot for you! 13 hours, ouch. Turn this up and sip.
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 5:58:06pm |
re: #3 HoosierHoops
Evenin' Hoops....put your feet up or something! That's a long day!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 5:58:42pm |
Lyrics...
I know a girl
She puts the color inside of my world
She's just like a maze
Where all of the walls all continually change
And I've done all I can
To stand on her steps with my heart in my hands
Now I'm starting to see
Maybe it's got nothing to do with me
Fathers be good to your daughters
Daughters will love like you do
Girls become lovers who turn into mothers
So mothers be good to your daughters too
Oh, you see that skin?
It's the same she's been standing in
Since the day she saw him walking away
Now she's left
Cleaning up the mess he made
Fathers be good to your daughters
Daughters will love like you do
Girls become lovers who turn into mothers
So mothers be good to your daughters too
Boys, you can break
You'll find out how much they can take
Boys will be strong
And boys soldier on
But boys would be gone without warmth from
A woman's good, good heart
On behalf of every man
Looking out for every girl
You are the god and the weight of her world
So fathers be good to your daughters
Daughters will love like you do
Girls become lovers who turn into mothers
So mothers be good to your daughters, too
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DaddyG Thu, Jan 14, 2010 5:59:11pm |
John Mayer [R] and Robbie McIntosh [L]
Really Charles does everything have to have partisan labels? /
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:01:18pm |
re: #6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've never read the lyrics. Mayer has a depth. And a hell of a talent.
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:02:58pm |
re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Love this song. Love my daughter!
Funny thing, the last thing better half wanted was a little girl (or so he said) right up until Her Royal Stoutness was born....now....well...even when she's trouble it's great trouble!
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:07:17pm |
re: #10 srb1976
Funny thing, the last thing better half wanted was a little girl (or so he said) right up until Her Royal Stoutness was born...now...well...even when she's trouble it's great trouble!
my first was a girl...she's 27 and just an awesome person...what a gift
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:09:12pm |
re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Posting the lyrics, just as I was plugging in my Bose was awesome there FBV.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:10:48pm |
re: #11 albusteve
and she loves my type of music...the Stone, Little Feat, John Hiatt, etc...and of course she's a devout Cowboy and football fan....daddy's little girl
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:11:22pm |
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:12:53pm |
re: #11 albusteve
my first was a girl...she's 27 and just an awesome person...what a gift
I'm actually very glad that HRS will have her big brother around....they are only 5 and 2, but he has already gotten into trouble for fighting sticking up for her......it's very sweet how protective they both are of each other
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:16:11pm |
Here's another couple of favorites of mine...Warren and Derek...these guys are phenomenal on stage...either alone or together.
And here's a little Derek solo riff on the electric...
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:17:11pm |
re: #17 srb1976
I'm actually very glad that HRS will have her big brother around...they are only 5 and 2, but he has already gotten into trouble for fighting sticking up for her...it's very sweet how protective they both are of each other
my boy is two years younger...they have always been inseparable, even to this day they are very close...it was good back then and just as good now...I'm blessed
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Digital Display Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:19:08pm |
re: #21 albusteve
my boy is two years younger...they have always been inseparable, even to this day they are very close...it was good back then and just as good now...I'm blessed
You are blessed Steve..Kind regards
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:20:13pm |
re: #21 albusteve
my boy is two years younger...they have always been inseparable, even to this day they are very close...it was good back then and just as good now...I'm blessed
I know the feeling...
We just moved the two of them in together 2 nights ago....so right now, they are supposed to be in bed, heading to sleep, and all I hear are the giggles and running feet....some variation of tag with tickling involved, I think = )
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:24:20pm |
Cool song. Never heard it before.
Reminds us that we need the ladies and love them for looking after us.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:28:26pm |
Mayer...Vultures
kinda funky...check out the outro riff...whoa!
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Lidane Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:29:27pm |
So the boyfriend and I finally went and saw Avatar this afternoon. He wanted the whole 3D experience, so I spent three hours today sitting in a dark theater with nerdy looking plastic 3D glasses on, and now I've got a headache for it. Bleah.
As for the film, all I can say is that Avatar is definitely a James Cameron film-- visually stunning, but highly predictable and long as all hell. It's not a *bad* movie, just not a memorable one, at least for me.
I give it a solid "Meh". It was okay, but not something I need to see again.
I'll say this, though-- Sam Worthington is beautiful. Looking at him definitely helped make the film better, at least for me. Heh. ;)
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Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:31:49pm |
The Temper Trap - Sweet Disposition
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:34:01pm |
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Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:35:10pm |
Hrrm detecting definite U2 influence on that last band I posted
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:36:07pm |
Nice music tonight. I've been on a different tact of late, a Keith Jarrett jag, Koln Concert on right now but it's mostly been the Standards with the trio. That's some seriously delightful work, taking songs you think you know to places they've never been...
William
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:36:24pm |
Do you know what it was that surprised me that Fathers do that is very important in a child's psychological development?
It's the game, which has a thousand names, in which Dad is the monster in the middle of the room who is going to get you, and when he does he tickles you and lets you go, and you run around giggling and seeing how close you can get before he snags you again. Or something like that. It's actually quite important in developing confidence and a sense of borders and so on.
My father, I can say with confidence, was ticklish only on the bottom of his feet.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:36:26pm |
re: #26 Lidane
Sorry you got the headache. I really liked the 3d but after the movie my eyes were mal-adapted for a while. I had to focus on a bright point and concentrate to put them right. No headache. The 3d is like looking in a window. Just be glad it was Cameron not Michael Bay.
A friend got me the script. Lots more on Sully. Got cut in the final. If anyone wants to see it I have it as a word file. My nic is clicked...
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Unakite Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:36:53pm |
re: #20 darthstar
Here's another couple of favorites of mine...Warren and Derek...these guys are phenomenal on stage...either alone or together.
[Video]
Takin' it Further in Hampton in Feb. :)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:38:41pm |
I like John Mayer, but I'm not a fan of this song. I know why most people like it, but I can't relate to it. My parents and my sister can, but I can't. It's a good song, though.
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:39:54pm |
re: #31 EmmmieG
The Little Man calls that the "where you goin'" game, because that's what better half says when he snatches them up as they try to run away....knew everyone played it, never realized it was important, just fun!
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:40:55pm |
re: #33 Unakite
Enjoy! In the meantime, listen to the Derek Trucks solo...the guy is something else. Never looks like he's even working hard, but his fingers fly. And I can't recall ever seeing him use a pick.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:42:52pm |
re: #36 darthstar
Enjoy! In the meantime, listen to the Derek Trucks solo...the guy is something else. Never looks like he's even working hard, but his fingers fly. And I can't recall ever seeing him use a pick.
he does not use a pick, or any gadgets of any sort...one guitar for everything...he's a beast, saw him last year for the first time, but not the last
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Digital Display Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:43:38pm |
re: #36 darthstar
Enjoy! In the meantime, listen to the Derek Trucks solo...the guy is something else. Never looks like he's even working hard, but his fingers fly. And I can't recall ever seeing him use a pick.
It's hard to believe how great Derek is..His playing is Genius..
/and no pick within sight
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:45:55pm |
re: #35 srb1976
A great many things we do instinctively are correct, like "caretaker speech." That's the way we shorten words and reduce consonants in words when we are talking to babies, "tummy" for "stomach" and so on. We're making ourselves easier to understand. Also, the affectionate cooing voice is developmentally important.
If we ever make a nanny robot, (ugh), it would have to be modeled on all the things we do instinctively.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:45:58pm |
re: #39 HoosierHoops
It's hard to believe how great Derek is..His playing is Genius..
/and no pick within sight
all the very best players finger pick at some point...Mayer put his pick in his index finger knuckle to hold it while he finger picks...never saw that before myself
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:46:51pm |
In contrast with Pat Roberson vile filth of yesterday, here's a church group that walks the walk in terms of aid to Haiti:
Armed, resolute, church group heads for Haiti
Money Quote:
“Our emphasis is to witness, to be the hands and the feet of Jesus,” said the 50-year-old senior pastor and founder of the Lifechurch in Allentown, Pa., who is leading a desperate relief mission to the Haitian orphanage the church sponsors. “If Jesus were here, what would he do? I don't think he would be in America sitting and watching the television. If he had a way to get to Port-au-Prince, he would get here. He would be a first-responder.”
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Unakite Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:48:16pm |
re: #36 darthstar
Enjoy! In the meantime, listen to the Derek Trucks solo...the guy is something else. Never looks like he's even working hard, but his fingers fly. And I can't recall ever seeing him use a pick.
Saw him with the Allman Brothers Band in VA Beach a couple of years ago.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:48:35pm |
Charles-
How is the new "unannounced" registration method going? Fewer socks?
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:49:27pm |
Did Dickie Betts ever get back with the Allman Bros? It's really not the same band without him.
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Digital Display Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:49:31pm |
re: #44 Unakite
Saw him with the Allman Brothers Band in VA Beach a couple of years ago.
I saw Derek play with Clapton in the summer of 2007 in Chicago
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:50:09pm |
speaking of Derek Trucks....here's his wife
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:50:57pm |
re: #46 Conservative Moonbat
Did Dickie Betts ever get back with the Allman Bros? It's really not the same band without him.
the band died with Duane imo
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Unakite Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:51:45pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:52:58pm |
re: #50 Unakite
Agree, but everyone still has to make a living.
Yep. Art is often sacrificed on the alter of livelihood.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:53:25pm |
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Unakite Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:55:12pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:56:37pm |
Robertson's people sent out a press release standing by his statement (apologies if this has already been posted):
A spokesman for Robertson e-mailed Politico's Ben Smith to helpfully explain that "countless scholars and religious figures over the centuries...believe the country is cursed," so Robertson was relying on sound scholarly research in tracing the cataclysmic earthquake to a well-documented pact with Satan that the people of Haiti entered into at the turn of the 19th century.
On today's The 700 Club, during a segment about the devastation, suffering and humanitarian effort that is needed in Haiti, Dr. Robertson also spoke about Haiti's history. His comments were based on the widely-discussed 1791 slave rebellion led by Boukman Dutty at Bois Caiman, where the slaves allegedly made a famous pact with the devil in exchange for victory over the French. This history, combined with the horrible state of the country, has led countless scholars and religious figures over the centuries to believe the country is cursed.Dr. Robertson never stated that the earthquake was God's wrath.
If you watch the entire video segment, Dr. Robertson's compassion for the people of Haiti is clear. He called for prayer for them. His humanitarian arm has been working to help thousands of people in Haiti over the last year, and they are currently launching a major relief and recovery effort to help the victims of this disaster. They have sent a shipment of millions of dollars worth of medications that is now in Haiti, and their disaster team leaders are expected to arrive tomorrow and begin operations to ease the suffering.
Nice 'walkback' Pat. Not.
Reminder: Robertson on Katrina: God's punishment on us for legal abortion.
Yglesias has some stuff on how that Haiti myth started, and makes the point that there's no reason for anyone in the 21st century to be pushing such crap.
Also, Pat's 'humanitarian arm', Operation Blessing I think it's called. apparently has some shady associations. Details as I find them.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:58:06pm |
re: #55 iceweasel
Sound scholarly research on...satanic pacts? How do you do sound scholarly research on the existence of a devil? Seriously.
Shut up and send some more clean water and bandages, Pat.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:58:46pm |
re: #55 iceweasel
Best to avoid Robertson's people entirely. Donate to the Red Cross instead.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:58:49pm |
re: #46 Conservative Moonbat
Did Dickie Betts ever get back with the Allman Bros? It's really not the same band without him.
I saw Dickie play with his son a few years back...kid looks like a strung out meth head, but boy can he play! Dickie's still got some fingers too.
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Unakite Thu, Jan 14, 2010 6:59:09pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:00:22pm |
re: #55 iceweasel
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:00:28pm |
re: #56 EmmmieG
Sound scholarly research on...satanic pacts? How do you do sound scholarly research on the existence of a devil? Seriously.
Shut up and send some more clean water and bandages, Pat.
Pat can't shut up. He can't concede a point to people he feels are infidels who spread moral corruption. Now, who does that remind you of? Here's a hint: We're hitting them with drone strikes.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:00:52pm |
Allman Bros play the blues, southern style
Not My Cross To Bear
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:02:07pm |
I'll always remember the Stills-Young concert I went to in 1976.
"The band was together from July through October 1976."
Lucky for me I was living near Columbia, SC when they toured. Stills played like he was at an audition. Young came across as though jail was preferable to being in SC. Stills won me over that night and I've always liked his music.
"Young dropped out of the tour when he grew bored with the project, forcing Stills to complete the concert tour solo."
Probably happened the day after they played Columbia.
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Lidane Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:02:13pm |
re: #32 Rightwingconspirator
I pretty much expected the headache. I had to take the glasses off a few times during the film, or look away from the main action and focus on just a small corner of the screen because I had a hard time adjusting. The second hour of the film was much better, but the film ended at 6pm and I'm still feeling uneasy almost three hours later. It's okay, though. It's nothing that some Advil can't fix. :)
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:02:22pm |
re: #56 EmmmieG
re: Sound scholarly research on...satanic pacts? How do you do sound scholarly research on the existence of a devil? Seriously.
/well first you apply for stimulus funding...
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:03:55pm |
Want to lose weight? Forget New Years resolutions and start eating soup.
Broth-based soup filled with veggies are nutritious and filling. Studies have shown that people who eat 1 1/2-2 cups of vegetable soup before a meal consume about 135 fewer calories at the meal.
Lately, I have been eating my Easy Butternut Squash and Kale Soup. It's chock-full of vitamin-rich veggies and fiber-rich beans. With both winter squash and dark, leafy greens at their peak, this soup is ideal for the cold winter months.
One of my favorite winter vegetables from the garden is celeriac. Here's a quick and simple recipe: Celeriac and Parsley Soup
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:04:06pm |
re: #61 Dark_Falcon
Pat can't shut up. He can't concede a point to people he feels are infidels who spread moral corruption. Now, who does that remind you of? Here's a hint: We're hitting them with drone strikes.
You know, I know people who are truly, deeply, socially conservative....the people who are supposed to make up Pat's audience, and I don't know anyone who takes him seriously. Not even my grandmother, who is about as "religious right" as it gets....
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:04:20pm |
Damn...all the good music people are now posting here, I'm finding it hard to follow the movie I'm watching. Rooster Cogburn (I loves me some Katherine Hepburn).
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:04:58pm |
re: #48 albusteve
speaking of Derek Trucks...here's his wife
[Video]
And here they are again, in a searing cover of Derek and the Dominoes' "Anyday". Not as searing as the original, mind--but then, what ever could be?
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Lidane Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:04:58pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
Best to avoid Robertson's people entirely. Donate to the Red Cross instead.
Or Doctors Without Borders. They're already on the ground in Haiti, so anything folks can give them to help out would be great:
[Link: www.doctorswithoutborders.org...]
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:05:29pm |
re: #68 darthstar
Damn...all the good music people are now posting here, I'm finding it hard to follow the movie I'm watching. Rooster Cogburn (I loves me some Katherine Hepburn).
I love that movie, and True Grit too....
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:06:15pm |
re: #69 The Sanity Inspector
And here they are again, in a searing cover of Derek and the Dominoes' "Anyday". Not as searing as the original, mind--but then, what ever could be?
[Video]
they did this at Telluride last year...just a brilliant encore duet....WOW!
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:06:53pm |
re: #67 srb1976
Hah. I have seen the same.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:06:53pm |
re: #61 Dark_Falcon
Pat can't shut up. He can't concede a point to people he feels are infidels who spread moral corruption. Now, who does that remind you of? Here's a hint: We're hitting them with drone strikes.
There's a great rant on Gawker (yes, I know) about Pat and that very point:
Pat Robertson is as hateful and seized by superstition as any Taliban mullah with a knot in his forehead from obsessively banging it into a prayer mat. The motivation for this latest proclamation is no doubt the fact that about half the people in Haiti practice voodoo, an amalgam of Catholicism and African animism that dates to the importation of West African slaves there in the 16th century, and that was common to the slaves who whose uprising against their French owners eventually became the Haitian Revolution. For a more nuanced explication Haiti's Satanic provenance—"Government Of The Devil, By The Devil, And For The Devil"—go here.
So because the people of Haiti practice a different religion from Robertson—about which everything he knows he learned from watching The Serpent and the Rainbow—it follows that their historic liberation in a bloody war must have been the result of a negotiation with a malevolent supernatural being who intervenes in worldly affairs. And every tragedy that has befallen their ancestors since has been deliberately directed at them by an all-powerful and loving god who wants to kill them, repeatedly, because they gained freedom by striking a deal with his enemy.
Who's the fucking witch doctor?
Warning: it being gawker, the comments are probably pretty NSFW and likely to contain lots of nasty.
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:07:02pm |
re: #66 Killgore Trout
Want to lose weight? Forget New Years resolutions and start eating soup.
One of my favorite winter vegetables from the garden is celeriac. Here's a quick and simple recipe: Celeriac and Parsley Soup
KT, do you have a Butternut Squash Soup recipe (or just a couple pointers)? One of my kids made it for us once and it was great. Guess I could ask my son, but your recipe may differ from his.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:08:28pm |
Robertson's curse meme sounds like a bunch of voodoo.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:08:53pm |
re: #75 rwmofo
Check the first link in my post. It has a recipe for Easy Butternut Squash, Kale, and Chickpea Soup.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:09:34pm |
re: #72 albusteve
at the end of this song, Susan does a scat thing while Derek accompanies her...goes on and on, louder and louder then they slam into the last chorus for the big finish...GET SOME!
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:10:03pm |
re: #72 albusteve
they did this at Telluride last year...just a brilliant encore duet...WOW!
I've still not made it to the Telluride festival...maybe this year. I do catch Yonder Mountain String Band whenever I can though...
Lead singer looks like he could be a Hanson brother from Slap Shot.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:10:26pm |
re: #77 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The celeriac soup calls for chicken stock but you could easily substitute veg stock. I'd suggest just using water.
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:10:32pm |
re: #78 Killgore Trout
Check the first link in my post. It has a recipe for Easy Butternut Squash, Kale, and Chickpea Soup.
sounds great but I personally like butternut as a main course.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:11:07pm |
re: #67 srb1976
You know, I know people who are truly, deeply, socially conservative...the people who are supposed to make up Pat's audience, and I don't know anyone who takes him seriously. Not even my grandmother, who is about as "religious right" as it gets...
She probably just enjoys watching the trainwreck, though you'd think it'd get old after a while.
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:11:36pm |
re: #78 Killgore Trout
Check the first link in my post. It has a recipe for Easy Butternut Squash, Kale, and Chickpea Soup.
Cool. I think I'll experiment this weekend. Thanks.
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:12:08pm |
re: #66 Killgore Trout
Want to lose weight? Forget New Years resolutions and start eating soup.
One of my favorite winter vegetables from the garden is celeriac. Here's a quick and simple recipe: Celeriac and Parsley Soup
Went and looked at the recipe, as my own New Year's Resolution is about cooking at home more often....and bonus points for any recipe that calls for a "glug" of anything....looks great!
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:12:11pm |
re: #81 Killgore Trout
The celeriac soup calls for chicken stock but you could easily substitute veg stock. I'd suggest just using water.
hey... where is FVB?
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:12:37pm |
re: #80 darthstar
I've still not made it to the Telluride festival...maybe this year. I do catch Yonder Mountain String Band whenever I can though...
Lead singer looks like he could be a Hanson brother from Slap Shot.
[Video]
it's a great gig...altho the locals suck, it's the most dramatic scenery ever...jaw dropping venue, well organized and first rate talent...do it
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:13:28pm |
re: #78 Killgore Trout
Check the first link in my post. It has a recipe for Easy Butternut Squash, Kale, and Chickpea Soup.
I love butternut squash...my favorite recipe is this one (a simple chili you can make in about an hour)...though I often just dice it up, sautee it or roast it with a little olive oil, salt & pepper.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:13:32pm |
re: #85 srb1976
Went and looked at the recipe, as my own New Year's Resolution is about cooking at home more often...and bonus points for any recipe that calls for a "glug" of anything...looks great!
Good for you. You'll save a lot of money and eat a lot better than if you stuck to microwave diners and restaurant food.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:13:36pm |
Also tonight on our "asshole list", we have Chuckie Schumer. Shumer felt the need to slime Massachusetts Republican Senate candidate Scott Brown by calling him a "Far Right Tea-Bagger". Stay Classy, Chuck. Story is here.
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Unakite Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:13:57pm |
re: #68 darthstar
Damn...all the good music people are now posting here, I'm finding it hard to follow the movie I'm watching. Rooster Cogburn (I loves me some Katherine Hepburn).
This one's for you.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:14:36pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:14:48pm |
re: #88 darthstar
That looks good. Might be fun to try sweet potatoes in that too.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:15:07pm |
Telluride CO...look at this town...the whole place is a huge antique...what a cool place for a music festival
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:15:59pm |
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:16:12pm |
re: #92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thinking of soups.
I love soups.
try Chicago pizza... it's soup & pie together
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McSpiff Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:16:31pm |
OT, but if Hoosier is reading this, mind checking your email?
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:17:07pm |
re: #90 Dark_Falcon
Good catch DF. I have some real dislike for Chuck Schumer from my self defense advocacy days.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:17:28pm |
so much negative vibe...always trashing
I'm outski
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:18:03pm |
re: #89 Killgore Trout
Good for you. You'll save a lot of money and eat a lot better than if you stuck to microwave diners and restaurant food.
Yeah, that's part of it, and part of it is also a MUCH saner work schedule, leaving time for shopping, planning, and cooking. It turns out that we all like it much better this way (except the Little Man, but he'll get used to it....picky eater phase)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:18:04pm |
re: #68 darthstar
Damn...all the good music people are now posting here, I'm finding it hard to follow the movie I'm watching. Rooster Cogburn (I loves me some Katherine Hepburn).
Did you see "The Aviator"? Kate Blanchett just nailed Katherine Hepburn. Voice, mannerism, look.
Kate Blanchett is as beautiful as she wants to be. Just an amazing talent.
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:18:33pm |
re: #98 Rightwingconspirator
Good catch DF. I have some real dislike for Chuck Schumer from my self defense advocacy days.
well as we say in Brooklyn, Chuck Sucks.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:18:36pm |
My good old Lincoln is in the shop because of a little encounter I had with a ditch in the Mojave Desert.
So today my host and new employer hands me the key to his 1996 Jaguar XK8 convertible.
The key is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Looks like a tool for digging petrified earwax out of dinosaur fossils.
The car is, well...woot woot!
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Digital Display Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:19:39pm |
Dear Lord
Help the people of Haiti..Bring healing to this poor country..
May you give strength to the survivors...Peace to the deceased ...
Lord..Hear our cry
Amen
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:20:15pm |
re: #95 albusteve
you don't like music?
I do, but I'm not an expert in it. I also felt that that jerk Shumer needed to be called out for his nastiness.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:20:24pm |
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Digital Display Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:20:50pm |
re: #97 McSpiff
OT, but if Hoosier is reading this, mind checking your email?
Not feeling you...what do you mean bro?
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McSpiff Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:20:51pm |
re: #104 HoosierHoops
Dear Lord
Help the people of Haiti..Bring healing to this poor country..
May you give strength to the survivors...Peace to the deceased ...
Lord..Hear our cry
Amen
Hey Hoosier, wanna give a quick check of your email, I relayed a message to you through Reine.
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:21:18pm |
re: #106 Cato the Elder
You find that description to be inaccurate?
Yes I do, got a problem wit dat?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:21:19pm |
re: #103 Cato the Elder
My good old Lincoln is in the shop because of a little encounter I had with a ditch in the Mojave Desert.
So today my host and new employer hands me the key to his 1996 Jaguar XK8 convertible.
The key is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Looks like a tool for digging petrified earwax out of dinosaur fossils.
The car is, well...woot woot!
Hoo, Baby! That's a nice one! You're a lucky man, Cato.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:21:45pm |
re: #91 Unakite
Well...that just put the TV on mute for ten minutes....thanks!
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avanti Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:21:50pm |
re: #103 Cato the Elder
My good old Lincoln is in the shop because of a little encounter I had with a ditch in the Mojave Desert.
So today my host and new employer hands me the key to his 1996 Jaguar XK8 convertible.
The key is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Looks like a tool for digging petrified earwax out of dinosaur fossils.
The car is, well...woot woot!
Be careful, that key could cost up to $500 to replace if you lose it.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:21:52pm |
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:22:07pm |
What is the significance of a vegetable soup thread?
Beets me.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:22:24pm |
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:23:19pm |
re: #112 avanti
Be careful, that key could cost up to $500 to replace if you lose it.
I got a screwdriver that will fit just fine...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:23:31pm |
re: #114 Spare O'Lake
What is the significance of a vegetable soup thread
Well, see? It's got vegetables and... and soup!
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:23:33pm |
re: #114 Spare O'Lake
What is the significance of a vegetable soup thread?
Beets me.
But doubtless some significance will leek out from somewhere before long.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:23:48pm |
re: #114 Spare O'Lake
You have to look to the root of the recipe.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:23:57pm |
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Digital Display Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:24:20pm |
re: #108 McSpiff
Hey Hoosier, wanna give a quick check of your email, I relayed a message to you through Reine.
I'll check in the morning...I'm IT and receive a 1000+ emails a day..
I look forward to hearing from you
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Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:24:24pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:24:28pm |
re: #106 Cato the Elder
You find that description to be inaccurate?
Yes, I actually do. Scott Brown is not a far-right figure. Its true that he's getting help from some on the right who have gone around the bend, but that is true of almost any politician. He is a sane candidate whom Schumer is trying to slime and its important that conservatives call BS on that.
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:25:05pm |
re: #118 The Sanity Inspector
Take stock of the ingredients.
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Bagua Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:25:11pm |
re: #55 iceweasel
Robertson's people sent out a press release standing by his statement (apologies if this has already been posted):
A spokesman for Robertson e-mailed Politico's Ben Smith to helpfully explain that "countless scholars and religious figures over the centuries...believe the country is cursed," so Robertson was relying on sound scholarly research in tracing the cataclysmic earthquake to a well-documented pact with Satan that the people of Haiti entered into at the turn of the 19th century.
Nice 'walkback' Pat. Not.
Reminder: Robertson on Katrina: God's punishment on us for legal abortion.Yglesias has some stuff on how that Haiti myth started, and makes the point that there's no reason for anyone in the 21st century to be pushing such crap.
Also, Pat's 'humanitarian arm', Operation Blessing I think it's called. apparently has some shady associations. Details as I find them.
Exactly right, and note that it was the beliefs of the non-Haitians. Part of this was the thinking that African Slaves could not defeat a powerful and advanced European nation without some sort of magical powers. As they believe the church was on the side of god, that only leaves the devil to help the Haitians.
Part was intentional on the part of the slaves fighting for their freedom, they struck fear into their oppressors by making them believe they could curse them, and indeed many of the slave masters died mysteriously as the Africans had a sophisticated knowledge of the effect of plants for medicine, or poison.
Part was the appearance of the Haitian form of prayer and ritual, which involved possession which was a form of channeling helpful spirits for, healing and guidance. To the Christian Europeans, possession was associated with the devil and evil spirits.
This belief also spread into the US culture as well, for example, a bluesman goes to the crossroads or New Orleans, makes a pact with the devil and is granted a "mojo" magical hand. Crossroads are key locations of power, danger and opportunity in Haitian mythology. New Orleans was a centre of Voudoun in the US.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:25:12pm |
re: #120 Mad Al-Jaffee
I flipping loved that Paul Simon, "Father and Daughter" song from "The Rugrats" movie.
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avanti Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:25:28pm |
re: #116 brookly red
I got a screwdriver that will fit just fine...
Not that kind of key. It has a IR sender that sends a digital code to the cars computer. It won't work unless you have Dr Who's screwdriver.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:26:11pm |
re: #121 HoosierHoops
I'll check in the morning...I'm IT and receive a 1000+ emails a day..
I look forward to hearing from you
Over a thousand emails a day? Wow, I bet you have enough Viagra for everybody!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:27:17pm |
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:27:18pm |
re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Over a thousand emails a day? Wow, I bet you have enough Viagra for everybody!
Notify Rush, his supply has arrived. ;-)
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McSpiff Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:27:26pm |
re: #121 HoosierHoops
I'll check in the morning...I'm IT and receive a 1000+ emails a day..
I look forward to hearing from you
Ouch, ignore it then. Was a request for the prayer list. Let me just repost it here for ya:
Hey Hoosier,If you could add Sherman Nugent and his family to the prayer list, it would be greatly appreciated. He was a professor at my school since 1968, and a good friend to many. He only stopped teaching and conducting research a couple of semesters ago. Not sure if adding a link to obituaries is customary or not, but here it is: link
Thanks
McSpiff
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:27:51pm |
re: #90 Dark_Falcon
Also tonight on our "asshole list", we have Chuckie Schumer. Shumer felt the need to slime Massachusetts Republican Senate candidate Scott Brown by calling him a "Far Right Tea-Bagger". Stay Classy, Chuck. Story is here.
Well, since Schumer doesn't have better ideas name-calling is all he has left in the quiver.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:27:58pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:28:01pm |
And, of course...
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:28:10pm |
re: #127 avanti
Not that kind of key. It has a IR sender that sends a digital code to the cars computer. It won't work unless you have Dr Who's screwdriver.
ehhh, Joey works for the dealership, it can be done.
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Unakite Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:28:49pm |
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:28:59pm |
re: #103 Cato the Elder
My good old Lincoln is in the shop because of a little encounter I had with a ditch in the Mojave Desert.
So today my host and new employer hands me the key to his 1996 Jaguar XK8 convertible.
The key is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Looks like a tool for digging petrified earwax out of dinosaur fossils.
The car is, well...woot woot!
But...does it go fast?
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:29:11pm |
There's what looks to be the start of a good liveblog on DKos about how to help with the Hati situation:
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
It's apolitical so far
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:29:37pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:30:03pm |
re: #125 Bagua
Exactly right, and note that it was the beliefs of the non-Haitians. Part of this was the thinking that African Slaves could not defeat a powerful and advanced European nation without some sort of magical powers. As they believe the church was on the side of god, that only leaves the devil to help the Haitians.
Exactly. Excellent comment (all of it, not just this bit).
This bit I'm just quoting for emphasis, as to the 'scholars' Pat is allegedly relying on. They just couldn't accept that the Haitians won.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:31:05pm |
re: #138 Conservative Moonbat
There's what looks to be the start of a good liveblog on DKos about how to help with the Hati situation:
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
It's apolitical so far
Still not giving Kos the clicks. Screw 'em.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:31:09pm |
re: #139 Gus 802
Google "charles taylor" "pat robertson" "operation blessing"
Google "charles colson" "pat robertson" "operation blessing"
Yay! I knew you'd be on the case. :-)
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darthstar Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:31:29pm |
Okay folks...Dark Star is almost over and I've got to pack food for the dogs for the weekend as they're not coming with us, finish my laundry, and get my ski-patrol gear organized so I don't have to pack in the morning ("Working from home" tomorrow...want to get to Tahoe by noon so I can check in via email and then maybe get some laps in).
Have a great evening everyone...it's been a blast.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:31:45pm |
re: #138 Conservative Moonbat
I don't go to other sites.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:31:49pm |
Repost, sorry if you already read,
To Rush and those others who would question Pres Obama's motives for helping Haiti, what do you have to say to this family? Pat the rat is an ass.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:33:01pm |
re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Over a thousand emails a day? Wow, I bet you have enough Viagra for everybody!
I went to a Rite Aid the other day in Yucca Valley, CA, to pick up a prescription refill for my blood-pressure meds. The guy ahead of me in line was about my age but in really bad shape. He was using on of those in-store scooters to get around. He back and forth with the cute pharmacist behind the counter who had to explain to him that one of his meds wasn't coverred by MediCal. She said he could buy ten pills for $200 and take it up with the bureaucrats. He said he didn't have two C-notes and would do without.
He looked like he had major diabetes and maybe kidney trouble, so I'm feeling all sorry for him. When he scooted away, I asked the pharmacy chick under my breath what kind of medicine costs twenty bucks a tablet. She smiled me a dazzling smile and said, "Viagra".
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:34:01pm |
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Lidane Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:34:12pm |
Since this is technically a music thread, this song just came up on my iTunes shuffle:
I still maintain that Step Inside This House is Lyle's best record. Or maybe it's just my favorite of his.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:35:02pm |
re: #137 rwmofo
But...does it go fast?
It weighs less than I do and has a V-8 engine. Tomorrow I take it out on the highway.
Top speed I made this trip in my Lincoln was 112 mph. We shall see.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:36:08pm |
re: #139 Gus 802
Google "charles taylor" "pat robertson" "operation blessing"
Google "charles colson" "pat robertson" "operation blessing"
Colson I'd understand but Charles Taylor?! That man was a murderous tyrant. I'd have thought even Pat Robertson would know better than to involve himself with that monster, but apparently Roberson's stupidity knows no bounds.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:36:25pm |
re: #142 iceweasel
Yay! I knew you'd be on the case. :-)
Yeah, pretty creepy stuff. I'm trying to figure out what's going on here. Operation Blessing get a score of 4 at Charity Navigator. They have a very low overhead apparently. But get this, the president makes over 300,000 per year.
There's also this from The Nation:
After a lengthy investigation, Virginia's Office of Consumer Affairs determined that Robertson "willfully induced contributions from the public through the use of misleading statements and other implications." Yet when the office called for legal action against Robertson in 1999, Virginia Attorney General Mark Earley, a Republican, intervened with his own report, agreeing that Robertson had made deceptive appeals but overruling the recommendation for his prosecution. Two years earlier, while Virginia's investigation was gathering steam, Robertson donated $35,000 to Earley's campaign--Earley's largest contribution. With Earley's report came a sense of vindication. "From the very beginning," Robertson claimed, "we were trying to provide help and assistance to those who were facing disease and death in the war-torn, chaotic nation of Zaire."
(Earley is now president of Prison Fellowship Ministries, an evangelical social-work organization founded by born-again, former Nixon dirty-trickster Charles Colson. PFM has accepted White House faith-based-initiative money and is currently engaged in hurricane relief efforts in Louisiana. Earley remains a close ally of Robertson.)
Notice how it was basically dropped from being investigated by politically connected insiders. In this case Mark Earley who is now president of Prison Fellowship Ministries who by the way happens to be a co-sponsor of CPAC.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:36:35pm |
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:37:00pm |
re: #149 Cato the Elder
It weighs less than I do and has a V-8 engine. Tomorrow I take it out on the highway.
Top speed I made this trip in my Lincoln was 112 mph. We shall see.
check your tire inflation and be careful in the bat-zone ;)
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jaunte Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:37:14pm |
re: #148 Lidane
If you enjoy 'Texas Trilogy' from that album, you might like hearing it from the songwriter:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:37:17pm |
re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I don't go to other sites.
I slip into the Puffington Host every once in a while, cut one, then leave. Charles' yard is light-years ahead of commenting anywhere else and it spoils you. Commenting at other web-sites is like shuffling through your VHS tapes for a while, then deciding not to even mess with the VCR. Plus, how much spare time do you have to do this?
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:37:23pm |
re: #150 Dark_Falcon
Colson I'd understand but Charles Taylor?! That man was a murderous tyrant. I'd have thought even Pat Robertson would know better than to involve himself with that monster, but apparently Roberson's stupidity knows no bounds.
Through Robertson's gold mining operation in Liberia.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:38:50pm |
re: #146 Cato the Elder
Looks like I spent two weeks in the desert and forgot about PIMF.
"...one of those..."
"He bantered back and forth..."
Yikes. Who rest, rusts.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:38:52pm |
re: #155 rwmofo
I slip into the Puffington Host every once in a while, cut one, then leave. Charles' yard is light-years ahead of commenting anywhere else and it spoils you. Commenting at other web-sites is like shuffling through your VHS tapes for a while, then deciding not to even mess with the VCR. Plus, how much spare time do you have to do this?
It's like we used to say about usenet: It was a slow day at work, so I was able to get three hours in online. It was a normal day at work, so I had some difficulty getting three hours in online. It was a hectic day at work, it was all I could do to get three hours in online.
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:38:54pm |
re: #149 Cato the Elder
It weighs less than I do and has a V-8 engine. Tomorrow I take it out on the highway.
Top speed I made this trip in my Lincoln was 112 mph. We shall see.
Cool. Buckle your seat-belt and tell us about it tomorrow.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:39:20pm |
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:39:55pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:40:06pm |
re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I flipping loved that Paul Simon, "Father and Daughter" song from "The Rugrats" movie.
Don't know that one, but I love Simon's "Mother and Child Reunion."
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freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:40:15pm |
Doom and gloom around the States:
More and more states on budget brink
Across the nation, state tax collections in the first three quarters of 2009 posted their steepest decline in at least 46 years, according to a report this month from the public policy research arm of the State University of New York.
At least 30 states raised taxes in their most recently completed fiscal year -- which ended in most cases in mid-2009. Even more cut services. All told, states raised $117 billion to fill last year's budget gaps, the Pew Center on the States estimates.
Yet despite all those new taxes and deep cutbacks, pressure on state finances continues to build. Economists warn that without a new round of federal stimulus spending, states could face another round of layoffs that could kneecap an already shaky economic recovery.
[...]
The article goes on to highlight how important the Stimulus bill was to helping the States pay their bills.
Is it time for Stimulus, The Sequel to start playing in a theatre near you?
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:40:39pm |
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Lidane Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:40:41pm |
re: #154 jaunte
Oh, I bought a bunch of stuff when Step Inside This House first came out. CD's by every major songwriter that Lyle Lovett covered, including Steven Fromholz.
Living here in Austin makes listening to Texas music almost mandatory. I think I'd get tossed in jail if I didn't have some of the original artists on that CD in my music collection. Hehe. ;)
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jaunte Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:41:43pm |
re: #165 Lidane
Ah, understood. I'd missed the info you were in Austin.
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Bagua Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:42:10pm |
re: #140 iceweasel
Exactly. Excellent comment (all of it, not just this bit).
This bit I'm just quoting for emphasis, as to the 'scholars' Pat is allegedly relying on. They just couldn't accept that the Haitians won.
That's right, Pat is not quoting any Haitian scholars and he is interpreting Haitian beliefs from a Christian European point of view, as did the sources he is citing. Nor does he have any understanding of Haitian beliefs, history and rituals.
Part of our modernity and the advancement of academic thought has been to develop the ability to study non-European cultures as they see themselves and in the context of their beliefs, rather than from a Euro-centric perspective. Pat Robertson is relying on thinkers who predate this advance.
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:42:13pm |
re: #163 freetoken
Doom and gloom around the States:
More and more states on budget brink
The article goes on to highlight how important the Stimulus bill was to helping the States pay their bills.
Is it time for Stimulus, The Sequel to start playing in a theatre near you?
I heard they stopped production cause they ran out of other peoples money...
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:42:30pm |
re: #151 Gus 802
Notice how it was basically dropped from being investigated by politically connected insiders. In this case Mark Earley who is now president of Prison Fellowship Ministries who by the way happens to be a co-sponsor of CPAC.
Favourited. Thanks!
The little web of wingnuts, pull one little thread and so many nasty creatures shake and move....
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Lidane Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:42:33pm |
re: #166 jaunte
Ah, understood. I'd missed the info you were in Austin.
No worries. Besides, if it gets someone else interested in some good music, who am I to complain? :)
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:43:04pm |
re: #163 freetoken
Doom and gloom around the States:
More and more states on budget brink
The article goes on to highlight how important the Stimulus bill was to helping the States pay their bills.Is it time for Stimulus, The Sequel to start playing in a theatre near you?
If things keep going this way, you bet your sweet bippy they will push for Stimulus Part Deux...
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Unakite Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:43:22pm |
re: #143 darthstar
Okay folks...Dark Star is almost over and I've got to pack food for the dogs for the weekend as they're not coming with us, finish my laundry, and get my ski-patrol gear organized so I don't have to pack in the morning ("Working from home" tomorrow...want to get to Tahoe by noon so I can check in via email and then maybe get some laps in).
Have a great evening everyone...it's been a blast.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:43:31pm |
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:44:33pm |
re: #171 talon_262
If things keep going this way, you bet your sweet bippy they will push for Stimulus Part Deux...
now if they can just figure out how to pay for part 1....
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Randall Gross Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:45:02pm |
re: #156 Gus 802
At some point you have to stop and wonder if that's still going on, which in turn takes you to which gold huckstering outfit they sell through, and then which wingularity shows that huckstering outfit advertises on...
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:45:05pm |
re: #168 brookly red
I heard they stopped production cause they ran out of other peoples money...
...so there'll be a short pause while they print more out of thin air.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:45:17pm |
Anyone else here use the Google Toolbar add-on with Firefox?
It's gone loony toons. When I go to a Wiki page, it tells me that "this page is in Traditional Chinese. Do you want to translate?"
LGF is currently in Danish. Facebook is Slovak.
I'd look for a fix but it actually has me in stitches. Doesn't take much to amuse me...
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:45:26pm |
re: #169 iceweasel
Favourited. Thanks!
The little web of wingnuts, pull one little thread and so many nasty creatures shake and move...
It's all so very muckety!
Here's Washington Post article about Pat Robertson's Gold. I know how certain links to places like The Nation are avoided at times by some folks.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:46:07pm |
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:46:08pm |
re: #174 brookly red
now if they can just figure out how to pay for part 1...
The Feds have the Alfred E. Neuman disease: "What, me worry?"
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:46:34pm |
re: #176 The Sanity Inspector
...so there'll be a short pause while they print more out of thin air.
pardon me I was buying euros & didn't catch what you were saying...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:46:41pm |
re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did you just go and check?
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:46:57pm |
Voodoo? Then, of course...
This is the best version I've ever heard of this song, even given the pinched sound quality. How did he do it? Simple: he just stripped it down and sped it up. Stevie Ray Vaughn was great, but his version is just standing still compared to this.
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:48:01pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:48:10pm |
re: #177 Cato the Elder
Anyone else here use the Google Toolbar add-on with Firefox?
It's gone loony toons. When I go to a Wiki page, it tells me that "this page is in Traditional Chinese. Do you want to translate?"
LGF is currently in Danish. Facebook is Slovak.
I'd look for a fix but it actually has me in stitches. Doesn't take much to amuse me...
I installed HP's new Web Smart Printing upgrade, and it made FireFox's navigation toolbar appear in quintuplicate.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:48:43pm |
re: #167 Bagua
That's right, Pat is not quoting any Haitian scholars and he is interpreting Haitian beliefs from a Christian European point of view, as did the sources he is citing. Nor does he have any understanding of Haitian beliefs, history and rituals.
Part of our modernity and the advancement of academic thought has been to develop the ability to study non-European cultures as they see themselves and in the context of their beliefs, rather than from a Euro-centric perspective. Pat Robertson is relying on thinkers who predate this advance.
Of course he is. The hatred of modernity is in the Eternal Fascist tradition:
2. Traditionalism implies the rejection of modernism.
[...] The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.
4. The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism.
In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge. For Ur-Fascism, disagreement is treason.
5. Besides, disagreement is a sign of diversity.
Ur-Fascism grows up and seeks consensus by exploiting and exacerbating the natural fear of difference. The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.
I find a great deal of use in that essay for certain issues and trends in Greater Wingnuttia.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:49:09pm |
re: #162 Mad Al-Jaffee
Don't know that one, but I love Simon's "Mother and Child Reunion."
Here's a verse of "Father and Daughter"
I believe the light that shines on you
Will shine on you forever
And though I can't guarantee
There's nothing scary hiding under your bed
I’m gonna stand guard
Like a postcard of a Golden Retriever
And never leave till I leave you
With a sweet dream in your head
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:50:15pm |
re: #178 Gus 802
It's all so very muckety!
Here's Washington Post article about Pat Robertson's Gold. I know how certain links to places like The Nation are avoided at times by some folks.
Excellent, reading these now. Thanks
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:50:48pm |
re: #171 talon_262
If things keep going this way, you bet your sweet bippy they will push for Stimulus Part Deux...
I'm betting he makes it a reelection issue.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:51:25pm |
Not exactly voodoo, but close enough.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:51:29pm |
re: #175 Thanos
At some point you have to stop and wonder if that's still going on, which in turn takes you to which gold huckstering outfit they sell through, and then which wingularity shows that huckstering outfit advertises on...
I guess I'm alleging matters at this point but $286,648,254 in total functional expenses in 2008 for Operation Blessings International with almost 99.1% going to program expenses? This and the president, William F. Horan is compensated $330,290 in 2008? When you add that to the previous news regarding the gold operation in Liberia it makes me wonder.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:52:12pm |
re: #182 EmmmieG
Can't slip nuthin' past you...
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brookly red Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:53:14pm |
re: #190 Conservative Moonbat
I'm betting he makes it a reelection issue.
/yeah, from exile in France...
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:53:49pm |
Ween -- Voodoo Lady (live and kickass)
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:55:17pm |
Somebody hoodoo'd the hoodoo man.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:56:54pm |
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Van Helsing Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:57:03pm |
re: #163 freetoken
Doom and gloom around the States:
More and more states on budget brink
The article goes on to highlight how important the Stimulus bill was to helping the States pay their bills.
Is it time for Stimulus, The Sequel to start playing in a theatre near you?
Wait until they figure out how much 'Health Care Reform' is going to cost them.
Except Nebraska...
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:58:51pm |
re: #189 iceweasel
You know, the Bible never really says, when Jesus ran the moneylenders out of the temple, where did they go?
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 7:59:27pm |
My Cousin's mom got a pacemaker today! Everything went fine!
Problem was, she originally went into the hospital because her hemorrhoids were bleeding....
*FACEPALM*
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Lidane Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:00:05pm |
re: #199 Escaped Hillbilly
You know, the Bible never really says, when Jesus ran the moneylenders out of the temple, where did they go?
They went to the next town over, put on some fancy suits, and started fleecing the faithful as televangelists. =P
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:00:24pm |
re: #192 Gus 802
I guess I'm alleging matters at this point but $286,648,254 in total functional expenses in 2008 for Operation Blessings International with almost 99.1% going to program expenses? This and the president, William F. Horan is compensated $330,290 in 2008? When you add that to the previous news regarding the gold operation in Liberia it makes me wonder.
If I'm reading that Charity Navigator entry right, it looks like 99.1% goes to programs, not to admin/fundraising overhead (which is at 0.08%). Judging by those numbers, it would seem to be extremely efficient, but the overhead numbers look artificially low to me...
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:02:36pm |
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:02:42pm |
re: #199 Escaped Hillbilly
You know, the Bible never really says, when Jesus ran the moneylenders out of the temple, where did they go?
I think they just went out. After all, Jesus said "You will not make my house a den of thieves!" That sounds a lot like "Get off my lawn!"
He didn't chase 'em down again, so wherever they went, He was cool.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:03:00pm |
re: #199 Escaped Hillbilly
You know, the Bible never really says, when Jesus ran the moneylenders out of the temple, where did they go?
I dunno, but reading this article Gus linked, if Pat had been one of them he would have headed to Liberia.
t's a great deal for Liberia, which is now an economic basket case thanks to the long civil war and Taylor's corruption. It's also good for Freedom Gold, which was formed by Robertson in 1998. Liberia -- and for all practical purposes we're talking Taylor -- gains 10 percent ownership of Freedom Gold.
As The Post's Douglas Farah reported in January, huge amounts of the country's funds have been siphoned off by a small group of Taylor's associates and relatives. Taylor "has his hand in everything and gets a cut of everything," a businessman told The Post. Other Liberians, probably Taylor's gang, are entitled to buy at least 15 percent of Freedom Gold's shares after the exploration period.
I didn't think it was possible to despise Robertson more than I already did. I learn something new here every day though!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:04:12pm |
re: #199 Escaped Hillbilly
You know, the Bible never really says, when Jesus ran the moneylenders out of the temple, where did they go?
I always figured the next temple...
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:04:55pm |
re: #203 Mad Al-Jaffee
New Law Requires Women To Name Baby, Paint Nursery Before Getting Abortion
Sigh...Before I clicked on the link and realized it's from The Onion, I though it was real...Sad that I think this way, no?
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Lidane Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:05:14pm |
re: #202 talon_262
If I'm reading that Charity Navigator entry right, it looks like 99.1% goes to programs, not to admin/fundraising overhead (which is at 0.08%). Judging by those numbers, it would seem to be extremely efficient, but the overhead numbers look artificially low to me...
There's no way in hell that their numbers are that low if that's a legitimate charity. By way of contrast, Doctors Without Borders earmarks 1% of their donations for Management and General costs, 12% for Fundraising, and the remaining 87% for program services:
[Link: www.doctorswithoutborders.org...]
I'm not buying those numbers from that Operation Blessings International. Something doesn't add up at all.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:05:45pm |
re: #202 talon_262
If I'm reading that Charity Navigator entry right, it looks like 99.1% goes to programs, not to admin/fundraising overhead (which is at 0.08%). Judging by those numbers, it would seem to be extremely efficient, but the overhead numbers look artificially low to me...
Right. Extremely efficient would be correct. Just came across a USAid page regarding OBI and they have paid for freight before but not by much -- about 50K. They only other way they would get such a low overhead is if they have free freight from other sources.
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Soap_Man Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:06:26pm |
re: #204 SteveC
I think they just went out. After all, Jesus said "You will not make my house a den of thieves!" That sounds a lot like "Get off my lawn!"
He didn't chase 'em down again, so wherever they went, He was cool.
I'm far from a biblical scholar, but was the only moment Jesus showed anger? My friend brings it up a lot, how little patience even the best of us shows for reckless greed.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:06:39pm |
re: #205 iceweasel
I'll keep setting them up if you keep knocking them back.
Yeah, my thinking was Robertson should try reading the Bible more and thumping it less.
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:08:04pm |
re: #211 Soap_Man
I'm far from a biblical scholar, but was the only moment Jesus showed anger? My friend brings it up a lot, how little patience even the best of us shows for reckless greed.
I don't recall if it was the only time (not a biblical scholar, either) but it was one of the few.
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Racer X Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:08:23pm |
Sliced avocado, sprinkled with sea salt and splashed with a bit of lime juice, makes an excellent dessert.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:08:33pm |
re: #208 Varek Raith
Sigh...Before I clicked on the link and realized it's from The Onion, I though it was real...Sad that I think this way, no?
No, it's sad that OK has had a law requiring women seeking abortions to get an ultrasound, even when it's completely unnecessary.
But what if a woman doesn't want an ultrasound, and there's no pressing clinical reason for her to have it? Four states—Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Oklahoma—have taken the galling step of requiring her to have one regardless of need. They recently passed laws that go beyond offering ultrasounds to mandating them. Oklahoma's new statute dictates that either the doctor performing the abortion or a "certified technician working in conjunction" with that doctor do the ultrasound, "provide a simultaneous explanation of what the ultrasound is depicting," and also "display the ultrasound images so that the pregnant woman may view them." The law goes so far as to specify the doctor's script: The physician must describe the heartbeat and the presence of internal organs, fingers, and toes. The patient then has to certify in writing that the doctor or technician duly did all of this before the abortion. She can avert her eyes from the screen, the statute allows. Maybe the legislators should have also thought to mention putting her hands over her ears.
The onion, as ever, is razor sharp.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:08:44pm |
re: #213 SteveC
...It's music time!
[Video]
Upding for the most demented 80s video by a 70s supergroup.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:08:58pm |
re: #199 Escaped Hillbilly
You know, the Bible never really says, when Jesus ran the moneylenders out of the temple, where did they go?
Well, that leads me into my next link, one from an article out of last month yet which today is still making the rounds in the lefty-o-sphere:
Why American consumers can't add
I'm the hidden fee guy, the “Gotcha” guy. People like me usually rant about dreadful banks are and how unfair big companies are, about how corporate greed caused our economic collapse and about how rampant unfairness built the house of cards that just collapsed all around us and sent the world into a global recession.
But it's impossible to ignore the fact that individual consumers made a lot of really bad choices in the past decade. They bought homes with $2,000 mortgages when they only earned $3,000 a month. They borrowed money at 30 percent interest to buy granite countertops. Aren’t they to blame for their own demise? To be an honest journalist, I had to ask: Why are American consumers so gullible, so seemingly out of control? Is there something wrong with us?Yes, several things. But most important is this: Americans are terrible at math.
[...]
Here are a few examples of innumeracy in action:
According to the Department of Education’s National Assessment of Adult Literacy, U.S. adults are terrible at solving real-world math problems, like calculating tips or comparing prices in grocery stores. Some dismal results:
*Only 42 percent were able to pick out two items on a menu, add them, and calculate a tip.
*Only 1 in 5 could reliably calculate mortgage interest.
*1 in 5 could not calculate weekly salary when told an hourly pay rate.
[...]
*The U.S. ranks 25th among 30 industrialized nations in math scores, down near Serbia and Uruguay. U.S. students thought they had the highest grades of any nation in the study, however.
*Half of 17 year olds couldn't do enough math to work in an auto plant, according to President's National Mathematics Advisory Panel.
[...]
But here’s another essential point. How can Johnny learn to add if Johnny’s teachers can’t?
*In 18 U.S. states, not even one elementary math class is required for certification.
*Some teaching colleges allow admittance as long as students have math skills equal to their future students -- that is, as long as they could pass a 5th grade math test.
*It's possible in some states to pass the teacher certification exam (Praxis) without answering a single math question correctly.
*In Massachusetts, there's a special program to reacquaint teachers with math. The man who runs the program says half of teachers can't answer basic questions involving fractions and has concluded that many elementary teachers are "phobic" about math.
*Teachers seem to be math-averse from the start. College bound seniors headed for elementary education have math SAT scores significantly lower than the national average (483 vs. 515).
[...]
I've posted before on innumeracy. Combined with illiteracy problems in this country, it is not unreasonable to conclude that the average American is uneducated and basically incompetent for any modern (technological) job.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:10:35pm |
re: #212 Escaped Hillbilly
I'll keep setting them up if you keep knocking them back.
Yeah, my thinking was Robertson should try reading the Bible more and thumping it less.
Yep. Reading just isn't as fun as getting all shouty on the teevee, for Pat. Or as profitable.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:10:36pm |
re: #212 Escaped Hillbilly
I'll keep setting them up if you keep knocking them back.
Yeah, my thinking was Robertson should try reading the Bible more and thumping it less.
LOL! Great line.
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Soap_Man Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:10:46pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:10:47pm |
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:12:14pm |
re: #200 SteveC
My Cousin's mom got a pacemaker today! Everything went fine!
Problem was, she originally went into the hospital because her hemorrhoids were bleeding...
*FACEPALM*
Seriously - she was in for her bleeding problem, and they put an EKG on her as part of a routine workup. And suddenly the doc says "Hey! You're in A-Fib!"
Her dad called my Cuz. Cuz hung up the phone and turns to her husband, says "We need to go to the hospital, Mom's getting a pacemaker!" Hubby (who knows about the bleeding but not the A-Fib) says "Are they looking at the correct body part?!?!?!"
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:13:15pm |
re: #205 iceweasel
I agree. Pat Robertson and Jesse Jackson have enriched themselves over the years while claiming they wanted to help others, but I figured out long ago that their bullshit is so transparent birds fly into it.
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:15:22pm |
re: #225 rwmofo
I agree. Pat Robertson and Jesse Jackson have enriched themselves over the years while claiming they wanted to help others, but I figured out long ago that their bullshit is so transparent birds fly into it.
So you can clean bullshit with Windex?
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:15:52pm |
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:16:13pm |
re: #224 SteveC
I don't know whether to laugh out loud or feel sorry. Good news, bad news, good news.
Great story. And its terrific you can see the humor in it. Hope your cousin's mom is doing better (both problems).
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:17:34pm |
NOW I GET IT. It's crystal clear. I've been wondering how Pat Robertson has been getting his information about satanic pacts, because I have never seen some sort of "Satanic Pacts, 1556-2010" reference book in the library. Well, not any library I've been to.
He just asked Charles Taylor, who undoubtedly could go right to the source.
I see now.
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Racer X Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:17:48pm |
re: #224 SteveC
Seriously - she was in for her bleeding problem, and they put an EKG on her as part of a routine workup. And suddenly the doc says "Hey! You're in A-Fib!"
Her dad called my Cuz. Cuz hung up the phone and turns to her husband, says "We need to go to the hospital, Mom's getting a pacemaker!" Hubby (who knows about the bleeding but not the A-Fib) says "Are they looking at the correct body part?!?!?!"
Funny.
Once in a while our horrible medical system here in the U.S. gets something right eh? (I'm assuming this was in the U.S.?)
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:18:37pm |
re: #226 SteveC
So you can clean bullshit with Windex?
No, but be sure to keep the batteries charged in your Bullshit Detector.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:18:37pm |
re: #225 rwmofo
I agree. Pat Robertson and Jesse Jackson have enriched themselves over the years while claiming they wanted to help others, but I figured out long ago that their bullshit is so transparent birds fly into it.
There's a few people with national profiles where every once in a while, I'm struck with amazement all over again that they have any platform at all. They're two of them. Al Sharpton is another.
The list has been getting lots longer though. Pat Buchanan, Glenn Beck...on and on.
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Soap_Man Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:18:38pm |
re: #221 Dark_Falcon
LOL! Great line.
Hey Falcon! What's the good word? Beautiful day out today, eh?
(A sad state of affairs we live in, when 34 and sunny is considered to be beautiful.)
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Van Helsing Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:18:51pm |
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:19:54pm |
re: #225 rwmofo
I agree. Pat Robertson and Jesse Jackson have enriched themselves over the years while claiming they wanted to help others, but I figured out long ago that their bullshit is so transparent birds fly into it.
Jeremiah Wright.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:20:21pm |
re: #231 Racer X
Funny.
Once in a while our horrible medical system here in the U.S. gets something right eh? (I'm assuming this was in the U.S.?)
But this time it was ass backwards before it was right.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:20:22pm |
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:20:40pm |
re: #228 Escaped Hillbilly
I don't know whether to laugh out loud or feel sorry. Good news, bad news, good news.
Great story. And its terrific you can see the humor in it. Hope your cousin's mom is doing better (both problems).
Pardon the pun... but it looks like it's going to come out ok! So laugh along with the rest of us.
Mike (My Cousin's husband) is a real riot. Mom's coming around and says "SteveC will be proud of me, now I have a scar like he does!" and Mike says "No, it's a hemorrhoid pacemaker, they shoved it up your butt."
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:20:52pm |
re: #199 Escaped Hillbilly
You know, the Bible never really says, when Jesus ran the moneylenders out of the temple, where did they go?
They went into the sub-prime mortgage biz.
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:21:35pm |
re: #231 Racer X
Funny.
Once in a while our horrible medical system here in the U.S. gets something right eh? (I'm assuming this was in the U.S.?)
No, in Florida! *giggles*
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:22:23pm |
re: #234 Soap_Man
Hey Falcon! What's the good word? Beautiful day out today, eh?
(A sad state of affairs we live in, when 34 and sunny is considered to be beautiful.)
It was a good day. The snow melted and it was above freezing. For Chicago in January, that's a good day.
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jaunte Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:22:29pm |
re: #235 Van Helsing
That's an intersting site, and the proprietors: Image: g-jumbopoop.JPG
are obviously having a good time, but they really need to clean up the design.
It's probably hurting their business.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:23:28pm |
re: #233 iceweasel
There's a few people with national profiles where every once in a while, I'm struck with amazement all over again that they have any platform at all. They're two of them. Al Sharpton is another.
The list has been getting lots longer though. Pat Buchanan, Glenn Beck...on and on.
I think it has a lot to do with our long standing Vaudevillian traditions.
//
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:24:03pm |
re: #230 EmmmieG
heh.
By the way, did you see Bagua's #125? Fantastic and amazingly interesting post.
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jaunte Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:24:23pm |
re: #240 Cato the Elder
Raising little Credit Default Swap demons.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:24:44pm |
re: #244 Gus 802
I think it has a lot to do with our long standing Vaudevillian traditions.
//
Too bad we don't have more of a pantomime tradition. I'd be a lot happier if they'd all shut the hell up.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:25:49pm |
re: #167 Bagua
That's right, Pat is not quoting any Haitian scholars and he is interpreting Haitian beliefs from a Christian European point of view, as did the sources he is citing. Nor does he have any understanding of Haitian beliefs, history and rituals.
Part of our modernity and the advancement of academic thought has been to develop the ability to study non-European cultures as they see themselves and in the context of their beliefs, rather than from a Euro-centric perspective. Pat Robertson is relying on thinkers who predate this advance.
From my Catholic-influenced perspective, I would say that the Haitian people asked God and the Virgin for victory in their fight for freedom, and their prayers were answered.
Pat Robertson can kiss Haiti's collective underfed but free ass.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:26:19pm |
re: #240 Cato the Elder
That so true its almost not funny.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:26:58pm |
re: #247 iceweasel
Too bad we don't have more of a pantomime tradition. I'd be a lot happier if they'd all shut the hell up.
I'd pay for that.
Made a short list:
Sarah Palin's Concert Saloon
Rush Limbaugh's Minstrel Show
Glenn Beck's Freak Show
Sean Hannity's Dime Museum
Pat Buchanan's Literary Burlesque
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:26:59pm |
re: #233 iceweasel
There's a few people with national profiles where every once in a while, I'm struck with amazement all over again that they have any platform at all. They're two of them. Al Sharpton is another.
The list has been getting lots longer though. Pat Buchanan, Glenn Beck...on and on.
Yeah, they're on both sides of the aisle. I'm solidly on the right, but don't have time to listen to someone who will try to merge politics and religion. Huckabee runs me the wrong way, for example. I'll be polite--for now--and not mention any names on the left.
I will say, however, that a lot of people who vote democrat go to church on Sunday, so when people disparage the "religious right," it annoys me because there's a huge religious contingent on the left. I know first hand because a couple of my democrat friends won't golf with me on Sunday mornings.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:27:35pm |
re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist
Pat Robertson can kiss Haiti's collective underfed but free ass.
I miss rotating thread titles...
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:29:26pm |
re: #200 SteveC
My Cousin's mom got a pacemaker today! Everything went fine!
Problem was, she originally went into the hospital because her hemorrhoids were bleeding...
*FACEPALM*
Yeah...my dad got his diabetes diagnosed about like that...
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:30:02pm |
re: #251 rwmofo
I will say, however, that a lot of people who vote democrat go to church on Sunday, so when people disparage the "religious right," it annoys me because there's a huge religious contingent on the left. I know first hand because a couple of my democrat friends won't golf with me on Sunday mornings.
Of course there are religious people on the left. I take 'religious right' to refer very specifically to the so-con/theocon nexus that's been plugged into the GOP ever since Reagan essentially used them to forge a winning coalition.
Sadly, they're the ones in control of the GOP now.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:30:10pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:30:28pm |
re: #204 SteveC
I think they just went out. After all, Jesus said "You will not make my house a den of thieves!" That sounds a lot like "Get off my lawn!"
He didn't chase 'em down again, so wherever they went, He was cool.
"You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here..."
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:31:32pm |
re: #207 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I always figured the next temple...
The Jews never had but one at a time, but maybe there was a Roman one that needed some guys to make change.
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Soap_Man Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:32:03pm |
So I shall share a tale. Here in the once great state of Illinois, it seems like it should be a lock for a Republican to win the governorship. Right? I mean after all the Blagojevich stuff, should be a lock. That makes sense.
There is a field of seven in the GOP primary. A few are very good, very smart, with good resumes. Yet the man who is leading right now is a, well, an ass. A party insider. Why is he leading? Because he is a party insider who has the most money. I've have seen MANY ads for him, but not one for any of the other challengers. In fact, I saw an ad for him right here on LGF. Somehow, some way, he got the endorsement from the Chicago Tribune. (His father was once on the editorial board. Shhh...)
So he'll win the primary, but will fall flat on his face after that I'm sure. And so we in Illinois are going to be stuck with another Machine Dem. *sigh*
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:32:23pm |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:33:10pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:33:34pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:34:00pm |
re: #211 Soap_Man
I'm far from a biblical scholar, but was the only moment Jesus showed anger? My friend brings it up a lot, how little patience even the best of us shows for reckless greed.
This article lists some incidents. The one with the fig tree has always baffled me. What the hell is it supposed to do?
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:34:09pm |
re: #242 Dark_Falcon
It was a good day. The snow melted and it was above freezing. For Chicago in January, that's a good day.
So I was on the front row in the end zone in Tampa around '79-'80 when the Bears were in town. The "Honey Bears" were broken out into four groups and they rotated each quarter. They were about 10' away from me. I have no idea who won the game, but the Bears probably won because Payton was in his prime then. Any idea if the cheerleaders are still called the Honey Bears? For all I know, maybe we just called them that. What do I know?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:34:15pm |
re: #258 Soap_Man
So I shall share a tale. Here in the once great state of Illinois, it seems like it should be a lock for a Republican to win the governorship. Right? I mean after all the Blagojevich stuff, should be a lock. That makes sense.
There is a field of seven in the GOP primary. A few are very good, very smart, with good resumes. Yet the man who is leading right now is a, well, an ass. A party insider. Why is he leading? Because he is a party insider who has the most money. I've have seen MANY ads for him, but not one for any of the other challengers. In fact, I saw an ad for him right here on LGF. Somehow, some way, he got the endorsement from the Chicago Tribune. (His father was once on the editorial board. Shhh...)
So he'll win the primary, but will fall flat on his face after that I'm sure. And so we in Illinois are going to be stuck with another Machine Dem. *sigh*
Actually, Andy McKenna doesn't seem to be an ass. And his ads are good. I think he actually has a decent chance. Unlike Judy Barr Topeka, he's actually running ads and getting his message out.
I'll be back later to talk about it if you want.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:34:32pm |
re: #215 Racer X
Sliced avocado, sprinkled with sea salt and splashed with a bit of lime juice, makes an excellent dessert.
Yum!
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freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:35:05pm |
Well, after about 6.5 more hours of chugging along, Time Machine finished the initial backup of my external drives. Took about 10 hours total to do around 780GB of data... no bad throughput really. FW800 is capable enough, sorry to see that some companies want to dump it for eSata.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:35:07pm |
re: #263 rwmofo
So I was on the front row in the end zone in Tampa around '79-'80 when the Bears were in town. The "Honey Bears" were broken out into four groups and they rotated each quarter. They were about 10' away from me. I have no idea who won the game, but the Bears probably won because Payton was in his prime then. Any idea if the cheerleaders are still called the Honey Bears? For all I know, maybe we just called them that. What do I know?
The Bears don't have cheerleaders anymore. They got rid of them back in the 80's. BBL
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:36:04pm |
re: #230 EmmmieG
NOW I GET IT. It's crystal clear. I've been wondering how Pat Robertson has been getting his information about satanic pacts, because I have never seen some sort of "Satanic Pacts, 1556-2010" reference book in the library. Well, not any library I've been to.
He just asked Charles Taylor, who undoubtedly could go right to the source.
I see now.
"Hey, Satan."
"Hey, Bart."
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Soap_Man Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:36:08pm |
re: #264 Dark_Falcon
Actually, Andy McKenna doesn't seem to be an ass. And his ads are good. I think he actually has a decent chance. Unlike Judy Barr Topeka, he's actually running ads and getting his message out.
I'll be back later to talk about it if you want.
I won't be around later. Going to bed soon. But "ass" may be an overstatement, I'll admit. I just think that there are much better candidates there. Schillerstrom and Dillard come to mind. It's frustrating to me.
This will go one for some time, so I'm sure we can talk about it later.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:36:23pm |
re: #261 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I thought that was part of an ad.
It says "Whip it out". What would it be advertising?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:37:04pm |
re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist
"Hey, Satan."
"Hey, Bart."
The frogurt is also cursed...but it comes with a free topping!
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:37:51pm |
Finally, Her Royal Stoutness fast asleep, Little Man at least in bed pretending to sleep, better half asleep. And I suddenly realize that I am the last one awake and the only who has to get up in the morning....where is the justice in that?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:37:53pm |
re: #270 MandyManners
It says "Whip it out". What would it be advertising?
I'm looking at the top right hand column... not seeing it.
I'm sure I'm just a dork. Thanks. I'll find it, now I know to look for it.
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:38:09pm |
re: #254 iceweasel
Of course there are religious people on the left. I take 'religious right' to refer very specifically to the so-con/theocon nexus that's been plugged into the GOP ever since Reagan essentially used them to forge a winning coalition.
Sadly, they're the ones in control of the GOP now.
I don't agree with that, but I bet you don't agree with some things I believe. No loss of sleep either direction.
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Racer X Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:38:29pm |
Guy Has Glasses Tattooed On His Face
So, thanks for coming in today for the interview Mr. Jones. Tell me about your. . . . well, have a nice day then.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:38:40pm |
re: #271 Mad Al-Jaffee
upding for "the frogurt is also cursed". I use that line with friends and none of them get it. :(
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:39:07pm |
re: #275 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's as old as parenthood.
True enough, and sleep is for the week anyway = )
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:39:22pm |
re: #254 iceweasel
Of course there are religious people on the left. I take 'religious right' to refer very specifically to the so-con/theocon nexus that's been plugged into the GOP ever since Reagan essentially used them to forge a winning coalition.
Sadly, they're the ones in control of the GOP now.
Yeah. If you're just a conservative who goes to church, you don't count as 'the religious right'. It's a specific political term.
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:39:44pm |
re: #267 Dark_Falcon
The Bears don't have cheerleaders anymore. They got rid of them back in the 80's. BBL
Bummer, dude.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:39:56pm |
Anybody else getting disgusted by the Disaster Porn all over the 'net?
Oh, good evening, Lizards. Hope you all are well.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:40:23pm |
re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm looking at the top right hand column... not seeing it.
I'm sure I'm just a dork. Thanks. I'll find it, now I know to look for it.
It's at the very tippy top.
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MandyManners Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:40:52pm |
re: #281 austin_blue
Anybody else getting disgusted by the Disaster Porn all over the 'net?
Oh, good evening, Lizards. Hope you all are well.
I had to quit looking.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:41:00pm |
re: #277 oaktree
upding for "the frogurt is also cursed". I use that line with friends and none of them get it. :(
Classic Simpsons, from a time long ago when The Simpsons was still funny.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:41:10pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:41:44pm |
re: #274 rwmofo
I don't agree with that, but I bet you don't agree with some things I believe. No loss of sleep either direction.
No prob. It's my explanation for a lot of the craziness we see breaking out on the right and in the GOP at the moment. Not all of it, but some of it.
Have an upding anyway for the heck of it. :)
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:41:54pm |
re: #285 austin_blue
The Terrible Infant Speaks?
Mine says "we do not work on the basis of assumptions"
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Soap_Man Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:42:02pm |
re: #280 rwmofo
Bummer, dude.
Meh. I was always confused by cheerleaders in cold weather cities. They are out there wearing six layers of clothes. Takes some of the fun out of it. Wait, not "some of the fun," I was looking for "all of the fun."
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freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:42:45pm |
re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist
This article lists some incidents. The one with the fig tree has always baffled me. What the hell is it supposed to do?
Well... it is supposed to be a story. Even if true, it appears that Jesus intended it to be what we call a "teaching moment".
Down through history, some Christians have interpreted this passage to simply be this: the fig tree represents Israel. As shown in the following sentences, while in the Temple Jesus saw no good fruit, just "leaves" (pretension of bearing fruit.) Thus the cursing of the fig tree becomes the parable for the destruction of Israel.
Now, Ficus is a very large genus of fruit bearing trees. They are an important fruit source for primates - I know I love 'em.
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:43:40pm |
re: #272 srb1976
Finally, Her Royal Stoutness fast asleep, Little Man at least in bed pretending to sleep, better half asleep. And I suddenly realize that I am the last one awake and the only who has to get up in the morning...where is the justice in that?
You'll get a certain amount of justice when they're 10-17 (ballpark). Your kids will let you know that you embarrassed them (after the fact), then you will start to plan ahead. It's a new-found sport. Paybacks.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:44:29pm |
re: #289 freetoken
Well... it is supposed to be a story. Even if true, it appears that Jesus intended it to be what we call a "teaching moment".
Down through history, some Christians have interpreted this passage to simply be this: the fig tree represents Israel. As shown in the following sentences, while in the Temple Jesus saw no good fruit, just "leaves" (pretension of bearing fruit.) Thus the cursing of the fig tree becomes the parable for the destruction of Israel.
Now, Ficus is a very large genus of fruit bearing trees. They are an important fruit source for primates - I know I love 'em.
But why is it specified that it is not the season for figs? If it's not the season for figs, you ain't gonna get figs.
/Thanks, that's helpful.
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mich-again Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:44:33pm |
That was a great song by John Mayer. Hadn't heard that one before.
I have a sweetheart of a 12 yo daughter and it drives my wife batty when I stick up for her during the mommy-daughter kerfuffles.
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Racer X Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:44:36pm |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:44:47pm |
re: #289 freetoken
Iron Chef America had a re-run of Battle: Fig on tonight. :)
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Kruk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:45:21pm |
re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah...my dad got his diabetes diagnosed about like that...
My dad went into a hospital for a angiogram a few years back, and they found the blockages were so bad he needed surgery urgently. He had a triple bypass within days. I'm guessing the death panel was on holiday that week.
/
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:45:36pm |
re: #267 Dark_Falcon
The Bears don't have cheerleaders anymore. They got rid of them back in the 80's. BBL
That's depressing.
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:46:12pm |
re: #290 rwmofo
You'll get a certain amount of justice when they're 10-17 (ballpark). Your kids will let you know that you embarrassed them (after the fact), then you will start to plan ahead. It's a new-found sport. Paybacks.
We're currently collecting those valuable "blackmail" photos for when they start dating = )
The video of the the 2 year old dancing in the living room singin "Go baby, Go baby, Shake booty, it's birthday" will surely be worth something......
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:46:16pm |
re: #276 Racer X
Guy Has Glasses Tattooed On His Face
[Video]So, thanks for coming in today for the interview Mr. Jones. Tell me about your. . . . well, have a nice day then.
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Kruk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:46:54pm |
re: #271 Mad Al-Jaffee
The frogurt is also cursed...but it comes with a free topping!
The topping contains potassium benzoate....
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:48:11pm |
re: #292 mich-again
That was a great song by John Mayer. Hadn't heard that one before.
I have a sweetheart of a 12 yo daughter and it drives my wife batty when I stick up for her during the mommy-daughter kerfuffles.
Woah. My mom used to throw shoes and cups and stuff when my dad did that for my little sister...and in their case she was right. Gotta be careful about the mommy-daddy stuff, kids catch on quick and will use it.
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Soap_Man Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:48:13pm |
re: #299 Kruk
The topping contains potassium benzoate...
(Long pause) "That's bad." "(pause) Can I go now?"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:48:15pm |
Goodnight my friends.
Fathers be good to your daughters
Daughters will love like you do
Girls become lovers who turn into mothers
So mothers be good to your daughters too
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:50:04pm |
re: #286 iceweasel
No prob. It's my explanation for a lot of the craziness we see breaking out on the right and in the GOP at the moment. Not all of it, but some of it.
Have an upding anyway for the heck of it. :)
Back at 'ya. I'm feeling kinda laid-back right now. Not really in the mood to spar.
However, two of my comments from last night made the bottom 10 earlier tonight. They've been pushed off since. Heh. Objective met. Oh, some of my down-dingers are lurking, so thanks for getting me up on the pedestal.
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Bagua Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:50:52pm |
re: #276 Racer X
Guy Has Glasses Tattooed On His Face
So, thanks for coming in today for the interview Mr. Jones. Tell me about your. . . . well, have a nice day then.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:50:58pm |
re: #293 Racer X
That looks cool, but it needs more laser battles and explosions.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:51:34pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:52:57pm |
Meanwhile, on Rapture Ready:
I agree dolphins are intelligent and special. However, I think this is paving the way for "aliens" or "nephilim" to be treated equal to humans.
Ladies and gentlemen, someone who worries too much.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:53:25pm |
Good news?
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:53:32pm |
re: #303 rwmofo
Back at 'ya. I'm feeling kinda laid-back right now. Not really in the mood to spar.
However, two of my comments from last night made the bottom 10 earlier tonight. They've been pushed off since. Heh. Objective met. Oh, some of my down-dingers are lurking, so thanks for getting me up on the pedestal.
Just curious, if you only hand out up-dings without commenting, are you a stealth dinger?
I mostly don't comment while I'm at work, but I do sometimes up-ding the good stuff = )
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:53:40pm |
re: #292 mich-again
That was a great song by John Mayer. Hadn't heard that one before.
I have a sweetheart of a 12 yo daughter and it drives my wife batty when I stick up for her during the mommy-daughter kerfuffles.
Heh. Why do I get the feeling that your wife sees some occasions when the girls win 2-1?
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Soap_Man Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:54:00pm |
Did you guys and gals see this? WSJ is reporting that Obama will write the cover story on Haiti for the coming issue of Newsweek.
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Racer X Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:54:03pm |
re: #306 Escaped Hillbilly
What the h. is he trying to tell people? That he's a cool nerd? He looks like a moron.
I saw a chick today with a big 'ol pair of lips tattooed on her neck - like a kiss mark. I mean huge. And blue. Hideous.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:54:27pm |
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:54:36pm |
re: #276 Racer X
Guy Has Glasses Tattooed On His Face
[Video]So, thanks for coming in today for the interview Mr. Jones. Tell me about your. . . . well, have a nice day then.
Wow. Stupid white people on parade.
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Bagua Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:54:38pm |
re: #309 srb1976
Just curious, if you only hand out up-dings without commenting, are you a stealth dinger?
I mostly don't comment while I'm at work, but I do sometimes up-ding the good stuff = )
It is always permitted to upding Bagua.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:54:39pm |
re: #307 SanFranciscoZionist
Jim Norton said on Red Eye recently, something like "Yeah, dolphins are very intelligent animals, but the smartest dolphin is still stupider than Paris Hilton."
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:55:04pm |
re: #312 Racer X
Imagine how it will look when she's 80!
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:55:13pm |
re: #306 Escaped Hillbilly
What the h. is he trying to tell people? That he's a cool nerd? He looks like a moron.
Yeah. How to ruin a perfectly good face. If he did get payed by Ray-Ban I doubt it was for much money. If he keeps it he's going to look even dumber when he gets older.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:55:16pm |
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freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:55:17pm |
re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist
But why is it specified that it is not the season for figs? If it's not the season for figs, you ain't gonna get figs.
That alone is problematic, for according to the Wikipedia articles on the two most important and common types of figs in that part of the world:
The common fig bears two or three times a year, and the "Sycamore fig" bears year round.
So it seems that one would have a decent chance of finding a fig in fruit in that area, if one really wanted to.
I guess a Calvinist would say the choice of the phrase "for it was not the season for figs" is simply to demonstrate the sovereignty of God, that is, God can damn anyone he wants to without the damn-ee having a choice in the matter.
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:56:07pm |
re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist
This article lists some incidents. The one with the fig tree has always baffled me. What the hell is it supposed to do?
It's a reprise of an old theme I like to call "God gets cranky in the desert." That fig tree was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and that's how Jesus rolls when he's hungry and has moneychangers to gank.
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:56:20pm |
re: #312 Racer X
I saw a chick today with a big 'ol pair of lips tattooed on her neck - like a kiss mark. I mean huge. And blue. Hideous.
That's better than the woman who came in the museum once. Low cut dress, low enough to see the EYES tattooed on the tops of her boobs.
The eyes of Playtex are upon you....
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Kruk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:56:30pm |
re: #307 SanFranciscoZionist
Meanwhile, on Rapture Ready:
Ladies and gentlemen, someone who worries too much.
What morons. They should realise that (a) the Nephilim *are* aliens, (b) they won't be here for another 600 years, and (c) they won't give a frack what we think of their rights.
[Link: wingcommander.wikia.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:57:01pm |
re: #316 Mad Al-Jaffee
Jim Norton said on Red Eye recently, something like "Yeah, dolphins are very intelligent animals, but the smartest dolphin is still stupider than Paris Hilton."
I am not totally convinced of that.
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mich-again Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:57:02pm |
re: #300 Escaped Hillbilly
True, but there are times when dad can help defuse things when little trifles blow up. But you gotta pick your spots. Go to that well too often and things tend to start flying at you.
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:57:10pm |
re: #316 Mad Al-Jaffee
Jim Norton said on Red Eye recently, something like "Yeah, dolphins are very intelligent animals, but the smartest dolphin is still stupider than Paris Hilton."
He's giving Paris too much credit.
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Racer X Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:57:15pm |
re: #317 Escaped Hillbilly
Imagine how it will look when she's 80!
It looks like crap now. I can only imagine how it will look when she's 30.
I did a lot of stupid shit when I was young, but I'm glad I was never that fucking stupid to get a hideous tattoo on my head or neck where everyone could see how stupid I am.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:57:58pm |
re: #315 Bagua
It is always permitted to upding Bagua.
You scamp!
More source material on your earlier post:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Haitian Voudon is fascinating. Similar in interesting ways to Mexican Santeria.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:58:06pm |
re: #320 freetoken
That alone is problematic, for according to the Wikipedia articles on the two most important and common types of figs in that part of the world:
The common fig bears two or three times a year, and the "Sycamore fig" bears year round.So it seems that one would have a decent chance of finding a fig in fruit in that area, if one really wanted to.
I guess a Calvinist would say the choice of the phrase "for it was not the season for figs" is simply to demonstrate the sovereignty of God, that is, God can damn anyone he wants to without the damn-ee having a choice in the matter.
Yeah, but I have issues with predestination.
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:58:41pm |
re: #327 Racer X
It looks like crap now. I can only imagine how it will look when she's 30.
I did a lot of stupid shit when I was young, but I'm glad I was never that fucking stupid to get a hideous tattoo on my head or neck where everyone could see how stupid I am.
And that's why both of mine are just below hip level....even in shorts no one sees them.....they were both more for me than anyone else anyway = )
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:58:48pm |
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Bagua Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:59:11pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:59:32pm |
re: #315 Bagua
It is always permitted to upding Bagua.
I consider it a categorical imperative to upding all of Bagua's third-person posts.
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:59:35pm |
re: #309 srb1976
Just curious, if you only hand out up-dings without commenting, are you a stealth dinger?
I mostly don't comment while I'm at work, but I do sometimes up-ding the good stuff = )
Sometimes when I first show up, I'll cycle through the latest comments to see what's happening and have up-dinged and thrown rocks before making a total nuisance of myself.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:59:41pm |
re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, but I have issues with predestination.
Probably good that you're not a fig tree then...
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 8:59:54pm |
re: #322 SteveC
That's better than the woman who came in the museum once. Low cut dress, low enough to see the EYES tattooed on the tops of her boobs.
The eyes of Playtex are upon you...
Maybe she was just trying to get men to make eye contact every now and then?
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:00:18pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:01:30pm |
re: #323 Kruk
What morons. They should realise that (a) the Nephilim *are* aliens, (b) they won't be here for another 600 years, and (c) they won't give a frack what we think of their rights.
[Link: wingcommander.wikia.com...]
I've been intrigued to note, as I do some reading on the Web, how fascinated some fundamentalist Christians appear to be with the Nephilim. They're mentioned twice in the Bible, and don't do anything very dramatic. Jesus doesn't comment on them at all. Why all the fuss?
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rwmofo Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:01:46pm |
re: #312 Racer X
I saw a chick today with a big 'ol pair of lips tattooed on her neck - like a kiss mark. I mean huge. And blue. Hideous.
Ahhh, youth. It doesn't really last forever does it? That tattoo will, though.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:01:55pm |
re: #338 Escaped Hillbilly
Maybe she was just trying to get men to make eye contact every now and then?
"Up here, Michael, up here!"
-Kitty, Arrested Development
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:02:20pm |
re: #338 Escaped Hillbilly
Maybe she was just trying to get men to make eye contact every now and then?
They weren't that big. I wouldn't have thought twice except for the fact they were staring at me.
//
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Kruk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:02:27pm |
re: #338 Escaped Hillbilly
Maybe she was just trying to get men to make eye contact every now and then?
Ha! Seriously, I can never resist reading messages on T-shirts, even if it's at boob height. I wonder sometimes how many of those women think I'm just leering. Not that I would ever do that. Ahem.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:02:42pm |
re: #327 Racer X
It looks like crap now. I can only imagine how it will look when she's 30.
I did a lot of stupid shit when I was young, but I'm glad I was never that fucking stupid to get a hideous tattoo on my head or neck where everyone could see how stupid I am.
I had a lot of trouble a couple years ago with students who kept getting their girls' names put on them.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:02:59pm |
re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist
I've been intrigued to note, as I do some reading on the Web, how fascinated some fundamentalist Christians appear to be with the Nephilim. They're mentioned twice in the Bible, and don't do anything very dramatic. Jesus doesn't comment on them at all. Why all the fuss?
Aliens who bred demi-gods? What's not to like?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:03:26pm |
re: #328 austin_blue
You scamp!
More source material on your earlier post:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Haitian Voudon is fascinating. Similar in interesting ways to Mexican Santeria.
It's really interesting stuff.
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mich-again Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:03:33pm |
re: #310 rwmofo
Heh. Why do I get the feeling that your wife sees some occasions when the girls win 2-1?
Occasionally if I let em.
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:03:50pm |
re: #338 Escaped Hillbilly
Maybe she was just trying to get men to make eye contact every now and then?
Of course, the eye contact thing does help seperate the keepers from the rest of the batch.....if he can tell you what color your eyes are, without having to stop and check.....usually worth a second look = )
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:03:52pm |
re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist
Because they're Bad Ass!
People like weird mysterious supernatural stuff. Especially in the bible, because everything in the bible is true!
PS: I'm depressed that theres a wing commander wiki. Thats just wrong.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:04:01pm |
re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist
I've been intrigued to note, as I do some reading on the Web, how fascinated some fundamentalist Christians appear to be with the Nephilim. They're mentioned twice in the Bible, and don't do anything very dramatic. Jesus doesn't comment on them at all. Why all the fuss?
They play some big role in Mormon theology, don't they?
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:04:22pm |
re: #307 SanFranciscoZionist
Meanwhile, on Rapture Ready:
Ladies and gentlemen, someone who worries too much.
Aliens shouldn't receive equal rights? Ok, maybe Ripley's Alien.. but Mr. Spock? ET? Dr. Who? Possibly they should be granted more rights, since they will almost certainly have to come to us and will be therefore at least technologically more advanced.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:04:43pm |
re: #351 iceweasel
They play some big role in Mormon theology, don't they?
They play a big role in 80's goth culture in England as well. 8-)
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:04:50pm |
I once met a tattoo artist at a party who told me a guy came in and demanded a tattoo that said "Simplify" It was because he was joining the Marines and that's what he thought their motto was.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:05:13pm |
re: #351 iceweasel
Alot of things play a role in Mormon theology. They got all the cool stuff out of the Bible :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:05:21pm |
re: #342 Mad Al-Jaffee
"Up here, Michael, up here!"
-Kitty, Arrested Development
Woman: "My face is up here."
Homer Simpson: "I've made my choice!"
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:05:43pm |
re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist
I had a lot of trouble a couple years ago with students who kept getting their girls' names put on them.
Amy: "Who's Marie?"
Marie: "Who's Jane?"
Jane: "Who's Carla?"
Carla: "Who's Janice?"
Janice: "Who's Fred?"
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:06:00pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:06:05pm |
re: #349 srb1976
Of course, the eye contact thing does help seperate the keepers from the rest of the batch...if he can tell you what color your eyes are, without having to stop and check...usually worth a second look = )
Don't get me started on the fake nipples that some women wear precisely to, uh, make a point.
Ok, whatever, but don't get angry if people aren't making eye contact then.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:06:13pm |
re: #352 Escaped Hillbilly
Aliens shouldn't receive equal rights? Ok, maybe Ripley's Alien.. but Mr. Spock? ET? Dr. Who? Possibly they should be granted more rights, since they will almost certainly have to come to us and will be therefore at least technologically more advanced.
The Doctor is a Time Lord. Rights? Pfft. He *takes* what he wants.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:07:25pm |
re: #351 iceweasel
They play some big role in Mormon theology, don't they?
I don't know. I actually have "Mormonism for Dummies" on my Amazon order list. I know very, very little about the theology.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:07:27pm |
re: #359 iceweasel
I have a hard time accepting that those exist, but am afraid to look 'em up >
... oh who am I kidding?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:07:41pm |
re: #352 Escaped Hillbilly
Perhaps it would be more important to worry about what rights the aliens decide we are to receive.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:07:56pm |
re: #355 windsagio
Alot of things play a role in Mormon theology. They got all the cool stuff out of the Bible :)
Myth is myth, Mormon, Christian... all the same...
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:08:01pm |
re: #359 iceweasel
Don't get me started on the fake nipples that some women wear precisely to, uh, make a point.
Ok, whatever, but don't get angry if people aren't making eye contact then.
If you try to draw attention to something, you can hardly get upset if you succeed.....
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:08:07pm |
re: #354 Mad Al-Jaffee
I once met a tattoo artist at a party who told me a guy came in and demanded a tattoo that said "Simplify" It was because he was joining the Marines and that's what he thought their motto was.
Actually, not a bad motto.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:08:31pm |
re: #363 oaktree
Pff didn't you watch Independance Day? We can take as much as they send at us!!
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:08:51pm |
re: #364 Walter L. Newton
now now, its rude to call people religion 'myth' >>
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:09:23pm |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:09:25pm |
re: #367 windsagio
We were damn lucky their mothership ran a version of Windows.
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Racer X Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:09:40pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:09:56pm |
re: #357 SteveC
Amy: "Who's Marie?"
Marie: "Who's Jane?"
Jane: "Who's Carla?"
Carla: "Who's Janice?"
Janice: "Who's Fred?"
I kept telling the boys, just don't do it, unless the girl's name is Maria, and after the breakup you can just say the tattoo honors the Virgin.
They ignored me. They also ignored me when I told them that they should not be getting their tats from Josue's uncle in his garage.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:10:10pm |
re: #371 oaktree
Think of that next time you wanna make fun of Bill Gates :)
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:10:12pm |
re: #363 oaktree
Perhaps it would be more important to worry about what rights the aliens decide we are to receive.
If you want to get the pants scared off ya, read Alice Sheldon's The Screwfly Solution.
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:10:33pm |
re: #371 oaktree
We were damn lucky their mothership ran a version of Windows.
We shouda just waited. It would have crashed itself.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:10:59pm |
re: #364 Walter L. Newton
Myth is myth, Mormon, Christian... all the same...
Hardly. Haven't you heard the joke about prayer in school?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:11:36pm |
re: #376 SteveC
We shouda just waited. It would have crashed itself.
Captain, I have the blue screen of death down here.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:11:56pm |
re: #377 SanFranciscoZionist
Hardly. Haven't you heard the joke about prayer in school?
No, tell me?
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:11:57pm |
re: #354 Mad Al-Jaffee
I once met a tattoo artist at a party who told me a guy came in and demanded a tattoo that said "Simplify" It was because he was joining the Marines and that's what he thought their motto was.
There's a guy in our unit who got a tattoo of the Army seal that covered most of his back...then 6 mo later got kicked out. Bet he wishes he could get his money back.
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:12:09pm |
re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist
I kept telling the boys, just don't do it, unless the girl's name is Maria, and after the breakup you can just say the tattoo honors the Virgin.
They ignored me. They also ignored me when I told them that they should not be getting their tats from Josue's uncle in his garage.
It's frustrating to be ignored. It's even more frustrating to be right and ignored!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:12:38pm |
re: #375 austin_blue
I've read it. Even came across a whole anthology of "Last Man on Earth" stories that included aliens offing the human race in a number of ways.
I was also amused when I eventually started coming across the interpretations of Clarke's _Childhood's End_ that portrayed the final outcome as something quite a bit darker than want Clarke probably intended.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:12:43pm |
re: #376 SteveC
We shouda just waited. It would have crashed itself.
That's funny! All of the alien ships freezing into Blue Screens of Death.....
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:13:03pm |
re: #359 iceweasel
Don't get me started on the fake nipples that some women wear precisely to, uh, make a point.
Ok, whatever, but don't get angry if people aren't making eye contact then.
I believe it was Jennifer Lopez whose work with a personal nipple tweaker prior to a video shoot got caught on camera and posted on the intarwebs
Gotta get 'em hard before the cameras roll.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:13:16pm |
NEPHITES
In the Book of Mormon, the Nephites (BoM Arabic نافيين Nāfiyyīn) are a people descended from Nephi, a prophet who traveled with his family from Jerusalem to the Western Hemisphere circa 600 B.C. at the urging of God. The Nephites, initially a righteous people, eventually fell into wickedness, and they were utterly destroyed by their rivals the Lamanites circa A.D. 400.
Most members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe that the Nephites were a historic people. However, most mainstream archeologists argue that there is currently no compelling no evidence that this race ever existed. The Mormon university Brigham Young University does archeological research in this area, specifically FARMS organization.
FROM: [Link: www.nationmaster.com...]
Record of the Nephites was the manuscript name of the Book of Mormon The Book of Mormon is a sacred text of Mormonism first published in Palmyra, New York, USA, in May 1830 by Joseph Smith, Jr. According to the title page, Smith was the book's translator, and the author was a Native American prophet named Mormon, who purportedly compiled the book in the 4th century A.D. Other authorship theories propose that the book was an original or derivative work of fiction by Joseph Smith or one of his associates.
It is also called The Nephite Record, and The Stick of Joseph, depending on who published it. Stick of Joseph is a reference to the verses in Ezekiel This article is about the prophet Ezekiel, for the character in Arthur Miller's play, The Crucible, see Ezekiel Cheever. Ezekiel (יחזקאל "God will strengthen", Standard Hebrew Yəezqel, Tiberian Hebrew Yəezqêl) was a prophet in the Hebrew Bible, commonly regarded as the author of the biblical Book of Ezekiel. In the Quran he is known as Dhul-Kifl, although some there are some who say that Dhul-Kifl is another person than Ezekiel.
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Kruk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:13:18pm |
re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist
I had a lot of trouble a couple years ago with students who kept getting their girls' names put on them.
Just tell them that nothing will stop them from scoring like the girl seeing some other female's name as the guy is undressing....
Yeah, yeah. I know at that age they think their love will last forever. It's kinda sweet.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:13:35pm |
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:13:37pm |
re: #378 Walter L. Newton
Captain, I have the blue screen of death down here.
PEACE! Nuttin' but love to ya!... They haven't got a clue what's fixing to hit them.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:13:39pm |
re: #379 Walter L. Newton
No, tell me?
Dear John,
As you know, We've been working real hard in our town to get prayer back in our schools. Finally, the school board approved a plan of teacher-led prayer with the children participating at their own option. Children not wishing to participate were to be allowed to stand out in the hallway during prayer time. We hoped someone would sue us so we could go all the way to the Supreme Court and get the old devil-inspired ruling reversed.
Naturally, we were all excited by the school board action. As you know, our own little Billy (not so little, any more though) is now in the second grade. Of course, Margaret and I explained to him no matter what the other kids did, he was going to stay in the classroom and participate.
After the first day of school, I asked him "How did the prayer time go?"
"Fine."
"Did many kids go out into the hallway?"
"Two".
"Excellent. How did you like your teacher's prayer?"
"It was different, Dad. Real different from the way you pray."
"Oh? Like how?"
"She said, 'Hail Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners...'"
The next day I talked with the principal. I politely explained I wasn't prejudiced against Catholics but I would appreciate Billy bein transferred to a non-Catholic teacher. The principal said it would be done right away.
At supper that evening I asked Billy to say the blessings. He slipped out of his chair, sat cross- legged, closed his eyes, raised his hand palms up in the air and began to hum.
You'd better believe I was at the principal's office at eight o'clock the next morning. "Look," I said. 'I don't really know much about these Transcendental Meditationists, but I would feel a lot more comfortable If you could move Billy to a room where the teacher practices an older, more established religion."
That afternoon I met Billy as soon as he walked in the door after school.
"I don't think you're going to like Mrs. Nakasone's prayer either, Dad."
"Out with it."
"She kept chanting Namu Amida Butsu..."
The following morning I was waiting for the principal in the school parking lot. "Look, I don't want my son praying to the Eternal Spirit of whatever to Buddha. I want him to have a teacher who prays in Jesus' name!"
"What about Bertha Smith?"
"Excellent."
I could hardly wait to hear about Mrs. Smith's prayer. I was standing on the front steps of the school when the final bell rang.
"Well?" I asked Billy as we walked towards the car.
"Okay."
"Okay what?"
"Mrs. Smith asked God to bless us and ended her prayer in Jesus' name, amen just like you."
I breathed a sigh of relief. "Now we're getting some place."
"She even taught us a verse of scripture about prayer," said Billy.
I beamed. "Wonderful. What was the verse?"
"Lets see..." he mused for a moment. "And behold, they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God."
We had reached the car. "Fantastic," I said reaching for the door handle. Then paused. I couldn't place the scripture. "Billy, did Mrs. Smith say what book that verse was from?"
"Third Nephi, chapter 19, verse 18."
"Nephi what?"
"Nephi," he said. "It's in the Book of Mormon.
The school board doesn't meet for a month. I've given Billy very definite instructions that at prayer time each day he's to go out into the hallway. I plan to be at that board meeting. If they don't do something about this situation, I'll sue. I'll take it all the way to the Supreme Court if I have to. I don't need schools or anybody else teaching my son about religion. We can take care of that ourselves at home and at church, thank you very much.
Best Wishes Always,
Dan
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:14:03pm |
re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know. I actually have "Mormonism for Dummies" on my Amazon order list. I know very, very little about the theology.
I dare you to read that sitting in Temple Square in Salt Lake City. :D
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Racer X Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:14:31pm |
If you believe in Jesus, honk!
If you want to meet him, keep texting.
- Bumper sticker I saw today.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:15:17pm |
re: #374 windsagio
Think of that next time you wanna make fun of Bill Gates :)
Bill Gates is soo obviously one of them, duh.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:15:32pm |
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:15:58pm |
re: #393 Escaped Hillbilly
well yeah! The success of MS is the only thing keeping the invasion at bay.
They figure, "Why bother? We're already in charge!"
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The Shadow Do Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:16:42pm |
re: #354 Mad Al-Jaffee
I once met a tattoo artist at a party who told me a guy came in and demanded a tattoo that said "Simplify" It was because he was joining the Marines and that's what he thought their motto was.
On the subject of confusing tattoos -
A certain fellow, a rather diminutive truck driver I'm told, was made much fun of, though ever nonplussed, for the fact that he had the word "shorty" tattood on his, er, uh ...member.
It was only later learned that, when excited, the full transcription read...
Shorty's Truckstop, Chattanooga, Tennessee.
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Kruk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:17:09pm |
re: #392 Racer X
- Bumper sticker I saw today.
Another good one:
I hope you're as close to Jesus as you are to my bumper.
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bloodnok Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:17:37pm |
And now...the other song recorded in 1968 with 3 Beatles plus Eric Clapton (and it's not While My Guitar Gently Weeps).
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:17:56pm |
re: #391 WindUpBird
I dare you to read that sitting in Temple Square in Salt Lake City. :D
Well, if I were there, I could ask people questions! I wouldn't need the book.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:18:25pm |
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Kruk Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:19:17pm |
re: #382 oaktree
I've read it. Even came across a whole anthology of "Last Man on Earth" stories that included aliens offing the human race in a number of ways.
.
We won't have to wait for the aliens to do it. Ladies and gentlemen, I regret to inform you that Skynet is now online.
[Link: www.skynet.com.my...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:20:08pm |
re: #386 Walter L. Newton
NEPHITES
In the Book of Mormon, the Nephites (BoM Arabic نافيين Nāfiyyīn) are a people descended from Nephi, a prophet who traveled with his family from Jerusalem to the Western Hemisphere circa 600 B.C. at the urging of God. The Nephites, initially a righteous people, eventually fell into wickedness, and they were utterly destroyed by their rivals the Lamanites circa A.D. 400.
Thanks. Knew you'd have the scoop.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:20:59pm |
re: #403 iceweasel
I was half expecting an invocation of Gozer to be to blame.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:21:41pm |
re: #385 Racer X
There is nothig you can post that some some young idiot in my unit hasn't topped. This one was in my Platoon even, took a pic of his Johnson being measured by a buddy, sent it to a cashier at the commissary thinking she would be impressed by its size. Instead, she thought he was gay and was suggesting a threesome. She showed it to another cashier who just happened to be the wife of an officer...long story short, everyone, including the Commander, saw this kid's unit in the hand of another guy. They passed on punishing him. Figured the humiliation was enough.
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:21:48pm |
re: #402 Kruk
We won't have to wait for the aliens to do it. Ladies and gentlemen, I regret to inform you that Skynet is now online.
[Link: www.skynet.com.my...]
We're screwed. And a guy in a panel van is going to deliver our fate.
Hey.... what if we refuse to sign for it?
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:22:03pm |
re: #404 oaktree
I was half expecting an invocation of Gozer to be to blame.
There is no Dana, only Zool.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:22:12pm |
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srb1976 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:24:30pm |
Ok.....gotta get up in a few short hours.....this dayshift stuff makes scheduling a bit easier, but mornings still suck!
Night folks!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:26:37pm |
Missed that conversation, the answer Walter gave for Nephites is fine, but simplified.
I have no idea what a Nephilim is, though.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:27:28pm |
re: #412 EmmmieG
In the OT, they're giants, children of angels who slept with human women... or thereabouts.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:27:38pm |
re: #408 Walter L. Newton
I had the poop... snide little atheist I am.
Heh-- Well, I'm one of those myself.
I've only read that Jon Krakauer book on the LDS, Under the Banner of Heaven, and I must admit I really haven't retained much of it. Also it focussed on the fringe-y, breakaway sections of Mormon theology, given its specific topic (two murders committed by ex-LDS brothers, who had developed their own extremely warped breakaway reading of Mormonism.)
Anyway, given my unfamiliarity with genuine Mormon theology in the first place, I have difficulty retaining what bits are part of the LDS, and which are parts of breakaway sects.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:28:09pm |
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SteveC Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:28:36pm |
DAMN! You can buy anything online!
Conan lists The Tonight Show for sale on Craigslist
Titled “4 SALE: BARELY-USED LATE NIGHT TALK SHOW,” Conan’s looking for your best offer, but also “willing to trade for Coldplay tickets.”
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:28:55pm |
re: #413 windsagio
In the OT, they're giants, children of angels who slept with human women... or thereabouts.
Did Madeleine L'Engle have them in one of her books?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:29:03pm |
re: #412 EmmmieG
Missed that conversation, the answer Walter gave for Nephites is fine, but simplified.
I have no idea what a Nephilim is, though.
Well, how about this... (really getting into crazy land now)...
Nefilim - from 'Children of the Matrix' page 71 by David Icke
"The term Nefilim can be translated as "Those Who Descended" or "Those Who Fell From The Heavens". The American researcher David Sielaff emphasizes that the Nefilim or Nephilim are not the sons of the gods (beni ha-Elohim), but the offspring of the interbreeding between the extraterrestrials the Bible calls the Elohim and the daughters of men. The Illuminati bloodlines that rule the world today, therefore, are the Nefilim, the extraterrestrial-human hybrids. They were also known in ancient times as the Rephaim, Emim, Zazummim, and Anakim, all very tall or "giant" people in those days. The biblical Goliath was a Rephaim, and giant in Hebrew is repha. This theme of giants is a constant one. Cave paintings found in places like Japan, South America, and the Sahara Desert, depict giant people with round heads towering over human hunters. Bones of giant people betwe4en 8 and 12 feet tall have been found in mounds in Minnesota and other locations. The Delaware Indians speak of a race of giants who once lived east of the Mississippi in enormous cities and the same descriptions of giants in ancient legends and lore can be found everywhere. Scores of giant red-haired mummies were discovered in a cave near Lovelock in Nevaa and some were seven feet tall. The Piute Indian include tales of red-haired giants who acted like vampires, and the giant Nefilim were associated with cannibalism and blood drinking - just like the Illuminati bloodlines are today. Most accounts say that these giants were unfriendly, even hostile, to the rest of the population. Often associated with these giants were unfriendly, even craft that sound very much like the 'flying saucers' of modern UFO accounts. Genesis tells us that the sons of the gods married the daughters of men before the flood, as well as afterwards and Numbers calls the Nehilim, the sons of Anak, or descendants of the Anakim (Annunnaki)
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:30:51pm |
re: #417 EmmmieG
I think so, its been so long tho.
They're super popular, for a variety of reasons... But people were talkin about that above I guess :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:30:54pm |
re: #415 windsagio
or maybe they're the angels that fathered the children...
Same diff really :p
Basically, at one point in Genesis a group of them hook up with some human girls.
And later the word is used once again in a way that suggests it means 'giants'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:31:39pm |
re: #417 EmmmieG
Did Madeleine L'Engle have them in one of her books?
Yes, in "Many Waters", the wife of one of Noah's sons is supposed to be the daughter of a Nephil.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:32:13pm |
re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist
Basically, at one point in Genesis a group of them hook up with some human girls.
And later the word is used once again in a way that suggests it means 'giants'.
GENESIS 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. these were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:33:03pm |
re: #418 Walter L. Newton
+ for mentioning the Illuminati. Also for general awesomeness.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:33:20pm |
re: #419 windsagio
I think so, its been so long tho.
They're super popular, for a variety of reasons... But people were talkin about that above I guess :)
A theory proposed by Bible scholar I.D.E. Thomas asserts that the race of the "Nephilim" (meaning Giants and/or fallen ones), mentioned in Genesis 6:4 and Numbers 13:33, closely resemble the alien race of the blond Pleiadian Nordics, reported to be eight to nine feet tall. The Nazis attempted to revive this mystical Aryan race in the 1930's and 1940's. Mr. Thomas believes that a hybrid offspring culminated from relations between the Nephilim and the "daughters of man" resulting in increased wickedness upon the earth; and thus evoking God's wrath in the form of the "Great Flood".
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:33:32pm |
re: #418 Walter L. Newton
Well, how about this... (really getting into crazy land now)...
Nefilim - from 'Children of the Matrix' page 71 by David Icke
"The term Nefilim can be translated as "Those Who Descended" or "Those Who Fell From The Heavens". The American researcher David Sielaff emphasizes that the Nefilim or Nephilim are not the sons of the gods (beni ha-Elohim), but the offspring of the interbreeding between the extraterrestrials the Bible calls the Elohim and the daughters of men. The Illuminati bloodlines that rule the world today, therefore, are the Nefilim, the extraterrestrial-human hybrids. They were also known in ancient times as the Rephaim, Emim, Zazummim, and Anakim, all very tall or "giant" people in those days. The biblical Goliath was a Rephaim, and giant in Hebrew is repha. This theme of giants is a constant one. Cave paintings found in places like Japan, South America, and the Sahara Desert, depict giant people with round heads towering over human hunters. Bones of giant people betwe4en 8 and 12 feet tall have been found in mounds in Minnesota and other locations. The Delaware Indians speak of a race of giants who once lived east of the Mississippi in enormous cities and the same descriptions of giants in ancient legends and lore can be found everywhere. Scores of giant red-haired mummies were discovered in a cave near Lovelock in Nevaa and some were seven feet tall. The Piute Indian include tales of red-haired giants who acted like vampires, and the giant Nefilim were associated with cannibalism and blood drinking - just like the Illuminati bloodlines are today. Most accounts say that these giants were unfriendly, even hostile, to the rest of the population. Often associated with these giants were unfriendly, even craft that sound very much like the 'flying saucers' of modern UFO accounts. Genesis tells us that the sons of the gods married the daughters of men before the flood, as well as afterwards and Numbers calls the Nehilim, the sons of Anak, or descendants of the Anakim (Annunnaki)
The root-word 'nafal' means to fall--but it's also been suggested that it may describe warriors, rather than aliens--as in 'those who fall upon the enemy'.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:35:02pm |
re: #424 Walter L. Newton
heh you really love the theory that they're supposed to be aliens.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:35:18pm |
re: #382 oaktree
I've read it. Even came across a whole anthology of "Last Man on Earth" stories that included aliens offing the human race in a number of ways.
I was also amused when I eventually started coming across the interpretations of Clarke's _Childhood's End_ that portrayed the final outcome as something quite a bit darker than want Clarke probably intended.
And for the musical take on the concept, I give you Steely Dan (orginally a dildo in Burroughs' Naked Lunch)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:35:37pm |
re: #422 Walter L. Newton
GENESIS 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. these were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
Numbers 13:33: And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come of the Nephilim: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:36:21pm |
re: #423 windsagio
+ for mentioning the Illuminati. Also for general awesomeness.
Up ding for clipping and pasting something written by David Icke? You must be smoking something. I just trying to show the absolute crazy related to NEPHILIM/NEFILIM... this is a bunch of bullshit, all based around one obscure scripture, so obscure that most theologians and textual critics have no real explanation for what the paragraph is about...
GENESIS 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. these were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:37:39pm |
re: #429 Walter L. Newton
The fact that I think its awesome has nothing to do with the fact that its freaking insane Foucalt's Pendulum stuff..
Its funny because its insane!
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:38:26pm |
re: #430 windsagio
actually that came out wrong, that exactly why I think its awesome. Crazy fringe conspiracy theories are great fun :)
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:38:27pm |
re: #416 SteveC
DAMN! You can buy anything online!
Leno should have told NBC to stuff it and retired...Conan's getting the shaft big time.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:39:03pm |
re: #426 windsagio
heh you really love the theory that they're supposed to be aliens.
I'm just clipping an pasting a number of different theories about Nephilim. I'm surprised there is any interest in the topic, since this has been discussed over and over in theological circles and is old news. Most theologians and textual critics have no real explanation for what the paragraph is about...
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:39:20pm |
re: #432 talon_262
It should be a stupid media non-story, but the way Conan is getting right into their faces is pretty great >
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:39:47pm |
re: #433 Walter L. Newton
I'm just clipping an pasting a number of different theories about Nephilim. I'm surprised there is any interest in the topic, since this has been discussed over and over in theological circles and is old news. Most theologians and textual critics have no real explanation for what the paragraph is about...
What you posted, (not the scripture, but the stuff built around it), would make a really good sci-fi book.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:40:13pm |
re: #431 windsagio
actually that came out wrong, that exactly why I think its awesome. Crazy fringe conspiracy theories are great fun :)
They are a waste of time.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:41:08pm |
re: #435 EmmmieG
Oh they're way ahead of you :p
also again, Foucalt's Pendulum.
Simply amazing book, and even better because its all about the kind of illuminated madness Walter's discussing.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:41:38pm |
re: #432 talon_262
Leno should have told NBC to stuff it and retired...Conan's getting the shaft big time.
Yeah, but Conan will bounce back. Fox Broadcasting will give him a better deal on a network with better ratings. The real loser is NBC, but they've been losers for a long time now. If they really want to make up for this fiasco, they'll license Burn Notice from USA and run it one night at 10/9 Central.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:41:41pm |
re: #433 Walter L. Newton
I'm just clipping an pasting a number of different theories about Nephilim. I'm surprised there is any interest in the topic, since this has been discussed over and over in theological circles and is old news. Most theologians and textual critics have no real explanation for what the paragraph is about...
The people I'm reading know jack about theological. There seems to be a sort of odd folk mythology about the Nephilim.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:41:46pm |
re: #435 EmmmieG
What you posted, (not the scripture, but the stuff built around it), would make a really good sci-fi book.
Unfortunately, people like David Icke does not look at this as science fiction. David Icke believes that reptilian aliens live among us. He even suggested George Bush is an alien. This is crazy bullshit.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:42:16pm |
re: #436 Walter L. Newton
and yet you're bringing them up :p
I find it enjoyable to read how people can take these tiny things and spin them into these amazing myth cycles.
I guess tho, that has no place here, since that never happens in American Politics...
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:42:45pm |
re: #425 SanFranciscoZionist
The root-word 'nafal' means to fall--but it's also been suggested that it may describe warriors, rather than aliens--as in 'those who fall upon the enemy'.
Yeah, well they laid with the women of earth and their progeny were the "heroes of old". Not your normal conquerers, eh? It's such an odd passage in the OT, of course the gaspers who believe that the Book is divinely inspired jump through hoops trying to make sense of it.
Kind of like JC damning the fig tree. Is he omniscient or not? If yes, why get angry? He knew beforehand it wasn't bearing fruit. Was it play acting? If it wasn't he wasn't omniscient and oh goodness, there goes the philosophy.
Faith in the Bible is hard!
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:43:00pm |
Well it is late. I have to go to bed or they will find me with QRTY on my forehead.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:43:23pm |
re: #440 Walter L. Newton
Unfortunately, people like David Icke does not look at this as science fiction. David Icke believes that reptilian aliens live among us. He even suggested George Bush is an alien. This is crazy bullshit.
I read a really good book called The Real History Behind the Templars.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Then again, I'm a historian, so I like reading history, and the genuine history of the Templars was interesting enough.
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webevintage Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:43:29pm |
I'm so happy Project Runway is back.
Now just a few more weeks and LOST will be on and all will be right in my world.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:44:16pm |
re: #439 SanFranciscoZionist
There totally is. I think it comes from the fact that its something so out of place in the Bible.
People see it, feel like it doesn't fit, and then start to come up with reasons it might be there. As I think of it, its probably tied to the old movement to link bible stories to 'real explanations'.
The other side are the literalists, but they're a whole different deal.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:45:13pm |
re: #437 windsagio
Oh they're way ahead of you :p
also again, Foucalt's Pendulum.
Simply amazing book, and even better because its all about the kind of illuminated madness Walter's discussing.
No an easy read, but a very complex book that looks at how signs (images, cultural iconography etc.) triggers come sort of internal connection (as in conspiracies) in us.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:46:24pm |
re: #437 windsagio
Oh they're way ahead of you :p
also again, Foucalt's Pendulum.
Simply amazing book, and even better because its all about the kind of illuminated madness Walter's discussing.
Rear wheel drive cars are good because the drive shaft and differential form a cross. Front wheel drive cars are evil because......
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:47:01pm |
re: #442 austin_blue
Yeah, well they laid with the women of earth and their progeny were the "heroes of old". Not your normal conquerers, eh? It's such an odd passage in the OT, of course the gaspers who believe that the Book is divinely inspired jump through hoops trying to make sense of it.
Kind of like JC damning the fig tree. Is he omniscient or not? If yes, why get angry? He knew beforehand it wasn't bearing fruit. Was it play acting? If it wasn't he wasn't omniscient and oh goodness, there goes the philosophy.
Faith in the Bible is hard!
I don't know--I never bothered with that passage before I discovered this evangelical interest in it. It's just--you know. Ancient demi-god hero stuff. Hercules and them.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:48:22pm |
re: #441 windsagio
and yet you're bringing them up :p
I find it enjoyable to read how people can take these tiny things and spin them into these amazing myth cycles.
I guess tho, that has no place here, since that never happens in American Politics...
And Eco would have something to say about me bringing it up, as in even when I am trying to stop the myth, I perpetrate the myth by my attempts to discredit it.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:49:16pm |
re: #449 SanFranciscoZionist
But if every word is ABSOLUTELY true and divinely inspired, and thats a super-important thing to you, you have to do something about it!
I've heard people bring up the Nephilim as evidence of it being 'mythical' (whatever that actually means) before, and alot of the movements in question are really defensive about that kind of thing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:49:54pm |
re: #446 windsagio
There totally is. I think it comes from the fact that its something so out of place in the Bible.
People see it, feel like it doesn't fit, and then start to come up with reasons it might be there. As I think of it, its probably tied to the old movement to link bible stories to 'real explanations'.
The other side are the literalists, but they're a whole different deal.
Lamech's family is what interests me in Genesis.
18: And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
19: And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
20: And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
21: And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
22: And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-cain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.
23: And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
24: If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:50:00pm |
re: #438 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, but Conan will bounce back. Fox Broadcasting will give him a better deal on a network with better ratings. The real loser is NBC, but they've been losers for a long time now. If they really want to make up for this fiasco, they'll license Burn Notice from USA and run it one night at 10/9 Central.
NBC doesn't need to "license" Burn Notice from USA, because USA is a NBC Universal network also and the show is produced in-house (IIRC). Anyway, I love Colin Ferguson's take on the situation from a week ago:
/love Colin and Conan...
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:51:30pm |
re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist
usually those 'list' parts just put me to sleep.
Now that you mention it, that one is a good 'un tho'.... DEFINITELY something missing there!
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:51:42pm |
re: #454 talon_262
WTF did I get Colin Ferguson...meant Craig Ferguson!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:52:13pm |
re: #444 EmmmieG
I read a really good book called The Real History Behind the Templars.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Then again, I'm a historian, so I like reading history, and the genuine history of the Templars was interesting enough.
Agreed. That's the problem with any Templar myths: They overlook how much of the Templar's actions were above ground and visible. Its very hard to control the kind of fanatics the Templars were unless you're a fanatic as well. Its also worthy of note that the military influence of the Templars was actually fairly disastrous for the Crusaders. The Templars always favored attacking even when the situation clearly called for a different tactic. Their foolish bravado led to more than one Crusader defeat.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:52:30pm |
re: #445 webevintage
I'm so happy Project Runway is back.
Now just a few more weeks and LOST will be on and all will be right in my world.
And don't forget, on Jan. 26th, the are rerunning the final episode of season five "The Incident." Where I live in the mountains with my girlfriend, they had no TV reception up here before I moved in. I'm paying about 70 dollars a month for satellite just to make sure I can see LOST, otherwise I rarely watch TV.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:53:30pm |
re: #449 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know--I never bothered with that passage before I discovered this evangelical interest in it. It's just--you know. Ancient demi-god hero stuff. Hercules and them.
Ah, well, you are not a certain strain of Christian Evangelical, who truly believes that
"The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it."
Not a lot of room for allegory with those gaspers. Minutiae must be sorted out at the risk of your very soul.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:53:57pm |
re: #454 talon_262
NBC doesn't need to "license" Burn Notice from USA, because USA is a NBC Universal network also and the show is produced in-house (IIRC). Anyway, I love Colin Ferguson's take on the situation from a week ago:
[Video]/love Colin and Conan...
Thank you for the clarification. I do stand by my statement that NBC should run the show in one of its freed-up hours. As a fill-in, it would do very well and the extra exposure would help the show.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:54:35pm |
re: #459 austin_blue
Ah, well, you are not a certain strain of Christian Evangelical, who truly believes that
"The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it."
Not a lot of room for allegory with those gaspers. Minutiae must be sorted out at the risk of your very soul.
If they would all just drop the whole god thing, it would clear up a lot of problems.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:54:47pm |
re: #455 windsagio
usually those 'list' parts just put me to sleep.
Now that you mention it, that one is a good 'un tho'... DEFINITELY something missing there!
Here we have the origins of herding, music and metalwork...oh, and a sister. And a fragment of song. And the Bible zooms on to its real appointment down the road.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:55:13pm |
re: #449 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know--I never bothered with that passage before I discovered this evangelical interest in it. It's just--you know. Ancient demi-god hero stuff. Hercules and them.
The Bible is not a book, it's a library. That is good Catholic doctrine, by the way.
It's a compendium of history, mythos, fairy tales, poetry, inspirational prose, examples, parables, proverbs, all put together over the course of about 1,200 years and redacted numerous times by numerous hands. The RC Church treats it as inspired (and includes several books that the Hebrew scholars rejected and that were later given the boot by Luther et al. for that reason), but not as something to be pored over letter by letter for seekrit meanings. Interpretation in light of the whole is the key. Of course, Christians interpret the OT backwards from the NT, whereas the Talmud sticks to the Tanakh.
The fundies don't know a thing about Mishnah, Gemara or Midrashim, so their lost in outer space.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:56:24pm |
re: #460 Dark_Falcon
That made me think of this comic.
*link might not work for you ugys, if so I'll find a better one.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:56:48pm |
re: #461 Walter L. Newton
every time you post something like that I'm gonna start talking about how Atheism is a religion >>
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:57:04pm |
re: #461 Walter L. Newton
If they would all just drop the whole god thing, it would clear up a lot of problems.
You are *so* going to hell.
;-)
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:57:09pm |
re: #463 Cato the Elder
The Bible is not a book, it's a library. That is good Catholic doctrine, by the way.
It's a compendium of history, mythos, fairy tales, poetry, inspirational prose, examples, parables, proverbs, all put together over the course of about 1,200 years and redacted numerous times by numerous hands. The RC Church treats it as inspired (and includes several books that the Hebrew scholars rejected and that were later given the boot by Luther et al. for that reason), but not as something to be pored over letter by letter for seekrit meanings. Interpretation in light of the whole is the key. Of course, Christians interpret the OT backwards from the NT, whereas the Talmud sticks to the Tanakh.
The fundies don't know a thing about Mishnah, Gemara or Midrashim, so their lost in outer space.
Every time I mention that the bible is "a compendium of history, mythos, fairy tales, poetry, inspirational prose, examples, parables, proverbs..." I piss people off. Truth is hard to accept.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:59:32pm |
re: #466 windsagio
every time you post something like that I'm gonna start talking about how Atheism is a religion >>
I really don't give a fuck... have fun. I don't read atheist literature, I don't attend atheist meetings, I can't find my copy of the Atheist Handbook... I guess I am a Stranger in a Strange Land who simply accepts the truth that religion is a creation of man to explain what at one time was unexplainable.
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Racer X Thu, Jan 14, 2010 9:59:51pm |
re: #458 Walter L. Newton
And don't forget, on Jan. 26th, the are rerunning the final episode of season five "The Incident." Where I live in the mountains with my girlfriend, they had no TV reception up here before I moved in. I'm paying about 70 dollars a month for satellite just to make sure I can see LOST, otherwise I rarely watch TV.
Can't you watch it on the net?
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:00:01pm |
re: #463 Cato the Elder
The Bible is not a book, it's a library. That is good Catholic doctrine, by the way.
It's a compendium of history, mythos, fairy tales, poetry, inspirational prose, examples, parables, proverbs, all put together over the course of about 1,200 years and redacted numerous times by numerous hands. The RC Church treats it as inspired (and includes several books that the Hebrew scholars rejected and that were later given the boot by Luther et al. for that reason), but not as something to be pored over letter by letter for seekrit meanings. Interpretation in light of the whole is the key. Of course, Christians interpret the OT backwards from the NT, whereas the Talmud sticks to the Tanakh.
The fundies don't know a thing about Mishnah, Gemara or Midrashim, so their lost in outer space.
You are a fine product of the Baltimore Catechism. Me too. I just decided to retire from the RCC. I've got nothing against those who haven't. I'm just a happy Deist.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:01:04pm |
re: #469 Walter L. Newton
And I bet you get pissed off when people proselytize on here.
You can believe what you want, but pushing your beliefs on others is just rude.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:01:41pm |
It is ten, and I am turning into a pumpkin. I have kids to wrangle tomorrow.
See you all later.
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Racer X Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:02:00pm |
re: #472 windsagio
And I bet you get pissed off when people proselytize on here.
You can believe what you want, but pushing your beliefs on others is just rude.
I cannot recall Walter ever pushing his beliefs on others here.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:02:16pm |
re: #473 EmmmieG
It is ten, and I am turning into a pumpkin. I have kids to wrangle tomorrow.
See you all later.
Night!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:02:19pm |
re: #470 Racer X
Can't you watch it on the net?
First off, I have DSL up here, and the streaming is sometimes spotty. And I prefer to see it on a widescreen HD TV, not on a 17 inch monitor, and in Surround Sound, not dinky little computer speakers... and most of all, the whole family, the four of us, would like to watch it together.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:03:00pm |
re: #472 windsagio
And I bet you get pissed off when people proselytize on here.
You can believe what you want, but pushing your beliefs on others is just rude.
Tough shit.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:03:15pm |
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Racer X Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:04:53pm |
re: #478 windsagio
he's doing it now, if somewhat subtly.
So, he's subtly pushing his beliefs then?
I think everyone is entitled to their opinion (as Charles sees fit) here.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:06:02pm |
re: #478 windsagio
he's doing it now, if somewhat subtly.
I am stating my belief, or lack of it. I have been on LGF for 6 years and I have always respected the different beliefs here. I even write G-d in this form in respect to our more traditional jewish Lizards.
But don't fucking tell me what I can say about my personal beliefs and what I can't say. Who the hell do you think you are, the pope?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:07:17pm |
re: #468 Walter L. Newton
Every time I mention that the bible is "a compendium of history, mythos, fairy tales, poetry, inspirational prose, examples, parables, proverbs..." I piss people off. Truth is hard to accept.
Just tell them to stick this in their ear and candle it:
The very word "bible" comes from the Greek βιβλια (biblia), which is the plural form of biblion, "book". It literally means "the books". As in, we knew from the earliest times that it was a library, a collection, a set of writings. The stories of Ruth and Tobit (one of those Catholic apocrypha) have nothing to do with Kings or Judges except that they are part of the same encyclopedia.
Then stand back and try not to get any on ya when heads explode.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:08:05pm |
re: #478 windsagio
he's doing it now, if somewhat subtly.
I just don't agree with that. Religious people often assert that an atheist expressing what he or she believes is somehow offensive or an attempt to 'push atheist beliefs' on believers.
Walter, as I see it, is merely expressing what he believes.
Another product of the Baltimore Catechism here, though I moved through Deism quite some time ago and am now atheist. Not that it matters, particularly.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:10:00pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:10:50pm |
re: #482 Cato the Elder
Just tell them to stick this in their ear and candle it:
The very word "bible" comes from the Greek βιβλια (biblia), which is the plural form of biblion, "book". It literally means "the books". As in, we knew from the earliest times that it was a library, a collection, a set of writings. The stories of Ruth and Tobit (one of those Catholic apocrypha) have nothing to do with Kings or Judges except that they are part of the same encyclopedia.
Then stand back and try not to get any on ya when heads explode.
Cato, any fundie unfortunate enough to debate you would either have his head explode or be left wondering which truck ran him down. Your command of English and Latin is truly superlative.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:10:50pm |
re: #478 windsagio
he's doing it now, if somewhat subtly.
Well, I am getting tired, schlepped a heck of a lot of furniture today, we had a specialty truck come in this afternoon with a full load of furniture donations.
I think I will pull out my pipe, put in a wad of habafropzipulops and have a little slack time. We have had a good time delving into Mockery Science, Sadofuturistics, Megaphysics, Scatalography, Schizophreniatrics, Morealism, Sarcastrophy, Cynisacreligion, Apocolyptionomy, ESPectorationalism, Hypno-Pediatrics, Subliminalism, Satyriology, Disto-Utopianity, Sardonicology, Fascetiouism, Ridiculophagy, and Miscellatheistic Theology tonight and I am tired.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:11:48pm |
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:12:37pm |
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webevintage Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:13:43pm |
re: #476 Walter L. Newton
First off, I have DSL up here, and the streaming is sometimes spotty. And I prefer to see it on a widescreen HD TV, not on a 17 inch monitor, and in Surround Sound, not dinky little computer speakers... and most of all, the whole family, the four of us, would like to watch it together.
I'm with you.
I don't like watching TV on my little monitor, sitting at my desk.
We're a bit backwards here, we don't even have an HD TV yet. I just can't replace things until they wear out.
But soon, I think, very soon the TV will be a goner and hopefully my fridge too. I'd love a new fridge with a bottom freezer like we had when I was a kid. I will never buy a side by side again.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:13:51pm |
re: #489 goddamnedfrank
Oh lord. On that subject, isn't Vince McMahon's (sp) daughter running for congress or something? That'll be great ;)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:14:33pm |
re: #484 windsagio
re: #481 Walter L. Newton
re: #483 iceweasel
I had a whole long response written out, then decided to can it.
I think Walter is being an ass, but its not my place to play thread police, so I'll let it drop.
Walter is never shy about sharing his beliefs.
That said, 'drop the whole god thing' is more than a bit dismissive. I'd be annoyed, and I know others would be, if a lizard just suggested folks should 'accept the Bible as the literal word of God', which also clears up a lot of problems in textual interpretation.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:15:24pm |
re: #492 SanFranciscoZionist
Well that was my point. So thank you :)
And I have to go to kareoke, so I'll leave on that note!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:16:37pm |
re: #493 windsagio
Well that was my point. So thank you :)
And I have to go to kareoke, so I'll leave on that note!
Well, I can't approve, but if you must.
//
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jdog29 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:16:39pm |
now that we have this thread tamed, I was wondering why even in the most expansive Nation of Israel map, there is recognized, Gaza, hence the Gaza strip. When God promised the land to Abram(ham), was there like some fog or something hiding Gaza? I have always wondered about this.
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windsagio Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:17:46pm |
one more thing, it was his wife, not his daughter.
Wrestling promoters in congress are always great!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:18:47pm |
re: #495 jdog29
now that we have this thread tamed, I was wondering why even in the most expansive Nation of Israel map, there is recognized, Gaza, hence the Gaza strip. When God promised the land to Abram(ham), was there like some fog or something hiding Gaza? I have always wondered about this.
Huh? Rephrase the question. I know Gaza was a Philistine city for a long time. But I don't know what you mean exactly.
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tradewind Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:23:21pm |
Best Daddy-to-Daughter song, ever.
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jdog29 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:23:35pm |
In the Bible there are maps in the front and back covers showing Paul's missionary journey's, Jerusalem in Jesus' day and usually the nation of Israel's territory during the reign of King David, King Solomon and usually also the divided kingdom. Even in the most expansive borders, during the reign of King Solomon, the area of today's Gaza strip is never included within Israel's borders. This seems rather peculiar to me.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:23:52pm |
re: #495 jdog29
now that we have this thread tamed, I was wondering why even in the most expansive Nation of Israel map, there is recognized, Gaza, hence the Gaza strip. When God promised the land to Abram(ham), was there like some fog or something hiding Gaza? I have always wondered about this.
Gaza is Palestine, i.e. the land of the Philistines, Samson's nemeses.
The Romans first called the whole of Israel "Palaestina" as part of their eradication program against the Nation of Judea/Israel. That's the only reason anybody talks about a place called "Palestine" today. It all began with Roman propaganda. Much as the Nazis renamed Austria "die Ostmark", an ancient historical designation.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:23:55pm |
re: #484 windsagio
re: #481 Walter L. Newton
re: #483 iceweasel
I had a whole long response written out, then decided to can it.
I think Walter is being an ass, but its not my place to play thread police, so I'll let it drop.
You'll take your hits for that post.
Understand that Atheism is a faith, as much as being a hardcore biblical literalist Baptist is. To deny the existence of a prime mover in the universe is as tough an argument as believing that God listens to every prayer and responds. Who knows what the truth is? Can't be proved either way.
The panoply of human faith is incredible.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:24:48pm |
re: #499 jdog29
In the Bible there are maps in the front and back covers showing Paul's missionary journey's, Jerusalem in Jesus' day and usually the nation of Israel's territory during the reign of King David, King Solomon and usually also the divided kingdom. Even in the most expansive borders, during the reign of King Solomon, the area of today's Gaza strip is never included within Israel's borders. This seems rather peculiar to me.
It was never conquered by the historical Israel.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:25:17pm |
Don't know if any of you have used the overlay provided today by Google, for the GoogleEarth application, to see before and after satellite images from Haiti... I've spent a few minutes looking at parts and it is amazing to see areas that seem mostly destroyed... intermixed with neighborhoods that appear to be mostly standing.
I'm chalking that up to construction methods - the people who could afford to live in buildings with wooden A-frames probably are the ones still to have a roof over their heads.
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Bagua Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:26:18pm |
re: #502 Cato the Elder
It was never conquered by the historical Israel.
Never too late, it needs conquering now.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:27:29pm |
re: #502 Cato the Elder
It was never conquered by the historical Israel.
The modern state of Israel took it from Egypt, most recently in 67. Egypt, for some myterious reason, does not want it back.
//
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:28:28pm |
re: #501 austin_blue
You'll take your hits for that post.
Understand that Atheism is a faith, as much as being a hardcore biblical literalist Baptist is. To deny the existence of a prime mover in the universe is as tough an argument as believing that God listens to every prayer and responds. Who knows what the truth is? Can't be proved either way.
The panoply of human faith is incredible.
Atheism does not define a personality. That is, there are varying degrees of people that are atheists therefore one cannot categorize or lump in all atheists with having the same ferocity as a "hardcore biblical literalist Baptist." I am an atheist and the previous representation does not represent me.
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jdog29 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:28:32pm |
re: #502 Cato the Elder
It was never conquered by the historical Israel.
Right, but when God promised all the land he was looking at to Abram(ham), would a far off fog bank or something similar covering Gaza explain why it was never conquered?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:31:34pm |
re: #507 jdog29
Right, but when God promised all the land he was looking at to Abram(ham), would a far off fog bank or something similar covering Gaza explain why it was never conquered?
I assume God can see through fog, and father than the boundaries of historical Israel ever reached, so that might be something to take more metaphorically.
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jdog29 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:31:55pm |
re: #506 Gus 802
Atheism does not define a personality. That is, there are varying degrees of people that are atheists therefore one cannot categorize or lump in all atheists with having the same ferocity as a "hardcore biblical literalist Baptist." I am an atheist and the previous representation does not represent me.
Atheists claim not to believe in God.
I claim not to believe in atheists.
Now people who are completely fed up with organized religion, I believe in those.
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jdog29 Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:34:13pm |
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:34:17pm |
re: #509 jdog29
Atheists claim not to believe in God.
I claim not to believe in atheists.
Now people who are completely fed up with organized religion, I believe in those.
First of all, I don't "claim" to not believe in a God. I do not understand what you mean by not believing in atheists.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:34:23pm |
re: #503 freetoken
Don't know if any of you have used the overlay provided today by Google, for the GoogleEarth application, to see before and after satellite images from Haiti... I've spent a few minutes looking at parts and it is amazing to see areas that seem mostly destroyed... intermixed with neighborhoods that appear to be mostly standing.
I'm chalking that up to construction methods - the people who could afford to live in buildings with wooden A-frames probably are the ones still to have a roof over their heads.
Found this on Salon earlier today, still haven't read it all but might be worth a look. They seem to have a lot of coverage:
Within hours of the earthquake that devastated Haiti, the tweets were flying: Just a year earlier, Patrick Charles, a geologist at the University of Havana, had predicted that a major earthquake was imminent along the Enriquillo Fault Zone that runs under the nation's capital, Port-au-Prince.
"Conditions are ripe for major seismic activity in Port-au-Prince," he told the French-language Haitian newspaper, Le Matin in October 2008. "The inhabitants of the Haitian capital need to prepare themselves for an event which will inevitably occur... Thank God that science has provided instruments that help predict these types of events and show how we have arrived at these conclusions."
Barely a month later, after the catastrophic collapse of a school in Petionville, the mayor of Port-au-Prince warned that 60 percent of Haiti's buildings "were shoddily built and unsafe normally." A 2005 report from the Organization of American States' Department of Sustainable Development noted that "There is no national building code in Haiti." The loss of thousands of lives in flooding in 2004 was attributed in part to "the absence of land use zoning and building guidelines, and comprehensive enforcement mechanisms."
Found this too at the LATimes:
Poor building codes, perfect-storm earthquake led to massive destruction in Haiti, experts say
Anyway, given the total lack of building codes there, even people in A frame houses might be badly off. Plus you might have other buildings next to you that fell on yours.
Just a complete and total hell there for everyone, it seems.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:35:03pm |
re: #503 freetoken
Don't know if any of you have used the overlay provided today by Google, for the GoogleEarth application, to see before and after satellite images from Haiti... I've spent a few minutes looking at parts and it is amazing to see areas that seem mostly destroyed... intermixed with neighborhoods that appear to be mostly standing.
I'm chalking that up to construction methods - the people who could afford to live in buildings with wooden A-frames probably are the ones still to have a roof over their heads.
Don't forget soils beneath the buildings. With the Loma Prieta quake in the Bay area in '89, damage was associated with whether the structure (building or freeway) was built on native rock or sediment/fill. If you were built on soft soils, you were fucked. Pretty much everything collapsed. If you were built on rock or rock with a relatively thin veneer of sediment, you did okay.
One of the major pieces of info out of Haiti today, and it's really bad news, is that the port facilities in PauP were trashed. Built on sediment and fill, they are unusable for off-loading the huge quantities of materiel that can be boated in. Major logistics nightmare.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:35:27pm |
re: #505 SanFranciscoZionist
The modern state of Israel took it from Egypt, most recently in 67. Egypt, for some myterious reason, does not want it back.
//
No more than Jordan wants the West Bank.
I'm pretty sure Israel would be glad to give both territories to nominal allies with whom it has treaties. But that would spoil UNWRA's budget plans for the eternal refugee status of the "Palestinians", wouldn't it?
And so good night.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:37:14pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:37:36pm |
re: #516 Cato the Elder
No more than Jordan wants the West Bank.
I'm pretty sure Israel would be glad to give both territories to nominal allies with whom it has treaties. But that would spoil UNWRA's budget plans for the eternal refugee status of the "Palestinians", wouldn't it?
And so good night.
Sleep well, Cato. Your analysis is spot on, as always.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:38:21pm |
re: #506 Gus 802
Atheism does not define a personality. That is, there are varying degrees of people that are atheists therefore one cannot categorize or lump in all atheists with having the same ferocity as a "hardcore biblical literalist Baptist." I am an atheist and the previous representation does not represent me.
Okay, then a Richard Dawkins Atheist. Fair?
I only bring up the point because most folks I know who identify themselves as Atheists are pretty gung-ho.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:38:31pm |
re: #517 iceweasel
Heh.
Jesus Doesn't Want Me for a Sunbeam-- The Vaselines[Video]
Heh is right. Can you believe that pablum? You should have seen what this place was like for atheists a little over a year ago. I'm sure you've heard.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:39:24pm |
re: #519 austin_blue
Okay, then a Richard Dawkins Atheist. Fair?
I only bring up the point because most folks I know who identify themselves as Atheists are pretty gung-ho.
Yeah, yeah, the Richard Dawkins as Atheists Meme. Heard it before. All atheists are pretty gung-ho. You seem pretty gung-ho in being negative about atheists.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:39:47pm |
re: #520 Gus 802
Heh is right. Can you believe that pablum? You should have seen what this place was like for atheists a little over a year ago. I'm sure you've heard.
Oh yeah. In many ways I wouldn't have been able to comment then. Much more tolerant and open community now, IMO.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:45:00pm |
re: #522 iceweasel
Oh yeah. In many ways I wouldn't have been able to comment then. Much more tolerant and open community now, IMO.
It still happens only now it's more nuanced. Typically, they bring up Richard Dawkins as being the archetypal "aggressive" atheist.
Funny how that works. Typically I'm reading about the Bible in here more than anything else when it come to a belief structure. Even to the point of quoting scriptures. Prayer lists. And so on. Do I say anything? No.
But when atheists come up it's like a free for all sometimes and it's easy for them to cast their aspersion on what they think defines an atheist. The group think is to not reciprocate -- IOW, it's still OK to slander atheists.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:52:45pm |
re: #521 Gus 802
Yeah, yeah, the Richard Dawkins as Atheists Meme. Heard it before. All atheists are pretty gung-ho. You seem pretty gung-ho in being negative about atheists.
Not really. I'm a Deist so I find the Fundies on all sides of the aisle curious. I don't see a spit of difference between Dawkins, Robertson, or Bin Laden, as far as their belief in their righteousness is concerned.
These are not people you can have rational discussions with. They are zealots.
Please understand it pains me to put Dawkins in with that group. I find him to be a brilliant writer, probably the best in the science world working today. But he does science, and the rest of us who believe that advancing science, especially to those who need a better understanding of it, as crucial to our collective future, no favors with his strident advocacy of his particular brand of Atheism.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:55:25pm |
re: #524 austin_blue
Not really. I'm a Deist so I find the Fundies on all sides of the aisle curious. I don't see a spit of difference between Dawkins, Robertson, or Bin Laden, as far as their belief in their righteousness is concerned.
These are not people you can have rational discussions with. They are zealots.
Please understand it pains me to put Dawkins in with that group. I find him to be a brilliant writer, probably the best in the science world working today. But he does science, and the rest of us who believe that advancing science, especially to those who need a better understanding of it, as crucial to our collective future, no favors with his strident advocacy of his particular brand of Atheism.
You don't see a "spit of difference" between Osama Bin Laden and Richard Dawkins? OK, please find me were Richard Dawkins promotes the death of people that do not share his ideas.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:55:27pm |
re: #515 austin_blue
Indeed, by look at the satellite images one can tell that there is a large difference between the areas built on the alluvial areas (the flat areas by the sea, which is simply accumulated sediments), compared to the the hilly sites. If you look closely at the worse hit parts of Port au Prince it looks like they were built on the low coastal areas. Now, it could be also that the "richer" live in the hilly areas, thus their structures were built better.
Looking at these satellite pics I have to wonder how there will be any recovery at all ... with the government all but collapsed along with the buildings, this now looks like a disaster from which there is no recover.
The news reports say many people are without fresh water; as they will be on the third day of this now, people will start to get very desperate.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:57:28pm |
re: #522 iceweasel
Oh yeah. In many ways I wouldn't have been able to comment then. Much more tolerant and open community now, IMO.
I'd simply say less monolithic. When almost all the people think the same way, its easy to gang up on the dissenter. Avanti came in for a lot of downdings that way.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:58:03pm |
re: #523 Gus 802
It still happens only now it's more nuanced. Typically, they bring up Richard Dawkins as being the archetypal "aggressive" atheist.
Funny how that works. Typically I'm reading about the Bible in here more than anything else when it come to a belief structure. Even to the point of quoting scriptures. Prayer lists. And so on. Do I say anything? No.
But when atheists come up it's like a free for all sometimes and it's easy for them to cast their aspersion on what they think defines an atheist. The group think is to not reciprocate -- IOW, it's still OK to slander atheists.
precisely. It remains in many ways the one remaining acceptable group to slander. Not that other groups aren't slandered, but given how religious the US as a whole is, prejudice against atheists remains widely acceptable.
As stated above, many of the religious take an atheist's statements of his or her beliefs (or lack thereof) as an 'attack' on what they believe. Yet they wouldn't do so if they were talking to a someone who was from another religion or denomination. There they'd be more likely to have respect for that person's beliefs -- or understand that a certain respect is supposed to be paid -- even if they are different beliefs. Not so with atheists. Every declaration of atheism is apparently part of the War on Christianity.
Here's a poll from 2007, asking people about factors that could influence your voting. Would you be able to vote for, or would you vote against, the following? Someone who is: Catholic; black; a woman; Jewish; a Mormon; 72 years old; a homosexual; an atheist?
Guess which is least likely to be elected president. I''ve seen other surveys from a few years ago. Same result on the bottom.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:02:34pm |
re: #527 Dark_Falcon
I'd simply say less monolithic. When almost all the people think the same way, its easy to gang up on the dissenter. Avanti came in for a lot of downdings that way.
Well, since it's no longer a monoculture, we have more diversity of opinion, and thus the community is more tolerant now. Avanti would never get that kind of treatment if he joined now, for example. He's such a polite guy, it's difficult for me to understand how his karma was so negative for a while.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:06:09pm |
re: #525 Gus 802
You don't see a "spit of difference" between Osama Bin Laden and Richard Dawkins? OK, please find me were Richard Dawkins promotes the death of people that do not share his ideas.
Oh, blah blah blah. Here's my last paragraph, which you conveniently did not quote:
Please understand it pains me to put Dawkins in with that group. I find him to be a brilliant writer, probably the best in the science world working today. But he does science, and the rest of us who believe that advancing science, especially to those who need a better understanding of it, as crucial to our collective future, no favors with his strident advocacy of his particular brand of Atheism.
Don't be a troll.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:07:03pm |
re: #528 iceweasel
precisely. It remains in many ways the one remaining acceptable group to slander. Not that other groups aren't slandered, but given how religious the US as a whole is, prejudice against atheists remains widely acceptable.
As stated above, many of the religious take an atheist's statements of his or her beliefs (or lack thereof) as an 'attack' on what they believe. Yet they wouldn't do so if they were talking to a someone who was from another religion or denomination. There they'd be more likely to have respect for that person's beliefs -- or understand that a certain respect is supposed to be paid -- even if they are different beliefs. Not so with atheists. Every declaration of atheism is apparently part of the War on Christianity.
Here's a poll from 2007, asking people about factors that could influence your voting. Would you be able to vote for, or would you vote against, the following? Someone who is: Catholic; black; a woman; Jewish; a Mormon; 72 years old; a homosexual; an atheist?
Guess which is least likely to be elected president. I''ve seen other surveys from a few years ago. Same result on the bottom.
Well said. Most particularly this point:
[Many] of the religious take an atheist's statements of his or her beliefs (or lack thereof) as an 'attack' on what they believe. Yet they wouldn't do so if they were talking to a someone who was from another religion or denomination. There they'd be more likely to have respect for that person's beliefs -- or understand that a certain respect is supposed to be paid -- even if they are different beliefs.
What usually follows is that you get lumped in with what they call activist atheism. Typically this is as the previously mentioned Dawkins or sometimes Hitchens. The latter of which they have a passive-aggressive appreciation for only in the sense of when they can use him in their holy war against Islam -- which shouldn't be confused with the struggle against terrorism.
Then the broad brush. "Most of them are loud mouthed activists" is something we hear time and time again. Again, Dawkins comes up. This would be like comparing all Christian to Jerry Falwell. In a way, I find it insulting but of course, it is socially acceptable to insult atheists (for a variety of reasons).
I'm aware of the poll. Atheists come dead last. The poll was conducted
in the United States and is similar in American's belief in creationism. That is, they fall in right in line with Turkey.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:08:30pm |
re: #530 austin_blue
Oh, blah blah blah. Here's my last paragraph, which you conveniently did not quote:
Please understand it pains me to put Dawkins in with that group. I find him to be a brilliant writer, probably the best in the science world working today. But he does science, and the rest of us who believe that advancing science, especially to those who need a better understanding of it, as crucial to our collective future, no favors with his strident advocacy of his particular brand of Atheism.
Don't be a troll.
What are you drunk? Blah blah blah? Don't be a troll?
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yael Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:10:18pm |
re: #526 freetoken
Maybe some Lizards with greater expertise can correct this, but I recall vaguely hearing of a low level parachute extraction technique used with C-130 transports that allowed them to drop supplies in areas where there was no usable airfield. Could this technique be used to drop (for example) heavy reinforced bladder tanks of water to the devastated areas?
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Bagua Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:10:27pm |
re: #526 freetoken
The rich would live in Petion-Ville and area, the hills overlooking Port-au-Prince.
It is harrowing and overwhelming to observe the destruction from the satellite view on Google earth.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:12:16pm |
re: #531 Gus 802
Yup. And then you do have people like PZ Myers pulling stunts like pounding a nail through a communion wafer, ripping up the Koran (and a copy of Origin of the Species, just for fun) that get all the attention and needlessly piss people off. And I like PZ!
In re: Turkey-- did you see that story about the game show where they try to convert atheists? Something like that. I'll dig it up. Computer getting kinda wonky at the moment if I vanish.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:13:22pm |
re: #526 freetoken
Indeed, by look at the satellite images one can tell that there is a large difference between the areas built on the alluvial areas (the flat areas by the sea, which is simply accumulated sediments), compared to the the hilly sites. If you look closely at the worse hit parts of Port au Prince it looks like they were built on the low coastal areas. Now, it could be also that the "richer" live in the hilly areas, thus their structures were built better.
Looking at these satellite pics I have to wonder how there will be any recovery at all ... with the government all but collapsed along with the buildings, this now looks like a disaster from which there is no recover.
The news reports say many people are without fresh water; as they will be on the third day of this now, people will start to get very desperate.
It's a situation out of a Bruegel painting.
[Link: eemb40.blogspot.com...]
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:18:06pm |
re: #532 Gus 802
What are you drunk? Blah blah blah? Don't be a troll?
Here's my post:
Oh, blah blah blah. Here's my last paragraph, which you conveniently did not quote:
Please understand it pains me to put Dawkins in with that group. I find him to be a brilliant writer, probably the best in the science world working today. But he does science, and the rest of us who believe that advancing science, especially to those who need a better understanding of it, as crucial to our collective future, no favors with his strident advocacy of his particular brand of Atheism.
Don't be a troll.
Well, there's a response that doesn't address a damn thing!
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:21:48pm |
re: #535 iceweasel
Yup. And then you do have people like PZ Myers pulling stunts like pounding a nail through a communion wafer, ripping up the Koran (and a copy of Origin of the Species, just for fun) that get all the attention and needlessly piss people off. And I like PZ!
In re: Turkey-- did you see that story about the game show where they try to convert atheists? Something like that. I'll dig it up. Computer getting kinda wonky at the moment if I vanish.
Never saw any of that from PZ Myers. I do remember hearing people say things like "if I ever find out someone is an atheist..." I rather not finish the sentence.
Of equal if not greater self-righteousness is concerned we will find:
Pope Benedict XVI
Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams
Reverened Rick Warren
Reverened Jeremiah Wright, et al.
These people wield greater power than the Dawkins and the Myers. Much greater power.
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BARACK THE VOTE Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:24:13pm |
TV gameshow offers atheists 'salvation'
A Turkish television show is offering contestants what it claims is the "biggest prize ever" -- the chance for atheists to convert to one of the world's major religions.
The TV show offers converts to Islam the chance to visit Mecca.The TV show offers converts to Islam the chance to visit Mecca.
The show, called "Tovbekarlar Yarisiyor," or "Penitents Compete," features a Muslim imam, a Catholic priest, a Jewish rabbi and a Buddhist monk attempting to persuade 10 atheists of the merits of their religion, according to CNN Turk.
If they succeed, the contestants are rewarded with a pilgrimage to one of their chosen faith's most sacred sites -- Mecca for Muslims, Jerusalem for converts to Judaism, a trip to Tibet for Buddhists and the chance to visit Ephesus and the Vatican for Christians.
Ahmet Ozdemir, deputy director of Turkish channel Kanal T, which will air the show from September, said the program aimed to "turn disbelievers on to God."
Imagine the outcry if this was aimed at 'converting' Christians to another religion--or to atheism. Or aimed at Jews to 'perfect' them (Coulter could be the host). But if we could make it here, aimed at atheists, (which we never would, of course) it would be a huge hit, I bet. Lots of people would condemn it, but they'd also be watching every tuesday at 8 or whatever.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:26:56pm |
re: #537 austin_blue
Here's my post:
Oh, blah blah blah. Here's my last paragraph, which you conveniently did not quote:
Please understand it pains me to put Dawkins in with that group. I find him to be a brilliant writer, probably the best in the science world working today. But he does science, and the rest of us who believe that advancing science, especially to those who need a better understanding of it, as crucial to our collective future, no favors with his strident advocacy of his particular brand of Atheism.
Don't be a troll.
Well, there's a response that doesn't address a damn thing!
I suppose you want an answer.
Frankly, I like Richard Dawkins. I agree with him almost 100% on all issues and the science. If that means I "believe" in Richard Dawkins, then I believe in Richard Dawkins.
When it comes to these matters I would list the following in those that I hold in high esteem:
Daniel Clement Dennett
Richard Dawkins
Christopher Hitchens
Sam Harris
The Four Horsemen. Which is a fascinating video conversation by the way.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:30:40pm |
re: #539 iceweasel
TV gameshow offers atheists 'salvation'
Imagine the outcry if this was aimed at 'converting' Christians to another religion--or to atheism. Or aimed at Jews to 'perfect' them (Coulter could be the host). But if we could make it here, aimed at atheists, (which we never would, of course) it would be a huge hit, I bet. Lots of people would condemn it, but they'd also be watching every tuesday at 8 or whatever.
There would be an international outcry at the very least. Instead, we hear nothing from any so called organized atheism since there is barely one to begin with contrary to what the anti-atheists would have us believe. So much for that meme.
At least they're not burning them at the stake or hanging them in the public square or whatever it was that they used to do with atheists in Turkey.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:36:17pm |
re: #534 Bagua
It is harrowing and overwhelming to observe the destruction from the satellite view on Google earth.
Indeed it is.
From the news reports, what little government is left just isn't functioning. Given that, there will be little hope of any function outside of a military control of the country.
A lot is going to be tested by this disaster, in regards to any role international organizations are considered up to the task.
Also, even though the US State department has stated explicitly that we are not taking over the country, in the end there might be little option, assuming we don't want to sit back and watch from afar a Lord Of The Flies type of scenario develop. IMO, even though it would be very costly to run Haiti proper, it might be cheaper than the alternative, to have a truly "failed state" (a la Somalia, Afghanistan, etc.) on our doorstep.
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austin_blue Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:40:28pm |
re: #540 Gus 802
I suppose you want an answer.
Frankly, I like Richard Dawkins. I agree with him almost 100% on all issues and the science. If that means I "believe" in Richard Dawkins, then I believe in Richard Dawkins.
When it comes to these matters I would list the following in those that I hold in high esteem:
Daniel Clement Dennett
Richard Dawkins
Christopher Hitchens
Sam HarrisThe Four Horsemen. Which is a fascinating video conversation by the way.
I love Dawkins when he writes on science! He's a brilliant writer. His data is spot on and the reviewers who gig him on his Faith miss the point that his science is separate from his Faith. One is secular, the other is esoterical He makes science understandable to the Great Unwashed.
It's a wonderful thing. His books are brilliant, but his his hardcore Atheist faith makes him anethema to a huge chunk of the population who would otherwise read his science books for the brilliant things they are.
In the long run, Dawkins' non-science books kill his a acceptability in the classroom. It's a damn shame, but there it is.
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Gus Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:50:48pm |
re: #543 austin_blue
I love Dawkins when he writes on science! He's a brilliant writer. His data is spot on and the reviewers who gig him on his Faith miss the point that his science is separate from his Faith. One is secular, the other is esoterical He makes science understandable to the Great Unwashed.
It's a wonderful thing. His books are brilliant, but his his hardcore Atheist faith makes him anethema to a huge chunk of the population who would otherwise read his science books for the brilliant things they are.
In the long run, Dawkins' non-science books kill his a acceptability in the classroom. It's a damn shame, but there it is.
The people that want to read Dawkins shall. The people that should read Dawkins as you state, won't read Dawkins nor any other non-fiction science book. These same people have no idea who Dawkins is let alone are familiar with his atheism.
Right now the top three hardcover nonfiction best sellers in the NY Times are a) Going Rogue by Sarah Palin; b) Have a Little Faith by Rabbi Mitch Albom and c) Arguing with Idiots by Glenn Beck, et al. I have little "faith" that there would be much popular interest with a science book by Dawkins.
While some people are worried about Dawkins, and speaking of non-fiction, they are currently in the process of re-thinking history books at Texas Board of Ed. The current objective being discussed includes revisionist history in which Senator Joseph McCarthy is given a second look.
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Nadnerb Fri, Jan 15, 2010 2:02:40am |
Charles,
Thank you for all the great music links. I've enjoyed the music postings for a long time, however, the Bruce Hornsby post "Prairie Dog Town" actually stoked the mind wires. Of course, I had to learn about him and how he played with the Dead and Steve Winwood, so now, I know some more history. This song was bumped on my JBLs at a fine New Years party. Do you like the Black Keys? Or Dan Auerbach? What of it, jazz guy?
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:43:31am |
re: #543 austin_blue
I love Dawkins when he writes on science! He's a brilliant writer. His data is spot on and the reviewers who gig him on his Faith miss the point that his science is separate from his Faith. One is secular, the other is esoterical He makes science understandable to the Great Unwashed.
It's a wonderful thing. His books are brilliant, but his his hardcore Atheist faith makes him anethema to a huge chunk of the population who would otherwise read his science books for the brilliant things they are.
In the long run, Dawkins' non-science books kill his a acceptability in the classroom. It's a damn shame, but there it is.
That his writings critical of magical thinking and revelation based belief should be considered to make him inappropriate for the classroom shows how far we still have to go.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:12:31am |
re: #519 austin_blue
Okay, then a Richard Dawkins Atheist. Fair?
I only bring up the point because most folks I know who identify themselves as Atheists are pretty gung-ho.
Most people I know who are atheists aren't gung-ho. But there are atheists, and then there are Atheists. There are folks who don't believe, and then there are folks who believe in not believing.
I think 'Dawkins Atheist' might work to describe the concept.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:16:07am |
re: #539 iceweasel
TV gameshow offers atheists 'salvation'
Imagine the outcry if this was aimed at 'converting' Christians to another religion--or to atheism. Or aimed at Jews to 'perfect' them (Coulter could be the host). But if we could make it here, aimed at atheists, (which we never would, of course) it would be a huge hit, I bet. Lots of people would condemn it, but they'd also be watching every tuesday at 8 or whatever.
I wouldn't. I find proofs for faith or lack thereof horrendously boring.
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