1 freetoken  Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:05:26pm

"For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."

A gate... a symbol;
Are we going in,
or are we going out?

2 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:09:25pm

Bedtime for DF. I've got a long day ahead tomorrow. Sleep well, all.

3 The Left  Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:17:45pm

I am part of all that I have met;
Yet all experience is an arch wherethrough
Gleams that untraveled world whose margin fades
Forever and forever when I move.

Tennyson, Ulysses

4 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 14, 2010 11:45:28pm

I seem to be losing my ability to type! Oh, wait, it's 1:42 in the morning. Where didm the time go?

Good night all. Sweet dreams and a glorious Friday to all.

5 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 12:43:39am

old chinese probverb say... man who go through airport gate sideways going to bangkok.

6 freetoken  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 12:43:41am
7 freetoken  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:09:41am
8 freetoken  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 1:18:26am
9 AK-47%  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 2:15:17am

Are you promoting the gate agenda?

10 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 2:17:07am

re: #9 ralphieboy

Are you promoting the gate agenda?

Which ____gate?

11 The Left  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 2:23:11am

This is one of the strangest stories I've ever heard.
Lawyer in YouTube murder plot video hired his own assassins – UN

It was the murder that spawned a macabre YouTube sensation and threatened to ­topple Guatemala's government.

Hitmen shot dead Rodrigo Rosenberg, a lawyer, in Guatemala City soon after he recorded a sombre video blaming his imminent assassination on President Ålvaro Colom and other senior officials.

The 18-minute testimonial – which surfaced at the funeral – was uploaded to the internet and triggered a political hurricane in the central American country. Now, in a bizarre twist, it is alleged Rosenberg masterminded his own murder to frame the president. A UN investigation has concluded the lawyer, depressed over personal problems and angry with the government, sacrificed his own life in an elaborate sting.

"Who planned the act? We have to conclude that it was Rodrigo Rosenberg himself," Carlos Castresana, head of the UN commission, told a stunned country . "He decided to sacrifice his life in exchange for a change in the country. There can be no other explanation."

In a news conference the president, who faced protests and resignation calls, said he had been vindicated and that the country could move on.

Since May Rosenberg's video has been broadcast repeatedly on TV, sold on DVD, gone viral on YouTube and attracted so many online viewers some sites crashed.

The 47-year-old Harvard-educated lawyer, seated behind a desk and gazing at the camera, said: "If you are watching this message it is because I have been murdered by Alvaro Colom." He said his life was in danger over a corruption scam involving Colom, the president's wife and senior officials.

In a plot twist worthy of Agatha Christie investigators said Rosenberg made the recording knowing that two days later, on May 10, assassins he had hired would ambush him near his home. He was shot three times in the head, once in the neck and once in the back. He apparently hoped the video would render him a martyr.


More at link. 2 days old, apologies if it's already been posted here.

12 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 2:30:39am

re: #11 iceweasel

*nelson laugh*

13 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 2:59:17am

Good Morning LGF.

14 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:04:56am

re: #13 Spare O'Lake

G'morning Sol.

15 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:29:35am

Politico guy on Mornin' Joe is talking about a possible Coakley loss. Last week he said no chance. I've read some more about her prosecutor days and I'm really hoping she loses. She's an opportunistic dirtbag.

16 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:33:14am

re: #15 RogueOne

Politico guy on Mornin' Joe is talking about a possible Coakley loss. Last week he said no chance. I've read some more about her prosecutor days and I'm really hoping she loses. She's an opportunistic dirtbag.

She also seems rather stupid.

17 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:34:27am

re: #15 RogueOne

re: #16 MandyManners

Who is this Coakley you speak of?

/checking.

18 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:37:05am

re: #16 MandyManners

She kept a man in prison that she had to know was innocent for 3 additional years. Even the parole board knew the guy was innocent. IMHO, she should have to spend a couple years in a state prison before anyone even speaks to her again.

19 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:37:35am

re: #17 laZardo

re: #16 MandyManners

Who is this Coakley you speak of?

/checking.

A Democrat running for the Senate from Massachusetts.

20 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:37:57am

re: #18 RogueOne

She kept a man in prison that she had to know was innocent for 3 additional years. Even the parole board knew the guy was innocent. IMHO, she should have to spend a couple years in a state prison before anyone even speaks to her again.

What's up with that?

21 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:38:33am

re: #16 MandyManners

Wish I remembered what thread contained your "well, lets just hang the bitch" quote. Even though it was about someone else it seems fitting for ms. coakley//

22 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:39:20am

The magnitude of the unfolding disaster in Haiti is breathtaking. With scores of thousands already dead and the stench of death filling the air, and with the infrastructure so devastated that the aid cannot be delivered, there are now very real fears that the casualty figures may be about to grow exponentially.
Thousands remain trapped and buried in the rubble.
Thousands of injuries remain untreated.
No running water, bodies piled up unburied, no functioning sewage system, hospitals destroyed, medicine in short supply, critical shortages of food and fresh water - hell on earth.
The potential for mass starvation, plague and mass rioting is rising by the hour.

All eyes are now turned expectantly to America in growing desperation and with thinly suppressed anger at the delay in the immediate delivery of Haiti's salvation, as if America had divine powers.
I will not be surprised if, despite all its generous and heroic efforts, America and Americans end up being blamed and vilified for everything bad and thanked for almost nothing.

Depressing doesn't even come close to describing the situation.

23 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:41:46am

re: #20 MandyManners

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

and...

[Link: www.politico.com...]

24 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:41:47am

re: #22 Spare O'Lake

All eyes are now turned expectantly to America in growing desperation and with thinly suppressed anger at the delay in the immediate delivery of Haiti's salvation, as if America had divine powers.
I will not be surprised if, despite all its generous and heroic efforts, America and Americans end up being blamed and vilified for everything bad and thanked for almost nothing.

Depressing doesn't even come close to describing the situation.

That's why I've stopped hoping. Feels good, man.

25 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:44:04am

Jimmy Kimmel wrecked Leno last night. They just showed the clips on Morning Joe, I'd love to find the entire bit online. I love Kimmel.

26 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:45:41am

re: #25 RogueOne

TaDA!

[Link: www.thejaylenoshow.com...]

27 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:45:45am

re: #22 Spare O'Lake

As I've said before, I've always assumed America does what it does to save lives, not win a popularity contest. If people feel the need to put down America because their own country either couldn't or wouldn't step up, that's their issue not America's. I'm happy to know that my country's soliders, sailors and air crews will yet again be serving along aside America's.

28 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:46:40am

re: #26 RogueOne

That isn't it damnit. They tricked me, it's only a 30 second clip.

29 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:48:34am

[Link: www.thejaylenoshow.com...]

OK, Here it is. It's the 5th segment, 30 mins in.

30 freetoken  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:48:39am

re: #22 Spare O'Lake

I've used the term "Lord of the Flies" to describe what could happen if water and sanitation isn't restored in the 24 hours or so.

Good news is that the US Marines are very good at taking control, and the US Army will likely take a great deal of air ops and materiel coming from North America.

It is easy to feel resentment in return for what appears to be ingratitude among some of those who are being helped... but I do believe that humans are the same everywhere, and any anger being vented at the US is probably a form of displacement, or reassignment, of emotions from someone who might hurt them (their own government) or others, to an object (the US) the beleaguered feel confident won't harm them.

31 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:49:06am

Sorry to post and run but the car pool will be here any second. I'll drop by in an hour or so.

32 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:50:14am

re: #31 McSpiff

Cheers man.

33 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:50:51am

re: #30 freetoken

I'm expecting a 'failed state' scenario either way. The Marines will probably end up securing the border with the Dominicans.

34 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:54:01am

re: #23 RogueOne

I couldn't get the Examiner article but, from what I read in the Politico article I'm stunned. Raw, grasping power.

Good thing the Supreme Court shut her down in Melendez-Diaz. She essentially said that juries should not be able to evaluate all the evidence.

35 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:55:15am

John Yoo interview with the Politico about his bit on The Daily Show:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

36 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:56:50am

re: #24 laZardo

That's why I've stopped hoping. Feels good, man.

Sometimes you worry me, son.

37 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:58:03am

re: #36 Spare O'Lake

Sometimes you worry me, son.

Fugeddabahdit.

38 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:59:36am

re: #34 MandyManners

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

Martha Coakley, the current Massachusetts Attorney General, is not fit to be a United States Senator. Anyone who thinks so only needs to study the Fells Acres Day Care case. The Fells Acres Day Care was started by Violet Amirault and run with the help of her son, Gerald, and his sister, Cheryl Amirault LeFave. In the midst of the daycare sex abuse hysteria of the 1980s, all three were charged with multiple counts of sexual abuse.
....
Rather than go through the entire story of the trials and imprisonment of the Amirault family, I recommend reading some of the many articles readily available on the internet, or watch the following video.
......
When Martha Coakley became district attorney of Middlesex County in 1999, the Amiraults were still in the news. But by this time hardly anyone believed they were guilty of the horrendous crimes they were alleged to have committed. In fact there was no evidence that anyone had abused any children in the Fells Acres Day Care.

But what did Martha Coakley do when the Parole Board voted unanimously (5-0) to pardon Gerald Amirault? She did everything in her power to see that he stayed in prison, including sending an assistant DA to oppose his release at the hearing. Coakley also went on talk shows to spout her views about his guilt.
.....
A letter to the editor of the Boston Herald by Margaret Hagen, a professor of psychology at Boston University and author of the book, Whores of the Court, sums up the case against Martha Coakley.

"The cynical manipulation by the Middlesex County prosecutor's office of the child witnesses against Gerald Amirault who are now young adults makes it depressingly clear that the office of prosecutor is intended by its occupants to serve their political ambitions and not the cause of justice ("Amirault victims come out of hiding to keep him jailed," Aug. 3). Martha Coakley and her cohorts and precursors know full well that children who were 3, 4 and 5 years old at the time of the Fells Acres trials some 15 years ago - 15 years filled with constant reassertions by prosecutors and parents of the validity of the original claims - do not, cannot and will not ever be able to have untainted memories of their experiences. Hauling these innocent young people out for a press conference was disgraceful.

These children were victims of politically ambitious and woefully ignorant prosecutors who chose to disregard the coercive interrogations by the inexperienced graduate student assigned to dig the "truth" out of the children, to ignore bizarre claims that defied all rationality (e.g. sodomy with lobsters and knives) and to close their eyes to the utter lack of substantiating physical evidence.".

39 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:01:55am

re: #38 RogueOne

I have to give her credit for knowing how to play the political game. Especially with the even more prevalent fear of sex offenders and pedophiles.

40 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:02:05am

re: #38 RogueOne

Links within the story:

[Link: www.cyberussr.com...]

[Link: www.cyberussr.com...]

[Link: www.rickross.com...]

and the video he mentioned:

41 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:02:34am

Gotta run, brb.

42 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:02:55am

re: #41 RogueOne

k later.

43 srb1976  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:03:57am

Morning! Coffee anyone?

44 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:10:42am

re: #38 RogueOne

To be fair, we know now with 20-20 hindsight that recovered-memory therapy is not accurate and Coakley was not involved in the original prosecutions. And, it was her duty as a prosecutor to represent the state in the parole hearing and, since he was found guilty, she had to proceed under that fact.

45 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:11:00am

re: #43 srb1976

Morning! Coffee anyone?

Done did.

46 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:19:00am

Union health plans won't be taxed?

47 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:22:55am

re: #46 MandyManners

Union health plans won't be taxed?


some are more equal than others...

48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:23:35am

re: #46 MandyManners

It appears, they cut a deal. At least until 2013.

I just can't figure out what's significant about 2013. It's not the Mayan Calendar thing is it?

49 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:24:27am

re: #47 rwdflynavy

some are more equal than others...

And, it was done in the dead of night.

50 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:24:35am

re: #46 MandyManners

Union health plans won't be taxed?

Get thee into a union or get thee Amish...

51 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:25:08am

re: #48 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It appears, they cut a deal. At least until 2013.

I just can't figure out what's significant about 2013. It's not the Mayan Calendar thing is it?

That's a year earlier. You must be thinking of the election the previous November.

52 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:26:14am

re: #50 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Get thee into a union or get thee Amish...

Some idiot on Fox is arguing that union jobs are more dangerous than others. Yeah. I reckon being a unionized teacher requires a bullet-proof vest.

53 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:26:17am

re: #51 MandyManners

The concentrated energy of a mass conservative head explosion could possibly have an apocalyptic effect...

54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:26:23am

re: #51 MandyManners

That's a year earlier. You must be thinking of the election the previous November.

Oh, of course not. That would be a cynical outlook.

55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:29:44am

re: #49 MandyManners

And, it was done in the dead of night.

Wow. Guess they thought no one would notice with the big news going on from Haiti?

56 freetoken  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:30:28am

re: #53 laZardo

E=mc2

57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:30:44am

re: #43 srb1976

Good morning to you, also. Yes please, just a little sugar. Enough to knock the edge off, but not too sweet.

59 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:31:54am

re: #53 laZardo

The concentrated energy of a mass conservative head explosion could possibly have an apocalyptic effect...

Why would conservatives' heads explode?

60 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:32:48am

re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, of course not. That would be a cynical outlook.

And we all know there's not a scintilla of cynicism at LGF.

61 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:33:52am

re: #59 MandyManners

Why would conservatives' heads explode?

Not sure. Probably some mass debunking of something, or perhaps a new leftist party suddenly making an electoral impact.

62 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:33:57am

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wow. Guess they thought no one would notice with the big news going on from Haiti?

I could imagine crazed moonbats such as David Icke and Alex Jones saying the earthquake was created by BHO.

63 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:34:15am

re: #61 laZardo

Not sure. Probably some mass debunking of something, or perhaps a new leftist party suddenly making an electoral impact.

Oh.

64 freetoken  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:35:59am

re: #62 MandyManners

Well, his fans are already laying the blame on HAARP.

65 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:36:28am

How clogged are the streets? I reckon they'll use helicopters. Let's hope no one decides to take shots at them.

66 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:37:36am

re: #64 freetoken

Well, his fans are already laying the blame on HAARP.

I reckon chem trails need a little help!

*face-palm*

67 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:38:09am

RAHM, YOU MAGINIFICENT BASTARD!

68 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:38:34am

re: #67 MandyManners

*whack*

69 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:40:20am

North Korea says it's gonna' start a holy war against South Korea.

I thought it was an atheist nation.

70 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:41:19am

re: #69 MandyManners

Kim Il-sung is pretty much their god.

/and Kim Jong-il is their prophet

71 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:41:58am

re: #70 laZardo

Kim Il-sung is pretty much their god.

/and Kim Jong-il is their prophet

What is it about short men?

72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:42:27am

re: #69 MandyManners

North Korea says it's gonna' start a holy war against South Korea.

I thought it was an atheist nation.

I know some devout Atheists.

73 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:42:54am

Oh, no. Iron Chef used stunt veggies from the White House. Where's the garden transparency?!!!

74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:44:09am

re: #60 MandyManners

And we all know there's not a scintilla of cynicism at LGF.

But they're right about one thing. They sure are being transparent.

75 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:44:24am

How will all the money that was donated through texting be collected? Through the donors' cell phone bills?

76 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:44:37am

re: #46 MandyManners

Union health plans won't be taxed?


False.

"Under the bill passed last month by the Senate, the federal government would have imposed a 40 percent tax on the value of employer-sponsored health coverage exceeding $8,500 a year for an individual and $23,000 for a family. The tax would have taken effect in 2013. White House officials, Democratic Congressional leaders and labor unions said Thursday that they had agreed to an increase in those thresholds to $8,900 for an individual and $24,000 for a family. Moreover, they said, starting in 2015, the cost of separate coverage for dental and vision care would be excluded from the calculations."

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

77 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:44:38am

re: #74 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But they're right about one thing. They sure are being transparent.

As mud.

78 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:46:13am

re: #49 MandyManners

And, it was done in the dead of night.

It was a dead night - dark and mysterious, filled with cigar smoke, whiskey, and naked women.

79 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:46:48am

re: #76 Jeff In Ohio

So, taxation will go into effect in 2018?

health plans covering state and local government employees and collectively bargained health plans would be exempt from the tax until 2018. This transition period addresses the concerns of schoolteachers and other public employees who have denounced the tax.

For people in certain high-risk occupations, including police officers and construction workers, thresholds would be higher: as high as $27,000 for a family.

In addition, Mr. Trumka, who led a team of labor leaders negotiating with the White House, said the thresholds would be increased for “age and gender,” to reflect the higher premiums often charged for health plans with large numbers of women, older workers and retirees.

SNIP

80 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:47:06am

re: #78 Jeff In Ohio

It was a dead night - dark and mysterious, filled with cigar smoke, whiskey, and naked women.

Pelosi was naked?

81 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:47:29am

re: #75 MandyManners

How will all the money that was donated through texting be collected? Through the donors' cell phone bills?

Will the cell phone carriers get a dime?

82 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:48:08am

re: #80 MandyManners

Pelosi was naked?

/liberal application of eye bleach

83 SteveC  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49:02am

Good Morning, LGF!

84 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49:51am

re: #55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wow. Guess they thought no one would notice with the big news going on from Haiti?

WHITE HOUSE, LABOR STRIKE PRELIMINARY DEAL....

Time stamp: 4:45pm.

Shush, it's a big secret!

85 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:52:15am

re: #83 SteveC

Best wake-up sound ever.

86 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:54:15am

re: #80 MandyManners

Pelosi was naked?

Excuse me while I gouge out my eyes.

87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:55:03am

re: #84 Jeff In Ohio

Oh, okay. So the timing is simply coincidence. I'll buy that. They've been negotiating this for a while.

So, it was going to hit in 2013 now it will hit in 2018?

I don't disagree that they are going to have to raise taxes to pay for Healthcare reform. How many people were removed from the pool with this deal?

So, will the people paying have to pay even more? If not, where they gonna get the money that the unions artfully dodged?

88 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:56:00am

When darkness fell over earthquake-ravaged Port-au-Prince on Wednesday, residents reported hearing gunfire. That was hardly a surprise: in Haiti, during emergencies — natural or political — gunshots can be as ubiquitous a sound at night as barking dogs, with armed gangs taking over the streets. One of their favorite chants is "Rat pa kaka" — Creole for, "Not even the rats shit here without our permission."

As Haitian and international officials try to coordinate an effective relief response to what is probably the worst disaster to ever hit the western hemisphere's poorest country, they'll need to be mindful of the human rats that come out of the capital's woodwork at times like these. Before the Jan. 12 quake, a revived Haitian police force and the U.N.'s Stabilization Mission in Haiti (MINUSTAH) were finally confronting the violent gangs of Port-au-Prince. But with so many Haitian police and U.N. peacekeepers either killed or injured in the temblor — and with some 1,000 prisoners reportedly on the loose after the Port-au-Prince prison crumbled — criminal bands from poor neighborhood nests like Cité Soleil and La Saline are almost certain to try to exploit the security void. "

SNIP

89 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:59:22am

Haiti's Port-au-Prince airport, now critical for the quick delivery of supplies and aid, was an uncontrolled "mess" when the Air Force arrived Wednesday night to rehabilitate the facility, according to the commander of one of the Air Force's elite special operations units send to Haiti.

One of the biggest problems early on was that for more than a day after the earthquake, the airport was in disarray, Lt. Col. Brett Nelson said. Planes landed and parked just about anywhere.

"When we initially established airfield control last night, that followed 24 hours of uncontrolled activity," Nelson said.

The situation forced delays for arriving aircraft Thursday. At one point, Nelson said, there were 44 planes parked at the airport, but only two fuel trucks to refuel the planes and two tow carts for moving the planes.

One very large plane was on the tarmac in need of more fuel and it took more than six hours to get that plane out of the way.

The airport, used to handling about 25 flights daily, had 74 flights on Wednesday and 55 flights by midafternoon on Thursday, CNN's Chris Lawrence reported from the airport.

SNIP

The Air Force's 23rd Special Tactics Squadron is part of the Air Force equivalent of the Navy SEALS or the Army's Delta Force.

Nelson said the squadron flew into Haiti Wednesday night from its headquarters at Hurlburt Field, Florida. The squadron's main mission was to re-establish an air traffic control system at Haiti's biggest airport.

SNIP

90 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:59:29am

re: #44 MandyManners

To be fair, we know now with 20-20 hindsight that recovered-memory therapy is not accurate and Coakley was not involved in the original prosecutions. And, it was her duty as a prosecutor to represent the state in the parole hearing and, since he was found guilty, she had to proceed under that fact.

By the time it went to the parole board everyone knew they were innocent. She kept that man in prison to use as a springboard for her political career. If I believed in hell, I would hope there's a special place for prosecutors who do that to people. I can't imagine what man went through in prison where ChoMo's (child molesters) get beaten, raped, and killed.

91 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:59:33am

Why left-wing students should not support boycotts of Israel

The Alliance for Workers Liberty has produced a cogent argument for opposing the ‘Boycott Israel’ campaign from a Trotskyist-left-wing perspective. It supports a two-state solution as a means of guaranteeing self-determination for both nations. The argument calls for more constructive solidarity and the promotion of cooperation between the Palestinian and Israeli working class and progressive movements. It explains why the “apartheid” analogy is plain wrong when applied to Israel and explains the differences in outcomes and effects between the the current boycott call and past boycotts of South Africa. It concludes that a boycott of Israel will in fact be counter-productive, and profoundly damaging to the cause of Palestinian liberation.

While I’m sure that both the pro-boycott crowd and some supporters of Israel will find much to disagree with, it is well worth a read.

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

92 SteveC  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:59:54am

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, will the people paying have to pay even more? If not, where they gonna get the money that the unions artfully dodged?

Brad & Angelina are donating a million dollars to assist in Haiti, citizen. You should welcome your opportunity to give until it hurts.

///

93 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:01:08am

re: #79 MandyManners

So, taxation will go into effect in 2018?

I haven't look at the details and what they mean, but yes, the way I read it, a tax on state and collectively bargained health care plans would not go into effect till 2018.

94 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:01:55am

re: #84 Jeff In Ohio

WHITE HOUSE, LABOR STRIKE PRELIMINARY DEAL...

Time stamp: 4:45pm.

Shush, it's a big secret!

You didn't know about it until 10 mins ago. How many people out there do you think are really paying attention the last couple of days to the health care debate? Besides people in Nebraska that is.

95 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:02:09am

re: #88 MandyManners

Give it a couple months. It'll be just like Somalia.

96 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:02:18am

Ah, hell. Gonna get me a drink.

97 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:02:18am

re: #90 RogueOne

By the time it went to the parole board everyone knew they were innocent. She kept that man in prison to use as a springboard for her political career. If I believed in hell, I would hope there's a special place for prosecutors who do that to people. I can't imagine what man went through in prison where ChoMo's (child molesters) get beaten, raped, and killed.

He was still guilty in the eyes of the law no matter what anyone knew.

I'm more concerned about her insistence that juries don't get to examine all the evidence and hear from crime-scene technicians.

98 freetoken  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:02:39am

re: #88 MandyManners

It's my understanding that 2000 US Marines are being dispatched and should arrive shortly. I assume their mission will be to protect aid workers and US personnel.

It will be up to the Haitian leader to decide if he wants to give the US forces greater authority. I wonder if he would do that, say through an OAS agreement.

The UN contingent was about 9000 I believe, already there, many Brazilian military. I suppose Haiti could go to the security council and ask for that number to be greatly increased. Even if approved, getting additional military there will take time.

99 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:03:10am

re: #93 Jeff In Ohio

I haven't look at the details and what they mean, but yes, the way I read it, a tax on state and collectively bargained health care plans would not go into effect till 2018.

So, who will make up the difference? The "rich"? Non-unionized workers?

100 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:03:22am

re: #91 Jimmah

Why left-wing students should not support boycotts of Israel


[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Fucking bunch of Brit anti-Semites can all go fuck themselves.

101 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:04:23am

re: #98 freetoken

Three thousand from 82nd Airborne Division are on the way.

102 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:04:57am

re: #100 Spare O'Lake

Fucking bunch of Brit anti-Semites can all go fuck themselves.

Got your dander up, eh?

103 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:05:33am

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, okay. So the timing is simply coincidence. I'll buy that. They've been negotiating this for a while.

So, it was going to hit in 2013 now it will hit in 2018?

I don't disagree that they are going to have to raise taxes to pay for Healthcare reform. How many people were removed from the pool with this deal?

So, will the people paying have to pay even more? If not, where they gonna get the money that the unions artfully dodged?

Good questions. I've just been skimming the morning news and haven't seen any analysis of the overall meaning. I heard one NPR report saying it was a $60B (?...I was half asleep making coffee, explaninging HIV to my 11 year old who has a health test today, but I think that's what I heard) gift to the Unions and of course, that money is going to have to be accounted for somewhere.

Which is not good, but not quite as sexy as the tax being eliminated for unions in the dead of night.

104 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:06:45am

re: #97 MandyManners

He was still guilty in the eyes of the law no matter what anyone knew.

I'm more concerned about her insistence that juries don't get to examine all the evidence and hear from crime-scene technicians.

By the time the mans parole hearing came up everyone knew a mistake had been made. Her job was to take "justice" into consideration.

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:07:08am

re: #103 Jeff In Ohio

I still think it is a pretty sexy smoke filled backroom payoff to the boys club without regard to night nor Haiti.

HALIBURTON!

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:07:37am

re: #103 Jeff In Ohio

Very honest and open response, BTW. Thanks Jeff.

107 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:09:23am

re: #94 RogueOne

You didn't know about it until 10 mins ago. How many people out there do you think are really paying attention the last couple of days to the health care debate? Besides people in Nebraska that is.

I'm not sure how you know what I know, and why the timing makes a difference, but I read about it t the WM blog yesterday during our nightly Knight Rider love fest.

Off to get the kids to school.

108 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:11:00am

re: #98 freetoken

The former prime minister was on CNN last night. According to him Haiti doesn't have any choice and that the recovery efforts were going to have to be led by an international consortium. He also said none of the money being sent should go directly to the Haitian government but to whatever international body they decide is going to do the rebuilding. He didn't seem to have any faith at all in the abilities of the Haitian government.

109 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:11:18am

re: #100 Spare O'Lake

Fucking bunch of Brit anti-Semites can all go fuck themselves.

This is in response to an article arguing against boycotting Israel, as posted in a British, pro Israel blog?

110 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:13:57am

re: #104 RogueOne

By the time the mans parole hearing came up everyone knew a mistake had been made. Her job was to take "justice" into consideration.

Her job was to take the state's position which was that he was guilty.

111 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:14:28am

re: #102 MandyManners

Got your dander up, eh?

Reasoning with ethnic or religious haters of any stripe is generally a colossal waste of time and effort. And appealing to an anti-Semite on the basis of some pretended interest on their part in peace between Jews and Arabs is to ignore the essential defining interest of the anti-Semite...Jew-hatred, plain and simple.

112 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:15:20am

Poll shocker: Scott Brown surges ahead in Senate race

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

Riding a wave of opposition to Democratic health-care reform, GOP upstart Scott Brown is leading in the U.S. Senate race, raising the odds of a historic upset that would reverberate all the way to the White House, a new poll shows.

Although Brown’s 4-point lead over Democrat Martha Coakley is within the Suffolk University/7News survey’s margin of error, the underdog’s position at the top of the results stunned even pollster David Paleologos.

“It’s a Brown-out,” said Paleologos, director of Suffolk’s Political Research Center. “It’s a massive change in the political landscape.”

113 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:16:40am

re: #111 Spare O'Lake

Reasoning with ethnic or religious haters of any stripe is generally a colossal waste of time and effort. And appealing to an anti-Semite on the basis of some pretended interest on their part in peace between Jews and Arabs is to ignore the essential defining interest of the anti-Semite...Jew-hatred, plain and simple.

What you said.

114 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:16:55am

Oops. Look at the time.

115 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:18:43am

re: #109 Jimmah

This is in response to an article arguing against boycotting Israel, as posted in a British, pro Israel blog?

I'm talking about the fact that those who favour the boycott are nothing but a bunch of fucking, no-good, scum-sucking anti-Semites. Trying to reason with them or appealing to their non-existent better natures is like trying to reason with a Nazi or the KKK.

116 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:20:36am

re: #110 MandyManners

Her job was to take the state's position which was that he was guilty.

We're just going to disagree with this one.

I don't think it's the states responsibility to keep a man they know is innocent in prison. Even if I give them the benefit of the doubt when they convicted him (which I don't), there isn't any way she did not know this man was innocent by the time she pushed to keep him in prison.

117 SteveC  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:21:54am

But it's OUR turn now, right? RIGHT?

(Subtitled: We'll all be DOOMED!)

After a resounding Democratic Presidential election win, a terrible recession, and a bruising year of politics, it would be just like America that a crazy election result torpedoes the health care reform bill. It would be the first Republican Senator win in 43 years in Massachusetts, a state that’s bluer than blue, and the actual seat being elected on Tuesday hasn’t been won by a Republican since 1947! But it’s becoming more and more possible, and the latest polls are all over the map.

Let’s play out what happens if we go back to a 59–41 Senate. The current Senate rules basically allow the minority to shut down proceedings. Harry Reid has in fact performed miracles to keep Lieberman, Nelson and some of the rest on board. Obama, Reid & Pelosi are now working the deal out with the unions and all the rest to make sure that what’s a pretty slim majority in the House will essentially accept the Senate bill—with some sop to the unions on the “Excise tax”. There are some other technicalities about the Exchange et al, but in the end we have a fair idea of what’s going to be the result.

Unless…

118 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:23:26am

re: #111 Spare O'Lake

Reasoning with ethnic or religious haters of any stripe is generally a colossal waste of time and effort. And appealing to an anti-Semite on the basis of some pretended interest on their part in peace between Jews and Arabs is to ignore the essential defining interest of the anti-Semite...Jew-hatred, plain and simple.

A genuine anti-semite probably wouldn't be interested in the idea of peace between the Jews and anyone, so that would be a tough sell if one were speaking only to a 'bunch of anti-semites'.

To suggest that everyone on the left who supports the idea of peace in the middle east (a category which includes, among other things, a great many Jews) is an anti-semite is ludicrous.

119 SteveC  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:26:25am

re: #118 Jimmah

Good Morning, Jimmah!

Don't think I've had the chance to congratulate you yet, man! :)

120 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:26:59am

Lieberman continues to beat down Reid. The best thing that could happen to the dems would be for Reid to retire to "spend more time with his family".

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Harry Reid can't get past Joe Lieberman flap

Harry Reid put out a polite 34-word statement about Joe Lieberman on Thursday in the hopes of quelling the controversy over a report that Reid had accused Lieberman of double-crossing him on health care.

But Lieberman had other ideas.

Forty minutes after Reid’s e-mail hit reporters’ inboxes, Lieberman blasted out a message of his own. While Reid had said only that he enjoyed an “open and honest” relationship with Lieberman, the Connecticut independent went further — claiming that Reid had denied a New York Times account of a private conversation in which Reid allegedly accused Lieberman of betrayal.

But Reid’s staff has neither confirmed nor denied the Times’s account, despite requests for comment by POLITICO.

121 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:30:00am

re: #115 Spare O'Lake

I'm talking about the fact that those who favour the boycott are nothing but a bunch of fucking, no-good, scum-sucking anti-Semites. Trying to reason with them or appealing to their non-existent better natures is like trying to reason with a Nazi or the KKK.

For some that is true. But what you said came across like the old knee jerk 'Brit=anti-semite' baloney that used to be popular around here in certain quarters.

122 SteveC  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:30:13am

re: #120 RogueOne

Lieberman continues to beat down Reid. The best thing that could happen to the dems would be for Reid to retire to "spend more time with his family".

Heh! You don't get to be candidate for Vice President without knowing how to play this game.

*Ghost of JFK whispers the name "Joe Biden" in my ear*

OK, I take that back. You usually don't get to be candidate for Vice President without knowing how to play this game.

123 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:30:32am

re: #118 Jimmah

A genuine anti-semite probably wouldn't be interested in the idea of peace between the Jews and anyone, so that would be a tough sell if one were speaking only to a 'bunch of anti-semites'.

To suggest that everyone on the left who supports the idea of peace in the middle east (a category which includes, among other things, a great many Jews) is an anti-semite is ludicrous.

I think that depends on what they consider "peace". I think there are more than a few people who are pushing the whole process with the intent of actually destroying the state of Israel. What other reason would there be for the continual argument over the "right of return"? I'm not saying they're all arguing from a dishonest position but I think quite a few of them are.

124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:30:58am

re: #120 RogueOne

Lieberman continues to beat down Reid. The best thing that could happen to the dems would be for Reid to retire to "spend more time with his family".

[Link: www.politico.com...]

I'm guessing Reid's family disagrees vehemently.

125 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:35:47am

re: #118 Jimmah

You suddenly dropped the subject of the boycott...nice try.
The British academics who support the boycott, and any Brit who enables them with their gutless failure to call them what they really are, are all beneath contempt.
*spit*

126 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:37:03am

TNR coverage of the Union Health Care payoff:

[Link: www.tnr.com...]

On the other hand, the tax--as originally written--wouldn't have started until 2013 anyway. And exempting union health benefits from the tax, even for a few more years, would mean collecting substantially less revenue.

As currently written in the Senate bill, the tax is expected to generate around $150 billion. With this new changes, labor leaders say, it will raise approximately $90 billion. If that figure is correct--and it may not be, as administration officials said they were waiting to see how the Joint Committee on Taxation scored it--it would the administration and its allies would have to find another $60 billion in offsetting revenue just to make up for the loss.

To be sure, is not hard to find such money. Expanding the Medicare payroll tax, so that wealthy taxpayers pay a levy on their investment income, is one possibility. Asking the drug, hospital, and insurance industries to give up more revenue is another.

127 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:37:12am

re: #121 Jimmah

For some that is true. But what you said came across like the old knee jerk 'Brit=anti-semite' baloney that used to be popular around here in certain quarters.

I have no time for your back-biting bullshit.
Piss off.

128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:37:29am

re: #125 Spare O'Lake

Did you know that you un-clicked avatar looks like a set of those chattering teeth or a set of dentures?

Little off topic, but I don't know what the other stuff is you're talking about.

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:38:24am

re: #126 RogueOne

Hey thanks! I asked that question not a half hour ago!

130 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:39:13am

re: #128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did you know that you un-clicked avatar looks like a set of those chattering teeth or a set of dentures?

Little off topic, but I don't know what the other stuff is you're talking about.

Heh. Thanks, I needed that.
Gotta run.

131 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:40:48am

Mornin lizards.

132 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:40:58am

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

An Arkansas man pleaded guilty Thursday to conspiring in 2008 to kill dozens of African-Americans, including Barack Obama, who was then a U.S. senator and running for president.

Under a plea agreement with prosecutors, 19-year-old Paul Schlesselman faces 10 years in prison for the crimes, which also included illegal transport of firearms.

In a federal court hearing in Memphis, Mr. Schlesselman said that on Oct. 23, 2008, he threatened to kill Mr. Obama, who won the presidential election the following month. The threat allegedly was made in the presence of investigators, who had arrested Mr. Schlesselman and another man for weapons charges.

133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:43:52am

re: #132 RogueOne

Under the jail he goes...
(I wish upon wish; I hope against hope)

134 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:44:05am

re: #119 SteveC

Good Morning, Jimmah!

Don't think I've had the chance to congratulate you yet, man! :)

Thanks steve! I'm still buzzing over it all. Can't wait to get back to NYC and my ice-ski :)re: #123 RogueOne

I think that depends on what they consider "peace". I think there are more than a few people who are pushing the whole process with the intent of actually destroying the state of Israel. What other reason would there be for the continual argument over the "right of return"? I'm not saying they're all arguing from a dishonest position but I think quite a few of them are.

Yeah, I quite agree that there are some whose motives are suspect, and who see right of return as a stepping stone to getting rid of Israel altogether - but I know that isn't the case for all of them, by any means. There are of course others who 'support' Israel and oppose peace in the middle east because it fits with their macabre beliefs about the role of the destruction of Israel in bringing about God's end times plan - truly sick.

My position is that I support genuine moves towards peace and reconciliation in the area. I think it will take a long time, but I've seen entrenched bigotries that seemed insurmountable obstacles gradually lose their power before in other parts of the world, like Northern Ireland for example. It has to be possible in the middle east too - neither Israel nor Palestine are going away.

135 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:46:42am

If NYC bans the Reuben, sign me up for the revolution! Viva la Résistance!

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

Smack Is Bad, But the Crackdown Is on Salt

In 1935, New York Mayor Fiorello La Guardia celebrated Arnold Reuben's delicatessen, which created a La Guardia Cocktail for the occasion. Years before, Reuben's had arguably invented that most Manhattanesque of delicacies, the sandwich bearing the restaurant's name. But times change. New York's oh-so-modern mayor, Michael Bloomberg, has effectively declared war on the Reuben, that classic compound of salt-cured beef and brine-basted cabbage (not to mention Swiss cheese, Russian dressing and toasted rye). What we see as a sandwich, the mayor sees as a sodium bomb aimed at the hearts of the city's frail citizenry.

This week, the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene announced an ambitious new campaign to strip our diets of excess salt. Among the myriad foods targeted are "deli-meat sandwiches" that "pack [the daily limit of] sodium in one serving." The thought of New York attacking the venerable deli-meat sandwich brings a salty tear to the eye.

I don't understand why there isn't a statue of Mr. Reuben in times square. He's a true american hero damnit!

136 TampaKnight  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:48:22am

I just read an article about how U.S. drones are already in flight over Haiti and have transmitted back over 400 reports on topography, building damage, resource allocation, etc.

Basically our Air Force and Navy drones have done assessments that would take human crews days, if not weeks, to complete....and this is before those teams have even landed in Haiti.

Pretty awesome.

137 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:49:32am

re: #136 TampaKnight

I just read an article about how U.S. drones are already in flight over Haiti and have transmitted back over 400 reports on topography, building damage, resource allocation, etc.

Basically our Air Force and Navy drones have done assessments that would take human crews days, if not weeks, to complete...and this is before those teams have even landed in Haiti.

Pretty awesome.

All those people complaining about Predator drone strikes half a world away need to realize that technology has a double edge. I think this is a fantastic success for the UAV program.

138 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:50:40am

And for today's not so normal commie news:

Cuba Agrees to U.S. Medevac Flights

WASHINGTON — The United States has struck an agreement with the Cuban government to send medical evacuation flights with victims from the Haiti earthquake through restricted Cuban airspace, an official said, reducing the flight time to Miami by 90 minutes.

SNIP

Nothing bad I can say about this one to be honest.

139 TampaKnight  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:52:16am

re: #137 thedopefishlives

All those people complaining about Predator drone strikes half a world away need to realize that technology has a double edge. I think this is a fantastic success for the UAV program.

Drone strikes have given us a huge, huge leg up in the fight against terrorist cells and insurgent combatants. Not only can they fly for 26-28 hours striaght, and not only can they provide 24 hour surveillance, but now that they are armed these drones can execute airstrikes and take out targets without having a single U.S. soldier in the area.

140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:52:36am

I fucking HATE these conversations! Friend asked some advice on her kitchen since I am a professional kitchen guy. Then has argued with me on my advice. So I just sent her this reply email.

Don't feel alone. Everybody asks my advice then goes against it.

People always know more than "the guy". I stopped taking it personally years ago.

So, I'll use my finishing phrase, "Okay. I am really impressed with your abilities."

heh another phrase I use when I am in an engineers house, "Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig. A half hour later, you're exhausted, your sweaty, your sore and you look up and see the pig's been enjoying it the whole time."

141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:53:05am

re: #139 TampaKnight

Drone strikes have given us a huge, huge leg up in the fight against terrorist cells and insurgent combatants. Not only can they fly for 26-28 hours striaght, and not only can they provide 24 hour surveillance, but now that they are armed these drones can execute airstrikes and take out targets without having a single U.S. soldier in the area.

They don't need to stop and pee either.

142 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:53:38am

Morning everyone.

143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:55:38am

re: #142 Mad Al-Jaffee

Sup?

144 TampaKnight  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:55:42am

re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They don't need to stop and pee either.

What's funny is that the operating pilot (usually sitting in Nevada) DOES have a backup operator to fill in when he has to go to the bathroom or has an emergency.

145 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:56:07am

re: #125 Spare O'Lake

You suddenly dropped the subject of the boycott...nice try.

*spit*

No, you didn't identify that specific group initially. This is all you said:

Fucking bunch of Brit anti-Semites can all go fuck themselves.

For the record, I think that those who support the boycott are wrong, that is the point of the article I posted.

146 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:56:19am

re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I fucking HATE these conversations! Friend asked some advice on her kitchen since I am a professional kitchen guy. Then has argued with me on my advice. So I just sent her this reply email.

As an engineering student, nothing pisses me off more than the guys in my class who assume that after 4 years they know more than the techs and trades guys we work with. I know next to nothing, and I've learned a hell of a lot more from those guys than most lectures....

147 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:58:17am

re: #146 McSpiff

As an engineering student, nothing pisses me off more than the guys in my class who assume that after 4 years they know more than the techs and trades guys we work with. I know next to nothing, and I've learned a hell of a lot more from those guys than most lectures...

It's worse in software engineering because you have all the hotshot, fresh out of college kids who think that just because they got straight A's while LAN-partying through school, that means they can program anything perfectly the first time in their sleep. I'll admit it; I was a bit overconfident myself when I first jumped into the business. I paid for it by getting let go from my first job.

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:59:25am

re: #146 McSpiff

She emails me through facebook and asks some advice. I gave her advice than she emails me back hedging on my advice. Then I email her back saying, "Okay, whatever". Then she hits me with, "My husbands an engineer"... as soon as I hear the word engineer? I walk.

Fuckin' hate younger engineers. Many older ones are fine. But their wives are worse. "My husband is an engineer" is a phrase meaning, "you're an idiot husband can walk on water 'cause he knows how to freeze it and you don't".

149 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:59:33am

re: #143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sup?

Got into work about half an hour ago, pissed off at the DC Metro again.

150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:00:17am

re: #149 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hmmm. Must be Friday.

151 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:00:44am

re: #147 thedopefishlives

It's worse in software engineering because you have all the hotshot, fresh out of college kids who think that just because they got straight A's while LAN-partying through school, that means they can program anything perfectly the first time in their sleep. I'll admit it; I was a bit overconfident myself when I first jumped into the business. I paid for it by getting let go from my first job.

Computer engineering here. I deal with hot shot programmers using soldering irons.

152 stayfrosty  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:00:44am

The American Spectator: Report: Dems to Grant Special Exemption to Unions on "Cadillac Tax"

In their latest effort to pass a health care bill by any means necessary, Democrats have struck a "tentative deal" with their big labor allies to exempt union benefits from a tax on high value health care plans, CongressDaily reports.

The idea itself is nothing new. Back in June, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus floated the idea of shielding union benefits from the new tax, but it was set aside. In September, President Obama declined to take a clear position on this so-called "carve out." But now that the excise tax has become a sticking point in negotiations between the House and Senate -- and one that threatens to cost Democrats union support for the bill -- the exemption idea is evidently back in play.

If this policy is adopted, it would mean that there could be two Americans receiving the exact same benefits, but one American may be taxed and one wouldn't, and the only difference would be one of them being a member of a union. This is unseemly and unfair, even by the standards of Obamacare. It has nothing to do with policy-making. It's simply an outright bribe to a constituency that has contributed handily to Democratic campaigns.

153 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:02:23am

re: #150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

For the third time this week it took about 15 minutes to get from one station to the one I get off on. Should take about 3 minutes but it was delayed by a train ahead of us offloading.

154 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:02:53am

re: #151 McSpiff

Computer engineering here. I deal with hot shot programmers using soldering irons.

Love it. I don't get to wield the soldering iron very much these days.

155 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:03:03am

re: #127 Spare O'Lake

I have no time for your back-biting bullshit.
Piss off.

See, if this was just a simple misunderstanding about the range of people your initial comment was directed at, you'd have been able to clear it up without the sad little hissing fit you have put on here. It looks to me like you've just got some kind of general animosity towards the British. Or maybe it's just me.

156 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:03:57am

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She emails me through facebook and asks some advice. I gave her advice than she emails me back hedging on my advice. Then I email her back saying, "Okay, whatever". Then she hits me with, "My husbands an engineer"... as soon as I hear the word engineer? I walk.

Fuckin' hate younger engineers. Many older ones are fine. But their wives are worse. "My husband is an engineer" is a phrase meaning, "you're an idiot husband can walk on water 'cause he knows how to freeze it and you don't".

It really is the mindset of the schools I think. The entire thing is built around the idea that you're the smartest guy in the room if you can get through the program. Theres also what I refer to as the "King of the Nerds" mindset. Guys who were the bottom of the food change in high school suddenly find themselves the alpha male of their group. Leads to some power tripping and politics.

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04:32am

re: #153 Mad Al-Jaffee

For the third time this week it took about 15 minutes to get from one station to the one I get off on. Should take about 3 minutes but it was delayed by a train ahead of us offloading.

Yeah, but in DC you have a built in "Why I'm late" excuse.

158 TampaKnight  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:05:12am

re: #152 stayfrosty

The American Spectator: Report: Dems to Grant Special Exemption to Unions on "Cadillac Tax"

Wonderful. More entitlements to people who are unwilling to pay for them.

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:05:12am

re: #156 McSpiff

Abso-fuckin'-lutely.

160 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:05:40am

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, but in DC you have a built in "Why I'm late" excuse.

That doesn't matter - if I'm in late I have to work late to make up for it. I really need a new job.

161 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:06:34am

re: #156 McSpiff

It really is the mindset of the schools I think. The entire thing is built around the idea that you're the smartest guy in the room if you can get through the program. Theres also what I refer to as the "King of the Nerds" mindset. Guys who were the bottom of the food change in high school suddenly find themselves the alpha male of their group. Leads to some power tripping and politics.

Yeah, that basically sums it up nicely. Experience - and the big helpings of crow and humble pie that go along with it - really is the best teacher for fresh engineering grads. Once you get out in the field and see how things REALLY work, you tend to come down to earth a bit.

162 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:06:47am

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, but in DC you have a built in "Why I'm late" excuse.

Getting into DC from Virginia during rush hour sure can be fun!
/:/

163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:06:58am

re: #158 TampaKnight

Wonderful. More entitlements to people who fought for healthcare fairness for all but are unwilling to help pay for them.

Little snarky additions there.

164 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:07:22am
165 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:08:00am

Alleged police-torture victim freed
Man spent 23 years in prison for murder after he confessed to Chicago police detectives under direction of former Cmdr. Jon Burge


[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]


Freed Thursday after almost a quarter century behind bars, Michael Tillman said it "feels good," but he also had a grim prediction for the Chicago police detectives who allegedly tortured him into confessing.

"They'll get what they got coming," Tillman told reporters in the Cook County Criminal Courts Building. "The system will do to them what they did to me."

Tillman stood in borrowed clothes and nervously fidgeted with a black stocking cap as he addressed the news media moments after special prosecutors dropped charges against him for the 1986 slaying and rape of Betty Howard in an abandoned South Side apartment.

He is the latest longtime inmate to be freed because of allegations of torture by detectives under disgraced former Chicago police Cmdr. Jon Burge.

In court papers, special prosecutors brought in to handle the case said that if Tillman was retried, the state would be unable to disprove that the confession had been coerced. And there wasn't enough other reliable evidence to convict him of the murder, they said.
........
Taylor said the next step in Tillman's case will be to obtain a certificate of innocence -- similar to a pardon -- that would entitle him to nearly $200,000 in compensation from the state for his years in prison.

I wish he were right that the cops who put him in prison for 23 years will get what they have coming to them but we all know they won't. And, $200k for 23 years in prison? Not even close to adequate.

166 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:08:26am

re: #164 Mad Al-Jaffee

Chinese Government Cracks Down On Refills

gawd, I thought that was real!
LOL.

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:08:30am

re: #162 Varek Raith

Getting into DC from Virginia during rush hour sure can be fun!
/:/

I live in an area of 300,000 or so people. If I'm behind more than five cars at a light, I've got traffic problems.

My sister lives in NOVA. I feel y'all's pain.

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:09:17am

re: #164 Mad Al-Jaffee

Ah geez...

169 generalsparky  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:11:00am

re: #38 RogueOne

That is simply horrible. I hate talking bad about people but Coakley seems to be a real dirt bag.

170 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:11:48am

Global warming 'speeds' up gas emissions

Rising temperatures are not just a sign of climate change but are also a cause of it, a new study has suggested.

Higher temperatures on the surface of the earth are fuelling a further increase in emissions of methane, Edinburgh University experts found.

Methane is a greenhouse gas which is more potent than carbon dioxide.

The study indicated warmer temperatures in regions which were at higher latitudes increased methane - exacerbating global warming.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

171 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:12:27am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Latest updates are up on the Haiti relief mission. The Carl Vinson is now operating off Haiti and the Bataan and her task force should be arriving shortly, along with the 3,200 Marines and LCACs that will be critical to landing heavy equipment needed to help clear debris.

Those ships will be critical to helping get potable water and medical care to those in need.

The Haitian national police have all but disappeared and while the local police are trying to clear bodies to the morgue, those facilities are already overtaxed and have no place for remains. Expect disaster mortuary teams to be sent to assist in that effort. There are reports of looting which only complicates matters further for the security situation for those aid workers trying to help.

172 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:15:01am

re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Abso-fuckin'-lutely.

Not to harp on the point either, but even separate from what I'd call the 'education' techs and trades (people who work in the labs and design studios), there's also facilities management people, IT people,security, secretaries. I made a point to stay on good terms with these folks and generally be respectful. And it's saved my bacon numerous times. But some guys are determined to look down on them. Bugs the hell out of me, but it seems like karma has a way of taking care of it...

Alright, ranting done.

173 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:16:31am

re: #171 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Latest updates are up on the Haiti relief mission. The Carl Vinson is now operating off Haiti and the Bataan and her task force should be arriving shortly, along with the 3,200 Marines and LCACs that will be critical to landing heavy equipment needed to help clear debris.

Those ships will be critical to helping get potable water and medical care to those in need.

The Haitian national police have all but disappeared and while the local police are trying to clear bodies to the morgue, those facilities are already overtaxed and have no place for remains. Expect disaster mortuary teams to be sent to assist in that effort. There are reports of looting which only complicates matters further for the security situation for those aid workers trying to help.

I would guess that the police are dealing with their own personal situations and losses and families. Plus, from what I hear, there is a leadership vacuum.

174 filetandrelease  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:18:02am

Other than political back scratching, does anyone have an explanation for the exemption unitl 2018 for big unions not having to pay the cadillac tax on health insurance plans?

First Nelson, now this, can congress reach any new lows to shove this crap down the countries throat?

175 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:18:10am

Gotta dash for now.

Teenage Fanclub - "Long Hair":

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:18:15am

re: #172 McSpiff

To harp on the point...I then sent her this...

Sorry if my response sounded snarky. Start at the top from your question. Read my responses. Then read your responses back. If genius engineer can fix this...
1. Why hasn't he fixed it already?
2. Why did you ask me?

I lied, I still do take it personally.

Engineers invite me to their homes all of the time and argue with me that they know how to fix it anyway though it has been broken for years.

It's a bit frustrating.

Still love ya, and don't think I'm mad. I do want you to read back through this conversation; looking at it from my eyes.

177 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:18:25am

One more story to set my friday off irritable:

[Link: www.injusticeeverywhere.com...]


In 2005, information technology consultant James E Simmons III came to Seattle to perform contract work for a large local company using his experience with IT security compliance that, at the time, was a highly prized skill set that kept him busy with contract engagements all over the US.

All that changed in November of 2006 when Simmons was violently arrested and injured by now-former King County Deputy James Schrimpsher on allegations that Simmons was seen selling crack at two different bus stops, including one bus stop that apparently doesn’t even exist.

Even though the suggestion that a highly-paid professional with everything to lose would be selling crack at bus stops would seem suspect on the face of it, Simmons was still convicted in 2007 of possession with intent to distribute despite a lack of any evidence.

Indeed, that conviction appeared to have solely depended on the word of deputy Schrimpsher himself who, unknown to all involved in the case at the time, was under investigation during the trial for another questionable drug arrest he made just one month after he arrested Simmons… an arrest that would ultimately cost him his job in December of 2007 after a year-long investigation that eventually found that he had lied about the arrest.

Despite the fact that the findings of dishonesty against Schrimpsher forced King County prosecutors to dismiss similar charges against another person Schrimpsher had arrested, they never reviewed the highly questionable arrest of James Simmons and, by the time we originally wrote about the story in April of 2009, James had already served one year in prison and was left homeless and destitute after his long legal battles and appeals…

Semi-happy ending, after reading the original story a local atty helped get the conviction dismissed. James is still penniless and homeless but at least he doesn't have a record anymore.

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:18:42am

re: #171 lawhawk

Is this an "occupation"?

179 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:19:13am

Brought to you by the Random Recipe Generator (echos)

Noodles Surprise
Serves 1
You will need:

* 70ml soy sauce
* 10g strawberries
* 10g noodles
* 5 sweetcorn
* 30ml horseradish sauce

Instructions:

1. pre-heat the oven to 230 C
2. toast the horseradish sauce
3. grill the soy sauce
4. mix the soy sauce in
5. lightly fry the soy sauce
6. flambe the horseradish sauce
7. mix the horseradish sauce in
8. rinse the sweetcorn
9. discard the strawberries
10. mix the sweetcorn in
11. rinse the noodles
12. bake for 50 minutes and serve hot

Yum.

Lol.

180 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:19:42am

re: #171 lawhawk

There are reports of looting which only complicates matters further for the security situation for those aid workers trying to help.

Last night on the news I saw footage of gangs (armed with machetes) running the streets.

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:20:42am

re: #179 Varek Raith

What the hell?

182 badger1970  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:21:28am

Did anyone catch the TX Governor debate last night? I only caught about 10min during a break but the sound bites was just general soft-manner pot shots. BTW does KBH play up her twang on purpose?

183 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:21:43am

re: #169 generalsparky

That is simply horrible. I hate talking bad about people but Coakley seems to be a real dirt bag.


I love talking bad about people. I still have a few Scott Ritter jokes in me that I'm dying to get out//

184 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:22:18am

re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What the hell?

Click Here!

Hat tip - reine.de.tout and KT :)

185 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:23:31am
186 badger1970  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:25:57am

re: #183 RogueOne

Save it for Leno. ///

187 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:26:17am
188 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:26:43am

Ouch!

189 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:27:50am

Suit alleges police brutality

[Link: www.dailyworld.com...]

According to the suit that was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Louisiana in Lafayette, the incident began on the evening of Dec. 27, 2008, when officers responded to a disturbance call at Sam's residence at 731 Emmett St., Opelousas.

Richard said it was his client who called police for assistance but when officers arrived, they incorrectly assumed he was the person who was causing the disturbance.

"The officers then proceeded to literally drag Mr. Sam outside his residence and continued to strike, assault, batter, kick and brutalize him outside on his front porch and driveway," Richard said.

Reminds me of this bit:

"I'm not saying I don't like police, I'm just scared of them. Sometimes we want to call them too"

190 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:28:25am

g'mornin', all! It's FRIDAY! Yippee! end of the work week, beginning of the work weekend. heh (ah, the advantages of having a two-income household - the bills get paid, but the housework piles up)

191 generalsparky  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:31:28am

re: #183 RogueOne

I love talking bad about people. I still have a few Scott Ritter jokes in me that I'm dying to get out//

Go for it ;-)

192 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:31:41am

I certainly hope that all of the assistance pouring into Haiti begins to bring some order so that the people can begin to receive and benefit from the aid. This gang thing is insult on top of injury to those poor people. I have opinions of what should be done to the thugs, but won't voice them . . .

193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:31:44am

re: #187 Mad Al-Jaffee

Please don't post child abuse jokes.

I'm as fun loving as the next guy...

194 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:32:33am

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry. I won't post any more.

195 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:33:33am

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Please don't post child abuse jokes.

I'm as fun loving as the next guy...

Yes, let's make fun of... The Cowboys! Muhahaha!
/

196 charlesincharge  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:33:56am

"Catholics Need Not Apply"

197 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:34:00am

re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

To harp on the point...I then sent her this...

Good response. You see the same thing again and again. Someone with a certain degree of expertise assuming it translates into everything. I think this is the same mindset that leads otherwise successful people to go anti-vaxx. I mean if they got through law, surely they can understand the science behind vaccines. I think you handled the situation well, having someone tell you you're wrong, but can you help them anyways is one of the most infuriating experiences. See also: Helping my family with computer problems.

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:34:06am

re: #194 Mad Al-Jaffee

Love ya, Al. Thanks.

199 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:34:42am

re: #195 Varek Raith

Yes, let's make fun of... The Cowboys! Muhahaha!
/

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:35:20am

re: #195 Varek Raith

Yes, let's make fun of... The Cowboys! Muhahaha!
/

1pm. Sunday. The end of a Favre.

201 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:35:39am

re: #193 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Besides the fact that they aren't funny, it only gives the stalker sites more ammo to claim that Charles has ties to child molesters.

202 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:36:27am

Uganda's other religion problem.

Although most cases of child sacrifice have been reported in Uganda’s central region, where the culture of ritual killing is strong, according to Opobo, other areas, like Lango in the north, are also reporting cases of missing children later found killed in a manner believed to be ritualistic.

Burhan Ssebayigga of Makerere University’s department of religious studies said traditional beliefs, which are strong in Buganda, could be behind the current wave of ritualistic child murders.

“In traditional Buganda, there is a strong belief that a mutilated body ceases to be spiritually powerful. So to sacrifice one needs something innocent or pure. And children are considered spiritually clean and virgin, a fact that makes them a soft target for witchdoctors’ ritualistic practices,” he said.

Fred Enanga, the police spokesman, says ritual murderers “have a belief that in human sacrifice they are appeasing and worshipping the gods or ancestral spirits, so that their wealth is sustained and their problems go away.”

203 TampaKnight  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:36:32am

Does Charles live out West? I've noticed that blog entries don't usually start until later in the day (for me, an East coaster).

204 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:37:03am

re: #203 TampaKnight

Does Charles live out West? I've noticed that blog entries don't usually start until later in the day (for me, an East coaster).

Yep, he's on Pacific Time.

205 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:37:13am

re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

1pm. Sunday. The end of a Favre.

I just like riling up Cowboy fans. :D

206 stevemcg  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:37:23am

I wonder if she really learned anything?


"Wife of former Governor McGreevey speaks out against gay marriage" Wouldn't she have been better off if her ex-husband wasn't forced to marry a woman? She says (it sounds high) that 2 million marriages a year blow up like hers did. And preventing gay marriage stops that from happening how...?

207 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:37:23am

re: #203 TampaKnight

Somewhere in SoCal I believe.

208 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:37:25am

re: #203 TampaKnight

Does Charles live out West? I've noticed that blog entries don't usually start until later in the day (for me, an East coaster).

He lives in an undisclosed bunker under Denver International Airport. Everybody knows this.

209 generalsparky  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:38:04am

re: #201 Bubblehead II

People really write that?!?

210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:38:05am

re: #197 McSpiff

I was at an engineers house and pointed out some things he had missed. He said, "I had never considered that." I was shocked. He could see I was shocked. He said, "Oh, Hugh. Sorry, I didn't tell you? I'm not one of those engineers." I asked him if I could hug him, and he laughed.

Most of the time I get, "Yeah, I know." When I know damn good and well they didn't know.

211 filetandrelease  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:38:10am

Thats right, only jokes about southern white men are allowed. Who gives a crap if we offend those jerks.

212 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:38:36am

re: #209 generalsparky

Yes.

213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:39:38am

re: #199 Mad Al-Jaffee

"Tony has been very, very bwave through all this and barely cried at all when he heard his widdle fingey was in fact bwoken," coach Wade Phillips said Monday, explaining that Womo was "westing comfiwy" and watching cartoons at home and had thus far managed to keep his pinkie out of his mouth. "I'd say he's week to week, but it's up to the team medics to say when he's completely all-better-now."

His stats are better than Staubach's and Aikman's. But that's funny as hell.

214 badger1970  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:39:47am

re: #200 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

1pm. Sunday. The end of a Favre.

I'd be more satisfied if he threw an OT interception in the NFC Championship game. Sunday, I want to see Jerry Jones' ego get deflated (and to keep the 'boys from one bad officiating call away from the SB).

215 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:40:07am

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was at an engineers house and pointed out some things he had missed. He said, "I had never considered that." I was shocked. He could see I was shocked. He said, "Oh, Hugh. Sorry, I didn't tell you? I'm not one of those engineers." I asked him if I could hug him, and he laughed.

Most of the time I get, "Yeah, I know." When I know damn good and well they didn't know.

When ego becomes more important than getting the job done correctly, and on time...

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:40:58am

re: #209 generalsparky

Yep. Anything that'll get "shocka!" going on. They hate Charles so much that they'll say anything at all. The more ridiculous, the more they like it.

217 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:41:44am

re: #209 generalsparky

See this post.

218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:42:18am

re: #214 badger1970

What officiating call are you talking about?

219 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:43:10am

I'm looking forward to the Ravens game tomorrow. It will be on while I'm at a bar where there's a benefit show/blues jam for a local singer who was in a car accident last month. I'll get to see lots of friends, play and hear some music and watch the game. I'm assuming they'll have the game on. (even though it's closer to DC and Redskins territory)

220 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:43:31am

re: #201 Bubblehead II

Besides the fact that they aren't funny, it only gives the stalker sites more ammo to claim that Charles has ties to child molesters.

I'm going to have to disagree with that. Making fun of Scott Ritter for being a wanna-be molesterer is the exact opposite of condoning the behavior. At a minimum, Ritter should be harassed, pointed at, shamed, and made fun of on a daily basis for the rest of his molestering life.

221 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:43:53am

A weeping former Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, living in exile in Africa since he was ousted in a rebellion five years ago, said Friday he wants to return to his quake-devastated country and is prepared to leave immediately, but did not indicate any concrete plans to do so.

In a rare public appearance, Aristide told reporters at a hotel next to Johannesburg's airport that he and his family are ready to return to Haiti to help with the catastrophe. He said friends, whom he did not name, are willing to provide a plane to fly him to Haiti with medical supplies and other emergency equipment.

"As far as we are concerned, we are ready to leave today, tomorrow, at any time to join the people of Haiti, share in their suffering, help rebuild the country, moving from misery to poverty with dignity," said Aristide, his wife Mildred next to him, eyes downcast, twisting a handkerchief.

Aristide, a former slum preacher, was beloved by many of Haiti's majority poor but opposition to his rule grew during his second presidential term after he was accused of masterminding assaults on opponents, allowing drug-fueled corruption and breaking promises to help the poor. Still, during riots in Haiti in 2008 over soaring food prices there was a deafening clamor for Aristide's return, showing that he remains hugely popular.

If Aristide does return, political instability in an impoverished nation struggling to dig itself out from the massive 7.0-magnitude earthquake could result.

SNIP

222 filetandrelease  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:44:10am

re: #220 RogueOne

Thank you.

223 badger1970  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:44:38am

re: #218 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Hail Mary"

224 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:45:49am

re: #220 RogueOne

Then we will have to agree to disagree on this subject. I do not find such jokes to be funny.

225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:45:54am

re: #220 RogueOne

We can do that without recycled Child Molester jokes.

We can call him "Pervert for Peace" and similar things over and over and over and over like the Australian media does without those jokes.

226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:46:16am

re: #221 MandyManners

He's still alive?

227 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:46:25am

re: #211 filetandrelease

Thats right, only jokes about southern white men are allowed. Who gives a crap if we offend those jerks.

Humor is to life what shock absorbers are to the road.

228 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:46:39am

re: #136 TampaKnight

Link please?

229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:47:24am

re: #223 badger1970

Nice.

230 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:47:45am

re: #224 Bubblehead II

Then we will have to agree to disagree on this subject. I do not find such jokes to be funny.

That I understand.

I've managed through an incredible force of will to refrain. It's been hard but my therapist says it's good for me.//

231 filetandrelease  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:48:15am

re: #227 The Sanity Inspector

Driving down the road with out shock aborbers makes for an uncomfortable ride.

And I have little sympathy for one so foolish.

232 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:48:42am

re: #225 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


"Pervert for Peace"

I like that!

233 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:48:43am

re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He's still alive?

And, kicking.

234 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:48:57am

re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It Depends.
Old astronaut/B-2 pilot joke.

235 generalsparky  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:49:05am

re: #216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Some folks are just stuck on stupid I guess :-/

I read a wide variety of blogs but read very few of the comments because there are so many keyboard warriors. And I keep most of my opinions to myself because although I am very conservative, I am also very Catholic which puts me at odds with some of the conservative positions (ie I am anti-death penalty, believe in just war, think that the current American prison system is a form of cruel and unusual punishment and that far too many people are filling up the prisons for non-violent crimes.)

236 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:49:34am

Has anyone posted a link to the story about the baggie of cocaine found in a NASA facility?

237 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:50:19am

"Is the world ending? We hope so. We need the ratings. The news is next."
- GTA: San Andreas wisdom.

/also got my drink.

238 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:50:56am

re: #236 MandyManners

Not that I've seen. I saw the story on morning joe. They said it was orange but I don't know if they were joking or not.

239 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:51:08am

NASA finds cocaine in shuttle hangar


(CNN) -- NASA says it has launched an investigation after finding cocaine in a processing hangar for a space shuttle at Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

A small amount of cocaine was found in a restricted area of the processing hangar for the shuttle Discovery, NASA said in a statement.

"This is a rare and isolated incident, and I'm disappointed that it happened, but it should not detract from the outstanding work that is being done by a dedicated team on a daily basis," Kennedy Space Center Director Bob Cabana said in the statement.

NASA has drug-tested employees who worked in that area, the statement said.

240 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:51:54am

re: #237 laZardo

I forgot you are many, many time zones away from SoCal. You get your drink as I get on my way to work.

241 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:52:00am

re: #236 MandyManners

Has anyone posted a link to the story about the baggie of cocaine found in a NASA facility?

No, but it sounds like someone was blasting off.

242 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:52:13am

NASA has launched an extensive investigation to determine how a small amount of cocaine ended up in a space shuttle hangar at the agency's Florida spaceport.

A bag containing a small amount of white powder residue that was later confirmed to be cocaine was discovered in the space shuttle Discovery's hangar at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral, Fla. The hangar, known in NASA parlance as an Orbiter Processing Facility, is a restricted zone for shuttle workers only.

The cocaine was discovered Tuesday when a shuttle worker spotted it outside a bathroom and reported it to NASA security, NASA spokesperson Allard Beutel told SPACE.com today.

An on-site test of the bag stated it was cocaine, and subsequent follow-up tests confirmed it was the drug, he said.

SNIP

243 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:52:22am

ack - I don't suppose anyone here works with PrimeLocation software from Nielsen-Claritas, do they?

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:52:54am

re: #241 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hhahahahahahahaa!

245 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:53:44am

re: #241 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, but it sounds like... *sunglasses on* someone was blasting off.

YYYEEEAAAHHHH

246 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:54:35am

Well time to head off for w*rk. I hate Mondays especially when they fall on a Friday.

L8R

247 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:54:37am

Maybe "Buzz" Lightyear was visiting.

248 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:55:08am

A roadside bomb struck a family traveling home after visiting a shrine Friday in southern Afghanistan, killing five people, including four children.

The blast occurred in the Spin Boldak district of Kandahar, near the Pakistan border, a day after a suicide bombing killed as many as 20 people at a crowded bazaar in Dihrawud in Uruzgan province, underscoring the dangers facing civilians as fighting intensifies in Afghanistan.

Those killed Friday included the mother, three boys and a girl, according to Abdul Razaq, a local border security commander. He said the father and another male relative were wounded.

SNIP

I wonder who Coakley thinks did it 'cause there are not terrorists over there according to her.

249 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:55:32am

Coakley?

250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:56:31am

re: #247 Mad Al-Jaffee

Maybe "Buzz" Lightyear was visiting.

Found by a "crack" investigator?

251 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:56:45am

re: #247 Mad Al-Jaffee

Maybe "Buzz" Lightyear was visiting.

*Snort*

252 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:56:55am

re: #230 RogueOne

That I understand.

I've managed through an incredible force of will to refrain. It's been hard but my therapist says it's good for me.//

There are people and blogs who hate Charles, really far beyond any "disagreement", but hate Charles and LGF (and those who post here) with a really deep-seated and unbalanced hatred.

They do a "quote mining" sort of thing, picking posts and comments that they think show Charles & LGF in the worst possible light, and play them up.

It behooves us all to just keep that in mind when we post things.

253 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:57:34am
254 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:57:43am

The Obama administration is considering a criminal trial in Washington for the Guantanamo Bay detainee suspected of masterminding the bombing of a Bali nightclub that killed 202 people, a plan that would bring one of the world's most notorious terrorism suspects just steps from the U.S. Capitol, The Associated Press has learned.

Riduan Isamuddin, better known as Hambali, was allegedly Osama bin Laden's point man in Indonesia and, until his capture in August 2003, was believed to be the main link between al-Qaida and Jemaah Islamiyah, the terror group blamed for the 2002 bombing on the island of Bali.

Other terrorism trials also may occur in Washington and New York City under a proposal being discussed within the Obama administration, according to U.S. officials briefed on the plan, who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss private planning meetings.

SNIP

255 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:58:06am

re: #250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Found by a "crack" investigator?

Maybe he was doing a line inspection.

256 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:59:06am

re: #249 Varek Raith

Coakley?

Democrat running for the Senate from Massachusetts. Rogue has some good stuff about her up above.

257 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:59:16am

Doesn't take much to start a cascade of puns, does it?
:)

258 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:00:30am

re: #256 MandyManners

Democrat running for the Senate from Massachusetts. Rogue has some good stuff about her up above.

No. 23.

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:01:49am

re: #257 Varek Raith

Doesn't take much to start a cascade of puns, does it?
:)

Not a gram of truth in that.
/

260 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:02:54am

re: #249 Varek Raith

Coakley?

Cokely? At NASA?

261 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:03:04am

re: #256 MandyManners

Democrat running for the Senate from Massachusetts. Rogue has some good stuff about her up above.

Oh, got it. Thanks! She's definitely not someone I'd vote for...

262 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:03:43am

re: #257 Varek Raith

Doesn't take much to start a cascade of puns, does it?
:)

We like to toot our own horns.

263 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:04:07am

Korean Holy War?

North Korea threatened Friday to break off all dialogue and negotiations with South Korea in anger over Seoul's alleged contingency plan to deal with potential unrest in the communist country.

The National Defense Commission — the North's most powerful state organ headed by leader Kim Jong Il — also warned the North will initiate a sacred "retaliatory battle" against South Korea over the plan, which the North claims is aimed at toppling its regime.

SNIP

264 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:05:39am

re: #254 MandyManners

That Hambali was a ready made situation for tribunals was ignored. The Administration wants to make a political point of giving him a trial, even if it will cost hundreds of millions in security costs, and increases the chances that he gets favorable press and the forum to air his views - turning things into a circus.

The Administration has already said that they'd use tribunals in some cases. This should have been one.

265 SasyMomaCat  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:06:18am

Gotta git - wrestling with the computer. Hope you all have a fabulous weekend - don't forget to donate, pray for (if so inclined), and generally think of those in Haiti - may they be set in order enough to be able to receive the aid coming arriving daily.

266 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:06:44am

re: #264 lawhawk

That Hambali was a ready made situation for tribunals was ignored. The Administration wants to make a political point of giving him a trial, even if it will cost hundreds of millions in security costs, and increases the chances that he gets favorable press and the forum to air his views - turning things into a circus.

The Administration has already said that they'd use tribunals in some cases. This should have been one.

Of course! But, Holder's still combing through all those files.

267 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:07:44am

re: #262 Mad Al-Jaffee

We like to toot our own horns.

Until we sniff for breath.

268 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:08:49am

Can You Safely Purchase an iMac Yet?

In a word, nope.

[Link: gizmodo.com...]


We've received at least 15 tips to our submissionsATgizmodo.com line, all users who've received yellow-tinged iMacs since January 1st and documented the problem with photos. (And I've received twice that many personally from irate customers with whom I'm extremely sympathetic.)

It seems that, despite the extremely well-documented problem(s), Apple refuses to do the right thing and simply stop shipping these faulty iMacs out. Last I checked, the public's view of the iMac's "ultimate display" was not one with pee-like stains at the bottom. Then again, I haven't run a focus group on the matter.

269 Cheechako  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:08:58am

re: #266 MandyManners

Of course! But, Holder's still combing through all those files.


Will he be tried under U.S. laws or Indonesian laws?

270 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:09:15am

re: #263 MandyManners

Korean Holy War?

North Korea threatened Friday to break off all dialogue and negotiations with South Korea in anger over Seoul's alleged contingency plan to deal with potential unrest in the communist country.

SNIP

In other news...
North Korea accepts food aid from South Korea

North Korea has accepted an offer of food aid from South Korea, officials in Seoul have announced.

The offer of 10,000 tonnes of food was made in October, but no response has been given until now.


SNIP

I'd say this points to things getting worse in NK...

271 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:10:22am

re: #270 McSpiff

SNIP

I'd say this points to things getting worse in NK...

It's so bad that DEAR LEADER has actually admitted at failing at something.

272 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:10:29am

re: #268 RogueOne

Can You Safely Purchase an iMac Yet?

In a word, nope.

[Link: gizmodo.com...]

*Varek restrains from offering his opinion on Macs*

273 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:11:25am

Good morning/evening, everyone. Why can't today already be over?

Oh, wait--it is for Lazardo. Maybe I should move.....

274 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:12:00am
275 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:12:17am

More good news from Gizmodo:
[Link: gizmodo.com...]


Just weeks ago, GSM encryption was cracked, but everyone was all like, "No big deal, GSM is old." Now the encryption protecting 128-bit UMTS 3G has been cracked as well.

It's not a practical hack yet, with real time monitoring of 3G calls and data fairly impossible since it takes a computer about 2 hours to decode the encryption. But researchers have admitted that their technique is far from optimized, meaning the process can only get faster.

276 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:13:15am

re: #271 laZardo

It's so bad that DEAR LEADER has actually admitted at failing at something.

From my limit understanding of NK, having Kim himself admit failure is a Really Big Deal™. Wonder if China is starting to sweat yet?

277 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:13:44am

re: #273 vxbush

Good morning/evening, everyone. Why can't today already be over?

Oh, wait--it is for Lazardo. Maybe I should move...

47 minutes. ):

278 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:13:44am

re: #269 Cheechako

Will he be tried under U.S. laws or Indonesian laws?

Why the latter? This will be in an American court.

279 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:13:53am

re: #271 laZardo

It's so bad that DEAR LEADER has actually admitted at failing at something.

He's so ronery....

280 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:14:19am

re: #270 McSpiff

SNIP

I'd say this points to things getting worse in NK...

With long-term damage being done as the deforestation continues.

281 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:15:03am

re: #273 vxbush

Good morning/evening, everyone. Why can't today already be over?

Oh, wait--it is for Lazardo. Maybe I should move...

I know what you mean. Between the weather and cute Filipina girls, I think I would like it there. ;)

282 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:15:09am

re: #276 McSpiff

If shit hits the fan in the Koreas, it'll hamper Chinese business. Which will hamper the global economy. Which means they won't be the only one sweating.

283 Cheechako  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:15:40am

re: #278 MandyManners

Why the latter? This will be in an American court.


The crime was committed in Indonesia. What U.S. laws apply?

284 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:15:47am

re: #280 MandyManners

With long-term damage being done as the deforestation continues.

I'm sure there will be all kinds of fun toxic waste laying around after that regime bites the dust. Seems to be the usual legacy of communist regimes.

285 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:15:47am
286 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:16:00am

re: #271 laZardo

It's so bad that DEAR LEADER has actually admitted at failing at something.

What will be Kim Jonh Eun's excuse?

287 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:16:31am

re: #271 laZardo

It's so bad that DEAR LEADER has actually admitted at failing at something.

Those people don't need silk clothes and tiled roofs. They need basic food security.

288 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:17:25am

re: #283 Cheechako

The crime was committed in Indonesia. What U.S. laws apply?

When in the history of American jurisprudence have we used another nation's laws to try someone?

289 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:17:32am

re: #287 MandyManners

Those people don't need silk clothes and tiled roofs. They need basic food security.

I'm sure the caloric intake from silk would be higher than what they're currently getting...

290 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:17:54am

re: #284 McSpiff

I'm sure there will be all kinds of fun toxic waste laying around after that regime bites the dust. Seems to be the usual legacy of communist regimes.

South Korea's getting damaged, too.

291 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:18:05am

re: #281 Mad Al-Jaffee

I know what you mean. Between the weather and cute Filipina girls, I think I would like it there. ;)

The weather sounds great. I'm so tired of ice and snow. Blech.

292 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:18:19am

re: #289 McSpiff

I'm sure the caloric intake from silk would be higher than what they're currently getting...

Maybe from the worms that produce the silk.

293 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:18:43am

re: #291 vxbush

The weather sounds great. I'm so tired of ice and snow. Blech.

We're forecast to get to 60 today.

294 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:19:42am

re: #293 MandyManners

We're forecast to get to 60 today.

Sigh. Right now, I don't like you. 33 here.

295 Cheechako  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:20:34am

re: #288 MandyManners

When in the history of American jurisprudence have we used another nation's laws to try someone?


I'm trying to point out that the crime was committed in another country. How can someone who commits a crime in a foreign country be tried in the U.S. using U.S. laws?

296 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:21:00am

re: #284 McSpiff

I'm sure there will be all kinds of fun toxic waste laying around after that regime bites the dust. Seems to be the usual legacy of communist regimes.

Makes for some awesome video games though.

297 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:22:15am

re: #294 vxbush

Sigh. Right now, I don't like you. 33 here.

You can *whack*me if you'd like.

(((vxbush)))

298 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:22:31am

re: #291 vxbush

The weather sounds great. I'm so tired of ice and snow. Blech.

Most of the ice and snow has melted here, but I'm tired of the cold. At least the wind has died down some.

299 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:22:36am

re: #295 Cheechako

I'm trying to point out that the crime was committed in another country. How can someone who commits a crime in a foreign country be tried in the U.S. using U.S. laws?

THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT!

300 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:23:17am

re: #295 Cheechako

I'm trying to point out that the crime was committed in another country. How can someone who commits a crime in a foreign country be tried in the U.S. using U.S. laws?

You might want to check out Lawhawk's No. 264.

301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:24:15am

Work.

302 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:25:45am

re: #295 Cheechako

I'm trying to point out that the crime was committed in another country. How can someone who commits a crime in a foreign country be tried in the U.S. using U.S. laws?

The US will charge and convict based on child abuse that occurs overseas. Many nations have laws for charging war criminals, even if the actual crimes happened overseas. The US has tried and convicted Manuel Noriega and other drug kingpins who have never set foot in the US. It's really not that uncommon.

303 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:26:08am

Good Morning Everyone and Happy Friday to you all! Currently its 46 degrees and heading for 75 today here in sunny so cal, with the possibility of rain. Supposedly is going to be raining off and on for the next 4 to 5 days with back to back storms. I like the rain but I hate to back to back storm thing, it makes my hands ache. Hows everyone doing this beauteous Friday morning?

304 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:26:20am

re: #301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Work.

A four letter word if there ever was one!

305 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:26:58am

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]


Miraculous recovery of teenager who grew back her face after suffering 'one-in-a-million' allergic reaction to paracetamol (which in the US is called Anacin)

A teenager has grown back her entire face after being struck down by a rare skin disease.

Eva Uhlin, 19, suffered a bizarre one-in-a-million allergic reaction to household paracetamol that left her unrecognisable.

The potentially fatal condition - Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis - gripped her entire body, causing her skin to burn up and scab over before falling off.

Pic at the link.

306 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:28:16am

re: #297 MandyManners

You can *whack*me if you'd like.

(((vxbush)))

No, no whacking. I do like you, but I'm so ready for serious sunshine and temperatures above 60.

307 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:28:23am

re: #155 Jimmah

See, if this was just a simple misunderstanding about the range of people your initial comment was directed at, you'd have been able to clear it up without the sad little hissing fit you have put on here. It looks to me like you've just got some kind of general animosity towards the British. Or maybe it's just me.

I have a general animosity towards anti-Semites.
As for the British, I love them, except for the Islamofascists, the anti-Semites, the skinheads, the fascists, the socialists, the soccer fans and Prince Charles.

308 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:33:52am

Hey Jimmah, my Hubby Bubby Rightwingconspirator has told me about you and your lady just getting married, Congratulations! I'm a NOOB but he talks about you two a lot, all good, and I wanted to pop in and introduce myself. Hows married life treating you?

309 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:34:03am

WASHINGTON -- What went wrong? A year ago, he was king of the world. Now President Obama's approval rating, according to CBS, has dropped to 46 percent -- and his disapproval rating is the highest ever recorded by Gallup at the beginning of an (elected) president's second year.

latest from Charley the K

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

310 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:34:40am

re: #305 RogueOne

It's an allergic reaction to acetaminophen, not anacin (which is aspirin and caffeine).

311 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:36:12am

re: #310 lawhawk

It's an allergic reaction to acetaminophen, not anacin (which is aspirin and caffeine).

Still, that's really, really rare.

312 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:37:45am

re: #307 Spare O'Lake

I have a general animosity towards anti-Semites.
As for the British, I love them, except for the Islamofascists, the anti-Semites, the skinheads, the fascists, the socialists, the soccer fans and Prince Charles.

Hey now, I have to give Prince Charles props!

Anyone who looks like him and can marry her Image: princess%20diana.jpg has my respect

( and yes ,, I understand the whole Its Good To Be The Prince stuff!!)
//

313 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:39:40am

re: #306 vxbush

No, no whacking. I do like you, but I'm so ready for serious sunshine and temperatures above 60.

When does that groundhog get to work?

314 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:40:15am

re: #313 MandyManners

When does that groundhog get to work?

in bed

315 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:40:36am

re: #312 sattv4u2

Hey now, I have to give Prince Charles props!

Anyone who looks like him and can marry her [Link: people.moreheadstate.edu...] has my respect

( and yes ,, I understand the whole Its Good To Be The Prince stuff!!)
//

Yes, except he was an idiot and divorced her. That takes him down about thirty notches in my book.

316 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:40:48am

re: #312 sattv4u2

Hey now, I have to give Prince Charles props!

Anyone who looks like him and can marry her [Link: people.moreheadstate.edu...] has my respect

( and yes ,, I understand the whole Its Good To Be The Prince stuff!!)
//

He treated her like shit from the git-go.

317 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:41:05am

re: #307 Spare O'Lake

I have a general animosity towards anti-Semites.
As for the British, I love them, except for the Islamofascists, the anti-Semites, the skinheads, the fascists, the socialists, the soccer fans and Prince Charles.

Speaking of great British people...

318 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:41:13am

re: #312 sattv4u2

Hey now, I have to give Prince Charles props!

Anyone who looks like him and can marry her [Link: people.moreheadstate.edu...] has my respect

//

Yeah, and that marriage turned out so well!

319 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:41:40am

re: #310 lawhawk

I went by this and picked the first one since it's what we have in our house.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

They also list Tylenol, triaminic, Panadol , FeverAll, and datril. I've never heard of those last 2 .

320 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:41:50am

re: #318 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah, and that marriage turned out so well!

Well, it did what it was intended to do by producing an heir and a spare.

321 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:42:25am

re: #319 RogueOne

I went by this and picked the first one since it's what we have in our house.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

They also list Tylenol, triaminic, Panadol , FeverAll, and datril. I've never heard of those last 2 .

I haven't seen Datril listed in a long, long time.

322 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:44:04am

re: #320 MandyManners

There's a local singer who calls herself Lady Di. I think a funny (but sick) name for a band would be Lady Di and The Papparazi.

323 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:45:15am

re: #307 Spare O'Lake

I have a general animosity towards anti-Semites.
As for the British, I love them, except for the Islamofascists, the anti-Semites, the skinheads, the fascists, the socialists, the soccer fans and Prince Charles.

And Gary Glitter.

324 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:46:35am

re: #322 Mad Al-Jaffee

There's a local singer who calls herself Lady Di. I think a funny (but sick) name for a band would be Lady Di and The Papparazi.

Uh, yeah.

325 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:46:51am

Way to stay classy, Chucky !!

New York Sen. Charles Schumer, who famously hammered then-Sen. Alfonse D'Amato for calling him a "putz-head" in their hot 1998 campaign, was accused Thursday of stepping into the gutter himself after he sent out a fundraising e-mail in which he called Massachusetts Republican Senate candidate Scott Brown a "far-right tea-bagger."

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

326 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:46:53am

re: #323 Mad Al-Jaffee

And Gary Glitter.

David Icke.

327 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:48:12am

two days till the showdown of the year...the threshold of the Championship Game

[Link: www.dallascowboys.com...]

328 Donna Ballard  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:48:48am

Well, I hope all you perky folks out there have a great day, I'm gonna go since nobody wants to chat. See ya all later! :-)

329 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:50:14am

re: #328 Dragon_Lady

Well, I hope all you perky folks out there have a great day, I'm gonna go since nobody wants to chat. See ya all later! :-)

Well, I want to chat, but that darned work keeps interrupting me....

330 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:53:31am

re: #327 albusteve

See my #199 :)

331 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:56:51am

Iran's police chief on Friday warned opposition supporters not to use cell phones and e-mail messages to organize protest rallies against the government, saying those who do so will be prosecuted and punished.

Gen. Ismail Ahmadi Moghaddam said spreading the word of the opposition through Internet or cell phone SMS is a crime that deserves severe punishment and that the authorities would continue monitoring those systems.

The remarks are the latest reflecting the government's frustration at various imaginative ways the opposition has sought to rally supporters following the disputed June presidential election.

A harsh government crackdown has left the opposition with little means to make its voice heard. Almost all pro-reform newspapers have been closed since the June 12 vote in which President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was declared the winner. Those still in circulation have been openly threatened against publishing opposition statements. Iranian state media, controlled by hard-liners, regularly ignore the opposition.

SNIP

332 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:59:23am

re: #330 Mad Al-Jaffee

See my #199 :)

cold, cruel and mean...pretty funny tho

333 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:59:56am

So, any word yet on Arab/Muslim countries sending aid to Haiti?

334 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:01:46am

re: #333 Mad Al-Jaffee

So, any word yet on Arab/Muslim countries sending aid to Haiti?

Quite a bit, actually.

335 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:04:10am

Jesus works in mysterious ways:
Image: jesus1.png

336 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:05:30am

re: #333 Mad Al-Jaffee

So, any word yet on Arab/Muslim countries sending aid to Haiti?

From wiki:


Bosnia and Herzegovina
The chairman of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Željko Komšić, sent a telegram of condolence to the president of Haiti.[24]
The chairman of the Council of Ministers of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Nikola Špirić, also issued a statement of sorrow on behalf of the government of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Špirić pledged a donation of 100,000 BAM (USD $75,000) to the International Committee of the Red Cross.[25]

Indonesia
President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono said Indonesia would send humanitarian workers to Haiti to help the earthquake victims.[88][89] The help from the Indonesian government will consist of a team of 30 medical personnel including surgeons, a 10-member SAR team, and 10 electrical experts. The remaining 25 are experts in construction and telecommunications. The government will also send medical supplies weighting a total of 5 tons, another five tons of food special equipment and tools for children and babies also five tons.[90]
[edit]

Iran
Iran's Red Crescent announced plans to send about 30 tonnes of aid including food, tents and medicine to Haiti on Jan. 14.[91]

Morocco
King Mohammed VI of Morocco approved the release of US$1 million in emergency humanitarian aid for Haiti.[112]

Pakistan
Several Pakistani rescuers and troops are stationed (as part of the UN force) in affected areas by Minustah.[119] President Asif Ali Zardari in his personal message of condolence to the President of Haiti said: "On behalf of the people and the Government of Pakistan and on my own behalf, I wish to express to you our heartfelt condolences on this tragedy. Pakistani peace-keepers serving in Haiti will continue to provide assistance to the Haitian people and victims of the earthquake in this hour of natural calamity. We are coordinating with the United Nations to extend every possible relief to the people of Haiti."
Personal messages of condolence to the President of Haiti were also released by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani and Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi.[120]


Qatar
Qatar sent a 26-member rescue team and C-17 strategic transport aircraft loaded with 50 tons of relief materials.[131]

Turkey
Foreign Ministry Ahmet Davutoğlu has expressed sorrow over the earthquake which hit Haiti. He also added that Turkey is ready to provide every kind of support to people of Haiti.[152] The Turkish government has also prepared a military transport plane which will be used to carry in a field hospital and emergency medical team.[153]

[edit] United Arab Emirates
The United Arab Emirates announced it would set up a relief Air Bridge to take humanitarian supplies to Haiti. The nation’s charitable organizations – including the Khalifa Charity Foundation, Zayed Foundation for Humanitarian and Charitable Works, Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum Charity and Humanitarian Foundation – announced the coordination of additional humanitarian relief efforts.[154]

337 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:06:26am

re: #335 RogueOne

Jesus works in mysterious ways:
[Link: www.lamebook.com...]

Nobody fucks with the Jesus.

/dude

338 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:07:39am

re: #336 McSpiff

Good for them!

339 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:08:45am

Can't decide on what special dessert to make for tonight's supper. Chocolate fudge walnut brownies or apple strudel?

340 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:10:09am

re: #339 Alouette

Can't decide on what special dessert to make for tonight's supper. Chocolate fudge walnut brownies or apple strudel?

Both. ;)

341 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:11:04am

re: #339 Alouette

Can't decide on what special dessert to make for tonight's supper. Chocolate fudge walnut brownies or apple strudel?

Love fudge brownies, but not a fan of nuts in them
Big fan of the Strudle!

342 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:11:23am

re: #339 Alouette

Can't decide on what special dessert to make for tonight's supper. Chocolate fudge walnut brownies or apple strudel?

You can never go wrong with chocolate!

343 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:12:09am

I just saw in the elevator that the UN relief warehouse in Haiti has been broken into, and they're not sure how much stuff is left.
What a fucking disaster...and Haiti is almost as bad./

344 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:13:15am

re: #339 Alouette

The strudel sounds healthier - make the brownies. And serve them warm, with ice cream and butterscotch sauce.

345 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:13:50am

re: #344 Mad Al-Jaffee

The strudel sounds healthier - make the brownies. And serve them warm, with ice cream and butterscotch sauce.

Or, serve the brownies topped with apple strudel.

346 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:14:23am

re: #339 Alouette

I'd prefer the strudel personally.

Hmm, I need to figure out what I'll cook this weekend as well. Tempted to start experimenting with a sour cream apple pie recipe to see if it can be converted into something that will work in a 13x9 pan for group events.

Soup (sausage-bean) and kugel (potato-carrot) for lunch today though.

347 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:14:40am

re: #345 RogueOne

Or, serve the brownies topped with apple strudel.

in bed

348 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:14:48am

Just before I open the doors at work...
Okay love open topics. I'm going to be watching and posting extensively on California conservative election efforts. First on my list is
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
I'll be chiming in about Chuck Devore a pro nuclear anti Cap & Trade Republican as well. I happen to have hope that some California Republicans can make a good example of how moderates can win back the party nationally.

349 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:15:22am

re: #343 Spare O'Lake

Let me get this straight: You think that now, after more than a hundred UN personnel may have died in the quake, is the time to slam the UN?

350 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:15:38am

re: #343 Spare O'Lake

I just saw in the elevator that the UN relief warehouse in Haiti has been broken into, and they're not sure how much stuff is left.
What a fucking disaster...and Haiti is almost as bad./

From what I've read this morning, the looting there was not very bad.

351 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:16:14am

re: #348 Rightwingconspirator

Just before I open the doors at work...
Okay love open topics. I'm going to be watching and posting extensively on California conservative election efforts. First on my list is
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
I'll be chiming in about Chuck Devore a pro nuclear anti Cap & Trade Republican as well. I happen to have hope that some California Republicans can make a good example of how moderates can win back the party nationally.

And then they turn out to be creationist anti-AGW nutbags.

/still waiting for Cynthia McKinney to get the boot so it'll be safe to go Green...

352 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:17:18am

re: #346 oaktree


Hmm, I need to figure out what I'll cook this weekend as well. .

Me too. Most Sundays I like to cook a big batch or chili, stew, gumbo, etc. Something homemade and (relatively) healthy that will last for most of the week. I did chicken gumbo this week, black bean soup the week before. Maybe I'll do chicken stew, or try something I haven't tried before.

353 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:17:28am

re: #343 Spare O'Lake

I just saw in the elevator that the UN relief warehouse in Haiti has been broken into, and they're not sure how much stuff is left.
What a fucking disaster...and Haiti is almost as bad./

super fucked...looting is going to be a huge problem, hunger and disease...money at this point is useless...they need caskets, heavy equipment for clearing rubble, water and millions of MREs....thousands upon thousands of troops to try and keep some order...the mayhem will start when the shock wears off....Haiti is doomed

354 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:18:35am

France has asked the Paris Club of creditor nations to speed up the process of canceling Haiti's debt.

France's Economy Minister Christine Lagarde says she has contacted other members of the Paris Club to accelerate the cancellation of Haiti's debt of nearly $78 million.

Haiti did owe $84 million. But Lagarde says about $6 million has been canceled since Tuesday's devastating earthquake.

France chairs the Paris Club, which in July agreed to cancel most of the debt owed by Haiti, the Western Hemisphere's poorest country.

In addition to France, the Paris Club includes the United States, Britain, Japan, Russia, Germany and 13 other countries.

SNIP

355 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:18:47am

re: #348 Rightwingconspirator

I'm sorry, but DeVore is a Social Conservative jerk, as far as I'm concerned.


[Link: www.calitics.com...]

This is what he said about legalized gay marriage.

Mr. (Mark) Leno's bill hopelessly blurs the line of traditional marriage to the point that under the equal protection provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment as applied to the First Amendment, we might see a devout Saudi Arabian immigrant suing under religious discrimination reasons to allow him to have four wives in California. Or, we could see NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) suing to lower the age of consent to allow relationships between adult males and boys. After all, if marriage is no longer marriage, then anything goes. I do not dispute that two people can love each other and care for each other, but marriage has been defined by thousands of years of tradition and experience. The Legislature ought not to take a step down this slippery slope.


If that's your idea of a moderate, I'd hate to see an extremist.

356 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:18:52am

re: #22 Spare O'Lake


I will not be surprised if, despite all its generous and heroic efforts, America and Americans end up being blamed and vilified for everything bad and thanked for almost nothing.

We'll still have clean water. And I bet the Haitians will be grateful for what we can do, even if the usual suspects bash us.

357 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:19:13am

re: #352 Mad Al-Jaffee

I generally cook once on the weekend and once during the week. That generates food for lunch, a few dinners, and attempts to poison co-workers.

Mix of desserts and entree' type dishes, plus usually something different that I've picked up the ingredients for during the week.

358 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:19:16am

re: #353 albusteve

super fucked...looting is going to be a huge problem, hunger and disease...money at this point is useless...they need caskets, heavy equipment for clearing rubble, water and millions of MREs...thousands upon thousands of troops to try and keep some order...the mayhem will start when the shock wears off...Haiti is doomed

Not necessarily.

359 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:20:13am

re: #357 oaktree

I generally cook once on the weekend and once during the week. That generates food for lunch, a few dinners, and attempts to poison co-workers.

Mix of desserts and entree' type dishes, plus usually something different that I've picked up the ingredients for during the week.

Hubby cooks. I do dishes. It's a good arrangement, as my cooking is terrible.

360 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:21:22am

re: #350 MandyManners

From what I've read this morning, the looting there was not very bad.

Wait till they realize the foreigners can't have troops everywhere. Then it'll be "Rat pa kaka" all over the place.

361 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:21:29am

re: #357 oaktree

I generally cook once on the weekend and once during the week.

Me too. A big pot of something on Sunday, and I always buy cold cuts (usually turkey) and cheese and bread (sometimes I make my own) for sandwiches for lunches.

I have Monday off, but I'm going to see Avatar at an Imax theater during the day. I don't think I'll have time to cook then.

362 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:22:44am

Don't know how I missed this in the WSJ this morning. It's a complete synopsis of the case I was talking about earlier.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]


The story of the Amiraults of Massachusetts, and of the prosecution that had turned the lives of this thriving American family to dust, was well known to the world by the year 2001. It was well known, especially, to District Attorney Martha Coakley, who had by then arrived to take a final, conspicuous, role in a case so notorious as to assure that the Amiraults' name would be known around the globe.
......
Gerald was sent to prison for 30 to 40 years, his mother and sister sentenced to eight to 20 years. The prosecutors celebrated what they called, at the time "a model, multidisciplinary prosecution." Gerald's wife, Patricia, and their three children—the family unfailingly devoted to him—went on with their lives. They spoke to him nightly and cherished such hope as they could find, that he would be restored to them.

Hope arrived in 1995, when Judge Robert Barton ordered a new trial for the women. Violet, now 72, and Cheryl had been imprisoned eight years. This toughest of judges, appalled as he came to know the facts of the case, ordered the women released at once. Judge Barton—known as Black Bart for the long sentences he gave criminals—did not thereafter trouble to conceal his contempt for the prosecutors. They would, he warned, do all in their power to hold on to Gerald, a prediction to prove altogether accurate.

No less outraged, Superior Court Judge Isaac Borenstein presided over a widely publicized hearings into the case resulting in findings that all the children's testimony was tainted. He said that "Every trick in the book had been used to get the children to say what the investigators wanted." The Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly—which had never in its 27 year history taken an editorial position on a case—published a scathing one directed at the prosecutors "who seemed unwilling to admit they might have sent innocent people to jail for crimes that had never occurred."

It was clear, when Martha Coakley took over as the new Middlesex County district attorney in 1999, that public opinion was running sharply against the prosecutors in the case.

Horrific case all the way around.

363 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:23:10am

re: #52 MandyManners

Some idiot on Fox is arguing that union jobs are more dangerous than others. Yeah. I reckon being a unionized teacher requires a bullet-proof vest.

It has from time to time.

I expect we're talking about the fire departments and the longshoremen, though.

364 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:23:58am

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

Miners.

365 badger1970  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:24:07am

re: #362 RogueOne

I just read that. I'm surprised that Coakley has gotten as far as she has.

366 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:24:10am

re: #349 Obdicut

Let me get this straight: You think that now, after more than a hundred UN personnel may have died in the quake, is the time to slam the UN?

We all mourn the loss of life in Haiti, including the innocent staff of the useless UN.

367 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:24:25am

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

It has from time to time.

I expect we're talking about the fire departments and the longshoremen, though.

Ironworkers I think are in the top 3 for most dangerous jobs.

368 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:26:08am

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

A lot of places you still find unions strongly represented are because the jobs are dangerous (Ironworkers, steelworkers, pipefitters, longshoremen, cops, medical personnel, sandhogs, etc.), and a strong union is very useful in preventing companies from endorsing dangerous working conditions as a way to save money.

That was one of the main impetuses for the formation of unions in the first place; it wasn't just higher pay and no 16 hour shifts, it was also about the appalling safety conditions that were endemic to industry.

369 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:26:08am

re: #359 vxbush

It wasn't until I was in my 30s and starting to do more cooking from scratch for myself (and discussing cooking with my brother) that the realization came that my mother was not that good of a cook. She had been trained by her mother, did a lot of stuff passably by rote, assembled books of recipes clipped from magazines, etc., but really didn't do much that was especially good. (Exception: cookies and pies; her family had a friend that was a pro and she was taught to make a good pie crust.)

My father was the more experimental one. He made chili, grilled a lot, and tried different things.

A typical middle-class American upbringing. Spaghetti with sauce from the jar, mashed sweet potatoes with marshmellow creme on top, overcooked beef (unless Dad grilled steaks), and all the boiled vegetables that youngsters hate to eat. No turnips though - my mother had to eat turnips as a child and thus refused to make and serve them as an adult.

370 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:26:17am

re: #351 laZardo

Not all. Besides any politician that chooses to keep their religion personal, has the right to run without taking heat for their beliefs. To me the red line on that is when their religious beliefs are applied at work as in creationist text books etc.

371 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:26:36am

US updates photos of top terrorists. Using age progression software, new images of top terrorists, including Osama are being distributed. It includes images showing how Osama and others like Mullah Omar may have altered their appearance as well as how they may have aged.

It's hoped that the new images may lead to new leads on the whereabouts of these top terrorists.

372 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:27:00am

re: #366 Spare O'Lake

We all mourn the loss of life in Haiti, including the innocent staff of the useless UN.

That's really helping me find some faith in humanity.

///

373 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:27:02am

re: #360 laZardo

Wait till they realize the foreigners can't have troops everywhere. Then it'll be "Rat pa kaka" all over the place.



When darkness fell over earthquake-ravaged Port-au-Prince on Wednesday, residents reported hearing gunfire. That was hardly a surprise: in Haiti, during emergencies — natural or political — gunshots can be as ubiquitous a sound at night as barking dogs, with armed gangs taking over the streets. One of their favorite chants is "Rat pa kaka" — Creole for, "Not even the rats shit here without our permission."

As Haitian and international officials try to coordinate an effective relief response to what is probably the worst disaster to ever hit the western hemisphere's poorest country, they'll need to be mindful of the human rats that come out of the capital's woodwork at times like these. Before the Jan. 12 quake, a revived Haitian police force and the U.N.'s Stabilization Mission in Haiti (MINUSTAH) were finally confronting the violent gangs of Port-au-Prince. But with so many Haitian police and U.N. peacekeepers either killed or injured in the temblor — and with some 1,000 prisoners reportedly on the loose after the Port-au-Prince prison crumbled — criminal bands from poor neighborhood nests like Cité Soleil and La Saline are almost certain to try to exploit the security void. "It has to be in the back of everyone's minds right now," says Robert Perito, an expert on Haitian gangs at the Washington-based nonprofit United States Institute of Peace. "It's surely why the U.S. military deployment is adding a security component."

SNIP

374 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:27:26am

re: #366 Spare O'Lake

Do you feel the UN peacekeepers who are currently sifting through the rubble for survivors are 'useless'?

375 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:28:07am

re: #118 Jimmah

A genuine anti-semite probably wouldn't be interested in the idea of peace between the Jews and anyone, so that would be a tough sell if one were speaking only to a 'bunch of anti-semites'.

To suggest that everyone on the left who supports the idea of peace in the middle east (a category which includes, among other things, a great many Jews) is an anti-semite is ludicrous.

Those supporting the boycotts are, by and large, not interested in peace. They're interested in the demonization of Israel.

But getting good information out is always good, and may be influential in shaping the ideas of people who mean well, but are getting bad information.

376 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:28:50am

re: #372 laZardo

The peacekeepers can't do their regular duties at the moment because they're trying to pick up the pieces of their own contingents right now; so the already precarious law enforcement situation is even worse.

With the Marines and US Army units preparing to come ashore over the next few days, things will start to progress at a faster clip. No one else on the planet can move that many troops as fast or as far in so short a time.

377 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:28:56am

re: #361 Mad Al-Jaffee

Lunch is usually a bowl of soup (homemade about 50% of the time) and I make a toasted cheese sandwich rather than using lunch meat. Or I microwave leftovers depending on what is kicking around.

Hmm, have a sudden hankering for some meatloaf right now. :-/

378 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:30:44am

re: #376 lawhawk

The peacekeepers can't do their regular duties at the moment because they're trying to pick up the pieces of their own contingents right now; so the already precarious law enforcement situation is even worse.

With the Marines and US Army units preparing to come ashore over the next few days, things will start to progress at a faster clip. No one else on the planet can move that many troops as fast or as far in so short a time.

will they shoot to kill looters?...Haitians will stop at nothing to eat and drink or grab some loot....this is going to be messy imo

379 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:30:48am

re: #369 oaktree

It wasn't until I was in my 30s and starting to do more cooking from scratch for myself (and discussing cooking with my brother) that the realization came that my mother was not that good of a cook. She had been trained by her mother, did a lot of stuff passably by rote, assembled books of recipes clipped from magazines, etc., but really didn't do much that was especially good. (Exception: cookies and pies; her family had a friend that was a pro and she was taught to make a good pie crust.)

My father was the more experimental one. He made chili, grilled a lot, and tried different things.

A typical middle-class American upbringing. Spaghetti with sauce from the jar, mashed sweet potatoes with marshmellow creme on top, overcooked beef (unless Dad grilled steaks), and all the boiled vegetables that youngsters hate to eat. No turnips though - my mother had to eat turnips as a child and thus refused to make and serve them as an adult.

I was such a picky kid when it came to food that I was a terrible kid to feed. Now, I admit I'm still picky, but I have no problem eating tofu, lentils, and most of the stuff I refused to eat as a kid.

My husband, while a great cook, often has days when he goes for the easiest solution (he has bad headaches). When he's up on his game and willing to experiment, though, he's fantastic.

380 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:31:21am

My brother and I also want to track down whoever came up with the idea of ruining a perfectly good tuber dish by burying mashed sweet potatoes under a massive layer of brown sugar or marshmellow.

381 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:31:39am

re: #376 lawhawk

With the Marines and US Army units preparing to come ashore over the next few days, things will start to progress at a faster clip.

And folks on the left will scream "Fascists!!!"

382 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:32:25am

re: #381 Mad Al-Jaffee

And folks on the left will scream "Fascists!!!"

....while they pig out on another Big Mac

383 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:32:31am

re: #377 oaktree

Lunch is usually a bowl of soup (homemade about 50% of the time) and I make a toasted cheese sandwich rather than using lunch meat. Or I microwave leftovers depending on what is kicking around.

Hmm, have a sudden hankering for some meatloaf right now. :-/

Oh, hubby is planning on making meatloaf either tonight or tomorrow. And his meatloaf is superb.

384 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:32:36am

re: #355 Obdicut

Cool, let the games begin.
In the instance of Devore, and the Governors seat I personally am far more concerned with the economy than the progressive social agenda. California will have gay marriage one day, and better not be bankrupt at the time. Since California has a generous civil union situation as compared to many states, its a lesser issue than there.

I do support Tom Campbell on fiscal grounds as well. Disclosure-I'm independent so the primary is not for me.

385 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:32:48am

re: #373 MandyManners

I got that back at #88, thanks.

386 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:32:58am

re: #206 stevemcg

I wonder if she really learned anything?


[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

"Wife of former Governor McGreevey speaks out against gay marriage" Wouldn't she have been better off if her ex-husband wasn't forced to marry a woman? She says (it sounds high) that 2 million marriages a year blow up like hers did. And preventing gay marriage stops that from happening how...?

"If I can't have him...no man can!"

I don't know. I don't really see a connection here.

387 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:33:05am

re: #377 oaktree

Lunch is usually a bowl of soup (homemade about 50% of the time) and I make a toasted cheese sandwich rather than using lunch meat. Or I microwave leftovers depending on what is kicking around.

Hmm, have a sudden hankering for some meatloaf right now. :-/

I'm looking forward to lunch today. Smoked turkey and provolone on ciabatta bread (with hot peppers and Italian dressing), with some blue corn tortilla chips, and an apple for later on.

388 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:33:55am

re: #379 vxbush

I definitely eat a lot of foods I wouldn't touch as a child.

Something I find interesting is to take foods that I don't think of as exotic (such as stuffed grape leaves) to my cribbage club. Essentially a bunch of males age 45-85 who grew up in/near Philadelphia. Most, if not all, of them won't touch a bunch of stuff I think is real good. :)

389 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:34:07am

re: #370 Rightwingconspirator

Not all. Besides any politician that chooses to keep their religion personal, has the right to run without taking heat for their beliefs. To me the red line on that is when their religious beliefs are applied at work as in creationist text books etc.

The thing is, Republicans (these days) tend to keep their religion a lot less personal. It's why they get called out so often when it comes to their little office affairs, because they're the ones preaching the moral standard from the high hills while Democrats focus on the issues.

390 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:34:31am

re: #387 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm looking forward to lunch today. Smoked turkey and provolone on ciabatta bread (with hot peppers and Italian dressing), with some blue corn tortilla chips, and an apple for later on.

Not bad. The rest of a humongous baked potato for me, topped with turkey, bacon, cheeses, and green onions.

391 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:34:45am

re: #248 MandyManners

A roadside bomb struck a family traveling home after visiting a shrine Friday in southern Afghanistan, killing five people, including four children.


I wonder who Coakley thinks did it 'cause there are not terrorists over there according to her.

Coakley said there are no terrorists in Afghanistan?

392 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:34:53am

re: #384 Rightwingconspirator

I'm sorry, but again, you're presenting DeVore as a moderate. I am taking issue with that characterization of him. Saying that gay marriage will lead to polygamy and pedophilia is not a moderate position.

He also thinks that tort reform is the main solution to health care costs, despite the fact that areas that have enacted tort reform have shown no reduction in health care costs.

Can you explain what it is you like about him, and what about his views you feel are 'moderate'?

393 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:35:10am

re: #390 vxbush

Not bad. The rest of a humongous baked potato for me, topped with turkey, bacon, cheeses, and green onions.

PB&J for me. :D

394 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:35:32am

re: #381 Mad Al-Jaffee

And folks on the left will scream "Fascists!!!"

Conversely, "That's what they should've been doing, not fighting some senseless war for oil!"

Or, for a middle ground, "Where were they during Katrina?"

395 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:35:53am

re: #388 oaktree

I definitely eat a lot of foods I wouldn't touch as a child.

Something I find interesting is to take foods that I don't think of as exotic (such as stuffed grape leaves) to my cribbage club. Essentially a bunch of males age 45-85 who grew up in/near Philadelphia. Most, if not all, of them won't touch a bunch of stuff I think is real good. :)

Me too, especially lots of vegetables and mushrooms. But I still will never eat mayonaise (or anything mayo based), sardines or anchovies.

396 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:36:00am

re: #378 albusteve

I'm not sure what the ROE will be for the Marines and Army soldiers, but it would probably be to lock them up in detention facilities, whether it's on board the Navy ships or at some facility on shore. They may try to impose curfews to limit looting but that's up to the Haitian government to decide. One of the reasons the UN was there was because the government was so ineffectual to begin with.

It looks like we've got another nation-building case on our hands.

One thing we can be thankful for at the moment is that weather patterns isn't producing any rain for the moment, which is good news as impassible roads wont become mud-choked with still more debris, or that rain will cause additional mudslides among the ruins.

397 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:36:21am

re: #118 Jimmah

A genuine anti-semite probably wouldn't be interested in the idea of peace between the Jews and anyone, so that would be a tough sell if one were speaking only to a 'bunch of anti-semites'.

To suggest that everyone on the left who supports the idea of peace in the middle east (a category which includes, among other things, a great many Jews) is an anti-semite is ludicrous.

Someone who believes that peace in the Middle East can be achieved by unilateral concessions and withdrawals by Israel, is utterly clueless and naive. Someone who believes that the failure to achieve peace in the Middle East is Israel's fault and Israel's alone, or Israel's mostly, may be a Jew hater (I do not like the term "anti-Semite")

398 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:36:35am

re: #395 Mad Al-Jaffee

Me too, especially lots of vegetables and mushrooms. But I still will never eat mayonaise (or anything mayo based), sardines or anchovies.

I'm about the only person I know that loves anchovies on pizza.

/apart from Dr. Zoidberg.

//on the other hand, I never got adjusted to pineapples on pizza.

399 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:36:39am

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist

Coakley said there are no terrorists in Afghanistan?

Several links here over the past few days.

400 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:37:21am

re: #394 laZardo

Or, for a middle ground, "Where were they during Katrina?"

Shooting 500 black men and burying them in seekrit graves! I know it's true because Cynthia McKinney said so!

401 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:37:55am

re: #383 vxbush

Oh, hubby is planning on making meatloaf either tonight or tomorrow. And his meatloaf is superb.

Does he use anything special in particular to glaze the top/sides?

I also recently started making meatloaf not using a bread pan - use a cookie sheet and get a much less greasy result since the pan allows more of the fat to cook out.

402 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:38:49am

re: #374 Obdicut

Do you feel the UN peacekeepers who are currently sifting through the rubble for survivors are 'useless'?

I wish the soldiers on the ground in Haiti, who are members of the armed forces of member states, Godspeed. They have a vital role to play.
The UN is however a worse than useless, corrupt organization led and substantially controlled by unprincipled whores.

403 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:38:57am

I've seen some snark from the left over Obama picking President Bush to help with the Haiti relief efforts, based on the craziness relating to Katrina (and all the misinformation about the federal government response - including that the state and local authorities failed miserably to carry out their obligations and the federal government just couldn't waltz in under federal law (posse comitatus).

404 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:39:25am

re: #388 oaktree

I definitely eat a lot of foods I wouldn't touch as a child.

Something I find interesting is to take foods that I don't think of as exotic (such as stuffed grape leaves) to my cribbage club. Essentially a bunch of males age 45-85 who grew up in/near Philadelphia. Most, if not all, of them won't touch a bunch of stuff I think is real good. :)

Heh. Well, regional variations account for some of that. Growing up, my grandmother made a ground lunchmeat mix of bologna, peanuts, and pickle relish mixed with Miracle Whip. She fed it to us on bread when we were young, and now, looking back on it, it sounds so odd.

405 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:39:35am

re: #401 oaktree

Does he use anything special in particular to glaze the top/sides?

I also recently started making meatloaf not using a bread pan - use a cookie sheet and get a much less greasy result since the pan allows more of the fat to cook out.

I make meatlof in my smoker, and I glaze the top with barbecue sauce.

406 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:39:47am

Chicken enchiladas, refried beans, rice, guacamole, pico de gallo and salsa for dinner tomorrow night.

407 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:39:56am

re: #390 vxbush

Not bad. The rest of a humongous baked potato for me, topped with turkey, bacon, cheeses, and green onions.

Picky eaters are annoying. Eating comes in right behind sex in my list of favorite things to do. Nothing better than finding some off the road, mom and pop place and trying whatever happens to be their specialty.

408 badger1970  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:40:08am

re: #388 oaktree

I definitely eat a lot of foods I wouldn't touch as a child.

Something I find interesting is to take foods that I don't think of as exotic (such as stuffed grape leaves) to my cribbage club. Essentially a bunch of males age 45-85 who grew up in/near Philadelphia. Most, if not all, of them won't touch a bunch of stuff I think is real good. :)

That's a game I haven't played since I moved down south. I miss it despite learning it at a young age with an impatient grandfather.

409 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:40:25am

re: #403 lawhawk

I've seen some snark from the left over Obama picking President Bush to help with the Haiti relief efforts, based on the craziness relating to Katrina (and all the misinformation about the federal government response - including that the state and local authorities failed miserably to carry out their obligations and the federal government just couldn't waltz in under federal law (posse comitatus).

WAIT, WHAT.

/ O:

410 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:40:26am

re: #398 laZardo

I'm about the only person I know that loves anchovies on pizza.


Love anchovies on pizza. Only problem is the pizza maker hates them so they only put on one per slice. Got to remind them that I really like the anchovies.

411 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:40:49am

re: #406 MandyManners

Chicken enchiladas, refried beans, rice, guacamole, pico de gallo and salsa for dinner tomorrow night.

Can ya bring us the leftovers?! :)

412 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:41:11am

re: #405 Mad Al-Jaffee

I make meatlof in my smoker.

I eat meatloaf after I smoke.

413 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:41:22am

re: #397 Alouette

I think, in a wierd, twisted way, the idea that Israel can solve the situation on its own is an implicit acceptance that Israel is the only ethical actor in the situation. I think it shows an unconscious understanding that appealing to the sense of justice or fairness of Syria, Iran, Jordan, and Hamas* is futile, and the only nation involved to whom a philosophical appeal would find any root would be Israel.

Never mind that Israel could make every single concession in the book, and many Arab states would ignore them or work to undermine them, because having the Palestinians as a political tool works for them.

*Meaning the governments, not the people of these nations.

414 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:41:25am

re: #401 oaktree

Does he use anything special in particular to glaze the top/sides?

I also recently started making meatloaf not using a bread pan - use a cookie sheet and get a much less greasy result since the pan allows more of the fat to cook out.

He has a special pan that lets all the fat drain out and collect outside the loaf. The results are much better. As for "special," he prefers to cook his without any glazing and lets us choose toppings. Me, I have no problem putting a huge dollop of ketchup on it. And meatloaf sandwiches the next day? Heaven on earth.

415 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:41:29am

re: #396 lawhawk

I'm not sure what the ROE will be for the Marines and Army soldiers, but it would probably be to lock them up in detention facilities, whether it's on board the Navy ships or at some facility on shore. They may try to impose curfews to limit looting but that's up to the Haitian government to decide. One of the reasons the UN was there was because the government was so ineffectual to begin with.

It looks like we've got another nation-building case on our hands.

One thing we can be thankful for at the moment is that weather patterns isn't producing any rain for the moment, which is good news as impassible roads wont become mud-choked with still more debris, or that rain will cause additional mudslides among the ruins.

exactly...I'm very pessimistic with regard to the Haitians being able to do much for themselves...the military there should make it a priority to break the backs of the gangs and seize weapons, for one thing...and with nothing to lose that alone could be disasterous...like the illegal Jamaicans up and down the east coast etc...these guys shoot to kill and will never be sent back to Jamaica...I'm thinking the same for the Haitian gangs

416 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:41:52am

re: #411 Varek Raith

Can ya bring us the leftovers?! :)

There will be none.

417 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:42:25am

re: #406 MandyManners

Chicken enchiladas, refried beans, rice, guacamole, pico de gallo and salsa for dinner tomorrow night.

Got room for me? I'll bring the beer!

418 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:42:32am

re: #407 RogueOne

Picky eaters are annoying. Eating comes in right behind sex in my list of favorite things to do. Nothing better than finding some off the road, mom and pop place and trying whatever happens to be their specialty.

Well, now being picky actually is good for me, as I have to find out if what I'm being fed has gluten in it. It avoids a lot of trouble.

419 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:42:43am

re: #406 MandyManners

Chicken enchiladas, refried beans, rice, guacamole, pico de gallo and salsa for dinner tomorrow night.

I would just bring it right to the B'room and cut out the middle man!

420 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:43:25am

re: #413 Obdicut

I think, in a wierd, twisted way, the idea that Israel can solve the situation on its own is an implicit acceptance that Israel is the only ethical actor in the situation. I think it shows an unconscious understanding that appealing to the sense of justice or fairness of Syria, Iran, Jordan, and Hamas* is futile, and the only nation involved to whom a philosophical appeal would find any root would be Israel.

Never mind that Israel could make every single concession in the book, and many Arab states would ignore them or work to undermine them, because having the Palestinians as a political tool works for them.

*Meaning the governments, not the people of these nations.

Horsefeathers. Those who demand Israel make unilateral concessions see Israel as the bad actors.

421 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:43:41am

re: #407 RogueOne

Picky eaters are annoying. Eating comes in right behind sex in my list of favorite things to do. Nothing better than finding some off the road, mom and pop place and trying whatever happens to be their specialty.

That reminds me of Robert Rodriguez in his "Five Minute Cooking School" (a bonus feature on one of his dvds.) He said something like, "I know people who don't know how to cook. And to me, that's like not knowing how to fuck."

422 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:43:56am

re: #417 Mad Al-Jaffee

Got room for me? I'll bring the beer!

Make that a bottle of Basel and I'll consider it.

423 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:44:15am

re: #419 Ben Hur

Ewww.

424 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:44:57am

re: #406 MandyManners

Chicken enchiladas, refried beans, rice, guacamole, pico de gallo and salsa for dinner tomorrow night.

*drools and licks chops*

425 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:45:12am

re: #424 Spare O'Lake

*drools and licks chops*

in bed

426 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:45:47am

re: #420 MandyManners

I don't think you really got what I was getting at, Mandy. I'm not saying they acknowledge what they're doing. I'm saying it's an unconscious sign that they realize Israel, as a real democracy, is the only ethical actor in the situation.

427 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:47:02am

You know, Mandy, you talking about your chicken enchiladas is making me think of the hubby's chicken and rice enchiladas. I'm really starting to get hungry.

428 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:47:20am

Haitian President Preval:

President Preval closed by passing a message to the American people, "from the bottom of my heart and on behalf of the Haitian people, thank you, thank you, thank you."

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

429 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:47:33am

re: #418 vxbush

Well, now being picky actually is good for me, as I have to find out if what I'm being fed has gluten in it. It avoids a lot of trouble.

I wouldn't consider that picky, just sensible.

430 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:47:47am

re: #413 Obdicut

I think, in a wierd, twisted way...

Yes you do.

431 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:47:47am

re: #421 Mad Al-Jaffee

That reminds me of Robert Rodriguez in his "Five Minute Cooking School" (a bonus feature on one of his dvds.) He said something like, "I know people who don't know how to cook. And to me, that's like not knowing how to fuck."

Now, that's a way with words.

432 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:48:07am

re: #424 Spare O'Lake

*drools and licks chops*

Need a mop for the drool?

433 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:48:30am

re: #426 Obdicut

I don't think you really got what I was getting at, Mandy. I'm not saying they acknowledge what they're doing. I'm saying it's an unconscious sign that they realize Israel, as a real democracy, is the only ethical actor in the situation.

No, they don't. They hate Jews.

434 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:49:00am

re: #427 vxbush

You know, Mandy, you talking about your chicken enchiladas is making me think of the hubby's chicken and rice enchiladas. I'm really starting to get hungry.

Rice in the enchiladas? Does he cook the rice first?

435 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:49:38am

re: #419 Ben Hur

I would just bring it right to the B'room and cut out the middle man!

You like to eat mexican food in your bedroom? You have some weird fetish you want to tell us about?

436 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:49:38am

re: #430 Spare O'Lake

Can you explain what problem you had with what I said about Israel?

437 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:49:50am

re: #426 Obdicut

And that they hate Jews and all that Israel stands for plays a role as well. They figure that they'll play on the ethical democracy in Israel to make concessions, all while asking nothing of the terrorists or any of the other regimes in the region to do anything but promise that they wont go to war.

438 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:49:57am

re: #428 Stanley Sea

Aristide's making noises about returning.

439 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:50:02am

re: #408 badger1970

I learned and played it with my brother. A few games now and then when visiting.

A few years back I stopped in a game store near Philly right after moving there. Turned out it was an "open game" day with 5-6 people in there playing boardgames. In conversation during a game one guy asked me if I played cribbage. Turns out that he ran the local grassroots club. I needed another social outlet so I joined up and now play nine games every Monday evening. An interesting social circle, especially with the three navy vets there I can talk military history with. (The one that was on the USS Franklin even brought in his "plank owner" certificate for me to look at.)

440 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:50:12am

re: #426 Obdicut

I don't think you really got what I was getting at, Mandy. I'm not saying they acknowledge what they're doing. I'm saying it's an unconscious sign that they realize Israel, as a real democracy, is the only ethical actor in the situation.

I didn't get that from your comment either. Thanks for clarifying.

441 laZardo  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:50:46am

Gonna head to bed.

Also, any group that trains children to become furry suicide bombers deserves a cruise missile up the yiff-hole.

/and that's all I got to say about that. :x

442 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:52:05am

re: #441 laZardo

Gonna head to bed.

Also, any group that trains children to become furry suicide bombers deserves a cruise missile up the yiff-hole.

/and that's all I got to say about that. :x

It's always furries with you, ain't it?!
///

443 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:52:11am
The White House reports that as of about 8:30 a.m. ET this morning, Americans had donated more than $8 million for Haiti relief -- all of it from $10 donations by text message.

This TPM Haiti live is great for updates

444 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:52:18am
445 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:52:19am

re: #414 vxbush

That works. I usually glaze now using a spicy steak/utility sauce that is a good mix of sweet and hot. I also tend to spice my meatloaf a bit "hot" using some cayenne pepper in any case.

Also have a recipe for a "meatloaf" using canned salmon. That gets glazed with jalopeno jelly and comes out quite spicy. Goes real well with rice.

446 badger1970  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:52:32am

re: #439 oaktree

That's cool.

447 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:52:52am

How in the world is MN a +3 favorite over Dallas?
[Link: www.footballlocks.com...]

448 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:53:54am

My best cooking discovery from last year is canned chipotles in adobo sauce. They're cheap, hot, smokey and versatile. Awesome in chili and spicey stews.

449 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:53:59am

More from TPM Live Wire on Haiti

The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said today that he expects 9,000 to 10,000 U.S. troops will be in Haiti by Monday to help with relief efforts and maintain order.

450 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:54:00am

Cause Dawwas is gonna wose.
/:)

451 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:54:29am

Voters are even more convinced now that the news media have too much influence on the actions of government and try to help political candidates they want to win. Most also still think the average reporter is more liberal than they are.

interesting take on AmIdol politics

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

452 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:54:45am

re: #447 RogueOne

How in the world is MN a +3 favorite over Dallas?
[Link: www.footballlocks.com...]

home field

453 badger1970  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:55:12am

re: #447 RogueOne

Home field accounts usually to 2.5 to 3pts.

454 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:55:16am

re: #434 MandyManners

Rice in the enchiladas? Does he cook the rice first?

He cooks the rice in a mixture with salsa and several other seasonings. It gives the rice a very different flavor that mixes great with the chicken.

455 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:55:20am

re: #437 lawhawk

I know plenty of people who protest against Israel and want Israel to make concessions who do not in the least bit hate Jews, including many Jews.

It is facile to say that everyone who makes unreasonable demands of Israel hates Jews. Many are simply utterly naive. Lots of Berkeley students fit this mold, for example, as do many general 'anti-war' protester types who see Israel was waging war, rather than involved in a struggle that literally cannot be ended unilaterally.

There are plenty of Jew-haters, Jew-fearers, etc. etc. who attack Israel, I'm not in the least bit denying that. But there are also plenty of people who's feelings on the subject are constrained to Israel, and not to Jews in general. They're no less wrong, and no less misguided, but it's certainly an error that's easier to correct.

456 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:55:34am

re: #451 albusteve

Voters are even more convinced now that the news media have too much influence on the actions of government and try to help political candidates they want to win. Most also still think the average reporter is more liberal than they are.

interesting take on AmIdol politics

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

This poll can't be accurate, only Nate Silver polls are accurate, all the others are shit.

457 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:56:08am

re: #381 Mad Al-Jaffee

And folks on the left will scream "Fascists!!!"

Let them scream. This is no time for niceties.

458 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:56:18am

BBC: The US will have 10,000 troops in and around Haiti by Monday.

459 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:56:20am

re: #456 Walter L. Newton

This poll can't be accurate, only Nate Silver polls are accurate, all the others are shit.

I know that...just baiting the droolers

460 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:56:33am

re: #454 vxbush

He cooks the rice in a mixture with salsa and several other seasonings. It gives the rice a very different flavor that mixes great with the chicken.

Sounds interesting and yummy.

461 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:56:55am

re: #455 Obdicut

I know plenty of people who protest against Israel and want Israel to make concessions who do not in the least bit hate Jews, including many Jews.

It is facile to say that everyone who makes unreasonable demands of Israel hates Jews. Many are simply utterly naive. Lots of Berkeley students fit this mold, for example, as do many general 'anti-war' protester types who see Israel was waging war, rather than involved in a struggle that literally cannot be ended unilaterally.

There are plenty of Jew-haters, Jew-fearers, etc. etc. who attack Israel, I'm not in the least bit denying that. But there are also plenty of people who's feelings on the subject are constrained to Israel, and not to Jews in general. They're no less wrong, and no less misguided, but it's certainly an error that's easier to correct.

And where do you fit into those categories above, Jew-haters, Jew-fearers, utterly naive, supporter?

462 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:56:56am

re: #445 oaktree

That works. I usually glaze now using a spicy steak/utility sauce that is a good mix of sweet and hot. I also tend to spice my meatloaf a bit "hot" using some cayenne pepper in any case.

Also have a recipe for a "meatloaf" using canned salmon. That gets glazed with jalopeno jelly and comes out quite spicy. Goes real well with rice.

I've had to say goodbye to really spicy foods. My stomach, which used to be made of iron, can no longer take it.

463 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:57:21am

re: #444 MandyManners

Hurry up, Jews. You're late for the showers.

?

464 vxbush  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:57:36am

re: #460 MandyManners

Sounds interesting and yummy.

Oh, and I think he uses a long-grain and wild rice mixture.

465 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:57:39am

bbiab

466 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:58:19am

re: #459 albusteve

I know that...just baiting the droolers

Just got out of bed, took a shower, took a therapeutic dose of ibuprofen, getting ready to leave in a few hours for shlepping furniture work, and I needed that laugh.

LOL.

467 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:58:29am

re: #436 Obdicut

Can you explain what problem you had with what I said about Israel?

See #440.
Even with the clarification, you should know that Israel has always been held to a different standard than other nations in terms of what a sovereign nation may do to protect its citizens. In that context, this business of using Israel's morality as a pressure point to restrict its behaviour in a hostile, immoral neighbourhood, is very problematic.

468 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:59:24am

re: #435 RogueOne

You like to eat mexican food in your bedroom? You have some weird fetish you want to tell us about?

........for ecstasy, a burrito.

469 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:59:32am

Morning All!

What's up today?

470 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:00:11am

re: #461 Walter L. Newton

What are you talking about? Are you seriously asking me if I'm a Jew-hater or a Jew-fearer? You remember that I'm Jewish, right?

And would someone who was utterly naive know that they were utterly naive?

Can you not tell, from me saying that no matter what Israel did, the Arab states would confound it, reject it, and continue to press Israel, what my position is? How can that confuse you? Israel is the most ethical-- or the only ethical-- nation involved. They are the only real democracy. They have my support, though, like my own nation, they do not have my support for every action they take.

471 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:00:37am

re: #455 Obdicut

It is facile to say that everyone who makes unreasonable demands of Israel hates Jews. Many are simply utterly naive

I don't see how making unreasonable demands just means people are 'naive'

First, there are far too many (imho) making such demands. You would think at least a portion of them would understand what their actions mean!
Secondly, if they truly are naive, I doubt they even understand what those demands would be, reasonable or otherwise

472 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:00:50am

Nate does not poll, but he does a comment and analyze other polling. Real Clear politics has a poll of polls and you'll notice Rasmussen is -7 off the average of all other polls, and thus the Fox favorite.

Poll averages,

473 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:01:00am

re: #467 Spare O'Lake

See #440.
Even with the clarification, you should know that Israel has always been held to a different standard than other nations in terms of what a sovereign nation may do to protect its citizens. In that context, this business of using Israel's morality as a pressure point to restrict its behaviour in a hostile, immoral neighbourhood, is very problematic.

Something the US and Israel have in common.

474 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:02:25am

re: #470 Obdicut

What are you talking about? Are you seriously asking me if I'm a Jew-hater or a Jew-fearer? You remember that I'm Jewish, right?

And would someone who was utterly naive know that they were utterly naive?

Can you not tell, from me saying that no matter what Israel did, the Arab states would confound it, reject it, and continue to press Israel, what my position is? How can that confuse you? Israel is the most ethical-- or the only ethical-- nation involved. They are the only real democracy. They have my support, though, like my own nation, they do not have my support for every action they take.

Yes, I was seriously asking you, you got a problem with that. I don't ever see you holding back asking commenters questions here, even going as far as telling some one how they should respond here.

So, tough shit, I asked a simple question, I wanted you to make a simple, non-fuzzy answer to a question.

Sorry to harsh your buzz.

475 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:02:53am

re: #472 avanti

Nate does not poll, but he does a comment and analyze other polling. Real Clear politics has a poll of polls and you'll notice Rasmussen is -7 off the average of all other polls, and thus the Fox favorite.

Poll averages,

That's why I brought up Nate.

476 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:03:10am

re: #472 avanti

Nate does not poll, but he does a comment and analyze other polling. Real Clear politics has a poll of polls and you'll notice Rasmussen is -7 off the average of all other polls, and thus the Fox favorite.

Poll averages,

BO is tanking, regardless of which poll or a few points mean

477 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:04:00am
478 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:04:06am

re: #474 Walter L. Newton

Well, I answered it. I think your question was idiotically redundant, given what I already said.

479 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:04:20am

re: #448 Mad Al-Jaffee

My friend with the hot-sauce business (the steak sauce I use is one of his products) sent me three jars of bread-and-butter jalopeno peppers. Something different, and really good on cheeseburgers. He's a fan of good flavor with some heat, which matches well with my dislike of "death sauce" that is nothing but heat.

I never have a shortage of presents for friends at Christmas due to him. Chile pepper relish, hot sauce, steak sauce, and he keeps coming up with new stuff.

I need to try more Mexican-style cooking. So far most of my experimentation has been towards Chinese/Thai or classical Italian dishes. (I've come to appreciate a good risotto.)

480 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:05:12am

re: #478 Obdicut

Well, I answered it. I think your question was idiotically redundant, given what I already said.

As i said... "even going as far as telling some one how they should respond here."

Thanks for the answer.

481 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:05:19am

re: #455 Obdicut

You know, I disapprove of a lot of things about Van Halen. I think the way that Van Halen have hired and fired singers with no notice is classless in the extreme. I think Eddie is personally to blame for his unique whammied-up guitar style becoming such an Eighties cliche. I think Van Halen are a bloated, strife-ridden corporate entity, whose contract squabbles are at least as interesting as their music. I think Van Halen fans are uniformly and irredeemably obnoxious, in their triumphalist mockery of predecessors like The Who and Led Zeppelin. I think Van Halen in no way deserve to headline any bill, or even to be able to book most venues. I think Van Halen’s continued existence stifles the emergence and growth of newer, fresher bands. Indeed, it could not be construed as much of a loss if Van Halen and its fans were to disappear altogether, in some non-violent way.

But that doesn't make me anti-Van Halenist.

482 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:05:58am

re: #478 Obdicut

Well, I answered it. I think your question was idiotically redundant, given what I already said.

kinda like the question you put forth...are UN workers useless if they are digging for victims?

483 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:06:24am

re: #458 lawhawk

BBC: The US will have 10,000 troops in and around Haiti by Monday.

Grauniad headline: "U.S. War Machine Displaces Humanitarian NGOs"

484 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:07:23am

re: #482 albusteve

How so?

485 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:07:29am

re: #477 Walter L. Newton

There is a lot more to Danny than Lethal Weapon. Nothing, tho that I see, that qualifies him as climate science expert.

486 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:07:37am

re: #477 Walter L. Newton

On the bright(er) side, I heard 3 different 'conservative" radio talk hosts taking Robertson to task on his comments re; Haiti
Yesterday morning on my way to work, both Mike Gallagher and Neal Boortz were voiced their disgust 9with Boortz continually calling Robertson a "PUTZ") and lasy night on my drive home Michael Savage questioned if Robertson was going senile

487 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:07:50am

re: #483 The Sanity Inspector

Grauniad headline: "U.S. War Machine Displaces Humanitarian NGOs"

'Grauniad', had to google that. Lol.

488 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:08:18am

re: #479 oaktree

I like to use the chopped, canned green chilis too. But the chipotles in adobo are damn near addictive.

489 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:08:26am

re: #477 Walter L. Newton

490 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:08:40am

re: #481 The Sanity Inspector

I agree to all that...popularity means little in the bigger picture...Van Halen is another pop rocker more concerned with money than anything to do with their musical horizon

491 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:09:03am
492 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:09:04am

re: #481 The Sanity Inspector

Whoa...easy on the VH bashing...(i realize...or at least hope tongue was firmly in cheek for that outburst...)
now i gotta go comfort my super-strat...

493 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:09:18am

re: #483 The Sanity Inspector

Grauniad headline: "U.S. War Machine Displaces Humanitarian NGOs"

G-damn right! Now some real work will get done.

G-d, I love our soldiers.

494 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:09:51am

re: #484 Obdicut

How so?

how so what?...your question was ridiculous, hardly to be taken seriously

495 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:10:09am

Yesterday we were talking about Obama proposed tax on the 50 biggest bank to recover the tarp money. Many of my right wing friends opposed the tax for various reasons, but many said how badly it would hurt the big banks.
Here's the figures the GOP will have to defend the big banks:
from WSJ:

Major U.S. banks and securities firms are on pace to pay their people about $145 billion for 2009, a record sum that indicates how compensation is climbing despite fury over Wall Street's pay culture.

An analysis by The Wall Street Journal shows that executives, traders, investment bankers, money managers and others at 38 top financial companies can expect to earn nearly 18% more than they did in 2008—and slightly more than in the record year of 2007. The conclusions are based on an examination of securities filings for the first nine months of 2009 and revenue estimates through year-end."

If they would just pass up part of that 18% pay raise, they could more than pay the tarp tax without affecting their bottom line. It will be interesting to see the GOP side with the banks after a record pay raise and many muti million dollar bonuses.

496 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:10:39am

re: #487 Varek Raith

'Grauniad', had to google that. Lol.

But, how do you pronounce it?

497 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:10:43am

re: #488 Mad Al-Jaffee

I like to use the chopped, canned green chilis too. But the chipotles in adobo are damn near addictive.

green chilis!
2pts

498 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:10:48am

re: #489 lawhawk

My link was to that video.

499 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:12:32am

re: #476 albusteve

BO is tanking, regardless of which poll or a few points mean

Yep, he's polling just like Reagan did before the economy recovered in his first term, no question. Reagan came back when it turned, we'll see on Obama.

500 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:12:42am

re: #392 Obdicut

Work intrudes I promise I'll post later...

501 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:12:44am

re: #488 Mad Al-Jaffee

I like to use the chopped, canned green chilis too. But the chipotles in adobo are damn near addictive.

I have a friend who makes green salsa that I can't get enough of.

fresh, home-made, family recipe -mmmmmmm!

502 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:12:51am

re: #463 SanFranciscoZionist

?

It was a clumsy way to compare Israel being told to make unilateral concessions with Jews being told to line up and shut up during the Holocaust.

503 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:13:26am

re: #494 albusteve

My question was to point out that what SpareOLake had said was a tasteless thing, in the context of the recent UN dead. He made an absolutist statement.

Do you feel I made an absolutist statement in the same way he did?

re: #500 Rightwingconspirator

Work intrudes I promise I'll post later...

No worries. I know you're good for it.

504 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:13:31am

re: #497 albusteve

green chilis!
2pts

A lot of chili recipes insist that you use fresh peppers, or dried and rehydrated ones, but I find the canned ones wasy to work with and great tasting.

505 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:14:05am

Why, Why, Why do the dogs wait until I sit down to tell me they have to go out?

bbshortly.

506 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:14:10am

re: #486 sattv4u2

On the bright(er) side, I heard 3 different 'conservative" radio talk hosts taking Robertson to task on his comments re; Haiti
Yesterday morning on my way to work, both Mike Gallagher and Neal Boortz were voiced their disgust 9with Boortz continually calling Robertson a "PUTZ") and lasy night on my drive home Michael Savage questioned if Robertson was going senile

I've heard some (small l) libertarian/conservative talk show hosts trash Robertson, but I won't give Mike Gallagher any slack. Yesterday was the first time I ever listened to about an hour of his show and in the same breath, he said he was "uncomfortable" with what Rush said about the Haiti earthquake, and he admitted he couldn't bring himself to totally trash Rush, since Rush was the big daddy of all conservative talk show host and responsible for the whole industry.

Do want to talk against god, does he? I call bullshit on Gallagher.

507 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:14:17am
508 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:15:11am

re: #499 avanti

Yep, he's polling just like Reagan did before the economy recovered in his first term, no question. Reagan came back when it turned, we'll see on Obama.

keep whistling past the graveyard

Reagan didn;t start his 1st term at 65% +! AND ,,, he didn't drop 30%+ his 1st 11 months

509 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:16:00am

re: #507 albusteve

ahaha!...Danny Glover, spokesman for the Left makes yet another crackpot statement!...the dems are really fucked!...with leadership like him, they're gonna lose big in 2010!...the dems need to get rid of Glover and people like him...he's destroying the party

That was better right wing outrage... you do that really good. Do you write copy for Rush?

510 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:16:13am

re: #503 Obdicut

My question was to point out that what SpareOLake had said was a tasteless thing, in the context of the recent UN dead. He made an absolutist statement.

Do you feel I made an absolutist statement in the same way he did?

re: #500 Rightwingconspirator

No worries. I know you're good for it.

I feel you are boring with your wordsplitting, anal arguments

511 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:16:13am

re: #506 Walter L. Newton

I've heard some (small l) libertarian/conservative talk show hosts trash Robertson, but I won't give Mike Gallagher any slack. Yesterday was the first time I ever listened to about an hour of his show and in the same breath, he said he was "uncomfortable" with what Rush said about the Haiti earthquake, and he admitted he couldn't bring himself to totally trash Rush, since Rush was the big daddy of all conservative talk show host and responsible for the whole industry.

Do want to talk against god, does he? I call bullshit on Gallagher.

Maybe so but, he should not be cut ANY slack.

512 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:16:34am

re: #506 Walter L. Newton

I was just pleased to hear nationally syndicated talk host from the right denounce robertson, instead of trying to spin what he said

513 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:16:41am

I just read a post about people looting in Haiti on a lefty webiste. The reaction by some, of course, was "They wouldn't call it looting if it were white people doing it!"

514 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:17:16am

re: #508 sattv4u2

keep whistling past the graveyard

Reagan didn;t start his 1st term at 65% +! AND ,,, he didn't drop 30%+ his 1st 11 months

And he put things in place that actually helped the economy, not trash it like we see with Obama. Hell, Obama had a hat trick of economic news yesterday.

515 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:17:21am

re: #488 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'll give those a shot the next time I make a batch of chili. Currently use a can of the green chiles, so it should be an easy substitution.

Had the worst bowl of chili I ever saw in Philly a few years back. Eating dinner in a bar with some co-workers. Said chili appeared to be spiced with nothing *but* chile powder. And it had five tons of it in it. Inedible.

Something like the disappointment in getting hot wings where the spicing appears to be nothing but tabasco sauce. :p

516 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:17:30am

re: #509 Walter L. Newton

That was better right wing outrage... you do that really good. Do you write copy for Rush?

some days I feel like....I AM Rush!

517 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:18:26am

re: #513 Mad Al-Jaffee

I just read a post about people looting in Haiti on a lefty webiste. The reaction by some, of course, was "They wouldn't call it looting if it were white people doing it!"

WTF?

518 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:18:32am

re: #508 sattv4u2

keep whistling past the graveyard

Reagan didn;t start his 1st term at 65% +! AND ,,, he didn't drop 30%+ his 1st 11 months

True, but he had a much bigger drop, and to lower numbers:

"Approval peaked at 73 percent after he was wounded in a March 1981 assassination attempt, but tumbled to 42 percent in the early '80s recessions (unemployment hit a 40-year high in 1982). It recovered to 70 percent in early 1986 as the economy improved, but then dived by 26 points in nine months during the Iran-Contra scandal. "

519 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:18:40am

Mass Senate Seat > NY 23

520 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:19:06am

re: #516 albusteve

some days I feel like...I AM Rush!

Well, you do visit all those web sites that you should not be looking at, you know, like Drudge.

521 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:19:12am

re: #413 Obdicut

I think, in a wierd, twisted way, the idea that Israel can solve the situation on its own is an implicit acceptance that Israel is the only ethical actor in the situation. I think it shows an unconscious understanding that appealing to the sense of justice or fairness of Syria, Iran, Jordan, and Hamas* is futile, and the only nation involved to whom a philosophical appeal would find any root would be Israel.

Never mind that Israel could make every single concession in the book, and many Arab states would ignore them or work to undermine them, because having the Palestinians as a political tool works for them.

*Meaning the governments, not the people of these nations.

Unfortunately, this mindset works so thoroughly against Israel, that the twisted compliment is hardly worth it.

522 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:19:16am

re: #513 Mad Al-Jaffee

I just read a post about people looting in Haiti on a lefty webiste. The reaction by some, of course, was "They wouldn't call it looting if it were white people doing it!"

I guess we can't call them refugees.

523 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:19:17am

back

524 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:19:30am

re: #504 Mad Al-Jaffee

I tend to spice my chili (and I don't make it that hot compared to some) with fresh hot peppers (at least 2-3 varieties), a tbsp of hot pepper relish, cumin, and chile powder.

And I add beans since I'm not a Texan...

525 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:20:01am

re: #455 Obdicut

I know plenty of people who protest against Israel and want Israel to make concessions who do not in the least bit hate Jews, including many Jews.

It is facile to say that everyone who makes unreasonable demands of Israel hates Jews. Many are simply utterly naive. Lots of Berkeley students fit this mold, for example, as do many general 'anti-war' protester types who see Israel was waging war, rather than involved in a struggle that literally cannot be ended unilaterally.

There are plenty of Jew-haters, Jew-fearers, etc. etc. who attack Israel, I'm not in the least bit denying that. But there are also plenty of people who's feelings on the subject are constrained to Israel, and not to Jews in general. They're no less wrong, and no less misguided, but it's certainly an error that's easier to correct.

How would you classify Medea Benjamin and her compadres? Utterly clueless, naive, stupid, a Jew hater, or all of these?

As for the stupid claim that some people make, "I can't be an anti-Semite because I'm Jewish myself" I say utter bullshit. These people hate all other Jews except for themselves. This especially applies to the goons of Neturei Karta.

526 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:20:02am

re: #518 avanti

True, but he had a much bigger drop, and to lower numbers:

"Approval peaked at 73 percent after he was wounded in a March 1981 assassination attempt, but tumbled to 42 percent in the early '80s recessions (unemployment hit a 40-year high in 1982). It recovered to 70 percent in early 1986 as the economy improved, but then dived by 26 points in nine months during the Iran-Contra scandal. "

BO is tanking...BO is tanking, and Reagan has nothing to do with it...we are in there here and now Avanti

527 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:20:07am

re: #515 oaktree

You definitely should. Some recipes say to puree the chipotles, but I just put them on a cutting board and chop them until they're paste-like.

528 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:20:38am

re: #513 Mad Al-Jaffee

I just read a post about people looting in Haiti on a lefty webiste. The reaction by some, of course, was "They wouldn't call it looting if it were white people doing it!"

"Let them touch those things for once!"

/Celine

529 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:21:00am

re: #524 oaktree

I tend to spice my chili (and I don't make it that hot compared to some) with fresh hot peppers (at least 2-3 varieties), a tbsp of hot pepper relish, cumin, and chile powder.

And I add beans since I'm not a Texan...

Nor a New Mexican, obviously. All you need is Hatch green chile and beef.

530 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:21:57am

re: #516 albusteve

some days I feel like...I AM Rush!

Some days I hear Rush on one of the classic rock stations. "They call me the working man..."

531 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:22:35am

re: #455 Obdicut


It is facile to say that everyone who makes unreasonable demands of Israel hates Jews. Many are simply utterly naive. Lots of Berkeley students fit this mold, for example, as do many general 'anti-war' protester types who see Israel was waging war, rather than involved in a struggle that literally cannot be ended unilaterally.

I think this sums up a lot of people out there. They're operating from a dangerously naive set of ideas about race, power and politics that have been very skillfully manipulated by anti-Israel influences.

532 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:22:35am

re: #521 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, absolutely. It's almost more of an insult. It's frustrating as hell-- since the only hope of peace in the region is for the Arab states to make concessions-- or for the Palestinians to throw off the patronizing yoke the Arab states have put on them.

533 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:22:54am

re: #524 oaktree

And I add beans since I'm not a Texan...

Me too.

534 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:23:30am

re: #528 Alouette

"Let them touch those things for once!"

/Celine

Who?

535 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:23:38am

re: #461 Walter L. Newton

And where do you fit into those categories above, Jew-haters, Jew-fearers, utterly naive, supporter?

Walter, what do you see to make you say that?

536 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:23:42am

re: #529 wrenchwench

I suspect that in a number of circles my chili would not be recognized as such. Considering I even have a vegetarian variant (courtesy of my brother) where I use pearl barley or buckwheat as the "thickener" rather than heaps of beef.

(Though my fave is using ground venison and tons of extra garlic.)

537 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:23:52am

re: #526 albusteve

BO is tanking...BO is tanking, and Reagan has nothing to do with it...we are in there here and now Avanti

The point I was making is both tanked until the economy recovered. Here's a chart of both, but I predict Obama will recover faster than Reagan did. Just look at the link.

chart.

538 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:24:07am

re: #522 Ben Hur

I guess we can't call them refugees.

People who lose their homes but are still in their country are called "displaced persons."

539 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:24:12am

re: #467 Spare O'Lake

See #440.
Even with the clarification, you should know that Israel has always been held to a different standard than other nations in terms of what a sovereign nation may do to protect its citizens. In that context, this business of using Israel's morality as a pressure point to restrict its behaviour in a hostile, immoral neighbourhood, is very problematic.

I think he knows that.

540 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:24:44am

re: #536 oaktree

I suspect that in a number of circles my chili would not be recognized as such. Considering I even have a vegetarian variant (courtesy of my brother) where I use pearl barley or buckwheat as the "thickener" rather than heaps of beef.

(Though my fave is using ground venison and tons of extra garlic.)

upding for:

tons of extra garlic
541 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:24:47am

OBAMA, SARKOZY TO ORGANISE HAITI CONFERENCE: ELYSEE

Trying to figure if this is such a smart move, considering the history. The optimist in me says yes.

542 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:25:01am

re: #537 avanti

The point I was making is both tanked until the economy recovered. Here's a chart of both, but I predict Obama will recover faster than Reagan did. Just look at the link.

chart.

that's irrelevant

543 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:25:06am

re: #533 Mad Al-Jaffee

Me too.

Nooooooooooo... no BEANS... dammit!

544 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:25:20am

re: #532 Obdicut

Oh, absolutely. It's almost more of an insult. It's frustrating as hell-- since the only hope of peace in the region is for the Arab states to make concessions-- or for the Palestinians to throw off the patronizing yoke the Arab states have put on them.

The #1 obstacle to peace is not "settlements" but the utter refusal of the Arabs to allow the existence of the Jewish homeland on "their" turf. "Settlements" (i.e. Jews building towns and villages in areas that have been declared Jew-free) is just a subset of that rejectionist mindset.

545 Kragar  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:25:38am

re: #515 oaktree

Something like the disappointment in getting hot wings where the spicing appears to be nothing but tabasco sauce. :p

I've had that show up at my table once. Fried chickens wings soaking with tabasco sauce. I refused to pay for it.

546 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:26:26am

re: #494 albusteve

how so what?...your question was ridiculous, hardly to be taken seriously

Really? People chose a moment when some UN workers in Haiti were dead, and others were in the streets digging for victims, to say the UN was 'useless'. Fair question.

547 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:26:49am

re: #545 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've had that show up at my table once. Fried chickens wings soaking with tabasco sauce. I refused to pay for it.

The classic buffalo wing recipe uses a sauce that's just hot sauce (Frank's) and melted butter or margarine.

548 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:27:02am

re: #492 Boondock St. Bender

Whoa...easy on the VH bashing...(i realize...or at least hope tongue was firmly in cheek for that outburst...)
now i gotta go comfort my super-strat...

I was making an analogy to the "I hate Israel but don't have anything against Jews" mindset.

549 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:27:13am

re: #542 albusteve

that's irrelevant

OK, but you can save my prediction from this post. When the economy turns around later this year, Obama's approval will climb back into the mid to high 50's.

550 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:27:20am

re: #525 Alouette

I think she's an attention-whore, personally, with no real ideological stake. I think she doesn't care what reality is, or what the real fate of the Palestinian or Iraqi people are.

I do still think it's very rude to ask, casually, of a Jew, if they're a Jew-hater. Beyond rude, really. If they're the head of an organization that routinely and reflexively criticizes Israel while giving a free pass to Israel's enemies, sure-- but I don't do that.

551 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:27:22am

re: #505 ggt

Why, Why, Why do the dogs wait until I sit down to tell me they have to go out?

bbshortly.

They're being polite and waiting until you don't seem busy.

/

552 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:27:27am

re: #545 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've had that show up at my table once. Fried chickens wings soaking with tabasco sauce. I refused to pay for it.

Sounds like what passes for "Pasta Alfredo" that I get at banquets--since I always get the vegetarian option. I've learned to eat before I go.

553 badger1970  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:27:44am

re: #526 albusteve

And I don't see Obama invoking any type of supply-side economics in the near or far future.

554 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:27:54am

re: #545 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've had that show up at my table once. Fried chickens wings soaking with tabasco sauce. I refused to pay for it.

I prefer dry spicing hot wings as a result of a similar experience.

555 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:28:24am

re: #544 Alouette

Um, where did you see me talking about 'settlements'?

556 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:28:31am

re: #543 Walter L. Newton

Nooo... no BEANS... dammit!

don't be absurd...chili without beans is not chili....you stayed in Texas too long amigo, and you have some chili ground to make up....a bowl of mine and you will forget you ever lived there

557 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:29:01am

re: #535 SanFranciscoZionist

Walter, what do you see to make you say that?

I didn't see anything, like I said, I was asking an honest question. Why is there a problem with that? I only got mad when I'm questioned or it's implied that certain questions should not be asked.

And I already stated above that I was simply asking a question and was interested in where Obdicut stood on the issue.

I haven't read every comment on this thread, I just got up an hour ago, and I never suggested anything about Obdicut 's position, did I. I asked a question.

558 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:29:30am

re: #525 Alouette

How would you classify Medea Benjamin and her compadres? Utterly clueless, naive, stupid, a Jew hater, or all of these?

As for the stupid claim that some people make, "I can't be an anti-Semite because I'm Jewish myself" I say utter bullshit. These people hate all other Jews except for themselves. This especially applies to the goons of Neturei Karta.

I'd call Medea and her crew all of the above. I'd say that much of their support comes from people who are maybe only clueless and naive.

Hasbarah is a serious challenge.

559 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:29:47am

re: #546 SanFranciscoZionist

Really? People chose a moment when some UN workers in Haiti were dead, and others were in the streets digging for victims, to say the UN was 'useless'. Fair question.

the UN is not some guy digging in the streets, that's admirable

560 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:29:53am

re: #550 Obdicut

I think she's an attention-whore, personally, with no real ideological stake. I think she doesn't care what reality is, or what the real fate of the Palestinian or Iraqi people are.

I do still think it's very rude to ask, casually, of a Jew, if they're a Jew-hater. Beyond rude, really. If they're the head of an organization that routinely and reflexively criticizes Israel while giving a free pass to Israel's enemies, sure-- but I don't do that.

Do you think it's rude that I ask a Jew if they are a supporter of Israel?

561 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:30:18am

Sometimes, I wish I could go back to the kitchen (not just at banquets, but at regular restaurants) and show the chef how EASY it is to make a non-meat pasta --a little olive oil, garlic, any veggie you have around sautee . . . .

562 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:30:31am

re: #560 Walter L. Newton

No. Do you see no difference between asking a Jew if they are a supporter of Israel and asking a Jew if they are a Jew hater?

563 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:31:06am

re: #550 Obdicut

I think she's an attention-whore, personally, with no real ideological stake. I think she doesn't care what reality is, or what the real fate of the Palestinian or Iraqi people are.

I do still think it's very rude to ask, casually, of a Jew, if they're a Jew-hater. Beyond rude, really. If they're the head of an organization that routinely and reflexively criticizes Israel while giving a free pass to Israel's enemies, sure-- but I don't do that.

She has an ideological stake in helping bring down that big, bad imperialistic nation of Israel.

564 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:31:34am

re: #537 avanti

Obama's numbers might recover, but it depends on how the public perceives his policies and whether the recession ends. Thus far, it appears that his policy prescriptions are not reducing unemployment and the economy isn't growing, at the moment it's simply treading water, and once people see the kinds of taxes that will be imposed on everything as a result of the health care plans, we'll probably see a slide back as everyone retrenches and curbs spending as to build up reserves for when the tax hikes fully take hold.

565 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:32:05am

re: #555 Obdicut

Um, where did you see me talking about 'settlements'?

The settlement issue is the KEY issue on which Israelis are being told to act unilaterally.

566 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:32:08am

Now, I gotta go

Have a great day Lizards!

567 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:32:17am

re: #561 ggt

Sometimes, I wish I could go back to the kitchen (not just at banquets, but at regular restaurants) and show the chef how EASY it is to make a non-meat pasta --a little olive oil, garlic, any veggie you have around sautee . . .

Or a plain marinara sauce. I never put meat in mine.

568 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:32:21am

re: #562 Obdicut

No. Do you see no difference between asking a Jew if they are a supporter of Israel and asking a Jew if they are a Jew hater?

You go back and read my comment, I asked you... "And where do you fit into those categories above, Jew-haters, Jew-fearers, utterly naive, supporter..."

I see no difference in asking ANYONE that question. What makes you so special?

569 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:32:46am

re: #561 ggt

Sometimes, I wish I could go back to the kitchen (not just at banquets, but at regular restaurants) and show the chef how EASY it is to make a non-meat pasta --a little olive oil, garlic, any veggie you have around sautee . . .

... mushrooms, onions, black olives etc.

570 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:32:46am

re: #549 avanti

OK, but you can save my prediction from this post. When the economy turns around later this year, Obama's approval will climb back into the mid to high 50's.

if the economy 'turns around' it will be in spite of BO, not because of his leadership...he's already given himself a B+ on the economy...the guy is a nut of some sort

571 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:34:08am

re: #565 MandyManners

And what does that have to do with what I've said, given that I've said that Israel cannot solve the problem unilaterally, and that the solution has to come from the Arab states making concessions-- the first and most important, of course, being Israel's right to exist in the first place?

re: #568 Walter L. Newton

Did you simply not read what I'd already written in the thread before you asked that question, Walter?

572 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:34:08am

PA Chief Says Israel Trying to Kill Him

(IsraelNN.com) Fatah head Mahmoud Abbas, current chairman of the Palestinian Authority, claims that Israel is trying to assassinate him. Abbas told an Egyptian news agency this week that Israel had murdered his predecessor,Yasser Arafat – despite Arafat’s commitment to peace – and that he is afraid of suffering the same fate. The PA chairman, who enjoys massive political and economic backing from Western powers, further stated that he is not prepared to resume negotiations with Israel until all Jewish construction in Judea and Samaria is halted, claiming the current 10-month ban by the government of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Jewish building in the area is not sufficient for a return to negotiations.

Deather!

573 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:34:49am

re: #570 albusteve

if the economy 'turns around' it will be in spite of BO, not because of his leadership...he's already given himself a B+ on the economy...the guy is a nut of some sort


Forgive me for my attempt to re-direct, but what is your game preparation plan?

574 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:34:54am

re: #557 Walter L. Newton

I didn't see anything, like I said, I was asking an honest question. Why is there a problem with that? I only got mad when I'm questioned or it's implied that certain questions should not be asked.

And I already stated above that I was simply asking a question and was interested in where Obdicut stood on the issue.

I haven't read every comment on this thread, I just got up an hour ago, and I never suggested anything about Obdicut 's position, did I. I asked a question.

You actually did imply something very specific about Obdicut's position, to my eye, which surprised me, since his comments seemed clear-eyed to me. I wondered if I missed something that would make you ask him if he was a Jew-hater.

Mostly, when people talk about racism here, folks don't pop up and ask 'so, you a racist or what?'

575 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:35:10am

re: #572 Ben Hur

I think he should probably worry more about Hamas trying to kill him than Israel.

576 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:35:32am

re: #559 albusteve

the UN is not some guy digging in the streets, that's admirable

Fair enough. That would be a good answer to Obdi's question.

577 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:36:38am

re: #574 SanFranciscoZionist

You actually did imply something very specific about Obdicut's position, to my eye, which surprised me, since his comments seemed clear-eyed to me. I wondered if I missed something that would make you ask him if he was a Jew-hater.

Mostly, when people talk about racism here, folks don't pop up and ask 'so, you a racist or what?'

You also seem to conveniently keep forgetting I also asked if he/she was a "supporter."

578 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:36:56am

re: #570 albusteve

if the economy 'turns around' it will be in spite of BO, not because of his leadership...he's already given himself a B+ on the economy...the guy is a nut of some sort

I get that, no matter what good news comes, some will never credit the POTUS from the other party.

579 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:36:57am

re: #573 Stanley Sea

Forgive me for my attempt to re-direct, but what is your game preparation plan?

stop the run, keep them in third and long....the run the ball myself and eat up the clock...score from inside the thirty every time

580 Kragar  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:37:48am

re: #572 Ben Hur

PA Chief Says Israel Trying to Kill Him


Deather!

There comes a time when the diplomatic solution involves telling the other side to grow the fuck up.

581 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:38:01am

re: #579 albusteve

stop the run, keep them in third and long...the run the ball myself and eat up the clock...score from inside the thirty every time

But....what about your stock of food & booze??!

582 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:38:34am

re: #569 brookly red

I developed a taste for putanesca (sp?) sauce a few years back. Think it's about time to learn to make it for myself.

583 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:38:49am

re: #578 avanti

I get that, no matter what good news comes, some will never credit the POTUS from the other party.

hell I would even vote for him IF unemployment would go back to 4%... but then again I am registered D

584 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:39:37am

re: #577 Walter L. Newton

You also seem to conveniently keep forgetting I also asked if he/she was a "supporter."

No, I can see that, although I didn't understand exactly what you meant by 'supporter' at first. It struck me, and strikes me, as a hostile question. I don't want to fight semantics with you, or get into an issue of what's allowed to be asked. If I misunderstood your intent, I'm sorry. I would feel alarmed if asked such a question.

585 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:39:46am

re: #578 avanti

I get that, no matter what good news comes, some will never credit the POTUS from the other party.

show me the beef, show me some non partisan proof...I can't stand BO and his inflated ego...just show me where he get's it done and I'll give him the credit for it

586 What, me worry?  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:39:49am

re: #577 Walter L. Newton

You also seem to conveniently keep forgetting I also asked if he/she was a "supporter."

OMG Walter, you need to apologize to Obdicut. The fact that your threw in "supporter" doesn't negate the huge insult of asking a Jew if they're an anti-Semite. And if you don't understand that, than I'm not the one who can explain it to you.

I'm outie. See you guys.

587 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:40:14am

re: #573 Stanley Sea

Forgive me for my attempt to re-direct, but what is your game preparation plan?

Cut taxes on the rich and increase spending, just like the previous administration ? Obama's already has the spending increase thing going.

588 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:41:16am

re: #581 Stanley Sea

But...what about your stock of food & booze??!

I got a Mr Tony's Three Meat and a few PBRs....I'll be rockin!

589 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:41:42am

re: #583 brookly red

hell I would even vote for him IF unemployment would go back to 4%... but then again I am registered D

We won't see 4% again for a decade or more if than.

590 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:42:49am

re: #588 albusteve

I got a Mr Tony's Three Meat and a few PBRs...I'll be rockin!

I knew it would be good. I'll make some bread @ this end.

Gotta run Lizards. I need to love my job again, it's not quite at that point these days.

591 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:43:29am

re: #582 oaktree

I developed a taste for putanesca (sp?) sauce a few years back. Think it's about time to learn to make it for myself.

here is a common recipe, personally I prefer non-balsamic vinegar and fresh tomatoes...
12 anchovies
3 cloves garlic
1 teaspoon dried chilli
1 tin tomatoes
1 small splash balsamic vinegar
a dozen olives chopped
2 teaspoons capers
basil

592 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:44:35am

re: #587 avanti

Cut taxes on the rich and increase spending, just like the previous administration ? Obama's already has the spending increase thing going.

does he deserve a B+ on the economy, whatever he means by that?....with a new wave of foreclosures, the abject failure of the Stimulus, and the looming prospect of the HC bill and even higher taxes?....10% unemployment, going nowhere and he gives himself a B+?...he's a crackpot dreamer...what grade do you give him?

593 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:44:37am

re: #572 Ben Hur

PA Chief Says Israel Trying to Kill Him


Deather!

The closest Israel came to killing Arafat was shooting up his personal helicopter in its hangar.

594 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:44:47am

re: #591 brookly red

here is a common recipe, personally I prefer non-balsamic vinegar and fresh tomatoes...
12 no anchovies
3 cloves garlic
1 teaspoon dried chilli
1 tin tomatoes
1 small splash balsamic vinegar
a dozen olives chopped
2 teaspoons no capers
basil

Fixed it for ya :)

595 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:44:48am

re: #550 Obdicut

I think she's an attention-whore, personally, with no real ideological stake. I think she doesn't care what reality is, or what the real fate of the Palestinian or Iraqi people are.

I do still think it's very rude to ask, casually, of a Jew, if they're a Jew-hater. Beyond rude, really. If they're the head of an organization that routinely and reflexively criticizes Israel while giving a free pass to Israel's enemies, sure-- but I don't do that.

Neturei Karta will cheerfully and happily admit that they hate all other Jews who are not exactly like them. They are the Phelps cult of Judaism.

596 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:44:51am

re: #591 brookly red

here is a common recipe, personally I prefer non-balsamic vinegar and fresh tomatoes...
12 anchovies
3 cloves garlic
1 teaspoon dried chilli
1 tin tomatoes
1 small splash balsamic vinegar
a dozen olives chopped
2 teaspoons capers
basil

What do you do with all of it?

597 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:46:19am

re: #596 MandyManners

What do you do with all of it?

pasta sauce...

598 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:46:28am

re: #593 The Sanity Inspector

The closest Israel came to killing Arafat was shooting up his personal helicopter in its hangar.

Well, and that time in Leb when an Israeli sniper had Arafat's head in his cross-hairs and wasn't given the order to fire.

599 tradewind  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:47:12am

Teh Stupid, squared:
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

600 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:47:15am

re: #586 marjoriemoon

OMG Walter, you need to apologize to Obdicut. The fact that your threw in "supporter" doesn't negate the huge insult of asking a Jew if they're an anti-Semite. And if you don't understand that, than I'm not the one who can explain it to you.

I'm outie. See you guys.

Thanks for the info. Another question to add to my list of Un-PC questions I can't approach.

601 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:47:23am

re: #593 The Sanity Inspector

The closest Israel came to killing Arafat was shooting up his personal helicopter in its hangar.

And they gave him some mysterious disease, which eventually killed him.

//

602 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:47:29am
603 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:47:37am

re: #589 avanti

We won't see 4% again for a decade or more if than.

I fear you may be right, it is gonna take a loooong time to dig us out of this.

604 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:47:53am

re: #594 Mad Al-Jaffee

Fixed it for ya :)

Noooo....

I like anchovies and capers...

605 [deleted]  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:48:10am
606 JoyousMN  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:48:32am

re: #524 oaktree

I've started making chili with tomallilo's (or green tomatoes) instead of tomatoes. I like that it's lighter and more sour than tomato sauce, which starts to get to heavy and overpowering to me.

I also like to add a bit of mole and those (very addictive) chilpotle peppers as seasoning.

Chunks of pork instead of beef taste really good in this and you can add black beans instead of kidney or pinto.

Best damn chili ever. IMHO

607 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:48:57am

I don't think links to Tim Blair are appreciated here.

608 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:49:21am

re: #592 albusteve

does he deserve a B+ on the economy, whatever he means by that?...with a new wave of foreclosures, the abject failure of the Stimulus, and the looming prospect of the HC bill and even higher taxes?...10% unemployment, going nowhere and he gives himself a B+?...he's a crackpot dreamer...what grade do you give him?

The market is up over 60% from lows, we still have the big three, we got a middle class tax cut, the banks have been saved and jobs are slowly recovering. Given the depth of the problem, he's gets a B from me. It's not like anyone can flip a switch and reverse a recession, no one ever has, or will.

609 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:49:58am

Naomi Klein on Haiti: Haiti Disaster Capitalism Alert: Stop Them Before They Shock Again

Just let everyone die instead.

610 tradewind  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:50:18am

re: #596 MandyManners

Reads like a yummy vinaigrette for greens or pasta , but hold the anchovies///

611 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:50:23am

re: #596 MandyManners

Saute the anchovies, garlic and chilies. add the rest of the ingedients and bring to a simmer. Once heated through (about 5-10 minutes) pour on top of pasta. Very quick and easy.

612 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:50:46am

re: #604 oaktree

Nooo...

I like anchovies and capers...

with out anchovies it ain't putanseca...

613 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:50:58am

re: #606 JoyousMN

I usually use black AND kidney beans.

614 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:51:33am

re: #603 brookly red

I fear you may be right, it is gonna take a looong time to dig us out of this.

and most of it never needed to happen, going all the way back to the Fanny/Freddy regulation problems the donks refused to address...I put about 90% of the blame on those greedy fools...they were warned several times

615 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:52:04am

re: #612 brookly red

with out anchovies it ain't putanseca...

I also like to buy good olives for puttanesca. It does make a difference.

616 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:52:16am

re: #610 tradewind

The anchovies are part of the key. "marinara" = from the sea.

It's pungent, but with the olives and other ingredients it's quite good.

I've also found a lot of cooking where a dried anchovy or two can disappear into a dish and add a lot of flavor without being obvious. See that with garlic as well.

617 Baier  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:52:26am

re: #15 RogueOne

Politico guy on Mornin' Joe is talking about a possible Coakley loss. Last week he said no chance. I've read some more about her prosecutor days and I'm really hoping she loses. She's an opportunistic dirtbag.

Show me a politician that isn't an opportunist...

618 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:52:52am

re: #595 Alouette

Well, yeah, but I've done nothing to indicate that I hate other Jews, at all, is my point. Especially with what I've said in this thread about Israel being the only ethical actor in the situation.

I'm not saying that no Jews hate Jews, but that it's a terribly rude thing to ask a Jew who's given no indication whatsoever of being one of those strange self-haters.

619 tradewind  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:52:54am

re: #602 abolitionist

Just as stupid as Robertson, with less excuse.

620 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:53:03am

re: #603 brookly red

I fear you may be right, it is gonna take a looong time to dig us out of this.

It has not been 4% since the Clinton years when we had a budget surplus, and we may not see that again for many years.

621 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:53:17am

re: #617 Baier

Show me a politician that isn't an opportunist...

unpossibul

622 CommonCents  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:53:24am

re: #537 avanti

The point I was making is both tanked until the economy recovered. Here's a chart of both, but I predict Obama will recover faster than Reagan did. Just look at the link.

chart.

That is a very interesting chart. I wonder if that shows how skewed polls are? Reagan won his election by this much %P%--------------%P% but started with barely 50% approval. Obama won by this much %P%---%P% but started with 70% approval.

623 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:53:32am

re: #615 Killgore Trout

I'm lucky in having some local specialty stores that literally have the barrels of different types of olives.

624 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:54:02am

re: #621 albusteve

unpossibul

Palin, she's part of God's plan.

625 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:54:16am

re: #620 avanti

It has not been 4% since the Clinton years when we had a budget surplus, and we may not see that again for many years.

well when you spend more than you make no surplus... it really is that simple.

626 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:54:41am

re: #597 brookly red

pasta sauce...

But, how do you combine it?

627 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:54:43am

re: #600 Walter L. Newton

Thanks for the info. Another question to add to my list of Un-PC questions I can't approach.

There's PC, and then there's common decency and politeness, Walter.

628 JoyousMN  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:55:00am

I love anchovies. We eat them on pizza all the time.

I make a sauce for fresh tuna that's like a black olive pesto (tapenade) that calls for anchovies and is seasoned with a pinch of cloves and cinnamon. Sounds odd but tastes awesome.

629 tradewind  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:55:11am

re: #606 JoyousMN

Tomatillos look kinda like green tomatoes, but they're a whole other thang.

630 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:55:12am

re: #622 CommonCents

That is a very interesting chart. I wonder if that shows how skewed polls are? Reagan won his election by this much %P%---%P% but started with barely 50% approval. Obama won by this much %P%---%P% but started with 70% approval.

Too much Hope and Change dreaming. Many expected a near instant recovery.

631 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:55:29am

re: #626 MandyManners

But, how do you combine it?

see KT's #611... it's gooood (if you like fish)

632 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:56:02am

re: #623 oaktree

I'm lucky in having some local specialty stores that literally have the barrels of different types of olives.

Smiths grocery stores here in ABQ have an entire kiosk full of olives....maybe a dozen types....people raid the juices too, fill little soup containers for free...they seem to be very popular...OLIVE POWER!

633 Lidane  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:56:18am

Say goodbye to the GOP you knew. In Dylan's immortal words, the times, they are a-changin'--

In Power Push, Movement Sees Base in G.O.P.

HOLLAND, Pa. — The Tea Party movement ignited a year ago, fueled by anti-establishment anger. Now, Tea Party activists are trying to take over the establishment, ground up.

Across the country, they are signing up to be Republican precinct leaders, a position so low-level that it often remains vacant, but which comes with the ability to vote for the party executives who endorse candidates, approve platforms and decide where the party spends money.

A new group called the National Precinct Alliance says it has a coordinator in nearly every state to recruit Tea Party activists to fill the positions and has already swelled the number of like-minded members in Republican Party committees in Arizona and Nevada. Its mantra is this: take the precinct, take the state, take the party — and force it to nominate conservatives rather than people they see as liberals in Republican clothing.

Here, in a perennial battleground district outside Philadelphia, Tea Party activists are trying to strip the local committee of its influence in choosing the Republican nominee to run against Representative Patrick J. Murphy, a Democrat who won the seat in 2006 by about 1,500 votes.

After the local party said it would stick to its custom of endorsing a candidate rather than holding an open primary, Tea Party groups decided to hold their own candidate forum where people could cast a ballot. If the party does not yield, the groups say they will host a debate, too.

“We kind of changed the rules,” said Anastasia Przybylski, one of the organizers.

The Tea Party movement, named after the original tax revolt in 1773, might be better described as a diverse, rambunctious and Internet-connected network of groups, powered by grass-roots anxiety about the economy, bailouts and increasing government involvement in health care. At one extreme are militia members who have shown up at meetings wearing guns and suggesting that institutions like the Federal Reserve be eliminated. At the other are those like Ms. Przybylski, who describes herself as “just a stay-at-home mom” who became agitated about the federal stimulus package.

And if the Democrats are big-government socialists, the Republicans, in the Tea Party mind, are enablers.

In some recent polls, a hypothetical Tea Party wins more support than Democrats or Republicans, and the most anti-establishment Tea Party activists push to fight as a third party. But as the movement looks toward the midterm elections in November, a growing number of activists argue that the best way to translate anger into influence is to infiltrate the Republican establishment (Democrats being, for the average Tea Partier, beyond redemption).

“If you want to have revenge against the Republican Party for using you for so many years, the best way is to turn around and use the Republican Party to your advantage,” said Eric Odom, a Tea Party activist in Chicago who recently started a political action committee, and on his blog urged Tea Partiers to stop complaining about the Republican Party and “move in and take it over.”

It's the religious right takeover all over again, only with a distinctly populist, Tea Party flavor.

634 JoyousMN  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:56:26am

re: #629 tradewind

Yes, that's right. I meant you can substitute. I do it in the fall when my garden is full of green toms.

635 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:56:40am

re: #623 oaktree

I'm lucky in having some local specialty stores that literally have the barrels of different types of olives.

see if you can get fresh anchovies... wow.

636 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:56:49am

re: #626 MandyManners

puttanesca recipe

637 Baier  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:57:24am

I want to cheer on Scott Brown, but I don't know anything about him. Does anyone know what the dirt is on him? I know he said he doesn't know any tea baggers, but was photographed speaking to them.

638 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:58:07am

re: #628 JoyousMN

I love anchovies. We eat them on pizza all the time.

I make a sauce for fresh tuna that's like a black olive pesto (tapenade) that calls for anchovies and is seasoned with a pinch of cloves and cinnamon. Sounds odd but tastes awesome.

my stomach is growling like a cornered raccoon...

639 CommonCents  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:58:10am

re: #622 CommonCents

That is a very interesting chart. I wonder if that shows how skewed polls are? Reagan won his election by this much %P%---%P% but started with barely 50% approval. Obama won by this much %P%---%P% but started with 70% approval.

For the record there were many more "-" in my Reagan margin of victory. PIMF

640 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:58:15am

re: #619 tradewind

Just as stupid as Robertson, with less excuse.

He was praising the international aid efforts, and that was commendable. He should have resisted the temptation to say that the earthquakes were a "response" to anything.

641 tradewind  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:58:18am

re: #522 Ben Hur

I'm as big a law and order freak as anyone, but in Haiti, this is not your basic carry-off-a-flat-screen. It is survival, and it is hellishly long odds.

642 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:58:41am

re: #635 brookly red

I probably should be able to get fresh ones. Either at the specialty place, or make a weekend trip down to the wholesale district here in Philly.

That might be a "project" for the next time I'm cooking for company.

643 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:58:50am

re: #609 Mad Al-Jaffee

Naomi Klein on Haiti: Haiti Disaster Capitalism Alert: Stop Them Before They Shock Again

Just let everyone die instead.

What's wrong with the following?

"In addition to providing immediate humanitarian assistance, the U.S. response to the tragic earthquake in Haiti earthquake offers opportunities to re-shape Haiti’s long-dysfunctional government and economy as well as to improve the public image of the United States in the region."

Haiti does have a disfunctional government and economy.

644 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:58:57am

re: #632 albusteve

Smiths grocery stores here in ABQ have an entire kiosk full of olives...maybe a dozen types...people raid the juices too, fill little soup containers for free...they seem to be very popular...OLIVE POWER!

poor man's Lipitor...

645 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:59:05am

re: #627 Obdicut

There's PC, and then there's common decency and politeness, Walter.

I apologize to you, considering the question bothered you so much, and any other Lizard that was bothered by it. I don't see a problem with the question, but evidently you do, and that's all that matters.

646 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:59:36am

re: #641 tradewind

I'm as big a law and order freak as anyone, but in Haiti, this is not your basic carry-off-a-flat-screen. It is survival, and it is hellishly long odds.

they should be ferrying women and children off the island immediately...imo

647 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:00:01am

re: #609 Mad Al-Jaffee

Naomi Klein on Haiti: Haiti Disaster Capitalism Alert: Stop Them Before They Shock Again

Just let everyone die instead.

I really hate Naomi Klein. I know it's not nice to hate people, but she infuriates me.

648 tradewind  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:00:10am

re: #637 Baier

O, M G.
He actually was caught in the act of conversation??
Well, that's enough right there.!

649 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:00:13am

Dryer buzzer.

650 CommonCents  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:00:33am

re: #640 abolitionist

He was praising the international aid efforts, and that was commendable. He should have resisted the temptation to say that the earthquakes were a "response" to anything.

He could have said the earthquakes were a "response" to shifting plates under the ocean. That might have been okay.

651 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:01:22am

re: #649 MandyManners

Dryer buzzer.

Is that what you kids are calling it these days?

652 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:01:54am

re: #650 CommonCents

He could have said the earthquakes were a "response" to shifting plates under the ocean. That might have been okay.

melting icebergs have put too much stress on the plates...he's right

653 EB71  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:01:59am

re: #620 avanti

Yes, "official" unemployment hit its lowest point under the Clinton administration, but "official" U-1 unemployment was in the 4's, 5's and low 6's during the G.W. Bush administration. The Clinton administration passed along a recession to the the Bush administration, which was exacerbated in the post-9/11 period, just as the Bush administration passed along a significant recession to the Obama administration, which recession shows few real signs of abating other than the minds of economists. 4% no, but the "official" U-1 measurement of unemployment could be back in single digits within the next couple of years, owing to the methodology of its calculation. Unfortunately, the broader U-6 measurement, which includes the underemployed, the discouraged, etc., will likely remain in the high teens to mid-twenties percentages for a protracted period. Given that the U.S. economy has recently been nearly 70% consumer driven and the U.S. runs massive trade deficits, to say the protracted high U-6 measurement will have severe negative effects on the U.S. and global economies is a significant understatement.

654 CommonCents  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:02:04am

re: #641 tradewind

I'm as big a law and order freak as anyone, but in Haiti, this is not your basic carry-off-a-flat-screen. It is survival, and it is hellishly long odds.

I'm with you. As long as folks are walking off with other's jewelry and electronics, I would hesitate to call that looting.

655 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:02:09am

re: #642 oaktree

I probably should be able to get fresh ones. Either at the specialty place, or make a weekend trip down to the wholesale district here in Philly.

That might be a "project" for the next time I'm cooking for company.

Philly? yeah... you should be able to go into a store & just tell them you want to make Putanseca get everything you need & witness a heated argument on the best way to make it...

656 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:02:20am

Off to lunch after chatting about food most of the morning. BBIAB.

657 CommonCents  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:02:27am

re: #652 albusteve

melting icebergs have put too much stress on the plates...he's right

You missed one of these "/"

658 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:04:24am

re: #602 abolitionist

Danny Glover echoing Pat Robertson?
Actor Danny Glover believes that the Haitian earthquake was caused by climate change and global warming:

Tim Blair shows once again that he's a liar. Danny Glover is a leftist kook, but he absolutely did not say that global warming caused the Haitian earthquake.

This is complete crap. I just listened to the recording and Blair is flat out lying about it.

659 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:04:54am

re: #645 Walter L. Newton

I don't need an apology, though I'll thank you for it. I just think you may want to consider the implications of asking someone if they hate their own ethnic group. I do not feel it's a question that is ever polite to ask unless that person has shown any signs of it whatsoever-- which I have not. Given what I had already said about Israel being the only ethical actor, the question seemed to pointedly ignore my words; the question was answered before you asked it, so I don't see any point in asking it.

660 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:05:17am

Here's the recording of Danny Glover's statement.

661 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:05:50am

Michelle Malkin is still pushing the outrageous Obama Garden scandal...
Garden-Gate: A metaphor


It’s the haute cuisine version of disgraced CBS News fabricator Dan Rather’s fake-but-accurate card. But this is just the latest Potemkin produce from a Potemkin presidency.

To wit: White House number-crunchers and Democrat fuzzy mathematicians have been cooking the books on stimulus jobs numbers and government health care takeover costs. They desperately ditched the “jobs saved or created” recipe for a jobs-funded concoction to salvage the illusion of economic recovery. They’ve inflated deficit reduction estimates and downplayed doctor reimbursement cuts. And they’ve done so behind a locked kitchen door.

662 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:07:14am

re: #661 Killgore Trout

Michelle Malkin is still pushing the outrageous Obama Garden scandal...
Garden-Gate: A metaphor

Lol, she equates this with the Rather National Guard Memo scandal???

663 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:07:17am

re: #661 Killgore Trout

Michelle Malkin is still pushing the outrageous Obama Garden scandal...
Garden-Gate: A metaphor

Potemkin Produce!
good one

664 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:07:39am

re: #650 CommonCents

He could have said the earthquakes were a "response" to shifting plates under the ocean. That might have been okay.

I blame the moon. /

665 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:09:09am

re: #660 Charles

Here's the recording of Danny Glover's statement.


[Video]

Damn! Such an obvious lie on Blair's part!...not that this surprises me.

666 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:09:21am

re: #660 Charles

Here's the recording of Danny Glover's statement.


[Video]

I think I first posted this up thread, and I listened to the video, and I'm confused by this comment... "When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens, you know what I’m saying?”

What is he equating in regards to Copenhagen and this earthquake. It's certainly seems like he is trying to make some sort of connection.

667 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:09:22am

re: #661 Killgore Trout

Michelle Malkin is still pushing the outrageous Obama Garden scandal...
Garden-Gate: A metaphor

how does " ...fuzzy mathematicians have been cooking the books on stimulus jobs numbers and government health care takeover costs. They desperately ditched the “jobs saved or created” recipe for a jobs-funded concoction to salvage the illusion of economic recovery. ..." fit in with the garden?

668 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:10:17am

re: #660 Charles

"All the region is imperiled by global warming and climate change..." Do we have a full transcript? Sounds to me like he's saying that what happened in Haiti could happen anywhere in the region, which is true, but then goes on to talk about Copenhagen and global warming, which have nothing to do with quakes.

669 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:10:22am

re: #661 Killgore Trout

Michelle Malkin is still pushing the outrageous Obama Garden scandal...
Garden-Gate: A metaphor

OMG, that is so funny.

670 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:10:25am

re: #666 Walter L. Newton

I think I first posted this up thread, and I listened to the video, and I'm confused by this comment... "When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens, you know what I’m saying?”

What is he equating in regards to Copenhagen and this earthquake. It's certainly seems like he is trying to make some sort of connection.

He's equating the World's response.

671 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:10:56am

re: #618 Obdicut

Well, yeah, but I've done nothing to indicate that I hate other Jews, at all, is my point. Especially with what I've said in this thread about Israel being the only ethical actor in the situation.

I'm not saying that no Jews hate Jews, but that it's a terribly rude thing to ask a Jew who's given no indication whatsoever of being one of those strange self-haters.

There is no such thing as a "self-hating" Jew. Those who are called "self-haters" usually have a pretty high opinion of themselves. It's all those other fucking Jews they can't stand.

/need I say that any and all criticism of Israel, such as, "settlements are the main obstacle to peace!" and "we must negotiate with Hamas!" by Jews is not "self hate" or hate of other Jews? Most of it is pure cluelessness, stupidity, and a desire to be loved by the "in crowd."

672 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:10:59am

re: #638 brookly red

my stomach is growling like a cornered raccoon...

I had to live trap one that had found a way into the house thru the cat door... finally got him in the back yard using catfood for bait.

The best part was my wife coming up to the trap and trying to sooth him with soft words to which he lunged and snarled at her (being the smart guy I had staked the trap down when I placed it).

She doesn't think they're cuddly anymore.... ;)

673 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:11:16am

A GROUP of influential religious leaders in Yemen have threatened to declare jihad - holy war - if foreign troops intervene to stem the spread of al-Qa'ida in the country. The edict is a clear warning to the United States as it plans to step up its military involvement in the country.

Yemen flexing it's muscles....

[Link: www.theaustralian.com.au...]

674 Buck  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:11:58am

[Link: sandbox.blog-city.com...]

Goldstone report puts forward this stat:

324 factories had been destroyed during the Israeli military operations at a cost of 40,000 jobs" (paragraph 1005)

Problem is that it is false. Probably closer to 4,000 jobs.

Martin Kramer: "And as you ponder all those figures in the Goldstone Report, just keep in mind that it contains at least one order-of-magnitude error regarding a very basic statistic. The report isn't just biased. It's shoddy."

675 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:12:19am

re: #666 Walter L. Newton

I think I first posted this up thread, and I listened to the video, and I'm confused by this comment... "When we see what we did at the climate summit in Copenhagen, this is the response, this is what happens, you know what I’m saying?”

What is he equating in regards to Copenhagen and this earthquake. It's certainly seems like he is trying to make some sort of connection.

no Danny...we don't know what your sayin

676 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:13:39am

re: #670 Varek Raith

The world's response at Copenhagen was to shrug its collective shoulders and issue a non binding statement. That's not exactly a resounding response that Haiti wants or needs right now.

Glover does say that more hospital ships need to be sent. The US has two - the Comfort and Mercy. The Comfort will be there within the next day or so. The Mexicans have sent their hospital ship (which was a retired US hospital ship). The Navy's aircraft carriers and amphibious assault ships have full medical facilities, which will be helpful, but it will take a sustained effort to rebuild Haiti's infrastructure from the ground up - including hospital and medical facilities, which were in poor condition even before the quake hit.

Glover is right that this presents an opportunity to reshape US-Haitian relations, but we've heard that before and the end result has been ongoing misery for the Haitian people.

677 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:13:58am

re: #674 Buck

[Link: sandbox.blog-city.com...]

Goldstone report puts forward this stat:

Problem is that it is false. Probably closer to 4,000 jobs.

Martin Kramer: "And as you ponder all those figures in the Goldstone Report, just keep in mind that it contains at least one order-of-magnitude error regarding a very basic statistic. The report isn't just biased. It's shoddy."

they didn't happen to list exactly what was made in those factories did they?

678 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:14:03am

re: #671 Alouette

I agree completely with you-- except that i have met a self-hating Jew who was a neo-Nazi and cursed his parents for their Jewishness. But he was crazy.

So excepting maniacs, I think you're entirely right.

679 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:15:20am

re: #668 lawhawk

"All the region is imperiled by global warming and climate change..." Do we have a full transcript? Sounds to me like he's saying that what happened in Haiti could happen anywhere in the region, which is true, but then goes on to talk about Copenhagen and global warming, which have nothing to do with quakes.

Glover's point is confused, like his mind, but he's saying that Caribbean nations are in danger from many natural forces, including global warming. At no point does he ever say that global warming caused the earthquake. That's pure distortion.

680 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:15:56am

INTERNATIONAL scientists nudged back the minute hand of the symbolic Doomsday clock,as they praised US President Barack Obama for helping to pull the world back from nuclear or environmental catastrophe.

some pretty funny stuff here...I think Danny Glover wrote it

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

681 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:16:00am

re: #675 albusteve

no Danny...we don't know what your sayin

sounds like he doesn't either...

682 CommonCents  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:16:25am

re: #674 Buck

[Link: sandbox.blog-city.com...]

Goldstone report puts forward this stat:


Problem is that it is false. Probably closer to 4,000 jobs.

Martin Kramer: "And as you ponder all those figures in the Goldstone Report, just keep in mind that it contains at least one order-of-magnitude error regarding a very basic statistic. The report isn't just biased. It's shoddy."

Where these 324 rocket factories or something useful?

683 avanti  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:17:35am

re: #670 Varek Raith

He's equating the World's response.

Exactly, we just rearranged the deck chairs on the AGW Titanic at Copenhagen, we did not come together in a time of crisis.

684 brookly red  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:17:36am

re: #682 CommonCents

Where these 324 rocket factories or something useful?

/well rockets are their major export after all...

685 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:17:44am

re: #678 Obdicut

I agree completely with you-- except that i have met a self-hating Jew who was a neo-Nazi and cursed his parents for their Jewishness. But he was crazy.

There's a movie about that, The Believer.

686 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:18:48am

re: #685 Mad Al-Jaffee

The dude I met was in Chicago. Real freaking weirdo. Also a LaRouche supporter.

687 Baier  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:20:48am

re: #648 tradewind

O, M G.
He actually was caught in the act of conversation??
Well, that's enough right there.!

The point is not that he talked to them, the point is he lied.

688 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:21:13am

re: #679 Charles

Glover's point is confused, like his mind, but he's saying that Caribbean nations are in danger from many natural forces, including global warming. At no point does he ever say that global warming caused the earthquake. That's pure distortion.

hurricane Gilbert bounded along Jamaicas north coast in 1989 and did massive damage...a direct hit would have been an epic disaster, maybe on the order of the Haiti quake...when you visit these islands, you can instantly see how vulnerable they are...there is plenty richer nations could do to shore up infrastructure for them...transportation alone means everything

689 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:23:04am

re: #688 albusteve

hurricane Gilbert bounded along Jamaicas north coast in 1989 and did massive damage...a direct hit would have been an epic disaster, maybe on the order of the Haiti quake...when you visit these islands, you can instantly see how vulnerable they are...there is plenty richer nations could do to shore up infrastructure for them...transportation alone means everything

Where does the money go?

690 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:24:28am

re: #689 reine.de.tout

Where does the money go?

good catch....there has to be a better way, non?

691 EB71  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:25:26am

re: #680 albusteve

Yes, but this group of international scientists is taking a relatively conservative position in comparison to the view of the Nobel committee.

692 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:26:31am

re: #690 albusteve

good catch...there has to be a better way, non?

I dunno Steve.
Others can send money money money, and even people - but sooner or later the gov't of Haiti has to step up to the plate and make sure they're doing something to help the population become self-sufficient.

693 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:26:32am

re: #658 Charles

Tim Blair shows once again that he's a liar. Danny Glover is a leftist kook, but he absolutely did not say that global warming caused the Haitian earthquake.

This is complete crap. I just listened to the recording and Blair is flat out lying about it.

I listened to the entire video before posting. What do you think Glover was saying the earthquake is a "response" to?

694 albusteve  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:30:58am

re: #692 reine.de.tout

I dunno Steve.
Others can send money money money, and even people - but sooner or later the gov't of Haiti has to step up to the plate and make sure they're doing something to help the population become self-sufficient.

agreed...I'm very familiar with the Jamaicans...the people just hate the corruption as a matter of national pride, but the lure of the treasure is too much and their govt has a long history as well....seems like it's just human nature wherever you go....Haiti's problems are magnified of course by the extreme poverty....you can imagine my Draconian solutions to that

695 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:31:58am

Pure Speculation,

BUT ,, what Glover MAY have meant with the Copenhagen/ Earthquake connection is that with the developed countries not yet forking over monies to the 3rd world nations those poor nations don't have the resources to have emergency responses in place as well as monitoring

Other than that, i'm scratching my skull

696 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:32:09am

re: #687 Baier

The point is not that he talked to them, the point is he lied.

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

Since Saturday, the group behind TeaPartyExpress.org has spent at least $32,000 supporting Scott Brown, the Republican candidate for the Massachusetts Senate seat, federal records show. Brown's own campaign Web site highlights a fundraiser held a couple weeks ago called the "Friends of the Tea Party Scott Brown reception," where paying $500 earned supporters the label "American Revolutionary" (for a mere 25 bucks, you could be a "Patriot"). The conservative blogs that help fuel the tea party movement have been abuzz over Brown for weeks, eager to see the GOP candidate pull an upset win over Democrat Martha Coakley.

Which makes Brown's statement to the Boston Globe Wednesday about all the fuss a bit of a surprise. "I'm a Scott Brown Republican," Brown told the paper when asked about his ideological alliances. When a reporter asked him about the support from the tea party groups, he apparently demurred. "He also claimed that he was unfamiliar with the 'Tea Party movement,' when asked by a reporter," the Globe reports.

697 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:33:28am

re: #693 abolitionist

I listened to the entire video before posting. What do you think Glover was saying the earthquake is a "response" to?

He said when people got together in Copenhagen, the response is what you see in Haiti right now. An international aid effort. You have to really stretch to try to see that as saying the earthquake was a response to Copenhagen.

Glover's a kook, but he's not that crazy.

Blair's post is dishonest, and he knows it -- he's on a global warming denial crusade and he'll do and say anything in that effort.

698 robdouth  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:34:47am

re: #679 Charles

I agree with Charles, If you take his quote in context, it's actually more of a left wing version of Pat Robertson, where he's calling is a punishment for our pact with the devil, in this case the devil is apparently CO2?

699 abolitionist  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:42:40am

re: #697 Charles

He said when people got together in Copenhagen, the response is what you see in Haiti right now. An international aid effort. You have to really stretch to try to see that as saying the earthquake was a response to Copenhagen.

Glover's a kook, but he's not that crazy.

Blair's post is dishonest, and he knows it -- he's on a global warming denial crusade and he'll do and say anything in that effort.

Ok Charles.

700 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 10:45:14am

re: #576 SanFranciscoZionist

Fair enough. That would be a good answer to Obdi's question.

It was precisely the answer he got from me.

701 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 11:22:27am

Back from lunch.

Recipe below is for the sausage-bean soup I made last night and ate today.

====

Sausage Bean Soup

Ingredients:
1/4 lb Sausage (I use a fine grind kielbasa with extra garlic)
1 can black beans (12oz)
1 can diced tomatoes (18oz)
1/2 c celery (diced)
1/2 c carrots (diced)
3/4 c onions (diced)
2 potatoes (about a lb or so) - Russets hold up well (diced)
2-3 tbsp olive oil
1 c wine
1 tbsp hot pepper relish
1 tsp sea salt
spices (black pepper, rosemary, thyme, and bay leaf)
water

Preparation:

1. Dice vegetables and gather other ingredients. Sausage should be chopped up as well; I tend to slice the sausage into 2-3" links, quarter the links, and then slice the quarters into 1/4" thick triangles. Beans should be removed from can and thoroughly rinsed and drained.

2. Place the soup pot on medium heat, add the olive oil and let it heat up a bit.

3. Add the carrots, onions, and celery. Add the salt as well to help the vegetables "sweat" a bit. Stir and allow the vegetables to saute a for 3-4 minutes.

4. Add 1/2 c wine and cover. (The other 1/2 c of wine should be poured into the chef.) Allow the vegetables to soften in the wine for another 3-4 minutes, stirring occasionally.

5. Add the potatoes, tomatoes, and 2-3 cups of water. Stir, cover, and allow to come to a simmering boil. The main goal here is to cook the potatoes and carrots to an agreeable degree of softness. The tomatoes and beans cook out a bit to help build the broth.
(Note: potato type is important. Russets will take longer to soften up, but they hold form and texture well.)

6. When the potatoes are the right consistency drop the heat to low (or med-low) and add the spices, beans, relish, and sausage. Allow the soup to then simmer for at least 45 minutes.

7. Serve. The general results are a very chunky soup with a tasty broth.

Notes and alternatives:

A. The hot pepper relish is added to give a bit of heat to the dish. Just a minor edge that seems to work out real well.

B. Recipe uses dry spices currently. Substituting fresh generate better results.

C. Alternative "thickeners" to using the potatoes would be barley or cracked buckwheat. Both will require additional liquid and different cooking time in Step 5 since they will cook differently than the potato. These will also make a much thicker base.
(I usually cook the buckwheat separately in boiling water first and then add it.) Both bring different flavors to the dish with the buckwheat in particular giving a nutty overtone.

D. Another way to adjust the flavors is to brown the sausage in the oil initially to cook some fat out of them and get some browning. Remove the sausage and then add back in later to avoid over-cooking it.

E. No exact measurements used in the recipe. It's a lot of "this looks about right".

702 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 11:23:14am

re: #447 RogueOne

How in the world is MN a +3 favorite over Dallas?
[Link: www.footballlocks.com...]

Because Romo needs the Heimlich maneuver during big games? :eek:

/only a little bit. ;)

William

703 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 11:56:40am

re: #503 Obdicut

First, I was / am just getting started. A link to opponent of Devore follows. I can't vote this, but I'm watching. Surely She is the more moderate. Yet Devore is more moderate than Palin, Bachmann etc.

Devore I think was attacking a poorly written gay marriage bill. More on my feelings about that another time. California may be the best state for gay couples outside of marriage-able states.

Tom Campbell is a major fiscal conservative, something near and dear to me. Again given Californias progressive laws in general, and a rock solid progressive Democratic legislature in both houses, I have no worries on that score here in any case.

704 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 12:03:57pm

re: #703 Rightwingconspirator

DeVore being more moderate than Palin doesn't make him moderate at all.

California does not have progressive laws in general, nor is the legislature rock-solid progressive, so I'm not sure what you mean there. I'm not sure what your criteria for 'progressive' is.

Devore I think was attacking a poorly written gay marriage bill.

He was not. He was clearly saying that if marriage is no longer 'marriage' then it'll lead to those other things. It was the classic slippery slope argument and is contemptible.

I am looking forwards to hearing what you like about DeVore, and how he is a moderate.

705 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 12:07:22pm

re: #704 Obdicut

Consenting adults, civil unions, medical marijuana, easy divorce, all are California law. Maybe not progressive enough for some but pretty well there. Enough to be called the left coast by republicans in 40 something states.

706 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 12:08:02pm

re: #705 Rightwingconspirator

Consenting adults, civil unions, medical marijuana, easy divorce, all are California law. Maybe not progressive enough for some but pretty well there. Enough to be called the left coast by republicans in 40 something states.

{Plus strongly anti gun and CCW in urban jurisdictions.)

707 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 12:10:20pm

re: #705 Rightwingconspirator

That's setting the bar for what a 'progressive' agenda is very low. I mean, San Francisco, one of the most progressive areas in CA, doesn't even have a public power utility, despite the progressives trying to get one for generations.

I think that you're labeling things as 'progressive' that don't really fit that label. Bernie Sanders is a progressive. Barbara Boxer is not.

708 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 12:45:04pm

re: #707 Obdicut
If you ranked the 50 states for "progressiveness", how far from the top would you put it? But yeah we define it differently.
Back to work, lunch is done.

709 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 12:51:16pm

re: #708 Rightwingconspirator

I wouldn't put it far from the top, sure. But I would also say that it's almost nowhere in terms of being 'progressive'.

And again: What I'm interested in are things to like about DeVore, and reasons why he's a moderate. So far, what I've seen about him are that he's provocative and that he thinks that gay marriage (and Leno's proposal is not badly written) would lead to NAMBLA members marrying young boys. That's shitty scare-tactics to use against gay marriage, and it's contemptible to me that he does it.

710 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:56:56pm

re: #307 Spare O'Lake

I have a general animosity towards anti-Semites.
As for the British, I love them, except for the Islamofascists, the anti-Semites, the skinheads, the fascists, the socialists, the soccer fans and Prince Charles.

So basically, what you are saying is, you love the Wombles.

Although the lyrics do betray certain left-leaning attitudes, so maybe not...;-)

711 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:05:48pm

re: #308 Dragon_Lady

Hey Jimmah, my Hubby Bubby Rightwingconspirator has told me about you and your lady just getting married, Congratulations! I'm a NOOB but he talks about you two a lot, all good, and I wanted to pop in and introduce myself. Hows married life treating you?

Hey thanks, Dragon Lady - and thanks to rightwingconspirator (definitely one of LGF's good guys in my book, btw) for putting in a good word for us :) Iceweasel just told me the other night that you and RWC were a couple too.

Married life is great even though we are apart for the moment. I'm hoping it won't be long now before I'm back in NYC with my wee ice-ski. Can't wait!


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