Erick Erickson of redstate.com (of all people) notices that among Sarah Palin’s fan base there are more than a few who are somewhat, uh, overenthusiastic. He was taken aback by the furious reaction to his post criticizing Sarah Palin for her reported $100,000 speech at the First National Tea Party Convention: What Do Sarah Palin and Jesus Christ Have In Common?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:42:12pm |
Heh, he had to shut off comments for a while to try to soothe the hate. Good luck with that.
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metrolibertarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:46:21pm |
"What do Sarah Palin and Jesus have in common?"
They're creationists?
On a random note, a heartbreaking story of a gay teen who's worried he might be Christian: [Link: www.theonion.com...]
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metrolibertarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:47:49pm |
And a hilarious quote from the link:
"No son of mine is going to try to get intelligent design into school textbooks," Geoffrey Faber said.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:51:38pm |
OT: Sorry if this has been brought up already.
Limbaugh: "The U.S. military is now Meals on Wheels."
Bravo, Rush. Bravo.
By the way, my home internet has been... let's just say "down," and I have been missing you guys. Well, some of you :P
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Racer X Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:53:53pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:55:22pm |
re: #4 JasonA
OT: Sorry if this has been brought up already.
Limbaugh: "The U.S. military is now Meals on Wheels."
Bravo, Rush. Bravo.
By the way, my home internet has been... let's just say "down," and I have been missing you guys. Well, some of you :P
At this point Rush Limbaugh can FOAD. His ODS has reached the terminal stage. If he can't find it in his heart to accept the Barack OBama is doing the right thing here then he should be shunned forevermore.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:56:10pm |
re: #6 Dark_Falcon
At this point Rush Limbaugh can FOAD. His ODS has reached the terminal stage. If he can't find it in his heart to accept the Barack OBama is doing the right thing here then he should be shunned forevermore.
we need Rush and the like
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:57:29pm |
Doesn't Erick Erickson know by now? "Thou shall not criticize thine Sarah Palin."
I imagine some of these nuts are Freepers or Ace of Spuds members. I need some brain bleach after reading the comments. Here's one crackpot with his GOProud-CPAC conspiracy:
...It is starting to look like there are pretty much zero semi independent conservative blogs to look to anymore that have not started to make their beds with the corrupted establishment part of the Republican party. Erick Erickson (Red State), Followed by Dan Riehl (Riehl World) and now Melissa Clouthier (Pajamas Media). If it is not; pre-established, already has its own membership and thus hierarchy, is part and partial to the special interests of Washington, it is not and should not be considered a viable place for a conservative to go, according to thse three ‘conservatives’.
But hey, lets look at how great the establishment is.
1) A major sponsor for CPAC, apparently the only valid place for a conservative to speak according to these ‘conservative’ bloggers is GOProud, an extremist wing of the Republican that is very far from conservative. GOProud’s goals are to institutionalize the degradation of the covenant of marriage and thus the family unit. The core of conservatives is the family unit. A father, mother and some number of children unit is by far the most socially and more importantly, fiscally conservative.After that, you have married couples sans children as conservative. Next up are single working males. Then single males. Followed by single women sans children. Then single women. At the very end of the spectrum of conservative groups, are special interest people who need special treatment to make them feel all warm and good inside, named as anti discrimination laws, but known to be pro discrimination laws. You have blacks and Hispanics on one side (racial minority) and on the other side you have welfare queens, gays, lesbians, transsexuals, bisexuals, pedophiles, beastialists and other groups of deviant behaviors that want to be made mainstream by having laws enacted that say they are natural and welcomed into our society. If you need a law to say that you are normal and welcomed, then you are a freak and very far from conservative.
So, what these ‘conservative’ bloggers consider to be good places for a conservative to become legitimate is a place where the least conservative possible groups have a large say in what is talked about. Think about that for a while, GOProud wants to change the social fabric of America, in the exact same way that communism stated was the correct way to destroy a Democratic Capitalist country, by destroying the social fabric of family, and this is what these three think is the best place to show you are a true conservative. Completely unbelievable!
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metrolibertarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:57:45pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:57:51pm |
re: #7 albusteve
What do you mean "we"? I do without him just fine.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:58:04pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 5:59:11pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:00:31pm |
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:01:19pm |
re: #13 albusteve
you brought him up
I didn't put stupid words in his mouth. He does that just fine on his own.
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metrolibertarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:01:50pm |
re: #12 albusteve
for a punching bag
Well right now there seems to be a surplus of conservatives who can be used as punching bags. Whether it's Sarah "All of Them" Palin, or Diapers Beck. If a few of them melt down and lose their prominence, we'll still have so many other punching bags to occasionally take some shots at.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04:11pm |
re: #7 albusteve
we need Rush and the like
What exactly do you need Rush for? Please tell me its medical disection after he dies so that we can finally discover which is smaller, his heart or his brain!
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Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04:24pm |
If Erickson is freaked out about the hate mail he gets, imagine, if you will, what's in my Inbox.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04:52pm |
re: #17 Charles
If Erickson is freaked out about the hate mail he gets, imagine, if you will, what's in my Inbox.
Any good ones today?
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:05:09pm |
By the way the "O" in "GOP" now represents what sort of pattern they stand in while they blaze away at "the enemy" if you get my meaning.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:06:24pm |
re: #17 Charles
If Erickson is freaked out about the hate mail he gets, imagine, if you will, what's in my Inbox.
I thought a continuous 'hate mail' thread was a great idea...give the sekrit pundit readers something to chew on.....Hi Glenn!
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prairiefire Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:06:37pm |
I would like to commend all of the posters on LGF for maintaining civility. I have been reading RedState for over three years. They have always been hateful to anyone who disagrees with the group think of the blog. Mainly liberal trolls. Now they are turning on each other like a pit of vipers. Actually, vipers may be more compassionate. The conservative civil war continues.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:07:47pm |
re: #21 prairiefire
I would like to commend all of the posters on LGF for maintaining civility. I have been reading RedState for over three years. They have always been hateful to anyone who disagrees with the group think of the blog. Mainly liberal trolls. Now they are turning on each other like a pit of vipers. Actually, vipers may be more compassionate. The conservative civil war continues.
I'm sure Sir Rush is somebody's champion
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:08:28pm |
re: #22 albusteve
I'm sure Sir Rush is somebody's champion
It would be kind of funny if everyone who listened to him hated him, though...
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Charles Johnson Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:08:56pm |
Here's one from a Geert Wilders fan somewhere in Germany, enraged that a Dutch court is going ahead with a 'hate crimes' case against Wilders:
From: Slimylizard@reptilevermin.com
Subject: Little Green HypocriteNot a word about the latest attempt to put Geert Wilders in jail? Suddenly the self-righteous crusader against the fascist darkness falls silent? Fucking hypocrite.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:09:48pm |
re: #7 albusteve
we need Rush and the like
he serves no purpose - outside of the base - than pissing off moderates and independents.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:10:39pm |
re: #22 albusteve
Well, the size of coat he could place over a puddle would help many women.......... but somehow, i just don't think he's that kinda guy.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:10:51pm |
re: #23 JasonA
It would be kind of funny if everyone who listened to him hated him, though...
keep those hits coming you haters!....ratings keep me here!
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:12:05pm |
re: #28 albusteve
A very large contract that's presently bankrupting his employers and maintaining several phillipino maids is what keeps him here...........
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:12:40pm |
re: #25 Charles
It's really tough to support the freedom of someone who wants to take away other people's freedoms. Geert should have thought of that.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:12:47pm |
(screwed up & posted in wrong thread - reposted - stone me!)
Wheee! My first foray into Redstate.
Gag.
Here's the tagline of one of the commenter's:
“The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
WTF? (I don't know The Watchmen, so what's the deal?)
And get this, spell check fixed an error in the idiot's tag line.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:13:51pm |
re: #28 albusteve
keep those hits coming you haters!...ratings keep me here!
And in turn you provide the Daily Show with material that those haters watch and laugh at
ITS THE CIRCLE... the circle of life!
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:13:54pm |
re: #23 JasonA
It would be kind of funny if everyone who listened to him hated him, though...
I suppose in a free society even racists need their own radio show. Rush Limbaugh is the perfect champion for racists. Comes easy for Rush because he is a racist.
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:14:03pm |
anyhoos.
just dropped in to apologise for the drive by dings on the last couple of threads.
Comment does, sometimes, take a holiday.
Night all
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:15:02pm |
re: #33 Gus 802
Shame he can't afford some class with all that money.
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metrolibertarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:16:53pm |
re: #28 albusteve
keep those hits coming you haters!...ratings keep me here!
If the people who hated conservative radio hosts didn't listen, I imagine their listenership would drop by a third. There seems to be an Opus-Dei self-flagellation disease among some of the left where they listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, and/or Beck, buy Ann Coulter' nonsensical shrill screeds, and bitch and complain about it.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:18:41pm |
re: #33 Gus 802
I suppose in a free society even racists need their own radio show. Rush Limbaugh is the perfect champion for racists. Comes easy for Rush because he is a racist.
my stupid theory is this...when you log onto Rush you help pay the bills...I've heard a bit from him on another guys truck radio, otherwise I've neither seen nor heard him except here...don't feed the trolls
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:19:07pm |
re: #33 Gus 802
I suppose in a free society even racists need their own radio show. Rush Limbaugh is the perfect champion for racists. Comes easy for Rush because he is a racist.
He's still probably pissed about the NFL, doubling down etc.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:19:26pm |
re: #37 metrolibertarian
If the people who hated conservative radio hosts didn't listen, I imagine their listenership would drop by a third. There seems to be an Opus-Dei self-flagellation disease among some of the left where they listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, and/or Beck, buy Ann Coulter' nonsensical shrill screeds, and bitch and complain about it.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:19:54pm |
re: #37 metrolibertarian
If the people who hated conservative radio hosts didn't listen, I imagine their listenership would drop by a third. There seems to be an Opus-Dei self-flagellation disease among some of the left where they listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, and/or Beck, buy Ann Coulter' nonsensical shrill screeds, and bitch and complain about it.
I think some of those poor people believe that the suffering listening to them causes is worthwhile because it helps them gather facts which they believe that they can then use to win arguments against their conservative opponents.
Of course these poor nieve little liberals don't realize just how rare it is to encounter a conservative who actually cares about facts...
Not aimed at a slam to anyone here, talking mainly about the kind of people who would defend/support the type of thing/crazy that Rush or Beck bring to the table....
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The Left Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:20:45pm |
re: #31 Stanley Sea
(screwed up & posted in wrong thread - reposted - stone me!)
Wheee! My first foray into Redstate.
Gag.
Here's the tagline of one of the commenter's:
“The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
WTF? (I don't know The Watchmen, so what's the deal?)
And get this, spell check fixed an error in the idiot's tag line.
Heh. Red State commenters. Another fave there is 300, "molon labe!" and of course Red Dawn. WOLVERINES!
I wonder if Travis Bickle is posting there yet:
All the animals come out at night - whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick, venal. Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.
Taxidriver script, or actual Red State/Hot Air comment? Who can tell any more?
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:20:57pm |
re: #38 albusteve
my stupid theory is this...when you log onto Rush you help pay the bills...I've heard a bit from him on another guys truck radio, otherwise I've neither seen nor heard him except here...don't feed the trolls
Well, I don't log into his site. There was an article here at LGF this morning regarding him: Limbaugh: Obama Will Use Haiti to 'Boost Credibility with Light-Skinned and Dark-Skinned Blacks'. His screeds make the news almost weekly. It's hard to avoid him especially since Obama took office.
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webevintage Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:21:12pm |
re: #6 Dark_Falcon
If he can't find it in his heart to accept the Barack OBama
I agree with Jon Stewart that Rush has proven that he does not have a heart.
(though I'm sure someone is going to say that Rush was just joking in that dry sarcastic way the rest of us don't get.)
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metrolibertarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:22:26pm |
re: #41 jamesfirecat
I think some of those poor people believe that the suffering listening to them causes is worthwhile because it helps them gather facts which they believe that they can then use to win arguments against their conservative opponents.
Of course these poor nieve little liberals don't realize just how rare it is to encounter a conservative who actually cares about facts...
Not aimed at a slam to anyone here, talking mainly about the kind of people who would defend/support the type of thing/crazy that Rush or Beck bring to the table...
When I used to post at Democratic Underground before being banned for daring to suspect Cindy Sheehan's motives and calling Chavez out for being a totalitarian, I would often get the "we need to know what the enemy is thinking" justification, as if some kind of war between the left and right is brewing, and it's going to be fought with rhetoric.
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recusancy Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:22:40pm |
Meanwhile Beck thinks Obama is dividing the nation because he's reacting quickly to the Haiti disaster.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:23:11pm |
re: #43 Gus 802
Well, I don't log into his site. There was an article here at LGF this morning regarding him: Limbaugh: Obama Will Use Haiti to 'Boost Credibility with Light-Skinned and Dark-Skinned Blacks'. His screeds make the news almost weekly. It's hard to avoid him especially since Obama took office.
I saw it...means little to me...he says crazy shit all the time...you gonna go off every time he does?..something tells me that's part of his plan
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:24:23pm |
re: #47 albusteve
I saw it...means little to me...he says crazy shit all the time...you gonna go off every time he does?..something tells me that's part of his plan
Something tells me that we will be better off if we don't ignore it.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:25:03pm |
re: #45 metrolibertarian
When I used to post at Democratic Underground before being banned for daring to suspect Cindy Sheehan's motives and calling Chavez out for being a totalitarian, I would often get the "we need to know what the enemy is thinking" justification, as if some kind of war between the left and right is brewing, and it's going to be fought with rhetoric.
We are the proud soldiers of the 101rst chairborn division are ready to serve our country on the front lines of Word War 1!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:25:35pm |
re: #47 albusteve
.something tells me that's part of his plan
I think it's definitely part of his plan. Rush's listeners hear this so much it no longer strikes them as racist.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:25:47pm |
re: #49 Stanley Sea
Something tells me that we will be better off if we don't ignore it.
so what's up with Rush?...anything new?
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:25:53pm |
re: #47 albusteve
I saw it...means little to me...he says crazy shit all the time...you gonna go off every time he does?..something tells me that's part of his plan
I don't go off. I've heard worse from people over the years. However, I do not believe that ignorance is bliss. Ignorance leads to apathy. We should not even be apathetic towards rhetoric.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:27:42pm |
re: #52 albusteve
so what's up with Rush?...anything new?
re: #53 Gus 802
I don't go off. I've heard worse from people over the years. However, I do not believe that ignorance is bliss. Ignorance leads to apathy. We should not even be apathetic towards rhetoric.
Exactly what Gus said. Apathy allows this to continue. Like his listeners who are not bothered anymore. My neighbors, the listeners.
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RadicalModerate Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:27:44pm |
re: #8 Gus 802
I had to highlight this part of your quoting a RS comment:
If you need a law to say that you are normal and welcomed, then you are a freak and very far from conservative.
And this is why the social conservative faction of the current rightwing movement is a cancer on our nation's politic.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:27:54pm |
re: #42 iceweasel
Taxidriver script, or actual Red State/Hot Air comment? Who can tell any more?
Sorry, ice. i can't upding a comment that goes after 300 or Red Dawn. Both of those movies are quite good. They are not realistic but movies do not always have to be.
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The Left Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:28:00pm |
re: #45 metrolibertarian
When I used to post at Democratic Underground before being banned for daring to suspect Cindy Sheehan's motives and calling Chavez out for being a totalitarian, I would often get the "we need to know what the enemy is thinking" justification, as if some kind of war between the left and right is brewing, and it's going to be fought with rhetoric.
DU is the Freak Republic of the left, as far as I am concerned.
I do think it's important to know what 'the other side' is thinking and how they think-- but not useful to consider everyone on 'teh left' or 'right' as 'Teh Enemy!11'. It's also not useful when one side's ideas about what the other is thinking are completely departing from reality.
Witness the insane left in re: Bush "Fascist! Elections will be suspended!"
Remarkably similar to the insane right in re: Obama "Fascist! Socialist! Elections will be suspended!"
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metrolibertarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:28:52pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
The picture of the dog in that is fucking adorable...
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:29:06pm |
re: #51 Killgore Trout
I think it's definitely part of his plan. Rush's listeners hear this so much it no longer strikes them as racist.
there is definitely a hypnotic, mezmerizing effect to television...Beck, Bakker, Cronkite...it's there...you wan't to hear something and you suck it up when you do til you're bloated on tripe from a screen or monitor...Americans are junkies, they cannot see any differences and they cannot stop....I'm hunkered down...let it happen
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:31:21pm |
re: #60 albusteve
there is definitely a hypnotic, mezmerizing effect to television...Beck, Bakker, Cronkite...it's there...you wan't to hear something and you suck it up when you do til you're bloated on tripe from a screen or monitor...Americans are junkies, they cannot see any differences and they cannot stop...I'm hunkered down...let it happen
Umm... I think there's a difference in the trustworthiness of Walter Cronkite and Glenn Beck....
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The Left Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:31:31pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
Sorry, ice. i can't upding a comment that goes after 300 or Red Dawn. Both of those movies are quite good. They are not realistic but movies do not always have to be.
No prob. I love the movie 300, myself. I'm going after the redstate commenters with names like Leonidas, and the ones who use 'molon labe!' in their tags. 'Molon labe' is increasingly used by wingnuts stockpiling guns, who believe Obama wants to take their guns away. That's what I'm attacking-- not 300.
As to Red Dawn, I still haven't seen it, and there again I'm attacking the wingnuts on RS and HA who reference it and apparently believe there is a coming civil war where they will have to defend America....from other Americans, and the democratically elected POTUS.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:31:35pm |
re: #53 Gus 802
I don't go off. I've heard worse from people over the years. However, I do not believe that ignorance is bliss. Ignorance leads to apathy. We should not even be apathetic towards rhetoric.
you are on LGF, not some street corner...very few here are ignorant of Sir Rush and his gang of political pillagers...speak for yourself I guess but apathy is a state of mind...you on a mission like he is?
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Vambo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:31:40pm |
I don’t know what it is about Sarah Palin that sets people off, but there is very little in between. The reaction people have to Sarah Palin is very much the reaction many people have to Jesus — both offend and disgust the secular values of some and with others failing to embrace either sends you straight to hell.
eh, sorry. I don't know many people who are offended and disgusted by Jesus. Even atheists agree he seems like a pretty good guy.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:33:15pm |
re: #55 Stanley Sea
Exactly what Gus said. Apathy allows this to continue. Like his listeners who are not bothered anymore. My neighbors, the listeners.
then instead of posting what we already know here, you might be better off at your neighbors door...serving against apathy
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prairiefire Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:33:55pm |
re: #64 Vambo
I've been meaning to ask, who is the thin gentleman in your avatar?
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:34:13pm |
re: #63 albusteve
you are on LGF, not some street corner...very few here are ignorant of Sir Rush and his gang of political pillagers...speak for yourself I guess but apathy is a state of mind...you on a mission like he is?
Um, OK Steve. What do you want to talk about? Spaghetti-Os and Eric Clapton?
/
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:35:10pm |
re: #62 iceweasel
No prob. I love the movie 300, myself. I'm going after the redstate commenters with names like Leonidas, and the ones who use 'molon labe!' in their tags. 'Molon labe' is increasingly used by wingnuts stockpiling guns, who believe Obama wants to take their guns away. That's what I'm attacking-- not 300.
As to Red Dawn, I still haven't seen it, and there again I'm attacking the wingnuts on RS and HA who reference it and apparently believe there is a coming civil war where they will have to defend America...from other Americans, and the democratically elected POTUS.
OK, I understand and that comment is updinged. As for Red Dawn, if you get G4 channel, its on this month. If you need any incentive to see it, it starred Patrick Swayze in his early prime.
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metrolibertarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:35:21pm |
BECK: I also believe this is dividing the nation…to where the nation sees him react so rapidly on Haiti and yet he couldn’t react rapidly on Afghanistan.
So in Glenn Beck's world it's bad for our soldiers if the President is deliberative in his approach to war policy. Sometimes when people post things Glenn Beck says I feel like Lewis Black after hearing "if it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college," and am worried I'll suffer an aneurysm...
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:35:45pm |
re: #61 jamesfirecat
Umm... I think there's a difference in the trustworthiness of Walter Cronkite and Glenn Beck...
Cronkite is a perfect example of a man that captured the hearts and minds of middle America, and when he fell off the rails he dragged his followers with him, millions of them
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Bear Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:36:19pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Thanks for the heads up. I have not had a dog for many, many years, just cats now but I always appreciate getting the warnings about pet foods. I am certain that all dog owners will say a big thank you for the alert. The warning will be passed on the the dog owners here in the RV park.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:37:06pm |
re: #68 Gus 802
Um, OK Steve. What do you want to talk about? Spaghetti-Os and Eric Clapton?
/
Rush is fine...I have opinions...but one redundant slam after another is not my style
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:38:17pm |
re: #66 albusteve
then instead of posting what we already know here, you might be better off at your neighbors door...serving against apathy
I need to search out that blog - how to deal with and empathize with the Limbaugh etc. loving neighbors.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:38:43pm |
re: #71 albusteve
Cronkite is a perfect example of a man that captured the hearts and minds of middle America, and when he fell off the rails he dragged his followers with him, millions of them
Oh Cronkite did fall off the rails like Dan Rather? I thought he went to his grave a respected News Man....
Sorry just about all I know about the media I learn from Jon Stewart and blogs....
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Vambo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:39:08pm |
O/T:
[Link: my.barackobama.com...]
sign here if you want your money back.
or not. I don't really know what's going on anymore.
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Aye Pod Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:39:13pm |
re: #50 jamesfirecat
We are the proud soldiers of the 101rst chairborn division are ready to serve our country on the front lines of Word War 1!
Chairborne Ranger!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:39:43pm |
Scott Brown: So-con. Needless to say, I hope this anti-gay tool boards the failboat and gets out of politics.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:39:45pm |
re: #71 albusteve
Cronkite is a perfect example of a man that captured the hearts and minds of middle America, and when he fell off the rails he dragged his followers with him, millions of them
Agreed. His poor analysis of the Tet Offensive did the American cause in Vietnam irreparable damage.
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Kruk Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:39:54pm |
re: #62 iceweasel
No prob. I love the movie 300, myself. I'm going after the redstate commenters with names like Leonidas, and the ones who use 'molon labe!' in their tags. 'Molon labe' is increasingly used by wingnuts stockpiling guns, who believe Obama wants to take their guns away. That's what I'm attacking-- not 300.
As to Red Dawn, I still haven't seen it, and there again I'm attacking the wingnuts on RS and HA who reference it and apparently believe there is a coming civil war where they will have to defend America...from other Americans, and the democratically elected POTUS.
Another favorite tagline seems to be "This is how liberty dies.....with thunderous applause". Cause, you know, Obama is Palpatine.
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Vambo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:40:00pm |
re: #71 albusteve
Cronkite is a perfect example of a man that captured the hearts and minds of middle America, and when he fell off the rails he dragged his followers with him, millions of them
when was that?
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The Left Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:40:10pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
OK, I understand and that comment is updinged. As for Red Dawn, if you get G4 channel, its on this month. If you need any incentive to see it, it starred Patrick Swayze in his early prime.
I'm dying to see it actually-- waiting to watch it with Jimmah though, when we're in the same place. Can't wait!
FYI: past, present, and future posts of mine saying WOLVERINES!1 are likewise all intended in mockery of Erickson and RedState, particularly his hilariously awful idea of 'grassroots activism', the Red State Strike Force, variously mocked on the left as the Red State Trike Force, or Strike Farce, specialising as it does in action like "Send redstate 30 dollars and we'll mail a teabag to your congressperson" and "send redstate money and we'll send rocksalt to Olympia Snowe's office".*
*actual campaigns.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:41:22pm |
OT: Canada is the largest export producer of lentils in the world and Saskatchewan is the most important producing region in Canada.
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metrolibertarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:41:45pm |
re: #80 Kruk
Another favorite tagline seems to be "This is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause". Cause, you know, Obama is Palpatine.
And because Obama can use force lightning.
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Racer X Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:42:42pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
OT: Canada is the largest export producer of lentils in the world and Saskatchewan is the most important producing region in Canada.
I knew it. You're Neal from The Young Ones!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:43:40pm |
re: #7 albusteve
we need Rush and the like
Do we need David Duke? Do we need Hal Turner? Do we need Stormfront and American Renaissance? Because that's where Rush's rhetoric is heading.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:43:44pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
OT: Canada is the largest export producer of lentils in the world and Saskatchewan is the most important producing region in Canada.
Cause it’s a heave-ho, hi-ho, comin’ down the plains
Stealin’ wheat and barley and all the other grains
It’s a ho-hey, hi-hey farmers bar yer doors
When ya see the Jolly Roger on Regina’s mighty shores!
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RealismRox Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:44:04pm |
re: #76 Vambo
Before I clicked I thought this was a link to get donations back from Obama.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:44:04pm |
OT - did anyone hear about the 4.0 earthquake today in Oklahoma?!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:44:31pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:44:54pm |
re: #71 albusteve
Cronkite is a perfect example of a man that captured the hearts and minds of middle America, and when he fell off the rails he dragged his followers with him, millions of them
When did he fall of the rails exactly?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:45:28pm |
re: #80 Kruk
Another favorite tagline seems to be "This is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause". Cause, you know, Obama is Palpatine.
Which is actually quite funny because George Lucas intended the line to refer to presidents Nixon and Bush The Younger.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:45:46pm |
re: #75 jamesfirecat
Oh Cronkite did fall off the rails like Dan Rather? I thought he went to his grave a respected News Man...
Sorry just about all I know about the media I learn from Jon Stewart and blogs...
I suspect one's feelings on Vietnam are the predictor of whether one believes Cronkite "fell off the rails". ;-)
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:46:24pm |
Note to self. Don't bring up Rush Limbaugh. Instead, bring up Walter Cronkite regarding an editorial he made 42 years ago on February 27, 1968. After all, Cronkite, who's still dead, is still the real enemy. Limbaugh isn't an issue here and now, it's that liberal Walter Cronkite.
//
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:47:16pm |
re: #94 WindUpBird
I suspect one's feelings on Vietnam are the predictor of whether one believes Cronkite "fell off the rails". ;-)
There is something to that. Although it is true that the media was wrong in many ways about Tet, that much cannot be denied.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:48:40pm |
At RedSTate:
With Palin, a lot of people got it right — she’s ... a real agent of change, a threat to the secular left and feminist movement because she can carry a baby and think at the same time, etc.
The very notion that he actually believes this is just amazing to me. I'm almost stunned. It's as bizarre as those who claim that GWB was America's best President yet, or those who believe as Pat Robertson & Rush Limbaugh do.
I can only hope that the hate mail received at RedState startles the blog owner enough so that he begins to take a more regular notice of the bat guano craziness among conservatives.
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Vambo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:48:45pm |
re: #67 prairiefire
I've been meaning to ask, who is the thin gentleman in your avatar?
it's from a film adaptation of some HP Lovecraft stories... I don't remember which one, I just liked the pic so I saved it to my computer many months ago.
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MandyManners Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:49:11pm |
Your reaction to the title of this post says more about you than it does about Sarah, Jesus, or me.
I guarantee you that no cars will be burned, no throats will be slit and no fatwas will be issued as the result of that title.
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The Left Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:49:31pm |
re: #80 Kruk
Another favorite tagline seems to be "This is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause". Cause, you know, Obama is Palpatine.
Yeah. Wingnuts often have problems dealing with pop culture.
I discovered another hilarious bit of wingnut analysis of pop culture last night. Some might find it amusing. Link coming up!
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Kruk Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:49:35pm |
re: #84 metrolibertarian
And because Obama can use force lightning.
Heh. I bet he wishes he could, sometimes.
Seriously, a popular theme among the wingnuts is that democracy is fine until the "wrong" people start voting in large numbers. At that point they'll simply hand America over to a tyrant who'll give them welfare and green cards, blood will rain from the sky, wolves will lay down with lambs and the white decent folk will be royally screwed.
Okay, maybe I'm paraphrasing. A little.
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prairiefire Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:50:25pm |
re: #98 Vambo
AH, so an actual starving early 20th century guy.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:50:48pm |
re: #96 Dark_Falcon
There is something to that. Although it is true that the media was wrong in many ways about Tet, that much cannot be denied.
Just because I wasn't born yet at the time and I don't have as much interest in the war(s?) we lost as the ones we've one, what exactly did Cronkite say about Tet and what exactly was the truth?
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MandyManners Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:50:58pm |
re: #95 Gus 802
Note to self. Don't bring up Rush Limbaugh. Instead, bring up Walter Cronkite regarding an editorial he made 42 years ago on February 27, 1968. After all, Cronkite, who's still dead, is still the real enemy. Limbaugh isn't an issue here and now, it's that liberal Walter Cronkite.
//
I hope that Rush still will be taken to task 42 years from now!!!
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:51:53pm |
re: #94 WindUpBird
I suspect one's feelings on Vietnam are the predictor of whether one believes Cronkite "fell off the rails". ;-)
I'm making dinner...bless me again with your question...I'll try to answer it
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:51:53pm |
re: #105 MandyManners
I hope that Rush still will be taken to task 42 years from now!!!
At this time -- probably not.
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metrolibertarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:51:57pm |
re: #101 Kruk
Heh. I bet he wishes he could, sometimes.
Seriously, a popular theme among the wingnuts is that democracy is fine until the "wrong" people start voting in large numbers. At that point they'll simply hand America over to a tyrant who'll give them welfare and green cards, blood will rain from the sky, wolves will lay down with lambs and the
whitedecent folk will be royally screwed.Okay, maybe I'm paraphrasing. A little.
I wouldn't say so. If the teabaggers weren't saying things like "we need to take our country back," the idea that the Limbidiots and Palinistas only like democracy when the correct (re: white christian) people take part might be paraphrasing the intentions of these people. What you said is pretty much the explicit beliefs of these people.
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MandyManners Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:52:32pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:52:39pm |
re: #105 MandyManners
42 years from now Limbaugh will be regarded in the same rare air as Father Coughlin.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:53:28pm |
re: #110 WindUpBird
42 years from now Limbaugh will be regarded in the same rare air as Father Coughlin.
Many virtual updings to you Sir.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:53:52pm |
re: #95 Gus 802
Note to self. Don't bring up Rush Limbaugh. Instead, bring up Walter Cronkite regarding an editorial he made 42 years ago on February 27, 1968. After all, Cronkite, who's still dead, is still the real enemy. Limbaugh isn't an issue here and now, it's that liberal Walter Cronkite.
//
I just tossed him in there for currency...Cronkite certainly does not deserve a thread imo....he's no Rushbaugh true enough
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MandyManners Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:54:10pm |
re: #108 metrolibertarian
I wouldn't say so. If the teabaggers weren't saying things like "we need to take our country back," the idea that the Limbidiots and Palinistas only like democracy when the correct (re: white christian) people take part might be paraphrasing the intentions of these people. What you said is pretty much the explicit beliefs of these people.
How many times did Code Pink and ANSWER and other moonbats say "we need to take our country back" during Pres. Bush's terms?
Assholes are all around the political spectrum.
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MandyManners Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:54:37pm |
re: #110 WindUpBird
42 years from now Limbaugh will be regarded in the same rare air as Father Coughlin.
Ya' think?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:54:51pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:55:27pm |
re: #104 jamesfirecat
Just because I wasn't born yet at the time and I don't have as much interest in the war(s?) we lost as the ones we've one, what exactly did Cronkite say about Tet and what exactly was the truth?
He reported it as a victory for the communists and a major US setback. In sober point of fact, it was a near cataclysmic defeat for the Reds that saw the VC almost annihilated. But the media's hostility to the war lead them to see what was not there.
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darthstar Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:55:39pm |
Erickson turns a blind eye to hate he helps foment against the President and his administration, then he's shocked, SHOCKED, that the same teabaggers who support his site don't respect him when they get off-leash and he says something reasonable on TV (probably trying to suck in more readers to his site)?
I recall Lindsey Graham learned this lesson recently when he made the mistake of saying something honest and had the baggers bite him on the ass.
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:55:56pm |
re: #109 MandyManners
What does that mean?
It means that Cronkite was more culturally relevant and his editorial from 1968 was a significant event. Limbaugh, while infamously famous as he is, is not even remotely equal in stature to Cronkite. He may be studied as a cultural anomaly alongside his peers like Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, etc.
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Vambo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:56:10pm |
re: #97 eclectic infidel
At RedSTate:
The very notion that he actually believes this is just amazing to me. I'm almost stunned. It's as bizarre as those who claim that GWB was America's best President yet, or those who believe as Pat Robertson & Rush Limbaugh do.
I can only hope that the hate mail received at RedState startles the blog owner enough so that he begins to take a more regular notice of the bat guano craziness among conservatives.
I'll catch hell for this, but I don't think it's coincidental that those people are always conservative Christians (or Catholics). I'll bet if you got them going IRL it would only take a minute to get them to mention God and Jesus in a political discussion... specifically "God's will".
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:56:12pm |
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Bagua Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:56:16pm |
re: #86 WindUpBird
Do we need David Duke? Do we need Hal Turner? Do we need Stormfront and American Renaissance? Because that's where Rush's rhetoric is heading.
I've only listened to Rush a few times on the radio, he didn't sound like a David Duke or Stormfront type at all, right of center to be sure, but not outrageous or offensive. The only person I know personally that actually listens to him is a Black friend from Jamaica, and he's a big fan.
But I have read some troubling quotes from him highlighted on this blog, they sounded quite racist and troubling, and suggest there is something dark under the surface, which is true about an unfortunately large number of people.
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metrolibertarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:57:57pm |
re: #113 MandyManners
How many times did Code Pink and ANSWER and other moonbats say "we need to take our country back" during Pres. Bush's terms?
Assholes are all around the political spectrum.
Oh please. These Tea Party people weren't protesting and saying these things when Bush was running up deficits with things like the Medicare prescription drug bill, No Child Left Behind, fighting a war of choice in Iraq, and other expansions of the government. If you honestly don't think there isn't a racial element to rhetoric like that from the Alice in Wonderland Mad Hatters then you're being willfully blind.
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Vambo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:59:13pm |
Also the thing about Sarah Palin being "able to carry a baby and think at the same time" - well, I guess there is no such thing as a mother who happens to be a liberal?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:59:25pm |
re: #113 MandyManners
How many times did Code Pink and ANSWER and other moonbats say "we need to take our country back" during Pres. Bush's terms?
Assholes are all around the political spectrum.
Difference is, we were pretty good at marginalizing our wackos. ANSWER doesn't run the Democratic party, neither does Code Pink. Which is how we elected a moderate Democrat president. We're still in Afghanistan, we're still in Iraq, and the far anti-war left still doesn't have much power.
The GOP needs to do the same. They need to stop demonizing McCain and lionizing Palin. I didn't vote for McCain, but I wouldn't have been rending my garments if he were president.
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recusancy Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:59:28pm |
re: #121 Bagua
So your defending him by saying everybody is a little racist and you have to take everything he says into account rather then just the few sound bites shown here? Ok. Take that same tact with Rev Wright.
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Bagua Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:59:41pm |
re: #116 Dark_Falcon
He reported it as a victory for the communists and a major US setback. In sober point of fact, it was a near cataclysmic defeat for the Reds that saw the VC almost annihilated. But the media's hostility to the war lead them to see what was not there.
Exactly, and it set the tone for the media to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, something they tried desperately to do with Iraq, but Bush refused to submit.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:59:43pm |
re: #116 Dark_Falcon
He reported it as a victory for the communists and a major US setback. In sober point of fact, it was a near cataclysmic defeat for the Reds that saw the VC almost annihilated. But the media's hostility to the war lead them to see what was not there.
when do I get to talk?....you are exactly right, it is very simple and hardly deserves much debate...Cronkite was just plain wrong and he used his charisma to shut down war funding to the RSV, which ended in slaughter....unforgivable
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:00:11pm |
OT
Ugh, that 11 year old Haitian girl that they rescued and covered on CNN died.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:00:26pm |
re: #122 metrolibertarian
Oh please. These Tea Party people weren't protesting and saying these things when Bush was running up deficits with things like the Medicare prescription drug bill, No Child Left Behind, fighting a war of choice in Iraq, and other expansions of the government. If you honestly don't think there isn't a racial element to rhetoric like that from the Alice in Wonderland Mad Hatters then you're being willfully blind.
Wait, wait, wait, how was Alice in Wonderland racist?
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:01:09pm |
re: #4 JasonA
OT: Sorry if this has been brought up already.
Limbaugh: "The U.S. military is now Meals on Wheels."
Bravo, Rush. Bravo.
By the way, my home internet has been... let's just say "down," and I have been missing you guys. Well, some of you :P
He said the same thing during the Clinton years, too.
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metrolibertarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:01:20pm |
re: #129 jamesfirecat
Wait, wait, wait, how was Alice in Wonderland racist?
I'm referring to the crazies who take part in the Tea Parties.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:01:29pm |
re: #124 WindUpBird
Difference is, we were pretty good at marginalizing our wackos. ANSWER doesn't run the Democratic party, neither does Code Pink. Which is how we elected a moderate Democrat president. We're still in Afghanistan, we're still in Iraq, and the far anti-war left still doesn't have much power.
The GOP needs to do the same. They need to stop demonizing McCain and lionizing Palin. I didn't vote for McCain, but I wouldn't have been rending my garments if he were president.
I would have been, not because I hate/fear McCain but because he's an old old man, and if the stress of the job got to him then guess who becomes President?
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:01:42pm |
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prairiefire Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:01:45pm |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:01:53pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:02:03pm |
re: #120 Dark_Falcon
And I hope you're right.
Fingers crossed. My optimistic side says that this will eventually die down as the wacky contingent eventually runs out of steam and gets marginalized, perhaps by a charismatic Republican who can think long-term.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:02:31pm |
re: #132 jamesfirecat
I would have been, not because I hate/fear McCain but because he's an old old man, and if the stress of the job got to him then guess who becomes President?
That's always a valid point.
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Bagua Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:02:42pm |
re: #125 recusancy
So your defending him by saying everybody is a little racist and you have to take everything he says into account rather then just the few sound bites shown here? Ok. Take that same tact with Rev Wright.
Nonsense, why twist my words to say that? I said I'm troubled by that, not that I defend him.
And why mention Rev Wright? I've never commented on him as being a racist, nor at all that I can remember.
That strikes me as an unfair debating tactic, lets debate what each of us is actually saying. I strongly condemn racists, always have.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:02:43pm |
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:03:01pm |
re: #135 reine.de.tout
I just saw that.
Incredibly sad. I watched yesterday as they tried to free her.
I watched it too. Really sad after having watched that and being happy that they took her out of the rubble.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:03:03pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:03:15pm |
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:04:28pm |
So okay, whatever, Glover's remarks were taken out of context---fine. But what the hell was he meaning, then? What does Copenhagen and global warming have to do with a massive earthquake? What kind of parallel was this fucking idiot trying to draw?
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Vambo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:04:36pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:04:57pm |
re: #136 WindUpBird
Fingers crossed. My optimistic side says that this will eventually die down as the wacky contingent eventually runs out of steam and gets marginalized, perhaps by a charismatic Republican who can think long-term.
my fingers are crossed that that wacky nutter BO gets bounced out of office and take his minions with him....I'm thinking that some of his more harmful legislation can be reversed....just hoping!!!
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The Left Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:05:01pm |
re: #121 Bagua
I've only listened to Rush a few times on the radio, he didn't sound like a David Duke or Stormfront type at all, right of center to be sure, but not outrageous or offensive. The only person I know personally that actually listens to him is a Black friend from Jamaica, and he's a big fan.
But I have read some troubling quotes from him highlighted on this blog, they sounded quite racist and troubling, and suggest there is something dark under the surface, which is true about an unfortunately large number of people.
Limbaugh does have a troubling history of mainstreaming a lot of eliminationist rhetoric against the left as well. "Liberals are destroying America" kind of thinking. He was one of the prime movers helping to get that kind of rhetoric into the discourse since the 90's. It was worse when he did it, precisely because he wasn't a stormfront type.
But he, and the mainstreaming of that kind of rhetoric, is one of the reasons why we now see people commenting in places like HotAir and Free Republic and RedState who genuinely believe they need a civil war against Americans who don't share their particular views.
Haven't been a regular listener in years, but I used to listen to lots of rightwing radio, particularly Limbaugh.
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recusancy Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:05:22pm |
re: #141 jamesfirecat
And we evidently now out number the conservatives, I guess we reproduce via spores, or possibly some sort of body consuming parasite...
Well, I'm a liberal and my mom's a republican. I must have been indoctrinated at some point. Actually come to think of it I remember when. It was the moment we went into Iraq for no reason.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:05:55pm |
re: #138 Bagua
Nonsense, why twist my words to say that? I said I'm troubled by that, not that I defend him.
And why mention Rev Wright? I've never commented on him as being a racist, nor at all that I can remember.
That strikes me as an unfair debating tactic, lets debate what each of us is actually saying. I strongly condemn racists, always have.
RE, the unfair debating tactic is otherwise known the infamous "Strawman Argument." And kudos to you for not taking the bait. It's always poison.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:06:21pm |
re: #138 Bagua
Nonsense, why twist my words to say that? I said I'm troubled by that, not that I defend him.
And why mention Rev Wright? I've never commented on him as being a racist, nor at all that I can remember.
That strikes me as an unfair debating tactic, lets debate what each of us is actually saying. I strongly condemn racists, always have.
you gotta watch you back with these guys...twist, turn, and put words in your mouth
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The Left Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:06:36pm |
re: #132 jamesfirecat
I would have been, not because I hate/fear McCain but because he's an old old man, and if the stress of the job got to him then guess who becomes President?
Ditto. On the other hand, I was really hoping that McCain would win the nom in 2000. Unfortunately I believe he changed between 2000 and 2008, and not for the better.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:06:40pm |
re: #116 Dark_Falcon
He reported it as a victory for the communists and a major US setback. In sober point of fact, it was a near cataclysmic defeat for the Reds that saw the VC almost annihilated. But the media's hostility to the war lead them to see what was not there.
It wasn't so much the results of Tet that were reported as a victory, as it was that the VC were able to launch the offensive at all. By early '68 the thinking was that Westmoreland had essentially succeeded in pounding them flat. They were indeed crushed in the aftermath. They were thereafter reduced to simple terrorism, like rocketing villages to show that the South's government could not protect them. And also NVA regulars had to start coming south in greater numbers. But the damage to the U.S. military's credibility was done in the eyes of liberal American opinion-makers, even though broad popular support for the war continued for awhile.
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andres Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:07:21pm |
re: #31 Stanley Sea
(screwed up & posted in wrong thread - reposted - stone me!)
Wheee! My first foray into Redstate.
Gag.
Here's the tagline of one of the commenter's:
“The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen
WTF? (I don't know The Watchmen, so what's the deal?)
And get this, spell check fixed an error in the idiot's tag line.
The Watchmen is a graphic novel (turned into a movie recently), and one of the characters says that phrase. Rorschach is an extremely violent "superhero", to the point that he just kills the criminals. It's a very interesting character, in context.
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Van Helsing Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:07:34pm |
re: #122 metrolibertarian
Oh please. These Tea Party people weren't protesting and saying these things when Bush was running up deficits with things like the Medicare prescription drug bill, No Child Left Behind, fighting a war of choice in Iraq, and other expansions of the government. If you honestly don't think there isn't a racial element to rhetoric like that from the Alice in Wonderland Mad Hatters then you're being willfully blind.
$800bn in one bill that no one had read through. Rushed through, even though one of Obama's campaign points was bringing transparency back to the process.
Rushed through, then waited 3 (or was it 4) days to sign it?
Bush deficits sucked, but were chump change compared to what got rammed through the stimulus.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:07:48pm |
re: #135 reine.de.tout
I just saw that.
Incredibly sad. I watched yesterday as they tried to free her.
Did you hear about that day care center that collapsed? It killed several workers, including a young American. But miraculously the children themselves were elsewhere at the time, and survived.
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Bagua Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:08:25pm |
re: #148 eclectic infidel
RE, the unfair debating tactic is otherwise known the infamous "Strawman Argument." And kudos to you for not taking the bait. It's always poison.
I've noticed that. The intention is to 'win' by discrediting and attacking, as opposed to a search for the truth.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:08:35pm |
re: #143 TheMatrix31
So okay, whatever, Glover's remarks were taken out of context---fine. But what the hell was he meaning, then? What does Copenhagen and global warming have to do with a massive earthquake? What kind of parallel was this fucking idiot trying to draw?
He was trying to piggyback the AGW issue onto the relief effort. That was the whole and the sum of it: An asshole leftie promoting his pet cause while others lie dying.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:08:47pm |
re: #136 WindUpBird
Fingers crossed. My optimistic side says that this will eventually die down as the wacky contingent eventually runs out of steam and gets marginalized, perhaps by a charismatic Republican who can think long-term.
I think the first brave, ethical Republican who denounces this shit runs away with it all.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:09:23pm |
re: #156 Dark_Falcon
That is REALLY fucking annoying. Screw him.
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darthstar Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:09:37pm |
re: #154 The Sanity Inspector
Did you hear about that day care center that collapsed? It killed several workers, including a young American. But miraculously the children themselves were elsewhere at the time, and survived.
It was an orphanage, actually. An American couple who are adopting a Hatian kid were on CNN tonight. The kid's fine, and the paperwork was basically complete, but because the authorities are out of commission they can't get their kid. Sad.
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Kruk Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:09:44pm |
re: #113 MandyManners
How many times did Code Pink and ANSWER and other moonbats say "we need to take our country back" during Pres. Bush's terms?
Assholes are all around the political spectrum.
Absolutely, but the moonbats were questioning the legitimacy of GWB's presidency. (My answer to which was usually "He won. Deal".) The wingnut rhetoric that worries me is the type that questions the legitmacy of America's entire political system, which is another level of crazy altogether. In the past few months we've seen a commentator fantasising about a military intervention if Obama "seeks to extend his reign" (sounds so much more sinister than "runs for re-election"), and another author (can't remember the name) bemoaning that the country screwed itself when it gave women the vote and that Civil Rights laws were a bad idea. These people are longing for the days when only white males had the vote, and that goes way beyond simple ODS.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:09:57pm |
On the Walter Cronkite Issue, I thinkre: #151 The Sanity Inspector
It wasn't so much the results of Tet that were reported as a victory, as it was that the VC were able to launch the offensive at all. By early '68 the thinking was that Westmoreland had essentially succeeded in pounding them flat. They were indeed crushed in the aftermath. They were thereafter reduced to simple terrorism, like rocketing villages to show that the South's government could not protect them. And also NVA regulars had to start coming south in greater numbers. But the damage to the U.S. military's credibility was done in the eyes of liberal American opinion-makers, even though broad popular support for the war continued for awhile.
Thank you, I was going to make similar comments but couldn't quite figure out how to say them...
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:10:03pm |
re: #151 The Sanity Inspector
It wasn't so much the results of Tet that were reported as a victory, as it was that the VC were able to launch the offensive at all. By early '68 the thinking was that Westmoreland had essentially succeeded in pounding them flat. They were indeed crushed in the aftermath. They were thereafter reduced to simple terrorism, like rocketing villages to show that the South's government could not protect them. And also NVA regulars had to start coming south in greater numbers. But the damage to the U.S. military's credibility was done in the eyes of liberal American opinion-makers, even though broad popular support for the war continued for awhile.
yes, in short Cronkite was dead wrong...and I mean dead...and for the aftermath the NVA did not go south in even greater numbers...they were shattered for two years...show me otherwise, I've never heard of that notion
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recusancy Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:10:10pm |
re: #138 Bagua
Nonsense, why twist my words to say that? I said I'm troubled by that, not that I defend him.
And why mention Rev Wright? I've never commented on him as being a racist, nor at all that I can remember.
That strikes me as an unfair debating tactic, lets debate what each of us is actually saying. I strongly condemn racists, always have.
You said he's "not outrageous or offensive". And you said "But I have read some troubling quotes from him highlighted on this blog, they sounded quite racist and troubling, and suggest there is something dark under the surface, which is true about an unfortunately large number of people."
So you said he's not offensive and that a large number of people share his darkness under the surface. That sounds like your defending him.
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Van Helsing Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:11:05pm |
re: #143 TheMatrix31
'Fucking idiot' pretty well covers Glover.
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Firstinla Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:11:42pm |
The first American to die in Vietnam was a man from my unit. The VieCong threw a grenade into the rodio hut in which he was training South Vietnam troops. Many, many people have made horrific decisions, from the Eisenhower administration up to today. With any knowledge of the history of the Vietnam war one will understand just how terrible the consequences of those decisons. I was one of those who protested against Cronkite as I knew at the time he was worsening an already dire situation. As a 69-year old man I find it fascinating that lived history can be so variously viewed. Good and heroic friends from that era of American history are today frequently challenged when younger people dispute their stories. One will find great honesty in Cronkite's reporting of the war. He was in-country several times. He also made several serious mistakes.
I have thoroughly enjoyed my time at LGF since signing in on Christmas Day. I have learned a great deal from the lizards. And I couldn't be any more WOWed than I have been with the awesome posts about music. I have seen and heard things that have brought great pleasure. So thank you all. You're making my world a better place.
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prairiefire Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:11:51pm |
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Vambo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:11:53pm |
re: #98 Vambo
it's from a film adaptation of some HP Lovecraft stories... I don't remember which one, I just liked the pic so I saved it to my computer many months ago.
o hai I found it!!!
[Link: www.cinemastrikesback.com...]
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:11:57pm |
re: #161 jamesfirecat
On the Walter Cronkite Issue, I think
Thank you, I was going to make similar comments but couldn't quite figure out how to say them...
where did the NVA invade the south in greater numbers post Tet?...where and when?
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:12:16pm |
re: #151 The Sanity Inspector
It wasn't so much the results of Tet that were reported as a victory, as it was that the VC were able to launch the offensive at all. By early '68 the thinking was that Westmoreland had essentially succeeded in pounding them flat. They were indeed crushed in the aftermath. They were thereafter reduced to simple terrorism, like rocketing villages to show that the South's government could not protect them. And also NVA regulars had to start coming south in greater numbers. But the damage to the U.S. military's credibility was done in the eyes of liberal American opinion-makers, even though broad popular support for the war continued for awhile.
Some public opinion numbers here and a graph here. By February of '68 it was already down to 42% and was already seeing a previous decline from a high of 61% in '65.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:12:43pm |
re: #151 The Sanity Inspector
It wasn't so much the results of Tet that were reported as a victory, as it was that the VC were able to launch the offensive at all. By early '68 the thinking was that Westmoreland had essentially succeeded in pounding them flat. They were indeed crushed in the aftermath. They were thereafter reduced to simple terrorism, like rocketing villages to show that the South's government could not protect them. And also NVA regulars had to start coming south in greater numbers. But the damage to the U.S. military's credibility was done in the eyes of liberal American opinion-makers, even though broad popular support for the war continued for awhile.
Perhaps my favorite media error from 1968 was to paint the NVA's use of three PT-76 amphibious tanks near SAigon as a major threat that put the American troops facing them in a bind. In actuality, the tanks the reporter referred were all knocked out by one US M48A3 Patton. The news media was playing up tanks that ended up nothing more than kill rings on a American gun barrel,
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The Left Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:13:25pm |
re: #163 recusancy
You said he's "not outrageous or offensive". And you said "But I have read some troubling quotes from him highlighted on this blog, they sounded quite racist and troubling, and suggest there is something dark under the surface, which is true about an unfortunately large number of people."
So you said he's not offensive and that a large number of people share his darkness under the surface. That sounds like your defending him.
Don't think that's fair. Bagua was saying he didn't find him offensive or outrageous on the few occasions when he'd listened, quite a while ago. Bagua also does find the info on Rush here to be outrageous and offensive and troubling, so far as I know. I don't think B was defending Rush any more than I was upthread, merely pointing out that because Rush isn't StormFront, an unfortunately large number of people think he's sane and are influenced by him.
I'll butt out now.
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recusancy Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:14:05pm |
re: #171 iceweasel
Don't think that's fair. Bagua was saying he didn't find him offensive or outrageous on the few occasions when he'd listened, quite a while ago. Bagua also does find the info on Rush here to be outrageous and offensive and troubling, so far as I know. I don't think B was defending Rush any more than I was upthread, merely pointing out that because Rush isn't StormFront, an unfortunately large number of people think he's sane and are influenced by him.
I'll butt out now.
Well, if that's the case then I misread and apologize.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:14:16pm |
re: #160 Kruk
Absolutely, but the moonbats were questioning the legitimacy of GWB's presidency. (My answer to which was usually "He won. Deal".) The wingnut rhetoric that worries me is the type that questions the legitmacy of America's entire political system, which is another level of crazy altogether. In the past few months we've seen a commentator fantasising about a military intervention if Obama "seeks to extend his reign" (sounds so much more sinister than "runs for re-election"), and another author (can't remember the name) bemoaning that the country screwed itself when it gave women the vote and that Civil Rights laws were a bad idea. These people are longing for the days when only white males had the vote, and that goes way beyond simple ODS.
Sorry dude, he didn't win. He was appointed by the Supreme Court.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:14:49pm |
re: #168 albusteve
where did the NVA invade the south in greater numbers post Tet?...where and when?
Ask Sanity Inspector he seems to have his shit together on this issue better than I do...
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darthstar Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:14:51pm |
Okay...time to go to Garwood's for dinner and to see the band that played at our wedding.
Have a great evening, everyone.
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Bagua Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:15:00pm |
re: #163 recusancy
You said he's "not outrageous or offensive". And you said "But I have read some troubling quotes from him highlighted on this blog, they sounded quite racist and troubling, and suggest there is something dark under the surface, which is true about an unfortunately large number of people."
So you said he's not offensive and that a large number of people share his darkness under the surface. That sounds like your defending him.
There, you did it again:
You said: "You said he's "not outrageous or offensive".
What I actually said was: "I've only listened to Rush a few times on the radio, and he didn't sound like a David Duke or Stormfront type."
Which you twisted into my pronouncing "he's no outrageous or offensive" whereas I clearly was referencing the few times I listened to him and how he sounded then.
Are you aware that you are doing this?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:15:09pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:16:38pm |
re: #174 jamesfirecat
Ask Sanity Inspector he seems to have his shit together on this issue better than I do...
he's wrong...read a book
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:16:57pm |
re: #160 Kruk
Absolutely, but the moonbats were questioning the legitimacy of GWB's presidency. (My answer to which was usually "He won. Deal".) The wingnut rhetoric that worries me is the type that questions the legitmacy of America's entire political system, which is another level of crazy altogether. In the past few months we've seen a commentator fantasising about a military intervention if Obama "seeks to extend his reign" (sounds so much more sinister than "runs for re-election"), and another author (can't remember the name) bemoaning that the country screwed itself when it gave women the vote and that Civil Rights laws were a bad idea. These people are longing for the days when only white males had the vote, and that goes way beyond simple ODS.
Reminds me of a single, long-ago counter-example from the Left:
[Herbert] Marcuse made a lengthy, impassioned response. What good was
the Voting Rights Act accomplishing, he said, since the blacks were
pursuing the tawdry values as their white fellow citizens? They were
accepting the same capitalist values and aping the life-restricting
respectability of the middle class. At a prolonged pause in his
reply, just as he was getting his second wind, I rose and asked him a
simple question: "Which do you prefer, a situation in which the
blacks had no freedom to vote or one in which they had the freedom to
vote but chose wrongly?" Marcuse's response surprised the
audience--and subsequently perhaps Marcuse himself: "Since I have
gone so far out on a limb, I may as well go all the way. I would
prefer that they did not have the freedom to vote if they are going to
make the wrong use of their freedom." For this and other reasons, I
suspect, Marcuse never became the darling of the black American
students.
--Sidney Hook, Out of Step: An Unquiet Life in the Twentieth Century
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Bagua Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:17:15pm |
re: #165 Firstinla
You have my respect and gratitude for your service. Thank you for sharing that with us.
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prairiefire Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:17:17pm |
re: #167 Vambo
Thanks~~1998. He does look authentic 1933ish.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:17:31pm |
re: #173 marjoriemoon
Sorry dude, he didn't win. He was appointed by the Supreme Court.
You need a sarc tag or an education. I know we have more lefties on LGF these days which is fine by me but I'd rather not see a return of the easily debunked moonbat talking points.
Before you ask; No, I'm not going to debate it with you or provide links. You should know better by now.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:17:38pm |
re: #135 reine.de.tout
Hey take heart. While some perish, I just saw a guy from the Dominican Republic just jump in a hole, crawl over some dead, and pluck a 2 year old out. Anderson Cooper had the story. Yay! One more precious life a little girl saved.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:18:26pm |
re: #162 albusteve
yes, in short Cronkite was dead wrong...and I mean dead...and for the aftermath the NVA did not go south in even greater numbers...they were shattered for two years...show me otherwise, I've never heard of that notion
I might have my timeline telescoped a bit; sorry if I do.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:18:41pm |
re: #140 Gus 802
I watched it too. Really sad after having watched that and being happy that they took her out of the rubble.
Just watching CNN - saw the filmed rescue of an 18-month old that took place earlier today. Beautiful. So, some good news, too.
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Bagua Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:18:52pm |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:19:13pm |
re: #183 Rightwingconspirator
Hey take heart. While some perish, I just saw a guy from the Dominican Republic just jump in a hole, crawl over some dead, and pluck a 2 year old out. Anderson Cooper had the story. Yay! One more precious life a little girl saved.
That's the story I just saw!
Yes, it was a beautiful sight to see.
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Firstinla Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:19:41pm |
re: #180 Bagua
You are welcome and thank you. Too often I get caught up listening to great music and never get to the thread. I'm doing better tonight.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:19:55pm |
re: #178 albusteve
he's wrong...read a book
To be fair allow me to clarify the main parts of his post that I agreed with where how Tet seemed to be a major PR victory for the North Vietnamese as it made things clear that they were far from defeated and could apparently still strike with extreme force.
The fact that doing this cost them their ability to do it a second time doesn't matter much when you're fighting a war with goals and sides as unclear as Vietnam.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:19:59pm |
re: #182 Killgore Trout
You need a sarc tag or an education. I know we have more lefties on LGF these days which is fine by me but I'd rather not see a return of the easily debunked moonbat talking points.
Before you ask; No, I'm not going to debate it with you or provide links. You should know better by now.
Thank you.
I just have no energy for this.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:20:04pm |
re: #182 Killgore Trout
You need a sarc tag or an education. I know we have more lefties on LGF these days which is fine by me but I'd rather not see a return of the easily debunked moonbat talking points.
Before you ask; No, I'm not going to debate it with you or provide links. You should know better by now.
killgore...what are you eating for breakfast these days?...jus wondering
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:20:16pm |
re: #165 Firstinla
The first American to die in Vietnam was a man from my unit. The VieCong threw a grenade into the rodio hut in which he was training South Vietnam troops. Many, many people have made horrific decisions, from the Eisenhower administration up to today. With any knowledge of the history of the Vietnam war one will understand just how terrible the consequences of those decisons. I was one of those who protested against Cronkite as I knew at the time he was worsening an already dire situation. As a 69-year old man I find it fascinating that lived history can be so variously viewed. Good and heroic friends from that era of American history are today frequently challenged when younger people dispute their stories. One will find great honesty in Cronkite's reporting of the war. He was in-country several times. He also made several serious mistakes.
I have thoroughly enjoyed my time at LGF since signing in on Christmas Day. I have learned a great deal from the lizards. And I couldn't be any more WOWed than I have been with the awesome posts about music. I have seen and heard things that have brought great pleasure. So thank you all. You're making my world a better place.
Thank you for your service. Our soldiers in that war fought as bravely and well as in all others, and it's a shame that they didn't get their parades until the 80s.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:20:17pm |
re: #182 Killgore Trout
You need a sarc tag or an education. I know we have more lefties on LGF these days which is fine by me but I'd rather not see a return of the easily debunked moonbat talking points.
Before you ask; No, I'm not going to debate it with you or provide links. You should know better by now.
Bush was NOT appointed by the Supreme Court in 2000?
The left's problems with Bush centered around specific policies with his administration that started from that election. We didn't attack his Christianity or his birth place. There was some chatter about his grandfather, but nothing like O has had to endure.
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Kruk Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:22:54pm |
re: #185 prairiefire
He won by 556 votes in FL.
So, a narrow win, then? :) The point I make to people is that the US presidency has never been decided by the popular vote, but by winning a majority in the electoral college. GWB did that, and that made him a legitimate president. He won within the rules of the electoral system as it was, which may have its flaws but has worked well for over 200 years.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:23:01pm |
re: #195 marjoriemoon
No, Bush won the election, fair and square.
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Obdicut Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:23:12pm |
re: #165 Firstinla
If you ever visit San Francisco, I'd love it if you let me know. It would be an honor to show off the Presidio to you, including the cemetery where my grandfather is buried.
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jaunte Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:23:17pm |
re: #195 marjoriemoon
Bush was NOT appointed by the Supreme Court in 2000?
No. It was a close election.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:25:27pm |
re: #195 marjoriemoon
Bush was NOT appointed by the Supreme Court in 2000?
The left's problems with Bush centered around specific policies with his administration that started from that election. We didn't attack his Christianity or his birth place. There was some chatter about his grandfather, but nothing like O has had to endure.
Wasn't Prescott Bush a suspected Nazi Sympathizer?
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:25:41pm |
The stopped the recount when there more votes to count. I was here. I lived that fiasco.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:25:46pm |
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recusancy Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:25:50pm |
re: #195 marjoriemoon
Bush was NOT appointed by the Supreme Court in 2000?
The left's problems with Bush centered around specific policies with his administration that started from that election. We didn't attack his Christianity or his birth place. There was some chatter about his grandfather, but nothing like O has had to endure.
He wasn't appointed. The supreme court shut the recount process down effectively giving him the win in Florida and therefore the presidency. Gores lawyers didn't do the best jobs though either. There were lots a problems all around from the ballots on up.
It was what it was. We've paid for it as a country and we're moving on. If Clinton could keep his pants on or if Gore could have been better trained in the optics of debate we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:25:54pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:25:58pm |
re: #191 jamesfirecat
To be fair allow me to clarify the main parts of his post that I agreed with where how Tet seemed to be a major PR victory for the North Vietnamese as it made things clear that they were far from defeated and could apparently still strike with extreme force.
The fact that doing this cost them their ability to do it a second time doesn't matter much when you're fighting a war with goals and sides as unclear as Vietnam.
whatever..here's the scoop...the NVA were decimated after TET and basically left the field...the VC were liquidated entirely...the PR victory was handed to Hanoi by Cronkite, who did not have the slightest clue what he was talking about...millions upon millions of people whi trusted old Walt fell for it, and in the end the spinless, gutless Dems withdrew funding for the South to try and beat off the coming offensives nearly two years later...they folded and the gore was on...thanks to Walter Cronkite, far worse in scope than the rather memos....read a book or two, I was there and remember how the whole ugly fucking thing went down....despicable
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prairiefire Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:26:26pm |
re: #196 Kruk
There is the issue of the wrongly purged votes of a number of African Americans. They won the civil suit brought by the NAACP against FL. I file that under the heading "shit happens".
Also known as "shit happens frequently to black people."
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Firstinla Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:26:33pm |
re: #198 Obdicut
Thanks for the invite! The Presido was my last post before discharge. Often I visit and walk among the eucalyptus trees to help me remember. And what an awesome location.
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jaunte Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:26:42pm |
The Miami Herald and USA Today conducted a comprehensive review of 64,248 "undercounted" ballots in Florida's 67 counties that ended last month.Their count showed that Bush's razor-thin margin of 537 votes -- certified in December by the Florida Secretary of State's office -- would have tripled to 1,665 votes if counted according to standards advocated by his Democratic rival, former Vice President Al Gore.
[Link: archives.cnn.com...]
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:27:55pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:28:48pm |
re: #209 reine.de.tout
Now, don't go confusing folks with facts.
no shit...it's amazing how stupid people are
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:29:18pm |
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recusancy Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:29:27pm |
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:29:28pm |
re: #208 jaunte
[Link: archives.cnn.com...]
And what about the 1000s of overseas votes stuffed in a filing cabinet found weeks after the election. Miriam Oliphant, Election supervisor of Broward County lost her job because of how she ran that election and her office. Bags of votes in many counties lost. Every vote in that election counted or should have.
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Van Helsing Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:29:33pm |
re: #210 jaunte
I have some anecdotes too!
Who could ever forget 'hanging chad' and 'dimpled chad' and 'butteryfly ballots' oh my.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:30:20pm |
You got 3000 Jews voting for Pat Buchanan. Oh nothing wrong with that election, no....
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:30:21pm |
re: #216 Van Helsing
Who could ever forget 'hanging chad' and 'dimpled chad' and 'butteryfly ballots' oh my.
And votes for Pat Buchanan!
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jaunte Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:30:34pm |
Despite 2001 election news, Rush Limbaugh remains a putrid lower form of pond scum.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:30:36pm |
re: #216 Van Helsing
Who could ever forget 'hanging chad' and 'dimpled chad' and 'butteryfly ballots' oh my.
What I remember is the photo of the guy looking closely at a ballot, so close his eyes were crossed.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:30:39pm |
re: #193 albusteve
killgore...what are you eating for breakfast these days?...jus wondering
That's an odd question but I usually have a bagel, cream cheese, lox and tea. Every sunday I make a breakfast of taters, bacon and eggs. English muffin with butter and honey is optional.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:31:21pm |
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:31:28pm |
re: #219 jaunte
Despite 2001 election news, Rush Limbaugh remains a putrid lower form of pond scum.
Now that's something I can agree on :)
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recusancy Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:32:06pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:32:13pm |
re: #221 Killgore Trout
That's an odd question but I usually have a bagel, cream cheese, lox and tea. Every sunday I make a breakfast of taters, bacon and eggs. English muffin with butter and honey is optional.
it's just that you seem more stout these days...like old times
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celticdragon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:32:28pm |
re: #62 iceweasel
No prob. I love the movie 300, myself. I'm going after the redstate commenters with names like Leonidas, and the ones who use 'molon labe!' in their tags. 'Molon labe' is increasingly used by wingnuts stockpiling guns, who believe Obama wants to take their guns away. That's what I'm attacking-- not 300.
As to Red Dawn, I still haven't seen it, and there again I'm attacking the wingnuts on RS and HA who reference it and apparently believe there is a coming civil war where they will have to defend America...from other Americans, and the democratically elected POTUS.
Here is one of the most depressing things i have read in days...from Andrew Sullivan:
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Over Christmas, my brother and I paid a visit to the other side of our family. They live as far as they can from an urban center, and are distrustful of "citified" people, though they make an exception for my side of the family, even if we are looked upon as somewhat freakish. They are Red Staters trapped in a Blue State (Washington), and resent it. They are nominally Christian.
None (save one 2nd cousin, who has run away to attend the university I tutor at in the city) have graduated from high school, having left early to take up some form of manual labor. One of my cousins, a meth addict, disappeared years ago in Idaho. Another, a year younger than I (47) is a grandmother dying of cirrhosis of the liver. Another cousin has three daughters, all of whom are on welfare, have multiple kids from different men, spend their days playing video games when not getting new tattoos and tramp stamps at the nearest mall. All are obese and chain-smoke. All routinely refer to President Obama as "the n*****." All watch Fox News in between bouts of video games.
Some of them have seen jail. Two of my cousins had been, up until a few years ago, given to reading romance novels and lurid true-crime books. They now have taken to buying the books of Hannity, Coulter, et al.
On this visit, we found that Sarah Palin's book had become the Christmas gift of choice for most of them. Whether they've read it or not, she was the primary topic of their conversation. They adore her. "She speaks like us," one aunt said, almost tearfully. "She's one of us." Their anger, impotent at the moment, seems to be growing. My brother and I made a hasty retreat out, as we were neither of us in the mood to engage these family members in debate. Why? To what end? But nor could we just stay and listen to these deluded, rambling speeches. Worse, we felt chilled by the experience.
The next American revolution really will be led by an ignorant rabble with pitchforks.
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Obdicut Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:32:35pm |
re: #207 Firstinla
I was so, so sad when they announced the closure. Please know that the citizens of San Fransisco were proud to host you, and dearly loved you. It's just not the same these days.
My favorite thing about the cemetery there is that it shows the democracy of our Army: my grandfather, a captain, is buried next to a private, and a Major General-- William F. Dean, a winner of the Medal of Honor.
And all three have simple white headstones.
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jaunte Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:32:39pm |
re: #215 marjoriemoon
It's a messy business.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Nixon had some complaints about Kennedy's 1960 win, too.
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Kruk Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:32:45pm |
re: #223 marjoriemoon
Now that's something I can agree on :)
How about we all agree my off-hand comment caused a very effective (if unintentional) thread derail, and move on? :)
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:33:15pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:33:23pm |
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Girth Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:33:29pm |
Gore probably would have won had the Dems not screwed up six ways from Sunday. But they did, so he didn't. Get over it.
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Obdicut Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:34:00pm |
re: #195 marjoriemoon
This is not a fight worth fighting, in my opinion, at this time. It divided the country enough then, let's not let it divide us again. Obama is president now.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:34:25pm |
re: #229 Kruk
How about we all agree my off-hand comment caused a very effective (if unintentional) thread derail, and move on? :)
I should have been kinder to you. I agreed with the rest of your post, but that first sentence, which obviously struck a nerve.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:34:33pm |
re: #228 jaunte
It's a messy business.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]Nixon had some complaints about Kennedy's 1960 win, too.
Well if anyone would know about election tampering it would be Nixon!
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recusancy Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:35:04pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:35:23pm |
re: #225 albusteve
it's just that you seem more stout these days...like old times
I don't think that's the breakfast. I started drinking Siitake and ginger broth in the afternoon. Ever since I started that I feel better than I have in a very long time.
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Vambo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:35:36pm |
re: #181 prairiefire
Thanks~~1998. He does look authentic 1933ish.
I found a torrent! downloading now. I don't think I've seen any of these
[Link: isohunt.com...]
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:36:07pm |
re: #236 recusancy
Don't make me like you.
LGF has a long tradition of friction...I can deal with it
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Kruk Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:36:40pm |
re: #234 marjoriemoon
I should have been kinder to you. I agreed with the rest of your post, but that first sentence, which obviously struck a nerve.
No worries. Like I said, the comment in brackets was off-hand and had nothing to do with the topic being discussed, so it was probably a mistake to put it in.
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jaunte Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:36:45pm |
re: #231 Killgore Trout
Here's a decent soup post for the cookbook blog.
P.S. What's the status of the cookbook. Is it postponed indefinitely? Please pardon if that's a sensitive question.
I can answer that. No, it's not, the assembly and illustration part keeps suffering delays because of my paying job. Still cranking away on it, and I will have my pen and paper out this weekend.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:36:56pm |
re: #231 Killgore Trout
Here's a decent soup post for the cookbook blog.
P.S. What's the status of the cookbook. Is it postponed indefinitely? Please pardon if that's a sensitive question.
The cookbook is underway.
Because the two who carry the heaviest load (Jaunte and FlakMusic) work, it is simply slow going.
We'll get there sooner or later.
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Firstinla Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:37:00pm |
re: #227 Obdicut
That's the America of my heart for everyone to see. Our brave men and women allow places like LGF to thrive. God bless us all.
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Escaped Hillbilly Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:37:34pm |
I am going to stop trying to catch up before posting. I can't even keep up with the current conversation.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:37:38pm |
re: #241 jaunte
I can answer that. No, it's not, the assembly and illustration part keeps suffering delays because of my paying job. Still cranking away on it, and I will have my pen and paper out this weekend.
Ah, ok. No hurry, I was just curious.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:38:06pm |
re: #228 jaunte
It's a messy business.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]Nixon had some complaints about Kennedy's 1960 win, too.
This was different. I don't think there's a soul in Florida that sees it differently than I do and that includes the Republicans.
You remember Katherine Harris, don't you? The lady with lots of makeup? She was the FL Sec of State at the time. She had been a senator before? And then a Congresswoman after (I may have that switched around). She went on a tangent in front of the Baptists about how this is a Christian country and should be run that way, very Bachmann like. She lost reelection IIRC.
She was the GOPs Barbie doll and they chucked her to the curb like Sarah :)
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The Left Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:38:06pm |
re: #226 celticdragon
So sad. Sully is a weird one. He'll often post good and useful items, such as his Iran coverage, and then he'll inevitably post something that enrages me, such as some recent anti-Israel stuff -- and his recurring obsession with Palin's uterus.
There are so many items to legitimately go after Palin on, but he continues to obsess over Trig and crazy shit like that.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:38:13pm |
re: #237 Killgore Trout
I don't think that's the breakfast. I started drinking Siitake and ginger broth in the afternoon. Ever since I started that I feel better than I have in a very long time.
good for you!...I expect a firm 'fuck you' sometime soon...that's when I started to really appreciate your posts back then...ahhh, we are all older now tho, eh?
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:38:55pm |
re: #243 Firstinla
That's the America of my heart for everyone to see. Our brave men and women allow places like LGF to thrive. God bless us all.
and to you...thank you
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:39:11pm |
re: #240 Kruk
No worries. Like I said, the comment in brackets was off-hand and had nothing to do with the topic being discussed, so it was probably a mistake to put it in.
Don't let me stifle you. I'll just yell and you can tell me to F* off. I've been here awhile!
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Bagua Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:39:22pm |
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celticdragon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:39:25pm |
re: #247 iceweasel
So sad. Sully is a weird one. He'll often post good and useful items, such as his Iran coverage, and then he'll inevitably post something that enrages me, such as some recent anti-Israel stuff -- and his recurring obsession with Palin's uterus.
There are so many items to legitimately go after Palin on, but he continues to obsess over Trig and crazy shit like that.
True.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:40:14pm |
re: #248 albusteve
Heh, well the language has been tamed a bit around here so I try to keep up with the times. I still drink so the F word comes up latter in the evenings. I'll keep you in mind next time I feel one brewing.
;)
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prairiefire Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:40:42pm |
re: #231 Killgore Trout
I love Pacific food co.'s creamy tomato soup.
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Kruk Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:40:55pm |
re: #250 marjoriemoon
Don't let me stifle you. I'll just yell and you can tell me to F* off. I've been here awhile!
Heh. I tend to avoid F words. That's one of the things I love about LFG. Even people who disagree vehemently can have civilised discussions.
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recusancy Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:41:17pm |
re: #247 iceweasel
What did he post that was anti Israel? Or was it a criticism of Israel which you call being anti Israel?
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avanti Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:41:25pm |
re: #169 Gus 802
Some public opinion numbers here and a graph here. By February of '68 it was already down to 42% and was already seeing a previous decline from a high of 61% in '65.
After my first tour off Vietnam in 1967, I decided I was not thrilled about going back as more than a few others did. By than, even my division officer had doubts and we talked often about the history of that country from WWII on. Too many mistakes made for decades, to end up just as the country would have in the 50's if we'd allowed elections to reunify the country, even knowing the bad Commies would win.
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celticdragon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:41:35pm |
re: #253 Killgore Trout
Heh, well the language has been tamed a bit around here so I try to keep up with the times. I still drink so the F word comes up latter in the evenings. I'll keep you in mind next time I feel one brewing.
;)
Frak the lot o' ya! ;)
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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:41:56pm |
re: #255 Kruk
Even people who disagree vehemently can have civilised discussions.
Fuck you.
/sorry, I couldn't resist
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:42:17pm |
the FNDT used to be pure mayhem...music, jokes, fights all over the place, fast paced...fun times...you'd forget who you were arguing with and smack some innocent bystander....hahaha!...I loved it
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:43:06pm |
re: #253 Killgore Trout
Heh, well the language has been tamed a bit around here so I try to keep up with the times. I still drink so the F word comes up latter in the evenings. I'll keep you in mind next time I feel one brewing.
;)
I'm flattered...maybe I'll even remind you
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Firstinla Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:43:38pm |
re: #251 Bagua
Thanks, Bagua. Some of that great music to punctuate the thread.
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The Left Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:43:46pm |
re: #256 recusancy
What did he post that was anti Israel? Or was it a criticism of Israel which you call being anti Israel?
Good point. It was a criticism of Israel with which I personally did not agree, and I do not find all criticisms of Israeli policy to be perforce anti-Israel or evidence of antisemitism. I don't think Sully is either of those two, btw, anti-Israel or antisemitic. I also haven't read enough of his stuff on foreign policy generally.
Sorry for my poor wording.
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laZardo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:43:47pm |
FWIW Speaking of Vietnam...
/the video poster knows it's Jefferson Airplane in the pictures.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:43:50pm |
re: #4 JasonA
OT: Sorry if this has been brought up already.
Limbaugh: "The U.S. military is now Meals on Wheels."
Bravo, Rush. Bravo.
By the way, my home internet has been... let's just say "down," and I have been missing you guys. Well, some of you :P
Yes, Rush. We know you like them better when they're shooting people, but sometimes the U.S. military has other grown-up work to do.
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celticdragon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:45:05pm |
re: #258 avanti
After my first tour off Vietnam in 1967, I decided I was not thrilled about going back as more than a few others did. By than, even my division officer had doubts and we talked often about the history of that country from WWII on. Too many mistakes made for decades, to end up just as the country would have in the 50's if we'd allowed elections to reunify the country, even knowing the bad Commies would win.
What? Dien Bien Phu wasn't a brilliant example of French planning?
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Kruk Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:45:44pm |
re: #267 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, Rush. We know you like them better when they're shooting people, but sometimes the U.S. military has other grown-up work to do.
I'm kinda curious what he said when *Republican* President Bush sent the military to aid the victims of the Asian tsunami.
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recusancy Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:47:34pm |
re: #269 Kruk
I'm kinda curious what he said when *Republican* President Bush sent the military to aid the victims of the Asian tsunami.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:48:02pm |
re: #268 celticdragon
What? Dien Bien Phu wasn't a brilliant example of French planning?
what high ground ees thees?
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:50:05pm |
re: #258 avanti
After my first tour off Vietnam in 1967, I decided I was not thrilled about going back as more than a few others did. By than, even my division officer had doubts and we talked often about the history of that country from WWII on. Too many mistakes made for decades, to end up just as the country would have in the 50's if we'd allowed elections to reunify the country, even knowing the bad Commies would win.
I was a child back then. However, I have mixed feelings about Vietnam. There were far too many "rules of engagement" hindering normal military operations. Too much politicalization of military ops. An unmotivated ARVN. Lack of interagency cooperation and poor inter-branch cooperation. The draft, conscription, etc.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:50:07pm |
re: #227 Obdicut
I was so, so sad when they announced the closure. Please know that the citizens of San Fransisco were proud to host you, and dearly loved you. It's just not the same these days.
My favorite thing about the cemetery there is that it shows the democracy of our Army: my grandfather, a captain, is buried next to a private, and a Major General-- William F. Dean, a winner of the Medal of Honor.
And all three have simple white headstones.
General Dean was true lead-from-the-front officer. When 3.5 inch Super Bazookas were airlifted to Korea in 1950, he personally led an anti-tank team in order to show his men that the t-34/85 could be destroyed by this new weapon. His anti-tank teams destroyed 27 T-34s during the fighting in Teajon. Though his 24 ID was forced to retreat, they did so in good order, the Norks being too battered to pursue.
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Kruk Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:50:11pm |
re: #272 recusancy
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
Ah. So, he might be a doucebag, but at least he's consistently a douchebag.
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Obdicut Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:50:17pm |
re: #264 Firstinla
Ever heard these crazy guys?
As you can see, they're a lot of fun live.
Explicit and insane lyrics warning.
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:50:20pm |
[A man takes his Vietnam War veteran father back to Vietnam for a tour.]
"A lot of guys I went to basic with died in this place [the
Citadel in Hue city]," my father said. "A lot of guys. Guys who
joined up again. Guys who kept volunteering. All died right around
here." He shook his head.
"Like who?" I asked.
"You don't know them."
"Well, what were their names?"
He looked at me queerly. "What do you care?" This was said
with a brusque sort of inquisitiveness, not anger.
I got to my feet. "I'm sorry. You're right. Just morbid
curiosity."
My father--the abrupt smile on his face false to anyone who
knew him--turned to Hien [the guide]. "What do *you* think?"
Hien regarded his shoes, which looked like small leather noses
peeking out from beneath his blue slacks. "I think this is a special
place for many people."
My father said nothing and stood there in the wind, amid the
grass. When he closed his eyes, it almost looked as though he were
listening to someone.
-- Tom Bissell, The Father of All Things: A Marine, his son,
and the legacy of Vietnam, 2007
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celticdragon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:51:44pm |
re: #267 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, Rush. We know you like them better when they're shooting people, but sometimes the U.S. military has other grown-up work to do.
uh huh. Funny how an awful lot of other countries have started buying multi use amphibious warfare/command ships that can also be used for disaster relief and humanitarian missions.
For decades, the U.S. Navy has been built around its carrier battlegroups and amphibious ready groups: huge clusters of heavily armed warships, tailored for delivering massive firepower, in the form of airplanes or Marines. But for today’s “hybrid” wars, where winning over local populations is as important as killing the bad guys, these traditional naval groups aren’t necessarily the best things.
One top Navy admiral has proposed adding a third type of group, for “hearts and minds” missions. Adm. James Stavridis, most recently top dog in Latin America’s Southern Command, is on his way to take over European Command, and the post of NATO Supreme Commander. He has proposed new, Navy “Humanitarian Service Groups,” specifically for Latin America.
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celticdragon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:52:12pm |
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Obdicut Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:52:24pm |
re: #275 Dark_Falcon
Thank you. I read his medal of honor citation and was impressed as hell.
Also: I have a collection of some photos my grandfather took in the Pacific during WWII. Do you know who I would contact in the Army to see if they had any interest in them for archival reasons?
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:52:49pm |
re: #165 Firstinla
Hey look! You made the front page as you surely should. Enjoy having a comment in the "Top Comments" on the front page. Right where all the lurkers can be awed.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:53:38pm |
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:54:40pm |
re: #258 avanti
After my first tour off Vietnam in 1967, I decided I was not thrilled about going back as more than a few others did. By than, even my division officer had doubts and we talked often about the history of that country from WWII on. Too many mistakes made for decades, to end up just as the country would have in the 50's if we'd allowed elections to reunify the country, even knowing the bad Commies would win.
my brother in law was an Army grunt and did two tours and was stricken down with hepatitis half way through the third...he didn't care about history or politics...he just liked war and assumed he was on the right side...to this day he worships the friends he lost over there, especially those under his command... a born fighter, 66-69
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Kruk Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:55:37pm |
re: #273 albusteve
what high ground ees thees?
Heh. An old one, but still fun. Type "French Military Victories" into Google, and hit "I'm feeling lucky".
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andres Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:56:51pm |
re: #153 Van Helsing
$800bn in one bill that no one had read through. Rushed through, even though one of Obama's campaign points was bringing transparency back to the process.
Rushed through, then waited 3 (or was it 4) days to sign it?
Bush deficits sucked, but were chump change compared to what got rammed through the stimulus.
Explain to me, how the f**k can something be rushed if it's been under discussion for almost a f**king year!!!! If the Republican Congresspeople weren't bothered to cooperate, then it's their problem.
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celticdragon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:56:54pm |
re: #275 Dark_Falcon
The T-34/85 was a nasty piece of work. The only thing we had to really match it was the M26 Pershing, and perhaps the British A34 Comet.
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avanti Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:57:18pm |
re: #274 Gus 802
I was a child back then. However, I have mixed feelings about Vietnam. There were far too many "rules of engagement" hindering normal military operations. Too much politicalization of military ops. An unmotivated ARVN. Lack of interagency cooperation and poor inter-branch cooperation. The draft, conscription, etc.
Here's a thumb nail history of the way both sides saw the war. Given the climate back in the 50's, I get the concept of the domino theory, which did not turn out to be accurate. Vietnam is now a trading partner and even a tourist destination.
I often wonder how our history would have changed if we had allowed the elections to take place. A brief summary of the facts at the time.
"The Geneva partition was not a natural division of Vietnam and was not intended to create two separate countries. But the South government, with the support of the United States, blocked the Geneva scheduled elections for reunification. In the context of the Cold War, and with the recent Korean War as a precedent, the U.S. had feared that a reunified Vietnam would elect a Communist government under the popular Ho Chí Minh, either freely or by fraud.
South Vietnam and its Western allies portrayed the conflict as based in a principled opposition to communism to deter the expansion of Soviet-based control throughout Southeast Asia, and to set the tone for any likely future superpower conflicts. The North Vietnamese government and its Southern dissident allies (NLF) viewed the war as a struggle to reunite the country and to repel a foreign aggressor, a virtual continuation of the earlier war for independence against the French. "
In the end the country ended up just as we feared in the 50's but at a great cost.
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:57:25pm |
re: #286 Kruk
Heh. An old one, but still fun. Type "French Military Victories" into Google, and hit "I'm feeling lucky".
Hey, what about the Battle of the Rainbow Warrior?
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:57:35pm |
re: #46 recusancy
Meanwhile Beck thinks Obama is dividing the nation because he's reacting quickly to the Haiti disaster.
Huh? I don't think anyone but the crazy pundits objects.
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Bagua Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:58:27pm |
re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist
Huh? I don't think anyone but the crazy pundits objects.
Beck is an imbecile.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:58:53pm |
re: #274 Gus 802
I was a child back then. However, I have mixed feelings about Vietnam. There were far too many "rules of engagement" hindering normal military operations. Too much politicalization of military ops. An unmotivated ARVN. Lack of interagency cooperation and poor inter-branch cooperation. The draft, conscription, etc.
the donks fucked up the entire thing...almost ten years of ineptitude...lotta good men went down for nothing, it's all in the books and they cannot hide from it...when you consider dems for national security or war fighting, I have a long memory...they perped a huge tragedy on the America people...it nearly killed LBJ...and McNamara will burn in hell I hope
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The Left Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:59:44pm |
What the hell, we're over 100 comments and the discussion is on lots of items, so...
More wingnuts on pop culture! Over at one of Big Dumb Breitbart's Big Dumb websites, we find Michael Moriarty 'analysing' Casablanca. It's about commies!
Deconstructing Casablanca
If I’m right and Laszlo is a Communist – all Hollywood films being forever in the present moment of the beholder – then that explains the depth and breadth of this underground hero’s legendary reputation: the still existing, Worldwide Communist Intelligence Network. A machine that can help whisk its operatives anywhere in the world … even into the White House!
It is in not only this respect but many others as well that Humphrey Bogart’s Rick just … kind of … gets in the Communist’s way.
If we replace the symbolic meaning of Ingrid Bergman’s Ilsa with the American Feminist Movement and its indisputable allegiance to the Left … the increasingly Far and Obamatized Left these days … then, of course, Bogey was prophetic … and … if indeed Bogey was also a Lefty … an organically inevitable Progressive … Rick just had to send Ilsa off with Laszlo to “continue their work.”
I realise it reads like a joke, but he's serious. Link is to google cache, as I despise Brietbart.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Jan 15, 2010 7:59:57pm |
Shoutout Obdicut
Man were you right.
Devore is over the edge. My search continues.
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laZardo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:00:14pm |
re: #286 Kruk
Heh. An old one, but still fun. Type "French Military Victories" into Google, and hit "I'm feeling lucky".
Does "Miserable Failure" still work?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:00:39pm |
RightWingConspirator - are you here?
Listening to CNN -
the UN pulled it's doctors out of a make-shift hospital for 'security" reasons, leaving patients literally on operating tables.
Now Anderson Cooper is interviewing Lt. Gen. Russell Honore who is really giving them what-for for leaving . . . "just because people are poor, doesn't mean they're dangerous". Love that guy.
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Firstinla Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:01:04pm |
re: #282 Rightwingconspirator
I'm guessing this is good. I'm too new to grok everything that goes on at LGF. Is there a trophy that goes with this? May I make an acceptance speech? First, I like to thank...
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celticdragon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:01:44pm |
re: #286 Kruk
Heh. An old one, but still fun. Type "French Military Victories" into Google, and hit "I'm feeling lucky".
Ouch.
You have to wonder about a country whose two most successful military leaders were a monomaniacal Corsican midget (who was admittedly brilliant) and a teenage medieval girl (who was also brilliant and likely schizophrenic)
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prairiefire Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:01:45pm |
re: #289 avanti
I remember crying with relief when my teacher in 6th grade announced that Nixon had declared the war over. I have two younger brothers and I was always praying for it to end so they would not be drafted.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:01:49pm |
re: #298 reine.de.tout
Oh yeah I'm in the house. Changing channels as we type..
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Ojoe Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:02:22pm |
re: #297 laZardo
The French with great guts stopped the Germans in WW1 at the Marne.
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laZardo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:03:13pm |
re: #303 Ojoe
The French with great guts stopped the Germans in WW1 at the Marne.
And there's still the Resistance.
/'allo 'allo...
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Girth Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:03:23pm |
re: #295 iceweasel
What a douchebag. That's one of my favorite films.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:03:29pm |
re: #299 Firstinla
I'm guessing this is good. I'm too new to grok everything that goes on at LGF. Is there a trophy that goes with this? May I make an acceptance speech? First, I like to thank...
ha!....whatever...don't take any of it too seriously...Charles has a good thing going here but it's not the end of the world or the answer to anything...
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Escaped Hillbilly Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:03:34pm |
re: #295 iceweasel
Are you sure not an Onion article? Cause it would have been hilarious.
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SteveC Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:03:42pm |
re: #300 celticdragon
Ouch.
You have to wonder about a country whose two most successful military leaders were a monomaniacal Corsican midget (who was admittedly brilliant) and a teenage medieval girl (who was also brilliant and likely schizophrenic)
Dukakis and Palin?
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:03:44pm |
re: #276 Kruk
Ah. So, he might be a doucebag, but at least he's consistently a douchebag.
Why is Jeff Foxworthy in my head? You might be a douchebag if ...
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:03:50pm |
re: #299 Firstinla
No trophy just a lot of views on your comment. The top and bottom comments make the list based on dings...
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Kruk Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:04:27pm |
re: #297 laZardo
Does "Miserable Failure" still work?
Fraid not, but apparently Google wasn't 100 percent successfull in stopping such things. Someone linked "Clueless" to New Zealand Prime Minister John Key an year or so ago.
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The Left Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:04:34pm |
re: #307 Escaped Hillbilly
Are you sure not an Onion article? Cause it would have been hilarious.
Heh. I'm sure someone on the left has already savaged it. I'll see what I can find....
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Obdicut Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:04:46pm |
re: #296 Rightwingconspirator
Cool. Thank you for being the stand-up guy you are, doing the research, and going with your ethics. You have my respect.
Uncool that the search continues, of course. I actually have a friend I'm trying to convince to run for the state House-- he's a conservative, but he's socially liberal enough that I think he could potentially win as a Democrat. He's an utter financial pragmatist, and a good guy. But right now he's making about a million dollars a year and has four kids, so it's a little hard to get him to stop that to wallow in the muck of government.
He's exactly the kind of guy we need, though. He runs a small custom circuits company, and all of his employees, many of whom are ex-cons he gave a second shot to, would take a bullet for him. He hasn't ever have to lay off a man.
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celticdragon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:04:49pm |
re: #295 iceweasel
What the hell, we're over 100 comments and the discussion is on lots of items, so...
More wingnuts on pop culture! Over at one of Big Dumb Breitbart's Big Dumb websites, we find Michael Moriarty 'analysing' Casablanca. It's about commies!
Deconstructing CasablancaI realise it reads like a joke, but he's serious. Link is to google cache, as I despise Brietbart.
You have got to be fucking kidding.
Really.
Deconstructing Casablanca as communist propaganda? I feel like seriously punching whoever this asshat is. Casablanca is my hands down favorite movie of all time. Bogart is my leading man. Grrr!
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Firstinla Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:05:03pm |
re: #306 albusteve
Has to be one of the msot interesting places on the planet.
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:05:25pm |
re: #298 reine.de.tout
RightWingConspirator - are you here?
Listening to CNN -
the UN pulled it's doctors out of a make-shift hospital for 'security" reasons, leaving patients literally on operating tables.Now Anderson Cooper is interviewing Lt. Gen. Russell Honore who is really giving them what-for for leaving . . . "just because people are poor, doesn't mean they're dangerous". Love that guy.
Well they do have those 4000 prisoners running about.
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Ojoe Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:05:36pm |
Charles Martel ...
France has its share of great people
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celticdragon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:05:52pm |
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Obdicut Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:06:08pm |
re: #315 celticdragon
Pretending an anti-Fascist movie is a pro-Communist movie is just goddamn low.
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:06:14pm |
re: #295 iceweasel
What the hell, we're over 100 comments and the discussion is on lots of items, so...
More wingnuts on pop culture! Over at one of Big Dumb Breitbart's Big Dumb websites, we find Michael Moriarty 'analysing' Casablanca. It's about commies!
Deconstructing CasablancaI realise it reads like a joke, but he's serious. Link is to google cache, as I despise Brietbart.
Now that's crazy talk! Oh my God these guys never give up do they. I guess all of the Big Hollywood cultists will be burning their copies of Casablanca tonight.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:06:30pm |
re: #317 Firstinla
Has to be one of the msot interesting places on the planet.
maybe..it's what it is, a premier news blog...I welcome you
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celticdragon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:07:15pm |
re: #319 Ojoe
Charles Martel ...
France has its share of great people
Quite so. France has really well trained soldiers, and some of the best weapons on the planet.
They just seem to have a problem with finding decent leaders...
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:07:16pm |
re: #314 Obdicut
Well thank you very much. Kudos to your friend. Real people make all the difference. I wish I could help with your persuasion efforts.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:07:53pm |
re: #315 celticdragon
You have got to be fucking kidding.
Really.
Deconstructing Casablanca as communist propaganda? I feel like seriously punching whoever this asshat is. Casablanca is my hands down favorite movie of all time. Bogart is my leading man. Grrr!
Casablanca was written bu a Communist, if memory serves. But it was not a commie film, but rather a pro-Allied film that remains a true classic.
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stayfrosty Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:08:31pm |
Charles,
Think we can get a thread about the MA Senate race? Lots of interesting things happening there, and a few controversies/nontroversies. Coakley's lead has fallen after her performance in debates and as she's said things like "I'm not sure there is a way to succeed [in Afghanistan" and "[The terrorists] are gone. They're not there anymore." Most recently she said Catholics "probably shouldn't work in the emergency room" because they are pro-Life. And her support for the unpopular health bill hasn't helped her either.
If Brown (a fairly moderate Republican) somehow pulls out the win, it will have huge repercussions for a lot of Democratic policies working their way through Congress now, including health care. And it will be something nobody could have foreseen in such a liberal state.
Thanks
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:08:36pm |
re: #289 avanti
Here's a thumb nail history of the way both sides saw the war. Given the climate back in the 50's, I get the concept of the domino theory, which did not turn out to be accurate. Vietnam is now a trading partner and even a tourist destination.
I often wonder how our history would have changed if we had allowed the elections to take place. A brief summary of the facts at the time."The Geneva partition was not a natural division of Vietnam and was not intended to create two separate countries. But the South government, with the support of the United States, blocked the Geneva scheduled elections for reunification. In the context of the Cold War, and with the recent Korean War as a precedent, the U.S. had feared that a reunified Vietnam would elect a Communist government under the popular Ho Chí Minh, either freely or by fraud.
South Vietnam and its Western allies portrayed the conflict as based in a principled opposition to communism to deter the expansion of Soviet-based control throughout Southeast Asia, and to set the tone for any likely future superpower conflicts. The North Vietnamese government and its Southern dissident allies (NLF) viewed the war as a struggle to reunite the country and to repel a foreign aggressor, a virtual continuation of the earlier war for independence against the French. "
In the end the country ended up just as we feared in the 50's but at a great cost.
My opinion is that if the communist North had absorbed the South in the elections, then there would have been the same scene as in '75, only earlier. Boat people, re-education camps, a collectivized and thus ruined economy. And because Soviet and Maoist communism were at flood tide in those years, the red victory would have sparked further & more dangerous aggression elsewhere in the world.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:08:42pm |
re: #319 Ojoe
Charles Martel ...
France has its share of great people
oh sure...that was long before even toilet paper...people here don't even remember Viet Nam for gods sake
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Aye Pod Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:08:44pm |
re: #295 iceweasel
What the hell, we're over 100 comments and the discussion is on lots of items, so...
More wingnuts on pop culture! Over at one of Big Dumb Breitbart's Big Dumb websites, we find Michael Moriarty 'analysing' Casablanca. It's about commies!
I was thinking the same thing the other day about Beverly Hills Chihuahua./
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The Left Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:08:58pm |
re: #305 Girth
re: #322 Gus 802
re: #321 Obdicut
Pretending an anti-Fascist movie is a pro-Communist movie is just goddamn low.
re: #315 celticdragon
Agreed, with all. Casablanca is probably my all time fave movie too.
Apparently this Moriarty wanker has also 'analysed' It's A Wonderful Life and found it to be seekrit commie propaganda, or something.
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avanti Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:09:03pm |
re: #294 albusteve
the donks fucked up the entire thing...almost ten years of ineptitude...lotta good men went down for nothing, it's all in the books and they cannot hide from it...when you consider dems for national security or war fighting, I have a long memory...they perped a huge tragedy on the America people...it nearly killed LBJ...and McNamara will burn in hell I hope
I'll give you that, we never should have supported the French, nor got involved in the beginning. Once we got knee deep in the swamp we should have avoided, we lost the will to win.
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:09:40pm |
re: #321 Obdicut
Pretending an anti-Fascist movie is a pro-Communist movie is just goddamn low.
[Michael Moriarty = On]
You know who else was an anti-fascist communist don't you?
Franklin Roosevelt!111!111!!
[Michael Moriarty = Off]
//
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laZardo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:09:57pm |
re: #314 Obdicut
Cool. Thank you for being the stand-up guy you are, doing the research, and going with your ethics. You have my respect.
Uncool that the search continues, of course. I actually have a friend I'm trying to convince to run for the state House-- he's a conservative, but he's socially liberal enough that I think he could potentially win as a Democrat. He's an utter financial pragmatist, and a good guy. But right now he's making about a million dollars a year and has four kids, so it's a little hard to get him to stop that to wallow in the muck of government.
He's exactly the kind of guy we need, though. He runs a small custom circuits company, and all of his employees, many of whom are ex-cons he gave a second shot to, would take a bullet for him. He hasn't ever have to lay off a man.
No Greens?
/somebody, SOMEBODY has to knock McKinney off the top.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:11:03pm |
re: #315 celticdragon
You have got to be fucking kidding.
Really.
Deconstructing Casablanca as communist propaganda? I feel like seriously punching whoever this asshat is. Casablanca is my hands down favorite movie of all time. Bogart is my leading man. Grrr!
Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
[a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]
Croupier: Your winnings, sir.
Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
[aloud]
Captain Renault: Everybody out at once!
The best.
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recusancy Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:11:13pm |
re: #327 Dark_Falcon
Casablanca was written bu a Communist, if memory serves. But it was not a commie film, but rather a pro-Allied film that remains a true classic.
Jack Warner, head of Warner Brothers, had a love-hate relationship with the writing duo of the Epstein brothers. He could not argue with their commercial success, but he deplored their pranks, their work habits and the hours they kept. He consistently butted heads with the two. In 1952, Warner gave the brothers' names to the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC). They never testified before the committee, but on a HUAC questionairre, when asked if they ever were members of a "subversive organization," they wrote-in, "Yes. Warner Brothers."
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:11:22pm |
re: #334 avanti
I'll give you that, we never should have supported the French, nor got involved in the beginning. Once we got knee deep in the swamp we should have avoided, we lost the will to win.
the public that lost the will to win was not fighting the war...Cronkite lost the will to win, sitting in a fucking studio in NYC
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Ojoe Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:11:26pm |
re: #324 celticdragon
They just seem to have a problem with finding decent leaders...
Like us these days.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:11:44pm |
re: #288 celticdragon
The T-34/85 was a nasty piece of work. The only thing we had to really match it was the M26 Pershing, and perhaps the British A34 Comet.
Actually the M4E8 Shermans we fielded in Korea were quite successful vs. the T-34/85. The Pershing by contrast was really an overmatch versus the Soviet tank. It had the gun and armor of the German Tiger, thus to defeat it the T-34/85 required a significant numerical advantage, and this was not available to the Communist forces in Korea.
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Bagua Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:11:44pm |
re: #328 stayfrosty
Charles,
Most recently she said Catholics "probably shouldn't work in the emergency room" because they are pro-Life. And her support for the unpopular health bill hasn't helped her either.
Wow! That won't go over so well in Massachusetts, nearly half the population.
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Unakite Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:12:06pm |
re: #34 wozzablog
anyhoos.
just dropped in to apologize for the drive by dings on the last couple of threads.
Comment does, sometimes, take a holiday.
Night all
Hmm...I can just apologize and get some dings??
cool.
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jaunte Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:12:10pm |
re: #340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
[a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]
Croupier: Your winnings, sir.
Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
[aloud]
Captain Renault: Everybody out at once!The best.
and this one:
Captain Renault: What in heaven's name brought you to Casablanca?
Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
Captain Renault: The waters? What waters? We're in the desert.
Rick: I was misinformed.
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Escaped Hillbilly Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:12:38pm |
re: #331 albusteve
I remember it...my dad showed up one day out of the blue, got drunk, yelled at my mom, and disappeared again. Vietnam right?//
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Girth Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:12:43pm |
re: #333 iceweasel
re: #322 Gus 802
re: #321 Obdicut
re: #315 celticdragon
Agreed, with all. Casablanca is probably my all time fave movie too.
Apparently this Moriarty wanker has also 'analysed' It's A Wonderful Life and found it to be seekrit commie propaganda, or something.
George Bailey was community organizer.
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:12:59pm |
re: #333 iceweasel
re: #322 Gus 802
re: #321 Obdicut
re: #315 celticdragon
Agreed, with all. Casablanca is probably my all time fave movie too.
Apparently this Moriarty wanker has also 'analysed' It's A Wonderful Life and found it to be seekrit commie propaganda, or something.
Found this at his Wiki:
Like the collaborating Vichy government in France under the Nazis, America will surrender to laws and ideologies that contradict the American Constitution and the most simple Human Rights. The Supreme Court took a once individually free nation and corrupted it by the lie of Science that fetuses are, in their first two trimesters, no more than egg yolk. Ultimately, our American Intellectual Supremacists bought the "Population Problem," in the same way Europe fell under the thrall of the so-called "Jewish Problem."
He's on his fourth wife.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:13:11pm |
re: #294 albusteve
the donks fucked up the entire thing...almost ten years of ineptitude...lotta good men went down for nothing, it's all in the books and they cannot hide from it...when you consider dems for national security or war fighting, I have a long memory...they perped a huge tragedy on the America people...it nearly killed LBJ...and McNamara will burn in hell I hope
Yes we all also know how the Dems fucked up WW2, that's why we all now drive German cars and use Japanese computers after all!
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:13:17pm |
re: #344 Jimmah
[Video]
heh...your such a new wave punk...it's hard to dislike you but I've not given up!
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Obdicut Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:14:11pm |
re: #337 laZardo
The Greens were looking somewhat credible for awhile, but their insistence on focusing heavily on Palestine is relegating them to boringly predictable status. I also feel the Greens passed up many, many chances to draw greater attention to AGW in order to focus on things not related to true "Green" principles at all.
They may remake themselves, but until a lot changes, they're a bigger mess to me than the GOP, and that's saying something.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:14:14pm |
re: #333 iceweasel
re: #322 Gus 802
re: #321 Obdicut
re: #315 celticdragon
Agreed, with all. Casablanca is probably my all time fave movie too.
Apparently this Moriarty wanker has also 'analysed' It's A Wonderful Life and found it to be seekrit commie propaganda, or something.
Moriarty, eh? I don't suppose we can get Robert Downey Jr. and Jude Law to pound his ass, can we?
/refers to the new Sherlock Holmes movie
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What, me worry? Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:14:50pm |
re: #333 iceweasel
re: #322 Gus 802
re: #321 Obdicut
re: #315 celticdragon
Agreed, with all. Casablanca is probably my all time fave movie too.
Apparently this Moriarty wanker has also 'analysed' It's A Wonderful Life and found it to be seekrit commie propaganda, or something.
For real? Wow, does he see it as anti-capitalist?
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:14:57pm |
re: #352 jamesfirecat
Yes we all also know how the Dems fucked up WW2, that's why we all now drive German cars and use Japanese computers after all!
FDR was brilliant in those times...wtf are you talking about?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:15:13pm |
re: #348 jaunte
One of the most powerful scenes in any movie ever made.
Nazis. I hate Nazis.
-Indiana Jones
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:15:46pm |
re: #351 Gus 802
He's on his fourth wife.
Men in the grips of his kind of crazy can't keep a woman, IMO.
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Bagua Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:16:05pm |
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avanti Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:16:19pm |
re: #330 The Sanity Inspector
My opinion is that if the communist North had absorbed the South in the elections, then there would have been the same scene as in '75, only earlier. Boat people, re-education camps, a collectivized and thus ruined economy. And because Soviet and Maoist communism were at flood tide in those years, the red victory would have sparked further & more dangerous aggression elsewhere in the world.
Maybe, but much of that brutality was due to the long years of war between the North and South. Had the elections been held after the French left, there may have been fewer scores to settle. HO, had no great love for China at that time, he even feared them, but the war made them allies.
Hell, neither one of us know how it would have turned out, but I just feel we mismanaged the whole thing.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:18:00pm |
Ooh! Look! Shiny--->--->
ONION! WOO HOO!
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:18:14pm |
re: #357 albusteve
FDR was brilliant in those times...wtf are you talking about?
".when you consider dems for national security or war fighting, I have a long memory...they perped a huge tragedy on the America people...it nearly killed LBJ...and McNamara will burn in hell I hope"
I was just proving that if you really have a "long memory" you might want to consider the Dems history for war fighting and national security during periods other than Vietnam...
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Kruk Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:19:03pm |
re: #328 stayfrosty
Most recently she said Catholics "probably shouldn't work in the emergency room" because they are pro-Life.
That statement mightly be badly phrased, but if a Catholic's pro-life views interferes with them from delivering needed care in an emergency situation, then the last place they should be working in is an ER.
[Link: www.feministe.us...]
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:19:23pm |
re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
One of the most powerful scenes in any movie ever made.
Nazis. I hate Nazis.
-Indiana Jones
It does bear notice that the song the Germans are singing Der Wacht Am Rhein (The Watch on the Rhine) is a German patriotic song that predates the Nazis and is still sung today. Just a tidbit of historic info.
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albusteve Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:20:25pm |
re: #364 jamesfirecat
".when you consider dems for national security or war fighting, I have a long memory...they perped a huge tragedy on the America people...it nearly killed LBJ...and McNamara will burn in hell I hope"
I was just proving that if you really have a "long memory" you might want to consider the Dems history for war fighting and national security during periods other than Vietnam...
the two wars were hugely different...there is little comparison between the two
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SteveC Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:20:45pm |
re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
One of the most powerful scenes in any movie ever made.
Nazis. I hate Nazis.
-Indiana Jones
What's your plan, Indy?
I don't know, I'm making this up as I go along.
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Gus Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:20:46pm |
re: #333 iceweasel
re: #322 Gus 802
re: #321 Obdicut
re: #315 celticdragon
Agreed, with all. Casablanca is probably my all time fave movie too.
Apparently this Moriarty wanker has also 'analysed' It's A Wonderful Life and found it to be seekrit commie propaganda, or something.
More here!
Perhaps it’s genetic and, because I’m Irish-American, I’m sounding like Joseph McCarthy when he railed against Communism with his Un-American Activities Committee. Plus, with a name like Moriarty, given that’s the “handle” for the major villain in the World of Sherlock Holmes, I’m doubly cursed...
Now we have America hanging precipitously on the lip of a bottomless and deceptively tyrannical well called the Progressive New World Order.
The Soros/Obama/MSM/Hollywood/Chicago/New York/Far Left coalition would prefer that the Tea Partiers and 9/12ers and Fox News and Rupert Murdoch’s Counter-Revolutionary Empire sit silently by while the virtually Marxist New World Order is built!
Hmmmm, again!!
The Blue Dogs, however, those Democrats whose knees shake increasingly before they vote Obama Care into a fait accompli?
Blue Dogs have predecessors in Hollywood such as Gary Cooper, legendary stars who had discovered some of the political nightmares they were caught in … increasingly dark.
The first and most publicly challenged of the Hollywood Blue Dogs was Humphrey Bogart.
These Blue Dog Legends, seemingly poised in a kind of Swiss neutrality, were indeed carried by the Rhone River and frequently against their will, into the communes of legendary French Communism … now better known as the Objectives of the American Progressive New World Order.
Wow. What a nut.
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Van Helsing Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:21:53pm |
re: #287 andres
Explain to me, how the f**k can something be rushed if it's been under discussion for almost a f**king year!!! If the Republican Congresspeople weren't bothered to cooperate, then it's their problem.
The Stimulus bill. Was not under discussion for a fucking year. Signed into law less than a month after Obama's inauguration.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:22:40pm |
re: #123 Vambo
Also the thing about Sarah Palin being "able to carry a baby and think at the same time" - well, I guess there is no such thing as a mother who happens to be a liberal?
No. Liberals do not reproduce. That's why we have to recruit...
/Wait, that might be someone else.
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prairiefire Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:22:53pm |
re: #369 Gus 802
He looks like a meth head in some recent photos.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:22:58pm |
re: #337 laZardo
Hah! I do hope to have Lizards of various political persuasions watch California with me. I lean right so that's who I watch. Expect lots of links from me on California election stories and candidate sites. Lets thrash this out in LGF style.
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avanti Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:23:25pm |
re: #342 albusteve
the public that lost the will to win was not fighting the war...Cronkite lost the will to win, sitting in a fucking studio in NYC
BS, Cronkite may have accelerated the discontent about the war, but we already were looking for a honorable exit by than. Once over 60% of the public wanted out, the politicians were looking for the exit door.
Kent State, street protests and the like were a major factor, along with Cronkite.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:23:28pm |
re: #367 albusteve
the two wars were hugely different...there is little comparison between the two
But why do you feel that the Dem's fucking up one war ruins their reputation completely on the issue?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:23:30pm |
re: #124 WindUpBird
Difference is, we were pretty good at marginalizing our wackos. ANSWER doesn't run the Democratic party, neither does Code Pink. Which is how we elected a moderate Democrat president. We're still in Afghanistan, we're still in Iraq, and the far anti-war left still doesn't have much power.
The GOP needs to do the same. They need to stop demonizing McCain and lionizing Palin. I didn't vote for McCain, but I wouldn't have been rending my garments if he were president.
No Democratic candidate for president has ever been rejected because ANSWER wouldn't think they were radical enough.
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laZardo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:24:26pm |
re: #373 Rightwingconspirator
Hah! I do hope to have Lizards of various political persuasions watch California with me. I lean right so that's who I watch. Expect lots of links from me on California election stories and candidate sites. Lets thrash this out in LGF style.
I'm an absentee voter registered in Sacramento County, unfortunately. Nothing more than the big ones from here. ):
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:24:32pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:25:02pm |
re: #362 avanti
Maybe, but much of that brutality was due to the long years of war between the North and South. Had the elections been held after the French left, there may have been fewer scores to settle. HO, had no great love for China at that time, he even feared them, but the war made them allies.
Hell, neither one of us know how it would have turned out, but I just feel we mismanaged the whole thing.
Ho had been a communist since the Twenties, and wouldn't have treated the South's leadership any more gently than he did his own rivals in the North during the Fifties, when he consolidated his power. It may not have turned into Cambodia, but it wouldn't have been Switzerland, either.
The sad thing is that the crisis was probably beyond hope by the time it came into our laps. Thanks for your service, btw.
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SteveC Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:25:04pm |
the Objectives of the American Progressive New World Order.
Wait a minute! Who are those guys? Are they anything like the Zionist World Conspiracy?
Are they in our conference? How do we match up on the football field?
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:25:15pm |
re: #339 Racer X
Just showed this to Dragon_Lady who now claims to need eye bleach...
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laZardo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:26:08pm |
re: #380 SteveC
Wait a minute! Who are those guys? Are they anything like the Zionist World Conspiracy?
Are they in our conference? How do we match up on the football field?
Well, Israel does have universal health care, allows open gays to serve in the IDF, AND is the first country to construct a recharging infrastructure for electric vehicles. q:
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avanti Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:28:39pm |
re: #379 The Sanity Inspector
Ho had been a communist since the Twenties, and wouldn't have treated the South's leadership any more gently than he did his own rivals in the North during the Fifties, when he consolidated his power. It may not have turned into Cambodia, but it wouldn't have been Switzerland, either.
The sad thing is that the crisis was probably beyond hope by the time it came into our laps. Thanks for your service, btw.
I agree with most all of that, especially your last paragraph, and you're most welcome.
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Bagua Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:28:40pm |
re: #375 jamesfirecat
But why do you feel that the Dem's fucking up one war ruins their reputation completely on the issue?
Because is was a really big fuck up. Losing one war is one too many.
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SteveC Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:28:57pm |
re: #382 laZardo
Well, Israel does have universal health care, allows open gays to serve in the IDF, AND is the first country to construct a recharging infrastructure for electric vehicles. q:
Which proves SteveC truism number 4:
Israelis master various technologies for noble purposes; Palestinians blow stuff up.
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Bagua Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:31:17pm |
re: #382 laZardo
Well, Israel does have universal health care, allows open gays to serve in the IDF, AND is the first country to construct a recharging infrastructure for electric vehicles. q:
And it is famous for government corruption, red tape and waste. It's also a tiny country the size of New Jersey.
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Kruk Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:33:00pm |
re: #386 Bagua
And it is famous for government corruption, red tape and waste. It's also a tiny country the size of New Jersey.
A tiny country which is famous for kicking the ass of much larger countries.
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palomino Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:33:09pm |
re: #342 albusteve
You're oversimplifying with Cronkite as scapegoat. US casualties increased dramatically in 67-68. Tet may have been a victory for us, but it didn't look that way: the cost of 500 American dead each week wasn't one the public would support.
Massive student protests (which included a lot of potential draftees) were occurring in not-so-radical places. And the public was starting to get fed up with the LBJ's bullshit--this "credibility gap", along with growing casualties, is what really doomed the war.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:33:16pm |
re: #385 SteveC
Which proves SteveC truism number 4:
Israelis master various technologies for noble purposes; Palestinians blow stuff up.
The only shame about that comment is that I can only upding it once!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:35:37pm |
re: #388 palomino
I do not remember a thing about VietNam. Born in 62. Albusteve had a point earlier when he said people don't remember. Whole bunch of folks in my shoes on that one.
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celticdragon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:36:40pm |
re: #340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
[a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]
Croupier: Your winnings, sir.
Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
[aloud]
Captain Renault: Everybody out at once!The best.
None better.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:37:42pm |
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celticdragon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:39:05pm |
re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
One of the most powerful scenes in any movie ever made.
Nazis. I hate Nazis.
-Indiana Jones
I actually cry at that scene.
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prairiefire Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:39:48pm |
I remember. Lush green tropical jungles on everyone's new color tv sets. Sounds of the whumping chopper blades, shouting and bloody grunts on gurneys.
But then, I asked my grandma for a subscription to TIME when I was 10, so I'm a bit of a socio geek.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:41:08pm |
re: #146 iceweasel
Limbaugh does have a troubling history of mainstreaming a lot of eliminationist rhetoric against the left as well. "Liberals are destroying America" kind of thinking. He was one of the prime movers helping to get that kind of rhetoric into the discourse since the 90's. It was worse when he did it, precisely because he wasn't a stormfront type.
But he, and the mainstreaming of that kind of rhetoric, is one of the reasons why we now see people commenting in places like HotAir and Free Republic and RedState who genuinely believe they need a civil war against Americans who don't share their particular views.
Haven't been a regular listener in years, but I used to listen to lots of rightwing radio, particularly Limbaugh.
I used to have to listen to Limbaugh every morning. I was working for my father, and living at home, and he would listen to Rush all the way to work, and yell at him about how he was destroying America. A couple of times I tried to get out of the car at lights.
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laZardo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:41:33pm |
re: #387 Kruk
A tiny country which is famous for kicking the ass of much larger countries.
It's too bad that Iron Dome bit is only missiles and not "lasers."
/bwahahaha
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celticdragon Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:42:10pm |
re: #355 Dark_Falcon
Moriarty, eh? I don't suppose we can get Robert Downey Jr. and Jude Law to pound his ass, can we?
/refers to the new Sherlock Holmes movie
Throw him off the Reichenbach Falls...
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Vambo Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:42:37pm |
re: #369 Gus 802
Wow. What a nut.
I like how "mainstream media" and "Rupert Murdoch" are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
d e l u s i o n a l
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simoom Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:47:28pm |
re: #346 Bagua
Wow! That won't go over so well in Massachusetts, nearly half the population.
Mediamatters transcription/excerpt from the WBSM radio interview:
PITTMAN: Right, if you are a Catholic, and you believe what the Pope teaches, you know, that any form of birth control is a sin. And you don't want to do that, that --COAKLEY: No, but we have a seperation of church and state here, Ken, let's be clear.
PITTMAN: Yeah, but in the emergency room you still have your religious freedom.
COAKLEY: The law says that people are allowed to have that. And so, then, if you -- you can have religious freedom, you probably shouldn't work in the emergency room.
PITTMAN: Wow. OK, so if you have religious conviction, stay out of the emergency room.
COAKLEY: Well, no, I'm not -- look, you're -- you're the one who brought the question up. I don't believe that the law allows for that, and I know that we accommodate all kinds of differences all the time. I think Roe vs. Wade has made it clear that women have a right to choose, and in Massachusetts, particularly if someone has been the victim of a rape, an assault, and she goes to an emergency room to get contraception, someone else should say, "Oh, no, I don't believe in this, so I'm going to affect your constitutional rights?"
PITTMAN: I agree that you've gotta have some balance there.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:47:34pm |
re: #198 Obdicut
If you ever visit San Francisco, I'd love it if you let me know. It would be an honor to show off the Presidio to you, including the cemetery where my grandfather is buried.
Your grandad is buried at the Presidio? Major respect. That is a lovely cemetery there.
(And for those of you not from My City By The Bay, the military cemetery at the Presidio is the only one is SF. Civilians gotta be buried in our bedroom-suburb necropolis of Colma.)
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:48:05pm |
re: #384 Bagua
Because is was a really big fuck up. Losing one war is one too many.
Funny, because nothing Bush has done in Iraq or Afghanistan seemed to have hurt the Republicans rep on those issues, not to mention it was Nixon who finally threw in the towel....
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:48:42pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:49:59pm |
re: #217 marjoriemoon
You got 3000 Jews voting for Pat Buchanan. Oh nothing wrong with that election, no...
Elderly Jews in Florida are rabid right-wingers. Just ask Sarah Silverman.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:50:37pm |
re: #403 SanFranciscoZionist
First I've heard of it.
Here you go then... [Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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Obdicut Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:50:53pm |
re: #401 SanFranciscoZionist
Yep. Captain Donald Joseph. Jewish veteran of WWII, signed up to fight Hitler so of course they sent him to the South Pacific.
Got engaged to my grandmother right before he left and married her the day he got back.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 15, 2010 8:53:25pm |
re: #406 Obdicut
Yep. Captain Donald Joseph. Jewish veteran of WWII, signed up to fight Hitler so of course they sent him to the South Pacific.
Got engaged to my grandmother right before he left and married her the day he got back.
May his memory be for a blessing.
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stayfrosty Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:01:07pm |
New York Post: Unions nab sweetheart health-care deal
Big Labor got some big love from President Obama and congressional Democrats yesterday after they agreed to exempt union workers from the whopping “Cadillac tax” on high-cost health-care plans until 2018.
The sweetheart deal, hammered out behind closed doors, will save union employees at least $60 billion over the years involved, while others won't be as lucky -- they'll have to cough up almost $90 billion.
The 40 percent excise tax on what have come to be called "Cadillac" health-care plans would exempt collective-bargaining contracts covering government employees and other union members until Jan. 1, 2018.
Does anyone else find this absolutely outrageous? Two Americans with the exact same health benefits, one of which is going to see their benefits taxed at 40%, while the other won't simply because he or she is a member of a labor union, which everyone knows are some of the biggest donors to the Democratic party.
I thought Mark Levin hit the nail on the head yesterday (self-transcribed from the podcast):
So, the labor bosses go into the White House, they negotiate for two or three days, and they get a $60bn payoff. Sixty billion dollars! And on top of that, they create two types of citizens: One citizen who's a member of a labor union, who has a very comprehensive healthcare system, he'll continue--or she--to get it because it won't be taxed at 40%; Another citizen who does the same job across the street, but is not a member of the SEIU or the AFL-CIO, generally, their same exact health benefits--or close to it--will be taxed at 40%. Why? Because that citizen is not part of an organization that supports Barack Obama. If this isn't corruption on a grand scale, I don't know what is.
I know Levin can be a bit over the top sometimes, but he has a very valid point here. Most Americans are not part of a labor union, yet the unions, because they are big donors to the very people writing this legislation, can go have a private meeting and hammer out a special deal to exempt themselves from taxes that will apply uniformly to the rest of us. Sound fair?
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Olsonist Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:05:00pm |
re: #406 Obdicut
My uncle was in the Army and didn't really want to go to Viet Nam. So he volunteered for it and they sent him to Korea. He played a lot of Go with the locals.
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stayfrosty Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:05:28pm |
re: #400 simoom
She's setting up a straw man in my humble opinion. Nobody said that a Catholic working in an emergency room should be allowed to prevent a patient from procuring an abortion there. The question was whether or not the Catholic nurse/doctor can be forced to perform the abortion personally. And answering that question, she seemed to imply the Catholic shouldn't be working there otherwise. Her follow-up statement was an answer to an entirely different question.
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sagehen Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:12:58pm |
re: #380 SteveC
Wait a minute! Who are those guys? Are they anything like the Zionist World Conspiracy?
Are they in our conference? How do we match up on the football field?
Jews don't play football (high school games are Friday night, college games are Saturday afternoon).
Let's make it mixed martial arts instead, I'm pretty sure the Zionists can beat the Progressives (especially if we get first pick of the contestants who qualify for both teams).
Or chess.
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simoom Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:15:27pm |
re: #410 stayfrosty
The way I'd paraphrase it, based on my reading, is something like, "If your religious convictions are going to prevent you from following the law you should probably find another line of work." They were discussing whether or not she was in favor of codifying some sort of federal conscience clause into HCR.
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tradewind Fri, Jan 15, 2010 9:52:25pm |
re: #124 WindUpBird
Maybe not now after two consecutive Presidential-election losses, but Moveon.mbat still says ' We Bought It We Own It' re the Democrats.
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sevenpopes Sat, Jan 16, 2010 4:15:20am |
re: #290 Gus 802
Hey, what about the Battle of the Rainbow Warrior?
//
Granpa said WWII was a chance for French women to sleep with victors that didn't call them"fraulien"
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gandalf.il Sat, Jan 16, 2010 5:21:34pm |
re: #46 recusancy
Vile. I hope if he is ever in need, he will not have to ask his likes for help.
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Bulldoglover100 Sun, Jan 17, 2010 5:13:40am |
re: #402 jamesfirecat
re: #384 Bagua
Funny, because nothing Bush has done in Iraq or Afghanistan seemed to have hurt the Republicans rep on those issues, not to mention it was Nixon who finally threw in the towel...
Really? You think "nothing" Bush did regarding the lied about war "hurt" the GOP? What fuzzy reality do you live in?
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