Video: How Can There Be Global Warming When It’s Snowing Outside?

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One of the most maddeningly ignorant talking points of the deniers is that cold temperatures prove there’s no such thing as global warming. I received two emails today parroting this silliness (example: “record cold temperatures all over Europe and you still believe in your global warming cult? Idiot! Moron! Hahahaha!” … etc.)

So I was glad to see a new video posted by environmentalist Peter Sinclair, ripping this stupid meme to shreds.

(No refutation will ever stop deniers from recycling this talking point, though, because they’re never going to be convinced by sneaky tricks like science, logic, and facts.)

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616 comments
1 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:18:53pm

Eat Facts, Deniers!

2 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:21:46pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Eat Facts, Deniers!

They'd rather shovel bull shit, methinks.
/:/

3 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:22:08pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

I saw this video this morning, Sinclair is brilliant but I watched a rebuttal to one of his videos and it kind of damaged his credibility in my eyes.

4 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:22:56pm

re: #3 YoungLibertarian92

I saw this video this morning, Sinclair is brilliant but I watched a rebuttal to one of his videos and it kind of damaged his credibility in my eyes.

Linky?

5 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:23:16pm

it's the dots!...
get away from the dots!

6 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:23:54pm

re: #5 albusteve

it's the dots!...
get away from the dots!

First trees, now dots???
/:)

7 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:24:00pm

re: #2 Varek Raith
What they're shoveling is snow.

8 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:24:26pm

re: #4 Varek Raith

Linky Link 1
2

9 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:25:19pm

something tells me the deniers are gonna win this round

10 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:25:35pm

re: #5 albusteve

it's the dots!...
get away from the dots!

You're an anti-Pac Manist!

11 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:25:56pm

re: #8 YoungLibertarian92

Linky Link 1
2

Dude, that guy got blocked from LGF. He went on to slam Charles on one of his other blogs. He's a hack for CEI. Don't think you want to be posting him here.

12 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:26:22pm

There is no global warming.

What there is is climate change, which may produce anomalies in either direction - hotter or colder.

Still doesn't mean that those who believe that the thing to believe is to believe that humanity in the aggregate can do anything effective to "control the world's climate" get anything more than disbelief from me.

13 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:26:37pm

re: #8 YoungLibertarian92
Proxies!! Yeah, that's it!!

14 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:26:42pm

re: #9 albusteve

something tells me the deniers are gonna win this round

Do you mean the deniers will win in this thread's discussion or they'll win the whole "it's snowing, therefore global warming is a hoax" argument.

15 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:26:51pm

re: #5 albusteve

it's the dots!...
get away from the dots!

Those aren't dots...

My, God! It's full of stars!

16 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:27:28pm

It's feeling kind of Frosty in here.

17 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:27:30pm

re: #11 Gus 802

Why was he blocked?

18 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:27:45pm

re: #9 albusteve
You be dreamin'.

19 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:28:05pm

re: #17 YoungLibertarian92

Why was he blocked?

I forgot.

20 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:28:43pm

re: #13 tradewind

Proxies!! Yeah, that's it!!

I'm confused. Do you mean the proxy data debunks the theory of anthropogenic climate change?

21 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:28:56pm

Last week it was in the teens, this week it's in the 40's. Therefore, the globe is warming.

Sound silly? It is. This is the opposite of what a lot of deniers are basically saying.

22 tradewind  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:29:40pm

re: #20 YoungLibertarian92
No.
I mean, ' Proxies!! Yeah, that's it!! '

23 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:30:02pm

re: #19 Gus 802

I like Lee Doren's videos. I think he knows a lot about economics. He only got a job at CEI because of his video series debunking the "Story of Stuff". He does the drudge work there.

I applied for an internship at CEI but I didn't get it. :(

24 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:30:20pm

re: #12 Cato the Elder

There is no global warming.

What there is is climate change, which may produce anomalies in either direction - hotter or colder.

Still doesn't mean that those who believe that the thing to believe is to believe that humanity in the aggregate can do anything effective to "control the world's climate" get anything more than disbelief from me.

Umm the part about "that those who believe that the thing to believe is to believe that humanity" has me spinning in circles, is this some kind of logical puzzle?

25 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:30:30pm

re: #17 YoungLibertarian92

Why was he blocked?

He spouted a whole bunch of Denier crap about AGW, and then wouldn't back it up. When he got called on that, he reacted with butthurt hostility.

26 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:30:48pm

Got a Cold Cold Feeling

27 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:30:50pm

re: #14 YoungLibertarian92

Do you mean the deniers will win in this thread's discussion or they'll win the whole "it's snowing, therefore global warming is a hoax" argument.

yes

28 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:31:32pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

He spouted a whole bunch of Denier crap about AGW, and then wouldn't back it up. When he got called on that, he reacted with butthurt hostility.

Translation: He spewed bullshit without evidence. Instead of backing up his claims, he spewed vitriol.

29 [deleted]  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:32:40pm
30 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:33:02pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

Err, not that Dark_Falcon needs translation...:)

31 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:33:08pm

re: #21 Varek Raith

Last week it was in the teens, this week it's in the 40's. Therefore, the globe is warming.

Sound silly? It is. This is the opposite of what a lot of deniers are basically saying.

Also, no money has ever given birth to a human baby.

32 Palmer_Eldritch  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:33:37pm

Great video! We need more ammunition to shoot down the AGW deniers.

33 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:33:40pm

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, no money has ever given birth to a human baby.

PIMNF--MONKEY

34 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:34:14pm

re: #32 Palmer_Eldritch
Why? Will they not be proven wrong in the fullness of time?

35 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:34:33pm

we should do whatever we can, within reason, to curb CO2 emissions...altering the climate to our favor is folly beyond that...the will is just not there, world wide

36 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:34:34pm

re: #24 jamesfirecat

Umm the part about "that those who believe that the thing to believe is to believe that humanity" has me spinning in circles, is this some kind of logical puzzle?

No, just gratuitous rhetorical pyrotechnics.

37 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:35:01pm

re: #29 YoungLibertarian92

You know, I hate to say this, you've been causing my Spider Sense to go outta whack...

38 jaunte  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:35:05pm

re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks, I was giving that money --> baby process a ponder.

39 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:35:43pm

I'm very confused but I'm not a denier. Greenhouse gases by definition are supposed to be warm so how can they be causing temperatures to randomly fluctuate?

40 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:35:52pm

re: #29 YoungLibertarian92

This guy can predict the future. He knew we'd be talking about this!

Last warning. You're pushing your luck.

41 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:36:22pm

re: #37 Varek Raith

I forgot to add the sarcastic /.

42 jaunte  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:36:25pm

re: #39 YoungLibertarian92

Not.

43 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:36:33pm

re: #39 YoungLibertarian92

Err...it's winter?

44 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:37:06pm

re: #36 Cato the Elder

No, just gratuitous rhetorical pyrotechnics.

Yeah I think your brain might have shifted into cruse control at that point and you just kept typing "believe" over and over again...

Not trying to insult you I've done it myself when I can think of two words that both fit the situation like "caught and "catches" and end up typing "character X caught catches item Y" without realizing it. Though they're often a bit more dramatic than that like "character X raised held up item Y"

45 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:37:26pm

re: #41 YoungLibertarian92

I forgot to add the sarcastic /.

Don't do it. Don't fall for the / convention.

Let your sarcasm speak for itself. Otherwise it's not worth the irony you put into it.

46 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:38:09pm

re: #45 Cato the Elder

Don't do it. Don't fall for the / convention.

Let your sarcasm speak for itself. Otherwise it's not worth the irony you put into it.

Unless, of course, he meant no irony...

47 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:38:20pm

re: #45 Cato the Elder

Don't do it. Don't fall for the / convention.

Let your sarcasm speak for itself. Otherwise it's not worth the irony you put into it.

But this is the internet where we can't hear the inflection with which people speak or hear them wink, hence Poe's law....

48 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:38:44pm

re: #44 jamesfirecat

No. It was completely intentional.

Whether it worked is another matter, but I save mental cruise control for talking to relatives.

49 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:38:46pm

re: #37 Varek Raith

You know, I hate to say this, you've been causing my Spider Sense to go outta whack...

Blatantly obvious, as they say.

50 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:39:02pm

re: #40 Gus 802

Last warning. You're pushing your luck.

why?...

51 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:39:24pm

re: #40 Gus 802

Sorry Gus.

52 Silvergirl  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:39:26pm

Is this article anything like "How can I be overdrawn when I still have checks?"

Pondering.

53 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:39:38pm

re: #37 Varek Raith

You know, I hate to say this, you've been causing my Spider Sense to go outta whack...

He set my alarms off last night too. I'm going to check on something now...

54 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:39:51pm

You guys are just figuring it out, eh?

55 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:40:09pm

re: #47 jamesfirecat

But this is the internet where we can't hear the inflection with which people speak or hear them wink, hence Poe's law...

Poe, Shmoe. I come from Baltimore.

Your inflections have to come through in your writing. Emoticons and sarc tags are a sign of mental capitulation before the written word.

56 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:40:21pm

re: #45 Cato the Elder

Don't do it. Don't fall for the / convention.

Let your sarcasm speak for itself. Otherwise it's not worth the irony you put into it.

agreed...I've never used that stupid tag

57 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:40:42pm

re: #50 albusteve

why?...

He linked to an antagonist, Lee Doren at Right Wing News.

58 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:40:50pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

You guys are just figuring it out, eh?

Nah, look at my comments on the first thread he posted on. Raised a red flag with the first post.

59 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:41:24pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

Poe, Shmoe. I come from Baltimore.

Your inflections have to come through in your writing. Emoticons and sarc tags are a sign of mental capitulation before the written word.

Well I'm new here and I've never been very good at reading people so I tend to err on the side of caution, after all we're all friends here, more or less...

60 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:41:54pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

Poe, Shmoe. I come from Baltimore.

Your inflections have to come through in your writing. Emoticons and sarc tags are a sign of mental capitulation before the written word.

heh...I was waiting for that, and it's been a long wait indeed

61 Silvergirl  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:42:17pm

re: #56 albusteve

agreed...I've never used that stupid tag

Some people have received stern rebukes for leaving it off.

62 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:42:34pm

re: #57 Gus 802

He linked to an antagonist, Lee Doren at Right Wing News.

oooo!...BURN HIM!

63 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:43:05pm

I'm off tomorrow for Martin Luther King Day and I want to say how thankful I am for King's work and sacrifice for all Americans. I hope Charles has the time to post some kind of tribute tomorrow.

64 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:43:10pm

re: #61 Silvergirl

Some people have received stern rebukes for leaving it off.

I'm one of them.

Sternly rebuke this!

65 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:43:15pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

Poe, Shmoe. I come from Baltimore.

Your inflections have to come through in your writing. Emoticons and sarc tags are a sign of mental capitulation before the written word.

They're way easier than dealing with people constantly misinterpreting what you're saying.

But, that's just me.

66 Silvergirl  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:43:17pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

Poe, Shmoe. I come from Baltimore.

Your inflections have to come through in your writing. Emoticons and sarc tags are a sign of mental capitulation before the written word.

I use a smiley sometimes because I would rather offend the written word than a person.

67 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:43:31pm

re: #61 Silvergirl

Some people have received stern rebukes for leaving it off.

Like I just did.

68 Silvergirl  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:43:40pm

re: #64 Cato the Elder

I'm one of them.

Sternly rebuke this!

Hahaha!

69 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:43:44pm

re: #61 Silvergirl

Some people have received stern rebukes for leaving it off.

you pays your money, you take your chances

70 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:44:14pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

I would drink a Natty Boh for you if I had one, but I'm drinking Stella tonight. (and not in bed)

71 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:44:18pm

re: #62 albusteve

ooo!...BURN HIM!

No, that's not the problem, the question is are we being had.

72 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:44:29pm

re: #62 albusteve

ooo!...BURN HIM!

Does it look like I'm burning him? Frankly I've been going rather easy on him.

73 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:44:33pm

re: #64 Cato the Elder

I'm one of them.

Sternly rebuke this!

Am I supposed to cast some kinda spell?

74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:44:41pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

Poe, Shmoe. I come from Baltimore.

Your inflections have to come through in your writing. Emoticons and sarc tags are a sign of mental capitulation before the written word.

t("t)
/

75 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:46:06pm

re: #71 Bagua

It'd be pretty pathetic of me to stay on this long just to troll. I actually like reading LGF and discussing politics with you guys. No joke!

76 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:46:10pm

Within an otherwise heartbreaching article I found this little snippet which is at once hilarious and terribly sad.

At the Vieux Marche, police tried to disperse looters by driving trucks through the crowds, as hundreds scrambled over partly destroyed shops grabbing anything they could. As he ran from the scene with a big box of tampons, Love Zedouni shouted: "I've got no idea what this is, but I'm sure you can sell it."

77 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:46:23pm

re: #71 Bagua

No, that's not the problem, the question is are we being had.

I dunno...all point of view are welcome imo...without some veiled threat attached

78 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:46:39pm

re: #63 Mad Al-Jaffee

Agreed. We're a better nation because of his work.

79 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:46:58pm

re: #65 Varek Raith

They're way easier than dealing with people constantly misinterpreting what you're saying.

But, that's just me.

I like when people misunderstand what I'm saying. It gives me a chance to 'splain myself.

80 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:47:30pm

re: #79 Cato the Elder

I like when people misunderstand what I'm saying. It gives me a chance to 'splain myself.

Ah, I see. Well, then, carry on!

81 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:47:46pm

re: #79 Cato the Elder

I like when people misunderstand what I'm saying. It gives me a chance to 'splain myself.

chatterbox...so what exactly do you mean?

82 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:48:55pm

re: #79 Cato the Elder

did you dig your drive across the desert?.....did NM impress you?

83 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:48:55pm

re: #81 albusteve

chatterbox...so what exactly do you mean?

Exactly what I say. If you don't get it, ask.

84 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:49:32pm

Maybe I'd better just go for tonight. I'll come back tomorrow.

85 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:49:38pm

re: #82 albusteve

did you dig your drive across the desert?...did NM impress you?

Not only did NM make a big impression - I would move there in a heartbeat!

86 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:50:48pm

re: #85 Cato the Elder

Haven't done NM, but did do Ariz and loved it. Just stunning.

87 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:50:54pm

re: #75 YoungLibertarian92

It'd be pretty pathetic of me to stay on this long just to troll. I actually like reading LGF and discussing politics with you guys. No joke!

Indeed.

88 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:51:06pm

re: #85 Cato the Elder

Not only did NM make a big impression - I would move there in a heartbeat!

Does your Bondesque car have stinger missiles behind headlights?

89 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:51:40pm

re: #75 YoungLibertarian92

It'd be pretty pathetic of me to stay on this long just to troll. I actually like reading LGF and discussing politics with you guys. No joke!

Yes, it would be. But that has happened before. I like most of what you say, but at this point I think that Charles should have you a going over with his collator tool. That would likely determine the truth. I still want to believe you are who you say you are, but I do think that verification is in order. I don't expect something bad to come back, of course.

90 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:51:45pm

re: #85 Cato the Elder

Not only did NM make a big impression - I would move there in a heartbeat!

I wanted to have you buy my lunch, but I didn't catch it in time...seriously NM is pretty cool, on several levels...I'm glad you enjoyed it out here

91 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:51:56pm

Can I just say that it's great to have online access again?!?!

92 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:52:14pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

Does your Bondesque car have stinger missiles behind headlights?

Of course. They come standard.

The bitch is the cost of replenishing 'em.

93 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:52:41pm
I think that Charles should have you a going over with his collator tool

What's that?

94 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:52:43pm

re: #92 Cato the Elder

Of course. They come standard.

The bitch is the cost of replenishing 'em.

How about an ejector seat? Have you ever used to get out of a date you didn't like?

95 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:53:16pm

re: #91 Irenicum

Can I just say that it's great to have online access again?!?!

We just can't survive in the wild without the internet. Just how the hell am I supposed to google 'survival skills' without it?!

96 Silvergirl  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:53:44pm

re: #85 Cato the Elder

Not only did NM make a big impression - I would move there in a heartbeat!

Where? Taos?

97 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:54:10pm

re: #93 YoungLibertarian92

I'm not sure, but it's hard to sit down for a while after the procedure.

98 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:54:33pm

re: #97 Irenicum

Haha!

99 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:55:05pm

re: #94 jamesfirecat

How about an ejector seat? Have you ever used to get out of a date you didn't like?

Bond doesn't date the wrong girl! Well, there was that one 'movie' in which he was married....

100 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:55:14pm

I keep losing Karma points but I can't figure out which comment it was. I don't see anything here.

101 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:55:43pm

re: #95 Varek Raith

lol! Seriously, it's amazing how dependent we've all become on the internetz!

102 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:56:46pm

re: #101 Irenicum

Not really. People where dependent on books and newspapers for hundreds of years, then the radio for about 50, then the TV and microwaves. It was bound to happen.

103 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:57:38pm

re: #90 albusteve

I wanted to have you buy my lunch, but I didn't catch it in time...seriously NM is pretty cool, on several levels...I'm glad you enjoyed it out here

NM is steeped in the Catholic faith here...a very rich, colorful and interesting history...from the Penitentes to the Pueblo churches...the state is flooded with accompanying folk art...I'd take you around bro....we'd both learn something

104 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:58:59pm

re: #94 jamesfirecat

How about an ejector seat? Have you ever used to get out of a date you didn't like?

No. I have an iPhone with a "fake caller" app.

Works like this. You're sitting in the restaurant when she hands you an ordinary quartz crystal and tells you the "negative ions" it produces will shield you against all ills, including Russian ex-KGB agents.

So you say "excuse me" and start the fake caller program. Two clicks, and you set the fake call for two or five minutes or however long you think you can stand hanging around. Then you casually put the phone on the table.

Two or five minutes later, your phone goes off, and you say, "Mom? Is that you? REALLY?! OK, I'll be there in twenty minutes." Hang up, say "that was my mom, I gotta go - could you get the check?"

And you're outtie.

Done it only once or twice, but it's a lifesaver.

105 albusteve  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:59:02pm

re: #96 Silvergirl

Where? Taos?

no way to make a living in Taos...it's a small village

106 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 9:59:24pm

re: #100 YoungLibertarian92

I keep losing Karma points but I can't figure out which comment it was. I don't see anything here.

Leaky Karma Syndrome is akin to Leaky Bowel Syndrome.

In either case, it's not a good sign.

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:00:18pm

re: #104 Cato the Elder

No. I have an iPhone with a "fake caller" app.

Works like this. You're sitting in the restaurant when she hands you an ordinary quartz crystal and tells you the "negative ions" it produces will shield you against all ills, including Russian ex-KGB agents.

So you say "excuse me" and start the fake caller program. Two clicks, and you set the fake call for two or five minutes or however long you think you can stand hanging around. Then you casually put the phone on the table.

Two or five minutes later, your phone goes off, and you say, "Mom? Is that you? REALLY?! OK, I'll be there in twenty minutes." Hang up, say "that was my mom, I gotta go - could you get the check?"

And you're outtie.

Done it only once or twice, but it's a lifesaver.

You let a girl go who offered you a crystal that could protect you against ex-KGB agents on your first date? Dude.

108 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:01:07pm

All of these Nexus ads are giving me the wants.

If only I didn't already have an iPhone.

109 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:01:13pm

re: #100 YoungLibertarian92

I keep losing Karma points but I can't figure out which comment it was. I don't see anything here.


Stop Dave, I'm Afraid

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110 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:01:16pm

re: #102 YoungLibertarian92
How young is YoungLibertarian? We were never reliant on newspapers and radio to do all the stuff computers now do for us nor were they as omnipresent in our culture. And TV was 3 lousy channels (possibly 5) until about 30 years ago. Microwaves? When were we reliant on those?

111 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:01:22pm

re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist

You let a girl go who offered you a crystal that could protect you against ex-KGB agents on your first date? Dude.

Of course I kept the crystal. You never know.

112 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:01:28pm

re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist

You let a girl go who offered you a crystal that could protect you against ex-KGB agents on your first date? Dude.

Obviously. Hold out for the crystal that protects against the ex-KGB agents and the bug-eyed mucus drooling aliens.

Gotta have high standards.

113 Silvergirl  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:01:46pm

re: #105 albusteve

no way to make a living in Taos...it's a small village

Unless you're in tourism.

114 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:01:48pm

re: #100 YoungLibertarian92

I keep losing Karma points but I can't figure out which comment it was. I don't see anything here.

you got downdinged six times for the comment you made where you said you thought Obama was working off of the Cloward-Piven blueprint. I used to think that, but I've come to conclude that Obama's actual strategy is far more Fabian.

115 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:01:57pm

re: #109 Bagua

Major upding and favoriting for the 2001 reference! Thank you!

116 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:02:59pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Oh, ok. Thanks DF!

117 froggy000  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:03:31pm

Alarmists in 6 months (not sarcastically):

"How can there NOT be global warming when it's hot outside?"

118 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:03:42pm

re: #110 Escaped Hillbilly

How young is YoungLibertarian? We were never reliant on newspapers and radio to do all the stuff computers now do for us nor were they as omnipresent in our culture. And TV was 3 lousy channels (possibly 5) until about 30 years ago. Microwaves? When were we reliant on those?

He has said he was born in 1992. Which would likely make him 17. That would also make him the youngest lizard I can remember. Most of us are north of 30.

119 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:04:00pm

re: #116 YoungLibertarian92

Have you been registered here before?

120 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:04:02pm

re: #102 YoungLibertarian92

Yeah, those 'microwaves' really determined my thinking. Hearing Rush through my tooth fillings really sucked!

121 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:04:54pm

re: #119 Killgore Trout

No.

122 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:04:57pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Golly! 17? Well, I'll try to be understanding then.

123 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:06:20pm

re: #122 Escaped Hillbilly

Golly! 17? Well, I'll try to be understanding then.

Hey, I gave YL a rough test yesterday, and he passed it with bravura.

I think he's legit.

124 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:07:31pm

re: #122 Escaped Hillbilly

Golly! 17? Well, I'll try to be understanding then.

Me too. He's far more articulate than I was at 17.

125 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:07:37pm

re: #123 Cato the Elder

Hey, I gave YL a rough test yesterday, and he passed it with bravura.

I think he's legit.

Uh, there was no sarc tag and none was intended. Both my Soldiers and my son are in his age range and are just as likely to think that way. Its not the first time I've heard such, just didn't expect it here.

126 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:08:07pm

Voila

Youtube Video
127 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:08:23pm

Good evening, Honcos. It's been a while.

128 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:08:44pm

re: #123 Cato the Elder

What test? You mean the Ayn Rand comment? Anyone who has read Niche knows that Ayn Rand is just a dumbed down version of his philosophy.

Ayn Rand lied in that Mike Wallace interview when she said that the only philosopher who influenced her was Aristotle. (or was is Sacristies?)

129 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:09:27pm

re: #127 cannadian club akbar

Good evening, Honcos. It's been a while.

Yeah, it has.

Which means you're buying.

I'll have a gin and tonic, please. STAT.

130 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:09:33pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Wow. 1992. I was already in my late 20's by then. Can I say that I'm still 17 emotionally? Others will attest!

131 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:10:12pm

re: #128 YoungLibertarian92

"Niche"?!

132 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:10:40pm

re: #125 Escaped Hillbilly

Uh, there was no sarc tag and none was intended. Both my Soldiers and my son are in his age range and are just as likely to think that way. Its not the first time I've heard such, just didn't expect it here.

It's just out of the normal order of things here. Most lizards and much older than he is. I don't think we've had a regular poster who was that young before. Still, I'm happy to have a smart and curious member of Generation Y here at LGF.

133 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:11:30pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Me too. He's far more articulate than I was at 17.

The Internet makes them grow up quicker these days.

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:11:35pm

re: #129 Cato the Elder

Yeah, it has.

Which means you're buying.

I'll have a gin and tonic, please. STAT.

I only know how to make 1 drink. But I can also make chili dogs. :)

135 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:11:35pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

He has said he was born in 1992. Which would likely make him 17. That would also make him the youngest lizard I can remember. Most of us are north of 30.

I'm officially (not) starting the South of 30 club. I suspect we will have few members.

136 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:11:41pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

It's just out of the normal order of things here. Most lizards and much older than he is. I don't think we've had a regular poster who was that young before. Still, I'm happy to have a smart and curious member of Generation Y here at LGF.

I think that's already Generation Zed.

137 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:12:02pm

re: #131 Cato the Elder

Rand always had a "Niche" market.

138 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:12:04pm

re: #110 Escaped Hillbilly

Microwaves? When were we reliant on those?

From radar to communications, we've been relying on microwaves for a while now.

139 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:12:13pm

re: #130 Irenicum

haha sure! I wish I could stay 17 forever. Tiny Tim wishes the same.

Youtube Video

I couldn't find the original Tiny Tim version.

140 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:13:02pm

re: #136 Cato the Elder

I think that's already Generation Zed.

Yeah, but he's not that young. Anyone already a teenager is Generation Y in my book.

141 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:13:18pm

Haiti in happier times advert in Creole.

Youtube Video
142 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:13:59pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

His comment seemed silly. But really, when I was a kid I used to laugh at some of the stuff my mom talked about. She used to pump water in her kitchen sink as a girl. I thought that meant she was old enough to have gone to school in a horse and buggy. Its hard to get a grasp on recent history time lines. It seems to bunch up at the ends. And our technology has exploded in recent years so that most kids really honestly cannot relate to the lack of technology (or its intrusion into our lives) even 10-30 years ago.

143 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:15:46pm
It seems to bunch up at the ends. And our technology has exploded in recent years so that most kids really honestly cannot relate to the lack of technology

I am a tech junkie. I'm always on my computer or my iPhone.

And yes, I do have the cute LGF football link on my main menu.
Thanks Charles!

144 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:15:49pm

Dammit! Why must gnats kamikaze themselves into my coffee?!

145 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:16:16pm

More Haitian advertising humour from better days.

TonTon Bicha (Uncle Bicha)

Youtube Video
146 Silvergirl  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:16:54pm

re: #128 YoungLibertarian92

What test? You mean the Ayn Rand comment? Anyone who has read Niche knows that Ayn Rand is just a dumbed down version of his philosophy.

Ayn Rand lied in that Mike Wallace interview when she said that the only philosopher who influenced her was Aristotle. (or was is Sacristies?)

Do you mean Socrates? Or "So-crates" as Bill and Ted called him.

Sacristies are something else entirely.

147 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:17:06pm

re: #144 Varek Raith

Dammit! Why must gnats kamikaze themselves into my coffee?!

I hate it when that happens, so we moved out of Louisiana. Haha!

148 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:18:08pm

re: #142 Escaped Hillbilly

His comment seemed silly. But really, when I was a kid I used to laugh at some of the stuff my mom talked about. She used to pump water in her kitchen sink as a girl. I thought that meant she was old enough to have gone to school in a horse and buggy. Its hard to get a grasp on recent history time lines. It seems to bunch up at the ends. And our technology has exploded in recent years so that most kids really honestly cannot relate to the lack of technology (or its intrusion into our lives) even 10-30 years ago.

Quite Concur. I had to print out and hand in all my school papers. These days, they're mostly sent in by email. It just makes me feel old, that's all. I'm only 32, and I already am made to feel old at regular intervals. Guess i better practice some responses:

Hey YoungLibetarian92, get off my lawn! ;)

149 Cato the Elder  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:18:40pm

re: #142 Escaped Hillbilly

His comment seemed silly. But really, when I was a kid I used to laugh at some of the stuff my mom talked about. She used to pump water in her kitchen sink as a girl. I thought that meant she was old enough to have gone to school in a horse and buggy. Its hard to get a grasp on recent history time lines. It seems to bunch up at the ends. And our technology has exploded in recent years so that most kids really honestly cannot relate to the lack of technology (or its intrusion into our lives) even 10-30 years ago.


What today's college freshmen don't know about. (Unless they did AP history.)

150 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:18:47pm

re: #146 Silvergirl

Yeah, I seriously doubt Ayn Rand was guide by anything approaching a sacred philosophy.

151 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:18:54pm
It's just out of the normal order of things here. Most lizards and much older than he is. I don't think we've had a regular poster who was that young before. Still, I'm happy to have a smart and curious member of Generation Y here at LGF.

This site has a really youthful feel to it. Maybe its just the name and the green highlights. I'm surprised, I thought most of you where in your 20s.

152 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:19:29pm

re: #144 Varek Raith

Coffee? You're lucky, gnats always make kamikaze attacks on my eyeballs. Skillful little bastards they are, as they often bypass my glasses.

153 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:19:41pm

re: #149 Cato the Elder

What today's college freshmen don't know about. (Unless they did AP history.)

I got a 5 in AP World History!

154 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:20:10pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

*snip* I'm only 32, and I already am made to feel old at regular intervals. Guess i better practice some responses:

Hey YoungLibetarian92, get off my lawn! ;)

Good, but you gotta wave the cane more.
On a related note, UP won at the Globes and my kid actually agrees with me it was deserved.

155 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:20:27pm

re: #153 YoungLibertarian92

I got a 5 in AP World History!

Is that equivalent to an A?

156 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:20:36pm

re: #152 Slumbering Behemoth

Coffee? You're lucky, gnats always make kamikaze attacks on my eyeballs. Skillful little bastards they are, as they often bypass my glasses.

My coffee is my precious! They can hit my eyes, for all I care! Just spare the coffee!

157 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:20:59pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

Yes.

158 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:21:21pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. I had to print out and hand in all my school papers. These days, they're mostly sent in by email.


I typed mine on a typewriter.

The keys were ⓇⓄⓊⓃⒹ.

Corrections were made with white tape.

And yes, I walked to school, through the snowdrifts...

159 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:21:59pm

re: #158 freetoken

I typed mine on a typewriter.

The keys were ⓇⓄⓊⓃⒹ.

Corrections were made with white tape.

And yes, I walked to school, through the snowdrifts...

15 miles?

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:22:19pm

re: #153 YoungLibertarian92

I got a 5 in AP World History!

Mazal tov! I got a 3 in U.S. History back in 1991--and a 5 in Literature.

161 Silvergirl  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:22:29pm

re: #158 freetoken

I typed mine on a typewriter.

The keys were ⓇⓄⓊⓃⒹ.

Corrections were made with white tape.

And yes, I walked to school, through the snowdrifts...

And you know what carbon paper is!

162 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:22:31pm

re: #159 Varek Raith

Grade school was about 1.5 miles away... junior high was about 3 miles away.

163 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:22:57pm

re: #159 Varek Raith

15 miles?

Uphill. Both ways.

164 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:23:09pm

I showed up at undergrad with an actual typewriter. Here I was in my dorm room typing away with the occasional ding of the return ringing away. That lasted all of one month. Then I got a blazing fast Gateway at 4oo mhz. Nowadays that seems almost equivalent to an abacus. Time is moving mighty fast these days.

165 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:23:14pm

re: #161 Silvergirl

And you know what carbon paper is!

Heh... if I remember correctly, you knew you were really hot if you had black, blue and red carbon paper!

166 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:24:15pm

re: #165 freetoken

Heh... if I remember correctly, you knew you were really hot if you had black, blue and red carbon paper!

?...?
:)

167 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:24:38pm

re: #158 freetoken

And it was uphill...both ways?

168 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:24:57pm

re: #163 cannadian club akbar

Aww crap. You beat me.

169 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:24:59pm

re: #156 Varek Raith

Why complain? It's a free source of protein. :)

170 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:25:24pm

It's time for my midnight bowl of Captain Crunch. Yum!

171 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:25:30pm

re: #167 Irenicum

And it was uphill...both ways?

You betcha...

172 Silvergirl  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:25:38pm

Ah, the smell of a glorious purple test fresh off the mimeograph machine. Hold the paper up to your face and inhale deeply.

173 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:26:10pm

re: #172 Silvergirl

Ah, the smell of a glorious purple test fresh off the mimeograph machine. Hold the paper up to your face and inhale deeply.

Huh...?
Lol.

174 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:26:22pm

re: #172 Silvergirl

Ah, the smell of a glorious purple test fresh off the mimeograph machine. Hold the paper up to your face and inhale deeply.

Get a surgical mask!

175 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:26:36pm

re: #171 freetoken

You betcha...

Along the railroad tracks to pick up stray lumps of coal?

176 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:26:53pm

re: #149 Cato the Elder

These lists get funnier as I get older. Oh that was good. I had to read slow to avoid spraying the screen with iced tea.

177 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:27:03pm

re: #168 Irenicum

Aww crap. You beat me.

If my dad was here, he could tell you about milking cows. Heh.

178 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:27:23pm

re: #172 Silvergirl

A.K.A. the ditto machine. They phased those out when I was in grade school.

179 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:27:38pm

re: #172 Silvergirl

And the "visual aid" in a class might be a slideshow, on Kodachrome, or if we were really lucky one of those Disney educational films on 16mm.

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:27:56pm

Speaking of exams, did I ever tell any of you all about my experience with the history CSET? Ojoe might appreciate it.

181 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:28:12pm

re: #158 freetoken

I typed mine on a typewriter.

The keys were ⓇⓄⓊⓃⒹ.

Corrections were made with white tape.

And yes, I walked to school, through the snowdrifts...

Not funny, one of my first college classes was typing. And my first MOS school in the ARmy was clerk, which was basically a long drawn out typing class.

182 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:28:39pm

re: #175 Gus 802

Along the railroad tracks to pick up stray lumps of coal?

Funny, I was about to mention the tracks... walked them to and back from jr. high... it was a shorter path, of course the most level.

We didn't use coal, but I was happy when we got indoor plumbing...

183 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:28:50pm

Whoa, that plane was freaking low...

184 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:29:30pm

re: #175 Gus 802

My parents grew up when that still happened! When I was little, Staten island still had several cobble stoned roads. I would know when we were getting close to my grandmas house when we began to drive on the cobblestones on Victory Blvd. Excellent memories!

185 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:29:35pm

un haïtien à Paris

Youtube Video

Edouard, un jeune haïtien en situation irrégulière(sans papiers) en France, ne parvient pas à oublier sa fiancée Taïna, restée au pays, à laquelle il a promis de la faire venir en France;

186 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:30:07pm

re: #183 Varek Raith

No, dude. You're just really freaking high. :)

187 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:30:23pm

re: #181 Escaped Hillbilly

We had typing class in junior high, all manual machines. Probably one of the most useful non-math classes I've ever taken. To this day when I see some poor guy huntin' and peckin' away at the keyboard while I'm zipping along at 35 or 40 words per minute, it makes me realize that in my day education was actually worth something.

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:30:34pm

re: #181 Escaped Hillbilly

Not funny, one of my first college classes was typing. And my first MOS school in the ARmy was clerk, which was basically a long drawn out typing class.

We learned to type on electric typewriters in high school.

We had computers, but we didn't use them for, you know, computer stuff. I recall being sent out of English class to spend half an hour playing some deranged computer game with mice and cheese.

189 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:30:51pm

I may be 17 but I still appreciate the masterpieces that came before my time.

Youtube Video
190 Silvergirl  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:31:06pm

re: #179 freetoken

And the "visual aid" in a class might be a slideshow, on Kodachrome, or if we were really lucky one of those Disney educational films on 16mm.

The records had a little bell sound between narration so you would know when to advance the filmstrip.

191 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:31:20pm

re: #186 Slumbering Behemoth

No, dude. You're just really freaking high. :)

Hah! I am on anti-anxiety attack meds...
/Stupid flightpath to Dulles goes over my freaking house.

192 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:31:56pm

re: #172 Silvergirl

Ah, the smell of a glorious purple test fresh off the mimeograph machine. Hold the paper up to your face and inhale deeply.

The Chicago park district bought a large run of those things. At least one of them was still running in 1995 when I worked for them, so I do know what you mean. Only saw it in action a couple times, but I'm glad I did. It makes the stories I hear more understandable.

193 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:32:47pm

re: #190 Silvergirl

The records had a little bell sound between narration so you would know when to advance the filmstrip.

And in math class you liked it because the teacher might have had a color of chalk other than off-white.

194 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:32:48pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

Shit, I'd be taking anti-anxiety meds too if I lived under a flight path.

195 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:32:56pm

re: #184 Irenicum

My parents grew up when that still happened! When I was little, Staten island still had several cobble stoned roads. I would know when we were getting close to my grandmas house when we began to drive on the cobblestones on Victory Blvd. Excellent memories!

The oldest I remember is the old wood fruit carts in Brooklyn in the 60s.

196 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:32:59pm

re: #189 YoungLibertarian92

I may be 17 but I still appreciate the masterpieces that came before my time.


[Video]

Upding for good taste.

197 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:33:00pm

re: #190 Silvergirl

The records had a little bell sound between narration so you would know when to advance the filmstrip.

Add that to the list. Kids in college don't remember a time when movies could not be bought in stores, let alone on line. You could, if you bought the magazines, order some of them through the mail!

198 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:33:31pm

re: #194 Slumbering Behemoth

I used to live under a flight path but I used to brag about it to my friends. I've always loved planes.

199 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:33:52pm

re: #195 Gus 802

The oldest I remember is the old wood fruit carts in Brooklyn in the 60s.

That's a long way before my time.

200 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:34:05pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

Upding for good taste.

REM is consi....no, Varek, don't say it. :P

201 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:34:05pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

You and me get along well DF! Thanks for all the updings! I've returned the favor.

202 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:34:47pm

re: #179 freetoken

Ah, Kodachrome. And don't forget Polaroid, the original 'digital' film where you didn't have to worry about having it developed by others! (wink wink nod nod)

203 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:35:47pm

re: #200 Varek Raith

Good Varek. Maintain. Goosfrahbah.

204 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:36:17pm

re: #194 Slumbering Behemoth

Shit, I'd be taking anti-anxiety meds too if I lived under a flight path.

For years I expected to wake up to a 747 on my front lawn...During bad weather they fly really, really low.

205 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:36:29pm

re: #194 Slumbering Behemoth

In fact, as a bedtime story my Dad used to read me the descriptions of planes from this big book of military and civilian aircraft.

My favorites where always the Russian MIG-29, the Bear bomber, and the SU-27. He would always accuse me of being a double agent.

206 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:38:16pm

re: #205 YoungLibertarian92

In fact, as a bedtime story my Dad used to read me the descriptions of planes from this big book of military and civilian aircraft.

My favorites where always the Russian MIG-29, the Bear bomber, and the SU-27. He would always accuse me of being a double agent.

Hah, I like the MiG-29 (Purely by looks), as well.

207 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:38:21pm

So me and another crusty old timer are laughing about how backwards some militray units are and I tell him in my first unit they were still using a mimeograph machine for some things and I had to create a flyer on it once. It was a royal pain cause you had to use special sheets and type everything perfectly, no mistakes, on the original. One of the young pups Soldiers overhearing says, "Why didn't you just use spell check?" Doh!

208 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:38:22pm

re: #202 Irenicum

Ah, Kodachrome. And don't forget Polaroid, the original 'digital' film where you didn't have to worry about having it developed by others! (wink wink nod nod)

That's another reason I want a Nikon SLR: They haven't changed their lens mount in my lifetime. My mother still has good sized collection of Nikon SLR lens from the 1980s that I could use. Probably won't get the chance though, due to high costs.

209 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:38:40pm

Haitian Drill Sergent Jessifra

Youtube Video
210 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:39:01pm

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

That's a long way before my time.

Yeah, seems like a long time ago now. I remember seeing some amputees using those under car roller things with wheels. Don't know what those were called.

211 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:39:06pm

re: #195 Gus 802

In our neighborhood on SI we had twice weekly milk, egg and bread deliveries and a knife sharpener drove down our street weekly with a distinctive bell for those who needed their knives, scissors, etc. sharpened. Also, the SI railroad still had wicker seats. In the summer it hurt to wear shorts!

212 Silvergirl  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:39:58pm

re: #202 Irenicum

Ah, Kodachrome. And don't forget Polaroid, the original 'digital' film where you didn't have to worry about having it developed by others! (wink wink nod nod)

The old Polaroid film--the B&W--used to come with an applicator in a tube with some kind of liquid protector or something that you brushed over the picture after you pulled it out of the camera and timed it on your wristwatch and pulled off the backing. I was telling someone about that and though he's older than me, doesn't think there was such a thing.

213 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:39:58pm

re: #211 Irenicum

In our neighborhood on SI we had twice weekly milk, egg and bread deliveries and a knife sharpener drove down our street weekly with a distinctive bell for those who needed their knives, scissors, etc. sharpened. Also, the SI railroad still had wicker seats. In the summer it hurt to wear shorts!

Woot! I remember those. "Sharpening knives and scissors!"

214 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:40:05pm

re: #206 Varek Raith

Hah, I like the MiG-29 (Purely by looks), as well./blockquote>

A scary jet fighter will impress any 7 year old boy.

215 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:40:07pm

pimf: Sergeant

216 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:40:31pm

The good ol' days talk reminds me... last week I was rummaging through my storage unit and discovered my old slide-rule from high school. I wonder if I remember how to use it...

217 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:42:22pm

re: #212 Silvergirl

I think you remember correctly. We didn't have a Polaroid camera until much later (we did have, though, a Kodak box brownie unit that shot on roll film!) in their development, but I seem to remember someone doing some application of a preserver on a polaroid picture.

218 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:42:23pm

re: #205 YoungLibertarian92

Back in the '90s (when you were still wearing diapers) the top dog at Oracle (Larry something) had a Mig parked at a small airfield near where I worked.

It was painted pink.

219 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:42:46pm

My good ol'days talk mainly consists of me and my dad listening to 90s grunge, going to taco bell, and discussing the events in Iraq.

God, I miss the 90s so much!

220 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:42:51pm

re: #205 YoungLibertarian92

In fact, as a bedtime story my Dad used to read me the descriptions of planes from this big book of military and civilian aircraft.

My favorites where always the Russian MIG-29, the Bear bomber, and the SU-27. He would always accuse me of being a double agent.

When I was in 7th grade the interesting aircraft was the TU-160 Blackjack. I remember how it got hyped at times as the newest Russian weapon. The the Cold War ended and it was seen as a White Elephant (RACIST!/) for some time. Lately, however, the Blackjack has come into its own as a low-level heavy attack aircraft. Its done so well that Russia has had one Blackjack assembled from old components and ordered another one brand-new one.

221 Silvergirl  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:43:05pm

re: #211 Irenicum

In our neighborhood on SI we had twice weekly milk, egg and bread deliveries and a knife sharpener drove down our street weekly with a distinctive bell for those who needed their knives, scissors, etc. sharpened. Also, the SI railroad still had wicker seats. In the summer it hurt to wear shorts!

This must be the geezer thread.

In the summer we used to run behind a truck that sprayed for mosquitoes and there we were in those huge clouds of insecticide! That's an early memory, and it's a wonder I have a brain left to tell it after inhaling whatever that was.

222 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:43:13pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

As much as I love my digital camera and video I still have a soft spot for my Pentax K1000. Absolutely manual everything and still takes the best pictures of anything I have.

223 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:43:50pm

When I was living in New Jersey, I saw a F-117 as I was walking home from school. So cool. I must've been...11 or 12.

224 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:44:09pm

re: #218 Slumbering Behemoth

Back in the '90s (when you were still wearing diapers) the top dog at Oracle (Larry something) had a Mig parked at a small airfield near where I worked.

It was painted pink.

I always like that kind of flamboyance in my vehicles. I want a pink Rolls Royce Corniche!

225 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:44:46pm

re: #217 freetoken

During one of my many abrtive attempts at Girl Scouting we were taught to make pin hole cameras. Anybody can do it. Try making your own digital camera out of an old Animal Crackers box. LOL

226 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:45:00pm

In my day...

227 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:45:03pm

So, I'm still struggling over deciding domain names... who could have guessed that naming something would have been so difficult.

No wonder parents-to-be buy baby-name books...

228 Bagua  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:45:16pm

Ton Ton Bischa running for President of Haiti. The aids on either side holding aloft frying pans symbolic of teleprompters.

Youtube Video
229 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:45:31pm

That would be abortive. Saw the error as I was hitting post.

230 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:46:02pm

re: #227 freetoken

So, I'm still struggling over deciding domain names... who could have guessed that naming something would have been so difficult.

No wonder parents-to-be buy baby-name books...

Lol, you should see how long it takes me to come up with names for my characters in RPGs.

231 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:46:08pm

re: #217 freetoken

I think you remember correctly. We didn't have a Polaroid camera until much later (we did have, though, a Kodak box brownie unit that shot on roll film!) in their development, but I seem to remember someone doing some application of a preserver on a polaroid picture.

The older Box Brownie actually became kind of a trend in later years. I had one of these Kodaks as a kid. It was already past its prime when I used it.

232 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:46:51pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

Russia will be using the Blackjack for the next century. They plan on using the Bear until 2052. (HAHA) To me the TU-160 looks like a militarized version of the Concord. I wish I could've flown on it. Concord's speed was wasted on Mobutu and his kleptocracy.

233 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:47:19pm

re: #226 Slumbering Behemoth

In my day...

Hey, when was Walter on SNL?//

234 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:47:57pm

re: #221 Silvergirl

ON SI all you had to do was breath to get all the toxins you could ever hope for. I always joke that we had/have the best sunsets because of all the pollution from Jersey.

235 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:49:03pm

re: #234 Irenicum

ON SI all you had to do was breath to get all the toxins you could ever hope for.

Oh yeah, the good ol' days and toxins...

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236 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:49:15pm

re: #218 Slumbering Behemoth

Back in the '90s (when you were still wearing diapers) the top dog at Oracle (Larry something) had a Mig parked at a small airfield near where I worked.

It was painted pink.

Back around the time YL was born, there was a Czech 'artist' who painted a IS-2 monument tank in Prague pink. My friends and I agree that he was lucky he didn't try it in Chicagoland. The public reaction would be violent.

237 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:49:54pm

Well, bedtime! Night!

238 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:50:19pm

Walter

239 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:51:09pm
Back around the time YL was born, there was a Czech 'artist' who painted a IS-2 monument tank in Prague pink. My friends and I agree that he was lucky he didn't try it in Chicagoland. The public reaction would be violent.

Why? It's pink for Pinko Commies. It seems very appropriate.

240 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:51:16pm

re: #230 Varek Raith

Lol, you should see how long it takes me to come up with names for my characters in RPGs.

When I was playing the SSI Gold Box games, my party's characters would be named something like:

Fighter
Ranger
Paladin
Fighter Thief
Cleric
Magic User

That, or Dave.

241 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:52:47pm

re: #232 YoungLibertarian92

Hey, if you're into military stuff, you might be interested in listening to Tom Wisker of WBAI. He hosts a show called Weaponry. The station is wildly left wing, but he's one of the more reasonable liberal voices and his show is very cool. He's one of those guys who has no radio voice, but who absolutely knows his stuff. Been a fan for years.

242 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:53:07pm

re: #232 YoungLibertarian92

Russia will be using the Blackjack for the next century. They plan on using the Bear until 2052. (HAHA) To me the TU-160 looks like a militarized version of the Concord. I wish I could've flown on it. Concord's speed was wasted on Mobutu and his kleptocracy.

Agreed about the Concord. You're also right about the Blackjack. The techno geek in me is kind of glad it ultimately found a place for itself, the analytical parts of my brain sometimes wish it had not. As a strike aircraft that thing is deadly. It can carry an immense payload fast and low.

243 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:54:21pm

Hey Dark Falcon!

What test does Charles need to give me to make sure I'm alright?

244 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:54:33pm

Oh geez its late. Us old fogeys need our sleep. We should all be grateful we are not suffering this this. Night all.

245 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:56:51pm

re: #242 Dark_Falcon

I would be scared shitless of any Russian or US aircraft.

I remember on 9/11, we lived in Maryland outside Washington at the time, we could hear military choppers and F-18s flying over our house all day.

246 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:57:23pm

re: #241 Irenicum

Here's the link to Weaponry.

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:58:33pm

Well, heck, I'll tell you. One of the ways you demonstrate that you have the required knowledge base to teach a specific subject in California is to take the CSET exam. I had already taken the English one, and passed, but I figured that having a history credential would be a good backup, and allow me to teach core subjects in middle school. So I took it.

Part of it was essays. I did an essay on the origins of the First World War, and one on Roosevelt and Hoover's response to the Depression, and then I got to number three. Number three asked me to compare and contrast the economic policies of the Whigs and the Democrats in the first quarter of the nineteenth century.

I sat there, and it occurred to me then that the last time I'd really given the Whigs much thought was back in eighth grade, when I thought they were called Whigs because they wore wigs, and Mrs. Kruger told me that wasn't why, but I couldn't remember what, if anything, she said after that.

It was one heck of a moment, as it occured to me that my BS capacities might not be up to this. But, of course, they were....

248 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:58:54pm

re: #239 YoungLibertarian92

Why? It's pink for Pinko Commies. It seems very appropriate.

Even in Prague many felt it inappropriate and a dishonor to the soldiers who had found and died defeating the Nazis. Thus the tank was ultimately moved out of downtown Prague, but was moved to a military museum and repainted to its original wartime scheme, which I rather I approve of. To me, war monuments like that have a sacred status and should never be defaced.

249 Irenicum  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 10:59:38pm

re: #244 Escaped Hillbilly

Good point. Work beckons in not too many hours from now. And I suspect the elements aren't going to cooperate with my commute too much. Night all!

250 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:02:26pm

re: #243 YoungLibertarian92

Hey Dark Falcon!

What test does Charles need to give me to make sure I'm alright?

It's called a "collater tool", but don't worry about it. Unless he runs it and you're dirty, you'll never notice anything happened. Its actual working are a secret from all except Charles and Stinky, to preserve its use as a troll detection system. I have full confidence that if it were used, you'd pass scrutiny with flying colors.

251 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:02:35pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

To me, war monuments like that have a sacred status and should never be defaced.

I agree, but the dirty Libertarian in me says, "people should be allowed to create art and the state shouldn't interfere. The state approved of the "monument" and allowed it to stand".

However, I have a lot of respect for the military and war veterans and I could understand their outrage.

For a Libertarian, I'm pretty hawkish when it comes to foreign policy, especially radical Islam.

252 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:02:57pm

re: #243 YoungLibertarian92

You appear to worry too much about this. Everything always comes out in the wash. Let it.

253 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:03:05pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

Ok... so tell us, what were the differences between the Whigs and Democrats, wrt economic policies at the beginning of the 19th century?

If I ever knew... I've forgotten by now. I could guess that differences centered around tariffs, and probably the establishment of a National bank, but those would only be guesses.

254 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:03:40pm

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

Thanks for the confidence. Who's Stinky?

255 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:03:59pm

re: #254 YoungLibertarian92

Thanks for the confidence. Who's Stinky?

You never want to meet him.

256 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:04:23pm

re: #255 freetoken

Why not?

257 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:04:32pm

re: #252 Slumbering Behemoth

You appear to worry too much about this. Everything always comes out in the wash. Let it.

Well, honestly, we're making all this sound fairly scary. Kid! Don't worry! You're fine. (Unless you're a secret agent of the forces of darkness, but you'd know if that was the case.)

258 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:05:45pm

re: #257 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep. I think I'm gonna be here at LGF for a while! :)

But seriously, who is Stinky? Is that Charles' cat?

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:06:36pm

re: #253 freetoken

Ok... so tell us, what were the differences between the Whigs and Democrats, wrt economic policies at the beginning of the 19th century?

If I ever knew... I've forgotten by now. I could guess that differences centered around tariffs, and probably the establishment of a National bank, but those would only be guesses.

I have NO IDEA. I have never had the heart to check on what I wrote that day, but I discussed tariffs a lot, probably incoherently, and posited that the Democrats were already identified with Southern agricultural interests. I passed the test, which is all they'll tell you, and I never looked back.

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:07:08pm

re: #258 YoungLibertarian92

Yep. I think I'm gonna be here at LGF for a while! :)

But seriously, who is Stinky? Is that Charles' cat?

Stinky is the man who takes out the trash. ;)

261 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:08:57pm

re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist

OK!

262 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:09:21pm

re: #259 SanFranciscoZionist

What little I remember of early 19th century American politics... is not much.

I'm guessing that agricultural tariffs would have been a big deal because some states were mostly agricultural but some of the NE states with the larger cities probably wanted to import goods.

I seem to remember that the establishment of a national bank was a heartburn way back then too.

Glad to hear you passed the test, though.

263 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:10:23pm

I'm going to bed. I'll leave you with the soothing voice of Jack Johnson.

Youtube Video
264 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:10:51pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

Even in Prague many felt it inappropriate and a dishonor to the soldiers who had found and died defeating the Nazis. Thus the tank was ultimately moved out of downtown Prague, but was moved to a military museum and repainted to its original wartime scheme, which I rather I approve of. To me, war monuments like that have a sacred status and should never be defaced.

I seem to be in error. The photo I have of the IS-2M in question has it still in a light pink. It does also show the tank's 122mm main gun to good effect as well.

265 YoungLibertarian92  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:12:24pm

We salute our armed forces, police officers, fire fighters, and emergency personnel.

I'll see you tomorrow.

This is YoungLibertarian92 signing off!

266 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:12:28pm

re: #263 YoungLibertarian92

I'm going to bed. I'll leave you with the soothing voice of Jack Johnson.


[Video]

Here's another upding for good taste.

267 laZardo  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:13:21pm

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

Pink tank...with a long, steel 122mm nozzle...

268 laZardo  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:18:00pm

And the thread went silent. ):

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269 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:21:39pm

Well, it is eleven-thirty on the West Coast, and not everyone has tomorrow off.

270 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:22:31pm

re: #269 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, it is eleven-thirty on the West Coast, and not everyone has tomorrow off.

MLK Day?

See ya' later.

271 freetoken  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:23:50pm

re: #269 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, it is eleven-thirty on the West Coast, and not everyone has tomorrow off.

You might wish you did, though.

272 Cheechako  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:24:45pm

Well, I can beat everyone with old timers memories. I can remember picking up the telephone and telling an actual operator the number or name of the party you wanted to call. I can also remember steam locomotives on the track next to the elementary school I attended. We used to sneak out of the playground and put pennies on the track for the engine to crush.

Damn, makes me feel old(er)!

273 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:25:44pm

re: #267 laZardo

Pink tank...with a long, steel 122mm nozzle...

I do have to go to bed soon, I've still got so time. The IS-2 was the second in a line of Soviet heavy tanks. The third, the IS-3 was a major bogyman for Western forces during the late 40's- early 50's, as was its successor the T-10. The T-10 motivated the UK to build and deploy the 120mm armed Conqueror Heavy Tank, and America deployed the similarly armed M103.

274 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:26:51pm

re: #272 Cheechako

Well, I can beat everyone with old timers memories. I can remember picking up the telephone and telling an actual operator the number or name of the party you wanted to call. I can also remember steam locomotives on the track next to the elementary school I attended. We used to sneak out of the playground and put pennies on the track for the engine to crush.

Damn, makes me feel old(er)!

Yep, those memories win by a Mississippi Mile.

275 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:29:54pm

re: #269 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, it is eleven-thirty on the West Coast, and not everyone has tomorrow off.

I'm trying to save money by using less electricity, so I shut tomorrow off sometime earlier this evening. It's not a huge cost savings, but every little bit counts.

276 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:37:36pm

re: #275 Slumbering Behemoth

With that cost saving in mind, I think I'll be shutting tonight off as well. I should have shut it off early yesterday, but I'd forgotten that I even had it on. I can be such an absent minded airhead sometimes.

G'nite Lizards.

277 Silvergirl  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:41:22pm

If it's lights out, I'm taking a flashlight and making my way back to the tent. Good-night all!

278 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:41:40pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

Does your Bondesque car have stinger missiles behind headlights?

It catapults OEDs at the enemy.

279 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:43:34pm

I'll check out too. Have a good night, all.

280 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:46:18pm

re: #115 YoungLibertarian92

Major upding and favoriting for the 2001 reference! Thank you!

Is that you, Gollum?

281 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:48:35pm

re: #128 YoungLibertarian92

What test? You mean the Ayn Rand comment? Anyone who has read Niche knows that Ayn Rand is just a dumbed down version of his philosophy.

Ayn Rand lied in that Mike Wallace interview when she said that the only philosopher who influenced her was Aristotle. (or was is Sacristies?)

Ayn Rand is sort of a Niche market thing anyway.

282 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:50:13pm

re: #137 Irenicum

Rand always had a "Niche" market.

And there you go.

283 ryannon  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:51:18pm

re: #138 Slumbering Behemoth

From radar to communications, we've been relying on microwaves for a while now.

And they're probably cooking our brains so slowly that we can't even tell.

I'm moving to a Farraday cage.

284 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:52:27pm

re: #281 ryannon

Ayn Rand is sort of a Niche market thing anyway.

Many say that Nietzsche had a niche on nihilism yet that is often negated.

285 lazardo  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:53:18pm

re: #281 ryannon

"Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?"

/mmm, video game wisdom. 0:

286 Gus  Sun, Jan 17, 2010 11:58:32pm

Cathay Pacific Cargo B744F. B-LIE. MAN 25/11/09

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287 Gus  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:09:06am

Growlers at NAF El Centro

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288 ryannon  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:11:00am

re: #217 freetoken

I think you remember correctly. We didn't have a Polaroid camera until much later (we did have, though, a Kodak box brownie unit that shot on roll film!) in their development, but I seem to remember someone doing some application of a preserver on a polaroid picture.

It gave it a 'glossy' effect.

289 ryannon  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:24:30am
Youtube Video

(Turns out lights)

290 freetoken  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:26:38am
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291 freetoken  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:45:52am
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292 AK-47%  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:51:52am

I am suspicious of the financial interests behind the advocates of global warming.

For that, I completely believe the assesments given by scientists financed by oil companies.

293 ryannon  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:59:58am

re: #292 ralphieboy

I am suspicious of the financial interests behind the advocates of global warming.

For that, I completely believe the assesments given by scientists financed by oil companies.

(Turns lights back on)

Mwahahahahaha!

294 Red Sock  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:31:37am

It's true that some climate skeptics are talking nonsense. But you can say the same about environmentalists. The IPCC are about to scrape a passage about "melting glaciers in the Himalaya", people found out this was completely untrue and was made up by a single, unknown Indian scientist. And then you've got Antarctica of course, which isn't melting at all. There are even scientists suggesting the ice sheet there is growing.

It's not like global warming is "settled science". Here in the Netherlands, two major Universities and some influential scientists think natural factors are causing heating, and not the people on this planet. There is even much debate about a coming ice age, which is inevitable, as this is a natural cycle. That would be far worse than the 0,2 degrees Celsius heating in the last dozens of years, which isn't that shocking at all!

We would be far better off having an honest debate about this issues, and give both skeptics and global warming believers a chance to do more research, get to know more about this planet.

295 freetoken  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:32:03am
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296 freetoken  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 1:37:31am

re: #294 Red Sock

And then you've got Antarctica of course, which isn't melting at all.


Sorry, but that claim is just false. First of all, your link doesn't say what you claim it does.

Secondly, for a more complete overview of Antarctica, look here at a link I posted a few days ago:
[Link: climate.nasa.gov...]

Furthermore, your claim about

...two major Universities and some influential scientists ...

is un-sourced. The internet is full of claims, if nothing else.

297 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:00:40am

I haven't slept in a week. And it aint getting no better. This sucks. I have a prescribed sleep aid but I don't like pills and the such. I also logged about 6 miles walking this week, so exercise aint the answer.

298 SixDegrees  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:14:03am

re: #297 cannadian club akbar

I haven't slept in a week. And it aint getting no better. This sucks. I have a prescribed sleep aid but I don't like pills and the such. I also logged about 6 miles walking this week, so exercise aint the answer.

Sorry to hear about that.

It sounds like you're long past the home remedy stage, but I'll offer one anyway, because it's free and it's worked for me in the past: relax your tongue. That's it. Concentrate on making your tongue go limp, and hopefully sleep will follow.

299 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:26:40am

re: #298 SixDegrees

I never heard of that. I have heard drinking milk and eating turkey would help. But the trytophan in turkey would make me eat a 20 pound bird. Then add taters. And stuffing. Yummy!!

300 freetoken  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:33:37am

re: #297 cannadian club akbar

Having done many exercises over many years, may I be bold enough to offer some recommendations?

6 miles a week is only 1 mile a day. Unless you are very out of shape, that will not be very strenuous as we humans are built to be very efficient walkers.

If you are not a physical laborer (say 8 hours a day lifting), chances are good that you are no where near close to physically exhausting yourself with your walking. I don't know how much time you have per day to spend on exercising, or if you have other physical limitations, but a good 3-hour exercise session per day is not unheard of for good health - just ask us gym-rats! If it is at all possible, look into trying more walking, some strength training, and then some other form of enjoyable physical activity (say dancing?) during the day.

Also, be careful not to exercise too close to when you go to sleep. Generally I try to finish exercising at least 6 hours before I need to sleep. If I lift weights too late in the evening I can't get to sleep at night.

I will second SixDegrees' suggestion. Relaxation exercises have proven beneficial to me in the past.

301 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:48:13am

re: #300 freetoken

I used to be in a physical job. Imagine needing to use a 2 inch socket, in Florida, in summer. I don't do that anymore. I hope this is just a short time thingy. But I will look into the relaxation thing. I appreciate you guys helping. Gonna try to get some sleep.:)

302 ryannon  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:56:10am

re: #297 cannadian club akbar

I haven't slept in a week. And it aint getting no better. This sucks. I have a prescribed sleep aid but I don't like pills and the such. I also logged about 6 miles walking this week, so exercise aint the answer.

Do what I do - if can permit it: just stay up until you drop. Works every time for me.

303 freetoken  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:00:29am

re: #301 cannadian club akbar

Maybe this will help...


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304 freetoken  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:06:22am
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305 ryannon  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:17:42am

re: #301 cannadian club akbar

I used to be in a physical job. Imagine needing to use a 2 inch socket, in Florida, in summer. I don't do that anymore. I hope this is just a short time thingy. But I will look into the relaxation thing. I appreciate you guys helping. Gonna try to get some sleep.:)

Ok, since others have contributed, let me add these two possibilities: the first, and simplest, is a relaxation technique that was shown to me back in the days when I took this problem more seriously (for myself). You just close your eyes, empty your mind as completely as possible, close your two hands very loosely and touch the tips of each of your thumbs together. And that's it. Normally, it should put you under in about five minutes, provided that you're in bed and ready to go.

The other idea is to try treatment with intense, full-spectrum light as early in the morning as possible. This is supposed to reset your biological clock, alleviate SAD, on so on. You can get the very latest in high-tech LED devices for very little money here.

[Link: www.google.com...]

It's a Chinese clone of a Philips which sells for three times the price - and which is undoubtedly also manufactured in China. I have one, and it's an amazing little device.

If you go the intensive walking/exercise route as suggested by Mr. Freetoken, and follow it up with a nice cup of warm chamomile (herb) tea ten minutes before going to bed, you should be out practically before putting the cup down. With no toxic or heavy after-effects.

I honestly hope you find a solution. I wasn't joking about my own insomnia - which I've had for years and which has only gotten worse due to my lack of motivation in curing it. I now just stay up until, literally, I drop. Sleep for a few hours, and stay awake for lots and lots more. Not recommended. It will totally fuck you up in the long run, but I'm at a point in my life where I can do it because I can, without fearing (too much) the consequences. Once again, best of luck with this: it can really be debilitating and should be taken very seriously.

306 ryannon  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:29:38am

Addendum to the above: it's not at all necessary to close the fingers of each hand almost completely as in an, ahem, slightly-clenched fist. The important thing is to find a position that is instinctively comfortable, and then very gently touch the tip of each thumb with the other and again letting your mind and body determine the right pressure and contact - which is generally very slight. Let us know how you make out?

307 freetoken  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:32:38am

Apologize in advance for breaking the peaceful Debussy inspired Wa on this overnight thread, but I decided to research what the ugly-o-sphere is saying about Haiti tonight.

Unsurprisingly, the award for Ugly Essay of the Day goes to Steve Sailor, who in commenting upon Haiti in a VDARE essay, proposes (while intentionally misconstruing what the Jared Diamond excerpt about Haiti in the Guardian truly is about) that the only "proposal" he can come up with for Haiti is to offer chemical sterilization to Haiti women.

Yeah, as if he wouldn't propose chemical sterilization for any dark skinned culture even on their best days...

308 Tigger2005  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:49:38am

That one scientist in the video, Mark Serreze, has a beard and ponytail. He's obviously a commie, and probably an evolutionist too. It's a conspiracy I tell ya!
/

309 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:53:12am

Pat Robertson voodoo doll on eBay, proceeds to go to Red Cross.

310 shimoda  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:00:49am

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

That's another reason I want a Nikon SLR: They haven't changed their lens mount in my lifetime. My mother still has good sized collection of Nikon SLR lens from the 1980s that I could use. Probably won't get the chance though, due to high costs.

If you have access to good Nikon glasses you should buy a used Nikon film camera. You can get a pro camera like an F-100 for $229 from Adorama or simpler models for even less. You could even get an F2 on Ebay for less than a hundred.
If you buy a digital Nikon be aware that the cheaper digital are DX. That means that your mother´s lenses will work but not always as intended. To take full advantage of them on a digital Nikon you need an FX-body, like a D3 or a D700, and they are expensive.

311 freetoken  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:07:43am

re: #310 shimoda


If you buy a digital Nikon be aware that the cheaper digital are DX. That means that your mother´s lenses will work but not always as intended.

Indeed, the cheaper Nikon DSLRs don't have a "screw driver" for Autofocus, so if you have one of the older Nikon AF lenses with the mechanical AF coupling, then with the newer DSLRs you lose AF.

312 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:12:16am

re: #310 shimoda

A friend of mine just picked up a used Nikon D70 + accessories for $250. I was told that was a good deal. I have a crappy auto point and shoot thing because I only use cameras to take pictures of my cats. :D

313 Tigger2005  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:18:15am

re: #312 WindUpBird

A friend of mine just picked up a used Nikon D70 + accessories for $250. I was told that was a good deal. I have a crappy auto point and shoot thing because I only use cameras to take pictures of my cats. :D

Don't your cats deserve the best?

314 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:48:17am

There was no snow on the weekend and temperatures were a bit above normal. Until last year I used to enjoy these winter mild spells, but nowadays I find them depressing.
Fuck, I hate global warming!
Good Morning LGF.

315 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:03:35am

re: #309 negativ

Pat Robertson voodoo doll on eBay, proceeds to go to Red Cross.

Yesterday morning it was going for $500, it's up to $770 now.

316 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:07:54am

re: #298 SixDegrees

relax your tongue. That's it. Concentrate on making your tongue go limp....

My ex-wife worked on the same exercises. Did wonders for her gag reflex.

317 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:28:16am

Sullivan comes to terms with a Coakley defeat tomorrow. Of course he gets the reasoning for the loss wrong even though he's had email after email from people in the area explaining it to him. To him it boils down to Coakley is going to lose because of right-wing hatred of health care reform and the kennedys:

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

I can't believe I haven't figured this out yet. The closeness of the race in Massachusetts is not just a function of the dreadful Martha Coakley and right-wing hostility to health insurance reform. It's also about the Kennedys.
This Senate seat was held warm for Ted decades ago, when he was parachuted in and stayed there for ever. Part of the revolt is based on the fact that Coakley seems to be the ultimate Kennedy clan crony, and was also plopped in by a tiny number of primary voters, and seems to imbue the arrogance of the Democratic party elite. Most voters know that she could lord it over them for decades. But they'll almost certainly be rid of Brown in a few years.

318 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:28:52am

Good morning, Lizards. I guess this one counts as the overnight thread today, eh?

Not a lot of time to catch up on comments - did I miss anything important? (trying to get a whole lot done today as I've been called for jury duty and won't be around for a day or two - playing catch-up in reverse)

319 WarBicycle  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:29:11am

The problem is that most of the green house gas pollutants are coming from China, India, Pakistan, Russia, former Soviet Union countries and Africa, not North America. We started cleaning up our house 30 years ago, the countries mentioned above have no intention of cleaning up their act.

320 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:35:11am

hoo-boy - it's dead in here this a.m. - everyone still working on their first caffeinated beverage of choice or something?

321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:35:45am

re: #319 WarBicycle

That's a smidge cynical isn't it?

True. But a tad cynical, though?

322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:36:07am

re: #320 SasyMomaCat

Just got mine. Whatcha wanna talk about? Huh huh huh?

323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:36:46am

re: #318 SasyMomaCat

KSM? Gonna take more than a few days.

324 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:37:10am

LOL - anything, I suppose . . . don't have time to read back through the weekend's threads, so i don't know what the hot topics are. But I can keep one eye on spy while I work on other stuff . . .

325 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:37:16am

re: #321 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's a smidge cynical isn't it?

True. But a tad cynical, though?

Nothing wrong with being cynical is there?

326 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:37:45am

re: #323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nope, don't know what case or even if I'll make it to the actual jury. Just going in for jury selection right now.

327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:39:27am

re: #326 SasyMomaCat

Nope, don't know what case or even if I'll make it to the actual jury. Just going in for jury selection right now.

Don't forget to wear your Princess Leia ear buns and carry a shrubbery!

328 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:40:06am

re: #326 SasyMomaCat

Nope, don't know what case or even if I'll make it to the actual jury. Just going in for jury selection right now.

I've been called and released twice and I'm guessing they won't waste their time with me anymore. When you patiently explain to them that you don't believe a word that comes out of a policeman's or prosecutor's mouth without video evidence to back them up they let you go home.

329 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:40:26am

re: #327 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LOL - that'll be sure to get me booted, eh? Re PL, my son was commenting on her and referred to her hairstyle as "hair balls."

330 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:40:41am

Jury duty...fun... I was on call for 5 weeks and never had to go in.
/Rejoices. :)

331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:40:43am

re: #325 RogueOne

*sarcastic voice*

Nooo. Nothing wrong with that at all.

332 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:41:26am

re: #328 RogueOne

LOL - well, I suppose cynicism (reasonable and warranted in some cases) has its perks, eh?

333 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:41:50am

re: #328 RogueOne

Oh, and to top it off make sure you let it be known you're a big fan of jury-nullification.

334 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:42:20am

re: #333 RogueOne

Oh, and to top it off make sure you let it be known you're a big fan of jury-nullification.

..or CSI. ;)

335 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:42:43am

re: #330 Varek Raith

Simple? Stand up point at one of the attorneys in the room (doesn't matter which one) and say, "You sent my daddy away! Your the one who sent my daddy away!!" Then start sobbing uncontrollably.

336 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:43:51am

I figure if I just tell them I think the guy/gal is guilty, I'm home free. ;)

337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:45:08am

re: #329 SasyMomaCat

LOL - that'll be sure to get me booted, eh? Re PL, my son was commenting on her and referred to her hairstyle as "hair balls."

Well. They come right off...

338 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:45:19am

re: #336 SasyMomaCat

I figure if I just tell them I think the guy/gal is guilty, I'm home free. ;)

No,no,no...You gotta have more flare! Say something outrageously outrageous! That way, they don't think to ever call you for jury duty again!
///;)

339 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:45:48am

re: #338 Varek Raith

No,no,no...You gotta have more flare! Say something outrageously outrageous! That way, they don't think to ever call you for jury duty again!
///;)

Carry in a copy of the constitution.

340 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:46:44am

re: #337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well. They come right off...

Upding for Spaceballs reference!

341 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:46:45am

re: #338 Varek Raith

True - could also show up in tube top and hot pants - this time of year, that would speak to my frame of mind. Heck, with my physique, it would speak to my frame of mind regardless of the temp outdoors! (let's just say that eating is my favorite vice and cooking is one of my favorite pleasures - BAAAD combination)

342 McSpiff  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:47:01am

re: #338 Varek Raith

No,no,no...You gotta have more flare! Say something outrageously outrageous! That way, they don't think to ever call you for jury duty again!
///;)

Bonus points for referring to yourself as "Arch-Bishop-Elector" or any other HRE title.

343 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:48:13am

re: #341 SasyMomaCat

my apologies for that disturbing mental image . . .

344 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:48:47am

re: #342 McSpiff

Bonus points for referring to yourself as "Arch-Bishop-Elector" or any other HRE title.

I quite fancy the title 'Supreme Imperator'.
:)

345 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:48:49am

re: #342 McSpiff

Bonus points for referring to yourself as "Arch-Bishop-Elector" or any other HRE title.

Walk in wearing either a judge's wig and robe, or an executioner's hood.

346 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:49:12am

re: #345 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Serious style points on that one . . .

347 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:49:21am

re: #342 McSpiff

Bonus points for referring to yourself as "Arch-Bishop-Elector" or any other HRE title.

Go for the high score and talk about the lizard people you commune with on a daily basis. Just hope they don't call for a psych evaluator on that one.

348 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:50:45am

re: #347 thedopefishlives

Go for the high score and talk about the lizard people you commune with on a daily basis. Just hope they don't call for a psych evaluator on that one.

They'll let it slide if you wear you're "it's 4:20 somewhere" t-shirt.

349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:50:45am

re: #344 Varek Raith

Nice...

350 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:51:28am

re: #348 RogueOne

They'll let it slide if you wear you're "it's 4:20 somewhere" t-shirt.

9-11 was an inside job.

351 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:54:06am

re: #350 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

9-11 was an inside job.

No, that one'll probably get you busted down to the local mental health facility. Although it would serve nicely to get you out of jury duty.

352 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:54:14am

running for cup #2 - brb

353 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:54:25am

re: #350 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

9-11 was an inside job.

or this t-shirt:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

354 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:54:42am

re: #350 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

9-11 was an inside job.

This, is more...crazy?

:D

355 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:55:47am

re: #354 Varek Raith

This, is more...crazy?

:D

Updinged because XKCD is one of my favorite webcomics ever.

356 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:56:54am

Good morning, all!
Have you people been up all night?

357 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:57:48am

re: #356 reine.de.tout

Good morning!

358 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:58:03am

re: #356 reine.de.tout

Good morning, all!
Have you people been up all night?

I haven't. Just woke up 30 minutes ago. Still no COFFEE!1!!
/Zombie Varek want COFFEE!
//:)

359 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:58:04am

re: #356 reine.de.tout

Good morning, all!
Have you people been up all night?

Don't I wish. Because if I had, I probably wouldn't be at work right now. >.>

360 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:58:33am

re: #356 reine.de.tout

Good morning, all!
Have you people been up all night?

D'oh!...and good morning!

361 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:58:41am

re: #358 Varek Raith

how are you functioning?!?!?!?!

362 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:59:13am

re: #361 SasyMomaCat

how are you functioning?!?!?!?!

...hmm...black magic?

363 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:59:49am

re: #362 Varek Raith

must be ;)

364 generalsparky  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:02:57am

re: #326 SasyMomaCat

I would love to be on jury duty! I am so annoyed. The only time I have ever been called for jury duty I couldn't serve because I wasn't really a resident of that state. Missouri is so messed up that they still send me voter registration cards and jury duty summons even though I haven't been a resident of that state since 1995! I have gone to the courthouse to explain that I vote elsewhere but they still can't get me off the rolls. From what I have heard my case isn't unusual in Missouri though.

365 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:03:10am

Looks like Zombie Varek scared everyone away...:(
///:)

366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:03:56am

re: #356 reine.de.tout

Good morning, all!
Have you people been up all night?

Hiya Toots!

Geaux Saints!

367 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:04:02am

Since no one's mentioned it as far as I can tell, I guess I will. Tono Romo Sucks Ass.

368 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:04:16am

re: #365 Varek Raith

Looks like Zombie Varek scared everyone away...:(
///:)

I don't like having my brains eaten for breakfast, thanks.

369 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:04:52am

re: #364 generalsparky

In all honesty, with all joking aside, I'm more than happy to serve and won't actually be trying to get out of it. However, I've been advised that, since I have more than a High School education, there's a good chance that the defense will excuse me.

370 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:05:33am

re: #369 SasyMomaCat

In all honesty, with all joking aside, I'm more than happy to serve and won't actually be trying to get out of it. However, I've been advised that, since I have more than a High School education, there's a good chance that the defense will excuse me.

Sweet! ;)

371 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:05:40am

re: #369 SasyMomaCat

In all honesty, with all joking aside, I'm more than happy to serve and won't actually be trying to get out of it. However, I've been advised that, since I have more than a High School education, there's a good chance that the defense will excuse me.

Wait... WHAT?! They'll try to excuse you because you're too smart?

372 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:05:50am

re: #367 RogueOne

This was NOT a good weekend to be a Cowboys fan. Romo didn't have much of a chance, though - they weren't covering him worth a hoot.

373 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:06:17am

re: #368 thedopefishlives

I can offer some cheese grits as a tasty alternative . . . .

374 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:06:41am

re: #358 Varek Raith

I haven't. Just woke up 30 minutes ago. Still no COFFEE!1!!
/Zombie Varek want COFFEE!
//:)

OOH.
Put your coffeepot on a timer and voila! Coffee is ready the minute you wake up.

375 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:06:44am

re: #370 Varek Raith

Sad, really . . . speaks volumes for our legal system, eh?

376 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:07:22am

re: #371 thedopefishlives

based on the experience of a few others in the area. The defense would rather not have critical thinkers on the jury.

377 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:07:46am

re: #374 reine.de.tout

OOH.
Put your coffeepot on a timer and voila! Coffee is ready the minute you wake up.

Outta coffee...:(
Kind of didn't realize until I went to make some...
/Shazbot!

378 generalsparky  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:08:20am

re: #369 SasyMomaCat

Seriously!?!

Hmmm, I wonder if I would have a better chance since I am a college dropout ;-)

379 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:08:39am

re: #366 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hiya Toots!

Geaux Saints!

heya, FBV!
Geaux Saints!

For your amusement - the four seasons in Louisiana:
Crawfish season
Football season
Hunting season
Mardi Gras season

Everything you need to make life good, right there.

380 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:08:42am

re: #377 Varek Raith

not good - any acceptable alternatives available? (soft drinks? tea? or, my personal favorite, chocolate?)

381 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:09:28am

re: #376 SasyMomaCat

based on the experience of a few others in the area. The defense would rather not have critical thinkers on the jury.

See, this is the kind of thing that I don't get. You don't have a case, so you stack the jury with people who have a low probability of having deep-thinking skills, in an attempt to game the system.

382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:09:35am

re: #367 RogueOne

Since no one's mentioned it as far as I can tell, I guess I will. Tono Romo Sucks Ass.

No, Rogue. Can't blame this on Tony.

Hard to be a QB with a 350lb lineman sitting on your chest, or standing on your throwing arm, or gangbanging you.

The offensive line gave the defensive line a free pass at the QB.

Oh, and the Vikings were really good.

383 generalsparky  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:09:43am

re: #380 SasyMomaCat

Chocolate makes everything better!

384 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:09:55am

re: #377 Varek Raith

Outta coffee...:(
Kind of didn't realize until I went to make some...
/Shazbot!

Very. Bad. News.

385 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:09:57am

re: #380 SasyMomaCat

not good - any acceptable alternatives available? (soft drinks? tea? or, my personal favorite, chocolate?)

Why yes! I do have hot chocolate!...with caffeine, no less!
/Saved me from my zombieness! :D

386 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:09:59am

re: #381 thedopefishlives

It's a crying shame, really.

387 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:10:41am

re: #383 generalsparky

Absolutely!

388 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:11:00am

re: #385 Varek Raith

glad to be of service :-D

389 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:11:37am

Lol, I forgot I had it...Brb. XD

390 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:13:40am

re: #373 SasyMomaCat

I can offer some cheese grits as a tasty alternative . . .

Actually, cheese grits sounds really good right now. What's funny is, I'm not actually a Southerner; I'm the only one in my family that can stand to even look at grits, let alone eat them. I like mine with butter and salt, too.

391 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:14:18am

re: #390 thedopefishlives

Actually, cheese grits sounds really good right now. What's funny is, I'm not actually a Southerner; I'm the only one in my family that can stand to even look at grits, let alone eat them. I like mine with butter and salt, too.

Try some Lawry's seasoning salt.
Yum.

392 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:14:52am

re: #390 thedopefishlives

Actually, that's my favorite way to have grits. Hubby likes 'em with sugar.

393 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:15:12am

re: #391 reine.de.tout

ooh, that sounds good!

394 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:15:36am

re: #391 reine.de.tout

Try some Lawry's seasoning salt.
Yum.

Ooh, now you're making me hungry. The Mrs. Fish introduced me to the wonders of Lawry's, and now I hardly ever go a day without loading up some dish with it.

395 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:17:12am

re: #394 thedopefishlives

Ooh, now you're making me hungry. The Mrs. Fish introduced me to the wonders of Lawry's, and now I hardly ever go a day without loading up some dish with it.

LOL!
My grandfather sat down to every meal with an array of condiments surrounding his plate. Before he would eat the first bite, there would be a flurry of shaking salt, tabasco sauce, pepper - whatever. He seasoned everything.

396 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:17:19am

re: #394 thedopefishlives

Lawry's and pepper on chicken is just right for throwing on the grill. (year 'round griller, here) I haven't found anything much that doesn't benefit from Lawry's. Ever tried it on buttered corn on the cob?

397 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:19:14am

re: #396 SasyMomaCat

Lawry's and pepper on chicken is just right for throwing on the grill. (year 'round griller, here) I haven't found anything much that doesn't benefit from Lawry's. Ever tried it on buttered corn on the cob?

Oh, yummy! Also to try: Tony Chachere's Creole Seasoning.

398 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:19:24am

re: #396 SasyMomaCat

Lawry's and pepper on chicken is just right for throwing on the grill. (year 'round griller, here) I haven't found anything much that doesn't benefit from Lawry's. Ever tried it on buttered corn on the cob?

No, I haven't. Corn on the cob is one of those few foods that I prefer unadulterated by seasonings. Roll it in butter, maybe a pinch of salt, and I'm good to go.

re: #395 reine.de.tout

LOL!
My grandfather sat down to every meal with an array of condiments surrounding his plate. Before he would eat the first bite, there would be a flurry of shaking salt, tabasco sauce, pepper - whatever. He seasoned everything.

My father-in-law is like that. Me, not so much; I do rely heavily on seasonings when I cook, though. It runs in the family.

399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:19:33am

re: #390 thedopefishlives

Born and bred in the South.

Can't eat a grit.

400 generalsparky  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:20:38am

re: #397 reine.de.tout

Oh, yummy! Also to try: Tony Chachere's Creole Seasoning.

That's a staple around here!

401 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:21:09am

re: #398 thedopefishlives

Not too much in terms of salt on the corn, just enough to compliment - especially good when you're grilling the corn in the husk - pull it back, add a dab of unsalted butter and sprinkle a little Lawry's . . .

402 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:21:32am

re: #400 generalsparky

That's a staple around here!

My house too.
Along with Community Dark Roast.

403 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:21:41am

re: #397 reine.de.tout

Oh, yummy! Also to try: Tony Chachere's Creole Seasoning.

Famous Dave's is the stuff to have here in the wild north country. While the linked product is mainly for pork, they also make other stuff for other types of meat.

404 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:21:46am

re: #399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's okay - we all have our shortcomings ;-)

405 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:22:25am

re: #403 thedopefishlives

Famous Dave's is the stuff to have here in the wild north country. While the linked product is mainly for pork, they also make other stuff for other types of meat.

Yum! Looks good. Saved the page - I'll order some.

406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:22:59am

I rarely ever pick up a salt or pepper shaker.

My father-in-law empties a pepper shaker twice a week. I've seen him take the shaker part off and just dump pepper. I've seen him add pepper to jelly; to ice cream....

Yeah. It's disgusting, now that you ask.

407 generalsparky  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:24:50am

re: #402 reine.de.tout

My house too.
Along with Community Dark Roast.

Community Medium Roast for us.

I keep telling my husband we need to try for orders to Barksdale. I think we would fit right in (plus we were married in Slidell so that makes us sort Louisianians already right?)

408 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:25:02am

re: #406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

ick, ick, ick! Has he completely killed his tastebuds?

Like someone else said earlier, I add very little after my food hits the table (unless mom is doing the cooking - like was discussed here the other day, didn't realize 'til I started cooking myself that she's really not to much of a cook). How does one know WHAT a plate needs if he/she doesn't try it first?

Again, ick, ick, ick . . .

409 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:26:13am

re: #406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I rarely ever pick up a salt or pepper shaker.

My father-in-law empties a pepper shaker twice a week. I've seen him take the shaker part off and just dump pepper. I've seen him add pepper to jelly; to ice cream...

Yeah. It's disgusting, now that you ask.

That does sound a bit much.
I have a friend who cannot stand one speck of pepper in her food. Claims she can taste even just a little bitty bit of pepper. I think her taste buds must be more sensitive to pepper than mine.

FBV- if you are so inclined, would you mind clicking my nic and send me an e-mail at one of the e-mail addys there?

410 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:27:24am

re: #407 generalsparky

Community Medium Roast for us.

I keep telling my husband we need to try for orders to Barksdale. I think we would fit right in (plus we were married in Slidell so that makes us sort Louisianians already right?)

Why, yes it does!
Come on down!

411 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:28:42am

re: #410 reine.de.tout

Part of my upbringing was just 15 min. from the LA line. Close enough to develop a firm appreciation for good cajun cooking, including boiled crawfish.

412 JonathanD  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:32:04am

So, Mr. Vice President, when it's warm its called climate, but when it's cold it's called weather. I get it now.

413 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:32:47am

re: #412 JonathanD

Class o' 2004, eh?

414 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:33:20am

re: #412 JonathanD

Charles isn't vice-president, alas.

415 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:33:48am

re: #405 reine.de.tout

Yum! Looks good. Saved the page - I'll order some.

I should warn you, the pork seasoning is actually more sweet than salty. It's still really good, but it may affect the way you use it, and I wouldn't want to recommend something that wouldn't taste good.

Come to think of it, I should put in some of my meat rub recipes for the next Lizard Cookbook.

416 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:34:04am

re: #414 Obdicut

That'd be pretty cool, wouldn't it? Alas, not likely with the current political system, but it's neat to imagine the possibilities . . .

417 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:37:19am

re: #415 thedopefishlives

I should warn you, the pork seasoning is actually more sweet than salty. It's still really good, but it may affect the way you use it, and I wouldn't want to recommend something that wouldn't taste good.

Come to think of it, I should put in some of my meat rub recipes for the next Lizard Cookbook.

Sweet is fine.
We'll try anything.

418 MKELLY  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:37:54am

Saying global warming does not or is not happening is stupid. Being from the UP of Michigan I believe and am a fan of global warming. Else I would be under several thousand feet of ice. I don't buy that carbon dioxide is the reason it is happening. I've looked at the evidence and studied the history and found no demonstrable proof that CO2 can or is causing the warming we see.

419 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:38:35am

re: #417 reine.de.tout

Sweet is fine.
We'll try anything.

Speaking of Famous Dave's seasoning, looks like I got the troll barbecue warmed and ready just in time.

420 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:39:40am

re: #418 MKELLY

You're a fan of global warming?
How strange.

421 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:39:44am

re: #418 MKELLY

Hmmm . . . Here since July 2007 and only have 76 comments - usually in relation to global warming. Very interesting . . .

422 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:41:18am

re: #418 MKELLY

So a complete amateur looks at the evidence and studies the history and finds no proof. A bunch of highly educated and specialized scientists study the same data and say the opposite. I know who I'd prefer to believe.

423 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:41:40am

re: #408 SasyMomaCat

Morning all.

Just a quick drive by to say hi.

SMC

"How does one know WHAT a plate needs if he/she doesn't try it first?"

Depends on how well you know the cook. Some people (the Wife) use very few spices when cooking. Others (my Mother) tends to fall in with them.

Here is a Snopes article on seasoning your food before tasting.

424 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:41:57am

re: #419 thedopefishlives

I was about to ask if it was warming up as it looks like there might be at least a couple active this a.m. A little troll would be nice with a side of grits (unless you're FBV - he can have his with cake ;-) )

425 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:43:54am

The debt outlook is increasingly bleak. Congress shows no desire to rein in spending, and is debating a heath care bill that will add even more red ink. The amount of debt owned by foreign countries is increasing, confidence in the dollar is dropping, gold prices are soaring, energy costs are rising, the trade deficit is widening and Mr. Obama's first year Gallup approval rating has fallen faster than any president since records have been kept. Connect the dots. The Obama administration is an unmitigated economic disaster for this country, and most Americans are worried about that

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

426 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:44:10am

re: #423 Bubblehead II

This is true. Hadn't considered that. Still, even when you know the cook, it seems courteous to at least give it a taste before sending the message that it's not good enough. Of course, that's just the way I approach it as an eater. YMMV

427 McSpiff  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:44:17am

re: #418 MKELLY

Saying global warming does not or is not happening is stupid. Being from the UP of Michigan I believe and am a fan of global warming. Else I would be under several thousand feet of ice. I don't buy that carbon dioxide is the reason it is happening. I've looked at the evidence and studied the history and found no demonstrable proof that CO2 can or is causing the warming we see.

That's nice. But I'll listen to the professionals if you don't mind.

428 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:45:38am

re: #426 SasyMomaCat

The Snopes piece makes that same point.

429 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:47:44am

re: #428 Bubblehead II

Ya, I did give it a look-see. Mostly a glance, though, as I'd seen that one previously. Snopes is one of my favorite places - esp. since I have a seemingly inordinate number of friends and family that will forward any urban legend that pops up in their e-mail box.

430 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:49:01am

re: #429 SasyMomaCat

Ya, I did give it a look-see. Mostly a glance, though, as I'd seen that one previously. Snopes is one of my favorite places - esp. since I have a seemingly inordinate number of friends and family that will forward any urban legend that pops up in their e-mail box.

I should think about introducing my father-in-law to Snopes. He seems to be a bit of a sucker for urban legends, conspiracy theories, and similar cons.

431 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:51:46am

re: #429 SasyMomaCat

re: #430 thedopefishlives

It's a good debunker site as well as being good for a chuckle or two.

Would love to hang around and chat, but it's time to be heading to w*ork.

May you all have a good day.

L8R

432 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:52:42am

re: #430 thedopefishlives

So long as no one turns him on to Jessie Ventura's "Conspiracy Theories." That show is deranged and dangerous, IMO.

Do you think he will actually look at it? As many times as I've pointed folks to it and seen them retract their support of something, they never seem to learn to check it out BEFORE they forward it to half their known world.

433 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:53:21am

re: #431 Bubblehead II

Have a great one!

434 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:54:38am

It is all very confusing. Time will tell. There are scientist on both sides of this issue. There is money on both sides of this issue, and there seems to be plenty of information to substantiate both sides of the issue.

Every time I get close to the AGW band wagon, information comes out to give me pause. And then some one contradicts that information, and then someone contradicts the contradicting information.

Personally, I would like to see a leader in this country put forward a program to build a couple of hundred nuclear reactors. Electric is cleaner, cheaper and eliminates our dependence on the middle east. And hey, it might help AGW. Or not. But it will help us.

435 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:55:41am

re: #432 SasyMomaCat

So long as no one turns him on to Jessie Ventura's "Conspiracy Theories." That show is deranged and dangerous, IMO.

Do you think he will actually look at it? As many times as I've pointed folks to it and seen them retract their support of something, they never seem to learn to check it out BEFORE they forward it to half their known world.

He might. The problem is that as a deeply devoted evangelical Christian, he'll go for anything any TV or radio preacher says, without question. I could point him to a dozen sites debunking the claims, and he'd still believe the minister simply because he's a man of God. I admire the sentiment, but I just wish he'd stick to letting ministry tend to his faith and logic tend to the rest. I do worry about him stumbling onto ex-Governor Ventura's program, because even though the man is a raving nutjob now, he was well-respected during his tenure as governor here, and he might actually be persuasive.

436 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:55:54am

re: #406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I rarely ever pick up a salt or pepper shaker.

My father-in-law empties a pepper shaker twice a week. I've seen him take the shaker part off and just dump pepper. I've seen him add pepper to jelly; to ice cream...

Yeah. It's disgusting, now that you ask.

I'll take it that your mother-in-law sucks at cooking. Zedushka has the same habit. I said to him, "Why don't you taste the food before you salt and pepper it to death?"

It's a habit he got into to kill the taste of his mother's cooking. I leave the salt and pepper shakers in the pantry and let him hunt for them.

437 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:00:13am

re: #435 thedopefishlives

See, I just don't get that. The "man of God" is still just a man. He is human an fallible. As Paul said, "follow me as I follow Christ." That means that the follower should be aware and cease to follow when the "man of God" departs from following Christ and starts preaching opinion and/or politics. Just because one is a devout Christian doesn't give an excuse for checking one's brains at the door.

(I say this as a PK - if you want to know how human a minister is, ask one of his or her adult children)

438 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:05:40am

re: #437 SasyMomaCat

See, I just don't get that. The "man of God" is still just a man. He is human an fallible. As Paul said, "follow me as I follow Christ." That means that the follower should be aware and cease to follow when the "man of God" departs from following Christ and starts preaching opinion and/or politics. Just because one is a devout Christian doesn't give an excuse for checking one's brains at the door.

(I say this as a PK - if you want to know how human a minister is, ask one of his or her adult children)

Well, see, they couch their political and other general opinions in Biblical language to make it appear that what they're teaching is Scriptural truth, when in reality, it's nothing even close to that. Any critical analysis of the teachings against the actual Scriptures would reveal that, but sadly, that's something he hasn't been bringing himself to do.

439 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:06:17am

buying off the unions again...who's next?...this adim continues to stiff the taxpayers

[Link: washingtontimes.com...]

440 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:09:59am

re: #438 thedopefishlives

Oh, yes, I'm certainly familiar with the tactic. I've heard many sermons preached about politics from a variety of pulpits. And, in some circles, it is verboten to question the minister's declarations or any church teachings. It's tantamount to heresy to ask or entertain any questions. In those environments, I see one of two things happening. Either a person's faith will die or his/her critical thinking ability will die. It's terribly sad when a person allows someone else to do all of the thinking for them. (I suppose that's the appeal for some - they don't have to think because it's all laid out plainly for them.)

441 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:11:08am

Mexican citizens fighting back the old fashioned way...sounds like Las Vegas, NM circa 1875...it worked then too

The signs, taped to their bodies, read, "This is what is going to happen to all the rats who rob houses, cars, pedestrians. Let the rats be advised," all on the same type of paper in what appears to be the same handwriting, prosecutors said.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

442 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:13:56am

re: #441 albusteve

Sounds like someone is trying to take back their community. What else is left when the police are either corrupt or completely ineffective?

443 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:14:16am

re: #440 SasyMomaCat

In particular, my father-in-law is older and also much worn from the stress of life - he runs his own business, among other things. I think he's just getting to the point where he doesn't want to have to think about anything anymore, and really, who can blame him? It just sucks to see it happening. For the record, I've also been well-acquainted with some of the types where questioning the minister is severely frowned upon; my family got thrown out of such a church. It came out later that the minister in question wound up getting dismissed later on, and we were vindicated.

444 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:14:50am

re: #440 SasyMomaCat
You know my sister?

445 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:16:12am

re: #443 thedopefishlives

Oh, gosh - sorry to hear about that experience for you and your family. That can be very difficult.

Also sorry to hear about your FIL. It's sad to see someone too tired from life to do more than give in.

446 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:16:44am

Lynch mobs turn on looters amid Haiti aid crisis

reports spread of a woman decapitated for whatever she had been carrying near one of the few functioning markets. Police shot and killed a man suspected of looting. Where police failed to intervene, crowds resorted to lynching, leaving fresh bodies on streets just cleared of those left by the earthquake.

really starting to get ugly in Haiti...will foreign troops be able to maintain order?

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

447 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:16:59am

re: #444 filetandrelease

LOL - I know lots of folks that fit that description, so maybe! :)

448 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:18:01am

re: #446 albusteve

Will they be allowed to maintain order?

449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:18:23am

re: #446 albusteve

Horrible situation. I am not at all surprised of a further descent.

450 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:18:26am

re: #445 SasyMomaCat

Oh, gosh - sorry to hear about that experience for you and your family. That can be very difficult.

Also sorry to hear about your FIL. It's sad to see someone too tired from life to do more than give in.

The family story was a long time ago, it's just one of those memories that never really fades away. It's a large part of the reason why I'm not currently going down the same reason as my father-in-law. And yeah, it is sad, especially to the Mrs. Fish, who got to see him in his prime, when he was sharp as a tack and a wonderfully inventive man.

451 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:18:43am

Another story about a guy having a seizure and gets tazed by the police:

[Link: www.wcfcourier.com...]

WATERLOO - A Waterloo man is taking the city to court after police shocked him with a Taser following a seizure at a convenience store in February 2009.

The attorney for Todd Keller, 39, said in the suit that officers violated his client's Constitutional rights against unreasonable search and seizure and cruel and unusual punishment.

452 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:18:43am

re: #442 SasyMomaCat

Sounds like someone is trying to take back their community. What else is left when the police are either corrupt or completely ineffective?

only the bad guys have guns in Mexico....it is very difficult for citizens to arm themselves down there....thank god for our 2nd Amendment eh?

453 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:19:46am

re: #449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Horrible situation. I am not at all surprised of a further descent.

me neither...it will most likely get worse

454 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:20:04am

re: #450 thedopefishlives

(((((Mrs. Fish)))))

It's hard to start losing those you love. In essence, I think that where he is is where my folks were several years ago and it's not easy to watch.

455 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:21:18am

re: #450 thedopefishlives

Oh, and, yes, those encounters follow you for the rest of your life. They make a permanent mark on the memory and impact the way you look at things in ways that you might not initially think. It's surprising how far reaching the impact of those events can be.

456 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:21:38am

Best wishes for a commemorative MLK Day to all American lizards.

457 MKelly  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:23:39am

re: #422 thedopefishlives

You have no idea what I am nor what my profession is so your comment is only meant to be insulting not to have a discussion.

458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:24:21am

*Snicker*

After Obama Rally, Dems Pin Blame On Bush
January 17, 2010 6:16 PM %P% Permalink %P% Comments (1142) %P%
By Felicia Sonmez


As audience members streamed out of Pres. Obama's rally on behalf of AG Martha Coakley (D) here tonight, the consensus was that the fault for Coakley's now-floundering MA SEN bid lies with one person -- George W. Bush.

"People are upset because there's so many problems," Rosemary Kverek, 70, a retired Charleston schoolteacher said as tonight's rally wrapped up. "But the problems came from the previous administration. So we're blaming poor Obama, who's working 36 hours a day ... to solve these problems that he inherited."

Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI), speaking with a gaggle of reporters after the event, said that while state Sen. Scott Brown (R) offers voters a quick fix, in reality, the problems created by "George Bush and his cronies" are not so easily solved.

459 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:24:26am

re: #457 MKelly

Right back at you.

460 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:24:32am

re: #457 MKelly

A better rebuttal would be to explain the qualifications that refute the assumption that you're an amateur.

461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:26:05am

re: #457 MKelly

That is correct. We have no idea who you are. You show up now and then. Poop in the punchbowl and walk away.

Stick around. Engage in conversation, let us know who you are, then we'll take you more seriously.

Not a shot. I'm just sayin'...

462 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:26:55am

re: #457 MKelly

You have no idea what I am nor what my profession is so your comment is only meant to be insulting not to have a discussion.

assuming "a complete amature" is not really an insult imo

463 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:27:13am

re: #458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Charming, aren't they? For the next 40 years, every problem the Democrats come up against is going to be Bush's Fault (tm).

464 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:28:07am

re: #462 albusteve

I agree - on the subject of AGW, I definitely resemble that remark. I'm also a complete amateur on many other subjects, too.

465 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:28:16am

Protest in Maricopa Co. AZ against Sheriff Joe turns ugly:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

This link has plenty of links to other sources, including video:

[Link: gamso-forthedefense.blogspot.com...]

One of the videos:

Youtube Video

I'm betting this is a lesson that kid will never forget.

466 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:29:38am

time to rock and roll....this could get interesting

PORT-AU-PRINCE, HAITI - More than 7,000 U.S. troops are due to arrive Monday to help keep order on Haiti's increasingly lawless streets, where aid is still not getting to desperate earthquake survivors.

Read more: [Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

467 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:30:57am

re: #462 albusteve

assuming "a complete amature" is not really an insult imo

Yeah, I hadn't intended on insulting anyone. It's just that unless you're a professional climatologist, you are - by definition - an amateur. And even if you ARE a professional climatologist and disagree with AGW, that's still one against many more.

468 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:36:08am

re: #458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LOL, no wonder she is going down. Pitiful. And I read this morning that the ralley with Obama was only 3/4 full. Lots of empty seats.

469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:37:51am

re: #468 filetandrelease

I'd go see Obama. He has become a cultural icon. I saw Jimmy Carter once, the only President I've ever seen in person.

Saw Dan Quayle once. He made a blunder. That made it worth my trip.

470 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:38:50am

re: #469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I would love to have a beer with him.

471 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:38:59am

re: #468 filetandrelease

I still think she'll win.

472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:39:18am

re: #470 filetandrelease

Oh, heck yeah.

473 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:41:09am

re: #471 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It is going to be close.

474 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:41:12am

re: #470 filetandrelease

I would love to have a beer with him.

Dan Quayle?

475 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:43:17am

re: #469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'd go see Obama. He has become a cultural icon. I saw Jimmy Carter once, the only President I've ever seen in person.

Saw Dan Quayle once. He made a blunder. That made it worth my trip.

I still believe the 2nd happiest person on the planet the night of Obama's election was Dan Quayle. Joe Biden makes Quayle look like a Rhodes scholar.

476 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:43:17am

200 dead in six weeks...just a few minutes from San Diego
[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

477 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:45:50am

re: #474 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Obama actually. It would be a much more spirited conversation with Obama. Such that the SS would most likely escort me to the door after a few pints.

478 ryannon  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:46:09am

re: #397 reine.de.tout

Oh, yummy! Also to try: Tony Chachere's Creole Seasoning.

Day-am. I put Indian curry on everything. Everything goes with curry except maybe watermelon.

479 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:46:16am

We are now hearing predictions of up to 200,000 fatalities in Port-au-Prince, with many thousands of others severely maimed or otherwise greivously injured.
Considering the small size of the affected area, this has got to be right up there with the worst natural disasters of modern history in terms of deaths per square mile.

480 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:47:05am

re: #458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is that from The Onion?

481 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:48:16am

re: #478 ryannon

Day-am. I put Indian curry on everything. Everything goes with curry except maybe watermelon.

Oooh, I looove curry. My wife makes curried rice to go with a lot of our dinners. Om nom nom.

482 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:49:46am

re: #480 MandyManners

Is that from The Onion?

And a good morning to you, {Mandy}.

483 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:50:06am

re: #480 MandyManners

g'mornin', Mandy!

484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:50:59am

re: #480 MandyManners

Is that from The Onion?

Heh.

Nope...

485 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:54:11am

re: #482 thedopefishlives

re: #483 SasyMomaCat

Good morning to you, too!

486 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:54:31am

re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh.

Nope...

Fucking pathetic.

487 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:54:56am

re: #485 MandyManners

re: #483 SasyMomaCat

Good morning to you, too!

You missed the troll droppings earlier, but that's okay. I'm sure they'll be back before too long.

488 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:56:13am

re: #487 thedopefishlives

You missed the troll droppings earlier, but that's okay. I'm sure they'll be back before too long.

No one roasted the buttocks?

489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:56:49am

re: #488 MandyManners

No one roasted the buttocks?

Two posts, the "Brave Sir Robin" act.

490 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:56:49am

re: #487 thedopefishlives

Ya, one of them is still here (the one that said he/she wanted to engage in conversation, but hasn't posted since his/her initial post except to get irritated at being identified as an amateur)

491 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:56:57am

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

The New Castle County Police Department shot a 16-year-old high school student with a Taser, permanently injuring him, and sicced a police dog on the kid as he stood in his driveway waiting for the school bus, though he did not match the description of their suspect and the cops had gone to the wrong address, the student claims in Delaware Federal Court.

The only new story I could find says the kid was actually 19 and he didn't hear the police because he was listening to his Ipod. See what happens when you use Apple products?

492 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:57:07am

re: #488 MandyManners

No one roasted the buttocks?

Of course I did, silly. You hungry? I have bacon-wrapped troll buttocks with potatoes and grilled corn on the cob.

493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:57:47am

re: #491 RogueOne

I'd hate to be a cop. I'm glad they are there. But I'd hate to be a cop.

494 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:59:07am

re: #493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Agreed. The good ones - the ones that really are motivated to protect and serve - are severely underpaid and under-appreciated. And they have to put up with the negative image invited by their less honorable "brothers in blue."

495 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:59:10am


Islamic games cancelled in Arab-Iran row over Persian Gulf name
The Islamic Solidarity Games, designed to strengthen ties among Muslim nations, have been cancelled after a dispute between Arab countries and Iran over the name of the waterway dividing them.

there is no joy in Islam

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

496 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:59:30am
UN climate body to review Himalayan glacier forecast
The head of the UN's top body on climate change said Monday the panel would investigate claims its doomsday prediction for the disappearance of Himalayan glaciers might be mistaken.
In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) warned that glaciers in the Himalayas were receding faster than in any other part of the world and could "disappear altogether by 2035 if not sooner".

At the weekend, Britain's Sunday Times newspaper reported that the 2035 claim was taken from an interview given by an Indian glaciologist to New Scientist magazine in 1999.
The claim -- which was of questionable scientific value and may not have been backed up by research, according to the paper -- was used by campaign group WWF before making its way into the IPCC's research in 2007.

"We will take a view of this," IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri said in comments broadcast on the CNN-IBN network.
"We are studying the new evidence," the Hindustan Times newspaper quoted Pachauri as saying on Monday when asked to comment on the report.
The Sunday Times said the IPCC was likely to retract the figure, which would be a humiliation and a further boost for climate sceptics after a scandal last month dubbed "climategate."
The role of the IPCC is to provide a consensus of credible scientific evidence on climate change that can be used as a basis for international policymaking.


[Link: www.newsmeat.com...]

Could the UNIPCC look any lamer?

497 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:59:45am

This is a good thread to fire up the jukebox and jam to the greatest rock and roll song of all time. Deep Purple - Burn

498 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:00:01am

re: #495 albusteve

Don't think it's likely to see too many demonstrations of unity there ....

499 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:00:25am

re: #494 SasyMomaCat

Agreed. The good ones - (THE VAST MAJORITY) the ones that really are motivated to protect and serve - are severely underpaid and under-appreciated. And they have to put up with the negative image invited by their less honorable "brothers in blue."

a little fixin'.

500 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:00:56am

re: #496 Spare O'Lake

Could the UNIPCC look any lamer?

No.

501 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:01:00am

re: #499 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

certainly - it's always a few bad apples that spoil the bunch.

502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:01:23am

re: #495 albusteve

there is no joy in Islam...

The mighty Imam has struck out.

503 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:01:54am

re: #502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Upding for "Casey at the Bat" reference . . .

504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:02:02am

Young Frankenstein is on AMC.

505 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:02:39am

re: #489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Two posts, the "Brave Sir Robin" act.

Huh?

506 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:02:50am

Remember the philadelphia swim club that kicked out all the black kids? Feds filed a lawsuit:

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]


PHILADELPHIA (CN) - Federal prosecutors sued a suburban swimming club that made national news last June when it booted out 66 black and Latino kids whose club had paid $1,950 for use of the pool. Prosecutors said the Valley Club of Huntingdon Valley canceled the contract because most of the kids were black.
As the story became national news, much of the focus was on statements made by the club's president, who said that the arrival of so many campers brought about a "change of complexion" at the swim club.

507 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:03:04am

re: #492 thedopefishlives

Of course I did, silly. You hungry? I have bacon-wrapped troll buttocks with potatoes and grilled corn on the cob.

I was hoping for some scrambled eggs.

508 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:04:10am

re: #507 MandyManners

scrambled eggs with bell-pepper and bacon crumbles, sprinkled with colby-jack - coming right up. OJ or Coffee?

509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:04:25am

re: #505 MandyManners

Huh?

He ran away, he bravely ran away, away...Brave Sir Robin...

510 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:04:27am

re: #493 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'd hate to be a cop. I'm glad they are there. But I'd hate to be a cop.

The whole "oops, wrong address" thing seems to happen way too often. Maybe someone should get them a google maps app for their phones.

511 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:04:51am

ME pitching in for Haiti...except KSA...I hate those guys

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

512 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:04:52am

re: #495 albusteve

The Saudi-based Islamic Solidarity Games Federation says they cancelled the sporting event, which were meant to be held in Tehran in the spring, after Iran put "Persian Gulf" on the logo.

Arabs call the waterway the Arabian Gulf and many were offended by references to its other common name.

I refer to it as the Fifth Fleet Gulf.

513 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:04:54am

re: #506 RogueOne

Remember the philadelphia swim club that kicked out all the black kids? Feds filed a lawsuit:

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

Good. That story pissed me off beyond belief.

514 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:05:06am

re: #500 filetandrelease

No.

Apparently the science isn't quite as "settled" as many would have us "amateurs" believe.

515 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:05:11am

re: #508 SasyMomaCat

scrambled eggs with bell-pepper and bacon crumbles, sprinkled with colby-jack - coming right up. OJ or Coffee?

Both?

516 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:05:15am

re: #507 MandyManners

I was hoping for some scrambled eggs.

I made an andoule sausage with white cheddar omelet this morning. And I put pepper on it.

517 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:05:31am

Happy Martin Luther King Day, Lizards!

How was the weekend and what is happening now?

518 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:05:41am

re: #515 MandyManners

You got it. Grits or hashbrowns?

519 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:07:21am

re: #502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

there is no joy in Islam...

The mighty Imam has struck out.

speaking of which...the MonsterMosque to be built in London, next to the Olympic venue?...plans have crashed and the tenants already there have been told to move off the property...

520 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:07:35am

re: #506 RogueOne

Remember the philadelphia swim club that kicked out all the black kids? Feds filed a lawsuit:

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

City of Brotherly Love?

521 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:07:37am

re: #517 ggt

g'mornin'! Gettin' Mandy some eggs and beverages to go with her bacon-wrapped troll buttocks . . .

522 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:07:59am

re: #512 Mich-again

I refer to it as the Fifth Fleet Gulf.

the Gulf of Nimitz?...that one?

523 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:08:31am

re: #518 SasyMomaCat

I made a big pot of grits for the kids and me for breakfast just before signing on. Covered with brown sugar and maple syrup. mmm

524 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:08:44am

re: #509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He ran away, he bravely ran away, away...Brave Sir Robin...

Oh, stop bitching and let's go have tea.

525 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:08:52am

re: #519 albusteve

Too bad, so sad...

526 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:08:59am

re: #523 Mich-again

yummy!

527 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:09:13am

re: #516 filetandrelease

I made an andoule sausage with white cheddar omelet this morning. And I put pepper on it.

I'm in love.

528 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:09:29am

re: #527 MandyManners

I'm in love.

Mandy - check yer e-mail.

529 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:09:55am

re: #522 albusteve

the Gulf of Nimitz?...that one?

Thats it.
On a related note, how does an Iranian Admiral review his fleet?

With a glass-bottomed boat.

530 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:09:56am

re: #518 SasyMomaCat

You got it. Grits or hashbrowns?

Hashbrowns.

531 Ericus58  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:10:26am
Youtube Video

Footage from IDF Field Hospital in Haiti, Including Baby Delivered There, Named 'Israel'

532 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:10:46am

re: #530 MandyManners

Hashbrowns.

No doubt...

533 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:11:44am

re: #528 reine.de.tout

Backatcha'.

534 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:12:35am

Where was the troll?

535 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:12:38am

"GIVE HIM THE SEG-A-GIVE!"

536 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:12:49am

Gotta run, gang - hope you have a great day! Depending on selection, I'll "see" you in a few days or a few weeks. I'll leave you with a couple of big platters of eggs and hashbrowns on the buffet - stay scaly!

537 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:13:24am

re: #527 MandyManners
You should try my gumbo, but then I would have to keep you like that furry little cat that shows up every morning for milk.

She did bring me a rat a few days ago, so I suppose it is a fair trade off.

538 Ericus58  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:13:47am

ROCK STAR!! FIRED UP!!

Youtube Video
539 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:13:50am

re: #534 MandyManners

Where was the troll?

Go down around comment #420 or so and you'll see them both within a short span of each other.

540 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:14:01am

I saw a sign yesterday outside a meat shop: "GAME ACCEPTED FOR SAUSAGE".
Does this mean what I think it means, and if so does anyone have a spare barf bag?

541 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:14:21am

maybe I should not even post this...talk about heartbreaking, it's hard to believe things could be this way....

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

542 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:14:51am

J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets..

Maybe we'll be blessed with another Suzy Kolber interview with a struggahling Joe Namath.

543 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:15:38am

re: #534 MandyManners

Where was the troll?

twas a very minor little thing...hardly a troll, just a guy who had a different point of view...that's allowed

544 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:17:14am

re: #541 albusteve

maybe I should not even post this...talk about heartbreaking, it's hard to believe things could be this way...

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

I saw that yesterday and just cried.

545 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:17:47am

re: #541 albusteve

Just read that. Heartbreaking.

546 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:17:56am

The guys from Politco referenced this story about Elizabeth Edwards on Morning Joe today.

[Link: www.politico.com...]


'St. Elizabeth's' friends ask: How would you have acted?

Some of Elizabeth Edwards’s closest aides would like to respond to the relentlessly negative portrait of her that emerges from a new book on the 2008 campaign.

They say it’s all true.

But they would also like readers of the book to consider something else: If you had to go through what she did, how would you have acted?


547 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:18:17am

re: #537 filetandrelease

You should try my gumbo, but then I would have to keep you like that furry little cat that shows up every morning for milk.

She did bring me a rat a few days ago, so I suppose it is a fair trade off.

I don't like rats but, I do have a hamster I can bring.

548 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:18:33am

re: #539 thedopefishlives

Go down around comment #420 or so and you'll see them both within a short span of each other.

bbiab

549 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:19:30am

re: #540 Spare O'Lake

I saw a sign yesterday outside a meat shop: "GAME ACCEPTED FOR SAUSAGE".
Does this mean what I think it means, and if so does anyone have a spare barf bag?

couple of businesses near me that will dress, butcher and proccess anything you bring in...make sausage or, usually smoke it for you....very popular...they do it right outdoors in front....mmmmm

550 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:19:51am

re: #539 thedopefishlives

Go down around comment #420 or so and you'll see them both within a short span of each other.

Eh. They seem rather tame.

551 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:20:17am

re: #541 albusteve

maybe I should not even post this...talk about heartbreaking, it's hard to believe things could be this way...

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

Rough. I assume everyone talked about what a man Sanjay Gupta is yesterday?

552 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:20:18am

re: #540 Spare O'Lake

I saw a sign yesterday outside a meat shop: "GAME ACCEPTED FOR SAUSAGE".
Does this mean what I think it means, and if so does anyone have a spare barf bag?

Meat is not born in little styrofoam packages.

553 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:20:35am

re: #458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*Snicker*

After Obama Rally, Dems Pin Blame On Bush
January 17, 2010 6:16 PM %P% Permalink %P% Comments (1142) %P%
By Felicia Sonmez


As audience members streamed out of Pres. Obama's rally on behalf of AG Martha Coakley (D) here tonight, the consensus was that the fault for Coakley's now-floundering MA SEN bid lies with one person -- George W. Bush.

"People are upset because there's so many problems," Rosemary Kverek, 70, a retired Charleston schoolteacher said as tonight's rally wrapped up. "But the problems came from the previous administration. So we're blaming poor Obama, who's working 36 hours a day ... to solve these problems that he inherited."

Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI), speaking with a gaggle of reporters after the event, said that while state Sen. Scott Brown (R) offers voters a quick fix, in reality, the problems created by "George Bush and his cronies" are not so easily solved.

He casued the earthquake in Haiti too!
/

554 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:20:45am

re: #550 MandyManners

Eh. They seem rather tame.

Yeah, nothing big. I wish they'd stuck around to give us a real fight.

555 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:21:24am

re: #553 ggt

No. That was the Copenhagen Conference.

556 filetandrelease  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:21:30am

re: #547 MandyManners

I don't like rats but, I do have a hamster I can bring.


Thats good, because the rat isn't doing well. Don't mind the iron horse in the drive way, his bark is worse than his bite.

557 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:22:15am

re: #544 reine.de.tout

I saw that yesterday and just cried.

I've seen a lot of serious poverty down in Jamaica but never combined with this kind of fear, desperation and pain...I don't know if I could take it first hand, I'm kind of whimpy like that

558 MandyManners  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:23:05am

bbiab

559 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:23:14am

re: #551 RogueOne

Rough. I assume everyone talked about what a man Sanjay Gupta is yesterday?

covered for the UN, who cut and run...just another reason I despise the UN

560 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:23:23am

Good Monday morning and Happy MLK Day to everyone! I hope everyone had a great weekend?

561 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:23:29am

re: #557 albusteve

I've seen a lot of serious poverty down in Jamaica but never combined with this kind of fear, desperation and pain...I don't know if I could take it first hand, I'm kind of whimpy like that


And our soldiers are going down to do just that. I give a lot of credit to all the relief workers.

562 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:23:35am

How to get your kids to leave home.
Caution: This is completely tasteless.

Youtube Video
563 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:23:51am

re: #496 Spare O'Lake

Saw a great documentary on the sun yesterday. One thing they got into was the maunder minimum. Now we are in another extended minimum solar spot activity period. Which they perhaps associate with cooler climate.
Is this reducing the AGW, and when we get our sun spots back-look out for a real acceleration? I have not seen these issues addressed together. Anyone got a link or anything?

564 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:24:02am

re: #561 ggt

And our soldiers are going down to do just that. I give a lot of credit to all the relief workers.

I do too.
I would not be able to take it.
Just could not.

565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:24:17am

re: #557 albusteve

Went on a cruise once, we jumped off at the "Straw Market" in Nassau... people stepping off of a luxury liner to negotiate with folks for 10 t-shirts for a dollar. I was kind of ashamed. Left there, went for a walk.

Don't have to walk far to see some pretty bad shit.

Didn't enjoy the cruise after that....

566 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:26:19am

re: #553 ggt

So we're blaming poor Obama, who's working 36 hours a day ... to solve these problems that he inherited."

What a stupid thing to say. Heck why stop at 36 hours per day. I bet he's really working a million hours a day!

567 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:27:04am

re: #549 albusteve

couple of businesses near me that will dress, butcher and proccess anything you bring in...make sausage or, usually smoke it for you...very popular...they do it right outdoors in front...mmm

I have no problem with meat.
It's the visual effect of grinding the organs, antlers and hooves that gave me pause.

568 tradewind  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:27:26am

re: #553 ggt
Eliot Engel says the Dems will slow walk a Brown win via a Slow Count.
Well, as Stalin said, ( to paraphrase) makes no diff who casts the votes...it's who counts the votes.

569 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:28:10am

re: #567 Spare O'Lake

I have no problem with meat.
It's the visual effect of grinding the organs, antlers and hooves that gave me pause.

Thats the same reason I can't bear to watch C-span when they are showing Congress at work.

570 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:28:15am

re: #562 reine.de.tout

Boy am I glad I don't have kids!

571 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:28:18am

re: #562 reine.de.tout

Heard a joke...

Man calls his son and says, "Son. This is been in the making for years, but, your mother and I have finally agreed to a divorce. We're going to an attorney next Wednesday."
Son says, "Dad? Don't do a thing! Don't talk to an attorney! I'll call sister and we'll be there by next Tuesday! Don't do anything!"
Man hangs up, picks up his newspaper, looks over at his wife and says, "The kids are coming for Thanksgiving. We don't even have to buy their plane tickets."

572 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:28:18am

re: #565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Went on a cruise once, we jumped off at the "Straw Market" in Nassau... people stepping off of a luxury liner to negotiate with folks for 10 t-shirts for a dollar. I was kind of ashamed. Left there, went for a walk.

Don't have to walk far to see some pretty bad shit.

Didn't enjoy the cruise after that...

I hit all the famed tourists markets in Jamaica...disgusting what tourists will do to the locals...I've bargained myself, but the more I went there I could see it was not cool for me...and I've seen expats at farmers markets there, inland away from tourists, who would haggle over a penny or two difference in the price per pound for onions....pisses me off

573 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:28:22am

re: #568 tradewind

Eliot Engel says the Dems will slow walk a Brown win via a Slow Count.
Well, as Stalin said, ( to paraphrase) makes no diff who casts the votes...it's who counts the votes.

Yep, It's all about the votes. Nothing more, Nothing less.

574 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:29:01am

re: #567 Spare O'Lake

or "Paws"?

575 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:29:38am

re: #565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Went on a cruise once, we jumped off at the "Straw Market" in Nassau... people stepping off of a luxury liner to negotiate with folks for 10 t-shirts for a dollar. I was kind of ashamed. Left there, went for a walk.

Don't have to walk far to see some pretty bad shit.

Didn't enjoy the cruise after that...

FBV - On one cruise I took, the excursion director told everyone that the Mexican government had asked cruise lines to ask their passengers to NOT BUY the chiclets from the kids at the dock. People would keep their kids out of school to sell the chiclets, and the Mexican gov't wanted people to put their kids in school, and was hoping reduced chiclet sales would convince people to keep their kids in school. HOW DAMNED AWFUL IS THAT?

I never bartered or bargained - I paid what they asked if I thought it was reasonable - I have the great good fortune to be able to afford a cruise, who am I to bargain over a $2 T-shirt?

576 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:30:44am

re: #552 MandyManners

Meat is not born in little styrofoam packages.

There's meat in sausage?

577 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:30:56am

re: #575 reine.de.tout

FBV - On one cruise I took, the excursion director told everyone that the Mexican government had asked cruise lines to ask their passengers to NOT BUY the chiclets from the kids at the dock. People would keep their kids out of school to sell the chiclets, and the Mexican gov't wanted people to put their kids in school, and was hoping reduced chiclet sales would convince people to keep their kids in school. HOW DAMNED AWFUL IS THAT?

I never bartered or bargained - I paid what they asked if I thought it was reasonable - I have the great good fortune to be able to afford a cruise, who am I to bargain over a $2 T-shirt?

578 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:31:56am

re: #577 ggt

I'll try that again.

I feel the same way about tipping waiters/waitresses. What? is a dollar to me?

579 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:32:07am

re: #565 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Went on a cruise once, we jumped off at the "Straw Market" in Nassau... people stepping off of a luxury liner to negotiate with folks for 10 t-shirts for a dollar. I was kind of ashamed. Left there, went for a walk.

Don't have to walk far to see some pretty bad shit.

Didn't enjoy the cruise after that...

Speaking of cruises....WTF is wrong with people!!
Cruise ship docks at private beach in Haiti for barbeque and water sports
[Link: www.boingboing.net...]


The Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines' ship Independence of the Seas went ahead with its scheduled stop at a fenced-in private Haitian beach surrounded by armed guards, leaving its passengers to "cut loose" on the beach, just a few kilometers from one of the worst humanitarian disasters in the region's history. The ship's owners justified it as a humanitarian call, because the ship also delivered 40 palettes of relief supplies while its passengers frolicked on zip-lines and ate barbeque within the 12-foot-high fence's perimeter.

580 tradewind  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:32:15am

re: #511 albusteve
Well, there's this...

Saudi King Abdullah, meanwhile, has sent a message of condolence to Haitian President René Préval.


Our Compassionate Friends, The Saudis.
...and the camel they rode in on.

581 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:32:27am

re: #570 Dragon_Lady

Boy am I glad I don't have kids!

I have one daughter, she will graduate from HS this year.
I never thought I'd say this - but I am ready for her to leave home.
I love her with all my heart, and my life would be over if anything happened to her.
But it's simply time for her to go.

582 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:33:42am

re: #579 RogueOne

Haiti needs the business more today than it did last Monday.

583 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:36:10am

re: #581 reine.de.tout

I have one daughter, she will graduate from HS this year.
I never thought I'd say this - but I am ready for her to leave home.
I love her with all my heart, and my life would be over if anything happened to her.
But it's simply time for her to go.

My son is in high school and I begginning to feel that way too. Makes me feel good in a way. You ARE suppossed to feel that way --it's healthy. You've done a good job and haven't become too neurotic over your kid.

584 albusteve  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:36:23am

re: #575 reine.de.tout

FBV - On one cruise I took, the excursion director told everyone that the Mexican government had asked cruise lines to ask their passengers to NOT BUY the chiclets from the kids at the dock. People would keep their kids out of school to sell the chiclets, and the Mexican gov't wanted people to put their kids in school, and was hoping reduced chiclet sales would convince people to keep their kids in school. HOW DAMNED AWFUL IS THAT?

I never bartered or bargained - I paid what they asked if I thought it was reasonable - I have the great good fortune to be able to afford a cruise, who am I to bargain over a $2 T-shirt?

exactly...a fine woodcarving that would fetch $200 in the states and some woman was arguing down from $30 bucks...I stepped in and gave the guy $50 for...it's a beautiful carving of a womans head about 8in tall...simply perfect and so finely detailed...I'm looking at her this minute...

585 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:38:03am

re: #583 ggt

My son is in high school and I begginning to feel that way too. Makes me feel good in a way. You ARE suppossed to feel that way --it's healthy. You've done a good job and haven't become too neurotic over your kid.

ggt - You don't say what grade your son is in, or if you have other kids - but let me tell you - "senioritis" is strong. She's ready to quit being treated like a kid, but of course the school has to have the same standards for all the kids there.

586 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:38:13am

re: #582 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Haiti needs the business more today than it did last Monday.

Throwing a party on a beach where they're piling up bodies on the other side of the fence is asking a heaping helping of bad karma.

587 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:38:37am

re: #581 reine.de.tout

I have one daughter, she will graduate from HS this year.
I never thought I'd say this - but I am ready for her to leave home.
I love her with all my heart, and my life would be over if anything happened to her.
But it's simply time for her to go.

You're handling this rather gracefully. Just do me a favor - don't get upset if the kid seems eager to move on. My mother refused to call me for two weeks after I left for college because I accidentally offended her on moving weekend, saying that I was okay and she could go home with Dad.

588 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:38:55am

re: #549 albusteve

couple of businesses near me that will dress, butcher and proccess anything you bring in...make sausage or, usually smoke it for you...very popular...they do it right outdoors in front...mmm

When I was in high school I was a member of the FFA (Future Farmers of America) and we raised baby chickens from eggs and at the end of the school year the teacher had them all slaughtered for a BBQ. Needless to say no one showed up and he had to get rid of the meat. I didn't eat chicken for at least two years after that, which pissed off my parents no end. Doesn't bother me now, but there's just something about raising it yourself then trying to eat it that just seems wrong. Don't get me wrong, I eat beef, which we also raised at school and steers are mean, smelly and dirty creatures but to raise one then slaughter it for food seems like an act of betrayal to me. Most of the kids that raised them treated them like pets (yuk) but wouldn't eat them after the slaughter. I guess I'm a softie at heart. I just couldn't do it. But give me a piece of rare steak and I'm in heaven. What can I say?

589 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:43:37am

re: #587 thedopefishlives

You're handling this rather gracefully. Just do me a favor - don't get upset if the kid seems eager to move on. My mother refused to call me for two weeks after I left for college because I accidentally offended her on moving weekend, saying that I was okay and she could go home with Dad.

LOL.
She's already told me she is anxious to leave.
Thing is . . . I can recall feeling the exact same way.
It had nothing at all to do with my parents, and everything to do with me simply being ready to move on to the next stage of my life.

So - no - I'm not offended.

Parents are hard-wired to hold onto and protect their children.
Children are hard-wired to fight off that protection in order to be able to mature and move on.
It's life.

590 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:44:31am

re: #581 reine.de.tout

I have one daughter, she will graduate from HS this year.
I never thought I'd say this - but I am ready for her to leave home.
I love her with all my heart, and my life would be over if anything happened to her.
But it's simply time for her to go.

You're a good Mom! When I turned 21 my folks insisted on buying me my first legal drink right on my birthday when RWC took me out to dinner for the occasion. Quite a surprise when they showed up but a good one. Made me feel good that they were letting me know they weren't going to keep me latched to their sides for the rest of my life. (I'm the only girl in a brood of 5 kids). Gotta let go when their ready! It's hard, but necessary.

591 Donna Ballard  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:53:54am

re: #583 ggt

My son is in high school and I begginning to feel that way too. Makes me feel good in a way. You ARE suppossed to feel that way --it's healthy. You've done a good job and haven't become too neurotic over your kid.

The best way to hold on to your kids is to let them go, my Mom always says. My parents were great that way and I'm closer to them now than when I lived at home. I go shopping with my Mom every week, and I go over a couple of times a month to help her with the housework. I enjoy spending the time with them more now then I did as a teen or when I first got married.

592 MKelly  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:57:14am

re: #461 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That is correct. We have no idea who you are. You show up now and then. Poop in the punchbowl and walk away.

Stick around. Engage in conversation, let us know who you are, then we'll take you more seriously.

Not a shot. I'm just sayin'...


Willing to except I do this at lunch time at work & go home at 1700 central. So only have time for a couple of notes.

593 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:11:40am

re: #592 MKelly

We'll be waiting with bated breath.

/

594 ssn697  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:14:43am

Continues to be mid 40's in Montana. Since I refuse to see anything beyond my back yard, that is proof of Global warming!

I weep for what America has become.

595 ryannon  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:29:52am

re: #540 Spare O'Lake

I saw a sign yesterday outside a meat shop: "GAME ACCEPTED FOR SAUSAGE".
Does this mean what I think it means, and if so does anyone have a spare barf bag?

Well, I don't think they're talking about Scrabble or Monopoly. What sort of wildlife do you have in your area?

596 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:17:24am

re: #595 ryannon

Well, I don't think they're talking about Scrabble or Monopoly. What sort of wildlife do you have in your area?

Deer, Moose, Black Bear, Wild Turkey, Socialists, Ducks, Geese...

597 ssn697  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:51:35am

re: #596 Spare O'Lake

I recognize Wild Turkey. By Geese, do you mean Grey Goose?

598 MKelly  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:01:30pm

re: #593 Varek Raith

We'll be waiting with bated breath.

/

Ok then. The part of the IR spectrum that CO2 produces absorbtion lines at is about 8% of total IR spectrum being radiated back to space from Earth. Of the total CO2 in the atmosphere, man accounts for roughly 4%. So if CO2 absorbed all it could in all frequencies (3 bands of roughly 2, 5 & 15 micro) then only .0032 per cent would be from humans. So AGW folks believe that .0032 per cent of IR will raise the temperature. I don't.

599 MadJadBad  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 12:06:03pm

From the video:

We need to understand the larger perspective about our changing climate as well.
...
The science of global climate is vital for us to understand, if we are to pass along to our children a planet that is livable, diverse and abundant. It is the most important task this generation will undertake...

Here is some info to add to our perspective of the Earth's climate.
The "Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum" was an unexplained global warming period that occurred about 55 million years ago. This was also a period where mammals and planktons flourished and rapidly diversified. The quote from the video implies that global warming will cause the Earth to be unlivable, less diverse and less abundant, when the geologic record shows that is not the case.

600 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:01:07pm

re: #599 MadJadBad

Not this one again. This particular denier's talking point has been debunked at LGF over and over and over, yet people still show up and post it again.

601 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:04:34pm

re: #598 MKelly

Wow. So you're actually going to try to argue that human-caused CO2 is not a problem. Amazing.

Which denial website did you get this false information from?

602 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 2:58:19pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

He spouted a whole bunch of Denier crap about AGW, and then wouldn't back it up. When he got called on that, he reacted with butthurt hostility.

Extreme butthurt?

603 freetoken  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 3:02:10pm

re: #598 MKelly

Of the total CO2 in the atmosphere, man accounts for roughly 4%.

As Charles pointed out, that is just plain wrong. With pre-modern CO2 at less than 280ppm, and the current volume at 390ppm, the human contribution so far is about 30%. Since our output is growing quickly, the anthropogenic fraction is increasing, and over the decades has accelerated.

In the 2000's CO2 at Mauna Loa increased a total of 19.42 ppm. While in the 1990s that increase was only 15.19 ppm. With economic growth continuing in the developing world, and with that growth being fueled by fossil fuels, the decadal increase will continue to get bigger.


However, you did not come up with that 4% figure by yourself. So the question is, from where did you copy such a talking point?

604 Right Brain  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 4:14:24pm

Now that the IPCC has backed down from their earlier, and longstanding, claim that the Himalayas will be ice free by 2035, attributing the whole mistake to an unknown scientist who, by his own admittance, had performed no research on this matter whatsoever, can we expect to see another installment of Peter Sinclair's Crock of the Week on this subject? Its obviously a crock, with clear players.

Or is he an ideologue simply promoting AGW?

605 freetoken  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:11:22pm

re: #604 Right Brain

Now that the IPCC has backed down from their earlier, and longstanding, claim that the Himalayas will be ice free by 2035,

What's with this "longstanding" accusation? It was one small part inserted in the AR4, which didn't even make it into the summary section.

And the "2035" statement that did make it into the AR4 didn't apply to the entire Himalayas.


What you of course are ignoring is the plenitude of research about the loss of ice, including in the Himalayas.

The IPCC documents are meant to summarize a very large volume of research for decision makers, who tend to like their information in short paragraphs that can lead to actionable politics. There is no claim that the IPCC does original research, nor is there any claim of infallibility.

This drives home the point that many in the denial-o-sphere, such as yourself, really don't understand not only climate science but also the purpose of the IPCC.

606 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:13:23pm

re: #604 Right Brain

Since this silliness is showing up in this thread now, too, here's what I posted in the next thread up.

Here's a little perspective on the flawed prediction that the Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035. This prediction is quoted exactly once in an IPCC report -- and not in any of the technical summaries, which are more widely read, but only in one sentence on page 493 of Chapter 10 of this very lengthy report on the impacts of climate change (PDF).

So yes, it's a breakdown in the scientific vetting process for these kinds of claims, but on the other hand it's being VASTLY exaggerated and blown up into a huge issue, far beyond what is warranted.

But that's what climate deniers do, so it's not surprising.

I strongly recommend that people take a look through the document I linked above, for a graphic demonstration of how totally insignificant this issue really is, compared to the mountains of scientific evidence about which there is no doubt.

607 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:09:03pm

re: #599 MadJadBad

From the video:

Here is some info to add to our perspective of the Earth's climate.
The "Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum" was an unexplained global warming period that occurred about 55 million years ago. This was also a period where mammals and planktons flourished and rapidly diversified. The quote from the video implies that global warming will cause the Earth to be unlivable, less diverse and less abundant, when the geologic record shows that is not the case.

Can't let Charles have the last post, since I've been travelling too.

This is such a wiener argument it is strange to keep seeing it.

Let all the wieners understand that nobody is talking of the extinction of life. Many old, and new, types of plankton will no doubt flourish in a high CO2 planet and maybe some of them will evolve to be smarter than humans eventually, but the point here is not about that; it is simply about the effect on existing human societies and civilizations, within human lifetimes.

608 MKELLY  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:33:57pm

re: #601 Charles

Wow. So you're actually going to try to argue that human-caused CO2 is not a problem. Amazing.

Which denial website did you get this false information from?


The number should have 3.3% not 4. That is from the IPCC. So using the IPCC yearly number .033 x .08 = .00264. Or .264%. So all of the warming in any one year is the result of .264% of the IR leaving earth. I don't buy it.

609 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jan 19, 2010 2:05:14pm

re: #608 MKELLY

The number should have 3.3% not 4. That is from the IPCC. So using the IPCC yearly number .033 x .08 = .00264. Or .264%. So all of the warming in any one year is the result of .264% of the IR leaving earth. I don't buy it.

Translation: "You all must be idiots to believe this crap, since if I can't understand it; how can it be true?"

610 MKELLY  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 5:50:21am

re: #609 Naso Tang

Sorry, Naso, I do not and have not called anyone names and I won't. I leave that to you and some of the others here at LGF. I gave you a fact determined from IPCC info if you dispute fine or find fault with the math, percentages fine. I don't buy that that small percent drives temperature of the entire earth up. If I am wrong present evidence to the contrary.

611 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 8:50:02am

re: #610 MKELLY

Sorry, Naso, I do not and have not called anyone names and I won't. I leave that to you and some of the others here at LGF. I gave you a fact determined from IPCC info if you dispute fine or find fault with the math, percentages fine. I don't buy that that small percent drives temperature of the entire earth up. If I am wrong present evidence to the contrary.

You expect me, or someone at LGF, to present evidence to contradict what you don't "buy"?

Don't be a jackass, and do your own research.

612 MKelly  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 9:37:16am

re: #611 Naso Tang

You just can't help yourself can you? So, since you present nothing to contradict me should I understand you agree with me?

613 Kodimar  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 10:54:30am

Obviously the climate of the world changes, no one is disputing that. However where i'm sitting right now used to be covered in a giant glacier. It melted a very long long time ago, with out the help of an automobile. The earth's temperature fluctuates. Lets not use but a mere snapshot of time to settle the debate.

I've yet to see cold hard facts that proves its our C02 emissions that are causing the temperature to get out of whack.

Lets concentrate on stopping real pollution from getting in to the environment and not what plants breathe.

614 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:13:44pm

re: #612 MKelly

You just can't help yourself can you? So, since you present nothing to contradict me should I understand you agree with me?

You make it awfully hard on yourself with all this, don't you? On the off chance that you are not a deliberate troll I'll explain what I thought was obvious.

You stated that you don't "buy" small numbers, or what appear to be small numbers to you, and you expect others, including most of the real scientific community to accept that as the basis for rejecting the concept of AGW. In other words; because you don't buy it. The you say that someone should prove you wrong, when you are too lazy to do your own research which is readily available, even from the LGF archives, let alone Google.

Have you no comprehension how pitifully poor that non argument is?

615 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jan 20, 2010 1:15:02pm

re: #613 Kodimar

Congrats on your first post being about as dumb as it could be.

616 Kodimar  Thu, Jan 21, 2010 9:42:02am

Explain.


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