Anybody want to talk about Coakley vs. Brown? It’s looking like right wing tea party candidate Scott Brown will ride to victory on a wave of Fox News-fueled populist anger, so here’s a thread to discuss it. (Yes, I’m still traveling, and won’t be back on solid ground until late tomorrow.)
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:35:03pm |
Gee wouldn't want to give any credit to the voters there. Maybe they just do see Coakley as a viable candidate. Brown may be far right, but I don't see anything special about Coakley that would make me vote for her either.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:35:22pm |
re: #1 Walter L. Newton
Gee wouldn't want to give any credit to the voters there. Maybe they just do see Coakley as a viable candidate. Brown may be far right, but I don't see anything special about Coakley that would make me vote for her either.
Don't see Coalkey (correction)
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Blue Fin Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:35:55pm |
If it is happening in the state of Mass, then expect a tea party blow out this fall...maybe
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:36:06pm |
Far Right?
He seemed fairly middle of the road to me.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:37:15pm |
re: #3 Dark_Falcon
Tea, Earl Gray, Hot!
/Captain Picard
How about we wait and see if there are any figures on how much support Coakley or Brown gets from the Independents. From what I am reading, they are going to be the tie breakers in this. Or are we going to lump anyone who doesn't vote left as the crazy everything else?
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Blue Fin Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:37:53pm |
And no party should have a super majority...balance is a good thing
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:38:04pm |
re: #1 Walter L. Newton
Gee wouldn't want to give any credit to the voters there. Maybe they just do see Coakley as a viable candidate. Brown may be far right, but I don't see anything special about Coakley that would make me vote for her either.
Brown's not far right, though some of his supports are. I'm actually quite please with how Brown is faring. If I had any money available for donations, The National Republican Trust would have gotten some money to run theirs ads in the Bay State. As it happened, though, I can only donate small amounts of money right now and all of that has gone to Haiti.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:38:53pm |
re: #7 Blue Fin
And no party should have a super majority...balance is a good thing
So long as both sides are open to compromise...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:39:03pm |
re: #6 Walter L. Newton
How about we wait and see if there are any figures on how much support Coakley or Brown gets from the Independents. From what I am reading, they are going to be the tie breakers in this. Or are we going to lump anyone who doesn't vote left as the crazy everything else?
That's fine. I was just making a Star Trek joke.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:39:18pm |
re: #5 Racer X
Far Right?
He seemed fairly middle of the road to me.
He seems right of center to me, but not exactly "far" right. 'Course, my own personal conservatism may be coloring my view, I'll admit it. It can't be helped.
What is Coakley? Left or far left? She seems to have made some blunders serious enough that some Dems (and some SEIU members) have come out in support of Brown.
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Innismir Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:39:26pm |
Charles:
MA voter here, I don't think Brown is that far right. He supports Roe v Wade, he's been repeatedly been elected in MA (come on, how far right can you be around here?) and he's no knuckle-dragging bible thumper.
I dislike the out-of-towners coming to his aid, but he has been running a campaign long before the activists came around. I feel it's unfair to call him a "tea party candidate"
Cheers.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:40:06pm |
A far-righter winning in Massachusetts? HA!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:40:45pm |
re: #11 reine.de.tout
He seems right of center to me, but not exactly "far" right. 'Course, my own personal conservatism may be coloring my view, I'll admit it. It can't be helped.
What is Coakley? Left or far left? She seems to have made some blunders serious enough that some Dems (and some SEIU members) have come out in support of Brown.
No, it's easier to make everyone far right... like I said above "Or are we going to lump anyone who doesn't vote left as the crazy everything else?"
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:40:56pm |
I still can't believe MA could be about to elect a Republican to Ted Kennedy's seat. If the worst happens most of the blame has to go to the MA Democratic Party for choosing an extremely poor candidate in Martha Coakley. This is less about enthusiasm for Brown and more about Coakley's mediocrity and possibly a backlash against years of the state being dominated by the Kennedys/old boys club set.
But if she loses, the apathetic Dems in MA better not bitch and moan when the progressive agenda gets derailed by a filibuster-empowered GOP. The power is/was in their hands to stop it.
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Innismir Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:40:57pm |
re: #6 Walter L. Newton
Depending on who's doing the polling, the I's are 60-70% in favor of Brown.
Another thing, even with all the polling data, I still consider Brown a long-shot to get elected. I can't imagine voters in MA electing someone with an R after their name to the Hill.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:41:07pm |
re: #12 Innismir
Charles:
MA voter here, I don't think Brown is that far right. He supports Roe v Wade, he's been repeatedly been elected in MA (come on, how far right can you be around here?) and he's no knuckle-dragging bible thumper.
. . .
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Yes, this is the impression I had of him.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:41:30pm |
re: #12 Innismir
Charles:
MA voter here, I don't think Brown is that far right. He supports Roe v Wade, he's been repeatedly been elected in MA (come on, how far right can you be around here?) and he's no knuckle-dragging bible thumper.
I dislike the out-of-towners coming to his aid, but he has been running a campaign long before the activists came around. I feel it's unfair to call him a "tea party candidate"
Cheers.
If you don't vote left, then everything else is far right, period.
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:42:46pm |
re: #7 Blue Fin
And no party should have a super majority...balance is a good thing
When one party is only interested in blocking everything proposed by the other, then it's definitely not a good thing.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:42:53pm |
re: #18 Walter L. Newton
If you don't vote left, then everything else is far right, period.
Evidently.
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capecoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:43:16pm |
With all due respect, Charles, the people of Massachusetts have had enough.
The tea party has nothing to do with the democrats and independents here turning on Coakley and Obama in unheard of numbers. It is the policies of Obama, which have scared even the liberal base here. Coakley is simply one of the worst candidates to ever come out of this state, and that is saying a lot.She thought the seat was going to be handed to her, and that her horrid performance as AG mattered not a whit. It is insulting to the intelligence of every voter here.
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:44:24pm |
re: #18 Walter L. Newton
If you don't vote left, then everything else is far right, period.
You really think Charles views the spectrum as left and far right only? Really? You know better than that Walter.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:44:24pm |
re: #20 Racer X
Evidently.
And actually, you can use that same phrase and just fill in different key words and you have the whole talking points of the left. Thy it, its' fun.
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arethusa Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:45:03pm |
re: #11 reine.de.tout
Have to agree. It's true the Tea Party Express endorsed him, but that doesn't make him one of them. In fact, my two (liberal) sisters who live in MA say some Tea Partiers there are against him because he once voted to raise property taxes. One of them is even planning to vote for him, a real shock if you knew her.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:45:24pm |
re: #15 Merryweather
Local party cronyism certainly is the bane in many electorates' eyes. The other day I posted an update on the Iowa Governor GOP candidate race, the the Tea Partier/RR guy (Vander Plaats) makes a strong point about the Des Moines GOP hierarchy picking their own guy, while he (Vander Plaats), is truly representing the people.
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:45:32pm |
re: #21 capecoddah
It is the policies of Obama, which have scared even the liberal base here
I think you'll find the opposite is true. The liberal base is pissed at obama for not being liberal enough.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:46:09pm |
Is it true BHO took a snide swipe at Brown for driving a pick-up truck?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:46:23pm |
re: #22 McSpiff
You really think Charles views the spectrum as left and far right only? Really? You know better than that Walter.
I'm not discussing Charles here... projection on your part maybe?
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:46:27pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:47:05pm |
OK, I changed the post to "right wing" instead of far right, but there is very little doubt that his surge against Coakley is fueled by far right tea party populism.
But calling him a "moderate" is not correct either. He opposes stem cell research, wants a constitutional amendment to prevent same sex marriage, and in most other issues has a record of right wing ideological stances. His abortion position is a bit of an anomaly, and will probably change if he's elected.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:47:08pm |
re: #21 capecoddah
With all due respect, Charles, the people of Massachusetts have had enough.
The tea party has nothing to do with the democrats and independents here turning on Coakley and Obama in unheard of numbers. It is the policies of Obama, which have scared even the liberal base here. Coakley is simply one of the worst candidates to ever come out of this state, and that is saying a lot.She thought the seat was going to be handed to her, and that her horrid performance as AG mattered not a whit. It is insulting to the intelligence of every voter here.
Agreed. I'm not a fan of the Tea Party crowd, but in this case they've helped do a good thing by breaking the Donks super-majority and teaching them a lesson in humility.
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:48:15pm |
re: #30 Walter L. Newton
I'm not discussing Charles here... projection on your part maybe?
The comment you replied to was criticizing Charles's labeling of a candidate as far right. You then make the snide comment that for some it's only left wing or far right. How exactly could that be viewed as anything other than comment towards Charles?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:48:18pm |
re: #27 CapeCoddah
You had it right the first time.
Coakley is not a viable candidate in my opinion. If that's the best the left can come up with in a state that prides itself on progressive politicians, the left is in for a long downhill ride.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:49:17pm |
re: #34 CapeCoddah
Um, like the democrats have been?
Nope, and neither have the Republicans. Same old, same old.
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arethusa Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:49:19pm |
re: #29 MandyManners
Is it true BHO took a snide swipe at Brown for driving a pick-up truck?
I wouldn't call it snide, just sort of off. Obama said something like "Everybody can own a truck," which is one of Brown's man-of-the-people themes. Brown promptly responded that in this economy, not everyone can own a truck. Obama kind of left himself open on that one.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:49:45pm |
What could be better for Obama and the Dems than for Brown to win, and thereby allow Obama and the Dems to blame the GOP for blocking the current ill-timed, unaffordable, half-assed, health care reform plan.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:49:53pm |
re: #15 Merryweather
Not from what I see, and I am in the middle of it.... The people really LIKE the man. He is a good man.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:50:05pm |
I think there is a lot more at work here than any Ron Paul *snort* 'revolution' or somesuch *snort*. This is evidence of an admirable and persistant American rejection of single party hubris. If this election and perhaps others leads to some balance and compromise in government then I am for it.
Sadly, the Paulians are like dog shit on your shoe though. Impossible to scrape off it seems.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:50:17pm |
re: #32 Charles
OK, I changed the post to "right wing" instead of far right, but there is very little doubt that his surge against Coakley is fueled by far right tea party populism.
But calling him a "moderate" is not correct either. He opposes stem cell research, wants a constitutional amendment to prevent same sex marriage, and in most other issues has a record of right wing ideological stances. His abortion position is a bit of an anomaly, and will probably change if he's elected.
Thank you for that clarification. You're right that Brown is something of a SoCon, but that'll change somewhat once he's in office. Coakley is a classic idiotarian and I'm going to enjoy watching her take the fall.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:50:28pm |
re: #35 McSpiff
The comment you replied to was criticizing Charles's labeling of a candidate as far right. You then make the snide comment that for some it's only left wing or far right. How exactly could that be viewed as anything other than comment towards Charles?
I was addressing the tone and tenor of the thread, and the other comments. If it makes it better for you, Ok, Charles started the thread, it was his comment that kicked it off and I don't agree with everything he said.
And neither did a lot of other people.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:50:52pm |
Only the right is concerned about Coakley's refusal to press the flesh at a ball game because it was cold? About her claiming Schilling was a Yankee fan? About her treatment of a man who raped a toddler with a hot curling iron?
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:51:32pm |
re: #38 arethusa
I wouldn't call it snide, just sort of off. Obama said something like "Everybody can own a truck," which is one of Brown's man-of-the-people themes. Brown promptly responded that in this economy, not everyone can own a truck. Obama kind of left himself open on that one.
Oh, yes, he did.
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arethusa Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:52:41pm |
re: #39 Spare O'Lake
What could be better for Obama and the Dems than for Brown to win, and thereby allow Obama and the Dems to blame the GOP for blocking the current ill-timed, unaffordable, half-assed, health care reform plan.
Indeed it might be a blessing in disguise. The current health care plan is pretty unpopular and would presumably hurt the Democrats in the midterm elections if passed. Not passing it, whether or not they can blame the GOP (there are ways they could pass some kind of health care reform) might make them more successful.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:52:58pm |
re: #44 MandyManners
Only the right is concerned about Coakley's refusal to press the flesh at a ball game because it was cold? About her claiming Schilling was a Yankee fan? About her treatment of a man who raped a toddler with a hot curling iron?
I seem to recall quite a bit of outrage over Huckabee releasing some asshole from prison recently.
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:52:59pm |
re: #39 Spare O'Lake
If there's no health care reform at all, Obama's base will be demoralized beyond belief, leading to a possible (but I think unlikely) blowout in November, and if a moderate Republican (like Romney) wins the 2012 nomination, he could be in trouble. I also don't think blaming everything on the GOP while the Dems had 60 votes in the Senate is going to gain much traction.
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:53:12pm |
re: #43 Walter L. Newton
Well evidently from his latest comment he disagrees with what he wrote earlier as well. And I'm not saying Brown is a tea party kook either for the record. Just found it odd that you appeared to be saying Charles saw the world in such black and white terms. Thanks for the clarification tho.
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Zeke Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:53:32pm |
I support Brown and the polls show he's ahead, but he'll need a much bigger lead to pull if off. I'm sure lots of deceased folks will be voting tomorrow...
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:53:38pm |
re: #35 McSpiff
The comment you replied to was criticizing Charles's labeling of a candidate as far right. You then make the snide comment that for some it's only left wing or far right. How exactly could that be viewed as anything other than comment towards Charles?
Stop acting like a little back-biting weasel.
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Innismir Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:53:44pm |
re: #32 Charles
OK, I changed the post to "right wing" instead of far right, but there is very little doubt that his surge against Coakley is fueled by far right tea party populism.
Thanks Charles. However, his surge started before the out of towners blew in. I'm sure the money certain groups are pouring in didn't hurt, but we were cheering that "we" got a $250K ad-buy done the week before last to keep the momentum going.
I'm not saying Brown isn't a social conservative, but a "Massachusetts Republican" is a enigma.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:53:45pm |
re: #35 McSpiff
The comment you replied to was criticizing Charles's labeling of a candidate as far right. You then make the snide comment that for some it's only left wing or far right. How exactly could that be viewed as anything other than comment towards Charles?
And you baiting gets so obvious it looks silly. I don't have to agree with Charles on anything if I don't want to. There is no nuance in what my opinions are and I suspect Charles is fully aware of where he and I disagree and where we agree. And I have NEVER seen a situation where Charles had any trouble addressing something with me that he wanted to challenge.
And I don't think that admission here is dependent on who much one agrees with Charles and how much one disagrees with Charles.
What are you, the thread police for tonight?
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:54:22pm |
I get mixed messages from Scott Brown:
Brown is a social moderate in the Weld/Cellucci tradition, who considers Roe vs. Wade “settled law.”
...
As a state senator Brown has shown his ability to work across the aisle for things he believes in. He cites his efforts to help pass a crucial stem-cell research bill “because I knew it meant jobs for Massachusetts.”
And while Brown is a solid fiscal conservative, he is a compassionate conservative, voting to override gubernatorial vetoes and restore funding for breast cancer screening, suicide prevention programs and the METCO program.
And:
Brown also backed away from his support for a cap-and-trade system for trying to contain greenhouse gases. In 2008, he voted with the Legislature for Massachusetts to join the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative, a pact among Northeastern states requiring power plants to reduce emissions or to buy credits from cleaner industries.
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And though he has previously said he recognizes Roe v. Wade, the court ruling that legalized abortion, as the law of the land, he won the endorsement of Massachusetts Citizens for Life as an expected “prolife vote in the Senate.’’
“I believe - and he has stated - that he would vote for a [Supreme Court] nominee who would be opposed to Roe v. Wade,’’ said John Rowe, who heads the antiabortion group’s political action committee. Brown’s campaign says he would be willing to do so, but he does not view abortion as a litmus test for a Supreme Court nominee either way.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:55:06pm |
re: #32 Charles
I'm probably stepping on a mine but I must disagree.
Scott Brown voted for RomneyCare, he voted against abolishing the state income tax, and he has stated that "Roe v. Wade" is the law of the land. It may change, but for now we have to do what we did with Obama during the campaign, take him at his word. (Yes, I know Obama has broken a few promises) You are right, he did vote to define marriage as between one man and one woman (NOT how I would've voted) but he says he isn't interested in overturning Massachusetts' decision. I'm confident that he'd vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment if one was proposed again.
Brown to me seems like a moderate Republican (by today's standards).
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Innismir Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:55:18pm |
re: #29 MandyManners
Kind of. He said something along the lines of "Don't get into the pickup truck [Coakley's] opponent is driving" or something like that.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:55:59pm |
re: #55 YoungLibertarian92
I'm probably stepping on a mine but I must disagree.
Scott Brown voted for RomneyCare, he voted against abolishing the state income tax, and he has stated that "Roe v. Wade" is the law of the land. It may change, but for now we have to do what we did with Obama during the campaign, take him at his word. (Yes, I know Obama has broken a few promises) You are right, he did vote to define marriage as between one man and one woman (NOT how I would've voted) but he says he isn't interested in overturning Massachusetts' decision. I'm confident that he'd vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment if one was proposed again.
Brown to me seems like a moderate Republican (by today's standards).
Concur.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:56:04pm |
re: #26 Merryweather
Right, that makes sense...I live here, I am working on this campaign with registered Massachusetts democrats who have personally told me their reasoning. They are socially liberal, but socialism is not their thing. That's what I keep hearing. What are Massachusetts democrats telling you?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:56:20pm |
I don't object too much to Brown's positions but I'll be bummed if our county's last chance for healthcare reform gets derailed. No matter how moderate he may or may not be no Republicans would be allowed to vote for reform. Looks like the Dems are scrambling just in case he wins....
Democrats May Seek to Push Health Bill Through House
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:57:00pm |
re: #32 Charles
OK, I changed the post to "right wing" instead of far right, but there is very little doubt that his surge against Coakley is fueled by far right tea party populism.
But calling him a "moderate" is not correct either. He opposes stem cell research, wants a constitutional amendment to prevent same sex marriage, and in most other issues has a record of right wing ideological stances. His abortion position is a bit of an anomaly, and will probably change if he's elected.
Thank you for the clarification.
His ideology is definitely right-wing. I saw some support for him at National Review, and it looked to me like those folks were tangling themselves up in knots trying to explain why they supported in spite of his position on abortion. So you may also be absolutely correct that his position on that may change if he's elected. Time will tell.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:57:19pm |
re: #42 Dark_Falcon
Thank you for that clarification. You're right that Brown is something of a SoCon, but that'll change somewhat once he's in office. Coakley is a classic idiotarian and I'm going to enjoy watching her take the fall.
Agreed. He seems like a social moderate. He says he won't fight Roe or Massachusetts' same-sex marriage law. He's for civil unions but he thinks marriage is for one man and one woman.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:57:42pm |
I finally saw Avatar. Saw it in 3d Imax tonight. Amazing visuals. Stupid story. And I think now I have a thing for tall blue chicks and Latino helicopter pilots.
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:58:07pm |
re: #54 Gus 802
Yeah, and he plans to vote against the healthcare reform bill, but he voted for Romney's healthcare plan in MA. The guy is full of contradictions. I think he's running to the center in order to get elected, and if he wins, will vote as a hardline conservative.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:59:06pm |
re: #58 CapeCoddah
Right, that makes sense...I live here, I am working on this campaign with registered Massachusetts democrats who have personally told me their reasoning. They are socially liberal, but socialism is not their thing. That's what I keep hearing. What are Massachusetts democrats telling you?
That's interesting and it seems to be the lesson that the Tea Party is going to take away from this if they win. How could ex-Kennedy voters suddenly become uncomfortable with leftists? It doesn't make much sense to me. I guess we'll learn something from the exit polls.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:59:22pm |
re: #32 Charles
Again sir, all due respect, but I have been actively involved in this campaign from day 1. The only sigh of the tea party I have seen is that they have paid for a couple of ads.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:59:46pm |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
I don't object too much to Brown's positions but I'll be bummed if our county's last chance for healthcare reform gets derailed. No matter how moderate he may or may not be no Republicans would be allowed to vote for reform. Looks like the Dems are scrambling just in case he wins...
Democrats May Seek to Push Health Bill Through House
Interesting... the left has been whining about every move the GOP has been making in regards to the debate on heath care. Saying that they are obstructing the process and complaining in general about GOP procedure.
But they won't hesitate to use every legal trick in the book when it comes to this.
Classic?
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:59:50pm |
re: #53 Walter L. Newton
And you baiting gets so obvious it looks silly. I don't have to agree with Charles on anything if I don't want to. There is no nuance in what my opinions are and I suspect Charles is fully aware of where he and I disagree and where we agree. And I have NEVER seen a situation where Charles had any trouble addressing something with me that he wanted to challenge.
And I don't think that admission here is dependent on who much one agrees with Charles and how much one disagrees with Charles.
What are you, the thread police for tonight?
Don't read too much into that one comment. As I stated in my last comment, I also disagree with labeling Brown as a Tea-Bagger. He's right of center obviously, but I don't think I'd label him anything more than that. Plus if he breaks the super majority for the Dems, so much the better. I wasn't criticizing you for disagreeing with Charles (or me, or anyone else for that matter), it just seemed like an odd statement to pin to Charles, so I commented on it. You clarified, that was the end of it for me.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 5:59:55pm |
re: #63 Mad Al-Jaffee
I finally saw Avatar. Saw it in 3d Imax tonight. Amazing visuals. Stupid story.
It tries to depict America as Imperialistic, which it isn't. We have not stolen any oil from Iraq or shipped Afghan women to America to be concubines, like the British did.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:01:10pm |
re: #64 Merryweather
Yeah, and he plans to vote against the healthcare reform bill, but he voted for Romney's healthcare plan in MA. The guy is full of contradictions. I think he's running to the center in order to get elected, and if he wins, will vote as a hardline conservative.
Now correct me, the quoted and linked to information above indicates that he has been moderate for a long while. Full of contradictions? Why don't you list them for us?
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:01:36pm |
I think it's a mistake to label this man as a Tea Party candidate. He seems to be exactly the type of new Republican I can support. Time will tell obviously.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:01:46pm |
re: #48 Merryweather
If there's no health care reform at all, Obama's base will be demoralized beyond belief, leading to a possible (but I think unlikely) blowout in November, and if a moderate Republican (like Romney) wins the 2012 nomination, he could be in trouble. I also don't think blaming everything on the GOP while the Dems had 60 votes in the Senate is going to gain much traction.
The point I was making was based on the fact that if Brown wins there will no longer be 60 Dem votes.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:01:50pm |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
That would actually be good news. A Brown win might well see Obama's bill hammered into the ground, and I would prefer that to any potential upside in the bill. It would inflict immense political damage to Barack Obama, and that would set Republicans up for more wins later this year. To me, that's worth burning down the reform bridge.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:02:45pm |
re: #51 Spare O'Lake
Stop acting like a little back-biting weasel.
Stop making comments that are ostensibly about Jimmah Carter, or ostensibly ways to use the word 'weasel', and then maybe you'll have a leg to stand on when it comes to criticising other posters' conduct.
Just sayin'. Not that I have any issue with people using the word 'weasel' in any way, but you have a documented history of this behaviour.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:03:22pm |
re: #47 Racer X
I seem to recall quite a bit of outrage over Huckabee releasing some asshole from prison recently.
Coakley refused to prosecute the rapist because his father was a union big shot who was a Coakley supporter.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:04:09pm |
re: #64 Merryweather
Yeah, and he plans to vote against the healthcare reform bill, but he voted for Romney's healthcare plan in MA. The guy is full of contradictions. I think he's running to the center in order to get elected, and if he wins, will vote as a hardline conservative.
I sense that he might have gone to the right to get elected. Being that he said that Roe v. Wade was "settled law" and then garners the endorsement of "Massachusetts Citizens for Life." I haven't checked his voting record on that. Then voting for "Romney Care" but now outright opposing the current bill. No doubt he's still a politician -- i.e. I was for it before I was against it.
If he does win and does vote hardline conservative he may be a one term senator considering Massachusetts history. He may settle into being a moderate which of course may lead him to being cast as a RINO by the more reactionary members of society. Time will tell.
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:04:35pm |
re: #58 CapeCoddah
I can't speak for Massachusetts voters, but I find it hard to believe the people that voted healthcare champion Ted Kennedy in don't like Obama because his policies are too much to the left. I think your registered Dems are probably people who'd normally be Republicans but don't like the extremist bent it's taken of late, and so choose to be Dems.
Seriously, just check some of the left wing blogs right now (e.g Firedoglake): they have gone off the rails because they didn't get the public option in the bill, Obama committed more troops to Afghanistan, still hasn't closed Gitmo, etc.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:04:52pm |
re: #64 Merryweather
Yeah, and he plans to vote against the healthcare reform bill, but he voted for Romney's healthcare plan in MA. The guy is full of contradictions. I think he's running to the center in order to get elected, and if he wins, will vote as a hardline conservative.
That's my belief as well, for the record. And there's no doubt the teabaggers love him.
Coakley is a crap candidate in many ways as well, though.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:04:59pm |
re: #71 The Shadow Do
He seems to be exactly the type of new Republican I can support
I would vote for Brown if I lived in MT and I would've voted for McCain if I could've voted in 08. I personally like Paul Ryan, Fred Thompson, Susan Collins, and Bobby Jindal (Yes, I know he's an exorcist, but I'm a Catholic convert too, I get it!).
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:05:15pm |
re: #46 arethusa
Indeed it might be a blessing in disguise. The current health care plan is pretty unpopular and would presumably hurt the Democrats in the midterm elections if passed. Not passing it, whether or not they can blame the GOP (there are ways they could pass some kind of health care reform) might make them more successful.
Being able to blame the GOP would be a huge bonus, possibly worth quite a few mid-term seats.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:05:23pm |
re: #71 The Shadow Do
I think it's a mistake to label this man as a Tea Party candidate. He seems to be exactly the type of new Republican I can support. Time will tell obviously.
No no This is a classic class in politics where the Party in power has such a lousy candidate that Donald Duck is trailing by 5 points...
There will be a lot of free beer flowing in Union halls tonight..
She is weak..He isn't strong
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:05:30pm |
re: #77 Merryweather
I can't speak for Massachusetts voters, but I find it hard to believe the people that voted healthcare champion Ted Kennedy in don't like Obama because his policies are too much to the left. I think your registered Dems are probably people who'd normally be Republicans but don't like the extremist bent it's taken of late, and so choose to be Dems.
Seriously, just check some of the left wing blogs right now (e.g Firedoglake): they have gone off the rails because they didn't get the public option in the bill, Obama committed more troops to Afghanistan, still hasn't closed Gitmo, etc.
You can't speak for Ma. voters, but you can make a comment like he is full of contradictions. What are those contradictions?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:05:58pm |
re: #76 Gus 802
I sense that he might have gone to the right to get elected. Being that he said that Roe v. Wade was "settled law" and then garners the endorsement of "Massachusetts Citizens for Life." I haven't checked his voting record on that. Then voting for "Romney Care" but now outright opposing the current bill. No doubt he's still a politician -- i.e. I was for it before I was against it.
If he does win and does vote hardline conservative he may be a one term senator considering Massachusetts history. He may settle into being a moderate which of course may lead him to being cast as a RINO by the more reactionary members of society. Time will tell.
good analysis. Strike me as correct.
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Lidane Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:06:12pm |
re: #63 Mad Al-Jaffee
I finally saw Avatar. Saw it in 3d Imax tonight. Amazing visuals. Stupid story.
The guys at South Park had it right-- it's Dances With Smurfs. Looked amazing, but I was bored by the predictable story within the first half hour.
I should have expected that, though. My most irritating film experience ever was seeing Titanic when it came out. I went with a girlfriend who'd already seen it six times by the time she and I went. We ended up all the way in the back of the theater, all the way up against the wall, and to my left were a half dozen or so people crying and mouthing along with the film as it played, including my friend. It was torture, especially since I knew what would happen with the diamond before they even showed the Titanic for the first time. And don't get me started on having to endure the final hour of that film while having to go to the bathroom, but not being able to because I was trapped by said crying, lip synching people. Ugh. =/
And I think now I have a thing for tall blue chicks and Latino helicopter pilots.
Heh. The only thing that got me through Avatar was the occasional glimpses of Sam Worthington. He's pretty. It made the film tolerable for me. ;)
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:06:34pm |
re: #69 YoungLibertarian92
It tries to depict America as Imperialistic, which it isn't. We have not stolen any oil from Iraq or shipped Afghan women to America to be concubines, like the British did.
It's not just that - it's the nature good, man bad! message that I didn't like. Too simplistic. I would almost call it a propaganda film.
The trailer for the NASA movie was amazing. At one point it looked like a space walking astronaut was right in front of my face.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:06:51pm |
re: #75 CapeCoddah
Coakley refused to prosecute the rapist because his father was a union big shot who was a Coakley supporter.
And then she let him go OR.
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Bob Dillon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:07:06pm |
re: #75 CapeCoddah
Coakley refused to prosecute the rapist because his father was a union big shot who was a Coakley supporter.
On that alone ... we really want that level of ethics in the senate. Yeah I know, she wouldn't be lonely.
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Obdicut Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:07:20pm |
My only question is:
What is Brown actually saying that he'll do if elected?
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:08:18pm |
re: #78 iceweasel
Coakley is a crap candidate in many ways as well, though.
Amen. And she ran an abysmal campaign, has made some awful gaffes, and got down into the gutter - did you see that anti-Brown rape poster her campaign did?
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:08:35pm |
re: #88 Obdicut
My only question is:
What is Brown actually saying that he'll do if elected?
That part you staff out..
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:08:45pm |
re: #5 Racer X
Far Right?
He seemed fairly middle of the road to me.
Far right? In Massachusetts? I guess that is another term that now has no meaning.
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Lidane Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:08:50pm |
re: #85 Mad Al-Jaffee
It's not just that - it's the nature good, man bad! message that I didn't like. Too simplistic. I would almost call it a propaganda film.
Eh. I think you're giving it too much credit. It's a James Cameron film-- big on visuals and technical wizardry, short on story and depth.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:08:52pm |
Then voting for "Romney Care" but now outright opposing the current bill. No doubt he's still a politician -- i.e. I was for it before I was against it.
I think he is going to vote against this health care bill because it is very similar to the one that gave Massachusetts' the highest premiums in the country. It also has left doctors rationing care and it's riddled with fraud and abuse.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:08:57pm |
re: #89 Merryweather
Amen. And she ran an abysmal campaign, has made some awful gaffes, and got down into the gutter - did you see that anti-Brown rape poster her campaign did?
I sure did. Posted about it in the spinoffs here. Disgusting.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:09:22pm |
re: #74 iceweasel
Stop making comments that are ostensibly about Jimmah Carter, or ostensibly ways to use the word 'weasel', and then maybe you'll have a leg to stand on when it comes to criticising other posters' conduct.
Just sayin'. Not that I have any issue with people using the word 'weasel' in any way, but you have a documented history of this behaviour.
Don't flatter yourselves.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:09:33pm |
re: #85 Mad Al-Jaffee
The trailer for the NASA movie was amazing. At one point it looked like a space walking astronaut was right in front of my face.
I'm with you on that!
Did you keep your 3D glasses?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:09:42pm |
re: #58 CapeCoddah
Right, that makes sense...I live here, I am working on this campaign with registered Massachusetts democrats who have personally told me their reasoning. They are socially liberal, but socialism is not their thing. That's what I keep hearing. What are Massachusetts democrats telling you?
I have yet to meet a democrat or liberal where they have mentioned any fear of "socialism" ...it's not in their vernacular. It is used by the Tea Party.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:10:32pm |
What is a Moonbat?
Is it someone who is socially liberal but ignores all of the other issues?
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:10:42pm |
re: #65 Killgore Trout
Kennedy voters are still Americans, at the bottom of it. They see what the majority of the nation sees, and are just as upset about it.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:11:04pm |
re: #96 YoungLibertarian92
I'm with you on that!
Did you keep your 3D glasses?
No, was I supposed to? I put them in a bin when I was leaving, like everyone else did.
I saw it with my mother, who is fairly liberal and she didn't like the anti-military, anti-corporate, anti-American message.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:13:02pm |
re: #101 Mad Al-Jaffee
No, was I supposed to? I put them in a bin when I was leaving, like everyone else did.
I saw it with my mother, who is fairly liberal and she didn't like the anti-military, anti-corporate, anti-American message.
I kept the glasses, if I'm paying $13 to see it I'm keeping the glasses.
I saw it with my Dad, he's a socially and economically liberal but he's also a big foreign policy hawk (he's like Olympia Snowe) he didn't like it's streak of anti-Americanism either.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:13:16pm |
Coakley was the one who prosecuted the infamous "Amirault" child abuse case. That's the one where the day care providers were tried and convicted on charges of raping little children in a magic secret room. A room which for a fact did not exist.
The conviction was overturned on appeal, inevitably, and they were set free, but only after a long struggle through the appellate process. Coakley had won the case and by gum she wanted it to stay won, justice be damned.
She still insists they were guilty. Of magic. Phaugh. She is quite unfit for any office, because she doesn't give a fig for justice. A prosecutor has a duty to not try to win cases that she knows are busted flushes, and a duty to accept that she's lost when the cards are on the table and it's apparent she hasn't got any.
As to the health care bill now before Congress, it's a change of course from existing law, but to call it reform is a stretch. Most likely it will make matters slowly and inexorably worse. It's not been thought out. It has noxious provisions in it, such as taxing upper-tier health insurance policies provided by employers, but only if the employee is not a member of a union.
How can you justify punishing someone for not being in a union?
The Democrats are now saying that they'll do what it takes to nullify Brown's election if he does win. Count slowly. Count wrong. Refuse to seat him promptly, if ever. Change the rules of procedure so that his election, if it should become official, doesn't affect the passage of that health bill after all.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:13:17pm |
re: #94 iceweasel
I sure did. Posted about it in the spinoffs here. Disgusting.
Thank you, ice. Unlike most people, you honestly admit it when your side misbehaves. Most liberals would avert their eyes, and it does you credit that you do not.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:13:25pm |
re: #79 YoungLibertarian92
I would vote for Brown if I lived in MT and I would've voted for McCain if I could've voted in 08. I personally like Paul Ryan, Fred Thompson, Susan Collins, and Bobby Jindal (Yes, I know he's an exorcist, but I'm a Catholic convert too, I get it!).
YL92 - I live here in Louisiana, and voted for Jindal for Governor. I have been severely disappointed in Jindal, as have many others who supported him. None of us would ever vote for him again. You need to reconsider your Jindal position. Really.
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arethusa Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:13:37pm |
re: #89 Merryweather
Amen. And she ran an abysmal campaign, has made some awful gaffes, and got down into the gutter - did you see that anti-Brown rape poster her campaign did?
It was disgusting, and given her previous history with not prosecuting a child rapist, is really rich coming from her (or the Mass. Democratic Party, or whoever actually put it out).
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cronus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:13:40pm |
I thought nothing could top the train wreck that was the Kathleen Kennedy Townsend campaign for MD Gov...but the Coakley campaign just might do it.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:14:16pm |
re: #98 YoungLibertarian92
What is a Moonbat?
Is it someone who is socially liberal but ignores all of the other issues?
A moonbat is a term used refer to people who are far-left. Wingnut is the term used for people who are far-right.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:14:18pm |
re: #97 Stanley Sea
I have yet to meet a democrat or liberal where they have mentioned any fear of "socialism" ...it's not in their vernacular. It is used by the Tea Party.
Yeah, doesn't make sense to me. I almost suspect that there are a lot of posers and staged incidents going around. SIEU members suddenly campaigning for Republicans? Democrats suddenly using Tea Party rhetoric and Glenn Beck talking points? Sort of reminds me of the PUMAS from the election. They were/are a Republican astroturf effort and they don't really exist in the real world.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:14:48pm |
re: #102 YoungLibertarian92
I didn't see any reason to keep the glasses. The next time I see a 3d movie, they'll have glasses there.
I'm glad they fit over my regular glasses and I could see the 3d.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:14:51pm |
re: #51 Spare O'Lake
Stop acting like a little back-biting weasel.
This is yet another example of this behaviour, "Are you questioning TEACHER?!? I'm telling!"
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:14:58pm |
re: #82 Walter L. Newton
1. He was for Roe vs Wade before he was against it.
2. He supports Romneycare but not a national healthcare bill.
3. He was happy to be supported by the Tea Partiers until he wasn't.
4. He backed a cap-and-trade system and then didn't.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:15:04pm |
re: #105 reine.de.tout
YL92 - I live here in Louisiana, and voted for Jindal for Governor. I have been severely disappointed in Jindal, as have many others who supported him. None of us would ever vote for him again. You need to reconsider your Jindal position. Really.
But doesn't Jindal have a 72% approval rating? I thought Louisiana was adding jobs and cutting taxes (6 or 7 times).
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:15:06pm |
re: #107 cronus
I thought nothing could top the train wreck that was the Kathleen Kennedy Townsend campaign for MD Gov...but the Coakley campaign just might do it.
Yep, it's been that kind of bad. The Dems blew their own feet off this time.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:15:06pm |
re: #65 Killgore Trout
That's interesting and it seems to be the lesson that the Tea Party is going to take away from this if they win. How could ex-Kennedy voters suddenly become uncomfortable with leftists? It doesn't make much sense to me. I guess we'll learn something from the exit polls.
Maybe because they were voting for the person rather than policy? That is, Ted Kennedy became somewhat of a legacy over the years. Now that the slate is clean it's up for grabs. I still wonder myself considering they elected Deval Patrick (D) and consistently for John Kerry (D). Perhaps this says more of Coakley's weaknesses then policy or ideology alone.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:15:09pm |
re: #104 Dark_Falcon
Thank you, ice. Unlike most people, you honestly admit it when your side misbehaves. Most liberals would avert their eyes, and it does you credit that you do not.
She's a crap candidate, who has run a crap campaign, and the Dems were probably hubristic and thinking that a rep couldn't take that seat. Inexcusable sloppiness on their part.
Frankly, I'm glad I don't have to vote in that election.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:15:33pm |
re: #112 Merryweather
1. He was for Roe vs Wade before he was against it.
2. He supports Romneycare but not a national healthcare bill.
3. He was happy to be supported by the Tea Partiers until he wasn't.
4. He backed a cap-and-trade system and then didn't.
Thanks.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:16:28pm |
re: #64 Merryweather
Yes, he will vote against it bcause it is here what t should be, a STATES RIGHTS ISSUE. We use existing health insurance companies. There is no government plan. That is what he will hopefully hold out for, that each state will address health care as it sees fit.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:16:50pm |
re: #107 cronus
I thought nothing could top the train wreck that was the Kathleen Kennedy Townsend campaign for MD Gov...but the Coakley campaign just might do it.
O'Malley's a lightweight isn't he? I live in MD and I'll NEVER vote for him.
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:17:17pm |
re: #111 Bagua
This is yet another example of this behaviour, "Are you questioning TEACHER?!? I'm telling!"
Ah geeze, the interwebs don't like me? Depressing. Ah well, move on with my life somehow I suppose.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:17:30pm |
re: #102 YoungLibertarian92
I kept the glasses, if I'm paying $13 to see it I'm keeping the glasses.
I saw it with my Dad, he's a socially and economically liberal but he's also a big foreign policy hawk (he's like Olympia Snowe) he didn't like it's streak of anti-Americanism either.
Sure it did..Just like in the Dark Knight everybody in NYC was a crook...
Did you know every cop in LA is a drug dealer?
It's a frigging Movie dude...
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:18:21pm |
re: #116 iceweasel
She's a crap candidate, who has run a crap campaign, and the Dems were probably hubristic and thinking that a rep couldn't take that seat. Inexcusable sloppiness on their part.
Frankly, I'm glad I don't have to vote in that election.
It's like Bush v. Gore. I wouldn't want either but someone had to win. (I know I couldn't vote then either, haha)
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:18:49pm |
re: #115 Gus 802
Maybe because they were voting for the person rather than policy? That is, Ted Kennedy became somewhat of a legacy over the years. Now that the slate is clean it's up for grabs. I still wonder myself considering they elected Deval Patrick (D) and consistently for John Kerry (D). Perhaps this says more of Coakley's weaknesses then policy or ideology alone.
I suspect you're probably right. I have a hard time seeing this as a referendum one way or the other. It probably comes down to individual candidates. I suspect the Dems were caught off guard. They probably just assumed the seat would go Dem and didn't worry too much about who they nominated and didn't bother campaigning until it was too late.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:18:55pm |
re: #107 cronus
I thought nothing could top the train wreck that was the Kathleen Kennedy Townsend campaign for MD Gov...but the Coakley campaign just might do it.
I still remember voting against her.
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Lidane Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:20:09pm |
re: #116 iceweasel
Frankly, I'm glad I don't have to vote in that election.
Same here. There's more than enough idiocy to deal with here in Texas. I'm glad I don't have a stake in this fight in MA.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:20:14pm |
re: #107 cronus
I thought nothing could top the train wreck that was the Kathleen Kennedy Townsend campaign for MD Gov...but the Coakley campaign just might do it.
Top 5 at least...of course Gore kissing Tipper for 3 hours on stage is right up there...Anytime the best campaign tip is from your daughter and it's not to wear brown you are in deep pucky...
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:20:32pm |
re: #121 HoosierHoops
It's a frigging Movie dude...
Movies are powerful. They inform us of where we are as a culture, that movie is just trying to make American's feel guilty about their lifestyle and government. It also shows how misinformed people are if they believe we are building an Empire in Af/Pak an Iraq.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:20:44pm |
re: #119 YoungLibertarian92
O'Malley's a lightweight isn't he? I live in MD and I'll NEVER vote for him.
Me too!
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:22:12pm |
re: #128 Mad Al-Jaffee
Who's running against him. I will campaign vigorously for whoever it is.
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jvic Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:22:19pm |
re: #75 CapeCoddah
Coakley refused to prosecute the rapist because his father was a union big shot who was a Coakley supporter.
CC, I've seen newslinks about the refusal to prosecute, but I haven't seen documentation of the political connection. (I've seen talking-head hearsay, of course.) If you'r not too busy, do you perchance have a newslink?
*** *** ***
Speaking of talking heads, I heard a bunch of them while driving a few weeks ago. They were obviously looking for pretexts, transparently veiled, to jail Bush & Cheney for torture. Who are these, ah, people, I wondered. Turned out they were the candidates for the Democrat Senate nomination.
Iirc, I thought that the guy who turned out to be You're-Screwed Capuano sounded more reasonable. IMHO he would have held the seat had he won the primary. Not the first time that either political party refused to nominate somebody because (sic) they'd win the election.
I'm not counting on Brown to win: this is a very blue state.
Brown's contribution page has an option for monthly donations. I suspect he ran just to get name recognition in preparation for a run against Deval Patrick in November. Perhaps similar to the current occupant of the Oval Office.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:22:24pm |
re: #77 Merryweather
Well, I can speak for Massachusetts voters, having been one all my adult life, and working so closely at the moment with an unbelievable number of registered lifetime democrats.
Your assumptions are incorrect and disingenuous.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:22:31pm |
re: #126 HoosierHoops
Top 5 at least...of course Gore kissing Tipper for 3 hours on stage is right up there...Anytime the best campaign tip is from your daughter and it's not to wear brown you are in deep pucky...
And remember Clinton and Gore and co. dancing to "Don't stop Thinking About Tomorrow" at the Democratic convention?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:22:53pm |
re: #113 YoungLibertarian92
But doesn't Jindal have a 72% approval rating? I thought Louisiana was adding jobs and cutting taxes (6 or 7 times).
Louisiana has low taxes now, but we always did. Nothing has changed.
As to adding jobs - Louisiana has never been as severely affected by economic downturns as other states have been. Ever. Nothing new there.
There are many many reasons we are disappointed in Jindal. One reason is one that has been discussed here many times, and that is that he supported and signed into law a bill allowing creationism a foothold in Louisiana public schools.
State agencies are cutting budges, people, services. This includes LSU research facilities - article in today's newspaper said the LSU agricultural research center is taking a $12 million budget cut, affecting research on food safety and healthfulness, crop production, biotechnology research, coastal plant issues to fight coastal erosion, diabetes, and production of chickens for the pharmaceutical industry.
So things are not going exactly wonderfully.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:23:06pm |
Being a poor little girl (Dragon) from sunny So Cal. I know nuthin bout MA races nor politics. Sorry boys and girls, I'm just gonna watch for awhile...have fun!
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:23:20pm |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
I suspect you're probably right. I have a hard time seeing this as a referendum one way or the other. It probably comes down to individual candidates. I suspect the Dems were caught off guard. They probably just assumed the seat would go Dem and didn't worry too much about who they nominated and didn't bother campaigning until it was too late.
Yes, a shoe-in that wasn't. Of course there's still an election to be run so we'll find out tomorrow. I'm wondering if the DNC will learn from this about being too confident in gauging independents. That's what plays a large role here as it does most everywhere: independents.
Another observation is that we did not see Sarah Palin jump into the fray. Is this also something the GOP can learn from? Is Brown's success also due to fact that Sarah Palin did not play a role as she did in New Yorks 23rd?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:23:47pm |
re: #129 YoungLibertarian92
Who's running against him. I will campaign vigorously for whoever it is.
I don't know. I heard Ehrlich might run again, and I wouldn't be surprised if Steele tried again.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:23:59pm |
re: #127 YoungLibertarian92
Movies are powerful. They inform us of where we are as a culture, that movie is just trying to make American's feel guilty about their lifestyle and government. It also shows how misinformed people are if they believe we are building an Empire in Af/Pak an Iraq.
Quite Concur.
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cronus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:24:04pm |
re: #126 HoosierHoops
Top 5 at least...of course Gore kissing Tipper for 3 hours on stage is right up there...Anytime the best campaign tip is from your daughter and it's not to wear brown you are in deep pucky...
Townsend was so bad that I briefly indulged the conspiracy theory that she was purposefully tanking herself because she didn't want the gig.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:24:29pm |
re: #127 YoungLibertarian92
Movies are powerful. They inform us of where we are as a culture, that movie is just trying to make American's feel guilty about their lifestyle and government. It also shows how misinformed people are if they believe we are building an Empire in Af/Pak an Iraq.
Interesting...So you are going to Georgetown? What are the chances I get Coach Thompson's Autograph?
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avanti Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:25:58pm |
I think the Dems took the race for granted, selected a weak candidate and just waited for her to win until it was too late. Nate Silver rates the odds.
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:26:03pm |
I'll be waiting for stock market futures after one of them concedes. :D
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offensive_username Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:26:23pm |
It’s looking like right wing tea party candidate Scott Brown will ride to victory
OK, I changed the post to "right wing" instead of far right, but there is very little doubt that his surge against Coakley is fueled by far right tea party populism.
But calling him a "moderate" is not correct either.
How is the description of Brown as a "right wing tea party candidate" informative? The far right is more divided than the center right, with the Boston Tea Party and Liberty Party endorsing Libertarian Joseph L. Kennedy. To my knowledge Brown has not accepted a formal Party endorsement from anyone other than the Republican Party.
Most of Brown's support comes from outside the marginal tea party movement.
Tea party types are a necessary part of any scenario that gets him 51% of the vote, but practically every constituency sees one or the other candidate as a lesser evil and is a necessary source of votes to win this close race. It's misleading to characterize Brown or Coakley by all their supporters and even more so to label either by only one extreme group!
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:26:24pm |
re: #86 MandyManners
And then she let him go OR.
After she TOLD the first grand jury not to indict, and dismissed them, it took TWO years for him to see his first night behind bars.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:27:15pm |
re: #120 McSpiff
Ah geeze, the interwebs don't like me? Depressing. Ah well, move on with my life somehow I suppose.
Not you in particular McSpiff, I've seen this behaviour several times, not primarily from you. Your instance is just an opportunity to highlight this and remain consistent.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:27:59pm |
re: #87 Bobibutu
Thats only ONE of Coakleys horror stories.
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:28:30pm |
re: #144 Bagua
Not you in particular McSpiff, I've seen this behaviour several times, not primarily from you. Your instance is just an opportunity to highlight this and remain consistent.
Is it alright if I still don't care?
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lostlakehiker Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:28:37pm |
re: #32 Charles
OK, I changed the post to "right wing" instead of far right, but there is very little doubt that his surge against Coakley is fueled by far right tea party populism.
But calling him a "moderate" is not correct either. He opposes stem cell research, wants a constitutional amendment to prevent same sex marriage, and in most other issues has a record of right wing ideological stances. His abortion position is a bit of an anomaly, and will probably change if he's elected.
If you define far right with respect to your own position on the political spectrum, then maybe it's "far right" to oppose legalization of gay marriage. But if you define "far right" as a position that's to the right of 75% of the country, say, then opposition to gay marriage is not far right. A majority of California voters are against it, and California is to the left of center nationally.
Gay marriage is arguably a far-left position on the national scene, but from the perspective of California, it's not far left either.
Positions on abortion are moot. No elected official has any say in what the law will be on abortion. The courts have ruled. There is zero chance that a constitutional amendment will come along to overturn that ruling.
If Brown wins, and if the win stands up on "recount", it won't be because of tea party populism. It will be because Mass. voters had sober second thoughts about the wisdom of the health care bill now before Congress, the wisdom of "cap and trade", and a host of other over-reaching and ill considered initiatives coming from the left. From this perspective, a true-blue leftist would want those initiatives to fail, lest through their success in Congress, and subsequent failure in the real world, they poison the public mind against all liberal ideas.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:28:43pm |
calling a come-from-behind kennedy victory tomorrow
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:28:46pm |
re: #131 CapeCoddah
Well, I can speak for Massachusetts voters, having been one all my adult life, and working so closely at the moment with an unbelievable number of registered lifetime democrats.
Your assumptions are incorrect and disingenuous.
I can understand my assumptions being incorrect, but disingenuous? Please. They were based on MA's history of being a reliably blue state. I would be genuinely surprised if the state that once voted for George McGovern has changed so much that Democrats there would be frightened by Obama's policies, which aren't even close to being far-left.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:28:53pm |
What's the difference between a weasel and a ferret?
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Dad O' Blondes Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:29:59pm |
I don't see Brown being "far right" -- at all.
And just to underscore the point, the "people of Massachusetts" have resisted all sorts of FOX News nonsense for years, and have voted in Dems in largely disproportionate numbers during that time -- excepting for a REP gov along the way.
I see Brown as being "middle of the road" and more than "passable" and I see Coakley as being barely competent. She is, in fact, a very fine example of prescisely the type of hand-me-down candidate that Obama ran AGAINST in 2008.
Very poor juxtaposition and poor messaging.
Brown by 9 points. And he deserves it.
And so do the "people of Mass" and "the people of America."
I'm down, with Brown.
.
.
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JRCMYP Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:29:59pm |
I could be wrong, but...I live in Massachusetts. Coakley will win. She just will.
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MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:30:12pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:30:14pm |
re: #140 avanti
I think the Dems took the race for granted, selected a weak candidate and just waited for her to win until it was too late. Nate Silver rates the odds.
With numbers running the way they are, I'd say that Brown winning is now the way the smart money bets. I'll be watching the totals come in tomorrow. Close elections are better TV than many baseball games, IMO.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:30:20pm |
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:30:21pm |
re: #74 iceweasel
Ice, we have referred to Carter as JIMMAH long before you showed up, for years.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:30:34pm |
re: #150 Spare O'Lake
What's the difference between a weasel and a ferret?
two emergency room visits
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:30:42pm |
re: #147 lostlakehiker
Equality is not a 'far-left position'.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:31:53pm |
re: #151 Dad O' Blondes
I don't see Brown being "far right" -- at all.
And just to underscore the point, the "people of Massachusetts" have resisted all sorts of FOX News nonsense for years, and have voted in Dems in largely disproportionate numbers during that time -- excepting for a REP gov along the way.
I see Brown as being "middle of the road" and more than "passable" and I see Coakley as being barely competent. She is, in fact, a very fine example of prescisely the type of hand-me-down candidate that Obama ran AGAINST in 2008.
Very poor juxtaposition and poor messaging.
Brown by 9 points. And he deserves it.
And so do the "people of Mass" and "the people of America."
I'm down, with Brown.
.
.
Me too. Politico does very good poll work.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:31:59pm |
re: #97 Stanley Sea
No, it is being used by my democratic friends and neighbors.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:32:03pm |
re: #156 CapeCoddah
Ice, we have referred to Carter as JIMMAH long before you showed up, for years.
I've also used the phrase 'weasel-words' for many years before Iceweasel became my friend.
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dejack Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:32:15pm |
I think a Brown win shows a variety of causes that do reflect a rejection of the left's attempt to take over a large part of the U.S. economy but that alone woould not be enough in Massachusetts. Brown could not have done it without Coakley's bide-esque foot-in-mouth campaign that served to alienate large swathes of the MA electorate.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:32:25pm |
re: #150 Spare O'Lake
What's the difference between a weasel and a ferret?
Why don't you tell us? In your inimitably passive aggressive way.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:32:29pm |
re: #133 reine.de.tout
State agencies are cutting budges, people, services. This includes LSU research facilities - article in today's newspaper said the LSU agricultural research center is taking a $12 million budget cut, affecting research on food safety and healthfulness, crop production, biotechnology research, coastal plant issues to fight coastal erosion, diabetes, and production of chickens for the pharmaceutical industry.
But I would've expected that from Jindal. He has to balance the budget with the new tax cuts. Jindal has always been a bureaucratic budget waste cutter. He did it when he ran the Department of Health and Hospitals (and took it from bankruptcy to surplus) and with the LSU system.
As for the creationism, I fully agree.
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GreenDroll Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:32:31pm |
Our government's designers never anticipated national participation, fundraising, and advertising in what they intended to be essentially local referendums so I am reluctant to contribute to an effort in another state, even though I may support it.
That said, I hope this is the beginning of a backlash against the notion that our government should do any more than it is doing now, and maybe should limit itself to doing a hell of a lot less.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:32:52pm |
re: #152 JRCMYP
I could be wrong, but...I live in Massachusetts. Coakley will win. She just will.
So no chance we could hire you to stand by the precinct with a baseball bat?
/
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:33:51pm |
re: #135 Gus 802
Another observation is that we did not see Sarah Palin jump into the fray. Is this also something the GOP can learn from? Is Brown's success also due to fact that Sarah Palin did not play a role as she did in New Yorks 23rd?
I feel pretty confident the the Tea Party will draw the completely wrong conclusion no matter what. If they loose they'll claim ACORN stole the election and if they win they'll claim that the country is risin up against the Cloward Piven radical marxists (instead of running a a moderate Republican).
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:34:22pm |
re: #97 Stanley Sea
Tea partiers, huh, funny, I learned the word as a child...so did everyone else. So, after less than a year of existence, any mention of the word socialism is Tea Party?
Nice try. You wish.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:34:59pm |
re: #136 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't know. I heard Ehrlich might run again, and I wouldn't be surprised if Steele tried again.
I'd even vote for Steele before I'd vote for O'Malley. Ehrlich is just a party hack.
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dejack Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:35:05pm |
re: #135 Gus 802
Another observation is that we did not see Sarah Palin jump into the fray. Is this also something the GOP can learn from? Is Brown's success also due to fact that Sarah Palin did not play a role as she did in New Yorks 23rd?
I think it was smart to keep Palin away from this particular campaign
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:35:12pm |
re: #150 Spare O'Lake
What's the difference between a weasel and a ferret?
About the same difference between a music video and this video:
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:35:15pm |
re: #161 Bagua
Marge, don't discourage the boy! Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals! Except the weasel.
-- Homer Simpson
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:35:17pm |
re: #149 Merryweather
I can understand my assumptions being incorrect, but disingenuous? Please. They were based on MA's history of being a reliably blue state. I would be genuinely surprised if the state that once voted for George McGovern has changed so much that Democrats there would be frightened by Obama's policies, which aren't even close to being far-left.
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Lidane Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:35:17pm |
re: #127 YoungLibertarian92
Movies are powerful. They inform us of where we are as a culture
True to an extent, but I still think that folks are giving Avatar way too much credit here.
Most of the reactions I've seen online, even among my fellow liberals, have been similar to mine-- it's technically a great film, but predictable and boring story-wise. I don't think I've seen anyone focusing on any particular message in the film, since by and large, folks have tended to ignore and roll their eyes at the story in favor of the visuals.
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JRCMYP Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:35:22pm |
AND I'd like to add, Brown is not a tea party candidate. He's absolutely not. Personally, I wish he was more socially liberal but he's hardly far right. Honestly. He's just not. If he is, he's been hiding it for years.
But I'd be surprised if he won. Massachusetts likes it politics. It also respects the Kennedys and this vote is a vote for Kennedy's legacy. Whatever that will be.
I don't know how I feel about national politics becoming part of this campaign. Is it good? Is it bad? *shrug* We're very academic up here but also super provincial.
Tomorrow is Tuesday!
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:35:22pm |
re: #100 iceweasel
Thats one hell of an ego you tote around there, Ice.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:35:35pm |
re: #156 CapeCoddah
Ice, we have referred to Carter as JIMMAH long before you showed up, for years.
See the links provided. Spare had a little history of using "Jimmah" for a while there to take passive-aggressive shots at our Jimmah.
Interestingly, he used the phrase 'back-biting' to describe him just the other day.
I've no quarrel with people using the word 'weasel'-- but I fully expected Spare to start making such comments involving the word 'weasel' once he'd been called out on the Jimmah business. He didn't let me down.
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Lidane Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:35:44pm |
re: #158 Varek Raith
Equality is not a 'far-left position'.
I'd upding this multiple times if I could. Well said!
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:36:39pm |
Sounds like Charles isn't overly thrilled at the prospect of a Brown victory.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:38:28pm |
re: #170 dejack
re: #135 Gus 802
Another observation is that we did not see Sarah Palin jump into the fray. Is this also something the GOP can learn from? Is Brown's success also due to fact that Sarah Palin did not play a role as she did in New Yorks 23rd?
I think it was smart to keep Palin away from this particular campaign
I think that even the Tea Party Express knew that Sarah Palin would be poorly received in the Bay State. It's territory where she is disliked, and they knew that she'd only lose the GOP votes.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:38:41pm |
Regarding the topic of Health Care on his page, how do you supposes he'll manage to do this:
support strengthening the existing private market system with policies that will drive down costs and make it easier for people to purchase affordable insurance.
?
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:38:58pm |
This is also interesting from 1988:
Michael Dukakis - 1,401,406 53.23%
George Bush - 1,194,644 45.38%
Wasn't exactly a landslide for Dukakis in Mass.
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Bob Dillon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:39:21pm |
re: #145 CapeCoddah
Thats only ONE of Coakleys horror stories.
Yeah ... and on that ONE alone ..... she could be running against a Martian or Mickey Mouse and I'd still be against her. She has shown by her ACTIONS how she thinks and what her values are. Yuck!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:39:22pm |
re: #179 Boogberg
Sounds like Charles isn't overly thrilled at the prospect of a Brown victory.
I'm now either. He seems like a semi-ok guy but I'd really want some things to get done like healtcare reform before we go back to deadlock in Washington. My health insurance costs have more than doubled in the past 5 years. It's insanity.
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darthstar Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:39:30pm |
Speaking of power...but not teaparty power...got home from Tahoe a few hours ago. On our way home, we stopped at Home Depot and bought a 3600 watt generator because I had a feeling this set of storms would be knocking down trees in our area. Unfortunately, I should have also bought a chain-saw, as there was, in fact, a tree across the power lines leading to and about thirty feet from our home. It totally blocked the steps and we had to climb across the hot-tub to get to the house(it came with the property).
So, I call PG&E and tell them I've got a tree down (again), and they send a truck--relatively quickly...only took about an hour. The guy cuts the power lines loose and as soon as they spring into the air he kills the saw and says, "See ya!".
I said, "Wait, there's still a fucking oak tree on my steps! Can you at least piece it down a bit so I can move it?"
"No," says the we must protect ourselves from lawsuits guy.
I say, "Well, that's a mighty attractive saw...might I take a look at it?"
"Why yes, of course," says the now sounding much more reasonable man.
So I looked at the chain-saw, which started quite nicely when I pulled on the starter, and the next thing you know, I've got the tree cut into about seven pieces small enough for me to drag down the stairs and to the side of the house.
Oh, and to keep this on the balance of power subject, we're now the proud owners of a Husky (100 dollars less online, apparently)...not to be confused with our Australian Cattle Dog and our Border Collie mix.
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:39:39pm |
re: #173 Gus 802
Massachusetts voted for Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984.
Ah right. Well that makes the choice of Coakley even worse, as that should've told the Dems there and then that Massachusetts doesn't like shitty Democratic candidates - Carter and Mondale, respectively.
To be honest, I think MA being the home of the Kennedys affects how people think about the state (I plead guilty).
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:40:33pm |
re: #141 Boogberg
I'll be waiting for stock market futures after one of them concedes. :D
As will I. Problem is, I want to sell a few covered calls tomorrow. Brown being ahead makes it tough.
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arethusa Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:40:36pm |
re: #173 Gus 802
Remember, though, Reagan won by big electoral college majorities in 1980 and 1984, though. Only what? 5 states? went for Carter in 1980. And only one went for Mondale in 1984. MA will elect Republicans at the state level (they had GOP governors for 16 years straight) but I think on the federal level, Brown even having a chance to win is a shock.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:40:51pm |
re: #186 darthstar
I love Tahoe...Did you take Hiway 50 south?
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:40:56pm |
re: #103 lostlakehiker
Coakley was the one who prosecuted the infamous "Amirault" child abuse case. That's the one where the day care providers were tried and convicted on charges of raping little children in a magic secret room. A room which for a fact did not exist.
The conviction was overturned on appeal, inevitably, and they were set free, but only after a long struggle through the appellate process. Coakley had won the case and by gum she wanted it to stay won, justice be damned.
She still insists they were guilty. Of magic. Phaugh. She is quite unfit for any office, because she doesn't give a fig for justice. A prosecutor has a duty to not try to win cases that she knows are busted flushes, and a duty to accept that she's lost when the cards are on the table and it's apparent she hasn't got any.
As to the health care bill now before Congress, it's a change of course from existing law, but to call it reform is a stretch. Most likely it will make matters slowly and inexorably worse. It's not been thought out. It has noxious provisions in it, such as taxing upper-tier health insurance policies provided by employers, but only if the employee is not a member of a union.
How can you justify punishing someone for not being in a union?
The Democrats are now saying that they'll do what it takes to nullify Brown's election if he does win. Count slowly. Count wrong. Refuse to seat him promptly, if ever. Change the rules of procedure so that his election, if it should become official, doesn't affect the passage of that health bill after all.
Not quite. That was the immensely corrupt L. Scott Harsbarger, ACORN investigator extraordinaire, was our AG then. He is responsible, along with two of his successors, Tom Reilly, then Martha Coakley. Harshbarger should have been disbarred and prosecuted for what he did to the Amiraults. Reilly and Coakley should be in the same cell, as they continued to torture this completely innocent family.
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jvic Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:41:05pm |
Here, and especially here, are partisan discussions of Coakley's deficiencies as a candidate. Money quote:
This is the kind of political stupidity it takes for a Democrat to lose a Senate race in Massachusetts. You can’t just run a weak campaign, or commit a gaffe or two. You’ve got to run an absolute disaster of a campaign to lose to a Republican here.And that’s what Coakley delivered. It wasn’t the Hindenburg or the Titanic. It was the Hindenburg crashing into the Titanic.
Hilarious IMHO, but I caution again that Coakley hasn't lost yet.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:41:31pm |
re: #168 CapeCoddah
Tea partiers, huh, funny, I learned the word as a child...so did everyone else. So, after less than a year of existence, any mention of the word socialism is Tea Party?
Nice try. You wish.
I'll just reiterate, I've never heard a liberal or democrat speak of their fear of America falling into "socialism". Never. It is one of the talking points of Glenn Beck and the other Tea Party folks. I'm not trying anything, just pointing out what I see as a fallacy in your statement.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:42:11pm |
re: #188 Merryweather
Ah right. Well that makes the choice of Coakley even worse, as that should've told the Dems there and then that Massachusetts doesn't like shitty Democratic candidates - Carter and Mondale, respectively.
To be honest, I think MA being the home of the Kennedys affects how people think about the state (I plead guilty).
My only point was that Mass. isn't 100% reliably Democratic party voters. Given that Romney was also governor.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:42:45pm |
re: #187 YoungLibertarian92
One up for a no BS link.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:43:05pm |
If were living in this Mass. district, I'd vote write in.
Palpatine for Senator.
;)
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:43:26pm |
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:43:51pm |
re: #190 arethusa
Remember, though, Reagan won by big electoral college majorities in 1980 and 1984, though. Only what? 5 states? went for Carter in 1980. And only one went for Mondale in 1984. MA will elect Republicans at the state level (they had GOP governors for 16 years straight) but I think on the federal level, Brown even having a chance to win is a shock.
Yeah, that was a lot of "red states" for both years.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:43:55pm |
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Bob Dillon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:44:29pm |
re: #148 SpaceJesus
calling a come-from-behind kennedy victory tomorrow
Well, I did read somewhere that over 100,000 deceased persons are still on the roles and another ~600,000 with unverified/invaled addresses.
Whatever, it should prove interesting and instructive.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:44:32pm |
re: #197 Varek Raith
If were living in this Mass. district, I'd vote write in.
Palpatine for Senator.
;)
Mega Updings to that!
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:44:47pm |
re: #112 Merryweather
Yeah, the Boston Globe... they have yet to admit Martha is behind. Really skewed source.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:44:49pm |
re: #7 Blue Fin
And no party should have a super majority...balance is a good thing
Only when the two parties are willing to work together for the good of the nation...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:45:02pm |
re: #197 Varek Raith
If were living in this Mass. district, I'd vote write in.
Palpatine for Senator.
;)
That's just because you want those contracts for the Death Star Project.
/Stay on Target!
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:45:36pm |
re: #201 YoungLibertarian92
When you want to follow the money (often crucial) try [Link: www.opensecrets.org...]
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:45:56pm |
re: #207 Dark_Falcon
That's just because you want those contracts for the Death Star Project.
/Stay on Target!
Dammit! Does no one understand 'operational security' anymore?!?!
///:D
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:46:43pm |
re: #207 Dark_Falcon
Today I went to a bank wearing a Darth Vader suit to get a loan, I told them "I want to build a space station with enough power to destroy a planet." They turned me down.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:46:53pm |
re: #205 CapeCoddah
Yeah, the Boston Globe... they have yet to admit Martha is behind. Really skewed source.
They'll be having a "Dewey Defeats Truman" moment tomorrow night.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:46:56pm |
re: #164 YoungLibertarian92
But I would've expected that from Jindal. He has to balance the budget with the new tax cuts. Jindal has always been a bureaucratic budget waste cutter. He did it when he ran the Department of Health and Hospitals (and took it from bankruptcy to surplus) and with the LSU system.
As for the creationism, I fully agree.
Such drastic reduction of funding for the research efforts that support one of the state's largest money-making industries (agriculture) is not smart, imo.
The DHH was indeed bloated, but actually - he shuffled the problems around more than actually solving them. DHH never ran a "surplus" - state agencies do not run into a surplus, ever. "Surplus" has to be returned to the state, and the next budget is reduced accordingly. Agencies have every incentive to spend all their money.
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JRCMYP Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:47:10pm |
re: #32 Charles
OK, I changed the post to "right wing" instead of far right, but there is very little doubt that his surge against Coakley is fueled by far right tea party populism.
But calling him a "moderate" is not correct either. He opposes stem cell research, wants a constitutional amendment to prevent same sex marriage, and in most other issues has a record of right wing ideological stances. His abortion position is a bit of an anomaly, and will probably change if he's elected.
Actually, you are right about this Charles. Many of these issues don't come up in state elections. So, most MA voters haven't heard about his personal opinions about these matters until now. I voted for him for state senate this past year becuase his opponent was a dumbass. The race was about health care, really. He seemed to have a serious grasp on the fiscal issues implementing our state mandated problems, and she....did not. She called me personally because I'm an independent. I asked her some pointed questions that she couldn't answer. It wasn't that Brown won my vote, but that she lost it.
So, he apparently doesn't "believe in" climate change. Weird. Is fuzzy on abortion rights (why would he be explicit until now??), and "accepts" gay marriage in MA but certainly isn't a pro-proponent.
Coakley is a brand name here. Brown is not. My opinion? Coakley will win because she's a democratic candidate with a brand name. And we often have "close" Dem/Rep state-level elections. And we often have Republican governers. But they *have* to be socially liberal. Think Bill Weld. I loved Bill Weld. Social *neutral* but fiscally conservative. The Republican party kicked him out on his ass. I've never forgiven them for that.
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:47:12pm |
re: #189 Jetpilot1101
How so? Wouldn't that make the calls more valuable?
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:47:26pm |
re: #206 jamesfirecat
Only when the two parties are willing to work together for the good of the nation...
I'd drink to that, if I knew who to toast! :-)
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:47:38pm |
re: #210 Varek Raith
Dammit! Does no one understand 'operational security' anymore?!?!
///:D
I can't help but laugh when you're in the thread Varek. It's just awesome.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:47:45pm |
re: #211 YoungLibertarian92
Today I went to a bank wearing a Darth Vader suit to get a loan, I told them "I want to build a space station with enough power to destroy a planet." They turned me down.
Should've gone to BoA!
:D
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cronus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:48:51pm |
Watching the Beltway Republican Punditocracy engaging in pregame endzone dancing makes me nervous.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:48:57pm |
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:49:09pm |
re: #217 McSpiff
I can't help but laugh when you're in the thread Varek. It's just awesome.
Me too! I love it when you're on a roll...
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:49:21pm |
re: #211 YoungLibertarian92
Today I went to a bank wearing a Darth Vader suit to get a loan, I told them "I want to build a space station with enough power to destroy a planet." They turned me down.
I know a lobbyist that might be able to help you...
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:49:21pm |
re: #216 Dragon_Lady
I'd drink to that, if I knew who to toast! :-)
Always toast the guy with the Bodyguards..
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arethusa Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:49:43pm |
re: #220 Mad Al-Jaffee
Final Season Of 'Lost' Promises To Make Fans More Annoying Than Ever
I have to say, I am so glad it's the last season of "Lost." No offense intended to its fans.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:49:45pm |
re: #219 cronus
So does a wonky sports fan.
J/K!
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:49:51pm |
re: #220 Mad Al-Jaffee
Final Season Of 'Lost' Promises To Make Fans More Annoying Than Ever
Ruh-roh, paging Walter!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:50:20pm |
re: #226 Varek Raith
Ruh-roh, paging Walter!
I was just thinking that!
Although, we don't really need to page him, he'll be cranky regardless . . .
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:50:25pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:50:51pm |
re: #210 Varek Raith
Dammit! Does no one understand 'operational security' anymore?!?!
///:D
I've got some friends at Industrial Automaton. They noticed the spike in R3 procurement and clued in. It's always the little things...
[R3s are Star Wars droids used for work on capital ships. They are the same size and build as R2s but have different programming.]
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:51:02pm |
re: #220 Mad Al-Jaffee
They can get more annoying than bitching about what nerve President Obama has even thinking about doing the SOTU at the same time as the Lost season premiere?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:51:15pm |
re: #224 arethusa
I have to say, I am so glad it's the last season of "Lost." No offense intended to its fans.
I've never seen it. I might get the first season from Netflix or the library one of these days just to see what people are raving so much about.
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:51:59pm |
re: #215 Boogberg
How so? Wouldn't that make the calls more valuable?
The option chain shouldn't change much tomorrow. Wall street won't know until later that night but I think they will respond well to perceived "gridlock" in DC if Brown wins. So yes, they will be more valuable but, I believe only so, once the street knows the outcome. It's a gamble to sell them tomorrow because I may get called out and sell lower then a market rally would drive the underlying position.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:52:08pm |
re: #223 HoosierHoops
I'd do that but I don't like being drunk all the time! I have enough headaches as it is!
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JRCMYP Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:52:21pm |
re: #170 dejack
re: #135 Gus 802
Another observation is that we did not see Sarah Palin jump into the fray. Is this also something the GOP can learn from? Is Brown's success also due to fact that Sarah Palin did not play a role as she did in New Yorks 23rd?
I think it was smart to keep Palin away from this particular campaign
Jesus Christ. Just hearing Palin say on Fox that she would LOVE for Brown to win, etc., made me want to run out and vote for Coakely multiple times. Seriously. She's a problem for us Independents.
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:53:16pm |
re: #234 JRCMYP
Jesus Christ. Just hearing Palin say on Fox that she would LOVE for Brown to win, etc., made me want to run out and vote for Coakely multiple times. Seriously. She's a problem for us Independents.
Live in Mass.?
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arethusa Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:53:21pm |
re: #231 Mad Al-Jaffee
I've never seen it. I might get the first season from Netflix or the library one of these days just to see what people are raving so much about.
Take it from me (who endured through Season 2 before getting too disgusted to go on). It's not worth losing 22 hours of your life.
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darthstar Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:53:25pm |
re: #191 HoosierHoops
I love Tahoe...Did you take Hiway 50 south?
We spent Sunday night at our ski house and drove back on 80 today. (we're on the north shore)
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:53:36pm |
re: #232 Jetpilot1101
The option chain shouldn't change much tomorrow. Wall street won't know until later that night but I think they will respond well to perceived "gridlock" in DC if Brown wins. So yes, they will be more valuable but, I believe only so, once the street knows the outcome. It's a gamble to sell them tomorrow because I may get called out and sell lower then a market rally would drive the underlying position.
who cares about that...if Browns elected maybe he can help save us from the Red Threat
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:53:39pm |
O/T
The Taliban today attempted to repeat the Tet offensive. It failed. I call it the tut, tut offensive. CBS gives it the worst possible spin. But they admit the win only took 5 hours. Katie Couric is a natural phenomenon. No gravity at all.
FAIL.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:54:11pm |
re: #239 albusteve
who cares about that...if Browns elected maybe he can help save us from the Red Threat
I thought that was the Blue Threat?
/
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:54:17pm |
re: #234 JRCMYP
Jesus Christ. Just hearing Palin say on Fox that she would LOVE for Brown to win, etc., made me want to run out and vote for Coakely multiple times. Seriously. She's a problem for us Independents.
That's why she has said so little about Brown. Tonight she can say it, because its too late to really have a negative impact and it will help motivate any Palin fans in Massachusetts (not that there are many) to vote tomorrow.
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Lidane Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:54:31pm |
re: #197 Varek Raith
If were living in this Mass. district, I'd vote write in.
Palpatine for Senator.
;)
He's not eligible. He's already running the Vatican.
/////
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:54:33pm |
We'll I'm leaving early. I'm gonna work on my Sims and maybe get around to reading that "Super Freakonomics" book I spend $30 on.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:54:35pm |
re: #234 JRCMYP
Jesus Christ. Just hearing Palin say on Fox that she would LOVE for Brown to win, etc., made me want to run out and vote for Coakely multiple times. Seriously. She's a problem for us Independents.
you need to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff...altho it's hard around here
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:54:58pm |
re: #234 JRCMYP
Jesus Christ. Just hearing Palin say on Fox that she would LOVE for Brown to win, etc., made me want to run out and vote for Coakely multiple times. Seriously. She's a problem for us Independents.
ah yes, the kiss of death.
is palin secretly some kind of democrat super weapon?
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:55:28pm |
re: #149 Merryweather
Your polite assumption that I must be wrong, having lived and worked here all my life, that you know the people's minds here better than I do, because my opinion does not quite fit with what you think MUST be the truth, and the little head pat to go with it is insulting and yes, disingenuous.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:55:44pm |
re: #224 arethusa
I have to say, I am so glad it's the last season of "Lost." No offense intended to its fans.
Wow... take that back...
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:55:57pm |
re: #239 albusteve
who cares about that...if Browns elected maybe he can help save us from the Red Threat
That made me smile. Bottom line, I care about making money and I figure I'm helping out the greater good by paying a crapload in capital gains taxes.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:55:58pm |
re: #229 Dark_Falcon
I've got some friends at Industrial Automaton. They noticed the spike in R3 procurement and clued in. It's always the little things...
[R3s are Star Wars droids used for work on capital ships. They are the same size and build as R2s but have different programming.]
Phew, for a second there I suspected Qwi Xux...
:D
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:56:00pm |
re: #220 Mad Al-Jaffee
Final Season Of 'Lost' Promises To Make Fans More Annoying Than Ever
Spot on... love it.
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TampaKnight Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:56:24pm |
I'm sorry to Charles, but this post is ridiculous. Brown is riding a tea party wave of conservative populist anger in MASSACHUSETTS? C'mon. If there is one state, and one Senate seat, that would be free from any "Tea party" influence it would be this one. Mass. is a Democratic stronghold and to suggest that Brown may win due soley to "tea parties and Fox News" is frankly an injustice to what Brown has done.
Maybe, just maybe people are sick of what the Democrats have done thus far with a super majority and like what Brown has to say.
And the idea that Brown is some far right idiot is a fairly terrible generalization of him.
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krypto Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:56:30pm |
re: #12 Innismir
Charles:
MA voter here, I don't think Brown is that far right. He supports Roe v Wade, he's been repeatedly been elected in MA (come on, how far right can you be around here?) and he's no knuckle-dragging bible thumper.
I dislike the out-of-towners coming to his aid, but he has been running a campaign long before the activists came around. I feel it's unfair to call him a "tea party candidate"
Cheers.
MA voter here too.
The robo call I had from Brown was a fake opinion poll whose questions were worded to recruit votes, not ask opinions. When it got to the question, "Do you consider yourself A TEA PARTY PATRIOT," mispronouncing the word "extremist" as "patriot," it left little question of his Tea Party admiration. Even beyond that, I don't think it is any secret that the Tea Party types are his allies and that he is proud of the association.
Brown is not independent as he claims. He really is a right wing Republican who has openly announced his intention to use his one vote to support a Republican filibuster to keep health care reform from being voted on. It took many months of major effort to produce the pending reform legislation in the face of extreme - and often totally dishonest - opposition of right wingers eager to protect the abuses of the health insurance industry, and willing to ignore the medical needs of Americans just to hand Obama a defeat. If it takes that major an effort, and still leads to having the bill defeated, it will not "go back to the drawing board" as Brown claims. He knows perfectly well there will simply be no meaningful health care reform, and probably not even another serious attempt in the foreseeable future, probably in the present generation.
The pending health care reform legislation is not perfect. Like any legislation it is not hard to find one thing or another about it that gives pause. But overall it would do many good things and it is infinitely better than the alternative.
Scott Brown, if elected, intends to use his one senate vote to derail the health reform legislation, knowing and intending that he will be derailing the last train out of the station.
So I am voting for Coakley, and hoping that Brown loses.
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arethusa Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:57:28pm |
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:57:36pm |
re: #249 Jetpilot1101
That made me smile. Bottom line, I care about making money and I figure I'm helping out the greater good by paying a crapload in capital gains taxes.
Hi you! Hope you are doing great!
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:57:42pm |
re: #249 Jetpilot1101
That made me smile. Bottom line, I care about making money and I figure I'm helping out the greater good by paying a crapload in capital gains taxes.
I've sworn I will never pay another cent of capital gains...never again, time for some payback in fact
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:58:05pm |
I love that in the Onion story about Lost there's a caption about pans to use the same technique used on The Wire fans on Lost fans. Us Wire fans can be pretty preachy about our favorite show.
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YoungLibertarian92 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:58:16pm |
re: #253 krypto
"Do you consider yourself A TEA PARTY PATRIOT," mispronouncing the word "extremist" as "patriot,"
I'm just curious. Do you mean they are extreme in their support for free market economics (I'd throw my hat into that ring) or do you mean they're extremely socially conservative (I AM NOT)?
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brookly red Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:58:23pm |
re: #247 CapeCoddah
Your polite assumption that I must be wrong, having lived and worked here all my life, that you know the people's minds here better than I do, because my opinion does not quite fit with what you think MUST be the truth, and the little head pat to go with it is insulting and yes, disingenuous.
yet they wonder why people are so pissed...
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Bob Dillon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:58:26pm |
re: #240 Rightwingconspirator
O/T
The Taliban today attempted to repeat the Tet offensive. It failed. I call it the tut, tut offensive. CBS gives it the worst possible spin. But they admit the win only took 5 hours. Katie Couric is a natural phenomenon. No gravity at all.FAIL.
To compare it to the Tet Offensive is to announce their supreme ignorance. These people haven't a clue ... and people listen to them as if they did.
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JRCMYP Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:58:40pm |
re: #246 SpaceJesus
ah yes, the kiss of death.
is palin secretly some kind of democrat super weapon?
LOL she must be. Actually, she's a circus clown.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:58:49pm |
re: #240 Rightwingconspirator
O/T
The Taliban today attempted to repeat the Tet offensive. It failed. I call it the tut, tut offensive. CBS gives it the worst possible spin. But they admit the win only took 5 hours. Katie Couric is a natural phenomenon. No gravity at all.FAIL.
CBS keeps on following in Walter Cronkite's footsteps, even when they shouldn't. FAIL is a correct analysis. It's worth remembering that the VC sappers who broke onto the US Embassy grounds were annihilated by the defending Marines before they could accomplish anything. But the media turned the VC's failure into a victory with their flawed reporting.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:59:14pm |
re: #63 Mad Al-Jaffee
I finally saw Avatar. Saw it in 3d Imax tonight. Amazing visuals. Stupid story. And I think now I have a thing for tall blue chicks and Latino helicopter pilots.
Don't let the plot get in the way of the awesome special effects. You want plotting, go watch an old black & white Hitchcock flick.
Can't wait to see Avatar in 3D.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:59:23pm |
Watching Dirk take on the Celts single handed. Man, that guy can shoot a basketball. Beautiful form. 7'1" of Pistol Pete.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:59:43pm |
re: #250 Varek Raith
Phew, for a second there I suspected Qwi Xux...
:D
We are a pair of geeks, aren't we?
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 6:59:53pm |
re: #255 HoosierHoops
Hi you! Hope you are doing great!
The fam and I are doing great. I wasn't called up to go to Haiti but a few of my buddies from the unit are down there and it's a complete disaster. I've been to PoP a few times and it was hell when it was standing. I can only imagine how bad it is now. For the praying folk, keep those people in your prayers, they need all the help they can get.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:00:17pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:00:51pm |
re: #186 darthstar
You don't already own a chain saw?
Sheesh! What were you thinking?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:00:58pm |
re: #263 Alouette
Don't let the plot get in the way of the awesome special effects. You want plotting, go watch an old black & white Hitchcock flick.
Can't wait to see Avatar in 3D.
I don't know, I kind of like movies with a decent plot and dialogue and that doesn't have a message that insults my intelligence.
District 9 was a 1,000 time better science fiction movie, with an intelligent social/political theme.
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:01:28pm |
re: #256 albusteve
I've sworn I will never pay another cent of capital gains...never again, time for some payback in fact
As much as I hate paying them to uncle sam, their very existence means that I'm making money.
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arethusa Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:01:46pm |
re: #257 Mad Al-Jaffee
I love that in the Onion story about Lost there's a caption about pans to use the same technique used on The Wire fans on Lost fans. Us Wire fans can be pretty preachy about our favorite show.
Now The Wire I can get behind.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:01:47pm |
re: #177 iceweasel
Bummer. I have seen you take your share of nasty shots. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:01:49pm |
re: #247 CapeCoddah
Your polite assumption that I must be wrong, having lived and worked here all my life, that you know the people's minds here better than I do, because my opinion does not quite fit with what you think MUST be the truth, and the little head pat to go with it is insulting and yes, disingenuous.
You may find it insulting, or you may continue to disagree with her-- but that doesn't make her disingenuous, nor have you yet demonstrated she is disingenuous.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:02:15pm |
re: #253 krypto
If a robocall from Brown mentions the Tea Party Patriots, it is hard to deny.
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:02:32pm |
re: #246 SpaceJesus
ah yes, the kiss of death.
is palin secretly some kind of democrat super weapon?
The perfect democrat weapon - as irresistable to wingnuts as she is electorally disastrous.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:02:57pm |
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:03:26pm |
re: #272 CapeCoddah
Bummer. I have seen you take your share of nasty shots. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
Lol. No worries here. I have no problem dishing -- or taking.
I see a lot of whining from people who don't like that about me. Tough.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:03:26pm |
re: #262 Dark_Falcon
CBS keeps on following in Walter Cronkite's footsteps, even when they shouldn't. FAIL is a correct analysis. It's worth remembering that the VC sappers who broke onto the US Embassy grounds were annihilated by the defending Marines before they could accomplish anything. But the media turned the VC's failure into a victory with their flawed reporting.
that whole VC embassy thing was flawed from the beginning...but fight up in Hue was another story altogether...the real deal NVA put up a hell of a fight, their intention was presumably to seize the city
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:03:34pm |
I gotta go. I taped 24 tonight and now it's time to watch it.
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:03:43pm |
re: #232 Jetpilot1101
No such thing as a bad profit! You can always buy back. I keep forgetting about covered calls. Great way to pick up a few bucks.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:03:50pm |
re: #252 TampaKnight
Maybe, just maybe people are sick of what the Democrats have done thus far with a super majority and like what Brown has to say. And the idea that Brown is some far right idiot is a fairly terrible generalization of him.
Agreed.
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:03:53pm |
re: #247 CapeCoddah
Your polite assumption that I must be wrong, having lived and worked here all my life, that you know the people's minds here better than I do, because my opinion does not quite fit with what you think MUST be the truth, and the little head pat to go with it is insulting and yes, disingenuous.
WTF? How can an assumption be disingenuous if it's based on what I believe rightly or wrongly is true? And I didn't say you were wrong, I just expressed skepticism - e.g. I said "I find it hard to believe..." - that Democrats would be frightened of socialism.
And which part of "I can't speak for Massachusetts voters" didn't you get? I'm actually saying I don't presume to know their minds.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:04:07pm |
re: #266 Jetpilot1101
The fam and I are doing great. I wasn't called up to go to Haiti but a few of my buddies from the unit are down there and it's a complete disaster. I've been to PoP a few times and it was hell when it was standing. I can only imagine how bad it is now. For the praying folk, keep those people in your prayers, they need all the help they can get.
I'm glad you and the family are doing well.. Haiti was number one on Lizard prayer list Sunday Morning.. The heartbreak is unimaginable..The sorrow is beyond our experience as humans...
Thank you for your service
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:04:47pm |
re: #262 Dark_Falcon
CBS keeps on following in Walter Cronkite's footsteps, even when they shouldn't. FAIL is a correct analysis. It's worth remembering that the VC sappers who broke onto the US Embassy grounds were annihilated by the defending Marines before they could accomplish anything. But the media turned the VC's failure into a victory with their flawed reporting.
Anyone else notice how the press seems genuinely suprised at how well the Haitian's are behaving overall? On CBS the reporter did a report on some people looting and then seemed almost disappointed to note it was really only in the worst part of town that the gangs were behaving so badly and in most places there was calm. The BBC just repeated an interview with Pres Clinton in which he was asked about security fears and and how gangs were interfereing with aid distribution. He actually responded great. I hate the guy a little less for his response.
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darthstar Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:04:57pm |
re: #268 Floral Giraffe
You don't already own a chain saw?
Sheesh! What were you thinking?
I actually used to have one, but hadn't needed one for years due to city living...it's at the ex's parents' now.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:05:19pm |
re: #278 iceweasel
Lol. No worries here. I have no problem dishing -- or taking.
I see a lot of whining from people who don't like that about me. Tough.
Yeah, but can you... take a sneak attack snowball fight!?
*Throws snowballs at Ice...witch is ironic...:P*
/
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:05:29pm |
re: #186 darthstar
Your ACD red or Blue.. Our girl is red. Great pooches, huh?
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cronus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:05:47pm |
OT: Finally something that unites the country?
Poll: Most Don't Want Sarah Palin to Run for President
A new CBS News poll finds that a large majority of Americans say they do not want former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to run for president.
Specifically, 71 percent say they do not want the former Republican vice presidential nominee to run for president, while 21 percent say they do want her to run.
When the results are split out by party, 56 percent of Republicans say they do not want her to seek the office and 30 percent do. Meanwhile, 88 percent of Democrats do not want her to run. Among independents, 65 percent do not want her to run and 25 percent do.
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:06:08pm |
re: #273 iceweasel
You may find it insulting, or you may continue to disagree with her-- but that doesn't make her disingenuous, nor have you yet demonstrated she is disingenuous.
Thanks for the support Ice - that completely baffled me. And if he found what I was saying insulting, he must have very thin skin.
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:06:15pm |
re: #281 Boogberg
No such thing as a bad profit! You can always buy back. I keep forgetting about covered calls. Great way to pick up a few bucks.
Truer words were never spoken. Covered calls rock. I personally like the buy/write strategy on short term option expirations. Once the option expires, sell the call again and reap the rewards.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:06:23pm |
re: #287 Varek Raith
Yeah, but can you... take a sneak attack snowball fight!?
*Throws snowballs at Ice...witch is ironic...:P*
/
Damn. It. witch should be which.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:06:56pm |
re: #285 Escaped Hillbilly
Anyone else notice how the press seems genuinely suprised at how well the Haitian's are behaving overall? On CBS the reporter did a report on some people looting and then seemed almost disappointed to note it was really only in the worst part of town that the gangs were behaving so badly and in most places there was calm. The BBC just repeated an interview with Pres Clinton in which he was asked about security fears and and how gangs were interfereing with aid distribution. He actually responded great. I hate the guy a little less for his response.
machete vs M4s and Remington 12ga....induces good behavior
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Lidane Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:07:13pm |
re: #289 cronus
OT: Finally something that unites the country?
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:07:43pm |
re: #287 Varek Raith
Yeah, but can you... take a sneak attack snowball fight!?
*Throws snowballs at Ice...witch is ironic...:P*
/
Iceweasel has immunity to all frost-based attacks.
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Lidane Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:08:00pm |
Ugh. PIMF.
I meant to post that she's truly a bipartisan figure now. Both sides agree she should never be handed the keys to power.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:08:29pm |
re: #279 albusteve
that whole VC embassy thing was flawed from the beginning...but fight up in Hue was another story altogether...the real deal NVA put up a hell of a fight, their intention was presumably to seize the city
They put up a fight because we let them. Didn't want to damage any historical structures you know. Such is modern warfare, we spend blood for artifacts.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:08:35pm |
re: #194 Stanley Sea
And how many Massachusetts voters have YOU spoken to about this race in person?
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JRCMYP Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:09:02pm |
re: #253 krypto
Whoa. Weird. I wonder what market segment you fall into. I got a fairly benign call from a grandmother type asking if she could count on my vote. I said "No, because I have questions..." which she cut me off and didn't let me ask. Too bad. Then she asked me survey questions about what were the most important issues facing massachusetts: healthcare, the economy, employment and ... can't remember the last. I said "none" because I didn't want to help in a survey if I couldn't ask questions myself. Bummer all around.
My brother in law is a scientist and is positive that Brown doesn't "believe in" climate change. My BIL is also very politically active (with the state reps and senators) so, he may be right. I don't know, really. But it's not that I think Brown is a freak, bible thumping right winger. I don't. But also don't like the idea of national politics interfering in this election.
Republicans here don't always get a fair shake, not becuase they aren't smart of capable, but because if they knock on your door and say that they are Republicans, most people think "Oh, shit. You must be a freak if you're trying to run for office as a Republican. Can't you run as a fiscally conservative democrat? Do you have an axe to grind with gays or abortion rights or something?"
We are a confusing state.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:09:18pm |
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darthstar Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:09:21pm |
re: #288 CapeCoddah
Your ACD red or Blue.. Our girl is red. Great pooches, huh?
Banjo's a Red Heeler. Here he is on the beach and again riding a wave (he loves hammering through the breakers).
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:10:12pm |
re: #286 darthstar
Retrieval time, if possible!
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abbyadams Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:10:12pm |
re: #7 Blue Fin
And the Dems super majority has meant...what,exactly?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:10:24pm |
re: #298 CapeCoddah
And how many Massachusetts voters have YOU spoken to about this race in person?
Dude, I'm just going with the Tea Party connection. You are the one re-directing the argument. Go Tea!
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:10:34pm |
re: #295 Jimmah
Iceweasel has immunity to all frost-based attacks.
Hmm. Try this!
Katon: Goukakyuu no Jutsu!
/geek alert!
:)
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:10:52pm |
re: #297 The Shadow Do
They put up a fight because we let them. Didn't want to damage any historical structures you know. Such is modern warfare, we spend blood for artifacts.
yes, that was a factor, yet my point is the NVA intended on kicking some ass and they did...reducing sections of the city may have even played into their strategy....like Stalingrad
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:11:18pm |
re: #285 Escaped Hillbilly
Hey, a little off topic, but I want to point something out to you. Don't be referencing me, or making sarcastic comments about me when I am not around to defend myself. I found this on the early thread today.
re: #233 Escaped Hillbilly
Hey, when was Walter on SNL?//
We usually make it a point NOT to talk about each other when we are not logged into a thread.
Ok?
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:11:25pm |
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:11:29pm |
re: #195 Gus 802
Romney
Swift
Cellucci
Weld
With the exception of the current governor, this is a list of the last 4. All Republicans. That was a revolt against the destruction wrought on this state by Mike "The Tank" Dukakis
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:11:43pm |
re: #253 krypto
"not perfect" is quite the understatement. Neither the right nor the left likes it. Worst of both. Now that the Dems are at least as corporate influenced as they ever accused the Republicans, its just crap. All we need is proper "public utility" style regulation of medical providers. What we "hope to get" here is a weird government overreach, with still inadequate controls on actual providers.
It's like the TARP-400 pages of inadequate oversight.
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:12:22pm |
re: #293 albusteve
Actually, there isn't that much fire power in the street right now. Most of what is there is working to move medical supplies and water. More like, absolutely nothing left to fight over, does the trick. Or maybe everybody's dire predictions were just wrong? Or just too soon to call it. I just find it funny they seem to be digging for Katrina type scandal and not getting it.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:12:28pm |
re: #308 HoosierHoops
Stop raining yet?
hey...it's raining right now in ABQ....everything seems to be all wet
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:12:35pm |
re: #301 darthstar
Banjo's a Red Heeler. Here he is on the beach and again riding a wave (he loves hammering through the breakers).
What a good looking dog!
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:12:38pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:13:09pm |
re: #308 HoosierHoops
Until tomorrow. Bigger storm expected then. Smaller one on Thursday.
I got 2 inches today. That's like a flood, here!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:13:20pm |
re: #279 albusteve
that whole VC embassy thing was flawed from the beginning...but fight up in Hue was another story altogether...the real deal NVA put up a hell of a fight, their intention was presumably to seize the city
Indeed. The ship avanti served aboard played an important role in stopping them:
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:13:21pm |
re: #311 Escaped Hillbilly
Actually, there isn't that much fire power in the street right now. Most of what is there is working to move medical supplies and water. More like, absolutely nothing left to fight over, does the trick. Or maybe everybody's dire predictions were just wrong? Or just too soon to call it. I just find it funny they seem to be digging for Katrina type scandal and not getting it.
I heard 7500 troops hit the bricks today...I presume they are armed
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TampaKnight Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:13:57pm |
I'm still amused at the idea that the gun hardened liberals in Mass. are sitting around their TVs, watching Fox News, and suddenly changing their minds based upon what they see.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:14:04pm |
re: #285 Escaped Hillbilly
Anyone else notice how the press seems genuinely suprised at how well the Haitian's are behaving overall? On CBS the reporter did a report on some people looting and then seemed almost disappointed to note it was really only in the worst part of town that the gangs were behaving so badly and in most places there was calm. The BBC just repeated an interview with Pres Clinton in which he was asked about security fears and and how gangs were interfereing with aid distribution. He actually responded great. I hate the guy a little less for his response.
Recent quote from Gen Russell Honore, Ret:
"They're afraid of poor people".
Someone told me to give that the 24-hour rule.
It's been 24 hours.
It seems to have been accurate.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:14:06pm |
re: #306 albusteve
yes, that was a factor, yet my point is the NVA intended on kicking some ass and they did...reducing sections of the city may have even played into their strategy...like Stalingrad
I know you're right, it is just hurtful to know that guys died needlessly. Our guys, our friends and neighbors - tough swallow.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:14:07pm |
re: #214 JRCMYP
The man was never sober. Never.He was sodden at every press conference he ever did.
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darthstar Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:14:08pm |
re: #301 darthstar
Two more of Banjo...
emerging victorious after getting swamped by a breaker
Taking in the admiration of the heavens (and a dump)
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:14:12pm |
re: #287 Varek Raith
Yeah, but can you... take a sneak attack snowball fight!?
*Throws snowballs at Ice...witch is ironic...:P*
/
But surely not tragic.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:14:49pm |
re: #314 Varek Raith
In that case, apologies for my;
re: #226 Varek Raith
No, I was logged on to this thread, and I was having supper, and on top of it, you were not making a sarcastic comment about me, that's fine. Isaw the video a little while ago, stop on. You don't want to be around me for for 24-48 hours before or after an episode.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:14:51pm |
re: #283 Merryweather
WTF? How can an assumption be disingenuous if it's based on what I believe rightly or wrongly is true? And I didn't say you were wrong, I just expressed skepticism - e.g. I said "I find it hard to believe..." - that Democrats would be frightened of socialism.
And which part of "I can't speak for Massachusetts voters" didn't you get? I'm actually saying I don't presume to know their minds.
He doesn't know what the word 'disingenuous' means.
Or he did, and was being disingenuous when applying it to you.
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:15:08pm |
That's me done for today - goodnight folks.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:15:10pm |
re: #316 Dark_Falcon
Indeed. The ship avanti served aboard played an important role in stopping them:
[Video]
cool...is that a blue water ship or one of those inland things....3in point blank would be effective
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:15:33pm |
re: #295 Jimmah
Iceweasel has immunity to all frost-based attacks.
Well then, that tells me what I must do...
[lobs thermal detonator]
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darthstar Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:15:40pm |
re: #302 Floral Giraffe
Retrieval time, if possible!
The price is too high...I'd rather buy a new one.
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:15:42pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:15:48pm |
re: #324 Walter L. Newton
No, I was logged on to this thread, and I was having supper, and on top of it, you were not making a sarcastic comment about me, that's fine. Isaw the video a little while ago, stop on. You don't want to be around me for for 24-48 hours before or after an episode.
Got it. :)
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:15:53pm |
re: #312 albusteve
That sound like a lyric from a song...
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:16:25pm |
re: #326 Merryweather
That's me done for today - goodnight folks.
Goodnight! see you soon I hope. Either here or on balloon-juice, or one of our seekrit socialist meeting places. :-)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:16:32pm |
re: #318 TampaKnight
Greetings from the south side of the Skyway.
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lawhawk Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:16:54pm |
Nate Silver has the Senate race leaning to Brown with just hours to go before the polls open.
The FiveThirtyEight Senate Forecasting Model, which correctly predicted the outcome of all 35 Senate races in 2008, now regards Republican Scott Brown as a 74 percent favorite to win the Senate seat in Massachusetts on the basis of new polling from ARG, Research 2000 and InsiderAdvantage which show worsening numbers for Brown's opponent, Martha Coakley. We have traditionally categorized races in which one side has between a 60 and 80 percent chance of winning as "leaning" toward that candidate, and so that is how we categorize this race now: Lean GOP.
The anger and populist argument isn't sufficient to win over a state like Massachusetts where the state is overwhelming Democrat. Coakley has run an awful campaign and even the last minute trip by President Obama isn't likely to overcome the mess left by the State Democratic party who figured that things would be a cakewalk.
I've read some folks saying that this is a referendum on the health care plan, which would be quite something if the seat held by the former champion of such reform, Ted Kennedy goes to the candidate whose election would thwart a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and increase the chances that a health care deal doesn't get done.
Yet, I think this is all going to boil down to a turnout-related outcome. If the weather cooperates, the Democrats may pull this out yet. If not, then the GOP may get it done.
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TampaKnight Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:16:56pm |
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:16:58pm |
re: #320 The Shadow Do
I know you're right, it is just hurtful to know that guys died needlessly. Our guys, our friends and neighbors - tough swallow.
yes, all 59k are tough to swallow...thanks Mac
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:17:10pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:17:13pm |
re: #328 Dark_Falcon
Well then, that tells me what I must do...
[lobs thermal detonator]
I throw those are Carth when he pokes the bad guys in the eyes with his blaster instead of, you know, sniping them.
:Dark Side Points Gained:
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Jetpilot1101 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:17:52pm |
Lizards, I got an early morning tomorrow. Goodnight all!
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:18:10pm |
re: #291 Jetpilot1101
I got burned bad buying short term naked calls so it's only LEAPS for me from now on. It's all very exciting though... in a thrill of victory - agony of defeat sorta way. :D
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:18:20pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:19:42pm |
re: #341 Boogberg
I got burned bad buying short term naked calls so it's only LEAPS for me from now on. It's all very exciting though... in a thrill of victory - agony of defeat sorta way. :D
I usually don't care if they are naked or not, as long as they can convince me over the phone that I am really talking to Paris Hilton. If they can do that... it's always a thrill.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:19:43pm |
re: #327 albusteve
cool...is that a blue water ship or one of those inland things...3in point blank would be effective
USS Newport News was a Heavy cruiser, a true blue-water ship. Her main battery was nine 8-inch semi-auto cannons in three triple turrets. She also mounted 12 5-inch DP guns in 6 twin turrets. A very fast and powerful warship.
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:20:00pm |
re: #307 Walter L. Newton
Hey, a little off topic, but I want to point something out to you. Don't be referencing me, or making sarcastic comments about me when I am not around to defend myself. I found this on the early thread today.
We usually make it a point NOT to talk about each other when we are not logged into a thread.
Ok?
Woah you are seriously, seriously off base. I referenced this guy.Walter
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:20:01pm |
re: #335 lawhawk
Nate Silver has the Senate race leaning to Brown with just hours to go before the polls open.
The anger and populist argument isn't sufficient to win over a state like Massachusetts where the state is overwhelming Democrat. Coakley has run an awful campaign and even the last minute trip by President Obama isn't likely to overcome the mess left by the State Democratic party who figured that things would be a cakewalk.
I've read some folks saying that this is a referendum on the health care plan, which would be quite something if the seat held by the former champion of such reform, Ted Kennedy goes to the candidate whose election would thwart a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and increase the chances that a health care deal doesn't get done.
Yet, I think this is all going to boil down to a turnout-related outcome. If the weather cooperates, the Democrats may pull this out yet. If not, then the GOP may get it done.
I just want to see Kennedy go down in posthumus flames
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:20:14pm |
re: #309 CapeCoddah
Romney
Swift
Cellucci
Weld
With the exception of the current governor, this is a list of the last 4. All Republicans. That was a revolt against the destruction wrought on this state by Mike "The Tank" Dukakis
AKA Mike "Big Dig" Dukakis. I actually volunteered for him in 1988. Couple of days really. I have an aunt and uncle that live in Mass. I think my uncle will probably vote for Brown and my aunt for Oakley. A cousin who was an attorney for Bush vs. Gore (for Bush). He might be an Oakley voter.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:20:44pm |
re: #315 Floral Giraffe
Until tomorrow. Bigger storm expected then. Smaller one on Thursday.
I got 2 inches today. That's like a flood, here!
We had black ice today in Indiana.. And it's not really black ice..It's invisible ice..I walked outside and slipped around all the way to the car..Now I know what to put on youtube..Working your way to the car at 7am on black ice..
I ended up watching the Today show drinking coffee...
I swear..It's invisible ice
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Merryweather Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:20:58pm |
re: #333 iceweasel
Goodnight! see you soon I hope. Either here or on balloon-juice, or one of our seekrit socialist meeting places. :-)
Maybe Balloon Juice, but I go under a different handle there. I shall reveal myself using our super seekrit handshake if I see you there ;)
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:21:07pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:21:13pm |
re: #345 Escaped Hillbilly
Woah you are seriously, seriously off base. I referenced this guy.Walter
[Video]
Which you would have known if you had clicked on the link I posted in my next post.
Then explanation accepted. And I'm sorry, there was not link in the comment I was referencing, and no, I wasn't looking down the whole thread. Then my mistake.
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:21:16pm |
re: #343 Walter L. Newton
Well that goes without sayin'. :D
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arethusa Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:21:19pm |
re: #335 lawhawk
That's a good point about Ted Kennedy being a health care champion. I would have said that if it is a referendum, it is more a referendum on too much federal spending, or frustration with Washington in general.
I wonder about the impact of the weather, though. I lived in MA for four years. It seemed like, however bad the weather got, it didn't actually stop anyone from doing what they wanted to do. It was more a way of life than anything else.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:21:29pm |
re: #349 Merryweather
Maybe Balloon Juice, but I go under a different handle there. I shall reveal myself using our super seekrit handshake if I see you there ;)
Same here. :-)
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:21:29pm |
re: #307 Walter L. Newton
Hey, a little off topic, but I want to point something out to you. Don't be referencing me, or making sarcastic comments about me when I am not around to defend myself. I found this on the early thread today.
We usually make it a point NOT to talk about each other when we are not logged into a thread.
Ok?
OOPS.
Well, Walter - sorry then for this:
re: #227 reine.de.tout
I was just thinking that!
Although, we don't really need to page him, he'll be cranky regardless . . .
Tho I was just joking . . .
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:21:33pm |
re: #344 Dark_Falcon
USS Newport News was a Heavy cruiser, a true blue-water ship. Her main battery was nine 8-inch semi-auto cannons in three triple turrets. She also mounted 12 5-inch DP guns in 6 twin turrets. A very fast and powerful warship.
me loves that old time firepower...a mini dreadnaught...oooh rah!...get some!
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jvic Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:22:02pm |
re: #228 CapeCoddah
Here is an interview with the law partner and brother of the attorney for the family of the baby who was raped. The attorney died a year or so ago.
Thanks for the link, CC.
Hannity reported a claim that the rapist's union-rep father may have had ties to Coakley or her campaign. Whether or not he did, unless the rest of the accusations are plausibly responded to--I am deliberately not saying "refuted" because Coakley should not be required to prove a negative--, the affair seems outrageous enough, at the barest minimum, to disqualify her from public office.
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:22:39pm |
re: #305 Varek Raith
Hmm. Try this!
Katon: Goukakyuu no Jutsu!
/geek alert!
:)
Heh - I must admit - I had to google that one :)
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:22:54pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:23:09pm |
re: #356 reine.de.tout
Tho I was just joking . . .
No, no, no... I was logged on to this thread, I was here, just having supper. And any way, it was my mistake, I was just informed that the comment was not in reference to me, I missed a comment further down that thread that clarified that.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:23:50pm |
re: #262 Dark_Falcon
Just 5 hours to break the attack. Heh. Less than one day at the office.
oops Dinner calls Dragon_Lady is dishing up dinner. Carnivore time!
(Sorry FBV)
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:24:12pm |
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:24:19pm |
re: #358 jvic
Thanks for the link, CC.
Hannity reported a claim that the rapist's union-rep father may have had ties to Coakley or her campaign. Whether or not he did, unless the rest of the accusations are plausibly responded to--I am deliberately not saying "refuted" because Coakley should not be required to prove a negative--, the affair seems outrageous enough, at the barest minimum, to disqualify her from public office.
There are more than enough issues with Coakley, particularly her prosecutorial record, to have some problems with her.
All I can say is, again, glad I'm not voting in that election.
(also, a special "fie on you!' to the Dems for running her.)
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:24:22pm |
re: #361 Walter L. Newton
No, no, no... I was logged on to this thread, I was here, just having supper. And any way, it was my mistake, I was just informed that the comment was not in reference to me, I missed a comment further down that thread that clarified that.
I'm gonna start talking about you every chance I get now...call me and let me know when you log off
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JRCMYP Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:24:40pm |
re: #321 CapeCoddah
I seriously don't care about his drinking problems. Nor do I care about Brown's nude calendar thing. Who cares? Be real.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:24:51pm |
re: #273 iceweasel
It certainly fits in the way I used it.
Does that ego get very heavy?
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:24:58pm |
re: #361 Walter L. Newton
But you still need to clarify my confusion, is that puppet not based on you?
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:25:35pm |
re: #359 Jimmah
Heh - I must admit - I had to google that one :)
Well, the Wave Motion Gun would've been...a bit over the top.
:P
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:25:54pm |
re: #363 HoosierHoops
Father Steve..I need a young priest and an old priest
Hoosier my boy....step forth...
do you like gladiators?
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:26:02pm |
Anyone think Lady Gaga is hot? That chick revs my engine. :D
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:26:10pm |
re: #278 iceweasel
LOL, you were whining about some perceived slight. Paranoid, much?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:27:05pm |
I going to be getting to bed in a few minutes, my three day weekend is over, now have a Tue.-Sat. schedule at the store.
I'm going to have a damn mess to come into tomorrow morning. Seven rows of furniture will be shoved all together so the floor cleaners can buff my section of the store. That will leave me with two hours of work to rearrange the sofas, dressers, chairs, desks, bookcases and all the other furniture and related items back in to some reasonable semblance of organized clutter. By myself.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:27:22pm |
re: #367 CapeCoddah
It certainly fits in the way I used it.
Does that ego get very heavy?
No, it doesn't. You either didn't know what the word meant, or you were being disingenuous in applying it.
As for your last line, How's your ad feminam argument load working out for you?
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:27:38pm |
re: #366 JRCMYP
I seriously don't care about his drinking problems. Nor do I care about Brown's nude calendar thing. Who cares? Be real.
he's gonna take down the Mass C****e Machine... GOOD JOB BROWNIE!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:27:48pm |
re: #371 Boogberg
Anyone think Lady Gaga is hot? That chick revs my engine. :D
She's both pretty and talented. One of the best singers out there, not the least because she was a writer long before she hit it big. She doesn't have the swelled head of many stars.
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:27:50pm |
re: #317 albusteve
Yes, and more have been requested. I presume armed with M-16/M4 if American and with other standard issue if not. But back me up fighter pilot, that does not mean a lot of fire power in the streets right now. Some of those guys are probably on the airfield or similar location, those that are patrolling will be providing security to docs and bigwigs (Pres Clinton et al). A large number of those troops are fixing things, digging through rubble looking for bodies/survivors, repairing infrastructure, bringing in planes, etc. According to Gen Steel earlier, most of the security has been provided ths far by UN and local police. Maybe Haitians are capable of behaving like civilized people in a very trying time. I'm sure in the next few days, the thugs among them will start to show their true colors and those additional troops will come in handy!
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captdiggs Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:27:50pm |
re: #5 Racer X
Far Right?
He seemed fairly middle of the road to me.
He is. At least one Mass. liberal paper has endorsed him as well as some democratic heavy unions as a centrist , pro choice, pro environment, republican, who has worked well with state democrats.
A Tufts graduate, attorney, Lt. Colonel in the National Guard, well spoken and has a good grasp of the issues. ( on the other side, Coakley thinks that all the terrorists in Afghanistan have disappeared).
Aside from the obvious earthquake this is in the bluest of blue states, I find it a repudiation of the hysterical leftist media that has gone off the rails about how a moderate Republican can't be elected because of the far right elements of the party.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:27:58pm |
Judge sentences 'Toronto 18' terror plot ringleader to life in prisonA Canadian judge sentenced the ringleader of a homegrown terrorist plot to set off truck bombs in Ontario to life in prison on Monday.
Zakaria Amara, 24, pleaded guilty in October. He acknowledged being a leader of the so-called Toronto 18 plot to set off bombs outside Toronto's Stock Exchange, a building housing Canada's spy agency and a military base. The goal was to scare Canada into removing its troops from Afghanistan.
Judge Bruce Durno said that the attack would have been the most horrific crime in Canada's history if the plot been successful.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Nice to see the home-grown Islamofascist fuck get the max. Unfortunately, the little creep will be eligible for parole under Canadian law in only 6 1/2 years.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:27:59pm |
re: #373 Walter L. Newton
Never heard back from my friend. I'll pass on any current Biff info if you are interested. :-)
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:28:04pm |
re: #367 CapeCoddah
It certainly fits in the way I used it.
Does that ego get very heavy?
He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother
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mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:28:10pm |
re: #358 jvic
the affair seems outrageous enough, at the barest minimum, to disqualify her from public office.
Her judgement is enough.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:28:20pm |
re: #368 Bagua
But you still need to clarify my confusion, is that puppet not based on you?
It is me and it feels like shit every time he sticks his clammy hands up my rear.
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Bob Dillon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:28:49pm |
Oh boy ... here we go ....
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
FBI broke law for years in phone record searches
Tuesday, January 19, 2010
The FBI illegally collected more than 2,000 U.S. telephone call records between 2002 and 2006 by invoking terrorism emergencies that did not exist or simply persuading phone companies to provide records, according to internal bureau memos and interviews. FBI officials issued approvals after the fact to justify their actions.
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brainwizard73 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:28:54pm |
If I hear one more pundit say "the environment is toxic for the Democrats" without making it cear WHY that is the case, I might go loco.
I understand the "the majority party always takes it on the chin", line, but can't people see that this is something a bit more clear than that? There is a clear public angst about the President's policies.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:29:00pm |
re: #374 iceweasel
No, it doesn't. You either didn't know what the word meant, or you were being disingenuous in applying it.
As for your last line, How's your ad feminam argument load working out for you?
if ego were a country, you'd be China
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:29:18pm |
re: #370 albusteve
Hoosier my boy...step forth...
do you like gladiators?
Only in College Marching Bands
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:29:43pm |
re: #385 Walter L. Newton
It is me and it feels like shit every time he sticks his clammy hands up my rear.
ahaha!....oh geez
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:30:41pm |
re: #382 Stanley Sea
Never heard back from my friend. I'll pass on any current Biff info if you are interested. :-)
Private email only. I would be interested if she and the kid are doing fine, that's about it. I can get all the news I need about him anytime I want, which is not often that I want it.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:30:43pm |
Music Time!..Sort Of.
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:30:55pm |
re: #373 Walter L. Newton
Why don't you ask for help? People do it all the time where I work. No one has gotten turned down yet!
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:30:55pm |
re: #388 albusteve
if ego were a country, you'd be China
I like how butthurt whining about me tends to centre on complaints about my 'ego'.
I think quite a few people here have a problem with smart and articulate libs, esp the female ones.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:30:56pm |
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brainwizard73 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:31:06pm |
re: #371 Boogberg
She clearly has somthing going on, but looks like she might blow away in a strong wind.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:31:19pm |
re: #394 iceweasel
I like how butthurt whining about me tends to centre on complaints about my 'ego'.
I think quite a few people here have a problem with smart and articulate libs, esp the female ones.
hurl!
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:31:19pm |
re: #388 albusteve
if ego were a country, you'd be China
O,o,o I love this game..
If ego were a dish, you'd be a quiche!
Am I doing it right?
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:31:39pm |
re: #351 Walter L. Newton
Thats probably because my keyboard and internet connection are conspiring to keep me from posting anything that sounds on topic. By the time I get to post, y'all have moved on. That time I went ahead and posted the comment so as to be on topic when I posted, then added the link when I could get the dang thing to work! Its one reason I lurk a lot instead of participating and post long posts.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:32:09pm |
re: #283 Merryweather
I do know them. I was born to them, raised by them and have lived with them, worked with them with every breath I have ever taken. You assume your opinion is correct, dismiss mine opinion like I could not possibly be correct, I just dont know what you mean, I simply don't get it. You were insulting and disingenuous in your reply.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:32:36pm |
re: #398 McSpiff
O,o,o I love this game..
If ego were a dish, you'd be a quiche!
Am I doing it right?
If ego were an animal, she'd be a kangaroo!
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:32:52pm |
re: #348 HoosierHoops
We had black ice today in Indiana.. And it's not really black ice..It's invisible ice..I walked outside and slipped around all the way to the car..Now I know what to put on youtube..Working your way to the car at 7am on black ice..
I ended up watching the Today show drinking coffee...
I swear..It's invisible ice
You be careful, there, old fella!
I don't want to hear that you need a cane to get around, 'cause you busted your boonie on some ice!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:33:19pm |
re: #399 Escaped Hillbilly
Thats probably because my keyboard and internet connection are conspiring to keep me from posting anything that sounds on topic. By the time I get to post, y'all have moved on. That time I went ahead and posted the comment so as to be on topic when I posted, then added the link when I could get the dang thing to work! Its one reason I lurk a lot instead of participating and post long posts.
ya gotta learn to type really fast.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:33:27pm |
re: #402 SanFranciscoZionist
If ego were an animal, she'd be a kangaroo!
ego would be an eggo.
/baaaddd ;)
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:33:38pm |
re: #398 McSpiff
O,o,o I love this game..
If ego were a dish, you'd be a quiche!
Am I doing it right?
yup...if ego were a truck, you'd be a Freight Liner
| 407 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:34:26pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:34:31pm |
re: #393 Boogberg
Why don't you ask for help? People do it all the time where I work. No one has gotten turned down yet!
There is not help, not that early in the morning. I'm it in the used furniture department. Later in the day we usually get some Community Service workers in, but my shift starts at 7:00 and the store opens at 9:00. This is a LARGE non-profit thrift store, not Target. The only other people in the place will be the production people, standing at their stations in the warehouse sorting and pricing all sorts of used items. If I get in a bind, the manager could help, but really, you don't usually ask your boss to do your job for you. Thank goodness the floor cleaning only happens a few times a year.
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:34:43pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:34:50pm |
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:34:52pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:35:00pm |
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:35:10pm |
re: #377 Escaped Hillbilly
Maybe Haitians are capable of behaving like civilized people in a very trying time. I'm sure in the next few days, the thugs among them will start to show their true colors and those additional troops will come in handy!
Remarkably well behaved by a multitude of accounts. Remarkable considering the slums and poverty.
4 or 5 days without food and water and many societies will see widespread rioting and lawlessness. This has been almost nonexistent in Haiti up after all these days.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:36:05pm |
re: #413 Bagua
Remarkably well behaved by a multitude of accounts. Remarkable considering the slums and poverty.
4 or 5 days without food and water and many societies will see widespread rioting and lawlessness. This has been almost nonexistent in Haiti up after all these days.
to pooped out...people are half dead
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:36:20pm |
re: #409 McSpiff
Ooo do me as a fish now!
If ego were a fish, you'd be a. . . shark.
(am I doing this right?)
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:36:26pm |
re: #404 reine.de.tout
Noooo, that confuses it. (I type 60 wpm, 45 without errors.)
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:36:52pm |
re: #368 Bagua
But you still need to clarify my confusion, is that puppet not based on you?
You know, for some reason you are one of the only Lizards I can't even bring myself to make a smart-assed remark to... so namaste.
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:36:52pm |
re: #367 CapeCoddah
It certainly fits in the way I used it.
Does that ego get very heavy?
Accusing someone of having a big ego is what losers always do when they have nothing left to bring to the argument.
| 419 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:36:53pm |
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:36:53pm |
re: #325 iceweasel
She, Ice, and I used the word correctly.
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:37:46pm |
re: #419 albusteve
do yourself, now that you know how
I'm gonna stick with shark I think. They're pretty awesome. But I'll let this drop before it gets old.
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:38:03pm |
re: #396 brainwizard73
Did you say she could blow me with a strong wind? Yes! :D
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mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:38:36pm |
Gavin Newsom weighs in.
"There's real intensity and fervor out there, as represented by the tea party and others... that we're belittling," ..."even Democrats are going to be voting quietly for a Republican...there's no doubt about it. . .because (voters) are so angry," he said. "They don't like the backroom deals. They don't feel that we're paying attention to their needs, in terms of their jobs, and what's going on at the grassroots, in their neighborhoods."..
"This is real. At our own peril, we dismiss these tea parties as some sort of isolated extremism. It's not," Newsom said.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:38:46pm |
re: #418 Jimmah
Accusing someone of having a big ego is what losers always do when they have nothing left to bring to the argument.
if ego was a snowflake, you'd be a glacier
(that statement proves you've already crashed in the ego argument)
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:39:19pm |
re: #413 Bagua
Remarkably well behaved by a multitude of accounts. Remarkable considering the slums and poverty.
4 or 5 days without food and water and many societies will see widespread rioting and lawlessness. This has been almost nonexistent in Haiti up after all these days.
People are in shock.
They are injured, and hungry and thirsty and just stunned.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:39:20pm |
re: #398 McSpiff
O,o,o I love this game..
If ego were a dish, you'd be a quiche!
Am I doing it right?
I like it. Needs more Dr Seuess. (can't spell).
If ego were a dish, you'd be a quiche!
If ego were a tree, you'd be voting like me.
If ego were a sun, you'd outshine every one!
If ego were a waffle, I'd tell you that's awful.
If butthurt were a diagnosis, it's a race who's got mostest!
If downdings were kisses, I've so many I won't miss it.
If butthurt were stars, we'd have it near and far.
And just like the light of the stars appears to us,
Butthurt shines from sources most distant, though we're all made of the same dust.
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jvic Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:39:28pm |
re: #253 krypto
MA voter here too.
The robo call I had from Brown was a fake opinion poll whose questions were worded to recruit votes, not ask opinions. When it got to the question, "Do you consider yourself A TEA PARTY PATRIOT," mispronouncing the word "extremist" as "patriot," it left little question of his Tea Party admiration. Even beyond that, I don't think it is any secret that the Tea Party types are his allies and that he is proud of the association.
...
So I am voting for Coakley, and hoping that Brown loses.
I am voting for divided government and a two-party system.
That said, The Corner initially claimed that Brown robocalls were being faked in a manner that would alienate independents and Democrats. They have partially, but not completely, backtracked. Fwiw.
Honesty compels me to add that what some might view as deranged toxic raving meant to sabotage Brown might seem to a rightwing extremist as a persuasive impassioned message.
*** *** ***
Hi, Ice. I haven't been around much but gather you're engaged. Congratulations!
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:39:31pm |
re: #417 Walter L. Newton
You know, for some reason you are one of the only Lizards I can't even bring myself to make a smart-assed remark to... so namaste.
Cheers mate, we are a dying breed around here.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:39:49pm |
re: #421 McSpiff
I'm gonna stick with shark I think. They're pretty awesome. But I'll let this drop before it gets old.
I'm just riffin on that movie...best line it was
| 431 |
brainwizard73 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:40:02pm |
re: #422 BoogbergI knew
I am always funniest when I don't intend to be...
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:40:04pm |
re: #403 Floral Giraffe
You be careful, there, old fella!
I don't want to hear that you need a cane to get around, 'cause you busted your boonie on some ice!
It was shocking..My first black ice..I just started sliding down the driveway in my new Balance tennis shoes and make no mistake about it..It is pure ice..You ain't stopping..It was a slow motion crash into the front of the car.. Then slipping and sliding to get around to the door...it must have been funny to see me climb in.. Then the moment of truth.. I'm not driving anywhere..But I've still got to get out and make it back to the house.. Pure ice
| 433 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:41:25pm |
re: #358 jvic
There were no doubts about the ties to the union. We know who the players are here.
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Sharmuta Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:41:34pm |
re: #427 iceweasel
Speaking of dings, I wanted to let you know I turned my dinger off so that you and Jimmah don't have to worry about it ever again. Cheers.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:41:35pm |
re: #427 iceweasel
I like it. Needs more Dr Seuess. (can't spell).
If ego were a dish, you'd be a quiche!
If ego were a tree, you'd be voting like me.
If ego were a sun, you'd outshine every one!
If ego were a waffle, I'd tell you that's awful.If butthurt were a diagnosis, it's a race who's got mostest!
If downdings were kisses, I've so many I won't miss it.
If butthurt were stars, we'd have it near and far.
And just like the light of the stars appears to us,
Butthurt shines from sources most distant, though we're all made of the same dust.
You got some kinda app for that?!?!
/:)
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:41:47pm |
re: #423 mich-again
Gavin Newsom weighs in.
remember last year when posters here said the Tea Parties were so silly they would quickly fade away?....neener neener, told ya so
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:41:50pm |
re: #430 albusteve
I'm just riffin on that movie...best line it was
Ha now i gotta let myself look dumb, but which movie and which line?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:42:04pm |
re: #416 Escaped Hillbilly
Nooo, that confuses it. (I type 60 wpm, 45 without errors.)
I can type 93 without error.
But it also helps to be able to put your thought into small sentences. Then you can get it posted. Problem with that is it can lead to misunderstandings.
Things sometimes move pretty fast here, that is true.
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:42:27pm |
re: #424 albusteve
if ego was a snowflake, you'd be a glacier
(that statement proves you've already crashed in the ego argument)
A while back, I had this on-going argument with a Larouchenik. Once I had dispensed with the last of his idiotic conspiracy theories he resorted to complaining about my ego. Always the same shit, different day.
| 440 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:42:35pm |
re: #434 Sharmuta
Speaking of dings, I wanted to let you know I turned my dinger off so that you and Jimmah don't have to worry about it ever again. Cheers.
Well, please still upding from time to time. I like knowing I've earned your approval.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:42:49pm |
re: #425 jaunte
If ego was... I've lost track of the argument.
uh-oh.
Was there an argument?
I thought it was a game.
Boy am I out of touch, eh?
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krypto Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:42:59pm |
re: #258 YoungLibertarian92
I'm just curious. Do you mean they are extreme in their support for free market economics (I'd throw my hat into that ring) or do you mean they're extremely socially conservative (I AM NOT)?
Are those my only choices?
There are many visible and obvious examples of extremism, varying from individual to individual, currently being sold under the Tea bag label, including claims about imaginary "government takeovers" of health care, fantasies about socialism that sound like a rerun of Joe McCarthy, gibberish and hyperbolae about "liberty" and labeling themselves "patriots," and plenty else all of us have seen. Trying to label that sort of thing in a way that treats it as system of thinking seems to me to be an injustice to thinking.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:43:05pm |
re: #434 Sharmuta
Speaking of dings, I wanted to let you know I turned my dinger off so that you and Jimmah don't have to worry about it ever again. Cheers.
That's nice of you, but I wasn't worried.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:43:27pm |
re: #427 iceweasel
I like it. Needs more Dr Seuess. (can't spell).
If ego were a dish, you'd be a quiche!
If ego were a tree, you'd be voting like me.
If ego were a sun, you'd outshine every one!
If ego were a waffle, I'd tell you that's awful.If butthurt were a diagnosis, it's a race who's got mostest!
If downdings were kisses, I've so many I won't miss it.
If butthurt were stars, we'd have it near and far.
And just like the light of the stars appears to us,
Butthurt shines from sources most distant, though we're all made of the same dust.
"resorting to poetry is the last refuge of a loser"....
Albusteve
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:43:46pm |
re: #428 jvic
I am voting for divided government and a two-party system.
That said, The Corner initially claimed that Brown robocalls were being faked in a manner that would alienate independents and Democrats. They have partially, but not completely, backtracked. Fwiw.
Honesty compels me to add that what some might view as deranged toxic raving meant to sabotage Brown might seem to a rightwing extremist as a persuasive impassioned message.
*** *** ***
Hi, Ice. I haven't been around much but gather you're engaged. Congratulations!
They have actually tied the knot. I'll let them post the video.
| 447 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:44:01pm |
re: #366 JRCMYP
I seriously don't care about his drinking problems. Nor do I care about Brown's nude calendar thing. Who cares? Be real.
Lord, that is one of the moonbat lies about Brown. In 1982, he posed for COSMOPILITAN magazine.
Ladies... DOES COSMO DO NUDES? NO!
Speedo.
| 448 |
McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:44:02pm |
re: #444 Sharmuta
Sorry- I turned it off.
Honest question, do you have any preference to wether or not people ding you?
| 449 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:44:07pm |
re: #434 Sharmuta
Speaking of dings, I wanted to let you know I turned my dinger off so that you and Jimmah don't have to worry about it ever again. Cheers.
oh noez! (running in circles)
| 450 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:44:08pm |
re: #429 Bagua
Cheers mate, we are a dying breed around here.
Well, it's been fun delving into Mockery Science, Sadofuturistics, Megaphysics, Scatalography, Schizophreniatrics, Morealism, Sarcastrophy, Cynisacreligion, Apocolyptionomy, ESPectorationalism, Hypno-Pediatrics, Subliminalism, Satyriology, Disto-Utopianity, Sardonicology, Fascetiouism, Ridiculophagy, and Miscellatheistic Theology tonight, so...
to bed... night all.
| 451 |
Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:44:25pm |
re: #438 reine.de.tout
Misunderstandings? Must be just you.
must I?//
| 452 |
mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:44:34pm |
Bill Clinton could get all liquored up and go on TV and plead with the voters in MA to win one for Teddy Highball.
| 453 |
Dr. Shalit Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:44:44pm |
Everyone -
#1. Scott Bown is more or less a RINO who will vote against "Obamacare."
#2. Lets talk about something more important, Haitian Orphans. The fate of those innocents has been improved tonight by either Pres. Obama, Sec. State Clinton or both. Bless them for their actions. True T'zadakah.
That is all. -S-
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:44:47pm |
re: #371 Boogberg
Anyone think Lady Gaga is hot? That chick revs my engine. :D
She likes ladies.
NTTAWWT
| 455 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:44:55pm |
re: #437 McSpiff
Ha now i gotta let myself look dumb, but which movie and which line?
City Slickers....guy yells it his wife, who he's getting along with
| 456 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:44:56pm |
re: #426 reine.de.tout
People are in shock.
They are injured, and hungry and thirsty and just stunned.
Yes, but it also shows how the thugs have been broken as far as their power to terrorise the population. This rule by fear was institutionalised by the US supported dictatorships, and this has haunted the nation even after the dictators were deported and the people rose up to slaughter the thugs.
Now we see their true nature coming through, and it is a very humanising event.
| 457 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:45:06pm |
re: #447 CapeCoddah
Lord, that is one of the moonbat lies about Brown. In 1982, he posed for COSMOPILITAN magazine.
Ladies... DOES COSMO DO NUDES? NO!
Speedo.
AND he was really good-looking.
| 458 |
jaunte Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:45:29pm |
re: #451 Escaped Hillbilly
You don't have to, it's not fashionable anymore.
| 459 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:45:35pm |
| 461 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:45:50pm |
| 462 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:45:59pm |
re: #447 CapeCoddah
Lord, that is one of the moonbat lies about Brown. In 1982, he posed for COSMOPILITAN magazine.
Ladies... DOES COSMO DO NUDES? NO!
Speedo.
Here's the photo
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:46:11pm |
re: #439 Jimmah
A while back, I had this on-going argument with a Larouchenik. Once I had dispensed with the last of his idiotic conspiracy theories he resorted to complaining about my ego. Always the same shit, different day.
well, all I can say is....TAKE THE HINT!
jus yanking your chain
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Sharmuta Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:46:34pm |
re: #443 iceweasel
That's nice of you, but I wasn't worried.
I guess I took all your ding complaints to heart and thought it best if we avoided the situation altogether by me turning my dinger off. Anyways- take care.
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funky chicken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:46:51pm |
Brown's pro-choice, and he's in favor of gay rights. I think he is a pretty reasonable guy.
Coakley's involvement in the Amirault day care prosecutions/persecutions is enough to make me leery of her.
I'm not sure how you call this a victory for the tea party faction, frankly. Scott Brown seems like the kind of candidate I could support, and I'm not a tea party supporter at all.
| 466 |
Jeff In Ohio Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:46:52pm |
re: #398 McSpiff
O,o,o I love this game..
If ego were a dish, you'd be a quiche!
Am I doing it right?
If ego were a lake, I'd be Erie.
| 467 |
McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:47:00pm |
| 470 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:47:41pm |
re: #425 jaunte
If ego was... I've lost track of the argument.
You must be smoking what RWC is smoking...
| 471 |
The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:47:50pm |
re: #428 jvic
I am voting for divided government and a two-party system.
That said, The Corner initially claimed that Brown robocalls were being faked in a manner that would alienate independents and Democrats. They have partially, but not completely, backtracked. Fwiw.
Honesty compels me to add that what some might view as deranged toxic raving meant to sabotage Brown might seem to a rightwing extremist as a persuasive impassioned message.
*** *** ***
Hi, Ice. I haven't been around much but gather you're engaged. Congratulations!
hey jvic! Thanks for those links, and the good wishes.
Yep. Now officially a member of the Clan MacJimmah. We tied the knot over Christmas.
Rated NSFW: work or wingnuts.
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brainwizard73 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:47:54pm |
re: #452 mich-again
Bill Clinton could get all liquored up and go on TV and plead with the voters in MA to win one for Teddy Highball.
First thought: Entertainment value score 931/1000
Second thought: Coakley HQ wants your other good ideas.
| 473 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:48:00pm |
| 474 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:48:36pm |
re: #452 mich-again
Bill Clinton could get all liquored up and go on TV and plead with the voters in MA to win one for Teddy Highball.
is the mourning period over?....can we finally tee off on the Swimmer?
| 476 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:48:59pm |
re: #464 Sharmuta
But, but... it is a moral imperative to upding Bagua.
How will you fulfill this sacred duty?
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:49:10pm |
re: #464 Sharmuta
I guess I took all your ding complaints to heart and thought it best if we avoided the situation altogether by me turning my dinger off. Anyways- take care.
As I've said before-- take care of yourself. And you have, and have always had, my email, should you want to discuss personal matters somewhere other than on LGF.
Be well.
| 479 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:49:56pm |
re: #459 Varek Raith
That's a bigger plus!!!
/ducks, runs, then hides. :P
And that's just wrong! So, so wrong...
| 480 |
rwmofo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:49:59pm |
So, has everything been covered here or do I have a few morsels to throw in? I'll go with option B.
Does anyone else think that liberals might not be so "shocked" to find out the voters aren't happy with them after they claim to be moderate, centrist or progressive, then run left like an Olympic sprinter after they're elected?
| 482 |
rwmofo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:50:45pm |
re: #474 albusteve
is the mourning period over?...can we finally tee off on the Swimmer?
Maybe Wednesday?
| 483 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:50:59pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:51:17pm |
re: #474 albusteve
is the mourning period over?...can we finally tee off on the Swimmer?
What's left to be said?
| 485 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:51:23pm |
| 486 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:51:33pm |
Ah, well.
It's been fun.
No sore throat, but I've been sneezing all day.
What does that mean?
Need to try to sleep it off, whatever it is.
Everyone take care, have a good rest of the evening.
| 487 |
Marcus Dracon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:51:39pm |
Looks like the Hope and Change hypnosis machine has lost it's power, people are waking up.
The do nothing President popularity is nose diving dramatically
| 488 |
brainwizard73 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:51:57pm |
re: #474 albusteve
I missed the memo ...but I bet any cheapshots will get you fried in garlic.
| 489 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:52:33pm |
re: #484 The Sanity Inspector
What's left to be said?
good point...I despise that guy but it's a dead end now
| 490 |
jaunte Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:52:47pm |
re: #480 rwmofo
So, has everything been covered here or do I have a few morsels to throw in? I'll go with option B.
Does anyone else think that liberals might not be so "shocked" to find out the voters aren't happy with them after they claim to be moderate, centrist or progressive, then run left like an Olympic sprinter after they're elected?
I think Coakley is just a terrible candidate. Brown is not much better, but he doesn't have her active record of working to maintain an injustice.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:52:49pm |
I screwed up the link before.
Just in case someone is offended, I don't give a shit about this cosmo pose so long ago, I think it's funny. But, I don't see a speedo!
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:53:05pm |
re: #486 reine.de.tout
Sounds like you gots a nasty cold! Poor baby! Hot with lemon is what I'm always told. I don't like tea so I never listen, but if you do you might want to try it. Feel better my dear!
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:53:19pm |
re: #488 brainwizard73
I missed the memo ...but I bet any cheapshots will get you fried in garlic.
and steve will splash around in the pot like he always does.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:53:19pm |
Can't seem to get my pc backed up. It seems to stall out at 30 or 40%, after six hours of trying. *fume*... Maybe I'd better use an external hard drive instead of dvds.
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:53:31pm |
re: #480 rwmofo
I think the object is to piss off the least amount of people. Especially if you want to get re-elected.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:53:57pm |
re: #485 Dragon_Lady
When it comes to Cabernet, he gets lit!
spike it with vodka and you got a Purple People Eater!
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:54:11pm |
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Sharmuta Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:54:37pm |
re: #476 Bagua
I turned my dinger off to maintain blog harmony. I hope you can respect that.
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:54:50pm |
re: #494 The Sanity Inspector
How old is your computer? Might be time for a newer one.
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:54:57pm |
re: #432 HoosierHoops
It was shocking..My first black ice..I just started sliding down the driveway in my new Balance tennis shoes and make no mistake about it..It is pure ice..You ain't stopping..It was a slow motion crash into the front of the car.. Then slipping and sliding to get around to the door...it must have been funny to see me climb in.. Then the moment of truth.. I'm not driving anywhere..But I've still got to get out and make it back to the house.. Pure ice
I can sympathize. I shattered the top of my right tibia slipping on black ice 15 years ago. My right knee is a collection of screws and a plate and I'm trying to rent it to the local TV station as a forecasting device, if they'd ever return my calls.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:55:23pm |
re: #478 Sharmuta
I'd prefer you not talk to me. Thanks.
You got it.
I'd prefer you not use LGF to work out your personal issues, particularly those with me, especially by floating into a thread and hoping to get credit for no longer behaving spitefully.
And as mentioned before, if you don't want to talk to me then stop addressing me. Please. Thank you.
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rwmofo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:55:47pm |
re: #495 Boogberg
I think the object is to piss off the least amount of people. Especially if you want to get re-elected.
Elections are definitely about the center 20%. My BS Detector always red-lines any time a liberal claims to be in the middle when their record illustrates otherwise.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:55:48pm |
re: #487 Marcus Dracon
Looks like the Hope and Change hypnosis machine has lost it's power, people are waking up.
The do nothing President popularity is nose diving dramatically
Even if Mass is a loss, just the fact the race was so tight proves that November will be the end of the super-majority and the Obama presidency is a busted flush.
He blew it, trying to ram too much through on a partisan basis, now he will have to contend with one term and lame duck status.
The casualty will be Israel, as he will have to give up domestic agenda and try for a foreign policy win.
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:56:07pm |
re: #434 Sharmuta
Speaking of dings, I wanted to let you know I turned my dinger off so that you and Jimmah don't have to worry about it ever again. Cheers.
I wouldn't expect anything less from one who has so ostentatiously donned the robes of piety as you have here in the last few days since your... 'ascension'. 'Cos we all know that's how genuinely good people behave isn't it?
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:56:22pm |
re: #418 Jimmah
LOL, I accuse Ice of having a monstrous ego simply because she has one. Argue on.
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:56:54pm |
re: #496 albusteve
spike it with vodka and you got a Purple People Eater!
Yeah as it eats the lining of my stomach! Ouch! Cabernet and Vodka? Perish the thought!
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:56:55pm |
re: #493 McSpiff
and steve will splash around in the pot like he always does.
I have an old picture of me, stashed away, actually splashing around in pot, practically buried in it, ganja of course....those were the days
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jaunte Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:57:01pm |
“Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
-- Oscar Wilde
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:57:10pm |
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:57:33pm |
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:57:57pm |
re: #502 iceweasel
Shit. Screwed up the link.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Sorry. Pls delete link, or whole comment.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:58:14pm |
re: #496 albusteve
My neighbor has a Chargers flag up on a flag pole. Today, flying 1/2 mast.
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laZardo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:58:20pm |
re: #511 Dark_Falcon
I didn't know Brown was in the Army Reserve. That makes me support him even more. The Senate need more people who have served in the Armed Forces.
Brown is a teabagger though. Still, when the only two choices are two different sorts of evil...
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:58:35pm |
re: #491 Stanley Sea
I screwed up the link before.
Just in case someone is offended, I don't give a shit about this cosmo pose so long ago, I think it's funny. But, I don't see a speedo!
"Cosmo ain't never in a happy home", as the country music lyric goes.
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brainwizard73 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:58:43pm |
re: #480 rwmofo
Depends.
There are two types of liberals; (1)the kind of liberals that are true believers to the point of checking out with reality (Code Pink?), and (2) liberals that are committed but have some ability to see the world for what it is, not what they want it to be. (no prizes for determining what President Obama is...I don't know).
It all depends on what kind of person you are/she/he is.
BTW this analysis would appliy to righties as well.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:58:52pm |
re: #80 Spare O'Lake
Being able to blame the GOP would be a huge bonus, possibly worth quite a few mid-term seats.
Yes, lets be glad about how the Liberals will do in the 2010 elections and not worry about the state of the nation as a whole...
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:58:54pm |
re: #510 jaunte
“Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.”
-- Oscar Wilde
"simplicity is the ultimate sophistication"
Da Vinci
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jaunte Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:58:55pm |
re: #515 laZardo
It's a narrow choice between proven bad and potential bad.
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mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:59:02pm |
re: #474 albusteve
is the mourning period over?...can we finally tee off on the Swimmer?
I think it will make a nice footnote for his 46 year career that the Dems lost the race to replace him. If that actually happens.
| 523 |
McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:59:02pm |
re: #509 albusteve
I have an old picture of me, stashed away, actually splashing around in pot, practically buried in it, ganja of course...those were the days
For the record, I meant that as a compliment. Didn't need to get mean by pointing out how much cooler you were at my age...
Seriously though, it's hard to not respect someone who just doesn't give a shit. Don't expect me to always be this nice tho.
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Dr. Shalit Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:59:13pm |
re: #481 laZardo
No Green candidates?
In the USA - "Fuhggeddabout" Green Candidates. We recognize them as the
"Watermelons" that they are, when exposed. -S-
| 525 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:59:24pm |
re: #499 Boogberg
How old is your computer? Might be time for a newer one.
Two years--same age as my last one when it died.
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:59:37pm |
re: #502 iceweasel
You got it.
I'd prefer you not use LGF to work out your personal issues, particularly those with me, especially by floating into a thread and hoping to get credit for no longer behaving spitefully.
And as mentioned before, if you don't want to talk to me then stop addressing me. Please. Thank you.
I think its funny how she breezes in, claiming to be on some sort of mission of peace and 'blog harmony', while doing everything she can to wind up those she is allegedly looking to achieve 'harmony' with.
| 528 |
rwmofo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:59:47pm |
I was listening to Mark Levin around 5:30 -> 6:00 tonight (CST) and he was talking with Curt Schilling. I'd never heard Schilling in an interview before. He's a very sharp guy.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 7:59:58pm |
re: #507 CapeCoddah
LOL, I accuse Ice of having a monstrous ego simply because she has one. Argue on.
I'd rather simply rate the "ego" snipes directed at iceweasel:
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:00:09pm |
re: #505 Jimmah
I wouldn't expect anything less from one who has so ostentatiously donned the robes of piety as you have here in the last few days since your... 'ascension'. 'Cos we all know that's how genuinely good people behave isn't it?
she logged off...parting shots like that imply a raging insecurity
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JRCMYP Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:00:50pm |
re: #447 CapeCoddah
Lord, that is one of the moonbat lies about Brown. In 1982, he posed for COSMOPILITAN magazine.
Ladies... DOES COSMO DO NUDES? NO!
Speedo.
I was at Boston College at the time. It was considered "racy." My opinion--no matter the venue--is the same. Who cares? No "moonbat" lies. This is based on my own opinion of a contemporary experience.
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:01:31pm |
re: #507 CapeCoddah
LOL, I accuse Ice of having a monstrous ego simply because she has one. Argue on.
Nope, it's because you are up butthurt creek without a rhetorical paddle.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:01:36pm |
re: #508 Dragon_Lady
Yeah as it eats the lining of my stomach! Ouch! Cabernet and Vodka? Perish the thought!
they both have to be cheap...very cheap....together they are priceless!
(I drink for effect)
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laZardo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:01:57pm |
re: #524 Dr. Shalit
The problem with the Green Party is that they seem to be more focused on running crazed nutjobs for president while letting their more sensible local candidates' campaigns turn token.
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:02:05pm |
re: #530 albusteve
she logged off...parting shots like that imply a raging insecurity
Or a lack of attention. I never bother to check if someone is still online if I'm replying to something they said in the last 10 min to half an hour range. Maybe I should, but I've yet to get in trouble for it.
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captdiggs Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:02:12pm |
re: #504 Bagua
Even if Mass is a loss, just the fact the race was so tight proves that November will be the end of the super-majority and the Obama presidency is a busted flush.
He blew it, trying to ram too much through on a partisan basis, now he will have to contend with one term and lame duck status.
The casualty will be Israel, as he will have to give up domestic agenda and try for a foreign policy win.
Far from being the uniter he sold for his own election, the Obama administration has turned into the most partisan I can recall. That partisanship has turned quite ugly and it's becoming distasteful to the centrists and independents who voted for Obama.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:02:17pm |
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:02:19pm |
Jeez..I'm glad we are over measuring egos here...I was afraid we'd have to make a run to the truck stop scales tonight..Who has the biggest ego?
/
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:02:29pm |
re: #527 Jimmah
Jimmah, what happened between you and Sharmuta happened away from LGF. Please keep it away from LGF. I don't know what happened, but its soiled too many threads. Please don't bring things relating to it up.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:02:34pm |
Be friends, you English fools, be friends.
-- William Shakespeare
re: #517 brainwizard73
Depends.
There are two types of liberals; (1)the kind of liberals that are true believers to the point of checking out with reality (Code Pink?), and (2) liberals that are committed but have some ability to see the world for what it is, not what they want it to be. (no prizes for determining what President Obama is...I don't know).
It all depends on what kind of person you are/she/he is.
BTW this analysis would appliy to righties as well.
There are also liberals who aren't really all that liberal, but who have to parrot the rhetoric in order to get tenure or even retain employment at their universities. Can't think of an obvious right-wing analogue.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:02:49pm |
re: #514 Stanley Sea
My neighbor has a Chargers flag up on a flag pole. Today, flying 1/2 mast.
heh....the better team always win...I like the Jets, they are a throwback to the old days...run the ball, stop the run
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:02:58pm |
re: #527 Jimmah
I think its funny how she breezes in, claiming to be on some sort of mission of peace and 'blog harmony', while doing everything she can to wind up those she is allegedly looking to achieve 'harmony' with.
I think it's sad. That's all I have to say about that.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:03:02pm |
re: #514 Stanley Sea
My neighbor has a Chargers flag up on a flag pole. Today, flying 1/2 mast.
The gym was really quiet last night... plenty of people, but hushed tones... almost sullen.
Oh well, it's only a game. Given how the Chargers owners love to play the scare tactic on San Diego voters (i.e., give us what we want or we're moving to LA), maybe this will take way some of the effectiveness of that ploy.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:03:04pm |
Butthurt!
Butthurt!
Butthurt!
I'm 7. Neener neener neener!
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:03:07pm |
re: #527 Jimmah
I think its funny how she breezes in, claiming to be on some sort of mission of peace and 'blog harmony', while doing everything she can to wind up those she is allegedly looking to achieve 'harmony' with.
We certainty shan't tolerate no peacemaking around here!
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Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:03:08pm |
re: #534 albusteve
they both have to be cheap...very cheap...together they are priceless!
(I drink for effect)
Not going there...
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:03:13pm |
re: #511 Dark_Falcon
I didn't know Brown was in the Army Reserve. That makes me support him even more. The Senate need more people who have served in the Armed Forces.
He is a Lt. Col. in the Guard.......30 years
| 549 |
McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:03:25pm |
re: #539 HoosierHoops
Jeez..I'm glad we are over measuring egos here...I was afraid we'd have to make a run to the truck stop scales tonight..Who has the biggest ego?
/
If I'm not mistaken I'm closest to the teenage years... Fairly sure that means it's me?
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:03:45pm |
Hey all! Back after a week-long vacation. I'm sure I can read through this thread and find out why I should hate Scott Brown..
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:03:55pm |
re: #536 McSpiff
Or a lack of attention. I never bother to check if someone is still online if I'm replying to something they said in the last 10 min to half an hour range. Maybe I should, but I've yet to get in trouble for it.
So many of us never log out, or have multiple threads open at once, too.
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:04:15pm |
re: #530 albusteve
she logged off...parting shots like that imply a raging insecurity
She must have logged off seconds before I posted. She was certainly logged in when I started typing. And in any case - why the hell should anyone feel they have to leave a shitty comment unanswered just because the author has just run away?
| 554 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:04:28pm |
re: #526 Killgore Trout
Gaze is your friend, folks.
I was gonna post a pungent Shakespeare quote, but your admonition is more diplomatic. So, thanks.
| 555 |
MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:04:36pm |
re: #541 The Sanity Inspector
Be friends, you English fools, be friends.
-- William ShakespeareThere are also liberals who aren't really all that liberal, but who have to parrot the rhetoric in order to get tenure or even retain employment at their universities or get laid in college. Can't think of an obvious right-wing analogue.
Minor tweak.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:04:40pm |
re: #523 McSpiff
For the record, I meant that as a compliment. Didn't need to get mean by pointing out how much cooler you were at my age...
Seriously though, it's hard to not respect someone who just doesn't give a shit. Don't expect me to always be this nice tho.
I wasn't being mean...just goofing around
| 557 |
rwmofo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:04:45pm |
re: #517 brainwizard73
Depends.
There are two types of liberals; (1)the kind of liberals that are true believers to the point of checking out with reality (Code Pink?), and (2) liberals that are committed but have some ability to see the world for what it is, not what they want it to be. (no prizes for determining what President Obama is...I don't know).
It all depends on what kind of person you are/she/he is.
BTW this analysis would appliy to righties as well.
My point is that we conservatives tell you we're conservative. We're not embarrassed by it and we're honest up front. Liberals--generally--see that word (as well as conservative) in the pejorative sense. Some liberals wear the label proudly. Alan Comes and Bob Beckel come to mind. Howver, I have other issues with those two guys.
| 558 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:04:48pm |
re: #535 laZardo
The problem with the Green Party is that they seem to be more focused on running crazed nutjobs for president while letting their more sensible local candidates' campaigns turn token.
It wouldn't matter here. The GOP in the Bay State is better organized and larger than the Greens. The Greens are also too far left to attract many Independents.
| 559 |
Dr. Shalit Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:04:59pm |
re: #528 rwmofo
rwmofo -
No Kidding, AND MARTHA certainly wasn't hip to him. She should have used "being female" as an excuse for not knowing about "the Sox." Sec. State Clinton was smarter, when running in NY, she became an instant "Yankee Fan." It was B.S. - yet it worked. -S-
| 561 |
The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:05:21pm |
re: #546 Bagua
We certainty shan't tolerate no peacemaking around here!
All genuine offers and attempts were refused. For months.
| 562 |
Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:05:26pm |
re: #525 The Sanity Inspector
That's probably about right. Hell, some people get new cars every year!
| 563 |
laZardo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:05:46pm |
re: #558 Dark_Falcon
It wouldn't matter here. The GOP in the Bay State is better organized and larger than the Greens. The Greens are also too far left to attract many Independents.
I suppose that's why they're the original "Tea Party." q:
| 564 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:05:50pm |
re: #546 Bagua
We certainty shan't tolerate no peacemaking around here!
Genuine peacemaking is great and I fully welcome it - but what we saw here tonight from Sharm was anything but that.
| 565 |
Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:06:14pm |
re: #504 Bagua
The interesting thing is that most liberals can't understand why Obama bothered to try to work with the GOP at all, since it appeared that the GOP was more interested in preventing any kind of success rather than trying to actually get anything done.
I think part of the problem is that the whole thing was framed incorrectly. The whole thing should have been sold as health insurance reform instead of health care reform. We all like our health care, but I don't know anybody who really likes dealing with their insurance company or that thinks that insurance companies are really on the side of the consumer.
He took perfectly good populist rage and squandered it on trying to get Congress to act like adults instead of a bunch of squabbling school children.
| 566 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:06:16pm |
re: #550 cliffster
Hey all! Back after a week-long vacation. I'm sure I can read through this thread and find out why I should hate Scott Brown..
The thread's much more fair & balanced than that!
| 567 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:06:28pm |
Just so the usual suspects don't come out bitching about how I'm not participating, and just dinging......
....I'm just trying to exercise restraint.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:06:34pm |
re: #540 Dark_Falcon
Jimmah, what happened between you and Sharmuta happened away from LGF. Please keep it away from LGF. I don't know what happened, but its soiled too many threads. Please don't bring things relating to it up.
That needs to apply to all parties involved. Including Sharmuta and myself.
| 569 |
brainwizard73 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:06:46pm |
re: #541 The Sanity Inspector
Very well, at least three types...I think some moderate GOP folks might be the kinds that talk the talk but are hiding in broom closets when tough votes are being taken. Most people like this don't last long in politics...they get washed out by party primaries.
| 570 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:06:54pm |
re: #550 cliffster
Hey all! Back after a week-long vacation. I'm sure I can read through this thread and find out why I should hate Scott Brown..
You won't find much. He's a good guy and someone the GOP should be proud to have on the team.
| 571 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:06:58pm |
re: #537 captdiggs
Far from being the uniter he sold for his own election, the Obama administration has turned into the most partisan I can recall. That partisanship has turned quite ugly and it's becoming distasteful to the centrists and independents who voted for Obama.
Tell it brother, tell it. In fact, stand up and shout it out!
Obama lied about being bipartisan and set off on the most partisan agenda in modern history.
| 572 |
McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:07:24pm |
re: #556 albusteve
I wasn't being mean...just goofing around
Ha I figured as much. I think we're both just goofing around tonight (that's the spirit I'm taking it all in anyways). Although if I step out of line I'm sure you'll let me know.
| 573 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:07:47pm |
re: #549 McSpiff
If I'm not mistaken I'm closest to the teenage years... Fairly sure that means it's me?
No. If you are aware of your ego, then it's no longer as humongous as it used to be.
| 574 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:07:50pm |
re: #568 iceweasel
That needs to apply to all parties involved. Including Sharmuta and myself.
Fair enough. Consider it so applied.
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rwmofo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:08:18pm |
re: #539 HoosierHoops
Jeez..I'm glad we are over measuring egos here...I was afraid we'd have to make a run to the truck stop scales tonight..Who has the biggest ego?
/
Well, there's nothing little about me.
| 576 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:08:33pm |
re: #570 Dark_Falcon
You won't find much. He's a good guy and someone the GOP should be proud to have on the team.
Oh I'll agree with that. But lately there seems to be manufactured contempt for anyone with enough self-loathing to tolerate an (R) after their name //
| 578 |
McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:08:42pm |
re: #573 The Sanity Inspector
No. If you are aware of your ego, then it's no longer as humongous as it used to be.
I'm pretty sure I know how ego works SI...
///
| 579 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:08:43pm |
re: #561 iceweasel
All genuine offers and attempts were refused. For months.
last, last....last word?....pffft
| 580 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:09:12pm |
re: #568 iceweasel
That needs to apply to all parties involved. Including Sharmuta and myself.
Somebody's gonna have to be first, though.
| 581 |
MandyManners Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:09:17pm |
re: #559 Dr. Shalit
rwmofo -
No Kidding, AND MARTHA certainly wasn't hip to him. She should have used "being female" as an excuse for not knowing about "the Sox." Sec. State Clinton was smarter, when running in NY, she became an instant "Yankee Fan." It was B.S. - yet it worked. -S-
Being a woman is no excuse for that nonsense.
| 582 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:09:28pm |
re: #572 McSpiff
Ha I figured as much. I think we're both just goofing around tonight (that's the spirit I'm taking it all in anyways). Although if I step out of line I'm sure you'll let me know.
I might even make something up if it suits me
| 583 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:09:42pm |
re: #539 HoosierHoops
Jeez..I'm glad we are over measuring egos here...I was afraid we'd have to make a run to the truck stop scales tonight..Who has the biggest ego?
/
Well, I believe my ego should at least get an honourable mention. It's very condescending to not at least mention my being in the running.
| 585 |
The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:10:06pm |
re: #579 albusteve
last, last...last word?...pffft
Quit it. You don't know what's going on, and all parties genuinely involved want to drop it.
Try to stop yourself from using this as an attempt to take a shot at me.
| 587 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:10:47pm |
re: #533 Jimmah
Nope, it's because you are up butthurt creek without a rhetorical paddle.
Here's a butthurt song for you.
| 589 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:11:10pm |
re: #567 TheMatrix31
Just so the usual suspects don't come out bitching about how I'm not participating, and just dinging...
...I'm just trying to exercise restraint.
Well, are you at least enthusiastic about Scott Brown kicking some liberal ass?
| 590 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:11:16pm |
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:11:35pm |
re: #580 The Sanity Inspector
Somebody's gonna have to be first, though.
Take a look at the history. Even right in this thread. There's no reason for it to ever come up, or ever be addressed ever publicly, -- except that Sharmuta keeps bringing it up.
She has my email.
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brainwizard73 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:11:51pm |
re: #555 MandyManners
Crap, another great idea that showed up 17 years too late!
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:12:09pm |
re: #580 The Sanity Inspector
Somebody's gonna have to be first, though.
there are just two kinds of people on this blog....those that take themselves too seriously, and the rest of us
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:12:19pm |
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McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:12:28pm |
re: #582 albusteve
I might even make something up if it suits me
If its all the same to you, I'd rather leave our bickering till when we're the centre of attention. Better for my ego and all.
| 597 |
Lidane Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:12:51pm |
re: #535 laZardo
The problem with the Green Party is that they seem to be more focused on running crazed nutjobs for president while letting their more sensible local candidates' campaigns turn token.
That's the least of their problems. Have you actually read their national platform? It might sound good in theory, but in practice it would be a nightmare, particularly in terms of foreign policy.
If the Greens were serious about becoming a legitimate voice in politics, they'd focus more on their local and regional races to build up a base of power, then move up to the national stage. If they did that, they might be able to find sensible national candidates that didn't have to run as crazed nutjobs to get noticed.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:13:18pm |
re: #585 iceweasel
Quit it. You don't know what's going on, and all parties genuinely involved want to drop it.
Try to stop yourself from using this as an attempt to take a shot at me.
stuff it, I don't care what's going on
| 600 |
Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:13:24pm |
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laZardo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:14:27pm |
re: #597 Lidane
That's the least of their problems. Have you actually read their national platform? It might sound good in theory, but in practice it would be a nightmare, particularly in terms of foreign policy.
If the Greens were serious about becoming a legitimate voice in politics, they'd focus more on their local and regional races to build up a base of power, then move up to the national stage. If they did that, they might be able to find sensible national candidates that didn't have to run as crazed nutjobs to get noticed.
Hence my point about local- and regional-level candidates being neglected. ):
Also, that's their platform from 2004.
| 602 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:14:30pm |
re: #593 albusteve
there are just two kinds of people on this blog...those that take themselves too seriously, and the rest of us
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:14:31pm |
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brainwizard73 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:14:35pm |
re: #557 rwmofo
True. When you are not proud of what you are, it should raise a question; unless you are fooling yourself.
| 605 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:14:40pm |
Don't make me stop the internet! I will!
/
| 606 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:15:09pm |
re: #511 Dark_Falcon
And DF, Brown IS in the reserve, he is active, still.
| 607 |
captdiggs Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:15:14pm |
re: #571 Bagua
Tell it brother, tell it. In fact, stand up and shout it out!
Obama lied about being bipartisan and set off on the most partisan agenda in modern history.
That's why the democrats are losing the independents.
And those independents are the ones putting Republicans in office in Virginia, NJ, and now ( most likely) Mass.
They're not "teabaggers" they're just people who feel they were sold a bill of goods and got a more hateful political environment as a door prize.
| 608 |
Bob Dillon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:15:16pm |
re: #423 mich-again
Gavin Newsom weighs in.
no love lost for Mr. Newsom .. but that's one of the most astute things I've seen attributed to him. He most have someone writing this stuff for him ... really.
| 609 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:16:13pm |
| 610 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:16:20pm |
re: #605 Varek Raith
Don't make me stop the internet! I will!
/
Step away from the computer Professor Chaos Butters!
| 611 |
Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:16:30pm |
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TheAntichrist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:16:39pm |
I'm all for health care reform, but the current bill is a real stinker. It's certainly not the best that even Congress can do, I don't think it even qualifies as minimal reform. If Brown's election is what it takes to force a better bill so be it.
| 613 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:16:45pm |
re: #583 Bagua
Well, I believe my ego should at least get an honourable mention. It's very condescending to not at least mention my being in the running.
Trust me..I have ego..
Men come here and swagger their shit and talk shit..But God Forbid a Women have any ego at all...And say anything at all out of strength..They get called out.
We all the the right to have an ego here....Fly that flag high...
| 614 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:16:50pm |
re: #587 Alouette
Here's a butthurt song for you.
[Video]
Heh - love that song. And here's one for you we made earlier :
| 615 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:16:51pm |
re: #593 albusteve
there are just two kinds of people on this blog...those that take themselves too seriously, and the rest of us
Rest of you, you mean. I already know I take myself too seriously. That won't change, but at least I admit it.
| 616 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:16:56pm |
re: #605 Varek Raith
Don't make me stop the internet! I will!
/
I said it before and I'll say it again, I like you! You're funny!
| 618 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:17:01pm |
Where the hell is Charles going? Mars?
He's been traveling for two days...
| 619 |
simoom Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:17:19pm |
re: #21 capecoddah
It is the policies of Obama, which have scared even the liberal base here.
General MA polling is still quite favorable to Obama and relatively favorable to HCR. When polling just likely voters for the special election, Obama's favorables have also been significantly higher than Coakley's while w/ respect to HCR some polls have had a majority favorable and some a majority unfavorable to it.
I realize politico's and the media will be extrapolating this MA special election, no matter how it turns out, into a national referendum on both Obama and HCR, but I'm not sure I buy it.
| 620 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:17:37pm |
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:17:42pm |
re: #618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That's about how long it takes to drive top the airport in the rain...
| 623 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:17:48pm |
re: #605 Varek Raith
Don't make me stop the internet! I will!
/
...and keep your arms inside the browser window!
| 624 |
freetoken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:18:05pm |
re: #595 laZardo
Looking at that list, it seems to be that characterizing Brown as "right wing" is a fair statement. True, he isn't part of the birther/Alex Jones camp, but not all right-wingers are necessarily nutters.
| 625 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:18:11pm |
re: #533 Jimmah
Nope, it's because you are up butthurt creek without a rhetorical paddle.
LOL, yeah, whatever you say. Jimmah.
| 626 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:18:31pm |
re: #623 The Sanity Inspector
...and keep your arms inside the browser window!
You're funny too! LOL!
| 627 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:18:36pm |
re: #612 TheAntichrist
I'm all for health care reform, but the current bill is a real stinker. It's certainly not the best that even Congress can do, I don't think it even qualifies as minimal reform. If Brown's election is what it takes to force a better bill so be it.
agreed...Buster Brown to the rescue!
| 628 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:18:36pm |
Crap. People are fighting?
I must be at home.
Hi Guys!
| 629 |
freetoken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:18:36pm |
re: #618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sekrit... undisclozed bunkers...
| 630 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:18:43pm |
re: #609 Spare O'Lake
Nice insult. You now have the honor of being the second to spike the meter tonight:
| 631 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:18:56pm |
re: #567 TheMatrix31
Just so the usual suspects don't come out bitching about how I'm not participating, and just dinging...
...I'm just trying to exercise restraint.
Dings the thread in the most utterly pedictable partisan fashion, justifies it with a 'hello!' post...then says goodbye and logs off. Priceless.
| 632 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:19:15pm |
re: #618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Where the hell is Charles going? Mars?
He's been traveling for two days...
If he's going to Mars, he'll be gone at least 20 months. 9 months each way, and 2 months sightseeing.
| 633 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:19:39pm |
Hmm, Rasmussen has it Coakley 49% and Brown 47%. Rusmussen usually gets it right. Not much to see here. Perhaps that's the reason for the public display of vitriol?
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:20:11pm |
re: #629 freetoken
Sekrit... undisclozed bunkers...
He's got trained hamsters pulling a sleigh through the underground sugar caves of our Ant Overlords...
/kent brockman
| 635 |
Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:20:18pm |
re: #607 captdiggs
That's why the democrats are losing the independents.
And those independents are the ones putting Republicans in office in Virginia, NJ, and now ( most likely) Mass.
They're not "teabaggers" they're just people who feel they were sold a bill of goods and got a more hateful political environment as a door prize.
I think that overstates the case, considering the vast majority of the hateful rhetoric is coming from the GOP, Fox News, et al.
| 636 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:20:25pm |
re: #613 HoosierHoops
Trust me..I have ego..
Men come here and swagger their shit and talk shit..But God Forbid a Women have any ego at all...And say anything at all out of strength..They get called out.
We all the the right to have an ego here...Fly that flag high...
That's what I've got against feminists. Look what happened to men's egos after feminists let the cat out of the bag on which is the superior sex.
| 638 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:20:34pm |
| 639 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:20:43pm |
re: #624 freetoken
Interesting that point even has to be made. Ouch. I do not want to see every Republican vote / candidate as "Drinking The Tea" which seems a riff on drinking the kool aid.
| 640 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:21:00pm |
re: #631 Jimmah
Dings the thread in the most utterly pedictable partisan fashion, justifies it with a 'hello!' post...then says goodbye and logs off. Priceless.
you seem overly sensitive about dinging...why should you care?....you want a cookie?
| 641 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:21:00pm |
Am I the only one who thinks of elementary school when I hear the childish term "butthurt".
It really is old.
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laZardo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:21:37pm |
re: #641 Racer X
Am I the only one who thinks of elementary school when I hear the childish term "butthurt".
It really is old.
They didn't say that much in elementary school.
Now, 4chan, on the other hand...
| 644 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:21:40pm |
re: #630 Dark_Falcon
Nice insult. You now have the honor of being the second to spike the meter tonight:
[Video]
it wasn't an insult...it was good advice
| 645 |
brainwizard73 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:21:42pm |
re: #615 Dark_Falcon
Rest of you, you mean. I already know I take myself too seriously. That won't change, but at least I admit it.
"Brainwizard"...
Anyone dumb enough to think I take myself too seriously w/ this username deserves the dry mouth, upset stomach and gassy discharge.
Wait...does that mean I DO take myself too seriously? I am confused now...
| 646 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:21:45pm |
re: #641 Racer X
Am I the only one who thinks of elementary school when I hear the childish term "butthurt".
It really is old.
I'll second that emotion!
| 647 |
rwmofo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:21:46pm |
re: #618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Where the hell is Charles going? Mars?
He's been traveling for two days...
I think he's getting the lizard polished.
| 648 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:22:48pm |
re: #633 cliffster
Hmm, Rasmussen has it Coakley 49% and Brown 47%. Rusmussen usually gets it right. Not much to see here. Perhaps that's the reason for the public display of vitriol?
Many people will say that Rasmussen typically leans in favor of GOP candidates. I think we're looking at a close race tomorrow.
| 649 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:22:55pm |
this is for everyone but especially the egomaniacs and the butthurt ones!
| 650 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:22:58pm |
re: #647 rwmofo
I think he's getting the lizard polished.
Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?
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krypto Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:23:06pm |
re: #274 Stanley Sea
If a robocall from Brown mentions the Tea Party Patriots, it is hard to deny.
If you say so, but please remember that those are your words, not mine.
If you check back, you'll see I was referring to the specific question "Do you consider yourself a Tea Party Patriot" (and not the mere mention of "Tea Party "Patriots"). I said, "... it left little question of his Tea Party admiration. Even beyond that, I don't think it is any secret that the Tea Party types are his allies and that he is proud of the association."
All of which is rather different from your statement quoted above.
| 652 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:23:18pm |
re: #625 CapeCoddah
LOL, yeah, whatever you say. Jimmah.
Now we see the truly devastating debating device of 'sticking your tongue out'. Awesome stuff.
| 653 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:23:26pm |
re: #527 Jimmah
Can I just say, without working people up, or getting attacked, that this whole situation is just creeping me the hell out?
Done now. Carry on.
| 654 |
McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:23:28pm |
A Eye for a Eye
Ceiling Cat iz liek "i 4 i, fnag 4 fang"
but im liek if bad kittehz spank u, turn otehr cheek
if bad kittehz take ur fir, give ur tail 2 41 if dogs chase u 1 mile, run 2Luvin ur enemiz LOL
if u makes a cookie 4 some1, doe not eated it
kittehz iz liek "wuv ur BFFz, hate bad kittehz"
but im liek "wuv bad kittehz 2"
u r all Ceiling Catz kittenz. Sun shines on good kittehz and bad. Also rain :-(
if u wuv only ur BFFs, u no can has cheezburger. even teh IRS d00dz do taht!
if u iz liek "oh hai" 2 only ur BFFs, wtf? only n00bz do taht.
b k00l liek teh Ceiling Cat
Matthew 5 - LOLCat bible translation
Yes this is childish. I'm a childish person. This thread is getting a little childish, and I feel im at least partially responsible. Sorry to everyone else.
| 655 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:23:29pm |
re: #642 Jimmah
What a moron. The butthurt tide sure is rising tonight.
I mean really, it was funny for about a week. And then it was not.
| 656 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:23:39pm |
re: #641 Racer X
Am I the only one who thinks of elementary school when I hear the childish term "butthurt".
It really is old.
no, you are not....consider the people who need to use the term over and over thinking how clever they are
| 657 |
Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:23:52pm |
| 658 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:24:16pm |
re: #641 Racer X
Am I the only one who thinks of elementary school when I hear the childish term "butthurt".
It really is old.
I actually like it. It sums up the kind of vindictive vitriol that we sometimes see from people who can't let a past altercation go.
| 659 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:24:29pm |
re: #618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Where the hell is Charles going? Mars?
He's been traveling for two days...
I suspect he's got a few big business/media events in the offing, that require his meatspace presence.
Or maybe he's just getting out of L.A. before the floods come. Wildfires, mudslides, earthquakes...Looks like God is finally getting serious about destroying California.
Or maybe he's just on vacation.
| 660 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:24:37pm |
re: #656 albusteve
no, you are not...consider the people who need to use the term over and over thinking how clever they are
And then mock others for being childish. Too funny.
| 662 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:24:38pm |
re: #62 YoungLibertarian92
Agreed. He seems like a social moderate. He says he won't fight Roe or Massachusetts' same-sex marriage law. He's for civil unions but he thinks marriage is for one man and one woman.
He is absolutely NOT a "social moderate." That's absurd. Anyone who wants to amend the US constitution in order to prevent gay people from marrying, or who opposes stem cell research, is not any kind of "social moderate." These are far right social conservative positions, not "moderate" positions.
| 663 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:25:07pm |
re: #659 The Sanity Inspector
Dogs and cats living together?
| 664 |
freetoken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:25:10pm |
re: #639 Rightwingconspirator
But it has to be made.
That is the great take-away lesson among the blogosphere fights of the past 12 months. The infestation of the paleocon/Alex-Jones circles within the local GOP is a real phenomenon, as I tried to point out the other day with the recap of the Iowa governors GOP race.
Furthemore, the upstate NY special election showed with out a doubt that the Tea Partiers can mess up GOP politics.
| 665 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:25:10pm |
re: #651 krypto
If you say so, but please remember that those are your words, not mine.
If you check back, you'll see I was referring to the specific question "Do you consider yourself a Tea Party Patriot" (and not the mere mention of "Tea Party "Patriots"). I said, "... it left little question of his Tea Party admiration. Even beyond that, I don't think it is any secret that the Tea Party types are his allies and that he is proud of the association."
All of which is rather different from your statement quoted above.
I think we are in agreement.
| 666 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:25:20pm |
re: #658 Dark_Falcon
I actually like it. It sums up the kind of vindictive vitriol that we sometimes see from people who can't let a past altercation go.
No, it's childish.
| 667 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:25:22pm |
re: #652 Jimmah
Now we see the truly devastating debating device of 'sticking your tongue out'. Awesome stuff.
Calling everybody "butthurt" is a brilliant debating technique? Please. Grow the fuck up.
| 668 |
Bob Dillon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:25:26pm |
re: #511 Dark_Falcon
I didn't know Brown was in the Army Reserve. That makes me support him even more. The Senate need more people who have served in the Armed Forces.
Afrikkinmen - across the board - bottom to top.
| 669 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:25:32pm |
re: #658 Dark_Falcon
I actually like it. It sums up the kind of vindictive vitriol that we sometimes see from people who can't let a past altercation go.
you even have a little link-o-meter stashed away....good grief
| 670 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:26:13pm |
re: #648 Gus 802
Many people will say that Rasmussen typically leans in favor of GOP candidates. I think we're looking at a close race tomorrow.
People who feel that way should examine election results in retrospect in comparison with Rasmussen predictions.
| 671 |
The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:26:14pm |
re: #658 Dark_Falcon
I actually like it. It sums up the kind of vindictive vitriol that we sometimes see from people who can't let a past altercation go.
It's a silly word for a silly emotion (and behaviour). That's why it works.
We see less use of the word when we see less of what it denotes.
| 672 |
Lidane Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:26:15pm |
re: #601 laZardo
Hence my point about local- and regional-level candidates being neglected. ):
True. The ones they've run here in Austin have been awful. It would be nice if they'd offer better candidates.
Also, that's their platform from 2004.
Ah, true. I just noticed that. But it's the only one I could find.
| 673 |
captdiggs Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:26:42pm |
re: #635 PT Barnum
I think that overstates the case, considering the vast majority of the hateful rhetoric is coming from the GOP, Fox News, et al.
The GOP and FOX have not institutionalized the term "teabaggers" as a euphemism for *ignorant, racist, redneck* peons.
That comes from the left and the likes of MSNBC.
| 674 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:27:37pm |
re: #655 Racer X
I mean really, it was funny for about a week. And then it was not.
"Someone on the internet thinks something is funny!"
| 675 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:28:05pm |
re: #671 iceweasel
It's a silly word for a silly emotion (and behaviour). That's why it works.
We see less use of the word when we see less of what it denotes.
it only works for you....most of us think it's pretty juvenile, but considering the source it's about par for the course....carry on
| 676 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:28:10pm |
re: #565 PT Barnum
The interesting thing is that most liberals can't understand why Obama bothered to try to work with the GOP at all, since it appeared that the GOP was more interested in preventing any kind of success rather than trying to actually get anything done.
Yes, and they have had enough with the dishonest framing of ‘Republicans are the party of NO’ and forget about the liberals anyway, they understand little in the best of time. The ones turning on Obama are the Independents and the conservative Democrats. They got tricked and are now on to it.
I think part of the problem is that the whole thing was framed incorrectly. The whole thing should have been sold as health insurance reform instead of health care reform. We all like our health care, but I don't know anybody who really likes dealing with their insurance company or that thinks that insurance companies are really on the side of the consumer.
The propaganda message and anti corporate rabble-rousing of the Obama administration has already contributed to alienating enough of the population, more twist and spin was not needed, rather, honesty.
He took perfectly good populist rage and squandered it on trying to get Congress to act like adults instead of a bunch of squabbling school children.
Agreed, Obama is a busted flush. Watch him fade into lame duck status.
| 677 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:28:13pm |
re: #669 albusteve
you even have a little link-o-meter stashed away...good grief
Actually, I am a subscriber to Ice and Jimmah's YouTube channel. The Greater Wingnuttia Butthurt Level Alert System can be a very useful tool for pointing out misbehavior.
| 678 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:28:42pm |
re: #657 PT Barnum
Bangkok?
No, just bumped it.
Glad you picked that Thai city and not...that other one...
| 679 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:28:45pm |
re: #664 freetoken
I agree. I'm kinda holding out for California. At last I know the players here.
| 680 |
stayfrosty Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:28:46pm |
Scott Brown is a "right wing tea party candidate"? Are you kidding me?
He's pro-choice and has a very moderate record. He refuses to identify himself even as a "Reagan conservative", let alone a Tea Party conservative. Maybe the people of Massachusettes just think fiscal conservatism is the best way to bring jobs back to their state? Nah, it has to be the Tea Party Conspiracy!
Are we back in hyper-partisan mode or something?
| 681 |
laZardo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:28:49pm |
re: #672 Lidane
The closest I can find to a 'current' one are their 'First 100 Days' circa 2008-ish.
Elsewhere, I like how they explain the differences between different single-payer health care systems in place.
| 682 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:29:39pm |
an ounce of "Fuck off" is worth more than a acre of "butthurt"
| 683 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:29:45pm |
re: #62 YoungLibertarian92
Agreed. He seems like a social moderate. He says he won't fight Roe or Massachusetts' same-sex marriage law. He's for civil unions but he thinks marriage is for one man and one woman.
He supported the Travers amendment, he supported DOMA, and he does not believe in national civil unions. He believes civil unions should be state-by-state, ergo, he still believes in second-class status for gay people. Not a friend to gay people, I'd call him socially right wing, just not far right wing.
| 685 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:30:04pm |
re: #676 Bagua
I think that the "Party of No" keeps the "Party of Yes" in check. On either side.
Please, Lord. Let there always be a "Party of No".
| 686 |
Lidane Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:30:25pm |
re: #676 Bagua
Agreed, Obama is a busted flush. Watch him fade into lame duck status.
I said the same thing about George W. Bush during the Enron debacle. The guy ended up serving two terms.
I don't write anyone off until the ballots are counted.
| 688 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:30:34pm |
| 689 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:30:42pm |
re: #680 stayfrosty
Brown is pro choice?
| 690 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:30:47pm |
re: #677 Dark_Falcon
Actually, I am a subscriber to Ice and Jimmah's YouTube channel. The Greater Wingnuttia Butthurt Level Alert System can be a very useful tool for pointing out misbehavior.
I'm really unimpressed
| 691 |
captdiggs Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:31:02pm |
re: #662 Charles
He is absolutely NOT a "social moderate." That's absurd. Anyone who wants to amend the US constitution in order to prevent gay people from marrying, or who opposes stem cell research, is not any kind of "social moderate." These are far right social conservative positions, not "moderate" positions.
Brown voted FOR stem cell research in a Massachusetts bill...per the Boston Herald
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]
| 692 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:31:10pm |
re: #667 Alouette
Calling everybody "butthurt" is a brilliant debating technique? Please. Grow the fuck up.
Show me where I called everyone butthurt. Oh wait - of course you can't because it's a strawman argument. Another brilliant debating technique.
| 695 |
Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:31:59pm |
re: #673 captdiggs
The GOP and FOX have not institutionalized the term "teabaggers" as a euphemism for *ignorant, racist, redneck* peons.
That comes from the left and the likes of MSNBC.
uh...the shoe pretty much fits in what I've seen....
Have you seen the signs at the rallies?
It's not like Michelle Bachmann, Steve King (Iowa) and some of the other Tea Bagger favorites are poster children for erudite, tolerant, urbanites.
I listened to a couple of Tea Party movement people on NPR the other day, both were good at mouthing platitudes, but neither could really explain what policies they would enact, just things they were against. When asked what they were for all they could say was "We're for freedom." Whoopdeefuckingdoo isn't everybody?
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:32:19pm |
Eh, I did my bit for blog peace elsewhere, got nothin' to add here. 'Night all.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:32:25pm |
re: #680 stayfrosty
Scott Brown is a "right wing tea party candidate"? Are you kidding me?
No politician who thinks we should change the Constitution of the United States to prevent gay people from marrying deserves the label of "moderate."
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:32:42pm |
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Bob Dillon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:32:49pm |
re: #618 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Where the hell is Charles going? Mars?
He's been traveling for two days...
He did say "Western Hemisphere" ;-)
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:32:53pm |
re: #676 Bagua
I disagree with you, but you already knew that. :)
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brainwizard73 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:33:06pm |
Since it is clear that there are some "non-tradtionally right wing social" opinions held my Mr. Brown, I was wondering if someone has a copy of the "social moderate " checklist for my review. I must have missed the memo.
| 702 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:33:16pm |
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:33:36pm |
re: #678 The Sanity Inspector
Glad you picked that Thai city and not...that other one...
Okay..I'll bite..which other city...
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:33:45pm |
re: #653 SanFranciscoZionist
Can I just say, without working people up, or getting attacked, that this whole situation is just creeping me the hell out?
Done now. Carry on.
I understand. This isn't what LGF is for. It's been creeping me out for a long time - you have no idea. I really wish it had never spilled onto the threads here. Me and iceweasel did all we could to avoid that.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:34:08pm |
re: #680 stayfrosty
Scott Brown is a "right wing tea party candidate"? Are you kidding me?
He's pro-choice and has a very moderate record. He refuses to identify himself even as a "Reagan conservative", let alone a Tea Party conservative. Maybe the people of Massachusettes just think fiscal conservatism is the best way to bring jobs back to their state? Nah, it has to be the Tea Party Conspiracy!
Are we back in hyper-partisan mode or something?
Whoa! OK..That was a pretty strong sign on..Are you voting Tuesday in Mass? Or are you just talking political trash? Are you like one of the local pissed off electoral? Or are you living in a retirement community in Orange County?
| 706 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:34:21pm |
re: #701 brainwizard73
If I ever ran for office; their'd be fodder for either side.
I like it that way.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:34:26pm |
re: #675 albusteve
Right alongside that classic wedding video of cats fucking.
Cant teach or buy class.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:34:28pm |
re: #703 PT Barnum
Okay..I'll bite..which other city...
A certain seaside resort, that was hit by the tsunami.
| 709 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:34:29pm |
To some of my friends here, I offer a quote from Mr King on his day:
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that"
| 710 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:34:43pm |
re: #680 stayfrosty
Scott Brown is a "right wing tea party candidate"? Are you kidding me?
He's pro-choice and has a very moderate record. He refuses to identify himself even as a "Reagan conservative", let alone a Tea Party conservative. Maybe the people of Massachusettes just think fiscal conservatism is the best way to bring jobs back to their state? Nah, it has to be the Tea Party Conspiracy!
Are we back in hyper-partisan mode or something?
This is a close-highly contested election with National Implications. Such elections always cause partisan and ideological passions to roil and bubble. Tomorrow is going to be a fairly tense night in here.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:34:58pm |
re: #697 Charles
No politician who thinks we should change the Constitution of the United States to prevent gay people from marrying deserves the label of "moderate."
that one particular notion should raise some red flags...the Constitution cannot be used in that manner, it's worse than the 'living document' adherents ....what a can of worms
| 712 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:35:15pm |
re: #633 cliffster
Hmm, Rasmussen has it Coakley 49% and Brown 47%. Rusmussen usually gets it right. Not much to see here. Perhaps that's the reason for the public display of vitriol?
I still reckon Coakley will win, but the trumpets are sounding for next November being the end of the Obama agenda.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:35:30pm |
Priorities.
;)
| 714 |
prairiefire Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:35:50pm |
Night, my squabbling scaly bloggers. I'm sure we will all have a lot to talk about on Wednesday.
| 715 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:36:05pm |
| 716 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:36:15pm |
re: #694 CapeCoddah
LOL, Butthurt, Jimmah?
Now why do you think that's a clever response to someone correctly pointing out that your debating techniques are of the most pathetic sort?
Go away, troll.
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rwmofo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:36:28pm |
re: #685 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think that the "Party of No" keeps the "Party of Yes" in check. On either side.
Please, Lord. Let there always be a "Party of No".
Agreed. Stay in control for too long and you take it for granted. Gingrich was largely responsible for balancing the budget, but as soon as he resigned look at what happened. Republicans got used to winning elections, relaxed and lost their focus. The pendulum will naturally swing in both directions and that should keep both parties from going too far - and it's starting to look like the democrat party is catching on just after too late.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:36:29pm |
re: #707 CapeCoddah
Right alongside that classic wedding video of cats fucking.
Cant teach or buy class.
hahaha!....good memory and so true
| 719 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:36:43pm |
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:36:52pm |
re: #641 Racer X
Am I the only one who thinks of elementary school when I hear the childish term "butthurt".
It really is old.
I've said that from the start, but I get dismissed as a prude.
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captdiggs Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:37:09pm |
re: #697 Charles
No politician who thinks we should change the Constitution of the United States to prevent gay people from marrying deserves the label of "moderate."
Brown stated that gay marriage was "settled law" in Mass.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]
I can't find any reference to him wanting to change the US constitution on that issue, or any other.
Do you have a reference for that?
| 722 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:37:30pm |
re: #465 funky chicken
Brown's pro-choice, and he's in favor of gay rights. I think he is a pretty reasonable guy.
He's actually in favor of rolling BACK Massachusetts' gay rights. He supports state-by-state non-federal civil unions,
whereas Massachusetts' has actual gay marriage. He's committing to nothing of substance, since the meat of gay marriage are the federal benefits. The actual equality. he's basically taking no stand at all on the issue one way or the other, since gay marriage in Mass. is established.
So no, not a fan, not impressed. He's socially not insane right wing, but he's on the wrong side of Massachusetts' constitution.
| 723 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:37:33pm |
re: #695 PT Barnum
uh...the shoe pretty much fits in what I've seen...
Have you seen the signs at the rallies?
It's not like Michelle Bachmann, Steve King (Iowa) and some of the other Tea Bagger favorites are poster children for erudite, tolerant, urbanites.
I listened to a couple of Tea Party movement people on NPR the other day, both were good at mouthing platitudes, but neither could really explain what policies they would enact, just things they were against. When asked what they were for all they could say was "We're for freedom." Whoopdeefuckingdoo isn't everybody?
So far, I am not hearing any good rationale for the tea-party phenomenon. This could be because the vox populi is being supressed by the evil MSM elite. Or, it could be because most of these folks are just as overwrought, self-indulgent and fantasy-prone as they seem.
| 724 |
BryanS Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:38:09pm |
re: #717 rwmofo
Agreed. Stay in control for too long and you take it for granted. Gingrich was largely responsible for balancing the budget, but as soon as he resigned look at what happened. Republicans got used to winning elections, relaxed and lost their focus. The pendulum will naturally swing in both directions and that should keep both parties from going too far - and it's starting to look like the democrat party is catching on just after too late.
Except I don't think the Dems have yet learned they are going too far.
| 725 |
Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:38:10pm |
Seems like the Supreme Court should put the same-sex marriage issue to rest (at least for a while). What the hell are they waiting on?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:38:16pm |
Scott Brown is NOT "pro-choice."
Scott Brown Engaged In Culture Wars As Mass Pol.
But on many social issues he staked out strongly conservative positions. His stance on abortion may provide the most compelling evidence. Once a stated supported of Roe v. Wade, he adopted a pro-life record later in his career.
"We're behind him," said John Rowe, chairman of Citizens for Life's federal political action committee. "The pro-life vote is very important at this point. It can make a big difference... We always welcome people coming over to our side."
And he did NOT vote in favor of stem cell research:
The state senator has also voted against stem cell research funding, according to the Blue Mass Group, despite hailing from a state with massive biotech industry potential.
A lot of the propaganda about Brown being a "moderate" is actually not true.
Now that I have a few minutes to get on the web I've been looking into his background some more, and I'm seriously considering restoring the description "far right."
Brown is absolutely not a moderate in any meaningful way.
| 727 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:38:27pm |
re: #720 Bagua
I've said that from the start, but I get dismissed as a prude.
I'm laughing my ass off here. This little spat is funny as hell.
"I know you are but what am I?"
LOL!
| 728 |
Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:38:53pm |
re: #712 Bagua
I still reckon Coakley will win, but the trumpets are sounding for next November being the end of the Obama agenda.
And if the economy actually does start to turn around (which some say is already happening. I know there are companies starting to hire where I live), watch the GOP be in the wilderness for the next 4 election cycles.
November is still a ways off. I'm not going to make a bet either way until October.
| 730 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:39:11pm |
re: #716 Jimmah
Now why do you think that's a clever response to someone correctly pointing out that your debating techniques are of the most pathetic sort?
Go away, troll.
Fuck you, we have never debated about a single thing.. Don't tell me to go away, jackass.
| 731 |
The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:39:26pm |
re: #707 CapeCoddah
Right alongside that classic wedding video of cats fucking.
Cant teach or buy class.
You've got nothing but butthurt whimpering and insults. It's been pointed out. Make as many insults as you like about 'class' or the lack thereof, but you haven't been particularly classy yourself here.*
* not that I have, necessarily.
| 732 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:39:29pm |
re: #716 Jimmah
Now why do you think that's a clever response to someone correctly pointing out that your debating techniques are of the most pathetic sort?
Go away, troll.
debating techniques?...are you kidding me?....hahaha!...get the fuck outa here!....and regardless, calling CapeCodder a troll proves your trashy style people have been trying to point out to you...nice going
| 733 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:39:30pm |
re: #727 Racer X
I'm laughing my ass off here. This little spat is funny as hell.
"I know you are but what am I?"
LOL!
"A garbage man"
:)
| 734 |
Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:40:06pm |
The administration's propaganda machine had bettr get cranking quick. The press are bound and determined to make the Afghan capital attack out to be this war's Tet. Despite the fact that about half the attackers never made it to their target, only 12 people were killed, including several of the attacker, and their intended target (the soon to be sworn in electees of Karzai's gov.) were all fine, the press is quoting people who are "...so concerned, so disappointed about the security in the capital," said Mohammad Hussain, a 25-year-old shopkeeper who witnessed the fighting. "Tens of thousands of U.S. and NATO troops are being sent to Afghanistan, yet security in the capital is deteriorating."Article
| 735 |
laZardo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:40:07pm |
How did Americans become so paranoid about progressive politics anyway? And how did the American political spectrum become calibrated to the right of just about every other developed country, anyway?
I'd really like to know.
| 736 |
jvic Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:40:14pm |
re: #633 cliffster
Hmm, Rasmussen has it Coakley 49% and Brown 47%. Rusmussen usually gets it right. Not much to see here. Perhaps that's the reason for the public display of vitriol?
Rasmussen, on a poll of his with those numbers:
The survey was conducted on Monday night, the night of a televised debate between the candidates.
That would be Monday January 11.
| 737 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:40:30pm |
Voted YES on defining marriage as one man and one woman
Massachusetts Democratic Party Platform indicates voting NO in Part I: Families & Children:Domestic Partnership. [State Senator Brown, a Republican, voted YES].Vote on a proposed Constitutional amendment: "It being the public policy of the Commonwealth to protect the unique relationship of marriage, only the union of one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Massachusetts. This article is self-executing, but the General Court may enact laws... establishing civil unions."
Relevant platform section:Part I: Families & Children: Domestic Partnership: "We oppose actions that would define marriage solely as a relationship between a man and a woman, and that would ban the recognition of any other relationship as marriage or its legal equivalent. We oppose efforts that would ban the provision of any benefits to gay and lesbian families that are now granted exclusively to married couples."
Source citation: Constitutional Amendment ; vote number 522
Source: Massachusetts House Journals via MassScorecard.org Feb 11, 2004
| 738 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:40:45pm |
re: #697 Charles
No politician who thinks we should change the Constitution of the United States to prevent gay people from marrying deserves the label of "moderate."
A FUCKING MEN
Brown is socially right wing. The such and jive about civil unions is the man staying out of the issue because he knows if he goes all wedge-issue on gays it will backfire on him. He's just a 3 or a 4 on the social right wing scale, as opposed to a 9 or a 10 like the Bachmanns of the party.
| 739 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:40:47pm |
re: #728 PT Barnum
And if the economy actually does start to turn around (which some say is already happening. I know there are companies starting to hire where I live), watch the GOP be in the wilderness for the next 4 election cycles.
November is still a ways off. I'm not going to make a bet either way until October.
It's always the economy.
| 740 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:40:54pm |
re: #716 Jimmah
Downding for calling a long time Lizard a troll. By definition, incorrect.
Not personal.
| 741 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:41:11pm |
re: #716 Jimmah
Now why do you think that's a clever response to someone correctly pointing out that your debating techniques are of the most pathetic sort?
Go away, troll.
Your "debating technique" consists of calling people "butthurt." Whenever someone points that out, you call them "butthurt." Q.E.D.
If this blog was South Park, you'd be Terrance (or maybe Philip)
| 742 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:41:44pm |
re: #730 CapeCoddah
Fuck you, we have never debated about a single thing.. Don't tell me to go away, jackass.
Look, troll - I'm ignoring you from now on - continue your massively butthurt little rant on your own.
| 743 |
The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:41:47pm |
re: #735 laZardo
How did Americans become so paranoid about progressive politics anyway? And how did the American political spectrum become calibrated to the right of just about every other developed country, anyway?
I'd really like to know.
The steady pushing of the Overton Window to the right for a couple of decades, basically.
| 744 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:41:48pm |
re: #730 CapeCoddah
Fuck you, we have never debated about a single thing.. Don't tell me to go away, jackass.
Children, take note. This is how you respond to petty insults and accusations.
Well done!
*rubs hiney
| 745 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:41:58pm |
re: #735 laZardo
How did Americans become so paranoid about progressive politics anyway? And how did the American political spectrum become calibrated to the right of just about every other developed country, anyway?
I'd really like to know.
Americans are afraid of lefties. You know, like Canadians are afraid of the dark.
| 746 |
jaunte Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:42:04pm |
re: #735 laZardo
It all started with these two crazy cats named John Wycliffe and Johannes Hus, who were mad about the church selling indulgences...
| 747 |
BryanS Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:42:46pm |
re: #728 PT Barnum
And if the economy actually does start to turn around (which some say is already happening. I know there are companies starting to hire where I live), watch the GOP be in the wilderness for the next 4 election cycles.
November is still a ways off. I'm not going to make a bet either way until October.
We're not out of the woods yet. Small business lending is still nearly non-existent, and that's where the job growth comes from. We've been gorging on the fed's printing presses, and at some point the bill will come due. And, if this health care monstrosity passes, the increased payroll taxes and burden on businesses will further delay any recovery.
| 748 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:43:10pm |
| 749 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:43:13pm |
Jim has hit the troll accusation button...the bottom of the barrel...that's Jim's A-Game right there...pitiful Jimbob
| 750 |
Sheila Broflovski Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:43:16pm |
I could not find Terrance and Philip singing "Uncle Fucker" in French. So here it is in Japanese.
| 751 |
The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:43:38pm |
re: #740 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Downding for calling a long time Lizard a troll. By definition, incorrect.
Not personal.
"Trolling" is a behaviour that anyone can engage in, regardless of whether they are a longtime lizard or not.
| 752 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:44:00pm |
re: #740 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Downding for calling a long time Lizard a troll. By definition, incorrect.
Not personal.
Trolling is a behaviour as far as I'm concerned - 'long time lizards' are just as capable of it as noobs. And I say that as someone who has been here a lot longer than that one.
| 753 |
laZardo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:44:07pm |
I'm 22. Probably the youngest active LGF user here.
And I'm gonna go eat lunch and look for internship opportunities. until this place becomes a lot less childish.
Excuse me.
| 754 |
captdiggs Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:44:09pm |
re: #726 Charles
Blue Mass Group is a partisan organization.
The Boston Herald disputes what they say about his stem cell vote.
Beware the propaganda and smears by the left.
| 756 |
Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:45:02pm |
re: #747 BryanS
I am not saying we're out of the woods, but there are some hopeful signs. Like I said, I think it's too early to declare the 2010 or the 2012 election, just like I thought 9 months in was too early to decide whether or not the Obama administration was a failure.
| 758 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:45:28pm |
re: #697 Charles
An amendment on marriage is ultra hard right. Is that the whole story of this candidate?
No.
I'm trying to gather the correct impression. Broad brush is just confusing. Issue by issue is a mixed bag. 5 minutes of looking-
Quoting from On The Issues
He is moderate on gun control. Pro CCW & pro background checks & licences. Moderate on energy.
* Cap-and-trade is a national energy tax. (Jan 2010)
* Opposes cap-and-trade system, but renewables OK. (Jan 2010)
* Promote increased use of alternative fuel technology. (Nov 2002)
* 2005: Conscience-based opt out of post-rape contraception. (Jan 2010)
* Provide info about emergency contraception to rape victims. (Jan 2010)
* Support legalized abortion, but not partial-birth abortion. (Jan 2010)
* Supported by right-to-life groups for stem cell stance. (Jan 2010)
* Authored bill for 24-hour waiting period for abortion. (Jan 2010)
* Abortions should always be legally available. (Nov 2002)
| 759 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:45:30pm |
Jim and Ice...nice folks to have around eh?...maybe they should take a time out and make another video of themselves or whatever
| 760 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:45:39pm |
| 762 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:45:58pm |
Please knock off the squabbling. I've said this over and over, but when these endless back and forth sessions get started, they're a complete turn-off to anyone reading these comments.
Don't make me start handing out time-outs. Just take a step back and a deep breath and knock it off.
| 763 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:46:09pm |
re: #753 laZardo
I'm 22. Probably the youngest active LGF user here.
And I'm gonna go eat lunch and look for internship opportunities. until this place becomes a lot less childish.
Excuse me.
I think that YoungLibertarian dude is 17! :D
| 765 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:46:12pm |
re: #726 Charles
Scott Brown is NOT "pro-choice."
Scott Brown Engaged In Culture Wars As Mass Pol.
A lot of the propaganda about Brown being a "moderate" is actually not true.
Now that I have a few minutes to get on the web I've been looking into his background some more, and I'm seriously considering restoring the description "far right."
Brown is absolutely not a moderate in any meaningful way.
He's a SoCon, but he's not far right. I'm not a moderate either, but I'm not far right. My own feeling is to call him conservative, and leave it at that.
| 766 |
Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:46:23pm |
| 767 |
laZardo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:46:25pm |
re: #743 iceweasel
The steady pushing of the Overton Window to the right for a couple of decades, basically.
Also, greenheart'd for reference.
Now to lunch.
| 768 |
jdog29 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:46:32pm |
re: #753 laZardo
I'm 22. Probably the youngest active LGF user here.
And I'm gonna go eat lunch and look for internship opportunities. until this place becomes a lot less childish.
Excuse me.
so you're never coming back? //
| 769 |
Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:46:32pm |
| 770 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:46:39pm |
re: #762 Charles
In all seriousness, thank you for that.
| 771 |
McSpiff Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:46:48pm |
re: #753 laZardo
I'm 22. Probably the youngest active LGF user here.
And I'm gonna go eat lunch and look for internship opportunities. until this place becomes a lot less childish.
Excuse me.
Same age!
| 772 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:47:01pm |
re: #762 Charles
Please knock off the squabbling. I've said this over and over, but when these endless back and forth sessions get started, they're a complete turn-off to anyone reading these comments.
Don't make me start handing out time-outs. Just take a step back and a deep breath and knock it off.
Good God, thank you.
| 774 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:47:23pm |
re: #753 laZardo
I'm 22. Probably the youngest active LGF user here.
And I'm gonna go eat lunch and look for internship opportunities. until this place becomes a lot less childish.
Excuse me.
Actually, YoungLibertarian92 is the youngest here at 17.
| 775 |
The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:47:42pm |
re: #767 laZardo
Also, greenheart'd for reference.
Now to lunch.
You're welcome. Have a great lunch-- looking forward to discussing the Overton Window and American political discourse with you in future!
| 776 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:47:49pm |
| 777 |
laZardo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:48:26pm |
re: #774 Dark_Falcon
Actually, YoungLibertarian92 is the youngest here at 17.
FUCK.
/k, actually really eating lunch now.
| 778 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:48:53pm |
| 779 |
BryanS Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:48:58pm |
re: #756 PT Barnum
I am not saying we're out of the woods, but there are some hopeful signs. Like I said, I think it's too early to declare the 2010 or the 2012 election, just like I thought 9 months in was too early to decide whether or not the Obama administration was a failure.
We're at least out of catastrophic economic disaster range anyway. But the actions taken to prevent a meltdown will lead to long term slow growth. We can only hope we don't lose a decade or two like the Japanese.
| 781 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:49:29pm |
re: #751 iceweasel
re: #752 Jimmah
As I have always understood it. A troll is someone who "trolls". Simply looking for a fight.
That's all. Love you guys. I contemplated this. Not "knee-jerk".
I am not agreeing or disagreeing philosophically. Just... CapeCoddah is not a "troll" in the way that I understand a Troll.
Just me. The way that I understand a troll.
| 782 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:49:37pm |
re: #741 Alouette
Your "debating technique" consists of calling people "butthurt." Whenever someone points that out, you call them "butthurt." Q.E.D.
If this blog was South Park, you'd be Terrance (or maybe Philip)
No, that's how I respond to people who are posting childishly, irrationally, and/or emotionally without bringing anything of substance to the debate. Like our friend CC has done in this thread. You and CC on the other hand, call people 'butthurt' simply for calling out other's bullshit in a way that they can't respond substantially to.
| 783 |
freetoken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:49:38pm |
re: #734 Escaped Hillbilly
The Haiti crises has overwhelmed the news cycle... I was only passingly aware of what happened in Afghanistan.
Afghanistan has complexities that are hard to grasp, not the least of which that some of the people we are trying to help was us to fail so they can be their own big fish in a small dry pond. Call me a cynic, but part of me believes that some Afghans want to use situations like this to try and twist the US's arm in one direction or another. The fact that we are supporting a guy in Afghanistan who was elected in a highly dubious voting process means we haven't learned our lesson from doing similar things in other places - not the least of which is Haiti.
| 784 |
Pacificlady Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:49:41pm |
Brown may drive a pick-up truck, but at least he hasn't driven it off a bridge and drowned someone.
| 785 |
jvic Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:49:44pm |
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:50:47pm |
It's interesting. I think it's pretty clear that the majority of the people in America do not support gay marriage, for better or for worse. So why would a position against gay marriage be considered "far right"?
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funky chicken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:51:05pm |
From The Corner (havn't waded in there in ages) we have Brown's campaign calling rabid right wingers, well, rabid right wingers. I like it!
A Brown campaign official who has been investigating tells me: "They are calling via a push-button survey and asking people if they support Obama. If you say 'no,' it hangs up on you. If you say 'yes,' it then proceeds to give you this rabid right-wing message and tell you to vote for Scott Brown. Again, that message is going to Obama supporters, so it looks like it's deliberately designed to tick off Ds and Indies."
UPDATE/CORRECTION: Miscommunication: NOM is doing voter outreach in Massachusetts:
Responding to multiple press inquires, today the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) confirmed its voter outreach campaign supporting Scott Brown in the Massachusetts Senate special election. Over the weekend and continuing today NOM will place over 790,000 calls primarily to Independent and Republican voters to identify voters who support marriage and encourage them to turn out and vote for Scott Brown.
It's not his fault that nutters are doing this crap. Was it Obama's fault when ANSWER and CODE PINK went all out to support him?
And Brown's campaign just did more to repudiate Maggie Gallagher and her band of lunatics than I remember Obama's campaign ever doing to the left wing nuts.
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BryanS Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:51:47pm |
re: #774 Dark_Falcon
Actually, YoungLibertarian92 is the youngest here at 17.
And here I thought he was a nonagenarian. /
| 793 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:52:42pm |
re: #762 Charles
Please knock off the squabbling. I've said this over and over, but when these endless back and forth sessions get started, they're a complete turn-off to anyone reading these comments.
Don't make me start handing out time-outs. Just take a step back and a deep breath and knock it off.
Thank you for that, Charles. Things can get heated but we should all always remember to respect each other.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:52:44pm |
re: #759 albusteve
Jim and Ice...nice folks to have around eh?...maybe they should take a time out and make another video of themselves or whatever
Do we really have to do another round of this?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:52:46pm |
re: #168 CapeCoddah
Tea partiers, huh, funny, I learned the word as a child...so did everyone else. So, after less than a year of existence, any mention of the word socialism is Tea Party?
Nice try. You wish.
Anyone who claims that America is heading towards "socialism" is deluded, lying, or crazy. We don't even have a reliable mainstream left-wing party, much less a "socialist" party.
So yes, freaking out about actual real "socialism" in this country is tin-foil Uncle-Sam hat, wild-eyed bunker beardo territory. Socialism to the crank far-right has just become the latest scary word they can drain all the meaning from.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:53:56pm |
re: #795 WindUpBird
Anyone who claims that America is heading towards "socialism" is deluded, lying, or crazy. We don't even have a reliable mainstream left-wing party, much less a "socialist" party.
So yes, freaking out about actual real "socialism" in this country is tin-foil Uncle-Sam hat, wild-eyed bunker beardo territory. Socialism to the crank far-right has just become the latest scary word they can drain all the meaning from.
one step at a time comrade
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barflytom Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:53:58pm |
re: #697 Charles
No politician who thinks we should change the Constitution of the United States to prevent gay people from marrying deserves the label of "moderate."
Bloody hell. I doubt that it ever occured to the framers of the constitution that gay people would someday want to marry each other.
As usual, I've moseyed into this thread after leaving the bar, and don't have time to read through 700+ comments to see if I'm labouring someone else's point here, but, well, bloody hell !
It seems that a fairly mainstream GOP candidate is going to take a seat previously held without difficulty for a few centuries by a drunken, philandering democrat. Doesn't that say more about the present popularity of the Obama / Pelosi "regime" (to use a lefty expression) than about the tea partying / tea bagging peasants revolt ?
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:54:01pm |
A Troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:54:06pm |
re: #784 Pacificlady
Brown may drive a pick-up truck, but at least he hasn't driven it off a bridge and drowned someone.
CH@PP@QU1DD1CK!!111!!
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mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:54:55pm |
re: #697 Charles
No politician who thinks we should change the Constitution of the United States to prevent gay people from marrying deserves the label of "moderate."
Two alternatives, make a Constitutional amendment defining marriage one way or another, or leave it up to each of the 50 states to do it for themselves. Actually the way the Feds have used the interstate commerce clause to grab power from the states on so many other issues, I'm kind of surprised that hasn't already happened with the issue of marriage. It does affect all sorts of interstate commerce.
But its not a big surprise that the writers of the Constitution didn't think it was even necessary to define. If they could have seen this in their crystal ball I'm guessing they would have wanted a National definition to avoid the chaos.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:55:18pm |
re: #784 Pacificlady
Brown may drive a pick-up truck, but at least he hasn't driven it off a bridge and drowned someone.
To the best of my knowledge, neither has Coakley. Can we agree that the two candidates are even on that score?
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kingkenrod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:55:21pm |
re: #726 Charles
Scott Brown is NOT "pro-choice."
Scott Brown Engaged In Culture Wars As Mass Pol.
A lot of the propaganda about Brown being a "moderate" is actually not true.
Now that I have a few minutes to get on the web I've been looking into his background some more, and I'm seriously considering restoring the description "far right."
Brown is absolutely not a moderate in any meaningful way.
If a Republican holds these views, he's "far right". If a Democrat holds these views, he's "moderate". Funny how that works out.
| 805 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:55:34pm |
re: #795 WindUpBird
Not headed in that direction? Are you saying Obama moved this nations policies to the right?! Or left then unchanged in that sense?
| 806 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:55:37pm |
I have another half of Lakers Ball to watch..Why are the Lakers so great every year? It seems my whole life the Lakers have been great..I hate them...
(But are a beauty to watch)
They are toying with the Magic...
| 807 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:56:10pm |
re: #798 barflytom
Bloody hell. I doubt that it ever occured to the framers of the constitution that gay people would someday want to marry each other.
As usual, I've moseyed into this thread after leaving the bar, and don't have time to read through 700+ comments to see if I'm labouring someone else's point here, but, well, bloody hell !
It seems that a fairly mainstream GOP candidate is going to take a seat previously held without difficulty for a few centuries by a drunken, philandering democrat. Doesn't that say more about the present popularity of the Obama / Pelosi "regime" (to use a lefty expression) than about the tea partying / tea bagging peasants revolt ?
it does to me...Brown has is ideas but he seems safe enough for the Senate compared to other crackpots that sit there term, after term
| 808 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:56:20pm |
re: #805 Rightwingconspirator
PIMF
left them unchanged?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:56:24pm |
re: #797 albusteve
one step at a time comrade
At the size of the steps we're taking, we'll become a socialist country in roughly 3500 years. We have examples of real socialism in this world! Which America doesn't resemble at all.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:56:46pm |
re: #786 cliffster
It's interesting. I think it's pretty clear that the majority of the people in America do not support gay marriage, for better or for worse. So why would a position against gay marriage be considered "far right"?
Demanding that we amend the Constitution in case that ever changes, is.
| 811 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:57:13pm |
re: #804 kingkenrod
If a Republican holds these views, he's "far right". If a Democrat holds these views, he's "moderate". Funny how that works out.
Actually if a Democrat holds those views, i refer to them as a "pile of shit."
| 812 |
Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:57:31pm |
re: #779 BryanS
We're at least out of catastrophic economic disaster range anyway. But the actions taken to prevent a meltdown will lead to long term slow growth. We can only hope we don't lose a decade or two like the Japanese.
We need to bring back sensible, conservative, regulation to prevent the problem from reoccurring. By conservative, I mean that we restore the prohibitions that prevented the financial sector from taking risks that made no sense at all or at the very least made them think twice about it. Careful conservative, not deregulate everything and let the chips fall where they may conservative, which I've never thought of as conservative anyway.
I think we have to also restore some of the prohibitions that prevented companies from getting too big to be allowed to fail.
I also think we need to start putting some teeth into the actual enforcement of the laws on the books already rather than turning a blind eye to misbehavior when it occurs.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:57:37pm |
re: #799 Olsonist
A Troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
we know that...the term is intentionally misused
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:57:48pm |
Firing the CEO of GM is a cardinal example of Government running the company. Nothing socialist here move along now...//
| 815 |
Kiernan Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:57:55pm |
Look, I realize you live in California, but if you don't know what the "H" you are talking about, maybe, as head lizard, your headline could be a little less biased? Especially since it is completely wrong.
Now, having said that, perhaps the pendulum is swinging back to the center?
New England Republicans tend to be much milder and liberal, there is no need for thinking it is controlled by out-of-state right wingers. It has been fun to watch this race develop over the last few weeks.
Coakley really really is a terrible candidate. Hopefully she will lose.
She came within a mile of my house on Saturday, a mild warm day.
And I rode my bike by.
And she was counter demonstrated by Brown supporters too.
Today, in the Boston Globe John Kerry complained that right wing thugs
from out of state were doing terrible things.
[Link: www.boston.com...]
I really wasn't expecting you to echo the same talking points as John Kerry.
I saw both rallies, and I didn't see any thugs.
Anyway, obviously the Coakley/Brown election is a great topic, but why did you have to give is such a a slanted lede?
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Lidane Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:58:06pm |
re: #798 barflytom
Doesn't that say more about the present popularity of the Obama / Pelosi "regime" (to use a lefty expression) than about the tea partying / tea bagging peasants revolt ?
Nah. I think it's more a reflection of the Dems running a weak, pathetic candidate because they took Kennedy's seat for granted.
| 817 |
rwmofo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:58:09pm |
OK, who is really moderate? Glad you asked. I went to the Americans for Democratic Action website and checked the 2007 Congressional Voting Records. If you have a 100% score they classify you a "Hero." Heroes are all Democrats. If you score zero on their scale, they call you a "Zero." Zeroes, of course, are all Republicans.
Here is their entire list of moderates (it's on page 27 of 28):
Senate Moderates
LQ = 40-60
Lugar (R-IN)
Collins (R-ME)
Snowe (R-ME)
Coleman(R-MN)
Smith (R-OR)
Specter (R-PA)
OK, Specter's on the list and it was 2007, but what's the elephant in the room?
| 818 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:58:29pm |
re: #798 barflytom
Bloody hell. I doubt that it ever occured to the framers of the constitution that gay people would someday want to marry each other.
As usual, I've moseyed into this thread after leaving the bar, and don't have time to read through 700+ comments to see if I'm labouring someone else's point here, but, well, bloody hell !
It seems that a fairly mainstream GOP candidate is going to take a seat previously held without difficulty for a few centuries by a drunken, philandering democrat. Doesn't that say more about the present popularity of the Obama / Pelosi "regime" (to use a lefty expression) than about the tea partying / tea bagging peasants revolt ?
There are a lot of things the founding fathers didn't foresee. They didn't have microwave ovens, for example. Maybe we should have a constitutional amendment banning those too?
| 819 |
Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 8:59:11pm |
re: #783 freetoken
I agree in the theoretical but these attackers are the same old/new Taliban, not a legitimate opposition party. They are aware the UN has complained about Pres Obama's withdrawl schedule and are hoping to capitalize on fears of exactly what you cite. They really are on the wire. A cornered enemy is at its most dangerous. But that does not mean they have any chance of winning.
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BryanS Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:00:03pm |
re: #812 PT Barnum
We need to bring back sensible, conservative, regulation to prevent the problem from reoccurring. By conservative, I mean that we restore the prohibitions that prevented the financial sector from taking risks that made no sense at all or at the very least made them think twice about it. Careful conservative, not deregulate everything and let the chips fall where they may conservative, which I've never thought of as conservative anyway.
I think we have to also restore some of the prohibitions that prevented companies from getting too big to be allowed to fail.
I also think we need to start putting some teeth into the actual enforcement of the laws on the books already rather than turning a blind eye to misbehavior when it occurs.
Agreed on all points.
| 821 |
The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:00:19pm |
re: #810 SanFranciscoZionist
Demanding that we amend the Constitution in case that ever changes, is.
DADT's going to be overturned soon as part of a defence bill.
DOMA is next. Look for the culture warriors to be out in full force over the 'gay agenda' for the next 18 months or so. We'll see some massive homophobia pouring out of the right soon. It's already there (the hysteria over Kevin Jennings, the comments in places like HotAir and Freak Republic over Uganda's bill) but it's going to be out loud and proud-- to steal a phrase.
| 822 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:00:19pm |
re: #801 CapeCoddah
Wasn't about you. (sorry)
I do not think of long time Lizards as trolls. Period.
People have opinions. What LGF is supposed to be about.
A troll is someone who goes around looking for a fight.
I don't think that you fall into that category.
You've worked very hard for Brown; but I would hope you're not stupid enough to spend this much time here to sway three or four votes. The MA voters I know of off of the top of my head don't even live in MA (besides you).
Therefore, not a troll, IMO. But, I am not the decider.
| 823 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:00:45pm |
re: #815 Kiernan
Look, I realize you live in California, but if you don't know what the "H" you are talking about, maybe, as head lizard, your headline could be a little less biased? Especially since it is completely wrong.
Apparently, you haven't been paying attention as the tea party groups and social conservative groups have glommed onto Scott Brown en masse.
| 826 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:01:10pm |
re: #802 mich-again
I have another guess-Maybe they would see marriage as a religious ritual, and leave the Federal Government out of it.
| 827 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:01:23pm |
re: #810 SanFranciscoZionist
Demanding that we amend the Constitution in case that ever changes, is.
How many states have had a popular vote to amend their constitution to define marriage as such? You and I might not like it, but the idea that marriage should NOT be defined as between a man and a woman is the more radical position.
| 829 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:01:55pm |
re: #826 Rightwingconspirator
I have another guess-Maybe they would see marriage as a religious ritual, and leave the Federal Government out of it.
Federalism....use it
| 830 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:02:08pm |
re: #526 Killgore Trout
Gaze is your friend, folks.
Can I just reiterate this?
Gaze is your friend!
Thanks to KT for the post!
| 831 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:02:20pm |
re: #795 WindUpBird
Anyone who claims that America is heading towards "socialism" is deluded, lying, or crazy. We don't even have a reliable mainstream left-wing party, much less a "socialist" party.
So yes, freaking out about actual real "socialism" in this country is tin-foil Uncle-Sam hat, wild-eyed bunker beardo territory. Socialism to the crank far-right has just become the latest scary word they can drain all the meaning from.
Are the Uncle Sam hat and the beard symbols of the far right ?
| 832 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:02:21pm |
| 833 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:02:39pm |
re: #805 Rightwingconspirator
Not headed in that direction? Are you saying Obama moved this nations policies to the right?! Or left then unchanged in that sense?
He is not heading in a socialist direction, no. Not even remotely. Mainstream American Democrat does not equal socialism. His policies are moderate Democrat policies. Many of his policies are continuing Bush policies. It's like saying putting all weather tires on my Volkswagen is "moving it in the direction of a Ford F-350".
I don't subscribe to this one axis, OMGDEMSARESOCIALIST nonsense. it's an incredibly simplistic and inaccurate abstraction of political thought. it's not a football game. it's not like the Dems are at one end zone and the Republicans are at the other, and you move the ball up and down the field gaining and losing yardage, and that's how simple it is. It's much more complex and nuanced than that.
| 834 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:03:24pm |
re: #827 cliffster
How many states have had a popular vote to amend their constitution to define marriage as such? You and I might not like it, but the idea that marriage should NOT be defined as between a man and a woman is the more radical position.
That's not an argument for amending the Constitution.
| 835 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:03:46pm |
re: #833 WindUpBird
He is not heading in a socialist direction, no. Not even remotely. Mainstream American Democrat does not equal socialism. His policies are moderate Democrat policies. Many of his policies are continuing Bush policies. It's like saying putting all weather tires on my Volkswagen is "moving it in the direction of a Ford F-350".
I don't subscribe to this one axis, OMGDEMSARESOCIALIST nonsense. it's an incredibly simplistic and inaccurate abstraction of political thought. it's not a football game. it's not like the Dems are at one end zone and the Republicans are at the other, and you move the ball up and down the field gaining and losing yardage, and that's how simple it is. It's much more complex and nuanced than that.
two words
cash for clunkers
go ahead and dismiss it
| 836 |
The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:03:53pm |
re: #806 HoosierHoops
I have another half of Lakers Ball to watch..Why are the Lakers so great every year? It seems my whole life the Lakers have been great..I hate them...
(But are a beauty to watch)
They are toying with the Magic...
I hate the Lakers, creamed the Mavs the other night. But tonight? Dirty killed the Celts (37 pts) - almost redemption.
Lakers/Celts/Yankees...players will do what it takes to become a part of the tradition. Hey, gotta hate someone dammit!
| 837 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:04:01pm |
re: #830 Floral Giraffe
Can I just reiterate this?
Gaze is your friend!
Thanks to KT for the post!
Hello, Floral Giraffe. How are the accacia leaves tonight?
/Giraffe humor
| 838 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:04:20pm |
re: #831 Spare O'Lake
Are the Uncle Sam hat and the beard symbols of the far right ?
Only if made from tin-foil.
| 839 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:04:35pm |
"Awake" requires the absence of my presence.
Goodnight my friends.
| 841 |
kingkenrod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:04:51pm |
re: #823 Charles
Apparently, you haven't been paying attention as the tea party groups and social conservative groups have glommed onto Scott Brown en masse.
You're right, and he surged at exactly the same time he announced he opposed the Health Care bill. That's when the money started flowing.
| 842 |
Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:05:14pm |
re: #833 WindUpBird
He is not heading in a socialist direction, no. Not even remotely. Mainstream American Democrat does not equal socialism. His policies are moderate Democrat policies. Many of his policies are continuing Bush policies. It's like saying putting all weather tires on my Volkswagen is "moving it in the direction of a Ford F-350".
I don't subscribe to this one axis, OMGDEMSARESOCIALIST nonsense. it's an incredibly simplistic and inaccurate abstraction of political thought. it's not a football game. it's not like the Dems are at one end zone and the Republicans are at the other, and you move the ball up and down the field gaining and losing yardage, and that's how simple it is. It's much more complex and nuanced than that.
Tea Partiers don't do subtledty. They want simple answers to complex questions. Ambiguity frightens them.
I'd blame Reagan, who first perfected the whole simple answers to complex questions meme.
| 843 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:05:44pm |
re: #831 Spare O'Lake
Are the Uncle Sam hat and the beard symbols of the far right ?
Yes, they are symbols of the cultural gender hegemony of the conservative oppressors.
| 844 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:05:44pm |
re: #835 albusteve
two words
cash for clunkersgo ahead and dismiss it
Jaysus, you're right! IT'S THE APOCALYPSE!
That's how Stalin began!
| 845 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:05:48pm |
re: #834 SanFranciscoZionist
That's not an argument for amending the Constitution.
agreed, almost nothing is...the Con needs to be guarded against frivolous social organizing...the states are well equipped to decide issues concerning abortion and marriage imo
| 846 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:06:08pm |
re: #834 SanFranciscoZionist
That's not an argument for amending the Constitution.
Did it appear that I was saying that? I think you missed my point. I am saying, there are more people who think there should be an amendment than those that don't. So people like us, who think there should not be one, are more radical.
Given that, the statement that "someone who supports defining marriage as between a man and a women is far-right" is basically defining "far-right" as "disagreeing with me".
| 847 |
funky chicken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:06:22pm |
The state senator has also voted against stem cell research funding, according to the Blue Mass Group, despite hailing from a state with massive biotech industry potential. He opposed allowing illegal aliens to live in state-subsidized housing and favored strict English-immersion requirements. The major cause of his early years in the state senate was a legislation strengthening sex offender laws.The two-time incumbent took a firm stance on opposing the request of a convicted murderer for a sex-change operation. He also drew headlines for opposing a bill that allowed aspiring teachers who flunked the state certification test but were deemed potentially valuable from getting a waiver for their license. "If we're going to grant a special path for teachers," he said, "let's allow the same for funeral directors who prepare our loved ones (for burial).''
But Brown spent time on less divisive issues too, including his support of good-government policies. Brown supported the state's Clean Elections Act despite expressing reservations about its implications. In 2003, he sent a letter to a local radio talk show host disclosing the names of his political donors and the amount of their donations.
But on many social issues he staked out strongly conservative positions. His stance on abortion may provide the most compelling evidence. Once a stated supported of Roe v. Wade, he adopted a pro-life record later in his career.
"We're behind him," said John Rowe, chairman of Citizens for Life's federal political action committee. "The pro-life vote is very important at this point. It can make a big difference... We always welcome people coming over to our side."
The stem cell thing is a concern, but the rest of it? Um, doesn't bother me.
Coakley's record as a prosecutor is much less attractive.
| 848 |
Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:06:35pm |
re: #833 WindUpBird
One axis? I agree that's BS. Fiscal policy is well left of center as far as foreign policy is I admit is echoing right/Bush wing. So we have a huge disconnect between fiscal and foreign. On foreign policy you are inarguably correct. On domestic fiscal, not so much.
| 849 |
Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:06:45pm |
re: #836 The Shadow Do
I hate the Lakers, creamed the Mavs the other night. But tonight? Dirty killed the Celts (37 pts) - almost redemption.
Lakers/Celts/Yankees...players will do what it takes to become a part of the tradition. Hey, gotta hate someone dammit!
Dirk played large tonight..Such a step back pure shooter..He's a big boy...His shoulders are just huge...
| 851 |
CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:07:05pm |
re: #795 WindUpBird
Tired, but which congress woman was it addressing some business hearing, and said, first, this sociali..uh.....liberal...... would like to see the government take over and run your businesses...
Anybody remember who that was?
| 852 |
albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:07:07pm |
re: #844 SanFranciscoZionist
Jaysus, you're right! IT'S THE APOCALYPSE!
That's how Stalin began!
it's an example of a small step...don't freak out
| 853 |
stayfrosty Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:07:29pm |
Martha Coakley has said there are no terrorists left in Afghanistan, doesn't support the President's troop surge there, and has said she isn't sure there's any way to succeed there. On top of that, she called Curt Schilling a Yankee's fan.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't George Bush, a social conservative, have lots of support from LGF primarily because he supported policies that protected America? Martha Coakley supports policies that without a doubt will put us in more danger (not to mention her ruinous fiscal policies.)
I'd much rather have someone who supports federalism when it comes to same-sex civil unions than someone who advocates foreign policies that will probably cost American lives. Have I changed or has LGF changed?
| 854 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:07:33pm |
Socialism is not a concrete philosophy of fixed doctrine and programme; its branches advocate a degree of social interventionism and economic rationalisation (usually in the form of economic planning), but sometimes oppose each other.
A dividing feature of the socialist movement is the split between reformists and revolutionaries on how a socialist economy should be established. Some socialists advocate complete nationalisation of the means of production, distribution, and exchange; others advocate state control of capital within the framework of a market economy.
| 855 |
Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:07:46pm |
re: #835 albusteve
two words
cash for clunkersgo ahead and dismiss it
How is cash for clunkers different than Bush giving tax rebates to everyone to try and give a jolt to a lackluster economy?
The government uses economic incentive to change people's behavior all the time. That behavior is still voluntary, as one does have a choice whether or not to participate.
| 856 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:08:16pm |
re: #846 cliffster
Did it appear that I was saying that? I think you missed my point. I am saying, there are more people who think there should be an amendment than those that don't. So people like us, who think there should not be one, are more radical.
Given that, the statement that "someone who supports defining marriage as between a man and a women is far-right" is basically defining "far-right" as "disagreeing with me".
There's a majority favoring an amendment to the Constitution? Link?
| 858 |
Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:08:57pm |
re: #653 SanFranciscoZionist
Can I just say, without working people up, or getting attacked, that this whole situation is just creeping me the hell out?
Done now. Carry on.
DING! DING! DING!
Can you hear me now?????
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:09:12pm |
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:09:19pm |
OT - some good news - Cord blood stem cell transplant hopes lifted
A technique which may eventually remove the need for matched bone marrow transplants has been used in humans for the first time.
It is hoped that "master cells" taken from umbilical cords could be used on any patient without rejection.
The latest advance, published in the journal Nature Medicine, greatly multiplies the tiny number of cells from the cord ready for a transplant.
UK charity Leukaemia Research said this could be the "holy grail" for doctors.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:09:35pm |
re: #856 SanFranciscoZionist
There's a majority favoring an amendment to the Constitution? Link?
No link, just watching the news. Like I asked - how many states have had a popular vote to amend their state constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman?
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baier Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:09:48pm |
re: #855 PT Barnum
How is cash for clunkers different than Bush giving tax rebates to everyone to try and give a jolt to a lackluster economy?
The government uses economic incentive to change people's behavior all the time. That behavior is still voluntary, as one does have a choice whether or not to participate.
Not everyone participates, but everyone pays. Great program.
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:09:53pm |
re: #818 Charles
There are a lot of things the founding fathers didn't foresee. They didn't have microwave ovens, for example. Maybe we should have a constitutional amendment banning those too?
There were homosexuals back then, too. I bet at least one of the Founding Fathers was a homo. He probably didn't fancy being hung from a cross by a bunch of fucking scumbags.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:10:07pm |
re: #795 WindUpBird
I am none of those things, and I see the stage attempting to be set. Sorry.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:10:09pm |
re: #842 PT Barnum
Tea Partiers don't do subtledty. They want simple answers to complex questions. Ambiguity frightens them.
I'd blame Reagan, who first perfected the whole simple answers to complex questions meme.
I updinged you, but I don't blame Reagan. I think the right in general has run away with the good bits about Reagan, often distorting them beyond what Reagan himself would like. (Such as the use they're making of his 11th commandment-- a reasonable call for party unity now turned into an excuse for obstructionism and in some cases, defending the indefensible.)
I will say that I think a lot of the current problems arise from the coalition he forged for the GOP with the religious right and the theocon/so-con agenda. Those wingnuts are really angry right now, and the current GOP appears to believe that they need to pander to them.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:10:47pm |
re: #831 Spare O'Lake
Are the Uncle Sam hat and the beard symbols of the far right ?
Nice try, dude. You know exactly the people of which I speak. Their shining images have only been immortalized in this very blog for months.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:10:47pm |
re: #855 PT Barnum
How is cash for clunkers different than Bush giving tax rebates to everyone to try and give a jolt to a lackluster economy?
One program worked. The other - not so much.
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BryanS Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:11:02pm |
re: #856 SanFranciscoZionist
There's a majority favoring an amendment to the Constitution? Link?
There was, unfortunately, here in Wisconsin. Brand new amendment that defines marriage as being between a man and a women. Became part of the state constitution having been passed by the legislature and approved by the voters.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:11:06pm |
re: #852 albusteve
it's an example of a small step...don't freak out
It is a big step, certainly no less than a medium step, but a small step? No way.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:11:10pm |
This may play out in state after state-Once we get past the primaries the Tea Party will likely back the extant Republican, in a show of faux unity, and to really attack the Dem candidate. How far do we take guilt by association on said Republican candidate? Take it in fully and just vote Democrat? Not for me.
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:11:24pm |
re: #846 cliffster
I dunno cliff...seems to me that the people wanting to inflict this on everyone else have already lost their cause, as most younger people just don't give a fuck who sleeps with who.
I am personally for civil unions for everyone and relegating the term marriage to the religious sphere where it truly belongs.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:11:30pm |
re: #835 albusteve
two words
cash for clunkers
I could see you standing up to General Sherman when he was doing "40 acres and a mule" and screaming SOCIALISM!
CfC was a stimulus package more for the auto industry than anything else. Sort of like what we do for defense companies during peace time, only a few orders of magnitude smaller.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:11:57pm |
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:12:36pm |
re: #855 PT Barnum
How is cash for clunkers different than Bush giving tax rebates to everyone to try and give a jolt to a lackluster economy?
The government uses economic incentive to change people's behavior all the time. That behavior is still voluntary, as one does have a choice whether or not to participate.
C for C was a direct redistribution, I could not afford it but had to pay for somebody else that could...clearly unfair as opposed to GB rebates...C for C didn't stimulate anything, a Mickey Mouse affair that sold some cars sooner than later....pandering is more like it
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:13:01pm |
re: #853 stayfrosty
... I'd much rather have someone who supports federalism when it comes to same-sex civil unions than someone who advocates foreign policies that will probably cost American lives. Have I changed or has LGF changed?
I think LGF has changed otherwise I wouldn't be here.
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rwmofo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:13:12pm |
re: #854 Racer X
Socialism is not a concrete philosophy of fixed doctrine and programme; its branches advocate a degree of social interventionism and economic rationalisation (usually in the form of economic planning), but sometimes oppose each other.
A dividing feature of the socialist movement is the split between reformists and revolutionaries on how a socialist economy should be established. Some socialists advocate complete nationalisation of the means of production, distribution, and exchange; others advocate state control of capital within the framework of a market economy.
So I can:
a) Sleep with Joy Behar.
...or:
b) Give Joy Behar all my money.
*Scratching my head.*
Where does Sarah Palin fit in here?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:13:15pm |
re: #870 Rightwingconspirator
This may play out in state after state-Once we get past the primaries the Tea Party will likely back the extant Republican, in a show of faux unity, and to really attack the Dem candidate. How far do we take guilt by association on said Republican candidate? Take it in fully and just vote Democrat? Not for me.
Nor for me. We need to support sane candidates, even if that means supporting the same person as a bunch of teabaggers.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:13:29pm |
re: #827 cliffster
How many states have had a popular vote to amend their constitution to define marriage as such? You and I might not like it, but the idea that marriage should NOT be defined as between a man and a woman is the more radical position.
The radical position is equal rights?
The "popular vote" argument would have preserved institutionalized racism in America. We have a representative democracy. These nasty propositions that feed bigotry and paranoia are not what I call America. We don't all individually vote on every bill that crosses congress, but magically, when it comes to gays, everyone rises as one to make sure a class of people are second class citizens.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:13:37pm |
re: #861 cliffster
No link, just watching the news. Like I asked - how many states have had a popular vote to amend their state constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman?
Currently, thirty I think. Since marriage is actually in the purview of the states, that is where the debate and any constitutional tinkering should take place.
Amending the U.S. Constitution to limit the powers of the states is an extreme and radical move.
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baier Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:13:44pm |
re: #872 freetoken
I could see you standing up to General Sherman when he was doing "40 acres and a mule" and screaming SOCIALISM!
CfC was a stimulus package more for the auto industry than anything else. Sort of like what we do for defense companies during peace time, only a few orders of magnitude smaller.
Much different. We need our defense industry. We don't need our auto industry.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:13:44pm |
re: #853 stayfrosty
Martha Coakley has said there are no terrorists left in Afghanistan...
Here are her exact words:
If the goal was and the mission in Afghanistan was to go in because we believed that the Taliban was giving harbor to terrorists. We supported that. I supported that. They’re gone. They’re not there anymore.
Obviously, she said AL QAEDA was not in Afghanistan any more. And that seems to be true; they've moved their base of operations to other countries, especially Pakistan.
Once again, we're seeing people regurgitate the talking points they've picked up from loon bloggers like Gateway Pundit.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:13:52pm |
re: #859 SanFranciscoZionist
BullSHIT. You're desperate.
how can you know that?....desperate with regard to what?
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:14:04pm |
re: #874 albusteve
C for C was a direct redistribution, I could not afford it but had to pay for somebody else that could...clearly unfair as opposed to GB rebates...C for C didn't stimulate anything, a Mickey Mouse affair that sold some cars sooner than later...pandering is more like it
Hey Hey Hey!
Cash For Clunkers did accomplish one important thing.
It pulled a lot of "Obama" bumper stickers off the road.
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:14:11pm |
re: #862 baier
Only those with means to actually buy a car were able to participate. Sounds like a GOP dream program to me!
I dispute your objection though. Everyone pays taxes for the schools, roads and public safety, but not everyone has a child in school, drives a car, or has to use the police, fire, or ambulance services provided. So what's your point?
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:14:14pm |
re: #871 PT Barnum
I dunno cliff...seems to me that the people wanting to inflict this on everyone else have already lost their cause, as most younger people just don't give a fuck who sleeps with who.
I am personally for civil unions for everyone and relegating the term marriage to the religious sphere where it truly belongs.
That's a nice thought, but why do you say that? Other than wanting to believe it's true, there's nothing to support what you say.
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jvic Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:14:22pm |
re: #865 iceweasel
...I will say that I think a lot of the current problems arise from the coalition he forged for the GOP with the religious right and the theocon/so-con agenda. Those wingnuts are really angry right now, and the current GOP appears to believe that they need to pander to them.
IMO the religious right seized the upper hand in the coalition when the Contract Republicans lost the budget confrontation with Clinton.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:14:23pm |
re: #871 PT Barnum
I dunno cliff...seems to me that the people wanting to inflict this on everyone else have already lost their cause, as most younger people just don't give a fuck who sleeps with who.
I am personally for civil unions for everyone and relegating the term marriage to the religious sphere where it truly belongs.
Basically, my generation needs to be in their 50's, and then we'll have gay marriage. :)
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mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:14:32pm |
re: #810 SanFranciscoZionist
Demanding that we amend the Constitution in case that ever changes, is.
So do you favor the current situation where each State defines it? I'm thinking this situation is eventually going to become chaotic and require some kind of nationally recognized definition and that is going to take a Constitutional amendment. And I doubt there will be the numbers in either house of congress to propose (2/3), or in the states to ratify (3/4) an amendment providing for gay marriage. Not even close. The best hope for the people promotiong gay marriage is that the courts will make it a civil rights issue and just grab the power from the States. Lots of precedence for that sort of thing.
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barflytom Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:14:39pm |
re: #818 Charles
There are a lot of things the founding fathers didn't foresee. They didn't have microwave ovens, for example. Maybe we should have a constitutional amendment banning those too?
Well come to think of it, microwaves are a bit "gay". I would prefer that the womenfolk did the cooking over an open fire while the lads swapped hunting stories !
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:14:43pm |
re: #803 SanFranciscoZionist
To the best of my knowledge, neither has Coakley. Can we agree that the two candidates are even on that score?
Ask the Amiraults...or the baby who was raped, and the PARENTS had to file a criminal complaint, because Martha refused to, until AFTER the parents did it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:14:55pm |
re: #863 Boogberg
There were homosexuals back then, too. I bet at least one of the Founding Fathers was a homo. He probably didn't fancy being hung from a cross by a bunch of fucking scumbags.
Fifty-six signers of the Declaration--that's statistically five and a half gay guys.
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Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:15:00pm |
re: #876 rwmofo
So I can:
a) Sleep with Joy Behar.
...or:
b) Give Joy Behar all my money.
*Scratching my head.*
Where does Sarah Palin fit in here?
Thats not quite the threesome I've been fantasizing about.
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baier Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:15:14pm |
re: #884 PT Barnum
Only those with means to actually buy a car were able to participate. Sounds like a GOP dream program to me!
I dispute your objection though. Everyone pays taxes for the schools, roads and public safety, but not everyone has a child in school, drives a car, or has to use the police, fire, or ambulance services provided. So what's your point?
Schools, roads, police and fire are much different then "everyone gets a Ford Festiva".
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funky chicken Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:15:54pm |
re: #823 Charles
Apparently, you haven't been paying attention as the tea party groups and social conservative groups have glommed onto Scott Brown en masse.
Most of the hotair crowd is all excited about him too, and it is really funny to read their comments trying to justify their support for the "dirty RINO"....but just this time, etc and etc.
It's a sad fact that the fundamentalist nutters are very vocal and passionate, and that they try to muscle into everything in the GOP so they can make it look like they are the driving force of the party. I just don't think the lunatics were involved in getting Brown's campaign started, and I don't see much evidence that he has groveled to them or begged for their help. Hopefully that means he won't feel beholden to them if he wins.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:16:07pm |
re: #868 BryanS
There was, unfortunately, here in Wisconsin. Brand new amendment that defines marriage as being between a man and a women. Became part of the state constitution having been passed by the legislature and approved by the voters.
State. STATE!
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:16:44pm |
re: #878 WindUpBird
The radical position is equal rights?
The "popular vote" argument would have preserved institutionalized racism in America. We have a representative democracy. These nasty propositions that feed bigotry and paranoia are not what I call America. We don't all individually vote on every bill that crosses congress, but magically, when it comes to gays, everyone rises as one to make sure a class of people are second class citizens.
Apparently, you are incapable of following a conversation.
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BryanS Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:16:46pm |
re: #884 PT Barnum
Only those with means to actually buy a car were able to participate. Sounds like a GOP dream program to me!
I dispute your objection though. Everyone pays taxes for the schools, roads and public safety, but not everyone has a child in school, drives a car, or has to use the police, fire, or ambulance services provided. So what's your point?
Arguably, the cash for clunkers program was not only a poorly run government program, but only accelerated purchases people already would have made. So it did not increase economic activity in any way; it just took from future sales.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:16:54pm |
re: #849 HoosierHoops
Dirk played large tonight..Such a step back pure shooter..He's a big boy...His shoulders are just huge...
He has 'it'. the shooters touch. Can't teach it, can't invent it, can't do it if you ain't got it. How many practices, how many coaches, how much frustration from endless working for naught has Shaq experienced.
I played with a guy like that. Pure form. born with 'it'. A thing of beauty. Me, I shot like Dennis Rodman. Or maybe more like a girl.
*runs away*
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lostlakehiker Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:17:01pm |
re: #158 Varek Raith
Equality is not a 'far-left position'.
Abolition was a far-left position until it gained adherents enough to prevail. Prohibition was a far-right position for a while, then it became mainstream, and then it resumed its far-right status.
Whether or not gay marriage is equality, and whether or not it's just, its political standing as far-right, far-left, or somewhere between those on the spectrum of political opinion has nothing to do with its merits. It has only to do with what fraction of the voters approve of it, and which side of the spectrum they tend to come from.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:17:56pm |
re: #897 cliffster
Apparently, you are incapable of following a conversation.
Following it just fine.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:18:14pm |
re: #875 Olsonist
I think LGF has changed otherwise I wouldn't be here.
The commentariat has changed, but I don't believe that Charles has. Some people on the right who loved him when he called out idiotarianism on the left are butthurt now when he does it to the right. And lots of folks made assumptions about all his views based on just a few (e.g., strong foreign policy, defence, etc).
There are probably lefties reading LGF now who will no doubt be furious the next time CJ calls out idiotarianism on the left, or who likewise assume he holds other positions he does not in fact hold solely based on what he says about Palin or Beck, for that matter. (Not that you're one of them!)
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:18:19pm |
re: #880 baier
I would disagree...the loss of our manufacturing sector will eventually come back to haunt us as we lose the capability to make things and are reduced to having to ask other countries to make things for us. It's already happening, but I for one hope we can reverse the trend at some point.
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mich-again Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:18:19pm |
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:18:51pm |
re: #887 WindUpBird
Basically, my generation needs to be in their 50's, and then we'll have gay marriage. :)
I'm in favor of civil unions for anybody...two, three...up to say, five...marriages can be dealt with in church however they decide...gay or not means nothing to me...it's a legal contract, just business
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:19:22pm |
re: #872 freetoken
I could see you standing up to General Sherman when he was doing "40 acres and a mule" and screaming SOCIALISM!
blockquote>
Nah, I'd yell "LIAR!" Most people promised that never got it. On a related note, I'm still waiting for my new home buyer incentive money.
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:19:27pm |
re: #879 SanFranciscoZionist
Currently, thirty I think. Since marriage is actually in the purview of the states, that is where the debate and any constitutional tinkering should take place.
Amending the U.S. Constitution to limit the powers of the states is an extreme and radical move.
You are much smarter than most people are. Yes, you are right about the quantum difference between amending the state and federal constitution. However, that's not true for most. Like I said, there are more people than not who think that marriage between same-sex's should be banned. It's by definition not a far-right idea.
| 908 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:19:36pm |
re: #905 albusteve
I'm in favor of civil unions for anybody...two, three...up to say, five...marriages can be dealt with in church however they decide...gay or not means nothing to me...it's a legal contract, just business
sounds good to me! It'd be political suicide for anyone to advocate removing the term "marriage" from the legal contract, though.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:20:01pm |
re: #902 iceweasel
The commentariat has changed, but I don't believe that Charles has. Some people on the right who loved him when he called out idiotarianism on the left are butthurt now when he does it to the right. And lots of folks made assumptions about all his views based on just a few (e.g., strong foreign policy, defence, etc).
There are probably lefties reading LGF now who will no doubt be furious the next time CJ calls out idiotarianism on the left, or who likewise assume he holds other positions he does not in fact hold solely based on what he says about Palin or Beck, for that matter. (Not that you're one of them!)
And its worth repeating that Martha Coakley is also an idiotarian.
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rwmofo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:20:23pm |
re: #877 Dark_Falcon
Nor for me. We need to support sane candidates, even if that means supporting the same person as a bunch of teabaggers.
Really. What are we supposed to do? Try to get them to leave and ask them to not vote for the Republican candidate?
As if the left has a bunch of well-mannered respectable individuals. OK, I realize MSNBC hosts don't fit into this category.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:20:33pm |
re: #890 CapeCoddah
Ask the Amiraults...or the baby who was raped, and the PARENTS had to file a criminal complaint, because Martha refused to, until AFTER the parents did it.
That's right. Attack me. I'm the enemy. I said something nice about Martha--OH WAIT, I DIDN'T. I just said she hadn't drowned anyone. Talk about damning with faint praise!
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:20:48pm |
re: #899 The Shadow Do
Dennis Rodman absofuckinglutely should be in the Hall of Fame. And an insane asylum. And probably jail. But that guy could rebound and play D. The thought that Barkley is in and Worm isn't makes a mockery of the institution.
| 913 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:20:50pm |
The morning began quietly here in Kabul, but a text message broke through saying "Afghan Security Forces engaged in central city". Then there were sirens. Reports came in that a suicide bomber had been stopped short of his goal and had detonated himself on the steps of a government ministry.
The truth comes more slowly. This was a skillful and coordinated attack into the heart of Afghanistan's capital city by "Anti-Government Forces" meaning it could be the Taliban or it could be Al Qaeda. The distinction seems important the farther away you are from the mayhem, but the Taliban here took credit and announced that 20 suicide bombers were loose in the city.
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CapeCoddah Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:20:53pm |
re: #881 Charles
Obviously, she said AL QAEDA was not in Afghanistan any more. And that seems to be true; they've moved their base of operations to other countries, especially Pakistan.
Once again, we're seeing people regurgitate the talking points they've picked up from loon bloggers like Gateway Pundit.
I watched the debate live. She said the terrorists were gone from Afghanistan. She looked and sounded like a complete fool. She never uttered the words Al Quada....she said Taliban is gone from Afghanistan.
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:20:55pm |
re: #885 cliffster
[Link: pewforum.org...]
The money quote:
Age is another demographic characteristic that affects attitudes on this issue. Opposition to gay marriage is most pronounced among older Americans, with more than two-thirds (67%) of those age 65 and older opposed to legalizing same-sex marriage. On the other hand, roughly half of all adults under age 30 (49%) favor allowing gay and lesbian couples to wed.
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AmeriDan Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:21:12pm |
re: #32 Charles
He opposes stem cell research,
Do you think he would actually try to block stem cell reseach, or does he merely oppose federal funding?
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BryanS Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:21:35pm |
re: #896 SanFranciscoZionist
State. STATE!
I agree with your point in general that states should be granted more control to run their own internal affairs--generally. Equal protection of the law, though, is a federal issue. This will end up one day in the federal courts regardless of whether anybody wants it to. Social security and the tax code are based on marriage. It's kind of hard to argue there's no fed angle to the issue.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:21:42pm |
re: #838 SanFranciscoZionist
Only if made from tin-foil.
Sorry, but I cannot ferret out the meaning of your reply, particularly as it relates to beards. In fact, I do not recall ever having seen a tin-foil beard.
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Digital Display Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:21:51pm |
re: #899 The Shadow Do
He has 'it'. the shooters touch. Can't teach it, can't invent it, can't do it if you ain't got it. How many practices, how many coaches, how much frustration from endless working for naught has Shaq experienced.
I played with a guy like that. Pure form. born with 'it'. A thing of beauty. Me, I shot like Dennis Rodman. Or maybe more like a girl.
*runs away*
Pure shooters are a thing of beauty...Watching Kobe..Top 5 players of all time..This is why I stay up late on a work night..To watch West Coast Basketball
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recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:21:56pm |
re: #907 cliffster
You are much smarter than most people are. Yes, you are right about the quantum difference between amending the state and federal constitution. However, that's not true for most. Like I said, there are more people than not who think that marriage between same-sex's should be banned. It's by definition not a far-right idea.
Show me poll where a majority believe there should be a federal constitutional amendment to ban it.
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baier Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:21:57pm |
re: #903 PT Barnum
I would disagree...the loss of our manufacturing sector will eventually come back to haunt us as we lose the capability to make things and are reduced to having to ask other countries to make things for us. It's already happening, but I for one hope we can reverse the trend at some point.
Why do you wan to reverse the trend?
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:22:49pm |
re: #902 iceweasel
There are probably lefties reading LGF now who will no doubt be furious the next time CJ calls out idiotarianism on the left,
Speaking of which - interesting post on Harry's Place today about Chomsky and his defences of Pol Pot's regime:
Malcolm Caldwell, Noam Chomsky and the Cambodian Genocide
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:23:15pm |
re: #907 cliffster
You are much smarter than most people are. Yes, you are right about the quantum difference between amending the state and federal constitution. However, that's not true for most. Like I said, there are more people than not who think that marriage between same-sex's should be banned. It's by definition not a far-right idea.
actually, it completely depends on how the poll question is worded. If it is worded in terms of the facts of marriage, the number opposing it is much smaller than if the word marriage is pounded into the question, giving it a cultural spin.
I still contend that when the question is framed in terms of rights and not of culture and charged religious language, those people who still believe that there should be a class of citizens who are relegated to sub-status, they are far-right.
You're looking at the GOP-framed wedge issue window dressing. I'm looking at the actual components of what equal rights would mean.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:23:57pm |
re: #912 Olsonist
Dennis Rodman absofuckinglutely should be in the Hall of Fame. And an insane asylum. And probably jail. But that guy could rebound and play D. The thought that Barkley is in and Worm isn't makes a mockery of the institution.
This is one sports issue I have an opinion on! I loved Rodman. He was amazing.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:24:13pm |
re: #908 WindUpBird
sounds good to me! It'd be political suicide for anyone to advocate removing the term "marriage" from the legal contract, though.
we have moved on from Leave it to Beaver...something has to give
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windsagio Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:24:47pm |
re: #902 iceweasel
To be fair, it really has changed. The mindbending shock that came out of 9/11, put people out of their normal head-spaces. As people returned to normal, and the issues shifted away from the focus on 'islamism', both the blog and the community have started to change.
(got a bunch of new games on Steam the other day, thats why I haven't been harassing people like normal :p)
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:24:54pm |
re: #886 jvic
IMO the religious right seized the upper hand in the coalition when the Contract Republicans lost the budget confrontation with Clinton.
I think that might be right. It was under Clinton that we started to see many dogwhistle appeals to mobilise the religious right-- often about gay marriage or 'teh ghey'.
But those wingnuts were around and wielding power before that-- Operation Rescue, the Moral Majority, etc. I think that might have been when the GOP started really leaning on their support. They've been angry all along because although they faithfully (heh) turned out in every election, even when their candidates won (such as W, who they really thought had to be one of their own), they never got any of the 'big ticket' items they longed for. Roe v Wade, for example.
And they're angry now and the demographics show this is their last chance. The tide is against them. Even younger evangelicals aren't afraid of teh ghey in the way their parents were (and are).
Consequently, we'll see a very nasty battle. Last gasps of the old culture warriors.
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:25:26pm |
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:25:56pm |
re: #921 baier
Because if we don't make things we will eventually forget how. To me it's a matter of national security that we not completely outsource our ability to make things. What happens when we need something and can't get anyone to make it for us and no longer have the know how to do it ourselves?
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recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:26:34pm |
If you believe that there should be a constitutional amendment to prevent gay marriage you are a bigot, plain and simple. Maybe being against gay marriage is currently a socially acceptable form of bigotry but it's bigotry none the less.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:26:53pm |
re: #928 iceweasel
Absolutley right. They were taking out all those IOU's from the socons, and now that the writing is on the wall, they're all coming due.
(throw enough metaphors at something, and part of it must stick!)
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:27:34pm |
re: #912 Olsonist
Dennis Rodman absofuckinglutely should be in the Hall of Fame. And an insane asylum. And probably jail. But that guy could rebound and play D. The thought that Barkley is in and Worm isn't makes a mockery of the institution.
The Worm played/plays a whole 'nother game. The hall may need a wing reserved for oddities like Dennis and maybe Spud Webb.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:27:41pm |
re: #924 WindUpBird
This is one sports issue I have an opinion on! I loved Rodman. He was amazing.
I remember Rodman's Big Game....34pts, like 18 rebounds, and double digit assits...he even hit a three or two...that game was one for the books, look it up
| 935 |
Mr. Crankypants Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:28:01pm |
well it's been more fun than usual, but I must hit the hay..'night all..
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generalsparky Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:28:13pm |
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:28:18pm |
re: #881 Charles
Obviously, she said AL QAEDA was not in Afghanistan any more. And that seems to be true; they've moved their base of operations to other countries, especially Pakistan.
That's true. Pakistan (especially the rural areas) is an Islamist's paradise. Bin Ladin is a hero there.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:28:56pm |
re: #676 Bagua
Oops, my #676 was miss-formatted, sorry, here it is correctly.
re: #565 PT Barnum
The interesting thing is that most liberals can't understand why Obama bothered to try to work with the GOP at all, since it appeared that the GOP was more interested in preventing any kind of success rather than trying to actually get anything done.
Yes, and they [the voters] have had enough with the dishonest framing of ‘Republicans are the party of NO’ and forget about the liberals anyway, they understand little in the best of time. The ones turning on Obama are the Independents and the conservative Democrats. They got tricked and are now on to it.
I think part of the problem is that the whole thing was framed incorrectly. The whole thing should have been sold as health insurance reform instead of health care reform. We all like our health care, but I don't know anybody who really likes dealing with their insurance company or that thinks that insurance companies are really on the side of the consumer.
The propaganda message and anti corporate rabble-rousing of the Obama administration has already contributed to alienating enough of the population, more twist and spin was not needed, rather, honesty.
He took perfectly good populist rage and squandered it on trying to get Congress to act like adults instead of a bunch of squabbling school children.
Agreed, Obama is a busted flush. Watch him fade into lame duck status.
Addendum:
(And I note: even with the sniping on this thread this comment was one of the most downdinged. Hilarious, the "butthurt" of the liberals will be a joy to behold should the 41st senator be elected tomorrow and next November is going to be a riot.)
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:29:45pm |
re: #919 HoosierHoops
Pure shooters are a thing of beauty...Watching Kobe..Top 5 players of all time..This is why I stay up late on a work night..To watch West Coast Basketball
Me too. Guilty. It's in the Indiana water, I'm purt shur.
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:29:45pm |
re: #933 The Shadow Do
Spud Webb was an oddity. Worm wears rings, five of them from two teams.
* 5x NBA Champion (1989, 1990, 1996, 1997, 1998)
* 2x All-Star (1990, 1992)
* 2x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1990, 1991)
* 7x NBA All-Defensive First Team Selection
* 7x NBA Rebounding Champion (1992–1998)
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:29:51pm |
re: #914 CapeCoddah
I watched the debate live. She said the terrorists were gone from Afghanistan. She looked and sounded like a complete fool. She never uttered the words Al Quada...she said Taliban is gone from Afghanistan.
I just quoted her exact words. She did not say the Taliban is gone from Afghanistan. She said the Taliban were harboring terrorists, and now they're gone.
I can't believe how popular this kind of distortion is becoming on the right. It's disturbing and dishonest to twist someone's words so obviously.
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windsagio Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:30:12pm |
re: #936 generalsparky
I finally got Dawn of war II (mad fun) and Osmos (mad fun, but stupidly hard)
Both are worth getting tho! Unfortunatly, posting on LGF takes laserlike focus... you simply can't do both :P
Anyhoo, gotta head to work, and let wubby off. Just wanted to say hi to y'all, and say at least SOMETHING of some meaning tonight :)
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:30:20pm |
re: #922 Jimmah
Speaking of which - interesting post on Harry's Place today about Chomsky and his defences of Pol Pot's regime:
Malcolm Caldwell, Noam Chomsky and the Cambodian Genocide
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
Good catch, Jimmah. Pol Pot was as bad as monsters get. Anyone who defends a monster like that is garbage.
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baier Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:30:40pm |
re: #930 PT Barnum
Because if we don't make things we will eventually forget how. To me it's a matter of national security that we not completely outsource our ability to make things. What happens when we need something and can't get anyone to make it for us and no longer have the know how to do it ourselves?
We do make things. Honda, Toyota, and other cars are made right here in the US. I don't see why it's a matter of national security that we prop up manufacturing firms that make expensive, inferior products that cannot compete in the open market. There is nothing smart about that.
I understand what you are trying to say, but the inefficiency of supporting such monumental failures surely outweighs any possible benefit. Personally, I'd rather just pay the car workers a salary to do nothing because that would be more economical.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:31:01pm |
re: #927 windsagio
To be fair, it really has changed. The mindbending shock that came out of 9/11, put people out of their normal head-spaces. As people returned to normal, and the issues shifted away from the focus on 'islamism', both the blog and the community have started to change.
(got a bunch of new games on Steam the other day, thats why I haven't been harassing people like normal :p)
Welcome back! :-)
the community has changed a lot even in the short time I've been here. As for 9-11, I'd say that the entire country (including the left, oh yeah!) kind of collectively lost its mind for a bit.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:31:17pm |
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Kiernan Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:31:34pm |
Look Martha, or as Ted Kennedy's son Pat repeatedly referred to her "Marcia
Coakley" is an elitist, out-of-touch, loser, who will lose the election tomorrow.
The fact that some right wingers hop on Scott Brown's bandwagon is not surprising. But it really has nothing to do with why Brown will win, or Coakley will lose.
Democrats out number Republicans, I believe, 3 to 1 in Massachusetts.
So it is independents that will send Brown to Washington, if he wins.
Or not.
I just resent people that don't live here telling me about an election that
I already know all about. It is Coakley, as her polls went south, that has unleashed millions of dollars in negative ads.
Brown, rightly, has resisted having the tea party people glom onto his campaign, as he smartly knows this would work against him.
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:31:40pm |
Tre: #914 CapeCoddah
I watched the debate live. She said the terrorists were gone from Afghanistan. She looked and sounded like a complete fool. She never uttered the words Al Quada...she said Taliban is gone from Afghanistan.
She's wrong again then. The Taliban is claiming the attacks of this morning and last night.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:31:47pm |
re: #934 albusteve
I remember Rodman's Big Game...34pts, like 18 rebounds, and double digit assits...he even hit a three or two...that game was one for the books, look it up
Smokin' some good shit that night for sure!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:32:34pm |
re: #929 Varek Raith
Night!
If you're in Mass, don't forget to vote!...or else...;)
///:)
Looks like a Battlemech called a Phoenix Hawk. Not surprising, given that the P. Hawk's original artwork was taken from anime.
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:33:30pm |
If you want to believe that things are going to just naturally get better with regards to gay rights, then knock yourself out. But they will not. State constitutions have been amended to ban gay marriage, and they have been amended because the majority of people feel that gay marriage should be banned. And it's not a generational thing. Young people get older, and as they get older, they start to take on those values they thought they would not. In addition, minorities, especially Hispanics, are more strongly against gay marriage. And those demographics are getting larger, again especially the Hispanics.
You can simply chalk it up to far-right bigotry. That might make you feel better, but it won't change anything.
| 952 |
The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:33:31pm |
re: #940 Olsonist
Spud Webb was an oddity. Worm wears rings, five of them from two teams.
* 5x NBA Champion (1989, 1990, 1996, 1997, 1998)
* 2x All-Star (1990, 1992)
* 2x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1990, 1991)
* 7x NBA All-Defensive First Team Selection
* 7x NBA Rebounding Champion (1992–1998)
OK, Spud's out...
| 953 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:34:35pm |
re: #866 WindUpBird
Nice try, dude. You know exactly the people of which I speak. Their shining images have only been immortalized in this very blog for months.
I know who you meant; it's just that your string of invective contained a couple of questionable symbols which I found interesting.
| 954 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:35:14pm |
re: #951 cliffster
And a majority of Americans once believed black people were less human than whites. There's a reason why we don't have majority rule in this country.
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:36:25pm |
re: #951 cliffster
Hispanics are mostly Catholic. No surprise about their stance.
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BryanS Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:36:46pm |
re: #951 cliffster
If you want to believe that things are going to just naturally get better with regards to gay rights, then knock yourself out. But they will not. State constitutions have been amended to ban gay marriage, and they have been amended because the majority of people feel that gay marriage should be banned. And it's not a generational thing. Young people get older, and as they get older, they start to take on those values they thought they would not. In addition, minorities, especially Hispanics, are more strongly against gay marriage. And those demographics are getting larger, again especially the Hispanics.
You can simply chalk it up to far-right bigotry. That might make you feel better, but it won't change anything.
About some things, perhaps. But I doubt that is likely to be the case for the opinion of gay marriage. Mostly those views that change with age tend to deal with personal economic issues, and even then views do not change as much as people think. The overwhelming majority of individuals keep their political orientation their whole lives--this is something that's been studied and well documented (recalling a presentation I saw from a Poli Sci researcher at UW Madison).
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albusteve Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:36:58pm |
re: #949 The Shadow Do
Smokin' some good shit that night for sure!
he was on fire...they fed him the ball!...dunking, little jumpers etc...his quickness and timing made him an excellent rebounder rather that crashing the boards with muscle...he learned a lot about angles from Laimbeer
| 958 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:37:07pm |
re: #947 Kiernan
I just resent people that don't live here telling me about an election that I already know all about.
Watching television or reading any newspaper in the country must be sheer misery for you then.
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jvic Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:37:35pm |
re: #928 iceweasel
...It was under Clinton that we started to see many dogwhistle appeals to mobilise the religious right-- often about gay marriage or 'teh ghey'.
But those wingnuts were around and wielding power before that-- Operation Rescue, the Moral Majority, etc. I think that might have been when the GOP started really leaning on their support. They've been angry all along because although they faithfully (heh) turned out in every election, even when their candidates won (such as W, who they really thought had to be one of their own), they never got any of the 'big ticket' items they longed for. Roe v Wade, for example.
An evangelical acquaintance, whom I haven't seen in a couple of years, claims that American Christians got into politics defensively because the secular state was impinging on their religious freedom.
That might be part of the story but IMO it's clearly not the whole story.
It's also beside the point now that the culture-war armies are fully mobilized and in the trenches.
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Palmer_Eldritch Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:37:49pm |
Check out this exchange from last year:
BROWN: Barack’s mom had him when she was what, 18 years old?
GUEST: And married!
BROWN: Well, I don’t know about that. [laughing]
[Link: www.bluemassgroup.com...]
Seems like a nice guy...
| 961 |
recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:37:50pm |
| 962 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:38:00pm |
re: #943 Dark_Falcon
Good catch, Jimmah. Pol Pot was as bad as monsters get. Anyone who defends a monster like that is garbage.
Isn't it disturbing though when someone of Chomsky's undeniable intellect goes so atrociously off the political rails like that?
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:38:37pm |
re: #954 Charles
And a majority of Americans once believed black people were less human than whites. There's a reason why we don't have majority rule in this country.
Who is MLK for the gay American? Blacks have had people fighting for them tooth and nail for over a century. Do you really think we have people fighting like that for gays?
| 964 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:39:02pm |
re: #927 windsagio
To be fair, it really has changed. The mindbending shock that came out of 9/11, put people out of their normal head-spaces. As people returned to normal, and the issues shifted away from the focus on 'islamism', both the blog and the community have started to change.
(got a bunch of new games on Steam the other day, thats why I haven't been harassing people like normal :p)
Did you get Dawn of War 2? :D
| 965 |
SpaceJesus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:39:05pm |
re: #951 cliffster
If you want to believe that things are going to just naturally get better with regards to gay rights, then knock yourself out. But they will not. State constitutions have been amended to ban gay marriage, and they have been amended because the majority of people feel that gay marriage should be banned. And it's not a generational thing. Young people get older, and as they get older, they start to take on those values they thought they would not. In addition, minorities, especially Hispanics, are more strongly against gay marriage. And those demographics are getting larger, again especially the Hispanics.
You can simply chalk it up to far-right bigotry. That might make you feel better, but it won't change anything.
I'd like to see the look on your face in 25 years
| 966 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:39:23pm |
re: #960 Palmer_Eldritch
Has that little chuckle not been done to death already?
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Silvergirl Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:39:25pm |
re: #947 Kiernan
Look Martha, or as Ted Kennedy's son Pat repeatedly referred to her "Marcia
Coakley" is an elitist, out-of-touch, loser, who will lose the election tomorrow.
The fact that some right wingers hop on Scott Brown's bandwagon is not surprising. But it really has nothing to do with why Brown will win, or Coakley will lose.Democrats out number Republicans, I believe, 3 to 1 in Massachusetts.
So it is independents that will send Brown to Washington, if he wins.
Or not.
I just resent people that don't live here telling me about an election that
I already know all about. It is Coakley, as her polls went south, that has unleashed millions of dollars in negative ads.Brown, rightly, has resisted having the tea party people glom onto his campaign, as he smartly knows this would work against him.
Upding for knowing it's the independents who will send Brown to Washington, if he's going.
Not an upding for the elitist loser labeling, though you apparently live in MA and I don't. If I were to name her downfall, it would be an arrogant assumption that she was waltzing into position.
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:40:00pm |
re: #927 windsagio
To be fair, it really has changed. The mindbending shock that came out of 9/11, put people out of their normal head-spaces. As people returned to normal, and the issues shifted away from the focus on 'islamism', both the blog and the community have started to change.
Very well put.
| 969 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:40:00pm |
re: #965 SpaceJesus
I'd like to see the look on your face in 25 years
Why? Are you assuming that I think that the situation I described is a good one?
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webevintage Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:40:16pm |
re: #951 cliffster
Young people get older, and as they get older, they start to take on those values they thought they would not.
I'm not sure that as my son's generation gets older they will become more conservatives, some will since that is just the way life is, but the majority of this generation (16-21ish) just don't give a shit if someone is gay.
They don't care who marries who.
They know people who are gay, they see people who are gay on tv and they no longer see it as shocking or shameful or wrong.
| 971 |
The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:40:17pm |
re: #947 Kiernan
I just resent people that don't live here telling me about an election that
I already know all about.
There's this thing, I think it might be called the 'intertrons'. You're on it.
One's geographical locale is not necessarily the best gauge of how well, or poorly, informed someone is on a particular issue.
| 972 |
SpaceJesus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:40:25pm |
re: #962 Jimmah
Isn't it disturbing though when someone of Chomsky's undeniable intellect goes so atrociously off the political rails like that?
mhm. just because someone is great in a particular area (ie linguistics) doesn't mean they're qualified to discuss everything else (ie history).
| 973 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:41:00pm |
re: #963 cliffster
Who is MLK for the gay American? Blacks have had people fighting for them tooth and nail for over a century. Do you really think we have people fighting like that for gays?
Obama mentioned yesterday in his MLK speech that blacks should join with gays in advancing human rights. I agree. There's nothing worse than being on the wrong side of history.
| 974 |
generalsparky Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:41:10pm |
re: #942 windsagio
LOL! Totally understand.
I only play Plants vs Zombies. Anything more complicated and I am bored or have kids interrupting me every 2 minutes. We bought a lot of Steam games around Christmas because they were running so many specials. The kids are having a blast with the Pop Cap games package.
My husband plays a lot of LFD2. Not really my thing although I used to really like playing UT online when we first got married. Having kids has turned me into an old fuddy-duddy ;-)
| 975 |
recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:41:22pm |
re: #969 cliffster
Why? Are you assuming that I think that the situation I described is a good one?
Do you? Are you for gay marriage?
| 976 |
The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:41:27pm |
Gay marriage will come to be. I'm sure of that though some hardcore righty pols will be there to the last where their constituency insists. The rest will change or be gone - in time. And I doubt it will be long. Things change, profound I know. I have done a 180 on this one personally, I expect others to do so as well.
| 977 |
Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:41:31pm |
re: #941 Charles
I just quoted her exact words. She did not say the Taliban is gone from Afghanistan. She said the Taliban were harboring terrorists, and now they're gone.
I can't believe how popular this kind of distortion is becoming on the right. It's disturbing and dishonest to twist someone's words so obviously.
It does not matter whether she meant/said AQ, Taliban, or terrorists. They are all still there, all still pose a danger, and are recruiting again. AQ left for a while but slipped back in while we had our priorities in Iraq.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:41:42pm |
re: #962 Jimmah
Isn't it disturbing though when someone of Chomsky's undeniable intellect goes so atrociously off the political rails like that?
Really disgusting. And he's still defending those positions today.
| 979 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:42:15pm |
re: #963 cliffster
Who is MLK for the gay American? Blacks have had people fighting for them tooth and nail for over a century. Do you really think we have people fighting like that for gays?
We have organizations. Like GLAAD and GLSEN. And they get smeared by the GOP, re: Fistgate. It's been on this very blog, in fact. Do we need one charismatic leader for you to take us seriously?
Wasn't too long ago that being gay automatically meant you were a government security risk.
| 980 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:42:43pm |
re: #973 Killgore Trout
Obama mentioned yesterday in his MLK speech that blacks should join with gays in advancing human rights
Any sign of that actually happening?
| 981 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:42:44pm |
re: #951 cliffster
If you want to believe that things are going to just naturally get better with regards to gay rights, then knock yourself out. But they will not. State constitutions have been amended to ban gay marriage, and they have been amended because the majority of people feel that gay marriage should be banned. And it's not a generational thing. Young people get older, and as they get older, they start to take on those values they thought they would not. In addition, minorities, especially Hispanics, are more strongly against gay marriage. And those demographics are getting larger, again especially the Hispanics.
You can simply chalk it up to far-right bigotry. That might make you feel better, but it won't change anything.
Same-sex marriage will be legal throughout the United States in my lifetime, if I make it to ripe old age.
And yes, it is bigotry that we will have to overcome to get there.
| 982 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:43:11pm |
re: #962 Jimmah
Isn't it disturbing though when someone of Chomsky's undeniable intellect goes so atrociously off the political rails like that?
Sadly, no. Chomsky's been off the rails politically for so long that more finding of his insanity are merely sad, not disturbing. I've seen smart people go nuts too often this past year to be disturbed by it anymore. I'm out of tears.
| 983 |
SpaceJesus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:43:20pm |
re: #969 cliffster
Why? Are you assuming that I think that the situation I described is a good one?
nope. it's because your prediction is going to proven completely wrong when either the majority of states recognize gay marriage, or the SC finds it unconstitutional for states to make it illegal, going off of lawrence v. texas.
| 984 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:43:59pm |
re: #983 SpaceJesus
nope. it's because your prediction is going to proven completely wrong when either the majority of states recognize gay marriage, or the SC finds it unconstitutional for states to make it illegal, going off of lawrence v. texas.
Perhaps you're right.
| 985 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:44:02pm |
re: #979 WindUpBird
We have organizations. Like GLAAD and GLSEN. And they get smeared by the GOP, re: Fistgate. It's been on this very blog, in fact. Do we need one charismatic leader for you to take us seriously?
Wasn't too long ago that being gay automatically meant you were a government security risk.
Don't worry about it too much. Very few people under 60 are freaked out by gays. In 20 years or so it won't even be a controversial topic.
| 986 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:45:28pm |
re: #951 cliffster
If you want to believe that things are going to just naturally get better with regards to gay rights, then knock yourself out. But they will not. State constitutions have been amended to ban gay marriage, and they have been amended because the majority of people feel that gay marriage should be banned. And it's not a generational thing. Young people get older, and as they get older, they start to take on those values they thought they would not. In addition, minorities, especially Hispanics, are more strongly against gay marriage. And those demographics are getting larger, again especially the Hispanics.
You can simply chalk it up to far-right bigotry. That might make you feel better, but it won't change anything.
State constitutions will be overruled by the federal constitution. it's only a matter of time. The bigots will lose, equal rights will win. There will be no amendment to the federal constitution banning gay marriage. The hurdle is too high. Whereas the hurdle for amending state constitutions is ridiculously low. Proves nothing.
It is absolutely a generation thing. You are deluded if you think my generation will become bigoted as they get older. You could not be more incorrect.
| 987 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:46:18pm |
re: #980 Bagua
Any sign of that actually happening?
In the progressive community as a whole accepts gay right pretty much universally. Within the black community it's a tougher sell but I'm not really in touch these days.
| 988 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:46:27pm |
re: #985 Killgore Trout
Don't worry about it too much. Very few people under 60 are freaked out by gays. In 20 years or so it won't even be a controversial topic.
I'm really not, I'm pretty sure I'll see it before I hit retirement.
| 989 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:46:50pm |
re: #973 Killgore Trout
Obama mentioned yesterday in his MLK speech that blacks should join with gays in advancing human rights. I agree. There's nothing worse than being on the wrong side of history.
True. And have they started doing so?
| 990 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:48:07pm |
re: #970 webevintage
I'm not sure that as my son's generation gets older they will become more conservatives, some will since that is just the way life is, but the majority of this generation (16-21ish) just don't give a shit if someone is gay.
They don't care who marries who.
They know people who are gay, they see people who are gay on tv and they no longer see it as shocking or shameful or wrong.
I can see my generation becoming more fiscally conservative as they earn more money, pay more taxes, and settle down.
But they won't suddenly go "you know, when i was in college, i was for equal rights, but now, I'm suddenly against it!"
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:48:12pm |
re: #941 Charles
I just quoted her exact words. She did not say the Taliban is gone from Afghanistan. She said the Taliban were harboring terrorists, and now they're gone.
I can't believe how popular this kind of distortion is becoming on the right. It's disturbing and dishonest to twist someone's words so obviously.
For starters, perhaps politicians could take more care to express themselves more clearly and unambiguously.
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recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:48:14pm |
re: #989 cliffster
True. And have they started doing so?
Yup. At least the young ones. It really is generational even across different cultural groups and races.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:49:44pm |
re: #989 cliffster
True. And have they started doing so?
The younger ones, yes. You know there's a couple of crossdressing hip-hop stars, right? Black people are not some monolithic homophobic entity. There are conservative black people and liberal black people. They all tend to vote Democrat, but that doesn't mean they're all liberal, just that they don't trust Republicans.
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sagehen Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:49:47pm |
re: #827 cliffster
How many states have had a popular vote to amend their constitution to define marriage as such? You and I might not like it, but the idea that marriage should NOT be defined as between a man and a woman is the more radical position.
The idea that marriage should be constitutionally defined at all, in any way shape or form, is pretty radical.
We managed without our governing documents even mentioning it, for more than 200 years and in all 50 states; there were laws (regular laws, not constitutional requirements) that have changed repeatedly as social customs and values have changed... It used to be really difficult to get a divorce. It used to be illegal to marry someone of a different race. Age limits have changed; residency requirements are variable.
Nobody until Karl Rove ever felt we had to enshrine one generation's view of the institution of marriage into a permanent national characteristic. And he only thought it mattered because it would bring out voters who don't know or care about economics, education, energy, foreign policy, or other things that actually are the government's business.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:50:05pm |
re: #987 Killgore Trout
In the progressive community as a whole accepts gay right pretty much universally. Within the black community it's a tougher sell but I'm not really in touch these days.
Agreed, and I remain in touch and see no change.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:50:07pm |
re: #985 Killgore Trout
Don't worry about it too much. Very few people under 60 are freaked out by gays. In 20 years or so it won't even be a controversial topic.
I don't think too many seniors are "freaked out". We tend to mostly freak out when you fuck with our pensions, health care and such. I do think the concept is judged foreign based on life experience but like everything can be adjusted to. At least that is what this over 60 believes.
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Barflytom Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:51:02pm |
re: #954 Charles
And a majority of Americans once believed black people were less human than whites. There's a reason why we don't have majority rule in this country.
And another good reason would be to prevent 50.1 % of the population voting to have the property of the other 49.9% handed over to them.
The founders may well have failed to forsee gay "marriage" and microwave ovens, as you pointed out. They did forsee demagogues who would buy votes with other people's money.
I've never heard a convincing case that the constitution allows congress to take money from A to give it to B. And no, the general welfare clause doesn't. "General" means general, not Mr Smith or Mr Jones receiving a check from the federal government.
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:51:09pm |
Wish we could have had this topic earlier. Nighty-night for me.
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:51:54pm |
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:52:46pm |
re: #976 The Shadow Do
That is an optimistic view. I'm a pessimist. I think modern political machines have a stake in keeping the culture wars burning. Truman could desegregate the armed forces with the stroke of a pen. I campaigned, donated and voted for Obama, but I don't think he has that signature in him. Let gays openly serve and gay marriage is a few years away.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:53:28pm |
re: #995 Bagua
Agreed, and I remain in touch and see no change.
How many black people in their 20's do you know? How many bands that young black people listen to do you listen to? I've worked with a LOT of younger black people over the years, and I am not "out" at work. I just look like a dude in a metal t-shirt to them. And they're by and large not hating on teh ghey.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:55:45pm |
Good night, Dear Lizards.
See you manana.
And may your evening be lovely!
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:56:31pm |
re: #972 SpaceJesus
mhm. just because someone is great in a particular area (ie linguistics) doesn't mean they're qualified to discuss everything else (ie history).
Many people love Chomsky because he is a Jewish anti-Semite.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:57:19pm |
re: #1001 WindUpBird
How many black people in their 20's do you know? How many bands that young black people listen to do you listen to? I've worked with a LOT of younger black people over the years, and I am not "out" at work. I just look like a dude in a metal t-shirt to them. And they're by and large not hating on teh ghey.
I hope you are right and that is the trend, but I believe you live in a different neck of the woods then I. And I agree there is some clean up in the lyrics, but that is more commercial pressure than change of heart.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:57:21pm |
re: #1004 Spare O'Lake
Many people love Chomsky because he is a Jewish anti-Semite.
Quite Concur.
And I'm out. I'm tired and I want to get an early start to tomorrow.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:57:47pm |
re: #991 Spare O'Lake
For starters, perhaps politicians could take more care to express themselves more clearly and unambiguously.
So the totally untrue smear is allowed because she wasn't like WOR-morning-drive-broadcaster laser perfect with her diction.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:58:20pm |
I'm out too. Good evening.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 9:59:13pm |
Opposing gay marriage on religious grounds reminds me of the argument for intelligent design. This notion suggests that marriage was designed by a higher power and not the result of human and cultural evolution. Marriage is a human invention and not the result of supernatural powers or the desires of an intelligent designer who in this case would be designing social contracts.
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jvic Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:00:32pm |
Bigot!
Sodomite!
Bigot!
Sodomite!
*** *** *** ***
Angels and ministers of grace protect us...
P.J. O'Rourke wrote that the policy differences between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland are too trivial to kill each other over unless you want to anyway and if you're Irish you do.
I have to shovel out my car tomorrow before I vote. Good night.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:01:03pm |
re: #1005 Bagua
I hope you are right and that is the trend, but I believe you live in a different neck of the woods then I. And I agree there is some clean up in the lyrics, but that is more commercial pressure than change of heart.
I think there's sort of this dichotomous phenomenon where you can razz someone as "gay" and maybe be a little unconfotable with it, but not be against gay rights. There's the bravado, and then there's the politics, and they have this dissonance. It seems like it shouldn't work, but it does. I think some of that phenomenon is in hip-hop, and I also think there's real homophobia in hip-hop as well. I think it's changing for the better, though. There's a lot of very intelligent hip-hop which is doing well. I'm pretty hopeful.
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Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:02:00pm |
re: #972 SpaceJesus
mhm. just because someone is great in a particular area (ie linguistics) doesn't mean they're qualified to discuss everything else (ie history).
Absolutely. Also, of course, a powerful intellect can be just as easily used in the service of that person's emotions to rationalise/defend bullshit as to expose it. As Michael Shermer puts it :
"Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons."
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:02:26pm |
re: #1010 jvic
Bigot!
Sodomite!
Bigot!
Sodomite!
*** *** *** ***
Angels and ministers of grace protect us...P.J. O'Rourke wrote that the policy differences between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland are too trivial to kill each other over unless you want to anyway and if you're Irish you do.
I have to shovel out my car tomorrow before I vote. Good night.
And the difference here is that someone who calls gay people "sodomites" completely deserves the label "bigot."
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recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:05:21pm |
re: #1010 jvic
Bigot!
Sodomite!
Bigot!
Sodomite!
*** *** *** ***
Angels and ministers of grace protect us...P.J. O'Rourke wrote that the policy differences between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland are too trivial to kill each other over unless you want to anyway and if you're Irish you do.
I have to shovel out my car tomorrow before I vote. Good night.
So it's 6 one way half dozen the other for you? Both sides are loud and each side has it's faults, they're all the same etc. etc. Such a BS stance.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:05:42pm |
re: #1010 jvic
P.J. O'Rourke wrote that the policy differences between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland are too trivial to kill each other over unless you want to anyway and if you're Irish you do..
The Protestants in Northern Ireland consider themselves British-- not Irish. Therein lies the conflict. (Although sectarian hate and bigotry are in evidence too for both sides in N.Ireland)
Good night! good luck with the car.
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:06:31pm |
re: #1011 WindUpBird
There's a lot of work to be done. A lot.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:07:31pm |
re: #1007 WindUpBird
So the totally untrue smear is allowed because she wasn't like WOR-morning-drive-broadcaster laser perfect with her diction.
What are you prattling on about? Twisting of words and ambiguity are both essential parts of the art of politics. The primary obligation is on the politician to choose their words with care. Furthermore, unless one has the benefit of a transcript in front of them, I can assure you that each person listening to the same speech will quite innocently hear and understand something slightly different.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:08:08pm |
re: #1000 Olsonist
That is an optimistic view. I'm a pessimist. I think modern political machines have a stake in keeping the culture wars burning. Truman could desegregate the armed forces with the stroke of a pen. I campaigned, donated and voted for Obama, but I don't think he has that signature in him. Let gays openly serve and gay marriage is a few years away.
A stroke of the pen right now would be a big mistake for him politically and he certainly knows it. I do not respect him for being cute on too many issues.
Yes, this Republican has a world of respect for Truman. He was a man's man - a not PC statement, but what the hell, I'm old and don't give a rip any more.
Full disclosure, I am the father of a 22 year old gay daughter. That means I'm sure how this is all headed, and soon because society is changing fast - I am quite sensitive to the changes out there and they are coming more quickly than most may think.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:08:13pm |
re: #734 Escaped Hillbilly
The administration's propaganda machine had bettr get cranking quick. The press are bound and determined to make the Afghan capital attack out to be this war's Tet. Despite the fact that about half the attackers never made it to their target, only 12 people were killed, including several of the attacker, and their intended target (the soon to be sworn in electees of Karzai's gov.) were all fine, the press is quoting people who are "...so concerned, so disappointed about the security in the capital," said Mohammad Hussain, a 25-year-old shopkeeper who witnessed the fighting. "Tens of thousands of U.S. and NATO troops are being sent to Afghanistan, yet security in the capital is deteriorating."Article
The Tet offensive, for that matter, was a military failure for the VC and the North, if seen in conventional military terms. But war has its political dimension and when you don't have the heavy firepower to win a straight up fight, there's always the chance of scoring morale points with high-publicity shows of strength. The U.S. has played this game too, see Doolittle raid.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:12:04pm |
re: #1018 The Shadow Do
A stroke of the pen right now would be a big mistake for him politically and he certainly knows it. I do not respect him for being cute on too many issues.
Yes, this Republican has a world of respect for Truman. He was a man's man - a not PC statement, but what the hell, I'm old and don't give a rip any more.
Full disclosure, I am the father of a 22 year old gay daughter. That means I'm sure how this is all headed, and soon because society is changing fast - I am quite sensitive to the changes out there and they are coming more quickly than most may think.
Obama isn't the kind of guy to make such a change with a stroke of a pen. Just isn't how he prefers to govern. He'll be waiting for the issue to bubble up from the lower levels, as it already has.
And DADT is slated for removal anyway in a forthcoming defense bill. I think we'll see gay marriage (or legally equivalent versions thereof) in virtually all states by the end of this decade (i.e., by 2020.) It will be dead by then as a culture war trope, at any rate.
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:12:50pm |
re: #1018 The Shadow Do
Truman left office with about a 33% approval rating and mountain of accomplishments. We appreciate him. Our grandparents didn't.
Yes, it would be a political mistake but it would be the right thing to do. And after awhile it would be seen as the smart thing to do. FWIW, I blame it on Rahm Emmanuel.
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recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:14:32pm |
re: #1021 Olsonist
Truman left office with about a 33% approval rating and mountain of accomplishments. We appreciate him. Our grandparents didn't.
Yes, it would be a political mistake but it would be the right thing to do. And after awhile it would be seen as the smart thing to do. FWIW, I blame it on Rahm Emmanuel.
Don't go all FDL and start blaming everything on Rahm.
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Vambo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:14:53pm |
I see now why a Brown win is so important to the Repubs....
it's so they can filibuster everything.
Stay productive, GOP. Wouldn't want a successful Obama presidency making you look bad or anything - to hell with America, it's all about the GOP.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:15:30pm |
re: #1022 recusancy
Don't go all FDL and start blaming everything on Rahm.
Aaaah. It's Rahm's job to be blamed.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:15:53pm |
re: #1021 Olsonist
FWIW, I blame it on Rahm Emmanuel.
It always eventually boils down to blaming the Jew.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:16:15pm |
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:17:19pm |
re: #1011 WindUpBird
I'm waiting for some Hip-Hop/Rap that encourages young people to make something of themselves. So far I'm left wanting.
Where's the inspirational stuff? You know:
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stayfrosty Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:17:24pm |
re: #881 Charles
Obviously, she said AL QAEDA was not in Afghanistan any more. And that seems to be true; they've moved their base of operations to other countries, especially Pakistan.
Once again, we're seeing people regurgitate the talking points they've picked up from loon bloggers like Gateway Pundit.
She said the Taliban was harboring "terrorists" and in the same statement said "they're not there anymore." What else do you think she means? Never mind the fact this was the same week that a Jordanian suicide bomber killed 7 CIA agents in Afghanistan (i.e. not Pakistan)
Regardless, you ignored the main point of my post. It doesn't really matter whether the base of operations is 1km on the Afghan side or 1k on the Pakistani side of the border. Obviously we're battling terrorists in both places, and a bad foreign policy such as the one she advocates is still going to make us less safe.
And by the way, I don't even know what Gateway Pundit is. Never heard of it.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:17:25pm |
re: #1021 Olsonist
Truman left office with about a 33% approval rating and mountain of accomplishments. We appreciate him. Our grandparents didn't.
Yes, it would be a political mistake but it would be the right thing to do. And after awhile it would be seen as the smart thing to do. FWIW, I blame it on Rahm Emmanuel.
Rahm? Bullshit. Is Obama his puppet?
| 1030 |
recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:17:25pm |
| 1031 |
The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:17:27pm |
re: #1022 recusancy
Don't go all FDL and start blaming everything on Rahm.
FDL is more than happy to blame Obama for all kinds of things, anyway, even when it means (as usual) the left eating their own.
Did Firedoglake Take Out Vic Snyder?
The question, raised by Nate Silver and others: Is Firedoglake trying to scare vulnerable Democrats into retirement in order to kill health care reform? All indications point to “yes.”
| 1033 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:18:53pm |
| 1034 |
The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:20:38pm |
re: #1026 The Shadow Do
Nuanced
I hate that shit
Just do it
I wish he would too, believe me. But we go to the culture war with the POTUS we've got.
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The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:20:55pm |
re: #1023 Vambo
I see now why a Brown win is so important to the Repubs...
it's so they can filibuster everything.
Stay productive, GOP. Wouldn't want a successful Obama presidency making you look bad or anything - to hell with America, it's all about the GOP.
It's traditionally recognized as a balance of powers. Unless you prefer an 'oligarhy' of course.
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:21:57pm |
re: #1029 The Shadow Do
I'm taking a the President is head of state and the Chief of Staff is head of government (prime minister) view. Rahm was a muscle guy in the House for Pelosi and got a lot of stuff done. But having left the House, he doesn't have any pull there anymore. Add to that his unhealthy competition with Howard Dean, who really created the new Democratic majority, and yeah, I don't like the results. But Obama and Rahm go pretty far back in Chicago politics and Obama is obviously comfortable with him. But he isn't getting the job done.
| 1037 |
The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:22:51pm |
Rahm tells Obama to get angry!
SNL:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:23:25pm |
re: #1023 Vambo
I see now why a Brown win is so important to the Repubs...
it's so they can filibuster everything.
Stay productive, GOP. Wouldn't want a successful Obama presidency making you look bad or anything - to hell with America, it's all about the GOP.
Or perhaps the GOP should just go right along with all the legislation being introduced that runs completely counter to everything they stand for.
| 1039 |
Vambo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:24:52pm |
re: #1030 recusancy
You might like this post.
I do like that post!
And I like how LGF has been swarmed by non-MA residents bursting with excitement over a Coakley defeat - why do they care? The Amirault case? Give me a break!! We know what you nihilists are up to - enjoy your defeat, then scatter back into the woodpile like the rats that you are.
| 1040 |
Vambo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:25:29pm |
re: #1038 cliffster
Or perhaps the GOP should just go right along with all the legislation being introduced that runs completely counter to everything they stand for.
The GOP doesn't stand for anything. It's only against whatever the Democrats are for.
| 1041 |
Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:25:38pm |
re: #1038 cliffster
Remind me again, what do Republicans stand for? We sort of have figured out what they stand against, but what is it that they stand for?
| 1042 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:26:13pm |
re: #1040 Vambo
The GOP doesn't stand for anything. It's only against whatever the Democrats are for.
Well good evening to you, Howard Dean.
| 1043 |
sagehen Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:26:15pm |
re: #1027 Boogberg
I'm waiting for some Hip-Hop/Rap that encourages young people to make something of themselves. So far I'm left wanting.
Where's the inspirational stuff? You know:
how about this one?
| 1044 |
Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:26:15pm |
Oh dear. I have beer can stalagmites in my room. lol
| 1045 |
Bob Dillon Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:26:52pm |
re: #1019 lostlakehiker
The Tet offensive, for that matter, was a military failure for the VC and the North, if seen in conventional military terms. But war has its political dimension and when you don't have the heavy firepower to win a straight up fight, there's always the chance of scoring morale points with high-publicity shows of strength. The U.S. has played this game too, see Doolittle raid.
There is no comparison with what went down in Kabul and Tet.
Tet was a brilliant insurgency operation carried out after much long term planning and preparation. We watched the VC do it in plain sight for over six months all over the South and didn't "get it" until way after the fact.
They caught us with our pants down ... but that was short lived.
These folks in the media haven't a clue. Other than using buzz words to elicit emotional reactions and sell their misinformation and propaganda.
| 1046 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:28:03pm |
Ha! The liberal Butthurt is already raging. It is going to be a laugh if the 41st Senator is elected.
Make note to lay in large supplies of popcorn.
| 1047 |
recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:28:29pm |
re: #1043 sagehen
Holy Shit! Gang Starr! Never thought I'd see Guru and Premier on this site.
| 1048 |
The Shadow Do Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:29:02pm |
re: #1040 Vambo
The GOP doesn't stand for anything. It's only against whatever the Democrats are for.
I'll chalk that up to willfull ignorance (same as Dem bullet points), but too tired to argue. Work beckons in just a few hours.
Nite my friends.
| 1049 |
Aye Pod Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:29:29pm |
Night folks (leaving you with another randomly selected piece of 1970's UK culture)...
| 1050 |
sagehen Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:30:11pm |
re: #1047 recusancy
Holy Shit! Gang Starr! Never thought I'd see Guru and Premier on this site.
and some trivia to tie it back to the thread topic: Premier's father is a judge in Boston.
| 1051 |
torrentprime Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:30:27pm |
re: #1046 Bagua
Ha! The liberal Butthurt is already raging. It is going to be a laugh if the 41st Senator is elected.
Make note to lay in large supplies of popcorn.
Fair enough, but I have to note: will it rival the popcorn fest when NY-23 went blue for the first time since Lincoln?
| 1052 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:30:37pm |
re: #1039 Vambo
I do like that post!
And I like how LGF has been swarmed by non-MA residents bursting with excitement over a Coakley defeat - why do they care? The Amirault case? Give me a break!! We know what you nihilists are up to - enjoy your defeat, then scatter back into the woodpile like the rats that you are.
You are saying the posters here are rats?
I thought we were lizards, I'm confused.
| 1053 |
recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:30:59pm |
re: #1027 Boogberg
I'm waiting for some Hip-Hop/Rap that encourages young people to make something of themselves. So far I'm left wanting.
Where's the inspirational stuff? You know:
I'll just chalk that up to ignorance. There is plenty of Hip-Hip/Rap that encourages young people to make something of themselves.
| 1054 |
torrentprime Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:31:04pm |
re: #1038 cliffster
Or perhaps the GOP should just go right along with all the legislation being introduced that runs completely counter to everything they stand for.
Worked from '92 - '06.
| 1055 |
recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:33:04pm |
re: #1038 cliffster
Or perhaps the GOP should just go right along with all the legislation being introduced that runs completely counter to everything they stand for.
What do they stand for?
| 1056 |
Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:33:51pm |
re: #1043 sagehen
Not bad. A bit hard for me to follow but it wouldn't be for my nephew. :)
| 1058 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:34:25pm |
re: #1055 recusancy
What do they stand for?
Surely at least cheese? It is assumed rats advocate cheese.
| 1059 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:34:26pm |
re: #1038 cliffster
Or perhaps the GOP should just go right along with all the legislation being introduced that runs completely counter to everything they stand for.
How about writing and introducing legislation? Then getting co-sponsorships. In 2007-2008 they broke the filibuster record by 2 to 1. Too much strategy games and not enough real governing going on there. Governing by filibuster is not reflective of good leadership. The Dems are also guilty of this when they're in the minority but regardless of party this is leads to stagnation.
If the GOP does get a win tomorrow and proceeds to filibuster HRC to death without offering any alternative I foresee problems with GOP. The fact remains, even if the current HRC may be flawed, Americans still want reform to cover pre-existing conditions, insurance costs, etc. Relegating the uninsured to emergency rooms is also another wasteful practice.
| 1060 |
sagehen Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:35:34pm |
re: #1038 cliffster
Or perhaps the GOP should just go right along with all the legislation being introduced that runs completely counter to everything they stand for.
or they could, y'know, propose alternatives. Where are the Republican policy ideas?
| 1061 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:36:32pm |
re: #1057 Olsonist
We've been asking.
Smart people don't respond to questions from people when the near-100%-certain response is a barfing of overused one-liners and tired talking points.
| 1062 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:36:38pm |
re: #1055 recusancy
What do they stand for?
Well we will find out pretty quick when the Democrats are forced to go back to actual negotiations won't we? Silencing the opposition and half the country will no longer be an option.
| 1063 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:37:58pm |
re: #1059 Gus 802
Part of being the majority is that you set the agenda. Part of being a minority is that you are completely unable to set the agenda. This is why minority parties filibuster relentlessly - it's all they can do.
| 1064 |
recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:38:04pm |
re: #1062 Bagua
Well we will find out pretty quick when the Democrats are forced to go back to actual negotiations won't we? Silencing the opposition and half the country will no longer be an option.
That's right. They haven't negotiated anything. They've just been pushing through legislation left and right.
| 1065 |
torrentprime Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:38:07pm |
re: #1062 Bagua
Well we will find out pretty quick when the Democrats are forced to go back to actual negotiations won't we? Silencing the opposition and half the country will no longer be an option.
Yeah, like pursuing a public option that 60+% of the country favors! Wait, bad example....
An if you think dealing with the Conservadems isn't "negotiating," you haven't been paying attention.
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:38:32pm |
re: #1053 recusancy
I'll just chalk that up to ignorance. There is plenty of Hip-Hip/Rap that encourages young people to make something of themselves.
Well I'm all ears. Let's hear some.
| 1067 |
SFGoth Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:38:39pm |
Both Hillbuzz and aconservativelesbian support Brown over Coakley, and in the formers' case, they claim to be a couple of/few gay moderate Dems and Hillary supporters. Maybe they are actually right wing trolls Yet Charles has the guy as a right wing nut. I don't get it. Read something that he's anti-partial birth but pro-choice. Could be wrong, but by definition if you are pro-choice, you can't be a right wing nut.
| 1068 |
Vambo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:38:48pm |
re: #1062 Bagua
Well we will find out pretty quick when the Democrats are forced to go back to actual negotiations won't we? Silencing the opposition and half the country will no longer be an option.
hahahahaha. what a joke.
| 1069 |
The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:39:39pm |
re: #1059 Gus 802
How about writing and introducing legislation? Then getting co-sponsorships. In 2007-2008 they broke the filibuster record by 2 to 1. Too much strategy games and not enough real governing going on there. Governing by filibuster is not reflective of good leadership. The Dems are also guilty of this when they're in the minority but regardless of party this is leads to stagnation.
If the GOP does get a win tomorrow and proceeds to filibuster HRC to death without offering any alternative I foresee problems with GOP. The fact remains, even if the current HRC may be flawed, Americans still want reform to cover pre-existing conditions, insurance costs, etc. Relegating the uninsured to emergency rooms is also another wasteful practice.
They're too busy writing and co-sponsering legislation on such burning issues as birth certificates, and whether the Democratic Party should be forced to relabel itself the "Democratic Socialist Party".
You know. The real issues facing "real America" today.
| 1070 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:39:50pm |
Oy. I'm out. Tomorrow's gonna be a bloodbath.
| 1071 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:40:24pm |
re: #1039 Vambo
I do like that post!
And I like how LGF has been swarmed by non-MA residents bursting with excitement over a Coakley defeat - why do they care? The Amirault case? Give me a break!! We know what you nihilists are up to - enjoy your defeat, then scatter back into the woodpile like the rats that you are.
Gee, could it be that the entire MSM and everyone else at LGF other than you knows that the Mass contest will determine the fate of the Dem supermajority?
Nah, I think you know very well but are just in denial.
| 1072 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:41:56pm |
re: #1063 cliffster
Part of being the majority is that you set the agenda. Part of being a minority is that you are completely unable to set the agenda. This is why minority parties filibuster relentlessly - it's all they can do.
There are ways around that. Committees, co-sponsors, the proverbial "working across the aisle." This was one of the things that McCain found a great deal of praise -- working with the Democrats. I still can't understand how members of congress can only find common ground based on party identification. Surely they all most cross the line with a variety of issues.
| 1073 |
recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:42:05pm |
re: #1066 Boogberg
Well I'm all ears. Let's hear some.
Gang Starr - as sage posted.
Common
Tribe Called Quest
NAS "I Can"
| 1074 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:42:38pm |
| 1075 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:43:14pm |
re: #1051 torrentprime
Fair enough, but I have to note: will it rival the popcorn fest when NY-23 went blue for the first time since Lincoln?
That was nothing, whats one more congressman or less? But the 41st senator will mean end of the Obama steamroller.
The shrieks and howls will be massive. Hillary will be inconsolable. I'm planning a party.
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:43:36pm |
re: #1072 Gus 802
That's politics. You get out of step, you lose the support of the Borg. You lose support, you're on your own. You're on your own, you lose. People don't like losing. In step they go.
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sagehen Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:43:56pm |
re: #1062 Bagua
Well we will find out pretty quick when the Democrats are forced to go back to actual negotiations won't we? Silencing the opposition and half the country will no longer be an option.
Oh, puhleeze.
How many months did Grassley and Snowe string them along? How much did the original Dem health care proposals get watered down with hints of suggestions of a possibilitiy that there might be something that some Republican somewhere would be able to support?
They gave in on everything, and still got 0 Republican support. They got rolled.
And the Republicans still aren't offering up any suggestions of their own -- just an endless string of "not that, take that out, forget this other component".
How do you negotiate with someone whose only position is "we won't support anything you want ever, no matter what"?
Same thing happened with the stimulus -- R's couldn't support it if it was over a certain size, R's couldn't vote for it if it didn't go half to tax cuts, R's couldn't support it if family planning got any of the money, R's couldn't support it if (list of a dozen other parts of the bill that R's insisted be removed before it came to a vote) -- and still not one Republican in the senate, and only one Republican in the House, voted or it.
| 1078 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:44:38pm |
re: #1067 SFGoth
Both Hillbuzz and aconservativelesbian support Brown over Coakley, and in the formers' case, they claim to be a couple of/few gay moderate Dems and Hillary supporters. Maybe they are actually right wing trolls Yet Charles has the guy as a right wing nut. I don't get it. Read something that he's anti-partial birth but pro-choice. Could be wrong, but by definition if you are pro-choice, you can't be a right wing nut.
Hillbuzz claims to be moderate Dems?
Lord.
| 1079 |
torrentprime Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:45:19pm |
re: #1075 Bagua
That was nothing, whats one more congressman or less? But the 41st senator will mean end of the Obama steamroller.
The shrieks and howls will be massive. Hillary will be inconsolable. I'm planning a party.
So, like all such events, It's Good News For Republicans regardless of what actually happens. Got it.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:45:49pm |
re: #1070 SanFranciscoZionist
Oy. I'm out. Tomorrow's gonna be a bloodbath.
It still may not happen until November, but the writing in on the board, as they say.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:45:57pm |
re: #1070 SanFranciscoZionist
Oy. I'm out. Tomorrow's gonna be a bloodbath.
Oy to the vay back at ya.
Goodnight.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:45:58pm |
re: #1076 cliffster
That's politics. You get out of step, you lose the support of the Borg. You lose support, you're on your own. You're on your own, you lose. People don't like losing. In step they go.
McCain worked with Kennedy and vice versa. They are/were rather successful in their careers. Americans want results. This doesn't have to happen all the time but I think it's good for morale.
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:46:03pm |
re: #1063 cliffster
Part of being the majority is that you set the agenda. Part of being a minority is that you are completely unable to set the agenda. This is why minority parties filibuster relentlessly - it's all they can do.
Your words, not mine.
| 1084 |
recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:46:13pm |
re: #1078 SanFranciscoZionist
Hillbuzz claims to be moderate Dems?
Lord.
hehe... might as well go to noquarter as well. That "whitey" tape is coming any day now
| 1085 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:46:26pm |
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*deep breath*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Dems twide so hawd to make deh evil Weepublicans wike dem.
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:46:36pm |
re: #1079 torrentprime
So, like all such events, It's Good News For Republicans regardless of what actually happens. Got it.
Blocking the health care reform bill that's out there right now would be very good news, yes.
| 1087 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:47:32pm |
re: #1071 Spare O'Lake
Gee, could it be that the entire MSM and everyone else at LGF other than you knows that the Mass contest will determine the fate of the Dem supermajority?
Nah, I think you know very well but are just in denial.
He he, imagine that, the election means something outside of Mass, who'd a thunk it?
| 1088 |
Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:49:21pm |
re: #1073 recusancy
Gang Starr - as sage posted.
Common
Tribe Called Quest
NAS "I Can"
Now that's what I'm talking about! I think Beethoven would approve. :)
| 1089 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:50:32pm |
re: #1082 Gus 802
McCain worked with Kennedy and vice versa. They are/were rather successful in their careers. Americans want results. This doesn't have to happen all the time but I think it's good for morale.
Indeed, there are, oh, one or two Congressmen with the stature to do this sort of thing. The rest of them pretty much have to walk the line or face certain death.
| 1090 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:50:35pm |
This goes out in advance to all the Butthurt-Liberals who are about to wake up to the reality of the Lame Duck Obama Agenda.
If not tomorrow then November.
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webevintage Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:51:26pm |
re: #1086 cliffster
Blocking the health care reform bill that's out there right now would be very good news, yes.
Good news for everyone except for people without insurance and with pre-existing conditions and folks who would have used those nifty community health clinics Sanders got money for in the bill and the self employed ...but for the the rest of us it will be good news I guess.
| 1092 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:51:28pm |
re: #1086 cliffster
No. It would be fucking GREAT news.
| 1093 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:51:52pm |
re: #1090 Bagua
I like your enthusiasm, but it's not going to happen tomorrow.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:51:58pm |
The Democratic supermajority has attained a mythical and fabled status. This flies against the fact that there is still no legislation that has been put in front of the presidents desk; Joe Lieberman; Ben Nelson; and Bart Stupak. It's been rather fractured.
| 1095 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:52:05pm |
re: #1090 Bagua
This goes out in advance to all the Butthurt-Liberals who are about to wake up to the reality of the Lame Duck Obama Agenda.
[Video]
If not tomorrow then November.
I'll bet you a tasty beer, shipped right to your door, that Obama wins in 2012. :D
| 1096 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:52:08pm |
| 1097 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:53:05pm |
re: #1095 WindUpBird
I'll bet you a tasty beer, shipped right to your door, that Obama wins in 2012. :D
Your on!
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bermanator Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:53:11pm |
I went to a Sunday barbecue at Martha Coakley's house five or six years ago. I don't remember our exact exchange, but I left there thinking she was one of the fakest people I had met in a long time.
Scott Brown seems like a bit of an empty suit but he certainly isn't an ideologue, although his attack ads are classic thuggery. Nancy's aren't any better.
I'm really not sure who to vote for at this point. Both of them suck.
| 1099 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:53:18pm |
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:53:38pm |
re: #1091 webevintage
Good news for everyone except for people without insurance and with pre-existing conditions and folks who would have used those nifty community health clinics Sanders got money for in the bill and the self employed ...but for the the rest of us it will be good news I guess.
Actually, the people who would be pissed if legislation is blocked are the rich insurance executives.
| 1101 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:53:44pm |
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torrentprime Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:55:14pm |
re: #1094 Gus 802
The Democratic supermajority has attained a mythical and fabled status. This flies against the fact that there is still no legislation that has been put in front of the presidents desk; Joe Lieberman; Ben Nelson; and Bart Stupak. It's been rather fractured.
Shhh! Don't break the narrative! Obama is crushing all dissent! Rush told me so!
/wingnut
| 1103 |
bermanator Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:55:32pm |
re: #1098 bermanator
And by Nancy I meant Martha. How could I possibly get them confused? ;-)
| 1104 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:55:43pm |
re: #1094 Gus 802
The Democratic supermajority has attained a mythical and fabled status. This flies against the fact that there is still no legislation that has been put in front of the presidents desk; Joe Lieberman; Ben Nelson; and Bart Stupak. It's been rather fractured.
Wait, you mean it's been a whole year and nothing of substance has been accomplished? This whole year has been a waste? And now R's are looking to nullify the supermajority?
Tsk tsk.
Democrats: snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - again.
| 1105 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:55:45pm |
re: #1093 cliffster
I like your enthusiasm, but it's not going to happen tomorrow.
Ha! Note my disclaimers about tomorrow or November, either way, the closeness of the race gives great odds to a lame duckyness some time this year.
| 1106 |
webevintage Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:56:04pm |
re: #1098 bermanator
Scott Brown seems like a bit of an empty suit but he certainly isn't an ideologue, although his attack ads are classic thuggery.
He's got a truck though so that makes him a regular guy.
But yeah, they both probably suck...I feel for ya folks in MA.
It's always the choice of a douchebag or a shit sandwich....
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:57:23pm |
re: #1100 cliffster
I'm cool with the insurance companies making money if they can't deny coverage. Totally cool with this. It's called capitalism. Capitalism is good. In fact, I think the insurance companies of their own accord should do this. But they don't. It's called stupid.
| 1108 |
torrentprime Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:57:31pm |
re: #1104 Racer X
Wait, you mean it's been a whole year and nothing of substance has been accomplished? This whole year has been a waste?
When was Franken seated? How long have the Dems had a super-majority? (Hint: it's much less than a year).
| 1109 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:57:44pm |
re: #1101 WindUpBird
You like porters, stouts, heavy ales, lagers?
Yes, among others. A proud member of CAMRA.
| 1110 |
recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:58:25pm |
re: #1108 torrentprime
When was Franken seated? How long have the Dems had a super-majority? (Hint: it's much less than a year).
They've only had 60 for 4 months total.
| 1111 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:58:57pm |
re: #1100 cliffster
Actually, the people who would be pissed if legislation is blocked are the rich insurance executives.
That's true! I'm a little more bullish on HCR being an improvement Social Security was a askeleton of what it is now when it passed) but the insurance companies want their payday.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 10:59:21pm |
re: #1108 torrentprime
When was Franken seated? How long have the Dems had a super-majority? (Hint: it's much less than a year).
Yes, and experiencing time decay as we speak. It's a jolly thing.
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sagehen Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:00:47pm |
re: #1108 torrentprime
When was Franken seated? How long have the Dems had a super-majority? (Hint: it's much less than a year).
And how much screaming will we hear from the right if Coakley drags things out as long as Norm Coleman did? Or even half that long?
| 1114 |
Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:01:54pm |
| 1115 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:02:06pm |
re: #1104 Racer X
Wait, you mean it's been a whole year and nothing of substance has been accomplished? This whole year has been a waste? And now R's are looking to nullify the supermajority?
Tsk tsk.
Democrats: snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - again.
My point is that this hasn't exactly been a sweeping and easy task for the Dems. There has already been a great deal of opposition from within the Democratic party ranks. There is also a great deal of discontent from within the Democratic progressive base regarding the public option, pharmaceuticals, etc. There has been due process and the it is counter to the hysteria that this is being shoved down people throats.
I haven't suggested any further analysis of the Democrats. In many ways they are responsible for their own predicted defeats in the coming years. Technically, there is no victory because the election is tomorrow and the votes are yet to be counted. So there is no jaws of victory to speak of -- that is until the fat lady sings. Even if Brown wins the GOP has a long road ahead of them as does the rest of the country.
| 1116 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:03:10pm |
re: #1109 Bagua
Yes, among others. A proud member of CAMRA.
You're a cask ale guy! Me, not so much, though I have enjoyed a few. I am totally into Belgians, any belgian style, especially trappists, I love 'em. Most dark german styles I like, all northwest IPAs and pale ales.
| 1117 |
cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:03:22pm |
re: #1105 Bagua
Ha! Note my disclaimers about tomorrow or November, either way, the closeness of the race gives great odds to a lame duckyness some time this year.
Indeed I did note your disclaimer. But, Republicans from sea to shining sea seem to be popping the bottles of bubbly well shy of any polls opening. It's probably good champagne they have - they should save it for November.
| 1118 |
Racer X Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:04:14pm |
re: #1115 Gus 802
Agreed.
The Obama presidency was truly historic, and yet the first year was a total waste. Nothing of substance accomplished. Obama deserved better than this. America deserved better.
Democratic Party Fail.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:04:42pm |
| 1120 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:04:53pm |
re: #1117 cliffster
Indeed I did note your disclaimer. But, Republicans from sea to shining sea seem to be popping the bottles of bubbly well shy of any polls opening. It's probably good champagne they have - they should save it for November.
The only poll dude I trust is Nate Silver. What he says, I give weight to.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:05:21pm |
re: #1115 Gus 802
So there is no jaws of victory to speak of -- that is until the fat lady sings. Even if Brown wins the GOP has a long road ahead of them as does the rest of the country.
Agreed with all points, not just this bit. FWIW, I think Brown will probably win.
| 1122 |
bermanator Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:05:46pm |
re: #1113 sagehen
And how much screaming will we hear from the right if Coakley drags things out as long as Norm Coleman did? Or even half that long?
Barney Frank. Screaming. On my television.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:06:22pm |
re: #1121 iceweasel
Agreed with all points, not just this bit. FWIW, I think Brown will probably win.
Odd on favorite. 3 to 1.
/Also includes preemptive gloating. ;-)
| 1124 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:07:06pm |
re: #1118 Racer X
Agreed.
The Obama presidency was truly historic, and yet the first year was a total waste. Nothing of substance accomplished. Obama deserved better than this. America deserved better.
Democratic Party Fail.
The Democratic party has always been a circular firing squad. We.have a hard time getting people on the same page about anything.
| 1125 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:08:15pm |
re: #1121 iceweasel
Agreed with all points, not just this bit. FWIW, I think Brown will probably win.
If Brown wins, look for Indians in the harbor.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:09:46pm |
re: #1118 Racer X
Agreed.
The Obama presidency was truly historic, and yet the first year was a total waste. Nothing of substance accomplished. Obama deserved better than this. America deserved better.
Democratic Party Fail.
The DNC needs to do some serious rethinking about things just as much as the GOP. As the economy shows no one is out of the woods yet and that is one issue we need to seriously address.
| 1127 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:09:55pm |
re: #1121 iceweasel
Agreed with all points, not just this bit. FWIW, I think Brown will probably win.
So does Nate Silver!
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:10:21pm |
re: #1125 Cato the Elder
If Brown wins, look for Indians in the harbor.
Boston Harbor? As in Tea Party?
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Vambo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:10:52pm |
re: #1118 Racer X
Agreed.
The Obama presidency was truly historic, and yet the first year was a total waste. Nothing of substance accomplished. Obama deserved better than this. America deserved better.
Democratic Party Fail.
One year is such a long time. I wonder what 8 years of Republican Party Fail felt like... so long ago, I can't even remember! damn you, Obama.
| 1131 |
recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:13:18pm |
| 1132 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:13:23pm |
re: #1116 windupbird
You're a cask ale guy! Me, not so much, though I have enjoyed a few. I am totally into Belgians, any belgian style, especially trappists, I love 'em. Most dark german styles I like, all northwest IPAs and pale ales.
It's more a political statement than a preference. CAMRA champions the oppressed. I actually favour Largers, Pilsners, and of course Guinness for daily use.
I've had the pleasure of experiencing a lot of good beers in their native element were they were normal as opposed to exotic. Tonight I've had a Lebanese Larger which was a revelation. They know how to make beer. Who knew?
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:14:42pm |
re: #1122 bermanator
Barney Frank. Screaming. On my television.
Is there a link to the youtube version yet? This may be a fun year after all.
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sagehen Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:15:02pm |
re: #1124 windupbird
The Democratic party has always been a circular firing squad. We.have a hard time getting people on the same page about anything.
"I'm not a member of any organized party. I'm a Democrat."
Will Rogers, 1934.
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:16:13pm |
re: #1116 windupbird
You're a cask ale guy! Me, not so much, though I have enjoyed a few. I am totally into Belgians, any belgian style, especially trappists, I love 'em. Most dark german styles I like, all northwest IPAs and pale ales.
Beer should be eaten. Whether for breakfast, lunch, or dinner.
| 1136 |
Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:16:34pm |
re: #1124 windupbird
The Democratic party has always been a circular firing squad. We.have a hard time getting people on the same page about anything.
I have a suggestion but I don't know if it would be popular with the Dems. OK, here goes. Replace Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House.
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:17:25pm |
re: #1131 recusancy
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
Thinkprogress.com?
That's a raving lunatic moonbat site.
| 1138 |
recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:17:55pm |
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:18:04pm |
re: #1134 sagehen
Yeah, but just about all of the American accomplishments have been liberal accomplishments. Everything from freeing the slaves to universal suffrage to defeating fascism and most of the work towards defeating communism.
Again, what do the conservatives have to show for themselves?
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recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:19:14pm |
re: #1139 Olsonist
Yeah, but just about all of the American accomplishments have been liberal accomplishments. Everything from freeing the slaves to universal suffrage to defeating fascism and most of the work towards defeating communism.
Again, what do the conservatives have to show for themselves?
The military industrial complex and the national debt (see Raeganism).
| 1141 |
Vambo Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:19:45pm |
voting against financial aid for 9/11 rescue workers should in itself be a skidmark on someone's political career.re: #1136 Gus 802
I have a suggestion but I don't know if it would be popular with the Dems. OK, here goes. Replace Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House.
YES! Does anyone like her? I don't think so.
| 1142 |
Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:20:13pm |
re: #1140 recusancy
I agree with you on the national debt but the military industrial complex was bipartisan.
| 1143 |
Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:20:38pm |
I posted this on the new thread to pay respects to the Democratic suffering.
Let's have a moment of silence.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:21:36pm |
re: #1067 SFGoth
Both Hillbuzz and aconservativelesbian support Brown over Coakley, and in the formers' case, they claim to be a couple of/few gay moderate Dems and Hillary supporters. Maybe they are actually right wing trolls Yet Charles has the guy as a right wing nut. I don't get it. Read something that he's anti-partial birth but pro-choice. Could be wrong, but by definition if you are pro-choice, you can't be a right wing nut.
Scott Brown is not pro-choice. He used to be pro-choice but has switched his position to get the pro-life groups on his side. I posted the quote on this above.
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:22:06pm |
re: #1141 Vambo
Pelosi's constituency is in the House. She has great retail skills but doesn't have Gingrich's wholesale skills.
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webevintage Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:22:29pm |
re: #1141 Vambo
voting against financial aid for 9/11 rescue workers should in itself be a skidmark on someone's political career.
Well only if you are a Democrat.
It is obviously ok if one is a Republican....
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:22:42pm |
re: #1139 Olsonist
Yeah, but just about all of the American accomplishments have been liberal accomplishments. Everything from freeing the slaves to universal suffrage to defeating fascism and most of the work towards defeating communism.
Again, what do the conservatives have to show for themselves?
Don't bogart that joint.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:23:28pm |
re: #1141 Vambo
voting against financial aid for 9/11 rescue workers should in itself be a skidmark on someone's political career.
YES! Does anyone like her? I don't think so.
She's too polarizing and smarmy. They need somebody that's more willing to be bipartisan. Right now it seems as though she's mostly in this for the power trip. Some more conciliatory. Even Harry Reid comes of as being more conciliatory at times.
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Silvergirl Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:24:02pm |
re: #1135 cliffster
Beer should be eaten. Whether for breakfast, lunch, or dinner.
Fun beer link. Hit the + when you're there so it's big enough to see.
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:25:30pm |
re: #1150 Silvergirl
Fun beer link. Hit the + when you're there so it's big enough to see.
"And remember.. beer taxes make other taxes lower"
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:26:10pm |
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:26:36pm |
re: #1149 Gus 802
She's too polarizing and smarmy. They need somebody that's more willing to be bipartisan. Right now it seems as though she's mostly in this for the power trip. Some more conciliatory. Even Harry Reid comes of as being more conciliatory at times.
Late night confession time!
I just can't stand Pelosi. Some of it is rational (indeed, I hope most of it), but some of it has a wholly irrational component. She just grates on me.
I don't have that kind of knee-jerk irrational reaction to anyone else I can think of-- including Palin. I dislike Palin for completely rational reasons.
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recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:27:48pm |
re: #1153 iceweasel
Is it the botox smile? McCain has that too.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:29:07pm |
re: #1153 iceweasel
Late night confession time!
I just can't stand Pelosi. Some of it is rational (indeed, I hope most of it), but some of it has a wholly irrational component. She just grates on me.
I don't have that kind of knee-jerk irrational reaction to anyone else I can think of-- including Palin. I dislike Palin for completely rational reasons.
Exactly. Which is why I brought up the personality component. She's just grating. The whole package is one that I find difficult to describe. One thing I just thought of is that she has this way of being rude to people in a polite manner. It's strange I know.
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:29:31pm |
re: #1153 iceweasel
Ice, walk me through that. What don't you like about Pelosi? I've watched her for pretty much her whole career. I saw her personally on election night when she won her Congressional seat. I've got some local issues with her, but she's got organizational chops.
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Boogberg Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:29:56pm |
re: #1137 Boogberg
Thinkprogress.com?
That's a raving lunatic moonbat site.
Thinkprogress.org I meant. But you knew that.
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cliffster Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:30:05pm |
re: #1152 Olsonist
Don't answer that question.
Have you told your mother that you beat your wife?
Since everything you said was wrong, not much sense in answering anything.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:30:07pm |
re: #1149 Gus 802
Even Harry Reid comes of as being more conciliatory at times.
Harry Reid will likely fall away in November. He's probably already booking his post Senate speaking engagements.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:30:51pm |
re: #1156 Olsonist
Ice, walk me through that. What don't you like about Pelosi? I've watched her for pretty much her whole career. I saw her personally on election night when she won her Congressional seat. I've got some local issues with her, but she's got organizational chops.
You ever meet a Michelle Liapis?
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sagehen Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:30:54pm |
re: #1139 Olsonist
Again, what do the conservatives have to show for themselves?
Party discipline.
Liberals way outnumber conservatives, always have -- but conservatives are much better organized.
Which only stands to reason -- conservatives are a hierarchal people and resistant to change by their very nature, that's what makes them conservatives. Liberals are willing to try new things, and innovations are never smooth and simple.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:31:47pm |
re: #1153 iceweasel
Late night confession time!
I just can't stand Pelosi.
Yep, it's bi-partisan to despise Pelosi.
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simoom Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:32:05pm |
re: #1078 SanFranciscoZionist
Hillbuzz claims to be moderate Dems?
Lord.
Doh, don't tell me that old PUMA blog is being used by Republicans to demonstrate Dem crossovers again. I remember back in the lead up to the election when they were creating mash-up videos of 9/11 victims falling from the towers and Reverend Wright.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:32:51pm |
re: #1154 recusancy
Is it the botox smile? McCain has that too.
I have no idea what it is. It's something I'm embarrassed to admit, because as mentioned, I generally (I hope) have rational reasons for those I dislike as public figures. Like McCain.
There's some kind of purely emotive 'yuk' reaction that I have when I see or hear Pelosi. I hope I can separate it from genuine reasons to like or dislike her, but it could well be colouring my perceptions of her.
All of this doesn't say anything about her, but something (negative) about me.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:34:03pm |
re: #440 Dark_Falcon
Well, please still upding from time to time. I like knowing I've earned your approval.
You need her approval like a helium balloon needs a leak.
And by the way, unless there's some feature I've never heard about, you can't "turn off" your dinger.
Just more pious BS from the Smurfette.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:35:12pm |
re: #1164 iceweasel
I have no idea what it is. It's something I'm embarrassed to admit, because as mentioned, I generally (I hope) have rational reasons for those I dislike as public figures. Like McCain.
There's some kind of purely emotive 'yuk' reaction that I have when I see or hear Pelosi. I hope I can separate it from genuine reasons to like or dislike her, but it could well be colouring my perceptions of her.
All of this doesn't say anything about her, but something (negative) about me.
Personalities play a big role in this. It's like hating someones politics but liking them as a whole. It can work either way to either like them or dislike them. Sort of like for some reason I like John Boehner.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:35:23pm |
re: #1156 Olsonist
Ice, walk me through that. What don't you like about Pelosi? I've watched her for pretty much her whole career. I saw her personally on election night when she won her Congressional seat. I've got some local issues with her, but she's got organizational chops.
I wholly agree with you on her organizational chops. I'll have to detail specific issues a little later (multitasking here). I was really just lending support to Gus's comments-- she can be offputting even to those who (like me) would otherwise be expected to like her or support her, in an irrational way.
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sagehen Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:35:30pm |
re: #1147 webevintage
Well only if you are a Democrat.
It is obviously ok if one is a Republican...
You forgot to use the acronym.
IOKIYAR.
Cheated on your wife, got caught with a whore, on your third divorce? IOKIYAR. Trawling airport restrooms? IOKIYAR. Dodgy real estate deals, or earmarks to companies that hire your offspring as lobbyists? IOKIYAR. Lied to a grand jury? IOKIYAR.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:38:27pm |
re: #1168 iceweasel
I wholly agree with you on her organizational chops. I'll have to detail specific issues a little later (multitasking here). I was really just lending support to Gus's comments-- she can be offputting even to those who (like me) would otherwise be expected to like her or support her, in an irrational way.
It could be with regards to class, legacies, nepotism. Her father Thomas D'Alesandro, Jr., congressman and mayor of Baltimore. That Blue Blood voice of hers and she's married to some bazzillionaire. Then there was the minimum wage thing and American Samoa...
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SixDegrees Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:38:51pm |
re: #32 Charles
OK, I changed the post to "right wing" instead of far right, but there is very little doubt that his surge against Coakley is fueled by far right tea party populism.
But calling him a "moderate" is not correct either. He opposes stem cell research, wants a constitutional amendment to prevent same sex marriage, and in most other issues has a record of right wing ideological stances. His abortion position is a bit of an anomaly, and will probably change if he's elected.
...and Coakley's record as a prosecutor seems, at best, questionable. Not to mention a series of blunders and gaffes on her part.
I have no doubt the TPers will claim credit for a Brown victory. Whether that's actually true seems debatable.
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:39:35pm |
re: #1164 iceweasel
I'll tell you back in the day she was gorgeous. I think Palin had better legs but Pelosi in her 30s was bombshell gorgeous. I kind of agree with you, but I still give her credit for her organizational skills. But that is all within the caucus stuff. We judge her as an aging woman and in relation to Gingrich who, second to Clinton, had great oratorical skills.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:40:23pm |
re: #1166 Cato the Elder
You need her approval like a helium balloon needs a leak.
And by the way, unless there's some feature I've never heard about, you can't "turn off" your dinger.
Just more pious BS from the Smurfette.
On the contrary! One may access the "turn off dinger" feature by logging onto account management.
I tried it earlier. All ding buttons and numbers disappear.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:41:23pm |
re: #1173 Bagua
On the contrary! One may access the "turn off dinger" feature by logging onto account management.
I tried it earlier. All ding buttons and numbers disappear.
How do you do it?
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:41:34pm |
re: #1172 Olsonist
I'll tell you back in the day she was gorgeous. I think Palin had better legs but Pelosi in her 30s was bombshell gorgeous.
Well we all agree shes quite frightening now.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:44:32pm |
re: #1174 Cato the Elder
How do you do it?
Never mind. I only read your second paragraph.
I take back what I said and maintain the opposite.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:45:09pm |
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:45:28pm |
re: #1174 Cato the Elder
How do you do it?
Click your avatar, then click 'My account' above it. Log on to account management with your user name and password.
Then un-check the box next to the text 'Show comment rating system.'
Then click 'Save changes'
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:45:30pm |
re: #1175 Bagua
Well we all agree shes quite frightening now.
When they take 1000s of pictures of you it's always easy to find frightening pictures. Bad enough when it's just a "roll" of 24 images. I won't comment on her looks -- she's almost 70 and actually looks really good for her age.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:46:18pm |
re: #1174 Cato the Elder
How do you do it?
I have no problem believing she's turned it off. Especially after having been exposed as someone who returns to old threads to vindictively downding certain posts, even ones involving a wedding video. Couldn't stop herself.
So kudos to her for dropping that-- kudos removed for the need to make yet another saintly floating post in a live thread about 'forgiving' me-- or blaming her lack of self-control on me.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:47:44pm |
re: #1172 Olsonist
I'll tell you back in the day she was gorgeous. I think Palin had better legs but Pelosi in her 30s was bombshell gorgeous. I kind of agree with you, but I still give her credit for her organizational skills. But that is all within the caucus stuff. We judge her as an aging woman and in relation to Gingrich who, second to Clinton, had great oratorical skills.
Agreed. And I've seen her old photos and she was gorgeous. I don't find her ugly now, either-- as I said, the wholly irrational component to my dislike really exposes something (ugly) about me, I think.
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recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:50:02pm |
re: #1181 iceweasel
Agreed. And I've seen her old photos and she was gorgeous. I don't find her ugly now, either-- as I said, the wholly irrational component to my dislike really exposes something (ugly) about me, I think.
It might be that you hang out here and listen to everybody on the right incessantly degrade her. It may have seeped into your subconscious.
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:50:58pm |
re: #1177 Cato the Elder
Sexist.
Nonsense, I find Bozo the Clown to be frightening the same way and he's a man.
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The Left Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:52:01pm |
re: #1182 recusancy
It might be that you hang out here and listen to everybody on the right incessantly degrade her. It may have seeped into your subconscious.
Possibly, but I know some of it is me. Not letting myself off the hook that easily.
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:52:37pm |
re: #1182 recusancy
There is that. I remember Rush Limbaugh going after Chelsea Clinton. Ballet dancing, Stanford attending, Rhodes scholar winning Chelsea Clinton.
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recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:52:46pm |
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Bagua Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:55:27pm |
I see some are humourless tonight. Is Pelosi a sacred figure then, above parody? Why so angry tonight?
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Olsonist Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:57:22pm |
I remember when the Dems won the House majority and Pelosi became SOS, she was quite gracious towards Bush, unexpectedly so.
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recusancy Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:58:54pm |
re: #1189 Olsonist
I remember when the Dems won the House majority and Pelosi became SOS, she was quite gracious towards Bush, unexpectedly so.
She's polite to a fault.
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Gus Mon, Jan 18, 2010 11:59:44pm |
re: #1188 Bagua
I see some are humourless tonight. Is Pelosi a sacred figure then, above parody? Why so angry tonight?
Commenting on how a woman looks in professional circles is not irrelevant but demeaning to women. This isn't a fashion show or a beauty pageant. There is no parody and making jokes about how Nancy Pelosi looks, Laura Bush, and Barbara Bush, or whomever just doesn't matter. Just as much as making fun out of how Helen Thomas looks it stupid. It's sophomoric and has no place in politics.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:00:26am |
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Olsonist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:00:36am |
re: #1190 recusancy
Exactly. It's the patrician background. Same with Bush and it's what they had in common.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:06:32am |
re: #1191 Gus 802
Nonsense. The late night banter has more humour and I'm playing on iceweasel's visceral reaction to Pelosi, something I share as well. It is independent of her gender.
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recusancy Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:11:07am |
re: #1194 Bagua
You came up with Bozo the Clown as a male comparison.
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The Left Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:16:31am |
re: #1194 Bagua
Nonsense. The late night banter has more humour and I'm playing on iceweasel's visceral reaction to Pelosi, something I share as well. It is independent of her gender.
I can't be completely certain that my own visceral reaction doesn't have something to do with gender. For some of the reasons Olsonist gave above.
It's one of the reasons I suspect something ugly about myself lurking in the subconscious there. Not saying this applies to you by any means, but I think it is there for a lot of people, and I may be one of them.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:19:04am |
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The Left Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:19:48am |
re: #1191 Gus 802
Commenting on how a woman looks in professional circles is not irrelevant but demeaning to women. This isn't a fashion show or a beauty pageant. There is no parody and making jokes about how Nancy Pelosi looks, Laura Bush, and Barbara Bush, or whomever just doesn't matter. Just as much as making fun out of how Helen Thomas looks it stupid. It's sophomoric and has no place in politics.
Yes, and it happens on both the right and the left. A post about any female politician or pundit is always guaranteed to have comments about her looks almost immediately. Misogyny is everywhere on the political spectrum.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:20:01am |
re: #1194 Bagua
Nonsense. The late night banter has more humour and I'm playing on iceweasel's visceral reaction to Pelosi, something I share as well. It is independent of her gender.
It's not nonsense. The nonsense is what the stereotypical wingnuts do and that's to make fun out of Peolsi's looks. This is followed by a beauty pageant of "the girls of the right wing" which typically includes Debbie Schlussel, Michelle Malkin, or Ann Coulter. That's funny enough considering their average looks. But they even have "men of the right wing" at Right Wing News.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:22:01am |
re: #1198 iceweasel
Yes, and it happens on both the right and the left. A post about any female politician or pundit is always guaranteed to have comments about her looks almost immediately. Misogyny is everywhere on the political spectrum.
Lookism is bullshit. It's not even funny. These are the same people that make fun out of fat people or the mentally challenged.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:22:35am |
What is so funny about her 'looks'?
I said she was frightful, not that she looked funny.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:29:23am |
re: #1201 Bagua
What is so funny about her 'looks'?
I said she was frightful, not that she looked funny.
Well that does allude to looks. Not such a big deal with me and if you noticed I didn't down ding you like the supremely chronic butthurt.
//
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The Left Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:34:02am |
re: #1200 Gus 802
Lookism is bullshit. It's not even funny. These are the same people that make fun out of fat people or the mentally challenged.
Agreed. It's no coincidence that you'll also find general lookism in the places I'm thinking of- some of them lefty sites. 'Fat' comments or comments about the R word (and I don't mean Republican).
Fat prejudice will be the last to leave us, I think. Especially as for many it's tied to quasi-moral judgements and ideas about people 'lacking self-control'.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:36:16am |
re: #1202 Gus 802
Well that does allude to looks. Not such a big deal with me and if you noticed I didn't down ding you like the supremely chronic butthurt.
//
Indeed, I did notice my friend.
Please enlighten me as to an acceptable parody of Pelosi that would indicate a visceral reaction to her scary self without in anyway implying anything gender specific or other wise unacceptable.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:38:48am |
re: #1203 iceweasel
Agreed. It's no coincidence that you'll also find general lookism in the places I'm thinking of- some of them lefty sites. 'Fat' comments or comments about the R word (and I don't mean Republican).
Fat prejudice will be the last to leave us, I think. Especially as for many it's tied to quasi-moral judgements and ideas about people 'lacking self-control'.
True. I've heard it all before. Disney People. Fat people from Texas. Fat people from middle America. They used to focus on people from Ohio or Indiana. I always thought that was a bunch of bull. Lookism from the left is just as bad.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:48:25am |
re: #1204 Bagua
Indeed, I did notice my friend.
Please enlighten me as to an acceptable parody of Pelosi that would indicate a visceral reaction to her scary self without in anyway implying anything gender specific or other wise unacceptable.
Oh I don't know. Personality quirks. Class distinctions. Things more specific rather than generalized. Sort of like how we make fun out of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. We don't make fun out of how they look.
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ryannon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 4:33:10am |
re: #176 CapeCoddah
Thats one hell of an ego you tote around there, Ice.
We all tote our egos around, but no one likes to have the feeling that we have to constantly deal with someone else's at the same time. In a word or two, why go out of one's way to provoke? A head-on confrontation over specific issues is understandable, but to constantly employ what is perceived as pointless provocation by another poster is the antechamber of trolling. I suppose it's difficult to employ objective criteria, but everyone knows what I'm talking about. The wise individual lets forum antipathies rest. It's difficult enough just getting through our respective days without an additional burden of real or perceived aggression.
Over and out, from the Lone Kumbayaer.
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ryannon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 4:40:41am |
re: #1200 Gus 802
Lookism is bullshit. It's not even funny. These are the same people that make fun out of fat people or the mentally challenged.
I've never been known to make fun of FBV.
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harrylook Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:21:43am |
I just voted for Brown. No, I'm not a fanatical tea-partier who wants to see the birth certificate before my bunker is complete. I just want the out-of-control spending in Washington to stop. Also, I can't bring myself to vote for a candidate - Coakley - who treats the voters of this state with contempt and who thinks "there are no terrorists in Afghanistan." Also, her record as DA and AG sucks. Brown is a legitimate moderate Republican - we have a lot of good one's here in Mass. I'm proud to give him my vote.
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clarence Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:23:23am |
This election is a referendum on Obama, by his own making. You sound bitter Charles.
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The Left Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:24:26am |
re: #1210 clarence
This election is a referendum on Obama, by his own making. You sound bitter Charles.
Rubbish.
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clarence Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:29:09am |
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clarence Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:30:59am |
Charles' famous crying baby picture would be appropriate here.
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American-African Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:53:54am |
re: #64 Merryweather
Yeah, and he plans to vote against the healthcare reform bill, but he voted for Romney's healthcare plan in MA. The guy is full of contradictions. I think he's running to the center in order to get elected, and if he wins, will vote as a hardline conservative.
This is the kernel that most people are missing. He is a guided missile aimed at the healthcare reform bill. If Brown wins and reform is not passed before he is seated, the GOP will filibuster until that bill is dead. I do not believe his position on Roe will stand either once some of the right wing people who helped him return for their "thank you"
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mh Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:00:40am |
Just got back from voting for Change in MA. :D
The prospect of having *diversity* in representation is making me giddy.
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mh Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:05:02am |
Keith Olbermann's desperate last-minute delivery of a load of hot steaming BS:"Scott Brown is a homophobic racist teabagger who supports violence against women"
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clarence Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:23:18am |
re: #1216 mh
Keith Olbermann's desperate last-minute delivery of a load of hot steaming BS:"Scott Brown is a homophobic racist teabagger who supports violence against women"
What a class act he is and what high esteem he has for 50+% (?) of the Mass. electorate.
What a vicious bunch of bozos MSNBC's talking heads have shown themselves to be. Shultz with his "Republicans are BASTARDS!" and "I'd vote 10 times if I could" now Olberman with this?
Also, what is with using the fact that Brown drives a truck being a reason why you wouldn't vote for him as Kerry, Obama and Coakley have recently attempted in recent speeches. How totally out of touch with the average voter are these people?
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4Deuce Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:36:33am |
When Coakley's campaign cannot spell the name of the state she wants to represent in the Senate, says there are no terrorists in Afghanistan and then speaks of the seat she is running for as the exclusive property of the Kennedy clan, she shows herself as inept - utterly. Do the people of MA need this kind of walking embarrassment representing them in the Senate? Only a naive soul would want her there.
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Decider Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:03:20am |
Scott Brown may be endorsed by the Tea Baggers but he is not one of them.
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Decider Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:05:59am |
re: #1217 clarence
What a class act he is and what high esteem he has for 50+% (?) of the Mass. electorate.
What a vicious bunch of bozos MSNBC's talking heads have shown themselves to be. Shultz with his "Republicans are BASTARDS!" and "I'd vote 10 times if I could" now Olberman with this?
Also, what is with using the fact that Brown drives a truck being a reason why you wouldn't vote for him as Kerry, Obama and Coakley have recently attempted in recent speeches. How totally out of touch with the average voter are these people?
MSNBC is as much of a yellow journalism organization as Fox News. There simply is no need for 24 hour cable news.
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Aye Pod Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:09:31am |
A message for the holy remnant of unhappy wingnut anklebiters who were so active last night:
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wrenchwench Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:14:45am |
re: #1067 SFGoth
Both Hillbuzz and aconservativelesbian support Brown over Coakley, and in the formers' case, they claim to be a couple of/few gay moderate Dems and Hillary supporters. Maybe they are actually right wing trolls Yet Charles has the guy as a right wing nut. I don't get it. Read something that he's anti-partial birth but pro-choice. Could be wrong, but by definition if you are pro-choice, you can't be a right wing nut.
The second one you mention is in fact a nut of some sort. She is a big fan of RS McCain.
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wee fury Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:17:49am |
re: #1222 wrenchwench
The second one you mention is in fact a nut of some sort. She is a big fan of RS McCain.
I down-dinged you because . . . you seem to be attempting to bring up last night's cat fight.
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wee fury Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:18:47am |
re: #1223 wee fury
I down-dinged you because . . . you seem to be attempting to bring up last night's cat fight.
O, NO!!! This was not ment for you wrenchwench!!!! It was ment for Jimmah.
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wee fury Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:20:47am |
re: #1221 Jimmah
A message for the holy remnant of unhappy wingnut anklebiters who were so active last night:
I down-dinged you because . . . you seem to be attempting to bring up last night's cat fight
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Aye Pod Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:30:09am |
re: #1225 wee fury
Nope. Just having the last laugh. I hope you find downdings ticklish too, because I just gave you some back.
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webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:33:07am |
re: #1210 clarence
This election is a referendum on Obama, by his own making. You sound bitter Charles.
Seriously?
You really believe that bull shit you are shoveling.
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califleftyb Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:48:07am |
The motto of the American voter is "What have you done for me lately"? The Republicans were thoroughly trashed because of their multiple failures to reflect even their most basic ideology, fiscal conservancy, personal freedom, and a strong national defense. Now the Democrats have fallen into the same trap, becoming the party of putting special interests and lobbyists first. It seems that both parties can't get past thinking that "getting elected" is job #1. The imminent Brown election isn't saying "your too far to the left", its Do what you say you would! Until we have true campaign reform in this country - public financing only - it's not going to change. "Money doesn't talk, it swears" (Zimmie)
If Pres. Obama would lead this country with moral authority -- publicly challenging those Democrats in their own states who stand in the way, he would have the people behind him. Look at the backlash in Nebraska for that health care deal, you think people aren't po'ed? The day I see Obama speak again against mountain top removal in West Virginia I'll give him credit for being more then a political hack. I'm not holding my breath.
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Cforchange Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:06:04am |
While on the surface a GOP candidate like Brown should be a great thing. But the intra party rift over Life and Choice create candidacy's that are not quite forthright. If Brown is anti stem cell in addition to anti choice we will continue to feed the fire that Bush started in 2000. Maybe David Brook's pronouncement that we are moving right on the abortion issue was a white flag tossed to signify defeat. Yeah just imaganie the people of MA ushering in this new era of lacking personal liberty .
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sapient Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:14:54am |
re: #1 Walter L. Newton
Ditto--"not giving credit to the voters"...could never be that that people have looked and listened, and don't like what they see and hear.
BTW: just so I know....since the Right Wingers I know are focused on returning the nation to the Constitutional Republic as designed by our Founders, where, if nothing else the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, just what is it about that goal that us so abhorrent to those who use the term in such a derogatory way?
Just curious.
Anyone?
Oh...and surely you have something for which you will sacrifice it all that is more than abortion.
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po8crg Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:15:14am |
The timing on this is awful. I'd be fairly content with reinstating the filibuster once the health bill is through, but putting it in now (which is the effect if Brown wins) means that the (Dem) House will have to pass the Senate bill without any prospect of improving it by negotiation between the two houses.
Given that not passing healthcare would be completely suicidal for Democrats, having staked their entire political reputation on the issue - if they fail, November is going to be like 1994 - then healthcare will certainly pass, and if the only way to pass it is to pass the Senate bill unchanged, then that's what they will do.
So the effective choice in this election is between the Senate bill and a bill that negotiation between the House and Senate has a chance of improving.
On that basis, vote Coakley and give the power to the Blue Dogs.
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S'latch Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:15:55am |
It is difficult for me to imagine Massachusetts electing a Republican.
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Cforchange Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:48:54am |
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Oh...and surely you have something for which you will sacrifice it all that is more than abortion.
Haven't we sacrificed the economic stability of our county by selecting candidates that are not proficient in a business sense all to satisfy those who want current abortion rules abolished. It's difficult to see the last decade in any other light.
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mlog Tue, Jan 19, 2010 12:29:38pm |
Losing their super-majority may be the best thing for Democrats. I see two possibilities - one would be good, the other same-old same-old:
1) Losing the super-majority makes Democrats realize that they have to govern from the center - a good thing!
2) Losing the super-majority makes Democrats force Republicans into filibuster after filibuster so they can demonize Republicans as the party of no.
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Hawaii69 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:08:41pm |
re: #1232 Lawrence Schmerel
It is difficult for me to imagine Massachusetts electing a Republican.
The name "Mitt Romney" ring a bell?
4 out of the last 5 governors have been republicans.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 1:15:03pm |
re: #941 Charles
Charles, my apologies,,, that link should have said Terrorists, NOt Taliban. I was exhausted and typed the wrong word.
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jvic Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:49:21am |
re: #1013 Charles
re: #1014 recusancy
re: #1015 iceweasel
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In a sense, they agree on an issue more fundamental than many specifics they disagree about. They agree to have a war.
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