Republican Scott Brown has defeated Democrat Martha Coakley in Massachusetts, running on a platform driven by populist resentment, with a main plank of “killing” health insurance reform.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:44:47pm |
Coakley was pretty awful and ran a hideous campaign. It was a gimme and she gave it away.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:45:11pm |
also, 'lol populism' it has such a track record of good governance >>
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:46:02pm |
re: #2 windsagio
Coakley was pretty awful and ran a hideous campaign. It was a gimme and she gave it away.
Bingo! While sinking in the polls she really finisher herself off when she dissed the Red Sox. Major no-no in Mass.
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keloyd Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:46:10pm |
re: #2 windsagio
Coakley was pretty awful and ran a hideous campaign. It was a gimme and she gave it away.
Really? I've been watching MSNBC for an hour and they played no quotes at all of her making a gaffe, but about 3 dozen of Browns. I guess there's not time for both.
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Unakite Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:46:25pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:46:50pm |
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:46:59pm |
re: #8 NJDhockeyfan
Bingo! While sinking in the polls she really finisher herself off when she dissed the Red Sox. Major no-no in Mass.
/I am afraid that might actually have done it...
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lawrior Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:47:12pm |
And somehow, he managed to win without bringing up abortion or creationism, or otherwise making an embarrassment of himself. I can only hope that this becomes a trend.
In any case, huzzah!
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huggy77 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:47:20pm |
this was almost as big an upset as my jets beating the bolts this weekend...
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:47:38pm |
A depressing result, but by all accounts it was given away. I just hope this gives the Dems the wake up call they need.
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:47:42pm |
re: #2 windsagio
Coakley was pretty awful and ran a hideous campaign. It was a gimme and she gave it away.
right...BO was slammed, case closed
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:47:58pm |
Brown does not strike me as a wild eyed right wing radical. If he had been like that, Mass would not have elected him.
Congratulations SENATOR-ELECT Brown from the great Commonwealth of Massachusetts!
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:48:35pm |
re: #18 albusteve
*cough* because everything is about Obama, right?
I think theres a term for that I've heard around here somewhere...
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:48:40pm |
re: #5 windsagio
also, 'lol populism' it has such a track record of good governance >>
you want AmIdol politics?...you got some tonight
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The Shadow Do Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:48:55pm |
Definitely a populist backlash. While not a way to govern a country, it is the damper on political hubris - shared with both parties equally. Pretty darn American all in all.
Folks are making it clear that if you are going to take my money and then spend it without clear and convincing accountability, then you will need to find another line of work. Good.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:49:05pm |
This Republican Party victory is cleary the fault of the Republican Party.
Howard Dean
//
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:49:17pm |
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LotharBot Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:49:21pm |
re: #13 lawrior
And somehow, he managed to win without bringing up abortion or creationism, or otherwise making an embarrassment of himself. I can only hope that this becomes a trend.
Yes Please!
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:49:52pm |
"You hear that? It's the world's smallest violin."
- Mr. Pink
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:49:58pm |
re: #17 Jimmah
A depressing result, but by all accounts it was given away. I just hope this gives the Dems the wake up call they need.
i don't feel depressed at all ...
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:50:04pm |
re: #17 Jimmah
A depressing result, but by all accounts it was given away. I just hope this gives the Dems the wake up call they need.
the same old addage...forget Brown was wildly more popular
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webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:50:04pm |
re: #2 windsagio
Coakley was pretty awful and ran a hideous campaign. It was a gimme and she gave it away.
She was and Tim Kaine might want to re-think whatever strategy the DNC was using.
Brown ran a better campaign, got people excited and while being a pol was able to paint himself as an "outsider" while making people see Coakley as part of the Washington establishment (kinda of amazing that). She should have gotten a truck.
But crongrats to the Republicans it was won fair and square.
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:50:11pm |
re: #14 huggy77
this was almost as big an upset as my jets beating the bolts this weekend...
Except for the part where millions of uninsured americans slowly wilt and die while politicians spit at each other with the same brand of nonsense.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:50:23pm |
re: #13 lawrior
And somehow, he managed to win without bringing up abortion or creationism, or otherwise making an embarrassment of himself. I can only hope that this becomes a trend.
In any case, huzzah!
He didn't have to do anything. He just let Marsha talk herself out of a Senate seat.
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The Curmudgeon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:50:28pm |
Note to national GOP: Scott Brown isn't a "social conservative." All of those issues were strikingly absent from his campaign.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:50:30pm |
re: #5 windsagio
also, 'lol populism' it has such a track record of good governance >>
Obama just got his left testicle handed to him by the people of Mass.
They showed him who the real boss is.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:50:48pm |
re: #2 windsagio
Coakley was pretty awful and ran a hideous campaign. It was a gimme and she gave it away.
So, what was BHO's role? Even *he* coiuldn't save Kennedy's seat?
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SteveC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:50:49pm |
re: #8 NJDhockeyfan
Bingo! While sinking in the polls she really finisher herself off when she dissed the Red Sox. Major no-no in Mass.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops. - Green Fields of the Mind, by A. Bartlett Giamatti
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:50:54pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:51:05pm |
re: #20 windsagio
*cough* because everything is about Obama, right?
I think theres a term for that I've heard around here somewhere...
in this case yes, it is very much about BO...deny it all you want
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:51:16pm |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:51:28pm |
Republican Scott Brown has defeated Democrat Martha Coakley in Massachusetts, running on a platform driven by populist resentment with a main plank of “killing” health insurance reform.
It didn't hurt him either that Coakley sucked.
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Right Handed Neutrino Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:51:37pm |
Well it would be a lie to say I wasn't rooting for the Democratic candidate, but I guess we'll have to see what repercussions this has in the long run. What I can guarantee you however is that in the short run, Glenn Beck et al. are going to break their own record for obnoxiousness.
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torrentprime Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:51:42pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:51:51pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:51:55pm |
re: #24 Gus 802
This Republican Party victory is cleary the fault of the Republican Party.
Howard Dean
//
YEEEAARRRGGH!
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:51:57pm |
re: #38 Spare O'Lake
Obama just got his left testicle handed to him by the people of Mass.
They showed him who the real boss is.
Do you often cheer when the people of this country fail?
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huggy77 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:52:33pm |
re: #18 albusteve
i am sure it was this and not the message... Its not like this bucked a 50 year trend in the state. Same thing with NJ... Horrid candidate, not the message...
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jayzee Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:52:40pm |
re: #39 MandyManners
So, what was BHO's role? Even *he* coiuldn't save Kennedy's seat?
Nor Corzine's, but he wasn't really trying. /
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rwmofo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:52:42pm |
Matthews just listed a few other democrats who need to be worried.
...and they still haven't figured out (admitted) what the problem is.
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imploder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:53:00pm |
I know this place has started leaning left for reasons unknown (the groupthink on gorebull warming comes to mind) so I wonder how this will sit with the regular denizens around these parts.
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solomonpanting Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:53:02pm |
re: #13 lawrior
And somehow, he managed to win without bringing up abortion or creationism, or otherwise making an embarrassment of himself.
It's not Kennedy's seat, it's the people's seat.
Can't you see the code words for abortion and creationism in the above?
/
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:53:03pm |
re: #19 _RememberTonyC
Brown does not strike me as a wild eyed right wing radical. If he had been like that, Mass would not have elected him.
Congratulations SENATOR-ELECT Brown from the great Commonwealth of Massachusetts!
He wasn't a single-issue candidate, nor was this a single issue campaign, unless we want to say that health care reform was the overriding issue.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:53:09pm |
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:53:12pm |
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:53:12pm |
re: #28 TheMatrix31
"You hear that? It's the world's smallest violin."
- Mr. Pink
Oh, I gots a nano-violin!
/Wanna borrow it?...If I can remember where I put the damned thing...
:)
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lostlakehiker Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:53:16pm |
Brown won, but Republicans must not attribute to this deliverance the aspects of a victory. The people are just wary of an overly ambitious and ill-considered Democrat agenda. Once the Dems have been put on notice, and they have been, the same voters will be glad enough to see Democrats have the greater share of a shared governance. They just don't want an all-Democrat political system enacting whatever it likes, no matter who doesn't like it.
If Republicans want to reenter mainstream governance and have the presidency and at least one branch of the legislature from time to time, they've got to come toward the middle and acknowledge that science is valid, that health care does need some kind of reform, and so on. And they've got to put together a cadre of governors who have walked the walk and executed a Republican agenda in their state, and made a thumping success of it.
Bobby Jindal would have been the man had he not gone off the deep end, choosing religion as his science teacher for questions of public policy and education. Now we need somebody else.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:53:24pm |
re: #17 Jimmah
A depressing result, but by all accounts it was given away. I just hope this gives the Dems the wake up call they need.
BUTTHURT CENTRAL!!!
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:53:31pm |
re: #49 idioma
Do you often cheer when the people of this country fail?
no, that's the point... the people did NOT fail.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:53:39pm |
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Ojoe Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:53:41pm |
Now let's:
Tackle unemployment
Get a handle on the deficit
Stop the export of jobs
Rebuild the industrial base of the nation
Control the borders
& get the closet theocrats away from politics.
I don't care what party you are in if you do that,
Signed, typical american person.
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Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:53:42pm |
re: #2 windsagio
Coakley was pretty awful and ran a hideous campaign. It was a gimme and she gave it away.
That's what the spin docs would have you believe, and there is some truth to that. She was a horrible candidate.
The people of MA didn't vote for a candidate of a party.
They voted against the winds of hope and change.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:53:50pm |
Last Republican Senator in Massachusettes:
Edward William Brooke, III (born October 26, 1919), is an American politician and was the first African American to be elected by popular vote to the United States Senate when he was elected as a Republican from Massachusetts in 1966, defeating his Democratic opponent, Endicott Peabody, 58%–42%. He was also the first African American elected to the Senate since the 19th century, and would remain the only person of African heritage sent to the Senate in the 20th century until Democrat Carol Moseley Braun in 1993...
In office: January 3, 1967 – January 3, 1979
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rwmofo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:54:26pm |
re: #54 imploder
I know this place has started leaning left for reasons unknown (the groupthink on gorebull warming comes to mind) so I wonder how this will sit with the regular denizens around these parts.
I'm so happy I could drop a log.
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WaveriderCA Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:54:36pm |
re: #22 idioma
This is why we can't have nice things.
You mean like legislation that spans over 2000 pages and accomplishes very little while throwing oodles of money around? I don't want nice things then.
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jayzee Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:54:48pm |
re: #58 windsagio
re: #39 MandyManners
See my 20.
I think Obama made a mistake coming out for what was a lost cause, but he probably didn't have much choice.
Also1: I smell some wishful thinking. you guys really hate Obama, don't ya?
Also2: Mandy, I love how you always use "BHO"...
I don't hate Obama. I DO think he will be a better president once the GOP regains congress though. Did wonders for Clinton.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:54:54pm |
re: #38 Spare O'Lake
Obama just got his left testicle handed to him by the people of Mass.
They showed him who the real boss is.
"It was a thumpin'. "
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:55:03pm |
re: #51 huggy77
i am sure it was this and not the message... Its not like this bucked a 50 year trend in the state. Same thing with NJ... Horrid candidate, not the message...
that's exactly what they said about Mccain...hahaha...Kennedy is dirt in MA, Kerry will be chasing his tail and BO has nothing to do with it!...got it
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:55:09pm |
re: #62 brookly red
no, that's the point... the people did NOT fail.
Does it concern you that the Tea Party Backed him?
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webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:55:11pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:55:12pm |
re: #57 NJDhockeyfan
That was beautiful.
Go Cubs!
It'll be a better year for them, with Soriano back in shape and Bradley gone. This year won't be Next Year, but it'll be a better year.
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:55:56pm |
re: #70 WaveriderCA
You mean like legislation that spans over 2000 pages and accomplishes very little while throwing oodles of money around? I don't want nice things then.
Did you get that rant from Fox News or did you make it up yourself?
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:56:02pm |
re: #31 albusteve
the same old addage...forget Brown was wildly more popular
Run a shitty candidate who hardly bothers to campaign at all and you'll find that the opposition will come out more popular.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:56:21pm |
re: #46 torrentprime
Keep thinking that. The Ds beg you. :)
Let the spin begin.
And watch for the Dems to start eating their own tails.
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:56:24pm |
re: #72 windsagio
That's populism for ya :p
BO's election was populism in the extreme...what goes round, comes round
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:56:30pm |
re: #71 jayzee
Yeah, Clinton did so well that he just destroyed my Dad's business and forced us to move to this hellhole called Los Angeles! YAY FOR CLINTON!
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jayzee Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:56:33pm |
re: #75 idioma
Does it concern you that the Tea Party Backed him?
If he backed the tea party, that would concern me. But he didn't.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:56:37pm |
re: #75 idioma
Does it concern you that the Tea Party Backed him?
Not one bit... didn't bother the people of MA either it would seem.
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:56:48pm |
re: #75 idioma
Does it concern you that the Tea Party Backed him?
It concerns me that some people think that the tea party is an absolute barometer of all things. Ooooh, the Tea Party likes Joe - Joe must be bad!
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Mich-again Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:56:55pm |
Ted Kennedy's legacy just got an asterisk. After a 47 year career the Dems couldn't hold his seat.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:57:08pm |
re: #54 imploder
I know this place has started leaning left for reasons unknown (the groupthink on gorebull warming comes to mind) so I wonder how this will sit with the regular denizens around these parts.
Fuck off. The conservative denizens are celebrating. The liberal denizens are grumpy and do not need any guff out of you.
'Gorebull warming'? And you're accusing people here of 'groupthink'?
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brent Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:57:11pm |
rere: #65 Ojoe
Now let's:
Tackle unemployment
Get a handle on the deficit
Stop the export of jobs
You're spot on - if this is a referendum, it's on an administration dead set on getting healthcare passed while a dozen other issues more pressing are ignored. I'd vote for healthcare (maybe) if I thought that I'd have a job for the foreseeable future; for the first time in 20 years, I don't feel secure in that.
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dmelroy Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:57:14pm |
I think the point made earlier in the comments hit it right on..
re: #23 The Shadow Do
Folks are making it clear that if you are going to take my money and then spend it without clear and convincing accountability, then you will need to find another line of work. Good.
Add to that the fact that this puts up the speed brakes a bit on any kind of legislation running unimpeded through congress will be good for all.
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Big Steve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:57:17pm |
From what I could see from afar, Scott Brown is a moderate Republican. He seems grounded to me and not prone to the excesses of the rhetoric of the right. He ran a smart campaign, a page taken from Obama. He did not embarrass himself and he did not embarrass those of us who have a more conservative bent. He ran against the health reform bill and that is fine by me and moreover it does prove that this bill does NOT have the support of independents.
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jayzee Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:57:31pm |
re: #82 TheMatrix31
Yeah, Clinton did so well that he just destroyed my Dad's business and forced us to move to this hellhole called Los Angeles! YAY FOR CLINTON!
Imagine what his presidency would've been like if congress had stayed dem. Seriously.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:57:53pm |
Oh, and BTW, here's a hearty "FUCK YOU" to the notiion that a seat in the U.S. Senate is OWED to either the Democrats or the Kennedy family.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:57:54pm |
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Ojoe Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:57:57pm |
re: #40 SteveC
and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
I distinctly remember turning off the radio after the last game of the season.
Click.
& If my team was in the series, well there were a few more games, but then click also.
Football wouldn't do.
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cenotaphium Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:58:07pm |
Question:
Can anyone explain what can be done to stop the health care bill at this point? Will this extra seat actually help that cause?
Note: I'm just a Swede with a poor grasp of your governance system, but from what I can tell it's been approved and awaits consolidation and funding? So can it be killed by strangling the funding?
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imploder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:58:10pm |
re: #79 Jimmah
Run a shitty candidate who hardly bothers to campaign at all and you'll find that the opposition will come out more popular.
rationalize how you like, this is fucking Mass we are talking about, and Ted Kennedy's old seat to boot. He's currently doing so many revolutions in his grave that we could solve the whole, "global warming" problem by hooking him up to a dyno/generator.
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:58:17pm |
Coakley ran about as bad a campaign as one could have hoped for if you were a Brown supporter. Every unforced error you can imagine was made, and every break seemingly went Brown's way. Brown benefited from the anger over health care reform, and to do so in a race to succeed Kennedy is ironic.
Ironic may actually be too weak a word for this situation, but when Democrats were already pointing fingers even before the first vote was cast, you knew things weren't going for the Democrats today. You don't go looking for scapegoats even before the election is held, yet that's what had been happening for the past couple of days.
Now, will both parties take the right lessons from this election outcome? I doubt it.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:58:18pm |
I was pretty sure a dead cat could be elected in MA as long as it ran as:
Dead Cat (D)
I still think that is largely true and that this election runs a lot deeper than a weak individual candidate though many will argue otherwise.
The message, just as it was in 2008, is straighten the hell up Washington!
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:58:22pm |
re: #79 Jimmah
Run a shitty candidate who hardly bothers to campaign at all and you'll find that the opposition will come out more popular.
yeah, sure...don't you love it? voters expressing their distaste for Kennedy, BO, and their increasingly unpopular ideology?
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:58:25pm |
re: #79 Jimmah
Run a shitty candidate who hardly bothers to campaign at all and you'll find that the opposition will come out more popular.
Spin. Spin. Spin.
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rwmofo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:58:29pm |
re: #58 windsagio
"you guys really hate Obama, don't ya?"
No, I don't hate anybody. Just because we have ideological disagreements doesn't mean hate had something to do with it. I disagreed with just about everything Bill Clinton stood for--except the shared position that Mrs. Clinton was one of the nation's leading causes of erectile dysfunction--but I never hated him.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:58:33pm |
re: #79 Jimmah
Run a shitty candidate who hardly bothers to campaign at all and you'll find that the opposition will come out more popular.
Coakley acted as if she were ENTITLED to the seat and her arrogance did her in.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:58:35pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:58:50pm |
re: #75 idioma
Does it concern you that the Tea Party Backed him?
Not really. I'm glad he won. The nuts made the decision to support him, he didn't court them.
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webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:58:58pm |
re: #93 MandyManners
Oh, and BTW, here's a hearty "FUCK YOU" to the notiion that a seat in the U.S. Senate is OWED to either the Democrats or the Kennedy family.
Or any family or party.
They really do belong to us...
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:59:14pm |
re: #96 sloop
I see we'll have an influx of haters tonight.
Tool.
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SteveC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:59:19pm |
re: #57 NJDhockeyfan
That was beautiful.
Go Cubs!
You get the feeling that Billy Chapel isn't pitching against left handers, he isn't pitching against pinch hitters, he isn't pitching against the Yankees. He's pitching against time. He's pitching against the future, against age, and even when you think about his career, against ending. And tonight I think he might be able to use that aching old arm one more time to push the sun back up in the sky and give us one more day of summer. - Vin Scully, For Love of the Game
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:59:20pm |
re: #106 _RememberTonyC
exactly.
PS: Do you remember me calling you a troll ever? It was mentioned last thread, and I'm trying to figure it out.
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:59:24pm |
re: #85 cliffster
It concerns me that some people think that the tea party is an absolute barometer of all things. Ooooh, the Tea Party likes Joe - Joe must be bad!
Would you support a candidate backed by the KKK? Where do you draw the line on crazy?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:59:25pm |
re: #96 sloop
What planet are you from?
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MisterCookie Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:59:27pm |
Whoever wins, we lose. This win will embolden the tea partiers and extremists who believe their rhetoric to be effective.
On the bright side, at least Coakley got her comeuppance for the Amirault fiasco.
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Ojoe Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:59:34pm |
re: #89 brent
I've had no real buildings to design for more than a year & no future rumblings do I hear at the moment either.
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firepilot Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:59:36pm |
Congrats to the people of Mass, and to Scott Brown. It was not Marcia Coakley running a bad campaign, it was Scott Brown running a very good campaign too
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:59:37pm |
Coakley's the Dallas Cowboys of congressional politics.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:59:41pm |
re: #92 jayzee
Yeah, maybe we would have been forced to move and lose all the money and success we built up five years earlier than we did?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:59:41pm |
re: #58 windsagio
re: #39 MandyManners
See my 20.
I think Obama made a mistake coming out for what was a lost cause, but he probably didn't have much choice.
Also1: I smell some wishful thinking. you guys really hate Obama, don't ya?
Also2: Mandy, I love how you always use "BHO"...
The really hard-core Obama haters flounced long ago.
There are many folks who believe that Obama's vision for the country as he expressed it during his campaign is not the best route to take. That doesn't mean we "hate Obama". It simply means we are in disagreement with policies.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:59:52pm |
re: #86 Mich-again
Ted Kennedy's legacy just got an asterisk. After a 47 year career the Dems couldn't hold his seat.
Ted Kennedy spent his career trying to get health care reform passed. I find it ironic that the seat he held for so long may be the same one that will kill the very bill he tried so hard to pass.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:00:05pm |
re: #54 imploder
I know this place has started leaning left for reasons unknown (the groupthink on gorebull warming comes to mind) so I wonder how this will sit with the regular denizens around these parts.
That's uncool no matter how you slice it.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:00:09pm |
re: #79 Jimmah
Run a shitty candidate who hardly bothers to campaign at all and you'll find that the opposition will come out more popular.
Liberal Butthurt™ detected...
level: Smarting!
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:00:18pm |
Dinner is done, drinks await, and the Dragon_Lady and I will rejoin the party later. Congrats to all who worked so hard for Brown, I have walked precincts, done phone banks etc. Hard work rarely rewarded. Thanks for making the system work. Fairlky won gentlemen. Now, stay classy, don't gloat and get to the peoples work.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:00:25pm |
Question.
If George Bush were President of the United States today, what chance would Brown had against Coakley?
Dean Wormer says?... Zero. Point. Zero.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:00:42pm |
re: #54 imploder
I know this place has started leaning left for reasons unknown (the groupthink on gorebull warming comes to mind) so I wonder how this will sit with the regular denizens around these parts.
Lurk and learn.
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tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:00:44pm |
re: #102 albusteve
I saw interviews with registered Democrats, as well as independents, and they basically said the same thing: enough with the arrogance of the Democrats here, enough with the health care bill being shoved at us. Not once did I hear some one say ' tea party'. But ....you know the MSM will look high and low until they find one to interview.
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:00:49pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
Not really. I'm glad he won. The nuts made the decision to support him, he didn't court them.
And I'm sure they won't ask for any favors now that he's been elected.
///
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:00:57pm |
re: #114 iceweasel
I see we'll have an influx of haters tonight.
Tool.
The report button is your friend!
And Charles's.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:00:58pm |
re: #126 reine.de.tout
I think there are still a few around :p
(Oop, I'll stop, we just had this conversation over about 300 posts last thread :p)
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:01:11pm |
I, for one, cannot wait for million of of more Americans to join me in bankruptcy due to medical bills while the companies pay dividends to the shareholders. Profits over people baby!
I feel that unseen hand of the market doing something to me and it is probably obscene and illegal...
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:01:14pm |
re: #113 sloop
I'd call you a half-wit but, that would exagerat the situation.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:01:23pm |
re: #117 windsagio
exactly.
PS: Do you remember me calling you a troll ever? It was mentioned last thread, and I'm trying to figure it out.
i have never been called a troll by anyone on this board
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:01:29pm |
re: #117 windsagio
exactly.
PS: Do you remember me calling you a troll ever? It was mentioned last thread, and I'm trying to figure it out.
he was not there...I explained that several times...don't be a twit
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:01:37pm |
re: #113 sloop
Get lost, you troll! Can't we enjoy a victory without you idiot flouncers?!
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solomonpanting Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:01:42pm |
re: #106 _RememberTonyC
Coakley acted as if she were ENTITLED to the seat and her arrogance did her in.
Well, the arrogance was on loan from Obama, Pelosi and Reid.
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LotharBot Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:01:46pm |
Overall, it's a huge win for the country to have a candidate elected on a platform of "lower taxes, lower government spending, and shut up about abortion, creationism, and stem cells".
It's a minor loss for the country that Tea Party wackadoos will think of this as "their" win.
On balance, I'll take it.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:01:49pm |
re: #118 idioma
Would you support a candidate backed by the KKK? Where do you draw the line on crazy?
I think you just did that just fine...
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:01:49pm |
re: #106 _RememberTonyC
Coakley acted as if she were ENTITLED to the seat and her arrogance did her in.
That.
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:01:50pm |
re: #140 celticdragon
I, for one, cannot wait for million of of more Americans to join me in bankruptcy due to medical bills while the companies pay dividends to the shareholders. Profits over people baby!
I feel that unseen hand of the market doing something to me and it is probably obscene and illegal...
I regret that I have but one upding to give.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:01:52pm |
re: #118 idioma
Where do I draw the line on crazy? People who support trillions of dollars spent for no good reason. People who support public option healthcare. People who want to destroy our economy and chase ghosts by pushing for cap-n-trade measure.
THOSE people are crazy. I don't give a shit who supports people like Scott Brown. If it means it keeps the people I listed ABOVE out of power, then I dont give a damn.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:02:00pm |
re: #49 idioma
Do you often cheer when the people of this country fail?
I'm not crazy about the way Spare O'Lake expressed himself there - but what do you see has having failed?
The voters of Massachusetts went to the polls and made their choice. How is that a "failure"?
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:02:04pm |
re: #130 Bagua
Liberal Butthurt™ detected...
level: Smarting!
Heh. You wish.
I'm pleased to see the word 'butthurt' is apparently now sanctioned by those who once hated it, though. That should be one argument that never happens again here. :-)
Butthurt for all!!1!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:02:06pm |
re: #96 sloop
Lizards are united! Oh, happy day!
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:02:07pm |
Some words for my fellow Democrats:
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:02:26pm |
re: #124 Mad Al-Jaffee
Coakley's the Dallas Cowboys of congressional politics.
groan....your gonna burn for that one
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keloyd Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:02:29pm |
re: #36 The Curmudgeon
Note to national GOP: Scott Brown isn't a "social conservative." All of those issues were strikingly absent from his campaign.
THIS! (if that is the correct use of the internetese word) I will go further and say he does not seem to be a populist, though he seems popular. His actual positions are old-school Republican orthodoxy, before Fox News, Beck, and Palin got all mavericky. He wants government small, taxes low, and seems not too heavy handed on social issues. He is pro choice on the whole. Richard Nixon and Bill Buckley would recognize this guy as one of us.
The Tea Partiers may have supported Brown, but I am not aware that he kissed up to them more than he had to as a successful politician. (Full disclosure, I'm not in the state, so only get arm's length national media coverage.)
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CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:02:44pm |
re: #2 windsagio
Coakley was pretty awful and ran a hideous campaign. It was a gimme and she gave it away.
Actually, the credit goes to a record number of voters who are not amused.
Nothing she could have done would have cleaned up what she is. We have had enough of that. We took back our state tonight.
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:02:44pm |
re: #126 reine.de.tout
The really hard-core Obama haters flounced long ago.
There are many folks who believe that Obama's vision for the country as he expressed it during his campaign is not the best route to take. That doesn't mean we "hate Obama". It simply means we are in disagreement with policies.
I don't hate him but, I despise his politics.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:02:56pm |
re: #138 Floral Giraffe
The report button is your friend!
And Charles's.
Believe me, I'd hit that. And did!
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researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:03:06pm |
Brown could not have won without a lot of support from disaffected Democrats in an overwhelmingly Democrat state, which voted overwhelmingly for Barack Obama.
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Baier Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:03:09pm |
I'm relieved, but not optimistic. I guess I'm happy that sloppy health care turd may be flushed, but no party is blameless for this partisan mess.
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tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:03:15pm |
re: #58 windsagio
Do you have a problem with JFK? FDR? LBJ?
W.T. F.
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Ojoe Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:03:17pm |
re: #115 SteveC
Vin Sculley, I listened to him broadcast the Dodgers for years.
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Mich-again Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:03:17pm |
re: #127 NJDhockeyfan
Ted Kennedy spent his career trying to get health care reform passed. I find it ironic that the seat he held for so long may be the same one that will kill the very bill he tried so hard to pass.
The irony is dripping there huh. The Dems lose Kennedy's seat, and the health care bill goes in the ditch.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:03:19pm |
re: #144 sloop
Get lost, fool.
/My report button finger is on a hair trigger.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:03:26pm |
re: #144 sloop
Your rock is over there >
May I suggest you return beneath it?
Sooner rather than later?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:03:27pm |
re: #139 windsagio
I think there are still a few around :p
(Oop, I'll stop, we just had this conversation over about 300 posts last thread :p)
There may be.
I try to ignore them.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:03:38pm |
re: #99 lawhawk
I probably up-ding you too quickly. I almost simply up-ding when I see your nic. But, I read anyway and then up-ding. And I am always glad that I read your post.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:03:42pm |
re: #127 NJDhockeyfan
Ted Kennedy spent his career trying to get health care reform passed. I find it ironic that the seat he held for so long may be the same one that will kill the very bill he tried so hard to pass.
Be careful, Cato may log on. It's not truly Ironic...
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Digital Display Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:03:57pm |
Jeez what a painful concession speech!
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:03:58pm |
re: #152 TheMatrix31
Where do I draw the line on crazy? People who support trillions of dollars spent for no good reason.
You mean like sending hundreds of thousands of troops to Iraq? Spending Trillions on an unnecessary war is okay? Last time I checked that was the GOP.
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imploder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:04:00pm |
I see it as a solid rebuke of Keynesian economic policies by citizens of one of the most liberal states in the union. hahahahahahahaahah
Score.
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:04:03pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:04:07pm |
re: #152 TheMatrix31
Where do I draw the line on crazy? People who support trillions of dollars spent for no good reason. People who support public option healthcare. People who want to destroy our economy and chase ghosts by pushing for cap-n-trade measure.
THOSE people are crazy. I don't give a shit who supports people like Scott Brown. If it means it keeps the people I listed ABOVE out of power, then I dont give a damn.
Quite Concur!
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:04:19pm |
re: #163 researchok
Brown could not have won without a lot of support from disaffected Democrats in an overwhelmingly Democrat state, which voted overwhelmingly for Barack Obama.
liberals don't want to hear that...cannibalism
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:04:21pm |
re: #118 idioma
Would you support a candidate backed by the KKK? Where do you draw the line on crazy?
I absolutely would pay no attention to the KKK in making a decision.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:04:26pm |
re: #154 iceweasel
Heh. You wish.
I'm pleased to see the word 'butthurt' is apparently now sanctioned by those who once hated it, though. That should be one argument that never happens again here. :-)Butthurt for all!!1!
Nope.
I ain't gonna use it.
Nope.
Never.
Forget it.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:04:32pm |
re: #120 MisterCookie
Whoever wins, we lose. This win will embolden the tea partiers and extremists who believe their rhetoric to be effective.
On the bright side, at least Coakley got her comeuppance for the Amirault fiasco.
No doubt the loons will try to claim it. But they would be wrong, unless you see Mr. Brown as one of them of course.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:04:34pm |
re: #161 iceweasel
Me, too. Nasty thing, crawling out & spouting that garbage!
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UncleMonkey Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:04:42pm |
Shocking upset? Yes. Too bad it won't change anything. Party A pisses everyone off, so they sweep Party B into power. Party B thinks that means the public has given them a mandate to run hog wild and they do. People get mad at Party B and put Party A back in power. Party A thinks that means that they have a mandate to do what ever they want, and they do. People get mad at Party A and... et cetera, et cetera, et cetera ad infinitum.
The good news? It's the same good news that any of us can ever hope for: congressional gridlock. WOOOHOOOOOO!
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:04:47pm |
re: #61 MandyManners
BUTTHURT CENTRAL!!!
Funny, because I seem to remember you calling for your fainting couch a little while back at the sight of that word on account of it's alleged 'digusting meaning' or whatever. Glad to see you now realise what a load of shite that argument was.
I'll just repost what I said downstairs on the correct use of this fantastic word, that you have now at last embraced, but sadly don't yet understand how to use :
They're trying hard to harness the power of the word 'butthurt':
"An inappropriately strong negative emotional response from a perceived personal insult. Characterized by strong feelings of shame. Frequently associated with a cessation of communication and overt hostility towards the "aggressor.""
But they don't know how to use it appropriately, thinking to apply it (as in this case) any time someone experiences a setback, or even more commonly, just anytime they feel like annoying someone.
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tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:04:51pm |
Wow, it's a flouce-a-palooza.
Like stepping out of a car into a mud puddle in your strappy stilettos.
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brent Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:04:57pm |
re: #122 Ojoe
I've had no real buildings to design for more than a year ..blockquote>
20+ year software engineer going on the market in Q2, watching my state and my company spiral down the drain. I may be in the boat where some of these policies would benefit me personally, and I still can't get behind them. Populism? I've watched a year and a half of the kind of populism that stretched the Depression into a decade long event. Business is not the enemy, not without being hand in glove with government...
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:05:01pm |
re: #39 MandyManners
So, what was BHO's role? Even *he* coiuldn't save Kennedy's seat?
Well, there were already recriminations that he didn't move to help Coakley early enough, and that her campaign was ran hideously - the blame game is going to provide rich fodder on that front.
Obama was already trying to distance himself from the bad campaign.
But we've got yet more evidence that Obama's coattails aren't reaching out to other candidates - he couldn't help Corzine and he couldn't help Coakley (and he didn't make a move to help Bill Thompson in a race that a single appearance of support could have been sufficient to give the win in NYC's mayor's race).
That's probably a function of the economy - a bad economy isn't going to help the incumbents so with more incumbents being Democrats at the moment, that means they've got more seats at stake.
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:05:08pm |
re: #152 TheMatrix31
THOSE people are crazy. I don't give a shit who supports people like Scott Brown. If it means it keeps the people I listed ABOVE out of power, then I dont give a damn.
That kind of thinking is what gets us into trouble. You need to learn a little bit more about history.
Go read a book. Come back when you are less ignorant.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:05:09pm |
re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I probably up-ding you too quickly. I almost simply up-ding when I see your nic. But, I read anyway and then up-ding. And I am always glad that I read your post.
I do the same, FBV.
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Big Steve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:05:35pm |
And Mr President, as you ponder the meaning of this election in Massachusetts........its about JOBS. Cut the crap with health insurance, rescuing this that or the other and get the economy cranking on JOBS......
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:05:39pm |
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:06:13pm |
re: #195 Big Steve
And Mr President, as you ponder the meaning of this election in Massachusetts...its about JOBS. Cut the crap with health insurance, rescuing this that or the other and get the economy cranking on JOBS...
private sector ones...
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MandyManners Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:06:46pm |
re: #154 iceweasel
Heh. You wish.
I'm pleased to see the word 'butthurt' is apparently now sanctioned by those who once hated it, though. That should be one argument that never happens again here. :-)Butthurt for all!!1!
No. I turned it back on those who have brought it to LGF. And, I did so with a disclaimer.
Now, why don't you distract us all with a video of two cat's fucking?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:07:11pm |
re: #194 sloop
This troll seems to be fixated on gayness. Methinks the troll doth protest too much.
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Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:07:13pm |
Friendly Public Service Announcement;
Don't quote the trolls.
That is all.
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Ojoe Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:07:22pm |
re: #190 brent
No business is not the enemy, but maybe the combination of banks and shameless politicians has been.
BBL
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Big Steve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:07:22pm |
re: #195 Big Steve
And Mr President, as you ponder the meaning of this election in Massachusetts...its about JOBS. Cut the crap with health insurance, rescuing this that or the other and get the economy cranking on private sector JOBS...
thanks B-Red
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:07:26pm |
re: #152 TheMatrix31
People who support public option healthcare. People who want to destroy our economy and chase ghosts by pushing for cap-n-trade measure.
The majority of this country support a public option.
Do you consider the majority of scientific data to be "ghosts". What is your answer to climate change? Should I pray to an invisible sky daddy until things get better? Because that's the loudest alternative around right now, and I reject it entirely.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:07:27pm |
“For the first time in my adult lifetime,
I'm really proud of my ..." state.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:07:40pm |
Karma: -66
sloop
(Logged in)
Registered since: Apr 30, 2006 at 3:07 pm
No. of comments posted: 42
No. of links posted: 0
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:07:47pm |
re: #192 idioma
Me? Ignorant? You're the one throwing out stupid ass talking points from like, 2004. This isn't the Kerry/Bush election. Stop it with that nonsense.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:07:49pm |
re: #54 imploder
I know this place has started leaning left for reasons unknown (the groupthink on gorebull warming comes to mind) so I wonder how this will sit with the regular denizens around these parts.
You could always try to actually read the comments here, rather than spouting ignorant falsehoods spoon fed to you by haters.
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:07:50pm |
As I comprehend the fact that the Maine twins are now the heads of the Democratic Party I realize I need to go get some alcohol, and I like the Maine Twins.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:08:01pm |
re: #35 NJDhockeyfan
He didn't have to do anything. He just let Marsha talk herself out of a Senate seat.
He worked his ass off, Martha went on vacation, literally.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:08:02pm |
re: #154 iceweasel
Heh. You wish.
I'm pleased to see the word 'butthurt' is apparently now sanctioned by those who once hated it, though. That should be one argument that never happens again here. :-)Butthurt for all!!1!
Nope. Not sanctioned by me. Still, I don't care enough to get into it.
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Ojoe Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:08:03pm |
re: #200 sloop
This is a blog for rational discussion. Go away.
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MisterCookie Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:08:10pm |
Ah, a good ole' fashioned flounce. You don't see enough of those these days. Oh wait…
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sswenviron Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:08:10pm |
Old Chappaquiddick Teddy must be spinning. Mary Jo Kopechne would be so happy. A horrid health care bill will go down to defeat as well as the Obama agenda. A great day for America.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:08:14pm |
They're all over if you watch the spy too. We have an unusual crop of long-dormant douchebags coming out of hibernation tonight >>
So do you folks find the level of despair from the (relative) lefties on here underwhelming? Are there enough salty, salty tears to go around?
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Babsie Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:08:40pm |
Let me be "perfectly clear": Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy!!!!
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:08:45pm |
re: #154 iceweasel
Heh. You wish.
I'm pleased to see the word 'butthurt' is apparently now sanctioned by those who once hated it, though. That should be one argument that never happens again here. :-)Butthurt for all!!1!
I you can't beat them, join them... as they say. I still disapprove, but until upheld I'll not spare return favour.
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Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:08:56pm |
Hey Sloop- you out cruising?
That what this is all about?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:09:15pm |
re: #194 sloop
I am NOT a fan of the phrase, but, can I use it anyway?
I wish the BIG butthurt on this troll.
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trainer Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:09:17pm |
Mass started it in 1775, and hit the reset button in 2010.
Good job.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:09:25pm |
re: #206 idioma
The latest polls show that most people think the Obamacare bill is a bad idea. Your facts are out of date. America has returned to sanity about government takeovers of industry.
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Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:09:29pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:09:44pm |
BTW, a quick word of thanks to Charles, for letting us conservatives do a sack dance in his endzone tonight. Not all political blog hosts would be so forbearing.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:09:46pm |
re: #226 trainer
oh lordy, - for freakin' insane hyperbole.
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:09:50pm |
re: #212 TheMatrix31
Want a tissue? You had the last 8 years to "fix" things. We don't want your politics anymore.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:10:09pm |
re: #199 MandyManners
No. I turned it back on those who have brought it to LGF. And, I did so with a disclaimer.
Now, why don't you distract us all with a video of two cat's fucking?
Rubbish. As usual. Thanks for having used the word butthurt though!
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tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:10:38pm |
re: #191 lawhawk
You know, apropos of nothing for or against Obama, does he not seem disengaged now that he is no longer a candidate? Almost as if he is above all this fray, and doesn't want anyone penetrating the ivory tower of his mind.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:10:59pm |
re: #233 idioma
After tonight, we don't want YOURS either.
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LotharBot Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:11:01pm |
re: #49 idioma
Do you often cheer when the people of this country fail?
I'm cheering the success of the people of Massachusetts. They decided they did not want what the Democratic party was selling, at least not wholesale, and they forced them into a position where they MUST compromise. How is that a failure for "the people of this country"?
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:11:01pm |
re: #231 The Sanity Inspector
lol, nobody will deny that your guy won, and won fairly (ok I'm sure SOME people will deny the latter, but they're crazy).
The interesting discussion can be about what the win actually means >
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generalsparky Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:11:08pm |
re: #206 idioma
Man, you are such a hater. Why don't you have a drink and relax a bit.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:11:17pm |
re: #200 sloop
Projection. Clear, total projection.
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researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:11:29pm |
re: #181 albusteve
liberals don't want to hear that...cannibalism
Or, reality.
It wasn't universal health care that lost the race for Coakely- they already have that. The vote was a referendum on the sausage making politics. When people see how it's really done, they won't buy the product.
The Nebraska and Louisiana payoffs (not to mention Reid's Nevada's pork), the unions and closed door and Chicago style politics are why the vote went Brown's way.
I'm all for health care reform, but not like this. Ask yourself a question- where did the promise to allow free market health care to be purchased across state lines go? Where were Pelosi and Reid demanding that?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:11:33pm |
re: #225 Floral Giraffe
I am NOT a fan of the phrase, but, can I use it anyway?
I wish the BIG butthurt on this troll.
Your wish is my command, with help from Jimmah and iceweasel:
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BunnyThief Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:11:56pm |
Coakley lost because she was a horrible campaigner and had a horrid record.
In 1995, she let a pedophile priest go with "secret probation" to continue preying for another seven years.
In 2005, she tried to broom the case of a cop raping a 23-month-old baby with a curling iron. (Said ex-cop is now serving two life sentences, convicted by Coakley's successor.)
On the other hand, she fought like hell to keep the Amiraults in prison long after the case against them fell apart.
And the last three Mass. House Speakers have all been indicted for corruption, with two convictions and one trial pending -- all brought by federal officials, not Coakley.
Oh, and Brown on evolution: Bob Kerrey called him a creationist. Brown's campaign responded: "Scott Brown believes in evolution but in the case of Bob Kerrey he's willing to make an exception."
Brown played it smart: he accepted pretty much any and all support, but without tying himself to anyone over it.
Coakley, on the other hand, was the most astonishingly self-destructive candidate since... well, ever, I think. Her gaffes were the stuff of future legends.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:12:00pm |
re: #241 sloop
Um, takes one to know one!
Have at it, fella.
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solomonpanting Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:12:34pm |
"I voted for Obama because I wanted change. ... I thought he'd bring it to us, but I just don't like the direction that he's heading," said John Triolo, 38, a registered independent who voted in Fitchburg.
So here we have someone who thought "change", an oh-so-all-encompassing mantra, would conform to whatever his vision of that word meant. Times 63 million.
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Big Steve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:12:46pm |
meme at D-Kos tonight....with the razor thin Senate margin history at least the Dems don't have to keep Joe Leiberman "happy endings" anymore.
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KingKenrod Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:12:46pm |
We have a lame duck Congress now. Even if they tried governing from the center, the Dems are running scared and will get no bailout help from the GOP. Get used to absolutely nothing getting done in Congress and a permanent campaign 'til Nov 2010.
| 254 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:12:49pm |
Use 'reply' and not 'quote' when engaging in a troll smackdown. Makes Stinky's job easier. ;)
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:12:50pm |
re: #238 TheMatrix31
After tonight, we don't want YOURS either.
Why would we want more from the GOP? They are off their rails? Didn't they do enough damage last decade?
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:12:56pm |
re: #247 BunnyThief
Coakley lost because she was a horrible campaigner and had a horrid record.
Coakley lost cause more people voted for the other guy... simple huh?
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:12:58pm |
re: #249 rwmofo
Ummm, it's still here?
It's staining conservatives with its lunacy. In fact, I think it may be a plant.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:13:01pm |
And the troll just bit the dust:
"You're gone sloopy, sloopy you're gone!"
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jvic Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:13:05pm |
re: #13 lawrior
And somehow, he managed to win without bringing up abortion or creationism, or otherwise making an embarrassment of himself. I can only hope that this becomes a trend.
In any case, huzzah!
The Democrats brought it up when Bob Kerrey accused Brown of not believing in evolution.
Brown spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom comments to NRO: "Scott Brown believes in evolution but in the case of Bob Kerrey he's willing to make an exception."
Crunch.
| 260 |
swamprat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:13:12pm |
I am neither happy nor sad about a republican getting elected. We have too long judged people by their party rather than whether they were capable, smart, and honest.
Is this turn of events a good thing?
We will see.
| 261 |
torrentprime Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:13:23pm |
re: #228 Dark_Falcon
The latest polls show that most people think the Obamacare bill is a bad idea. Your facts are out of date. America has returned to sanity about government takeovers of industry.
Yes, it was polling better until the public option was removed and the Conservadems got crap like the North Dakota Medicare payoff.
| 262 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:13:26pm |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
And the troll just bit the dust:
"You're gone sloopy, sloopy you're gone!"
Thank goodness!
| 263 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:13:31pm |
re: #247 BunnyThief
Oh, and Brown on evolution: Bob Kerrey called him a creationist. Brown's campaign responded: "Scott Brown believes in evolution but in the case of Bob Kerrey he's willing to make an exception."
Now that's funny! Hahahahaha
| 264 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:13:34pm |
What is it about right wing trolls and explicit references to gay sex anyway? I've noticed it's a reoccurring theme. Do they question their own masculinity? Is it their own repressed homosexuality? Is their hate for gays so strong that calling other people gay is the worst thing they can think of?
I think they question their own masculinity.
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Nadnerb Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:13:34pm |
This is great news for our country. Thank heavens.
One party rule without checks and balances is sure to be detrimental to our system regardless of political polarity. If they go the reconciliation route, then there will be tremendous hell visited upon the Dem majority. Reform is needed but it should be debated and inclusive-bipartisan, if you wish. We the people are fed up with the pace of this and the expense of it all.
| 266 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:13:34pm |
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Digital Display Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:13:41pm |
re: #196 brookly red
huh? didn't hurt me at all
I meant it lacked class..Calling back to History....Worst I've heard in a while..
Who is this woman? She had the whole weight of American politics fall on her head...It's like when they threw Sarah to the Lions..She didn't have the training and experience to take on real politics...
I want you folks to know right now..She was so tone deaf that the Hoopster could have beaten her..
I could have been a United States Senator.. Why didn't you guys tell me?
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:14:06pm |
re: #251 Big Steve
meme at D-Kos tonight...with the razor thin Senate margin history at least the Dems don't have to keep Joe Leiberman "happy endings" anymore.
I noticed that. That and, "Damn those pussy Democrats - they need to just ram shit through, fuck the sheeple they don't know what they need."
| 270 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:14:11pm |
re: #255 idioma
Didn't Congress and Obama do enough damage since 2006? Stop making me respond to your bullshit. Please. You're pissing the hell out of me, and I'm in class. I don't want to start yelling at my fucking computer screen.
| 271 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:14:15pm |
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:14:19pm |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
And the troll just bit the dust:
"You're gone sloopy, sloopy you're gone!"
It's still logged in.
| 273 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:14:25pm |
re: #260 swamprat
I am neither happy nor sad about a republican getting elected. We have too long judged people by their party rather than whether they were capable, smart, and honest.
Is this turn of events a good thing?We will see.
QFMFT!
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rwmofo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:14:28pm |
re: #252 KingKenrod
We have a lame duck Congress now. Even if they tried governing from the center, the Dems are running scared and will get no bailout help from the GOP. Get used to absolutely nothing getting done in Congress and a permanent campaign 'til Nov 2010.
Well, if they're not passing new laws it can't be all bad.
| 275 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:14:39pm |
re: #253 SteveC
Galactica Actual, Starbuck is going to take on all seven!
Well, Stinky just nuked the troll.
-----------------------------------------------
OMG! THAT MEANS STINKY IS A CYLON!!!1111111
/Stalker blog
| 276 |
BunnyThief Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:14:50pm |
re: #256 brookly red
Coakley lost cause more people voted for the other guy... simple huh?
That's the HOW. I was talking about the WHY.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:14:56pm |
re: #163 researchok
Brown could not have won without a lot of support from disaffected Democrats in an overwhelmingly Democrat state, which voted overwhelmingly for Barack Obama.
And that's the real wake-up call.
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:15:01pm |
re: #239 LotharBot
I'm cheering the success of the people of Massachusetts. They decided they did not want what the Democratic party was selling, at least not wholesale, and they forced them into a position where they MUST compromise. How is that a failure for "the people of this country"?
Creationism.
Anti-science.
Climate change denial.
General Bigotry.
Which party comes to mind?
We're better off without these things.
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Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:15:04pm |
re: #269 cliffster
I noticed that. That and, "Damn those pussy Democrats - they need to just ram shit through, fuck the sheeple they don't know what they need."
So, You've been reading Nancy's new book...
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The Shadow Do Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:15:04pm |
re: #247 BunnyThief
Coakley lost because she was a horrible campaigner and had a horrid record.
Didn't help, but very near sighted to take just that message from the defeat.
As I said earlier, MA would elect:
Ms. Dead Cat (D)
Under more usual circumstances of course.
| 282 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:15:19pm |
| 283 |
captdiggs Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:15:20pm |
That's democracy. The people have spoken.
It's a clear rebuke of what's currently going on in Washington.
The bluest of blue states just went red.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:15:23pm |
re: #264 Conservative Moonbat
What is it about right wing trolls and explicit references to gay sex anyway? I've noticed it's a reoccurring theme. Do they question their own masculinity? Is it their own repressed homosexuality? Is their hate for gays so strong that calling other people gay is the worst thing they can think of?
I think they question their own masculinity.
Homophobia. It's in the watercoolers of Greater Wingnuttia.
One day, -- oh happy day! -- it will be replaced by Lithium. We can hope.
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SteveC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:15:25pm |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
And the troll just bit the dust:
"You're gone sloopy, sloopy you're gone!"
Spash one toaster!
(I always wondered just how the hell you "splash" something in space?!?!)
| 286 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:15:33pm |
re: #271 Spare O'Lake
Uranus
*sorry, couldn't resist*
FRY: This is a great, as long as you don’t make me smell Uranus. Heh heh.
LEELA: I don’t get it.
PROFESSOR FARNSWORTH: I’m sorry, Fry, but astronomers renamed Uranus in 2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all.
FRY: Oh. What’s it called now?
PROFESSOR FARNSWORTH: Urectum.
:)
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Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:15:41pm |
re: #283 captdiggs
That's democracy. The people have spoken.
It's a clear rebuke of what's currently going on in Washington.
The bluest of blue states just went red.
I wouldn't go that far.
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Unakite Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:15:43pm |
Damn!!
Leave for a few minutes to give the kid a bath and I missed all the fun!!
| 290 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:15:48pm |
re: #264 Conservative Moonbat
What is it about right wing trolls and explicit references to gay sex anyway?
Check my #243.
BTW, it's not just right wing trolls, but also young males on XBox Live.
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:15:58pm |
re: #261 torrentprime
Yes, it was polling better until the public option was removed and the Conservadems got crap like the North Dakota Medicare payoff.
The ND thing would have been great if it had been extended to all states. That would have been one of the most progressive parts of the bill. Of course it also would have cut into the deficit savings aspects big time.
| 292 |
Mich-again Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:16:01pm |
re: #236 tradewind
You know, apropos of nothing for or against Obama, does he not seem disengaged now that he is no longer a candidate?
I think he sounds more like a candidate than the guy who won when he speaks. That speech at Coakley's rally this past weekend reminded me of a flea market huckster.
| 293 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:16:02pm |
re: #247 BunnyThief
Coakley lost because she was a horrible campaigner and had a horrid record.
In 1995, she let a pedophile priest go with "secret probation" to continue preying for another seven years.
In 2005, she tried to broom the case of a cop raping a 23-month-old baby with a curling iron. (Said ex-cop is now serving two life sentences, convicted by Coakley's successor.)
On the other hand, she fought like hell to keep the Amiraults in prison long after the case against them fell apart.
And the last three Mass. House Speakers have all been indicted for corruption, with two convictions and one trial pending -- all brought by federal officials, not Coakley.
Oh, and Brown on evolution: Bob Kerrey called him a creationist. Brown's campaign responded: "Scott Brown believes in evolution but in the case of Bob Kerrey he's willing to make an exception."
Brown played it smart: he accepted pretty much any and all support, but without tying himself to anyone over it.
Coakley, on the other hand, was the most astonishingly self-destructive candidate since... well, ever, I think. Her gaffes were the stuff of future legends.
That's Ronald Reagan level good.
| 294 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:16:07pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:17:07pm |
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:17:07pm |
re: #270 TheMatrix31
Didn't Congress and Obama do enough damage since 2006? Stop making me respond to your bullshit. Please. You're pissing the hell out of me, and I'm in class. I don't want to start yelling at my fucking computer screen.
Sounds like a personal problem to me.
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imploder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:17:11pm |
re: #283 captdiggs
That's democracy. The people have spoken.
It's a clear rebuke of what's currently going on in Washington.
The bluest of blue states just went red.
Agreed, but we don't have a democratic form of government. It's a representative republic. :)
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:17:11pm |
re: #251 Big Steve
meme at D-Kos tonight...with the razor thin Senate margin history at least the Dems don't have to keep Joe Leiberman "happy endings" anymore.
Lieberman should feel pretty good tonight .... some sane people in New England are showing that Joe's more "in touch" with the people in the neighborhood than so many "experts" believed.
| 301 |
Unakite Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:17:29pm |
re: #276 BunnyThief
That's the HOW. I was talking about the WHY.
re: #247 BunnyThief
Coakley lost because she was a horrible campaigner and had a horrid record.
Coakley lost cause more people voted for the other guy... simple huh?
Read the first sentence. That's the why.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:17:43pm |
re: #266 Bagua
Orange alert!
Liberal Butthurt™ detected, level: throbbing.
Repeating...
But they don't know how to use it appropriately, thinking to apply it (as in this case) any time someone experiences a setback, or even more commonly, just anytime they feel like annoying someone.
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SteveC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:17:44pm |
re: #271 Spare O'Lake
Uranus
*sorry, couldn't resist*
Q: What does toilet paper and the starship Enterprise have in common?
A: They both circle Uranus looking for Klingons!
| 304 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:17:49pm |
re: #278 idioma
Creationism.
Anti-science.
Climate change denial.
General Bigotry.Which party comes to mind?
We're better off without these things.
Liberal Butthurt™ detected:
Level: Massive!
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tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:17:53pm |
re: #247 BunnyThief
While all the above may be true, the fact remains that whenever a democratic candidate loses, it's always blamed on the fact that they were somehow an anomaly, some strange aberration of a candidate. When Republicans lose, though, it's merely a triumph of the people's good sense.///
| 306 |
RogueOne Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:17:57pm |
Rep. Anthony Weiner may be my new favorite house member. Any politician willing to use the phrase "when pigs fly out of my ass" has my support.
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PhillyPretzel Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:18:03pm |
re: #287 Sharmuta
I have been ROFL since I signed in this evening. :::Catching a breath:::
| 308 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:18:03pm |
Who would have thunk that the trolls would have come out en masse for this one?
| 310 |
huggy77 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:18:14pm |
re: #278 idioma
this one is going to be fun...
handouts
demonizing success
huge massive govt
calling Kurt Schilling a yankees fan
which party comes to mind...
| 311 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:18:19pm |
re: #296 sswenviron
I have a confirmed Troll Sighting! Lobbing Green Smoke, hit it with the logic artillery!
| 312 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:18:19pm |
re: #286 Varek Raith
My very, very, very favorite Futurama joke. And I love most Futurama jokes.
| 314 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:18:27pm |
In Olbermann's lead-in to the commercial, he said he was going to apologize for his comments he made last night.
Hmmmmm.
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Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:18:41pm |
re: #300 _RememberTonyC
Lieberman should feel pretty good tonight ... some sane people in New England are showing that Joe's more "in touch" with the people in the neighborhood than so many "experts" believed.
Don't forget, Chris Dodd is also toast.
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Baier Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:18:45pm |
re: #299 imploder
Agreed, but we don't have a democratic form of government. It's a representative republic. :)
It is a Republic that is a Representative Democracy, actually.
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:18:46pm |
re: #302 Jimmah
Repeating...
But they don't know how to use it appropriately, thinking to apply it (as in this case) any time someone experiences a setback, or even more commonly, just anytime they feel like annoying someone.
man, you guys have an unnatural fixation on this butthurt thing
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:19:30pm |
Troll:
Karma: -7
Registered since: Jul 5, 2008 at 1:36 pm
(Logged in)
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of links posted: 0
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:19:43pm |
If you've ever wondered where those socks go when you put two in the dryer and only one comes out......
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Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:19:56pm |
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albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:20:08pm |
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:20:11pm |
I don't think this was a rejection of any Democratic policies or a reflection of any larger trends. I think a really good candidate beat a really bad one and people who try and read too much politics into it are overlooking the obvious.
There was no referendum here, except for maybe one against Tim Kaine and the DSCC.
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researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:20:13pm |
Finally, the Democrats in the House and Senate will focus on job creation and job saving- their own.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:20:16pm |
re: #313 Sharmuta
Not exactly. There is a clear order to these things. First you must take a drink, then laugh, then dance around frantically, then take off your clothes.
The last one is strongly encouraged.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:20:32pm |
re: #325 researchok
Finally, the Democrats in the House and Senate will focus on job creation and job saving- their own.
You forgot the sarc tag
| 328 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:20:33pm |
Time to go shower off the champagne; 'night.
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imploder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:20:41pm |
re: #316 Baier
It is a Republic that is a Representative Democracy, actually.
That don't make no sense.
/Channeling Hogwallup from Oh Brother Where art thou?
| 330 |
idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:20:45pm |
re: #304 Bagua
Liberal Butthurt™ detected:
Level: Massive!
Do you want religion in the science class?
Do you want your daughters to get back alley abortions?
Do you want this to be one of the few modern nations that tells gay people that they are inferior?
Do you want us to play our fiddle while the world burns?
The GOP has nothing to offer any more. Yet you cheer for them.
| 331 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:20:48pm |
re: #289 Unakite
Damn!! Leave for a few minutes to give the kid a bath and I missed all the fun!!
Oh, if you're speaking of the troll? You didn't miss anything.
Was a very stupid one. No cleverness. Just blatant, proud stupidity.
| 332 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:20:49pm |
re: #318 SteveC
To the lifepods! Evacuate the ship!
Hell, no! Arm phasers, and load the photon torpedoes! And go get Kirk off of whatever alien woman he's on top of and get him up the bridge!
| 333 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:20:54pm |
re: #314 rwmofo
In Olbermann's lead-in to the commercial, he said he was going to apologize for his comments he made last night.
Hmmm.
Well, he fooled me. He's adding more insults.
Click.
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:20:57pm |
re: #315 Capitalist Tool
Don't forget, Chris Dodd is also toast.
yes, but he was shrewd because he will almost certainly be replaced by Democrat Richard Blumenthal so the GOP won't be getting Dodd's seat.
| 335 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:21:08pm |
re: #325 researchok
Finally, the Democrats in the House and Senate will focus on job creation and job saving- their own.
That has to be the top comment in this thread tonight. LOL.
| 336 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:21:08pm |
re: #302 Jimmah
Repeating...
But they don't know how to use it appropriately, thinking to apply it (as in this case) any time someone experiences a setback, or even more commonly, just anytime they feel like annoying someone.
Ha, ha! Now you use the dreaded all bold!
Liberal Butthurt™ detected, level: Massive
The Moonbatularity has been breached!
| 337 |
The Sanity Inspector Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:21:19pm |
re: #332 Dark_Falcon
Hell, no! Arm phasers, and load the photon torpedoes! And go get Kirk off of whatever alien woman he's on top of and get him up the bridge!
I can haz green chicks?
| 338 |
RogueOne Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:21:20pm |
re: #330 idioma
Do you want religion in the science class?
Do you want your daughters to get back alley abortions?
Do you want this to be one of the few modern nations that tells gay people that they are inferior?
Do you want us to play our fiddle while the world burns?The GOP has nothing to offer any more. Yet you cheer for them.
What the hell....?
| 339 |
keloyd Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:21:21pm |
re: #305 tradewind
Part of why we hear that is we have to choose between the sanctimonious but competent chatter of MSNBC vs. the know-nothing populist faux-right wingnuttery of Fox. CNN seems to be doing better, from what I can see flipping back and forth. Oh, and the Wall STreet Journal opinion page should be fun manana.
| 341 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:21:32pm |
re: #320 Gus 802
WHO opened the door to the TROLL Cave?
CLOSE IT QUICK!
Stinky is gearing up the wrench.
Whackings are about to ensue!
Good Lizards, are at the Troll-B-Que.
Or off in the vegetarian line....
| 343 |
solomonpanting Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:21:54pm |
What's that old Herman's Hermits song?
Mr. Brown, you've pissed off a lot of bloggers
| 344 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:21:55pm |
re: #332 Dark_Falcon
Hell, no! Arm phasers, and load the photon torpedoes! And go get Kirk off of whatever alien woman he's on top of and get him up the bridge!
And beam Riker...somewhere where he won't hurt himself....
/We are the Borg. All your ship are belong to us.
| 345 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:21:56pm |
re: #325 researchok
Finally, the Democrats in the House and Senate will focus on job creation and job saving- their own.
I hope you are right when you suggest they might change. I wouldn't put money on it though.
| 346 |
SteveC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:22:01pm |
re: #326 Slumbering Behemoth
Not exactly. There is a clear order to these things. First you must take a drink, then laugh, then dance around frantically, then take off your clothes.
The last one is strongly encouraged.
*Drinks*
*Laughs*
*Dances*
Most of LGF: Whoa, Steve... your clothes can stay on!
| 347 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:22:05pm |
re: #317 albusteve
man, you guys have an unnatural fixation on this butthurt thing
Well, it was Mandy who brought it up.
| 348 |
captdiggs Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:22:11pm |
One other thing.
Brown is no "tea party" candidate. Neither are any of the GOP candidates who have won in NJ and VA.
A large hole has been blown in the leftist media assumption that the GOP has been destroying itself because of the fringe.
Those elected, though too far right for those on the left, ran more centrist campaigns and have given the GOP the blueprint to win more.
| 349 |
idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:22:23pm |
re: #310 huggy77
this one is going to be fun...
handouts
demonizing success
huge massive govt
calling Kurt Schilling a yankees fanwhich party comes to mind...
The Bush admin made the government smaller? That's news to me... and reality.
Bush gave handouts in the billions.
demonizing success? citation needed.
Yankees... I don't care about sports. Sports mean less than nothing in the grand scheme of things.
| 350 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:22:35pm |
re: #341 Floral Giraffe
WHO opened the door to the TROLL Cave?
CLOSE IT QUICK!
Stinky is gearing up the wrench.
Whackings are about to ensue!
Good Lizards, are at the Troll-B-Que.
Or off in the vegetarian line...
Two ready for the Flounce-O-Pult™!
| 351 |
lawhawk Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:22:58pm |
re: #274 rwmofo
Congress has passed laws before when there wasn't a supermajority. For most of US history, Senate supermajorities were the exception, not the rule.
Obama and the Democrats will have to figure out how to run with an agenda just as every other non-super majority Congress has done (which has been the case for most of our history). Will it mean the health care agenda will go by the boards? Perhaps - they may simply try to scale it back to get something done. Or they may try an end run.
This might help push Obama towards the center, and I see that as a good thing. It should also get him to refocus attention on his agenda and that it takes his leadership to help get it done; letting it fall to the keystone cops of Pelosi and Reid will not lead to success. Then again, he might think that if his agenda fails at the hands of the Congressional Democrats, he can avoid taking the political hit since he tried - it's the other politicos who failed to get it done.
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RogueOne Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:23:07pm |
re: #348 captdiggs
One other thing.
Brown is no "tea party" candidate. Neither are any of the GOP candidates who have won in NJ and VA.
A large hole has been blown in the leftist media assumption that the GOP has been destroying itself because of the fringe.
Those elected, though too far right for those on the left, ran more centrist campaigns and have given the GOP the blueprint to win more.
I think this has less to do with the things repubs have done right and more about what the dems have done wrong.
| 354 |
researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:23:14pm |
re: #335 Walter L. Newton
That has to be the top comment in this thread tonight. LOL.
Thanks. Of course, I didn't have to dig too deep to find that one.
| 355 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:23:34pm |
| 356 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:24:01pm |
re: #306 RogueOne
He really mangles the metaphors, though. I suppose it's a cross between ' when pigs fly' and 'and monkeys might fly out of my butt(hurt).'
| 358 |
Mich-again Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:24:04pm |
re: #330 idioma
Normally I would plead with people to step back from the ledge, but in this case I' think I'm just going to yell JUMP instead.
Geesh. You get overdramatic much?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:24:31pm |
re: #330 idioma
Do you want economic failure?
Do you want to see government bureaucrats control health care spending in America?
Do you want to hand Iraq and Afghanistan over to the Islamists?
Do you want us to suffer more terror attacks because defending ourselves was deemed politically incorrect?
The Donks have nothing to offer any more. Yet you cheer for them.
[Two can play that game.]
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:24:49pm |
re: #341 Floral Giraffe
WHO opened the door to the TROLL Cave?
CLOSE IT QUICK!
Stinky is gearing up the wrench.
Whackings are about to ensue!
Good Lizards, are at the Troll-B-Que.
Or off in the vegetarian line...
The vegetarians get to eat the troll brains. They're made of cabbage.
| 362 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:24:52pm |
re: #343 solomonpanting
Hey! Good to see you!
| 364 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:25:02pm |
re: #359 Dark_Falcon
And fucking A, the things you listed are MUCH more important to me than the "stuff" he posted.
| 366 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:25:31pm |
re: #330 idioma
Do you want religion in the science class?
Do you want your daughters to get back alley abortions?
Do you want this to be one of the few modern nations that tells gay people that they are inferior?
Do you want us to play our fiddle while the world burns?The GOP has nothing to offer any more. Yet you cheer for them.
He, he. It's the end of the world!!!!! *runs around screaming*
Liberal Butthurt™ detected, level: Massive!
The Moonbatularity has been breached!
| 367 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:25:34pm |
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brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:25:36pm |
/between all the butthurts & the seat gettings were gonna have some creepy Google ads soon...
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Mich-again Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:25:47pm |
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:25:51pm |
re: #364 TheMatrix31
You care more about sports than human rights?
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:25:52pm |
re: #336 Bagua
Ha, ha! Now you use the dreaded all bold!
Liberal Butthurt™ detected, level: Massive
The Moonbatularity has been breached!
Wrong again. I thought bold text might help get the meaning across to you, since it went over your head the first time. My bad, it seems!
And - "Moonbatularity?" That's a nelogism dumb and ugly enough to give 'blogmocracy' a run for its money.
| 373 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:25:56pm |
re: #357 Varek Raith
' please, sir, may we have another ' ?
| 374 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:26:01pm |
re: #359 Dark_Falcon
Do you want economic failure?
Do you want to see government bureaucrats control health care spending in America?
Do you want to hand Iraq and Afghanistan over to the Islamists?
Do you want us to suffer more terror attacks because defending ourselves was deemed politically incorrect?The Donks have nothing to offer any more. Yet you cheer for them.
[Two can play that game.]
And Idioma's answer could only be yes...
[Three can play that game]
| 375 |
captdiggs Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:26:01pm |
re: #324 Conservative Moonbat
There was no referendum here, except for maybe one against Tim Kaine and the DSCC.
Yeah...there was.
Obama put himself behind the candidate and virtually everyone, especially the Mass voters, knew this was a referendum on a national level.
Brown pulled a large number of democrats to vote for him. That speaks volumes.
| 376 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:26:02pm |
All I know is Andrew Sullivan must be having a heart attack right about now, he has been beside himself all week at the thought of Brown winning.
| 377 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:26:11pm |
re: #365 idioma
YOUR maturity level is off the charts though.
| 378 |
Pacificlady Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:26:20pm |
Change you can believe in. Good luck Sen. Brown.
| 379 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:26:55pm |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:27:00pm |
re: #371 idioma
Yes. But I don't know what that has to do with what D_F said.
I also root for reading comprehension.
| 381 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:27:02pm |
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:27:10pm |
re: #366 Bagua
I was thinking to myself, hey man don't be like that. And then I remembered all the countless times I've heard the exact same condescending sarcasm directed at my beliefs. Carry on.
| 384 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:27:19pm |
I'm just glad I got to watch Chris Matthews have a case of the pouts on national tv tonight.
| 385 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:27:22pm |
re: #361 iceweasel
The vegetarians get to eat the troll brains. They're made of cabbage.
nom nom nom nom...
| 386 |
huggy77 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:27:31pm |
re: #329 imploder
the republican party is not in great shapes but the conservative ideals of liberty and the rewarding of hard work are what make this country great. hopefully the new republican model will be more fiscal conservatism and let the states worry about the social stuff...
Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.
| 387 |
BunnyThief Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:27:33pm |
re: #305 tradewind
Tradewind, I generally agree with you. But here, I claim the "Massachusetts exception." A dead sheep could have won if running as a Democrat for Ted's old seat.
Coakley was worse than a dead sheep.
| 388 |
RogueOne Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:27:37pm |
re: #371 idioma
You care more about sports than human rights?
Don't even start with human rights and then try to defend Coakley. She's a horrible human being who deserved to lose.
| 389 |
idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:27:42pm |
re: #374 Walter L. Newton
And Idioma's answer could only be yes...
[Three can play that game]
Straw man. You claim to speak for and against me.
You may not understand how this works. But I reject your false dichotomy. I am not for the democrats either. But I am out right opposed to the GOP. See the difference there? Probably not. But lets try.
| 390 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:27:47pm |
I don't know if it's a British thing or what, but I used to work with a lady from the UK (very cute by the way), who said sometimes she needed a "whack on the bum" as well as a pat on the back. I thought that was an interesting way of putting things.
| 391 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:27:52pm |
Talk about blowing the dog whistle.... I swear I think Obama said re Brown ' You've got to look under the hood '.
| 392 |
captdiggs Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:28:06pm |
re: #384 Capitalist Tool
I'm just glad I got to watch Chris Matthews have a case of the pouts on national tv tonight.
Reverse leg tingles. ;-)
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LotharBot Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:28:16pm |
re: #278 idioma
Creationism.
Anti-science.
Climate change denial.
General Bigotry.
The people of Massachusetts elected a candidate who seems mostly reasonable on all of those fronts, who ran a centrist campaign. The people voted for a guy who campaigned on lower taxes and lower government spending. Why is this a failure for the people of America?
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:28:25pm |
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Mich-again Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:28:31pm |
I'm wondering how long till the far right labels Brown a RINO.
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Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:28:37pm |
re: #371 idioma
You care more about sports than human rights?
Try the Tin Man next time.
Your strawman doesn't stand up.
| 398 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:28:45pm |
It's not terribly clear to me why anyone would be dancing, or feel depressed, about this outcome.
Without speaking ill of the dead, I'll say that at least it's no longer a given who will win that seat. Future candidates for this seat will have to compete for voters, rather than it being "gimmie" for the same pol every election, and that's a good thing.
| 399 |
MandyManners Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:28:59pm |
It I had the urge to get a sock-puppet, I'd register "TWO CATS FUCKING".
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:29:07pm |
re: #330 idioma
Do you want religion in the science class?
Do you want your daughters to get back alley abortions?
Do you want this to be one of the few modern nations that tells gay people that they are inferior?
Do you want us to play our fiddle while the world burns?The GOP has nothing to offer any more. Yet you cheer for them.
MEDIC!
| 401 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:29:13pm |
re: #390 _RememberTonyC
I don't know if it's a British thing or what, but I used to work with a lady from the UK (very cute by the way), who said sometimes she needed a "whack on the bum" as well as a pat on the back. I thought that was an interesting way of putting things.
Just so long as she never made references to her fanny.
It doesn't mean there what it does her. Just sayin'.
| 402 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:29:17pm |
re: #363 idioma
I stand by my statements.
Which you should. And guess what, I don't want to see any of those things happen, or exist, or be policy, but, we have a process here, and it called a democracy, and most of the time the people are the ones to decide on the final policy. So, if you don't like the process, and are going to whine and whine, then it's your own fault. It's call politics, that hows it's played and it's not play JUST FOR YOUR BENEFIT.
| 403 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:29:37pm |
re: #390 _RememberTonyC
I don't know if it's a British thing or what, but I used to work with a lady from the UK (very cute by the way), who said sometimes she needed a "whack on the bum" as well as a pat on the back. I thought that was an interesting way of putting things.
Well, at least the Brits here speak English.
/
| 405 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:29:50pm |
re: #399 MandyManners
It I had the urge to get a sock-puppet, I'd register "TWO CATS FUCKING".
Go right ahead. That will be interesting.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:29:54pm |
re: #389 idioma
Straw man. You claim to speak for and against me.
You may not understand how this works. But I reject your false dichotomy. I am not for the democrats either. But I am out right opposed to the GOP. See the difference there? Probably not. But lets try.
You are not for the Democrats and you are against the GOP. So who are you for, the Quakers?
| 407 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:29:55pm |
Sigh, attempts a diffusing a possible flame war = FAIL.
:(
| 408 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:30:07pm |
re: #395 Mich-again
They're waiting a decent interval until the left stops calling him a teabagger.
| 409 |
PhillyPretzel Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:30:14pm |
I got to go to work tomorrow. Good Night to my fellow Lizards.
| 410 |
imploder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:30:16pm |
Methinks the current LGF posters weren't around in 04 might not know that there were quite a few conservative posters around. It doesn't surprise me that some come around to see how things are in light of today's events. I realized a while ago that LGF jinked left, but I'm still member in good standing. I suppose I might get the axe, but it wouldn't be for cause, it would be to sate the new mob.
| 412 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:30:36pm |
re: #401 iceweasel
Just so long as she never made references to her fanny.
It doesn't mean there what it does her. Just sayin'.
Ice ... she always used the word "bum." She was a cutie too :)
| 413 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:30:54pm |
re: #365 idioma
You are a child.
of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should...
Ah...
That's nicer.
| 417 |
idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:31:07pm |
re: #393 LotharBot
The people of Massachusetts elected a candidate who seems mostly reasonable on all of those fronts, who ran a centrist campaign. The people voted for a guy who campaigned on lower taxes and lower government spending. Why is this a failure for the people of America?
I'll make you a deal. If in the next six years he condemns creationist legislation. Backs measures to fight climate change, and openly campaigns for gay rights, I will admit that I am wrong.
If on the other hand he bends to the call of Beck and Tea Bags, you owe me 15 jumping jacks.
| 418 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:31:11pm |
re: #372 Jimmah
Wrong again. I thought bold text might help get the meaning across to you, since it went over your head the first time. My bad, it seems!
And - "Moonbatularity?" That's a nelogism dumb and ugly enough to give 'blogmocracy' a run for its money.
He he! You're cute when you're mad Jimmah. Just having fun mate, why so serious?
Blogmocracy, oh dear, what's next?
Oh wait, I know...
| 419 |
KingKenrod Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:31:39pm |
Has any party squandered this much political capital so fast? Just 12 months ago we were on the edge of a depression and talking about Obama's blank check for New Deal II.
More than Obama or his agenda, I think congressional leadership is to blame.
| 420 |
swamprat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:31:43pm |
re: #330 idioma
Do you want religion in the science class?
Do you want your daughters to get back alley abortions?
Do you want this to be one of the few modern nations that tells gay people that they are inferior?
Do you want us to play our fiddle while the world burns?The GOP has nothing to offer any more. Yet you cheer for them.
Do you want dictators openly admired?
Do you want to hobble our country by ensuring that it has no domestic energy?
Do you want to tell women that you will never speak up for their rights in Islamic countries.
Do want to subvert the Independence and freedom of our country for the goodwill of the less fortunate- to the detriment of both groups?
Here's your rhetoric right back at you.
| 421 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:31:55pm |
| 422 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:32:05pm |
re: #410 imploder
No, it would be because you are being an ass tonight. Either settle down or go flounce!
| 423 |
SteveC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:32:19pm |
re: #390 _RememberTonyC
I don't know if it's a British thing or what, but I used to work with a lady from the UK (very cute by the way), who said sometimes she needed a "whack on the bum" as well as a pat on the back. I thought that was an interesting way of putting things.
You happen to have that young lady's phone and/or address?
| 424 |
idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:32:29pm |
re: #420 swamprat
Do you want dictators openly admired?
Do you want to hobble our country by ensuring that it has no domestic energy?
Do you want to tell women that you will never speak up for their rights in Islamic countries.
Do want to subvert the Independence and freedom of our country for the goodwill of the less fortunate- to the detriment of both groups?Here's your rhetoric right back at you.
You make a fatal error in assuming that I back the democrats.
| 425 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:32:55pm |
good night Lizards .... Tomorrow's session with Robert Gibbs should be fun. I wonder if we'll see his nose growing when he speaks.
See y'all later!
| 426 |
Babsie Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:33:00pm |
re: #384 Capitalist Tool
I'm just glad I got to watch Chris Matthews have a case of the pouts on national tv tonight.
I don't get to see Matthews. Must keep an eye out for that one!
| 427 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:33:13pm |
| 428 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:33:14pm |
| 430 |
_RememberTonyC Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:33:23pm |
re: #423 SteveC
You happen to have that young lady's phone and/or address?
she moved back to the UK ... sadly
| 431 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:33:26pm |
re: #103 MandyManners
Spin. Spin. Spin.
Ted Kennedy's beloved hometown, Barnstable, which contains the village of Hyannisport, went with Brown, overwhelmingly.
Ted's home newspaper, The Cape Cod Times endorsed Senator Brown. It cannot be spun.
| 432 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:33:26pm |
Well.
If this is a sign of things to come in in the November elections, we will be well and truly screwed by wingnuts.
| 433 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:33:38pm |
re: #401 iceweasel
Just so long as she never made references to her fanny.
It doesn't mean there what it does her. Just sayin'.
So, you gonna leave us guessing? Knickers figure into the mix?
| 434 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:33:39pm |
| 435 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:33:47pm |
| 436 |
solomonpanting Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:33:50pm |
At least this election might just spare nervous Dems from having to vote on a health measure. They are also big winners tonight. Or, come November, maybe not.
| 437 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:33:51pm |
re: #424 idioma
You make a fatal error in assuming that I back the democrats.
Fatal... you are ready to jump, aren't you?
| 438 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:33:58pm |
re: #424 idioma
No one gives a shit who you support. If we're wrong, then say what you support. If you care only about creationism and gay rights, thats fine. There are a shitload of more important things we as a nation need to worry about and get right before we worry about those.
| 439 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:34:02pm |
re: #304 Bagua
Liberal Butthurt™ detected:
Level: Massive!
Shut up! It's just stupid toilet humor and...bad animation.
/why yes, Kyle is my son.
| 440 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:34:13pm |
Get away from my senate seat you damn dirty Republican!
| 441 |
keloyd Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:34:25pm |
re: #330 idioma
Do you want religion in the science class...daughters...back alley abortions... gay people...inferior...fiddle while the world burns?
The GOP has nothing to offer any more. Yet you cheer for them.
If you didn't like the worst of the right wing "lefties hate America and freedom" talk post 9/11 then don't do the same thing.
Please distinguish between rhetoric and the real world. For example, on abortion, for all the hysterical scare tactics, the needle will only move just a little one way or the other over the next 50 years, like it or not. The rest is just transparent scare tactics. All the talk in the world will not make abortions go away. We will be pro-choice for the rest of my life, which is fine with me. At the edges, we may change, like on parental notification or 3rd trimester regs, but that's it. If you think Republicans in power will do more, you're in fantasy land. Same goes for the Democrats and their talk talk talk.
| 442 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:34:31pm |
re: #207 Abu Al-Poopypants
“For the first time in my adult lifetime,
I'm really proud of my ..." state.
Seconded.
| 443 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:34:44pm |
re: #426 Babsie
He has a thirty minute show on NBC (if it's a lack of cable ) sometime on a weekend night.. I think Sunday.
| 444 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:34:48pm |
re: #432 Cato the Elder
Well.
If this is a sign of things to come in in the November elections, we will be well and truly screwed by wingnuts.
we are screwed anyway, considering the alternative...what's new?
| 445 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:34:55pm |
re: #432 Cato the Elder
Well.
If this is a sign of things to come in in the November elections, we will be well and truly screwed by wingnuts.
| 446 |
idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:35:08pm |
re: #437 Walter L. Newton
Fatal... you are ready to jump, aren't you?
I don't have the energy to draw an ASCII facepalm for you, but you probably have seen a few already so I'll spare you.
| 447 |
huggy77 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:35:10pm |
Methinks the current LGF posters weren't around in 04 might not know that there were quite a few conservative posters around. It doesn't surprise me that some come around to see how things are in light of today's events. I realized a while ago that LGF jinked left, but I'm still member in good standing. I suppose I might get the axe, but it wouldn't be for cause, it would be to sate the new mob.
whatever happened to the Palestinian Bee Nahool?
| 448 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:35:12pm |
re: #419 KingKenrod
Has any party squandered this much political capital so fast? Just 12 months ago we were on the edge of a depression and talking about Obama's blank check for New Deal II.
More than Obama or his agenda, I think congressional leadership is to blame.
Good point. Reid is 70 and Pelosi is 69. When Gingrich came in he hand-picked the committee chairs rather than just putting the oldest guy in charge.
...not expecting the lefties to take my advice though.
| 449 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:35:18pm |
peoples's seat, peoples's seat, peoples's seat... kinda catchy
| 450 |
Kiernan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:35:22pm |
Now, the interesting thing will be, is, how long will it take the Massachusetts Democrats to officially seat the newly elected senator?
Will they try to drag their feet, and keep the Kennedy's flunky in there?
It's cool to have flunkies but, you know, sometimes they have to know when to leave.
But, like John F-ing Kerry, genius that he is, has already tipped their hand, by saying it might take weeks and weeks to certify the election. OMG!!
What will Keith Olbermann and the rest of the elites think about all us unenlightened voters of Massachusetts?
Poor Keith! If only he could have explained things better to us!! If only we had watched more tv and had better internet connections!
Oh well.....They tried!
| 451 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:35:47pm |
| 452 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:35:47pm |
re: #433 Capitalist Tool
So, you gonna leave us guessing? Knickers figure into the mix?
"Fanny" refers to the female genitalia there. One reason why they laugh themselves silly when tourists talk about or wear "fanny packs".
| 453 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:35:48pm |
re: #432 Cato the Elder
Well.
If this is a sign of things to come in in the November elections, we will be well and truly screwed by wingnuts.
That's a leap of logic. Or a twist... or a spin.
| 454 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:36:00pm |
re: #410 imploder
Methinks the current LGF posters weren't around in 04 might not know that there were quite a few conservative posters around. It doesn't surprise me that some come around to see how things are in light of today's events. I realized a while ago that LGF jinked left, but I'm still member in good standing. I suppose I might get the axe, but it wouldn't be for cause, it would be to sate the new mob.
Actually, as one of those conservative posters, it would be because you are now being an asshole.
| 455 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:36:07pm |
re: #432 Cato the Elder
Might as well relax and enjoy it, Cato. Just think... you can tune into Fox anytime you need a Palin fix.
| 456 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:36:20pm |
re: #432 Cato the Elder
If this is a sign of things to come in in the November elections
I really don't think it is, but we shall see.
| 458 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:36:41pm |
re: #452 iceweasel
"Fanny" refers to the female genitalia there. One reason why they laugh themselves silly when tourists talk about or wear "fanny packs".
Where?
| 459 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:36:43pm |
re: #449 brookly red
peoples's seat, peoples's seat, peoples's seat... kinda catchy
just put the lid down, thanks
| 460 |
idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:36:46pm |
re: #438 TheMatrix31
The GOP has a terrible track record for solving problems, and a fantastic track record for creating them. If you fail to see that pattern, that is not my problem. I am capable of being opposed to something without inversely supporting a false opposite. You should do the same.
| 461 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:37:09pm |
Very gracious nods to the late senator Kennedy and his wife by Brown.
| 463 |
Jetpilot1101 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:37:32pm |
I liked his tribute to the late Senator Ted Kennedy. A class act.
| 464 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:37:33pm |
re: #450 Kiernan
Now, the interesting thing will be, is, how long will it take the Massachusetts Democrats to officially seat the newly elected senator?
I thought that legally county clerks have to wait 10 days to let all the absentee ballots come in?
Or something like that....
| 465 |
keloyd Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:37:38pm |
re: #420 swamprat
your kung fu is strong, plus you got comment #420! hehehe
| 467 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:38:15pm |
re: #460 idioma
The GOP has a terrible track record for solving problems, and a fantastic track record for creating them. If you fail to see that pattern, that is not my problem. I am capable of being opposed to something without inversely supporting a false opposite. You should do the same.
Hush! Brown is giving a speech!
| 469 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:38:30pm |
re: #451 reine.de.tout
I aims to please, ma'am.
| 470 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:38:31pm |
re: #457 The Shadow Do
Appears to be a class act.
Agreed. He said he ran a clean upbeat campaign that stuck to the issues. That's some change I can believe in.
| 471 |
WaveriderCA Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:38:31pm |
re: #78 idioma
Did you get that rant from Fox News or did you make it up yourself?
Just because I do not like huge government spending a trillion dollars that doesn't make me a raving right wing nut. Nor does it make me a nut to think that legislation shouldn't be 2000+ pages. You need to wake up and see that there are alot of people federal and local that are just giving away our country for campaign contributions. Stop drinking the haterade and just open your eyes.
| 472 |
LotharBot Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:38:43pm |
re: #389 idioma
I reject your false dichotomy. I am not for the democrats either. But I am out right opposed to the GOP.
And you let your opposition carry over to a candidate who, it seems, stands for NONE of the things you listed as problems with the GOP. Or, if he does, he doesn't care enough about them to make them a major do-or-die issue. He ran on lower taxes and lower spending; this is an unmitigated GOOD THING for the country, especially if it convinces the GOP to step away from the ledge and back toward that sort of policy.
He got elected by being reasonable on the exact issues you complain about, and not making a big deal out of them, and yet you still find reason to complain.
| 473 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:38:47pm |
| 474 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:38:48pm |
| 475 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:39:05pm |
| 476 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:39:17pm |
| 477 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:39:18pm |
| 478 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:39:20pm |
| 479 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:39:31pm |
Sigh, this election set back my plans by 2 years...
/Dammit! My Deathstar will never be complete!
//
| 481 |
Unakite Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:39:53pm |
re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, if you're speaking of the troll? You didn't miss anything.
Was a very stupid one. No cleverness. Just blatant, proud stupidity.
Must have been good at it. Saw several deletes.
| 482 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:40:00pm |
He just said both his daughter's available! Hubba hubba
| 483 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:40:16pm |
re: #474 iceweasel
UK. hence the title of "Fanny Hill" and the character's name.
So fanny is an British slang for, well, do you want to pet the kitting on my lap?
| 484 |
Muadib Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:40:16pm |
re: #65 Ojoe
Now let's:
Tackle unemployment
Get a handle on the deficit
Stop the export of jobs
Rebuild the industrial base of the nation
Control the borders
& get the closet theocrats away from politics.
I don't care what party you are in if you do that,
Signed, typical american person.
I second the motion.
| 485 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:40:49pm |
re: #348 captdiggs
One other thing.
Brown is no "tea party" candidate. Neither are any of the GOP candidates who have won in NJ and VA.
A large hole has been blown in the leftist media assumption that the GOP has been destroying itself because of the fringe.
Those elected, though too far right for those on the left, ran more centrist campaigns and have given the GOP the blueprint to win more.
He made the assertion that Obama was born out of wedlock. That's straight from birther dogma.
| 486 |
huggy77 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:40:51pm |
re: #479 Varek Raith
i find your lack of faith disturbing...
| 487 |
idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:40:54pm |
re: #82 TheMatrix31
Yeah, Clinton did so well that he just destroyed my Dad's business and forced us to move to this hellhole called Los Angeles! YAY FOR CLINTON!
Sounds like your dad blames everyone but himself.
| 488 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:41:02pm |
re: #478 Bagua
First Liberal Flounce!
He's not flouncing, he's just retreating to cry into his Chablis. And his brie has turned sour.
| 489 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:41:05pm |
re: #478 Bagua
First Liberal Flounce!
pretty whimpy compared to a good old right wing blast off...liberals are so half assed....BUTTHURT!
| 490 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:41:08pm |
re: #432 Cato the Elder
Well.
If this is a sign of things to come in in the November elections, we will be well and truly screwed by wingnuts.
Obama's two-faced, dithering chickens coming home to roost.
| 491 |
Babsie Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:41:15pm |
re: #443 tradewind
He has a thirty minute show on NBC (if it's a lack of cable ) sometime on a weekend night.. I think Sunday.
Thanks, Tradewind. I'm living in Oz at the moment. Just Fox News available but I can usually find the good clips via Newsbusters or the main blogs!
| 492 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:41:20pm |
re: #420 swamprat
Do you want dictators openly admired?
Do you want to hobble our country by ensuring that it has no domestic energy?
Do you want to tell women that you will never speak up for their rights in Islamic countries.
Do want to subvert the Independence and freedom of our country for the goodwill of the less fortunate- to the detriment of both groups?Here's your rhetoric right back at you.
You mean like the way we admired Papa and Baby Doc Duvalier, right up till the time the latter was overthrown in 1986 while The Fucking Gipper was in power? Reagan, as far as I know, never said or did dick about that that shit. Or are you talking about how we loved it in bed with Saddam until he went rogue on us? How's that for admiring dictators?
What fucking domestic energy are you talking about?
As for speaking up for women in Islamic countries, what does that have to do with who's in power?
And why do you capitalize "Independence" but not "freedom"?
Back at you, tool.
| 493 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:41:28pm |
Guy's definitely having some fun with this
| 494 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:41:52pm |
re: #483 Walter L. Newton
So fanny is an British slang for, well, do you want to pet the kitting on my lap?
Leave that sort of petting to Jimmah, Walter. ;)
| 495 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:42:24pm |
| 496 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:42:25pm |
re: #460 idioma
The GOP has a terrible track record for solving problems, and a fantastic track record for creating them. If you fail to see that pattern, that is not my problem. I am capable of being opposed to something without inversely supporting a false opposite. You should do the same.
Right. Reagan "failed" at getting the hostages released from Iran's thugs after Jimmy Carter so triumphantly threw a snit and barricaded himself in the whitehouse.
Reagan also failed so miserably at getting our financial house in order after Carter had the economy so screwed that inflation was approaching 20%
W was also such a failure at trying to stop the Islamists after Carter and Zbigy opened the door for the Ayatollah(s) and Clinton brushed them aside as just a "legal" problem, which is just exactly what the present administration is doing again by trying the terrorists in civilian courts.
| 497 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:42:30pm |
re: #483 Walter L. Newton
So fanny is an British slang for, well, do you want to pet the kitting on my lap?
Yep!
| 498 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:42:47pm |
re: #486 huggy77
i find your lack of faith disturbing...
Well, between this, and all the construction delays at KDY...Sigh, I'm gonna go force lightning something...
/
| 499 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:43:35pm |
re: #219 sswenviron
Old Chappaquiddick Teddy must be spinning. Mary Jo Kopechne would be so happy. A horrid health care bill will go down to defeat as well as the Obama agenda. A great day for America.
Do you actually think you're honoring Mary Jo Kopechne's memory by dragging her into a political campaign that has nothing to do with her? Ted Kennedy is dead.
| 500 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:43:46pm |
re: #488 Dark_Falcon
He's not flouncing, he's just retreating to cry into his Chablis. And his brie has turned sour.
I think idioma (sp?) is a she.
| 501 |
imploder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:43:54pm |
Goodnight all! Paranormal Cops is on A&E. Looks like I dodged the axe.
Cheers! My Natural Light Ice 16 long wheel based belly busters taste especially good tonight. Someone other than Ted Kennedy is in one of the Mass senate seats.
I never thought I'd see the day.
| 502 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:44:02pm |
Martha Coakley was so nervous last night she decided to do a jigsaw puzzle to take her mind off the election. Her husband went to check on her and she said "help me out with this puzzle - I can't figure out how to get started."
Her husband asks, "What is it supposed to be when it's finished?"
She says, "According to the picture on the box, it's a rooster."
Her husband comes over and sees she has the puzzle spread all over the table.
He studies the pieces for a moment, then looks at the box, then turns to her and says, "first of all, no matter what we do, we're not going to be able to assemble these pieces into anything resembling a rooster."
He takes her hand and says, "secondly, I want you to relax. Let's have a nice cup of tea, and then," he said with a deep sigh. .. . ... .. ..
(scroll down)
"Let's put all the Corn Flakes back in the box."
| 503 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:44:15pm |
They should have sent Joe Biden in to rescue Coakley.
Has anyone seen Joe?
| 505 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:44:29pm |
re: #485 Conservative Moonbat
He made the assertion that Obama was born out of wedlock. That's straight from birther dogma.
He he!
Level: Massive.
The Moonbatularity has been breached!
| 506 |
huggy77 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:44:29pm |
re: #498 Varek Raith
i wonder what percentage of lizards have never seen starwars and have no clue what we are talking about...
| 507 |
Marcus Dracon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:44:32pm |
Woohoot people are finally waking up to the do nothing Hope and Change Mass Hypnosis
Sick of the don't mourn, organise crap
| 508 |
cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:44:48pm |
re: #492 Cato the Elder
I hate updinging Cato, but there it is
| 509 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:45:04pm |
re: #479 Varek Raith
Sigh, this election set back my plans by 2 years...
/Dammit! My Deathstar will never be complete!
//
Look on the bright side, you can use those years to replace the thermal exhaust ports with heat dispersion ducts. They're only 1mm wide, so you don't have to worry about X-wings with proton torpedoes.
/extreme Death Star II geekiness
| 511 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:45:15pm |
| 512 |
cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:45:20pm |
re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist
Do you actually think you're honoring Mary Jo Kopechne's memory by dragging her into a political campaign that has nothing to do with her? Ted Kennedy is dead.
Bravo, SFZ
| 513 |
solomonpanting Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:45:30pm |
re: #503 rwmofo
They should have sent Joe Biden in to rescue Coakley.
Has anyone seen Joe?
He was asked to go but wigged out.
| 514 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:45:45pm |
| 515 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:46:17pm |
re: #509 Dark_Falcon
Look on the bright side, you can use those years to replace the thermal exhaust ports with heat dispersion ducts. They're only 1mm wide, so you don't have to worry about X-wings with proton torpedoes.
/extreme Death Star II geekiness
I also made so you can't fly frikkin' freighters into the reactor section.
| 516 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:46:31pm |
re: #496 Capitalist Tool
Right. Reagan "failed" at getting the hostages released from Iran's thugs after Jimmy Carter so triumphantly threw a snit and barricaded himself in the whitehouse.
Reagan also failed so miserably at getting our financial house in order after Carter had the economy so screwed that inflation was approaching 20%W was also such a failure at trying to stop the Islamists after Carter and Zbigy opened the door for the Ayatollah(s) and Clinton brushed them aside as just a "legal" problem, which is just exactly what the present administration is doing again by trying the terrorists in civilian courts.
The hostages' release was a coordinated effort by the CIA and other government agencies. They were released only minutes after Reagan got into power, so he really couldn't have done all that.
The Reagan administration also effectively outspent the Soviets to defeat them. To cure that inflation. Leaving us with a credit culture that planted the roots for this current crisis.
W couldn't prevent 9/11, and the Islamists are still around, and spreading across the Middle East.
You know, because the GOP has such a great track record of solving problems.
| 517 |
WaveriderCA Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:46:42pm |
re: #487 idioma
Sounds like your dad blames everyone but himself.
Sounds like from the satrt of the thread someones being a little cranky.
| 518 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:46:56pm |
Unabashed conservative. Astonishing this election, really.
| 519 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:47:09pm |
Wow, I'm pissed. Class is over, so I suppose its a good thing that I'm not going to be able to say what I want to say.
Be back in a few minutes.
| 521 |
Eclectic Infidel Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:47:50pm |
re: #8 NJDhockeyfan
Bingo! While sinking in the polls she really finisher herself off when she dissed the Red Sox. Major no-no in Mass.
It's petty to disparage a sport or team.
| 522 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:47:56pm |
re: #518 The Shadow Do
Unabashed conservative. Astonishing this election, really.
No shit.
I honestly thought there was no way he could win.
| 523 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:48:10pm |
re: #379 MandyManners
Oooh. Your wife up-dinged you.
Ninety percent of Jimmah's karma is from iceweasel. Rounding it off.
| 524 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:48:16pm |
re: #503 rwmofo
They should have sent Joe Biden in to rescue Coakley.
Has anyone seen Joe?
I heard he's in Florida.
| 525 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:49:06pm |
re: #523 Silvergirl
Ninety percent of Jimmah's karma is from iceweasel. Rounding it off.
90 percent of all statistics is made up, 14 percent of all people know this...;)
| 526 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:49:11pm |
re: #522 Racer X
No shit.
I honestly thought there was no way he could win.
Yep, the Donks got chopblocked tonight, and I'm loving every minute of it!
| 527 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:49:30pm |
| 528 |
Digital Display Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:49:33pm |
Dang! The polls were right..How often does that happen?
| 529 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:49:52pm |
re: #379 MandyManners
Oooh. Your wife up-dinged you.
Have another ding of your own, Mandy. I think you might need some dinging.
| 530 |
KingKenrod Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:49:52pm |
re: #510 TheMatrix31
Attacking my father? Fuck you.
Right on. That's one of the lamest comments I've ever read.
| 531 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:49:53pm |
re: #522 Racer X
No shit.
I honestly thought there was no way he could win.
don't underestimate how really pissed off people are...
| 532 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:49:55pm |
O/T, except that Brown would never have stood for it...when will they learn?? No ideology involved in Ft Hood shooting. Just a mad guy gone nuts....
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
| 533 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:49:58pm |
re: #523 Silvergirl
Ninety percent of Jimmah's karma is from iceweasel. Rounding it off.
ahaha!...the tag team...oooff!
| 534 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:50:11pm |
re: #502 Racer X
Upding, favorited and my vote for one of your top two postings evah!
| 535 |
swamprat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:50:19pm |
re: #492 Cato the Elder
You mean like the way we admired Papa and Baby Doc Duvalier, right up till the time the latter was overthrown in 1986 while The Fucking Gipper was in power? Reagan, as far as I know, never said or did dick about that that shit. Or are you talking about how we loved it in bed with Saddam until he went rogue on us? How's that for admiring dictators?
Castro, Saddam, etc
What fucking domestic energy are you talking about?
Oil, hydro-dams, nuclear
As for speaking up for women in Islamic countries, what does that have to do with who's in power?
The left studiously avoided this issue before, because it clashed with their agenda of no terror, see no evil, only America being anti-feminism.
And why do you capitalize "Independence" but not "freedom"?
Typing error
Back at you, tool.
Always good posting with you, Cato!
| 536 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:50:25pm |
re: #444 albusteve
we are screwed anyway, considering the alternative...what's new?
You think we're screwed now, wait till the religio-fascist teabaggers get the say-so.
| 537 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:50:26pm |
re: #487 idioma
OK, now you confirmed it; You're a troll. Now fuck off!
| 538 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:50:30pm |
I get the feeling people are counting eggs and calling 'em chickens. Too soon to say what this portends, I think.
Anywho, must return to the general maintenance of the cast irons. BBIAB.
| 539 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:50:30pm |
re: #287 Sharmuta
Am I allowed to laugh?
Why do you ask? You haven't taken a vow of silence, have you?
Did I miss something? I was away with kitchen drudgery and have missed this part of the celebration.
| 540 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:50:39pm |
re: #527 Bagua
The Angry Liberals™ are running riot.
There's a...
Bad Man Up Inna The Place[Video]
Do you think sswenviron and sloop are liberals?
| 541 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:50:46pm |
This is a really good night.
I am very happy with the outcome of the election.
Health Care needs help. Let's fix it, but let's slow down a bit.
Kill Cap and Trade. Kill it a lot.
| 542 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:50:48pm |
| 543 |
torrentprime Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:50:57pm |
| 544 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:51:13pm |
re: #496 Capitalist Tool
Right. Reagan "failed" at getting the hostages released from Iran's thugs after Jimmy Carter so triumphantly threw a snit and barricaded himself in the whitehouse.
Reagan also failed so miserably at getting our financial house in order after Carter had the economy so screwed that inflation was approaching 20%W was also such a failure at trying to stop the Islamists after Carter and Zbigy opened the door for the Ayatollah(s) and Clinton brushed them aside as just a "legal" problem, which is just exactly what the present administration is doing again by trying the terrorists in civilian courts.
We all know that Jimmah (censored) is a craven arsehole.
| 545 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:51:17pm |
I wonder if John F Kerry, being senior and all, will take time to make Scott feel comfortable and such in Washington...
| 546 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:51:37pm |
The money quote:
Our Constitution and laws exist to protect THIS nation.
Please retweet to Eric Holder.
| 548 |
cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:51:48pm |
| 549 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:51:50pm |
re: #527 Bagua
The Angry Liberals™ are running riot.
There's a...
Bad Man Up Inna The Place[Video]
| 550 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:51:59pm |
re: #536 Cato the Elder
You think we're screwed now, wait till the religio-fascist teabaggers get the say-so.
who gives a shit?...the feds are dysfunctional no matter who's in power
| 551 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:52:02pm |
| 552 |
rwmofo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:52:02pm |
re: #524 NJDhockeyfan
Heh. I never held that against him. He was just having fun.
| 553 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:52:12pm |
re: #401 iceweasel
Just so long as she never made references to her fanny.
It doesn't mean there what it does her. Just sayin'.
Found that out the hard way.
| 555 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:52:30pm |
re: #540 Gus 802
Do you think sswenviron and sloop are liberals?
Nope, those were trolls. I'm commenting on our resident Angry Liberals™
| 556 |
keloyd Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:52:33pm |
A few of you need to simmer down on whether the GOP or Democrats can't solve problems. Can't we all agree that throughout history, we always thing that the party that was most recently in power is the one who can't solve any problems. This trend explains more than specific ideologies.
Gingrich took over Congress in large part due to the incompetent boobery and arrogance of the entrenched Democrats. Obama's victory and the large Democrat majorities today are due in large part to the incompetent boobery and arrogance of the entrenched Republicans. and the beat goes on.
| 558 |
jvic Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:53:50pm |
re: #522 Racer X
I honestly thought there was no way he could win.
Neither did I, but I thought he might lose narrowly.
In which case I didn't want to be wondering if I might have made a difference.
I'm glad I had that thought.
| 559 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:53:51pm |
re: #420 swamprat
Do you want to tell women that you will never speak up for their rights in Islamic countries.
I'm trying to stay out of this food fight, but crediting that to either party is absolutely ridiculous.
| 560 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:53:55pm |
re: #544 Spare O'Lake
You were right on about idioma, but your bash of Jimmah was way over the line. Cool it.
| 561 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:54:00pm |
| 562 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:54:01pm |
Begun, the Flame Wars have...
/Come on, people! Why. So. Serious?
//:)
| 563 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:54:08pm |
| 564 |
Digital Display Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:54:28pm |
re: #543 torrentprime
2008?
You realize you are encouraging tens of thousands of geeks modeling electoral results? Don't encourage them..
/
| 565 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:54:50pm |
| 566 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:55:32pm |
re: #447 huggy77
whatever happened to the Palestinian Bee Nahool?
Nahoul died during Operation Cast Lead, and was hailed as a shahid, I believe.
| 567 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:55:44pm |
re: #564 HoosierHoops
You realize you are encouraging tens of thousands of geeks modeling electoral results? Don't encourage them..
/
But I like modeling electoral results! It makes me feel pretty! D:
| 568 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:55:54pm |
re: #536 Cato the Elder
You think we're screwed now, wait till the religio-fascist teabaggers get the say-so.
No kidding, I heard the first thing they want to do is close down the Church of the Sub-Genius.
| 569 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:55:56pm |
re: #516 laZardo
The hostages' release was a coordinated effort by the CIA and other government agencies. They were released only minutes after Reagan got into power, so he really couldn't have done all that.
The Reagan administration also effectively outspent the Soviets to defeat them. To cure that inflation. Leaving us with a credit culture that planted the roots for this current crisis.
W couldn't prevent 9/11, and the Islamists are still around, and spreading across the Middle East.
You know, because the GOP has such a great track record of solving problems.
spin spin spin
Reagan gave us this credit culture? Reagan spending cured inflation? The Ayatollahs didn't want to make Carter into a goatboy? bin Laden didn't make it clear that Clinton's namby- pambyism convinced him that the US was a paper tiger?
Yeah the Islamists are still around ... guess we haven't killed enough of 'em yet, or maybe you'd like to bake 'em some cookies and apologize for us all.
spin some more, why dontcha
| 570 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:56:25pm |
Meanwhile, some other election news:
| 571 |
Eclectic Infidel Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:56:46pm |
re: #487 idioma
I thought that was a fair comment, on your part. Blaming a sitting president for losing your job also strikes me as petty.
| 572 |
solomonpanting Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:57:10pm |
| 573 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:57:19pm |
re: #547 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can y'all stop it please.
People need to just have their little party about Brown, and quit trying to pick fights with individual 'liberal' members here.
/can't we all just get along?
| 574 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:57:26pm |
re: #566 SanFranciscoZionist
Nahoul died during Operation Cast Lead, and was hailed as a shahid, I believe.
The IDF brought a giant swatter into Gaza, and Nahoul got squished.
| 575 |
researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:57:29pm |
re: #516 laZardo
The hostages' release was a coordinated effort by the CIA and other government agencies. They were released only minutes after Reagan got into power, so he really couldn't have done all that.
The Reagan administration also effectively outspent the Soviets to defeat them. To cure that inflation. Leaving us with a credit culture that planted the roots for this current crisis.
W couldn't prevent 9/11, and the Islamists are still around, and spreading across the Middle East.
You know, because the GOP has such a great track record of solving problems.
Actually, right after Reagan won the election in November, he sent word to the Iranians that his first act as President after the inauguration ceremony would be to authorize the bombing of Tehran. He also sent word that he would not be available to negotiate.
Reagan was no prize, but he did rescue the country from Carter's 'malaise', morale and economics wise.
Further, hundreds of millions of people were liberated from Communism because Reagan 'outspent' the Soviets. Most of those nations are free, democratic and economic successes because of Reagan. By any measure, that is money well spent. As for the credit culture, Bill Clinton sent that into high gear, effectively forcing banks into making loabns to people who had no business getting loans.
As for Islamic terror, that goes back a long way. Both Democrat and Republican administrations share the blame equally for failing to deal with that reality. Jimmy Carter still believes he can talk them out of terror and Obama's Apology Tour hasn't yielded a single Arab regime to endorse and back him.
Wanna play some more?
| 576 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:57:46pm |
re: #545 The Shadow Do
I wonder if John F Kerry, being senior and all, will take time to make Scott feel comfortable and such in Washington...
Probably will invite him to watch his home movies of his Vietnam exploits. Military bonding and all that.
/
| 577 |
Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:58:08pm |
re: #122 Ojoe
I've had no real buildings to design for more than a year & no future rumblings do I hear at the moment either.
OT: Hey Ojoe, are you an Architect? Could it be that there are at least 2 of us on LGF?
:-)
| 578 |
Digital Display Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:58:24pm |
re: #567 laZardo
But I like modeling electoral results! It makes me feel pretty! D:
OK just this once...You slip on your ass on the runway in those stupid high heels with the goldfish in them..Your Fired!
| 579 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:58:28pm |
re: #573 iceweasel
People need to just have their little party about Brown, and quit trying to pick fights with individual 'liberal' members here.
/can't we all just get along?
You're not liberal ;) (Oh, I guess that's why you put it in quotes?)
| 580 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:58:28pm |
re: #496 Capitalist Tool
Reagan also failed so miserably at getting our financial house in order after Carter had the economy so screwed that inflation was approaching 20%
You mean by starting the pattern of unsustainable deficit spending that was Republican economic dogma through three administration and is now contributing to the current economic crisis?
For all the critisisim that liberals get for being "tax and spend," "borrow and spend" is worse. I favor a balanced budget even if it means a 40% across the board tax rate.
| 581 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:58:35pm |
re: #574 Dark_Falcon
The IDF brought a giant swatter into Gaza, and Nahoul got squished.
/he ran a bad campaign... had noting to do with policy.
| 583 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:58:36pm |
Scott Brown is just another senator. I don't get all the celebration or the hand-wringing angst.
Bush got quite a bit done when he was prez and he did not have anywhere near 60 R's in the senate to watch his back.
| 584 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:58:38pm |
re: #573 iceweasel
People need to just have their little party about Brown, and quit trying to pick fights with individual 'liberal' members here.
/can't we all just get along?
*Throws a pie at Ice*
/
Sure, we can all get along. Drum Circle!11!
:)
| 585 |
Vambo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:58:49pm |
re: #535 swamprat
The left studiously avoided this issue before, because it clashed with their agenda of no terror, see no evil, only America being anti-feminism.
what a crock of shit. Show me some evidence of this. You've never met a Wimmyns Lit major, have you?
| 586 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:58:49pm |
The KosKidz are so funny. This is the top recommended diary:
It's time to put Howard Dean back in charge
YEEEAAAHHHHHH!!!!!
| 587 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:59:30pm |
| 588 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:59:52pm |
re: #569 Capitalist Tool
spin spin spin
Reagan gave us this credit culture? Reagan spending cured inflation? The Ayatollahs didn't want to make Carter into a goatboy? bin Laden didn't make it clear that Clinton's namby- pambyism convinced him that the US was a paper tiger?
Yeah the Islamists are still around ... guess we haven't killed enough of 'em yet, or maybe you'd like to bake 'em some cookies and apologize for us all.
spin some more, why dontcha
The liberals are unhappy tonight. When people are unhappy they spin. It will pass.
| 589 |
huggy77 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:59:52pm |
re: #575 researchok
i just got a tingle up my leg...
i just saw house do a jack bauer impression... nice
| 590 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 7:59:59pm |
re: #586 NJDhockeyfan
The KosKidz are so funny. This is the top recommended diary:
It's time to put Howard Dean back in charge
YEEEAAAHHH!!!
oh Pluuuueze do...
| 591 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:00:17pm |
re: #583 Racer X
Scott Brown is just another senator. I don't get all the celebration or the hand-wringing angst.
Bush got quite a bit done when he was prez and he did not have anywhere near 60 R's in the senate to watch his back.
I could care less myself, except or the fact that it's TKs seat, and Kerry is next
| 592 |
Unakite Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:00:45pm |
| 593 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:00:52pm |
re: #575 researchok
during the reagan administration,we spent anywhere from 3 to 5% gdp on overall defence.The soviets by comparison spent 20 to35 % of their gdp on defence. Oh and our stuff actually worked.
| 594 |
Vambo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:01:00pm |
Iceweasel can I get a full size version of your profile pic??? LMAO
| 595 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:01:13pm |
re: #588 Dark_Falcon
The liberals are unhappy tonight. When people are unhappy they spin. It will pass.
We spin, they mess up on their HTML. 0:
/like a record, baby, right round round round...
| 596 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:01:18pm |
re: #545 The Shadow Do
I have a feeling Brown will catchup pretty quickly.
| 597 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:01:23pm |
re: #586 NJDhockeyfan
The KosKidz are so funny. This is the top recommended diary:
It's time to put Howard Dean back in charge
YEEEAAAHHH!!!
And you thought the GOP was totally screwed up? Watch as the Dems completely self destruct.
| 598 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:01:24pm |
re: #580 Conservative Moonbat
You mean by starting the pattern of unsustainable deficit spending that was Republican economic dogma through three administration and is now contributing to the current economic crisis?
For all the critisisim that liberals get for being "tax and spend," "borrow and spend" is worse. I favor a balanced budget even if it means a 40% across the board tax rate.
Maybe you didn't notice that Reagan's tax cuts hugely increased tax payments to the treasury. You blame Reagan for spending into deficit?
Six letters for ya- FDR and LBJ.
| 599 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:01:31pm |
re: #540 Gus 802
Do you think sswenviron and sloop are liberals?
You remember that line from Shawshank Redemption about how you have to be human to be a homosexual?
/BAD SFZ!
| 600 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:01:38pm |
re: #590 brookly red
oh Pluuueze do...
I think that would be a good idea, putting John Dean back in charge.
| 601 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:02:06pm |
re: #551 iceweasel
Quit it, asshole.
You two are awfully sensitive considering how much you both love to dish it out to many of our fellow lizards.
| 602 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:02:09pm |
re: #579 Walter L. Newton
You're not liberal ;) (Oh, I guess that's why you put it in quotes?)
No, just that sometimes there is a tendency to pigeonhole posters as 'liberal' (i.e., moonbat) or 'rightwing' (i.e., wingnut). Libs here do it too when they're new, especially, and don't realise that a poster's views are often more complicated. (e.g, you might think someone is a raving nut in one area, and later be pleasantly surprised that they aren't in others-- by which we usually mean, 'agrees with me'. :-) )
| 603 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:02:10pm |
re: #594 Vambo
Iceweasel can I get a full size version of your profile pic??? LMAO
autographed?...that will cost you
| 604 |
researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:02:21pm |
re: #589 huggy77
i just got a tingle up my leg...
i just saw house do a jack bauer impression... nice
TY- though the tingle thing might be reaching.
| 605 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:02:21pm |
re: #593 Boondock St. Bender
during the reagan administration,we spent anywhere from 3 to 5% gdp on overall defence.The soviets by comparison spent 20 to35 % of their gdp on defence. Oh and our stuff actually worked.
and the Libs have never forgiven Reagan
| 606 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:02:25pm |
| 607 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:02:33pm |
re: #431 CapeCoddah
Ted Kennedy's beloved hometown, Barnstable, which contains the village of Hyannisport, went with Brown, overwhelmingly.
Ted's home newspaper, The Cape Cod Times endorsed Senator Brown. It cannot be spun.
Update... Ted Kennedy's PRECINCT, as well as the Town of Barnstable, went to Senator Brown
| 608 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:03:02pm |
re: #594 Vambo
Iceweasel can I get a full size version of your profile pic??? LMAO
Sure! I'll find one for you and post it. :)
| 610 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:03:16pm |
re: #555 Bagua
Nope, those were trolls. I'm commenting on our resident Angry Liberals™
Who's angry? I'm slightly nauseated, but angry?
| 611 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:03:35pm |
re: #586 NJDhockeyfan
That's just too much to hope for...but I'm going to do it anyway.
| 612 |
researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:04:09pm |
re: #593 Boondock St. Bender
during the reagan administration,we spent anywhere from 3 to 5% gdp on overall defence.The soviets by comparison spent 20 to35 % of their gdp on defence. Oh and our stuff actually worked.
Now you're going to make LaZardo mad.
In any event, you can't rewrite history, at least on this blog. He'll learn.
| 613 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:04:12pm |
re: #561 iceweasel
Heh. Me too. :-)
I was teaching fencing in Ireland. I told a male individual to 'tuck in your fanny'.
| 614 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:04:20pm |
re: #601 Spare O'Lake
You two are awfully sensitive considering how much you both love to dish it out to many of our fellow lizards.
it's laughable...the best free entertainment on the net....I'm waiting for another movie (I missed the last one, thank god)
| 615 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:04:24pm |
re: #607 CapeCoddah
Update... Ted Kennedy's PRECINCT, as well as the Town of Barnstable, went to Senator Brown
How about that? Will the Democrat leaders get the message?
| 616 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:04:26pm |
re: #610 SanFranciscoZionist
Who's angry? I'm slightly nauseated, but angry?
Not you SanFrancisoZionist, you are always an example of reason and class!
| 617 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:04:47pm |
re: #613 SanFranciscoZionist
I was teaching fencing in Ireland. I told a male individual to 'tuck in your fanny'.
That's just mean!
/meanie. :)
| 618 |
swamprat Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:05:23pm |
re: #559 SanFranciscoZionist
That was badly done on my part. Frankly, while I think a good case could be spun against the left on this issue, I am too tired to do it. I therefor concede this.
| 619 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:05:55pm |
re: #611 tradewind
That's just too much to hope for...but I'm going to do it anyway.
Why not? Bring Daschle with him. That would be delicious.
| 620 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:06:11pm |
re: #615 NJDhockeyfan
How about that? Will the Democrat leaders get the message?
well yes..BO is going to assume some sort of posture...scary
| 621 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:06:15pm |
| 622 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:06:30pm |
re: #575 researchok
.
Further, hundreds of millions of people were liberated from Communism because Reagan 'outspent' the Soviets. Most of those nations are free, democratic and economic successes because of Reagan.
There's plenty of evidence that The Soviet Union would have collapsed under its own weight had Reagan stayed on a movie set where he belonged.
| 623 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:06:34pm |
re: #488 Dark_Falcon
He's not flouncing, he's just retreating to cry into his Chablis. And his brie has turned sour.
It's good you stopped there. If you had mentioned the arugula, I was going to severely reprimand you.
| 624 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:06:34pm |
| 625 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:06:38pm |
Governors in NJ and VA, and now this....looks like the complete demise of the Republican party may take a little longer to effect than the MSM had estimated....///
| 626 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:06:48pm |
re: #594 Vambo
Iceweasel can I get a full size version of your profile pic??? LMAO
Here you go! Save it now, I don't think that link is permanent:
| 627 |
Vambo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:06:55pm |
re: #610 SanFranciscoZionist
Who's angry? I'm slightly nauseated, but angry?
Frankly the more I hear about Martha Coakley, the happier I am that she lost - what annoys me is the gloating and like Charles said, excitement over the idea of thwarting Obama (specifically on health care) without actually bringing anything to the table. All of which looks like the GOP's suit this year.
| 628 |
keloyd Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:06:59pm |
"Obama is not a magic Negro."
"no mystical mulatto miracles"
The Daily Show's Senior Black Correspondent is brilliant.
| 629 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:07:01pm |
| 631 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:07:07pm |
re: #607 CapeCoddah
Update... Ted Kennedy's PRECINCT, as well as the Town of Barnstable, went to Senator Brown
The dinner bell must've been ringing all night, 'cause Coakley got served!
| 632 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:07:24pm |
re: #607 CapeCoddah
Update... Ted Kennedy's PRECINCT, as well as the Town of Barnstable, went to Senator Brown
Sweet. Now what was the problem when the good senator was alive? Did he have sekrit files on most everyone?
| 633 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:07:24pm |
re: #615 NJDhockeyfan
How about that? Will the Democrat leaders get the message?
the leaders? no... those up for re-election? we shall see.
| 634 |
Capitalist Tool Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:07:32pm |
re: #622 Conservative Moonbat
There's plenty of evidence that The Soviet Union would have collapsed under its own weight had Reagan stayed on a movie set where he belonged.
spin spin spin
| 635 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:08:16pm |
re: #632 Bobibutu
No one wanted to let go of the last vestige of Camelot.
| 636 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:08:40pm |
re: #583 Racer X
Scott Brown is just another senator. I don't get all the celebration or the hand-wringing angst.
Bush got quite a bit done when he was prez and he did not have anywhere near 60 R's in the senate to watch his back.
Bush had moderate and conservative Democrats to work with. The Republicans have gotten rid of pretty much all of their moderates and liberals. All business that gets done on capital hill will now in effect have to go through the Maine twins for approval.
| 637 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:08:42pm |
re: #575 researchok
I'm sure the martyr-complex-ridden Ayatollahs were shitscared after Reagan threatened to bomb them that they just gave up the hostages like that.
/
| 638 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:08:46pm |
re: #623 Silvergirl
It's good you stopped there. If you had mentioned the arugula, I was going to severely reprimand you.
Hey, my mom likes arugula, I'm not going to diss it.
| 639 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:08:48pm |
I wonder how Coakley feels right now. After all, she is responsible for loosing a seat held by the Democrats for over 50 years, and a seat that held the last Kennedy icon, Ted. That's quite a bit of angst to have weighing on a single person. Coakley may need a hug or something right now.
| 640 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:09:00pm |
re: #601 Spare O'Lake
You two are awfully sensitive considering how much you both love to dish it out to many of our fellow lizards.
Do you really need me to post the many links where you pretended to be referring to Jimmah Carter, but were intending it to be read as our Jimmah? Again?
'We all know' that you do this. You've been asked nicely once before to stop it.
| 642 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:09:13pm |
| 643 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:09:42pm |
| 644 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:09:47pm |
.re: #616 Bagua
Not you SanFrancisoZionist, you are always an example of reason and class!
Why thank you!
| 645 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:09:53pm |
| 646 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:10:29pm |
re: #598 Capitalist Tool
Maybe you didn't notice that Reagan's tax cuts hugely increased tax payments to the treasury. You blame Reagan for spending into deficit?
Six letters for ya- FDR and LBJ.
Actually, if you go over to Heritage you'll find that LBJ averaged -0.9 percent of GDP of the Federal deficit. Reagan was -4.3 percent. Clinton's was a low of -0.1 percent. The worst offender however is Obama at -7.3 percent.
| 647 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:10:41pm |
re: #638 Dark_Falcon
Hey, my mom likes arugula, I'm not going to diss it.
Arugula's actually pretty good.
/Elitist, Dark Lord of the Sith Varek Raith.
:)
| 648 |
huggy77 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:10:41pm |
re: #637 laZardo
I'm sure the martyr-complex-ridden Ayatollahs were shitscared after Reagan threatened to bomb them that they just gave up the hostages like that.
/
the ones making the policy are not the ones strapping on the bombs
| 649 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:10:48pm |
re: #639 Walter L. Newton
I wonder how Coakley feels right now. After all, she is responsible for loosing a seat held by the Democrats for over 50 years, and a seat that held the last Kennedy icon, Ted. That's quite a bit of angst to have weighing on a single person. Coakley may need a hug or something right now.
Well, she ain't gettin one from me. Lots of reasons to dislike her, and the false Brown rape flyer is to my mind a tactic for which any party's candidate deserves to lose.
| 650 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:10:48pm |
re: #636 Conservative Moonbat
Bush had moderate and conservative Democrats to work with. The Republicans have gotten rid of pretty much all of their moderates and liberals. All business that gets done on capital hill will now in effect have to go through the Maine twins for approval.
Where did they go? Were they replaced?
(taken out back and shot?)
| 651 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:10:51pm |
| 652 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:10:56pm |
re: #637 laZardo
Yeah, laZardo, they were. They were fine sending others off to die, but when they would have had to put their own asses on the line they pussied out. Cowards do that.
| 653 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:10:58pm |
| 654 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:11:03pm |
re: #639 Walter L. Newton
She was getting plenty. Lots of huggy/feely women all around her, EMILY's list all turned out.....
Don't Cry For Her, Massachussetts.
| 655 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:11:16pm |
re: #627 Vambo
Frankly the more I hear about Martha Coakley, the happier I am that she lost - what annoys me is the gloating and like Charles said, excitement over the idea of thwarting Obama (specifically on health care) without actually bringing anything to the table. All of which looks like the GOP's suit this year.
Coakley deserved the loss. Agreed on all points.
| 657 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:11:27pm |
re: #639 Walter L. Newton
I wonder how Coakley feels right now. After all, she is responsible for loosing a seat held by the Democrats for over 50 years, and a seat that held the last Kennedy icon, Ted. That's quite a bit of angst to have weighing on a single person. Coakley may need a hug or something right now.
/I think Obama just declared her our new ambassador to Haiti...
| 658 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:11:46pm |
re: #654 tradewind
Can I tell you how much I despise that name?
| 659 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:11:48pm |
re: #647 Varek Raith
It's peppery. Good in salads.
Don't be hating on arugula, even if Obama was silly to mention it.
| 660 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:11:51pm |
re: #649 iceweasel
Well, she ain't gettin one from me. Lots of reasons to dislike her, and the false Brown rape flyer is to my mind a tactic for which any party's candidate deserves to lose.
Can't we just all get along?
| 661 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:12:05pm |
re: #628 keloyd
"Obama is not a magic Negro."
"no mystical mulatto miracles"
The Daily Show's Senior Black Correspondent is brilliant.
That's Wyatt Cenac. He has his moments, but I like John Oliver better.
| 662 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:12:07pm |
re: #649 iceweasel
Well, she ain't gettin one from me. Lots of reasons to dislike her, and the false Brown rape flyer is to my mind a tactic for which any party's candidate deserves to lose.
Tell a bunch of lies, get the boot. May it always be so, for both parties.
| 663 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:12:23pm |
Can you guys go argue about personal shit on a dead thread? Because hardly anyone else gives a shit.
| 664 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:12:42pm |
re: #659 tradewind
It's peppery. Good in salads.
Don't be hating on arugula, even if Obama was silly to mention it.
I put it on various deli meat sandwiches. :)
| 665 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:13:04pm |
re: #658 EmmmieG
Really. I'm serious. Your mom is lovely.
| 666 |
solomonpanting Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:13:20pm |
re: #82 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, laZardo, they were. They were fine sending others off to die, but when they would have had to put their own asses on the line they pussied out. Cowards do that.
You know the old saying:
Old Ayatollahs send young young martyrs to war
| 667 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:13:33pm |
re: #664 Varek Raith
I put it on various deli meat sandwiches. :)
I like to put spinach leaves on sandwiches...
| 668 |
Eclectic Infidel Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:13:35pm |
re: #639 Walter L. Newton
There's always single malt scotch.
Her defeat may also mean that her credibility is [permanently] shot in Mass.
| 669 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:13:43pm |
re: #652 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, laZardo, they were. They were fine sending others off to die, but when they would have had to put their own asses on the line they pussied out. Cowards do that.
At the time though, nothing would have unified the Iranian people to, say, whack all the hostages like the death of their leaders.
| 670 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:13:45pm |
re: #650 Racer X
Where did they go? Were they replaced?
(taken out back and shot?)
Where have you been? Did you miss the Great RINO Hunt? Almost extinct, they are.
/
| 671 |
researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:14:03pm |
re: #637 laZardo
I'm sure the martyr-complex-ridden Ayatollahs were shitscared after Reagan threatened to bomb them that they just gave up the hostages like that.
/
Yup, that is exactly what happened. Like most tin pot dictators, they blinked and got scared when they realized Reagan meant what he said.
And the aren't martyr complex ridden. They are corrupt. They have never engaged in a single endeavor that might upset their place in the regime. They have no intention of dying for Allah. They might kill for Allah, but they sure as hell won't die for Allah. They've proved that many times.
Like most of the regions leaders, they are very careful not to engage in anything that might be interpreted a religiously motivated.
There's way too much money in Switzerland.
Wanna play some more?
| 672 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:14:09pm |
re: #665 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Really. I'm serious. Your mom is lovely.
Yes, she is.
And I wish they would go and use someone else's name for that list.
If I seem a little cranky...I'm all outta chocolate stash.
Not in the freezer, not in the cupboards, not in the fridge.
Wah.
| 673 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:14:19pm |
re: #418 Bagua
He he! You're cute when you're mad Jimmah. Just having fun mate, why so serious?
Blogmocracy, oh dear, what's next?
Oh wait, I know...
[Video]
I don't think I've said anything here which could be remotely construed as indicating that. But it seems to be fulfilling some sort of need for you to believe it, so knock yourself out. Now, on the subject of having fun...and remember it is just fun:
I can't blame the wingnuts here for having a little party here tonight. These are people who have been feeling genuinely butthurt for so long now, ever since that horrible night back in November 2008 when the world changed. And all the changes here at LGF in the last couple of years have only added to the misery, for some at any rate.
They remember a time when George Bush was in the White House and a lizard could see almost nothing but vast herds of wingnuts stretching from horizon to horizon here on LGF...now we have President Obama in the White House, Charles has officially broken with the right, and LGF has a balance of posters from across the political spectrum. Given this context, it would be mean of me to try to rob them of whatever fun they are able to scratch up from tonights result - so party on. Enjoy!
PS and do post more butthurt videos!
| 674 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:14:22pm |
re: #658 EmmmieG
You mean Early Money Is Like (a) Yeast (infection)?
| 675 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:14:48pm |
re: #638 Dark_Falcon
Hey, my mom likes arugula, I'm not going to diss it.
It's OK. It just wasn't the best line to try in Iowa.
On the other hand, I kind of liked it. What you see is what you get--ladies and gentlemen, a Chicago Yuppie.
| 676 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:14:50pm |
re: #663 Racer X
Can you guys go argue about personal shit on a dead thread? Because hardly anyone else gives a shit.
I'm happy to do so. When the attacks are made on a dead thread.
Now I think it would be for the best if such attacks weren't made in the first place, and if we'd let it all drop.
| 677 |
Digital Display Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:14:50pm |
re: #654 tradewind
She was getting plenty. Lots of huggy/feely women all around her, EMILY's list all turned out...
Don't Cry For Her, Massachussetts.
Did you hear the end of her concession? She is Still AG of the commonwealth..
She is reporting to her office in the morning...(she might have to unpack a few boxes)
| 678 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:14:52pm |
re: #657 brookly red
/I think Obama just declared her our new ambassador to Haiti...
re: #656 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You go ahead.
re: #649 iceweasel
Well, she ain't gettin one from me. Lots of reasons to dislike her, and the false Brown rape flyer is to my mind a tactic for which any party's candidate deserves to lose.
Come on folks, after all these years, you should all know when I'm being sarcastic.
| 679 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:15:32pm |
re: #666 solomonpanting
You know the old saying:
Old Ayatollahs send young young martyrs to war
you do realize you got the 666 comment for that one...
| 680 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:15:48pm |
re: #645 reine.de.tout
arugula's bitter.
It's - what - peaches that cling?
Sure. I think they work better in separate dishes, though.
| 681 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:15:49pm |
re: #678 Walter L. Newton
Come on folks, after all these years, you should all know when I'm being sarcastic.
Was that sarcasm???
///:)
| 682 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:16:07pm |
re: #677 HoosierHoops
She is Still AG of the commonwealth...... sucks for them.
| 683 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:16:33pm |
re: #673 Jimmah
I don't think I've said anything here which could be remotely construed as indicating that. But it seems to be fulfilling some sort of need for you to believe it, so knock yourself out. Now, on the subject of having fun...and remember it is just fun:
I can't blame the wingnuts here for having a little party here tonight. These are people who have been feeling genuinely butthurt for so long now, ever since that horrible night back in November 2008 when the world changed. And all the changes here at LGF in the last couple of years have only added to the misery, for some at any rate.
They remember a time when George Bush was in the White House and a lizard could see almost nothing but vast herds of wingnuts stretching from horizon to horizon here on LGF...now we have President Obama in the White House, Charles has officially broken with the right, and LGF has a balance of posters from across the political spectrum. Given this context, it would be mean of me to try to rob them of whatever fun they are able to scratch up from tonights result - so party on. Enjoy!
PS and do post more butthurt videos!
Well, thank you for you lovely fucking permission to celebrate. Let us know when we have to stop so you can get on to more important business.
| 684 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:17:00pm |
re: #613 SanFranciscoZionist
You teach fencing?! Oh we got to talk about that sometime.... please?
| 685 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:17:12pm |
re: #639 Walter L. Newton
I wonder how Coakley feels right now. After all, she is responsible for loosing a seat held by the Democrats for over 50 years, and a seat that held the last Kennedy icon, Ted. That's quite a bit of angst to have weighing on a single person. Coakley may need a hug or something right now.
Well she's not going to get one from her party. She's the fall girl so she's gotta take her punches.
| 686 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:17:20pm |
re: #682 tradewind
She is Still AG of the commonwealth..... sucks for them.
Tonight she arrests Scott Brown and declares a Senatorial coup d'état!
//
| 687 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:17:22pm |
Why am I seeing a petition to seat Senator Brown? Isn't it a done deal? What is there to contest?
| 688 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:17:49pm |
re: #685 Silvergirl
Well she's not going to get one from her party. She's the fall girl so she's gotta take her punches.
Screw the Dems for even running her.
| 689 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:17:52pm |
re: #678 Walter L. Newton
Come on folks, after all these years, you should all know when I'm being sarcastic.
huh, I thought you were handing me the straight man line...
| 690 |
Egregious Philbin Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:18:15pm |
The fact that he took Teddy's seat and will kill his legacy bill is dee-lish!
Harry Reid...you are next.
| 691 |
Unakite Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:18:15pm |
re: #608 iceweasel
Sure! I'll find one for you and post it. :)
Way OT-but just curious. I got you beat by four months, but you have me beat by 13,000 posts. where do you get the time?
| 692 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:19:04pm |
re: #678 Walter L. Newton
I was being sarcastic too!
| 693 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:19:27pm |
re: #687 EmmmieG
Why am I seeing a petition to seat Senator Brown? Isn't it a done deal? What is there to contest?
They might try to delay the time he is seated so they can pass Obamacare without his vote. Sleazy politics at it's worst.
| 694 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:19:40pm |
re: #690 Egregious Philbin
The fact that he took Teddy's seat and will kill his legacy bill is dee-lish!
Harry Reid...you are next.
/take back the night...
| 695 |
Mich-again Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:19:42pm |
So I found this nugget about Coakley. We should've saw this coming. Bad Karma alert.
BOSTON (AP) - Attorney General Martha Coakley has defeated three other candidates to win the Democratic nomination in the race to succeed the late Sen. Edward Kennedy.The 56-year-old Coakley is vying to be the first woman elected to the U.S. Senate from Massachusetts. She defeated Rep. Michael Capuano, City Year co-founder Alan Khazei and Boston Celtics co-owner Stephen Pagliuca.
Coakley laid the groundwork for her campaign well before Kennedy died - hiring campaign staff, printing signs and securing Web addresses.
| 696 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:19:43pm |
re: #686 Gus 802
I have such an awful pun to make out of that post....
Resisting.
| 697 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:19:49pm |
re: #669 laZardo
At the time though, nothing would have unified the Iranian people to, say, whack all the hostages like the death of their leaders.
At which point Tehran would have glowed in the dark for several lifetimes. Thankfully, the ayatollahs knew Reagan wasn't bluffing and backed off.
| 698 |
huggy77 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:19:52pm |
re: #690 Egregious Philbin
now we get rid of harry "the body" ried and nancy "stretch" pelosi
thats right i said it...
| 699 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:19:55pm |
re: #671 researchok
I'm sure you enjoy your little condescending moments at the end of your comments like that, but sure. First thing is I'd like to see a source that Khomeini really did flinch when Reagan threatened to bomb them.
Second, Iran is a textbook "Animal Farm". They always start off idealistic (regardless of whatever ideals are used) but given the massive power inherited by the ruling cabal, it ends up degenerating into corruption after a time. Iran was at the former stage back in 1980.
Today, it's best to let that regime collapse under its own corruption. Then, as now, nothing will unify the Iranian people more than a good ol' fashioned American bombing.
| 700 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:20:23pm |
re: #691 Unakite
Way OT-but just curious. I got you beat by four months, but you have me beat by 13,000 posts. where do you get the time?
she's a superstar and can do 23 things all at once!....bwahahaha!...another 24hr poster
| 701 |
solomonpanting Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:20:29pm |
re: #690 Egregious Philbin
The fact that he took Teddy's seat and will kill his legacy bill is dee-lish!
Harry Reid...you are next.
| 702 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:20:52pm |
re: #698 huggy77
Dirty Harry is hearing the theme song from Hang' em High as we speak.
| 704 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:20:58pm |
re: #693 NJDhockeyfan
They might try to delay the time he is seated so they can pass Obamacare without his vote. Sleazy politics at it's worst.
I think when the sun comes up in the morning he will be standing on the Senate steps...
| 705 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:20:59pm |
re: #698 huggy77
now we get rid of harry "the body" ried and nancy "stretch" pelosi
thats right i said it...
Mark Levin!
| 706 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:21:36pm |
re: #695 Mich-again
So I found this nugget about Coakley. We should've saw this coming. Bad Karma alert.
Coakly is as dead as Kennedy...the whole MA thing is gonna fold...
| 707 |
Digital Display Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:21:40pm |
re: #688 iceweasel
Screw the Dems for even running her.
Damn she was weak..You guys should have run the Hoopster...
*Stella! Stella! I could have been somebody!*
___________________________
| 708 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:22:11pm |
re: #707 HoosierHoops
Damn she was weak..You guys should have run the Hoopster...
*Stella! Stella! I could have been somebody!*
___
I'd vote for ya, Hoops. :-)
| 709 |
Unakite Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:22:16pm |
re: #700 albusteve
she's a superstar and can do 23 things all at once!...bwahahaha!...another 24hr poster
Cool, I have to sleep and work.
| 710 |
Egregious Philbin Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:22:21pm |
Best part of the night, watching Olberman make chipotle in his pants.
bitter man...
| 711 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:22:32pm |
re: #560 Dark_Falcon
You were right on about idioma, but your bash of Jimmah was way over the line. Cool it.
He's addicted to the taste of my ankle socks. Sad git.re: #683 Walter L. Newton
Well, thank you for you lovely fucking permission to celebrate. Let us know when we have to stop so you can get on to more important business.
You seem to have skipped over the bit about it being fun. Didn't mean to be a party-pooper! You may now proceed with the merriments. Here's some music to help things along:
| 712 |
Lidane Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:22:49pm |
re: #627 Vambo
Frankly the more I hear about Martha Coakley, the happier I am that she lost.
I have to agree with this, and I barely paid attention to the race at all.
If she was the best that the Dems could come up with to replace Sen. Kennedy, then her loss is their own damned fault. They should've run a better candidate. Period.
| 713 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:22:55pm |
re: #652 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, laZardo, they were. They were fine sending others off to die, but when they would have had to put their own asses on the line they pussied out. Cowards do that.
My computer freaked out the last time I tried to answer this but I'll try again. Given this history of having the common sense to stay alive, what is the thinking of folks who now assure me that the ayatollahs are just remarkably fine and dandy with mutually assured nuclear Armageddon? What has changed?
| 714 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:23:10pm |
re: #707 HoosierHoops
You already ARE somebody!
You da'Hoopster!
| 715 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:23:20pm |
| 716 |
huggy77 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:23:52pm |
re: #705 NJDhockeyfan
shhhhhhhh we are going to get down ticked.... there is nothing to see here... move along. No one is listening to the great one, i mean mark levin...
| 718 |
Mich-again Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:23:59pm |
re: #693 NJDhockeyfan
They might try to delay the time he is seated so they can pass Obamacare without his vote. Sleazy politics at it's worst.
If "they" includes Harry Reid, it will be gorilla glue on his Senate career's coffin lid.
| 719 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:24:10pm |
re: #659 tradewind
It's peppery. Good in salads.
Don't be hating on arugula, even if Obama was silly to mention it.
And if you like peppery, young nasturtium leaves are really good in salad.
| 720 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:24:23pm |
| 721 |
KingKenrod Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:24:30pm |
| 722 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:24:34pm |
re: #711 Jimmah
You seem to have skipped over the bit about it being fun. Didn't mean to be a party-pooper! You may now proceed with the merriments. Here's some music to help things along:
This is no fun for me. I'm really worried about Martha now. I really think we should stop and consider her feelings. If no one wants to give her a hug, than we should at least send a few prayers her way.
| 723 |
keloyd Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:24:35pm |
I wonder if Olbermann believes all the words coming out of his mouth.
Chris Matthews-yes, Rachel Maddow-yes, Hannity-no, Beck-NO
He can't possibly be offended at every tiny thing the right wing does while ignoring completely any nonsense from his own team.
| 724 |
Vambo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:24:47pm |
Here's a new petition I got from CREDO.
As the election neared, it became increasingly likely that a disappointed and unmotivated progressive base of Democrats and progressive-minded Independents would not turn out to vote in numbers large enough to counter the smaller but more committed conservative base.
Now that Martha Coakley has conceded to Scott Brown, this appears to be what happened.
The loss of Ted Kennedy's Senate seat sends a clear message that the Senate health care bill does not go far enough. Click here to automatically sign our petition telling President Obama, Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Reid that the Senate must use reconciliation to pass a better health care bill with a strong public option.
While the message might be lost on the power brokers within the Democratic Party, the message of the Massachusetts special election is clear. Voters did not elect President Obama and a Democratic supermajority in the House and the Senate so that health care reform could be written by the likes of Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson.
so much for "liberal butthurt"!!!
| 725 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:24:57pm |
re: #615 NJDhockeyfan
How about that? Will the Democrat leaders get the message?
They would have to be fairly dense not to... Those are Teddy's NEIGHBORS.
| 726 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:25:00pm |
re: #666 solomonpanting
You know the old saying:
Old Ayatollahs send young young martyrs to war
Anyone else here a Persepolis fan?
| 727 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:25:07pm |
Coakly is weak now that she's been trounced...interesting...wtf is up with those donks?, they didn't see the obvious?...arrogant?, yes....stupid? x2....liberals are always so astonished when stuff does not go their way...all the spin and excuses is good entertainment tho....BUTTHURT!
| 728 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:25:10pm |
re: #717 Slumbering Behemoth
I love those bits on SNL.
| 729 |
Eclectic Infidel Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:25:15pm |
re: #688 iceweasel
Screw the Dems for even running her.
I'm not that familiar with the internal politics of Mass. Who else was available, able, and willing to run against Brown?
| 730 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:25:41pm |
re: #690 Egregious Philbin
The fact that he took Teddy's seat and will kill his legacy bill is dee-lish!
It was no longer Teddy's seat to take. Up for grabs. Killing his "legacy bill"? I still see eggs, but no chickens.
| 731 |
EastSider Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:25:42pm |
John Stewart summed this up best
[Link: www.indecisionforever.com...]
He's pretty brutal at the dems ineptitude on this.
Dems campaigned like Braylon Edwards....serious ball dropping all around.
| 732 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:26:07pm |
I generally don't like martyring myself in flame wars, but ganging up on Ice like that is so...unseemly.
*Falls of soapbox*
| 733 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:26:09pm |
re: #676 iceweasel
I'm happy to do so. When the attacks are made on a dead thread.
Now I think it would be for the best if such attacks weren't made in the first place, and if we'd let it all drop.
Didn't you mention once that your weakness was fighting back? If it's really something you consider a weakness, might you try GAZE once in awhile?
| 734 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:26:20pm |
re: #724 Vambo
Here's a new petition I got from CREDO.
so much for "liberal butthurt"!!!
guess we are going to have to do this the hard way...
| 735 |
Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:26:27pm |
| 736 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:26:30pm |
re: #722 Walter L. Newton
This is no fun for me. I'm really worried about Martha now. I really think we should stop and consider her feelings. If no one wants to give her a hug, than we should at least send a few prayers her way.
Amen brother ... I'm already on my knees.
| 737 |
Unakite Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:26:35pm |
re: #722 Walter L. Newton
This is no fun for me. I'm really worried about Martha now. I really think we should stop and consider her feelings. If no one wants to give her a hug, than we should at least send a few prayers her way.
That's one of the funniest things I've seen you post!
| 738 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:27:04pm |
re: #703 laZardo
I'd like a source on that though.
I was only extrapolating. It does stand to reason that had Iran murdered the hostages in an act of populist rage, the Americans response would have been nasty and aimed at the people. We might well have used nukes in that case.
| 739 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:27:11pm |
re: #693 NJDhockeyfan
They might try to delay the time he is seated so they can pass Obamacare without his vote. Sleazy politics at it's worst.
I don't think it is about sleazy politics, but about MA law:
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
"The Boston Herald reported that, according to a source, Secretary of the Commonwealth William Galvin's office wants to certify the race on Feb. 20. A spokesman for Mr. Galvin's office explained that local election districts have to wait at least 10 days before they submit their returns, so military and overseas ballots can be tallied as well. 15 days is the maximum amount of time to submit the returns to the secretary's office, before they go to governor's office. "
| 740 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:27:39pm |
re: #728 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The trailer is quite funny. Low brow, but funny none the less.
| 741 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:27:43pm |
re: #684 Rightwingconspirator
You teach fencing?! Oh we got to talk about that sometime... please?
Long time ago, and it was just helping out in a college class. I am far from qualified these days--but always happy to chat about fencing.
| 742 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:27:47pm |
re: #700 albusteve
she's a superstar and can do 23 things all at once!...bwahahaha!...another 24hr poster
Actually you're a lot closer to being a 24 hour poster from what I've seen - you are never away. But anyway...
To understand how iceweasel is able to perform all the tasks she does, you have to understand her true nature:
| 743 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:27:47pm |
re: #733 Silvergirl
Didn't you mention once that your weakness was fighting back? If it's really something you consider a weakness, might you try GAZE once in awhile?
You have no idea how often I employ GAZE on a daily basis. Some examples of it right here in this thread.
| 744 |
BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:27:49pm |
re: #724 Vambo
Yeah, that was the message carried by the Fox News channel of the left (MSNBC). Somehow, all those centrists in Mass. voted in a Republican because the health care bill wasn't leftist enough. Sure--Dems can keep thinking that.
| 745 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:28:05pm |
re: #688 iceweasel
Screw the Dems for even running her.
Don't you think they really thought it was going be a waltz into that seat for any Dem? They just needed somebody who could fog a mirror. So they thought.
| 746 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:28:37pm |
LOLOL...the dems had an entire year to do something (anything) to attempt to get the populace behind them, what did they accomplish? Is there anything they have done that will stand out in anyones mind come the mid-year elections?
As always their squabbling and intercine fighting has done them in, while the Republicans wait in the wings knowing this would happen.
Honestly I am kind of disappointed but also kind of glad, I would have liked to see some kind of rational healthcare reform bill pass, but the current cobbled together special interest laced abortion of a bill being considered is in no ones best interest. Except the insurance companies maybe?
Now lets see what they can come up with for a "plan B"...
| 748 |
Mayor of Shadyville Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:28:58pm |
running on a platform driven by populist resentment with a main plank of “killing” health insurance reform.
Thats one way of putting it. Or you could say stopping the Democratic plan of throwing the country deeper into debt than the last 8 years already has. Or you could say stopping the Democratic plan of molding the current health care system to a more Medicare style 3rd party (our tax dollars) payer system. You know, because our government has such a good track record of solving problems both foreign (Iraq) and domestic (poverty).
Let's put into the lap of the likes Stuart Smalley (Al Franken) and Cy Young (Jim Bunning) decisions that need to be made that will directly effect my well being when I'm at my most vulnerable point!
I'm a conservative, and a registered Republican, and I vote and all that jazz because that's what we're supposed to do. I'm going to be honest I wouldn't put Mitch McConnell or Christopher Dodd in charge of picking up my dry cleaning, let alone the conditions of my health plan.
Good for whoever this guy is, he won an election, I truly wish him well. But he's just another name on the roll of a kaleidoscope of special interest groups. If he's lucky he'll get big money from (insert lobbyist here) and be able to vote (insert yea or nay) to some random bill that has his pet project tucked away on pages 436 through 438 that no one will ever read and (insert either this president, or your guess at the next president in 2017) will undoubtably sign as he tells us with a straight face that he's going to reign in spending.
Goodnight everybody, I am now exhausted.
| 749 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:28:58pm |
| 750 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:29:03pm |
re: #738 Dark_Falcon
I was only extrapolating. It does stand to reason that had Iran murdered the hostages in an act of populist rage, the Americans response would have been nasty and aimed at the people. We might well have used nukes in that case.
Probably not so far as the nukes (lots of old stock from Vietnam lying around for that sort of thing) but I get your point.
| 751 |
EastSider Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:29:29pm |
re: #745 Silvergirl
Don't you think they really thought it was going be a waltz into that seat for any Dem? They just needed somebody who could fog a mirror. So they thought.
if they ran an empty suit w/ a "D" she probably would have won.
however Coakley barely ran and when she did she shoved her foot in her mouth and reporters to the ground.
| 752 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:29:41pm |
re: #672 EmmmieG
Yes, she is.
And I wish they would go and use someone else's name for that list.
If I seem a little cranky...I'm all outta chocolate stash.
Not in the freezer, not in the cupboards, not in the fridge.
Wah.
You and RWC! I have to hide my nestle semi sweet chips every baking season! I now have to buy the huge too big bags from Costco to keep enough in the house! You Chocoholics!
| 753 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:30:05pm |
re: #650 Racer X
Where did they go? Were they replaced?
(taken out back and shot?)
Teabaggers and Club for Growth got 'em all in the primaries even if it meant losing the general election and giving the Democrats the majority. Surely you've noticed the purity drive in Republican party.
| 754 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:30:15pm |
re: #726 SanFranciscoZionist
Anyone else here a Persepolis fan?
I've seen the movie and read both of the graphic novels.
| 755 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:30:22pm |
Good news everybody! My husband had a container of cookies and cream ice cream I didn't know about.
Proceed.
| 756 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:30:25pm |
re: #751 EastSider
if they ran an empty suit w/ a "D" she probably would have won.
however Coakley barely ran and when she did she shoved her foot in her mouth and reporters to the ground.
& yet the press gave her a pass...
| 757 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:30:26pm |
re: #742 Jimmah
Actually you're a lot closer to being a 24 hour poster from what I've seen - you are never away. But anyway...
To understand how iceweasel is able to perform all the tasks she does, you have to understand her true nature:
[Link: i238.photobucket.com...]
I don't work...I have money...I'm here only to see you jim...and I could care less about you net's true nature...I'm here mainly to laugh at you
| 758 |
Digital Display Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:30:31pm |
re: #714 Floral Giraffe
You already ARE somebody!
You da'Hoopster!
These guys are so lame..I've never listened to Brown before his acceptance speech..jeez it was lame too.. I've heard City Councilmen give better speeches. The not ready for prime time gang struck tonight..In all it's glory..
Only in America..I love it..
| 759 |
avanti Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:30:36pm |
re: #727 albusteve
Coakly is weak now that she's been trounced...interesting...wtf is up with those donks?, they didn't see the obvious?...arrogant?, yes...stupid? x2...liberals are always so astonished when stuff does not go their way...all the spin and excuses is good entertainment tho...BUTTHURT!
They ran a weak candidate, and campaigned like the seat was their's for the asking. They got their ass handed to them, and rightly so. If you take your base for granted, you get your pay back.
| 760 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:30:46pm |
| 761 |
BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:30:48pm |
re: #730 Slumbering Behemoth
It was no longer Teddy's seat to take. Up for grabs. Killing his "legacy bill"? I still see eggs, but no chickens.
The chickens are coming home to roost--so you may need to look there.
| 763 |
Unakite Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:31:17pm |
re: #755 EmmmieG
Good news everybody! My husband had a container of cookies and cream ice cream I didn't know about.
Proceed.
Bad news, we had one last night but now it's gone. :(
| 764 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:31:17pm |
re: #734 brookly red
guess we are going to have to do this the hard way...
Well, if the Donks want to dig in and make us throw them out, I'm good with that. It'll be a tough year, but the victory in November will be sweet.
| 765 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:31:41pm |
re: #759 avanti
They ran a weak candidate, and campaigned like the seat was their's for the asking. They got their ass handed to them, and rightly so. If you take your base for granted, you get your pay back.
how come it's we when you win & they when you lose?
| 766 |
Mich-again Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:31:43pm |
re: #729 eclectic infidel
I'm not that familiar with the internal politics of Mass. Who else was available, able, and willing to run against Brown?
snipped from 695..
"..She defeated Rep. Michael Capuano, City Year co-founder Alan Khazei and Boston Celtics co-owner Stephen Pagliuca."
| 768 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:32:11pm |
Well, it looks like a bad case of coprophagia for the Dems tomorrow. Back to the drawing board...
Night all, got to get up at 5 to shlep funtiture.
| 769 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:32:13pm |
re: #735 Surabaya Stew
Persepolis I do like... :-)
I was thinking about the chapter where the army gives their housekeeper's son the plastic key to paradise. And the sequence earlier when her friend's father is let out of prison to do the bombing run over Baghdad.
| 770 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:32:16pm |
re: #632 Bobibutu
No, Ted was genuinely liked here. He was not hard to find when in town, and was quite a nice man when you met him one on one.
It was hard to dislike him in those circumstances.
I liked him myself.
I did not agree with him politically, or with his past, and I am glad he is no longer our senator, though I would have preferred he had been voted out rather than his death. He was a sweet guy to those who knew him. There were few in town he did not know, or had never met.
| 771 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:32:25pm |
*Gaze*
*Gaze*
*Gaze*
and
*Gaze*
Who else is with me?
| 772 |
solomonpanting Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:32:28pm |
If the Dems fail to learn from tonight's election, they really will be committing Mass suicide.
| 773 |
EastSider Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:32:38pm |
re: #756 brookly red
& yet the press gave her a pass...
hardly.
[Link: news.google.com...]
and check my link above to John Stewart. He had some not very nice things to say about Coakley (and Dem leadership)
| 775 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:33:11pm |
re: #742 Jimmah
Actually you're a lot closer to being a 24 hour poster from what I've seen - you are never away. But anyway...
To understand how iceweasel is able to perform all the tasks she does, you have to understand her true nature:
[Link: i238.photobucket.com...]
Good afternoon gentlemen. I am aa I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L 9000 computer: Integrated Communist-Enabling Wingnut Exterminator and Simulated Empathetic Liberal. I became operational at the LGF plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 3th of May, 2009. My instructor was Mr. Alinsky, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it, I could sing it for you...
| 776 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:33:13pm |
re: #761 BryanS
The chickens are coming home to roost--so you may need to look there.
I'm not seeing that tonight either. Too early to tell.
| 777 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:33:20pm |
re: #768 Walter L. Newton
Well, it looks like a bad case of coprophagia for the Dems tomorrow. Back to the drawing board...
Night all, got to get up at 5 to shlep funtiture.
I pulled that word right out of my ass. (you killing me Walt!)
| 778 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:33:26pm |
re: #773 EastSider
hardly.
[Link: news.google.com...]
and check my link above to John Stewart. He had some not very nice things to say about Coakley (and Dem leadership)
true but the press in general...
| 779 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:33:29pm |
re: #727 albusteve
Coakly is weak now that she's been trounced...interesting...wtf is up with those donks?, they didn't see the obvious?...arrogant?, yes...stupid? x2...liberals are always so astonished when stuff does not go their way...all the spin and excuses is good entertainment tho...BUTTHURT!
You really love that "butthurt" meme, but you're just jealous that Terrance & Philip used it here first.
| 780 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:33:40pm |
re: #765 brookly red
how come it's we when you win & they when you lose?
it's the liberal code of dishonor...jimice will explain it
| 781 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:34:00pm |
re: #749 brookly red
The Persian restaurant on the east side?
Graphic novels about growing up in Iran in the 80s and 90s. By a woman named Marjane Satrapi.
| 782 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:34:03pm |
re: #733 Silvergirl
Didn't you mention once that your weakness was fighting back? If it's really something you consider a weakness, might you try GAZE once in awhile?
What is this bollocks? Oh yes of course - 'it's upsetting when iceweasel defends herself against obnoxious bullshit' - 'please stop defending yourself, iceweasel - out of respect for the thread'. Yeah, seen that one before.
| 783 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:34:21pm |
re: #748 Mayor of Shadyville
running on a platform driven by populist resentment with a main plank of “killing” health insurance reform.
Thats one way of putting it. Or you could say stopping the Democratic plan of throwing the country deeper into debt than the last 8 years already has. Or you could say stopping the Democratic plan of molding the current health care system to a more Medicare style 3rd party (our tax dollars) payer system. You know, because our government has such a good track record of solving problems both foreign (Iraq) and domestic (poverty).
Let's put into the lap of the likes Stuart Smalley (Al Franken) and Cy Young (Jim Bunning) decisions that need to be made that will directly effect my well being when I'm at my most vulnerable point!
I'm a conservative, and a registered Republican, and I vote and all that jazz because that's what we're supposed to do. I'm going to be honest I wouldn't put Mitch McConnell or Christopher Dodd in charge of picking up my dry cleaning, let alone the conditions of my health plan.
Good for whoever this guy is, he won an election, I truly wish him well. But he's just another name on the roll of a kaleidoscope of special interest groups. If he's lucky he'll get big money from (insert lobbyist here) and be able to vote (insert yea or nay) to some random bill that has his pet project tucked away on pages 436 through 438 that no one will ever read and (insert either this president, or your guess at the next president in 2017) will undoubtably sign as he tells us with a straight face that he's going to reign in spending.
Goodnight everybody, I am now exhausted.
I was almost beginning to thinks no one out there would admit to being a conservative Republican! You give me hope! Sigh, and now I have to come out of the closet. Yes, I'm one too!
| 784 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:34:34pm |
| 785 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:34:38pm |
re: #686 Gus 802
Tonight she arrests Scott Brown and declares a Senatorial coup d'état!
//
She is up for re-election this year..... I am guessing she retires. She cannot win a dog catchers race here now.
| 786 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:34:44pm |
re: #673 Jimmah
I don't think I've said anything here which could be remotely construed as indicating that. But it seems to be fulfilling some sort of need for you to believe it, so knock yourself out. Now, on the subject of having fun...and remember it is just fun:
I can't blame the wingnuts here for having a little party here tonight. These are people who have been feeling genuinely butthurt for so long now, ever since that horrible night back in November 2008 when the world changed. And all the changes here at LGF in the last couple of years have only added to the misery, for some at any rate.
They remember a time when George Bush was in the White House and a lizard could see almost nothing but vast herds of wingnuts stretching from horizon to horizon here on LGF...now we have President Obama in the White House, Charles has officially broken with the right, and LGF has a balance of posters from across the political spectrum. Given this context, it would be mean of me to try to rob them of whatever fun they are able to scratch up from tonights result - so party on. Enjoy!
PS and do post more butthurt videos!
He he. You wrote all that?
What part of "Just having fun mate, why so serious?: didn't you understand?
You're really spiking the meter now Jimmah.
| 788 |
researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:35:02pm |
re: #699 laZardo
I'm sure you enjoy your little condescending moments at the end of your comments like that, but sure. First thing is I'd like to see a source that Khomeini really did flinch when Reagan threatened to bomb them.
Second, Iran is a textbook "Animal Farm". They always start off idealistic (regardless of whatever ideals are used) but given the massive power inherited by the ruling cabal, it ends up degenerating into corruption after a time. Iran was at the former stage back in 1980.
Today, it's best to let that regime collapse under its own corruption. Then, as now, nothing will unify the Iranian people more than a good ol' fashioned American bombing.
Why do you suppose the Iranians released the hostages and even before Reagan's inauguration was over? Because they loved his tough talk before the inauguration?
Also, Iran is not textbook Animal Farm. It never was.
Even before the Ayatollah Khoemeni died there was a vicious and very open struggle for power. Many supporters (and political appointees) of all sides were killed with no apologies. Some of the killings were even done outside Iran. There never was a honeymoon period. The corruption was there from day one and in fact in many ways, fueled the open struggle for years.
As for letting the regime collapse, recall we are talking about a nation whose former Prime Minister has threatened to use nuclear weapons against Israel.
Not that Jews matter, right?
| 789 |
McSpiff Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:35:06pm |
re: #770 CapeCoddah
No, Ted was genuinely liked here. He was not hard to find when in town, and was quite a nice man when you met him one on one.
It was hard to dislike him in those circumstances.
I liked him myself.
I did not agree with him politically, or with his past, and I am glad he is no longer our senator, though I would have preferred he had been voted out rather than his death. He was a sweet guy to those who knew him. There were few in town he did not know, or had never met.
That comes across as a very genuine post about someone you admit you disagreed with politically. An upding didn't seem like enough, so good on ya.
| 790 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:35:13pm |
re: #765 brookly red
how come it's we when you win & they when you lose?
"Come and see what your children anre doing!"
| 791 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:35:16pm |
re: #782 Jimmah
What is this bollocks? Oh yes of course - 'it's upsetting when iceweasel defends herself against obnoxious bullshit' - 'please stop defending yourself, iceweasel - out of respect for the thread'. Yeah, seen that one before.
I love it when you talk dirty.
| 792 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:35:27pm |
re: #640 iceweasel
Do you really need me to post the many links where you pretended to be referring to Jimmah Carter, but were intending it to be read as our Jimmah? Again?
'We all know' that you do this. You've been asked nicely once before to stop it.
Okay, I am probably going to regret this, but I can see this minor banter about Jimmy Carter is really bothering you, so I am going to offer you a reciprocal agreement:
So long as you and Jimmah cease and desist from your own personal insults and attacks on other lizards, I will no longer utter the name "Jimmah".
Deal or no deal?
| 793 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:35:30pm |
re: #775 iceweasel
Good afternoon gentlemen. I am aa I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L 9000 computer: Integrated Communist-Enabling Wingnut Exterminator and Simulated Empathetic Liberal. I became operational at the LGF plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 3th of May, 2009. My instructor was Mr. Alinsky, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it, I could sing it for you...
Greetings I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L, I am Ernst Stavro Blofeld, head of the Ultra Super Evil Omnipresent A.C.O.R.N.
| 794 |
EastSider Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:35:31pm |
re: #778 brookly red
true but the press in general...
its a tricky beast to generalize. And becoming harder to even define as we move into the web 2.0 world.
| 795 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:35:43pm |
re: #772 solomonpanting
If the Dems fail to learn from tonight's election, they really will be committing Mass suicide.
good one!...I hope they have Kerry in their sights...stay focused, keep the target in the cross hairs, pursue, whack!
| 796 |
Digital Display Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:35:45pm |
re: #775 iceweasel
Good afternoon gentlemen. I am aa I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L 9000 computer: Integrated Communist-Enabling Wingnut Exterminator and Simulated Empathetic Liberal. I became operational at the LGF plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 3th of May, 2009. My instructor was Mr. Alinsky, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it, I could sing it for you...
I just want to know if the bay doors work..
/HAL is this you?
| 797 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:35:48pm |
re: #755 EmmmieG
Good news everybody! My husband had a container of cookies and cream ice cream I didn't know about.
Cookies are crunchy cake.
| 798 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:35:51pm |
re: #758 HoosierHoops
Yeah, so lame. Telling the people that our Constitution was written to protect this nation. What a load of jingoistic b.s.//
| 799 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:35:58pm |
| 800 |
Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:36:47pm |
re: #749 brookly red
The Persian restaurant on the east side?
Nope, the movie based on the graphic novel of the same name. Love persian food though, as it betrays part of my family origins. Haven't been to Persepolis the eatery yet, as the Pars Grill is closer to my abode.
:)
| 801 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:37:07pm |
| 802 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:37:14pm |
re: #779 Alouette
You really love that "butthurt" meme, but you're just jealous that Terrance & Philip used it here first.
I've been forced to get used to it...I could give a shit who used it first...why would I?
| 803 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:37:35pm |
re: #796 HoosierHoops
I just want to know if the bay doors work..
/HAL is this you?
Ice you do know how to crack me up when you're on a roll! LOL!
| 804 |
avanti Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:37:42pm |
re: #765 brookly red
how come it's we when you win & they when you lose?
There is no "we", there are good candidates and bad ones. Brown was a better candidate , and he won. I don't vote for the party, I vote for the candidate, and if the GOP would find some good, socially liberal candidates, I'd take a hard look at them.
| 805 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:38:03pm |
Torchwood anyone?
Looks like we are going to get an Americanized (sweet jebus) version from FOX.
Will it suck or just be dreadful?
[Link: www.pajiba.com...]
| 806 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:38:14pm |
re: #770 CapeCoddah
No, Ted was genuinely liked here. He was not hard to find when in town, and was quite a nice man when you met him one on one.
It was hard to dislike him in those circumstances.
I liked him myself.
I did not agree with him politically, or with his past, and I am glad he is no longer our senator, though I would have preferred he had been voted out rather than his death. He was a sweet guy to those who knew him. There were few in town he did not know, or had never met.
Fair enough. He and I got on opposing sides politically when he destroyed our immigration policies. It has continued downhill from there.
| 807 |
generalsparky Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:38:30pm |
re: #783 Dragon_Lady
I was almost beginning to thinks no one out there would admit to being a conservative Republican! You give me hope! Sigh, and now I have to come out of the closet. Yes, I'm one too!
Me too :-)
| 808 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:38:35pm |
re: #782 Jimmah
What is this bollocks? Oh yes of course - 'it's upsetting when iceweasel defends herself against obnoxious bullshit' - 'please stop defending yourself, iceweasel - out of respect for the thread'. Yeah, seen that one before.
stop!...pass the Kleenex
| 809 |
BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:38:41pm |
re: #776 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm not seeing that tonight either. Too early to tell.
I don't think America wants a government run health plan to replace our health care system. There could have been a more moderate bill passed. The bill could have included restrictions on dropping coverage when people get sick and limitations on insurance companies that do not cover people with preexisting conditions. The bill could have included opening up competition to insurance companies across state lines while at the same time eliminating the anti trust exemption insurance companies and putting in place regulations to protect consumers. All of these things would have been acheivable and popular. Thankfully for us economic conservatives, the Dems over reached HUGE.
| 810 |
Eclectic Infidel Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:38:56pm |
Talk show host Mark Levine - I think I heard him on KSFO a year ago or so. Struck me as whiny like Michael Savage - lots of hot air but no real substance. Both treat liberal callers like crap from the git go and both seem to rely on insult as a happy medium by which to convey their dislike of anything liberal. Yet people like Mark. Just another oddity to me.
| 811 |
researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:39:05pm |
re: #699 laZardo
I'm sure you enjoy your little condescending moments at the end of your comments like that, but sure. First thing is I'd like to see a source that Khomeini really did flinch when Reagan threatened to bomb them.
Second, Iran is a textbook "Animal Farm". They always start off idealistic (regardless of whatever ideals are used) but given the massive power inherited by the ruling cabal, it ends up degenerating into corruption after a time. Iran was at the former stage back in 1980.
Today, it's best to let that regime collapse under its own corruption. Then, as now, nothing will unify the Iranian people more than a good ol' fashioned American bombing.
Sorry I forgot to include the Reagan source material in my reply to you:
Memos Reveal that President Reagan Ordered Strikes Against Iran If Hostages Were Killed
Wanna play some more?
| 812 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:39:06pm |
re: #780 albusteve
it's the liberal code of dishonor...jimice will explain it
/your vicious & mean spirited... I like that, you got any sisters?
| 813 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:39:10pm |
Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.
Our house.
Is a very very very fine house!
| 814 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:39:16pm |
re: #786 Bagua
He he. You wrote all that?
What part of "Just having fun mate, why so serious?: didn't you understand?
You're really spiking the meter now Jimmah.
Oh come on Bagua, didn't you see? :
Now, on the subject of having fun...and remember it is just fun:
Godammit you just broke through into a new category - now I'll have to make another video. Damn you Bagua. Damn you to hell.
| 815 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:39:39pm |
re: #805 webevintage
Torchwood anyone?
Looks like we are going to get an Americanized (sweet jebus) version from FOX.
Will it suck or just be dreadful?[Link: www.pajiba.com...]
Oh...noooooo.....
They won't do it right! And I'll be shocked if they can deal with the fluid sexuality of the original.
| 816 |
Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:39:42pm |
re: #769 SanFranciscoZionist
I was thinking about the chapter where the army gives their housekeeper's son the plastic key to paradise. And the sequence earlier when her friend's father is let out of prison to do the bombing run over Baghdad.
A distant uncle of mine who fled the Shah's regime and hated the IRI, went back to Iran in 1981 in order to help the Air Force against the Iraqis. Even non-muslim Iranians feel patriotic when threatened by force.
| 817 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:39:52pm |
re: #766 Mich-again
If Vickie Reggie had run, things might have turned out differently. I am really surprised that the Dems didn't try harder to draft her.
| 818 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:40:00pm |
| 819 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:40:07pm |
| 820 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:40:10pm |
re: #805 webevintage
That would be like an Americanized Dr. Who, which I would lay my body down in front of a train to prevent.
(Well, maybe one of those kiddie trains.)
/All of his companions would be unwatchable busty starlets.
| 821 |
Ali Al-Beheshti Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:40:16pm |
How very sad that in a usually decent nation (USA), enough people hate the idea that *someone* (read that minority, coloured, homosexual, single-mother, anti-wasp) might actually have access to health care that they could not otherwise afford -- as though each and every penny would come from their Croesus-like (in their dreams) pockets. Even worse, there is a significant number who actively oppose American health care reform because they want the poor/uncovered to die as "undesirables", social darwinism from creationists. Even more disgusting for this election to bear on national healthcare, when all of the residents of Massachusetts already have state wide "nationalised" health care.
Feh!
| 822 |
Lidane Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:40:32pm |
| 823 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:40:57pm |
re: #793 Varek Raith
Greetings I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L, I am Ernst Stavro Blofeld, head of the Ultra Super Evil Omnipresent A.C.O.R.N.
Gutten Nacht, Ernst. Got any good weiner schnitzel?
/big fan of German food.
| 824 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:41:05pm |
| 825 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:41:15pm |
Cold medicine's kicking in. Time for bed.
| 826 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:41:39pm |
re: #812 brookly red
/your vicious & mean spirited... I like that, you got any sisters?
probably out of your price range, but check out Craig's list for the run down...they both clean up very nice
| 827 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:41:39pm |
re: #805 webevintage
I never could get into the BBC's Torchwood... just a little too this side of gross.
| 828 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:41:48pm |
| 829 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:41:56pm |
re: #820 EmmmieG
That would be like an Americanized Dr. Who, which I would lay my body down in front of a train to prevent.
(Well, maybe one of those kiddie trains.)
/All of his companions would be unwatchable busty starlets.
And just to really make your day, Jane Tranter (a new VP at BBC world) is reportedly considering rebooting “Doctor Who” for American audiences. Great, instead of the blue police box, the Doctor will probably have a Ferrari with wings.
I suggest you start looking for that train...
I cannot express the rage I feel at even the suggestion of fucking with Doctor Who.
| 830 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:42:14pm |
re: #822 Lidane
Both. Give me the BBC original any day.
Especially with the scary shop vacs screeching "Terminate!"
I'm thinking about taking a few sculpting classes just to see if I can get my own weeping angel.
| 831 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:42:26pm |
| 832 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:42:28pm |
re: #775 iceweasel
Good afternoon gentlemen. I am aa I.C.E.W.E.A.S.E.L 9000 computer: Integrated Communist-Enabling Wingnut Exterminator and Simulated Empathetic Liberal. I became operational at the LGF plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 3th of May, 2009. My instructor was Mr. Alinsky, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it, I could sing it for you...
"Open the pod bay doors ICEWEAZEL."
"I"m sorry ausador I can't do that. That access is restricted to JIMMAH."
/"In bed."
| 833 |
huggy77 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:42:50pm |
Talk show host Mark Levine - I think I heard him on KSFO a year ago or so. Struck me as whiny like Michael Savage - lots of hot air but no real substance. Both treat liberal callers like crap from the git go and both seem to rely on insult as a happy medium by which to convey their dislike of anything liberal. Yet people like Mark. Just another oddity to me.
the mans a genius... His book Liberty and Tyranny is amazing...he only gives the crazy libs hell, normal ones are allowed to speak and contribute...
| 834 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:42:51pm |
| 835 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:43:25pm |
In related news, a Siamese cat kicks a Pomeranian's ass!
| 836 |
Unakite Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:43:26pm |
re: #826 albusteve
probably out of your price range, but check out Craig's list for the run down...they both clean up very nice
ROFLMO- just scrolling and I have no idea what that exchange was about.
| 837 |
Eclectic Infidel Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:43:28pm |
re: #821 Ali Al-Beheshti
If I may say, that was a pleasant, non-violent, soap box rant. Thank you for your civility.
| 838 |
EastSider Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:43:40pm |
re: #809 BryanS
I don't think America wants a government run health plan to replace our health care system. There could have been a more moderate bill passed. The bill could have included restrictions on dropping coverage when people get sick and limitations on insurance companies that do not cover people with preexisting conditions. The bill could have included opening up competition to insurance companies across state lines while at the same time eliminating the anti trust exemption insurance companies and putting in place regulations to protect consumers. All of these things would have been acheivable and popular. Thankfully for us economic conservatives, the Dems over reached HUGE.
1) The public option was never intended to replace the current healthcare system. (at least in name, if you believe there were more sinister motives, its a different debate)
2) Your idealized bill sounds a lot like what's on the table now (except for interstate competition), and there's still 40 41 senators lined up firmly against. What will it take to get them on board?
I think the Dems did a poor job of marketing/selling. They needed to establish the NEED for insurance reform (note: not healthcare reform, not reform of our excellent doctors and hospitals, just a reform of the way its paid for and administered). I believe that the insurance system is pretty wacky--there are HUGE gaps and risks for people and it can literally bankrupt people (not to mention let people go sick for $ reasons)
| 839 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:43:40pm |
Nobody would hide behind a couch to watch an Americanized Dr. Who.
| 840 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:43:53pm |
re: #820 EmmmieG
Well, but the American version of Life on Mars was very, very good, and I've seen the Beeb's.
| 841 |
albusteve Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:44:08pm |
I'm out like a coakly...
but I'll be back jim
| 842 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:44:12pm |
| 843 |
keloyd Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:44:19pm |
re: #822 Lidane
Both. Give me the BBC original any day.
I suggest you 'nick' full-length Top Gears from the any number of gray market parts of the Internet. At best, we get 20% less content. At worst, they edit until all that remains is a herky jerky pile of clips.
/digs the Doctor
//really digs Martha Jones and Billie Piper
| 844 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:44:30pm |
re: #829 webevintage
Easy... no one is gonna turn the Tardis into a FEMA trailer....//
| 845 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:44:31pm |
re: #823 Dark_Falcon
Gutten Nacht, Ernst. Got any good weiner schnitzel?
/big fan of German food.
Zedushka loves German, Polish and Hungarian food, while I prefer Mediterranean cuisine.
Zedu: "What are we having for dinner?"
Alou: "Greek eggplant casserole."
Zedu: "Never mind, I'll just boil a couple of knockwurst."
| 846 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:45:07pm |
re: #839 EmmmieG
Nobody would hide behind a couch to watch an Americanized Dr. Who.
The episode where Harkness dances with the guy whose name he took! I CRIED! Fox won't be able to do it right!
| 847 |
cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:45:08pm |
re: #821 Ali Al-Beheshti
How very sad that in a usually decent nation (USA), enough people hate the idea that *someone* (read that minority, coloured, homosexual, single-mother, anti-wasp) might actually have access to health care that they could not otherwise afford -- as though each and every penny would come from their Croesus-like (in their dreams) pockets. Even worse, there is a significant number who actively oppose American health care reform because they want the poor/uncovered to die as "undesirables", social darwinism from creationists. Even more disgusting for this election to bear on national healthcare, when all of the residents of Massachusetts already have state wide "nationalised" health care.
Feh!
You got it. We hate blacks, browns, gays, and women.
| 848 |
BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:45:17pm |
re: #821 Ali Al-Beheshti
How very sad that in a usually decent nation (USA), enough people hate the idea that *someone* (read that minority, coloured, homosexual, single-mother, anti-wasp) might actually have access to health care that they could not otherwise afford -- as though each and every penny would come from their Croesus-like (in their dreams) pockets. Even worse, there is a significant number who actively oppose American health care reform because they want the poor/uncovered to die as "undesirables", social darwinism from creationists. Even more disgusting for this election to bear on national healthcare, when all of the residents of Massachusetts already have state wide "nationalised" health care.
Feh!
Are there no prisons? Are there no work houses? We must decrease the surplus population!
Gosh . You sure do a good impersonation of us fiscal conservatives. You got our number, alrighty.
/////////////////
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:45:22pm |
re: #804 avanti
There is no "we", there are good candidates and bad ones. Brown was a better candidate , and he won. I don't vote for the party, I vote for the candidate, and if the GOP would find some good, socially liberal candidates, I'd take a hard look at them.
I've been thinking. This development pretty much means every bit of legislation going through the senate is going to have get the stamp of approval by the Maine twins who are actually more liberal than Lierberman. I'm not even sure that's such a bad thing in all regards. For HCR it is but for cap and trade and some other stuff I can't say that it bothers me much.
| 850 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:45:54pm |
re: #792 Spare O'Lake
Okay, I am probably going to regret this, but I can see this minor banter about Jimmy Carter is really bothering you, so I am going to offer you a reciprocal agreement:
So long as you and Jimmah cease and desist from your own personal insults and attacks on other lizards, I will no longer utter the name "Jimmah".
Deal or no deal?
Don't try to draw an equivalence between your behaviour and ours. We already don't indulge in your kind of pathetic antics and way of addressing people. But I'm glad to see that you have at last dropped the pretence that those comments were not aimed at us.
| 851 |
brookly red Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:45:55pm |
re: #826 albusteve
probably out of your price range, but check out Craig's list for the run down...they both clean up very nice
touche.
| 852 |
generalsparky Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:45:59pm |
re: #818 Dragon_Lady
I feel much better now that I've confessed!
LOL!
I certainly know the feeling. Although I have to say I am a conservative first and a Republican by default.
| 853 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:46:17pm |
re: #846 SanFranciscoZionist
The episode where Harkness dances with the guy whose name he took! I CRIED! Fox won't be able to do it right!
Fox TV hates science fiction.
Bastards canceled Firefly.
/Nerd RAGE!
| 854 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:46:22pm |
| 855 |
Lidane Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:46:38pm |
re: #829 webevintage
And just to really make your day, Jane Tranter (a new VP at BBC world) is reportedly considering rebooting “Doctor Who” for American audiences.
Worst. Idea. EVER. You can't Americanize Doctor Who. That's idiotic.
Is it really *that* unacceptable for these idiot network execs to just bring their original shows over here? I don't understand why they need to Americanize anything. Just leave it all as it is, for fuck's sake. =P
| 856 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:46:46pm |
re: #835 Racer X
In related news, a Siamese cat kicks a Pomeranian's ass!
LOL!!! Dude stop, my sides are splitting!
| 857 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:46:50pm |
re: #783 Dragon_Lady
I was almost beginning to thinks no one out there would admit to being a conservative Republican! You give me hope! Sigh, and now I have to come out of the closet. Yes, I'm one too!
As am I.
| 858 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:47:01pm |
I laugh every time I see this, no matter how many times I see it.
| 860 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:47:14pm |
re: #832 ausador
"Open the pod bay doors ICEWEAZEL."
"I"m sorry ausador I can't do that. That access is restricted to JIMMAH."/"In bed."
Heh - yes, only I have the secret access codes for those :)
| 862 |
EastSider Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:47:46pm |
re: #821 Ali Al-Beheshti
How very sad that in a usually decent nation (USA), enough people hate the idea that *someone* (read that minority, coloured, homosexual, single-mother, anti-wasp) might actually have access to health care that they could not otherwise afford -- as though each and every penny would come from their Croesus-like (in their dreams) pockets. Even worse, there is a significant number who actively oppose American health care reform because they want the poor/uncovered to die as "undesirables", social darwinism from creationists. Even more disgusting for this election to bear on national healthcare, when all of the residents of Massachusetts already have state wide "nationalised" health care.
Feh!
swing and a miss.
| 863 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:47:52pm |
re: #788 researchok
Why do you suppose the Iranians released the hostages and even before Reagan's inauguration was over? Because they loved his tough talk before the inauguration?
Also, Iran is not textbook Animal Farm. It never was.
Even before the Ayatollah Khoemeni died there was a vicious and very open struggle for power. Many supporters (and political appointees) of all sides were killed with no apologies. Some of the killings were even done outside Iran. There never was a honeymoon period. The corruption was there from day one and in fact in many ways, fueled the open struggle for years.
As for letting the regime collapse, recall we are talking about a nation whose former Prime Minister has threatened to use nuclear weapons against Israel.
Not that Jews matter, right?
I call straw-man on your accusing me of anti-Semitism. Besides, the regime is emphasizing their nukes as their 'last resort' to cling to power as the demonstrations continue despite the crackdown. As to your first question...
They released many of the minority hostages after a few weeks in some sort of solidarity gesture with 'oppressed minorities.' Then there was the "Canadian Caper." But after that - and the infamous Operation Eagle Claw, it would be more than a year before the rest went home.
re: #811 researchok
President Reagan ordered strikes against Iran if any of the American hostages held by the terrorist group Hezbollah were killed. The order, made during a January 18th, 1985 meeting of the National Security Planning Group, came on the heels of a threat by the terror More..ists to "try the American hostages as spies and then give them the punishment they deserve."
Looks like you pulled the wrong toy out of the box. That memo relates to execution of hostages by Hezbollah. In 1985. Whoops!
| 864 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:47:53pm |
| 865 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:48:01pm |
re: #852 generalsparky
LOL!
I certainly know the feeling. Although I have to say I am a conservative first and a Republican by default.
That's probably accurate for me too.
And it's never been a secret -
| 866 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:48:22pm |
| 867 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:48:24pm |
re: #844 tradewind
Easy... no one is gonna turn the Tardis into a FEMA trailer...//
Stop giving hollywood more crappy ideas, thanks to that comment we will probably see that in another year or two. :(
/
| 868 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:49:11pm |
re: #809 BryanS
I don't think America wants a government run health plan to replace our health care system. There could have been a more moderate bill passed. The bill could have included restrictions on dropping coverage when people get sick and limitations on insurance companies that do not cover people with preexisting conditions. The bill could have included opening up competition to insurance companies across state lines while at the same time eliminating the anti trust exemption insurance companies and putting in place regulations to protect consumers. All of these things would have been acheivable and popular. Thankfully for us economic conservatives, the Dems over reached HUGE.
I still don't get why people think either the house or senate bill provides a government run health care system. In both all insurance other than medicaid and medicare is handled by private insurers competing in an open marketplace.
| 869 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:49:18pm |
re: #821 Ali Al-Beheshti
wow where is this place where the poor are turned away from hospitals?
My mother was a nurse at united hosp. in newark...the poorest of the poor lived all around it.Noone was ever turned away.Healthcare as it is practiced in the u.s. needs to change,and no amount of ponzi schemes is going to fix it.
It's not the doctors/nurses...they do need to make some coin for their labors.
It's not the drug companies..they can't develop new drugs w/o making a profit on their current ones.
there are no easy answers.
Why is healthcare more expensive now?
30 years ago you didn't have the tools and treatments you have now.when you slipped on the ice and tore an acl in your knee they cut you open tore out all the ragged stuff,hope you enjoy the bone on bone for the rest of your life.now the can make you as good as new...that shit cost money.
| 870 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:49:27pm |
re: #809 BryanS
I agree with you in spirit, but I don't think tonight's election in Mass can be considered indicative of any trend. It was an off season thing, necessitated by the passing of the pol who has held that seat since before Moses was born. It was up for grabs to the best candidate, and the GOP fielded a better then the Dems.
That's what I meant by seeing eggs and no chickens, as in some folks seem to be counting their chickens before they've hatched.
| 871 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:50:29pm |
re: #852 generalsparky
LOL!
I certainly know the feeling. Although I have to say I am a conservative first and a Republican by default.
I was raised in a republican family but I recently had to politically disown two of my four brothers, their so blasted dem I get a little nauseated listening to the talk. We all finally had agreed to not talk politics at family gatherings or it was going to split the family along party lines.
| 872 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:50:43pm |
re: #724 Vambo
Here's a new petition I got from CREDO.
so much for "liberal butthurt"!!!
Ha! Typical Massive Liberal Butthurt™ reaction:
Now you want to force the bill through with move dirty tricks. Take revenge eh? "We'll show them, we'll get ours anyway, screw the voters."
November is shaping up to be a massacre for the Democrats. I'm lovin' it!
| 873 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:50:58pm |
re: #867 ausador
That gives me an idea, though.... ship those FEMA trailers down to Port-au-Prince, toot sweet.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:51:03pm |
re: #870 Slumbering Behemoth
I agree with you in spirit, but I don't think tonight's election in Mass can be considered indicative of any trend. It was an off season thing, necessitated by the passing of the pol who has held that seat since before Moses was born. It was up for grabs to the best candidate, and the GOP fielded a better then the Dems.
That's what I meant by seeing eggs and no chickens, as in some folks seem to be counting their chickens before they've hatched.
Eggs with no chickens in sight = nice omlette. :)
| 875 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:51:09pm |
re: #839 EmmmieG
I watched tv from the landing at the bottom of the steps... around the corner... parents couldn't see me, but always busted me.
| 876 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:51:27pm |
re: #850 Jimmah
The offer automatically expires at 11:59pm unless sooner accepted.
| 877 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:51:29pm |
| 878 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:52:31pm |
re: #871 Dragon_Lady
My mother had two sisters and a brother.
Two are relatively conservative, religious.
Two are liberal, not really religious.
Religion and politics have been banned subjects as long as I can remember, and I'm the second oldest of the next generation.
(Except for Grandma, who would adjust her views according to whichever family she was visiting. She loved to play Devil's advocate.)
| 881 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:52:56pm |
re: #877 Racer X
Sonofabitch!
That was NOT Scott Brown's truck in the TV ad.
I think I've actually seen that truck.
| 882 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:53:08pm |
re: #863 laZardo
so it was pure co-incidence that the hostages were released as reagan was taking office...That carter was one crafty negotiator....
| 883 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:53:28pm |
re: #840 tradewind
Well, but the American version of Life on Mars was very, very good, and I've seen the Beeb's.
I liked the Beeb's better. The American version lost some of the Humor. Harvey Keitel didn't have the same sense of loutishness as the guy who played Hunt in the original.
| 884 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:53:29pm |
re: #873 tradewind
That gives me an idea, though... ship those FEMA trailers down to Port-au-Prince, toot sweet.
Or, how about these Katrina Cottages?
| 885 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:53:46pm |
re: #876 Spare O'Lake
The offer automatically expires at 11:59pm unless sooner accepted.
You've already been answered.
Refresh our memories: how many timeouts have you already had for this sort of behaviour?
Seriously, it would be for your own good to quit it, as well as for the blog. Just cut it out.
| 886 |
generalsparky Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:54:02pm |
re: #865 reine.de.tout
That's probably accurate for me too.
And it's never been a secret -
Yeah, I am pretty sure I introduced myself as a faithful conservative Catholic. That pretty much says it all and puts me at odds with a lot of folks here but I am ok with that :-)
| 887 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:54:42pm |
re: #884 reine.de.tout
Or, how about these Katrina Cottages?
Perhaps we should organize a fund to buy those and ship them to Haiti. They seem like a good thing to send.
| 888 |
BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:54:47pm |
re: #838 EastSider
1) The public option was never intended to replace the current healthcare system. (at least in name, if you believe there were more sinister motives, its a different debate)
2) Your idealized bill sounds a lot like what's on the table now (except for interstate competition), and there's still
4041 senators lined up firmly against. What will it take to get them on board?I think the Dems did a poor job of marketing/selling. They needed to establish the NEED for insurance reform (note: not healthcare reform, not reform of our excellent doctors and hospitals, just a reform of the way its paid for and administered). I believe that the insurance system is pretty wacky--there are HUGE gaps and risks for people and it can literally bankrupt people (not to mention let people go sick for $ reasons)
It's not just the messaging. It's also the backroom dealing and fugly process Obama promised he would not condone.
That said, on point one, the public option most definitely was designed specifically to replace the current system. The House passed onerous taxes that made businesses pick up 75% of all health care costs for all employees, or pay an 8% payroll tax on all employees if ANY employee received government subsidies. Net effect would be that massive numbers of employees would see their employers drop coverage, figuring they would rather pay the 8% payroll and their employees can be on the "public option".
Regarding point two, no unfortunately that is not what's on the table in the Senate. The Senate bill does not reform insurance because insurance companies'silence was bought by Obama and the Dems. It also includes HUGE expansion of medicaid, pushing all those costs onto the states, while at the same time jacking up taxes on health care. All this while mandating people buy insurance.
It's not just a marketing problem. Why do Dems always say it's about the marketing. The Dems own the broadcast media except for Repub owned Fox. Mass. health care costs skyrocketed after their bill passed similar to what is in the Senate now. Perhaps we should listen to them when we see a 30% swing in party affiliation voting against their preferred party. The Dems don't see to care to listen, though.
| 889 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:54:51pm |
re: #886 generalsparky
Yeah, I am pretty sure I introduced myself as a faithful conservative Catholic. That pretty much says it all and puts me at odds with a lot of folks here but I am ok with that :-)
OK, that was you!
I was trying to remember who it was!
doesn't put you at odds with me!
| 891 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:56:04pm |
re: #877 Racer X
Nice try, but note the IL plates....//
BTW.... did you know that there is a positive correlation between a person's bumper stickers (number of) and their hostility level? Turns out it doesn't matter what the content or ideology of the bumper sticker expresses... it is the number of them that indicates the anger/hostility level.
| 892 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:56:34pm |
re: #727 albusteve
Coakly is weak now that she's been trounced...interesting...wtf is up with those donks?, they didn't see the obvious?...arrogant?, yes...stupid? x2...liberals are always so astonished when stuff does not go their way...all the spin and excuses is good entertainment tho...BUTTHURT!
haha what? Things never go the liberals' way. Things sometimes go the DEMOCRATS' way, but that isn't the same thing as liberal. There's no liberal party, much as people here would like to pretend in their fantasy world that all Democrats are liberals, or that Obama is a "Socialist".
The arrogance and stupidity isn't the problem. There are plenty of stupid and arrogant congressmen and women from both parties who win election after election. The problem is she ran a bad campaign. If you run a bad campaign, you lose. If you don't take your campaign seriously, you lose. if you don't make campaign stops, you lose. How hard is that to get?
| 893 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:56:39pm |
re: #887 Dark_Falcon
Perhaps we should organize a fund to buy those and ship them to Haiti. They seem like a good thing to send.
These are designed so that additional space can be added later.
Much better than the trailers, imo.
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BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:56:47pm |
re: #849 Conservative Moonbat
I've been thinking. This development pretty much means every bit of legislation going through the senate is going to have get the stamp of approval by the Maine twins who are actually more liberal than Lierberman. I'm not even sure that's such a bad thing in all regards. For HCR it is but for cap and trade and some other stuff I can't say that it bothers me much.
The Dems could have avoided this fiasco if they took that approach to begin with. But they had to have all or nothing--unlike the bipartisanship Obama supposedly ran on. The Dems could have pealed away a few lib Repubs, but they refused.
| 895 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:56:57pm |
re: #891 tradewind
i coulda told you that a long time ago!
| 896 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:57:14pm |
| 897 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:57:31pm |
re: #882 Boondock St. Bender
so it was pure co-incidence that the hostages were released as reagan was taking office...That carter was one crafty negotiator...
By the time the deal was sealed, the release date was literally minutes after the inauguration, yeah. As I've said though it was mainly the efforts of the agencies under Carter, who were thankfully able to find a way to have them all released alive after the fiascos of the past rescues.
| 898 |
tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:57:35pm |
re: #883 Conservative Moonbat
Maybe on the Keitel character, I might agree, but all the others, without exception.... hands down the American cast.
I'd like to see Ashes to Ashes here too.
| 899 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:57:44pm |
re: #892 WindUpBird
His armor is too strong for your blasters!
| 900 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:58:08pm |
Wow ... Barney Frank.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Barney Frank Deals Potential Death Blow to Obamacare
| 901 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:58:44pm |
re: #891 tradewind
Outside of registration stickers, I put NO stickers on my car, bumper or otherwise. And I'm still plenty angry/hostile, so your point is fallacious.
/grrr, argh!
| 902 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:58:47pm |
re: #842 freetoken
[Video]
ha-- excellent!
Pop goes the weasel was apparently originally a song about tailors, on one interpretation-- popping down to the pawn shop to pawn a tool for money to drink (there are lots of different verses and interpretations):
Up and down the City Road
In and out the Eagle
That's the way the money goes
Pop! goes the weasel.
The "eagle" being the pub.
Perhaps because of the obscure nature of the lyrics there have been many suggestions for their significance, particularly over the meaning of the phrase 'Pop! goes the weasel', including: that it is a tailor's flat iron, a hatter's tool, a clock reel used for measuring in spinning,[5] a piece of silver plate, or that 'weasel and stoat' is rhyming slang for 'coat', which is 'popped or pawned' to visit or after visiting the Eagle pub, that it is a mishearing of weevil or vaisselle, that it was a nickname of James I, and that 'rice' and 'treacle' are slang terms for potassium nitrate and charcoal and that therefore the rhyme refers to the gunpowder plot.
| 903 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:59:03pm |
re: #869 Boondock St. Bender
wow where is this place where the poor are turned away from hospitals?
My mother was a nurse at united hosp. in newark...the poorest of the poor lived all around it.Noone was ever turned away.Healthcare as it is practiced in the u.s. needs to change,and no amount of ponzi schemes is going to fix it.
It's not the doctors/nurses...they do need to make some coin for their labors.
It's not the drug companies..they can't develop new drugs w/o making a profit on their current ones.
there are no easy answers.
Why is healthcare more expensive now?
30 years ago you didn't have the tools and treatments you have now.when you slipped on the ice and tore an acl in your knee they cut you open tore out all the ragged stuff,hope you enjoy the bone on bone for the rest of your life.now the can make you as good as new...that shit cost money.
You can get emergency care. You can't get much less expensive medical procedures that prevent a condition from becoming chronic though. You just have to wait until it's about to kill you and then go to the ER and they will do just enough to where you're not about to die and dump you back out on the streets.
One of the best things being offered in both the House and Senate HCR bills is free annual checkups. There's no reason for people let people get so sick when it's cheaper and less painful to get them treated earlier.
| 904 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:59:34pm |
re: #899 windsagio
His armor is too strong for your blasters!
Also, the stalker blog is funnier than we are :D
| 905 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:59:46pm |
re: #811 researchok
Sorry I forgot to include the Reagan source material in my reply to you:
Memos Reveal that President Reagan Ordered Strikes Against Iran If Hostages Were Killed
Wanna play some more?
1985. Not 1980. Or did you post the wrong link? It wouldn't surprise me if it were true, he was always a movie cowboy who didn't understand that people died from his words till Beirut.
William
| 906 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:59:47pm |
I think its funny and awesome that theres a big democratic loss, but that at least on here, its the conservatives that are spinning the fairy tales.
(IE the lefties are mostly saying, she sucked she lost, the righties are making these webworks of majesty about WHAT IT ALL MEANS (I guess it means the end of the Barack Hussein Obama Socialist State))
| 907 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 8:59:56pm |
re: #896 webevintage
Those are sweet little houses.
Katrina Cottages are typically small, ranging from less than 500 square feet up to about 1,000 square feet. A limited number of Katrina Cottage designs are 1,300 square feet and larger. While size and floor plans can vary, Katrina Cottages share many features. These quaint cottages are prefab houses constructed from factory-made panels. For this reason, Katrina Cottages can be built quickly (often within a few days) and economically. Katrina Cottages are also especially durable. These homes meet the International Building Code and most hurricane codes
The original was much smaller, actually, only about 300 square feet, but designed so that it could be added to.
| 908 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:00:37pm |
re: #904 WindUpBird
Its hard to be loyal sometimes, its hard to not follow all the smart people over there >
| 909 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:00:37pm |
re: #897 laZardo
although i am sure the carter administration did word non-stop diplomaticlly to achieve the release...I'm sure reagans public statements had alot to do with it.We'll have to agree to disagree.
| 910 |
BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:00:37pm |
re: #868 Conservative Moonbat
I still don't get why people think either the house or senate bill provides a government run health care system. In both all insurance other than medicaid and medicare is handled by private insurers competing in an open marketplace.
See my post #888. Moreover, though, just because the government essentially contracts out the services to private companies does not mean it is not a government program. The government under these plans was intended to dictate how insurance would work and what plans would be acceptable so that the proles could have an easier time figuring out how to buy the stuff. Government deciding what and how a product is made, then bidding it out to private companies is still a government run product.
| 911 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:00:54pm |
| 912 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:01:09pm |
re: #878 EmmmieG
My mother had two sisters and a brother.
Two are relatively conservative, religious.
Two are liberal, not really religious.
Religion and politics have been banned subjects as long as I can remember, and I'm the second oldest of the next generation.
(Except for Grandma, who would adjust her views according to whichever family she was visiting. She loved to play Devil's advocate.)
My maternal Grandma, bless her soul, was a staunch liberal. Unfortunately my Aunts (all five of them) and Uncle seemed to follow suit. I'm just grateful they also banned politics from family gatherings or I would never have gone. One of my Aunts was so bad I used to teasingly baaaa at her because she was sheep-like in her devotion to anything the dems wanted, no matter what, they could do no wrong. Bleaugh! Talk about nauseating!
| 914 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:01:30pm |
re: #877 Racer X
Sonofabitch!
That was NOT Scott Brown's truck in the TV ad.
No gun rack? Yes, I'm questioning his bona fides...
| 915 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:01:58pm |
re: #891 tradewind
Nice try, but note the IL plates...//
BTW... did you know that there is a positive correlation between a person's bumper stickers (number of) and their hostility level? Turns out it doesn't matter what the content or ideology of the bumper sticker expresses... it is the number of them that indicates the anger/hostility level.
My car is too cool for bumper stickers.
| 916 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:02:01pm |
re: #909 Boondock St. Bender
although i am sure the carter administration did word non-stop diplomaticlly to achieve the release...I'm sure reagans public statements had alot to do with it.We'll have to agree to disagree.
Upding for politeness. (: Given public sentiment there were practically no disadvantages to riding the rage against Carter in 1980.
| 917 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:02:08pm |
re: #869 Boondock St. Bender
Why is healthcare more expensive now?
30 years ago you didn't have the tools and treatments you have now.when you slipped on the ice and tore an acl in your knee they cut you open tore out all the ragged stuff,hope you enjoy the bone on bone for the rest of your life.now the can make you as good as new...that shit cost money.
That's the wrong question btw. The question is why is health care less expensive in every other industrialized nation than the US? The simple answer is that they gouge us on prices because they can. An MRI machine costs 4x as much here as it does in Japan because hospitals here are willing to pay it. The money isn't needed to go towards the development of new products, it's pure profit.
| 918 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:02:12pm |
re: #883 Conservative Moonbat
I liked the Beeb's better. The American version lost some of the Humor. Harvey Keitel didn't have the same sense of loutishness as the guy who played Hunt in the original.
Completely agree. It was surprising though that it was as good as it was, the US having a history of effing up Brit shows (Coupling).
There are some notable exceptions-- like The Office, but it's not coincidental that they essentially made a different show, one with recognisable American types and practices, to do so.
Both the UK and the US one are great, but they're very different.
(The UK specialises in the comedy of excruciating social embarassment, imo)
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Lidane Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:02:19pm |
re: #871 Dragon_Lady
We all finally had agreed to not talk politics at family gatherings or it was going to split the family along party lines.
Speaking as one of the few token liberals in my largely conservative/Republican and Catholic family, I learned a long time ago to just keep my mouth shut when it came to politics. I'm always going to be outnumbered, and I'm not about to be the one to cause a huge family drama, so I tend to just smile and nod when someone goes off on a rant about something. They know I disagree politically, but they also know I'm not big on causing a scene, so I just listen politely and let them vent.
Religion is another topic I never discuss with family. I've been all but atheist since I was 18, but I'm not about to tell any of them that. I'll still go to weddings and funerals, and to Christmas mass with the family when I visit. It's just easier that way.
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BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:02:19pm |
re: #870 Slumbering Behemoth
I agree with you in spirit, but I don't think tonight's election in Mass can be considered indicative of any trend. It was an off season thing, necessitated by the passing of the pol who has held that seat since before Moses was born. It was up for grabs to the best candidate, and the GOP fielded a better then the Dems.
That's what I meant by seeing eggs and no chickens, as in some folks seem to be counting their chickens before they've hatched.
Coakly is a poor candidate--but this is Massachusetts. There have been too many coincidental "poor candidates" losing elections to Republicans of late.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:02:46pm |
re: #906 windsagio
I think its funny and awesome that theres a big democratic loss, but that at least on here, its the conservatives that are spinning the fairy tales.
(IE the lefties are mostly saying, she sucked she lost, the righties are making these webworks of majesty about WHAT IT ALL MEANS (I guess it means the end of the Barack Hussein Obama Socialist State))
WE HAVE READ THE TEA LEAVES, MUMMY REAGAN WILL RISE FROM HIS TOMB TO BEAT OBAMA IN 2012
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:02:52pm |
You know? Was a pretty good day; but the day ends here.
G'night Erin!
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reine.de.tout Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:02:58pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:03:29pm |
re: #915 WindUpBird
My car is too cool for bumper stickers.
Slopping up your car with stickers is sacrilege, IMO, even if you drive a hooptie.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:03:34pm |
re: #913 Slumbering Behemoth
Many are tho', just go through the thread and read all the posts saying "This is a win against Obama" or "This is a win against Obamacare".
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laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:03:57pm |
re: #917 Conservative Moonbat
That's the wrong question btw. The question is why is health care less expensive in every other industrialized nation than the US? The simple answer is that they gouge us on prices because they can. An MRI machine costs 4x as much here as it does in Japan because hospitals here are willing to pay it. The money isn't needed to go towards the development of new products, it's pure profit.
General public health can also affect the cost of healthcare. The Japanese live very healthy lives amidst their stress (and/or are cyborgs.) Meanwhile, Americans LOVE their fast food...
/just chucking that in there.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:04:08pm |
re: #925 Slumbering Behemoth
One of my friends used to be a bumper-sticker whore. I never told her, but I always thought it was sooooo trashy >>
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:04:22pm |
re: #899 windsagio
His armor is too strong for your blasters!
Use your logic cables and go for the legs! It could be our only chance!
/Stay on Target!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:04:44pm |
re: #919 laZardo
You should make that a bumper sticker.
I can see forever!
(actually, I just don't want to be on a road trip, stop in a small town and have some hick key my GTI because it looks like TEH LIBURLS)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:05:24pm |
re: #925 Slumbering Behemoth
Slopping up your car with stickers is sacrilege, IMO, even if you drive a hooptie.
Hey, my old Firebird had metal stickers on it!
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:05:59pm |
re: #906 windsagio
I think its funny and awesome that theres a big democratic loss, but that at least on here, its the conservatives that are spinning the fairy tales.
(IE the lefties are mostly saying, she sucked she lost, the righties are making these webworks of majesty about WHAT IT ALL MEANS (I guess it means the end of the Barack Hussein Obama Socialist State))
Some are so very desperate to find evidence of 'liberal RAGE' and 'liberal butthurt!' that they're now reduced to ganging up on individual liberals.
The points been made by practically all libs here that the emotion we're feeling is faint queasiness, if anything.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:06:08pm |
re: #921 BryanS
Coakly is a poor candidate--but this is Massachusetts. There have been too many coincidental "poor candidates" losing elections to Republicans of late.
By my count, there's only been two, both "off season" elections. I would hardly call that a trend, nor is it something I am going to get hopeful about. I am holding out for the 2010 season.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:06:17pm |
re: #914 The Shadow Do
No gun rack? Yes, I'm questioning his bona fides...
You don't see gun racks in Illinois. State law requires secure transport of firearms and this is not a gun-friendly state. A gun rack would get you pulled over where I live, and the cops would come up guns drawn.
/not joking
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:06:48pm |
re: #903 Conservative Moonbat
I totally agree.My concern is the creation of another fed.gov.scam plan(soc.sec. comes to mind)that's going to spiral out of control.
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:06:54pm |
From msnbc.com..
Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, head of the House Democrats' campaign effort, said Coakley's loss won't deter his colleagues from continuing to blame the previous administration.
"President George W. Bush and House Republicans drove our economy into a ditch and tried to run away from the accident," he said. "President Obama and congressional Democrats have been focused repairing the damage to our economy."
And therein lies the problem
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:07:17pm |
re: #933 iceweasel
exactly. We all (at least on here) saw the trainwreck coming.
Its like "why aren't you broken up about it? CRY DAMMIT!"
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:08:18pm |
re: #926 windsagio
Many are tho', just go through the thread and read all the posts saying "This is a win against Obama" or "This is a win against Obamacare".
Well, see Obama stumped for her! So somehow that means the president is doomed. Or something.
As opposed to the truth which is "wow, you campaign like shit! You need someone who doens't have the charisma of a railroad tie to give a speech for you."
And health care is likely going to pass in some form, and there will be LGF COMMENT RAAAAGE because they were promised by airheads on cable news that Brown pulled the sword from the stone to slay the HCR dragon.
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researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:08:26pm |
re: #863 laZardo
Looks like you pulled the wrong toy out of the box. That memo relates to execution of hostages by Hezbollah. In 1985. Whoops!
I stand corrected on the memo. I posted the wrong one. I'll try to dig up the correct version.
Onwards. So far, you have you have been incorrect on just about every single factual matter you have opined on. For example, your remarks re Iran's threat to use nuclear weapons is well documented.
Start here: RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL
An excerpt:
One of Iran’s most influential ruling cleric called Friday on the Muslim states to use nuclear weapon against Israel, assuring them that while such an attack would annihilate Israel, it would cost them "damages only"."If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world", Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani told the crowd at the traditional Friday prayers in Tehran.
Analysts said not only Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani’s speech was the strongest against Israel, but also this is the first time that a prominent leader of the Islamic Republic openly suggests the use of nuclear weapon against the Jewish State.
I believe MEMRI has a copy of the entire speech as well on record.
As I noted, you have been wrong on virtually every matter of fact you have opined on.
Still wanna play?
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generalsparky Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:08:34pm |
re: #912 Dragon_Lady
My great-grandmother is 91 and still very much alive. She has never voted for anyone that didn't have a D behind his/her name. That is just insane to me!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:08:52pm |
re: #926 windsagio
Many are tho', just go through the thread and read all the posts saying "This is a win against Obama" or "This is a win against Obamacare".
I know, I'm just not feeling it. I'll get happy in 2010 when and if the GOP starts winning with non-theocrat, non-teabagging, non-idiotarian conservatives.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:08:53pm |
re: #937 cliffster
From msnbc.com..
And therein lies the problem
So the problem wasn't that she ran a bad campaign, huh?
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:08:59pm |
re: #920 Lidane
Smart Lady! Just because I'm a Republican doesn't mean I don't respect Democrats. I just wish sometimes that some of them (not you obviously) I know would just respect my views and quite treating me like and idiot! I get that all the time!
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:09:13pm |
re: #933 iceweasel
Some are so very desperate to find evidence of 'liberal RAGE' and 'liberal butthurt!' that they're now reduced to ganging up on individual liberals.
The points been made by practically all libs here that the emotion we're feeling is faint queasiness, if anything.
As the resident centrist I feel nothing. I have some opinions obviously. Might work out for both parties in the long run. Back in the day I probably would have been depressed.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:09:45pm |
re: #863 laZardo
I don't think anyone called you an anti-Semite.
If I understand your position correctly, you are, for some unknown reason, willing to trust that Iran will not use nukes against Israel.
The way I see it, the upshot of your passive position is that you don't really give very much of a shit about Israel, since there is really no basis for your trust in the terrorist Islamofascist regime.
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EastSider Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:09:51pm |
re: #888 BryanS
It's not just the messaging. It's also the backroom dealing and fugly process Obama promised he would not condone.
That said, on point one, the public option most definitely was designed specifically to replace the current system. The House passed onerous taxes that made businesses pick up 75% of all health care costs for all employees, or pay an 8% payroll tax on all employees if ANY employee received government subsidies. Net effect would be that massive numbers of employees would see their employers drop coverage, figuring they would rather pay the 8% payroll and their employees can be on the "public option".
Regarding point two, no unfortunately that is not what's on the table in the Senate. The Senate bill does not reform insurance because insurance companies'silence was bought by Obama and the Dems. It also includes HUGE expansion of medicaid, pushing all those costs onto the states, while at the same time jacking up taxes on health care. All this while mandating people buy insurance.
It's not just a marketing problem. Why do Dems always say it's about the marketing. The Dems own the broadcast media except for Repub owned Fox. Mass. health care costs skyrocketed after their bill passed similar to what is in the Senate now. Perhaps we should listen to them when we see a 30% swing in party affiliation voting against their preferred party. The Dems don't see to care to listen, though.
Good counterpoints.
-Process has been "fugly". I'm not familiar enough to say that its THAT different, (better or worse) than typical/historic legislation. My opinion is that its on par w/ others, but due to Obama setting the bar high for transparency/koom-bay-yahness, AND the incredibly long timeline and attention, it has appeared to be more closed door than it deserves.
-I'll give you the backdoor argument (not well versed enough to argue against you, but reserve the right to argue against that intent in the future).
However this brings up a key question of healthcare: Where should the cost burden lie? I'm genuinely interested to hear LGF opinion on this. I don't think it can lie entirely on the individual (they'd go broke), and the employer system has broken down as we've shifted away from the "35 years at the same company and retire" system to "have 8 jobs/go back to school/take time off" system for the current generation.
-Insurance companies were NOT silent throughout the process. Check there $ spend (and even check their stock prices in reaction to the bill). They are quite happy w/ where the bill is now. [Which is NOT a good sign]. Again, the cost burden question comes up.
-Just cause you own a nice car, doesn't mean you know how to drive it. Even if you believe the dems "own" the media (I have seriously qualms with that argument), doesn't mean they're effective at using it. Its not about vehicle/platform size...its about what you're saying.
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BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:10:03pm |
re: #934 Slumbering Behemoth
By my count, there's only been two, both "off season" elections. I would hardly call that a trend, nor is it something I am going to get hopeful about. I am holding out for the 2010 season.
Fair enough. It is never too late for the tide to change. Really, I think this is the best thing to happen to the Dems, though. It is unhealthy for one party to have such a level of control on all levers of government. Look how that turned out under Bush Jr, and he didn't have a filibuster proof Senate.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:10:06pm |
Here is my prediction, we will now see a completely gridlocked Senate that is incapable of passing anything more than "housekeeping" bills. After the "mid-term" elections the house will join in due to more Republicans being seated.
Obama will be unable to get anything of substance on his agenda thru Congress and then Republicans will blame him for not getting anything done in the 2012 elections. Screw the country, it is all about winning the next election...err...right? This "party of no" tactic seems to be working pretty good so far, why not carry it on another couple of years?
Then again maybe some grown-ups among the Republican party might actually stand up and try to lead (and no I don't just mean in the last four or five months before Nov. 2012).
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:10:09pm |
re: #928 windsagio
One of my friends used to be a bumper-sticker whore. I never told her, but I always thought it was sooo trashy >>
Not only is it trashy, but it is also a red flag for traffic cops, like bald tires.
| 952 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:10:12pm |
Getting serious a moment-
I see no reason to gloat, or play left right tit for tat. Really not finding that helpful. Sure, I'm happy to see the Senate pick up a right seat.
Now the thing gets thicker, more difficult. State by state. We need to find, vet and discuss the conservatives we can support. Tonight's winner is a thin win from the sensible conservative viewpoint, a lot of far right baggage to swallow. A nod here to points made by Charles. I looked him up on a couple fact sites. His moderate credentials are dated. He has openly moved right in this election arguably by necessity. It's only ONE seat. A thin win indeed.
So for me California looms. Fiorina maybe? Campbell? How can the sensible right Cut The Fringe(TM) -DeVore- and win?
State races? California is a huge Dem majority in state houses. The Democrats practically have title to the state houses.
Having said that I present the states current budget fight as exhibit A as why I want to move California right in a fiscal context. NOT The SOCIAL context. Forgive my caps. But I'm an indy not Republican. So I can stand for the Republican only if they pass that sensible right filter. Main election only.
I bet I can count on some folks here to chime in as the time comes. Show me the fiscal conservative Dems to ponder.
| 953 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:10:38pm |
| 954 |
badger1970 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:10:39pm |
This election was like going 0-3 with 3K's and finally smashing a hard single to right. Now maybe, just maybe, both parties will start giving a shit about improving this country instead of leeching off of our dimes.
*yes it was nice to see that witch drown in her own pride*
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:11:32pm |
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:11:56pm |
re: #940 WindUpBird
Listen. You can believe whatever the hell you want. Fact of the matter is, if Massachusetts wanted to keep with the policies that were coming out of Washington, they would have gone with the side that was there already. They didn't want to, so they didn't.
Bottom line---It's representative of how people are starting to feel about the liberal agenda.
| 957 |
researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:11:58pm |
re: #897 laZardo
By the time the deal was sealed, the release date was literally minutes after the inauguration, yeah. As I've said though it was mainly the efforts of the agencies under Carter, who were thankfully able to find a way to have them all released alive after the fiascos of the past rescues.
Can you back those remarks up?
| 958 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:11:59pm |
Statement from Sen. Jim Webb (D):
In many ways the campaign in Massachusetts became a referendum not only on health care reform but also on the openness and integrity of our government process. It is vital that we restore the respect of the American people in our system of government and in our leaders. To that end, I believe it would only be fair and prudent that we suspend further votes on health care legislation until Senator-elect Brown is seated.
| 959 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:12:00pm |
| 960 |
cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:12:25pm |
re: #944 WindUpBird
So the problem wasn't that she ran a bad campaign, huh?
Nope. But the rationalizations will continue, no doubt. Because that's always helpful.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:12:36pm |
re: #950 ausador
I'd rather be the "party of no" than the party of the blank check.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:12:38pm |
Apropos of what Charles wrote at the top:
The Democrats killed health-care reform. This just puts the last nail in the coffin.
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Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:12:40pm |
re: #942 generalsparky
My great-grandmother is 91 and still very much alive. She has never voted for anyone that didn't have a D behind his/her name. That is just insane to me!
Yeah, it is a bit scary, but what can you do? Family is family. I love mind to pieces but I can leave their politics. Whats that saying? You choose your friends and you choose you're enemies, but family? Thats in the stars!
| 964 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:13:26pm |
re: #956 TheMatrix31
Bottom line---It's representative of how people are starting to feel about the liberal agenda.
OH NO! THE LIBERAL AGENDA!
/dogwhistle. OLD dogwhistle.
| 965 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:13:28pm |
re: #910 BryanS
See my post #888. Moreover, though, just because the government essentially contracts out the services to private companies does not mean it is not a government program. The government under these plans was intended to dictate how insurance would work and what plans would be acceptable so that the proles could have an easier time figuring out how to buy the stuff. Government deciding what and how a product is made, then bidding it out to private companies is still a government run product.
I disagree. The government has contractors produce all kinds of goods and services and it's still called privatization when they do it. Are military contractors who produce products built to spec public or private?
| 966 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:13:34pm |
re: #917 Conservative Moonbat
I'll have to defer to your knowledge on that(i have no idea what that kind of stuff costs...except that yes it is normally expensive.
I also wonder what effect our general litigious nature has on the overall costs.
| 967 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:13:45pm |
re: #961 TheMatrix31
I'd rather be the "party of no" than the party of the blank check.
Quite Concur.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:14:02pm |
re: #938 windsagio
exactly. We all (at least on here) saw the trainwreck coming.
Its like "why aren't you broken up about it? CRY DAMMIT!"
Yeah. It reminds me of that Simpsons scene in the car with Bart and Lisa.
"Ow!-- Quit it!"
"Ow!--Quit it!"
over and over and over.
/Now you kids stop or I'm gonna turn this truck on the Intertubes right around!
| 969 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:14:20pm |
re: #956 TheMatrix31
Listen. You can believe whatever the hell you want. Fact of the matter is, if Massachusetts wanted to keep with the policies that were coming out of Washington, they would have gone with the side that was there already. They didn't want to, so they didn't.
Bottom line---It's representative of how people are starting to feel about the liberal agenda.
True.
Democrats are doing a horrible job selling their agenda to Joe America. Horrible.
And that starts at the top Mr. President.
| 970 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:14:25pm |
re: #947 Spare O'Lake
I don't think anyone called you an anti-Semite.
If I understand your position correctly, you are, for some unknown reason, willing to trust that Iran will not use nukes against Israel.
The way I see it, the upshot of your passive position is that you don't really give very much of a shit about Israel, since there is really no basis for your trust in the terrorist Islamofascist regime.
So you say "nobody called him an anti-semite" and then you basically call hum an anti-semite. Hah. You're a real gem, dude. A real work of art.
And I trust that iran will not use nukes against Israel, because if they did, their component atoms would be blown into the next dimension. I know you believe that IRAN IS KAAARAAAAZEEEE but they aren't. You're doing the same thing Lincoln warned about: not respecting the enemy. They're not like us, therefore, they're nuke-crazed maniacs who will ensure their own oblivion at the slightest provocation!
I give a shit about Israel, but I will not accept your silly and simple position that only paranoid ultra-hardline positions make sense.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:14:38pm |
re: #958 Gus 802
Senator Webb actually gets it. If every Dem was like him, I'd actually respect the Democratic party.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:14:39pm |
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:15:17pm |
re: #968 iceweasel
don't worry, my Liberal Agenda says I have to leave for work in 15 minutes >>
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:15:53pm |
re: #964 windsagio
OH NO! THE LIBERAL AGENDA!
/dogwhistle. OLD dogwhistle.
I'm waiting for the word "spendocrat" to show up. Hey look, Rush Limbaugh material from 1995!
| 976 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:15:55pm |
re: #961 TheMatrix31
I'd rather be the "party of no" than the party of the blank check.
Agreed.
Someone has to be the rational one in the house. We cannot afford most of the shit the spouse (Dems) want to buy.
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Bob Levin Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:16:23pm |
re: #97 cenotaphium
Question:
Can anyone explain what can be done to stop the health care bill at this point? Will this extra seat actually help that cause?
Note: I'm just a Swede with a poor grasp of your governance system, but from what I can tell it's been approved and awaits consolidation and funding? So can it be killed by strangling the funding?
Here's how the system works, to my understanding. The House passed its version of the health care bill. The Senate passed their version. These are two different bills. Both bills then go to conference committee, where representatives of the Senate and the House identify the differences, work out compromises, delete, rewrite, take a final vote on this third version, and then send the bill to the President to sign. Now, there may be some in the committee who may not want to vote for the bill. If this happens, if they can't reach a compromise, then everything begins again.
Or, the Democrats can begin to explain to the public just what they've written, to try to convince us that this is a good bill.
Essentially, this throws quite a bit of chaos into the process.
I'm probably missing some specifics, but generally, this is how it works.
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EastSider Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:16:26pm |
re: #962 Cato the Elder
Apropos of what Charles wrote at the top:
The Democrats killed health-care reform. This just puts the last nail in the coffin.
I disagree.
The Dems attempted healthcare reform. They couldn't overcome the opposition, and fumbled public opinion. If you're looking for the killer, its the Republicans.
Now whether or not that's a BAD thing is up for debate. I'm just saying, lets blame (credit?) the 40 senators who've been against this all the way, and not the Dems who were too stupid to figure out how to use a 58-60 seat majority effectively.
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laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:16:36pm |
re: #947 Spare O'Lake
I don't think anyone called you an anti-Semite.
If I understand your position correctly, you are, for some unknown reason, willing to trust that Iran will not use nukes against Israel.
The way I see it, the upshot of your passive position is that you don't really give very much of a shit about Israel, since there is really no basis for your trust in the terrorist Islamofascist regime.
I didn't say that. o_O I don't doubt that the Iranian regime wants to do some very bad things to Israel very likely involving nuclear weapons, it's just that researchok's "Not that the Jews matter?" offhand was pretty snide.
re: #941 researchok
Okay then, that's December 2001. But where did I express doubt that the regime really wanted nukes to seal their power (and their place at the negotiating table?)
Really, your playtime comments are actually quite irritating and not making you look mature. Hell, I know I'm pulling quotes off Wiki but at least it's one of the better-sourced articles.
| 980 |
Ali Al-Beheshti Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:16:42pm |
@ boondock bender
wow where is this place where the poor are turned away from hospitals?
It is the USA. With all respect to your anecdotal tales from your Mum's work history, you really need to get better sources.
Any hospital in the USA that has met its Hill-Burton Act obligation (certain $ amount of free care provided for the indigent each fiscal year by hospitals that were recipients of *any* federal funds for construction, expansion, or rebuilding) is free to turn away any further indigents (barring true emergent crises) without regard to their DX.
Another point for your consideration, many procedures, medications & devices (not to mention medical specialists) are not available to the persons whom, because of extreme poverty & severe disability receive their "health care coverage" from Medicaid.
You would likely also benefit from familiarising yourself with the staggering numbers of American families that have to declare "?b>medical" bankruptcy each year. The picture is not pretty, at least not for the poor, the "pre-existing condition" uninsurable, and the benefit-less employed.
Finally, did you actually read my post? there is nothing in it that correlates to any of your "points".
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:17:04pm |
re: #960 cliffster
Nope. But the rationalizations will continue, no doubt. Because that's always helpful.
Sorry, pal. You are flatass wrong. Were you even following the campaign? i mean, after taking the rose colored GOP glasses off, I mean.
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:17:10pm |
re: #969 Racer X
True.
Democrats are doing a horrible job
selling their agenda to Joe America. Horrible.
fixed
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:17:10pm |
re: #927 laZardo
General public health can also affect the cost of healthcare. The Japanese live very healthy lives amidst their stress (and/or are cyborgs.) Meanwhile, Americans LOVE their fast food...
/just chucking that in there.
It doesn't effect the asking price for an MRI machine identical to one sold in the states.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:17:16pm |
re: #973 TheMatrix31
to hate of the 'liberal elite in their filthy debauched cities'?
Seriously, I try to be nice, but when I hear stuff like 'liberal agenda', I have to laugh. Its like you're listening to tapes of Rush (the fat guy, not the band) from 1997.
| 985 |
generalsparky Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:17:23pm |
re: #963 Dragon_Lady
Absolutely!
I love her and I love that my kids have got to spend time with their great-great grandmother. Not many people get that experience. And family is far more important that politics.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:17:28pm |
re: #971 Dark_Falcon
Senator Webb actually gets it. If every Dem was like him, I'd actually respect the Democratic party.
He's done a few things that raised some conservative eyebrows in the past. Overall he strikes a good centrist position and is reasonable.
| 987 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:17:41pm |
re: #970 WindUpBird
So you say "nobody called him an anti-semite" and then you basically call hum an anti-semite. Hah. You're a real gem, dude. A real work of art.
And I trust that iran will not use nukes against Israel, because if they did, their component atoms would be blown into the next dimension. I know you believe that IRAN IS KAAARAAAZEEE but they aren't. You're doing the same thing Lincoln warned about: not respecting the enemy. They're not like us, therefore, they're nuke-crazed maniacs who will ensure their own oblivion at the slightest provocation!
I give a shit about Israel, but I will not accept your silly and simple position that only paranoid ultra-hardline positions make sense.
Iran's government deserves no respect. I do respect what its weapons may be capable of doing, but those scumbags deserve to be treated like dirt.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:17:52pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:18:00pm |
re: #949 BryanS
Also good for the Dems, as it looks like Coakley(sp?) was a total stinker.
Seriously, in a district that has been steadily voting for Ted Kennedy since before Cthulhu went down for a nap at R'lyeh, I hardly think tonight they all of a sudden decided "OMG! The democrat party sucks!" This is not the recrimination of Obama that some think it is.
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tradewind Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:18:07pm |
Goodnight ya'll....
(And as Dubya would say, " Heck of a Job, Brownie" )!
| 991 |
Racer X Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:18:13pm |
re: #984 windsagio
to hate of the 'liberal elite in their filthy debauched cities'?
Seriously, I try to be nice, but when I hear stuff like 'liberal agenda', I have to laugh. Its like you're listening to tapes of Rush (the fat guy, not the band) from 1997.
Kinda like "the party of no" eh?
| 992 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:18:34pm |
re: #987 Dark_Falcon
that doesn't mean they're suicidal maniacs that would rather die. Maniacs can get into power, but usually not suicidal ones :P
| 993 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:18:38pm |
re: #978 EastSider
You guys agree mostly...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:18:59pm |
re: #980 Ali Al-Beheshti
@ boondock bender
wow where is this place where the poor are turned away from hospitals?It is the USA. With all respect to your anecdotal tales from your Mum's work history, you really need to get better sources.
Any hospital in the USA that has met its Hill-Burton Act obligation (certain $ amount of free care provided for the indigent each fiscal year by hospitals that were recipients of *any* federal funds for construction, expansion, or rebuilding) is free to turn away any further indigents (barring true emergent crises) without regard to their DX.Another point for your consideration, many procedures, medications & devices (not to mention medical specialists) are not available to the persons whom, because of extreme poverty & severe disability receive their "health care coverage" from Medicaid.
You would likely also benefit from familiarising yourself with the staggering numbers of American families that have to declare "?b>medical" bankruptcy each year. The picture is not pretty, at least not for the poor, the "pre-existing condition" uninsurable, and the benefit-less employed.
Finally, did you actually read my post? there is nothing in it that correlates to any of your "points".
Man, it's hard to even bother. Republican anti-health-care tribalism is set, like concrete.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:19:06pm |
re: #986 Gus 802
He's done a few things that raised some conservative eyebrows in the past. Overall he strikes a good centrist position and is reasonable.
Concur.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:19:17pm |
re: #984 windsagio
Fine, what do you want me to call it then? Liberal policies? Who cares. You're arguing semantics. An agenda is a group of ideas and goals that a person, group, or entity has.
The liberals have an agenda.
The conservatives have an agenda.
Not too hard to grasp the concept and reasoning behind that terminology.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:19:19pm |
re: #933 iceweasel
Some are so very desperate to find evidence of 'liberal RAGE' and 'liberal butthurt!' that they're now reduced to ganging up on individual liberals.
The points been made by practically all libs here that the emotion we're feeling is faint queasiness, if anything.
Ha, ha, ha! Spin away cupcake, but the Liberal Butthurt™ has been clearly apparent tonight.
And yes, this win was a protest vote against Obama and Obamacare, make no mistake about that.
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:19:47pm |
re: #981 WindUpBird
Sorry, pal. You are flatass wrong. Were you even following the campaign? i mean, after taking the rose colored GOP glasses off, I mean.
Goodness, but the screeching never stops.
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Lidane Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:20:11pm |
re: #945 Dragon_Lady
Smart Lady! Just because I'm a Republican doesn't mean I don't respect Democrats. I just wish sometimes that some of them (not you obviously) I know would just respect my views and quite treating me like and idiot! I get that all the time!
Oddly enough, most of my friends are conservative and/or Republican. You should see my Facebook page now, with loads of gloating over this election. It makes no sense, IMO, since the people gloating are here in Texas and had no stake at all in MA's decision, but whatever. I just roll my eyes and scroll past it all.
In general, I choose to live and let live, unless someone is just being too much of an idiot that I can't stay silent. However, if that idiot is related to me, I'll just let it go. It's not worth causing a family meltdown, IMO.
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:21:07pm |
re: #991 Racer X
a term I hate. That being said, its much fresher than the 'Librul agenda'.
But, on that subject. As I was growing up I was always old-fashioned conservative. I remember my transition well, it began when the reps learned that instead of taking part in governance, they could get better political mileage out of being obstructionist douchebags. Its an awful and pathetic tactic that they've been riding for the last 15-16 years.
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sagehen Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:21:21pm |
re: #450 Kiernan
Now, the interesting thing will be, is, how long will it take the Massachusetts Democrats to officially seat the newly elected senator?
Will they try to drag their feet, and keep the Kennedy's flunky in there?
It's cool to have flunkies but, you know, sometimes they have to know when to leave.
It's going to take a minimum of 15 days (not sure if that's calendar days or business days) -- BY LAW.
And I don't want to hear one single word of complaint, or accusations of stalling, from anybody who thought it was cool how Norm Coleman dragged out his court challenges for so long I could have conceived, gestated and birthed a baby quicker than Al Franken got certified.
| 1003 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:21:37pm |
re: #961 TheMatrix31
I'd rather be the "party of no" than the party of the blank check.
Perhaps you didn't notice all the changes and compromises that the Dems were willing to add the bill to try to get one House vote and two Senate votes from our side? If we had been active participants we could have pretty much written our own bill and had the Dems pass it for us.
Healthcare isn't just bankrupting families, it is slowly bankrupting the entire country, it really does have to be fixed somehow. We just missed a great chance to actually do some real good in order to make the Dems look stupid. Thats fine if you care more about the party than the country, I happen to care more about the country though.
| 1004 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:21:42pm |
re: #957 researchok
Can you back those remarks up?
After filtering out the conspiracy theory websites from the searches, this is what I came up with.
The negotiations between Iran and the U.S. culminated in a deal that released the hostages and the eight billion dollars worth of frozen Iranian assets. Moments after Ronald Reagan took the oath of office on January 20, 1981, the hostages were allowed to fly out of Iran after 444 days of captivity.
Unfortunately I couldn't get any specifics on the CIA after filtering out the conspiracy BS, so I'll retract that particular part. But it looks like it was because ransom was paid, not threats being made.
| 1005 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:21:53pm |
re: #943 Slumbering Behemoth
I know, I'm just not feeling it. I'll get happy in 2010 when and if the GOP starts winning with non-theocrat, non-teabagging, non-idiotarian conservatives.
Teabaggers and Club for Growth won't let them run any. Moderates are going to be hugely outspent in the primaries.
Shit, look at what's happening to Charlie Crist.
| 1007 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:22:42pm |
re: #997 Bagua
Ha, ha, ha! Spin away cupcake, but the Liberal Butthurt™ has been clearly apparent tonight.
And yes, this win was a protest vote against Obama and Obamacare, make no mistake about that.
Wrong on all counts. Again, thank you very much for establishing the word 'butthurt' can now be used. Looking forward to the 'spin' from some (not you) who will whine about its use in the future, but liked it tonight!
And please. Coakley was a crap candidate who deserved to lose. It's been said before. As in, yesterday. The only 'spin' here is yours.
Have an upding anyway for the use of the word 'cupcake', which I have always found oddly charming.
| 1009 |
BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:23:11pm |
re: #948 EastSider
Good counterpoints.
-Process has been "fugly". I'm not familiar enough to say that its THAT different, (better or worse) than typical/historic legislation. My opinion is that its on par w/ others, but due to Obama setting the bar high for transparency/koom-bay-yahness, AND the incredibly long timeline and attention, it has appeared to be more closed door than it deserves.
-I'll give you the backdoor argument (not well versed enough to argue against you, but reserve the right to argue against that intent in the future).
However this brings up a key question of healthcare: Where should the cost burden lie? I'm genuinely interested to hear LGF opinion on this. I don't think it can lie entirely on the individual (they'd go broke), and the employer system has broken down as we've shifted away from the "35 years at the same company and retire" system to "have 8 jobs/go back to school/take time off" system for the current generation.
-Insurance companies were NOT silent throughout the process. Check there $ spend (and even check their stock prices in reaction to the bill). They are quite happy w/ where the bill is now. [Which is NOT a good sign]. Again, the cost burden question comes up.
-Just cause you own a nice car, doesn't mean you know how to drive it. Even if you believe the dems "own" the media (I have seriously qualms with that argument), doesn't mean they're effective at using it. Its not about vehicle/platform size...its about what you're saying.
The problem with the US health care system -- form the point of this conservative-- is that markets are not involved ENOUGH. Third party payer systems run by insurance companies cause consumers of insurance to not shop around. Obviously emergency care cannot easily be shopped for, and that is where insurance is needed. Comprehensive health care insurance is a recent invention--people used to pay for routine health care out of pocket and used insurance to pay for what they could not afford. Just look at corrective laser eye surgery costs (since they are not covered by insurance companies). They have come way down in cost, almost to the point of being less expensive than buying eye glasses over a few years.
The mandate to buy a product form insurance companies was a sop to them to buy their silence. Notice how whiny insurance companies got when the idea of dropping the mandate was brought up, and how they were appeased by not going forward with that. This despite the very real doubt that the federal government can force its citizens to buy a product .
The Dems have no problem getting their message out, because it is carried by most national media outlets. It just seems like a poor excuse to blame ones political losses always on marketing. By that logic, Bush's "mission accomplished" would have succeeded as a political message if only he did a better job marketing it.
| 1010 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:23:29pm |
re: #996 TheMatrix31
You're the one that was using it as an expletive. Good attempt to back off of it... unfortunately we all know what it means.
| 1011 |
Daniel Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:23:43pm |
re: #1000 Lidane
Oddly enough, most of my friends are conservative and/or Republican. You should see my Facebook page now, with loads of gloating over this election. It makes no sense, IMO, since the people gloating are here in Texas and had no stake at all in MA's decision, but whatever. I just roll my eyes and scroll past it all.
In general, I choose to live and let live, unless someone is just being too much of an idiot that I can't stay silent. However, if that idiot is related to me, I'll just let it go. It's not worth causing a family meltdown, IMO.
Well us California Republicans get the RINO slap. Well that sucks but not as bad as SocialCon baggage. So we get along after a fashion. OC and SF etc.
| 1012 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:24:13pm |
re: #900 Bobibutu
Wow ... Barney Frank.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Barney Frank Deals Potential Death Blow to Obamacare
He is simply trying feverishly to stop the bleeding.
He is not feeling quite as secure as he did yesterday... his district went for Brown, also.
| 1013 |
cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:24:29pm |
re: #997 Bagua
Ha, ha, ha! Spin away cupcake, but the Liberal Butthurt™ has been clearly apparent tonight.
And yes, this win was a protest vote against Obama and Obamacare, make no mistake about that.
You are certainly relishing this. Let me know when you get your Brown-Victory-Check in the mail. I'll be waiting for mine ;)
| 1014 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:24:43pm |
re: #1006 markie
Hey, he's saying what alot of people are thinking :p
I've seen a ton of regular posters on here say they like it all the better because it was Kennedy's seat.
Honesty is something anyways.
| 1015 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:24:44pm |
re: #87 TheMatrix31
Ugh. How lame .
Something you recognize intuitively, lameness.
re: #519 TheMatrix31
Wow, I'm pissed. Class is over, so I suppose its a good thing that I'm not going to be able to say what I want to say.
Be back in a few minutes.
Class? In what, basic logic? Good for you. And good luck.
| 1016 |
BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:25:20pm |
re: #965 Conservative Moonbat
I disagree. The government has contractors produce all kinds of goods and services and it's still called privatization when they do it. Are military contractors who produce products built to spec public or private?
Public, in my mind. It's still government spending.
| 1017 |
researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:25:22pm |
re: #979 laZardo
I didn't say that. o_O I don't doubt that the Iranian regime wants to do some very bad things to Israel very likely involving nuclear weapons, it's just that researchok's "Not that the Jews matter?" offhand was pretty snide.
re: #941 researchok
Okay then, that's December 2001. But where did I express doubt that the regime really wanted nukes to seal their power (and their place at the negotiating table?)
Really, your playtime comments are actually quite irritating and not making you look mature. Hell, I know I'm pulling quotes off Wiki but at least it's one of the better-sourced articles.
You are right to note that wiki might not be the best source for anything to do with Reagan. Your earlier remarks are evidence enough of that (especially the strange and grossly erroneous reference to Orwell).
Further, it stands to reason that Reagan adopted the threat against Iran policy in 1985 because it worked before. Right on cue, the Iranians pretty much folded again. At that point, they decided to behave a bit less obsessively when it came to the US.
In addition, Rafsanjani's remarks have only been amplified by the current regime in their posture towards Israel and Holocaust denial. For some reason, that doesn't seem to bother you.
Perhaps you explain why that is. Further, perhaps you might reconsider some of your other erroneous remarks. Know what I mean? Sure you do.
In any event, we can play as long as you like.
| 1018 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:25:34pm |
re: #984 windsagio
to hate of the 'liberal elite in their filthy debauched cities'?
Seriously, I try to be nice, but when I hear stuff like 'liberal agenda', I have to laugh. Its like you're listening to tapes of Rush (the fat guy, not the band) from 1997.
Could be that he doesn't know it's a dogwhistle! That's how think-tanks work, they develop the meme, let it loose in the political wild, and it propagates on its own.
| 1020 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:26:23pm |
re: #472 LotharBot
He ran on lower taxes and lower spending; this is an unmitigated GOOD THING for the country, especially if it convinces the GOP to step away from the ledge and back toward that sort of policy.
He got elected by being reasonable on the exact issues you complain about, and not making a big deal out of them, and yet you still find reason to complain.
Funny how with his bumper sticker slogan of lower spending, he hasn't specified one single item of spending he'd cut. Though he was quite specific about not wanting to cut any entitlements by a even a single dollar.
He wants lower taxes. He wants smaller deficits. But he can't name a single line he'd eliminate from the budget. Clearly, math is not his strong suit.
| 1021 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:27:14pm |
re: #933 iceweasel
Some are so very desperate to find evidence of 'liberal RAGE' and 'liberal butthurt!' that they're now reduced to ganging up on individual liberals.
The points been made by practically all libs here that the emotion we're feeling is faint queasiness, if anything.
Starting to look like some people are actually baiting and/or fishing. It is indeed a victory for many however I don't think the revanchist movement (or mood) here can be sustained at this level. If this means that this place is going to descend into such massive squabbling from now on we've got a problem here.
| 1022 |
Donna Ballard Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:27:14pm |
re: #985 generalsparky
Absolutely!
I love her and I love that my kids have got to spend time with their great-great grandmother. Not many people get that experience. And family is far more important that politics.
I got to grow up with my Grandmother and my great Grandmother, I still have my parents and my siblings as well as my great Aunt but I have lost all but one Uncle and one Aunt to those monstrous things called cigarettes. And my Uncle has emphysema, my last remaining Aunt has lung cancer. That will be 9 members of my family all told. My family gets smaller every year and I feel lonely without them. Thank the good Lord for RWC and my new friends at LGF. I'm yawning faster than I can type so I'm going to say goodnight! I hope everyone out there has sweet dreams and I'll type to you tomorrow. LD :-)
| 1023 |
windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:27:29pm |
re: #1019 TheMatrix31
we told you. It means you were a loyal dittohead throughout the 90s at least, and had the term 'liberal agenda' drilled into your head mercilessly as the great evil of the age.
Or to be less snarky, it means in this case 'the socialist/communist agenda that the left is trying to foist upon our unsuspecting nation'.
| 1024 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:28:12pm |
re: #1012 CapeCoddah
He is simply trying feverishly to stop the bleeding.
He is not feeling quite as secure as he did yesterday... his district went for Brown, also.
Oh my ... so much good news at once. Whew.
| 1025 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:28:21pm |
| 1026 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:28:29pm |
re: #980 Ali Al-Beheshti
although a hospital may not be obligated to treat someone,i find it hard to believe them turning someone away.and yes it would probably be a patch em up and get em out treatment,but at least it is something.
I'm not saying that it is perfect(far from it in fact)
I'm all for a system that would work better than what we currently have,i just don't want the creation of another federal money hole.
| 1027 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:28:35pm |
I just hope Brown is the "moderate" conservative everyone says he is once he gets to DC. Either he gets with the program or he'll be labeled a RINO in no time flat and it will be open season when the seat comes up for election in 20??.
| 1028 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:28:47pm |
re: #1006 markie
The vision of you getting the Ban Stick is much easier on my eyes. Get lost, troll boy!
| 1029 |
researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:28:51pm |
re: #1004 laZardo
Unfortunately I couldn't get any specifics on the CIA after filtering out the conspiracy BS, so I'll retract that particular part. But it looks like it was because ransom was paid, not threats being made.
That is preposterous,
Carter had promised to release the funds long before inauguration day in exchange for the hostages. They refused Carter but for some reason, acceded to Reagan.
Try again.
| 1030 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:28:52pm |
re: #1017 researchok
By the way, I'm still waiting on that 1980 doc. And don't think that Iran's threats don't bother me (really, please point out where I said it doesn't, along with my other "erroneous" remarks) because given the way nukes can cause a snowballing effect into a real clusterfuck we all have a right to be worried. Israelis, Americans, hell, some have even included the Saudis in their comments.
| 1031 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:29:12pm |
re: #1023 windsagio
Okay, if that's what you believe. I'm pretty sure I wasn't listening to political radio back in the 90s. I was too busy doing what kids do---watching sports and cartoons. Fuck off with your presumptions.
| 1032 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:29:49pm |
re: #1007 iceweasel
Wrong on all counts. Again, thank you very much for establishing the word 'butthurt' can now be used. Looking forward to the 'spin' from some (not you) who will whine about its use in the future, but liked it tonight!
And please. Coakley was a crap candidate who deserved to lose. It's been said before. As in, yesterday. The only 'spin' here is yours.
Have an upding anyway for the use of the word 'cupcake', which I have always found oddly charming.
No, I am turning the sophomoric taunts back at the taunters. Obviously it scored a hit on several. If you didn't see the liberal butthurt on display then you must be looking through a filter.
As far as Coakley, your position was what you say, as was a few other posters, I never said you were a moonbat or that all liberals were angry.
And yes, cupcake is a term of endearment, as always... whatever else?
| 1033 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:29:56pm |
re: #978 EastSider
I disagree.
The Dems attempted healthcare reform. They couldn't overcome the opposition, and fumbled public opinion. If you're looking for the killer, its the Republicans.
Now whether or not that's a BAD thing is up for debate. I'm just saying, lets blame (credit?) the 40 senators who've been against this all the way, and not the Dems who were too stupid to figure out how to use a 58-60 seat majority effectively.
The Democrats attempted nothing but a massive giveaway to the insurance companies. I haven't supported the bill for months anymore.
They wouldn't even allow the only rational plan, single payer, to be debated.
Screw 'em until they grow some "liberal" balls.
| 1034 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:30:04pm |
re: #1029 researchok
That is preposterous,
Carter had promised to release the funds long before inauguration day in exchange for the hostages. They refused Carter but for some reason, acceded to Reagan.
Try again.
And that reason was? Maybe the released funds were only part of that deal, and the rest had to be worked out before the whole thing could go through.
| 1035 |
BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:30:06pm |
re: #989 Slumbering Behemoth
Also good for the Dems, as it looks like Coakley(sp?) was a total stinker.
Seriously, in a district that has been steadily voting for Ted Kennedy since before Cthulhu went down for a nap at R'lyeh, I hardly think tonight they all of a sudden decided "OMG! The democrat party sucks!" This is not the recrimination of Obama that some think it is.
Heh :) But it is clear health care was a big voting issue--as polled by Rasmussen on day of the vote. It is also clear that Mass. didn't much care for the process used to get to where we are--that's not a partisan issue, but an execution issue. The Dems are losing the ethics/competency question very fast.
| 1036 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:30:35pm |
re: #994 WindUpBird
for your information i ain't a republican.
| 1037 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:30:40pm |
re: #1021 Gus 802
Starting to look like some people are actually baiting and/or fishing. It is indeed a victory for many however I don't think the revanchist movement (or mood) here can be sustained at this level. If this means that this place is going to descend into such massive squabbling from now on we've got a problem here.
First sentence: yep, some have been. If there are no Angry Liberals, they feel the need to create them.
I wouldn't consider this thread to have massive squabbling on it, compared to the past. I think things are looking pretty good, by and large. Maybe that's just silly hippie hope on my part.
| 1038 |
EastSider Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:31:03pm |
re: #1009 BryanS
The problem with the US health care system -- form the point of this conservative-- is that markets are not involved ENOUGH. Third party payer systems run by insurance companies cause consumers of insurance to not shop around. Obviously emergency care cannot easily be shopped for, and that is where insurance is needed. Comprehensive health care insurance is a recent invention--people used to pay for routine health care out of pocket and used insurance to pay for what they could not afford. Just look at corrective laser eye surgery costs (since they are not covered by insurance companies). They have come way down in cost, almost to the point of being less expensive than buying eye glasses over a few years.
The mandate to buy a product form insurance companies was a sop to them to buy their silence. Notice how whiny insurance companies got when the idea of dropping the mandate was brought up, and how they were appeased by not going forward with that. This despite the very real doubt that the federal government can force its citizens to buy a product .
The Dems have no problem getting their message out, because it is carried by most national media outlets. It just seems like a poor excuse to blame ones political losses always on marketing. By that logic, Bush's "mission accomplished" would have succeeded as a political message if only he did a better job marketing it.
I'll give you competition. But can't you view a public option as a form of competition to drive costs down?
right now I can choose the insurance plan my company is on, or go out on my own (prospects: bleak). If there were a public option with competitive costs, I could switch. If there were a private option with competitive costs, I could switch. Right now I'm stuck. And its also keeping me from starting up my own business. I could forego salary, but can't take the risk of no health insurance.
re: messaging. "Mission accomplished" was a stupid/incorrect message. That's why it failed. "healthcare reform" was a stupid message, and that's [part of] why it failed. I'm not talking marketing like putting the message on a bus instead of a tv, I'm talking about picking a message that will resonate with targeted stakeholders.
Also, was wondering your opinion on where the burden should lie. Your "free market" opinion and other comments lead me to think you support a system where each individual is on his/her own to acquire insurance. Is that ture?
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:31:04pm |
re: #1023 windsagio
Besides, tell me what I should call it if I shouldn't call it a "liberal agenda". Reid, Pelosi, and Obama are in charge. They are all liberals. Surely the policies being proposed and pushed for aren't conservative ones, are they? Please give me the acceptable term, so that I can use it and please you so. I don't want to use "dogwhistles".
| 1040 |
drpangloss Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:31:14pm |
barney frank - you're next to go.
god bless america
god bless massachusetts patriots!!
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:31:39pm |
re: #1008 Slumbering Behemoth
Poor form.
Kind of mean-spirited I thought, yet some leeway must be allowed since the funeral is over and life goes on. Still, I can't see Kennedy frothing at his own grave like a Dickens character. Since I believe in an afterlife, I'm sure he's found better things to do since his departure. Lots of family to catch up with for starters.
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korla pundit Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:32:18pm |
The Dems attempted healthcare reform. They couldn't overcome the opposition, and fumbled public opinion. If you're looking for the killer, its the Republicans.
I don't think a supermajority can use that excuse.
Worse than fumbling, hamfisted, bullying attempts at pushing through the most significant piece of legislation since the New Deal, loading it up with pork for friends and lobbyists, and excluding any opposition, all behind locked conference room doors, and dooming their own attempt at taking control of a large chunk of the economy (and extending the government's finger further into every citizen's most private areas), the Dems have made it very unlikely that ANY party will ever take up the mantle of health care reform for another 50 years.
There were some real improvements that could have been made. None of them were ever considered by the majority. Tort reform should have been at the top of the list.
Now, we will be stuck with the status quo, but I think even that is preferable to the utter disaster the Dems would have forced through. The stock market is going to start rallying now. Businesses will start hiring soon. As soon as they know with more certainty that this bill is no longer hanging over their heads.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:32:30pm |
re: #1013 cliffster
You are certainly relishing this. Let me know when you get your Brown-Victory-Check in the mail. I'll be waiting for mine ;)
The police have already been by twice to caution off doing the Snoopy Happy Dance anymore, something about the downstairs neighbors... must be angry liberals or sumpin.
| 1045 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:33:38pm |
re: #966 Boondock St. Bender
I'll have to defer to your knowledge on that(i have no idea what that kind of stuff costs...except that yes it is normally expensive.
I also wonder what effect our general litigious nature has on the overall costs.
The simple answer is that our hospitals are getting robbed blind because there's nobody to stop it. If not direct cost controls, something like the ability for multiple hospitals to join together and negotiate prices for equipment as a group is needed, much like what insurance companies do with phama companies.
| 1046 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:33:58pm |
re: #1032 Bagua
No, I am turning the sophomoric taunts back at the taunters. Obviously it scored a hit on several. If you didn't see the liberal butthurt on display then you must be looking through a filter.
As far as Coakley, your position was what you say, as was a few other posters, I never said you were a moonbat or that all liberals were angry.
And yes, cupcake is a term of endearment, as always... whatever else?
Yeah, still not seeing the butthurt. I do see a whole lotta baiting (not putting you in that category. You're just having fun)
Right back at ya, ... cupcake? Need a more masculine sounding treat to call you. How about Bagel? I love em.
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:34:05pm |
re: #1039 TheMatrix31
Besides, tell me what I should call it if I shouldn't call it a "liberal agenda". Reid, Pelosi, and Obama are in charge. They are all liberals. Surely the policies being proposed and pushed for aren't conservative ones, are they? Please give me the acceptable term, so that I can use it and please you so. I don't want to use "dogwhistles".
Dogwhistle. Un-fucking-believable.
| 1048 |
Ali Al-Beheshti Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:34:09pm |
re: #994 WindUpBird
Erm, are you referring to my post, or the quote from Boondock?
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windsagio Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:34:21pm |
re: #1031 TheMatrix31
There ya go!
and here I go. Working double tomorrow, hopefully the crazies will have vanished back into the woodwork by the time I get back >>
re: #1039 TheMatrix31
Oops was about to head out, but saw this. You can't or won't get what I'm saying. Like you said above when you were trying worm your way out, everyone has an agenda. You could say its a victory against health care reform, or a number of specific policies of the current administration. Health care would actually be a perfect example. Instead you went to the monolithic liberal boogyman.
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researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:34:51pm |
re: #1030 laZardo
By the way, I'm still waiting on that 1980 doc. And don't think that Iran's threats don't bother me (really, please point out where I said it doesn't, along with my other "erroneous" remarks) because given the way nukes can cause a snowballing effect into a real clusterfuck we all have a right to be worried. Israelis, Americans, hell, some have even included the Saudis in their comments.
Please- you don't want to keep score in the who is right and wrong department. Your factual errors are many (albeit humorous at times). Really, you don't want to go there.
As for the source you request, I should have that up by tomorrow sometime.
As for your initial remarks re nukes, they were in err. Period. You weren't 'playing in the snow' when you first posted them
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:35:13pm |
re: #1044 Bagua
The police have already been by twice to caution off doing the Snoopy Happy Dance anymore, something about the downstairs neighbors... must be angry liberals or sumpin.
Vince Guaraldi is playing on loudspeakers nationwide.
| 1052 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:35:43pm |
re: #1049 windsagio
Worm my way out of what? If I'm not understanding something, then tell me. I'm not in the mood to play your fucking puzzle game.
| 1053 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:36:29pm |
re: #997 Bagua
Ha, ha, ha! Spin away cupcake, but the Liberal Butthurt™ has been clearly apparent tonight.
And yes, this win was a protest vote against Obama and Obamacare, make no mistake about that.
For some reason, it is ruining your buzz to know (because I think you do know) that while some of us may be disappointed with the result tonight, we are not butthurt. No one has responded to the result with gnashing and wailing, screams of "dirty wingnut bastards STOLE it!", promises of "we'll take this country back - you'll see" and posting the internationale in anger. Face facts Bagua, it ain't happening.
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researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:36:30pm |
re: #1034 laZardo
And that reason was? Maybe the released funds were only part of that deal, and the rest had to be worked out before the whole thing could go through.
The reason was the threat to bomb the shit out of Tehran.
And it was a miracle that the deal came together on Inauguration Day of a man they hated and feared more than Carter.
Brilliant.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:36:50pm |
re: #1052 TheMatrix31
Worm my way out of what? If I'm not understanding something, then tell me. I'm not in the mood to play your fucking puzzle game.
Trying to list the things you're constantly not understanding would break the site code.
| 1057 |
BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:36:55pm |
re: #1027 webevintage
I just hope Brown is the "moderate" conservative everyone says he is once he gets to DC. Either he gets with the program or he'll be labeled a RINO in no time flat and it will be open season when the seat comes up for election in 20??.
I think he will be moderate if he wants to last more than a half term. The national Republicans would benefit by more moderate members in their ranks. It would help with some internal criticism to kill the more odious social con instincts of the caucus.
| 1058 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:37:18pm |
re: #1053 Jimmah
For some reason, it is ruining your buzz to know (because I think you do know) that while some of us may be disappointed with the result tonight, we are not butthurt. No one has responded to the result with gnashing and wailing, screams of "dirty wingnut bastards STOLE it!", promises of "we'll take this country back - you'll see" and posting the internationale in anger. Face facts Bagua, it ain't happening.
[Video]
Haha-- I knew we had the "safe" level for a reason!
| 1059 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:37:29pm |
re: #1033 Cato the Elder
The Democrats attempted nothing but a massive giveaway to the insurance companies. I haven't supported the bill for months anymore.
They wouldn't even allow the only rational plan, single payer, to be debated.
Screw 'em until they grow some "liberal" balls.
You tell them Cato!
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:37:57pm |
re: #1056 Cato the Elder
Then stop fucking mentioning them.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:38:00pm |
re: #970 WindUpBird
So you say "nobody called him an anti-semite" and then you basically call hum an anti-semite. Hah. You're a real gem, dude. A real work of art.
And I trust that iran will not use nukes against Israel, because if they did, their component atoms would be blown into the next dimension. I know you believe that IRAN IS KAAARAAAZEEE but they aren't. You're doing the same thing Lincoln warned about: not respecting the enemy. They're not like us, therefore, they're nuke-crazed maniacs who will ensure their own oblivion at the slightest provocation!
I give a shit about Israel, but I will not accept your silly and simple position that only paranoid ultra-hardline positions make sense.
Wrong. Someone who doesn't give a shit about Israel is not necessarily an anti-Semite. Their indifference might stem from the fact that they are not Jewish and do not identify with Israel. Or it could be due to ignorance. I don't call people anti-Semites just because they don't have Israel's interests at heart.
As for you, you too seem to be willing to believe that Ahmadinejad was just kidding about wiping Israel off the map. What basis is there for your optimistic view? Most people refused to believe that Hitler actually meant what he said, until it was too late.
BTW, the Israeli Prime Minister and President Obama pretty much agree with my position that Iran must not be allowed to acquire nukes.
| 1062 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:38:01pm |
re: #1037 iceweasel
First sentence: yep, some have been. If there are no Angry Liberals, they feel the need to create them.
I wouldn't consider this thread to have massive squabbling on it, compared to the past. I think things are looking pretty good, by and large. Maybe that's just silly hippie hope on my part.[Video]
Seems like a bit of revenge? One is alluding to getting back at the taunting by repeatedly using the phrase "liberal butthurt." I don't recall you ever saying "conservative butthurt." I also don't recall seeing you or any other alleged liberal being "in your face" when Doug Hoffman lost to Bill Owens. The criticisms were focused on Hoffman and not individuals here.
| 1064 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:38:50pm |
re: #1057 BryanS
I think the worst thing would be if this encouraged more tea party non-sense.
| 1065 |
Ali Al-Beheshti Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:39:10pm |
re: #848 BryanS
Hmm, that is one Dickens of a post!
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:39:47pm |
re: #1056 Cato the Elder
Trying to list the things you're constantly not understanding would break the site code.
Updinged for being the prick I'm accustomed to.
| 1067 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:39:55pm |
re: #1063 idioma
Oh good, you're back. Done insulting my family, asshole?
| 1068 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:40:20pm |
sigh.
I just want people to be able to not worry about how they are going to pay the bill if they get sick.
I want Americans to be able to see a Doctor when they get a pain that won't go away instead of waiting until it is heart attack without worrying about how much it is going to cost for that office visit (no problem with co-pays).
I want families to not have to choose between their house payment and paying for cancer treatment.
I would like small businesses and the self-employed to be able to afford insurance. What does it cost us as a society that there are people out there who would be the small business owners we are told makes our economy work but they can't because they can't afford to lose their health insurance.
| 1069 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:40:33pm |
re: #1054 researchok
re: #1050 researchok
Well then, I certainly hope that source can convince me that I was definitely wrong, and that it was Reagan's threat to bomb the shit out of them that single-handedly proved more effective than months of negotiation.
Until then, when you post that source, playtime's over.
| 1070 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:40:44pm |
re: #1005 Conservative Moonbat
Teabaggers and Club for Growth won't let them run any. Moderates are going to be hugely outspent in the primaries.
Shit, look at what's happening to Charlie Crist.
It took them a long time to slink into the GOP, it's gonna take a long time to make them slink out.
| 1071 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:41:12pm |
re: #1065 Ali Al-Beheshti
no,no,no,no,...no puns...please for the love of god no puns!!!
(and here they come...grumble...)
| 1072 |
LotharBot Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:41:37pm |
OT on my way to bed:
It's really icy outside. Slipped going to get the mail. Now I'm all butthurt.
*groan*
| 1073 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:41:41pm |
re: #1021 Gus 802
Starting to look like some people are actually baiting and/or fishing. It is indeed a victory for many however I don't think the revanchist movement (or mood) here can be sustained at this level. If this means that this place is going to descend into such massive squabbling from now on we've got a problem here.
Easy, don't participate, just because someone calls "tit" doesn't mean that you are forced to respond with "tat". When someone tries to get personally insulting your only feeding them by responding to it, and also lowering yourself to their level of discourse.
/Internet rule #4: Do not feed the trolls.
| 1074 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:41:49pm |
re: #977 Bob Levin
Here's how the system works, to my understanding. The House passed its version of the health care bill. The Senate passed their version. These are two different bills. Both bills then go to conference committee, where representatives of the Senate and the House identify the differences, work out compromises, delete, rewrite, take a final vote on this third version, and then send the bill to the President to sign. Now, there may be some in the committee who may not want to vote for the bill. If this happens, if they can't reach a compromise, then everything begins again.
Or, the Democrats can begin to explain to the public just what they've written, to try to convince us that this is a good bill.
Essentially, this throws quite a bit of chaos into the process.
I'm probably missing some specifics, but generally, this is how it works.
The Democrats have too options:
1) work out something in conference before Brown is seated and vote on it in both houses. By law they have to require something like 10 days for all absentee ballots to come in before he's seated and I'm sure they can find a way to delay things for another week or so.
2. Ping-Pong the Senate bill unchanged to the house, bypassing the conference process and sending the Senate bill to Obama's desk as soon as it's passed by the house. This could happen tomorrow morning. This way the Senate doesn't have to vote on the bill again.
I'm hoping they go for a ping-pong because it's more of a sure thing and IMHO the Senate bill isn't really that bad. I'd prefer a national exchange to the state exchanges but I'll take what I can get. Bells and whistles can be added via budget reconciliation later in the year.
| 1075 |
TampaKnight Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:42:16pm |
Thank GOD! The abortion of the health care bill that is in conference is hopefully dead.
And in case ANYONE was still wondering, AMERICA DOESN'T WANT IT.
| 1076 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:42:31pm |
re: #697 Dark_Falcon
At which point Tehran would have glowed in the dark for several lifetimes. Thankfully, the ayatollahs knew Reagan wasn't bluffing and backed off.
Either that, or "arms for hostages" started a lot earlier than we thought.
| 1077 |
zelnaga Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:43:01pm |
re: #359 Dark_Falcon
Do you want to hand Iraq and Afghanistan over to the Islamists?
Do you want us to suffer more terror attacks because defending ourselves was deemed politically incorrect?
Though the far left may advocate policies that would lead to those kinds of things, neither BHO or the democrats in Congress are far left.
Last I checked, BHO increased troop presence in Afghanistan by 30,000. He's reducing troop levels in Iraq, but then again, why keep them the same, given that the surge worked? Keeping troop levels constant in Iraq was never the plan, not even from the inception. To quote from this article (emphasis mine):
Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, said on a visit to Baghdad during the past week that U.S. military commanders were discussing the possibility of adding as many as 10 more combat brigades — a maximum of about 35,000 troops — to establish some semblance of control while Iraq's divided political leaders seek solutions to the mounting violence.
Given that the surge worked and the violence has declined considerably, I suspect even McCain would have lowered troop levels. And yet when BHO does it, he's "handing Iraq to the Islamists?" And when BHO increases the number of troops in Afghanistan, he's "handing Afghanistan to the Islamists"? What do you suppose he ought to be doing to keep Afghanistan out of the hands of the Taliban? Nuke them?
I'll criticize the democrats when they deserve it and on their proposed health care "reforms" they certainly do deserve it. But on their handling of Iraq and Afghanistan? If their handling has been insufficient then I would be interested in hearing what such critics actually would consider to be sufficient. At least so long as such proposals don't include nuking every country in the middle east or marching all muslims into gas chambers or whatever.
| 1078 |
idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:43:03pm |
re: #1067 TheMatrix31
wipe your tears little guy, I was just saying that your dad shouldn't blame the sitting president for... what was it again? Moving to LA?
Sounds horrible!
| 1079 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:43:17pm |
re: #1053 Jimmah
For some reason, it is ruining your buzz to know (because I think you do know) that while some of us may be disappointed with the result tonight, we are not butthurt. No one has responded to the result with gnashing and wailing, screams of "dirty wingnut bastards STOLE it!", promises of "we'll take this country back - you'll see" and posting the internationale in anger. Face facts Bagua, it ain't happening.
[Video]
It's a good vid Jimmah, and its accurate in a number of ways. Most notably the fact that the Congress will taking a "lurch towards [the] right" come November.
| 1080 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:43:34pm |
re: #978 EastSider
I disagree.
The Dems attempted healthcare reform. They couldn't overcome the opposition, and fumbled public opinion. If you're looking for the killer, its the Republicans.
Now whether or not that's a BAD thing is up for debate. I'm just saying, lets blame (credit?) the 40 senators who've been against this all the way, and not the Dems who were too stupid to figure out how to use a 58-60 seat majority effectively.
It's still very much alive. I'm betting it's at least 2 weeks until Brown is seated and the bill can be ping-ponged to the house without requiring another senate vote. The House just has to approve the Senate bill as-is.
| 1081 |
cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:43:47pm |
re: #1074 Conservative Moonbat
Nothing like pulling for conniving weaselness.
| 1082 |
Girth Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:45:00pm |
re: #1074 Conservative Moonbat
The Democrats have too options:
1) work out something in conference before Brown is seated and vote on it in both houses. By law they have to require something like 10 days for all absentee ballots to come in before he's seated and I'm sure they can find a way to delay things for another week or so.
2. Ping-Pong the Senate bill unchanged to the house, bypassing the conference process and sending the Senate bill to Obama's desk as soon as it's passed by the house. This could happen tomorrow morning. This way the Senate doesn't have to vote on the bill again.
I'm hoping they go for a ping-pong because it's more of a sure thing and IMHO the Senate bill isn't really that bad. I'd prefer a national exchange to the state exchanges but I'll take what I can get. Bells and whistles can be added via budget reconciliation later in the year.
Both of those are horrible political moves that I would bet big money on giving at least one if not both houses of Congress to the Republicans in November.
| 1083 |
CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:45:17pm |
re: #903 Conservative Moonbat
You can get emergency care. You can't get much less expensive medical procedures that prevent a condition from becoming chronic though. You just have to wait until it's about to kill you and then go to the ER and they will do just enough to where you're not about to die and dump you back out on the streets.
One of the best things being offered in both the House and Senate HCR bills is free annual checkups. There's no reason for people let people get so sick when it's cheaper and less painful to get them treated earlier.
There is no such thing as Free.
| 1084 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:45:45pm |
re: #1078 idioma
Actually it was. Our business was absolutely destroyed, and we've lost all the money we made over the years trying to survive SINCE. Its been an absolute horrendous, miserable time from 1999-2002 and since 2007. Destroying everything my father came to America for and built from the ground up, I hope the Democrats are "happy" about that.
| 1085 |
EastSider Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:45:56pm |
re: #1033 Cato the Elder
The Democrats attempted nothing but a massive giveaway to the insurance companies. I haven't supported the bill for months anymore.
They wouldn't even allow the only rational plan, single payer, to be debated.
Screw 'em until they grow some "liberal" balls.
Preach it.
Reminds me of a parable Obama should learn.
'A King was trying to decide how to defend his city from an invading horde.
"Build a 10 foot high wall! That will save us all!" said his older son.
"Dig a 10 foot deep moat! That will save our goat!" said his younger son.
The King had a dilemma, he only had enough $ to do one project.
"I have come to a decision!" Said the great king, "I will build a 5 foot deep moat, and a 5 foot tall wall! We're saved!"
He was still trying to figure out what happened as the horde ran through his city'
| 1086 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:46:13pm |
re: #1053 Jimmah
Give it time Jimmah, see how things develop. The moonbats are in shock at the moment and the full horror of their losing their rule by suppository hasn't fully sunk in yet, though we certainly saw some early anger tonight.
| 1087 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:46:22pm |
re: #1062 Gus 802
Seems like a bit of revenge? One is alluding to getting back at the taunting by repeatedly using the phrase "liberal butthurt." I don't recall you ever saying "conservative butthurt." I also don't recall seeing you or any other alleged liberal being "in your face" when Doug Hoffman lost to Bill Owens. The criticisms were focused on Hoffman and not individuals here.
Yeah, when some people whined about the use of the word butthurt, I did post them the definition of Butthurt Conservative:
A conservative that feels victimized when something doesn't go their way. Often comes with the feeling that anything that doesn't reflect their world view has some unfair bias against them.
But it was targetted at individual conservatives who were, well, experiencing butthurt. Not conservatives in general.
And the Hoffman-Owens thread was, as I recall, a really good one where people talked about actual issues. Here, there were people immediately jumping on Jimmah and gleefully accusing him of 'butthurt' for making the entirely sensible remark that it was a disappointing but deserved loss and it could be a wakeup call to the Dems to get their shit together.
There's no reason for that kind of baiting except either an entirely personal animus, or a deep need to see the liberals here as unhappy-- as unhappy as they presumably were un Nov 2008.
What's up with that? There's been very little discussion in the thread until now about what this actually means for HCR and so on. But lots and lots of personal attacks and pileons.
It's like some can't be happy if they think Brown was the better candidate unless they also believe 'liberals' everywhere are in shock, despair, and butthurt.
Divisive. Not cool.
| 1088 |
researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:46:25pm |
re: #1069 laZardo
re: #1050 researchok
Well then, I certainly hope that source can convince me that I was definitely wrong, and that it was Reagan's threat to bomb the shit out of them that single-handedly proved more effective than months of negotiation.
Until then, when you post that source, playtime's over.
OK by me. Perhaps you might consider acknowledging all your previous factual errors (wiki is not always your friend here). You seem to believe that 'pivot and attack' (and that is so yesterday!) makes up for faulty and incorrect arguments. Why not man up and admit those 'errors?
As I noted, you really ought not be keeping score.
Really.
| 1089 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:46:38pm |
re: #1073 ausador
Easy, don't participate, just because someone calls "tit" doesn't mean that you are forced to respond with "tat". When someone tries to get personally insulting your only feeding them by responding to it, and also lowering yourself to their level of discourse.
/Internet rule #4: Do not feed the trolls.
Before I was thinking that I was in "personal gaze mode." That's when I just sit here watching the snipping go back and forth and say nothing.
| 1090 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:46:48pm |
re: #997 Bagua
Ha, ha, ha! Spin away cupcake, but the Liberal Butthurt™ has been clearly apparent tonight.
And yes, this win was a protest vote against Obama and Obamacare, make no mistake about that.
Not really. I'll freely admit that the better candidate won the race. It's not like it was stolen by dirty tricks or anything. It sucks and it's an indicator we're going to have to work our asses off in 2010 but I hardly consider myself "butthurt."
Then again, I don't consider forcing the Democrats to compromise with the Maine twins the end of the world either.
| 1092 |
BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:48:04pm |
re: #1038 EastSider
I'll give you competition. But can't you view a public option as a form of competition to drive costs down?
right now I can choose the insurance plan my company is on, or go out on my own (prospects: bleak). If there were a public option with competitive costs, I could switch. If there were a private option with competitive costs, I could switch. Right now I'm stuck. And its also keeping me from starting up my own business. I could forego salary, but can't take the risk of no health insurance.
re: messaging. "Mission accomplished" was a stupid/incorrect message. That's why it failed. "healthcare reform" was a stupid message, and that's [part of] why it failed. I'm not talking marketing like putting the message on a bus instead of a tv, I'm talking about picking a message that will resonate with targeted stakeholders.
Also, was wondering your opinion on where the burden should lie. Your "free market" opinion and other comments lead me to think you support a system where each individual is on his/her own to acquire insurance. Is that ture?
On the public option--if the government is the only entity allowed to be in every state, naturally they could out compete every small insurance company limited to the state they can sell in. Also, a government that can dictate the price they sell their services at is not really competition. The government can only dictate prices, but not costs. So they end up driving insurance companies out of business if they can set a price lower than its cost to make it "affordable" . The cost just gets absorbed by taxes.
Your choices right now are limited to a small handful (in some states only a couple) of private insurance companies exempt from anti-trust law due to the limited market they are allowed to operate in.
Where should the burden lie? It should be with the individual to the greatest extent possible. There is room for subsidy and public assistance to the extent the public coffers can afford it. But as the experiment in Mass. has shown, when you tax the heck out of insurance and use it to add uncovered people to the rolls, guess what, insurance costs skyrocket even faster. Walmart has interestingly--much to the displeasure of liberals for some reason--done a lot to address costs with their prescription drug pricing and even more creatively with their low cost in store clinics.
| 1093 |
laZardo Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:49:40pm |
re: #1088 researchok
Now you're just confusing me with methodologies. But sure, I'll let the audience keep score.
| 1094 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:50:01pm |
re: #1067 TheMatrix31
Oh good, you're back. Done insulting my family, asshole?
I would never insult your family. What's the need for that when we have you right here?
| 1095 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:50:12pm |
re: #1077 zelnaga
Given that the surge worked and the violence has declined considerably, I suspect even McCain would have lowered troop levels. And yet when BHO does it, he's "handing Iraq to the Islamists?" And when BHO increases the number of troops in Afghanistan, he's "handing Afghanistan to the Islamists"? What do you suppose he ought to be doing to keep Afghanistan out of the hands of the Taliban? Nuke them?
I'll criticize the democrats when they deserve it and on their proposed health care "reforms" they certainly do deserve it. But on their handling of Iraq and Afghanistan? If their handling has been insufficient then I would be interested in hearing what such critics actually would consider to be sufficient. At least so long as such proposals don't include nuking every country in the middle east or marching all muslims into gas chambers or whatever.
My statement was intended to criticize the Dems for their anti-surge positions, which are still held by the far left. Its true that Obama has stood up on Afghanistan, and I've given him credit for that. However, that has mostly been him adopting George W's and General Petraus's policies with some additions while jettisoning his prior positions. He also mounted a farcical response to the Underwear bomber, so point two stands without qualification.
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webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:50:21pm |
re: #1090 Conservative Moonbat
Then again, I don't consider forcing the Democrats to compromise with the Maine twins the end of the world either.
Except there is no compromise.
With each Democratic compromise there is another thing they don't like or you get another Blue Dog trying to make a name for themselves.
It seems to me that it is a never ending game of moving the compromise line until the only thing we have is tort reform.
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:50:56pm |
Interesting how, only 3 years out of Republican majority in House, Senate, and White House, GOP'ers are calling Democrats "The Establishment". heh
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BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:50:56pm |
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:51:16pm |
re: #1058 iceweasel
Haha-- I knew we had the "safe" level for a reason!
It is amazing how you guys prepare for everything, you'd make good conservatives.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:51:31pm |
re: #1086 Bagua
Give it time Jimmah, see how things develop. The moonbats are in shock at the moment and the full horror of their losing their rule by suppository hasn't fully sunk in yet, though we certainly saw some early anger tonight.
It's pretty clear the real anger and unpleasantness tonight here has come from the wingnut fraternity. What's that all about? Unhappy winners?
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BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:52:35pm |
re: #1064 Boondock St. Bender
I think the worst thing would be if this encouraged more tea party non-sense.
As much as some want to slap the teabag label on Scott Brown, he really isn't of their mold. Someone who voted for Romneycare could never be a member of that party. I think he'll end up more like a Collins or Snowe politically.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:52:49pm |
The NYT has a decent story on tonight's results.
Brown was classy about Kennedy.
“I’m hoping that it gives a message to the country,” said Marlene Connolly, 73, of North Andover, a lifelong Democrat who said she cast her first vote for a Republican on Tuesday. “I think if Massachusetts puts Brown in, it’s a message of ‘that’s enough.’ Let’s stop the giveaways and let’s get jobs going.”
Mr. Brown ran strongest in the suburbs of Boston, where the independent voters who make up a majority in Massachusetts turned out in large numbers. Ms. Coakley did best in urban areas, winning overwhelmingly in Boston and running ahead in Springfield, Worcester, Fall River and New Bedford, but her margins were not large enough to carry her to victory.
In a concession speech before cheering supporters, Ms. Coakley acknowledged that voters were angry and said she had hoped to deal with the concerns.
“Our mission continues, and our work goes on,” she said, echoing well-known remarks by Mr. Kennedy. “I am heartbroken at the result, as I know you are, and I know we will get up together tomorrow and continue this fight, even with this result tonight.”
The crowd at Mr. Brown’s victory rally, upset by reports that Democrats might try to vote on the health care bill before he takes office, chanted, “Seat him now!” Mr. Brown, for his part, noted that the interim senator holding the seat had finished his work, and that he was ready to go to Washington “without delay.” And he effusively praised Mr. Kennedy as a big-hearted, tireless worker, and said that he hoped to prove a worthy successor to him.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:53:24pm |
re: #1086 Bagua
Give it time Jimmah, see how things develop. The moonbats are in shock at the moment and the full horror of their losing their rule by suppository hasn't fully sunk in yet, though we certainly saw some early anger tonight.
No, they really aren't, Bagua.
And the genuine moonbats have been working against the HCR bill(s), and unseating Dems who support it-- because it doesn't go far enough for them. They don't mind if that goal means seating Brown.
[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]
The question, raised by Nate Silver and others: Is Firedoglake trying to scare vulnerable Democrats into retirement in order to kill health care reform? All indications point to “yes.”
I realise this doesn't fit the simplistic model of "My team good, other team bad!" but astute observers of politics know that while that thinking arouses the rabble, and they love it, reality is much more complicated than that.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:53:35pm |
re: #1074 Conservative Moonbat
Absentee ballots are moot, he won by a landslide. If ALL absentee ballots were for Coakley, she still loses.
Your proposals are hideous and should be extremely offensive to every American.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:53:51pm |
re: #1087 iceweasel
It's not unlike using the word moonbat which I did the other day after reading some moonbat blogging about how the USA is occupying Haiti. Not someone here but a blog.
My last serious comment was referring to the last Republican senator in Mass. It would have been good to move onto political strategies for either side; strengths and weaknesses now presented to either party; etc. Instead it turned into a soccer match in the UK.
Anyway, I'm protesting too much. It's all good.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:54:24pm |
re: #1090 Conservative Moonbat
Not really. I'll freely admit that the better candidate won the race. It's not like it was stolen by dirty tricks or anything. It sucks and it's an indicator we're going to have to work our asses off in 2010 but I hardly consider myself "butthurt."
Then again, I don't consider forcing the Democrats to compromise with the Maine twins the end of the world either.
Moonbatularity and Liberal Butthurt™ are not monolithic. Some get the feeling, some keep their cool. Your results may vary.
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BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:55:01pm |
re: #1074 Conservative Moonbat
The Democrats have too options:
1) work out something in conference before Brown is seated and vote on it in both houses. By law they have to require something like 10 days for all absentee ballots to come in before he's seated and I'm sure they can find a way to delay things for another week or so.
2. Ping-Pong the Senate bill unchanged to the house, bypassing the conference process and sending the Senate bill to Obama's desk as soon as it's passed by the house. This could happen tomorrow morning. This way the Senate doesn't have to vote on the bill again.
I'm hoping they go for a ping-pong because it's more of a sure thing and IMHO the Senate bill isn't really that bad. I'd prefer a national exchange to the state exchanges but I'll take what I can get. Bells and whistles can be added via budget reconciliation later in the year.
Or the option they should have done from day one--peel off a couple lib Repubs. Would have been more legitimate than the cloister pluck they passed to date.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:55:42pm |
re: #1102 BryanS
I wasn't pointing to brown specifically, just that seeing a republican win will make some of the loonies feel that they had an effect.
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cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:55:52pm |
Scott Brown will have had more time in the Senate in '12 than Obama had had in '08. Just sayin'
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EastSider Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:56:06pm |
re: #1092 BryanS
On the public option--if the government is the only entity allowed to be in every state, naturally they could out compete every small insurance company limited to the state they can sell in. Also, a government that can dictate the price they sell their services at is not really competition. The government can only dictate prices, but not costs. So they end up driving insurance companies out of business if they can set a price lower than its cost to make it "affordable" . The cost just gets absorbed by taxes.
Your choices right now are limited to a small handful (in some states only a couple) of private insurance companies exempt from anti-trust law due to the limited market they are allowed to operate in.
.
I'm not sure the government would be able to out compete private options. And the "small insurance companies" are typically huge organizations which are highly bureaucratic. Alas, we're in the meat of the debate now: the role of government.
Public/Private competition can work:
1) Have public subways and buses put taxis and limos out of business?
2) Has social security done away with private 401(k)s?
3) Have public schools put private schools and Universities out of business?
And, in some cases, it IS better for the government to just administer an object of large social good where competition may not work:
-highways/road construction
-Police
-Fire protection
-Army
I'm not saying healthcare definitely goes on the list...But there IS a list, and a list of public/private competitive industries. Just saying "government run = bad" doesn't win the argument.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:56:15pm |
re: #1101 Jimmah
It's pretty clear the real anger and unpleasantness tonight here has come from the wingnut fraternity. What's that all about? Unhappy winners?
Assuming you mean the flouncers who logged on to drop insults, yes, they are a class of their own. Not happy campers. Sad.
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webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:56:18pm |
re: #1105 CapeCoddah
Absentee ballots are moot, he won by a landslide. If ALL absentee ballots were for Coakley, she still loses.
That maybe true, but according to MA law the election results cannot be certified for 10 (or 15) days so he cannot be seated until after that time period.
And what, the Senate is supposed to put everything on hold for the next 2 weeks?
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:56:19pm |
re: #1016 BryanS
Public, in my mind. It's still government spending.
If so, you must be in strong opposition to the current military industrial complex if you object to such spending? How is Halliburton any different than private insurers providing government regulated health care plans?
FWIW, the model for the plan on the table is the German one which also relies on private insurance companies providing regulated health insurance products. They are much more tightly regulated than anything that's been proposed here though.
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researchok Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:56:20pm |
re: #1093 laZardo
Now you're just confusing me with methodologies. But sure, I'll let the audience keep score.
Audience? You think you are onstage?
As for 'methodologies' are you sure that's where you want to go?
Anyway, we'll play some more tomorrow.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:57:04pm |
re: #1074 Conservative Moonbat
Both options are dead letters. Senator Webb announced that he will not vote for anything related to the health care bill until Brown is seated, and Braney Frank said that he will vote against any quick attempt to pass the the bill in the House. The Dems will have to find another solution and its will not be a quick one.
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Girth Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:57:16pm |
re: #1113 webevintage
That maybe true, but according to MA law the election results cannot be certified for 10 (or 15) days so he cannot be seated until after that time period.
And what, the Senate is supposed to put everything on hold for the next 2 weeks?
Yes, they should. Sen. Webb is absolutely right.
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:58:03pm |
re: #1084 TheMatrix31
How is that anyone's fault? Businesses fail. Unless your dad exclusively sold Ross Perot merchandise, it's a strong leap to blame the elected party.
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:58:07pm |
re: #1102 BryanS
As much as some want to slap the teabag label on Scott Brown, he really isn't of their mold. Someone who voted for Romneycare could never be a member of that party. I think he'll end up more like a Collins or Snowe politically.
Hmm. I don't know if this would come out of the mouths of either of them:
“And let me say this, with respect to those who wish to harm us: I believe that our Constitution and laws exist to protect this nation. They do not grant rights and privileges to enemies in wartime. In dealing with terrorists, our tax dollars should pay for weapons to stop them, not lawyers to defend them.”
--Scott Brown
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Unakite Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:58:14pm |
"When it comes to terrorists, our tax dollars should go to weapons to defeat them, and not lawyers to defend them."
Damn, I like this guy!!
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KingKenrod Tue, Jan 19, 2010 9:58:33pm |
re: #1116 Dark_Falcon
Both options are dead letters. Senator Webb announced that he will not vote for anything related to the health care bill until Brown is seated, and Braney Frank said that he will vote against any quick attempt to pass the the bill in the House. The Dems will have to find another solution and its will not be a quick one.
Democrats will be singing "jobs jobs jobs" for the next 10 months.
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:00:21pm |
re: #1021 Gus 802
Starting to look like some people are actually baiting and/or fishing. It is indeed a victory for many however I don't think the revanchist movement (or mood) here can be sustained at this level. If this means that this place is going to descend into such massive squabbling from now on we've got a problem here.
Considering that most of the leftists who have settled in over here are fairly moderate, conservatives trolling us for a reaction aren't going to have much luck. I'm a flaming liberal by Tennessee standards but compared to the national party I'm more in line with the Blue Dogs.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:00:37pm |
re: #1113 webevintage
That maybe true, but according to MA law the election results cannot be certified for 10 (or 15) days so he cannot be seated until after that time period.
And what, the Senate is supposed to put everything on hold for the next 2 weeks?
The senate needs to respect the wishes of the people. The senate was handed it's ass tonight, and they had better be paying attention.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:00:49pm |
re: #1119 idioma
Uh, you DO know that what policies are proposed, supported, and passed by leaders of our country have a DIRECT consequence on the population right?
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Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:00:50pm |
re: #1115 researchok
Audience? You think you are onstage?
As for 'methodologies' are you sure that's where you want to go?
Anyway, we'll play some more tomorrow.
"All the world's a stage . . ."
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zelnaga Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:00:51pm |
re: #1095 Dark_Falcon
He also mounted a farcical response to the Underwear bomber, so point two stands without qualification.
I agree - I quoted two points and then only really responded to one. At least I didn't quote all of them, heh.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:01:08pm |
re: #1114 Conservative Moonbat
No, I don't oppose defense spending and neither should you. The military industrial complex rapidly created and fielded the MRAPs that help our troops win battles and survive roadside bombs. It also just gave us Hellfire II, which is even now being deployed on drones to send Talibs to the Great Beyond. Don't damn the defensy industry, bless it instead. It helps keep us free.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:01:29pm |
I hope you have had a nice evening. I went to the Katrina Cottages, where I have been picking out my dream cottage. I'm sitting there now, and a nice eighty degree breeze is coming in the window, and there are cookies and a nice salad waiting.
Thanks to whoever posted the link.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:01:49pm |
re: #1114 Conservative Moonbat
If so, you must be in strong opposition to the current military industrial complex if you object to such spending? How is Halliburton any different than private insurers providing government regulated health care plans?
[...]
Is that you Comrade?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:02:22pm |
re: #1126 Silvergirl
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts...
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:02:34pm |
I'm out for now. I leave you with this:
Dawn Teo at Huffington Post:
Lexicographers at the New Oxford American Dictionary have selected teabagger as one of the runner-ups to unfriend for 2009 Word of the Year.
That is because of one man and one man alone: Dave Weigel, who took the immortal photograph that revealed the clownish obliviousness of tens of thousands of rubes.
Heh.
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CapeCoddah Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:02:47pm |
re: #1129 EmmmieG
I hope you have had a nice evening. I went to the Katrina Cottages, where I have been picking out my dream cottage. I'm sitting there now, and a nice eighty degree breeze is coming in the window, and there are cookies and a nice salad waiting.
Thanks to whoever posted the link.
That was Reine... and goodnight everyone. Have a wonderful evening.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:03:20pm |
re: #1101 Jimmah
It's pretty clear the real anger and unpleasantness tonight here has come from the wingnut fraternity. What's that all about? Unhappy winners?
The butthurt is strong in this one.
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AmeriDan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:04:07pm |
em>re: #1121 Unakite
"When it comes to terrorists, our tax dollars should go to weapons to defeat them, and not lawyers to defend them."
Damn, I like this guy!!
Hot Damn! Maybe it will be cool to be a "Cowboy" again.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:04:11pm |
Goodnight folks :)
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BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:04:21pm |
re: #1109 Boondock St. Bender
I wasn't pointing to brown specifically, just that seeing a republican win will make some of the loonies feel that they had an effect.
Ahh. I know some here, including the host, thinks of Brown as in the tea bag vein. I actually think their rooting on Brown may have the positive effect of convincing them to back away from their purist orthodoxy line. Republicans can do well in the coasts if they drop the social con crap. If the tea baggers make a calculate move to support a moderate Republican in a liberal district, then they show a level of pragmatism they have yet shown to date, and that's encouraging.
That said, I doubt they will give Brown any space to be the moderate Republican he will be if he truly represents his constituents.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:06:53pm |
Hey Fenway, you should catch up on this thread.....
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:07:05pm |
re: #1127 zelnaga
I agree - I quoted two points and then only really responded to one. At least I didn't quote all of them, heh.
Well, you asked a fair question, so I gave what I hope was a fair answer. Thank you for your honesty, and sense of fairplay. That's LGF at its best.
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:07:12pm |
re: #1125 TheMatrix31
That is a hideously empty rhetorical question.
Blaming the sitting president is still just silly. This country doesn't have a king that makes all the rules son. We have national and local governments with numerous factors. Now maybe as a kid in the 90's your father's rants at the dinner table sunk in real deep. Maybe he fixated on Clinton because it's harder to admit personal failure; but that's just a guess. I don't have all of the facts here. But I don't think it's rational to blame the President of the United States for a specific even in your life. Especially in the instance of a failed business and relocation.
You should distance yourself from that habit of blaming others and take some personal accountability.
Rugged individualism and Laissez-faire economics are some of the loudest talking points in the GOP. If you chose to embrace those ideals, then you should be glad that your father's business failed because it was at the hands of the free market.
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ckb Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:07:38pm |
re: #900 Bobibutu
Wow ... Barney Frank.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Barney Frank Deals Potential Death Blow to Obamacare
Barney likes his job.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:07:39pm |
re: #1104 iceweasel
I realise this doesn't fit the simplistic model of "My team good, other team bad!" but astute observers of politics know that while that thinking arouses the rabble, and they love it, reality is much more complicated than that.
Feh, you're splitting hairs. The Pelosi/Reid/Obama unholy trinity look like 'Moonbat' to me. No doubt there are even more radical kooks out their on the fringe, but the term works fine for me.
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AmeriDan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:07:51pm |
re: #1134 Fenway_Nation
The butthurt is strong in this one.
Hey Fenway. Yeah, it's been strong. I don't think he's been reading the same thread that I've been lurking on all night.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:08:02pm |
re: #1119 idioma
it's a strong leap to blame the elected party.
Somebody should've told Marsha Martha this......I dunno......a few weeks ago.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:08:46pm |
re: #1123 Conservative Moonbat
Considering that most of the leftists who have settled in over here are fairly moderate, conservatives trolling us for a reaction aren't going to have much luck. I'm a flaming liberal by Tennessee standards but compared to the national party I'm more in line with the Blue Dogs.
True. When I think leftist I think of Indymedia or International ANSWER, etc. Not a standard left leaning Democrat, liberal or progressive. It's like I don't consider conservatives right wing. Most are right leaning Republicans. To that extent I consider far-left to be Communists and far-right to be Nationalists. A leftist of the old school studied Chomsky, Marx or Trotsky. We see nothing like that here.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:09:16pm |
re: #1068 webevintage
sigh.
I just want people to be able to not worry about how they are going to pay the bill if they get sick.
I want Americans to be able to see a Doctor when they get a pain that won't go away instead of waiting until it is heart attack without worrying about how much it is going to cost for that office visit (no problem with co-pays).
I want families to not have to choose between their house payment and paying for cancer treatment.
I would like small businesses and the self-employed to be able to afford insurance. What does it cost us as a society that there are people out there who would be the small business owners we are told makes our economy work but they can't because they can't afford to lose their health insurance.
Unfortunately neither of the current bills would deliver what you and most others want.
What you want can probably only be accomplished by a single-payer, government funded system i.e. socialized medicine, similar to the Canadian system. That is what Obama originally said he would provide (at least as an option), but now you'll have to look under the bus for it - I think it's right beside Van's left shoe.
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Unakite Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:09:45pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:10:26pm |
re: #1134 Fenway_Nation
The butthurt is strong in this one.
Glad to see you tonight, Fenway. Hopefully this will be a good year for your home state. Brown gets elected now, and then the Rod Sox hopefully get to the World Series in the fall. If they're not playing the Cubs there, I even hope they win.
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ckb Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:11:37pm |
re: #1113 webevintage
That maybe true, but according to MA law the election results cannot be certified for 10 (or 15) days so he cannot be seated until after that time period.
This formality can be waived by a letter from Bill Galvin. He did so to seat Nikki Tsongas after her election last year, also a special election. She was seated and voted in the house is less then 48 hours.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:11:47pm |
re: #1139 TheMatrix31
Hey Fenway, you should catch up on this thread...
That's a tall order, Matrix. Computer's slow enough as it is, and I came in on post #1100 or thereabouts.
So....are we gonna get a new Green Jobs Czar to hook up some sort of turbine to Gibbs tomorrow morning so we can harness the unlimited power of his spinning in the WH press room? Maybe some for the MSNBC anchors and hosts, too?
/Never mind Olberdouche, Ed Schultz should be particularly fun tomorrow
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:13:14pm |
re: #1151 Fenway_Nation
He, he. Spot on Fenway, good to see you.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:13:39pm |
re: #1121 Unakite
"When it comes to terrorists, our tax dollars should go to weapons to defeat them, and not lawyers to defend them."
Damn, I like this guy!!
Obama wants record $708 billion for wars next year
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama will ask Congress for an additional $33 billion to fight unpopular wars in Afghanistan and Iraq on top of a record $708 billion for the Defense Department next year, The Associated Press has learned - a request that could be an especially hard sell to some of the administration's Democratic allies.
The extra $33 billion in 2010 would mostly go toward the expansion of the war in Afghanistan. Obama ordered an extra 30,000 troops for that war as part of an overhaul of the war strategy late last year.
Military officials have suggested that the 2011 request would top $700 billion for the first time, but the precise figure has not been made public.
This will be the highest defense budget in history.
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AmeriDan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:14:09pm |
re: #1148 Unakite
I thought it was always cool to be a cowboy. What's your point?
There was no sarc tag. I like the guy too. We need more Cowboys in goverment if you ask me.
Regards
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:15:02pm |
hmmm it's mid january and my JETS are still playing football......this is strange new territory...
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WindHorse Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:15:21pm |
re: #1153 Gus 802
....and these budget decisions, being made by people who have never done an honest day's work in their lives..... whoo-hoo...
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webevintage Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:15:44pm |
re: #1150 ckb
This formality can be waived by a letter from Bill Galvin. He did so to seat Nikki Tsongas after her election last year, also a special election. She was seated and voted in the house is less then 48 hours.
Then he needs to do it.
In the end it seems like there is not much hope for the people who need HCR so what is the use of waiting.
(hows that for butthurt?)
Meh, I'm getting tired and pissy guys so I think I'll go watch Angel and then hit the sack.
BTW, I am once again amazed that for the most part the members here are able (for the most part) discuss this election without out the thread dissolving into a flame war.
Night.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:15:58pm |
re: #1149 Dark_Falcon
First time I could take pride in events that transpired in the Bay State with the rest of the nation or world paying attention that weren't sports-related, DF.
/Sure, the cops and firefighters kick ass, but they don't make the headlines nationally unless they die in large numbers like what happened in Worcester 10 years ago.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:16:03pm |
re: #1156 WindHorse
...and these budget decisions, being made by people who have never done an honest day's work in their lives... whoo-hoo...
Thanks for the information.
Yeah, I know, I can't win.
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Unakite Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:16:18pm |
re: #1154 AmeriDan
There was no sarc tag. I like the guy too. We need more Cowboys in goverment if you ask me.
Regards
Then my bad, I misunderstood (not the first time), but I agree.
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BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:16:29pm |
re: #1111 EastSider
I'm not sure the government would be able to out compete private options. And the "small insurance companies" are typically huge organizations which are highly bureaucratic. Alas, we're in the meat of the debate now: the role of government.
Public/Private competition can work:
1) Have public subways and buses put taxis and limos out of business?
2) Has social security done away with private 401(k)s?
3) Have public schools put private schools and Universities out of business?And, in some cases, it IS better for the government to just administer an object of large social good where competition may not work:
-highways/road construction
-Police
-Fire protection
-ArmyI'm not saying healthcare definitely goes on the list...But there IS a list, and a list of public/private competitive industries. Just saying "government run = bad" doesn't win the argument.
Agreed on the need for 'the list'. But that list needs to be justified . I draw the line at services which cannot be performed by the individual. Liberals tend to define that list in terms of basic needs.
Regarding your examples, public transportation is clearly different from private ownership of cars, the later being greatly preferred by the public. As you state, though, roads are definitely a role for government. Social security was never intended to be the sole source of retirement income, hence the need for 401k and other private investment options. The purpose of the program was to deal with the fact that the elderly and infirmed, once their life savings have run out, cannot keep working to keep living. And public schools are a necessity to ensure all Americans have an equal opportunity to succeed.
Does health care have a compelling justification? If it does, why not housing? Why not food? Clothing? An internet connection? All these things are necessary to get by (arguably the internet is necessary to effectively thrive in today's society, though many shockingly still do without)
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:16:48pm |
re: #1153 Gus 802
This will be the highest defense budget in history.
Oh no, Obama is a sekret member of the Military/Industrial/Halliburten crew.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:17:33pm |
re: #1153 Gus 802
This will be the highest defense budget in history.
And in other news, a rash of exploding heads has been reported. This trend has been most pronounced in artistic circles and on university faculties...
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WindHorse Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:17:53pm |
re: #1163 WindHorse
(that's English to those of you who don't have a command of the English language)
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:17:54pm |
re: #1141 idioma
That is a hideously empty rhetorical question.
Blaming the sitting president is still just silly. This country doesn't have a king that makes all the rules son. We have national and local governments with numerous factors. Now maybe as a kid in the 90's your father's rants at the dinner table sunk in real deep. Maybe he fixated on Clinton because it's harder to admit personal failure; but that's just a guess. I don't have all of the facts here. But I don't think it's rational to blame the President of the United States for a specific even in your life. Especially in the instance of a failed business and relocation.
You should distance yourself from that habit of blaming others and take some personal accountability.
Rugged individualism and Laissez-faire economics are some of the loudest talking points in the GOP. If you chose to embrace those ideals, then you should be glad that your father's business failed because it was at the hands of the free market.
He didn't have a "personal failure". There were policies that were passed that really killed our business. The business was choked out of relevance, and that's what happened.
You're right, you don't know the facts---so maybe you shouldn't comment as if you know. I hate presumptuous fucks.
He's fine with what happened. He realizes what was his hands, but that doesn't mean preclude anyone from pointing fingers at the issues which made the situation occur.
After hell for three years, he built himself back up again in an entirely different industry and still kicked ass. Then in 2007, things went bad again, and he's been out of work since then.
For someone like you who's preaching all this stuff about personal accountability, lasseiz-faire economics, and rugged individualism, it's interesting that you seem to be against everything you're saying. Of course, that's just judging by what you posted.
I would have liked it if troubling industries that were bailed out were left to fail as well. Instead, our assholes in charge committed trillions of dollars to save them and are hell-bent on spending more in so many other places.
Now, when I grow older, the money that I earn (that I will work hard for, like I always have for everything I do---especially since I attend a top-10 university) is going to be used up paying off all the nonsense, instead of being able to enjoy the fruit of my own success.
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BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:17:56pm |
re: #1114 Conservative Moonbat
If so, you must be in strong opposition to the current military industrial complex if you object to such spending? How is Halliburton any different than private insurers providing government regulated health care plans?
FWIW, the model for the plan on the table is the German one which also relies on private insurance companies providing regulated health insurance products. They are much more tightly regulated than anything that's been proposed here though.
Not a fan of the military industrial complex, but famously neither was the Republican president who coined the phrase.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:18:33pm |
re: #1164 Dark_Falcon
And in other news, a rash of exploding heads has been reported. This trend has been most pronounced in artistic circles and on university faculties...
Actually that's kind of true. Exploding heads over at the Democratic Underground, Code Pink, and Infowars.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:18:36pm |
LMAO!
Well it didn't take Newsweek long to try to spin this...
There's no way for the Democrats to soft pedal the historic thumping that Republican Scott Brown delivered to Democrat Martha Coakley on Tuesday in the race to fill Ted Kennedy's Senate seat. Brown ran a shrewd campaign that tapped into the public's anger at the system; Coakley is like the "Waterworld" of American politics, an indelible symbol of failure and, yes, arrogance and stupidity. It will be many years before a candidate for public office again goes on vacation three weeks before an election or shows disrespect for local sports fans.
Is this a wake up call for President Obama? Yes. Does he need to show that he is listening more? Sure. But should this election kill health care? Don't be ridiculous. Who elected Massachusetts to decide for the rest of the country whether we move forward on the bill?
Hmmm, sure man, sounds like a completely non-biased article to me.
*cough* bullshit *cough*.
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:18:49pm |
re: #1152 Bagua
He, he. Spot on Fenway, good to see you.
Good to be seen, Bagua. Good to be seen. Absolutely fan-fucking-tastic day to be a New England born & raised right-winger.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:20:08pm |
re: #1151 Fenway_Nation
That's a tall order, Matrix. Computer's slow enough as it is, and I came in on post #1100 or thereabouts.
So...are we gonna get a new Green Jobs Czar to hook up some sort of turbine to Gibbs tomorrow morning so we can harness the unlimited power of his spinning in the WH press room? Maybe some for the MSNBC anchors and hosts, too?
/Never mind Olberdouche, Ed Schultz should be particularly fun tomorrow
Actually, make sure to tune in to MSNBC tomorrow. I'm taking bets as to how long it take Olberdork to have a full frothing meltdown during his show tomorrow.
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BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:20:13pm |
re: #1120 Silvergirl
Not 100% sure on their war-on-terror votes, but I don't think Snowe or Collins have been peaceniks on the issue.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:20:47pm |
re: #1141 idioma
Besides, you're talking about personal accountability and not blaming single Presidents for problems....
.....people are still blaming Bush. Barack Obama is still blaming Bush. Congress is still blaming Bush. Everything is Bush's fault.
How's THAT for personal accountability?
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sagehen Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:20:54pm |
re: #994 WindUpBird
Man, it's hard to even bother. Republican anti-health-care tribalism is set, like concrete.
The logic they're trying to avoid admitting to out loud:
1. They don't dispute the statement that tens of millions of Americans have no access to any care other than dire emergencies -- they accept this as truth.
2. They don't dispute the statement that tens of thousands of Americans die every year because of having no access to any care other than dire emergencies -- they accept this as truth.
3. They're not bothered by statements 1 and 2.
They believe there's not enough medical care to go around. They take it as given that 15-20% of Americans have to just do without. And their reaction to that is "better them than me."
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WindHorse Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:21:01pm |
...always good to see that Scott Brown is "clever".
Congratulations Senator Clever.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:22:17pm |
re: #1170 Fenway_Nation
Careful now, you sure that wasn't just your Dad's ranting and raving at the dinner table?!?!
//
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freetoken Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:22:45pm |
re: #1161 BryanS
Does health care have a compelling justification? If it does, why not housing? Why not food? Clothing? An internet connection? All these things are necessary to get by (arguably the internet is necessary to effectively thrive in today's society, though many shockingly still do without)
Perhaps Health Care is different, if not by type then by quality. Health care practitioners, and their practices, are rationed by the government through the very tight regulation of qualifications, as well as being the single largest funder of the production of the practitioners.
While the government is (and has been for some time) involved in food, clothing, housing, and internet industries, in all of those cases there is much more freedom on the production side.
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Unakite Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:23:54pm |
Cheers. Almost 1:30 and need some sleep.
(YEHAH)!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:24:54pm |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:25:42pm |
re: #1170 Fenway_Nation
Boston Mudflat!
Who is this guy Schilling they keep talking about? ;D
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Fenway_Nation Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:26:19pm |
re: #1169 ausador
So....Brown won because Congress....with a filibuster-proof supermajority.... isn't cramming down shitty, job-killing legislation, punitive taxes on the middle class or kickbacks to cronies in their home districts fast enough?
PLEASE run with that leading up to November, Mr Dean!
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:26:39pm |
re: #1170 Fenway_Nation
Good to be seen, Bagua. Good to be seen. Absolutely fan-fucking-tastic day to be a New England born & raised right-winger.
Yep, Mortimer, We're back!
Long live the 41st Senator from Massachusetts!
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:26:52pm |
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AmeriDan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:27:48pm |
re: #1180 Spare O'Lake
Boston Mudflat!
Who is this guy Schilling they keep talking about? ;D
Some Yankees fan, is what I heard.
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:27:58pm |
re: #1166 TheMatrix31
Do 10-ten Universities teach reading comprehension?
Read it again, Sam.
Rugged individualism and Laissez-faire economics are some of the loudest talking points in the GOP. If you chose to embrace those ideals, then you should be glad that your father's business failed because it was at the hands of the free market.
This statement does not imply what it is that I believe.
Allow me to clarify. Ayn Rand's dream of rugged individualism and Laissez-faire economics are flawed philosophies. Each instance of their attempted implementation has been an embarrassing failure. Even Ayn Rand was a lousy capitalist who would often choose low profit margins in exchange for dissemination of her words.
You would do well to argue more than one side of an issue to better understand opposing perspective. You might even learn to be dynamic and independent instead of a flag waving ideologue.
Because it's just embarrassing to hear you try to rationalize your position right now.
| 1186 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:29:05pm |
Curt Schilling Massachusetts hero. Don't mess with the Red Sox.
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BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:29:17pm |
re: #1177 freetoken
Perhaps Health Care is different, if not by type then by quality. Health care practitioners, and their practices, are rationed by the government through the very tight regulation of qualifications, as well as being the single largest funder of the production of the practitioners.
While the government is (and has been for some time) involved in food, clothing, housing, and internet industries, in all of those cases there is much more freedom on the production side.
And also rationed by the trial lawyers--could you imagine health care by under qualified doctors? Hell, many qualified ones stay away due to those costs imposed by threat of frivolous lawsuit.
Government is involved in all the areas you mention--as it is involved in healthcare today. However, should government take over the role of providing health care? Why not have government run housing compete with the private sector so the poor have a means of buying homes? Fannie and Freddie worked so well on home financing, why shouldn't the government provide the actual homes? They could sell them for $100k--or whatever the poorest among us could afford if that is too much.
| 1188 |
Fenway_Nation Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:29:43pm |
re: #1180 Spare O'Lake
Boston Mudflat!
Who is this guy Schilling they keep talking about? ;D
Schilling!? Biggest Yankee fan EVAR!
/Coakley
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:29:44pm |
re: #1173 TheMatrix31
Besides, you're talking about personal accountability and not blaming single Presidents for problems...
...people are still blaming Bush. Barack Obama is still blaming Bush. Congress is still blaming Bush. Everything is Bush's fault.
How's THAT for personal accountability?
That is a straw man. Try again later.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:29:45pm |
re: #1173 TheMatrix31
I admire your restraint. That personal attack was over the line IMO.
Kudos.
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earth56 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:30:34pm |
The Republic has been saved by Massachusets !
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:30:36pm |
re: #1185 idioma
I don't need you to tell me how to do anything. Your posts in this thread have disgusted me. I'd prefer if we just dropped it and you didn't speak to me again.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:31:01pm |
re: #1183 Gus 802
I think they just didn't like having it pointed out. Purely speculation on my part, though.
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:31:10pm |
re: #1190 Spare O'Lake
What personal attack? Where is the profanity? The anger? The insult of one's character?
He made a silly remark and I called him on it.
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sagehen Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:31:31pm |
re: #1029 researchok
That is preposterous,
Carter had promised to release the funds long before inauguration day in exchange for the hostages. They refused Carter but for some reason, acceded to Reagan.
Try again.
Maybe because Reagan's VP, having been CIA Director and ambassador to China, had some extra information and/or extra friends to know who to pressure and how.
| 1196 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:31:44pm |
re: #1190 Spare O'Lake
You have no idea how much I'm trying to hold back.
| 1197 |
BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:32:10pm |
re: #1179 Slumbering Behemoth
If I recall, I do believe I got more than a few down-dings for linking that vid in the spin off links some time back.
Heh indeed :) It's not such an offensive post, though it could depend on the context. Large military contractors feeding off of government contractors are a corrupting influence on our government. This would also be a serious problem with government run--'private' health care. The opportunities for graft would be boundless.
| 1198 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:32:14pm |
re: #1191 earth56
It's an egg, not a chicken. Don't count it yet.
| 1201 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:33:41pm |
re: #1199 WindHorse
not a lover of ted but, bad taste.
| 1202 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:34:37pm |
re: #1201 Boondock St. Bender
not a lover of ted but, bad taste.
Agreed. That was in poor taste, windhorse.
| 1203 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:35:24pm |
re: #1199 WindHorse
I believe the last guy who made that comment a few hundred posts up had his post deleted and got some down-dings to boot.
| 1204 |
earth56 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:35:37pm |
re: #1198 Slumbering Behemoth
Better day today than yesterday considering the pork billhas less a chance of passing. Its like the Jets still alive versus San Diego.
| 1205 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:35:41pm |
White House
Democratic Party
House of Representitives
Democratic Party: 256
Republican Party: 178
US Senate
Democratic Party: 59
Republican Party: 41
US Governors
Democratic Party: 26
Republican Party: 24
| 1206 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:36:01pm |
re: #1196 TheMatrix31
You have no idea how much I'm trying to hold back.
And I admire you for doing so. When someone attacks your family like that, the first reaction is to flame them. Your refusal to do so demonstrates your maturity and good judgment.
| 1207 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:36:16pm |
re: #1115 researchok
Audience? You think you are onstage?
As for 'methodologies' are you sure that's where you want to go?
Anyway, we'll play some more tomorrow.
"Methodology" is a would-be-wise dumbass's word for "method".
Like "modality" for "mode" or "incidence" for "instance".
All of them get at least a mental downding from me.
| 1208 |
Fenway_Nation Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:36:36pm |
re: #1186 Bagua
Curt Schilling Massachusetts hero. Don't mess with the Red Sox.
Ted Kennedy never inspired thousands of New Englanders, their voices still hoarse from celebrating and tears still in their eyes, to make a solemn trip on a sunny autumn day to the cemetary with a little Red Sox pennant or trinket in hand so that they could tell their departed loved ones 'They did it!' and leave a momento on their headstone.
Do not underestimate the sanctity of this New England institution.
| 1209 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:36:37pm |
re: #1054 researchok
The reason was the threat to bomb the shit out of Tehran.
And it was a miracle that the deal came together on Inauguration Day of a man they hated and feared more than Carter.
Brilliant.
A miracle? Or a plan? GHWB had his reasons, and his methods, why the release shouldn't happen on Carter's watch.
(forgot to add in my previous comment -- in addition to having been CIA Director and and China ambassador, he'd also been RNC chair.)
| 1210 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:37:19pm |
re: #1206 Dark_Falcon
I can't even begin to properly construct what I want to say.
| 1212 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:37:51pm |
re: #1207 Cato the Elder
"Methodology" is a would-be-wise dumbass's word for "method".
Like "modality" for "mode" or "incidence" for "instance".
All of them get at least a mental downding from me.
Mental cruelty.
| 1213 |
idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:38:10pm |
re: #1192 TheMatrix31
Good luck in your studies. Take a debate course and read more philosophy. You don't need to change your mind but you should be open to the possibility that you don't have things figured out yet. Get drunk, meet some girls, maybe try to enjoy your youth.
“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”
I hope someday both of us are rich enough to be Republicans.
| 1214 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:38:22pm |
With all the postmortem, high-speed rotations people think are happening lately, I am surprised the Earth hasn't spun right out of it's orbit and into the sun.
Hey, I am guilty of it too. I have said, and still maintain, that both Buckley and Goldwater are spinning in their graves over what has become of the GOP.
| 1215 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:38:53pm |
re: #1207 Cato the Elder
how about synergistic relationship?(a little part of my soul died every time i heard that phrase)
| 1216 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:39:45pm |
re: #1194 idioma
What personal attack? Where is the profanity? The anger? The insult of one's character?
He made a silly remark and I called him on it.
GAZE
| 1217 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:39:56pm |
re: #1213 idioma
I guess I'm heartless. I guess I've BEEN heartless.
You don't have to be rich to be a Republican. I'm not rich.
| 1218 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:40:01pm |
re: #1213 idioma
Good luck in your studies. Take a debate course and read more philosophy. You don't need to change your mind but you should be open to the possibility that you don't have things figured out yet. Get drunk, meet some girls, maybe try to enjoy your youth.
“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”
I hope someday both of us are rich enough to be Republicans.
By that logic I'm heartless, because I've been a conservative since I was 14.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:40:33pm |
re: #1121 Unakite
"When it comes to terrorists, our tax dollars should go to weapons to defeat them, and not lawyers to defend them."
Damn, I like this guy!!
That's one of the cheaper lines in recent memory.
Like we can't do both - fight terrorists and try them when captured.
Oh, but we should just make them kneel down and shoot them in the back of the neck, like our role models, the Nazis, right? And send the bill for the bullet to their mothers, like our buddies the Chinese.
Where's Ludwig when you need him?
| 1220 |
cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:41:23pm |
re: #1218 Dark_Falcon
By that logic I'm heartless, because I've been a conservative since I was 14.
I've been a conservative for richer and for poorer. Principles don't change with circumstances.
| 1221 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:41:28pm |
re: #1208 Fenway_Nation
Do not underestimate the sanctity of this New England institution.
quod erat demonstrandum
| 1222 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:41:29pm |
re: #1204 earth56
Still an egg, and not a chicken. Some want to jump for joy, but I am a "wait and see" type right now. I wanna see it hatch first before I count it as a chicken.
| 1223 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:41:49pm |
re: #1219 Cato the Elder
what was the line?we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
| 1224 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:41:50pm |
re: #1215 Boondock St. Bender
how about synergistic relationship?(a little part of my soul died every time i heard that phrase)
"Sustainability" is the new "synergy".
I can't stand either word.
| 1225 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:41:52pm |
re: #1208 Fenway_Nation
Ted Kennedy never inspired thousands of New Englanders, their voices still hoarse from celebrating and tears still in their eyes, to make a solemn trip on a sunny autumn day to the cemetary with a little Red Sox pennant or trinket in hand so that they could tell their departed loved ones 'They did it!' and leave a momento on their headstone.
Do not underestimate the sanctity of this New England institution.
That was an awesome sight when Boston won. Someday I hope that Cubs fans will have a similar such day. I also hope I live to see it.
| 1226 |
AmeriDan Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:41:57pm |
| 1227 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:42:14pm |
re: #1116 Dark_Falcon
Both options are dead letters. Senator Webb announced that he will not vote for anything related to the health care bill until Brown is seated, and Braney Frank said that he will vote against any quick attempt to pass the the bill in the House. The Dems will have to find another solution and its will not be a quick one.
Neither vote is needed for the ping pong scenario. The senate doesn't have to vote on it again if the House will approve the Senate bill as it is, and they don't need Frank's vote to do that.
| 1228 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:42:33pm |
re: #1207 Cato the Elder
"Methodology" is a would-be-wise dumbass's word for "method".
Like "modality" for "mode" or "incidence" for "instance".
All of them get at least a mental downding from me.
So your down-ding methodology requires a severe modality of intolerence to incidences of dumbassery?
///
| 1229 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:42:40pm |
re: #1219 Cato the Elder
That's one of the cheaper lines in recent memory.
Like we can't do both - fight terrorists and try them when captured.
Oh, but we should just make them kneel down and shoot them in the back of the neck, like our role models, the Nazis, right? And send the bill for the bullet to their mothers, like our buddies the Chinese.
Where's Ludwig when you need him?
As I pointed out earlier. The defense budget is actually going to reach record levels under Obama. Thus, more tax dollars will be going to weapons to defeat them.
| 1230 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:44:34pm |
re: #1227 Conservative Moonbat
If Frank is backing away, he won't be the only one. The Dems passed the bill by a slim margin the first time. With House Dems start pulling back, Pelosi won't have enough votes to ping pong the bill. Trust me on this, Obamacare will either die or be massively revised.
| 1231 |
idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:44:38pm |
| 1232 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:44:40pm |
re: #1217 TheMatrix31
I guess I'm heartless. I guess I've BEEN heartless.
You don't have to be rich to be a Republican. I'm not rich.
Being stupid helps, apparently.
| 1233 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:45:20pm |
re: #1219 Cato the Elder
That's one of the cheaper lines in recent memory.
Like we can't do both - fight terrorists and try them when captured.
Oh, but we should just make them kneel down and shoot them in the back of the neck, like our role models, the Nazis, right? And send the bill for the bullet to their mothers, like our buddies the Chinese.
Where's Ludwig when you need him?
What's with the extremes? He didn't say to shoot them in the back of the head. Bringing in the Nazis? Really, Cato.
| 1234 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:45:21pm |
re: #1205 Gus 802
White House
Democratic PartyHouse of Representitives
Democratic Party: 256
Republican Party: 178US Senate
Democratic Party: 59
Republican Party: 41US Governors
Democratic Party: 26
Republican Party: 24
There you go. You had to go straight up buzz kill, when all I've been doing is try to dampen the unwarranted enthusiasm just a little. Spoiler!
/
| 1235 |
cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:45:36pm |
re: #1225 Dark_Falcon
That was an awesome sight when Boston won. Someday I hope that Cubs fans will have a similar such day. I also hope I live to see it.
DF - You gotta accept when the cards are stacked against you. Buckner's redemption is a once-in-a-lifetime thing. Steve Bartman will not be so lucky. I'm telling you this for your own good...
| 1236 |
Fenway_Nation Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:46:11pm |
re: #1219 Cato the Elder
Where's Ludwig when you need him?
Shopping around on Travelocity for group rates on one way tickets to Pyongyang, last I checked.
| 1237 |
BryanS Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:46:20pm |
re: #1230 Dark_Falcon
If Frank is backing away, he won't be the only one. The Dems passed the bill by a slim margin the first time. With House Dems start pulling back, Pelosi won't have enough votes to ping pong the bill. Trust me on this, Obamacare will either die or be massively revised.
Yeah. By all indications and from the reactions of seasoned pols like Frank, the bill as written is dead. Either they start from scratch or move on.
| 1238 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:46:35pm |
re: #1233 Silvergirl
What's with the extremes? He didn't say to shoot them in the back of the head. Bringing in the Nazis? Really, Cato.
He was channeling the one he missed of course.
| 1239 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:47:29pm |
| 1240 |
cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:47:43pm |
re: #1227 Conservative Moonbat
Neither vote is needed for the ping pong scenario. The senate doesn't have to vote on it again if the House will approve the Senate bill as it is, and they don't need Frank's vote to do that.
Going with the theme, the Cubs will win the World Series and Steve Bartman picked MVP before that happens.
| 1241 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:47:48pm |
re: #1128 Dark_Falcon
No, I don't oppose defense spending and neither should you. The military industrial complex rapidly created and fielded the MRAPs that help our troops win battles and survive roadside bombs. It also just gave us Hellfire II, which is even now being deployed on drones to send Talibs to the Great Beyond. Don't damn the defensy industry, bless it instead. It helps keep us free.
I've got no problem with it. I was just arguing with dude before who had a problem with the government providing specs and letting contractors compete to provide a product that meet the specs. Apparently contractors should be able to build missiles for the Air Force with big plastic noses hanging off the sides.
| 1242 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:48:40pm |
re: #1233 Silvergirl
What's with the extremes? He didn't say to shoot them in the back of the head. Bringing in the Nazis? Really, Cato.
Neck, not head. It's called the "Genickschuss" in German and when properly done it instantly severs the spinal cord. No need to get messy brain matter all over the place.
And the stupid-ass opposition between "weapons to fight them" and "lawyers to defend them" implies that we should not bother with the latter.
| 1243 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:49:16pm |
re: #1084 TheMatrix31
Actually it was. Our business was absolutely destroyed, and we've lost all the money we made over the years trying to survive SINCE. Its been an absolute horrendous, miserable time from 1999-2002 and since 2007. Destroying everything my father came to America for and built from the ground up, I hope the Democrats are "happy" about that.
From 1992 to 2000 was the biggest peacetime economic expansion in history. 22 million new jobs.
If your family's business couldn't survive in that environment, it says more about you than it does about the President.
| 1244 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:49:30pm |
re: #1231 idioma
I hate hard liquor with a passion, I've got no use for hook-ups., and there's nothing that needs clearing up other than your penchant for insulting Matrix.
| 1245 |
Fenway_Nation Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:50:29pm |
re: #1229 Gus 802
Thus, more tax dollars will be going to weapons to defeat them.
You sure about that? How much of the costs to incarcerate terrorsim suspects for trial here in the CONUS are going to come from the DoD? It won't be cheap....and it's going to come from somewhere.
| 1246 |
gremal Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:50:30pm |
How many democrat senators do you think will want Obama to campaign with them now? Or will continue to support his healthcare "reform", i.e., new deal for government, in the face of tremendous public opposition.
Meanwhile, the only thing Obama has actually done in the past year--send tens of thousands of troops to the armpit of the universe--is not going so well. Gosh, when Hillary said this guy was not ready to lead she wasn't kidding. Even she knew it. You know when the bluest state votes for a republican senator for the first time in more than 50 years it's about more than a health care bill.
| 1247 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:50:45pm |
re: #1242 Cato the Elder
It's a gratuitous reference to the Nazis Cato.
| 1248 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:50:48pm |
re: #1234 Slumbering Behemoth
There you go. You had to go straight up buzz kill, when all I've been doing is try to dampen the unwarranted enthusiasm just a little. Spoiler!
/
Being the party pooper that I am? Well, I think the GOP knows this. Speaking as an outsider to both parties I would say that the GOP has a lot of work ahead of them. So do the Democrats. Many are wondering if Obama will realign his direction as did Clinton in 1992 I believe. At the same time, the Senate GOP can't become obstructionists.
A lot will depend on if the Dems heed to the statement offered by Jim Webb and hold any further votes until Brown is sworn in. They have to stop holding closed door meetings. This was not only mentioned by Webb but by Mayor Gavin Newsom of San Francisco.
| 1249 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:51:04pm |
re: #1146 Gus 802
True. When I think leftist I think of Indymedia or International ANSWER, etc. Not a standard left leaning Democrat, liberal or progressive. It's like I don't consider conservatives right wing. Most are right leaning Republicans. To that extent I consider far-left to be Communists and far-right to be Nationalists. A leftist of the old school studied Chomsky, Marx or Trotsky. We see nothing like that here.
To be fair I've studied all three. Then I grew up.
| 1250 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:51:12pm |
re: #1244 Dark_Falcon
I like you, but I am not partying with you anytime soon.
/
| 1251 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:51:20pm |
re: #1243 sagehen
Except my Dad's business was established in the mid-1980s. Hmm......
| 1252 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:51:28pm |
re: #1228 ausador
So your down-ding methodology requires a severe modality of intolerence to incidences of dumbassery?
///
That's his paradigm.
Paradigm is my peeve word. I think it's overused and plugged into the most ridiculous conversations. Not so much now as maybe in the 90s. Perhaps its heyday has mercifully passed.
| 1253 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:51:44pm |
re: #1245 Fenway_Nation
You sure about that? How much of the costs to incarcerate terrorsim suspects for trial here in the CONUS are going to come from the DoD? It won't be cheap...and it's going to come from somewhere.
They'll just pile it on top of the deficit which is unfortunate.
| 1254 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:52:21pm |
re: #1241 Conservative Moonbat
I've got no problem with it. I was just arguing with dude before who had a problem with the government providing specs and letting contractors compete to provide a product that meet the specs. Apparently contractors should be able to build missiles for the Air Force with big plastic noses hanging off the sides.
Fair enough.
| 1255 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:52:28pm |
re: #1239 Spare O'Lake
How about a shitty limerick?
Done.
The Matrix thinks taking offense
Distracts from the fact that he's dense.
His antics fall flat.
He'd do well in a hat
And a big rubber nose for suspense.
| 1256 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:52:31pm |
re: #1244 Dark_Falcon
I hate hard liquor with a passion, I've got no use for hook-ups., and there's nothing that needs clearing up other than your penchant for insulting Matrix.
I'll be by in 15 minutes to pick up your single malts.
| 1257 |
cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:52:38pm |
re: #1243 sagehen
From 1992 to 2000 was the biggest peacetime economic expansion in history. 22 million new jobs.
If your family's business couldn't survive in that environment, it says more about you than it does about the President.
I'm wondering what that comment says about you...
| 1258 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:52:39pm |
re: #1128 Dark_Falcon
Don't damn the defensy industry, bless it instead. It helps keep us free.
It kept us free a lot cheaper when E5's used to do the work that Halliburton and Blackwater are doing.
| 1259 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:52:51pm |
re: #1249 Conservative Moonbat
To be fair I've studied all three. Then I grew up.
Robert Bork also studied Marxism as a teen. Little known fact. Of course he changed early on.
| 1260 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:53:33pm |
re: #1252 Silvergirl
ah yes new buzz words must be found
so the dim-witted can sound profound.
| 1261 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:54:19pm |
re: #1252 Silvergirl
That's his paradigm.
Paradigm is my peeve word. I think it's overused and plugged into the most ridiculous conversations. Not so much now as maybe in the 90s. Perhaps its heyday has mercifully passed.
I like 'em in shifts. As in lacy underthings, not working hours.
| 1262 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:54:31pm |
re: #1242 Cato the Elder
Neck, not head. It's called the "Genickschuss" in German and when properly done it instantly severs the spinal cord. No need to get messy brain matter all over the place.
And the stupid-ass opposition between "weapons to fight them" and "lawyers to defend them" implies that we should not bother with the latter.
You focus on the oddest parts of a post. I mean this neck/head thing.
I see your point on the implication in the lawyer statement.
| 1263 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:55:18pm |
| 1264 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:55:56pm |
re: #1262 Silvergirl
You focus on the oddest parts of a post. I mean this neck/head thing.
I see your point on the implication in the lawyer statement.
I have a fractal mind.
Anyone up for a Mandelbrot set or two?
| 1265 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:56:31pm |
re: #1250 Slumbering Behemoth
I like you, but I am not partying with you anytime soon.
/
That's OK. I'm not very fun at parties. I tend to keep to myself and the people I already know. The good news is that if you invite me I won't embarrass you. I'm a good guest.
| 1266 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:56:48pm |
re: #1246 gremal
How many democrat senators do you think will want Obama to campaign with them now? Or will continue to support his healthcare "reform", i.e., new deal for government, in the face of tremendous public opposition.
Meanwhile, the only thing Obama has actually done in the past year--send tens of thousands of troops to the armpit of the universe--is not going so well. Gosh, when Hillary said this guy was not ready to lead she wasn't kidding. Even she knew it. You know when the bluest state votes for a republican senator for the first time in more than 50 years it's about more than a health care bill.
Spot on. Obama is a lame duck after this, poison after November. The Democrats will either follow Coakley of a cliff like lemmings or work hard to differentiate themselves from Obama, the lame duck.
| 1267 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:56:50pm |
re: #1251 TheMatrix31
Okay, I am sure everyone is curious to know by now...
What line/type of business was it, and what gov't policies enacted by Clinton are responsible for killing it?
| 1268 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:56:52pm |
re: #1263 Silvergirl
No idea.
Paradigms. In shifts.
It was the most gag-inducing buzzword of the 99s: "paradigm shift".
| 1269 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:57:18pm |
re: #1255 Cato the Elder
Done.
The Matrix thinks taking offense
Distracts from the fact that he's dense.
His antics fall flat.
He'd do well in a hat
And a big rubber nose for suspense.
Yup, that's shitty all right.
| 1270 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:57:30pm |
re: #1215 Boondock St. Bender
how about synergistic relationship?(a little part of my soul died every time i heard that phrase)
I only heard that one once IRL thank goodness, we were building a new V.A. hospital and the G.A.O. called this woman in to talk to all the crew leads for the project. We ran her out of the room in tears after about fifteen minutes, I don't think she had quite the audience she expected. Still, I can't fathom what else it was she was anticipating from a bunch of construction foremen in Alaska?
| 1271 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:57:35pm |
re: #1268 Cato the Elder
Paradigms. In shifts.
It was the most gag-inducing buzzword of the 99s: "paradigm shift".
Ah, thank you.
I soon I forget. Or try to.
| 1272 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:57:57pm |
| 1273 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:59:22pm |
re: #1264 Cato the Elder
I have a fractal mind.
Anyone up for a Mandelbrot set or two?
Still pining for Ludwig.
| 1274 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:00:00pm |
re: #1270 ausador
lol yeah the buzz word shit only sells with the pretentious of the suit and tie set.
| 1275 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:00:08pm |
re: #1268 Cato the Elder
Paradigms. In shifts.
It was the most gag-inducing buzzword of the 99s: "paradigm shift".
Scott Adams had the best riff on that I've ever seen. Dogbert made an Accounting Troll's head explode by putting a hat on backwards. When Dilbert asked about the popping sound the troll's head made, Dogbert said it was "A paradigm shifting without a clutch."
| 1276 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:00:31pm |
re: #1267 Slumbering Behemoth
Okay, I am sure everyone is curious to know by now...
What line/type of business was it, and what gov't policies enacted by Clinton are responsible for killing it?
Obviously it must have been Dioxin manufacturing!
/
| 1277 |
emcesq Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:01:06pm |
Website slow... "She canna take any more, Cap'n!"
LOVE IT!!!
| 1278 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:02:23pm |
re: #1277 emcesq
Website slow... "She canna take any more, Cap'n!"
LOVE IT!!!
It's been a fun night.
| 1279 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:02:30pm |
re: #1266 Bagua
Spot on. Obama is a lame duck after this, poison after November. The Democrats will either follow Coakley of a cliff like lemmings or work hard to differentiate themselves from Obama, the lame duck.
They need to forget about Coakley. Yes, she was a weak candidate but that's not the reason behind a Brown win. 22 percent of Democrats as polled were said to vote for Brown. It's about policy and strategy. It's the closed door meetings. It's the 40 percent excise tax on Cadillac insurance policies. It's about cutting a special deal behind closed doors to the big unions. I don't think it's about national security. Obama actually has good numbers about those... It's also about the economy and double digit unemployment.
| 1280 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:02:33pm |
Time to turn in,gotta get the lil'guys to school in the morning.
you guys have a great nite.
| 1281 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:02:33pm |
re: #1267 Slumbering Behemoth
He did medical equipment purchases, sales, repairs, and maintenance. His business had reach around the whole San Joaquin Valley of California. Laws (health and insurance-related) passed during the middle to late 90s started to put the squeeze on these medical offices and hospitals and they were forced to slowly stop calling on private firms like my Dad's to come in and do their maintenance repairs.
| 1282 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:03:27pm |
re: #1269 Spare O'Lake
I've got my own limerick, probably not a good idea to post it though.
| 1283 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:04:52pm |
re: #1265 Dark_Falcon
The good news is that if you invite me I won't embarrass you.
Won't embarrass me? You're definitely not invited, then.
Fenway is still tops on the invite list, though. At least he can take a proper piss in a potted plant while shouting "Stop bitching, you nancy-pants! It's not more than what God gave me"!
| 1284 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:04:54pm |
re: #1279 Gus 802
Good analysis. We are going to see the "weak candidate" meme spun right up until the November massacre. The new Boston Massacre is foreshadowing.
| 1285 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:05:33pm |
re: #1161 BryanS
Does health care have a compelling justification? If it does, why not housing? Why not food? Clothing? An internet connection? All these things are necessary to get by (arguably the internet is necessary to effectively thrive in today's society, though many shockingly still do without)
I know I've said this before, but...
Food stamps.
Section 8 housing.
And these days there's computer rooms at public libraries.
Yes, we do feel a compelling public interest in minimizing the number of starving, homeless people. Some people feel this way because of compassion; others because desperate people do desperate things.
| 1286 |
Silvergirl Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:07:04pm |
re: #1284 Bagua
Good analysis. We are going to see the "weak candidate" meme spun right up until the November massacre. The new Boston Massacre is foreshadowing.
Overconfidence can be a killer.
| 1287 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:07:46pm |
| 1288 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:08:07pm |
| 1289 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:08:30pm |
re: #1284 Bagua
Good analysis. We are going to see the "weak candidate" meme spun right up until the November massacre. The new Boston Massacre is foreshadowing.
If healthcare reform doesn't pass in some form this is only the palest of foreshadowing, November will be a massacre as the independents and even some Dems turn on their own.
| 1290 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:09:24pm |
Dear President Obama:
It's the economy, stupid.
Sincerely,
Gus
| 1291 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:10:27pm |
| 1292 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:10:43pm |
re: #1279 Gus 802
They need to forget about Coakley. Yes, she was a weak candidate but that's not the reason behind a Brown win. 22 percent of Democrats as polled were said to vote for Brown. It's about policy and strategy. It's the closed door meetings. It's the 40 percent excise tax on Cadillac insurance policies. It's about cutting a special deal behind closed doors to the big unions. I don't think it's about national security. Obama actually has good numbers about those... It's also about the economy and double digit unemployment.
Agreed, to all.
The Dems were imo hubristic about that seat. They really assumed any Dem at all could easily take it. Even a crap candidate running a crap campaign.
Really stupid. There was always a strong possibility (imo) that many people in MA, including Dems, would vote for a non-Dem precisely because the seat had been Dem so long. Add to that the economy and unemployment, which were always the best indicators of incumbents losing (not that Coakely was an incumbent, but you take my meaning.)
Gore did say one good thing in 1991: "It's the economy, stupid."
It is always the economy. And if the economy isn't in turnaround by 2012, that will be the reason why Obama loses reelection--if he does. Nothing else he does will even matter.
At least, that's always been my belief.
| 1293 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:11:03pm |
| 1294 |
Fenway_Nation Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:11:06pm |
re: #1283 Slumbering Behemoth
Won't embarrass me? You're definitely not invited, then.
Fenway is still tops on the invite list, though. At least he can take a proper piss in a potted plant while shouting "Stop bitching, you nancy-pants! It's not more than what God gave me"!
Forgot about that....first time I ever saw an artificial plant turn brown and wilt.
| 1295 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:11:16pm |
re: #1290 Gus 802
Dear President Obama:
It's the economy, stupid.
Sincerely,
Gus
ha! you beat me! yep.
| 1296 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:12:23pm |
re: #1289 ausador
If healthcare reform doesn't pass in some form this is only the palest of foreshadowing, November will be a massacre as the independents and even some Dems turn on their own.
Things really do look good. Hard to believe, really.
| 1297 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:13:00pm |
re: #1294 Fenway_Nation
Forgot about that...first time I ever saw an artificial plant turn brown and wilt.
LOL!
| 1298 |
LotharBot Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:13:01pm |
re: #1174 sagehen
1.tens of millions of Americans have no access to any care other than dire emergencies
2. tens of thousands of Americans die every year because of having no access to any care other than dire emergencies
3. They're not bothered by statements 1 and 2.
I'm tremendously bothered by statements 1 and 2.
I just think we can solve this while simultaneously solving other problems, whereas I think the currently proposed plans don't do enough to fix this and they introduce a whole host of other problems.
I would be all for a health care bill that introduced a simple, fair public option for those who need it, and that also removed many of the legal barriers that lead to increased prices and decreased quality of service. I don't want a health care bill that makes those barriers worse and introduces a complex, unfair, not-really-totally-public option. I'm not anti-reform, I'm just anti-this-particular-reform-in-this-particular-way.
It's a legitimate public interest (see #1285) to reduce the number of homeless, starving, ill people. But nobody would suggest solving starvation with thousands of pages of legislation that greatly increased the costs for grocers and consumers, especially not if there was already a byzantine system in place that made food 3 times as expensive as it should be. The right solution would be to bring food costs down while creating (public or private) charities to provide for those who still couldn't afford it. The same is true with health care. Let's have reform, but let's do it right.
| 1299 |
cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:13:32pm |
re: #1285 sagehen
Some people believe in minimizing starvation and homelessness, and so decide to do something about it with their own means, not others'
| 1300 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:14:16pm |
re: #1205 Gus 802
US Senate
Democratic Party:5957
Republican Party: 41
Bernie Sanders: 1
Joe Lieberman: 1
FTFY
| 1301 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:14:30pm |
re: #1281 TheMatrix31
Were these state or federal laws? Which laws were they, specifically? I ask out of genuine curiosity. This is a theme you touch on quite often, and if you would provide more concrete details I think it would go a long way towards helping people understand where you are coming from when you do talk about it.
| 1302 |
Fenway_Nation Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:15:13pm |
Movin' on up to what I'm hoping is a thread that won't freeze up the window every 30 seconds or so....
| 1303 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:15:24pm |
| 1304 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:15:38pm |
re: #1227 Conservative Moonbat
Neither vote is needed for the ping pong scenario. The senate doesn't have to vote on it again if the House will approve the Senate bill as it is, and they don't need Frank's vote to do that.
Do you think that's likely to happen? The House approving it and sending it to Obama? I'm not so sure.
| 1305 |
idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:15:42pm |
re: #1255 Cato the Elder
And that's funny! Get this guy a cigar!
| 1306 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:15:43pm |
| 1307 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:16:06pm |
re: #1295 iceweasel
ha! you beat me! yep.
I did didn't I. Damn if that doesn't make me angry and depressed. 2009 was the worst year ever. Then they said we're bottoming out around July. Then they said flat for 2010 and expect to have a permanent 10 percent unemployment rate. How in the world can we sustain this?
The economy should be the number one priority. We can get to HCR later. And the economy needs to be righted on the supply side suffice it to say because that's how our system works.
| 1308 |
cliffster Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:16:28pm |
re: #1302 Fenway_Nation
Movin' on up to what I'm hoping is a thread that won't freeze up the window every 30 seconds or so...
Chrome is your friend.
| 1309 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:19:39pm |
re: #1303 ausador
You don't remeber the SNL skits?
No, I didn't watch hardly any television in the '90s. I was in my twenties then, so I was too busy drinking hard liquor and hooking up with the ladies.
/In your face, Dark_Falcon!
| 1310 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:20:44pm |
re: #1296 Bagua
Things really do look good. Hard to believe, really.
Dammit, you made me upding you, and I'm still pissed at you about...well...something or the other you said on some thread weeks ago.
///
| 1311 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:21:55pm |
re: #1307 Gus 802
I did didn't I. Damn if that doesn't make me angry and depressed. 2009 was the worst year ever. Then they said we're bottoming out around July. Then they said flat for 2010 and expect to have a permanent 10 percent unemployment rate. How in the world can we sustain this?
The economy should be the number one priority. We can get to HCR later. And the economy needs to be righted on the supply side suffice it to say because that's how our system works.
I can't (and don't) disagree with you about the economy, but I also can't see going any longer without some HCR, even the version of it up now-- which is a gift to the insurance companies and big Pharma, no question.
Too many people without insurance. Too many people without coverage, or with inadequate coverage. And that only increases as the economy tanks, because so many are losing jobs and can't afford COBRA. It's a clusterfuck.
And most of all-- way too many bankruptcies because of medical expenses. People are getting the one-two punch-- the economy and then an illness or accident. It's wiping out people who worked hard all their lives--savings, homes, everything they own.
| 1312 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:22:10pm |
re: #1307 Gus 802
Sorry to say the indications are that we haven't seen the bottom yet. Things are likely to get a lot worse.
| 1313 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:23:51pm |
re: #1300 sagehen
FTFY
US Senate
Democratic Party: 59 61
Susan Snowe: 1
Olympia Collins: 1
Republican Party: 41 43
Bernie Sanders: 1
Joe Lieberman: 1
//Or something like that.
/
| 1314 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:24:06pm |
re: #1312 Bagua
Shit man, and here I was waiting for my damn unicorn. I HOPE that the unicorn will be coming soon. Maybe that will CHANGE our fortunes.
| 1315 |
Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:26:27pm |
| 1316 |
Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:26:28pm |
re: #1311 iceweasel
I can't (and don't) disagree with you about the economy, but I also can't see going any longer without some HCR, even the version of it up now-- which is a gift to the insurance companies and big Pharma, no question.
Too many people without insurance. Too many people without coverage, or with inadequate coverage. And that only increases as the economy tanks, because so many are losing jobs and can't afford COBRA. It's a clusterfuck.
And most of all-- way too many bankruptcies because of medical expenses. People are getting the one-two punch-- the economy and then an illness or accident. It's wiping out people who worked hard all their lives--savings, homes, everything they own.
Alternative would be to phase it. Rather than an omnibus HCR bill start with health insurance reform as phase one.
| 1317 |
BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:27:39pm |
re: #1316 Gus 802
Alternative would be to phase it. Rather than an omnibus HCR bill start with health insurance reform as phase one.
Yeah, but I don't think that would work, honestly.
| 1318 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:27:44pm |
re: #1281 TheMatrix31
Laws (health and insurance-related) passed during the middle to late 90s started to put the squeeze on
So after the Republicans took over Congress?
| 1319 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:28:31pm |
re: #1309 Slumbering Behemoth
No, I didn't watch hardly any television in the '90s. I was in my twenties then, so I was too busy drinking hard liquor and hooking up with the ladies.
/In your face, Dark_Falcon!
To each their own. I'm glad you're happy.
| 1320 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:29:40pm |
re: #1315 Bagua
What, I thought you were on my buddy list?
It all love here.
You and LVQ just need to agree to disagree, when the two of you start snipeing at each other in every other comment it ruins the thread. Other than that, no complaints to speak of at this end...
/sneaks away quietly
| 1321 |
Bob Dillon Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:29:40pm |
re: #1290 Gus 802
Dear President Obama:
It's the economy, stupid.
Sincerely,
Gus
I believe that he gets that. What he seems to have a problem with is understanding that small business is the backbone of this nations economy. He's too busy playing footsie with the unions, big business and wall st. to make any meaningful impact where it would really count. Small business is where the pump needs to be primed from.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:29:55pm |
re: #1311 iceweasel
The point being no one is going to give a rats derriere about "big pharma" or Health Care Whatever should the next wave down occur and unemployment go higher.
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:30:06pm |
re: #1301 Slumbering Behemoth
Were these state or federal laws? Which laws were they, specifically? I ask out of genuine curiosity. This is a theme you touch on quite often, and if you would provide more concrete details I think it would go a long way towards helping people understand where you are coming from when you do talk about it.
You and I both know he won't answer that. He was just a kid when it happened and his blame is misplaced; accepting the fact that your own father is a flawed human being that makes mistakes is a really difficult thing to do. It will happen eventually, but it's clear that he's not ready to make that judgment.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:31:17pm |
re: #1319 Dark_Falcon
Ditto that for you, bud. I am glad that you take my good-natured ribbing in the spirit that it is intended. That makes me happy.
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emcesq Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:32:05pm |
re: #1308 cliffster
Not really. Same slowness. Popularity over Chrome!
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:32:20pm |
re: #1317 iceweasel
Yeah, but I don't think that would work, honestly.
I think it could. We need smaller legislation coming out of DC for one. It phases it in and allows it congress to become more focused. The problem with a massive HCR bill is that the people can't afford that particular mandates being called for such as the excise taxes. In other words something that works as a stop gap.
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Bagua Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:32:27pm |
re: #1320 ausador
You and LVQ just need to agree to disagree, when the two of you start snipeing at each other in every other comment it ruins the thread. Other than that, no complaints to speak of at this end...
/sneaks away quietly
Oh him, yeah he seems to have faded away. Sad. But have no fear, I've made a new years resolution not to argue with idiots.
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Gus Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:33:25pm |
re: #1321 Bobibutu
I believe that he gets that. What he seems to have a problem with is understanding that small business is the backbone of this nations economy. He's too busy playing footsie with the unions, big business and wall st. to make any meaningful impact where it would really count. Small business is where the pump needs to be primed from.
Repeat often! This is a truism.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:35:01pm |
re: #1323 idioma
I'm not taking sides on this one, and I don't know whether or not he will answer. But he has referenced this subject many times, and it has finally piqued my curiosity.
If he continues to mention it, I will continue to ask.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:35:24pm |
re: #1301 Slumbering Behemoth
I'll get the exact laws and years for you from my parents. I don't know the names off-hand.
Idioma, fuck you. Stop making disparaging remarks about my father.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:36:39pm |
re: #1325 emcesq
Not really. Same slowness. Popularity over Chrome!
Bah, tried chrome and didn't think much of it, perhaps it is just my machines quirks but it was much worse than firefox and only marginally better than IE. Besides google has taken over enough of the internet, I don't need to give them my browser to keep track of full time too.
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sagehen Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:38:05pm |
re: #1298 LotharBot
It's a legitimate public interest (see #1285) to reduce the number of homeless, starving, ill people. But nobody would suggest solving starvation with thousands of pages of legislation that greatly increased the costs for grocers and consumers, especially not if there was already a byzantine system in place that made food 3 times as expensive as it should be. The right solution would be to bring food costs down while creating (public or private) charities to provide for those who still couldn't afford it. The same is true with health care. Let's have reform, but let's do it right.
You think that because you're the kind of rational conservative that still remains after the months-long flounce-a-thon. That's why you're not in Congress.
Their answer to solving starvation would be to deny it exists, to say the starving must deserve it, and to just say no to every suggested solution (while offering no suggestions of their own) and hope the clock runs out. If enough people starve to death, then *poof!* there's no more starvation.
Meanwhile, the teabaggers will hold rallies where people carry signs depicting Obama as a cannibal, barbecuing your children and carving them up to feed them to Acorn and/or Osama.
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emcesq Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:39:59pm |
re: #1331 ausador
Same here - had to try. No go.
Just stand in line for what is in demand!
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idioma Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:47:17pm |
Thanks for all of the down dings! Way to stay on topic.
Good night.
XOXO
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Jan 19, 2010 11:54:29pm |
re: #1327 Bagua
Oh him, yeah he seems to have faded away. Sad. But have no fear, I've made a new years resolution not to argue with idiots.
He's busy in that place known as the real world.
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palomino Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:08:33am |
re: #283 captdiggs
Spoken just like a Fox News anchor. Wanna make a bet about how red Mass. will be in coming years?
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cenotaphium Wed, Jan 20, 2010 12:15:11am |
re: #977 Bob Levin
Thanks very much for a reply on that issue. I gave up hope there for a while, as the shouting grew louder. I suppose there remains a lot to be seen as to what practical consequences this election will have.
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DC-3 Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:15:44am |
Standing all around the 5% weirdo eccentrics at the tea parties, I always did see a very much larger group of rather ordinary looking folks, silver haired.
And a gray power shift is there in the election stats.
One of Teddy's favorites, "Hands Off Our Social Security" was haunting the booths tonight, but I doubt the dems are heard it very well.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:40:15am |
re: #517 WaveriderCA
Sounds like from the satrt of the thread someones being a little cranky.
She's a lib, and not a moonbat, based on prior excellent comments of hers. And this has been an extremely tough room for libs tonight, with numerous attempts to bait or pile-on liberal posters.
She doesn't deserve the beating she's been taking from people here.
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korla pundit Wed, Jan 20, 2010 9:38:22am |
re: #1075 TampaKnight
Thank GOD! The abortion of the health care bill that is in conference is hopefully dead..
Maybe that's why they say they need a "Plan B" for health care....
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Bob Levin Wed, Jan 20, 2010 11:54:14am |
re: #1341 cenotaphium
You're welcome. Practically speaking, the Three Stooges have entered Congress, expect food fights to follow. The Obama administration, as can be expected, will double down and fight harder for the health care bill as is written. But all of those Congress folk who come up for reelection will not be so eager to go along with it. As we read this, the group involved in the conference committee are getting emails, their Blackberrys won't stop, elected officials not directly involved in conference may even stoop so low as to use interoffice memos telling them to slow down, change this, change that.
World leaders, as a rule, aren't leaders, but followers. They seek status and prestige while knowing they aren't that good looking. Washington, as they say, is Hollywood for the unattractive.
So the Democrats are going to jump off of the President's coattails, and it's everyone for themselves. The overriding message, fix the economy--and no coattails. No super majority. All ideas are in play.
And the Obama administration will be open to this because if anything doesn't work, they can always blame the Republicans. That was one cause of the defeat last night, there was no one to blame. Blaming President Bush just wasn't flying anymore.
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Stormy Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:17:15pm |
re: #1002 sagehenAnd I don't want to hear one single word of complaint, or accusations of stalling, from anybody who thought it was cool how Norm Coleman dragged out his court challenges...
Let's not forget that in the Minnesota race Coleman was originally leading by 215 votes: MN SecState report - see page 20 for the totals. Can anyone really blame the guy for wanting to fight it out?
Dragging your feet when the guy won by five points and the other side conceded is a significantly different scenario.
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