Desert Road

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1 Unakite  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:52:34pm

Way cool.

2 freetoken  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:54:56pm
3 laZardo  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:55:29pm
4 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:58:12pm

Good night, dear lizards.
And a hearty Hasta Manana to you!
Sleep tight & deeply.

5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:58:24pm

"We have deserts in America! We just don't live there!"
-Sam Kinison

6 Mich-again  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:02:20pm

An exit lane on a "desert" road. I get it.

7 BruceKelly  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:02:23pm

re: #5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"We have deserts in America! We just don't live there!"
-Sam Kinison

We've moved to where the food is...

8 Irenicum  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:03:01pm

Beautiful pic. Nice way to end a week.

9 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:03:39pm

Nice colors in a very good photo.

10 laZardo  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:05:55pm

Speaking of photography...

Iron Flock

11 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:06:43pm

re: #10 laZardo

Speaking of photography...

Iron Flock

Oil wells?

12 Mich-again  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:06:58pm

I never understood the reason for a Caution Falling Rocks sign. Whats the point? If you can read the sign the rocks missed your car.

13 Gus  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:07:41pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

Oil wells?

Ship cranes.

14 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:08:27pm

re: #12 Mich-again

I never understood the reason for a Caution Falling Rocks sign. Whats the point? If you can read the sign the rocks missed your car.

And how about those "Deaf Child" signs in the suburbs? Honking won't help them.

15 BruceKelly  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:08:29pm

re: #12 Mich-again

I never understood the reason for a Caution Falling Rocks sign. Whats the point? If you can read the sign the rocks missed your car.

...or those deer crossing signs, deer can't read.

16 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:08:37pm

re: #13 Gus 802

Ship cranes.

Thank you.

17 Bagua  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:08:48pm

Look Down The Road


- Skip James
18 BruceKelly  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:09:54pm

re: #10 laZardo

Speaking of photography...

Iron Flock

Nice pic, good title to.

19 Gus  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:10:24pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

Thank you.

YW Used to see them in the Bay Area.

20 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:12:26pm

re: #17 Bagua

Skip James in a great film, based on a great graphic novel:

21 Mich-again  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:13:18pm

re: #15 BruceKelly

...or those deer crossing signs, deer can't read.


And they always put no U-turn signs right where they know people are going to need to make a U-turn.

22 BruceKelly  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:14:18pm

The MANtage

My favorite lines -
"There's Luke laughin' at somebody different!"
"There's Joe wrestling a bear at night!"
"There's Luke not tippin' on account of poor service!"

23 Gus  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:18:52pm

Herman the German Giant

Now that's a big rabbit.

24 Unakite  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:21:16pm

re: #23 Gus 802

Herman the German Giant

Now that's a big rabbit.

Holy f*ck. That's a lot of hasenpfeffer!

25 BruceKelly  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:23:32pm

re: #23 Gus 802

Geez! That's nuts.

26 Bagua  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:23:50pm

re: #20 Mad Al-Jaffee

Very cool, thanks. I'll need to see that flic now.

I also have the song that preceded it in my library, but I can't recall the name at the moment.

27 Gus  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:24:48pm

re: #24 Unakite

Holy f*ck. That's a lot of hasenpfeffer!

The breeder, Karl Szmolinsky, was approached by North Korea just for that.

28 Boogberg  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:26:07pm

Good news! My niece has agreed to take guitar lessons. I'll get her all the cool guitar stuff she wants if she shows me some progress. I'm very excited about this. :)

29 Buck  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:26:11pm

re: #23 Gus 802

Herman the German Giant

Now that's a big rabbit.

Mine is bigger!

30 Unakite  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:26:54pm

re: #27 Gus 802

The breeder, Karl Szmolinsky, was approached by North Korea just for that.

Heh, that's funny. Is there an article that says how big that thing actually is?

31 Gus  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:27:34pm

re: #30 Unakite

Heh, that's funny. Is there an article that says how big that thing actually is?

10 kg

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Another said about 22 pounds.

32 Unakite  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:28:13pm

re: #29 Buck

Mine is bigger!

Looks like he kidnapped the Easter Bunny.

33 Gus  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:30:30pm

re: #32 Unakite

Looks like he kidnapped the Easter Bunny.

It's got big teeth!

/

34 Gus  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:31:42pm

This one is 49 lbs.

[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

35 Unakite  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:37:54pm

re: #33 Gus 802

It's got big teeth!

/

"Though shalt not count to three..."

36 Mich-again  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:38:35pm

re: #34 Gus 802

I like the story about how that gentleman sent some prized breeding stock of the giant bunnies to the Norcs to help them get started breeding them for food and the Norcs promptly ate the breeding pair. Pissed that old guy off bad. Funny story.

37 Gus  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:39:41pm

re: #35 Unakite

"Though shalt not count to three..."

"We have the Holy Hand Grenade from Antiok!"

38 Unakite  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:39:59pm

re: #34 Gus 802

This one is 49 lbs.

[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

No, according to the story it ways as much as 104 Big Macs. :)

39 BruceKelly  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:40:33pm

re: #37 Gus 802

"We have the Holy Hand Grenade from Antiok!"


[Video]

Run Away! Run Away!

40 Gus  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:40:40pm

re: #36 Mich-again

I like the story about how that gentleman sent some prized breeding stock of the giant bunnies to the Norcs to help them get started breeding them for food and the Norcs promptly ate the breeding pair. Pissed that old guy off bad. Funny story.

Yeah. Apparently he's from the "former East" Germany.

41 Mich-again  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:41:01pm
42 Unakite  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:41:36pm

re: #37 Gus 802

"We have the Holy Hand Grenade from Antiok!"


[Video]

Still a classic.

43 BruceKelly  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:42:40pm

re: #36 Mich-again

I like the story about how that gentleman sent some prized breeding stock of the giant bunnies to the Norcs to help them get started breeding them for food and the Norcs promptly ate the breeding pair. Pissed that old guy off bad. Funny story.

It's no wonder they're starving.

44 Bagua  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:43:00pm

re: #20 Mad Al-Jaffee

And here it is, the song preceding Skip James on that video you posted:

Let's Go Riding


- Freddie Spruell
45 Mich-again  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:44:55pm

re: #43 BruceKelly

Or maybe the bunnies were eating the Norcs out of house and home..

It had been unclear from the start how Szmolinsky's bunnies would help given their own voracious appetite for top-quality vegetables.

Why not just feed the people the carrots and skip the bunny?

46 BruceKelly  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:46:13pm

re: #45 Mich-again

Or maybe the bunnies were eating the Norcs out of house and home..

Why not just feed the people the carrots and skip the bunny?

Good point.

47 Gus  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:46:25pm

re: #45 Mich-again

Or maybe the bunnies were eating the Norcs out of house and home..

Why not just feed the people the carrots and skip the bunny?

I think those rabbits are big enough to eat the Norks.

//

48 Mich-again  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:48:04pm

re: #44 Bagua

Skip James

Just a few minutes ago I dug up a clip of the Charlie Murphy on Rick James skit from the Chapelle show. Now thats some funny s* there.

49 Gus  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:50:01pm

Right about now a faithful New York Times reader just happened by and is now thinking, "oh my, those people at Little Green Footballs are suggesting we send giant rabbits to North Korea to consume the people of North Korea!"

//

50 Unakite  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:51:15pm

Alright, it's officially late here and the little guy is asleep on the couch (I'm teaching him early). Nite all.

51 Mich-again  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:51:47pm

re: #49 Gus 802

a faithful New York Times reader

Do you believe there is an Easter Bunny too?
/

52 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:52:37pm

re: #49 Gus 802

Right about now a faithful New York Times reader just happened by and is now thinking, "oh my, those people at Little Green Footballs are suggesting we send giant rabbits to North Korea to consume the people of North Korea!"

//

LOL! And good night, I've got an fairly early train to catch.

53 Bagua  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:53:12pm

re: #48 Mich-again

Link please :-)


BBL

54 laZardo  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:54:16pm

Elsewhere on der Spiegel...

The host of the 1936 Winter Olympics wants to co-host the 2018 Winter Olympics with Munich.

55 laZardo  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:54:46pm

re: #49 Gus 802

Right about now a faithful New York Times reader just happened by and is now thinking, "oh my, those people at Little Green Footballs are suggesting we send giant rabbits to North Korea to consume the people of North Korea!"

//

They'll have to get past the kung-fu fightin' squirrels.

56 BruceKelly  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:55:51pm

I've got to hit the rack too. I need to get up early and do all the stuff I didn't do because I've been hanging out here all night.

Later-

57 Mich-again  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:58:00pm

re: #53 Bagua
Here it is. Enjoy.

I'm Rick James b*tch.
58 laZardo  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 10:58:43pm

re: #48 Mich-again

Just a few minutes ago I dug up a clip of the Charlie Murphy on Rick James skit from the Chapelle show. Now thats some funny s* there.

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

59 Gus  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:06:06pm

Good night.

60 laZardo  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:07:34pm

re: #59 Gus 802

Good night.

Cheers.

61 BruceKelly  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:11:56pm

Here's a link to Radioreference.com. You can listen to live police, fire, and EMS scanners anywhere in the USA.

Whenever there's a breaking news story I like to listen in...

[Link: www.radioreference.com...]

62 windsagio  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:12:37pm

Ike may be a bad man, but He sure can play.

(Jump to 3:40 for a really incredible piano solo by the one and only Ike Turner)

63 Bagua  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:19:35pm

Miracle!

10 days after quake, Israeli rescuers pulled a 22-year old man from the ruins of a three-story building.


Maj. Zohar Moshe said American and French doctors asked for the Israeli team's assistance after trying to rescue the trapped man themselves.

The rescuers "were able to release him whole and healthy" and take him to an IDF field hospital in stable condition for further treatment," he said.

64 suboptimal  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:27:11pm

It's dead

65 suboptimal  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:37:45pm

I pound my head against the table
For as long as I am able
For I've got nowhere to go
And the blood leaves trails as it flows

Yes I'm going for concussion
And it's not up for discussion
As my head slams down once more
Now I'm laying on the floor

66 BruceKelly  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:41:34pm

re: #65 suboptimal

He's dead

67 suboptimal  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:42:26pm

re: #66 BruceKelly
That would explain it, then

68 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Jan 22, 2010 11:57:25pm

Mr. Johnson, have you seen Colbert's take on how Republican pundits "analyze" Obama's first year? It's not only hilarious, it also goes nicely with the general line some of us lizards have towards conservative punditry, IMHO.

I think it's link-worthy material.
[Link: www.colbertnation.com...] (It's one of the first videos around the site, couldn't find a direct link, sorry).

69 Bagua  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:08:29am

re: #57 Mich-again

Here it is. Enjoy.

That was massively funny. You have my gratitude!

70 Soap_Man  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:08:54am

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

LOL! And good night, I've got an fairly early train to catch.

Damn, I missed DF. I had all sorts of shit to tell him about the Illinois governor's race.

Oh well, how is everyone this lovely evening?

71 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:28:26am

I'm watching Basketball this morning...I love it when they go to the sidelines/huddle during the timeout and the coach is yelling we got the play better defensively..
Dear NBA owners..Hire me for 5 million a year..I'll not only yell we got to play better but I'll actually tell my players HOW to play better...
/I missed my calling

72 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:49:46am
73 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:51:42am

re: #72 Boogberg

Is that a Sequential Circuits Prophet V I see on the right?

:D

That's some cool geeky shit right there...

74 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:52:51am

I was here an hour and a half ago and 3 more comments? Coffee, stat!!!

75 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:03:11am

re: #73 HoosierHoops

Yeah and if you notice, all that stuff fits in one small keyboard now. I still love the old school goodies though. Did you know you can still buy a rotary-dial phone if you want one? Love that old stuff. :D

76 Bagua  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:09:43am

In contrast to the story I linked to above about the miraculous rescue the Israeli team in Haiti performed...

Here is what the vile New York Times thought was important to include in their article titled: For Israelis, Mixed Feelings on Aid Effort

The left has complained that there is no reason to travel thousands of miles to help those in need — Gaza is an hour away.

and we even hear from the egregious Larry Derfner and Akiva Eldar.

But on the same page, another commentator, Larry Derfner, argued that while Israel’s field hospital in Haiti is a reflection of something deep in the nation’s character, “so is everything that’s summed up in the name of ‘Gaza.’ ” He wrote: “It’s the Haiti side of Israel that makes the Gaza side so inexpressibly tragic. And more and more, the Haiti part of the national character has been dwarfed by the Gaza part.”

Early in the week, Akiva Eldar, a leftist commentator and reporter with the newspaper Haaretz, made a similar point: “The remarkable identification with the victims of the terrible tragedy in distant Haiti only underscores the indifference to the ongoing suffering of the people of Gaza.”

This while volunteer Israeli rescue teams are risking their lives under horrific conditions to save lives. The New York Times keeps one focused on Israel's alleged sins. Disgusting.

I note on the thread about the trashy tabloid piece on Charles people were defending the New York Slimes as "the newspaper of record" and denying that it was vile and anti-Israel.

77 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:13:17am

I heard that the IDF had doctors on the ground in Haiti first. That's pretty damned cool.

78 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:17:43am

re: #77 Boogberg

I heard that the IDF had doctors on the ground in Haiti first. That's pretty damned cool.

How did they get there first? They are on the other side of the world..
God Bless Israel...

79 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:17:43am

re: #76 Bagua

I recieved a sales call one night from the NYT trying to sell me the paper. I told the kid on the phone, young kid probably just trying to make a buck, that if that paper hit my driveway I would take said paper, fly to NYC, set the paper on fire and throw it through a window. He said, "so that's a no?" And for the record, he knew I was kidding.

80 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:21:09am

re: #79 Cannadian Club Akbar

I recieved a sales call one night from the NYT trying to sell me the paper. I told the kid on the phone, young kid probably just trying to make a buck, that if that paper hit my driveway I would take said paper, fly to NYC, set the paper on fire and throw it through a window. He said, "so that's a no?" And for the record, he knew I was kidding.

LOL

81 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:23:46am

re: #78 HoosierHoops

Indeed. Why would they use their superior technology for things like that? Must be a propaganda thing.

82 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:31:16am

re: #81 Boogberg

Indeed. Why would they use their superior technology for things like that? Must be a propaganda thing.

Why? I know a few things..just a few
The Center of a Jewish heart is love...I know where they are coming from...
I have always..And will for all time love the Jews...Good people with a heart of Gold...

83 Bagua  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:37:27am

1-18-10

Praise for Israeli mission in Haiti: 'Only ones operating'

Israeli field hospital earns accolades as only aid mission able to do complex surgery in devastated country. CNN reports other missions transfer patients to Israeli base. ABC reports on young woman giving birth there

The valiant work of Israel's rescue mission to Haiti has been widely covered in the Israeli press. Now it has earned praise from a surprising source: On Monday, US media broadcast items praising the assistance provided by Israel, and one reporter even sent a letter of thanks to Israeli representatives in New York.

You see, it is 'surprising' that these MSM outlets are praising Israel.

CNN reported that Israel is the only state so far to have sent a field hospital equipped with all that is required for surgical operations. Doctors from various missions send patients requiring surgery to Israel's makeshift hospital, particularly those whose condition is critical, the news network said.

According to the report, other field hospitals contain no more than stretcher beds and medical teams who administer first aid, and they are not prepared for complex surgery


So Israel is what, 10,500 kilometres away and Haiti is a short hop away from the worlds largest super power and Israel has the only surgical field hospital operating at the time?

More than 100 injured patients require surgery, but are unable to get it anywhere except at the Israeli field hospital in Port-au-Prince. The doctors are unable to meet the demand, and meanwhile the patients lie in tents, administered with painkillers, and cry for help. "They'll die within 24 hours if they don't get operated on," a reporter said.

Criticism against the US mission was voiced in the ABC item. The US, it said, had sent staff for a field hospital, but they had still not received the instruments required for surgery. The equipment was supposed to arrive by the weekend, but will get there only Monday night, it seems. Only then will the US be able to set up its field hospital.

Little Israel the size of New Jersey with a population less than Haiti had the first working surgical field hospital working. Amazing.

Light unto the nations indeed.

84 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:44:43am

This dead UN worker is the twin brother of Gregory Grene, singer and lyricist
of the Prodigals. He will be buried in Belturbet.

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]


from Belturbet Churchyard, by Gregory:

Belturbet churchyard, stand you still,
The night-dewed grass and mossy stone,
The sleeping beast and the silent bird,
The seen unseen, and the known unknown.

Night's soft closing in, and dawn
Exuberantly bursting day.
The living moss on the Cavan stone,
The sod beneath and the clouds above,
“Vale atque ave!” sing,
Cry farewell, and hail, Love.

85 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:45:00am

"So Israel is what, 10,500 kilometres away and Haiti is a short hop away from the worlds largest super power..."

Did you just take a shot at the US?

86 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:48:52am

re: #83 Bagua

Little Israel the size of New Jersey with a population less than Haiti had the first working surgical field hospital working. Amazing.

Light unto the nations indeed.

God Bless Israel...
A small nation. She stands tall in times of despair and need.
She who has lost so much blood..Runs first to those in need..
God Bless Israel

87 srb1976  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:49:40am

Morning everyone!

88 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:51:11am

re: #87 srb1976

Morning everyone!

Good Morning! Hope you are well...
It's still cold here..bbbrrr

89 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:53:10am

re: #87 srb1976

Morning everyone!

Morning. Coffee ready yet?

90 srb1976  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:54:41am

re: #88 HoosierHoops

Good Morning! Hope you are well...
It's still cold here..bbbrrr

Good to see ya Hoops...it was really cold here for about a week, but apparently our week of winter is over...last week 12 degrees, this week, 65. Crazy!
Hope you are doing well!

91 Bagua  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:54:49am

re: #85 Boogberg

"So Israel is what, 10,500 kilometres away and Haiti is a short hop away from the worlds largest super power..."

Did you just take a shot at the US?

The facts took that shot for me. America is making a sterling effort and deploying a lot of aid. But they were obviously slow off the mark compared to Israel which is about 14 hours airtime away.

92 srb1976  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:55:50am

re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning. Coffee ready yet?

Oh Yeah...world's slowest coffee maker was in high gear this morning!

93 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:58:30am

re: #92 srb1976

Oh Yeah...world's slowest coffee maker was in high gear this morning!

Are you the slowest coffee maker or is the coffee maker the slowest coffee maker?
//

94 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:58:31am

re: #90 srb1976

Good to see ya Hoops...it was really cold here for about a week, but apparently our week of winter is over...last week 12 degrees, this week, 65. Crazy!
Hope you are doing well!

Always nice seeing you..
Normally during the summer at 5:55am every Saturday morning I'm getting ready to swim laps with little Winston in his boat floating around...Then I post here from the deck working on my Tan..Winter sucks in Indiana...
/

95 srb1976  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:02:20am

re: #94 HoosierHoops

Yeah, I remember Nebraska winters, and while I miss the snow a bit (for the kids' sake mostly) I do not miss the sub-zero windchills and months of freezing weather.
Not much of an issue in Alabama though...

96 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:05:45am

re: #95 srb1976

Yeah, I remember Nebraska winters, and while I miss the snow a bit (for the kids' sake mostly) I do not miss the sub-zero windchills and months of freezing weather.
Not much of an issue in Alabama though...

I've never really been down south...Never been to Florida or any where down south except Nashville.. That place rocks...
Sweet home Alabama!

97 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:07:31am

re: #29 Buck

Mine is bigger!

Big, bigger, biggest:

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98 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:09:13am

Sorry, link doesn't seem to be appearing. Second try for wabbit pic:

[IMG][Link: i4.photobucket.com...]

99 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:09:46am

re: #98 ryannon

Sorry, link doesn't seem to be appearing. Second try for wabbit pic:

[IMG][Link: i4.photobucket.com...]

Holy Cow!

100 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:11:44am

re: #99 HoosierHoops

Holy Cow!

Can you see it?

101 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:13:48am

There is nothing more fun on a cold Saturday morning than watching great movies..
Watching Al Pacino on the big screen saying..
Vanity..It's my favorite sin...
And that big crazy smile...It doesn't get any better

102 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:15:02am

re: #100 ryannon

Can you see it?

That huge Rabbit would eat my dog...That's crazy

103 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:17:01am

Enormous killer rabbit:

Image: monsterrabbitgx7.jpg

104 srb1976  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:19:13am

I am sometimes not very smart before coffee...supposed to leave for work in 15 minutes, but my longjohns are still in the dryer...missed them when I put the rest of my work clothes in this morning...damn!

105 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:19:34am

re: #103 ryannon

Yes, it's photoshopped of course.

106 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:20:37am

re: #104 srb1976

I am sometimes not very smart before coffee...supposed to leave for work in 15 minutes, but my longjohns are still in the dryer...missed them when I put the rest of my work clothes in this morning...damn!

Have a great day!

107 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:20:49am

re: #105 ryannon

Yes, it's photoshopped of course.

I've seen the same pic/kid with a monster boar.

108 srb1976  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:21:53am

re: #106 HoosierHoops

Have a great day!

Thanks...just waiting for the dryer now...

109 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:22:54am

re: #107 Cannadian Club Akbar

I've seen the same pic/kid with a monster boar.

That's how it all startet a few years back. No one was sure that the boar wasn't photoshopped either. I can't remember what the final verdict was, but the rabbit was the best thing to come out of the story...

110 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:24:03am

re: #109 ryannon

That's how it all startet a few years back. No one was sure that the boar wasn't photoshopped either. I can't remember what the final verdict was, but the rabbit was the best thing to come out of the story...

Somebody photoshop the Hoopster with the Gaza Rooster...

111 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:27:02am

re: #110 HoosierHoops

Somebody photoshop the Hoopster with the Gaza Rooster...

Sort of like this?

Image: huge.jpg

112 srb1976  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:27:06am

re: #109 ryannon

That's how it all startet a few years back. No one was sure that the boar wasn't photoshopped either. I can't remember what the final verdict was, but the rabbit was the best thing to come out of the story...

Boy and boar were not a photoshop...although some doubt on whether boy shot boar...Boar turned out to be former pet given to a farmer, who sold it to someone who put it on some "staged hunt" type farm...If I remember correctly...not sure I do

113 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:27:59am

re: #111 ryannon

Sort of like this?

[Link: www.visualjokes.com...]

sweet

114 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:29:51am

re: #112 srb1976

Boy and boar were not a photoshop...although some doubt on whether boy shot boar...Boar turned out to be former pet given to a farmer, who sold it to someone who put it on some "staged hunt" type farm...If I remember correctly...not sure I do

Yes, I remember the same story. The poor boar was in a kind of fish-in-a-barrel situation, I believe. A lot of people down there were upset by the conditions of the kill - or that it was killed in the first place.

115 MagnaniomousCoward  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:33:30am

Scientology reverend, super-human OT VII, and businessman kills mundane father of four over money for Scientology?

Scientology "reverend" Rex Fowler has been charged with first degree murder after killing a non-Scientologist employee who left his WISE company after a disagreement with the way the company was being run - specifically pressuring employees to become Scientologists, and giving so much of company funds to the cult that the company was weakened. Wife also trying to keep evidence from the police: "Even if you looked at it, and read it, you would not understand anything in it. Because it is way above a normal person and you would not know what it meant. I want it back right now."

Digg link: OT VII Scientology minister charged with murder
LGF link discussion: OT VII Scientology minister charged with murder of unbelieving employee
Denver Post article: Adams County software-firm owner charged in killing of ex-business partner

116 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:33:58am

Oh Lawdy..Watching Company man.. It has Woody Allen in it
Company man
2 stars (2000) A CIA agent (Douglas McGrath) Recounts his misadventures for 2 Senators. (Comedy)
For a comedy..It's not that funny

117 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:40:21am

re: #115 MagnaniomousCoward

Scientology has been running some very powerful ads where I am. I'm not a fan at all but someone here pointed out that in this bad economic times, people arer looking for anything. And FWIW, their HQ is about a hour from me.:(

118 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:40:30am

re: #104 srb1976

I am sometimes not very smart before coffee...supposed to leave for work in 15 minutes, but my longjohns are still in the dryer...missed them when I put the rest of my work clothes in this morning...damn!

I had a girlefriend, a native of Phoenix, who said she hated winter because sometimes when she hung her jeans out to dry overnight in January, they would not be completely dry by morning.

She used to sleep under five blankets and three sleeping bags with the waterbed heater turned up to 90 degrees.

But she was sonsistent: I once saw her bicycle to work in 118° heat wearing long sleeves and long corduroy trousers.

119 srb1976  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:47:07am

Ok...running late, but with dry pants (Yay)...later folks!

120 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:49:50am

re: #118 ralphieboy

I had a girlefriend, a native of Phoenix, who said she hated winter because sometimes when she hung her jeans out to dry overnight in January, they would not be completely dry by morning.

She used to sleep under five blankets and three sleeping bags with the waterbed heater turned up to 90 degrees.

But she was sonsistent: I once saw her bicycle to work in 118° heat wearing long sleeves and long corduroy trousers.

LOL Where do you go from there? A girlfriend that bicycles to work Naked in a 120 degree Temps?
*wink*

121 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:52:04am

re: #115 MagnaniomousCoward

Scientology is a dangerous cult. That's really all anyone needs to know about it.

Allegations of harassment and murder within it's ranks go back decades. This story, sad as it is, isn't at all surprising.

122 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:53:32am

re: #121 SixDegrees

Scientology is a dangerous cult. That's really all anyone needs to know about it.

Allegations of harassment and murder within it's ranks go back decades. This story, sad as it is, isn't at all surprising.

A couple scientologist were brought up on murder charges down here. I think they were found not guilty.

123 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:59:19am

re: #122 Cannadian Club Akbar

A couple scientologist were brought up on murder charges down here. I think they were found not guilty.

[Link: www.lisamcpherson.org...]

124 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:06:38am

re: #91 Bagua

The facts took that shot for me. America is making a sterling effort and deploying a lot of aid. But they were obviously slow off the mark compared to Israel which is about 14 hours airtime away.

Uh - the US Marines were on the runway in Haiti just a few hours after the earthquake, and were responsible for setting up ATC using their own equipment, making it possible for other aid to use the facility. Prior to that, the control tower had been disabled by the quake, rendering the runway itself next to useless.

They also set up field hospitals the day after the quake - and unlike those staffed by UN medical teams, the US provided security and didn't order their staff to retreat when gunfire was heard in the distance.

The hospital ship Comfort was unprovisioned, but the Navy activated it on their own initiative, again just hours after the quake, and ordered it deployed with all speed. It normally takes five days to bring it online; I believe they sailed in three, and continued activation en route.

I can go on and on and on. US military response was enormous and rapid, and saved untold thousands of lives.

Take your hostility toward the US and shove it, deep and hard. It's now gotten so bad that you can't even view reality objectively, if that was possible for you in the first place. Better yet, drag your sorry ass away from your keyboard and haul it down to Haiti, where you can show us how much better you can do this job than those you're whining and carping about.

Meanwhile, unlike armchair critics seething in do-nothing sloth and rage, Haitians seem to be somewhat less than pissed off at US response.

But maybe next time there's a disaster of this sort, we ought to just withhold help, given that it upsets you so much and is obviously a waste of time, while simultaneously never, ever being enough to satisfy you.

125 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:13:08am

re: #122 Cannadian Club Akbar

A couple scientologist were brought up on murder charges down here. I think they were found not guilty.

I've been reading similar stories for more than 30 years. Cult headquarters has a lot of money that they deploy in defense of their own. They are also the most litigious cult on earth as well, bringing suit against any and all who publicly criticize them, simply as a means of intimidation.

Several threats and murders have been perpetrated against those few who have successfully left the group - if you can call being harassed and threatened "success." Often, these folks die rather suddenly just prior to testimony or publication that would prove embarrassing to the organization.

There's a RICO Act goldmine in there for anyone who's interested in pursuing the matter.

126 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:19:02am

re: #124 SixDegrees

my attitude from the get-go has been simply to get in with as much aid as is possible, dig the people out of the rubble, provide first aid, re-establish basic services and restore the basic infrastructure.

Then we can sit down and discuss who could have done what better and why. Until then, this sort of background noise is really grating.

127 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:21:19am

re: #125 SixDegrees

My writing teacher is a Scientologist. The last time I took his class he diverted from the subject at hand and went on about the CIA kidnapping homeless people and experimenting on them, blah, blah, blah.

128 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:26:14am

re: #126 ralphieboy

my attitude from the get-go has been simply to get in with as much aid as is possible, dig the people out of the rubble, provide first aid, re-establish basic services and restore the basic infrastructure.

Then we can sit down and discuss who could have done what better and why. Until then, this sort of background noise is really grating.

Exactly.

129 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:29:59am

re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar

My writing teacher is a Scientologist. The last time I took his class he diverted from the subject at hand and went on about the CIA kidnapping homeless people and experimenting on them, blah, blah, blah.

If it's taking up more than a few minutes of class time, once or twice, I'd complain about it. I don't mind the occasional personal anecdote, but if he's straying into Tinfoil Hat Land on a regular basis, he's not doing his job.

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:37:26am

re: #129 SixDegrees

If it's taking up more than a few minutes of class time, once or twice, I'd complain about it. I don't mind the occasional personal anecdote, but if he's straying into Tinfoil Hat Land on a regular basis, he's not doing his job.

He did give a hand out that had the different steps of Scientology, but I found it very useful. But you're right. I didn't fly to NYC, get a hotel for 3 days, plus other expenses to be lectured into becoming a cult member. Others did complain.

131 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:41:45am

Morning Lizards.

Brewing an American Wheat, the last of the 3 home brews for the Super Bowl party at my place. Previously brewed, Black IPA and Holiday Ale.

132 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:44:15am

re: #131 rwdflynavy

Morning Lizards.

Brewing an American Wheat, the last of the 3 home brews for the Super Bowl party at my place. Previously brewed, Black IPA and Holiday Ale.

Mmm...wheat beer.

133 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:46:53am

re: #131 rwdflynavy

Morning. You gonna have anything to do with the Tampa Air Show? Just wondering.

134 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:53:11am

re: #133 Cannadian Club Akbar

Unfortunately, No.

Morning. You gonna have anything to do with the Tampa Air Show? Just wondering.

135 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:58:54am

re: #23 Gus 802

Herman the German Giant

Now that's a big rabbit.

One of those feet would bring a LOT of luck.

136 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:59:37am

re: #135 MandyManners

One of those feet would bring a LOT of luck.

Not for the rabbit.

137 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:03:51am

The Obama administration has decided to continue to imprison without trials nearly 50 detainees at the Guantánamo Bay military prison in Cuba because a high-level task force has concluded that they are too difficult to prosecute but too dangerous to release, an administration official said on Thursday.

However, the administration has decided that nearly 40 other detainees should be prosecuted for terrorism or related war crimes. And the remaining prisoners, about 110 men, should be repatriated or transferred to other countries for possible release, the official said, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about the numbers.

SNIP

138 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:05:30am

re: #136 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not for the rabbit.

Kill the rabbit, kill the rabbit!

139 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:10:43am

re: #29 Buck

Mine is bigger!

Gee, just like a guy to whip out a ruler.

140 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:11:47am

re: #103 ryannon

Enormous killer rabbit:

[Link: img503.imageshack.us...]


Gotta' be photoshop.

141 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:14:19am

re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had a Christian math teacher at the junior college who was pretty cool. He made some pamphlets available on the first day but didn't push it. You would think all math experts would be atheists but they're not. Strange.

142 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:18:12am

re: #141 Boogberg

I had a Christian math teacher at the junior college who was pretty cool. He made some pamphlets available on the first day but didn't push it. You would think all math experts would be atheists but they're not. Strange.

See, I would think many medical doctors would be. And biologist.

143 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:20:20am

re: #137 MandyManners

So, Gitmo's not going to be closed, and the 50 or so who remain there will continue to be detained indefinitely without any sort of trial or habeus corpus.

That'll make for an interesting section in the upcoming SOTU address.

144 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:21:09am

re: #143 SixDegrees

So, Gitmo's not going to be closed, and the 50 or so who remain there will continue to be detained indefinitely without any sort of trial or habeus corpus.

That'll make for an interesting section in the upcoming SOTU address.

He won't bring it up.

145 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:21:52am

"...You would think lefties could discern a proletarian vanguard when they see one..."
[Link: www.sj-r.com...]

146 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:22:39am

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

He won't bring it up.

I wonder how long it'll be before Cindy Sheehan starts camping outside his Hawaiian retreat?

147 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:22:46am

re: #143 SixDegrees

So, Gitmo's not going to be closed, and the 50 or so who remain there will continue to be detained indefinitely without any sort of trial or habeus corpus.

That'll make for an interesting section in the upcoming SOTU address.

He'll find a way to blame Pres. Bush.

148 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:23:38am

Another thing about the SOTU is all the newbie lizards get to be a part of one of the best times here at LGF. Hope they are warming up their fingers.

149 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:24:48am

re: #145 Taqyia2Me

"...You would think lefties could discern a proletarian vanguard when they see one..."
[Link: www.sj-r.com...]

The antipathy to George W. Bush is so enduring and powerful that ... it just elected a Republican senator in Massachusetts? Why, the man is omnipotent.

*snicker*

150 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:25:29am

re: #148 Cannadian Club Akbar

Another thing about the SOTU is all the newbie lizards get to be a part of one of the best times here at LGF. Hope they are warming up their fingers.

The Progs. will slam the critics.

151 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:26:30am

I'm fixing to head out for work in five minutes. But...

This Tue. night... rerun of the LOST Season Five Finale... "The Incident" and then, Tue. Feb. 2nd 3 hours of the LOST, one hour recap and then the 2 hour Season Six opener "LA X."

There there or be square.

152 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:27:31am

re: #150 MandyManners

The Progs. will slam the critics.

I just mean the speech. I love Presidential speeches. Trying to keep up is so fun. Knock out about 1200 comments in 45 minutes. They have no idea.

153 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:28:30am

By the way, I was looking at the "Onion-LOST video" and noticed Lizards were looking for me... yes I saw the video about 4 days ago... thanks for the concern.

154 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:28:51am

To work...

155 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:29:24am

re: #147 MandyManners

He'll find a way to blame Pres. Bush.

Looks like he's laying the groundwork to blame The Banks for the nation's ongoing economic doldrums. He spent most of his time in Ohio and Pennsylvania trying to whip up populist anger over them, without bothering to offer any actual solutions to any of the problems he enumerated.

"I know times are tough. But it's the banker's fault, and we need to...punish the banks!"

It's the same thing he tried with Wall Street as villain last year. I'm not sure it will work a second time, but it appears to be the skid he's greasing.

156 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:30:12am

re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yeah and we're talking about very logical and rational trains of thought here. A belief in a deity seems a little out of place in the scientific community. Maybe it's a combination of upbringing and weekly sessions.

157 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:32:43am

re: #155 SixDegrees

Looks like he's laying the groundwork to blame The Banks for the nation's ongoing economic doldrums. He spent most of his time in Ohio and Pennsylvania trying to whip up populist anger over them, without bothering to offer any actual solutions to any of the problems he enumerated.

"I know times are tough. But it's the banker's fault, and we need to...punish the banks!"

It's the same thing he tried with Wall Street as villain last year. I'm not sure it will work a second time, but it appears to be the skid he's greasing.

Hell, he did it to explain Brown's win.

158 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:33:19am

re: #156 Boogberg

Yeah and we're talking about very logical and rational trains of thought here. A belief in a deity seems a little out of place in the scientific community. Maybe it's a combination of upbringing and weekly sessions.

Or humility.

159 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:33:40am

re: #156 Boogberg

Yeah and we're talking about very logical and rational trains of thought here. A belief in a deity seems a little out of place in the scientific community. Maybe it's a combination of upbringing and weekly sessions.

Not necessarily. It is possible to have faith in things unseen while studying the physical world. Faith and science are not mutually exclusive.

160 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:34:13am

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

I'm fixing to head out for work in five minutes. But...

This Tue. night... rerun of the LOST Season Five Finale... "The Incident" and then, Tue. Feb. 2nd 3 hours of the LOST, one hour recap and then the 2 hour Season Six opener "LA X."

There there or be square.

Woo Hoo!

One more season of maddening fun.

I thought the Onion video was funny as hell.

161 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:34:31am

re: #155 SixDegrees

Looks like he's laying the groundwork to blame The Banks for the nation's ongoing economic doldrums. He spent most of his time in Ohio and Pennsylvania trying to whip up populist anger over them, without bothering to offer any actual solutions to any of the problems he enumerated.

"I know times are tough. But it's the banker's fault, and we need to...punish the banks!"

It's the same thing he tried with Wall Street as villain last year. I'm not sure it will work a second time, but it appears to be the skid he's greasing.

The Dow loved that.
/

162 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:35:30am

re: #145 Taqyia2Me

"...You would think lefties could discern a proletarian vanguard when they see one..."
[Link: www.sj-r.com...]

The reason both wings of American liberalism — congressional and mainstream media — were so surprised at the force of anti-Democratic sentiment is that they’d spent Obama’s first year either ignoring or disdaining the clear early signs of resistance: the Tea Party movement of the spring and the town-hall meetings of the summer. With characteristic condescension, they contemptuously dismissed the protests as the mere excrescences of a redneck, retrograde, probably racist rabble.

Sounds familiar.

163 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:35:52am

re: #141 Boogberg

I had a Christian math teacher at the junior college who was pretty cool. He made some pamphlets available on the first day but didn't push it. You would think all math experts would be atheists but they're not. Strange.

Math is not logic, it is straightforward and does not lie or deceive.

I remember a discussion with a Christian mathematician who tells me that the most convincing argument for Jesus Christ as his savior was the way that the revelations in the New Testament fulfilled the prophecies of the Old Testaments.

The odds of that happening by chance were astronomical, he said, and compared it to covering the State of Texas a foot deep in silver dollars and then wading in and finding a specific dollar hidden among them on the first try.

Of course, as he was already convinced that the New Testament was the Revelaled Word of God, he could not conceive that it could have been "tweaked" a bit to bring it in line with the prohecies, and I did not even try to broach that possibility.

He was using his belief to confirm his belief, and I was content to leave him with it, as people like that are hard to convince of anything they donÄt want to believe in.

164 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:36:14am

re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar

The Dow loved that.
/

TEH KORPORASHUNS R EEEBILLL!!111!ELVENTY

165 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:36:16am

re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar

The Dow loved that.
/

Oh, yeah. Nothing like hearing that you're about to be hit with regulations based on blind rage rather than rational analysis.

Maybe he can try handing out pitchforks and torches next time.

166 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:38:33am

re: #165 SixDegrees

Oh, yeah. Nothing like hearing that you're about to be hit with regulations based on blind rage rather than rational analysis.

Maybe he can try handing out pitchforks and torches next time.

I remember once at work we had a meeting and they said being late will be dealt with, probably by termination. I said,"So if I am gonna be late, don't even bother showing up?" That shut him the fuck up.

167 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:38:41am

re: #159 MandyManners

I may be losing my faith, Mandy. Stuff just isn't adding up for me.

168 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:39:22am

re: #167 Boogberg

I may be losing my faith, Mandy. Stuff just isn't adding up for me.

That is why it is called faith.

169 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:39:31am

Morning folks

170 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:40:07am

re: #165 SixDegrees

Oh, yeah. Nothing like hearing that you're about to be hit with regulations based on blind rage rather than rational analysis.

Maybe he can try handing out pitchforks and torches next time.

Buy stock in pitchfork manufacterers now.

171 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:40:44am

re: #168 Cannadian Club Akbar

That is why it is called faith.


Science is incompatible with a literal interpretation of the Bible and belief in an interventionist God, but it is not incompatible with a symbolic, metaphorical interpretaion and beliefe in a Divine Spirit and Creator.

172 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:41:03am

re: #167 Boogberg

I may be losing my faith, Mandy. Stuff just isn't adding up for me.

Don't let your doubts multiply.

173 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:41:44am

re: #169 RogueOne

Morning folks

Good one to you, too!

174 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:42:16am

re: #170 MandyManners

Buy stock in pitchfork manufacterers now.

Our faith in the Ideology of the Unfettered Free market is so great that we continue to defend banks and Wass Street after they f*cked us in the a** and then blackmailed the government to bail us all out.

Obama is trying to prevent this from happening again and being made out a bogeyman who wants to incite a class war.

175 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:45:00am

re: #155 SixDegrees

Well ultimately this popped bubble I think is the responsibility of the politicians who deregulated the banking "industry" at the behest of pushy constituents, in exchange for votes. Then human stupidity and greed, which government is supposed to hold in check, had their way with predictable results.

And in the bigger picture than even that, this mess can be laid at the feet of the stupid electorate.

So fie on all blame shifting.

•••

Good morning all

176 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:45:44am

re: #168 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well it sounds good if you say it fast but I'm needing evidence.

177 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:47:32am

As punishment for bad grades, a Georgia mother forced her 12-year-old son to kill his pet hamster with a hammer, police said.

The day after he was forced to kill his pet, the child told his teacher, Meriwether County Sheriff Steve Whitlock told the AJC Thursday evening.

The teacher reported the incident to DFCS authorities, who contacted police, Whitlock said. The pet's death allegedly took place at the family's Warm Springs home.

On Friday, 38-year-old Lynn Middlebrooks Geter was arrested, Whitlock said. Geter faces one charge each of animal cruelty, child cruelty and battery.

SNIP

178 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:48:03am

re: #174 ralphieboy

Our faith in the Ideology of the Unfettered Free market is so great that we continue to defend banks and Wass Street after they f*cked us in the a** and then blackmailed the government to bail us all out.

Obama is trying to prevent this from happening again and being made out a bogeyman who wants to incite a class war.

KORPORASHUNS R TEH DEBILLL!!!

179 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:48:30am

re: #172 MandyManners

Well we should doubt, shouldn't we? That's how we get to the truth.

180 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:48:42am

re: #175 Ojoe

Well ultimately this popped bubble I think is the responsibility of the politicians who deregulated the banking "industry" at the behest of pushy constituents, in exchange for votes. Then human stupidity and greed, which government is supposed to hold in check, had their way with predictable results.

And in the bigger picture than even that, this mess can be laid at the feet of the stupid electorate.

So fie on all blame shifting.

•••

Good morning all

You have it well nailed, but this debacle is rooted in an almost blind faith in the Free Market as an ideology, and not just a mechanism for regulating the flow of goods and capital.

Once we let any ideology cloud our thinking, be it socialistic or capitalistic in nature, the worst aspects of human nature are going to make a mess out of it.

181 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:48:58am

re: #176 Boogberg

Well it sounds good if you say it fast but I'm needing evidence.

Oh, you weren't launching a pun.

182 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:49:22am

re: #178 MandyManners

re: #180 ralphieboy

You have nailed it also.

BBL

183 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:49:53am

re: #177 MandyManners

I read that yesterday, wtf is wrong with people. Sick, Sad world.

184 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:50:04am

re: #179 Boogberg

Well we should doubt, shouldn't we? That's how we get to the truth.

I wish I had some sage words for you but, I don't.

(((Boogberg)))

185 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:50:17am

Oh, man. I gotta head out to the CCA Ranch. Wish I could stay around. See ya'll tomorrow for pregame. Make the best of your Saturday.:)

186 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:50:46am

re: #178 MandyManners

KORPORASHUNS R TEH DEBILLL!!!


No, they are part of our society, a part whose interests must be balanced against those of the rest of us.

It is not about demonizing anyone, it is about the government doing its job, part of which is balancing interests and not allowing one part of society to assume such a dominant position that it can blackmail another.

187 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:50:58am

re: #183 RogueOne

I read that yesterday, wtf is wrong with people. Sick, Sad world.

I think she'll have a miserable time in prison.

188 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:53:02am

re: #184 MandyManners

If that was a hug, I needed one. Thank you.

189 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:53:49am

I posted this last night.

A Venezuelan TV channel that takes a critical line against Hugo Chavez could be forced off cable if it doesn't carry mandatory government programming including some of the president's speeches, a lawyer for the channel said Friday.

The government forced Radio Caracas Television, or RCTV, off the open airwaves in 2007 by refusing to renew its broadcast license, and the channel subsequently moved to cable under the name Radio Caracas Television International.

Venezuela's telecommunications agency said Thursday that two dozen local cable channels including RCTV must carry government programming when deemed mandatory, just like broadcast channels already do. Chavez often uses the measure — referred to as a "national network" — to have his speeches shown in full on all TV channels and radio stations.

RCTV lawyer Oswaldo Quintana said cable providers were told by the telecommunications agency the if RCTV doesn't carry the next mandatory programming segment, "they would have to take us off the air."

"They invented something additional that isn't in the law," Quintana said, referring to a new measure allowing only limited commercials between programs on local cable channels. He said that requirement is aimed at "destroying you as a channel."

Public Works Minister Diosdado Cabello, who also heads the telecommunications agency, on Thursday announced a list of cable channels that have more than 30 percent of locally produced programming and are to be bound by the rules approved by the agency last month.

SNIP

190 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:53:52am

Scrolling back through the front page it looks like I missed an exciting night around here. I always miss EVERYTHING.

191 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:54:28am

re: #177 MandyManners

As punishment for bad grades, a Georgia mother forced her 12-year-old son to kill his pet hamster with a hammer, police said.

SNIP

Ewww.

A kid I went to elementary school with, the son of a minister, showed up one morning looking glum. Turned out his pet gerbil had had a litter, and his dad didn't approve, so he put the whole lot in a paper bag and beat them against the door jamb, in front of the kids.

Whenever there's a story about someone who's snapped and shot up a public place, I always wonder if I'm gonna see that guy's name in the paper.

192 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:54:40am

re: #188 Boogberg

If that was a hug, I needed one. Thank you.

Yes, it was. You're welcome.

Do you have anyone to talk to about this? A parent? A preacher? A good friend?

193 darthstar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:55:16am

re: #187 MandyManners

I think she'll have hope she has a miserable time in prison.

FTFY

194 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:55:23am

re: #191 SixDegrees

Ewww.

A kid I went to elementary school with, the son of a minister, showed up one morning looking glum. Turned out his pet gerbil had had a litter, and his dad didn't approve, so he put the whole lot in a paper bag and beat them against the door jamb, in front of the kids.

Whenever there's a story about someone who's snapped and shot up a public place, I always wonder if I'm gonna see that guy's name in the paper.

A minister mistreating the least of God's creatures?!

195 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:57:24am

re: #194 MandyManners

A minister mistreating the least of God's creatures?!

It was...weird, to say the very least.

I think they were Presbyterians, if that makes it any better.

196 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:57:25am

A Jack Russell terrier from Colorado, living temporarily in Australia with his owners, has been recognized by a pet insurance firm for triggering a "most unusual" claim.

Jack, a 10-year-old male, tangled with a large lizard Down Under and the terrier was torn up in the October scrap.

Jack's claim, submitted by his owners, Jacquelin and Lance Throneberry of Denver, was among 80,000 submitted to Veterinary Pet Insurance Company in December, said Grant Biniasz, a spokesman with the California-based firm.

The claim was selected by VPI "as the most unusual of the bunch."

Jack received cuts on his front and hind legs that "required multiple stitches, several staples and treatment with a series of antibiotics," Biniasz said.

Jacquelin Throneberry told the insurance firm that Jack ran ahead of her while out for a walk.

"Before I know it, I see Jack in the distance running down the hill violently shaking what looked like a big lizard," Throneberry told the insurance company. "I first thought, 'Oh no, he's probably killed that poor lizard,' but it soon sounded like he was fighting with it. As I got closer, I saw the lizard running up a tree alive and well.

"Jack was sitting further down the hill panting from exhaustion with his legs covered in blood. He was just a bunch of cuts, all-over bites and claw marks."

Throneberry believes Jack fought a goanna, a carnivorous, predatory reptile, some of which can grow up to seven feet long from snout to the tip of the tail.


SNIP

197 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:57:51am

re: #195 SixDegrees

It was...weird, to say the very least.

I think they were Presbyterians, if that makes it any better.

No, it doesn't.

198 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:58:46am

re: #197 MandyManners

No, it doesn't.

I didn't think it would.

199 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:03:44am

I don't think his wife will have to look far for grounds to divorce his sorry butt.

The former mistress of a married man has taken their relationship public in a big way -- a series of giant billboards of the happy couple erected in New York, San Francisco and Atlanta.

New Yorkers passing through midtown Manhattan this week saw the smiling faces of "Charles and YaVaughnie" beaming down upon them from one of two billboards in the city with the caption reading, "You are my soulmate forever! - cep."

SNIP

Phillips, 50, the co-president of Oracle Corp., admitted the affair with Wilkins, 42, in a statement released by his spokeswoman Friday.

""I had an 8½-year serious relationship with YaVaughnie Wilkins," the statement said. "My divorce proceedings began in 2008. The relationship with Ms. Wilkins has since ended and we both wish each other well."

Phillips is reportedly still married to his wife, Karen, and the two have a son together.

SNIP

200 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:04:01am

re: #191 SixDegrees

... his pet gerbil had had a litter, and his dad didn't approve, so he put the whole lot in a paper bag and beat them against the door jamb, in front of the kids...

The were born out of wedlock, had to be punished.

201 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:05:02am

re: #200 RogueOne

The were born...

PIMF, damnit. "They"

202 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:05:46am

re: #192 MandyManners

Yeah I'll work on it. I need to tighten up. More focus I think.

203 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:06:45am

Good Morning LGF.
I pray I haven't missed any aggravation yet?

204 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:06:49am

re: #202 Boogberg

Yeah I'll work on it. I need to tighten up. More focus I think.

Just don't stress yourself out. Open your eyes to the beauty of the world God made.

205 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:07:21am

re: #199 MandyManners

I don't think his wife will have to look far for grounds to divorce his sorry butt.

The former mistress of a married man has taken their relationship public in a big way -- a series of giant billboards of the happy couple erected in New York, San Francisco and Atlanta.

I saw that story yesterday.
Honestly - I think it's a completely trashy thing for the woman to do.

But I couldn't help but giggle just a bit.

206 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:07:23am

re: #203 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
I pray I haven't missed any aggravation yet?

KORPORASHUNS R EEEBILLL!!111!ELEVENTY!1

207 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:08:00am

re: #205 reine.de.tout

I saw that story yesterday.
Honestly - I think it's a completely trashy thing for the woman to do.

But I couldn't help but giggle just a bit.

Yeah, eight years is a long time to hold on only to be dumped.

208 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:08:11am

BBL. Dentist. Just a cleaning.

209 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:08:27am

re: #204 MandyManners

Thanks Mandy. :)

210 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:08:32am

re: #207 MandyManners

Yeah, eight years is a long time to hold on only to be dumped.

Note: I have NO sympathy for the mistress or her cheat-mate.

211 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:08:57am

re: #208 SixDegrees

BBL. Dentist. Just a cleaning.

You got a dentist who'll work on a Saturday?! Good going.

212 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:09:50am

re: #207 MandyManners

Yeah, eight years is a long time to hold on only to be dumped.

Yeah, 'cept I don't have a lot of sympathy for a person who will knowingly take up with someone who is married. That's just stupid; there's never any sort of future in it.

213 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:14:31am

re: #206 MandyManners

KORPORASHUNS R EEEBILLL!!111!ELEVENTY!1

Effin A. Countries with no corporations are GOOODER!

214 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:15:32am

For those bitching about the current Supreme Court decision allowing corporations to donate money again, keep in mind that the ruling also allows unions to do the same in the same way.

215 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:16:22am

re: #212 reine.de.tout

Yeah, 'cept I don't have a lot of sympathy for a person who will knowingly take up with someone who is married. That's just stupid; there's never any sort of future in it.

I've never understood it.

216 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:16:52am

Approximately 85% of the state's 235,000 employees (not including higher education employees) are unionized. As the governor noted during his $83 billion budget roll-out, over the past decade pension costs for public employees increased 2,000%. State revenues increased only 24% over the same period.

disaster in CA...the liberal made kind

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

217 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:18:59am
218 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:19:49am

re: #216 albusteve

Pensions are a liberal plot?

219 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:19:51am

re: #216 albusteve

2,000 v. 24? Completely unviable.

220 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:23:05am

re: #218 Obdicut

Pensions are a liberal plot?

No, Unions.

221 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:23:18am

100 protestors stay to the end to razz Obama on his way out of Lorain County

[Link: www.cleveland.com...]

222 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:25:23am

re: #214 MandyManners

For those bitching about the current Supreme Court decision allowing corporations to donate money again, keep in mind that the ruling also allows unions to do the same in the same way.

Yup. Either way the small businessman and the non-unionized worker gets royally uckfayed...as usual.

223 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:27:02am

Mr. Obama vowed to “never stop fighting for policies that will help restore home values.” He promised that he was “not going to stop fighting to give our kids the best education possible.” He pledged he would not “stop fighting to give every American a fair shake,” to continue fighting for a new Consumer Protection Agency and for openness in government. And of course, Mr. Obama pledged to fight for jobs.
“So long as I have some breath in me, so long as I have the privilege of serving as your president, I will not stop fighting for you,” Mr. Obama said. “I will take my lumps. But I won’t stop fighting to bring back jobs here.”

yep, he's a fighter alright as the NYTimes points out...a real tough guy

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

224 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:27:44am

re: #212 reine.de.tout

Yeah, 'cept I don't have a lot of sympathy for a person who will knowingly take up with someone who is married. That's just stupid; there's never any sort of future in it.

There's never any shortage of stupid.

225 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:29:13am

re: #222 Spare O'Lake

Yup. Either way the small businessman and the non-unionized worker gets royally uckfayed...as usual.

How? Granting First Amendment protections to more takes them away from others?

226 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:30:02am

re: #223 albusteve

Mr. Obama vowed to “never stop fighting for policies that will help restore home values.” He promised that he was “not going to stop fighting to give our kids the best education possible.” He pledged he would not “stop fighting to give every American a fair shake,” to continue fighting for a new Consumer Protection Agency and for openness in government. And of course, Mr. Obama pledged to fight for jobs.
“So long as I have some breath in me, so long as I have the privilege of serving as your president, I will not stop fighting for you,” Mr. Obama said. “I will take my lumps. But I won’t stop fighting to bring back jobs here.”

yep, he's a fighter alright as the NYTimes points out...a real tough guy

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Perpetual revolution.

227 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:30:32am

re: #224 Spare O'Lake

There's never any shortage of stupid.

It's one thing that seems to be in abundant supply.

228 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:30:48am

re: #205 reine.de.tout

I saw that story yesterday.
Honestly - I think it's a completely trashy thing for the woman to do.

But I couldn't help but giggle just a bit.

Real-life flame wars are much more fun. You have to be really pissed to spend that much money.

229 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:31:35am

I don't even know why I post this blather...Hillary and BO get played like a fiddle and still insist they are dealing with Iran...minus the Russians and Chinese who have dumped all over BO


[Link: www.reuters.com...]

230 abolitionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:34:08am

Alert: Female Suicide Bombers May Be Heading Here From Yemen

U.S. Agents Told Women Believed Connected to Al Qaeda May Have Western Appearance and Passports
231 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:34:09am

re: #228 RogueOne

Real-life flame wars are much more fun. You have to be really pissed to spend that much money.

Or, spending that kind of money is a continuation of teh stupid.
Those signs cost $250,000, I think I read.

If I had $250,000 laying around, I sure could find a much better use for it.

232 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:35:45am

re: #215 MandyManners

I've never understood it.

Subconsciously men who are taken are better picks for women. We've already passed the "is he a worthy mate" question. Plus, people are genetically predisposed to cheat.

233 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:38:05am
234 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:38:14am

re: #222 Spare O'Lake

Yup. Either way the small businessman and the non-unionized worker gets royally uckfayed...as usual.

It's like David and Goliath, except this time David wins!!!
/Homer Simpson/

235 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:38:57am

re: #233 Number_6

Flouncy and very lame.

236 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:39:12am

re: #230 abolitionist

Alert: Female Suicide Bombers May Be Heading Here From Yemen

You've come a long way, baby.

237 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:40:09am

re: #233 Number_6

3 posts since 2004? I think that already qualifies as closed.

238 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:40:10am

re: #225 MandyManners

How? Granting First Amendment protections to more takes them away from others?

In theory, no.
But in practice the effect can be to drown out the voice of the little guy, because the pols are corrupt and too many people swallow the mass media ads like sheep.

239 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:40:13am

re: #233 Number_6

Here's a wee bit of advice: JUST STOP POSTING!!!

240 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:40:47am

re: #233 Number_6

Did you try just not coming to the site and posting?

Or are you really that petty that you want to reduce the "number of registered users" by one?

241 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:40:59am

The commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, General David Petraeus, says there are indications the domestic conflict in Yemen could become a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Petraeus spoke in Washington Friday at the Institute for the Study of War.

General Petraeus was asked whether he sees the civil war between Yemen's government and rebel Houthi forces in the north as a proxy war, with Iran supporting the rebels and Saudi Arabia helping the government. The general said it is not a proxy war now, but has the potential to become one, and there may already have been some movement in that direction.

"Frankly, although there is a lot of rumor, there's a lot of allegations, and so forth, we have been hard pressed to find indications of substantial levels of that," he said. "Although there have been some indicators in the past month or so that some of that is indeed beginning to happen."


SNIP

242 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:41:04am

re: #236 MandyManners

You've come a long way, baby.

You should have submitted that to FARK or the Onion. That'd be a great headline.

243 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:41:40am

re: #233 Number_6

Karma: -2
Registered since: Aug 9, 2004 at 8:23 am
(Logged in)
No. of comments posted: 3
No. of links posted: 0

244 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:41:42am

re: #233 Number_6

Daddy, I really really hate you!!! Love Number_6

245 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:42:23am

re: #243 MandyManners

Karma: -2

FIRST!

246 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:42:43am

re: #232 RogueOne

Subconsciously men who are taken are better picks for women. We've already passed the "is he a worthy mate" question. Plus, people are genetically predisposed to cheat.

What's so good about a man who comes and goes, who's never there for the holidays, who is a PROVEN liar?

247 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:42:55am

re: #239 MandyManners

Here's a wee bit of advice: JUST STOP POSTING!!!

No, can't do that.
Then there would be no reason to go elsewhere and complain about being banned for disagreeing - in 3 posts since 2004.

248 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:43:40am

re: #238 Spare O'Lake

In theory, no.
But in practice the effect can be to drown out the voice of the little guy, because the pols are corrupt and too many people swallow the mass media ads like sheep.

I don't believe in limiting the Constitution to certain groups.

249 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:43:41am

Terry O'Neill...
"We strongly endorsed Coakley. She is a great leader, she is a good candidate. We need more women like Martha Coakley to run for office. More women run, more women will win."

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

why NOW is irrelevant these days

250 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:43:57am

re: #242 RogueOne

You should have submitted that to FARK or the Onion. That'd be a great headline.

Thank you.

251 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:44:50am

re: #247 reine.de.tout

No, can't do that.
Then there would be no reason to go elsewhere and complain about being banned for disagreeing - in 3 posts since 2004.

Drama llama?

252 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:45:29am

re: #249 albusteve

Terry O'Neill...
"We strongly endorsed Coakley. She is a great leader, she is a good candidate. We need more women like Martha Coakley to run for office. More women run, more women will win."

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

why NOW is irrelevant these days

I've never understood how a person's reproductive organs qualify her or him for office.

253 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:46:46am

re: #252 MandyManners

I've never understood how a person's reproductive organs qualify her or him for office.

What did Martin Luther King Jr. say, something about content of character?

254 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:46:58am

re: #246 MandyManners

HA! I'm not even going to ask...//

Just sayin. There are certain traits women subconsciously look for in a mate and they can assume a man meets those qualifications if another woman has already given him a passing grade.

255 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:48:15am

re: #233 Number_6

If a moderator is reading this, ...

Thanks a lot.

Good morning Lizards! Got my coffee, got my local fishwrap of a newspaper, but damned if I haven't lost another sock!

256 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:49:17am

re: #254 RogueOne

Plus, women are just more cut-throat than men.

257 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:50:05am

Unemployment rose in 43 states last month
[Link: www.clarionledger.com...]

Alabama unemployment highest in 26 years
[Link: www.al.com...]

recovery!

258 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:51:40am

re: #253 rwdflynavy

What did Martin Luther King Jr. say, something about content of character?

I thought that was just about the color of one's skin.

259 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:52:17am

re: #254 RogueOne

HA! I'm not even going to ask...//

Just sayin. There are certain traits women subconsciously look for in a mate and they can assume a man meets those qualifications if another woman has already given him a passing grade.

A passing grade? He's a liar.

260 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:53:03am

re: #255 austin_blue

Good morning Lizards! Got my coffee, got my local fishwrap of a newspaper, but damned if I haven't lost another sock!

Don't quote the flounce!

261 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:54:39am

re: #260 MandyManners

Don't quote the flounce!

You'll notice that the flounce bit was judiciously edited.

Morning Mandy! Hope you are well!

262 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:54:51am

re: #257 albusteve

Real recovery will not happen until the federal government reigns in spending and stops printing money. This past week on Wall Street was a good indication that investors want something real to back up the claims of recovery. The DOW climbing 70% in a year will not satiate those investors who know that the vast majority of better earnings was largely due to cutbacks in the workforce. Companies can only save so much money by laying people off. At some point in time, jobs must be created. 2010 is going to be a rough economic year and I wouldn't be surprised if we all saw the DOW back down in the 6000 point range.

263 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:54:53am

Nevada jobless rate rises to 13 percent
[Link: www.mynews4.com...]

N.C. unemployment hits new peak
[Link: blogs.newsobserver.com...]

Tennessee unemployment rate rose to 10.9% in December
[Link: www.commercialappeal.com...]

State unemployment at
11.1 percent last month...Illinois

[Link: www.sj-r.com...]

massive Recovery!

264 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:55:54am

Anyone see this?

No Love Lost

[Link: www.texastribune.org...]


At 9:45 this morning, George H.W. Bush will open up his West Houston home to the press to make what is, for the octogenarian former president, a rare overtly political announcement: In the intra-Republican party fight for Texas governor, 41 has chosen U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison over Gov. Rick Perry. He joins his close friend, longtime consigliere, and former White House chief-of-staff James Baker, who endorsed Hutchison earlier this week, and a long list of his son George W. Bush's closest associates in lining up behind the challenger to the incumbent. Hutchison has the public backing of former Vice President Dick Cheney, former Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings, and former Counselor to the President and communications director Karen Hughes, and she's being advised by former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove.

Sounds like a turf war in texas.

265 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:57:19am

re: #261 austin_blue

You'll notice that the flounce bit was judiciously edited.

Morning Mandy! Hope you are well!

A flounce is a flounce is a flounce.

I'm doing very well. How're things hanging with you?

266 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:58:20am

re: #239 MandyManners

Here's a wee bit of advice: JUST STOP POSTING!!!

Ha ha. Weak- asking someone else to do what you can do for yourself.

267 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:58:40am

re: #248 MandyManners

I don't believe in limiting the Constitution to certain groups.

No rights are absolute.

268 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:58:56am

re: #262 Jetpilot1101

Real recovery will not happen until the federal government reigns in spending and stops printing money. This past week on Wall Street was a good indication that investors want something real to back up the claims of recovery. The DOW climbing 70% in a year will not satiate those investors who know that the vast majority of better earnings was largely due to cutbacks in the workforce. Companies can only save so much money by laying people off. At some point in time, jobs must be created. 2010 is going to be a rough economic year and I wouldn't be surprised if we all saw the DOW back down in the 6000 point range.

And the government cannot do this by hiking corporate taxes.

269 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:59:25am

re: #205 reine.de.tout

I saw that story yesterday.
Honestly - I think it's a completely trashy thing for the woman to do.

But I couldn't help but giggle just a bit.

Looks like it wasn't the typical story of a woman choosing to be the "Other Woman" :

Wilkins had been under the impression that Phillips' divorce was finalized in 2003.

"Their relationship was always very public and open. He went to family events, she has traveled with him," Davila said.

But late last summer, Davila said, Wilkins received an anonymous e-mail tip about Phillips' marital status. Hiring a private investigator, she learned that Phillips was still married. She ended her relationship with him in October 2009.

Guy's lucky that all she did was set up a website and a few billboards, if that's true.

8 1/2 years is a long time for a married man to successfully convince someone he's single, but I once worked with a woman who was deceived that way for 2 years.

270 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:00:14am

re: #267 Spare O'Lake

No rights are absolute.

mine are because I say they are...I am an Army of One

271 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:00:25am

re: #264 RogueOne

Anyone see this?

No Love Lost

[Link: www.texastribune.org...]

Sounds like a turf war in texas.

I hope Perry gets booted.

272 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:01:16am

re: #266 BruceKelly

Ha ha. Weak- asking someone else to do what you can do for yourself.

Not to defend flouncishness, but there is no way to close one's own account, is there?

273 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:01:32am

re: #266 BruceKelly

Ha ha. Weak- asking someone else to do what you can do for yourself.

It's no fun to stomp one's widdle foot in obscurity.

274 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:02:13am

re: #267 Spare O'Lake

No rights are absolute.

There are limits as to time, place and manner, such as shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theatre.

275 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:02:17am

re: #272 Spare O'Lake

Not to defend flouncishness, but there is no way to close one's own account, is there?

no, email Charles is the only way

276 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:02:56am

re: #272 Spare O'Lake

Not to defend flouncishness, but there is no way to close one's own account, is there?

Yes, there is. One can just not post.

277 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:04:03am

re: #268 MandyManners

And the government cannot do this by hiking corporate taxes.

I couldn't agree with you more. I submit that if President Obama came out in his state of the union and proposed massive spending cuts to bring the deficit under control coupled with the elimination of the capital gains tax and the reduction of all corporate and small business taxes, the American people would get behind him and force Congress to act. The American people want a real plan drafted by the President, not some government mish mash of political speak fed to them by Reid and Pelosi. I'm not a fan of the president, but even I would get behind him 100% if he led from the oval office and proposed less government to reignite the entrepeneurial spirit of America. A good smackdown of Reid and Pelosi would give him a 70% approval raiting overnight.

278 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:06:23am

I mentioned something yesterday about there being a bit of an overreaction to people taking pics in London.

Londoners: Mass photography event in Trafalgar Square today! I'm a photographer, not a terrorist
[Link: www.boingboing.net...]

A reminder for Londoners: there's a mass photo shoot-in at midday today in Trafalgar Square, to protest English cops' continuing harassment of photographers under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act. I'll be there with the family, shooting away merrily -- hope to see you, too.

[Link: photographernotaterrorist.org...]

279 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:07:32am

re: #277 Jetpilot1101

I couldn't agree with you more. I submit that if President Obama came out in his state of the union and proposed massive spending cuts to bring the deficit under control coupled with the elimination of the capital gains tax and the reduction of all corporate and small business taxes, the American people would get behind him and force Congress to act. The American people want a real plan drafted by the President, not some government mish mash of political speak fed to them by Reid and Pelosi. I'm not a fan of the president, but even I would get behind him 100% if he led from the oval office and proposed less government to reignite the entrepeneurial spirit of America. A good smackdown of Reid and Pelosi would give him a 70% approval raiting overnight.

I hope you're not gonna' hold your breath.

280 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:07:41am

re: #272 Spare O'Lake

Not to defend flouncishness, but there is no way to close one's own account, is there?

As Mandy Manners said, "JUST STOP POSTING!!!"

281 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:09:20am

re: #265 MandyManners

A flounce is a flounce is a flounce.

I'm doing very well. How're things hanging with you?

I am well. She Who Must Be Obeyed is down in Kerrville all day doing the orchestra thing. I've got to go to the office later to get some work done.

C'est la vie...

282 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:09:40am

re: #277 Jetpilot1101

I couldn't agree with you more. I submit that if President Obama came out in his state of the union and proposed massive spending cuts to bring the deficit under control coupled with the elimination of the capital gains tax and the reduction of all corporate and small business taxes, the American people would get behind him and force Congress to act. The American people want a real plan drafted by the President, not some government mish mash of political speak fed to them by Reid and Pelosi. I'm not a fan of the president, but even I would get behind him 100% if he led from the oval office and proposed less government to reignite the entrepeneurial spirit of America. A good smackdown of Reid and Pelosi would give him a 70% approval raiting overnight.

Hear! Hear! Nice to meet you Jetpilot.

283 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:10:49am

re: #279 MandyManners

I hope you're not gonna' hold your breath.

Nope but I will be holding a glass of 12-year old, single malt scotch as he delivers his message.

284 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:11:41am

re: #283 Jetpilot1101

Nope but I will be holding a glass of 12-year old, single malt scotch as he delivers his message.

Mmmm...Ardbeg...

285 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:12:14am

re: #282 BruceKelly

Hear! Hear! Nice to meet you Jetpilot.

Nice to meet you to.

286 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:12:18am

re: #274 MandyManners

There are limits as to time, place and manner, such as shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theatre.

By analogy, if you are trying to speak to someone and a mob keeps following you around and drowning you out with bullhorns, aren't you deserving of some protection?

287 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:14:45am

re: #286 Spare O'Lake

That's disturbing the peace. You have the right to say what you want, not as loud as you want.

288 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:15:04am

In the days of national markets and restricted flow of goods and capital, cutting corporate taxes was a good way of giving them an incentive to invest in the US economy and stimulate the US job market.

Problem is now that we have grown so globalized that they often take their tax cuts and invest them in other places with lower production costs (i.e. lower wages and less strict environmental standards) and leave Americans with minimum wage, non-union jobs at the Wal-Mart selling the cheap crap they are having manufactured abroad.

How can we come up with an incentive for these corporations to reinvest their tax cuts in a manner that benefits those of us who still have to pay taxes?

289 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:15:19am

re: #281 austin_blue

I am well. She Who Must Be Obeyed is down in Kerrville all day doing the orchestra thing. I've got to go to the office later to get some work done.

C'est la vie...

I'm making lentil soup today and it requires about an hour of preparation--four cups of choped onions and leeks, three minced cloves of garlic and three cups of diced celery and carrots. The smell as it cooks will be delightful.

290 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:15:43am

re: #283 Jetpilot1101

Nope but I will be holding a glass of 12-year old, single malt scotch as he delivers his message.

It's not enough to just hold it. Ya' gotta' sip it at some point.

291 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:15:49am

re: #278 RogueOne

I mentioned something yesterday about there being a bit of an overreaction to people taking pics in London.

I do think the UK has for a long time over-reacted to people taking pics, but it's worth noting this, from yesterday:

UK terror threat raised to 'severe'

• Threat raised from 'substantial' to 'severe'
• Home secretary says no attack is imminent

Also, from December:
Police expect Mumbai-style terror attack on City of London

Scotland Yard has warned businesses in London to expect a Mumbai-style attack on the capital.
In a briefing in the City of London 12 days ago, a senior detective from SO15, the Metropolitan police counter-terrorism command, said: “Mumbai is coming to London.”
The detective said companies should anticipate a shooting and hostage-taking raid “involving a small number of gunmen with handguns and improvised explosive devices”.

The warning — the bluntest issued by police — has underlined an assessment that a terrorist cell may be preparing an attack on London early next year.


I don't mind admitting I've got the jitters at the moment (well, have done since that late Dec warning) about London and people I know there.

292 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:16:37am

re: #286 Spare O'Lake

By analogy, if you are trying to speak to someone and a mob keeps following you around and drowning you out with bullhorns, aren't you deserving of some protection?

No. Buy your own bullhorn.

293 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:17:02am

re: #286 Spare O'Lake

By analogy, if you are trying to speak to someone and a mob keeps following you around and drowning you out with bullhorns, aren't you deserving of some protection?

We have a right to speak. We don't have a right to be heard.

294 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:18:04am

Former Arizona Congressman J.D. Hayworth says he is planning to run against John McCain for his U.S. Senate seat…

[Link: www.azstarnet.com...]

295 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:19:03am

McDonald's apologizes after leaving pig out of toy collection

Read more: [Link: www.monstersandcritics.com...]

However, the fast-food chain left out the pig and replaced it with the love god cupid as Valentine's Day also falls in February, arguing that the company did not want to offend Muslims.

296 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:19:54am

re: #290 MandyManners

It's not enough to just hold it. Ya' gotta' sip it at some point.

*snicker*

297 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:21:24am

re: #293 MandyManners

We have a right to speak. We don't have a right to be heard.

Thursday's decision by the Supreme's seems to disagree with you. Not only are Unions and Corporations now "People" in the sense that they have the individual right to free speech, but they cannot have limits placed on them in the amount of money they can spend on making sure that candidate advocacy is heard loud and clear.

Ruh roh...

298 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:22:40am

re: #291 iceweasel

I saw that was raised yesterday. I wonder what it was specifically that caused enough concern to raise it. Here's hoping we don't find out.

It does strike me a bit ironic that the city with possibly the most state-operated cameras on the planet has such a problem with citizens having cameras of their own.

299 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:23:32am
300 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:23:47am

re: #296 BruceKelly

*snicker*

I never saw that one coming.

301 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:25:14am

re: #297 austin_blue

Thursday's decision by the Supreme's seems to disagree with you. Not only are Unions and Corporations now "People" in the sense that they have the individual right to free speech, but they cannot have limits placed on them in the amount of money they can spend on making sure that candidate advocacy is heard loud and clear.

Ruh roh...

Ummm...I agree with the decision. The point I was making applies only to the situation proposed by Spare O'Lake.

302 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:25:48am

re: #299 reine.de.tout

Oh, crap.
From the Weekly Standard:

The Pentagon’s Fort Hood investigation is a pathetic whitewash.

Yes, it is pathetic.

303 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:27:14am

re: #298 RogueOne

I saw that was raised yesterday. I wonder what it was specifically that caused enough concern to raise it. Here's hoping we don't find out.

It does strike me a bit ironic that the city with possibly the most state-operated cameras on the planet has such a problem with citizens having cameras of their own.

My guess is that it's highly likely to be related to the earlier warning about a Mumbai style attack. I hope not, but it's hard not to think they're related.
The alternative is that they have info about two forthcoming planned attacks, which isn't making me feel any better.
But yes, I agree with you on the photo issue; it's always seemed incongruous to me given how many security cameras are all over London. Last I heard it was the most of anywhere on the planet, proportionately.

304 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:27:21am

Wow. NPR's show, Wait, Wait! Don't Tell Me! is having a field day ripping on Democrats.

"There's a grass roots effort among Democrats in the next Congressional elections to vote for actual lemmings."

"After her dad's announcement that she was single, Ayla Brown received over 1000 requests for dates on her FaceBook page. 200 of them were from John Edwards."

"Without a clear national Republican leader, the Democrats are having trouble determining who to surrender to."

"Now that their Senate supermajority has been reduced from 60 to 59, is it possible for the Democrats to be even less effective?"

And on and on and on.

It's kind of entertaining, watching the Left cannibalize itself.

305 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:29:02am

re: #302 MandyManners

Yes, it is pathetic.

ho hum...what did you expect from the feds?

306 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:29:43am

re: #291 iceweasel

I don't mind admitting I've got the jitters at the moment (well, have done since that late Dec warning) about London and people I know there.

My daughter is signed up to go to the UK for 3 weeks this summer with a school group.

I admit I've got the jitters about her trip. I've come this close to cancelling the trip; but she really wants to go and honestly, I want her to be able to take advantage of this opportunity. But I will admit I'm more than just a little bit nervous about it.

307 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:30:01am

re: #305 albusteve

ho hum...what did you expect from the feds?

I certainly expected more from the Army.

308 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:30:03am

re: #303 iceweasel

Photographers getting hassled isn't relegated to just London. It happens here all the time too. It could always be worse, there are places in saudi if you're caught with a camera you are in some deep shit.

309 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:30:19am

re: #305 albusteve

ho hum...what did you expect from the feds?

I expect the DoD to stop drinking the PC KoolAid.

310 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:31:12am

re: #288 ralphieboy

In the days of national markets and restricted flow of goods and capital, cutting corporate taxes was a good way of giving them an incentive to invest in the US economy and stimulate the US job market.

Problem is now that we have grown so globalized that they often take their tax cuts and invest them in other places with lower production costs (i.e. lower wages and less strict environmental standards) and leave Americans with minimum wage, non-union jobs at the Wal-Mart selling the cheap crap they are having manufactured abroad.

How can we come up with an incentive for these corporations to reinvest their tax cuts in a manner that benefits those of us who still have to pay taxes?

I think non-union jobs get a bad reputation because they have been abused by a few people with marginal ethics. Right here in in lower Alabama I know of four large auto manufacturing plants. All of them are non-union and they seem to be doing just fine. They are producing cars in America that people want to buy and providing much needed jobs. Obviously, the companies made a decision to build their plants here instead of China or some other low cost labor market so it must still be economically attractive for them to do so. In about a year, TK is opening up two huge steel mills that will employ thousands of workers. Again, these will be non-union jobs. Now I understand that there is a time and a place for a union but it seems to me that the current ones we have (UAW for example) seem to have forgotten why they were formed in the first place. I submit that while corporate tax cuts are not the final solution to this nations job problem, they, along with some significant union reforms would not only bring back jobs to America from places like China and India, but would in fact increase the number of jobs. I don't think American businesses like the idea of shipping jobs overseas but unfortunately, our federal government has made the business climate in this country so bad at times that they have no choice.

311 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:31:39am

re: #307 austin_blue

I certainly expected more from the Army.

these are not fighting men...paper pushers...anyway my expectations are pretty low these days

312 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:32:54am

re: #310 Jetpilot1101

you down towards the Gulf?...I love that region

313 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:34:32am

re: #292 MandyManners

re: #293 MandyManners

We don't have a right to be listened to, but we should have a right not to be drowned out. It is a conflict between the individual's freedom of expression vs the group's freedom to associate.

314 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:35:29am

re: #306 reine.de.tout

My daughter is signed up to go to the UK for 3 weeks this summer with a school group.

I admit I've got the jitters about her trip. I've come this close to cancelling the trip; but she really wants to go and honestly, I want her to be able to take advantage of this opportunity. But I will admit I'm more than just a little bit nervous about it.

I can understand your fears, for sure, but I'm sure she'll have a great time. Also, especially if she'll get to be outside London at all-- there really isn't anything like the English countryside in summer. Something about the quality of the light; everything really does look like a Constable painting. Much as I love some other landscapes (american southwest, for example) it's stunning.
Plus the museums alone in London are incredible.
I hope she has a wonderful time; I'll keep her in my thoughts.

(Remember too that the UK has been dealing with terrorism for a very long time, much longer than the US has, because of the IRA in the seventies, so she's actually likely to be safer than even here, imo. Hope this helps.)

315 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:35:40am

Pakistani officials say security forces have killed three suspected militants in North Waziristan - a region where the U.S. has urged the country to launch an offensive against Taliban and al-Qaida-linked militants.

Intelligence officials say security forces killed the three suspects during a "search and clearance operation" near Miran Shah, the main town in North Waziristan. Officials say a fourth suspected militant was wounded and two were detained during that operation.

Pakistan launched military operations against militants in South Warizistan in October. The U.S. wants Pakistan to expand the offensive to include the North, along the Afghan border. Afghan Taliban and al-Qaida-linked militants have used North Waziristan to launch attacks in Afghanistan.

However, a Pakistani army spokesman, General Athar Abbas, told visiting U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates Thursday that Pakistan could not expand its offensive against militants in the north for at least six months.

SNIP

I'm sure the terrorists won't take advantage of this announced delay.

316 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:36:07am

Gotta' chop a few veggies. bbiab

317 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:36:28am

re: #311 albusteve

This may seem hard to believe but the military has always been at the leading edge of the pc curve. When your careers are determined by a civilian authority you have to take politics and p.r. into almost every consideration. The higher you go the bigger the role of politics plays. That's why it's much more fun being a colonel than a general.

318 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:37:09am

the Floa-Bama is one of the best saloons in all of America...man, you can really feel at home there

[Link: www.florabama.com...]

319 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:38:38am

re: #317 RogueOne

This may seem hard to believe but the military has always been at the leading edge of the pc curve. When your careers are determined by a civilian authority you have to take politics and p.r. into almost every consideration. The higher you go the bigger the role of politics plays. That's why it's much more fun being a colonel than a general.

it's a disease...it's terminal

320 abolitionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:40:36am

"All eyes on Yemen" (ABCNews video available at the webpage)
EXCLUSIVE: The Conversation - Terror Threat From Yemen

ABC's Diane Sawyer and Brian Ross Discuss Exclusive New Details

Also, India has raised alert level.

321 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:41:52am

re: #159 MandyManners

I appears belief in God is common among astrophysicists. Political science? Not So Much. Makes perfect sense to me.

322 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:42:12am

re: #319 albusteve

it's a disease...it's terminal

I tend to agree. OTOH, no one has done a better job integrating people from all over the racial/economic spectrum. Plus, they do a much better job taking care of the low ranking enlisted types than they did in the past so it has had some benefits.

323 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:42:26am

re: #312 albusteve

you down towards the Gulf?...I love that region

I'm currently residing in sunny Mobile Alabama. I do love the region although my wife would like my next duty station to be back down in Ft. Lauderdale. I'm happy either way.

324 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:42:30am

re: #314 iceweasel

I can understand your fears, for sure, but I'm sure she'll have a great time. Also, especially if she'll get to be outside London at all-- there really isn't anything like the English countryside in summer. Something about the quality of the light; everything really does look like a Constable painting. Much as I love some other landscapes (american southwest, for example) it's stunning.
Plus the museums alone in London are incredible.
I hope she has a wonderful time; I'll keep her in my thoughts.

(Remember too that the UK has been dealing with terrorism for a very long time, much longer than the US has, because of the IRA in the seventies, so she's actually likely to be safer than even here, imo. Hope this helps.)

I sent my daughter to Rome for most of the summer before her senior year in college...she spent about three days in London on her way there and it was the highlight of the entire trip for her...never been over myself, but she's an established traveler

325 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:43:27am

re: #288 ralphieboy

(snip) How can we come up with an incentive for these corporations to reinvest their tax cuts in a manner that benefits those of us who still have to pay taxes?

Corporate taxes are passed on in the form of higher prices for consumers. It's another business expense. Eventually, you're the one paying corporate taxes.

326 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:43:28am

re: #320 abolitionist

"All eyes on Yemen" (ABCNews video available at the webpage)
EXCLUSIVE: The Conversation - Terror Threat From Yemen

Also, India has raised alert level.

time for the KSA to swallow up Yemen...problem solved

327 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:44:06am

re: #314 iceweasel

I can understand your fears, for sure, but I'm sure she'll have a great time. Also, especially if she'll get to be outside London at all-- there really isn't anything like the English countryside in summer. Something about the quality of the light; everything really does look like a Constable painting. Much as I love some other landscapes (american southwest, for example) it's stunning.
Plus the museums alone in London are incredible.
I hope she has a wonderful time; I'll keep her in my thoughts.

(Remember too that the UK has been dealing with terrorism for a very long time, much longer than the US has, because of the IRA in the seventies, so she's actually likely to be safer than even here, imo. Hope this helps.)

Trip includes:

- Shannon • County Kerry
Arrive in Shannon
Travel to County Kerry
Take an excursion to the Ring of Kerry
Visit the Bog Village Museum

- County Kerry • Dublin
Visit Blarney Castle
Continue on to Dublin

- Dublin
Take a guided tour of Dublin
See the Book of Kells at Trinity College
Visit St. Patrick’s Cathedral

- Dublin • North Wales
Take a ferry from Dublin to Holyhead
Visit a Welsh castle
Travel through Snowdonia

- Chester • Lake District
Travel through Chester to Rydal
Visit Rydal Mount

- Edinburgh
Take a walking tour of Edinburgh
Take a guided tour of Edinburgh
Visit Edinburgh Castle
Optional: Scottish Ceilidh

- Edinburgh
Take an excursion to the Trossachs and Loch Katrine
Visit Stirling Castle
Visit the William Wallace Monument

- Yorkshire
Take a guided tour of York
Visit York Minster

- Stratford • Bath region
Take a tour of Stratford
Visit Shakespeare’s birthplace
Take a tour of Bath
Visit Stonehenge

- London
Take a guided tour of London
Take a walking tour of London
Optional: London Eye and Thames River cruise (April-September)
Optional: Windsor Castle

Dream of a trip, it looks like to me.

328 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:45:02am

Laters gators.

329 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:45:11am

re: #310 Jetpilot1101


American businesses go wherever they can maximize profits. That is how our global economy works. American consumers also seek to maximize their cost/benefit ratio, if an imported product is a better deal, most of them will buy it in preference to an American-made product,

The pressing question is how to make the incentives work so that they can both maximize profits and employ American at the same time.

330 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:45:32am

re: #306 reine.de.tout

Also-- in re: that info on the City of London, you probably already know this but that doesn't mean all of London. It means a section of it, the section which is basically their financial district. She isn't likely (I wouldn't think) to be staying in that area of spending a great deal of time there (if any). It's tiny.

331 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:46:32am

re: #322 RogueOne

I tend to agree. OTOH, no one has done a better job integrating people from all over the racial/economic spectrum. Plus, they do a much better job taking care of the low ranking enlisted types than they did in the past so it has had some benefits.

I don't know anything about the military other than the remarkable job they do chasing down terrorists and relieving quake victims...seems to me it should pay extremely well with primo bennies

332 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:46:42am

re: #324 albusteve

I sent my daughter to Rome for most of the summer before her senior year in college...she spent about three days in London on her way there and it was the highlight of the entire trip for her...never been over myself, but she's an established traveler

Wow, lucky girl! Sounds great! I haven't been to Rome yet myself. Maybe later this year, depending.
Hope you're feeling better today, albusteve.

333 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:46:47am

re: #306 reine.de.tout

Morning everyone!
Reine, my cousin's son just got home from a semester in London. He had a great time and had no problems at all.
I would just make sure she has a return ticket she can change anytime if need be. Expensive, but worth the price of peace.

334 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:47:56am

Oh, DAMMIT.
The cat has found a live lizard. Inside.
Last time this happened, I thought the lizard was dead and got out the vacuum cleaner - right before the lizard got sucked into the machine, it moved.

I don't want to do that to another live lizard. Neither do I particularly want to catch the lizard in my hands to put him outside.

Hells bells.

335 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:47:58am

re: #327 reine.de.tout

toss in a couple dozen pubs...my dad loved drinking in Ireland with those folks

336 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:49:05am

re: #334 reine.de.tout

Oh, DAMMIT.
The cat has found a live lizard. Inside.
Last time this happened, I thought the lizard was dead and got out the vacuum cleaner - right before the lizard got sucked into the machine, it moved.

I don't want to do that to another live lizard. Neither do I particularly want to catch the lizard in my hands to put him outside.

Hells bells.

LOL, Fran, he won't eat much. Just scoot him onto a piece of paper and let him out!

337 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:49:31am

re: #335 albusteve

toss in a couple dozen pubs...my dad loved drinking in Ireland with those folks

heheh-
I'm sure they'll hit some pubs.

Last summer she visited Berlin (among other cities) and LOVED Berlin. And the kids did indeed manage to find a few places to get a drink.

She loved Berlin and Prague, but HATED Paris.

338 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:49:36am

re: #332 iceweasel

Wow, lucky girl! Sounds great! I haven't been to Rome yet myself. Maybe later this year, depending.
Hope you're feeling better today, albusteve.

so far, so good thanks

339 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:50:02am

re: #336 CapeCoddah

LOL, Fran, he won't eat much. Just scoot him onto a piece of paper and let him out!

EWWW - no!

340 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:51:30am

re: #327 reine.de.tout

Dream of a trip, it looks like to me.

WOW! Looks terrific! The Ring of Kerry is gorgeous!
If it makes you feel better too, I can tell you firsthand that the security in Shannon and Dublin airports is top-notch. The London airports too.

341 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:51:32am

re: #339 reine.de.tout

LOL! EWW what?... they aren't slimy, don't bite, just scramble pretty quickly. I would think you, of all people would be over your fear of LIZARDS!

342 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:51:56am

Hello Liazrd nation. As usual I'm at the overnight thread in the am. That road looks icy!But not for too long we are going out on a photo run today, not even sure where to yet. Trying to take advantage of clear air, dramatic "partly cloudy" skies and some vistas. If we get just a bit lucky with the sky anyway.
Starting in LA, where to? Hmmm. Winter Picnic!

343 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:52:31am

re: #329 ralphieboy

American businesses go wherever they can maximize profits. That is how our global economy works. American consumers also seek to maximize their cost/benefit ratio, if an imported product is a better deal, most of them will buy it in preference to an American-made product,

The pressing question is how to make the incentives work so that they can both maximize profits and employ American at the same time.

American consumers will also shell out more of their hard earned money for top quality merchandise. This is how the Japanese automakers were able to capitalize on the auto market. In the current economic climate, I think more and more people are turning away from the "throw away" mentality that has gripped this nation for decades. American based companies, by building high quality, "built to last" products can grab a portion of this market and genuinely compete with the cheaper, low cost, but also low quality alternatives. A decrease in corporate taxes would allow them to function more efficiently and pass the savings on to you. High quality products build brand loyalty. I'll admit, it's a long process but providing the tax incentives for businesses to remain here coupled with a phylosophy of quality would go a long way towards creating jobs and bringing prosperity back to America.

344 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:52:34am

re: #334 reine.de.tout

You might be able to sweep him into a box, or get some gloves on...

345 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:52:47am

re: #337 reine.de.tout

heheh-
I'm sure they'll hit some pubs.

Last summer she visited Berlin (among other cities) and LOVED Berlin. And the kids did indeed manage to find a few places to get a drink.

She loved Berlin and Prague, but HATED Paris.

Why did she hate Paris??

346 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:52:53am

re: #334 reine.de.tout

Oh we had this issue once but with a possum that got in.

347 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:55:07am

re: #331 albusteve

I don't know anything about the military other than the remarkable job they do chasing down terrorists and relieving quake victims...seems to me it should pay extremely well with primo bennies

Speaking from experience (a member of the officer corps), they pay us pretty well and the benefits are great. I think they need to pay the enlisted personnel a lot more for the job they do but thanks in large part to MOAA and other organizations, this is slowly getting rectified.

348 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:55:50am

re: #337 reine.de.tout

One of my best friends hated Paris also.. said it was filthy and the people very very rude.
The public toilet facilities horrified her.

349 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:56:44am

re: #345 iceweasel

Why did she hate Paris??

There were french people EVERYWHERE.

350 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:57:12am

re: #343 Jetpilot1101


That's why I said that consumers would go for "the best deal" instead of just "the lowest price", the two are not synonymous.

Japan was just in an advantageous position in the early 70's (and again in the 90's): they were building small, fuel-efficient cars, the kind that American car manufacturers had decided not to bother producing.

351 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:57:21am

re: #349 RogueOne

There were french people EVERYWHERE.

Heh. Upding. I kind of suspected that might be the reason...

352 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:57:27am

OMG!

For those who still aren't quite awake this morning, here's the cure:

353 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:58:35am

re: #347 Jetpilot1101

Speaking from experience (a member of the officer corps), they pay us pretty well and the benefits are great. I think they need to pay the enlisted personnel a lot more for the job they do but thanks in large part to MOAA and other organizations, this is slowly getting rectified.

that is tax money well spent...btw, when I demonize the feds, I do not mean our military

354 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:58:48am

re: #349 RogueOne

BTW, did you see this? WTF is Gillespie thinking?

355 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:58:53am

If you thought Charo was just a goofy Hispanic bimbo, get a load of this:

Charo...smokin' an acoustic guitar

356 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:59:10am

Watching Bottle shock (2008) Showtime
The perfect movie about Napa Valley

357 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:59:31am

re: #354 iceweasel

He's thinking "Am I dizzy yet?"

358 CapeCoddah  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:00:34am

re: #355 Boogberg

Charo is a talented musician, and isn't she about 80 now?

359 generalsparky  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:00:34am

re: #322 RogueOne

The military is great for getting yourself out of a poor area. Even enlisted pay is nice and there are a lot of freebies/benefits that really increase how far your income really goes. We do quite well on enlisted pay, my husband has moved up fairly quickly and has his bachelor's degree that was paid for almost entirely with 100% tuition assistance.

My kids have spent most of their young lives living on military installations and I love how diverse their friends and our friends are. Much more diverse than if we lived in my small town or even where my husband grew up in Dallas (Highland Park.)

360 simoom  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:01:46am

I was just reading this Politico article on Glenn Beck's documentary on "the true unseen history of Marxism, progressivism and communism" (featuring Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Che Guevara). Titled "The Revolutionary Holocaust: Live Free...or Die," it premiered yesterday on Fox News Channel.

This bit from National Review's Jonah Goldberg, who participated in Beck's documentary, was particularly idiotic:

Goldberg, reached before the show aired, described what he'd seen of it as "very hard-hitting."

But that doesn't mean he believes the historical arguments are meant to infer that the current Democratic regime could commit atrocities on the level of Hitler or Stalin. "If they're trying to make the case that Obama's going to lead to anything like the 65 million killed or the concentration camps, I'd be the first to condemn it," Goldberg said.

The only way that makes any sense is if Jonah has never watched Glenn Beck's show. Beck constantly is suggesting/implying the above -- and it's obviously the entire reason the documentary was produced and aired.

361 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:03:27am

re: #343 Jetpilot1101

American consumers will also shell out more of their hard earned money for top quality merchandise. This is how the Japanese automakers were able to capitalize on the auto market. In the current economic climate, I think more and more people are turning away from the "throw away" mentality that has gripped this nation for decades. American based companies, by building high quality, "built to last" products can grab a portion of this market and genuinely compete with the cheaper, low cost, but also low quality alternatives. A decrease in corporate taxes would allow them to function more efficiently and pass the savings on to you. High quality products build brand loyalty. I'll admit, it's a long process but providing the tax incentives for businesses to remain here coupled with a phylosophy of quality would go a long way towards creating jobs and bringing prosperity back to America.

I'm the original owner of a 1989 Honda Accord coupe (yes, I'm bragging). I've replaced batteries, bulbs, tires, filters, cv boots, the timing belt and water pump. That's it.

And I get 39 mpg highway 27 mpg city.

I don't think any American car of the same year (or any year) can compare.

362 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:03:34am

re: #360 simoom


This bit from National Review's Jonah Goldberg, who participated in Beck's documentary, was particularly idiotic:

The only way that makes any sense is if Jonah has never watched Glenn Beck's show. Beck constantly is suggesting/implying the above -- and it's obviously the entire reason the documentary was produced and aired.

Jonah Goldberg IS an idiot. And he knows Beck- he's been a guest on Beck. IIRC he was on the infamous show where Beck babbled about cash for clunkers being a way for the gubbmint to spy inside your computer-- and Goldberg agreed with him.

363 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:04:45am

re: #360 simoom

If Obama moved to impose government control over large swather os the financial and automotive industry, it was not out of any socialist convictions, it was simply out of need. the Free market(TM) was no longer functioning and the federal government was the only entity capable of lending assistance.

If Glenn Beck can make money selling his version of events, then, well, that's just how the mass media markets function. More power to him.

364 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:04:56am

re: #358 CapeCoddah

Lol! Hell, I don't know. It's all relative, I guess. I ain't getting any younger myself. :D

365 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:05:51am

re: #363 ralphieboy

If Obama moved to impose government control over large swather os the financial and automotive industry, it was not out of any socialist convictions, it was simply out of need. the Free market(TM) was no longer functioning and the federal government was the only entity capable of lending assistance.

If Glenn Beck can make money selling his version of events, then, well, that's just how the mass media markets function. More power to him.

Chrysler and GM should have folded imo

366 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:06:54am

re: #365 albusteve

Chrysler and GM should have folded imo


They should have been allowed to fold in 1978, instead we bailed them out because no politician had the political will to allow America's flagship industries to founder.

367 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:09:39am

re: #354 iceweasel

BTW, did you see this? WTF is Gillespie thinking?

I'll have to wait to pass judgement until it's released but Gillespie really, really, hates commies and he has an odd sense of humor. There are a lot of people out there who think Beck is some form of libertarian, I don't happen to fall into that camp but I can honestly say I've never seen more than 5 min clips of his show online. All I really know is he's a conspiracy nut, loves graphs, and cries too much.

368 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:10:00am

re: #361 BruceKelly

I'm the original owner of a 1989 Honda Accord coupe (yes, I'm bragging). I've replaced batteries, bulbs, tires, filters, cv boots, the timing belt and water pump. That's it.

And I get 39 mpg highway 27 mpg city.

I don't think any American car of the same year (or any year) can compare.

I own a 2000 Doge Ramm 1500 with 123,000 on it. Thanks to my mechanical savy, it has been relatively pain free from my perspective for the decade I've owned it (one weekend a month and maybe a couple hundred bucks a year on average in parts). With that being said, anyone with no desire to work on vehicles to keep them running would have dumped the thing a long time ago. I've used it as an oppurtunity to learn vehicle maintenance and avoid a car payment for the past 6 years.

369 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:11:53am

re: #366 ralphieboy

They should have been allowed to fold in 1978, instead we bailed them out because no politician had the political will to allow America's flagship industries to founder.

Carter, Obama and the union vote

370 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:11:59am

re: #361 BruceKelly

I think the Accord is an American car built here in a Honda factory.
[Link: corporate.honda.com...]

371 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:12:31am

re: #365 albusteve

Chrysler and GM should have folded imo

That would have dealt an unacceptable blow to union power, though. Bankruptcy would have nullified all contracts - including those signed with the unions - and, well, that would have been bad. For the unions. Maybe not for their membership, who wound up taking the shaft as bad or worse as they would have under a traditional bankruptcy court.

Assuming bankruptcy would have been the ultimate destination if it weren't for the government waving huge wads of cash around. No other auto companies - Ford, Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan, Subaru, Mercedes and on and on- found bankruptcy an appealing option, and didn't require government assistance, either.

372 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:13:10am

Boy, did I miss a lot yesterday, being away from work & having my computer in the shop! Re the NYT article, I'll repeat what I've said before: Tip for consuming the news: If you’ve ever had the press report on something you’re personally knowledgeable about, no doubt you’ve noticed omissions, distortions, errors. Just realize that they do the same thing to things you’re not knowledgeable about, & gird your brains accordingly.

373 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:13:36am

re: #368 Jetpilot1101

Dave Ramsey would consider you wise. I would too.

374 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:14:29am

re: #366 ralphieboy

They should have been allowed to fold in 1978, instead we bailed them out because no politician had the political will to allow America's flagship industries to founder.

Chrysler was the only auto company to take government bailouts in 1978. I was firmly opposed to them at the time, and although Chrysler wound up proving me wrong by not only paying the money back, but paying it back early, it still wasn't a happy solution.

375 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:14:41am

re: #363 ralphieboy

If Obama moved to impose government control over large swather os the financial and automotive industry, it was not out of any socialist convictions, it was simply out of need. the Free market(TM) was no longer functioning and the federal government was the only entity capable of lending assistance.

If Glenn Beck can make money selling his version of events, then, well, that's just how the mass media markets function. More power to him.

The free market is working just fine. The problem is that the Federal government, through their extensive bail out plans over the years, has cultivated a business climate that does not hold anyone accountable. GM and Chrysler should have folded. AIG, GS, Bear Stearn, Lehman, CITI et. al. should have all folded, not just the few that did. All these companies know that they can get away with huge amounts of risk because uncle sam will be there to bail them out if they fail. I say let them fail and maybe they'll be more responsible in the future.

376 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:14:58am

re: #371 SixDegrees

That would have dealt an unacceptable blow to union power, though. Bankruptcy would have nullified all contracts - including those signed with the unions - and, well, that would have been bad. For the unions. Maybe not for their membership, who wound up taking the shaft as bad or worse as they would have under a traditional bankruptcy court.

Assuming bankruptcy would have been the ultimate destination if it weren't for the government waving huge wads of cash around. No other auto companies - Ford, Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan, Subaru, Mercedes and on and on- found bankruptcy an appealing option, and didn't require government assistance, either.

bust 'em up...start over

377 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:15:46am

re: #300 MandyManners

I never saw that one coming.

Consider yourself fortunate.

378 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:16:28am

re: #373 Boogberg

Dave Ramsey would consider you wise. I would too.

Dave Ramsey helped me get out of debt and stay that way. If more folks would listen to him, we'd be in a lot better shape.

379 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:16:40am

re: #376 albusteve

I am one to favor breaking up GM and letting the divisions prevail or not. I think Chevrolet and Cadillac are viable. Could be wrong. But with other divisions not bleeding the overall corporation down, just maybe...

380 generalsparky  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:16:47am

re: #373 Boogberg

Dave Ramsey would consider you wise. I would too.

Dave Ramsey changed my family tree forever :-)

381 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:17:01am

re: #354 iceweasel

BTW, did you see this? WTF is Gillespie thinking?

Hi Ice ... Went back and clipped your posts from yesterday with local London knowledge for me:)

Thanks so much

382 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:17:15am

re: #374 SixDegrees

Chrysler was the only auto company to take government bailouts in 1978. I was firmly opposed to them at the time, and although Chrysler wound up proving me wrong by not only paying the money back, but paying it back early, it still wasn't a happy solution.

a no nonsense tough guy...Lee Iacocca

383 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:17:17am

re: #356 HoosierHoops

Watching Bottle shock (2008) Showtime
The perfect movie about Napa Valley

Recognize Captain Kirk?

384 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:18:16am

re: #368 Jetpilot1101

I own a 2000 Doge Ramm 1500 with 123,000 on it. Thanks to my mechanical savy, it has been relatively pain free from my perspective for the decade I've owned it (one weekend a month and maybe a couple hundred bucks a year on average in parts). With that being said, anyone with no desire to work on vehicles to keep them running would have dumped the thing a long time ago. I've used it as an oppurtunity to learn vehicle maintenance and avoid a car payment for the past 6 years.


Good for you. I've been debt-free for about five years now, and love it. But, I'm going to have to buy another car soon. I don't mind the style points my old Taurus is costing me, but it's three hundred dollaring me to death!

385 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:18:31am

re: #379 Rightwingconspirator

I am one to favor breaking up GM and letting the divisions prevail or not. I think Chevrolet and Cadillac are viable. Could be wrong. But with other divisions not bleeding the overall corporation down, just maybe...

pandering to the unions is flat out unAmerican...unforgivable imo

386 Irish Rose  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:18:48am

Good morning, lizards.

387 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:20:10am

re: #386 Irish Rose

Good morning, lizards.

Howdy Rose

388 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:20:27am

re: #384 The Sanity Inspector

Good for you. I've been debt-free for about five years now, and love it. But, I'm going to have to buy another car soon. I don't mind the style points my old Taurus is costing me, but it's three hundred dollaring me to death!

look at a VW Passat...wowzer

389 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:21:05am

re: #381 _RememberTonyC

Hi Ice ... Went back and clipped your posts from yesterday with local London knowledge for me:)

Thanks so much

Hey TonyC! No problem! A lot of people had a lot of good info on that thread (I knew they would!) -- any other way I can help you please do let me know.
I'll put Jimmah on the case too. Also wozzablog lives there and I think JohnNeverbend is from there, so, lots of sources.
I'd download one of those apps that tracks the exchange rate minute by minute, just to keep an eye on fluctuations. Hella useful if you're making big purchases.

390 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:21:45am

re: #385 albusteve

Agreed. The unions are the byproduct of wages. The real product is cars and trucks. They got it backwards.

391 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:21:52am

re: #385 albusteve

pandering to the unions is flat out unAmerican...unforgivable imo

The unions control a lot of votes. And more importantly, the unions control a hell of a lot of money.

And, with the deal reached under the current Administration, that monetary control has grown substantially with the acquisition of union pension funds, placing billions of dollars of slush into union hands.

392 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:21:59am

re: #386 Irish Rose

Hi Irish!

393 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:22:45am

re: #391 SixDegrees

*pulls hair out*

394 Jetpilot1101  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:23:21am

re: #384 The Sanity Inspector

Good for you. I've been debt-free for about five years now, and love it. But, I'm going to have to buy another car soon. I don't mind the style points my old Taurus is costing me, but it's three hundred dollaring me to death!

Sounds like you have reached equilibrium; the point at which your old car costs you about the same as a new car payment would. Find a decent used Honda or Toyota, pay cash for it and let your Taurus die with dignity.

395 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:23:24am

re: #380 generalsparky

Dave Ramsey changed my family tree forever :-)

If I were Dave Ramsey, I'd first buy a lot of stock in credit card companies, check cashing joints, car title pawnshops, and tax refund lenders. These are the types of companies that he is always warning his listeners against.

Then I'd add the following to my Financial Peace speech:

"Now, do you have a lot of credit card debt? Do you cash checks at any place other than the bank where you have a checking account? Do you borrow against your car's value, or take out tax refund loans? Full disclosure here. I own stock in all those types of companies. I don't need to. I make plenty of money with my speaking and radio gigs, and with my more socially responsible portfolio. But I want you to know that I am invested in these businesses.

"You may well wonder why I would give my money to these parasites, these sharks, that are eating your futures alive. Simple. I want you to get out of debt, same as I've always wanted. And I want you to get mad at your debt, same as I've always wanted. And the best way to do that, I've discovered, is to get mad at yourself for a) getting into all this debt so foolishly, and b) having to pay a short bald guy on the speaking circuit to tell you how to get out. For just a short while, I want you to get mad at me.

"Because now, with my stock holdings in these predatory industries, I am getting even richer than I already am. If nothing about your present sad situation makes you mad, then I want this to make you mad: I am getting you coming and going. I've already got your money to come hear me speak, and maybe buy a book and audio cd, too. If you take the advice I'm giving you tonight, you will be on the road to get out of debt and be able to live like no one else.

"Or you can ignore my advice. You can heave a sigh and say that it's just too hard. You're just not disciplined enough. Your mate would never co-operate. You're in too deep. And on and on and on. You can go back to paying off one credit card with another, taking out second mortgages for grown-up toys and vacations, piddling away your cash flow on car loans and rent-to-own stereos. If you do that, well...I'm still getting rich off of you. Your bad habits are just going to make me richer and richer. I am getting you coming and going, and that makes you not only a bad steward of your finances. It makes you a sucker. A mark. A fish. Take my seminar to heart, and you'll only pay me once. Stay in your bad habits, and you'll keep me farting through silk forever.

"When I'm out on my next vacation, at a gorgeous, exclusive mountain lodge, looking out over the breathtaking view and enjoying the cool, refreshing mountain breezes, know what I'm going to do? I'm going to pull out my blackberry, check my portfolio, throw an extra thousand or two into my fund for my *next* vacation, in just a couple of months or so, and then I'm going to raise my umbrella drink in a toast to you--the undisciplined, spendthrift, whining slob, who's making my wonderful life possible. Here's to you--sucker. Now get mad, and listen up."

That's what I'd say, if I were him.

396 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:23:54am

re: #389 iceweasel

Hey TonyC! No problem! A lot of people had a lot of good info on that thread (I knew they would!) -- any other way I can help you please do let me know.
I'll put Jimmah on the case too. Also wozzablog lives there and I think JohnNeverbend is from there, so, lots of sources.
I'd download one of those apps that tracks the exchange rate minute by minute, just to keep an eye on fluctuations. Hella useful if you're making big purchases.


you're too kind ... I did bookmark an exchange rate conversion site on my other computer, so I will keep an eye on that. Over the next year or so as we plan the trip, I will ask some stupid questions ... so thanks for your help and patience!

397 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:24:13am

re: #321 Rightwingconspirator

I appears belief in God is common among astrophysicists. Political science? Not So Much. Makes perfect sense to me.

I wonder if it's because astrophysicists can see the beginning of infinity yet the political scientists think humanity is the end-all and be-all.

398 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:24:30am

re: #393 Rightwingconspirator

*pulls hair out*

yup...little else pisses me off more than that...the feds are out of control imo

399 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:24:49am

re: #378 Jetpilot1101

Dave Ramsey helped me get out of debt and stay that way. If more folks would listen to him, we'd be in a lot better shape.

If certain elected officials in Washington D.C. would listen, we'd be much better off, nationally.

400 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:25:34am

re: #325 BruceKelly

Corporate taxes are passed on in the form of higher prices for consumers. It's another business expense. Eventually, you're the one paying corporate taxes.

And, we pay sales tax when we buy their products.

401 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:25:41am

re: #394 Jetpilot1101

Sounds like you have reached equilibrium; the point at which your old car costs you about the same as a new car payment would. Find a decent used Honda or Toyota, pay cash for it and let your Taurus die with dignity.

I'm saving for this guy...
Image: 1969CamaroSS.jpg

402 Racer X  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:26:48am

Yay! Bug is gone - pages load much faster today.

403 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:27:26am

Happy Saturday morning everyone. I found out this morning that some friends of mine made it to the finals in the International Blues Challenge in Memphis. My band has been there twice. We never made it to the finals, but we had a great time trying to.

404 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:27:32am

re: #383 austin_blue

Recognize Captain Kirk?

No..But watching a movie about home brings a tear to my eye..
True story about when Napa won a wine tasting with the french in 1973..

405 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:27:36am

re: #397 MandyManners

Exactly.

406 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:28:26am

re: #378 Jetpilot1101

Absolutely. That guy's got it going on.

407 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:28:40am

re: #396 _RememberTonyC

you're too kind ... I did bookmark an exchange rate conversion site on my other computer, so I will keep an eye on that. Over the next year or so as we plan the trip, I will ask some stupid questions ... so thanks for your help and patience!

No problem at all, it's a pleasure. London is a fantastic city, I'm really excited for you both!

408 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:29:36am

re: #386 Irish Rose

Hiya', Rose!

409 generalsparky  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:31:50am

re: #395 The Sanity Inspector

Brilliant! People need to wake up and get mad. A few years ago we bought copies of The Total Money Makeover for all our immediate family for Christmas. Sadly, no one in our family did it. But we have helped a couple of military families do the plan successfully :-)

410 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:32:19am

re: #345 iceweasel

Why did she hate Paris??

Let me count the ways...

In fact, Paris is probably one of the few places left in Europe where one can actually experience culture shock. It fairly floats in the air, waiting for that off-guard moment before sinking its nasty little fangs into the unwary traveler and utterly destroying his or her buzz. It's one of the things about the place that fascinated me years ago, and I've been studying it ever sense.

411 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:32:55am

re: #396 _RememberTonyC

If you smoke, don't be offended if someone offers you a "fag" when you're there.

412 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:35:03am

re: #410 ryannon

Let me count the ways...

In fact, Paris is probably one of the few places left in Europe where one can actually experience culture shock. It fairly floats in the air, waiting for that off-guard moment before sinking its nasty little fangs into the unwary traveler and utterly destroying his or her buzz. It's one of the things about the place that fascinated me years ago, and I've been studying it ever sense.

I'm definitely looking forward to hearing more from you about that!

413 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:36:52am

re: #411 Mad Al-Jaffee

If you smoke, don't be offended if someone offers you a "fag" when you're there.

Don't be surprised if TONY C accepts one

NTTAWWT!!!
///

414 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:37:29am

re: #412 iceweasel

When I visit Paris, I just pretend I am a part of living exhibition in a great oigoing piece of Human Art. it is a feeling that exists in few places in the world, but there it is possible, just sitting at a cafe drinking pernod and watching the passers-by.

415 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:37:30am

re: #404 HoosierHoops

No..But watching a movie about home brings a tear to my eye..
True story about when Napa won a wine tasting with the french in 1973..

The son is the new Captain Kirk. And anything with Alan Rickman in it is worth watching.

416 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:38:57am

re: #409 generalsparky

Brilliant! People need to wake up and get mad. A few years ago we bought copies of The Total Money Makeover for all our immediate family for Christmas. Sadly, no one in our family did it. But we have helped a couple of military families do the plan successfully :-)

I should have bought new glasses before I bought that book

I thought it was Total MONKEY Makeover

Bonzo is waiting for his rouge and lipstick!

417 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:39:37am

re: #395 The Sanity Inspector

Well sure he's selling something. I bought one of his books but so what? It's a market. And I'll need to see evidence that Dave Ramsey invests in paycheck advance companies (low-life scumbags).

418 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:39:48am

I have a friend (fellow blues harp player) who's French. One night we were both at a local bar to hear some music. He had a hard time getting the bartender's attention to order a drink and looked kind of pissed off. I told him "This ain't Paris, service is different here!" He replied, "Oh no, it's much worse in Paris!"

419 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:40:12am

re: #413 sattv4u2

re: #416 sattv4u2

(( I am one disturbed individual!!! )

420 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:40:36am

A pair of British children who lured two other youngsters to a secluded area and subjected them to a horrifying catalog of near-fatal abuse were sentenced to at least five years in custody Friday.

The attackers, 10 and 11 at the time, were convicted of robbing, beating, and stabbing their victims with sticks and bricks. One child, 10, had a sink thrown onto his head, while his nephew, 9, was forced to eat nettles. The violence included sexual degradation, Justice Brian Keith said during the sentencing.

"What it amounted to was torture," Keith told the two boys at the end of their lengthy sentencing hearing at Sheffield Crown Court, in northern England.

The defendants were among the youngest people ever charged with such a serious crime in Britain, where the age of criminal responsibility is 10. Though initially charged with attempted murder, prosecutors accepted guilty pleas to a lesser charge, causing grievous bodily harm.

The attack sparked horrified headlines and a national debate about how children so young could inflict such violence. It stirred memories of the death of James Bulger, a 2-year-old abducted from a shopping center near Liverpool in 1993 by two 10-year-olds who punched him, beat him with bricks and hit him with an iron bar before leaving his body on a railroad track.

Neither the victims nor the children sentenced Friday may be named for legal reasons.

Detectives said the attackers showed no remorse when questioned by police. One allegedly told officers he did it because he was bored.

SNIP

The attackers suffered from a "toxic home life," according to Peter Kelson, who represents the eldest brother. Kelson said his client watched ultra-violent films like the "Saw" series, had access to pornographic DVDs, drank cider, had 10 cigarettes a day and smoked cannabis grown on his father's plot from the age of 9.

SNIP

421 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:41:11am

But why did Paris affect me so deeply? Why did this imperial,
ceremonious, ornamental mass of structures weaken my American refusal
to be impressed, my Jewish skepticism and reticence; why was I such a
sucker for its tones of gray, the patchy bark of its sycamores, and
its bitter-medicine river under the ancient bridges? The place was,
naturally, indifferent to me, a peculiar alien from Chicago. Why did
it take hold of my emotions?

For the soul of a civilized, or even partly civilized,
man, Paris was one of the permanent settings, a theater, if you like,
where the greatest problems of existence might be represented. What
future, if any, was there for this theater? It could not tell you
what to represent. Could anyone in the twentieth century make use of
these unusual opportunities? Americans of my generation crossed the
Atlantic to size up the challenge, to look upon this human, warm,
noble, beautiful, and also proud, morbid, cynical, and treacherous
setting.
- Saul Bellow, _It All Adds Up_, 1983

422 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:43:09am

The Legend of Paris. There is a monster in Paris called the
Literary Tradition. You come from young America stamped with a
respect of it which you have gathered from reading. Professors and
those who have traveled and wish to awe you with the importance of
what they have seen agree that there are impressive arts in Europe
which you must fear and admire. You come to Paris penetrated with
Reverence You read the literary magazines and newspapers. They are
celebrating the centenary of some French writer. They are weeping
over the loss of a never-known-before genius, essentially French in
his virtues, an example of French elegance in style, of French
philosophy, of French wit. You are impressed with the opinion of the
world (as represented by a French critic) towards another great French
writer--they are all great, and they are all French--one thing follows
another. You go to the Sorbonne. The voices there are deep and
solemn, scholarly and elegant. The sound of it alone and the
impeccable intelligence, the impeccable style, are guarantees of
intelligence and wisdom. You are again impressed with the awful
gravity and awful divinity of French literature.

You wander through French streets, where one cafe is followed
by a library, and a library by a cafe, and so on. You wander along
the quays, and you are again impressed by the perpetual presence of
Letters. The Monster swells at every step. It has become immense and
fearful. You have become a little mortal of diminutive importance, a
speechless worshipper. The whole Nation has agreed to deceive you.
The legend arrests the meager flowings of your own pen. It swallows
your individuality. At last you can write home to young America and
say that you are studying Art in the most artistic city, where the
atmosphere is so ideal for growth. Growth of what? Not yourself.
Perhaps the growth of Paris and its Legend.
-- Anais Nin, diary, April 11, 1926

423 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:43:10am

re: #415 austin_blue

The son is the new Captain Kirk. And anything with Alan Rickman in it is worth watching.

It was great watching a movie about Napa Valley...Based in Calistoga..Awesome!

424 Irish Rose  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:43:55am

I have a few friends who go on and on about what a great city Paris is and how much they love the French.

Me? I detest the French.

A sentiment that was brought home to me yet again this past week when the French were bitching about how the US is handling the airport in Haiti and calling our US military personnel occupiers.

425 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:44:35am

re: #417 Boogberg

Well sure he's selling something. I bought one of his books but so what? It's a market. And I'll need to see evidence that Dave Ramsey invests in paycheck advance companies (low-life scumbags).

No, no, no, it's a what-if spoof scenario! Of course he doesn't really do any of that.

426 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:45:10am

re: #348 CapeCoddah

One of my best friends hated Paris also.. said it was filthy and the people very very rude.
The public toilet facilities horrified her.

The city has improved greatly since the middle ages. Today, the sidewalks streets are immaculate to the point where one could eat off them, should one choose. The people (another unfortunate effect of globalization) dress pretty much like everyone else - which is to say boringly and without much individuality. Here and there, and no matter what their socio-economic status, you still find individuals with that old Parisian flair for style, but it's becoming so rare as to be the exception. When I got here (in the Late Middle Ages) it was the rule. I've seen, as it were, the whole thing go to hell. A melancholy experience, but totally in keeping with my borrowed heraldic device: "After Me, the Deluge."

As for the toilets, I've seen worse in my life, and depending on the establishment, range from the perfectly ordinary to 5-star deluxe.

In short, I'd say your friend had a bad case of Parisian culture shock which may have seriously clouded her judgement. Or perhaps she was simply unlucky.

427 Semper Fi  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:46:18am

Good morning, folks. A pleasure to be reading LGF once more.

re: #12 Mich-again

I never understood the reason for a Caution Falling Rocks sign. Whats the point? If you can read the sign the rocks missed your car.


I completely agree something should be done about the sign. When I relocated to CA from Michigan a number of years ago a couple scary experiences taught me it was incorrectly worded and should say:
"Beware of Fallen Rocks"
The danger lies with those rocks sitting in my lane unseen just around that tight curve. I'm all for changing it.

428 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:46:51am

re: #407 iceweasel

No problem at all, it's a pleasure. London is a fantastic city, I'm really excited for you both!

Anyone going to London on a vacation that is not heavily structured (i.e. you've got some free time) should take as many of these walking tours as possible:

[Link: www.walks.com...]

You'll learn more in an hour and a half than you thought possible.

429 Boogberg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:48:01am

re: #425 The Sanity Inspector

Oh crap! lol

That one zoomed right over my head. :D

430 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:48:40am

re: #424 Irish Rose

I fall into my usual category: I like all the French people I know, but there are many things about the French national character I dislike.

431 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:48:45am

re: #422 The Sanity Inspector


-- Anais Nin, diary, April 11, 1926

Heh. We must admit though that Nin had a lot of reasons to resent the French literary establishment. 26 might even be before she met Henry Miller, IIRC.

432 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:52:10am

re: #431 iceweasel

Heh. We must admit though that Nin had a lot of reasons to resent the French literary establishment. 26 might even be before she met Henry Miller, IIRC.

I have to admit that I only rented that movie about her because of certain scenes with Uma Thurman doing stuff I like to see her do.

433 Millicent Islam  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:53:15am

re: #428 austin_blue

Anyone going to London on a vacation that is not heavily structured (i.e. you've got some free time) should take as many of these walking tours as possible:

[Link: www.walks.com...]

You'll learn more in an hour and a half than you thought possible.

This is a really cool book for anyone into the history:
London:the biography
I think they might have turned it into a multi-part BBC series too.

434 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:53:42am

Is the Moonbeam dimming?

For months, Jerry Brown has said he's been in no hurry to declare his candidacy for governor, even as his Republican rivals poured millions of dollars into their gubernatorial campaigns.

That low-key strategy is now sparking concern from some state Democrats, who fear Brown will suffer the same fate as Democrat Martha Coakley. She suffered a crushing upset defeat Tuesday in the Massachusetts U.S. Senate race.

A new Field Poll released today does little to assuage such Democratic worries: It shows the attorney general's lead over Republican candidates Meg Whitman and Steve Poizner shrinking dramatically in just three months.

In a matchup with Whitman, Brown wins the support of 46 percent of likely general election voters while 36 percent back the Republican. In October, Brown's lead over Whitman was more than double the current margin.

Brown's lead over Poizner, the state's insurance commissioner, also shrank, from 25 to 17 percentage points.

Brown's diminishing leads are yet more evidence that he and other Democrats will face strong head winds this election year as voters take out their frustrations about the economy and other issues, said UC San Diego political science professor Thad Kousser.

SNIP

435 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:53:49am

re: #411 Mad Al-Jaffee

If you smoke, don't be offended if someone offers you a "fag" when you're there.

my wife rocks an occasional "fag," so I'll remember that.

436 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:54:14am

re: #432 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have to admit that I only rented that movie about her because of certain scenes with Uma Thurman doing stuff I like to see her do.

breathing and walking and sitting and blinking and ,,,

437 Irish Rose  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:54:25am

MY fiance and I are hoping to be able to do a lot of travelling after we're married... we each have a long list of places that we'd like to visit.

France is not on either one of our lists.

If I die having never visited Paris, I won't have any regrets.

438 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:55:28am

re: #413 sattv4u2

Don't be surprised if TONY C accepts one

NTTAWWT!!!
///

seinfeld comes to LGF ... who knew ...

439 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:56:08am

re: #438 _RememberTonyC

seinfeld comes to LGF ... who knew ...

NEWMAN

440 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:56:40am

re: #420 MandyManners

As much as I hate to say it, that sounds like two truly toxic serial killer children. Not sure they will ever be trustworthy in the mainstream. That might just be killers in waiting. I have no idea if there is any coming back from a mentality like that. No idea.

441 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:56:42am

Time for coffee, tv, take the dog for a walk and everything else I have to do on this lazy Saturday.

Later.

442 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:56:57am

re: #437 Irish Rose

I like Paris. It's really expensive and Parisians are still pretty snooty but they're better than they used to be.

443 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:57:25am

The man accused of killing Wichita abortion doctor George Tiller bought a gun the week before the slaying and practiced shooting it near Topeka the day before Tiller's death, prosecutors said today.

Sedgwick County District Attorney Nola Foulston laid out the prosecution’s case during opening statements of Scott Roeder’s murder trial, describing to jurors the events the morning Tiller was killed.

SNIP

444 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:57:28am

re: #439 sattv4u2

NEWMAN

hello JERRY

445 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:58:06am

re: #430 EmmmieG

I fall into my usual category: I like all the French people I know, but there are many things about the French national character I dislike.

Back in my ex-pat days, I'd work two weeks on and have a week to travel, paid by my company. Mostly North Sea rigs. This was back in the '80s. Paris was lovely if you even attempted to speak the language. If you acted like a typical tourist they'd treat you like an idiot.

Berlin was nuts. Amsterdam was a hoot. But the place to go was Spain. Cheap at the time. Beautiful architecture. Drop dead gorgeous women.

446 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:58:21am

re: #440 Rightwingconspirator

As much as I hate to say it, that sounds like two truly toxic serial killer children. Not sure they will ever be trustworthy in the mainstream. That might just be killers in waiting. I have no idea if there is any coming back from a mentality like that. No idea.

It'd take intensive, in-patient therapy but I don't know if even that would be successful.

447 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:58:38am

re: #424 Irish Rose

I have a few friends who go on and on about what a great city Paris is and how much they love the French.

Me? I detest the French.

A sentiment that was brought home to me yet again this past week when the French were bitching about how the US is handling the airport in Haiti and calling our US military personnel occupiers.

There was an amazing clip on Fox News the other day, from the Port-au-Prince airport. All those aircraft flying in and out are being managed by just a trio of U.S. combat air traffic controllers. And they aren't even in the tower, because it's unsfae. They're sitting beside the tarmace at a folding laminate table.

/ damn, we're good!

448 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:01:25am

re: #447 The Sanity Inspector

There was an amazing clip on Fox News the other day, from the Port-au-Prince airport. All those aircraft flying in and out are being managed by just a trio of U.S. combat air traffic controllers. And they aren't even in the tower, because it's unsfae. They're sitting beside the tarmace at a folding laminate table.

/ damn, we're good!

Wasn't the USAF the first there?

449 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:02:54am

re: #447 The Sanity Inspector

I remember the height of anti-French frenzy when they dared criticize the US invasion of Iraq. But I pointed out to other Americans back then that the French don't care a hoot what the world thinks of them, heck, they hardly care what other Frenchmen think of them.

450 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:04:30am

re: #446 MandyManners

Real dilemma. What to do with a stone killer that is a child.

451 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:06:26am

re: #450 Rightwingconspirator

Real dilemma. What to do with a stone killer that is a child.

I wonder how many animals they've killed.

452 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:06:34am

Oh, this is so very true.

Ask me about the walls, and the curtains, and the rugs...

[Link: punditkitchen.com...]

453 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:07:07am

re: #412 iceweasel

I could write several books. But my lips are sealed. But when you've got the time or the inclination, take a look at Polanski's (no people, I don't want to get into a discussion about him) The Tenant. Few films have ever captured the dark side of The City of Light as brilliantly and as accurately as this one. I can vouch for it - and quite honestly wish I couldn't. I've stayed here because it's quite literally been one damned film after another, with now and then something so perfect that's it has made all the rest worthwhile. It's also a city, a country and a culture which has pretty much saved my soul - and probably my life. I can't hate it, I rarely love it, but I remain married to it. We've both changed greatly over the years but remain faithful to one another. I more than she, perhaps, but only a fool would attempt to impose the expectation of exclusivity upon the brilliance and capriciousness of such a quintessentially feminine place.

454 Racer X  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:08:39am

re: #424 Irish Rose

I have a few friends who go on and on about what a great city Paris is and how much they love the French.

Me? I detest the French.

A sentiment that was brought home to me yet again this past week when the French were bitching about how the US is handling the airport in Haiti and calling our US military personnel occupiers.

The diplomatic asshole who made those comments received a reprimand. President Sarkozy apologized, and praised American aid efforts in Haiti. Plus Sarkozy really dislikes Obama. Did I mention that was a plus?

455 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:09:35am

re: #451 MandyManners
Ugh. I shudder.
Let's cheer up shall we?
Myself and my lady are off shortly to take in the winter sights up along the 14, and 395 California highways. We'll stop somewhere, have a hot rum, eat and relax a couple hours.

456 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:12:14am

re: #455 Rightwingconspirator

Ugh. I shudder.
Let's cheer up shall we?
Myself and my lady are off shortly to take in the winter sights up along the 14, and 395 California highways. We'll stop somewhere, have a hot rum, eat and relax a couple hours.

Sounds like a great time!

457 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:12:19am

For those wondering about what really happened in the stock market this week (Hint: It's not Obama's radical socialism against the banks)...
Earnings only part of the story for U.S. stock market

As of Friday afternoon, 92 companies in the S&P 500 Index /quotes/comstock/21z!i1:inx (SPX 1,092, -24.72, -2.21%) had reported fourth-quarter results, with 78% beating expectations for the bottom line, 4% matching and 17% falling under consensus forecasts, Thomson Reuters data showed.

The 78% figure is unusually high, compared with the 15-year average of 61% of S&P 500 companies topping expectations, according to John Butters, director of U.S. earnings research at Thomson Reuters.
...
"When you see stocks sell off on positive earnings surprises, it is a sign that much of the good news is already baked in," said Marc Pado, U.S. market strategist at Cantor Fitzgerald.

458 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:12:30am

re: #455 Rightwingconspirator

Ugh. I shudder.
Let's cheer up shall we?
Myself and my lady are off shortly to take in the winter sights up along the 14, and 395 California highways. We'll stop somewhere, have a hot rum, eat and relax a couple hours.

Enjoy!

459 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:12:47am

re: #455 Rightwingconspirator

Send her my regards, please.

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:13:24am

re: #449 ralphieboy

I remember the height of anti-French frenzy when they dared criticize the US invasion of Iraq. But I pointed out to other Americans back then that the French don't care a hoot what the world thinks of them, heck, they hardly care what other Frenchmen think of them.

France is France. You can't take them personally.

I don't know--maybe I'm just too much a product of the English-language literary and political tradition--but France just doesn't interest me that much. I don't like the food. I don't like the language. The culture doesn't interest me.

Eh, gimme Italy any day.

461 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:14:12am

re: #445 austin_blue

Back in my ex-pat days, I'd work two weeks on and have a week to travel, paid by my company. Mostly North Sea rigs. This was back in the '80s. Paris was lovely if you even attempted to speak the language. If you acted like a typical tourist they'd treat you like an idiot.

Berlin was nuts. Amsterdam was a hoot. But the place to go was Spain. Cheap at the time. Beautiful architecture. Drop dead gorgeous women.

I'd love to go to Spain someday just to see the Antoni Gaudi buildings. He could only have flourished in a place like pre-Franco Spain. The English would have pegged him as an eccentric and consigned him to desinging country houses. The French would have gone into ecstasies of theorizing, but would have been mindful of how little his work promoted "La Gloire". And as for Germany, who could imagine Bismarck and Kaiser Wilhelm living in ice cream palaces?

462 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:14:54am

re: #449 ralphieboy

I remember the height of anti-French frenzy when they dared criticize the US invasion of Iraq. But I pointed out to other Americans back then that the French don't care a hoot what the world thinks of them, heck, they hardly care what other Frenchmen think of them.

They are at each other's throats all the time. On most levels, it's still basically a tribal society composed of concentric and heavily guarded circles of family and friends. Little room for those outside these circles - you'll be tolerated as a visitor but never a member.

463 Semper Fi  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:15:02am

re: #368 Jetpilot1101

I own a 2000 Doge Ramm 1500 with 123,000 on it. Thanks to my mechanical savy, it has been relatively pain free from my perspective for the decade I've owned it (one weekend a month and maybe a couple hundred bucks a year on average in parts). With that being said, anyone with no desire to work on vehicles to keep them running would have dumped the thing a long time ago. I've used it as an oppurtunity to learn vehicle maintenance and avoid a car payment for the past 6 years.

Just a quicky to brag about my Volvo. It's a 1991 with 432,000 + miles. Four cylinder engine and I can always count on +/-23mpg depending the terrain. Couple years ago I was bragging to an acquaintance who remarked, "I don't doubt it. My neighbor has a Volvo with more than 700,000 miles. He's in sales and loves that car."
Done bragging.

464 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:15:45am

re: #459 MandyManners

She is right here, and sends her best to you and the rest of the good folks here.

Signing off, waaay off.

465 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:17:03am

Somewhere in Oklahoma last week
Image: twilight-highway.jpg

466 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:17:17am

re: #460 SanFranciscoZionist

France is France. You can't take them personally.

I don't know--maybe I'm just too much a product of the English-language literary and political tradition--but France just doesn't interest me that much. I don't like the food. I don't like the language. The culture doesn't interest me.

Eh, gimme Italy any day.

Apples and oranges.

I appreciate both.

467 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:18:10am

re: #461 The Sanity Inspector

I'd love to go to Spain someday just to see the Antoni Gaudi buildings. He could only have flourished in a place like pre-Franco Spain. The English would have pegged him as an eccentric and consigned him to desinging country houses. The French would have gone into ecstasies of theorizing, but would have been mindful of how little his work promoted "La Gloire". And as for Germany, who could imagine Bismarck and Kaiser Wilhelm living in ice cream palaces?

this god awful monstrosity?...
Image: File:Sagrada_Familia_02.jpg

468 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:18:51am

re: #457 Killgore Trout

And as Paul Harvey would say

Now ,, for the REST of the story

Companies have been lowering their earning expectations for the last couple of quarters based on higher unemployment, so to "beat" those lowered expectations os not unusual

(HP,, USF ,,, NOKIA ,, amongst others)

[Link: www.google.com...]

469 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:18:58am

My one exception to my total lack of interest in things French is that I am a perfume buff. I can live without those classic Guerlains. Hermes tends to smell like bug spray to me, with a few exceptions. But Chanel, and Balmain, Gres and Piguet...

DAMN.

470 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:19:53am

re: #467 albusteve

this god awful monstrosity?...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

We'll nuke it right off the map someday, Steve!

And all the other creations of that Satanic demon!

471 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:20:57am

re: #449 ralphieboy

I remember the height of anti-French frenzy when they dared criticize the US invasion of Iraq. But I pointed out to other Americans back then that the French don't care a hoot what the world thinks of them, heck, they hardly care what other Frenchmen think of them.

What rankled most about their attitude back then was that it was Day-Glo obvious that they were just trying to rescue their customer, Saddam. Principle had nothing to do with it.

472 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:21:27am

re: #469 SanFranciscoZionist

My one exception to my total lack of interest in things French is that I am a perfume buff. I can live without those classic Guerlains. Hermes tends to smell like bug spray to me, with a few exceptions. But Chanel, and Balmain, Gres and Piguet...

DAMN.

They are the last to use real floral essences instead of (partially, anyway) chemicals.

473 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:22:10am

re: #470 ryannon

We'll nuke it right off the map someday, Steve!

And all the other creations of that Satanic demon!

stuff like that has to be built...but to consider it a magnificent work of architecture is a bit of a stretch

474 Semper Fi  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:24:40am

re: #384 The Sanity Inspector

Good for you. I've been debt-free for about five years now, and love it. But, I'm going to have to buy another car soon. I don't mind the style points my old Taurus is costing me, but it's three hundred dollaring me to death!

May I suggest taking a good look at Hundai. Just sayin'.

476 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:25:29am

re: #472 ryannon

They are the last to use real floral essences instead of (partially, anyway) chemicals.

There are some American and Japanese niche houses reviving natural perfumery, but no one else will ever create Bois des Iles, or Bandit.

And the generations of know-how that come out of the old French perfume companies are unrivaled.

477 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:26:19am

re: #468 sattv4u2

The rest of the earnings are out next week so things should clam down after that. It's been quite a remarkable 12 months. The Dow is up something like 30-35%. That's a pretty amazing year. some corrections are inevitable.

478 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:26:51am

re: #470 ryannon

No, a work of genius.

"Originality is a return to the Origen."

—Antonio Gaudi

479 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:28:16am

re: #473 albusteve

Whether one likes it or not, the amazing thing is that the guy essentially built it himself - and died before it was finished. A total labor of love.

For another look at what he did, you might be more comfortable with his apartment buildings - inside and art, they really are works of art:

Image: spain-casa-la-pedrera.jpg

480 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:28:35am

Ack! Had to take care of the lizard then go to Pilates class.

re: #344 Rightwingconspirator

You might be able to sweep him into a box, or get some gloves on...

Duaghter got him, brought him outside. It was alive, but in shock.

re: #345 iceweasel

Why did she hate Paris??

She said it smelled bad. That's the only reason she gave, but she really didn't like it.


re: #348 CapeCoddah

One of my best friends hated Paris also.. said it was filthy and the people very very rude.
The public toilet facilities horrified her.

This was a group of high-schoolers. I got the impression they were amazed and amused at the public toilet facilities.

481 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:29:52am

re: #478 Ojoe

No, a work of genius.

"Originality is a return to the Origen."

—Antonio Gaudi

I totally agree with you, Joe.

482 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:30:04am

re: #479 ryannon

Whether one likes it or not, the amazing thing is that the guy essentially built it himself - and died before it was finished. A total labor of love.

For another look at what he did, you might be more comfortable with his apartment buildings - inside and art, they really are works of art:

[Link: www.destination360.com...]

interesting, and much easier on the eyes

483 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:30:17am

re: #471 The Sanity Inspector

What rankled most about their attitude back then was that it was Day-Glo obvious that they were just trying to rescue their customer, Saddam. Principle had nothing to do with it.

Yes, it was as abvious as the WMD's and the Al-Qaeda links, but that's international politics. Germany's Gerd Schröder won his re-election campaign opposing the war as well, and that was obviously just him playing to his constituency.

484 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:32:23am

re: #481 ryannon

There are many cathedrals to finish & someday when the madness departs from humanity they will be finished.

485 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:32:30am

re: #478 Ojoe

No, a work of genius.

"Originality is a return to the Origen."

—Antonio Gaudi

Just imagine what he could have done with modern building materials.

486 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:34:41am

re: #485 The Sanity Inspector

Yes, better things than Gehry, whose buildings look like tumors.

487 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:34:50am

re: #484 Ojoe

There are many cathedrals to finish & someday when the madness departs from humanity they will be finished.

From your lips to God's ear, Joe.

488 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:35:30am

re: #486 Ojoe

Yes, better things than Gehry, whose buildings look like tumors.

Oh dear.

489 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:35:33am

re: #484 Ojoe

There are many cathedrals to finish & someday when the madness departs from humanity they will be finished.

all that wealth, and for what?

490 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:35:51am

re: #487 ryannon

I believe some day it will happen.

491 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:36:25am

Morning Lizards!

How is life today?

492 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:37:08am

re: #489 albusteve

Better the wealth belongs to everyone, embodied in a magnificent work of art open to all, than held in secret bank accounts or used to bail out failed institutions.

493 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:37:33am

re: #477 Killgore Trout

The rest of the earnings are out next week so things should clam down after that. It's been quite a remarkable 12 months. The Dow is up something like 30-35%. That's a pretty amazing year. some corrections are inevitable.

I'm not happy with the volitility. "Corrections" are one thing, but weeks of 500 up, 300 down are too skittish

ALSO ,, PREDICTION ,, the admin will be able to start crowing about the how the new claims for uneployemnt are dropping drastically

They will be correct, but the reason will NOT be the "stimulus" as they will claim, it will be because companies have no more jobs to shed!

494 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:38:06am

re: #489 albusteve

all that wealth, and for what?

To remind us of the wealth of our own spirits!

Disneyland just isn't going to cut it.

(Looks around himself and adds, "Well, for some of us, anyway...")

495 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:38:58am

re: #370 Rightwingconspirator

I think the Accord is an American car built here in a Honda factory.
[Link: corporate.honda.com...]


You're right. Mine was built in Ohio. One of, if not the first, Honda factory in America.

496 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:39:33am

re: #486 Ojoe

Yes, better things than Gehry, whose buildings look like tumors.

Take that back, Joe!

You can't possibly mean it!

497 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:40:08am
498 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:40:55am

re: #496 ryannon

I don't like his stuff. Well it is illogical, I will say that & not tumeric.

499 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:41:04am

re: #495 BruceKelly

You're right. Mine was built in Ohio. One of, if not the first, Honda factory in America.

the two best cars I ever owned, Accords...had an 02 6cyl coup, man I loved that thing...fast and smooth

500 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:41:54am
501 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:42:12am

re: #498 Ojoe

I don't like his stuff. Well it is illogical, I will say that & not tumeric.

We're living in an age of illogic. He does that well - and still more, with great mastery and style.

502 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:42:56am

re: #501 ryannon

I am too retro for this age then.

503 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:43:31am

All this talk of architecture, I can't help thinking of the Fountainhead.

504 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:43:40am

re: #497 Ojoe

The nave of the Cathedral of Amiens

Cam-corder shot today?

505 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:44:17am

re: #504 MandyManners

I wish. No vacations until the economy improves.

506 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:44:43am

Everyone get their H1N1?

507 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:45:06am

BBL

508 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:46:26am

re: #368 Jetpilot1101

I own a 2000 Doge Ramm 1500 with 123,000 on it. Thanks to my mechanical savy, it has been relatively pain free from my perspective for the decade I've owned it (one weekend a month and maybe a couple hundred bucks a year on average in parts). With that being said, anyone with no desire to work on vehicles to keep them running would have dumped the thing a long time ago. I've used it as an oppurtunity to learn vehicle maintenance and avoid a car payment for the past 6 years.

I do a lot of my own work also. A lot of people just don't want to get there hands dirty anymore. I haven't made a car payment since 1995. Tax and registration on my '89 Accord is $45.00 a year and comprehensive insurance cost me less than $500.00 a year.

I'm going to drive this little buggy into the dirt. At the rate I'm going that should occur sometime around 2035.

509 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:46:40am

re: #500 Killgore Trout

25 Clever Exam Answers

Goodness gracious!

510 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:47:01am

re: #505 Ojoe

I wish. No vacations until the economy improves.

How about one of California?

511 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:47:24am

re: #508 BruceKelly

I do a lot of my own work also. A lot of people just don't want to get there hands dirty anymore. I haven't made a car payment since 1995. Tax and registration on my '89 Accord is $45.00 a year and comprehensive insurance cost me less than $500.00 a year.

I'm going to drive this little buggy into the dirt. At the rate I'm going that should occur sometime around 2035.

the feds will take it away from you long before that!

512 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:47:59am

re: #509 MandyManners

Yeah, there's some pretty funny stuff in there.

513 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:48:00am
514 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:48:27am

re: #502 Ojoe

I am too retro for this age then.

No, it's like anything else: we can't possibly appreciate everything. And I admit, some of Gehry's work is much weaker than other examples.

515 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:48:42am

I bet Judy's a jewel for that teacher.

516 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:51:17am

re: #511 albusteve

the feds will take it away from you long before that!

Ha! I'll hide it, along with my my ammo, whiskey, cans of Spam and bags of silver coins.

517 Semper Fi  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:52:04am

re: #506 ggt

Everyone get their H1N1?

Thanks for the reminder. I'll look into that on monday.

519 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:54:13am

re: #516 BruceKelly

Ha! I'll hide it, along with my my ammo, whiskey, cans of Spam and bags of silver coins.

TP...don't forget toilet paper...stuff will be priceless

520 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:54:15am

the official site: vaccinate your baby

521 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:54:24am

re: #500 Killgore Trout

25 Clever Exam Answers

That's one for the favorites folder.

522 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:54:46am

gotta go for now

bbl

523 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:55:09am

re: #517 Semper Fi

Thanks for the reminder. I'll look into that on monday.

You can get it at Walgreens, all weekend long.

524 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:57:24am

i know how to pay for health care, reduce crime, and make a lot of people very happy. in the "Lizard Platform of 2012" we should add this plank ...

Legalize weed and tax the shit out of it. Sell a pack of 20 for $100 and use $50 to fund health care.

525 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:58:18am

re: #518 ggt

Good for her!

526 SteveC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:00:28am

re: #506 ggt

Everyone get their H1N1?

Booked it and DONE, the first weekend they were available here (Halloween). My Cardiologist insisted.

527 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:01:05am

re: #519 albusteve

TP...don't forget toilet paper...stuff will be priceless

ooh... thanks for the reminder. The indigenous organic material here in Colorado could cause a serious of butthurt.

How are you doing today Steve?

528 SteveC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:01:52am

re: #527 BruceKelly

ooh... thanks for the reminder. The indigenous organic material here in Colorado could cause a serious of butthurt.

How are you doing today Steve?

Which Steve? Me? I am very good, thank you!

529 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:01:56am

Cat Confrontation / Mimi Interview

530 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:02:31am

re: #339 reine.de.tout

Hi Reine, how are you? I was hoping you could give us a page view count tomorrow like you did when the LAT article ran. If I remember right, it was an increase of about 200,000. Thanks!

531 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:04:50am

re: #528 SteveC

Which Steve? Me? I am very good, thank you!

Actually I was asking albusteve, but you'll do. Glad to here it!

nosarc

532 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:05:56am

re: #518 ggt

An actress who BELIEVES vaccinations are a good thing and urges parents to get them for their children.

For those who desire an actress' guidance on childrearing?

(I know what you mean; we take solace in whatever scraps come.)

Oh, 'morning y'all.

533 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:07:17am

does anyone here live in the southwest ?

534 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:08:49am

re: #530 prairiefire

Hi Reine, how are you? I was hoping you could give us a page view count tomorrow like you did when the LAT article ran. If I remember right, it was an increase of about 200,000. Thanks!

Here you go:

Now Online: 2,376
Logged in: 93
Today
Page Views: 27,222
Visits: 21,542
Yesterday
Page Views: 80,004
Visits: 58,458
Comments: 8,043,810
Today: 485
Yesterday: 2,839

You can always find this yourself - click the triangle next to "statistics" in the list underneath the log-in box

535 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:08:50am

re: #524 _RememberTonyC

I saw where someone in California proposed just that, a $50/oz. tax on legalized weed.

I doubt that it'd take an ounce to make a pack of twenty. I'm not sure that there is an ounce of tobacco in a pack of Camels.

536 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:08:58am

re: #506 ggt

Everyone get their H1N1?

I finally got my shot. At the local drugstore. While the county was still stating they had none, but were scheduling another of their gigantic clusterfuck mass immunization at some indeterminate time in the future, where they planned to pack people into a small space together for several hours without promising they would have any vaccine available by the time you slogged through the line.

The drugstore also had ordinary flu shots available, and advised me that I qualified for a TB vaccine, something I had never heard of but happily took anyway.

In the end, I can probably wade through raw sewage now without ill effects, and have come to believe that government-administered health care utterly, totally and without question sucks.

537 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:10:08am

re: #533 _RememberTonyC

does anyone here live in the southwest ?

albusteve

(New Mexico)

538 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:10:15am

re: #536 SixDegrees

I finally got my shot. At the local drugstore. While the county was still stating they had none, but were scheduling another of their gigantic clusterfuck mass immunization at some indeterminate time in the future, where they planned to pack people into a small space together for several hours without promising they would have any vaccine available by the time you slogged through the line.

The drugstore also had ordinary flu shots available, and advised me that I qualified for a TB vaccine, something I had never heard of but happily took anyway.

In the end, I can probably wade through raw sewage now without ill effects, and have come to believe that government-administered health care utterly, totally and without question sucks.

My experience was a bit different but no less a clusterfuck.
I did finally get my h1n1 shot.

539 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:10:53am

BBL. I've gotta do all that stuff I didn't do yesterday because I spent too much time hanging out with lizards.

Cool site in your profile SteveC, I'll give it a good read when I get a chance.

540 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:11:03am

Jean Simmons has passed away at age 80.

541 SteveC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:11:29am

re: #539 BruceKelly

BBL. I've gotta do all that stuff I didn't do yesterday because I spent too much time hanging out with lizards.

Cool site in your profile SteveC, I'll give it a good read when I get a chance.

Thanks!

542 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:11:32am

re: #535 razorbacker

I saw where someone in California proposed just that, a $50/oz. tax on legalized weed.

I doubt that it'd take an ounce to make a pack of twenty. I'm not sure that there is an ounce of tobacco in a pack of Camels.


just making it legal means our govt can use the revenue from a hefty tax to pay for things. and it puts many illegal drug dealers out of business. and crime is also reduced.

543 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:11:41am

re: #518 ggt

An actress who BELIEVES vaccinations are a good thing and urges parents to get them for their children.

Amanda Peet's smoking hotness just increased by several dozen degrees.

544 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:12:03am

re: #534 reine.de.tout

You can always find this yourself - click the triangle next to "statistics" in the list underneath the log-in box

I'm also going to suggest that anyone who has not explored the information in the list under the upper-left log-in box, do so.

There's all sorts of interesting stuff there.

545 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:12:49am

re: #544 reine.de.tout

Thanks, Reine.

546 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:13:57am

re: #537 sattv4u2

albusteve

(New Mexico)

is he on line?

547 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:15:16am

re: #542 _RememberTonyC

just making it legal means our govt can use the revenue from a hefty tax to pay for things. and it puts many illegal drug dealers out of business. and crime is also reduced.

As I recall, for years the only federal objection to pot was that you hadn't bought your federal tax stamp. The fly in the ointment was that when you bought the stamp they told the individual state, where it was illegal.

Now, of course, it's federally illegal, too.

Lots of things are now federal crimes that used not to be.

548 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:15:26am

re: #540 prairiefire

Didn't know he was that old, I guess i will never get to see another KISS reunion concert...

549 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:15:27am

I wish somebody would figure out a vaccine for the common cold (all two million or so of them).

I'm going to take a nap, bbl.

550 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:15:28am

re: #540 prairiefire

Jean Simmons has passed away at age 80.

[Video]

She was great as that meglomaniacal investigator in that Start Trek episode.

551 SteveC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:15:55am

re: #543 SixDegrees

Amanda Peet's smoking hotness just increased by several dozen degrees.

*GIS Amanda Peet*

Well! I see what you mean!

552 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:16:13am

re: #549 reine.de.tout

I wish somebody would figure out a vaccine for the common cold (all two million or so of them).

I'm going to take a nap, bbl.

It'd be done tomorrow if the drug companies didn't have all that OTC medicine to sell.

553 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:17:17am

re: #547 razorbacker

As I recall, for years the only federal objection to pot was that you hadn't bought your federal tax stamp. The fly in the ointment was that when you bought the stamp they told the individual state, where it was illegal.

Now, of course, it's federally illegal, too.

Lots of things are now federal crimes that used not to be.

true dat ... but to pay for things we want, sometimes "out of the box" thinking is needed.

554 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:17:27am

re: #548 ralphieboy

Jean, Gene.

What's the difference, really?

They both worked in makeup, after all.

555 SteveC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:17:36am

re: #548 ralphieboy

Didn't know he was that old, I guess i will never get to see another KISS reunion concert...

*WHAP*

JEAN Simmons, the actress, not GENE Simmons, Dr. Pepper purveyor!

556 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:20:40am

re: #546 _RememberTonyC

is he on line?

albusteve is logged in, and I am also in NM. What's up? (I'm in and out...should be working, not posting.)

557 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:21:34am

re: #556 wrenchwench

albusteve is logged in, and I am also in NM. What's up? (I'm in and out...should be working, not posting.)

are you guys feeling any impact of Mexican drug activity?

558 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:22:04am

re: #556 wrenchwench

albusteve is logged in, and I am also in NM. What's up? (I'm in and out...should be working, not posting.)

Sez who?

559 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:22:41am

maybe that's why he is not respondingre: #557 _RememberTonyC

are you guys feeling any impact of Mexican drug activity?

maybe that's why he is not responding...

560 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:23:29am

re: #559 ralphieboy

maybe that's why he is not responding

maybe that's why he is not responding...

that would totally suck

561 SteveC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:24:22am

re: #559 ralphieboy

maybe that's why he is not responding...

Post of the week!

562 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:25:02am

re: #508 BruceKelly

It is my contention, based on personal experience, that you can easily drive a modern automobile at least 200,000 miles if you simply change oil every 4K miles, change differential grease at 100,000 miles, change transmission fluid every 60,000 miles, change the serpentine belt at 100,000, and change the spark plugs at 100,000 miles.

Cars have come a long way since I started messing around with them back in the '60s.

563 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:25:58am

re: #557 _RememberTonyC

are you guys feeling any impact of Mexican drug activity?

I've been posting links about it for a couple of years. In a word, yes. I don't see it day-to-day, but I know what's going on there and here, and what's going on there has an impact here. Much more in El Paso, though.

564 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:26:55am

re: #558 MandyManners

Sez who?

Sez me! If I don't shape up soon, I'm going to have to fire myself!

565 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:27:04am

re: #535 razorbacker

I saw where someone in California proposed just that, a $50/oz. tax on legalized weed.

I doubt that it'd take an ounce to make a pack of twenty. I'm not sure that there is an ounce of tobacco in a pack of Camels.

I think if they ever do that it will just result in a lot more law enforcement work, chasing around after home-growers and importers evading the tax.

566 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:28:52am

re: #565 jaunte

I think if they ever do that it will just result in a lot more law enforcement work, chasing around after home-growers and importers evading the tax.

"stoner patrols"

567 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:29:39am

re: #546 _RememberTonyC

is he on line?

Doesn't look like he is right now (not on the SHOW USERS list)

568 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:29:42am

re: #565 jaunte

Like the ATF sting where they funneled 250,000 cartons of untaxed cigarettes into NE markets?

569 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:30:07am

re: #566 _RememberTonyC

'Ditch weed' is hard to regulate.

570 SteveC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:30:15am

re: #563 wrenchwench

I've been posting links about it for a couple of years. In a word, yes. I don't see it day-to-day, but I know what's going on there and here, and what's going on there has an impact here. Much more in El Paso, though.

Out in the west Texas town of El Paso
I fell in love with some Mexican weed...

571 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:30:16am

re: #563 wrenchwench

I've been posting links about it for a couple of years. In a word, yes. I don't see it day-to-day, but I know what's going on there and here, and what's going on there has an impact here. Much more in El Paso, though.


if weed were legalized, do you think that would take any of the wind out of the sails of the drug lords?

572 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:32:22am

re: #566 _RememberTonyC

"stoner patrols"

Revenuers... cot dammem!

573 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:32:30am

re: #569 jaunte

'Ditch weed' is hard to regulate.

even if the homegrowers were mostly left alone, the govt would do well. but the tax has to be much higher than 50 bucks an ounce.

574 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:32:32am

re: #569 jaunte

'Ditch weed' is hard to regulate.

Quality would rule.

That and the law of deferred gratification.

Quality weed is hard to raise, and who wants to go to the hassle if you can pop down to the liquor store and buy some nice, quality-assured, government stamped packaged product?

575 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:33:39am

re: #571 _RememberTonyC

if weed were legalized, do you think that would take any of the wind out of the sails of the drug lords?

They'll just go legit, much like the mob went into the legit liquor biz post prohibiotion (not the making of liquor, but the distribution and end used sales,,, taverns, pubs, clubs, restaurants, etc)

576 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:34:15am

re: #564 wrenchwench

Sez me! If I don't shape up soon, I'm going to have to fire myself!

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

577 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:34:20am

re: #570 SteveC

Out in the west Texas town of El Paso
I fell in love with some Mexican weed...

Great voice, carry on.

I've gotta go! really!

578 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:34:39am

re: #571 _RememberTonyC

if weed were legalized, do you think that would take any of the wind out of the sails of the drug lords?

I think it would be the smartest thing the US could do to break the cartels. (They've recently decriminalized small amounts in Mexico.) I don't think cocaine should be legalized, but that's another big money source. However, the cartels have shown that they will turn to extortion and kidnapping when drugs get more difficult. Mexico needs to clean up its justice system (which it is working on) and beat back the corruption (which is an eternal struggle) if it wants to have a future.

579 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:34:42am

re: #574 razorbacker

Quality would rule.

That and the law of deferred gratification.

Quality weed is hard to raise, and who wants to go to the hassle if you can pop down to the liquor store and buy some nice, quality-assured, government stamped packaged product?


Bingo Bubba ... one hundred bucks for a pack of 20 with 50 bucks going to Uncle Sam. The marketing people will have a field day too.

580 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:35:09am

re: #565 jaunte

I think if they ever do that it will just result in a lot more law enforcement work, chasing around after home-growers and importers evading the tax.

Eeebilll revenooers.

581 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:35:25am

re: #574 razorbacker

Quality would rule.

That and the law of deferred gratification.

Quality weed is hard to raise, and who wants to go to the hassle if you can pop down to the liquor store and buy some nice, quality-assured, government stamped packaged product?

Price is also a factor. If taxes are so high that the end result is weed nearly as expensive as the illegal stuff, there's little incentive for the black market to stop operations. If the price of legal weed is a small fraction of what illegal supplies command, the cost/benefit ratio of selling versus getting busted changes dramatically.

582 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:36:01am

Corporate weed iz fascism, maaan!

583 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:36:06am

re: #574 razorbacker

Possibly. I suppose it would depend on the price.

584 Bear  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:36:12am

That might be another income source for the Native American Smoke Shops. And then if it was a State tax what about "Weed Runners" (rum runners).

585 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:36:40am

re: #573 _RememberTonyC

even if the homegrowers were mostly left alone, the govt would do well. but the tax has to be much higher than 50 bucks an ounce.

I don't know. Home-grown goes for about $100/oz now. Say you make it $150/oz, but you don't have to worry about the police. Okay.

But if you make it $300/oz, maybe folks will still take the chance with the untaxed product.

Taxation can create illegal demand, as any high-tax tobacco state next to a low-tax state will testify.

586 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:36:48am

re: #571 _RememberTonyC

if weed were legalized, do you think that would take any of the wind out of the sails of the drug lords?

It worked with booze.

587 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:37:26am

re: #579 _RememberTonyC

Bingo Bubba ... one hundred bucks for a pack of 20 with 50 bucks going to Uncle Sam. The marketing people will have a field day too.

You can't have that high (pun) of a tax on it. If someone can seel a pack of 20 for $50 black market (cost plus profit minus no tax), that market will flourish

588 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:38:34am

re: #585 razorbacker

I don't know. Home-grown goes for about $100/oz now. Say you make it $150/oz, but you don't have to worry about the police. Okay.

But if you make it $300/oz, maybe folks will still take the chance with the untaxed product.

Taxation can create illegal demand, as any high-tax tobacco state next to a low-tax state will testify.

we can work on the price structure for sure. but the concept needs to catch on first.

589 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:40:22am

re: #578 wrenchwench

I think it would be the smartest thing the US could do to break the cartels. (They've recently decriminalized small amounts in Mexico.) I don't think cocaine should be legalized, but that's another big money source. However, the cartels have shown that they will turn to extortion and kidnapping when drugs get more difficult. Mexico needs to clean up its justice system (which it is working on) and beat back the corruption (which is an eternal struggle) if it wants to have a future.

"out of the box" thinking may be needed here. if we can generate revenue and put those guys outta business, we should.

590 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:41:33am

re: #588 _RememberTonyC

we can work on the price structure for sure. but the concept needs to catch on first.

I hear you.

Now if the feds tax it state, locals, and city taxes will follow as night follows day. Those taxes will not be the same from place to place.

'Illegal' pot will still exist. The lawmen will still have something to do.

591 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:42:22am

Song by Steve Earle. Video by David Icke.


(You hafta' understand Icke for it to make any sense.)

592 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:42:32am

I'm a conservative that's long been an advocate of legalizing weed. We'll free up prison space. Allow the cops to focus on real bad guys. And keep folks from having to deal with the criminals whenever they buy a bag (hey man wanna' try some of this too?).

593 Semper Fi  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:43:16am

Have a nice day, all. Weather's clearing here and looking more 'normal'.

594 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:43:30am

re: #587 sattv4u2

You can't have that high (pun) of a tax on it. If someone can seel a pack of 20 for $50 black market (cost plus profit minus no tax), that market will flourish

the concept is what matters. will the public embrace such a radical departure from the norm? Can we make weed like liquor and "tebackey?"

595 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:43:36am

re: #306 reine.de.tout

My daughter is signed up to go to the UK for 3 weeks this summer with a school group.

I admit I've got the jitters about her trip. I've come this close to cancelling the trip; but she really wants to go and honestly, I want her to be able to take advantage of this opportunity. But I will admit I'm more than just a little bit nervous about it.

For your reading after your nap...I'm sure your daughter will have a great time. My daughter went last summer to England and Scotland for 19 days with a People To People group. She was just 11, but we have noticed a big jump in her maturity and self assuredness. That has been a great asset to her this year when she started middle school.

596 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:45:00am

re: #592 BruceKelly

I'm a conservative that's long been an advocate of legalizing weed. We'll free up prison space. Allow the cops to focus on real bad guys. And keep folks from having to deal with the criminals whenever they buy a bag (hey man wanna' try some of this too?).

I agree (and have fior a long time)

I would also put the same provisions on it that we have with booze, like driving while impaired, drinking/toking in public, minors not being able to purchase, etc

597 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:47:02am

re: #589 _RememberTonyC

"out of the box" thinking may be needed here. if we can generate revenue and put those guys outta business, we should.

Back in the day, I made a living from pot.

I didn't quit because of the cops. Cops have to follow rules, and if you know the rules and are careful, you need have little fear.

I quit because there came to be so much money in pot that real criminals got into it. Folks that would kill you over it. I wasn't that serious about it.

598 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:47:35am

yes ... weed has the potential to become an incredibly lucrative source of revenue for the govt. and it puts criminals out of business too. Win/Win.

599 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:47:36am

re: #589 _RememberTonyC

"out of the box" thinking may be needed here. if we can generate revenue and put those guys outta business, we should.

Yes.

The murder rate in Juarez is unprecedented. They are losing a generation. And now they are recruiting in El Paso, including at Fort Bliss. A soldier is in jail for making a hit in El Paso for the cartels in Mexico.

The "war on drugs" has only served as market and price controls for the cartels. We have to quit helping them.

Like I said, I've been posting links on this for a while. It is not getting the attention it deserves. And it should impact immigration policy too, although I'm not sure how. Whatever we do should be with the aim of strengthening the Mexican government, as long as they are fighting the cartels.

600 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:49:09am

re: #597 razorbacker

Back in the day, I made a living from pot.

I didn't quit because of the cops. Cops have to follow rules, and if you know the rules and are careful, you need have little fear.

I quit because there came to be so much money in pot that real criminals got into it. Folks that would kill you over it. I wasn't that serious about it.

that's what i'm saying ... that stuff can be drastically reduced.

601 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:49:45am

Hey all,

I'm back.

What's happened?

602 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:50:40am

re: #599 wrenchwench

Yes.

The murder rate in Juarez is unprecedented. They are losing a generation. And now they are recruiting in El Paso, including at Fort Bliss. A soldier is in jail for making a hit in El Paso for the cartels in Mexico.

The "war on drugs" has only served as market and price controls for the cartels. We have to quit helping them.

Like I said, I've been posting links on this for a while. It is not getting the attention it deserves. And it should impact immigration policy too, although I'm not sure how. Whatever we do should be with the aim of strengthening the Mexican government, as long as they are fighting the cartels.

It's not getting the attention it deserves because it would have an impact on the debate about immigration.

603 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:51:41am

re: #599 wrenchwench

Yes.

The murder rate in Juarez is unprecedented. They are losing a generation. And now they are recruiting in El Paso, including at Fort Bliss. A soldier is in jail for making a hit in El Paso for the cartels in Mexico.

The "war on drugs" has only served as market and price controls for the cartels. We have to quit helping them.

Like I said, I've been posting links on this for a while. It is not getting the attention it deserves. And it should impact immigration policy too, although I'm not sure how. Whatever we do should be with the aim of strengthening the Mexican government, as long as they are fighting the cartels.

high profile advocates for the cause will be hard to come by. it has to be an organic movement ... not unlike the tea parties in some ways.

604 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:51:59am

Duuude.

605 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:53:48am

re: #602 MandyManners

It's not getting the attention it deserves because it would have an impact on the debate about immigration.

I guess that's true. It does have an impact on the discussion. There's so much money to be made in both illegal immigrant labor and in drug and guns, that it's hard to keep up enough enthusiasm for enforcement of law.

606 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:56:00am

re: #605 wrenchwench

I guess that's true. It does have an impact on the discussion. There's so much money to be made in both illegal immigrant labor and in drug and guns, that it's hard to keep up enough enthusiasm for enforcement of law.

i don't know your regional politics, so please explain why legalizing weed and immigration are so intertwined?

607 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:56:25am

On a similar legalization thread someone mentioned that the extra tax revenue should be spent building slow lanes and adding second chance exits to the interstate highway system.

"oh shit! that was my exit... hey! second chance, cool... thanks federal government."

608 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:57:19am

re: #607 BruceKelly

That was me, being pessimistic.

609 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:57:30am
610 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:58:07am

re: #605 wrenchwench

I guess that's true. It does have an impact on the discussion. There's so much money to be made in both illegal immigrant labor and in drug and guns, that it's hard to keep up enough enthusiasm for enforcement of law.

I wonder if law enforcement is getting a cut.

611 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:59:23am

re: #607 BruceKelly

I do agree that legalization would take power out of the cartels hands, but I don't think it would mean a net increase in tax revenue (because of unforeseen resulting expenditures).

612 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:59:25am

Law of Unintended Consequences.

Consider if you will:

It takes pot about 21 to 30 days to get out of your system enough to pass the average pre-employement drug test.

Crack? Maybe a week. Meth? Three days. Some of the hard drugs don't really show up unless you're still under the influence.

So we've made it virtually impossible for the casual pot smoker to hold a good job, while hard drug users can, if they abstain for less than a week pass the drug test.

Odd, that.

613 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:00:20am

re: #607 BruceKelly

On a similar legalization thread someone mentioned that the extra tax revenue should be spent building slow lanes and adding second chance exits to the interstate highway system.

"oh shit! that was my exit... hey! second chance, cool... thanks federal government."

The Jeff Spicoli Highway System

614 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:00:33am

re: #607 BruceKelly

On a similar legalization thread someone mentioned that the extra tax revenue should be spent building slow lanes and adding second chance exits to the interstate highway system.

"oh shit! that was my exit... hey! second chance, cool... thanks federal government."

It'll be a cut-throat competition to get the HoHo franchise.

Seriously, I don't want stoners driving while stoned. The question then becomes how do you determine that someone is stoned at that moment? Follicle and urine tests show that pot has been smoked in the past but, not in the immediate past.

615 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:01:09am

re: #613 _RememberTonyC

"I think it's our highway, Mr. Hand."

616 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:01:14am

re: #606 _RememberTonyC

i don't know your regional politics, so please explain why legalizing weed and immigration are so intertwined?

Not legalizing weed--crushing the cartels. The cartels are not getting enough attention in the US, and the way we deal with immigration should be in line with an anti-cartel plan. That is, don't make Mexico more poor and/or more corrupt in the process.

617 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:03:03am

re: #612 razorbacker

Law of Unintended Consequences.

Consider if you will:

It takes pot about 21 to 30 days to get out of your system enough to pass the average pre-employement drug test.

Crack? Maybe a week. Meth? Three days. Some of the hard drugs don't really show up unless you're still under the influence.

So we've made it virtually impossible for the casual pot smoker to hold a good job, while hard drug users can, if they abstain for less than a week pass the drug test.

Odd, that.

There's the rub.

618 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:03:19am

re: #610 MandyManners

I wonder if law enforcement is getting a cut.

That's the biggest problem. The cartels can afford to bribe EVERYBODY, and they do. Mexico's current president is the first one I would not automatically assume was in their pockets.

619 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:03:44am

re: #614 MandyManners

It'll be a cut-throat competition to get the HoHo franchise.

Seriously, I don't want stoners driving while stoned. The question then becomes how do you determine that someone is stoned at that moment? Follicle and urine tests show that pot has been smoked in the past but, not in the immediate past.

The eyes are the window to the soul.

620 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:04:11am

Frankly, I don't see any positive to legalizing pot. I understand de-criminalizing possession of small amounts --no reason to clog up the legal system with stoners who are not likely to be violent or even effective criminals.

Legalizing all together, I see only bad stuff. People and kids trying it that wouldnt' have ever thought of doing it. More money spent on rehab and health care costs in association with using. Lung cancer rates going-up. Less productive workforce. We don't need this shit.

621 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:05:22am

re: #612 razorbacker

Law of Unintended Consequences.

Consider if you will:

It takes pot about 21 to 30 days to get out of your system enough to pass the average pre-employement drug test.

Crack? Maybe a week. Meth? Three days. Some of the hard drugs don't really show up unless you're still under the influence.

So we've made it virtually impossible for the casual pot smoker to hold a good job, while hard drug users can, if they abstain for less than a week pass the drug test.

Odd, that.

My GF has a colleague that was (maybe still is) on probation and had to periodically take drug tests - whatever you call them. She found out the hard way that they test for the OTC stuff you can get to mask drugs/narcotics. She's on double-secret probation now.

622 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:06:19am

re: #618 wrenchwench

That's the biggest problem. The cartels can afford to bribe EVERYBODY, and they do. Mexico's current president is the first one I would not automatically assume was in their pockets.

Don't they also resort to extortion if the cop/official doesn't give in to bribery?

623 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:06:24am

re: #616 wrenchwench

Not legalizing weed--crushing the cartels. The cartels are not getting enough attention in the US, and the way we deal with immigration should be in line with an anti-cartel plan. That is, don't make Mexico more poor and/or more corrupt in the process.

huge problem. is the beginning of the solution to legalize weed? any other drugs? i'm not in favor of legalizing toot and the chemical stuff. just weed. will that help at all? will it hamper them?

624 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:06:30am

re: #620 ggt

The exact reasons for 'The Great Experiment' that didn't work in the 1920's.

Mankind is predisposed to seek an altered mental state. Prohibition works poorly, at best.

625 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:06:47am

re: #619 razorbacker

The eyes are the window to the soul.

I don't see how this could be used as evidence. Lotsa' people have bedroom eyes.

626 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:06:53am

I do, however, support more research into the medical uses for cannibus components. Silly that we can't harness the useful attributes of the plant.

627 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:07:07am

re: #599 wrenchwench

Yes.

The murder rate in Juarez is unprecedented. They are losing a generation. And now they are recruiting in El Paso, including at Fort Bliss. A soldier is in jail for making a hit in El Paso for the cartels in Mexico.

The "war on drugs" has only served as market and price controls for the cartels. We have to quit helping them.

Like I said, I've been posting links on this for a while. It is not getting the attention it deserves. And it should impact immigration policy too, although I'm not sure how. Whatever we do should be with the aim of strengthening the Mexican government, as long as they are fighting the cartels.

I never cared a whole lot for Nancy Reagan's anti-drug stance, but one thing she said made a lot of sense, stuck with me, and actually convinced a couple people I know to stop using coke. It was when she pointed out that when you pay for that shit, you're handing your money over to some of the most despicable, evil people on earth, and depriving the cartels of their main source of income was reason enough not to use their product. Sound advice, in my opinion.

628 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:07:25am

re: #607 BruceKelly

...and another thing, if you show a military I.D. card at the liquor store, you should be able to buy booze even if you're under 21.

629 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:08:02am

re: #625 MandyManners

I don't see how this could be used as evidence. Lotsa' people have bedroom eyes.

BIG difference --You can tell when someone is under the influence of pot.

630 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:08:52am

re: #624 razorbacker

The exact reasons for 'The Great Experiment' that didn't work in the 1920's.

Mankind is predisposed to seek an altered mental state. Prohibition works poorly, at best.

Weed is different than alcohol. Sorry, I can't agree with the Prohibition argument.

631 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:08:57am

re: #628 BruceKelly

...and another thing, if you show a military I.D. card at the liquor store, you should be able to buy booze even if you're under 21.

I assume you mean "active military" and not dependent, right?

632 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:08:59am

re: #620 ggt

Frankly, I don't see any positive to legalizing pot. I understand de-criminalizing possession of small amounts --no reason to clog up the legal system with stoners who are not likely to be violent or even effective criminals.

Legalizing all together, I see only bad stuff. People and kids trying it that wouldnt' have ever thought of doing it. More money spent on rehab and health care costs in association with using. Lung cancer rates going-up. Less productive workforce. We don't need this shit.

You probably have no idea how common pot smoking already is.

633 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:09:13am

re: #620 ggt

Frankly, I don't see any positive to legalizing pot. I understand de-criminalizing possession of small amounts --no reason to clog up the legal system with stoners who are not likely to be violent or even effective criminals.

Legalizing all together, I see only bad stuff. People and kids trying it that wouldnt' have ever thought of doing it. More money spent on rehab and health care costs in association with using. Lung cancer rates going-up. Less productive workforce. We don't need this shit.

DON'T HARSH MY BUZZ, MAN!

634 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:09:33am

re: #622 MandyManners

Don't they also resort to extortion if the cop/official doesn't give in to bribery?

They kill family members and stuff, at this point.

635 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:09:50am

re: #625 MandyManners

I don't see how this could be used as evidence. Lotsa' people have bedroom eyes.

It'd be the reason for the test that confirms usage. Pot eyes and bedroom eyes are different.

That you don't know says something nice about you.

636 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:09:58am

re: #632 wrenchwench

You probably have no idea how common pot smoking already is.

I probably do. And it will be more common if it is legalized. WE don't need it.

637 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:10:03am

re: #611 jaunte

I do agree that legalization would take power out of the cartels hands, but I don't think it would mean a net increase in tax revenue (because of unforeseen resulting expenditures).

Agreed, but it's still a benefit when you consider how much time and space it'll free up in the legal system.

638 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:10:21am

re: #629 ggt

BIG difference --You can tell when someone is under the influence of pot.

But, would it be admissable in court? That's not scientific.

639 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:10:49am

re: #634 wrenchwench

They kill family members and stuff, at this point.

Gee. I'd move to Montana.

640 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:11:32am

I know that there's not 100% overlap between liberals and people who want to legalize drugs. But still, it's weird, those that do overlap. On one hand they say that the government is bought & paid for by big business interests, that corporations are running the show. One the other, they offer smiley-face fantasies about "tightly regulating" drug cartels once drugs become legal. the cartels are exponentially richer and more ruthless than any hedge fund manager you'd care to name--pluse they have guns. Just who is going to bring them to heel, and how?

641 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:11:41am

re: #637 BruceKelly

Agreed, but it's still a benefit when you consider how much time and space it'll free up in the legal system.

'til the trial lawyers get involved --product liability, insurance, etc. It would just shift from one area to the next.

642 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:11:42am

re: #614 MandyManners

It'll be a cut-throat competition to get the HoHo franchise.

Seriously, I don't want stoners driving while stoned. The question then becomes how do you determine that someone is stoned at that moment? Follicle and urine tests show that pot has been smoked in the past but, not in the immediate past.

You go back to what was done before any sort of chemical monitoring was available - administering field sobriety checks. They are extremely effective at getting impaired drivers off the roads, which is the most important thing to accomplish. Although they're somewhat easier to challenge in court than properly conducted Breathalyzer or blood tests, the difference is small. And I'd be more concerned with getting the impaired off the roads than with their ultimate conviction.

If you can't focus, can't maintain your balance, can't speak without slurring your words, and demonstrate slowed reaction time, you shouldn't be driving. And those things can be tested for without resort to chemical analysis.

643 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:12:00am

re: #623 _RememberTonyC

huge problem. is the beginning of the solution to legalize weed? any other drugs? i'm not in favor of legalizing toot and the chemical stuff. just weed. will that help at all? will it hamper them?

Legalizing weed would be a good step on our side of the border.

644 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:12:13am

re: #638 MandyManners

But, would it be admissable in court? That's not scientific.

It would be grounds for a blood test. Or saliva test or whatever would prove the person was under the influence.

645 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:12:52am

re: #620 ggt

Frankly, I don't see any positive to legalizing pot. I understand de-criminalizing possession of small amounts --no reason to clog up the legal system with stoners who are not likely to be violent or even effective criminals.

Legalizing all together, I see only bad stuff. People and kids trying it that wouldnt' have ever thought of doing it. More money spent on rehab and health care costs in association with using. Lung cancer rates going-up. Less productive workforce. We don't need this shit.

totally understand and mostly agree. but the revenue from massive taxes and the legitimizing of the business help solve many problems. I also think legalizing it takes some of the "mystique" out of it. As a kid, the pull of everything "grown up" is cool. But then it would become more routine like alcohol.

646 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:13:08am

re: #625 MandyManners

I don't see how this could be used as evidence. Lotsa' people have bedroom eyes.

Is that what you fogies called it back then?

/ :)

647 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:13:23am

re: #617 MandyManners

There's the rub.

in bed

648 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:13:34am

re: #612 razorbacker

Law of Unintended Consequences.

Consider if you will:

It takes pot about 21 to 30 days to get out of your system enough to pass the average pre-employement drug test.

Crack? Maybe a week. Meth? Three days. Some of the hard drugs don't really show up unless you're still under the influence.

So we've made it virtually impossible for the casual pot smoker to hold a good job, while hard drug users can, if they abstain for less than a week pass the drug test.

Odd, that.

Also, there's no good field sobriety test for cops to use to keep high people off the highway (pun intended).

649 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:13:59am

re: #638 MandyManners

But, would it be admissable in court? That's not scientific.

You're not convicted on the basis of the field sobriety test, but the field sobriety test is the basis for the B.A.C. test that is evidence to convict you.

Pot eyes would work the same.

650 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:14:44am

re: #620 ggt

Frankly, I don't see any positive to legalizing pot. I understand de-criminalizing possession of small amounts --no reason to clog up the legal system with stoners who are not likely to be violent or even effective criminals.

Legalizing all together, I see only bad stuff. People and kids trying it that wouldnt' have ever thought of doing it. More money spent on rehab and health care costs in association with using. Lung cancer rates going-up. Less productive workforce. We don't need this shit.

I'm on the fence here for a couple reasons. I "made mistakes in my youth" but don't regret a second of that time because I had a blast. It would be hypocritical for me to be against something I don't currently do, but have done, then to say others shouldn't be able do it.

I don't have an easy answer that we could apply across the board, but if it were legalized, I'm against people being stoned at work - unless you're a musician I guess.

651 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:15:03am

re: #645 _RememberTonyC

totally understand and mostly agree. but the revenue from massive taxes and the legitimizing of the business help solve many problems. I also think legalizing it takes some of the "mystique" out of it. As a kid, the pull of everything "grown up" is cool. But then it would become more routine like alcohol.

More kids/people drink than will ever try pot. I just don't see a tax revenue positive on this. It would be cheaper to buy illegal pot. How do you prove the Under the Influence person got that way by illegal or legal pot?

652 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:15:08am

re: #639 MandyManners

Gee. I'd move to Montana.

and grow a crop of dental floss?

653 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:15:09am

re: #635 razorbacker

It'd be the reason for the test that confirms usage. Pot eyes and bedroom eyes are different.

That you don't know says something nice about you.

Trust me. I've smoked a lot of pot.

Just looking stoned does not prove you're stoned. You can argue that the presence of THC in follicles or urine is the result of smoking it sometime in the past.

I wonder if they could invent a test to see how old the THC is. Like carbon-dating.

654 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:15:56am

re: #613 _RememberTonyC

The Jeff Spicoli Highway System

Ha! Reminds me, a long time ago a friend and I were in a police station. He demanded his free phone call. He picked up the phone and shouted, "Anyone else want pizza!?"

Okay, it was me, but it was a long time ago.

655 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:16:29am

re: #640 The Sanity Inspector

I know that there's not 100% overlap between liberals and people who want to legalize drugs. But still, it's weird, those that do overlap. On one hand they say that the government is bought & paid for by big business interests, that corporations are running the show. One the other, they offer smiley-face fantasies about "tightly regulating" drug cartels once drugs become legal. the cartels are exponentially richer and more ruthless than any hedge fund manager you'd care to name--pluse they have guns. Just who is going to bring them to heel, and how?

KORPORASHUNS R EEEBILL.

656 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:16:37am

re: #648 BruceKelly

Also, there's no good field sobriety test for cops to use to keep high people off the highway (pun intended).

If the driver shows no evidence of impairment why should he be removed from the highway?

If the driver is driving in a manner that indicates impairment, then the 'eye test' would be a factor in demanding the test that proves usage.

657 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:16:47am

re: #650 rwmofo

I'm on the fence here for a couple reasons. I "made mistakes in my youth" but don't regret a second of that time because I had a blast. It would be hypocritical for me to be against something I don't currently do, but have done, then to say others shouldn't be able do it.

I don't have an easy answer that we could apply across the board, but if it were legalized, I'm against people being stoned at work - unless you're a musician I guess.

Stoned at work? No corporation would hire you or keep you employed. No insurance company would cover you. There would be more burn-outs on the dole, living in there mom's basement.

658 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:16:48am

re: #627 SixDegrees

I never cared a whole lot for Nancy Reagan's anti-drug stance, but one thing she said made a lot of sense, stuck with me, and actually convinced a couple people I know to stop using coke. It was when she pointed out that when you pay for that shit, you're handing your money over to some of the most despicable, evil people on earth, and depriving the cartels of their main source of income was reason enough not to use their product. Sound advice, in my opinion.

I used to think that, but now I think that's only guilt tripping people without a basis in reality. Cartels move on to other crimes if they can't make thier money on pot, so it's not just the drugs. It's also the corruption and the batshit crazy legal system they have in Mexico (there was a good article about that in the WSJ last October or so.)

659 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:16:49am

re: #640 The Sanity Inspector

I know that there's not 100% overlap between liberals and people who want to legalize drugs. But still, it's weird, those that do overlap. On one hand they say that the government is bought & paid for by big business interests, that corporations are running the show. One the other, they offer smiley-face fantasies about "tightly regulating" drug cartels once drugs become legal. the cartels are exponentially richer and more ruthless than any hedge fund manager you'd care to name--pluse they have guns. Just who is going to bring them to heel, and how?

undersell them in legitimate business transactions. charge less money for a better product.

660 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:17:18am

re: #614 MandyManners

It'll be a cut-throat competition to get the HoHo franchise.

Seriously, I don't want stoners driving while stoned. The question then becomes how do you determine that someone is stoned at that moment? Follicle and urine tests show that pot has been smoked in the past but, not in the immediate past.

I think that's the biggest problem with legalization. No reliable field test.

661 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:18:45am

re: #619 razorbacker

The eyes are the window to the soul.

Wouldn't hold up in court.

662 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:20:30am

The problem, IMHO, is that we are trying to be all nice and legal about how we handle the cartels. We could take care of them if we we took the gloves off.

It's the difference between law enforcement and military operations.

If the people of the world really want to take care of the problem, we can take care of it.

There will always be an underworld supplying what society wants. It's a matter of how much we are willing to tolerate.

663 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:21:04am

re: #653 MandyManners

Trust me. I've smoked a lot of pot.

Just looking stoned does not prove you're stoned. You can argue that the presence of THC in follicles or urine is the result of smoking it sometime in the past.

I wonder if they could invent a test to see how old the THC is. Like carbon-dating.

Ah, there you go.

If pot were legal, being stoned should not be grounds for legal intrusion. The activity that results, might, but not simply being stoned.

It's like Ron White says about the time he was thrown out of the bar and then arrested for being drunk in public. "I didn't want to be drunk in public, I wanted to be drunk in a bar, but they threw me out of the bar."

664 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:21:10am

re: #620 ggt

Frankly, I don't see any positive to legalizing pot. I understand de-criminalizing possession of small amounts --no reason to clog up the legal system with stoners who are not likely to be violent or even effective criminals.

Legalizing all together, I see only bad stuff. People and kids trying it that wouldnt' have ever thought of doing it. More money spent on rehab and health care costs in association with using. Lung cancer rates going-up. Less productive workforce. We don't need this shit.

I see your point but it's already happening. Every place I've worked (I'm blue collar) has a connection.

665 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:21:57am

Hi Reine, how are you? I was hoping you could give us a page view count tomorrow like you did when the LAT article ran. If I remember right, it was an increase of about 200,000. Thanks!

Here you go:

Now Online: 2,376
Logged in: 93
Today
Page Views: 27,222
Visits: 21,542
Yesterday
Page Views: 80,004
Visits: 58,458
Comments: 8,043,810
Today: 485
Yesterday: 2,839

Look at those minuscule numbers! Charles continues his downward spiral into irrelevance. Sad really...
//

666 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:22:19am

re: #660 BruceKelly

I think that's the biggest problem with legalization. No reliable field test.

If you can't pass the standard field sobriety tests - counting backward, walking a straight line, answering simple questions and others - that's all an officer needs to pull you off the road and charge you with impaired driving.

They may not be able to pin you with driving under the influence of a controlled substance, but at least they can get you off the road. And although laws would have to be rewritten to allow it, they could also require you to submit to a blood test under penalty of losing your license.

667 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:23:25am

This blog is worse than drugs for productivity. I gotta get to work!

Please crush the cartels in my absence.

Thank you.

668 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:23:45am

re: #651 ggt

More kids/people drink than will ever try pot. I just don't see a tax revenue positive on this. It would be cheaper to buy illegal pot. How do you prove the Under the Influence person got that way by illegal or legal pot?

there's illegal moonshine in certain regions and there will be illegal weed too. but even at that, there will be enough legit business to keep serious dollars flowing into the govt. guess we gotta agree to disagree ...

669 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:24:42am

re: #661 BruceKelly

Wouldn't hold up in court.

"Your Honor, while following the defendant's vehicle I observed him cross the yellow line. Upon making the traffic stop I noticed an odor of pot coming from the car and initiated a search."

Folks are in prison today because of that initial crime of 'crossing the yellow line.'

670 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:24:59am

re: #667 wrenchwench

This blog is worse than drugs for productivity. I gotta get to work!

Please crush the cartels in my absence.

Thank you.

bye wenchie

671 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:25:28am

re: #659 _RememberTonyC

undersell them in legitimate business transactions. charge less money for a better product.

For many of these drugs, "better" = "deadlier".

672 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:25:28am

re: #629 ggt

BIG difference --You can tell when someone is under the influence of pot.

After little visine and a buzz killing blue light in your rearview mirror? I don't think so.

673 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:26:50am

re: #671 The Sanity Inspector

For many of these drugs, "better" = "deadlier".

like grain alcohol vs 3.2 beer?

674 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:26:52am

re: #649 razorbacker

You're not convicted on the basis of the field sobriety test, but the field sobriety test is the basis for the B.A.C. test that is evidence to convict you.

Pot eyes would work the same.

Looking as if you're stoned is not the same as flunking the nystagmus test.

675 RickAdams  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:27:29am
676 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:27:42am

re: #631 rwmofo

I assume you mean "active military" and not dependent, right?

Yes, sorry about that, absoulutely. It's just been so long since I was a military brat that I forgot.

677 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:28:03am

re: #660 BruceKelly

I think that's the biggest problem with legalization. No reliable field test.

Nor can you prove that someone is stoned at a certain point in time based on follicle or urine testing.

678 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:28:33am

re: #662 ggt

The problem, IMHO, is that we are trying to be all nice and legal about how we handle the cartels. We could take care of them if we we took the gloves off.

It's the difference between law enforcement and military operations.

If the people of the world really want to take care of the problem, we can take care of it.

There will always be an underworld supplying what society wants. It's a matter of how much we are willing to tolerate.

Cartels won't be an issue if marijuana is legalized.

679 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:29:14am

re: #663 razorbacker

Ah, there you go.

If pot were legal, being stoned should not be grounds for legal intrusion. The activity that results, might, but not simply being stoned.

It's like Ron White says about the time he was thrown out of the bar and then arrested for being drunk in public. "I didn't want to be drunk in public, I wanted to be drunk in a bar, but they threw me out of the bar."

I wonder if he's ever toked.

680 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:29:23am

re: #674 MandyManners

Looking as if you're stoned is not the same as flunking the nystagmus test.

I'm not going to argue with you about this.

I'm simply going to point to current police tactics.

If the officer wants to pull you over, he can find a reason.

681 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:29:44am

re: #674 MandyManners

Looking as if you're stoned is not the same as flunking the nystagmus test.

You...make me smarter.

...of course I had to look it up.

682 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:30:01am

re: #679 MandyManners

I wonder if he's ever toked.

Arrested in Florida, according to his stage show.

683 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:30:01am

re: #678 MandyManners

Cartels won't be an issue if marijuana is legalized.

Their lawyers will draw up papers and they'll become legitimate corporations. Or they will just muscle the corporations out of business. They aren't going away easily.

684 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:30:16am

re: #666 SixDegrees

If you can't pass the standard field sobriety tests - counting backward, walking a straight line, answering simple questions and others - that's all an officer needs to pull you off the road and charge you with impaired driving.

They may not be able to pin you with driving under the influence of a controlled substance, but at least they can get you off the road. And although laws would have to be rewritten to allow it, they could also require you to submit to a blood test under penalty of losing your license.

Does THC show up in blood?

685 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:30:55am

re: #684 MandyManners

Does THC show up in blood?

You can buy an at-home test at your local drug store to test your kids.

686 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:31:09am

re: #669 razorbacker

"Your Honor, while following the defendant's vehicle I observed him cross the yellow line. Upon making the traffic stop I noticed an odor of pot coming from the car and initiated a search."

Folks are in prison today because of that initial crime of 'crossing the yellow line.'

An odor of pot is different.

687 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:31:14am

re: #673 _RememberTonyC

like grain alcohol vs 3.2 beer?

Yes, essentially.

And folks who want to open up a Rehab R Us clinic in every strip mall, think of how bitterly abstemious types like me would resent having to pay for them. "I didn't stuff all that daffy dust up your nose; why am I on the hook for getting you clean?"

688 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:31:20am

re: #669 razorbacker

"Your Honor, while following the defendant's vehicle I observed him cross the yellow line. Upon making the traffic stop I noticed an odor of pot coming from the car and initiated a search."

Folks are in prison today because of that initial crime of 'crossing the yellow line.'

"Your Honor, while following the vehicle I observed him drifting over the white line. When I pulled him over and asked him to get out of the car, he tried to SNORT the white line"

689 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:32:20am

re: #649 razorbacker

You're not convicted on the basis of the field sobriety test, but the field sobriety test is the basis for the B.A.C. test that is evidence to convict you.

Pot eyes would work the same.

"I've got the flu.. sniff"

690 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:32:23am

re: #680 razorbacker

I'm not going to argue with you about this.

I'm simply going to point to current police tactics.

If the officer wants to pull you over, he can find a reason.

But, determining someone is under the influence of marijuana is a whole 'nother issue.

691 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:32:27am

re: #686 MandyManners

An odor of pot is different.

Prove that the cop actually smelled the odor.

692 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:32:38am

In the future, pot will be legal and tobacco will not.

Yes, it is a Brave New World.

693 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:32:42am

re: #683 ggt

Their lawyers will draw up papers and they'll become legitimate corporations. Or they will just muscle the corporations out of business. They aren't going away easily.

for sure they aren't. but if the US Govt wants to legalize something they're making money off of, it will cut into their business and give OUR govt more revenue to work with.

694 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:33:05am

re: #682 razorbacker

Arrested in Florida, according to his stage show.

Simple possession?

695 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:34:07am

Rule Number One in 'how to make a living selling pot and not go to jail'.

Never use the product while transporting the product.

696 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:34:40am

re: #683 ggt

Their lawyers will draw up papers and they'll become legitimate corporations. Or they will just muscle the corporations out of business. They aren't going away easily.

Not necessarily. Legislation can be drafted that will prevent those people from incorporating in the U.S..

I'll be growing my own, anyway.

697 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:35:04am

re: #685 ggt

You can buy an at-home test at your local drug store to test your kids.

That test is for urine.

698 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:35:12am

re: #695 razorbacker

Rule Number One in 'how to make a living selling pot and not go to jail'.

Never use the product while transporting the product.

the voice of experience! time for me to hit the treadmill ... later Lizards

699 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:35:31am

re: #694 MandyManners

As I recall the bit.

'Course, it could have just been a comedy gag. He also went into PoPo counting the money, and having to help count the cash so he could make the next show.

700 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:35:40am

re: #692 ggt

In the future, pot will be legal and tobacco will not.

Yes, it is a Brave New World.

"This is a bar, you can't toke in here!"

701 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:35:45am

re: #691 razorbacker

Prove that the cop actually smelled the odor.

There you go. Odor and appearance are subjective.

702 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:35:54am

re: #655 MandyManners

KORPORASHUNS R EEEBILL.

You crack me up.

703 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:35:55am

re: #697 MandyManners

That test is for urine.

Do you test for distance or accuracy?

704 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:36:08am

re: #542 _RememberTonyC

just making it legal means our govt can use the revenue from a hefty tax to pay for things. and it puts many illegal drug dealers out of business. and crime is also reduced.

The real problem with $100.00 weed is that there will always be someone offering it for half that price on the black market.

705 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:36:27am

re: #695 razorbacker

Rule Number One in 'how to make a living selling pot and not go to jail'.

Never use the product while transporting the product.

Rule No. one of any drug operation: don't use your product.

706 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:36:33am

re: #656 razorbacker

If the driver shows no evidence of impairment why should he be removed from the highway?

If the driver is driving in a manner that indicates impairment, then the 'eye test' would be a factor in demanding the test that proves usage.

Makes sense to me.

707 ggt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:36:45am

I think there are already several municipalities experimenting with all these scenerios already.

I gotta go folks,

Have a great afternoon.

708 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:36:59am

re: #699 razorbacker

As I recall the bit.

'Course, it could have just been a comedy gag. He also went into PoPo counting the money, and having to help count the cash so he could make the next show.

PoPo?

709 generalsparky  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:37:14am

re: #696 MandyManners

I'll be growing my own, anyway.

If it was ever decriminalized/legal that is exactly what I would do too.

710 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:37:17am

re: #705 MandyManners

Rule No. one of any drug operation: don't use your product.

A lesson we all learned from Tony Montana!

711 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:37:18am

re: #702 BruceKelly

You crack me up.

Gald to be of service!

712 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:37:41am

re: #703 rwmofo

Do you test for distance or accuracy?

Amount doesn't count?

713 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:37:53am

re: #711 MandyManners

Gald to be of service!

in bed

714 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:38:15am

re: #709 generalsparky

If it was ever decriminalized/legal that is exactly what I would do too.

They can't catch us all!

715 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:38:42am

re: #712 MandyManners

Amount doesn't count?

Ahhh, the stamina test.

716 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:39:02am

re: #657 ggt

Stoned at work? No corporation would hire you or keep you employed. No insurance company would cover you. There would be more burn-outs on the dole, living in there mom's basement.

Ever been in the offshore oil biz, construction, an auto tech? I have, you're wrong.

717 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:39:09am

re: #708 MandyManners

PoPo?

Sorry.

It's what the kids call the police, nowadays.

718 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:39:10am

Gotta' go. The Kid has climbed to the top of his basketball goal and can't get down. I don't know what I'm gonna' do with him.

719 generalsparky  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:39:50am

re: #714 MandyManners

They can't catch us all!

LOL! Tru dat ;-)

720 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:40:30am

re: #662 ggt

The problem, IMHO, is that we are trying to be all nice and legal about how we handle the cartels. We could take care of them if we we took the gloves off.

It's the difference between law enforcement and military operations.

If the people of the world really want to take care of the problem, we can take care of it.

There will always be an underworld supplying what society wants. It's a matter of how much we are willing to tolerate.

Good point.

721 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:41:25am

re: #716 BruceKelly

Some of the copper mining operations in Arizona have had stoned driving problems with the guys that drive these:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

722 razorbacker  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:42:11am

I better get busy doing something semi-productive.

And remember kiddies, the wheat-straw papers will make you cough, and when you cough Mommy will want to know if you're catching cold, and when she comes in the room to check your temp she's going to smell the weed.

So don't use wheat-straw papers.

723 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:42:39am

re: #663 razorbacker

Ah, there you go.

If pot were legal, being stoned should not be grounds for legal intrusion. The activity that results, might, but not simply being stoned.

It's like Ron White says about the time he was thrown out of the bar and then arrested for being drunk in public. "I didn't want to be drunk in public, I wanted to be drunk in a bar, but they threw me out of the bar."

Updinged for the Ron White quote. I love that guy (in a completely heterosexual way of course).

724 Conservative Moonbat  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:43:07am

re: #718 MandyManners

tell him to make a circle with his arms and if you can get the ball through both that and the hoop it's six points.

725 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:44:28am

re: #667 wrenchwench

This blog is worse than drugs for productivity. I gotta get to work!

Please crush the cartels in my absence.

Thank you.

I said I was out of here about two hours ago...

726 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:46:42am

When I was about 16 (circa 1973) I had just gotten ripped (daytime) and was driving right afterward. I got to a stop sign and made a right. I immediately saw a cop sitting on the side of the road, so I made sure to be careful, go slow etc. As I passed him he was frowning and motioned me to pull over. Uh oh. He had me come sit in his car and showed that he had clocked me at 80-85 MPH. The problem was both he and I knew that I hadn't gotten over 30-35. Since I was wasted I knew, even as a kid, "Don't say anything." So I was shrugging my shoulders, making faces, motioning with my hands and and essentially being a mime. He ended up letting me go, but I always wondered why he didn't ask "What's wrong with you, boy?"

727 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:49:19am

re: #614 MandyManners

It'll be a cut-throat competition to get the HoHo franchise.

Seriously, I don't want stoners driving while stoned. The question then becomes how do you determine that someone is stoned at that moment? Follicle and urine tests show that pot has been smoked in the past but, not in the immediate past.

The French do on-the-spot alcohol and cannabis testing of drivers.

728 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:50:10am

re: #669 razorbacker

"Your Honor, while following the defendant's vehicle I observed him cross the yellow line. Upon making the traffic stop I noticed an odor of pot coming from the car and initiated a search."

Folks are in prison today because of that initial crime of 'crossing the yellow line.'

I was talking about red eye alone. I should've quoted.

729 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:50:43am

And old friend lives out in the Arizona desert near the Mexican border. They regularly find abandoned vehicles on their property used by drug runners and coyotes.

They report them to the police, and the law states that if nobody claims them after sixty days, they can keep them. Needless to say, nobody ever does, and they have helped pay off the mortgage.

730 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:51:11am

re: #718 MandyManners

Gotta' go. The Kid has climbed to the top of his basketball goal and can't get down. I don't know what I'm gonna' do with him.

Duct tape?

731 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:51:43am

re: #730 BruceKelly

Duct tape?


soccer?

732 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:54:30am

IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK SOMEWHERE.

733 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:54:55am

re: #732 MandyManners

IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK SOMEWHERE.

I didn't bother to wait...

734 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:55:00am

It's nine pm here...

735 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:56:54am

Gotta' get more laundry going.

736 Expand Your Ground  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:57:43am

my laundry moves on its own...

737 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:00:54pm

re: #684 MandyManners

Does THC show up in blood?

Either THC or a metabolic by-product can be detected using blood tests. I forget which. Probably a by-product. Alcohol is one of the few drugs that are detected directly.

738 generalsparky  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:01:50pm

re: #736 ralphieboy

my laundry moves on its own...

All the boys in my house believe that and they are quite wrong.

739 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:04:35pm

re: #726 rwmofo

When I was about 16 (circa 1973) I had just gotten ripped (daytime) and was driving right afterward. I got to a stop sign and made a right. I immediately saw a cop sitting on the side of the road, so I made sure to be careful, go slow etc. As I passed him he was frowning and motioned me to pull over. Uh oh. He had me come sit in his car and showed that he had clocked me at 80-85 MPH. The problem was both he and I knew that I hadn't gotten over 30-35. Since I was wasted I knew, even as a kid, "Don't say anything." So I was shrugging my shoulders, making faces, motioning with my hands and and essentially being a mime. He ended up letting me go, but I always wondered why he didn't ask "What's wrong with you, boy?"

He probably figured you were a mute and had pity...

/

740 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:05:08pm

re: #684 MandyManners

Does THC show up in blood?

It depends. If your name is "Snoop Dog," then yes, THC shows up in your blood.

741 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:05:11pm

Ganja Farmer

742 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:06:14pm

re: #732 MandyManners

IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK SOMEWHERE.

And Four-twenty in a lot of other places.

743 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:06:38pm

re: #739 ryannon

He probably figured you were a mute and had pity...

/

Heh.

744 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:08:03pm

re: #743 rwmofo

Heh.

Or is 'speech deprived' the PC term?

745 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:12:05pm

I should have started a sign making business...

746 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:12:21pm

re: #675 RickAdams

LGF nostalgia

Not sure what point you're trying to make there. If you're hinting around that LGF's ads were somehow "better" in the past, you should be aware that both of the advertisements in your graphic were served by Google Adsense.

747 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:13:34pm

Ruh Roh everyone ,,,
Sober up and put away the weed,, the boss is in the room!

//

748 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:13:48pm

re: #703 rwmofo

Do you test for distance or accuracy?

Ha!... both?

749 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:15:10pm

National Catholic Register is butthurt over Richard Dawkins charity work; displays usual total ignorance of atheist moral arguments concerning morality and its evolutionary origins:

[Link: www.ncregister.com...]

750 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:15:26pm

re: #705 MandyManners

Rule No. one of any drug operation: don't use your product.

That's why I kept "regular" job. I'm not a good businessman.

751 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:16:10pm

New thread in: five, four, three, two...

752 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:18:35pm

re: #751 ryannon

New thread in: five, four, three, two...

/ I would like to make a reservation please...

753 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:19:30pm

re: #752 brookly red

/ I would like to make a reservation please...

No reservations necessary - just get in line!

754 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:21:31pm

re: #753 ryannon

No reservations necessary - just get in line!

are we there yet?

755 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:22:30pm

re: #754 brookly red

are we there yet?

Ask Stinky.

But be careful, he bites!

756 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:23:45pm

re: #746 Charles

Not sure what point you're trying to make there. If you're hinting around that LGF's ads were somehow "better" in the past, you should be aware that both of the advertisements in your graphic were served by Google Adsense.

Maybe he means that you where once much better looking.

757 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:25:49pm

Ah, Charles is on board now. Here's a tune in honor of his upcoming nuptials. Congratulations, and give her a lizardoid welcome from us!

758 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:26:00pm

re: #756 BruceKelly

Maybe he means that you where once much better looking.

/How to Make Friends and Influence People...

a short story By Bruce Kelly.

759 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:26:50pm

Random thought:

Why am I so allergic to dust, but not to sawdust?

(the list, at the moment, is : Dust in significant quantities (closets), cats, possibly Snowflake--a bird--, and something that lbooms around here in fall.)

760 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:27:11pm

re: #756 BruceKelly

Maybe he means that you where once much better looking.

Sure ,, piss him off!!!
//

761 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:28:30pm

Did anyone watch the Glenn Beck special last night - "The Revolutionary Holocaust" Reviews? Comments? Laughs?

762 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:29:14pm

re: #759 EmmmieG

Random thought:

Why am I so allergic to dust, but not to sawdust?

(the list, at the moment, is : Dust in significant quantities (closets), cats, possibly Snowflake--a bird--, and something that lbooms around here in fall.)

Could be the simple composition of the sawdust as compared to "dust" dust

In that it's a by product of wood, it could be because it has an amount of moisture in it limiting it's effects on you

763 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:29:21pm

re: #761 Stanley Sea

Did anyone watch the Glenn Beck special last night - "The Revolutionary Holocaust" Reviews? Comments? Laughs?

just one more reason I don't do TV...

764 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:29:40pm

Dawkins on labeling children :

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Debate on points made in the above film:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

765 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:29:48pm

re: #763 brookly red

just one more reason I don't do TV...

thanks for nothing!

766 The Sanity Inspector  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:30:14pm

re: #761 Stanley Sea

Did anyone watch the Glenn Beck special last night - "The Revolutionary Holocaust" Reviews? Comments? Laughs?

The Deucers seemed impressed with it.

767 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:30:26pm

re: #765 sattv4u2

thanks for nothing!

/and another good reason I don't do TV...

768 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:32:20pm

re: #760 sattv4u2

Sure ,, piss him off!!!
//

Hey, we were all once better looking, most of us anyway.

769 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:32:36pm

re: #766 The Sanity Inspector

The Deucers seemed impressed with it.

... revved up like a duce another runner in the night...

770 blueherron  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:34:18pm

re: #761 Stanley Sea

It was all about Eugenics and Communists. And a scathing piece on George Bernard Shaw.

771 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:37:44pm

OK, I can add microwaveable french fries to my list of things that suck...

772 blueherron  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:40:23pm

re: #770 blueherron

It was all about Eugenics and Communists. And a scathing piece on George Bernard Shaw.

And yes, plenty of laughs; although Glenn's getting crazier and scarier.

773 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:42:32pm

re: #771 brookly red

OK, I can add microwaveable french fries to my list of things that suck...

DId you have to try them first?

'Cuz I could have told you.

774 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:43:37pm

re: #772 blueherron

And yes, plenty of laughs; although Glenn's getting crazier and scarier.

Thanks for the update. I heard about the big premiere, but haven't read any follow up yet.

775 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:44:11pm

re: #773 EmmmieG

DId you have to try them first?

'Cuz I could have told you.

I figured, hey they are potatoes how bad can they be...

never again.

776 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:47:58pm

re: #775 brookly red

I figured, hey they are potatoes how bad can they be...

never again.

Microwave brownies: Just say no.

777 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:48:37pm

re: #761 Stanley Sea

Did anyone watch the Glenn Beck special last night - "The Revolutionary Holocaust" Reviews? Comments? Laughs?

Not yet, I got it via the torrent thing. I'm going to wait until tonight when I'm good'n'drunk to take a look. Should be a hoot.

778 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:50:56pm

re: #774 Stanley Sea

I did watch it and it was mostly standard Jonah Goldberg historical revisionism. Nazis were left wing, etc, etc. He did make some tantalizing statements early on in the program about some of the evil plans of some of the founding fathers about the federal reserve and redistributing wealth that were temporarily thwarted by the Constitution. I think he's starting off with already accepted historical revisionism (Goldberg) and is going to start branching out into more Birch Society stuff latter on. Right now he's just establishing the premise to get people interested.

779 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:52:50pm

re: #777 BruceKelly

Have you ever had any problems with viruses downloading torrents? I started a few months ago but I'm still nervous because you never really know what you downloaded until you open it.

780 rickadams  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:55:36pm

re: #746 Charles

There is no point; just a bit of silly fun. I thought perhaps someone might see that and laugh, thinking "Oh yeah, I remember that ad!"

781 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:58:09pm

re: #779 Killgore Trout

Have you ever had any problems with viruses downloading torrents? I started a few months ago but I'm still nervous because you never really know what you downloaded until you open it.

Be careful with archives, .rar files mostly. Most AVI and MP3s are okay. My best advice is don't be the first to download and read the comments left by others in the comments section.

I've never had a problem and I've been doing it for years. I don't even own a TV anymore.

782 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 12:58:31pm

re: #779 Killgore Trout

Have you ever had any problems with viruses downloading torrents? I started a few months ago but I'm still nervous because you never really know what you downloaded until you open it.

can't you scan a download before you open it?

783 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:00:48pm

re: #781 BruceKelly

Be careful with archives, .rar files mostly. Most AVI and MP3s are okay. My best advice is don't be the first to download and read the comments left by others in the comments section.

I've never had a problem and I've been doing it for years. I don't even own a TV anymore.

Ah, thanks. Good advice.

784 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:00:49pm

re: #779 Killgore Trout

Oh, I forgot to say. I only download media. Not software. No .exe files.

785 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:01:07pm

re: #776 EmmmieG

Microwave brownies: Just say no.

I don't have a microwave. Very happy without one.

786 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:02:54pm

re: #784 BruceKelly

Yeah, I'm just downloading British TV shows (mostly cooking/food stuff). There's just not much on American TV these days.

787 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:05:46pm

re: #679 MandyManners

I wonder if he's ever toked.

Possession, but did he inhale?

788 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:08:43pm

re: #786 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I'm just downloading British TV shows (mostly cooking/food stuff). There's just not much on American TV these days.

Hey! same with me. I'm addicted to BBC and ITV. Have you seen QI? Very funny program.

789 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:11:42pm

re: #779 Killgore Trout

Have you ever had any problems with viruses downloading torrents? I started a few months ago but I'm still nervous because you never really know what you downloaded until you open it.

Buy a mac, no worry :)

//only a bit. Just run your scanner on everything otherwise.

William

790 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:12:41pm

re: #788 BruceKelly

QI: What do cats and violins have in common?

Yeah, it's pretty good.

791 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:12:53pm

re: #782 brookly red

can't you scan a download before you open it?

Yes, and my system does it automatically, but the bad guys have gotten so sophisticated that I'm still very wary.

Just because your paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you.

792 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:13:39pm

Was poking around and clicked on "Kid Rock" on Wikipedia.

I never really was impressed. The 2nd paragraph in his bio seems to confirm my suspicions:

"Kid Rocks music is often a rip off of other bands materials and work. Kid Rock is a waste of life. His music has poor taste and is the ramblings of a retarded hill billy."

Heh.

No, I didn't enter that update.

793 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:17:00pm

re: #792 rwmofo

Was poking around and clicked on "Kid Rock" on Wikipedia.

I never really was impressed. The 2nd paragraph in his bio seems to confirm my suspicions:

"Kid Rocks music is often a rip off of other bands materials and work. Kid Rock is a waste of life. His music has poor taste and is the ramblings of a retarded hill billy."

Heh.

No, I didn't enter that update.

Sounds like an insult to retarded hillbillies to me!!
/

794 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:19:49pm

re: #791 BruceKelly

Yes, and my system does it automatically, but the bad guys have gotten so sophisticated that I'm still very wary.

Just because your paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you.

well waiting for the comments won't help much... "hey this POS just wiped my C drive!" is hard to post...

795 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:24:57pm

re: #792 rwmofo

Was poking around and clicked on "Kid Rock" on Wikipedia.

I never really was impressed. The 2nd paragraph in his bio seems to confirm my suspicions:

"Kid Rocks music is often a rip off of other bands materials and work. Kid Rock is a waste of life. His music has poor taste and is the ramblings of a retarded hill billy."
No, I didn't enter that update.

Sigh. If he would just call once in a while and send his child support payments on time, she wouldn't have to resort to this...

796 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:26:15pm

re: #794 brookly red

well waiting for the comments won't help much... "hey this POS just wiped my C drive!" is hard to post...

LOL!

It works for me. No .exe files, careful with archives, no problems so far. And I've gotten a few important heads up from the comments.

797 webevintage  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:35:24pm

Hello everyone...
and Uggghhh.
Doing taxes sucks when the website that is supposed to talk to tubortax and load W2's has decided that it does not know who your spouse is this year. I can't figure out if it is turbotax's fault or the W2 site or some problem with his employer's site.
I never had this much trouble and we've done our taxes on-line for years.
so.frustrated.

Interesting new poll from Kaiser on HCR, 16 pages lots 'o charts.

[Link: www.kff.org...]

"The poll, conducted before the Massachusetts Senate vote, finds opinion about the legislation is split, with 42 percent supporting the proposals, 41 percent opposing them and 16 percent withholding judgment. But majorities reported feeling more favorable toward the legislation after learning about key elements such as the availability of tax credits for small businesses, the creation of health insurance exchanges, the inability of insurers to deny people coverage because of pre-existing conditions and the move to close the Medicare drug benefit’s “doughnut hole.” The notable exceptions were the individual mandate and the overall price tag, both of which tended to make people less supportive of reform efforts."

798 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:36:30pm

Hey Obama fix the economy.

Just what we need, a year long shouting match on the pet project of "health care reform."


Instead.

Fie.

799 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:37:51pm

re: #794 brookly red

I do want to repeat that I only download media files, mostly AVIs. I started doing it when I was hanging out with my brother and the 8th Army in S. Korea (spent about a year there, good times) and I wanted to watch english speaking TV. Armed Forces TV sucked, although we did get all the football games. They were very good about that.

S.K. has several good fishing channels. Fishing is fishing no matter what language.

800 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:38:40pm

re: #798 Ojoe

Hey Obama fix the economy.

Just what we need, a year long shouting match on the pet project of "health care reform."

Instead.

Fie.

seems like he done "fixed" it enough already...

801 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:39:51pm

re: #799 BruceKelly

thanks for the tips.

802 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:41:47pm

re: #792 rwmofoI have a Kid Rock greatest hits CD loaded in the car player right now. I like the blend of rock and rap and the lyrics kind of crack me up.

803 HoosierHoops  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:44:07pm

re: #802 Mich-again

I have a Kid Rock greatest hits CD loaded in the car player right now. I like the blend of rock and rap and the lyrics kind of crack me up.

I wanna be a cowboy Baby!

804 BruceKelly  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:44:24pm

re: #802 Mich-again

I have a Kid Rock greatest hits CD loaded in the car player right now. I like the blend of rock and rap and the lyrics kind of crack me up.

I'm a fan myself, and I'm 52.

805 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:44:36pm

re: #802 Mich-again

I have a Kid Rock greatest hits CD loaded in the car player right now. I like the blend of rock and rap and the lyrics kind of crack me up.

does it have more than one song!?!?!

///

806 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:53:50pm

re: #803 HoosierHoops

I wanna be a cowboy Baby!


Cause chaos, rock like Amadeus
Find West Coast p* for my Detroit players
Mack like mayors, ball like Lakers
They told us to leave, but bet they can't make us

807 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:57:40pm

re: #806 Mich-again

Absolutly Shakesperean!

808 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 1:57:53pm

re: #803 HoosierHoops

I wanna be a cowboy Baby!

scuse me Mr. Cowboy...
there are some Vikings here to see you.

809 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:04:43pm

re: #808 brookly red

scuse me Mr. Cowboy...
there are some Vikings here to see you.

You hurted Tony Womo's and Dawwas's Feewings...
/:)

810 rickadams  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:08:49pm

re: #746 Charles

Now that I think on it, my sense of humor can be a little dry sometimes. Perhaps I should let everyone in on the joke.

In the earlier days of LGF, there was an ad campaign that appeared often on the front page for "Seven Windows," ostensibly a purveyor of fine jewelry. The winsome lass modelling the jewelry was a frequent subject of reverential worship by the regulars. Regretfully, the ad campaign ended, and the Seven Windows girl appeared no more, but I know I'll never forget her!

811 stevemcg  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 2:13:27pm

re: #792 rwmofo

Was poking around and clicked on "Kid Rock" on Wikipedia.

I never really was impressed. The 2nd paragraph in his bio seems to confirm my suspicions:

"Kid Rocks music is often a rip off of other bands materials and work. Kid Rock is a waste of life. His music has poor taste and is the ramblings of a retarded hill billy."

Heh.

No, I didn't enter that update.

Right now both Warren Zevon and Ronnie Van Zandt are turning in their graves. Personally, I'm more disgusted with the Lynryd Skynyrd remains than Kid Rock.


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