Read of the Day: Glenn Beck Hitlerfest

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Michael Calderone has a good piece on Glenn Beck’s latest fever swamp Hitlerfest — a four-hour “documentary” titled “The Revolutionary Holocaust: Live Free…or Die.”

Use the Holocaust to promote your TV show. Classy!

Viewers tuning into MSNBC at 5 p.m. on Friday would have seen Chris Matthews riffing on President Barack Obama’s speech in Ohio, while CNN’s “The Situation Room” led with the earthquake in Haiti.

But Fox News wasn’t focusing on the day’s news. Instead, host Glenn Beck ran through the atrocities of Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara - “the true unseen history of Marxism, progressivism and communism” as Beck described it - with some implied lessons for today.

Over the past year, Beck has used images from Nazi rallies or the Soviet Union when stoking fears of creeping socialism in the United States. And he’s often placed historical figures into the far-out theories he diagrams on his chalkboard. But in Friday’s hour-long documentary, titled “The Revolutionary Holocaust: Live Free…or Die,” Beck doubled down on the use of imagery pulled from the 20th century’s totalitarian past to make a point about citizens needing to be wary of government overreach in the present.

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664 comments
1 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:48:51pm

Good gravy! What an EPIC violation of Godwin's Law!

2 Kronocide  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:49:18pm

Beck has mainstreamed Godwin's Law.

3 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:53:49pm
4 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:53:58pm
Goldberg, reached before the show aired, described what he'd seen of it as "very hard-hitting."

But that doesn't mean he believes the historical arguments are meant to infer that the current Democratic regime could commit atrocities on the level of Hitler or Stalin. "If they're trying to make the case that Obama's going to lead to anything like the 65 million killed or the concentration camps, I'd be the first to condemn it," Goldberg said.


Well that's a relief, Dr. Frankenstein.

5 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:57:49pm

What does Hitler have to do with Marxism, other than he hated Marxism?

6 Jaerik  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:58:51pm

The amazing thing is how Beck's assertion that the Nazi's were left wing, by nature of their name ("German Socialist Party"), has been immediately snapped up as truth by everyone I know who watches Fox. Despite the fact it flies in the face of over half a century of political theory.

When I point out that similarly, the Democratic Republic of Korea is not democratic nor a republic, I get blank stares.

7 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 3:59:11pm

re: #5 Obdicut

What does Hitler have to do with Marxism, other than he hated Marxism?

In Beck's mind, Nazis=Bad. Marxists=Bad, therefore Nazis=Marxists.

8 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:00:21pm
9 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:01:09pm
Alan Wolfe, director of the Boisi Center for Religion and American Life at Boston College, said that the film not only isn't accurate, but that Beck "lives in a complete alternative universe."

Is it too early to nominate that as Understatement Of The Year?

10 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:02:25pm

re: #9 Slumbering Behemoth

Is it too early to nominate that as Understatement Of The Year?

In response, countless Parallel Dimensions denied Beck was from any one of them...

11 Gus  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:03:35pm

The ever milquetoast Nick Gillespie provides a pollyannaish assessment of the "film" by Glenn Beck:

"Beck may be a strange mix of comedy and pathos, but he's also bringing substantive discussion to cable news and creating arguments that can be engaged, refuted or amended,"

We have reached a new low in the American dialogue when Beck's work is characterized as being substantive. This country has already fallen behind on the amount of engineers and scientists we graduate and now some as Gillespie are elevating Beck as vehicle for a "substantive discussion" in history.

The outright revisionism is obviously inspired by Jonah Goldberg's inane and revisionist book, "Liberal Fascism."

12 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:03:48pm

I found this quote particularly interesting in the artical

"No one in their right mind is going to defend Stalin or Mao or Che Guevara," Marks said. "The implication is that this is what's going to happen if Democrats get their way. This is just a complete lie."

13 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:09:09pm

re: #11 Gus 802

Bingo. It's possible that the term "Fascism" will simply become useless, because of a mix of correct and incorrect understandings. That leaves something akward like "right-wing authoritarianism" for a patchwork.

14 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:09:40pm

Glenn Beck is gross.

15 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:10:45pm

re: #6 Jaerik

"See, it's right there in the name: 'National Socialist'."

That argument is one of the lamest. I'll wager their heads would explode if you were to tell them that this isn't made from real bananas, let alone ninety-nine of them.

16 affenkopf  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:10:50pm

I'm sorry, but I cant take an article that spells Hitler's name wrong serious. The article makes a good point but to get something so basic wrong does not reflect well on the journalistic standard of the rest of the article.

17 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:11:20pm

re: #11 Gus 802

This reminds me of something I wanted to post. OT, but I feel it's very important, so I think Charles will excuse me.

I got to meet with a guy who's an expert in child mathematical learning at work on Friday.

To be blunt, math education in this country sucks. It sucks on every level. Our textbooks suck, our curriculum sucks, our methods suck, and our demands from our teachers suck.

Our children enter first grade at least a year behind Chinese students, and they fall further behind during their education. This is even true when compared to the system of Catholic schools in the US.

As an example of what's wrong: Our textbooks are about four times as long as equivalent textbooks in China or Denmark (Danes also rule at math). They're crammed with all this asinine 'narrative' stuff that's supposed to make the math attractive because it shows the superbowl and then says "You couldn't have the superbowl without math!" Moreover, the average number of typos we have in our textbooks is pathetically high-- I can't remember the exact figures, but it's insane that we allow ANY typos in a mathematics textbook.

I could go on, but: Do what you can to support good math and science standards in your community, join your school board, make your voice heard.

Here's a long, boring PDF on the subject, but googling it is pretty easy.

[Link: nces.ed.gov...]

18 Racer X  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:11:23pm

re: #12 lrsshadow

I found this quote particularly interesting in the artical

"No one in their right mind is going to defend Stalin or Mao or Che Guevara," Marks said. "The implication is that this is what's going to happen if Democrats get their way. This is just a complete lie."

Except maybe that Obama campaign worker with the picture of Che on her office wall.

19 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:13:30pm

re: #18 Racer X

No one in their right mind.

20 Gus  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:13:41pm

re: #13 Decatur Deb

Bingo. It's possible that the term "Fascism" will simply become useless, because of a mix of correct and incorrect understandings. That leaves something akward like "right-wing authoritarianism" for a patchwork.

It's my understanding that Beck and Goldberg think that there has never been a case of right-wing authoritarianism. They believe that all authoritarianism is left wing. Goldberg also implies that collectivism is also a monopoly of the left wing. Thus we have his simplistic conclusion that since Nazism is collectivist (or socialist) therefore it must be left wing.

21 HillJack  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:13:46pm

So I was just wondering. Did anyone watch the show or are you just regurgitating what you heard others say about it?

22 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:13:57pm

the MSM has gone bonkers...like something out of a movie...expect Beck to deliver the big speech at the GOP gig in 2012...maybe even a candidate, nothing, nothing surprises me anymore

23 Racer X  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:13:57pm

re: #19 Slumbering Behemoth

No one in their right mind.

Heh.

24 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:14:12pm

Incoming!

25 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:14:28pm

re: #21 HillJack

I'll regurgitate something on you in a minute.

26 Racer X  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:14:43pm

Oh this is going to be good.

Who wants a beer?

27 ethics  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:14:50pm

re: #17 Obdicut

To be blunt, math education in this country sucks. It sucks on every level. Our textbooks suck, our curriculum sucks, our methods suck, and our demands from our teachers suck.

[Link: nces.ed.gov...]

Reminds me of my confused state when I entered the 4th grade in the US for the first time. And then I saw what was being done on the board (math class). I thought it was some cryptic riddle beyond face value. I realized that this is what they teach for math here in the US. :(

28 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:14:55pm

re: #19 Slumbering Behemoth

No one in their right mind.

they are in their right mind alright...the far left are lunatics

29 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:15:17pm
30 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:15:20pm

re: #21 HillJack

So I was just wondering. Did anyone watch the show or are you just regurgitating what you heard others say about it?

I was about to comment on the article posted above. Do I need to watch the show before I can do that?

31 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:15:47pm

re: #21 HillJack

So I was just wondering. Did anyone watch the show or are you just regurgitating what you heard others say about it?

I listen to him on the radio and catch a show once in a while. In regards to BEck, what do you want to talk about?

32 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:15:51pm

re: #6 Jaerik

The amazing thing is how Beck's assertion that the Nazi's were left wing, by nature of their name ("German Socialist Party"), has been immediately snapped up as truth by everyone I know who watches Fox. Despite the fact it flies in the face of over half a century of political theory.

When I point out that similarly, the Democratic Republic of Korea is not democratic nor a republic, I get blank stares.

That would make out for an interesting debate though. I had always wonder why a Nazi government was classified as a right wing political party.

Sure there is an overwhelming zeal of nationalism, we see the same things under communism with the large parades held by communist countries, and further to the point Nazi government has control of business, and all of the individual, life, health, and their reproduction.

Wouldn't that be considered a form or extreme government control further to the left of communism?

In the long run I don't think the left-right paradigm works for either communism or nazism, they are both abominations upon the world in my opinion should be labeled as such. It would just simplify things.

33 Racer X  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:15:52pm

re: #21 HillJack

So I was just wondering. Did anyone watch the show or are you just regurgitating what you heard others say about it?

I take it you watched it?

Give us your perspective.

34 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:16:12pm

re: #25 Obdicut

I'll regurgitate something on you in a minute.

form a line please....

35 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:16:45pm

re: #32 lrsshadow

The right-left paradigm doesn't really work for anything. It's always an oversimplification.

36 Linden Arden  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:17:28pm

Well, the far right has put the "re-history" on Ayn Rand as one their own despite the fact that she detested William Buckley and Ronald Reagan.

An interesting article on the why - Buckley's Big Mistake - its very relevant to this blog.

37 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:17:47pm

re: #28 albusteve

they are in their right mind alright...the far left are lunatics

It's the "far" part that makes that work, in any direction.

38 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:17:53pm
But Edwards said he was impressed by Beck's "solid research" and willingness to take on "still-prevailing myths about Che Guevara and Mao." In Edwards opinion, it was "one of the best documentaries [he's] seen on communism," and rare in today's media world.

"I think this suggests the line on Beck that he is some kind of wild man is just not true," Edwards said. "This guy is thoughtful and interested in history. How many journalists in cable, print or whatever have this kind of interest in giving you a historical context. I think he should be commended for that."

Figures it's the Heritage Foundation fellow who commends Beck.

39 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:17:56pm

re: #21 HillJack

I watched it.

40 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:18:30pm

re: #18 Racer X

Except maybe that Obama campaign worker with the picture of Che on her office wall.

lol, yep not to mention all the other people who have said good things about Mao, Che, and Stalin in public and academia

41 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:19:14pm

re: #21 HillJack

So I was just wondering. Did anyone watch the show or are you just regurgitating what you heard others say about it?

So you were being dishonest, you really didn't want to talk to any of us about it?

42 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:19:31pm

re: #37 Decatur Deb

It's the "far" part that makes that work, in any direction.

I don't suppose BO has a little shrine to Che in the WH, but no doubt people out there do

43 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:20:03pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

I watched it.

I tried, I really did. Beck gives me a migraine, seriously.

44 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:20:44pm

re: #42 albusteve

I don't suppose BO has a little shrine to Che in the WH, but no doubt people out there do

Enough to sell a lot of t-shirts.

45 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:21:14pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

Give it a minute, it could be taking a pee break.

46 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:21:40pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

Figures it's the Heritage Foundation fellow who commends Beck.

the HF has tanked, plain and simple...sort of depressing

47 Gus  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:21:50pm

re: #17 Obdicut

I remember when I was a kid and my sister who had just spent the first 6 years of her primary education in Catholic school and was suddenly placed into a public school there was much discussion regarding the vast difference in education level compared with equal grade levels.

48 darthstar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:21:54pm

Glenn Beck has no soul and will use any tragedy, including the Holocaust, for personal gain? Tell me something I don't know.

49 The Curmudgeon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:22:09pm

If a government is totalitarian, it doesn't really matter if it came out of the left or the right. The end result is essentially the same. The Constitution, were it still respected, would keep both at bay. But that's not working too well these days.

50 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:22:12pm

re: #45 Slumbering Behemoth

Give it a minute, it could be taking a pee break.

or snorting up some confidence

51 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:22:19pm

re: #43 Varek Raith

I considered it fairly dull. It was mostly Jonah Goldberg historical revisionism but I'm looking forward to his future installments which are probably going to be much more interesting.

52 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:22:36pm

re: #32 lrsshadow

Both far left and far right are similar: extremists with a will to power and no respect for others.

You can interchange them.

53 Racer X  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:22:48pm

Che is so cool!

54 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:23:36pm

re: #21 HillJack

So I was just wondering. Did anyone watch the show or are you just regurgitating what you heard others say about it?

That's all we do around here is regurgitate. Without even eating first. It's a gift.

Kinda like the one you have for disingenuity.

Yes, I know that's not a word. But it works for what you're trying here.

55 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:23:41pm

re: #47 Gus 802

I remember when I was a kid and my sister who had just spent the first 6 years of her primary education in Catholic school and was suddenly placed into a public school there was much discussion regarding the vast difference in education level compared with equal grade levels.

And discipline. Those 18" steel edged rulers hurt like hell.

56 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:24:07pm

re: #44 Decatur Deb

Enough to sell a lot of t-shirts.

I get very pissy when I see those...I even confronted some woman in Walmart wearing one...I made a scene, but she was a total dope...such a shame, how stupid people choose to be

57 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:24:21pm

re: #52 Ojoe

Both far left and far right are similar: extremists with a will to power and no respect for others.

You can interchange them.

Yes and there is always some kind of "victim" status applied for justification for doing all kinds of bad stuff and of coarse a Utopian ideal to make it all worth it, but it always ends in pure evil.

58 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:24:28pm

re: #53 Racer X

Che is so cool!

Marxism.

59 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:24:45pm

re: #47 Gus 802

Yes. Catholic schools are definitely better, but... we need to do even better. And a lot of that comes from the parents, and their attitudes towards science and math.

One of the reasons we have less social mobility in this country than they do in Denmark is the poor education of the, well, poor, and our attitudes towards science and mathematics. The large streak of anti-intellectualism in this country is hurting us, badly. Education is the best route out of poverty, and what we're serving up as education in some places in this country doesn't deserve the name.

60 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:24:53pm

re: #40 lrsshadow

lol, yep not to mention all the other people who have said good things about Mao, Che, and Stalin in public and academia

Although I think it is only good & proper that we don't forget about the ugliness of the past and remind/educate people from time to time just who Che & Hitler etc. really were & what they really did, I just don't think Beck should be the one providing that ervice to humanity.

61 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:24:55pm

re: #52 Ojoe

Both far left and far right are similar: extremists with a will to power and no respect for others.

You can interchange them.

Ding ding ding!!

62 HillJack  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:24:57pm

re: #30 wrenchwench

I was just asking a question. Why so defensive? My point is that I can gaurantee that the majority of posters on here won't take the time to check out the content for themselves.

63 Gus  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:25:07pm

re: #55 austin_blue

And discipline. Those 18" steel edged rulers hurt like hell.

Discipline was something I was going to mention.

Ours was wood.

64 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:25:54pm

re: #56 albusteve

I get very pissy when I see those...I even confronted some woman in Walmart wearing one...I made a scene, but she was a total dope...such a shame, how stupid people choose to be

Would you do the same if someone wore a T-shirt with the iconic image of George Armstrong Custer? Because he was a similar bastard who killed a similar number of innocent people before meeting a similar fate.

65 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:26:04pm

re: #62 HillJack

Nice (not) deflection.

66 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:27:16pm

re: #60 brookly red

Although I think it is only good & proper that we don't forget about the ugliness of the past and remind/educate people from time to time just who Che & Hitler etc. really were & what they really did, I just don't think Beck should be the one providing that ervice to humanity.

Yes, but you know what they say in show business "ratings are everything" and for some reason he is popular.

Although I think I will stick to books and the History Channel for my history education.

67 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:27:34pm

re: #54 Cato the Elder

That's all we do around here is regurgitate. Without even eating first. It's a gift.

Kinda like the one you have for disingenuity.

Yes, I know that's not a word. But it works for what you're trying here.

you have my permission to make up words...I'm not real good at it but I love it anyway...who says we can't unrecall old indefinations?

68 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:28:01pm

re: #62 HillJack

How can you guarantee that? If it's due to psychic powers, where's Hoffa at?

69 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:28:39pm

Why are there so few distinct species of troll? I already have at least one head of each type mounted above the fireplace in my den, and there's room for plenty more, but the same ones keep stumbling into my crosshairs. I swear I resent wasting good bullets on 'em.

70 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:28:50pm

re: #62 HillJack

I was just asking a question. Why so defensive? My point is that I can gaurantee that the majority of posters on here won't take the time to check out the content for themselves.

I asked you a question too. I read the posted article. I don't have a TV. Am I unqualified to address the article if I have not watched the show?

71 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:28:58pm

re: #64 Cato the Elder

Would you do the same if someone wore a T-shirt with the iconic image of George Armstrong Custer? Because he was a similar bastard who killed a similar number of innocent people before meeting a similar fate.

yes, no question...he ranks near the top of my shit list

72 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:29:09pm

re: #59 Obdicut

I took my daughter from an Alabama school to a middle school in Italy. It was rough, but she had a harder time 3 yrs later when we rotated back. The US highschool just didn't think of math the way she learned. Forget Art and languages.

73 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:29:38pm

re: #66 lrsshadow

Yes, but you know what they say in show business "ratings are everything" and for some reason he is popular.

Although I think I will stick to books and the History Channel for my history education.

cool.
and while we are at it, I think it's long over due that we stop sanitizing 9/11 & show the footage when appropriate too.

74 Racer X  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:29:56pm

re: #56 albusteve

I get very pissy when I see those...I even confronted some woman in Walmart wearing one...I made a scene, but she was a total dope...such a shame, how stupid people choose to be

I usually pretend to be enamored with Che as well - and express glee at him murdering so many capitalist pigs. But then I express frustration as to why he was so thoroughly rejected by almost all of his former allies. When I walk away smirking they have no idea why.

75 darthstar  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:30:03pm

re: #69 Cato the Elder

Why are there so few distinct species of troll? I already have at least one head of each type mounted above the fireplace in my den, and there's room for plenty more, but the same ones keep stumbling into my crosshairs. I swear I resent wasting good bullets on 'em.

Bullets? You can take them out easier with a few choice words. I find "Please explain." usually does the trick.

76 Olderthandirt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:30:38pm

Fascinating! Although, Beck's point that seldom does American TV or news ever highlight what the Marxist countries did is on target. American media usually points out those who lean towards Hitlerian tendencies or those it accuses of doing so, it seldom talks about the killings Che and Fidel did, the killings Pol Pot, Mao, Mugabe, Ortega, or other such Marxists have done. IMHO, that's all Beck is doing with his documentary and I could be wrong on that, but I doubt it.

But, yes, Beck is a popularist and sensationalist and he's not along in that regard amongst TV people.

Be of good cheer; bwahahahahahahahahaha.

77 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:30:47pm

re: #62 HillJack

I was just asking a question. Why so defensive? My point is that I can gaurantee that the majority of posters on here won't take the time to check out the content for themselves.

I didn't watch it, I don't hate Beck like some posters here, but that might be because I have only watched about an hour of Beck in my life, so I haven't much exposure, but people are free to watch what they want to. It doesn't bother me what Beck says. I haven't had TV in 7 years.

78 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:31:48pm

re: #69 Cato the Elder

Re: Why are there so few distinct species of troll?


I know, I know!
natural selection!

79 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:32:36pm

re: #76 Olderthandirt

Hmmm, interesting avatar ya got there.

80 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:32:49pm

re: #62 HillJack

I was just asking a question. Why so defensive? My point is that I can gaurantee that the majority of posters on here won't take the time to check out the content for themselves.

Why would one want to see the same bad movie twenty seven times? The schtick is well known. Create a nontroversy, froth, blather, repeat.

Gets real old, real fast. Hell of a profit maker, though, given the number of idiots and terminally under-read citizens we have in this country.

81 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:33:11pm

re: #77 lrsshadow

I didn't watch it, I don't hate Beck like some posters here, but that might be because I have only watched about an hour of Beck in my life, so I haven't much exposure, but people are free to watch what they want to. It doesn't bother me what Beck says. I haven't had TV in 7 years.

credibility x2! in my book.

82 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:33:58pm

I watched the Gillespie piece on hollywoods fascination with Che. That counts.

83 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:35:53pm

re: #81 brookly red

credibility x2! in my book.

thanks i have never been happier, i never have to watch commercials

84 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:36:30pm

Another guy rescued in Haiti - 11 days after.... Searches officially terminated.

85 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:37:28pm

Beck has poorly defined ego boundaries.

86 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:37:37pm

re: #77 lrsshadow

I didn't watch it, I don't hate Beck like some posters here, but that might be because I have only watched about an hour of Beck in my life, so I haven't much exposure, but people are free to watch what they want to. It doesn't bother me what Beck says. I haven't had TV in 7 years.

Surely you're not saying your ambivalence towards Beck, or anyone, for that matter, is based upon not seeing them on TV?

87 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:38:31pm

re: #76 Olderthandirt

As for your post, it's really quite simple. Beck believes the Obama Admin is steering us towards some Hitler/Stalinesque Socialist/Fascist Paradise.
Or some such nonsense.

88 Gus  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:38:56pm

re: #59 Obdicut

Yes. Catholic schools are definitely better, but... we need to do even better. And a lot of that comes from the parents, and their attitudes towards science and math.

One of the reasons we have less social mobility in this country than they do in Denmark is the poor education of the, well, poor, and our attitudes towards science and mathematics. The large streak of anti-intellectualism in this country is hurting us, badly. Education is the best route out of poverty, and what we're serving up as education in some places in this country doesn't deserve the name.

A lot of it has to do with pop-culture and how it became the norm for many standards. Education used to be treated with near reverence.

It's true that education is sometimes the best route out of poverty but I recall there was a time when people ascribed too much monetary riches by way of an education. I remember in the 1980s when the common answer to the question "what do you want to major in" was "anything were I can make a lot of money."

The quest for monetary riches is a poor motivator for education in the long run. A person can seek an MBA which may lead to riches however the first motivator would have to be the love for business or more to the point the topic or field.

This same motivation has been transferred into the popular belief that celebrity is a means for riches. Hence the popularity of "American Idol" and how so many kids today want to be singers or movie stars rather than engineers or doctors.

89 Lidane  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:39:07pm

re: #6 Jaerik

The amazing thing is how Beck's assertion that the Nazi's were left wing, by nature of their name ("German Socialist Party"), has been immediately snapped up as truth by everyone I know who watches Fox. Despite the fact it flies in the face of over half a century of political theory.

When I point out that similarly, the Democratic Republic of Korea is not democratic nor a republic, I get blank stares.

Ugh. I've been fighting that bit of idiocy for years now.

I can't even begin to count how many otherwise intelligent people who are conservative and/or Republican have looked me in the eye and said with a straight face that Hitler and the Nazis were liberals or otherwise left wing. It's both mind-boggling and nauseating.

Pointing out that Naizism and Socialism were opposing political viewpoints goes nowhere, too. I've done everything short of drawing them a diagram and the only response I get is a blank stare and some variant of the remark that I'm only trying to prove a distinction because I'm a liberal and I'm in denial that Hitler was on my side.

ARGH. It's idiocy, I tell you. Mind-blowing idiocy. Have these people never read a history book? =P

90 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:39:08pm

re: #76 Olderthandirt

re:American media usually points out those who lean towards Hitlerian tendencies or those it accuses of doing so, it seldom talks about the killings Che and Fidel did, the killings Pol Pot, Mao, Mugabe, Ortega, or other such Marxists have done.

/it's complicated...

91 Olderthandirt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:40:37pm

re: #79 Varek Raith
It's historic and true!

92 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:41:14pm

re: #88 Gus 802

I take your point well. I didn't mean to indicate that we should use economic motivators for reading, but rather, that raising the average educational level of a population is a good way to break the cycle of poverty.

Mainly, I just wish we educated people enough about math and science that they weren't getting ripped off most every moment of their lives.

93 drcordell  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:41:57pm

I can't believe that the EIC of reason.com was on the show. unbelievable.

94 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:42:15pm

re: #92 Obdicut

I take your point well. I didn't mean to indicate that we should use economic motivators for reading, but rather, that raising the average educational level of a population is a good way to break the cycle of poverty.

Mainly, I just wish we educated people enough about math and science that they weren't getting ripped off most every moment of their lives.

/careful what you ask for

95 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:42:24pm

Note that Beck - whose name is almost enough to put me off a really decent brand of German beer - describes what he's doing as revealing “the true unseen history of Marxism, progressivism and communism”.

Yet he mostly talks about Nazis.

It's part and parcel of the bullshit "National Socialism and the Holocaust were really leftist phenomena" meme.

Er ist zum kotzen.

96 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:42:28pm

re: #86 solomonpanting

no more saying that I haven't spent hours watching Beck, so I haven't gotten as much exposure, I think Beck and all the rest of the crazy people on TV are not as big of a deal as people make out.

97 Olderthandirt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:43:32pm

re: #87 Varek Raith

Yeah, I know, "O" is simply misunderstood, he really means well for all of us who are truly deserving! Yep! Just ask Keith O. on MSNBC or Chris M.

98 HillJack  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:43:40pm

Yeah I watched it and if you could get past the hysterics the history was on the mark. Read Mein Kampf and you Will see exactly what Hitler thought of communism.
Take out of the show what you will but you can't deny that Stalin, Mao, and Che have had there "edges" knocked off by our educational system. Why in the name of God would anyone hold three of the most prolific murderers in history in such high regard. People don't quote Hitler so why quote Mao? Che was a murdering animal but people wear his likeness on shirts. Why? Stalin and communism killed more people than Hitler could dream about but our educational system leaves that part of history out. Why? Jump on me if you want, I'm an adult I can take it, but there is something wrong with a society or a movement that celebrates monsters like these.

99 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:44:19pm

re: #97 Olderthandirt

Yeah, I know, "O" is simply misunderstood, he really means well for all of us who are truly deserving! Yep! Just ask Keith O. on MSNBC or Chris M.

Is your nick supposed to be descriptive of every point you make? Because it is.

100 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:44:32pm

re: #90 brookly red

re:American media usually points out those who lean towards Hitlerian tendencies or those it accuses of doing so, it seldom talks about the killings Che and Fidel did, the killings Pol Pot, Mao, Mugabe, Ortega, or other such Marxists have done.

/it's complicated...

Not really. WWII was pretty spectacular and the holocaust took place in Europe. It would be nice if the media paid more attention to places like Darfur but the public isn't really that interested. Africa, South America and Asia just don't get enough attention. If you were to count up WWII movies the majority of them would be set in Europe rather than the Pacific. There's no great cover up or conspiracy.

101 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:44:33pm

re: #96 lrsshadow

no more saying that I haven't spent hours watching Beck, so I haven't gotten as much exposure, I think Beck and all the rest of the crazy people on TV are not as big of a deal as people make out.

Not a big deal? He's an outrage, he's the outrage of the day, week, month... of the whole year... there is so much outrage to be outraged about that I'm outraged that you don't understand that.

102 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:44:40pm

re: #94 brookly red

That includes me wishing that people could see through politician's bullshit, whether it's the asinine assertions that the Democrats make about gun deaths, or calling Inhofe on his looney-tunes statements about AGW. I think our nation would be a lot stronger if we were at least arguing factually with each other.

103 Gus  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:44:46pm

re: #92 Obdicut

I take your point well. I didn't mean to indicate that we should use economic motivators for reading, but rather, that raising the average educational level of a population is a good way to break the cycle of poverty.

Mainly, I just wish we educated people enough about math and science that they weren't getting ripped off most every moment of their lives.

I know that wasn't what you meant. I just ended up expanding on that. Just a little tired on my end.

Math and science has been sidelined because we coddle our younger citizens. It's seen as being "challenge" and am surprised that it hasn't been medicalized yet.

104 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:45:17pm

re: #93 drcordell

I can't believe that the EIC of reason.com was on the show. unbelievable.

Reason has been a cesspool of libertarian nuttiness for quite some time.

105 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:45:27pm

re: #97 Olderthandirt

Yeah, I know, "O" is simply misunderstood, he really means well for all of us who are truly deserving! Yep! Just ask Keith O. on MSNBC or Chris M.

Okely Dokely.
...

106 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:46:37pm

re: #98 HillJack

People don't quote Hitler so why quote Mao?

I'll quote either, if I'm of a mind to. Not favorably, though.

107 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:46:54pm

re: #98 HillJack

Yeah I watched it and if you could get past the hysterics the history was on the mark. Read Mein Kampf and you Will see exactly what Hitler thought of communism.
Take out of the show what you will but you can't deny that Stalin, Mao, and Che have had there "edges" knocked off by our educational system. Why in the name of God would anyone hold three of the most prolific murderers in history in such high regard. People don't quote Hitler so why quote Mao? Che was a murdering animal but people wear his likeness on shirts. Why? Stalin and communism killed more people than Hitler could dream about but our educational system leaves that part of history out. Why? Jump on me if you want, I'm an adult I can take it, but there is something wrong with a society or a movement that celebrates monsters like these.

Well, we certainly have a bit of some cultural iconography going on when it comes to Che and his image on fashion, but where do you see celebration in regards to Mao and Hitler?

108 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:46:55pm

re: #89 Lidane

Does a governments opposition to a political party make it, its opposite?

That would seem to be the only argument that anyone makes besides nationalism for placing Nazi party on the right. Like I have said in other posts it is just an abomination like communism. They don't belong on the left right political spectrum, they belong all by themselves.

The first mistake was made by placing Nazism on the right and communism on the left, they are both forms of overreaching government control the lead directly to totalitarianism.

109 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:47:24pm

re: #102 Obdicut

That includes me wishing that people could see through politician's bullshit, whether it's the asinine assertions that the Democrats make about gun deaths, or calling Inhofe on his looney-tunes statements about AGW. I think our nation would be a lot stronger if we were at least arguing factually with each other.

well perhaps we should start with our educational system?

110 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:48:00pm

re: #98 HillJack

Our educational system doesn't leave it out, though. That's silly.

Here's a random curriculum map from a random school:

[Link: www.education.ky.gov...]

They study the rise of totalitarianims, in reference to the Bolshevik revolution in Russia. I'm not sure how you think studying the rise of totalitarianism is 'knocking the edges off'.

We spend far too little time on China in our schools, I agree, but that's a general problem, not specific to the Maoist period.

111 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:49:07pm

re: #88 Gus 802

A lot of it has to do with pop-culture and how it became the norm for many standards. Education used to be treated with near reverence.

It's true that education is sometimes the best route out of poverty but I recall there was a time when people ascribed too much monetary riches by way of an education. I remember in the 1980s when the common answer to the question "what do you want to major in" was "anything were I can make a lot of money."

The quest for monetary riches is a poor motivator for education in the long run. A person can seek an MBA which may lead to riches however the first motivator would have to be the love for business or more to the point the topic or field.

This same motivation has been transferred into the popular belief that celebrity is a means for riches. Hence the popularity of "American Idol" and how so many kids today want to be singers or movie stars rather than engineers or doctors.

That was well said. The fact is, learning is hard. It's work. We seem to have grown a couple of short-attention-span generations (please pardon the broad brush) where the terribly unlikely is the perceived key to success.

It's not. It's nose-to-the-grindstone learning of a trade. Doesn't matter whether it is a blue collar, white collar, science, or the arts. It's plain old hard work.

112 Linden Arden  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:49:33pm

re: #93 drcordell

I can't believe that the EIC of reason.com was on the show. unbelievable.

Marching orders.


Sons Charles G. Koch and David H. Koch run the company as well as Koch Family Foundations, one of the largest single sources of funding for conservative organizations in the United States. Organizations and think tanks supported by the foundation include Citizens for a Sound Economy, the libertarian Cato Institute, Reason Magazine, the Manhattan Institute, the Heartland Institute, and the Democratic Leadership Council. David H. Koch ran for president on the Libertarian Party ticket in 1980. Author Thomas Frank wrote in "What's the Matter with Kansas?" that "Koch money flowed through Triad Management Services"[3], an advisory service to conservative donors groups and candidates, for the 1996 Senate campaign of Sam Brownback.[4] Other sources only hint at a connection of Koch family members and Triad.

(sourcewatch.com)

Old man Koch was a Bircher.

Koch also funds climate denial organizations.

113 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:49:54pm

If your goal is to be a great historical figure, a high body count is career-enhancing. I believe Napoleon holds the European title for library space.

114 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:50:25pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Not really. WWII was pretty spectacular and the holocaust took place in Europe. It would be nice if the media paid more attention to places like Darfur but the public isn't really that interested. Africa, South America and Asia just don't get enough attention. If you were to count up WWII movies the majority of them would be set in Europe rather than the Pacific. There's no great cover up or conspiracy.

true just omission

115 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:51:39pm

re: #101 Walter L. Newton

Not a big deal? He's an outrage, he's the outrage of the day, week, month... of the whole year... there is so much outrage to be outraged about that I'm outraged that you don't understand that.

oh I guess compared with Beck, CNN still is a piece of shit for showing our soldiers in Iraq being snipped by an al Queda sniper who video taped it.

Like it or not Beck would appear to be a great spinster, he uses a kernal of truth, twists it around, show you some more stuff, to get you to jump to a conclusion. He is not the first and not the last.

If he calls out for violence or illegal activity then I will worry. If not then he is just another popular guy and will probably fade like any other fad. I have much more important things to spend time on then getting bent out of shape about a right wing political shock jock.

116 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:51:52pm

re: #113 Decatur Deb

If your goal is to be a great historical figure, a high body count is career-enhancing. I believe Napoleon holds the European title for library space.

/f'n Francophiles

117 ethics  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:51:59pm

re: #98 HillJack

In what way?

Hill, I am a product of Soviet Union. Lived there for years, born and bred and yes, having to stand up and recite 2 page Lenin poems in 1st grade. But the focus was Lenin (or Brezhnev at the time) never Stalin. Even Soviets never quoted Stalin because he had very few things that were profound.
BUT
There is one of the most accurate sayings that I re-use came from Stalin:One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic. Both Hitler and Stalin were nimrods intellectually, however, and gained insight form the genius military leaders that they were surrounded with. Much which was attributed to them came from another source that was re-used by the leaders.

Che? I agree with you. I don't understand that one because even Soviets never obsessed or even propagated him (or anything Cuba produced) as anything more than meh.

118 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:52:09pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Not really. WWII was pretty spectacular and the holocaust took place in Europe. It would be nice if the media paid more attention to places like Darfur but the public isn't really that interested. Africa, South America and Asia just don't get enough attention. If you were to count up WWII movies the majority of them would be set in Europe rather than the Pacific. There's no great cover up or conspiracy.

She said "seldom talks about", not cover up. (i interject because I agree with B. Red). i hear holierthanthou journalists talk all the time about 'educating' us through their reporting, so i'm not terribly interested in letting the 'interest of the public' be a factor in whether the media covers despotic rulers with equal zest...just me, tho

119 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:52:16pm

re: #115 lrsshadow

If you have better things to do, why aren't you doing them?

120 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:53:35pm

re: #116 brookly red

/f'n Francophiles

Degage, espece de rouge. C'est une jolie langue...

121 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:54:15pm

re: #98 HillJack

Yeah I watched it and if you could get past the hysterics the history was on the mark. Read Mein Kampf and you Will see exactly what Hitler thought of communism.
Take out of the show what you will but you can't deny that Stalin, Mao, and Che have had there "edges" knocked off by our educational system. Why in the name of God would anyone hold three of the most prolific murderers in history in such high regard. People don't quote Hitler so why quote Mao? Che was a murdering animal but people wear his likeness on shirts. Why? Stalin and communism killed more people than Hitler could dream about but our educational system leaves that part of history out. Why? Jump on me if you want, I'm an adult I can take it, but there is something wrong with a society or a movement that celebrates monsters like these.

Ah, the educational system is at fault as opposed to pop culture.

Idiot. There. Jumped on.

122 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:54:44pm

re: #119 Obdicut

I am doing them right now, :)

123 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:55:43pm

re: #121 austin_blue

Ah, the educational system is at fault as opposed to pop culture.

Idiot. There. Jumped on.

If only we allowed God back into the schools!11!1

124 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:56:05pm

re: #122 lrsshadow

So spending your time telling people to not get bent out of shape about Beck is the 'more important thing' you have to do?

125 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:56:10pm

re: #120 Aceofwhat?

?Release, species of red. C' is a pretty language…?

HUH?

126 Lidane  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:56:29pm

re: #108 lrsshadow

The point is, Nazism != Socialism, and vice versa. Our American ideas of what constitutes left and right have no bearing on it at all. You can't be both a Nazi and a Socialist. They're incompatible.

Sadly, with books about "liberal fascism" out there and all the dire and apocalyptic language from people like Beck about what sorts of evil will befall mankind because a Democrat is in the White House, it's getting harder and harder to point this distinction out.

Yes, both political systems suck. I agree with you. I'm not denying that at all. But when I hear otherwise intelligent people trying to tell me that Hitler and the Nazis were liberals, that the Holocaust was a left-wing phenomenon, and that somehow, I'm just like them because my own personal views skew towards the left side of the aisle, I can't help but rage at that and try and point out the flaws in their logic.

127 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:57:09pm

re: #125 brookly red

Disengage, 'brookly red', it's a fun and lovely language.

128 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:58:02pm

re: #124 Obdicut

Bingo, tell him what he has won, oh and I am multitasking.

129 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:58:11pm

re: #123 Varek Raith

If only we allowed God back into the schools!11!1

that's silly... God don't need no stinkin hall pass!

130 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:58:13pm

re: #125 brookly red

?Release, species of red. C' is a pretty language…?

HUH?

tsk, tsk. go to babelfish, get babel. you can't translate literally.

131 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:58:48pm

re: #127 Obdicut

More idiomatically,: "Back off, red guy, it's a cool language."

132 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:59:14pm

re: #127 Obdicut

Disengage, 'brookly red', it's a fun and lovely language.

Closer. "Degage" is also slang for "beat it". (in good fun, of course)

133 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 4:59:24pm

Beck is not the problem...his drooling minions vote (and even consider themselves well informed, I imagine)...therein lies the lie people purchase off their TV set...Palin/Beck on 2012!

134 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:00:00pm

OK, I'm trying to start a new Facebook game. Figured I'd post it here, too.

New pointless FB game (unless someone has already done it, which they probably have): List everything in each pocket of your jacket/pants/handbag. Submit as note. Then comment, Sherlock, on what you think my list reveals about me.

Mine:

JACKET, upper left: gasoline receipt from Portland, OR, for $43.06, 01/12/2010; unused brown paper lunch bag, folded

Upper right: 11 NicoDerm patches and instruction booklet; Irish tin whistle; used ticket for ferry from Seattle to Bainbridge Island, WA, 01/21/2010, $6.90

Lower left: receipt for tin whistle, Village Music, Bainbridge Island, $14.39, 01/23/2010; new brush and comb for dog; mysterious strip of clear plastic, ca. 1x5 inches; two dollar bills; Bic cigarette lighter; Kindle book reader with 124 books and five periodicals

Lower right: Acme dogwhistle; keyring with keys to houses in Baltimore and Bainbridge Island, YMCA keycard; dog treat crumbs; receipt from Quench Drench car wash, Medford, OR, $24.95, 01/11/2010, for interior and exterior detailing; $1.77 in change; piece of dried orange peel; handwritten note with show times for Terry Gilliam's new film "Imaginarium" at Lynwood Theater, Bainbridge Island, WA; receipt from Round Table Pizza, Medford, OR, $15.69, 01/11/2010; ticket stub for "Avatar", 3D, 7:00 PM, Tinseltown movieplex, Medford, OR, 01/11/2010; iPhone with enough apps to get you out of any situation not requiring firearms

PANTS, front left: wallet with $43, 100 Israeli shekels and 10,000 Saddam-era Iraqi dinars, VISA, health and auto insurance cards, driver's license, Starbucks card, a whole bunch of loyalty cards, misc. receipts, etc. p.p.

Front right: Harley-Davidson Swiss Army knife with handmade "totem tie" (leather, silver, turquoise and graded rose quartz (?) stones) from my friend Walter

Side right: Stanley boxcutter

Rear right: snotrag

Rear left: nothing

135 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:00:31pm

re: #132 Aceofwhat?

Yeah. I improved my translation after taking a sip of Rouen wine and having a spot of roquefort.

136 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:00:32pm

re: #131 Obdicut

More idiomatically,: "Back off, red guy, it's a cool language."

disensociate...'get the fuck outa here'

137 Gus  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:00:46pm

re: #111 austin_blue

That was well said. The fact is, learning is hard. It's work. We seem to have grown a couple of short-attention-span generations (please pardon the broad brush) where the terribly unlikely is the perceived key to success.

It's not. It's nose-to-the-grindstone learning of a trade. Doesn't matter whether it is a blue collar, white collar, science, or the arts. It's plain old hard work.

It's sometimes like music practice. First you start out slowly. It may not sound correct at first but you keep repeating and adjusting until you achieve the desired results. Then there are exercises such as scales.

Technique can also apply to learning. One doesn't read through a passage and expect to soak up the material. One can read, review, recite and when you think you've got it you do it again.

If I were to pull out a broad brush I would say it requires a quiet room and not being attached to an Ipod while text messaging your friends and Tweeting while having another friend on hold on your cell phone.

Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.

138 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:00:52pm

re: #133 albusteve

Beck is not the problem...his drooling minions vote (and even consider themselves well informed, I imagine)...therein lies the lie people purchase off their TV set...Palin/Beck on 2012!

Good thing the world's ending on December 21, 2012, huh?

139 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:01:21pm

re: #130 Aceofwhat?

tsk, tsk. go to babelfish, get babel. you can't translate literally.

so now that French is spoken by about 2 to 3% of the world's population, do you think it's time we stop teaching it in public schools?

140 Gus  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:01:22pm

re: #138 Varek Raith

Good thing the world's ending on December 21, 2012, huh?

That's one way to get out of a car payment.

/

141 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:01:31pm

re: #123 Varek Raith

If only we allowed God back into the schools!11!1

And got rid of that evil, secular humanist Darwin!

142 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:01:53pm

re: #133 albusteve

Beck is not the problem...his drooling minions vote (and even consider themselves well informed, I imagine)...therein lies the lie people purchase off their TV set...Palin/Beck on 2012!

reminds me...this thread is so apropos. was driving to my folks to drop off the chilluns and radio channel surfing...paused on Beck just long enough to realize that he was in the middle of a M. Bachmann is awesome hour and folks were calling in to praise her in droves. only my beautiful kids kept me from jerking the wheel and driving off the road in search of something to crash into...

143 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:01:58pm

re: #134 Cato the Elder

Posted my answer there and will put it here too:
You visited Walter several weeks ago but your pants pocket still contains rose quartz stones from Walter - so that means - you either have not washed those pants in awhile (ew), OR you obsessively put everything back into your pants pockets that ever got there to begin with.

Jackets do not necessarily need washing as often as pants, so the collection of "stuff" in your jacket pockets, dated back to Jan 11, means you pocket these items, then promptly forget you have them. Except for the iPhone.

You carry your wallet in your front pocket which is a tad unusual, so you expect pickpockets to be everywhere.

The boxcutter is a complete mystery.

AND - I would call you genteel and gentlemanly for having a handkerchief in your pocket, except you don't call it a handkerchief -

144 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:02:32pm

re: #134 Cato the Elder

It makes you look like a very carefully-prepared AQ infiltrator. Who won the 1942 World Series?

145 solomonpanting  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:02:36pm

re: #121 austin_blue

Ah, the educational system is at fault as opposed to pop culture.

Perhaps a quality education would negate some of pop culture's more foolish notions?

146 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:03:42pm

re: #143 reine.de.tout

...are you following Cato?!?!
:D

147 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:04:03pm

re: #126 Lidane

Yah, I agree. I think the main problem is what people define as liberal or Liberal, socialism or Socialism, weather they view left wing as being a greater degree of government control and the right as being less government control.

It would seem that some are equating degree of government control to the left right political spectrum.

Over the last 50 years many of our common political terms like, left, right, socialism, communism, liberal, ect have shifted definition in popular culture in some instances and in other they haven't.

Now we have a real alphabet soup of fluid definitions in our current culture.

148 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:04:10pm

re: #134 Cato the Elder

It wouldn't be fair for me to play, I sort of personally know you. But, you forgot one thing. Rear right... the air plug to your blow up Sarah Palin doll.

149 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:04:15pm

re: #139 brookly red

so now that French is spoken by about 2 to 3% of the world's population, do you think it's time we stop teaching it in public schools?

we should teach latin. no one speaks a lick of anything they learned in high school, so we should teach a language that you don't have to speak and that can serve as a foundation for excellence in english, spanish, french, and the rest of the romantic languages.

oops, how'd i end up on this soapbox? wasn't here a minute ago...sorry about that...

150 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:04:22pm

re: #145 solomonpanting

Perhaps a quality education would negate some of pop culture's more foolish notions?

home schooling is frowned upon in many states...of course they don't call it frowning

151 fizzlogic  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:04:22pm

If you're going to read that piece you also need to read this one too. :)

152 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:04:47pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

It makes you look like a very carefully-prepared AQ infiltrator. Who won the 1942 World Series?

/Lincoln's white horse!

153 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:05:00pm

re: #133 albusteve

Beck is not the problem...his drooling minions vote (and even consider themselves well informed, I imagine)...therein lies the lie people purchase off their TV set...Palin/Beck on 2012!

No man it is going to be Bachmann/Limbaugh go Minnesota.

154 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:05:09pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

It makes you look like a very carefully-prepared AQ infiltrator. Who won the 1942 World Series?

Umm...Germany?

155 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:05:56pm

re: #137 Gus 802

Interestingly enough, the guy I met with has been working on exactly that-- the best ways to learn. He's found that procedural knowledge and conceptual knowledge feed off of one another, rather than simply one leading the other. So it's best to do a bit of something, explore the concept, do a bit of something, explore the concept-- doing just one or the other severely retards the pace of learning.

Here's a link to some of his papers if you're interested. He's a very clear writer.

[Link: www.psy.cmu.edu...]

Most interesting fun fact: We naturally think of numbers logarithmically, and we have to be taught to treat them linearly.

156 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:06:21pm

re: #154 Cato the Elder

Umm...Germany?

heh....too funny

157 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:06:57pm

re: #137 Gus 802

It's sometimes like music practice. First you start out slowly. It may not sound correct at first but you keep repeating and adjusting until you achieve the desired results. Then there are exercises such as scales.

Technique can also apply to learning. One doesn't read through a passage and expect to soak up the material. One can read, review, recite and when you think you've got it you do it again.

If I were to pull out a broad brush I would say it requires a quiet room and not being attached to an Ipod while text messaging your friends and Tweeting while having another friend on hold on your cell phone.

Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.

Again, well said. She Who Must Be Obeyed is a musician and your analogy is spot-on (Oh, she's playing with the Preservation Hall travelling band tonight).

158 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:07:08pm

re: #149 Aceofwhat?

I am so glad that I learned Latin. It helped me understand English so much better. Just taking apart another grammar like that is incredibly useful.

159 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:07:34pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

It makes you look like a very carefully-prepared AQ infiltrator. Who won the 1942 World Series?

who live in a pineapple under the sea?

160 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:08:08pm

re: #158 Obdicut

I am so glad that I learned Latin. It helped me understand English so much better. Just taking apart another grammar like that is incredibly useful.

ditto.

161 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:08:51pm

re: #131 Obdicut

More idiomatically,: "Back off, red guy, Commie it's a cool language."

162 Olderthandirt  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:09:21pm

re: #99 Cato the Elder

Man, you're speaking in code and I don't know which version you're using. Speak plain, assuming you can!

163 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:09:58pm

re: #143 reine.de.tout

Posted my answer there and will put it here too:
You visited Walter several weeks ago but your pants pocket still contains rose quartz stones from Walter - so that means - you either have not washed those pants in awhile (ew), OR you obsessively put everything back into your pants pockets that ever got there to begin with.

Jackets do not necessarily need washing as often as pants, so the collection of "stuff" in your jacket pockets, dated back to Jan 11, means you pocket these items, then promptly forget you have them. Except for the iPhone.

You carry your wallet in your front pocket which is a tad unusual, so you expect pickpockets to be everywhere.

The boxcutter is a complete mystery.

AND - I would call you genteel and gentlemanly for having a handkerchief in your pocket, except you don't call it a handkerchief -

Pretty good, Miss Marple!

And kudos for noting the front-pocket wallet - didn't expect too many people to get that. It's the pickpockets and the thing about not liking to sit down on a big lump on one side of my butt. That kind of thing can lead to scoliosis.

Only thing you really got wrong was the part about the stones. The totem tie from Walter is a little decoration on a leather cord, and it's tied to my Swiss Army knife. Of course I never go anywhere without a knife, and the tie goes with. No matter how often I change my pants.

164 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:10:16pm

re: #161 ryannon

/did that freakin frog call me a commie?

165 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:10:49pm

re: #158 Obdicut

I am so glad that I learned Latin. It helped me understand English so much better. Just taking apart another grammar like that is incredibly useful.

It sure helped me when I did ESL.

166 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:10:56pm

re: #159 brookly red

who live in a pineapple under the sea?

They probably know that one.

167 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:11:30pm

re: #134 Cato the Elder

OK, I'm trying to start a new Facebook game. Figured I'd post it here, too.

New pointless FB game (unless someone has already done it, which they probably have): List everything in each pocket of your jacket/pants/handbag. Submit as note. Then comment, Sherlock, on what you think my list reveals about me.

Mine:

JACKET, upper left: gasoline receipt from Portland, OR, for $43.06, 01/12/2010; unused brown paper lunch bag, folded

Upper right: 11 NicoDerm patches and instruction booklet; Irish tin whistle; used ticket for ferry from Seattle to Bainbridge Island, WA, 01/21/2010, $6.90

Lower left: receipt for tin whistle, Village Music, Bainbridge Island, $14.39, 01/23/2010; new brush and comb for dog; mysterious strip of clear plastic, ca. 1x5 inches; two dollar bills; Bic cigarette lighter; Kindle book reader with 124 books and five periodicals

Lower right: Acme dogwhistle; keyring with keys to houses in Baltimore and Bainbridge Island, YMCA keycard; dog treat crumbs; receipt from Quench Drench car wash, Medford, OR, $24.95, 01/11/2010, for interior and exterior detailing; $1.77 in change; piece of dried orange peel; handwritten note with show times for Terry Gilliam's new film "Imaginarium" at Lynwood Theater, Bainbridge Island, WA; receipt from Round Table Pizza, Medford, OR, $15.69, 01/11/2010; ticket stub for "Avatar", 3D, 7:00 PM, Tinseltown movieplex, Medford, OR, 01/11/2010; iPhone with enough apps to get you out of any situation not requiring firearms

PANTS, front left: wallet with $43, 100 Israeli shekels and 10,000 Saddam-era Iraqi dinars, VISA, health and auto insurance cards, driver's license, Starbucks card, a whole bunch of loyalty cards, misc. receipts, etc. p.p.

Front right: Harley-Davidson Swiss Army knife with handmade "totem tie" (leather, silver, turquoise and graded rose quartz (?) stones) from my friend Walter

Side right: Stanley boxcutter

Rear right: snotrag

Rear left: nothing

You need a purse?

168 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:11:44pm

re: #145 solomonpanting

Perhaps a quality education would negate some of pop culture's more foolish notions?

Seriously, I don't know. I think a lot of this begins at home. I'm the oldest of five, and if I didn't do the work, I got no slack from my P&M. Neither did my sibs. But then, my Da was a Marine pilot.

169 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:12:10pm

re: #167 ryannon

You need a purse?

OK.

But am I left- or right-handed?

170 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:12:37pm

re: #168 austin_blue

Seriously, I don't know. I think a lot of this begins at home. I'm the oldest of five, and if I didn't do the work, I got no slack from my P&M. Neither did my sibs. But then, my Da was a Marine pilot.

/your Da comrade?

171 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:13:38pm

re: #169 Cato the Elder

OK.

But am I left- or right-handed?

you seem able to flip a bird with either...

172 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:14:12pm

re: #170 brookly red

/your Da comrade?

Sorry, Irish family.

173 Gus  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:14:21pm

Back in a bit or a while...

174 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:14:40pm

re: #164 brookly red

/did that freakin frog call me a commie?

i called you red. what i like is that i say red and Ryannon sees commie.

//

175 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:15:02pm

re: #5 Obdicut

What does Hitler have to do with Marxism, other than he hated Marxism?

If you watched it, you would know.

176 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:15:55pm

re: #163 Cato the Elder


[snip]

Only thing you really got wrong was the part about the stones. The totem tie from Walter is a little decoration on a leather cord, and it's tied to my Swiss Army knife.

[snip]

(Shameless self-promotion)

And my hand made totem ties, made from hand cut deer skin lanyards, leather, silver, turquoise and various semi-precious stone can be had by clicking on my name and emailing me and I will send you further information.

177 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:16:04pm

re: #172 austin_blue

Sorry, Irish family.

hey my typing is the worst on the site...re: #174 Aceofwhat?

i called you red. what i like is that i say red and Ryannon sees commie.

//

they are f'n every where you know....

178 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:16:23pm

re: #70 wrenchwench

I asked you a question too. I read the posted article. I don't have a TV. Am I unqualified to address the article if I have not watched the show?

IMHO You are unqualified to address the show if you have not watched the show.

179 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:16:32pm

re: #175 Buck

If you watched it, you would know.

Well, can you enlighten us that haven't?

180 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:17:57pm

re: #177 brookly red

they are f'n every where you know...

Totally. Who do you think put the fluoride in the water//

181 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:18:17pm

re: #178 Buck

IMHO You are unqualified to address the show if you have not watched the show.

I once ate haggis. Must I eat haggis every time I want to address haggis?

182 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:18:30pm

re: #169 Cato the Elder

OK.

But am I left- or right-handed?

Like all of us, ambidextrous when you're traveling and moving about.

183 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:18:49pm

*Waves* Hi SFZ!

184 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:18:51pm

re: #178 Buck

IMHO You are unqualified to address the show if you have not watched the show.

IMHO we do not need the show in order to answer this or any other question that is not a variant of the phrase "what did _ say on the show"?

185 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:18:51pm

re: #180 Aceofwhat?

Totally. Who do you think put the fluoride in the water//

ACORN!

186 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:19:07pm

re: #181 Decatur Deb

I once ate haggis. Must I eat haggis every time I want to address haggis?

No. But can you give me haggis's address?

187 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:19:17pm

re: #182 ryannon

Like all of us, ambidextrous when you're traveling and moving about.

I'd give my left arm to be ambidextrous!

188 blueraven  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:19:23pm

My step father watches Fox all the time. He believes every word Beck spews. He then rants to my mom, who cant sleep and has terrible nightmares. She is literally sick over this kind of fear mongering. They are old and vulnerable and Beck exploits that. I really, really freakin hate this asshole.

189 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:19:37pm

re: #181 Decatur Deb

I once ate haggis. Must I eat haggis every time I want to address haggis?

and you would want to do either because?

190 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:19:40pm

re: #180 Aceofwhat?

Totally. Who do you think put the fluoride in the water//

Purity of Essence...

191 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:20:00pm

re: #185 brookly red

ACORN!

As head of A.C.O.R.N. I, Ernst Stavro Blofeld, deny this slanderous charge.

192 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:20:10pm

re: #186 Cato the Elder

Haggis is a harsh mistress.

193 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:20:11pm

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

I'd give my left arm to be ambidextrous!

I'd give my frontal lobes to have a photographic memory!

194 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:20:27pm

re: #21 HillJack

So I was just wondering. Did anyone watch the show or are you just regurgitating what you heard others say about it?

Good point. I saw the show, and I liked it.

I also don't like the Right = Hitler. I also think that Hitler had more in common with Stalin than people give credit.

I also think think that Che on a shirt is a kin to Osama on a shirt. I also think that Mao was the biggest murderer in the 20th century.

All of that was in the show.

195 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:20:28pm

re: #174 Aceofwhat?

i called you red. what i like is that i say red and Ryannon sees commie.

//

C'mon. Everyone knows that 'rouge' = commie in French!

196 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:20:37pm

re: #186 Cato the Elder

No. But can you give me haggis's address?

easy. go past the duodenum, and make a left at the pancreas. if you hit the femoral, you've gone too far.

(i have got to stop answering his questions)

197 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:20:49pm

re: #192 Decatur Deb

Haggis is a harsh mistress.

I thought that was the Moon.

198 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:21:02pm

re: #179 Varek Raith

It's an old idea that's been a round a while and brought back into favor by Jonah Goldberg. The idea is that since Nazis were the National Socialist party then they can't be a right wing phenomenon. Many conservatives have adopted this idea and no longer have a basic understanding of the left/right political concept.

199 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:21:08pm

re: #189 brookly red

and you would want to do either because?

Drunken dare.

200 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:21:39pm

re: #195 ryannon

C'mon. Everyone knows that 'rouge' = commie in French!

and French = commie in English...

201 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:21:46pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

It's an old idea that's been a round a while and brought back into favor by Jonah Goldberg. The idea is that since Nazis were the National Socialist party then they can't be a right wing phenomenon. Many conservatives have adopted this idea and no longer have a basic understanding of the left/right political concept.

Thanks, KT! That's what I figured.

202 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:22:00pm

re: #182 ryannon

Like all of us, ambidextrous when you're traveling and moving about.

Keys are in right front jacket pocket.
Right handed.

203 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:22:01pm

re: #188 blueraven

My step father watches Fox all the time. He believes every word Beck spews. He then rants to my mom, who cant sleep and has terrible nightmares. She is literally sick over this kind of fear mongering. They are old and vulnerable and Beck exploits that. I really, really freakin hate this asshole.

Oh geeze. I'm visiting my Fox watching parents in a few weeks. It will take every bone of love in my body to not go off while I'm there. I will be checking in for sanity I'm sure.

204 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:22:06pm

re: #178 Buck

re: #70 wrenchwench

I asked you a question too. I read the posted article. I don't have a TV. Am I unqualified to address the article if I have not watched the show?

IMHO You are unqualified to address the show if you have not watched the show.

OK. I didn't address the show. I addressed the article.

205 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:22:09pm

re: #190 austin_blue

Purity of Essence...

i like hanging out in places where oblique references to that movie are picked up in a matter of seconds.

206 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:22:21pm

re: #188 blueraven

My step father watches Fox all the time. He believes every word Beck spews. He then rants to my mom, who cant sleep and has terrible nightmares. She is literally sick over this kind of fear mongering. They are old and vulnerable and Beck exploits that. I really, really freakin hate this asshole.

That's pretty sad, sorry to hear that. At least Beck isn't asking people to send him their money (yet).

207 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:22:42pm

re: #197 Cato the Elder

I thought that was the Moon.

Gravity, according to The Tick.

208 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:23:12pm

re: #184 Aceofwhat?

IMHO we do not need the show in order to answer this or any other question that is not a variant of the phrase "what did _ say on the show"?

I don't understand what you mean. If you didn't watch it, you can't honestly criticize the content.
However if you want to judge a book by its cover... go ahead.

209 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:23:38pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

As head of A.C.O.R.N. I, Ernst Stavro Blofeld, deny this slanderous charge.

yah it was not ACORN it was the Aluminum Industry.

210 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:24:02pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

That's pretty sad, sorry to hear that. At least Beck isn't asking people to send him their money (yet).

/I can't wait to make a donation in your name...

211 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:24:16pm

re: #181 Decatur Deb

I once ate haggis. Must I eat haggis every time I want to address haggis?

Monday is Robert Burns Night.

Here are two personally written haiku:

"Here's to Bobby Burns!
Behold! The rest of the sheep,
Makes its appearance."

and

God...Haggis again..
Gah!!..I hope that's just gristle!
Thank God there's whiskey."

212 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:24:16pm

re: #208 Buck

I don't understand what you mean. If you didn't watch it, you can't honestly criticize the content.
However if you want to judge a book by its cover... go ahead.

oh fuck it...what more can be said about Beck?...he's a certifies lunatic

213 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:24:18pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

It's an old idea that's been a round a while and brought back into favor by Jonah Goldberg. The idea is that since Nazis were the National Socialist party then they can't be a right wing phenomenon. Many conservatives have adopted this idea and no longer have a basic understanding of the left/right political concept.

yep. each side of the spectrum has its own, dark extreme. denying it only robs us of the urgent necessity of remaining balanced...

214 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:24:27pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

It's an old idea that's been a round a while and brought back into favor by Jonah Goldberg. The idea is that since Nazis were the National Socialist party then they can't be a right wing phenomenon. Many conservatives have adopted this idea and no longer have a basic understanding of the left/right political concept.

Anybody who placed Nazism on the right had no understanding of the left/right political concept also.

215 Bear  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:25:04pm

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

Being ambidextrous is not all to the good. I have to think every time I am told to go to the right or left just which way to turn. Straw foot - hay foot might help but would get too many laughs.

216 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:25:13pm

re: #210 brookly red

/I can't wait to make a donation in your name...

YOWCH!...good idea...April Fool KT!

217 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:25:39pm

re: #192 Decatur Deb

Haggis is a harsh mistress.

Haggis sounds a little bit like cajun boudin sausage.
Unappealing ingredients, but should taste OK.
I've never had haggis.

218 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:26:38pm

re: #208 Buck

I don't understand what you mean. If you didn't watch it, you can't honestly criticize the content.
However if you want to judge a book by its cover... go ahead.

If i have a transcript, i can honestly criticize the content. that's what i meant. it also means that i don't need Glen Beck to tell me anything about Hitler or Marxism...which leads back to what i said above. he clearly misunderstands the relationship, so why would we refer back to his show for a more meaningful discussion of the relationship (or lack thereof)?

219 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:26:51pm

re: #200 brookly red

and French = commie in English...

Not even warm, comrade.

220 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:27:17pm

re: #217 reine.de.tout

Haggis sounds a little bit like cajun boudin sausage.
Unappealing ingredients, but should taste OK.
I've never had haggis.

I won't eat sheep guts...I'm uncool like that, no lungs or eyeballs for me

221 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:27:18pm

lrsshadow, are you a fan of Beck?

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:27:24pm

re: #86 solomonpanting

Surely you're not saying your ambivalence towards Beck, or anyone, for that matter, is based upon not seeing them on TV?

I just can't watch Beck for very long. The pauses and the emoting makes me itchy.

223 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:27:27pm

re: #205 Aceofwhat?

i like hanging out in places where oblique references to that movie are picked up in a matter of seconds.


Hey, it's a smart bunch of reptiles here..

224 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:27:35pm
225 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:27:44pm

re: #202 reine.de.tout

Keys are in right front jacket pocket.
Right handed.

Not necessarily. But I can see how you got there.

226 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:27:58pm

re: #217 reine.de.tout

Haggis sounds a little bit like cajun boudin sausage.
Unappealing ingredients, but should taste OK.
I've never had haggis.

Tastes very much like a grilled sparrow I ate (entire) in Italy. Liver is the overriding tase.

227 Lidane  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:27:59pm

re: #207 Decatur Deb

Gravity, according to The Tick.

Best. Villain. Ever.

Youtube Video
228 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:28:23pm

re: #207 Decatur Deb

Gravity, according to The Tick.

SPOOOOON!!!

229 brookly red  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:28:29pm

re: #217 reine.de.tout

Haggis sounds a little bit like cajun boudin sausage.
Unappealing ingredients, but should taste OK.
I've never had haggis.

even before I gave up meat I made it a rule never to eat anything with tire marks on it...

230 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:28:48pm

Watching Troy with Brad Pitt...Who is the actress playing Helen? She has to be smoking hot the launch a 1000 ships...
History is crazy....One of the most classic wars fought over a Victoria Secrets model.. You can't make this shit up...

231 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:28:59pm

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

If i have a transcript, i can honestly criticize the content. that's what i meant. it also means that i don't need Glen Beck to tell me anything about Hitler or Marxism...which leads back to what i said above. he clearly misunderstands the relationship, so why would we refer back to his show for a more meaningful discussion of the relationship (or lack thereof)?

Do you have the transcript? (although some would argue that transcript of a tv might be missing something).

YOUR OPINION is that he misunderstands the relationship. He presents his opinion and backs it up.

232 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:29:31pm

re: #214 lrsshadow

You can persist in that delusion all you want but the reality goes on without you.

233 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:29:50pm
234 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:30:08pm

re: #224 Cato the Elder

Nice. Anyone else would be deleted for a comment like that.

235 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:30:31pm

re: #230 HoosierHoops

Watching Troy with Brad Pitt...Who is the actress playing Helen? She has to be smoking hot the launch a 1000 ships...
History is crazy...One of the most classic wars fought over a Victoria Secrets model.. You can't make this shit up...

Speaking about movies ,,, watching Gran Torino

Speaking about Brad Pitt
Golden couple Brad Pitt & Angelina Jolie sign contract to split £205m fortune
[Link: www.newsoftheworld.co.uk...]

236 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:31:06pm

On Becks' show: Pointing out the ignorance of people who wear Che t-shirts is not exactly cutting edge political commentary. If people on the right are just discovering this blindness about the real nature of Guevara because of Beck, then they should be ashamed as much as those on the left he tut-tuts over.

237 hilljack  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:31:11pm

re: #188 blueraven
Yeah, I sure am glad that the Dems don't use scare tactics. Other wise old people might think that Republican legislation will have them eating cat food and the only health care for them is to just die.

239 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:31:27pm

re: #221 Varek Raith

lrsshadow, are you a fan of Beck?

no like I have said in earlier posts I haven't had tv for over 7 years and I have watched about an hour of beck. In the last year I have only watch about 10 hours of TV and that was when I was traveling out of state.

Are you a fan of Beck?

240 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:31:32pm
241 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:32:05pm

re: #239 lrsshadow

no like I have said in earlier posts I haven't had tv for over 7 years and I have watched about an hour of beck. In the last year I have only watch about 10 hours of TV and that was when I was traveling out of state.

Are you a fan of Beck?

Nope, do you think he's bonkers? I sure as hell do.

242 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:32:38pm

re: #238 Ojoe

The San Gabriel Mountains, covered in snow, go slightly rose colored with the sunset. Towercam, Pacific time zone.

Hilltops powdered with snow since the last time I saw them. But have been the rains....

243 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:33:04pm
244 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:33:09pm

Reactionaries are of the far right, and Nazism was/is definitely a reactionary movement.

245 Ojoe  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:33:15pm

re: #242 ryannon

Later, mudslides.

BBL

246 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:33:23pm

re: #231 Buck

Do you have the transcript? (although some would argue that transcript of a tv might be missing something).
the transcript of seinfeld is missing something. preeeetty sure the transcript of the GB show is gonna cover most of the bases.

YOUR OPINION is that he misunderstands the relationship. He presents his opinion and backs it up.

yep. it's just my opinion. it's also my opinion that Michelle Bachmann is as close to intellectually unfit for office as possible without being legally unfit for office. GB and i differ there, too. i'm going to go ahead and stick with my opinion over his...

247 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:33:27pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

It's an old idea that's been a round a while and brought back into favor by Jonah Goldberg. The idea is that since Nazis were the National Socialist party then they can't be a right wing phenomenon. Many conservatives have adopted this idea and no longer have a basic understanding of the left/right political concept.

What are some pre-Goldberg efforts to legitimize this in anything close to an academic manner? I have no doubt that other people have said "They had 'socialist in their name, they were a bunch of commies,'" but I've never encountered anyone else who tried to make a series argument out of it. Granted, calling LF serious is still a bit of a stretch.

248 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:34:02pm

re: #236 jaunte

On Becks' show: Pointing out the ignorance of people who wear Che t-shirts is not exactly cutting edge political commentary. If people on the right are just discovering this blindness about the real nature of Guevara because of Beck, then they should be ashamed as much as those on the left he tut-tuts over.

the whole thing is a lost cause...the fact that beck even gets a thread here shows how far the we have fallen...I just laugh at all of it...some good point get made here but all for nothing...politics in America is a mess, it's not even politics, it's idol worship...sickening

249 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:34:27pm

re: #240 sattv4u2

Another francophone upding.

250 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:34:29pm

Tu Quoque... It's what's for dinner.

251 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:34:46pm

re: #235 sattv4u2

Speaking about movies ,,, watching Gran Torino

Speaking about Brad Pitt
Golden couple Brad Pitt & Angelina Jolie sign contract to split £205m fortune
[Link: www.newsoftheworld.co.uk...]

I really trashed Grand Torino here last year....I thought the movie really sucked

252 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:35:20pm

re: #243 utebell

Sigh, sure are coming out for this one, huh?

253 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:35:45pm

re: #208 Buck

I don't understand what you mean. If you didn't watch it, you can't honestly criticize the content.
However if you want to judge a book by its cover... go ahead.

I haven't read most of Das Kapital or any of Mein Kampf. I've written plenty about both based on what I've picked up from third party sources, however.

254 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:35:54pm

re: #243 utebell

And your origianl LGF name was !?!?!?!?!?!

255 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:36:01pm

re: #251 HoosierHoops

I really trashed Grand Torino here last year...I thought the movie really sucked

it did...awful movie...Harry is washed up, done

256 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:36:06pm

Another German whose "always" doesn't go back very far.

257 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:36:21pm

re: #243 utebell

Feinste Kacke, Made in Germany.

258 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:36:29pm

re: #243 utebell

Sayonara, amigo!

259 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:36:37pm

re: #251 HoosierHoops

re: #255 albusteve

Well ,,, guess I won;t waste my time watching the rest

260 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:36:39pm

re: #252 Varek Raith

Sigh, sure are coming out for this one, huh?

Just what i was thinking. I love how some peoples' posts unwittingly prove our points. I'd say more but the guy (or gal) said enough about himself without my help. Cripes.

261 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:37:01pm

re: #246 Aceofwhat?

yep. it's just my opinion. it's also my opinion that Michelle Bachmann is as close to intellectually unfit for office as possible without being legally unfit for office. GB and i differ there, too. i'm going to go ahead and stick with my opinion over his...

But you don't REALLY know his opinion on THIS subject. So you are just going to dismiss it out of hand.

262 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:37:20pm

re: #252 Varek Raith

Sigh, sure are coming out for this one, huh?

it happens...no big deal anymore

263 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:38:05pm

re: #259 sattv4u2

re: #255 albusteve

Well ,,, guess I won;t waste my time watching the rest

go ahead...see what we mean

264 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:38:07pm

re: #262 albusteve

it happens...no big deal anymore

Are you for realz?! Get to the shelters!11!!
/:)

265 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:38:08pm

re: #163 Cato the Elder

So, what is the unused brown lunch bag for?

266 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:38:28pm

re: #253 Conservative Moonbat

I haven't read most of Das Kapital or any of Mein Kampf. I've written plenty about both based on what I've picked up from third party sources, however.

Sure, but they have been dissected by thousands of people. This show (which aired on Friday), not so much.

267 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:39:51pm

re: #265 prairiefire

So, what is the unused brown lunch bag for?

Booze or carsickness or anxiety attacks or...

268 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:39:56pm

re: #251 HoosierHoops

It was a very predictable plot and overly sentimental. He did remind me of my tough Scottish grandpa.

269 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:40:27pm

re: #208 Buck

However if you want to judge a book by its cover... go ahead.

If the cover of a book shows a mouth-breathing, idiot author whose previous works have made me hurl chunks, then I feel free to judge the book by it.

270 utebell  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:40:38pm

any body who claims to have read "mein Kampf" and said they habe written any kind of dissertation on it or gotten the gist of it is an idiot because any one who understands german knows that that book is a unreadable piece.

271 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:41:18pm

re: #270 utebell

Your thoughts on this...post, Cato?

272 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:41:37pm

re: #270 utebell

is a unreadable piece

273 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:41:45pm

re: #261 Buck

But you don't REALLY know his opinion on THIS subject. So you are just going to dismiss it out of hand.



BECK: Today, this idea may seem controversial. But as the Nazis were rising to power, it wasn’t controversial. It was common knowledge. November 28, 1925, a tiny article printed in the “New York Times” describing the early internal struggle for the identity of the Nazis. A riot broke out after a Nazi speaker claimed that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler. And the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight.

gasp...lookie who has the transcript after all...so were you intimating that i'm a liar or were you saying it outright?

274 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:42:34pm

re: #273 Aceofwhat?

Buck's deflector shields are at maximum, Captain!

275 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:42:38pm

re: #270 utebell

any body who claims to have read "mein Kampf" and said they habe written any kind of dissertation on it or gotten the gist of it is an idiot because any one who understands german knows that that book is a unreadable piece.

Bockscheiße. It's at least as readable as Fichte, or your English, for that matter.

276 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:42:49pm

re: #270 utebell

Swingandamiss


Thats strike two Bob. Perhaps the hitter should keep the bat on his shoulder for the next pitch!

277 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:42:53pm

re: #266 Buck

Sure, but they have been dissected by thousands of people. This show (which aired on Friday), not so much.

empty carcasses are quickly dissected. take it from a Biology major. this wasn't hard work, Buck.

278 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:43:02pm

re: #270 utebell

any body who claims to have read "mein Kampf" and said they habe written any kind of dissertation on it or gotten the gist of it is an idiot because any one who understands german knows that that book is a unreadable piece.

I read Archie and get confused sometimes

279 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:43:13pm

re: #269 Cato the Elder

If the cover of a book shows a mouth-breathing, idiot author whose previous works have made me hurl chunks, then I feel free to judge the book by it.

well no one is going to accuse you of having an open mind on this subject. Clearly you are emotionally close to this.

280 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:43:19pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout

You can persist in that delusion all you want but the reality goes on without you.

How can you infer that Nazism is a right wing political movement? What do you consider left and right wing? How do you make the connection?

Nazism is national socialism, but names can be deceiving.

Communism and Nazism have common control of business. Yes there are differences between the two, but non the less the government is in firm control of any and all business activities it wishes. Both communism and Nazism determined life choices for people in regards to living accommodations, health care, and careers if they choose to.

Now Nazism was set against communism, but like I have posted before I do not consider opposition to be automatic indicator or opposing political spectrum.

Hitler also place the corner stone of Nazism to be government control of reproduction within the state. That along with other security concerns is why the early Nazi party focused on recruiting doctors and a general takeover of health care.

It was a mistake to place Nazism on the right and I think it is a mistake by those now who would place it on the left.

281 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:43:53pm

re: #274 Varek Raith

Buck's deflector shields are at maximum, Captain!

they'd better be...i'm about to stick my phaser where the sun rarely dares to venture...

282 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:44:00pm

re: #259 sattv4u2

re: #255 albusteve

Well ,,, guess I won;t waste my time watching the rest

I thought the depth of Clint was in a Million dollar Baby.. I really liked his depth of character...Pure Genius really....If he thinks he can go all shallow Archie Bunker on us he is sadly mistaken..Piss poor movie that relies on racist jokes to buoy the script in cheap laughs...Clint..That was was worst frigging movie..Period.

283 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:44:27pm

re: #277 Aceofwhat?

empty carcasses are quickly dissected. take it from a Biology major. this wasn't hard work, Buck.

how do you know it was an empty carcass? You didn't see it, and nothing has been written (by anyone who did see it) that says it was.

284 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:44:37pm

Beck:
"We've always been told that genocidal dictators of the world, "oh they're just manifestations of the hateful right," but the left wing icons like Che, and Mao, and Stalin "need to be understood in context."
(dramatic pause...) Tonight... we set the record straight.
Does anyone really buy this chrome-plated horseshit strawman?
We've always been told that? By whom?

285 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:44:37pm

re: #279 Buck

well no one is going to accuse you of having an open mind on this subject. Clearly you are emotionally close to this.

Whats that word I'm looking for ???

ummm,, pro,,sumfin

ject


tion!! !?!?

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:44:38pm

re: #175 Buck

If you watched it, you would know.

Forgive me, but Glenn Beck, based on what I have seen of his work, is the last person I would go to for education about history. Or anything.

287 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:44:44pm

re: #279 Buck

well no one is going to accuse you of having an open mind on this subject. Clearly you are emotionally close to this.

I'm physically close to reaching through the screen and ripping you a new one, Buck.

288 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:45:08pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

Well I think of him like a Howard Stearn mixed with Rush Limbaugh and put him on par with the two. Just another shock jock with a Rush Limbaugh flavoring on a TV show. It gets ratings, but not from me.

289 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:45:20pm

re: #276 sattv4u2

Swingandamiss

Thats strike two Bob. Perhaps the hitter should keep the bat on his shoulder for the next pitch!

Or perhaps we should keep the sauce close for the next bbq...

290 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:45:27pm

re: #279 Buck

well no one is going to accuse you of having an open mind on this subject. Clearly you are emotionally close to this.

Pot, meet kettle.

291 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:46:33pm

re: #283 Buck

how do you know it was an empty carcass? You didn't see it, and nothing has been written (by anyone who did see it) that says it was.

did you not read the bit i pasted from the transcript? that wasn't proof that i have the transcript? or were there too many words?

292 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:46:49pm

re: #284 jaunte

We've always been told that? By whom?

Obama, of course. He's been telling us that for at least 95 years.
/

293 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:46:50pm

re: #282 HoosierHoops

I thought the depth of Clint was in a Million dollar Baby.. I really liked his depth of character...Pure Genius really...If he thinks he can go all shallow Archie Bunker on us he is sadly mistaken..Piss poor movie that relies on racist jokes to buoy the script in cheap laughs...Clint..That was was worst frigging movie..Period.

he's tanking fast...but that's natural...his body of work is the stuff of legend, but this movie is just awful...it's painful to listen to him deliver his line, and like you say, they are shallow and really go nowhere...he needs to give up acting

294 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:46:55pm

re: #273 Aceofwhat?


BECK: Today, this idea may seem controversial. But as the Nazis were rising to power, it wasn’t controversial. It was common knowledge. November 28, 1925, a tiny article printed in the “New York Times” describing the early internal struggle for the identity of the Nazis. A riot broke out after a Nazi speaker claimed that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler. And the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight.

gasp...lookie who has the transcript after all...so were you intimating that i'm a liar or were you saying it outright?

I asked you if had a transcript. I didn't intimate to call you a liar. I now ask if you read it?

295 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:48:38pm

re: #294 Buck

I asked you if had a transcript. I didn't intimate to call you a liar. I now ask if you read it?

Wrong use of "intimate". Redundant question mark.

Buck the Boy Genius, champion of internet debate, scores another devastating hit.

296 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:48:52pm

re: #287 Cato the Elder

I'm physically close to reaching through the screen and ripping you a new one, Buck.

I should feel physically threatened?

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:49:02pm

re: #194 Buck

the Right = Hitler. I also think that Hitler had more in common with Stalin than people give credit.

"In common" meaning what? Not Good? Murderer? That's not really enough to dismantle decades of work in the political science field and categorize them both as "people Glenn Beck rightly believes to be evil".

298 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:49:04pm

re: #294 Buck

I asked you if had a transcript. I didn't intimate to call you a liar. I now ask if you read it?

You're going to wear out that shovel by digging so hard and fast, ya know!

299 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:49:21pm

re: #296 Buck

I should feel physically threatened?

Sure. I have that power.

300 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:49:21pm

re: #279 Buck

well no one is going to accuse you of having an open mind on this subject. Clearly you are emotionally close to this.

Open mind? Oh, dear. Beck is an opportunist of the nth degree.

Here:

Youtube Video

Clown.

301 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:49:41pm

re: #294 Buck

I asked you if had a transcript. I didn't intimate to call you a liar. I now ask if you read it?

you keep saying that i haven't seen it. how is that different than reading it?

of course i read it. who the hell goes to the trouble of finding a transcript and doesn't read it?

so i will restate for you. it's an empty carcass.

302 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:49:45pm

re: #294 Buck

I asked you if had a transcript. I didn't intimate to call you a liar. I now ask if you read it?

nobody gives a shit about transcrips...nobody is gonna budge on Beck, he's a fool and his supporters are droolers...there is no more to it

303 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:49:54pm

re: #296 Buck

I should feel physically threatened?

No,,, but are you mentally challenged!?!

304 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:49:58pm

re: #280 lrsshadow

Pretty much every 10th grade student can understand the left-right political concept. I have little doubt that your ignorance is intentional so I really don't have any interest in debating it with you.

305 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:50:57pm

re: #298 sattv4u2

You're going to wear out that shovel by digging so hard and fast, ya know!

*Hands Buck the keys to this baby*

306 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:51:16pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Pretty much every 10th grade student can understand the left-right political concept. I have little doubt that your ignorance is intentional so I really don't have any interest in debating it with you.

Don't do that, Kilgore. Don't throw an insult and then say "we're done talking"

307 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:51:30pm

re: #300 austin_blue

Open mind? Oh, dear. Beck is an opportunist of the nth degree.

Here:


[Video]

Clown.

irrelevant to the subject of the show.

308 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:52:29pm

re: #307 Buck

irrelevant to the subject of the show.

the transcript is relevant to the show. and it's gloriously inane. (careful with that word. it looks like a different word but it's not)

309 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:52:35pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Like I said in #244...

Reactionaries are of the far right, and Nazism was/is definitely a reactionary movement.

310 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:53:12pm

re: #293 albusteve

he's tanking fast...but that's natural...his body of work is the stuff of legend, but this movie is just awful...it's painful to listen to him deliver his line, and like you say, they are shallow and really go nowhere...he needs to give up acting

I agree Steve..He should just direct...He is a frigging Genius director...
He can't act any more except for the bitter old racist guy..That's all he has got..Period...Somebody call his agent

311 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:53:28pm

re: #304 Killgore Trout

Pretty much every 10th grade student can understand the left-right political concept. I have little doubt that your ignorance is intentional so I really don't have any interest in debating it with you.

Ah so you think the placement of Nazism on the right wing of the political spectrum was completely appropriate and justified because the Nazi party declared communism as its enemy and Nazism had strong national identity so therefore it is a right wing political party?

312 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:53:31pm

re: #307 Buck

irrelevant to the subject of the show.

Ya think? I don't. Goes to the meat of the media personality that Beck has become. He's a clown.

313 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:53:48pm

re: #308 Aceofwhat?

the transcript is relevant to the show. and it's gloriously inane. (careful with that word. it looks like a different word but it's not)

OK, like what SPECIFICALLY in the show was, in your opinion, inane?

314 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:54:11pm

re: #306 sattv4u2

Don't do that, Kilgore. Don't throw an insult and then say "we're done talking"

You're right.

When talking to the Bucks of this world, throw an insult and then wait to laugh yourself hernial at the brilliant comeback.

315 Kewalo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:54:18pm

Meet the man who changed Glenn Beck's life
[Link: www.salon.com...]

316 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:54:42pm

*Gets popcorn*

317 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:54:45pm

re: #305 Varek Raith

See, that's how you know a true friend. When you've dug yourself into a hole and think you've hit rock bottom, your buddy tosses you a shovel.

318 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:55:21pm

re: #311 lrsshadow

Ah so you think the placement of Nazism on the right wing of the political spectrum was completely appropriate and justified because the Nazi party declared communism as its enemy and Nazism had strong national identity so therefore it is a right wing political party?

Pretty much sums it up, actually.

319 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:55:25pm

re: #305 Varek Raith

*Hands Buck the keys to this baby*

whoa!...wth is that thing?

320 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:55:43pm

re: #317 Slumbering Behemoth

See, that's how you know a true friend. When you've dug yourself into a hole and think you've hit rock bottom, your buddy tosses you a shovel.

*Varek's actions have shifted his alignment 10 points towards evil*

321 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:55:52pm

re: #314 Cato the Elder

You're right.

When talking to the Bucks of this world, throw an insult and then wait to laugh yourself hernial at the brilliant comeback.

Cato I have to call you out, do you want to debate? I don't think you would win

322 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:56:41pm

Yeesh.

323 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:57:04pm

re: #311 lrsshadow

Nazism/Fascism is reactionary. That places them on the far right as far as political ideologies are concerned.

324 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:57:24pm

re: #318 Cato the Elder

Pretty much sums it up, actually.

Yah and I have always looked toward the practice and frame work of a government political party and lately I have started to think that may be the left and right actually connect into despotism and totalitarianism.

325 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:57:26pm

Robert Paxton's definition of fascism:

A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elite's, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.
326 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:58:25pm

re: #306 sattv4u2

Don't do that, Kilgore. Don't throw an insult and then say "we're done talking"

C'mon, it's gibberish. It's completely stupid historical revisionism. Let's suppose I wanted to rename colors and wanted to debate art with you. eg "Picasso's green period was reaction to Monet's use of banana juice and and van Gogh's fear of mixing toes with telephones".
What's the point of having the debate. It's nonsense and should be ignored. The only reason people insist on doing it is because some people tolerate the nonsense.

327 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:58:34pm

re: #321 lrsshadow

Cato I have to call you out, do you want to debate? I don't think you would win

You want to debate Nazism with one of the guys who translated this?

Think twice.

328 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:58:44pm

re: #325 jaunte

RINO!

329 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:58:45pm

re: #325 jaunte

Robert Paxton's definition of fascism:

Actually, that reminds me of someone beside the Sovs.

Who does it remind me of?

/Smacks self, before anyone else can do so. OK, I'll be good now.

330 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:58:59pm

re: #311 lrsshadow

Ah so you think the placement of Nazism on the right wing of the political spectrum was completely appropriate and justified because the Nazi party declared communism as its enemy and Nazism had strong national identity so therefore it is a right wing political party?

Well, that and the fact that Fascism, as practiced in Italy, Germany, and Spain were fundamentally right wing dictatorships.

Hard to argue with that.

331 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:59:14pm

re: #313 Buck

OK, like what SPECIFICALLY in the show was, in your opinion, inane?

BECK:It wasn’t just some nobody in the Nazi party who believed this. It was this man: Hitler’s closest ally to the very end and his hand-pick successor as chancellor, Joseph Goebbels.

Because it was so controversial, Goebbels, a master of propaganda, stopped talking about it in public. But his private writings revealed his change in approach wasn’t a change of heart.

Goebbels realizes what is obvious: totalitarian regimes, by their nature, are going to share similarities on either end of the political spectrum. But of course, Beck doesn't bother with silly things like the class struggle inherent in communism as opposed to the elitist, nationalist, anti-socialist tang of a true fascist.

inane. i stand by it. that just took me three minutes.

332 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:59:16pm

re: #309 Slumbering Behemoth

....and nationalist and conservative (to return Germany to its previous glory).

333 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:59:22pm

re: #327 Cato the Elder

OH it could be any topic you want?

334 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 5:59:23pm

re: #319 albusteve

whoa!...wth is that thing?

A giant, earth eating monster. Ain't she a beaut?

335 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:00:19pm

re: #321 lrsshadow

Cato I have to call you out, do you want to debate? I don't think you would win

what's to debate?...quick summary?

336 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:00:24pm

re: #322 Charles

Yeesh.

Getting a little goofy in here, isn't it?

337 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:00:37pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

C'mon, it's gibberish. It's completely stupid historical revisionism. Let's suppose I wanted to rename colors and wanted to debate art with you. eg "Picasso's green period was reaction to Monet's use of banana juice and and van Gogh's fear of mixing toes with telephones".
What's the point of having the debate. It's nonsense and should be ignored. The only reason people insist on doing it is because some people tolerate the nonsense.

Not what I mean and you know it. Debate or ignore, but don't throw an insult then say in the next sentence 'we're done talking"

338 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:00:57pm

re: #333 lrsshadow

OH it could be any topic you want?

LOL.

A duel where I get to pick the ground.

How about punctuation?

339 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:01:05pm

beck, i'm enjoying flexing my large cranial structures in front of the crowd here, but i gotta run. take my last post as all the proof you need.

bbl everyone else

340 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:01:12pm

I am out. I made my point. Being called names, and having pornographic insults hurled at me is not the way I will spend my evening.

341 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:01:29pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

...and nationalist and conservative (to return Germany to its previous glory).

Yah that is true I forgot about the conservative argument also. Nazism had a conservative national agenda and that was another contributing factor to some placing it on the right side of the political spectrum.

342 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:01:43pm

re: #334 Varek Raith

A giant, earth eating monster. Ain't she a beaut?

I love that kind of stuff...have to see it in action, wow!

343 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:01:49pm

re: #340 Buck

Your point...? All you did was deflect.

344 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:02:21pm

re: #338 Cato the Elder

lol that will make for a slow debate to go; through punctuational, proper use of grammer. and pspelling

345 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:02:24pm

re: #340 Buck

I am out. I made my point. Being called names, and having pornographic insults hurled at me is not the way I will spend my evening.

Seriously? Some people would pay good money for that.

346 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:02:31pm

re: #331 Aceofwhat?

I love Beck's use of "controversial". It seems to mean: "Universally discredited, but in some village I could find a 3yr old to nod his head".

347 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:02:35pm

re: #336 austin_blue

Getting a little goofy in here, isn't it?

but it's spreadable...you don't have to slice it

348 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:02:45pm

re: #341 lrsshadow

Yah that is true I forgot about the conservative argument also. Nazism had a conservative national agenda and that was another contributing factor to some placing it on the right side of the political spectrum.

You say 'some'. Who is a reputable scholar who does not, whom I could turn to for a more detailed analysis?

349 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:02:47pm

re: #338 Cato the Elder

LOL.

A duel where I get to pick the ground.

How about punctuation?

!, :, ; , ?,

your turn !

350 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:03:07pm

re: #340 Buck

I am out. I made my point. Being called names, and having pornographic insults hurled at me is not the way I will spend my evening.

oh come on now, they aren't that bad, and they are all well intentioned...I think watch out though because lizards can bite

351 Bagua  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:03:14pm

re: #280 lrsshadow

How can you infer that Nazism is a right wing political movement? What do you consider left and right wing? How do you make the connection?
[yada, yada, yada]

With enough weasel-words anything can be argued; up is down, wet is dry, and blue is really a flavour, not a colour at all (who knew)

The Nazi's co-opted ideas from both left and right wing, but are widely acknowledged as an extreme form of right wing fascism. What is the point of arguing otherwise?

352 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:03:23pm

re: #343 Varek Raith

Your point...? All you did was deflect.

That I liked the show, and think that a person needs to have watched it in order to properly criticize it.

353 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:03:46pm

re: #352 Buck

I watched it, and it's silly.

354 Bagua  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:03:54pm

re: #348 SanFranciscoZionist

You say 'some'. Who is a reputable scholar who does not, whom I could turn to for a more detailed analysis?

Apparently the answer is Glenn Beck. *split*

355 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:04:29pm

re: #354 Bagua

Apparently the answer is Glenn Beck. *split*

Or Jonah Goldberg. (Spelling?)

356 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:04:58pm

re: #351 Bagua

With enough weasel-words anything can be argued; up is down, wet is dry, and blue is really a flavour, not a colour at all (who knew)

The Nazi's co-opted ideas from both left and right wing, but are widely acknowledged as an extreme form of right wing fascism. What is the point of arguing otherwise?

show off alot of intellectualism...I'm disimpressed

357 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:05:17pm

re: #311 lrsshadow

Ah so you think the placement of Nazism on the right wing of the political spectrum was completely appropriate and justified because the Nazi party declared communism as its enemy and Nazism had strong national identity so therefore it is a right wing political party?

Just follow the Yellow Brick Road of history and remember that organizations like the "German Worker's Party" (DAP) don't necessarily signify what you might think:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

358 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:05:25pm

re: #321 lrsshadow

Cato I have to call you out, do you want to debate? I don't think you would win

Thousands of years ago somebody said..
You must be either dumb or stupid to fight me Hector..
And we all know how the Trojan horse thing worked out

359 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:06:06pm

re: #352 Buck

That I liked the show, and think that a person needs to have watched it in order to properly criticize it.

I'll settle for improper criticism then...Beck Ola!

360 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:06:29pm

Quick, without cheating, who wrote the following:

A party governing a nation “totalitarianly" is a new departure in history. There are no points of reference nor of comparison. From beneath the ruins of liberal, socialist, and democratic doctrines, Fascism extracts those elements which are still vital. It preserves what may be described as "the acquired facts" of history; it rejects all else. That is to say, it rejects the idea of a doctrine suited to all times and to all people. Granted that the XIXth century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the XXth century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the " right ", a Fascist century.

361 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:07:00pm

re: #358 HoosierHoops

Thousands of years ago somebody said..
You must be either dumb or stupid to fight me Hector..
And we all know how the Trojan horse thing worked out

The stakes were higher at Troy...

362 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:07:12pm

re: #351 Bagua

With enough weasel-words anything can be argued; up is down, wet is dry, and blue is really a flavour, not a colour at all (who knew)

The Nazi's co-opted ideas from both left and right wing, but are widely acknowledged as an extreme form of right wing fascism. What is the point of arguing otherwise?

Well I am more interested in exploring the topic. I don't think that Nazism should be place on the left, but I do have reservations about it being placed on the right. It is kind of an ultra left right wing organization and not the purely right wing political party that some make it out to be.

One curiosity is on this great left/right political spectrum, where does a strict US Constitutionalists fit? Would he be considered middle?

363 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:08:17pm

re: #360 Slumbering Behemoth

Quick, without cheating, who wrote the following:

I cheated. But I was right.

364 tradewind  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:08:58pm

re: #338 Cato the Elder
" For the title, it's Comma Chameleon vs. Apostrophe Catastrophe ".

365 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:09:05pm

re: #362 lrsshadow

Well I am more interested in exploring the topic. I don't think that Nazism should be place on the left, but I do have reservations about it being placed on the right. It is kind of an ultra left right wing organization and not the purely right wing political party that some make it out to be.

One curiosity is on this great left/right political spectrum, where does a strict US Constitutionalists fit? Would he be considered middle?

something tells me you're not a football fan

366 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:09:37pm

re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist

The stakes were higher at Troy...

If killing is your only talent..then that is your only curse..
-The battle of Troy

367 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:09:44pm

re: #362 lrsshadow

Well I am more interested in exploring the topic. I don't think that Nazism should be place on the left, but I do have reservations about it being placed on the right. It is kind of an ultra left right wing organization and not the purely right wing political party that some make it out to be.
blockquote>

Once again, 'some'. What serious scholar of the field does not?

368 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:09:54pm

re: #352 Buck

That I liked the show, and think that a person needs to have watched it in order to properly criticize it.

Buck, you should have said you liked his show in the first place.
You like Beck, I like the New York Times. Everyone has their favorites.
*ducks head from flaming arrows*

369 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:09:57pm

re: #365 albusteve

something tells me you're not a football fan

How'd ya plot that course???
:)

370 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:10:56pm

re: #369 Varek Raith

How'd ya plot that course???
:)

sekrit mind reeding skilz

371 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:11:00pm

I watched this 'documentary' earlier. Beck revises history with the help of the Doughy Pantload, so that everyone in the world who ever did any evil - including the Nazis - turns out to be a lefty 'progressive'. The next step for Beck is to terrify the viewer with the revelation that Obama and the US government are lefty progressives, and then sit back and watch the mayhem, and collect the money.

372 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:11:02pm

re: #348 SanFranciscoZionist

You say 'some'. Who is a reputable scholar who does not, whom I could turn to for a more detailed analysis?

William L Shirer

I don't think he placed a right or left political designator on the Nazi party and he could be arguably the preeminent scholar on the Nazi party. I would have to do some more research, but I don't think he made any designation either way.

373 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:11:35pm

re: #365 albusteve

something tells me you're not a football fan

lol yah I know the vikings are playing. you guessed it not much of a fan.

374 Bagua  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:11:52pm

re: #326 Killgore Trout

C'mon, it's gibberish. It's completely stupid historical revisionism. Let's suppose I wanted to rename colors [...]


GMTA

375 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:12:04pm

re: #359 albusteve

I'll settle for improper criticism then...Beck Ola!

Goodbye Pork Pie Hat

Youtube Video
376 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:12:47pm

Beer run. BBIAB.

377 Buck  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:13:04pm

re: #368 prairiefire

Buck, you should have said you liked his show in the first place.
You like Beck, I like the New York Times. Everyone has their favorites.
*ducks head from flaming arrows*

The show in the #0. I don't like Beck. I don't like everything he says, or does. BUT I liked this episode. Se my #194

378 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:13:06pm

re: #371 Jimmah

I watched this 'documentary' earlier. Beck revises history with the help of the Doughy Pantload, so that everyone in the world who ever did any evil - including the Nazis - turns out to be a lefty 'progressive'. The next step for Beck is to terrify the viewer with the revelation that Obama and the US government are lefty progressives, and then sit back and watch the mayhem, and collect the money.

Alexander the Great, Ivan the Terrible, and Jefferson Davis were all progressive leftists, and look at the carnage they caused.

379 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:13:35pm

oh boy. Not this crap again. Librhuls are just like HITLER!

380 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:14:03pm

re: #377 Buck

The show in the #0. I don't like Beck. I don't like everything he says, or does. BUT I liked this episode. Se my #194

I thought you took your addled bag of marbles and went home.

381 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:14:10pm

re: #378 Cato the Elder

Alexander the Great, Ivan the Terrible, and Jefferson Davis were all progressive leftists, and look at the carnage they caused.

Yeah but they had connections to the Fabian Society. That's another story altogether./

382 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:14:12pm

re: #379 iceweasel

oh boy. Not this crap again. Librhuls are just like HITLER!

FINALLY you admit it !!

//

383 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:14:56pm

re: #379 iceweasel

oh boy. Not this crap again. Librhuls are just like HITLER!

Yes. They all suffer from monorchidism.

384 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:15:23pm

re: #375 austin_blue

Goodbye Pork Pie Hat


[Video]

the only Beck that means anything to me...cool!

385 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:15:32pm

re: #383 Cato the Elder

Yes. They all suffer from monorchidism.

That you, COL Bogey?

386 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:15:45pm

re: #379 iceweasel

oh boy. Not this crap again. Librhuls are just like HITLER!

Hey you! Hope today finds you well

387 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:15:58pm

re: #372 lrsshadow

William L Shirer

I don't think he placed a right or left political designator on the Nazi party and he could be arguably the preeminent scholar on the Nazi party. I would have to do some more research, but I don't think he made any designation either way.

Get back to me on that.

388 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:16:16pm

re: #383 Cato the Elder

Yes. They all suffer from monorchidism.

Well, not all. :-)

389 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:16:59pm

re: #383 Cato the Elder

Yes. They all suffer from monorchidism.

The terrible disease in which you only have one orchid?

390 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:17:00pm

re: #372 lrsshadow

William L Shirer

I don't think he placed a right or left political designator on the Nazi party and he could be arguably the preeminent scholar on the Nazi party. I would have to do some more research, but I don't think he made any designation either way.

Perhaps because you don't start off a scholarly book by teaching your readers the alphabet.

391 tradewind  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:17:47pm

re: #383 Cato the Elder

Yes. They all suffer from monorchidism.


.....and that bunker mentality.

392 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:18:31pm

re: #388 iceweasel

Well, not all. :-)

True. Half of 'em are anorchidic.

393 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:18:39pm

re: #383 Cato the Elder

Yes. They all suffer from monorchidism.

Sorry that I went & looked THAT one up!

394 Bagua  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:18:41pm

re: #379 iceweasel

oh boy. Not this crap again. Librhuls are just like HITLER!

Historical revisionism is the turd which floats when the flush is not complete.

395 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:19:06pm

re: #391 tradewind

...and that bunker mentality.

Archie was a little harsh, but he was no Jeff Davis.

396 tradewind  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:19:09pm

re: #389 SanFranciscoZionist
Really, Cato's being too kind.... many of them have absolutely no balls at all.///

397 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:19:21pm

re: #394 Bagua

Historical revisionism is the turd which floats when the flush is not complete.

That needs to be quoted. A lot!

398 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:20:12pm

re: #386 HoosierHoops

Hey you! Hope today finds you well

Hey cutie! I'm just fine! How are you and Winston?

399 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:21:08pm

re: #379 iceweasel

oh boy. Not this crap again. Librhuls are just like HITLER!

Yes! And Obama is leading us, goose-stepping into a future of Socialism!

Have mercy.

400 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:21:24pm

re: #391 tradewind

...and that bunker mentality.

Archie Bunker only had one ball and one orchid !?!?!?

401 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:22:43pm

re: #394 Bagua

Historical revisionism is the turd which floats when the flush is not complete.

Worse than that. It's the turd that crawls back out of the septic tank, up the pipes, past the S-curve and floats there again, and again, and again, six hours to six decades after you last flushed it.

402 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:22:44pm

re: #399 austin_blue

Yes! And Obama is leading us, goose-stepping into a future of Socialism!

Have mercy.

more of a drone-like shuffle

403 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:22:54pm

Does this sound like something Glenn Beck would agree with?

"This positive conception of life is obviously an ethical one. It invests the whole field of reality as well as the human activities which master it. No action is exempt from moral judgment; no activity can be despoiled of the value which a moral purpose confers on all things. Therefore life, as conceived of by the
(insert your choice of radical political persuasion ),
is serious, austere, and religious; all its manifestations are poised in a world sustained by moral forces and subject to spiritual responsibilities. The (?)
disdains an “easy" life."

What political philosophy fills the blank?

404 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:23:14pm

AtheistCommuNazis of the world, UNITE!
...or some such.

405 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:24:47pm

re: #398 iceweasel

Hey cutie! I'm just fine! How are you and Winston?

Just hanging my friend....Planning the move to Singapore..Other than than..Just same old same old...*wink*

406 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:24:51pm

Shirer also commented a bit on what he saw as the U.S.'s tendency to be soft on right-wing dictatorships, and commented that "It would be easier here for a right-wing dictator than anyplace else."

Indulge me in a bit of Beckian speculation here. I wonder if Beck and friends are so desirous of relocating the Nazis to the left because they're aware on some level that their rhetoric sounds a teeny bit fascist in some lights, if you squint your eyes just right, and they want to distance themselves from big-boy fascists in their own mind, as a result?

407 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:25:15pm

re: #403 jaunte

Does this sound like something Glenn Beck would agree with?

What political philosophy fills the blank?

See my #401. The author's initials are BM.

408 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:25:36pm

re: #403 jaunte

Does this sound like something Glenn Beck would agree with?

What political philosophy fills the blank?

Sister Mary Claver's.

409 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:25:53pm

re: #390 Cato the Elder

Perhaps because you don't start off a scholarly book by teaching your readers the alphabet.

Perhaps it is because anyone who is serious doesn't use those oversimplifications of political categorization.

410 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:26:04pm

re: #399 austin_blue

Yes! And Obama is leading us, goose-stepping into a future of Socialism!

Have mercy.

The truth is out there!

411 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:26:04pm

re: #408 Decatur Deb

Steel ruler?

412 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:26:27pm

I thought it was funny how Beck tried to appear more intelligent at the beginning of the thing by wearing glasses. Like dressing a chimp in academic robes, the effect was purely comedic.

413 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:26:46pm

re: #411 jaunte

Steel ruler?

Rubber snake.

414 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:27:15pm

re: #413 Decatur Deb

Rubber snake.

Silk Hosiery!

(uummm,,, eeerrrrr)

415 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:27:47pm

re: #414 sattv4u2

Silk Hosiery!

(uummm,,, eeerrr)

They had feet??

416 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:28:02pm

re: #409 lrsshadow

Perhaps it is because anyone who is serious doesn't use those oversimplifications of political categorization.

You mean like arguing things like, Hitler was a vegetarian, lots of libs are vegetarian, therefore liberals are just like Hitler and fascism is a phenomenon of the left?

Yeah, I agree. People who are serious don't do that.

417 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:28:56pm

re: #406 SanFranciscoZionist

Hi, SanFranciscoZionist. OT~Regarding a previous discussion~ taking a folic acid supplement is a good idea for your future plans. Even if it is a year off or so, it helps a lot with neurological development.
There, I feel better. Indulge me, I love to give advice!

418 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:29:06pm

re: #415 Decatur Deb

They had feet??

The ones I had in grades 1-12 never sat. I only saw them standing and/or kneeling!

419 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:30:00pm

re: #403 jaunte

Does this sound like something Glenn Beck would agree with?

What political philosophy fills the blank?

Hmmm. We have a good definition of human death, driven by the medical community in response to transplantation: No functioning forebrain, no human.

Why isn't this a workable definition of human life?

420 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:30:37pm

re: #417 prairiefire

Hi, SanFranciscoZionist. OT~Regarding a previous discussion~ taking a folic acid supplement is a good idea for your future plans. Even if it is a year off or so, it helps a lot with neurological development.
There, I feel better. Indulge me, I love to give advice!

I'm already taking a multi-vitamin that includes it, and I'm meeting with my OB/GYN in a couple of weeks to ask a bunch of questions. Thanks for info!

421 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:31:43pm

re: #405 HoosierHoops

Just hanging my friend...Planning the move to Singapore..Other than than..Just same old same old...*wink*

Nice place to visit...

422 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:32:43pm

re: #421 austin_blue

Nice place to visit...

I have never been there

423 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:33:19pm

re: #52 Ojoe

Both far left and far right are similar: extremists with a will to power and no respect for others.

You can interchange them.

That because authoritarianism (and douchebaggery) exists on both sides of the political spectrum. On the far left it takes the form of totalitarianism, on the far right, fascism.
But nothing is to be gained by conflating words like 'fascism' and liberalism. Any more than by conflating conservatism with fascism.

424 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:33:36pm

re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist

Good luck! I am excited for you. It is like a huge science/biology experiment and you are the petri dish.

425 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:34:03pm

re: #416 iceweasel

You mean like arguing things like, Hitler was a vegetarian, lots of libs are vegetarian, therefore liberals are just like Hitler and fascism is a phenomenon of the left?

Yeah, I agree. People who are serious don't do that.

Yeah like those who place the Nazi party on the right or left they wouldn't be the serious historians. They would be the comedians who would try to draw such baseless labels or analogies.

I am glad you agree with me. I think it is a first.

426 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:34:19pm

A miniSFZ???

427 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:34:41pm

re: #422 HoosierHoops

I have never been there

Very regimented society. Very Chinese. Just go to Raffles and hang. You'll learn the rules real quick.

428 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:35:18pm

re: #426 Varek Raith

A miniSFZ???

We're hoping.

429 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:35:39pm

re: #420 SanFranciscoZionist

You wanna have some fun? First time the discussion comes up about who changes the diaper, tell him you're in production, not maintenance. :)

I tried that with my wife and didn't get in any production for a couple of weeks!

430 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:35:50pm

re: #424 prairiefire

Good luck! I am excited for you. It is like a huge science/biology experiment and you are the petri dish.

How ,,,,, ummm,,,, romantic !!!

//

431 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:35:51pm

re: #428 SanFranciscoZionist

We're hoping.

:) :) :) :) :)
oh, and
:)

432 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:36:14pm

re: #425 lrsshadow

Yeah like those who place the Nazi party on the right or left they wouldn't be the serious historians. They would be the comedians who would try to draw such baseless labels or analogies.

I am glad you agree with me. I think it is a first.

No, you agree with revisionists like Jonah Goldberg. On that we can agree, and that makes you an idiot.

433 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:37:00pm

re: #425 lrsshadow

Yeah like those who place the Nazi party on the right or left they wouldn't be the serious historians. They would be the comedians who would try to draw such baseless labels or analogies.

I am glad you agree with me. I think it is a first.

Would you place the Soviets on the right or the left?

434 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:37:07pm

re: #428 SanFranciscoZionist

I knew one lady whose daughters looked so much like her she swore her uterus was stamped xerox...

Seriously though, congratulations!

435 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:37:52pm

re: #432 iceweasel

No, you agree with revisionists like Jonah Goldberg. On that we can agree, and that makes you an idiot.

well aren't you just the guy to piss in someones bowl of rice krispies. I never said that I agree with Jonah Golberg. Why do you want to be a dick?

436 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:38:04pm

re: #434 PT Barnum

I knew one lady whose daughters looked so much like her she swore her uterus was stamped xerox...

Seriously though, congratulations!

Guys, don't get ahead of yourselves! The baby ain't conceived yet, and may not get started for a while...

437 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:38:09pm

re: #428 SanFranciscoZionist

That's exciting!

438 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:38:34pm

re: #423 iceweasel

That because authoritarianism (and douchebaggery) exists on both sides of the political spectrum. On the far left it takes the form of totalitarianism, on the far right, fascism.
But nothing is to be gained by conflating words like 'fascism' and liberalism. Any more than by conflating conservatism with fascism.

Language difference: In the '50s we defined both Fascism/Nazism side and the Bolshie side as "totalitarian". It was keyed to the subordination of everything to a state ideology.

439 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:38:49pm

re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist

Guys, don't get ahead of yourselves! The baby ain't conceived yet, and may not get started for a while...

Well ,, get off the net and go ,, umm,,, err,,,

romantic!!

440 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:38:56pm

re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist

You just need more practise!
;)

441 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:39:04pm

re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist

oh..i misunderstood...darn it! of course the conceiving part is the most fun anyway..the rest of it, well it's interesting..:)

Is this your hopeful first?

442 Mark Winter  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:40:14pm

Ah yes
Hitler killed millions in extermination camps
Stalin killed millions in Gulag camps
Mao killed millions by starving them to death.

That's one thing.

But Obama is going to kill millions of Americans with healthcare for all.

That's one step too far.

443 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:40:27pm

re: #439 sattv4u2

Well ,, get off the net and go ,, umm,,, err,,,

romantic!!

we called it the Horizontal Mambo....terms may differ

444 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:40:44pm

re: #441 PT Barnum

oh..i misunderstood...darn it! of course the conceiving part is the most fun anyway..the rest of it, well it's interesting..:)

Is this your hopeful first?

Yep, this will be number one. We have a name picked for a girl, but not a boy. I'm thirty-six, and keep getting prodded by helpful doctors telling me to get going.

445 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:40:47pm

re: #433 SanFranciscoZionist

Would you place the Soviets on the right or the left?

Right-wingers. Obviously. Look at the similarity of their uniforms, propoganda etc. And all those serious looking statues./

446 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:40:53pm

re: #432 iceweasel

On that we can agree, and that makes you an idiot.

Sorry ,, but the way that sentence is structured made me chuckle

It makes Iris an idiot for agreeing with you!!

//

sorry!

447 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:41:03pm

re: #435 lrsshadow

well aren't you just the guy to piss in someones bowl of rice krispies. I never said that I agree with Jonah Golberg. Why do you want to be a dick?

I think Killgore dealt with you more than sufficiently at 304 and elsewhere.

448 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:41:22pm

re: #443 albusteve

we called it the Horizontal Mambo...terms may differ

One of my friends favors 'the no-no cha-cha'.

449 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:41:22pm

re: #433 SanFranciscoZionist

Would you place the Soviets on the right or the left?

I don't think they belong on the spectrum. Particularly the Stalin and post Stalin Soviet Union. You could make a case that the omni potent state that existed in Hitler's Nazism and Stalin's Communism cannot be placed on the spectrum because they are so radical in government control.

450 Bagua  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:41:37pm

re: #435 lrsshadow

well aren't you just the guy to piss in someones bowl of rice krispies. I never said that I agree with Jonah Golberg. Why do you want to be a dick?

Penis envy?

451 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:42:15pm

re: #442 Mark Winter

Ah yes
Hitler killed millions in extermination camps
Stalin killed millions in Gulag camps
Mao killed millions by starving them to death.

That's one thing.

But Obama is going to kill millions of Americans with healthcare for all.

That's one step too far.


paging Carl Sagan!

452 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:42:19pm

re: #446 sattv4u2

On that we can agree, and that makes you an idiot.

Sorry ,, but the way that sentence is structured made me chuckle

It makes Iris an idiot for agreeing with you!!

//

sorry!

No prob. The referent of 'that' would be his love for Jonah Goldberg idiocy.

453 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:42:29pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep, this will be number one. We have a name picked for a girl, but not a boy. I'm thirty-six, and keep getting prodded by helpful doctors telling me to get going.

Don't let them put any undue pressure on you. My wife didn't have our 1st (and only) till she was 39.

454 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:42:32pm
455 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:42:44pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

Well best of luck...you have lots of things to look forward to...including TDS when the little tyke starts eating something other than formula..

I've had three..and while the oldest (20) has contributed mightily to my high blood pressure and gray hair population, the youngest (8) is a joy.

456 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:43:00pm

re: #452 iceweasel

No prob. The referent of 'that' would be his love for Jonah Goldberg idiocy.

I knew that, but the way it came out ,, not so much!

457 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:43:27pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep, this will be number one. We have a name picked for a girl, but not a boy. I'm thirty-six, and keep getting prodded by helpful doctors telling me to get going.

I can't believe it!...you are a mere child!
congratulations

458 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:44:32pm

re: #447 iceweasel

I think Killgore dealt with you more than sufficiently at 304 and elsewhere.

yah real strong argument, just like yours, rabid terrorior with a big bark (insults) and no bite (fact), you can just keep yourself zipped up in your bubble, here is a doggy bone little guy.

459 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:44:42pm

re: #457 albusteve

I can't believe it!...you are a mere child!
congratulations

If SFZ is a child, then that makes me a big ol' baby!
/Waaaahhhhh!!!
:D

460 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:45:25pm

re: #457 albusteve

my wife and I got married when she was 39 and I was 37. (second marriage for me, first for her.) Her biological alarm clock would go off every day and I hit the snooze button for all of 7 months before I gave in...didn't take any time at all after that...

Best decision I ever made!

461 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:45:36pm

re: #459 Varek Raith

If SFZ is a child, then that makes me a big ol' baby!
/Waaahhh!!!
:D

Younger than 36?

Hell ,, I have shoes that are 36 years old!

462 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:46:06pm

re: #461 sattv4u2

Younger than 36?

Hell ,, I have shoes that are 36 years old!

:D I'm 26.
Wahhh!

463 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:46:26pm

re: #453 sattv4u2

Don't let them put any undue pressure on you. My wife didn't have our 1st (and only) till she was 39.

Thank you! I've been saying for years that if by the time I was ready to go the eggs would not cooperate, I would adopt, so why panic...but I would like to do this the biological way, at least once.

I am going to try to hold off until we have two incomes again, though. We'll see.

464 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:46:32pm

re: #442 Mark Winter

Ah yes
Hitler killed millions in extermination camps
Stalin killed millions in Gulag camps
Mao killed millions by starving them to death.

That's one thing.

But Obama is going to kill millions of Americans with healthcare for all.

That's one step too far.

Huh. Here's one thing that the rest of the western world has done with national health care. Not killed millions.

To paraphrase Krusty the Clown:

"You, sir, are an idiot."

465 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:46:37pm

I love it when people like Buck say they're insulted and outta here, then hang around and wait to see if anyone insults them more.

466 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:46:54pm

re: #462 Varek Raith

:D I'm 26.
Wahhh!

I'm 26 ,,,,,, TWICE ,,, plus another 4!

467 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:47:08pm

re: #459 Varek Raith

If SFZ is a child, then that makes me a big ol' baby!
/Waaahhh!!!
:D

I'm a firm believer in getting out there and have those babies...mid or late twenties...Stiffen Up! and get it going!

468 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:47:11pm

re: #458 lrsshadow

yah real strong argument, just like yours, rabid terrorior with a big bark (insults) and no bite (fact), you can just keep yourself zipped up in your bubble, here is a doggy bone little guy.

It's pretty clear you know nothing about the issue.

Get back to us when you do.

Start here.

469 Mark Winter  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:47:41pm

re: #464 austin_blue

Sigh

You and PT Barnum please calibrate your irony detectors

470 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:47:49pm

re: #467 albusteve

I'm a firm believer in getting out there and have those babies...mid or late twenties...Stiffen Up! and get it going!

You sir, are awesome!
:)

471 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:48:29pm

re: #458 lrsshadow

yah real strong argument, just like yours, rabid terrorior with a big bark (insults) and no bite (fact), you can just keep yourself zipped up in your bubble, here is a doggy bone little guy.

You don't even realise you just made a post full of insults and completely bereft of facts do you? Idiot.

472 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:48:42pm

re: #469 Mark Winter

sorry...I withdraw my down ding...a sarc tag would have helped..

473 [deleted]  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:49:08pm
474 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:49:14pm

re: #36 Linden Arden

Well, the far right has put the "re-history" on Ayn Rand as one their own despite the fact that she detested William Buckley and Ronald Reagan.

An interesting article on the why - Buckley's Big Mistake - its very relevant to this blog.

Ayn Rand was also a atheist who supported abortion, so of course she fits right in with the modern republican party!

"Today, Catholicism and communism may well cooperate, on the premise that they will fight each other for power later, but must first destroy their common enemy, the individual, by forcing mankind to unite to form one neck-ready for one leash."

--- Ayn Rand....

475 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:49:51pm

re: #471 Jimmah

You don't even realise you just made a post full of insults and completely bereft of facts do you? Idiot.

Logical consistency is for LIBRHULS! And fascists.
/

476 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:49:54pm

re: #470 Varek Raith

You sir, are awesome!
:)

Firm Herm cannot be denied

477 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:50:07pm

re: #465 Cato the Elder

I love it when people like Buck say they're insulted and outta here, then hang around and wait to see if anyone insults them more.

Isn't there a word for that?

478 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:50:22pm

re: #461 sattv4u2

Younger than 36?

Hell ,, I have shoes that are 36 years old!

I have a new coworker this year, who did her teaching credential straight out of college. This is her first grown-up job.

She came to me and one of the bio teachers a few days ago, asking what she was supposed to do with the tax form the HR people had given her--should she give it back to them?

We realized, together, that she had never filed taxes before. Obnoxiously, we went "Awwwwww....."

479 reine.de.tout  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:50:40pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep, this will be number one. We have a name picked for a girl, but not a boy. I'm thirty-six, and keep getting prodded by helpful doctors telling me to get going.

I was 39 when I had my one and only.

Don't be afraid.

480 Mark Winter  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:50:44pm

re: #472 PT Barnum

I'm a bit worried if it IS needed... at least here

481 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:51:30pm

re: #469 Mark Winter

Sigh

You and PT Barnum please calibrate your irony detectors

Missing sarc tag.

482 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:51:40pm

re: #58 Varek Raith

Marxism.

I regret I have but one upding to give!

483 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:51:55pm

re: #468 iceweasel

It's pretty clear you know nothing about the issue.

Get back to us when you do.

Start here.

Oh ok so then you do agree that you level baseless allegations and insults when you don't have a factual argument.

You like to quote those like Beck and Goldbergs, but have you have read any of Shirer books on the history of the Nazi party or any other well regarded scholars, or you would just be talking out your ass.

What are you like 12 years old?

484 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:51:56pm

re: #463 SanFranciscoZionist

I am going to try to hold off until we have two incomes again, though. We'll see.

We had two incomes when we had our first. Combined, we made almost $100 per week, in NYC. Go for it.

485 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:52:01pm

re: #473 wlewisiii

I'd heard that song or at least read the lyrics...turns out it may have a nugget of truth to it...

486 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:52:26pm

re: #403 jaunte

You've been looking at my answer sheet!

487 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:52:37pm

re: #469 Mark Winter

Sigh

You and PT Barnum please calibrate your irony detectors

Sorry. There have been too many posts on this board where that is a legitimate statement of honest opinion. This is why Baby Jebus made sarc tags.

488 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:52:48pm

re: #468 iceweasel

It's pretty clear you know nothing about the issue.

Get back to us when you do.

Start here.

He wants to debate me on left vs. right, though.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

It'd be like Danny Bonaduce hitting back at that sick old man.

489 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:53:06pm

re: #480 Mark Winter

I'm a bit worried if it IS needed... at least here

It's only needed here (sometimes) until people get to know you. We do have a lot of different opinions, generations, and different senses of humour here. Normally I would think needing one is silly, but sometimes here it helps.
We do have a few people who refuse to use it on principle, too, so do what works for you!

490 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:54:20pm

re: #480 Mark Winter

not knowing you...it's helpful to put a sarc tag so I can get some idea of your general level of whatever so I know whether or not you're serious or not...it's a courtesy..since there are anough new lizards (myself being one of them) that it helps avoid misunderstandings.

491 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:54:32pm

re: #483 lrsshadow

Oh ok so then you do agree that you level baseless allegations and insults when you don't have a factual argument.

....

What are you like 12 years old?

Really, this is one reason, among many, why we're laughing at you.

492 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:55:00pm

K kiddies ,, time for that long, dark, chilly drive home

Have a fun

493 Mark Winter  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:55:06pm

re: #481 SanFranciscoZionist

The point of irony is that it has no tags... usually
Although sadly enough there are heaps of sites who'd take my comment at face value.

Which is something that the NYT has completely missed about LGF and Charles parting ways with the right.

494 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:55:14pm

re: #490 PT Barnum

not knowing you...it's helpful to put a sarc tag so I can get some idea of your general level of whatever so I know whether or not you're serious or not...it's a courtesy..since there are anough new lizards (myself being one of them) that it helps avoid misunderstandings.

Basically, we get enough crazy people here that we can't assume you aren't crazy until we get to know you.

Hi, by the way!

495 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:55:18pm

re: #471 Jimmah

You don't even realise you just made a post full of insults and completely bereft of facts do you? Idiot.

ah another intellectual. nice to see you joined us do you have any facts or are you going to just level insults like others here have?

Some people have made all kinds of accusations toward me, totally ignoring any factual argument, so that just leaves me to believe some of you are just as stupid as beck or oberman and only affirms that my arguments are correct.

496 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:56:01pm

Hmmm, I needs moar popcorn!1!

497 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:56:31pm

re: #488 Cato the Elder

He wants to debate me on left vs. right, though.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

It'd be like Danny Bonaduce hitting back at that sick old man.

I will debate you on anything you want. You kind of laugh at the idea, if you are so good pick a topic. I am calling you out for a second time.

If not well then your just not I guess.

498 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:56:50pm

I think it is very interesting who give me an upding when I forgot to put a sarc tag. I realized I was being completely misunderstood.

499 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:56:52pm

re: #495 lrsshadow

ah another intellectual. nice to see you joined us do you have any facts or are you going to just level insults like others here have?

Some people have made all kinds of accusations toward me, totally ignoring any factual argument, so that just leaves me to believe some of you are just as stupid as beck or oberman and only affirms that my arguments are correct.

You don't have a factual argument. It's already been pointed out to you by many.That's why this is degenerating further into butthurt whining and random insults on your part.

500 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:57:31pm

re: #360 Slumbering Behemoth

Quick, without cheating, who wrote the following:
A party governing a nation “totalitarianly" is a new departure in history. There are no points of reference nor of comparison. From beneath the ruins of liberal, socialist, and democratic doctrines, Fascism extracts those elements which are still vital. It preserves what may be described as "the acquired facts" of history; it rejects all else. That is to say, it rejects the idea of a doctrine suited to all times and to all people. Granted that the XIXth century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the XXth century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the " right ", a Fascist century.

I see I didn't get any takers on this one, and only one cheater. Bummer. :(

501 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:57:41pm

re: #498 prairiefire

PIMF who gave me an upding

502 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:57:44pm

re: #499 iceweasel

You don't have a factual argument. It's already been pointed out to you by many.That's why this is degenerating further into butthurt whining and random insults on your part.

still waiting for those facts you have been talking about... any time now. ah forget about you guys aren't interested I guess.

503 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:59:10pm

re: #495 lrsshadow

ah another intellectual. nice to see you joined us do you have any facts or are you going to just level insults like others here have?

Some people have made all kinds of accusations toward me, totally ignoring any factual argument, so that just leaves me to believe some of you are just as stupid as beck or oberman and only affirms that my arguments are correct.

It's the reincarnation of Nodrog! The superior intellect! And can't spell Olbermann!

504 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 6:59:18pm

re: #502 lrsshadow

The deflectors are strong on this one.

505 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:00:55pm

re: #495 lrsshadow

ah another intellectual. nice to see you joined us do you have any facts or are you going to just level insults like others here have?

Some people have made all kinds of accusations toward me, totally ignoring any factual argument, so that just leaves me to believe some of you are just as stupid as beck or oberman and only affirms that my arguments are correct.

Your behaviour is that of an idiot - that's a fact. You want to try and dazzle us with your promised awesome array of facts - on you go; no-one is stopping you.

506 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:02:46pm

re: #500 Slumbering Behemoth

I read it, didn't recognize it (not surprising) but didn't cheat. So please, spill the beans!

507 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:02:54pm

re: #505 Jimmah

Your behaviour is that of an idiot - that's a fact. You want to try and dazzle us with your promised awesome array of facts - on you go; no-one is stopping you.

don't be mean...rise above it

508 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:03:48pm

re: #495 lrsshadow

some of you are just as stupid as beck or oberman and only affirms that my arguments are correct.

re: #503 austin_blue

It's the reincarnation of Nodrog! The superior intellect! And can't spell Olbermann!

Don't be too hard on him. He meant to type oberführer, obviously. A reasonable mistake on his part.

509 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:04:26pm

oh all I am saying is that those who have made the transition from labeling the Nazi party as a Totalitarian party to a Fascism Party to a Right wing political party are the revisionist of history.

It is just as wrong to assert that nazism belongs on the right as it is to assert it belongs on the left. I have not found nor has anyone supplied me with any historian who argued that the nazism belongs on the right other then those modern scholars.

Those like Shirer never placed Nazism in the category of right wing and it can be argued there are few who are more respected when it comes to Nazi history.

510 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:05:46pm

re: #508 iceweasel

Don't be too hard on him. He meant to type oberführer, obviously. A reasonable mistake on his part.

You got the umlaut in! No wonder the Glaswegian fell for you.

511 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:06:33pm

re: #108 lrsshadow

Does a governments opposition to a political party make it, its opposite?

That would seem to be the only argument that anyone makes besides nationalism for placing Nazi party on the right. Like I have said in other posts it is just an abomination like communism. They don't belong on the left right political spectrum, they belong all by themselves.

The first mistake was made by placing Nazism on the right and communism on the left, they are both forms of overreaching government control the lead directly to totalitarianism.

Nazisim was very much a religious movement as opposed to communism which tried to ban religion. It was also very big on making sure that a woman's place was in her husband's house. "Grab a broom and you find a groom." Or something along those lines.

How is that for a start?

512 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:06:59pm

re: #509 lrsshadow

oh all I am saying is that those who have made the transition from labeling the Nazi party as a Totalitarian party to a Fascism Party to a Right wing political party are the revisionist of history.

It is just as wrong to assert that nazism belongs on the right as it is to assert it belongs on the left. I have not found nor has anyone supplied me with any historian who argued that the nazism belongs on the right other then those modern scholars.

Those like Shirer never placed Nazism in the category of right wing and it can be argued there are few who are more respected when it comes to Nazi history.

You've named one, one, scholar. Who are 'those like Shirer'? And why do you deride 'those modern scholars'?

513 blueraven  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:07:48pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep, this will be number one. We have a name picked for a girl, but not a boy. I'm thirty-six, and keep getting prodded by helpful doctors telling me to get going.

I had my first at 35 and my second and last one at 38. I never regretted waiting until I was a little older to start a family. I was ready then and they have brought such joy to my life. Best of luck!

514 Mark Winter  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:08:22pm

re: #487 austin_blue

Sorry. There have been too many posts on this board where that is a legitimate statement of honest opinion. .

I sometimes forget that this is indeed true

515 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:08:58pm

re: #512 Varek Raith

You've named one, one, scholar. Who are 'those like Shirer'? And why do you deride 'those modern scholars'?

Shirer, also, to the best of my knowledge, does not say the Nazis were not right-wingers. He simply wrote a history of the Reich.

516 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:09:31pm

re: #512 Varek Raith

You've named one, one, scholar. Who are 'those like Shirer'? And why do you deride 'those modern scholars'?

Griffin, Eatwell, Laqueuer, and Weber all argued that Fascism had influences of right and left political spectrum. Now it is your turn.

517 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:09:50pm

re: #513 blueraven

I had my first at 35 and my second and last one at 38. I never regretted waiting until I was a little older to start a family. I was ready then and they have brought such joy to my life. Best of luck!

Seriously, thanks. Encouragement is helpful right about now!

518 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:09:57pm

re: #515 SanFranciscoZionist

Shirer, also, to the best of my knowledge, does not say the Nazis were not right-wingers. He simply wrote a history of the Reich.

Danke schön!

519 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:10:32pm

re: #509 lrsshadow

oh all I am saying is that those who have made the transition from labeling the Nazi party as a Totalitarian party to a Fascism Party to a Right wing political party are the revisionist of history.

snip

Who do you think he was singing about in 1943?

Image: Woody_Guthrie.jpg

520 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:10:56pm
Reactionary (also reactionist) refers to any political or social movement or ideology that seeks a return to a previous state (the status quo ante). The term originated in the French Revolution, to denote the counter-revolutionaries who wanted to restore the real or imagined conditions of the monarchical Ancien Régime.

Reactionists are on the far right of the political spectrum. Nazism is/was reactionary. Ipso facto, Nazism is on the far right of the political spectrum.

Hope that helps clear everything up.

521 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:11:01pm

re: #516 lrsshadow

Griffin, Eatwell, Laqueuer, and Weber all argued that Fascism had influences of right and left political spectrum. Now it is your turn.

I don't know, you'd probably dismiss 'those modern scholars'...

522 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:11:27pm

re: #513 blueraven

I had my first at 35 and my second and last one at 38. I never regretted waiting until I was a little older to start a family. I was ready then and they have brought such joy to my life. Best of luck!

my real life began at the point I was a father...anything before that paled in comparison..I went after parenthood like ugly on the ape and have loved every moment of it...I was 30 and 32, my wife was a bit younger...good times, but it's cost me a fortune...so what

523 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:13:00pm

re: #512 Varek Raith

You've named one, one, scholar. Who are 'those like Shirer'? And why do you deride 'those modern scholars'?

Because Fascism is a phenomenon of the right. Only revisionists, morons, and those with an ideological axe to grind argue otherwise. Goldberg fits all three categories. So I suspect does our friend.
Robert O. Paxton. Anatomy of Fascism
Umberto Eco: Eternal fascism.

I highly recommend that Eco essay. It's very short and very good.
Serious historians have difficulty settling on a specific definition of fascism. Idiots like Goldberg pick and choose the parts they like that will help them with their revisionist project, while ignoring or discarding all the ones that won't.

524 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:13:36pm

re: #520 Slumbering Behemoth

Reactionists are on the far right of the political spectrum. Nazism is/was reactionary. Ipso facto, Nazism is on the far right of the political spectrum.

Hope that helps clear everything up.

thanks, but I'm still trying to figure out why it even matters

525 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:13:40pm

re: #509 lrsshadow

oh all I am saying is that those who have made the transition from labeling the Nazi party as a Totalitarian party to a Fascism Party to a Right wing political party are the revisionist of history.

It is just as wrong to assert that nazism belongs on the right as it is to assert it belongs on the left. I have not found nor has anyone supplied me with any historian who argued that the nazism belongs on the right other then those modern scholars.

Those like Shirer never placed Nazism in the category of right wing and it can be argued there are few who are more respected when it comes to Nazi history.

Dude, I read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" when I was seven. The Reich was a fascist state run by a dictator who controlled the entire fabric of society. So was Spain under Franco and Italy under Mussolini. If you don't get this basic concept, you just need to read Shirer again.

526 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:15:20pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

That's pretty sad, sorry to hear that. At least Beck isn't asking people to send him their money (yet).

Well he asks people to buy gold and then makes the price of gold go up by making people afraid...

527 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:15:26pm

re: #525 austin_blue

Dude, I read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" when I was seven. The Reich was a fascist state run by a dictator who controlled the entire fabric of society. So was Spain under Franco and Italy under Mussolini. If you don't get this basic concept, you just need to read Shirer again.

seven?...yikes!

528 fizzlogic  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:15:43pm

re: #509 lrsshadow

It's been well over twenty years since I read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. But I don't recall it as a book on political spectrums; only a history on the rise and fall of Hitler and the Nazi Party. A very good book, IIRC--with one very heartbreaking part from a diary entry. I don't think The Nightmare Years covered political spectrums either. What book are you referring to?

529 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:16:18pm

re: #507 albusteve

don't be mean...rise above it

Maybe some music is in order:

Youtube Video
530 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:16:25pm

re: #506 Stanley Sea

I read it, didn't recognize it (not surprising) but didn't cheat. So please, spill the beans!

Okay, I'll spill it. It was written by BENITO MUSSOLINI, the father of the FAR RIGHT political ideology know as FASCISM.

531 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:16:25pm

re: #524 albusteve

thanks, but I'm still trying to figure out why it even matters

In a lot of ways it doesn't. But the determination of some to reassign the Nazis to the left has real (and dishonest) political motivation behind it.

Beck isn't doing this for fun.

532 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:17:03pm

at seven I was deep into Curious George

533 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:17:19pm

re: #527 albusteve

seven?...yikes!

I was 8 during the first Gulf War and could name just about all of the military equipment used by the US, our allies and the Iraqis. I had this fascination with the Scud...
/I was so a weird kid. :)

534 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:17:59pm

"Griffin, Eatwell, Laqueuer, and Weber are among the top scholars of fascism, and they are reluctant to call fascism simply a right-wing ideology. Yet in their lengthy discussions they observe that generally fascism and neofascism allies itself with right-wing or conservative forces on the basis of racial nationalism, hatred of the political left, or simple expediency."
[Link: www.google.com...]

535 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:18:08pm

re: #525 austin_blue

Dude, I read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" when I was seven. The Reich was a fascist state run by a dictator who controlled the entire fabric of society. So was Spain under Franco and Italy under Mussolini. If you don't get this basic concept, you just need to read Shirer again.

wow holy shit dude you read a college level book on history that was 1599 pages long, I was only playing with leggos when I was seven.

536 elizajane  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:18:41pm

I assume that Beck will soon be put in charge of writing the History standards for the state of Texas. After all, he's a "substantive" historian.

537 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:18:49pm

re: #524 albusteve

thanks, but I'm still trying to figure out why it even matters

It doesn't matter if we call them Thelma and Louise, as long as everyone in the game understands the definition. Warping the language is a cheap way to warp the reality.

538 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:18:52pm

re: #524 albusteve

thanks, but I'm still trying to figure out why it even matters

It only matters to point that sort of stuff out when the Jonah G.'s of the world spend a bunch of time playing "I know you are, but what am I" crap.

Plus, it's fun for me to point that stuff out. I know, I'm boring.

539 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:19:24pm

re: #531 SanFranciscoZionist

In a lot of ways it doesn't. But the determination of some to reassign the Nazis to the left has real (and dishonest) political motivation behind it.

Beck isn't doing this for fun.

yea just like those who placed it on the right when they revised history over the last forty years.

It belongs neither on the right or left.

540 Right Handed Neutrino  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:19:30pm

I have to admit, the whole thing feels somewhat silly to me. Does it really matter that we can or cannot pin a label on a 70 years old political movement? If they had bad ideas (i.e. invade neighboring countries, round up and kill minorities and political opponents), then we should be able to argue that these ideas were bad on their own merits, or lack thereof. If they had good ideas (i.e. nothing in particular comes to mind, but even Hitler and Mao must have had some reasonable opinions on, I don't know, maintaining roads or something) then we should equally be able to argue that these ideas are good on their merits. But whether or not these ideas would today be categorized as "right wing" or "left wing" seems somewhat irrelevant.

541 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:20:00pm

re: #529 Jimmah

Maybe some music is in order:


[Video]

I sure hope those guys are on my side...I'm mono lingual

542 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:21:03pm

re: #539 lrsshadow

yea just like those who placed it on the right when they revised history over the last forty years.

It belongs neither on the right or left.

Who 'revised history'? And please, answer my question--do you consider the Soviets right, left, or neither.?

543 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:21:53pm

re: #541 albusteve

I sure hope those guys are on my side...I'm mono lingual

*Varek is tempted to post some of the Japanese bands he listens to*
At least, I would, had they not been DMCA'd :(

544 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:22:45pm

re: #542 SanFranciscoZionist

Who 'revised history'? And please, answer my question--do you consider the Soviets right, left, or neither.?

I believe lrsshadow said neither.

545 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:23:55pm

re: #542 SanFranciscoZionist

Who 'revised history'? And please, answer my question--do you consider the Soviets right, left, or neither.?

neither

546 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:24:05pm

re: #266 Buck

Sure, but they have been dissected by thousands of people. This show (which aired on Friday), not so much.

I for one wish Glen Beck was dissected by thousands of people as well. Only after his death of natural causes, but still think of what modern medicine could learn!

547 BlackFedora  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:24:10pm

From the very little bit of the program I saw last night the tone of it was pretty shrill. I'm not a huge fan of Che t-shirts myself either. I think its a good idea to remind ourselves of what can occur when government oversteps their bounds but I think the local library is a better place to remind yourself of that rather than watching Beck.

I'm not sure if he ever got into comparing Mao and others to the Obama Administration though as I did not see the whole program.

548 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:25:08pm

the 2010 elections will give us a more clear picture of the influence of Beck, his minions, and the tea party people...until then I dismiss Glen Beck and could care less what his message is...and I have no problem with Beck mock jocks, go for it, he deserves all the shit heaped on him

549 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:26:32pm

re: #543 Varek Raith

*Varek is tempted to post some of the Japanese bands he listens to*
At least, I would, had they not been DMCA'd :(

please don't for my benefit...I'm a simple Stones head

550 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:27:08pm

re: #548 albusteve

I think the 2010 elections are going to be strongly influenced by Beck as well as the tea party people.

551 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:27:45pm

re: #541 albusteve

I sure hope those guys are on my side...I'm mono lingual

Lyrics, in English :

[Link: 66.102.9.132...]

552 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:28:27pm

re: #545 lrsshadow

The problem is that those on the right have run out of things to use to demonize anyone left of (insert right wing icon here).

Adding Nazism is just a way of trying to add more ammunition to the pejorative sense they have succeeded in applying to the term liberal.

553 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:28:55pm

re: #540 Right Handed Neutrino

I have to admit, the whole thing feels somewhat silly to me. Does it really matter that we can or cannot pin a label on a 70 years old political movement? If they had bad ideas (i.e. invade neighboring countries, round up and kill minorities and political opponents), then we should be able to argue that these ideas were bad on their own merits, or lack thereof. If they had good ideas (i.e. nothing in particular comes to mind, but even Hitler and Mao must have had some reasonable opinions on, I don't know, maintaining roads or something) then we should equally be able to argue that these ideas are good on their merits. But whether or not these ideas would today be categorized as "right wing" or "left wing" seems somewhat irrelevant.

It would be, except that this isn't a scholarly quarrel, but a modern political one. When Glenn Beck parades Jonah Goldberg's unscholarly and silly insistence that fascism is not only left-wing but 'liberal', there is a clear agenda of trying to smear contemporary American liberals as fascists going along with it

It's worth trying to clarify what the discussion is really about. Similar with those people who keep popping up with scraps gleaned from "God's Battalions", insisting that the Crusades were a war of defense against the Muslim marauders. Changing history to suit your immediate political needs may be good propaganda, but it;s bad history.

554 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:29:31pm

re: #551 Jimmah

Lyrics, in English :

[Link: 66.102.9.132...]

yikes!...what ever happened to Peter, Paul, and Mary?

555 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:29:59pm

re: #550 prairiefire

I think the 2010 elections are going to be strongly influenced by Beck as well as the tea party people.

And that's why I'll be writing checks I don't want to write for some lame-ass democrats.

556 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:30:24pm

What the hell is next, Dominionism is left-wing?!?!

557 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:30:45pm

re: #552 PT Barnum

The problem is that those on the right have run out of things to use to demonize anyone left of (insert right wing icon here).

Adding Nazism is just a way of trying to add more ammunition to the pejorative sense they have succeeded in applying to the term liberal.

The Sheriff of Nottingham?

558 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:31:17pm

re: #541 albusteve

I sure hope those guys are on my side...I'm mono lingual

There's a kitten version of it too!
[Link: www.rathergood.com...]

559 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:31:39pm

re: #538 Slumbering Behemoth

Thanks SB for the Mussolini answer. Definitely not boring.

560 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:31:58pm

re: #556 Varek Raith

What the hell is next, Dominionism is left-wing?!?!

No, the revisionists still like the Dominionists.

561 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:32:13pm

re: #554 albusteve

yikes!...what ever happened to Peter, Paul, and Mary?

They came Bach.

Youtube Video
562 albusteve  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:32:36pm

re: #558 iceweasel

There's a kitten version of it too!
[Link: www.rathergood.com...]

heh...a bit kinder and gentler

563 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:33:02pm

re: #558 iceweasel

There's a kitten version of it too!
[Link: www.rathergood.com...]

You beat me to it :)

564 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:33:02pm

re: #548 albusteve

"Mock Jocks"? Excellent, I like it.

565 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:33:17pm

re: #555 Decatur Debre: #555 Decatur Deb

I hope that Mr. Obama and Mr. Emanuel are spending lots of time in quiet self reflection and screaming war room planning.

566 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:33:30pm

re: #557 SanFranciscoZionist

The Sheriff of Nottingham?

Sheriff of Rottingham?

Youtube Video
567 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:33:58pm

re: #557 SanFranciscoZionist

I was thinking Hitler myself, but realized that's part of what the argument is about...

568 austin_blue  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:34:39pm

re: #535 lrsshadow

wow holy shit dude you read a college level book on history that was 1599 pages long, I was only playing with leggos when I was seven.

Well, I stopped reading it when the war ended. Didn't have any interest after that. My Da kept buying history books about WWII for me to read and I became a political wonk about the process of that war and conflict in general.

569 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:36:16pm

re: #563 Jimmah

You beat me to it :)

We are of one mind, as ever.
A filthy, filthy mind. :-)

570 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:37:12pm

re: #559 Stanley Sea

Thanks SB for the Mussolini answer. Definitely not boring.

No problem. Now, let's see if you can answer Jaunte's question here.

/imsuchastinker

571 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:37:19pm

re: #569 iceweasel

I can't help but wonder when the reunification will occur. Hopefully it's getting closer for you two.

572 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:37:29pm

re: #569 iceweasel

We are of one mind, as ever.
A filthy, filthy mind. :-)

Get a room!
...Wait...Dammit!
:)

573 Kewalo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:37:44pm

re: #516 lrsshadow

Griffin, Eatwell, Laqueuer, and Weber are among the top scholars of fascism, and they are reluctant to call fascism simply a right-wing ideology. Yet in their lengthy discussions they observe that generally fascism and neofascism allies itself with right-wing or conservative forces on the basis of racial nationalism, hatred of the political left, or simple expediency.
[Link: www.spiritus-temporis.com...]

574 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:38:16pm

re: #572 Varek Raith

Get a room!
...Wait...Dammit!
:)

Wait...re: #571 Stanley Sea

I can't help but wonder when the reunification will occur. Hopefully it's getting closer for you two.

Shit... I didn't know...Damn. Sorry!
:(

575 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:38:31pm

To lighten things up a bit...

Youtube Video
576 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:38:36pm

SFZ: I consider the Soviet empire to be Left. In context of the war of the red and the black there's no other place they fit. Both were evil. The way I like to put this is that Marxism is a fatally flawed political ideology that can lead to bad things as it fails.

577 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:40:32pm

re: #570 Slumbering Behemoth

Cannot, and don't want to look it up (yet)

Seems like the blank would today be filled with "conservatism" but I'm wondering if it was written by Jefferson or someone? Yes, you have stinked me!

578 fizzlogic  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:41:16pm

re: #556 Varek Raith

What the hell is next, Dominionism is left-wing?!?!

At the leftist meetings I attend we do sing songs pining for a corporate paradise--corporations of the world unite.

579 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:42:01pm

re: #573 Kewalo

Griffin, Eatwell, Laqueuer, and Weber are among the top scholars of fascism, and they are reluctant to call fascism simply a right-wing ideology. Yet in their lengthy discussions they observe that generally fascism and neofascism allies itself with right-wing or conservative forces on the basis of racial nationalism, hatred of the political left, or simple expediency.
[Link: www.spiritus-temporis.com...]

Thank you for proving my point. The above scholars are saying they reluctant to call fascism simply a right wing ideology. My point entirely.

580 Kewalo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:42:07pm

re: #534 jaunte

GMTA!

581 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:42:09pm

re: #578 trendsurfer

At the leftist meetings I attend we do sing songs pining for a corporate paradise--corporations of the world unite.

I hear that once we reach the perfect state that the board will whither away.

582 Right Handed Neutrino  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:42:59pm

re: #553 SanFranciscoZionist

I think you're right that it's really about trying to smear the progressive movement as being somewhat similar to Nazis. But I suppose that my point was that, in a perfect world, the answer I would like Beck and those who think like him to receive is "you keep comparing us to Nazis, but that's pointless. If you're going to argue, try to argue about whether or not our ideas make sense, our policies work, and so on, not about whether or not some admittedly very evil dude who lived 70 years ago was on our side or not of some murkily defined political border."

But I suppose it's pretty naive of me to think that this could ever happen, so I suppose you are right that in the end it does matter that we correct them when they try to smear an entire movement that way.

583 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:43:06pm

re: #571 Stanley Sea

I can't help but wonder when the reunification will occur. Hopefully it's getting closer for you two.

Well, the current plan is for Jimmah-ski to come back to the US on a tourist visa and wait with me for the spousal visa. I can't leave the US (or enter the UK) while that's being processed.
So, soon, we hope...at least this way Jimmah gets to spend more time in the US, too.

584 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:44:03pm

re: #497 lrsshadow

I will debate you on anything you want. You kind of laugh at the idea, if you are so good pick a topic. I am calling you out for a second time.

If not well then your just not I guess.

Well I guess I win the debate by default as Cato is unwilling to even debate.

Another dog with all bark no bite.

585 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:44:19pm

re: #576 Thanos

SFZ: I consider the Soviet empire to be Left. In context of the war of the red and the black there's no other place they fit. Both were evil. The way I like to put this is that Marxism is a fatally flawed political ideology that can lead to bad things as it fails.

Agreed with you there. Finally got to the bottom of the thread.

586 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:44:26pm

re: #583 iceweasel

And buy appropriate footwear, on sale, I do trust!
*waves**

587 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:44:57pm

gnite all..

588 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:45:06pm

re: #584 lrsshadow

He's got plenty of bite and if you keep up the insults you'll find out how much bite he has.

589 fizzlogic  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:45:16pm

re: #581 Thanos

I hear that once we reach the perfect state that the board will whither away.

Or as some like to call it, The Golden Parachute of Financial Utopia--where there is no want or need.

590 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:45:54pm

re: #571 Stanley Sea

re: #574 Varek Raith

I have to get a few things sorted out on the documents side - really just waiting on other people to deliver stuff at the moment. Once they have, I can fly to NYC :)

591 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:46:20pm

Music Time!
When I'm "elected" Emperor...er President, this will become the new National Anthem.

MP3 Audio

No sarc ;)
592 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:46:58pm

re: #577 Stanley Sea

Seems like the blank would today be filled with "conservatism" but I'm wondering if it was written by Jefferson or someone? Yes, you have stinked me!

Well, I'll spill the bean's on that one for you also. I hope Jaunte doesn't mind.

That was written by the same person who wrote the quote in my quiz question: BENITO MUSSOLINI, the father of the FAR RIGHT political ideology know as FASCISM.

As a matter of fact, Jaunte's excerpt and my excerpt come from the same document: THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM.

593 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:47:42pm

re: #445 Jimmah

Right-wingers. Obviously. Look at the similarity of their uniforms, propoganda etc. And all those serious looking statues./

My good why else could we possibly call deeply republican states "red states" if you're wrong!

594 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:48:44pm

re: #586 Floral Giraffe

And buy appropriate footwear, on sale, I do trust!
*waves**

Tackety boots!

595 lrsshadow  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:49:23pm

re: #588 Dark_Falcon

He's got plenty of bite and if you keep up the insults you'll find out how much bite he has.

I only give it out as it is given.

I have waited around for hours and his insults only demonstrate an unwillingness to have a debate on facts. He seems only willing to cast insults and grandiose estimates of his debating abilities.

I have called him out multiple times, but he has coward away and unwilling to debate, alas I must move to other business. If he changes his mind and sees me on this site in the future, my challenge still stands, any topic, his choice, I will debate him.

I hope all of you have a great weekend. Peace.

596 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:49:37pm

re: #588 Dark_Falcon

He's got plenty of bite and if you keep up the insults you'll find out how much bite he has.

Hope you brought popcorn!

597 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:49:55pm

re: #592 Slumbering Behemoth

Gracias.

598 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:50:18pm

re: #584 lrsshadow

Who do you imagine you're impressing by acting this way?

In so far as a 'left/right' spectrum makes any sense, Fascism is 'right', since, as has been clearly explained to you many times, it's reactionary, traditionalist, and rests on a myth of specific cultural greatness.

I'm not sure how pretending not to have seen the many good reasons to consider Fascism on the 'right' is supposed to make you seem intelligent or whatever it is you're aiming for.

599 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:50:23pm

re: #591 Varek Raith

Stay on target!

600 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:50:33pm

Glen Beck is such an ass. His whole thesis fails to even take into account the circumstances that prevailed in Germany in the aftermath of World War I and how those helped the Nazis rise and fueled their hatred of Jews. Arguments like Beck's drive me crazy because they lead people to faulty understandings of history. If I meet such a person and have time, I can correct those faulty understandings, but there are not enough people such s us lizards to administer the corrective, which means that millions of people will be making political support decisions based on a flawed premise.

601 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:50:58pm

re: #599 Slumbering Behemoth

Stay on target!

Lol.

602 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:51:02pm

re: #588 Dark_Falcon

He's got plenty of bite and if you keep up the insults you'll find out how much bite he has.

Irsshadow likes to claim that if Cato doesn't engage with him it 'proves' Irsshadow has won. Much like he likes to claim that jaunte's quote above 'proves' his point-- because he wholly ignores the parts of the quote that rebut him.
This is why it's pointless to engage with him.

603 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:51:41pm

re: #591 Varek Raith

Music Time!
When I'm "elected" Emperor...er President, this will become the new National Anthem.

[Video]
No sarc ;)

Ah but we just made it our national anthem here in Britain:

Youtube Video
604 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:52:00pm

re: #500 Slumbering Behemoth

I see I didn't get any takers on this one, and only one cheater. Bummer. :(

Well I don't want to look like an idiot in the internet but if you want someone to guess who has no idea Bunito Musolini whose name I messed up so badly I might as well point out I'm talking about that guy who ran Italy during WW2...

605 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:52:57pm

re: #603 Jimmah

Ah but we just made it our national anthem here in Britain:


[Video]

Dammit!... Redirects the Galaxy Gun...
;)

606 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:53:28pm

re: #604 jamesfirecat

Bunito Musolini was a baker in the village of Corleone, I think.

607 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:54:17pm

I whittled you post down to this in the interest of brevity.

re: #598 Obdicut


Fascism is... reactionary, traditionalist, and rests on a myth of specific cultural greatness.

Add fear mongering, scape goating, and populism. Come to think of it, with all these traits in mind, it is becoming obvious to me that Glenn Beck is in fact a fascist.

608 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:54:35pm

re: #606 jaunte

Bunito Musolini was a baker in the village of Corleone, I think.

"Little Buns", they called him.

609 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:55:51pm

re: #602 iceweasel

Irsshadow likes to claim that if Cato doesn't engage with him it 'proves' Irsshadow has won. Much like he likes to claim that jaunte's quote above 'proves' his point-- because he wholly ignores the parts of the quote that rebut him.
This is why it's pointless to engage with him.

But thanks to you and Jimmah, we can at least describe his actions:

Youtube Video
610 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:56:10pm

re: #604 jamesfirecat

Well I don't want to look like an idiot in the internet...

Why not? I do it all the time, it's fun.

611 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:57:54pm

re: #604 jamesfirecat

Well I don't want to look like an idiot in the internet but if you want someone to guess who has no idea Bunito Musolini whose name I messed up so badly I might as well point out I'm talking about that guy who ran Italy during WW2...

For your penance, rent the excellent film "Tea With Mussolini". Maggie Smith and Cher being great.

612 Kewalo  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:57:57pm

re: #600 Dark_Falcon

Glen Beck is such an ass. His whole thesis fails to even take into account the circumstances that prevailed in Germany in the aftermath of World War I and how those helped the Nazis rise and fueled their hatred of Jews. Arguments like Beck's drive me crazy because they lead people to faulty understandings of history. If I meet such a person and have time, I can correct those faulty understandings, but there are not enough people such s us lizards to administer the corrective, which means that millions of people will be making political support decisions based on a flawed premise.

This is just how I feel when I hear someone who is worried about communism. It is so frustrating that I know they have no idea of how conditions were in Russia when they had the revolution. I have completely quit talking about it to some of the idiots because I've come to the conclusion that they are just shivering fear junkies and they want to be scared.

613 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:57:58pm

re: #606 jaunte

Sorry I spilled the beans on your #403, bro. I couldn't hold it in any longer.

614 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:57:59pm

re: #606 jaunte

Bunito Musolini was a baker in the village of Corleone, I think.

Hot cross buns, they called him!

615 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:58:46pm

Sigh, why doesn't any of the local libraries carry the New Jedi Order series?!?!
:/

616 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:58:59pm

re: #613 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh no problem, Cato got it earlier.

617 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 7:59:09pm

re: #614 Floral Giraffe

GMTA

618 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:00:17pm

re: #616 jaunte

Oh no problem, Cato got it earlier.

He did? And I missed it? Damn it! Up ding (in spirit) to Cato, then.

619 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:00:54pm

re: #615 Varek Raith

Sigh, why doesn't any of the local libraries carry the New Jedi Order series?!?!
:/

Sorry that you can't read about the Yuzzan Vong getting hit by the Starbuster?

/Star Wars superweapon geekage

620 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:01:08pm

re: #618 Slumbering Behemoth

He did? And I missed it? Damn it! Up ding (in spirit) to Cato, then.

I obviously missed it too.

621 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:01:32pm

re: #613 Slumbering Behemoth

Sorry I spilled the beans on your #403, bro. I couldn't hold it in any longer.

Well I guessed before I got that far down so I didn't cheat.

622 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:02:36pm

re: #619 Dark_Falcon

Sorry that you can't read about the Yuzzan Vong getting hit by the Starbuster?

/Star Wars superweapon geekage

I've read Vector Prime and Dark Tide I and II, after that, NOTHING!
/sigh, don't have the money to buy them, either...
:/

623 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:04:45pm

re: #622 Varek Raith

I've read Vector Prime and Dark Tide I and II, after that, NOTHING!
/sigh, don't have the money to buy them, either...
:/

Check on Ebay. You might be able to find a used copy cheap.

624 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:05:10pm

TA DA!
I am now a member of the 5,000 post club.
Quick, fetch the champagne!

625 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:06:11pm

re: #624 Floral Giraffe

TA DA!
I am now a member of the 5,000 post club.
Quick, fetch the champagne!

Captain Zapp Brannigan: Oh, God, I'm pathetic. Sorry. Just go... You want the rest of the cham-paggin?
Leela: No, and it's pronounced "cham-pain".
Captain Zapp Brannigan: Oh, God, no!

626 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:06:49pm

re: #624 Floral Giraffe

TA DA!
I am now a member of the 5,000 post club.
Quick, fetch the champagne!

Here you are...

[uncorks shaken champagne bottle at Floral Giraffe]

627 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:07:56pm

re: #626 Dark_Falcon

Here you are...

[uncorks shaken champagne bottle at Floral Giraffe]

Nooo, I want to drink it, not bathe in it!
;)

628 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:07:59pm

re: #623 Dark_Falcon

Check on Ebay. You might be able to find a used copy cheap.

...! WTH? That never crossed my mind...
*Varek EPIC DOUBLE ULTIMATE FACEPALM's himself*

629 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:10:07pm

re: #628 Varek Raith

...! WTH? That never crossed my mind...
*Varek EPIC DOUBLE ULTIMATE FACEPALM's himself*

Pssst,
abebooks DOT com
Compare Amazon & Abe prices.
Best way to shop, IMHO.
Ebay's usually a lot more....

630 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:11:41pm

re: #629 Floral Giraffe

Pssst,
abebooks DOT com
Compare Amazon & Abe prices.
Best way to shop, IMHO.
Ebay's usually a lot more...

It's weird, besides through Impulse, I never really buy anything online... I've got this distrust of sites like ebay...though maybe I should change that a bit, hmm?

631 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:13:27pm

re: #630 Varek Raith

It's weird, besides through Impulse, I never really buy anything online... I've got this distrust of sites like ebay...though maybe I should change that a bit, hmm?

Ebay can be a great value, just make sure you check the seller's reputation before bidding.

632 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:13:30pm

Okay, to get over my...foolishness?. Even more foolishness! :)

TODAI WILL BE DAI LONG REMEMBERD. IT HAS SEEN TEH DEATH OV KINOBEE, AN SOON TEH FALL OV TEH REBELYN.

633 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:14:28pm

re: #630 Varek Raith

You just need to spend the 3 minutes it takes, to compare prices. I buy antiquarian/hard to find/ very obscure books, and when a goodie comes up on Ebay, I check Amazon & Abe, usually find it for a reasonable price (Hey, it's $20, I'll buy that!) but sometimes not. You just have to take the time to price compare, where you can.

634 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:15:20pm

re: #633 Floral Giraffe

re: #631 Dark_Falcon

Thanks! Now if I could only find those Babylon 5 books...yeah, right. ;)

635 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:15:27pm

re: #633 Floral Giraffe

Hi, what type of hard to find books do you like?

636 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:16:37pm

re: #635 prairiefire

Hi, what type of hard to find books do you like?

Books on Flowers, more than that, I don't want to say "in public".

637 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:19:42pm

re: #632 Varek Raith

Okay, to get over my...foolishness?. Even more foolishness! :)

TODAI WILL BE DAI LONG REMEMBERD. IT HAS SEEN TEH DEATH OV KINOBEE, AN SOON TEH FALL OV TEH REBELYN.

Nice, but how do you get a cat to wear a Darth Vader helmet? Most cats dislike any form of hat.

638 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:21:07pm

Good thread tonight. If nothing else we proved it's not that easy to get bounced from LGF. 'Nite, all.

639 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:21:44pm

re: #636 Floral Giraffe

Okey doke. My step-mom likes out of print books on gardening.
Now I'm even more intrigued. Nevermind~ ; )

640 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:22:17pm

re: #638 Decatur Deb

Good night, Decatur Deb.

641 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:22:42pm

re: #636 Floral Giraffe

Books on Flowers, more than that, I don't want to say "in public".

You're not fooling anyone with that so called "secrecy", you know. It's obvious to everyone here that you also like books on giraffes.

642 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:23:00pm

re: #634 Varek Raith

re: #631 Dark_Falcon

Thanks! Now if I could only find those Babylon 5 books...yeah, right. ;)

Amazon has almost everything, but they charge a fixed rate in shipping. Some of the sellers modify prices to reflect that.

643 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:25:13pm

All right, now I've watched the Dave Chappelle Player Haters clip where they go back in time.

Always cheers me up.

644 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:28:23pm

re: #641 Slumbering Behemoth

You're not fooling anyone with that so called "secrecy", you know. It's obvious to everyone here that you also like books on giraffes.

Putting your neck out, on that one?
LOL!

645 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:32:08pm

re: #639 prairiefire

Find out what kind of gardening books she likes, go to Abe & type in "zinnia" or whatever. You will be amazed. Many Abe sellers also list on Amazon, but their prices vary. I like to see what pops up on Ebay, and then go check the price elsewhere. I have built a library I am very proud of. Probably have 12 books waiting to be read. It's fun!

646 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:35:10pm

re: #645 Floral Giraffe

Here's a good little history:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

647 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:37:39pm

re: #645 Floral Giraffe

Thanks. I've been enjoying the Amis books I ordered over Christmas.

648 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:40:06pm

re: #646 jaunte

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

LOL!
I like the "tall blondes" one too!
I'm not tall, but I was a bottle blonde for many years!
Have you read the book you linked?
Is it any good?

649 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:43:18pm

re: #648 Floral Giraffe

I have, it's interesting. You can probably find it used for the price of shipping.
I last saw a copy in a room at the Hotel Giraffe in New York.

650 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:52:39pm

re: #584 lrsshadow

Well I guess I win the debate by default as Cato is unwilling to even debate.

Another dog with all bark no bite.

Heh, you twiat. I was down for the last hour or so trying to get Comcast (which, if it were a species, I would put on the ought-to-be-exterminated list) to get my modem working again.

So, you really want to debate?

What rules? Debate team? Forensic? Presidential? Scratch that last, those aren't debates and the wusses that run them never enforce the rules.

Tell you what, you nominate the topic, I'll set the rules. To apply to both sides.

But since the thing you started off with was whether the term "left-wing" applies to the Nazis - something, as I mentioned, about which I know more than a smidgen - wouldn't that make the most sense?

Anyone who wants to hang around can watch and ding up or down as desired.

651 The Left  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:53:33pm

re: #650 Cato the Elder

Oooh, this is gonna be gooood.

652 ryannon  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:55:15pm

re: #509 lrsshadow

oh all I am saying is that those who have made the transition from labeling the Nazi party as a Totalitarian party to a Fascism Party to a Right wing political party are the revisionist of history.

It is just as wrong to assert that nazism belongs on the right as it is to assert it belongs on the left. I have not found nor has anyone supplied me with any historian who argued that the nazism belongs on the right other then those modern scholars.

Those like Shirer never placed Nazism in the category of right wing and it can be argued there are few who are more respected when it comes to Nazi history.

Ok, ok! So Nazism was just a middle-of-the-road political party. Can we give it a rest now?

653 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 8:56:24pm

For the sake of the historical record, here's my revised "Balls" marching song, sans the personal insult to Buck that no doubt got it deleted. I trust insults directed at Beck, Limbaugh, Gibson and Schlussel, public figures all, will not offend.

WWII marching song, sung to the tune of "The Colonel Bogey March":

Hitler
Has only one big ball.
Goering
Has two but very small.
Himmler
Is mighty simmler
And poor Goe-balls
Has no balls
At all.

Now to revise it:

Glenn Beck
Has only one big ball.
Limbaugh
Has two but very small.
Gibson
Has little nibs on.
And Debbie Schluss-all's
Ain't real balls at all.

654 Cato the Elder  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:04:30pm

re: #509 lrsshadow

It is just as wrong to assert that nazism belongs on the right as it is to assert it belongs on the left. I have not found nor has anyone supplied me with any historian who argued that the nazism belongs on the right other then those modern scholars.

Since Nazism is a modern phenomenon, I am at a loss to know how you distinguish among its scholars by calling some "modern".

The others are Classical or Romantic, perhaps?

655 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:15:27pm

re: #650 Cato the Elder

Cage match! Two people enter one leaves! Or are we doing a Jello fight?

656 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 9:54:19pm

This is the quietest debate I've heard in ages.

657 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:20:39pm

re: #656 jaunte

This is the quietest debate I've heard in ages.

Is not.
/

658 jaunte  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:23:54pm

re: #657 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to debate unless you've paid.

659 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 10:37:17pm

re: #658 jaunte

Yes! But I've already paid.

660 Lidane  Sat, Jan 23, 2010 11:07:47pm

re: #532 albusteve

at seven I was deep into Curious George

At seven, I was watching Carl Sagan's Cosmos series on PBS and had been reading out loud from the encyclopedia since kindergarten.

/nerdy girl

re: #533 Varek Raith

I was 8 during the first Gulf War

Thanks a lot for making me feel old. I was a senior in high school that year. Sheesh.

661 claire  Sun, Jan 24, 2010 11:27:26am

‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless ... almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’.

George Orwell

662 Sacred Plants  Mon, Jan 25, 2010 9:35:17am

re: #95 Cato the Elder

Note that Beck - whose name is almost enough to put me off a really decent brand of German beer - describes what he's doing as revealing “the true unseen history of Marxism, progressivism and communism”.

Apparently he has found out that with enough beer everything is all the same. Which reminds me, that there is a punk band which appeared under the name Becks Pistols until the brewery sued, but could not silence them:

Youtube Video
663 postmodernmike  Mon, Jan 25, 2010 11:58:15am

At some point, the self-loathing Mr. Beck will stand up, pull out a gun, put it in his mouth and pull the trigger. It's written all over his face.

664 swizzcheez  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 6:06:50pm

re: #7 Varek Raith

Any relationship between Beck's mind and reality is purely coincidental.


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