a family feud between talking heads...good entertainment

I have to say that I think this is a "nontroversy." I listened to Rush for many years and he has never said anything remotely anti-Israel or anti-Semitic.

There are so many real and dangerous anti-Semites around, Abe Foxman doesn't need to look for them in Rush's closet.

Rush Limbaugh joins Glen Beck on the Failboat cruise. His logic was poor and was basically a dogwhistle.

BTW I no longer listen to Rush because he has become lame and boring. But I do not think he is anywhere remotely close to being an anti-Semite.

Very silly indeed.

Rush wasn't MAKING the statement. He was EXPLAINING what President Obama was doing. Blaming the "bankers" as a code word for blaming the "Jews".

Perhaps the President was seeking solace by prayer with Rev. Wright. The one he threw under the bus with Professor Ayres. Both of whom, interestingly enough, seem to have spent at lease one night a piece in our national home, The White House.

Rush is most definitely NOT an anti-Semite. Foxman is wrong on this one.

re: #5 pragmatist

Very silly indeed.

Rush wasn't MAKING the statement. He was EXPLAINING what President Obama was doing. Blaming the "bankers" as a code word for blaming the "Jews".

Perhaps the President was seeking solace by prayer with Rev. Wright. The one he threw under the bus with Professor Ayres. Both of whom, interestingly enough, seem to have spent at lease one night a piece in our national home, The White House.

Rush is most definitely NOT an anti-Semite. Foxman is wrong on this one.

Ayers and Wright were never invited to the White House.

Oi vey...

re: #5 pragmatist

Very silly indeed.

Rush wasn't MAKING the statement. He was EXPLAINING what President Obama was doing. Blaming the "bankers" as a code word for blaming the "Jews".

Perhaps the President was seeking solace by prayer with Rev. Wright. The one he threw under the bus with Professor Ayres. Both of whom, interestingly enough, seem to have spent at lease one night a piece in our national home, The White House.

Rush is most definitely NOT an anti-Semite. Foxman is wrong on this one.

Yes how dare those people exercise their god given right as American citizens to visit the white house!

re: #5 pragmatist

Very silly indeed.

Rush wasn't MAKING the statement. He was EXPLAINING what President Obama was doing. Blaming the "bankers" as a code word for blaming the "Jews".

Perhaps the President was seeking solace by prayer with Rev. Wright. The one he threw under the bus with Professor Ayres. Both of whom, interestingly enough, seem to have spent at lease one night a piece in our national home, The White House.

Rush is most definitely NOT an anti-Semite. Foxman is wrong on this one.

he's a world serious dope...Rush cannot be taken seriously so often, it's best just to toss him on the junk heap

re: #5 pragmatist

Both of whom, interestingly enough, seem to have spent at lease one night a piece in our national home, The White House.

That is a lie. Debunked back in October. The visitors on the WH guest logs were not the same Jeremiah Wright, not the same William Ayers.
Just like the Michael Jordon, Michael Moore, and others on those logs are not the ones you're thinking of.
This hasn't stopped Andrew Breitbart from resurrecting this lie and pushing it within the last month, though.

re: #2 Alouette

well he just did, I guess.

Even if its stupid (maybe BECAUSE its stupid), I love the chutzpah thing.

Anyhoo, its kinda like what Steve said, you can't take anything rush says seriously. He's an entertainer first, a nut second, and a commentator third.

re: #11 windsagio

well he just did, I guess.

Even if its stupid (maybe BECAUSE its stupid), I love the chutzpah thing.

Anyhoo, its kinda like what Steve said, you can't take anything rush says seriously. He's an entertainer first, a nut second, and a commentator third.

and a billionair fourth...yeehaa!

re: #5 pragmatist

Let me repost from last time we talked about this:

It was very stupid and assholish to Jews in two ways: First of all, it's an accusation against Obama that he's using 'the bankers' to mean 'The Jews'-- while simultaneously Rush is endorsing the stereotype, when he immediately says a lot of the people on Wall Street are Jewish.

Second of all, the bit about 'buyer's remorse' again requires that you believe Rush in that Obama meant 'the Jews' by talking about bankers, and second that Jews, as a block, look to Obama first and foremost as Jews, not as Americans. And the 'buyer's remorse' certainly plays into the "Jewish banker who controls politics" libel.

There are people who use 'the bankers' to mean 'the Jews'. Ron Paulites, often. But to imply that Jews are automatically worried or offended by negative comments about bankers is, in fact, stupid and racist. ANd that's what you get from what Rush said, once you strip out all the fluff. It goes something like:

Obama is going after the bankers. Some people, racists, strongly associate Jews with bankers. And of course, a lot of Jews are bankers (which kind of makes me a racist, based on what I just said). A lot of Jews voted for Obama. Since Obama is going after the bankers, Jews must be feeling buyer's remorse.

Oh that Rush. What a card.

re: #2 Alouette

I have to say that I think this is a "nontroversy." I listened to Rush for many years and he has never said anything remotely anti-Israel or anti-Semitic.

There are so many real and dangerous anti-Semites around, Abe Foxman doesn't need to look for them in Rush's closet.

So he just tried to infer that Obama is an anti-Semite. That is the controversy for me. He uses race and religion as his weapons of mass division.

LIMBAUGH: If you have often wondered just out of, you know, a legitimately curious political sense -- if you have asked yourself why are so many Jewish people, liberal, what when it seemed so much of what liberals do would be anathema to Jewish people, particularly abortion, but any number of things -- taxes, tax increase. Look it -- you know something, folks?

There are a lot of people, when you say banker, people think Jewish. People who have prejudice, people who have, you know -- what's the best way to say -- a little prejudice about them. To some people, bankers -- code word for Jewish -- and guess who Obama's assaulting? He's assaulting bankers. He's assaulting money people. And a lot of those people on Wall Street are Jewish. So I wonder if there's starting to be some buyer's remorse there.

So he's saying he agrees with the stereotype, and wonders if those people shouldn't have buyer's remorse.

Sorry Charles, as it stands, I disagree. I still need find Rush's Wall Street Banker comments. I usually disagree with Abe Foxman. Thank you however for being vigilant.

Am tempted to ask you of your opinion on Ethan Bronner's article in tomorrow's NYTimes. I am not familiar with Bronner's work.

Feel free and delete my reponse because I feel embarrassed about disagreeing with you for you do great work (and I am frequently foolishly wrong).

re: #13 Obdicut

Let me repost from last time we talked about this:

It was very stupid and assholish to Jews in two ways: First of all, it's an accusation against Obama that he's using 'the bankers' to mean 'The Jews'-- while simultaneously Rush is endorsing the stereotype, when he immediately says a lot of the people on Wall Street are Jewish.

Second of all, the bit about 'buyer's remorse' again requires that you believe Rush in that Obama meant 'the Jews' by talking about bankers, and second that Jews, as a block, look to Obama first and foremost as Jews, not as Americans. And the 'buyer's remorse' certainly plays into the "Jewish banker who controls politics" libel.

There are people who use 'the bankers' to mean 'the Jews'. Ron Paulites, often. But to imply that Jews are automatically worried or offended by negative comments about bankers is, in fact, stupid and racist. ANd that's what you get from what Rush said, once you strip out all the fluff. It goes something like:

Obama is going after the bankers. Some people, racists, strongly associate Jews with bankers. And of course, a lot of Jews are bankers (which kind of makes me a racist, based on what I just said). A lot of Jews voted for Obama. Since Obama is going after the bankers, Jews must be feeling buyer's remorse.

Oh that Rush. What a card.

Quite Concur.

re: #12 albusteve

The dude has sold tons of Gold Coins and whateverthehellelse they sell on talk radio these days. Nobody can say he's a dummy :p

If you recall, back when Rush was calling Obama a Nazi he was contrasting how the Nazis hated Jewish Capitalism and that Obama probably hated Jewish Capitalism too. Someone please help me, WTF is Jewish Capitalism?

re: #19 trendsurfer

If you recall, back when Rush was calling Obama a Nazi he was contrasting how the Nazis hated Jewish Capitalism and that Obama probably hated Jewish Capitalism too. Someone please help me, WTF is Jewish Capitalism?

Its a lot like regular capatalisim except that the stock market doesn't trade on Saturday's and the sky scrapers aren't quite as pointy up top...

re: #19 trendsurfer

If you recall, back when Rush was calling Obama a Nazi he was contrasting how the Nazis hated Jewish Capitalism and that Obama probably hated Jewish Capitalism too. Someone please help me, WTF is Jewish Capitalism?

Jewish Capitalism is the reason Communists are Jew haters.

Jewish Communism is the reason anti-Communists are Jew haters.

Get it?

re: #19 trendsurfer

If you recall, back when Rush was calling Obama a Nazi he was contrasting how the Nazis hated Jewish Capitalism and that Obama probably hated Jewish Capitalism too. Someone please help me, WTF is Jewish Capitalism?

Capitalism that gives you grief for not calling enough?

(Forgive me.)

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

do you save all your posts?

For what I've heard, a recap of the week has Rush telling his audience that Obama hates the Constitution and Obama hates Jews.

So remember folks, Obama is a marxist just like the nazis were.

re: #19 trendsurfer

lol who would downding that?

I like James answer better, but I'm gonna give mine anyways.

Its bad to hate capitalism, and its bad to hate jews. Therefore, hating both together must be waaay worse >

The ADL has become a joke. Rush is one of the biggest supporters of Israel in the media and Foxman knows it. He is using Rush's popularity to raise his own. Pathetic.

I have listened to Rush for a long time. He introduced me to LGF. Are we really taking Rush out of context and blaming him for something he did not say by a moron like Foxman? I think we are better than that.

I think Abe Foxman's "anti-Semite detector" needs a tuneup.

re: #24 trendsurfer

Well 'national socialist' has the word 'socialist!' in it! And they're bad! Therefore they must love communism!

/I wish that wasn't an argument I'd heard about a million times :(

re: #26 BSM Engineer

re: #27 Alouette

Theres a sense in this thread (and that one the other day): "If I mostly agree with someone they can't be anti-semitic, but if I don't agree with them, they must be super anti-semitic."

re: #4 Alouette

But I do not think he is anywhere remotely close to being an anti-Semite.

Maybe. However, Limbaugh is an opportunist, and he has shown he will exploit pretty much anything (e.g., the quake in Haiti) that gets his audience all hot and bothered.

re: #16 Stuart Leviton

I still need find Rush's Wall Street Banker comments.

The audio and transcript are available at media matters:

re: #30 freetoken

thats the key, of course. If it sells more ads, he'll do it.

A perfect capitalist in some ways :)

re: #26 BSM Engineer

Only because Rush and his ilk need Israel to help jumpstart Armageddon for Jesus' second coming. And man is Jesus gonna kick ass.

HELLO, JONATHAN DEE?

re: #33 trendsurfer

Only because Rush and his ilk need Israel to help jumpstart Armageddon for Jesus' second coming. And man is Jesus gonna kick ass.

Passion of the Christ 2, Crucify This!

re: #35 jamesfirecat

Have some respect.

re: #23 albusteve

do you save all your posts?

No, I don't. Did I do something wrong?

re: #36 MandyManners

Have some respect.

Would it have been okay if I'd made a Gandhi 2 joke instead then?

Here's the clip where Rush refers to "Jewish Capitalism".

re: #36 MandyManners

-for humorless and hypersensitive :p

I think Christ can take a ribbing and be okay >>

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

No, I don't. Did I do something wrong?

I was asking that other guy...bad foo

re: #36 MandyManners

Have some respect.

For religious symbols?

re: #29 windsagio

re: #27 Alouette

Theres a sense in this thread (and that one the other day): "If I mostly agree with someone they can't be anti-semitic, but if I don't agree with them, they must be super anti-semitic."

The fact that a person is anti-Semitic or not has nothing to do with whether I agree with that person, although I do tend to not agree with people who are anti-Semites.

The fact is there are many Jews who enjoy Rush, and he has always been pro-Israel.

re: #38 jamesfirecat

Would it have been okay if I'd made a Gandhi 2 joke instead then?

Is there such a film?

re: #29 windsagio

Not at all. Being blind to what someone thinks just because you like them is how Obama got elected in the first place. Rush talks about things as he sees them and is not concerned about the PCness of his comments. When you listen to the totality of what he says, not just a snippet, you get to know the guy pretty well. He is not anti-semitic. He illustrates absurdity with absurdity at times. But he is not anti-semitic.

While Rush is annoying... I kinda doubt he's an anti-semite. He's most definitely engaged in race baiting and he's said some really stupid stuff over the years but anti-semite? Not so much.

I think Foxman tends to be a little overzealous when it comes to leveling charges of anti-semitism. I can't blame him for being zealous considering the Jewish experience however. Limbaugh is no Jeff Rense though... at least I don't think.

re: #32 windsagio

thats the key, of course. If it sells more ads, he'll do it.

A perfect capitalist in some ways :)

Yes, that is the key.

Someone here has already claimed that "Rush is one of the biggest supporters of Israel in the media..."; however, what is not discerned is the need for a radio program star to have a persona.

I'm convinced that anything Rush says on the air has nothing to do with anything other than building his audience. If there is a potential crowd of bigots out there, Limbaugh will cater to them as he knows that the way a personality keeps their fans is by having the fans identify with the personality.

re: #44 MandyManners

Is there such a film?

We can only hope...

re: #43 Alouette

Well he certainly said something anti-semitic this time. I just can't get how you, and especially BSM can't accept that statement for what it is.

re: #45 BSM ENGINEER

Rush talks about things as he sees them ...

In the parlance of Vince McMahon, you would be referred to as a "mark".

re: #50 windsagio

Well he certainly said something anti-semitic this time. I just can't get how you, and especially BSM can't accept that statement for what it is.

My anti-Semite detector works just fine.

From the Politico article linked above:

Rush Limbaugh responded in his own voice on his show today, saying the context of his original remarks about Wall Street and Obama made clear that he was referring to the views of bigots, not to his own views.

That's the easy way out isn't it. Rush telling his audience again, what Obama thinks.

re: #47 MandyManners

Dittos Mandy

Rush can even make this thread come unglued. He has some tough mojo!!

re: #29 windsagio

re: #27 Alouette

Theres a sense in this thread (and that one the other day): "If I mostly agree with someone they can't be anti-semitic, but if I don't agree with them, they must be super anti-semitic."

Ergo Abraham Foxman must be a super-anti-semite.

Analysing his statement, he says:
1) For "some people" the word "banker" really means "Jew".
2) Barack Obama has been attacking bankers.
3) Therefore, "some people" believe he has been attacking Jews.
4) Also, lots of bankers and "money people" are Jews, so he has been attacking a number of people who are actually, although incidentally, Jewish.
As a consequence of this:
5) Jews who formerly supported Barack Obama may now regret having done so.

So you have two arguments. The first only makes sense if the "some people" who equate bankers and Jews are actually Barack Obama's Jewish supporters. It says "Some of Barack Obama's Jewish supporters equate Jews and bankers, and his attacks on bankers should make them regret supporting him." I think this is a stupid argument and probably a false one. The second argument is "Many bankers are Jews, and his attacks on bankers should make them regret supporting him." This argument is tendentious - surely it would apply to non-Jewish bankers as much as Jewish ones.

Each argument implicitly assumes that people (including Jews) think that Jews are typically bankers and "money people". He doesn't say whether they're right to do so, but I don't think he's make this argument if he didn't think so himself. So at best he's making a really confused, easily dismissed argument that buys into a negative stereotype. At worst, it's the sort of argument an antisemite would use - although I don't believe either argument is antisemitic per se.

re: #54 BSM ENGINEER

lol wut? Do you even know what she was mad about?

Hint: It had nothing to do with Rush, silly!

re: #41 albusteve

I was asking that other guy...bad foo

No problem, thanks for the clarification.

To truly understand America I'm convinced one has to understand how Vince McMahon came to be worth about a quarter of a billion dollars.

Limbaugh probably could have been even richer... if he hadn't so many divorces.

I do not personally know any Jews who are bankers. I do know some diamond dealers, though.

I remember an ad for Bank Leumi (Israel National Bank) many years ago:

"You may have a friend at Chase Manhattan, but here you have mishpocha (family)!"

re: #54 BSM ENGINEER

And you're trolling. Knock it off with the snark and insults.

re: #59 freetoken

also his bad habit of occasionally letting something slip.

See: His NFL career (such as it was).

He's excellent at reading his core audience, but gets in trouble occasionally, especially in the day and age where everyone is watching everyone else

re: #2 Alouette

I have to say that I think this is a "nontroversy." I listened to Rush for many years and he has never said anything remotely anti-Israel or anti-Semitic.

There are so many real and dangerous anti-Semites around, Abe Foxman doesn't need to look for them in Rush's closet.

I read the quotes on Goldblog, and I have to say, I wasn't happy with them.

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

I think he's less a troll, more 'the last of the Dittoheads'.

Rush is a clown. He's been a clown since way before Glenn Beck realized he too can get filthy rich being a clown.

I find it hard to take clowns too seriously. Yeah I know, some people do - thats their problem.

Zedushka still loves Rush.

re: #26 BSM Engineer

Yes, not even bothering to take him out of context, but rather just pretending that his words mean something he did not mean. Ben Smith should be ashamed. Rush was explaining why the book, Why jews are liberals' is a must read. Those that target banks and wall street are possibly to some extent targeting jews.

The smear game works. Did Ben Smith not know why Rush said what he said? Or did he know and pretend not to? Either way Politico loses my respect.

re: #47 MandyManners

Shouldn't you add a Bible verse with that even keel? I think that's what Jesus would do.

re: #64 windsagio

Finally, something you and I can agree with.

Good night all. Have a great day tomorrow.

Getting a lot of long-time lurkers, first-time posters on this thread.

re: #67 williwonka

... or maybe not quite the

Last

of 'em.

Kinda scary how people nobody's ever heard of come out of the woodwork to defend Mr. Limbaugh.

re: #68 trendsurfer

Shouldn't you add a Bible verse with that even keel? I think that's what Jesus would do.

[Video]

Yeah Family Guy is what inspired me to make that joke in the first place, what with this and all...

Some further context into Rush's statement: Rush wonders if "Jewish liberals" are "experiencing buyer's remorse" about Obama

LIMBAUGH: Scott Brown had a lot of success with independents, and that's -- that's what Jewish liberals like to call themselves when they're asked. They call themselves independents before they'll refer to themselves as -- as liberals. So if Jewish people who voted 78 percent for Obama -- which is far higher than any other group except African-Americans -- if Jewish people gave Obama 78 percent of their vote, what if they're experiencing buyer's remorse like all these people in Massachusetts did? Do you realize how important this could be? I don't think there's buyer's remorse yet in the black community -- that's still pretty strong.

Rush now links to Alex Jones (as does Drudge). The times are changing.

I am not particularly religious - I have not participated in organized religion in over 20 years. But I do try to demonstrate respect for other people's spiritual beliefs.

It's just common courtesy.

re: #71 windsagio

Sorry Bro. Been a Lizard for several years now.

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Some further context into Rush's statement: Rush wonders if "Jewish liberals" are "experiencing buyer's remorse" about Obama

Rush now links to Alex Jones (as does Drudge). The times are changing.

Alex Jones is an out-and-out anti-Semite and a Troofer.

re: #19 trendsurfer

If you recall, back when Rush was calling Obama a Nazi he was contrasting how the Nazis hated Jewish Capitalism and that Obama probably hated Jewish Capitalism too. Someone please help me, WTF is Jewish Capitalism?

Capitalism as practiced by Jews. It's different from normal capitalism, because when we get rich off of it, it's probably not totally fair to Gentiles who also try hard and are entitled to succeed too, and also, we persist in voting Democrat generation after generation, thereby proving that we don't fully understand capitalism, even while some of us have proven to be good at it.

It's also semi-unique in that concerns about Jewish Capitalists often seem to bring together people from various parts of the political spectrum, some of whom you might suppose would appreciate seeing capitalism well-executed, but apparently not so much when it's by Jews, on account we're eeelites.

///not so much

re: #70 Alouette

Getting a lot of long-time lurkers, first-time posters on this thread.

Infrequent poster would be more accurate. Both of those guys have over 50 posts and williwonka has over 100.

re: #74 Racer X

Theres levels man. Theres a line between 'respecting others beliefs' (ie not calling people in another religion 'Fools'), and having a little fun at nobody's expense.

Especially when people tend to use their religion (whatever it is) as a bludgeon constantly in discussion. These kind of things go both ways.

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Some further context into Rush's statement: Rush wonders if "Jewish liberals" are "experiencing buyer's remorse" about Obama

Rush now links to Alex Jones (as does Drudge). The times are changing.

Like I said, Rush was blowing a dogwhistle. He seems to have decided to court the 'bigoted asshole' demographic.

re: #74 Racer X

I am not particularly religious - I have not participated in organized religion in over 20 years. But I do try to demonstrate respect for other people's spiritual beliefs.

It's just common courtesy.

Last time I checked Christianity isn't the religion where satirical representation of its most important figure is a major no-no...

re: #54 BSM ENGINEER

Dittos Mandy

Rush can even make this thread come unglued. He has some tough mojo!!

"Dittos"?

re: #75 BSM ENGINEER

I looked at your profile :p

Its not really important, except I'm curious as to why you decided to post in this thread... It looks like its been a while, was it just time?

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

Maybe thats his reading of the "Conservative collapse" of the last 2 years. If he feels like he's losing his old demo, he might strongly focus on the core, rob listeners from the Beck/Coast to Coast types.

re: #66 Alouette

Zedushka still loves Rush.

There is a spot.

I have to turn in now, getting up early to go to the airport. I'll have my laptop with me in LA.

re: #39 trendsurfer

Here's the clip where Rush refers to "Jewish Capitalism".

"They were insanely, irrationally against pollution."

Clearly, non-fascists should pollute.

Do you realize that there's some kid working for Rush who's been assigned to read a whole bunch of books on the Nazis and highlight everything that sounds vaguely like something a modern American liberal might get behind?

I hope she's being paid well.

re: #45 BSM ENGINEER

Not at all. Being blind to what someone thinks just because you like them is how Obama got elected in the first place. Rush talks about things as he sees them and is not concerned about the PCness of his comments. When you listen to the totality of what he says, not just a snippet, you get to know the guy pretty well. He is not anti-semitic. He illustrates absurdity with absurdity at times. But he is not anti-semitic.

You listen to the clip where he describes Democrats as taking their agenda straight from the Nazi playbook? Will that sound better if I get to know the guy better?

re: #79 windsagio

These kind of things go both ways.

True.

There is no need to fuel the fire just for kicks either. I ignore quite a bit just because - uh, what's the saying?

Don't sweat the petty things.
(and don't pet the sweaty things)

re: #48 freetoken

Yes, that is the key.

Someone here has already claimed that "Rush is one of the biggest supporters of Israel in the media..."; however, what is not discerned is the need for a radio program star to have a persona.

I'm convinced that anything Rush says on the air has nothing to do with anything other than building his audience. If there is a potential crowd of bigots out there, Limbaugh will cater to them as he knows that the way a personality keeps their fans is by having the fans identify with the personality.

Can someone provide me with examples of Rush's support of Israel? Is it something he knows jack about, or is he just following the herd?

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

"They were insanely, irrationally against pollution."

Clearly, non-fascists should pollute.

Do you realize that there's some kid working for Rush who's been assigned to read a whole bunch of books on the Nazis and highlight everything that sounds vaguely like something a modern American liberal might get behind?

I hope she's being paid well.

Hopefully only a little bit less than whatever poor sap works for the Daily Show and hast to listen to everything Rush and the Fox network says so that Jon has material ready...

re: #19 trendsurfer

If you recall, back when Rush was calling Obama a Nazi he was contrasting how the Nazis hated Jewish Capitalism and that Obama probably hated Jewish Capitalism too. Someone please help me, WTF is Jewish Capitalism?

Not easy, but I certainly see Israeli Capitalism.

Two books really drive home the point. The Israel Test and Start-up Nation.

It is really interesting to me that we will give Danny Glover the benefit of the doubt (when he is less than clear), but jump on Rush (despite a long history of being a supporter of Israel, and zionism) if there is even a hint.

re: #76 Alouette

Alex Jones is an out-and-out anti-Semite and a Troofer.

Yeah. I think this goes along with the rise of Ron Paul, The Birch Society and the Tea Parties. Rush is pandering to the new right wing movement. I expect to see more of this sort of thing. I wouldn't be surprised to see Alex Jones being more accepted as mainstream or the right. It's already happening. Lots of talk about the New World Order on Fox and Drudge.

re: #88 Racer X

Well, I dunno. I would take the original joke not as 'fuelling the fire', but rather as just 'trying to be funny'. The response was the part that was needlessly incendiary.

In most settings nobody would have blinked at that joke.

re: #91 Buck

Not easy, but I certainly see Israeli Capitalism.

Two books really drive home the point. The Israel Test and Start-up Nation.

It is really interesting to me that we will give Danny Glover the benefit of the doubt (when he is less than clear), but jump on Rush (despite a long history of being a supporter of Israel, and zionism) if there is even a hint.

Give me examples. Rush supports Israel how? And no, wanting to blow up Iran actually isn't an example of support for Israel--Rush would want to do that regardless.

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re: #91 Buck

Not easy, but I certainly see Israeli Capitalism.

Two books really drive home the point. The Israel Test and Start-up Nation.

It is really interesting to me that we will give Danny Glover the benefit of the doubt (when he is less than clear), but jump on Rush (despite a long history of being a supporter of Israel, and zionism) if there is even a hint.

To answer you respectfully:

1. We didn't give Glover the benefit of the doubt. All that happened was that Charles points out what Glover had actually been saying, which was still an attempt to politicize a disaster relief operation.

2. Rush has been increasingly catering to the loonies lately. He's been caught saying racist things repeatedly their last 6 months. This is another step on his road to Wingnut Hell.

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I don't know whether Rush himself is antisemitic. I had to read his lines in question several times and what he does is using antisemitic stereotypes in a very twisted, weasel-wordish cowardly way to smear opponents he does not dare to attack openly.

I don't get it.

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

I wonder if he's actually right to go that way? (from a business, not a moral sense)

I'm sorry, but I just don't see Rush Limbaugh as an Anti-Semite.

re: #98 Mark Winter

That kind of behavior is actually really revealing. Everybody hides their unpopular ideas, but the terms you use to denigrate someone generally are a good hint as to what you don't like.

re: #101 PaxAmericana

Why not? Explain.

re: #95 Racer X

Man, this is just beautiful!

And, it's on SALE.
(Can't imagine why that'd be a markdown!)

LOL!
You getting one?

re: #91 Buck

Not easy, but I certainly see Israeli Capitalism.

Two books really drive home the point. The Israel Test and Start-up Nation.

It is really interesting to me that we will give Danny Glover the benefit of the doubt (when he is less than clear), but jump on Rush (despite a long history of being a supporter of Israel, and zionism) if there is even a hint.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Glover accepts global warming and in all probability, thinks the incidences of natural disasters is a by product. Now you may think that's crazy, and certainly some do, but it's nothing like the anti-Semitic remarks coming out of Rush. Or has Glover made anti-Semitic remarks?

OK, so if Rush is not an Anti-Semite (or bordering on antisemitism per Mr. Foxman) is it OK for him to accuse Obama of being an anti semite using all the correct buzz-words or slurs?

re: #100 windsagio

I wonder if he's actually right to go that way? (from a business, not a moral sense)

I think it's a bad idea, myself. But he has always sought to align himself with those who like their rhetoric hot and loud. That fits the teabaggers to a tee. [snicker]

re: #42 blueraven

For religious symbols?

Someone needs to remember what their avatar is before they start making demands for other people to 'have respect'.

re: #101 PaxAmericana

I'm sorry, but I just don't see Rush Limbaugh as an Anti-Semite.

He stokes the fires of anti-Semitism. Most people distance themselves from these kinds of remarks for a reason.

re: #104 marjoriemoon

Man, I've gotta admit, I was so confused by that post. I was like "What did Glover say that was anti-semitic? I missed that one!"

So thanks :)

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

Give me examples. Rush supports Israel how? And no, wanting to blow up Iran actually isn't an example of support for Israel--Rush would want to do that regardless.

Broadcast of the Rush Limbaugh radio show, 9 April 1997.

Radio talk-show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, who claims to have an audience of regular listeners numbering in the millions, also frequently treat their audiences to anti-Palestinian, pro-Israeli diatribes. In April 1997, at the height of the crisis sparked by Israel's construction of the 6,500-unit Har Homa settlement in the Jabal Abu Ghunaym section of East Jerusalem, Limbaugh delivered a lengthy monologue on his understanding of the Middle East situation. He had visited Israel four years earlier and met with several Israeli leaders—including Ariel Sharon, who gave him a three hour tour of the West Bank—and only two months previously had been invited by Netanyahu to meet with him in New York during a U.S. trip. As a result of these meetings, Limbaugh, who sympathized with Netanyahu as a fellow conservative, considered himself qualified to educate his audience about the true situation in Israel. Asserting during his radio monologue that Arafat's "ultimate objective … has never changed. It's the elimination of Israel. There are no two ways about it," Limbaugh summed up his view of the peace process as follows: "How in the world you think you can have peace with people who swear to exterminate you is beyond me. And so a peace that seeks to accommodate those enemies is an illusion." Netanyahu, he said, understood this, although the United States did not.

He sounds like a lizard/zionist to me.

re: #98 Mark Winter

I don't know whether Rush himself is antisemitic. I had to read his lines in question several times and what he does is using antisemitic stereotypes in a very twisted, weasel-wordish cowardly way to smear opponents he does not dare to attack openly.

Rush is all about the plausible denialbility. Like freetoken, I think the one thing that can always be counted on is that he'll do what sells.

And like Coulter, and her legion of fans, Rush and his fans will always fall back on the claim of 'it was a joke' whenever necessary.

Over 100! OT--Since it's been a long time since I had the ability to listen to the radio during those hours--

Do you know the most depressing part about being a sci-fi fan?

Realizing that you will never be a kung-fu kicking, genius, time-traveler with great hair. My daughter will never be a monster fighter, not of the literal kind at any rate. My sons will never discover that the family heirloom actually unlocks a portal to other dimensions. (Not that their is a family heirloom, actually.)

The most dangerous thing I will ever do will to be to fail to refrigerate the potato salad.

Sigh.

re: #110 Buck

Broadcast of the Rush Limbaugh radio show, 9 April 1997.

Radio talk-show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, who claims to have an audience of regular listeners numbering in the millions, also frequently treat their audiences to anti-Palestinian, pro-Israeli diatribes. In April 1997, at the height of the crisis sparked by Israel's construction of the 6,500-unit Har Homa settlement in the Jabal Abu Ghunaym section of East Jerusalem, Limbaugh delivered a lengthy monologue on his understanding of the Middle East situation. He had visited Israel four years earlier and met with several Israeli leaders—including Ariel Sharon, who gave him a three hour tour of the West Bank—and only two months previously had been invited by Netanyahu to meet with him in New York during a U.S. trip. As a result of these meetings, Limbaugh, who sympathized with Netanyahu as a fellow conservative, considered himself qualified to educate his audience about the true situation in Israel. Asserting during his radio monologue that Arafat's "ultimate objective … has never changed. It's the elimination of Israel. There are no two ways about it," Limbaugh summed up his view of the peace process as follows: "How in the world you think you can have peace with people who swear to exterminate you is beyond me. And so a peace that seeks to accommodate those enemies is an illusion." Netanyahu, he said, understood this, although the United States did not.

He sounds like a lizard/zionist to me.

He sounds like a guy who know what his team is supposed to say, to me. Ten years ago he went to Israel and talked about how the peace process was bogus? OK.

That's not enough, to me, to provide him with this much cover that every time anyone criticizes him people pop up talking about how much he loooves Israel.

Borderline Antisemitism... Is that like almost pregnant?

Rush does daily red meat shtick (hey, that's Yiddish, stand back, I'm on a roll). I listen occasionally but I think he's a bore.

His job is to be offensive, that's how he makes his living. Why can't we conservatives have a nice, quiet, intelligent radio program like NPR?

bums me out

God-almiughty.

Two cats fucking.

re: #107 Jimmah

Only the "One Right and True Religion" is worthy of respect. We're allowed to piss on Mohammad and Buddha all day.

re: #104 marjoriemoon

You're comparing apples to oranges. Glover accepts global warming and in all probability, thinks the incidences of natural disasters is a by product. Now you may think that's crazy, and certainly some do, but it's nothing like the anti-Semitic remarks coming out of Rush. Or has Glover made anti-Semitic remarks?

I don't think the company line around here was that Glover DID connect GW with the earthquake in Haiti. We gave him the benefit of the doubt (when he was less than clear) that he probably meant that the Caribbean islands will suffer MORE from GW... but not earthquakes.
Glovers statement could have gone either way...

Well before we listen to the whole show, or at least more of the audio, we are quick to label Rush... Again despite many years of support.

re: #116 MandyManners

God-almiughty.

Two cats fucking.

How else are we supposed to get new cats?

re: #102 windsagio

That kind of behavior is actually really revealing. Everybody hides their unpopular ideas, but the terms you use to denigrate someone generally are a good hint as to what you don't like.

re: #101 PaxAmericana

Why not? Explain.

There is a lot of "I cover my ass" in Rush's statement indeed. Very very fishy, and that's why "borderline" describes it very well.

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

How else are we supposed to get new cats?

Prog?

re: #110 Buck

Broadcast of the Rush Limbaugh radio show, 9 April 1997.

Radio talk-show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, who claims to have an audience of regular listeners numbering in the millions, also frequently treat their audiences to anti-Palestinian, pro-Israeli diatribes. In April 1997, at the height of the crisis sparked by Israel's construction of the 6,500-unit Har Homa settlement in the Jabal Abu Ghunaym section of East Jerusalem, Limbaugh delivered a lengthy monologue on his understanding of the Middle East situation. He had visited Israel four years earlier and met with several Israeli leaders—including Ariel Sharon, who gave him a three hour tour of the West Bank—and only two months previously had been invited by Netanyahu to meet with him in New York during a U.S. trip. As a result of these meetings, Limbaugh, who sympathized with Netanyahu as a fellow conservative, considered himself qualified to educate his audience about the true situation in Israel. Asserting during his radio monologue that Arafat's "ultimate objective … has never changed. It's the elimination of Israel. There are no two ways about it," Limbaugh summed up his view of the peace process as follows: "How in the world you think you can have peace with people who swear to exterminate you is beyond me. And so a peace that seeks to accommodate those enemies is an illusion." Netanyahu, he said, understood this, although the United States did not.

He sounds like a lizard/zionist to me.

I'm going to upding you, since your argument is an honest one. I'll answer by pointing out that the broadcast you quote was from 13 years ago. Since Obama's election, many on the right have started to buy into conspiracy theories, many of them heavy on suspicion of Jews. In my opinion, Rush Limbaugh is shifting his rhetoric and topics to meet perceived changes in his audience.

re: #116 MandyManners

The pussy wars!

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

stealing the spinoff that Thanos just posted, maybe we could apply this technology?

re: #116 MandyManners

God-almiughty.

Two cats fucking.

upding to counteract the downdings... because I like you. You're welcome.

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

How else are we supposed to get new cats?

Well, if I ever do become a kung-fu kicking genius, my top-secret lab will make cats that have fangs. And scarlet fur. And take orders...only from me.

re: #118 Buck

I don't think the company line around here was that Glover DID connect GW with the earthquake in Haiti. We gave him the benefit of the doubt (when he was less than clear) that he probably meant that the Caribbean islands will suffer MORE from GW... but not earthquakes.
Glovers statement could have gone either way...

Well before we listen to the whole show, or at least more of the audio, we are quick to label Rush... Again despite many years of support.

Rush Limbaugh is a self-serving, pompous shithead who has made a fortune playing himself on the radio. My opinion of him has been formed over many years, and is hardly dependent on what he said this time.

Danny Glover I have other issues with, dating back to my college years, but I don't even know WHAT he said about Haiti. It was too damn confusing.

re: #117 windsagio

Only the "One Right and True Religion" is worthy of respect. We're allowed to piss on Mohammad and Buddha all day.

And I guess if any moderate muslim folks should register here and they don't happen to like it, the can "go piss up a rope"...

re: #116 MandyManners

God-almiughty.

Two cats fucking.

Thanks for reminding me to post this.

re: #121 MandyManners

Prog?

I don't know what that is, and assume it does not mean 'prog rock' in this case.

re: #116 MandyManners

Mandy, was there a point to that line other than to throw mud at Jimmah and iceweasel?

re: #123 Irenicum

The pussy wars!

LOL!

re: #124 windsagio

stealing the spinoff that Thanos just posted, maybe we could apply this technology?

[Video]

I'm an old-fashioned girl--I think cats are best made by other cats.

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

How else are we supposed to get new cats?

You know - but we don't have to watch, do we?

I'm not sure if Rush is an anti-semite or not - I don't really listen to him and so I can't really judge. He sure apparently thinks Obama is though. I have listened to Obama and I haven't detected any anti-semitism.

The one thing that I can say is that Rush Limbaugh is a loud-mouthed offensive asshole in general. So I already don't like him.

I do know that he's a bigoted fuck from some of his previous comments.

He's in the "I don't really care about this guy as it is" category. If he was an anti-semite as well, it wouldn't add anything extra to my displeasure about the man, because I already can't stand him as it is.

It's sort of like arguing if Pat Robertson really blamed the earthquake on Hatian Voodoo or not? If he didn't (he did), would it make me like him a bit more? Obviously not. He's already lost all credibility with me on all matters as it is. Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh can say tomorrow that Jews are the devil incarnate and it wouldn't make me feel any more upset than I already do about them.

They're both assholes. They can't go much lower than that unless they start murdering people.

re: #97 Racer X

Ahhh... Mac Fandom.

Speaking of which, Apple opened its first store in Frankfurt, Germany today.

Frankfurters appear to be pleased:

The Cult of Steve waxes strongly.

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Some further context into Rush's statement: Rush wonders if "Jewish liberals" are "experiencing buyer's remorse" about Obama

Rush now links to Alex Jones (as does Drudge). The times are changing.

Rush Limbaugh is clearly engaging in guerilla rhetoric or radio once again. His point wasn't to be accurate -- which it wasn't and is based on a wild assumption that Jewish liberals in Massachusetts call themselves independents.

The NJDC arrived at the 78% figure. That was based on national exit polling and not specific to Massachusetts. Gallup indicates that 3.8% of Massachusetts residents identify as being Jewish. Therefore if the 78% were true then and all things were equal then 78% of 3.8% voters that identify as being Jewish voted for Obama or 2.9% in Massachusetts.

He has nothing to substantiate this wild claim. Like I said, I don't think statistics was his point. In the final analysis Rush Limbaugh was engaging in agitprop. He used this wold illogical conclusion to mask his intent to disseminate a wild notion that Obama is a critic of Wall Street, ergo bankers, therefore he wants his listeners to believe that "Obama's motivations are inherently anti-Semitic." Agitprop.

re: #113 EmmmieG

Now, that is not true.
You have unleashed upon the world, free spirits, and I would guess, that they will be well educated ones. In all sorts of fun, obscure knowleges.
Just think of the "damage" your little ones will do! By being more educated, and fun loving, then the rest of the "herd".
You may sit back and laugh with much glee!

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

ok people are downdinging the 'prog' thing.

So somebody must know what it means!

Help a brother out?

re: #135 Summer

And what does your alter ego have to say about Rush? ;)

re: #136 freetoken

Why get a PC, when you can get a slightly better machine for 2.5 times the price?!

re: #138 Floral Giraffe

Now, that is not true.
You have unleashed upon the world, free spirits, and I would guess, that they will be well educated ones. In all sorts of fun, obscure knowleges.
Just think of the "damage" your little ones will do! By being more educated, and fun loving, then the rest of the "herd".
You may sit back and laugh with much glee!

Good point. My sister actually refers to hers as "flying monkeys."

Trust me. The flying monkeys were less dangerous.

re: #134 BruceKelly

You know - but we don't have to watch, do we?

I don't think it's necessary to the process, no. Of course, some people dump water on them to get them to stop, which I think is just mean. If cats hung out in my bedroom and dumped water on me, I would resent it.

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

That's not enough, to me, to provide him with this much cover that every time anyone criticizes him people pop up talking about how much he loooves Israel.

Once again you want volumes. I went back ten years hoping that it would show a history. Not because there was nothing recent.

I did a quick google search ("rush limbaugh" israel palestinian)

I think to label someone with this harsh a brush YOU should have to show a lot more than these out of context lines. Basically using the word Jew in a sentence makes someone an anti-semite.

I have many friends and relatives (jewish) who voted for Obama. I know a few Israelis who supported him. I detect a little buyers remorse. Heck I detect it with code pink and Moore.

re: #141 windsagio

Don't get me wrong... I like Apple's computer offerings, and OSX was at least 10 years ahead of anything Microsoft could offer when it first came out, and still is in some ways.

re: #129 iceweasel

Ceiling Cat Iz Watching U...
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re: #139 windsagio

ok people are downdinging the 'prog' thing.

So somebody must know what it means!

Help a brother out?

It's a word meant to convey 'progressive', which is currently used by every hater on the right to mean "anyone who supported Obama, or fails to hate Obama, and everyone who is center, center left, left, Democrat, or just won't sign on for the Full Metal Wingnut".

It's much favoured by those on the stalker blog.

So, other than fucking cats, what's going on tonight?

re: #147 iceweasel

Thanks!

Speaking of how the terms you use are telling...

re: #139 windsagio

ok people are downdinging the 'prog' thing.

So somebody must know what it means!

Help a brother out?

I have no clue. It's a kind of rock. It's short for 'progressive'. The Google thought I might mean "Prague". None of these are helpful in creating cats.

re: #74 Racer X

I am not particularly religious - I have not participated in organized religion in over 20 years. But I do try to demonstrate respect for other people's spiritual beliefs.

It's just common courtesy.

I try, I really do. It's just, having been an atheist most of my life...well, let's just say I've been told all manner of unpleasant things by people of faith. Still, I do try. :)

re: #134 BruceKelly

You know - but we don't have to watch, do we?

Then you don't have to. Simple, really.

re: #149 windsagio

Thanks!

Speaking of how the terms you use are telling...

Indeed.

re: #145 freetoken

oh don't worry, like I said I agree they're better. The apple price-point just deeply offends me for some reason :p

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

Rush Limbaugh is a self-serving, pompous shithead who has made a fortune playing himself on the radio.

OK, but is he an antisemite? based on the many years...

re: #147 iceweasel

It's a word meant to convey 'progressive', which is currently used by every hater on the right to mean "anyone who supported Obama, or fails to hate Obama, and everyone who is center, center left, left, Democrat, or just won't sign on for the Full Metal Wingnut".

It's much favoured by those on the stalker blog.

Yep. Those assholes were quite full of themselves last night. They got referred to in the FAIL of an NYT article on Charles. They were so proud to be noticed by someone with in a lightyear of relevance that they practically wet themselves.

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

All my friends were huge prog rock fans all thru highschool. And I will say, it could well have something to do with the propagation of cats!

re: #144 Buck

Once again you want volumes. I went back ten years hoping that it would show a history. Not because there was nothing recent.

I did a quick google search ("rush limbaugh" israel palestinian)

I think to label someone with this harsh a brush YOU should have to show a lot more than these out of context lines. Basically using the word Jew in a sentence makes someone an anti-semite.

I have many friends and relatives (jewish) who voted for Obama. I know a few Israelis who supported him. I detect a little buyers remorse. Heck I detect it with code pink and Moore.

I'm not labeling Rush based on this. I don't think he's an anti-Semite. I do think he will do anything to slime Obama.

I ask because I hear this often--Rush is a great supporter of Israel, Rush is an ohev Yisrael. I was curious to see if there was a real history there, because when I searched I did not find much. He mostly just claims that Democrats are bad for Israel when it suits his purposes.

re: #147 iceweasel

It's a word meant to convey 'progressive', which is currently used by every hater on the right to mean "anyone who supported Obama, or fails to hate Obama, and everyone who is center, center left, left, Democrat, or just won't sign on for the Full Metal Wingnut".

It's much favoured by those on the stalker blog.

What's that got to do with cat reproduction?

re: #139 windsagio

ok people are downdinging the 'prog' thing.

So somebody must know what it means!

Help a brother out?

I believe it's been used before as an abbreviation of "Progressive". Doesn't make sense in response to the cat mating discussion, but then, neither does the original introduction of the cat mating comment. I'm used to Mandy making a little more sense than what I'm seeing in this thread...

re: #111 iceweasel

Rush is all about the plausible denialbility. Like freetoken, I think the one thing that can always be counted on is that he'll do what sells.

And like Coulter, and her legion of fans, Rush and his fans will always fall back on the claim of 'it was a joke' whenever necessary.

Rush is the master of weasel talk.

re: #133 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm an old-fashioned girl--I think cats are best made by other cats.

Beauty.

re: #158 SanFranciscoZionist

Absolutely right on the effing nose. Being against Israel is bad, therefore its a good thing to claim about the Democrats.

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

What's that got to do with cat reproduction?

You could say the tom was "progging" his mate. :D

re: #147 iceweasel

It's a word meant to convey 'progressive', which is currently used by every hater on the right to mean "anyone who supported Obama, or fails to hate Obama, and everyone who is center, center left, left, Democrat, or just won't sign on for the Full Metal Wingnut".

It's much favoured by those on the stalker blog.

Full Metal Wingnut? Wasn't Adam Baldwin in that movie?

//

re: #154 windsagio

Let's see, I'm typing on a 20" iMac I bought for myself (as a Christmas present!) in Dec 08. Cost me about $1100 for a 3GB RAM version.

I could have pieced together a PC of about the same specs for a bit less (which I've done before), but it wouldn't have looked as nice. Sure, I could have saved $200 or so, but only if you don't value industrial design.

Furthermore, I'd have had to be using Windows (well, illegally one could use OSX) which to me negates the whole value of $200, by about a factor of 10x.

re: #155 Buck

OK, but is he an antisemite? based on the many years...

Is it OK for Rush to use anti-semetic buzz words to get his point across? (That Obama "might" be anti-semetic?) That's my question.

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

And what does your alter ego have to say about Rush? ;)

She's taking a break right now as I've got tons of work and stuff. =)

I also hear that she's possibly picking out another closet full of stuff for her new job at Fox.

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

How else are we supposed to get new cats?

Cloning...? ;)

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

Mandy, was there a point to that line other than to throw mud at Jimmah and iceweasel?

She was responding to the swipe Jimmah took at her in #107, the natural reaction is often to take a swipe back.

(Not saying either is right or wrong in this case, it seems to be an ongoing conflict.)

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think it's necessary to the process, no. Of course, some people dump water on them to get them to stop, which I think is just mean. If cats hung out in my bedroom and dumped water on me, I would resent it.

Since you're talking about cats and water...

I brought a tom in one day, thinking I'd add him to the pack. My alpha male immediately ran to the door. The tom didn't mess with any of that showy, kitty stuff, like hissing, growling, back up. He just went right for my alpha's throat and brought him down like a lead pipe. Fur flying everywhere. I freaked. I knew I could never pull them apart so I dumped the dog's water dish on them. He scattered immediately, enough to scope him up and throw him back outside. (all over my nice wood floors to boot). Scary!

re: #155 Buck

OK, but is he an antisemite? based on the many years...

Doubt it, although he should know better than to say what he said. I think these quotes are just another whinge about Obama.

Norman is being a schmuck. Foxman is actually to the right of a lot of liberal Jews on Israel - who are open in there contempt of him - and he's a tireless advocate for Jewish and Zionist causes.

Norman's schtick is part of some inane writing coming from the Jewish right these days. You have Norman's book, which is really just a rant, (and Commentary does have some great writers), and Jennifer Rubin's absurd column claming Jews are persecuting Sarah Palin because we don't like rural people. (So much for my Jersey hometown, where Holocaust Survivors live after buying acres of farmland, raising cattle, and buidling developments...but whatever).

There are some good points to make about the knee jerk, beltway liberalism of the Jewish mainstream, but ranting at Abe Foxman for disapproving of Rush Limbaugh seems silly to me. I mean, Rush Limbaugh? Would Norman really want that moron to be the honorary Jew at the Sedar table?

Give me a break.

Personally, my favorite Jewish writer is Leon W. of TNR. He's da man.
Give me a break.

re: #160 LotharBot

I believe it's been used before as an abbreviation of "Progressive". Doesn't make sense in response to the cat mating discussion, but then, neither does the original introduction of the cat mating comment. I'm used to Mandy making a little more sense than what I'm seeing in this thread...

That's because she's referring to the video Jimmah and I made, (linked above) and because she's referring to us and others as 'progs', and she's too chickenshit to come out and say it.

I suspect that, at heart, Rush isn't an anti-Semite. But I have no doubt that he is an opportunist extraordinaire, and if need be, he'll use language friendly to the anti-Semitic crowd if it means he'll get more ratings. It proves merely that he suffers (or should I say enjoys) being an asshole par excellence. Opportunism knows no ideological bounds. It's inherently selfish. Rush exemplifies that.

re: #155 Buck

Rush Limbaugh is an antisemite insofar as it pays.

He reminds me of the old Eastern European saying that any Eastern European will sell you his grandmother. Only a Romanian will deliver. Metaphorically, Rush is a Romanian.

re: #154 windsagio

oh don't worry, like I said I agree they're better. The apple price-point just deeply offends me for some reason :p

Supply
Demand

Apple seems to be doing really well.

re: #166 freetoken

I had a response written, but decided to trash it. No reason to get into the whole mac-pc thing yet again >>

I just don't like 'em :p

re: #173 davesax

Wait, do you mean J-Pod, son of Norman?

re: #12 albusteve

and a billionair fourth...yeehaa!

Except I would say first...

re: #174 iceweasel

That's because she's referring to the video Jimmah and I made, (linked above) and because she's referring to us and others as 'progs', and she's too chickenshit to come out and say it.

And Jimmah was referring to her avatar in order to bait her while she was feeling offended by another poster. You and Jimmah know her hot buttons, so you can not complain when she snaps back at you when you push them.

re: #177 Racer X

Their marketing is goddamn brilliant >>

But I just said I wasn't gonna get into this :p

re: #154 windsagio

oh don't worry, like I said I agree they're better. The apple price-point just deeply offends me for some reason :p

Must...resist urge to...give my opinion on...Macs...Phew! That was teh hard!
;)

re: #179 iceweasel

Sorry Ice, good catch.

I did mean John.

re: #141 windsagio

Why get a PC, when you can get a slightly better machine for 2.5 times the price?!

updinged for forgetting the sarc tag. I'm sure somebody's going to think you were serious and downding ya.

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

How else are we supposed to get new cats?

It always amuses me when people who believe that God designed every detail of the sexual act, including all of the deliciously pleasurable aspects of it, are so offended and disgusted by that process. Even when its just lovely fluffy little kitties.

re: #167 Stanley Sea

Is it OK for Rush to use anti-semetic buzz words to get his point across? (That Obama "might" be anti-semetic?) That's my question.

Was that what he was saying? That Obama was anti-Semitic? I thought he was dissing on all those banker Jews who voted for him and now look what they have.

And promoting the banker Jew stereotype is anti-Semitic enough for me.

re: #181 Bagua

And Jimmah was referring to her avatar in order to bait her while she was feeling offended by another poster. You and Jimmah know her hot buttons, so you can not complain when she snaps back at you when you push them.

The avatar is offensive. Period.
You can find a lovely example of Mandy doing the exact same with the cats fucking comment yesterday, btw. Without any sort of provocation.

BTW, if you can stomach it , check out the last paragraph from Rodan's latest opus over at the stalker blog. He's clearly been drinking, given all the errors that go along with his anti-Muslim hate. If it were a simple comment, I'd understand, but he messes up a headline post rather badly. I won't quote it here, but I will quote Nelson Munz: HA, HA!

re: #173 davesax

and Jennifer Rubin's absurd column claming Jews are persecuting Sarah Palin because we don't like rural people. (So much for my Jersey hometown, where Holocaust Survivors live after buying acres of farmland, raising cattle, and buidling developments...but whatever).

Missed that one.

re: #181 Bagua

Maybe if she didn't have such a sense of entitlement and ownership of the threads in here, it wouldn't be a problem.

re: #184 davesax

Sorry Ice, good catch.

I did mean John.

I updinged you-- I reckoned that-- excellent comment, btw. I just had a minor wha? moment at the start. :-)

re: #190 SanFranciscoZionist

You're lucky.

It was like something out of the Onion.

Weird.

Coyote Found Frozen In Its Tracks

A Silt, Colo., man made an amazing discovery this week: a coyote frozen solid in its tracks, standing upright next to a road near his home.

Seth Wettlin told TheDenverChannel.com that he ran out of gas on the way home Wednesday night and saw the coyote caught in his headlights on a dirt road, south of Silt.

At first, Wettlin thought it was frozen in fear, but upon closer inspection, he found it was literally frozen solid. The dead animal was standing in snow up to its chest, with its tongue hanging out.

re: #187 marjoriemoon

Well, that's how I took it, Obama going against the bankers (I hate typing this) therefore he's going against Jews, therefore, the Jews have buyers remorse. yuck.

re: #192 iceweasel

Thanks Ice. :-) Really appreciate it.

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think it's necessary to the process, no. Of course, some people dump water on them to get them to stop, which I think is just mean. If cats hung out in my bedroom and dumped water on me, I would resent it.

I... I... don't have a response... except, that's so funny.

Methinks the update should be revised to change John Podhoretz to Norman Podhoretz.

re: #181 Bagua

And Jimmah was referring to her avatar in order to bait her while she was feeling offended by another poster. You and Jimmah know her hot buttons, so you can not complain when she snaps back at you when you push them.

I wasn't baiting her. I was making a valid point. It is the height of hypocrisy to be bleating about respect for religion while sporting an avatar of a boy pissing on the name 'Allah'.

If that's a 'hot button' for mandy then that's just too goddamn bad.

re: #31 simoom

The audio and transcript are available at media matters:
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Thank you for posting this. Rush's statement is as shocking, rambling, confused. What is Rush thinking? I think Charles' antennae are as sensitive as ever. My apologies Charles.

I also wonder what was Obama thinking in denouncing Wall Street's recent profits? Our economy is fragile. Does Obama not fully realize he is the President of the United States.

Okay, both my feet are in my mouth. I look like a pretzel. This is a good time to practice Yoga -- as well as to realize that speaking is easy; it is thinking that is difficult.

re: #188 iceweasel

The avatar is offensive. Period.
You can find a lovely example of Mandy doing the exact same with the cats fucking comment yesterday, btw. Without any sort of provocation.

As I said, I'm not taking sides as to who is right or wrong. Rather I'm pointing out that as Jimmah decided to bait Mandy by citing something she presents that he finds offensive, Mandy responds by citing something Jimmah presents that Mandy finds offensive. You then join in and suggest that Mandy is affiliated with the stalkers.

Again, not taking sides, but do not pretend that you two are not baiting Mandy and then complain when she snaps back.

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

That blog is dead to me. I have not even looked at it in months. Don't plan to.

re: #188 iceweasel

The avatar is offensive. Period.
You can find a lovely example of Mandy doing the exact same with the cats fucking comment yesterday, btw. Without any sort of provocation.

Mandy seems to be in a funk lately. I hope she comes around. I miss her liveliness and wit.

I just farted.

In other words, I just made more sense than Rush Limbaugh.

OT, but why would there suddenly be 2 posts in the middle of a thread that were dingproof? random page error?

re: #30 freetoken

Maybe. However, Limbaugh is an opportunist, and he has shown he will exploit pretty much anything (e.g., the quake in Haiti) that gets his audience all hot and bothered.

And Obama isn't, or won't?? Like Rush or hate him, he's not running the country (oh, and Air America went bankrupt).

re: #205 windsagio

Try refreshing the page.

re: #206 Unakite

- for random bizarre mention of "Air America".

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Petty sniping and personal bickering.

Fun!

re: #195 Stanley Sea

Well, that's how I took it, Obama going against the bankers (I hate typing this) therefore he's going against Jews, therefore, the Jews have buyers remorse. yuck.

Ah that's true... I know what you mean about typing it also :(

re: #205 windsagio

OT, but why would there suddenly be 2 posts in the middle of a thread that were dingproof? random page error?

Oh...there's like...eight hundred snarky answers to that.

Maybe those posts had their tinfoil hats on?

They're special snowflake posts?

They upgraded?

re: #199 Jimmah

I wasn't baiting her. I was making a valid point. It is the height of hypocrisy to be bleating about respect for religion while sporting an avatar of a boy pissing on the name 'Allah'.

If that's a 'hot button' for mandy then that's just too goddamn bad.

Arguing over various religions makes the eeevil, militant atheist side of me chuckle.
But, I tend to keep him in check. ;)

re: #167 Stanley Sea

Is it OK for Rush to use anti-semetic buzz words to get his point across? (That Obama "might" be anti-semetic?) That's my question.

I don't think he said that. Although I do have concerns about Obama. Especially his Egypt speech. He seems to believe the Palestinian version of history, which I think is a huge lie. However I think I blame his Zelig tenancy to say what his audience wants to hear.

re: #74 Racer X

I am not particularly religious - I have not participated in organized religion in over 20 years. But I do try to demonstrate respect for other people's spiritual beliefs.

It's just common courtesy.

Amen brother. By the way, you've really got me rethinking my position national health care.

(damn you, I hate rethinking)

re: #199 Jimmah

I wasn't baiting her. I was making a valid point. It is the height of hypocrisy to be bleating about respect for religion while sporting an avatar of a boy pissing on the name 'Allah'.

If that's a 'hot button' for mandy then that's just too goddamn bad.

And I'm sure Mandy would suggest that she is making a valid counter-point that posting a long video of two animals copulating is something she finds offensive. Don't attack her if you're going to complain when she responds in kind.

re: #212 Varek Raith

lol Atheists tend to be the worst at that :p

Talk about disrespecting other religions!

/sorry I had to >> Its totally true tho!

re: #187 marjoriemoon

Marjorie:

Honestly, I'm not even offended by Rush's statement. It's so ridiculous, it's almost funny.

And Foxman is a trip, too. But I think he does do some good work.

All we need now is for Mel Gibson to fall off the wagon, again, and there will be enough South Park material for a whole season.

re: #201 bagua

Again, not taking sides, but do not pretend that you two are not baiting Mandy and then complain when she snaps back.

Jimmah, as mentioned, was making a valid point.
For an example of genuine baiting, may I direct you to this? The video linked there is also highly relevant.

It's been going on for a while. Yes, I will continue to point it out and mock it, until it stops.
Now that she's succeeded in derailing the thread, perhaps we can all return to genuine discussion.

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

Mandy seems to be in a funk lately. I hope she comes around. I miss her liveliness and wit.

She's more than capable of posting good links and comments, when she feels like it.

re: #213 Buck

I don't think he said that. Although I do have concerns about Obama. Especially his Egypt speech. He seems to believe the Palestinian version of history, which I think is a huge lie. However I think I blame his Zelig tenancy to say what his audience wants to hear.

My firedupness is Rush using the hate buzzwords his audience grabs onto and perpetuates. Not really with his talk about Obama. He's said worse about Obama.

re: #216 windsagio

lol Atheists tend to be the worst at that :p

Talk about disrespecting other religions!

/sorry I had to >> Its totally true tho!

Oh, trust me, I'm quite capable of going full bore militant...;)
I just don't, unless ya show up at my door with the presumption of saving my immortal soul...then I gots issues. :)

re: #216 windsagio

lol Atheists tend to be the worst at that :p

Talk about disrespecting other religions!

/sorry I had to >> Its totally true tho!

:P

re: #204 darthstar

EXCUSE YOU?

re: #218 iceweasel

As I said IceWeasel, I'm not saying either one of you are right or wrong. I'm just saying, don't bait Mandy and then complain when she snaps back.

Big Spider Attacks Daddy

re: #221 Varek Raith

Oh, trust me, I'm quite capable of going full bore militant...;)
I just don't, unless ya show up at my door with the presumption of saving my immortal soul...then I gots issues. :)

My apathetic-agnostic culturally-Protestant husband has taken to telling door-to-door missionaries that 'this is a Jewish home', and closing the door.

I figure, he's entitled. It's more polite that what he might say on his own account.

re: #212 Varek Raith

Why do you keep it in check?
Let it rip!

re: #223 Floral Giraffe

EXCUSE YOU?

I'd blame my dog, but he makes more sense than Rush all the time.

re: #217 davesax

Marjorie:

Honestly, I'm not even offended by Rush's statement. It's so ridiculous, it's almost funny.

And Foxman is a trip, too. But I think he does do some good work.

All we need now is for Mel Gibson to fall off the wagon, again, and there will be enough South Park material for a whole season.

lol indeed.

I'm offended by most of what comes out of Rush, sorry to say, this included. Foxman does good work. So does the ADL considering there aren't many watchdog organizations like this.

re: #175 Irenicum

I suspect that, at heart, Limbaugh is really just an insecure bully, and struggling addict, with serious control issues.

Just my two cents of amature psychotherapy.

Time for me to get some sleeps, this is both amazing and thrilling --

Anthony Atala on growing organs

re: #224 bagua

As I said IceWeasel, I'm not saying either one of you are right or wrong. I'm just saying, don't bait Mandy and then complain when she snaps back.

This reminds me of a conversation we had recently, specifically about how frustrating it is when we realise that other posters generally haven't followed all the exchanges between two that have an issue.

re: #227 Floral Giraffe

Why do you keep it in check?
Let it rip!

Because it would be really bad, I mean, like AnneFrance bad...possible ban...
;)

re: #224 bagua

I really have to go to work, but one last thing.

The problem is she snaps back at everything. As long as you avoid her pet subjects, she's witty and fun... But challenge anything, and you get the third degree.

Those kind of antics simply aren't conducive to any kind of interesting discussion... And its a reasonable response to point 'em out.

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL!
I was told by my BIL, that my red "no soliciting" signs were "unfriendly".
Well, they are friendlier than what I say to solicitors who ignore them!
LOL!

re: #225 Racer X

Big Spider Attacks Daddy

[Video]

OMG I jumped out of my chair!

re: #199 Jimmah

I wasn't baiting her. I was making a valid point. It is the height of hypocrisy to be bleating about respect for religion while sporting an avatar of a boy pissing on the name 'Allah'.

If that's a 'hot button' for mandy then that's just too goddamn bad.

The height of hypocrisy? You don't mind engaging in a little hyperbole do you?

Let me sling around a little hyperbole of my own. You have a very narrow view of religion.

Don't let the fundamentalist define the terms.

re: #233 Varek Raith

haha yeah. Theres a reason most of us keep our beliefs in check on here. That way lies destruction!

re: #201 bagua

As I said, I'm not taking sides as to who is right or wrong. Rather I'm pointing out that as Jimmah decided to bait Mandy by citing something she presents that he finds offensive, Mandy responds by citing something Jimmah presents that Mandy finds offensive. You then join in and suggest that Mandy is affiliated with the stalkers.

Again, not taking sides, but do not pretend that you two are not baiting Mandy and then complain when she snaps back.

Nope. I made a valid criticism of mandy, mandy made a bitchy comment about our wedding video. You are saying "don't complain when someone responds to your valid criticism with stupid bitchy remarks, cos criticism make person feel bad, and making person feel bad is baiting".

Sorry Bagua, but that's just stupid.

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

My apathetic-agnostic culturally-Protestant husband has taken to telling door-to-door missionaries that 'this is a Jewish home', and closing the door.

I figure, he's entitled. It's more polite that what he might say on his own account.

Funny. In a related comment I once told this maintenance guy from an undisclosed Eastern European country that I was an atheist and he shrugged and said, "oh, so you're Jewish." I didn't quiet understand what he meant. Typically he goes of the rails about Jews.

re: #230 davesax

I suspect that, at heart, Limbaugh is really just an insecure bully, and struggling addict, with serious control issues.

Just my two cents of amature psychotherapy.

At heart, Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer (and a caricature of himself). He spews bile and hate and bigotry because it means a 400 million dollar contract. If it wasn't for the money, he'd just be popping oxycontin and banging underage prostitutes (regardless of gender) in the Caribbean.

Can someone design Mandy a new avatar, featuring a little Calvin peeing on two cats doing it? Then everyone would be happy, and the rest of us could go on with our lives.

/Don't even bother to down-ding, just give me the disapproving looks.

re: #238 windsagio

haha yeah. Theres a reason most of us keep our beliefs in check on here. That way lies destruction!

You are on the way to destruction! HAHAHA!
What you say?!
/All your base ref.

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

Can someone design Mandy a new avatar, featuring a little Calvin peeing on two cats doing it? Then everyone would be happy, and the rest of us could go on with our lives.

/Don't even bother to down-ding, just give me the disapproving looks.

Can I still upding you, because I like that idea.

re: #232 iceweasel

This reminds me of a conversation we had recently, specifically about how frustrating it is when we realise that other posters generally haven't followed all the exchanges between two that have an issue.

Fuck me.

Are you kidding? Most posters, and lurkers, could care less. There's a reason why Charles jumps in and tells people to knock it off. You and your husband always seem to be at the center of it.

Why is that?

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

I particularly enjoy asking them "if they can read". THEN yelling at them.
SIGH. It's flat & a dense suburb, here. I can get 5 or more solicitors on a warm Saturday. Me? I get abusive. WTF. I have signs up not to come here & they do anyway. I would like to inflict pain, but, I think they're too stupid to feel pain.

I swear to god its like a fucking soap opera when those two show up. Every fucking time.

I'm out.

re: #234 windsagio

I really have to go to work, but one last thing.

The problem is she snaps back at everything. As long as you avoid her pet subjects, she's witty and fun... But challenge anything, and you get the third degree.

No doubt, thus Jimmah knows full well that she will snap back at his baiting. There is no mystery there, which is why I am saying: "If you don't want to be snapped back at, don't bait someone you know will snap. And if you do, don't complain and pretend it came out of the blue."

re: #243 Varek Raith

You are on the way to destruction! HAHAHA!
What you say?!
/All your base ref.

Fitting for this thread that the villains are called 'cats'.

/For Great Justice!

re: #146 jaunte

Ceiling Cat Iz Watching U...
[Link: coolbeancake.files.wordpress.com...]

Hee! I love that.

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

Fitting for this thread that the villains are called 'cats'.

/For Great Justice!

Move Zig. Move Zig. You know what you are doing take of every Zig.

re: #237 BruceKelly

The height of hypocrisy? You don't mind engaging in a little hyperbole do you?

Let me sling around a little hyperbole of my own. You have a very narrow view of religion.

Don't let the fundamentalist define the terms.

Oh go on, then - tell me, in a way that doesn't involve more bigotry, how calling for respect for religion is consistent with having an avatar like that.

And you are wrong about my view of religion. That comment I made only relates to some believers, not all. Your inference was invalid.

re: #246 Floral Giraffe

I particularly enjoy asking them "if they can read". THEN yelling at them.
SIGH. It's flat & a dense suburb, here. I can get 5 or more solicitors on a warm Saturday. Me? I get abusive. WTF. I have signs up not to come here & they do anyway. I would like to inflict pain, but, I think they're too stupid to feel pain.

"I'm Jewish" seems to work here too. I'm not sure why. Do Mormons proselytize? There's a new Mormon church up the street. They have "Elder" on their nameplates. Anyway, I don't know why that works. It used to represent a good challenge!

re: #245 Racer X

Fuck me.

Are you kidding? Most posters, and lurkers, could care less. There's a reason why Charles jumps in and tells people to knock it off. You and your husband always seem to be at the center of it.

Why is that?

If you have an issue with Charles's decisions regarding who to ban, and who not to ban, perhaps you should take it up with him.

And if you 'couldn't care less', perhaps the policy to follow would be to ignore posts (and posters) you don't like?