ACORN Sting Filmmaker Arrested at Sen. Landrieu’s Office

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Conservative activist James O’Keefe, who posed as a pimp in the infamous ACORN sting videos, has been arrested in New Orleans in what appears to be an attempt to wiretap the office of Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu.

Chris Good has details from the FBI affidavit:

According to Rayes, O’Keefe and another man, Stan Dai, have admitted to federal agents that he helping plan, coordinate, and prepare for the attempted infiltration and wiretapping, and the two men who allegedly posed as telephone company workers have admitted to entering Landrieu’s office under false pretenses.

O’Keefe entered Landrieu’s office and told a staffer there that he was waiting for someone to arrive, according to the affidavit. Special Agent Rayes states that two men, Joseph Basel and Robert Flanagan, then entered the office wearing blue denim work pants, blue work shirts, flourescent vests, tool belts, and carrying hard hats, and claimed to be workers for a telephone company.

O’Keefe then recorded them with his cell phone (which the staffer noticed) as Basel asked to see the office phone, “manipulated” the handset, and tried to call it with his cell phone, Rayes states. Basel and Flanagan said they needed access to the phone system, at which point the staffer directed them to the GSA office in the building, according to the affidavit. They went there, were asked for credentials, and said they had left their credentials in their vehicle; neither of them actually work for a phone company, according to the affidavit.

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936 comments
1 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:07:49pm

Shades of tricky dick...

/andy did you know?

2 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:08:11pm

It's hard to fathom what this guy was thinking... seriously. It's almost like he wanted to get arrested.

3 jaunte  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:08:19pm
"It was poor judgment," Robert Flanagan's lawyer, Garrison Jordan, said in a brief interview outside the courthouse. "I don't think there was any intent or motive to commit a crime."

"You can't prove nuthin'..."

4 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:09:40pm

Jackasses

5 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:09:48pm

Oh come on. Its not like he was commiting a serious felony or something.

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6 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:09:55pm

These jackasses seem to stepped in it big-time.

7 Bourdain's Breakfast  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:10:10pm

Wow. This will go higher, mark my words.

8 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:10:11pm

re: #2 Locker

It's hard to fathom what this guy was thinking... seriously. It's almost like he wanted to get arrested.

No, he wanted another "scoop".

He's full of himself, and is now in a heap of trouble. The FBI no less.

9 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:10:11pm

re: #3 jaunte

"You can't prove nuthin'..."

Stupidity is not a defense.

10 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:10:34pm

I might point out that some time back, Cato and I both deduced, simply from the way the male perp knotted his tie and wore his jacket that he would come to no good.

11 Right Handed Neutrino  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:11:07pm

It's all fun and games and secretly filming and eavesdropping on people... until you get caught.

12 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:11:19pm

Too many movies and stories of the plucky reporters doing whatever it takes for the story. Dumbass.

13 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:12:07pm

He was arrested with Robert Flanagan - the son of William Flanagan, the acting U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Louisiana.

Niiiiice law & order lineage.

14 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:12:44pm

Breitbart is the new Nixon.

15 Bourdain's Breakfast  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:13:25pm

Our country is coming apart at the seams.

16 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:13:32pm

PDF link to the Affidavit in the Atlantic update

[Link: politics.theatlantic.com...]

17 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:13:48pm

Did he really think he could get away with this bullshit?

18 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:14:04pm

re: #15 Bourdain's Breakfast

Our country is coming apart at the seams.

Our country is fine, the hard cons are loosing it however.

19 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:14:14pm

This is so WTF I wanna invoke the 48-hour rule. This is as mind-bogglingly inexplicable as the "we just won a default judgment against the Black Panthers for voter intimidation, but we're gonna throw away that conviction and drop the whole case."

There HAS to be one hell of a story behind all this. This is just too, too, too bizarre at this point. It's a quintessential "non sequitur" situation.

20 ssn697  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:14:55pm

LMAO at the utter stupidity of RECORDING yourself committing a felony.

21 Blueheron  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:15:16pm

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

22 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:15:28pm

re: #7 Bourdain's Breakfast

Wow. This will go higher, mark my words.

I'll bet Scott Brown is behind it all

23 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:16:00pm

re: #17 MandyManners

Did he really think he could get away with this bullshit?

I have a feeling that if he had "gotten the goods" the crime would be forgiven. At least he may have been thinking that.

24 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:16:33pm

re: #22 cliffster

I'll bet Scott Brown is behind it all

No. KARL ROVE.

25 Right Handed Neutrino  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:16:34pm

re: #19 BunnyThief

I don't know, it sounds explicable enough to me.

26 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:17:00pm

Damn it, didn't these people learn anything from Nixon?

27 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:17:43pm

re: #10 Guanxi88

I might point out that some time back, Cato and I both deduced, simply from the way the male perp knotted his tie and wore his jacket that he would come to no good.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

See, now look. The dentist's son on the right of the picture is committing one of the most footling errors. His pocket square matches his tie. Makes him look even more foolish than otherwise he might have. Probably came with the tie, which is a dead giveaway that that's not the tie you want, by the way. Shoulda been a simple white square, folded into a neat rectangle protruding not more than about a half inch (if that) over the top of the pocket.

Knot on the tie is all wrong - probably the same knot he used on the tie at his first frat mixer.

Shirt's got the oxford collar, which is OK with the sports coat, but a no-no with a suit. Stripes on the shirt & a patterned tie probably don't work in this case - too many angles.

Kid's a train-wreck right outta the box, and that's without knowing anything about him or what he stands for. If he can't even project the image of importance and seriousness, how the hell can he expect to be taken seriously? This little thing (his sartorial foul-ups) shows me that he's got no manager or minder to keep RSM et al away. He'll screw up royally. Just wait.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #46 Guanxi88

Not only that, but his suit-jacket is unbuttoned, while Stacy's is buttoned. Makes the kid look like a bounder.

And anyone who's still tying a half-Windsor knot past the age of sixteen will be on the dole by 28.

28 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:17:50pm

Can't help but think this is a little hypocritical to be talking about these guys when they broke the story on ACORN it was ignored by Charles on this site.

Charles why is this story important? And if it is would you have honestly link their article if they did get away with it and got some dirt on the Senator? I think not from you complete ignoring of the ACORN Stuff.

29 Blueheron  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:17:52pm

re: #24 MandyManners

No. KARL ROVE.

Ah cumon! George W. Bush!

30 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:18:14pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

I have a feeling that if he had "gotten the goods" the crime would be forgiven. At least he may have been thinking that.

Cops can't get away with illegally wiretapping someone. What made him think he could?

31 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:19:04pm

Next time you want to pull this Shit James...Hire professionals..
Like Tom Cruise and the Mission Impossible team...

32 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:19:43pm

re: #30 MandyManners

Cops can't get away with illegally wiretapping someone. What made him think he could?

He had the best of intentions!

/

33 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:19:47pm

re: #28 lrsshadow

Can't help but think this is a little hypocritical to be talking about these guys when they broke the story on ACORN it was ignored by Charles on this site.

Charles why is this story important? And if it is would you have honestly link their article if they did get away with it and got some dirt on the Senator? I think not from you complete ignoring of the ACORN Stuff.

There is a difference between saying a few lies and seeing if you can get people to make fools of themselves in front of you, and invading someone's privacy!

34 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:20:17pm

re: #30 MandyManners

Cops can't get away with illegally wiretapping someone. What made him think he could?

He's an idjit. That's all I got.

35 CarryOn  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:20:44pm

Amazing how the Media is all over this story, but all but ignored the Acorn undercover stings...just sayin'...
What dumb kids...dumb, dumb, dumb.

I'm new here....it's so exciting!!!
:D

36 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:21:16pm

Were not their 'acorn sting' videos heavily edited?

37 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:21:35pm

re: #35 CarryOn

If that was a new Star Trek movie reference, you get an upding...

38 acacia  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:21:43pm

Strange. I have no problem with the hidden recorder with ACORN but to wiretap is an entirely different matter. That's not cool.

39 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:21:50pm

re: #35 CarryOn

Amazing how the Media is all over this story, but all but ignored the Acorn undercover stings...just sayin'...
What dumb kids...dumb, dumb, dumb.

I'm new here...it's so exciting!!!
:D

Nice seeing you newbe..Enjoy your stay

40 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:21:54pm

Prepare for the Acorn debate.......

41 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:22:25pm

re: #28 lrsshadow

You just tipped your hand a little bit too far, I think.

42 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:22:30pm

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He had the best of intentions!

/

We know what's paved with the best intentions.

43 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:22:33pm

re: #28 lrsshadow

Can't help but think this is a little hypocritical to be talking about these guys when they broke the story on ACORN it was ignored by Charles on this site.

On the contrary, I think it shows he had good judgment in ignoring the ACORN story. Look how much credibility this goof has now.

44 Irenicum  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:22:48pm

I'm so glad these "conservative" activists are so into law and order!
/

45 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:22:51pm

re: #25 Right Handed Neutrino

They dressed as phone company guys and wanted access to telecom equipment... but apparently didn't have any telecom gear that would let them monkey with the gear. Nor did they have fake IDs or forged paperwork for their work.

Here's one theory: the sting was to show how crappy security was in Mary "Louisiana Purchase" Landrieu's office was. Not that this guy had shown the least bit of interest in the physical security of lawmakers before, nor had anyone really talked about how "senators don't take the safety of themselves and their staff seriously," but that's about the only scenario that fits the available facts.

These knuckleheads are in their mid-20's, so Alzheimer's is out. Maybe they can plead drunk or stoned or CO2 poisoning, because there seems to be absolutely nothing of malice or criminal intent behind what they did -- just plain old dumbassery.

I'll say it again: this whole story is filled to the brim with WTF.

46 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:22:55pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

He's an idjit. That's all I got.

A blooming idjit!

47 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:22:57pm

" I got a GREAT idea..."
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48 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:23:15pm

re: #33 jamesfirecat

There is a difference between saying a few lies and seeing if you can get people to make fools of themselves in front of you, and invading someone's privacy!

Well it doesn't matter how much a person make a fool of themselves in front of me I DON"T SUPPORT CHILD PROSTITUTION. EVEN IN ONE SENTENCE. Which is exactly what happened time and agian at Acorn offices.

If you went to every salvation army post in the US and tried the same thing you would not get one person to say anything like the ACORN staffers did.

49 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:23:25pm

re: #42 MandyManners

We know what's paved with the best intentions.

All those shovel-ready highway projects?

50 Blueheron  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:23:33pm

re: #33 jamesfirecat

There is a difference between saying a few lies and seeing if you can get people to make fools of themselves in front of you, and invading someone's privacy!

Not to mention it is a Federal crime.

51 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:23:34pm

re: #28 lrsshadow

This was a federal building - and an office of a US Senator. They are in deep kimchi. The last time something even remotely similar happened a US President resigned and that was just a campaign office the "Plumbers' (Chuck Colson now beloved by the Religious Right fundamentalists)

It's news worth reporting.

52 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:23:40pm

re: #28 lrsshadow

Fuck you jack.

53 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:23:56pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

On the contrary, I think it shows he had good judgment in ignoring the ACORN story. Look how much credibility this goof has now.

How does that affect the truth of the ACORN story?

54 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:24:27pm

re: #41 Obdicut

You just tipped your hand a little bit too far, I think.

nope just being honest, I have always wondered why the story was completely ignored here and now I can't help but think it is because bad news to the left doesn't qualify for LGF anymore.

55 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:25:06pm

re: #38 acacia

Strange. I have no problem with the hidden recorder with ACORN but to wiretap is an entirely different matter. That's not cool.

Even though it specifically violates Pennsylvania law?

56 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:25:17pm

re: #53 MandyManners

How does that affect the truth of the ACORN story?

Because it's supported by the wrong sorts of people; because it provides evidence suggestive of really goshawful practices among members of an organization that was once closely aligned and tied with our current president.

You racist.

57 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:25:20pm

re: #45 BunnyThief

They dressed as phone company guys and wanted access to telecom equipment... but apparently didn't have any telecom gear that would let them monkey with the gear. Nor did they have fake IDs or forged paperwork for their work.

Here's one theory: the sting was to show how crappy security was in Mary "Louisiana Purchase" Landrieu's office was. Not that this guy had shown the least bit of interest in the physical security of lawmakers before, nor had anyone really talked about how "senators don't take the safety of themselves and their staff seriously," but that's about the only scenario that fits the available facts.

These knuckleheads are in their mid-20's, so Alzheimer's is out. Maybe they can plead drunk or stoned or CO2 poisoning, because there seems to be absolutely nothing of malice or criminal intent behind what they did -- just plain old dumbassery.

I'll say it again: this whole story is filled to the brim with WTF.

No criminal intent? The act itself proves intent.

58 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:25:26pm

re: #48 lrsshadow

Well it doesn't matter how much a person make a fool of themselves in front of me I DON"T SUPPORT CHILD PROSTITUTION. EVEN IN ONE SENTENCE. Which is exactly what happened time and agian at Acorn offices.

If you went to every salvation army post in the US and tried the same thing you would not get one person to say anything like the ACORN staffers did.

So by pointing out that by legal methods they managed to uncover illegal activity that apparently makes it okay for them to use illegal methods as well?

Nice dodge of the issue there.

59 Qabal  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:25:34pm

Methinks his head got a little too big after the outpouring of love from the right after his ACORN shenanigans. Wiretapping a senator's phone? Seriously?

I'm also wondering what work Landrieu is involved in that would make her a target for something like this.

60 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:25:49pm

re: #53 MandyManners

How does that affect the truth of the ACORN story?

I don't know whether it affects the "truth," but it does undermine the credibility of one of the participants.

61 Bourdain's Breakfast  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:26:00pm

re: #35 CarryOn

Amazing how the Media is all over this story, but all but ignored the Acorn undercover stings...just sayin'...
What dumb kids...dumb, dumb, dumb.

I'm new here...it's so exciting!!!
:D

Really?

62 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:26:06pm

re: #54 lrsshadow

nope just being honest, I have always wondered why the story was completely ignored here and now I can't help but think it is because bad news to the left doesn't qualify for LGF anymore.

Why did we have that long post about how Scott Brown won the special election then?

63 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:26:21pm

re: #28 lrsshadow

Breaking into a Senator's offices under false pretenses to plant illegal wire taps isn't newsworthy or worth talking about?

64 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:26:22pm

re: #59 Qabal

Methinks his head got a little too big after the outpouring of love from the right after his ACORN shenanigans. Wiretapping a senator's phone? Seriously?

I'm also wondering what work Landrieu is involved in that would make her a target for something like this.

She was one of the last Dem holdouts on the HC bill.

65 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:26:30pm

re: #53 MandyManners

How does that affect the truth of the ACORN story?

My math teacher got caught sleeping with one of his students. I guess the Pythagorean Theorem is a bunch of crap after all.

66 Charpete67  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:26:36pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

Prepare for the Acorn debate...

no need...this completely exonerates ACORN from any wrongdoing...

67 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:27:13pm

Nice job genius. Have a swell time in the hole.

68 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:27:15pm

re: #51 Thanos

This was a federal building - and an office of a US Senator. They are in deep kimchi. The last time something even remotely similar happened a US President resigned and that was just a campaign office the "Plumbers' (Chuck Colson now beloved by the Religious Right fundamentalists)

It's news worth reporting.

I agree, but so is an organization that receives federal money, poised to get much more (billions) in federal money, with so many members willing to aid criminals in setting up a child prostitution ring. Sounds like a pretty big story to me.

If this was not ACORN and it was the Heritage Institute, there would be many posts on this site, yet being it was ACORN the big news story was ignored on this site.

69 Right Handed Neutrino  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:27:36pm

re: #45 BunnyThief

I have to admit, my take on this was the simpler, Occam's Razor inspired explanation that they wanted to wiretap the phones of a Senator so they could catch her saying something outrageous and just didn't think it through. I guess we'll see what they have to say for themselves.

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:27:42pm

re: #8 Stanley Sea

No, he wanted another "scoop".

He's full of himself, and is now in a heap of trouble. The FBI no less.

The FBI takes it serious when private citizens try to wiretap politician's offices.

71 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:27:56pm

re: #52 Locker

Fuck you jack.

back at you Hypocrite. Keep your head in the sand if you don't like tough questions.

72 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:28:13pm

re: #66 Charpete67

no need...this completely exonerates ACORN from any wrongdoing...

It doesn't have to as ACORN was already exonerated by former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger.

bradblog.com...

73 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:28:19pm

re: #60 wrenchwench

I don't know whether it affects the "truth," but it does undermine the credibility of one of the participants.

But it should not be used to bolster the credibility of ACORN.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:28:21pm

re: #12 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Too many movies and stories of the plucky reporters doing whatever it takes for the story. Dumbass.

Talk about taking the wrong message from All The King's Men...

75 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:28:36pm

re: #68 lrsshadow

If this was not ACORN and it was the Heritage Institute, there would be many posts on this site, yet being it was ACORN the big news story was ignored on this site.

It wasn't ignored, it was discussed tons.

76 Charpete67  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:28:49pm

re: #72 Locker

It doesn't have to as ACORN was already exonerated by former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger.

bradblog.com...

exactly...we agree...they did nothing wrong.

77 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:28:50pm

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Breaking into a Senator's offices under false pretenses to plant illegal wire taps isn't newsworthy or worth talking about?

all I am saying is that the ACORN story was as big if not a bigger story. A willingness of the ACORN employees to set up a child sex ring is not a story? please.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:29:02pm

re: #13 Stanley Sea

He was arrested with Robert Flanagan - the son of William Flanagan, the acting U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Louisiana.

Niiice law & order lineage.

Now, I wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall at the Flanagan dinner table tonight!

79 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:29:05pm

re: #75 cliffster

It wasn't ignored, it was discussed tons.

Don't bother with facts.

80 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:29:16pm

re: #71 lrsshadow

back at you Hypocrite. Keep your head in the sand if you don't like tough questions.

If you could ask a tough question instead of just slinging your ACORN hating bullshit the maybe you wouldn't be getting an overwhelming host of downdings on your way to flounceville.

81 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:29:21pm

re: #75 cliffster

It wasn't ignored, it was discussed tons.

Not to mention ACORN was cleared of all wrong doing, lets see if these guys are so lucky....

82 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:29:48pm

re: #65 cliffster

My math teacher got caught sleeping with one of his students. I guess the Pythagorean Theorem is a bunch of crap after all.

So, pies are not square, either?

83 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:29:59pm

re: #77 lrsshadow

all I am saying is that the ACORN story was as big if not a bigger story. A willingness of the ACORN employees to set up a child sex ring is not a story? please.

Get off the child sex ring bullshit.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:30:03pm

re: #19 BunnyThief

This is so WTF I wanna invoke the 48-hour rule. This is as mind-bogglingly inexplicable as the "we just won a default judgment against the Black Panthers for voter intimidation, but we're gonna throw away that conviction and drop the whole case."

There HAS to be one hell of a story behind all this. This is just too, too, too bizarre at this point. It's a quintessential "non sequitur" situation.


48 hours is probably wise, but I don't know if there'll be much of a story. This kid has been doing this for years, and he finally got smacked for it.

I blame "Harriet The Spy".

85 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:30:04pm

re: #73 MandyManners

But it should not be used to bolster the credibility of ACORN.

If those who set out to expose ACORN do stupid stuff later along the same lines, they have undermined their own case.

86 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:30:04pm

re: #81 jamesfirecat

Not to mention ACORN was cleared of all wrong doing, lets see if these guys are so lucky...

That first part is not exactly true, but yeah these guys are fucked.

87 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:30:04pm

re: #66 Charpete67

no need...this completely exonerates ACORN from any wrongdoing...

Horsefeathers.

88 generalsparky  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:30:19pm

re: #62 jamesfirecat

Why did we have that long post about how Scott Brown won the special election then?

Because Scott Brown was elected by "Tea Baggers". It was hardly a positive post about Scott Brown.

89 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:30:25pm

re: #68 lrsshadow

I agree, but so is an organization that receives federal money, poised to get much more (billions) in federal money, with so many members willing to aid criminals in setting up a child prostitution ring. Sounds like a pretty big story to me.

If this was not ACORN and it was the Heritage Institute, there would be many posts on this site, yet being it was ACORN the big news story was ignored on this site.

Oh bullshit! There was probably over 100,000 posts about ACORN here...Charles decried the methods of discovery

90 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:30:25pm

re: #68 lrsshadow

What organization? The US senate? It's ok to tap Senators? Quit trying to change the suject to ACORN, It's just not going to work, nice try.

91 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:30:25pm

I tried to find a you tube clip of Peter Sellers doing the "Hov comb to feex yur phun.." schtick in the Pink Panther movie, but alas, none to be found..

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:30:30pm

re: #22 cliffster

I'll bet Scott Brown is behind it all

He got a beef with Landrieu?

93 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:30:40pm

re: #57 MandyManners

No criminal intent? The act itself proves intent.

I probably misspoke. What I meant was "no malicious intent that corresponds with the still-fresh and still-shaky known facts." They didn't have gear that would let them sabotage or bug or even steal the telecom equipment. They didn't have fake paperwork or ID to back up their scam.

This whole story just oozes WTF to me. It's made of dumb. It's like Watergate, if Watergate involved Nixon himself leading the break-in to McGovern's summer lakeside cabin.

94 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:30:51pm

re: #71 lrsshadow

back at you Hypocrite. Keep your head in the sand if you don't like tough questions.

You are not asking "tough questions". You are whitewashing. This is a huge story, it's just not one you wanted to hear.

95 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:30:52pm

re: #58 jamesfirecat

So by pointing out that by legal methods they managed to uncover illegal activity that apparently makes it okay for them to use illegal methods as well?

Nice dodge of the issue there.

What they did was stupid and illegal, they should be put on trial and if guilty they should serve the standard sentence. All I am pointing out is the Hypocrisy of not reporting on these two until now. ACORN was a big news worthy story and when it broke it was ignored by Charles.

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:31:18pm

re: #28 lrsshadow

Can't help but think this is a little hypocritical to be talking about these guys when they broke the story on ACORN it was ignored by Charles on this site.

Charles why is this story important? And if it is would you have honestly link their article if they did get away with it and got some dirt on the Senator? I think not from you complete ignoring of the ACORN Stuff.


Was it ignored? I recall talking about it a lot here.

97 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:31:21pm

re: #72 Locker

It doesn't have to as ACORN was already exonerated by former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger.

bradblog.com...

Well, if ACORN's own internal investigation uncovered no wrongdoing, then I think that settles the issue rather definitively.

98 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:31:47pm

re: #27 Guanxi88

what's your recommended knot for a grown-up?

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:31:47pm

re: #30 MandyManners

Cops can't get away with illegally wiretapping someone. What made him think he could?

He's been doing it for a while...

100 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:31:51pm

re: #77 lrsshadow

all I am saying is that the ACORN story was as big if not a bigger story. A willingness of the ACORN employees to set up a child sex ring is not a story? please.

Wishing doesn't make it so. It was big political gamesmanship, it wasn't a big story. It was a big TRY at a story. But there was nothing there.

101 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:32:01pm

re: #95 lrsshadow

ACORN was a big news worthy story and when it broke it was ignored by Charles.

It was only big news to wingnuts and Fox News. Nobody else cared.

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:32:11pm

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He had the best of intentions!

/


The FBI doesn't care!

103 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:32:25pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Get off the child sex ring bullshit.

Didn't the ACORN staffer advise how to get girls smuggled from Central America set up as prostitutes? Is my memory that bad?

104 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:32:42pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

Prepare for the Acorn debate...

Manning battlestations!

105 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:32:53pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

If those who set out to expose ACORN do stupid stuff later along the same lines, they have undermined their own case.

It does not erase history.

106 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:33:18pm

re: #98 Aceofwhat?

what's your recommended knot for a grown-up?

Double windsor, my friend, and don't be afraid to have the shirt-side end of the tie remarkably short, if that's what it takes to get a nice, symmetrical, collar-filling knot. And don't forget the divot in the front.

The point of the knot should come as close to needle-sharp as possible without distorting the fabric of the tie.

107 generalsparky  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:33:32pm

re: #95 lrsshadow

What they did was stupid and illegal, they should be put on trial and if guilty they should serve the standard sentence. All I am pointing out is the Hypocrisy of not reporting on these two until now. ACORN was a big news worthy story and when it broke it was ignored by Charles.

Why are you worried about what Charles is posting? His site, his choices.

108 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:34:03pm

re: #95 lrsshadow

What they did was stupid and illegal, they should be put on trial and if guilty they should serve the standard sentence. All I am pointing out is the Hypocrisy of not reporting on these two until now. ACORN was a big news worthy story and when it broke it was ignored by Charles.

You are outright lying. It was reported by Charles, you just did not like his take on it. See the number of stories here

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You probably commented in some of those threads, so don't try to lie more.

109 Irenicum  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:34:07pm

But but but ACORN did bad stuff!!! That means this isn't important!!!
///

110 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:34:13pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Get off the child sex ring bullshit.

Why, it is what many different people who worked for ACORN in many different locations didn't have a problem helping these two set up? If it is all fake then why did ACORN promptly fire so many who where in these videos.

111 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:34:14pm

re: #106 Guanxi88

I'm down with the Double Windsor knot.

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:34:28pm

re: #54 lrsshadow

nope just being honest, I have always wondered why the story was completely ignored here and now I can't help but think it is because bad news to the left doesn't qualify for LGF anymore.

It may make you happy to assume that ACORN's trouble are 'bad news to the left', but mostly the left didn't know ACORN existed before all this came up.

113 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:34:30pm

re: #95 lrsshadow

There are lots of big stories which don't get picked up on or are mentioned later here. You wan't an article on every tid bit of news out there, hit up yahoo or google news.

114 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:34:30pm

re: #105 MandyManners

It does not erase history.

Of course not. It just shines a new light on it, gives a new perspective.

115 SteveC  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:34:43pm

re: #37 PT Barnum

If that was a new Star Trek movie reference, you get an upding...

"You can settle for less - an ordinary life - or do you feel that you were meant for something better? Something special?"

116 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:34:50pm

re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist

The FBI doesn't care!

And God bless them for that.

117 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:34:55pm

re: #109 Irenicum

But but but ACORN did bad stuff!!! That means this isn't important!!!
///

But but but O'Keefe did bad stuff!!! That means ACORN's benign!!!

118 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:34:58pm

re: #93 BunnyThief

I probably misspoke. What I meant was "no malicious intent that corresponds with the still-fresh and still-shaky known facts." They didn't have gear that would let them sabotage or bug or even steal the telecom equipment. They didn't have fake paperwork or ID to back up their scam.

This whole story just oozes WTF to me. It's made of dumb. It's like Watergate, if Watergate involved Nixon himself leading the break-in to McGovern's summer lakeside cabin.

Just because a crook was incompetent does not make his crimes any less serious.

As for malice, I find intending to invade someone's privacy pretty malicious.

119 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:35:08pm

re: #110 lrsshadow

Why, it is what many different people who worked for ACORN in many different locations didn't have a problem helping these two set up? If it is all fake then why did ACORN promptly fire so many who where in these videos.

If there is really global warming why is it snowing outside right now?

///

120 DaddyG  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:35:20pm

Which isn't to say that the ACORN staffers weren't complete idiots - which doesn't prove that ACORN is an evil army bent on destroying Democracy - which isn't to say that ACORN isn't corrupt as Boss Hog - which isn't to say that Breitbart was above board in the way he caught them - which isn't to say that Breitbart wasn't idiotic to tap Landreau's office - which isn't to say that Landreau isn't incompetent - which isn't to say that even a dumb squirrel (Breitbart) can't find an ACORN once in a while - (start at top and repeat)

121 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:35:25pm

re: #77 lrsshadow

all I am saying is that the ACORN story was as big if not a bigger story. A willingness of the ACORN employees to set up a child sex ring is not a story? please.

So edited videos (have we seen any unedited videos?) claim to show the ACORN Employees engaging in really horrible behavior. However the person responsible for the video has now just been accused of engaging in illegal behavior himself.

If someone is willing to engage in illegal behavior, would it not be possible that the same person would be willing to misrepresent what other people did in other to defame and malign them as well?

Attempting to wiretap(?) the office of a sitting senator calls into the judgment and of the person, and also calls into question his previous actions. Just how far would he be willing to go to tear down anyone he views as 'the enemy?' would he be willing to edit tapes and misrepresent what ACORN said in order to make them look bad?

If, he did engage in behavior like this (and let's see what the facts of the case are first), then I would seriously question the entire ACORN tape, at the very least, I'd want to see the unedited copies that don't have overdubbed audio.

122 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:35:25pm

re: #95 lrsshadow

What they did was stupid and illegal, they should be put on trial and if guilty they should serve the standard sentence. All I am pointing out is the Hypocrisy of not reporting on these two until now. ACORN was a big news worthy story and when it broke it was ignored by Charles.

It wasn't ignored at all by Charles, that is what we like to call a transparent falsehood. if you would care to use the search functions on LGF, you can find many times where he's addressed the ACORN thing. he just didn't come to your preferred wingnut wacko conclusion.

123 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:35:39pm

re: #91 Mich-again

I tried to find a you tube clip of Peter Sellers doing the "Hov comb to feex yur phun.." schtick in the Pink Panther movie, but alas, none to be found..

I think that was in the second movie if memory serves, return of the pink panther, though it might have been Shot In the Dark I can't find it on Youtube either... maybe I'll check Google Videos...

124 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:35:41pm

Andrew Breitbart: ‘No Knowledge About or Connection to” O’Keefe Scandal

I’ve just spoken to Andrew Breitbart, the proprietor of Big Government–the website which published and promoted James O’Keefe’s undercover sting of ACORN offices–about the arrest of James O’Keefe.

“We have no knowledge about or connection to any alleged acts and events involving James O’Keefe at Senator Mary Landrieu’s office,” said Breitbart. “We only just learned about the alleged incident this afternoon. We have no information other than what has been reported publicly by the press. Accordingly, we simply are not in a position to make any further comment.”


That's pretty unlikely. Breitbart certainly would have claimed credit for any scoops gained from the wiretaps. I doubt it goes beyond Breitbart though. This was such an amateur operation that I doubt this will extend to the GOP. Maybe some loony Tea Party leaders or Rev. Moon but nothing beyond that.

125 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:35:45pm

Have the raw 'acorn sting' vids ever been released?

126 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:35:56pm

re: #120 DaddyG

Which isn't to say that the ACORN staffers weren't complete idiots - which doesn't prove that ACORN is an evil army bent on destroying Democracy - which isn't to say that ACORN isn't corrupt as Boss Hog - which isn't to say that Breitbart was above board in the way he caught them - which isn't to say that Breitbart wasn't idiotic to tap Landreau's office - which isn't to say that Landreau isn't incompetent - which isn't to say that even a dumb squirrel (Breitbart) can't find an ACORN once in a while - (start at top and repeat)

I'd say that covers the whole thing perfectly.

127 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:35:59pm

re: #118 MandyManners

Just because a crook was incompetent does not make his crimes any less serious.

As for malice, I find intending to invade someone's privacy pretty malicious.

I think Glen Beck was behind it because...well you know...I'm not that much of a ding whore..

128 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:36:05pm

re: #120 DaddyG

Wunderbar

129 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:36:10pm

re: #97 Guanxi88

Well, if ACORN's own internal investigation uncovered no wrongdoing, then I think that settles the issue rather definitively.

Check out Harshbarger and Coakley.

CapeCoddah has some good stuff.

130 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:36:10pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

It was only big news to wingnuts and Fox News. Nobody else cared.

huh, media bias doesn't exist. If this was any other organization on the right caught exactly like ACORN was, it would still be front page story on the NY Times.

131 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:36:16pm

re: #110 lrsshadow

Your "look over there! Pedophiles!" thing is not working.

132 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:36:27pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

He's been doing it for a while...

He's tapped phones before?

133 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:36:34pm

re: #121 bloodstar

What he said. Triple time.

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:36:49pm

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Breaking into a Senator's offices under false pretenses to plant illegal wire taps isn't newsworthy or worth talking about?

I bet if it was Code Pink breaking into Scott Brown's office to wiretap him, lrsshadow would think it was important!

Of course, they would have been caught immediately, because of the 'dressed up like a pretty princess and ballerina' thing.

135 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:36:50pm

re: #130 lrsshadow

...and it would still be unimportant.

136 DaddyG  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:37:02pm

re: #100 WindUpBird

Wishing doesn't make it so. It was big political gamesmanship, it wasn't a big story. It was a big TRY at a story. But there was nothing there.


There was something there. The NCAA calls it lack of institutional control. They really needed to clean house and their local offices did some real damage to their funding and reputation of their own accord (it was not simply a far right plot).

137 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:37:12pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

It may make you happy to assume that ACORN's trouble are 'bad news to the left', but mostly the left didn't know ACORN existed before all this came up.

Well we know them well in Minnesota as there operatives were able to find enough votes in the trunks of their cars to overturn the election to Franken.

138 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:37:12pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

It was only big news to wingnuts and Fox News. Nobody else cared.

I'm neither yet I cared.

139 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:37:21pm

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There are lots of big stories which don't get picked up on or are mentioned later here. You wan't an article on every tid bit of news out there, hit up yahoo or google news.

That's just it, though. Lrsshadow is lying. Or clueless. Charles HAS addressed the story. As the partisan bullshit it was.

140 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:37:36pm

re: #103 MandyManners

Didn't the ACORN staffer advise how to get girls smuggled from Central America set up as prostitutes? Is my memory that bad?

That seems a little much, I've only seen the clips through the Daily Show but as I remember it, at worst they were advising how to handle the issue of handling their taxes in a situation where you had prostitutes working for you....

Feel free to provide links proving me wrong...

141 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:37:38pm

re: #66 Charpete67

no need...this completely exonerates ACORN from any wrongdoing...

Let's just say that my faith in this jolly team of housebreakers is sort of shaky.

142 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:37:56pm

re: #130 lrsshadow

huh, media bias doesn't exist. If this was any other organization on the right caught exactly like ACORN was, it would still be front page story on the NY Times.

Do you prefer rum or whiskey with your tu quoque?

143 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:38:27pm

re: #114 wrenchwench

Of course not. It just shines a new light on it, gives a new perspective.

How?

144 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:38:36pm
145 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:38:38pm

re: #137 lrsshadow

You can bluster all you want about Acorn, from what I read in the affidavit linked above O'Keefe and crew are going to get some hard time.

146 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:38:48pm

re: #142 WindUpBird

Do you prefer rum or whiskey with your tu quoque?

tu quoque n. A retort accusing an accuser of a similar offense or similar behavior.

(Thank you google...)

147 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:38:54pm

re: #66 Charpete67

no need...this completely exonerates ACORN from any wrongdoing...

It calls into question anything GOPimp has supposedly "exposed". He is not credible.

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:39:06pm

re: #77 lrsshadow

all I am saying is that the ACORN story was as big if not a bigger story. A willingness of the ACORN employees to set up a child sex ring is not a story? please.

Except that now there's evidence that the tapes were edited and tampered with, so I have no idea what actually happened. Which is why if you think people are doing bad stuff, you go after them by legal means.

149 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:39:08pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

...and it would still be unimportant.

oh so that is why the NY Times kept a story on the front page for 40 plus days that didn't involve any loss of life or hospitalization of anyone involved, but being it was the biggest stick to hit the right with, it stayed as the biggest story not just with the NY Times, but many other news outlets.

150 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:39:18pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

It may make you happy to assume that ACORN's trouble are 'bad news to the left', but mostly the left didn't know ACORN existed before all this came up.

That's a dubious statement at best, Jon Stewart was making your average lefty aware of how crazy the right was getting over ACORN well before they had any actual ammunition to shoot at them...

151 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:39:25pm

re: #145 Thanos

You can bluster all you want about Acorn, from what I read in the affidavit linked above O'Keefe and crew are going to get some hard time.

And rightly so, too. This kinda crap - irrespective of purported ideological or political reasons - is unacceptable. Add politics to it, and it's dangerous.

152 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:39:30pm

re: #146 Locker

tu quoque n. A retort accusing an accuser of a similar offense or similar behavior.

(Thank you google...)

haha yes. Also known as WEAAAAHHHH THEY DID IT TOOO

153 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:39:38pm

re: #142 WindUpBird

Whiskey.

154 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:39:46pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Stan Dai?

Stan Dai Your Man...

155 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:39:47pm

re: #95 lrsshadow

What they did was stupid and illegal, they should be put on trial and if guilty they should serve the standard sentence. All I am pointing out is the Hypocrisy of not reporting on these two until now. ACORN was a big news worthy story and when it broke it was ignored by Charles.

You know you're lying your ass with this whopper...

156 DaddyG  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:40:02pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

Andrew Breitbart: ‘No Knowledge About or Connection to” O’Keefe Scandal

Oops in that case:

Which isn't to say that the ACORN staffers weren't complete idiots - which doesn't prove that ACORN is an evil army bent on destroying Democracy - which isn't to say that ACORN isn't corrupt as Boss Hog - which isn't to say that OKeefe was above board in the way he caught them - which isn't to say that Okeefe wasn't idiotic to tap Landreau's office - which isn't to say that Landreau isn't incompetent - which isn't to say that even a dumb squirrel (OKeefe) can't find an ACORN once in a while - (start at top and repeat)

157 SteveC  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:40:12pm

re: #136 DaddyG

There was something there. The NCAA calls it lack of institutional control. They really needed to clean house and their local offices did some real damage to their funding and reputation of their own accord (it was not simply a far right plot).

How did Southern Cal football get in this discussion?

158 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:40:29pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

Other way 'round? Not So Much.
(FISA rant)

159 Charpete67  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:40:39pm

re: #147 WindUpBird

It calls into question anything GOPimp has supposedly "exposed". He is not credible.

yes...it is all suspect and we should be inclined to ignore anything on that video.

160 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:40:50pm

Honestly, though, if the ACORN stings were as much of a snoozer as many make out, then this is a snoozer snoozer.

161 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:40:52pm

re: #153 lrsshadow

Whiskey.

lrsshadow, have the raw 'acorn sting' vids been released?

162 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:41:01pm

re: #149 lrsshadow

We get it. It's all a conspiracy, a plot, it's the liberrrrrahhhhl media again...

They forced these dirty tricks political operatives into posing as telephone guys, we understand....

///

163 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:41:10pm

re: #150 jamesfirecat

That's a dubious statement at best, Jon Stewart was making your average lefty aware of how crazy the right was getting over ACORN well before they had any actual ammunition to shoot at them...

Think think that's included in the "all this" phrase... just saying it because we've kicked this around on multiple occasions. Similarly I had never even heard the phrase "Code Pink" before I first came to LGF and had it thrown in my face as an example of the menace demonstrated by the left.

164 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:41:39pm

Come on folks! Be boosters for the team and just hate ACORN for good ole liarshadow. Jump on the bandwagon!

///

165 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:42:10pm

re: #137 lrsshadow

Well we know them well in Minnesota as there operatives were able to find enough votes in the trunks of their cars to overturn the election to Franken.

Well then I guess ACORN is powerful enough to dupe the Supreme court of Minnesota who can we stop them now?

166 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:42:15pm

re: #164 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Come on folks! Be boosters for the team and just hate ACORN for good ole liarshadow. Jump on the bandwagon!

///

Well you know, sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't

167 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:42:21pm

re: #143 MandyManners

How?


See bloodstar's #121.

168 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:42:34pm

re: #72 Locker

It doesn't have to as ACORN was already exonerated by former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger.

bradblog.com...

Luther Scott Harshbarger needs to be introduced to Darnell Nash, who was registered to vote by ACORN nine separate times and was convicted of voting fraud in Ohio during the 2008 election.

Or, perhaps, Mr. Harshbarger should talk to the officials of Lake County, Indiana, where ACORN turned in 5,000 registration forms. After checking 2,100 of them, the officials had yet to find one valid form.

Or in several states, where ACORN volunteers from all across the nation registered to vote in the elections they were working on -- without giving up their old residence in their home states.

And that's not mentioning the ACORN grand project of occupying foreclosed-upon homes, or ACORN's bus tours of bank executive's homes so everyone knows where to find the eeeeevil bankers and their families....

Or ACORN's concealing of the million-dollar embezzlement by the founder's brother for years from the authorities and their own officials to spare the acute embarrassment...

ACORN is rotten as hell.

And O'Keefe, it appears, has thoroughly screwed himself. It's just that just what he was trying to do with Landrieu's office makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

169 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:42:38pm

re: #160 cliffster

Oh really? Did anyone from Acorn end up in Jail?

Because it looks to me like that's what's going to happen here.

170 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:42:59pm

re: #159 Charpete67

yes...it is all suspect and we should be inclined to ignore anything on that video.

You know what I saw on that video? A very confused woman being accosted by a racist.

You may as well accuse all of Best Buy of institutional fraud because one flunky working the counter fudged inventory records and walked out of the store with an iPod under his jacket.

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:43:10pm

re: #110 lrsshadow

Why, it is what many different people who worked for ACORN in many different locations didn't have a problem helping these two set up? If it is all fake then why did ACORN promptly fire so many who where in these videos.

I assume they thought the tapes were accurate and unedited. I'd fire folks in that case too.

I don't know what actually happened. Thanks to these dumb kids playing spy reporter, I don't know if I will ever know.

I repeat, however, that NO ONE working with low-income people ever thought that pair were actually a pimp and ho.

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:43:53pm

re: #117 Guanxi88

But but but O'Keefe did bad stuff!!! That means ACORN's benign!!!

ACORN did whatever they did. But this kid has been a dumbass from the beginning.

173 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:44:23pm

Two prominent national nonprofit groups are reeling from public disclosures that large sums of money were misappropriated in unrelated incidents by an employee and a former employee.

The groups, Acorn, one of the country’s largest community organizing groups, and the Points of Light Institute, which works to encourage civic activism and volunteering, have dealt with the problems in very different ways.

Acorn chose to treat the embezzlement of nearly $1 million eight years ago as an internal matter and did not even notify its board. After Points of Light noticed financial irregularities in early June, it took less than a month for management to alert federal prosecutors, although group officials say they have no clear idea yet what the financial impact may be.

A whistle-blower forced Acorn to disclose the embezzlement, which involved the brother of the organization’s founder, Wade Rathke.

The brother, Dale Rathke, embezzled nearly $1 million from Acorn and affiliated charitable organizations in 1999 and 2000, Acorn officials said, but a small group of executives decided to keep the information from almost all of the group’s board members and not to alert law enforcement.

Dale Rathke remained on Acorn’s payroll until a month ago, when disclosure of his theft by foundations and other donors forced the organization to dismiss him.

“We thought it best at the time to protect the organization, as well as to get the funds back into the organization, to deal with it in-house,” said Maude Hurd, president of Acorn. “It was a judgment call at the time, and looking back, people can agree or disagree with it, but we did what we thought was right.”

The amount Dale Rathke embezzled, $948,607.50, was carried as a loan on the books of Citizens Consulting Inc., which provides bookkeeping, accounting and other financial management services to Acorn and many of its affiliated entities.

Wade Rathke said the organization had signed a restitution agreement with his brother in which his family agreed to repay the amount embezzled in exchange for confidentiality.

Wade Rathke stepped down as Acorn’s chief organizer on June 2, the same day his brother left, but he remains chief organizer for Acorn International L.L.C.

SNIP

174 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:44:34pm
The AP reports that a magistrate "set bond at $10,000 each after they made their initial court appearances wearing red prison jumpsuits. None of the defendants commented on the allegations in court. 'It was poor judgment,' Robert Flanagan's lawyer, Garrison Jordan, said in a brief interview outside the courthouse. 'I don't think there was any intent or motive to commit a crime.'"

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

175 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:44:42pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

ACORN did whatever they did. But this kid has been a dumbass from the beginning.

Yep Not to toot my horn (you'll go blind from that) but I saw it all in his pocket square and the knot on his tie, months ago.

176 DaddyG  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:44:53pm

re: #147 WindUpBird

It calls into question anything GOPimp has supposedly "exposed". He is not credible.

Cant agree with you there. I have yet to come up with a scenareo where giving a single sentence of tax advice to a pimp who wants to import child prostitutes can be put in context.

It still doesn't make OKeefe smart or ethical as demonstrated by this recent dumbass stunt.

He and the discraced ACORN workers should be put to work cleaning trash from highways in their free time if they really want to help their community and nation.

177 SteveC  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:45:07pm

re: #166 PT Barnum

Well you know, sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't

Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know where you will find the nut.

178 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:45:14pm

re: #163 Locker

Think think that's included in the "all this" phrase... just saying it because we've kicked this around on multiple occasions. Similarly I had never even heard the phrase "Code Pink" before I first came to LGF and had it thrown in my face as an example of the menace demonstrated by the left.

Oh I took "all this" to mean only the fake Pimp videos and I learned about ACORN back when the Right was getting in a hissy over how as they were required to do (turning in a voter registration forms they collected) they turned in ones with the names of cartoon characters on them...

179 Blueheron  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:45:14pm

re: #81 jamesfirecat

Not to mention ACORN was cleared of all wrong doing, lets see if these guys are so lucky...

When and by whom?

180 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:45:20pm

Would this be a good time to post these?

181 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:45:22pm

..... ignore these evil m....'ers because ACORN"S BAD!

//

182 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:45:29pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

ACORN did whatever they did. But this kid has been a dumbass from the beginning.

Seriously. This kid has been a textbook example of how not to be an undercover reporter.

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:45:38pm

re: #132 MandyManners

He's tapped phones before?

No, but he's secretly recorded stuff before. It may not be the same in the eyes of the law, but it does have a sort of...developing MO...quality to it.

184 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:46:05pm

re: #68 lrsshadow

Ignored on this site?
Just a few links, next time try the search engine.
Sheesh.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

185 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:46:22pm

re: #181 Thanos

... ignore these evil m...'ers because ACORN"S BAD!

//

dunno about evil, the oedipal polysyllabic, though, I can support

186 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:46:23pm

/these are not the plumbers you are looking for... move along...

187 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:46:42pm

re: #137 lrsshadow

Well we know them well in Minnesota as there operatives were able to find enough votes in the trunks of their cars to overturn the election to Franken.

Give me evidence. I'm still waiting to hear about the mysterious extra vote machine, but the last time I asked for a link, the poster wandered away on me.

188 DaddyG  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:46:46pm

re: #164 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Come on folks! Be boosters for the team and just hate ACORN for good ole liarshadow. Jump on the bandwagon!

///


I've always had a low opinion of community organizers. Taking a cut off the top of aid that citizens are already entitled to is not my idea of ethical. (I've known too many organizer types that make their living off of mumbo jumbo and facilitation.) So for me its more of a long standing hate. Not of the community just the organizers.

189 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:47:14pm

re: #173 MandyManners

Two prominent national nonprofit groups are reeling from public disclosures that large sums of money were misappropriated in unrelated incidents by an employee and a former employee.

Which are being investigated by the proper authorities using legal means, not Captain Dipshit and the Troof Brigade sneaking around with hidden cameras and bad costumes.

190 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:47:22pm

re: #169 Thanos

Oh really? Did anyone from Acorn end up in Jail?

Because it looks to me like that's what's going to happen here.

The guy going to jail is only important because of the blood in the water he stirred up. Say what you want, if there never was blood in the water to begin with (as was maintained), then him going to jail is a non-story.

191 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:47:25pm

re: #188 DaddyG

I've always had a low opinion of community organizers. Taking a cut off the top of aid that citizens are already entitled to is not my idea of ethical. (I've known too many organizer types that make their living off of mumbo jumbo and facilitation.) So for me its more of a long standing hate. Not of the community just the organizers.

But that makes you a racist. Any community organizer will tell you that.

192 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:47:29pm

re: #179 Blueheron

When and by whom?

Earlier this month, a two-month independent investigation of ACORN, by former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger, found incidents of mismanagement, but no criminal wrongdoing by ACORN

And today, once again, ACORN is cleared of wrongdoing vis a vis yet another independent investigation, this one by the Congressional Research Service [PDF], as noted in a press release from U.S. House Judiciary Chair John Conyers this afternoon.

193 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:47:34pm

Ernst Stavro Blofeld - "Such a pity. All that time and energy wasted, simply to provide you with one mock, heroic moment."
;)

194 SteveC  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:47:34pm

re: #184 Rightwingconspirator

Ignored on this site?
Just a few links, next time try the search engine.
Sheesh.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Whoa! I thought you got *three* strikes!

195 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:47:37pm

re: #150 jamesfirecat

That's a dubious statement at best, Jon Stewart was making your average lefty aware of how crazy the right was getting over ACORN well before they had any actual ammunition to shoot at them...

You might want to pick someone else for your example:

196 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:47:39pm

re: #168 BunnyThief

Is ACORN rotten or are people who work for ACORN rotten? I generally assume any voter registration or signature gathering organization will have people who are padding signatures, they're poor people, they get paid by the signatures, they want to make money.

Can I dismiss the entire GOP as completely rotten because of the actions of individual members of the GOP? Can I dismiss everything a company has done as rotten because one or several of their low level employees broke the law? I've worked for health care organizations where my managers have committed fraud. And were fired for it and brought up on charges. Does that mean the work I do and that my company does is invalid? Does that mean it's rotten?

Anxiously awaiting your reply. 8-)

197 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:48:02pm

re: #181 Thanos

... ignore these evil m...'ers because ACORN"S BAD!

//

Did anyone say that?

198 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:48:22pm

re: #161 Varek Raith

lrsshadow, have the raw 'acorn sting' vids been released?

Breitbart says yes, Acorn says no. Who you gonna believe?

199 Irenicum  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:48:44pm

re: #187 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't ya get it?!?!? They're evils I tell ya! And I hears they're gonna go after our precious bodily fluids!! ! Quick, protect the womens!!

200 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:48:51pm

re: #198 RogueOne

Breitbart says yes, Acorn says no. Who you gonna believe?

None. Show me the complete, unedited raws.

201 Charpete67  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:48:52pm

re: #173 MandyManners

I'm still not buying it...ACORN is a good and honorable organization.

202 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:49:05pm

re: #190 cliffster

The guy going to jail is only important because of the blood in the water he stirred up. Say what you want, if there never was blood in the water to begin with (as was maintained), then him going to jail is a non-story.

If any joe blow who's associated with one political "movement" was busted for trying to wiretap the office of a congressperson, it would be news. Regardless of his past instance of stirring it up.

203 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:49:13pm

CNN has it now as well: cnn.com

204 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:49:27pm

re: #194 SteveC

Heh I almost took the extra two minutes and did them all.

205 SteveC  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:49:40pm

re: #187 SanFranciscoZionist

Give me evidence. I'm still waiting to hear about the mysterious extra vote machine, but the last time I asked for a link, the poster wandered away on me.

He actually went to *get* the mysterious extra vote machine and show it to you, but before he got back to where it was stored...

... those crafty ACORN folks had moved it!

///

206 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:49:44pm

re: #106 Guanxi88

Double windsor, my friend, and don't be afraid to have the shirt-side end of the tie remarkably short, if that's what it takes to get a nice, symmetrical, collar-filling knot. And don't forget the divot in the front.

The point of the knot should come as close to needle-sharp as possible without distorting the fabric of the tie.

Oh, good - i thought for a second that you might be a skinny tie guy. symmetrical and collar-filling are absolutely the hallmark of a good knot in my book.

And the third piece of a 3pc suit lets you dispense with worrying about the length of either end of the tie, among other things. Sometimes three pieces are overkill, but when it's not, i go there.

207 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:49:53pm

re: #176 DaddyG

Cant agree with you there. I have yet to come up with a scenareo where giving a single sentence of tax advice to a pimp who wants to import child prostitutes can be put in context.

She was confused and wanted the guy to go away. That's the context. The context is "I'm a low level employee, I don't want trouble and I don't know what to do." I saw no conspiratorial intent, I saw a baffled person who didn't seem very bright.

208 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:50:07pm

re: #160 cliffster

The attempted tapping of the office of a government official is a snoozer?

209 DaddyG  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:50:13pm

re: #191 Guanxi88

But that makes you a racist. Any community organizer will tell you that.


Yup- I hate the race of consultants that make a living off of giving obvious advice to NGOs and local governments.

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:50:31pm

re: #190 cliffster

The guy going to jail is only important because of the blood in the water he stirred up. Say what you want, if there never was blood in the water to begin with (as was maintained), then him going to jail is a non-story.

It's kind of fun, though.

211 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:50:37pm

re: #198 RogueOne

Breitbart says yes, Acorn says no. Who you gonna believe?

Breitbart is not credible. No, they have not been released, until an actual news source can hold them up.

212 SteveC  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:50:44pm

re: #198 RogueOne

Breitbart says yes, Acorn says no. Who you gonna believe?

*Shakes Magic 8 ball* Unclear at this time

213 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:51:04pm

re: #189 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Which are being investigated by the proper authorities using legal means, not Captain Dipshit and the Troof Brigade sneaking around with hidden cameras and bad costumes.

No, it was NOT investigated by the police. ACORN hushed it up for years.

214 Buck  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:51:12pm

re: #19 BunnyThief

This is so WTF I wanna invoke the 48-hour rule. This is as mind-bogglingly inexplicable as the "we just won a default judgment against the Black Panthers for voter intimidation, but we're gonna throw away that conviction and drop the whole case."

There HAS to be one hell of a story behind all this. This is just too, too, too bizarre at this point. It's a quintessential "non sequitur" situation.

I agree. Maybe a different "James O’Keefe"?

It was a different Bertha Lewis?

215 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:51:45pm

re: #214 Buck

Sorry but that one made me laugh. Nice.

216 DaddyG  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:51:54pm

re: #196 WindUpBird

Can I dismiss the entire GOP as completely rotten because of the actions of individual members of the GOP?

It'll probably get you a following of Loyal Left Leaning Lizards. (Not that it's an excuse for the wingnuts mind you...)

217 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:52:07pm

re: #215 Locker

Sorry but that one made me laugh. Nice.

Seconded.

218 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:52:16pm

re: #208 Obdicut

The attempted tapping of the office of a government official is a snoozer?

If Obdicut was caught tapping the office of a government official, it wouldn't make page 1, page 15, or page 1000.

219 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:52:16pm

re: #201 Charpete67

I'm still not buying it...ACORN is a good and honorable organization.

Seriously?

220 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:52:36pm

ACORN's business model and management certainly raise a lot of eyebrows and there are numerous unanswered questions which are being looked at through a variety of State and Federal investigations. ACORNs internal reviews prove nothing and as much as ACORN haters wish otherwise, the O'Keefe videos are just as much a load of crap as well.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:52:49pm

re: #214 Buck

I agree. Maybe a different "James O’Keefe"?

It was a different Bertha Lewis?

Maybe the Bertha Lewis from ACORN dressed up like James O'Keefe to tap Landrieu's office...no, this is too complicated.

222 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:53:04pm

re: #218 cliffster

On what basis are you asserting that? Do you think this is a regular crime or something that happens a lot and so we don't hear about the ordinary examples?

223 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:53:30pm

re: #218 cliffster

If Obdicut was caught tapping the office of a government official, it wouldn't make page 1, page 15, or page 1000.

When did obdicut stop bugging his local representatives office?//

224 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:53:38pm

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

ACORN's business model and management certainly raise a lot of eyebrows and there are numerous unanswered questions which are being looked at through a variety of State and Federal investigations. ACORNs internal reviews prove nothing and as much as ACORN haters wish otherwise, the O'Keefe videos are just as much a load of crap as well.

As illustrated by No. 173, ACORN's internal procedures are worthless.

225 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:53:44pm

re: #57 MandyManners

No criminal intent? The act itself proves intent.

What was their intent? What were they trying to do? What was their goal? What was their plan?

I'm not saying that they didn't break any laws. I am not arguing that they didn't. I'm saying that I simply can't figure out what the idea behind the whole thing was. I've run a few scenarios, and none of 'em fits the known facts.

That's why I tossed out the possibility that they plead some kind of diminished capacity. Nothing about it makes any sense whatsoever.

I wanna see the case made against these knuckleheads. I wanna see the prosecutor explain just what the hell they intended to do -- not just spell out what they did do.

There's gotta be an amazing story behind what they planned... and "amazing" includes "so laughably stupid, I'm gonna be snorting over this one for weeks."

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:53:48pm

re: #218 cliffster

If Obdicut was caught tapping the office of a government official, it wouldn't make page 1, page 15, or page 1000.

I think it would make at least the back inner page of the national news.

I say at least, because we don't know who Obdicut really is. What if he's really Michelle Obama?

227 keloyd  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:53:52pm

re: #77 lrsshadow

Re the two ACORN story reactions, I'm not convinced that the ACORN staff were really seriously talking about enabling a child prostitution ring. The clips I saw showed an amused ACORN lady who was playing along with some kids who had dressed up as pimps, but not really in a convincing manner. One can say " the underage girl is a performance artist on her IRS form" without really meaning it, the way I have posted some dry witty things here then got downdinged by people who thought I was deadly serious.

Your point about Charles ignoring one story and posting the other is valid. However, the party out of power always has the most noisy lunatic fringe. This "reporter" also used some really poor judgement, which is more of a story than his political slant, so you have an apple/orange comparison. For now, Charles is focused on the hard right's hysterics. Any blog run by one person will give more attention to the set of things that interest that person. If Charles hired a staff of dozens, he could turn this place into FARK, but you can't out-FARK FARK.

228 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:54:05pm

re: #216 DaddyG

It'll probably get you a following of Loyal Left Leaning Lizards. (Not that it's an excuse for the wingnuts mind you...)

He already has a following but currently it's just us in the Wind Up Toy Fan Club. /

229 DaddyG  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:54:23pm

re: #207 WindUpBird

She was confused and wanted the guy to go away. That's the context. The context is "I'm a low level employee, I don't want trouble and I don't know what to do." I saw no conspiratorial intent, I saw a baffled person who didn't seem very bright.


So it took training for ACORN workers in several cities to know how to tell white suburban kids dressed like "Huggy Bear" and Brittany to "go away".

I'm not shedding tears for ACORN of OKeefe.

230 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:54:31pm

re: #208 Obdicut

The attempted tapping of the office of a government official is a snoozer?

Got to spice it up a little to sell it. Change "bumbling incompetents who think they're reporters" to "Elite team of Zombie Ninja Cyborg Pirates" and we got a Hollywood Summer Blockbuster on our hands.

/

231 webevintage  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:54:36pm

Sound like someone might have watched to many "spy" shows on TV...

232 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:54:41pm

re: #225 BunnyThief

What was their intent? What were they trying to do? What was their goal? What was their plan?

I'm not saying that they didn't break any laws. I am not arguing that they didn't. I'm saying that I simply can't figure out what the idea behind the whole thing was. I've run a few scenarios, and none of 'em fits the known facts.

That's why I tossed out the possibility that they plead some kind of diminished capacity. Nothing about it makes any sense whatsoever.

I wanna see the case made against these knuckleheads. I wanna see the prosecutor explain just what the hell they intended to do -- not just spell out what they did do.

There's gotta be an amazing story behind what they planned... and "amazing" includes "so laughably stupid, I'm gonna be snorting over this one for weeks."

Diminished Capacity - now that made me laugh.

233 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:54:47pm

Rathke never even paid back the money he stole. An anonymous donor's paid it.

234 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:54:50pm

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't be. I barely have any fresh vegetables in the fridge and the guys at Free Republic aren't scared of me.

235 SteveC  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:54:54pm

re: #225 BunnyThief

What was their intent? What were they trying to do? What was their goal? What was their plan?

"The same thing we do every night, Pinky - try to take over the world."

236 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:55:17pm

re: #224 MandyManners

As illustrated by No. 173, ACORN's internal procedures are worthless.

Obviously.

237 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:55:18pm

re: #225 BunnyThief

Diminished capacity?

238 Charpete67  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:55:18pm

re: #219 MandyManners

Seriously?

no...I'm just laughing at people trying to defend ACORN. As you pointed out, it's not just the videos, there is tons of stuff. Why do you think they went to ACORN offices in the first place? You rob banks because that's where the money is.

ACORN is corrupt from the top down. Are there good people at ACORN?...of course. Have they done some good things?...of course. Generally speaking, could anyone without a political axe to grind say they are a good organization?...no way.

239 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:55:22pm

re: #235 SteveC

1 Up for Pinky Reference.

240 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:55:27pm

re: #208 Obdicut

The attempted tapping of the office of a government official is a snoozer?

The Cliffster sadly and desperately wishes that it were a "snoozer" to wiretap a FUCKING UNITED STATES SENATOR.

Which honestly seems pretty insane to me to believe such a thing. If someone were wiretapping a senator, Dem or Republican, I'd say that's front page news.

But the tribalism runs to the core in some people, so...

241 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:55:27pm

OK, llrshadow, proof that ACORN stole the election for Franken? Because I'm tired of being promised mystery machines that don't materialize.

242 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:55:33pm

re: #195 RogueOne

You might want to pick someone else for your example:
[Link: www.thedailyshow.com...]

Damn it, I'm so certain that they had a bit on the voter registration bit, but maybe you're right I might have read about it on some liberal blog before hand... good show until I find the free time to go through their archives day by day just to be 100% certain.

243 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:55:39pm

re: #229 DaddyG

So it took training for ACORN workers in several cities to know how to tell white suburban kids dressed like "Huggy Bear" and Brittany to "go away".

I'm not shedding tears for ACORN of OKeefe.

That Huggy Bear outfit is going to make him REAL popular in jail.

244 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:55:45pm

re: #231 webevintage

Sound like someone might have watched to many "spy" shows on TV...

I blame McGyver.

245 Blueheron  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:55:48pm

re: #192 Locker

In other words no one with judicial authority.

246 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:56:07pm

re: #231 webevintage

Sound like someone might have watched to many "spy" shows on TV...

Too bad the police stopped them before they could pop their cyanide capsules.

//

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:56:10pm

re: #227 keloyd

Re the two ACORN story reactions, I'm not convinced that the ACORN staff were really seriously talking about enabling a child prostitution ring. The clips I saw showed an amused ACORN lady who was playing along with some kids who had dressed up as pimps, but not really in a convincing manner. One can say " the underage girl is a performance artist on her IRS form" without really meaning it, the way I have posted some dry witty things here then got downdinged by people who thought I was deadly serious.

Your point about Charles ignoring one story and posting the other is valid. However, the party out of power always has the most noisy lunatic fringe. This "reporter" also used some really poor judgement, which is more of a story than his political slant, so you have an apple/orange comparison. For now, Charles is focused on the hard right's hysterics. Any blog run by one person will give more attention to the set of things that interest that person. If Charles hired a staff of dozens, he could turn this place into FARK, but you can't out-FARK FARK.

Those kids would have scared me. They were so obviously lying about who they were, and they were...weird.

248 DaddyG  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:56:35pm

re: #232 Stanley Sea

Diminished Capacity - now that made me laugh.


We already covered that on the last thread. /

249 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:56:39pm

re: #190 cliffster

Trying to tap a US Senator's office is always a story.

250 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:56:46pm

re: #157 SteveC

How did Southern Cal football get in this discussion?

Because we like to taunt Tennessee fans...

**cringes**

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:56:51pm

re: #234 Obdicut

I can't be. I barely have any fresh vegetables in the fridge and the guys at Free Republic aren't scared of me.

But do you have fabulously toned arms?

252 Buck  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:56:53pm

re: #233 MandyManners

Rathke never even paid back the money he stole. An anonymous donor's paid it.

AND that means he got away with NOT paying taxes on $1,000,000.

253 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:57:15pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, llrshadow, proof that ACORN stole the election for Franken? Because I'm tired of being promised mystery machines that don't materialize.

Ernst Stavro Blofeld - "An excellent question. And one which will be hanging on the lips of the world quite soon. If I were to break the news to anyone it would be to you first, Mr Bond, you know that."
;)

254 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:57:16pm

re: #242 jamesfirecat

Damn it, I'm so certain that they had a bit on the voter registration bit, but maybe you're right I might have read about it on some liberal blog before hand... good show until I find the free time to go through their archives day by day just to be 100% certain.

as an added bonus, he has a bit with M. Malkin at the end.

255 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:57:34pm

re: #238 Charpete67

no...I'm just laughing at people trying to defend ACORN. As you pointed out, it's not just the videos, there is tons of stuff. Why do you think they went to ACORN offices in the first place? You rob banks because that's where the money is.

ACORN is corrupt from the top down. Are there good people at ACORN?...of course. Have they done some good things?...of course. Generally speaking, could anyone without a political axe to grind say they are a good organization?...no way.

I think they went to ACORN offices because ACORN is the de facto whipping boy for the right. Gotta pander to your base, don't you know. And I HIGHLY dispute your "corrupt from the top down" statement. Mismanagement is not corruption.

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:57:53pm

Later all. I gotta go downstairs.

257 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:57:55pm

re: #237 MandyManners

Diminished capacity?

"Your honor, it seemed like a good idea when we were drunk/stoned/suffering from CO2 poisoning..."

258 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:58:06pm
259 SteveC  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:58:26pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, llrshadow, proof that ACORN stole the election for Franken? Because I'm tired of being promised mystery machines that don't materialize.

Mystery Machine

260 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:58:28pm

re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it would make at least the back inner page of the national news.

I say at least, because we don't know who Obdicut really is. What if he's really Michelle Obama?

Maybe Obdicut is Rahm Emanuel?

261 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:58:36pm

re: #161 Varek Raith

lrsshadow, have the raw 'acorn sting' vids been released?

yep please see my post # 258

262 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:58:47pm

re: #229 DaddyG

So it took training for ACORN workers in several cities to know how to tell white suburban kids dressed like "Huggy Bear" and Brittany to "go away".

I'm not shedding tears for ACORN of OKeefe.

You want that woman to be some cosmic collective-unconscious representative for ACORN. I'm saying she is not, she's just a bad employee who was harrassed by racist criminals.

263 Charpete67  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:58:49pm

re: #255 Locker

really?...then maybe Enron was just "mis-managed"...the head of ACORN walked away with a cool million.

264 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:58:58pm

re: #245 Blueheron

In other words no one with judicial authority.

Yea you need an actual criminal charge to end up under judicial authority, not just a bunch of slanderous comments from right wing reps and blogs.

265 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:59:00pm

re: #240 WindUpBird

The Cliffster sadly and desperately wishes that it were a "snoozer" to wiretap a FUCKING UNITED STATES SENATOR.

Which honestly seems pretty insane to me to believe such a thing. If someone were wiretapping a senator, Dem or Republican, I'd say that's front page news.

But the tribalism runs to the core in some people, so...

You notice that most other people in here are not fucking assholes? Why do you insist on being one?

266 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:59:04pm

re: #258 lrsshadow

Why should I believe a partisan hack, Breitbart, over another partisan group, acorn?

267 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 2:59:51pm

re: #137 lrsshadow

Well we know them well in Minnesota as there operatives were able to find enough votes in the trunks of their cars to overturn the election to Franken.

I don't particularly care for Franken (though he's turning out to not be as bad as many here feared, not a small feat given the track record of other Minnesota politicians such as Ventura and Bachmann), but you're being more than a little disingenuous and insulting.

268 SteveC  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:00:01pm

re: #253 Varek Raith

Ernst Stavro Blofeld - "An excellent question. And one which will be hanging on the lips of the world quite soon. If I were to break the news to anyone it would be to you first, Mr Bond, you know that."
;)

Upding... James Upding!

269 fizzlogic  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:00:31pm

re: #250 Aceofwhat?

Don't taunt Tennessee fans. They once threw a Gator fan off the top of their stadium killing him.

270 HalcyonS  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:00:53pm
re: #125 Varek Raith

Have the raw 'acorn sting' vids ever been released?

From what I understand no, but strangely enough they apparently had the partial transcripts available that contradict their claims about what the video's show.

The transcripts show...

271 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:00:54pm

re: #268 SteveC

Upding... James Upding!

A.C.O.R.N. = S.P.E.C.T.R.E. in the eyes of some on the right. I'm just having fun with this perception. :D

272 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:01:06pm

re: #263 Charpete67

really?...then maybe Enron was just "mis-managed"...the head of ACORN walked away with a cool million.

So someone embezzling from an organization means the organization itself is corrupt from the top down? If so then every organization which ever had someone embezzle money fits your definition.

273 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:01:18pm

re: #240 WindUpBird

Hey, what I said is what you said, but without insulting Ciffster. See how that works? You don't actually need to include jabs and jibes.

I don't dispute your right to sling jabs, but can you not piggyback off of my posts when I'm avoiding doing so?

274 DaddyG  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:01:20pm

Never mind the fact that OKeefe was caught doing a dirty deed not Breitbart. We might want to hold back a bit on Breitbarts conviction. Especially in light of the latitude we're giving ACORN since there haven't been any convictions (yet).

275 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:01:21pm

re: #269 trendsurfer

Don't taunt Tennessee fans. They once threw a Gator fan off the top of their stadium killing him.

I bow my head at the memory. Although I don't remember that.

276 Blueheron  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:01:28pm

re: #264 Locker

Yea you need an actual criminal charge to end up under judicial authority, not just a bunch of slanderous comments from right wing reps and blogs.

Why didn't someone in a judicial capacity take a look at what was going on? They haven't.
That doesn't mean Acorn has been cleared.

277 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:01:53pm

re: #273 Obdicut

Hey, what I said is what you said, but without insulting Ciffster. See how that works? You don't actually need to include jabs and jibes.

I don't dispute your right to sling jabs, but can you not piggyback off of my posts when I'm avoiding doing so?

Thank you, Obdicut.

278 SteveC  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:01:57pm

re: #271 Varek Raith

A.C.O.R.N. = S.P.E.C.T.R.E. in the eyes of some on the right. I'm just having fun with this perception. :D

G.O.P. = Man from U.N.C.L.E.? We're doomed!

279 DaddyG  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:02:05pm

re: #269 trendsurfer

Don't taunt Tennessee fans. They once threw a Gator fan off the top of their stadium killing him.


He was asking for it with that stupid Alligator foam hat. /

280 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:02:06pm
281 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:02:06pm

re: #195 RogueOne

You might want to pick someone else for your example:
[Link: www.thedailyshow.com...]

No wait, here!

Here's a reference to ACORN before the Ho thing!

282 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:02:07pm

re: #250 Aceofwhat?

Because we like to taunt Tennessee fans...

**cringes**

*WHACK*

283 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:02:29pm

re: #260 Alouette

Maybe Obdicut is Rahm Emanuel?

Obdicut right now has too much work for his poor hands to handle, and has to duck out again. It's kind of a crisis over here, and you know what I say.

/

My name's Tom, though.

284 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:02:37pm

re: #252 Buck

AND that means he got away with NOT paying taxes on $1,000,000.

Gee. Give him a spot in the Cabinet.

285 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:02:41pm

re: #266 Varek Raith

Why should I believe a partisan hack, Breitbart, over another partisan group, acorn?

Last time I checked Breitbart isn't receiving millions of dollars from the taxpayers and he is not poised to receive billions in the future, but any how there is enough illegal activity being investigated on ACORN to warrant a full congressional investigation even without the prostitution videos.

286 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:02:52pm

re: #198 RogueOne

Breitbart says yes, Acorn says no. Who you gonna believe?

It's like the old saying, "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

;-P

287 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:03:17pm

re: #263 Charpete67

really?...then maybe Enron was just "mis-managed"...the head of ACORN walked away with a cool million.

No. His brother did.

288 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:03:31pm

JD Hayworth just said on Hardball that Obama should show his birth certificate. He danced around whether he should be forced to show it.

How long of a clip am I allowed to post on YOUTUBE before they get all pissy about copyright laws?

289 acacia  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:03:34pm

re: #55 Locker

I can't believe that it's against the law as there would be absolutely no expectation of privacy for the workers. The client would have an expectation but the client was the one recording. I also can't believe there isn't an exception for reporters or uncovering crime. But, maybe it is and if so, it's a ridiculous law. On the other hand, wiretapping is bad because no one involved in the communication has consented to the recording. That really is an invasion of privacy.

290 keloyd  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:03:34pm

re: #209 DaddyG

You may dig on Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, link. I'm not sure where the line is between real injustice and an author who maybe exaggerated and had some substance abuse issues. Also, he is mediocre as a writer, but the subject is not covered as thoroughly anywhere else, to my knowledge.

291 SteveC  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:03:39pm

re: #282 MandyManners

*WHACK*

And there's a drive to deep right field...

292 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:03:48pm

re: #276 Blueheron

Why didn't someone in a judicial capacity take a look at what was going on? They haven't.
That doesn't mean Acorn has been cleared.

It doesn't mean ACORN is cleared because someone with judicial capacity didn't take a look at a situation in which no criminal charges were filed?

I'm not following your logic as all I'm reading here is "just because they didn't find anything doesn't mean there isn't something there". Which just seems to be wishful thinking.

293 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:04:17pm

re: #265 cliffster

You notice that most other people in here are not fucking assholes? Why do you insist on being one?

You insist on saying completely ridiculous things. Just like I'm also an asshole to people who suggest that I be stalked on the internet. You are whitewashing something that is completely abominable.

294 shiplord kirel  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:04:21pm

What a pack of dunces. James Bond they're not. I wouldn't expect them to do something cool like run a surplus periscope into Landrieu's office from a secret underground reservoir, but the average couch-potato spy-thriller fan, let alone the average (or even below-average) spy, would know better than to try a stunt like this.
Btw, James is indeed a fictional character but he has some analogs. I've met a few of them over the years. They do not work for wingnut media.

295 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:04:27pm

re: #280 Doug Wild

Are you for real?

296 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:05:28pm

re: #295 MandyManners

Are you for real?

Has to be some kind of stupid fucking joke.

297 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:05:38pm

re: #295 MandyManners

Are you for real?

I thought that at first, but on the second read I came to the conclusion that it was a joke. A pretty stupid one, but a joke nonetheless.

298 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:05:42pm

re: #295 MandyManners

Are you for real?

I reckon not.

299 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:05:53pm

re: #196 WindUpBird

Is ACORN rotten or are people who work for ACORN rotten? I generally assume any voter registration or signature gathering organization will have people who are padding signatures, they're poor people, they get paid by the signatures, they want to make money.

Can I dismiss the entire GOP as completely rotten because of the actions of individual members of the GOP? Can I dismiss everything a company has done as rotten because one or several of their low level employees broke the law? I've worked for health care organizations where my managers have committed fraud. And were fired for it and brought up on charges. Does that mean the work I do and that my company does is invalid? Does that mean it's rotten?

Anxiously awaiting your reply. 8-)

I'm sure there are some decent people in ACORN. But as the saying goes, it's a shame that 99% of them make the 1% decent folks look bad.

That's probably a bit of hyperbole, but look at the evidence.

The people at the top spent YEARS concealing a million-dollar embezzlement from both the authorities and the people at ACORN who the concealers were legally and morally obligated to report it to.

Their voter registration model is so horrifically flawed that it encourages its employees to commit rampant voter registration fraud, and they have shown absolutely no interest in fixing it (performing their own quality checks, setting up serious punishments for those caught faking forms, etc. etc.)

They started up a program to break into and squat in foreclosed homes in an attempt to intimidate banks into not reclaiming properties.

They organized bus tours of bankers' homes for their people, so they would know exactly where to find them (and their families) for more intimidation.

And look into the history of the Working Families Party in New York, ACORN's puppet to let them get involved in elections directly...

Yes, I say ACORN is rotten as hell and should be abolished. I'd like to see many of them sent to prison for their assault on our democratic system.

That the answer you were so eager for, WindUp?

300 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:06:03pm

re: #295 MandyManners

Are you for real?

I miss that's Mr. President to you..Very witty...
seemed like the same process

301 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:06:26pm

re: #296 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Has to be some kind of stupid fucking joke.

re: #297 Soap_Man

I thought that at first, but on the second read I came to the conclusion that it was a joke. A pretty stupid one, but a joke nonetheless.

The bit about Palin signing the checks gave it away on second reading.

302 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:06:46pm

re: #285 lrsshadow

Doesn't change the fact that Breitbart is a partisan hack. I'll need independently confirmed, complete, raw and unedited vids of the 'acorn sting' before I pay them any heed.

303 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:06:53pm

re: #273 Obdicut

Hey, what I said is what you said, but without insulting Ciffster. See how that works? You don't actually need to include jabs and jibes.

I don't dispute your right to sling jabs, but can you not piggyback off of my posts when I'm avoiding doing so?

Fair enough. I just get real frustrated and tired of the "hey, the most insane crimes are fine as long as it's against democrats" thing. What would have happened if a state secret were revealed by that pimp guy? Boggles my mind.

304 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:06:54pm

re: #269 trendsurfer

Don't taunt Tennessee fans. They once threw a Gator fan off the top of their stadium killing him.

Mandy hasn't beaten me audibly yet today. I figured i was due.

305 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:06:59pm

re: #300 HoosierHoops

I miss that's Mr. President to you..Very witty...
seemed like the same process

And the take off on Glenn Beck.

306 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:07:08pm

re: #267 talon_262

I don't particularly care for Franken (though he's turning out to not be as bad as many here feared, not a small feat given the track record of other Minnesota politicians such as Ventura and Bachmann), but you're being more than a little disingenuous and insulting.

well here is why I think that;

Way more votes changed hands in Franken vs Coleman then all other audit changes in the 2008 election for Minnesota combined, many officials found hundreds of absently ballots in their personal cars that they forgot. The Secretary of State (supported by ACORN in his election) was the presiding secretary of state.

Here is a good article from the WSJ summarizing the event;

"Up in Two Harbors, another liberal outpost, Mr. Franken picked up an additional 246 votes. In Partridge Township, he racked up another 100. Election officials in both places claim they initially miscommunicated the numbers."

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

307 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:07:26pm

re: #293 WindUpBird

You insist on saying completely ridiculous things. Just like I'm also an asshole to people who suggest that I be stalked on the internet. You are whitewashing something that is completely abominable.

You fling personal insults at people that you disagree with. You can rationalize it all you want to. Perhaps, instead of trying to convince yourself that you're not being an asshole because of this or that, you should just quit being an asshole.

308 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:07:38pm

re: #301 MandyManners

The bit about Palin signing the checks gave it away on second reading.

Right, and the bit about how she only has six seats on her private jet. I'm still not sure what the purpose of the whole thing was though.

309 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:07:47pm

re: #304 Aceofwhat?

Mandy hasn't beaten me audibly yet today. I figured i was due.

It's coming.

310 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:08:04pm

re: #272 Locker

So someone embezzling from an organization means the organization itself is corrupt from the top down? If so then every organization which ever had someone embezzle money fits your definition.

"It's not the crime, it's the coverup."

It wasn't the embezzlement. It was that the people who discovered that Wade Rathke's brother had stolen the money then conspired among themselves to cover up the theft from both the authorities and the rest of ACORN's board of directors until someone (besides the thief) could repay the money.

311 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:08:17pm

re: #289 acacia

I can't believe that it's against the law as there would be absolutely no expectation of privacy for the workers. The client would have an expectation but the client was the one recording. I also can't believe there isn't an exception for reporters or uncovering crime. But, maybe it is and if so, it's a ridiculous law. On the other hand, wiretapping is bad because no one involved in the communication has consented to the recording. That really is an invasion of privacy.

It's against the law in Pennsylvania to tape someone without their knowledge.

rawstory.com - Fox analyst: ACORN worker's lawsuit 'absolutely' has merit

In a heated discussion on Fox & Friends, former prosecutor Arthur Aidala told host Gretchen Carlson that, under Pennsylvania law, it is illegal to record someone without their knowledge. He also said that because the filmmakers were there ostensibly to get financial advice, ACORN staff had a reasonable expectation of privacy that the filmmakers violated.

312 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:08:19pm

Okay how do I upding a monitor Lizard?
Uh, like this maybe-Thank you Re: #280

313 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:08:21pm

re: #302 Varek Raith

Doesn't change the fact that Breitbart is a partisan hack. I'll need independently confirmed, complete, raw and unedited vids of the 'acorn sting' before I pay them any heed.

Here is the link again for the NY transcript. [Link: biggovernment.com...]

314 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:08:28pm

re: #308 Soap_Man

Right, and the bit about how she only has six seats on her private jet. I'm still not sure what the purpose of the whole thing was though.

I'm scratching my head still.

315 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:08:36pm

re: #303 WindUpBird

Fair enough. I just get real frustrated and tired of the "hey, the most insane crimes are fine as long as it's against democrats" thing. What would have happened if a state secret were revealed by that pimp guy? Boggles my mind.

You really think they're going to let someone from Arkansas know actual state secrets?

316 SteveC  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:09:00pm

re: #302 Varek Raith

Doesn't change the fact that Breitbart is a partisan hack. I'll need independently confirmed, complete, raw and unedited vids of the 'acorn sting' before I pay them any heed.

A little Aloe Vera, a bandage, and a couple of aspirin will cure that ACORN sting, you know.

317 Blueheron  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:09:03pm

re: #292 Locker

It doesn't mean ACORN is cleared because someone with judicial capacity didn't take a look at a situation in which no criminal charges were filed?

I'm not following your logic as all I'm reading here is "just because they didn't find anything doesn't mean there isn't something there". Which just seems to be wishful thinking.

It appears as if there were illegal acts going on in offices paid for partially by our tax money.
Why hasn't Holder and the Justice Department looked into it..............oh yeah.......never mind.

318 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:09:24pm

re: #303 WindUpBird

Fair enough. I just get real frustrated and tired of the "hey, the most insane crimes are fine as long as it's against democrats" thing. What would have happened if a state secret were revealed by that pimp guy? Boggles my mind.

Everyone gets frustrated with some things some other people say on here. 99.9% of the people here do not start flinging around insults and making personal attacks. I would urge you to learn to be like that.

319 Charpete67  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:09:24pm

re: #310 BunnyThief

"It's not the crime, it's the coverup."

It wasn't the embezzlement. It was that the people who discovered that Wade Rathke's brother had stolen the money then conspired among themselves to cover up the theft from both the authorities and the rest of ACORN's board of directors until someone (besides the thief) could repay the money.

and...it's not the only issue they have...that's why it's corrupt from the top down...

320 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:09:28pm

re: #315 RogueOne

You really think they're going to let someone from Arkansas know actual state secrets?

Bill knew a few.

321 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:10:14pm

re: #320 MandyManners

Bill knew a few.

So does his wife. I didn't think it needed sarc tags/

322 Blueheron  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:10:29pm

re: #303 WindUpBird

Fair enough. I just get real frustrated and tired of the "hey, the most insane crimes are fine as long as it's against democrats" thing. What would have happened if a state secret were revealed by that pimp guy? Boggles my mind.

Why? New York Times did it all the time. /

323 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:10:40pm

re: #320 MandyManners

Bill knew a few.

Hell, Bill was responsible for a few.

324 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:10:42pm

Looking at the Federal law (IANAL)

It looks like if this is his first offense for wiretapping, he'll get fined or up to a year in prison, if it's not his first offense he can get up to 5 years in prison. (caveat, it's from 2000, not sure if there have been chances with the PATRIOT Act etc)

As far as what he was charged with currently, "entering federal property under false pretenses with the intent of committing a felony" oh wow, they're looking up to 10 years in prison for this one 18 USC 1036 (a)(1) and 1036 (b)(1) I don't know what sentencing guidelines would say for the fact that they could be convicted of both. and therefore have consecutive sentences.

325 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:10:46pm

re: #273 Obdicut

Hey, what I said is what you said, but without insulting Ciffster. See how that works? You don't actually need to include jabs and jibes.

I don't dispute your right to sling jabs, but can you not piggyback off of my posts when I'm avoiding doing so?

You're a class act, Obicut.

And I have to agree with you and disagree with Cliffster on this one - definitely NOT a snoozer. This was an idiotic ploy, and those involved ought to have the book thrown at 'em for whatever laws they broke.

We cannot be OK with citizens tapping the phones of any of our elected officials. If O'Keefe had any credibility whatsoever (and he didn't), he just lost it completely.

326 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:11:40pm

re: #313 lrsshadow

Again, why should I trust this? How do I know it wasn't edited?

327 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:11:59pm

re: #321 RogueOne

So does his wife. I didn't think it needed sarc tags/

She's not from there. She's from Illinois.

328 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:12:25pm

re: #257 BunnyThief

"Your honor, it seemed like a good idea when we were drunk/stoned/suffering from CO2 poisoning..."

"It seemed like a good idea at the time," is not actually a legal defense in the United States. Although many are the folks who wish it were.

329 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:12:39pm

re: #321 RogueOne

So does his wife. I didn't think it needed sarc tags/

I was just being a smart ass.

330 DaddyG  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:12:41pm

re: #311 Locker

An office where someone routinely does public business does not constitute a reasonable expectation of privacy. I know I looked up the Georgia law to find out if Icould get my neighbor to stop putting his security camera in the pool area of our neighborhood. He says he's monitoring for security - I think he's got issues with girls in bikinis...

331 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:12:52pm

re: #259 SteveC

Mystery Machine

I knew I could count on you!

332 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:13:04pm

re: #323 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hell, Bill was responsible for a few.

For a few cigars, too.

333 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:13:15pm

re: #327 MandyManners

She's not from there. She's from Illinois.

Oh yeah! Nice try, you start losing brain cells the moment you move to arkansas. She was there more than long enough to qualify.///

334 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:13:32pm

These guys are in big trouble. FBI, wire taping, Senator's office, etc. If found guilty they're looking at felonies and years of prison.

335 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:13:44pm

re: #299 BunnyThief

I'm sure there are some decent people in ACORN. But as the saying goes, it's a shame that 99% of them make the 1% decent folks look bad.

That's probably a bit of hyperbole, but look at the evidence.

The people at the top spent YEARS concealing a million-dollar embezzlement from both the authorities and the people at ACORN who the concealers were legally and morally obligated to report it to.

Their voter registration model is so horrifically flawed that it encourages its employees to commit rampant voter registration fraud, and they have shown absolutely no interest in fixing it (performing their own quality checks, setting up serious punishments for those caught faking forms, etc. etc.)

They started up a program to break into and squat in foreclosed homes in an attempt to intimidate banks into not reclaiming properties.

They organized bus tours of bankers' homes for their people, so they would know exactly where to find them (and their families) for more intimidation.

And look into the history of the Working Families Party in New York, ACORN's puppet to let them get involved in elections directly...

Yes, I say ACORN is rotten as hell and should be abolished. I'd like to see many of them sent to prison for their assault on our democratic system.

That the answer you were so eager for, WindUp?

Got any links for that 99% statistic? 8-)

What you are saying is that ACORN is mismanaged, which is fine. I agree! But you're also claiming that it's their system that allows registration fraud. No. It's OUR system that allows registration fraud. It's America's system. And I distinctly remember Charles doing a post on how there's been no evidence that the proverbial "Donald Duck" voter registrations resulted in actual VOTER fraud. Basically, with regard to the registration fraud, you're pointing out that ACORN doesn't supervise its employees properly, which is true, and you're treating that like it's some terrifying and monstrous sin. Which it isn't. It's negligence.

Registration fraud? Not that significant. VOTER fraud? Significant. And I'm not exactly crying for multinational banks these days. If you want to, that's up to you. And is the tours of banker's homes thing illegal? I don't remember earing anything to that effect.

336 Locker  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:13:46pm

re: #299 BunnyThief

You really stretch your text out to make it look like there is more content than there really is don't you. Your examples to prove that ACORN is rotten as hell are basically:

- A minority of bottom level staff registering false names.
- Squatting in foreclosed homes.
- A bus tour

Now lets look at what ACORNS actual mission priorities are:

- Affordable Housing
- Better Schools
- Fair Housing
- Fair Tax Fees
- Foreclosures
- Gulf Coast Recovery
- Health Care
- Immigration
- Living Wage
- Paid Sick Days
- Predatory Lending
- Utilities
- Voter Engagement

337 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:13:49pm

I can't wait to see Glenn Beck's reporting on this story.

338 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:13:53pm

re: #325 reine.de.tout

You're a class act, Obicut.

And I have to agree with you and disagree with Cliffster on this one - definitely NOT a snoozer. This was an idiotic ploy, and those involved ought to have the book thrown at 'em for whatever laws they broke.

We cannot be OK with citizens tapping the phones of any of our elected officials. If O'Keefe had any credibility whatsoever (and he didn't), he just lost it completely.

Actually, I don't think it's a snoozer, I think it's big news. I thought the ACORN bits were big news. My point was, that if the ACORN bits were not big news, then this would also not be. And he would have rightfully gotten the book thrown at him in complete anonymity.

And, agreed on your Obdicut point as well.

339 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:13:57pm

OT! But important..There are a lot of Lizards here right now.. I have to ask a general question.. I keep getting emails from certain websites with ex-lizards asking me to leave here and join them.. Am I the only one? Does anyone also get the recruiting letters? Is it just aimed at me alone..Or is there a campaign going on? Anyone else?
I would never flounce from LGF..It's blogging home..Anyone else?
/We could start a support group and get money from ACORN.

340 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:14:08pm

re: #324 bloodstar

Looking at the Federal law (IANAL)

It looks like if this is his first offense for wiretapping, he'll get fined or up to a year in prison, if it's not his first offense he can get up to 5 years in prison. (caveat, it's from 2000, not sure if there have been chances with the PATRIOT Act etc)

As far as what he was charged with currently, "entering federal property under false pretenses with the intent of committing a felony" oh wow, they're looking up to 10 years in prison for this one 18 USC 1036 (a)(1) and 1036 (b)(1) I don't know what sentencing guidelines would say for the fact that they could be convicted of both. and therefore have consecutive sentences.

Wow - that's worse than I thought... wonder if they'll be allowed to plead and cut a deal? Wonder who put them up to this?

341 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:14:14pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

I can't wait to see Glenn Beck's reporting on this story.

Conspiracy!

342 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:14:14pm

re: #325 reine.de.tout

You're a class act, Obicut.

And I have to agree with you and disagree with Cliffster on this one - definitely NOT a snoozer. This was an idiotic ploy, and those involved ought to have the book thrown at 'em for whatever laws they broke.

We cannot be OK with citizens tapping the phones of any of our elected officials. If O'Keefe had any credibility whatsoever (and he didn't), he just lost it completely.

The LA connection. Hi Reine! How's it being played on your local news?

343 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:14:46pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

I can't wait to see Glenn Beck's reporting on this story.

I'll bet he cries.

344 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:15:09pm

re: #326 Varek Raith

Again, why should I trust this? How do I know it wasn't edited?

Did you watch the video's? Did you read the transcript? Also if this was all fake then why did the ACORN employees get fired almost immediately?

I think the best thing would be a full blown congressional investigation on all the Illegal activity that ACORN has been up to not just these videos. That way you could have all the neutral facts you need to make up your mind.

345 generalsparky  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:15:14pm

re: #325 reine.de.tout

You're a class act, Obicut.

And I have to agree with you and disagree with Cliffster on this one - definitely NOT a snoozer. This was an idiotic ploy, and those involved ought to have the book thrown at 'em for whatever laws they broke.

We cannot be OK with citizens tapping the phones of any of our elected officials. If O'Keefe had any credibility whatsoever (and he didn't), he just lost it completely.

I agree with you completely!

And I think it is an absolutely shame that Rep. Jim McDermott is still in office after his leaking of an illegal recording between Gingrich and Boehner.

346 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:15:15pm

re: #339 HoosierHoops

OT! But important..There are a lot of Lizards here right now.. I have to ask a general question.. I keep getting emails from certain websites with ex-lizards asking me to leave here and join them.. Am I the only one? Does anyone also get the recruiting letters? Is it just aimed at me alone..Or is there a campaign going on? Anyone else?
I would never flounce from LGF..It's blogging home..Anyone else?
/We could start a support group and get money from ACORN.

How do they have access to your email? Have you posted it here before?

347 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:15:42pm

re: #339 HoosierHoops

OT! But important..There are a lot of Lizards here right now.. I have to ask a general question.. I keep getting emails from certain websites with ex-lizards asking me to leave here and join them.. Am I the only one? Does anyone also get the recruiting letters? Is it just aimed at me alone..Or is there a campaign going on? Anyone else?
I would never flounce from LGF..It's blogging home..Anyone else?
/We could start a support group and get money from ACORN.

Nope, they don't email me.

348 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:16:25pm

*Speaking to O'Keefe*
Ernst Stavro Blofeld - "I may yet surprise you. Unfortunately, I don't think you have any more surprises left for me. I know all about your mission... and your colleague."

349 Blueheron  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:16:32pm

re: #339 HoosierHoops

OT! But important..There are a lot of Lizards here right now.. I have to ask a general question.. I keep getting emails from certain websites with ex-lizards asking me to leave here and join them.. Am I the only one? Does anyone also get the recruiting letters? Is it just aimed at me alone..Or is there a campaign going on? Anyone else?
I would never flounce from LGF..It's blogging home..Anyone else?
/We could start a support group and get money from ACORN.

Cool being recruited by flouncers. And no one has asked me :)

350 bratwurst  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:17:07pm

re: #318 cliffster

Everyone gets frustrated with some things some other people say on here. 99.9% of the people here do not start flinging around insults and making personal attacks. I would urge you to learn to be like that.

I agree, but I would appreciate seeing this pointed out to the small % of those on the right who trade in insults as well as to those on the left.

351 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:17:14pm

re: #345 generalsparky

I agree with you completely!

And I think it is an absolutely shame that Rep. Jim McDermott is still in office after his leaking of an illegal recording between Gingrich and Boehner.

I had forgotten about that. The big difference is McDermott didn't tap gingrich's office and the source he got it from got it OTA.

352 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:17:21pm

Speaking of ex-lizards, here's Ed commenting on Malkin's site....

On January 26th, 2010 at 4:38 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

He had to know he was a target of Obama’s DoJ.


Conspiracy! Oppression!

353 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:17:43pm

re: #346 Soap_Man

How do they have access to your email? Have you posted it here before?

Hell last summer everybody had my email address here..
I was just wondering if other lizards were getting recruiting letters...

354 acacia  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:18:04pm

re: #311 Locker

Apparently it is against the law only if the person being recorded has a reasonable expectation of privacy. Later in the article you linked to another commentator took issue with the first and noted:

But former defense attorney Tom Kenneth argued that ACORN offices are, in effect, public places and ACORN employees don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy. The difference is crucial because under Pennsylvania law, it is illegal to videotape a conversation if the person being videotaped doesn't know about it, and has a "reasonable expectation" of privacy.

I really don't think the employees had any expectation of privacy. The financial issue is a red herring because it was the client's finances and not the employee's. I would be surprised if anything would come of the suit.

356 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:18:16pm

re: #346 Soap_Man

How do they have access to your email? Have you posted it here before?

There's an "LGF Safe" mail feature here. You can turn on email in your profile and the header info gets washed away.

357 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:18:37pm

Another Malkin commenter....

Makes sense, nail the conservative white kids to the wall, let the Black Panthers walk.

Equal justice is a foreign concept in this DoJ.

358 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:18:54pm

re: #334 Gus 802

These guys are in big trouble. FBI, wire taping, Senator's office, etc. If found guilty they're looking at felonies and years of prison.

Maybe when he gets out he can get a job with ACORN.

359 Kragar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:18:54pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

I can't wait to see Glenn Beck's reporting on this story.

"THEY WAS TRAPPED BY THE OLIGARHY!"

360 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:19:05pm

re: #357 Killgore Trout

Another Malkin commenter...

This one just came across Twitter:

James O'Keefe looks a little like Oswald. Just sayin'.

Nanoo, nanoo.

361 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:19:09pm

re: #356 Thanos

There's an "LGF Safe" mail feature here. You can turn on email in your profile and the header info gets washed away.

Oh, okay. The reason I ask is because I want to keep my personal email address, well, personal.

362 generalsparky  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:19:16pm

re: #351 RogueOne

I had forgotten about that. The big difference is McDermott didn't tap gingrich's office and the source he got it from got it OTA.

No but what he did was still an ethics violation and he has had to pay over a million in restitution.

363 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:19:36pm

re: #345 generalsparky

I agree with you completely!

And I think it is an absolutely shame that Rep. Jim McDermott is still in office after his leaking of an illegal recording between Gingrich and Boehner.

Some are more equal than others.

364 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:19:39pm

re: #347 Killgore Trout

Nope, they don't email me.

LOL
I figured Ace or Hot air would love to have you
*wink*

365 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:19:50pm

re: #358 MandyManners

Maybe when he gets out he can get a job with ACORN.

Perhaps. He always seemed kind of sleezy.

366 Blueheron  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:19:52pm

re: #357 Killgore Trout

Another Malkin commenter...

There is truth in that statement.

367 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:19:54pm

re: #360 Gus 802

Lol! The grassy knoll!

368 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:20:21pm

re: #361 Soap_Man

Oh, okay. The reason I ask is because I want to keep my personal email address, well, personal.

It's a good policy

369 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:20:56pm

re: #307 cliffster

You fling personal insults at people that you disagree with. You can rationalize it all you want to. Perhaps, instead of trying to convince yourself that you're not being an asshole because of this or that, you should just quit being an asshole.

No. I snark and toss zings at people who say ridiculous and/or nasty things. Like Albusteve, when he was gleefully celebrating the suicide of Kurt Cobain. To you, because you dismiss an abominable crime committed against a sitting Senator because it doesn't jibe with your partisan wishes. To Tradewind, who perpetuated anti-gay bigotry ion the form of repeating Fistgate. To Mandy, who suggested I be stalked. Who said I claimed I wasn't being an asshole? I am an asshole to those who I feel do not deserve my respect.

I disagree with Cato and Walter and Dark_Falcon. I am civil to them.

370 cosmo  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:21:05pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

How is Breitbart linked? He isn't mentioned anywhere in the affidavit. O'Keefe's ACORN escapades were funded by BigGovernment.com (and appeared to be quite within the law...depending on the state), but I don't see the connection here.

Please cite your source. I'm curious.

FYI: That is THE SHORTEST affidavit I've ever read. Just sayin'...

371 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:21:08pm

re: #366 Blueheron

There is truth in that statement.


I feel sorry for you.

372 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:21:25pm

re: #367 Killgore Trout

Lol! The grassy knoll!

There was a 5th wire tapper!

Anyone see Andrew Breitbart?

/

373 keloyd  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:21:36pm

re: #357 Killgore Trout

Malkin said that? She needs to look up what we used to call the Philipinos when Teddy Roosevelt was busy liberating them.

Some fringe pundits seem to believe every word coming out of their mouths (Buchanan!) and others are just whores looking for attention (Olbermann, Coulter, Malkin) I respect a fascist/communist who will tell it to your face.

374 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:21:57pm

re: #335 WindUpBird

Registration fraud? Not that significant. VOTER fraud? Significant. And I'm not exactly crying for multinational banks these days. If you want to, that's up to you. And is the tours of banker's homes thing illegal? I don't remember earing anything to that effect.

Darnell Nash. Registered nine times by ACORN. Convicted last fall of voter fraud. Google it up.

"Tours of bankers' homes?" Ask Charles how much he'd enjoy having his home pointed out to a busfull of Tea Partiers.

375 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:22:07pm

re: #357 Killgore Trout

Another Malkin commenter...

Awww. Alllow me to pull out the world's smallest violin.

376 generalsparky  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:22:14pm

re: #365 Gus 802

Perhaps. He always seemed kind of sleezy.

I agree. The chick was cute but he just seemed "ick".

377 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:22:42pm

re: #355 Gus 802

Face palm!

FLASHBACK: 31 House Republicans Supported Resolution Honoring Alleged Felon James O'Keefe

October 7, 2009.

There is no magic ball to foretell the future.

378 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:22:42pm

re: #376 generalsparky

I agree. The chick was cute but he just seemed "ick".

Yeah. The "sk" word.

379 Blueheron  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:22:47pm

re: #371 Killgore Trout

I feel sorry for you.

Ahhhhh I am touched :))

380 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:22:54pm

re: #325 reine.de.tout

You're a class act, Obicut.

And I have to agree with you and disagree with Cliffster on this one - definitely NOT a snoozer. This was an idiotic ploy, and those involved ought to have the book thrown at 'em for whatever laws they broke.

We cannot be OK with citizens tapping the phones of any of our elected officials. If O'Keefe had any credibility whatsoever (and he didn't), he just lost it completely.

Could not agree more.

I won't be changing my behavior, I simply do not have patience for some of the ludicrous things people say here, but I won't bring Obdicut into it.

381 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:23:19pm

re: #362 generalsparky

No but what he did was still an ethics violation and he has had to pay over a million in restitution.

I wasn't suggesting he wasn't in the wrong. It was dirty and the voters of his district should be ashamed.

382 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:23:20pm

re: #377 MandyManners

October 7, 2009.

There is no magic ball to foretell the future.

Yes. But that still counts as in egg in ones face. Can happen to anyone.

383 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:23:27pm

re: #365 Gus 802

Perhaps. He always seemed kind of sleezy.

It was the tie.

384 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:23:39pm

re: #366 Blueheron

There is truth in that statement.

Just curious. How much of Malkin do you agree with?

385 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:23:44pm

re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, llrshadow, proof that ACORN stole the election for Franken? Because I'm tired of being promised mystery machines that don't materialize.

You don't want one of them anyway. They are filled with pot-smoking teenagers who talk to dogs and believe in ghosts. They get bad gas mileage too.

/

386 keloyd  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:23:49pm

re: #369 WindUpBird

Turn the other cheek, even if you can only manage a butt cheek, it makes you feel better.

387 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:24:02pm

re: #370 cosmo

How is Breitbart linked? He isn't mentioned anywhere in the affidavit. O'Keefe's ACORN escapades were funded by BigGovernment.com (and appeared to be quite within the law...depending on the state), but I don't see the connection here.

Please cite your source. I'm curious.

FYI: That is THE SHORTEST affidavit I've ever read. Just sayin'...

I'm just guessing. He is an employee of Brietbart and whatever the wiretaps turned up would have been used by Breitbart so I think it's probably a pretty safe assumption. The penalties are pretty serious and these guys are not professional spies so they'll probably roll over on him to get a plea bargain it he is involved.

388 Blueheron  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:24:32pm

re: #384 WindUpBird

Just curious. How much of Malkin do you agree with?

Not much. What was quoted seemed reasonable to me.

389 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:24:39pm

re: #339 HoosierHoops

OT! But important..There are a lot of Lizards here right now.. I have to ask a general question.. I keep getting emails from certain websites with ex-lizards asking me to leave here and join them.. Am I the only one? Does anyone also get the recruiting letters? Is it just aimed at me alone..Or is there a campaign going on? Anyone else?
I would never flounce from LGF..It's blogging home..Anyone else?
/We could start a support group and get money from ACORN.

I have never received an invitation to join the stalkers.

390 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:25:12pm

Note to Self:
Dressing up like a Phone repairmen without a work order only works in the movies...
/The best one was in Sting.. When they dressed up like painters and cleared the room with a fake work order..

391 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:25:17pm

re: #369 WindUpBird

No. I snark and toss zings at people who say ridiculous and/or nasty things. Like Albusteve, when he was gleefully celebrating the suicide of Kurt Cobain. To you, because you dismiss an abominable crime committed against a sitting Senator because it doesn't jibe with your partisan wishes. To Tradewind, who perpetuated anti-gay bigotry ion the form of repeating Fistgate. To Mandy, who suggested I be stalked. Who said I claimed I wasn't being an asshole? I am an asshole to those who I feel do not deserve my respect.

I disagree with Cato and Walter and Dark_Falcon. I am civil to them.

Keep up rationalizing personal attacks. It's good for the soul.

392 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:25:22pm
393 cosmo  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:25:29pm

re: #387 Killgore Trout

Or deceive to deflect. Deception seems to run in this O'Keefe.

Just thought it was a little premature to finger Andy. He's arrogant--probably a little too strong--maybe "overly self-assured, but not stupid.

394 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:25:56pm

re: #392 jamesfirecat

Whoops my bad you're gonna want to deleate that also...

395 cosmo  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:25:57pm

re: #390 HoosierHoops

Note to Self:
Dressing up like a Phone repairmen without a work order only works in the movies...
/The best one was in Sting.. When they dressed up like painters and cleared the room with a fake work order..

Um...no. It works in law enforcement. Every day.

396 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:26:03pm

Man, I pop out to the Doc's office and missed all the new fun! I was only gone for 30 mins or so and already over 350 posts!

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:26:17pm

re: #285 lrsshadow

Last time I checked Breitbart isn't receiving millions of dollars from the taxpayers and he is not poised to receive billions in the future, but any how there is enough illegal activity being investigated on ACORN to warrant a full congressional investigation even without the prostitution videos.

OK, so investigate ACORN. But for the love of God, do it right. These ridiculous play stings are not going to help anyone.

And nothing ACORN is doing could possibly make O'Keefe look less tacky. Unless maybe they're eating babies.

398 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:26:51pm

re: #336 Locker

You really stretch your text out to make it look like there is more content than there really is don't you. Your examples to prove that ACORN is rotten as hell are basically:

- A minority of bottom level staff registering false names.
- Squatting in foreclosed homes.
- A bus tour

Now lets look at what ACORNS actual mission priorities are:

- Affordable Housing
- Better Schools
- Fair Housing
- Fair Tax Fees
- Foreclosures
- Gulf Coast Recovery
- Health Care
- Immigration
- Living Wage
- Paid Sick Days
- Predatory Lending
- Utilities
- Voter Engagement

You skipped the embezzlement case and the sheer number of bogus voter registration forms, Locker -- all of which cost voter registration officials a ton of time and money to handle.

As far as their "mission priorities:" I don't buy that argument. It's too much like "indulgences."

How would you set up the exchange rate? "OK, we got a bunch of people mortgages on homes that they won't be able to pay, jacked up the minimum wage so McDonald's and Wal-Mart laid off a bunch of their entry-level employees, and shut down payday loan businesses -- can we now be allowed to break and enter on foreclosed properties now?"

No, thanks.

399 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:26:58pm

re: #395 cosmo

Um...no. It works in law enforcement. Every day.

But, cops have warrants.

400 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:27:12pm

re: #294 shiplord kirel

What a pack of dunces. James Bond they're not. I wouldn't expect them to do something cool like run a surplus periscope into Landrieu's office from a secret underground reservoir, but the average couch-potato spy-thriller fan, let alone the average (or even below-average) spy, would know better than to try a stunt like this.
Btw, James is indeed a fictional character but he has some analogs. I've met a few of them over the years. They do not work for wingnut media.

Which is why this lot had to try it by themselves.

401 generalsparky  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:27:23pm

re: #381 RogueOne

I wasn't suggesting he wasn't in the wrong. It was dirty and the voters of his district should be ashamed.

I am guessing they're not since they keep reelecting him. But I bet their panties are all twisted up about this attempted wiretapping of Landrieu's office.

402 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:27:33pm

re: #374 BunnyThief

Darnell Nash. Registered nine times by ACORN. Convicted last fall of voter fraud. Google it up.

"Tours of bankers' homes?" Ask Charles how much he'd enjoy having his home pointed out to a busfull of Tea Partiers.

I think it's dirty pool, but it's moving the goalposts. Going from illegal to just bad behavior, and moosh it all together, hoping it's not pointed out.

And okay, Darnell nash. One guy. Is this an institutional failure of the entire organization? Or is this a guy who worked for the organization, had access, committed fraud?

Like I said, I worked for an organization where my boss committed felony fraud and was arrested. Organization still stands, still does good work.

or do the rules change because they register people to vote Democrat?

403 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:27:40pm

re: #339 HoosierHoops

OT! But important..There are a lot of Lizards here right now.. I have to ask a general question.. I keep getting emails from certain websites with ex-lizards asking me to leave here and join them.. Am I the only one? Does anyone also get the recruiting letters? Is it just aimed at me alone..Or is there a campaign going on? Anyone else?
I would never flounce from LGF..It's blogging home..Anyone else?
/We could start a support group and get money from ACORN.

i never have. but i have no web page or email address to display on my screen name...

404 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:27:40pm

re: #395 cosmo

Um...no. It works in law enforcement. Every day.

"Here's a tip. Try it on someone who's not the real law enforcement."

(Bonus marks to anyone who gets that line.)

405 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:27:41pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, so investigate ACORN. But for the love of God, do it right. These ridiculous play stings are not going to help anyone.

And nothing ACORN is doing could possibly make O'Keefe look less tacky. Unless maybe they're eating babies.

You mean you haven't heard??

406 Buck  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:27:45pm

re: #387 Killgore Trout

I'm just guessing. He is an employee of Brietbart and whatever the wiretaps turned up would have been used by Breitbart so I think it's probably a pretty safe assumption. The penalties are pretty serious and these guys are not professional spies so they'll probably roll over on him to get a plea bargain it he is involved.

I don't think he is an employee... and even if he was, you are not willing to paint ACORN based on what their employees do...

407 cosmo  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:28:21pm

@dressing up like a phone repairman:

For as dumb as these three guys were, and as smart as criminals seem, they're collectively a pretty stupid lot.

- Fake repairman
- Fake flower guy
- Come on down to the local hotel for a "free cruise"

It's used because it works. I'm assuming Sen. Landrieu's office staff are pretty lunkheaded, too, hence O'Keefe's tactics.

408 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:28:24pm

You also have to wonder if this was the first attempt? If I were a Democrat I would be checking my phone lines right now.

409 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:28:34pm

re: #386 keloyd

Turn the other cheek, even if you can only manage a butt cheek, it makes you feel better.

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. This isn't some brand new rivalry here. ;-)

410 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:28:38pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, so investigate ACORN. But for the love of God, do it right. These ridiculous play stings are not going to help anyone.

Exactly. It's like investigating the Starbucks corporation by setting up a sting on the baristas. (Yeah, I know it's not a great analogy.)

411 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:29:20pm

re: #396 Dragon_Lady

Guess who just registered?
MichaelZZ. Be nice... He not blog wise yet.

412 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:29:20pm

re: #406 Buck

I don't think he is an employee... and even if he was, you are not willing to paint ACORN based on what their employees do...

ZING.

413 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:29:43pm

re: #408 Thanos

You also have to wonder if this was the first attempt? If I were a Democrat I would be checking my phone lines right now.

They don't seem smart enough to have gotten away with it without getting caught on the first try.

414 cosmo  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:29:53pm

@MandyManners: Good point. I'm sure O'K will say "who's guarding the guard?"

(Kruk: Bonus for you if you get that one...it's easier than yours.)

415 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:29:57pm

Dinner.

416 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:29:57pm

re: #395 cosmo

Um...no. It works in law enforcement. Every day.

You mean the FBI dresses up like phone workers without tools or paperwork and pulls off black ops?
seriously though..Law enforcement are pros in their job..

417 Blueheron  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:30:35pm

CYA Peoples :)

418 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:30:35pm

re: #391 cliffster

Keep up rationalizing personal attacks. It's good for the soul.

I'm just telling you why. You asked, after all.

419 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:30:38pm

re: #407 cosmo

@dressing up like a phone repairman:

For as dumb as these three guys were, and as smart as criminals seem, they're collectively a pretty stupid lot.

- Fake repairman
- Fake flower guy
- Come on down to the local hotel for a "free cruise"

It's used because it works. I'm assuming Sen. Landrieu's office staff are pretty lunkheaded, too, hence O'Keefe's tactics.

Land shark

[Link: www.spike.com...]

420 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:30:42pm

Lol, O'Keefe fancies himself a 007.
XD

421 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:31:24pm

re: #385 ArchangelMichael

You don't want one of them anyway. They are filled with pot-smoking teenagers who talk to dogs and believe in ghosts. They get bad gas mileage too.

/

422 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:31:43pm

Now here is a news story;

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Don't build your house under a cliff.

423 cosmo  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:31:44pm

@Hoosier: G-men don't do black ops. The Bureau directive is "all within the law."

See the CIA and NSA for the black stuff.

I'm right there with you. And O'K is no pro...probably not even a pro documentarian.

424 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:31:47pm

re: #420 Varek Raith

Lol, O'Keefe fancies himself a 007.
XD

Today he got shaken, not stirred.

425 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:31:52pm

re: #357 Killgore Trout

Another Malkin commenter...

I swear, these guys remind me of my students. "But other people were talking! Why do I have to stay after school?"

426 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:31:58pm

re: #402 WindUpBird

I think it's dirty pool, but it's moving the goalposts. Going from illegal to just bad behavior, and moosh it all together, hoping it's not pointed out.

And okay, Darnell nash. One guy. Is this an institutional failure of the entire organization? Or is this a guy who worked for the organization, had access, committed fraud?

Like I said, I worked for an organization where my boss committed felony fraud and was arrested. Organization still stands, still does good work.

or do the rules change because they register people to vote Democrat?

Scumbags do scummy things. Some are illegal, some aren't.

I keep bringing up Darnell Nash because everyone says "it never happened, ever, and Luther Scott Harshbarger says so!" That Harshbarger apparently never heard of Nash makes me wonder what the hell else he missed.

As far as "they register people to vote Democrat" -- that's quite an admission. Legally, ACORN is supposed to be strictly non-partisan. They aren't supposed to favor either party when they're doing registrations.

427 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:32:03pm

re: #393 cosmo

"overly self-assured, but not stupid.


I wouldn't bet on that.

428 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:32:03pm

re: #296 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Man I'm sorry I missed that one!

429 cosmo  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:32:27pm

re: #419 cliffster

:)

430 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:32:32pm

re: #422 lrsshadow

Now here is a news story;

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Don't build your house under a cliff.

Holy shit!...

431 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:32:42pm

re: #414 cosmo

@MandyManners: Good point. I'm sure O'K will say "who's guarding the guard?"

(Kruk: Bonus for you if you get that one...it's easier than yours.)

Juvenal. "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"

(More people who know classics than are dorks. :) )

432 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:32:42pm

re: #416 HoosierHoops

Aldrich Ames.

433 drool  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:32:48pm

#28 lrsshadow,

If the ACORN story was such a big thing they could have dropped the raw video off witht he FBI and ACORN would have gained a LEGAL FBI undercover investigation. As it turns out the "invetigative journalists" that did it will not release the raw tape (only the edited stuff) and could be charged themselves for breaking the law.

434 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:32:49pm

Department of Justice Press Release
For Immediate Release
January 26, 2010 United States Attorney's Office
Eastern District of Louisiana
Contact:[no phone numbers allowed]

Four Men Arrested for Entering Government Property Under False Pretenses for the Purpose of Committing a Felony

NEW ORLEANS—JOSEPH BASEL, age 24; ROBERT FLANAGAN, age 24; JAMES O’KEEFE, age 25; and STAN DAI, age 24, were charged in a criminal complaint with entering federal property under false pretenses for the purpose of committing a felony, announced the United States Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Louisiana.

According to the complaint, which was unsealed earlier today, the arrest of FLANAGAN, BASEL, O’KEEFE, and DAI took place after BASEL and O’KEEFE attempted to gain access to the New Orleans office of United States Senator Mary Landrieu on January 25, 2010, while posing as telephone repairmen. According to the complaint, FLANAGAN and BASEL were each dressed in blue denim pants, blue work shirts, light green fluorescent vests, tool belts, and construction-style hard hats when they entered the Hale Boggs Federal Building, located at 500 Poydras Street, New Orleans, Louisiana 70130. Once in the building, FLANAGAN and BASEL sought access to the offices of Senator Landrieu. O’KEEFE was already present in the office, holding a cellular phone so as to record FLANAGAN and BASEL. Once inside Senator Landrieu’s reception area, FLANAGAN and BASEL told a member of Senator Landrieu’s staff that they were telephone repairmen, and they requested access to the main telephone at the reception desk. FLANAGAN and BASEL then manipulated the telephone system. FLANAGAN and BASEL next requested access to the telephone closet because they needed to perform work on the main telephone system. They were directed to the main office of the United States General Services Administration, also inside the Hale Boggs Federal Building, where they again represented themselves to be employees of the telephone company and stated that they needed to perform repair work in the telephone closet. Both FLANAGAN and BASEL stated that they had left their credentials in their vehicle. In addition, the complaint alleges that O’KEEFE and DAI assisted FLANAGAN and BASEL in the planning, coordination, and preparation of the operation. The men were apprehended by the United States Marshal’s Service soon thereafter.

If convicted, FLANAGAN, BASEL, O’KEEFE, and DAI each face a maximum term of 10 years in prison, a fine of $250,000, and three (3) years of supervised release following any term of imprisonment.

The United States Attorney’s Office reiterated that the complaint is merely a charge and that the guilt of the defendant must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

The investigation is being conducted by Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Deputy Marshals with the United States Marshal’s Service. The case is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorney Jordan Ginsberg.

435 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:33:05pm

re: #411 Rightwingconspirator

Oh man, you just had to take the fun outta my day! You owe dinner out for that!

436 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:33:10pm

re: #410 Soap_Man

Exactly. It's like investigating the Starbucks corporation by setting up a sting on the baristas. (Yeah, I know it's not a great analogy.)

Pretty much. It's just good old fashioned politics. Attack an organization that registers Democrats so they register fewer democrats. It's part of the chess game.

Thankfully, some of the attackers, like our male madam here, are really incompetent.

437 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:33:10pm

re: #342 Stanley Sea

The LA connection. Hi Reine! How's it being played on your local news?

Local news at 6. It's 5:30 here - I'll be watching.

438 cliffster  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:33:41pm

re: #418 WindUpBird

I'm just telling you why. You asked, after all.

Intense hatred causes heart problems. Take Jonathon Edward's advice while you're young.

439 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:34:11pm

re: #430 Varek Raith

Holy shit!...

yah I'll bet his next door neighbors are selling their houses really cheep now.

440 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:34:17pm

re: #407 cosmo

@dressing up like a phone repairman:

For as dumb as these three guys were, and as smart as criminals seem, they're collectively a pretty stupid lot.

- Fake repairman
- Fake flower guy
- Come on down to the local hotel for a "free cruise"

It's used because it works. I'm assuming Sen. Landrieu's office staff are pretty lunkheaded, too, hence O'Keefe's tactics.


You seriously think that security in the Big Easy is Lax? These guys are pros..I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when they were busted..
Whatcha doing Pal? Best Youtube vid EVAH!

441 shiplord kirel  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:34:29pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

I can't wait to see Glenn Beck's reporting on this story.

Oligarhical conspiracy or....
It's all a terrible mistake. Breitbart is going into the telecom biz and this was a sales call. The techs are legit and Breitbart gave O'Keefe the sales job to help him out till the next ACORN bust.

442 bosforus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:34:32pm

re: #27 Guanxi88
And I am recovering well from your prediction of me:

From lighting and the position of your hand, I can tell that you have just awakened in a room you've never seen before and are listening to a recording telling you that the key to the safe that contains the antidote is implanted in one of four surgical wounds on your back, that there is a grapefruit spoon on the table before you, and that you have ten minutes before the poison takes effect.

Why do you have to be right all the time!

443 Buck  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:34:35pm

re: #436 WindUpBird

Pretty much. It's just good old fashioned politics. Attack an organization that registers Democrats so they register fewer democrats. It's part of the chess game.

Thankfully, some of the attackers, like our male madam here, are really incompetent.

They were paid to register VOTERS.

444 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:35:20pm

James O’Keefe will be called a POW or hero in 3, 2, 1...

445 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:35:22pm

re: #433 drool

re: #433 drool

#28 lrsshadow,

If the ACORN story was such a big thing they could have dropped the raw video off witht he FBI and ACORN would have gained a LEGAL FBI undercover investigation. As it turns out the "invetigative journalists" that did it will not release the raw tape (only the edited stuff) and could be charged themselves for breaking the law.

Yeah, the FBI will get right on that. Right after they finish their case on the New Black Panthers in Philadelphia. And close the books on Geithner's tax fraud.

446 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:35:57pm

re: #440 HoosierHoops

You seriously think that security in the Big Easy is Lax? These guys are pros..I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when they were busted..
Whatcha doing Pal? Best Youtube vid EVAH!

Yeah, will O'Keefe post his arrest video on youtube?

447 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:36:11pm

re: #433 drool

#28 lrsshadow,

If the ACORN story was such a big thing they could have dropped the raw video off witht he FBI and ACORN would have gained a LEGAL FBI undercover investigation. As it turns out the "invetigative journalists" that did it will not release the raw tape (only the edited stuff) and could be charged themselves for breaking the law.

They did release, the unedited transcripts and audio of the encounters, I also think they posted the unedited tapes.

BTW the FBI doesn't let none FBI people do stings.

448 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:36:28pm

re: #435 Dragon_Lady

No No I just added to the fun you will soon have. I'm taking you fisking.

449 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:36:31pm

re: #426 BunnyThief

Scumbags do scummy things. Some are illegal, some aren't.

I keep bringing up Darnell Nash because everyone says "it never happened, ever, and Luther Scott Harshbarger says so!" That Harshbarger apparently never heard of Nash makes me wonder what the hell else he missed.

As far as "they register people to vote Democrat" -- that's quite an admission. Legally, ACORN is supposed to be strictly non-partisan. They aren't supposed to favor either party when they're doing registrations.

They are non-partisan, they register far more Democrats than Republicans because of the communities they are part of. We call these things facts. I know they lean Democrat, I'm not stupid. I know why Republicans attack them. Still not stupid!

If you don't want black people and poor people voting, you make sure they have fewer resources in that realm. Hence, attack ACORN. This isn't brain surgery, it's simple strategy.

450 webevintage  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:36:34pm

re: #385 ArchangelMichael

You don't want one of them anyway. They are filled with pot-smoking teenagers who talk to dogs and believe in ghosts. They get bad gas mileage too.

/

As he was lead away, James O'Keefe was heard muttering "I would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those damn kids and their dogs".

451 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:37:09pm

What I'd like to know what made those genetic defective idiots think that they could possibly get away with such a stupid plan! ACORN Must be desperate to put something so blatantly stupid and think no one would catch on. Shaking my head over and over at this one...

452 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:37:44pm

re: #451 Dragon_Lady

?

453 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:37:54pm

re: #396 Dragon_Lady

Man, I pop out to the Doc's office and missed all the new fun! I was only gone for 30 mins or so and already over 350 posts!

how's your tummy?

454 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:38:09pm

re: #444 Gus 802

James O’Keefe will be called a POW or hero in 3, 2, 1...

The first thing he will be called is Defendant.

455 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:38:16pm

re: #451 Dragon_Lady

You have misunderstood something badly...

456 generalsparky  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:38:42pm

re: #445 BunnyThief

re: #433 drool

Yeah, the FBI will get right on that. Right after they finish their case on the New Black Panthers in Philadelphia. And close the books on Geithner's tax fraud.

Heh. I laughed when I read that President Obama told Geithner to go after government tax cheats last week. He could start with the Democratic caucus.

457 andydp  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:38:49pm

I'll wait for John Stewart's comments tonight. I'm sure they will echo his comment when VP Cheney's hunting accident surfaced: "Thank you Jesus"

458 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:38:54pm

re: #380 WindUpBird

Could not agree more.

I won't be changing my behavior, I simply do not have patience for some of the ludicrous things people say here, but I won't bring Obdicut into it.

That's absolutely your right.
And I had no patience either, when I was younger ... so that's understandable, too.

459 webevintage  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:38:54pm

re: #450 webevintage

As he was lead away,

sheesh
Oh my, it should read:

As he was LED away...

460 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:39:21pm

re: #457 andydp

I'll wait for John Stewart's comments tonight. I'm sure they will echo his comment when VP Cheney's hunting accident surfaced: "Thank you Jesus"

That was great stuff.

461 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:39:41pm

re: #339 HoosierHoops

OT! But important..There are a lot of Lizards here right now.. I have to ask a general question.. I keep getting emails from certain websites with ex-lizards asking me to leave here and join them.. Am I the only one? Does anyone also get the recruiting letters? Is it just aimed at me alone..Or is there a campaign going on? Anyone else?
I would never flounce from LGF..It's blogging home..Anyone else?
/We could start a support group and get money from ACORN.

Are they offering sex, money or hard drink?

462 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:40:33pm
463 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:40:34pm

re: #448 Rightwingconspirator

Yawn! Talk about dry drawn out yadada yadada! Sorry, I can't focus my eyes on such bone dry stuff for very long, I'm too tired. Maybe when I'm feeling better...

464 keloyd  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:41:15pm

These stupid trust fund baby dufus kids aside, we all know Landrieu is crooked as a dog's hind leg. It's Louisiana. This bullcorn story will give her a pass on any real shenanigans that she has been getting up to.

465 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:41:29pm

re: #339 HoosierHoops

OT! But important..There are a lot of Lizards here right now.. I have to ask a general question.. I keep getting emails from certain websites with ex-lizards asking me to leave here and join them.. Am I the only one? Does anyone also get the recruiting letters? Is it just aimed at me alone..Or is there a campaign going on? Anyone else?
I would never flounce from LGF..It's blogging home..Anyone else?
/We could start a support group and get money from ACORN.

I get one occasionally.
OR, I get the "you're such an idiot", or "you're nuts", or "do you have any brain cells left?", OR - well, you get the picture.

466 Stuart Leviton  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:41:50pm

"Nobody's perfect" - from Some Like It Hot
467 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:41:53pm

re: #455 Rightwingconspirator

Oh? I read the article before I jumped in... Where'd I screw up?

468 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:41:55pm

re: #462 Varek Raith

OT
Man pulled from rubble two weeks after quake
In stable condition!

spectacular news!

469 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:42:03pm

re: #457 andydp

I'll wait for John Stewart's comments tonight. I'm sure they will echo his comment when VP Cheney's hunting accident surfaced: "Thank you Jesus"

Cheneys got a gun!

470 sagehen  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:42:06pm

re: #103 MandyManners

Didn't the ACORN staffer advise how to get girls smuggled from Central America set up as prostitutes? Is my memory that bad?

That's what the edited tapes seemed to suggest.

ACORN claims the edits were misleading, that the raw footage would show a different story. But O'Keefe and Breitbart won't release the raw footage.

471 teleskiguy  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:42:26pm

This doesn't surprise me. By-the-book Nixonian dirty tricks. Will this discredit their work for Big Government? Will Andrew Breitbart start releasing his supposed bombshells of videos he promised to cover this guys' ass? If Mr. O'Keefe was so concerned about Sen. Landrieu's conduct, going so far as to wiretap her phone himself, why didn't he go to the police? Oh yeah, police is the gubmint, and tea partiers cannot trust the gubmint under any circumstances!

472 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:42:38pm

re: #449 WindUpBird

They are non-partisan, they register far more Democrats than Republicans because of the communities they are part of. We call these things facts. I know they lean Democrat, I'm not stupid. I know why Republicans attack them. Still not stupid!

If you don't want black people and poor people voting, you make sure they have fewer resources in that realm. Hence, attack ACORN. This isn't brain surgery, it's simple strategy.

I've registered to vote at least five times in my life. It's NEVER been more than a few minutes' effort. Just show up at the clerk's office with ID and proof of residence. I used license and lease.

I don't like chasing people down and enticing them to register. If someone can't take a few minutes to invest in registering to vote, then I don't WANT them voting. It should take a little bit of thought and a minimal amount of effort to secure that right.

On the other hand, anyone who tries to deny someone the right to vote by making it MORE complicated to register needs to spend quality time in pound-ass prison.

I take our democratic system VERY seriously, and get furious at anyone who screws with it. That's why I get so mad at ACORN, at the New Black Panthers, the Gore campaign that wrote a memo on how to disqualify military absentee ballots in Florida, and the southern rednecks who triggered the civil rights movement.

I don't see much difference between any of them.

473 blueraven  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:43:25pm

re: #53 MandyManners

How does that affect the truth of the ACORN story?

If this guy O'Keeffe is not above illegally entering a federal building to illegally screw with a Senator's phone line, how is he trustworthy as a reporter? How do we know if the Acorn tapes have been edited in a way that may not represent a true and factual account?

474 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:43:43pm

re: #438 cliffster

Intense hatred causes heart problems. Take Jonathon Edward's advice while you're young.

[Video]

Disrespect < intense hatred.

I save my intense hatred for people that I actually know who they are. You could be one person, five people, an unusually computer-literate poltergeist, or a brain floating in fluid, like Kain from Robocop 2. I don't know anything about you. I just respond to what you post here. You just post some things that go beyond the realm of "I disagree with that guy" and in the realm of "he's whitewashing something that comes close to treason". That is worthy of my marked disrespect, and thus, you suffer some jabs. It's okay, I've been called a troll and a sock puppet about 30 times since registering here. All part of life's rich pageant.

475 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:43:48pm

re: #461 Decatur Deb

Are they offering sex, money or hard drink?

I'll get my agent on this...sex and money in a long term contract has an upside.
/They want me to stab Charles in the Back..

476 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:43:52pm

re: #470 sagehen

That's what the edited tapes seemed to suggest.

ACORN claims the edits were misleading, that the raw footage would show a different story. But O'Keefe and Breitbart won't release the raw footage.

I have to say I have difficulty trusting anything anybody says if they refuse to release the raw footage.

477 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:44:32pm

re: #467 Dragon_Lady

Oh? I read the article before I jumped in... Where'd I screw up?

This wasn't done by Acorn. In fact, Acorn wasn't even involved in this particular incident.

478 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:45:08pm

re: #453 Aceofwhat?

Tummy probs just a side effect of the real prob. I have Bronchitis. Again! The coughing is always a joy to experience! Not!

479 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:45:08pm

re: #477 Kruk

This wasn't done by Acorn. In fact, Acorn wasn't even involved in this particular incident.

That's what you'd like us to believe.

480 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:45:10pm

re: #380 WindUpBird

And again, I wasn't disputing that you've got the right to throw jabs, just that when you tie it to my post, you get your jabby all over me. You're by far the most offensive or insulting Lizard. It was only that you were doing it in a reply to my post that made me sniff.

481 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:45:12pm

re: #449 WindUpBird

They are non-partisan, they register far more Democrats than Republicans because of the communities they are part of. We call these things facts. I know they lean Democrat, I'm not stupid. I know why Republicans attack them. Still not stupid!

If you don't want black people and poor people voting, you make sure they have fewer resources in that realm. Hence, attack ACORN. This isn't brain surgery, it's simple strategy.

I don't want our election system being tainted by an organization that claims to be non-partisan (when they are an arm of the DNC), gets millions in federal funding, holds political rallies, members break the law repeatedly (voter fraud), was & may still have an intricate part in the census, and provides help to would be prostitution rings.

GOOD GOD why is ACORN still getting federal funding. ACORN doesn't do anything for poor people, it is a joke and a complete waste of money.

If you want to help poor people you support the Red Cross, Salvation Army, ect and not a political hack group like ACORN.

482 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:45:23pm

re: #445 BunnyThief

re: #433 drool

Yeah, the FBI will get right on that. Right after they finish their case on the New Black Panthers in Philadelphia. And close the books on Geithner's tax fraud.

So, let me see what I just heard. The FBI would not investigate, so these poor babies were forced to break the law and doctor their evidence?

I've heard this sort of bullshit logic so often from the left, but apparently it's a universal thing.

483 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:45:35pm

re: #475 HoosierHoops

I'll get my agent on this...sex and money in a long term contract has an upside.
/They want me to stab Charles in the Back..

Hoops, they just admire and need your weekly prayer posts.

484 Charpete67  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:45:59pm

I would have thought this arrest would have been bigger news here...

Man caught at airport with 44 lizards in pants

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

485 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:46:20pm

re: #455 Rightwingconspirator

Well, since you put it that way...yeah I misunderstood the point of the article. My bad! Sorry everyone!

486 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:46:27pm

re: #458 reine.de.tout

That's absolutely your right.
And I had no patience either, when I was younger ... so that's understandable, too.

Believe it or not, I've chilled out since my 20's! I used to be a lot snarkier.

487 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:46:41pm

re: #475 HoosierHoops

I'll get my agent on this...sex and money in a long term contract has an upside.
/They want me to stab Charles in the Back..

I think I've read other comments by lizards re recruiting. I feel left out. Is your email address somehow more public than normal?

488 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:47:13pm

re: #462 Varek Raith

OT
Man pulled from rubble two weeks after quake
In stable condition!

These are such joyous moments, but it always makes me wonder how many people die slowly before they're found.

489 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:47:15pm

re: #480 Obdicut

And again, I wasn't disputing that you've got the right to throw jabs, just that when you tie it to my post, you get your jabby all over me. You're by far the most offensive or insulting Lizard. It was only that you were doing it in a reply to my post that made me sniff.

You're a good guy :)

(I assume you mean I'm NOT the most offensive lizard!)

490 keloyd  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:47:30pm

re: #484 Charpete67

I would have thought this arrest would have been bigger news here...

Man caught at airport with 44 lizards in pants

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

Hmm, Charles has been out of town a lot lately.

491 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:47:30pm

re: #477 Kruk

See my post below, yeah I misread something in the article. Put it down to my not feeling well. Sorry!

492 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:47:36pm

re: #484 Charpete67

Wasn't me. I was home all day playing hymns on my harmonium.

493 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:47:45pm

re: #464 keloyd

These stupid trust fund baby dufus kids aside, we all know Landrieu is crooked as a dog's hind leg. It's Louisiana. This bullcorn story will give her a pass on any real shenanigans that she has been getting up to.

If true, maybe another reason not to play like this?

494 Mr. Crankypants  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:48:01pm

re: #484 Charpete67

I don't even want to think about that visual...

495 bosforus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:48:07pm

re: #474 WindUpBird

or a brain floating in fluid, like Kain from Robocop 2


Or Krang from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

496 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:48:23pm

re: #484 Charpete67

I would have thought this arrest would have been bigger news here...

Man caught at airport with 44 lizards in pants

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

They were UNREGISTERED lizards, so they don't count.

497 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:48:26pm

re: #472 BunnyThief I don't like chasing people down and enticing them to register. If someone can't take a few minutes to invest in registering to vote, then I don't WANT them voting. It should take a little bit of thought and a minimal amount of effort to secure that right.

"Entice"? Nice choice of words. Implies underhanded dealings or corruption without actually saying so. And if someone wants to "chase down" voters and get them to register, how does this affect you?

498 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:48:27pm

re: #457 andydp

I'll wait for John Stewart's comments tonight. I'm sure they will echo his comment when VP Cheney's hunting accident surfaced: "Thank you Jesus"

Yah I think it was good that John Stewart was about the only person in media besides Fox that ran the original story on ACORN plus he said

"YOU KNOW INVESTIGATIVE MEDIA, WHERE THE HELL WHERE YOU?"

499 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:49:10pm

re: #480 Obdicut

You're by far NOT the most insulting lizard. NOT. NOT.

Sorry sorry sorry, WindUpBird.

500 blueraven  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:49:19pm

re: #451 Dragon_Lady

What I'd like to know what made those genetic defective idiots think that they could possibly get away with such a stupid plan! ACORN Must be desperate to put something so blatantly stupid and think no one would catch on. Shaking my head over and over at this one...

Excuse me? Genetic defective idiots... ACORN?

501 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:49:42pm

re: #489 WindUpBird

Thank you for having faith in me! I'm just posting inbetween massive avalanches of work, so a thousand apologies for that.

502 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:49:46pm

re: #495 bosforus

Or Krang from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Upding for Krang! But I'm way more a fan of the black and white Mirage comics than the cartoon, less with the cowabunga and more with the grim and brutal spilling of Foot clan blood in the sewers.

503 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:49:47pm

re: #339 HoosierHoops

I got something odd a few times at my blog... But I rarely blue my nic anymore. And yes this is home.

504 Charpete67  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:50:31pm

re: #494 PT Barnum

I don't even want to think about that visual...

"sir...are those Lizards in your pants or are you just..."

505 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:50:31pm

re: #479 RogueOne

That's what you'd like us to believe.

Yep, they just left left the Senator's office ublocked hoping some unsuspecting Conservative activists would be tempted to pose as telephone repairmen.

506 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:50:56pm

re: #486 WindUpBird

Believe it or not, I've chilled out since my 20's! I used to be a lot snarkier.

The chilling continues throughout your life.
BTW - cliffster posted a clarification, which is really completely different from what her original post seemed to say. Not sure I agree with it, but I did want to point it out to you because when you ask questions rather than jab at people, you sometimes get a clarification:


re: #338 cliffster

Actually, I don't think it's a snoozer, I think it's big news. I thought the ACORN bits were big news. My point was, that if the ACORN bits were not big news, then this would also not be. And he would have rightfully gotten the book thrown at him in complete anonymity.

And, agreed on your Obdicut point as well.

507 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:51:00pm

re: #493 SanFranciscoZionist

If true, maybe another reason not to play like this?

Odd isn't it? James O’Keefe and a bunch of other hoodlums get arrested for wire tapping a government office and are under investigation by the FBI and suddenly it's about ACORN, Timothy Geithner and the Black Panthers. Even to the point were they're trying to defend O'Keefe by saying Landrieu is corrupt -- it's almost as if they're saying this is justified. Talk about moral relativism. I guess we're seeing a new meaning for respect for the law.

508 bosforus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:51:48pm

re: #502 WindUpBird

Upding for Krang! But I'm way more a fan of the black and white Mirage comics than the cartoon, less with the cowabunga and more with the grim and brutal spilling of Foot clan blood in the sewers.

So you're saying you're not a Vanilla Ice fan?
-gotta run, glad I could get a few posts in while I could-

509 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:52:01pm

re: #507 Gus 802

Odd isn't it? James O’Keefe and a bunch of other hoodlums get arrested for wire tapping a government office and are under investigation by the FBI and suddenly it's about ACORN, Timothy Geithner and the Black Panthers. Even to the point were they're trying to defend O'Keefe by saying Landrieu is corrupt -- it's almost as if they're saying this is justified. Talk about moral relativism. I guess we're seeing a new meaning for respect for the law.

Ah, partisanship!
;)

510 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:52:04pm

re: #499 Obdicut

You're by far NOT the most insulting lizard. NOT. NOT.

Sorry sorry sorry, WindUpBird.

teehee. :D

I like to think of myself as sort of a Salacious Crumb. Just a cackling little gremlin with a turnkey. Cato is way better at the snark than I am, and Ludwig is way more with the righteous anger.

511 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:52:35pm

re: #505 Kruk

Yep, they just left left the Senator's office ublocked hoping some unsuspecting Conservative activists would be tempted to pose as telephone repairmen.

They left the phone sitting right at the front desk. Entrapment.

512 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:52:45pm

re: #497 Kruk

I don't like chasing people down and enticing them to register. If someone can't take a few minutes to invest in registering to vote, then I don't WANT them voting. It should take a little bit of thought and a minimal amount of effort to secure that right.


"Entice"? Nice choice of words. Implies underhanded dealings or corruption without actually saying so. And if someone wants to "chase down" voters and get them to register, how does this affect you?

(shrug) How you choose to interpret "entice" is entirely up to you.

As far as how it affects me... I put a lot of thought and consideration into my votes. And quite often, that vote is "canceled" by someone who just checks off the boxes they were told to mark off by their helpful registration aide.

It annoys me. And I don't mind expressing my annoyance.

513 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:52:53pm

re: #487 Decatur Deb

I think I've read other comments by lizards re recruiting. I feel left out. Is your email address somehow more public than normal?

Last summer I think I gave everybody my email...Now only trusted Lizards like Reine and a few others have it...
You want to email me now you have to go through a gatekeeper.. And it damn well be that Bill Clinton wants to drunk dial me..or Megan Fox lost my email on her iPhone..
/

514 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:53:08pm

re: #509 Varek Raith

Ah, partisanship!
;)

Yeah. Last year when Nick Griffin was effed by a bunch of protesters some were outraged and the talk was about breaking the law. Of course they were leftist protesters.

515 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:53:28pm

re: #513 HoosierHoops

Last summer I think I gave everybody my email...Now only trusted Lizards like Reine and a few others have it...
You want to email me now you have to go through a gatekeeper.. And it damn well be that Bill Clinton wants to drunk dial me..or Megan Fox lost my email on her iPhone..
/

Does the gate require a Blue Key???

516 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:53:32pm

re: #449 WindUpBird

whoah. not being fond of ACORN because their management makes Medicare administrators resemble CERN scientists does not equate to "not wanting black people and poor people to vote."

Don't strain your back lifting that massive brush you're painting with...

517 JeffFX  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:53:56pm

The NYTimes article just hit the Digg frontpage

518 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:54:07pm

re: #511 RogueOne

They left the phone sitting right at the front desk. Entrapment.

You're kidding right?

519 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:54:30pm

re: #464 keloyd

These stupid trust fund baby dufus kids aside, we all know Landrieu is crooked as a dog's hind leg. It's Louisiana. This bullcorn story will give her a pass on any real shenanigans that she has been getting up to.

The results of one of Landrieu's elections were contested, years ago - but nothing came of it. Since then, I've heard nothing indicating she's crooked. I think she's completely stupid - but I haven't heard anything about any sort of illegal shenanigans.

520 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:54:33pm

re: #507 Gus 802

Odd isn't it? James O’Keefe and a bunch of other hoodlums get arrested for wire tapping a government office and are under investigation by the FBI and suddenly it's about ACORN, Timothy Geithner and the Black Panthers. Even to the point were they're trying to defend O'Keefe by saying Landrieu is corrupt -- it's almost as if they're saying this is justified. Talk about moral relativism. I guess we're seeing a new meaning for respect for the law.

Yeah. I'm not so impressed.

521 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:54:41pm

re: #512 BunnyThief

(shrug) How you choose to interpret "entice" is entirely up to you.

As far as how it affects me... I put a lot of thought and consideration into my votes. And quite often, that vote is "canceled" by someone who just checks off the boxes they were told to mark off by their helpful registration aide.

It annoys me. And I don't mind expressing my annoyance.

Yeah, that whole "universal sufferage" thing is such a drag. What socialist came up with the "All men are created equal" thing, anyway?

522 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:54:52pm

re: #496 BunnyThief

They were UNREGISTERED lizards, so they don't count.

Then they qualify for in-state tuition.

523 KernelPanic  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:55:13pm

re: #481 lrsshadow

ACORN doesn't do anything for poor people, it is a joke and a complete waste of money.

I grew up in a wealthy suburb near a decaying old city that I visited very often and even as a child I saw the benefit that ACORN had done there. They were a massive presence in running and cleaning up housing projects and making the lower income areas of the city safer for kids and working adults. Their presence and work was a very significant net positive for both the city and the residents.

524 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:55:30pm

re: #515 Varek Raith

Does the gate require a Blue Key???

A pink key!
You e-mail me thru the cookbook blog - and I contact Hoops.

525 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:55:56pm

re: #512 BunnyThief

(shrug) How you choose to interpret "entice" is entirely up to you.

As far as how it affects me... I put a lot of thought and consideration into my votes. And quite often, that vote is "canceled" by someone who just checks off the boxes they were told to mark off by their helpful registration aide.

It annoys me. And I don't mind expressing my annoyance.

If you've got evidence of that, the registration aide part, I believe that's something you should take to the law.

I have no evidence that people who are registered to vote in voting drives are more or less thoughtful voters that those who call and sign up for the form.

526 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:56:04pm

re: #511 RogueOne

They left the phone sitting right at the front desk. Entrapment.

And it was wearing a short skirt, too! What red blooded male could control himself?

527 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:56:17pm

re: #518 Gus 802

You're kidding right?

What do you think?

528 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:56:54pm

re: #524 reine.de.tout

A pink key!
You e-mail me thru the cookbook blog - and I contact Hoops.

:) When I get some cash, I'm gonna buy my mom the LGF Cookbook.
:)

529 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:57:00pm

re: #500 blueraven

Ooops, I already admitted my bad, I misunderstood. I was referring to the dipsticks who tried to do the bugging. I misspoketyped. Sorry, sorry, sorry! Don't hurt me! Forgive me? :-(

530 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:57:02pm

re: #507 Gus 802

Odd isn't it? James O’Keefe and a bunch of other hoodlums get arrested for wire tapping a government office and are under investigation by the FBI and suddenly it's about ACORN, Timothy Geithner and the Black Panthers. Even to the point were they're trying to defend O'Keefe by saying Landrieu is corrupt -- it's almost as if they're saying this is justified. Talk about moral relativism. I guess we're seeing a new meaning for respect for the law.

Let's keep the facts straight. Keefe and TWO others arrested. And not specifically for wiretapping.

We don't know what the hell they were planning on doing. And, based on what has been released so far, it's a moderately safe assumption that they didn't, either.

I'm not talking about their excuse, I wanna hear their explanation. None of this makes any sense whatsoever.

The law doesn't require prosecutors to spell out the whole scheme, only the illegal acts. Sounds like we have that here. But dammit, I want the whole story here!

531 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:57:07pm

re: #523 KernelPanic

I grew up in a wealthy suburb near a decaying old city that I visited very often and even as a child I saw the benefit that ACORN had done there. They were a massive presence in running and cleaning up housing projects and making the lower income areas of the city safer for kids and working adults. Their presence and work was a very significant net positive for both the city and the residents.

ACORN isn't really one organization, is it? It's an organization of lots of organizations.

I went to the New Orleans ACORN website, and it does not appear they do very much. But I suspect it's different in different areas.

532 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:57:09pm

re: #527 RogueOne

What do you think?

That you're kidding.

533 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:57:17pm

This afternoon's moon [photo]

534 drymocke  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:57:28pm

I know I'm a newbie but this discourse reminds me of some graffiti I saw when I was in the Army... it read;
Those who write on bathroom walls,
Roll their sh*t in little balls.
But those who read these lines of wit,
Eat those little balls of sh*t.

Gotta run and try out for Jeopardy... don't ever change Boopsie!

535 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:57:36pm

re: #532 Gus 802

That you're kidding.

That bitch phone was asking for it.

536 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:57:39pm

re: #532 Gus 802

That you're kidding.

He is. ;)

537 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:57:43pm

re: #529 Dragon_Lady

Ooops, I already admitted my bad, I misunderstood. I was referring to the dipsticks who tried to do the bugging. I misspoketyped. Sorry, sorry, sorry! Don't hurt me! Forgive me? :-(

I've done that a time or two. Started posting, then realized I hadn't quite gotten the point.

Emily Litella is my muse at such times.

538 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:57:44pm

To Mr. O’Keefe & Co.:

Thank you for making our side look like stupid, criminal assholes. It's nice to know that when there are many prominent members of the "conservative" movement intent on shooting themselves in the foot, people like you will always be there to supply the high caliber ammo.

Thanks much,
Pissed Off Republican

539 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:57:58pm

re: #529 Dragon_Lady

Ooops, I already admitted my bad, I misunderstood. I was referring to the dipsticks who tried to do the bugging. I misspoketyped. Sorry, sorry, sorry! Don't hurt me! Forgive me? :-(

{dragon lady}
Of course.

540 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:58:28pm

re: #539 reine.de.tout

Thank you!

541 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:58:49pm

re: #529 Dragon_Lady

:) It's all good! :)

542 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:58:54pm

re: #537 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank you!

543 generalsparky  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:59:13pm

re: #538 Slumbering Behemoth

To Mr. O’Keefe & Co.:

Thank you for making our side look like stupid, criminal assholes. It's nice to know that when there are many prominent members of the "conservative" movement intent on shooting themselves in the foot, people like you will always be there to supply the high caliber ammo.

Thanks much,
Pissed Off Republican

AMEN!

544 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:59:33pm

re: #513 HoosierHoops

Last summer I think I gave everybody my email...Now only trusted Lizards like Reine and a few others have it...
You want to email me now you have to go through a gatekeeper.. And it damn well be that Bill Clinton wants to drunk dial me..or Megan Fox lost my email on her iPhone..
/

Are you Behind the Green Door?

///

545 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:59:40pm

re: #538 Slumbering Behemoth

To Mr. O’Keefe & Co.:

Thank you for making our side look like stupid, criminal assholes. It's nice to know that when there are many prominent members of the "conservative" movement intent on shooting themselves in the foot, people like you will always be there to supply the high caliber ammo.

Thanks much,
Pissed Off Republican

No elected Republican appears to be involved. I know that's small consolation when you're going WFT????? at someone who's nominally on your side of things, but this is more embarassing than horrific.

It ain't Watergate.

546 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 3:59:57pm

re: #338 cliffster

Actually, I don't think it's a snoozer, I think it's big news. I thought the ACORN bits were big news. My point was, that if the ACORN bits were not big news, then this would also not be. And he would have rightfully gotten the book thrown at him in complete anonymity.

And, agreed on your Obdicut point as well.

I will be nice and address this in very specific terms without snark, in honor of Reine.

Regardless of the ACORN story's success or failure in your eyes, this is giant news, and I still think it reveals intense and myopic partisanship that you don't believe that it is significant that a US senator's phone was tapped. If a deranged hobo tapped a senator's phone because he thought the senator had stolen his bindle, it's still big news.

You want to tie this to the ACORN thing, like it doesn't "deserve" to be a big story. ACORn is irrelevant to the seriousness of this story, which i don't believe you uinderstand. It is a big story no matter who is tapping a senator's phone, or why they've done it. And I believe that a random insignificant dude off the street who tapped the phone of a (likely Republican) senator you favor would not have received the dismissal you're giving this development. It seems to me that you were whitewashing what would be a massive and shocking breach of security of a high level elected official, because they are a democrat, hence my harsh response.

547 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:00:00pm

re: #533 Thanos

Nice.

548 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:00:09pm

You are all too kind! I'll be good from now on, I promise! (I'll try anyways)

549 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:00:25pm

re: #529 Dragon_Lady

Ooops, I already admitted my bad, I misunderstood. I was referring to the dipsticks who tried to do the bugging. I misspoketyped. Sorry, sorry, sorry! Don't hurt me! Forgive me? :-(

If you had kept going with it you could have played it off.

550 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:00:38pm

re: #523 KernelPanic

I grew up in a wealthy suburb near a decaying old city that I visited very often and even as a child I saw the benefit that ACORN had done there. They were a massive presence in running and cleaning up housing projects and making the lower income areas of the city safer for kids and working adults. Their presence and work was a very significant net positive for both the city and the residents.

Oh well I grew up dirt poor and I knew and know many dirt poor people, I have never seen ACORN and no one that I know has ever been helped by ACORN, and I have not seen one project by ACORN in my local community St. Paul/Minneapolis other than election related activities.

I am sure there is some good that ACORN does do for poor people somewhere in the US. However we should not support ACORN and we should support organizations with a proven record of doing good work like Habitats for Humanity, Salvation Army, and the Red Cross. Not some political hack group being sold as a "help the poor" charity.

551 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:00:48pm

re: #530 BunnyThief

Let's keep the facts straight. Keefe and TWO others arrested. And not specifically for wiretapping.

We don't know what the hell they were planning on doing. And, based on what has been released so far, it's a moderately safe assumption that they didn't, either.

I'm not talking about their excuse, I wanna hear their explanation. None of this makes any sense whatsoever.

The law doesn't require prosecutors to spell out the whole scheme, only the illegal acts. Sounds like we have that here. But dammit, I want the whole story here!

Here it is again:

Four Men Arrested for Entering Government Property Under False Pretenses for the Purpose of Committing a Felony

NEW ORLEANS—JOSEPH BASEL, age 24; ROBERT FLANAGAN, age 24; JAMES O’KEEFE, age 25; and STAN DAI, age 24, were charged in a criminal complaint with entering federal property under false pretenses for the purpose of committing a felony, announced the United States Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Louisiana.

According to the complaint, which was unsealed earlier today, the arrest of FLANAGAN, BASEL, O’KEEFE, and DAI took place after BASEL and O’KEEFE attempted to gain access to the New Orleans office of United States Senator Mary Landrieu on January 25, 2010, while posing as telephone repairmen. According to the complaint, FLANAGAN and BASEL were each dressed in blue denim pants, blue work shirts, light green fluorescent vests, tool belts, and construction-style hard hats when they entered the Hale Boggs Federal Building, located at 500 Poydras Street, New Orleans, Louisiana 70130. Once in the building, FLANAGAN and BASEL sought access to the offices of Senator Landrieu. O’KEEFE was already present in the office, holding a cellular phone so as to record FLANAGAN and BASEL. Once inside Senator Landrieu’s reception area, FLANAGAN and BASEL told a member of Senator Landrieu’s staff that they were telephone repairmen, and they requested access to the main telephone at the reception desk. FLANAGAN and BASEL then manipulated the telephone system. FLANAGAN and BASEL next requested access to the telephone closet because they needed to perform work on the main telephone system. They were directed to the main office of the United States General Services Administration, also inside the Hale Boggs Federal Building, where they again represented themselves to be employees of the telephone company and stated that they needed to perform repair work in the telephone closet. Both FLANAGAN and BASEL stated that they had left their credentials in their vehicle. In addition, the complaint alleges that O’KEEFE and DAI assisted FLANAGAN and BASEL in the planning, coordination, and preparation of the operation. The men were apprehended by the United States Marshal’s Service soon thereafter.

If convicted, FLANAGAN, BASEL, O’KEEFE, and DAI each face a maximum term of 10 years in prison, a fine of $250,000, and three (3) years of supervised release following any term of imprisonment.

The United States Attorney’s Office reiterated that the complaint is merely a charge and that the guilt of the defendant must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

The investigation is being conducted by Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Deputy Marshals with the United States Marshal’s Service. The case is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorney Jordan Ginsberg.

That's from the FBI. You want to wait and hear their explanation? You'll have to wait for the trial.

552 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:01:09pm

Local news:

Saints, right off the bat.
Haiti aid.
Weather.
Bridge shut down, vehicle on fire.
Saints again.

Not sure if they're ever gonna get to this story.
They'll probably play up the son of William Flanagan, the interim United States Attorney for the Western District of Louisiana.

553 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:01:32pm

re: #533 Thanos

Beauteous! Upding for the gorgeous photo!

554 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:01:41pm

re: #539 reine.de.tout

{dragon lady}
Of course.

Sounds like it calls for Double Secret Probation, to me.

555 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:01:43pm

re: #547 Rightwingconspirator

Nice.

Thanks. Now that you've all been mooned I have to check out a while, family conf call.

556 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:01:53pm

re: #516 Aceofwhat?

whoah. not being fond of ACORN because their management makes Medicare administrators resemble CERN scientists does not equate to "not wanting black people and poor people to vote."

Don't strain your back lifting that massive brush you're painting with...

I''m talking GOP strategy, not individual people. This isn't a broad brush thing at all, it has everything to do with strategy. ACORN primarily registers democrats, it makes good sense to discredit them.

You actually dispute this? You think it's an accident that they've targeted ACORN? You think the coordinated talking points, coorrdinated attacks are accidents and coincidences?

557 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:02:36pm

I thought conservatives were supposed to be the pro-national security side of things.

Bugging a US senator's office, even if you don't like them?

Think about it.

558 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:02:54pm

re: #554 Decatur Deb

???

559 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:03:10pm

re: #551 Gus 802

I think the point is we don't know why. It doesn't seem to make any sense. Maybe they were trying to place a recorder for something they were going to pull later otherwise why would you want to bug the phones at a local reps office?

560 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:03:19pm

re: #545 SanFranciscoZionist

With friends like that who needs...

561 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:03:28pm

re: #556 WindUpBird

I''m talking GOP strategy, not individual people. This isn't a broad brush thing at all, it has everything to do with strategy. ACORN primarily registers democrats, it makes good sense to discredit them.

You actually dispute this? You think it's an accident that they've targeted ACORN? You think the coordinated talking points, coorrdinated attacks are accidents and coincidences?

Nope, i don't dispute "ACORN primarily registers democrats, it makes good sense to discredit them". I dispute "don't want black people and poor people to vote". See what a difference your wording made?

562 SixDegrees  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:03:33pm

re: #357 Killgore Trout

Another Malkin commenter...

Did you happen to notice that Malkin - for once - took an extremely negative view of the perps in this story, and outright condemned their actions?

As you know, I'm no defender of Malkin's. But if all you're going to do is snark and look for the most negative spin on a situation, maybe you need to give your objectivity a reassessment. In particular, it's getting hard to accept your claim that you're non-partisan when you overlook and refuse to report on the main article, and immediately begin dumpster diving through the comments.

It's justifiable when the comments are spurred by the article. But that isn't the case here.

563 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:03:35pm

re: #558 Dragon_Lady

Well of course you don't know about it. It's double secret.

564 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:03:37pm

re: #516 Aceofwhat?

whoah. not being fond of ACORN because their management makes Medicare administrators resemble CERN scientists does not equate to "not wanting black people and poor people to vote."

Don't strain your back lifting that massive brush you're painting with...

And from what I remember, i'm only repeating what Charles has said earlier about the ACORN non-story. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember him pointing out how much sense it makes politicially for the GOP to discredit ACORn during the campaign. So if I am painting with a "broad brush" as you say, I'm painting with the head lizard's broad brush.

565 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:03:52pm

re: #558 Dragon_Lady

???

Animal House.

566 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:04:11pm

re: #546 WindUpBird

heheh.
We'll learn ya some class if it kills ya!

567 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:04:40pm

re: #549 RogueOne

You really think so? Decatur Deb thinks I ought to put on probation. I'm not going to push my luck!

568 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:04:53pm

re: #557 EmmmieG

I thought conservatives were supposed to be the pro-national security side of things.

Bugging a US senator's office, even if you don't like them?

Think about it.

Well, that's exactly what the Muslims were trying to do when they wanted to place "interns" on Capitol Hill, wasn't it?

//

569 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:05:02pm

re: #559 RogueOne

I think the point is we don't know why. It doesn't seem to make any sense. Maybe they were trying to place a recorder for something they were going to pull later otherwise why would you want to bug the phones at a local reps office?

I'll leave the second guessing to Dan Riehl. Right now they're facing serious charges. If we're going to start thinking about "innocent until proven guilty" then that should apply to everyone facing a trial.

570 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:05:27pm

re: #521 Kruk

re: #521 Kruk

Yeah, that whole "universal sufferage" thing is such a drag. What socialist came up with the "All men are created equal" thing, anyway?

Yeah, it annoys me. I don't want it changed, but it still annoys me. I agree with Churchill when he said that democracy is the worst form of government -- except for all the others.

As I said, I've registered to vote at least five times. It's incredibly easy. I think it's just about the right level. I don't want it any easier, and I'd cheerfully flog anyone who made it harder.

What was involved the last time you registered to vote, Kruk? How tough was it for you? Or did you have to be enticed/shamed/harangued into exercising your constitutional right?

Not voting is also a right and a choice. I know a lot of people who are proud of never voting. I don't bother trying to change their minds.

I also have a few friends who I helped decide to take their franchise seriously, and never miss an election. I'm very proud of them.

Democracy is best preserved by an informed electorate.

571 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:05:36pm

re: #565 Decatur Deb

Ahhh, got ya! I had forgotten that!

572 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:05:38pm

re: #564 WindUpBird

see #561

573 blueraven  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:05:48pm

re: #548 Dragon_Lady

You are all too kind! I'll be good from now on, I promise! (I'll try anyways)

I apologize for my #500. I didn't see your later post.

574 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:05:49pm

bbiab friends

575 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:05:57pm

re: #561 Aceofwhat?

Nope, i don't dispute "ACORN primarily registers democrats, it makes good sense to discredit them". I dispute "don't want black people and poor people to vote". See what a difference your wording made?

ACORN doesn't register rich people from the hamptons to vote. I believe the GOP would be overjoyed if black people did not vote. It'd win them a lot of elections.

Now, you think I'm accusing the GOp of racism. I'm actually not! I'm saying that as a voting bloc, black people are advantageous to Ds and disadvantage to Rs.

I'm talking in board game terms, here. They could be black people, they could be guys with one red shoe. The point is, ACORN targets THOSE BLOCS, and those blocs hurt the GOP.

576 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:06:50pm

re: #569 Gus 802

When you get caught in the act it's hard to claim innocence. We know they did it already, now it's just a question of why.

577 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:07:06pm

re: #573 blueraven

No worries! As long as you guy's'll forgive me I'll live with it!

578 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:07:34pm

Local news is finally getting to this story.
They are playing up the Flanagan angle - and . . . it's over. Just a brief couple of sentences.

sheesh.

579 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:07:59pm

W00T!
Video/photo shoot in 5. Gotta go folks!

580 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:08:11pm

re: #578 reine.de.tout

Local news is finally getting to this story.
They are playing up the Flanagan angle - and . . . it's over. Just a brief couple of sentences.

sheesh.

Pretty big sheesh. Did Sr. Flanagan have a quote?

581 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:08:28pm

re: #552 reine.de.tout

Local news:

Saints, right off the bat.
Haiti aid.
Weather.
Bridge shut down, vehicle on fire.
Saints again.

Not sure if they're ever gonna get to this story.
They'll probably play up the son of William Flanagan, the interim United States Attorney for the Western District of Louisiana.

Oh I forgot.. We are meeting in the SuperBowl.. Saints Vs. Colts
Good luck friend..I'm dying my hair Blue monday

582 SixDegrees  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:08:41pm

re: #570 BunnyThief


Democracy is best preserved by an informed electorate.

"Literacy tests" to establish voting eligibility have a long, very unpleasant history that you might want to look into before making such statements.

583 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:08:46pm

re: #580 Stanley Sea

Pretty big sheesh. Did Sr. Flanagan have a quote?

nothing.
I'm wondering what the paper will do with it tomorrow.

584 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:09:39pm

re: #576 RogueOne

When you get caught in the act it's hard to claim innocence. We know they did it already, now it's just a question of why.

If he plea bargains we may find out more. Otherwise it will have to wait for trial. I doubt we'll see any grand juries about this.

As for the why my guess would be that they were just going "fishing" to use for a future exposé like they did with ACORN.

585 lrsshadow  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:10:16pm

re: #556 WindUpBird

I''m talking GOP strategy, not individual people. This isn't a broad brush thing at all, it has everything to do with strategy. ACORN primarily registers democrats, it makes good sense to discredit them.

You actually dispute this? You think it's an accident that they've targeted ACORN? You think the coordinated talking points, coorrdinated attacks are accidents and coincidences?

I do and if you think the republican party is targeting poor black people to keep them from voting then you are an idiot. ACORN has been involved in many criminal prosecutions for voter fraud and other felonies, the videos are just icing on the cake.

We might as well say that Democrats hate farmers and want to see them homeless and starving, because most are conservative, republican, and white, due to Obama refusing to provide water to 40% of California's Agricultural Base.

What better way to destroy the base of the republican party then to take away their homes, lively hoods, and money.

Obviously ACORN is being investigated for illegal activities and Obama doesn't hate white farmers.

586 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:10:17pm

re: #566 reine.de.tout

heheh.
We'll learn ya some class if it kills ya!

I have class, just not all the time! I am many things. One of those things is a snarky bastard. Note my favorite Lizard on the comments for his posts is totally Cato the Elder. He's said far worse about and to people than I ever will. and with more wit and distinction ;-)

f you want to know what it's like talking to me and my partner in person, watch the Venture Bros with the commentary track on. We're like those guys, but perhaps less funny and definitely less successful.

587 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:10:21pm

re: #584 Gus 802

That's the only thing that would make sense.

588 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:11:50pm

re: #581 HoosierHoops

Oh I forgot.. We are meeting in the SuperBowl.. Saints Vs. Colts
Good luck friend..I'm dying my hair Blue monday

Hoops - you've got no idea how thrilled people are about this. None. I never thought I'd see this in my lifetime.

Can you see this?
It's for a bonfire on the levee in St. James Parish.

589 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:12:09pm

re: #562 SixDegrees

Did you happen to notice that Malkin - for once - took an extremely negative view of the perps in this story, and outright condemned their actions?


Yeah, a rare display of common sense from her.

As you know, I'm no defender of Malkin's. But if all you're going to do is snark and look for the most negative spin on a situation, maybe you need to give your objectivity a reassessment. In particular, it's getting hard to accept your claim that you're non-partisan when you overlook and refuse to report on the main article, and immediately begin dumpster diving through the comments.


Bite me.

590 brookly red  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:12:25pm

re: #584 Gus 802

If he plea bargains we may find out more. Otherwise it will have to wait for trial. I doubt we'll see any grand juries about this.

As for the why my guess would be that they were just going "fishing" to use for a future exposé like they did with ACORN.

Grandma always said quit while your ahead...

591 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:12:34pm

re: #587 RogueOne

That's the only thing that would make sense.

Yep, but it's no defense.

Maybe the FBI heard them with their wiretaps. ;)

592 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:12:41pm

re: #522 NJDhockeyfan

You still here? I was lurking the other day and spotted you saying something about starting up a hot sauce company. Do I have that right?

If so, please, please, PLEASE post a link or something when you get it going.

593 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:13:30pm

re: #591 Gus 802

Yep, but it's no defense.

Maybe the FBI heard them with their wiretaps. ;)

No, they're in deep crap. Just an incredibly dumb move all the way around.

594 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:13:32pm

re: #586 WindUpBird

I have class, just not all the time! I am many things. One of those things is a snarky bastard. Note my favorite Lizard on the comments for his posts is totally Cato the Elder. He's said far worse about and to people than I ever will. and with more wit and distinction ;-)

f you want to know what it's like talking to me and my partner in person, watch the Venture Bros with the commentary track on. We're like those guys, but perhaps less funny and definitely less successful.

You know, of course, I'm just kidding with you.
And I love Cato, but I really hate to be on the receiving end of his - wit.

595 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:13:42pm

re: #586 WindUpBird

I think at one time The funniest snark in the world was from Science Fiction 3000..

596 Bagua  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:13:43pm

Now then...

I expect everyone who jumped at me for defending ACORN against false, fabricated or exaggerated charges way back when to apologise one by one.

Please form an orderly line.

597 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:13:53pm

re: #584 Gus 802

If he plea bargains we may find out more. Otherwise it will have to wait for trial. I doubt we'll see any grand juries about this.

As for the why my guess would be that they were just going "fishing" to use for a future exposé like they did with ACORN.

We talked a bit about his history during Pimpgate. Some things O'Keefe pulled are College Republican National Committee shtick (Affirmative Action Bake Sale).
He might be stuck in a mode where he sees this stuff as a college prank. Won't for long.

598 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:13:55pm

re: #551 Gus 802

Gus, nothing about "recording equipment" or the like.

From what we know so far, they ACTED LIKE wiretappers, but didn't have any actual spy gear on them.

What fascinates me most about this is that it simply does not make any sense. They did an incredibly half-assed job, almost literally -- they had the costumes and story down, but no paperwork or equipment to actually do any wiretapping. And, I'd wager, absolutely no clue in how to use wiretapping equipment if they had any.

Oh, I'm not saying that this is nothing, that this is trivial, that this was some kind of a setup. It sure SOUNDS LIKE these three idjits are in a world of legal trouble, and rightfully so.

But isn't anyone else curious as hell to hear the story behind this? To hear what they were intending to do?

That's why I tossed out the "diminished capacity" theory. I can just see them saying "you know, this made a lot more sense when we were drunk/stoned/seriously sleep deprived..."

Which, of course, is not a legal defense. But I'm an American. I demand my entertainment!

599 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:14:05pm

re: #585 lrsshadow

You misrepresented what I said, and completely ignored the distinctions I was making, as you seem to do a lot here.

The GOP doesn't target poor black people, they target ACORN, which itself serves poor black people, and other disadvantaged and minority blocs.

Your farmers analogy is irrelevant and makes no sense. Professions are not equivalent to race or social status.

600 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:15:21pm

re: #594 reine.de.tout

You know, of course, I'm just kidding with you.
And I love Cato, but I really hate to be on the receiving end of his - wit.

I know, I know. ^^ and yeah, i have yet to get pounded by Cato. OTOH, I would probably consider it a badge of honor. It'd be like being punched by John Updike.

601 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:15:35pm

re: #598 BunnyThief

My curiosity runs over !

602 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:15:58pm

re: #339 HoosierHoops

I get emails from a couple of former Lizards.
Usually just friendly stuff.
Not out right invitations...

603 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:16:02pm

re: #595 HoosierHoops

I think at one time The funniest snark in the world was from Science Fiction 3000..

I still have those on VHS! Cave Dwellers and Mitchell being my favorite 8-)

604 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:16:03pm

O'Keefe is in a world of trouble, and it doesn't matter that he uncovered the ACORN malfeasance (which certainly shows a whole boatload of unethical conduct on the part of ACORN employees who were more than willing to share advice on engaging in illicit activities).

He should rightfully be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

And Breitbart and those guys at Big Govt better be sure that they had no clue what O'Keefe was up to or else they'll find themselves in trouble as well.

605 brookly red  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:16:27pm

/so I guess this clears ACORN huh?

606 SixDegrees  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:17:11pm

re: #589 Killgore Trout

Bite me.

No, thanks. But I guess we're now quite clear about your motivations, which are not as pure as you paint them, are they?

And we also now know that you'll misrepresent someone by deliberately ignoring what they say, and trash them by association with what others say. In many other posts, you've been quick to point out that, when others stoop this far, it's commonly referred to as a lie.

Thanks for clearing that up.

607 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:17:21pm

Landrieu Phone Bugging Case: What Is The Pelican Institute?

There's a lot we still don't know about the four men implicated in the alleged attempt to bug Sen. Mary Landrieu's phones yesterday, but a little-known organization called the Pelican Institute appears to be key to the story.
....
Pelican describes itself as a state policy think tank dedicated to advancing "sound policies based on the principles of free enterprise, individual liberty, and limited government."

James O'Keefe, the conservative filmmaker behind the ACORN stings who has been charged in the Landrieu case, was scheduled to give a talk at Pelican last Thursday on "Exposing Truth: Undercover Video, New Media and Creativity."
....
Another of the charged men, Robert Flanagan, works for Pelican, his attorney told the Times-Picayune. Flanagan allegedly dressed up a telephone repairman to infiltrate Landrieu's office.
....
What appears to be his LinkedIn profile says Flanagan was an intern for Rep. Mary Fallin (R-OK) in Washington last year.
...
The Wall Street Journal opinion page published a glowing profile of Pelican and its leader, Kevin Kane, in August 2008:
...
In yet another possible connection to the Landrieu case, Kane also blogs at Big Government, the Andrew Breitbart site.

608 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:17:38pm

re: #588 reine.de.tout

Hoops - you've got no idea how thrilled people are about this. None. I never thought I'd see this in my lifetime.

Can you see this?
It's for a bonfire on the levee in St. James Parish.

You are America's team this year..You are in a way the Cinderella pick for 2010.. Good Luck
/This is the first time in SB history that a Vegas spread moved 2 points the first day..It is now 5 1/2 moving towards a Touchdown.. all the Vegas money is going on the Colts...

609 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:17:51pm

re: #572 Aceofwhat?

see #561

I saw it, it sure is a lot of ASCII characters.

610 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:18:13pm

re: #598 BunnyThief

Gus, nothing about "recording equipment" or the like.

From what we know so far, they ACTED LIKE wiretappers, but didn't have any actual spy gear on them.

What fascinates me most about this is that it simply does not make any sense. They did an incredibly half-assed job, almost literally -- they had the costumes and story down, but no paperwork or equipment to actually do any wiretapping. And, I'd wager, absolutely no clue in how to use wiretapping equipment if they had any.

Oh, I'm not saying that this is nothing, that this is trivial, that this was some kind of a setup. It sure SOUNDS LIKE these three idjits are in a world of legal trouble, and rightfully so.

But isn't anyone else curious as hell to hear the story behind this? To hear what they were intending to do?

That's why I tossed out the "diminished capacity" theory. I can just see them saying "you know, this made a lot more sense when we were drunk/stoned/seriously sleep deprived..."

Which, of course, is not a legal defense. But I'm an American. I demand my entertainment!

It makes perfect sense considering. The wire tapping could be irrelevant with regards to:

entering federal property under false pretenses for the purpose of committing a felony

They broke the law just by entering the premises.

Diminished capacity is no excise.

611 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:18:34pm

re: #596 Bagua

Now then...

I expect everyone who jumped at me for defending ACORN against false, fabricated or exaggerated charges way back when to apologise one by one.

Please form an orderly line.

I'm sorry. Although I don't recall ever jumping on you for that, I'm sure there must be something else I could or should be apologizing for. With that in mind, store this one "I'm sorry" away somewhere for the future. :)

612 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:18:50pm

re: #604 lawhawk

O'Keefe is in a world of trouble, and it doesn't matter that he uncovered the ACORN malfeasance (which certainly shows a whole boatload of unethical conduct on the part of ACORN employees who were more than willing to share advice on engaging in illicit activities).

Given that the evidence from that is doctored videos, are you sure about this claim?

613 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:19:15pm

re: #588 reine.de.tout

Hoops - you've got no idea how thrilled people are about this. None. I never thought I'd see this in my lifetime.

Can you see this?
It's for a bonfire on the levee in St. James Parish.

I'm not even a football fan and I'm rooting for the Saints like crazy this year.

614 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:19:30pm

re: #570 BunnyThief

re: #521 Kruk
What was involved the last time you registered to vote, Kruk? How tough was it for you? Or did you have to be enticed/shamed/harangued into exercising your constitutional right?

How "easy" it was for me (and it was easy indeed) depended on how I entered the process. I'm an educated person who never has to worry about where my next meal was coming from, if I'm going to pay my bills, or if I can take time off from work when I need to without having to worry that the job will be gone when I get back. My biggest worry when I get sick is if I can schedule a doctors' appointment at a convenient time rather whether I can pay for it or if I can see a doctor at all. I'm from a group in society that isn't "profiled" by authorities (either formally or informally) and hence don't have reason to distrust them. I'm not treated as a bad credit risk just because of who I am. That means I engage with society from a position of privilege rather than disadvantage. I recognise that I gain many of those priveleges not because of anything that I did but because of how, where, and to whom I was born. I also recognise that many others haven't had my advantages, and as result may not have as much of a stake in society (including the democratic process) that I do. Because of that, I don't have any sense of superiority over those who need to be helped to exercise their constitutional rights.

615 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:19:40pm

re: #610 Gus 802

It makes perfect sense considering. The wire tapping could be irrelevant with regards to:

entering federal property under false pretenses for the purpose of committing a felony

They broke the law just by entering the premises.

Diminished capacity is no excise.

Diminished capacity is a pretty good predictor of criminal behavior!

616 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:20:02pm

re: #582 SixDegrees

Democracy is best preserved by an informed electorate.

"Literacy tests" to establish voting eligibility have a long, very unpleasant history that you might want to look into before making such statements.

I didn't say that I want any kind of structure to enforce the sentiment. In fact, I have said I oppose ANY attempt to make it harder to register to vote -- or, by extension, actually vote.

I have many opinions. I would like very, very few of them enforced by law.

Do you think that the law should enforce your political opinions? I certainly don't.

617 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:20:25pm

re: #611 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm sorry. Although I don't recall ever jumping on you for that, I'm sure there must be something else I could or should be apologizing for. With that in mind, store this one "I'm sorry" away somewhere for the future. :)

It's like a get out of jail free card :D

618 SixDegrees  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:20:31pm

re: #610 Gus 802

It makes perfect sense considering. The wire tapping could be irrelevant with regards to:

entering federal property under false pretenses for the purpose of committing a felony

They broke the law just by entering the premises.

Diminished capacity is no excise.

Quite correct. Whatever their purpose was in being there, they were already deep into criminal activity just getting there the way they did.

619 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:20:33pm

re: #615 WindUpBird

Diminished capacity is a pretty good predictor of criminal behavior!

As seen on COPS!

"You can't arrest me. I'm drunk!"

/

620 RogueOne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:20:39pm

Dinner time, Cya people.

621 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:21:55pm

re: #615 WindUpBird

Diminished capacity is a pretty good predictor of criminal behavior!

Not to mention web posting!!
//

622 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:21:57pm

re: #616 BunnyThief

I didn't say that I want any kind of structure to enforce the sentiment. In fact, I have said I oppose ANY attempt to make it harder to register to vote -- or, by extension, actually vote.

I have many opinions. I would like very, very few of them enforced by law.

Do you think that the law should enforce your political opinions? I certainly don't.

Uhhh....isn't that the whole point of legislation? I have a political opinion that weed should be legal and health care should be as basic a right as free speech, for example.

623 SixDegrees  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:22:14pm

re: #616 BunnyThief

I didn't say that I want any kind of structure to enforce the sentiment. I

No; you said it would be better if certain people didn't vote. Notably, the "uneducated" ones.

624 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:22:25pm

re: #618 SixDegrees

Quite correct. Whatever their purpose was in being there, they were already deep into criminal activity just getting there the way they did.

Exactly. It's like breaking into a Post Office and then trying to defend oneself by saying "I didn't steal anything!"

625 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:23:31pm

re: #621 rwdflynavy

Not to mention web posting!!
//

Hey, it takes a pretty smart guy (me) to get LGF to run right on a six year old computer! I had to try four browsers and tweak settings to get the site to stop crashing on my tablet PC.

626 brookly red  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:23:34pm

re: #623 SixDegrees

No; you said it would be better if certain people didn't vote. Notably, the "uneducated" ones.

I got 7 years of collage... guess who I didn't vote for :)

627 BunnyThief  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:23:38pm

re: #618 SixDegrees

re: #618 SixDegrees

Quite correct. Whatever their purpose was in being there, they were already deep into criminal activity just getting there the way they did.

Absolutely. No argument whatsoever.

But dang it, Six, ain't you just DYING to hear what these bozos thought they were doing?

If you say you don't care what their story is, you're a danged liar.

Come on, fess up....

628 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:23:43pm

I'm tired, gonna go lay down. Type to you later Lizards.

629 Bagua  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:23:58pm

re: #611 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm sorry. Although I don't recall ever jumping on you for that, I'm sure there must be something else I could or should be apologizing for. With that in mind, store this one "I'm sorry" away somewhere for the future. :)

Thank you Slumbering Behemoth.

next please...

630 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:24:19pm

re: #607 Killgore Trout


James O'Keefe, the conservative filmmaker behind the ACORN stings who has been charged in the Landrieu case, was scheduled to give a talk at Pelican last Thursday on "Exposing Truth: Undercover Video, New Media and Creativity."

I love it when people who presume to be on my side of the political issues gets creative with the truth. It always makes my team look just great.

631 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:24:59pm

re: #628 Dragon_Lady

I'm tired, gonna go lay down. Type to you later Lizards.

Don't forget to clear with your probation officer.

632 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:25:01pm

re: #623 SixDegrees

No; you said it would be better if certain people didn't vote. Notably, the "uneducated" ones.

One of the smartest guys I know dropped out of high school. Amazing artist, programmer, musician, and costume maker. Uneducated, technically, because he educated himself.

633 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:25:26pm

re: #626 brookly red

I got 7 years of collage... guess who I didn't vote for :)

Seven years of collage? Man, I want to go to that art school...

634 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:25:56pm

re: #626 brookly red

I got 7 years of collage... guess who I didn't vote for :)

That's a lot of glue. /

635 maynard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:26:06pm

You know, in all this back and forth as to whether or not Charles posted about the original ACORN sting, I still haven't seen one link to an archived post of his on the subject. Maybe I missed it. If he did post on it then link to it, or at least to an open thread where it was covered. It would add clarity.

And I'm finding it hard to believe these guys will be convicted, since the affidavit makes no mention of any equipment necessary to interfere with the operation of the phone system. Their lawyer is going to hammer that point home if this makes it to trial.

636 CapeCoddah  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:26:30pm

re: #426 BunnyThief

Scumbags do scummy things. Some are illegal, some aren't.

I keep bringing up Darnell Nash because everyone says "it never happened, ever, and Luther Scott Harshbarger says so!" That Harshbarger apparently never heard of Nash makes me wonder what the hell else he missed.

As far as "they register people to vote Democrat" -- that's quite an admission. Legally, ACORN is supposed to be strictly non-partisan. They aren't supposed to favor either party when they're doing registrations.

Good Evening all,
Harsbarger is as I have pointed out before is a Massachusetts bought and paid for partisan hack. He cannot get re-elected here for any office because of his wrongful and malicious prosecution and imprisonment of the innocent Amirault family here. He did that so as to be seen as "tough on crime". It did not matter a whit to him that three innocent people spent years in prison for a crime that simply never occurred.
Personally, I think whatever conclusions he reaches on anything are extremely suspect, to say the least. He cannot be trusted to be fair and impartial as he has proven unequivocally here at home.

637 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:26:39pm

re: #633 WindUpBird

Seven years of collage? Man, I want to go to that art school...

What does a Liberal Arts major ask you?
Refill?
/Ducking

638 Mich-again  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:27:21pm

re: #626 brookly red

I got 7 years of collage... guess who I didn't vote for :)

Another one slips through the dreaded spellchecker loophole!

639 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:27:53pm

re: #626 brookly red

I got 7 years of collage... guess who I didn't vote for :)

Channeling Cato without the snark -

It's college.

640 brookly red  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:28:14pm

re: #633 WindUpBird

Seven years of collage? Man, I want to go to that art school...

well If you can get to Afghanistan, get caught on the battle field, & sent to Guantanamo, you might just qualify for this really cool Saudi program...

641 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:28:26pm

re: #634 Gus 802

That's a lot of glue. /

Ha! Just got that. Didn't see it the first time. :) Up-ding.

642 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:29:04pm

re: #635 maynard

You know, in all this back and forth as to whether or not Charles posted about the original ACORN sting, I still haven't seen one link to an archived post of his on the subject. Maybe I missed it.

You missed it. Several Lizards posted links up thread.

643 SixDegrees  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:29:52pm

re: #627 BunnyThief

re: #618 SixDegrees

Absolutely. No argument whatsoever.

But dang it, Six, ain't you just DYING to hear what these bozos thought they were doing?

If you say you don't care what their story is, you're a danged liar.

Come on, fess up...

Dying to know. Not hardly. I think it's obvious they were trying to collect dirt, similar to what they've done in the past with ACORN. As to the details, I really don't care much; there's more than enough that's known to convict them on very serious charges, and whatever remains will come out in due time.

644 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:29:54pm

re: #632 WindUpBird

One of the smartest guys I know dropped out of high school. Amazing artist, programmer, musician, and costume maker. Uneducated, technically, because he educated himself.

My brother dropped out of college a few weeks into his first semester. He now makes six figures.

645 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:30:24pm

re: #642 Slumbering Behemoth

You missed it. Several Lizards posted links up thread.

However, ACORN is irrelevant in this matter.

646 brookly red  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:30:25pm

re: #639 Stanley Sea

Channeling Cato without the snark -

It's college.

duh... you don't do humor well do you?

647 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:30:27pm

re: #635 maynard

You know, in all this back and forth as to whether or not Charles posted about the original ACORN sting, I still haven't seen one link to an archived post of his on the subject. Maybe I missed it. If he did post on it then link to it, or at least to an open thread where it was covered. It would add clarity.

And I'm finding it hard to believe these guys will be convicted, since the affidavit makes no mention of any equipment necessary to interfere with the operation of the phone system. Their lawyer is going to hammer that point home if this makes it to trial.

re: #635 maynard

You know, in all this back and forth as to whether or not Charles posted about the original ACORN sting, I still haven't seen one link to an archived post of his on the subject. Maybe I missed it. If he did post on it then link to it, or at least to an open thread where it was covered. It would add clarity.

And I'm finding it hard to believe these guys will be convicted, since the affidavit makes no mention of any equipment necessary to interfere with the operation of the phone system. Their lawyer is going to hammer that point home if this makes it to trial.

What are you, helpless? This took me eight seconds: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Under tools, left hand side, click, go to tag storm, Acorn.

648 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:31:16pm

re: #644 Soap_Man

My brother dropped out of college a few weeks into his first semester. He now makes six figures.

Bill Gates is a good example of the dropout :D

649 albusteve  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:31:26pm

re: #608 HoosierHoops

You are America's team this year..You are in a way the Cinderella pick for 2010.. Good Luck
/This is the first time in SB history that a Vegas spread moved 2 points the first day..It is now 5 1/2 moving towards a Touchdown.. all the Vegas money is going on the Colts...

when they add points for the Saints, then it will start to even out...Vegas will not allow a lopsided bet

650 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:31:46pm

They should have known better. I don't know about Mary, but Moon was ....... tres connected. Slipping a wire past his office would have taken more expertise than these two could muster.
I mean, it's New Orleans! Love it, lived four great years there, but they're always looking for a fed around every corner. It's in their DNA.

651 brookly red  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:31:49pm

re: #634 Gus 802

That's a lot of glue. /

Karbona, not glue :)

652 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:31:57pm

re: #640 brookly red

well If you can get to Afghanistan, get caught on the battle field, & sent to Guantanamo, you might just qualify for this really cool Saudi program...

Heh!

653 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:32:23pm

re: #647 WindUpBird

What are you, helpless? This took me eight seconds: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Under tools, left hand side, click, go to tag storm, Acorn.

I never heard of a tag storm until Sharm taught me. How far back does it go?

654 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:32:31pm

re: #640 brookly red

well If you can get to Afghanistan, get caught on the battle field, & sent to Guantanamo, you might just qualify for this really cool Saudi program...

Those guys have nothing to teach me about gluing Angelina Jolie's head on the body of an emu.

655 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:32:43pm

re: #646 brookly red

duh... you don't do humor well do you?

Sometimes. Sometimes not.

656 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:33:04pm

re: #653 Decatur Deb

I never heard of a tag storm until Sharm taught me. How far back does it go?

Into INFINITY.

(actually I have no idea, i assume it brings up every post with that tag on LGF)

657 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:33:16pm

re: #648 WindUpBird

Bill Gates is a good example of the dropout :D

Both myself and my other brother have four-year degrees from pretty good schools. Combined we do not make as much as he does.

658 brookly red  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:33:41pm

re: #654 WindUpBird

Those guys have nothing to teach me about gluing Angelina Jolie's head on the body of an emu.

kinky!

659 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:33:45pm

re: #657 Soap_Man

Both myself and my other brother have four-year degrees from pretty good schools. Combined we do not make as much as he does.

And by "he" I mean my brother. Not Bill Gates. :)

660 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:34:05pm

re: #626 brookly red

I got 7 years of collage... guess who I didn't vote for :)

You might need some more... :P

661 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:34:22pm

re: #637 HoosierHoops

What does a Liberal Arts major ask you?
Refill?
/Ducking

hahaha I wish that was my experience at a liberal arts college! I got As, didn't drink at the time, was bored to death, transferred to art school.

662 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:34:26pm

re: #655 Stanley Sea

Sometimes. Sometimes not.

You too, huh? It runs in my family, as well. I gotta son on the bad end of the spectrum, and me, sitting there listening to my wife telling me every fault and flaw of mine is because of my own position on the spectrum.

Hang in there.

663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:34:35pm

re: #657 Soap_Man

Nothing personal, but we'll file that under "no shit".

664 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:35:18pm

re: #659 Soap_Man

And by "he" I mean my brother. Not Bill Gates. :)

Heh. I was just about to ask that. If you even came close, to Bill, I would want to know what that "pretty good" college was.

665 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:36:01pm

re: #646 brookly red

I do laugh when I see your nic and remember the story on how you registered so fast.

666 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:36:04pm

re: #639 Stanley Sea

Channeling Cato without the snark


/Dude/
That'd be your textbook Oxymoron.

667 maynard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:36:19pm

re: #647 WindUpBird

What are you, helpless?

Hey, everyone has a first time for using every tool. No need to get personal. It detracts from the dignified debate going on in this hallowed hall.

668 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:36:26pm

re: #653 Decatur Deb

I never heard of a tag storm until Sharm taught me. How far back does it go?

Pretty far back...

669 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:36:35pm

re: #619 Gus 802

As seen on COPS!

"You can't arrest me. I'm drunk!"

/

Y'all are brutalizing me!

670 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:36:40pm

re: #663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nothing personal, but we'll file that under "no shit".

I thought you did mean Gates. heh.

671 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:36:43pm

re: #657 Soap_Man

Both myself and my other brother have four-year degrees from pretty good schools. Combined we do not make as much as he does.

yeah, but there's also what you want to do with your life, which to me, rates higher than salary. I know many friends of mine who make north of $200,000 a year, but they're way too busy, way too stressed, and never seem to have any free time. I get to do exactly what I want, and make a living at it. I won't have the Porsche and the big house (well, maybe a used Boxster someday) but I'm pretty happy.

But yeah, point taken. Never underestimate the smart guy, no matter his level of school.

672 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:36:43pm

re: #656 WindUpBird

Into INFINITY.

(actually I have no idea, i assume it brings up every post with that tag on LGF)

Seems too small for all posts, and there's no target for "Boob Puns".

673 brookly red  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:37:23pm

re: #660 JasonA

Oh Lord, why am I surrounded by the humorless...

674 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:37:56pm

re: #626 brookly red
You do realize you'll get shellacked for that one .//

675 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:38:12pm

re: #657 Soap_Man

Both myself and my other brother have four-year degrees from pretty good schools. Combined we do not make as much as he does.

My brother-in-law is a physician and he makes millions. But he is such a stingy bastard that he lives like a homeless guy.

676 brookly red  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:38:23pm

re: #665 Stanley Sea

I do laugh when I see your nic and remember the story on how you registered so fast.

it still hurts when it rains...

677 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:38:26pm

re: #671 WindUpBird

yeah, but there's also what you want to do with your life, which to me, rates higher than salary. I know many friends of mine who make north of $200,000 a year, but they're way too busy, way too stressed, and never seem to have any free time. I get to do exactly what I want, and make a living at it. I won't have the Porsche and the big house (well, maybe a used Boxster someday) but I'm pretty happy.

But yeah, point taken. Never underestimate the smart guy, no matter his level of school.

My brother is one of those lucky people who makes a ton AND loves what he does.

Bastard. :)

678 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:38:30pm

re: #649 albusteve

when they add points for the Saints, then it will start to even out...Vegas will not allow a lopsided bet

Yup.. Peyton just destroyed the #1 Defense in Football.. He is hot..
But the Saints have never seen a fast defense like the Colts.. Bracket said they get faster in the second half..The Colts can hold any team in football to 17 or less points..Everybody knows it...Money on the Colts..Heart with the Saints... Love you Saints Fans..I really do...

679 brookly red  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:39:13pm

re: #674 tradewind

You do realize you'll get shellacked for that one .//

nothing to get in a huff about ;)

680 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:39:50pm

re: #677 Soap_Man

My brother is one of those lucky people who makes a ton AND loves what he does.

Bastard. :)

Son of a bitch!

(well, someone's got to win at life, may as well be him)

681 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:41:02pm

re: #679 brookly red

nothing to get in a huff about ;)

I'd like to apologize to you for my poor posts towards you yesterday. I was already in such a bad mood that I shouldn't have been posting. Sorry.

682 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:41:11pm

re: #680 WindUpBird

Son of a bitch!

(well, someone's got to win at life, may as well be him)

Don't forget, though, the sage observation of Truman Capote:

It is not enough to succeed; others must fail.

683 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:41:14pm

re: #679 brookly red

nothing to get in a huff about ;)

That's the unvarnished truth.

684 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:41:21pm

re: #675 Alouette

My brother-in-law is a physician and he makes millions. But he is such a stingy bastard that he lives like a homeless guy.

You know what they day, if you want to be a millionaire, don't spend money like you're a millionaire.

It's like my girlfriend's parents. They are paying for her medical schooling in cash, all four years up front. It's not because they are crazy wealthy. It's because they both make pretty good money, but live very, very modestly.

685 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:42:03pm

re: #682 Guanxi88

Don't forget, though, the sage observation of Truman Capote:

It is not enough to succeed; others must fail.

"Success is making more than your wife's sister's husband". :)

686 generalsparky  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:42:13pm

re: #657 Soap_Man

Both myself and my other brother have four-year degrees from pretty good schools. Combined we do not make as much as he does.

My BIL graduated from Southern Methodist University and my SIL graduated from Sarah Lawrence College. Neither of them have used their degrees or even held real jobs outside of the failing family business. My husband (the baby of the family) is enlisted in the Air Force and has his degree from a state university. Guess who is considered the "loser" in the family?

(Hint: it's the only one with a real job.)

687 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:42:27pm

re: #684 Soap_Man

You know what they day, if you want to be a millionaire, don't spend money like you're a millionaire.

It's like my girlfriend's parents. They are paying for her medical schooling in cash, all four years up front. It's not because they are crazy wealthy. It's because they both make pretty good money, but live very, very modestly.

PIMF, that should be "say" not "day"

688 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:42:31pm

re: #685 Kruk

"Success is making more than your wife's sister's husband". :)

A tragedy is when I get a hangnail. Comedy is when my neighbor falls off his roof.

689 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:42:47pm

re: #679 brookly red
well.... collage....shellac...shee-yit...
Going to google huff now.
:)

690 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:43:13pm

re: #688 Guanxi88

A tragedy is when I get a hangnail. Comedy is when my neighbor falls off his roof.

As long as he isn't hurt....I'd laugh!
/bad, Varek, bad!

691 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:43:47pm

re: #682 Guanxi88
The sultan of schadenfreude, that one.

692 brookly red  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:43:53pm

re: #681 Varek Raith

I'd like to apologize to you for my poor posts towards you yesterday. I was already in such a bad mood that I shouldn't have been posting. Sorry.

it's all good... nobody gets hurt & some people even get a chuckle. what could be better?

693 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:43:57pm

re: #688 Guanxi88

A tragedy is when I get a hangnail. Comedy is when my neighbor falls off his roof.

[Link: www.quotationspage.com...]

Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die.


The 'death' part makes it funnier. Death is funny.

694 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:44:43pm

re: #691 tradewind

The sultan of schadenfreude, that one.

hey, it takes all kinds to make the world - there's a definite need for a guy like Capote.

695 brookly red  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:44:53pm

re: #689 tradewind

well... collage...shellac...shee-yit...
Going to google huff now.
:)

careful that can give you drain bramage...

696 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:45:00pm

re: #693 Obdicut

[Link: www.quotationspage.com...]

Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die.

The 'death' part makes it funnier. Death is funny.

Comedy is tragedy plus time.
-Carol Burnette

697 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:45:07pm

re: #693 Obdicut

[Link: www.quotationspage.com...]

Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die.

The 'death' part makes it funnier. Death is funny.

Metalocalypse shows that well. Death is the ultimate slapstick!

698 albusteve  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:45:08pm

re: #678 HoosierHoops

Yup.. Peyton just destroyed the #1 Defense in Football.. He is hot..
But the Saints have never seen a fast defense like the Colts.. Bracket said they get faster in the second half..The Colts can hold any team in football to 17 or less points..Everybody knows it...Money on the Colts..Heart with the Saints... Love you Saints Fans..I really do...

I probably would not bet a lot of money on this game...Saints and 8 to even consider it...it's hard because you have to be very good to get to the SB, luck doesn't count anymore...I called the Cardinals last year and everybody laughed at me....I said Farve was not washed up and everybody laughed at me again...I will say there is no doubt in my mind that the Saints can win this game...even going away...the biggest questions are do the Saints fear Manning?....will inexperience doom the Saints?

699 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:45:16pm

re: #688 Guanxi88

A tragedy is when I get a hangnail. Comedy is when my neighbor falls off his roof.

An economist's view of the economy:

"A recession is when other people lose their jobs. A depression is when economists lose their jobs."

700 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:45:47pm

Wow, it seems everyone but me has a Twitter account.

701 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:45:52pm

re: #691 tradewind

The sultan of schadenfreude, that one.

Also wrote one of the greatest books of all time.

702 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:45:53pm

re: #693 Obdicut

I laugh at the winners of the Darwin Awards.....
The guy in Brazil? who was trying to get scrap metal from an RPG...He hit it with a hammer...Guess what happened next.
...

703 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:45:58pm

re: #697 WindUpBird

Metalocalypse shows that well. Death is the ultimate slapstick!

Ya know, just when I thought there was absolutely no common ground at all with you.....

704 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:46:10pm

re: #696 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I love the Dr. Katz episode where it's revealed he can't stop laughing when he hears about a relative's death. "I can't help it. They're there one minute, gone the next. It's like slapstick!"

Gallows humor is the gravest.

705 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:46:10pm

re: #684 Soap_Man

You know what they day, if you want to be a millionaire, don't spend money like you're a millionaire.

It's like my girlfriend's parents. They are paying for her medical schooling in cash, all four years up front. It's not because they are crazy wealthy. It's because they both make pretty good money, but live very, very modestly.


Being frugal and living modestly and within your means in one thing. My brother-in-law goes way, way beyond that. He fixes his glasses with scotch tape. He collects casino chits for free meals.

706 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:46:58pm

re: #702 Varek Raith

He fixes the cable?

/

re: #705 Alouette


What era is he, if I may ask?

707 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:47:03pm

re: #705 Alouette

Being frugal and living modestly and within your means in one thing. My brother-in-law goes way, way beyond that. He fixes his glasses with scotch tape. He collects casino chits for free meals.

Older generation, as they say?

708 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:47:04pm

re: #703 Guanxi88

Ya know, just when I thought there was absolutely no common ground at all with you...

Pickles is my favorite. :D

709 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:47:40pm

re: #684 Soap_Man

You know what they day, if you want to be a millionaire, don't spend money like you're a millionaire.

It's like my girlfriend's parents. They are paying for her medical schooling in cash, all four years up front. It's not because they are crazy wealthy. It's because they both make pretty good money, but live very, very modestly.


I hate that..If I was crazy rich I'd own a Hotel in Hawaii, Lay on the beach during the day..Party at night, Comp Brad Pitt and Angelina free rooms and kids..and fly on my private jet to my Winery in Napa Valley...Own a 5 star Bistro and break up with Brittney Spears...

710 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:47:58pm

re: #686 generalsparky
We yanked fair haired son out of SMU two years in and sent him to a state unversity.....too much money to spend on too much frat party time, too little studying . He made the Dean's List his senior year, went to the Left Coast and got his masters'.
I loved Highland Park, but it was not the real world.

711 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:48:08pm

re: #705 Alouette

Being frugal and living modestly and within your means in one thing. My brother-in-law goes way, way beyond that. He fixes his glasses with scotch tape. He collects casino chits for free meals.


*blinks* What's the point of having all the money, then?

712 maynard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:48:09pm

re: #642 Slumbering Behemoth

You missed it. Several Lizards posted links up thread.

Thanks, I appreciate that.

713 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:48:15pm

re: #706 Obdicut

Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey :D

714 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:48:24pm

"Idea for our last song, ever: "Killed by a Troll."

715 prairiefire  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:48:33pm

re: #703 Guanxi88

For all the contentious couples out there. Don't let it come to this:

716 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:48:35pm

Evening all. So what's going on on besides 4 idiots who don't have a clue about how to bug a phone?

717 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:48:46pm

re: #707 Guanxi88

Older generation, as they say?

He is 55, never lived through a war or a depression. Now, my in-laws were very frugal because they lived through the depression, but my husband and my sister-in-law enjoy living well and do not have this skinflint mentality. My BIL however, defines stinginess.

718 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:49:20pm

re: #711 JasonA

*blinks* What's the point of having all the money, then?

Spending it all on a Ferrari 360, of course.

719 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:49:23pm

re: #711 JasonA

*blinks* What's the point of having all the money, then?

So Uncle Sam can grab it all when he dies intestate.

720 prairiefire  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:49:29pm

re: #717 Alouette

I think it gets to be a game for some folks.

721 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:49:35pm

re: #714 Varek Raith

"Idea for our last song, ever: "Killed by a Troll."

THE GRANDPA'S GUITARS ARE SMASHED!

722 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:49:55pm

re: #718 WindUpBird

Spending it all on a Ferrari 360, of course.

He drives a '90 Chevy Geo that he services himself.

723 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:50:46pm

re: #717 Alouette

He is 55, never lived through a war or a depression. Now, my in-laws were very frugal because they lived through the depression, but my husband and my sister-in-law enjoy living well and do not have this skinflint mentality. My BIL however, defines stinginess.

That's a shame, a real shame. The Rambam, taking up Aristotle's advice, would have him compelled to make a series of small, unnecessary expenditures (from his standpoint) that would yet benefit others, to build the virtue of charity and the habit of a more reasonable handling of money.

Lao Tzu points out that the wealthy are those who know they have enough. The BIL is wealthy, but doesn't know it yet.

724 generalsparky  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:50:53pm

re: #710 tradewind

We yanked fair haired son out of SMU two years in and sent him to a state unversity...too much money to spend on too much frat party time, too little studying . He made the Dean's List his senior year, went to the Left Coast and got his masters'.
I loved Highland Park, but it was not the real world.

My husband has finally realized that growing up in Highland Park was a bubble not a realistic place.

725 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:51:24pm

Nathan: Wait, Toki, why'd you stop playing?
Toki: I... have a confessions to makes. I can'ts reads music.
Skwisgaar: Dudes, Toki can't read music. Hah! It's a laugh!
Toki: Can you?
Skwisgaar: No. I haves music dyslex-kia. You know that. I... don't wish to talk about it.
Nathan: Wait, then how were - how were you playing that song?
Toki: Honestly, I was just hitting any note.
Skwisgaar: Yeah, me too. That's an old music school trick.
Nathan: Sounded pretty good.
Skwisgaar: Yeah I know, it sounds pretty good. I think we got lucky.

726 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:51:27pm

re: #720 prairiefire

I think it gets to be a game for some folks.

I totally think that's it. A game plus "hey, what if I REALLY need this money?" Most of the frugal people I know are actually poor, but sort of can live a little large because winning at the frugal game means they're great at bartering and scavenging on craigslist for stuff that normally would cost them thousands of dollars. Freecycle is a beautiful thing.

727 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:51:37pm

re: #719 Alouette

So Uncle Sam can grab it all when he dies intestate.

"There's no point being the richest person in the graveyard".

728 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:52:03pm

re: #723 Guanxi88

That's a shame, a real shame. The Rambam, taking up Aristotle's advice, would have him compelled to make a series of small, unnecessary expenditures (from his standpoint) that would yet benefit others, to build the virtue of charity and the habit of a more reasonable handling of money.

Lao Tzu points out that the wealthy are those who know they have enough. The BIL is wealthy, but doesn't know it yet.

My brother-in-law's idea of "charity" is to show up on Friday night at some random rabbi's house, so he can get a free meal and they can have the mitzvah of hosting a guest for the Sabbath.

729 maynard  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:52:31pm

re: #707 Guanxi88

Older generation, as they say?

There's an older generation that does this, their behavior can be attributed to lessons learned in the Great Depression. There are younger folks who do this too, their behavior can be attributed to not paying attention in economics class to the laws of diminishing marginal value and return.

730 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:52:34pm

re: #725 Varek Raith

Nathan: Wait, Toki, why'd you stop playing?
Toki: I... have a confessions to makes. I can'ts reads music.
Skwisgaar: Dudes, Toki can't read music. Hah! It's a laugh!
Toki: Can you?
Skwisgaar: No. I haves music dyslex-kia. You know that. I... don't wish to talk about it.
Nathan: Wait, then how were - how were you playing that song?
Toki: Honestly, I was just hitting any note.
Skwisgaar: Yeah, me too. That's an old music school trick.
Nathan: Sounded pretty good.
Skwisgaar: Yeah I know, it sounds pretty good. I think we got lucky.

The secret eating sessions in the closet, when they were made anorexic by their costumer - great stuff.

731 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:52:48pm

re: #710 tradewind

We yanked fair haired son out of SMU two years in and sent him to a state unversity...too much money to spend on too much frat party time, too little studying . He made the Dean's List his senior year, went to the Left Coast and got his masters'.
I loved Highland Park, but it was not the real world.

I have such a completely different view of college than most people. No partying, no dorms, no drinking, no social life at all, 18 hours a day of work, 6 days a week.

of course, I learned a lot 8-)

732 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:53:00pm

re: #709 HoosierHoops

If I ever win big lotto money, I'm gonna get a pilots license, and a neat little plane. Maybe buy a farm down in Peru.

733 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:53:16pm

He once had my mother-in-law push him in a wheelchair so that she could get the free bus ride for senior citizens and he could get the free bus ride for the disabled.

734 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:53:29pm

re: #705 Alouette

Being frugal and living modestly and within your means in one thing. My brother-in-law goes way, way beyond that. He fixes his glasses with scotch tape. He collects casino chits for free meals.

Yeah, that's a little over the top.

735 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:53:51pm

re: #728 Alouette

My brother-in-law's idea of "charity" is to show up on Friday night at some random rabbi's house, so he can get a free meal and they can have the mitzvah of hosting a guest for the Sabbath.

Heh. That's just a bit sad.

736 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:53:59pm

re: #729 maynard

There's an older generation that does this, their behavior can be attributed to lessons learned in the Great Depression. There are younger folks who do this too, their behavior can be attributed to not paying attention in economics class to the laws of diminishing marginal value and return.

Or they just have better things to spend their money on. I know a couple who lives very frugally, so they can travel the world a month each year.

737 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:54:11pm

For some people it seems like the whole point behind having money is to keep it from other people. I don't get it.

738 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:54:12pm

re: #728 Alouette

My brother-in-law's idea of "charity" is to show up on Friday night at some random rabbi's house, so he can get a free meal and they can have the mitzvah of hosting a guest for the Sabbath.

Arrgh! It's not enough he practices a vice, he has to try to turn even that into something of benefit. I don't know the man (the geo thing, on it's own, I'd consider a quirk) but I think there might be a problem there. Best wishes for him and his family.

739 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:54:23pm

re: #733 Alouette

He once had my mother-in-law push him in a wheelchair so that she could get the free bus ride for senior citizens and he could get the free bus ride for the disabled.

How much did he spend on the wheelchair he used to get the free bus ride?

740 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:54:50pm

re: #733 Alouette

He once had my mother-in-law push him in a wheelchair so that she could get the free bus ride for senior citizens and he could get the free bus ride for the disabled.

That's not being frugal. That's just being plain assed cheap/criminal.

741 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:55:12pm

re: #575 WindUpBird

ACORN doesn't register rich people from the hamptons to vote. I believe the GOP would be overjoyed if black people did not vote. It'd win them a lot of elections.

Now, you think I'm accusing the GOp of racism. I'm actually not! I'm saying that as a voting bloc, black people are advantageous to Ds and disadvantage to Rs.

I'm talking in board game terms, here. They could be black people, they could be guys with one red shoe. The point is, ACORN targets THOSE BLOCS, and those blocs hurt the GOP.

Uh-huh. Now, you could be right about some in the GOP. I personally think that they deserve to be targeted because when their operatives (note i'm not condemning every branch of the organization...medium-sized brush for painting here) get caught falsifying registrations, they always seem to be registering Democrats. Why is that, do you think?

I don't have any issue with ACORN's target demographic. I have issues with their integrity, as do many in the Grand Old Party. It's a management issue, in that they often lack it.

742 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:55:24pm

re: #737 JasonA

For some people it seems like the whole point behind having money is to keep it from other people. I don't get it.

Sigh...they can just, you know, let me have it??? I can spend it for them...:D

743 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:55:51pm

re: #730 Guanxi88

The secret eating sessions in the closet, when they were made anorexic by their costumer - great stuff.

Brendan Small is great live, as well. Seen him do the Metalocalypse thing live twice. Of course, they were playing with Mastodon the second time, kinda hard to top the 'Don.

744 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:55:52pm

re: #704 Obdicut

Speaking of Dr. Katz and Manatees...

Well, I was speaking of Manatees to someone else...

One time, a while back.

Don't really remember.

745 generalsparky  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:56:18pm

re: #733 Alouette

He once had my mother-in-law push him in a wheelchair so that she could get the free bus ride for senior citizens and he could get the free bus ride for the disabled.

*tears are rolling I am laughing so hard*

746 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:56:35pm

re: #737 JasonA

For some people it seems like the whole point behind having money is to keep it from other people. I don't get it.

The craziest thing I've ever seen my gf's parents do is when her dad was squeezing a tea bag for five minutes trying to get every single drop out of it. Then he put it in a plastic bag to use a second time later in the day. I'm sitting there like "What is this, the fucking Great Depression?"

747 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:56:49pm

re: #336 Locker
Oh, ACORN's mission statements?
Really?
Let's take the mission statement of say, Hamas.
If you judged them ( Hamas) by their mission statements, you'd think they were a supremely humanitarian quasi Red Cross, Palestinian style.
Can't judge a group by its mission statement.

748 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:57:08pm

re: #741 Aceofwhat?

Uh-huh. Now, you could be right about some in the GOP. I personally think that they deserve to be targeted because when their operatives (note i'm not condemning every branch of the organization...medium-sized brush for painting here) get caught falsifying registrations, they always seem to be registering Democrats. Why is that, do you think?

I don't have any issue with ACORN's target demographic. I have issues with their integrity, as do many in the Grand Old Party. It's a management issue, in that they often lack it.

I really don't disagree with your sentiments here. I'd tweak them, but I think it has more to do with the culture of the organization being Democratic, rather than a specific top-down thing.

749 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:57:50pm

re: #2 Locker

It's hard to fathom what this guy was thinking... seriously. It's almost like he wanted to get arrested.

Have to agree. Almost like he is trying to establish, or pad his credentials with the Movement.

750 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:58:32pm

re: #724 generalsparky
It's still a fun place to shop. And at least private school is not a necessity. But wow....

751 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:58:55pm

re: #702 Varek Raith

I laugh at the winners of the Darwin Awards...
The guy in Brazil? who was trying to get scrap metal from an RPG...He hit it with a hammer...Guess what happened next.
...

Something Ogrish?

/

752 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:59:00pm

re: #733 Alouette

He once had my mother-in-law push him in a wheelchair so that she could get the free bus ride for senior citizens and he could get the free bus ride for the disabled.

Okay, he's officially the most awesome human. That goes beyond frugal and into Merry Prankster territory.

753 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:59:01pm

re: #747 tradewind

Oh, ACORN's mission statements?
Really?
Let's take the mission statement of say, Hamas.
If you judged them ( Hamas) by their mission statements, you'd think they were a supremely humanitarian quasi Red Cross, Palestinian style.
Can't judge a group by its mission statement.

Doesn't their charter say something about wiping the Jews off the face of the earth?

754 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 4:59:02pm

re: #743 WindUpBird

Brendan Small is great live, as well. Seen him do the Metalocalypse thing live twice. Of course, they were playing with Mastodon the second time, kinda hard to top the 'Don.

I have their first CD....XD

755 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:00:02pm

Hey, I have an LFG question. What is the "favorite" button (the little heart) and what does it do?

756 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:00:06pm

re: #751 Gus 802
So that's where the writers of Lost came up with last season's finale ...

757 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:00:06pm

re: #747 tradewind

Oh, ACORN's mission statements?
Really?
Let's take the mission statement of say, Hamas.
If you judged them ( Hamas) by their mission statements, you'd think they were a supremely humanitarian quasi Red Cross, Palestinian style.
Can't judge a group by its mission statement.

Yes, because ACORN is totally equivalent to Hamas. 9_9

758 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:00:26pm

re: #733 Alouette

He once had my mother-in-law push him in a wheelchair so that she could get the free bus ride for senior citizens and he could get the free bus ride for the disabled.

I have a friend who got a handicapped permit for his daughter for Disney World. The front of every line, etc.

Wasn't nothing wrong with her except for her father was a fucking nut-job.

759 albusteve  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:00:46pm

re: #755 Soap_Man

Hey, I have an LFG question. What is the "favorite" button (the little heart) and what does it do?

click it and find out!

760 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:00:54pm

re: #753 MandyManners
Oh, details......//

761 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:01:07pm

re: #756 tradewind

So that's where the writers of Lost came up with last season's finale ...

Was it gross?

762 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:01:09pm

re: #754 Varek Raith

I have their first CD...XD

I have both, they're good! It's honestly less my style of metal, I'm more of a stoner doom/prog kinda guy, but the guy can play.

763 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:01:14pm

re: #746 Soap_Man

The craziest thing I've ever seen my gf's parents do is when her dad was squeezing a tea bag for five minutes trying to get every single drop out of it. Then he put it in a plastic bag to use a second time later in the day. I'm sitting there like "What is this, the fucking Great Depression?"

Would good is it to be rich if you can't take it out for a spin once in a while?

764 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:01:23pm

re: #759 albusteve

click it and find out!

Its the History Eraser Button You Fool!!!

Any Ren and Stimpy fans in the house?

765 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:01:58pm

re: #755 Soap_Man

Hey, I have an LFG question. What is the "favorite" button (the little heart) and what does it do?

You have a "favorites" link in your account. The little heart turns green when you put a comment, or a link into your favorites. Then you can easily find it again!

Doesn't Charles give us great toys?

766 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:02:14pm

re: #764 rwdflynavy

Its the History Eraser Button You Fool!!!

Any Ren and Stimpy fans in the house?

THESE DIRTY HANDS!!!

Yup :)

767 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:02:18pm

re: #755 Soap_Man

What is the "favorite" button (the little heart) and what does it do?

It's the super sekrit lizard dating service... but you have to have a web camera for it to work best...

768 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:02:24pm

re: #765 Floral Giraffe

You have a "favorites" link in your account. The little heart turns green when you put a comment, or a link into your favorites. Then you can easily find it again!

Doesn't Charles give us great toys?

But can it order pizza???

769 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:02:26pm

re: #751 Gus 802

Something Ogrish?

/

Our army sells "inert" munitions scrap to recyclers. Every couple years a buyer puts a welding torch to something that wasn't supposed to get loose.

770 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:02:29pm

re: #733 Alouette

He once had my mother-in-law push him in a wheelchair so that she could get the free bus ride for senior citizens and he could get the free bus ride for the disabled.

Now, that's just weird.

You know - there have been some studies that have shown that some people feel guilty about their financial success - sort of like they feel like they don't really deserve it, and so they can't relax and enjoy it.

771 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:03:06pm

re: #759 albusteve

click it and find out!

Oh, I see. I feel like Dr. Grant in Jurassic Park, I don't want to touch anything because I might break it.

772 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:03:23pm

re: #769 Decatur Deb

Our army sells "inert" munitions scrap to recyclers. Every couple years a buyer puts a welding torch to something that wasn't supposed to get loose.

Ah. They still doing the blue paint for inert?

773 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:03:30pm

re: #755 Soap_Man

Hey, I have an LFG question. What is the "favorite" button (the little heart) and what does it do?

Soap, where you login up top, there's a link with a heart called My Favorites. The favorite posts you click go there.

Marj the Answer Girl

774 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:03:30pm

re: #757 WindUpBird
Reading (Comprehension) Is Fundamental.
(Unless I actually alleged that and somehow missed it completely) .////

775 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:03:31pm

re: #764 rwdflynavy

Its the History Eraser Button You Fool!!!

Any Ren and Stimpy fans in the house?

If you haven't read John Kricfalusi's blog, it's a riot. it features quotes like "I stole those tit eyes from Chuck Jones."

776 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:03:40pm

re: #755 Soap_Man

It's there to remind you to up-ding FBV's every post 'cause you think he's smart and sexy.

You didn't know that?

777 albusteve  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:04:11pm

re: #763 HoosierHoops

Would good is it to be rich if you can't take it out for a spin once in a while?

I'm so frugal, my all time dream car costs only around 50k...and I have an inheritance coming I don't need...hmmm

778 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:04:19pm

re: #738 Guanxi88

Arrgh! It's not enough he practices a vice, he has to try to turn even that into something of benefit. I don't know the man (the geo thing, on it's own, I'd consider a quirk) but I think there might be a problem there. Best wishes for him and his family.

"He has all the virtues i dislike and none of the vices i admire"

-Churchill

779 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:04:25pm

re: #774 tradewind

Reading (Comprehension) Is Fundamental.
(Unless I actually alleged that and somehow missed it completely) .///

I'm just saying, you could have brought up a million different organizations with mission statements that didn't reflect their actual behavior.

780 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:04:30pm

re: #755 Soap_Man

Hey, I have an LFG question. What is the "favorite" button (the little heart) and what does it do?

DON'T TOUCH IT!

781 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:04:36pm

re: #761 Gus 802
Pretty explosive.

782 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:04:41pm

re: #753 MandyManners

Why, yes I do believe it does.

"Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, a religious and political pan-Arab organization with branches throughout the Arab world. In 1988, Hamas wrote its charter, which calls for the destruction of the state of Israel and swears to "raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine." The charter is still in effect today."

But I would lay odds you already knew this. Didn't you?

783 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:04:48pm

re: #769 Decatur Deb

Our army sells "inert" munitions scrap to recyclers. Every couple years a buyer puts a welding torch to something that wasn't supposed to get loose.

Heh. And ouch.

"Do you even know inert mean?"

"Of course I do. It means it isn't.....ert."

"Wouldn't ert a fly."

(Bonus marks to anyone who gets *that* one.)

784 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:04:56pm

History Eraser Button. :D
[Link: www.metacafe.com...]

785 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:05:23pm

re: #760 tradewind

Oh, details...//

They're so pesky.

786 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:05:49pm

re: #772 Gus 802

Ah. They still doing the blue paint for inert?

Were when I left. It was always hard to teach engineers that the blue round with the gold fuze was only inert up to the end of the blue.

787 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:05:51pm

I hate it when I step away for a few minutes and when I come back the little button says

new comments (237).

Did I miss anything?

/

788 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:06:03pm

Ooops... loose lips sink ships:

McGraw Hill CEO: Apple Releasing iPhone OS-Based Tablet Tomorrow

So, among other things, tomorrow's coming-out of the new product is indeed a "book" reader.

Yesterday the NYTimes spilled that they have been working on an electronic version for the new device too.

The Steve isn't keeping his secrets as well as he used to.

789 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:06:10pm

re: #764 rwdflynavy

Its the History Eraser Button You Fool!!!

Any Ren and Stimpy fans in the house?

"Got any rubber walrus covers?"
[walrus] "call the police"

790 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:06:13pm

re: #755 Soap_Man

Hey, I have an LFG question. What is the "favorite" button (the little heart) and what does it do?

Good question.. What it does is save it to a folder called favorites...It's an easy quick way to review your favorite stuff here..

791 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:06:14pm

re: #779 WindUpBird
Hamas seemed an easily understood example of an organization that strays as far afield from its statement of purpose as can be imagined.

792 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:06:16pm

re: #777 albusteve

I'm so frugal, my all time dream car costs only around 50k...and I have an inheritance coming I don't need...hmmm

Mine's a Lotus Elise, and I could buy one for about $30,000 lightly used. The most pure driving experience doesn't cost a fortune, it just weighs less than 2000 pounds.

793 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:06:44pm

re: #786 Decatur Deb

Were when I left. It was always hard to teach engineers that the blue round with the gold fuze was only inert up to the end of the blue.

Oh, now that would be something to pay attention to.

794 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:07:59pm

re: #780 Slumbering Behemoth

DON'T TOUCH IT!

Haha! GMTA!
:D

795 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:08:02pm

re: #748 WindUpBird

I really don't disagree with your sentiments here. I'd tweak them, but I think it has more to do with the culture of the organization being Democratic, rather than a specific top-down thing.

fair enough! what should we debate now?

796 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:08:02pm

re: #782 Bubblehead II

Why, yes I do believe it does.

"Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, a religious and political pan-Arab organization with branches throughout the Arab world. In 1988, Hamas wrote its charter, which calls for the destruction of the state of Israel and swears to "raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine." The charter is still in effect today."

But I would lay odds you already knew this. Didn't you?

You betcha'.

797 albusteve  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:08:04pm

re: #792 WindUpBird

Mine's a Lotus Elise, and I could buy one for about $30,000 lightly used. The most pure driving experience doesn't cost a fortune, it just weighs less than 2000 pounds.

style adds up....
Image: JamesBucks69Camaro.jpg

798 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:08:05pm

re: #791 tradewind

Hamas seemed an easily understood example of an organization that strays as far afield from its statement of purpose as can be imagined.

And that is comparable to ACORN how? ACORN is an organization that is screwy and mismanaged, and not really straying cosmically far from its charter at all.

799 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:08:27pm

re: #790 HoosierHoops

Good question.. What it does is save it to a folder called favorites...It's an easy quick way to review your favorite stuff here..

Hey, and it seems like you can favorite your own comments. That's useful, because I am pretty full of myself.

800 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:08:46pm

re: #795 Aceofwhat?

fair enough! what should we debate now?

Best metal band of the last ten years. I know my answer!

801 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:09:33pm

re: #800 WindUpBird

Too many to list.

802 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:09:53pm

re: #790 HoosierHoops

Good question.. What it does is save it to a folder called favorites...It's an easy quick way to review your favorite stuff here..

Don't forget - you can also assign "tags" to what you save so you can search quickly for something.

803 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:10:43pm

re: #798 WindUpBird
Right. They don't stray cosmically[sic] far from their statement.
They stray comically far.
Problem is, the joke is on the US taxpayers.

804 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:11:01pm

re: #794 Varek Raith

Probably one of the most perverse cartoons I've ever had the joy of watching.

805 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:11:16pm

re: #792 WindUpBird

Mine's a Lotus Elise, and I could buy one for about $30,000 lightly used. The most pure driving experience doesn't cost a fortune, it just weighs less than 2000 pounds.

Absolutely, that's the secret to its capabilities. That thing corners like a go-kart...it freaks you out to push it anywhere near what it can handle because your brain keeps telling you that you will surely die...

...at which point you're too distracted to remind your brain that your name isn't Shirley. Unless, of course, it is.

806 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:11:46pm

re: #802 reine.de.tout

Don't forget - you can also assign "tags" to what you save so you can search quickly for something.

I came here because I like the civility of the discussions, but an added bonus is that this is probably the easiest comment forum I've ever used.

807 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:12:28pm

re: #799 Soap_Man

Hey, and it seems like you can favorite your own comments. That's useful, because I am pretty full of myself.

Every couple of months I say something so profound, something so Earth shaking and insightful I have to favorite myself..Just so I don't forget it...
*wink*

808 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:12:29pm

re: #800 WindUpBird

Best metal band of the last ten years. I know my answer!

Does system of a down count as metal?

809 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:12:34pm

re: #780 Slumbering Behemoth

DON'T TOUCH IT!

Don't push the red one

810 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:12:40pm

re: #804 Slumbering Behemoth

Probably one of the most perverse cartoons I've ever had the joy of watching.

811 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:12:56pm

re: #808 Aceofwhat?

You're fired.

812 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:13:10pm

re: #806 Soap_Man

I don't go to other blogs. Ease of use is one of the reasons.

813 prairiefire  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:13:24pm

re: #746 Soap_Man

Hey! I do that. There's more tea in there.

814 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:13:29pm

re: #764 rwdflynavy

Its the History Eraser Button You Fool!!!

Any Ren and Stimpy fans in the house?

You covet my icecream bar! i've had it since I was a child! Why are people always trying to take it away from me?

I get it. He's the keeper of the cheese, and you're the lemon merchant, only we can't let him find out. Quick! before he lets loose the marmosets!

815 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:13:32pm

re: #797 albusteve

I like Camaros a lot, but I don't want one as a track car. I want a tiny, absurdly fast car with telepathic handling that makes a BMW M3 seem spongy and bloated by comparison. That's my primary criteria for liking a car, it has to corner great.

816 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:13:39pm

re: #473 blueraven
How, exactly, would you edit someone saying ' Don't tell them you're running a prostitution house, tell them it's a performance house'.

817 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:13:53pm

re: #808 Aceofwhat?

Does system of a down count as metal?

I've never down-dinged anyone. Not once. But you are tempting me my friend. :)

818 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:14:00pm

re: #803 tradewind

Right. They don't stray cosmically[sic] far from their statement.
They stray comically far.
Problem is, the joke is on the US taxpayers.

We are just going to have to disagree on this!

819 webevintage  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:14:07pm

ACORN
Factcheck.org
[Link: www.factcheck.org...]
or the page that comes up when you search ACORN on factcheck:
[Link: factcheck.org...]

820 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:14:57pm

re: #796 MandyManners

You betcha'.

Was a rhetorical question as I am well sure you knew. So what has the kid being up to lately?

821 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:15:16pm

re: #806 Soap_Man

I came here because I like the civility of the discussions, but an added bonus is that this is probably the easiest comment forum I've ever used.

I agree. It's the 7-series of forums. More gadgets than most of us are able to take advantage of to their full extent, but still way cool.

822 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:15:29pm

re: #808 Aceofwhat?

Does system of a down count as metal?

Ummm, Behemoth would say no, I'd say yes. I like SOAD, but my answer for the last ten years is Mastodon. Crack the Skye is the best metal album since Master of Puppets.

823 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:15:36pm

re: #224 MandyManners
Mighty hoax from little ACORNS flow.//

824 Soap_Man  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:15:51pm

re: #813 prairiefire

Hey! I do that. There's more tea in there.

I do it too. But you should have seen the guy. He was squeezing the damn thing like it contained liquid gold. And it wasn't expensive tea either. It was the cheap Lipton shit that costs like 10 cents a bag.

825 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:16:08pm

re: #821 Aceofwhat?

I agree. It's the 7-series of forums. More gadgets than most of us are able to take advantage of to their full extent, but still way cool.

I want to adjust LGF's ride height with iDrive.

826 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:16:13pm

re: #817 Soap_Man

I've never down-dinged anyone. Not once. But you are tempting me my friend. :)

One has to admit, though, that this cover is pretty bad ass.

827 Digital Display  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:16:18pm

re: #815 WindUpBird

I like Camaros a lot, but I don't want one as a track car. I want a tiny, absurdly fast car with telepathic handling that makes a BMW M3 seem spongy and bloated by comparison. That's my primary criteria for liking a car, it has to corner great.

F1!
The greatest racing in the world!
/Here comes NASCAR Fans

828 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:16:35pm

re: #816 tradewind

How, exactly, would you edit someone saying ' Don't tell them you're running a prostitution house, tell them it's a performance house'.

It's not we can dub sound in the 21st century or anything. And after all, if the film makers don't have anything to hide, why not just release the original birth certificate tapes and get it over with?

829 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:16:38pm

re: #811 Slumbering Behemoth

You're fired.

i know. at least i know my limits.

830 albusteve  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:16:59pm

re: #815 WindUpBird

I like Camaros a lot, but I don't want one as a track car. I want a tiny, absurdly fast car with telepathic handling that makes a BMW M3 seem spongy and bloated by comparison. That's my primary criteria for liking a car, it has to corner great.

my best friend had an Elise and I drove it several times...it was okay, but too small...the Z28 is an all around high performance machine...guaranteed to pull you through curves as fast as you'll want, and about 400hp for cruising...and the style is primo

831 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:17:07pm

re: #809 freetoken

OOPS!

832 MandyManners  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:17:25pm

re: #820 Bubblehead II

Was a rhetorical question as I am well sure you knew. So what has the kid being up to lately?

His usual shenanigans.

833 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:17:28pm

re: #825 WindUpBird

I want to adjust LGF's ride height with iDrive.

i'm pretty sure that Charles enabled that functionality somewhere...

834 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:17:39pm

re: #815 WindUpBird

I like Camaros a lot, but I don't want one as a track car. I want a tiny, absurdly fast car with telepathic handling that makes a BMW M3 seem spongy and bloated by comparison. That's my primary criteria for liking a car, it has to corner great.

re: #830 albusteve

my best friend had an Elise and I drove it several times...it was okay, but too small...the Z28 is an all around high performance machine...guaranteed to pull you through curves as fast as you'll want, and about 400hp for cruising...and the style is primo

Jeez! And here I am, dreaming about a Volvo 240.

835 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:17:43pm

re: #817 Soap_Man

People don't like System of a Down?

Ariel

or

Ariel

You decide...

836 harry91  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:17:46pm

Totally off-topic:

Man caught at airport with 44 lizards in pants

Read more: [Link: www.sfgate.com...]

Where are you exactly Charles?

I kid I kid.

837 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:18:11pm

re: #827 HoosierHoops

F1!
The greatest racing in the world!
/Here comes NASCAR Fans

Ever watched the Top Gear episode where Hammond drove a real F1 car? it looked scarier than sky-diving. o_o No thanks, I'll take my little Elise in blue and white, like Alice in Wonderland, with Highway Star on the stereo. 8-)

838 albusteve  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:18:43pm

re: #827 HoosierHoops

F1!
The greatest racing in the world!
/Here comes NASCAR Fans

round and round...and round....ho hum

839 avanti  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:18:45pm

Video prank goes wrong (sorta)

Your text to link...

840 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:21:01pm

That didn't take long. Rep. J.D. Hayworth who is challenging John McCain in the senatorial primary is a birther. He was recently being promoted by Ed Morrisey at Hot Air.

McCain Primary Challenger Hayworth: Obama 'Should Come Forward' With His Birth Certificate (VIDEO)

"Well, gosh, we all had to bring our birth certificate's to show we were who we said we were, and we were the age we said we were, to play football in youth sports," Hayworth responded matter of factly. "Shouldn't we know exactly that anyone who wants to run for public office is a natural born citizen of the United States, and is who they say they are?"

Matthews referred back to some of Hayworth's past statements. "I'm reading your letter that says the president should go back and get his birth certificate from the governor of Hawaii," said Matthews, who then added: "I'm just asking, do you stand by this letter?"

"Yeah, sure," Hayworth responded.

Video

841 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:21:56pm

re: #830 albusteve

my best friend had an Elise and I drove it several times...it was okay, but too small...the Z28 is an all around high performance machine...guaranteed to pull you through curves as fast as you'll want, and about 400hp for cruising...and the style is primo

I don't want a dream cruising car, is the thing. That's to me like having a dream refrigerator. Any car I go on a trip in is going to be a station wagon that can drive in the snow anyhow. I would love a 400hp awd wagon, though. A tuned Volvo V70R or Audi S4 would do nicely...

Also, the new Camaro is hard to see out of, and I do not drive cars I have poor visibility in. It would kill all the fun.

842 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:22:38pm

Sho us teh nirth certifikit!

Rep. J.D. Hayworth

843 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:23:05pm

re: #840 Gus 802

Huh. Here's hoping that McCain mops the floor with him. Can't start repudiating that crap soon enough.

844 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:23:16pm

re: #834 Guanxi88

Jeez! And here I am, dreaming about a Volvo 240.

Had one! A white 240DL wagon, liked it, it cost me $2000, and then the tranny died, and cost me another grand. I liked it, but shit kept going wrong on it and I traded it in on a way way way faster 1996 Volvo 850R.

845 Guanxi88  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:24:02pm

re: #844 WindUpBird

Had one! A white 240DL wagon, liked it, it cost me $2000, and then the tranny died, and cost me another grand. I liked it, but shit kept going wrong on it and I traded it in on a way way way faster 1996 Volvo 850R.

yep, i'm staring down the barrel of 40 not too long from now, and I think it's about time I got my first car.

846 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:24:30pm

re: #840 Gus 802

I just think the name JD Hayworth is funny. It conjures up images of guys with huge handlebar moustaches and giant cigars saying 'Ah do declare!' in Foghorn leghorn's voice.

847 albusteve  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:25:30pm

re: #841 WindUpBird

I don't want a dream cruising car, is the thing. That's to me like having a dream refrigerator. Any car I go on a trip in is going to be a station wagon that can drive in the snow anyhow. I would love a 400hp awd wagon, though. A tuned Volvo V70R or Audi S4 would do nicely...

Also, the new Camaro is hard to see out of, and I do not drive cars I have poor visibility in. It would kill all the fun.

my ex wife just bought a supercharged Mini...one hell of a little car, very fast...but you cannot see out of it and for that alone I would not have one...if it corners much less that the Elise, it would be hard to tell...I'm into vintage American cars...ooh rah!

848 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:25:31pm

re: #846 WindUpBird

I just think the name JD Hayworth is funny. It conjures up images of guys with huge handlebar moustaches and giant cigars saying 'Ah do declare!' in Foghorn leghorn's voice.

It does. Also sounds like an actor from a silent movie.

849 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:26:11pm

re: #840 Gus 802

That didn't take long. Rep. J.D. Hayworth who is challenging John McCain in the senatorial primary is a birther. He was recently being promoted by Ed Morrisey at Hot Air.

McCain Primary Challenger Hayworth: Obama 'Should Come Forward' With His Birth Certificate (VIDEO)

Video


[Video]

All aboard the SS Teaparty GOP!

850 harry91  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:26:21pm

re: #846 WindUpBird

Why I do declare you are insulting me and my kind Sir...Pistols at dawn!

851 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:26:26pm

re: #845 Guanxi88

yep, i'm staring down the barrel of 40 not too long from now, and I think it's about time I got my first car.

Honestly, as a Volvo owner, i'd say go for an 850 if you can. They're way better in bad weather and just nicer cars. Designed by the same guy who designed the 240, which was kept around by the compnay by popular demand even though Volvo's engineering had gone far further.

240s are damned cute though, especially with 17" wheels.

852 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:26:55pm

re: #849 Varek Raith

All aboard the SS Teaparty GOP!

The krazy train is here!

/

853 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:26:59pm

re: #832 MandyManners

Children. I love being no longer plagued with them. Grandchildren on the other hand are G_ds gift. Spoil them rotten and then send the home.

/Revenge is sweet.

But to be be clear, the same rule apply to to the GK as the kids. But it is nice to point out that the same rules that they complained about as kids are the same one they are applying today.

But we get to get the Grandparent twist.

BWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAA

854 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:27:20pm

re: #627 BunnyThief

re: #618 SixDegrees


Absolutely. No argument whatsoever.

But dang it, Six, ain't you just DYING to hear what these bozos thought they were doing?

If you say you don't care what their story is, you're a danged liar.

Come on, fess up...

I don't really expect it to be a very exciting or convincing story. Especially after their parents' lawyers get them under control.

855 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:28:07pm

re: #846 WindUpBird

I just think the name JD Hayworth is funny. It conjures up images of guys with huge handlebar moustaches and giant cigars saying 'Ah do declare!' in Foghorn leghorn's voice.

You dissing Foghorn?
Lol.
:)

856 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:28:24pm

re: #731 WindUpBird
.....and maybe missed learning a little sumpin' sumpin'.
But that's okay.
I think it's about striking a balance, if you are fortunate enough to be able to do that.

857 blueraven  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:28:26pm

re: #816 tradewind

How, exactly, would you edit someone saying ' Don't tell them you're running a prostitution house, tell them it's a performance house'.

I am not suggesting that none of the ACORN workers didn't make some seriously stupid comments or that ACORN doesn't need to clean up their act. I am just saying we might not be getting the full story. I am saying that some of the questions could have been edited after the fact. I am saying editing could have made it look much worse than it was. If this guy O'Keefe is dishonest, that makes a difference.

858 tradewind  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:30:06pm

re: #817 Soap_Man
Just wait.... check around the wee hours after a contentious thread, and you can get your downdinger cherry broken with a clear conscience.

859 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:31:00pm

re: #847 albusteve

my ex wife just bought a supercharged Mini...one hell of a little car, very fast...but you cannot see out of it and for that alone I would not have one...if it corners much less that the Elise, it would be hard to tell...I'm into vintage American cars...ooh rah!

I like the mini from the outside, but yeah, visibility is an issue. My VW GTI still has the best road visibility of any car I've ever driven that wasn't a pickup.

The mini corners very well, but it's front wheel drive, and that's a deal breaker if you want a true sports car. The vintage American car I want...um, probably a C3 Vette or a 1970's 455 Trans Am. Cars I grew up around.

860 albusteve  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:31:01pm

re: #858 tradewind

Just wait... check around the wee hours after a contentious thread, and you can get your downdinger cherry broken with a clear conscience.

ding surfing...you can't get called out

861 avanti  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:33:44pm

re: #844 WindUpBird

Had one! A white 240DL wagon, liked it, it cost me $2000, and then the tranny died, and cost me another grand. I liked it, but shit kept going wrong on it and I traded it in on a way way way faster 1996 Volvo 850R.

I bought a cream puff 1998 Mercedes 280C with 120,000 miles on it for 7K out the door. I call her the Atlantic City express, and she's now pushing 160,000 miles with just the 12.000 mile oil changes and one headlight bulb as expenses other than gas. I'm told she's likely go another 100K or better, just love it.

862 freetoken  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:34:46pm

re: #840 Gus 802

Hayworth had a failed talk show... and I believe was a substitute for local SD talker (and disgraced former mayor) Roger Hedgecock... and maybe even for Limbaugh (IIRC - needs checking.)

863 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:34:48pm

re: #640 brookly red

well If you can get to Afghanistan, get caught on the battle field, & sent to Guantanamo, you might just qualify for this really cool Saudi program...

Probably no representation art allowed, though.

864 charlz  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:34:57pm

re: #830 albusteve

my best friend had an Elise and I drove it several times...it was okay, but too small...the Z28 is an all around high performance machine...guaranteed to pull you through curves as fast as you'll want, and about 400hp for cruising...and the style is primo

I've had a '72 Lotus Europa and a '77 'Vette. Overall, I preferred the Lotus for pure handling. Now if it had just been reliable...

865 albusteve  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:35:58pm

re: #859 WindUpBird

I like the mini from the outside, but yeah, visibility is an issue. My VW GTI still has the best road visibility of any car I've ever driven that wasn't a pickup.

The mini corners very well, but it's front wheel drive, and that's a deal breaker if you want a true sports car. The vintage American car I want...um, probably a C3 Vette or a 1970's 455 Trans Am. Cars I grew up around.

it depends what you want...an honest track car is just impractical for me and I need some room for NM long distances...a fast pony car is perfect out here...altho when you see our roads out in remote areas, you just gotta have hp to weight and plenty of it....long stretches of safe, open road...a Corvette would be perfect for a two seater

866 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:36:03pm

re: #856 tradewind

...and maybe missed learning a little sumpin' sumpin'.
But that's okay.
I think it's about striking a balance, if you are fortunate enough to be able to do that.

what pray tell, did I miss learning? I didn't go to school as a social thing, I went to school to learn specific skills I could apply to many different disciplines throughout my life. seems to have worked, I'm well employed in a bad economy, and I currently have more work offered to me than I can take.

The balance depends on what you want to do. If you want to do something that is craft intensive, incredibly competitive, and you go to school for it? Be prepared to work and sacrifice for your work. I'm a social person, I don't think I missed much by working hard for a few years.

867 Gus  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:37:05pm

re: #862 freetoken

Hayworth had a failed talk show... and I believe was a substitute for local SD talker (and disgraced former mayor) Roger Hedgecock... and maybe even for Limbaugh (IIRC - needs checking.)

Looks like it was on KFYI.

868 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:37:17pm

re: #797 albusteve

style adds up...
[Link: www.classicchevy5speed.com...]

You'd have fun shopping for one!

869 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:38:35pm

re: #861 avanti

I bought a cream puff 1998 Mercedes 280C with 120,000 miles on it for 7K out the door. I call her the Atlantic City express, and she's now pushing 160,000 miles with just the 12.000 mile oil changes and one headlight bulb as expenses other than gas. I'm told she's likely go another 100K or better, just love it.

Cool! I would look like a car thief behind the wheel of a mercedes, but they're great cars. I lusted after the one from Roadhouse. 8-)

As for mileage, my Volvo 240 was at 300K miles when I got rid of it, my old rusting hulk of a Corolla was at 375K when i traded it in on my (now wrecked) Golf.

870 windsagio  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:39:05pm

re: #866 WindUpBird

I haven't really followed the conversation, but you could have gone to WSU and died during rush week!

871 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:40:18pm

re: #865 albusteve

it depends what you want...an honest track car is just impractical for me and I need some room for NM long distances...a fast pony car is perfect out here...altho when you see our roads out in remote areas, you just gotta have hp to weight and plenty of it...long stretches of safe, open road...a Corvette would be perfect for a two seater

Sounds good. We just have different needs, I think. I dearly want a stupidly fast wagon, I guess it would be not a dream car, but a car I would totally make my daily driver. I hear they're making a Cadillac CTSV wagon, too insane for bad weather, but I approve!

872 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:40:36pm

re: #870 windsagio

I haven't really followed the conversation, but you could have gone to WSU and died during rush week!

ahahahahahaha oh wazzu

873 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:42:01pm

re: #864 charlz

I've had a '72 Lotus Europa and a '77 'Vette. Overall, I preferred the Lotus for pure handling. Now if it had just been reliable...

That's the genius of the Lotus Elise. Same Toyota engine as the Pontiac Vibe and the Toyota Celica GTS. Reliable as the sun rising in the morning.

874 elizajane  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:42:12pm

Everybody loved this guy when he was setting up a bunch of ill-trained, under-paid African-American community organizers (always a suspect class) but watch them run from him like rats off a sinking ship now that he's gone after somebody with actual power in such an unquestionably illegal manner. How could he be quite this stupid?

875 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:42:49pm

re: #866 WindUpBird

What's your line of work, if you don't mind me asking?

876 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:43:06pm

re: #875 Obdicut

What's your line of work, if you don't mind me asking?

Freelance art and video game development.

877 windsagio  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:43:58pm

re: #876 WindUpBird

... And taking care of retards. >>

878 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:46:10pm

re: #877 windsagio

The bulk of my income still comes from arting things!

879 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:48:57pm

re: #828 Kruk

It's not we can dub sound in the 21st century or anything. And after all, if the film makers don't have anything to hide, why not just release the original birth certificate tapes and get it over with?

The world, or at least a very small chunk of it, is waiting.

880 harry91  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:50:57pm

re: #877 windsagio


PC Language Alert. You are in so much trouble!!!!!!

881 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:51:06pm

re: #840 Gus 802

That didn't take long. Rep. J.D. Hayworth who is challenging John McCain in the senatorial primary is a birther. He was recently being promoted by Ed Morrisey at Hot Air.

McCain Primary Challenger Hayworth: Obama 'Should Come Forward' With His Birth Certificate (VIDEO)

Video

[Video]

Poor Linda Lingle is going to have to punch someone before this is over.

882 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:54:18pm

re: #874 elizajane

snip...

How could he be quite this stupid?

I think he studied it in college. See my 597.

883 windsagio  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:55:06pm

re: #880 harry91

Heh >>

I have my 'life work in caring for the disabled' and 'brother with autism' badges all polished up and ready to go :D

884 harry91  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:56:27pm

re: #883 windsagio


OK, I'll let it go this time.

And you are a very good person.

885 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 6:00:04pm

re: #876 WindUpBird

Oh, nifty. I worked at EA for a long time. Work at Leapfrog now. Happen to be a Dwarf Fortress fan?

886 windsagio  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 6:12:15pm

re: #885 Obdicut

oh dude, did you see this?

I love dwarf fortress, but this makes me want to give up in despair.

Image: ff64ug.jpg


I'll never do anything as great as that.


also: New version out soon!

887 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 6:14:37pm

re: #886 windsagio

Yeah, I did. And yeah, I know.

I play DF mainly for fun, not to create grand channels. I did successfully build a turing machine, though.

888 windsagio  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 6:15:50pm

re: #887 Obdicut

man thats beyond me >> I don't have the head for it.

I like the exploratory part of it mostly, so I'm reeally excited about the next version.

889 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 6:25:46pm

re: #885 Obdicut

Oh, nifty. I worked at EA for a long time. Work at Leapfrog now. Happen to be a Dwarf Fortress fan?

I knew people who did their time at EA. I do contract work from home, I couldn't do the cubicle-crunch-time-drink-cry thing at a big game developer.

I am sort of a DF fan from afar, it's a little too complex for me to get into, and I just don't have the energy to devote to a game that demanding ight now. Maybe soon though!

890 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 6:34:26pm

re: #889 WindUpBird

New release is coming. Wait for that. And get Mayday's version-- graphical tilesets help. THe forums are wonderful.

Read the story of the eagle and the dwarf in the thing by Winsagio above. It's great.

891 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 7:03:52pm

re: #460 RogueOne

That was great stuff.

Now I know it would be easy to make fun of this, unbelieveably easy, so easy you want to send back your check....

892 Cineaste  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 7:24:03pm

re: #20 ssn697

LMAO at the utter stupidity of RECORDING yourself committing a felony.

There's a great logical conundrum in places like Pennsylvania (I believe it holds true in PA).

In some states you are not allowed to do single-party consent recordings (ie: both people on a phone call must be aware of the recording for it to be legal) except if you are recording a crime. So if you are recording a call without the other party's consent then you are committing a crime, except that by now recording that crime you are no longer committing a crime, which makes it a crime again...

hehe

893 friarstale  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 7:24:24pm

re: #2 Locker

It's hard to fathom what this guy was thinking... seriously. It's almost like he wanted to get arrested.

it was very stupid
ACORN might not have seen it coming, but I wd imagine that US Senators' staffs are a lot more professionally protective of their turf

phony telephone repairman?
who could possibly fall for that?

894 Joanne  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 7:36:15pm

re: #709 HoosierHoops

...If I was crazy rich I'd... Comp Brad Pitt and Angelina free rooms and kids...

oooh! I love getting comp'd free kids! :-)

895 andres  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 7:37:13pm

re: #28 lrsshadow

If this was a tv channel, your complain and selective forgetfulness was warranted, however this is the internet, where everything you post will stay around for a long time. Just sayin'.

re: #48 lrsshadow

Show me where ACORN has a child prostitution ring.

Indeed, the whole issue with ACORN is that it provided some tax help for and allegedly prostitution ring, and therefore ineligible for gov. funds, while companies that actually put prostitution rings are OK to get gov. funds.

896 diamonda2u  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:17:42pm

There are to many comments to know the answer but....

if no one has nominated these idiots for the "Stupid Criminal of the YEar Award"...
I recommend them.

897 Kewalo  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:29:35pm

An official close to the investigation said one of the four was arrested with a listening device in a car blocks from the senator's offices. He spoke on condition of anonymity because that information was not included in official arresting documents.

[Link: www.nola.com...]

It appears that there was some equipment in the car. I wonder if there was anything more then just a listening device.

898 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:31:06pm

James O’Keefe: From Junior G-Man to G. Gordon Liddy.

899 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:47:40pm

re: #898 Dark_Falcon

James O’Keefe: From Junior G-Man to G. Gordon Liddy.

I noticed the spin is already starting from family and lawyers. "Good kid", "No Intent to commit a crime", "Going to be blown out of proportion". I expect it to go into high gear over the next few days, and these four being painted as political prisoners or victims of persecution.

900 darthstar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:52:57pm

What a dick. I hope his criminal activity gets him booted from college...or do they do that anymore?

901 darthstar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:55:10pm

re: #899 Kruk

I noticed the spin is already starting from family and lawyers. "Good kid", "No Intent to commit a crime", "Going to be blown out of proportion". I expect it to go into high gear over the next few days, and these four being painted as political prisoners or victims of persecution.

Yeah...he's a good kid. He's a regular Richard Nixon.

902 Kruk  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:57:04pm

Something I've been thinking about is: Is there a moral difference between entering a building under false pretences (telephone repairman disguse etc) a and entering a computer database under false pretences (hacking, stolen passwords etc?) If so, what? If not, would everyone who condemned these four also condemn the Climategate hack?

903 darthstar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 8:58:17pm

re: #843 Aceofwhat?

Huh. Here's hoping that McCain mops the floor with him. Can't start repudiating that crap soon enough.

That would require McCain risk losing a conservative voter by defending the President.

904 darthstar  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:00:37pm

re: #902 Kruk

Something I've been thinking about is: Is there a moral difference between entering a building under false pretences (telephone repairman disguse etc) a and entering a computer database under false pretences (hacking, stolen passwords etc?) If so, what? If not, would everyone who condemned these four also condemn the Climategate hack?

Entering a building to steal information (by wiretapping, or whatever) is no different from entering a database and stealing data (emails, accounts, whatever)

905 Walk Not So Softly  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:21:02pm

Regarding Charles handeling of the ACORN sting story. As far as I could find Charles waited about a week before making his first post on the story on Sept 16 which was the ACORN Press Release. The next story was on Sept.24 about O'Keefe being sued by ACORN. The following story was on Nov. 20 about Jiles and O'keefe possing for a pic with a "white supremist" (Robert Stacy McCain). The next 2 storied came on the same day, Dec 7. One about the videos appearing to be heavely edited and the other regarding ACORN's internal review finding no illegality.

This post about O'keefe made the blog several hours after AP broke the story.

Just FYI.

906 Buck  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:35:28pm

re: #387 Killgore Trout

I'm just guessing. He is an employee of Brietbart and whatever the wiretaps turned up would have been used by Breitbart so I think it's probably a pretty safe assumption. The penalties are pretty serious and these guys are not professional spies so they'll probably roll over on him to get a plea bargain it he is involved.

The attribution of criminal conduct is per se’ slanderous. We now know that Brietbart has never met any of the three other men. Brietbart has nothing to do with what James O’Keefe does. James O’Keefe is an independent filmmaker. If anyone goes out there and attributes this criminal conduct as somehow connected to Andrew Breitbart, biggovernment.com or bigjournalism.com without any proof, they’re slandering Andrew Breitbart.

[Link: hughhewitt.com...]

907 Buck  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:38:56pm

re: #895 andres

If this was a tv channel, your complain and selective forgetfulness was warranted, however this is the internet, where everything you post will stay around for a long time. Just sayin'.

re: #48 lrsshadow

Show me where ACORN has a child prostitution ring.

Indeed, the whole issue with ACORN is that it provided some tax help for and allegedly prostitution ring, and therefore ineligible for gov. funds, while companies that actually put prostitution rings are OK to get gov. funds.

Depends what that tax help was.... If it was to suggest ways to falsify, or lie on the tax form, then it can be a lot more serious.

908 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:40:30pm

re: #907 Buck

909 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:42:31pm

re: #906 Buck

910 Buck  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 9:49:02pm

re: #908 Thanos

[Video]

I don't understand your point at all.

911 Lidane  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 10:52:32pm

re: #874 elizajane

How could he be quite this stupid?

Simple. He figures he got away with it the first time, so why not try again? His ego got the best of him.

I don't have a shred of sympathy for the guy. If you're stupid enough to try and wiretap a Senator -- ANY Senator, regardless of party affiliation -- you deserve to have the book thrown at you. If it had been a Democratic activist trying to get into Senator Cornyn's office, I'd feel the same way. Idiocy is idiocy.

Screw this guy. Let him twist in the wind.

912 SixDegrees  Tue, Jan 26, 2010 11:32:41pm

re: #874 elizajane

Everybody loved this guy when he was setting up a bunch of ill-trained, under-paid African-American community organizers (always a suspect class) but watch them run from him like rats off a sinking ship now that he's gone after somebody with actual power in such an unquestionably illegal manner.

You lost me. Are you suggesting that people should not condemn his actions, because they supported his previous actions? That makes no sense to me - what this guy did yesterday is, quite simply, wrong, plain and simple, and it remains wrong regardless of whatever merits his previous actions may or may not hold.

Condemning this guy for his recent bad acts is clearly the correct thing to do. It's no different from, say, a former, zealous John Edwards supporter condemning his newly-revealed intransigence.

913 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:29:53am

No one with half a brain cell would buy these two as being a legitimate "Pimp & Hooker" duo. Especially not someone who regularly works with the impoverished.

The whole "ACORN Sting" controversy is a farce.

914 Walk Not So Softly  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:35:24am

re: #913 Slumbering Behemoth

It's real enough for those employees involved to be dismissed; The organizations officers to issue press releases; The founders of the organization admitting the actions of ACORN employees was wrong and "painful to watch"; Congress to pull their funding; The California State chapter of the organization to cut ties and start off on their own.

If that is what you call a farce, I can hardly imagine what you would consider a serious scandal. Like it or not, those two kids caused major damage to a very large and politcally influentioal organization.

915 Locker  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:35:57am

re: #914 Walk Not So Softly

It's real enough for those employees involved to be dismissed; The organizations officers to issue press releases; The founders of the organization admitting the actions of ACORN employees was wrong and "painful to watch"; Congress to pull their funding; The California State chapter of the organization to cut ties and start off on their own.

If that is what you call a farce, I can hardly imagine what you would consider a serious scandal. Like it or not, those two kids caused major damage to a very large and politcally influentioal organization.

What causes damage to this organization that helps poor people vote (and you KNOW how much the right wing hates that) is a bunch of fear mongering witch hunters building up a bunch of overblown nonsense. It really helps when folks like you enable it to happen. Completely obvious when you list Congress completely inappropriate pulling their funding based on right wing blogs and fake outrage.

916 Locker  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:47:37am

re: #747 tradewind

Oh, ACORN's mission statements?
Really?
Let's take the mission statement of say, Hamas.
If you judged them ( Hamas) by their mission statements, you'd think they were a supremely humanitarian quasi Red Cross, Palestinian style.
Can't judge a group by its mission statement.

Yea and you can't judge a group by what it's enemies say about it either.

Are you seriously comparing ACORN to Hamas? Is that the new replacement for Nazi? So your insinuation is that ACORN's mission statement is false and that their "real motive" is something different. What is their "real motive"?

917 ShaunP  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:31:39am

re: #914 Walk Not So Softly

So your proof that the conspiracy was accurate is that the conspiracy harmed the organization? You can cause serious damage to a company with an outright lie.

To address your individual issues:
- Two employees acted inappropriately and were fired - not exactly a company-wide sweep.
- They issued press releases - Oh the horror
- Founders admit actions of employees was wrong - Doesn't exactly seem like a criminal enterprise when the people running the company disapprove of said actions
- Congress pulls funding - ...to avoid public ire. They also concluded that ACORN did nothing wrong...
[Link: dyn.politico.com...]
- California chapter splits - in the face of a PR nightmare. Seems like a good business decision to me and doesn't really say whether the issue was right or wrong.
""Our staff and community members are incredibly proud of the work ACORN did," Schur said. "We passed anti-predatory lending practices in California, passed strong tenant protection laws and helped raise the state's minimum wage." But, she added, "serious damage has been done" to the organization's reputation over the last year."

918 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:00:33am

Eh, O'Keefe's gonna be just fine. The far right has a history of retconning history to make heroes and martyrs out of shady people (Liddy, North, etc.). They'll get a perfunctory slap on the wrist and will become 'analysts' for Fox News, which I suppose beats becoming an 'analist' in prison.

919 cosmo  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:05:40am

This just in: Another take on the whole "Bug" vs. "Why can't I get through to the Senator" situation.

I think we all have the tendency to jump to conclusions when the jumping jibes with our preconceived notions. Patterico adds a little perspective--and acknowledges a little premature jumping, too.

920 cosmo  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:06:50am

...and notice the link to LGF on Patterico's site (right-hand column).

Doesn't mean anything maybe...I'm just sayin'...

921 Buck  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:31:23am

re: #911 Lidane

Simple. He figures he got away with it the first time, so why not try again? His ego got the best of him.

I don't have a shred of sympathy for the guy. If you're stupid enough to try and wiretap a Senator -- ANY Senator, regardless of party affiliation -- you deserve to have the book thrown at you. If it had been a Democratic activist trying to get into Senator Cornyn's office, I'd feel the same way. Idiocy is idiocy.

Screw this guy. Let him twist in the wind.

There is zero evidence that anyone tried to wiretap anyone. The closest you get is that someone manipulated a phone. Which only means they picked up the handset, and maybe dialed out. Nothing about planing a bug, or anything like that at all.

I don't disagree that anyone trying to wiretap a senator, or anyone else for that matter is an idiot. However nothing anywhere (so far) to substantiate a wiretap charge.

922 Buck  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:35:17am

re: #916 Locker

. What is their "real motive"?

To bring about change through the power of persuasion, or by the persuasion of power.

923 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:42:40am

re: #921 Buck

There is zero evidence that anyone tried to wiretap anyone. The closest you get is that someone manipulated a phone. Which only means they picked up the handset, and maybe dialed out. Nothing about planing a bug, or anything like that at all.

I don't disagree that anyone trying to wiretap a senator, or anyone else for that matter is an idiot. However nothing anywhere (so far) to substantiate a wiretap charge.

Wall Street Journal:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation said Mr. O'Keefe, who had traveled to New Orleans and delivered a speech Thursday, admitted to helping plan and coordinate the scheme.

[...]

Late Monday morning, according to an FBI affidavit, Messrs. Flanagan and Basel, dressed in blue work shirts, fluorescent green vests and construction hard hats, entered Sen. Landrieu's offices and told a staffer they had come to fix the phone lines. By then, Mr. O'Keefe already had arrived at the offices, according to the FBI.

After Mr. Basel examined a phone in the office, he asked for access to the phone closet to work further, the FBI said. The men were sent to a federal General Services Administration office elsewhere in the building, where they were asked to produce identification. They said they left it in their vehicle, according to the affidavit.

Yeah, that sounds like they just dialed one of their pals and said, "Duuuude! You'll never guess where I'm calling you from!"

924 American-African  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:14:35am

re: #225 BunnyThief

What was their intent? What were they trying to do? What was their goal? What was their plan?

We still do not know for certain what was intended, but this I found on MSNBC today.

"A federal law enforcement official said one of the suspects was picked up in a car a couple of blocks away with a listening device that could pick up transmissions. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the information was not part of the FBI affidavit. Another official said Dai was the suspect arrested outside."

The arrested with a functioning receiver part troubles me.

925 Buck  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:51:49am

re: #923 negativ

Yeah, that sounds like they just dialed one of their pals and said, "Duuude! You'll never guess where I'm calling you from!"

Well, I don't know what they were doing. It is a mystery to me. No one has reported that they actually had a 'bug' on them. So far they have not been charged.

IF all they were doing is playing a prank, showing how they could "social engineer" a call, or access the secured phone room.... then wiretapping is NOT what they were doing.

IF they didn't have a actual transmitter when they were arrested, then wiretapping would be NOT what they were doing.

Anything in the detailed affidavit that says they had a transmitter?

926 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:05:09pm
927 Buck  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:25:09pm

re: #926 Slumbering Behemoth

They are charged with entering the building under false pretenses to commit a felony.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. My entire post is about calling it wire tapping. I use the word wiretapping multiple times. I am responding to someone who is responding to my saying that we don't know that they were attempting to wire tap. The article YOU link to says:

An earlier Washington Post story incorrectly reported that O'Keefe and his partners were charged with entering the building under false pretenses as part of a plot to bug Landrieu's phone.

So, in my haste I didn't include the word wiretapping as the charge.

So far they have not been charged with wiretapping.

928 Buck  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:28:37pm

re: #924 American-African

a listening device that could pick up transmissions.

Would that describe a Radio? I have one of those in my car as well. I also usually have a cell phone that might be used to pick up transmissions. I suppose my remote car starter has an antenna on the windshield, and it picks up transmissions....

929 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:37:20pm

re: #927 Buck

All good. Either way, these guys are in deep doo-doo.

930 Buck  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:38:16pm

re: #926 Slumbering Behemoth

They are charged with entering the building under false pretenses to commit a felony.

Actually in the article you link to it says:

Opponents of the health-care reform legislation had complained earlier this year that they repeatedly heard busy signals when they tried to call Landrieu's office to register their views

.

It would seem more likely that if it was suspected that Landrieu's office had put their phone to always busy, and were blocking anyone from calling the office phone line, it would be interesting to go in and prove it. Call the number from a cell, while standing right next to the phone and get a busy signal even when no one is actually talking on the phone.

Which, would not be a felony, but a prank. Still legally troubling... but not wiretapping.

931 American-African  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:48:21pm

re: #928 Buck

suppose my remote car starter has an antenna on the windshield, and it picks up transmissions...

Do you honestly believe the law enforcement official was describing a car radio receiver? honestly?

As I said in my post, we do not know. They could have only been trying to make a quick video showing how they accessed the Senators office. The mention of the receiver in my opinion suggests they intended to receive something and I choose to believe the official's comment about a receiver meant a device that was something more than a simple radio. There is no reason to mention the individual arrested was in possession of a car stereo.

932 ali mentary  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:57:40pm

ali mentary observes that wiretapping needs a transmitter, and a receiver is not enough.

933 Buck  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:02:59pm

re: #931 American-African

Do you honestly believe the law enforcement official was describing a car radio receiver? honestly?

As I said in my post, we do not know. They could have only been trying to make a quick video showing how they accessed the Senators office. The mention of the receiver in my opinion suggests they intended to receive something and I choose to believe the official's comment about a receiver meant a device that was something more than a simple radio. There is no reason to mention the individual arrested was in possession of a car stereo.

There is lot's of stuff that "there is no reason to mention" being mentioned. Like I have been trying to point out. I do think that things are being exaggerated (like the whole "wiretapping" thing).

So if the person in the car had a walkie talkie? Would that "trouble" you?

I am pretty sure that IF the FBI had found a bug on the guys they arrested at the scene, AND a receiver for that transmitter with the accused in the car...they would have detailed that better.

So far I like my #930 as a better explanation about what they were probably doing. Still stupid, but not a felony.

934 American-African  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:23:10pm

re: #933 Buck

A walkie-talkie would not trouble me, no. Having family in law enforcement, I tend to think differently when I hear the words "listening device". There could have been a transmitter that was simply not found, or that was left out of the affidavit. We simply do not know yet.

I have not made any conclusions about what these guys were up to, I just find it troubling. A current explanation I read online is apparently Senator Landrieu was being accused by her constituents of not being able to get in contact with her offices without a voice mail or busy signal. Her explanation was that her lines were constantly busy with phone calls that did make it through.

They could have planned on sitting there and making call after call while filming people refusing to take the calls, and relaying the events electronically to the car downstairs. Not quite as troubling, but still a stupid stunt and a violation of the law.

935 ali mentary  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:42:19pm

ali mentary further observes that it might theoretically be high time for an update...

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

"A law enforcement official says the four men arrested for attempting to tamper with the phones in the New Orleans office of Sen. Mary Landrieu (D) were not trying to intercept or wiretap the calls."

936 spud  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 10:20:21pm

Any update on this?


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