Apple’s IPad is Born

Apple’s new tablet computer, dubbed the iPad, was announced today; the device looks like an oversized iPhone or iPod Touch, runs iPhone Apps, and will be shipping later this year. It weighs 1.5 pounds and has a 9.7 inch display, Bluetooth, 802.11n wireless, a battery life of up to 10 hours, and a 1 GHz Apple A4 chip. Haven’t seen a price yet.

Engadget has a live-updating page with lots of photographs from the event: Live from the Apple ‘latest creation’ event — Engadget.

UPDATE at 1/27/10 11:00:16 am:

Apple also announced a new online bookstore, iBooks. Looks like Jobs is going head to head with Bezos.

UPDATE at 1/27/10 11:25:12 am:

I saw articles predicting a price of $1000+ for the iPad, so it’s a very nice surprise to see these prices announced:

Wifi model:
16GB - $499
32GB - $599
64GB - $699

Wifi + 3G:
16GB - $629
32GB - $729
64GB - $829

UPDATE at 1/27/10 11:58:59 am:

The promo video for the iPad is now up at Apple: Apple - iPad - The best way to experience the web, email, & photos.

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373 comments
1 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:53:05am

The price point is what I'm curious about. I had to shell out close to $300 for an iPod Touch. I can't see how this will be less than $800.

2 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:53:58am

Any idea of screen size,,, weight ,,, battery life !?!?!

3 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:54:23am

re: #2 sattv4u2

Any idea of screen size,,, weight ,,, battery life !?!?!

Size, just over 9 inches. Weight, unknown. Batter life, in theory as high as 10 hours.

4 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:54:33am

Direct challenge to the Kindle -- iBooks.

5 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:54:55am

re: #3 vxbush

Size, just over 9 inches. Weight, unknown. Battery life, in theory as high as 10 hours.

PIMF....

6 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:55:06am

re: #3 vxbush

Size, just over 9 inches. Weight, unknown. Batter life, in theory as high as 10 hours.

Thanks

7 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:55:11am

Apple's getting into the e-book market.

8 huggy77  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:55:13am

i am such a Mac fanboy... MUST HAVE IPAD.... I really love apple stuff...

9 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:55:27am

re: #4 Charles

Direct challenge to the Kindle -- iBooks.

Price points here will be interesting, considering Amazon's new $10 book price for new books.

10 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:55:42am

Sigh. I had some tweens at my house yesterday who were irritated that I didn't know the password for the wifi. (I didn't even know if we had coverage, since I don't need it.) I had to explain to them that we have two computers that are hooked up to actual cable, and sit on an actual desk, and don't fit into anybody's hand.

I'm such a Luddite, I guess.

11 okonkolo  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:55:49am

Product name is getting dinged a bit on the Intertubes, with the most damning charge that the iPad sounds like, um, a high-tech feminine hygiene product.

12 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:56:03am

Looks like it does just about everything.

13 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:56:08am

re: #4 Charles

Geek Cage Match! May the best geek win.

14 Baier  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:56:23am

20 Things I already know about Apple’s iTablet/iSlate


14. A group of people will say they're waiting until it has x feature before they buy one. It will get x feature. They still won't buy it.

15 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:56:39am

re: #11 okonkolo

Product name is getting dinged a bit on the Intertubes, with the most damning charge that the iPad sounds like, um, a high-tech feminine hygiene product.

Yes, but in the Phone OS, it fits in exactly the same number of characters as iPod....that might have been a factor.

16 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:56:44am

re: #7 Charles

Apple's getting into the e-book market.

Still not crazy about the idea, personally (old fashioned when it comes to reading a book/mag/newspaper),,, but may be worth getting for my son depending on apps

17 Soap_Man  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:57:45am

I'll stick with PC, thank you very much. Macs are just too damn expensive.

18 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:57:48am

re: #16 sattv4u2

Still not crazy about the idea, personally (old fashioned when it comes to reading a book/mag/newspaper),,, but may be worth getting for my son depending on apps

I've got a Sony eReader. I like it pretty well. Got it free from a family member, but it's been nice.

19 SixDegrees  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:57:59am

Quite a few sites are reporting pricing of around $700 MSRP, with an expected street price around $500 - $600.

Not interested.

20 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:58:34am

Comparing iTunes selling ebooks is similar to Blockbuster selling real books.... kind of spacey, in a way.

21 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:58:40am

It looks, to be honest, breakable.

(One of the boys took out an entire door jamb yesterday. Not the door. The jamb. Splintered it right in half. Breakability is a major issue around here.)

22 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:58:51am

Yay! ePub format!

23 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:59:12am

re: #21 EmmmieG

It looks, to be honest, breakable.

(One of the boys took out an entire door jamb yesterday. Not the door. The jamb. Splintered it right in half. Breakability is a major issue around here.)

Definitely doesn't fit in your back pocket....

24 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:59:26am

I found some Apple programs on my computer this morning. I wonder what would happen if I uninstalled them. Anyone?

25 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:59:46am

re: #24 MandyManners

I found some Apple programs on my computer this morning. I wonder what would happen if I uninstalled them. Anyone?

re: #24 MandyManners

I found some Apple programs on my computer this morning. I wonder what would happen if I uninstalled them. Anyone?

Which ones? MobileMe?

26 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:00:06am

re: #24 MandyManners

I found some Apple programs on my computer this morning. I wonder what would happen if I uninstalled them. Anyone?

The apocalypse?

27 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:01:09am

re: #24 MandyManners

Quick Time is an Apple App. You need it to see streaming video on some sites. Is that one of them?

28 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:01:26am

re: #4 Charles

What do you think, Charles? Is it worth being an early on this one?

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:01:26am

I'm not cool enough for a Mac anything. That PC guy on TV with the cool Mac guy? Much cooler than me.

30 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:01:42am

re: #24 MandyManners

I found some Apple programs on my computer this morning. I wonder what would happen if I uninstalled them. Anyone?

You won't keep the Doctor Away !?!?!

//

31 huggy77  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:01:59am

going to partner will cell carriers, its going to be huge... I wonder what the application capacity will be. The only people currently using tablets that i see are doctors. I wonder if the ease of use and price will make them compete with the tablet PC's that doctors are using..

32 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:02:07am

re: #24 MandyManners

You can run Safari on your PC.

33 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:02:19am

re: #7 Charles

The ebook pad technology looks great but they have missed a point at least as I see it. Books have two reading pages right there. Then it closes, protecting the contents. I suppose display costs matter but the sturdy hardcover configuration would be more likely to get me to buy it.

34 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:02:22am

BTW, the specs on the Ipad.

The iPad is a half-inch thick, weighs 1.5 pounds, and has a 9.7-inch LCD screen. It's run by a custom-made 1GHz CPU, and comes with 16, 32, or 64GB of flash storage. For connectivity, it has 802.11n, WiFi, and Bluetooth 2.1. Jobs claimed it will get up to 10 hours of battery life

Source: Mac World

35 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:03:24am

re: #24 MandyManners

Which programs?

36 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:03:43am

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Being uncool with computing was exactly why I switched to mac. Finally even I could figure one out. And without the crashes.

37 fizzlogic  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:03:50am

iWork on the iPad. Now all we'll need is a pocket blutooth backup drive.

38 kahn_mann  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:05:02am

Hmmm,

If it can compete on price with the Kindle or nook, I can see it actually competing - I can't see it being as competitive with those if it costs 2-3x as much (which is my guess at the price point)...

39 fizzlogic  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:05:09am

If I get one of these I may get rid of my iPhone and get a cheap basic phone service.

40 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:05:47am

re: #25 vxbush

Which ones? MobileMe?

re: #27 Bubblehead II

Quick Time is an Apple App. You need it to see streaming video on some sites. Is that one of them?

re: #30 sattv4u2

You won't keep the Doctor Away !?!?!

//

Apple Application Support.
Apple Sofware Update.

41 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:06:14am

re: #26 EmmmieG

The apocalypse?

Wouldn't suprise me.

42 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:06:29am

I'm not buying one of these until it has the capability of walking my dog and washing my car...

...in other words, some time next year.

43 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:06:35am

re: #38 kahn_mann

Hmmm,

If it can compete on price with the Kindle or nook, I can see it actually competing - I can't see it being as competitive with those if it costs 2-3x as much (which is my guess at the price point)...

That's an excellent point--it will do so much more than a Kindle or Nook, because there are already apps out there that will run on this. Excellent point.

44 Soap_Man  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:06:55am

In related news, I give you the iLaunch:
Apple Unveils New Product-Unveiling Product

45 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:06:59am

re: #40 MandyManners

If you have Itunes, you haz can got apple stuff.///

46 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:07:06am

re: #35 Rightwingconspirator

Apple Application Support.
Apple Sofware Update.

47 Baier  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:07:37am

re: #8 huggy77

i am such a Mac fanboy... MUST HAVE IPAD... I really love apple stuff...

1. It will make you want one.

48 kahn_mann  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:07:41am

re: #43 vxbush

Yes, it would me more competitive with a netbook than a simple eBook Reader... Price and Feature-wise.

49 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:08:10am

re: #45 tradewind

If you have Itunes, you haz can got apple stuff.///

I don't know if I have iTunes.

50 Baier  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:09:04am

re: #49 MandyManners

I don't know if I have iTunes.

You would know if you had iTunes.

51 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:09:10am

re: #49 MandyManners
Do you use an ipod?
If not, then disregard.
If so, then you have it.

52 jaunte  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:09:24am

If there are any iPhone users out there who don't want to wait, this software will turn your phone into a reader: [Link: www.lexcycle.com...]
(100,000 books currently available)

53 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:09:26am

re: #40 MandyManners

If you are sure those are the only two programs installed, you can probably get rid of them with impunity. On the other hand, if you are not sure that there are any other Apple Apps installed, it would be safer to just leave them alone.

54 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:09:30am

iTunes is for suckers.

55 huggy77  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:09:54am

Engadget is doing a nice write up...

MLB, EA are writing apps for it...

56 samsgran1948  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:10:01am

re: #11 okonkolo

Product name is getting dinged a bit on the Intertubes, with the most damning charge that the iPad sounds like, um, a high-tech feminine hygiene product.

Gotta admit: That's the first thing that sprang into my mind. I can't believe an outfit as savvy as Apple could make such a moronic mistake.

57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:10:19am

Ever had those Lindt Lindor chocolate truffle thingies?

They really are nummy.

58 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:10:44am

re: #50 Baier

You would know if you had iTunes.

re: #51 tradewind

Do you use an ipod?
If not, then disregard.
If so, then you have it.

I don't.

59 efuseakay  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:10:47am

Meh. Nothing exciting or ground breaking IMO... and the name? Ugh.

60 Baier  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:10:49am

re: #11 okonkolo

Product name is getting dinged a bit on the Intertubes, with the most damning charge that the iPad sounds like, um, a high-tech feminine hygiene product.

17. You'll eventually get over its name.

61 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:11:08am

And it also presents a challenge to Borders and B&N. Borders is in a more precarious financial picture, so watch to see what happens to them; they could end up getting bought by Apple as a way to build content.

Same goes for newspapers - they might see their survival in content packages with Apple or Amazon's Kindle. Built into the price could be a subscription to newspaper(s), with guaranteed revenues. It would allow a steady stream of revenue come in to the papers, and the iPad and/or Kindle would have a steady stream of content heading their way on a daily basis.

62 huggy77  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:11:36am

re: #47 Baier

i like the part about getting pissed when v2.0 comes out... That was me and my iphone...

63 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:11:53am

re: #53 Bubblehead II

If you are sure those are the only two programs installed, you can probably get rid of them with impunity. On the other hand, if you are not sure that there are any other Apple Apps installed, it would be safer to just leave them alone.

When I look at my programs, those are the only two I see.

64 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:12:14am

re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ever had those Lindt Lindor chocolate truffle thingies?

They really are nummy.

my spouses favorite. I make sure we have a decent stock since if we ever run out there is hell to pay.

65 Baier  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:12:16am

re: #62 huggy77

i like the part about getting pissed when v2.0 comes out... That was me and my iphone...

It's amazing, I could paste more from the list, but I'm being annoying enough.

66 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:13:25am

re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ever had those Lindt Lindor chocolate truffle thingies?

They really are nummy.

Those Swiss bastards

I'm ADDICTED to those

67 huggy77  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:13:35am

re: #61 lawhawk

in regard to news papers, it could really do a great job of expanding digital subscriptions... NYT online was prominently shown...

68 tradewind  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:13:49am

re: #58 MandyManners

Then ( don't hold me to this if a disaster happens) you can probably dump any of them. Or to test, go into your startup thingy and uncheck any of them to see if it makes a difference,

69 samsgran1948  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:13:53am

As a bookseller, all I can say is: I hope Steve Jobs gives Jeff Bezos as much heartburn as Bezos has given us small independent booksellers.

70 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:15:11am

re: #4 Charles

Direct challenge to the Kindle -- iBooks.

On the airplane flying to LA, I sat next to a lady who was reading a Kindle. Really nice and crisp compared to the paperback that I was reading.

The problem for me, the Kindle costs $250 and you still have to buy the books for the same price as a paperback.

I will get one for Zedushka when they come out with a Hebrew version that will store his collection of talmudic classics.

71 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:15:28am

re: #52 jaunte

If there are any iPhone users out there who don't want to wait, this software will turn your phone into a reader: [Link: www.lexcycle.com...]
(100,000 books currently available)

I have that now, but I don't like how small the screen is.

72 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:15:36am

re: #24 MandyManners

I found some Apple programs on my computer this morning. I wonder what would happen if I uninstalled them. Anyone?

Safari, itunes.

73 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:17:22am

Okay, question: is 3G worth it?

74 webevintage  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:18:22am

re: #10 EmmmieG

Sigh. I had some tweens at my house yesterday who were irritated that I didn't know the password for the wifi. (I didn't even know if we had coverage, since I don't need it.) I had to explain to them that we have two computers that are hooked up to actual cable, and sit on an actual desk, and don't fit into anybody's hand.

I'm such a Luddite, I guess.

Me too.
I have a habit of irritating teenage boys with my lack of concern over their issues with the wifi and gaming systems.
Don't care.

75 Baier  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:18:41am

re: #69 samsgran1948

As a bookseller, all I can say is: I hope Steve Jobs gives Jeff Bezos as much heartburn as Bezos has given us small independent booksellers.

The unseen hand is a bitch.

76 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:18:51am

re: #52 jaunte

If there are any iPhone users out there who don't want to wait, this software will turn your phone into a reader: [Link: www.lexcycle.com...]
(100,000 books currently available)

Have you downloaded this?

77 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:19:35am

re: #49 MandyManners

If I were you I would look at the Task Manager to see what is running in the background. Look in the processes tab. Then look in programs for itunes or quicktime.

Itunes is cool for the radio feature.
But then I just use Candyrat.com for that.

78 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:19:43am

re: #68 tradewind

Then ( don't hold me to this if a disaster happens) you can probably dump any of them. Or to test, go into your startup thingy and uncheck any of them to see if it makes a difference,

TECH TALK! FINALLY, SOMETHING I CAN UNDERSTAND!

79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:19:48am

I went to the Dr this morning. Blood pressure? FANTASTIC! 117/78 (IIRC)

She looked up my nose and said, "ugh. I'm surprised you could lift your head off of the pillow. You must be miserable"

Yeah. That's right. I'm TOUGH!... I'm MANLY!... I'm MACHO!... I'm flippin' CHUCK NORRIS!

You may think it's funny, but it'snot.

80 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:20:06am

re: #73 vxbush

Not to me.

81 huggy77  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:20:08am

When your significant other gives you a hard time about the price, tell them you are concerned about the environment and bought this only because it will save trees since you will no longer be killing them to print newspapers and magazines...

82 jaunte  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:20:17am

re: #76 Stanley Sea

Haven't had time yet, but a coworker has, and it appears to work pretty well.
He has the latest iphone, I have the earlier model.

83 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:20:24am

re: #76 Stanley Sea

Have you downloaded this?

I have. It reads ePub books, which the Sony eReader supports, so I can buy books for the one and read on either. It seems to be the best of the reader apps, at first glance.

84 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:20:51am

re: #72 Alouette

Safari, itunes.

Sharmuta gave me a link for Safari so that might be where it came from.

85 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:21:02am

Whoa, pricing starts at $499. A lot lower than I expected!

86 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:21:18am

re: #80 Rightwingconspirator

Not to me.

Not for me either; anyplace I go to spend any time, it has a wifi network.

87 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:21:37am

re: #63 MandyManners

Well I did a quick google and here is what I found.

Apple Application Support.

Apple Application Support is required to run iTunes.

Apple Software Update

A Windows version has been available since the introduction of iTunes 7, under the name "Apple Software Update". Software Update automatically informs users of new updates.

So it looks like you can delete them without harm.

Usual disclaimer implied of course. :-)

88 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:22:06am

re: #85 Charles

Whoa, pricing starts at $499. A lot lower than I expected!

Same here. Depending on what accessories are available, it could completely replace your desktop computer.

89 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:22:40am

re: #86 vxbush

Exactly. WEhat annoys me is to buy some phones they try to force you to buy internet access for your phone via 3g. When I say no thanks they say no Blackberry. (T-Mobile)

90 samsgran1948  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:23:04am

re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ever had those Lindt Lindor chocolate truffle thingies?

They really are nummy.

If you want really nummy chocolate truffle thingies, scope out the Chubby Chipmunk in Deadwood, SD. ([Link: www.chubbychipmunk.net...] One of my customers discovered it a year or so back when his brother moved to Deadwood. He gave me nearly three dozen of the truffles for Christmas. One every other day or so is just about right. Otherwise you go into total truffle overload.

91 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:23:51am

re: #85 Charles

Whoa, pricing starts at $499. A lot lower than I expected!

Sounds like it might cannibalize iPhone sales. And kill the netbook market, and be a category killer all in one.

The price might convince a whole lot of people off the bat.

/Jobs, you magnificent bastard.

92 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:23:51am

re: #84 MandyManners

Safari not so good on pc, at least for me. I have them all it seems.

93 huggy77  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:24:15am

re: #86 vxbush

i have AT&T and i really don't like the 3g speeds but i do like getting my email everywhere, surfing LGF when on the train...

94 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:24:19am

I see Kindle has a selection of Hebrew seforim. I'll wait until Zedushka's birthday.

95 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:24:26am

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm TOUGH!... I'm MANLY!... I'm MACHO!... I'm flippin' CHUCK NORRIS!

uummm,, NO,, NAH UH,,,, HEH,,,, Not Even Close

//

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:25:02am

re: #95 sattv4u2

Come close and I'll wipe my nose on your sleeve.

97 webevintage  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:25:18am

re: #85 Charles

Whoa, pricing starts at $499. A lot lower than I expected!

Wow, in a couple of years it might be in my price range for "things I don't need but desperately want" which is where the Kindle still rests.

98 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:25:26am

Wifi model:
16GB - $499
32GB - $599
64GB - $699

Wifi + 3G:
16GB - $629
32GB - $729
64GB - $829

99 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:25:27am

re: #89 Rightwingconspirator

Verizon Wireless does the same thing. If you want one of their newer phones, they require you to spend more on the package, which includes data/3G, even if you never use those features. I want a new cell phone - primarily to get one with a better camera, but to do so would require paying more for the service, so that isn't happening.

100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:26:02am

re: #91 lawhawk

When the Kindle came out, I was thinking... you know? With a few baby steps this could become more of a "thing".

101 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:26:46am

re: #77 Rightwingconspirator

If I were you I would look at the Task Manager to see what is running in the background. Look in the processes tab. Then look in programs for itunes or quicktime.

Itunes is cool for the radio feature.
But then I just use Candyrat.com for that.

I'm gonna' take the conservative (*gasp*) approach and not delete a thing.

102 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:27:14am

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Come close and I'll wipe my nose on your sleeve.

What are these "sleeve"s you speak of!?!?

103 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:27:20am

A MacHead friend of mine pointed out that every time Apple releases a product, Apple stock initially falls.

Any theories on why?

104 Virginia Plain  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:28:43am

re: #11 okonkolo

Product name is getting dinged a bit on the Intertubes, with the most damning charge that the iPad sounds like, um, a high-tech feminine hygiene product.

MadTV thought the same thing:

105 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:28:46am

At times I'm tempted to take my CPU to the range and go through a box of ammo.

Going shopping.

106 avanti  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:28:59am

re: #88 vxbush

Same here. Depending on what accessories are available, it could completely replace your desktop computer.

Not with a touch pad keyboard, at least for me.

107 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:29:10am

BIG SCORE: if you already bought apps for your iPod/iPhone, you can sync them to the Pad. Excellent.

108 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:29:18am

re: #103 Ben Hur

A MacHead friend of mine pointed out that every time Apple releases a product, Apple stock initially falls.

Any theories on why?

expected problems (recalls, , retail returns becuase the consumer thought the product would deliver more,,,,, )

speculation

109 Virginia Plain  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:29:22am

Well the touch pad keyboard looks big enough.

110 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:29:22am

re: #94 Alouette

I see Kindle has a selection of Hebrew seforim. I'll wait until Zedushka's birthday.

Scratch that. They are all English translations. Nothing in actual Hebrew. Maybe by Zedushka's birthday.

111 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:29:36am

re: #105 MandyManners

Did I ever tell you about the guy who shot his computer at home with his Glock?

112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:30:05am

re: #111 Rightwingconspirator

Did I ever tell you about the guy who shot his computer at home with his Glock?

Elvis?

113 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:30:28am

re: #108 sattv4u2

expected problems (recalls, , retail returns becuase the consumer thought the product would deliver more,,, )

speculation

Maybe.

It's weird.

They just showed good numbers this week, too.

114 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:30:33am

It has a dock with a full-size keyboard.

115 avanti  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:30:35am

re: #98 Charles

Wifi model:
16GB - $499
32GB - $599
64GB - $699

Wifi + 3G:
16GB - $629
32GB - $729
64GB - $829

Maybe the 3G jobs will get way cheaper with a contract.

116 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:30:36am

re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Elvis?

You have a Glock named Elvis !?!?

117 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:31:16am

re: #106 avanti

Not with a touch pad keyboard, at least for me.

Ah, but they have an keyboard attachment that holds the iPad at an angle but gives you a real, physical keyboard. Not a bad option.

118 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:31:26am

re: #111 Rightwingconspirator

Did I ever tell you about the guy who shot his computer at home with his Glock?

Duh.

Oh. Wait.

You said "Glock."

My bad.

119 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:31:36am

re: #114 Charles

It has a dock with a full-size keyboard.

Is the dock an add on purchase, or comes with it for the $499?

120 avanti  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:31:57am

re: #114 Charles

It has a dock with a full-size keyboard.

I like that idea, use it at home like a desktop, then take it on the road as needed.

121 TampaKnight  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:32:07am

It's astounding to think that Apple was barely breathing before the iPod and is now back to being a giant. I did a case study on Apple and it said that Apple nearly never launched the iPod because they thought it'd never sell.

122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:32:07am

re: #102 sattv4u2

What are these "sleeve"s you speak of!?!?

Greensleeves, silly.

123 huggy77  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:32:12am

re: #109 Virginia Plain

There is a docking station... If you have someone who just needs to surf the web and check email this is perfect... It does ichat too i believe... I wonder if i could get my grandmother emailing with this...

124 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:32:49am

re: #119 sattv4u2

Is the dock an add on purchase, or comes with it for the $499?

Add-on, I think. No price mentioned.

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:33:24am

Anybody been wondering how different the State of the Union Address tonight looked on paper a month ago? I sure am.

126 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:33:40am

re: #124 Charles

Add-on, I think. No price mentioned.

Thanks ,,,,

127 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:34:01am

re: #123 huggy77

There is a docking station... If you have someone who just needs to surf the web and check email this is perfect... It does ichat too i believe... I wonder if i could get my grandmother emailing with this...

Exactly. It looks pretty easy. Probably able to adjust the type to large font size?

128 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:34:20am

re: #121 TampaKnight

It's astounding to think that Apple was barely breathing before the iPod and is now back to being a giant. I did a case study on Apple and it said that Apple nearly never launched the iPod because they thought it'd never sell.

I saw two great programs on CNBC about Apple recently.

It seems to be 100% Steve Jobs.

129 SixDegrees  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:34:22am

re: #88 vxbush

Same here. Depending on what accessories are available what kind of desktop machine you have, it could completely replace your desktop computer.

130 avanti  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:34:22am

re: #121 TampaKnight

It's astounding to think that Apple was barely breathing before the iPod and is now back to being a giant. I did a case study on Apple and it said that Apple nearly never launched the iPod because they thought it'd never sell.

The IPod was a device I never thought I wanted, until I got the first one as a gift. Now I can't work in the garage without my tunes and own 3 generations of the damn things.

131 huggy77  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:34:43am

re: #121 TampaKnight

It's astounding to think that Apple was barely breathing before the iPod and is now back to being a giant. I did a case study on Apple and it said that Apple nearly never launched the iPod because they thought it'd never sell.

They took off again when Steve Jobs got more involved if i remember correctly... There products are expensive but they are marketed perfectly... Ari (from entourage) will be rocking one of these this season guaranteed!

132 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:35:04am

re: #103 Ben Hur

Buy on rumor; sell on news. The rumor is invariably more sexy and exciting than the news, so the prices drop. They'll rise back soon enough once the sales registers start ringing up the sales...

133 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:35:09am

re: #129 SixDegrees

True.

134 TampaKnight  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:36:20am

re: #131 huggy77

They took off again when Steve Jobs got more involved if i remember correctly... There products are expensive but they are marketed perfectly... Ari (from entourage) will be rocking one of these this season guaranteed!

Yep. The man is a marketing genius and re-inserted Apple back into the spotlight of pop culture by making iProducts a "must have" amongst young people and tech saavy people.

He also brilliantly painted the PC markets as boring and dull.

135 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:36:22am

re: #132 lawhawk

Buy on rumor; sell on news. The rumor is invariably more sexy and exciting than the news, so the prices drop. They'll rise back soon enough once the sales registers start ringing up the sales...

Thanks.

It seems to happen everytime.

136 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:37:11am

That creeping price range is one of the reasons I don't buy Apple prods when I can avoid it (I do have an I pod)
Probably no replaceable battery, and the jumps in price for the varying memory sizes are kinda silly.

137 huggy77  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:37:53am

i am surprised there is nothing on apple.com... I liked how they had the iphone on the homepage as soon as it was released.

138 Baier  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:38:04am

I want one, but I'm pretty clumsy and I don't think that big glass screen would last to long with me in NYC. I probably get one anyhow.

139 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:38:04am

One thing about the iPad: it might be a really great device for people with disabilities. I could see my son use it. He can sort of use my iPod Touch, but the small screen is really hard for him to work with. The iPad, though, could be exactly what he needs.

140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:38:33am

re: #137 huggy77

Crashed when they downloaded it.

141 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:38:46am

re: #136 Thanos

Hey, Thanos. Here are some words of encouragement: grab that nicotine soaked pleasure center in your brian and kick its ass!

142 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:39:20am

re: #136 Thanos

That creeping price range is one of the reasons I don't buy Apple prods when I can avoid it (I do have an I pod)
Probably no replaceable battery, and the jumps in price for the varying memory sizes are kinda silly.

How so? I paid more for a back pack yard sprayer that holds 4 gallons than I did for the one that holds one gallon!

143 huggy77  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:39:53am

re: #138 Baier

I want one, but I'm pretty clumsy and I don't think that big glass screen would last to long with me in NYC. I probably get one anyhow.

There will probably be screen protection products, i have a plastic shield on my IPhone and it survives me running around all day with it... I am constantly on it for email...

144 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:40:16am

re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
This guy re: #118 Ben Hur


Guy shoots his computer. Police show up, he gets arrested. Goes to court. Presents his best "guilty with extenuating circumstances pitch. Judge says "Id like to be lenient I have Wndows ME also." But after the RELOAD and another ten shots I'm afraid you sir are getting 6 months probation.

145 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:40:22am

They were smart to go with Verizon.

146 Baier  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:40:40am

re: #143 huggy77

There will probably be screen protection products, i have a plastic shield on my IPhone and it survives me running around all day with it... I am constantly on it for email...

Let be more clear, I'm clumsy and I'm an idiot. :)

147 huggy77  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:43:07am

apples home page is updated- the video is up!!!!

148 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:45:13am

re: #142 sattv4u2

How so? I paid more for a back pack yard sprayer that holds 4 gallons than I did for the one that holds one gallon!

Moore's law. If you buy generic right now you can get 4GB for under $7.00 -- Apple's paying much less that that I would wager. So the 64GB of mem is costing Apple something less that 112 bucks, but they are making quite a bit of markup just for more memory.

149 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:47:01am

re: #142 sattv4u2

Another way to put it: it's closed architecture. It should just come with a slot where you can add your own mem stick.

150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:47:19am

re: #148 Thanos

How much do you think Jobs pays for one of those black turtlenecks? Huh?

151 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:48:15am

re: #148 Thanos

Moore's law. If you buy generic right now you can get 4GB for under $7.00 -- Apple's paying much less that that I would wager. So the 64GB of mem is costing Apple something less that 112 bucks, but they are making quite a bit of markup just for more memory.

and !?!?!?!

As stated, there is little difference between my 1 gallon and 4 gallon sprayers. They have the same mechanism, nozzle and hoses to spray the liquid out of the container. The ONLY difference is the volume they hold

IF Apple finds out there is no demand/ market at the price point for a given amount of memory, they will do 1 of 2 things

1) lower the price
2) discontinue that model


Again ,,, so !?!?!?!?

152 simoom  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:49:56am

Does anyone know if it supports a stylus?

Back in 2003, the company I worked at the time had a number of Tablet PCs they'd purchased which we didn't end up having much use for. I had one of them for a few months and besides scribbling in OneNote one of the things I really enjoyed was freehand drawing in Alias Sketchbook.

I might consider picking up the $499 model just for that and maybe tablet-couch web-surfing, if it supports it.

153 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:50:28am

re: #151 sattv4u2

So I don't like Apple's closed architecture nor huge markup in memory prices.

154 Kragar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:51:07am

Just saw that John and Elizabeth Edwards are now legally separated. Good for her.

155 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:51:30am

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I went to the Dr this morning. Blood pressure? FANTASTIC! 117/78 (IIRC)

She looked up my nose and said, "ugh. I'm surprised you could lift your head off of the pillow. You must be miserable"

Yeah. That's right. I'm TOUGH!... I'm MANLY!... I'm MACHO!... I'm flippin' CHUCK NORRIS!

You may think it's funny, but it'snot.

I went yesterday, and got a vitB12 shot and a script for Azithromycin, a new asthma inhaler and a new Advair discus all for $169.00! Lucky me!//
Seriously being sick is not what its cracked up to be. This is my first bought of Bronchitis this year but if this year is as last year was its the first of three bouts I get to have fun with. FBV I'm right there with you. I sincerely hope you feel better.

156 vxbush  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:51:30am

re: #152 simoom

Does anyone know if it supports a stylus?

Back in 2003, the company I worked at the time had a number of Tablet PCs they'd purchased which we didn't end up having much use for. I had one of them for a few months and besides scribbling in OneNote one of the things I really enjoyed was freehand drawing in Alias Sketchbook.

I might consider picking up the $499 model just for that and maybe tablet-couch web-surfing, if it supports it.

No, no stylus that I'm aware of. They did a demo of drawing in an app specially made for the iPad, but I didn't get to see that. No idea if it works well or not.

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:52:39am

re: #155 Dragon_Lady

Got my flu shot (regular and H1N1)... I've never had a flu shot before. Ever. But, I can tell you this...

$4.00 prescription generics flippin' rock!

158 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:52:47am

re: #155 Dragon_Lady

I went yesterday, and got a vitB12 shot and a script for Azithromycin, a new asthma inhaler and a new Advair discus all for $169.00! Lucky me!//
Seriously being sick is not what its cracked up to be. This is my first bought of Bronchitis this year but if this year is as last year was its the first of three bouts I get to have fun with. FBV I'm right there with you. I sincerely hope you feel better.

Modern drugs are wonderful.

They enable a wife with pneumonia to nurse her husband through the flu.

-Jilly Cooper.

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:53:22am

re: #155 Dragon_Lady

Oh. And I still blame Toots!

160 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:53:47am

Hmmmm an interesting disclaimer at the bottom of Apples web page.

Looks like they haven't yet gotten FCC approval for it yet.

"This device has not yet been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained."

161 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:54:13am

re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. And I still blame Toots!

That'll clear you up damn quick.

162 Baier  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:55:38am

re: #160 Bubblehead II

Hmmm an interesting disclaimer at the bottom of Apples web page.

Looks like they haven't yet gotten FCC approval for it yet.

"This device has not yet been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained."

It most likely is for CYA. Lawyers. What would we do without them?

163 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:59:07am

re: #144 Rightwingconspirator

This guy re: #118 Ben Hur

Guy shoots his computer. Police show up, he gets arrested. Goes to court. Presents his best "guilty with extenuating circumstances pitch. Judge says "Id like to be lenient I have Wndows ME also." But after the RELOAD and another ten shots I'm afraid you sir are getting 6 months probation.

What about the story of the woman who called her computer's service technician and told him her computer quit working? He had her check all the buttons, plugs and ports then when she said she couldn't see them because the power was out he told her that this was real bad and she was to pack up her computer and send it back. When she asked why he replied that she was evidently too stupid to own a computer.

I don't know if that's a true story but some people I know, a few ex-coworkers of mine, would be advised to do the same.

164 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:00:26pm

re: #157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Got my flu shot (regular and H1N1)... I've never had a flu shot before. Ever. But, I can tell you this...

$4.00 prescription generics flippin' rock!

Lucky you! Mine cost $20.00 and I get a regular flu shot every year and their usually about $25.00.

165 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:01:26pm

re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Toots? Wha?

166 Kragar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:02:06pm

re: #163 Dragon_Lady

What about the story of the woman who called her computer's service technician and told him her computer quit working? He had her check all the buttons, plugs and ports then when she said she couldn't see them because the power was out he told her that this was real bad and she was to pack up her computer and send it back. When she asked why he replied that she was evidently too stupid to own a computer.

I don't know if that's a true story but some people I know, a few ex-coworkers of mine, would be advised to do the same.

There are tons of stories like that. "Sir, is your computer running under Windows?" "No, its on my desk." or "How do you work the foot pedal (mouse)?

167 subsailor68  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:04:06pm

re: #163 Dragon_Lady

What about the story of the woman who called her computer's service technician and told him her computer quit working? He had her check all the buttons, plugs and ports then when she said she couldn't see them because the power was out he told her that this was real bad and she was to pack up her computer and send it back. When she asked why he replied that she was evidently too stupid to own a computer.

I don't know if that's a true story but some people I know, a few ex-coworkers of mine, would be advised to do the same.

Hi Dragon_Lady! You might get a kick out of this site:

Computer Stupidities

168 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:05:18pm

re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There are tons of stories like that. "Sir, is your computer running under Windows?" "No, its on my desk." or "How do you work the foot pedal (mouse)?

The story my father tells, and it dates back to the BIG floppies. (I don't mean 5 1/4, I mean the big ones.)

A major corporation was having trouble getting its computer files saved. They would save every night on the big floppies (old story, I warned you) and every morning the disk was insane.

Finally, they got on the phone with the tech and had him go through the procedure step by step. Everything was fine until the final step, which they eventually discovered:

After saving, the tech would use two magnets to hold it to the side of the filing cabinet until the next morning.

169 avanti  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:05:27pm

re: #152 simoom

Does anyone know if it supports a stylus?

Back in 2003, the company I worked at the time had a number of Tablet PCs they'd purchased which we didn't end up having much use for. I had one of them for a few months and besides scribbling in OneNote one of the things I really enjoyed was freehand drawing in Alias Sketchbook.

I might consider picking up the $499 model just for that and maybe tablet-couch web-surfing, if it supports it.

I need to know if it will have Slingbox support so I can access my satellite DVR around the world with Wi-Fi or 3G like I can on my laptop. I don't want to pay another TV access bill.

170 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:06:11pm

re: #162 Baier

It most likely is for CYA. Lawyers. What would we do without them?

Maybe. But isn't it kinda strange to debut a product before you have all the regulatory T's crossed and I's dotted? All it would take to screw up the release date is for some bureaucrat over at the FCC to deny/procrastinate on issuing the approval letter.

171 Kragar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:06:54pm

My favorite incident remains the "Internet goes down every day at 4pm". The office was complaining so we investigated and looked at the logs and sure enough, the switch to the office was dropping off every day at 4 and coming back online about 15-20minutes later. We trouble shot the thing and couldn't find out what was wrong, so we swapped in a new switch and the very next day, it went down again. We headed down there to see what the hell was going on and thats when we figured it out. Every afternoon at 4, the cleaning guy unplugged the switch to plug in his vacuum, did his job and plugged the switch back in when he left.

172 Gearhead  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:08:16pm

So it's a reader-netbook-media player in one. All it needs is cell phone functionality. Now where can I find clothes with giant pockets?

173 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:08:22pm

re: #167 subsailor68

If I was to sit and read that website it would take a year! I love it though and I'll pop into it from time to time when I need a laugh! Thank you! :-)

174 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:09:54pm

re: #171 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wasn't there a joke along those lines, with a cleaning person working in the life support wing?

175 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:10:27pm

re: #172 Gearhead

So it's a reader-netbook-media player in one. All it needs is cell phone functionality. Now where can I find clothes with giant pockets?

iirc ,, this guy had lots o pockets

Image: kangaroo-animalrummy.JPG

176 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:11:28pm

re: #175 sattv4u2

iirc ,, this guy had lots o pockets

[Link: www.gasolinealleyantiques.com...]

Mr. Green Jeans! memories

177 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:12:18pm

re: #172 Gearhead

re: #175 sattv4u2

iirc ,, this guy had lots o pockets

[Link: www.gasolinealleyantiques.com...]


AND ,, the guy on the far right's name in the movie was POCKETS

Image: Hawks_H1.jpg

178 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:13:17pm

True story (I've told it here before).

My SIL is computer illiterate (possibly illiterate illiterate. Joke!)

Was my other SILs (lives in Canada) birthday and the above SIL (Israel) told us that she sent her a birthday email TWO DAYS before her birthday.

She actually said, "I hope it gets there in time!"

179 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:13:45pm

re: #155 Dragon_Lady

I wish you well, do take care.

180 avanti  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:14:58pm

re: #174 cliffster

Wasn't there a joke along those lines, with a cleaning person working in the life support wing?

I once had to spend part of the night in the GITMO commissary safe to figure out why the alarm went off at 3-4 AM every morning. Turned out they were flipping the circuit breaker breaker to the alarm power with the lights after closing and it took that long for the backup battery to got dead and trigger the alarm.

181 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:15:16pm

Has RWC mentioned that he got me an ipod for xmas? I really wanted a pda but their so darn expensive that I started looking at other alternatives. The ipod has all the apps I'll ever need for use as a pda and I can listen to my favorite music at the same time. The only prob with is when I use the earbuds I can't listen to RWC at the same time so it seems kinda rude. I only use it when I want to tune him out (one in your eye babe!). Oh and the music I've down loaded comes out to about $80.00, not to mention the apps and games. At $1.00 or so each that gets a bit expensive.

182 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:15:54pm

re: #179 Ericus58

Thanks!

183 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:18:05pm

I was just showing my mother how to use Facebook. She threw up her hands and said, "It's all so complicated, I'll never remember all this!"

It's. Freaking. Facebook.

184 Gearhead  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:18:11pm

re: #175 sattv4u2

iirc ,, this guy had lots o pockets

[Link: www.gasolinealleyantiques.com...]

Animal Rummy - is this a dog that moved up from beer to harder beverages?

185 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:18:25pm

re: #168 EmmmieG

God that's funny! They say laughter is the best medicine, and they're right! I feel better, thanks!

186 mbruce  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:19:25pm

Oh, yeah, the wife will get one for sure.

187 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:19:36pm

IPhone with Elephantitis??

Just saw that online.

188 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:20:00pm

My artsy-inclined friends and I were wondering if this thing would head more towards the Tablet PC side of things (styluses, Wacom tech, good for art) or more towards the Ebook side of things, guess we have out answer. Cool tech, not something I need. My iPod touch is pretty great, but it's the only Apple product I need.

189 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:20:05pm

re: #183 Alouette

I was just showing my mother how to use Facebook. She threw up her hands and said, "It's all so complicated, I'll never remember all this!"

It's. Freaking. Facebook.

You should see my Dad when he tried to use an internet browser that wasn't AOL. Now that was funny! I've never heard so much swearing in my life! And he doesn't swear, well not hardly anyways!

190 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:20:05pm

re: #183 Alouette

I was just showing my mother how to use Facebook. She threw up her hands and said, "It's all so complicated, I'll never remember all this!"

It's. Freaking. Facebook.

Like

191 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:20:20pm

re: #184 Gearhead

Animal Rummy - is this a dog that moved up from beer to harder beverages?

lol ,,,, I had that card game, btw

(I don't recall it being the Captain Kangaroo version, however,,, could have been ,, that was about 50 years ago, and I don't recall what I had for dinner last night)

192 Hawaii69  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:22:26pm

Coming soon, with more memory and a jumbo screen:

The Apple Maxi-Pad.

193 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:22:40pm

Frantic Steve Jobs Stays Up All Night Designing Apple Tablet

CUPERTINO, CA—Claiming that he completely forgot about the much-hyped electronic device until the last minute, a frantic Steve Jobs reportedly stayed up all night Tuesday in a desperate effort to design Apple's new tablet computer. "Come on, Steve, just think—think, dammit—you're running out of time," the exhausted CEO said as he glued nine separate iPhones to the back of a plastic cafeteria tray. "Okay, yeah, this will work. This will definitely work. Just need to write 'tablet' on this little strip of masking tape here and I'm golden. Oh, come on, you piece of shit! Just stick already!" Middle-of-the-night sources reported that Jobs then began work on double-spacing his Keynote presentation and increasing the font size to make it appear longer

194 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:23:12pm

re: #152 simoom

Does anyone know if it supports a stylus?

Back in 2003, the company I worked at the time had a number of Tablet PCs they'd purchased which we didn't end up having much use for. I had one of them for a few months and besides scribbling in OneNote one of the things I really enjoyed was freehand drawing in Alias Sketchbook.

I might consider picking up the $499 model just for that and maybe tablet-couch web-surfing, if it supports it.

Something tells me even if it does support a stylus, it's not going to behave like a tablet PC. The reason Tablet PCs (mine is a Toshiba M200) are so much fun to draw with is they usually have Wacom internals for the tablet/stylus functionality, meaning the Tablet PC is like a Cintiq 15x with a computer attached to it. And thus, awesome for drawing, since Wacoms are what we all use for digital art. :)

If you want a digital sketchpad, a refurbished M200 is about $300 on ebay, one of the best art tool purchases I have ever made.

195 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:23:50pm

re: #192 Hawaii69

Coming soon, with more memory and a jumbo screen:

The Apple Maxi-Pad.

With a sense of humor like that you'll fit in real well! Well done! LMAO!

196 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:24:53pm

re: #183 Alouette

I was just showing my mother how to use Facebook. She threw up her hands and said, "It's all so complicated, I'll never remember all this!"

It's. Freaking. Facebook.

haha I've been using computers for almost 30 years, and I can't stand Facebook! Too many bells and whistles, too much crap, I like dead simple social sites where I can control how much of my identity I reveal.

197 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:24:57pm

re: #192 Hawaii69

Coming soon, with more memory and a jumbo screen:

The Apple Maxi-Pad.

But you can only use it once a month!

198 idioma  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:26:19pm

Feminine hygiene from Apple?

199 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:26:53pm

re: #198 idioma

Feminine hygiene from Apple?

200 Donna Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:26:54pm

I gotta go to the hardware store but first I'm gonna take a nap. Keep laughing Lizards! BBL

201 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:30:05pm

Bonnie Raitt kicks ass.

202 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:30:44pm

re: #194 WindUpBird

I love my WACOM, I'd beat someone for touching it. DON'T EVEN LOOK AT IT!//

203 Hawaii69  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:31:00pm

If you've never seen Mad TV's demonstration
of the I-Rack....

204 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:36:10pm
205 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:37:24pm

I love chocolate milk.

206 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:38:00pm

re: #205 Aceofwhat?

I love chocolate milk.

The stray duck flies west!

207 freetoken  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:38:12pm

re: #199 Ben Hur

It was the women who were live blogging the announcement who readily laughed at the name of the device... like, did Jobs really want to name it that way?

208 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:38:49pm

re: #202 RogueOne

I love my WACOM, I'd beat someone for touching it. DON'T EVEN LOOK AT IT!//

haha, I let all my friends use my Cintiq 15x, because I want to evangelize its amazingness. Eyeing a 21ux after I get a bonus for a project (hopefully). Total business expense, the bigger the Cintiq, the more screen size, the faster I can work.

209 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:39:17pm

re: #202 RogueOne

I love my WACOM, I'd beat someone for touching it. DON'T EVEN LOOK AT IT!//

Was it you that was talking about Brom?

210 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:42:08pm

re: #209 WindUpBird

No, I'm just a hobbyist. Doing maps in photoshop is a real drag without a pad so I splurged a little. I'm surprised my old Intuous3 is still so expensive.

211 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:42:12pm

re: #209 WindUpBird

Was it you that was talking about Brom?

no, that was me

212 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:42:21pm

re: #206 sattv4u2

The stray duck flies west!

One of those, "post (blank) so I know it's really you" emails??

213 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:43:42pm

re: #208 WindUpBird

haha, I let all my friends use my Cintiq 15x, because I want to evangelize its amazingness. Eyeing a 21ux after I get a bonus for a project (hopefully). Total business expense, the bigger the Cintiq, the more screen size, the faster I can work.

That Cintiq is almost $2k, my spouse would kill me!

214 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:43:52pm

Seeing criticism about using it as a book reader Kindle thing.

215 Summer Seale  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:44:44pm

Ok, I'll say it: I want one.

Badly want one. =)

I might get one in another month actually. But the laptop I have right now is incredible. Full gaming 17" incredible screen, quad core pro, 9800 GTX Nvidia 1 gig video card on board, 4 gigs ram. I got it for working in Maya when I'm traveling, and I used it for two full months to create stuff with in Maya this summer when I was in Europe. Totally amazing.

The problem I'd have with an iPad is that it's just not that. But I create 3D so I guess I'll still need powerful desktop and laptop systems in the near future. =)

Tho, I gotta be honest here: iPad looks awesome. I'd probably get one to slip in my laptop backpack when I'm out traveling and stuff. Totally awesome. =)

o/ Apple! =)

216 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:45:19pm

Oh Well, have to be satisfied for awhile with my Toshiba U-505 Windows 7, 64 Bit, 320 HDD, 4Gb "12 incher" that I've had for about 3 weeks now. I think I can live with that.

-S-

217 Summer Seale  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:45:21pm

Oh and yea, I have a Wacom wireless tablet to work with (bluetooth for both my desktop and laptop). Can't do 3D without it. =)

218 simoom  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:46:20pm

I see a lot of chatter about the iPad's browser not supporting Flash? Hopefully they address that quickly.

219 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:46:23pm

re: #211 Aceofwhat?

no, that was me

oh, right right, I was going to hit you with some more spooky + technically brilliant art:

John Jude Palencar comes to mind, as does Rick Berry, Mark Ryden, Greg Spalenka, Cliff Nielsen, Jon Foster, David Ho, Christopher Shy, Phil Hale, Dave McKean, John Bolton, Robert Venosa (okay, more hallucinogenic than evil)

220 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:47:24pm

re: #213 RogueOne

That Cintiq is almost $2k, my spouse would kill me!

For me, it translates into more income, but yeah, they get a little dear. A refurb is 1.5K, though, and you might be able to find a 20wsx for only a thousand if you keep your eyes peeled on ebay.

221 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:47:54pm

re: #218 simoom

I see a lot of chatter about the iPad's browser not supporting Flash? Hopefully they address that quickly.

I don't think so. Pretty sure that is by design. Apple can't be having people replatform them.

222 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:48:20pm

Gotta run, Have a good day folks.

223 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:48:32pm

re: #215 Summer

Ok, I'll say it: I want one.

Badly want one. =)

I might get one in another month actually. But the laptop I have right now is incredible. Full gaming 17" incredible screen, quad core pro, 9800 GTX Nvidia 1 gig video card on board, 4 gigs ram. I got it for working in Maya when I'm traveling, and I used it for two full months to create stuff with in Maya this summer when I was in Europe. Totally amazing.

The problem I'd have with an iPad is that it's just not that. But I create 3D so I guess I'll still need powerful desktop and laptop systems in the near future. =)

Tho, I gotta be honest here: iPad looks awesome. I'd probably get one to slip in my laptop backpack when I'm out traveling and stuff. Totally awesome. =)

o/ Apple! =)

Mmm, tasty laptop gaming... yeah, that's the thing with Apple, they left the gaming market behind a long time ago. Not that they ever focused on it that much.

224 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:48:55pm

re: #215 Summer

Nice laptop. May I ask the brand?

225 Ben Hur  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:49:00pm

re: #218 simoom

I see a lot of chatter about the iPad's browser not supporting Flash? Hopefully they address that quickly.

They need to leave some stuff out to have on the 2nd version coming out in 3 weeks.

/

226 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:51:46pm

re: #219 WindUpBird

sweet. i'll check it out.

227 Right Brain  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:52:54pm

Good-bye Kindle DX. Roughly the same price and a million times more useful.

228 Summer Seale  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:53:24pm

re: #224 Ericus58

Packard Bell, iPower GX:

(BTW, I don't play games. I got a gaming machine because it runs and renders in Maya FAST. I create content, I don't waste my time on games). =)

229 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:58:17pm

Yummy. The best thing about it is that this may finally what drives a stake through the evil heart of Flash dead. That would be a glorious win for all computers. Muhahahah & your little dog Amazon too!

//Only a little...

Aside from that, it's perfect for most of what people actually do on a computer most of the time - read email, surf the web, look at pictures & light writing & number crunching. If they can do for e-books what they did for music, then even better.

William

230 Petero1818  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 12:59:40pm

re: #4 Charles

Direct challenge to the Kindle -- iBooks.

This is the one I am most curious about. As a Kindle user (and I love it) I have always appreciated the e-ink screen which does not over stimulate the eye when reading. I am very curious as to whether it is a good thing to read books on an LCD or LED backed screen. Laptop surfing at night certainly is not recommended for those looking to read before bed and relax. Isn't that the case here too?

231 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:01:25pm

Isn't this basically a smaller, lighter, fancier, laptop computer?
NTTAWWT

232 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:03:02pm

I haven't decided where I want to eat supper tonight. What's a really good kosher restaurant in LA, in the Valley? Yesterday I went to La bocca, what a ripoff.

233 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:03:06pm

No threats here move along now...

The Religion Of Pieces
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iran's supreme leader predicted the destruction of Israel in comments posted on his Web site on Wednesday, in some of his strongest remarks in years about the Jewish state.

In the past, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has called Israel a "cancerous tumor" that must be wiped from the map, but the new comments mark the first time in years he has openly speculated about Israel's demise.

"Definitely, the day will come when nations of the region will witness the destruction of the Zionist regime," Khamenei was quoted as saying. "How soon or late (Israel's demise) will happen depends on how Islamic countries and Muslim nations approach the issue."

234 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:04:35pm

re: #233 Rightwingconspirator

No threats here move along now...

The Religion Of Pieces
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iran's supreme leader predicted the destruction of Israel in comments posted on his Web site on Wednesday, in some of his strongest remarks in years about the Jewish state.

In the past, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has called Israel a "cancerous tumor" that must be wiped from the map, but the new comments mark the first time in years he has openly speculated about Israel's demise.

"Definitely, the day will come when nations of the region will witness the destruction of the Zionist regime," Khamenei was quoted as saying. "How soon or late (Israel's demise) will happen depends on how Islamic countries and Muslim nations approach the issue."

"He didn't really mean it that way."
/J Street

235 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:05:32pm

re: #228 Summer

Very sweet.
Ah, the gamers and the game developers are good at pushing the video capabilities envelope which benefits us all ;)

236 lawrior  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:05:46pm

I would do anything for Steve, but I won't buy that.

This looks really nice, but that price point is a killer. I can't justify buying a big screen iPhone to go with the rest of my beloved Apple products. I still want a Kindle though.

237 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:07:28pm

re: #233 Rightwingconspirator

No threats here move along now...

The Religion Of Pieces
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iran's supreme leader predicted the destruction of Israel in comments posted on his Web site on Wednesday, in some of his strongest remarks in years about the Jewish state.

In the past, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has called Israel a "cancerous tumor" that must be wiped from the map, but the new comments mark the first time in years he has openly speculated about Israel's demise.

"Definitely, the day will come when nations of the region will witness the destruction of the Zionist regime," Khamenei was quoted as saying. "How soon or late (Israel's demise) will happen depends on how Islamic countries and Muslim nations approach the issue."


What is more likely? That this is a threat that will be followed through, ensuring Iran is leveled into a radioactive hellscape with a half life of ten thousand years? Every single political powerhouse in Iran, they're all fanatically suicidal, huh? That's really what you believe?

Or is this pandering politics, where the grandstanding from the Ayatollah keeps a destitute and beaten down population in line and distracted from their own misery and lack of freedom, by giving them an enemy to hate from afar?

238 Summer Seale  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:07:39pm

re: #235 Ericus58

In Second Life, I melt your screen, baby. =)

239 Summer Seale  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:08:35pm

In RL too...just sayin'... =) (was talking technology there...ha!)

240 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:08:54pm

re: #234 Alouette

"He didn't really mean it that way."
/J Street

Actually, he didn't. because it's politics. I believe the threats are idle, they will result in mutually assured destruction for the country.

Note that was posted on a web-site. What has Iran been having trouble lately? Dissidents using the internet to network.

241 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:09:51pm

re: #231 Spare O'Lake

Isn't this basically a smaller, lighter, fancier, laptop computer?
NTTAWWT

it's not even a laptop comuter, it's a bigger, fancier iPod touch. Closed system, runs iPhone apps, cool, but not as flexible as a real laptop.

242 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:11:08pm

re: #228 Summer

Packard Bell, iPower GX:


[Video](BTW, I don't play games. I got a gaming machine because it runs and renders in Maya FAST. I create content, I don't waste my time on games). =)

I create game content, so it's sort of my job to be familiar with games. ;-) I assume you do have SOMETHING you do for fun, yes? For me, it's PC games, especially with my friends across the country I don't see much due to distance.

243 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:11:34pm

re: #237 WindUpBird

What is more likely? That this is a threat that will be followed through, ensuring Iran is leveled into a radioactive hellscape with a half life of ten thousand years? Every single political powerhouse in Iran, they're all fanatically suicidal, huh? That's really what you believe?

Or is this pandering politics, where the grandstanding from the Ayatollah keeps a destitute and beaten down population in line and distracted from their own misery and lack of freedom, by giving them an enemy to hate from afar?

What's the risk if I guess wrong?

244 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:11:39pm

re: #156 vxbush

No, no stylus that I'm aware of. They did a demo of drawing in an app specially made for the iPad, but I didn't get to see that. No idea if it works well or not.

VX
Are you drooling with techno-lust yet?

245 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:13:54pm

re: #237 WindUpBird

What is more likely? I have no good reason to speculate. Words have consequences. Threats are not to be dismissed lightly.

246 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:14:11pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

What's the risk if I guess wrong?

Is every threat actionable? Do we attack countries based on every threat? Because I guess that's where we're going with that.

Iran, to me, is not NEARLY as much of a threat as Pakistan is. But Pakistan hasn't really been the boogeyman, they were treated as an ally, so it gets overlooked. If we are to see a nuclear exchange in our lifetimes, it will involve Pakistan.

247 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:14:37pm

re: #240 WindUpBird

Mutual destruction is moot to a suicide bomber.

248 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:14:43pm

re: #245 Rightwingconspirator

What is more likely? I have no good reason to speculate. Words have consequences. Threats are not to be dismissed lightly.

I don't dismiss them, I just think logically.

Do you think it is logical that the entire power seat of Iran is suicidal?

249 political lunatic  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:14:47pm

The hype on the Internet from this thing has made me think to myself "So, this is like Jesus' second coming, but on a smaller scale". Maybe it won'y live up to the hype, but it will come close to it. If I didn't already own a netbook, I would think long and hard about dropping $600 on the 32GB version.

250 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:14:57pm

re: #237 WindUpBird

How nice to have the luxury of ignoring such maniacal threats from an enemy sworn to your destruction and assuming that the madman does not mean what he says. Unfortunately, the history of the Jewish people dictates that these threats be taken more seriously, especially from an actual state sponsor of Hamas and Hezbollah terrorism.

251 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:15:09pm

Sweet jeebus. They're going to be releasing the final two Harry Potter movies (Deathly Hallows v. 1 & 2) in 3D. Guess I better preorder my tickets to a showing of vol. 1 for sometime in 2050.

252 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:16:01pm

re: #247 Rightwingconspirator

Mutual destruction is moot to a suicide bomber.

And a suicide bomber is not the power seat of Iran. Just like an infantryman is not General Sherman.

I never said they wouldn't send individual people to die. They are the power of Iran, I do not believe they will commit suicide en masse.

253 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:17:28pm

re: #246 WindUpBird

Is every threat actionable? Do we attack countries based on every threat? Because I guess that's where we're going with that.

Iran, to me, is not NEARLY as much of a threat as Pakistan is. But Pakistan hasn't really been the boogeyman, they were treated as an ally, so it gets overlooked. If we are to see a nuclear exchange in our lifetimes, it will involve Pakistan.

I agree that there is more danger in Pakistan, but they are an ally of the US at the moment. I would really like Iran not to get nukes. I don't know what it will take to prevent that.

254 Kragar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:18:16pm

re: #252 WindUpBird

And a suicide bomber is not the power seat of Iran. Just like an infantryman is not General Sherman.

I never said they wouldn't send individual people to die. They are the power of Iran, I do not believe they will commit suicide en masse.

History teaches us differently. Plenty of leaders have taken their countries and followers down with them.

255 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:18:49pm

re: #250 Spare O'Lake

How nice to have the luxury of ignoring such maniacal threats from an enemy sworn to your destruction and assuming that the madman does not mean what he says. Unfortunately, the history of the Jewish people dictates that these threats be taken more seriously, especially from an actual state sponsor of Hamas and Hezbollah terrorism.

"Spare" me, dude. Israel is a lot more protected than jews in Warsaw.

And you're putting words in my mouth. I never said we shouldn't take them seriously. I said I don't believe they will act on them. Threats like this reveal the political climate of a country. They're important to pay attention to.

But it is not logical to believe that the entire power base of Iran is suicidal. And for you to believe that a nuclear exchange with Israel and Iran will happen, you would have to believe that.

256 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:19:11pm

re: #252 WindUpBird

The Iranian regime had no problem sending hundreds of thousands to die on the battlefields in the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war; including kids who were sent on the battlefield to trip mines so that the guys with guns and tanks wouldn't have to.

That's a generation removed from the current power struggles. Would the regime find enough willing when the regime is threatened by the opposition that considers it illegitimate? Well, they've still got the Basiji on their side, and the army hasn't moved in to shut down either the mullahs or the opposition. (Yet).

257 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:19:38pm

re: #254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

History teaches us differently. Plenty of leaders have taken their countries and followers down with them.

Sorry, not buying it. History teaches us a million things, you can't just pick one and ignore the others.

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:19:58pm

re: #237 WindUpBird

What is more likely? That this is a threat that will be followed through, ensuring Iran is leveled into a radioactive hellscape with a half life of ten thousand years? Every single political powerhouse in Iran, they're all fanatically suicidal, huh? That's really what you believe?

Or is this pandering politics, where the grandstanding from the Ayatollah keeps a destitute and beaten down population in line and distracted from their own misery and lack of freedom, by giving them an enemy to hate from afar?

I think you're right, so far as willingness to stick their own hand in the fire goes, but Iran has meddled actively in supporting terror groups for long enough that I would like to see their toolbox considerably pared back.

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:21:23pm

re: #245 Rightwingconspirator

What is more likely? I have no good reason to speculate. Words have consequences. Threats are not to be dismissed lightly.

Politics is all about speculation. Let's speculate like crazy!

260 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:21:30pm

re: #256 lawhawk

And you're underestimating the power of theology and religious passions to exhort the nation to conflict, even though it has little interest to do so otherwise. Longstanding religious conflicts are simmering here, and Israel is a convenient foil, but hardly the only one; the Sunni-Shia conflict is the prime concern of the mullahs in Tehran. They'd love to stick it to Cairo and Riyadh just as much (if not more so) than Jerusalem.

261 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:21:55pm

re: #239 Summer

Haha, all good!
Hey?! Why is the colors on my screen running?!

262 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:22:08pm

re: #256 lawhawk

The Iranian regime had no problem sending hundreds of thousands to die on the battlefields in the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war; including kids who were sent on the battlefield to trip mines so that the guys with guns and tanks wouldn't have to.

That's a generation removed from the current power struggles. Would the regime find enough willing when the regime is threatened by the opposition that considers it illegitimate? Well, they've still got the Basiji on their side, and the army hasn't moved in to shut down either the mullahs or the opposition. (Yet).

That's a ground war, not a nuclear war. The Iranian REGIME didn't go out to die, did they? And that's what the heart of it is.

Again, nuclear exchange would destroy Iran and leave it uninhabitable slag. I am familiar with the IranIraq war, as anyone who reads this blog out to be.

I'll ask again: do you believe the power base of Iran is unified in commiting suicide?

263 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:22:42pm

re: #252 WindUpBird

And a suicide bomber is not the power seat of Iran. Just like an infantryman is not General Sherman.

I never said they wouldn't send individual people to die. They are the power of Iran, I do not believe they will commit suicide en masse.

I don't either, but it's not just grandstanding. How many borderline bombers become actual bombers because they heard the command straight from the lips of the Grand Poobah himself? It's completely reprehensible and insane for that reason alone.

I understand the small semantic point that you're trying to make...i think. Reminds me of folks making small semantic points about the Birchers. Some things just aren't worth sticking up for, even if your very narrowly crafted caveat is technically accurate...

264 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:24:26pm

re: #258 SanFranciscoZionist

I think you're right, so far as willingness to stick their own hand in the fire goes, but Iran has meddled actively in supporting terror groups for long enough that I would like to see their toolbox considerably pared back.

Oh, I believe we need to continue to put massive pressure on them and stamp out their terror arms! I would like that as well. I'm just not buying the "wipe off the map" thing. I don't believe in the idea that Iran is going to nuke anyone and thus themselves.

You get it, I wish others did. I mention that they're nt suicidal, and people want to scoot the goal posts to say that I' m not taking Iran seriously. Because I don't believe they all wish to martyr themselves.

265 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:26:00pm

re: #263 Aceofwhat?

I don't either, but it's not just grandstanding. How many borderline bombers become actual bombers because they heard the command straight from the lips of the Grand Poobah himself? It's completely reprehensible and insane for that reason alone.

I understand the small semantic point that you're trying to make...i think. Reminds me of folks making small semantic points about the Birchers. Some things just aren't worth sticking up for, even if your very narrowly crafted caveat is technically accurate...

I'm talking about a nuclear exchange. Mutually Assured Discussion.

I'm sticking up for nobody, I am thinking logically. And I don't see any "semantic point". I espouse a simple belief: the people in power in Iran wish to STAY in power in Iran, and not be fried into glowing dust.

266 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:26:30pm

re: #265 WindUpBird

I'm talking about a nuclear exchange. Mutually Assured Discussion.

I'm sticking up for nobody, I am thinking logically. And I don't see any "semantic point". I espouse a simple belief: the people in power in Iran wish to STAY in power in Iran, and not be fried into glowing dust.

ahahaha MUTUALLY ASSURED DISCUSSION

that should read "Destruction", but hell if that wouldn't be a great name for a blog.

267 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:26:31pm

A rare display of GOP responsibility and common sense.....

Indiana GOP Chairman: 'We Don't Condone' Senate Candidate Who Called For Armed Revolution If 2010 Elections Don't Work Out

The Indiana Republican Party is officially disapproving of remarks by Richard Behney, a Tea Party activist who is seeking the GOP nomination to run against Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh, and who declared that if the 2010 elections don't turn out right he would be "cleaning my guns and getting ready for the big show."

"We don't condone this type of rhetoric and feel it is unhelpful in promoting constructive debate," said state GOP chairman Murray Clark, in a statement e-mailed to TPMDC. "We continue to encourage anyone seeking political change to do so through the electoral process and to discuss the issues of the day in a civil manner."

Was that so hard?

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:28:06pm

re: #246 WindUpBird

Is every threat actionable? Do we attack countries based on every threat? Because I guess that's where we're going with that.

Iran, to me, is not NEARLY as much of a threat as Pakistan is. But Pakistan hasn't really been the boogeyman, they were treated as an ally, so it gets overlooked. If we are to see a nuclear exchange in our lifetimes, it will involve Pakistan.

I give you a 75% chance of being right on that one. Which does keep me up nights...

269 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:28:16pm

re: #263 Aceofwhat?

I don't either, but it's not just grandstanding. How many borderline bombers become actual bombers because they heard the command straight from the lips of the Grand Poobah himself? It's completely reprehensible and insane for that reason alone.

Also, i didn't say the threats aren't dangerous, or that they're not reprehensible.

I'm saying the things coming out of the Ayatollah's mouth are for political purposes, not a literal threat of "WE WILL TOTALLY NUKE YOU, IT WILL HAPPEN EVEN IF THE WHOLE WORLD NUKES US BACK." Not a sematic point at all. Unless you consider the difference between a guy strapping C4 to his midsection and a MIRV a "sematic difference".

270 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:28:33pm

re: #247 Rightwingconspirator

Mutual destruction is moot to a suicide bomber.

Iran funds those, but has produced none that I can think of off the top of my head.

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:30:01pm

re: #250 Spare O'Lake

How nice to have the luxury of ignoring such maniacal threats from an enemy sworn to your destruction and assuming that the madman does not mean what he says. Unfortunately, the history of the Jewish people dictates that these threats be taken more seriously, especially from an actual state sponsor of Hamas and Hezbollah terrorism.

I don't think he's ignoring, I think he's assessing. Iran would destroy Israel given half a chance. To me it's an unproven assumption that they are willing to destroy themselves in the process.

272 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:30:56pm

Had to pop on to post this:

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Friend: Elizabeth Edwards separates from husband


RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) - A friend says Elizabeth Edwards has separated from her husband, two-time presidential candidate John Edwards.

Andrea Purse tells The Associated Press on behalf of Elizabeth Edwards that the couple has separated. Purse released a statement Wednesday that says Elizabeth is moving on with her life and wants to put this difficult chapter behind her.

It comes as details emerge about a tell-all book from longtime John Edwards aide Andrew Young, who initially claimed he fathered a child with Edwards' mistress.

John Edwards publicly declared last week that he was the one who fathered a child with Rielle Hunter, who worked as a videographer before his second presidential campaign.

North Carolina law requires couples to be separated for a year before divorcing.

Good for her!

273 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:31:01pm

re: #255 WindUpBird

What you believe is based on a fundamentally flawed assumption about the Islamofascist terrorist regime in Tehran. You assume that these radical Islamist anti-Semites value life more than death for the greater glory of Allah.
Denial of the reality of the death cult of radical Islam is a privilege Israel cannot afford...and neither (for much longer) can the USA.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:31:13pm

re: #253 wrenchwench

I agree that there is more danger in Pakistan, but they are an ally of the US at the moment. I would really like Iran not to get nukes. I don't know what it will take to prevent that.

Also, of course, Pakistan already HAS the nukes, and getting them away from them would be a bit harder than taking candy from a baby.

I think Israel is going to strike Iran's facilities sometime within the next eighteen months.

275 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:31:56pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

I give you a 75% chance of being right on that one. Which does keep me up nights...

It's worrysome, but I think more for the reasons Ace has said, that it radicalizes and motivates terrorists further, not because of a nuclear exchange.

Iran works extremely hard to maintain order and squash dissidents as we saw during the elections, it seems to me that they really like things as they are, and need to keep the population radicalized and fearful and focused on an external enemy to keep things as they are. And the population is becoming more moderate and less trustful of Ahmedinajad.

This is a very unpopular position to hold here, I realize.

276 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:32:52pm

re: #247 Rightwingconspirator

Mutual destruction is moot to a suicide bomber.

This is irrelevant, and I'd really like it if you'd focus on what I am *actually* saying.

Do you believe the entire regime of Iran, the entire power base...are as suicidal as a suicide bomber?

Is that really logical to you?

277 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:33:04pm

re: #272 RogueOne

Had to pop on to post this:
"RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) - A friend says Elizabeth Edwards has separated from her husband, two-time presidential candidate John Edwards."

Anyone else initially read that as "two-timing"?

278 Buck  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:33:10pm

My (windows mobile) 3G cell phone can act like a wifi router. So if I were to get the WIFI only, I could do the "3G" for no extra money...

279 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:33:38pm

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, of course, Pakistan already HAS the nukes, and getting them away from them would be a bit harder than taking candy from a baby.

I think Israel is going to strike Iran's facilities sometime within the next eighteen months.

Pakistan has the nukes, and Pakistan borders a country that they have had some speaks with in the past! Way more volatile and unstable.

And I think you're right on the second point.

280 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:34:16pm

re: #271 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think he's ignoring, I think he's assessing. Iran would destroy Israel given half a chance. To me it's an unproven assumption that they are willing to destroy themselves in the process.

Either you believe that radical Islam values death above life or you deny it. I believe it, and from that belief follows the rest.

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:34:27pm

re: #263 Aceofwhat?

I don't either, but it's not just grandstanding. How many borderline bombers become actual bombers because they heard the command straight from the lips of the Grand Poobah himself? It's completely reprehensible and insane for that reason alone.

I understand the small semantic point that you're trying to make...i think. Reminds me of folks making small semantic points about the Birchers. Some things just aren't worth sticking up for, even if your very narrowly crafted caveat is technically accurate...

I don't think it's a semantic point. Sure, this ongoing rhetoric, and more importantly, Iran's financial supply to Hezbollah/Hamas/Whoknows has an ongoing impact.

But the question of whether Iran's leadership is prepared to reduce Iran to a Chihuly art piece while taking out Israel is a serious and very complicated one. I tend to say "No," while a little voice in the back of my head says, "I hope to God you're right," and another that sounds sort of like Netanyahu says "Aren't you glad you don't have to place that bet?"

282 Buck  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:35:13pm

re: #276 WindUpBird

This is irrelevant, and I'd really like it if you'd focus on what I am *actually* saying.

Do you believe the entire regime of Iran, the entire power base...are as suicidal as a suicide bomber?

Is that really logical to you?

In order to do evil, you have to believe you are doing good. Does the power base believe that there would be good in world wide chaos? That it might bring the 12th Iman out of hiding and take all of us to paradise?

Yes, I think they do.

283 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:35:27pm

re: #265 WindUpBird

I'm talking about a nuclear exchange. Mutually Assured Discussion.

I'm sticking up for nobody, I am thinking logically. And I don't see any "semantic point". I espouse a simple belief: the people in power in Iran wish to STAY in power in Iran, and not be fried into glowing dust.

One can think logically and be sticking up for somebody. They're not mutually exclusive concepts.

By "sticking up for" I mean excusing someone by virtue of explaining what you thought they meant. I understand your logic but i disagree with the exercise. Let's take the Grand Psycho at his word insofar as doing so continues to isolate him from the rest of the population and the world. He's one of the very last individuals who deserves the benefit of your doubt.

284 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:35:32pm

re: #276 WindUpBird

This is irrelevant, and I'd really like it if you'd focus on what I am *actually* saying.

Do you believe the entire regime of Iran, the entire power base...are as suicidal as a suicide bomber?

Is that really logical to you?

I think a good size portion of them are as crazy as a suicide bomber. I think you're going under the assumption that Iran would nuke Israel with a missile when that isn't necessarily the case. They could develop any number of delivery systems and just pass it on to their allies in lebanon/syria/Hezbollah.

285 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:35:46pm

re: #266 WindUpBird

ahahaha MUTUALLY ASSURED DISCUSSION

that should read "Destruction", but hell if that wouldn't be a great name for a blog.

Could I use it? If you don't need it?

Of course, I already have to start a food one called "Cantastic!" Albusteve said I could use that one.

286 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:36:02pm

re: #273 Spare O'Lake

What you believe is based on a fundamentally flawed assumption about the Islamofascist terrorist regime in Tehran. You assume that these radical Islamist anti-Semites value life more than death for the greater glory of Allah.
Denial of the reality of the death cult of radical Islam is a privilege Israel cannot afford...and neither (for much longer) can the USA.

Okay! So here I am in my chaise lounge with my pina colada, and you've taken off your towel and jumped into the crazy 12' HRGLBLGR DEATH CULT end of the pool. Done talking to you, because I expect to get paid to deal with crazy people. Cheers! :)

287 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:36:45pm

re: #262 WindUpBird

Power base - the Ahmadinejad and Khamenis? Yes, I think they're willing to sacrifice all of Iran for their theological goals - the return of the Mahdi and the slaying of the Sunni to show Shia supremacy.

It's irrational by Western terms, but that doesn't make it any less of a factor. MAD simply doesn't apply. It doesn't factor in such religious desires as trumping rational behaviors like avoiding destruction in a nuclear exchange.

Iran's leadership might be more than willing to sacrifice Qom, Tehran and a significant portion of Iran's population to turn Jerusalem/Tel Aviv, Amman, Cairo and Jedda and Kuwait City into a smoking ruin. Ignoring that possibility is at our own peril.

288 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:36:58pm

re: #272 RogueOne

Had to pop on to post this:

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Friend: Elizabeth Edwards separates from husband


Good for her!

Yeah. I think he passed through the Zone of Ann Landers a long time ago.

This marriage cannot be saved. She needs to take care of herself.

289 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:37:05pm

re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist

Could I use it? If you don't need it?

Of course, I already have to start a food one called "Cantastic!" Albusteve said I could use that one.

It's all yours! Just give me a credit if you ever become a blogging bigwig that wields cosmic internet power. :D

290 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:38:01pm

re: #288 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. I think he passed through the Zone of Ann Landers a long time ago.

This marriage cannot be saved. She needs to take care of herself.

ZONE OF ANN LANDERS

Worf: "Captain. We are entering the Ann Landers Zone. Shall I arm phasers?"
Picard: "SHIELDS! Number one?"

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:39:12pm

re: #273 Spare O'Lake

What you believe is based on a fundamentally flawed assumption about the Islamofascist terrorist regime in Tehran. You assume that these radical Islamist anti-Semites value life more than death for the greater glory of Allah.
Denial of the reality of the death cult of radical Islam is a privilege Israel cannot afford...and neither (for much longer) can the USA.

What makes you think they would do this? My perception is that the regime has backed down when threatened with destruction in the past, and that while they have been willing to fund Arab suicide bombers, for instance, they don't seem to be producing them. Do you have a reason beyond "Islamofascists are nuts" for thinking this is a move that the Tehran regime would actually make?

292 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:39:29pm

re: #288 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. I think he passed through the Zone of Ann Landers a long time ago.

This marriage cannot be saved. She needs to take care of herself.

When your spouse is planning their next wedding up to including what bands are going to play the reception while you're going through chemo...I think that's the sign it's time to move on.

293 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:39:51pm

re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist

Bonus points for the Chihuli glass reference.

294 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:40:05pm

re: #275 WindUpBird

It's worrysome, but I think more for the reasons Ace has said, that it radicalizes and motivates terrorists further, not because of a nuclear exchange.

Iran works extremely hard to maintain order and squash dissidents as we saw during the elections, it seems to me that they really like things as they are, and need to keep the population radicalized and fearful and focused on an external enemy to keep things as they are. And the population is becoming more moderate and less trustful of Ahmedinajad.

This is a very unpopular position to hold here, I realize.

It shouldn't be. Knee-jerk ideas about the Middle East are not useful, no matter what ideology they come out of. We need to be educated, smart, and thoughtful.

295 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:40:07pm

re: #287 lawhawk

Power base - the Ahmadinejad and Khamenis? Yes, I think they're willing to sacrifice all of Iran for their theological goals - the return of the Mahdi and the slaying of the Sunni to show Shia supremacy.

It's irrational by Western terms, but that doesn't make it any less of a factor. MAD simply doesn't apply. It doesn't factor in such religious desires as trumping rational behaviors like avoiding destruction in a nuclear exchange.

Iran's leadership might be more than willing to sacrifice Qom, Tehran and a significant portion of Iran's population to turn Jerusalem/Tel Aviv, Amman, Cairo and Jedda and Kuwait City into a smoking ruin. Ignoring that possibility is at our own peril.

I think you're flat wrong and you're fantasizing, and within that fantasy you are dehumanizing Iran's very savvy and clever leadership into a bunch of gibbering lunatics. What was it Lincoln said about not respecting the enem?

But that's okay, we can simply agree to wildly disagree.

296 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:40:30pm

re: #277 publicityStunted

Anyone else initially read that as "two-timing"?

That too.

297 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:41:24pm

re: #281 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think it's a semantic point. Sure, this ongoing rhetoric, and more importantly, Iran's financial supply to Hezbollah/Hamas/Whoknows has an ongoing impact.

But the question of whether Iran's leadership is prepared to reduce Iran to a Chihuly art piece while taking out Israel is a serious and very complicated one. I tend to say "No," while a little voice in the back of my head says, "I hope to God you're right," and another that sounds sort of like Netanyahu says "Aren't you glad you don't have to place that bet?"

Very well put. I do think that there is an element of the Iranian Leadership that does have the belief system in place to 'go the distance' - and Dinnerjacket is at the forefront. He was that way as mayor of Tehran.

Nice insert of Chihuly - he's a master. Watched a demonstration with his students at the Museum a few years ago in Tacoma, fantastic.

298 Kragar  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:41:27pm

re: #276 WindUpBird

This is irrelevant, and I'd really like it if you'd focus on what I am *actually* saying.

Do you believe the entire regime of Iran, the entire power base...are as suicidal as a suicide bomber?

Is that really logical to you?

I believe they are crazy enough to launch a nuclear attack and trust in the will of Allah and the Mahdi to protect them from repurcussions.

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:41:39pm

re: #280 Spare O'Lake

Either you believe that radical Islam values death above life or you deny it. I believe it, and from that belief follows the rest.

I think that's overly simplistic, and should not be taken as an article of faith that should override real history, politics, ethnic issues, etc.

300 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:42:20pm

re: #282 Buck

In order to do evil, you have to believe you are doing good. Does the power base believe that there would be good in world wide chaos? That it might bring the 12th Iman out of hiding and take all of us to paradise?

Yes, I think they do.

Why?

301 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:43:51pm

re: #283 Aceofwhat?

Let's take the Grand Psycho at his word insofar as doing so continues to isolate him from the rest of the population and the world. He's one of the very last individuals who deserves the benefit of your doubt.

I don't think the issue here is 'the benefit of the doubt', but more an awareness that what Middle Eastern leaders say is hardly ever what they mean. Taking these guys at their word is one thing, but taking them at face value--maybe not smart.

I think WUP's question is, who is this guy really talking to right now, and what is he really saying?

302 RogueOne  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:44:57pm

K, Now I'm really out of here.

303 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:45:07pm

re: #292 RogueOne

When your spouse is planning their next wedding up to including what bands are going to play the reception while you're going through chemo...I think that's the sign it's time to move on.

He thought she was just going to nicely pass away and then he wouldn't have to go through all the messy and expensive divorce procedures.

304 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:46:40pm

Ehh, early reviews of the iPad which are now free to be released aren't exactly anything to rave about. The first three I have seen now were all universal in their agreement that it just isn't going to live up to this ginormous hype Apple is trying to foster.

I'm reserving judgment until some real world reviews after a month or more of using one are written.

305 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:47:01pm

re: #286 WindUpBird

It's you who is all wet, rude punk.

306 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:47:47pm

re: #303 Alouette

He thought she was just going to nicely pass away and then he wouldn't have to go through all the messy and expensive divorce procedures.

I have a horrible feeling you could be right.

I hope she lives to be a hundred and twenty, and runs over his foot at some important family function.

307 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:52:07pm

re: #301 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think the issue here is 'the benefit of the doubt', but more an awareness that what Middle Eastern leaders say is hardly ever what they mean. Taking these guys at their word is one thing, but taking them at face value--maybe not smart.

I think WUP's question is, who is this guy really talking to right now, and what is he really saying?

Clearly written, as always. Would you permit a quick exercise (WUP can play in the sandbox too but no throwing sand...he strikes me as the kid that threw sand;)?

How would you feel if you woke up tomorrow to find that Israel had taken out some facilities about which they had actionable intelligence with regard to advanced bomb-making? And would you feel differently in that scenario than if you woke up tomorrow to the same scenario but the Grand Felchard had not made these comments today?

I'll show my hand: I'd feel less angst given what he said today, because I believe that Israel has a right not to gamble that he's "really saying" that he wants to Picasso their landscape.

308 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:53:24pm

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure you have seen my #280.
The current Iranian mullahcracy and Ahmadinejad do not think like us.
And BTW, Iran believes it would survive a nuclear attack while Israel would not.
That is the bottom line.

309 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:56:10pm

I'm working on a reply to Dennis Prager's "open letter," probably putting more time into it than it's worth.

310 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 1:58:43pm

re: #299 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that's overly simplistic, and should not be taken as an article of faith that should override real history, politics, ethnic issues, etc.

I believe they mean what they say and are every bit as crazy as they look and sound.
Call it simplistic, crazy, whatever...your denial is certainly not uncommon or unknown to me.
I hope I am wrong.
Done.

311 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:03:23pm

re: #309 Charles

Go for it. As you well know, we can manufacture our own shenanigans while you work. Looking forward to the piece.

312 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:08:08pm

re: #299 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that's overly simplistic, and should not be taken as an article of faith that should override real history, politics, ethnic issues, etc.

When a crazy person tells me he's crazy, I tend to beleive them!

Are the mullahs and ShortShit looking for MAD? I think it depends on what level of destruction they beleive they could cause! The elimination of the Israeli state? I think they would go for it! Lets not forget, if/when they get a Nuke, I'm sure just like the USA, Israel and any other nuke power, they will have places where the heirarchy will be safely hidden from the destruction, at least for the short term

313 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:08:44pm

I Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant one!

Hey all!

314 BenghaziHoops  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:09:13pm

re: #313 ggt

I Whaaant one!

Hey all!

Hey you!

315 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:10:05pm

re: #314 HoosierHoops

Hey you!

And you

So ,, fess up ,, how many hairs turned grey during the 1st half of Sundays game ~!?!?!?!

316 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:10:07pm

re: #309 Charles

I'm working on a reply to Dennis Prager's "open letter," probably putting more time into it than it's worth.

Probably, it didn't exactly seem worthy of any deeply philosophical reply, wouldn't a big ole headline size F.U. work about as well?

/

317 Mark Winter  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:10:55pm

Apple has great products but why do they force me to download Quicktime to view their promos?

On Windows computers, Quicktime (bundled with iTunes) is cumbersome and I neither need nor want it. It has wreaked havoc on other PCs already.

318 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:12:05pm

re: #314 HoosierHoops

Hey you!

and you!

I don't think I'll be getting one anytime soon. I still can't get used to using my iPhone, so I don't see posting on LGF from a touch screen.

319 BenghaziHoops  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:13:26pm

re: #315 sattv4u2

And you

So ,, fess up ,, how many hairs turned grey during the 1st half of Sundays game ~!?!?!?!

Not a one.. The Colts are awesome in the 2nd half.. Gary Bracket says the defense gets faster....The Saints have not seen this kind of speed all year.
And they haven't faced Peyton Manning..
I'm dying my hair Monday Blue...SuperBowl!

320 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:14:11pm

re: #309 Charles

I'm working on a reply to Dennis Prager's "open letter," probably putting more time into it than it's worth.

When someone starts off with "liar, liar, pants on fire", it usually does tend to dictate a brief response.

321 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:14:31pm

Been listening to fiction podcasts a lot lately. There is some really good stuff out there. I love this technology.

322 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:14:39pm

Am I the only one who thinks this sounds like a feminine hygiene product? (Sorry if this ground has already been covered in the thread)

323 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:14:52pm

re: #273 Spare O'Lake

What you believe is based on a fundamentally flawed assumption about the Islamofascist terrorist regime in Tehran. You assume that these radical Islamist anti-Semites value life more than death for the greater glory of Allah.
Denial of the reality of the death cult of radical Islam is a privilege Israel cannot afford...and neither (for much longer) can the USA.

Uhh...whoa...

Ok, but why won't you tell us what you really think about them?

/

324 Manster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:15:03pm

God bless Apple. I have to use a PC at work and it's all I can do from putting my fist through it every night. I love my Mac and touch and it looks like the pad will constitute for a laptop in the near future.

325 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:15:52pm

re: #324 Manster

God bless Apple. I have to use a PC at work and it's all I can do from putting my fist through it every night. I love my Mac and touch and it looks like the pad will constitute for a laptop in the near future.

I am typing on my last PC, when this one dies, I'm going all Mac.

326 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:15:54pm

re: #309 Charles

I'm working on a reply to Dennis Prager's "open letter," probably putting more time into it than it's worth.

Yeah, he's just going to deny everything anyways. Anyone claims Buchanan "might" be an antisemite is pretty clearly in denial of obvious reality.

327 Ericus58  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:17:38pm

re: #325 ggt

I am typing on my last PC, when this one dies, I'm going all Mac.

"It's dead, Jim"

328 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:18:35pm

re: #317 Mark Winter

Apple has great products but why do they force me to download Quicktime to view their promos?

On Windows computers, Quicktime (bundled with iTunes) is cumbersome and I neither need nor want it. It has wreaked havoc on other PCs already.

Because you need Quicktime to view MP4's since WMP won't do it (unless you make some modifications) (or add VLC player).

Damn windows and their stupid useless DRM crap...sigh...

329 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:19:23pm

re: #325 ggt

I am typing on my last PC, when this one dies, I'm going all Mac.

Linux is almost usable by the masses now and has the advantage of running on $300 hardware. It's worth trying it out on old hardware before deciding if you want to commit to the mac pricetag.

330 BenghaziHoops  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:20:35pm

***___***___***___***
Surgeon General Warning
***___***___***___***
Playing drinking games during the SOTU and using 'I' as the drinking word
may result in Alcohol poisoning and a severe Hangover
****

331 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:20:55pm

Friend: Elizabeth Edwards separates from husband

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

I wonder who will get custody of the hair !?!?!

332 mommydoc  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:22:11pm

Late to the party, but back on topic: If it interfaces as well as the iphone does with MobileMe, they can keep it. Even the arrogant Apple "geniuses" can't fix the problem of calendar events disappearing and phones re-forwarding to disconnected numbers in another state when you go out of range, and Apple refuses to acknowledge the widespread problems with their $100 a year "service." Not to mention the tier 2 support supervisors who swear they're going to call you back and then go home to watch the game without following through.

iPad. Feminine hygiene product.
/snortle...

333 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:23:33pm

McCain's Primary Challenger is a Birther

"Well, gosh, we all had to bring our birth certificate's to show we were who we said we were, and we were the age we said we were, to play football in youth sports," Hayworth responded matter of factly. "Shouldn't we know exactly that anyone who wants to run for public office is a natural born citizen of the United States, and is who they say they are?"

Matthews referred back to some of Hayworth's past statements. "I'm reading your letter that says the president should go back and get his birth certificate from the governor of Hawaii," said Matthews, who then added: "I'm just asking, do you stand by this letter?"

"Yeah, sure," Hayworth responded.

334 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:24:06pm

Have a great afternoon all!

335 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:24:31pm

re: #331 sattv4u2

Friend: Elizabeth Edwards separates from husband

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

I wonder who will get custody of the hair !?!?!

And does the other party have to pay "hair support?" I hear it's something like $300 a month.

336 Mark Winter  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:28:57pm

re: #328 ausador

Well how about an alternative version for Windows User who do not want to download programs they don't need for viewing a promo?

It's a PROMO. You think you might want as many people as posible to view it.

Quicktime/iTunes aggressively captures all file associations it can find, it has issues with Windows computers.

High quality Flash Videos do just as fine (see Vimeo)

337 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:32:51pm

re: #331 sattv4u2

Friend: Elizabeth Edwards separates from husband

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

I wonder who will get custody of the hair !?!?!

re: #335 Conservative Moonbat

And does the other party have to pay "hair support?" I hear it's something like $300 a month.

Let's see if this still works.

338 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:36:57pm

The hair killed the thread?

339 go_usa  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:37:03pm

Perfectly priced.

Though I dont know what will I do without keyboard. Do they really expect people to use office productivity apps that they are including without the keyboard and mouse ?

340 aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:37:25pm

re: #337 MandyManners

It does, and it's as glorious as the first time I saw it. Truly illustrious.

341 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:37:44pm

re: #335 Conservative Moonbat

And does the other party have to pay "hair support?" I hear it's something like $300 a month.

feh ,,, $300 a WEEK is just for shampoo

342 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:38:23pm

re: #340 aceofwhat?

It does, and it's as glorious as the first time I saw it. Truly illustrious.

Speaks volumes about the man.

343 pnw_pirate  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:38:44pm

re: #17 Soap_Man

I'll stick with PC, thank you very much. Macs are just too damn expensive.

This has been debunked repeatedly.

344 aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:38:51pm

re: #338 MandyManners

The hair killed the thread?

I'm disappointed. I thought i asked SFZ and WindUp a great question. I think this is like the five-minute rule...i'm right by default!

345 aceofwhat?  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:39:29pm

whoa, reply posted next door.

346 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:40:05pm

re: #342 MandyManners

Speaks volumes about the man.

I cut my own hair (and do a damn fine job of it) with a $45 set of Wahl clippers. What does that say about me?

347 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:40:57pm

re: #337 MandyManners

I saw a werewolf drinkin a pina colada at Trader Vic's

348 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:41:14pm

re: #344 aceofwhat?

I'm disappointed. I thought i asked SFZ and WindUp a great question. I think this is like the five-minute rule...i'm right by default!

FWIW, I agree with you assertion that radical Islam values death over life.

349 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:41:57pm

re: #346 Slumbering Behemoth

I cut my own hair (and do a damn fine job of it) with a $45 set of Wahl clippers. What does that say about me?

If you have both ears, it says you have a steady hand.

350 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:43:56pm

re: #347 Conservative Moonbat

I saw a werewolf drinkin a pina colada at Trader Vic's

His hair was perfect.

351 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:46:43pm

re: #349 MandyManners

If you have both ears, it says you have a steady hand.

I do, and I do. And let me tell you, my ears ain't exactly small, if you know what I mean.

352 MandyManners  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:48:02pm

re: #351 Slumbering Behemoth

I do, and I do. And let me tell you, my ears ain't exactly small, if you know what I mean.

You know what they say about men with big ears?

They need big earmuffs.

353 SixDegrees  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:49:08pm

re: #347 Conservative Moonbat

I saw a werewolf drinkin a pina colada at Trader Vic's

You know, I don't care much for the Grateful Dead, but a friend of mine was a huge Deadhead and dragged me to a concert when they were in Detroit many years ago. During their opening set, they did a cover of Werewolves of London, and it totally rocked the house. They were tight, gave it an upbeat tempo, and the crowd was roaring when they finished.

Then they went backstage for half an hour, came back, and couldn't all stay in the same key for the rest of the night, bleating out hour after hour of random, incoherent stoner ad-libs.

Too bad. Especially when those few short moments before the drugs took hold proved they could actually play really damn well, when they weren't lit up like Christmas trees.

354 cliffster  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:51:14pm

re: #353 SixDegrees

Cool. And RIP Zevon.

355 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:54:23pm

re: #352 MandyManners

You know what they say about men with big ears?

They need big earmuffs.

I see that you know precisely what I mean. ;)

356 harry91  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:11:01pm

re: #218 simoom

They won't. No Flash makes me sad.

No cash from me.

357 acwgusa  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:29:46pm

I'm a sucker for Apple products. 64G bought first day. I don't need 3g.

358 mommydoc  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:44:37pm

re: #336 Mark Winter

It's because Apple always has to be "special." Has to rename icons and make them look different from Windows. For a painfully long time, went out of its way to be incompatible with the vast majority of hardware on the market, all the while bellyaching about Microsoft bundling a free browser which could be easily substituted.

Reminds me of that certain kid on high school. You know who I mean. Everything always had to be her way. She was so much more special than the rest of us.

Does not play well with others.

359 Right Brain  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:51:32pm

Two immediate uses I see for this gadget will be both aviation and marine uses. For those who fly typically planes are rented, here is a screen larger than any in the plane that will provide navigation with a real time map, and or sat. image, approach plates, and standard takeoff procedures. There are hundreds of these things and this unit could hold them all. The cost of an in-dash unit is in the five figure range and here is one that you can carry with you and update daily if need be.

Ditto for sailing, sail boats are also routinely rented and not equipped with GPS especially GPS with depth charts, again this unit could hold the entire international data-base and interface with its GPS. No more parking in the sand as the Brits say.

Didn't even think to mention cars, but I drive a Prius with in-dash GPS and I use the Iphone when the Prius cannot find an address. The Iphone is routinely more accurate inasmuch as the Ipad uses the same software I can see that an automobile's GPS will give way to the portable ipad.

360 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:53:29pm

re: #276 WindUpBird

re: #276 WindUpBird

This is irrelevant, and I'd really like it if you'd focus on what I am *actually* saying.

Do you believe the entire regime of Iran, the entire power base...are as suicidal as a suicide bomber?

Is that really logical to you?

I do not believe the entire regime is suicidal. I also believe the entire regime need not be insane, just a critical few. I also believe that those who threaten bear careful watching and preparation. They already attack Israel regularly, via indirect means. Going direct is not such a huge leap.

361 Fenris  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 3:58:21pm

Working on a parody cartoon right now. Then I'm sending it to the Houston Chronicle for consideration.

I've already done two Apple-related cartoons for newspapers, so this'll be perfect for completing the series.

362 harlequinade  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 4:16:10pm

I'm a little shocked, actually. I'm a mac fan boy. Never had a PC in the hosue.
I've never had an iPhone - because I'd used european smartphones and the specs just don't compare.

But this...no multitasking - so no music while you work. No chat while you e-mail. No twitter while you...well, while you do anything else. Hell - my smart phone does that!

No flash - so no streaming video

No camera !

Where are you meant to use it? At home? That's why my laptop is for.
When I travel? Well, it doesn't fit in my pocket so..that's what my laptop - or netbook....or Smartphone... is for.

I'm...absolutely disappointed :(

363 Jaerik  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:10:37pm

To anyone who isn't already a fan of Apple products, or who argues against owning an iPhone, this isn't going to change their minds. So there isn't much point in arguing.

However, for anyone who loves their iPhone and wants a larger version with some additional functionality, but wants it short of a laptop or netbook in complexity, it's a dream come true. Especially at that price.

Apple has a history of introducing products, from the iPod to the iPhone, that do not appear to match up in feature or price comparisons to begin with. But years later, they are universally hailed as changing entire industries and spawning legions of clones.

Time will tell if they manage a repeat with their tablet.

364 efuseakay  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 5:19:04pm

No multi-tasking = no dream come true.

365 Mark Winter  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:26:56pm

No flash movies, no pr0n
hmmmm

366 UncleSam  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 6:33:18pm

I notice it doesn't have a card reader, so I won't be buying one.
I take a lot of photographs, and need a small computer like a netbook, with a card reader.
Am considering a Acer Aspire netbook, which has a nice card reader built in.

367 RealismRox  Wed, Jan 27, 2010 7:20:11pm

re: #366 UncleSam

I notice it doesn't have a card reader, so I won't be buying one.
I take a lot of photographs, and need a small computer like a netbook, with a card reader.
Am considering a Acer Aspire netbook, which has a nice card reader built in.

There is going to be an accessory to connect cameras to the iPad. It should be built-in but Apple is stubborn about leaving out odd details like this that seems so obvious. I think it's the idea that you buy a 16GB model and then you can't expand it without buying a higher model.

368 nines09  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:06:35am

MadTV had it way back.HOOT

369 nines09  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:08:22am

Try again
Mad TV on the Ipad.MAD I tell ya

370 Fenris  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:20:52pm

My system died on me, but I got the iPad cartoon done, nonetheless.

371 mommydoc  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:34:44pm

re: #366 UncleSam

I've been thrilled with my impulse purchase of an $80 (!) Acer netbook in August. Costco has some amazing deals at the kiosk. And it has 2 card readers, 3 USB ports, 3G, wifi and bluetooth, so I can listen to music with wireless headphones. It has taken over as my main computer from my already ultralight ultrathin Toshiba.

I never cease to be amazed at how Apple puts out products that are missing basic features that have been available for years (ie: voice command through the bluetooth, which I've had with Motorola since 2004 but wasn't available until September 2009 on the iPhone.) And the arrogantly gullible MacDrones rush to be ripped off.

I like my iPhone, but I'm very glad I waited until the 3GS came out and the operating system was upgraded. If I bought one when they first came out, I'd be pissed off (remember 3rd party apps turning it into a brick?)

372 mommydoc  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:37:32pm

Then there's the incompatibility issue: It's been at least half an hour since I started converting a 90 second video clip saved in the standard MPEG format into a format the iphone can use and it's still not done. Ridiculous.

373 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:39:56pm

re: #346 Slumbering Behemoth

I cut my own hair (and do a damn fine job of it) with a $45 set of Wahl clippers. What does that say about me?

Slumbering Behemoth -

It Says:

1. You are Frugal - No problem there.

2. You have a Steady Hand - Me too, have a "Made in China" Remington Clipper.

I am NOT Quite as Frugal, get my Hair Cut Professionally once or Twice per year, using the Remington to keep stuff "neat" as it gets longer.

-S-


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