Image of the Day: Oliver the Koala

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It’s been a while since we checked in at The Internet Center for Intensive Analysis of Infant Animal Cuteness, ZooBorns, but their picture of a mama koala and her joey is impossible to resist.

Little Oliver the Koala was born back in April at the Riverbanks Zoo in South Carolina but, like other marsupials, spent his first months in mom’s pouch. The little joey is only now too large for mom “Lottie’s” pouch but still spends his days close by, usually clinging to her back or tucked under her stomach.

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826 comments
1 sngnsgt  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:13:52pm

Awww...

2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:14:27pm

Their breath smells fresh too!

3 darthstar  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:14:40pm

Now there's 40lbs of cute in a 10lb bag.

4 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:16:02pm

I want one...they move about just like me....very slowly

5 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:16:30pm

re: #4 albusteve

They're mean little bastards too.

Don't get mauled by a Koala, you'll never live it down >>

6 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:17:05pm

Johnny Carson was holding one on his show, when it peed all over him...poor little guy

7 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:18:08pm

re: #5 windsagio

They're mean little bastards too.

Don't get mauled by a Koala, you'll never live it down >>

I am too....ferocious in fact....I can out rassle any koala bear alive

8 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:18:28pm

Awww, look at this photo from the same site

[Link: www.zooborns.com...]

9 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:19:46pm

re: #8 Stanley Sea

Awww, look at this photo from the same site

[Link: www.zooborns.com...]

I want one of those too....in fact I want my own zoo...guys like Micheal Jackson didn't know how good they had it

10 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:20:29pm

re: #7 albusteve

I am too...ferocious in fact...I can out rassle any koala bear alive

You pile drive bears for fun, don't you?
:)

11 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:20:41pm

re: #8 Stanley Sea

young elephants look like Tapirs.


Just sayin'

12 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:20:46pm

re: #5 windsagio

They're mean little bastards too.

Don't get mauled by a Koala, you'll never live it down >>

re: #6 albusteve

Johnny Carson was holding one on his show, when it peed all over him...poor little guy

Always looking at the seamy side of life. Can't we seeing some fawning over the dear little koala family? Where is the love here?
/

13 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:21:13pm

re: #10 Varek Raith

maybe he can take care of the one that ate Obama last night >>

14 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:21:31pm

nairobisteve has a nice ring to itre: #10 Varek Raith

You pile drive bears for fun, don't you?
:)

and afterword I share my scotch with them....no blood, no foul

15 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:21:33pm

re: #12 Silvergirl

we're bad people :p


well I am, Steve loves animals, and you can't be bad then :p

16 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:23:13pm

re: #15 windsagio

we're bad people :p

well I am, Steve loves animals, and you can't be bad then :p

I really do...ever sit and watch the sea otters at Sea World?...awesome

17 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:23:15pm

Koalas like tennis...or at least they like Andy Roddick...

Youtube Video
18 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:23:33pm

re: #12 Silvergirl

anyhoo, its just a random memory. When yer in australia, they generally warn you to stay away from the koalas. "They look cute, but they're mean!"

19 srb1976  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:24:59pm

re: #16 albusteve

I really do...ever sit and watch the sea otters at Sea World?...awesome


My hometown zoo growing up was the Henry Doorly...the nicest zoo nobody's heard of = )
The used to have a great river otter display....fun to watch

20 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:26:11pm

re: #19 srb1976

My hometown zoo growing up was the Henry Doorly...the nicest zoo nobody's heard of = )
The used to have a great river otter display...fun to watch

You talking about Omaha? That is a world class zoo! I've been there and loved it.

21 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:26:38pm

When I was a kid living in NJ, The Popcorn Zoo had an elephant escape. We got a knock on the door warning us of her.
:D
She was returned, safe and sound.

22 srb1976  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:27:23pm

re: #20 Silvergirl

You talking about Omaha? That is a world class zoo! I've been there and loved it.

Yep...we used to go at least once a month in the summer....great way to keep in shape....over half of it is vertical I think = )
Took the Little Man last year....he loved the shark tunnel = )

23 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:27:23pm

re: #19 srb1976

My hometown zoo growing up was the Henry Doorly...the nicest zoo nobody's heard of = )
The used to have a great river otter display...fun to watch

I love zoos...the one here in ABQ is marginal, as opposed to say the Columbus or Minny Zoos...they are just terrific, obviously a great tribute to those towns

24 HelloDare  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:27:48pm

Obama orders Justice Department to consider other venues for the 9/11 terror trial

White House officials have told the Justice Department to consider other venues for the 9/11 terror trial that was to be held in lower Manhattan, the Daily News has learned.

The decision came after Mayor Bloomberg and other politicians across the state railed against President Obama's plan to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in Manhattan Federal Court.

Attorney General Eric Holder now has to think of other places where the trial could take place, officials said.

It was not immediately clear if the reassessment means the trial will definitely be moved out of the city.

25 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:28:08pm

Interesting. Paper saying no terror trials in NYC.

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

26 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:28:28pm

re: #20 Silvergirl

You talking about Omaha? That is a world class zoo! I've been there and loved it.

yup...seems like the very best zoos are in a bit smaller cities...the St Louis zoo is very nice

27 sagehen  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:28:58pm

re: #21 Varek Raith

When I was a kid living in NJ, The Popcorn Zoo had an elephant escape. We got a knock on the door warning us of her.

'Cause you wouldn't even notice her unless you were really paying attention....

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:29:03pm

A koala is sitting up a gumtree smoking a joint when a little lizard walks past, looks up and says: "Hey Koala, what are you doing?"

The koala says: "Smoking a joint. Come up and have some."

So the little lizard climbs up, sits next to the koala and they enjoy a large doobie.

After a while the little lizard says his mouth is dry and he is going to get a drink from the river.

But the little lizard is so stoned that he leans too far over and falls into the river.

A crocodile sees this, swims over to the little lizard and helps him to the side then asks the little lizard: "What's the matter with you?"

The little lizard explains to the crocodile that he was sitting smoking a joint with the koala in the tree, got too stoned and then fell into the river while taking a drink.

The crocodile says he has to see this, and walks into the rain forest, finds the tree where the koala is sitting, with yet another joint.

The crocodile looks up and says "Hey you!"

The koala looks down at him and says...

"Fuck! Dude? How much water did you drink?"

29 srb1976  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:29:16pm

re: #23 albusteve

I love zoos...the one here in ABQ is marginal, as opposed to say the Columbus or Minny Zoos...they are just terrific, obviously a great tribute to those towns

Yeah, since we've moved down here (alabama) there is not a lot in the way of good zoos....nice and well kept, but not very impressive....still take the kids a lot in the summer...they both love it!

30 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:29:34pm

I guess I am a softy. That is such a cute picture. What else can I say?

31 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:29:37pm

re: #26 albusteve

yup...seems like the very best zoos are in a bit smaller cities...the St Louis zoo is very nice

St. Louis Zoo is great and free. We love going there.

32 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:29:47pm

Curious chimp spots National Geographic remote camera.

I especially like the stick-poking. Like every kid I've ever known. "What's that?" "I dunno, get a stick and poke it!"

33 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:30:23pm

re: #24 HelloDare

Obama orders Justice Department to consider other venues for the 9/11 terror trial

White House officials have told the Justice Department to consider other venues for the 9/11 terror trial that was to be held in lower Manhattan, the Daily News has learned.

The decision came after Mayor Bloomberg and other politicians across the state railed against President Obama's plan to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in Manhattan Federal Court.

Attorney General Eric Holder now has to think of other places where the trial could take place, officials said.

It was not immediately clear if the reassessment means the trial will definitely be moved out of the city.

a huge blunder...moving them is picking up steam....BO and Holder would do well to keep them down at Gitmo...eat the crow and move on

34 Bear  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:31:51pm

My folks told that when I first saw a baby elephant, I wanted one. Ask where we would keep it I was supposed to have said at Grandma's yard.

Many decades later I still think baby elephants are real neat.

However the Koala just about takes the cake.

35 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:31:54pm

re: #27 sagehen

'Cause you wouldn't even notice her unless you were really paying attention...

Heh, she was just gingerly walking along the shores of Bamber Lake, which I lived across from.
:)

36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:32:47pm

re: #33 albusteve

They could have called me. I could have saved them a lot of aggravation and hits in poll numbers.

37 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:33:05pm

re: #32 negativ

Thats how Planet of the Apes started!

38 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:33:33pm

re: #29 srb1976

Yeah, since we've moved down here (alabama) there is not a lot in the way of good zoos...nice and well kept, but not very impressive...still take the kids a lot in the summer...they both love it!

the deep south is getting a bit out of the mainstream, travel wise...not a bunch of spectacular stuff, but I love it all across there....Mobile is a pretty cool place to visit

39 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:33:55pm

I knew a guy that worked at the zoo in animal husbandry...until they caught him at it..

40 generalsparky  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:34:53pm

re: #29 srb1976

Yeah, since we've moved down here (alabama) there is not a lot in the way of good zoos...nice and well kept, but not very impressive...still take the kids a lot in the summer...they both love it!

I was so excited when the Montgomery Zoo got elephants. It was such a big deal.

41 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:35:09pm

re: #34 Bear

My folks told that when I first saw a baby elephant, I wanted one. Ask where we would keep it I was supposed to have said at Grandma's yard.

Many decades later I still think baby elephants are real neat.

However the Koala just about takes the cake.

baby orangatangs (?) are priceless

42 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:35:26pm

Totally awesome zoo converted into park

I'm so going there next time I visit LA.

43 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:35:33pm

re: #33 albusteve

a huge blunder...moving them is picking up steam...BO and Holder would do well to keep them down at Gitmo...eat the crow and move on

Nah, just move them to DC if New Yorkers are going to be pussies about a terrorist trial.

44 srb1976  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:36:00pm

re: #38 albusteve

the deep south is getting a bit out of the mainstream, travel wise...not a bunch of spectacular stuff, but I love it all across there...Mobile is a pretty cool place to visit

Yeah, Mobile is nice, and outside of mobile...Orange Beach and the whole Flor-Bama area....better half esp. loved the USS Alabama museum...

45 Bear  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:36:45pm

re: #41 albusteve

Most baby animals are. Too bad they have to grow up.

46 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:36:50pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Nah, just move them to DC if New Yorkers are going to be pussies about a terrorist trial.

New Yorkers are pussies alright...wimps even, complete cowards

47 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:36:58pm

'Definitive' Anne Frank Diary Pulled From Virginia School Library After Parent Complaint

A parent complaint has prompted the Culpeper County school system to pull a version of Anne Frank's diary off library shelves.

The county's director of instruction Jim Allen says the book pulled is "The Diary of a Young Girl: The Definitive Edition."

Allen says the parent complained because the version contains sexual references. The school system will use an alternative version of the diary that does not contain such references.

"What we have asked is that this particular edition not be taught. I don't want to make a big deal out of this. So we listened to the parent and we pulled it," Allen told StarExponent.com...

48 HelloDare  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:37:05pm

re: #34 Bear

You'll probably like this website. [Link: cuteoverload.com...]

49 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:37:55pm

re: #46 albusteve

DC could handle the trial just fine without all the whining from fearful wingnuts.

50 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:37:59pm

"My apartment is infested with koala bears. It's the cutest infestation ever. Way better than cockroaches. When I turn on the light, a bunch of koala bears scatter, and I don't want them to! "Hey - hold on fellas! Let me hold one of you, and feed you a leaf." Koala bears are so cute, why do they have to be so far away from me? We need to ship a few over, so I can hold one, and pat it on its head."
-Mitch Hedberg

51 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:37:59pm

re: #47 Gus 802

Uh oh! Kids might hear something about sex!

52 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:38:12pm

re: #45 Bear

They're only cute so you won't kill em yoursefl.

53 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:38:21pm

re: #47 Gus 802

Sigh, I was born in Culpeper...
:/
Nice place, though.

54 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:38:32pm

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fell out of my chair LMAO! Extremely well done! RWC is laughing as hard as I am! Love it, love it, love it!!!

55 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:38:32pm

re: #45 Bear

Most baby animals are. Too bad they have to grow up.

orangatangs seems to be very inquisitive and impulsive...they love to entertain themselves, even the older ones...big fun to watch with a cardboard box or beachball or whatever

56 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:39:52pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

DC could handle the trial just fine without all the whining from fearful wingnuts.

I don't know about that...they should use the tribunal system at Gitmo...to me it's not about fear, it's about principle

57 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:39:53pm

re: #54 Dragon_Lady

Fell out of my chair LMAO! Extremely well done! RWC is laughing as hard as I am! Love it, love it, love it!!!

FBV takes payment in cakes.
;)

58 Bear  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:40:29pm

re: #48 HelloDare

Thanks. I will check it out later. Unfortunately my connection is dial up so it takes a long time to see anything that has pictures. A short, say 8 minute film,would take several hours - yes hours, to, load.

59 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:41:01pm

re: #55 albusteve

Down in Des Moines they have a great ape trust and house several bonobos which are supposed to be very human like...except they pretty much screw ALL the time...dirty farkin hippy monkeys!

60 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:41:02pm

re: #58 Bear

lord, I can't imagine running LGF on a dialup. You, sir, are a braver man than I

61 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:41:13pm

re: #50 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"My apartment is infested with koala bears. It's the cutest infestation ever. Way better than cockroaches. When I turn on the light, a bunch of koala bears scatter, and I don't want them to! "Hey - hold on fellas! Let me hold one of you, and feed you a leaf." Koala bears are so cute, why do they have to be so far away from me? We need to ship a few over, so I can hold one, and pat it on its head."
-Mitch Hedberg

FBV that's great! Upding for you too!

62 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:41:14pm

re: #44 srb1976

Yeah, Mobile is nice, and outside of mobile...Orange Beach and the whole Flor-Bama area...better half esp. loved the USS Alabama museum...

been there...I frequently post the Folra-Bama web page...in fact just a few days ago...one of the best saloons in America

63 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:41:22pm

re: #59 PT Barnum

bonobos are very very gay too. (really!)

64 srb1976  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:41:24pm

re: #55 albusteve

orangatangs seems to be very inquisitive and impulsive...they love to entertain themselves, even the older ones...big fun to watch with a cardboard box or beachball or whatever

Yeah 2 or 3 orangutans, a tire swing and beach ball...and hey, it's a party = )

When my brother was very small (4 or 5) he used to love to play "monkey see, monkey do" with the baby oragutans and chimps in the zoo nursery...too cute

65 Aye Pod  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:42:40pm

re: #7 albusteve

I am too...ferocious in fact...I can out rassle any koala bear alive

Those are big words, steve ;-)

66 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:42:40pm

re: #63 windsagio

I dunno about that..I think they figure it's all fun...

67 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:43:13pm

re: #46 albusteve

New Yorkers are pussies alright...wimps even, complete cowards

Hey those are my friend your insultin...thems fightin words!//

68 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:43:25pm

re: #51 windsagio

Uh oh! Kids might hear something about sex!

Right, because an 8th grader can look past that and focus on the important part of the story. Sheesh.

69 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:43:44pm

re: #66 PT Barnum

heh.


I read some really interesting stuff at one point about the primate studies on Bonobos. The way they use sex in their social structure is, well... very interesting.

70 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:44:07pm

re: #53 Varek Raith

Sigh, I was born in Culpeper...
:/
Nice place, though.

I don't know what the content of the book is but my guess is that it's a reactionary move on the part of the school administration.

Another article about this here:

[Link: www2.starexponent.com...]

Any pulled material, Allen said, is usually stored in the librarian’s office.

According to Amazon.com, “Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl,” tops the list of commonly banned children’s books in public schools nationwide.

The reason listed for banning this book is “for being too depressing for students.” Other books that made the Amazon list include “The Catcher in the Rye,” “Harry Potter,” “Of Mice and Men,” and “Harriet the Spy,” to name a few.

Archaic thinking at work.

71 Bear  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:44:35pm

re: #60 windsagio

One of the reasons why I seldom try to post anything. I think this is the most I have done at one time.

72 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:44:51pm

re: #46 albusteve

New Yorkers are pussies alright...wimps even, complete cowards

yo mama...

73 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:44:56pm

re: #56 albusteve

I don't know about that...they should use the tribunal system at Gitmo...to me it's not about fear, it's about principle


I would absolutely love it if the the pols could stop arguing about stupid stuff and start working on legislation that would give us a better and legal way to handle such prisoners in the future. An argument can reasonably be made against any trials or tribunals because they fit no currently defined definition. They have not been afforded the rights of criminals under arrest. They are not true POWs. But they have committed acts that make them too dangerous to just "catch and release." We need specific legislation to address this loophole, quick.

74 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:44:59pm

re: #59 PT Barnum

Down in Des Moines they have a great ape trust and house several bonobos which are supposed to be very human like...except they pretty much screw ALL the time...dirty farkin hippy monkeys!

cool...Columbus is renowned for it's gorilla thing...just an awsome experience to watch them...there is usually an attendant there that knows them all by name, and helps explain their behaviors...after awhile it's like a soap opera...who's fucking who, who's jealous...what the silver backs are thinking etc

75 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:45:01pm

re: #70 Gus 802

Huck Finn isn't topping the list anymore? I'm kinda sad.


Archaic thinking at work.

Perfectly said.

76 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:45:31pm

re: #69 windsagio

heh.

I read some really interesting stuff at one point about the primate studies on Bonobos. The way they use sex in their social structure is, well... very interesting.

I look at animal social behavior and wonder what would happen if people were more like that...

For example, can you imagine sniffing everybody else's butt to say hello?

77 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:45:32pm

re: #70 Gus 802

For crying out loud! We read Sadako and the Thousand Paper Cranes in 4th grade...
sigh..

78 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:45:40pm

re: #65 Jimmah

Those are big words, steve ;-)

well they're pretty small in the pictures

79 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:45:41pm

re: #42 windsagio

Totally awesome zoo converted into park

I'm so going there next time I visit LA.

Make sure you go in the afternoon, preferably around three or four... the little kids make it hard to see anything if you go with a crowd of them! Seriously!

80 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:46:03pm

re: #69 windsagio

NOVA has a great special about Bonobos. I hope humans are closer to them than to Chimpanzees. Though looking at human histroy I suspect we're more Chimp and Bonobo.

81 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:46:45pm

re: #77 Varek Raith

in a slightly different thing (since you make alot of anime references :p) did you ever see Grave of the Fireflies?

Thats a wrist-cutting experience if there ever was one.

82 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:47:09pm

re: #68 Aceofwhat?
What grade was the book in? I mean, I don't want y 4th grader grappling with that when it is totally unnescessary. But I think my High Schooler could have handled it just fine. Not like the sex in that book would even come close to anything he sees on DirecTV.

83 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:47:17pm

re: #58 Bear

Damn. Dial up sucks. Sorry man. It's like trying to drink the Atlantic with a sippy straw.

84 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:47:26pm

re: #76 PT Barnum

can you imagine if women used lesbian contact to work out their status, and used withholding sex to control the men? >>

85 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:48:18pm

re: #79 Dragon_Lady

Ooh you've been there? I've only ever read about it on AO.

86 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:48:24pm

re: #84 windsagio

can you imagine if women used lesbian contact to work out their status?

No but I'd like to watch...
j/k

87 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:48:25pm

re: #67 Dragon_Lady

Hey those are my friend your insultin...thems fightin words!//

in every war, every time...NY boys are fighting machines, real bad ass tough guys...like the deep southerners, they fight with alot of heart and conviction....give me a New Yorker anyday to fight with me, any place, any time

88 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:48:49pm

re: #84 windsagio

can you imagine if women used lesbian contact to work out their status, and used withholding sex to control the men? >>

....must resist...comment too...phew!
/:)

89 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:48:53pm

re: #84 windsagio

can you imagine if women used lesbian contact to work out their status, and used withholding sex to control the men? >>

/welcome to the upper west side my friend...

90 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:49:19pm

re: #82 Escaped Hillbilly

What grade was the book in? I mean, I don't want y 4th grader grappling with that when it is totally unnescessary. But I think my High Schooler could have handled it just fine. Not like the sex in that book would even come close to anything he sees on DirecTV.

This article says this book is typically used in the 8th grade.

91 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:49:20pm

re: #76 PT Barnum

What? You don't do that? Man, I need to reconsider my socialization skills!

92 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:49:36pm

re: various

Ok maybe we're more like Bonobos than I wanna admit >>

93 srb1976  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:49:46pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

...must resist...comment too...phew!
/:)

I actually typed one.....and then erased it....discretion being the better part of.....something = )

94 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:50:03pm

I love the LA Zoo, but the Long Beach Aquarium is really cool too! And you can take the Metro Blue line to it for only $1.25 each way, I also enjoyed the Monterey Bay Aquarium. That wall of glass is amazing!

95 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:50:12pm

re: #93 srb1976

COWARDS! ALL OF YOU!

96 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:50:12pm

re: #85 windsagio

Bookmarked that...cool!

97 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:50:45pm

re: #93 srb1976

I actually typed one...and then erased it...discretion being the better part of...something = )

Hahaha! Same here!
XD

98 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:50:54pm

re: #73 Escaped Hillbilly

I would absolutely love it if the the pols could stop arguing about stupid stuff and start working on legislation that would give us a better and legal way to handle such prisoners in the future. An argument can reasonably be made against any trials or tribunals because they fit no currently defined definition. They have not been afforded the rights of criminals under arrest. They are not true POWs. But they have committed acts that make them too dangerous to just "catch and release." We need specific legislation to address this loophole, quick.

Holder himself set up the tribunals...there is no problem with them, they are air tight legal...why did he want the KMS trial in NYC?...his explanation was a garbled bunch of bullshit....it's for show...it's some pathetic statement against Bush

99 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:51:00pm

re: #90 Gus 802
Figures. They're always banning what they don't understand.

100 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:51:29pm

re: #82 Escaped Hillbilly

What grade was the book in? I mean, I don't want y 4th grader grappling with that when it is totally unnescessary. But I think my High Schooler could have handled it just fine. Not like the sex in that book would even come close to anything he sees on DirecTV.

8th.

Example of questionable material:

In the b-version she eliminates the whole episode and she does the same with another passage of this entry, dealing with her developing body, her menstruation and her ‘terrible urge’ to feel her breasts at night in bed.

I'm not saying that the material is or isn't too much once they're in 8th grade. I'm saying that it's hard enough to get an 8th grader to take literature seriously...much less literature with heavy elements like this. You want them to learn, right?

where my schoolteachers at?

101 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:51:46pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

So what are you saying? I have no discretion?

You're right, but is that what you're saying?

102 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:52:03pm

re: #90 Gus 802

This article says this book is typically used in the 8th grade.

Why don't these articles list examples that caused the book to be pulled?
/or did I miss them?

103 Cheechako  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:52:29pm

Tried to post this in the previous thread but it took forever to figure out how to convert the photo from a Word Doc to jpeg format.

Best Tattoo Ever

104 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:52:56pm

re: #87 albusteve

Damn stright. My uncles were NYer's and were heroes in the European theater of the war. My uncle Pete also flew under every bridge in NYC except the Verazanno. A cool guy and a like father to me.

105 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:53:01pm

re: #102 Varek Raith

you're welcome!

106 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:53:01pm

re: #101 PT Barnum

So what are you saying? I have no discretion?

You're right, but is that what you're saying?

You, sir/madam are brave!
;)

107 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:53:25pm

re: #85 windsagio

Ooh you've been there? I've only ever read about it on AO.

Yeah it is pretty cool, be prepared to do a lot of walking and bring your own water because the money they get for a single drink will give a heart attack. You have to hide the bottle though, they won't let you in with it if they see it at the gate. Typically they want to sell you anything you consume and milk you for all they can get. But all in all is pretty and the animals are cool. :-)

108 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:53:48pm

re: #105 Aceofwhat?

you're welcome!

I missed something, didn't I?

109 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:53:49pm

re: #106 Varek Raith

I'm a guy

110 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:54:09pm

re: #100 Aceofwhat?

8th.

Example of questionable material:

In the b-version she eliminates the whole episode and she does the same with another passage of this entry, dealing with her developing body, her menstruation and her ‘terrible urge’ to feel her breasts at night in bed.

I'm not saying that the material is or isn't too much once they're in 8th grade. I'm saying that it's hard enough to get an 8th grader to take literature seriously...much less literature with heavy elements like this. You want them to learn, right?

where my schoolteachers at?

That's it? Sounds like it would be questionable in 1910 not 2010. By the 8th grade most of the students share similar changes. No way is that a "heavy element."

111 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:54:19pm

re: #109 PT Barnum

I'm a guy

Got it.
:)

112 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:55:46pm

top 10 challenged books of 2008

I suppose I should be happy that I haven't heard of most of 'em.

113 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:56:11pm

re: #107 Dragon_Lady

Yeah it is pretty cool, be prepared to do a lot of walking and bring your own water because the money they get for a single drink will give a heart attack. You have to hide the bottle though, they won't let you in with it if they see it at the gate. Typically they want to sell you anything you consume and milk you for all they can get. But all in all is pretty and the animals are cool. :-)

we still have public water fountains in NY as water is still considered a basic human right... but I hope they don't change that.

114 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:56:17pm

re: #111 Varek Raith

In fact I'm a MAN!

Youtube Video
115 Unakite  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:56:41pm

re: #56 albusteve

I don't know about that...they should use the tribunal system at Gitmo...to me it's not about fear, it's about principle

I agree, but it's also about the cost. It would cost NY millions in security, even if the feds threw some in. NY doesn't have a lot of "millions" to spare. Gitmo Tribunal is the way it should go.

116 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:57:05pm

re: #110 Gus 802

That's it? Sounds like it would be questionable in 1910 not 2010. By the 8th grade most of the students share similar changes. No way is that a "heavy element."

you want them to remember the story, or remember the parts in question? with 8th graders, it's one or the other.

did i say it was too much of itself? no. i said it was distracting from the literature.

117 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:57:21pm

re: #114 PT Barnum

In fact I'm a MAN!


[Video]


:D

Youtube Video
118 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:57:34pm

re: #98 albusteve
Just because Holder set them up, doesn't necessarily make them right. And the law is still fuzzy in this area. Soldiers aren't even briefed on the status of such persons because according to our Regs, they don't exist. How are we supposed to know how to treat them or the evidence collected. Yes the problem is being addressed with ad hoc decisions. But that is a no good way to run either a legal system, or an Army.

119 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:57:42pm

re: #98 albusteve

Holder himself set up the tribunals...there is no problem with them, they are air tight legal...why did he want the KMS trial in NYC?...his explanation was a garbled bunch of bullshit...it's for show...it's some pathetic statement against Bush

Now that I think of it; I don't believe Obama mentioned this rather significant issue at all last night.

I think this show trial is going to come back and bite him where it hurts.

120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:57:46pm

re: #109 PT Barnum

Hey? If you don't mind me asking, why did you make your nic PT Barnum?

I flippin' love him.

121 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:57:46pm

re: #113 brookly red

Yep. Love that about NY. Still some vestige of the public ideal left. Not much mind you, but at least some is still left. Corporatocracy hasn't completely taken over every square inch yet.

122 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:58:07pm

re: #114 PT Barnum

In fact I'm a MAN!


[Video]

and apparently a pervert

123 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:58:10pm

re: #85 windsagio

Ooh you've been there? I've only ever read about it on AO.

You want to know more here's a link to the zoos website.

124 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:58:43pm

re: #123 Dragon_Lady

beauty! Thanks :)

125 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:58:51pm

re: #100 Aceofwhat?

8th.

Example of questionable material:

In the b-version she eliminates the whole episode and she does the same with another passage of this entry, dealing with her developing body, her menstruation and her ‘terrible urge’ to feel her breasts at night in bed.

I'm not saying that the material is or isn't too much once they're in 8th grade. I'm saying that it's hard enough to get an 8th grader to take literature seriously...much less literature with heavy elements like this. You want them to learn, right?

where my schoolteachers at?

D'oheth! Sorry for missing this, Ace!
:)

126 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 5:59:23pm

re: #120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I thought about HL Mencken too, but Barnum always struck me as the quintessential smart ass, something I aspire to.

127 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:00:17pm

re: #126 PT Barnum

Mencken seems a little bit nasty for your vibe anyways, you're more the showman, less the asshole :P

128 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:00:34pm

re: #124 windsagio

Your welcome! BTW it's my first link. Guess I'm not a link virgin anymore!

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:01:44pm

re: #126 PT Barnum

The dude would look you straight in the eye and say, "I am going to find a way to get your money from you."...

Just so cool.

130 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:01:51pm

re: #115 Unakite

I agree, but it's also about the cost. It would cost NY millions in security, even if the feds threw some in. NY doesn't have a lot of "millions" to spare. Gitmo Tribunal is the way it should go.

excuse me but the same POs that attacked the WTC attacked the Pentagon...
BHO f'ed this up big time and yes Gitmo is the way to go.

131 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:01:53pm

re: #100 Aceofwhat?

Sounds like excellent learning material for a young teenager. They are grappeling with these same issues. Or are we supposed to pretend they don't have such urges? She's not rolling in the hay. I do think a parent should have the right to request alternate reading material is such cases if they feel their child isn't ready. But pulling the book so other 13 or 14 year old girls can't read it is over cautious. Just my opinion. I am not a teacher.

132 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:01:58pm

re: #119 Naso Tang

Now that I think of it; I don't believe Obama mentioned this rather significant issue at all last night.

I think this show trial is going to come back and bite him where it hurts.

I was waiting for and posted my question...I think this is a huge story

133 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:02:13pm

re: #127 windsagio

Well thank you! There are plenty of people around here that seem to enjoy being assholes as an online persona...I prefer wit.

134 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:02:38pm

re: #116 Aceofwhat?

you want them to remember the story, or remember the parts in question? with 8th graders, it's one or the other.

did i say it was too much of itself? no. i said it was distracting from the literature.

Puberty begins at 10 years for girls and age 12 for boys. 8th grade ages range from 13 to 14. In this modern society by the time they have reached that age they have already been "distracted" and busy distracting themselves on a daily basis. Particularly in this age of the internet. The book would be taken as a whole and it's they are better off reading this book then otherwise.

135 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:02:45pm

re: #131 Escaped Hillbilly

Sounds like excellent learning material for a young teenager. They are grappeling with these same issues. Or are we supposed to pretend they don't have such urges? She's not rolling in the hay. I do think a parent should have the right to request alternate reading material is such cases if they feel their child isn't ready. But pulling the book so other 13 or 14 year old girls can't read it is over cautious. Just my opinion. I am not a teacher.

a very fair difference of opinion. clearly stated. good stuff-

136 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:02:47pm

re: #133 PT Barnum

I prefer self-righteous outrage myself, it suits me :D

137 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:03:34pm

re: #118 Escaped Hillbilly

Just because Holder set them up, doesn't necessarily make them right. And the law is still fuzzy in this area. Soldiers aren't even briefed on the status of such persons because according to our Regs, they don't exist. How are we supposed to know how to treat them or the evidence collected. Yes the problem is being addressed with ad hoc decisions. But that is a no good way to run either a legal system, or an Army.

then Holder should be fired for wasting the taxpayers money if he can get that straight...he said he did

138 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:03:34pm

re: #136 windsagio

I prefer self-righteous outrage myself, it suits me :D

Snark. Snark all the way!
Wheeee!

139 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:03:43pm

re: #136 windsagio

AS my primary creative outlet is writing humorous verse, it's even better when I can present wit and outrage at the same time...

140 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:04:01pm

re: #136 windsagio

I prefer self-righteous outrage myself, it suits me :D

And stirring the turd, which you've kind of slacked off lately.

141 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:04:34pm

re: #133 PT Barnum

Well thank you! There are plenty of people around here that seem to enjoy being assholes as an online persona...I prefer wit.

too bad you don't have any....
jus kidding

142 Digital Display  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:05:26pm

re: #128 Dragon_Lady

Your welcome! BTW it's my first link. Guess I'm not a link virgin anymore!

I have never had a link here..Check it out...But I make links within my posts..They don't get credit in the Stats...
That's cool..I have never done a link in the spin offs...Someday I guess

143 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:05:34pm

re: #139 PT Barnum

its more work though.

Sometimes ya just wanna be lazy.

re: #140 Stanley Sea

there haven't been any really awful things to get me going. Its not like I go 'hmm, I'm gonna go pick a fight with [name redacted at Editors request] today'.

144 Unakite  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:05:45pm

re: #100 Aceofwhat?

8th.

Example of questionable material:

In the b-version she eliminates the whole episode and she does the same with another passage of this entry, dealing with her developing body, her menstruation and her ‘terrible urge’ to feel her breasts at night in bed.

I'm not saying that the material is or isn't too much once they're in 8th grade. I'm saying that it's hard enough to get an 8th grader to take literature seriously...much less literature with heavy elements like this. You want them to learn, right?

where my schoolteachers at?

You also want to get their attention! :)

Many eighth graders (decades ago) were also looking at magazines (PB?) with pictures that left very little to the imagination. I don't think anyone will be scarred for life for reading Anne Frank.

145 srb1976  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:05:46pm

re: #141 albusteve

too bad you don't have any...
jus kidding

The one I always liked to use goes "I thought you were a wit, but I was only half right" = )

146 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:05:52pm

Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo,
I do believe it,
I do believe it's true...

147 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:06:17pm

re: #146 Spare O'Lake

Paul Simon. :)

148 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:06:32pm

re: #68 Aceofwhat?

Right, because an 8th grader can look past that and focus on the important part of the story. Sheesh.

When I was in 8th grade I was programming in Pascal, navigating Compuserve and GEnie, taking practice SATs and getting good scores, and reading at a collegiate level. Maybe the diary wouldn't be suitable for every kid in school, but me and my peers, absolutely.

149 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:06:33pm

re: #113 brookly red

we still have public water fountains in NY as water is still considered a basic human right... but I hope they don't change that.

Yeah they have them at the zoo too, but I wouldn't drink from them if i were you. LA city water isn't the best around, and all those kids drinking from it? UGH! I'm a bit of a germophob, I get sick way to easily to chance catching something from a public fountain.

150 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:06:34pm

the WIT POLICE ARE HERE!....we mus get ouutov ere!....make it to de choppa!

151 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:07:01pm

re: #148 WindUpBird

braggart :p

152 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:07:09pm

re: #138 Varek Raith

SHarks!

153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:07:19pm

I'm about to take some Nyquil. Ever notice, in the commercials, you take it close to your bed... yep. Don't want to wake up in the kitchen floor tomorrow.

G'night knuckleheads.

154 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:07:29pm

re: #149 Dragon_Lady

Yeah they have them at the zoo too, but I wouldn't drink from them if i were you. LA city water isn't the best around, and all those kids drinking from it? UGH! I'm a bit of a germophob, I get sick way to easily to chance catching something from a public fountain.

perhaps a tad of vodka to kill those nasty germs?

155 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:07:33pm

re: #146 Spare O'Lake

Luv Simon and Garfunkel. Great song!

156 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:07:35pm

re: #116 Aceofwhat?

you want them to remember the story, or remember the parts in question? with 8th graders, it's one or the other.

did i say it was too much of itself? no. i said it was distracting from the literature.


Sorta like how the racial language in Mark Twain books distracts from the literature? Oh, wait, we were assigned those in jr. high school as well.

157 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:07:52pm

Simon and Garfunkel at the zoo...

Youtube Video
158 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:07:54pm

re: #148 WindUpBird

When I was in 8th grade I was programming in Pascal, navigating Compuserve and GEnie, taking practice SATs and getting good scores, and reading at a collegiate level. Maybe the diary wouldn't be suitable for every kid in school, but me and my peers, absolutely.

don't forget to remind about the all A's in college!

159 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:08:15pm

re: #158 albusteve

He went to art school. They don't believe in such things as 'grades' >>

160 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:08:17pm

Bunch Of Phonies Mourn J.D. Salinger

161 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:08:19pm

re: #154 brookly red

perhaps a tad of vodka to kill those nasty germs?

I'm germ free btw

162 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:08:25pm

re: #151 windsagio

braggart :p

I was also a B student who hated speaking in groups, and hid in front of my Atari ST all night. :D But my point stands, that smart 8th graders should not be punished because troglodyte parents and stupid kids can't handle critical thought.

163 Digital Display  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:08:46pm

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm about to take some Nyquil. Ever notice, in the commercials, you take it close to your bed... yep. Don't want to wake up in the kitchen floor tomorrow.

G'night knuckleheads.

Hope today finds you well!
FVB! coolest poster on LGF!

164 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:09:02pm

re: #161 albusteve

I'm germ free btw

how many days?

165 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:09:12pm

re: #162 WindUpBird

ya, I was just trying to beat others to the assholery.

166 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:09:14pm

re: #154 brookly red

Pure grain alcohol. That'll protect your precious bodily fluids.

167 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:09:21pm

re: #159 windsagio

He went to art school. They don't believe in such things as 'grades' >>


Bull shit they don't! I had a solid 3.1 average through art school. A couple of Cs and Ds in my 3d design classes because my craftsmanship with gluing together wood and cardstock sucked.

168 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:09:35pm

re: #132 albusteve
I suspect it will make the OJ Simpson prosecutorial team look good in comparison. Evidence is tainted, witnesses are themselves criminals or just unbelievable, years have passed... But they're going to do it no matter what we think.

169 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:09:43pm

re: #165 windsagio

ya, I was just trying to beat others to the assholery.

Bwahah, that's a good point!

170 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:09:53pm

re: #165 windsagio

too late..

171 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:10:13pm

re: #154 brookly red

perhaps a tad of vodka to kill those nasty germs?

Works for me but drinking in public here is a nasty fine... Maybe in one of those hidden water bottles, now that might work!

172 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:10:15pm

re: #164 brookly red

how many days?

hi, I'm albusteve...I've been germ free for a month now

173 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:10:30pm

re: #157 oaktree

Simon and Garfunkel at the zoo...


[Video]

I did hear something about them playing together again...

174 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:10:32pm

re: #156 WindUpBird

Sorta like how the racial language in Mark Twain books distracts from the literature? Oh, wait, we were assigned those in jr. high school as well.

how in the hell are those two things related?

175 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:10:43pm

re: #167 WindUpBird

Bull shit they don't! I had a solid 3.1 average through art school. A couple of Cs and Ds in my 3d design classes because my craftsmanship with gluing together wood and cardstock sucked.

I could never make it in any art class, I do things my way, and my way only.
:shrugs:
:D

176 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:10:48pm

re: #166 Irenicum

or at least pickle them for posterity.

177 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:11:01pm

re: #133 PT Barnum

Well thank you! There are plenty of people around here that seem to enjoy being assholes as an online persona...I prefer wit.

half or nit?
*very old comeback*

178 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:11:02pm

re: #166 Irenicum

Pure grain alcohol. That'll protect your precious bodily fluids.

You talkin moonshine?

179 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:11:05pm

re: #158 albusteve

don't forget to remind about the all A's in college!


I was in NO WAY an A student in college. In art school, it's all about blowing off the classes you have to, because every instructor wants so much shit out of you that you'd be on 6 day benders trying to get it all done. Plenty of Cs, plenty of Ds, and As and Bs when it was my core classes.

180 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:11:14pm

re: #174 Aceofwhat?

I always thought the interracial buggery in Huck Finn was distracting...

181 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:11:20pm

re: #172 albusteve

I'll bet that's not the first time you've said that...

182 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:11:47pm

re: #162 WindUpBird

I was also a B student who hated speaking in groups, and hid in front of my Atari ST all night. :D But my point stands, that smart 8th graders should not be punished because troglodyte parents and stupid kids can't handle critical thought.

critical thought? you mean the passages that she edited out herself?

183 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:11:53pm

re: #167 WindUpBird

Bull shit they don't! I had a solid 3.1 average through art school. A couple of Cs and Ds in my 3d design classes because my craftsmanship with gluing together wood and cardstock sucked.

you said the other night you got all As in college...is art school college?

184 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:11:55pm

re: #146 Spare O'Lake

We went on down to da Audubon zoo and dey all axed fo you.
They all axed fo yo.
Well they even enquired about ya.
We went on down to the Audubon zoo and they all axed fo you, da elephants axed, da tiger axed, and the monkies axed us too.

185 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:12:21pm

re: #182 Aceofwhat?

wait, what?

When'd she edit it? After she was dead? Was channeling involved?

186 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:12:36pm

re: #178 Dragon_Lady

As made from none other than Col. Jack D. Ripper.

187 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:13:02pm

re: #168 Escaped Hillbilly

I suspect it will make the OJ Simpson prosecutorial team look good in comparison. Evidence is tainted, witnesses are themselves criminals or just unbelievable, years have passed... But they're going to do it no matter what we think.

maybe not...congress has to appropriate the funds, and they are turning on BO

188 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:13:20pm

re: #185 windsagio

wait, what?

When'd she edit it? After she was dead? Was channeling involved?

i figured you and WUB were making this up as you went along.

here ya go.

189 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:13:25pm

re: #174 Aceofwhat?

how in the hell are those two things related?


You don't see any point of comparison between controversial concepts in Ann Frank that might perhaps inhibit learning if the students aren't mature enough (sex) and controversial concepts in mark Twain (black people being called the N-word)?

190 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:13:46pm

re: #186 Irenicum

As made from none other than Col. Jack D. Ripper.

General

191 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:13:47pm

re: #186 Irenicum

As made from none other than Col. Jack D. Ripper.

you forgot the rainwater!!

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:14:03pm

re: #27 sagehen

'Cause you wouldn't even notice her unless you were really paying attention...

Elephants are sneaky.

193 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:14:13pm

re: #181 PT Barnum

I'll bet that's not the first time you've said that...

I know germs are my problem...it's more than 12 steps for the weak

194 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:14:18pm

re: #188 Aceofwhat?

don't conflate me with WUB please :P

That is something I didn't know, so thanks for that part.

...

Why are you so worked up about this?

195 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:14:24pm

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm about to take some Nyquil. Ever notice, in the commercials, you take it close to your bed... yep. Don't want to wake up in the kitchen floor tomorrow.

G'night knuckleheads.

That stuffs nasssty! I'm weird, it don't knock me out, it keeps me up and wired all night! Sleep tight FBV!

196 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:14:25pm

It's appropriate to be talking about banned books with Salinger in the news today. He was forever on the list.

Did someone already mention Catcher in the Rye? I'm majorly multi-tasking and missing most of what's swirling around.

197 Unakite  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:14:39pm

re: #142 HoosierHoops

I have never had a link here..Check it out...But I make links within my posts..They don't get credit in the Stats...
That's cool..I have never done a link in the spin offs...Someday I guess

I've done links in posts, but I'm still learning. Don't know how to do a link in a spin off.

198 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:14:47pm

re: #102 Varek Raith

Why don't these articles list examples that caused the book to be pulled?
/or did I miss them?

Here's the complete version online:

“The Diary of a Young Girl: The Definitive Edition”

It has a search function so you can look up keywords.

199 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:14:48pm

re: #175 Varek Raith

I could never make it in any art class, I do things my way, and my way only.
:shrugs:
:D


Yeah, when they want still lifes and figure drawings out of you, you deliever them, or they fail you. I had a lady for a figure drawing teacher who was like R Lee Ermey. She'd lock the doors two minutes after the class started, and she wasn't messing around with student output. Work fast, work hard, and work well, or she'd be there behind you, like a specter.

200 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:14:55pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

Elephants are sneaky.

Thats cause their smart!

201 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:15:07pm

re: #196 Silvergirl

It's appropriate to be talking about banned books with Salinger in the news today. He was forever on the list.

Did someone already mention Catcher in the Rye? I'm majorly multi-tasking and missing most of what's swirling around.

no I said vodka not rye...

202 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:15:08pm

re: #187 albusteve

True, true. Ok, I'll try to be less pessimistic and wait and see.

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:15:12pm

re: #32 negativ

Curious chimp spots National Geographic remote camera.

I especially like the stick-poking. Like every kid I've ever known. "What's that?" "I dunno, get a stick and poke it!"

The default investigative technique of all the great apes.

204 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:15:32pm

re: #196 Silvergirl

Never read that. I guess I should now that it's written by a dead guy.

205 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:15:46pm

re: #199 WindUpBird

You have an IM assface.

(I figure that if its on here it'll get his attention :p)

206 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:15:53pm

re: #189 WindUpBird

You don't see any point of comparison between controversial concepts in Ann Frank that might perhaps inhibit learning if the students aren't mature enough (sex) and controversial concepts in mark Twain (black people being called the N-word)?

nope. one is a tough concept that 8th graders can handle. the other is a tough concept that 8th graders can handle but good luck getting them to focus on anything BUT that topic.

there are 8,456,324 better texts for dealing with sexual content than Anne Frank, at least in jr. high.

reasonable people can disagree. i'm not a troglodyte, especially if you don't have any clue about who edited this thing in the first place.

207 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:16:40pm

re: #182 Aceofwhat?

critical thought? you mean the passages that she edited out herself?

it's a definitive work. If it's valuable to teach the definitive work, it should be taught. Classes are full of lit assignments that address changes to the literature made by the author. hell, some classes teach works that were never even FINISHED by the author.

208 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:16:49pm

re: #206 Aceofwhat?

I repeat, don't put what I said in his mouth.

Its freakishly annoying.

-1

209 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:16:52pm

Be back later tonight

210 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:16:58pm

re: #201 brookly red

Nice wry comment. See you're still going against the grain.

211 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:17:20pm

re: #194 windsagio

don't conflate me with WUB please :P

That is something I didn't know, so thanks for that part.

...

Why are you so worked up about this?

The thought process behind this is neither troglodytic nor...what was the word you and Gus used...?

there are two reasonable sides to it.

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:17:30pm

re: #47 Gus 802

'Definitive' Anne Frank Diary Pulled From Virginia School Library After Parent Complaint

Because God know, if teenagers get the idea that even when you're hiding for your life from the Nazis, you're interested in sex when you're fifteen, something awful will happen.

I hate the idea of censoring Anne. What could she possibly have said that would be inappropriate for another child to read?

213 shai_au  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:17:50pm

With regards to the picture: awwwwww. I mean, I've seen enough koalas here to last me a lifetime, but awwwwww all the same.

Anyway, I'm bored and have been looking at some LGF comments threads from the past. Specifically, the Terri Schiavo stuff that was linked a couple of days ago.

There's quite a contrast, isn't there? Certainly a lot more religious quotes and whatnot. Although I guess that particular issue was highly charged with religion, so not necessarily every thread back then would have been like that. Still, though, the threads I've seen recently have been a lot more mellow.

Also, most of the usernames on that thread don't seem to be around anymore. Are there any people around that have been a member from '05? Or earlier? I'm just interested to know.

214 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:17:54pm

re: #195 Dragon_Lady

That stuffs nasssty! I'm weird, it don't knock me out, it keeps me up and wired all night! Sleep tight FBV!

Nyquil, Tylenol PM, Theraflu, etc. is always a gamble with me. Some time I take it and I sleep really well. Other times it knocks me out for a couple of hours, then I wake up and can't get back to sleep.

215 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:18:17pm

re: #200 Dragon_Lady

No they paint their toenails red and hide in strawberry patches...

216 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:18:18pm

re: #210 Irenicum

Nice wry comment. See you're still going against the grain.

a threefer!....drink!

217 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:18:20pm

re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist

Because God know, if teenagers get the idea that even when you're hiding for your life from the Nazis, you're interested in sex when you're fifteen, something awful will happen.

I hate the idea of censoring Anne. What could she possibly have said that would be inappropriate for another child to read?

I posted a link to the book which has a search feature:

Scribd Document
218 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:18:46pm

re: #196 Silvergirl

It's appropriate to be talking about banned books with Salinger in the news today. He was forever on the list.

Did someone already mention Catcher in the Rye? I'm majorly multi-tasking and missing most of what's swirling around.


I couldn't force myself to read that as a kid. As an adult, I don't regret it. On a lighter note, being an Army brat, we moved from school to school, some of which were better than others. As a result and completely by chance, I ended up reading the Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit 4 times. In my last (and it was supposed to be an honors class) I begged the teacher let me read anyting else. She assigned Watership Down thinking I would get too bored (its looong). Turned out to be a great book and the easiest A I ever got!

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:18:54pm

re: #55 albusteve

orangatangs seems to be very inquisitive and impulsive...they love to entertain themselves, even the older ones...big fun to watch with a cardboard box or beachball or whatever

I once read an article where a scientist who researched apes explained the difference between gorillas, chimpanzees and orangoutans by telling what happens if you give one a screwdriver.

220 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:19:31pm

The koala pic is tremendously endearing. It kind of takes my mind off the fact that we've been lied to. Again...

The anthrax attacks remain unsolved.

I'm tired of being lied to, but it never stops.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:19:38pm

re: #59 PT Barnum

Down in Des Moines they have a great ape trust and house several bonobos which are supposed to be very human like...except they pretty much screw ALL the time...dirty farkin hippy monkeys!

Bonobos defuse tense social situation by having orgies.

222 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:19:40pm

re: #208 windsagio

I repeat, don't put what I said in his mouth.

Its freakishly annoying.

-1

sorry. "archaic thinking" was you.

9_9

223 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:19:45pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist


do you have any idea what that was from? Sounds like a simply amazing read!

224 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:19:56pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

Elephants are sneaky.

I heard they are kindly but they're dumb.

BTW, what do you do if an elephant stands on your foot?

225 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:20:04pm

re: #198 Gus 802
Don't tell the 8th graders! You know which words they'll be looking up. LOL. Love the internet.

226 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:20:30pm

re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist

Because God know, if teenagers get the idea that even when you're hiding for your life from the Nazis, you're interested in sex when you're fifteen, something awful will happen.

I hate the idea of censoring Anne. What could she possibly have said that would be inappropriate for another child to read?

they were HER edits, right??

227 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:20:41pm

re: #222 Aceofwhat?

no its the editing thing. I'm the one who was wrong about the editing, he said nothing about it. Using it to discredit his point is wrong.

Use it to discredit me. ;)

228 Unakite  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:20:53pm

re: #148 WindUpBird

When I was in 8th grade I was programming in Pascal, navigating Compuserve and GEnie, taking practice SATs and getting good scores, and reading at a collegiate level. Maybe the diary wouldn't be suitable for every kid in school, but me and my peers, absolutely.

When I was in 8th grade, Pascal, Compuserve, and GEnie didn't exist. Glad to hear that you and your peers were were so intellectually and emotionally advanced that you could handle Anne Frank.

229 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:21:10pm

re: #225 Escaped Hillbilly

Don't tell the 8th graders! You know which words they'll be looking up. LOL. Love the internet.

They doomed! Yeah, it's so hard to find things in this day and age. This one book will mean the downfall of mankind. Right.

230 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:21:15pm

re: #206 Aceofwhat?

nope. one is a tough concept that 8th graders can handle. the other is a tough concept that 8th graders can handle but good luck getting them to focus on anything BUT that topic.

there are 8,456,324 better texts for dealing with sexual content than Anne Frank, at least in jr. high.

reasonable people can disagree. i'm not a troglodyte, especially if you don't have any clue about who edited this thing in the first place.

I take issue with your characterization of "8th graders" as a monolithic entity that all behave and learn exactly the same.

The issue is not the details of the work, the issue is, can an eigth grader handle a work with sexual content in it? Some can, come cannot. My accellerated classes in jr. high absolutely could. These were not sniggering little twits in these classes.

And I'll leave it to educators as to whether the work should or should not be taught, or whether it's better or worse than another text. My point is simply that some kids can handle it.

231 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:21:39pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

I once read an article where a scientist who researched apes explained the difference between gorillas, chimpanzees and orangoutans by telling what happens if you give one a screwdriver.

or a Bloody Mary!...whoa!...seriously I swear I've seen orangatangs performing for the visitors...it sure seemed like it, like they enjoyed the attention...kinda spooky in a way

232 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:21:54pm

re: #222 Aceofwhat?

sorry. "archaic thinking" was you.

9_9

No, it was me that said archaic thinking.

It is.

233 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:22:14pm

re: #68 Aceofwhat?

Right, because an 8th grader can look past that and focus on the important part of the story. Sheesh.

I doubt it's exactly Penthouse Letters material. And I think it is the important part of the story that these were real people, that you go on wanting a normal life even under awful circumstances.

And female teenage sexuality gets so heavily censored at the best of times...

234 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:22:21pm

re: #227 windsagio

right on. i hate it when people presume like that. in this case, though, being sure about you and 99% sure about him, i went for it. Pretty sure i'm right.

i like my crow with tabasco, so i'll eat it if i don't, but i'm pretty sure i'm right.

235 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:22:24pm

re: #224 Spare O'Lake

I heard they are kindly but they're dumb.

BTW, what do you do if an elephant stands on your foot?


You scream! :D

236 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:22:25pm

re: #230 WindUpBird

I bet Beavis and Butthead couldn't handle it tho' >>

237 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:23:08pm

re: #232 Gus 802

No, it was me that said archaic thinking.

It is.

When someone quotes your post and says "definitely" or "absolutely", it's them too.

not a big deal. (not rocket science either tho)

238 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:23:23pm

re: #230 WindUpBird

And I'll leave it to educators as to whether the work should or should not be taught, or whether it's better or worse than another text. My point is simply that some kids can handle it.

well maybe you should consider the parents too...

239 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:23:25pm

re: #220 really grumpy big dog johnson

The koala pic is tremendously endearing. It kind of takes my mind off the fact that we've been lied to. Again...

The anthrax attacks remain unsolved.

I'm tired of being lied to, but it never stops.

either get used to it or withdraw, which has been the option I've taken....I may not vote again on the national level...it's up to them, whoever they are

240 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:24:47pm

re: #235 WindUpBird

You scream! :D

You call a toe truck.

241 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:24:53pm

re: #238 brookly red

And I'll leave it to educators as to whether the work should or should not be taught, or whether it's better or worse than another text. My point is simply that some kids can handle it.

well maybe you should consider the parents too...

they don't count...legally in fact, in many states

242 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:24:59pm

re: #238 brookly red

And I'll leave it to educators as to whether the work should or should not be taught, or whether it's better or worse than another text. My point is simply that some kids can handle it.

well maybe you should consider the parents too...

Sure, if the parents are rational on it. If they're like the ones who want Harry Potter banned for teaching witchcraft, no so much.
:shrugs:

243 Digital Display  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:25:06pm

re: #171 Dragon_Lady

Works for me but drinking in public here is a nasty fine... Maybe in one of those hidden water bottles, now that might work!

In Napa Valley..There is alot of drinking...I mean where else can you drive up and down 29 and drink for free at Wineries? I mean..Do you know how much drinking goes on in Napa Valley on a Weekend?
Yet..After College I was hanging in a park drinking ONE BEER with a buddy and got a fine for drinking in public...Are you fucking kidding me? I'm a quarter block away from the Farmers Market on third street and you busting me? Yes Sir..75 bucks..Fuck..Getting caught drinking in Napa Valley...On a warm day chatting with a good buddy.. and 2 undercover officers busted us..
75 dollar fine..My only ticket..Except the Goat's rock story..
But For God's Sake... This isn't fair!
*It's the law*
** With out drinking in Napa nobody would have a job!**
WE pay your taxes!
**Sir..Do we have a problem?**
75 bucks? No problem....

244 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:25:09pm

re: #237 Aceofwhat?

When someone quotes your post and says "definitely" or "absolutely", it's them too.

not a big deal. (not rocket science either tho)

I don't know what's going on then in that regard.

245 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:25:18pm

re: #213 shai_au

With regards to the picture: awww. I mean, I've seen enough koalas here to last me a lifetime, but awww all the same.

Anyway, I'm bored and have been looking at some LGF comments threads from the past. Specifically, the Terri Schiavo stuff that was linked a couple of days ago.

There's quite a contrast, isn't there? Certainly a lot more religious quotes and whatnot. Although I guess that particular issue was highly charged with religion, so not necessarily every thread back then would have been like that. Still, though, the threads I've seen recently have been a lot more mellow.

Also, most of the usernames on that thread don't seem to be around anymore. Are there any people around that have been a member from '05? Or earlier? I'm just interested to know.

I'm a member since '04, but I've posted since around 9/11/2001, actually in the first few days thereafter. Believe it or not, there was no registration in those days. It was a while after registration opened up before I actually signed up. My current name isn't my original one. It was changed to the current version because of some very frightening death threats that Charles was receiving. I'm sure that he would remember the incident.

I'm not sure where my posts earlier than 2004 have gone. I know I posted then, but maybe they were lost, or I was using some name I no longer remember...

I considered myself to be a moderate Republican once, but that party left me. I don't know what I am know, but I know I'm not that. And please refrain from using the word "whig". I'm not them, either.

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:25:21pm

re: #80 Irenicum

NOVA has a great special about Bonobos. I hope humans are closer to them than to Chimpanzees. Though looking at human histroy I suspect we're more Chimp and Bonobo.

Bonobos use sex for social structuring, we and the chimps use violence.

I think the bonobos could be on to something.

I also believe that chimpanzees are thought to be our closest kin of the surviving ape species.

247 Unakite  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:25:37pm

re: #167 WindUpBird

Bull shit they don't! I had a solid 3.1 average through art school. A couple of Cs and Ds in my 3d design classes because my craftsmanship with gluing together wood and cardstock sucked.

My son in the 7th grade is good at gluing together wood and card stock. Maybe he's smart too.

248 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:26:01pm

re: #228 Unakite

When I was in 8th grade, Pascal, Compuserve, and GEnie didn't exist. Glad to hear that you and your peers were were so intellectually and emotionally advanced that you could handle Anne Frank.


it's called having a well funded public school system and parents who took a very active role in my learning.

And why the slam on old computer networks? it was just an example of how I was a smart kid who enjoyed learning. In your day, the equivalent could have been attending art galleries or historical societies (since that's what i went on GEnie for, to download Atari utilities and discuss art on their forums) My point was I was using myself as an example of someone who was not going to just giggle like a dipshit at the content. And how an accelerated class of students could be punished by the notion that all students are of equal maturity and cognitive level. Which is so not the case it's amazing.

249 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:26:25pm

re: #245 really grumpy big dog johnson

This must be the place.

Youtube Video
250 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:27:00pm

Speaking of the Diary Of Anne Frank, I played Mrs. Van Daan in our 8th grade play.
SFZ~referencing something you posted awhile ago. Anne Frank didn't make me cry, but I did cry for several days for the 1972 Israeli Olympiads. My grandpa kept telling me they would be rescued....

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:27:15pm

re: #100 Aceofwhat?

8th.

Example of questionable material:

In the b-version she eliminates the whole episode and she does the same with another passage of this entry, dealing with her developing body, her menstruation and her ‘terrible urge’ to feel her breasts at night in bed.

I'm not saying that the material is or isn't too much once they're in 8th grade. I'm saying that it's hard enough to get an 8th grader to take literature seriously...much less literature with heavy elements like this. You want them to learn, right?

where my schoolteachers at?

Right here. I think it would be damn near revolutionary if girls were told that touching yourself is a normal desire. ;)

252 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:27:16pm

re: #238 brookly red

And I'll leave it to educators as to whether the work should or should not be taught, or whether it's better or worse than another text. My point is simply that some kids can handle it.

well maybe you should consider the parents too...

One parent should NOT have veto power over cirriculum. Pull their kid out? Fine, whatever. But they shouldnt be able to tell *my* child what they can and cannot learn in class.

/My child is an invisible child called 10 Hours of Sleep a Night

253 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:27:25pm

re: #248 WindUpBird

or that we assume all kids will automatically be 'giggling dipshits' and none of them will get the point of something like The Diary of Anne Frank because theres some minorly sexually charged passages in it.

254 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:27:32pm

re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist

I doubt it's exactly Penthouse Letters material. And I think it is the important part of the story that these were real people, that you go on wanting a normal life even under awful circumstances.

And female teenage sexuality gets so heavily censored at the best of times...

quite reasonable. apparently having a different opinion is archaic or troglodytic, although apparently the archaic one is the only one who understood how the book had been edited.

there was an a, b, and c version.

one edited by Anne, one by her Father, and one unedited. the one edited by Anne gets at the heart of the story (Nazis, anyone?? is this thing on?) without the more personal elements.

There is nothing archaic about saying that the most important content can be obscured in the immature mind by the content that the author edited out themselves. As everyone has said, it's not as if they need to hear it from Anne Frank to figure it out...they've figured it out already...

255 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:28:06pm

re: #241 albusteve

they don't count...legally in fact, in many states

yeah I know... I just hate the NY example where the teachers tell the kids to demand higher grades for less homework & a shorter school day...

256 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:28:17pm

re: #240 Spare O'Lake

You call a toe truck.

Ouch! Pun induced pain!

257 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:28:22pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

Right here. I think it would be damn near revolutionary if girls were told that touching yourself is a normal desire. ;)


DON'T LET THEM KNOW THAT! IT'S AGAINST THE SOMETHING OR OTHER

258 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:29:08pm

re: #243 HoosierHoops

In Napa Valley..There is alot of drinking...I mean where else can you drive up and down 29 and drink for free at Wineries? I mean..Do you know how much drinking goes on in Napa Valley on a Weekend?
Yet..After College I was hanging in a park drinking ONE BEER with a buddy and got a fine for drinking in public...Are you fucking kidding me? I'm a quarter block away from the Farmers Market on third street and you busting me? Yes Sir..75 bucks..Fuck..Getting caught drinking in Napa Valley...On a warm day chatting with a good buddy.. and 2 undercover officers busted us..
75 dollar fine..My only ticket..Except the Goat's rock story..
But For God's Sake... This isn't fair!
*It's the law*
** With out drinking in Napa nobody would have a job!**
WE pay your taxes!
**Sir..Do we have a problem?**
75 bucks? No problem...

I was in NOLA for a week...came back home and a coupla weeks later was in Chicago...walked out of the Congress Hotel onto State Street with a can of beer and a cop immediately asked me wtf was I doing?...I tossed it in a trash can and that was it...I got my cities mixed up

259 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:29:09pm

re: #250 prairiefire

I have never actually read the diary, but I think I saw a movie version when I was a kid.

I'm surprised we didn't read it in Hebrew school.

260 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:29:13pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

thats what bugs me, it just smacks of people being afraid of teen sexuality.

261 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:29:18pm

re: #257 WindUpBird

DON'T LET THEM KNOW THAT! IT'S AGAINST THE SOMETHING OR OTHER

More against they other than the something.
:)

262 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:29:31pm

re: #253 windsagio

or that we assume all kids will automatically be 'giggling dipshits' and none of them will get the point of something like The Diary of Anne Frank because theres some minorly sexually charged passages in it.


I hate this notion that kids are assumed to be unable to handle this stuff. Pkenty can, if they're brought up well and in good classes.

263 Unakite  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:29:56pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

I once read an article where a scientist who researched apes explained the difference between gorillas, chimpanzees and orangoutans by telling what happens if you give one a screwdriver.

I didn't see the article or have any idea what happens, but the visuals that popped into my head were hilarious (sorry, you had to be there). :-)

264 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:29:56pm

re: #245 really grumpy big dog johnson

I like seeing you post, again.
I remember liking your nic, when I first started reading LGF.
It's cool to have some of the "old timers" around.

265 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:30:17pm

re: #261 Varek Raith

More against they other than the something.
:)


Sigh, PINMF.

266 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:30:25pm

re: #245 really grumpy big dog johnson

hang in and don't stop posting amigo...things have changed for sure

267 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:30:34pm

re: #241 albusteve

they don't count...legally in fact, in many states

You can always homeschool!

268 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:30:53pm

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep, we are more closely related to chimp. Damn!

269 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:31:08pm

re: #266 albusteve

*cough*forthebetter*cough*


/sorry I couldn't resist :p

270 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:32:05pm

re: #243 HoosierHoops

In Napa Valley..There is alot of drinking...I mean where else can you drive up and down 29 and drink for free at Wineries? I mean..Do you know how much drinking goes on in Napa Valley on a Weekend?
Yet..After College I was hanging in a park drinking ONE BEER with a buddy and got a fine for drinking in public...Are you fucking kidding me? I'm a quarter block away from the Farmers Market on third street and you busting me? Yes Sir..75 bucks..Fuck..Getting caught drinking in Napa Valley...On a warm day chatting with a good buddy.. and 2 undercover officers busted us..
75 dollar fine..My only ticket..Except the Goat's rock story..
But For God's Sake... This isn't fair!
*It's the law*
** With out drinking in Napa nobody would have a job!**
WE pay your taxes!
**Sir..Do we have a problem?**
75 bucks? No problem...

Hoops - I always wondered about the drinking at the wineries and the driving on 29. Do the cops just look the other way? (to maintain the tourism) Because the majority of folks leaving each vineyard has imbibed.

271 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:32:54pm

re: #247 Unakite

My son in the 7th grade is good at gluing together wood and card stock. Maybe he's smart too.

Maybe he is! Does he make cool stuff?

272 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:32:54pm

re: #256 Floral Giraffe

Ouch! Pun induced pain!

No charge.
BTW, did you know that giraffes are insincere?

273 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:33:08pm

re: #267 WindUpBird

You can always homeschool!

CA certainly frown upon it and make it very difficult to home school...probably betting nobody takes them to the SC...it's folly...public ed is a huge money maker for the NEA...sorry, I'm very cynical

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:33:25pm

re: #112 windsagio

top 10 challenged books of 2008

I suppose I should be happy that I haven't heard of most of 'em.

These are the ones I know:

And Tango Makes Three is about a male-male penguin couple raising a chick. Based on a true story. If homosexual penguins freak you out, I suggest therapy.

His Dark Materials is a fantasy trilogy, which is widely believed to be anti-Christian. I believe it to be derivative and dull as dishwater.

Bless Me Ultima is a novel for high schoolers or adults, but certainly should not be banned. I wouldn't grab it away from a bright younger student, either.

The Kite Runner is taught at my school, to the sophomores. It's a good novel. There is a little bit of sex. It's an emotionally challenging book. Big deal.

275 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:34:00pm

re: #272 Spare O'Lake

No charge.
BTW, did you know that giraffes are insincere?

Giraffes are evil.

Youtube Video
276 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:34:16pm

re: #116 Aceofwhat?

you want them to remember the story, or remember the parts in question? with 8th graders, it's one or the other.

did i say it was too much of itself? no. i said it was distracting from the literature.

I think they can handle it. They may not even notice it, to be honest. What kids choose to be focused on can be really startling.

277 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:34:25pm

re: #269 windsagio

*cough*forthebetter*cough*

/sorry I couldn't resist :p

only from your perspective...others feel differently, not that my opinion counts...Charles rules the Roost

278 shai_au  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:34:45pm

re: #245 really grumpy big dog johnson

Don't worry. I don't even know what 'whig' means. Heh.

279 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:35:24pm

re: #275 Varek Raith

You're really sticking your neck out on that one.

280 Unakite  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:35:38pm

re: #243 HoosierHoops

In Napa Valley..There is alot of drinking...I mean where else can you drive up and down 29 and drink for free at Wineries? I mean..Do you know how much drinking goes on in Napa Valley on a Weekend?
Yet..After College I was hanging in a park drinking ONE BEER with a buddy and got a fine for drinking in public...Are you fucking kidding me? I'm a quarter block away from the Farmers Market on third street and you busting me? Yes Sir..75 bucks..Fuck..Getting caught drinking in Napa Valley...On a warm day chatting with a good buddy.. and 2 undercover officers busted us..
75 dollar fine..My only ticket..Except the Goat's rock story..
But For God's Sake... This isn't fair!
*It's the law*
** With out drinking in Napa nobody would have a job!**
WE pay your taxes!
**Sir..Do we have a problem?**
75 bucks? No problem...

Do what we do after softball, put it in a cup.

281 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:35:49pm

re: #277 albusteve

oh of course.

I was just havin' a bit of fun with ya >>

282 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:35:57pm

re: #279 Irenicum

You're really sticking your neck out on that one.

And my tongue! :P

283 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:36:15pm

re: #278 shai_au

Don't worry. I don't even know what 'whig' means. Heh.

you will soon I am sure...

284 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:36:18pm

re: #266 albusteve

hang in and don't stop posting amigo...things have changed for sure

Hi Steve!!

285 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:36:31pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

i respect your opinion on it-

286 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:36:31pm

Are you there God? It's me, Margaret.

287 really grumpy big dog johnson  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:36:34pm

re: #275 Varek Raith

Giraffes are evil.

[Video]

I can't keep them from peeping at me from over the fence. It's irritating as all get out.

(right, FG? :) )

288 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:36:52pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

Hoops - I always wondered about the drinking at the wineries and the driving on 29. Do the cops just look the other way? (to maintain the tourism) Because the majority of folks leaving each vineyard has imbibed.

They must do things differently in California. The wineries I have been to for, free, tasting would need to give you 20 samples to amount to one full glass.

289 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:37:08pm

re: #275 Varek Raith

There’s these animals in a restaurant. The waiter comes over at the end of the night …

The skunk says ‘Don’t look at me, I haven’t got a scent’

The duck says ‘Just put it on my bill’

The cow says ‘You’ll have to ask one of the udders’

The deer says ‘I had a buck last week and I’m expecting a little doe soon’

The giraffe says ‘Well, I guess the high balls are on me then’

290 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:38:09pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

I think they can handle it. They may not even notice it, to be honest. What kids choose to be focused on can be really startling.

And the schoolteacher weighs in! Thanks ^_^

291 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:38:26pm

re: #279 Irenicum

You're really sticking your neck out on that one.

That's a bit of a stretch.

292 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:38:41pm

re: #284 Stanley Sea

Hi Steve!!

howdy...'sup?

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:38:42pm

re: #185 windsagio

wait, what?

When'd she edit it? After she was dead? Was channeling involved?

She wanted to get the diary published after the war. She makes reference to editing and polishing it. But her father also took out sexual references, IIRC, as well as stuff about family conflict. Anne had a rocky relationship with her mother, and I think Otto Frank just couldn't deal with making that material public.

294 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:38:45pm

re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist

I think they can handle it. They may not even notice it, to be honest. What kids choose to be focused on can be really startling.

I find it odd that someone may think it's "distracting to the literature" considering the frequency of incest found in that very famous black bound book found in almost every motel room across the country.

A cursory review of the Frank book reveals that it doesn't touch upon sex, the verb, but sexuality and/or puberty which is separate from the act(s).

295 shai_au  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:38:49pm

re: #283 brookly red

you will soon I am sure...

/googles

Oh, ok. So it's like one of those third parties that nobody ever votes for?

296 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:38:57pm

re: #289 Mad Al-Jaffee

You forgot the three legged dog who walked into a bar and asked the bartender if he saw the man who shot my paw!

297 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:38:57pm

ok enough with the puns, I've reached my limit!

I'm goin' to the liquor store!

298 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:39:24pm

re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist

yeah, I got linked that earlier; thanks tho :)

299 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:39:35pm

re: #297 windsagio

Donchta mean punishment?

300 jaunte  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:40:10pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

Hoops - I always wondered about the drinking at the wineries and the driving on 29. Do the cops just look the other way? (to maintain the tourism) Because the majority of folks leaving each vineyard has imbibed.

Wine country DUI lawyer:

Be very careful while dining or wine tasting in Napa and Sonoma Counties. It is no joke that Napa's County motto is "arrive on vacation, leave on probation". [Link: www.blackdui.com...]
301 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:40:31pm

re: #294 Gus 802

I find it odd that someone may think it's "distracting to the literature" considering the frequency of incest found in that very famous black bound book found in almost every motel room across the country.

A cursory review of the Frank book reveals that it doesn't touch upon sex, the verb, but sexuality and/or puberty which is separate from the act(s).

Heh, I got the ban hammer dropped on me for bringing that up on a creationist forum.

302 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:40:33pm

re: #299 Irenicum

I hate you.

//


*ok closing the window now so I don't get sucked back in*

303 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:40:41pm

re: #296 Irenicum

You forgot the three legged dog who walked into a bar and asked the bartender if he saw the man who shot my paw!

A bear walks into a bar and sits down at a stool. The bartender asks if he can help him. The bear says "I'll have a beer........and a menu." The bartender asks him, "Why the long pause?"

304 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:40:55pm

re: #295 shai_au

/googles

Oh, ok. So it's like one of those third parties that nobody ever votes for?

well yes but I was poking fun at a poster who is not here now who liknks every thread to the modern whig party... he's cool you will see.

305 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:41:07pm

re: #295 shai_au

/googles

Oh, ok. So it's like one of those third parties that nobody ever votes for?

Ojoe is an Army of One

306 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:41:13pm

re: #292 albusteve

howdy...'sup?

All good.

307 sngnsgt  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:41:17pm

re: #297 windsagio

I haven't reached mine yet, see me when you get back from the liquor store!

308 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:41:30pm

re: #294 Gus 802

I find it odd that someone may think it's "distracting to the literature" considering the frequency of incest found in that very famous black bound book found in almost every motel room across the country.
blockquote>

The room service menu?

Seriously, it is amazing. The same people who dont blink about the content in the Bible being taught to kids attack far milder content being taught in secular settings.

309 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:41:43pm

re: #301 Varek Raith

Heh, I got the ban hammer dropped on me for bringing that up on a creationist forum.

Really? I thought it was a well accepted fact. I've got some quotes at the ready here.

310 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:42:15pm

re: #301 Varek Raith

Heh, I got the ban hammer dropped on me for bringing that up on a creationist forum.

Creationist forums must be a laff riot.

311 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:42:20pm

Q: What does Tarzan say when he sees a herd of elephants in the distance?
A: "Look, a herd of elephants in the distance"
Q: What does Tarzan say when he sees a herd of elephants with sunglasses?
A: Nothing. He doesn't recognize them.
Q: What does Tarzan say when he sees a herd of giraffes in the distance?
A: "Haha! You fooled me once with those disguises, but not this time!"

312 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:42:29pm

re: #300 jaunte

I've been verrrrry lucky (and stupid) but I was younger.

313 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:42:37pm

re: #309 Gus 802

Really? I thought it was a well accepted fact. I've got some quotes at the ready here.

It was, apparently, too uncomfortable a discussion for them to have.

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:42:48pm

re: #223 windsagio

do you have any idea what that was from? Sounds like a simply amazing read!

Sadly, I don't recall.

He said that a gorilla, given a screwdriver is first afraid of the new item, then tries eating it, then loses interest.

An orangoutan will have a blast with it, play with it, use it for all kinds of fun stuff, and then get bored.

A chimp will play with it briefly, 'lose it', and wait until you have left the room before beginning to dismantle the cage.

I obviously paraphrase, but it struck me as a great way to describe the three species.

315 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:42:52pm

re: #305 albusteve

Ojoe is an Army of One

company right face!

present alternatives!

316 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:43:12pm

re: #226 Aceofwhat?

they were HER edits, right??

Some of them.

317 Digital Display  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:43:26pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

Hoops - I always wondered about the drinking at the wineries and the driving on 29. Do the cops just look the other way? (to maintain the tourism) Because the majority of folks leaving each vineyard has imbibed.

It's Napa Valleys best kept secret.. You come here...You can pretty much drink for free...We will get you drunker than shit on wine all day long..Cheap!
/Iy will be the time of your life..The most fun...The most Romantic..The best adventure..The finest people..The coolest Bed &breakfasts..
Napa is Paradise..With free wine..What do you want?

318 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:43:33pm

re: #310 WindUpBird

Creationist forums must be a laff riot.

are you talking about the GOP web site?

319 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:43:34pm

re: #313 Varek Raith

It was, apparently, too uncomfortable a discussion for them to have.

Prime self-censorship at work there.

320 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:44:50pm

sup?

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:44:55pm

re: #242 Varek Raith

Sure, if the parents are rational on it. If they're like the ones who want Harry Potter banned for teaching witchcraft, no so much.
:shrugs:


I had one of my classes read articles on that at one point. They were baffled.

322 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:44:55pm

re: #310 WindUpBird

Creationist forums must be a laff riot.

Yeah, this was years ago when my militant atheist troll side was... on a roll!
XD

323 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:45:19pm

re: #243 HoosierHoops

At least you didn't get popped with a DUI! Now a days that'll cost You $12,000.00 + to just try and get out from under it. Count yourself lucky!

324 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:45:25pm

re: #294 Gus 802

I find it odd that someone may think it's "distracting to the literature" considering the frequency of incest found in that very famous black bound book found in almost every motel room across the country.

You're not thinking very hard about it. In one instance the subject matter is not really the point of the book. In the other instance, it is.

The point of the literature can't distract from itself. I find your analogy leaky.

It's ok that we disagree on this. But the analogy is still leaky.

325 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:45:44pm

re: #315 brookly red

company right face!

present alternatives!

he's determined and I like that

326 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:46:20pm

I'm sure we've all read Catcher in the Rye but has anyone else here read (or tried to?) any of Salinger's other works?

I tried to, back when I was 14 years old. Could not finish anything else he wrote. Deathly boring.

I also read Anthem when I was 14, and then tried to read other stuff by Ayn Rand which I could not finish for the same reason. Boring. As. Fuck.

327 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:46:28pm

G'nite kids. May be back later more lubricated.

328 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:46:50pm

re: #322 Varek Raith

Yeah, this was years ago when my militant atheist troll side was... on a roll!
XD

It would be fun to show up on a creationist forum as a REALLY ENTHUSIASTIC AND FRIENDLY CREATIONIST who gets all the details of the bible wrong, and then it slowly becomes apparent that you're conflating the Bible with the D&D Monster Manual.

329 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:46:53pm

re: #327 Irenicum

G'nite kids. May be back later more lubricated.

Robot?
/

330 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:46:56pm

re: #316 SanFranciscoZionist

Some of them.

Her father combined elements of her edited and unedited versions. IIRC, the edits in question were her edits.

331 Unakite  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:46:57pm

re: #248 WindUpBird

it's called having a well funded public school system and parents who took a very active role in my learning.

And why the slam on old computer networks? it was just an example of how I was a smart kid who enjoyed learning. In your day, the equivalent could have been attending art galleries or historical societies (since that's what i went on GEnie for, to download Atari utilities and discuss art on their forums) My point was I was using myself as an example of someone who was not going to just giggle like a dipshit at the content. And how an accelerated class of students could be punished by the notion that all students are of equal maturity and cognitive level. Which is so not the case it's amazing.

Point taken amicably. You obviously were ahead of the curve (I expect many here are), but it came across as a little condescending. In my opinion, most young kids are smarter than their peers think they are. I suspect that there were kids your age who could read Anne Frank and not "just giggle like a dipshit," even if they weren't quite on your level.

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:47:26pm

re: #250 prairiefire

Speaking of the Diary Of Anne Frank, I played Mrs. Van Daan in our 8th grade play.
SFZ~referencing something you posted awhile ago. Anne Frank didn't make me cry, but I did cry for several days for the 1972 Israeli Olympiads. My grandpa kept telling me they would be rescued...

Oh. {sad smile, hug}

I wasn't born until seventy-three, so of course I have no memory...

333 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:47:39pm

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

Sadly, I don't recall.

He said that a gorilla, given a screwdriver is first afraid of the new item, then tries eating it, then loses interest.

An orangoutan will have a blast with it, play with it, use it for all kinds of fun stuff, and then get bored.

A chimp will play with it briefly, 'lose it', and wait until you have left the room before beginning to dismantle the cage.

I obviously paraphrase, but it struck me as a great way to describe the three species.

You got that from Planet of the Apes.

334 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:47:44pm

re: #329 Varek Raith

Do you know any available misses robots?
///

335 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:47:53pm

re: #320 cliffster

sup?

Not the English language, apparently.
/like I'm one to talk

336 Unakite  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:47:53pm

re: #271 WindUpBird

Maybe he is! Does he make cool stuff?

Yes, but I help him. :)

337 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:48:02pm

re: #212 SanFranciscoZionist

Because God know, if teenagers get the idea that even when you're hiding for your life from the Nazis, you're interested in sex when you're fifteen, something awful will happen.

I hate the idea of censoring Anne. What could she possibly have said that would be inappropriate for another child to read?

Supposedly she had feelings for Peter, who was in hiding in the same apartment, but they never did the dirty (too many grownups around and no privacy). It's not like she was a lesbian and had feelings for Miep.

338 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:48:04pm

re: #311 Aceofwhat?

Q: What does Tarzan say when he sees a herd of elephants in the distance?
A: "Look, a herd of elephants in the distance"
Q: What does Tarzan say when he sees a herd of elephants with sunglasses?
A: Nothing. He doesn't recognize them.
Q: What does Tarzan say when he sees a herd of giraffes in the distance?
A: "Haha! You fooled me once with those disguises, but not this time!"

What were Tarzan's last words?
*
*
"Who greased the vine?"

339 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:48:05pm

re: #328 WindUpBird

It would be fun to show up on a creationist forum as a REALLY ENTHUSIASTIC AND FRIENDLY CREATIONIST who gets all the details of the bible wrong, and then it slowly becomes apparent that you're conflating the Bible with the D&D Monster Manual.

Hahaha! Damn, I so could've done that!
lol.

340 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:48:07pm

re: #326 Alouette

I'm sure we've all read Catcher in the Rye but has anyone else here read (or tried to?) any of Salinger's other works?

I tried to, back when I was 14 years old. Could not finish anything else he wrote. Deathly boring.

I also read Anthem when I was 14, and then tried to read other stuff by Ayn Rand which I could not finish for the same reason. Boring. As. Fuck.

I agree...Rand deserves kudos for intent but to read her is pure torture, not my thing

341 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:48:34pm

re: #324 Aceofwhat?

I don't know if it would distract ina particular instance or not. But that is not the reason the article cited for the book being yanked. It was pulled because one parent objected to the passages...you know, "I was offended." Modern catch phrase of choice.

342 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:49:08pm

re: #334 Irenicum

Do you know any available misses robots?
///

Yes.

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:49:12pm

re: #252 WindUpBird

One parent should NOT have veto power over cirriculum. Pull their kid out? Fine, whatever. But they shouldnt be able to tell *my* child what they can and cannot learn in class.

/My child is an invisible child called 10 Hours of Sleep a Night

Parents who are given the option often will pull their kid out. I used to have the middle school classroom where you hung out if your parents didn't want you in sex ed. There were a few. We watched a movie and did homework. It's when they want to tackle other people's kids that we start to have problems.

344 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:49:22pm

re: #324 Aceofwhat?

You're not thinking very hard about it. In one instance the subject matter is not really the point of the book. In the other instance, it is.

The point of the literature can't distract from itself. I find your analogy leaky.

It's ok that we disagree on this. But the analogy is still leaky.

Ah, I figured you might rationalize you're way out of that. You are wrong, sexuality and puberty is not the point of the book, "The Diary of a Young Girl: The Definitive Edition":

This startling new edition of Dutch Jewish teenager Anne Frank's classic diary?written in an Amsterdam warehouse, where for two years she hid from the Nazis with her family and friends?contains approximately 30% more material than the original 1947 edition. It completely revises our understanding of one of the most moving and eloquent documents of the Holocaust. The Anne we meet here is much more sarcastic, rebellious and vulnerable than the sensitive diarist beloved by millions. She rages at her mother, Edith, smolders with jealous resentment toward her sister, Margot, and unleashes acid comments at her roommates. Expanded entries provide a fuller picture of the tensions and quarrels among the eight people in hiding. Anne, who died in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp in March 1945, three months before her 16th birthday, candidly discusses her awakening sexuality in entries that were omitted from the 1947 edition by her father, Otto, the only one of the eight to survive the death camps. He died in 1980. This crisp, stunning translation provides an unvarnished picture of life in the "secret annex." In the end, Anne's teen angst pales beside her profound insights, her self-discovery and her unbroken faith in good triumphing over evil.

It is you that is focusing on the element of "her awakening sexuality" and your fear of how it might impact modern American teenages.

345 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:49:29pm

re: #331 Unakite

Point taken amicably. You obviously were ahead of the curve (I expect many here are), but it came across as a little condescending. In my opinion, most young kids are smarter than their peers think they are. I suspect that there were kids your age who could read Anne Frank and not "just giggle like a dipshit," even if they weren't quite on your level.

I didn't mean to be condescending, I meant to illustrate that i was a nerd, and nerds often handle material at a higher grade level, that's all. We're often not so great at the sports though ;-)

and yes, I was being funny, i suspect MOST kids in my high school, brains or not, could handle the material.

346 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:49:53pm

re: #342 Varek Raith

Bender has a smile!

347 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:49:57pm

re: #344 Gus 802

Teenages = teenagers. Woops.

348 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:50:02pm

re: #336 Unakite

Yes, but I help him. :)


nurture the creative side! Worked for me :D

349 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:50:11pm

re: #326 Alouette

Boring. As. Fuck.

I'm afraid to ask what you do for excitement, then. Very afraid.
/here all week, folks. tip your waitresses, and try the veal.

350 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:50:26pm

re: #326 Alouette
I already admitted never having read Catcher. It was deathly boring at a time when I was into Heinlein and Asimov and LeGuin. Plus the protagonist seemed really into the whole teenaged angst thing which has always annoyed me.

351 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:50:45pm

re: #326 Alouette

I'm sure we've all read Catcher in the Rye but has anyone else here read (or tried to?) any of Salinger's other works?

I've read and enjoyed all of his books. Nine Stories is a classic collection.

I still have never read any Ayn Rand, but I should give Atlas Shrugged a try one of these days.

I really like Peter Bagge's recent cartoon about Rand, especially the last panel.

[Link: reason.com...]

352 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:50:53pm

re: #257 WindUpBird

DON'T LET THEM KNOW THAT! IT'S AGAINST THE SOMETHING OR OTHER

I swear, if you listened to my sex ed classes, you'd think that women had no desire for sex whatsoever, but allowed it as part of 'loving' someone, or to gain social status.

353 Unakite  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:51:02pm

re: #262 WindUpBird

I hate this notion that kids are assumed to be unable to handle this stuff. Pkenty can, if they're brought up well and in good classes.

It took me longer and a lot more words, but That was the point I was trying to make (I think). It didn't come across to me that way in your earlier comment.

354 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:51:08pm

re: #350 Escaped Hillbilly

I already admitted never having read Catcher. It was deathly boring at a time when I was into Heinlein and Asimov and LeGuin. Plus the protagonist seemed really into the whole teenaged angst thing which has always annoyed me.


Catcher in the Rye has NO orbital drops! :D

355 Donna Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:51:15pm

See you all tomorrow, RWC's eager to get logged on. Keep laughing lizards!

356 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:51:53pm

re: #344 Gus 802

come on. I know it's not the point of the book. The bible verses are the point of the bible. It can't distract from itself. Whereas the passages in question are not the point of reading the Anne Frank book.

You read my post backwards. I'm straining not to read anything into it...

357 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:51:59pm

re: #351 Mad Al-Jaffee

Stopped by to say that Ayn Rand is one of the worst writers of the 20th century.

That is all.

358 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:52:01pm

re: #353 Unakite

It took me longer and a lot more words, but That was the point I was trying to make (I think). It didn't come across to me that way in your earlier comment.

My goofball schtick could have been obscuring my point ^_^;

359 jdog29  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:52:13pm

seems like my son read "Anthem" back in middle school.

360 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:52:14pm

Ah LeGuin. Now I know what I'm gonna watch.

361 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:53:00pm

re: #349 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm afraid to ask what you do for excitement, then. Very afraid.
/here all week, folks. tip your waitresses, and try the veal.

Have you never heard of figurative expressions?

Maybe I should have said, Boring. As. A. Reform. Temple. Sermon. In. 1962.

362 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:53:11pm

re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist

That's kind of depressing, actually.

363 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:53:22pm

re: #328 WindUpBird

It would be fun to show up on a creationist forum as a REALLY ENTHUSIASTIC AND FRIENDLY CREATIONIST who gets all the details of the bible wrong, and then it slowly becomes apparent that you're conflating the Bible with the D&D Monster Manual.

I think the givaway would be when you brought up the Colossal Red Dragon. ;)

364 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:53:29pm

Ayn Rand, Ayn Rand...isn't she that woman who wrote the novelization of the video game Bioshock?

365 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:53:33pm

re: #356 Aceofwhat?

come on. I know it's not the point of the book. The bible verses are the point of the bible. It can't distract from itself. Whereas the passages in question are not the point of reading the Anne Frank book.

You read my post backwards. I'm straining not to read anything into it...

That's what I said.

366 wee fury  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:53:49pm

So cute!

367 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:53:52pm

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

I think the givaway would be when you brought up the Colossal Red Dragon. ;)


And not the gelatinous cube? :D :D

368 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:53:57pm

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

I think the givaway would be when you brought up the Colossal Red Dragon. ;)

"Who the hell is Lloth?"

369 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:54:11pm

re: #362 Slumbering Behemoth

It was commonly believed for a long time, that women were incapable of enjoying sex.

I'm just kinda surprised that we're still not over the idea.

370 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:54:20pm

re: #361 Alouette

Just pulling your leg, friend. You know that, right?

371 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:54:29pm

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

Leviathan.

372 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:54:33pm

re: #368 Varek Raith

"Who the hell is Lloth?"


He's in the Gospel of Raistlin.

373 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:54:49pm

Hmmmm, someone is starting to get it...

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

374 allegro  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:54:55pm

re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist

I swear, if you listened to my sex ed classes, you'd think that women had no desire for sex whatsoever, but allowed it as part of 'loving' someone, or to gain social status.

Are you being serious here?

375 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:54:58pm

re: #372 WindUpBird

'he'?

you lose like 1000 geek points.

376 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:55:01pm

re: #365 Gus 802

i realize that's what you said. sigh. nevermind.

377 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:55:17pm

re: #375 windsagio

'he'?

you lose like 1000 geek points.

Indeed.
:(
XD

378 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:55:34pm

re: #275 Varek Raith

Giraffes are evil.

[Video]

Giraffes are scary.

379 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:55:42pm

re: #335 Slumbering Behemoth

Not the English language, apparently.
/like I'm one to talk

grammar guides are in for big changes as the teenagers of today become the businesspeople of the next decade. Just a matter of time until it's ok to type, "how are u?" in a business letter.

380 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:55:58pm

re: #326 Alouette

His "Nine Stories" is very, very good.

381 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:56:01pm

re: #286 prairiefire

Are you there God? It's me, Margaret.

I hate that book. Lots.

382 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:56:22pm

re: #375 windsagio

'he'?

you lose like 1000 geek points.

i didn't play much D&D! I played Shadowrun, Champions, TMNT, and Call of Cthulhu, which you should know.

383 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:56:26pm

re: #368 Varek Raith

And what is this "Body/Blood of Vecna" crap?

384 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:56:39pm

re: #379 cliffster

Languages always change. Its part of the fun of life. Try to find the long s in modern writing :)

385 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:56:45pm

re: #364 WindUpBird

Ayn Rand, Ayn Rand...isn't she that woman who wrote the novelization of the video game Bioshock?

maybe...nobody ever discusses adventure or historical fiction here...Rand is on some phony pedestal her readers have propped her up on....social commentary/pseudo intellectualism gets old really fast for me

386 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:56:49pm

re: #354 WindUpBird

Catcher in the Rye has NO orbital drops! :D

No, but I play a game that does. I swear, with all the board gamers we've got here now, someday we need to hold a official LGF game of D&D.

387 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:57:07pm

re: #382 WindUpBird

I didn't play D&D either! But I still knew Lolth was a she!

Its in Baldur's Gate, dammit!

388 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:57:30pm

re: #294 Gus 802

I find it odd that someone may think it's "distracting to the literature" considering the frequency of incest found in that very famous black bound book found in almost every motel room across the country.

A cursory review of the Frank book reveals that it doesn't touch upon sex, the verb, but sexuality and/or puberty which is separate from the act(s).

I can't be the only kid who skimmed Tanach for the racy stuff. ;)

389 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:57:39pm

re: #340 albusteve

I agree...Rand deserves kudos for intent but to read her is pure torture, not my thing

I read tons of Rand when I was in the 8th grade. Good stuff. Does drag a little though. Up to that point I was pretty hard-core democrat beliefs. Then I realized, oh I've been wrong this whole time, really there should be no government or taxes or anything. Folks that age are pretty black and white on things.

390 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:57:53pm

re: #377 Varek Raith

Indeed.
:(
XD


I was put off D&D when i attended three AD&D sessions run by friend sof mine, and in all three of them, hours went by where the established players didn't adventure, they just argued about the castle they were building.

I played a lot of the computer game licenses, though!

391 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:57:53pm

re: #373 brookly red

Hmmm, someone is starting to get it...

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

indeed...the whole thing is crashing

392 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:58:00pm

re: #385 albusteve

you get a + for hating on Objectivist Beardos.

393 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:58:06pm

re: #387 windsagio

I didn't play D&D either! But I still knew Lolth was a she!

Its in Baldur's Gate, dammit!

I always misspell her name.

394 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:58:17pm

re: #301 Varek Raith

Heh, I got the ban hammer dropped on me for bringing that up on a creationist forum.

Really? They said there wasn't incest in the Bible?

395 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:58:20pm

re: #387 windsagio

I didn't play D&D either! But I still knew Lolth was a she!

Its in Baldur's Gate, dammit!


I never beat BG :(

396 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:58:45pm

re: #394 SanFranciscoZionist

Really? They said there wasn't incest in the Bible?

No, they just didn't want to hear it.
:)

397 swamprat  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:58:52pm

re: #245 really grumpy big dog johnson

Republican? Democrat?
I'm a "waiter".
I wait for the day a politician farts and the opposing party doesn't issue a "response".
I wait for the day a party doesn't deliberately pose facial expressions for the cameras panning the audience.
I wait for the day a party judges its success by what it does for America, and not by how well it can screw over the opposing party.
I wait for the day the media reports an event in the manner it occurred and doesn't rearrange and cull the facts to support one agenda or another.
It might be awhile.

398 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:59:01pm

re: #395 WindUpBird

I dunno man, you're just shredding your geek cred. Better reference Star Wars or something fast!

399 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 6:59:14pm

re: #391 albusteve

indeed...the whole thing is crashing

not fast enough...

400 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:00:12pm

re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist

Giraffes are scary.

love it. SNL has been great these past few years. Kristen Wiig is my hero.

401 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:00:26pm

re: #392 windsagio

you get a + for hating on Objectivist Beardos.

I dig the Zane Grey....what?

402 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:00:31pm

re: #390 WindUpBird

I was put off D&D when i attended three AD&D sessions run by friend sof mine, and in all three of them, hours went by where the established players didn't adventure, they just argued about the castle they were building.

I played a lot of the computer game licenses, though!

Heh, I had that happen in a game where I was GM. I blasted the living hell out of their characters for being too much like powerlamers...
;)

403 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:00:56pm

re: #398 windsagio

I dunno man, you're just shredding your geek cred. Better reference Star Wars or something fast!


He is as clumsy as he is stupid!

Pray I don't alter it further!

Where are you taking this...thing?

I'll be careful! You'll be dead!

404 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:00:56pm

re: #381 SanFranciscoZionist

How come?

405 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:01:00pm

re: #395 WindUpBird

I never beat BG :(

I beat the cell phone version of it. Cingular actually had such a version for the V3 RAZR. It took a while to do so, though.

406 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:01:12pm

re: #326 Alouette

I'm sure we've all read Catcher in the Rye but has anyone else here read (or tried to?) any of Salinger's other works?

I tried to, back when I was 14 years old. Could not finish anything else he wrote. Deathly boring.

I also read Anthem when I was 14, and then tried to read other stuff by Ayn Rand which I could not finish for the same reason. Boring. As. Fuck.

I didn't like Athem, and haven't been tempted to read more Rand.

And no, never read anything but Catcher.

407 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:01:18pm

It's not 70s enough in here...

Youtube Video
408 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:01:36pm

re: #379 cliffster

Jeez, I hope not. I play fast and loose with the rules of grammar here (mostly just to perturb Cato), but things should be tight and professional in the business world.

I still have a copy of this, and I don't ever plan on ditching it.

409 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:01:49pm

re: #396 Varek Raith

No, they just didn't want to hear it.
:)

"i don't care if she is my cousin...i'm gonna knock dem boots again tonight!"

410 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:02:02pm

re: #403 WindUpBird

OK order is restored. Carry on!

411 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:02:10pm

re: #333 Naso Tang

You got that from Planet of the Apes.

Really? It was in this article...really...

412 allegro  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:02:50pm

re: #389 cliffster

read tons of Rand when I was in the 8th grade. Good stuff. Does drag a little though. Up to that point I was pretty hard-core democrat beliefs. Then I realized, oh I've been wrong this whole time, really there should be no government or taxes or anything. Folks that age are pretty black and white on things.

Wow, all that when you were, what, 12 years old, after being a hard-core democrat until you were 11? Seriously, you're kidding, right?

413 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:03:13pm

re: #337 Alouette

Supposedly she had feelings for Peter, who was in hiding in the same apartment, but they never did the dirty (too many grownups around and no privacy). It's not like she was a lesbian and had feelings for Miep.

I could see having a total crush on Miep...but I believe she was taken by that time.

414 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:03:24pm

re: #403 WindUpBird

also:

Youtube Video
415 Digital Display  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:03:34pm

re: #323 Dragon_Lady

At least you didn't get popped with a DUI! Now a days that'll cost You $12,000.00 + to just try and get out from under it. Count yourself lucky!

You want to hear a funny story..I got invited to some wicked bad party in Napa on Wild ranch Road in College..I had a VW Beetle that was a piece of shit..I'm driving to this wicked ass party on a really foggy night up in the hills some where..I got a CHP Car behind me..He is following me up in the hills.. I panic and made a turn in the middle of a turn in the country completely lost..
Lights come on..I get pulled over.. I explain to the CHP cop that I'm just lost...And he goes..Where you going boy? Just a part sir..Sure....I know that party.. I'll take you there... I followed him to the party with just hundreds of people in my little Beetle with his fucking lights on.. He stopped in front of this house with his lights on while I park and then he drove away...Leaving me with a thousand cold eyes staring at me...Honest to God..Craziest party...My first and only escort to a party by cops
I was so embarrassed

416 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:03:53pm

re: #406 SanFranciscoZionist

I didn't like Athem, and haven't been tempted to read more Rand.

And no, never read anything but Catcher.

I read so many parodies of Catcher that it put me off ever reading the real thing. My loss, I guess.

417 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:03:58pm

re: #414 windsagio

also:


[Video]

Hahahaha! I was just looking for this to post!

418 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:04:02pm

re: #379 cliffster

grammar guides are in for big changes as the teenagers of today become the businesspeople of the next decade. Just a matter of time until it's ok to type, "how are u?" in a business letter.

Well, it already happens in business emails. I think the next 30 years will be very interesting as the internet generation starts running stuff.

419 Unakite  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:04:13pm

re: #345 WindUpBird

I didn't mean to be condescending, I meant to illustrate that i was a nerd, and nerds often handle material at a higher grade level, that's all. We're often not so great at the sports though ;-)

and yes, I was being funny, i suspect MOST kids in my high school, brains or not, could handle the material.

Good conversation. I agree that most kids can handle more stuff than people think they can (that's the only way they can learn), and sometimes it's parents/outsiders that overreact. I'm raising two kids and trying to find the balance (but also trying to remember how I was when I was a kid).

420 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:04:17pm

re: #400 Aceofwhat?

love it. SNL has been great these past few years. Kristen Wiig is my hero.

I think SNL has been pretty hit or miss for years. Occasionally they have some hilarious bits (like that Giraffes! one), but a lot of it is really bad. I usually tape and and watch it on Sunday (or late Saturday night, on nights I get home late.) Most of the time I fast forward through at least half of the sketches.

I think Abby Elliott will the next breakthrough comic actress from the show. She, Anna Faris and Aubrey Plaza are my three favorite young female comedy actresses.

421 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:04:53pm

re: #388 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't be the only kid who skimmed Tanach for the racy stuff. ;)


I remember skipping the pages where the gross/boring/frou-frou stuff was going on. Wait, I still do that.

422 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:05:16pm

re: #412 allegro

Wow, all that when you were, what, 12 years old, after being a hard-core democrat until you were 11? Seriously, you're kidding, right?

Well, give or take a year or so. I might have been a freshman in high school but yeah, big opinions for a little feller. I was a pretty precocious kid. Lots of brain cells have been sacrificed since then, through various means.

423 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:05:16pm

re: #380 prairiefire

His "Nine Stories" is very, very good.

Never got to the "Nine Stories." Quit midway through "Franny and Zooey." That was freaking awful.

424 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:05:38pm

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

I think the givaway would be when you brought up the Colossal Red Dragon. ;)

Isn't there one in Revelations?

425 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:06:36pm

re: #369 windsagio

It was commonly believed for a long time, that women were incapable of enjoying sex.

I'm just kinda surprised that we're still not over the idea.

The Middle Ages sucked for women in a lot of ways, but that trap they did not fall into.

426 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:07:03pm

re: #425 SanFranciscoZionist

Good ol' Freud. He did so much for us!

427 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:07:05pm

re: #408 Slumbering Behemoth

Jeez, I hope not. I play fast and loose with the rules of grammar here (mostly just to perturb Cato), but things should be tight and professional in the business world.

I still have a copy of this, and I don't ever plan on ditching it.

Good for you, hold on tight to it. These damn kids and their damn smilies and acronyms. Get off my lawn

428 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:07:33pm

The most ambitious reading project I ever embarked on was reading all three massive volumes of The Gulag Archipelago, the summer before my junior year in high school. Of course I couldn't absorb it all at such an age, but it did help inoculate me against much leftardation in college.

429 Aceofwhat?  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:08:20pm

Aight boys and girls. good talk. nighty-night-

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:09:18pm

re: #374 allegro

Are you being serious here?

Yeah, I am. And I don't know if much as changed. I listened to a sex ed lecture at our school last week, and basically, the lady told the girls a whole lot of stuff, but she never mentioned 'at your age, you have a lot of sexual feelings'. It was all about protection, and dealing with his libido, which is good, but not a WORD about female desire for anything but a snuggle.

431 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:09:23pm

re: #415 HoosierHoops

D_L cracked up. So just how did you make your introductions at the party?

432 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:09:29pm

re: #404 prairiefire

How come?

Try rubbing it.

433 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:09:51pm

re: #425 SanFranciscoZionist

The Middle Ages sucked for women in a lot of ways, but that trap they did not fall into.

It's apparent even in the nursery rhymes.

“Little maid, pretty maid, whither goest thou?”
“Down in the forest to milk my cow.”
“Shall I go with thee?” “No, not now;
When I send for thee, then come thou.”

434 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:10:03pm

re: #406 SanFranciscoZionist

I've been trying to get more into Cormac McCarthy, but after reading Blood Meridian I don't think I want to read any more of his books. I did enjoy The Road and No Country for Old Men.

435 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:10:22pm

re: #392 windsagio

you get a + for hating on Objectivist Beardos.

Can a woman be a Beardo?

436 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:10:33pm

Purple Rain! :D

Youtube Video
437 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:10:46pm

re: #24 HelloDare

Obama orders Justice Department to consider other venues for the 9/11 terror trial

White House officials have told the Justice Department to consider other venues for the 9/11 terror trial that was to be held in lower Manhattan, the Daily News has learned.

The decision came after Mayor Bloomberg and other politicians across the state railed against President Obama's plan to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in Manhattan Federal Court.

Attorney General Eric Holder now has to think of other places where the trial could take place, officials said.

May I suggest Gitmo Mr President?

438 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:10:48pm

re: #424 SanFranciscoZionist

Isn't there one in Revelations?

Yes, there's a dragon there. It was just a D&D joke, though. The Colossal Red Dragon is a D&D miniature although at $75 its quite expensive. The Gargantuan Black Dragon is also a big D&D mini though only $25 in price. Both of these dragons also appeared in the Dungeons & Dragons arcade game, though I was never able to defeat the Red Dragon, and was ultimately able to win the game without facing him.

439 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:11:20pm

re: #435 SanFranciscoZionist

Interesting question!

Is the beard within the beard? I'd say no.


...

So yes, a woman can be a beardo.

440 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:11:37pm

re: #404 prairiefire

How come?

Because I was the child of an interfaith marriage, and it was supposed to be my big guidebook. Basically. :)

441 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:12:10pm

Had a friend lose their dog recently. My wife pulled up this video. sniff

Youtube Video
442 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:12:28pm

re: #437 Bagua

May I suggest Gitmo Mr President?

a lot of people are...can you imagine BO facing hostility from his own party about this?...that he may be wrong again?

443 Unakite  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:13:00pm

re: #418 WindUpBird

Well, it already happens in business emails. I think the next 30 years will be very interesting as the internet generation starts running stuff.

Hats off to you. I took my time to make one response and you've already done another 15 or 20. Slowing down in my old age. :-)

444 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:13:06pm

re: #409 Aceofwhat?

"i don't care if she is my cousin...i'm gonna knock dem boots again tonight!"

Well, cousin would have been no problem in the Bible--actually an optimal marriage, as it is among today's Beduin. They wouldn't have considered that an incestuous relationship.

445 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:13:45pm

re: #432 Spare O'Lake

Ha!

446 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:13:49pm

re: #443 Unakite

We are the internet Generation after all!


/actually a bit too old, but we're certainly the computer generation ;)

447 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:14:23pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

But when you get your daddy drunk, and take advantage of his blurry vision to...

448 allegro  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:14:25pm

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I am. And I don't know if much as changed. I listened to a sex ed lecture at our school last week, and basically, the lady told the girls a whole lot of stuff, but she never mentioned 'at your age, you have a lot of sexual feelings'. It was all about protection, and dealing with his libido, which is good, but not a WORD about female desire for anything but a snuggle.

I find that to be seriously depressing. This stupid misogynist message continues to be "taught" as though it has merit?

449 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:14:36pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, cousin would have been no problem in the Bible--actually an optimal marriage, as it is among today's Beduin. They wouldn't have considered that an incestuous relationship.

Or among European aristocracy. Or um (shuffles feet) hillbillies.

450 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:14:43pm

re: #440 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh. I found it on my own and realized I actually was not a freak.

451 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:14:59pm

re: #416 The Sanity Inspector

I read so many parodies of Catcher that it put me off ever reading the real thing. My loss, I guess.

I thought it was really deep and intense when I was fifteen. Less impressed now.

Some of my students like it, others, from a tough urban background, feel like has no real problems, and just whines way too much.

452 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:15:47pm

re: #272 Spare O'Lake

No charge.
BTW, did you know that giraffes are insincere?

I am?
Sheesh, I don't want to be.
*shucks*

453 Unakite  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:15:55pm

re: #446 windsagio

We are the internet Generation after all!

/actually a bit too old, but we're certainly the computer generation ;)

That's OK. I'd like to say that I could still drink you (all) under the table, but I'm not even sure if that's true anymore (be fun trying though). :)

454 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:15:58pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

That's exactly it. Catcher isn't a book you can go back to later.

Kind of like The Graduate that way. You know you're old when you cheer for Mrs. Robinson, instead of for Benjamin.

455 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:16:00pm

re: #442 albusteve

a lot of people are...can you imagine BO facing hostility from his own party about this?...that he may be wrong again?

I am told that it wasn't his decision; but if not I have to think it was following his lead.

456 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:17:06pm

There is an unidentified Kitteh at my window...
BRB....?

457 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:17:09pm

re: #433 The Sanity Inspector

It's apparent even in the nursery rhymes.

“Little maid, pretty maid, whither goest thou?”
“Down in the forest to milk my cow.”
“Shall I go with thee?” “No, not now;
When I send for thee, then come thou.”

And the absolute paranoia of the medieval church about preventing women from casting Viagra-like spells on men. You read some of these confession manuals...

458 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:17:51pm

re: #406 SanFranciscoZionist

I didn't like Athem, and haven't been tempted to read more Rand.

And no, never read anything but Catcher.

Lord of the Rings had much more of an impact on my teenage years then anything from Salinger or Rand.

459 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:17:53pm

re: #457 SanFranciscoZionist

or the idea that a major part of witchcraft was sexual congress with the devil.

460 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:18:03pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought it was really deep and intense when I was fifteen. Less impressed now.

I know exactly what you mean. I read it many times in my teens and early twenties, but I'm not sure if I would like it as much now.

I recently borrowed the Robert Crumb Book of Genesis from my brother. Haven't started reading it yet, but it looks great.

461 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:18:14pm

Speaking of precociousness, I was on Fark.com a few years ago, and my young daughter saw the word "dumbass" onscreen. "Ooh!" she exclaimed. I quickly minimized the screen. "Shoo!" She was still agitated, and paused to explain, "If you take off the letters A-S-S it spells "dumb" and that's a bad word to call somebody!" Whew!...

462 Digital Display  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:18:20pm

re: #431 Rightwingconspirator

D_L cracked up. So just how did you make your introductions at the party?

The same way I showed up here..
It was a dark foggy night with hundreds of cool kids hanging out on the porch, In the yard..In the house..And when I walked up all eyes were on me..
It was very uncomfortable at first...You gets escorted to a Napa Valley by the CHP with the lights on?
I bounded up the stairs and yelled something like what's up? I do the same thing here....
/That the Lord I didn't get beat up *wink*

463 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:19:09pm

re: #462 HoosierHoops

Dude you got high style.

464 lrsshadow  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:19:09pm

Has anyone been following the story about Hamas being taken off the terror list so they can start getting aid?

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

465 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:19:16pm

re: #455 Naso Tang

I am told that it wasn't his decision; but if not I have to think it was following his lead.

there will be the usual spin...I think it's a done deal to move the trial, but not to Gitmo where it belongs...that would be a fail they cannot deal with yet...this admin is a mess imo

466 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:20:41pm

re: #461 The Sanity Inspector

LOL. That's seriously funny.

467 Gus  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:21:32pm

Back later...

468 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:21:49pm

re: #464 lrsshadow

Has anyone been following the story about Hamas being taken off the terror list so they can start getting aid?

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

we'll unclench their fist...how much?...what a sick situation...Donald Trump would turn the Gaza cesspool into a money maker if they'd let him

469 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:22:52pm

re: #428 The Sanity Inspector

The most ambitious reading project I ever embarked on was reading all three massive volumes of The Gulag Archipelago, the summer before my junior year in high school. Of course I couldn't absorb it all at such an age, but it did help inoculate me against much leftardation in college.

I read Cancer Ward and The First Circle in college, then all three volumes of TGA when it came out in the 70's. Then I learned what a freaking anti-Semite Solzhenitsyn really was. Don't know what he thought of Natan Sharansky.

470 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:23:39pm

re: #465 albusteve

Talking of playing out enough rope to get hung by; if Obama is behind this he will get burned again, assuming he makes it to 8 years.

Talk to the Taliban

Reminds me of when people 5 or 6 or 7 years ago were talking about talking to Iran about nuclear stuff./

471 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:24:14pm

re: #275 Varek Raith

Giraffes are evil.

[Video]

Shameless steal from Mandy
*WHACK*

472 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:24:25pm

re: #464 lrsshadow

Has anyone been following the story about Hamas being taken off the terror list so they can start getting aid?

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

That's disgusting. But oopsie! Looks like there's been a mistake:
Gaza: Hamas Calls Israeli Civilian Deaths a Mistake

473 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:24:26pm

Hamas are bloodthirsty killers of the highest order...therefore the UN will champion their cause and BO will follow their lead...robust disorder is a huge money maker for the UN, and Gaza is a goldmine

474 Digital Display  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:25:33pm

re: #463 Rightwingconspirator

Dude you got high style.

Grew up in Napa Valley in the middle of zillionaire wine snobs...I'm just one of the local kids..In the 70's.. Napa Valley just blew up..We had LA..Europe..Everybody flocked to town.. I got stories for years..
.

475 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:26:10pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, cousin would have been no problem in the Bible--actually an optimal marriage, as it is among today's Beduin. They wouldn't have considered that an incestuous relationship.

Optimal marriage in Biblical times was niece-uncle. First cousin was second best.

476 allegro  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:26:11pm

re: #473 albusteve

robust disorder is a huge money maker for the UN, and Gaza is a goldmine

For who?

477 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:26:19pm

re: #470 Naso Tang

Talking of playing out enough rope to get hung by; if Obama is behind this he will get burned again, assuming he makes it to 8 years.

Talk to the Taliban

Reminds me of when people 5 or 6 or 7 years ago were talking about talking to Iran about nuclear stuff./

at this point BO is one and done...events may overtake him, just like Bush, but favorably and get him re-elected...people are stupid

478 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:26:52pm

re: #474 HoosierHoops

One day there will be a real world event. I got your drinks-we swap a few tall tales.

479 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:27:30pm

re: #472 The Sanity Inspector

That's disgusting. But oopsie! Looks like there's been a mistake:
Gaza: Hamas Calls Israeli Civilian Deaths a Mistake

So what were they aiming at? Oh wait...

480 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:28:00pm

re: #476 allegro

For who?

UN paper pushers, negotiators, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers

481 swamprat  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:28:51pm

re: #459 windsagio

or the idea that a major part of witchcraft was sexual congress with the devil.

A major part of congress is crafting deals that would make the devil blush.

482 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:29:44pm

re: #471 Floral Giraffe

Shameless steal from Mandy
*WHACK*

Ow!

483 allegro  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:30:06pm

re: #480 albusteve

UN paper pushers, negotiators, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers

'

I guess that means you don't have an answer?

484 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:30:35pm

re: #469 Alouette

I read Cancer Ward and The First Circle in college, then all three volumes of TGA when it came out in the 70's. Then I learned what a freaking anti-Semite Solzhenitsyn really was. Don't know what he thought of Natan Sharansky.

Yes, sadly he's an example of gods with feet of clay. Yet, he is a hero, and always will be one.

485 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:31:22pm

re: #412 allegro

Wow, all that when you were, what, 12 years old, after being a hard-core democrat until you were 11? Seriously, you're kidding, right?

Is it so unusual? At 12 I was a hard-core democrat working for the McGovern presidential campaign to which I donated all my free time and as much of my folks money as I could squeeze.

I was already a veteran at age 10 of the previous Congressional election going door to door politicking for the Democratic candidate, who won. Got my new bicycle stolen while leafleting for him in fact. I told him about it thinking he may get me another one after he won but he just smiled. Next election I focused on the Presidential race, but Nixon won and I grew disillusioned with politics for the next 40 years or so.

486 Digital Display  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:33:59pm

re: #478 Rightwingconspirator

One day there will be a real world event. I got your drinks-we swap a few tall tales.

We almost got a Chicago meetup last Summer.. It would have been great fun..
I still think a Summer weekend in Chicago would be a blast....We could get a rate!

487 sagehen  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:34:30pm

re: #331 Unakite

Point taken amicably. You obviously were ahead of the curve (I expect many here are), but it came across as a little condescending. In my opinion, most young kids are smarter than their peers think they are. I suspect that there were kids your age who could read Anne Frank and not "just giggle like a dipshit," even if they weren't quite on your level.

I'd think kids the same age as Anne could read anything she felt she could write.

488 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:35:16pm

re: #486 HoosierHoops

We almost got a Chicago meetup last Summer.. It would have been great fun..
I still think a Summer weekend in Chicago would be a blast...We could get a rate!

There are some good deals available if you plan ahead. Just give me a few weeks advance notice. I'd love to finally meet you in person, Hoops.

489 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:35:23pm

re: #287 really grumpy big dog johnson

I can't keep them from peeping at me from over the fence. It's irritating as all get out.

(right, FG? :) )

LOL!
I liked your nic!
And your sense of humor, way back, when!
Still do!

490 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:35:45pm

re: #483 allegro

'

I guess that means you don't have an answer?

don't be silly...the UN is nothing more than legal organized crime...money filtered down through their agencies is bled dry...UNCRH are crooked, they thrive on conflict and even promote it...that's where the money is...support Hamas, indict Israel...an old scam that everyone turns a blind eye to...don't fuck with the mighty UN!

491 allegro  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:36:27pm

re: #485 Bagua

Is it so unusual? At 12 I was a hard-core democrat working for the McGovern presidential campaign to which I donated all my free time and as much of my folks money as I could squeeze.

I was already a veteran at age 10 of the previous Congressional election going door to door politicking for the Democratic candidate, who won. Got my new bicycle stolen while leafleting for him in fact. I told him about it thinking he may get me another one after he won but he just smiled. Next election I focused on the Presidential race, but Nixon won and I grew disillusioned with politics for the next 40 years or so.

I think's it's quite adorable that kids would mimic their parents politically. So did I. We believe our parents are all-powerful and knowing. That's natural and to be expected. To believe as an adult that we discovered "the Truth" at age 12 and make current decisions based on that... is really creepy and suspect.

492 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:36:36pm

Um, before we start hatin' on the Middle Ages too much, consider:

Suppose that a great commotion arises in the street about
something, let us say a lamp post, which many influential persons
desire to pull down. A grey-clad monk, who is the spirit of the
Middle Ages, is approached upon the matter, and begins to say, in the
arid manner of the Schoolmen, "Let us first of all consider, my
brethren, the value of Light. If Light be in itself good..." At this
point he is somewhat excusably knocked down. All the people make a
rush for the lamp post, the lamp post is down in ten minutes, and they
go about congratulating each other on their unmedieval practicality.
But as things go on they do not work out so easily. Some people have
pulled the lamp post down because they wanted the electric light; some
because they wanted old iron; some because they wanted darkness,
because their deeds were evil. Some thought it not enough of a lamp
post, some too much; some acted because they wanted to smash municipal
machinery; some because they wanted to smash something. And there is
war in the night, no man knowing whom he strikes. So, gradually and
inevitably, today, tomorrow, or the next day, there comes back the
conviction that the monk was right after all, and that all depends on
what is the philosophy of Light. Only what we might have discussed
under the gas lamp, we now must discuss in the dark.
--G. K. Chesterton, Heretics, 1905

493 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:37:14pm

re: #488 Dark_Falcon

There are some good deals available if you plan ahead. Just give me a few weeks advance notice. I'd love to finally meet you in person, Hoops.

Screw that, you all come down to Austin. We have a lake, too (not as Great but still cool) and lots of good live music. And bbq

494 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:37:32pm

re: #485 Bagua

Is it so unusual? At 12 I was a hard-core democrat working for the McGovern presidential campaign to which I donated all my free time and as much of my folks money as I could squeeze.

I was already a veteran at age 10 of the previous Congressional election going door to door politicking for the Democratic candidate, who won. Got my new bicycle stolen while leafleting for him in fact. I told him about it thinking he may get me another one after he won but he just smiled. Next election I focused on the Presidential race, but Nixon won and I grew disillusioned with politics for the next 40 years or so.

Forty years from the McGovern campaign would be next year. Does that mean you're still disillusioned?

495 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:37:50pm

re: #490 albusteve

don't be silly...the UN is nothing more than legal organized crime...money filtered down through their agencies is bled dry...UNCRH are crooked, they thrive on conflict and even promote it...that's where the money is...support Hamas, indict Israel...an old scam that everyone turns a blind eye to...don't fuck with the mighty UN!

I say do fuck with them. The UN is rotten to the core and we shouldn't be enabling their support of Hamas.

496 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:37:50pm

re: #447 Slumbering Behemoth

But when you get your daddy drunk, and take advantage of his blurry vision to...

Well, yes. That was disapproved of.

497 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:38:35pm

re: #449 Escaped Hillbilly

Or among European aristocracy. Or um (shuffles feet) hillbillies.

My great-grandparents were first cousins, IIRC.

498 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:38:59pm

re: #450 prairiefire

Oh. I found it on my own and realized I actually was not a freak.

That's why we need such a lot of books!

499 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:39:20pm

Good gravy, I thought Salinger died ages ago...
:/

500 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:39:39pm

Stars and Stripes has an article on the Don't Ask policy.

Next Tuesday, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen will unveil to the Senate Armed Services Committee “an implementation plan” for repealing the law, according to defense officials. The leaders are also expected to testify on how the changes will affect the force.

So sad we're still arguing about this 16 years down the road. When I brought up the Stat of the Union in class today, the only comment was on his mention of this policy. The guy who brought it up confided he had no problem with repealing it. Actually whipsered it like he thought someone would take offense.

501 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:39:44pm

re: #491 allegro

I think's it's quite adorable that kids would mimic their parents politically. So did I. We believe our parents are all-powerful and knowing. That's natural and to be expected. To believe as an adult that we discovered "the Truth" at age 12 and make current decisions based on that... is really creepy and suspect.

Nope, the folks weren't involved and didn't mention support for either candidate I was working for. It was me.

502 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:40:20pm

re: #488 Dark_Falcon

Has there ever been a BBQ or anything for / by / unofficially including LGF?

503 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:40:36pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

I say do fuck with them. The UN is rotten to the core and we shouldn't be enabling their support of Hamas.

agreed, it's a dead end and sooner or later some admin will take this matter up seriously...every investigation, every accusation goes unanswered and nobody is willing to expose them for what they are...they have the US by the balls and personally I find it sickening

504 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:40:51pm

re: #491 allegro

I think's it's quite adorable that kids would mimic their parents politically. So did I. We believe our parents are all-powerful and knowing. That's natural and to be expected. To believe as an adult that we discovered "the Truth" at age 12 and make current decisions based on that... is really creepy and suspect.

Yeah, like I said upthread, at that age the world is pretty binary for a lot of kids. Things are absolutely this way or that, no "wisdom" No nuance, if you will.

505 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:40:58pm

re: #493 cliffster

Screw that, you all come down to Austin. We have a lake, too (not as Great but still cool) and lots of good live music. And bbq

I've only been to Austin once, in the late 80s. Loved it there. A former bandmate of mine has been living there and playing with the Asylum Street Spankers for about 7 years.

506 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:41:14pm

re: #415 HoosierHoops

LOL!
And, STILL, you're "dining out" on the story!
*waves to the Hoopster*

507 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:41:37pm

re: #459 windsagio

or the idea that a major part of witchcraft was sexual congress with the devil.

True, although that becomes a major issue in the Renaissance. Actual earlier medieval witch trials tend to be over things like "Did you make his cow die by cursing it? OK, you owe him a new cow, and you owe God a bazillion Aves."

Things turn weird and horrific later in the period.

508 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:41:38pm

re: #494 The Sanity Inspector

Forty years from the McGovern campaign would be next year. Does that mean you're still disillusioned?

Almost, 39 years then, first actual vote ever was for McCain last year. Never registered to vote prior to then.

509 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:41:43pm

re: #464 lrsshadow

Has anyone been following the story about Hamas being taken off the terror list so they can start getting aid?

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

That is scandalous.

After reflecting on Obama's SOTU speech I give him a D-. He remains as naive as ever on foreign policy. And what little he said on foreign were delusional - "that's why North Korea now faces increased isolation and stronger sanctions" and "Iran is more isolated. And Iran's leaders continue to ignore their obligations. There should be no doubt. They, too, will face growing consequences. That is a promise."

Mr President, it is not that Iran is ignoring her obligations. Rather Iran views you as a weak President. You have fixed several deadlines for Iran and when Iran lets the deadline pass, you have set a new deadline. Mr President, your promises are empty.

And he did not mention Israel once in his speech. Considering that his commitment to Israel has been in doubt from the get-go, President Obama could have at least tried to make political points by mentioning Israel.

I am a Democrat. I fear that Obama will be Jimmy Carter II.

510 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:41:52pm

re: #499 Varek Raith

Good gravy, I thought Salinger died ages ago...
:/

Me too. I was going to say "he was still alive??" but that would be perhaps a little crass. Like that ever stops me.

511 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:41:56pm

How about this. We all have a end of the world party on my soon-to-be-completed Death Star?
;)

512 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:42:23pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

I say do fuck with them. The UN is rotten to the core and we shouldn't be enabling their support of Hamas.

Why not? Look what a bang-up job they did clearing Hezbollah out of southern Lebanon after the last war.
/

513 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:42:32pm

re: #502 Rightwingconspirator

Has there ever been a BBQ or anything for / by / unofficially including LGF?

the LGF Social Club....gotta think about that one...I mean it's a news blog

514 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:42:47pm

I think it would be a riotous bar party if all the lizards got together.

515 Digital Display  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:43:10pm

re: #488 Dark_Falcon

There are some good deals available if you plan ahead. Just give me a few weeks advance notice. I'd love to finally meet you in person, Hoops.

There are so many Lizards in the Chicago area..We almost made it happen last year...
I thought some deal where we fly in friday night after work..Have a little meetup..Saturday..Lunch and Blogging events with a live link up with Charles about new technologies..Dinner and dancing.. Everybody flies out Sunday morning.. The Hoopster plans to have fun this summer

516 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:44:07pm

re: #475 Alouette

Optimal marriage in Biblical times was niece-uncle. First cousin was second best.

OK, a pretty good marriage...

As long as I don't have to fight with the people hanging on to Rashi's calculation that Rivka was three when she married Yitzchak.

517 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:44:24pm

re: #515 HoosierHoops

re: #514 prairiefire

re: #513 albusteve


A masquerade.

518 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:44:26pm

re: #509 Stuart Leviton

That is scandalous.

After reflecting on Obama's SOTU speech I give him a D-. He remains as naive as ever on foreign policy. And what little he said on foreign were delusional - "that's why North Korea now faces increased isolation and stronger sanctions" and "Iran is more isolated. And Iran's leaders continue to ignore their obligations. There should be no doubt. They, too, will face growing consequences. That is a promise."

Mr President, it is not that Iran is ignoring her obligations. Rather Iran views you as a weak President. You have fixed several deadlines for Iran and when Iran lets the deadline pass, you have set a new deadline. Mr President, your promises are empty.

And he did not mention Israel once in his speech. Considering that his commitment to Israel has been in doubt from the get-go, President Obama could have at least tried to make political points by mentioning Israel.

I am a Democrat. I fear that Obama will be Jimmy Carter II.

BO lied through his teeth regarding the Norks and Iran...flat out delusional...you might say the man is dangerous with that kind of talk

519 Aye Pod  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:45:18pm

re: #514 prairiefire

If I could make a suggestion for the featured drink promotion:

Youtube Video
520 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:45:50pm

re: #492 The Sanity Inspector

Um, before we start hatin' on the Middle Ages too much, consider:

Suppose that a great commotion arises in the street about
something, let us say a lamp post, which many influential persons
desire to pull down. A grey-clad monk, who is the spirit of the
Middle Ages, is approached upon the matter, and begins to say, in the
arid manner of the Schoolmen, "Let us first of all consider, my
brethren, the value of Light. If Light be in itself good..." At this
point he is somewhat excusably knocked down. All the people make a
rush for the lamp post, the lamp post is down in ten minutes, and they
go about congratulating each other on their unmedieval practicality.
But as things go on they do not work out so easily. Some people have
pulled the lamp post down because they wanted the electric light; some
because they wanted old iron; some because they wanted darkness,
because their deeds were evil. Some thought it not enough of a lamp
post, some too much; some acted because they wanted to smash municipal
machinery; some because they wanted to smash something. And there is
war in the night, no man knowing whom he strikes. So, gradually and
inevitably, today, tomorrow, or the next day, there comes back the
conviction that the monk was right after all, and that all depends on
what is the philosophy of Light. Only what we might have discussed
under the gas lamp, we now must discuss in the dark.
--G. K. Chesterton, Heretics, 1905

Hatin'? I love the Middle Ages! And the Renaissance!

521 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:45:53pm

re: #504 cliffster

Yeah, like I said upthread, at that age the world is pretty binary for a lot of kids. Things are absolutely this way or that, no "wisdom" No nuance, if you will.

It's interesting to look back on one's own attitudes from that age.

Around 12 I had the usual adolescent revelation: everything
that came before me was crap for clueless fogeys. [...] Took too many
years to shake that idea. I think it was “Casablanca” that brought me
around. [...] In the spell of the movie I bought some Glenn Miller and
Harry James records, fell in love and wore them smooth. There was
something there my own music lacked. Everything about them seemed so
grown-up. In place of self-pity, there was wry bemusement; instead of
the mopey adolescent angst, great cheer and can-do grins. (Although if
you can find a bleaker piece of music than Benny Goodman’s “Goodbye,”
good luck; it’s impossible to listen to it without thinking of a
soldier having one last slow dance before shipping out.) We were of
course the most Tragic Doomed Generation of them all, because Ronald
Reagan was going to start a nuclear war, and we would all be living in
a Mad Max world by the middle of his second term. To find a generation
facing actual horror and responding with swing was instructive.
-- James Lileks

522 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:46:05pm

re: #505 Mad Al-Jaffee

I've only been to Austin once, in the late 80s. Loved it there. A former bandmate of mine has been living there and playing with the Asylum Street Spankers for about 7 years.

Get outta here! Their music is very, well, colorful. If I catch a show, I'll hollar at them that Mad Al-Jaffee says yo

523 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:46:07pm

re: #513 albusteve

the LGF Social Club...gotta think about that one...I mean it's a news blog

I'll buy your drinks.
Something better than your "purple people eater".
Does that help your thinking?
LOL!

524 Escaped Hillbilly  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:48:12pm

Oh goodness. I've gone and stayed up too late again. Night Leezards.

525 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:48:19pm

re: #511 Varek Raith

How about this. We all have a end of the world party on my soon-to-be-completed Death Star?
;)

I thought you were going to test that thing on Pluto? I'm in either way, as long as you don't allow those idiotic RA-7 droids to serve the drinks.

/extreme geekage

526 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:49:00pm

re: #522 cliffster

Get outta here! Their music is very, well, colorful. If I catch a show, I'll hollar at them that Mad Al-Jaffee says yo

Yeah, they're a lot of fun, and very talented. They were in town earlier this month. I missed the show and I regret it. Lots of my friends were there, and I could have sat in with them. Maybe next time...

527 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:49:07pm

re: #523 Floral Giraffe

I'll buy your drinks.
Something better than your "purple people eater".
Does that help your thinking?
LOL!

HOw many Lizards does it take to keep a BBQ busy on Independence day in SoCal?

528 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:49:15pm

re: #502 Rightwingconspirator

Has there ever been a BBQ or anything for / by / unofficially including LGF?

Yes, in the old days there was an lgf page on meetup.com. Don't know what if anything ever came of it.

529 swamprat  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:49:31pm

re: #509 Stuart Leviton

I am a Democrat. I fear that Obama will be Jimmy Carter II.

I hope your fears are unfounded.
I fear that your fears are well grounded.

530 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:49:42pm

re: #528 The Sanity Inspector

Hmmm.

531 Digital Display  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:50:06pm

re: #506 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
And, STILL, you're "dining out" on the story!
*waves to the Hoopster*

Hi Friend!
What up Valley girl? Wanna bang on somebody?
*wink*
Hope you are well today

532 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:50:17pm

I might as well post a Spankers video:

Youtube Video
533 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:50:52pm

Don't be alarmed! Just a military exercise.

Youtube Video

Except for this one...

Youtube Video
534 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:51:00pm

re: #527 Rightwingconspirator

HOw many Lizards does it take to keep a BBQ busy on Independence day in SoCal?

Depends on the beach and the strength of the liquor!

535 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:52:48pm

re: #531 HoosierHoops

VALLEY GIRL??
*harumph*
Strikes Hoopster off her list.

I am a g-e-n-u-i-n-e beach babe.
California born & raised.

*flings bad wine at Hoopster, but misses*

536 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:52:54pm

re: #523 Floral Giraffe

I'll buy your drinks.
Something better than your "purple people eater".
Does that help your thinking?
LOL!

my PPEs are primo...there is nothing better...but I'd meet and greet for tacos somewhere

537 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:53:08pm

re: #497 SanFranciscoZionist

My great-grandparents were first cousins, IIRC.

My parents are first cousins. Once removed.

538 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:53:22pm

re: #518 albusteve

BO lied through his teeth regarding the Norks and Iran...flat out delusional...you might say the man is dangerous with that kind of talk


Appallingly dangerous is President Obama. He is naive, ignorant and a lier.

539 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:54:22pm

re: #538 Stuart Leviton

lol everyone loves simple unsourced hatred.

Posts like that truly raise the level of our dialogue!

540 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:55:22pm

re: #534 Floral Giraffe

Well I have been an "indy" voter for some time, I figured if I were to do another BBQ, Independence day would be it. Precisely the kind of excuse my local pals employ to put on a party. Long on food booze and friendly company.

541 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:55:29pm

My dad just gave me a copy of his memoirs to edit, and he wants it finished before he passes away. He is 91.

Fortunately he gave my son a copy of his memoirs last year and he already scanned it into MS Word.

My dad makes all his edits in hard copy.

542 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:55:47pm

re: #532 Mad Al-Jaffee

I might as well post a Spankers video:


[Video]

cool, kind of a Dan Hicks sorta thing

543 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:55:56pm

re: #537 Alouette

My parents are first cousins. Once removed.

The Amish are all descended from the same 17th Century Swiss Anabaptists. That's why they're prone to lots of rare genetic disorders, like Maple Syrup Urine Disease.

544 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:56:06pm

re: #541 Alouette

well he is 91...

545 swamprat  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:56:54pm

re: #538 Stuart Leviton


Don't hold back; how do you really feel?

546 Digital Display  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:57:34pm

re: #535 Floral Giraffe

VALLEY GIRL??
*harumph*
Strikes Hoopster off her list.

I am a g-e-n-u-i-n-e beach babe.
California born & raised.

*flings bad wine at Hoopster, but misses*

LOL
Be well my friend

547 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:57:58pm

re: #509 Stuart Leviton

I hope he's got a better grip on North Korea, especially, than he's letting on. Li'l Kim has been playing the West's negotiators like a pawnshop Gibson in a Pete Townshend impersonation contest for the past decade.

548 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:58:10pm

re: #542 albusteve

cool, kind of a Dan Hicks sorta thing

Check this one out:

Youtube Video
549 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:58:53pm

re: #547 The Sanity Inspector

I hope he's got a better grip on North Korea, especially, than he's letting on. Li'l Kim has been playing the West's negotiators like a pawnshop Gibson in a Pete Townshend impersonation contest for the past decade.

Quite Concur.

550 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:59:03pm

re: #541 Alouette

My dad just gave me a copy of his memoirs to edit, and he wants it finished before he passes away. He is 91.

Fortunately he gave my son a copy of his memoirs last year and he already scanned it into MS Word.

My dad makes all his edits in hard copy.

That project would make a good subject for a special interest blog, if you've got the time for it.

551 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:59:19pm

re: #548 Mad Al-Jaffee

Check this one out:


[Video]

'cept their lyrics are not nearly as clever as Hicks and the girl is as homely as a four dollar bill...I like them sort of

552 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:59:35pm

re: #539 windsagio

lol everyone loves simple unsourced hatred.

Posts like that truly raise the level of our dialogue!


Unsourced? My first post quoted the President's SOTU address.
Hatred? Not hatred; disgust is what it is.

553 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 7:59:56pm

re: #543 The Sanity Inspector

The Amish are all descended from the same 17th Century Swiss Anabaptists. That's why they're prone to lots of rare genetic disorders, like Maple Syrup Urine Disease.

I am not Amish. My mom did some medical research before she was married (what they knew of genetic disorders in the 1940's) and all they discovered was...

Shortness. Fatness. And longevity.

554 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:00:42pm

re: #528 The Sanity Inspector

Yes, in the old days there was an lgf page on meetup.com. Don't know what if anything ever came of it.

A while back, someone popped in here, made friendly with a bunch of folks, and eventually asked them to join the LGF Facebook page they had created. IIRC, you have to use actual, identifiable information to join up with Facebook. Anyway, I seem to recall that not turning out so well. My memory of it is a bit fuzzy, though. Maybe someone else has better info on that.

555 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:01:33pm

re: #550 The Sanity Inspector

That project would make a good subject for a special interest blog, if you've got the time for it.

My mom also has all the letters that she and my dad sent to each other when he was in the Pacific during WW2. That I should definitely try to find a publisher. University of Michigan Press, since she was a coed at Ann Arbor.

556 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:01:47pm

re: #552 Stuart Leviton

Unsourced? My first post quoted the President's SOTU address.
Hatred? Not hatred; disgust is what it is.

Well, with Obama there's a lot to be disgusted with. Whether its economic ignorance, breathtaking self-importance, or sheer foreign policy stupidity, Barack Obama has something to offend everyone.

557 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:02:26pm

re: #551 albusteve

'cept their lyrics are not nearly as clever as Hicks and the girl is as homely as a four dollar bill...I like them sort of

She and Wammo (the lead singer/harp player) are pretty far left, but decent people. I haven't heard much Hicks so I really can't compare them. The Spankers are very clever and funny and they mix it up. They've recorded acoustic versions of Black Flag's TV Party and The B-52s Dance This Mess Around.

558 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:03:06pm

re: #552 Stuart Leviton

Mmhmm. Seems like the normal 'god I hate obama' emotional reaction we get.


Calling the president "Appallingly dangerous, ignorant, naive, and a lier" (sic) certainly is way low on the 'crazy-hate' meter!

559 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:03:07pm

re: #536 albusteve

my PPEs are primo...there is nothing better...but I'd meet and greet for tacos somewhere

If you like them, well, I'll serve them!
There's a dive in Hollywood, that does great Mexican.
Lucy's El Adobe Cafe. Great food, better drinks!
I'll sneak in the PPE's!

560 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:03:09pm

re: #538 Stuart Leviton

Appallingly dangerous is President Obama. He is naive, ignorant and a lier.

Just a drive-by, and it's late, but a CNN poll (agreed, notoriously unreliable) puts the response at 84% positive (good or fair) and 26% poor.

And "lier" doesn't mean what you think it means.

561 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:03:14pm

re: #543 The Sanity Inspector

The Amish are all descended from the same 17th Century Swiss Anabaptists. That's why they're prone to lots of rare genetic disorders, like Maple Syrup Urine Disease.

With a name like MSUD, I thought that was gonna be a link to Cracked. Wow.

562 swamprat  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:04:43pm

Obama stepped off the easy path when he reccommended coal as an energy source.(Good for him!)
He is pushing for railroads, which are the most efficient form of transportation.
If he falls on his face, the country will not fall, we will learn, grow, and move on.
If he succeeds, we will be better off.
This will be OK.

563 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:04:53pm

re: #555 Alouette

no kidding?...I have 3 years of letters between my mom and dad from 42 to 45 while he served in the pacific...it's one of my most valued treasures...my dad is gone and my mom doesn't even know I have them...some racy stuff between newlyweds that were separated by time, distance and war

564 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:05:03pm

apropos of nothing (heh) what are the specific symptoms of ODS?

565 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:05:41pm

re: #563 albusteve

see thats pretty cool. Well worth preserving :)

566 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:05:43pm

re: #558 windsagio

Mmhmm. Seems like the normal 'god I hate obama' emotional reaction we get.

Calling the president "Appallingly dangerous, ignorant, naive, and a lier" (sic) certainly is way low on the 'crazy-hate' meter!

I never thought he was naive or ignorant...

567 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:06:07pm

re: #540 Rightwingconspirator

Well I have been an "indy" voter for some time, I figured if I were to do another BBQ, Independence day would be it. Precisely the kind of excuse my local pals employ to put on a party. Long on food booze and friendly company.

One of my least favorite days to be driving. New Year's Eve is the other.
Once upon a time, in the days before cellphones...
I was going south on the 405 on that straight strech before you get to the Long Beach airport. All of the cars behind be were flashing their brights & pulling off the road. I did the same & watched a drived, who couldn't keep the car in 3 lanes go by.

I don't like driving on drinking holidays.

568 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:06:19pm

re: #566 brookly red

good zinger :)

but I already know you don't like the guy :P

569 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:06:19pm

re: #542 albusteve

The Asylum Street Spankers are homeboys. But that link doesn't work for me.

:-(

570 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:06:20pm

re: #543 The Sanity Inspector

The Amish are all descended from the same 17th Century Swiss Anabaptists. That's why they're prone to lots of rare genetic disorders, like Maple Syrup Urine Disease.

I completely expected that to be a joke. Maple Syrup Urine Disease? Wow. If untreated, can cause brain damage and death. The things to be learned around here!

571 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:06:34pm

re: #557 Mad Al-Jaffee

She and Wammo (the lead singer/harp player) are pretty far left, but decent people. I haven't heard much Hicks so I really can't compare them. The Spankers are very clever and funny and they mix it up. They've recorded acoustic versions of Black Flag's TV Party and The B-52s Dance This Mess Around.

pretty good playing and fair arrangements...could be a big thing if they catch on to the right people...it's hard, as you well know, I'm sure

572 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:07:28pm

re: #568 windsagio

good zinger :)

but I already know you don't like the guy :P

but have you ever considered the reasons?

573 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:08:00pm

re: #572 brookly red

I have!

... Its hard to go any further on this line of discussion without getting personal.

574 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:08:01pm

re: #567 Floral Giraffe

Well good point. My BBQ does tend to a local crowd.

575 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:08:32pm

It's nice to see lots of hot threads again. Hundreds and even thousands of comments show that this site is still an important voice in understanding that there is a perspective out there that isn't completely "out there." Sanity still has a place. And with sanity there is hope.

576 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:08:53pm

re: #562 swamprat

Obama stepped off the easy path when he reccommended coal as an energy source.(Good for him!)
He is pushing for railroads, which are the most efficient form of transportation.
If he falls on his face, the country will not fall, we will learn, grow, and move on.
If he succeeds, we will be better off.
This will be OK.

BO will never, ever go for clean coal, oil, gas and nukes...no way, no how...he will pander here and there at best....bet me...he utterly trashed and shamed the coal industry in his campaign...the guy is a monumental, serial liar

577 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:08:57pm

re: #573 windsagio

I have!

... Its hard to go any further on this line of discussion without getting personal.

as you wish...

578 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:09:23pm

re: #577 brookly red

you know how it is; nobody wants a serious flame war.

579 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:09:31pm

re: #574 Rightwingconspirator

Truly one of the scariest things I have ever seen.
And that includes the poor folks jumping from the twin towers.

580 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:09:54pm

re: #565 windsagio

see thats pretty cool. Well worth preserving :)

oh yeah...don't I know

581 allegro  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:10:14pm

re: #567 Floral Giraffe

I don't like driving on drinking holidays.

Considering the way you told that story, I can dig it.

582 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:10:48pm

re: #562 swamprat

Obama stepped off the easy path when he recommended coal as an energy source.(Good for him!)
He is pushing for railroads, which are the most efficient form of transportation.
If he falls on his face, the country will not fall, we will learn, grow, and move on.
If he succeeds, we will be better off.
This will be OK.

About railroads, nuclear power, offshore drilling, and clean coal I have no objection. That's part of the reason I distrust that CNN poll. Almost everyone will have found more than one item in the SOTU that they approve of. To me, the poll seemed poorly worded and I don't know if it was 'all adults' or a more reliable methodology.

583 The Sanity Inspector  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:11:12pm

'Night.

Youtube Video
584 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:11:19pm

re: #575 Irenicum

It's nice to see lots of hot threads again. Hundreds and even thousands of comments show that this site is still an important voice in understanding that there is a perspective out there that isn't completely "out there." Sanity still has a place. And with sanity there is hope.

yup, but half the comments are about pots and pans and cats...that's cool tho

585 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:11:32pm

re: #560 austin_blue

Just a drive-by, and it's late, but a CNN poll (agreed, notoriously unreliable) puts the response at 84% positive (good or fair) and 26% poor.

And "lier" doesn't mean what you think it means.


Noted: I should have written Obama is a liar. Thanks.

I'll ignore your citing a poll as though that is supposed to prove me wrong. Everyone makes a mistake.

Windsago, do not label me a hater. You do not know me well enough to know what I believe.

586 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:11:43pm

re: #578 windsagio

you know how it is; nobody wants a serious flame war.

You didn't tap for mana!
/sheesh.

587 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:12:14pm

re: #576 albusteve

BO will never, ever go for clean coal, oil, gas and nukes...no way, no how...he will pander here and there at best...bet me...he utterly trashed and shamed the coal industry in his campaign...the guy is a monumental, serial liar


we can only hope that losing one or more house will take the reigns in so to speak..,

588 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:12:28pm

re: #571 albusteve

pretty good playing and fair arrangements...could be a big thing if they catch on to the right people...it's hard, as you well know, I'm sure

They've been playing pretty much full time since (I believe) the 90s and tour around the US and internationally. They're doing pretty good.

589 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:12:43pm

re: #585 Stuart Leviton

Noted: I should have written Obama is a liar. Thanks.

I'll ignore your citing a poll as though that is supposed to prove me wrong. Everyone makes a mistake.

Windsago, do not label me a hater. You do not know me well enough to know what I believe.

He knows enough grammar and vocabulary to read what you've written, though.

590 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:12:55pm

re: #585 Stuart Leviton

I calls 'em as I sees 'em.

591 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:13:00pm

re: #576 albusteve

BO will never, ever go for clean coal, oil, gas and nukes...no way, no how...he will pander here and there at best...bet me...he utterly trashed and shamed the coal industry in his campaign...the guy is a monumental, serial liar

Whoa! Coal is a beast. There is no such thing as clean coal, especially the bituminous variety that is mined and burned in Texas. Huge (relative) quantities of mercury (1,000 pounds from Big Brown alone, California emits 6 pounds a year).

Obama's call for nuclear was spot on on.

592 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:13:12pm

Lol, MJ is still downdinging me.
XD

593 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:13:15pm

re: #582 Dark_Falcon

About railroads, nuclear power, offshore drilling, and clean coal I have no objection. That's part of the reason I distrust that CNN poll. Almost everyone will have found more than one item in the SOTU that they approve of. To me, the poll seemed poorly worded and I don't know if it was 'all adults' or a more reliable methodology.

the CNN poll is junk...please, gimme a break

594 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:13:26pm

re: #586 Varek Raith

heh. I wonder if theres a magic card for every commonly used phrase now >>

595 Irenicum  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:13:34pm

re: #584 albusteve

True. It doesn't all hafta be about the flame-worthy stuff. I like the current feel.

596 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:13:36pm

re: #592 Varek Raith

Lol, MJ is still downdinging me.
XD

Here, have an arbitrary upding for the hell of it.

597 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:14:14pm

re: #592 Varek Raith

I love how that works. Theres a ton of them, especially late at night... Its kinda hypnotic to watch.

598 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:14:20pm

re: #591 austin_blue

Whoa! Coal is a beast. There is no such thing as clean coal, especially the bituminous variety that is mined and burned in Texas. Huge (relative) quantities of mercury (1,000 pounds from Big Brown alone, California emits 6 pounds a year).

Obama's call for nuclear was spot on on.

Interesting to see if he can get it off th gound in any kind of a way.

599 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:14:29pm

re: #591 austin_blue

Whoa! Coal is a beast. There is no such thing as clean coal, especially the bituminous variety that is mined and burned in Texas. Huge (relative) quantities of mercury (1,000 pounds from Big Brown alone, California emits 6 pounds a year).

Obama's call for nuclear was spot on on.

so was his call for jobs and less spending... now do you actually see any of that happening?

600 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:14:59pm

Time for bed. See you all tomorrow.

601 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:15:03pm

re: #596 JasonA

Here, have an arbitrary upding for the hell of it.

Thanks, I don't get it, I didn't say anything controversial...(eh, who am I kidding, I know why!)
:D

602 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:15:09pm

re: #592 Varek Raith

Lol, MJ is still downdinging me.
XD

Have an upding, to offset!

603 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:15:51pm

re: #601 Varek Raith

the other thing about it is...

whose afraid to actually argue with someone on a blog?

I mean if he has a problem, he should come out with it!

604 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:15:57pm

re: #599 brookly red

so was his call for jobs and less spending... now do you actually see any of that happening?

One can only hope. The call for a decrease in taxes for small businesses (which create most of the jobs in this country) were well said.

605 Stuart Leviton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:16:01pm

re: #566 brookly red

I never thought he was naive or ignorant...


Hi Brooklyn, on foreign policy Obama fits the bill for both. My apologies for unfortunately calling Obama naive and ignorant on domestic policy. The guy is smart and well educated.

606 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:16:33pm

re: #594 windsagio

heh. I wonder if theres a magic card for every commonly used phrase now >>

You betcha!

607 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:17:13pm

re: #591 austin_blue

Whoa! Coal is a beast. There is no such thing as clean coal, especially the bituminous variety that is mined and burned in Texas. Huge (relative) quantities of mercury (1,000 pounds from Big Brown alone, California emits 6 pounds a year).

Obama's call for nuclear was spot on on.

it was....will Congress deliver?...I thought the remark, insomuch as including clean coal, was astounding in view of his earlier position

608 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:17:29pm

re: #603 windsagio

the other thing about it is...

whose afraid to actually argue with someone on a blog?

I mean if he has a problem, he should come out with it!

Serious lack of shit to do

609 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:17:46pm

re: #563 albusteve

no kidding?...I have 3 years of letters between my mom and dad from 42 to 45 while he served in the pacific...it's one of my most valued treasures...my dad is gone and my mom doesn't even know I have them...some racy stuff between newlyweds that were separated by time, distance and war

My mom & dad are both alert and well aware of the value of their documents. The only problem is that my mom holds on to the originals and won't give them up. I said, what do you want me to do? I'm leaving on Monday.

They have a scanner. Never used. I could scan some and then show my mom how to scan and send me the JPGs. Which she'll say, I have a bunch of time since my dad's memoirs are already "in the computer."

610 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:17:47pm

re: #606 Varek Raith

I was gonna do this, but I'm too lazy to look up any good art.

611 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:18:22pm

re: #604 austin_blue

One can only hope. The call for a decrease in taxes for small businesses (which create most of the jobs in this country) were well said.

well if he does half of what he said he would I will vote for him... but well you know.

612 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:18:23pm

re: #607 albusteve

it was...will Congress deliver?...I thought the remark, insomuch as including clean coal, was astounding in view of his earlier position

He's a pragmatist, at heart, I think. There are not many other choices.

613 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:18:52pm

re: #575 Irenicum

It's nice to see lots of hot threads again. Hundreds and even thousands of comments show that this site is still an important voice in understanding that there is a perspective out there that isn't completely "out there." Sanity still has a place. And with sanity there is hope.

Nah. There's just, like, twelve of us here. Dominating and what not.
/John Dee off

614 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:19:00pm

re: #612 austin_blue

its fun reading the far left on that. They really wanted a 'storm the walls' kinda guy.

615 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:19:02pm

re: #563 albusteve

no kidding?...I have 3 years of letters between my mom and dad from 42 to 45 while he served in the pacific...it's one of my most valued treasures...my dad is gone and my mom doesn't even know I have them...some racy stuff between newlyweds that were separated by time, distance and war

Where did you dad serve? Was he in the Navy? Maybe he knew my dad? Even if he didn't, how many WW2 US Pacific vets are there?

616 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:19:10pm

re: #611 brookly red

well if he does half of what he said he would I will vote for him... but well you know.

Yes. I do.

617 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:19:55pm

re: #609 Alouette

My mom & dad are both alert and well aware of the value of their documents. The only problem is that my mom holds on to the originals and won't give them up. I said, what do you want me to do? I'm leaving on Monday.

They have a scanner. Never used. I could scan some and then show my mom how to scan and send me the JPGs. Which she'll say, I have a bunch of time since my dad's memoirs are already "in the computer."

just steal them...make something up, like a TV show

618 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:20:02pm

The most used internet forum magic card.
:D

619 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:20:35pm

re: #618 Varek Raith

lol, thats great >>

620 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:20:39pm

re: #614 windsagio

its fun reading the far left on that. They really wanted a 'storm the walls' kinda guy.

Life member of the Sierra Club. Nuclear has to be in the mix.

621 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:20:39pm

re: #609 Alouette

Scan them yourself, if you can.
Try to explain how much these documents would mean to your children.
You could promise to hold off distributing them, untill your folks are gone, if that's what they would prefer.
If your folks are like mine, you're going to have to do it yourself.

Good luck!

622 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:20:45pm

re: #592 Varek Raith

Lol, MJ is still downdinging me.
XD

Come on out MJ, you chickenshit stealth dinger!

/hat tip Salamantis

623 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:21:40pm

re: #607 albusteve

it was...will Congress deliver?...I thought the remark, insomuch as including clean coal, was astounding in view of his earlier position

they used to call that a flip flop...

624 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:21:51pm

I love how with the younger crowd, politics may pull us apart, but geekiness always pulls us together :D

625 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:22:08pm

re: #622 Dark_Falcon

SNIFF.
I miss Salamantis.

626 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:22:10pm

re: #622 Dark_Falcon

Come on out MJ, you chickenshit stealth dinger!

/hat tip Salamantis

Awww, not there no more...:(

627 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:22:15pm

re: #623 brookly red

they used to call that a flip flop...

Now they call it pragmatism, or should.

628 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:22:38pm

re: #623 brookly red

Clean coal was a terrible idea and a boondoggle from the start. One of the things I liked least in the SOTU was him still going to that. Its simply buying appalachian votes.

629 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:22:40pm

re: #624 windsagio

I love how with the younger crowd, politics may pull us apart, but geekiness always pulls us together :D

Unless we start playing Halo together, in which case your asses are mine.

630 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:23:03pm

re: #629 JasonA

Unless we start playing Halo together, in which case your asses are mine.

Gotta get the SWORD!11!!1

631 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:23:23pm

re: #629 JasonA

Unless we start playing Halo together, in which case your asses are mine.

HEH!
Or, not!

632 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:23:32pm

re: #615 Alouette

Where did you dad serve? Was he in the Navy? Maybe he knew my dad? Even if he didn't, how many WW2 US Pacific vets are there?

Marine Corp...2d
Tarawa, Saipan/Tinian, Okinawa
3 Hearts and a Bronze Star
my dad was my hero and still is....I miss him terribly

633 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:23:36pm

re: #629 JasonA

a good test of friendship is how well you can handle an ass-beating.

634 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:24:27pm

re: #617 albusteve

just steal them...make something up, like a TV show

I'm here to fix your phones? (No shit, since I've been here I have fixed two printers)

635 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:24:38pm

re: #627 austin_blue

Now they call it pragmatism, or should.

it's only pragmatism if you actually do it... if you just say you are going to do it and don't there is another name for it.

636 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:24:44pm

re: #633 windsagio

You always hurt the one you love...or is that the other way around...

637 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:25:13pm

re: #636 PT Barnum

well that depends on what yer into, y'know?

638 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:25:19pm

re: #623 brookly red

they used to call that a flip flop...

now people just turn and say...oh well!
no principle...I hate the feds

639 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:25:57pm

re: #625 Floral Giraffe

SNIFF.
I miss Salamantis.

Was going to ask earlier.. what up with Sal?

640 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:25:58pm

re: #637 windsagio

Image: WW_28_The_Basic_Moral.jpg

641 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:26:07pm

re: #637 windsagio

I like whipped cream at 20 paces, or is that too much information?

642 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:26:11pm

re: #628 windsagio

Clean coal was a terrible idea and a boondoggle from the start. One of the things I liked least in the SOTU was him still going to that. Its simply buying appalachian votes.

Maybe not. The concept of trapping CO2, pipelining it to oil production areas and injecting into the the ground to assist in secondary recovery is not a blue sky concept. It's just real regional.

643 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:26:50pm

I rented "The Taking Of Pelham 1 2 3", the new version, for the hubby to watch this weekend. Has anyone seen it?

644 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:26:54pm

re: #634 Alouette

I'm here to fix your phones? (No shit, since I've been here I have fixed two printers)

send mom out for lunch and do the deed...steal the stuff and replace it with newspaper, like in the movies

645 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:26:55pm

re: #635 brookly red

it's only pragmatism if you actually do it... if you just say you are going to do it and don't there is another name for it.

Yes. Congress.

646 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:27:06pm

re: #642 austin_blue

Hmm, I'll have to do some reading 'bout it.

647 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:27:13pm

re: #630 Varek Raith

Gotta get the SWORD!11!!1

Keep it, I'm a shotgun guy, myself.

648 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:28:09pm

re: #647 JasonA

Keep it, I'm a shotgun guy, myself.

Sniper, myself.

649 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:28:43pm

re: #647 JasonA

re: #648 Varek Raith

To my shame, I don't actually own Halo. I never could get behind console FPS'

650 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:29:22pm

/OK I gotta go get ready for my shovel ready stimulus green job. night all.

651 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:29:28pm

re: #649 windsagio

re: #648 Varek Raith

To my shame, I don't actually own Halo. I never could get behind console FPS'

I'm a sniper in every FPS I've ever played. It's what I excel at.
Close range...not so much.

652 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:29:57pm

Would you tear the wings off of a beautiful butterfly if you would get an all expenses paid vacation to the place of your choice?

653 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:30:03pm

re: #642 austin_blue

Why not just make Fizzy Lifting Drinks? (I tried to find a video but didn't have any luck)

654 brookly red  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:30:04pm

re: #648 Varek Raith

Sniper, myself.

bomb thrower... runs in the family.

655 albusteve  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:30:11pm

whatever...
I'm out like Brett Favre

656 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:30:28pm

re: #651 Varek Raith

I'm a 'take a MSG, run up, and spray like crazy' kinda guy.

Insane courage works surprisingly well sometimes >>

657 recusancy  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:30:37pm

re: #607 albusteve

it was...will Congress deliver?...I thought the remark, insomuch as including clean coal, was astounding in view of his earlier position

He was a proponent of clean coal during the campaign to the annoyance of myself and many others.

658 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:30:46pm

re: #639 cliffster

I think Charles posted that he was having ?Creationist? issues.
Pretty sure that was it, but not 100%.

659 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:30:58pm

re: #648 Varek Raith

Sniper, myself.

Well, obviously I was talking about close quarters since you brought up the sword :P Otherwise I like the BR.

660 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:31:01pm

re: #632 albusteve

Marine Corp...2d
Tarawa, Saipan/Tinian, Okinawa
3 Hearts and a Bronze Star
my dad was my hero and still is...I miss him terribly

He fought in some of the toughest battles of WWII (though you knew that already). That's a man to respect. I know its been played often here, but this song is truly my favorite to commemorate men such as he:

Youtube Video
661 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:31:14pm

re: #656 windsagio

lol what the?

Sub-machine gun. Not Monosodium Glutemate.

662 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:31:51pm

re: #659 JasonA

Well, obviously I was talking about close quarters since you brought up the sword :P Otherwise I like the BR.

Oh, the sword part was a joke at newbs, since they always seem to go for it.
:)

663 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:31:55pm

re: #661 windsagio

lol what the?

Sub-machine gun. Not Monosodium Glutemate.

I had this vision of you pelting people with fried rice and egg rolls.

664 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:32:04pm

re: #649 windsagio

re: #648 Varek Raith

To my shame, I don't actually own Halo. I never could get behind console FPS'

Nothing to be ashamed of. It was a big adjustment for me, too. I think Red Faction is what really got me to think that console's could do it well.

665 allegro  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:32:19pm

re: #615 Alouette

W

here did you dad serve? Was he in the Navy? Maybe he knew my dad? Even if he didn't, how many WW2 US Pacific vets are there?

Thousands. My dad was one of those Pacific vets. He never would speak of it. After his death in 1991, I found a lot of paperwork that told a bit of a story of his experiences and qualifications then. Quite impressive. They told a story of a man I didn't know as my "daddy". They explained all those medals and "playthings" we found in his army trunk when we were little kids that he let us play with. They showed me that my gentle daddy was quite the warrior when called upon to be so, even if that was not his nature.

666 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:32:40pm

Adios, my dear Lizards.

Time for the rack.

Be nice to each other. It's a big tent.

Or damn well should be.

667 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:33:01pm

Tea Party fail....
Brown tells AP he'll sometimes side with Democrats

Socialist!

668 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:33:26pm

re: #665 allegro

God bless him & you for having a Dad like that!

669 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:33:54pm

re: #667 Killgore Trout

Tea Party fail...
Brown tells AP he'll sometimes side with Democrats

Socialist!

ZOMG, HEADS ASPLODING!

670 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:34:08pm

re: #667 Killgore Trout

LOL!
Hi KT!
How are you this fine day?

671 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:34:12pm

re: #658 Floral Giraffe

I think Charles posted that he was having ?Creationist? issues.
Pretty sure that was it, but not 100%.

Sal was never banned, but he stopped posting here after an epic flame war with Ludwig. I miss him too.

672 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:34:21pm

re: #665 allegro

My father in law is a WW2 Pacific Vet. He's 92 and we're lucky to have him around, still alert and able to talk about his experiences. He flew rescue in the Pacific, never saw action, but rescued a few pilots that got shot down.

Came back home with $4000 in poker winnings by the time he was done.

673 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:34:42pm

Colbert's ragging on McDonnell now. Brilliant.

674 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:35:04pm

re: #671 Dark_Falcon

now that you mention it, ludwig's been MIA for a while too...

675 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:35:47pm

re: #671 Dark_Falcon

Sal was never banned, but he stopped posting here after an epic flame war with Ludwig. I miss him too.

Was that on an AGW thread? I think I remember it.
/before I registered.

676 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:35:47pm

re: #671 Dark_Falcon

Sal was never banned, but he stopped posting here after an epic flame war with Ludwig. I miss him too.

Yes, I checked his profile and there wasn't the (sadly) standard "This user account has been locked". Well, hope you're doing good Sal.

677 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:36:11pm

re: #674 windsagio

now that you mention it, ludwig's been MIA for a while too...

Some OTHER posters have lives....
Just saying...

I'm not one of them, BTW.

678 sngnsgt  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:36:24pm

re: #28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

LOL! That just ran my entire address book!

679 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:36:32pm

re: #657 recusancy

He was a proponent of clean coal during the campaign to the annoyance of myself and many others.

Clean coal is bad because....

680 simoom  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:37:06pm

Sen Judd Gregg in a strange interview on MSNBC. Contessa Brewer and Melissa Francis lead a relatively tame interview that grows progressively more confrontational as Gregg becomes incensed:

Youtube Video

As an aside, that's really "the most irresponsible statatement by a reporter" Gregg has heard in a month? :P

681 recusancy  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:37:07pm

re: #679 The Shadow Do

Clean coal is bad because...

No such thing.

682 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:37:16pm

re: #679 The Shadow Do

Clean coal is bad because...

It can never really be "clean" is my bet!

683 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:37:39pm

re: #681 recusancy

No such thing.

I see.

684 Aye Pod  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:37:51pm

re: #658 Floral Giraffe

I think Charles posted that he was having ?Creationist? issues.
Pretty sure that was it, but not 100%.

Sal would metaphorically kill you for saying that. He was LGF's creationist stomper in chief. It was the AGW issue he came unstuck over.

685 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:37:52pm

re: #682 Floral Giraffe

It can never really be "clean" is my bet!

No..it's dirty, dirty coal..and must be punished!

686 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:38:13pm

re: #670 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Hi KT!
How are you this fine day?

I am actually quite spectacularly fine. I'm working on buying a house on the southern Oregon coast and I'm very excited by the possibilities available to me. trying not to get my hopes up too high but I'm pretty excited.
How's it with you?

687 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:38:21pm

re: #685 PT Barnum

No..it's dirty, dirty coal..and must be punished!

kinky.

688 The Shadow Do  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:38:43pm

Coal is black

689 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:38:58pm

re: #643 prairiefire

I rented "The Taking Of Pelham 1 2 3", the new version, for the hubby to watch this weekend. Has anyone seen it?

I watched on the airplane coming back from Israel last fall. I guess it's OK for a rental.

DO NOT RENT "Avatar" when it comes out on DVD. This must be seen in IMAX or 3D or else it's freaking lame.

690 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:39:29pm

re: #652 Silvergirl

Would you tear the wings off of a beautiful butterfly if you would get an all expenses paid vacation to the place of your choice?

C'mon people, help me out. The little thing is flapping its wings like crazy. I've got to decide!

691 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:39:47pm

re: #688 The Shadow Do

Black is Black

Youtube Video
692 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:39:58pm

re: #652 Silvergirl

Would you tear the wings off of a beautiful butterfly if you would get an all expenses paid vacation to the place of your choice?

No.

693 Aye Pod  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:39:58pm

re: #674 windsagio

now that you mention it, ludwig's been MIA for a while too...

Ludwig is working at the moment. He's always taken breaks away from here for work - I expect he'll be back :)

694 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:40:03pm

re: #690 Silvergirl

C'mon people, help me out. The little thing is flapping its wings like crazy. I've got to decide!

If it's dead go for it.

695 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:40:06pm

re: #690 Silvergirl

C'mon people, help me out. The little thing is flapping its wings like crazy. I've got to decide!

Which pill did you take, the red or blue one?
/:)

696 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:40:16pm

re: #689 Alouette

Thanks. He needs something to do when I list on ebay.
Cheers, lizards.

697 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:40:48pm

re: #694 JasonA

If it's dead go for it.

No, it's perfectly healthy.

698 allegro  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:41:10pm

re: #668 Floral Giraffe

God bless him & you for having a Dad like that!

'

Indeed, and thank you for sharing with me how much I miss him and my mom. We never grow too old to miss their wisdom and strength.

699 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:41:25pm

re: #636 PT Barnum

You always hurt the one you love...or is that the other way around...

Depends on how you choose to define the term "love", and also how much money you're willing to spend.

700 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:41:28pm

re: #644 albusteve

send mom out for lunch and do the deed...steal the stuff and replace it with newspaper, like in the movies

I know where she keeps the letters. If I take them by stealth she will guilt me to death, even though she wants me to edit them for publication.

701 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:41:32pm

re: #658 Floral Giraffe

I think Charles posted that he was having ?Creationist? issues.
Pretty sure that was it, but not 100%.

Climate change, I thought. Sal was solid on evolution.

702 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:41:36pm

re: #695 Varek Raith

Which pill did you take, the red or blue one?
/:)

Neither. I'm still deciding on the one pill that makes you larger and one pill that makes you small.

703 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:41:57pm

re: #697 Silvergirl

No, it's perfectly healthy.

Then that's quite the dilemma you have there.

704 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:42:24pm

re: #703 JasonA

Then that's quite the dilemma you have there.

Not for me!
[Dark Side Points Gained]

705 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:42:30pm

re: #675 Varek Raith

Was that on an AGW thread? I think I remember it.
/before I registered.

Yes, it was an AGW thread. Sal was not a big believer in AGW and Ludwig and he got into it repeatedly over various data sets. I can't call it a 'nerd war' because Sal had far too many harrowing experiences to be a nerd. That man has 'seen the elephant' more than once.

706 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:42:42pm

re: #700 Alouette

I know where she keeps the letters. If I take them by stealth she will guilt me to death, even though she wants me to edit them for publication.

I knew a masochist who would go to a sadistic dominatrix. He'd say hurt me, she'd say No!

707 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:43:09pm

re: #692 SanFranciscoZionist

No.

Would you crush a cockroach for the same vacation deal?

708 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:43:24pm

re: #669 Varek Raith

ZOMG, HEADS ASPLODING!

I think that once upon a time, that used to be a normal and expected thing to say.

709 cliffster  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:44:04pm

okee dokee, time for me to retire. As always, peace and purpose to you all. May your purpose be peace, and my your peace be purposeful.

710 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:44:09pm

re: #704 Varek Raith

Not for me!
[Dark Side Points Gained]

Hit 'im with the Force Lightning Bolts, Raith!

711 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:44:43pm

re: #694 JasonA

If it's dead go for it.

Well OK, if it's dead. Go ahead.

712 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:44:46pm

re: #632 albusteve

Marine Corp...2d
Tarawa, Saipan/Tinian, Okinawa
3 Hearts and a Bronze Star
my dad was my hero and still is...I miss him terribly

My dad was an aerographer's mate aboard the USS White Plains and never saw action, even though his ship crossed the Pacific on supply runs five times.

That's the reason he's 91 years old and has 10 grandchildren and 24 great-grandchildren.

My husband's uncle, was an adjutant in the US Army aboard the USS Henrico and he was killed by a kamikaze attack.

713 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:44:50pm

well I gotta get up in the AM and go to work..so I will bid you all adieu..or adon't if you're into that sort of thing...

714 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:46:15pm

re: #690 Silvergirl

C'mon people, help me out. The little thing is flapping its wings like crazy. I've got to decide!

Do it! It's a freaking butterfly. It's gonna die in one day anyhow. Or at least until it migrates from Canada to the southernmost bottom of Chile.

715 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:47:03pm

re: #684 Jimmah

Is Mea Culpa the right apology?

716 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:50:25pm

re: #707 Silvergirl

Would you crush a cockroach for the same vacation deal?

Harder question. Roaches are vermin in homes, while butterflies pose no threat to humans. Also, squishing it as opposed to torturing it by tearing off the wings--quick kill, not messing it up.

But I'm still inclined to say no, because I just don't know about someone who is willing to pay me to kill animals.

Now, I would fumigate a house for an all-expenses paid trip.

717 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:50:41pm

Best Dark Side Power eveh!

Force Crush

It was possibly the darkest Force ability known to both the Sith and the Jedi. This deadly ability lifted the opponent into the air, and as he/she was floating, his/her body literally imploded as it was crushed by the Force. Common among followers of the dark side, by 3,951 BBY many Force users (rarely Jedi) could use the ability. During the latter part of the Clone Wars, Mace Windu used Force Crush on General Grievous as Grievous was attempting to transfer his captive Palpatine to the Invisible Hand, thus crushing one of the few organs he had left: his lungs. This was in part responsible for his constant choking and coughing throughout the rest of his life. Though his lungs could have been repaired with surgery, he didn't live long enough to get it. Darth Vader, who would not hesitate to use Force Crush and similar techniques on Imperial personnel that he deemed incompetent, was capable of crushing small vehicles on the battlefield. Even during the end of the Clone Wars, Anakin displayed this power on Nelvaan when he used it to break the Techno Union scientist before his attempt to escape.
718 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:50:51pm

re: #686 Killgore Trout

I am actually quite spectacularly fine. I'm working on buying a house on the southern Oregon coast and I'm very excited by the possibilities available to me. trying not to get my hopes up too high but I'm pretty excited.
How's it with you?

That's very exciting!
I hope your greatest expectations are exceeded!
I became an official homeowner, yesterday.
It was my Uncle's house, and it's in a lovely neighborhood, and has had some work done to it, but needs more. Your basic "good boned" 1950's
post war building boom house. Solid, nothing fancy!

How "southern" in Oregon?
I have a friend in Bandon. It's really lovely there.

719 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:50:52pm

re: #705 Dark_Falcon

now now, I know quite a few nerd Marines, and even knew a nerd SEAL once >>

720 Interesting Times  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:50:59pm

re: #714 Alouette

Do it! It's a freaking butterfly.

I wouldn't dismiss it quite so casually... ;)

The Butterfly effect

721 soap_man  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:51:14pm

If they hold onto this lead, your Chicago Blackhawks will have the top record in the NHL.

(Yeah, I know. Nobody cares about hockey. Blah, blah, blah.)

722 allegro  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:52:30pm

re: #672 PT Barnum

My father in law is a WW2 Pacific Vet. He's 92 and we're lucky to have him around, still alert and able to talk about his experiences. He flew rescue in the Pacific, never saw action, but rescued a few pilots that got shot down.

Came back home with $4000 in poker winnings by the time he was done.

LOL Much of my dad's WWII experience was in Hawaii getting laid, though he continuously put in requests for active duty. He was an army weapons instructor, one of those high IQ guys they apparently held back until the actual occupation of Japan. He was fortunate that Japan surrendered as he was on the ship to invade or occupy Japan, as the case might be.

723 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:52:41pm

re: #718 Floral Giraffe

That's very exciting!
I hope your greatest expectations are exceeded!
I became an official homeowner, yesterday.
It was my Uncle's house, and it's in a lovely neighborhood, and has had some work done to it, but needs more. Your basic "good boned" 1950's
post war building boom house. Solid, nothing fancy!

How "southern" in Oregon?
I have a friend in Bandon. It's really lovely there.

Mazal tov on the house.

724 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:52:45pm

re: #714 Alouette

Do it! It's a freaking butterfly. It's gonna die in one day anyhow. Or at least until it migrates from Canada to the southernmost bottom of Chile.

See? That makes it easier. That's the answer I would give now. When I was asked the butterfly question a long time ago I said I wouldn't do it. Then the followup was the cockroach question. Would I crush a cockroach for the same vacation deal? I said yes. So I had to wonder why one was worthy to live and one wasn't. So now I say they're both goners for the sake of my vacation. The truly noble won't harm either of them, I suppose.

725 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:54:23pm

re: #724 Silvergirl

See? That makes it easier. That's the answer I would give now. When I was asked the butterfly question a long time ago I said I wouldn't do it. Then the followup was the cockroach question. Would I crush a cockroach for the same vacation deal? I said yes. So I had to wonder why one was worthy to live and one wasn't. So now I say they're both goners for the sake of my vacation. The truly noble won't harm either of them, I suppose.

Now that you've worked out your answer, the question is: have you actually found anyone to make the offer?

726 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:54:43pm

re: #716 SanFranciscoZionist

Harder question. Roaches are vermin in homes, while butterflies pose no threat to humans. Also, squishing it as opposed to torturing it by tearing off the wings--quick kill, not messing it up.

But I'm still inclined to say no, because I just don't know about someone who is willing to pay me to kill animals.

Now, I would fumigate a house for an all-expenses paid trip.

That made me laugh. I can handle the fumigating too. Less personal.

727 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:55:27pm

re: #704 Varek Raith

:Dismembers Mr. Nixon Doll:

[You taught Curtis that life is cruel and unfair. You gain 100 experience.]

728 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:55:39pm

re: #723 SanFranciscoZionist

Thank you. I've lived here for 3 years. I can now do what I want to it!
(It needs some work, like an improved kitchen! Originall 1954 formica floor!)

729 Aye Pod  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:55:42pm

re: #715 Floral Giraffe

Is Mea Culpa the right apology?

Yes. Go now, and sin no more ;-)

Image: pope_children.JPG

730 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:56:07pm

re: #725 SanFranciscoZionist

Now that you've worked out your answer, the question is: have you actually found anyone to make the offer?

No! Can you believe someone would actually have me make a hard decision and not come through with the trip? Ah, life!

731 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:57:05pm

re: #729 Jimmah

Yes. Go now, and sin no more ;-)

[Link: www.newamerica.net...]

DAMNIT Man, you KNOW I can't promise that.
But, I will try to do better!

732 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 8:57:42pm

re: #721 soap_man

If they hold onto this lead, your Chicago Blackhawks will have the top record in the NHL.

(Yeah, I know. Nobody cares about hockey. Blah, blah, blah.)

I care, though it's mostly Chicago Pride that one of our team's actually has a chance at winning it all this year. Go Hawks!

733 sagehen  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:00:17pm

re: #722 allegro

LOL Much of my dad's WWII experience was in Hawaii getting laid, though he continuously put in requests for active duty. He was an army weapons instructor, one of those high IQ guys they apparently held back until the actual occupation of Japan. He was fortunate that Japan surrendered as he was on the ship to invade or occupy Japan, as the case might be.

That's more interesting than my dad's.

He was on a base on the west coast where trainloads of soldiers would pass through on their way to catch a ship. Before going aboard and shipping out they got dinner; my dad was the guy dishing out the meal. After a couple of years of that, it turned into a base where shiploads of soldiers would pass through on their way to catch a train. And there was a dad, still dishing out dinner.

He also cleaned grease traps, and played a lot of poker.

734 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:01:00pm

I just learned about this on the Colbert Report:
Whites-Only Basketball League: All-American Basketball Alliance Bans Blacks, Foreigners

Ouch.

735 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:02:34pm

re: #734 JasonA

From the article.

The league's commissioner, Don "Moose" Lewis, claims that he doesn't "hate anyone of color. But people of white, American-born citizens are in the minority now." Thus, he says, the All-American Basketball Alliance would be "a league for white players to play fundamental basketball, which they like."

Yeesh!

736 soap_man  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:02:34pm

re: #732 Dark_Falcon

I care, though it's mostly Chicago Pride that one of our team's actually has a chance at winning it all this year. Go Hawks!

Damn straight. I need something to get me through the winter.

re: #734 JasonA

I just learned about this on the Colbert Report:
Whites-Only Basketball League: All-American Basketball Alliance Bans Blacks, Foreigners

"Snowball vs. Broball" is what that dick is calling it.
Ouch.

737 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:03:27pm

Ewe, I'm reading about the new book by John Edwards' former campaign manager guy. He found a freaking sex tape.

738 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:03:45pm

re: #735 Varek Raith

From the article.

Yeesh!

How can you call it "All-American" when you exclude so many?

739 soap_man  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:04:22pm

re: #736 soap_man

Oops, excuse my poor formatting. I misfired on that one.

740 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:04:51pm

re: #718 Floral Giraffe


I became an official homeowner, yesterday.


Congratulations!

How "southern" in Oregon?
I have a friend in Bandon. It's really lovely there.


I'm looking the Bandon Coos Bay area. I'm a little concerned about Bandon because it's an hour drive to a doctor or a decent grocery store but there are some very cool properties in my price range.

741 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:05:16pm

re: #734 JasonA

I just learned about this on the Colbert Report:
Whites-Only Basketball League: All-American Basketball Alliance Bans Blacks, Foreigners

Ouch.

I can't figure out how this is legal.

742 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:07:01pm

re: #741 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't figure out how this is legal.

It's a private club so they can do pretty much whatever they want. There are still country clubs and golf courses that don't accept Jews or blacks. It's still legal.

743 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:07:22pm

re: #741 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't figure out how this is legal.

Aren't there still white only country clubs?

744 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:08:18pm

re: #733 sagehen

That's more interesting than my dad's.

He was on a base on the west coast where trainloads of soldiers would pass through on their way to catch a ship. Before going aboard and shipping out they got dinner; my dad was the guy dishing out the meal. After a couple of years of that, it turned into a base where shiploads of soldiers would pass through on their way to catch a train. And there was a dad, still dishing out dinner.

He also cleaned grease traps, and played a lot of poker.

My grandfather on my mother's side served as a bombardier on B-25's in New Guinea. He was shot down on mission twice, and the second time Japanese fighters shot down the flying boat that had rescued him. It should be noted that shooting down Search And Rescue (SAR) flying was uniquely Japanese atrocity. None of the other major powers did such things routinely, not even the Germans.

My father's father did not serve. By the time Pearl Harbor had been bombed he was 28 and had a young child (my father, eldest of 6 children). Moreover, he was a pure ethnic German, and though not interned (he had been born in the US) the local draft board did not want him in the military.

745 sngnsgt  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:08:46pm

re: #721 soap_man

Upding cuz I'm a puck-head, I care about Hockey! I'm from PA though, Go Pens!

746 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:09:03pm

re: #742 Killgore Trout

It's a private club so they can do pretty much whatever they want. There are still country clubs and golf courses that don't accept Jews or blacks. It's still legal.

I wouldn't want to belong to any club that would take me as a member. /Groucho

Groucho also said of a private swimming club: "My wife isn't Jewish, so will they let my kid go into the pool up to his knees?"

747 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:09:09pm

re: #742 Killgore Trout

It's a private club so they can do pretty much whatever they want. There are still country clubs and golf courses that don't accept Jews or blacks. It's still legal.

Sigh. Yeah, I guess so.

What kind of a person lets their kid join such a thing?

748 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:09:42pm

re: #744 Dark_Falcon

My grandfather was a cook on a destroyer in the Pacific. Give me a couple day and I'll dig up the ship's name.

749 soap_man  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:10:03pm

re: #741 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't figure out how this is legal.

I'm willing to bet that, when you get right down to it, few people really care. At least not enough to litigate. Good black players will make more money in semi-pro, the minors or overseas than they ever would in this league. Besides, the ultimate goal is to get to the NBA, and I bet the pros will avoid any association with this league like the plague.

750 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:10:15pm

re: #747 SanFranciscoZionist

Sigh. Yeah, I guess so.

What kind of a person lets their kid join such a thing?

Their kid didn't make the regular team?

751 Interesting Times  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:10:58pm

re: #730 Silvergirl

No! Can you believe someone would actually have me make a hard decision and not come through with the trip? Ah, life!

Reminds me of a TV show I saw years ago...some kind of Twilight Zone knock-off...anyway, the plot involved a married couple, expecting their first child and in serious financial trouble. They were given a device with a single button, the pressing of which would result in two things:

1) They'd get a million dollars
2) Someone they didn't know would die

After much consternation and rationalizing, the couple pushed the button. As promised, they got the money...and a few months later, the woman miscarried.

752 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:11:45pm

re: #740 Killgore Trout

My friend who lives in Bandon, is born & raised there, might be third generation & a cranberry farmer. If you would like a "local connection" let me know. Nicest man, well one of the nicest men I know. He'd be DELIGHTED to share his local knowlege with a friend of a friend. Nic is blue. I think his local knowlege would indeed be valuable for you.

753 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:12:04pm

re: #751 publicityStunted

Reminds me of a TV show I saw years ago...some kind of Twilight Zone knock-off...anyway, the plot involved a married couple, expecting their first child and in serious financial trouble. They were given a device with a single button, the pressing of which would result in two things:

1) They'd get a million dollars
2) Someone they didn't know would die

After much consternation and rationalizing, the couple pushed the button. As promised, they got the money...and a few months later, the woman miscarried.


Wasn't that the plot of a movie a few months ago?

754 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:12:32pm

re: #748 Varek Raith

My grandfather was a cook on a destroyer in the Pacific. Give me a couple day and I'll dig up the ship's name.

Do so, and I'll give you the ship's class and history. I own a book that has every destroyer that served in the USN during WWII.

755 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:13:29pm

re: #753 JasonA

Wasn't that the plot of a movie a few months ago?

Yes. It was called The Box, and it starred Frank Langella and Cameron Diaz.

756 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:14:02pm

re: #754 Dark_Falcon

Do so, and I'll give you the ship's class and history. I own a book that has every destroyer that served in the USN during WWII.

Cool!

757 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:14:09pm

re: #741 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't figure out how this is legal.

Actually, now that I think about it more, it sounds like they're talking about a league where people are paid to play. I'm pretty sure it is illegal to discriminate in that case.

758 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:14:36pm

re: #755 Dark_Falcon

Yes. It was called The Box, and it starred Frank Langella and Cameron Diaz.

And Cyclops. James Marsden.

759 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:14:37pm

re: #748 Varek Raith

My grandfather was a cook on a destroyer in the Pacific. Give me a couple day and I'll dig up the ship's name.

My grandfather was dishonorably discharged from the Navy in 1928 for multiple desertions and failure to send part of his pay to his wife and two kids. His name was Walter Hess. Two years later, in 1930, he shows up in New York City, newly married and going by the name Walter Newton.

And in 1950, he went to work for the Navy in Nova Scotia as a civilian procurement officer purchasing items for the new DEW line they were building across the whole of Canada. No one put two and two together, since he took a new name 20 years earlier.

760 soap_man  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:15:35pm

re: #744 Dark_Falcon

My grandfather on my mother's side served as a bombardier on B-25's in New Guinea. He was shot down on mission twice, and the second time Japanese fighters shot down the flying boat that had rescued him. It should be noted that shooting down Search And Rescue (SAR) flying was uniquely Japanese atrocity. None of the other major powers did such things routinely, not even the Germans.

My father's father did not serve. By the time Pearl Harbor had been bombed he was 28 and had a young child (my father, eldest of 6 children). Moreover, he was a pure ethnic German, and though not interned (he had been born in the US) the local draft board did not want him in the military.

Slightly related story:

My grandfather (now deceased) served in WWII. He had this nasty scar above his lip and fake front teeth. When I asked as a kid, he would say that it was a war wound. He would usually laugh after saying it, which I always found to be creepy.

After he died, I asked my grandma about it. He did fight in Europe, but was not injured. After the war was over, he was driving around in a convertible with his war buddies, waving and honking as everyone celebrated. The guy that was driving (drunk, she assumes) rear-ended another guy and my grandpa, who was standing on the seat, fell out of the car and busted his lip and teeth.

Hence "war wound."

761 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:16:34pm

re: #752 Floral Giraffe

My friend who lives in Bandon, is born & raised there, might be third generation & a cranberry farmer. If you would like a "local connection" let me know. Nicest man, well one of the nicest men I know. He'd be DELIGHTED to share his local knowlege with a friend of a friend. Nic is blue. I think his local knowlege would indeed be valuable for you.

It's still a little premature, I'm about a month or so away from being able to make an offer on a place but the 1st place on my list is in Bandon. I'd love to have a local connection. I'll let you know if the deal goes through. Much thanks.

762 soap_man  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:17:32pm

re: #745 sngnsgt

Upding cuz I'm a puck-head, I care about Hockey! I'm from PA though, Go Pens!

That's a good team.

763 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:19:49pm

re: #762 soap_man

That's a good team.

Indeed. Penguins vs. Blackhawks would make a great Stanley Cup Finals.

764 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:20:48pm

re: #761 Killgore Trout

You know how it is in a small town, where everybody knows everybody else's business? ( I grew up in one of those). Bandon's kinda a lot like that.
Beautiful, but as you expressed concern, a LONG way form a lot of things.
And, about 1/4 the size of the small town I grew up in. Really beautiful, there. They had the southern most nesting pair of Puffins, on Face Rock, IIRC.

765 soap_man  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:24:04pm

re: #763 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. Penguins vs. Blackhawks would make a great Stanley Cup Finals.

I just hope the Hawks get there. I'm so used to getting disappointed by the teams in this city. (except the '05 White Sox, of course)

766 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:24:23pm

re: #740 Killgore Trout

I'm looking the Bandon Coos Bay area. I'm a little concerned about Bandon because it's an hour drive to a doctor or a decent grocery store but there are some very cool properties in my price range.

I once thought I'd like to live in North Bend--the little community near Coos Bay. I didn't happen.

767 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:25:25pm

*it didn't happen

PIMF

768 sagehen  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:27:20pm

re: #749 soap_man

I'm willing to bet that, when you get right down to it, few people really care. At least not enough to litigate. Good black players will make more money in semi-pro, the minors or overseas than they ever would in this league. Besides, the ultimate goal is to get to the NBA, and I bet the pros will avoid any association with this league like the plague.

I can't imagine any top quality players of any race would join such a league; even if they paid well, a Kiki Vandeweghe would rather... uh, wait, I just wiki'd and see that Kiki was born in Germany. Never mind. How about Kurt Rambis, aka Kyriakos Rambidis (born in California, with dual citizenship, Greek parents)... does he qualify?

769 Silvergirl  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:27:24pm

re: #759 Walter L. Newton

My grandfather was dishonorably discharged from the Navy in 1928 for multiple desertions and failure to send part of his pay to his wife and two kids. His name was Walter Hess. Two years later, in 1930, he shows up in New York City, newly married and going by the name Walter Newton.

And in 1950, he went to work for the Navy in Nova Scotia as a civilian procurement officer purchasing items for the new DEW line they were building across the whole of Canada. No one put two and two together, since he took a new name 20 years earlier.

Interesting story. So we could have known you by Hess.

770 sagehen  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:28:50pm

re: #751 publicityStunted

Reminds me of a TV show I saw years ago...some kind of Twilight Zone knock-off...anyway, the plot involved a married couple, expecting their first child and in serious financial trouble. They were given a device with a single button, the pressing of which would result in two things:

1) They'd get a million dollars
2) Someone they didn't know would die

After much consternation and rationalizing, the couple pushed the button. As promised, they got the money...and a few months later, the woman miscarried.

There was a short story... the version I heard was they pushed the button, got the money, a few weeks later the guy came back to pick up the box.

"What happens with it now?"
"I give it to somebody who doesn't know you."

771 soap_man  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:29:34pm

re: #768 sagehen

I can't imagine any top quality players of any race would join such a league; even if they paid well, a Kiki Vandeweghe would rather... uh, wait, I just wiki'd and see that Kiki was born in Germany. Never mind. How about Kurt Rambis, aka Kyriakos Rambidis (born in California, with dual citizenship, Greek parents)... does he qualify?

Nope, too foreign. :)

772 soap_man  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:32:26pm

re: #770 sagehen

There was a short story... the version I heard was they pushed the button, got the money, a few weeks later the guy came back to pick up the box.

"What happens with it now?"
"I give it to somebody who doesn't know you."

Wasn't that a movie that came out recently?

773 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:33:14pm

Every Senate Republican today voted against reestablishing "pay-as-you-go" budgeting rules that mandate that any new spending must be paid for. The rule passed on a 60-40 party line vote.

What am I missing here? Is this a bad thing?

[Link: www.senate.gov...]

774 sagehen  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:35:15pm

re: #773 Stanley Sea

Every Senate Republican today voted against reestablishing "pay-as-you-go" budgeting rules that mandate that any new spending must be paid for. The rule passed on a 60-40 party line vote.

What am I missing here? Is this a bad thing?

Senator McConnell explained it thusly:

Youtube Video
775 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:35:33pm

re: #772 soap_man

Wasn't that a movie that came out recently?

re: #755 Dark_Falcon

Yes. It was called The Box, and it starred Frank Langella and Cameron Diaz.

776 soap_man  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:36:44pm

re: #775 Dark_Falcon

Hahaha. Oops.

Well, gotta go. Goodnight everyone.

777 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:38:26pm

re: #775 Dark_Falcon

Hey, how are you holding up?
Ok, I hope?

778 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:44:49pm

re: #754 Dark_Falcon

Do so, and I'll give you the ship's class and history. I own a book that has every destroyer that served in the USN during WWII.

Will do, thanks!

779 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:48:35pm

Ciao everyone!

780 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:50:12pm

re: #779 Stanley Sea

Arrivaderci amigo!

781 Mocking Jay  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:51:11pm

Why so quiet in here? The night's still young!

782 sagehen  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:51:16pm

i'm heading out too...

783 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:53:56pm

Yeah, I'm out, too!
Later!

784 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:58:10pm

re: #777 Floral Giraffe

Hey, how are you holding up?
Ok, I hope?

I've had a rough last couple days. Business was quite slow. I was able to do better late today, but I'll be working on Sunday even though it's likely my day off. Sometimes in sales you have to ull six day weeks to make the quotas. But I will make them.

785 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 9:59:51pm

re: #658 Floral Giraffe

I think Charles posted that he was having ?Creationist? issues.
Pretty sure that was it, but not 100%.

Nope, Charles had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

re: #684 Jimmah

Sal would metaphorically kill you for saying that. He was LGF's creationist stomper in chief. It was the AGW issue he came unstuck over.

Salamantis didn't come "unstuck" he kept to logic and reason in the face of increasingly profane profane personal insults. Sal never returned the insults, rather he walked away from the ignorance. It is all still there in the thread.

786 sngnsgt  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:00:52pm

Blackhawks win in OT 4-3!

787 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:01:00pm

re: #784 Dark_Falcon

I've had a rough last couple days. Business was quite slow. I was able to do better late today, but I'll be working on Sunday even though it's likely my day off. Sometimes in sales you have to ull six day weeks to make the quotas. But I will make them.

I wish you nothing but the best!
And if I knew how to make your quota's easier I would sneak that dark secret into your hands.

788 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:02:18pm

re: #785 Bagua

I wish I had a better memory, and not defamed what Sal posted.
SIGH.
And maybe a whack or two!

789 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:02:49pm

Also, Salamantis was not anti-AGW, rather he was trying to uphold the IPCC AR4 as the actually consensus, in the face of increasingly hysterical alarm-ism from ManBearPig.

I miss Salamantis, he was great thinker and was a loyal defender of this blog.

790 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:05:21pm

re: #787 Floral Giraffe

I wish you nothing but the best!
And if I knew how to make your quota's easier I would sneak that dark secret into your hands.

There's no way to make them easier. They're what's needed to grow the business and they are attainable. I simply accept this month's quotas as reasonable and work to meet them.

791 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:05:49pm

re: #788 Floral Giraffe

You're cool Floral Giraffe, it is obvious you miss him as I do. I vividly remember that thread and I regret I did not support him, at the time I was still giving ManBearPig the benefit of the doubt on certain matters of the science, something I regret and later realised was wrong. I wish Salamatis would come back.

792 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:07:44pm

re: #789 Bagua

Also, Salamantis was not anti-AGW, rather he was trying to uphold the IPCC AR4 as the actually consensus, in the face of increasingly hysterical alarm-ism from ManBearPig.

I miss Salamantis, he was great thinker and was a loyal defender of this blog.

Ludwig had some good points in that debate but he wasted them with his "my way or you're evil" routine. I do hope that when he next shows up here at LGF he's gotten past that somewhat.

P.S. I'm not talking behind his back, since I've already posted this when he was active on the same thread.

793 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:10:16pm

Here is the last thread that Salamatis was here the worst stuff is at the bottom, judge for yourselves.

794 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:22:18pm

Actually the worst stuff was on the thread just prior I type corrected.

Sal remained a gentleman throughout.

795 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:28:08pm

re: #794 Bagua

eeh, at the end he pretty much just flamed out. That was well into the time of "I can read but I can't post', and, looking at it, I remember my reaction at the time:

"Don't mess with LVQ, he'll make you goddamn miserable in a debate."

Guy just couldn't stand it.

796 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:28:47pm

re: #793 Bagua

Youtube Video

I miss Sal.

797 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:29:54pm

re: #795 windsagio

*note that this doesn't necessarily have to do with rightness either.

Now off to kareoke!

798 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:29:59pm

re: #741 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't figure out how this is legal.

Sorry to break kayfabe, but dollars to doughnuts the whole thing is a hoax. Don "Moose" Lewis is an old pro wrestling promoter, of the now ironically named "International Wrestling Union." They don't have a website, and the AABA is an anachronistic league that played one season in 1977-78.

My bullshit detector is screaming.

799 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:30:05pm

re: #795 windsagio

eeh, at the end he pretty much just flamed out. That was well into the time of "I can read but I can't post', and, looking at it, I remember my reaction at the time:

"Don't mess with LVQ, he'll make you goddamn miserable in a debate."

Guy just couldn't stand it.


Why would any man of reason, logic and science stick around for the sort of profane personal insults Ludwig was flinging at him?

800 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:31:11pm

re: #796 Floral Giraffe

I miss Sal.

Me too my friend.

801 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:33:09pm

re: #799 Bagua

Other people throw worse stuff on here almost every day. Ludwig is less profane and more dogged... But thats my point kind of, if you cross Ludwig, you're in for some crap. Be tough or don't engage.

Its the same thing with, say, mandy or steve on the other side. If you're gonna cross them you have to strap your balls on first, because you're in for a rough ride.

802 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:35:18pm

re: #801 windsagio

Other people throw worse stuff on here almost every day. Ludwig is less profane and more dogged... But thats my point kind of, if you cross Ludwig, you're in for some crap. Be tough or don't engage.

Its the same thing with, say, mandy or steve on the other side. If you're gonna cross them you have to strap your balls on first, because you're in for a rough ride.

Bull. You weren't even here and don't know the half of it, you just feel the need to comment on everything.

803 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:36:24pm

re: #802 Bagua

did you read the part where I said 'that was when I could look but not post'? I was certainly here.

Anyways, why ask if you only want to hear that you're right?

804 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:36:51pm

Goodnight all, to the active & living persons on LGF.
Many, nay LEGIONS are gone.
For their own reasons.

The rest of of us, stay to play & support Charles and our own visions.
Others, well, they are just toasted, on both sides!

805 windsagio  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:37:15pm

re: #803 windsagio

but seriously, its way too hard to pull away from this damn blog sometimes

I'm out!

806 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:37:34pm

re: #805 windsagio

but seriously, its way too hard to pull away from this damn blog sometimes

I'm out!

Good news.

807 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:44:39pm

re: #794 Bagua

Actually the worst stuff was on the thread just prior I type corrected.

Sal remained a gentleman throughout.

That was one hell of a barn burner. I tried to stop it but I couldn't. Those two were dead set on fighting it out, though Ludwig threw the stuff that was really abuse. There was some snark from Sal, but he was restrained in his words. Ludwig was not.

808 Bagua  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:46:26pm

re: #795 windsagio

That was well into the time of "I can read but I can't post', and, looking at it, I remember my reaction at the time:

"Don't mess with LVQ, he'll make you goddamn miserable in a debate."

Guy just couldn't stand it.

Actually, that is a valid observation. I'm just still bitter because Salamantis really added to the conversation here. I don't see much value in the heckling, which has seen a steady increase in recent months. And I include myself in that criticism as well.

809 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 11:05:49pm

re: #808 Bagua

Actually, that is a valid observation. I'm just still bitter because Salamantis really added to the conversation here. I don't see much value in the heckling, which has seen a steady increase in recent months. And I include myself in that criticism as well.

Quite Concur. I still hope Sal comes back someday, I miss him.

810 BoomBoom  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 11:11:53pm

Wow, the focus on domestic policies has really intensified this blog.

811 BoomBoom  Thu, Jan 28, 2010 11:21:01pm

Goog night BoomBoom, don't be a such a dipshit and go to bed early for now on.

812 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 12:13:55am

re: #785 Bagua

Salamantis didn't come "unstuck" he kept to logic and reason in the face of increasingly profane profane personal insults. Sal never returned the insults, rather he walked away from the ignorance. It is all still there in the thread.

Not attacking Salamantis here, whom I have a lot of respect for, as should be clear from my previous comment, but from the thread you linked to : [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Yes it is all still there in the thread, and others too - many others. Sal gave as good as he got in his debates with LVQ and others on that issue. Stop trying to rewrite history. Whether one views Sal as having come 'unstuck' on the AGW issue depends on what one's opinion of AGW is. IMO he painted himself into a corner.

813 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 12:28:57am

re: #801 windsagio

Other people throw worse stuff on here almost every day. Ludwig is less profane and more dogged... But thats my point kind of, if you cross Ludwig, you're in for some crap. Be tough or don't engage.

I agree with you on that - especially on science topics, since that is his profession.

Its the same thing with, say, mandy or steve on the other side. If you're gonna cross them you have to strap your balls on first, because you're in for a rough ride.

Ha. People making petty comments, and if that doesn't work, storming off in a huff, does not a rough ride make. Tiresome yes, rough no.

814 ryannon  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 12:29:01am

re: #652 Silvergirl

Would you tear the wings off of a beautiful butterfly if you would get an all expenses paid vacation to the place of your choice?

I might tear the arms off the person who suggested that idea, but that's just me....

815 Bagua  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:07:29am

re: #812 Jimmah

Not attacking Salamantis here, whom I have a lot of respect for, as should be clear from my previous comment, but from the thread you linked to : [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Yes it is all still there in the thread, and others too - many others. Sal gave as good as he got in his debates with LVQ and others on that issue. Stop trying to rewrite history. Whether one views Sal as having come 'unstuck' on the AGW issue depends on what one's opinion of AGW is. IMO he painted himself into a corner.

Jimmah, Salamantis was quoting back the exact words that poster used the previous thread and asking what kind of person makes such an insult.

here

I expect you will be willing to withdraw your charge of 're-writing history' once you've read this?

Salamantis was civil in the face of an onslaught. Anyone who actually reads both of those thread in full will be able to draw their own conclusions about the behaviour that was demonstrated.

816 windsagio  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:12:25am

re: #815 Bagua

bagua, seriously I know the guy was your friend, but whats with the obsession? Its kinda creepy.

The guy (apparently) left of his own accord and could come back if he wanted to.

Trying to blame somebody you don't like is counterproductive at best.

817 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 3:29:29am

re: #815 Bagua

Jimmah, Salamantis was quoting back the exact words that poster used the previous thread and asking what kind of person makes such an insult.

And calling that person an odious and execrable excuse for a human being into the bargain. Which is entirely consistent with what I said, which was that Sal gave as good as he got in those arguments. So no, I won't be withdrawing what I said about you rewriting history.

And there were many more heated exchanges where unpleasantries were thrown by both parties, as you know - don't make me post links to them. So stop trying to cast Ludwig as the 'villain' here, Bagua - it's not going to work.

818 Stuart Leviton  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 8:18:47am

re: #560 austin_blue

Just a drive-by, and it's late, but a CNN poll (agreed, notoriously unreliable) puts the response at 84% positive (good or fair) and 26% poor.

And "lier" doesn't mean what you think it means.


84% + 26% = 110%

I see why you say a CNN poll is unreliable.

819 Stuart Leviton  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 8:24:06am

re: #590 windsagio

I calls 'em as I sees 'em.


You are myopic.

820 Stuart Leviton  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 8:39:12am

re: #633 windsagio

a good test of friendship is how well you can handle an ass-beating.


That's cheeky version of Jesus' saying (pun intended)

821 Bagua  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 4:28:09pm

re: #817 Jimmah

You have confirmed that you are dishonest with that comment. You made a mistake, yet you hold your position. Anyone who reads through those threads can verify this.

I would retract and IW would retract, but not you.

822 Bagua  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 4:29:33pm

re: #816 windsagio

bagua, seriously I know the guy was your friend, but whats with the obsession? Its kinda creepy.

The guy (apparently) left of his own accord and could come back if he wanted to.

Trying to blame somebody you don't like is counterproductive at best.

We were discussing Salamantis's departure. You can call it an "obsession" if you like, typical of your snide heckling attack style. You merit a *gaze* from now on.

823 Bagua  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 4:31:06pm

re: #816 windsagio

Ice, I see you upding that, yet you yourself often bring up prior comments when they fit your agenda, this is hypocrisy on your part.

824 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 5:37:41pm

re: #821 Bagua

You have confirmed that you are dishonest with that comment. You made a mistake, yet you hold your position. Anyone who reads through those threads can verify this.

I would retract and IW would retract, but not you.

Why do you think I made a mistake? Sal was calling out his opponent for something he said; the vehemence of his response illustrates my point perfectly, hence the link. Yeah, I was following the thread at the time Bagua, as you should remember.

825 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 5:47:04pm

re: #823 Bagua

Ice, I see you upding that, yet you yourself often bring up prior comments when they fit your agenda, this is hypocrisy on your part.

Did you consider the possibility that her ding was because she disagrees strongly with your casting of Ludwig as Dr Evil?

Speaking of hypocrisy - genuine hypocrisy that is - aren't you one of those who was pretending to be outraged at the very idea of criticising people who aren't logged in? How exactly does that square with your attempt to demonise Ludwig here?

826 Elle Plater  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:17:43am

I'm a bit late on this thread but as an Aussie I have to ask you please to stop calling Koalas - bears. They are not. Nothing to do with bears but maybe just sort of look like them I guess.


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