Osama Blames US for Climate Change, Praises Chomsky (2007 Rewind)

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The theory of anthropogenic climate change got some support from an unwanted source, in the latest anti-US audiotape from “Osama bin Laden.”

“Talk about climate change is not an ideological luxury but a reality,” Mr. bin Laden was quoted as saying in a report on Al Jazeera’s English-language Web site. “All of the industrialized countries, especially the big ones, bear responsibility for the global warming crisis.”

This isn’t the first time a bin Laden audiotape has mentioned climate change; in a 2007 post we noted a previous list of grievances against the US filed by Al Qaeda’s long-running version of “Weekend at Binnie’s,” which included environmental damage and the failure to sign the Kyoto agreement. All these themes are repeated in the new tape.

He called for a worldwide boycott of American goods and the dollar. He faulted the United States for failing to sign the Kyoto Protocol, which sought to curb global warming by restricting greenhouse gas emissions.

In the latest tape, Binnie also gives a thumbs-up to leftist anti-American icon Noam Chomsky …

And he offered a word of praise for Noam Chomsky, the American linguist and liberal political activist.

“Noam Chomsky was correct when he compared the U.S. policies to those of the Mafia,” Al Jazeera quoted Mr. bin Laden as saying. “They are the true terrorists and therefore we should refrain from dealing in the U.S. dollar and should try to get rid of this currency as early as possible.”

… and that’s nothing new either. Also in 2007, “Osama” advocated reading Chomsky.

Whoever’s doing bin Laden these days needs to get some new material.

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207 comments
1 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:12:14pm

F*** me, now I know how the Republicans feel, first time glanced over that I thought it read "Obama Blames US for Climate Change" and so on and so forth.


Guess it just shows we read what our eyes are expecting to see and not what is actually on the page....

2 generalsparky  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:12:21pm

Eh, I think Osama is dead and this is all a ruse.

3 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:12:34pm

Well, given Chomsky's apologetics on behalf of Pol Pot, it's natural he'd be Bin Ladens favourite western intellectual.

4 Kragar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:12:52pm

Bin Laden has taken on the voice of authority formerly reserved for the secretary who read the lunch announcements over the High School intercomm.

5 Kragar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:13:35pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

F*** me, now I know how the Republicans feel, first time glanced over that I thought it read "Obama Blames US for Climate Change" and so on and so forth.


Guess it just shows we read what our eyes are expecting to see and not what is actually on the page...

I swore thats what it said too.

6 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:13:45pm

re: #2 generalsparky

Eh, I think Osama is dead and this is all a ruse.

/well the tape was in Arabic but the speaker did have a Tennessee accent...

7 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:14:04pm
Osama Blames US for Climate Change, Praises Chomsky (2007 Rewind Rewarmed)

FTFY

8 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:14:07pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

F*** me, now I know how the Republicans feel, first time glanced over that I thought it read "Obama Blames US for Climate Change" and so on and so forth.

Guess it just shows we read what our eyes are expecting to see and not what is actually on the page...

lol
My brain read that as "Obama," too.

9 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:15:55pm

Time for my weekend to start. Hasta Lizardvista.

10 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:16:32pm

re: #8 JasonA

lol
My brain read that as "Obama," too.

Me too. Must be some kind of synaptic after-image, caused by posting an Osama thread right after an Obama one.

11 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:16:48pm

re: #8 JasonA

lol
My brain read that as "Obama," too.

bet there will be more that a few photoshops going around...

12 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:17:00pm

re: #10 The Sanity Inspector

Me too. Must be some kind of synaptic after-image, caused by posting an Osama thread right after an Obama one.

How do we know they're not the same person? Has anyone ever seen them together???!!!

/////////

13 Kragar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:17:50pm

For you football fans out there, Bin Laden's Super Bowl prediction has the Cardinals beating the Stealers, 30-14.

14 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:18:13pm

re: #12 Mad Al-Jaffee

How do we know they're not the same person? Has anyone ever seen them together???!!!

///

/well yes, but then the black helicopters came...

15 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:18:36pm

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Stealers?

16 Kragar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:18:59pm

re: #14 brookly red

/well yes, but then the black helicopters came...

PLEASE NOW!!! They are helicopters of color.

17 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:19:06pm

re: #3 Jimmah

Well, given Chomsky's apologetics on behalf of Pol Pot, it's natural he'd be Bin Ladens favourite western intellectual.

I hope it gave at least a few proggs pause this past decade, the sight of masked jihadists spouting western leftwing themes while brandishing severed heads.

18 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:19:06pm

re: #12 Mad Al-Jaffee

Careful, or someone kooky is going to advocate having a Predator fire a missile into the White House...

19 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:19:19pm

re: #15 JasonA

Stealers?

he is not much of a pig skin fan...

20 Kragar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:19:34pm

re: #15 JasonA

Stealers?

Thats what Bin Laden said, dont ask me.

21 cliffster  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:19:36pm

re: #15 JasonA

Stealers?

Another word for "Democrats" /

22 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:19:43pm

re: #14 brookly red

/well yes, but then the black helicopters came...

...and then they flashed this strange light in my eyes, and I forgot everything!

23 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:20:28pm

re: #2 generalsparky

Also posted in spin-offs :

I had previously thought that Bin Laden was most likely dead, but after watching this documentary from the same team that debunked the 9/11 and London 7/7 conspiracy theories, I've changed my mind.

It's a playlist, so if you watch it in the youtube window, you can click 'play all' to see the whole thing. Highly recommended.

24 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:20:40pm

“Weekend at Binnie’s”

Love it.

25 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:20:52pm

re: #21 cliffster

Hey, where were the Republicans during the Paygo vote? What the hell happened there?

26 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:21:50pm

re: #22 The Sanity Inspector

...and then they flashed this strange light in my eyes, and I forgot everything!

flash & probe huh? I think that's the UFOs not the black helicopters...

27 generalsparky  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:22:21pm

re: #23 Jimmah

Also posted in spin-offs :

I had previously thought that Bin Laden was most likely dead, but after watching this documentary from the same team that debunked the 9/11 and London 7/7 conspiracy theories, I've changed my mind.


[Video]It's a playlist, so if you watch it in the youtube window, you can click 'play all' to see the whole thing. Highly recommended.

Thank you for the recommendation!

28 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:22:33pm

re: #26 brookly red

flash & probe huh? I think that's the UFOs not the black helicopters...

Get Kucinich on the line...

29 The Curmudgeon  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:23:01pm

I confess I had some lingering doubts about what Al Gore was telling us, but now that bin Laden is on board, I can no longer resist the consensus. Count me in!

30 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:23:09pm

re: #12 Mad Al-Jaffee

How do we know they're not the same person? Has anyone ever seen them together???!!!

///

Well one of them is 6'4 and the other is 6'1 so that's a pretty nice trick he's pulling off....

31 cliffster  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:23:35pm

re: #25 JasonA

Hey, where were the Republicans during the Paygo vote? What the hell happened there?

borrowing. delays stealing for a generation.

32 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:23:52pm

re: #30 jamesfirecat

Well one of them is 6'4 and the other is 6'1 so that's a pretty nice trick he's pulling off...

/the trick is in the bow ;)

33 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:24:24pm

re: #26 brookly red

The UFOs disguise themselves as black helicopters now. The helicopters added special LED lights and try to pass themselves off as UFOs. Everyone gets confused and ends up in each other's hangers at the end of the night.

Need a supervillian with a secret lair and a hidden agenda to straighten it all out./

34 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:24:49pm

re: #17 The Sanity Inspector

I hope it gave at least a few proggs pause this past decade, the sight of masked jihadists spouting western leftwing themes while brandishing severed heads.

Well the Middle East is a Hashish smoking region so I guess we should have seen this coming....

35 John Vreeland  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:24:58pm

Chomsky's science was great. It's still great. But his politics always seemed poorly thought out, perhaps due to the lack of a good peer-review process on "stuff I want to rant about."

36 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:25:12pm

re: #33 oaktree

The UFOs disguise themselves as black helicopters now. The helicopters added special LED lights and try to pass themselves off as UFOs. Everyone gets confused and ends up in each other's hangers at the end of the night.

Need a supervillian with a secret lair and a hidden agenda to straighten it all out./

got Dick Cheney holding on line 2...

37 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:25:20pm

re: #29 The Curmudgeon

I confess I had some lingering doubts about what Al Gore was telling us, but now that bin Laden is on board, I can no longer resist the consensus. Count me in!

I have lingering questions about their motives...Gore's making a lot of money and Osama is sooo tired of sweating it out in the cave!

38 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:26:41pm

re: #34 jamesfirecat

Well the Middle East is a Hashish smoking region so I guess we should have seen this coming...

Will you please@!

39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:27:42pm

Whoever's doing bin Laden...

heh...

40 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:28:01pm

re: #38 Ben Hur

Will you please@!

Huh?

41 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:28:26pm

re: #40 jamesfirecat

Huh?

Don't blame da weed.

42 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:29:27pm

re: #31 cliffster

Seriously, isn't paygo a pretty conservative idea? I'm trying to figure out why the republicans would vote against it all the way down the line. I'm still scratching my head over it.
McCain, Three Other GOPers, Reverse Support For Pay-Go

43 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:29:44pm

re: #24 Ben Hur

“Weekend at Binnie’s”

Love it.

I TOTALLY MISSED THAT! HAH!

44 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:30:31pm

re: #35 Vreejack

Chomsky's science was great. It's still great. But his politics always seemed poorly thought out, perhaps due to the lack of a good peer-review process on "stuff I want to rant about."

So many academics--and celebs, for that matter--think that eminence in their professional field translates into political perspicacity.

45 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:31:03pm

re: #39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whoever's doing bin Laden...

heh...

You mean that Kola Boof broad?

46 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:32:09pm

Since I've been experimenting with making my own comments unrateable (+/- buttons are disabled), what's the general opinion on it? Like it or don't?

47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:32:17pm

re: #44 The Sanity Inspector

Perspicacity?

Really?

IS SIXDEGREES HERE?!?!

48 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:32:20pm

re: #42 JasonA

Seriously, isn't paygo a pretty conservative idea? I'm trying to figure out why the republicans would vote against it all the way down the line. I'm still scratching my head over it.
McCain, Three Other GOPers, Reverse Support For Pay-Go

Not really, at least for me, because it doesn't limit spending, it just says you have to raise taxes to cover new spending. Other than that, spend away!

(thus my distaste...)

49 cliffster  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:32:23pm

re: #42 JasonA

Seriously, isn't paygo a pretty conservative idea? I'm trying to figure out why the republicans would vote against it all the way down the line. I'm still scratching my head over it.
McCain, Three Other GOPers, Reverse Support For Pay-Go

in this case, who knows. maybe there's something tagged onto the bill they didn't like. Maybe there are exclusions they didn't like. maybe they're just being assholes.

50 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:33:00pm

re: #37 Aceofwhat?

I have lingering questions about their motives...Gore's making a lot of money and Osama is sooo tired of sweating it out in the cave!

Plueeeez, he is in a resort in Iran...

51 SixDegrees  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:33:51pm
Whoever’s doing bin Laden these days needs to get some new material.

Sounds to me like Adam Gadahn is still gainfully employed. Those are his kind of talking points.

52 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:34:02pm

re: #46 Charles

Since I've been experimenting with making my own comments unrateable (+/- buttons are disabled), what's the general opinion on it? Like it or don't?

It's sporting to exclude yourself from the top ten rankings, but we'd still like to upding you. Any way of allowing yourself dings, but having you keep out of the top ten list?

53 darthstar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:34:48pm

In the interest of keeping the War on Terror interesting, the part of Osama bin Laden will now be played by Larry the Cable Guy.
"Git 'r done, infidel!"

54 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:34:52pm

re: #46 Charles

Since I've been experimenting with making my own comments unrateable (+/- buttons are disabled), what's the general opinion on it? Like it or don't?

Been thinking about that part in the article where it mentioned how yours tended to be the most highly rated everyday?

I've got no strong opinions either way at the moment...

55 SixDegrees  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:35:11pm

re: #47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Perspicacity?

Really?

IS SIXDEGREES HERE?!?!

Present.

56 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:35:12pm

re: #52 The Sanity Inspector

Agreed. I'd prefer that as well.

57 darthstar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:35:25pm

re: #46 Charles

Since I've been experimenting with making my own comments unrateable (+/- buttons are disabled), what's the general opinion on it? Like it or don't?

+

58 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:35:29pm

re: #48 Aceofwhat?

re: #49 cliffster

Okay. You've got me thinking about this could be a bad thing, but I'm not there.

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:35:41pm

re: #46 Charles
Since you asked?

I (+) it for the top ten ratings slant. You fill up the top ten all the time. Not a big deal for you. Hell, you're the big cheese anyway.

I - it because I can't up-ding something that you say that I find particularly interesting.

Is there a way we could have the best of both worlds?

60 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:36:01pm

re: #42 JasonA

Seriously, isn't paygo a pretty conservative idea? I'm trying to figure out why the republicans would vote against it all the way down the line. I'm still scratching my head over it.
McCain, Three Other GOPers, Reverse Support For Pay-Go

Interesting. Is it too much of a stretch to think that it had something to do with Obama's meeting with Republicans earlier today?
Republicans dismayed by Obama’s strong performance, say it was a ‘mistake’ to let cameras roll.

I originally thought Obama did pretty well but I'm starting to think he really nailed it. With the cameras rolling the GOP didn't look very good. There's talk of making this a regular occurrence which I think is a brilliant idea. For right now the GOP needs special coddling but I'd like to see the Dems participate eventually too.

61 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:36:09pm

re: #46 Charles

Since I've been experimenting with making my own comments unrateable (+/- buttons are disabled), what's the general opinion on it? Like it or don't?

Why?

62 suchislife  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:36:13pm

re: #46 Charles

Could you explain again why you did it? I missed that! Or point me to the thread in question? Thanks!

63 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:36:27pm

re: #46 Charles

Like it. Other than the socks and trolls (say 'socks and trolls' like 'franks and beans'), my presence here is sorta one big upding in general...and then on the infrequent occasion when i differ, i feel obliged to explain myself.

You don't keep going to the lounge if you don't regularly approve of the proprietor, you dig?

64 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:36:29pm

re: #56 Obdicut

Agreed. I'd prefer that as well.

Me too.

65 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:36:30pm

re: #48 Aceofwhat?

Not really, at least for me, because it doesn't limit spending, it just says you have to raise taxes to cover new spending. Other than that, spend away!

(thus my distaste...)

Tax and spend, also known as paying your bills!

I swear Jon Stewart had a joke like that once....

66 darthstar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:36:53pm

re: #54 jamesfirecat

Been thinking about that part in the article where it mentioned how yours tended to be the most highly rated everyday?

I've got no strong opinions either way at the moment...

It makes sense to me. It's Charles' blog, after all. Every comment in the thread is an up/down ding of some sort.

67 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:37:15pm

re: #61 Ben Hur

Why?

Keep it on.

68 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:38:06pm

re: #53 darthstar

In the interest of keeping the War on Terror interesting, the part of Osama bin Laden will now be played by Larry the Cable Guy.
"Git 'r done, infidel!"

Larry the Cable guy crossed with Achmed the Dead Terrorist.

Git 'r done, infidel! Silence. I keeeeeell you!!!!!!

69 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:38:20pm

If you don't want to take over the Top Ten Comments, make in Top Ten Reader Comments, or something.

70 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:38:27pm

re: #46 Charles

Since I've been experimenting with making my own comments unrateable (+/- buttons are disabled), what's the general opinion on it? Like it or don't?

I agree with FBV:

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Since you asked?

I (+) it for the top ten ratings slant. You fill up the top ten all the time. Not a big deal for you. Hell, you're the big cheese anyway.

I - it because I can't up-ding something that you say that I find particularly interesting.

Is there a way we could have the best of both worlds?

71 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:38:36pm

re: #54 jamesfirecat

Been thinking about that part in the article where it mentioned how yours tended to be the most highly rated everyday?

I've got no strong opinions either way at the moment...

It was mentioned in the NYT piece but it has come up before as a suggestion. The idea is to let other people be featured more in those lists. Maybe I'll try enabling the ratings but keeping myself out of the list, as some suggested.

72 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:39:00pm

Can you take away my - button?

73 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:39:06pm

re: #58 JasonA

re: #49 cliffster

Okay. You've got me thinking about this could be a bad thing, but I'm not there.


That's ok. I was trying to show the logic in my opposition, not make the case that it's my way or @#$% you. (we'll do that some other time!)

74 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:39:19pm

re: #55 SixDegrees

Present.

As persipicacious as always.

75 darthstar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:40:25pm

re: #42 JasonA

Seriously, isn't paygo a pretty conservative idea? I'm trying to figure out why the republicans would vote against it all the way down the line. I'm still scratching my head over it.
McCain, Three Other GOPers, Reverse Support For Pay-Go

McCain's afraid of his primary challenger. He doesn't want to vote for anything that makes him look like he supports the black guy...not with Teabagger Nation nipping at his heels. If he had a conscience, he'd simply do what was right and go back to being mavericky. Instead, he's made himself into a predictable joke.

76 AK-47%  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:40:28pm

What does a speech like serve except to give Rush and Glenn Beck more things to rant about?

77 abbyadams  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:40:36pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

Me too!

78 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:40:48pm

re: #72 Ben Hur

Can you take away my - button?

/go for it Mandy...

79 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:41:10pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Interesting. Is it too much of a stretch to think that it had something to do with Obama's meeting with Republicans earlier today?
Republicans dismayed by Obama’s strong performance, say it was a ‘mistake’ to let cameras roll.

I originally thought Obama did pretty well but I'm starting to think he really nailed it. With the cameras rolling the GOP didn't look very good. There's talk of making this a regular occurrence which I think is a brilliant idea. For right now the GOP needs special coddling but I'd like to see the Dems participate eventually too.

Geez. "We couldn't beat him so we wish no one could have seen it." I don't want to hear about their political problems. I just want them to govern. Too much too ask for, I guess.

80 abbyadams  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:41:39pm

re: #75 darthstar

His primary challenger is a nirther, too. Sad.

81 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:42:50pm

Ok, this is pretty damn funny....
Charlie Brooker - How To Report The News

Some NSFW language

82 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:42:56pm

re: #65 jamesfirecat

Tax and spend, also known as paying your bills!

I swear Jon Stewart had a joke like that once...

"We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into
prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying
to lift himself up by the handle."

-Churchill

83 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:44:44pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Ok, this is pretty damn funny...
Charlie Brooker - How To Report The News

[Video]Some NSFW language

I was just posting that, dammit.

84 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:44:52pm

re: #82 Aceofwhat?

"We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into
prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying
to lift himself up by the handle."

-Churchill

Well the alternative to tax and spend is don't spend at all and then what's the point of having a government? Not saying that you can't tax too much, but it should be about quibbling over numbers not ideas...

85 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:45:02pm

re: #73 Aceofwhat?

That's ok. I was trying to show the logic in my opposition, not make the case that it's my way or @#$% you. (we'll do that some other time!)

lol It's a deal. I would just think that increasing taxes to account for increased spending was a conservative principal, as opposed to just increasing spending and not paying for it. Obviously the most Conservative thing is to reduce spending altogether, and this seems to be a positive step towards that.

86 abbyadams  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:45:05pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

I saw that earlier today. That is undeniably awesome. Thanks for reposting it, so I could see it again in all its perfectness.

87 recusancy  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:45:19pm

re: #75 darthstar

McCain's afraid of his primary challenger. He doesn't want to vote for anything that makes him look like he supports the black guy...not with Teabagger Nation nipping at his heels. If he had a conscience, he'd simply do what was right and go back to being mavericky. Instead, he's made himself into a predictable joke.

Obama got to the crux of the problem today as well. He stated the paradox as: If you constantly call me a radical secret bolshevik anti american no matter how moderate I am then you'll never be able to agree or vote for anything that I'm in favor of because you'll then be agreeing with a radical secret bolshevik anti american.

88 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:45:24pm

re: #76 ralphieboy

What does a speech like serve except to give Rush and Glenn Beck more things to rant about?

if the shoe fits...

89 cliffster  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:45:31pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

fucking brilliant

90 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:45:49pm

re: #75 darthstar

McCain's afraid of his primary challenger. He doesn't want to vote for anything that makes him look like he supports the black guy...not with Teabagger Nation nipping at his heels. If he had a conscience, he'd simply do what was right and go back to being mavericky. Instead, he's made himself into a predictable joke.

Has he done something racist recently that i hadn't heard of? Otherwise, Harry Reid wants to know why you would say that...

91 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:46:08pm

re: #84 jamesfirecat

Well the alternative to tax and spend is don't spend at all and then what's the point of having a government? Not saying that you can't tax too much, but it should be about quibbling over numbers not ideas...

numbers ARE ideas.

92 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:46:54pm

re: #65 jamesfirecat

Tax and spend, also known as paying your bills!

I swear Jon Stewart had a joke like that once...

The way things work now, the bills analogy only works if you frame it this way: You go out and spend way more money than you have, on shit you don't really need first before the things you do need, and then you go to work the next day and don't ask you boss for a raise but tell him or her to give you one whether he or she likes it or not and has to wait 2-4 years to do something about it.

93 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:47:17pm

re: #91 brookly red

numbers ARE ideas.

Well can we agree on the idea that our government should
A: Tax people....

and

B: Provide services for those taxes?

94 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:47:25pm

re: #83 Ben Hur

I was just posting that, dammit.

Heh, It's one of those videos making the rounds today.

95 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:47:46pm

re: #85 JasonA

lol It's a deal. I would just think that increasing taxes to account for increased spending was a conservative principal, as opposed to just increasing spending and not paying for it. Obviously the most Conservative thing is to reduce spending altogether, and this seems to be a positive step towards that.

Gotcha. I can't say for sure...haven't read much about it...personally if i had a vote and thought i could limit spending more by being obstructionist than by voting for paygo, i'd be obstructionist. If not, i'd vote for paygo.

But i try to be a "do the analysis and vote for the best outcome" sort of person, which seems a lot to expect of Congress...;)

96 arethusa  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:47:47pm

re: #75 darthstar

McCain's afraid of his primary challenger. He doesn't want to vote for anything that makes him look like he supports the black guy...not with Teabagger Nation nipping at his heels. If he had a conscience, he'd simply do what was right and go back to being mavericky. Instead, he's made himself into a predictable joke.

In the latest poll, McCain is up by 22 over his primary challenger.

97 SixDegrees  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:48:24pm

re: #79 JasonA

Geez. "We couldn't beat him so we wish no one could have seen it." I don't want to hear about their political problems. I just want them to govern. Too much too ask for, I guess.

Question about this. Apparently it originates with Luke Russert at MSNBC, saying "One Republican said to me, off the record, behind closed doors: 'It was a mistake that we allowed the cameras to roll like that. We should not have done that.'" I'm just wondering, which one Republican was that? Mainly because I tend to be hypersensitive over the use of unnamed sources of any kind, but also because I'm curious who would make such a statement, particularly under the circumstances.

98 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:48:42pm
99 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:48:44pm

re: #93 jamesfirecat

Well can we agree on the idea that our government should
A: Tax people...

and

B: Provide services for those taxes?

Of course, now less of A and more of B please.

100 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:49:00pm

re: #92 ArchangelMichael

The way things work now, the bills analogy only works if you frame it this way: You go out and spend way more money than you have, on shit you don't really need first before the things you do need, and then you go to work the next day and don't ask you boss for a raise but tell him or her to give you one whether he or she likes it or not and has to wait 2-4 years to do something about it.

Once again, well the alternative to "tax and spend" is "don't tax and don't spend" right? If we don't spend then no government programs, no social security, no army, and then whats the point of having a government at all?

Yeah we can tax or spend too much but as an idea "tax and spend" beats the hell out of the alternative unless you know of another I haven't been made aware of recently...

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:49:04pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Dead on.

102 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:50:08pm

re: #84 jamesfirecat

Well the alternative to tax and spend is don't spend at all and then what's the point of having a government? Not saying that you can't tax too much, but it should be about quibbling over numbers not ideas...

Some ideas can be good in principle but their execution can lead to bad numbers...so i think we can reasonably and calmly debate both...but yeah, you won't find me in the "all taxes are evil" camp. I want a functioning government too.

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:50:32pm

re: #3 Jimmah

Well, given Chomsky's apologetics on behalf of Pol Pot, it's natural he'd be Bin Ladens favourite western intellectual.

Do you suppose he actually likes Chomsky, or is this a lame attempt to connect with left-wing intellectuals in the West? Serious question here.

104 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:51:01pm

re: #99 brookly red

Of course, now less of A and more of B please.

See? Like I said, now we're arguing over numbers (how much to tax and how much to spend and on what) rather than the ideas themselves.

Though asking for more of B with less of A reminds me of "there will be more sunshine but it will not get any hotter!" Jon Stewart bit. I'll give you that with more oversite (which itself would cost something) it might be possible to better spend the money our government is taking in then...

For example I hear we spent a lot of money on tax cuts that didn't do much to stimulate the economy recently....

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:51:10pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bin Laden has taken on the voice of authority formerly reserved for the secretary who read the lunch announcements over the High School intercomm.

I'm just reminded of Molly Ivins' observation that Texans tended to refer to him as "Osama Bin".

106 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:51:12pm

re: #100 jamesfirecat

Once again, well the alternative to "tax and spend" is "don't tax and don't spend" right? If we don't spend then no government programs, no social security, no army, and then whats the point of having a government at all?

Yeah we can tax or spend too much but as an idea "tax and spend" beats the hell out of the alternative unless you know of another I haven't been made aware of recently...

Why do you keep bring up some anarchist strawman? There are no Lew Rockwells here arguing with you and no one is saying that there should be no taxes and no spending.

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:51:35pm

re: #12 Mad Al-Jaffee

How do we know they're not the same person? Has anyone ever seen them together???!!!

///

Obama is shorter.

108 jdog29  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:51:51pm

re: #102 Aceofwhat?

Some ideas can be good in principle but their execution can lead to bad numbers...so i think we can reasonably and calmly debate both...but yeah, you won't find me in the "all taxes are evil" camp. I want a functioning government too.

Did you say "reasonably and calmly" ?? What planet are you from?
That's just crazy talk //

109 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:52:42pm

re: #108 jdog29

Did you say "reasonably and calmly" ?? What planet are you from?
That's just crazy talk //

I am a meat popsicle...

110 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:52:57pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you suppose he actually likes Chomsky, or is this a lame attempt to connect with left-wing intellectuals in the West? Serious question here.

Maybe he realizes that the best way to destroy America is economically, encourages the internal policies that would do so.

111 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:53:08pm

re: #106 ArchangelMichael

Why do you keep bring up some anarchist strawman? There are no Lew Rockwells here arguing with you and no one is saying that there should be no taxes and no spending.

I bring it up because my point is that I was trying to say that we should be arguing over numbers (what to tax, what to spend on) rather than ideas like if we should tax and spend at all. I'm not suggesting anyone here is an anarchist, but am I wrong when I say that if we don't tax and spend at all we might as well not have a government?

112 darthstar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:53:12pm

re: #87 recusancy

Obama got to the crux of the problem today as well. He stated the paradox as: If you constantly call me a radical secret bolshevik anti american no matter how moderate I am then you'll never be able to agree or vote for anything that I'm in favor of because you'll then be agreeing with a radical secret bolshevik anti american.

Yep...that was pretty much it. It was a lovely thing to watch.

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:53:23pm

re: #46 Charles

Since I've been experimenting with making my own comments unrateable (+/- buttons are disabled), what's the general opinion on it? Like it or don't?

It's OK either way with me.

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:53:49pm

re: #51 SixDegrees

Sounds to me like Adam Gadahn is still gainfully employed. Those are his kind of talking points.

That makes sense.

115 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:54:39pm

re: #100 jamesfirecat

Once again, well the alternative to "tax and spend" is "don't tax and don't spend" right? If we don't spend then no government programs, no social security, no army, and then whats the point of having a government at all?

Yeah we can tax or spend too much but as an idea "tax and spend" beats the hell out of the alternative unless you know of another I haven't been made aware of recently...

I could provide the necessary oversight for free...

116 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:55:01pm

re: #100 jamesfirecat

i want to spend something far less than today and far more than 0!

actually, i'd vote to push back AND reduce my social security and medicare. I expect to live until 90 and work until at least 70. So that's where I want to step up to the plate.

117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:55:23pm

re: #109 Aceofwhat?

I am a meat popsicle...

That line always puzzled me. I flipping LOVE "The Fifth Element", but that line has always left me scratching my head.

Is there something I missed? I've seen the movie a hundred times or so.

118 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:55:30pm

This is a change I've noticed since 2006 -- fundamentalist Wahhabism isn't a great recruiting draw outside of certain countries, so they use revolutionary international socialist causes, and anything else they can latch onto as a draw.

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:56:05pm

re: #98 MandyManners

I wanna' be like Osama.

[Video]

An old favorite. I want to get one of those pink burqas for a Halloween party some year.

120 jdog29  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:56:08pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

It's OK either way with me.

Not with me, I demand to have MY WAY! Lucky for you my way agrees with you... this time! /

121 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:56:24pm

re: #111 jamesfirecat

I bring it up because my point is that I was trying to say that we should be arguing over numbers (what to tax, what to spend on) rather than ideas like if we should tax and spend at all. I'm not suggesting anyone here is an anarchist, but am I wrong when I say that if we don't tax and spend at all we might as well not have a government?

If it helps, i don't think in 7 years of reading i've seen someone say that we should not have spending or a government...although there were probably some among legendary flounces that i never got a chance to see...

122 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:56:50pm

re: #118 Thanos

This is a change I've noticed since 2006 -- fundamentalist Wahhabism isn't a great recruiting draw outside of certain countries, so they use revolutionary international socialist causes, and anything else they can latch onto as a draw.

Well by that theory it's only a matter of time till "not only will you get 72 virgins in heaven but also 72 grams of weed here on Earth for you take before you commit the act which makes you a martyr!"

123 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:57:13pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you suppose he actually likes Chomsky, or is this a lame attempt to connect with left-wing intellectuals in the West? Serious question here.

I think he is inviting westerners to fall for Chomsky's extreme "the west is always to blame" rhetoric. I'm pretty sure he has no time whatsoever for Chomsky himself, since he is not a muslim fundamentalist.

124 darthstar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:57:16pm

re: #98 MandyManners

I wanna' be like Osama.

[Video]

That was funny...disturbing, but funny.

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:57:32pm

re: #110 brookly red

Maybe he realizes that the best way to destroy America is economically, encourages the internal policies that would do so.

Eh, I seriously doubt it. Much the same way I doubt he cares who we elect. The Gadahn theory sounds more likely to me.

126 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:58:00pm

re: #121 Aceofwhat?

If it helps, i don't think in 7 years of reading i've seen someone say that we should not have spending or a government...although there were probably some among legendary flounces that i never got a chance to see...

I'm not suggesting anyone here does I'm just aruging that why should "tax and spend" be an insulting phrase? It's the basis of our government. It'd be like saying "yet another typical electoral college loving Republican!"

127 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:58:15pm

re: #118 Thanos

This is a change I've noticed since 2006 -- fundamentalist Wahhabism isn't a great recruiting draw outside of certain countries, so they use revolutionary international socialist causes, and anything else they can latch onto as a draw.

I think that radical islamists have been doing that for some time. There are a lot of moonbat leftists who believe that the Palestinians are going to turn Israel into some kind of utopian socialist workers paradise if they could just get rid of those damn capitalist imperialist 'zionazis'.

If it wasn't such a serious issue it would be comedy gold.

128 darthstar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:58:37pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

An old favorite. I want to get one of those pink burqas for a Halloween party some year.

Back when Osama was first getting all the press, I wanted to find a burqa and take pictures of models wearing them leaning over Ferraris - was going to be a "Women of the Taliban" calendar...I could have made millions.

129 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:58:48pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you suppose he actually likes Chomsky, or is this a lame attempt to connect with left-wing intellectuals in the West? Serious question here.

It's more like, he hates America as much as Chomsky does, and recognizes a kindred spirit.

130 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:59:22pm

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That line always puzzled me. I flipping LOVE "The Fifth Element", but that line has always left me scratching my head.

Is there something I missed? I've seen the movie a hundred times or so.

Well, he lived in a low-rent area, so it always struck me as an attempt to disguise his identity in a manner that would be typical of what the police would hear. He put his identification card on the neighbor's door to throw them off, so i thought it was a compromise between having to give them a name that they could verify and saying (*&! off, which would have gotten him in trouble.

holy long post about 5th element, batman...

131 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:59:24pm

re: #122 jamesfirecat

Well by that theory it's only a matter of time till "not only will you get 72 virgins in heaven but also 72 grams of weed here on Earth for you take before you commit the act which makes you a martyr!"

That's already a standard. Holy Warriors get "special dispensation" for things here on earth as it is. I think Charles even had a piece on Mullah Omar and crew about this a while back.

132 darthstar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:59:27pm

re: #96 arethusa

In the latest poll, McCain is up by 22 over his primary challenger.

Okay, so he's just being an obstinate asshole then?

133 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 1:59:52pm

re: #127 ArchangelMichael

I think that radical islamists have been doing that for some time. There are a lot of moonbat leftists who believe that the Palestinians are going to turn Israel into some kind of utopian socialist workers paradise if they could just get rid of those damn capitalist imperialist 'zionazis'.

If it wasn't such a serious issue it would be comedy gold.

I'd argue that sometime (SOMETIMES) things are funnier because they're serious issues. That's why Jon Stewart is so gut bustingly hilarious, you can either laugh or cry....

134 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:00:07pm

re: #127 ArchangelMichael

I think that radical islamists have been doing that for some time. There are a lot of moonbat leftists who believe that the Palestinians are going to turn Israel into some kind of utopian socialist workers paradise if they could just get rid of those damn capitalist imperialist 'zionazis'.

If it wasn't such a serious issue it would be comedy gold.

Yes, they are scrabbling for allies where ever they can find them.

135 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:00:10pm

re: #128 darthstar

Back when Osama was first getting all the press, I wanted to find a burqa and take pictures of models wearing them leaning over Ferraris - was going to be a "Women of the Taliban" calendar...I could have made millions.

or your very own personal fawtah...

136 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:00:21pm

Speaking of dead jihadis, *someone* got a big one.

Authorities in Dubai say they have identified several "European passport holders" as suspects in the killing of a Hamas military commander last week.

Preliminary investigations indicated Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was murdered by "a professional criminal gang" which followed him there, police said.

The suspects are thought to have fled the United Arab Emirates.

Hamas claims Israel killed Mr Mabhouh, a founder of the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades. Israel has not commented.

SNIP

137 cliffster  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:00:32pm

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That line always puzzled me. I flipping LOVE "The Fifth Element", but that line has always left me scratching my head.

Is there something I missed? I've seen the movie a hundred times or so.

I'm watching for someone to respond to your question

138 jdog29  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:01:22pm

re: #134 Thanos

Yes, they are scrabbling for allies where ever they can find them.

If they use all seven tiles, do they earn an extra ally? :-P

139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:01:25pm

re: #130 Aceofwhat?

Well, he lived in a low-rent area, so it always struck me as an attempt to disguise his identity in a manner that would be typical of what the police would hear. He put his identification card on the neighbor's door to throw them off, so i thought it was a compromise between having to give them a name that they could verify and saying (*&! off, which would have gotten him in trouble.

holy long post about 5th element, batman...

Huh. Luc just made it up.

140 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:01:43pm

re: #126 jamesfirecat

I'm not suggesting anyone here does I'm just aruging that why should "tax and spend" be an insulting phrase? It's the basis of our government. It'd be like saying "yet another typical electoral college loving Republican!"

To me, it's because of the Herculean effort required to reduce gov't spending. And it really means "tax [more] and spend [more]".

141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:02:09pm

re: #137 cliffster

You're curious too?

142 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:02:11pm

Good afternoon everyone!
I am getting ready to head to a forum with Senator -elect Brown at 7pm here on the Cape. Because he always makes a point to speak with everyone in the room individually, I will speak with him personally tonight about our Tea Party concerns. I have made a list of things he should look into, and included a BOLD reference to the links here on LGF so that he knows where to find the info I will ask him to look into. Charles, is it OK if I suggest he e-mail you privately if he or his staff have any questions about the Tea Party management? I will make sure he knows where to find the contact form.

143 arethusa  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:02:58pm

re: #118 Thanos

This is a change I've noticed since 2006 -- fundamentalist Wahhabism isn't a great recruiting draw outside of certain countries, so they use revolutionary international socialist causes, and anything else they can latch onto as a draw.

I doubt very much bin Laden cares about climate change. It's rather that it's something that can be blamed on the US and usually is among the revolutionary causes you mention, and that's what's drawing him in.

Although I bet he has almost no carbon footprint to speak of, in hiding as he is!/

144 brookly red  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:03:11pm

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That line always puzzled me. I flipping LOVE "The Fifth Element", but that line has always left me scratching my head.

Is there something I missed? I've seen the movie a hundred times or so.

it is exactly what it sounds like no...

145 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:03:40pm

re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, the term itself? Yeah, i think he just tried to think of something funny. Success!

146 captdiggs  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:04:14pm

I'm reminded of the famous scene in "My Cousin Vinny".

Your honor "everything that guy just said is bullshit".
~Vinny

;-)

147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:04:26pm

re: #145 Aceofwhat?

heh. Never occurred to me to just flippin' google it.

148 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:04:33pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Ok, this is pretty damn funny...
Charlie Brooker - How To Report The News

[Video]Some NSFW language

Heh. I've been watching this guy's show for a couple of weeks. He's got the Newsnight reporting style well sussed.

149 arethusa  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:04:37pm

re: #132 darthstar

Okay, so he's just being an obstinate asshole then?

Isn't that what mavericks do?/

Actually, I would imagine he thinks Pay-Go could be used an an argument to raise taxes. For you and me, something like Pay-Go works on an individual and family level, but a state can always raise taxes if it can't find the money to pay for its programs.

150 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:05:03pm

re: #142 CapeCoddah

Good afternoon everyone!
I am getting ready to head to a forum with Senator -elect Brown at 7pm here on the Cape. Because he always makes a point to speak with everyone in the room individually, I will speak with him personally tonight about our Tea Party concerns. I have made a list of things he should look into, and included a BOLD reference to the links here on LGF so that he knows where to find the info I will ask him to look into. Charles, is it OK if I suggest he e-mail you privately if he or his staff have any questions about the Tea Party management? I will make sure he knows where to find the contact form.

MARVELOUS!

151 cliffster  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:05:05pm

re: #146 captdiggs

I'm reminded of the famous scene in "My Cousin Vinny".

Your honor "everything that guy just said is bullshit".
~Vinny

;-)

objection your honor - argumentative

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:05:10pm

re: #118 Thanos

This is a change I've noticed since 2006 -- fundamentalist Wahhabism isn't a great recruiting draw outside of certain countries, so they use revolutionary international socialist causes, and anything else they can latch onto as a draw.

A million bazillion updings for a very good analysis, although I think the origins of it predates 2006. Immediately following 9/11, Westerners were already trying to fit the attacks into a blame-America, the-First-World-done-wronged-everyone context, from which the image of the poor and desperate terrorist still lingers on. The situation with the Palestinians and Western activists also played a part. Only a matter of time before al-Qaeda started to play along.

153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:06:35pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

(that's a lot of up-dings)

154 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:06:46pm

re: #142 CapeCoddah

Good afternoon everyone!
I am getting ready to head to a forum with Senator -elect Brown at 7pm here on the Cape. Because he always makes a point to speak with everyone in the room individually, I will speak with him personally tonight about our Tea Party concerns. I have made a list of things he should look into, and included a BOLD reference to the links here on LGF so that he knows where to find the info I will ask him to look into. Charles, is it OK if I suggest he e-mail you privately if he or his staff have any questions about the Tea Party management? I will make sure he knows where to find the contact form.

It'll be interesting to see what he has to say but I think it's pretty clear that he sort of allowed the Tea Parties to support (and help) him even though he's a moderate. That's politics. If you could ask him where those flags came from at his acceptance speech I'd be very interested to hear his answer.

155 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:06:58pm

re: #143 arethusa

I doubt very much bin Laden cares about climate change. It's rather that it's something that can be blamed on the US and usually is among the revolutionary causes you mention, and that's what's drawing him in.

Although I bet he has almost no carbon footprint to speak of, in hiding as he is!/

Kinda sweaty in that cave, i'll bet...

Kinda hot in these rhinos

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:07:08pm

re: #127 ArchangelMichael

I think that radical islamists have been doing that for some time. There are a lot of moonbat leftists who believe that the Palestinians are going to turn Israel into some kind of utopian socialist workers paradise if they could just get rid of those damn capitalist imperialist 'zionazis'.

If it wasn't such a serious issue it would be comedy gold.

It's all about the poverty, dude.

//Seriously, if the poor of the world show up on my doorstep one fine day, kill me and eat me, well, they probably have the right. Radical Islamic terrorists don't get to play that game.

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:07:38pm

re: #155 Aceofwhat?

Without clicking, I am guessing Ace Ventura, Pet Detective.

159 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:07:48pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

Will do, Killgore.

160 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:08:08pm

re: #148 Jimmah

What's the show like? Is it a John Stewart-like news spoof program or is it a general comedy/skit show?

161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:08:22pm

re: #159 CapeCoddah

Have fun CapeCoddah!

162 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:08:24pm

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That line always puzzled me. I flipping LOVE "The Fifth Element", but that line has always left me scratching my head.

Is there something I missed? I've seen the movie a hundred times or so.

It's a term used to describe a feature of male anatomy... especially due to it's role in oral intercourse. There... I think I danced around that enough.

163 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:08:39pm

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

It's all about the poverty, dude.

//Seriously, if the poor of the world show up on my doorstep one fine day, kill me and eat me, well, they probably have the right. Radical Islamic terrorists don't get to play that game.

What if they're poor Islamic terrorists?

Serriously I do think poverty tend to drive people to stuff like that, after all a big part of how Hilter came to power because Germany was so f***ed finacially after WW1....

Or did I just loose the argument via godwin's law?

164 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:08:43pm

re: #149 arethusa

BINGO!

165 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:09:00pm

re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Without clicking, I am guessing Ace Ventura, Pet Detective.

right on

166 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:09:17pm
167 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:10:12pm

re: #161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I will do that too, FBV!

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:10:38pm

re: #165 Aceofwhat?

Oh, then I clicked. Then, I got the nic connection...

169 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:10:38pm

re: #166 Ben Hur

I'm not defending that either, just so you know.

170 cliffster  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:10:44pm

re: #167 CapeCoddah

I will do that too, FBV!

Break a leg, CapeCoddah!

171 The Sanity Inspector  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:10:45pm

re: #163 jamesfirecat

What if they're poor Islamic terrorists?

Serriously I do think poverty tend to drive people to stuff like that, after all a big part of how Hilter came to power because Germany was so f***ed finacially after WW1...

Or did I just loose the argument via godwin's law?

I oppose & demand protection from both the predatory rich and the predatory poor. Their lives are not my fault.

172 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:10:58pm

re: #163 jamesfirecat

What if they're poor Islamic terrorists?

Serriously I do think poverty tend to drive people to stuff like that, after all a big part of how Hilter came to power because Germany was so f***ed finacially after WW1...

Or did I just loose the argument via godwin's law?

Eh, i'm always surprised to hear about how this bomber or that bomber came from either a middle-class or relatively affluent family (at least with respect to the economic milieu of their home country).

Take the Xmas bomber...dad is a rich big shot in Nigeria. That guy had everything.

173 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:11:17pm

re: #169 JasonA

I'm not defending that either, just so you know.

I know.

174 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:11:42pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

A million bazillion updings for a very good analysis, although I think the origins of it predates 2006. Immediately following 9/11, Westerners were already trying to fit the attacks into a blame-America, the-First-World-done-wronged-everyone context, from which the image of the poor and desperate terrorist still lingers on. The situation with the Palestinians and Western activists also played a part. Only a matter of time before al-Qaeda started to play along.

Yes and I'm sure they've got a recruiting angle for every hotspot in the world, from Nagorno-Karbahk to the Columbia/Venezuelan border.

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:12:04pm

That SpongeBob episode was awesome!

176 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:12:36pm

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, then I clicked. Then, I got the nic connection...

Actually, that's not it. I was so freaked out after waiting for so long to find an open registration thread, that in five seconds my thought process went "what's something to describe me...let's see, i'm an ace of...what, exactly?"

so there ya go-

177 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:12:48pm

re: #170 cliffster

LOL< DONT say that!! It is bitching cold and icy here, and I am well known for being a klutz! I would not break my leg, I would break my neck!

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:13:14pm

re: #172 Aceofwhat?

Eh, i'm always surprised to hear about how this bomber or that bomber came from either a middle-class or relatively affluent family (at least with respect to the economic milieu of their home country).

Take the Xmas bomber...dad is a rich big shot in Nigeria. That guy had everything.

But a brain.

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:13:16pm

re: #163 jamesfirecat

What if they're poor Islamic terrorists?

Serriously I do think poverty tend to drive people to stuff like that, after all a big part of how Hilter came to power because Germany was so f***ed finacially after WW1...

Or did I just loose the argument via godwin's law?

Poverty plays a role in this, in that a poor, undeveloped, tribal country like Afghanistan or even Pakistan is an ideal playground for terrorists to move into.

Islamic fundamentalist terror, however, is basically a deadly ideological game for rich Arab boys to play. Some people get in, or get used, who aren't rich or aren't Arab, but the basic situation remains unchanged.

The one exception I can think of is the Palestinian suicide attacks of the last intifada, in which money as well as social pressure was used to recruit bombers--in that case, poverty is still not the root cause, but, I think, played a bigger role in that there was a stock of broke cannon fodder living within walking/driving distance of the intended target.

180 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:14:00pm
181 Aceofwhat?  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:14:24pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

that was particularly well said...

182 Ben Hur  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:15:05pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Poverty plays a role in this, in that a poor, undeveloped, tribal country like Afghanistan or even Pakistan is an ideal playground for terrorists to move into.

Islamic fundamentalist terror, however, is basically a deadly ideological game for rich Arab boys to play. Some people get in, or get used, who aren't rich or aren't Arab, but the basic situation remains unchanged.

The one exception I can think of is the Palestinian suicide attacks of the last intifada, in which money as well as social pressure was used to recruit bombers--in that case, poverty is still not the root cause, but, I think, played a bigger role in that there was a stock of broke cannon fodder living within walking/driving distance of the intended target.

Poverty plays a role insomuch that where ever the state fails, religious groups exploit the vacuum.

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:15:10pm

re: #181 Aceofwhat?

that was particularly well said...

Why, thank you!

184 MandyManners  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:16:17pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Poverty plays a role in this, in that a poor, undeveloped, tribal country like Afghanistan or even Pakistan is an ideal playground for terrorists to move into.

Islamic fundamentalist terror, however, is basically a deadly ideological game for rich Arab boys to play. Some people get in, or get used, who aren't rich or aren't Arab, but the basic situation remains unchanged.

The one exception I can think of is the Palestinian suicide attacks of the last intifada, in which money as well as social pressure was used to recruit bombers--in that case, poverty is still not the root cause, but, I think, played a bigger role in that there was a stock of broke cannon fodder living within walking/driving distance of the intended target.

Didn't Saddam Hussein pay the splodey-dopes' families around $35,000.00?

186 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:16:44pm

OT: I just skimmed the Hot Air thread on Obama's Gop talk. AP gets it (more or less) and acknowledges that Obama did well but the readers are out of their minds with rage that the GOP allowed Obama to spout lies unchallenged. I think this is going to be a regular meeting. The GOP has two choices. 1) they can try to turn this into political theater and try to hit Obama with "gotcha" questions, read long rambling monologues, etc. or 2) The GOP politicians are going to have to start educating their base on realistic policies and practical politics.

I don't see option #1 working out well for the GOP. Obama is pretty good at thinking on his feet and I don't think he's going to fall for easy "death panel" type crap.
#2 might lead to RINO hunts.
It'll be very interesting to see what becomes of this.

187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:17:28pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Gosh, you're smart.

I LOVE THIS BLOG!

188 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:17:52pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Poverty plays a role in this, in that a poor, undeveloped, tribal country like Afghanistan or even Pakistan is an ideal playground for terrorists to move into.

Islamic fundamentalist terror, however, is basically a deadly ideological game for rich Arab boys to play. Some people get in, or get used, who aren't rich or aren't Arab, but the basic situation remains unchanged.

The one exception I can think of is the Palestinian suicide attacks of the last intifada, in which money as well as social pressure was used to recruit bombers--in that case, poverty is still not the root cause, but, I think, played a bigger role in that there was a stock of broke cannon fodder living within walking/driving distance of the intended target.

Well said, and furthermore the modern iteration of this is just a long running extension of what I characterize as the "Islamic Game of State." Most Islamic countries work incessantly to keep their neighbors destabilized, and terror has in the past just been one of the tools. Their problem now is that it's pent up mostly and they've figured out that most tools have two edges. Ouch for them.
/see Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, etc. etc. where their "destabilization agents" have come home to roost

189 CapeCoddah  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:23:07pm

Goodnight, folks.. I am off. If I am home early enough, I will let you all know what happens. I may end up going out with some cousins after the forum, though, as the Town of Falmouth is lousy with us and we are all supporters, so I expect to be dragged out by the familial horde afterwards. Tomorrow morning at the latest, I will let you all know!

190 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:23:25pm

re: #184 MandyManners

Didn't Saddam Hussein pay the splodey-dopes' families around $35,000.00?

Something like that. I don't know how many payments were actually made, but it was reported that he had offered the money and some families did get it.

191 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:24:04pm

re: #97 SixDegrees

Question about this. Apparently it originates with Luke Russert at MSNBC, saying "One Republican said to me, off the record, behind closed doors: 'It was a mistake that we allowed the cameras to roll like that. We should not have done that.'" I'm just wondering, which one Republican was that? Mainly because I tend to be hypersensitive over the use of unnamed sources of any kind, but also because I'm curious who would make such a statement, particularly under the circumstances.

It's pretty easy to b.s. your way through some tough, but polite, questioning. If they want to do it like this, then it might be interesting.

192 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:25:18pm

For those of us who like metal things hurling through the air...

Russian 5th Gen PAK FA T-50 fighter makes first ever flight

193 Aye Pod  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:28:33pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

What's the show like? Is it a John Stewart-like news spoof program or is it a general comedy/skit show?

It's a review of the television news media, poking fun at both the subject of news reports and (especially) the way they are reported.

194 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:30:12pm

Good afternoon!

I'm looking for Gus to see if remembers the name of a movie.

I forgot if there's a way to find if he's logged into LGF in general. I found the Show Users button at the end of the threads, but I'm wondering if it's necessary to look at each thread to see if he's here. Who knows?

195 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:30:57pm

re: #71 Charles

It was mentioned in the NYT piece but it has come up before as a suggestion. The idea is to let other people be featured more in those lists. Maybe I'll try enabling the ratings but keeping myself out of the list, as some suggested.

I'd upding that, but I can't.

196 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:34:23pm

re: #46 Charles

Since I've been experimenting with making my own comments unrateable (+/- buttons are disabled), what's the general opinion on it? Like it or don't?

Late to the party, but I can see why!

You DO sorta have a competitive "home field advantage". Many times i'll check Top Ten and you have 5 (or more) of them ,, :(

Whhhaaaaaaa !!
/

197 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:34:30pm

I guess from what I've seen and heard from you guys it sounds like the the leaders of these movements tend to be rich and the rank and file are either A: Poor enough that they'll go along with anything (to parapharse Bioshock "These aren't poor houses, they're recruitment centers for my army, you give a buy a bowl of soup and a place to live, and they give you everything!") or B: people who for whatever reason don't seem to have their heads on straight at all like the underwear bomber.

198 arielle  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:37:16pm

Charles, maybe this has been mentioned before but maybe you could have your own top ten list? "Top ten comments by Charles!" When you have a particularly good comment I like reading it; then sometimes I'll go back and see what other people have written in that thread. Your comments can be a good launching pad.

199 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:38:24pm

re: #71 Charles

It was mentioned in the NYT piece but it has come up before as a suggestion. The idea is to let other people be featured more in those lists. Maybe I'll try enabling the ratings but keeping myself out of the list, as some suggested.

I think that this would work best, if it isn't that difficult to implement. That way, we can still give you props for the more insightful comments and have them show up in-thread, while not affecting the "best of the day" posts of the lizards in general.

200 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:38:55pm

re: #194 Silvergirl

Good afternoon!

I'm looking for Gus to see if remembers the name of a movie.

I forgot if there's a way to find if he's logged into LGF in general. I found the Show Users button at the end of the threads, but I'm wondering if it's necessary to look at each thread to see if he's here. Who knows?

You can look up his profile, either by finding a post of his and clicking his avatar, or by typing it in: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

201 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:41:00pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Poverty plays a role in this, in that a poor, undeveloped, tribal country like Afghanistan or even Pakistan is an ideal playground for terrorists to move into.

Islamic fundamentalist terror, however, is basically a deadly ideological game for rich Arab boys to play. Some people get in, or get used, who aren't rich or aren't Arab, but the basic situation remains unchanged.

The one exception I can think of is the Palestinian suicide attacks of the last intifada, in which money as well as social pressure was used to recruit bombers--in that case, poverty is still not the root cause, but, I think, played a bigger role in that there was a stock of broke cannon fodder living within walking/driving distance of the intended target.

It might not be poverty per se, but the second-order effect of hopelessness. If you are poor, but think your kid can be better off, you don't act like someone who is sure his kid and grandkids, and great-grandkids will always be poor.

202 Silvergirl  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:44:25pm

re: #200 wrenchwench

You can look up his profile, either by finding a post of his and clicking his avatar, or by typing it in: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks--I appreciate that! I forgot about the profile. It doesn't look like he's around right now.

203 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 2:44:31pm

re: #198 arielle

Charles, maybe this has been mentioned before but maybe you could have your own top ten list? "Top ten comments by Charles!" When you have a particularly good comment I like reading it; then sometimes I'll go back and see what other people have written in that thread. Your comments can be a good launching pad.

Better yet, how about sticking the post ratings on the "recent comments" list when accessing user data by clicking on their avatar? That way we could not only see ratings on a particular thread, but could see trends on particular posters.

204 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 3:28:15pm

Next Up: OBL interviews Howard Zinn.

205 garzooma  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 7:30:06pm

The Atlantic has a list of possible other topics that OBL will address. Two of my favorites:

Middle East analyst Colin Cookman: "next OBL tape blames WalMart for crowding out local South Waziristan small businesses"

and

Agence France-Presse's Olivier Knox predicts bin Laden taking sides in the Conan O'Brien flap: "We will stamp out the Team CoCo infidels!"

206 miguelj  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 9:27:04pm

James Cameron is on pins-and-needles right now, hoping desperately that bin Laden does not decide to praise 'Avatar' :>)

207 jordash1212  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:47:54pm

Osama Bin Laden is buried under 20 tons of Tora Bora rock. Case closed.


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