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1 windsagio  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:01:10pm

I threw it out briefly much earlier, but the beginning of an open thread seems a good place for it ;)

I've commissioned a piece from WUB for my xbox arcade stick. Once its done I'll post it here :D

2 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:02:36pm

re: #1 windsagio

I threw it out briefly much earlier, but the beginning of an open thread seems a good place for it ;)

I've commissioned a piece from WUB for my xbox arcade stick. Once its done I'll post it here :D

What's WUB?

3 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:03:20pm

WindUpBird, methinks?

4 windsagio  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:03:41pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

WindUpBird

5 Kragar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:03:57pm

I claim this thread in the name of ME!

6 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:05:35pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I claim this thread in the name of ME!

Narcissist!

7 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:06:54pm

The LOST discussion in the last thread leads me to throw this hand grenade:

Warning, this can suck up enormous amounts of time:


TV Tropes.org

8 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:07:00pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I claim this thread in the name of ME!

*Hurls Force Lightning at Kragar*
Bow down before your new Supreme Imperator, Darth Varek Raith.

9 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:12:07pm

re: #8 Varek Raith

*Hurls Force Lightning at Kragar*
Bow down before your new Supreme Imperator, Darth Varek Raith.

DF's Super Star Destroyer (Thunderer, great name for a warship) blast Kragar's orbiting ship to dust.

/Stay on Target

10 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:13:12pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

So you chose the evil ending in Kotor?

11 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:13:49pm

re: #7 Obdicut

My favorite.
There Is No Kill Like Overkill

Sometimes, the act of killing an opponent can be completely overdone. A prime example would be shooting an enemy until they're almost dead, then, to finish them off, completely blowing up their body and everything else in a five mile radius. All in all, it's waste of resources, tactics, and time.

...but it's always, always worth it. Always. Especially if the enemy is just hanging on up until the end. Actually, that's just cruel.

12 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:15:29pm

re: #11 Varek Raith

The writing on TvTropes is top-notch. One can lose hours to that place.

13 Bagua  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:16:41pm

Nothing But The Water pt. 1

MP3 Audio

- Grace Potter
14 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:17:11pm

re: #10 Obdicut

So you chose the evil ending in Kotor?

What's that?

15 Kragar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:17:13pm

re: #8 Varek Raith

*Hurls Force Lightning at Kragar*
Bow down before your new Supreme Imperator, Darth Varek Raith.

I'll not suffer your blandishment, foul warp spawn.

16 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:17:45pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

DF's Super Star Destroyer (Thunderer, great name for a warship) blast Kragar's orbiting ship to dust.

/Stay on Target

I always thought "Invictus" would make for a great Star Destroyer name.

17 Kragar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:18:34pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

DF's Super Star Destroyer (Thunderer, great name for a warship) blast Kragar's orbiting ship to dust.

/Stay on Target

Unfortunately, your ship was infiltrated via boarding torpedoes and teleport assault squads before you even had a chance.

18 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:18:45pm

re: #10 Obdicut

So you chose the evil ending in Kotor?

Yes. What you can do to Carth when you're Dark Side female is just PRICELESS!
Muhahahaha!

19 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:19:37pm

re: #16 JasonA

I always thought "Invictus" would make for a great Star Destroyer name.

It would, for an Imperial-class Star Destroyer. A Super needs something grander. Thunderer was a British Battleship name that has shown up in Scifi more than once, always as the name of a large and powerful ship.

20 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:20:32pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

It would, for an Imperial-class Star Destroyer. A Super needs something grander. Thunderer was a British Battleship name that has shown up in Scifi more than once, always as the name of a large and powerful ship.

I called mine Heretic's End.

21 windsagio  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:20:54pm

re: #20 Varek Raith

Is there anything to be Heretical about? >>

22 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:22:41pm

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Unfortunately, your ship was infiltrated via boarding torpedoes and teleport assault squads before you even had a chance.

My ship has two full stormtrooper divisions aboard. Your assault force was crushed and your ship still blown out on space. The survivors were thrown out the airlock without space suits, as a warning to all those who would dare defy the power of the Sith.

23 Kragar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:25:08pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

My ship has two full stormtrooper divisions aboard. Your assault force was crushed and your ship still blown out on space. The survivors were thrown out the airlock without space suits, as a warning to all those who would dare defy the power of the Sith.

Storm Troopers can't even beat a handful of koala bears armed with sticks and rocks. They probably killed themselves putting their armor on.

Grey Knights > Sith

24 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:26:32pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Storm Troopers can't even beat a handful of koala bears armed with sticks and rocks. They probably killed themselves putting their armor on.

Grey Knights > Sith

In the PC game, Empire At War, I always use the Death Star on Endor and Naboo. Always.

25 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:29:14pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Storm Troopers can't even beat a handful of koala bears armed with sticks and rocks. They probably killed themselves putting their armor on.

Grey Knights > Sith

Seriously, you're bring 40K into this. Don't make me laugh. It's Emperor had half his military turn on him. Palpatine was a much better commander chooser than that. Moreover, if you've got room for powered armor, I've likely got room for AT-ST walkers. You still lose. :P

/This is what happens when geeks collide.

26 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:29:27pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Storm Troopers can't even beat a handful of koala bears armed with sticks and rocks. They probably killed themselves putting their armor on.

Grey Knights > Sith

It was really hard to take the clone troopers seriously in the prequels after being raised seeing their successors fleeing a single smuggler in the corridors of the Death Star.

27 windsagio  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:30:02pm

its a generational thing I think, in the other thread we were arguing about the pronunciation of "Cthulu"

;)

28 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:30:35pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Storm Troopers can't even beat a handful of koala bears armed with sticks and rocks. They probably killed themselves putting their armor on.

Grey Knights > Sith

But the koala bears had rocks, how were we to know they had access to that level of technology!

29 Kragar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:30:36pm

re: #24 Varek Raith

In the PC game, Empire At War, I always use the Death Star on Endor and Naboo. Always.

EOR #56: My Legions of Terror will be trained in basic marksmanship. Any who cannot learn to hit a man-sized target at 10 meters will be used for target practice.

30 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:31:07pm

re: #28 ausador

But the koala bears had rocks, how were we to know they had access to that level of technology!

AND STICKS! OH NOEZ!

31 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:31:26pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Knights of the Old Republic, a PC game in the Star Wars canon. Good one, too.

32 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:32:19pm

And people wonder why most fans insist Empire was the best, period. Competent antagonists always make things more interesting.

33 Kragar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:32:43pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

Seriously, you're bring 40K into this. Don't make me laugh. It's Emperor had half his military turn on him. Palpatine was a much better commander chooser than that. Moreover, if you've got room for powered armor, I've likely got room for AT-ST walkers. You still lose. :P

/This is what happens when geeks collide.

Palpatine reign was over in 20 something years, God-Emperor of Terra 10,000 years and still going.

Point, God Emperor of Terra.

34 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:33:03pm

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

EOR #56: My Legions of Terror will be trained in basic marksmanship. Any who cannot learn to hit a man-sized target at 10 meters will be used for target practice.

Precisely.

Now, my D20 Sith Lord could crush a Star Destroyer like a tin can with the Force just by casually clenching his fist. Your power armored boyscouts would be toast.

/Hey, let's do Star Trek vs Star Wars next! :D

35 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:33:06pm

re: #31 Obdicut

Knights of the Old Republic, a PC game in the Star Wars canon. Good one, too.

Sorry. It looked very much like a 40K character.

36 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:35:02pm

Warhammer fans might appreciate this. Action starts around 2:30 and it's much better in HD.

Youtube Video
37 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:35:05pm

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Palpatine reign was over in 20 something years, God-Emperor of Terra 10,000 years and still going.

Point, God Emperor of Terra.

Yes, but does he have Force Lightning? Because if he doesn't, Darth Varek is going to treat him to a "light show". One he won't enjoy very much. >:D

38 Lidane  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:36:39pm

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

EOR #56: My Legions of Terror will be trained in basic marksmanship. Any who cannot learn to hit a man-sized target at 10 meters will be used for target practice.

EOR #25: No matter how well it would perform, I will never construct any sort of machinery which is completely indestructible except for one small and virtually inaccessible vulnerable spot.

39 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:36:42pm

re: #34 Varek Raith

Precisely.

Now, my D20 Sith Lord could crush a Star Destroyer like a tin can with the Force just by casually clenching his fist. Your power armored boyscouts would be toast.

/Hey, let's do Star Trek vs Star Wars next! :D

As long as no one mentions ninjas vs. pirat....oops my bad. ;)

40 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:38:53pm

re: #32 JasonA

And people wonder why most fans insist Empire was the best, period. Competent antagonists always make things more interesting.

That's why I love the Timothy Zahn Star Wars novels featuring Grand Admiral Thrawn. He's an excellent antagonist, and one you can oppose but not really hate. He's not a good guy, but he's not vile either.

41 Kragar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:39:57pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but does he have Force Lightning? Because if he doesn't, Darth Varek is going to treat him to a "light show". One he won't enjoy very much. >:D

He has the power to launch a telepathic signal across the galaxy, people go blind if they merely glance at him and he can channel his might into people known as living saints. Force lightning might get his attention if he happened to be looking that way at the time.

42 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:40:10pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

That's why I love the Timothy Zahn Star Wars novels featuring Grand Admiral Thrawn. He's an excellent antagonist, and one you can oppose but not really hate. He's not a good guy, but he's not vile either.

Thrawn was the man. Zahn almost had me rooting for the bastard.

43 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:41:06pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #8 Varek Raith

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

It matters not, your efforts are in vain.

You all fail a SAN check, and now I eath your thoughts.

:mmm, tastes like FAIL:

44 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:44:14pm

Courtesy of TV Tropes, here is how the Tea Partiers view the current administration:
Commie Nazis

45 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:46:07pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #8 Varek Raith

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

It matters not, your efforts are in vain.

You all fail a SAN check, and now I eath your thoughts.

:mmm, tastes like FAIL:

Nope. I'm already crazy, so I don't need to make San rolls.

46 Kragar  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:50:03pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

re: #8 Varek Raith

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

It matters not, your efforts are in vain.

You all fail a SAN check, and now I eath your thoughts.

:mmm, tastes like FAIL:

My faith in the Emperor guards me with the armour of contempt for your warp spawned heresy.

47 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:50:09pm

re: #44 JasonA

Keep that one on the back burner for the next time such a thing comes up here. You know it will.

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

Nope. I'm already crazy, so I don't need to make San rolls.

I still eat your thoughts. Hmmm... they taste... squirmy.

48 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:52:29pm

re: #47 Slumbering Behemoth

Keep that one on the back burner for the next time such a thing comes up here. You know it will.

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

I still eat your thoughts. Hmmm... they taste... squirmy.

Try. While you're doing that, Darth Varek has already taken over your mind:

"Kthulhu, this is not the world you were looking for. You're going to sleep".

49 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:53:31pm

*SPOILER ALERT*

Avatar - How It Should Have Ended

50 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:55:38pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

*YAWN!* Bai.

51 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 29, 2010 11:56:19pm

re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth

*SPOILER ALERT*

Avatar - How It Should Have Ended

LMAO!

52 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 12:02:04am

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My faith in the Emperor guards me with the armour of contempt for your warp spawned heresy.

Yeah, my bad with that warp storm thing, sorry. It's just... some of my cultists don't know how to chant properly. Probably WindUpBird's fault, actually.

53 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 12:04:49am

re: #52 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm gonna whip out my Infinity Gauntlet and remake this world into one in which I never saw that image.

54 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 12:06:50am

I'm going to get to bed. Sleep well, all.

55 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 12:11:17am

re: #53 JasonA

"Not so fast! Yoink!"

"Oops. BALLS!"

56 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 12:15:14am

re: #55 Slumbering Behemoth

"Not so fast! Yoink!"

"Oops. BALLS!"

lmao

I did love how Cap, knowing there wasn't a snowball's chance in hell, walked right up to him and basically said "Hit me."

57 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 12:21:56am

Freaking Comcast, again! My 28k modem was faster! :/
Sigh, night all!

58 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 12:35:07am

re: #57 Varek Raith

Yeah right. I had know idea there was a brand of rot-gut rum called "Freaking Comcast".

G'nite Lizards.

59 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 12:44:39am

Popping back in real quick for this one...

Stay on target!

G'nite again.

60 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:41:27am

re: #52 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, my bad with that warp storm thing, sorry. It's just... some of my cultists don't know how to chant properly. Probably WindUpBird's fault, actually.

I blame society.

61 srb1976  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:43:58am

Morning!

62 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:44:04am

Good Morning! Dang it's cold here...Send Hawaii!

63 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:44:08am

I defy anyone on LGF to find a geekier fucking thread than this one. Seriously, even I'm sort of at a loss for words :D

64 Kragar  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:46:17am

re: #63 WindUpBird

I defy anyone on LGF to find a geekier fucking thread than this one. Seriously, even I'm sort of at a loss for words :D

SILENCE! I will not hear such blasphemy on my thread!

65 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:47:40am

re: #63 WindUpBird

I defy anyone on LGF to find a geekier fucking thread than this one. Seriously, even I'm sort of at a loss for words :D

One morning we talked about entangled particles..Now that was geeky

66 Kragar  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:48:25am

And yes, I'm still at fucking work.

67 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:49:38am

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And yes, I'm still at fucking work.

Bummer dude..It's Saturday morning here

68 srb1976  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:50:45am

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And yes, I'm still at fucking work.

Don't feel too bad...I'm just getting ready to go back! (to work I mean)

69 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:51:10am

re: #65 HoosierHoops

One morning we talked about entangled particles..Now that was geeky

No, that was nerdy!

Nerds: talking about neural networks, particle physics, how best to send a manned mission to Mars, and space stations

Geeks: Talking about Dungeons and Dragons, the metabolic rate of zombies, which abyssal plane in the ocean where Great Cthulhu is actually slumbering on earth

70 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:52:17am

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And yes, I'm still at fucking work.

Ugh, my condolences. My longest work stretch was 48 straight hours, because I was snowed in and nobody else would relieve me. OTOH, there's downtime at my job. You are in my thoughts.

71 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:57:36am

re: #69 WindUpBird

No, that was nerdy!

Nerds: talking about neural networks, particle physics, how best to send a manned mission to Mars, and space stations

Geeks: Talking about Dungeons and Dragons, the metabolic rate of zombies, which abyssal plane in the ocean where Great Cthulhu is actually slumbering on earth

I prefer tell-all threads...I'm sure somebody here can beat Tiger and his 14 mistresses...

72 Kragar  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:05:30am

And after 21 hours, we're finally calling it and handing off to some other poor bastards, I'm going to fuck home.

73 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:07:06am

re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And after 21 hours, we're finally calling it and handing off to some other poor bastards, I'm going to fuck home.

Drive safe.

74 srb1976  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:10:07am

Later folks.....

ya'll take it easy = )

75 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:14:28am

re: #74 srb1976

Later folks...

ya'll take it easy = )

Take it easy..Have a great day at work
___ ____ ___
Well, I'm running down the road
tryin' to loosen my load
I've got seven women on my mind,
Four that wanna own me,
Two that wanna stone me,
One says she's a friend of mine,
Take it easy, take it easy
Don't let the sound of your own wheels
Drive you crazy
Lighten up while you still can
Don't even try to understand
Just find a place to make your stand
and take it easy

76 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:22:15am

Morning people. It's a sad day, I was supposed to leave for Miami this morning and now I'm not going.

77 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:26:53am

Early morning TV sucks..
I just watched a 'I can't believe it's not Butter' Commercial.
In what other world would that ad work in?
I can't believe it's not Chicken
I can't believe it's not Ice Cream
I can't believe it's not Kobe Beef
I can't believe it's not Mustard
I can't believe it's not Bread

78 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:28:30am

re: #77 HoosierHoops

Early morning TV sucks..
I just watched a 'I can't believe it's not Butter' Commercial.
In what other world would that ad work in?
I can't believe it's not Chicken
I can't believe it's not Ice Cream
I can't believe it's not Kobe Beef
I can't believe it's not Mustard
I can't believe it's not Bread

I can't believe my hookers not a woman.

79 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:28:47am

re: #76 RogueOne

Morning people. It's a sad day, I was supposed to leave for Miami this morning and now I'm not going.

I wish I had a buddy in Miami for Superbowl week...I'd hang out down there

80 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:30:54am

School system in Va. won't teach version of Anne Frank book

Culpeper County public school officials have decided to stop assigning a version of Anne Frank's diary, one of the most enduring symbols of the atrocities of the Nazi regime, after a parent complained that the book includes sexually explicit material and homosexual themes.
[...]
The ALA has documented only six challenges to "The Diary of Anne Frank" since it began monitoring formal written complaints to remove or restrict books in 1990. Most of the concerns were about sexually explicit material, Maycock said. One record dating to 1983 from an Alabama textbook committee said the book was "a real downer" and called for its rejection from schools.

81 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:30:54am

re: #78 RogueOne

I can't believe my hookers not a woman.

I'm going to the store later and will be picking up blue dye for my hair...All next week I'll have blue hair..And look damn good
Go Colts!

82 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:31:15am

re: #57 Varek Raith

Freaking Comcast, again! My 28k modem was faster! :/
Sigh, night all!

Comcast puts food on my table. Shut your mouth and pay your bill.///

83 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:32:52am

re: #79 HoosierHoops

I wish I had a buddy in Miami for Superbowl week...I'd hang out down there

I was looking forward to going. My guys are taking off in an hour or so and they'll be there through the super bowl.

84 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:35:26am

re: #80 iceweasel

Anne Frank?

Youtube Video
85 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:38:47am

re: #84 RogueOne

Anne Frank?


[Video]

"Ya always gotta be right, don'tcha? Nazi douchebag..."

What happened with Miami? Condolences!
(back in 5 or so...)

86 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:39:36am

re: #80 iceweasel

I was a little kid and read Anne Frank's book...It deeply effected me...
I don't care what school boards want kids to read..As a kid I read whatever the hell I wanted to read...I mostly read about sports hero's and have sports mags every day in the mailbox.
I have never read the catcher in the Rye and didn't even know what it was about till JD died the other day and read crap about him on cnn.com.
I'm not impressed..What a wasted life he was..I'm rambling
Good Morning

87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:41:09am

Snowing like hell here. Didn't see that comin'.

Shit.

88 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:42:30am

re: #85 iceweasel

We have a job starting in Miami monday morning. I've been planning on going but we had a rough day at the office yesterday and now I have to run around Indy monday stomping out fires and letting people yell at me some more.

89 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:46:17am

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Snowing like hell here. Didn't see that comin'.

Shit.

Where are you located FBV? I'm wondering how much snow they managed to get in ky.

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:47:14am

re: #89 RogueOne

I'm in Roanoke, VA. The Big Lick. The Star City of the South.

91 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:47:16am

re: #83 RogueOne

I was looking forward to going. My guys are taking off in an hour or so and they'll be there through the super bowl.

That sucks! Superbowl is coming to Indy...You can be here every day.. Hang out at the parties.. Watch ESPN Live...Dude I got free tiks to the FED-EX Suite for Reggie Miller's Retirement game..It Rocked..I have never seen so many Bentley..I pee'd next to Doctor Dunk in the bathroom.. It was great

92 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:50:38am

Looks like it's still snowing pretty heavy south of here. Sucks to be you.

93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:51:50am

re: #91 HoosierHoops

I peed next to Peyton Manning at Shula's Steakhouse in Indy.

94 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:52:42am

re: #91 HoosierHoops

That sucks! Superbowl is coming to Indy...You can be here every day.. Hang out at the parties.. Watch ESPN Live...Dude I got free tiks to the FED-EX Suite for Reggie Miller's Retirement game..It Rocked..I have never seen so many Bentley..I pee'd next to Doctor Dunk in the bathroom.. It was great

And no...Being in the bathroom with Dr. Dunk you can't ask to shake his hand..
That really sucks...any other time it would be like ''give me five Doctor!'
But not in the bathroom

95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:55:27am

re: #94 HoosierHoops

Sorry. Not a Pacers fan (but I loved Reggie Miller) had no IDEA who Doctor Dunk was. Read about him, just now. Still don't know who he is.

96 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:00:01am

re: #86 HoosierHoops

Howdy, Hoops honey! How are you?

I think Salinger (esp Catcher in the rye) is one of those books you have to read at the right time in your life (childhood, basically). I was 13 or so and even then I wasn't all that impressed with holden caulfield. Never much liked 9 Stories either.
I can't understand the mindset of someone (who isn't a neo-Nazi, say) who wants to ban Anne Frank or thinks it's "too much of a downer". WTF?

"It's really a wonder that I haven't dropped all my ideals, because they seem so absurd and impossible to carry out. Yet I keep them, because in spite of everything I still believe that people are really good at heart. I simply can't build up my hopes on a foundation consisting of confusion, misery, and death. I see the world gradually being turned into a wilderness, I hear the ever approaching thunder, which will destroy us too, I can feel the sufferings of millions and yet if I look up into the heavens, I think that it will all come right, that this cruelty too will end, and that peace and tranquility will return again." Saturday, 15 July, 1944, pg. 237

Quote 23: "[F]inally I twist my heart round again, so that the bad is on the outside and the good is on the inside, and keep on trying to find a way of becoming what I would so like to be, and what I could be, if... there weren't any other people living in the world." Tuesday, 1 August, 1944, pg. 241

97 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:02:13am

re: #93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I peed next to Peyton Manning at Shula's Steakhouse in Indy.

That is awesome!
Storm is just hitting you? Be safe.. It is brutally cold here..Poor Winston..
His ass is going out in it in a few minutes..You try pooping in 0 degrees with Ice cold blowing wind and snow....It must suck to be a dog..
Come here Winston..Let's put your Colts coat on...

98 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:08:05am

re: #96 iceweasel

Howdy, Hoops honey! How are you?

I think Salinger (esp Catcher in the rye) is one of those books you have to read at the right time in your life (childhood, basically). I was 13 or so and even then I wasn't all that impressed with holden caulfield. Never much liked 9 Stories either.
I can't understand the mindset of someone (who isn't a neo-Nazi, say) who wants to ban Anne Frank or thinks it's "too much of a downer". WTF?

I read Anne Frank when I was about 13...I'll say it here
I cried at the end..and I wanted to save her...No one could Save her...I have only read it once...It broke my heart at 13...
/What up Ice? Let's get this party started..

99 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:12:42am

re: #820 WindUpBird

YOU SIR

ARE AWESOME

(10001110101 periodic table with a centerpiece of mind)

Was going to post this response in the dead thread and changed my mind.

Wake up:
Clutch: 10001110101

Youtube Video
100 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:14:42am

So now there is a lawsuit about the Edwards Sex Tape...
I can't wait till it ends up on Youtube

101 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:17:28am

Anyone have a blackberry storm2 or Tour? I want an upgrade.

102 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:18:50am

re: #101 RogueOne

Anyone have a blackberry storm2 or Tour? I want an upgrade.

I use the world edition blackberry..I like it

103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:21:25am

re: #100 HoosierHoops

He's probably got the camera fixed on himself.

You can hear him saying, "Ouch! You're on my hair! Watch the hair!"

104 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:23:08am

re: #103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He's probably got the camera fixed on himself.

You can hear him saying, "Ouch! You're on my hair! Watch the hair!"

Say it Bitch..There is two America's! Say it!
/Don't touch the hair

105 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:23:58am

re: #103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rumor has it you can't even see her on the video.

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:25:09am

re: #104 HoosierHoops

re: #105 RogueOne

Can't believe so many people fell for his bullshit.

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:27:08am

A few still shots, then here's Edwards getting oral.

Youtube Video
108 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:27:26am

Listening to Clutch always leads to Monster Magnet:

Powertrip:

Youtube Video
109 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:30:33am

re: #105 RogueOne

Rumor has it you can't even see her on the video.

Did you see the alleged Tiger Sex tape at TMZ? It looked like him but it was goofy..I think it was fake..But with Tiger..Nothing suprises me anymore..I read abit about the Tell all coming out soon from one of his high priced hookers...OMG..In 20 years there will be the Tiger Woods Sex Clinics in Malibu...

110 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:31:29am

The Cardigans cover IRON MAN:

Youtube Video
111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:34:33am

re: #109 HoosierHoops

It would be difficult with women throwing themselves at you.

I wouldn't know. But, I imagine.

112 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:35:37am

re: #111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It would be difficult with women throwing themselves at you.

I wouldn't know. But, I imagine.

It's a curse, but I've learned to live with it.

113 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:40:17am

re: #112 RogueOne

It's a curse, but I've learned to live with it.

Must be your teeth.

114 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:43:35am

re: #111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It would be difficult with women throwing themselves at you.

I wouldn't know. But, I imagine.

Agreed..None of us here have had women throwing themselves at us..It must be a different world...007 times Rock star times worlds greatest athlete..
yet.We cannot judge that power on our character..That is a world we can see but we can not touch..
14 mistresses? Fuck you Tiger..

115 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:47:21am

More sexting hysteria:

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]


Last week, two middle school students in Valparaiso, Ind., were caught sending nude pictures of themselves to each other on their cell phones. The students were caught when the 13-year-old girl's cell phone rang in class, and her teacher confiscated it, according to a police report. The girl cried that she would get in trouble because a 12-year-old boy sent her a "dirty picture."

The boy sent the girl a picture of his genitals and requested that she do the same, the report said. The girl then texted him a picture of her naked, police said.

The students have been charged with child exploitation and possession of child pornography, both felonies. They were referred to the county's juvenile probation department, which will determine whether authorities pursue or drop the charges, Gensel said. If convicted, the students could be required to register as sex offenders, he said.

Sexting can ruin your life. To prove it, we’ll ruin your life.

116 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:49:29am

Good Morning all...

117 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:50:32am

re: #114 HoosierHoops

Computers love me, but women fear me...oh wait a minute..strike that reverse it...

118 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:50:39am

re: #116 PT Barnum

Good Morning all...

Good Morning

119 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:56:53am

I don't ever wanna hear fereigners tell we americans that we're the king of prudes when it comes to sex. I missed this yesterday:

[Link: www.boingboing.net...]

Australian censor board demands large-breasted pron-stars


"Australian Classification Board (ACB) is now banning depictions of small-breasted women in adult publications and films. They banned mainstream pornography from showing women with A-cup breasts, apparently on the grounds that they encourage paedophilia, and in spite of the fact this is a normal breast size for many adult women. Presumably small breasted women taking photographs of themselves will now be guilty of creating simulated child pornography, to say nothing of the message this sends to women with modestly sized chests or those who favour them...."

WTF is wrong with people.

Full Disclosure: I happen to be in the "those who favor them" camp.

120 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:58:05am

Winter in my soul
In a few months it will be spring..The pool will open and at this time Saturday morning I will be on the deck..Swimming laps and blogging with music blasting full blast..Winter really sucks...

121 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:58:30am

re: #119 RogueOne

As long as they're real and not silicone..I don't care..

122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:06:11am

re: #120 HoosierHoops

Winter in my soul
In a few months it will be spring..The pool will open and at this time Saturday morning I will be on the deck..Swimming laps and blogging with music blasting full blast..Winter really sucks...

Winter, slumbering in the open air, wears on its smiling face a dream... of spring.
-Coleridge
and
-Phil, "Groundhog Day".

123 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:07:14am

re: #120 HoosierHoops

In a few months, it will be 98 degrees by 10:00am, with >80% humidity. There will be no wind whatsoever, and the air will be too thick to breathe. Summer really sucks.

124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:07:52am

Oh, why not...

Work without Hope
by Samuel Taylor Coleridge

All Nature seems at work. Slugs leave their lair—
The bees are stirring—birds are on the wing—
And Winter slumbering in the open air,
Wears on his smiling face a dream of Spring!
And I the while, the sole unbusy thing,
Nor honey make, nor pair, nor build, nor sing.

Yet well I ken the banks where amaranths blow,
Have traced the fount whence streams of nectar flow.
Bloom, O ye amaranths! bloom for whom ye may,
For me ye bloom not! Glide, rich streams, away!
With lips unbrightened, wreathless brow, I stroll:
And would you learn the spells that drowse my soul?
Work without Hope draws nectar in a sieve,
And Hope without an object cannot live.

125 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:08:14am

re: #115 RogueOne

More sexting hysteria:

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

Sexting can ruin your life. To prove it, we’ll ruin your life.

All this sexting hysteria is out of control. Parents should be able to get cell phones for their kids that don't have photo capability, and computers or laptops without webcams. I really don't know why that isn't standard for parents anyway.
Problem solved.

126 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:11:21am

re: #123 negativ

In a few months, it will be 98 degrees by 10:00am, with >80% humidity. There will be no wind whatsoever, and the air will be too thick to breathe. Summer really sucks.

I love that..But some like it hot..
Winston and I will be floating around the pool in a few months...Hurrah Saturday Mornings!

127 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:14:30am

re: #125 iceweasel

Better still, people should quit freaking the hell out like their ass is on fire over the idea that some teenagers somewhere might see each others' boobs or butts or wieners or whatever. Grow the hell up, FFS.

128 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:15:04am

re: #110 negativ

The Cardigans cover IRON MAN:

[Video]

Infinitely superior to the original. Win!

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:15:14am

re: #126 HoosierHoops

some like it hot

and some sweat when the heat is on...

130 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:15:21am

re: #125 iceweasel

All this sexting hysteria is out of control. Parents should be able to get cell phones for their kids that don't have photo capability, and computers or laptops without webcams. I really don't know why that isn't standard for parents anyway.
Problem solved.

The company my spouse works for supplies blackberries w/o cameras.

131 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:17:06am

The new I-Pad doesn't have flash support?

[Link: theflashblog.com...]

eat it you Jobs freaks. Worst cult EVER!///

132 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:19:23am

re: #131 RogueOne

It's probably not a coincidence that "Flash" rhymes with "crash".

133 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:24:00am

re: #127 negativ

Better still, people should quit freaking the hell out like their ass is on fire over the idea that some teenagers somewhere might see each others' boobs or butts or wieners or whatever. Grow the hell up, FFS.

Most definitely.
At the same time, kids do use it to get into some serious trouble-- not to send each other pics of themselves, but to send and receive photos to and from adults, usually random freaks they meet online. Webcams are more of a problem in that regard.

Even so, that (real) threat is totally overblown. It's usually just cases of teenagers and preteens playing games and exploring sex, just like they've always done. Only now if they're unlucky (and it's usually the girls this happens to) they can wind up with their photos all over the school.
Teens are going to do this kind of thing. Instead of a puritanical freakout over it we should just acknowledge it.

134 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:25:12am

I don't see the iPad cutting much into the Laptop market..

135 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:27:17am

re: #131 RogueOne

The new I-Pad doesn't have flash support?

[Link: theflashblog.com...]

eat it you Jobs freaks. Worst cult EVER!///

Oh bugger. Build quality on apple products is awesome though - everything fits together so flush it's freaky. So when the thing turns out to be useless, you can always pass the time holding it up to the light and turning it around, admiring it from different angles etc.

136 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:32:46am

re: #135 Jimmah

Oh bugger. Build quality on apple products is awesome though - everything fits together so flush it's freaky. So when the thing turns out to be useless, you can always pass the time holding it up to the light and turning it around, admiring it from different angles etc.

lol--

Do people know the Fake Steve Jobs Blog? I haven't read it in a while, but it's pretty funny:

[Link: www.fakesteve.net...]

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:37:46am

My baby (adopted) brother's facebook page right now...

Whether you agree with his philosophies or not, no one can deny the extreme Intelligence that Obama brings to the table. He also has big brass ones.

I cannot think of a single person that would have gone to the oppositions stronghold in a televised Q and A session as he did last night. Those 140 congressmen were in their element, surrounded by their brothers and sisters, faced with being able to pick and choose their topics. Obama had no shot at coming out of this victorious... only he did. ... See MoreHe took on any and all questions, and for the most part did so with no deflecting or political hocus pocus. Hopefully he will come away with some amount of respect from the republicans in attendance, and actually be able to work with them. I believe that he will give if only they give some too.

At any rate, for really the first time in my life, I can say that I am Proud that I cast my Vote. I believe that is the best thing any American can ask of their President.

138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:39:11am

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hence my question... Whatinthehellhappenedlastnight?

139 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:42:33am

Prepare for the backlash

Because there is going to be one, trust me. This device isn’t as obvious as iPhone. It’s kind of subtle. Which means that those of you who have done the spiritual work to prepare for it will be fine, but those who haven’t done the work, well, they’re probably going to miss a lot of this at first. So you’ll see some noise about who needs this thing, it’s just a fancy desk ornament, and so on. I am telling you this now so that you can be ready for the harsh voices and they won’t hurt you when you hear them. Just let the negativity pass by you. Do not engage with it or try to fight it or argue with it. Step aside, and let the dark energy flow away.

Peace, enlightened beings. This is what you and I were put on earth to achieve. And that is what this device ultimately is about. Yes, you can read on it, and watch movies. But those are functions. Features. Those aren’t its purpose. The purpose of a device is something different altogether. What this is about is bringing people together to form the universal One, the great synchronization of human vibration in a global mesh of energy, like the planet in Avatar. That is the real goal. We are all one person. One spirit. I am inside you, and you are inside me. (Not really.) But anyway, do not allow yourselves to forget the higher purpose of what we are doing.

Oh, and we are totally going to fuck the cable carriers. But that too is just a side issue.

140 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:42:43am

re: #136 iceweasel

lol--

Do people know the Fake Steve Jobs Blog? I haven't read it in a while, but it's pretty funny:

[Link: www.fakesteve.net...]

That's priceless. Found this, linked on the site from the NY Times where it was apparently posted in all seriousness :

Why I Take Good Care of My Macintosh
By Gary Snyder

Because it broods under its hood like a perched falcon,
Because it jumps like a skittish horse and sometimes throws me,
Because it is poky when cold,
Because plastic is a sad, strong material that is charming to rodents,
Because it is flighty,
Because my mind flies into it through my fingers,
Because it leaps forward and backward, is an endless sniffer and searcher,
Because its keys click like hail on a boulder,
And it winks when it goes out,
And puts word-heaps in hoards for me, dozens of pockets of gold under boulders in streambeds, identical seedpods strong on a vine, or it stores bins of bolts;
And I lose them and find them,
Because whole worlds of writing can be boldly laid out and then highlighted and vanish in a flash at “delete,” so it teaches of impermanence and pain;
And because my computer and me are both brief in this world, both foolish, and we have earthly fates,
Because I have let it move in with me right inside the tent,
And it goes with me out every morning;
We fill up our baskets, get back home,
Feel rich, relax, I throw it a scrap and it hums.

141 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:44:16am

re: #136 iceweasel

lol--

Do people know the Fake Steve Jobs Blog? I haven't read it in a while, but it's pretty funny:

[Link: www.fakesteve.net...]

Great site. First two posts are hilarious. "Your second option is to go fuck yourself" HA!

142 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:46:57am

re: #141 RogueOne

Great site. First two posts are hilarious. "Your second option is to go fuck yourself" HA!

Ha-- yeah, I laughed my head off at that. :)

I read it from time to time a couple of years ago, back before anyone knew who wrote it and some particularly dense people were convinced it secretly was the real Steve Jobs.
Anyway tech-y folks will probably get a huge kick out of it.

143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:53:05am

re: #138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hence my question... Whatinthehellhappenedlastnight?

But, I repeat myself...

144 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:55:39am

re: #139 iceweasel

...Oh, and we are totally going to fuck the cable carriers. But that too is just a side issue.

That's actually a pretty serious issue. More and more people are moving away from their tv's and getting their content online. It's going to be interesting to see how cable companies try to keep up. I know comcast has added a ton of on-demand tv series to compete with sites like Hulu but it's not enough to keep people like me from just streaming Hulu through my xbox. Hulu has so many more options, on-demand isn't coming close to competing yet.

145 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:03:03am

re: #144 RogueOne

That's actually a pretty serious issue. More and more people are moving away from their tv's and getting their content online. It's going to be interesting to see how cable companies try to keep up. I know comcast has added a ton of on-demand tv series to compete with sites like Hulu but it's not enough to keep people like me from just streaming Hulu through my xbox. Hulu has so many more options, on-demand isn't coming close to competing yet.

Oh yeah-- it's a huge issue.
There was an article in the NYT recently about a couple who have just completely dropped TV and get all their 'tv' content from online. I have to say that's been true of both Jimmah and myself for a couple of years, even before we knew each other. Books, music, TV, and movies-- it's so easy now to find them all online. I haven't paid for cable at all in like 6 years-- until recently i didn't pay for internet either, just pirated wireless.

146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:11:06am

re: #145 iceweasel

Neighbor-net...

147 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:11:20am

Sick Puppies: The Bottom

If you wanna sink to the bottom with me
Come get gotten, reelin' and rotten beneath
1, 2, 3 and down you go
You'll be smilin' before you know
If you wanna sink to the bottom with me

[Chorus]
We're all rotten, buried and forgotten
Livin' it up underground
So take a ride
HEY! HEY! HEY! HEY!
You really can't be lookin' so surprised
If you can't beat them, might as well eat them
No one's gettin' out alive
Give it a try
HEY! HEY! HEY! HEY!
It really is a wicked way to die

Youtube Video
148 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:13:38am

re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Neighbor-net...

Yep!
I even asked my last neighbour if he wanted some money every month, but he laughed and didn't care. Wheeee!

149 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:17:48am

re: #147 RogueOne
Perfect music for an EFFIN cold Saturday morning. At least the sun is shining.
Thanks Rogue.
Morning Lizards.

150 trryhin  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:19:05am

Morning all. I don't care for the BCS system, but is this really something for the government to get involved in????

Justice Dept.: Obama administration may take action on BCS

[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

151 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:20:32am

re: #149 Cathypop

Sick Puppies is comin in may, I'm getting ready.

152 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:22:12am

re: #150 trryhin

Morning all. I don't care for the BCS system, but is this really something for the government to get involved in???

Justice Dept.: Obama administration may take action on BCS

[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

He'll have support. Sen. Hatch has been pushing it for awhile. I would like to think that they'd have better ways to spend their time.

153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:24:48am

re: #148 iceweasel

Yep!
I even asked my last neighbour if he wanted some money every month, but he laughed and didn't care. Wheee!

Then that's not stealing. That's sharing. Sharing is good.

C'mon people now!
Smile on your brother!
Everybody get together!
Try to love one another right now!

Ain't that sweet?

154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:27:24am

re: #150 trryhin

Morning all. I don't care for the BCS system, but is this really something for the government to get involved in???

Justice Dept.: Obama administration may take wants in on the action on BCS

[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

155 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:29:57am

re: #154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

too much money in the bowl games...everybody knows that and are afraid to try a playoff system...what happens if TCU goes all the way?...I mean wtf are they...the Fighting Toads?

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:30:14am

Again, Holder nor Obama called to ask me what I thought...

The only reason I was against it was because of logistics.

And I'm not that fuckin' smart...

157 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:32:57am

re: #141 RogueOne

Third prize is YOU'RE FIRED.

Youtube Video


/have worked for an outfit like that before
//never again
///will go homeless first

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:34:54am

re: #157 negativ

My boss tries that scare tactics bullshit sometimes, it works on some of the guys. I just snicker.

Really pisses him off.

159 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:35:46am

re: #144 RogueOne

anecdotal evidence:

I haven't subscribed to cable TV since 2007. However, I do enjoy a 20Mbit/s internet connection. Draw what conclusions you may.

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:39:50am

WHERE IN THE HELL IS EVERYBODY!

161 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:41:20am

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm here, ya big lug...:)

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:41:59am

Hiya!

163 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:44:11am

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

WHERE IN THE HELL IS EVERYBODY!

SSSHHHHHHHH! I am only on my first cup of coffee.

164 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:44:58am

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

WHERE IN THE HELL IS EVERYBODY!

I thought you'd never ask!

(link goes to awesomeness)

165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:45:23am

re: #163 Cathypop

SSSHHH! I am only on my first cup of coffee.

BABY! I'M FOUR IN! NOT EVEN HUNG OVER! WOOHOO... THERE'S A FOOT OF SNOW OUTSIDE MY DOOR AND I'VE ALREADY EATEN!

HOW YOU DOIN!?!?!?

166 Buck  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:45:24am

Is the recent racist remark from Chris Matthews not thread worthy? I mean if Rush, O'Reilly or Imus had said the stupid "I forgot he was black" comment we would be discussing how racist it was.

Previously:

Matthews: "Can Obama now win over the regular folks, white folks, against John McCain?"

Matthews: Obama "can't walk into a dinette with five or six guys there, white guys, in some cases ... He can't just shake hands and hang out"

Matthews: Does Obama "connect with regular people" or just African-Americans and college grads?

Matthews on Obama: "[T]his gets very ethnic, but the fact that he's good at basketball doesn't surprise anybody"

167 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:45:42am

re: #164 negativ

Love the first series..the remakes, not so much.

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:47:14am

re: #166 Buck

Liberals are not racists. Many say racist things. Many have racist beliefs. But, since they are liberals, they are by definition, not racists.

169 jdog29  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:47:54am

open one eye..... pour in coffee.

170 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:48:03am

re: #166 Buck

Buck, that's awful close to telling Charles what he should post on here.

171 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:48:35am

re: #166 Buck

I think you have to take it into context....

Matthews comments are more about white america's willingness to accept Obama than they are about Obama's race. The meme throughtout Matthews' comments have been about Obama overcoming those barriers.

Imus, on the other hand, was being pejorative and an asshat.

172 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:49:13am

re: #171 PT Barnum

I forgot to add, Tweety is a tool.

173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:49:15am

re: #166 Buck

re: #170 Obdicut

Obdicut is right, we are free to discuss it if we'd like. Doesn't have to be a thread topic...

174 ryannon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:49:31am

Wake up sharing video: Saul Leiter, a mostly-unknown but magnificent NYC photographer. He's an old fucker and will die soon. Like all of us, only a bit sooner. Even if photography generally leaves you indifferent (a big mistake, but nobody's perfect) there's nothing here not to like:

Youtube Video
175 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:50:48am

re: #171 PT Barnum

Matthews fucks up nearly every time he talks about race, and really ought to learn that he doesn't have any sort of tact around the topic. Once you've committed enough gaffes, it becomes kind of meta.

I think that Matthews should learn to shut the hell up about topics as complicated as race relations. He's incompetent to express himself on the topic.

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:51:15am

re: #171 PT Barnum

I agree and disagree.

There really is not a safe way for a white guy to speaking about race regarding the President. Safe council would be "Do not speak of race regarding the President".

My opinion.

177 Buck  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:51:26am

re: #175 Obdicut

Matthews fucks up nearly every time he talks about race, and really ought to learn that he doesn't have any sort of tact around the topic. Once you've committed enough gaffes, it becomes kind of meta.

I think that Matthews should learn to shut the hell up about topics as complicated as race relations. He's incompetent to express himself on the topic.

Would you give Rush the same pass?

178 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:52:46am

Testify!

Youtube Video
179 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:53:26am

re: #177 Buck

No because Rush is being deliberately provocative. Matthews is inartful about talking about it, but I don't think he's saying anything maliciously. Rush on the other hand is just an asshat, no matter what he's talking about.

180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:53:38am

re: #176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry... i changed the sentence but left some of the previous syntax in place.

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:53:55am

re: #179 PT Barnum

Not fair.

182 Buck  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:55:01am

re: #179 PT Barnum

No because Rush is being deliberately provocative. Matthews is inartful about talking about it, but I don't think he's saying anything maliciously. Rush on the other hand is just an asshat, no matter what he's talking about.

I get it.... when your public world view is in the left place, your heart is in the right place... but when your public world view is in the right place your an asshat....

Simple.

183 jdog29  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:55:19am

re: #173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #170 Obdicut

Obdicut is right, we are free to discuss it if we'd like. Doesn't have to be a thread topic...

Nope this is a "Chris Matthews is a closeted bigoted racist" free zone.

No one can make the point of how surprised Chris Matthew is that an African American male can continually put words together to make intelligent statements is so obviously racist. The only explanation is his "make racist comments free card" he picked up at the "but I have neighbors who know black people" convention.

184 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:55:27am

re: #181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Perhaps not, but Rush hasn't been particularly honest or reasonable for so long that I stopped paying attention, much less giving him any credence.

185 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:56:13am

and it hasn't stopped us from talking about it....constantly.

186 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:57:32am

Cable news and talk radio play to the lowest common denominator. It shouldn't come as a shock when they say stupid shit.

/snob

187 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:00:22am

re: #184 PT Barnum

I don't disagree, Rush is less relevant than he was... to me anyway.

I think Chris Matthews is fucking shocked with how intelligent Obama (a black man) is. I am basing that opinion on the fact that he can't seem to shut up about it.

How about that?

188 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:00:41am

re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Very cold. Going to make some breakfast. Hmm. What to have?

189 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:00:52am

Imus admitted in an interview with Mike Wallace he hired his staff to make racist jokes.

I suspect that Limbaugh says things he does because he's trying to be provacative and because those are the things his audience wants to hear.

Matthews is just a dipshit.

190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:02:05am

re: #188 Cathypop

I had a cheddar and fake bacon omelet (eggs are pre-meat, I know) and whole wheat toast... It was delicious.

191 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:02:38am

re: #189 PT Barnum

I don't give Matthews a pass, I don't think he can help himself from saying stupid stuff because he won't STFU.

Do I think he's racist? Not necessarily. I say stupid stuff all the time that I realize later was insensitive.

192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:02:56am

re: #189 PT Barnum

We have a perfect storm of agreement here.

193 Buck  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:03:58am

re: #171 PT Barnum

I think you have to take it into context...

Matthews comments are more about white america's willingness to accept Obama than they are about Obama's race.

Calling White folks "regular people", saying that it is not surprise that Obama is good at basketball, but not good at bowling, and the 'forgot he was black' comment does not seem to me to have anything to do with white america being willing to accept Obama...

But it does sound like you are shifting the blame for those comments.... it isn't Chris Matthews, it is white america at fault here...

194 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:04:19am

re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FAKE BACON!!!!!!??????

Cardinal Fang! Fetch the comfy chair! We have a heretic in the house.

195 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:04:26am

re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had a cheddar and fake bacon omelet (eggs are pre-meat, I know) and whole wheat toast... It was delicious.


Going to make a cheddar omelet with some kick-ass salsa I made last night. bbl.

196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:06:33am

re: #195 Cathypop

Salsa... mmm... Throw some jalapenos in the omelet!

197 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:07:06am

Keep your animals away from police dogs.

[Link: tinyurl.com...]

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:08:09am

re: #197 RogueOne

Oh, gawd.

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:09:15am

re: #183 jdog29

That reads as an attack on Charles, btw.

200 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:09:24am

re: #193 Buck

As I said before, Matthews is a dipshit, but he does make an important point, however inartfully.

Obama was a special candidate in that he was the equivelent of this:

Youtube Video

for a lot of white americans.

201 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:10:57am

re: #177 Buck

How am I giving him a pass, Buck, by calling him incompetent? I don't think he was attempting to race-bait with his comment, if that's what you mean-- that's usually what Rush is doing.

Do I think that this shows Matthews has some issues with race? Definitely. He basically said so-- he's admitting to it when he says that he forgot he was black; it implies that there are times he's very conscious of it.

But it wasn't race-baiting, which is what really pisses me off about Rush when he opens his yam about race.

I'd prefer both Rush and Matthews shut up about race, but that doesn't mean I think they're equivalent on the topic.

202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:13:34am

re: #201 Obdicut

I think you are being a bit partisan. But that's okay. We all are a bit partisan to some degree or the other.

I am watching the movie "Meteor" with Sean Connery.

This is one of the Connery movies that sucks.

203 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:13:41am

re: #201 Obdicut

The important point that Matthews makes (even if he didn't mean it that way) is that racism won't be gone until we stop thinking of race as people's primary identifiable characteristic.

When we can just think of them as people that is when we will truly be post-racial.

204 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:14:43am

re: #202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You're a braver man than I am, guy.

Although looking up that David Allen Grier clip makes me want to go rent Amazon Women on the Moon.

205 jdog29  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:14:46am

Chris Matthews' basic attitude is how in the world can a black man have actually been elected as President. Chris remains in awe that a black man is actually Commander in Chief.

Jon Stewart absolutely kills and the black guy in skit is surprisingly good too.//

The fun begins at the 4 minute mark.

Speech Therapy - Post-Racialwww.thedailyshow.comPolitical Humor

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:16:11am

re: #203 PT Barnum

Once my kids were watching TV in a hotel and I saw Indians (dot not feather) and asked, "Are those Indians or real people?"

Meaning, "Are you watching an Indian TV station or an anglo TV station with Indians on it"...

To this day, I haven't forgiven myself. Was an amazingly stupid, racist thing to say. And to top it off? In front of my kids.

207 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:16:47am

Good morning Lizards.

Cold (low 20s F) in Philly with some light overcast. No snow expected however.

Today's gameplan is shopping (food, books) bookended around a board gaming session at a place in West Chester. (The Games Keep - they sell via Amazon and the owner Karl is a good guy.)

Meeting someone to play a longish wargame modeling naval operations in the Pacific in WW2 called _Fire In The Sky_. Not sure if I'll be playing the heroic USN and Allied forces, or the Imperialistic Japanese Empire. The ultimate loser will be the pizza...

208 jdog29  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:17:19am

re: #199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That reads as an attack on Charles, btw.

I meant it as an attack on those who would attack Charles. As in how ridiculous is it that someone thinks Charles doesn't let people discuss something.

209 Buck  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:17:20am

re: #201 Obdicut

How am I giving him a pass, Buck, by calling him incompetent? I don't think he was attempting to race-bait with his comment, if that's what you mean-- that's usually what Rush is doing.

Do I think that this shows Matthews has some issues with race? Definitely. He basically said so-- he's admitting to it when he says that he forgot he was black; it implies that there are times he's very conscious of it.

But it wasn't race-baiting, which is what really pisses me off about Rush when he opens his yam about race.

I'd prefer both Rush and Matthews shut up about race, but that doesn't mean I think they're equivalent on the topic.

I think you are misunderstanding my point. If you put the same words in Rush's mouth, would you characterize it as being race baiting? Use all the examples I gave....out of Rush's mouth it is race baiting.... out of Matthews...."in-artful"...?

210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:17:41am

re: #208 jdog29

We cool.

211 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:18:41am

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I got to explain the American cultural weather term "Indian Summer" to the set of contractors from Mumbai that I work with. They'd heard it mentioned on the radio during their commute.

212 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:19:05am

re: #203 PT Barnum

The important point that Matthews makes (even if he didn't mean it that way) is that racism won't be gone until we stop thinking of race as people's primary identifiable characteristic.

When we can just think of them as people that is when we will truly be post-racial.

Unfortunatly, as long as humans have workable eyes, that can never happen

Before someone opens their mouths and you cann guage intellect, intent, even background, the 1st thing you notice is a persons race.

Now, if you negatively pre-judge that person on that alone, you are a racist (or at best, a bigot)

213 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:23:18am

re: #212 sattv4u2

Now, if you negatively pre-judge that person on that alone, you are a racist (or at best, a bigot)

What if you positively pre-judge that person on that alone?

I'm not saying I'm immune to it either, but I try like hell to keep it under control.

214 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:23:47am

re: #167 PT Barnum

I do not acknowledge any such remakes. There is no Twilight Zone but The Twilight Zone, and Serling, Matheson, Beaumont, Ellison, and Bradbury are its prophets.

215 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:24:02am

re: #177 Buck

Would you give Rush the same pass?

That's not a "pass".

216 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:25:25am

re: #214 negativ

I would give you dings^25 if I could for that.

217 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:25:51am

re: #202 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How am I partisan? I have no fucking clue what political affiliation Matthews has. I just think that Rush is intentionally race-baiting, whereas Matthews is incompetently expressing his own screwed up problems with race. And I consider race-baiting worse than clumsily and stupidly expressing your own latent racism.

218 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:26:09am

re: #215 Decatur Deb

Percieved intent has a lot to do with how we see the two.

219 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:26:21am

Sorry if this is already posted:

Jon Stewart gives Chris Matthews the worst interview of his life:

Comedy Central Video
220 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:26:53am

re: #209 Buck

No, I wouldn't characterize something like this as race-baiting coming from Rush, either. It's not race-baiting.

221 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:27:44am

re: #213 PT Barnum

What if you positively pre-judge that person on that alone?

I'm not saying I'm immune to it either, but I try like hell to keep it under control.

If you prejudge positively, that's still benign racism. Which is a fault, but not a mortal sin.

222 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:28:31am

re: #213 PT Barnum

What if you positively pre-judge that person on that alone?

I'm not saying I'm immune to it either, but I try like hell to keep it under control.

Interesting question. Depends on who you are 'positively judging", I would say

As a white male, if I were to positively judge another white male on that alone ,,,, I would say i have racist and/ or bigoted tendencies

If I were to positively judge a black person on that alone, it could be argued that I would also have those tendencies, (i.e. ,,,, theres a black person, I have to treat him better and "like him" just because he IS black to make it 'fair")

(don't know if explained that well enough)

223 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:29:37am

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The one time my brother ever hit me was when I was really young, like, eight or so, and I offered to trade him all of my baseball cards of black players. He asked why, and I said, "I don't like the chocolates", repeating some dumb racist thing I'd heard someone say. He smacked me on the arm once, twice, three times, and then told me he knew that I didn't mean harm but that he needed to hammer in that I should never say or think anything like that again. Then he explained about how racism passes down passively, and why it's so dangerous.

He was only twelve, but he already knew what was up. Great older brother.

224 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:30:29am

re: #217 Obdicut

I have no fucking clue what political affiliation Matthews has.

He was a speach writer for and on Jimmy Carters White House staff

Perhaps you should look into someones background before giving them a pass OR trashing them. Knowing where they came from helps in knowing where they're going!

225 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:30:43am

re: #219 negativ

Love this!

226 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:32:58am

re: #204 PT Barnum

You're a braver man than I am, guy.

Although looking up that David Allen Grier clip makes me want to go rent Amazon Women on the Moon.

Don Simmons!

Youtube Video
227 Mr. Crankypants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:34:11am

re: #226 RogueOne

I posted that above....in #200

Obama, for many people, was Don Simmons

228 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:34:41am

re: #217 Obdicut

re: #224 sattv4u2

I have no fucking clue what political affiliation Matthews has.

He was a speach writer for and on Jimmy Carters White House staff

Perhaps you should look into someones background before giving them a pass OR trashing them. Knowing where they came from helps in knowing where they're going!

MATTHEWS

When Matthews first arrived in Washington, D.C., he worked as a police officer with the United States Capitol Police.[4] Subsequently, he served on the staffs of four Democratic members of Congress, including Senators Frank Moss and Edmund Muskie. In 1974, he mounted an unsuccessful campaign for the Pennsylvania's 4th congressional district seat in the U.S. House of Representatives, in which he received about 24% of the vote in the primary campaign.[5] Matthews was a presidential speechwriter during the Carter administration. Matthews later worked six years as a top aide to long-time Speaker of the House of Representatives Tip O'Neill, playing a direct role in many key political battles with the Reagan administration.

Any doubt about his 'political affiliation"???

229 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:35:32am

re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had a cheddar and fake bacon omelet (eggs are pre-meat, I know) and whole wheat toast... It was delicious.

Whole wheat is pre-beef.

230 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:41:10am

Good morning LGF!
Later today I'll be flipping a couple AVI video files through a codec for mobile phones. Using Premiere Cs4, which is new to me.

Suggestions on a good codec for mobile phone video anyone? Particularly Iphone/Itouch.

231 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:42:46am

re: #230 Rightwingconspirator

Good morning LGF!
Later today I'll be flipping a couple AVI video files through a codec for mobile phones. Using Premiere Cs4, which is new to me.

Suggestions on a good codec for mobile phone video anyone? Particularly Iphone/Itouch.

I have NO idea what you just said!!


(although, I do recogniz some of the words!!,, CODEC, for one ,,,flipping is another !! ))

232 jdog29  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:42:51am

Here's the video link I messed up earlier with Jon Stewart just killing Chris Matthews analysis of President Obama's SOTU speech.

233 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:44:15am

re: #224 sattv4u2

Dude, what are you talking about? I've already said that what Matthews has said was stupid, exposed his own latent problems with race, and that he should shut up about race because he's obviously not fit to talk about it.

How does that equate, to you, to 'giving him a pass'?

234 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:46:22am

re: #231 sattv4u2

I am finishing a couple instructional videos today. My client will be putting a compressed version on his web site in Flash, on thumb drives in WMV. That's two of three down.

Thing is some look much better than others on the Ipod for instance. Gotta make the video look good on a 2 inch display. (Hate that, but oh well)

235 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:47:19am

re: #233 Obdicut

Dude, what are you talking about? I've already said that what Matthews has said was stupid, exposed his own latent problems with race, and that he should shut up about race because he's obviously not fit to talk about it.

How does that equate, to you, to 'giving him a pass'?

"dude" ,,, you stated that you didn't know what his "political affiliation" was. I informed you

I stated "giving them a pass OR trashing them.". Funny how you left the second part out

236 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:48:32am

re: #231 sattv4u2

You work with highly compressed signal all day right? Have you noticed some look better than others?

237 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:49:54am

re: #234 Rightwingconspirator

I am finishing a couple instructional videos today. My client will be putting a compressed version on his web site in Flash, on thumb drives in WMV. That's two of three down.

Thing is some look much better than others on the Ipod for instance. Gotta make the video look good on a 2 inch display. (Hate that, but oh well)

We have that same problem in my line of work. Do the originals look as good for the ones that end up looking okay as opposed to the ones that don't?

Often we have to convert an analog TV signal into High Def and the client wants to know why it doesn't look good in hi def

'sir ,,, you can't polish a turd"!

238 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:50:10am

re: #236 Rightwingconspirator

You work with highly compressed signal all day right? Have you noticed some look better than others?

see 237

239 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:52:39am

re: #233 Obdicut

Frankly I am starting to think the media echo chamber all focused on racial comments that have no hostile intent, just inept attempts to address the issue frankly are going to set back race relations.

Our culture deserves more room to discuss race frankly, without the bigot hammer floating above every commenter. Please note I limit this point to comments without any intent to insult. I see that as a necessary part of the process to get "post racial" someday.

240 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:54:52am

re: #237 sattv4u2

Hah! That is exactly where the codecs work. You have the tough job making old content look good on state of the art HD. My TV at home is SD. Bot do those news guys look bad with HD makeup on.

241 RogueOne  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:57:45am

re: #240 Rightwingconspirator

Out of curiosity, are you editing or just converting?

242 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:58:40am

re: #241 RogueOne

All of it. Script, shoot, edit, conversion and deployment.

243 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:59:05am

OT:

Being the eternal optimist / sucker, my favorite Irish 'overunity / perpetual energy' guys are about to demonstrate their definitive 'device' live via webstream.

Any other tinfoil hat wearers like myself are welcome to check them out...3 ring circus starts in about 5 minutes on the homepage here: [Link: www.steorn.com...] .

244 Buck  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:06:40am

Hamas man was 'suffocated with hotel pillow', says Dubai Police chief

It is looking like a lover (male) killed him.

Visiting Dubai, without a body guard or any escort... No one knows why he was there....

Meeting a lover for a few fun filled nights? Killed with a pillow while he slept in an hotel room?

Not that the Mossad is above taking advantage of this sort of thing...

245 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:08:03am

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

This Iranian Cleric = Rat Basard

246 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:08:54am

re: #243 Oh no...Sand People!

OT:

Being the eternal optimist / sucker, my favorite Irish 'overunity / perpetual energy' guys are about to demonstrate their definitive 'device' live via webstream.

Any other tinfoil hat wearers like myself are welcome to check them out...3 ring circus starts in about 5 minutes on the homepage here: [Link: www.steorn.com...] .

That's spooky--a decent web presence and no clinical tics.

247 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:09:10am

re: #245 Rightwingconspirator

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

This Iranian Cleric = Rat Basard

said it before and I'll say it again

Thuckin Fugs!

248 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:10:40am

I'll bet a Latte Mandy has or will post this too. :)

249 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:11:28am

re: #235 sattv4u2

The point was that I didn't know his political affiliation before I was commenting on his comments, which means that my response to them was not partisan-- because I didn't know what 'party' he belonged to.

250 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:13:09am

re: #239 Rightwingconspirator

Oh, sure. In an ideal world, we'd be able to explore the topic of race without setting off landmines. However, the world being what it is, Matthews stumbling around in the topic isn't going to help.

It is getting better, though. It's gotten better even in my lifetime.

251 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:13:23am

re: #245 Rightwingconspirator

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

This Iranian Cleric = Rat Basard did not learn from the Shah.

253 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:14:44am

re: #250 Obdicut

Agreed, much better than the R. King riots.

254 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:15:44am

I'm going to get to bed. Sleep well, all.re: #115 RogueOne

More sexting hysteria:

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

Sexting can ruin your life. To prove it, we’ll ruin your life.

"Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres." ("In this country, it is wise to kill an admiral from time to time to give courage to the others.")

- Voltaire

Making object lessons out of people has been a tactic of governments since Sumeria.

255 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:16:24am

Now it can be told:

Youtube Video
256 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:16:45am

re: #251 Decatur Deb

Thing is... they did. Brutality works. Fortunately only temporarily.

Related-D_L & I have been invited to the Persian New Year party. At a big local park in March. I'm looking forward to going. My Persian neighbors are just the best.

257 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:18:54am

re: #256 Rightwingconspirator

Thing is... they did. Brutality works. Fortunately only temporarily.

Related-D_L & I have been invited to the Persian New Year party. At a big local park in March. I'm looking forward to going. My Persian neighbors are just the best.

Every time we support a screwed-up regime we get a neat refugee community and some great restaurants.

258 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:19:13am

re: #243 Oh no...Sand People!

OT:

Being the eternal optimist / sucker, my favorite Irish 'overunity / perpetual energy' guys are about to demonstrate their definitive 'device' live via webstream.

Any other tinfoil hat wearers like myself are welcome to check them out...3 ring circus starts in about 5 minutes on the homepage here: [Link:

259 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:23:50am

re: #243 Oh no...Sand People!

OT:

Being the eternal optimist / sucker, my favorite Irish 'overunity / perpetual energy' guys are about to demonstrate their definitive 'device' live via webstream.

Any other tinfoil hat wearers like myself are welcome to check them out...3 ring circus starts in about 5 minutes on the homepage here: [Link:

260 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:24:21am

re: #243 Oh no...Sand People!

weird. i can't get a reply to your post to work correctly.

261 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:24:41am

Slow morning. Perhaps many of our Lizards are sleeping in.

262 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:25:12am

re: #260 Aceofwhat?

weird. i can't get a reply to your post to work correctly.

Must be a disturbance in the space-time continuum.

263 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:26:10am

re: #257 Decatur Deb

A sad truth. Was it Lenin that said people "vote with their feet"? Good point whoever said it.

264 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:27:23am

not nearly as interesting as what Chris Mathews has been saying...but far more important...more trouble in Nigeria

"All companies related to the oil industry in the Niger Delta should prepare for an all-out onslaught," it went on.
"Nothing will be spared," it added, saying that the companies themselves would "bear the guilt" if their staff were harmed.

the militants are Islamists

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

carry on

265 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:28:03am

re: #260 Aceofwhat?

weird. i can't get a reply to your post to work correctly.

Tell me what you were going to say, then I'll reply to it in that post, then you can pay me for services rendered!!

266 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:28:08am

re: #263 Rightwingconspirator

A sad truth. Was it Lenin that said people "vote with their feet"? Good point whoever said it.

Don't know who, but it's true enough. We Irish voted with our feet (and stomachs) in Black '47.

267 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:30:28am

re: #265 sattv4u2

Tell me what you were going to say, then I'll reply to it in that post, then you can pay me for services rendered!!

really interesting site/idea. i've heard of making love out of nothing at all, but get a little more nervous when folks say they can make energy out of nothing at all (well, not nothing, but a poorly understood net increase in energy). what does everyone else think about the concept so far?

268 Buck  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:30:45am

re: #263 Rightwingconspirator

A sad truth. Was it Lenin that said people "vote with their feet"? Good point whoever said it.

The concept is frequently associated with Charles Tiebout.[1] The term was also popularized by Ronald Reagan.[2]. Lenin is also said to have created the term in 1918 during World War I when he said that Russian soldiers had voted in favour of peace with Germany with their feet, since they were deserting in large numbers from the front line.


-wikipedia

269 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:31:03am

re: #266 Decatur Deb
A point the harsh critics of America miss. People come here. When Americans emigrate or travel, they are not fleeing some disaster or tyranny.

Except the folks who moved to Canada to run away from GWB of course. ///

270 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:31:19am

re: #267 Aceofwhat?

really interesting site/idea. i've heard of making love out of nothing at all, but get a little more nervous when folks say they can make energy out of nothing at all (well, not nothing, but a poorly understood net increase in energy). what does everyone else think about the concept so far?

stay away from the brown acid

271 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:33:20am

re: #269 Rightwingconspirator

A point the harsh critics of America miss. People come here. When Americans emigrate or travel, they are not fleeing some disaster or tyranny.

Except the folks who moved to Canada to run away from GWB of course. ///

A girlfriend's family ran there to get away from General GW.

272 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:35:09am

re: #271 Decatur Deb

Are they back yet?

273 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:35:11am

Well, the demo is over...still filling up my car with gas. If anything changes I'll let you all know. heh.

274 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:36:56am

re: #272 Rightwingconspirator

Must have slipped back, she was from Boston, the Last Puritan.

275 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:37:33am

re: #264 albusteve

great...guess sales of construction equipment to Nigeria aren't going to pick up anytime soon. sigh. i wonder how the Congo is doing...

276 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:38:10am

Another one of those "Muslims invented everything" articles....
Muslim inventions that shaped the modern world

277 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:38:22am

re: #273 Oh no...Sand People!

did the demo work? free energy?

278 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:40:04am

Iran put 16 opposition supporters detained during anti-government protests last month on trial Saturday on charges of rioting and conspiring against the ruling system, Iran's state media reported.

The official IRNA news agency and state Press TV said the defendants face charges ranging from plotting against the establishment to violating security regulations. Five of those on trial, including two women, were accused of "moharebeh," or defying God, a charge that could carry the death penalty, the semiofficial ISNA news agency reported.

The new prosecutions, coupled with the execution on Thursday of two men accused of involvement in anti-government groups, could mark an attempt by Iran's hardline leaders to intimidate the opposition ahead of a new round of street demonstrations expected in February.

Those who stood trial Saturday — including a follower of the Bahai faith, an alleged communist and a student activist — were detained during anti-government demonstrations on Dec. 27, when at least eight people were killed and hundreds more were arrested after clashes between opposition activists and security forces. The violence was the worst since authorities launched a harsh crackdown immediately after Iran's disputed presidential election in June.

279 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:40:47am

re: #278 MandyManners

SNIP

280 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:40:55am

re: #267 Aceofwhat?

snip... what does everyone else think about the concept so far?

No physicist here, but I think it's bull. Unless it works. Maybe even then.

281 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:41:01am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Another one of those "Muslims invented everything" articles...
Muslim inventions that shaped the modern world

Odd ,, I see no mention of other Muslim inventions like vest bombs, child jihadists, pizza cafe demolition, female subjugation,,,,

282 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:41:32am

The snow started a couple of hours ago. Looks like it won't be as bad as it was in December, but except for a bowl of pho for lunch, I think I'm staying in all day.

283 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:41:53am

re: #275 aceofwhat?

great...guess sales of construction equipment to Nigeria aren't going to pick up anytime soon. sigh. i wonder how the Congo is doing...

I'd say the real threat is to the Niger River delta...I don't care about construction equipment...an impending epic eco disaster

284 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:41:57am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Another one of those "Muslims invented everything" articles...
Muslim inventions that shaped the modern world

BBC is dhimmified?

285 jaunte  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:42:00am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

I see that Hassani is claiming the invention of the crank.

286 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:42:27am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Another one of those "Muslims invented everything" articles...
Muslim inventions that shaped the modern world

3. Flying machine
"Abbas ibn Firnas was the first person to make a real attempt to construct a flying machine and fly," said Hassani. In the 9th century he designed a winged apparatus, roughly resembling a bird costume. In his most famous trial near Cordoba in Spain, Firnas flew upward for a few moments, before falling to the ground and partially breaking his back. His designs would undoubtedly have been an inspiration for famed Italian artist and inventor Leonardo da Vinci's hundreds of years later, said Hassani.

I thought Mohammed invented the first flying machine to get to Jerusalem... wasn't it a magic horse.

287 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:42:49am

re: #281 sattv4u2

Odd ,, I see no mention of other Muslim inventions like vest bombs, child jihadists, pizza cafe demolition, female subjugation,,,

it was a modest summary...//

288 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:42:58am

re: #281 sattv4u2

Odd ,, I see no mention of other Muslim inventions like vest bombs, child jihadists, pizza cafe demolition, female subjugation,,,

Heeerrre kitty kitty.

289 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:43:09am

re: #286 Walter L. Newton

I thought Mohammed invented the first flying machine to get to Jerusalem... wasn't it a magic horse.

carpet

290 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:43:24am

re: #277 aceofwhat?

did the demo work? free energy?

Hmm...in their minds...they would argue yes, but from what I see and as not being an engineer, it looks like a 'spinny thing'.

I guess here is my overall attitude about this subject however:
1. It's 2010 and I can sit in a basement, clacking on some buttons, and technology is in place that you can read what I am typing on this rectangular screen that changes all sorts of pretty colors.
2. I have to go outside, hop in my car and still do about the exact same as since the bloody car was invented, pull a lever and put some fossil fuel liquid into it to make it go.

Point 1 still fascinates me. Point 2 makes me think that there is some serious R & D issues that should have been worked out by now...I'm like...COME ON already. This car thing should be completely figured out by now to get super far mileage on super little. But that's just me.

291 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:43:35am

re: #282 Mad Al-Jaffee

The snow started a couple of hours ago. Looks like it won't be as bad as it was in December, but except for a bowl of pho for lunch, I think I'm staying in all day.

What's pho?

292 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:43:53am

re: #282 Mad Al-Jaffee

The snow started a couple of hours ago. Looks like it won't be as bad as it was in December, but except for a bowl of pho for lunch, I think I'm staying in all day.

Morning MAJ. I crashed during the Mad Magazine thread last night. Woke up realizing Mad might have invented anti-idiotarianism, at least for our generation.

293 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:44:13am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Another one of those "Muslims invented everything" articles...
Muslim inventions that shaped the modern world

Funny how they forget to mention that they invented suicide bombing.

294 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:44:14am

re: #283 albusteve

I'd say the real threat is to the Niger River delta...I don't care about construction equipment...an impending epic eco disaster

i sell construction equipment...africa is (was) a big market for us. sorry for the non sequitur.

but you're right...this isn't looking good for the fauna/flora...

295 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:44:25am

re: #284 MandyManners

BBC is dhimmified?

That was a CNN article. Still a stupid piece though, since it ignores the fact that all those achievements are in the distant past. Neither CNN nor the BBC deals with the way current Islam is hostile to innovations not used for death.

296 jaunte  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:44:44am

re: #291 MandyManners

What's pho?

Good stuff:
[Link: images.google.com...]

297 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:44:56am

re: #286 Walter L. Newton

I thought Mohammed invented the first flying machine to get to Jerusalem... wasn't it a magic horse.

Was it Jerusalem or just some far place?

298 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:45:34am

re: #289 albusteve

carpet

It was a horse.

299 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:45:55am

re: #293 Mad Al-Jaffee

Funny how they forget to mention that they invented suicide bombing.

They didn't. The Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka invented suicide bombing.

300 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:46:09am

re: #296 jaunte

Good stuff:
[Link: images.google.com...]

What's in it?

301 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:46:11am

re: #298 Walter L. Newton

It was a horse.

True. I saw the hoofprints.

302 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:46:48am

re: #284 MandyManners

BBC is dhimmified?

Even worse, some science museum in the UK is hosting the exhibit. They're claiming credit for the toothbrush.

303 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:46:57am

re: #297 MandyManners

Was it Jerusalem or just some far place?

No it was Jerusalem. That's why the Muslims have a claim as it being the 3 holiest site because he fucking flew there.

304 jaunte  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:47:12am

re: #300 MandyManners

Broth and noodle base, with different proteins and vegetable mixed in.

305 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:47:24am

re: #297 MandyManners

Was it Jerusalem or just some far place?

It was Jerusalem. There he supposedly ascended into heaven from the Temple Mount, thus it is the site of the Dome of The Rock.

306 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:47:34am

re: #291 MandyManners

What's pho?

God's the Vietnamese gift to comfort food. Beef noodle soup, with sauces and condiments you add, including fresh lime, bean sprouts, basil, chili sauce. The perfect cold weather food.

307 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:48:18am

re: #291 MandyManners

What's pho?

Vietnamese soup, iirc

308 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:48:36am

re: #302 Killgore Trout

Even worse, some science museum in the UK is hosting the exhibit. They're claiming credit for the toothbrush.

Good grief.

309 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:49:01am

re: #302 Killgore Trout

Even worse, some science museum in the UK is hosting the exhibit. They're claiming credit for the toothbrush.

Everyone knows the toothbrush was invented in West Virginia!

310 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:49:39am

re: #303 Walter L. Newton

No it was Jerusalem. That's why the Muslims have a claim as it being the 3 holiest site because he fucking flew there.

I claim I'm Queen of the Universe.

311 Buck  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:49:44am

re: #305 Dark_Falcon

It was Jerusalem. There he supposedly ascended into heaven from the Temple Mount, thus it is the site of the Dome of The Rock.

“The far distant place of worship.”.... only in recent years did it become Jerusalem.

Number of times Jerusalem is mentioned in the Koran = 0

312 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:49:54am

re: #303 Walter L. Newton

Huh. One good fog bank and Islamic ardor for Jerusalem would be all about a point in the Mediterranean sea. //

313 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:49:59am

re: #309 Mad Al-Jaffee

Everyone knows the toothbrush was invented in West Virginia!

The WV model only had one bristle, for the one tooth of the inventor

314 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:50:17am

re: #310 MandyManners

I claim I'm Queen of the Universe.

We claim you are also, Mandy

315 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:50:20am

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

They didn't. The Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka invented suicide bombing.

Really? I thought the first known suicide bombing occurred during the Iran/Iraq war.

316 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:50:26am

re: #304 jaunte

Broth and noodle base, with different proteins and vegetable mixed in.

re: #306 Mad Al-Jaffee

God's the Vietnamese gift to comfort food. Beef noodle soup, with sauces and condiments you add, including fresh lime, bean sprouts, basil, chili sauce. The perfect cold weather food.

re: #307 sattv4u2

Vietnamese soup, iirc

I might have to expand my cooking.

317 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:50:52am

re: #310 MandyManners

I claim I'm Queen of the Universe.

No one here will dispute that claim, Mandy. ALL HAIL QUEEN MANDY!

318 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:50:54am

re: #314 sattv4u2

We claim you are also, Mandy

*smooch*

319 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:51:14am

re: #302 Killgore Trout

Even worse, some science museum in the UK is hosting the exhibit. They're claiming credit for the toothbrush.

think they could license it to the UK already?///

320 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:51:48am

re: #313 sattv4u2

The WV model only had one bristle, for the one tooth of the inventor

It goes back to India... way before the Mohammed. This exhibit is so bogus. And many cultures had parallel inventions.

321 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:51:53am

re: #317 Dark_Falcon

No one here will dispute that claim, Mandy. ALL HAIL QUEEN MANDY!

*smooch*

Where's my scepter?

322 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:51:58am

Breakfast...

323 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:52:02am

re: #315 Mad Al-Jaffee

Really? I thought the first known suicide bombing occurred during the Iran/Iraq war.

No, it was in Sri Lanka. I don't know when, but it was the Tigers who devised the horrid tactic.

324 Buck  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:52:04am

re: #297 MandyManners

Was it Jerusalem or just some far place?

“The far distant place of worship.”

325 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:52:18am

re: #314 sattv4u2

We claim you are also, Mandy

Watch it. Reine of All might be lurking.

326 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:52:43am

re: #316 MandyManners

I might have to expand my cooking.

I've seen some recipes for it, but I've never tried cooking it. The broth takes hours to cook, and you have to get the right kind of noodles, very thin sliced beef, spices, etc. At $6.50 a bowl I let the experts make it for me.

327 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:52:46am

re: #320 Walter L. Newton

It goes back to India... way before the Mohammed. This exhibit is so bogus. And many cultures had parallel inventions.

Billy the Kid has two graves...you just can't trust anybody

328 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:52:46am

re: #324 Buck

“The far distant place of worship.”

That's the memory of the quote I have.

329 jaunte  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:52:53am

re: #320 Walter L. Newton

It goes back to India... way before the Mohammed. This exhibit is so bogus. And many cultures had parallel inventions.

Hassani did forget to include flatbread and soup.

330 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:53:01am

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

One could argue they were inspired by the kamikaze Japanese.

331 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:53:06am

re: #321 MandyManners

*smooch*

Where's my scepter?

Your scepter is a Troll Hammer, used to smack down crazies of all stripes.

332 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:53:25am

re: #321 MandyManners

*smooch*

Where's my scepter?

We're fond of you, but not crazy. The back of your hand hurts enough...i don't need to get whacked with a jewel-studded club...

333 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:54:14am

re: #327 albusteve

Billy the Kid has two graves...you just can't trust anybody

Robert Johnson has three and Edgar Allen Poe has two.

334 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:54:15am

re: #326 Mad Al-Jaffee

I've seen some recipes for it, but I've never tried cooking it. The broth takes hours to cook, and you have to get the right kind of noodles, very thin sliced beef, spices, etc. At $6.50 a bowl I let the experts make it for me.

The closest, genuine Asian restaurant is about 500 miles from here.

335 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:54:55am

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

Your scepter is a Troll Hammer, used to smack down crazies of all stripes.

Ah, the clue-by-four.

336 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:54:55am

re: #330 Rightwingconspirator

One could argue they were inspired by the kamikaze Japanese.

Baka:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

337 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:54:56am

re: #333 Mad Al-Jaffee

Robert Johnson has three and Edgar Allen Poe has two.

They got around!

338 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:54:58am

re: #321 MandyManners

*smooch*

Where's my scepter?

I think a length of rope would be more appropriate.

339 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:55:34am

re: #330 Rightwingconspirator

One could argue they were inspired by the kamikaze Japanese.

In some ways, yes. But while the kamikazes were deployed against military targets (and were not in fact a violation of the laws of war), suicide bombing has typically been deliberately deployed against civilian targets with the aim of terrorizing the targeted population into submission.

340 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:55:37am

re: #332 aceofwhat?

We're fond of you, but not crazy. The back of your hand hurts enough...i don't need to get whacked with a jewel-studded club...

You don't like sapphires?

341 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:55:56am

more Chinese sex problems...they just can't get it straight
[Link: www.alertnet.org...]

342 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:56:07am

re: #338 Mad Al-Jaffee

I think a length of rope would be more appropriate.

Oh, that's perfect.

343 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:56:47am

re: #339 Dark_Falcon

Retrograde "progress". Reminds me of why not to worry about aliens. No apparent intelligent life, apart from Dogs and Cats.

344 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:57:16am

re: #340 MandyManners

You don't like sapphires?

they're gorgeous. the imprint that they leave on my badonkadonk, however, is a poor substitute for the original...

345 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:57:52am

re: #341 albusteve

more Chinese sex problems...they just can't get it straight
[Link: www.alertnet.org...]

With such a high number of cases of STD's, I'd say that "severe sexual repression" is not the problem.

346 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:58:18am

re: #344 aceofwhat?

they're gorgeous. the imprint that they leave on my badonkadonk, however, is a poor substitute for the original...

You talking dirty?

347 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:58:30am

re: #341 albusteve

more Chinese sex problems...they just can't get it straight
[Link: www.alertnet.org...]


I am curious to see how that estimated 35-40 million man surplus is going to play out in the future. My estimates...not too pretty.

348 swamprat  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:58:44am

re: #333 Mad Al-Jaffee
Billy the Kid has two graves...you just can't trust anybody

Robert Johnson has three and Edgar Allen Poe has two.

Mark Twain reported that a museum in Spain had the skull of Christopher Columbus on display....And also his skull as a child.
8-)

349 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:59:12am

re: #339 Dark_Falcon

In some ways, yes. But while the kamikazes were deployed against military targets (and were not in fact a violation of the laws of war), suicide bombing has typically been deliberately deployed against civilian targets with the aim of terrorizing the targeted population into submission.

not germain...kamikazes are definitely suicide bombers...targets would be another tangent

350 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:59:25am

re: #346 MandyManners

You talking dirty?

in bed?

351 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:59:32am

re: #334 MandyManners

The closest, genuine Asian restaurant is about 500 miles from here.

Here's a recipe. I might actually try this someday.

[Link: steamykitchen.com...]

352 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:00:30am

A suicide bomber killed 16 people Saturday at a police checkpoint in a northwest Pakistani tribal area where the military declared victory over the Taliban and al-Qaida last year, highlighting the difficulty Islamabad has in holding regions once the battle phase of its army offensives end.

Elsewhere in the lawless tribal belt bordering Afghanistan, suspected U.S. missiles killed nine alleged militants, officials said.

Fourteen civilians and two police officers died in the suicide attack in the Bajur tribal region, while 20 people were wounded, local government official Bakhat Pacha said. The attacker, on foot, struck a market area in the region's main town, Khar, he said.

Some of the wounded were in a critical condition at hospitals, he said.

The attack came a day after officials said security forces had killed 44 militants in three days of battles on the outskirts of Khar.

SNIP

TERRORISTS! TERRORISTS! TERRORISTS!

Fucking AP.

353 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:01:03am

re: #348 swamprat

Billy the Kid has two graves...you just can't trust anybody

Mark Twain reported that a museum in Spain had the skull of Christopher Columbus on display...And also his skull as a child.
8-)

The body of St. Valentine (14 Feb) is in a church in Italy. Spare head is in a church across town.

354 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:01:41am

re: #348 swamprat

Billy the Kid has two graves...you just can't trust anybody

Mark Twain reported that a museum in Spain had the skull of Christopher Columbus on display...And also his skull as a child.
8-)

nobody knows what happened to Pancho Villa either

355 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:01:43am

re: #339 Dark_Falcon

In some ways, yes. But while the kamikazes were deployed against military targets (and were not in fact a violation of the laws of war), suicide bombing has typically been deliberately deployed against civilian targets with the aim of terrorizing the targeted population into submission.

So it started when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

356 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:02:18am

re: #351 Mad Al-Jaffee

Here's a recipe. I might actually try this someday.

[Link: steamykitchen.com...]

That's an all-day procedure.

357 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:02:45am

re: #355 Mad Al-Jaffee

So it started when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Are you on a roll?

358 mr. hammer  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:03:34am

re: #353 Decatur Deb

Maybe it's his badonkadonk...

359 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:03:55am

re: #356 MandyManners

That's an all-day procedure.

I know. So is doing barbecue right. And I bake bread that takes two days to prepare before going into the oven.

360 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:04:18am

re: #347 Oh no...Sand People!

Agreed!

361 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:04:33am

re: #353 Decatur Deb

The body of St. Valentine (14 Feb) is in a church in Italy. Spare head is in a church across town.

We ought to look into getting Joe Biden one of those.

362 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:04:50am

re: #355 Mad Al-Jaffee

So it started when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Ignore him, he's rolling.

363 swamprat  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:05:14am

re: #354 albusteve

nobody knows what happened to Pancho Villa either

Killed in El Paso. Assassin later regretted his act. He has some progeny nearby. Lots of marriages. One of his lieutenants was a priest. Pancho ordained him himself.

364 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:05:41am

re: #359 Mad Al-Jaffee

I know. So is doing barbecue right. And I bake bread that takes two days to prepare before going into the oven.

I'd love to find a man like that.

365 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:06:01am

re: #351 Mad Al-Jaffee

Here's a recipe. I might actually try this someday.

[Link: steamykitchen.com...]

It is fairly easy. You can simplify that recipe by buying pre-made stock. The rest of the ingredients can be found in the Asian section of a decent grocery store.

366 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:06:11am
Youtube Video
367 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:06:18am

re: #352 MandyManners

When will AP start calling parts of Pakistan "restive"?

368 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:06:52am

re: #356 MandyManners

That's an all-day procedure.

Just buy the stock. Assembling the soup only takes a few minutes.

369 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:07:14am

re: #364 MandyManners

I'd love to find a man like that.

Gordon Ramsey?

370 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:07:36am

re: #363 swamprat

Killed in El Paso. Assassin later regretted his act. He has some progeny nearby. Lots of marriages. One of his lieutenants was a priest. Pancho ordained him himself.

wrong, he was killed in Parral Chihuahua his home town

371 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:08:28am

re: #364 MandyManners

I'd love to find a man like that.

in bed, I assume

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:08:43am

re: #24 Varek Raith

In the PC game, Empire At War, I always use the Death Star on Endor and Naboo. Always.

Any planet that elects a teenage girl as its ruler deserves whatever it gets.

373 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:09:12am

re: #370 albusteve

wrong, he was killed in Parral Chihuahua his home town

Wrong, he was never killed. He is still in the mountains, and will return someday to drive out the cartels.

374 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:09:14am

re: #365 Killgore Trout

It is fairly easy. You can simplify that recipe by buying pre-made stock. The rest of the ingredients can be found in the Asian section of a decent grocery store.

I'd rather make my own stock. It would be a challenge and probably pretty fun.

375 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:09:28am

re: #368 Killgore Trout

Just buy the stock. Assembling the soup only takes a few minutes.

I'm still screwed 'cause the closest grocery store carrying the ingredients is about two hours away.

376 swamprat  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:09:28am

re: #370 albusteve


Thanks.

377 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:10:39am

re: #369 Decatur Deb

Gordon Ramsey?

I'd let him eat crackers in my bed.

378 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:10:54am

BALTIMORE (AP) -- President Barack Obama is getting an earful from House Republicans who say House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has shut them out of the decison-making process.

liars...everybody knows Pelosi begged them for their input on the HC bill

[Link: hosted.ap.org...]

379 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:11:00am

re: #371 Mad Al-Jaffee

in bed, I assume

Cracker crumbs.

380 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:11:03am

re: #352 MandyManners

A suicide bomber killed 16 people Saturday at a police checkpoint in a northwest Pakistani tribal area where the military declared victory over the Taliban and al-Qaida last year, highlighting the difficulty Islamabad has in holding regions once the battle phase of its army offensives end.

TERRORISTS! TERRORISTS! TERRORISTS!

Fucking AP.

Youtes!

All they needed was a midnight basketball program and VOILA ,,, problem solved!!
/

381 swamprat  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:11:13am

life calls. be well.

382 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:11:23am

re: #374 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'd rather make my own stock. It would be a challenge and probably pretty fun.

The bit about the marrow got to me.

383 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:11:24am

re: #377 MandyManners

I'd let him eat crackers in my bed.

I just don't want to hear your pillow talk.

384 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:11:43am

re: #373 Decatur Deb

Wrong, he was never killed. He is still in the mountains, and will return someday to drive out the cartels.

probably a narco terrorist

385 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:12:21am

re: #360 Rightwingconspirator

Agreed!

I guess in the words of Jurassic Park the movie, "Nature will find a way..."..?!

*shudder*

386 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:12:28am

re: #384 albusteve

probably a narco terrorist

Marijuana que fumar.

387 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:12:28am

re: #378 albusteve

exactly, i mean, it was all broadcast on CSPAN, right, so we got to see it for ourselves///

388 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:12:49am

re: #375 MandyManners

I'm still screwed 'cause the closest grocery store carrying the ingredients is about two hours away.

Biography?

389 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:13:26am

re: #385 Oh no...Sand People!

There have been articles about the real consequences. The government is officially homophobic, so this is ugly in many ways.

390 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:13:58am

re: #119 RogueOne

I don't ever wanna hear fereigners tell we americans that we're the king of prudes when it comes to sex. I missed this yesterday:

[Link: www.boingboing.net...]

Australian censor board demands large-breasted pron-stars


WTF is wrong with people.

Full Disclosure: I happen to be in the "those who favor them" camp.

The mind, it boggles like a bowl of Jell-O. That's just weird.

391 mr. hammer  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:14:00am

re: #373 Decatur Deb

Wrong, he was never killed. He is still in the mountains, and will return someday to drive out the cartels.

I think they just saved his brain. Awaiting a suitable candidate for implant...

392 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:15:03am

You've got to be shitting me....
GOP lawmakers to try to block federal funds for 9/11 prosecutions

The legislation expected to be introduced early next week is sponsored by Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.), whose district borders Washington, D.C., and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), and would prohibit funding for any Justice Department prosecution in civilian courts of a person being tried in connection with the 9/11 attacks.

Earlier this week, Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) introduced a similar bill that would prohibit the use of federal funds to try within U.S. civilian courts any detainee being kept in the Guantanamo Bay prison.


Way to abandon national security, douchebags.

393 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:15:03am

Breakfast over... three day weekend for me...

394 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:15:14am

Gene Hackman is 80 today. One of my favorites. Looks like he's essentially retired. "Welcome to Mooseport" (2004) was his last movie. He kinda sounds like the guy in those Home Depot commercials. Good work if you can get it I guess.

395 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:15:37am

re: #127 negativ

Better still, people should quit freaking the hell out like their ass is on fire over the idea that some teenagers somewhere might see each others' boobs or butts or wieners or whatever. Grow the hell up, FFS.

We had a sex-ed assembly at the school. Separate genders. Afterward, one of the boys tried hard to convince me that by telling them not to sext we were encouraging sexual encounters face-to-face.

My mother is concerned that the upcoming generation seems to believe that sex is something you can phone in.

396 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:16:16am

Less than a year later, this agenda is in shambles. The president’s “new foundation” is just another part of America’s crumbling infrastructure. Its pillars are strewn across the congressional landscape. Democrats are afraid to touch them—and for good reason. They are radioactive.

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

I think the less BO achieves, the better the economy will do

397 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:16:32am

re: #390 SanFranciscoZionist

Somebody on the board has serious repression issues.

398 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:16:36am

re: #133 iceweasel

Most definitely.
At the same time, kids do use it to get into some serious trouble-- not to send each other pics of themselves, but to send and receive photos to and from adults, usually random freaks they meet online. Webcams are more of a problem in that regard.

Even so, that (real) threat is totally overblown. It's usually just cases of teenagers and preteens playing games and exploring sex, just like they've always done. Only now if they're unlucky (and it's usually the girls this happens to) they can wind up with their photos all over the school.
Teens are going to do this kind of thing. Instead of a puritanical freakout over it we should just acknowledge it.

And figure out ways to protect kids, rather than charging them with crimes for fooling around with their phones.

399 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:16:47am

President Barack Obama’s move to abandon NASA’s moon program is ratcheting up uncertainty about the future of U.S. human spaceflight just as NASA is setting out to launch five final missions before retiring the shuttle fleet.

People are anxious about their futures at Kennedy Space Center, and the increasing uncertainty raises the potential for distraction in a world where even the smallest mistake can lead to catastrophe.

“The work force down here definitely has me concerned just because they’re people, and you’re heading into the last year, and it is ‘The Last Year,’” NASA Shuttle Launch Integration Manager Mike Moses said.


SNIP

400 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:17:11am

re: #380 sattv4u2

Youtes!

All they needed was a midnight basketball program and VOILA ,,, problem solved!!
/

Didn't Muslims invent basketball?

401 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:17:11am

re: #391 mr. hammer

I think they just saved his brain. Awaiting a suitable candidate for implant...

his entire head was shot to pieces...nothing left but goo

402 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:17:33am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

I just don't want to hear your pillow talk.

*crunch crunch*

403 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:17:55am

re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist

snip...
My mother is concerned that the upcoming generation seems to believe that sex is something you can phone in.

Sex is something you phone for, if you're a congressman or visiting governor.

404 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:17:55am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

Whoa hold on. They want military tribunals instead of civilian trials. This is a way to try to force the issue. To, that protects our security at least as well.

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:18:16am

Sorry. I had to run out in the snowstorm. It appears that a lack of planning on my daughter's part equated an emergency on my part.

406 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:18:18am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

Way to abandon national security, douchebags.

Nice try Kilgore, but in Kings case he's interested in NYC security

ALSO ,,,, at an estimated 200 million a year over 3-4 years what they're saying is that there are a LOT less expensive and more secure venues

but keep swinging ,,,, you're bound to get a hit

407 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:18:31am

re: #388 negativ

Biography?

Well, I do have a sledgehammer.

408 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:18:32am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

You've got to be shitting me...
GOP lawmakers to try to block federal funds for 9/11 prosecutions


Way to abandon national security, douchebags.

Not really, Killgore. They're trying to mandate the use of military tribunals to handle the case.

409 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:18:41am

re: #389 Rightwingconspirator

There have been articles about the real consequences. The government is officially homophobic, so this is ugly in many ways.

yep, although if i had a penny for every time i heard the phrase "bigoted communist party", i'd be bankrupt. The phrase "bigoted religious __", however, is as ubiquitous as rain in seattle.

For some reason, secularism is like an invisibility cloak for homophobia.

410 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:18:46am

re: #166 Buck

Is the recent racist remark from Chris Matthews not thread worthy? I mean if Rush, O'Reilly or Imus had said the stupid "I forgot he was black" comment we would be discussing how racist it was.

Previously:

Matthews: "Can Obama now win over the regular folks, white folks, against John McCain?"

Matthews: Obama "can't walk into a dinette with five or six guys there, white guys, in some cases ... He can't just shake hands and hang out"

Matthews: Does Obama "connect with regular people" or just African-Americans and college grads?

Matthews on Obama: "[T]his gets very ethnic, but the fact that he's good at basketball doesn't surprise anybody"

We did discuss it. Yes, it was racist. Chris Matthews is a weird man.

411 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:19:13am

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Liberals are not racists. Many say racist things. Many have racist beliefs. But, since they are liberals, they are by definition, not racists.

You've never talked to a radical leftist, have you?

412 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:19:44am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

You've got to be shitting me...
GOP lawmakers to try to block federal funds for 9/11 prosecutions


Way to abandon national security, douchebags.

I think you misunderstand the entire issue...or you are simply being stubborn

413 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:19:49am

re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist

We had a sex-ed assembly at the school. Separate genders. Afterward, one of the boys tried hard to convince me that by telling them not to sext we were encouraging sexual encounters face-to-face.

My mother is concerned that the upcoming generation seems to believe that sex is something you can phone in.

I dated a guy like that once.

Only once.

414 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:19:59am

re: #410 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, good. I don't have to read upthread. You'll bring down the interesting parts.

415 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:20:10am

re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist

We had a sex-ed assembly at the school. Separate genders. Afterward, one of the boys tried hard to convince me that by telling them not to sext we were encouraging sexual encounters face-to-face.

My mother is concerned that the upcoming generation seems to believe that sex is something you can phone in.

it's safer, though!

//

416 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:20:45am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

You've got to be shitting me...
GOP lawmakers to try to block federal funds for 9/11 prosecutions


Way to abandon national security, douchebags.

It's not that simple KT. There's more to the story. From your link:

Earlier in the week a bipartisan contingent of senators wrote Holder and asked him to consider military trials for the alleged terrorists, saying, “The attacks of 9/11 were acts of war, and those who planned and carried out those attacks are war criminals.”

The letter was signed by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.), Jim Webb (D-Va.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Susan Collins (R-Maine).

417 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:20:46am

re: #398 SanFranciscoZionist

And figure out ways to protect kids, rather than charging them with crimes for fooling around with their phones.

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

"Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres." ("In this country, it is wise to kill an admiral from time to time to give courage to the others.")

- Voltaire

Making object lessons out of people has been a tactic of governments since Sumeria.

418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:20:53am

re: #411 SanFranciscoZionist

heh.

I have to make a difficult admission.

I am wearing a leopard print snuggie.

419 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:21:18am

re: #394 rwmofo

And what an undrerrated talent.

420 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:22:59am

re: #416 rwmofo

It's not that simple KT. There's more to the story. From your link:

Earlier in the week a bipartisan contingent of senators wrote Holder and asked him to consider military trials for the alleged terrorists, saying, “The attacks of 9/11 were acts of war, and those who planned and carried out those attacks are war criminals.”

The letter was signed by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.), Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.), Jim Webb (D-Va.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Susan Collins (R-Maine).

Thanks rwmofo

KILLGORE ,,, You may want to wear longer sleeves ,,, you're partisanship is showing

421 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:23:09am

Time to stop being lazy and get some exercise. Good thing my bike's on a trainer. I don't want to try riding in the snow.

422 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:23:26am

Later all. Wife wants me to spend 15 min. field-stripping a robot to avoid 5 min. of vacuuming.

423 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:23:57am

re: #416 rwmofo

(((btw,,, not to mention that Chuck Shumer, that noted far right winger has now come out with reservations about having the trial in NYC)))

424 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:24:05am

re: #410 SanFranciscoZionist

We did discuss it. Yes, it was racist. Chris Matthews is a weird man.

I bet he sleeps with an Obama man-shaped pillow every night.

425 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:24:58am

Wild mountain honey.

Youtube Video
426 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:25:24am

re: #408 Dark_Falcon

Not really, Killgore. They're trying to mandate the use of military tribunals to handle the case.

Exactly they're trying to limit the tools available to fight terrorism. Listen, I'm in favor of military tribunals as well but prohibiting the use of the court system is just reckless and stupid.

427 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:25:33am

re: #424 Mad Al-Jaffee

I bet he sleeps with an Obama man-shaped pillow every night.

EEEWWW ,,, BRAIN BLEACH ,, STAT!!!!

428 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:26:47am

re: #424 Mad Al-Jaffee

I bet he sleeps with an Obama man-shaped pillow every night.

OK, THAT made me laugh.

429 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:26:54am

re: #420 sattv4u2

Thanks rwmofo

KILLGORE ,,, You may want to wear longer sleeves ,,, you're partisanship is showing

COMMENT OF THE MONTH... imo.

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:27:44am

re: #281 sattv4u2

Odd ,, I see no mention of other Muslim inventions like vest bombs, child jihadists, pizza cafe demolition, female subjugation,,,

You think female subjugation is a Muslim invention? Hoo boy, have I got news for you...

431 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:27:47am

re: #426 Killgore Trout

Exactly they're trying to limit the tools available to fight terrorism. Listen, I'm in favor of military tribunals as well but prohibiting the use of the court system is just reckless and stupid.

LOL ,,,

THEY are trying to limit the tools available to fight terrorism

"sargeant,,, i just captured Osama Bin Laden, what should I do"

"c'mon private,, you KNOW you have to 1st read him his Mirand rights!"

432 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:28:07am

re: #427 sattv4u2

EEEWWW ,,, BRAIN BLEACH ,, STAT!!!

Could be worse, I was going to post "Obama blowup doll."

433 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:28:09am

re: #424 Mad Al-Jaffee

I bet he sleeps with an Obama man-shaped pillow every night.

SPEW

434 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:28:26am

re: #426 Killgore Trout

They are trying to avoid what they (and many others) see as the wrong tool.

435 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:28:34am

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

You think female subjugation is a Muslim invention? Hoo boy, have I got news for you...

hey ,,,, I was going for the mental picture

436 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:28:40am

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

You think female subjugation is a Muslim invention? Hoo boy, have I got news for you...

Yeah, it's been around quite some time.

437 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:28:54am

re: #384 albusteve

probably a narco terrorist

Do you think having a Pancho Villa State Park in New Mexico is like having an Osama Bin Laden State Park in Manhattan?

438 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:29:08am

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

You think female subjugation is a Muslim invention? Hoo boy, have I got news for you...

Let's subjugate men for a change!

439 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:29:49am

re: #438 MandyManners

Let's subjugate men for a change!

I see you do that here on a daily basis!!


(((runnin away!!!!))

440 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:30:24am

re: #436 MandyManners

Hence the awful & cliche caveman dragging woman by the hair club in hand.

441 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:30:28am

re: #426 Killgore Trout

Exactly they're trying to limit the tools available to fight terrorism. Listen, I'm in favor of military tribunals as well but prohibiting the use of the court system is just reckless and stupid.

why is it reckless? it's not like they're getting out on bail if the process is reconsidered...

442 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:30:47am

What's goin' on?


Youtube Video
443 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:31:27am

re: #438 MandyManners

I think there is a web site for that...

444 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:31:28am

re: #426 Killgore Trout

Exactly they're trying to limit the tools available to fight terrorism. Listen, I'm in favor of military tribunals as well but prohibiting the use of the court system is just reckless and stupid.

YUP ,, because the ONE thing the jihadists are terrified of is a 3 year trial in Manhatten followed by a prison sentence!!

shhheeeesh

445 KansasMom  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:32:04am

re: #438 MandyManners

I say we start by making them field strip robots to avoid 5 minutes of vacuuming.

446 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:32:18am

re: #437 wrenchwench

Do you think having a Pancho Villa State Park in New Mexico is like having an Osama Bin Laden State Park in Manhattan?

I've been there....very strange, but it does not glorify Villa....he killed 18 Americans and burned half of Columbus fer cryin out loud....they should have named the park after one of the lost troopers that drove him off....but at Palomas, right at the border is a 30' statue of him on his horse all war like....people love him down there

447 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:32:30am

Wow... this guy Pachauri of the IPCC makes Al Gore look like a piker...

449 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:33:52am

re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist

You think female subjugation is a Muslim invention? Hoo boy, have I got news for you...

How about this? Over the last 30-40 years we've seen progress in most of the western world, but even in the good old USA some of us sexist bastards could take about .3 more seconds to reflect before letting loose our with our observations that seemed funny when it first came to mind.

...and you know I love the ladies.

451 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:33:56am

re: #446 albusteve

I've been there...very strange, but it does not glorify Villa...he killed 18 Americans and burned half of Columbus fer cryin out loud...they should have named the park after one of the lost troopers that drove him off...but at Palomas, right at the border is a 30' statue of him on his horse all war like...people love him down there

Last time I was there, a group of soldiers from Fort Bliss was getting a lesson in tactics and history. It was cool to listen in for a bit.

452 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:33:57am

re: #438 MandyManners

Let's subjugate men for a change!

There are probably guys who would pay for you to do that.

453 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:35:15am

re: #445 KansasMom

I say we start by making them field strip robots to avoid 5 minutes of vacuuming.

You gotta save that one for when Decatur Deb gets back!

454 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:36:01am

re: #438 MandyManners

Let's subjugate men for a change!

What do you have in mind? Heh.

455 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:36:15am

re: #448 Walter L. Newton

Oops... Questions over business deals of UN climate change guru Dr Rajendra Pachauri - The head of the UN's climate change panel - Dr Rajendra Pachauri - is accused of making a fortune from his links with 'carbon trading' companies

Last night, driving home from work, someone was discussing Bin Ladens recent tape re: Global Warming being Americas fault and all

The shows host said Bin Laden is quitting Al Quada and joining Al Gora!

456 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:37:17am

re: #451 wrenchwench

Last time I was there, a group of soldiers from Fort Bliss was getting a lesson in tactics and history. It was cool to listen in for a bit.

the little museum there tells Villa story very nicely I thought...I was the only person there besides a couple of state employees....very quiet down there, but I won't be partying in Palomas again...it's been swept up in narc wars

457 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:38:04am

re: #455 sattv4u2

Who was that brilliant smart ass? If he does podcasts I want to hear him.

458 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:39:01am

You find me hard to handle?

Youtube Video
459 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:39:18am

re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist

1) You should give me your mother's phone number;

2) when I was in junior high, a STERN and OMINOUS day arrived when we were, without explanation, separated by gender and sequestered into separate sections of the school building. We boys were subjected to an extremely bizarre film that pretty much said: "BEING MALE, YOU MAY SUFFER FROM AN ERECTION FROM TIME TO TIME. If this happens to you, seek out the advice of your P.E. coach or clergyman, both of whom only stick their finger up your butt when it's in your best interests." We were never allowed to know OR EVEN TO ASK what the girls learned.

460 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:39:45am

re: #455 sattv4u2

Last night, driving home from work, someone was discussing Bin Ladens recent tape re: Global Warming being Americas fault and all

The shows host said Bin Laden is quitting Al Quada and joining Al Gora!

Is Bin Laden is still dead?

461 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:39:49am

re: #457 Rightwingconspirator

Who was that brilliant smart ass? If he does podcasts I want to hear him.

I'm a channel flipper when I drive. I have 3 sports and 4 'news/commentary' type stations programmed that I flip between. it may have been a guest on Mark Levin, but I'm not positive thats where I heard it

462 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:40:07am

re: #456 albusteve

the little museum there tells Villa story very nicely I thought...I was the only person there besides a couple of state employees...very quiet down there, but I won't be partying in Palomas again...it's been swept up in narc wars

The biggest dentist in that town (most of whose patients are Americans) was kidnapped around Thanksgiving, and has not been heard from since.

463 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:40:29am

re: #448 Walter L. Newton

Oops... Questions over business deals of UN climate change guru Dr Rajendra Pachauri - The head of the UN's climate change panel - Dr Rajendra Pachauri - is accused of making a fortune from his links with 'carbon trading' companies

And that, folks, is why 'cap and trade' is a bad idea. Most of the 'trade' money will just be lost to fraud. It won't do much good, it'll cripple our economy, and the only people who get anything out of it are Swiss bankers and UN kleptocrats.

464 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:41:57am

re: #463 Dark_Falcon

And that, folks, is why 'cap and trade' is a bad idea. Most of the 'trade' money will just be lost to fraud. It won't do much good, it'll cripple our economy, and the only people who get anything out of it are Swiss bankers and UN kleptocrats.

There you go... another AGW denier.

465 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:42:13am

re: #460 rwmofo

Is Bin Laden is still dead?

Many say he is. I thought so also until (iirc) sometime after Obama was inagurated 'Bin Laden" came out with a new message and the CIA authenticated it was his voice (and the message had timely, i.e. 2009 news, mentioned in it0

466 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:42:28am

re: #441 aceofwhat?

why is it reckless?


Because, as we've seen in the past the supreme court can still interfere in military tribunals. Attempting to limit the options available to the administration to fight terrorism is going to result in bad PR and it's never going to succeed. How about helping Obama convict terrorists? Sounds crazy, eh?

467 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:43:25am

re: #459 negativ

"...YOU MAY SUFFER FROM AN ERECTION FROM TIME TO TIME."

In junior high? Hell, when I was 13 it was rare when I didn't have an erection.

468 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:43:56am

re: #462 wrenchwench

The biggest dentist in that town (most of whose patients are Americans) was kidnapped around Thanksgiving, and has not been heard from since.

the Journal ran a story, front page, a few weeks ago about Palomas...I think the mayor was murdered this year...there were 60 killings or disappearances this past year, a town of 3000 residents...it's a mess down there

469 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:45:36am

China suspended military exchanges with the United States, threatened unprecedented sanctions against American defense companies and warned Saturday that cooperation would suffer after Washington announced $6.4 billion in planned arms sales to Taiwan.

The response to Friday's U.S. announcement, while not entirely unexpected, was swift and indicated that China plans to put up a greater challenge than usual as it deals with the most sensitive topic in U.S.-China relations.

SNIP


But, BHO likes China's infrastructure.

470 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:46:43am

re: #466 Killgore Trout

Because, as we've seen in the past the supreme court can still interfere in military tribunals. Attempting to limit the options available to the administration to fight terrorism is going to result in bad PR and it's never going to succeed. How about helping Obama convict terrorists? Sounds crazy, eh?

KSM is already baked...there is simply no need for a NYC civil extravaganza...BO has much bigger problems with the TSA

471 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:48:10am

re: #466 Killgore Trout

Because, as we've seen in the past the supreme court can still interfere in military tribunals. Attempting to limit the options available to the administration to fight terrorism is going to result in bad PR and it's never going to succeed. How about helping Obama convict terrorists? Sounds crazy, eh?

Well, the first step in helping him is reminding him to stop arrresting them with civilian law enforcement. It's harder to help those who aren't helping themselves.

But can't legislators legislate a legal way to move these guys to tribunals? What else would you say that legislators do for a living?

472 jaunte  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:48:15am

re: #464 Walter L. Newton
That article is a good illustration of how cap and trade just moves emissions (and job loss) around the world without a net reduction in emissions.


All of this is doubtless useful to the interests of Tata back in India, which is heavily involved not just in bio-energy, renewables and insurance but also in ‘carbon trading’, the worldwide market in buying and selling the right to emit CO2. Much of this is administered at a profit by the UN under the Clean Development Mechanism (CDM) set up under the Kyoto Protocol, which the Copenhagen treaty was designed to replace with an even more lucrative successor.

Under the CDM, firms and consumers in the developed world pay for the right to exceed their ‘carbon limits’ by buying certificates from those firms in countries such as India and China which rack up ‘carbon credits’ for every renewable energy source they develop – or by showing that they have in some way reduced their own ‘carbon emissions’.

It is one of these deals, reported in last week’s Sunday Telegraph, which is enabling Tata to "mothball" nearly three million tonnes of steel production at its Corus plant in Redcar, while opening a new plant in Orissa with a similar scale of production, gaining in the process a potential £1.2 billion in ‘carbon credits’ (while putting 1,700 people on Teesside out of work).

473 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:48:57am

re: #472 jaunte

That article is a good illustration of how cap and trade just moves emissions (and job loss) around the world without a net reduction in emissions.

How many AGW deniers do we have here... you too?

474 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:49:07am

re: #352 MandyManners

A suicide bomber killed 16 people Saturday at a police checkpoint in a northwest Pakistani tribal area where the military declared victory over the Taliban and al-Qaida last year, highlighting the difficulty Islamabad has in holding regions once the battle phase of its army offensives end.

If they're fighting the security forces in pitched battles, are they still terrorists? I mean, at the momnet?

TERRORISTS! TERRORISTS! TERRORISTS!

Fucking AP.

475 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:50:31am

re: #471 aceofwhat?

Well, the first step in helping him is reminding him to stop arrresting them with civilian law enforcement. It's harder to help those who aren't helping themselves.

But can't legislators legislate a legal way to move these guys to tribunals? What else would you say that legislators do for a living?

it's BOs call as CinC before the fact...the panty bomber should never have been arrested...very bad move, just a terrific blunder considering all tempest surrounding these trials and tribunals

476 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:50:42am

re: #463 Dark_Falcon

And that, folks, is why 'cap and trade' is a bad idea. Most of the 'trade' money will just be lost to fraud. It won't do much good, it'll cripple our economy, and the only people who get anything out of it are Swiss bankers and UN kleptocrats.

to say nothing of the fact that about half of the warming can be attributed to particulate emissions from 3rd world countries who just burn sh#t day and night...how about capping them apples?

477 jaunte  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:51:08am

re: #473 Walter L. Newton

I think humans are having an effect on warming the planet's temperature. How much, and whether we can moderate it, is still an open question. I don't think cap and trade is going to make any difference except to move money around.

478 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:51:39am

re: #471 aceofwhat?


What else would you say that legislators do for a living?

Important things!!!

[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

479 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:51:58am

re: #471 aceofwhat?

Think of it this way. remember how bad it looked when the Dems started talking about cutting funds for Iraq when or soldiers were in the field? They thought it was a great idea and their base loved it. Cutting funds for terrorist trials is the same thing. It appeals to certain elements but it's going to look bad to the majority of the population.

480 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:52:28am

re: #477 jaunte

I think humans are having an effect on warming the planet's temperature. How much, and whether we can moderate it, is still an open question. I don't think cap and trade is going to make any difference except to move money around.

well said

481 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:53:12am

Can't you see?

Youtube Video
482 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:53:38am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

Think of it this way. remember how bad it looked when the Dems started talking about cutting funds for Iraq when or soldiers were in the field? They thought it was a great idea and their base loved it. Cutting funds for terrorist trials is the same thing. It appeals to certain elements but it's going to look bad to the majority of the population.

you have GOT to be shitting me

Who was your favorite comic book hero growing up, Elastic Man!?!?!

483 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:54:15am

re: #448 Walter L. Newton

Oops... Questions over business deals of UN climate change guru Dr Rajendra Pachauri - The head of the UN's climate change panel - Dr Rajendra Pachauri - is accused of making a fortune from his links with 'carbon trading' companies

BBC announced this morning that more problems had been found with the IPCC's references. I didn't catch the details, but another section has been found with sources tracing back to advocacy groups, rather than peer reviewed publications, this time in regards to tropical climatic zones.

484 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:54:27am

re: #473 Walter L. Newton

How many AGW deniers do we have here... you too?

I don't deny it, I just don't care that much for all the hoopla and don't see where falling lockstep one way or the other makes much difference in the long run...the right thing to do is reduce CO2 emissions, regardless if it saves the planet or not...which I highly doubt....cap and trade is absurd, the UN is criminal, and the sun comes up in the east

485 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:55:01am

Nigeria's main rebel group Saturday called off a truce in the oil-rich Niger Delta, threatening an "all-out onslaught" and adding to the political and economic woes of Africa's oil and gas giant.

The announcement is a fresh blow for authorities amid uncertainty over the health of the country's president, in hospital in Saudi Arabia for more than two months, which has sparked an unprecendented political crisis.

The Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND) had declared the unilateral ceasefire on October 25 to allow "meaningful" dialogue with authorities.


SNIP

486 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:55:08am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

Think of it this way. remember how bad it looked when the Dems started talking about cutting funds for Iraq when or soldiers were in the field? They thought it was a great idea and their base loved it. Cutting funds for terrorist trials is the same thing. It appeals to certain elements but it's going to look bad to the majority of the population.

i disagree, but i'm happy to agree to disagree. from what i can tell (though i'm not claiming to have the pulse of the nation), there aren't a lot of people excited about trying these douchebags in civilian court.

so i think that's a major difference. but we'll see if this backfires or not soon enough. i was debating you on the principle (which i support) as opposed to the efficacy of the tactic. i think the better analogy is supporting the war but having a different opinion on how one particular battle should be fought.

487 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:55:13am

re: #478 sattv4u2

What else would you say that legislators do for a living?

Important things!!!

[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

BOWL GATE!

488 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:55:17am

re: #477 jaunte

I think humans are having an effect on warming the planet's temperature. How much, and whether we can moderate it, is still an open question. I don't think cap and trade is going to make any difference except to move money around.

You know I was being sarcastic. It seems that if you have ANY problem with some of these antics, these problems with some of these major players, you are simply a AGW denier.

489 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:56:19am

Just finished a book about iran by Bob Baer, a former CIA guy. And while I disagree with his ultimate conclusion that we should basically engage iran, find out what they want, and agree to much of it, he did explain something about suicide bombings that some of us probably don't understand.

He said that while the shia have a military and political stretegy behind these acts, the sunnis use them strictly for wanton violence and pure destruction. So when hezbollah or other iranian proxies blow themselves up, frequently there is at least SOME connection to a military target. But the sunnis are not as strategic and prefer to simply kill innocents, even though there is no real political gain from such violence. Very interesting stuff.

490 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:57:04am

re: #483 SixDegrees

BBC announced this morning that more problems had been found with the IPCC's references. I didn't catch the details, but another section has been found with sources tracing back to advocacy groups, rather than peer reviewed publications, this time in regards to tropical climatic zones.

Another AGW denier... they're coming out of the woodwork this morning.

491 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:57:52am

re: #479 Killgore Trout

Think of it this way. remember how bad it looked when the Dems started talking about cutting funds for Iraq when or soldiers were in the field? They thought it was a great idea and their base loved it. Cutting funds for terrorist trials is the same thing. It appeals to certain elements but it's going to look bad to the majority of the population.

wrong...give the voters some credit...and I'll bet the vast majority of all citizens prefer the tribunals...they are set up specifically for the terror trial so use them....cutting funds for civil trials hardly equates with cutting and running from Iraq

492 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:57:55am

re: #490 Walter L. Newton

Another AGW denier... they're coming out of the woodwork this morning.

Well ,, you know us guys and our morning wood!!

493 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:58:06am

re: #483 SixDegrees

BBC announced this morning that more problems had been found with the IPCC's references. I didn't catch the details, but another section has been found with sources tracing back to advocacy groups, rather than peer reviewed publications, this time in regards to tropical climatic zones.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

494 jaunte  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:58:24am

re: #488 Walter L. Newton

Yes, it's tactic to blow by any opposition.

495 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:58:37am

re: #488 Walter L. Newton

You know I was being sarcastic. It seems that if you have ANY problem with some of these antics, these problems with some of these major players, you are simply a AGW denier.

i agree, a lot of people have trouble conflating agreement on the basic theory and agreement on what we do from here. they're two completely different questions.

496 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:58:39am

re: #491 albusteve

gmta ,,, #482

497 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:59:23am

re: #490 Walter L. Newton

Another AGW denier... they're coming out of the woodwork this morning.

AGW aside, I'd have to say that my opinion of the IPCC and it's publications has fallen into the basement of late.

498 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:59:52am

re: #495 aceofwhat?

i agree, a lot of people have trouble conflating agreement on the basic theory and agreement on what we do from here. they're two completely different questions.

Here's what Six Degrees was talking about...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

499 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:00:04am

re: #488 Walter L. Newton

You know I was being sarcastic. It seems that if you have ANY problem with some of these antics, these problems with some of these major players, you are simply a AGW denier.

the whole thing is teeming with fraud, whether the science is true or not....there are fortunes to be made, and I could give a crap how I'm labeled...I'll bet that makes two of us

500 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:00:31am

re: #486 aceofwhat?


i think the better analogy is supporting the war but having a different opinion on how one particular battle should be fought.

I agree with that analogy. It's the same with Iraq. The Dems in congress didn't like the way the war was being fought and would have loved to undermine the CiC. I was not a big fan of the Iraq war but once we were in it I wanted to win and supported the President and the military. Smae thing applies to these trials. My preference is military tribunals but if Obama thinks the best avenue is the courts then I wish him well and hope he gets the convictions. I would support any measures that help him get those convictions. It would be counterproductive to attempt to sabotage terrorist trials by cutting off funding.

501 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:00:43am

re: #497 SixDegrees

AGW aside, I'd have to say that my opinion of the IPCC and it's publications has fallen into the basement of late.

Not around here evidently. I had people arguing last night that these players are like saints.

502 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:01:20am

re: #491 albusteve

Go ahead. I know the appeal of sabotaging terrorist trials seems like a brilliant idea to a lot of people. Good luck with that.

503 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:01:28am

re: #493 Walter L. Newton

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

I see that one of the respondents is calling the report "Fake, but accurate."

504 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:03:46am

re: #499 albusteve

the whole thing is teeming with fraud, whether the science is true or not...there are fortunes to be made, and I could give a crap how I'm labeled...I'll bet that makes two of us

I haven't let it stop me. Like I have said before, they want to call me an AGW denier, well, then they are just as guilty of being PPP deniers... process, procedure and protocol deniers. If people have to have their science SO bad that they will ignore the politics, lies and beyond a shadow of a doubt problems, then let them have all the rope they need to hang themselves.

505 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:05:00am

re: #502 Killgore Trout

Go ahead. I know the appeal of sabotaging terrorist trials seems like a brilliant idea to a lot of people. Good luck with that.

For FUCKS sake,, NOBODY is "sabotaging terrorist trials" They just do NOT want them in THAT venue, in THAT city

IF the admin stayed with tribunals, there would STILL BE TRIALS

506 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:05:24am

re: #502 Killgore Trout

Go ahead. I know the appeal of sabotaging terrorist trials seems like a brilliant idea to a lot of people. Good luck with that.

it's not sabotaging...that's ridiculous...you sound like some screecher...it's moving the venue where most people feel it belongs....we are not traitors, we just see no reason for KSM or the panty bomber to have a civil trial...maybbe others, but not those guys...and further I have yet to find any reason to trust BO, that's the difference between you and I right there

507 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:08:30am

Hey Morning/Afternoon Lizards!

It's sunny and cold where I am.

How are you?

508 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:09:16am

re: #507 ggt

Hey Morning/Afternoon Lizards!

It's sunny and cold where I am.

How are you?

Snowing like a son of a bitch and 18 degrees.

You wouldn't think I was in the South.

509 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:10:08am

First it was a sentence or two in some old emails, then a sentence about glaciers, and now a reference questioned (but not the essence of what it claims). All this yakking reminds me of counting "I"s. Pretty soon we will be down to typos.

510 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:10:18am

re: #504 Walter L. Newton

I haven't let it stop me. Like I have said before, they want to call me an AGW denier, well, then they are just as guilty of being PPP deniers... process, procedure and protocol deniers. If people have to have their science SO bad that they will ignore the politics, lies and beyond a shadow of a doubt problems, then let them have all the rope they need to hang themselves.

If we give them all that rope, Many will order them to piss up it when they get caught lying.

BBT

511 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:10:26am

re: #508 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Snowing like a son of a bitch and 18 degrees.

You wouldn't think I was in the South.


At least snow can be fun and it doesn't soak you thru and thru like rain. It's the wind I have a hard time with.

512 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:10:29am

re: #507 ggt

Hey Morning/Afternoon Lizards!

It's sunny and cold where I am.

How are you?

Watching the GOP destroy our nation by sabotaging the terrorist trial in NYC... bad GOP, bad.
//

513 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:10:30am

Freebird.


Youtube Video
514 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:11:16am

re: #507 ggt

Hey Morning/Afternoon Lizards!

It's sunny and cold where I am.

How are you?

overcast, occasional rain and COLD in Atlanta

About 10-15 miles north of the city, freezing rain and a few snow flurries

WELCOME TO GLOBAL WARMING!!

(yeah yeah ,, i know ,, CLIMATE is not WEATHER!!!!)

515 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:11:33am

re: #481 MandyManners

Can't you see?


[Video]

I saw Marshall Tucker and Lynyrd Skynyrd when I was in HS (74-75). I think the ticket was $9, maybe $10.

516 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:12:04am

re: #509 Naso Tang

First it was a sentence or two in some old emails, then a sentence about glaciers, and now a reference questioned (but not the essence of what it claims). All this yakking reminds me of counting "I"s. Pretty soon we will be down to typos.

probably just the tip of the iceberg...I don't trust the UN or anybody connected with it myself...I'm just a pathetic, narrow minded rube like that

517 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:12:18am

re: #509 Naso Tang

First it was a sentence or two in some old emails, then a sentence about glaciers, and now a reference questioned (but not the essence of what it claims). All this yakking reminds me of counting "I"s. Pretty soon we will be down to typos.

Do you understand the IPCC head's connections to business?

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

518 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:12:21am

re: #512 Walter L. Newton

Watching the GOP destroy our nation by sabotaging the terrorist trial in NYC... bad GOP, bad.
//

You just knocked me into second place for Comment Of The Month!

519 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:12:40am

re: #514 sattv4u2

overcast, occasional rain and COLD in Atlanta

About 10-15 miles north of the city, freezing rain and a few snow flurries

WELCOME TO GLOBAL WARMING!!

(yeah yeah ,, i know ,, CLIMATE is not WEATHER!!!)

"weather" patterns are changing. Isn't it an el nino year?

520 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:13:11am

re: #519 ggt

"weather" patterns are changing. Isn't it an el nino year?

I dunno ,,, I don't speak Spanish !!!

/

521 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:13:18am

re: #512 Walter L. Newton

Watching the GOP destroy our nation by sabotaging the terrorist trial in NYC... bad GOP, bad.
//

talk about over the top...that just oozes with crazy conspiracy ideas

522 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:13:56am

re: #509 Naso Tang

First it was a sentence or two in some old emails, then a sentence about glaciers, and now a reference questioned (but not the essence of what it claims). All this yakking reminds me of counting "I"s. Pretty soon we will be down to typos.

Another PPP denier. A process, procedure and protocol denier. You don't care if the science is good or bad, you don't care if the procedures have been sloppy or well defined, you don't care if they have thrown scientific protocol out the window, as long as you believe, that's all that matters.

it is just like religion, isn't it?

523 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:14:05am

re: #515 rwmofo

I saw Marshall Tucker and Lynyrd Skynyrd when I was in HS (74-75). I think the ticket was $9, maybe $10.

I Saw Skynyrd with the Who at the Cow Palace in SF

524 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:14:39am

Cold and sunny here, too. We were down in the single digits last night. On the eminently practical Fahrenheit scale, that is.

At the moment, the house is slowly filling with the smell of braising pork shoulder, slowly bubbling away in a puddle of apple cider, apple chunks, onions, carrots, celery, cinnamon, allspice, ground ginger and cayenne pepper. At $1.29 a pound, I may have to buy another shoulder and freeze it.

525 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:15:00am

re: #512 Walter L. Newton

Watching the GOP destroy our nation by sabotaging the terrorist trial in NYC... bad GOP, bad.
//

NYC can't afford it --who can? Maybe that town with the rodent that sees his shadow, or doesn't.

526 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:15:54am

re: #522 Walter L. Newton

Another PPP denier. A process, procedure and protocol denier. You don't care if the science is good or bad, you don't care if the procedures have been sloppy or well defined, you don't care if they have thrown scientific protocol out the window, as long as you believe, that's all that matters.

it is just like religion, isn't it?

I'm to the point where all I can think is "follow the money".

527 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:17:17am

re: #515 rwmofo

I saw Marshall Tucker and Lynyrd Skynyrd when I was in HS (74-75). I think the ticket was $9, maybe $10.

My favorite was Foghat.


Youtube Video
528 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:17:52am

re: #526 ggt

I'm to the point where all I can think is "follow the money".

t's getting to the point
Where I'm no fun anymore
I am sorry
Sometimes it hurts so badly
I must cry out loud
I am lonely
I am yours, you are mine
You are what you are
And you make it hard.

529 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:18:14am

re: #526 ggt

I'm to the point where all I can think is "follow the money".

Ludwig specifically told us that this has nothing to do with money. Oh, and this also has nothing to do with politics. It's all just science, settled science...

arlier this week, Britain's chief scientific advisor, Professor John Beddington, called on climate scientists to be more honest about the uncertainties of global warming.

530 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:18:22am

re: #525 ggt

NYC can't afford it --who can? Maybe that town with the rodent that sees his shadow, or doesn't.

the security costs would be picked up by the feds...in other words by you

531 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:19:43am

re: #529 Walter L. Newton

Ludwig specifically told us that this has nothing to do with money. Oh, and this also has nothing to do with politics. It's all just science, settled science...

arlier this week, Britain's chief scientific advisor, Professor John Beddington, called on climate scientists to be more honest about the uncertainties of global warming.

ahhhhhhhhh!

532 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:19:55am

re: #516 albusteve

probably just the tip of the iceberg...I don't trust the UN or anybody connected with it myself...I'm just a pathetic, narrow minded rube like that

I see the sarc, but it is a bit of a strawman is it not. Just because a bear shits on an iceberg doesn't mean it's floating on crap.

533 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:20:50am

re: #529 Walter L. Newton

Ludwig specifically told us that this has nothing to do with money. Oh, and this also has nothing to do with politics. It's all just science, settled science...

arlier this week, Britain's chief scientific advisor, Professor John Beddington, called on climate scientists to be more honest about the uncertainties of global warming.

Blasphemer!

534 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:22:30am

Has Ludwig left us, and where is Sharmuta?

535 jaunte  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:23:15am

re: #529 Walter L. Newton

Ludwig specifically told us that this has nothing to do with money. Oh, and this also has nothing to do with politics. It's all just science, settled science...

I don't think the arguments over the issue have anything to do with science except in some very rarefied circles. It has everything to do with money and who gains vs. who pays.

536 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:23:18am

re: #534 Naso Tang

Has Ludwig left us, and where is Sharmuta?

not together, I guarantee that

537 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:24:11am

re: #532 Naso Tang

I see the sarc, but it is a bit of a strawman is it not. Just because a bear shits on an iceberg doesn't mean it's floating on crap.

What it means is that the IPCC is incapable of putting together a properly referenced report. Which implies that the conclusions drawn by the IPCC in that report, or by others, are unsubstantiated.

This is the sort of job any sophmore could handle with aplomb. Yet a group of alleged professionals managed to fuck it up.

The credibility of the IPCC has now sunk, in my opinion, to a level similar to that of Big Time Wrestling.

538 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:24:47am

re: #532 Naso Tang

I see the sarc, but it is a bit of a strawman is it not. Just because a bear shits on an iceberg doesn't mean it's floating on crap.

Why don't you address some of the information that has been posted over the last few days and this morning about some of the process, procedure and protocol problems that have been unearthed in regards to CRU, IPCC and others instead of just spurting all these worthless aphorism.

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

539 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:26:23am

re: #534 Naso Tang

Has Ludwig left us, and where is Sharmuta?

Sharm disappeared after calling out a couple of trolls, who retaliated very nastily at having their ongoing bad behavior dragged out into the sunlight. In one of the overnight threads, roughly a week ago.

540 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:28:48am

re: #539 SixDegrees

Sharm disappeared after calling out a couple of trolls, who retaliated very nastily at having their ongoing bad behavior dragged out into the sunlight. In one of the overnight threads, roughly a week ago.

Twas ugly, and the few times she has ventured in to say 'hi", it all starts again (that is, if said trolls are about)

541 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:29:35am

re: #537 SixDegrees

The credibility of the IPCC has now sunk, in my opinion, to a level similar to that of Big Time Wrestling

At least big Time Wrasslin has some entertainment value!

542 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:30:36am

re: #541 sattv4u2

The credibility of the IPCC has now sunk, in my opinion, to a level similar to that of Big Time Wrestling

At least big Time Wrasslin has some entertainment value!

Maybe the IPCC should bget better uniforms? and build some sexy ab muscles.

543 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:30:46am

re: #528 HoosierHoops

t's getting to the point
Where I'm no fun anymore
I am sorry
Sometimes it hurts so badly
I must cry out loud
I am lonely
I am yours, you are mine
You are what you are
And you make it hard.

In bed.

544 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:31:07am

re: #529 Walter L. Newton

NO KIMCHI FOR YOU!

545 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:31:46am

re: #539 SixDegrees

Sharm disappeared after calling out a couple of trolls, who retaliated very nastily at having their ongoing bad behavior dragged out into the sunlight. In one of the overnight threads, roughly a week ago.

Who?

546 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:32:48am

"The White House told Sen. John Kerry's office that the president plans to assume revenue from the controversial climate policy approach. Kerry aides said they had assurances the revenue won't be designated for issues unrelated to energy policy and combating climate change.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

if stuff like this is true, then it undermines BOs cred even more...problem is every crackpot idea seems to come true with this admin....imo writing budgets based on fantasy should be illegal...

547 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:33:17am

re: #545 MandyManners

Who?

They come as a pair.

548 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:33:19am

re: #539 SixDegrees

Sharm disappeared after calling out a couple of trolls, who retaliated very nastily at having their ongoing bad behavior dragged out into the sunlight. In one of the overnight threads, roughly a week ago.

longer than that by far

549 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:34:18am

re: #547 SixDegrees

They come as a pair.

Ah. 'Nuff said. I agree.

550 suchislife  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:34:37am

Is this where people will chime in to insist that nobody should critize lizards in their absence?

551 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:34:40am

re: #547 SixDegrees

They come as a pair.

I take it you completely discount their version of events?

552 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:34:41am

re: #548 albusteve

longer than that by far

You may be right. I know it started earlier, and turned into outright stalking eventually.

553 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:35:08am

re: #540 sattv4u2

re: #539 SixDegrees

Rubbish.

re: #534 Naso Tang

Has Ludwig left us, and where is Sharmuta?

LVQ is very busy with some (good) offline stuff.

554 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:35:28am

re: #539 SixDegrees

Sharm disappeared after calling out a couple of trolls, who retaliated very nastily at having their ongoing bad behavior dragged out into the sunlight. In one of the overnight threads, roughly a week ago.

I miss Sharmuta. I hope she finds what she is looking for.

555 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:35:35am

re: #551 SanFranciscoZionist

I take it you completely discount their version of events?

I support Sharm 100%, in this case and in most others.

556 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:35:52am

in lieu of BOs disagreement with the SCOTUS decision on campaign donations, why are his foreign contributions not being investigated?

557 suchislife  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:36:17am

Right, should have checked for Users!

558 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:37:17am

re: #556 albusteve

in lieu of BOs disagreement with the SCOTUS decision on campaign donations, why are his foreign contributions not being investigated?

Notice how people tend to forget that unions are allowed to do the same?

559 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:37:26am

re: #557 suchislife

Right, should have checked for Users!

You were right at the time. :) I happened to pop by.

Saw some of the usual bullshit and lies being spread and so logged in.

560 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:37:44am

Strange question. How many Lizards do you know that have more updings than posts? Other than newbies who get multiple updings as encouragement.

Yes, I am thinking of someone specific, but I don't know how unusual this is?

561 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:37:53am

re: #556 albusteve

in lieu of BOs disagreement with the SCOTUS decision on campaign donations, why are his foreign contributions not being investigated?

Which ones, and were they outside the law? Investigated by whom?

562 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:37:57am

re: #527 MandyManners

My favorite was Foghat.

[Video]

Yes! Saw them twice, 73-74. Both times they were performing outdoors in all-day venues with about six other bands. My Foghat records eventually sounded like there was popcorn popping in the background. Guess we shouldn't have used them as frisbees.

563 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:38:25am

re: #556 albusteve

in lieu of BOs disagreement with the SCOTUS decision on campaign donations, why are his foreign contributions not being investigated?

I didn't understand the bellyaching over "foreign influence." The SC decision is very narrow, and applies only to US corporations.

564 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:38:28am

re: #537 SixDegrees

Welcome to the world of human fallibility, but the bottom line is still that a summary report on science is not the science, even if includes some parts that are bad science.

565 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:38:56am

re: #558 MandyManners

Notice how people tend to forget that unions are allowed to do the same?

Who's forgetting? Some of us just get slightly nervous at watching a century of decisions go by the wayside.

566 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:39:04am

re: #563 SixDegrees

I didn't understand the bellyaching over "foreign influence." The SC decision is very narrow, and applies only to US corporations.

And, I should point out, other US organizations. Like unions, for example.

567 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:39:37am

re: #560 ggt

Strange question. How many Lizards do you know that have more updings than posts? Other than newbies who get multiple updings as encouragement.

Yes, I am thinking of someone specific, but I don't know how unusual this is?

I do, slightly. I don't know how unusual it is.

568 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:40:30am

ach! I pose a question and have to go--never mind. I don't want to start someting I can't finish.

Have a great day all!

569 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:40:54am

re: #564 Naso Tang

Welcome to the world of human fallibility, but the bottom line is still that a summary report on science is not the science, even if includes some parts that are bad science.

Then it behooves the IPCC to stop claiming it derives it's conclusions from the scientific realm.

570 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:40:59am

re: #561 SanFranciscoZionist

Which ones, and were they outside the law? Investigated by whom?

the whole pre-paid credit card thing the FEC never acted on

571 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:41:01am

re: #561 SanFranciscoZionist

Which ones, and were they outside the law? Investigated by whom?

And do we normally launch investigations if the President disagrees with the SC? Or is this special for Obama?

572 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:41:38am

A top Republican in the U.S. Senate is questioning the Obama administration's treatment of the man arrested in connection with the attempted bombing of a U.S. airliner last month.

In Saturday's weekly Republican address, Senator Susan Collins expressed her shock and disbelief that federal investigators spent only 50 minutes questioning bombing suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, before they allowed him to meet with a court-appointed attorney.

Collins says the FBI unilaterally decided to treat Abdulmutallab like a common criminal, not like the foreign terrorist that he is suspected of being, without consulting any of the nation's top intelligence agencies.

The senator calls the decision dangerous, and she accuses the Obama administration of having a "blind spot" when it comes to the war on terror. Collins says foreign terrorists are enemy combatants and should be treated as such.


SNIP

573 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:42:03am

re: #563 SixDegrees

I didn't understand the bellyaching over "foreign influence." The SC decision is very narrow, and applies only to US corporations.

I'm not belly aching...just curious

574 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:42:10am

re: #550 suchislife

I would, if I knew what the sniping was about.

575 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:42:20am

re: #570 albusteve

the whole pre-paid credit card thing the FEC never acted on

Well, write them a letter. God forbid we should let any stone go unturned.

576 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:42:46am

re: #560 ggt

Strange question. How many Lizards do you know that have more updings than posts? Other than newbies who get multiple updings as encouragement.

Yes, I am thinking of someone specific, but I don't know how unusual this is?

Err...I'm afraid I fall into that category. They're going to drum me out of the Curmudgeon Society if I keep it up.

577 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:43:00am

re: #564 Naso Tang

Welcome to the world of human fallibility, but the bottom line is still that a summary report on science is not the science, even if includes some parts that are bad science.

No need to question your religion.

578 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:43:41am

re: #574 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I would, if I knew what the sniping was about.

Well, maybe people need to read some of the past comments, and the links provided therein, before they decide to opine on subjects and events they know nothing about.
(not you.)

579 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:44:11am

re: #573 albusteve

I'm not belly aching...just curious

No, I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the President and others who chimed in when he claimed this decision would open the door to foreign corporations participating in the US political arena.

I'm pretty sure that was the portion of his statement that Alito so openly took issue with.

580 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:44:21am

re: #538 Walter L. Newton

Why don't you address some of the information that has been posted over the last few days and this morning about some of the process, procedure and protocol problems that have been unearthed in regards to CRU, IPCC and others instead of just spurting all these worthless aphorism.

Get out of the the wrong side of bed this morning? (Is that an aphorism?)

I see sloppy committees being confused with actual science. I shall try to be more clear, for your benefit, in the future.

581 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:45:13am

re: #563 SixDegrees

I didn't understand the bellyaching over "foreign influence." The SC decision is very narrow, and applies only to US corporations.

I could read up on all the details, but haven't yet. Wasn't this latest SC decision directly related to problems with McCain-Feingold?

582 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:45:26am

re: #569 SixDegrees

Then it behooves the IPCC to stop claiming it derives it's conclusions from the scientific realm.

For some people, it doesn't behoove anyone to do anything. Like I say, when it becomes a religion to some people, their gods can't make mistakes. Gee, I've been around the block long enough to know when I see something that has taken on an air of religion with some people. It's so fucking obvious that you could trip over it.

Some of these folks have nothing over the wacky religious right. In fact they should have a convention, compare notes.

583 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:46:12am

re: #575 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, write them a letter. God forbid we should let any stone go unturned.


I agree, not when it comes to election funding

584 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:46:20am

re: #572 MandyManners

RW Craziness from Senator Susan Collins.

/

585 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:46:39am

re: #580 Naso Tang

Get out of the the wrong side of bed this morning? (Is that an aphorism?)

I see sloppy committees being confused with actual science. I shall try to be more clear, for your benefit, in the future.

Evidently you haven't read the articles, or you are just ignore that we are talking about BAD SCIENCE.

586 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:48:28am

re: #552 SixDegrees

You may be right. I know it started earlier, and turned into outright stalking eventually.

This comment, specifically? Is a complete pile of shit.

587 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:48:32am

Well, I miss Sharmuta anyway.

Where ever you are, sweetie!

[finger]

588 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:50:15am

Tweedledum and Tweedledee.


Youtube Video
589 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:50:17am

re: #587 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I miss Sharmuta anyway.

Where ever you are, sweetie!

[finger]

She's off on a spiritual exploration, according to herself and to others here with whom she's been in contact.

I see that's not stopping some from seizing the opportunity to tell lies though.

590 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:50:29am

re: #577 Walter L. Newton

No need to question your religion.

Religion cannot be questioned. That is why I don't have one. (Is that an aphorism?)

591 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:50:41am

re: #586 iceweasel

This comment, specifically? Is a complete pile of shit.

No it's not. And don't forget, I get the off line emails just like you do. I know what's going on. I'm not oblivious to some of the machinations that go on off line, off this blog. The little party has more guests than you imagine, you just can't see them.

592 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:51:01am

re: #583 albusteve

I agree, not when it comes to election funding

Or Barack Obama being mean to Roberts' court?

593 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:51:12am

re: #591 Walter L. Newton

No it's not. And don't forget, I get the off line emails just like you do. I know what's going on. I'm not oblivious to some of the machinations that go on off line, off this blog. The little party has more guests than you imagine, you just can't see them.

I know all about it, honey. And it's a pile of shit.

594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:51:52am

re: #591 Walter L. Newton

If you email Shar? Tell her I said "Hey!"

595 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:52:07am

re: #591 Walter L. Newton

No it's not. And don't forget, I get the off line emails just like you do. I know what's going on. I'm not oblivious to some of the machinations that go on off line, off this blog. The little party has more guests than you imagine, you just can't see them.

And some of us are not getting the offline e-mail, and would like to be spared, if that's OK with everyone.

596 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:54:40am

re: #595 SanFranciscoZionist

And some of us are not getting the offline e-mail, and would like to be spared, if that's OK with everyone.

I don't share my emails with anyone on here, except when someone has asked me to... like Dustyvet and his sisters death for one example.

597 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:54:50am

re: #594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If you email Shar? Tell her I said "Hey!"

I will.

598 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:54:52am

Choo choo!


Youtube Video
599 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:55:08am

re: #593 iceweasel

I know all about it, honey. And it's a pile of shit.

Yawn.

600 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:55:26am

re: #596 Walter L. Newton

I don't share my emails with anyone on here, except when someone has asked me to... like Dustyvet and his sisters death for one example.

What ever Happened to DustVet?

601 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:55:35am

re: #593 iceweasel

I know all about it, honey. And it's a pile of shit.

Those who know better, know... those who don't... screech.

602 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:57:31am

re: #569 SixDegrees

Then it behooves the IPCC to stop claiming it derives it's conclusions from the scientific realm.

I'm not defending sloppy reporting, simply stating that I make a distinction between that and wrong science. I have read articles about the emails, about glaciers and about the Amazon and more. I have yet to see anything that substantially changes anything about AGW, except for the serial deniers who are not going to produce anything called science on their own.

So far it is exactly the same argument we get about Darwin changing his mind on his deathbed.

603 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:57:39am

re: #600 HoosierHoops

What ever Happened to DustVet?

He's ok. I spoke to him about three months ago. He's settled down after his sisters thing, but he still goes through bouts of depression. As far as his participation on LGF, or should I say lack of it, I don't know why he is not here.

604 Sacred Plants  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:57:58am

Other than taking back to the heartlands
The insight that the planet is more ocean than earth.

605 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:58:29am

re: #595 SanFranciscoZionist

And some of us are not getting the offline e-mail, and would like to be spared, if that's OK with everyone.

Repeated just so it could be dinged again, although, alas, not by me.

606 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:58:54am

re: #601 Walter L. Newton

Those who know better, know... those who don't... screech.

It's generally a bad idea for those not involved in a situation to comment on it.
I'm not getting into the story here, because I see no reason to attack and futher humiliate someone who isn't present. Unlike several of you, who appear to be slavering at the opportunity to get involved, especially if it means a chance to get your iceweasel-hate on.
Anyone interested will find the backstory in the comments. The rest of you trying to stir shit? Piss off.

607 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:58:58am

re: #604 Sacred Plants

Other than taking back to the heartlands
The insight that the planet is more ocean than earth.

Evidently from the content of your comment, you have been indulging in a lot of sacred plants recently?

608 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:59:22am

Wow. Down-dinging Dylan?

Youtube Video
609 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:59:37am

re: #595 SanFranciscoZionist

And some of us are not getting the offline e-mail, and would like to be spared, if that's OK with everyone.

Seriously.

610 jaunte  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:59:55am

re: #607 Walter L. Newton

I think it was a response to Ogden Nash.

611 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:00:04am

re: #606 iceweasel

It's generally a bad idea for those not involved in a situation to comment on it.
I'm not getting into the story here, because I see no reason to attack and futher humiliate someone who isn't present. Unlike several of you, who appear to be slavering at the opportunity to get involved, especially if it means a chance to get your iceweasel-hate on.
Anyone interested will find the backstory in the comments. The rest of you trying to stir shit? Piss off.

Awful lot of rhetoric just to say piss off...

612 suchislife  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:00:06am

Iceweasel, this is unsolicited advice from a total newby, I know. I hope I'm not reopening this, but I don't have another way of telling you, and it is something that has been on my mind. You know how (this came up before) cheaters will accuse their spouses of cheating? One of the things you've most been accused of lately is baiting people, making them angry on purpose. So, if you think this is an unfounded accusation, you should ask yourself where it comes from, and react accordingly, namely, not by becoming angry.
I repeat, unsolicited advice by someone who has no stake in this, so do down-ding if you feel I'm being presumptious!
That said, I really don't know what I would do if I was you. Obviously you have no way of fighting the hostility towards you short of dragging up stuff that does not belong here, and is probably subjective to a certain degree.
Finally, you do realize that I'm adressing this to you, not because it seems to me that you are in the wrong (from what little I have seen), but because I can't see the opposite camp (sad to write that) caring about my opinion if they turned so completely against you to the point of completely disregarding your point of view over this after all the time you spend here.

613 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:00:10am

re: #539 SixDegrees

Sharm disappeared after calling out a couple of trolls, who retaliated very nastily at having their ongoing bad behavior dragged out into the sunlight. In one of the overnight threads, roughly a week ago.

I missed that one, but it doesn't sound like her to let a troll get to her.

614 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:01:10am

re: #498 Walter L. Newton

Here's what Six Degrees was talking about...

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

like i was saying before (sorry for the delayed reply), there's enough data to make me believe in AGW, but these guys have to stop making outcome predictions. "we're affecting the climate, and that's not a positive development" is the story and they should stick to it.

615 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:01:27am

re: #597 Walter L. Newton

I will.

same here. please

616 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:01:59am

re: #612 suchislife

Thanks. Well said and appreciated.

617 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:02:25am

re: #595 SanFranciscoZionist

And some of us are not getting the offline e-mail, and would like to be spared, if that's OK with everyone.

Totally agree. When I see 3-4 people start to get personal with one another, I leave. Life is too short for that bullshit.

There are some lefties here who I really like. We disagree, but that's it. I have two grown boys who do or believe a couple things with which I disagree, but I love them with all my heart. My 27 year-old is pretty far over on the left, but a father and son could not possibly be closer than we are.

618 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:03:48am

re: #615 sattv4u2

same here. please

Yep.

619 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:03:59am

re: #617 rwmofo

Totally agree. When I see 3-4 people start to get personal with one another, I leave. Life is too short for that bullshit.

There are some lefties here who I really like. We disagree, but that's it. I have two grown boys who do or believe a couple things with which I disagree, but I love them with all my heart. My 27 year-old is pretty far over on the left, but a father and son could not possibly be closer than we are.

if my kids were leftbangers I'd disown them...

well, maybe not

620 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:04:14am

re: #487 albusteve

BOWL GATE!


When I first read that I thought you wrote BLOW GATE. Kinda fits.

621 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:04:42am

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

622 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:04:49am

re: #617 rwmofo

You Rock pops

623 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:05:09am

re: #619 albusteve

if my kids were leftbangers I'd disown them...

well, maybe not

They do grow up. I did.

624 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:05:51am

re: #621 MandyManners

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Not after she got done with it!

625 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:06:49am

re: #489 _RememberTonyC

What's it called? I liked See No Evil.

626 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:08:17am

re: #623 MandyManners

They do grow up. I did.

No you didn't...2 years ago you said you could still fit into your cheerleading outfit...I can tell you the exact size.. You haven't grown up or out..
You're just right
*wink*

627 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:08:19am

Talk about naricissism.


Youtube Video
628 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:09:08am

re: #627 MandyManners

I have a Apricot scarf. I think it's pretty.

629 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:09:44am

re: #564 Naso Tang

Welcome to the world of human fallibility, but the bottom line is still that a summary report on science is not the science, even if includes some parts that are bad science.

i believe that some of our consternation is regarding the fact that the summary report is the easiest piece of the puzzle. data errors are understandable, as long as they're limited and don't invalidate the concusions. summary errors are...how did someone else put it...sophomoric.

630 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:10:36am

re: #628 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have a Apricot scarf. I think it's pretty.

You think this song is about you?

631 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:11:13am

Isn't it?

632 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:11:26am

re: #628 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have a Apricot scarf. I think it's pretty.

LOL

633 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:11:51am

re: #554 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I miss Sharmuta. I hope she finds what she is looking for.

I'm glad her disappearance had nothing to do with Wendy Testaburger destroying the Smurf Village.

634 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:12:10am

re: #608 MandyManners
I up-dinged you for it. Great choice.

635 suchislife  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:12:27am

re: #613 Naso Tang

They were not talking about trolls but about Sharmuta's ongoing feud with long time lizards Ice weasel and by extension Jimmah which finally peaked in her accusing Ice weasel of "telling her friends to let her starve when she was in need" which prompted ice weasel to post some of the back story because she wouldn't let that stand, so that it became obvious that none of this constant sniping has anything to do with what happens on this blog or even with right/left politics. I really wish anyone who has a personal problem with ice weasel for things they think she did but of which there is no record would just send her private emails, I'm sure she could handle that very well and I for one would appreciate it greatly. I really doubt any of these insinuations will change anyone's mind.
I just saw that things have moved on, thankfully, and I'll end it with this, but I did want to say this.

636 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:13:47am

re: #627 MandyManners

Another good version:

Youtube Video
637 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:15:44am

OK, I'm wide awake now. Let's turn it up.

Kutless

638 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:16:51am

re: #635 suchislife

I've been telling people from the beginning it's entirely personal and has nothing whatsoever to do with events on here. I refused to discuss it, for months, even to defend myself, because I don't think it's cool to divulge someone's personal confidences-- even when they're lying about me. Even when I know they're emailing people all kinds of crazy shit.

Then the door was opened by the person in question. That's it.

Anyone with a personal issue with me should just email me. None of it belongs here, and none of it ever did belong here. And it's a real turn-off to readers and members, both those registered and those thinking of registering.

639 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:18:18am

re: #638 iceweasel

I've been telling people from the beginning it's entirely personal and has nothing whatsoever to do with events on here. I refused to discuss it, for months, even to defend myself, because I don't think it's cool to divulge someone's personal confidences-- even when they're lying about me. Even when I know they're emailing people all kinds of crazy shit.

Then the door was opened by the person in question. That's it.

Anyone with a personal issue with me should just email me. None of it belongs here, and none of it ever did belong here. And it's a real turn-off to readers and members, both those registered and those thinking of registering.

As you own blog says... "Provocateurs, Paid Agitators..." Nuft' said.

640 SixDegrees  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:19:25am

re: #602 Naso Tang

I'm not talking about AGW, even a little bit. I'm talking about the IPCC. Who, apparently, suck.

641 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:19:28am

re: #639 Walter L. Newton

As you own blog says... "Provocateurs, Paid Agitators..." Nuft' said.

That's a joke, Walter. Don't let the facts get in the way of your shit-stirring though.

642 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:19:41am

ummm...how 'bout them Cavs?

643 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:20:13am

re: #639 Walter L. Newton

As you own blog says... "Provocateurs, Paid Agitators..." Nuft' said.

Walter, if you've got something to add, add it.

644 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:20:49am

re: #641 iceweasel

That's a joke, Walter. Don't let the facts get in the way of your shit-stirring though.

I'm not laughing.

645 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:21:03am

re: #635 suchislife

Thank you, which is not to say I understand except that arguments with those who should be friends are unpleasant. Trolls are fun.

646 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:21:05am

boy, Serena Williams sure played a hell of a match. **shuffles feet nervously**

647 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:21:06am

re: #643 SanFranciscoZionist

Walter, if you've got something to add, add it.

You told me not to?

648 suchislife  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:21:37am

re: #639 Walter L. Newton

lol, well that proves it. But I saw in Ice weasel's profile that some lizards knew she could not be doing such a good job without getting paid even before she explicitly said so.
My first time to use these, in case people don't get it //!

649 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:22:02am

re: #641 iceweasel

That's a joke, Walter. Don't let the facts get in the way of your shit-stirring though.

And you know I like you. We agree on a lot of things. Lighten up, it's humor.

650 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:22:12am

re: #635 suchislife

They were not talking about trolls but about Sharmuta's ongoing feud with long time lizards Ice weasel and by extension Jimmah which finally peaked in her accusing Ice weasel of "telling her friends to let her starve when she was in need" which prompted ice weasel to post some of the back story because she wouldn't let that stand, so that it became obvious that none of this constant sniping has anything to do with what happens on this blog or even with right/left politics. I really wish anyone who has a personal problem with ice weasel for things they think she did but of which there is no record would just send her private emails, I'm sure she could handle that very well and I for one would appreciate it greatly. I really doubt any of these insinuations will change anyone's mind.
I just saw that things have moved on, thankfully, and I'll end it with this, but I did want to say this.

Let's take this off-line ..Go to the Cookbook and Contact Reine..She is the gatekeeper...We'll talk...That goes for anybody else that wanted to pipe in on the board about this issue..Let's keep this off-line...
Thanks Lizards.. And Sunday Morning I'm putting both Sharm and Ice on the Prayer List...Cause that's how the Hoopster Rolls...

651 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:22:19am

re: #640 SixDegrees

I'm not talking about AGW, even a little bit. I'm talking about the IPCC. Who, apparently, suck.

OK. Perhaps I am overly sensitized to seeing strawmen arguments.

652 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:23:15am

So...if you could be any kind of tree, what kind of tree would you be?

(I can't bring up a sports team because I don't follow them.)

653 suchislife  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:23:23am

re: #650 HoosierHoops

Are you specifically adressing me?

654 brookly red  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:24:14am

Is it happy hour yet?

655 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:24:22am

Okay! Have any Lizards checked out the Pioneer Woman site. She is a hell of a good cook and her recipes are so simple. Made her salsa last night and it is to die for! It is not the site you go to if you are in need of really losing weight.

656 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:24:35am

re: #653 suchislife

Are you specifically adressing me?

Hoops is cool and knows the deal.
I don't personally consider reine to be neutral on this issue though.

657 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:24:45am

re: #652 EmmmieG

So...if you could be any kind of tree, what kind of tree would you be?

(I can't bring up a sports team because I don't follow them.)

Weeping willow. If you have to live for 500 years rooted in the same place, at least you can be the sort of tree where pretty girls go to read books...

658 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:25:02am

re: #651 Naso Tang

OK. Perhaps I am overly sensitized to seeing strawmen arguments.

No, it's a way that you try to shut up anyone who has a problem with faulty process, procedure and protocol that some of these scientist have used. It's a way you try to shut up people who are concerned with good science, and want to see the money and politics not effect the outcome of the science. But go on, you're seeing strawman under every rock will not change the facts that are being discussed, you just muddy the conversation.

659 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:25:07am

re: #653 suchislife

Are you specifically adressing me?

Nah..Just the board....You were about the only person making sense so I just jumped on you..
Be well

660 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:25:38am

re: #652 EmmmieG

So...if you could be any kind of tree, what kind of tree would you be?

(I can't bring up a sports team because I don't follow them.)


A big oak tree with a tree house in it.

661 suchislife  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:25:40am

re: #652 EmmmieG

You know, when I thought about that, I immediately started not wondering which tree, but, would I be part of a forest, would I stand alone on a hill, would I stand in a garden. Apparently it's all about the context for me.

662 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:26:02am

re: #659 HoosierHoops

Nah..Just the board...You were about the only person making sense so I just jumped on you..
Be well

So, Hoosier - staying up to watch Federer - Murray or what//

663 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:26:16am

re: #647 Walter L. Newton

You told me not to?

No, I said I didn't want to be dragged into offline interactions between lizards. Best as I can tell, that's still going on. So I assumed that request was being ignored.

664 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:26:41am

I'm starting to feel like Shel Silverstein's Giving Tree, but I would say Cedar Tree, because that's how rooted in the Pacific NW I am.

665 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:26:44am

What was it Perot said about jobs going to Mexico?

666 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:26:54am

re: #660 Cathypop

A big oak tree with a tree house in it.

Ha! Reminds me of the beginning of Elf...elves baking goods in trees = fire hazard...

667 rwmofo  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:27:22am

You guys just had to start this shit, didn't you?

Thanks for peeing in the punchbowl.

I'm gone.

668 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:27:28am

re: #652 EmmmieG

So...if you could be any kind of tree, what kind of tree would you be?

(I can't bring up a sports team because I don't follow them.)

Hmm. Maybe a live oak. Or a eucalyptus. Or an olive tree.

669 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:28:01am

re: #668 SanFranciscoZionist

Hmm. Maybe a live oak. Or a eucalyptus. Or an olive tree.

a dead oak is right out, though//

670 blueherron  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:28:03am

re: #638 iceweasel

I think it has a whole lot to do with events on LGF. The blog (posts and comments) have taken a 160 degree turn from rabidly right to leaning left. You and Jimmy personify the new LGF and the old guard is having a difficult time dealing with it and you (and anyone new members they view as liberal). The old guard also, I think, resents the fact that you are here and participating while their long-time virtual friends have been banned. Many of them hate Ludwig for the same reason.

671 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:28:08am

re: #663 SanFranciscoZionist

No, I said I didn't want to be dragged into offline interactions between lizards. Best as I can tell, that's still going on. So I assumed that request was being ignored.

I'll stop. I really like Iceweasel (and you, and most Lizards) and I have no desire to have this turn into a slam fest. Let's stop talking about anyone that's not here.

672 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:28:11am

re: #658 Walter L. Newton

No, it's a way that you try to shut up anyone who has a problem with faulty process, procedure and protocol that some of these scientist have used. It's a way you try to shut up people who are concerned with good science, and want to see the money and politics not effect the outcome of the science. But go on, you're seeing strawman under every rock will not change the facts that are being discussed, you just muddy the conversation.

Walter, the mud would be at the bottom of the pond if you weren't hell bent on stirring it at any opportunity. I'm cool; you go take a cold shower, please.

673 jaunte  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:28:36am

Good grief.

674 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:29:03am

re: #666 aceofwhat?

Ha! Reminds me of the beginning of Elf...elves baking goods in trees = fire hazard...


Growing up we had a huge oak tree with a tree house in it. My favorite place to go for hours and read.

675 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:29:37am

re: #669 aceofwhat?

a dead oak is right out, though//

Like this one.

676 jaunte  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:30:17am

What with the latest SCOTUS decision, maybe we should be talking about this:

With the President’s budget scheduled for release next week, I’ve grown increasingly interested in how the sausage is made: each agency’s recommendations and justifications, OMB’s clarifications and prioritizations, legislative language, committee actions, implementation reports, and after-the-fact evaluations.

In digging into the issue, I’ve found a mishmash of resources spread throughout the internet (that I’ve compiled here). What has become increasingly apparent is that there is no single place where citizens, journalists, and legislative staff can access information about the budget, and often times the underlying numbers are locked away in PDFs, and budget justifications are available only in obscure locations on government web sites.

Wouldn’t it be great is we could easily compare what was allocated versus what was expended? To see how the numbers changed over time? To find the legislative language, OMB’s short summary of a particular appropriation bill, and the agency’s justification all in one place — right next to a report on how it was actually spent? To be able to translate budget-speak and codes into plain English?


[Link: blog.sunlightfoundation.com...]

677 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:30:58am

re: #670 blueherron

I think it has a whole lot to do with events on LGF. The blog (posts and comments) have taken a 160 degree turn from rabidly right to leaning left. You and Jimmy personify the new LGF and the old guard is having a difficult time dealing with it and you (and anyone new members they view as liberal). The old guard also, I think, resents the fact that you are here and participating while their long-time virtual friends have been banned. Many of them hate Ludwig for the same reason.

I don't think we're anywhere near leaning left. We've just gotten past the days when I got dinged down for admitting to voting for Obama.

(You may be on to something, though.)

678 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:31:01am

re: #674 Cathypop

Growing up we had a huge oak tree with a tree house in it. My favorite place to go for hours and read.

Wouldn't reading a book be more interesting than reading an oak tree!?!?!

//

679 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:31:03am

re: #675 SanFranciscoZionist

Like this one.


My house is surrounded by live oaks.

680 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:31:29am

re: #670 blueherron

I think it has a whole lot to do with events on LGF. The blog (posts and comments) have taken a 160 degree turn from rabidly right to leaning left. You and Jimmy personify the new LGF and the old guard is having a difficult time dealing with it and you (and anyone new members they view as liberal). The old guard also, I think, resents the fact that you are here and participating while their long-time virtual friends have been banned. Many of them hate Ludwig for the same reason.

I think that has a lot to do with it, yeah. Thanks.

In a complete change of subject, I'm checking out this review of Charles Perrault's Complete Fairy Tales.
I love the original fairy tales. So much more bloody and weird than the Disneyfied creations we tend to give kids now.

681 brookly red  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:31:33am

re: #652 EmmmieG

So...if you could be any kind of tree, what kind of tree would you be?

(I can't bring up a sports team because I don't follow them.)

an old favorite...
[Link: snltranscripts.jt.org...]

682 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:31:58am

re: #675 SanFranciscoZionist

Like this one.

you're right...that's a great tree

683 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:32:12am

re: #670 blueherron

You and locker up-dinged this.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

684 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:32:40am

re: #678 sattv4u2

Wouldn't reading a book be more interesting than reading an oak tree!?!?!

//

You have no imagination.

685 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:32:54am

re: #662 aceofwhat?

So, Hoosier - staying up to watch Federer - Murray or what//

I can't believe you haven't read all the stories about why I hate Tennis..
I hate Tennis! I lost my first love in College to a frigging Tennis pro.. I was head over heels about her..And there will never be a woman like her.. I will never be able to watch tennis again until I find out she is in a rehab center in Malibu...Then I'll gladly watch Federer.. And enjoy every second of it

686 Cathypop  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:33:36am

re: #684 EmmmieG

You have no imagination.


I heard a whisper
A feathery rasp of leaves
"Come play." said the tree

687 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:33:40am

Time to face the stupid Maryland drivers trying to drive on 2-3 inches of snow. Try to be nice to each other kids!

688 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:34:21am

re: #685 HoosierHoops

gotcha...

689 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:34:28am

re: #684 EmmmieG

You have no imagination.

I rent one!

690 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:34:48am

re: #683 MandyManners

You and locker up-dinged this.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Planning to get out the torches and pitchforks again?

Weren't you just saying yesterday how you 'hate bullies'? So why bully newer posters?

691 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:35:11am

Speaking of trees, you're all gonna end up like that Rush song if you don't stop bickering so much!

692 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:36:47am

re: #690 iceweasel

Planning to get out the torches and pitchforks again?

Weren't you just saying yesterday how you 'hate bullies'? So why bully newer posters?

So why the anti-Israel stance?

693 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:36:50am

re: #690 iceweasel

Planning to get out the torches and pitchforks again?

Weren't you just saying yesterday how you 'hate bullies'? So why bully newer posters?

Now, now. I'd love to hear the explanation. It was a dipshit post...nothing wrong with not downing it, but i can't imagine why anyone would give it a + and i'd love to hear why.

694 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:37:29am

Fiddler on the Roof is on TCM!

Youtube Video
695 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:38:22am

I watched a TV report the other day that was upset that we had sent "guys with guns" to Haiti. Lots and lots of going on about "guys with guns."

Here's a snippet of a report from today:

There are 20,000 US troops in Haiti or offshore, and American now controls the port and airport. Humvees from the 82nd Airborne Division bump thought [sic] the potholed streets of Port-au-Prince's slums. US soldiers stand guard while Haitian special police question and search for suspects, trying to cope with the crime wave from the jails emptying during the earthquake.

My daughter read a report about what specific types of crimes are prevalent. I wish she didn't have to know about that type of thing.

God bless our guys with guns.

696 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:38:36am

re: #693 aceofwhat?

Now, now. I'd love to hear the explanation. It was a dipshit post...nothing wrong with not downing it, but i can't imagine why anyone would give it a + and i'd love to hear why.

So would I?

697 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:39:54am

re: #693 aceofwhat?

Now, now. I'd love to hear the explanation. It was a dipshit post...nothing wrong with not downing it, but i can't imagine why anyone would give it a + and i'd love to hear why.

The issue has been raised before. Curiously enough, by Mandy herself.
That was the morning after the night she was telling other posters to go google windsagio and WindupBird's nics. You know, to try to dig up info on them and intimidate them into not posting.

blueherron rarely posts, mostly because s/he's been attacked before for so doing. I don't think it's cool.

698 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:40:59am

re: #693 aceofwhat?

Now, now. I'd love to hear the explanation. It was a dipshit post...nothing wrong with not downing it, but i can't imagine why anyone would give it a + and i'd love to hear why.

Good grief..I had to down ding that dudes first post.. First post? He had to take a swipe at Israel...What's the over/under on how many times he posts here till I knock him out? 10?

699 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:41:28am

Gots me GAZE on.

700 blueherron  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:41:48am

re: #677 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think we're anywhere near leaning left. We've just gotten past the days when I got dinged down for admitting to voting for Obama.

(You may be on to something, though.)

On my first comment I gave a little bit of my background and said I'd voted for Obama. Every comment I made after that was downdinged so hard I thought I might be Space Jesus. And Mandy Manners suggested I was a "Fucking Commie Bastard" like my "hero." I'm still being hounded by Miss Manners, but I have more Karma points than Space Jesus; so I'd say LGF is leaning a little "lefter" than it was--maybe 45 degrees.

701 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:42:20am

re: #697 iceweasel

The issue has been raised before. Curiously enough, by Mandy herself.
That was the morning after the night she was telling other posters to go google windsagio and WindupBird's nics. You know, to try to dig up info on them and intimidate them into not posting.

blueherron rarely posts, mostly because s/he's been attacked before for so doing. I don't think it's cool.

That's why you up dinged a blatant anti-Israel remark. What did I miss there in your answer?

702 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:43:00am

re: #701 Walter L. Newton

That's why you up dinged a blatant anti-Israel remark. What did I miss there in your answer?

a reason!?!?!

just sayin!

703 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:44:26am

re: #697 iceweasel

The issue has been raised before. Curiously enough, by Mandy herself.
That was the morning after the night she was telling other posters to go google windsagio and WindupBird's nics. You know, to try to dig up info on them and intimidate them into not posting.

blueherron rarely posts, mostly because s/he's been attacked before for so doing. I don't think it's cool.

some posts deserve our snark, so there's that. and if blueherron has already posted an explanation, then this might be attacking. if blueherron has not, then it's curiosity.

i'm always happy to explain the brilliance that underlies my karmaic maneuvers. This particular vote was difficult to rationalize, so unless the answer is already somewhere, i'd love to hear the rationale.

Let's keep it isolated from other posters and other topics...

704 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:44:46am

re: #701 Walter L. Newton

That's why you up dinged a blatant anti-Israel remark. What did I miss there in your answer?

Planning to claim I'm 'anti-Israel' now? Good luck with that.

705 Racer X  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:45:01am

You're a poo-poo head!

/ Yes, it's getting this childish.

706 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:45:32am

Dibby dum!


Youtube Video
707 suchislife  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:46:14am

re: #680 iceweasel

I've found that Dore is one of those people that once you notice him, he keeps popping up.
One of these days, if we should meet in a dead thread, I'd love to tell you about my completely overthinky and possibly pointless interpretation of "The singing, springing lark" by the brothers Grimm.

708 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:46:25am

re: #700 blueherron

On my first comment I gave a little bit of my background and said I'd voted for Obama. Every comment I made after that was downdinged so hard I thought I might be Space Jesus. And Mandy Manners suggested I was a "Fucking Commie Bastard" like my "hero." I'm still being hounded by Miss Manners, but I have more Karma points than Space Jesus; so I'd say LGF is leaning a little "lefter" than it was--maybe 45 degrees.

fair enough. so why did you like that particular anti-israel post under discussion currently? i didn't bring my pitchfork, so now you can see my hand...

709 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:46:34am

re: #705 Racer X

You're a poo-poo head!

/ Yes, it's getting this childish.

I'm getting my hair dyed Blue Sunday for Superbowl week..How childish is that? I take the cake

710 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:46:37am

re: #704 iceweasel

Planning to claim I'm 'anti-Israel' now? Good luck with that.

The question was why you up dinged that obvious anti-Israel remark. You have not address that question yet. That's all that was asked. Not even clever deflection on your part here... you're much better than that.

711 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:47:05am

re: #710 Walter L. Newton

i thought only Locker and Blueherron updinged it?

712 KansasMom  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:47:36am

Well this sucks:

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

Sorry....my security settings didn't allow the link-posting script to work, I'll figure that out later. After I'm done stewing that I can't download the book I wanted onto my Kindle.

713 blueherron  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:47:39am

re: #697 iceweasel

The issue has been raised before. Curiously enough, by Mandy herself.
That was the morning after the night she was telling other posters to go google windsagio and WindupBird's nics. You know, to try to dig up info on them and intimidate them into not posting.

blueherron rarely posts, mostly because s/he's been attacked before for so doing. I don't think it's cool.

Exactly right. I did it because I got sick of the constant attacks. I don't think I even read the post. Trust me, I'm not anti-Israel; but I am anti-bully.

714 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:48:22am

re: #710 Walter L. Newton

The question was why you up dinged that obvious anti-Israel remark. You have not address that question yet. That's all that was asked. Not even clever deflection on your part here... you're much better than that.

The question was sheer baiting on your part Walter.
There was no need to 'explain why I updinged it', because, duh, I hadn't updinged it.

715 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:48:59am

re: #713 blueherron

Exactly right. I did it because I got sick of the constant attacks. I don't think I even read the post. Trust me, I'm not anti-Israel; but I am anti-bully.

oh. so it was just an off-hand thing out of frustration? in that case, nothing to see here. moving on...

716 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:49:12am

re: #700 blueherron

On my first comment I gave a little bit of my background and said I'd voted for Obama. Every comment I made after that was downdinged so hard I thought I might be Space Jesus. And Mandy Manners suggested I was a "Fucking Commie Bastard" like my "hero." I'm still being hounded by Miss Manners, but I have more Karma points than Space Jesus; so I'd say LGF is leaning a little "lefter" than it was--maybe 45 degrees.

I was told by one poster--can't recall who--that they'd reverse the ding if I was black. I never got a full explanation of why black people were allowed to vote for Obama, but I thought it was a kind offer.

/

717 Achilles Tang  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:49:15am

re: #509 Naso Tang

First it was a sentence or two in some old emails, then a sentence about glaciers, and now a reference questioned (but not the essence of what it claims). All this yakking reminds me of counting "I"s. Pretty soon we will be down to typos.

Before I move on up, let me make it clear to those who think I am referencing anyone here, that I was talking of the MSM reporters, serial AGW deniers and their pretenses when I posted this. Discussing the failings of UN committees is fine by me, if not terribly exciting.

Sorry if I was not clear.

718 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:49:19am

re: #714 iceweasel

The question was sheer baiting on your part Walter.
There was no need to 'explain why I updinged it', because, duh, I hadn't updinged it.

My mistake, sorry. You're right.

719 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:50:21am

re: #716 SanFranciscoZionist

I was told by one poster--can't recall who--that they'd reverse the ding if I was black. I never got a full explanation of why black people were allowed to vote for Obama, but I thought it was a kind offer.

/

Chris Matthews is a poster here? What's his screen name?

720 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:50:40am

re: #713 blueherron

Exactly right. I did it because I got sick of the constant attacks. I don't think I even read the post. Trust me, I'm not anti-Israel; but I am anti-bully.

Exactly. I was planning on updinging it purely because of the bullying, but then I did read it and there was stuff in it I couldn't upding.
If this issue keeps coming up by the usual suspects trying to conduct a jeremiad against Locker or you, I might have to wind up giving it a ding though!

721 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:51:10am

re: #719 aceofwhat?

Chris Matthews is a poster here? What's his screen name?

"TingleyLegs"

722 aceofwhat?  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:54:39am

More evidence that, on balance, PETA is wasting our time...

723 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:54:43am

re: #716 SanFranciscoZionist

I was told by one poster--can't recall who--that they'd reverse the ding if I was black. I never got a full explanation of why black people were allowed to vote for Obama, but I thought it was a kind offer.

/

I dispense updings by the Billions cause you know they are free and one of those crazy Americans that will abuse anything we don't have to pay for..But I suppose..And Charles can check this..Maybe 10 or 20 downdings in 2 years here..When I downding you it's Maxwell's fucking Silver Hammer and if you want to chat about it..I'm right here...But it is so rare..

724 jaunte  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:54:55am

Updinging statements whose content one disagrees with is bound to generate a lot of pointless accusatory/explanatory posts. What a fun game.

725 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:55:01am

re: #714 iceweasel

The question was sheer baiting on your part Walter.
There was no need to 'explain why I updinged it', because, duh, I hadn't updinged it.

What a second, you're just trying to throw me off guard... so... the question is... why DIDN'T you up ding it... ha... got you now :)

726 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:55:48am

re: #721 sattv4u2

"TingleyLegs"

He said Bush had 'sunny nobility'.

He does get rhapsodic about Presidents, doesn't he? In a sort of disturbingly crushed-out sort of way.

727 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:56:01am

re: #725 Walter L. Newton

What a second, you're just trying to throw me off guard... so... the question is... why DIDN'T you up ding it... ha... got you now :)

Surely you meant 'downding'? :)

728 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:58:31am

re: #726 SanFranciscoZionist

He said Bush had 'sunny nobility'.

He does get rhapsodic about Presidents, doesn't he? In a sort of disturbingly crushed-out sort of way.

Sunny Nobility ,,,,, sounds like either
A) a thoroughbred race horse
or
B) a princess turned stripper

729 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 11:59:52am

re: #726 SanFranciscoZionist

He said Bush had 'sunny nobility'.

He does get rhapsodic about Presidents, doesn't he? In a sort of disturbingly crushed-out sort of way.

It's creepy as hell. In 2005 (!) he also said "Everybody likes the president, except for the real wackos...."

I thought Ta-Nehisi Coates had a good take on this in the Atlantic:
I Just Remembered Chris Matthews is White

I think it's worth noting that Chris Matthews wasn't trying to take a shot at anybody. I also think it's worth noting that he was attempting to compliment Obama and say something positive about what he's done for race relations. (See Matthews' clarification here.) But I think it's most worth noting that "I forgot Obama was black"--in all its iterations--is something that white people should stop saying, if only because it's really dishonest.

One way to think about this is to flip the frame. Around these parts, we've been known, from time to time, to chat about the NFL. We've also been known to chat about the intricacies of beer. If you hang around you'll notice that there are no shortage of women in these discussions. Having read a particularly smart take on Brett Favre, or having received a good recommendations on a particular IPA, it would not be a compliment for me to say, "Wow, I forgot you were a woman." Indeed, it would be pretty offensive.

The problems is three-fold. First, it takes my necessarily limited, and necessarily blinkered, experience with the fairer sex and builds it into a shibboleth of invented truth. Then it takes that invented truth as a fair standard by which I can measure one's "woman-ness." So if football and beer don't fit into my standard, I stop seeing the person as a woman. Finally instead of admitting that my invented truth is the problem, I put the onus on the woman. Hence the claim "I forgot you were a woman," as opposed to "I just realized my invented truth was wrong."

More at the link, but imo he nails it.

730 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 12:00:27pm

taking and break but will be lurking,,, gotta set up the early evening feeds

731 Racer X  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 12:04:20pm

Bullying is bad, unless the person being bullied is someone I don't like.

Got it.

732 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 12:05:53pm

re: #730 sattv4u2

taking and break but will be lurking,,, gotta set up the early evening feeds

We have had issues with DNS with Brazil.. The Domain server is here..But the Tables appear corrupt and won't load Balance with the secondary Server..
Probably reboot..Do you wonder why MS is so friggen hated by IT?

733 Buck  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 12:19:14pm

re: #530 albusteve

the security costs would be picked up by the feds...in other words by you

The costs would include unrentable property and other costs that would not be federal.

734 ryannon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 12:33:59pm

re: #652 EmmmieG

So...if you could be any kind of tree, what kind of tree would you be?

(I can't bring up a sports team because I don't follow them.)

A shoe tree.

735 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:41:13pm

re: #591 Walter L. Newton

No it's not. And don't forget, I get the off line emails just like you do. I know what's going on. I'm not oblivious to some of the machinations that go on off line, off this blog. The little party has more guests than you imagine, you just can't see them.

Oh we have known for some time that there is a cowardly whispering campaign being organised by the newly ascended Saint Sharmuta. Congrats for confirming it.

You know what's shitty about a whispering campaign? You can't respond to the lies that are being circulated because you don't even know exactly what they are. If she has something to say, she should say it here where it can be seen and responded to, instead of this disgusting, gutless behaviour that she is perpetrating by email. But she will not do that because she knows how easily we can debunk her bullshit and expose what really went down if it is brought out into the open, as happened the last time:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

If you are concerned about Sharmuta and her reputation here my advice to you is to stop picking at this, because anytime you do, the truth will be told, and the truth about what she did here ain't pretty.

Like I said at the time, I wish none of this had been brought up here in the first place; this sort of thing is NOT what LGF is for, but if it is brought up, make no mistake - ice and I will set the record straight.

736 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:53:35pm

re: #635 suchislife

They were not talking about trolls but about Sharmuta's ongoing feud with long time lizards Ice weasel and by extension Jimmah which finally peaked in her accusing Ice weasel of "telling her friends to let her starve when she was in need" which prompted ice weasel to post some of the back story because she wouldn't let that stand, so that it became obvious that none of this constant sniping has anything to do with what happens on this blog or even with right/left politics. I really wish anyone who has a personal problem with ice weasel for things they think she did but of which there is no record would just send her private emails, I'm sure she could handle that very well and I for one would appreciate it greatly. I really doubt any of these insinuations will change anyone's mind.
I just saw that things have moved on, thankfully, and I'll end it with this, but I did want to say this.

Absolutely, suchislife. As iceweasel said at the time, this has been going on for months, and has been brought onto LGF by Sharmuta who has at every turn refused to deal with the issue offline:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

737 suchislife  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:02:32pm

re: #735 Jimmah

Hi Jimmah, I've been thinking about this a bit more, and I've reread this thread and some others, and I've come to realize that whereas for me and most of the other lizards here, it's easy to say just keep it of the blog, all the while people you personally know and who know you accuse your wife of all sorts of things judging from the amount of anger people that are so very reasonable and amiable otherwise as say reine de tout seem to bear her.
And while I know nothing about what happend offline, I can extrapolate from the veracity of the criticism leveled against you two for your conduct on this blog.
Also, I've come to realize that the constant baseless accusations of a vast icewing conspiracy to bait and downding people out of existence has actually scared me away from taking a stand a couple of times. I mean, seriously, you two liked each others comments on a blog so much you actually got married, ice weasel who you like so much you married her has been targeted for months, and now people say it's a conspiracy that you upding and downding the same comments a lot of the time? Seems to me the only proper response to that is "Get a room!" Which you did, permanently.

738 Aye Pod  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:20:57pm

re: #737 suchislife


I mean, seriously, you two liked each others comments on a blog so much you actually got married, ice weasel who you like so much you married her has been targeted for months, and now people say it's a conspiracy that you upding and downding the same comments a lot of the time? Seems to me the only proper response to that is "Get a room!" Which you did, permanently.

Thanks, suchislife. I've been trying to articulate that point myself for a while now. I also can't help feeling about this that a few people who are unhappy in their offline life are pissed off with us because we found happiness with each other here. I'll leave the last word on that to ice:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

739 Sloppy  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 5:07:52pm

I'd like to post a half-aphorism but can't think of one. Good night, all.

740 The Left  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 9:50:05pm

re: #731 Racer X

Bullying is bad, unless the person being bullied is someone I don't like.

Got it.

Here's what you appear to 'get', Racer X, along with some of your fellow fucknuts here:

Mandy bullying new posters is great! It's funny when she tells people to google new posters' usernics, or reposts their comments and tells them to downding them even more!
Iceweasel calling her out on it? Oh that's BAD! That's the 'real' bullying!

Posters talking shit about iceweasel, spreading lies about her, and commenting about her when she's not present? Oh that's GREAT!
Iceweasel complaining about it? Oh no, that's BAD.

I hope you enjoy your trip to Oceania. It's clear you've been working on your doublethink and your doublespeak-- you and some other sanctimonious, hypocritical, double standard employing fucknuts here.

741 Sacred Plants  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 3:53:17am

re: #607 Walter L. Newton

Evidently from the content of your comment, you have been indulging in a lot of sacred plants recently?

Referring to me, or to Ogden Nash?

742 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 4:12:49pm

re: #649 Walter L. Newton

And you know I like you. We agree on a lot of things. Lighten up, it's humor.

Walter, I'm coming to this extremely late, but let me just add for the record that I know both you and Ice, and like you both very much. [Alert! One of you must now disown me so as not to have any exploding head situation. Work it out between the two of you.]

Everything Ice says in this unfortunate affaire du blog is to the best of my personal knowledge true. Let's just say, meeting someone only on the Web and then bringing them into your real virtual (to include email, but also phone calls, chats, sharing pictures, etc.) can work out, or it can go wrong, just like in meatspace.

When it spills back into blogspace, no one but the off-web people really know what happened.

And that's the way I think people should leave it. What happens off-blog should stay off blog.

Good night, and good luck, to one and all.


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