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1 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:26:11pm

Progress! Advancement! Huzzah!

2 brookly red  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:26:45pm

In the name of Google, I cast thee out!

3 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:34:09pm

re: #2 brookly red

In the name of Google, I cast thee out!

Pig.

4 freetoken  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:34:19pm

Finally... perhaps the institutionalization of IE will start to loosen its grip on the viewing public.

Ghosts ought to be allowed to rest in peace.

5 avanti  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:36:33pm

If the trend continues, the only surfers using IE, instead of a real browser like Firefox will be the AOL types. I must have 10 add-on's with Firefox for everything from ebay helpers to image enlargement by right clicking.

6 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:36:59pm

re: #3 MandyManners

Pig.

Thanks, I thought of that too, but didn't have the energy to look it up.

Off for a few minutes to put hearts and pink crepe paper in the window (I got the Christmas lights out of the window yesterday.)

7 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:37:33pm

Chow time! Laterz!
:)

8 brookly red  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:38:55pm

re: #5 avanti

If the trend continues, the only surfers using IE, instead of a real browser like Firefox will be the AOL types. I must have 10 add-on's with Firefox for everything from ebay helpers to image enlargement by right clicking.

and you use the image enlargement device often?

9 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:39:25pm

re: #6 wrenchwench

Thanks, I thought of that too, but didn't have the energy to look it up.

Off for a few minutes to put hearts and pink crepe paper in the window (I got the Christmas lights out of the window yesterday.)

I'm gonna' hit the next person I hear say "Valentime's Day".

10 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:39:39pm

re: #8 brookly red

and you use the image enlargement device often?

In bed.

11 avanti  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:40:17pm

re: #8 brookly red

and you use the image enlargement device often?

Yes, and not just for the reason you are thinking. I use it shopping for Studebakers.

12 brookly red  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:40:57pm

re: #11 avanti

Yes, and not just for the reason you are thinking. I use it shopping for Studebakers.

last I recall those were fairly large...

13 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:41:25pm

re: #12 brookly red

last I recall those were fairly large...

In bed.

14 Summer Seale  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:41:29pm

re: #2 brookly red

In the name of Google, I cast thee out!

Aymen! Hallellujah! o/

I read this earlier today on BBC and I was so happy. I can't even understand why people don't upgrade their browsers, even once every couple of years!

15 freetoken  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:41:44pm

re: #5 avanti

Apparently Chrome is coming on fast. I suspect in 12 months that the more standards compliant browser list, as far as popularity, will be in this order: Chrome, Firefox, Safari ... if one doesn't count mobile devices (Mobile Safari of course has many iPhone users.)

16 avanti  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:42:55pm

re: #12 brookly red

last I recall those were fairly large...

One of the reasons I can resell Studebaker bought on ebay, back on ebay, is that I host my own bigger pictures. It's all about curb appeal.

17 Summer Seale  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:43:20pm

re: #15 freetoken

Apparently Chrome is coming on fast. I suspect in 12 months that the more standards compliant browser list, as far as popularity, will be in this order: Chrome, Firefox, Safari ... if one doesn't count mobile devices (Mobile Safari of course has many iPhone users.)

I've been using Chrome since day one, literally, and it rocks. Though Firefox is always second on my list and indispensable for many things. =)

18 brookly red  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:44:24pm

re: #17 Summer

I've been using Chrome since day one, literally, and it rocks. Though Firefox is always second on my list and indispensable for many things. =)

I am still waiting for Chrome to ask me if I enjoyed my eggs...

19 brookly red  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:45:29pm

re: #16 avanti

One of the reasons I can resell Studebaker bought on ebay, back on ebay, is that I host my own bigger pictures. It's all about curb appeal.

nothing personal but I would not buy a used car from you...

20 Soap_Man  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:45:44pm

re: #17 Summer

I've been using Chrome since day one, literally, and it rocks. Though Firefox is always second on my list and indispensable for many things. =)

I'm glad you guys brought this up. I just started using Chrome today and can't tell the difference between it and Firebox (besides the look of course.)

Any tech savvy Lizards want to enlighten me?

21 freetoken  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:46:09pm

re: #17 Summer

Chrome for the Mac is still a bit unfinished. Whenever Google gets it to a more finished stage I might use it more.

I've tried using Firefox and, while certainly functional, it carries over a bit of the kitchen-sink mentality that tends to clutter up programs, I think. For now I'm sticking with Safari (it's fast) though the memory leak is a pain.

22 avanti  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:46:22pm

re: #15 freetoken

Apparently Chrome is coming on fast. I suspect in 12 months that the more standards compliant browser list, as far as popularity, will be in this order: Chrome, Firefox, Safari ... if one doesn't count mobile devices (Mobile Safari of course has many iPhone users.)

Chrome is OK, but it you like the add-on's, Firefox is the only choice. Just browse the choices:

link...

23 brookly red  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:47:44pm

re: #19 brookly red

nothing personal but I would not buy a used car from you...

Mandy don't even think about it...

24 avanti  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:48:18pm

re: #19 brookly red

nothing personal but I would not buy a used car from you...

Not a problem, most Studebaker buyers don't care about the sellers politics. I've sold a few 100 without one negative feedback,

25 Summer Seale  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:49:06pm

re: #20 Soap_Man

I'm glad you guys brought this up. I just started using Chrome today and can't tell the difference between it and Firebox (besides the look of course.)

Any tech savvy Lizards want to enlighten me?

Actually, from what I've heard, FF uses a new chrome-based system in part, so I'm no longer sure about the differences. It used to be that if one tab crashed in Chrome, all the other tabs and the rest of your browser was fine (along with many more security things btw).

26 brookly red  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:49:47pm

re: #24 avanti

Not a problem, most Studebaker buyers don't care about the sellers politics. I've sold a few 100 without one negative feedback,

a few hundred working Studebakers? that's impressive.

27 Soap_Man  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:50:31pm

re: #25 Summer

Actually, from what I've heard, FF uses a new chrome-based system in part, so I'm no longer sure about the differences. It used to be that if one tab crashed in Chrome, all the other tabs and the rest of your browser was fine (along with many more security things btw).

Oh, the tabs thing is helpful. Firefox locks up for me a lot because of one site (LGF has been the culprit a few times) and it sucks having to shut the whole program down.

28 avanti  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:50:56pm

re: #20 Soap_Man

I'm glad you guys brought this up. I just started using Chrome today and can't tell the difference between it and Firebox (besides the look of course.)

Any tech savvy Lizards want to enlighten me?

Chrome is a bit faster, and not as much of a memory hog. Firefox 3.6 is a improvement, 15% faster and more compact.

29 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:51:01pm

What's a tab?

30 brookly red  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:51:26pm

re: #29 MandyManners

What's a tab?

I'll pay you later...

31 ryannon  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:53:01pm

re: #29 MandyManners

What's a tab?

Watch out for the brown ones.

32 avanti  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:53:03pm

re: #26 brookly red

a few hundred working Studebakers? that's impressive.

I'm guessing around 100,000 registered and on the road in the club, from 1852-1966 including the Budwiser beer wagons.

33 freetoken  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:54:53pm

re: #20 Soap_Man

Chrome is based on Webkit, which is the html rendering engine developed by Apple and put in the public domain. What that means, hopefully, is that with Google putting its weight behind this consortium of standards-minded developing efforts then Microsoft's heritage of IE quirkiness will look even more pathetic over time. And, hopefully, we will see more and more website developers come to accept that they can develop websites for the modern age (CSS 3, HTML 5, etc.) and won't be held back.

As with the downstair's subject (Adobe Flash), that Google is putting its weight behind more "open" software should hasten the demise of older proprietary web technologies.

34 brookly red  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:55:05pm

re: #32 avanti

I'm guessing around 100,000 registered and on the road in the club, from 1852-1966 including the Budwiser beer wagons.

no cafe standards huh?

35 webevintage  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:58:23pm

re: #5 avanti

If the trend continues, the only surfers using IE, instead of a real browser like Firefox will be the AOL types. I must have 10 add-on's with Firefox for everything from ebay helpers to image enlargement by right clicking.

I don't use many add-ons, but cool preview is one that makes me very happy.

Chrome and I seem to have issues....

36 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:00:07pm

Israeli agents who accompanied National Infrastructures Minister Uzi Landau to the UAE two weeks ago may have assassinated Hamas operative Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, senior Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar said Saturday.

Speaking to Al Jazeera, Zahar added that the agents possibly entered the country with forged documents. According to Israel Radio, he said that had “broken the rules of the game” by carrying out the attack outside the Palestinian territories or the Green Line. If wishes to transfer the conflict to the international arena, there will be repercussions, Zahar was quoted by the radio station as saying.

The spokesman added that Hamas was now considering different courses of retaliatory action, among them the possibility of an attack against Israeli targets abroad. He stressed that the organization was fully capable of carrying out such attacks, but had so far not chosen to do so.

SNIP

37 MandyManners  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:03:11pm

re: #36 MandyManners

According to a New York Times report The United States will place defensive missiles in the Persian Gulf for protection in the event of an Iranian attack, in part to protect , Army Radio reported Saturday night.

US naval vessels will also be placed near the Iranian coast.

American officials apparently told the Times that the move was accelerated for fears of an Iranian response to the West’s intent to impose additional sanctions.

SNIP

39 webevintage  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:06:05pm

Speaking of computery things I might have a bit of money left over from a nice sale and am thinking of buying a Acer Netbook or a Kindle.

I read, a lot...a whole lot and love the idea of downloading a book instead of waiting for it to come in the mail or remembering to go to the library which is always out of my way.
But my eyes are not what they used to be (and my new flat screen monitor is rough on the eyes as it is) and I'm worried about reading on the netbook.

BUT I also would like to be able to browse online, check email and maybe do a bit of text based work sitting on the sofa in front of the TV instead of sitting at my desk.
I really don't want a laptop and will have about $300ish to spend.

Thoughts or recommendations?

40 freetoken  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:08:26pm

re: #39 webevintage

You could wait until the iPad (*cough*) gets on the market and play with it, to see if you like it. One thing that I would appreciate is that the books application (that reads ebooks, as will be purchased via iBooks or some other source) can change the book font. As in making it bigger... which my poor eyes would certainly appreciate.

41 webevintage  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:10:28pm

re: #40 freetoken

You could wait until the iPad (*cough*) gets on the market and play with it, to see if you like it.

I thought about that, but I think it is out of my price range and thought I read that there maybe a charge for using the internet instead of just connecting to the wifi we already pay for.
I could be wrong....

42 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:10:44pm

re: #40 freetoken

You could wait until the iPad (*cough*) gets on the market and play with it, to see if you like it. One thing that I would appreciate is that the books application (that reads ebooks, as will be purchased via iBooks or some other source) can change the book font. As in making it bigger... which my poor eyes would certainly appreciate.

I believe you can make the text larger or smaller by using pinch gestures on the touchscreen, similar to the iPhone.

43 freetoken  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:15:27pm

re: #42 Charles

Yes, that's been shown in videos.

re: #41 webevintage

Supposedly the iPad syncs with iTunes (Mac or PC) so if you download an ebook and iTunes knows about it then iPad just transfers the ebook over.

There is a USB "dock" that the iPad can use, but I'm not clear yet that if that is truly needed or if one can use WiFi ("Airport" on the Mac) only.

44 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:17:19pm

re: #42 Charles

I believe you can make the text larger or smaller by using pinch gestures on the touchscreen, similar to the iPhone.

Boy a lot of pundits are saying the iPad is an oversized iPhone...
I don't see it displacing a laptop at. I don't see this even touching the Laptop/Netbook market...What do you think Charles?

45 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:17:58pm

re: #42 Charles

Of course the videos we see here are embedded or just linked, but I'm curious as to the impact if any the flash/qt/shockwave/real wars has on LGF. Does this impact your coding? I say this as I'm choosing codecs and formats for video publication soon.

46 freetoken  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:25:06pm

re: #44 HoosierHoops

Well, I'm not Charles... but I'll jump in.

To me it is clear that the iPad is intended to be a content consumption device, an "appliance", and not primarily a content creation device.

While productivity tools are planned (e.g., iWork) it seems that they are intended to supplement one's work effort while traveling.

The largest target audience appears to be the non-tech crowd that has disposable income. These are people for whom computers are scary. Really, even in this day and age, there are many people who need a truly turn-key system, who will never want to worry about "operating systems", "rebooting", etc. For them, all they need/want is something to look at and a few (soft) buttons to push.

A large chunk of the geek crowd likes to sneer at Apple for their "appliance" approach to these gadgets, but IMO Apple knows quite well what it is doing - witnessed by their phenomenal growth.

47 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:30:46pm

re: #46 freetoken

Well, I'm not Charles... but I'll jump in.

To me it is clear that the iPad is intended to be a content consumption device, an "appliance", and not primarily a content creation device.

While productivity tools are planned (e.g., iWork) it seems that they are intended to supplement one's work effort while traveling.

The largest target audience appears to be the non-tech crowd that has disposable income. These are people for whom computers are scary. Really, even in this day and age, there are many people who need a truly turn-key system, who will never want to worry about "operating systems", "rebooting", etc. For them, all they need/want is something to look at and a few (soft) buttons to push.

A large chunk of the geek crowd likes to sneer at Apple for their "appliance" approach to these gadgets, but IMO Apple knows quite well what it is doing - witnessed by their phenomenal growth.

The problem is that everybody loves their laptops..I don't see a big market share by Apple with iPads..I just don't.

48 webevintage  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:40:09pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

The problem is that everybody loves their laptops..I don't see a big market share by Apple with iPads..I just don't.

I think I should be the consumer for them but
A. price
B. I really hesitate buying Ipad #1 since you know there will be issues
and like I said I know Kindle does not need my wifi and a netbook will use my existing wifi.

49 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 3:47:10pm

re: #48 webevintage

I think I should be the consumer for them but
A. price
B. I really hesitate buying Ipad #1 since you know there will be issues
and like I said I know Kindle does not need my wifi and a netbook will use my existing wifi.

I'm not getting that warm and fuzzy feeling that the iPad is any threat to a Laptop

50 freetoken  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 4:23:50pm

re: #47 HoosierHoops

The problem is that everybody loves their laptops..I don't see a big market share by Apple with iPads..I just don't.

But that is the point. The iPad is not targeted at the laptop "market". If it were then it would have duplicated all the functions of a laptop.

Apple clearly believes there is a worldwide market for an electronic appliance for surfing the web, watching videos, and reading books and email. That appliance they name "iPad" (hate the name, btw.)

51 albusteve  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 7:41:22pm

re: #50 freetoken

But that is the point. The iPad is not targeted at the laptop "market". If it were then it would have duplicated all the functions of a laptop.

Apple clearly believes there is a worldwide market for an electronic appliance for surfing the web, watching videos, and reading books and email. That appliance they name "iPad" (hate the name, btw.)

it will be huge...complete mobile entertainment

52 DaddyRabbit  Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:11:57pm

Need to exorcise IE 7 & 8, too.


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