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1 webevintage  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:06:27pm

So it was not full of “DUDE,when will you legalize the weed” questions?
Off to watch.

I have to say that whenever I see the President in a Q&A session I’m even more impressed with the breadth & depth of his knowledge on an issue.

2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:06:51pm

Okay. I’ll watch. But, out of time tonight.

3 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:10:35pm

Response to the last thread:

So bloggers! Get your applications in soon, so you too can share the convention with creationists, militias, and the good ol’ John Birch Society! Sounds like a party, doesn’t it?

Yes, it does. A good ol’ Merkin third party.

There is a guy on here who constantly promotes the modern Whig party. Thing is, historically the Whigs were a major party, not a bunch of third-place also-rans.

The accurate historical name for the teabaggers would be “Know Nothings”.

An awful lot of our fellow enfranchised citizens are quite overweeningly proud of knowing dick about squat about fuck-all.

They could probably increase their following by a factor of ten if they would just adopt that name.

4 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:11:13pm

So apparently the President bowed to the Mayor of Tampa last week.

I think I’d like to meet him now, just to see if, well, you know.

5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:12:23pm

re: #4 rwmofo

Probably not…

6 simoom  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:12:41pm

Thanks, I just started watching.

I noticed another 75,000 White House visits where added to the searchable vistor records at whitehouse.gov:
whitehouse.gov

It would be enormously amusing to see what sort of queries folks are running on it. The next outrage over a mistaken name match is long overdue :P.

7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:13:57pm

re: #6 simoom

If some guy named Fat Bastard Vegetarian signed in? It wasn’t me. Ain’t been NEAR there…

8 jamesfirecat  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:14:36pm

re: #1 webevintage

So it was not full of “DUDE,when will you legalize the weed” questions?
Off to watch.

I have to say that whenever I see the President in a Q&A session I’m even more impressed with the breadth & depth of his knowledge on an issue.

Maybe it’s because no one can think he’s using a teleprompter when he does this?

9 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:14:47pm

re: #7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If some guy named Fat Bastard Vegetarian signed in? It wasn’t me. Ain’t been NEAR there…


Hmmmm, crash a couple of parties, have you???
:)

10 generalsparky  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:15:17pm

re: #4 rwmofo

So apparently the President bowed to the Mayor of Tampa last week.

I think I’d like to meet him now, just to see if, well, you know.

That seriously made me LOL!

11 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:15:36pm

re: #4 rwmofo

So apparently the President bowed to the Mayor of Tampa last week.

I think I’d like to meet him now, just to see if, well, you know.

You know, you can argue about the Emperor of Japan. But there is nothing improper about Obama bowing to an American lady whom he meets socially.

I don’t think he’s actually bowing, though.

12 jamesfirecat  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:16:22pm

re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, you can argue about the Emperor of Japan. But there is nothing improper about Obama bowing to an American lady whom he meets socially.

I don’t think he’s actually bowing, though.

He thinks his shoes are untied BA-BAM!

13 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:16:55pm

re: #4 rwmofo

So apparently the President bowed to the Mayor of Tampa last week.

I think I’d like to meet him now, just to see if, well, you know.

I was just thinking, “Hey, we haven’t had a silly Bowgate incident lately, have we?”

14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:17:04pm

I will admit… I dislike the President sooo much less than I did before he was elected. Tomorrow? I’ll watch…

G’night knuckleheads…

15 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:17:28pm

re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, you can argue about the Emperor of Japan. But there is nothing improper about Obama bowing to an American lady whom he meets socially.

I don’t think he’s actually bowing, though.

Sigh, If I’m ever Pres., with my height, it’d look like I’m bowing to everyone I shake hands with…
The wingnuts would have a field day!
:)

16 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:17:30pm

re: #12 jamesfirecat

He thinks his shoes are untied BA-BAM!

Unbelievable he would stoop to that level. The US president does NOT tie his own shoelaces.

17 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:18:58pm

There’s no telling where the next interview will surface, but what seems clear is that the President is convinced of one thing: if he could only explain his way to us more succinctly, if we could only understand…. we would surely quit obstructing. He’s going to have to reframe his message, again…. not change it.
His plans and ideas are not being rejected, as reflected in the polls and recent elections, because that’s just …… not possible. There must be something lacking in the way they are being communicated. So he’ll keep trying, until we get it.
No sarc marks.

18 jamesfirecat  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:19:48pm

re: #17 tradewind

There’s no telling where the next interview will surface, but what seems clear is that the President is convinced of one thing: if he could only explain his way to us more succinctly, if we could only understand… we would surely quit obstructing. He’s going to have to reframe his message, again… not change it.
His plans and ideas are not being rejected, as reflected in the polls and recent elections, because that’s just … not possible. There must be something lacking in the way they are being communicated. So he’ll keep trying, until we get it.
No sarc marks.

Given how confused the American people about certain issues maybe that’s not such a bad thing.

19 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:20:21pm

re: #15 Varek Raith

Sigh, If I’m ever Pres., with my height, it’d look like I’m bowing to everyone I shake hands with…
The wingnuts would have a field day!
:)

And you’re actually shorter than me. I’m 6’4” and I often lower my head, simply to be able to look shorter people in the eyes. I think the “Tampa Bow” is a nontroversy.

20 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:20:26pm

re: #13 Charles

I was just thinking, “Hey, we haven’t had a silly Bowgate incident lately, have we?”

Sometimes people get a little too serious around here, but you can usually count on me for a little harmless jocularity.

Heh.

21 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:20:37pm

re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist
Maybe not improper, and IMO, certainly not worth a news mention.
But a little funky, you gotta admit.//

22 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:21:36pm

re: #18 jamesfirecat
Cheese n rice.

23 jamesfirecat  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:22:24pm

re: #22 tradewind

Cheese n rice.

That’s an expression I’ve never heard before, does it mean “apples and oranges”?

24 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:22:26pm

re: #20 rwmofo

Sometimes people get a little too serious around here, but you can usually count on me for a little harmless jocularity.

Heh.

Hey rwmofo - come here and pull my finger

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:22:55pm

re: #21 tradewind

Maybe not improper, and IMO, certainly not worth a news mention.
But a little funky, you gotta admit.//

I have fewer issues with the mayor of Tampa than with Hirohito’s son, and that’s all I’m gonna say on the matter.

26 generalsparky  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:25:07pm

re: #24 cliffster

Hey rwmofo - come here and pull my finger

I am a lonely female in a house of 4 males. I find myself amused at the oddest/grossest things.

27 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:25:46pm

re: #24 cliffster

Hey rwmofo - come here and pull my finger

Heh. We owe that to our children don’t we?

28 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:26:41pm

why does BO bow all the time?…it’s weird…maybe I don’t understand the coolness of it

29 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:27:12pm
30 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:27:18pm

re: #27 rwmofo

It’s in serious danger of extinction. That’d be a travesty.

31 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:27:19pm

re: #23 jamesfirecat
Never mind. It’s just another way of expressing exasperation, and not a very good one. Disregard.
You may write the word ’ confused’, but you appear to really mean ’ flat-assed wrong ‘. No need to sugarcoat.

32 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:28:01pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

And you’re actually shorter than me. I’m 6’4” and I often lower my head, simply to be able to look shorter people in the eyes. I think the “Tampa Bow” is a nontroversy.

Do you have a car?

33 jamesfirecat  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:28:31pm

re: #31 tradewind

Never mind. It’s just another way of expressing exasperation, and not a very good one. Disregard.
You may write the word ’ confused’, but you appear to really mean ’ flat-assed wrong ‘. No need to sugarcoat.

I used confused because I’m trying to be charitable to the American people, doubly so when they have misinformation being directed at them from both the left and the right….

34 webevintage  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:30:49pm

re: #28 albusteve

why does BO bow all the time?…it’s weird…maybe I don’t understand the coolness of it

It is not bowing. It is a tall man leaning down to hear what people are saying to him, it is called being gracious and having good manners.
I don’t get why people have a problem with that….

My husband does it all the time. As he is shaking hands he bends in or leans down to hear what others say because he is so tall.

35 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:31:49pm

re: #32 Varek Raith

Do you have a car?

No. Like Mandy’s Kid I have ADHD. It was almost impossible for me to focus well enough to safely drive a car when I was younger, so I stopped taking Driver Ed before I finished. Thus I’ve never had a Driver’s License.

36 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:32:27pm

re: #11 SanFranciscoZionist

You know, you can argue about the Emperor of Japan. But there is nothing improper about Obama bowing to an American lady whom he meets socially.

I don’t think he’s actually bowing, though.

Nope. Not a bow. Check out the video here.

Youtube Video

37 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:32:46pm

re: #29 MandyManners
Somehow I think they’re feeling a little let down.//
At least, I hope they are.

38 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:33:12pm

Lawmakers in 34 states now have filed or proposed amendments to their state constitutions or statutes rejecting health insurance mandates, according to the American Legislative Exchange Council,

no small thing

foxnews.com


from the AP

39 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:33:14pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

Get out. I don’t have one either. I tried to drive twice, crashed both times— bad— and decided to stop before I killed anyone.

40 Stanley Sea  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:33:28pm

re: #34 webevintage

It is not bowing. It is a tall man leaning down to hear what people are saying to him, it is called being gracious and having good manners.
I don’t get why people have a problem with that…

My husband does it all the time. As he is shaking hands he bends in or leans down to hear what others say because he is so tall.

Fricken mystery is solved. Thank you web!

41 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:33:33pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

No. Like Mandy’s Kid I have ADHD. It was almost impossible for me to focus well enough to safely drive a car when I was younger, so I stopped taking Driver Ed before I finished. Thus I’ve never had a Driver’s License.

I don’t have a license, either. I always felt way too awkward driving that I thought I was a hazard on the road. Bus and a bicycle do just fine for me.
:)

42 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:33:51pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

No. Like Mandy’s Kid I have ADHD. It was almost impossible for me to focus well enough to safely drive a car when I was younger, so I stopped taking Driver Ed before I finished. Thus I’ve never had a Driver’s License.

Really? Shit, the things you learn about people. You can pull that off in the windy city though.

43 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:34:06pm

re: #34 webevintage

It is not bowing. It is a tall man leaning down to hear what people are saying to him, it is called being gracious and having good manners.
I don’t get why people have a problem with that…

My husband does it all the time. As he is shaking hands he bends in or leans down to hear what others say because he is so tall.

no, it’s bowing…nice try tho with the husband thing

44 jaunte  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:34:44pm

re: #34 webevintage

I don’t know; he has a good sense of humor, I think he’s just messing with people.

45 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:35:11pm

re: #43 albusteve

no, it’s bowing…nice try tho with the husband thing

Watch the video.

Youtube Video

That. Was. Not. A. Bow.

46 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:35:16pm

re: #36 Gus 802

Nice one, Gus. Another ballooning nontroversy punctured.

47 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:35:52pm

re: #45 Gus 802

Watch the video.


[Video]That. Was. Not. A. Bow.

Bow Wow…IMPEACH HIM!

48 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:35:55pm

re: #46 Obdicut

Nice one, Gus. Another ballooning nontroversy punctured.

I was trying to put a word to what he was doing. Is that like shucking or something?

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:35:59pm

re: #43 albusteve

no, it’s bowing…nice try tho with the husband thing

Sure. Obama the narcissist also obsessively bows to people he meets. We’ll go with that.

50 jaunte  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:35:59pm

Head-fake bow?

51 generalsparky  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:36:03pm

re: #35 Dark_Falcon

No. Like Mandy’s Kid I have ADHD. It was almost impossible for me to focus well enough to safely drive a car when I was younger, so I stopped taking Driver Ed before I finished. Thus I’ve never had a Driver’s License.

That’s very interesting! Both my husband and I have been diagnosed with ADD. We do drive but as little as possible. However, I would not advise two ADD getting married though ;-)

52 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:36:28pm

re: #42 cliffster

Really? Shit, the things you learn about people. You can pull that off in the windy city though.

True. I actually made sure that my home was near the bus lines. My work is also on a bus line. It does mean I tend to eat at the same places for lunch over and over when I’m at work. Still, it does work and it’s better than doing something I’m not really comfortable with.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:36:34pm

re: #48 Gus 802

I was trying to put a word to what he was doing. Is that like shucking or something?

It’s sort of a dip. I’m not sure there’s a real word for it.

54 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:37:23pm

re: #48 Gus 802

Heh. Call it shucklen. Polite shucklen.

55 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:37:44pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s sort of a dip. I’m not sure there’s a real word for it.

Yeah. That would be another word for it. Looks like they caught the photo right at the bottom of the dip which makes him look like he’s bowing.

56 blueraven  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:37:45pm

re: #17 tradewind

There’s no telling where the next interview will surface, but what seems clear is that the President is convinced of one thing: if he could only explain his way to us more succinctly, if we could only understand… we would surely quit obstructing. He’s going to have to reframe his message, again… not change it.
His plans and ideas are not being rejected, as reflected in the polls and recent elections, because that’s just … not possible. There must be something lacking in the way they are being communicated. So he’ll keep trying, until we get it.
No sarc marks.

It is not that the President isn’t framing his message correctly, it is that the republican party, the tea bag party, fox news, right wing talk radio and blog sites are distorting it.

57 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:38:07pm

Back from California to the cold, cold Michigan. :(

58 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:38:21pm

re: #45 Gus 802

Watch the video.


[Video]That. Was. Not. A. Bow.

Lol! Doctored footage! He’s the most arrogant weak cowardly oppressive tyrant ever! New World Order! Conspiracy!
/Buy gold!

59 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:38:30pm

re: #34 webevintage
Not to nitpick, but you don’t stare at the ground while doing that…. you still look at the person you are greeting.
Still, it hardly rates a mention on the obamination meter. Must have been a slow news day.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:38:40pm

re: #55 Gus 802

Yeah. That would be another word for it. Looks like they caught the photo right at the bottom of the dip which makes him look like he’s bowing.

It makes more sense from this angle. In the picture I saw, he seemed to be bowing to the woman one over, but she wasn’t making eye contact with him. Here you can see he’s actually moved on.

61 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:38:41pm

re: #34 webevintage

It is not bowing. It is a tall man leaning down to hear what people are saying to him, it is called being gracious and having good manners.
I don’t get why people have a problem with that…

My husband does it all the time. As he is shaking hands he bends in or leans down to hear what others say because he is so tall.

Agreed. I was really just having a little fun, plus I hadn’t seen the picture until a few minutes ago. I’m above taking cheap shots at the President. If I criticize him it will be on policy differences. Getting personal is chicken-shit. We saw that way too much during the last administration.

62 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:38:43pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Lol! Doctored footage! He’s the most arrogant weak cowardly oppressive tyrant ever! New World Order! Conspiracy!
/Buy gold!

Oligarhy!

/

63 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:38:54pm

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

Sure. Obama the narcissist also obsessively bows to people he meets. We’ll go with that.

it’s worse…it’s a subconscious beg for forgiveness

64 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:39:10pm

re: #63 albusteve

it’s worse…it’s a subconscious beg for forgiveness

Nope.

65 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:39:31pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s sort of a dip. I’m not sure there’s a real word for it.

a half curtsy?

66 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:39:40pm

re: #63 albusteve

it’s worse…it’s a subconscious beg for forgiveness

You an empath?
;)

67 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:39:48pm

re: #36 Gus 802

Nope. Not a bow. Check out the video here.


[Video]

Perfect, thanks, and I expected something as innocent as that.

68 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:39:54pm

re: #62 Gus 802

Oligarhy!

/

Would rule by pirates be Olighaaarrchy?

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:40:05pm

re: #63 albusteve

it’s worse…it’s a subconscious beg for forgiveness

And we thought Nixon was messed up…

70 Silvergirl  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:40:17pm

Three non-drivers in the same thread? That’s surprising.

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:40:30pm

re: #70 Silvergirl

Three non-drivers in the same thread? That’s surprising.

Four.

72 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:40:45pm

re: #68 Alouette

Would rule by pirates be Olighaaarrchy?

I think that would be oligarghcy.

73 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:40:48pm

re: #34 webevintage

It is not bowing. It is a tall man leaning down to hear what people are saying to him, it is called being gracious and having good manners.
I don’t get why people have a problem with that…

My husband does it all the time. As he is shaking hands he bends in or leans down to hear what others say because he is so tall.

Hell yeah.

There was this other president, the one with the beard and that little problem with Jefferson Davis, who did that too.

74 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:40:55pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

It makes more sense from this angle. In the picture I saw, he seemed to be bowing to the woman one over, but she wasn’t making eye contact with him. Here you can see he’s actually moved on.

he gets confused who he’s bowing to…needs some more practice

75 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:40:59pm

Attn: bowgate idiots
Don’t you ever get tired of falling for the phony outrages?

76 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:41:02pm

re: #56 blueraven

It is not that the President isn’t framing his message correctly, it is that the republican party, the tea bag party, fox news, right wing talk radio and blog sites are distorting it.

Fox News! Tea Party! Right wing racists! Oh no!

77 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:41:11pm

re: #70 Silvergirl

Three non-drivers in the same thread? That’s surprising.

Just one more thing I don’t gots to pays nothings fors!
XD

78 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:41:36pm

re: #38 albusteve

Lawmakers in 34 states now have filed or proposed amendments to their state constitutions or statutes rejecting health insurance mandates, according to the American Legislative Exchange Council,

no small thing

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

from the AP

States ensuring their rights?
The horror, the horror…

Hey wait. I thought we all really wanted a monstrously large new entitlement (paid for by only 55% of wage earners) and we just don’t understand yet how good it will be for us…

Right?

79 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:42:03pm

re: #46 Obdicut

Nice one, Gus. Another ballooning nontroversy punctured.

Any bets on the other blogs correcting the story ?

80 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:42:06pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Attn: bowgate idiots
Don’t you ever get tired of falling for the phony outrages?

Click-thru advertisements, my friend. Traffic.

81 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:42:22pm

re: #56 blueraven
Well there you go.
Poor POTUS. He can’t catch a break.
BTW, he is convinced of exactly what you wrote, which is not going to help move things along.

82 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:42:22pm

re: #66 Varek Raith

You an empath?
;)

dunno, but this perpetual 45 degree bend has been hard on my back…I was a bad boy I think

83 palomino  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:42:27pm

re: #4 rwmofo

You’ll also see Charlie Crist in that picture. What political motivation could he possibly have for making a second appearance with Obama?

After the heat he took for appearing with Obama the first time, he’s been on the florida gop’s shit list. And now he’s facing a strong primary challenge from the right. Just seems to be giving his critics more ammo.

84 webevintage  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:42:49pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

Fricken mystery is solved. Thank you web!

Brilliant…I know….

85 Silvergirl  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:42:58pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

Four.

Wow. Even more impressive. I can’t add to your numbers, but if you ever need a ride somewhere, I have a license. Or we could all go biking.

86 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:43:05pm

re: #79 avanti

Any bets on the other blogs correcting the story ?

None. They’re going to run with the bow controversy!!1111!11

87 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:43:41pm

re: #51 generalsparky

WE could have an ADD convention here it sounds like…I’m ADD too, but more the absent minded professor/inattentive type.

88 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:43:55pm
89 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:44:08pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Attn: bowgate idiots
Don’t you ever get tired of falling for the phony outrages?

Nope. They’re addicted to rage. If they had to drop the hate, they’d have to actually try to address some of America’s problems, doing which is much more complicated and less emotionally satisfying than screaming about nontroversies. Doing so would be a mark of maturity, but neither wingnuts nor moonbats are noted for that.

90 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:44:21pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

Attn: bowgate idiots
Don’t you ever get tired of falling for the phony outrages?

not when it’s this serious…I think BO needs bowtherapy…just a guess

91 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:44:43pm

re: #83 palomino

You’ll also see Charlie Crist in that picture. What political motivation could he possibly have for making a second appearance with Obama?

After the heat he took for appearing with Obama the first time, he’s been on the florida gop’s shit list. And now he’s facing a strong primary challenge from the right. Just seems to be giving his critics more ammo.

I though that looked like Crist. Yeah, the silly season could go a little wackier than usual during that primary.

92 Stanley Sea  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:44:51pm

re: #86 Gus 802

None. They’re going to run with the bow controversy!!1111!11

Anything to get the subject off the Q&A on Friday.

93 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:45:24pm

OT

Apropos of my just-concluded road trip (eight thousand miles in four months, the last 2,800 completed in under five days):

Having lived in rural or, at worst, fully yuppified versions of the American nightmare for the third of a year, with perhaps three out of 117 days spent in any big metropolitan mess, I can see why the Victorians with any sense of how life might be lived outside the City were convinced that miasmas and mephitic exhalations were the sources of urban illness. Come to think of it, at least in a psycho-social sense, in what way were they wrong?

94 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:45:38pm

re: #33 jamesfirecat
Seriously??
Seriously???
Thank heavens… we Americans are so in need of caring observers to guide us in the path of righteousness.//

95 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:45:46pm

re: #70 Silvergirl

Three non-drivers in the same thread? That’s surprising.

Not if they all live in New York.

96 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:45:58pm

re: #83 palomino

You’ll also see Charlie Crist in that picture. What political motivation could he possibly have for making a second appearance with Obama?

After the heat he took for appearing with Obama the first time, he’s been on the florida gop’s shit list. And now he’s facing a strong primary challenge from the right. Just seems to be giving his critics more ammo.

BO is toxic…he campaigns for you, you lose

97 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:46:33pm

re: #93 Cato the Elder

You ever drive past a hog confinement building on a hot summer day? Talk about your miasmas….

99 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:47:56pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout
Probably not as long as there are people willing to tirelessly keep digging them up and egging them on.

100 Silvergirl  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:48:02pm

re: #93 Cato the Elder

OT

Apropos of my just-concluded road trip (eight thousand miles in four months, the last 2,800 completed in under five days):

Having lived in rural or, at worst, fully yuppified versions of the American nightmare for the third of a year, with perhaps three out of 117 days spent in any big metropolitan mess, I can see why the Victorians with any sense of how life might be lived outside the City were convinced that miasmas and mephitic exhalations were the sources of urban illness. Come to think of it, at least in a psycho-social sense, in what way were they wrong?

Reword that, will you? Simpler terms, please. I don’t consider myself too horribly learning disabled, but I am suffering from a wretched cold and need an assist.

101 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:48:25pm
102 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:48:36pm

re: #97 PT Barnum

You ever drive past a hog confinement building on a hot summer day? Talk about your miasmas…

Those aren’t miasmas, they’re mephitic exhalations.

103 generalsparky  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:48:49pm

re: #87 PT Barnum

WE could have an ADD convention here it sounds like…I’m ADD too, but more the absent minded professor/inattentive type.

That’s me too. I lack the hyperactivity. I wasn’t diagnosed until I went to college. My dad wasn’t diagnosed until he was an adult too. Strange how it can run in families. I have three young sons. And with ADD on both sides I figure at least one has it. But I would love for that to not be the case.

104 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:48:50pm

re: #97 PT Barnum

You ever drive past a hog confinement building on a hot summer day? Talk about your miasmas…

Well, my best friend did walk past the Capitol Building in July… ;)

105 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:49:03pm

re: #93 Cato the Elder

OT

Apropos of my just-concluded road trip (eight thousand miles in four months, the last 2,800 completed in under five days):

Having lived in rural or, at worst, fully yuppified versions of the American nightmare for the third of a year, with perhaps three out of 117 days spent in any big metropolitan mess, I can see why the Victorians with any sense of how life might be lived outside the City were convinced that miasmas and mephitic exhalations were the sources of urban illness. Come to think of it, at least in a psycho-social sense, in what way were they wrong?

I don’t know about that, but I like sweetcorn in August

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:49:49pm

re: #85 Silvergirl

Wow. Even more impressive. I can’t add to your numbers, but if you ever need a ride somewhere, I have a license. Or we could all go biking.

Actually, I can’t ride a bike. We could Rollerblade. I can Rollerblade.

107 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:50:03pm

re: #102 Cato the Elder

I dunno…just smells like pigshit to me…

108 simoom  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:50:09pm

re: #29 MandyManners

Hmmm…speaking of YouTube, these were posted tonight.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Posted tonight where?

Those seem to be links to posts from nearly two years ago containing an Al Jazeera report on 18 Gaza students who for whatever reason feel candidate Obama offered their best hope for Mid-east peace. One says that before each primary he would call some random Americans to urge them to vote for Obama. Based on his heavy accent and the Islamophobia in this country, an effort that I imagine somewhat backfired. Islamaphobia that those two posts trade in as they imply Obama is somehow tainted by these 18 foreign strangers support.

109 Racer X  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:50:15pm

re: #101 MandyManners

LOL!

I can’t wait for the toilets in the white house to clog. Blame Bush.

110 Racer X  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:50:57pm

Wait, what were we talking about?

111 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:51:10pm

re: #98 Racer X

16 Lies in 7 Minutes: Obama’s First State Of The Union Video Breakdown


[Video]

nice catch, but nobody cares…he gets 16 passes

112 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:51:18pm
113 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:51:57pm

re: #100 Silvergirl
Oh, come on. Why settle for brevity and clarity when you can wallow in a miasma of flowery bullshiite?//

114 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:52:04pm
115 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:52:15pm

re: #103 generalsparky

I finally got on a set of meds that manages the ADD along with the comorbidities of depression and anxiety…

I still struggle with the ADD stuff (lack of focus or hyperfocus mostly) but now I can at least see that it’s happening and use my tools to deal with it.

I tell people ADD is like having a little guy in your brain with a remote control and he constantly changes channels on you until he finds something he likes and then you can’t get him to change the channel without a lot of work.

116 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:52:20pm

re: #101 MandyManners

The $4 billion that NASA spends yearly on human space exploration will now be used for what NASA and White House officials called dramatic changes in rocketry, including in-orbit fueling. They said eventually those new technologies would be used to send astronauts to a nearby asteroid, a brief foray back to the moon, or the Martian moons.

SNIP


How will they get them to orbit to refuel when the shuttle is being decommissioned, the private companies aren’t ready, and NASA has no other man-rated systems?

Keep renting space from the Russians? Or Chinese?

117 blueraven  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:52:53pm

re: #76 cliffster

Fox News! Tea Party! Right wing racists! Oh no!

Did I say something about racists? That was not in my mind at all!

118 Racer X  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:52:59pm

Barack Obama to forecast $1.6 trillion deficit in budget

President Barack Obama will forecast a record $1.6 trillion deficit in the 2010 fiscal year, the biggest since World War Two, when he presents his budget today.

119 Silvergirl  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:53:07pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

Actually, I can’t ride a bike. We could Rollerblade. I can Rollerblade.

I bow before you! I have never tried roller blading, but I think I could do it since I could ice skate as a girl in the frozen midwest. I’ll put on those old school skates (I even had a pair on strap-ons with a key) and go roller blading with you, and you can put training wheels on a bike and go biking with me.

120 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:53:40pm

re: #100 Silvergirl

Reword that, will you? Simpler terms, please. I don’t consider myself too horribly learning disabled, but I am suffering from a wretched cold and need an assist.

OK: I lived in the country or on a bedroom-community island for the neurotic rich for the last third of a year, spending perhaps three days in cities. Coming back to Dear Dirty Dublin Baltimore today, my perceptions for how foul everything looks and smells are heightened. So I can see how a Dickens in coal-era, poorhouse London would think that it was “bad air” that caused all the problems. And, in a metaphorical sense, isn’t that in fact the simple truth?

121 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:53:45pm

Sigh, I wished we’d* take the potential of space travel seriously…
*We, as in the country.

122 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:53:53pm

re: #118 Racer X

Barack Obama to forecast $1.6 trillion deficit in budget

President Barack Obama will forecast a record $1.6 trillion deficit in the 2010 fiscal year, the biggest since World War Two, when he presents his budget today.

pass #17…ho hum

123 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:53:59pm
124 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:54:00pm

Here’s a story on Government Health Care at Work from across the Big Pond:

Father Forced to Deliver His Own Baby

125 Racer X  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:54:26pm

re: #114 MandyManners

A simple rope reference would have sufficed.

126 [deleted]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:55:12pm
127 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:55:23pm

re: #119 Silvergirl

I bow before you! I have never tried roller blading, but I think I could do it since I could ice skate as a girl in the frozen midwest. I’ll put on those old school skates (I even had a pair on strap-ons with a key) and go roller blading with you, and you can put training wheels on a bike and go biking with me.

If you can ice skate/roller skate, you can Rollerblade.

When I was in college we had a couple days when we dressed up in our RenFaire gear and went Rollerblading Elizabethan style. Very silly and fun.

128 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:55:34pm

re: #123 MandyManners

GAZE

129 palomino  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:55:41pm

re: #96 albusteve

BO is toxic…he campaigns for you, you lose

that’s an oversimplification, lots of other factors in elections.

and if Obama is “toxic” at 48% approval rating, what would you call W when he was at 24%?

130 windsagio  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:56:18pm

re: #123 MandyManners

I was gonna stay out of the swamp for a while, but I’m not sure its fair for you to complain about anybody saying “FUCK _” to anyone else >>

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:56:35pm

re: #129 palomino

that’s an oversimplification, lots of other factors in elections.

and if Obama is “toxic” at 48% approval rating, what would you call W when he was at 24%?

Besieged by the MSM.

//

132 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:56:38pm

re: #129 palomino

that’s an oversimplification, lots of other factors in elections.

and if Obama is “toxic” at 48% approval rating, what would you call W when he was at 24%?

Overloaded with gamma radiation???

133 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:56:40pm

re: #125 Racer X
You took the words right outta my mouth.

134 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:56:57pm

re: #123 MandyManners

Ooops.

This post means that LVQ has the right to say “Fuck you, bitch” to me.

Or, does itl.

You keep bringing that up, but do you recall what you once called me ? Time to move on Mandy.

135 windsagio  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:57:08pm

re: #130 windsagio

also; I thought Charles definitively settled the Ludwig thing >>

136 generalsparky  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:57:34pm

re: #94 tradewind

Seriously??
Seriously???
Thank heavens… we Americans are so in need of caring observers to guide us in the path of righteousness.//

Well you know I did receive a voter’s guide stuck in my door the other day. I had never seen one before. It had instructions to take the piece of paper into the polling booth with me. It even had all the little bubbles filled in for all the folks I needed to vote for.

Seriously, are Americans so stupid they need to be spoonfed who in the hell to vote for or what to think?!?

137 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:58:07pm

re: #126 MandyManners
That thing about bodily fluids defying gravity. So to-the-point…. I like it. In fact, have used it now and then since I ran into it here.
:)

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:58:09pm

re: #136 generalsparky

Well you know I did receive a voter’s guide stuck in my door the other day. I had never seen one before. It had instructions to take the piece of paper into the polling booth with me. It even had all the little bubbles filled in for all the folks I needed to vote for.

Seriously, are Americans so stupid they need to be spoonfed who in the hell to vote for or what to think?!?

Who was the voter’s guide from?

139 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:58:15pm

re: #114 MandyManners

You are a fucking idiot.

hah, as albusteve would say:

BAD FORM

140 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:58:40pm

re: #139 WindUpBird

hah, as albusteve would say:

BAD FORM

Quite Concur.

141 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:58:56pm

re: #129 palomino

that’s an oversimplification, lots of other factors in elections.

and if Obama is “toxic” at 48% approval rating, what would you call W when he was at 24%?

is there an example where it was otherwise?…I don’t read all the news, but I don’t think toxic has a specific number to it…do you think he’ll campaign for the senate seat in Illinois?

142 Silvergirl  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:59:32pm

re: #120 Cato the Elder

OK: I lived in the country or on a bedroom-community island for the neurotic rich for the last third of a year, spending perhaps three days in cities. Coming back to Dear Dirty Dublin Baltimore today, my perceptions for how foul everything looks and smells are heightened. So I can see how a Dickens in coal-era, poorhouse London would think that it was “bad air” that caused all the problems. And, in a metaphorical sense, isn’t that in fact the simple truth?

My brother moved to Oregon from LA and he talks incessantly of the clean air. He was in awe for awhile.

Thanks for dumbing it down a bit for me.

143 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:59:34pm

re: #136 generalsparky
Down here, only the democrats send those out. And then they follow up, and make sure their voters have them in hand before they walk into the booths.

144 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:59:36pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Here’s a story on Government Health Care at Work from across the Big Pond:

Father Forced to Deliver His Own Baby

As opposed to here, where mothers often name their children after the taxi drivers whose cabs they give birth in while being shunted around from one ER to the other looking for one with an OB attending and a free nurse.

These socialized-medicine horror stories wore thin about 18 years ago. But thanks for playing.

145 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:59:43pm

re: #110 Racer X

Wait, what were we talking about?

The President, but then I threw in a curve-ball. Some others mentioned that they don’t drive. Cato took a road-trip…and other sundry stuff.

So I worked all day (didn’t surf youtube) and people in the office mentioned Pink’s performance last night.

I just watched it for the first time (I’m sure a lot of you have already seen it). She’s a helluva singer and this moved her up a couple notches on my scale.

146 webevintage  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 8:59:58pm

Here’s a budget proposal that requires some brass ones:
voices.washingtonpost.com

147 Racer X  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:00:06pm

re: #118 Racer X

Barack Obama to forecast $1.6 trillion deficit in budget

President Barack Obama will forecast a record $1.6 trillion deficit in the 2010 fiscal year, the biggest since World War Two, when he presents his budget today.

Mr Obama’s budget proposal for 2011, to be released on Monday morning, will predict a narrowing of the deficits to $700 billion by 2013 before they gradually rise back to $1 trillion by the end of the decade, said sources in Congress.

Announce astronomical spending, then look like a savior when you announce a spending freeze and some modest budget cuts.

Oh this guy is good.

148 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:00:25pm

OT - Funny SNL sketch about Scott Brown and the Dems:

nbc.com

149 windsagio  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:00:54pm

re: #143 tradewind

In the PNW the states put some out, and there are stories every year of conservative groups putting ‘voters guides’ in car windshields during church services.

150 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:01:07pm

re: #129 palomino

that’s an oversimplification, lots of other factors in elections.

and if Obama is “toxic” at 48% approval rating, what would you call W when he was at 24%?

Not that it matters, but his polling is up to the highest levels in a few months from the STOU bump. (both Rasmussen and Gallup)

151 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:01:10pm

re: #129 palomino

what would you call W when he was at 24%?


Lamestreamed by the NYSlimes et al.

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:01:16pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

As opposed to here, where mothers often name their children after the taxi drivers whose cabs they give birth in while being shunted around from one ER to the other looking for one with an OB attending and a free nurse.

These socialized-medicine horror stories wore thin about 18 years ago. But thanks for playing.

My father got emergency delivery training as a police cadet, and I think he was always kind of disappointed that they made it to the hospital smoothly when I was being born. He was sure he could have done everything himself if given the opportunity.

153 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:01:43pm

re: #70 Silvergirl

Three non-drivers in the same thread? That’s surprising.

It is. I likely couldn’t out drive Mario Andretti, but I feel like I was born with a steering wheel in my hands and a gas pedal under my foot.

A couple years back, I had to take the written driver’s test to renew my license. Some new state law or something. Anyway, first time taking it in nearly twenty years, didn’t study a bit, and nailed it. 100%

:pops collar:

154 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:01:55pm

re: #136 generalsparky

Well you know I did receive a voter’s guide stuck in my door the other day. I had never seen one before. It had instructions to take the piece of paper into the polling booth with me. It even had all the little bubbles filled in for all the folks I needed to vote for.

Seriously, are Americans so stupid they need to be spoonfed who in the hell to vote for or what to think?!?

Did you see the post voting interviews? blog.beliefnet.com>blog.beliefnet.com>
Could easily apply to McCain voters, too I’m sure.
The lack of knowledge that many voters display is stunning.

155 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:02:00pm

re: #149 windsagio
In the PNW, that’d be what….. twenty or thirty flyers, tops?//

156 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:03:19pm

re: #150 avanti

Not that it matters, but his polling is up to the highest levels in a few months from the STOU bump. (both Rasmussen and Gallup)

BO is sunk right now…just keep kidding yourself with poll numbers…higher than what?…lower than when?…his agenda is what counts, why do you think he moved those Patriots around?…he’s grasping for some mojo

157 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:03:42pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

As opposed to here, where mothers often name their children after the taxi drivers whose cabs they give birth in while being shunted around from one ER to the other looking for one with an OB attending and a free nurse.

These socialized-medicine horror stories wore thin about 18 years ago. But thanks for playing.

One of the differences being that that in the UK those people have already paid for the services they aren’t getting.

158 webevintage  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:04:29pm

re: #143 tradewind

Down here, only the democrats send those out. And then they follow up, and make sure their voters have them in hand before they walk into the booths.

Around here the only “voters guides” I have seen are from Family Council which is affiliated with Focus on the Family.

159 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:04:30pm

re: #150 avanti
Can you say ’ dead cat bounce ‘?
The SOTU ran his numbers up only within his own party….. no change or bounce at all from the independents he underbussed lost.

160 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:04:40pm

re: #154 Van Helsing

Forgot link

161 generalsparky  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:04:42pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

Who was the voter’s guide from?

From the Democrat Party in my county. Apparently there was a primary here today and the previous owners of our house were registered Democrats. I didn’t know they were until we got a knock on the door yesterday. I had kind of wondered why I was getting all this Democrat stuff in the mail on and on my door and not Republican. But I brushed it off as being IL and a “Blue” state.

162 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:05:10pm

re: #156 albusteve

BO is sunk right now…just keep kidding yourself with poll numbers…higher than what?…lower than when?…his agenda is what counts, why do you think he moved those Patriots around?…he’s grasping for some mojo

Whatever, if it was 85%, you’d say only 15% of the country was not nuts.

163 Racer X  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:05:20pm

re: #145 rwmofo

The President, but then I threw in a curve-ball. Some others mentioned that they don’t drive. Cato took a road-trip…and other sundry stuff.

So I worked all day (didn’t surf youtube) and people in the office mentioned Pink’s performance last night.

I just watched it for the first time (I’m sure a lot of you have already seen it). She’s a helluva singer and this moved her up a couple notches on my scale.

Wow! That was awesome! (Pink)

164 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:05:38pm

I want to buy a HDTV to watch the Super Bowl, and so my kids can watch sports when they come over.

What’s a good brand and a good place to buy a new TV? My parents have a 60” wide screen. I don’t need something that big, but a nice 42” can be had for cheap now that it’s Super Bowl week.

165 generalsparky  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:06:21pm

re: #143 tradewind

Down here, only the democrats send those out. And then they follow up, and make sure their voters have them in hand before they walk into the booths.

It was from the Democrat party. Apparently the previous owners of our house were registered Democrats so I was getting all their fliers.

166 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:06:27pm

re: #161 generalsparky

From the Democrat Party in my county. Apparently there was a primary here today and the previous owners of our house were registered Democrats. I didn’t know they were until we got a knock on the door yesterday. I had kind of wondered why I was getting all this Democrat stuff in the mail on and on my door and not Republican. But I brushed it off as being IL and a “Blue” state.

Ugh, during the ‘08 election, my door was spammed with ‘voter’s guides’.
Got to the point where I told one of ‘em to read the frikking no solicitors sign!
:/

167 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:06:45pm

re: #157 Van Helsing

One of the differences being that that in the UK those people have already paid for the services they aren’t getting.

Whereas here, you’ll eventually make it to an ER with a neonate/postnate facility, where they’ll rush your cab baby and you to a room and do all kinds of tests, then bill the rest of us.

I am suddenly so convinced of the superiority of our system.

168 generalsparky  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:07:17pm

re: #161 generalsparky

From the Democrat Party in my county. Apparently there was a primary here today and the previous owners of our house were registered Democrats. I didn’t know they were until we got a knock on the door yesterday. I had kind of wondered why I was getting all this Democrat stuff in the mail on and on my door and not Republican. But I brushed it off as being IL and a “Blue” state.

Oops, the primary is tomorrow, not today.

169 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:07:19pm

re: #159 tradewind

Can you say ’ dead cat bounce ‘?
The SOTU ran his numbers up only within his own party… no change or bounce at all from the independents he underbussed lost.

What is people problems with cats? More than one way to skin a cat. Dead cat bounce?? Why would you want to skin a cat? Are dead cats really the only way to describe this bounce? Enough with the morbid cat references, I say.

170 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:07:47pm

re: #162 avanti

Whatever, if it was 85%, you’d say only 15% of the country was not nuts.

I don’t care about the polls…I care about production and leadership, not some esoteric question and answer guide preloaded for publication the next day…people are not very happy with BO and his cronies right now, you can call it whatever you want

171 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:08:10pm

I think that this may be the next Wingnut Outrage:

Show Lets Viewers Decide If ‘Reality Stars’ Get Abortions

First it was the Real World, then came the Jersey Shore. Now, a new pseudoreality show is hoping to make an impression – only this time the cameras are following three actresses pretending to have unwanted pregnancies, and whether or not they decide to get an abortion is up to the viewers.

The “Bump” was conceived after President Obama’s commencement address at Note Dame University last year where he said he wanted “to find ways to communicate about a workable solution to the problem of unintended pregnancies,” executive producer Dominic Iocco told The Washington Post.

172 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:08:27pm

re: #101 MandyManners

We need a new space-frame. Whether the Obama admin can pull this off or not, i don’t know, but we need a new space-frame.

173 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:08:37pm

re: #159 tradewind

Can you say ’ dead cat bounce ‘?
The SOTU ran his numbers up only within his own party… no change or bounce at all from the independents he underbussed lost.

No argument on the bounce, but I agree with Obama on one thing. If he’d tried doing a lot less and just filled the chair his polling would be better. As it is, he’s tracking Reagan’s numbers during his first year in a down economy.

174 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:08:56pm

re: #164 Alouette

Samsung.

175 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:08:59pm

re: #169 cliffster

What is people problems with cats? More than one way to skin a cat. Dead cat bounce?? Why would you want to skin a cat? Are dead cats really the only way to describe this bounce? Enough with the morbid cat references, I say.

Go, Cliffster! Let your inner feline roar!

176 windsagio  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:09:36pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

that strikes me like the ‘white basketball league’ as can’t possibly be true.

177 humpty dumpty was pushed  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:09:41pm

re: #164 Alouette

We’ve had 2 sharps, a sony and a philips. The Sharps are really clear and have great color in HD, fwiw.

178 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:09:50pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I think that this may be the next Wingnut Outrage:

Show Lets Viewers Decide If ‘Reality Stars’ Get Abortions

If we televised Gladiatorial death matches, it’d be the highest rated show ever.
/humans.

179 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:09:52pm

re: #164 Alouette
Make sure you get an LCD, not a plasma….. the energy usage is strikingly different.

180 Irenicum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:10:09pm

A good interview overall. I dare say this reminds me of why I voted for him. He was given a series of questions not scripted and yet he gave nuanced and generally satisfactory answers to most of them showing a knowledge of every issue. No teleprompters were harmed while filming this interview.

181 palomino  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:10:10pm

re: #141 albusteve

is there an example where it was otherwise?…I don’t read all the news, but I don’t think toxic has a specific number to it…do you think he’ll campaign for the senate seat in Illinois?

Of course he’ll campaign in IL. Just like Bush did for gopers in TX up to the end. Home state voters usually love their presidents beyond all rational bounds.

182 webevintage  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:10:33pm

re: #166 Varek Raith


Got to the point where I told one of ‘em to read the frikking no solicitors sign!
:/

This is on my door:

“NO SOLICITORS
Please Go Away If You are selling something….even Jesus.
No salesmen, Baptists, Evangelicals, Jehovah Witnesses.
You folks annoy me and make my dogs bark.

Got a delivery? Friends and family?
You guys are always welcome at our house.
Thanks for coming by!”

183 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:11:08pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

My father got emergency delivery training as a police cadet, and I think he was always kind of disappointed that they made it to the hospital smoothly when I was being born. He was sure he could have done everything himself if given the opportunity.

This may sound silly, because you made me think of it about 27 years after I could have used it, but it wouldn’t hurt for more people (Hey Dads) to get this kind of trainnig. My ex was in labor for a total of 90 minutes. Fortunately it was Christmas Eve morning and I was home. We tracked the contractions for about 20 minutes, called the Dr, and drove to the hospital. The kid decided to pop out and he wasn’t negotiating.

184 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:11:23pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I’m not a wingnut and I’m outraged at the inanity of such a concept.

Unfortunately, we have not even begun to plumb the depths of what the American psyche will accept as legitimate entertainment.

185 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:11:25pm

re: #169 cliffster

What is people problems with cats? More than one way to skin a cat. Dead cat bounce?? Why would you want to skin a cat? Are dead cats really the only way to describe this bounce? Enough with the morbid cat references, I say.

Changing peoples attitudes about cats is like herding cats.

186 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:11:57pm

re: #170 albusteve

I don’t care about the polls…I care about production and leadership, not some esoteric question and answer guide preloaded for publication the next day…people are not very happy with BO and his cronies right now, you can call it whatever you want

That’s what polling tells you, how many “people” are unhappy. My point was and is, that you’ll always be in the unhappy group, no matter it’s size.

187 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:12:15pm

re: #167 Cato the Elder

Whereas here, you’ll eventually make it to an ER with a neonate/postnate facility, where they’ll rush your cab baby and you to a room and do all kinds of tests, then bill the rest of us.

I am suddenly so convinced of the superiority of our system.

Cato, all I was pointing out was that in the UK they are supposed to be guaranteed those services because they are paying for them.

And in the case of the NHS you’d still be paying for the services they didn’t get.

So that makes it better how? Everyone gets screwed less?

188 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:12:25pm

re: #175 Cato the Elder

Go, Cliffster! Let your inner feline roar!

fuck off, old cato. hisssss

189 humpty dumpty was pushed  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:12:27pm

re: #179 tradewind

Agreed. And lcd are brighter and the picture doesn`t suffrer when viewed from an angle.

190 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:12:36pm

re: #181 palomino

Of course he’ll campaign in IL. Just like Bush did for gopers in TX up to the end. Home state voters usually love their presidents beyond all rational bounds.

It won’t help this time. Voters here are pissed with Democratic corruption. I expect Republicans to capture both the Governorship and Obama’s former Senate seat.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:12:46pm

re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist

My father got emergency delivery training as a police cadet, and I think he was always kind of disappointed that they made it to the hospital smoothly when I was being born. He was sure he could have done everything himself if given the opportunity.

OK, a joke for an uneven evening:

Malkie and Avrom are a pair of young Orthodox newlyweds living in a Brooklyn apartment, and they’re expecting their first baby. Avrom is terribly excited and nervous, so he pesters his rabbi for all the information he may need when the baby arrives.

“What if the baby comes on Shabbos?” he asks one day.

“Well,” the rabbi tells him, “if it’s nighttime, and your Shabbos candles are still burning, you should ask one of the neighbor children to come and watch until they burn down. Before Shabbos you should put enough money for a cab and a big tip on the kitchen counter. You should call for a cab—in an urgent medical situation like a first labor, that’s fine to use the phone on Shabbos. When the cabbie comes, ask him to come upstairs. He can take his own money, and carry Malkie’s bag downstairs for you. And you should remember to ask the cab company that they not send a Jewish cabbie, so you don’t enable another Jew in committing a sin.”

Avrom carefully commits this to memory. Sure enough, late on Friday night, Malkie’s contractions begin. Avrom calls the cab company, and requests a taxi. Remembering the rabbi’s directions, he clarifies that they should not send a Jewish driver.

Minutes later, a young African American cab driver arrives at their door. Having grown up in the neighborhood, he at once understands the situation, and taking Malkie’s bag and his money from the kitchen counter, he goes downstairs and waits while Avram helps Malkie down the stairs. Reassuring them that it’s a short drive to the hospital, and that he has never had a baby born in his cab before, he begins to drive.

As they approach the hospital, the radio crackles on. “Hey Jamal. It’s Izzy. We got a pickup at the hospital, Gordon, three people, they need help with a wheelchair. Have you dropped off the ****ing anti-Semites yet?”

192 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:12:50pm

re: #181 palomino

Of course he’ll campaign in IL. Just like Bush did for gopers in TX up to the end. Home state voters usually love their presidents beyond all rational bounds.

his popularity seems to be crashing in Chicago…I posted about on the overnight thread this morning…don’t take my word for it tho, there is plenty of evidence that his cred is weakening up there

193 webevintage  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:13:12pm

I forgot to mention that the important thing about my sign is that is works.
I’ve seen folks come up the steps, read the sign and go away.

194 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:13:14pm

re: #173 avanti
The difference is that Reagan had a clear vision for the country that the people could love, and more importantly, understand.
Obama can’t do that.

195 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:13:28pm

re: #185 Gus 802

Changing peoples attitudes about cats is like herding cats.

Cat girls!
:)

196 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:13:31pm

re: #169 cliffster

What is people problems with cats? More than one way to skin a cat. Dead cat bounce?? Why would you want to skin a cat? Are dead cats really the only way to describe this bounce? Enough with the morbid cat references, I say.

Sutures, bows for stringed instruments. Cats can be useful.

197 generalsparky  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:13:35pm

re: #182 webevintage

This is on my door:

“NO SOLICITORS
Please Go Away If You are selling something….even Jesus.
No salesmen, Baptists, Evangelicals, Jehovah Witnesses.
You folks annoy me and make my dogs bark.

Got a delivery? Friends and family?
You guys are always welcome at our house.
Thanks for coming by!”

Love it! I would have to replace “dogs” with “kids” since we are a petfree house though ;-)

198 windsagio  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:13:58pm

re: #195 Varek Raith

lol, geek :p

199 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:14:18pm

re: #187 Van Helsing

According to Bentham, yes.

200 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:14:29pm

re: #186 avanti

That’s what polling tells you, how many “people” are unhappy. My point was and is, that you’ll always be in the unhappy group, no matter it’s size.

I don’t like liberal, no experience, extra talky, fumbling, bumbling presidents…it’s true

201 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:15:28pm

re: #169 cliffster
Hey, I didn’t coin that term.///
(But I’m really glad it’s not called a dead dog bounce.//)

202 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:15:33pm

re: #180 Irenicum

A good interview overall. I dare say this reminds me of why I voted for him. He was given a series of questions not scripted and yet he gave nuanced and generally satisfactory answers to most of them showing a knowledge of every issue. No teleprompters were harmed while filming this interview.

One quibble, he’s a bit too nuanced at times. He needs some simple sound bites, and plain talk to appeal to Joe Sixpack.

203 palomino  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:15:42pm

re: #151 tradewind

of course, it’s all the msm’s fault. easier to blame them than actually look at what happened over his two terms.

204 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:15:53pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I think that this may be the next Wingnut Outrage:

Show Lets Viewers Decide If ‘Reality Stars’ Get Abortions

Is it too late to do a remake of the “The Mary Tyler Moore” show instead?

205 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:15:54pm

re: #186 avanti

That’s what polling tells you, how many “people” are unhappy. My point was and is, that you’ll always be in the unhappy group, no matter it’s size.

It’s not the size of the unhappy group that matters. It’s their motion to the polls.

206 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:17:28pm

re: #184 Cato the Elder

I’m not a wingnut and I’m outraged at the inanity of such a concept.

Unfortunately, we have not even begun to plumb the depths of what the American psyche will accept as legitimate entertainment.

That’s the difference, though. When you get outraged, your outrage is rationally founded. When loonies get outraged its because something violates their little strictures of mind and is therefore eeevvvviilll. They react with thinking things through, unlike you.

207 keloyd  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:17:56pm

re: #169 cliffster

What is people problems with cats? More than one way to skin a cat. Dead cat bounce?? Why would you want to skin a cat? Are dead cats really the only way to describe this bounce? Enough with the morbid cat references, I say.

and in the dark, all cats are gray >:)

208 albusteve  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:18:04pm

re: #202 avanti

One quibble, he’s a bit too nuanced at times. He needs some simple sound bites, and plain talk to appeal to Joe Sixpack.

hahaha!…you think that can save him?…a TV touch up?….man, you people are flat out crazy….who gives a shit how smooth he is?, that angle has already gone bust…I don’t believe you….do you care at all about leadership?, or just votes and hairdo’s

209 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:18:57pm

re: #199 Cato the Elder

According to Bentham, yes.

I don’t in general agree with his philosophy of rights. Other than that, not too acquainted with his writings.

210 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:19:04pm

re: #167 Cato the Elder

Whereas here, you’ll eventually make it to an ER with a neonate/postnate facility, where they’ll rush your cab baby and you to a room and do all kinds of tests, then bill the rest of us.

I am suddenly so convinced of the superiority of our system.

If either side has come up with a good plan, I haven’t seen it.

The Democrats’ biggest mistake, IMO, was to try to shove it down our throats by yesterday - or 2009. If they had a good plan they could have marketed it effectively and won more people over. Change is desirable by both sides, but when it involves 1/6th of the economy, maybe some bipartisanship is in order.

211 srb1976  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:19:04pm

re: #183 rwmofo

This may sound silly, because you made me think of it about 27 years after I could have used it, but it wouldn’t hurt for more people (Hey Dads) to get this kind of trainnig. My ex was in labor for a total of 90 minutes. Fortunately it was Christmas Eve morning and I was home. We tracked the contractions for about 20 minutes, called the Dr, and drove to the hospital. The kid decided to pop out and he wasn’t negotiating.

Funny thing….our first was born in about 90 minutes too, we made it to the hospital, but the doctor nearly didn’t (1:48 am), he walked in just before better half would have had to catch….the nurse was too freaked out =)

212 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:19:19pm

re: #208 albusteve

hahaha!…you think that can save him?…a TV touch up?…man, you people are flat out crazy…who gives a shit how smooth he is?, that angle has already gone bust…I don’t believe you…do you care at all about leadership?, or just votes and hairdo’s

people just aren’t smart enough to understand him. never gets old

213 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:19:34pm

re: #194 tradewind

The difference is that Reagan had a clear vision for the country that the people could love, and more importantly, understand.
Obama can’t do that.

Bull. Reagan had a clearly understandable set of lies, damned lies and statistics that he could reel off like a sideshow barker. And the voting rubes bought it like beer at a baseball game in August.

Then he proceeded to do what his corporate owners told him to do, regardless of consequences.

Reagan: The Great Prevaricator.

Or was G.H.W. Bush just plain wrong when he talked of “voodoo economics”?

214 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:20:11pm

re: #208 albusteve

hahaha!…you think that can save him?…a TV touch up?…man, you people are flat out crazy…who gives a shit how smooth he is?, that angle has already gone bust…I don’t believe you…do you care at all about leadership?, or just votes and hairdo’s

He needs to get his “Palin” on a bit, you betcha.

215 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:20:33pm

re: #213 Cato the Elder

Washington couldn’t tell a lie
Nixon never told the truth
Reagan couldn’t tell the difference.

216 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:20:47pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I think that this may be the next Wingnut Outrage:

Show Lets Viewers Decide If ‘Reality Stars’ Get Abortions

Note Dame? Must be a new school or something.

What does Obama have to do with this anyway? It’s not even a TV reality show. Just some dumb online reality video program called Bump the Show.

It is distasteful.

217 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:21:01pm

re: #203 palomino
Not really big on irony detection, I suppose. Sorry you took the post word for word as the gospel.//

218 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:21:20pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I think that this may be the next Wingnut Outrage:

Show Lets Viewers Decide If ‘Reality Stars’ Get Abortions

Wish I had something witty or profound to offer here. I got nothin’.

219 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:22:07pm

re: #218 rwmofo

Wish I had something witty or profound to offer here. I got nothin’.

That would be because the idea is stupid. Really stupid.

220 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:22:24pm

re: #218 rwmofo

Good god, can’t we make it retroactive? I’d be happier if I’d never heard of Jon and Kate.

221 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:23:42pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I think that this may be the next Wingnut Outrage:

Show Lets Viewers Decide If ‘Reality Stars’ Get Abortions

I think we should just skip right ahead (behind) to gladiatorial combat in the Arena.

Do you like gladiator movies?

222 Irenicum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:23:44pm

re: #202 avanti

I agree that his nuance is both his strength and his weakness. Since I lean towards the nuanced end of the scale, his explanations resonate with me. But I can see how a more clear cut explanation is more effective in motivating people towards action. Reagan knew how to do that extremely well. Obama would do well to learn from his style. But of course, if he did, he’d be accused of being some dastardly mastermind of rhetoric who could “sway the masses” by his Manichean verbiage. I guess its damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Either way in the end I guess I’ll take a nuanced approach. It’s generally more realistic and less utopian.

223 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:24:42pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon
Damn the writers’ strike for the beyond-pathetic reality shows they spawned and foisted off on us.
Well, on some of us. Not me.

224 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:24:45pm

Next up: a reality show that lets viewers decided whether cancer patients go for rads and chemo or acupuncture and healing aromas.

This is so guaranteed to be a hit that I’m appending this:

Copyright 2010 Cato the Elder LLC

225 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:25:05pm

re: #222 Irenicum

except real murikans don’t talk lahk that.

226 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:25:18pm

re: #212 cliffster

people just aren’t smart enough to understand him. never gets old

They may be smart enough, they just don’t relate to over complicated speeches. We remember “It’s the economy stupid” or “drill baby drill”, but not a complicated explanation of economics, or energy policies.

227 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:25:52pm

re: #136 generalsparky

Well you know I did receive a voter’s guide stuck in my door the other day. I had never seen one before.

re: #143 tradewind

Down here, only the democrats send those out. And then they follow up, and make sure their voters have them in hand before they walk into the booths.

I like this only Democrats send out voter’s guides meme you two are developing. It’s fresh and interesting.

Your newsletters, I would like to subscribe to them.

228 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:26:18pm

re: #222 Irenicum

It’s hard to nuance your way around a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit.

229 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:26:23pm

re: #224 Cato the Elder

Wasn’t there a SCTV sketch about that called Danny’s Inferno? The premise was to find out what horrible act someone would be willing to commit for $1,000,000

230 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:26:26pm

re: #194 tradewind

The difference is that Reagan had a clear vision for the country that the people could love, and more importantly, understand.
Obama can’t do that.

Come on. You can’t compare Obama to Reagan in style or any other president that followed. Whether people liked Reagan or not he was still known as “the great communicator.” He had vast experience in radio, television, leading the actors union, and a slew of speeches under his belt. By the time he took office he already had 50 years of speaking experience.

231 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:26:44pm

re: #222 Irenicum

But of course, if he did, he’d be accused of being some dastardly mastermind of rhetoric who could “sway the masses” by his Manichean verbiage.

Oh, too late… he’s already been accused of that. But not so much accused, as adored for it, by news anchors and pundits everywhere who have no clue.

232 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:27:01pm

re: #221 Van Helsing

I think we should just skip right ahead (behind) to gladiatorial combat in the Arena.

Do you like gladiator movies?

Well, you’d get some interest from Cato, to be sure. ;)

233 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:27:48pm

re: #224 Cato the Elder
You’d deny them door number three, which would be a combo?//

234 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:28:08pm

re: #202 avanti

One quibble, he’s a bit too nuanced at times. He needs some simple sound bites, and plain talk to appeal to Joe Sixpack.

I thought “spread the wealth around”, “can’t drive what you want, eat what you want, set the thermostat to 72”, and “I’d like to see the Constitution more as positive rights - what the government should do for you, not what the can’t do to you” were plain as day.

235 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:28:33pm

re: #215 PT Barnum

Washington couldn’t tell a lie
Nixon never told the truth
Reagan couldn’t tell the difference.

Hadn’t heard that one. Can’t wait to tell it.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:28:55pm

re: #221 Van Helsing

I think we should just skip right ahead (behind) to gladiatorial combat in the Arena.

Do you like gladiator movies?

I hate gladiator movies.

237 generalsparky  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:29:03pm

re: #223 tradewind

Damn the writers’ strike for the beyond-pathetic reality shows they spawned and foisted off on us.
Well, on some of us. Not me.

TV pretty much sucks. I watch 24, The Tudors and Big Love. My husband and I watch together The Apprentice (UK and American) and Dragon’s Den (UK and Canadian). I also watch some UK property shows when I can find them online.

238 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:29:15pm

re: #230 Gus 802
Well…. by the time Obama took office he had….
Never mind. I forgot. He had practically nothing in the way of experience, speaking or otherwise.

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:29:19pm

re: #223 tradewind

Damn the writers’ strike for the beyond-pathetic reality shows they spawned and foisted off on us.
Well, on some of us. Not me.

But the writer’s strike gave us Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog!

240 Racer X  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:29:41pm
241 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:29:41pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

Well, you’d get some interest from Cato, to be sure. ;)

Right now I’m trying to set up a cage match between two well-known female commenters here. Tickets are going to go fast, so you might want to send me your $1,700-dollar non-refundable pre-registration fees right now.

242 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:29:53pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

I hate gladiator movies.

Not even Victor Mature or Kirk Douglas? /

243 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:30:13pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

Is it too late to do a remake of the “The Mary Tyler Moore” show instead?

I saw Joan Jett perform here a couple years ago. She did “The Mary Tyler Moore” theme song - cranked up and blasting away. My GF thought it was the “Laverne & Shirley” song at first, but I convinced her otherwise.

Didn’t see that coming.

244 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:30:24pm

re: #241 Cato the Elder

Right now I’m trying to set up a cage match between two well-known female commenters here. Tickets are going to go fast, so you might want to send me your $1,700-dollar non-refundable pre-registration fees right now.

Jello, hot oil, or chocolate pudding?

245 generalsparky  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:30:26pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

Well, I didn’t state the party until asked.

246 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:30:36pm

re: #241 Cato the Elder

Right now I’m trying to set up a cage match between two well-known female commenters here. Tickets are going to go fast, so you might want to send me your $1,700-dollar non-refundable pre-registration fees right now.

…Are you a Prince, perchance???

247 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:30:58pm

re: #243 rwmofo

A little song a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants…

248 Stanley Sea  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:31:17pm

re: #223 tradewind

Damn the writers’ strike for the beyond-pathetic reality shows they spawned and foisted off on us.
Well, on some of us. Not me.

I’m a sucker for Project Runway.

249 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:31:18pm

re: #228 cliffster

It’s hard to nuance your way around a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit.

Well, you could point out what it was when he took the job, most of that from the Bush tax cuts on the rich, and the unfunded prescription drug bill.

250 Cato the Elder  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:31:27pm

re: #246 Varek Raith

…Are you a Prince, perchance???

Of the blood, m’lord. Of the blood.

251 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:32:14pm

re: #211 srb1976

Funny thing…our first was born in about 90 minutes too, we made it to the hospital, but the doctor nearly didn’t (1:48 am), he walked in just before better half would have had to catch…the nurse was too freaked out =)

Whew! This is the kind of thing I like to leave to the professionals.

252 Irenicum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:32:31pm

It’s kinda fun to see my comments having a Rorschach effect.

253 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:32:53pm

re: #237 generalsparky

TV pretty much sucks. I watch 24, The Tudors and Big Love. My husband and I watch together The Apprentice (UK and American) and Dragon’s Den (UK and Canadian). I also watch some UK property shows when I can find them online.

I saw a few episodes of Big Love at a friend’s house, and would like to see it from the beginning. But my husband is already moaning that the first season of Ugly Betty is taking too long to process through the Netflix.

254 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:33:09pm

re: #237 generalsparky
24 looks like it might be good again this season. Try The Mentalist and Castle, you might like them. And Lost returns tomorrow, thank goodness.
There’s a new show set in Portland called Life Unexpected that’s promising as well.

255 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:33:14pm

re: #241 Cato the Elder

Right now I’m trying to set up a cage match between two well-known female commenters here. Tickets are going to go fast, so you might want to send me your $1,700-dollar non-refundable pre-registration fees right now.

Can we get a spherical cage and two motocross bikes?

256 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:33:29pm

re: #249 avanti

Well, you could point out what it was when he took the job, most of that from the Bush tax cuts on the rich, and the unfunded prescription drug bill.

ah, yes. It’s Bush’s fault. Now that’s nuance

257 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:33:31pm

re: #249 avanti

Well, you could point out what it was when he took the job, most of that from the Bush tax cuts on the rich, and the unfunded prescription drug bill.

The 1.3TB (tera bucks) is this year’s alone.

258 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:33:43pm

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, there’s that. NPH can’t do wrong.

259 Racer X  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:34:04pm

re: #249 avanti

Well, you could point out what it was when he took the job, most of that from the Bush tax cuts on the rich, and the unfunded prescription drug bill.

But did Obama have to double down? In a horrible economy?

260 generalsparky  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:34:39pm

re: #253 SanFranciscoZionist

I saw a few episodes of Big Love at a friend’s house, and would like to see it from the beginning. But my husband is already moaning that the first season of Ugly Betty is taking too long to process through the Netflix.

Big Love is great! I love The Tudors because I am an Anglophile, but there is just something about Big Love that is addictive. Is Ugly Betty any good?

261 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:35:20pm

I need a new Trek series that doesn’t suck…
:(

262 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:35:25pm

gnite all…

263 Irenicum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:35:38pm

re: #255 Gus 802

Oooh, I’m sure they’d run circles around the competition!

264 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:36:23pm

re: #254 tradewind

24 looks like it might be good again this season. Try The Mentalist and Castle, you might like them. And Lost returns tomorrow, thank goodness.
There’s a new show set in Portland called Life Unexpected that’s promising as well.

I hope to finally get to watch the episodes of Life Unexpected in got on Tivo this week. I’ve been working on Monday nights and haven’t had a chance to watch it yet.

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:36:31pm

re: #242 Gus 802

Not even Victor Mature or Kirk Douglas? /

I’m not a big sword-and-sandal gal. Except for Spartacus.

I do love the story about the conversation between the director and Stephen Boyd about adding a homoerotic undertone in Ben Hur. Apparently the director was going to discuss it with Charlton Heston. Boyd said “No way. I know Charlton. He won’t be able to handle it. Let me take care of it. I’ll work it in, and he’ll never notice.”

266 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:37:15pm

re: #213 Cato the Elder

Bull. Reagan had a clearly understandable set of lies, damned lies and statistics that he could reel off like a sideshow barker. And the voting rubes bought it like beer at a baseball game in August.

Then he proceeded to do what his corporate owners told him to do, regardless of consequences.

Reagan: The Great Prevaricator.

Or was G.H.W. Bush just plain wrong when he talked of “voodoo economics”?

When Carter left office I had a 17% mortgage.

When Reagan left office I had an 8% mortgage.

I guess we could re-build the Berlin Wall and try to get the Soviet Union back together.

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:37:23pm

re: #258 tradewind

Yeah, there’s that. NPH can’t do wrong.

NPH?

268 Irenicum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:37:40pm

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

What does that say about the director….and about Charlton?

269 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:37:45pm

re: #256 cliffster

ah, yes. It’s Bush’s fault. Now that’s nuance

No, it is Obama’s responsibility. He also deserves credit for ending the Recession/Depression he was saddled with by his predecessor. Yeah, now he’s got a big deficit, two wars and double digit unemployment. Big challenges.

270 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:38:00pm

re: #260 generalsparky

Big Love is great! I love The Tudors because I am an Anglophile, but there is just something about Big Love that is addictive. Is Ugly Betty any good?

I enjoy it. The family is very engaging, and America Ferrera is a wonderful actress. Plus, Salma Hayek is in it.

271 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:38:25pm

re: #266 rwmofo

When Carter left office I had a 17% mortgage.

When Reagan left office I had an 8% mortgage.

I guess we could re-build the Berlin Wall and try to get the Soviet Union back together.

Oh, SNAP!

272 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:38:26pm

re: #259 Racer X

But did Obama have to double down? In a horrible economy?

Current total debt -debt ceiling

273 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:38:35pm

Blaming previous admins. is pointless, regardless if they’re to blame or not.

274 generalsparky  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:38:57pm

re: #254 tradewind

24 looks like it might be good again this season. Try The Mentalist and Castle, you might like them. And Lost returns tomorrow, thank goodness.
There’s a new show set in Portland called Life Unexpected that’s promising as well.

My husband and I watched the first couple of seasons of Lost. Then he got pissed because they did some advertisement on the last episode of season 2 about how all your questions being answered or something. Of course they weren’t and it left you with even more questions. So we stopped watching it but I probably should order them on Netflix. Is this the last season?

And thanks for the other suggestions. We don’t have cable and I find commercials annoying, so my regular tv watching is rather limited.

275 Irenicum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:39:11pm

re: #261 Varek Raith

The last one I watched that I actually liked was DS9. Nothing since then.

276 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:39:30pm

re: #256 cliffster

ah, yes. It’s Bush’s fault. Now that’s nuance

OK, some facts:
“Reagan proved deficits don’t matter,” Vice President Cheney said in 2002 when pushing for a fresh round of tax cuts. With this attitude in hand, Bush passed on a budgetary nightmare to his successor. Bush came into office with an advantage few presidents have enjoyed — a $230 billion surplus. But due to a $1.35 trillion tax cut in 2001, a $1.5 trillion tax cut in 2003, and a massive defense buildup through the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Bush quickly blew through that surplus. The next president will “inherit a fiscal meltdown,” Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-ND) warned in February 2008, as the Bush administration projected a budget deficit of $400 billion. After the financial crisis emerged last fall and the ensuing bailouts, Bush’s budget deficit ballooned to over $1 trillion. As Center for American Progress Vice President for Economic Policy Michael Ettlinger explained, budget deficits swelled under Bush because his supply-side tax policies slashed revenues while failing to deliver strong economic performance.”

No question Obama is still spending like mad, but at least he’s trying to roll back the Busk tax cuts for those making over 250 K. BTW, both Bush and Obama did the right thing with TARP, but it did add to the dept.

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:39:38pm

re: #268 Irenicum

What does that say about the director…and about Charlton?

Not entirely sure, but the fact that Boyd wanted to save his costar from a panic attack strikes me as funny.

278 Racer X  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:40:00pm

re: #273 Varek Raith

Blaming previous admins. is pointless, regardless if they’re to blame or not.

Can you please forward that info to the current administration? Thanks.

279 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:40:33pm

re: #275 Irenicum

The last one I watched that I actually liked was DS9. Nothing since then.

I liked DS9. Voyager was, meh, but somewhat watchable. Enterprise was a kit bashed Akira class. :/
Nerd Rage!

280 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:40:56pm

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not a big sword-and-sandal gal. Except for Spartacus.

I do love the story about the conversation between the director and Stephen Boyd about adding a homoerotic undertone in Ben Hur. Apparently the director was going to discuss it with Charlton Heston. Boyd said “No way. I know Charlton. He won’t be able to handle it. Let me take care of it. I’ll work it in, and he’ll never notice.”

That’s pretty funny. Charlton Heston and his accidental homoerotic scenes. I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew what was going on. Heston was kind of a hip guy. He stood up for civil rights in the 60s. None of this was new to him or any of the other actors from that era. It was around. Ronald Reagan saw it as well as Jimmy Stewart but that never stopped them.

281 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:41:35pm

re: #266 rwmofo

When Carter left office I had a 17% mortgage.

When Reagan left office I had an 8% mortgage.

I guess we could re-build the Berlin Wall and try to get the Soviet Union back together.

Yes, but all that crap was Carter’s fault. I remember all the speeches Reagan gave - it was always “Carter’s mess here and Carter’s mess there”.

/in case

282 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:41:48pm

re: #279 Varek Raith

I liked DS9. Voyager was, meh, but somewhat watchable. Enterprise was a kit bashed Akira class. :/
Nerd Rage!

Have you figured out how to turn that Nerd Rage into a new Dark Side power?

283 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:42:10pm

re: #274 generalsparky
Yes, it’s the last season. It’s a show that needs watching via the dvds to catch up and concentrate on, or it was for me.
I don’t watch commercials, either, or television programs when they air… just dvr ‘em and knock them off in a chunk…. it just seems like better entertainment that way and you can schedule it. An hour program turns into forty something minutes.

284 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:42:41pm
285 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:01pm

re: #266 rwmofo

When Carter left office I had a 17% mortgage.

When Reagan left office I had an 8% mortgage.

I guess we could re-build the Berlin Wall and try to get the Soviet Union back together.

Uh, the Berlin wall didn’t come down under Reagan. It was under Bush.

Looking at the historical mortgage rates:

1979 under Carter: 11.20
1983 under Reagan: 13.24
1987 under Reagan: 10.21
1991 under Bush: 9.25
1995 under Clinton: 7.81

286 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:12pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

Have you figured out how to turn that Nerd Rage into a new Dark Side power?

Not yet, but when I do, I suspect it’ll shatter the fabric of reality!
Muhahaha!
:)

287 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:19pm

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

Oh, SNAP!

Don’t forget, Reagan came in with a bad economy too, once it turned around, his polling went way up. Much of the dissatisfaction with Obama is that it’s not happened as fast as the public likes. If in a year or two, things are much better, he’ll be reelected, if it does not, he’s history.

288 Racer X  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:22pm
Saturday Night Blue Collar Brew Review – Founders Breakfast Stout

Let us pour.

The beer poured looking almost like spent motor oil. Really, really dark brown, The head came up to about a half-inch of dark chocolatey goodness and slowly dissipated. Looking into the glass contents revealed nothing, even when held up next to the desk lamp lightbulb. It was dense. It was dark. It was a black hole in a Duvel glass. The aroma was very slight with almost imperceptible beer smells.

As I took the first sip, I felt how viscous the beer was in my mouth. It seemed thicker. At the swallow the flavors exploded. The coffee was first and foremost, followed by just a hint of chocolate. Then I felt the warm line trace its way down my gullet. This was one helluva beer.

This was a double-barreled shotgun blast full of coffee flavor. It was as if I grabbed a tablespoonful of Folgers and chewed on it for awhile. To call the middle flavors robust would not be doing this beer ample justice. This tasted like a big beer and at 8.3% ABV it could be classified as just that.

Very dark, burnt and roasted malts filled in around the coffee flavor. As each sip went down, a tinge a chocolatey sweet was dabbed on the sides of my tongue. There was an overall silkiness or creaminess to the beer as well. I’ll credit the oatmeal for that characteristic. Surprisingly, with 60 IBUs as noted on the neck label, the bitterness blends in well with all of the other massive flavors.

I really like beer. This guy does a wonderful job in his beer reviews. Makes me want to go buy a nice stout right now.

289 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:28pm

re: #224 Cato the Elder

Next up: a reality show that lets viewers decided whether cancer patients go for rads and chemo or acupuncture and healing aromas.

This is so guaranteed to be a hit that I’m appending this:

Copyright 2010 Cato the Elder LLC

Too late, sort of. This.

290 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:33pm

re: #267 SanFranciscoZionist
Neil Patrick Harris.

291 Stanley Sea  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:44pm

Steve - you still here? Just read that Jay Novacek’s wife committed suicide. Ugh.

wfaa.com

292 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:43:48pm

re: #285 Olsonist

Uh, the Berlin wall didn’t come down under Reagan. It was under Bush.

Looking at the historical mortgage rates:

1979 under Carter: 11.20
1983 under Reagan: 13.24
1987 under Reagan: 10.21
1991 under Bush: 9.25
1995 under Clinton: 7.81

I miss the 90s.

293 palomino  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:44:13pm

re: #249 avanti

Well, you could point out what it was when he took the job, most of that from the Bush tax cuts on the rich, and the unfunded prescription drug bill.

Yeah, that’s the honest thing to do. Coming close to a balanced budget now is impossible due to the things you cite plus declining tax revenue in a down economy.

But when partisans have points to score in a 24/7 cycle, then the deficit becomes “all Obama’s fault as he pushes us toward socialism.”

294 Irenicum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:45:14pm

re: #279 Varek Raith

The opening 2 part episode of DS9 was amazing. Very emotional for me, since I related to the main character’s loss so closely. Very well done. And the show had some good character development during its run.

295 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:45:21pm

re: #252 Irenicum
A blot…. not.
Maybe a little spatter.

296 Irenicum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:46:00pm

re: #277 SanFranciscoZionist

But, but, but, butt!

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:46:03pm

re: #290 tradewind

Neil Patrick Harris.

Oh. Yes. (Sorry, confused threads.) He’s amazing. My husband loves him as Barney in How I Met Your Mother.

298 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:46:18pm

re: #292 Gus 802

I miss the 90s.

Good times.

299 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:46:33pm

re: #284 cliffster

This recession with crush your balls

All Your Base Are Belong To Us!!

/keeping with the syntax error theme

300 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:46:46pm

re: #287 avanti

Don’t forget, Reagan came in with a bad economy too, once it turned around, his polling went way up. Much of the dissatisfaction with Obama is that it’s not happened as fast as the public likes. If in a year or two, things are much better, he’ll be reelected, if it does not, he’s history.

Obama campaigned against the deficits that Bush created. He hated those deficits so much that he tripled them.

301 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:46:50pm

re: #293 palomino

Yeah, that’s the honest thing to do. Coming close to a balanced budget now is impossible due to the things you cite plus declining tax revenue in a down economy.

But when partisans have points to score in a 24/7 cycle, then the deficit becomes “all Obama’s fault as he pushes us toward socialism.”

If Obama wanted to pass the health care bill, he could just not fund it, and cut taxes on the rich and it’ll all be good./

302 Stanley Sea  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:47:05pm

Over & out folks.

303 Silvergirl  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:47:12pm

re: #226 avanti

They may be smart enough, they just don’t relate to over complicated speeches. We remember “It’s the economy stupid” or “drill baby drill”, but not a complicated explanation of economics, or energy policies.

You forgot “Yes we can” And Hope n change.

304 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:47:37pm

re: #293 palomino

Yeah, that’s the honest thing to do. Coming close to a balanced budget now is impossible due to the things you cite plus declining tax revenue in a down economy.

But when partisans have points to score in a 24/7 cycle, then the deficit becomes “all Obama’s fault as he pushes us toward socialism.”

2006 - Democrats take over Congress. GOP has no power other than veto power.

How was the economy doing right up til 2006?

305 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:47:39pm

re: #292 Gus 802

I miss the 90s.

As do I.

306 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:47:51pm

re: #298 SanFranciscoZionist

Good times.

Bill Clinton was a very good president. In retrospect I think Hillary Clinton would have made a fine president.

307 palomino  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:48:13pm

re: #256 cliffster

ah, yes. It’s Bush’s fault. Now that’s nuance

Well, Bush did support those policies and they’ve contributed to the deficit ever since.

Would you have people ignore recent history and just pretend Bush made no mistakes?

308 Irenicum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:48:26pm

re: #281 Van Helsing

Blame shifting isn’t just the American way, it’s the human way. It’s beyond bipartisan.

309 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:48:33pm

I don’t miss the 90s! Course, I was still in grade school…
:P

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:48:35pm

re: #306 Gus 802

Bill Clinton was a very good president. In retrospect I think Hillary Clinton would have made a fine president.

Muttermuttermutter…HILLARY!!!!!!

311 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:48:44pm

re: #281 Van Helsing

Yes, but all that crap was Carter’s fault. I remember all the speeches Reagan gave - it was always “Carter’s mess here and Carter’s mess there”.

/in case

Excellent. It’s a wunnerful thang, ain’t it? Heh.

312 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:49:09pm

re: #309 Varek Raith

I don’t miss the 90s! Course, I was still in grade school…
:P

Show off! Why you kids…

//

313 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:49:33pm

re: #300 Van Helsing

Obama campaigned against the deficits that Bush created. He hated those deficits so much that he tripled them.

I think both he and Bush did what they had to do to save the banks and stimulate the economy. If they had not acted, I think we would have had a much bigger problem.

314 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:49:38pm

re: #301 avanti

If Obama wanted to pass the health care bill, he could just not fund it, and cut taxes on the rich and it’ll all be good./

Maybe he could just concentrate on ferreting out all the fraud in Medicare/Medicaid.

If he can do that, the voters might have a better chance of believing in the wonders of his health care proposals.

315 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:50:07pm

re: #300 Van Helsing
And Bush had an actual unforeseen event (9-11) that torpedoed the budget. Literally.
Even so, he didn’t whine about it (re the economy) as long or loudly as Obama already has about The Bush Years.

316 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:50:55pm

re: #307 palomino
Like that’s a possibility.////

317 Irenicum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:50:56pm

re: #295 tradewind

So it seems.

318 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:51:04pm

re: #285 Olsonist

Uh, the Berlin wall didn’t come down under Reagan. It was under Bush.

Looking at the historical mortgage rates:

1979 under Carter: 11.20
1983 under Reagan: 13.24
1987 under Reagan: 10.21
1991 under Bush: 9.25
1995 under Clinton: 7.81

OK, but I was telling the truth about my two mortgages referenced above. But the only reason they were so low under Clinton is because Newt was the Speaker of the House and he insisted on fiscal responsibility. I miss Newt.

319 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:51:12pm

SOP, all current problems are blamed on the previous admin. Happens. Every. Time.
Wheee!

320 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:51:55pm

re: #319 Varek Raith
But the statute of limitations applies, and this one has run. Someone should let the administration know.

321 palomino  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:51:59pm

re: #269 Olsonist

No, it is Obama’s responsibility. He also deserves credit for ending the Recession/Depression he was saddled with by his predecessor. Yeah, now he’s got a big deficit, two wars and double digit unemployment. Big challenges.

Exactly, it’s one thing—entirely legitimate—for republicans to criticize Obama for not taking care of his responsibilities as president.

It’s quite another thing for the gop to rewrite history and claim this is all Obama’s fault, that none of his problems are carryovers from former presidents.

322 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:52:20pm

re: #315 tradewind

And Bush had an actual unforeseen event (9-11) that torpedoed the budget. Literally.
Even so, he didn’t whine about it (re the economy) as long or loudly as Obama already has about The Bush Years.

On the other hand, Bush never admitted to there being any problems, so he really never needed to whine.

323 Silvergirl  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:52:29pm

I’m going to go watch my last episode of Pushing Daisies so I can get into tomorrow’s mail.

Good-night!

324 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:52:35pm

re: #318 rwmofo

OK, but I was telling the truth about my two mortgages referenced above. But the only reason they were so low under Clinton is because Newt was the Speaker of the House and he insisted on fiscal responsibility. I miss Newt.

Good point. Government actually runs rather well with two counter parties in power. One party in congress while another in the White House.

325 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:52:40pm

re: #301 avanti

If Obama wanted to pass the health care bill, he could just not fund it, and cut taxes on the rich and it’ll all be good./

I’m totally cool with an unfunded health bill:

end preexisting conditions exclusion (doesn’t cost anything)
tort reform (doesn’t cost anything)
tax cadillac plans (opposite of costs something)

Done.

326 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:53:09pm

Bush inherited the Clinton recession, but we probably should not speak of that. The recover was, well, just not fair you know…

327 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:53:13pm

re: #318 rwmofo
The only reason Clinton had a halfway successful presidency is that Newt Gingrich forced it on him.//

328 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:53:30pm

re: #307 palomino

Well, Bush did support those policies and they’ve contributed to the deficit ever since.

Would you have people ignore recent history and just pretend Bush made no mistakes?

The discussion was about how Obama is too “nuanced”. It’s Bush’s Fault is not very nuanced. It’s all about following the thread.

329 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:53:44pm

re: #315 tradewind

And Bush had an actual unforeseen event (9-11) that torpedoed the budget. Literally.
Even so, he didn’t whine about it (re the economy) as long or loudly as Obama already has about The Bush Years.

If he was a real fiscal conservative, he would not have signed off on unfunded programs and cut taxes in a down economy and while fighting two wars. If he had just passed on the tax cut for the rich, he might have not used up the surplus, or at least left a smaller debt.

330 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:54:01pm

re: #315 tradewind

And Bush had an actual unforeseen event (9-11) that torpedoed the budget. Literally.
Even so, he didn’t whine about it (re the economy) as long or loudly as Obama already has about The Bush Years.

We’re still recovering from 911.

Damn those bastards.

331 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:54:09pm

re: #315 tradewind

Indeed.

I do believe that the bank bailouts were necessary. I don’t think I can be convinced that the stimulus spending has done any good.
I think that what got us through the 80s and early 2000 recessions was having more confidence in the path the government was taking.

332 Irenicum  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:54:35pm

G’nite kiddos. See ya on the other side.

333 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:54:56pm

re: #261 Varek Raith

I need a new Trek series that doesn’t suck…
:(

Why should they start doing that now? They have a winning formula of suck that has worked for decades.
/hater

334 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:08pm

re: #322 SanFranciscoZionist

On the other hand, Bush never admitted to there being any problems, so he really never needed to whine.

That’s just silly. But then again, you know that.

335 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:15pm

Going to bed myself.

Night all.

336 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:22pm

Cynic mode ON!

Dems = Raise taxes and SPEND!
Reps = Cut taxes and SPEND!
;)
/Cynic mode

337 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:23pm

re: #319 Varek Raith

SOP, all current problems are blamed on the previous admin. Happens. Every. Time.
Wheee!

Bush never blamed Clinton for the surplus, but otherwise, you are correct.

338 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:31pm

re: #329 avanti
No one can convince me that Bush was a fiscal conservative, unfortunately. But it’s a known fact that cutting tax rates raises revenues, something the Democrats have never grasped…. that is, post JFK. He got it.

339 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:44pm

re: #335 SanFranciscoZionist

Going to bed myself.

Night all.

You can’t leave now!

Later SFZ.

340 Dad O' Blondes  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:48pm

re: #281 Van Helsing

Yes, but all that crap was Carter’s fault. I remember all the speeches Reagan gave - it was always “Carter’s mess here and Carter’s mess there”.

/in case

Bingo — it sure was Carter’s fault. And every time he opens his mouth, he proves just what a ninny he is.

.

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:55:52pm

re: #334 cliffster

That’s just silly. But then again, you know that.

I suppose I didn’t.

342 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:56:06pm

re: #329 avanti

If he was a real fiscal conservative, he would not have signed off on unfunded programs and cut taxes in a down economy and while fighting two wars. If he had just passed on the tax cut for the rich, he might have not used up the surplus, or at least left a smaller debt.

Bush was not a fiscal conservative and never claimed same. Much to the chagrin of many on the right.

343 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:56:23pm

re: #337 avanti

Bush never blamed Clinton for the surplus, but otherwise, you are correct.

We were in a recession going into the Bush administration. This much is true.

344 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:56:41pm

re: #336 Varek Raith

Cynic mode ON!

Dems = Raise taxes and SPEND!
Reps = Cut taxes and SPEND!
;)
/Cynic mode

Sadly, that’s it, in a nutshell.

345 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:57:23pm

re: #318 rwmofo

OK, but I was telling the truth about my two mortgages referenced above. But the only reason they were so low under Clinton is because Newt was the Speaker of the House and he insisted on fiscal responsibility. I miss Newt.

I didn’t say you weren’t. Mortgages vary. But those were the national averages for Freddie Mac.

Nope, Newt was not the Secretary of the Treasury nor was he on the Federal Reserve Board. Newt was exceptional in creating a winning strategy for breaking the long running Democratic hold on the House. But once in power, he really didn’t accomplish much. The government shutdown was a self serving failure. The people did *not* rally to his side. He was reprimanded by his own House. Basically he was a failure at governance.

346 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:57:44pm

Sigh, I feel a Trekkie rant coming over me….
:)

347 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:57:49pm

re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist

I suppose I didn’t.

night, SFZ

348 palomino  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:58:25pm

re: #304 cliffster

2006 - Democrats take over Congress. GOP has no power other than veto power.

How was the economy doing right up til 2006?

You’ve got a good grasp on your revisionist history and talking points.

Please explain what the Dems did in 2007-early 2008 that destroyed an economy being previously saved by the GOP? And where was Bush in all this?

349 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:58:52pm

re: #337 avanti
Nor did he whine about the recession Clinton left him coming in.//

350 Van Helsing  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:58:57pm

re: #340 Dad O’ Blondes

Bingo — it sure was Carter’s fault. And every time he opens his mouth, he proves just what a ninny he is.

.

He recently admitted that the “Peace, not Apartheid” title of his book was somewhat of a mistake.

I’m sure it had nothing to do with a nephews(?) bid for office.

If only Jimmy had just STFU and kept hammering nails with Habitat…

351 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 9:59:23pm

re: #285 Olsonist

Uh, the Berlin wall didn’t come down under Reagan. It was under Bush.

Looking at the historical mortgage rates:

1979 under Carter: 11.20
1983 under Reagan: 13.24
1987 under Reagan: 10.21
1991 under Bush: 9.25
1995 under Clinton: 7.81

One more thing. That’s a strange statistical sample you’re using. Every four years can’t really show the peaks and valleys - well except for the downward trends that Reagan created. Ya figure Reagan came in in 1981 and any results from legislation he signed wouldn’t take effect until 1982, so Carter’s boat-anchor is buried between ‘79 and ‘81. By 1983 Reagan had reversed Carter’s mess.

352 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:00:29pm

re: #351 rwmofo

It was every four years at the end of a Presidential term. So 1979 was definitely Carter, 1983 was Reagan, …

353 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:01:32pm

re: #344 avanti

Sadly, that’s it, in a nutshell.

Both points well taken. So now we have the Dems furtively casting about for stealth taxes, and the Pubs hiding from reality.

Not a one anywhere willing to put the kaibosh on the check book.

354 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:01:33pm

re: #343 cliffster

We were in a recession going into the Bush administration. This much is true.

Ah, the famous, Clinton recession of lore.

Backdating the recession.

355 Dad O' Blondes  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:02:17pm

Well kids,

A long time ago, way back in November, 2008 - I did post here that there would come a day when we, all of us, would miss President George Herbert Walker Bush.

And after watching Obama on You Tube, I miss “W” more than ever.

Oh, by the way, just where is KSM being tried now? Is it West Point? Or is it White Plains?

Pfft.

.

356 tradewind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:02:22pm

Goodnight…out like the Dem majority in ‘10….

357 palomino  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:03:47pm

re: #328 cliffster

The discussion was about how Obama is too “nuanced”. It’s Bush’s Fault is not very nuanced. It’s all about following the thread.

Wrong, this thread like most others is about a lot of things at once and constantly shifting.

Don’t presume to the definer (or “decider” if you prefer) of the meaning of a thread.

358 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:03:47pm

re: #324 Gus 802

Good point. Government actually runs rather well with two counter parties in power. One party in congress while another in the White House.

I’ve thought about that. If I could have two out of three, I’d want a Republican President and House and a Democrat Senate.

359 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:04:50pm

re: #356 tradewind

Goodnight…out like the Dem majority in ‘10…

[Smiles]

360 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:04:59pm

re: #355 Dad O’ Blondes

Well kids,

A long time ago, way back in November, 2008 - I did post here that there would come a day when we, all of us, would miss President George Herbert Walker Bush.

And after watching Obama on You Tube, I miss “W” more than ever.

Oh, by the way, just where is KSM being tried now? Is it West Point? Or is it White Plains?

Pfft.

.

The only reason why KSM isn’t being tried in New Jack City where he should be is because of weak kneed conservatives.

361 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:05:31pm

re: #355 Dad O’ Blondes

Well kids,

A long time ago, way back in November, 2008 - I did post here that there would come a day when we, all of us, would miss President George Herbert Walker Bush.

And after watching Obama on You Tube, I miss “W” more than ever.

Oh, by the way, just where is KSM being tried now? Is it West Point? Or is it White Plains?

Pfft.

.

If the President really wants a show trial, as evidently he does, he will turn KSM and his buds over the Judge Judy. Let’s see them pull some shit there, ey?

362 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:05:45pm

re: #360 Olsonist

The only reason why KSM isn’t being tried in New Jack City where he should be is because of weak kneed conservatives.

Hell, try the bastard in Arlington.

363 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:05:57pm

Wow. Didn’t expect this.

France Concorde crash trial set to begin

Looks like they’re trying to pin the blame on a Continental DC-10. Connie mechanic, Concorde engineer, et al. Manslaughter charges.

364 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:05:59pm

re: #337 avanti

Bush never blamed Clinton for the surplus, but otherwise, you are correct.

Heh. Good one. Never heard it put that way.

I’ll remember you.

/

365 palomino  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:06:04pm

re: #338 tradewind

No one can convince me that Bush was a fiscal conservative, unfortunately. But it’s a known fact that cutting tax rates raises revenues, something the Democrats have never grasped… that is, post JFK. He got it.

Only up to a certain point and only in certain economic conditions.

Try cutting the top marginal rate down to 10%, and see if you raise revenues.//

366 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:06:36pm

re: #357 palomino

Wrong, this thread like most others is about a lot of things at once and constantly shifting.

Don’t presume to the definer (or “decider” if you prefer) of the meaning of a thread.

Your interpretation of thread and mine are different in this case. Call it a subthread. I was responding to someone’s comment. Then you jumped in with something unrelated. So thread = “what we were talking about”. Don’t presume to define what it is that I am talking about

367 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:06:43pm

re: #360 Olsonist

The only reason why KSM isn’t being tried in New Jack City where he should be is because of weak kneed conservatives.


What an odd declaration.

368 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:07:06pm

re: #34 webevintage

It is not bowing. It is a tall man leaning down to hear what people are saying to him, it is called being gracious and having good manners.
I don’t get why people have a problem with that…

My husband does it all the time. As he is shaking hands he bends in or leans down to hear what others say because he is so tall.

Which is much appreciated by people like me who stand at 5’6”.

369 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:07:25pm

re: #358 rwmofo

I’ve thought about that. If I could have two out of three, I’d want a Republican President and House and a Democrat Senate.

That works. I’d take Harry Reid over Nancy Pelosi any day.

370 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:08:22pm

re: #360 Olsonist

The only reason why KSM isn’t being tried in New Jack City where he should be is because of weak kneed conservatives.

Wrong. He’s not being tried there because it would be very disruptive to get the needed level of security. You can’t have the area around the Federal Courthouse under ultra-tight security for months on end, the disruption of commerce and traffic are simply too severe. Much better to hold the trial in a more secure location.

371 rwmofo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:08:47pm

re: #345 Olsonist

I didn’t say you weren’t. Mortgages vary. But those were the national averages for Freddie Mac.

Nope, Newt was not the Secretary of the Treasury nor was he on the Federal Reserve Board. Newt was exceptional in creating a winning strategy for breaking the long running Democratic hold on the House. But once in power, he really didn’t accomplish much. The government shutdown was a self serving failure. The people did *not* rally to his side. He was reprimanded by his own House. Basically he was a failure at governance.

Ummm, I think balancing the budget was a considerable accomplishment.

I look forward to sparring with you another day. It just hit midnight CST here.

372 avanti  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:09:21pm

re: #369 Gus 802

That works. I’d take Harry Reid over Nancy Pelosi any day.

I’d take most anyone over Nancy myself, I’m not a fan.

373 srb1976  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:09:53pm

re: #368 eclectic infidel

Which is much appreciated by people like me who stand at 5’6”.

Hell, from where I’m standing 5’6” is tall….I have a co-worker who is nearly 7’ tall….he has to bend nearly double to hear what I’m saying (high background noise level)

374 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:10:09pm

re: #369 Gus 802

That works. I’d take Harry Reid over Nancy Pelosi any day.

Who wouldn’t? Reid can be negotiated with, Pelosi is a liberal ideologue.

375 The Shadow Do  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:10:26pm

re: #362 Varek Raith

Hell, try the bastard in Arlington.

I’d try him in Marshall, Texas. No press allowed. Y’all get an invite to the execution though. Should cost about a hundred bucks, a few hours, and that includes parking and lunch for the jury.

/what in the hell is wrong with us.

376 Dad O' Blondes  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:10:27pm

re: #362 Varek Raith

Damn right.

KSM should be tried on the CVN Ronald Reagan. 50 miles off Manhattan. And 45 miles south of Ambrose Light.

It’d be over in two days.

And we’d even hear the news that he was hung from a yardarm.

And that, is as it should be.

.

377 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:10:53pm

re: #374 Dark_Falcon

Who wouldn’t? Reid can be negotiated with, Pelosi is a liberal ideologue.

Exactly. That’s what I noticed about Reid.

378 palomino  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:12:15pm

re: #366 cliffster

Your interpretation of thread and mine are different in this case. Call it a subthread. I was responding to someone’s comment. Then you jumped in with something unrelated. So thread = “what we were talking about”. Don’t presume to define what it is that I am talking about

Really, in the relatively chaotic environment of a comment board, you want to play hall monitor?

379 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:12:42pm

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

Wrong. He’s not being tried there because it would be very disruptive to get the needed level of security. You can’t have the area around the Federal Courthouse under ultra-tight security for months on end, the disruption of commerce and traffic are simply too severe. Much better to hold the trial in a more secure location.

We’ve tried several other AQ types in NYC. This guy is no different. Weak kneed conservatives.

380 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:12:50pm

re: #378 palomino

Really, in the relatively chaotic environment of a comment board, you want to play hall monitor?

Yes, you shall submit to my authority.

381 palomino  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:13:57pm

re: #380 cliffster

Yes, you shall submit to my authority.

OK, that’s just too harsh. You win.

382 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:14:06pm

re: #380 cliffster

Yes, you shall submit to my authority.


Authoritah!

383 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:14:16pm

re: #374 Dark_Falcon

Who wouldn’t? Reid can be negotiated with, Pelosi is a liberal ideologue.

Wrong. Pelosi is Speaker of the House which is winner take all. The majority pretty much does what it wants. Reid is Majority Leader of the Senate where the minority has significant power and any single Senator can derail legislation and appointments. Mrs. Apple meet Mr. Orange.

384 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:14:41pm

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist

But the writer’s strike gave us Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog!

Bad Horse

He rides across the nation
The thoroughbred of sin

385 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:14:55pm

re: #382 Varek Raith

Authoritah!

Straight up, bitch

386 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:17:16pm

re: #376 Dad O’ Blondes

Damn right.

KSM should be tried on the CVN Ronald Reagan. 50 miles off Manhattan. And 45 miles south of Ambrose Light.

It’d be over in two days.

And we’d even hear the news that he was hung from a yardarm.

And that, is as it should be.

.

That probably wouldn’t work. The USS Ronald Reagan is 5th and 7th Fleet. You would need the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower which would be part of the 2nd Fleet out of Norfolk.

/

387 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:17:56pm

re: #379 Olsonist

Sane Minded conservatives.

Corrected to remove liberal spin.

388 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:19:56pm

Man, monthly manga releases are torturous!
:/

389 laZardo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:20:49pm

re: #388 Varek Raith

Man, monthly manga releases are torturous!
:/

That’s why I stopped buying back in ‘06. Although I would like to get the last two volumes of Chobits.

/so, so ronery…

390 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:20:53pm

re: #383 Olsonist

More relevant, IMO, is the fact that Pelosi represents a very liberal district in San Fransisco, while Reid represents the much more conservative state of Nevada.

391 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:21:30pm
392 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:21:32pm

re: #387 Dark_Falcon

Corrected to remove liberal spin.

Sorry, but when you’re agreeing with Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, you don’t get to use the adjective sane.

393 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:22:11pm

Wow. How come no one told me they were making a movie mocking far right reactionaries?
/

Youtube Video

394 srb1976  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:23:15pm

re: #393 Slumbering Behemoth

Now, to be fair, there is plenty of crazy to go around….on both sides….

395 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:23:19pm

re: #390 Dark_Falcon

More relevant, IMO, is the fact that Pelosi represents a very liberal district in San Fransisco, while Reid represents the much more conservative state of Nevada.

I don’t think you know San Francisco very well. It hasn’t had a gay mayor. Houston has.

396 laZardo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:23:28pm

re: #393 Slumbering Behemoth

Wow. How come no one told me they were remaking a movie mocking far right reactionaries?

Fix’d.

Youtube Video

/wth is it with the George Romero fixation these days?

397 blueraven  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:25:20pm

re: #315 tradewind

And Bush had an actual unforeseen event (9-11) that torpedoed the budget. Literally.
Even so, he didn’t whine about it (re the economy) as long or loudly as Obama already has about The Bush Years.

And then he took a completely rational turn and attacked a country that had nothing to do with that event (9-11). That didn’t blow the budget much. /

398 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:25:32pm

re: #395 Olsonist

I don’t think you know San Francisco very well. It hasn’t had a gay mayor. Houston has.

You forgot Harvey Milk.

399 laZardo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:25:54pm

re: #395 Olsonist

I don’t think you know San Francisco very well. It hasn’t had a gay mayor. Houston has.

It had (sorta), then he got shot.

/and then Sean Penn made a movie about it.

400 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:26:11pm

re: #398 Gus 802

Oops, he wasn’t mayor.

401 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:26:18pm

re: #392 Olsonist

Sorry, but when you’re agreeing with Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, you don’t get to use the adjective sane.

So because I’m arguing against a trial in downtown Manhattan, I’m somehow weak-kneed or crazy? Nice. Stay classy, Olsonist, keep showing how reasonable liberals are.

402 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:27:16pm

re: #398 Gus 802

You forgot Harvey Milk.

Did I? Was he mayor? Actually that was Moscone then Feinstein then Jordan then Brown then Newsome.

403 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:27:26pm

re: #392 Olsonist

Book tentatively titled “Of Stopped Clocks & Blind Squirrels”.

Honestly though, I don’t give a shit where they try that motherfucker, I just wish they’d just do it and get it the fuck over with. I am getting sick and tired of hearing all the gawt-damned whining from both sides of the aisle on this issue.

404 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:27:33pm

Anywho, the point stands. Harry Reid is easier to deal with than Nancy Pelosi.

405 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:27:40pm

re: #392 Olsonist

Sorry, but when you’re agreeing with Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, you don’t get to use the adjective sane.

I don’t like this style of arguing. Beck thinks the sky’s blue! So do I. Therefore I’m…crazy???

406 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:29:48pm

re: #405 Varek Raith

I don’t like this style of arguing. Beck thinks the sky’s blue! So do I. Therefore I’m…crazy???

You oppose Keynesian economics! Therefore you must be for the Austrian school if not Lew Rockwell!

407 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:29:59pm

re: #404 Gus 802

Anywho, the point stands. Harry Reid is easier to deal with than Nancy Pelosi.

Actually, I totally agree. But Pelosi by the nature of her office doesn’t really have to deal. Neither did Newt or whomever.

408 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:30:38pm

re: #406 Gus 802

You oppose Keynesian economics! Therefore you must be for the Austrian school if not Lew Rockwell!

ZOMG!!111 I…wait, don’t scare me like that!111!
:)

409 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:31:02pm

re: #405 Varek Raith

I don’t like this style of arguing. Beck thinks the sky’s blue! So do I. Therefore I’m…crazy???

I’m pretty sure the sky is blue but if you say that Beck says it’s blue, I’m gonna check again.

410 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:32:19pm

re: #407 Olsonist

Actually, I totally agree. But Pelosi by the nature of her office doesn’t really have to deal. Neither did Newt or whomever.

OK Technically she has less power. But she’s taken the leadership role upon herself and gets a great deal of air time. Frankly, I think she’s a huge liability for the Democratic party and if they were smart they’d replace her pronto.

411 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:32:59pm

re: #409 Olsonist

I’m pretty sure the sky is blue but if you say that Beck says it’s blue, I’m gonna check again.

Yeah, see, that gets downright silly. Beck say we need oxygen. He probably thinks we need food. Bathrooms?
See, silly!
:)

412 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:33:36pm

re: #394 srb1976

Now, to be fair, there is plenty of crazy to go around…on both sides…

I wouldn’t disagree with you in the slightest. Yet it seems the far right wing reactionaries (always have been crazy, always will) have cranked up their crazy factor way past eleven.

413 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:34:17pm

re: #412 Slumbering Behemoth

I wouldn’t disagree with you in the slightest. Yet it seems the far right wing reactionaries (always have been crazy, always will) have cranked up their crazy factor way past eleven.

Currently standing at; Eleventy-one!11!11

414 TheMatrix31  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:34:57pm

re: #392 Olsonist

Wow.

415 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:35:47pm

re: #411 Varek Raith

Yeah, see, that gets downright silly. Beck say we need oxygen. He probably thinks we need food. Bathrooms?
See, silly!
:)

Is that like those awkward moments when one finds themselves acknowledging the existence of an oligarchy?

416 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:36:24pm

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

So because I’m arguing against a trial in downtown Manhattan, I’m somehow weak-kneed or crazy? Nice. Stay classy, Olsonist, keep showing how reasonable liberals are.

This is a nontroversy stirred up by the Reps. They (you) could just try the guy and get it over with. But for political reasons you don’t want to do that. So y’all stir it up with the typical fear mongering.

New York City was good enough for Ramzi Yousef and Omar Abdel Rahman.

417 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:36:43pm

re: #415 Gus 802

Is that like those awkward moments when one finds themselves acknowledging the existence of an oligarchy?

Oligarhy!… Yes, something like that.
:)

418 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:36:44pm

re: #405 Varek Raith

I don’t like this style of arguing. Beck thinks the sky’s blue! So do I. Therefore I’m…crazy???

No, you’re crazy ‘cuz you think Star Trek is cool. But you knew that already.
:)

419 srb1976  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:37:00pm

re: #412 Slumbering Behemoth

I wouldn’t disagree with you in the slightest. Yet it seems the far right wing reactionaries (always have been crazy, always will) have cranked up their crazy factor way past eleven.

That’s true enough…..

420 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:37:41pm

re: #414 TheMatrix31

Wow.

Thanks.

421 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:38:16pm

re: #417 Varek Raith

Oligarhy!… Yes, something like that.
:)

You know it will be a couple of decades before we elect a president that graduated from Stockton State College.

/

422 TheMatrix31  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:39:21pm

re: #416 Olsonist

Is EVERYTHING we’re against just a “nontroversy” now?

423 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:40:34pm

re: #419 srb1976

That’s true enough…

Yay! I win! In yo face!
/wait, we weren’t arguing???

Yay! We win! In… someone else’s face!

424 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:41:11pm

re: #423 Slumbering Behemoth

Yay! I win! In yo face!
/wait, we weren’t arguing???

Yay! We win! In… someone else’s face!

Hey, Hey! Put your clothes back on!11!!1
:)

425 laZardo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:41:22pm

re: #421 Gus 802

You know it will be a couple of decades before we elect a president that graduated from Stockton State College.

/

Or a foreign college.

/ >:3

426 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:41:55pm

re: #416 Olsonist

This is a nontroversy stirred up by the Reps. They (you) could just try the guy and get it over with. But for political reasons you don’t want to do that. So y’all stir it up with the typical fear mongering.

New York City was good enough for Ramzi Yousef and Omar Abdel Rahman.

It’s not just political reasons, as I’ve said repeatedly. There are major security issues with this trial (which is of a bigger fish than any we’ve tried here-to-fore), and holding it in New York would be disruptive to traffic and commerce. Moreover, I think giving KSM and Co a civilian trial at all is a mistake. I favor a military tribunal at Gitmo.

427 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:42:32pm

re: #422 TheMatrix31

Is EVERYTHING we’re against just a “nontroversy” now?

No, but where the most powerful country in world history tries a two bit terrorist that we have in captivity is a nontroversy. If the AG says NYC is a good location then it’s a good location.

New York City was good enough for Ramzi Yousef and Omar Abdel Rahman.

428 srb1976  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:42:34pm

re: #423 Slumbering Behemoth

Yay! I win! In yo face!
/wait, we weren’t arguing???

Yay! We win! In… someone else’s face!

I don’t argue much…try to be reasonable…or quiet, mostly (unless you ask better half)

429 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:42:53pm

re: #395 Olsonist

I don’t think you know San Francisco very well. It hasn’t had a gay mayor. Houston has.

Portland came first!

430 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:42:58pm

re: #426 Dark_Falcon

New York City was good enough for Ramzi Yousef and Omar Abdel Rahman.

431 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:43:07pm

re: #425 laZardo

Or a foreign college.

/ >:3

Who knows. That might do us some good.

Maybe not. It would be fraught with controversy. If not the empirical row.

/

432 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:43:16pm

re: #424 Varek Raith

No.

433 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:45:13pm

re: #422 TheMatrix31

Is EVERYTHING we’re against just a “nontroversy” now?

I wouldn’t call the KSM thing a nontroversy, I would however call it hypocrisy to hit the roof about KSM when there was no attention paid to other terrorists tried in civilian courts under Republican administrations.

As for me, I don’t really care either way, it’s going to be a political football whether they try him in Manhattan, in Topeka, or on Mars, whether it’s federal judges, military tribunals, or the Skull and Bones society.

434 TheMatrix31  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:45:23pm

re: #427 Olsonist

A) Attorney Generals are not infallible.

B) KSM is a piece of shit who shouldn’t see the light of day in a civilian court. The rights he’s being afforded were the very right that he and his backwards cohorts were trying to bring down on September 11th, 2001.

C) It’s a major security concern, and it’s going to cost a TON.

D) You want to give this son of a bitch open forum to say whatever he wants? Wow, well…ok.

E) Discovery.

I can go on and on and on, but for fear of someone suggesting I should just move to North Korea…I’ll stop.

435 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:45:45pm

re: #430 Olsonist

New York City was good enough for Ramzi Yousef and Omar Abdel Rahman.

Wasn’t Guiliani bragging about NYC trying those guys?

436 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:46:14pm

re: #433 WindUpBird

I wouldn’t call the KSM thing a nontroversy, I would however call it hypocrisy to hit the roof about KSM when there was no attention paid to other terrorists tried in civilian courts under Republican administrations.

As for me, I don’t really care either way, it’s going to be a political football whether they try him in Manhattan, in Topeka, or on Mars, whether it’s federal judges, military tribunals, or the Skull and Bones societyTRILATERAL COMMISSION11!11!1.


;)

437 laZardo  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:46:39pm

Gonna get me a drink.

At 2 in the afternoon. :D

BBL.

438 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:47:04pm

re: #428 srb1976

I don’t argue much…try to be reasonable…or quiet, mostly (unless you ask better half)

I’m sure if I asked your better half, she’d say “Your damn right he’s quiet, and he better stay that way if he knows what’s good for ‘im”.

/just teasing, of course

439 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:48:40pm

re: #434 TheMatrix31

A) Attorney Generals are not infallible.

B) KSM is a piece of shit who shouldn’t see the light of day in a civilian court. The rights he’s being afforded were the very right that he and his backwards cohorts were trying to bring down on September 11th, 2001.

C) It’s a major security concern, and it’s going to cost a TON.

D) You want to give this son of a bitch open forum to say whatever he wants? Wow, well…ok.

E) Discovery.

I can go on and on and on, but for fear of someone suggesting I should just move to North Korea…I’ll stop.

A) no human or human institution on earth is infallible
B) this is a nation of laws, not revenge, you don’t get to suspend the laws of America because someone is working against the laws of America. That would mean that many criminals by virtue of the fact that they committed crimes, no longer get a fair trial (not that I think he’s getting that fair a trial either way, don’t even worry about it, the dude will be found guilty, I’d bet my GTI on it)
C) valid concern, Bloomberg has areason to balk on it
D) I seriously doubt that he’s going to be allowed to grandstand
E) confidential and classified, no way sensitive information is just going to be fired all over CNN

440 srb1976  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:48:50pm

re: #438 Slumbering Behemoth

I’m sure if I asked your better half, she’d say “Your damn right he’s quiet, and he better stay that way if he knows what’s good for ‘im”.

/just teasing, of course

Got it backwards…better half is the him…..I’m the little wife = )

441 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:49:19pm

re: #437 laZardo

Gonna get me a drink.

At 2 in the afternoon. :D

BBL.

I have a tasty Unibroue winter ale! Best belgian style brewer in North America. Of course, it’s 11pm here.. :D

442 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:49:24pm

re: #440 srb1976

Got it backwards…better half is the him…I’m the little wife = )

Run, SB, RUN!11!!
;)

443 TheMatrix31  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:50:09pm

re: #439 WindUpBird

B)….KSM wasn’t captured on US soil. He was captured as an enemy combatant. Therefore, he has no right to a civilian trial.

444 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:50:16pm
A) Attorney Generals are not infallible.

But they have a better track record than conservative talk show hosts.

B) KSM is a piece of shit who shouldn’t see the light of day in a civilian court. The rights he’s being afforded were the very right that he and his backwards cohorts were trying to bring down on September 11th, 2001.

Absolutely. American justice works.

C) It’s a major security concern, and it’s going to cost a TON.

No more than it did for Yousef and Rahman.

D) You want to give this son of a bitch open forum to say whatever he wants? Wow, well…ok.

I could give a shit was this piece of trash has to say.

E) Discovery.

Consistent with standard security protocols, absolutely. American justice works.

445 TheMatrix31  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:51:03pm

re: #444 Olsonist

ok

446 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:51:38pm

re: #430 Olsonist

New York City was good enough for Ramzi Yousef and Omar Abdel Rahman.

That was then, this is now. The Islamist threat is far more severe now. Given the risk of terrorist attack, I’d rather locate the trial in a more isolated secure area.

447 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:51:53pm

Change of venue. The security requirements for the KSM trial in the Southern District of New York were too constraining requiring checkpoints and sharp shooters. Even Mayor Bloomberg stated his objections to it and in a rare moment I found myself in agreement with King Bloomberg.

Trial will probably go to Virginia. He’ll either get the death penalty or spend the rest of his life in ADX Florence.

448 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:52:04pm

re: #440 srb1976

Got it backwards…better half is the him…I’m the little wife = )

My bad.

re: #442 Varek Raith

Run, SB, RUN!11!!
;)

Nope, that just means I take more clothes off. Hmmm.. painted myself in a corner here… do eyeglasses count as clothes? That’s all I’ve got left.

449 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:52:42pm

re: #436 Varek Raith

;)

Tap the Center For Disease Control to supply Relief to one Devastated Nation card per turn. If the CDC makes a direct attack to destroy a Place card, it can use biological warfare and get a +15 to its attack. If the ttack fails, the CDC is discarded. :D

450 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:53:11pm

re: #444 Olsonist

Consistent with standard security protocols, absolutely. American justice works.

I don’t agree with your argument, but that was well structured and respectful. Upding.

451 AlexRogan  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:53:25pm

re: #123 MandyManners

Ooops.

This post means that LVQ has the right to say “Fuck you, bitch” to me.

Or, does itl.

WTH did that come from, Mandy? After the flame war on steroids the other night, I gotta downding you for this…

452 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:53:39pm

re: #444 Olsonist

Consistent with standard security protocols, absolutely. American justice works.

This is really the nut. Either you believe in our system of justice or you don’t. I believe in our system of justice. it’s fallible, but it still works pretty well.

453 srb1976  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:54:01pm

re: #448 Slumbering Behemoth

Nope, that just means I take more clothes off. Hmmm.. painted myself in a corner here… do eyeglasses count as clothes? That’s all I’ve got left.

I’m not sure….
My 5 year old has been running around most of the day in nothing but a blanket (worn as a cape) and a pair of swimming goggles…….would he be dressed or undressed?

454 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:56:27pm

re: #446 Dark_Falcon

That was then, this is now. The Islamist threat is far more severe now. Given the risk of terrorist attack, I’d rather locate the trial in a more isolated secure area.

I don’t know where you live but I live in the United States of America, the most power country in the motherfucking history of the world. I don’t fear the terrorists and I don’t watch fucking 24. I have a lot more faith in the Federal professional prosecutors than you do.

This is not a big thing. This is a big political thing.

455 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:56:56pm

re: #443 TheMatrix31

B)…KSM wasn’t captured on US soil. He was captured as an enemy combatant. Therefore, he has no right to a civilian trial.

Absolutely right, and if I may add, he’s an unlawful combatant. Still, the genie is now out of the bottle, and it can’t be put back in. I just wish they’d get this the fuck over with, so people on both sides would stop their insipid whining.

To those worried about it turning into a show trial, a circus. Too late. Because of all this damn whining, it already is. Let’s get it over with already.

456 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:58:34pm

re: #443 TheMatrix31

B)…KSM wasn’t captured on US soil. He was captured as an enemy combatant. Therefore, he has no right to a civilian trial.

Like I said, I PERSONALLY have no dog in this argument, the idea of him being tried by military tribunal doesn’t bother me that much. I do think trying him in a civilian court would stick it to Al Qaida and terrorists everywhere way more than some secret tribunal thing. Winning the war of ideas and all that, perception being reality in politics.

But it seems like it’s sort of a partisan distinction for political reasons, talking points and fuel for angry bearded gentlemen who spit into microphones for a living, and not as much a legitimate distinction. He’ll be found guilty as hell either way.

If the problem is NEW YORK, the screw it, try him in that vault in Utah where they keep all the Mormon records.

457 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:58:55pm

re: #449 WindUpBird

Tap the Center For Disease Control to supply Relief to one Devastated Nation card per turn. If the CDC makes a direct attack to destroy a Place card, it can use biological warfare and get a +15 to its attack. If the ttack fails, the CDC is discarded. :D

“FEMA Camps!!1” Card: If the Party in power moves to set up disaster relief sites in an emergency, the party out of power can play the “FEMA Camps!!1” card to send its base into a Frenzy for the following turn, after which it loses a credibility point (if it has any) for screaming about a conspriracy theory.

458 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:59:30pm

re: #453 srb1976

I’m not sure…
My 5 year old has been running around most of the day in nothing but a blanket (worn as a cape) and a pair of swimming goggles…would he be dressed or undressed?

Answer number three: He’s more dressed than me. ;)

459 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 10:59:48pm

re: #455 Slumbering Behemoth

Absolutely right, and if I may add, he’s an unlawful combatant. Still, the genie is now out of the bottle, and it can’t be put back in. I just wish they’d get this the fuck over with, so people on both sides would stop their insipid whining.

To those worried about it turning into a show trial, a circus. Too late. Because of all this damn whining, it already is. Let’s get it over with already.

Nothing says, “we pay lip service to justice” to the world like, well, whatever trial we’re about to have. Let’s put our worst foot forward, shall we?

460 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:00:12pm

re: #446 Dark_Falcon

That was then, this is now. The Islamist threat is far more severe now. Given the risk of terrorist attack, I’d rather locate the trial in a more isolated secure area.

The Islamist threat ism more severe NOW than it was at 9.11 or the height of the Iraq war? Where’s this coming from?

No snark, I just want to know where your conclusion comes from, because it’s sort of the opposite of this blog’s conventional wisdom, which is that the threat is less severe.

461 Gus  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:00:13pm

Night all.

462 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:00:35pm

re: #454 Olsonist

I’d have more faith in the prosecutors in Eric Holder weren’t AG.

463 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:00:47pm

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

“FEMA Camps!!1” Card: If the Party in power moves to set up disaster relief sites in an emergency, the party out of power can play the “FEMA Camps!!1” card to send its base into a Frenzy for the following turn, after which it loses a credibility point (if it has any) for screaming about a conspriracy theory.

I’m referencing a real game card, dammit ;-)

464 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:01:02pm

re: #461 Gus 802

Night all.

Good night, to all 802 of you gusses

465 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:01:13pm

re: #462 Dark_Falcon

I’d have more faith in the prosecutors in Eric Holder weren’t AG.

Who would you rather have as AG, and why is Holder not qualified?

466 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:01:43pm

re: #462 Dark_Falcon

I’d have more faith in the prosecutors in Eric Holder weren’t AG.

Big Gonzales fan are you?

467 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:02:05pm

re: #460 WindUpBird

The Islamist threat ism more severe NOW than it was at 9.11 or the height of the Iraq war? Where’s this coming from?

No snark, I just want to know where your conclusion comes from, because it’s sort of the opposite of this blog’s conventional wisdom, which is that the threat is less severe.

The trials of those two took place in the 90’s. The treat is greater now than it was then, but less than it was earlier in this decade.

468 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:03:05pm

re: #466 Olsonist

Big Gonzales fan are you?

No, he was a buffoon. But I liked and respected Ashcroft and Murkasy.

469 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:04:25pm

re: #465 WindUpBird

Who would you rather have as AG,

Rudy Giuliani. There, I said it. No sarc.

and why is Holder not qualified?

A.C.O.R.N., duh!
/sarc

470 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:05:08pm

re: #467 Dark_Falcon

The trials of those two took place in the 90’s. The treat is greater now than it was then, but less than it was earlier in this decade.

It seems like it’s still within the realm of “we can try him in New York”. But like I said, i don’t feel very strongly either way.

I mean if we were currently suffering through IRA levels of domestic terrorism all the time, I’d say, fuck yeah, try him in a bomb shelter a mile deep. But we’re not. I think if we get hit again, it’s not going to be because of the KSM trial, it’ll be something that was in the works for years and years. Or it’ll be some lone loon like the underpants gnome.

471 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:06:28pm

re: #469 Slumbering Behemoth

A.C.O.R.N., duh!
/sarc

Okay, I have no problem with Guiliani as an AG. As presidential candidate, he was cringe-inducing, as top lawyer, I’d say game on. I would have waa-a-a-a-ay rather have had him than Gonzales.

I have zero problem with Holder, I think a lot of the attacks on him are just partisan.

472 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:07:48pm

re: #469 Slumbering Behemoth

Giuliani like Spitzer completely flamed out in the political arena.

473 simoom  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:09:21pm

re: #387 Dark_Falcon

Sane minded conservatives.

Corrected to remove liberal spin.

Though oddly that “sanity” only manifested after President Obama assumed office. Before then the exact same people who are currently terrifying Americans (with dark fantasies of terrorists kidnapping children near trials; defendants being released into the US or somehow escaping; and massive retaliatory strikes) were singing the praises of near identical trials and incarcerations.

It could almost make you believe they’re demagoguing the issue purely for political gain…

Youtube Video

An obvious example is now frequent critic of the federal trials, Rudy Giuliani. Here he is on the Zacarias Moussaoui trial, in 2006:

“… I was in awe of our system,” the former mayor continued. “It does demonstrate that we can give people a fair trial, that we are exactly what we say we are. We are a nation of law… . I think he’s going to be a symbol of American justice.”

—-

But the former mayor added: “If you believe in this system, you have to be willing to agree with conclusions that you would not share.

“The greater value I think would have been if he was executed. But the greater value is demonstrating what America is like.

“America won tonight,” he said, arguing that the United States had upheld the worth of its legal system in the eyes of the world.

474 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:11:20pm

re: #472 Olsonist

Giuliani like Spitzer completely flamed out in the political arena.

He didn’t flame out like Spitzer the video-game hating, prostitute patronizing hypocrite. He ran a weak campaign, and failed to impress. He’d still make a great AG, IMO.

475 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:12:00pm

re: #468 Dark_Falcon

No, he was a buffoon. But I liked and respected Ashcroft and Murkasy.

My problem with Ashcroft is until 9/11 he was far more interested in plying his social conservative agenda and going bonkers against prostitution. Also he lost to a dead man in an election. Also, not so impressed with his stance against desegregation. I will give him props for standing his ground in the hospital about the spy program. Good for him. At least he was up to the job.

Gonzales is a fucking fool, and anyone who accepted that man as being qualified for the job is a blind partisan or just not paying attention. Like whatsherface being nominated for SCOTUS. One of the dumbest things Bush ever did.

476 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:12:41pm

re: #473 simoom


DEMAGOGING? FOR POLITICAL GAIN?

Oh my stars! :D

477 cliffster  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:13:36pm

Yaaaawwwwwwnnnn!!!! Night all

478 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:14:01pm

re: #473 simoom

Rudy Guiliani has not been impressing me lately with his FLAT OUT BALD FACED LIES about Obama’s state of the union speech.

Earth to Rudy, there are these things called cameras, they’re enchanted talismans that can record a man’s words…

479 Stonemason  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:14:21pm

re: #473 simoom

On August 16, 2001, Moussaoui was arrested by Harry Samit of the FBI and INS agents in Minnesota and charged with an immigration violation

And:

On September 11, 2002, members of Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) claimed to have killed or captured Khalid Sheikh Mohammed during a raid in Karachi that resulted in Binalshibh’s capture. Some people have reported that Mohammed escaped, but that his family was captured.[47]

On March 1, 2003, the ISI reported that they had captured him in a raid in Rawalpindi, Pakistan in a joint raid with the CIA’s Special Activities Division paramilitary operatives


Now admittedly both quotes are from Wiki, which I hate, but for this purpose can we assume the arrest records are right? If so, there is a huge difference between the KSM trial and the Moussaoui trial. Applse and oranges.

480 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:15:29pm

re: #474 Slumbering Behemoth

He didn’t flame out like Spitzer the video-game hating, prostitute patronizing hypocrite. He ran a weak campaign, and failed to impress. He’d still make a great AG, IMO.

Spitzer and Lieberman should, I dunno, go find a room at the Embassy Suites and whisper sweet anti-free-speech nothings as they feed each other grapes in the whirlpool bath. And Tipper Gore can film them.

481 ryannon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:16:17pm

re: #120 Cato the Elder

OK: I lived in the country or on a bedroom-community island for the neurotic rich for the last third of a year, spending perhaps three days in cities. Coming back to Dear Dirty Dublin Baltimore today, my perceptions for how foul everything looks and smells are heightened. So I can see how a Dickens in coal-era, poorhouse London would think that it was “bad air” that caused all the problems. And, in a metaphorical sense, isn’t that in fact the simple truth?

I’ve been waiting for the occasion to post this. They say that some people think in images; to the extent that I can be said to think at all, it would be both in images and words - or rather, lyrics. And thus this lovely old saw by Randy Newman.

Welcome home, Cato….

Youtube Video

482 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:16:24pm

re: #480 WindUpBird

Gross. I hate you.
/

483 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:16:34pm

re: #475 WindUpBird

My problem with Ashcroft is until 9/11 he was far more interested in plying his social conservative agenda and going bonkers against prostitution. Also he lost to a dead man in an election. Also, not so impressed with his stance against desegregation. I will give him props for standing his ground in the hospital about the spy program. Good for him. At least he was up to the job.

Gonzales is a fucking fool, and anyone who accepted that man as being qualified for the job is a blind partisan or just not paying attention. Like whatsherface being nominated for SCOTUS. One of the dumbest things Bush ever did.

Ashcroft’s defeat in running for the Senate says less about him than it does about voters sentiments. He would have done better had Mel Carnahan lived, because voters casted their votes for Carnahan as a sympathy and memorial vote.

I do not defend Miguel Gonzales. He was indeed a failure as Attorney General, and Bush took far to long replacing him with Murkasy.

484 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:17:30pm

re: #474 Slumbering Behemoth

He didn’t flame out like Spitzer the video-game hating, prostitute patronizing hypocrite. He ran a weak campaign, and failed to impress. He’d still make a great AG, IMO.

Right. He flamed out on the cheating on his wife, pampering his mistress with taxpayer money and police escorts, the Kerik scandals, Harding, ….

Also, I really don’t think he looks good in women’s clothing.

485 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:17:52pm

re: #472 Olsonist

Giuliani like Spitzer completely flamed out in the political arena.

To be fair, Guiliani flamed out when he went too high, Icarus-style. He probably would have done okay as an AG, but he thought he could be president and he was a punchline. Even America’s Mayor can’t just go from Mayor to President. That’s like starting your car in 6th gear.

486 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:18:14pm

re: #482 Slumbering Behemoth

Gross. I hate you.
/

THE REVOLTING POWER OF IMAGERY

487 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:19:01pm

re: #484 Olsonist

I’m not sure how using a socon knee jerk makes your point. And, I think I missed your point.

488 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:20:28pm

re: #483 Dark_Falcon

Ashcroft’s defeat in running for the Senate says less about him than it does about voters sentiments. He would have done better had Mel Carnahan lived, because voters casted their votes for Carnahan as a sympathy and memorial vote.

I do not defend Miguel Gonzales. He was indeed a failure as Attorney General, and Bush took far to long replacing him with Murkasy.

I know, I know. :D It was a cheap shot, and like I said, I consider him a mixed bag overall. he was a decent AG.

My biggest problem with Bush is stuff like Gonzales and Miers. I didn’t like his policies, but it was the nepotism that scared me.

489 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:20:49pm

re: #485 WindUpBird

To be fair, Guiliani flamed out when he went too high, Icarus-style. He probably would have done okay as an AG, but he thought he could be president and he was a punchline. Even America’s Mayor can’t just go from Mayor to President. That’s like starting your car in 6th gear.

I do kind of agree with that.

490 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:22:17pm

re: #487 Slumbering Behemoth

I’m not sure how using a socon knee jerk makes your point. And, I think I missed your point.

My point was that both Giuliani and Spitzer for pretty much the same reason and in the same way flamed out when the crossed over from the Federal prosecutor ranks to the political stage.

491 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:23:18pm

re: #484 Olsonist

Right. He flamed out on the cheating on his wife, pampering his mistress with taxpayer money and police escorts, the Kerik scandals, Harding, …

Also, I really don’t think he looks good in women’s clothing.

Come on, him being an NYC goof in drag isn’t relevant. :( That’s NYC culture, we just got done with a huge flamewar about San Francisco culture being filth. I consider his sense of humor to be one of his positives. How many high profile Republicans would dare such a thing? I can count zero.

492 Olsonist  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:25:03pm

re: #491 WindUpBird

I don’t think Huckabee would, but that guy is flat out funny. I’ll have to track down and see if he’s been on the Daily Show but he’s a scream on SNL.

493 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:33:23pm

re: #492 Olsonist

I don’t think Huckabee would, but that guy is flat out funny. I’ll have to track down and see if he’s been on the Daily Show but he’s a scream on SNL.

I quite liked Huckabee in the primaries. A very funny dude, smart, self-aware, had some great ideas about social justice and anyone who’s serious about their garage band can’t be all bad. I was very disappointed when he started to edge towards the full socon.

494 simoom  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:39:15pm

re: #492 Olsonist

I don’t think Huckabee would, but that guy is flat out funny. I’ll have to track down and see if he’s been on the Daily Show but he’s a scream on SNL.

The Huckabee / Colbert political air hockey match is a classic:

Colbert Nation Video

495 ryannon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:47:01pm

Ashcroft….Ashcroft…the name rings a bell….

Youtube Video

496 thefarmer  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:00:07am

I’ve already voted, busy day tomorrow. We really need to elect a Rep. Senator in IL, this state used to be evenly divided, I’m so old I remember Everett Dirksen and Paul Douglas, both heads above the latest crappy senators like Durbin, Obama and Burris.
Walker was my choice, Kirk and voting for Cap and Trade just turned me off. Kirk may get it, and if so I’m glad he can help stop Obama’s reckless spending spree.
T

497 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:03:04am

re: #496 thefarmer

I’ve already voted, busy day tomorrow. We really need to elect a Rep. Senator in IL, this state used to be evenly divided, I’m so old I remember Everett Dirksen and Paul Douglas, both heads above the latest crappy senators like Durbin, Obama and Burris.
Walker was my choice, Kirk and voting for Cap and Trade just turned me off. Kirk may get it, and if so I’m glad he can help stop Obama’s reckless spending spree.
T

Thank you for supporting the right side. This is our year in Illinois.

498 a_little_interested  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:49:17am

re: #157 Van Helsing

I’m British and despite the sun making a fuss out of this - it really does not sound bad. This is no tale of being ignored for hours - it was a swift birth. Nothing went wrong - and from the sound of it the midwife was there quickly and ensured nothing was wrong. Not ideal I’ll grant you but far from terrible.

Interestingly your assuming that there paying for that service via taxes. Which is not necessarily true. They could be unemployed, or low wage earners. I don’t know there status -which is the point of the NHS.

Who ever they were they got covered. You see somebody abandoned. I see somebody in a hospital - with those resources available if needed.

499 Jerusalemyte  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 1:34:19am

The questioners don’t seem to be interested in my nieghborhood.

The M topic, however, does appear:
Majority of Muslims reject violence??? Don’t find any evidence of this. Don’t see Muslims condemning terrorism without having to hide in fear of condemnation or physical attack by their co-religionists. A good example is Sudan which he mentions later. Genocide? No just mass murder of Muslims by a violence drunk cadre of Muslims.

500 iceweasel  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 5:23:23am

re: #123 MandyManners

It’s really amusing to watch you continually carping and whining about that comment, and continuing to try to stir up shit against Ludwig when he isn’t here. Especially when we all know he wasn’t to blame for the ugliness that recently ensued.

You’ve already been warned once before about that. Remember? A lot of your comments bitching about him in that thread were deleted.

Like all bullies, you’re a coward who is consumed with self-pity the instant you’re called out. And if there were some way to measure who here has said “Fuck you” more than anyone, and whose posts proportionately contain more comments like “Fuck you” than anyone, the ‘winner’ would be…you.

501 blueherron  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:45:35am

re: #120 Cato the Elder

OK: I lived in the country or on a bedroom-community island for the neurotic rich for the last third of a year, spending perhaps three days in cities. Coming back to Dear Dirty Dublin Baltimore today, my perceptions for how foul everything looks and smells are heightened. So I can see how a Dickens in coal-era, poorhouse London would think that it was “bad air” that caused all the problems. And, in a metaphorical sense, isn’t that in fact the simple truth?

I love the Dickensian qualities of Baltimore. And the only time it smells bad is when one of the summer-time fish kills in the harbor fills the air. Welcome back!

502 mikey706  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:58:05am

The President bows? But I thought he was ‘arrogant’.

503 CarryOn  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:08:38am

This president talks so much and says so little, more than any president I’ve ever listened to.

504 simoom  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:55:01am

^ I have the opposite impression.

First, I’m used to most politicians being wary of these sorts of forums where questions often deviate from the small set of political and policy issues the beltway media has determined are currently important. Then, if and when a the politician gets a question their political strategists and advisers haven’t prepared them for, I expect them to quickly deflect and segue to answering a question that wasn’t asked, but that their strategists have prepared a sound-byte answer for (or at the very least, offer up unintelligible word-salad mixed with enough jingoism to satisfy many viewers).

The current President mostly doesn’t follow that archetype. He’s unusual in that he’s willing to actually give unprepared answers to rarely asked policy questions (and to often talk in detail about his Administration’s goals and strategy with respect to that subject). He also mostly avoids simple, sound-byte answers, that while politically satisfying, offer little illumination.

505 jordash1212  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:59:36am

re: #1 webevintage

This election motivated a lot of us younger people, who had been otherwise in apathy, to take an interest in politics and their quality of life. Say what you want about the man’s politics, but he sure as hell can motivate people.

506 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:17:12am

re: #491 WindUpBird

Aww come on. Giuliani does drag better than Karl Rove does rap!

507 CarryOn  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:23:48am

re: #503 CarryOn

He tries to make everyone happy, so he ends up contradicting himself on just about every single issue he talks about. It’s exhausting. And his words are rarely backed up by his actions.

508 blueraven  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:45:53am

re: #507 CarryOn

He tries to make everyone happy, so he ends up contradicting himself on just about every single issue he talks about. It’s exhausting. And his words are rarely backed up by his actions.

Seriously, did you listen to the interview at all?

509 Cato the Elder  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:59:53am

re: #266 rwmofo

When Carter left office I had a 17% mortgage.

When Reagan left office I had an 8% mortgage.

I guess we could re-build the Berlin Wall and try to get the Soviet Union back together.

If you believe the president sets mortgage rates, you probably think he controls the weather, too.

Saint Ronald can kiss my tuches.

510 American-African  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:06:00am

Huffington Post has an interesting article up.

Large Portion Of GOP Thinks Obama Is Racist, Socialist, Non-U.S. Citizen

511 Authoritarian F*ckpuddles  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 1:35:42pm

re: #196 Van Helsing

Sutures, bows for stringed instruments. Cats can be useful.

Actually, they never used cats for stringed instruments - they used sheep innards.


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Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
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