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1 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:05:46pm
2 srb1976  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:07:06pm

re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth

Just wanted to be the first naked guy in the new thread huh?

3 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:12:34pm

The history of the world is the history of everybody, grunt grunt grunt.

And don't forget the plants and animals either.

Good night.

4 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:13:15pm

re: #2 srb1976

Just wanted to be the first naked guy in the new thread huh?

Read me like a book, you have. Not hard, though, when I have little to hide.

/get it? self deprecating humor is fun.

5 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:17:18pm

re: #3 Ojoe

To the victor go the spoils, and the privilege of writing history.

6 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:23:28pm

For those who haven't met Bitey.

[Link: www.biteycastle.com...]

7 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:24:33pm

Damnit, Cookie Monster! WTF, man? I thought you were cool.

8 ryannon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:24:59pm

Miller did alright for himself. And had a lot of fun along the way. The fact that not everybody can be Attila the Hun or Thomas Edison is someone else's ultimate good luck, and in this case, Miller's.

9 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:25:07pm

re: #7 Slumbering Behemoth

Damnit, Cookie Monster! WTF, man? I thought you were cool.

I HAVE THIS PROBLEM


THE PROBLEM IS I HAVE TOO MUCH BEER

10 srb1976  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:28:23pm

Pugs (especially old and fat pugs) make excellent foot warmers!

11 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:29:19pm

re: #7 Slumbering Behemoth

Damnit, Cookie Monster! WTF, man? I thought you were cool.

He's thrown his lot in with Evil Bert.

12 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:29:30pm

Also, have a fucking fantastic song by Cynic:

Everyone's favorite jazz-prog-death-metal band. Witness the awesome might of Sean Reinert's drumming and Masvidal's insane guitars.

13 ryannon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:31:33pm

re: #2 srb1976

Just wanted to be the first naked guy in the new thread huh?

Nine naked guys are better than one.

14 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:33:13pm
15 srb1976  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:33:20pm

re: #13 ryannon

True enough...they can get the house clean that much faster = )

16 ryannon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:35:48pm

re: #13 ryannon

Nine naked guys are better than one.


The uncensored version off a Russky server:

[Link: repka.tv...]

17 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:37:51pm

re: #14 Varek Raith

Oh noes, SyFy must be doing another movie...
:D

What, I thought they had greenlit Mega Shark Versus Wilford Brimley.

18 srb1976  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:40:41pm

Ok, the fact that every other living critter in the house is asleep is probably a hint....Night folks!

19 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:43:57pm

Dark_Falcon you still here?

Click this.
:D

20 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:45:32pm
21 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:48:05pm

re: #19 Varek Raith

Dark_Falcon you still here?

Click this.
:D

LMAO! I love it! Thanks, that made my night!

22 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:49:57pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

LMAO! I love it! Thanks, that made my night!



Here's the site were you can make them!

Thanks, windsagio for the link!

23 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:54:38pm

Hey look I'm a goddamn furry

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

let me tell you, guys in animal heads, WE KNOW HOW TO PARTY.

24 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:56:48pm

re: #23 WindUpBird

Hey look I'm a goddamn furry

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

let me tell you, guys in animal heads, WE KNOW HOW TO PARTY.

Looks like an member of ComicCon's cleaning staff. :D

25 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:59:26pm
26 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:00:23am

re: #23 WindUpBird

Are you a homeschool parent?

27 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:02:43am

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

Looks like an member of ComicCon's cleaning staff. :D

I clean up

YOUR CEREBRAL CORTEX

28 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:04:39am

re: #26 Slumbering Behemoth

Are you a homeschool parent?

Oh nooooooooo. All I gotta say about that is LOL

Also, digging that the poster's real LJ nick is "defenestrate_me" You must understand, furry is like a big city. There's people who kick ass, and then there's bag ladies. :D

29 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:06:13am

re: #28 WindUpBird

I think that post is from someone "taking the piss", as the brits say.

30 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:09:38am

re: #29 Slumbering Behemoth

I think that post is from someone "taking the piss", as the brits say.

Yeah, I just googled it, it's a YTMND poster. :D

31 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:10:07am

For the Iron Maiden/Muppet Show fans.

32 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:10:57am

History is about the priveleged few who make the history books, some of whom just happened to be in the right place at the right time, like Amerigo Vespucci. Got a continent named after him although he did nothing to discover it...

33 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:11:59am

re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth

For the Iron Maiden/Muppet Show fans.

Now that's a scary drawing. Animal as a true monster. I think I'll need to stay up an extra 10 minutes just to get that image out of my head.

34 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:13:26am

Well, I'm out. Later!

35 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:13:39am

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

Aww, I'm sorry. That illustration made me feel all nostalgic and cuddly. Go figure.

36 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:18:04am

re: #35 Slumbering Behemoth

Aww, I'm sorry. That illustration made me feel all nostalgic and cuddly. Go figure.

Didn't have that effect on me. That was a nightmare version of a classic Muppet. Scary is the only word for it. I'm out for the night. Back in later AM, before I go to vote.

37 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:30:40am

re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth

For the Iron Maiden/Muppet Show fans.

THIS IS FULL OF WIN

(I had this album in high school,hah)

38 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:36:54am

re: #37 WindUpBird

So you get the nostalgia aspect. A pretty damn good spoof on the original art.

39 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:40:47am

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

So you get the nostalgia aspect. A pretty damn good spoof on the original art.

The most nostalgic Maiden records for me are this one (Piece of Mind), Powerslave, Seventh Son (my favorite) and Somewhere in Time.

40 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:53:20am

re: #39 WindUpBird

For me it was the first two albums. Not because I think Di'Anno was a better singer (he wasn't), but there was something different in the music there than later albums. Can't really explain it.

Also, those two were some of the first albums I bought back when I was a teen. That likely colors my nostalgia factor there.

41 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:54:34am

re: #39 WindUpBird

The most nostalgic Maiden records for me are this one (Piece of Mind), Powerslave, Seventh Son (my favorite) and Somewhere in Time.

Takes me back to Glenn Beck's lost America, where things were better, I was stoned off my nut every morning for the first three class periods and perfectly happy to spend the rest of my afternoons hanging out in a dark basement with garish posters and loud music...

42 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:56:45am

re: #41 ralphieboy

Ha ha ha! Yes!

Did we go to school together?

43 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 1:03:57am

If we did, I probably woudn't remember...or did we used to hang out at the Burger King after class?

44 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 1:10:05am

re: #43 ralphieboy

Nah. For me it was McDonald's in Junior High, and some nice old lady's alley way car port in High School.

45 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 1:14:14am

Well, the Burger King was at 47th Avenue and Broadway, the McDonald's was at 52nd and Broadway. Saturday night entertainment consisted of getting in a car and driving back and forth between the two and hanging out in the parking lot.

46 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 1:27:12am

G'nite Lizards. Rock on!

47 Jerusalemyte  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 2:19:39am

Everybody's going to sleep. I'm going to eat lunch!!

48 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 2:57:24am

Lunchtime in Germany, too.

49 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 3:02:40am

Vt nuke plant leaks renew debate over aging plants

MONTPELIER, Vt. – Radioactive tritium, a carcinogen discovered in potentially dangerous levels in groundwater at the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant, has now tainted at least 27 of the nation's 104 nuclear reactors — raising concerns about how it is escaping from the aging nuclear plants.

The leaks — many from deteriorating underground pipes — come as the nuclear industry is seeking and obtaining federal license renewals, casting itself as a clean-green alternative to power plants that burn fossil fuels.

Tritium, found in nature in tiny amounts and a product of nuclear fission, has been linked to cancer if ingested, inhaled or absorbed through the skin in large amounts.

Snip

50 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 3:52:27am

Driveby as I have a cold and feel like I'm dying, but this made me laugh and laugh (apologies if it's been posted)

Sarah Palin Uses PAC to Buy Her Own Book
Political Action Committee Paid More than $60,000 for Copies of 'Going Rogue' in Late 2009

51 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:17:55am

re: #50 iceweasel

Driveby as I have a cold and feel like I'm dying, but this made me laugh and laugh (apologies if it's been posted)

Sarah Palin Uses PAC to Buy Her Own Book
Political Action Committee Paid More than $60,000 for Copies of 'Going Rogue' in Late 2009

Just go onto a site like [Link: www.newsmax.com...] and you will find her book being offered free with a subscription or at an 80% discount. Some people find this book so vital to America's interest that they will pay to have it sent to people to put on their coffee tables and nightstands (or on the dashboard of their pickup)

[Video]

52 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:18:24am

re: #31 Slumbering Behemoth

For the Iron Maiden/Muppet Show fans.

I knew Animal was on that path all along.

53 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:19:55am

re: #32 ralphieboy

History is about the priveleged few who make the history books, some of whom just happened to be in the right place at the right time, like Amerigo Vespucci. Got a continent named after him although he did nothing to discover it...

He had a descendant named "Helen America" (the other Helen America).

54 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:20:19am

Good Morning Lizardom!
IL lizards, please vote today. It's a privilege worth exercising.
Thank you.

55 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:22:42am

re: #49 Varek Raith

The proper first aid for tritium inhalation is to drink large volumes of beer in short order.

56 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:25:04am

re: #51 ralphieboy

Yeah, part of the reason I'm laughing is because I pointed out to folks that the reason it was on the bestseller list while also being simultaneously offered for free or at massive discounts on every conservative website was because the majority of the purchases were being made in bulk by various conservative groups. It's been going on since the 90's-- gigantic bulk buys of 'conservative' authors in order to artifically inflate the sales records and get them on the NYT bestseller list. That's why you'll see Coulter's books or Palin's or whoever's continually offered on the cheap online-- after the giant bulk purchase they're 'donated' to some organisation or other.

It's just hilarious that Palin's own PAC was also one of them. Usually wingnuts cover their tracks a little better-- for example, some fake thinktank or group would have made the bulk purchase and then donated the books to the PAC or to Palin in some way.

El. Oh. El.

57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:31:45am

re: #56 iceweasel

The Donald purchased pallets of his book "The Art of the Deal" so it would be a runaway best seller.

58 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:32:28am

re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The Donald purchased pallets of his book "The Art of the Deal" so it would be a runaway best seller.

Exactly! I'd forgotten that. Thanks.

59 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:33:27am

re: #56 iceweasel

Yeah, part of the reason I'm laughing is because I pointed out to folks that the reason it was on the bestseller list while also being simultaneously offered for free or at massive discounts on every conservative website was because the majority of the purchases were being made in bulk by various conservative groups. It's been going on since the 90's-- gigantic bulk buys of 'conservative' authors in order to artifically inflate the sales records and get them on the NYT bestseller list. That's why you'll see Coulter's books or Palin's or whoever's continually offered on the cheap online-- after the giant bulk purchase they're 'donated' to some organisation or other.

It's just hilarious that Palin's own PAC was also one of them. Usually wingnuts cover their tracks a little better-- for example, some fake thinktank or group would have made the bulk purchase and then donated the books to the PAC or to Palin in some way.

El. Oh. El.

Palin's strength is that people are still going to love her for who she is, or at least what she seems to stand for, rather than anything she does (or stops doing).

It will keep her in the limelight, give her the power to raise campaign contributions and affect elections.

60 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:34:42am

re: #47 Jerusalemyte

Everybody's going to sleep. I'm going to eat lunch!!

Only you, the Jerusalem' people, eating lunch during Tel-Aviv's time of breakfast...

61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:34:45am
62 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:38:47am

re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Happy Groundhog Day!

Happy LOST season opener... tonight.

63 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:48:00am

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

Happy LOST season opener... tonight.

Can u advise me how to watch Lost s06e01-2 directly via Internet? or download?

64 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:50:06am

Morning laugh:

Man Hurt As Homemade Rocket Explodes
[Link: www.clickondetroit.com...]


An Oakland County man was injured when a sledding stunt went wrong.

Sheriff's deputies said the man held a sledding party at his home on Townview Drive in Independence Township last Saturday night.

Investigators said they were told by witnesses that the 62-year-old man had been drinking when he fashioned a device using a motorcycle muffler, a piece of pipe, gunpowder, match heads and gasoline.

Witnesses said the man strapped the device on his back, donned a makeshift helmet and got on a sled, asking someone to light a wick attached to the device.

Part of the way down the hill, the device exploded, resulting in second-degree burns to the victim's face. One of his eyes was damaged.

65 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:51:22am

re: #63 Ateam

Can u advise me how to watch Lost s06e01-2 directly via Internet? or download?

You cannot watch it realtime... it should be up on ABC's web site by 8:00 EST the next morning after airing, which in this case would be Wed. morning. That's what they have been doing up to now, I don't suspect they would not continue that practice this year...

[Link: abc.go.com...]

66 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 4:54:54am

re: #64 RogueOne

Morning laugh:

Man Hurt As Homemade Rocket Explodes
[Link: www.clickondetroit.com...]

Why do I visualize this in scratchy black-and-white?

67 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 5:06:31am

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

You cannot watch it realtime... it should be up on ABC's web site by 8:00 EST the next morning after airing, which in this case would be Wed. morning. That's what they have been doing up to now, I don't suspect they would not continue that practice this year...

[Link: abc.go.com...]

THANKS
[in this case I'll take the regular way of DL via Bittorrent. It will appear on net sooner that 8.00 est(3.00pm my local time)]

68 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 5:36:20am

Haiti earthquake: voodoo high priest claims aid monopolised by Christians

Max Beauvoir, Haiti's "supreme master" of voodoo, alleged his faith's opponents had deliberately prevented much-needed help from reaching followers of the religion, which blends the traditional beliefs of West African slaves with Roman Catholicism.

"The evangelicals are in control and they take everything for themselves," he claimed. "They have the advantage that they control the airport where everything is stuck. They take everything they get to their own people and that's a shame.

SNIP

69 Doubleview  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 5:40:20am

The thread's opening quote may explain Obama's disdain for Europe:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Quote: "Obama clearly has no emotional identification with Europe,” Mr. Grant said. “He has a cool, analytical view of allies and partners, but when the Europeans can’t provide much to help America solve global security problems, he doesn’t want to spend too much time on it.”

It's obviously much better to trade in those old allies for new alliances in the Middle East and South America.

70 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 5:41:24am

Cops chasing a suspect get into fist fight after police dog goes after officer instead of suspect. The story reads like something out of Keystone Cops:

[Link: www.southbendtribune.com...]


As Morgan was chasing the suspect, another officer, Cpl. Scott Ross, released his canine partner to help the chase.

For reasons that are not clear, the canine went after Morgan instead and attempted to bite him.

Morgan then fired at the canine, apparently in self-defense, but missed. He continued the pursuit as more officers arrived to help.

Officers caught the suspect in the back yard of a house in the 400 block of Liberty Street.

Meanwhile, Ross and Morgan began "swinging at each other" in the backyard after Ross became angry that Morgan shot at his dog.

As the dispute between Ross and Morgan continued, the canine began biting officers who were trying to arrest the suspect.

The canine bit Cpl. Dominic Hall on the left leg and then attacked Ptl. Jamil Elwaer on his upper left thigh, pinning him on the ground.

Other officers eventually pulled the dog off of Elwaer and separated Morgan and Ross.

The poor dog was just trying to protect his handler. Sounds like handler needs some extra training.

71 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 5:42:15am

Good Morning Lizards!

Cold and light overcast in Philadelphia. If the overcast held over the western part of the state then spring is just around the corner. (Happy Groundhog Day!)

In other news it was announced yesterday that a chunk of the company I work for is going to be bought by a Brazilian corporation. How this affects my employment status has yet to be determined.

(this message will repeat every day until I get it right...)

72 huggy77  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 5:43:39am

charles - i am getting some errors when your page loads. They seem to be from the video player. I am running a macbook and got the errors in safari,opera and firefox.


1053: illegal override of play2 in org.openvideoplayer.net
1065: var actionsource is not defeined
var mediaplayer is not defined.....

74 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 5:44:15am

re: #68 rwdflynavy

Haiti earthquake: voodoo high priest claims aid monopolised by Christians

Max Beauvoir, Haiti's "supreme master" of voodoo, alleged his faith's opponents had deliberately prevented much-needed help from reaching followers of the religion, which blends the traditional beliefs of West African slaves with Roman Catholicism.

"The evangelicals are in control and they take everything for themselves," he claimed. "They have the advantage that they control the airport where everything is stuck. They take everything they get to their own people and that's a shame.

SNIP

I read that yesterday. The problem is there just aren't enough followers of the old-school voodoo. You cannot increase the voodoo church numbers strictly with zombies anymore, you need to bring in some live members too.

75 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 5:51:17am

re: #73 rwdflynavy

Bill Watterson, creator of beloved 'Calvin and Hobbes' comic strip looks back with no regrets

I absolutely love this comic strip!!!

Ah, the life of a newspaper cartoonist -- how I miss the groupies, drugs and trashed hotel rooms!

Haha. I love that strip too. Good morning all! Slow morning.

76 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:06:39am

re: #61 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Happy Groundhog Day!

I so like that movie....

"Don't drive angry!"

77 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:07:35am

re: #68 rwdflynavy

Haiti earthquake: voodoo high priest claims aid monopolised by Christians

Max Beauvoir, Haiti's "supreme master" of voodoo, alleged his faith's opponents had deliberately prevented much-needed help from reaching followers of the religion, which blends the traditional beliefs of West African slaves with Roman Catholicism.

"The evangelicals are in control and they take everything for themselves," he claimed. "They have the advantage that they control the airport where everything is stuck. They take everything they get to their own people and that's a shame.

SNIP

Let us stay within some reasonable calculations:
USA government aid to Haiti - $100M
MTV donations - $67M
Haiti population - 9M people
167:9= $19 per capita

78 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:08:33am

re: #68 rwdflynavy

Haiti earthquake: voodoo high priest claims aid monopolised by Christians

Max Beauvoir, Haiti's "supreme master" of voodoo, alleged his faith's opponents had deliberately prevented much-needed help from reaching followers of the religion, which blends the traditional beliefs of West African slaves with Roman Catholicism.

"The evangelicals are in control and they take everything for themselves," he claimed. "They have the advantage that they control the airport where everything is stuck. They take everything they get to their own people and that's a shame.

SNIP

Hey, asshole. Would you like it better if we all went home? Kept our money in our banks?

79 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:09:08am

re: #73 rwdflynavy

Bill Watterson, creator of beloved 'Calvin and Hobbes' comic strip looks back with no regrets

I absolutely love this comic strip!!!

Coffee table sized book in the living room.

80 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:09:45am

re: #71 oaktree

Got any recipes for goundhog?

81 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:11:37am

re: #73 rwdflynavy

Bill Watterson, creator of beloved 'Calvin and Hobbes' comic strip looks back with no regrets

I absolutely love this comic strip!!!

He looks a lot like Calvin's dad.

82 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:13:01am

re: #69 Doubleview

The thread's opening quote may explain Obama's disdain for Europe:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Quote: "Obama clearly has no emotional identification with Europe,” Mr. Grant said. “He has a cool, analytical view of allies and partners, but when the Europeans can’t provide much to help America solve global security problems, he doesn’t want to spend too much time on it.”

It's obviously much better to trade in those old allies for new alliances in the Middle East and South America.

What are you smoking?

83 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:20:03am

re: #81 MandyManners

He looks a lot like Calvin's dad.

Heh, I thought the same thing.

84 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:20:06am

re: #77 Ateam

Oh, it's so much more than that. And the US contribution is now $379 million, and likely to go much higher - and not counting individual state responses and those of private citizens.

85 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:20:07am

re: #80 MandyManners

Never eaten (or cooked) groundhog. Not sure how'd I'd cook one either.

86 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:22:00am

re: #76 Ericus58

I so like that movie...

"Don't drive angry!"


"You know, that's not bad for a quadriped."

87 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:25:54am

re: #83 cliffster

Heh, I thought the same thing.

Oh, good. I'm not imagining things!

88 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:27:48am

re: #85 oaktree

Never eaten (or cooked) groundhog. Not sure how'd I'd cook one either.

I bet it's similar to roasting opossum.

89 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:28:34am

re: #88 MandyManners

I bet it's similar to roasting opossum.

I've had squirrel. Not bad, for rodent meat

90 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:29:40am

re: #81 MandyManners

He looks a lotexactly like Calvin's dad.

imo...

91 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:31:52am

re: #89 cliffster

I've had squirrel. Not bad, for rodent meat

*shudder*

92 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:32:16am

re: #89 cliffster

I've had squirrel. Not bad, for rodent meat

mid-ohio friends of my mid-ohio relatives would warn you against groundhog and possum. excessively tough and gamey. I've had squirrel too...it's easier to tame than those other two critters, as long as you provide lots of help (ingredients)...like in stew.

93 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:32:26am

re: #90 Aceofwhat?

imo...

Calvin's dad doesn't have a moustache but, other than that, you're right.

94 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:32:45am

bbl

95 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:34:21am

re: #88 MandyManners

You're probably right. About the right weight range and build. I've never eaten wild game in that rough range. From rabbit straight up to deer, skipping the possum, gopher, and groundhog classes.

Reminded me of Delmar with his gopher on a stick in _ O Brother Where Art Thou_. :)

96 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:34:55am

re: #82 MandyManners

What are you smoking?

I don't know what others are smoking/drinkinginhaling'sniffing
Mixing of Hydro Marijuana with good natured Hashish make life more easy & A LOT MORE HEPPY

97 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:35:55am

re: #95 oaktree

You're probably right. About the right weight range and build. I've never eaten wild game in that rough range. From rabbit straight up to deer, skipping the possum, gopher, and groundhog classes.

Reminded me of Delmar with his gopher on a stick in _ O Brother Where Art Thou_. :)

98 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:36:15am

re: #95 oaktree

99 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:36:26am

apparently i can't type.

100 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:36:55am

re: #99 Aceofwhat?

apparently i can't type.

testing...

101 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:37:35am

re: #100 Aceofwhat?

testing...

F

102 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:37:43am

re: #95 oaktree

You're probably right. About the right weight range and build. I've never eaten wild game in that rough range. From rabbit straight up to deer, skipping the possum, gopher, and groundhog classes.

Reminded me of Delmar with his gopher on a stick in _ O Brother Where Art Thou_. :)

we thought...you was...a toad...

(wow, that was a lot of work just to get that quote in...i'm bushed...)

103 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:37:48am

Hitchens has an interesting piece on N. Korea

A Nation of Racist Dwarfs

[Link: www.slate.com...]


A black Cuban diplomat was almost lynched when he tried to show his family the sights of Pyongyang. North Korean women who return pregnant from China—the regime's main ally and protector—are forced to submit to abortions. Wall posters and banners depicting all Japanese as barbarians are only equaled by the ways in which Americans are caricatured as hook-nosed monsters. (The illustrations in this book are an education in themselves.) The United States and its partners make up in aid for the huge shortfall in North Korea's food production, but there is not a hint of acknowledgement of this by the authorities, who tell their captive subjects that the bags of grain stenciled with the Stars and Stripes are tribute paid by a frightened America to the Dear Leader.
......
Here are the two most shattering facts about North Korea. First, when viewed by satellite photography at night, it is an area of unrelieved darkness. Barely a scintilla of light is visible even in the capital city. Second, a North Korean is on average six inches shorter than a South Korean. You may care to imagine how much surplus value has been wrung out of such a slave, and for how long, in order to feed and sustain the militarized crime family that completely owns both the country and its people.

104 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:39:59am

re: #102 Aceofwhat?

If you liked O Brother, you need to see Sullivan's Travels (if you haven't already.) One of my favorite movies.

Morning everyone.

105 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:42:17am

re: #102 Aceofwhat?

Delmar gets a lot of the best throwaway lines in that movie...

"Oh no, not the livestock."

"They loved him up and turned him into a horny toad."

"In the Jailhouse Now boys, in something approaching the key of A"

:) (apologies for what I get wrong, trying to remember them off the top of my head.)

And Tim Blake Nelson does his own singing in the movie as well. George Clooney doesn't.

106 darthstar  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:42:49am

re: #69 Doubleview

The thread's opening quote may explain Obama's disdain for Europe:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Quote: "Obama clearly has no emotional identification with Europe,” Mr. Grant said. “He has a cool, analytical view of allies and partners, but when the Europeans can’t provide much to help America solve global security problems, he doesn’t want to spend too much time on it.”

It's obviously much better to trade in those old allies for new alliances in the Middle East and South America.

Disdain for Europe? You conveniently left this part of the quote off:
Mr. Obama sees Europe as an important ally, but “Obama clearly has no emotional identification with Europe,” Mr. Grant said. “He has a cool, analytical view of allies and partners, but when the Europeans can’t provide much to help America solve global security problems, he doesn’t want to spend too much time on it.”

Disdain? You. Meet fuck.

107 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:43:49am

re: #105 oaktree

"In the Jailhouse Now boys, in something approaching the key of A"

Don't mean to nitpick, but it's "In the neighborhood of A," which is even funnier.

108 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:45:55am

re: #103 RogueOne

Hold on - it's a fascinating article until right up at the end where he says "This horror show is in our future, and is so ghastly that our own darling leaders dare not face it and can only peep through their fingers at what is coming."

Our future is to become a nation of stunted, dwarven racists living in the dark??? I need help with that one...

109 SteveC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:46:02am

re: #107 Mad Al-Jaffee

Don't mean to nitpick, but it's "In the neighborhood of A," which is even funnier.

"You boys are dumber than a bag of hammers." :)

Good morning, everyone!

110 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:46:39am

re: #109 SteveC

We got a new daddy. He's bonafide!

111 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:47:19am

re: #108 Aceofwhat?

Dealing with the repercussions of a twisted regime in North Korea that seeks nuclear weapons, is throwing its weight around and dishing all kinds of military tech to the highest bidder without regard for who gets it (see Iran).

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:48:23am

re: #107 Mad Al-Jaffee

Thank you for the correction. :)

113 RogueOne  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:48:36am

re: #108 Aceofwhat?

I think he means eventually we're going to have to deal with the mess in N. Korea.

114 SteveC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:49:23am

re: #110 Mad Al-Jaffee

We got a new daddy. He's bonafide!

"Why are you telling our gals that I was hit by a train?"

115 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:49:40am

re: #111 lawhawk

Dealing with the repercussions of a twisted regime in North Korea that seeks nuclear weapons, is throwing its weight around and dishing all kinds of military tech to the highest bidder without regard for who gets it (see Iran).

Exactly. The full sentence is this:

Starving and stunted dwarves, living in the dark, kept in perpetual ignorance and fear, brainwashed into the hatred of others, regimented and coerced and inculcated with a death cult: This horror show is in our future, and is so ghastly that our own darling leaders dare not face it and can only peep through their fingers at what is coming.

Clearly he's referring to the consequences of ongoing militarism and more in NK for the rest of the world, and suggesting that our own leaders are not yet doing enough to recognise and deal with the threat NK poses.

116 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:50:16am

re: #107 Mad Al-Jaffee

Don't mean to nitpick, but it's "In the neighborhood of A," which is even funnier.

how about

"The preacher says all my sins is warshed away, includin' that Piggly Wiggly I knocked over in Yazoo"
and
"Friend? Some of your foldin' money is come unstowed. "

117 SteveC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:52:31am

re: #116 Aceofwhat?

"Friend? Some of your foldin' money is come unstowed. "

"You don't say much my friend, but when you do it's to the point, and I salute you for it."

118 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:53:56am

re: #116 Aceofwhat?

"Believe me Delmar, woman is the most fiendish instrument of torture ever devised to bedevil the days of man."

"Lots of respectable people have been hit by trains. Judge Hobbie over in Cookville was hit by a train. What was I gonna tell them, that you got sent to the penal farm and I divorced you from shame?"

119 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:54:16am

re: #115 iceweasel

I see. IMHO, Hitchens is sacrificing clarity at the altar of prose...but I do that all the time!

A far more ghastly future is putting off the threat that NK represents until they unleash something horrible (something more horrible than unleashing twisted nocturnal dwarves, i mean). But that just doesn't have the same ring as his last sentence;)

120 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:54:47am

re: #84 lawhawk

Oh, it's so much more than that. And the US contribution is now $379 million, and likely to go much higher - and not counting individual state responses and those of private citizens.

121 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:56:19am

re: #118 Mad Al-Jaffee

"Believe me Delmar, woman is the most fiendish instrument of torture ever devised to bedevil the days of man."

"Lots of respectable people have been hit by trains. Judge Hobbie over in Cookville was hit by a train. What was I gonna tell them, that you got sent to the penal farm and I divorced you from shame?"

"You work for the railroad, Grampa?"
Blind Seer: "I work for no man."
"Got a name, do you?"
"I have no name."
Everett: "Well, that right there may be the reason you've had difficulty finding gainful employment. You see, in the mart of competitive commerce... (fade)

122 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:57:11am

re: #119 Aceofwhat?

Well, I think it needs to be read in the context of the whole piece, specifically this paragraph:

These conclusions of his, in a finely argued and brilliantly written book, carry the worrisome implication that the propaganda of the regime may actually mean exactly what it says, which in turn would mean that peace and disarmament negotiations with it are a waste of time—and perhaps a dangerous waste at that.

The final sentence about our leaders and their current policies is referring back to that: the idea that peace and disarmament negotiations are a waste and possibly even a dangerous waste.

This book sounds fascinating; I definitely want to read it now.

123 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:57:28am

re: #119 Aceofwhat?

I see. IMHO, Hitchens is sacrificing clarity at the altar of prose...but I do that all the time!

A far more ghastly future is putting off the threat that NK represents until they unleash something horrible (something more horrible than unleashing twisted nocturnal dwarves, i mean). But that just doesn't have the same ring as his last sentence;)

Morlocks?

124 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:58:38am

I was reading some of Schlussel's blog this morning (I approach blogs like that like I do DU and Koz, with morbid curiosity and amusement.)

She posted something about being really ill and asking for favorite homemade remedies.

Wasn't Charles very recently sick too? Coincidence? Right around Groundhog Day? I see a connection!!!

//

125 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:59:37am

re: #122 iceweasel

If there's anyone I think capable of simply firing nukes out of sheer craziness, it's Kim Jong-il the Lame.

126 SteveC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 6:59:59am

A little melancholy, perhaps, but this came on the radio this morning, reminded me I need to pay my respects the next time I'm in DC:

Trace Adkins - Arlington

127 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:01:09am

re: #122 iceweasel

Likewise. I definitely misunderstood the depth and malevolence of the racism that appears to be prevalent.

And i also agree that, taken together, it may be more accurate to call the regime an example of the totalitarian right rather than the totalitarian left.

Wow, see how a sane person can just say that without it affecting the perception of their personal ideology? (that was for any lurking crazies whose knee just jerked)

128 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:01:48am

re: #125 Obdicut

If there's anyone I think capable of simply firing nukes out of sheer craziness, it's Kim Jong-il the Lame Gnome.

ftfy!

129 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:02:27am

And for anyone mourning Salinger's death, here's a short story by a guy with all Salinger's promise and more, but who killed himself young.

He also has the awesome name of Breece D'J Pancake.

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/77dec/pancake.htm

130 SteveC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:02:29am

re: #127 Aceofwhat?

(that was for any lurking crazies whose knee just jerked)

I wish I had those knee-jerk reactions. Maybe I could get a lovely young lady to dance with me!

131 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:04:25am

re: #125 Obdicut

L'il Kim definitely has the crazy factor dialed up to 11 and could potentially light off nukes. Ahmadinejad and Khamenei in Iran have a similarly crazy factor and also could light 'em off - for religious and ideological aims.

Kim is more likely to use the threat to demand (and get - as we've repeatedly seen under D and R administrations) humanitarian aid, oil, and time to operate his nuclear infrastructure.

The Iranians are likely to use the weapons to eliminate ideological enemies of the Shia (that would be Sunnis, Israel, the West, etc.)

132 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:04:29am

Driving in this morning, the parting shot on NPR's marketplace was that the fastest-growing surgical procedure in the UK is male breast reduction!

(i blame the haggis)

The guy's last line (i forget who did Marketplace this morning) was "...and the technical term for the condition is Gynecomastia, not 'man boobs'."

Can't remember the last time i laughed out loud during Marketplace.

133 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:05:11am

re: #125 Obdicut

If there's anyone I think capable of simply firing nukes out of sheer craziness, it's Kim Jong-il the Lame.

Definitely agree. This article does give the suggestion though that there's a nation of crazies now, inculcated with an ideology such that even deposing Dear Leader won't stop the wheels turning.

re: #127 Aceofwhat?

Likewise. I definitely misunderstood the depth and malevolence of the racism that appears to be prevalent.

And i also agree that, taken together, it may be more accurate to call the regime an example of the totalitarian right rather than the totalitarian left.

Wow, see how a sane person can just say that without it affecting the perception of their personal ideology? (that was for any lurking crazies whose knee just jerked)

ha! Yes. It made me think that too. I keep returning to (and promoting) this old essay of Umberto Eco's: Eternal Fascism. It's short and this piece by Hitchens made me think NK does belong on the rightward side of the authoritarian axis. I'll post the specific excerpt in a bit.

134 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:05:21am

re: #130 SteveC

I wish I had those knee-jerk reactions. Maybe I could get a lovely young lady to dance with me!

Wrong body part. You need hip-jerk reactions!

135 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:07:38am

Here's one bit the Hitchens' essay reminded me of w/r/t NK:

13. Ur-Fascism is based upon a selective populism, a qualitative populism, one might say.

In a democracy, the citizens have individual rights, but the citizens in their entirety have a political impact only from a quantitative point of view -- one follows the decisions of the majority. For Ur-Fascism, however, individuals as individuals have no rights, and the People is conceived as a quality, a monolithic entity expressing the Common Will. Since no large quantity of human beings can have a common will, the Leader pretends to be their interpreter. Having lost their power of delegation, citizens do not act; they are only called on to play the role of the People. Thus the People is only a theatrical fiction.

136 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:08:06am

re: #133 iceweasel

I'll read the essay. Essentially, though, the existence of "rightist" totalitarianism undermines center-right ideology like "leftist" totalitarianism undermines center-left ideology...which is to say, not at all. The faster folks (i.e. Glen Beck) get that straight, the less paranoid some of us will be...

137 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:08:32am

re: #131 lawhawk

I don't agree that the Iranians are as crazy. Plus, they don't have a completely cowed populace that's been totally brainwashed-- they just have about half of one.

Given that Iran has never invaded another country, and that I don't think that the mullahs or Ahmadinejad lack self-preservation or basic common sense and must know that they'd inevitably die after launching a nuke, I don't think that Iran would just nuke someone. I do, however, think they're entirely capable of passing nukes onto terrorists, which is frankly more scary.

Anyway, I think that the difference is that Kim Jong-il believes his own bullshit, to a certain extent. He's lived so long with this insane adulation and worship and without any criticism from below, I think that he's convinced he could fire nukes and survive somehow, or get away with it somehow.

138 SteveC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:08:42am

re: #134 Aceofwhat?

Wrong body part. You need hip-jerk reactions!

Ok, that explains a lot!

"You get them hips working, son, you could make a pretty fair living as Elvis... or Ted Williams."

139 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:10:49am

re: #133 iceweasel

Depressingly, a South Korean friend of mine who works to try to smuggle radio transmitters up into North Korea, is convinced that the day Kim Jong-il dies-- or his death is announced-- hordes of North Koreans will invade South Korea. Not the army, though there would be army with them, but just insane enraged proletariat-- and that the South Koreans (and Americans) will have to mow them down, and it'll be one of the biggest slaughters ever.

Yay, now I'm all cheered up for the day.

His point is that no one has ever experienced this before, the death of a ruler who kept his people in such lockstep with him, such utter fixation with him. There have been some places that approached it, but certainly nothing in recent history.

140 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:11:20am

re: #129 Obdicut

Have you ever read A Confederacy of Dunces? It's nothing like Salinger, but it's by a young author who commited suicide.

141 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:12:01am

re: #140 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah, I have-- it's my brother Mike's favorite book. I like it a lot, but not as much as him-- haven't read it again in years. Didn't know the author died young though.

142 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:12:25am

This thought process of determining if the Nork's are actually a 'rightist' rather than 'leftist' regime... trying to see how this is a focal issue.
It is what it is, a cult nation that was founded on the principles of communism that has morphed into a slave nation in servitude to a cult leader.

143 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:14:44am

re: #136 Aceofwhat?

I'll read the essay. Essentially, though, the existence of "rightist" totalitarianism undermines center-right ideology like "leftist" totalitarianism undermines center-left ideology...which is to say, not at all. The faster folks (i.e. Glen Beck) get that straight, the less paranoid some of us will be...

I was thinking the other day about how they relate-- (this will probably be garbled as I'm hallucinating from cold medicine at the moment)-- on the right extremist side you get fascism, and it's a right ideology because it's the extremist extension of 'conservatism', in the sense that you get the ideology of tradition for tradition's sake and a consequent hatred of modernity and diversity. A fake and extremist kind of nationalism, because the cult of tradition is partly an invented one.

On the leftward extremist side in totalitarian regimes, (Mao, Stalin) you get not a reverence for 'tradition' for tradition's sake but one of change for change's sake: Sweeping away even the concept of the family, total revolution, etc.

This is hazy and I'm just kind of gesturing towards an idea here. I'll just blame the cold meds. :)

144 SteveC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:15:17am

re: #142 Ericus58

It is what it is, a cult nation that was founded on the principles of communism that has morphed into a slave nation in servitude to a cult leader.

Both of those possibilities sound like a nightmare come to life. :(

145 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:15:42am

Good morning, folks.

Anyone got an extra coffee IV handy?

146 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:16:58am

re: #143 iceweasel

I was thinking the other day about how they relate-- (this will probably be garbled as I'm hallucinating from cold medicine at the moment)-- on the right extremist side you get fascism, and it's a right ideology because it's the extremist extension of 'conservatism', in the sense that you get the ideology of tradition for tradition's sake and a consequent hatred of modernity and diversity. A fake and extremist kind of nationalism, because the cult of tradition is partly an invented one.

On the leftward extremist side in totalitarian regimes, (Mao, Stalin) you get not a reverence for 'tradition' for tradition's sake but one of change for change's sake: Sweeping away even the concept of the family, total revolution, etc.

This is hazy and I'm just kind of gesturing towards an idea here. I'll just blame the cold meds. :)

I've always viewed totalitarianism as more or less a sort of Political Gnosticism, to rip off from Voegelin. These are largely spiritual disorders with political aspects.

147 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:18:24am

re: #139 Obdicut

Depressingly, a South Korean friend of mine who works to try to smuggle radio transmitters up into North Korea, is convinced that the day Kim Jong-il dies-- or his death is announced-- hordes of North Koreans will invade South Korea. Not the army, though there would be army with them, but just insane enraged proletariat-- and that the South Koreans (and Americans) will have to mow them down, and it'll be one of the biggest slaughters ever.

Yay, now I'm all cheered up for the day.

His point is that no one has ever experienced this before, the death of a ruler who kept his people in such lockstep with him, such utter fixation with him. There have been some places that approached it, but certainly nothing in recent history.

Got several Chinese who say their biggest fear is Norks heading into Manchuria and such. Not just civvies, but whole military units; generals setting themselves up as warlords with a mobile population of dependents and retainers.

148 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:19:09am

re: #141 Obdicut

Yeah, I have-- it's my brother Mike's favorite book. I like it a lot, but not as much as him-- haven't read it again in years. Didn't know the author died young though.

He killed himself before it was published. It got published because his mother gave Walker Percy the manuscript and he liked it. There were even rumors that Percy wrote it himself and made up the story about the manuscript.

149 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:19:17am

re: #146 Guanxi88

I've always viewed totalitarianism as more or less a sort of Political Gnosticism, to rip off from Voegelin. These are largely spiritual disorders with political aspects.

I'll have to check that out when I'm less medicated. Sounds like there's something to it though.
I probably wouldn't use the word 'spiritual' in reference to the disorder, but maybe I would say moral disorders with political manifestations. Something like that. A highly disordered cultural ethos.

150 SteveC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:19:32am

re: #145 MrSilverDragon

Good morning, folks.

Anyone got an extra coffee IV handy?

We can deliver it by IV drip, epi pen, patch, or CPAP, or nebulizer. Your choice!

151 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:20:48am

re: #133 iceweasel

Interesting. I'm in a light mood, so i'm going to debate possibly the least important point in the essay...just for fun.

I disagree that "playing with weapons" is a phallic exercise. I think that within machismo as the term is traditionally understood (chauvinist, heterosexual exaggeration of masculinity), weapons are rather a symbol of male dominance, in the same way that large muscles or sensationalized hand-to-hand combat prowess (numchuck skillz...bo skillz...computer hacking skillz...heh) can be coveted as symbols of male dominance.

The dominant male then, is assumed to be able to conquer females at his whim, whether or not he actually does. So I believe that the phallic nature of the weapon is often overstated, in that the assumption of the 'dominant male' role can create the illusion of sexual domination and prowess.

Now this is open thread posting!

152 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:21:59am

re: #142 Ericus58

This thought process of determining if the Nork's are actually a 'rightist' rather than 'leftist' regime... trying to see how this is a focal issue.
It is what it is, a cult nation that was founded on the principles of communism that has morphed into a slave nation in servitude to a cult leader.

It's not really a focal issue...it's a backhand to the G.Becks of the world, who feel compelled to construct poorly rationalized arguments about the rightist or leftist connotations of past totalitarian movements.

153 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:22:21am

re: #149 iceweasel

I'll have to check that out when I'm less medicated. Sounds like there's something to it though.
I probably wouldn't use the word 'spiritual' in reference to the disorder, but maybe I would say moral disorders with political manifestations. Something like that. A highly disordered cultural ethos.

Voegelin locates the impulse at work within a disorder he characterizes as spiritual, as it's largely a perversion (gnosticism in this sense is) of the articulation of the role and place of Man in the universe. Morality occasionally approaches this area, but is not even a secondary characteristic.

If one truly believes that the whole of the universe, society, or nation of which one is a part is fundamentally flawed (and this is what makes it dangerous - of course they're all flawed) and that direct action by individuals or masses to correct the false order is required, and that, in principle, the problems are all solvable with the right method and will, one begins to inch toward that dangerous place.

154 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:22:52am

re: #143 iceweasel

that was pretty well done for someone who is pausing to admire the pygmy purple elephant parade!

155 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:25:08am

re: #154 Aceofwhat?

That's what you're calling it these days? /in bed

156 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:26:12am

re: #145 MrSilverDragon

Good morning, folks.

Anyone got an extra coffee IV handy?

yes, but the bag is empty!

157 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:26:52am

re: #156 Aceofwhat?

yes, but the bag is empty!

I have one full of decaf.

158 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:27:19am

re: #157 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have one full of decaf.

That's worse than an empty one.

159 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:27:43am

re: #153 Guanxi88

Yeah, but what if i really AM the solution to all of your problems//

160 SteveC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:27:53am

re: #156 Aceofwhat?

yes, but the bag is empty!

Squad 51 this is Rampart. Hang one bag of Dark Roast Premium and transport as soon as possible.

We read you, Rampart. Squad 51 out.

161 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:28:48am

re: #159 Aceofwhat?

Yeah, but what if i really AM the solution to all of your problems//

Then I'm in worse trouble than I thought.

162 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:29:42am

re: #152 Aceofwhat?

It's not really a focal issue...it's a backhand to the G.Becks of the world, who feel compelled to construct poorly rationalized arguments about the rightist or leftist connotations of past totalitarian movements.

Interesting...
So, you are making a point that the Nork's who started out as "left" are now actually "right".
And the point is to hammer the wingnuts on it....

Really?
Are you then saying that our "Beck's" of the US ( I'm not sure who you mean 'of the world') will take our nation down the same path?

163 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:30:00am

re: #161 Guanxi88

Then I'm in worse trouble than I thought.

talk about taking the words right out of my mouth//

164 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:30:27am

re: #162 Ericus58

Interesting...
So, you are making a point that the Nork's who started out as "left" are now actually "right".
And the point is to hammer the wingnuts on it...

Really?
Are you then saying that our "Beck's" of the US ( I'm not sure who you mean 'of the world') will take our nation down the same path?

no and no.

try again.

165 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:31:16am

re: #154 Aceofwhat?

that was pretty well done for someone who is pausing to admire the pygmy purple elephant parade!

Heh-- thanks. I really do feel like hell so I'm taking off now-- I left you some info in that other thread about the Research 2000 poll and the sample, etc. I'll check back later.

166 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:32:02am

re: #164 Aceofwhat?

no and no.

try again.

Try what, exactly?
I'm just trying to make a logical path of your projections.

167 SteveC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:32:09am

re: #159 Aceofwhat?

Yeah, but what if i really AM the solution to all of your problems//

Akido, please bring me the Seppuku blades.

///

168 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:32:09am

re: #165 iceweasel

oh, thanks - i appreciate that. hope you get some sleep. it's still the best remedy.

169 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:33:51am

re: #167 SteveC

Akido, please bring me the Seppuku blades.

///

The sharp ones or the dull ones, Lord Asano?

170 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:34:35am

re: #166 Ericus58

Try what, exactly?
I'm just trying to make a logical path of your projections.

ah, therein lies the rub. i'm not projecting.

"let me explain. no, there is no time. let me sum up" (inigo montoye)

we should diagnose and analyze totalitarian movements dispassionately, as their ultimate classification does not taint the legitimacy of the opinions of the masses of sane people who cluster around the middle of the political spectrum.

better?

171 SteveC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:35:48am

re: #169 Guanxi88

The sharp ones or the dull ones, Lord Asano?

Doesn't matter, I'm going to stab him.

Kill myself? Do you think I'm an idiot?

///

172 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:35:55am
173 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:36:25am

re: #151 Aceofwhat?

re: #153 Guanxi88

Favourited both. Definitely beyond my capacity to read and respind well at the moment but I'll come back to it.

Ace-- there's a famous book about (male) sexuality and fascism:
Male Fantasies, Vol. 1: Women, Floods, Bodies, History

First of this two-volume work providing an imaginative interpretation of the image of women in the collective unconscious of the fascist "warrior" through a study of the fantasies of the men centrally involved in the rise of Nazism.


I read it years ago and was definitely too young to understand it but it might be worth revisiting-- anyway I think there's more to say on your point.
Later, folks!

174 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:36:51am

re: #170 Aceofwhat?

Basically that a society can reach that level of dysfunction via going "right" or "left"? And once they reach there there are a great deal of similarities under the wording that is pasted on the facade?

175 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:37:25am

re: #167 SteveC

Akido, please bring me the Seppuku blades.

///

Dang. This would be a good time to have nunchuk skillz, bow hunting skillz, or computer hacking skillz...

176 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:37:53am

re: #170 Aceofwhat?

ah, therein lies the rub. i'm not projecting.

"let me explain. no, there is no time. let me sum up" (inigo montoye)

we should diagnose and analyze totalitarian movements dispassionately, as their ultimate classification does not taint the legitimacy of the opinions of the masses of sane people who cluster around the middle of the political spectrum.

better?

Better.
And an upding for the quote.

177 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:37:58am

re: #173 iceweasel

cool. feel better!

178 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:37:59am
179 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:38:27am

re: #176 Ericus58

heh. some movies rival good gin as social lubricants, imho-

180 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:38:30am

So, Toyota announced that it has a fix and will begin shipping parts to its dealers for fixing the millions of cars affected by the accelerator issues. Now, some are claiming that the fast fix is a sign that the company knew about the pedal problems for much longer.

Of course, some of these same people would complain if the company took more time to come up with a fix and it took weeks to sort out the problems and then take months to sort out the repair schedules.

Toyota is in a no-win situation with this; whether other automakers can capitalize on this is an open question.

181 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:38:40am

re: #172 MandyManners

Where did you go? Was it a long journey, fraught with danger?!

182 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:39:58am

re: #179 Aceofwhat?

heh. some movies rival good gin as social lubricants, imho-

"a little social lubricant, Mr. Fink?"

183 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:40:23am

re: #181 Ericus58

Where did you go? Was it a long journey, fraught with danger?!

Immense danger. Danger around every corner.

184 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:40:26am

re: #174 oaktree

Basically that a society can reach that level of dysfunction via going "right" or "left"? And once they reach there there are a great deal of similarities under the wording that is pasted on the facade?

yes, if i understand you correctly. imho, totalitarian regimes of all stripes have more in common with each other than with the more sane ideology they abandoned a long, long time ago. the story of Hitler no more undermines my positions than the story of Stalin undermines a Democrat's positions.

185 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:40:51am

Tiger Woods and high end burnout....someone is gonna take a hit

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

186 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:41:46am

re: #183 MandyManners

Immense danger. Danger around every corner.

Oh oh, is he back up on the roof?!

187 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:41:47am

re: #183 MandyManners

Fraught with danger.

188 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:42:01am

re: #183 MandyManners

Immense danger. Danger around every corner.

I get that every time I go downstairs to start the coffee. Three kids, two cats, and a clingy, neurotic dog. It's a challenge just getting to the kitchen without breaking my neck.

189 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:42:01am

re: #186 Ericus58

Oh oh, is he back up on the roof?!

Nah. Back in school.

190 SteveC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:42:17am

re: #183 MandyManners

Immense danger. Danger around every corner.

He went to the arcade. :)

191 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:42:22am

re: #188 Guanxi88

I get that every time I go downstairs to start the coffee. Three kids, two cats, and a clingy, neurotic dog. It's a challenge just getting to the kitchen without breaking my neck.

YIKES!

192 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:42:47am

re: #190 SteveC

He went to the arcade. :)

We did that a bit yesterday.

193 SteveC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:42:51am

re: #182 Guanxi88

"a little social lubricant, Mr. Fink?"

"Thank you, no. I am trying to quit."

194 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:43:08am

re: #185 albusteve

Tiger Wood's 10 Rules for Men

1. It's important to have a woman who helps at home.
2. It's important to have a woman who cooks from time to time.
3. It's important to have a woman who keeps the house clean.
4. It's important to have a woman who has a job.
5. It's important to have a woman who likes you.
6. It's important to have a woman who can be your very best friend.
7. It's important to have a woman who can make you laugh.
8. It's important to have a woman who you can trust, who doesn't lie to you.
9. It's important to have a woman who is good in bed.
10. It's very, very important that these nine women do not know each other.

195 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:43:21am

re: #191 MandyManners

YIKES!

"kids, you know daddy loves you, but if you don't let go of my legs RIGHT NOW......"

196 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:43:45am

re: #189 MandyManners

Nah. Back in school.

Whew! I'll put the extension ladder away then...

197 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:44:18am

A Good NeWS From Cancer Front Combat
Israel MD founded a way to fight Melanoma by implantation E-cells from the main source into metastasis & helping the body to heal itself. The result are great. More then 80%.

198 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:44:25am

re: #195 Guanxi88

"kids, you know daddy loves you, but if you don't let go of my legs RIGHT NOW..."

Our cat refuses to drink from a bowl. He drinks from a glass.

199 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:44:46am

re: #193 SteveC

"Thank you, no. I am trying to quit."

All of us undomesticated writers eventually make our way out here to the great salt lick.
That's probably why I always have such a powerful thirst.

200 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:44:59am

dog shoots man....
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

201 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:45:14am

re: #197 Ateam

A Good NeWS From Cancer Front Combat
Israel MD founded a way to fight Melanoma by implantation E-cells from the main source into metastasis & helping the body to heal itself. The result are great. More then 80%.

post your words missing some are thinks me

202 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:45:18am

re: #184 Aceofwhat?

I think we are in agreement. Nations/entities that go off the rails into cults of personality and totalitarianism are not good reflections of their claimed idealogies. Those are plastered on top as the on-going reason for the continued state of emergency (and as reason for the external/internal enemies that must be constantly watched out for with extreme diligence.)

/ Fran-and-Olliegarchy :: Mastered by puppets

203 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:45:37am

re: #196 Ericus58

GET OFF THE SHED!

204 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:45:41am

re: #196 Ericus58

Whew! I'll put the extension ladder away then...

This house has four storeys but he usually goes only to the part of the roof over a bit of the second storey.

205 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:45:51am

re: #198 MandyManners

Our cat refuses to drink from a bowl. He drinks from a glass.

Our oldest cat - a feral furry little demon - refuses to eat cat food. She'll have what you're having, or what the dog is having, thank you.

206 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:46:19am

re: #198 MandyManners

One of mine insists on drinking from a sink. No sissy-dog bowls!

207 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:47:31am

re: #203 Mad Al-Jaffee

GET OFF THE SHED!

IF YOU DON’T GET DOWN FROM THAT DAMN SHED I WILL LEGALLY CHANGE YOUR NAMES TO FRUIT AND WUSSY!

208 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:47:51am

re: #205 Guanxi88

Our oldest cat - a feral furry little demon - refuses to eat cat food. She'll have what you're having, or what the dog is having, thank you.

Good for her!

209 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:48:14am

re: #206 oaktree

One of mine insists on drinking from a sink. No sissy-dog bowls!

I once had a cat who slept in the bath tub. Under the faucet.

210 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:48:53am

re: #178 MandyManners

Duh.

i think the President's favorite band is Bow Wow Wow

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

/

211 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:49:20am

I gotta' go work on the country club's committee for the mid-winter fest.

Later, Lizards.

212 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:49:48am

re: #210 _RememberTonyC

i think the President's favorite band is Bow Wow Wow

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

/

Fucking idiot.

213 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:50:48am

re: #211 MandyManners

I gotta' go work on the country club's committee for the mid-winter fest.

Later, Lizards.

boooring

214 SteveC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:51:21am

re: #210 _RememberTonyC

i think the President's favorite band is Bow Wow Wow

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

/

We already know that he loves Michelle!

/// x 16

215 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:52:43am

re: #209 MandyManners

My dog is getting strange(r) in her old age. She likes to sleep in the kitchen, right by the side entrance door.

216 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:55:11am

re: #201 Aceofwhat?

re: #197 Ateam


post your words missing some are thinks me

don't understand U - pleas explain

217 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:55:37am

re: #212 MandyManners

Fucking idiot.

did you just call me or the POTUS a fucking idiot?

218 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:56:09am

“My disappointment — no, that’s the wrong word; I’ll try to find a better word,” he said. “My amazement has been John McCain. I thought he’d turn out to be a statesman, work for things. He’s against everything. He’s against everything! He didn’t used to be against everything.”“I’m very disappointed in how he’s reacted [after the 2008 election],” Reid added. “You know we’ve had some people who’ve run for office [and] lost, who’ve come back and been great statesmen. John Kerry is one example, Al Gore is another, Jimmy Carter. I just think he’s got to get over this and move onto something else.”

Dirty Harry spreading the blame..."he's against everything"!....EVERYTHING!


Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

219 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:57:41am

re: #218 albusteve

“My disappointment — no, that’s the wrong word; I’ll try to find a better word,” he said. “My amazement has been John McCain. I thought he’d turn out to be a statesman, work for things. He’s against everything. He’s against everything! He didn’t used to be against everything.”“I’m very disappointed in how he’s reacted [after the 2008 election],” Reid added. “You know we’ve had some people who’ve run for office [and] lost, who’ve come back and been great statesmen. John Kerry is one example, Al Gore is another, Jimmy Carter. I just think he’s got to get over this and move onto something else.”

Dirty Harry spreading the blame..."he's against everything"!...EVERYTHING!


Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]


jimmy carter is NOT a statesman, he's a fucking ass hole scumbag antisemite who gets his allowance from oil sheikhs.

220 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:58:24am

I love a clever headline.

Bachmann turnover overdrive
By GLENN THRUSH %P% 2/2/10 8:48 AM
She continues burning through her staff at a brisk rate. The latest? Her press secretary.

Sorry for the headline, but, hey, the turnover parade continues for Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), who is burning through staff at a brisk rate.

The latest: Debbee Keller, Bachmann's press secretary, who had been on the job for less than a year.
SNIP

221 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:00:32am

re: #215 Mad Al-Jaffee

We had a cat sleeping in the bathtub. But that was due to a very, very, bad flea issue. Cat had gotten feeble enough due to age that she wasn't able to groom properly. Thus the fleas got out of control -- and were everywhere. We got bit, the cat got bit, and the cat slept on non-fabric surfaces (chairs, bathtub, etc. to get a bit more relief. In the morning there'd be four or five loose fleas trapped in the tub to be dispatched.

Our family probably finished her off trying to treat it. Flea powder, flea baths, and even getting the cat out of the house for a day to flea bomb the place. A bathed, soaking wet cat is a pathetic sight. And the number of fleas that jumped off the cat onto the towel when we dried her off was phenomenal. My mother and I killed a few hundred at least manually at that point. :(

222 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:01:00am

re: #218 albusteve

“My disappointment — no, that’s the wrong word; I’ll try to find a better word,” he said. “My amazement has been John McCain. I thought he’d turn out to be a statesman, work for things. He’s against everything. He’s against everything! He didn’t used to be against everything.”“I’m very disappointed in how he’s reacted [after the 2008 election],” Reid added. “You know we’ve had some people who’ve run for office [and] lost, who’ve come back and been great statesmen. John Kerry is one example, Al Gore is another, Jimmy Carter. I just think he’s got to get over this and move onto something else.”

Dirty Harry spreading the blame..."he's against everything"!...EVERYTHING!


Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

Jimmy Carter came back as a great statesman?
Excuse me while I try not to break a rib from laughing too hard.

223 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:01:04am

. The self-proclaimed "supermarket tabloid" single-handedly uncovered that the Democratic presidential candidate was cheating on his cancer-stricken wife, Elizabeth Edwards; fathered a child with campaign staffer Rielle Hunter; covered up the affair by having an aide claim paternity; and possibly misappropriated campaign funds to pay Miss Hunter to go into hiding with the child.

National Enquirer...give em the Prize, they earned it and deserve it

[Link: washingtontimes.com...]

224 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:01:42am

re: #216 Ateam

don't understand U - pleas explain

exaaactly

225 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:01:58am

re: #222 Spare O'Lake

Hah! Reid is hoping to do the same for himself. He is so gone.

226 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:02:11am

re: #218 albusteve

His list of great statesmen who ran for the top office and lost only include those three? Did these three makes some sort of breakthough in world peace, cure cancer, improve the diets of the world? Rather think not....

Harry, retire.

227 Stanghazi  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:02:55am

re: #223 albusteve

. The self-proclaimed "supermarket tabloid" single-handedly uncovered that the Democratic presidential candidate was cheating on his cancer-stricken wife, Elizabeth Edwards; fathered a child with campaign staffer Rielle Hunter; covered up the affair by having an aide claim paternity; and possibly misappropriated campaign funds to pay Miss Hunter to go into hiding with the child.

National Enquirer...give em the Prize, they earned it and deserve it

[Link: washingtontimes.com...]

Pulitizer! I agree!

228 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:03:17am

re: #223 albusteve

. The self-proclaimed "supermarket tabloid" single-handedly uncovered that the Democratic presidential candidate was cheating on his cancer-stricken wife, Elizabeth Edwards; fathered a child with campaign staffer Rielle Hunter; covered up the affair by having an aide claim paternity; and possibly misappropriated campaign funds to pay Miss Hunter to go into hiding with the child.

National Enquirer...give em the Prize, they earned it and deserve it

[Link: washingtontimes.com...]


john edwards was right about there being two Americas. One is where the decent people abound. The other is where edwards and his ilk hang out.

229 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:03:18am

re: #223 albusteve

Okay one good scoop. A million in one shot came through. Sorry, the only way I'm buying that paper is if I get a bird.

230 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:03:40am

re: #224 Aceofwhat?

re: #216 Ateam


exaaactly

so?

231 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:04:45am

re: #226 Ericus58

His list of great statesmen who ran for the top office and lost only include those three? Did these three makes some sort of breakthough in world peace, cure cancer, improve the diets of the world? Rather think not...

Harry, retire.

No, those three are Great Statesman - nearly as great as Mr. Reid and the POTUS - because they share his world-view in large part.

More importantly, though, it's him taking the chance to take a shot at McCain and to crow in triumph; why wouldn't the worm take the opportunity to trash him? I mean, it's not as if McCain ever did anything for anyone.....

232 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:04:54am

re: #216 Ateam

don't understand U - pleas explain

your post was garbled and barely intelligible, if you haven't figured it out yet. if you could lapse back into english, that'd be greaaat...yeaaah...thaaanks

(and we're gonna need you to move your desk...sooo...yeaaah)

233 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:05:16am

re: #229 Rightwingconspirator

Okay one good scoop. A million in one shot came through. Sorry, the only way I'm buying that paper is if I get a bird.

Hahaha! Make sure it isn't a talkie... I can only imagine the headlines it would be spouting if it could read... lmao.

234 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:06:31am

re: #228 _RememberTonyC

john edwards was right about there being two Americas. One is where the decent people abound. The other is where edwards and his ilk hang out.

two America's
those with perfect hair...and
the rest of us

235 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:07:30am

re: #229 Rightwingconspirator

Okay one good scoop. A million in one shot came through. Sorry, the only way I'm buying that paper is if I get a bird.

they dogged it...they took down John Edwards...no small thing

236 Stanghazi  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:07:30am

re: #233 Ericus58

Hahaha! Make sure it isn't a talkie... I can only imagine the headlines it would be spouting if it could read... lmao.

Tiger....squawk! Cellulite ....squawk! Cheating...squawk!

237 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:07:43am

re: #228 _RememberTonyC

john edwards was right about there being two Americas. One is where the decent people abound. The other is where edwards and his ilk hang out.

heh. Palin would have been 3x the vice-president that he would have been. What does THAT say about someone when they're on the wrong end of the Palin equation?

238 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:08:11am

"No one making less than $250,000 will have their taxes raised" Who said that?

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

If the provisions are allowed to expire on December 31, the top-tier personal income tax rate will rise to 39.6 percent from 35 percent. But lower-income families will pay more as well: the 25 percent tax bracket will revert back to 28 percent; the 28 percent bracket will increase to 31 percent; and the 33 percent bracket will increase to 36 percent. The special 10 percent bracket is eliminated.

Investors will pay more on their earnings next year as well, with the tax on dividends jumping to 39.6 percent from 15 percent and the capital-gains tax increasing to 20 percent from 15 percent. The estate tax is eliminated this year, but it will return in 2011 -- though there has been talk about reinstating the death tax sooner.

239 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:09:03am

It's not New Wave-y enough in here...

240 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:09:05am

re: #217 _RememberTonyC

did you just call me or the POTUS a fucking idiot?

Bow Wow...WOW!

241 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:09:54am

re: #238 cliffster

Hasn't he announced that he wants to max the tax cuts under $250,000 permanent?

242 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:10:28am

re: #241 Obdicut

Has he?

243 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:10:33am

Onyango, a computer programmer, has been in the country illegally since 2004, when Shapiro ordered her to leave

uh oh....BOs illegal alien auntie goes up for another hearing...AuntiGate!

[Link: bostonherald.com...]

244 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:10:42am

re: #232 Aceofwhat?

I could, I could set the building on fire.

245 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:10:51am

re: #241 Obdicut

Hasn't he announced that he wants to max the tax cuts under $250,000 permanent?

i believe so

246 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:12:10am

re: #237 Aceofwhat?

heh. Palin would have been 3x the vice-president that he would have been. What does THAT say about someone when they're on the wrong end of the Palin equation?

i think edwards is pretty smart ... smarter than "Para Sailin," but he is a dirtbag lying sack of ___. She appears to be a decent soul.

247 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:13:28am

re: #220 Rightwingconspirator

Me too...not enough clever headlines anymore...too many that are unintentionally funny though...

One of our local papers ran this stinker:

Illness kills Hardy teen.

(Hardy is a local town)

248 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:13:55am

re: #240 Spare O'Lake

Bow Wow...WOW!

I think Mandy was tagging him (not me), but I wanted to make sure :)

249 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:14:15am

re: #246 _RememberTonyC

i think edwards is pretty smart ... smarter than "Para Sailin," but he is a dirtbag lying sack of ___. She appears to be a decent soul.

If you don't count the pathalogical lying, quitting before the job is done and so on...

250 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:14:48am

re: #242 cliffster

Yes.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]


The budget extends the middle class tax cuts passed by the Bush administration in 2001 and 2003, but lets cuts for the wealthy expire to help pay for his plan. Those cuts were due to expire at the end of 2010. If Congress approves Obama's recommendations, the Bush tax cuts would expire only for couples making more than $250,000 per year.

and

[Link: www.nj.com...]

With his budget proposal tomorrow, Obama will urge Congress to extend all of the Bush-era tax cuts for those who make less than $250,000 a year and to end those cuts for everyone who makes more than that, as he promised in his campaign.

251 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:15:25am

re: #247 PT Barnum

"Ike Beats Tina to Death"

252 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:15:29am

re: #232 Aceofwhat?

re: #216 Ateam


your post was garbled and barely intelligible, if you haven't figured it out yet. if you could lapse back into English, that'd be greaaat...yeaaah...thaaanks

(and we're gonna need you to move your desk...sooo...yeaaah)

sorry, a long ago I blame myself 4 being a poor English writer. It is not even my third lingo. But not mingle it with the ability of trading ideas. I'm not so a bad boy in this area (with a lot of miss germinal)

253 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:16:09am

re: #248 _RememberTonyC

I think Mandy was tagging him (not me), but I wanted to make sure :)

in bed?

254 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:16:59am

re: #249 PT Barnum

If you don't count the pathalogical lying, quitting before the job is done and so on...

edwards sets the bar pretty low, so even Para Sailin has to work hard to be worse than he is.

255 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:17:13am

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

real good argument in favor of Military Tribunals...dissenters should read this

256 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:17:49am

re: #241 Obdicut

He's probably going to make the four lowest rates permanent, and raise the top bracket. That's the tax rates.

Then there are credits, deductions, and exemptions. On that front, the Administration is proposing to sunset the Making Work Pay credit, which would amount to a tax hike on the middle class.

The cut costs the federal government about $63 billion in annual revenue while putting up to $400 in the pockets of workers making less than $95,000. It was approved for the first time in last year’s $787 billion stimulus package.
257 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:18:12am

re: #247 PT Barnum

Me too...not enough clever headlines anymore...too many that are unintentionally funny though...

One of our local papers ran this stinker:

Illness kills Hardy teen.

(Hardy is a local town)

You can always find, or rewrite, a good headline from Surprise, AZ.

258 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:19:02am

re: #252 Ateam

sorry, a long ago I blame myself 4 being a poor English writer. It is not even my third lingo. But not mingle it with the ability of trading ideas. I'm not so a bad boy in this area (with a lot of miss germinal)

We can do french, if you'd like. I greatly support the learning of additional languages, but i'm afraid that there is nothing emotional or illogical about saying that a minimum level of ability is necessary to accurately communicate ideas back and forth. You're of course welcome to keep posting.

259 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:19:06am

re: #254 _RememberTonyC

edwards sets the bar pretty low, so even Para Sailin has to work hard to be worse than he is.

Here's my issue with that...Edwards sins were primarily private. Palin's sins were probably more public and had the potential to harm more people than Edwards'.

I wish we would just let politicians live their private lives in private and pay closer attention to their behavior that actually affects policy and government. There's enough scandal there for everyone, though I admit it's not as exciting or as tittilating as the sex stuff.

260 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:20:42am

re: #235 albusteve

True.

261 avanti  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:21:05am

re: #178 MandyManners

Duh.

I assume you saw bow video by now Mandy.

262 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:21:06am

re: #197 Ateam

A Good NeWS From Cancer Front Combat
Israel MD founded a way to fight Melanoma by implantation E-cells from the main source into metastasis & helping the body to heal itself. The result are great. More then 80%.

Excellent news.
Now if they can just find a cure for illiteracy...

263 Stanghazi  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:22:06am

re: #262 Spare O'Lake

Excellent news.
Now if they can just find a cure for illiteracy...

2nd or 3rd language. Chill on the poster!

264 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:22:07am

re: #259 PT Barnum

Here's my issue with that...Edwards sins were primarily private. Palin's sins were probably more public and had the potential to harm more people than Edwards'.

I wish we would just let politicians live their private lives in private and pay closer attention to their behavior that actually affects policy and government. There's enough scandal there for everyone, though I admit it's not as exciting or as tittilating as the sex stuff.

Oh, so Edwards' manipulation of an aide to claim paternity and payments made with campaign funds were private affairs. Got it.

(here's a napkin...you have a piece of partisan on your chin)

265 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:23:53am

re: #263 Stanley Sea

2nd or 3rd language. Chill on the poster!

Somewhere in between chill and total pardon, imho. My french grammar isn't always perfect...so when i post on a French site, i take extra time to make sure i correct as many things as possible. I can forgive the delay of a poster who is laboring in a different language. Some of this is indifference, which is fair to criticize.

266 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:25:08am

re: #151 Aceofwhat?

Interesting. I'm in a light mood, so i'm going to debate possibly the least important point in the essay...just for fun.

I disagree that "playing with weapons" is a phallic exercise. I think that within machismo as the term is traditionally understood (chauvinist, heterosexual exaggeration of masculinity), weapons are rather a symbol of male dominance, in the same way that large muscles or sensationalized hand-to-hand combat prowess (numchuck skillz...bo skillz...computer hacking skillz...heh) can be coveted as symbols of male dominance.

The dominant male then, is assumed to be able to conquer females at his whim, whether or not he actually does. So I believe that the phallic nature of the weapon is often overstated, in that the assumption of the 'dominant male' role can create the illusion of sexual domination and prowess.

Now this is open thread posting!

Sometimes an IRBM is just an IRBM.

267 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:25:15am

The Justice Department budget for 2011 unveiled Monday calls for about $172 million for the federal government to acquire and renovate the state-owned prison in Thomson, Illinois, and another $66 million to eventually staff and equip it.

why is this a good idea?...purely symbolic and a victory for the bad guys, using the very same logic about the NYC trials...imo

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

268 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:27:36am

re: #257 wrenchwench

re: #247 PT Barnum


You can always find, or rewrite, a good headline from Surprise, AZ.

Just to the preportions -- English spoken r about 5% of earth. not 2 say that USA is the main country in the planet. Pleas be moderate with a guy who not son familiar with American-English lingo.

269 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:27:42am

re: #264 Aceofwhat?

I'm not saying that Edwards can be excused, but his sins were committed without being in office. Sarah's weren't, and had much more to do with her governing than Edwards' did.

270 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:28:07am

re: #256 lawhawk

He's also proposed his payroll tax cuts be made permanent, as well.

271 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:28:36am

re: #261 avanti

I assume you saw bow video by now Mandy.

the Bowists are making far more fuss over this thing than the antiBowers....notice the phoney antioutrage?....you guys crack me up!...preemptive counter outrage!...hahaha!....get unover it!

272 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:28:50am

re: #149 iceweasel

I'll have to check that out when I'm less medicated. Sounds like there's something to it though.
I probably wouldn't use the word 'spiritual' in reference to the disorder, but maybe I would say moral disorders with political manifestations. Something like that. A highly disordered cultural ethos.

If we want the right to face their crazies, we have to acknowledge ours (lest we mirror "Liberal Fascism"). Historically the DPRK came out of Soviet Marxism, so it's Left. There are a couple unique facets, like dynastic succession, that are just Korean.

273 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:29:08am

re: #268 Ateam

I'm sorry, but it's kind of common courtesy to old speak when you have a reasonable chance to be understood.

274 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:29:10am

re: #268 Ateam

Just to the preportions -- English spoken r about 5% of earth. not 2 say that USA is the main country in the planet. Pleas be moderate with a guy who not son familiar with American-English lingo.

Patently and completely untrue.

275 garhighway  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:29:28am

re: #264 Aceofwhat?

Oh, so Edwards' manipulation of an aide to claim paternity and payments made with campaign funds were private affairs. Got it.

(here's a napkin...you have a piece of partisan on your chin)

I suspect that if we had consensus that private stuff stayed private, you wouldn't see public officials doing stupid things like misusing aides, offering jobs to cuckolds, lying about their whereabouts on the Appalachian Trail and all the rest just to keep the affair under wraps. As they say, it's always the coverup that gets you.

But a fair way to look at this is that how you (not YOU, but a hypothetical politician) behave when you get caught is the truest test of character. So maybe the gotcha game has some redeeming value. But I wonder how many statesmen from our history would have gotten snagged if we behaved this way years ago.

276 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:29:50am

re: #269 PT Barnum

I'm not saying that Edwards can be excused, but his sins were committed without being in office. Sarah's weren't, and had much more to do with her governing than Edwards' did.

why don't you compare Edwards to say, JFK?....that would be a far more funner debate

277 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:29:50am

re: #268 Ateam

I hope you won't get too frustrated. Sometimes the wordplay can go fast and furious around here and I can understand how hard it would be for someone who is not a native speaker to keep up. I can imagine how I would feel on a Spanish or French forum.

That being said, here is the only bi-lingual pun I know.

When asked who the big horse beside him was, the little horse replied
c'est ma mare.

278 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:31:09am

re: #269 PT Barnum

I'm not saying that Edwards can be excused, but his sins were committed without being in office. Sarah's weren't, and had much more to do with her governing than Edwards' did.

IIRC, up until the campaign her citizens were ecstatic with her governing. And i'm not as willing as you to draw distinctions between campaign crimes and governing crimes. But i'm happy to agree to disagree.

279 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:31:42am

re: #276 albusteve

I didn't make the comparison. The comparison was made between Edwards and Sarah Palin. Frankly I wouldn't want either of them as VP or President.

280 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:32:25am

My lunch reading later will be this paper in full. Just a skim made me want to poast it in line with the tagline for the overnight...The history of the world is the history of a privileged few.
— Henry Miller
[Link: www.cato.org...]
A Perfect Storm of Ignorance
Jeffrey Friedman is the editor of Critical Review and of Causes of the Financial Crisis, forthcoming from the University of Pennsylvania Press.

You are familiar by now with the role of the Federal Reserve in stimulating the housing boom; the role of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in encouraging lowequity mortgages; and the role of the Community Reinvestment Act in mandating loans to "subprime" borrowers, meaning those who were poor credit risks. So you may think that the government caused the financial crisis. But you don't know the half of it. And neither does the government.

281 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:33:50am

re: #268 Ateam

Just to the preportions -- English spoken r about 5% of earth. not 2 say that USA is the main country in the planet. Pleas be moderate with a guy who not son familiar with American-English lingo.

How about the reply/quote button skills? Need some slack there too? :)

282 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:35:00am
283 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:36:25am

re: #275 garhighway

I suspect that if we had consensus that private stuff stayed private, you wouldn't see public officials doing stupid things like misusing aides, offering jobs to cuckolds, lying about their whereabouts on the Appalachian Trail and all the rest just to keep the affair under wraps. As they say, it's always the coverup that gets you.

But a fair way to look at this is that how you (not YOU, but a hypothetical politician) behave when you get caught is the truest test of character. So maybe the gotcha game has some redeeming value. But I wonder how many statesmen from our history would have gotten snagged if we behaved this way years ago.

Well, my little ol' personal opinion is that your second paragraph is closer to the truth. Minor sexual indiscretions are unpleasant but not necessarily any reflection on an individual's capability in office...but being in office will attract all sorts of nefarious favor-seekers, and someone who can't (a) resist unwise temptations of various sorts and (b) goes nuts trying to cover their tracks is a person i feel comfortable mistrusting with the public office.

sex isn't the only temptation, or the only sin that one might be tempted to cover up.

284 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:37:48am

Thank you all 4 your kindness. I just try to find up what is going on (in English-US stile)

285 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:38:48am

China warns Obama not to meet Dalai Lama

China dictating to the POTUS...wonder how this will turn

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

286 jaunte  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:39:07am

re: #284 Ateam

Where in the world are you?

287 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:39:10am

re: #284 Ateam

Thank you all 4 your kindness. I just try to find up what is going on (in English-US stile)

What is your first language?

289 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:40:28am

re: #280 Rightwingconspirator

Just bear in mind the Cato Institute is a tool of the Koch family.

290 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:41:06am

re: #286 jaunte

Where in the world are you?

And should we call him Hannibal, Face, Murdock, or B.A. Baracus///

291 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:41:22am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Obama's budget: Impact on your taxes

basically, soak the rich...aren't you glad you're not rich?

292 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:42:17am

re: #288 Aceofwhat?

Could be true. Depends on the area code

293 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:42:25am

re: #289 Killgore Trout

Just bear in mind the Cato Institute is a tool of the Koch family.

Does that disqualify it on its face?

294 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:44:46am

re: #289 Killgore Trout

Just bear in mind the Cato Institute is a tool of the Koch family.

And of the Ford Foundation
And Ploughshares
And the Marijuana Policy Project

Yep, a regular buncha whacked out folk, them Cato guys.

295 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:44:58am

re: #277 PT Barnum

You inspire me to try to re-create a favorite:

An elderly German couple was visiting Paris when the wife suddenly died. The old man decided to bury her in the city they both loved, and made hurried funeral arrangements. He managed, with his poor French, to outfit himself in proper mourning clothes, but could not remember the word for "hat". After struggling with the shop clerk, he managed to convey: Mein Frau ist mort, und I want, J' mussen haben, un capot noir. The Parisian clerk, catching his drift, smiled sympathetically and responded: " Quelle dellicatesse!!"

296 avanti  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:45:28am

re: #291 albusteve

basically, soak the rich...aren't you glad you're not rich?

Nope, I wish I was rich. I'd be happy with even 350K/year and pay the extra 3K in taxes for the 100K over since I'd still be up a lot of money.

297 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:46:04am

re: #293 Aceofwhat?

Does that disqualify it on its face?


To me it does. They publish a lot of complete bullshit and I don't bother to read their stuff anymore, just too dishonest.

298 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:46:17am

re: #296 avanti

Nope, I wish I was rich. I'd be happy with even 350K/year and pay the extra 3K in taxes for the 100K over since I'd still be up a lot of money.

Better not invest any of it - I understand the capital gains thing might be going up.

299 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:46:28am

From the "let's give 'em a state" files: Kassam rocket lands in Israel and terrorists admit that two sets of explosives (each 80kg) were meant for a mass casualty attack planned against an oil rig in Southern Israel.

Meanwhile, researchers may have uncovered a $6 billion natural gas find off Israel's coast. We'll see how quick the Palestinians try to claim it as theirs.

300 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:47:04am

re: #294 Guanxi88

Yep, a regular buncha whacked out folk, them Cato guys.


Yes, They are one of the main reasons for the revival of the Birch Society.

301 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:47:11am

So long as most people do not look beyond superficial appearances, politicians can get away with playing Santa Claus on all sorts of issues, while leaving havoc in their wake-- such as growing unemployment, despite all the jobs being "created."

T Sowell at AmThinker

302 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:47:58am

re: #300 Killgore Trout

Yes, They are one of the main reasons for the revival of the Birch Society.

So, Cato's with the JBS?

It'd be news to them both.

303 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:48:24am

Sarah Palin is outraged.....
Are You Capable of Decency, Rahm Emanuel?

Rahm is known for his caustic, crude references about those with whom he disagrees, but his recent tirade against participants in a strategy session was such a strong slap in many American faces that our president is doing himself a disservice by seeming to condone Rahm’s recent sick and offensive tactic.

The Obama Administration’s Chief of Staff scolded participants, calling them, “F---ing retarded,” according to several participants, as reported in the Wall Street Journal.

Just as we’d be appalled if any public figure of Rahm’s stature ever used the “N-word” or other such inappropriate language, Rahm’s slur on all God’s children with cognitive and developmental disabilities – and the people who love them – is unacceptable, and it’s heartbreaking.

304 avanti  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:48:44am

re: #298 Guanxi88

Better not invest any of it - I understand the capital gains thing might be going up.

I'd probably do what some the rich do at the casino, play $1000 hand Blackjack, not $25 or $50.

305 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:49:28am

re: #304 avanti

I'd probably do what some the rich do at the casino, play $1000 hand Blackjack, not $25 or $50.

No, spread your money around at the lower hand tables. It;s just as much fun, and the odds are just the same, so why not?

306 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:50:14am

re: #289 Killgore Trout

Indeed. I'll be reading carefully, but CATO is still a better than most resource for the fiscal con.

307 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:50:14am
308 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:50:32am

re: #297 Killgore Trout

To me it does. They publish a lot of complete bullshit and I don't bother to read their stuff anymore, just too dishonest.

We need to evaluate analysis on the basis of the analysis, with the source in the back of our minds as a possible explanation if we indeed find the analysis to be flawed.

With a few lunatic exceptions (e.g. white supremacists, etc), refusing to consider an analysis solely on the basis of its source is a practice that will do much to widen and harden the gaps between many of the opinions here and elsewhere.

309 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:50:49am

re: #302 Guanxi88

So, Cato's with the JBS?

It'd be news to them both.

It's well known: Koch Family Foundations


The foundations are financed via the oil and gas fortunes of Fred G. Koch, a founding member of the John Birch Society. David is a libertarian who "provides a significant amount of funding for the Cato Institute's $4 million annual budget."
310 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:51:01am

re: #297 Killgore Trout

On AGW I agree, on tax and policy-Not So Much.

311 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:51:16am

The Saints are coming. And so are we, their loyal, long-suffering and slightly discombobulated Super Bowl-bound fans.

if the Saints can pull this off, it will one of the great sports stories in the last couple of decades...GEAUX SAINTS!

[Link: www.nola.com...]

312 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:51:20am

Will I gut stew go know.
Seal ate her.

313 Kragar  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:51:23am

Just saw that District 9 got nominated for Best Picture. Cool that it got nominated though I don't think it has much of a chance to win.

314 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:51:47am

re: #303 Killgore Trout

You don't have to be a fan of Palin to be outraged at Rham's behaviour. Seriously.

315 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:51:52am

re: #303 Killgore Trout

My point exactly. I suspect that many find that opinion to be dead on, regardless of the fact that its author is Palin.

316 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:52:23am

re: #286 jaunte

Where in the world are you?

re: #287 Spare O'Lake

What is your first language?

I live by the MED sea, Tel Avia, Israel, and my lingo is Hebrew first, Arabic next, Germen 3rd & English only at the fifth or sixth level. So sorry, but this is my personal situation

317 avanti  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:53:21am

re: #305 Guanxi88

No, spread your money around at the lower hand tables. It;s just as much fun, and the odds are just the same, so why not?

Yea, but the rich get the nicest suites. :) I know one player who's wife gets a 10K "allowance" to dump in the $100 slots for entertainment while he's at the tables. I want to be that rich.

318 avanti  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:53:58am

re: #313 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just saw that District 9 got nominated for Best Picture. Cool that it got nominated though I don't think it has much of a chance to win.

Great movie though.

319 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:54:20am

re: #309 Killgore Trout

Fred C. Koch, co-founder of the Birchers, died in 1967; but nice try.

His son, David Koch, gives to Cato.

But just as you please. the name koch alone suffices to taint.

So, you gonna boycott ford?

320 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:54:24am

re: #313 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just saw that District 9 got nominated for Best Picture. Cool that it got nominated though I don't think it has much of a chance to win.

I don't care at all about the Oscars, but it would be nice to see a real sci fi film beat that stupid (but great looking) piece of propaganda Avatar.

321 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:54:47am

re: #309 Killgore Trout

So according to your post, Fred's positions are irrelevant. What does DAVID believe? Is he a JBS supporter?

322 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:55:19am

re: #316 Ateam

I live by the MED sea, Tel Avia, Israel, and my lingo is Hebrew first, Arabic next, Germen 3rd & English only at the fifth or sixth level. So sorry, but this is my personal situation

Don't worry, you're doing fine!

Shalom.

323 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:55:25am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

From the cnn article:

In addition, the long-term capital gains tax rate would increase to 20%, up from 15% currently.

Given that many people have investments - not just the rich - the cap. gains tax would hit all income brackets, not just those in the top two brackets.

Limiting itemized deductions may hit middle class taxpayers in urban areas where a significant factor is real estate taxes (plus mortgage points, and interest expenses). If someone has real estate taxes of $8,500 (as is common in Northern NJ), middle class would get whacked with tax hikes.

324 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:55:48am

re: #321 Aceofwhat?

So according to your post, Fred's positions are irrelevant. What does DAVID believe? Is he a JBS supporter?

Careful, David Kock gives to PBS for Nova, and contributes to the Smithsonian.

My lord! Those birchers are everywhere!

325 avanti  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:56:20am

re: #320 Mad Al-Jaffee

I don't care at all about the Oscars, but it would be nice to see a real sci fi film beat that stupid (but great looking) piece of propaganda Avatar.

Avatar was a ground breaking movie, best in recent memory for me, despite the manifest destiny plot.

326 subsailor68  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:57:10am

re: #308 Aceofwhat?

We need to evaluate analysis on the basis of the analysis, with the source in the back of our minds as a possible explanation if we indeed find the analysis to be flawed.

With a few lunatic exceptions (e.g. white supremacists, etc), refusing to consider an analysis solely on the basis of its source is a practice that will do much to widen and harden the gaps between many of the opinions here and elsewhere.

Morning Aceofwhat! I think you're right on. And there's someone else who'd agree with you:

The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.
Winston Churchill

;-)

327 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:57:15am

re: #324 Guanxi88

Careful, David Kock gives to PBS for Nova, and contributes to the Smithsonian.

My lord! Those birchers are everywhere!

Exactly. Disqualifying analysis based on the source is an exercise in pitfall avoidance. And it mainly leaves us sitting here scratching ourselves.

328 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:57:16am

re: #324 Guanxi88

Careful, David Kock gives to PBS for Nova, and contributes to the Smithsonian.

My lord! Those birchers are everywhere!

Ooh! The birchers are taking over everywhere! Why, he's on the Board of the Prostate Cancer Foundation.

329 Kragar  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:57:18am

re: #320 Mad Al-Jaffee

I don't care at all about the Oscars, but it would be nice to see a real sci fi film beat that stupid (but great looking) piece of propaganda Avatar.

Unfortunately, the Academy doesn't work that way. I am hoping District 9 can walk away with best adapted screenplay though.

330 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:57:28am

In his budget announcement today, Obama said: "[O]ur government is deeply in debt after what can only be described as a decade of profligacy." So he proposes to put the country far more deeply in debt through profligacy of a sort that was undreamed of just a few years ago.

Obama said: "[W]e can't simply move beyond this crisis; we have to address the irresponsibility that led to it, and that includes the failure to rein in spending...." But his budget doesn't rein in spending, it increases it over last year's precedent-shattering total by around $100 billion.

Obama said: "[I]t would be a terrible mistake to borrow against our children's future to pay our way today...." His budget, in just the next year, will borrow $1.6 trillion against our children's future to pay our way today.

unbelievable flight from reality, I wonder if BO is actually sane...read more at Power Line

331 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:58:05am

re: #326 subsailor68

Morning Aceofwhat! I think you're right on. And there's someone else who'd agree with you:

The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.
Winston Churchill

;-)

Ah, Churchill quotes in the morning are like a blast of mountain air. Would that i had more than one upding to give...

332 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:58:14am

re: #327 Aceofwhat?

But I like scratching myself...in public...

333 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:58:37am

re: #325 avanti

Avatar was a ground breaking movie, best in recent memory for me, despite the manifest destiny plot.

It looked like a 3D video game to me, and the message was too simplistic, plot too stupid, dialogue lame, actung not so good. It's the best looking bad movie ever made. A 3D movie with one-dimensional characters.

334 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:59:14am

re: #332 PT Barnum

But I like scratching myself...in public...

Note that i didn't say we should stop...it's just not the only thing i want to do here///

335 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:59:18am

re: #318 avanti

Great movie though.

I rented it...a rare event...I thought the documentary aspect was pretty cool...I thoroughly enjoyed it

336 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:59:24am

re: #329 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Unfortunately, the Academy doesn't work that way. I am hoping District 9 can walk away with best adapted screenplay though.


Oh, I know. They love message movies like Crash (what a piece of crap!) Avatar will definitely win.

337 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:00:25am

re: #333 Mad Al-Jaffee

It looked like a 3D video game to me, and the message was too simplistic, plot too stupid, dialogue lame, actung not so good. It's the best looking bad movie ever made. A 3D movie with one-dimensional characters.

Yep. But in 3D, the best looking bad movie ever was still fun to watch. Of course, i secretly play video games when my family is otherwise not available for quality time...so i'm a sucker for graphics.

338 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:00:54am

re: #334 Aceofwhat?

Note that i didn't say we should stop...it's just not the only thing i want to do here///

Of course a lot of the dialog here is nothing more than mental masturbation...waiting to see who can get themselves into a rage orgasm first...

339 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:01:02am

To the one who's dinging me down for pointing out that David Koch is not the same person as his father, who founded the Birchers (in consequence of which, anything from CATO is discarded out of hand): Make a point or snipe in the dark.

340 garhighway  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:02:34am

re: #330 albusteve


I wonder if BO is actually sane...

Fail

341 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:02:38am

re: #338 PT Barnum

Of course a lot of the dialog here is nothing more than mental masturbation...waiting to see who can get themselves into a rage orgasm first...

There is no better kind.

342 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:02:38am

re: #339 Guanxi88

To the one who's dinging me down for pointing out that David Koch is not the same person as his father, who founded the Birchers (in consequence of which, anything from CATO is discarded out of hand): Make a point or snipe in the dark.

I don't like the way you minimize the importance of the Birchers through snark.

343 Kragar  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:03:51am

re: #336 Mad Al-Jaffee

Oh, I know. They love message movies like Crash (what a piece of crap!) Avatar will definitely win.

Actually, I'm hoping Hurt Locker comes thru with an upset. I'd also like to see Jeremy Renner and Chris Walz win. I'm actually pulling for Tarantino to beat Cameron.

344 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:03:58am

re: #250 Obdicut

Thanks for the link.

345 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:04:05am

re: #321 Aceofwhat?

So according to your post, Fred's positions are irrelevant. What does DAVID believe? Is he a JBS supporter?

I have no idea and I don't really care. I personally don't bother to read anything on Alex Jones sites regardless of the author. If you want to read Birch Society propaganda that's your decision.

346 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:04:48am

WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama's proposed 2011 budget would cut the border patrol by 180 agents and trim spending on a "virtual fence" along the nation's Southwest border.

there were 1700 people killed in Juarez last year alone...this is another example of BOs bizarre leadership....there is something wrong with this guys brain...we should be doing exactly the opposite...protecting American citizens is his first priority

[Link: www.azcentral.com...]

347 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:04:52am

re: #341 Guanxi88


re: #338 PT Barnum

Of course a lot of the dialog here is nothing more than mental masturbation...waiting to see who can get themselves into a rage orgasm first...

My point being that some are better courtesans than others in that they service the rage rather than trying to defuse it. One of my few complaints about LGF is that there are still people who delight in provoking strong reactions.

348 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:04:56am

re: #342 wrenchwench

I don't like the way you minimize the importance of the Birchers through snark.

David Koch is not a Bircher, but the importance attached to the Koch name by my colleague KGT to discredit CATO means that ANY member of that family is suspect, and their activities are always fringe.

That's all.

To recap - David Koch's father, who died in '67, was one of the first Birchers. His son, David, is not a Bircher, and he contributes to CATO. Because they share the same surname, though, CATO is smeared with Bircher tar.

349 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:05:18am

re: #340 garhighway

Fail

fail what?

350 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:05:27am

re: #345 Killgore Trout

I have no idea and I don't really care. I personally don't bother to read anything on Alex Jones sites regardless of the author. If you want to read Birch Society propaganda that's your decision.

I'm sorry, did he link to JBS?

I though it was CATO we were talking about.

351 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:05:29am

re: #323 lawhawk


Limiting itemized deductions may hit middle class taxpayers in urban areas where a significant factor is real estate taxes (plus mortgage points, and interest expenses). If someone has real estate taxes of $8,500 (as is common in Northern NJ), middle class would get whacked with tax hikes.

I always get nervous when politicians talk about limiting deductions and "simplifying" the tax code.

352 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:05:50am

re: #342 wrenchwench

I don't like the way you minimize the importance of the Birchers through snark.

Huh?

Then let me repeat the question that no one has bothered to answer, since you're so engaged in the topic.

What. Does. David. Koch. Stand. For.

353 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:05:59am

re: #349 albusteve

Your ODS is showing.

354 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:06:11am

re: #343 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, I'm hoping Hurt Locker comes thru with an upset. I'd also like to see Jeremy Renner and Chris Walz win. I'm actually pulling for Tarantino to beat Cameron.

I still haven't see The Hurt Locker. It's on a long wait status on Netflix.

355 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:06:52am

re: #348 Guanxi88

David Koch is not a Bircher, but the importance attached to the Koch name by my colleague KGT to discredit CATO means that ANY member of that family is suspect, and their activities are always fringe.

That's all.

To recap - David Koch's father, who died in '67, was one of the first Birchers. His son, David, is not a Bircher, and he contributes to CATO. Because they share the same surname, though, CATO is smeared with Bircher tar.

Weren't you defending the Birch Society yesterday too?

356 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:07:34am

re: #352 Aceofwhat?

Huh?

Then let me repeat the question that no one has bothered to answer, since you're so engaged in the topic.

What. Does. David. Koch. Stand. For.


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
David Koch was the Libertarian Party's vice-presidential candidate in the 1980 US presidential election, sharing the party ticket with Ed Clark. The Clark-Koch ticket received just under one million popular votes and remains the most successful Libertarian presidential campaign to date.

David Koch currently serves on the board of directors of the libertarian Cato Institute and the Reason Foundation. His brother Charles Koch has also been active in organizing and funding foundations and think-tanks such as the Cato Institute.

David Koch is one of four sons of petroleum industry innovator Fred C. Koch. He attended Deerfield Academy and then the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). David received both bachelor's and master's degrees in chemical engineering in 1962 and 1963 respectively. He also started for MIT in basketball, establishing an MIT record by scoring an average of 21 points per game over three years. He was captain of the team in his senior year, 1962. He held MIT's single-game scoring record of 41 points, which he set in 1962, until it was broken in early 2009 by Jimmy Bartolotta.
Philanthropy

In July 2008, it was announced that New York State Theater in Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts would be renamed the David H. Koch Theater after he pledged $100 million over 10 years to renovate the theatre.[2]

David Koch is also a major contributor to the Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) show Nova, and the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C. In 2006, he made a $20 million gift to the American Museum of Natural History, creating the David H. Koch Dinosaur Wing. He made a second contribution of $15 million to the museum in 2009 to create a new hall on human evolution. The 15,000-square-foot space will be named for David Koch and is scheduled to open in March 2010.[3]

He financed the construction of Deerfield Academy's $68 million state-of-the-art Koch Center for mathematics, science and technology.

A prostate cancer survivor himself,[4] Koch also sits on the Board of Directors of the Prostate Cancer Foundation and is the eponym of the David H. Koch Chair of the Prostate Cancer foundation, a position currently held by Dr. Jonathan Simons.

He contributed $100 million in 2007, to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology to help fund the construction of a new 350,000 square foot research and technology facility to serve as the home of the David H. Koch Institute for Integrative Cancer Research.[5] He also contributed $20 million to Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, $30 million to the Memorial Sloan–Kettering Cancer Center in New York, $25 million to the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, and $15 million to New York-Presbyterian Hospital Weill Cornell Medical Center.

Koch, along with his brother Charles, George Soros, the Ford Foundation, and the Rockefeller Foundation, each contributed $10 million to the American Civil Liberties Union to defeat parts of the USA PATRIOT Act.[6] Parts 15, 16, 17 of the act were then overturned in U.S. federal court in the Southern District of New York. Marion Bowman, chief legal counsel of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, vowed to take this decision to the United States court of appeals.
[edit] Political advocacy

In 1984, Koch founded Citizens for a Sound Economy. Koch also funds Americans for Prosperity, a conservative advocacy group that has recently used new media technologies and other efforts to create opposition to U.S. President Barack Obama's proposed health care reforms.[7]

357 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:07:44am

re: #345 Killgore Trout

I have no idea and I don't really care. I personally don't bother to read anything on Alex Jones sites regardless of the author. If you want to read Birch Society propaganda that's your decision.

That is a nonsensical reply. Fred Koch is dead. If his son, David, is a sensible person, than how are his contributions to any organization magically transformed into Birch Society propaganda?

Is Fred a dead warlock, casting eeevil magic racist spells on his son's money from beyond the grave?

358 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:08:09am

re: #347 PT Barnum

re: #338 PT Barnum

Of course a lot of the dialog here is nothing more than mental masturbation...waiting to see who can get themselves into a rage orgasm first...

My point being that some are better courtesans than others in that they service the rage rather than trying to defuse it. One of my few complaints about LGF is that there are still people who delight in provoking strong reactions.

you simply scroll past what you deem inappropriate...Charles takes care of the rest

359 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:08:10am

re: #354 Mad Al-Jaffee

I still haven't see The Hurt Locker. It's on a long wait status on Netflix.

I watched part of it and thought it sucked. I turned it off after 45 minutes. I don't see why so many people loved that movie.

360 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:08:32am

re: #352 Aceofwhat?

Huh?

Then let me repeat the question that no one has bothered to answer, since you're so engaged in the topic.

What. Does. David. Koch. Stand. For.

I was responding to this:

My lord! Those birchers are everywhere!
361 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:08:33am

re: #355 Killgore Trout

Weren't you defending the Birch Society yesterday too?

Yes, that's exactly what I was doing.

-C'mon - they're not a big group, they've always been the fringe, and they hold no power.

But, if it makes you feel better.

Booga! Booga!

362 Kragar  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:09:06am

re: #354 Mad Al-Jaffee

I still haven't see The Hurt Locker. It's on a long wait status on Netflix.

I've only seen bits of it, but I like the actor, so I'm hoping he wins.

363 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:09:19am

re: #355 Killgore Trout

Weren't you defending the Birch Society yesterday too?

Stop smearing and stay on topic.

364 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:09:35am

re: #355 Killgore Trout

Weren't you defending the Birch Society yesterday too?

Do you look for birchers under your bed?

365 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:09:45am

re: #363 Aceofwhat?

Stop smearing and stay on topic.

No, I think that is the topic.

366 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:10:19am

The story line isn't what propelled me to what Avatar, rather it was the visual experience. I was not disappointed either.

367 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:10:40am

re: #322 Mad Al-Jaffee

re: #316 Ateam


Don't worry, you're doing fine!

Shalom.

Shalom 2 u and all LGF
no, I'm not doing fine here
the Borden of different language & culture shut me down sometimes

368 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:10:42am

re: #360 wrenchwench

I was responding to this

You also downdinged a post solely about David. So spill. Is David Koch a Bircher, and by association tainting the work of the Cato Institution?

369 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:11:18am

re: #353 PT Barnum

Your ODS is showing.

whatever...why don't you address the article, or post something yourself then?....your irrelevance is showing....I've put up a whole bunch of stuff to think about, every morning...what do you do?....bitch about the blog and posters?

370 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:11:54am

re: #367 Ateam

Shalom 2 u and all LGF
no, I'm not doing fine here
the Borden of different language & culture shut me down sometimes

I can understand most of what you write. Do not let the language barrier stop you from posting here. I only speak one language, and I admire people who know more than one.

371 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:12:14am

re: #365 Guanxi88

No, I think that is the topic.

No, the topic is David Koch and Cato. Calling anyone a Birch defender because of something they wrote yesterday is off-topic, even if it was true.

It's also an act of desperation, unless someone shows David to be tainted with the same noxious opinions held by the JBS.

372 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:12:22am

re: #357 Aceofwhat?

I noticed there was a lot of resistance to Charles' posts yesterday about the Birch Society. Oh well, carry on.

373 jaunte  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:12:44am

re: #367 Ateam

Shalom 2 u and all LGF
no, I'm not doing fine here
the Borden of different language & culture shut me down sometimes

That's a pretty good multilingual trademark pun.

374 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:13:06am

On movies:

I wouldn't have a problem with Avatar winning all the visual awards (sfx, sound, cinematography, editing, etc.), but best director and best picture should encompass the entirety of the moviemaking process - and Avatar's big rap is that the story is sorely lacking. That's on the director too so if you want to give him props for the sfx fine, but you have to take away for the muddled story.

If that's the case, then other movies would be a better choice. Of the top contenders, I've seen only Up in the Air, and I thought it was pretty good - depressing, but good. Well acted, well shot, and well directed.

375 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:13:23am

re: #368 Aceofwhat?

You also downdinged a post solely about David. So spill. Is David Koch a Bircher, and by association tainting the work of the Cato Institution?

Follow-up question:

Why would the Marijuana Policy Foundation and Ploughshares associate themselves with the Birchers, or vice versa?

Just how big is this conspiracy?

376 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:13:35am

re: #366 Ericus58

The story line isn't what propelled me to what Avatar, rather it was the visual experience. I was not disappointed either.

For me a movie has to be more than a visual experience to be good. Avatar is like an incredibly beautiful woman with the brain of a 5 year old.

377 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:14:06am

re: #372 Killgore Trout

I noticed there was a lot of resistance to Charles' posts yesterday about the Birch Society. Oh well, carry on.

But you still think that the Cato institute is a puppet of JBS, despite not having shown that David has been carrying on the unfortunate legacy of his father?

378 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:14:54am

re: #375 Guanxi88

Follow-up question:

Why would the Marijuana Policy Foundation and Ploughshares associate themselves with the Birchers, or vice versa?

Just how big is this conspiracy?

They're all around you, man. They're everywhere! And it's all because of Fox News!!

379 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:15:08am

re: #375 Guanxi88

also off-topic. no one wants to fess up about why they want to disqualify the Cato institute as a source entirely. i'm waiting...

380 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:15:53am

re: #375 Guanxi88

Follow-up question:

Why would the Marijuana Policy Foundation and Ploughshares associate themselves with the Birchers, or vice versa?

Just how big is this conspiracy?

re: #375 Guanxi88

Follow-up question:

Why would the Marijuana Policy Foundation and Ploughshares associate themselves with the Birchers, or vice versa?

Just how big is this conspiracy?

381 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:16:08am

re: #379 Aceofwhat?

also off-topic. no one wants to fess up about why they want to disqualify the Cato institute as a source entirely. i'm waiting...

We know why, we all know why, but no one wants to say it:

It is a natural human impulse to wish to discredit a source with whose message we disagree.

382 Kragar  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:16:19am

I think Avatar deserves to win the effects and cinematography awards, and should be shut out for the big awards, ie directing, best picture, etc.

383 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:16:38am

re: #380 Decatur Deb

i don't know about you, but about once per day i type something and then what i type is gone when i click 'post'. i have to refresh.

384 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:16:39am

re: #372 Killgore Trout

I noticed there was a lot of resistance to Charles' posts yesterday about the Birch Society. Oh well, carry on.

the JBS is toxic...people that associate with , or rub elbows, or join them at an event are contaminated imo....seems pretty simple

385 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:17:07am

re: #380 Decatur Deb

Excellent point.

386 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:17:27am

re: #375 Guanxi88

Follow-up question:

Why would the Marijuana Policy Foundation and Ploughshares associate themselves with the Birchers, or vice versa?

Just how big is this conspiracy?

we might find out in the next round of elections....exciting eh?

387 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:17:32am

re: #381 Guanxi88

We know why, we all know why, but no one wants to say it:

It is a natural human impulse to wish to discredit a source with whose message we disagree.

An impulse that i'm currently very interested in pressuring, like a thumb on a knot in the back. it may hurt now, but it'll feel better later...

388 generalsparky  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:17:37am

re: #381 Guanxi88

We know why, we all know why, but no one wants to say it:

It is a natural human impulse to wish to discredit a source with whose message we disagree.

Bingo!

389 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:18:23am

re: #380 Decatur Deb

That broke. Comment was that Cato Inst. and marijuana interest points me back to Libertarian candidacy. I don't need more discredit than that.

390 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:19:25am

Still waiting...any lurkers out there want to help? Is David Koch a valid reason for (a) naming Cato as a "tool of the Birchers" and/or (b) disqualifying their output uncategorically from being read, much less analyzed?

391 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:20:45am

re: #384 albusteve

the JBS is toxic...people that associate with , or rub elbows, or join them at an event are contaminated imo...seems pretty simple

You might want to watch what you post. When JBS assumes control of the government they are coming after you first. Then your family.

392 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:20:46am

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

more insight into BOs budget and taxation

393 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:21:04am

re: #389 Decatur Deb

That broke. Comment was that Cato Inst. and marijuana interest points me back to Libertarian candidacy. I don't need more discredit than that.

So if i understand you correctly, David was a libertarian candidate and it's on that basis, rather than any supposed (but to my knowledge unfounded) relationship with JBS, that you would disqualify any Cato publication before even having read it?

I don't want to put words in your mouth, thus my attempt at clarification-

394 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:21:28am

re: #390 Aceofwhat?

Still waiting...any lurkers out there want to help? Is David Koch a valid reason for (a) naming Cato as a "tool of the Birchers" and/or (b) disqualifying their output uncategorically from being read, much less analyzed?

I think it certainly works for some people.

Guilt by association, dontcha know?

The important thing, though, is to make sure that any and every opinion that you don't share or wholly agree with is tagged forever as the product of fevered, diseased mind.

395 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:21:45am

re: #391 cliffster

You might want to watch what you post. When JBS assumes control of the government they are coming after you first. Then your family.

I'm more than ready for anybody coming to get me...I am an Army of One

396 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:22:36am

re: #391 cliffster

You might want to watch what you post. When JBS assumes control of the government they are coming after you first. Then your family.

These fools don't get it - ACORN and JBS are two sides of the Elite Ruler's conterfeit coin.

Think about it, people!
//

397 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:22:53am

re: #376 Mad Al-Jaffee

For me a movie has to be more than a visual experience to be good. Avatar is like an incredibly beautiful woman with the brain of a 5 year old.

Looking for a downside in that ;)

398 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:23:22am

re: #393 Aceofwhat?

So if i understand you correctly, David was a libertarian candidate and it's on that basis, rather than any supposed (but to my knowledge unfounded) relationship with JBS, that you would disqualify any Cato publication before even having read it?

I don't want to put words in your mouth, thus my attempt at clarification-

I don't equate Cato and JBS. I distrust them both on their own merits. Koch family funding of both creates the suspicion they are on the same molecule.

399 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:23:48am

re: #390 Aceofwhat?

Still waiting...any lurkers out there want to help? Is David Koch a valid reason for (a) naming Cato as a "tool of the Birchers" and/or (b) disqualifying their output uncategorically from being read, much less analyzed?

yes...the JBS and anybody connected with them should be summarily dismissed from the realm of reason...they are no good for anything

400 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:24:28am

re: #259 PT Barnum

Here's my issue with that...Edwards sins were primarily private. Palin's sins were probably more public and had the potential to harm more people than Edwards'.

I wish we would just let politicians live their private lives in private and pay closer attention to their behavior that actually affects policy and government. There's enough scandal there for everyone, though I admit it's not as exciting or as tittilating as the sex stuff.

edwards is smarter than palin, but equally scummy if not worse. It's probably good that neither of them served as VP.

401 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:24:53am

re: #368 Aceofwhat?

You also downdinged a post solely about David. So spill. Is David Koch a Bircher, and by association tainting the work of the Cato Institution?

I don't know. I think the Cato Institute is tainted without the help of David Koch, and David Koch could be a Bircher. His ties to Americans for Prosperity are enough to make me avoid him.

re: #390 Aceofwhat?

Still waiting...any lurkers out there want to help? Is David Koch a valid reason for (a) naming Cato as a "tool of the Birchers" and/or (b) disqualifying their output uncategorically from being read, much less analyzed?

Are you quoting somebody there?

402 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:25:38am

re: #398 Decatur Deb

I don't equate Cato and JBS. I distrust them both on their own merits. Koch family funding of both creates the suspicion they are on the same molecule.

The father of the family left cash etc to the JBS separately.

The son and their charitable trust, in league with evildoers like the Ford Foundation, and those rightists at Ploughshares, gives to CATO.

He also gave heftily to the ACLU, and is a patron of the arts and the theatre.

403 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:26:16am

re: #400 _RememberTonyC

edwards is smarter than palin, but equally scummy if not worse. It's probably good that neither of them served as VP.

Edwards should be dragged before the public and made to explain his behavior and his spending while on campaign

404 brucee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:26:59am

Germany Shaken By 'Systematic' Sexual Abuse at Berlin Catholic School

A priest last week admitted in a statement to SPIEGEL he had abused a number of pupils at an elite Berlin high school run by Jesuit priests. In recent days, around 20 former students have come forward alleging they were sexually abused by priests at the school. The director of Canisius College has described the years-long abuse as "systematic."

Berlin's Canisius College, a university-prep high school run by Jesuit priests, is one of the most elite schools in the German capital. Former students from the respected private school have reached the upper echelons of business, politics and society. For the past week, however, Canisius College has been at the center of a major sexual abuse scandall.

Last week, around 20 former students claimed they had been sexually abused by two teachers at the school, Wolfgang S. and Peter R. The abuse is believed to have been committed during the 1970s and 1980s.

fter being contacted by SPIEGEL, one of the former teachers admitted he had abused some of his students. Wolfgang S., a former sports teacher and Jesuit priest, issued a statement to his victims stating it was "a sad fact that I abused children and young men under pseudo-educational pretexts." The churchman, who today lives in South America, said that he had informed regional Catholic authorities in Germany in 1991 of his "criminal past." He claims the Jesuit priests had known for 19 years about the multiple incidents of abuse. ...

405 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:27:26am

re: #402 Guanxi88

The father of the family left cash etc to the JBS separately.

The son and their charitable trust, in league with evildoers like the Ford Foundation, and those rightists at Ploughshares, gives to CATO.

He also gave heftily to the ACLU, and is a patron of the arts and the theatre.

well that ices the deal for me....COMMIE!

406 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:28:13am

re: #405 albusteve

well that ices the deal for me...COMMIE!

Now you're getting the picture. You see they way they're all mobbed up and connected:

It's the pentavirate, I tell ya!

407 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:28:27am

re: #401 wrenchwench

Are you quoting somebody there?

Yes. Killgore.

408 darthstar  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:29:27am

re: #396 Guanxi88

These fools don't get it - ACORN and JBS are two sides of the Elite Ruler's conterfeit coin.

Think about it, people!
//

ACORN
-
JBS

All snark aside, they're two very different organizations.

409 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:29:51am

re: #402 Guanxi88

The father of the family left cash etc to the JBS separately.

The son and their charitable trust, in league with evildoers like the Ford Foundation, and those rightists at Ploughshares, gives to CATO.

He also gave heftily to the ACLU, and is a patron of the arts and the theatre.

I see the ACLU as neutral, and the Borgia popes were patrons of the arts.
Cato interests are reliably right-wing.

410 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:30:03am

re: #408 darthstar

Gee, thanks for clarifying ;)

411 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:31:09am

re: #408 darthstar

ACORN
-
JBS

All snark aside, they're two very different organizations.

That's what we THEY want you to think!

//

And think about it:

ACORN - Oak

Birch - birch

See, they're giving a wink and a nod to themselves at their little joke, and I need hardly point out that ACORN and Birch, besides referring to trees, also have five letters each.

Five Letters, symbolic of the Pentavirate.

412 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:31:24am

here's a whole bunch of GOP candidates if you want to track down where the campaign money comes from....probably some juicy stuff in there

[Link: thehill.com...]

413 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:32:07am

re: #409 Decatur Deb

I see the ACLU as neutral, and the Borgia popes were patrons of the arts.
Cato interests are reliably right-wing.

CATO's right-libertarian. As a neo-conservative, I've got my disagreements with them on a few things, but I don't toss them out altogether.

414 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:32:34am

re: #411 Guanxi88

That's what we THEY want you to think!

//

And think about it:

ACORN - Oak

Birch - birch

See, they're giving a wink and a nod to themselves at their little joke, and I need hardly point out that ACORN and Birch, besides referring to trees, also have five letters each.

Five Letters, symbolic of the Pentavirate.

you're really going out on a limb there

415 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:32:43am

re: #401 wrenchwench

Shouldn't you figure out for sure whether David is a Bircher before we taint him with it?

Further, isn't AFP a Libertarian organization? If you find that nefarious, then every conservative in the nation is justified for opposing every single action performed by the ACLU...which Koch also supports financially...i smell dissonance.

We can't do this and expect constructive dialogue. You can't just disqualify shit because you don't agree with it. Organizations are either inherently poisonous and to be avoided (JBS, etc) or they're groups with which we agree/disagree.

416 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:32:59am

re: #414 albusteve

you're really going out on a limb there

Leaf it alone.

417 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:33:07am

re: #414 albusteve

you're really going out on a limb there

I'm having fun with the paranoia that is all too common and far too thick these days.

418 Kragar  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:33:18am

re: #411 Guanxi88

That's what we THEY want you to think!

//

And think about it:

ACORN - Oak

Birch - birch

See, they're giving a wink and a nod to themselves at their little joke, and I need hardly point out that ACORN and Birch, besides referring to trees, also have five letters each.

Five Letters, symbolic of the Pentavirate.

But what about the Larch?

419 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:33:47am

re: #409 Decatur Deb

I see the ACLU as neutral, and the Borgia popes were patrons of the arts.
Cato interests are reliably right-wing.

The ACLU is hardly neutral. Come on.

420 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:34:03am

re: #414 albusteve

you're really going out on a limb there

Sure, look the other way. Go about your life, quietly cropping grass while they lead you to the slaughterhouse.

421 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:34:35am

re: #416 Mad Al-Jaffee

Leaf it alone.

And don't be a sap.

422 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:34:37am

re: #418 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But what about the Larch?

423 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:35:05am

re: #419 Aceofwhat?

The ACLU is hardly neutral. Come on.

Skokie Nazi march pretty well locked it in for me.

424 darthstar  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:35:12am

re: #414 albusteve

you're really going out on a limb there

I don't see how that helps us get to the root of the problem.

425 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:35:42am

re: #418 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But what about the Larch?

that really tall guy with the huge trunk?

426 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:35:53am

re: #424 darthstar

I don't see how that helps us get to the root of the problem.

If you have any more Cato studies, phylum.

427 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:36:06am

re: #398 Decatur Deb

I don't equate Cato and JBS. I distrust them both on their own merits. Koch family funding of both creates the suspicion they are on the same molecule.

So, then, you believe every thing that your father does, right? This game is silly on its face. If i told you that you weren't grown up enough to sort your parents' beliefs out for yourself, you'd say that i was insulting you unless i had concrete proof. And you'd be right.

It's too simplistic for you - you're better than that. I've seen it.

428 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:36:27am

re: #424 darthstar

I don't see how that helps us get to the root of the problem.

it's all tied up in knots, for sure

429 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:36:49am

re: #421 The Sanity Inspector

And don't be a sap.

This thread needs to be trimmed.

430 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:37:21am

re: #429 Mad Al-Jaffee

This thread needs to be trimmed.

same old saw

431 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:37:48am

re: #430 albusteve

same old saw

But with a different meaning since you've been gone.

432 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:38:09am

re: #427 Aceofwhat?

So, then, you believe every thing that your father does, right? This game is silly on its face. If i told you that you weren't grown up enough to sort your parents' beliefs out for yourself, you'd say that i was insulting you unless i had concrete proof. And you'd be right.

It's too simplistic for you - you're better than that. I've seen it.

Had I known my father, I would expect to match his beliefs more than a random stranger's.

433 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:38:23am

Latest look at links from California political coverage, by a Republican Refugee, yours truly.

The LA Times comes through with a look at the California races
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

434 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:39:02am

re: #423 Decatur Deb

Skokie Nazi march pretty well locked it in for me.

Soros is a major donor.

435 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:39:31am

re: #432 Decatur Deb

Had I known my father, I would expect to match his beliefs more than a random stranger's.

You would expect me to evaluate your beliefs on their own merits.

436 darthstar  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:39:44am

re: #428 albusteve

it's all tied up in knots, for sure

Maybe these two groups need to branch out.

437 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:39:50am

re: #434 Aceofwhat?

Soros is a major donor.

Goes back to the pentavirate theory. Sweet mother of mercy! Soros in league with the Birchers, using the ACLU as a front!

438 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:39:58am

Disgruntlement bubbling in the Federal Air Marshal Service?

"How would you describe the management in the air marshal service?" CBS News chief investigative correspondent Armen Keteyian asked a current air marshal.
"Sexist, racist, homophobic, anti-disabled vet group, grossly incompetent," said the marshal, whose identity was concealed. "That's the general consensus among air marshals."

Excerpts and related linkage at Pam's House Blend.

439 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:41:52am

re: #434 Aceofwhat?

Soros is a major donor.

Yes. They are funded by both sides and sometimes support either left or right positions on constitutional issues. Neutral. (Their boast is that the Cconstitution is their client.)

440 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:42:09am

re: #415 Aceofwhat?

Shouldn't you figure out for sure whether David is a Bircher before we taint him with it?

Further, isn't AFP a Libertarian organization? If you find that nefarious, then every conservative in the nation is justified for opposing every single action performed by the ACLU...which Koch also supports financially...i smell dissonance.

We can't do this and expect constructive dialogue. You can't just disqualify shit because you don't agree with it. Organizations are either inherently poisonous and to be avoided (JBS, etc) or they're groups with which we agree/disagree.

Yes, I find Libertarians to be nefarious. As far as "disqualifying shit", I don't think I've been given that power.

441 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:42:36am

We now know why the White House leaked word of a three-year spending freeze on a few domestic accounts before this extravaganza was released. No one would have noticed such a slushy promise amid this glacier of spending. The budget reveals that overall federal outlays will reach $3.72 trillion in fiscal 2010, and keep rising to $3.834 trillion in 2011.

it's only money!....woot!...deny this next part

If this budget is Mr. Obama's first clear demonstration of his long-term governing priorities, then it's hard not conclude that this spending boom is deliberate. It is an effort to put in place programs and spending commitments that will require vast new tax increases and give the political class a claim on far more private American wealth.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

442 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:43:11am

re: #435 Aceofwhat?

You would expect me to evaluate your beliefs on their own merits.

To help you with that, I often open comments with bits about my cultural or geographic background. Family counts.

443 Tigger2005  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:43:20am

re: #420 cliffster

Sure, look the other way. Go about your life, quietly cropping grass while they lead you to the slaughterhouse.

Will they let me quietly crop grass all the way to the slaughterhouse?

444 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:44:05am

re: #440 wrenchwench

Yes, I find Libertarians to be nefarious. As far as "disqualifying shit", I don't think I've been given that power.

1. Sheesh.
2. I meant "personally disqualifying", as in "i will not read anything from the Cato institute.

I'll say it again. Recklessly condemning the source rather than the individual analysis undermines constructive dialogue.

445 Ateam  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:44:14am

re: #370 Mad Al-Jaffee

I can understand most of what you write. Do not let the language barrier stop you from posting here. I only speak one language, and I admire people who know more than one.

re: #373 jaunte

That's a pretty good multilingual trademark pun.

Thank U so much 4 being so nice to me. Truth is I knew that at LGF there are the most intelligence people in the www. That's why I chose to post my fool poorly English comments on net only here.
be well

446 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:45:02am

re: #439 Decatur Deb

Yes. They are funded by both sides and sometimes support either left or right positions on constitutional issues. Neutral. (Their boast is that the Cconstitution is their client.)

Soros funds it. It must be hardcore left.

See how stupid this game is?

447 simoom  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:45:28am

re: #291 albusteve

basically, soak the rich...aren't you glad you're not rich?

If you consider Regan-level taxation of the wealthy soaking, well, with our country having the greatest disparity of wealth in the industrialized world, they can afford a little soaking. In fact, that disparity is currently at an all time high, measured in a number of ways. One example is the top .01% of earners currently receiving over 6% of all wages.

448 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:46:47am

re: #442 Decatur Deb

To help you with that, I often open comments with bits about my cultural or geographic background. Family counts.

Family counts to help explain why you believe something. it is a poor excuse for assuming what a person believes, yet that is what many are doing right now. it's just lazy.

449 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:46:48am

Nigerians have condemned al Qaeda offer of weapons and training to Muslims in the country, asking the Federal Government to nip the development in the bud.

AQ wants these guys bad...there is big trouble brewing...if anybody is interested

[Link: www.businessdayonline.com...]

450 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:47:53am

re: #446 Aceofwhat?

Soros funds it. It must be hardcore left.

See how stupid this game is?

Both sides fund it=more likely neutral. Single funding source=more likely partisan. I'll check, but IIRC Cato is self-identified as Libertarian.

451 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:49:40am

re: #429 Mad Al-Jaffee

This thread needs to be trimmed.

It'd be useless.
Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made.
-- Bishop Berkeley

452 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:49:57am

re: #447 simoom

If you consider Regan-level taxation of the wealthy soaking, well, with our country having the greatest disparity of wealth in the industrialized world, they can afford a little soaking. In fact, that disparity is currently at an all time high, measured in a number of ways. One example is the top .01% of earners currently receiving over 6% of all wages.

we have an unsustainable situation....too few people supporting the rest of the citizenry...toss in these unreal budget requests and it won't really matter who's got what, will it....we need to get people back to work, pare down govt demands, get people educated and useful or we are gonna be fucked...disparity is the least of our problems

453 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:50:36am

re: #447 simoom

If you consider Regan-level taxation of the wealthy soaking, well, with our country having the greatest disparity of wealth in the industrialized world, they can afford a little soaking. In fact, that disparity is currently at an all time high, measured in a number of ways. One example is the top .01% of earners currently receiving over 6% of all wages.

Let's tax the hell outta them! It;s not as if they're doing anything for the economy, and besides, it's the whole point of the government to equalize results.

454 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:51:24am

re: #450 Decatur Deb

Both sides fund it=more likely neutral. Single funding source=more likely partisan. I'll check, but IIRC Cato is self-identified as Libertarian.

Well, if we're going to give folks the benefit of the doubt and let them self-identify, then Cato says they're...

"The mission of the Cato Institute is to increase the understanding of public policies based on the principles of limited government, free markets, individual liberty, and peace."

sounds harmless to me.

455 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:51:31am

re: #228 _RememberTonyC

john edwards was right about there being two Americas. One is where the decent people abound. The other is where edwards and his ilk hang out.

And Newt Gingrich's ilk.

456 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:51:49am

re: #450 Decatur Deb

Both sides fund it=more likely neutral. Single funding source=more likely partisan. I'll check, but IIRC Cato is self-identified as Libertarian.

and how much conservative funding do you think the ACLU gets?

457 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:51:51am

re: #455 eclectic infidel

And Newt Gingrich's ilk.

Who's that?

458 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:51:56am

re: #453 Guanxi88

Let's tax the hell outta them! It;s not as if they're doing anything for the economy, and besides, it's the whole point of the government to equalize results.

soak em soak em SOAK EM!

459 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:52:14am

re: #369 albusteve

whatever...why don't you address the article, or post something yourself then?...your irrelevance is showing...I've put up a whole bunch of stuff to think about, every morning...what do you do?...bitch about the blog and posters?

No I bitch about certain people's tendency to get hostile at the least little thing or as a matter of course. I also bitch about people who digress to ad hominem attacks the minute they're questioned or disagreed with or called on for their bad behavior.

460 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:52:18am

re: #448 Aceofwhat?

Family counts to help explain why you believe something. it is a poor excuse for assuming what a person believes, yet that is what many are doing right now. it's just lazy.

Pappa Kock helps found JBS. Son is Libertarian VP candidate. I'm not seeing a lot of teenage rebellion there.

461 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:52:48am

re: #460 Decatur Deb

Pappa Kock helps found JBS. Son is Libertarian VP candidate. I'm not seeing a lot of teenage rebellion there.

Then you either don't know the JBS, or you don't know libertarian party, or both.

462 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:52:58am

re: #454 Aceofwhat?

Well, if we're going to give folks the benefit of the doubt and let them self-identify, then Cato says they're...

"The mission of the Cato Institute is to increase the understanding of public policies based on the principles of limited government, free markets, individual liberty, and peace."

sounds harmless to me.

Sounds like code to me.

463 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:52:59am

re: #444 Aceofwhat?

1. Sheesh.
2. I meant "personally disqualifying", as in "i will not read anything from the Cato institute.

I'll say it again. Recklessly condemning the source rather than the individual analysis undermines constructive dialogue.


1. Sheesh yourself.

2. That's between you and Killgore, IRRC.

I may condemn a source, but I don't think I'm being reckless. It's usually based on the content I've seen from the source before.

464 YaYa  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:54:13am

How much taxing is to much taxing?

%

465 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:54:13am

re: #462 Decatur Deb

Sounds like code to me.

Code for what, though? I mean, no one should judge any group by what its mission statement is.

466 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:54:28am

re: #461 Guanxi88

Then you either don't know the JBS, or you don't know libertarian party, or both.

I know they are more like each other than either is like to me.

467 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:56:11am

re: #456 Aceofwhat?

and how much conservative funding do you think the ACLU gets?

We have stipulated some Koch money. If the right truly supports constitutional rigor, they should support it.

468 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:56:27am

re: #466 Decatur Deb

I know they are more like each other than either is like to me.

Following that line of reasoning, Greenpeace and the US Forest Service are kindred spirits. They're more like each other than either is like me.

C'mon, that's just lazy.

469 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:56:32am

Well the lovely Mrs Barnum has invited me out to lunch..so off I go...Fish tacos..YUM!

470 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:56:50am

re: #447 simoom

And the soak the rich attitude is why NYC/NYS are in such dire fiscal shape. The recession hit the rich harder - and with the disruption to the financial industry, they aren't driving tax revenues to NYC and NYS, which has to be made up elsewhere - by everyone else.

That, and continuing to raise taxes to pay for unsustainable spending drives out businesses and taxpayers to less intrusive states, leaving an ever higher tax burden.

471 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:57:07am

re: #459 PT Barnum

No I bitch about certain people's tendency to get hostile at the least little thing or as a matter of course. I also bitch about people who digress to ad hominem attacks the minute they're questioned or disagreed with or called on out for their bad behavior.

PIMF

472 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:57:19am

re: #470 lawhawk

And the soak the rich attitude is why NYC/NYS are in such dire fiscal shape. The recession hit the rich harder - and with the disruption to the financial industry, they aren't driving tax revenues to NYC and NYS, which has to be made up elsewhere - by everyone else.

That, and continuing to raise taxes to pay for unsustainable spending drives out businesses and taxpayers to less intrusive states, leaving an ever higher tax burden.

But dammit! Avarice and envy are useful tools of the state!

473 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:57:25am

re: #465 Guanxi88

Code for what, though? I mean, no one should judge any group by what its mission statement is.

I'll let you review that.

474 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:57:30am

re: #462 Decatur Deb

Right-wing code.

475 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:57:42am

re: #461 Guanxi88

Then you either don't know the JBS, or you don't know libertarian party, or both.

I think you are leaving your area of expertise. The ties are legion.

476 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:57:53am

re: #474 eclectic infidel

Right-wing code.

Okay, what is the message encoded therein?

477 YaYa  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:58:13am

What does left wing code look like?

478 Kragar  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:58:51am

re: #476 Guanxi88

Okay, what is the message encoded therein?

The banjo becomes angry at midnight.

/

479 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:59:04am

re: #475 wrenchwench

I think you are leaving your area of expertise. The ties are legion.

Legion? Michael Badnarik is hardly more than one man.

And, again, the libertarian party's got its share of economic cranks in it. But, if they're birchers, then so be it.

Booga!

480 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:59:11am

re: #468 Guanxi88

Following that line of reasoning, Greenpeace and the US Forest Service are kindred spirits. They're more like each other than either is like me.

C'mon, that's just lazy.

Greenpeace and USFS are more alike than either is like a mountain-top removal miner. That's a useful distinction.

481 Kragar  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:59:21am

re: #477 YaYa

What does left wing code look like?

Semaphore using papermache puppets.

482 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:59:33am

So Obama, in proposing to eliminate expensing of these drilling costs, is not abolishing a tax subsidy, but is imposing a tax penalty. And, given his often-articulated disdain for fossil fuels, he is probably quite aware of this fact.

read the rest...BOs doubletalk exposed, or is this just fiction?

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

483 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:00:33am

re: #464 YaYa

How much taxing is to much taxing?

%

100% it seems

484 simoom  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:02:14am

re: #452 albusteve

we have an unsustainable situation...too few people supporting the rest of the citizenry...toss in these unreal budget requests and it won't really matter who's got what, will it...we need to get people back to work, pare down govt demands, get people educated and useful or we are gonna be fucked...disparity is the least of our problems

I agree with you that there will need to be massive spending cuts, but our government maintains a society (through laws and regulations) that disproportionately benefits a sliver of that society. They have the greatest access to influence government and not surprisingly their needs are met first. Consequently the concentration of wealth at the top continues to accelerate. Is it too much to ask that they pay a little more to maintain a system structured to enrich them?

485 generalsparky  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:02:44am

re: #477 YaYa

What does left wing code look like?

Everything President Obama says is code for communism. After all, his position is a lot closer to communism than mine. *eyeroll*

486 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:03:00am

re: #462 Decatur Deb

Sounds like code to me.

Again, to be clear, you're saying that you'll disqualify them as a source because you find their mission statement to be code for...what?

487 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:03:12am

re: #476 Guanxi88

Okay, what is the message encoded therein?

RP loves AR.

488 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:03:33am

re: #479 Guanxi88

Legion? Michael Badnarik is hardly more than one man.

And, again, the libertarian party's got its share of economic cranks in it. But, if they're birchers, then so be it.

Booga!

They share the characteristic of being antisemitic. It's not just economic cranks, but there's a lot of crossover. I just don't understand your desire to deflect attention from Birchers. First you say they aren't there, then you say it doesn't matter if they are. Why do they deserve your defense?

489 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:04:00am

re: #467 Decatur Deb

We have stipulated some Koch money. If the right truly supports constitutional rigor, they should support it.

Ah, perhaps they don't find the ACLU to be constitutionally rigorous.

See: Right to Bear Arms, ACLU position

490 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:04:07am

re: #477 YaYa

What does left wing code look like?

"I just want to level the playing field a little."

491 generalsparky  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:04:32am

re: #488 wrenchwench

They share the characteristic of being antisemitic. It's not just economic cranks, but there's a lot of crossover. I just don't understand your desire to deflect attention from Birchers. First you say they aren't there, then you say it doesn't matter if they are. Why do they deserve your defense?

So are you gonna throw Jimmy Carter and the Democrat Party under that bus too?

492 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:04:41am

re: #480 Decatur Deb

Greenpeace and USFS are more alike than either is like a mountain-top removal miner. That's a useful distinction.

Not for disqualifying either Greenpeace and USFS as a source to be quoted or shunned.

493 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:04:46am

re: #470 lawhawk

And the soak the rich attitude is why NYC/NYS are in such dire fiscal shape. The recession hit the rich harder - and with the disruption to the financial industry, they aren't driving tax revenues to NYC and NYS, which has to be made up elsewhere - by everyone else.

That, and continuing to raise taxes to pay for unsustainable spending drives out businesses and taxpayers to less intrusive states, leaving an ever higher tax burden.

couple of months back I posted about millionaires flocking out of NYC for the last couple of years....nobody paid any attention....I've posted about businesses and wealthy people leaving CA in record numbers and nobody cared...there is some degree of stupification regarding these very important issues...but Beck and Palin trump that stuff every time...states are really suffering and the shit is gonna hit the fan sooner or later

494 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:04:50am

re: #490 Decatur Deb

"I just want to level the playing field a little."

That's what the MOABs are for.

495 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:05:09am

re: #490 Decatur Deb

"I just want to level the playing field a little."

No - it's "We are the richest country in the world, no one should have to go without "

496 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:05:26am

re: #485 generalsparky

Everything President Obama says is code for communism. After all, his position is a lot closer to communism than mine. *eyeroll*

exactly. it's a stupid game. not sure why that isn't clear today...

497 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:05:27am

re: #486 Aceofwhat?

Again, to be clear, you're saying that you'll disqualify them as a source because you find their mission statement to be code for...what?

I would treat their statements as suspect, and look for other perspectives.

498 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:06:15am

re: #489 Aceofwhat?

Ah, perhaps they don't find the ACLU to be constitutionally rigorous.

See: Right to Bear Arms, ACLU position

I have, I don't agree with it, but I send them donations.

499 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:07:18am

re: #484 simoom

I agree with you that there will need to be massive spending cuts, but our government maintains a society (through laws and regulations) that disproportionately benefits a sliver of that society. They have the greatest access to influence government and not surprisingly their needs are met first. Consequently the concentration of wealth at the top continues to accelerate. Is it too much to ask that they pay a little more to maintain a system structured to enrich them?

yes it is, because part of that sliver is made up of govt itself...there are way too many millionaires in Congress, and certainly they take care of themselves first....Pelosi is a prime example of govt elitism

500 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:07:58am

re: #491 generalsparky

So are you gonna throw Jimmy Carter and the Democrat Party under that bus too?

By all means!

501 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:08:27am

re: #500 wrenchwench

By all means!

OK, maybe not the whole party, but Carter for sure.

502 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:09:01am

re: #491 generalsparky

So are you gonna throw Jimmy Carter and the Democrat Party under that bus too?

that is one hell of a good idea!...wished I'd thought of that

503 generalsparky  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:10:06am

re: #501 wrenchwench

OK, maybe not the whole party, but Carter for sure.

Why not the whole party? Doesn't one bad apple spoil the bunch?

504 simoom  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:10:31am

BTW, the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Senate hearings have been going on for a little while this morning. You can watch a live stream here:

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

505 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:10:39am

re: #501 wrenchwench

OK, maybe not the whole party, but Carter for sure.

call them the Tiremark Party

506 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:10:46am

re: #503 generalsparky

Why not the whole party? Doesn't one bad apple spoil the bunch?

If you say so. I didn't.

507 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:11:36am

Morning/Afternoon/Good Evening all.

Murtha in ICU Following 'Complications' From Surgery

Rep. John Murtha has been admitted to an intensive care unit at a Virginia hospital after experiencing "complications" from gall bladder surgery a week ago.

My apologies if this has already been posted. Problems with the machine the last 3 day.

508 generalsparky  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:12:06am

re: #506 wrenchwench

If you say so. I didn't.

I don't. I also don't hold the son accountable for the sins of the father. But it is quite apparent that some certainly do.

509 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:12:16am

I'm really pushing for Vienna!! but that bitch Tenley is screwing everything up.

510 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:12:53am

re: #497 Decatur Deb

I would treat their statements as suspect, and look for other perspectives.

I do that for just about every statement that I read from just about anyone, so I think that's a reasonable position.

It's silly to believe that we shouldn't read just about anything with an eye towards the lens through which the author(s) was focused. It's also silly to uncategorically ignore items just because we perceive their author(s) to be using a different lens than ours. It should take something more odious before we assume the item to contain no value whatsoever.

511 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:13:06am

Voting 23-17, the Democratic-controlled Senate kicked to the House a bill by Sen. Frederick Quayle, R-Suffolk, that supporters say will send a message to Washington about its efforts to overhaul the health-care system.

message to the feds...

[Link: www2.timesdispatch.com...]

512 generalsparky  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:13:38am

re: #507 Bubblehead II

Morning/Afternoon/Good Evening all.

Murtha in ICU Following 'Complications' From Surgery

Rep. John Murtha has been admitted to an intensive care unit at a Virginia hospital after experiencing "complications" from gall bladder surgery a week ago.

My apologies if this has already been posted. Problems with the machine the last 3 day.

I hadn't seen this. Prayers for Murtha. That is just terrible. I had my gall bladder out when my youngest was just a couple of months old. It all went very smoothly and was a very easy recovery. I wonder what went wrong?

513 Stanghazi  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:13:53am

re: #507 Bubblehead II

Morning/Afternoon/Good Evening all.

Murtha in ICU Following 'Complications' From Surgery

Rep. John Murtha has been admitted to an intensive care unit at a Virginia hospital after experiencing "complications" from gall bladder surgery a week ago.

My apologies if this has already been posted. Problems with the machine the last 3 day.

OMG the comments!

514 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:15:21am

re: #513 Stanley Sea

What you give out comes back to you 10 fold. My he have the worlds meanest nurse with cold hands and have to take his temp. the "special" way...

Ass-fixation rears its ugly head again.

515 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:16:23am

re: #510 Aceofwhat?

I do that for just about every statement that I read from just about anyone, so I think that's a reasonable position.

It's silly to believe that we shouldn't read just about anything with an eye towards the lens through which the author(s) was focused. It's also silly to uncategorically ignore items just because we perceive their author(s) to be using a different lens than ours. It should take something more odious before we assume the item to contain no value whatsoever.

It's just that I've been hearing similar stuff since the Eisenhower administration. It's not useful to examine a pile of coal every year to see if it has turned into a diamond. I also know when I'm hearing crap from my side.

516 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:16:41am

re: #488 wrenchwench

They share the characteristic of being antisemitic. It's not just economic cranks, but there's a lot of crossover. I just don't understand your desire to deflect attention from Birchers. First you say they aren't there, then you say it doesn't matter if they are. Why do they deserve your defense?

They don't deserve my defense, nor do they get it.

I don't understand the obsession with the JBS, frankly. It's a smallish group who've been on the fringes of the American right since their founding.

517 generalsparky  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:16:45am

re: #513 Stanley Sea

OMG the comments!

Are they positive or negative? I have decided that only the crazies use the comments on news sites so I usually don't read them.

518 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:16:54am

re: #498 Decatur Deb

I have, I don't agree with it, but I send them donations.

The point was that their position on that topic is in no way 'centrist'. Some of their positions appear to be centrist (free speech) and others appear to be leftist (affirmative action as a means of redress), but it's pretty tough to find any position of theirs that one could categorize as right-leaning. Ergo, they are left-leaning.

519 Stanghazi  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:17:32am

re: #517 generalsparky

Are they positive or negative? I have decided that only the crazies use the comments on news sites so I usually don't read them.

Don't bother. Just a bunch of bad wishes cloaked in the "well you wished death upon Limbaugh" bullshit.

520 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:17:35am

re: #508 generalsparky

I don't. I also don't hold the son accountable for the sins of the father. But it is quite apparent that some certainly do.

If you aren't saying that I do, then leave me out of that.

521 generalsparky  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:18:43am

re: #519 Stanley Sea

Don't bother. Just a bunch of bad wishes cloaked in the "well you wished death upon Limbaugh" bullshit.

Thanks. Definitely not worth my time.

522 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:18:44am

re: #512 generalsparky

Not sure; the original procedure was at Bethesda Naval Hospital; he's now at Virginia Hospital Center. The speculation is that the laprascopic procedure may have nicked a bile duct.

523 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:19:01am

re: #516 Guanxi88

They don't deserve my defense, nor do they get it.

I don't understand the obsession with the JBS, frankly. It's a smallish group who've been on the fringes of the American right since their founding.

Complete contradiction in two paragraphs.

Well done.

524 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:19:21am

re: #515 Decatur Deb

It's just that I've been hearing similar stuff since the Eisenhower administration. It's not useful to examine a pile of coal every year to see if it has turned into a diamond. I also know when I'm hearing crap from my side.

That's fine. That's different than stating that you disqualify certain sources based on brittle, unsupported accusations directed at their backers.

525 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:19:49am

re: #508 generalsparky

I don't. I also don't hold the son accountable for the sins of the father. But it is quite apparent that some certainly do.

The son was the Libertarian VP candidate. That's sin enough for me.

526 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:20:31am

re: #523 wrenchwench

Complete contradiction in two paragraphs.

Well done.

Completely missed the point.

Very well done, indeed. It takes effort to deliberately miss like that.

527 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:21:42am

re: #523 wrenchwench

Complete contradiction in two paragraphs.

Well done.

Also, a contradiction would look more like this:

"They don't get my defense, nor do they deserve it.

And besides, they're a fine and patriotic bunch a folk who just have our best interests at heart."

528 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:21:50am

re: #520 wrenchwench

If you aren't saying that I do, then leave me out of that.

from your post earlier

David Koch could be a Bircher.

help me on this one...

529 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:21:55am

the witch hunt is still on, I see.

530 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:22:40am

re: #516 Guanxi88

If the topic bores you so much, you could just avoid posting in threads about it.

531 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:22:58am

re: #524 Aceofwhat?

That's fine. That's different than stating that you disqualify certain sources based on brittle, unsupported accusations directed at their backers.

Next up: Mellon Scaife.

532 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:23:09am

re: #530 Obdicut

If the topic bores you so much, you could just avoid posting in threads about it.

Who said I'm bored by it?

I find this particular fixation fascinating.

533 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:23:40am

re: #532 Guanxi88

Are there any other 'fixations' that Charles has that you find 'fascinating'?

534 generalsparky  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:23:52am

re: #522 lawhawk

Not sure; the original procedure was at Bethesda Naval Hospital; he's now at Virginia Hospital Center. The speculation is that the laprascopic procedure may have nicked a bile duct.

:-(

I am sure that Bethesda is a wonderful hospital. But I use Tricare Standard and pay out of pocket instead of having "free" healthcare at a military hospital. I have had some rather bad experiences at military hospitals and I won't use them.

535 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:23:59am

re: #533 Obdicut

Are there any other 'fixations' that Charles has that you find 'fascinating'?

I'm sorry, was I speaking about Charles here?

536 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:24:04am

re: #519 Stanley Sea

Don't bother. Just a bunch of bad wishes cloaked in the "well you wished death upon Limbaugh" bullshit.

did Murtha wish Limbaugh ill?

537 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:24:16am

Why Did ObamaCare Die?
But Democrats allowed the opposition to develop with their drawn-out legislative process. And that was due in large part to two liberal lions of Congress with a knack for deal-making being sidelined.

liberals who continuously moan that the GOP blocked HC reform should read this instead of deflecting the blame

[Link: blogs.investors.com...]

538 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:25:43am

re: #533 Obdicut

Are there any other 'fixations' that Charles has that you find 'fascinating'?

huh?...what's with Charles?

539 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:25:45am

re: #513 Stanley Sea

Yeah, some of them are pretty despicable.

ralpherus

I can only hope its misery is larger than all the misery his evil treasons have inflicted upon innocent Americans...followed by its death. May the murder pig of chappaquiddick meet him at the gates screaming get me outta here!

pathetic

540 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:26:04am

re: #535 Guanxi88

I'm sorry, was I speaking about Charles here?

Why have you stopped with your suggestions and recommendations?

I value them, I really do.

541 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:26:22am

re: #535 Guanxi88

Weren't you? It's Charles who keeps posting articles about the JBS.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

542 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:26:46am

re: #533 Obdicut

Are there any other 'fixations' that Charles has that you find 'fascinating'?

Hmm, I find the Charles reference a little odd, gotta admit

543 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:27:27am

re: #528 Aceofwhat?

help me on this one...

He could be. I don't base that on his father. I base it on his own associations. Do you have evidence that he is not?

544 generalsparky  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:27:36am

re: #535 Guanxi88

I'm sorry, was I speaking about Charles here?

Obdicut is Charles' cheerleader or bouncer. I haven't quite figured out which. Maybe both?

545 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:27:38am

re: #542 cliffster

Why? Charles has posted lots of times about the Birch society, and made it very clear last night that he takes them seriously as a problem.

546 Stanghazi  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:27:58am

re: #536 Ericus58

did Murtha wish Limbaugh ill?

Nah, they are talking to the libruhls who wished bad on Limbaugh, so it's ok for them crapola. Complete waste of time to read comments.

547 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:28:00am

re: #541 Obdicut

Weren't you? It's Charles who keeps posting articles about the JBS.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

heh...I never noticed, but that's irrelevant, he's not here posting at the moment

548 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:28:21am

re: #541 Obdicut

Weren't you? It's Charles who keeps posting articles about the JBS.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Are you going somewhere with this, by any chance?

you dragged the chief into it, and you seem to think I think he has JBS-fixation.

549 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:28:41am

re: #545 Obdicut

Why? Charles has posted lots of times about the Birch society, and made it very clear last night that he takes them seriously as a problem.

The "what? you dare disagree with Charles??" tone is what I'm referring to.

550 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:29:03am

re: #545 Obdicut

Why? Charles has posted lots of times about the Birch society, and made it very clear last night that he takes them seriously as a problem.

we know that...is that some sort of point?

551 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:29:10am

re: #532 Guanxi88

Who said I'm bored by it?

I find this particular fixation fascinating.

JBS!

Booga!

552 Achilles Tang  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:29:27am

re: #537 albusteve

Why Did ObamaCare Die?
But Democrats allowed the opposition to develop with their drawn-out legislative process. And that was due in large part to two liberal lions of Congress with a knack for deal-making being sidelined.

liberals who continuously moan that the GOP blocked HC reform should read this instead of deflecting the blame

Just popping in for a quickie here. I don't know enough of the details to argue the above, but I do know that the Republicans had 8 years of doing nothing about it, so it does kind of make sense to think that they would still rather do nothing.

553 Stanghazi  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:29:30am

re: #539 Bubblehead II

Yeah, some of them are pretty despicable.

ralpherus

I can only hope its misery is larger than all the misery his evil treasons have inflicted upon innocent Americans...followed by its death. May the murder pig of chappaquiddick meet him at the gates screaming get me outta here!

pathetic

Man, you went deeper than I. (But you are Bubblehead - ha!) Come back & get de-loused.

554 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:29:51am

re: #544 generalsparky

Obdicut is Charles' cheerleader or bouncer. I haven't quite figured out which. Maybe both?

This is not called for at all. If you don't like it when someone defends what I post, what the hell are you doing at my blog?

555 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:30:10am

re: #543 wrenchwench

He could be. I don't base that on his father. I base it on his own associations. Do you have evidence that he is not?

Don't ask me to prove the null hypothesis...that's just shoddy debate tactics. Evidence that he is not = lack of evidence that he is. I will assume that X is not a member of the JBS society, or any other society, unless one of us has evidence to the contrary. Today, David Koch is X.

556 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:30:50am

re: #552 Naso Tang

Just popping in for a quickie here. I don't know enough of the details to argue the above, but I do know that the Republicans had 8 years of doing nothing about it, so it does kind of make sense to think that they would still rather do nothing.

they helped block some very bad legislation....that's what they are supposed to do

557 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:31:02am

re: #548 Guanxi88

Well, what's your standard for 'fixation'?

re: #549 cliffster

What tone is that? I'm saying that using dismissive language like calling it a fixation and mocking paying attention to it on the man's website is rude. It's got nothing to do with disagreement. You might even say it's got to do with tone.

Whatever. This is going to go nowhere.

558 Stanghazi  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:31:31am

re: #542 cliffster

Hmm, I find the Charles reference a little odd, gotta admit

Ya had to be here last night in the midst of it. Check the bottom comment.

559 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:31:45am
560 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:32:13am

re: #557 Obdicut

Well, what's your standard for 'fixation'?

Well, let's take the case of KGT, who used the shared surname of David Koch and his father, one f the original birchers, to discredit CVATO altogether as a Bircher faction.

See, the tendency to see Birchers everywhere and at work everywhere is a prime example of a fixation.

561 Unions = Innovation slash slash  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:32:46am

re: #534 generalsparky

:-(

I am sure that Bethesda is a wonderful hospital. But I use Tricare Standard and pay out of pocket instead of having "free" healthcare at a military hospital. I have had some rather bad experiences at military hospitals and I won't use them.

Same here.

562 Achilles Tang  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:32:56am

Is anyone else having funny lag times with the cursor in the comment box? I have only started to notice this the past couple of days. Typing is fine, but if I try to move the cursor to another position, or select a block, there is a 3-4 second lag before it moves.

I'm using Chrome and XP, and haven't noticed this anywhere else, yet.

563 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:32:59am

re: #548 Guanxi88

Are you going somewhere with this, by any chance?

you dragged the chief into it, and you seem to think I think he has JBS-fixation.

Damn, that gets a downding from the chief?

564 Blueheron  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:33:31am

Just wandered in to see if anything interesting is being discussed. No. Just slams on people who want a limited government.
Being decent to each others ideas and treating them with respect would be so refreshing.
Am I speaking in code?

565 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:33:51am

re: #564 Blueheron

Just wandered in to see if anything interesting is being discussed. No. Just slams on people who want a limited government.
Being decent to each others ideas and treating them with respect would be so refreshing.
Am I speaking in code?

Bircher!
//

566 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:33:52am

re: #560 Guanxi88

Well, let's take the case of KGT, who used the shared surname of David Koch and his father, one f the original birchers, to discredit CVATO altogether as a Bircher faction.

See, the tendency to see Birchers everywhere and at work everywhere is a prime example of a fixation.

And the tendency to make light of the increasing influence of John Birchers in the GOP is just plain stupid.

567 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:34:16am

re: #560 Guanxi88

Well, let's take the case of KGT, who used the shared surname of David Koch and his father, one f the original birchers, to discredit CVATO altogether as a Bircher faction.

See, the tendency to see Birchers everywhere and at work everywhere is a prime example of a fixation.

And that gets one, too?

So, CATO is Birch? Is that how it works now?

568 generalsparky  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:34:17am

re: #554 Charles

This is not called for at all. If you don't like it when someone defends what I post, what the hell are you doing at my blog?

569 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:34:43am

re: #555 Aceofwhat?

Don't ask me to prove the null hypothesis...that's just shoddy debate tactics. Evidence that he is not = lack of evidence that he is. I will assume that X is not a member of the JBS society, or any other society, unless one of us has evidence to the contrary. Today, David Koch is X.

I didn't ask for proof. I asked for evidence. I have evidence that he shares the ideas of the Birchers, and he has a very strong familial tie. What do you have?

570 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:34:49am

re: #557 Obdicut

Whatever. This is going to go nowhere.

You're probably right. Perhaps I was incorrectly lumping you in with other folks and the way they act when you take an opposing position. "Charles sez..." Sorry for jumping to conclusions.

571 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:35:12am

re: #563 Guanxi88

Damn, that gets a downding from the chief?

Hey, i was all over KT for the guilt-by-imagined-association bit, but you're all alone on this part. Highlighting the JBS for their current role in affairs is a far cry from tainting unassociated parties with the JBS brand. So i'm not surprised you've raised a hackle or two.

Just tryin' to call it like i see it...

572 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:35:22am

re: #562 Naso Tang

Is anyone else having funny lag times with the cursor in the comment box? I have only started to notice this the past couple of days. Typing is fine, but if I try to move the cursor to another position, or select a block, there is a 3-4 second lag before it moves.

I'm using Chrome and XP, and haven't noticed this anywhere else, yet.

I'm good/Firefox

573 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:35:23am

re: #567 Guanxi88

And that gets one, too?

So, CATO is Birch? Is that how it works now?

I don't think anyone said that. We need a boob pun thread.

574 Achilles Tang  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:35:31am

re: #556 albusteve

they helped block some very bad legislation...that's what they are supposed to do

Doesn't change what they didn't do for 8 years.

Obviously I'm in the camp that thinks something should be done; almost anything.

575 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:35:37am

re: #566 Charles

And the tendency to make light of the increasing influence of John Birchers in the GOP is just plain stupid.

Clarify this for me, then:

Are we to run around in circles in a blind panic at the thought of the JBS?

576 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:35:38am

re: #562 Naso Tang

Is anyone else having funny lag times with the cursor in the comment box? I have only started to notice this the past couple of days. Typing is fine, but if I try to move the cursor to another position, or select a block, there is a 3-4 second lag before it moves.

I'm using Chrome and XP, and haven't noticed this anywhere else, yet.

Yup. Chrome, XP.

577 Blueheron  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:35:41am

re: #561 rwdflynavy

Same here.

re: #565 Guanxi88

Bircher!
//

:-P~~~~~~~~~
/

578 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:36:04am

re: #573 Decatur Deb

I don't think anyone said that. We need a boob pun thread.

Nope, KGT clearly said they were, upthread.

579 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:37:06am

re: #575 Guanxi88

Clarify this for me, then:

Are we to run around in circles in a blind panic at the thought of the JBS?

What utter nonsense. It's extremely clear that you have an agenda to mock and make light of this subject. Why?

580 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:37:17am

re: #564 Blueheron

Just wandered in to see if anything interesting is being discussed. No. Just slams on people who want a limited government.
Being decent to each others ideas and treating them with respect would be so refreshing.
Am I speaking in code?

I'm slamming antisemites. I don't care if they also want limited government.

581 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:37:55am

re: #579 Charles

What utter nonsense. It's extremely clear that you have an agenda to mock and make light of this subject. Why?

because I'm a Seekrit bircher, maybe?

Or because I think the whole thing is a leftish version of ACORN-panic?

582 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:38:13am

re: #568 generalsparky

You screwed up and left off a tag, but I saw what you posted, and you can just piss right off.

583 Achilles Tang  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:38:23am

re: #576 cliffster

Yup. Chrome, XP.

Yup what?

584 simoom  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:38:36am

re: #238 cliffster

"No one making less than $250,000 will have their taxes raised" Who said that?

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Reuters pulled this story:

"The story went out, and it shouldn't have gone out," said Courtney Dolan, a spokeswoman for Reuters. "It had significant errors of fact."

[Link: tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

585 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:38:37am

re: #560 Guanxi88

David Koch funds Americans For Prosperity, one of those faux-grassroots organizations.

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

He's a very strong supporter of the Tea Parties.

He also funds the [Link: thinkprogress.org...] Hot-Air Tour and the Competitive Enterprise Institute to attack AGW.

Whether or not he's a bircher, he's an anti-science, pro-Tea Party (the faux-grassroots kind) jackass. THe head of AFP, for example, is Art Pope who's main goal is to oust moderate conservatives.

Koch wants to move the GOP to the right.

586 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:39:03am

re: #569 wrenchwench

I didn't ask for proof. I asked for evidence. I have evidence that he shares the ideas of the Birchers, and he has a very strong familial tie. What do you have?

First, which ideas of the Birchers are you referring to? I'll bet they had an idea or two that i share, but i want absolutely nothing to do with them. I share most of my genetic code with an orangutan, but i can't grab branches with my feet.

Very strong familial tie? That's just so lazy. I'm looking for ideas, evidence, comments, and you respond with daddy. Super.

I have evidence that he donates money to a wide range of recipients...some of which, like the ACLU, tend to draw heavily from the left side of the political spectrum.

You see a lot of Birchers backing the ACLU?

587 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:39:18am

re: #562 Naso Tang

Is anyone else having funny lag times with the cursor in the comment box? I have only started to notice this the past couple of days. Typing is fine, but if I try to move the cursor to another position, or select a block, there is a 3-4 second lag before it moves.

I'm using Chrome and XP, and haven't noticed this anywhere else, yet.

My cursor sometimes freezes as I'm typing, only to have all the text appear in a spurt a few seconds later. IE8 and XP. Closing the browser & reopening usually fixes it.

588 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:39:19am

re: #574 Naso Tang

Doesn't change what they didn't do for 8 years.

Obviously I'm in the camp that thinks something should be done; almost anything.

I think something will, just not a sweeping mess that just died...maybe several separate bills, whatever, but I do not dismiss the fact that this particular legislation really need to be fairly bipartisan...the last blurb I posted pointed out another reason why it wasn't

589 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:39:27am

re: #585 Obdicut

David Koch funds Americans For Prosperity, one of those faux-grassroots organizations.

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...] ns_for_Prosperity

He's a very strong supporter of the Tea Parties.

He also funds the [Link: thinkprogress.org...] -science/ Hot-Air Tour and the Competitive Enterprise Institute to attack AGW.

Whether or not he's a bircher, he's an anti-science, pro-Tea Party (the faux-grassroots kind) jackass. THe head of AFP, for example, is Art Pope who's main goal is to oust moderate conservatives.

Koch wants to move the GOP to the right.

Great, thanks for the info. I'd have never guessed he was to the right of center.

590 cliffster  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:39:52am

re: #583 Naso Tang

Yup what?

Yup, funny lag times. Didn't you ask about funny lag times? It's too early in the day to be going nuts.

591 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:40:00am

re: #586 Aceofwhat?


I have evidence that he donates money to a wide range of recipients...some of which, like the ACLU, tend to draw heavily from the left side of the political spectrum.

You see a lot of Birchers backing the ACLU?

yeah, just look at the Koch family.

////

592 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:40:40am

re: #582 Charles

You screwed up and left off a tag, but I saw what you posted, and you can just piss right off.

Invisible Flounce!

593 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:40:56am

re: #586 Aceofwhat?

See my post above, Ace.

AFP, CEI are both his babies.

re: #589 Guanxi88

You'd never have guessed a lot of things, apparently. You don't see anything wrong with him funding AGW-denial institutions, Tea Party shenanigans of the most faux-grassroots kind, and attempting to unseat moderate Republicans?

594 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:41:37am

re: #589 Guanxi88

You'd never have guessed a lot of things, apparently. You don't see anything wrong with him funding AGW-denial institutions, Tea Party shenanigans of the most faux-grassroots kind, and attempting to unseat moderate Republicans?

Clever lad that you are, did it not occur to you that perhaps one can be dead wrong on a range of issues without being a Bircher?

595 Blueheron  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:42:08am

re: #566 Charles

And the tendency to make light of the increasing influence of John Birchers in the GOP is just plain stupid.


Charles could you direct me to a good article on the John Birch Society and their new found influence. Back in the day they were good for a few billboards and ranting about the 'Warren court' but everyone I knew blew them off as the crazy uncles in the closet.
Can a case be made they are more influential now? If so can I not still be a limited government conservative without being a 'Bircher'?
I can promise you I will never be a liberal Democrat. So what would you suggest for those of us who love our country and it's Constitution?

596 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:42:32am

re: #581 Guanxi88

because I'm a Seekrit bircher, maybe?

Or because I think the whole thing is a leftish version of ACORN-panic?

Hey, wait a minute. Aren't you one of the people who continually freaks out about ACORN?

Why, yes, you are. I found 44 comments from you in the last 6 months talking about how "dangerous" ACORN is.

597 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:42:48am

re: #594 Guanxi88

You'd never have guessed a lot of things, apparently. You don't see anything wrong with him funding AGW-denial institutions, Tea Party shenanigans of the most faux-grassroots kind, and attempting to unseat moderate Republicans?


Clever lad that you are, did it not occur to you that perhaps one can be dead wrong on a range of issues without being a Bircher?

what principles that the JBS brings to the table are positive and admirable?

598 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:43:46am

re: #595 Blueheron

Charles could you direct me to a good article on the John Birch Society and their new found influence. Back in the day they were good for a few billboards and ranting about the 'Warren court' but everyone I knew blew them off as the crazy uncles in the closet.
Can a case be made they are more influential now? If so can I not still be a limited government conservative without being a 'Bircher'?
I can promise you I will never be a liberal Democrat. So what would you suggest for those of us who love our country and it's Constitution?

Hear! hear! I want proof - other than they're at CPAC - that thy're gaining power and influence.
I want to know how a limited government case can be made without being in league with them, or whether, if this is impossible, it wouldn't be better for anyone to the right of the Clintons to just sit out of elections, for the good of the country.

599 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:44:21am

re: #595 Blueheron

Charles could you direct me to a good article on the John Birch Society and their new found influence.

I've posted dozens of articles about them. The search function is a good thing to learn to use.

600 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:44:29am

re: #594 Guanxi88

Yes. In fact, I haven't called him a Bircher. It hardly matters, because what he represents is every bit as radical and extreme as the Birchers-- cleansed, perhaps, of their staggering racism.

However, your summation of him as 'right of center' is moronic. He's funding AGW denial and the establishment-copted version of the Tea Parties, and funding the ouster of moderate republicans. I don't care if he's a bircher or not-- that's what he's actually doing.

601 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:44:43am

re: #596 Charles

Hey, wait a minute. Aren't you one of the people who continually freaks out about ACORN?

Why, yes, you are. I found 44 comments from you in the last 6 months talking about how "dangerous" ACORN is.

Yes, yes I am. Isn't it absurd, though, when you get down to it?

All this time, I was worried about a group mobbed up with the POTUS, when I really should have cowered before the power of the mighty JBS.

602 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:44:51am

re: #593 Obdicut

See my post above, Ace.

AFP, CEI are both his babies.

re: #589 Guanxi88

You'd never have guessed a lot of things, apparently. You don't see anything wrong with him funding AGW-denial institutions, Tea Party shenanigans of the most faux-grassroots kind, and attempting to unseat moderate Republicans?

To be clear, the origin of the discussion was that he is a Bircher, and therefore nothing from the Cato institute need be read. I am still waiting for actual evidence to the contrary.

I will repeat myself again (heh). Disqualifying publications based on their sources is a debate-chilling little game, and one that IMHO many of us can play with greater care.

603 Achilles Tang  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:45:14am

re: #587 The Sanity Inspector

My cursor sometimes freezes as I'm typing, only to have all the text appear in a spurt a few seconds later. IE8 and XP. Closing the browser & reopening usually fixes it.

I've had that too, but figured Windows had a sneeze coming on and got distracted. The cursor thing is so specific though that it stands out.

I'm going to look into Macs next time, but I'm at the age where I don't really want to learn this shit over again.

604 Blueheron  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:46:12am

re: #580 wrenchwench

I'm slamming antisemites. I don't care if they also want limited government.

Okay I'm all for that.

605 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:46:28am

re: #586 Aceofwhat?

First, which ideas of the Birchers are you referring to? I'll bet they had an idea or two that i share, but i want absolutely nothing to do with them. I share most of my genetic code with an orangutan, but i can't grab branches with my feet.

See #585.

Very strong familial tie? That's just so lazy. I'm looking for ideas, evidence, comments, and you respond with daddy. Super.


See above. But don't entirely discount Daddy.

I have evidence that he donates money to a wide range of recipients...some of which, like the ACLU, tend to draw heavily from the left side of the political spectrum.

You see a lot of Birchers backing the ACLU?

Meaningless.

606 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:47:36am

re: #522 lawhawk

I had that happen when I had my gall bladder out...let me tell you it is really really really uncomfortable. I went through 3 days of hell before they put in a drain.

607 Achilles Tang  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:47:43am

re: #590 cliffster

Wasn't clear if you meant, yup I'm good.

Could this be something to do with LGF? Anybody been messing with its code lately?

608 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:47:48am

re: #602 Aceofwhat?

I will repeat myself again (heh). Disqualifying publications based on their sources is a debate-chilling little game, and one that IMHO many of us can play with greater care.

That's fine. We've moved on quite a bit beyond that, to a defense of David Koch in general. He's not defensible. He funds foundations who's entire purpose is to attack scientists. He's one of the people behind the faux-grassroots crap. He funds someone who wants to make the GOP more conservative by targeting and ousting moderate Republicans.

I personally find Cato just an incredibly variable source; they'll have occasional good articles, and then others using the most theoretical and doubtful forms of Austrian economics.

609 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:48:24am

re: #603 Naso Tang

I've had that too, but figured Windows had a sneeze coming on and got distracted. The cursor thing is so specific though that it stands out.

I'm going to look into Macs next time, but I'm at the age where I don't really want to learn this shit over again.

I've had several HPs and I rarely have any problems with them...Windows7 and Firefox run very fast and smooth on my newest I just bought....8 megs of memory helps...I refresh once in a while but that takes maybe 3 seconds max....I'm hooked

610 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:48:29am

re: #593 Obdicut

See my post above, Ace.

AFP, CEI are both his babies.

I will not disqualify the ACLU based on whether or not David Koch funds them. I won't disqualify PBS based on whether or not David Koch funds them. I won't disqualify the Cato institute based on whether or not David Koch funds them. And I won't associate David Koch with the Birchers based solely on a few shared positions (which ones?) and his lineage.

I'm descended from John Adams. Why isn't everyone licking my boots? OH, yeah...i have to stand on my own merits.

That's about the extent of the point i've been trying to make today. Where Guanxi has gone from there, he's gone on his own!

611 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:48:55am

re: #597 albusteve

what principles that the JBS brings to the table are positive and admirable?

Who says there's anything good about them? I certainly haven't.

612 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:49:43am

re: #610 Aceofwhat?

agh, lots of typing gone down the tube...

613 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:50:53am

re: #610 Aceofwhat?

And again, I have no problem with that. But I can point to actual terribly shitty things that David Koch is doing politically, so it's unimportant to me to show him as a Bircher or not. He's a radical right-wing dude who funds anti-science foundations and is attempting to swing the GOP father right.

And as I said, I've just found Cato to be of very unreliable quality. They have an obvious agenda, but it's not like they're hiding it, either.

614 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:51:28am

re: #601 Guanxi88

Yes, yes I am. Isn't it absurd, though, when you get down to it?

All this time, I was worried about a group mobbed up with the POTUS, when I really should have cowered before the power of the mighty JBS.

And with that, it's obvious that you're arguing dishonestly. I have no more time for this nonsense.

I'm going to keep pointing out the growing influence of the John Birch Society on the GOP and the right wing in general. If that makes you angry, I'll consider it a win.

615 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:52:30am

re: #614 Charles

And with that, it's obvious that you're arguing dishonestly. I have no more time for this nonsense.

I'm going to keep pointing out the growing influence of the John Birch Society on the GOP and the right wing in general. If that makes you angry, I'll consider it a win.

Charles, you haven't made me angry yet, and would have to work awfully hard to even come close to it.

616 Ericus58  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:52:47am

Take the plunge, it good for you....

[Link: www.bungy.co.nz...]

617 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:53:34am

re: #615 Guanxi88

Charles, you haven't made me angry yet, and would have to work awfully hard to even come close to it.

Damn! Even a gracious comment gets a downding.

618 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:54:11am

re: #617 Guanxi88

Damn! Even a gracious comment gets a downding.

that was gracious? i was about to call you brilliant...sarcastically.

619 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:55:02am

re: #617 Guanxi88

The sad part might be that you may think that was actually gracious.

620 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:55:10am

re: #618 Aceofwhat?

that was gracious? i was about to call you brilliant...sarcastically.

No, my sarcasm is always raw, open, and laid bare - like an oyster on the half-shell.

621 albusteve  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:55:22am

re: #615 Guanxi88

Charles, you haven't made me angry yet, and would have to work awfully hard to even come close to it.

I don't think you are doing yourself any favors here

622 Blueheron  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:55:30am

re: #581 Guanxi88

because I'm a Seekrit bircher, maybe?

Or because I think the whole thing is a leftish version of ACORN-panic?

re: #587 The Sanity Inspector

My cursor sometimes freezes as I'm typing, only to have all the text appear in a spurt a few seconds later. IE8 and XP. Closing the browser & reopening usually fixes it.

That happens alot to me and no one has ever accused me a of being a fast typist.

623 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:55:33am

re: #619 Obdicut

The sad part might be that you may think that was actually gracious.

The sadder part yet would be were I to take lessons from you.

624 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:55:38am

I'm off to the new thread..oddly enough much like the old thread...

625 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:56:49am

re: #623 Guanxi88

The sadder part yet would be were I to take lessons from you.

Okay, now that one deserved the down ding; I'll concede that.

626 Achilles Tang  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:00:57am

re: #609 albusteve

I have IE open on the thread above, and no problems, so it must be something with Chrome and perhaps something has changed in LGF page code recently. Problem is I don't like IE.

Firefox next.

627 Blueheron  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:01:30am

re: #593 Obdicut

See my post above, Ace.

AFP, CEI are both his babies.

re: #589 Guanxi88

You'd never have guessed a lot of things, apparently. You don't see anything wrong with him funding AGW-denial institutions, Tea Party shenanigans of the most faux-grassroots kind, and attempting to unseat moderate Republicans?

What's wrong with unseating moderates of any party? The country could use fiscal sanity right now don't you think?

628 Guanxi88  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:03:51am

re: #627 Blueheron

What's wrong with unseating moderates of any party? The country could use fiscal sanity right now don't you think?

Nothing at all, unless you don't want the opposition party to disagree with you too much.

629 Blueheron  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:06:16am

re: #599 Charles

I've posted dozens of articles about them. The search function is a good thing to learn to use.

Thanks.

630 Blueheron  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:10:31am

re: #598 Guanxi88

wouldn't be better for anyone to the right of the Clintons to just sit out of elections, for the good of the country.


I think for the good of the country in this next election season it is incumbent on all of us to research the positions of our local candidates and vote for those who most clearly share our views. They could be Republican or Democrat it doesn't matter but we had better be selective in who we choose to vote for.
No more voting the ticket for me.

631 blueraven  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:38:32am

re: #595 Blueheron

Charles could you direct me to a good article on the John Birch Society and their new found influence. Back in the day they were good for a few billboards and ranting about the 'Warren court' but everyone I knew blew them off as the crazy uncles in the closet.
Can a case be made they are more influential now? If so can I not still be a limited government conservative without being a 'Bircher'?
I can promise you I will never be a liberal Democrat. So what would you suggest for those of us who love our country and it's Constitution?

Blueheron, are you suggesting that liberal democrats don't love this country or the Constitution?

632 Cato the Elder  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:22:47pm

re: #613 Obdicut

[...] I've just found Cato to be of very unreliable quality.

My quality admittedly varies according to time of day and wine intake. It generally gets better late at night after a bottle of vinho verde.

633 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Feb 2, 2010 2:14:24pm

re: #612 Aceofwhat?

agh, lots of typing gone down the tube...

Walk it off.


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