Tonight on the Chris Matthews show, in a discussion about the proposal to repeal the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, “senior fellow” Peter Sprigg of the far right religious group Family Research Council openly said he wants to see “gay behavior” outlawed.
Wow.
(Hat tip: Balloon Juice.)
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darthstar Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:45:44pm |
Repost from the previous thread...re: homophobic fuck-tards. Duncan Hunter was on NPR tonight explaining why DADT shouldn't be repealed. He said it would "open the door to transgenders and hermaphrodites" in the military...what a stupid fuck he is.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:45:56pm |
Moonbat vs Wingbat
Could be a great wrestling match.
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:46:41pm |
We will have to do without Michaleangelo's sculpture ...
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:46:58pm |
That's very Christian!
Luke 19:27 (King James Version)
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
-The loving Savior, Jesus Christ
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:47:04pm |
Bring it on, Klansmen!
Seriously, they see the writing on the wall, and their response is to double down on crazy and bigoted?
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:47:14pm |
We as a nation are going to get past this and we are going to drag the Religious Right, kicking and screaming, with us.
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:47:25pm |
This is not the Christianity I know or have ever subscribed to. This is outright hate.
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:48:07pm |
re: #6 WindUpBird
My theory is that they're in either the 'denial' or the 'rage' phase of mourning >>
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:48:40pm |
re: #8 Irenicum
This is not the Christianity I know or have ever subscribed to. This is outright hate.
Leviticus 20:13
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
It's in the good book™
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Stanghazi Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:48:53pm |
re: #11 idioma
See comment #5
Make a statement (why did I ask that) or go. No biblical quotes for interpretation please.
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:48:55pm |
re: #7 prairiefire
Well, with us? Let's just go on forward, they can come along or not.
Anyway, God loves everybody.
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elizajane Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:48:56pm |
If you think this is extreme, you have clearly spent too much time on moderate websites like HotAir and have failed to read the comment threads on Yahoo!Buzz. The currrent thread on this very topic would shock even you.
Yahoo!Buzz. Where the real unabashed haters hang out.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:48:56pm |
Posted this in spinoffs a couple of days ago, but it pertains here too:
American Family Association Radio Host: It's Time To Imprison All Gays
American Family Association radio host Bryan Fischer has called for sending homosexuals to prison for forced reparative therapy, a move he says is sanctioned by the Bible. Below, he responds to an email from a complaining listener.
This guy's rant proposal sounds exactly like the Ugandan legislation, before they also tacked on the death penalty.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:49:14pm |
re: #10 windsagio
My theory is that they're in either the 'denial' or the 'rage' phase of mourning >>
I'm wondering if their coffers are fat these days. Focus on the Family just laid off a bunch of people, didn't they?
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baier Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:49:46pm |
I like musicals and I'm a man. Is that gay behavior?
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keloyd Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:49:50pm |
If Wiki is to be believed, 31 countries already allow gays to serve. Russia allows "well adjusted homosexuals" to serve. Uruguay? You better believe they're on the list.
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Stanghazi Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:50:03pm |
re: #16 iceweasel
Posted this in spinoffs a couple of days ago, but it pertains here too:
American Family Association Radio Host: It's Time To Imprison All Gays
This guy's
rantproposal sounds exactly like the Ugandan legislation, before they also tacked on the death penalty.
Ice, you have predicted this, but the shit is going to hit the fan.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:50:06pm |
Peter Sprigg of the far right religious group Family Research Council openly said that he wants to see “gay behavior” outlawed.
Too much temptation for him to handle?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:50:10pm |
re: #16 iceweasel
Posted this in spinoffs a couple of days ago, but it pertains here too:
American Family Association Radio Host: It's Time To Imprison All Gays
This guy's
rantproposal sounds exactly like the Ugandan legislation, before they also tacked on the death penalty.
They all have "Family" in the title!
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:50:15pm |
re: #5 idioma
Be cool, now....can't we all condemn the crazy before we have a flame war? :(
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:50:16pm |
re: #1 darthstar
I remember reading somewhere about this unit in WW1 or 2, they all knew that their medic was gay and they did not care, he took good care of them.
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:50:26pm |
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:50:28pm |
re: #11 idioma
I saw it. Why do you ask? Oh, and I saw your other trolly post too about Leviticus. Your point? Oh yeah, that's right, to smear all Christians as haters. Sorry. Not buying it.
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:50:30pm |
re: #12 idioma
Leviticus 20:13
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."It's in the good book™
Are you an Athiest?
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jaunte Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:50:56pm |
This is nutty. Sprigg thinks ending DADT will prevent bigots from serving, and that would be a problem.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:50:59pm |
re: #2 NJDhockeyfan
Moonbat vs Wingbat
Could be a great wrestling match.
While I dislike Matthews' politics, he's not a moonbat. He's left-liberal, but too politically savvy and aware to be a moonbat. Moonbats and wingnuts tend to have a inordinate faith in willpower, while Matthew's tends to place more faith in political knowledge and manuvering.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:51:05pm |
re: #19 keloyd
If Wiki is to be believed, 31 countries already allow gays to serve. Russia allows "well adjusted homosexuals" to serve. Uruguay? You better believe they're on the list.
Define "well adjusted homosexuals".
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:51:20pm |
re: #9 windsagio
I'm not trolling, the bible is very clear on such matters. Moderate Christians must dance around the hateful passages in the bible.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:51:26pm |
awww ain't that special.can religious ass-hattery be outlawed too?
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darthstar Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:51:56pm |
re: #18 baier
I like musicals and I'm a man. Is that gay behavior?
I love musicals, and I'm a man...straight, even. I'd see Cats or Phantom of the Opera any time I could. And on Feb 13, I'm going to be in New York to see Hair! Whoo-hoo! I love my wife for suggesting it!
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:52:13pm |
re: #32 idioma
Also don't lie :p
You know exactly what you're doing, and its pointless.
Pissing on somebody's religion doesn't do anybody any good.
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:52:24pm |
re: #14 Ojoe
Except for gays, infidels, and victims of natural disasters. Scripture is clear on these matters.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:52:44pm |
re: #18 baier
I like musicals and I'm a man. Is that gay behavior?
I dunno. I thought The Princess Bride was an awesome movie. I think we may be in the same boat...
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:52:55pm |
re: #18 baier
Same here. I love musicals. I must be teh ghey!!!
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:53:15pm |
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:53:16pm |
re: #23 iceweasel
Be cool, now...can't we all condemn the crazy before we have a flame war? :(
I'm not here for a flame war, I'm here for the lolz.
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:53:32pm |
re: #19 keloyd
If Wiki is to be believed, 31 countries already allow gays to serve. Russia allows "well adjusted homosexuals" to serve. Uruguay? You better believe they're on the list.
Well adjusted... no screaming maniac Homosexuals may serve?
/// for anyone trying to take me seriously
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:53:56pm |
re: #26 Irenicum
I saw it. Why do you ask? Oh, and I saw your other trolly post too about Leviticus. Your point? Oh yeah, that's right, to smear all Christians as haters. Sorry. Not buying it.
Christians that choose not to hate position themselves in opposition to the god they believe in.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:53:57pm |
Outlawed? Unfrakking-believable.
I wonder what someone like Liz Cheney would say to such nonsensical blatherings that are so bloody ignorant and foolish.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:54:01pm |
re: #32 idioma
now ma' not to start a flame war...and yes i do like the bible,but,it says lotsa stuff we don't ness. take to heart.if god finds it an abomination,i say let him deal with it.vengence is mine and all that.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:54:13pm |
re: #31 NJDhockeyfan
Define "well adjusted homosexuals".
All the steel studs on the vest are aligned vertically and horizontally within 2 degree tolerance.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:54:25pm |
re: #36 windsagio
Also don't lie :p
You know exactly what you're doing, and its pointless.
Pissing on somebody's religion doesn't do anybody any good.
Charles wouldn't tolerate someone doing that to Muslims or Jews and he probably wont tolerate this.
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:54:35pm |
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brookly red Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:54:57pm |
re: #7 prairiefire
We as a nation are going to get past this and we are going to drag the Religious Right, kicking and screaming, with us.
I don't excuse the religious right, but as a life long resident of the very liberal city of New York where we don't have much of a religious right I have made the observation that gay bashing happens & to pretend that it is exclusively owned by the right, religious or other is intellectually dishonest... I also do not feel the need to defend this post. It is what it is and politicizing it is bullshit.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:55:01pm |
re: #7 prairiefire
We as a nation are going to get past this and we are going to drag the Religious Right, kicking and screaming, with us.
Do we have to? Can't we just leave them behind, with some dried kibble and let them fend for themselves?
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:55:09pm |
re: #49 NJDhockeyfan
Charles wouldn't tolerate someone doing that to Muslims or Jews and he probably wont tolerate this.
Would you excuse a muslim for demanding that gays be outlawed?
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:55:38pm |
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baier Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:55:59pm |
re: #32 idioma
I'm not trolling, the bible is very clear on such matters. Moderate Christians must dance around the hateful passages in the bible.
I'm not religious, but we all "dance around" written documents of our ancestors. We all know, for example, that the founders of this nation owned slaved, but many of us believe in their vision. We can't condemn the entire document. Focus on the things that they got right.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:56:01pm |
re: #46 lawhawk
Outlawed? Unfrakking-believable.
I wonder what someone like Liz Cheney would say to such nonsensical blatherings that are so bloody ignorant and foolish.
I'd love it if she'd actually speak out against the FRC and FOTF!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:56:10pm |
re: #18 baier
I like musicals and I'm a man. Is that gay behavior?
Yes. You should seek medical help.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:56:28pm |
re: #19 keloyd
If Wiki is to be believed, 31 countries already allow gays to serve. Russia allows "well adjusted homosexuals" to serve. Uruguay? You better believe they're on the list.
What makes someone a maladjusted homosexual?
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:56:31pm |
re: #47 Boondock St. Bender
now ma' not to start a flame war...and yes i do like the bible,but,it says lotsa stuff we don't ness. take to heart.if god finds it an abomination,i say let him deal with it.vengence is mine and all that.
No successful god ever left the killing to anyone but his most loyal followers. Historical horrors repeat over and over again, precisely because people of faith don't leave god to do the judging.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:56:43pm |
actually i'm opposed to anyone using their religion as a beard for their own hate and intolerance.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:56:43pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:57:09pm |
Gay behavior should be outlawed really?
That's I suppose ok.
I don't think people who can't understand basic science or do algebra should be allowed to vote.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:57:14pm |
Low hanging fruit for even an idiot like Chris Mathews. When Mr. Tingly Legs kicks your ass in a debate it's time to rethink your position.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:57:15pm |
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brucee Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:57:17pm |
re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth
I dunno. I thought The Princess Bride was an awesome movie. I think we may be in the same boat...
Together?!! Quick, one of you get off that boat or we'll have to lock you both up.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:57:18pm |
re: #20 Stanley Sea
Ice, you have predicted this, but the shit is going to hit the fan.
Yes. Homophobia is going to explode this year on the right much the same way we saw racism leap out into the open. Various reasons-- it's the last gasps of the culture wars, DADT, DOMA, Prop 8 trial-- the ACLU just filed suit against Hawaii for their recent decision-- the issue is coming up to the forefront again.
This guy I just linked is someone on the American Family Association radio network and the AFA has had a great deal of influence on US politics-- huge in the 80's, and imo resurgent now with the GOP pandering to the wingnut fringe, esp the religious right.
It also seemed highly relevant to me because of Uganda's legislation about homosexuals, including the death penalty-- and because various American fundamentalists and evangenlicals played key roles in that legislation being passed. This even sounds like the prior Ugandan legislation.
We're seeing all the old culture warriors, not that they ever went away. Operation Rescue, Randall Terry-- it's no coincidence.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:57:24pm |
re: #24 Ojoe
I remember reading somewhere about this unit in WW1 or 2, they all knew that their medic was gay and they did not care, he took good care of them.
A lot of WW2 vets have been quoted as saying that they knew gay guys in their units. They didn't have time to worry about that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:57:51pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:57:53pm |
re: #46 lawhawk
Outlawed? Unfrakking-believable.
I wonder what someone like Liz Cheney would say to such nonsensical blatherings that are so bloody ignorant and foolish.
Well remember the party of personal freedom wants to spy on you... particularly between your sheets.
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doubter4444 Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:57:59pm |
re: #59 idioma
No successful god ever left the killing to anyone but his most loyal followers. Historical horrors repeat over and over again, precisely because people of faith don't leave god to do the judging.
Please stop trolling.
It's bad form, and we don't need it.
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baier Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:58:12pm |
re: #62 LudwigVanQuixote
Gay behavior should be outlawed really?
That's I suppose ok.
I don't think people who can't understand basic science or do algebra should be allowed to vote.
I dunno. A kid called me gay in Junior High because I was a science nerd...I don't want to share a cell with that guy...
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:58:15pm |
re: #60 Boondock St. Bender
actually i'm opposed to anyone using their religion as a beard for their own hate and intolerance.
Or lack thereof.
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:58:22pm |
re: #55 baier
I'm not religious, but we all "dance around" written documents of our ancestors. We all know, for example, that the founders of this nation owned slaved, but many of us believe in their vision. We can't condemn the entire document. Focus on the things that they got right.
But we can openly say: "The founders were wrong about slavery, and it left a mark on our history, and nearly destroyed our union."
Do you find it necessary to respect a pro-slavery stance if someone supports it with faith?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:58:23pm |
re: #28 jaunte
This is nutty. Sprigg thinks ending DADT will prevent bigots from serving, and that would be a problem.
Because the U.S. Armed Forces depend on bigots serving?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:58:28pm |
re: #69 LudwigVanQuixote
Well remember the party of personal freedom wants to spy on you... particularly between your sheets.
But they are the fiscally responsible party, so they will only spend billions to do it.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:58:31pm |
re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist
What makes someone a maladjusted homosexual?
Being someone like Larry Craig?
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:58:45pm |
re: #47 Boondock St. Bender
now ma' not to start a flame war...and yes i do like the bible,but,it says lotsa stuff we don't ness. take to heart.if god finds it an abomination,i say let him deal with it.vengence is mine and all that.
English, man! We still use it here!
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:58:56pm |
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:59:03pm |
re: #51 brookly red
That's a good point, Brookly. Since this gentleman and his attitude is from a RR group, I leapt to the conclusion./
But you are correct. Gays are beaten and killed by people who very well may have never stepped one foot in a church, ever.
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brucee Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:59:06pm |
idioma: "I'm here for the lolz."
In his profile he admits he's here to troll and you guys still feed him?!
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 2, 2010 7:59:25pm |
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:00:02pm |
re: #79 idioma
last thing I"m gonna say, but:
"Yes it is."
It just ruins your sense of superiority to admit it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:00:09pm |
re: #51 brookly red
I don't excuse the religious right, but as a life long resident of the very liberal city of New York where we don't have much of a religious right I have made the observation that gay bashing happens & to pretend that it is exclusively owned by the right, religious or other is intellectually dishonest... I also do not feel the need to defend this post. It is what it is and politicizing it is bullshit.
I would say that it is primarily owned by the right, because it aligns with right wing political tribalism. Politically, it simply is, this is a checkable fact. This IS politics, it cannot be "politicized", it is actually politics itself. Advocating outlawing gay behavior is politics to FRC's adherents. Direct democracy to ban gay marriage in ballot initiatives as a way to drive turnout is politics.
73% of self-identified Republicans believe I am not fit to teach children. One party consistently and predictably kicks gays in this country, one party does not.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:00:10pm |
re: #32 idioma
I'm not trolling, the bible is very clear on such matters. Moderate Christians must dance around the hateful passages in the bible.
You've got the Robert Spencer problem--you can't handle the idea that anyone in the faith interprets their text in any way but the one that makes your point.
Have you read anything about how moderate Christians deal theologically with homosexuality?
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baier Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:00:20pm |
re: #73 idioma
But we can openly say: "The founders were wrong about slavery, and it left a mark on our history, and nearly destroyed our union."
Do you find it necessary to respect a pro-slavery stance if someone supports it with faith?
Of course not, and after posting that I recognize how glib I was.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:00:29pm |
re: #72 NJDhockeyfan
true as well.there;s alot of hate and anger around.Although i gotta you guys are about the sanest group i've run across.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:00:46pm |
I did my undergraduate at a conservatory with a large theater program. Lots of openly gay young men. Dormitory showers and bathrooms were communal. It really doesn't take much to get sued to showing with gay guys and I never had a problem. If they enjoyed looking at my delicious buttocks then good for them.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:00:49pm |
re: #18 baier
I like musicals and I'm a man. Is that gay behavior?
I like REPO: A Genetic Opera, and Rocky Horror :D
(okay, I also dig Cats)
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:01:39pm |
re: #45 idioma
It actually depends on how you interpret the whole of the text of the bible. I agree that a traditional reading has been been pretty antagonistic, to say the least, of those on the outside looking in. But I see both the example of Jesus including the outcasts among his inner circle as an example to me. I'm an outcast. Thus Jesus provides an example for me to follow. You're looking to paint everyone who's called Christian as being of one stripe. And this is demonstrably false. Stop lying.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:01:41pm |
re: #42 SteveC
Well adjusted... no screaming maniac Homosexuals may serve?
/// for anyone trying to take me seriously
My suspicion is that they can't handle too much fabulousness in the ranks.
BTW, anyone else here see Yossi and Jagger?
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:01:43pm |
re: #78 SteveC
wink,wink nudge,nudge,....nuff' said!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:01:50pm |
re: #89 Killgore Trout
Showing = showering.
/Yeesh, I'm a typo factory tonight.
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keloyd Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:01:52pm |
I don't intend to start a flame war, but I can think of some difficulties with this - to what degree should be the rules for fraternization?
Officers who cheat on their wives, or officers who sleep with married women have been subject to courts martial, iirc. How does that work with homosexuals? What about consensual hanky panky within a platoon? What about consensual behavior that can affect group cohesion? With young healthy men and women in the service, it is an enormous challenge delineating between allowable chatting a girl up and prohibited harassment. Some gays I have met are well adjusted, others fit into some ugly stereotypes, that Bobby Trendy sissy type behavior that would get them beaten to a jelly by the other recruits. What do we do about that?
/not against homosexuals serving
//wait-and-see attitude on how to actually do this
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:01:54pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:01:57pm |
re: #91 windsagio
Where did you come down on Moulin Rouge?
I liked it, mostly for the visuals. I have no real burning desire to see it again, though :D
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doubter4444 Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:02:03pm |
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:02:31pm |
re: #89 Killgore Trout
I did my undergraduate at a conservatory with a large theater program. Lots of openly gay young men. Dormitory showers and bathrooms were communal. It really doesn't take much to get sued to showing with gay guys and I never had a problem. If they enjoyed looking at my delicious buttocks then good for them.
used to showering?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:02:32pm |
re: #45 idioma
Christians that choose not to hate position themselves in opposition to the god they believe in.
TOTAL Spencer. "There's no such thing as a moderate Muslim. All Muslims have to believe the Koran literally, and they all interpret it just like I do!"
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:02:35pm |
OK, OT:
Anyone want to help me with a Photoshop prank?
Backstory: I left Seattle on Thursday and accidentally took along my friend's favorite hat, which I borrowed while I was there because they had my winter cap at their house and never managed to return it in two weeks.
He's Type A++ and was upset. I told him we could do a hat exchange by mail when I got back to the east coast.
So now I want to do the following: Take picture of hat. Then photoshop it into a picture from every state I drove through (Washington, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Maryland).
Preferably something touristy and silly like his hat on top of Mount Rushmore.
My Photoshop skills are nonexistent.
Any takers?
P.S. It was a good think I "swiped" his hat. Half the time the temps were in the single digits at night.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:02:46pm |
You know someone who is good at fauxtography should do a parody, clearly labeled as a parody, of Limbaugh taking it in the ass from Robertson. He certainly does morally anyway.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:02:50pm |
re: #46 lawhawk
Outlawed? Unfrakking-believable.
I wonder what someone like Liz Cheney would say to such nonsensical blatherings that are so bloody ignorant and foolish.
She's her father's daughter. I think we know what he would say.
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:02:58pm |
re: #99 WindUpBird
I mainly love how McGregor makes Kidman look like a damn hack >>
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:03:02pm |
re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist
Because the U.S. Armed Forces depend on bigots serving?
The logic goes like this: Socons make up a large proportion of the military, and they are feel uncomfortable around homosexuals. Thus it is better for the sake of recruitment to keep gays out. This argument does make some sense, as it is more important to get the numbers of troops we need than to maintain correct social policies, but I still think its proponents miss the point. a better answer would be to make it clear to those interested in a military career that gays are not harmful to them. Education is the answer here.
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:03:03pm |
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political lunatic Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:03:06pm |
At what point is it okay to say that this kind of social conservatism is evil? I bet he supported the Kill the Gays bill in Uganda too. Why do these guys insist on calling themselves Christians when they continue to ignore everything Christ taught?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:03:09pm |
re: #84 windsagio
We've gone 'round and 'round here on that. Atheism is as much a religion as bald is a hair color.
That being said, I am not down with Idioma's antagonistic vibe on this thread.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:03:13pm |
re: #96 Killgore Trout
Showing = showering.
/Yeesh, I'm a typo factory tonight.
Well, and "sued to" for "used to".
You might as well bring out Killgore Trout Stinks and stick with it for the rest of the evening.
In my most humble opinion.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:03:16pm |
re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist
A lot of WW2 vets have been quoted as saying that they knew gay guys in their units. They didn't have time to worry about that.
After I got out of the draft army, and married, a buddy from my unit told me that I had gained and lost a "queer rap" without knowing it. I got it for reading in the barracks and not lying about girls I didn't know. I lost it because I took up parachuting. (Apparently gays don't have gravity.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:03:17pm |
re: #97 keloyd
Something tells me the swishy bishounen clubkids waving around their martinis are not exactly going to be beating down the doors of Marine recruitment offices. ;-)
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:03:28pm |
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jaunte Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:03:41pm |
re: #97 keloyd
Good story from a link in a previous thread:
And here's a memory:Back when I was in basic training with a bunch of other new immigrants, there was a French recruit -- let's call him Laurent (I honestly forget his name) and he was Flaming avec un F majescule. The Israeli army euphemism for screw-up is a Hebrew-pronounced version of the f-word, and when our commander would bark at is, "Assitem F--- Gadol!!" ("You did a major F---!", ie. "You screwed up!") Laurent would shout out, billowing with joy, "Ken, Hamefaked!!" (Yes, Sir!!!) And we all cracked up, no one was discomfited. Laurent pulled his weight, was a good soldier, and that was that.
Not that my anecdotal evidence says a lot, but surely the overall success of Israel's military, which takes on gays, straights and all shades in between, does.
[Link: blogs.jta.org...]
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darthstar Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:03:47pm |
re: #91 windsagio
Where did you come down on Moulin Rouge?
I think I've seen that about a dozen times on HBO now...love the "Your Song" scene, especially...and Nicole Kidman...yowza!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:03:58pm |
re: #53 idioma
Would you excuse a muslim for demanding that gays be outlawed?
Who the hell has excused Sprigg?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:05:01pm |
re: #66 iceweasel
Yes. Homophobia is going to explode this year on the right much the same way we saw racism leap out into the open. Various reasons-- it's the last gasps of the culture wars, DADT, DOMA, Prop 8 trial-- the ACLU just filed suit against Hawaii for their recent decision-- the issue is coming up to the forefront again.
This guy I just linked is someone on the American Family Association radio network and the AFA has had a great deal of influence on US politics-- huge in the 80's, and imo resurgent now with the GOP pandering to the wingnut fringe, esp the religious right.
It also seemed highly relevant to me because of Uganda's legislation about homosexuals, including the death penalty-- and because various American fundamentalists and evangenlicals played key roles in that legislation being passed. This even sounds like the prior Ugandan legislation.We're seeing all the old culture warriors, not that they ever went away. Operation Rescue, Randall Terry-- it's no coincidence.
I get culture war headaches.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:05:09pm |
re: #112 Decatur Deb
After I got out of the draft army, and married, a buddy from my unit told me that I had gained and lost a "queer rap" without knowing it. I got it for reading in the barracks and not lying about girls I didn't know. I lost it because I took up parachuting. (Apparently gays don't have gravity.)
You read books, therefore you're gay? :D
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:05:12pm |
re: #112 Decatur Deb
After I got out of the draft army, and married, a buddy from my unit told me that I had gained and lost a "queer rap" without knowing it. I got it for reading in the barracks and not lying about girls I didn't know. I lost it because I took up parachuting. (Apparently gays don't have gravity.)
There is no such thing as gravity. The earth just sucks.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:05:29pm |
re: #103 Cato the Elder
OK, OT:
Anyone want to help me with a Photoshop prank?
Backstory: I left Seattle on Thursday and accidentally took along my friend's favorite hat, which I borrowed while I was there because they had my winter cap at their house and never managed to return it in two weeks.
He's Type A++ and was upset. I told him we could do a hat exchange by mail when I got back to the east coast.
So now I want to do the following: Take picture of hat. Then photoshop it into a picture from every state I drove through (Washington, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Maryland).
Preferably something touristy and silly like his hat on top of Mount Rushmore.
My Photoshop skills are nonexistent.
Any takers?
P.S. It was a good think I "swiped" his hat. Half the time the temps were in the single digits at night.
You mean like Tourist Guy? that's so 2001.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:05:47pm |
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:05:53pm |
re: #116 darthstar
I got about ten minutes into that movie.....ack!!!
even the ex wife was agreeing to turn it off.
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:06:20pm |
re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist
TOTAL Spencer. "There's no such thing as a moderate Muslim. All Muslims have to believe the Koran literally, and they all interpret it just like I do!"
The god of Abraham, and all the associated texts do not imply that moderately practicing a religion will get you anywhere. It's pretty binary, you either go with the program, or go someplace bad when you die. It doesn't leave much wiggle room.
Being Christian, Muslim, or Jewish; and wanting to embrace enlightened principals in ethics requires you to think magically, and ignore the parts of your faith that don't work for you. It's a waste of time from either a theist or atheist perspective.
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brookly red Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:06:29pm |
re: #85 WindUpBird
I would say that it is primarily owned by the right, because it aligns with right wing political tribalism. Politically, it simply is, this is a checkable fact. This IS politics, it cannot be "politicized", it is actually politics itself. Advocating outlawing gay behavior is politics to FRC's adherents. Direct democracy to ban gay marriage in ballot initiatives as a way to drive turnout is politics.
73% of self-identified Republicans believe I am not fit to teach children. One party consistently and predictably kicks gays in this country, one party does not.
you would say it is primarily owned by the right because it is politically convenient for you to do so... so how in NYC the most liberal of places do so many anti gay attacks happen? What do you think we bus wingnuts in from Texas to take care of our gay problem? Your politics stink.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:06:48pm |
re: #119 WindUpBird
You read books, therefore you're gay? :D
Compounded it by using the subjunctive. You hadda be there.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:06:50pm |
re: #114 Cato the Elder
Bald is a hair color. Not playing baseball is a sport.
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:07:16pm |
re: #124 idioma
Its the Atheist way to oversimplify all other religions in order to get their rocks off on calling people stupid
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:07:25pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:07:32pm |
re: #109 political lunatic
At what point is it okay to say that this kind of social conservatism is evil? I bet he supported the Kill the Gays bill in Uganda too. Why do these guys insist on calling themselves Christians when they continue to ignore everything Christ taught?
I've called it evil since I was old enough to give a shit about politics, myself.
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:07:36pm |
re: #126 Decatur Deb
man, I gotta admit, I thought you were a chick >>
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:08:00pm |
re: #116 darthstar
I think I've seen that about a dozen times on HBO now...love the "Your Song" scene, especially...and Nicole Kidman...yowza!
I love that movie! Made Jimmah watch it with me. :)
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:08:14pm |
re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth
Bald is a hair color. Not playing baseball is a sport.
Not learning piano is a discipline.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:08:17pm |
re: #124 idioma
Your attacks on religion is wear very thin.
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:08:23pm |
re: #112 Decatur Deb
So. Funny. Gays don't have gravity. I'm saving that for my cousin. I think he will agree with you as he flies on unbridled enthusiasm most days.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:08:35pm |
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:08:38pm |
I want to see Peter Sprigg outlawed...is that unAmerican?
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:08:55pm |
re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth
Bald is a hair color. Not playing baseball is a sport.
Bats are scared. I call Jobu. I offer him Rum, and Cigar. He will come. He will make bats unafraid.
Are you trying to tell me that Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:09:00pm |
re: #97 keloyd
I don't intend to start a flame war, but I can think of some difficulties with this - to what degree should be the rules for fraternization?
Officers who cheat on their wives, or officers who sleep with married women have been subject to courts martial, iirc. How does that work with homosexuals? What about consensual hanky panky within a platoon? What about consensual behavior that can affect group cohesion? With young healthy men and women in the service, it is an enormous challenge delineating between allowable chatting a girl up and prohibited harassment. Some gays I have met are well adjusted, others fit into some ugly stereotypes, that Bobby Trendy sissy type behavior that would get them beaten to a jelly by the other recruits. What do we do about that?
/not against homosexuals serving
//wait-and-see attitude on how to actually do this
Rules should be the same for officers who cheat.
No hanky-panky unless it would be acceptable between personnel of the opposite sex.
Unlikely that flaming sissies will want to join the armed forces.
My recommendations.
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:09:02pm |
re: #135 NJDhockeyfan
Your attacks on religion is wear very thin.
Dealing with religious tools that want to enslave people is getting tired too.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:09:16pm |
re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth
Bald is a hair color. Not playing baseball is a sport.
Saying you do not know is not a religion as it professes no religious belief. Supporting or denying a creator is a religious belief. Therefore atheism is a religious view. QED.
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:09:22pm |
re: #124 idioma
"The Scriptures haven't changed, we just understand them better."
—John XXIII
"In the evening of this life, you will be judged on love."
—St. John of the Cross
Now I'm going to bed, we will see if you are still here in the morning.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:09:25pm |
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:09:27pm |
re: #137 Decatur Deb
Na, I didn't serve. I figured basic would be bad for everybody involved >>
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:09:39pm |
re: #125 brookly red
you would say it is primarily owned by the right because it is politically convenient for you to do so... so how in NYC the most liberal of places do so many anti gay attacks happen? What do you think we bus wingnuts in from Texas to take care of our gay problem? Your politics stink.
No, your reasoning does.
Bridge and Tunnel crowd much?
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Stanghazi Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:09:55pm |
re: #107 Dark_Falcon
The logic goes like this: Socons make up a large proportion of the military, and they are feel uncomfortable around homosexuals. Thus it is better for the sake of recruitment to keep gays out. This argument does make some sense, as it is more important to get the numbers of troops we need than to maintain correct social policies, but I still think its proponents miss the point. a better answer would be to make it clear to those interested in a military career that gays are not harmful to them. Education is the answer here.
My take (and McCain's before he folded) The whole soldier thing is to be in a situation where you obey your superiors. No "feelings" allowed. They can handle this.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:10:14pm |
Sprigg and his associates, creepy, just creepy.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:10:27pm |
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brookly red Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:10:29pm |
re: #125 brookly red
you would say it is primarily owned by the right because it is politically convenient for you to do so... so how in NYC the most liberal of places do so many anti gay attacks happen? What do you think we bus wingnuts in from Texas to take care of our gay problem? Your politics stink.
sorry weasel did I upset your world view?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:10:56pm |
re: #124 idioma
Then how do you explain Ludwig, who is one of the best minds here, and about as far from a magical thinker as one could possibly be. Argument FAIL again, Nodrog.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:10:58pm |
re: #109 political lunatic
At what point is it okay to say that this kind of social conservatism is evil? I bet he supported the Kill the Gays bill in Uganda too. Why do these guys insist on calling themselves Christians when they continue to ignore everything Christ taught?
Christ can't afford the lawsuit it would take to get his name off their operations, maybe?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:11:03pm |
re: #101 Silvergirl
used to showering?
Yeah, I'm having typo problems tonight. Been working hard on fixing up my house to sell. Spent the day digging up and transplanting bamboo. Maybe its the hard work.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:11:54pm |
re: #133 iceweasel
I love that movie! Made Jimmah watch it with me. :)
I think Nicole is a scene stealer..She was great in Australia..
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:12:08pm |
re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth
Self-definition is almost always self-serving :P
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:12:14pm |
re: #141 idioma
Dealing with religious tools that want to enslave people is getting tired too.
right, may you should consider taking a break fro LGF...do yourself a favor
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:12:32pm |
re: #142 LudwigVanQuixote
By that standard, you are an atheist yourself. As a famous atheist has been known to say, he is just one god more atheist than you.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:12:34pm |
re: #142 LudwigVanQuixote
Saying you do not know is not a religion as it professes no religious belief. Supporting or denying a creator is a religious belief. Therefore atheism is a religious view. QED.
Do you hear a bell, idioma? Because Ludwig just schooled your ass.
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KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:12:51pm |
re: #111 reine.de.tout
Well, and "sued to" for "used to".
You might as well bring out Killgore Trout Stinks and stick with it for the rest of the evening.
In my most humble opinion.
Good idea.
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brookly red Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:13:01pm |
re: #146 iceweasel
No, your reasoning does.
Bridge and Tunnel crowd much?
NYC is a leftist utopia how could such a thing happen... oh bridge & tunnel you mean from NJ another big blue state... gee that must be it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:13:02pm |
re: #125 brookly red
you would say it is primarily owned by the right because it is politically convenient for you to do so... so how in NYC the most liberal of places do so many anti gay attacks happen? What do you think we bus wingnuts in from Texas to take care of our gay problem? Your politics stink.
NYC is liberal, NYC also is a massive melting pot with a large quantity of immigrants. A large quanity of working class people who vote Democrat and are yet quite socially conservative. You are incorrectly assuming a monolithic cartoonishly painted liberal culture on behalf of New Yorkers. Which could not be further from the truth. Considering you say you LIVE THERE, I find it baffling as to why you'd say something like that.
I am talking about poliics and political parties, you're just misrepresenting NYC and making tortured correlations that make no sense.
Now, back to politics. Which was actually what I was talking about. Are you seriously, honestly going to tell me that Democrats gaybash to gain politial advantage as much as Republicans do?
Your intellectual understanding of American society stinks. ;-)
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:13:22pm |
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:13:28pm |
re: #154 HoosierHoops
I think Nicole is a scene stealer..She was great in Australia..
Nicole Kidman is great at any point on the planet. In a submarine. In Space. On the Moon....
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:13:40pm |
re: #139 SteveC
Bats are scared. I call Jobu. I offer him Rum, and Cigar. He will come. He will make bats unafraid.
Are you trying to tell me that Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
MAJOR LEAGUE!
I love that movie. :D
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:13:47pm |
re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist
That's the irony of these types. They're just as much a fundamentalist as who they're opposing. They're completely concrete and back and black and white in their thinking. Either you're fer us or agin us! Reason is a lost cause with these mentals.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:14:15pm |
re: #156 albusteve
right, may you should consider taking a break fro LGF...do yourself a favor
Indeed. LGF is a big tent, but neither Dominionists nor the Militant Godless will find much welcome here.
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:14:15pm |
re: #157 Slumbering Behemoth
Wait what?
...
Anyways we shoudln't be turning on each other, we should be slapping the douche.
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:14:26pm |
re: #158 Dark_Falcon
Do you hear a bell, idioma? Because Ludwig just schooled your ass.
"Rign da bell, sucka, school's in!" - That Great American Philosopher, MC Hammer
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:14:29pm |
re: #124 idioma
The god of Abraham, and all the associated texts do not imply that moderately practicing a religion will get you anywhere. It's pretty binary, you either go with the program, or go someplace bad when you die. It doesn't leave much wiggle room.
Being Christian, Muslim, or Jewish; and wanting to embrace enlightened principals in ethics requires you to think magically, and ignore the parts of your faith that don't work for you. It's a waste of time from either a theist or atheist perspective.
You clearly know very little about religion, dollink. Read some books, calm down, come back. You're assuming that all members of all Abrahamic faiths are psycho literalist fundamentalists like Mr. Sprigg, and that those who aren't have somehow lost the true path as defined by you. Neither of these things is true.
Seriously. Take a class or something.
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metrolibertarian Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:14:39pm |
The Family Research Council would be happier in Uganda or Malaysia (where a former Deputy Premier is facing 20 years for supposedly committing sodomy).
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:14:42pm |
re: #163 SteveC
Nicole Kidman is great at any point on the planet. In a submarine. In Space. On the Moon...
she is not great...downdung!
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:14:56pm |
re: #150 brookly red
sorry weasel did I upset your world view?
Not at all, brookly.
You appear to be upset at acknowledging that it's the right that has a problem with homophobia, and it's the extreme right that would like to make homophobia policy, or keep it that way.
Let's bear in mind that not all parts of NYC are 100% liberal, and that people come from Jersey and the boroughs to the West Village specifically to gay bash all the time.
The gaybashers aren't liberal Dems who live on Christopher Street. Sorry.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:15:03pm |
re: #111 reine.de.tout
Well, and "sued to" for "used to".
You might as well bring out Killgore Trout Stinks and stick with it for the rest of the evening.
In my most humble opinion.
Oh, I thought he said you could get sued for not wanting to share a shower with a gay person.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:15:04pm |
re: #129 idioma
What church do they go to?
Not even close to being a valid point. Plenty of religious people don't go to church.
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:15:24pm |
re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist
he's either trolling us all or he's seeking to boost his ego. Either way, it has nothing to do with actually studying religion or philosophy :p
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tradewind Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:15:30pm |
It's always fascinated me how some guys I know are tres uncomfortable when the subject of male homosexuality comes up, in whatever form... but they're totally down with any and all manifestations of lesbianism.
Women don't mirror that mindset.... what's up with that?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:15:37pm |
re: #150 brookly red
sorry weasel did I upset your world view?
Your tribalist, child-like understanding of politics is really quite breathtaking to behold.
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brookly red Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:15:40pm |
re: #161 WindUpBird
NYC is liberal, NYC also is a massive melting pot with a large quantity of immigrants. A large quanity of working class people who vote Democrat and are yet quite socially conservative. You are incorrectly assuming a monolithic cartoonishly painted liberal culture on behalf of New Yorkers. Which could not be further from the truth. Considering you say you LIVE THERE, I find it baffling as to why you'd say something like that.
I am talking about poliics and political parties, you're just misrepresenting NYC and making tortured correlations that make no sense.
Now, back to politics. Which was actually what I was talking about. Are you seriously, honestly going to tell me that Democrats gaybash to gain politial advantage as much as Republicans do?
Your intellectual understanding of American society stinks. ;-)
yeah I guess living in the melting pot has jaded me... without having any crackers to blame my problems on I can only call em as I see em.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:15:47pm |
re: #167 windsagio
I'm not turning on anyone, I am simply making an argument.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:15:54pm |
re: #125 brookly red
you would say it is primarily owned by the right because it is politically convenient for you to do so... so how in NYC the most liberal of places do so many anti gay attacks happen? What do you think we bus wingnuts in from Texas to take care of our gay problem? Your politics stink.
Big difference between some yobbo clobbering a gay man on the street, and a senior fellow of a 'religious' group saying gay behavior should be outlawed.
What is the blue-state equivalent of Sprigg?
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:16:15pm |
re: #171 albusteve
she is not great...downdung!
Clean your glasses!
If you don't use glasses, buy some and send me the bill! :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:16:25pm |
re: #127 Slumbering Behemoth
Bald is a hair color. Not playing baseball is a sport.
If you don't play baseball obsessively, though, what is that?
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:16:34pm |
re: #176 tradewind
well in fairness alot of women find male gay sex hot.
The best theory I've heard is that its becaues seeing 2 people you find attractive going at it is just better than seeing one.
Also, men are kinda trained to be freaked out by gays :p
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:16:41pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:16:54pm |
re: #178 brookly red
yeah I guess living in the melting pot has jaded me... without having any crackers to blame my problems on I can only call em as I see em.
Yeah, you just want to blame liberals.
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keloyd Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:17:09pm |
re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist
What makes someone a maladjusted homosexual?
I just quoted wikipedia on the Russian "well adjusted homosexual" thing, but my 2 guess are 1. keep out the "swishy bishounen clubkids waving around their martinis" as WindupBird put it, or 2. referring to an older mindset that sees male homosexuality correlating with other sexual problems - sexual immaturity, molesters, etc.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:17:12pm |
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:17:24pm |
re: #179 Slumbering Behemoth
but thats what he wants!!!
/actually I just wanted to be able to use the term slap the douche.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:17:33pm |
re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist
If you don't play baseball obsessively, though, what is that?
Super-sport? What if I don't grow hair obsessively?
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Stanghazi Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:17:38pm |
re: #159 Killgore Trout Stinks
wha? this is your alter ego?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:17:55pm |
re: #178 brookly red
yeah I guess living in the melting pot has jaded me... without having any crackers to blame my problems on I can only call em as I see em.
No, you merely call them. You don;t seem to see, understand or observe anything about actual social politics. There is no one monolithic liberal culture of NYC that all thinks alike, and it'd be great if you could actually acknowledge that point.
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:18:20pm |
re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist
If you don't play baseball obsessively, though, what is that?
scared of curveballs?
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brookly red Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:18:26pm |
re: #172 iceweasel
Not at all, brookly.
You appear to be upset at acknowledging that it's the right that has a problem with homophobia, and it's the extreme right that would like to make homophobia policy, or keep it that way.
Let's bear in mind that not all parts of NYC are 100% liberal, and that people come from Jersey and the boroughs to the West Village specifically to gay bash all the time.The gaybashers aren't liberal Dems who live on Christopher Street. Sorry.
yup and everyone of em is a card carrying republican... please who do you think your fooling.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:18:39pm |
the right, the left...old and does not apply anymore...to say the 'right' is homophobic is absurd...conversley to say the 'left' is socialistic is probably true, but broad brushes sweep away some elements of both sides that are good to have around the spectrum.... this all encompassing dictum does not work
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:18:54pm |
re: #176 tradewind
It's always fascinated me how some guys I know are tres uncomfortable when the subject of male homosexuality comes up, in whatever form... but they're totally down with any and all manifestations of lesbianism.
Women don't mirror that mindset... what's up with that?
Guys are horndogs. One woman: sexy. two women: sexier!
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:18:54pm |
re: #129 idioma
What church do they go to?
But since you ask, I have found that many atheists frequent the local Chapel of the Bad Haircut and subscribe to the Doctrine of Poor Personal Hygiene.
There. How do you like being judged on the basis of your personal (un)belief?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:18:54pm |
re: #192 WindUpBird
Ever heard of a band named "Kruger"?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:19:35pm |
re: #181 SteveC
Clean your glasses!
If you don't use glasses, buy some and send me the bill! :)
okay. I'll try it her again
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:19:54pm |
re: #194 brookly red
mostly they're the poor and uneducated, just like everywhere else... Outside of Republican Politics
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MandyManners Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:20:10pm |
re: #170 metrolibertarian
The Family Research Council would be happier in Uganda or Malaysia (where a former Deputy Premier is facing 20 years for supposedly committing sodomy).
Sprigg should move to Iran.
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:20:49pm |
re: #185 MandyManners
Oh go piss up a rope.
"SteveC back on WLGF radio, at what is quickly becoming a rough game at the Areana tonight. Hard check into the boards, and Mandy Manners drops the gloves! Here we go!"
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:21:00pm |
re: #185 MandyManners
Oh go piss up a rope.
Hi Mandy! Upding because pissing up a rope is not name calling. Plus, it tends to roll back down and get in the pisser's face.
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Stanghazi Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:21:02pm |
re: #176 tradewind
It's always fascinated me how some guys I know are tres uncomfortable when the subject of male homosexuality comes up, in whatever form... but they're totally down with any and all manifestations of lesbianism.
Women don't mirror that mindset... what's up with that?
f u c k e d u p
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KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:21:05pm |
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brookly red Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:21:12pm |
re: #186 iceweasel
Yeah, you just want to blame liberals.
where did I say that? you got caught in your stereotyping why not cut you losses.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:21:28pm |
re: #176 tradewind
It's always fascinated me how some guys I know are tres uncomfortable when the subject of male homosexuality comes up, in whatever form... but they're totally down with any and all manifestations of lesbianism.
Women don't mirror that mindset... what's up with that?
Well, some women do. Look at the Yaoi phenomenon in the States--that's a lot of straight women buying this stuff, including yours truly. I think gay men are hot.
What it is with straight guys and lesbians I do not know, but I can share with you my father's take on it: "Why wouldn't women want to sleep with women? Women are beautiful."
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:21:29pm |
re: #177 WindUpBird
Your tribalist, child-like understanding of politics is really quite breathtaking to behold.
your intellect is breathtaking...why are you even here with such epic talents to share?...go forth and rescue the donks or something worthwhile...
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:21:43pm |
re: #176 tradewind
Cause teh womens are hot no matter what! (it is a strange phenomena though)
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:21:46pm |
re: #194 brookly red
yup and everyone of em is a card carrying republican... please who do you think your fooling.
The post you're currently commenting on is about a republican. Unless you want to pretend the FRC votes Dem?
Then there's the thread downstairs about the R2K poll....
I guess the real question here is who do you think you're fooling, except yourself?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:21:58pm |
All those gay-bashing Democrats who got into national office by playing re: #195 albusteve
the right, the left...old and does not apply anymore...to say the 'right' is homophobic is absurd...conversley to say the 'left' is socialistic is probably true, but broad brushes sweep away some elements of both sides that are good to have around the spectrum... this all encompassing dictum does not work
I'm talking about politics. Which party uses gays as a wedge issue, demonizing them for political advantage? Which party's national social platform has been consistently against equal rights for gay people?
I guess facts are absurd, and yes I would like more tea, mister Dormouse.
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:22:11pm |
re: #196 WindUpBird
Guys are horndogs. One woman: sexy. two women: sexier!
Three women: Patient is in A-Fib, starting compressions!
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:22:11pm |
re: #159 Killgore Trout Stinks
Stink hates socks, especially stinky socks.
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What, me worry? Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:22:20pm |
re: #176 tradewind
It's always fascinated me how some guys I know are tres uncomfortable when the subject of male homosexuality comes up, in whatever form... but they're totally down with any and all manifestations of lesbianism.
Women don't mirror that mindset... what's up with that?
Women are like beauty and art, round and curvy.
Men are like jeeps, all the hair and lumps. Built to get around.
-channeling Elaine-
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:22:22pm |
re: #186 iceweasel
Yeah, you just want to blame liberals.
I don't think thats' actually quite right.
He just wants to pretend that liberals are just as bad.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:22:31pm |
re: #196 WindUpBird
Guys are horndogs. One woman: sexy. two women: sexier!
hahaha!....did you learn that at your trailer park?
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darthstar Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:22:34pm |
Okay folks...the wife had a long tough day at work, so I'm off to meet her at the Village Pub to treat her to a nice dinner on her way home.
Have a good evening.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:22:43pm |
re: #170 metrolibertarian
hey bud!going o.t....grrrr looks like another filler arc....a new movie come dec. but yes a new filler arc.(rumor is some will be about ichigo's dad...but still.)apparently tite kubo is still doing the big fight in the manga.i've been following it,don't know if you do so i won't give out any spoilers.
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keloyd Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:22:49pm |
It's always fascinated me how some guys I know are tres uncomfortable when the subject of male homosexuality comes up, in whatever form... but they're totally down with any and all manifestations of lesbianism.
Women don't mirror that mindset... what's up with that?
Easy, women look gooood. Men are built to do a job. We're form-follows-function.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:23:00pm |
re: #190 Slumbering Behemoth
Super-sport? What if I don't grow hair obsessively?
I think atheism is not having hair. But some people seem to object to anyone ELSE having hair.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:23:04pm |
re: #201 MandyManners
Sprigg should move to Iran.
Kneel down and rub his head until he gets carpet burns.
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brookly red Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:23:06pm |
re: #210 iceweasel
The post you're currently commenting on is about a republican. Unless you want to pretend the FRC votes Dem?
Then there's the thread downstairs about the R2K poll...I guess the real question here is who do you think you're fooling, except yourself?
no I just live here & I don't take well to outsiders agitating.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:23:21pm |
re: #206 brookly red
where did I say that? you got caught in your stereotyping why not cut you losses.
No, you got caught in your misdirection. Please do continue though. It's great!
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:23:35pm |
re: #203 prairiefire
Hi Mandy! Upding because pissing up a rope is not name calling. Plus, it tends to roll back down and get in the pisser's face.
What are you, Einstein?
*wink*
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:24:02pm |
re: #201 MandyManners
Sprigg should move to Iran.
He'd probably be happy with the gender and sexuality politics, but I suspect he's probably also a bit of a cultural bigot.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:24:06pm |
re: #208 albusteve
your intellect is breathtaking...why are you even here with such epic talents to share?...go forth and rescue the donks or something worthwhile...
Rescue the donks?
I can try, but I don't think i can get those rims off by myself.
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:24:24pm |
re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist
agnosticism is not having hair. Atheism is shaving your head and saying nobody else should have hair either :P
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:24:36pm |
re: #151 Dark_Falcon
Then how do you explain Ludwig, who is one of the best minds here, and about as far from a magical thinker as one could possibly be. Argument FAIL again, Nodrog.
Appeal to authority?
Lots of good doctors or muslim, want to convert?
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:24:37pm |
re: #217 darthstar
take care...have a cold one for me!
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KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:24:40pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:24:47pm |
re: #213 Alouette
Stink hates socks, especially stinky socks.
Charles has given Killgore special permission to maintain this sock puppet. Stinky Beaumont is aware of this sock.
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What, me worry? Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:24:54pm |
re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist
I think atheism is not having hair. But some people seem to object to anyone ELSE having hair.
Those atheists. They're a Hairless bunch.
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MandyManners Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:24:56pm |
re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist
He'd probably be happy with the gender and sexuality politics, but I suspect he's probably also a bit of a cultural bigot.
All the more reason to send him there--he'd be miserable.
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Stanghazi Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:25:07pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:25:08pm |
re: #223 brookly red
no I just live here & I don't take well to outsiders agitating.
An outsider?
Guess you really never did watch that wedding video, honey. I'm a native new yorker.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:25:09pm |
re: #227 WindUpBird
Rescue the donks?
[Link: img338.imageshack.us...]
I can try, but I don't think i can get those rims off by myself.
I don't look at your links...I just respond to your insufferable condescention
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:25:29pm |
re: #46 lawhawk
Outlawed? Unfrakking-believable.
I wonder what someone like Liz Cheney would say to such nonsensical blatherings that are so bloody ignorant and foolish.
I wonder what Cheney's gay daughter would say!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:26:13pm |
re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist
I think atheism is not having hair. But some people seem to object to anyone ELSE having hair.
I'm picking up what you're putting down. Atheists are just like every other demographic. Some do not believe, and choose to live and let live. Some do not believe, and choose to be dicks about it. Still does not make atheism a religion, no matter how badly some want to believe that it does.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:26:29pm |
re: #233 Dark_Falcon
Charles has given Killgore special permission to maintain this sock puppet. Stinky Beaumont is aware of this sock.
Killgore Trout Stinks is a house favorite...don't mess with it
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:26:47pm |
re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist
He'd probably be happy with the gender and sexuality politics, but I suspect he's probably also a bit of a cultural bigot.
Also, the Iranians allow sex change operations. I bet he's not OK with that, either.
It's a bad day when you find you're less socially liberal than the freaking mullahs.
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:26:48pm |
Not that there's anything wrong with it!///
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brookly red Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:27:00pm |
re: #224 iceweasel
No, you got caught in your misdirection. Please do continue though. It's great!
no my job is done, your prejudice & stereotyping is out there for all to see, I can move on now.
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:27:00pm |
re: #238 albusteve
*sigh*
Hi-Risers are a type of highly customized automobile, typically an inexpensive American-built sedan modified by significantly increasing the ground clearance and adding large-diameter wheels with low-profile tires. Depending on the model and build year, autos customized in this manner can be labeled "donk," "box," or "bubble."
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:27:04pm |
re: #230 idioma
Yes, lots of good doctors are Christians or Muslims. I happen to have known some of them. Take your anti-faith blindness back to democraticunderground.com.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:27:24pm |
re: #237 iceweasel
An outsider?
Guess you really never did watch that wedding video, honey. I'm a native new yorker.
OWNED
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:27:26pm |
ahhh i missed the stinky trout....now if only he'd bring back the space pope!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:27:55pm |
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:27:57pm |
re: #249 Slumbering Behemoth
I like you, maybe we shouldn't go on about this.
If you wanna keep it up let me know, and we can roll our sleeves up ;)
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:28:03pm |
re: #246 brookly red
no my job is done, your prejudice & stereotyping is out there for all to see, I can move on now.
Yes, you just got caught calling a native new yorker an 'outside agitator'. HA!
I'd say we're done.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:28:11pm |
re: #230 idioma
Appeal to authority?
Lots of good doctors or muslim, want to convert?
That took me a second to sort out.
I don't want to convert because I have a religion that suits me fine. But yes, lots of good doctors and lots of other very smart people are Muslim. You think this surprises anyone here?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:28:24pm |
re: #247 windsagio
*sigh*
Hi-Risers are a type of highly customized automobile, typically an inexpensive American-built sedan modified by significantly increasing the ground clearance and adding large-diameter wheels with low-profile tires. Depending on the model and build year, autos customized in this manner can be labeled "donk," "box," or "bubble."
They see me rolling!
They're hating!
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:28:27pm |
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:28:35pm |
As I grow older and older,
And totter toward the tomb,
I find that I care less and less,
Who goes to bed with whom.
-- Dorothy L. Sayers
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KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:28:42pm |
re: #236 Stanley Sea
Are you mocking my fish hat? I kill you!
/
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tradewind Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:28:46pm |
re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist
I think they make, (generalizing, sorry ) great neighbors, friends, and the best shopping buddies evah but teh sexy kind of eludes me. Maybe it's a protective mechanism to prevent insecurity when they don't hit on you.///
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:29:00pm |
re: #239 jamesfirecat
I wonder what Cheney's gay daughter would say!
My theory is "Go fuck yourself," but that's just based on family tradition.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:29:07pm |
re: #253 windsagio
I think you're wrong, you think you're right. Nothing to roll up our sleeves over.
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KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:29:26pm |
re: #251 Boondock St. Bender
Ah, thanks for the reminder. I should do that one of these days.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:29:29pm |
re: #254 iceweasel
yeah!most new yorkers are just plain agitating!
(jersey boy dives for cover!)
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:29:29pm |
re: #247 windsagio
*sigh*
Hi-Risers are a type of highly customized automobile, typically an inexpensive American-built sedan modified by significantly increasing the ground clearance and adding large-diameter wheels with low-profile tires. Depending on the model and build year, autos customized in this manner can be labeled "donk," "box," or "bubble."
I scroll by you, save your ink
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:29:43pm |
re: #176 tradewind
It's always fascinated me how some guys I know are tres uncomfortable when the subject of male homosexuality comes up, in whatever form... but they're totally down with any and all manifestations of lesbianism.
Women don't mirror that mindset... what's up with that?
Here's one way of thinking about it. Consider our evolutionary past : early man comes across habitation with two frolicking, already aroused females and no men present...thats 2X the normal reproductive opportunity.
Woman comes across two frolicking men - this represents no improved reproductive opportunity for her. She can only get pregnant once.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:29:44pm |
re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm picking up what you're putting down. Atheists are just like every other demographic. Some do not believe, and choose to live and let live. Some do not believe, and choose to be dicks about it. Still does not make atheism a religion, no matter how badly some want to believe that it does.
I would lean on the side of athiesm NOT being a religion, but that athiests ARE dogmatic about their lack of religion. :D
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:29:58pm |
re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm picking up what you're putting down. Atheists are just like every other demographic. Some do not believe, and choose to live and let live. Some do not believe, and choose to be dicks about it. Still does not make atheism a religion, no matter how badly some want to believe that it does.
It's not a religion. But it can inspire the same passion as anything else that convinces its believers they're on to THE TRUTH.
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What, me worry? Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:30:00pm |
re: #241 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm picking up what you're putting down. Atheists are just like every other demographic. Some do not believe, and choose to live and let live. Some do not believe, and choose to be dicks about it. Still does not make atheism a religion, no matter how badly some want to believe that it does.
Well when ya figure that Christians, Jews and Muslims can be dicks about their religion, atheists can, too! What, they're so special?
*The way in which some atheists go about professing their disbelief in a higher power kinda smacks of religious zealousness.
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idioma Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:30:03pm |
re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist
That took me a second to sort out.
I don't want to convert because I have a religion that suits me fine. But yes, lots of good doctors and lots of other very smart people are Muslim. You think this surprises anyone here?
Do you think that the world is better because of islam? That's a typical argument.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:30:13pm |
re: #237 iceweasel
An outsider?
Guess you really never did watch that wedding video, honey. I'm a native new yorker.
As I can confirm :)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:30:26pm |
re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist
My theory is "Go fuck yourself," but that's just based on family tradition.
Preferably after hurling a keg of Coors into the guy's solar plexus.
(she still works for Coors, right?)
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:30:38pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:30:59pm |
re: #268 WindUpBird
I would lean on the side of athiesm NOT being a religion, but that athiests ARE dogmatic about their lack of religion. :D
Some are. We have atheists right here in this thread who are not at all dogmatic about their non-belief.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:31:16pm |
re: #271 idioma
Do you think that the world is better because of islam? That's a typical argument.
YES
it's called the number zero.
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:31:38pm |
re: #273 WindUpBird
Preferably after hurling a keg of Coors into the guy's solar plexus.
Whoa, now. Let's not go wasting the adult beverages!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:31:48pm |
re: #275 Slumbering Behemoth
Some are. We have atheists right here in this thread who are not at all dogmatic about their non-belief.
yes, i meant to make that distinction. Soft athiests versus the flailing dogmatic kind.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:31:59pm |
re: #261 tradewind
I think they make, (generalizing, sorry ) great neighbors, friends, and the best shopping buddies evah but teh sexy kind of eludes me. Maybe it's a protective mechanism to prevent insecurity when they don't hit on you.///
I once picked a nice Jewish boy out of a crowd at, I'm not kidding, a Tu B'Shevat seder, and hit on him like a ton of bricks. Found out that he was a. Catholic, b. gay, and c. taken.
I sure can pick 'em.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:32:12pm |
re: #277 SteveC
Whoa, now. Let's not go wasting the adult beverages!
It'll hold! Those things are sturdy!
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:32:39pm |
re: #253 windsagio
Forgot to tell you--hit my avatar and all will be made clear.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:32:45pm |
re: #270 marjoriemoon
Key word being some. Still doesn't make atheism a religion.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:32:47pm |
re: #271 idioma
Do you think that the world is better because of islam? That's a typical argument.
That sentence is worthy of coldwarrior (of the stalker blog) or Robert Spencer. You're registering on the meter, too:
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:32:55pm |
By the way, I am crazier than I ever imagined.
I originally reckoned my coast-to-coast drive time at five days and a few hours.
But that's because I can't do math. Thinking about it, I realized you don't count calendar days, you count elapsed time. So I was reckoning "from Thursday through Monday = five days".
In fact, when you start a stopwatch, you don't count the zero minute, you count actual time.
Thus: I started on Thursday morning at 11. So Friday 24 hours later would be the first day. That means Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Deducting the three hours I lost to time zone changes, I made it back to Baltimore in four days and 2.5 hours.
Somebody stop me before I try to beat my personal best.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:33:03pm |
re: #271 idioma
Do you think that the world is better because of islam? That's a typical argument.
kind of an elementary question...anyway the world is doing okay with it's diversity, not that humans have had a choice in the matter...Islam is harmless, Islamofascist are not...you knew that tho
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:33:05pm |
re: #157 Slumbering Behemoth
By that standard, you are an atheist yourself. As a famous atheist has been known to say, he is just one god more atheist than you.
No not at all. By that standard I am also religious.
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:33:23pm |
re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist
I once picked a nice Jewish boy out of a crowd at, I'm not kidding, a Tu B'Shevat seder, and hit on him like a ton of bricks. Found out that he was a. Catholic, b. gay, and c. taken.
I sure can pick 'em.
Don't swing at the same pitch three times!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:33:25pm |
re: #153 Killgore Trout
KEEP WORKING!
It will be worth it, once the sale goes through!
Hang in there, KT!
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tradewind Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:33:28pm |
re: #239 jamesfirecat
Most likely ' STFU and leave me alone.... whatever makes you think that my... or anyone else's.... sexuality is fodder for your discussion is beyond lame'.
/dusts hands/
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:33:38pm |
re: #277 SteveC
aw c'mon you can wallop the tar out of someone with a keg and not do any harm to the tasty beverage within!
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:33:42pm |
re: #282 Decatur Deb
lol, awesome. I got it tho, your other post made it clear :)
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:33:56pm |
re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist
She's her father's daughter. I think we know what he would say.
You try to touch my gay daughter I'll blow your face off with my shotgun?
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Obdicut Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:33:57pm |
re: #275 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm an atheist. I know what it means for me. I have no desire to convince anyone else of any specific belief. I do have a desire to do what I can to promote rationality and skepticisim, and I believe that those lead to atheism, but it's not in order to spread atheism that I want to spread those.
I'm a big fan of this guy:
He was an Anglican priest for a long time. He's an atheist. He believes in a non-real god, or rather, a 'god as real as love'.
He makes a wonderful argument for a religious approach to life, and that the debate over whether or not god 'physically' exists is unimportant, as long as everyone is certain they cannot really know god's intentions concretely.
And yeah, Idioma is a boring troll.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:34:22pm |
re: #285 Cato the Elder
By the way, I am crazier than I ever imagined.
I originally reckoned my coast-to-coast drive time at five days and a few hours.
But that's because I can't do math. Thinking about it, I realized you don't count calendar days, you count elapsed time. So I was reckoning "from Thursday through Monday = five days".
In fact, when you start a stopwatch, you don't count the zero minute, you count actual time.
Thus: I started on Thursday morning at 11. So Friday 24 hours later would be the first day. That means Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Deducting the three hours I lost to time zone changes, I made it back to Baltimore in four days and 2.5 hours.
Somebody stop me before I try to beat my personal best.
Careful, we're dangerously close to starting the LGF Gumball Rally!
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:34:44pm |
I don't think I can take another evening of idiot idioma.
good night, see you all tomorrow, I hope!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:34:52pm |
re: #197 Cato the Elder
But since you ask, I have found that many atheists frequent the local Chapel of the Bad Haircut and subscribe to the Doctrine of Poor Personal Hygiene.
There. How do you like being judged on the basis of your personal (un)belief?
I see them on Monday nights when I play cribbage. I think they worship at the altar of Magic:The Gathering...
/
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tradewind Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:34:54pm |
re: #267 Jimmah
Not so fast.... she could improve the gene pool by having sex with both of them and giving birth to separately fathered twins.
It happens. Sometimes, with startling results.
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What, me worry? Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:34:59pm |
re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist
I once picked a nice Jewish boy out of a crowd at, I'm not kidding, a Tu B'Shevat seder, and hit on him like a ton of bricks. Found out that he was a. Catholic, b. gay, and c. taken.
I sure can pick 'em.
My version of hot is more Tony Soprano-like. Big and burly. I would stink as a gay man.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:35:11pm |
re: #268 WindUpBird
I would lean on the side of athiesm NOT being a religion, but that athiests ARE dogmatic about their lack of religion. :D
I'm an atheist and am not 'dogmatic' about anything.
;)
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:35:14pm |
re: #265 Boondock St. Bender
yeah!most new yorkers are just plain agitating!
(jersey boy dives for cover!)
I visited New York a couple of times over the years, and will again next year, for a nephew's graduation. The sheer visceral rush of simply walking down a Manhattan street was amazing to a small town boy like me. I could tell that I would have become ulcerous within a year, had I tried to live there.
By contrast, it's often easy to spot the recently transplanted New Yorkers here in the Atlanta 'burbs. Until they decompress to the slower pace of life here, they have the manner of an over-caffeinated chihuahua, by comparison.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:35:17pm |
re: #285 Cato the Elder
By the way, I am crazier than I ever imagined.
I originally reckoned my coast-to-coast drive time at five days and a few hours.
But that's because I can't do math. Thinking about it, I realized you don't count calendar days, you count elapsed time. So I was reckoning "from Thursday through Monday = five days".
In fact, when you start a stopwatch, you don't count the zero minute, you count actual time.
Thus: I started on Thursday morning at 11. So Friday 24 hours later would be the first day. That means Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Deducting the three hours I lost to time zone changes, I made it back to Baltimore in four days and 2.5 hours.
Somebody stop me before I try to beat my personal best.
get your lazy ass out of bed and hit the pavement sooner...I'm always out before sunup...sunrises are special on the road, remind you what a long haul you have
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:35:43pm |
re: #271 idioma
Do you think that the world is better because of islam? That's a typical argument.
I have no idea if the world is 'better' because of Islam. I don't know what would be if it were not. I also have no say about whether it stays or goes. (Now, what if Mithraism had rised in place of Christianity?)
I know individual people who make the world better who are Muslims. That's good enough for me to respect their faith and appreciate it.
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Soap_Man Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:35:51pm |
OT: Is Illinois the only state with primaries today?
Either way, I'm having a beer and loving this shit. It's like my Super Bowl.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:35:54pm |
re: #300 Varek Raith
I'm an atheist and am not 'dogmatic' about anything.
;)
I know I know, I should have clarified. ^^;
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What, me worry? Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:36:11pm |
re: #283 Slumbering Behemoth
Key word being some. Still doesn't make atheism a religion.
Is it so different than secular Christians, Jews or Muslims who identify with their religion, but don't really practice it? Maybe one could say there's secular atheists.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:36:16pm |
re: #273 WindUpBird
Preferably after hurling a keg of Coors into the guy's solar plexus.
(she still works for Coors, right?)
I think so, but don't know.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:36:37pm |
re: #275 Slumbering Behemoth
Some are. We have atheists right here in this thread who are not at all dogmatic about their non-belief.
Moderate atheists, so to speak.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:36:41pm |
re: #294 Obdicut
I'm an atheist. I know what it means for me. I have no desire to convince anyone else of any specific belief. I do have a desire to do what I can to promote rationality and skepticisim, and I believe that those lead to atheism, but it's not in order to spread atheism that I want to spread those.
I'm a big fan of this guy:
He was an Anglican priest for a long time. He's an atheist. He believes in a non-real god, or rather, a 'god as real as love'.
He makes a wonderful argument for a religious approach to life, and that the debate over whether or not god 'physically' exists is unimportant, as long as everyone is certain they cannot really know god's intentions concretely.
And yeah, Idioma is a boring troll.
she wouldn't post any Pat Condell, even as a favor...downdingus
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:36:43pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:36:48pm |
re: #299 marjoriemoon
Big, burly, hairy gay guys are called 'bears', and form one of the largest subgroups. Except most have facial hair. You want a shaved bear.
Just in case you wake up a gay man some day.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:36:52pm |
re: #265 Boondock St. Bender
yeah!most new yorkers are just plain agitating!
(jersey boy dives for cover!)
No, they just suffer from too much agità.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:37:07pm |
re: #277 SteveC
Whoa, now. Let's not go wasting the adult beverages!
You can still drink the keg. You just have to wipe it off.
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:37:08pm |
re: #300 Varek Raith
Question I wanna ask you since you're very chill :p
Why is the statement
Atheism is NOT a religion
so damn important?
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:37:20pm |
Good gravy, I'm now listening to this tool on Hardball...Damn, what a kook!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:37:33pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:37:51pm |
re: #259 The Sanity Inspector
Upding for the Dorothy L. Sayers quote!
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:38:07pm |
re: #314 windsagio
Question I wanna ask you since you're very chill :p
Why is the statement
so damn important?
Important to atheists or non atheists?
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:38:08pm |
re: #296 reine.de.tout
Hey RDT I was thinking like that and decided scrolling trumps Idioma Trolling. I'm in for the duration of 1 more brew. Join me?
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:38:12pm |
re: #302 albusteve
get your lazy ass out of bed and hit the pavement sooner...I'm always out before sunup...sunrises are special on the road, remind you what a long haul you have
Mary Lou Retton used to go outside before dawn on the day of a big competition and watch the sun come up, just to get away from everyone and get her head on straight.
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What, me worry? Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:38:26pm |
re: #311 Obdicut
Big, burly, hairy gay guys are called 'bears', and form one of the largest subgroups. Except most have facial hair. You want a shaved bear.
Just in case you wake up a gay man some day.
... making notes .....
Thanks!!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:38:33pm |
re: #279 windsagio
is that a 'yes' or a 'no'?
It's a "not really". Atheists, like anyone, can be dicks about their opinion. Doesn't make it a religion.
People can be dicks about anything. I like Chevys, not Fords. I have been known to talk shit. Does that mean I worship GM? Is my preference in cars a religion because I can sometimes be an opinionated asshole about it?
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:38:40pm |
re: #272 Jimmah
As I can confirm :)
Of course. So could Charles for that matter. Why did the wingnuts never get away with accusing me of being someone who wasn't American? He's got my IP and my ID. He could vouch for my locale and who I am.
I must say it's been a lot of fun when certain 'new yorkers' and posters here have demanded my birth certificate, but my favourite moment of all time is going to be being called an "outside agitator" by someone who doesn't even live in manhattan, apparently.
Favourited!
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:38:42pm |
re: #276 WindUpBird
Nice! Religious belief, just as irreligious belief, has contributed both positive and negative influences on world history. This proves nothing of course, unless you're intellectually dishonest and only willing to consider the record that supports your own presupposed view. The issue is what ideas attached to religious belief, as well as secular beliefs, have contributed to human flourishing, and which ideas have contributed to the opposite? As people of faith or otherwise, we must all seek a way to find a common path that makes "this world" that we currently share, a better place. Even if we have fundamentally different views of ultimate reality. How we engage our current environment says more about us than about any supposed faith or reason we claim to espouse.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:38:50pm |
re: #293 jamesfirecat
You try to touch my gay daughter I'll blow your face off with my shotgun?
I don't know if he'd waste that many syllables.
One fun thing about this thread--it's making me feel warmly toward Dick Cheney, which is kind of something.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:38:54pm |
re: #271 idioma
Do you think that the world is better because of islam? That's a typical argument.
I used to live downstairs from a young Fruit Of Islam cadre. I don't have much good to say about the Nation Of Islam, don't even consider them to be "real" Muslims. However, his beginnings were a wreck: no father, drug-addicted mother, brother locked up, barely scraping by in the service sector of the economy. I had to admit that NOI had given his life shape and purpose that might otherwise have been lacking, to disastrous effect.
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:38:56pm |
re: #318 Varek Raith
Either one you choose. But I think I know why its important to theists, I want the other side ;)
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andres Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:39:00pm |
re: #81 brucee
In his profile he admits he's here to troll and you guys still feed him?!
I don't normally check the profile of the person I'm about to reply to. But I did an exception for you. =P
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:39:55pm |
re: #298 tradewind
Not so fast... she could improve the gene pool by having sex with both of them and giving birth to separately fathered twins.
It happens. Sometimes, with startling results.
Also, if you have sex with both men, the parentage of the child is unclear, which means they may both feel a stake in protecting and feeding the kid. Raises your calorie count.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:40:16pm |
re: #320 SteveC
Mary Lou Retton used to go outside before dawn on the day of a big competition and watch the sun come up, just to get away from everyone and get her head on straight.
I should have qualified my post...NM sunrises are to die for...utterly mind boggling...but Mary Lou must know her stuff too, good for her
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:40:17pm |
re: #287 LudwigVanQuixote
No not at all. By that standard I am also religious.
Do you believe that the gods of all religions truly exist, or just the god of your religion?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:40:28pm |
re: #285 Cato the Elder
No, but I WILL warn you about the price of a speeding ticket, in these DIRE municipal budget days....
81 in a 65 zone is $485 in California. PLUS another $120 if you want to do traffic school, which costs an additional $250 to take.
I WISH I WAS KIDDING.
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:40:36pm |
re: #331 SanFranciscoZionist
having sex with a woman you know has 'been around' also increases your sperm count.
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:40:41pm |
re: #285 Cato the Elder
It's scary how much I identify with what you just said!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:40:43pm |
re: #304 Soap_Man
OT: Is Illinois the only state with primaries today?
Either way, I'm having a beer and loving this shit. It's like my Super Bowl.
It looks like Kird Dillard is going to win the GOP nod for Gov. What do you know about him?
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The Shadow Do Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:41:07pm |
My all time favorite banning was a certain poster who caught the stick for being just plain, well, serially stupid. Got to work some for a distinction like that. Could happen again I suppose.
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:41:08pm |
re: #330 Racer X
I love how we have named all the geographical areas. The Martians are not going to know what we are talking about.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:41:17pm |
re: #299 marjoriemoon
My version of hot is more Tony Soprano-like. Big and burly. I would stink as a gay man.
There are gay men who are into big and burly....
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:41:24pm |
re: #328 windsagio
Either one you choose. But I think I know why its important to theists, I want the other side ;)
Oh, in that case, calling atheism a 'religion' is using the word 'religion' wrong.
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites.
8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
—Idiom
9. get religion, Informal.
a. to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
b. to resolve to mend one's errant ways: The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.
I don't see how any of the above applies to 'atheism'.
At least, that's my opinion.
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keloyd Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:41:38pm |
re: #315 Varek Raith
Chris Matthews is good at his job ending the interview with that outlaw-the-homosexuals question. He had to have read that in their magazine or websites or whatever.
That nut right there is why we should all like Pat Buchanan. He doesn't try to whitewash what he thinks ever. Ol Pat likes Franco and blood and soil ethnic identity conservatism and never tries to spin anything ever. What you see is what you get.
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:42:01pm |
re: #335 windsagio
having sex with a woman you know has 'been around' also increases your sperm count.
Or your syph count.
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Racer X Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:42:16pm |
re: #334 Floral Giraffe
No, but I WILL warn you about the price of a speeding ticket, in these DIRE municipal budget days...
81 in a 65 zone is $485 in California. PLUS another $120 if you want to do traffic school, which costs an additional $250 to take.
I WISH I WAS KIDDING.
Holy Carp!
That sucks.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:42:36pm |
re: #323 Slumbering Behemoth
Some use differences to find hate, or contempt or even excuses for violence. Humanity, a breed apart from the previously mentioned has a different approach.
it's what separates humans from Trolls. What do you do with the differences between us?
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:42:48pm |
re: #324 iceweasel
C.A.T.O. to I.C.E., eyes only, priority: STAT.
I see your subroutines are functioning again.
Pls call at once. S.O.R.O.S. is very excited about this new plot and says he can't get through to you. And if you and I don't confer soon, they're going to kill my dog!
You know the number.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:43:06pm |
re: #337 Dark_Falcon
It looks like Kirk Dillard is going to win the GOP nod for Gov. What do you know about him?
PIMF
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What, me worry? Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:43:18pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:43:23pm |
re: #311 Obdicut
Big, burly, hairy gay guys are called 'bears', and form one of the largest subgroups. Except most have facial hair. You want a shaved bear.
Just in case you wake up a gay man some day.
Now me, I'm shopping for a twunk. (That's a twink over thirty, if you were wondering.)
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:43:45pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:44:17pm |
re: #346 Rightwingconspirator
What do you do with the differences between us?
Settle them with a round of Texas Hold 'Em.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:44:21pm |
re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know if he'd waste that many syllables.
One fun thing about this thread--it's making me feel warmly toward Dick Cheney, which is kind of something.
Well it's always nice to see Dick Cheney acting like a liberal due to not wanting to sell out his own family, it's the sheer oddity of the event that makes it so funny!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:44:25pm |
re: #300 Varek Raith
I'm catmatic about these things. Knock it around a few times from a safe distance at first to make sure it's dead. Then decide whether to eat it or drag it home for the staff to dispose of...
:)
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:44:27pm |
re: #347 Cato the Elder
C.A.T.O. to I.C.E., eyes only, priority: STAT.
I see your subroutines are functioning again.
Pls call at once. S.O.R.O.S. is very excited about this new plot and says he can't get through to you. And if you and I don't confer soon, they're going to kill my dog!
You know the number.
On my way, C.A.T.O- bot!
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jaunte Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:44:29pm |
re: #352 iceweasel
Have to watch that Sassenach spelling, now.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:44:36pm |
re: #331 SanFranciscoZionist
Also, if you have sex with both men, the parentage of the child is unclear, which means they may both feel a stake in protecting and feeding the kid. Raises your calorie count.
Maybe not. My Phys Anthro prof said: Male primates like babies, females like their baby.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:44:41pm |
re: #351 SanFranciscoZionist
this thread is going in some weird directions....lol
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:45:05pm |
re: #339 The Shadow Do
My all time favorite banning was a certain poster who caught the stick for being just plain, well, serially stupid. Got to work some for a distinction like that. Could happen again I suppose.
You're referring to Cognito, I presume. That man's foolishness knew know bounds (though I was one of his defenders until his final screw-up).
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:45:11pm |
concerning the Dick....
that guy he shot oughta have his firearms taken from him and fined...you simply do not put yourself in the other guys line of fire...it was Cheneys shot, Dumb Ass moved to the right and foreward, right into Dicks line of fire...shit happens...just lucky it was not buckshot...Target Man fucked up and he knew it
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:45:11pm |
re: #298 tradewind
Not so fast... she could improve the gene pool by having sex with both of them and giving birth to separately fathered twins.
It happens. Sometimes, with startling results.
It doesn't make sense for women, who have to invest so much in a pregnancy, to have sex with just any man they come across, and random group sex seems like a particularly poor strategy for any but the most desperately mate-starved female. That's why throughout the animal kingdom, it is generally the case that males need to jump through hoops to get to mate with a female. For males though, as we know, reproduction potentially involves no investment whatsoever beyond the energy used in the act itself. Hence the reproductive logic for males of 'sowing ones wild oats'.
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:45:24pm |
re: #342 Varek Raith
Not quite my question; that's whether its accurate not why its important ;)
but ehh, screw it, the troll left anyways :p
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:45:31pm |
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:45:40pm |
re: #325 Irenicum
Thank you for that post.
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Obdicut Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:45:55pm |
re: #359 Boondock St. Bender
Oh good, then this won't be out of place:
It's Danish rap-funk-circus music.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:46:11pm |
re: #363 windsagio
Not quite my question; that's whether its accurate not why its important ;)
but ehh, screw it, the troll left anyways :p
D'oheth! Misread your post there.
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:46:29pm |
re: #347 Cato the Elder
C.A.T.O. to I.C.E., eyes only, priority: STAT.
I see your subroutines are functioning again.
Pls call at once. S.O.R.O.S. is very excited about this new plot and says he can't get through to you. And if you and I don't confer soon, they're going to kill my dog!
You know the number.
The dog is a Mossad assassin. He's to be for terminated with extreme prejudice. Tie him up and make him watch reruns of My Mother the Car.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:47:03pm |
re: #345 Racer X
And, the lovely CHP was kind enough to take 10 minutes to lecture me.
Said " I was the nicest person he'd write a ticket to, today". I asked if he could drop the speed down to the next penalty level. "oh no, we're using the radar as evidence". Lying fucker for writing me a ticket I've deserved 250 times before getting it :)
Glad to get a ticket & not wreck out.
Still, expensive.
Better than a crash.
And, you don't think this is TAXATION!
LOL!
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:47:05pm |
re: #324 iceweasel
Of course. So could Charles for that matter. Why did the wingnuts never get away with accusing me of being someone who wasn't American? He's got my IP and my ID. He could vouch for my locale and who I am.
I must say it's been a lot of fun when certain 'new yorkers' and posters here have demanded my birth certificate, but my favourite moment of all time is going to be being called an "outside agitator" by someone who doesn't even live in manhattan, apparently.
Favourited!
[Video]
Heh. Yes, Brooklyn - I believe you can see that place from New York, on a clear day, if you are standing in the right place.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:47:10pm |
re: #364 Varek Raith
NTTATWWT.>>>>do i really want to know? lol
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:47:18pm |
re: #331 SanFranciscoZionist
Also, if you have sex with both men, the parentage of the child is unclear, which means they may both feel a stake in protecting and feeding the kid. Raises your calorie count.
Or both men assume that the baby is the others and she gets nothing.
The reason for all the hang ups on virginity in almost every tradition is the simple fact that until the modern age, you could never be completely sure who the dad was.
From a biological perspective the man does not want to waste his energies bringing up another man's baby. That humans overcome this through adoption is a blessing, but it is not always the case.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:47:27pm |
re: #361 albusteve
concerning the Dick...
that guy he shot oughta have his firearms taken from him and fined...you simply do not put yourself in the other guys line of fire...it was Cheneys shot, Dumb Ass moved to the right and foreward, right into Dicks line of fire...shit happens...just lucky it was not buckshot...Target Man fucked up and he knew it
That must explain why he apologized to the man who shot him in the face....
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:47:32pm |
re: #358 Decatur Deb
Maybe not. My Phys Anthro prof said: Male primates like babies, females like their baby.
And airline passengers say, children are like feet: they all stink except your own.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:47:49pm |
re: #372 Boondock St. Bender
NTTATWWT.>>>do i really want to know? lol
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
;)
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:48:09pm |
re: #359 Boondock St. Bender
this thread is going in some weird directions...lol
yeah...all these sexperts...3 to 1 non of them have the slightest clue what they are talking about, other than what they picked up off a porn sight or some roadhouse gossip...make that 4 to !
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:48:12pm |
re: #368 SteveC
The dog is a Mossad assassin. He's to be for terminated with extreme prejudice. Tie him up and make him watch reruns of My Mother the Car.
It's worse than that: THE DOG EATED ICEWEASEL'S NEW YORK NIRTH CERTIFIKAT!!111
//
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:48:14pm |
re: #373 LudwigVanQuixote
just look at the stats for abuse.
Its way higher for stepchildren,
and meaningfully higher with adopted children.
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What, me worry? Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:48:26pm |
re: #351 SanFranciscoZionist
Now me, I'm shopping for a twunk. (That's a twink over thirty, if you were wondering.)
Actually 30% of my neighborhood has Teh Ghey. 3 couples on my block if fact! While the majority don't carry around a 6 pack, they're in pretty good shape.
In fact, when the neighborhood starting "turning", the property values went up. They like landscaping, painting and fixing stuff. They are guys after all. It's a win-win.
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:49:41pm |
re: #377 albusteve
I dunno, I thought this crowd would get around a lot, what with the amazing sexual magnetism and charisma >>
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:49:53pm |
re: #379 windsagio
just look at the stats for abuse.
Its way higher for stepchildren,
and meaningfully higher with adopted children.
And the Brothers Grimm.
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:50:12pm |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
It's worse than that: THE DOG EATED ICEWEASEL'S NEW YORK NIRTH CERTIFIKAT!!111
//
Mission scrubbed. All parties disperse. Plan C.
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:50:12pm |
Wow. A fun night. Work beckons in the early morn. Didn't really expect this thread, but hey, glad to defend what I believe in a believable way. I hope I did. G'nite y'all!
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:50:22pm |
re: #360 Dark_Falcon
You're referring to Cognito, I presume. That man's foolishness knew know bounds (though I was one of his defenders until his final screw-up).
I always liked Cognito and defended him...one day he turned on me for no reason at all...after that I beat the shit out him as much as Charles would allow...much like a couple of people hanging out now...they just flip for no apparent reason
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:50:49pm |
re: #354 jamesfirecat
Well it's always nice to see Dick Cheney acting like a liberal due to not wanting to sell out his own family, it's the sheer oddity of the event that makes it so funny!
Never thought Cheney was much of a socon.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:50:55pm |
re: #360 Dark_Falcon
You're referring to Cognito, I presume. That man's foolishness knew know bounds (though I was one of his defenders until his final screw-up).
No, don't remeber the nickname. It was the only time I have seen a poster banned for stupid. It was really funny. I just sense a similar presence taking shape.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:51:06pm |
re: #383 Decatur Deb
And the Brothers Grimm.
On that Grimm note, I must leave and get some sleep. 'Nite, all.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:51:49pm |
re: #380 marjoriemoon
Actually 30% of my neighborhood has Teh Ghey. 3 couples on my block if fact! While the majority don't carry around a 6 pack, they're in pretty good shape.
In fact, when the neighborhood starting "turning", the property values went up. They like landscaping, painting and fixing stuff. They are guys after all. It's a win-win.
My favorite professor from college was very openly gay and he led a movement of educated gay professionals to take over a section of Baltimore. What had been old Victorian Brownstones turned slums is not one of the nicest places you could go - and they got many of the homes declared historical landmarks, so they have to be maintained to a certain standard.
One thing that you have to give gay couples is that they know how to make a place look good.
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Racer X Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:52:03pm |
re: #370 Floral Giraffe
Bummer.
And it is absolutely revenue generation. There has not been a sudden increase in car crashes has there? No. But there sure is an increase in issuing citations that is for sure. The local PD has set up a speed trap a few streets over and are out every day collecting revenue. I don't really mind though - some people drive way too fast in this residential area.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:52:04pm |
re: #388 SanFranciscoZionist
Never thought Cheney was much of a socon.
Well he had a gay daughter so he probably stopped being a socon fairly early on.
Its just that other than that Cheney is sort of the splitting image of the Corporate Republican isn't he?
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Soap_Man Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:52:07pm |
re: #337 Dark_Falcon
It looks like Kird Dillard is going to win the GOP nod for Gov. What do you know about him?
Hey Dark.
Don't be so sure. The latest numbers only put him about a thousand votes ahead of Brady, with McKenna fading fast. But he should hold on, as 96% of precincts are reporting.
He's pretty well respected in political circles, and is probably the most moderate of all the candidates running in the primary. He actually cut an ad supporting Obama in 2008, which brought a lot of heat in the past few weeks. He probably did this to keep his seat, but he does have a lot of appeal from middle-of-the-road democrats.
We'll see how things play out, but he is your standard fiscal conservative, social moderate. The Log Cabin Republicans endorsed him (no surprise) as well as most smaller newspapers and the Sun-Times. He's a budget slasher, and wants to reduce the scope of mandated programs, especially in the school system.
I don't know how you feel about former Gov. Edgar, but Dillard served as his chief of staff and got a glowing endorsement from Edgar.
As I said weeks ago, I always thought Dillard was the best candidate for the GOP. I'm just surprised that he is going to win.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:52:26pm |
re: #361 albusteve
concerning the Dick...
that guy he shot oughta have his firearms taken from him and fined...you simply do not put yourself in the other guys line of fire...it was Cheneys shot, Dumb Ass moved to the right and foreward, right into Dicks line of fire...shit happens...just lucky it was not buckshot...Target Man fucked up and he knew it
They took their sweet time about reporting it. My hunch is that everyone had been drinking.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:52:27pm |
re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist
There are gay men who are into big and burly...
Chubby chasers!
I know because I watched "Frank and Larry"
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:52:28pm |
re: #311 Obdicut
Big, burly, hairy gay guys are called 'bears', and form one of the largest subgroups. Except most have facial hair. You want a shaved bear.
Just in case you wake up a gay man some day.
Sometimes I wake up gay men and sometimes I let them sleep.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:52:34pm |
re: #374 jamesfirecat
That must explain why he apologized to the man who shot him in the face...
no it doesn't...what he did was from his own mind...I'm a shooter, there was no need to apologize, in fact the victim apologized for wandering around and being in the wrong place...stick to your video games
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:52:45pm |
re: #393 jamesfirecat
I think those guys just use the Socons, thats different than being one ;)
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:53:18pm |
re: #398 albusteve
man, if I shot somebody *I*'d apologize...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:53:33pm |
Catch you guys later. One more thought, though...
Calling atheism a religion is a fallacy. Like calling the theory of evolution a religion, it does people of faith absolutely no favors, and makes the position of those who have faith look weaker for it. Just my opinion.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:53:45pm |
re: #391 LudwigVanQuixote
My favorite professor from college was very openly gay and he led a movement of educated gay professionals to take over a section of Baltimore. What had been old Victorian Brownstones turned slums is not one of the nicest places you could go - and they got many of the homes declared historical landmarks, so they have to be maintained to a certain standard.
One thing that you have to give gay couples is that they know how to make a place look good.
Once upon a time I had property I rented. Call me a bigot. I rented only to gays. Damn they kept things nice.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:53:47pm |
re: #400 windsagio
man, if I shot somebody *I*'d apologize...
...Me, that depends on who I shot.
///:)
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:53:52pm |
re: #342 Varek Raith
I don't see how any of the above applies to 'atheism'.
At least, that's my opinion.
Yes, one might as well argue that not believing in astrology is a belief about astrology and therefore basically the same sort of thing.
It isn't.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:53:57pm |
It is past my bedtime, but I thought I would "ease" out of my jet lag slowly.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:54:03pm |
re: #368 SteveC
The dog is a Mossad assassin. He's to be for terminated with extreme prejudice. Tie him up and make him watch reruns of My Mother the Car.
How do you terminate someone with moderate prejudice, anyway?
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:55:12pm |
re: #401 Slumbering Behemoth
yer leaving, but I'll ask anyways. Why is it so important to you that its not?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:55:35pm |
re: #394 Soap_Man
Hey Dark.
Don't be so sure. The latest numbers only put him about a thousand votes ahead of Brady, with McKenna fading fast. But he should hold on, as 96% of precincts are reporting.
He's pretty well respected in political circles, and is probably the most moderate of all the candidates running in the primary. He actually cut an ad supporting Obama in 2008, which brought a lot of heat in the past few weeks. He probably did this to keep his seat, but he does have a lot of appeal from middle-of-the-road democrats.
We'll see how things play out, but he is your standard fiscal conservative, social moderate. The Log Cabin Republicans endorsed him (no surprise) as well as most smaller newspapers and the Sun-Times. He's a budget slasher, and wants to reduce the scope of mandated programs, especially in the school system.
I don't know how you feel about former Gov. Edgar, but Dillard served as his chief of staff and got a glowing endorsement from Edgar.
As I said weeks ago, I always thought Dillard was the best candidate for the GOP. I'm just surprised that he is going to win.
I just checked Politico and now Brady is ahead. Who should I want to win, since McKenna seems to be out?
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:55:43pm |
re: #406 SanFranciscoZionist
How do you terminate someone with moderate prejudice, anyway?
You have 3 choices, a 9mm, a tomahawk missile or a nuke. The 'moderate' choice is the tomahawk.
/:)
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:56:05pm |
re: #395 SanFranciscoZionist
They took their sweet time about reporting it. My hunch is that everyone had been drinking.
probably...but gun safety does not just go away because you are drinking...it becomes even more acute...mighty embarrassing all the way around considering the players involved
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:56:12pm |
re: #398 albusteve
I'm sure cheney would apologise out of good manners.(not an admission of guilt,culpability)but yeah you are sooo right,when hunting always be aware of your compadres line of fire!
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mich-again Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:57:00pm |
Some atheists don't believe in God. Some believe there is no God. Not a slight difference.
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SteveC Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:57:25pm |
re: #406 SanFranciscoZionist
How do you terminate someone with moderate prejudice, anyway?
"They're still working on him. He won't break. We've tried everything! Do you want me to bring out the Leroy Nieman paintings? "
"No! We cannot risk violating the Geneva Conventions!"
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:57:26pm |
re: #411 Boondock St. Bender
It seems like one of those dumb things that happen when people hunt drunk.
It just took all these stupid twists and turns (ie Cheney refusing to apologize, etc) because of the politics and mindsets involved.
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Soap_Man Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:57:31pm |
re: #394 Soap_Man
Well, Brady just jumped ahead. This is very surprising.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:57:52pm |
re: #412 mich-again
Some atheists don't believe in God. Some believe there is no God. Not a slight difference.
It's not just one 'God' that I don't believe in, it's thousands.
;)
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:57:56pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:58:11pm |
re: #398 albusteve
no it doesn't...what he did was from his own mind...I'm a shooter, there was no need to apologize, in fact the victim apologized for wandering around and being in the wrong place...stick to your video games
That's what I said all be it with a sarcastic edge...
That must be why the guy who got shot apologized to Dick Cheney because he was stupid enough to stick his face in Dick Cheney's firing line....
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:58:21pm |
re: #411 Boondock St. Bender
I'm sure cheney would apologise out of good manners.(not an admission of guilt,culpability)but yeah you are sooo right,when hunting always be aware of your compadres line of fire!
of course he would...it's just a natural reaction
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:58:21pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:58:39pm |
re: #410 albusteve
probably...but gun safety does not just go away because you are drinking...it becomes even more acute...mighty embarrassing all the way around considering the players involved
Actually, gun safety does go away because you are drinking. It becomes unsafe to be handling a gun, so you stop.
They were being idiots.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:59:09pm |
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:59:36pm |
re: #414 windsagio
more was made of it at the time than was really warrented.now arron burrs firearm problem ....that was news worthy!
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:59:46pm |
re: #418 jamesfirecat
That's what I said all be it with a sarcastic edge...
That must be why the guy who got shot apologized to Dick Cheney because he was stupid enough to stick his face in Dick Cheney's firing line...
yup, very embarrassing...it could have been a disaster...a very scary moment for everybody
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windsagio Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:00:32pm |
re: #424 Boondock St. Bender
I don't really blame them for making it a big story,
who could resist the headline?
Vice President Shoots man in face!
Its too good a story to let die, whatever the significance should be :P
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Soap_Man Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:01:51pm |
re: #421 Dark_Falcon
Why so?
Well, he is from outside the Chicago area, so I felt that the lack on name recognition would really hurt him. I also thought he was too conservative to have wide-spread support from in this state.
This is from the Trib: "Brady is not for abortions in cases of rape and incest nor when just the health of the mother is at risk. The only time he said an abortion should be permitted is if the mother's life is at stake.
He opposes gay marriage and civil unions. He voted against the state law passed in 2005 that banned discrimination against gays and lesbians in matters of housing and employment."
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:02:00pm |
re: #426 windsagio
I don't really blame them for making it a big story,
who could resist the headline?
Vice President Shoots man in face!
Its too good a story to let die, whatever the significance should be :P
The last man who was shot by a sitting VP was Aron Burr, Mr. Burr was shot of maters of dignity and honor...
Harry Whittington was shot because he was mistaken for a bird!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:02:07pm |
A band of beagles is scaring residents on part of Long Island.
The diminutive dogs don't normally threaten people, but these hounds are wild and running in packs.
7-month-old Trapper is a big baby.
He's too young to hold it in all night, so his owner Dot Faszczewski has gotten used to their midnight walks. They're usually uneventful, but that all changed two weeks ago. "I could hear them coming towards me, it was a ferocious kind of barking," described Dot Faszczewski of Orient Point.
Two or three vicious animals were lurking in the bushes.
"I quickly grabbed my dogs and came running into the house, just as we got in the dogs jumped at the door. I thought it was just some wolves coming at me," explained Dot.
It wasn't a pack of wolves, it was a bunch of beagles.
Vicious wild ....beagles?
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:02:22pm |
Bedtime for me, good night. Here's those new clips I mentioned downstairs.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:02:56pm |
re: #49 NJDhockeyfan
! button worthy stuff going on there.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:03:05pm |
re: #429 NJDhockeyfan
Vicious wild ...beagles?
Beagles have a tendency to believe themselves the Ultimate Badasses.
;)
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:03:08pm |
re: #423 Varek Raith
Not a single one.
:)
The world of dew
Is the world of dew,
And yet...and yet...
-- Kobayashi Issa
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:03:35pm |
re: #428 jamesfirecat
arron burr was the shooter.although,hamilton was probably shooting back.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:04:08pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:04:31pm |
re: #436 Boondock St. Bender
arron burr was the shooter.although,hamilton was probably shooting back.
Sorry just repeating a joke that I heard on the Daily Show which I thought was quite hilarious...
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:05:29pm |
re: #424 Boondock St. Bender
more was made of it at the time than was really warrented.now arron burrs firearm problem ...that was news worthy!
Yes, there we have some memorable news. A VP in hunting accident is newsworthy, but a VP in a duel stops the presses.
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tradewind Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:05:32pm |
Talk about coming out.... LOL.
This isn't gonna help Obama's health care bill....
[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:05:37pm |
re: #392 Racer X
I earned it. Many times over.
Second ticket in 30ish years.
HOWEVER.
It is a source of revenue, and the cities, counties & states are ACTIVELY looking for revenue. Drivers, beware!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:05:43pm |
re: #426 windsagio
I don't really blame them for making it a big story,
who could resist the headline?
Vice President Shoots man in face!
Its too good a story to let die, whatever the significance should be :P
True, true.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:06:11pm |
re: #323 Slumbering Behemoth
It's a "not really". Atheists, like anyone, can be dicks about their opinion. Doesn't make it a religion.
People can be dicks about anything. I like Chevys, not Fords. I have been known to talk shit. Does that mean I worship GM? Is my preference in cars a religion because I can sometimes be an opinionated asshole about it?
I'm mostly a Germanophile, But I've owned a lot of GM iron, and currently the only American cars I covet are GM products.
/okay, they're Holden products, but still
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:06:26pm |
re: #422 SanFranciscoZionist
Actually, gun safety does go away because you are drinking. It becomes unsafe to be handling a gun, so you stop.
They were being idiots.
sure after a point, but not necessarily...growing up, we were always very deep into safety, but we could still have a couple of beers...I've been to parties where guys break out the big stuff and start banging away, high on alcohol, coke, weed...I split...I will have nothing to do with that...I shoot with my dad and my friends...dependable sportsmen, not people showing off under the influence...there is a difference...I find it hard to believe Cheney and his pals were so drunk they'd forgo safety...it was an accident and lack of concentration by that guy....got a face full of led to remind him next time
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:06:26pm |
re: #427 Soap_Man
Well, he is from outside the Chicago area, so I felt that the lack on name recognition would really hurt him. I also thought he was too conservative to have wide-spread support from in this state.
This is from the Trib: "Brady is not for abortions in cases of rape and incest nor when just the health of the mother is at risk. The only time he said an abortion should be permitted is if the mother's life is at stake.
He opposes gay marriage and civil unions. He voted against the state law passed in 2005 that banned discrimination against gays and lesbians in matters of housing and employment."
Aw, hell! That guy isn't going to play well in the general election. He's to the right of me (I'm pro-civil unions) and someone that far right is not a good choice to run in this state. If this stands up, the GOP base may well have blown their chance at the Governor's Mansion (though Mark Kirk still gives us a good chance in the Senate).
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:06:44pm |
re: #437 The Shadow Do
Snoopy gone feral! RUN!
No word if any of the beagle were spotted near a Sopwith Camel.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:08:32pm |
re: #447 NJDhockeyfan
No word if any of the beagle were spotted near a Sopwith Camel.
OMG! FERAL DOGS WITH VICKERS GUNZ!1
/
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:09:11pm |
re: #441 tradewind
Talk about coming out... LOL.
This isn't gonna help Obama's health care bill...
[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]
What the US has the best healthcare in the world if cost isn't an issue.
If it is then you're f***ed, that's why we have so many more medical bankrupcies than the rest of the industriliazed world...
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:09:32pm |
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:09:33pm |
re: #441 tradewind
Those kiwis are a pretty tough lot.shepards probably do that procedure as an at home do it yourself kind of thing!
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:09:57pm |
re: #441 tradewind
Talk about coming out... LOL.
This isn't gonna help Obama's health care bill...
[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]
If we design our health care system close to Canada's, where will the rich politicians go for big surgeries?
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:10:39pm |
re: #428 jamesfirecat
The last man who was shot by a sitting VP was Aron Burr, Mr. Burr was shot of maters of dignity and honor...
Harry Whittington was shot because he was mistaken for a bird!
I thought Burr was the VP. He shot Hamilton. Yes?
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:11:16pm |
re: #452 NJDhockeyfan
brazil?...trade you a liver for a kidney!
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:11:35pm |
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Lidane Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:11:40pm |
re: #419 windsagio
Do you believe in G-d?
re: #423 Varek Raith
Not a single one.
:)
Same here. Never could wrap my head around the whole concept of a man up on high taking celestial inventory of everything I do and say.
There are plenty of things I can't explain, but that just means we haven't found the answers yet, at least IMO. :)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:12:16pm |
re: #441 tradewind
Talk about coming out... LOL.
This isn't gonna help Obama's health care bill...
[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]
In other news, a Mercedes CLK AMG is a superior car to a Ford Focus, so I guess everyone in America can afford one, right?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:12:26pm |
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Soap_Man Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:13:20pm |
re: #446 Dark_Falcon
Aw, hell! That guy isn't going to play well in the general election. He's to the right of me (I'm pro-civil unions) and someone that far right is not a good choice to run in this state. If this stands up, the GOP base may well have blown their chance at the Governor's Mansion (though Mark Kirk still gives us a good chance in the Senate).
Exactly. That's why I never thought Brady would have a chance. Picking him would be an over-reach. Illinois social conservative voters should have taken a page from MA and Scott Brown: Pick the guy you like and think can win than the guy you love who will get blown out. I think Illinois Republicans just shot themselves in the foot.
As for Kirk, he has a very good chance. Alexi Giannoulias is a hack, even Democrats think so.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:13:41pm |
re: #450 albusteve
the old Vickers...heh
The Camel mounted two lightened Vickers guns in .303 caliber. Some British aircraft also mounted Lewis guns without the finned radiator but with a 97-round drum mag. In The Mummy, Oden Fehr's character uses such a gun.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:13:42pm |
re: #458 WindUpBird
In other news, a Mercedes CLK AMG is a superior car to a Ford Focus, so I guess everyone in America can afford one, right?
with a loan from Fanny Mae, of course
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:14:15pm |
Way OT
Ever wonder what it would look like if your profile included how many updings and downdings you have clicked?
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:14:19pm |
re: #453 Silvergirl
they say it was over politics and comments made by hamilton.(in his newpaper the new york post
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:15:29pm |
re: #460 Soap_Man
Exactly. That's why I never thought Brady would have a chance. Picking him would be an over-reach. Illinois social conservative voters should have taken a page from MA and Scott Brown: Pick the guy you like and think can win than the guy you love who will get blown out. I think Illinois Republicans just shot themselves in the foot.
As for Kirk, he has a very good chance. Alexi Giannoulias is a hack, even Democrats think so.
The question is whether the two very different GOP candidates at the top of the ticket can co-exist or if things turn into yet another Tea Party/GOP fratricide.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:15:50pm |
re: #463 Rightwingconspirator
uh oh ...more work for charles!(although if he enjoys it is it really work?)
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The Shadow Do Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:15:51pm |
re: #463 Rightwingconspirator
Way OT
Ever wonder what it would look like if your profile included how many updings and downdings you have clicked?
Clicky?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:16:34pm |
re: #461 Dark_Falcon
The Camel mounted two lightened Vickers guns in .303 caliber. Some British aircraft also mounted Lewis guns without the finned radiator but with a 97-round drum mag. In The Mummy, Oden Fehr's character uses such a gun.
I've seen that movie...also Gunny what's his name from Mail Call pounded a few commie watermellons with one...hysterical!...good piece for it's time, but the tech was moving very fast and it was a short lived gun....as you know
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:16:39pm |
re: #449 jamesfirecat
My privately purchased health insurance went from $289 a month to $399 a month on 3/1. I will be reducing the quality & price of my health insurance.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:17:31pm |
re: #463 Rightwingconspirator
Way OT
Ever wonder what it would look like if your profile included how many updings and downdings you have clicked?
mine would be blank
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Lidane Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:18:08pm |
re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist
What makes someone a maladjusted homosexual?
Trying to "convert" away from being gay, or forcing yourself into the closet instead of just accepting who you are and living your life.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:18:56pm |
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Racer X Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:19:48pm |
Scratch My Back
The concept behind Peter Gabriel's forthcoming indie rock covers project is an intriguing one: it's a song swap, Peter singing over orchestral reinterpretations of songs from a staggering list of artists -- Bon Iver, Lou Reed, the Mag Fields, Radiohead, Bowie, Talking Heads, etc. -- with the intention of creating "a dialogue with the writers," paving the way for a companion piece in which a string of artists would return the favor.
The first installment is Scratch My Back, which Peter put together with Bob Ezrin and John Metcalfe. Our first full listen is this take on Arcade Fire's "My Body Is A Cage," and unsurprisingly, its gothic bombast is a fine foil for Metcalfe's symphonic arrangement. It's the only song from the collection to feature a choir.
Gabriel spoke in depth about the cover in this podcast, calling Arcade Fire a "self-contained" universe, and explaining both his take on the song and intention in reworking it. Here it is in Peter's words, along with the song itself in Peter's voice, which is something you should listen to fairly immediately:
Tracklist aka yes, please:
01 "Heroes" (David Bowie)
02 "The Boy in the Bubble" (Paul Simon)
03 "Mirrorball" (Elbow)
04 "Flume" (Bon Iver)
05 "Listening Wind" (Talking Heads)
06 "The Power of the Heart" (Lou Reed)
07 "My Body Is a Cage" (Arcade Fire)
08 "The Book of Love" (The Magnetic Fields)
09 "I Think It's Going to Rain Today" (Randy Newman)
10 "Après moi" (Regina Spektor)
11 "Philadelphia" (Neil Young)
12 "Street Spirit (Fade Out)" (Radiohead)
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:19:53pm |
re: #472 Boondock St. Bender
38% if you want to do the math.
I wasn't on board 100% with health care reform before....
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:20:21pm |
re: #473 Floral Giraffe
BS, you wouldn't know, because you wouldn't look.
ZING!
I have never dinged...fact...nor have I ever clicked my football, another fact
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Soap_Man Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:20:46pm |
re: #465 Dark_Falcon
The question is whether the two very different GOP candidates at the top of the ticket can co-exist or if things turn into yet another Tea Party/GOP fratricide.
I'm interested to see what Kirk will do. He's the perfect candidate for the Republicans in Illinois, but he has been criticized for moving to the right in the primary. Either he stays there and kills his well-earned reputation as a moderate, or it was a one-time thing to get through the primary and moves right back to the center for the general.
I think it will be the latter.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:21:22pm |
re: #468 albusteve
I've seen that movie...also Gunny what's his name from Mail Call pounded a few commie watermellons with one...hysterical!...good piece for it's time, but the tech was moving very fast and it was a short lived gun...as you know
True, though the Lewis clung on in second-line service till the end of WWII. The Japanese also made the Lewis and the Vickers in small numbers as light AA MGs aboard their warships. All of them had been landed by the time of WWII and were used as infantry weapons. One such Lewis actually survived the war and was brought to the US. Amnesty Registered in 1968, it is still occasionally fired today, though now it fires British .303 ammo (which is much cheaper than reproduction Japanese 7.7mm ammo).
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:21:56pm |
re: #477 Soap_Man
I'm interested to see what Kirk will do. He's the perfect candidate for the Republicans in Illinois, but he has been criticized for moving to the right in the primary. Either he stays there and kills his well-earned reputation as a moderate, or it was a one-time thing to get through the primary and moves right back to the center for the general.
I think it will be the latter.
Quite Concur.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:22:05pm |
re: #466 Boondock St. Bender
I'd hate to add to his stuff. I was just wondering as I had shifted my ratio some this thread.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:22:27pm |
re: #476 albusteve
And, scarily enough, I do believe you on this!
The anti-dinger.
He drinks purple people eaters.
he drives like a madman.
in cars only he has them
And the rest of us sit and wonder.
Burma shave like.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:22:31pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:22:56pm |
re: #471 Lidane
Trying to "convert" away from being gay, or forcing yourself into the closet instead of just accepting who you are and living your life.
And hating yourself so much that you hate other people who are gay and not closeted, so your spend your life and political career trying to force all other gay people into their own closets so they can be as miserable as you are.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:23:03pm |
re: #469 Floral Giraffe
My privately purchased health insurance went from $289 a month to $399 a month on 3/1. I will be reducing the quality & price of my health insurance.
I am absolutely not one who subscribes to conspiracies, but...insurance has signed on to the Government progam being pushed. That is a 25% increase in the face of a recession. Furthermore, it does not line up with corporate sponsored health costs.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:23:21pm |
Vickers...here's the old girl
Image: 818_l.jpg
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:23:43pm |
re: #475 Floral Giraffe
for alot of folks that kind of increase can be a budget breaker.(i hope not in your case!)There does need to be some kind of reform or working over for how we do med. insurance.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:24:00pm |
re: #470 albusteve
Really? Well for a guy with 40K comments and no avatar I should not be surprised. My usual is say something rather than -
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:25:22pm |
re: #479 Dark_Falcon
True, though the Lewis clung on in second-line service till the end of WWII. The Japanese also made the Lewis and the Vickers in small numbers as light AA MGs aboard their warships. All of them had been landed by the time of WWII and were used as infantry weapons. One such Lewis actually survived the war and was brought to the US. Amnesty Registered in 1968, it is still occasionally fired today, though now it fires British .303 ammo (which is much cheaper than reproduction Japanese 7.7mm ammo).
whoa there...thanks for the skinny...you're making me crave a BAR dude
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:26:00pm |
Nothing says fun TV entertainment than...
Turning abortion into an online game show
At first glance, bump-the-show sounds like a reasonable response to "Bump," the show -- a new, faux-reality Web-based docudrama featuring actors trying to decide whether to have an abortion.
Think Jerry Springer meets Oprah meets "American Idol" meets Dr. Oz meets . . . America's conscience. For the decision to abort or not to abort is up to you, dear audience.
Has the shark just jumped the shark?
The idea for the "show," which launches Monday, was inspired, of all things, by Barack Obama's commencement address at Notre Dame University last year. When the president said he wanted "to find ways to communicate about a workable solution to the problem of unintended pregnancies," executive producer Dominic Iocco conceived "Bump."
He and co-executive producer Christopher Riley want to see whether stories can succeed where four decades of rhetoric and politics have failed. They fashioned their experiment in a way that would be most appealing to the wired, reality-show generation.
Beginning Feb. 1, episodes will appear each week on Mondays and Thursdays, both on the Web site (BumptheShow.com) and on YouTube, and spectators are invited to comment. A pilot, which appeared on the eve of the 37th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, already had drawn 147 comments by Friday, ranging from criticism of the acting and the doctor's make-up to heartfelt accounts of personal experiences with abortion.
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Bob Levin Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:26:24pm |
re: #124 idioma
The god of Abraham, and all the associated texts do not imply that moderately practicing a religion will get you anywhere. It's pretty binary, you either go with the program, or go someplace bad when you die. It doesn't leave much wiggle room.
Being Christian, Muslim, or Jewish; and wanting to embrace enlightened principals in ethics requires you to think magically, and ignore the parts of your faith that don't work for you. It's a waste of time from either a theist or atheist perspective.
If you believe this, and think you understand those texts, let's be clear---you don't. Not only that, there aren't any words in English to describe the amount of space between you and the truth.
I didn't say anything for 124 posts, which is pretty good considering what you've been saying.
Learn. To. Read.
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MartiansAteMyCat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:26:32pm |
This statement is from the same man who said that he would prefer to see gays exported out of the US.
Focus on the Family is no longer a mainstream conservative organization. They have gone off the cliff with the rest of the far right.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:26:36pm |
re: #482 Floral Giraffe
And, scarily enough, I do believe you on this!
The anti-dinger.
He drinks purple people eaters.
he drives like a madman.
in cars only he has them
And the rest of us sit and wonder.Burma shave like.
lol!...all that's true actually
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:27:57pm |
re: #490 NJDhockeyfan
wow...just wow...speachless....
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:28:28pm |
re: #488 Rightwingconspirator
Really? Well for a guy with 40K comments and no avatar I should not be surprised. My usual is say something rather than -
I don't do any of the bells and whistles...I should learn the search function etc....but I just am not interested
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:29:19pm |
re: #492 MartiansAteMyCat
can we also deport hateful deuchebags?I have a list....
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:29:26pm |
re: #490 NJDhockeyfan
Nothing says fun TV entertainment than...
So more or less tactless than "married by America"?
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Racer X Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:29:59pm |
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laZardo Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:30:08pm |
re: #492 MartiansAteMyCat
This statement is from the same man who said that he would prefer to see gays exported out of the US.
Focus on the Family is no longer a mainstream conservative organization. They have gone off the cliff with the rest of the far right.
In the grand political spectrum of things, the 'far right' happen to be America's "mainstream conservatives."
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:31:29pm |
re: #500 laZardo
In the grand political spectrum of things, the 'far right' happen to be America's "mainstream conservatives."
don't be absurd...the two are mutually exclusive....just word games
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:31:56pm |
re: #500 laZardo
They seem to be getting the lions share of press attention.The sane will hopefully step up and tell the insane to STFU before it is too late.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:31:58pm |
re: #484 iceweasel
The most compelling point I ever heard on sexuality- "Is your preference voluntary? Could you switch your preference as a decision?" Its just wired in us somehow. I used to joke with my gay friend that once my sexuality was challenged. First by a Ruler. Then a yardstick. I was straighter than both.
Like I said earlier, what do you do with the differences you see? You can hate and harm or understand or just move on with due respects.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:32:45pm |
re: #493 albusteve
I never wrote poetry before.
I kinda liked how it came out.
How're you doing?
I wish you well.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:33:13pm |
re: #498 Racer X
David Byrne and Fatboy Slim - Please Don't (Featuring Santigold)
[Video]
yikes...not my thing, thanks anyway
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:33:29pm |
re: #489 albusteve
whoa there...thanks for the skinny...you're making me crave a BAR dude
I tried to convince my wife that I needed the nice FN FNC that's on Gun Broker right now for ~$8k. That's pretty cheap for a transferable Class III 5.56 rifle...
Alas, no go.
William
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laZardo Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:33:38pm |
re: #502 Boondock St. Bender
They seem to be getting the lions share of press attention.The sane will hopefully step up and tell the insane to STFU before it is too late.
Or perhaps they're silently consenting?
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laZardo Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:34:23pm |
re: #498 Racer X
David Byrne and Fatboy Slim - Please Don't (Featuring Santigold)
[Video]
/embedding disabled
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:34:45pm |
re: #503 Rightwingconspirator
The most compelling point I ever heard on sexuality- "Is your preference voluntary? Could you switch your preference as a decision?" Its just wired in us somehow. I used to joke with my gay friend that once my sexuality was challenged. First by a Ruler. Then a yardstick. I was straighter than both.
Like I said earlier, what do you do with the differences you see? You can hate and harm or understand or just move on with due respects.
I've never understood why that point doesn't seem to get through to some people. If you couldn't change yours, or feel yours is immutable, why do you think other people's desires would be?
And all I'm left with is this: maybe they do struggle with desires they think they shouldn't have, and that's why they think others should likewise struggle-- and then 'choose' to be straight like they did.
Don't know.
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Lidane Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:34:54pm |
re: #484 iceweasel
And hating yourself so much that you hate other people who are gay and not closeted, so your spend your life and political career trying to force all other gay people into their own closets so they can be as miserable as you are.
Exactly.
What I don't get is that these people are also the first ones to complain about big, intrusive government meddling in their lives, yet they also want to decide who consenting adults can and should fall in love with and what they can and can't do in the privacy of their own homes. That makes less than zero sense to me.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:34:59pm |
Watching Gregory Peck doing McArthur, again. A marriage of a great actor and a notorious character. Really good stuff.
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Buck Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:35:10pm |
Yes, the guy is an idiot. No one voted for him. He has no power. No one cares what he thinks, except for the left who uses him as an example of all conservatives.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:36:22pm |
re: #512 Buck
...heh, sure, ignore the red giant star in the room.
;)
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Racer X Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:36:51pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:37:15pm |
re: #512 Buck
Yes, the guy is an idiot. No one voted for him. He has no power. No one cares what he thinks, except for the left who uses him as an example of all conservatives.
I think the "Family Research Council" cares what he thinks as well, otherwise he wouldn't be one of their "Senior fellows" I'm assuming there are more than one of them...
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:37:38pm |
re: #507 laZardo
i think some may be afraid of being tarred with RINO,and then being challenged by a tea party populist.at times like these though the people who wish to lead the party need to step up and lead!
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:37:54pm |
re: #504 Floral Giraffe
I never wrote poetry before.
I kinda liked how it came out.How're you doing?
I wish you well.
I'm fine...strung together a couple of mostly pain free weeks...I keep praying I turn the corner with these surgeries, discomfort and pain killers...I'm guessing I might be addicted to Vicodin, so I gotta deal with that....maybe not tho...I'm heading south for a couple of days to celebrate my good health...do some sight seeing, maybe go over into AZ, just get away from Albuqueque, fuck around for a bit, take some pictures and relax out in the great west...thanks for asking
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:38:18pm |
re: #458 WindUpBird
In other news, a Mercedes CLK AMG is a superior car to a Ford Focus, so I guess everyone in America can afford one, right?
No, no, the point is, the Canadians don't have them.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:39:43pm |
re: #471 Lidane
Trying to "convert" away from being gay, or forcing yourself into the closet instead of just accepting who you are and living your life.
So closeted or converted gay people can't join the Russian military?
(Once read a wonderful article in Jane magazine, by a gay man who let himself be put through a 'conversion' program. Very interesting.)
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:40:00pm |
re: #506 wlewisiii
I tried to convince my wife that I needed the nice FN FNC that's on Gun Broker right now for ~$8k. That's pretty cheap for a transferable Class III 5.56 rifle...
Alas, no go.
William
there was an ex poster...Iron Fist...he was a shooter and had all kinds of stuff, but the only thing he really wanted was some exotic MG that was 8-9 grand...cool gun, but c'mon
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:41:06pm |
re: #517 albusteve
I'm fine...strung together a couple of mostly pain free weeks...I keep praying I turn the corner with these surgeries, discomfort and pain killers...I'm guessing I might be addicted to Vicodin, so I gotta deal with that...maybe not tho...I'm heading south for a couple of days to celebrate my good health...do some sight seeing, maybe go over into AZ, just get away from Albuqueque, fuck around for a bit, take some pictures and relax out in the great west...thanks for asking
Be well, and have fun, my friend!
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:41:58pm |
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:42:39pm |
re: #520 albusteve
there was an ex poster...Iron Fist...he was a shooter and had all kinds of stuff, but the only thing he really wanted was some exotic MG that was 8-9 grand...cool gun, but c'mon
Iron Fist got off (and still does - he posts regular gun-porn "guest posts" on 2.0) on the sex aspect of firearms. I mean, c'mon, I love guns, but not that way.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:43:01pm |
I HAVE TO GO TO SLEEP NOW.
Or, it will, not be pretty tomorrow.
Love you Lizards.
Albusteve, you pay attention & take care, OK?
Hasta manana!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:43:58pm |
re: #520 albusteve
there was an ex poster...Iron Fist...he was a shooter and had all kinds of stuff, but the only thing he really wanted was some exotic MG that was 8-9 grand...cool gun, but c'mon
It was actually a short barreled G-3 rifle, which to me is not the best idea (nasty recoil). But then again, if IR had the best judgment, he would not have earned himself a ban with his violent and foolish comments.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:44:05pm |
re: #525 Floral Giraffe
have a good one!hope to speak again soon!
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:44:16pm |
re: #523 Cato the Elder
Iron Fist got off (and still does - he posts regular gun-porn "guest posts" on 2.0) on the sex aspect of firearms. I mean, c'mon, I love guns, but not that way.
he was odd like that, I agree...kinda spooky...I liked that nut, too bad
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:44:20pm |
re: #524 Gus 802
Looks I missed the squabbling fun.
*Varek attempts a sneak attack on Gus*
Gus 802 was caught flat footed. Attack successful!
Snowball did 47 cold damage to Gus.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:44:24pm |
Oh, look who's here?
Beware that sly charmer, Cato the Elder.
He really DOES know everything.
G'Night all.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:45:07pm |
re: #522 albusteve
I'm pretty sure I had her up in Cheyenne one time...maybe it was her sister
Time for this lizard to hit the nest. G'nite.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:45:10pm |
re: #334 Floral Giraffe
No, but I WILL warn you about the price of a speeding ticket, in these DIRE municipal budget days...
81 in a 65 zone is $485 in California. PLUS another $120 if you want to do traffic school, which costs an additional $250 to take.
I WISH I WAS KIDDING.
I got one ticket going out to the left coast and one coming back. Total damage: $240 dollars.
Why the hell would I want to do traffic school? I own the traffic.
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Gus Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:45:30pm |
re: #529 Varek Raith
*Varek attempts a sneak attack on Gus*
Gus 802 was caught flat footed. Attack successful!
Snowball did 47 cold damage to Gus.
Hey! Who told you I have barge feet?
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:46:44pm |
re: #509 iceweasel
I've never understood why that point doesn't seem to get through to some people. If you couldn't change yours, or feel yours is immutable, why do you think other people's desires would be?
And all I'm left with is this: maybe they do struggle with desires they think they shouldn't have, and that's why they think others should likewise struggle-- and then 'choose' to be straight like they did.
Don't know.
Fact is, I think most of us are probably somewhat fluid in our sexual preferences...but some are not, and frankly, if you come out in this extraordinarily heterosexually oriented society, you're a good candidate for 'not'.
I am always reminded of a lovely throw-away bit in one of Mary Renault's novels. It's set during the Peloponnesian war, in Athens, and the narrator gets to meet Socrates, and a bunch of the greats of the day. He comments at one point, of Xenophon, that over years of being friends, he's realized that Xenophon is the kind of guy who's just so fixated on women that he can't form a relationship with another man, and well, that's just the way some people are. It's sly, and extremely funny, and telling. Imagine being an honest-to-God straight dude in a culture that assumes that emotional and romantic relationships are between men.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:46:52pm |
re: #531 NJDhockeyfan
nite buddy! gonna be in front of the home of your favorite team tomorrow!(my bud is chief engineer of a building on broad st.)
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:47:54pm |
re: #488 Rightwingconspirator
Really? Well for a guy with 40K comments and no avatar I should not be surprised. My usual is say something rather than -
Isn't a green football an avatar?
Is atheism a religion?
Eye of the beholder.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:47:56pm |
re: #535 Boondock St. Bender
nite buddy! gonna be in front of the home of your favorite team tomorrow!(my bud is chief engineer of a building on broad st.)
Cool!
Have a great evening all!
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:48:20pm |
re: #536 laZardo
kinda hard to shoot from that posture.....lol
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:48:21pm |
re: #532 Cato the Elder
No one in their right mind "wants" to do traffic school.
I hear the one with the clowns is specatacularly bad.
Still, if it saves $100 a year on your insurance for 5 years...
I guess I could put up with the clowns.
Or, be willfully profligate & just pay up.
I haven't decided.
Yet.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:48:32pm |
re: #524 Gus 802
Looks I missed the squabbling fun.
Well, idioma showed up and was a bit stroppy, as they say on that other side of the pond...
In other news, (and I'm sorry, but this truly has been my favourite moment ever on LGF)-- I was called an 'outside agitator'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:48:57pm |
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KT Smells like Roses and Ranbows Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:48:58pm |
re: #536 laZardo
QUICK QUESTION.
Are open gays allowed to serve in the IDF?
Probably. Jews don't have the same hangups as Christians.
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webevintage Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:49:01pm |
Peter Sprigg of the far right religious group Family Research Council openly said he wants to see “gay behavior” outlawed.
Peter Sprigg makes Baby Jesus cry...
LOST. Wow.
Good times.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:49:52pm |
re: #544 Killgore Trout Stinks
Probably. Jews don't have the same hangups as Christians.
But, but, but, YOU STINK.
How could we be sure????
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:50:13pm |
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Lidane Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:50:28pm |
re: #519 SanFranciscoZionist
So closeted or converted gay people can't join the Russian military?
I'm sure they can. I just don't know how happy someone can truly be if they're deliberately suppressing such a basic part of who they are.
(Once read a wonderful article in Jane magazine, by a gay man who let himself be put through a 'conversion' program. Very interesting.)
I don't get the whole "conversion program" thing. Being gay isn't a disease or a mental disorder or anything. It's just who you fall in love with and who you want to build a life with. I will never understand why people have such a problem with it.
I always liked what Henry Rollins said about it when he was confronted with rumors about him being gay. He said something along the lines of if he was gay, there wouldn't even be a closet, since he would have burned for kindling by the time he was 13. I liked that. I think that about sums it up. I'm not gay either. I love men very much. If I was a lesbian, however, I certainly wouldn't hide it.
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laZardo Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:50:52pm |
re: #545 webevintage
Peter Sprigg of the far right religious group Family Research Council openly said he wants to see “gay behavior” outlawed.
Peter Sprigg makes Baby Jesus cry...
LOST. Wow.
Good times.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:51:15pm |
re: #543 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes.
Because when the entire Arab world wants to wipe your nation off the face of the earth, and Iran is fingering its nuke program, the last thing you have energy to worry about is whether Yigal is looking at your ass.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:53:03pm |
re: #544 Killgore Trout Stinks
Probably. Jews don't have the same hangups as Christians.
Oh, we got hangups. In some circles, bad hangups. But not about military service.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:53:39pm |
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webevintage Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:54:26pm |
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:54:33pm |
re: #548 Lidane
some not so bright folks believe it is a choice(cause apparently homosexuals are really just bad perverts)as if anyone in their right mind would choose to take on the baggage(emotional and physical)that many homosexuals are burdened with.
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pharmmajor Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:54:51pm |
Oh for the love of...
This is why I don't watch political discussion shows. Because I'm convince that nearly everyone they invite on (and nearly all of the hosts) are graduates of a "special" school.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:55:06pm |
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:55:54pm |
re: #45 idioma
Christians that choose not to hate position themselves in opposition to the god they believe in.
Hey, Mr. "I'm here for the lolz", go back to 4chan or Something Awful or wherever you spawned from, because you've been doing now is baiting, nothing constructive at all.
/you can cordially bite me...
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:56:03pm |
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:56:20pm |
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:57:04pm |
re: #541 Floral Giraffe
No one in their right mind "wants" to do traffic school.
I hear the one with the clowns is specatacularly bad.
Still, if it saves $100 a year on your insurance for 5 years...
I guess I could put up with the clowns.
Or, be willfully profligate & just pay up.
I haven't decided.
Yet.
The good thing (one of the many good things) about my car is that it looks like an unmarked patrol vehicle. So when I sail by some self-righteous schmuck in a Prius (in the right-hand lane, because even though he's doing ten miles over the limit, he won't get out of the way for someone who wants to go faster than his pious ass) going 100 mph, he's less likely to use his iPhone to drop a dime on me.
Plus, I also have wig-wag lights installed. Those are the circuits that make your headlights flash the high beams on and off while alternating from right to left. This is the sitch when I use them: you're cruising down the road at a comfortable and entirely sane 15+ mph over the limit. Some clown ahead is passing a truck, but taking all day about it. When you come up behind him, he refuses to speed up and complete the pass. You can't go around on the right, because - remember? - there's a truck there.
Hit the wig-wag button. Problem solved.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:57:38pm |
re: #557 talon_262
long gone now....for the last few hundred comments or so....(watch as soon as i post they'll be back....)
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webevintage Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:58:05pm |
Shake and Bake
Chip I"m gonna come at you like a spider monkey
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 9:58:17pm |
re: #560 laZardo
NNNEEERRRDDD! O:
*Varek casts Silence on laZardo*
laZardo attempts to resist spell!
laZardo fails to resist!
laZardo is silenced for 6 hours!
:P
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Gus Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:00:23pm |
re: #542 iceweasel
Well, idioma showed up and was a bit stroppy, as they say on that other side of the pond...
In other news, (and I'm sorry, but this truly has been my favourite moment ever on LGF)-- I was called an 'outside agitator'.
Ugh. I thought Charles was the authority on what would be considered an agitator? I think it's a bit late to be complaining about who or what is allowed at LGF. All things considered. Besides that if we truly don't want this to be an echo chamber... you know what I mean. Any attempt at revanchism here is a fruitless endeavor.
About the other thing. Evangelizing from whichever stance is never popular. It's frustrating for me to watch for obvious reasons in this particular case. What happens is Person A will generalize about Belief B to Person B. Then Person B will generalize about the Person A' Belief A. This something that can go on for hours. The way I see it, an atheist is generally a bad authority on Christianity as is a Christian a bad authority on atheism -- particularly when things get heated. While atheism is not a religion in the traditional sense it's still a belief system.
I don't see the point because most of the religious people here at LGF now are rather progressive in their beliefs. Many are deists as well. I don't see the point in being overtly hostile towards Christianity in this forum given the nature of the members here.
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Lidane Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:00:30pm |
re: #554 Boondock St. Bender
some not so bright folks believe it is a choice(cause apparently homosexuals are really just bad perverts)as if anyone in their right mind would choose to take on the baggage(emotional and physical)that many homosexuals are burdened with.
That's what I don't get. I didn't choose to be straight. Why would anyone choose to be gay? That has never made sense to me.
I mean, I've seen that mindset in my mother, but she can be forgiven for it. She's 73 years old. She's from a different era where being gay really was treated like a defect or an illness. However, there's no excuse for anyone these days to think that way. We know better. Or at least we should.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:00:51pm |
re: #565 Boondock St. Bender
nice!!!me need one!!!
Look up "wig-wag" on the net. They're relatively cheap, and if you do get pulled over, no cop is going to see the switch cleverly installed below the steering column.
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:00:56pm |
re: #562 Boondock St. Bender
long gone now...for the last few hundred comments or so...(watch as soon as i post they'll be back...)
Nah, the jackass is still logged on. Unless they leave their machine on and browser up while they sleep, they're here watching...and know their ass is f**king busted.
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:01:08pm |
re: #561 Cato the Elder
Wig-wag lights? Are they legal? If I saw that action in my rear view mirror, I'd panic. I know that's the point of them, but it does sound terribly rude.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:01:12pm |
re: #564 Varek Raith
*Varek casts Silence on laZardo*
laZardo attempts to resist spell!
laZardo fails to resist!
laZardo is silenced for 6 hours!
:P
He got off lightly at that. Varek has some Bad Mojo!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:01:26pm |
re: #566 Gus 802
Yeah. This isn't exactly a crowd of wild-eyed fanatics around here. Well, not on religious matters.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:03:51pm |
re: #567 Lidane
I guess the same can apply for racism,or religious intolerence...etc. one would think that these thing would be a thing of the past...but on the bright side,these bad ideas are being exposed for what they aremand we are making progress...that's some thing i guess.
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:04:54pm |
re: #566 Gus 802
Yes. Is there really a need to be overtly hostile towards whatever in this forum given the nature of the members here?
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Gus Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:05:13pm |
re: #572 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. This isn't exactly a crowd of wild-eyed fanatics around here. Well, not on religious matters.
Correct. And that's a good thing.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:05:38pm |
re: #566 Gus 802
It's weird. I've run across idioma before months ago and she was cool. Lately it's been a lot of bomb throwing and she's smarter than that-- or at least used to be.
I don't get it. She did take quite a beating a few times, maybe now she's just mad, but still.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:06:30pm |
re: #574 Silvergirl
Yes. Is there really a need to be overtly hostile towards whatever in this forum given the nature of the members here?
Yes. Trolling and bullying deserve hostility.
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Gus Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:06:37pm |
re: #574 Silvergirl
Yes. Is there really a need to be overtly hostile towards whatever in this forum given the nature of the members here?
I would say no. Only if it escalates into personal matters. I've admitted it before in which early last year I was a little bit hostile about things and rather harsh on a few members. I made an effort to stop.
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Lidane Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:07:51pm |
re: #573 Boondock St. Bender
I guess the same can apply for racism,or religious intolerance...etc. one would think that these thing would be a thing of the past...but on the bright side,these bad ideas are being exposed for what they are and we are making progress...that's some thing i guess.
True. At least people are seeing these ideas for the blatant ignorance they are, and are rebelling against them and saying that they don't agree.
That does count for something. It's proof of shifting attitudes, even among the right. The sooner that happens, the better, IMO.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:07:57pm |
re: #570 Silvergirl
Wig-wag lights? Are they legal? If I saw that action in my rear view mirror, I'd panic. I know that's the point of them, but it does sound terribly rude.
Strictly speaking, only cops and other emergency folks are allowed to have them.
In the real world you can buy them on the internet and your local mechanic will install them for a song.
Everybody has had to pull over to the right for someone coming up behind with wig-wags flashing. I just use them for convenience.
"Terribly rude" is sticking fast on cruise control in the left lane and refusing to budge when someone wants to pass. In most cases that's illegal, even if that someone is exceeding the speed limit. This is my remedy.
And by the way, the worst, most arrogant offenders these days really are the Prius drivers. I'll wag there wigs for them, yes I will.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:08:54pm |
re: #571 Dark_Falcon
He got off lightly at that. Varek has some Bad Mojo!
My most powerful spell is called Apocalypse From the Sky.
The D&D spell "Apocalypse from the Sky" is a legal, non-epic, destructive spell in 3rd Edition with a ten-mile per level radius centered on you (and due to fact that you have at least to be level 18 to cast the spell you can imagine the blast), and, unlike any other spell, you can't exclude yourself from it, and even if you do survive that, the corruption damage would probably put you in a coma.
A one shot deal, but, I'm taking you all out with me! Muhahaha!
:)
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:09:08pm |
re: #572 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. This isn't exactly a crowd of wild-eyed fanatics around here. Well, not on religious matters.
Speak for yerself infidel.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:10:05pm |
re: #580 Cato the Elder
Strictly speaking, only cops and other emergency folks are allowed to have them.
In the real world you can buy them on the internet and your local mechanic will install them for a song.
Everybody has had to pull over to the right for someone coming up behind with wig-wags flashing. I just use them for convenience.
"Terribly rude" is sticking fast on cruise control in the left lane and refusing to budge when someone wants to pass. In most cases that's illegal, even if that someone is exceeding the speed limit. This is my remedy.
And by the way, the worst, most arrogant offenders these days really are the Prius drivers. I'll wag there wigs for them, yes I will.
"I'll wig there (sic) wags" wounds like something Homer Simpsons would say before he tries to choke somebody....
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:10:21pm |
re: #576 iceweasel
It's weird. I've run across idioma before months ago and she was cool. Lately it's been a lot of bomb throwing and she's smarter than that-- or at least used to be.
I don't get it. She did take quite a beating a few times, maybe now she's just mad, but still.
I'd say that some of it is butthurt. Some people don't take having their ideas rejected well. They get nasty instead and decide to flout their ideas and deliberately offend others. That what idioma has done. She's paid the price too, with a number of downdings in one thread worse than anything avanti used to get and without the small number of compensating updings.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:10:21pm |
re: #568 Cato the Elder
Look up "wig-wag" on the net. They're relatively cheap, and if you do get pulled over, no cop is going to see the switch cleverly installed below the steering column.
my car, sitting in my moms garage in MI, is a 03 Chevy Impala 3.8 liter V6...leather, every option and a killer sound system...very nice car for high speed cruising...1-110mph range...I have blown by cops that just sit there and do nothing...heart stopping but maybe they don't see the silver flash fly by them...happened a couple times on the Penn Turnpike
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:11:48pm |
re: #581 Varek Raith
A one shot deal, but, I'm taking you all out with me! Muhahaha!
:)
But I thought Sith thrive on corruption...
/mixing games for fun here.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:11:57pm |
re: #580 Cato the Elder
Strictly speaking, only cops and other emergency folks are allowed to have them.
In the real world you can buy them on the internet and your local mechanic will install them for a song.
Everybody has had to pull over to the right for someone coming up behind with wig-wags flashing. I just use them for convenience.
"Terribly rude" is sticking fast on cruise control in the left lane and refusing to budge when someone wants to pass. In most cases that's illegal, even if that someone is exceeding the speed limit. This is my remedy.
And by the way, the worst, most arrogant offenders these days really are the Prius drivers. I'll wag there wigs for them, yes I will.
in NM you must yield the left lane to faster traffic...it is the law
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Gus Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:12:23pm |
re: #576 iceweasel
It's weird. I've run across idioma before months ago and she was cool. Lately it's been a lot of bomb throwing and she's smarter than that-- or at least used to be.
I don't get it. She did take quite a beating a few times, maybe now she's just mad, but still.
Sometimes matters of a personal nature get transferred into writing. At times it could also be physical like long term ailments or even just waking up in a bad mood. For that matter not being fully awake before typing which is something I often do. I was never a morning person.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:12:51pm |
re: #585 albusteve
i used to attract penn.state troopers on rt.80 like i was magnetic...those were the days(ex in-laws lived in ohio)
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:13:46pm |
re: #584 Dark_Falcon
I'd say that some of it is butthurt. Some people don't take having their ideas rejected well. They get nasty instead and decide to flout their ideas and deliberately offend others. That what idioma has done. She's paid the price too, with a number of downdings in one thread worse than anything avanti used to get and without the small number of compensating updings.
she is irrelevant..just a punching bag with nothing to add...she needs a sense of humor for one thing
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:14:18pm |
re: #577 iceweasel
Yes. Trolling and bullying deserve hostility.
But it gets so mucky. One person's tolerance for bullying depends so very much on who's doing the bullying and who's being bullied. One person's troll is another person's friend who's either having a bad day or who has a right to stick up for him/herself. We've all seen this so many times.
But at least you're replying to me. When you said I was on permanent ignore I took you at your word. It's good to be flexible.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:15:15pm |
re: #589 Boondock St. Bender
i used to attract penn.state troopers on rt.80 like i was magnetic...those were the days(ex in-laws lived in ohio)
Ohio is now one big speed trap, thanks to the idiots who set the mph limits and the impecuniosity of the state. The fine for going one to fifteen over the limit is $130. And they will pull you over for one mile beyond the posted. They are that broke.
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:16:03pm |
re: #576 iceweasel
It's weird. I've run across idioma before months ago and she was cool. Lately it's been a lot of bomb throwing and she's smarter than that-- or at least used to be.
I don't get it. She did take quite a beating a few times, maybe now she's just mad, but still.
Idioma is a she? Didn't realize that, but they certainly like they have got a hate hard-on for religion (Christianity, in particular). Me, I'm a bit of a deist, but the strident hate that idioma has been spewing in regards to religion lately is enough to make me smack the taste out of her mouth (so to speak)...there's civil disagreement over stuff such as religion and then there's just full-on hate.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:16:54pm |
re: #592 Cato the Elder
ouch glad i don't have to drive there regularly anymore.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:17:21pm |
re: #589 Boondock St. Bender
i used to attract penn.state troopers on rt.80 like i was magnetic...those were the days(ex in-laws lived in ohio)
that road is legendary...like a 300mi long race track...smooth, narrow...nice scenery...I fly across that road like A.J. Foyt when the traffic is thin enough...a zone, trance like thing
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:17:55pm |
re: #580 Cato the Elder
Strictly speaking, only cops and other emergency folks are allowed to have them.
In the real world you can buy them on the internet and your local mechanic will install them for a song.
Everybody has had to pull over to the right for someone coming up behind with wig-wags flashing. I just use them for convenience.
"Terribly rude" is sticking fast on cruise control in the left lane and refusing to budge when someone wants to pass. In most cases that's illegal, even if that someone is exceeding the speed limit. This is my remedy.
And by the way, the worst, most arrogant offenders these days really are the Prius drivers. I'll wag there wigs for them, yes I will.
That, too.
Wag their wigs!
I'm still afraid of your wig-wag lights. I don't do mindless cruise control so I probably wouldn't warrant a wig-wag scare.
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Summer Seale Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:18:09pm |
re: #566 Gus 802
The way I see it, an atheist is generally a bad authority on Christianity as is a Christian a bad authority on atheism -- particularly when things get heated. While atheism is not a religion in the traditional sense it's still a belief system.
I don't see the point because most of the religious people here at LGF now are rather progressive in their beliefs. Many are deists as well. I don't see the point in being overtly hostile towards Christianity in this forum given the nature of the members here.
I'm a fantastic authority on stuff, and I'm an Atheist! =)
Also, I disagree with lots of people here on this, sorry: Atheism isn't a belief system. Sam Harris was right when he said that it's really a non-term. It's like saying you're a non-astrologist, or a non-alchemist.
People make Atheism on both sides far more than it really is. All it is, in reality, it saying you don't happen to agree that there is a higher power. That's all. It means you just don't believe in God/Gods. That isn't a belief system. =)
I know some people on both sides make it into a belief system and I too sometimes have found myself saying (erroneously btw) that "Atheists should....(fill in the blank)" but they shouldn't really. That's a mistake, and one I sometimes make too (to show I really am human and not in actuality a Goddess).
But basically saying that non-belief is a religious position, or a belief system, is kinda silly. It's like saying that people who remain unconvinced of the "power" of Homeopathy are giving a religious/belief system in their continual state of not being convinced by the "evidence" of Homeopaths.
Hitchens also stated that all it is, really, is (and I'm paraphrasing here) somebody who has been presented the evidence of religious texts, and finds it unconvincing. That really isn't a belief system or religious system to say that. And again: everyone is an Atheist to some degree. I venture to guess that most here have heard of Hinduism or Buddhism, or Islam, or even Thorism, have read about it, have read the history of it, and have said "You know what? I'm not convinced that this higher power exists".
Atheists just go one God further. That's all.
=)
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:18:23pm |
re: #595 albusteve
yeah exactly,that's how they always got me.you can't help it!
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Gus Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:18:29pm |
re: #592 Cato the Elder
Ohio is now one big speed trap, thanks to the idiots who set the mph limits and the impecuniosity of the state. The fine for going one to fifteen over the limit is $130. And they will pull you over for one mile beyond the posted. They are that broke.
What's the speed limit there? Anything under 75 is slow. I keep it under 84 in a 75 mph zone. In between with occasional bursts beyond 90!
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:18:44pm |
re: #592 Cato the Elder
I must add, however, that I got my money's worth in OH. I was doing the full fifteen over the ridiculous 55-mph limit when I got my ticket. Can you imagine how ripped off I would have felt if I had to pay the same amount for a wussyish five miles over?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:20:00pm |
re: #592 Cato the Elder
Ohio is now one big speed trap, thanks to the idiots who set the mph limits and the impecuniosity of the state. The fine for going one to fifteen over the limit is $130. And they will pull you over for one mile beyond the posted. They are that broke.
I-80 across Ohio is a joke, I agree...this beautiful road and there are cops everywhere, like knats...in Penn they leave you alone
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:20:39pm |
re: #599 Gus 802
What's the speed limit there? Anything under 75 is slow. I keep it under 84 in a 75 mph zone. In between with occasional bursts beyond 90!
Ohio likes variety. But I believe top speed in the whole state is 65. Feels like walking to someone with a good car.
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Gus Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:21:46pm |
re: #602 Cato the Elder
Ohio likes variety. But I believe top speed in the whole state is 65. Feels like walking to someone with a good car.
It's like going 90 for hours on end and suddenly driving into a metro area with speed traps and a 55 mph zone. It's like crawling.
| 604 |
albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:21:54pm |
re: #598 Boondock St. Bender
yeah exactly,that's how they always got me.you can't help it!
you gotta go faster...at some point I swear they just don't want to fuck with it....100+
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:23:17pm |
re: #600 Cato the Elder
I must add, however, that I got my money's worth in OH. I was doing the full fifteen over the ridiculous 55-mph limit when I got my ticket. Can you imagine how ripped off I would have felt if I had to pay the same amount for a wussyish five miles over?
you da man!...Ohio fears you!...
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:23:17pm |
re: #601 albusteve
I-80 across Ohio is a joke, I agree...this beautiful road and there are cops everywhere, like knats...in Penn they leave you alone
Fact is, most interstates are engineered so that 100 mph would be a perfectly safe speed. The rest is politics.
Gawd, I miss the German Autobahn.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:24:15pm |
re: #593 talon_262
Idioma is a she? Didn't realize that, but they certainly like they have got a hate hard-on for religion (Christianity, in particular). Me, I'm a bit of a deist, but the strident hate that idioma has been spewing in regards to religion lately is enough to make me smack the taste out of her mouth (so to speak)...there's civil disagreement over stuff such as religion and then there's just full-on hate.
Yes, definitely a she.
Something must have happened. This is weird and not like the person I had a few nice convos with months ago.
| 608 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:24:43pm |
re: #606 Cato the Elder
especially in modern cars...much better at handling than the average car of 20,30 years ago.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:25:52pm |
Outside the back door.
Pretty.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:27:41pm |
re: #607 iceweasel
perhaps religious based intolerence is a sore subject.some folks have short fuses under the right circumstances.but then again here at lgf...well we've seen lots of folks who seemed normal and rational..even very likeable totally lose it.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:27:59pm |
re: #606 Cato the Elder
Fact is, most interstates are engineered so that 100 mph would be a perfectly safe speed. The rest is politics.
Gawd, I miss the German Autobahn.
According to Dave Barry you really don't need to get anywhere on the Autobahn, you can have a perfectly lovely vacation in Germany just driving on the Autobahn...
Probably like how my dad (who has spent a lot of time driving in Boston) felt like back when gas was cheap you could spend a lovely afternoon driving around a rotary screwing with people's heads....
| 612 |
Silvergirl Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:27:59pm |
Ahhh. I left to get the towels out of the dryer and have spent the past few minutes buried in the fluffy warmth. I may need to get to bed sooner than I thought.
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darthstar Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:28:16pm |
Back from dinner...sauteed skate and green garlic soup with frog legs. Life is good.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:29:11pm |
re: #606 Cato the Elder
Fact is, most interstates are engineered so that 100 mph would be a perfectly safe speed. The rest is politics.
Gawd, I miss the German Autobahn.
in the NM outback, you can drive as fast as you dare...it's only a mater of how much attention you want to use...after 90 or so I really concentrate...over 100 I'm really focused you know?...shit can happen really fast at higher speeds...I hug the center line and drive the road, balls to the walls...big fun
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:29:53pm |
re: #608 Boondock St. Bender
especially in modern cars...much better at handling than the average car of 20,30 years ago.
The 1996 Jaguar XK8 that I got to drive for a few days in WA says in its owner's manual that the US models are 'lectronically limited to a maximum speed of...wait for it...157 mph. (That must work out to a round number in kilometers.) Which implies that the European models have no such restrictions.
I had it up to 70+ mph from a dead stop going up the steepest hill on Bainbridge Island in four seconds. The top speed on the whole island is 40.
Now that's a car.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:30:18pm |
re: #613 darthstar
skate ...rumor has it that it tastes like scallops(around here they go back in with the sea robins.....)
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mikhailtheplumber Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:30:39pm |
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:30:44pm |
re: #610 Boondock St. Bender
perhaps religious based intolerence is a sore subject.some folks have short fuses under the right circumstances.but then again here at lgf...well we've seen lots of folks who seemed normal and rational..even very likeable totally lose it.
Good that you said fuses. Not wicks. Never say wick when you should say fuse. It causes massive misunderstanding. I didn't know it was code! All is well now I believe.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:31:23pm |
re: #615 Cato the Elder
nice nothing like flattening the eyeballs once in a while!
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:32:26pm |
re: #615 Cato the Elder
The 1996 Jaguar XK8 that I got to drive for a few days in WA says in its owner's manual that the US models are 'lectronically limited to a maximum speed of...wait for it...157 mph. (That must work out to a round number in kilometers.) Which implies that the European models have no such restrictions.
I had it up to 70+ mph from a dead stop going up the steepest hill on Bainbridge Island in four seconds. The top speed on the whole island is 40.
Now that's a car.
I've driven many's the street rod...zero to 70 in 4 sec is just getting warmed up....heh
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Gus Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:33:14pm |
re: #597 Summer
I'm a fantastic authority on stuff, and I'm an Atheist! =)
Also, I disagree with lots of people here on this, sorry: Atheism isn't a belief system. Sam Harris was right when he said that it's really a non-term. It's like saying you're a non-astrologist, or a non-alchemist.
People make Atheism on both sides far more than it really is. All it is, in reality, it saying you don't happen to agree that there is a higher power. That's all. It means you just don't believe in God/Gods. That isn't a belief system. =)
I know some people on both sides make it into a belief system and I too sometimes have found myself saying (erroneously btw) that "Atheists should...(fill in the blank)" but they shouldn't really. That's a mistake, and one I sometimes make too (to show I really am human and not in actuality a Goddess).
But basically saying that non-belief is a religious position, or a belief system, is kinda silly. It's like saying that people who remain unconvinced of the "power" of Homeopathy are giving a religious/belief system in their continual state of not being convinced by the "evidence" of Homeopaths.
Hitchens also stated that all it is, really, is (and I'm paraphrasing here) somebody who has been presented the evidence of religious texts, and finds it unconvincing. That really isn't a belief system or religious system to say that. And again: everyone is an Atheist to some degree. I venture to guess that most here have heard of Hinduism or Buddhism, or Islam, or even Thorism, have read about it, have read the history of it, and have said "You know what? I'm not convinced that this higher power exists".
Atheists just go one God further. That's all.
=)
I don't know if I'm capable of this discussion right now but here's a few thoughts from my end. As an atheist myself, I find that if one places rules on how to be an atheist it does signify an organization of some fashion. A structure of sorts. When I base it on belief I says that because of the phrase, "I don't believe in a God." At the same time, I cannot prove that to others nor do I attempt to disprove it to others. Therefore it is a personal ideal within my own self.
If one then says there is no God and the universe is primarily a cognitive construct on the basis of No-God how can we be sure given the nature and enormity of the universe and things yet unknown? I'm not admitting to being an agnostic here but just that there is always, chance. The greater answers to question of things yet unknown could be greater or lesser than those described through both theism and atheism.
In the end it's just part of my personal journey. I don't belong to any clubs, churches, or organizations. I also have no interest in "buying in" to the current atheist trend. It's internalized and that's why call it a belief since it is my own internalized opinion.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:33:45pm |
re: #619 Boondock St. Bender
nice nothing like flattening the eyeballs once in a while!
better than sex
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:33:54pm |
re: #610 Boondock St. Bender
perhaps religious based intolerence is a sore subject.some folks have short fuses under the right circumstances.but then again here at lgf...well we've seen lots of folks who seemed normal and rational..even very likeable totally lose it.
I'm proud of myself. I did not allow a very unpleasant argument about religion to happen earlier this evening. YAY ME!
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:34:11pm |
re: #618 Silvergirl
wick is a code?really ...i didn't know that either...umm whats it code for?
(if it's something embaressing or uncomfortable for you then forget i asked.)
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darthstar Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:35:35pm |
re: #616 Boondock St. Bender
skate ...rumor has it that it tastes like scallops(around here they go back in with the sea robins...)
It's quite nice when it's done right.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:36:28pm |
re: #611 jamesfirecat
According to Dave Barry you really don't need to get anywhere on the Autobahn, you can have a perfectly lovely vacation in Germany just driving on the Autobahn...
Probably like how my dad (who has spent a lot of time driving in Boston) felt like back when gas was cheap you could spend a lovely afternoon driving around a rotary screwing with people's heads...
A family friend was having trouble a few years ago, with her sweet elderly mother, who likes to go visit her friends, and drives to see them on the Autobahn.
Apparently, they don't retest you for your license ever in Germany.
Also, apparently after the war, a lot of people applied for new licenses, because they didn't want to carry the one with the swastika.
However, our friend's mother never had this problem. Hers was issued by the Weimar Republic.
Go Granny, Go Go Go!
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:36:48pm |
re: #622 albusteve
got my eye on a charger this spring,i'm thinkin the 5.7(mileage is not a problem i work a mile from my house.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:36:52pm |
re: #613 darthstar
Back from dinner...sauteed skate and green garlic soup with frog legs. Life is good.
Swankayyy. Did you catch any of the pieces yourself?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:36:57pm |
re: #621 Gus 802
I don't know if I'm capable of this discussion right now but here's a few thoughts from my end. As an atheist myself, I find that if one places rules on how to be an atheist it does signify an organization of some fashion. A structure of sorts. When I base it on belief I says that because of the phrase, "I don't believe in a God." At the same time, I cannot prove that to others nor do I attempt to disprove it to others. Therefore it is a personal ideal within my own self.
If one then says there is no God and the universe is primarily a cognitive construct on the basis of No-God how can we be sure given the nature and enormity of the universe and things yet unknown? I'm not admitting to being an agnostic here but just that there is always, chance. The greater answers to question of things yet unknown could be greater or lesser than those described through both theism and atheism.
In the end it's just part of my personal journey. I don't belong to any clubs, churches, or organizations. I also have no interest in "buying in" to the current atheist trend. It's internalized and that's why call it a belief since it is my own internalized opinion.
my atheism is very low on the importance scale...generally I don't even think about it, til it comes up here...otherwise it's just another aspect of my life that means very little...just not important
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:38:02pm |
re: #616 Boondock St. Bender
skate ...rumor has it that it tastes like scallops(around here they go back in with the sea robins...)
What's a 'sea robin'?
Yeah, you fake scallops in a restaurant by cutting circular bits o'skate.
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Gus Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:38:31pm |
re: #629 albusteve
my atheism is very low on the importance scale...generally I don't even think about it, til it comes up here...otherwise it's just another aspect of my life that means very little...just not important
True. I wake up in the morning thinking, "I better get up my shoulder is killing me." Make coffee, worry about the bills. Check the news.
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:38:37pm |
re: #624 Boondock St. Bender
wick is a code?really ...i didn't know that either...umm whats it code for?
(if it's something embaressing or uncomfortable for you then forget i asked.)
Unfortunately, it took on a sexual connotation when I commented on someone's quick temper and used the term short wick. This is how we learn!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:39:02pm |
re: #624 Boondock St. Bender
wick is a code?really ...i didn't know that either...umm whats it code for?
(if it's something embaressing or uncomfortable for you then forget i asked.)
Someone was told he had a short wick, meaning fuse. He thought it referred to the length of his whackadoodle.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:39:08pm |
re: #627 Boondock St. Bender
got my eye on a charger this spring,i'm thinkin the 5.7(mileage is not a problem i work a mile from my house.)
go for a Challenger instead if you can...the Charger is just too ho hum...regardless, I love speed
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:39:59pm |
re: #633 SanFranciscoZionist
Someone was told he had a short wick, meaning fuse. He thought it referred to the length of his whackadoodle.
Hah! Your explanation was much more entertaining than mine.
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Lidane Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:40:04pm |
re: #629 albusteve
my atheism is very low on the importance scale...generally I don't even think about it, til it comes up here...otherwise it's just another aspect of my life that means very little...just not important
Same here. I typically don't even talk about my atheism in my daily life, since my friends and I rarely talk about religion at all. It's one of those topics that just doesn't come up because it's such a highly individual, personal thing.
I'll mention it online, or if someone asks me directly in person, but as a rule it doesn't come up in my daily life, and I don't put much thought towards it.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:41:59pm |
re: #630 SanFranciscoZionist
a sea robin is a fish,it has a large head ,tapering body,with huge side fins that resemble wings(it's an orange/red color)when you catch em'and boat em' they make a croaking noise.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:42:21pm |
re: #626 SanFranciscoZionist
A family friend was having trouble a few years ago, with her sweet elderly mother, who likes to go visit her friends, and drives to see them on the Autobahn.
Apparently, they don't retest you for your license ever in Germany.
Also, apparently after the war, a lot of people applied for new licenses, because they didn't want to carry the one with the swastika.
However, our friend's mother never had this problem. Hers was issued by the Weimar Republic.
Go Granny, Go Go Go!
here she is....
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:42:43pm |
re: #634 albusteve
go for a Challenger instead if you can...the Charger is just too ho hum...regardless, I love speed
Speed is...well, let's just say that back in my motorcycle touring days, I did my best thinking on two wheels at 95 mph on sharply curved two-lanes.
In fact, if we had any sense in this country, you could get a fast bike on your health insurance policy as an aid to productivity.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:44:13pm |
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Gus Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:44:18pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:44:25pm |
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darthstar Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:44:51pm |
re: #628 SanFranciscoZionist
Swankayyy. Did you catch any of the pieces yourself?
Nope...sometimes it's good just to get pampered.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:45:02pm |
re: #634 albusteve
actually i do like the look of them,gotta take the kids to a dealership and see if they all fit inside(the challenger that is)thats why i figured the charger was a better fit.but we'll see.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:45:04pm |
re: #643 LudwigVanQuixote
Tell me the Astral plane bit was a D&D reference :)
Indeed, it was.
Hi, LVQ!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:46:27pm |
re: #637 Boondock St. Bender
a sea robin is a fish,it has a large head ,tapering body,with huge side fins that resemble wings(it's an orange/red color)when you catch em'and boat em' they make a croaking noise.
Not edible?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:46:32pm |
re: #556 Varek Raith
Ahh it was yours, very cool.
The joke of my early teens was a vorpal sword of skull f*ck +3 - and it has der spiky bit.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:46:40pm |
re: #639 Cato the Elder
Speed is...well, let's just say that back in my motorcycle touring days, I did my best thinking on two wheels at 95 mph on sharply curved two-lanes.
In fact, if we had any sense in this country, you could get a fast bike on your health insurance policy as an aid to productivity.
I simply cannot have another bike...I have crashed all three I ever had, demolished one of them...I cannot do bikes anymore, as much as I'd like to...maybe a three wheeled scooter someday, but performance bikes are out of the question...I cannot control myself, or couldn't then anyway
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:46:46pm |
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:47:31pm |
well gotta get up early and take the lil guys to school.(although it is snowing....hmmm)
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Summer Seale Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:48:36pm |
re: #621 Gus 802
I don't know if I'm capable of this discussion right now but here's a few thoughts from my end. As an atheist myself, I find that if one places rules on how to be an atheist it does signify an organization of some fashion. A structure of sorts. When I base it on belief I says that because of the phrase, "I don't believe in a God." At the same time, I cannot prove that to others nor do I attempt to disprove it to others. Therefore it is a personal ideal within my own self.
If one then says there is no God and the universe is primarily a cognitive construct on the basis of No-God how can we be sure given the nature and enormity of the universe and things yet unknown? I'm not admitting to being an agnostic here but just that there is always, chance. The greater answers to question of things yet unknown could be greater or lesser than those described through both theism and atheism.
I totally can't argue this right now either because I'm working on a build project in Maya atm and I totally have to finish it this week sometime.
BUT...
=)
First I would categorize the recent "trends" in Atheism to be in part a reaction to the recent (last few decades) evangalizing of America (and to some Islamization in Europe as well btw). However, I would say too that most of the Atheists in the recent trend have always been Atheist, but were unaware of how many others there were and are finally being vocal about it. Dawkins compares it to the "coming out" movement of Gays a few decades ago, and I agree in part (although I didn't actually witness that). But that is sorta the idea behind what I'm saying.
Second, I actually don't believe that "God" is entirely a personal issue when dealing with holy texts. In fact, I recently was going to write something about this when somebody told me that you can't prove God exists or doesn't exist, and that it remains a personal issue. I disagree and I'll just state my premise really quickly:
The fact is that religious people tend to use all sorts of holy texts to "prove" God and God's words to non-believers. That's a fact. They wouldn't quote the Bible or Koran or Gitas if that wasn't the case. To them, that's proof. How do they know Jesus did things that Christians claim he did? Well, they point to the Bible as "proof".
So if the texts are "proof", and are being used as such, then that's their reasonable argument. To then turn around and say something like "You can't really prove it one way or the other" means they aren't thinking about what they're saying because they just threw away the proof that most Christians (and any other religion with holy texts) have been using for thousands of years to do exactly that: prove that what they say is true/makes sense/is logical/etc...
You can't have your cake and eat it at the same time.
Now, if somebody accepts the Bible as proof but doesn't point to it when being asked questions about their faith, then I would say that is a personal issue. But if they point to their text and say that is why they believe, and that explains it all, they are making a reasoned argument with documentary evidence.
I don't buy the suggestion that holy texts somehow constitute rules outside of accepted debating tactics, nor do I buy the idea that they are to remain outside of the realm of critical thinking if they are used in any way whatsoever to make an argument like any other text.
I'm pretty egalitarian on this issue. =)
Now, do I think I should shove that in most people's faces? No I don't because I am trying not to be a killjoy. But if somebody says something in a forum like this about such things, I feel the need to answer. =)
Not bad for a blonde, huh? =)
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:49:40pm |
re: #648 LudwigVanQuixote
Ahh it was yours, very cool.
The joke of my early teens was a vorpal sword of skull f*ck +3 - and it has der spiky bit.
Well you certainly slay your fair share of anti-science Jabberwocks, so you deserve a vorpal blade. Do you favor a broadsword, a katana, or perhaps a scimitar? :)
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:50:11pm |
re: #645 Boondock St. Bender
actually i do like the look of them,gotta take the kids to a dealership and see if they all fit inside(the challenger that is)thats why i figured the charger was a better fit.but we'll see.
the Challenger is the best of all the repro cars out there, except maybe the new Camaro...but the Challenger looks dramatically like the originals, wow!, and they have a couple of killer drive trains...a bigtime car...alas, not for kids or family
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:50:33pm |
re: #649 albusteve
I simply cannot have another bike...I have crashed all three I ever had, demolished one of them...I cannot do bikes anymore, as much as I'd like to...maybe a three wheeled scooter someday, but performance bikes are out of the question...I cannot control myself, or couldn't then anyway
I have 90k+ miles of accident-free riding on big, fast, powerful German touring bikes. Never had a crotch-rocket. The only reason I stopped riding is because I got into dogs and most canines don't take to riding bitch. I knew some bikers who took their dogs along, but sidecars aren't my thing and to get a dog to ride in a pillion rig (they make them commercially and you can easily install them) takes a special dog or a specially sadistic dog owner.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:51:41pm |
re: #647 SanFranciscoZionist
actually i hear that they are pretty good(not alot of meat on them)not alot of guys keep them.ugly as sin,and the afore mentioned croaking.usually around here(n.j.) the keeper fish are fluke,(summer flounder)weakfish(sea trout),striper,sometimes bluefish.
| 657 |
Gus Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:53:21pm |
| 658 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:54:50pm |
re: #652 Summer
exellent very well written,and reasoned thank you for taking the time to write it.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:56:26pm |
re: #653 Dark_Falcon
Well you certainly slay your fair share of anti-science Jabberwocks, so you deserve a vorpal blade. Do you favor a broadsword, a katana, or perhaps a scimitar? :)
OK if we are going to talk sword pr0n, we might be at it for a while. I love Calvary palaches and straight sabers best of all.
[Link: www.armart.antiquanova.com...]
The Katana is the the greatest cutting sword ever, but, it is very difficult to thrust or parry with. I am of the opinion that I do not need to neatly take off a head in a way that make it present well in a mall box as per Japanese tradition. It is quite sufficient to only sink the blade halfway through the neck, and gain the ability to thrust and parry more quickly. From my fencing and kendo experience, nothing pisses off a swinger more than a stop thrust.
Now if we are talking two handed blades I want the following:
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
or
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
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albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:56:55pm |
re: #655 Cato the Elder
I have 90k+ miles of accident-free riding on big, fast, powerful German touring bikes. Never had a crotch-rocket. The only reason I stopped riding is because I got into dogs and most canines don't take to riding bitch. I knew some bikers who took their dogs along, but sidecars aren't my thing and to get a dog to ride in a pillion rig (they make them commercially and you can easily install them) takes a special dog or a specially sadistic dog owner.
funny...there are lots of sidecars out here in NM...rare elsewhere for obvious reasons, but NM is biker/car/driving heaven...I've seen dogs pulled in little trailers as well as sidecars...but big block Harleys still rule the streets and there is every kind of bike imaginable out here...some very cool choppers and cruisers...bike shops everywhere...I want one of those tandem front wheel jobs...I need to google those things, they are popping up everywhere out here...what the hell are those things?
| 661 |
albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:57:55pm |
| 662 |
Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:57:55pm |
re: #653 Dark_Falcon
Well you certainly slay your fair share of anti-science Jabberwocks, so you deserve a vorpal blade. Do you favor a broadsword, a katana, or perhaps a scimitar? :)
Hmm, a katana or a nodachi... Choices, choices...
...Both.
:P
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lostlakehiker Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:58:00pm |
There is a huge gap between DADT-repeal and the movement to void traditional marriage law.
DADT impinges on rights gays should have, and its repeal, in today's climate of opinion and sensibilities, would not damage military unit cohesion or morale. So, why not?
If the courts decree that no law may limit who can marry, that opens a huge can of worms. Polygamy, standing next in line after gay marriage, makes for a winner-take-all society to an unhealthy degree. Men may be willing to live without any sort of material equality, though revolutions have succeeded on a platform of equalizing property. That the top dogs of society should have not only most of the money, but most of the wives, is just unbearable.
Remember, as you go about winning your rights as you see them, that laws carry consequences not envisioned by their authors. Tread warily.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:58:52pm |
re: #662 Varek Raith
Hmm, a katana or a nodachi... Choices, choices...
...Both.
:P
Indeedy... I do love them too, they would just not be my first choices.
| 665 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 2, 2010 10:59:21pm |
re: #660 albusteve
funny...there are lots of sidecars out here in NM...rare elsewhere for obvious reasons, but NM is biker/car/driving heaven...I've seen dogs pulled in little trailers as well as sidecars...but big block Harleys still rule the streets and there is every kind of bike imaginable out here...some very cool choppers and cruisers...bike shops everywhere...I want one of those tandem front wheel jobs...I need to google those things, they are popping up everywhere out here...what the hell are those things?
I wish I knew. The first time I saw them was in Michigan last summer. Obviously they're street-legal, but beyond that I have no clue.
| 666 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:00:58pm |
re: #660 albusteve
i believe bmw makes them,they drive like a snowmobile.i spoke to an owner in n.h. and thats what he told me.
| 667 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:01:37pm |
re: #659 LudwigVanQuixote
OK if we are going to talk sword pr0n, we might be at it for a while. I love Calvary palaches and straight sabers best of all.
[Link: www.armart.antiquanova.com...]
The Katana is the the greatest cutting sword ever, but, it is very difficult to thrust or parry with. I am of the opinion that I do not need to neatly take off a head in a way that make it present well in a mall box as per Japanese tradition. It is quite sufficient to only sink the blade halfway through the neck, and gain the ability to thrust and parry more quickly. From my fencing and kendo experience, nothing pisses off a swinger more than a stop thrust.
Now if we are talking two handed blades I want the following:
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
or
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
Sabers, eh? Those were lovely, that's for sure. And the guards showed real artistry too. You've got good taste.
| 668 |
albusteve Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:03:02pm |
for old guys and girls I think...that would be me!...anyway...
kickstart...throttle...gearbox...gauges work...brakes
I'm out like Evel Knievel re: #665 Cato the Elder
I wish I knew. The first time I saw them was in Michigan last summer. Obviously they're street-legal, but beyond that I have no clue.
| 669 |
Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:03:11pm |
re: #667 Dark_Falcon
i'll stick with my axe thank you...lol
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:03:40pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:04:30pm |
re: #667 Dark_Falcon
Sabers, eh? Those were lovely, that's for sure. And the guards showed real artistry too. You've got good taste.
If you are interested seriously in swords go to the albion armorers home page and look at their museam line and next generation lines. They faithfully recreate historical blades. You can see about 2500 years of sword development on those pages.
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
ONe year, I will, I really will treat myself to one of those babies :)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:05:58pm |
re: #670 Varek Raith
I confess it looks awesome in a fantasy Anime kind of way, but a rapier would hit you with a thrust and kill you before you could even swing with that. It would weigh 15 lbs at least.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:06:20pm |
re: #672 LudwigVanQuixote
I confess it looks awesome in a fantasy Anime kind of way, but a rapier would hit you with a thrust and kill you before you could even swing with that. It would weigh 15 lbs at least.
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Boondock St. Bender Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:08:39pm |
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mikhailtheplumber Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:20:45pm |
re: #674 Boondock St. Bender
Give me a swift, deadly katana any day.
I would also go for a saber over a rapier for the added "slash" flavor to the never-tiring thrust.
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mikhailtheplumber Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:22:36pm |
re: #671 LudwigVanQuixote
If you are interested seriously in swords go to the albion armorers home page and look at their museam line and next generation lines. They faithfully recreate historical blades. You can see about 2500 years of sword development on those pages.
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
ONe year, I will, I really will treat myself to one of those babies :)
That website, sir, is awesome.
*bows*
| 679 |
Eclectic Infidel Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:25:24pm |
re: #5 idioma
Have you been accused of taking the quote out of context yet?
I won't be down-dinging you. I don't hold Christianity in high regard as others do.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:26:26pm |
re: #674 Boondock St. Bender
[Link: www.trueswords.com...]
here's a sword for ya"
That might actually be a good sword for yours truly. A heavy blade like that is good for larger users, who would have the strength to use it to hack through things and us it to its full potential.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:26:43pm |
re: #673 Varek Raith
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:28:51pm |
re: #407 windsagio
yer leaving, but I'll ask anyways. Why is it so important to you that its not?
It's important only to the extent that that is the truth of the matter. Atheism is not a religion, absence of faith is not a form of faith.
What does it benefit a person of faith to declare atheism a religion? It does nothing to further validate their personal faith to themselves or others, so the canard seems to be simply a tool to take atheists "down a peg".
In this way, it cheapens the beliefs of those who have faith in a way that belligerent atheists do not. It is, in effect, an argument that says "You're philosophy is just as crappy and invalid as my religion".
In my opinion it is an insult to those who know the difference between theism and atheism, as well as an insult to those who have theistic beliefs.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:29:13pm |
re: #680 Dark_Falcon
That might actually be a good sword for yours truly. A heavy blade like that is good for larger users, who would have the strength to use it to hack through things and us it to its full potential.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:29:25pm |
re: #678 mikhailtheplumber
That website, sir, is awesome.
*bows*
Oh yes. They make fabulous blades with a real love of the art that went into them historically.
| 685 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:30:22pm |
re: #680 Dark_Falcon
That might actually be a good sword for yours truly. A heavy blade like that is good for larger users, who would have the strength to use it to hack through things and us it to its full potential.
Yes but it is 440 steel, it would shatter on impact. $40 is great at holding an edge and it makes for a fine knife. However it is not at all good for a sword.
| 686 |
Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:32:56pm |
| 687 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:33:59pm |
re: #680 Dark_Falcon
That might actually be a good sword for yours truly. A heavy blade like that is good for larger users, who would have the strength to use it to hack through things and us it to its full potential.
Big guys, like me, I still have a 50 inch chest and not fat, who like to slash are well suited with something like this.
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
However, I repeat that I prefer the flexibility of being able to thrust as well as cut, so I would recommend:
as well,
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:37:26pm |
re: #687 LudwigVanQuixote
Big guys, like me, I still have a 50 inch chest and not fat, who like to slash are well suited with something like this.
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
However, I repeat that I prefer the flexibility of being able to thrust as well as cut, so I would recommend:
as well,
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
Those prices aren't bad, either.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:37:45pm |
"Gay Behavior Should Be Outlawed" thread turns into discussion about swords, awesome and apropos.
Morgan Valley Forge is again accepting orders. That is all.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:38:12pm |
re: #687 LudwigVanQuixote
Big guys, like me, I still have a 50 inch chest and not fat, who like to slash are well suited with something like this.
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
However, I repeat that I prefer the flexibility of being able to thrust as well as cut, so I would recommend:
as well,
[Link: www.albion-swords.com...]
good ideas. Some day I hope to have the money to buy something like that. Not something I'll be able to do this year, though. Not with what I make.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:41:17pm |
re: #690 Dark_Falcon
good ideas. Some day I hope to have the money to buy something like that. Not something I'll be able to do this year, though. Not with what I make.
Alas me too.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:44:47pm |
Do you also plan on taking lessons?...or have you already?
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Lidane Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:44:50pm |
re: #663 lostlakehiker
If the courts decree that no law may limit who can marry, that opens a huge can of worms. Polygamy, standing next in line after gay marriage, makes for a winner-take-all society to an unhealthy degree.
This is such a tired, old canard. Legalizing gay marriage isn't going to lead to polygamy becoming legal, or people being able to marry their dog, or their sofa, or their child. I really wish people would stop with that ridiculous argument. It's nothing more than a slippery slope fallacy.
Marriage, as has already been established in this country, is a legal contract between two people. That's not going to change at all if gay marriage becomes legal.
All that legalizing gay marriage would do is give same sex couples the same access to that legal contract that heterosexual couples enjoy. it would also give them the rights that go along with it, such as being able to legally visit each other in the hospital, bequeath property, etc. That's it. It's a matter of legal equity. Period.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:48:13pm |
re: #689 goddamnedfrank
"Gay Behavior Should Be Outlawed" thread turns into discussion about swords, awesome and apropos.
Morgan Valley Forge is again accepting orders. That is all.
Good stuff. High in price, but looks ultra-high value too. Katana's were used until the end of WWII. They were served as more of a badge of officer's rank in Japan than a pistol did. Mostly for their history, but in small part because of the weakling Japanese 8mm Nambu pistol round. It proved too weak to provide effective stopping power against troops with their blood up and has never been used again as a combat caliber since its last outing in Chinese and Korean hands during the Korean War. Most Nambu pistols in the US has since been converted to .32 ACP, while is an effective caliber when provided with hollowpoint ammo.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:49:54pm |
re: #694 Dark_Falcon
Good stuff. High in price, but looks ultra-high value too. Katana's were used until the end of WWII. They were served as more of a badge of officer's rank in Japan than a pistol did. Mostly for their history, but in small part because of the weakling Japanese 8mm Nambu pistol round. It proved too weak to provide effective stopping power against troops with their blood up and has never been used again as a combat caliber since its last outing in Chinese and Korean hands during the Korean War. Most Nambu pistols in the US has since been converted to .32 ACP, which is an effective caliber when provided with hollowpoint ammo.
PIMF
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:50:10pm |
re: #675 DodgerFan1988
Gay behavior is not a criminal act.
Let us remember that it was until a fairly recent SCOTUS decision though: Lawrence v Texas.
Insane that it took that long, but there it is.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:52:56pm |
re: #694 Dark_Falcon
From the link
The L6 Super Katana
Modern Tool Steel L-6. I make these blades for the martial arts enthusiast who wants performance and durability first and foremost. A thoroughly modern steel, it is given a proper Japanese sword size and shape for the correct feel, but there is where the similarities end. The heat treatment is strictly twentieth century, and provides a blade that has a body which is very springy at HRC 48-50 and a hard edge that is HRC 57-58. The result is a blade that cuts well, holds a good edge, and flexes instead of bending if the cutting stroke is not so good. great deal of energy to do so. The hamon is a reserved sort of notari line. Under any semblance of "normal use" these blades will never bend, break, take a set, or chip. If "tough" is what you value the most, this is the blade you want.
Ohhhh, me wants! :)
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:55:54pm |
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:57:29pm |
re: #698 Dark_Falcon
Me too. Great blade, if you can afford it.
Yeah, got a high end computer, ~3000, that I'm saving for now. It'll be a couple years before I can afford that sword.
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BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:57:33pm |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
It's worse than that: THE DOG EATED ICEWEASEL'S NEW YORK NIRTH CERTIFIKAT!!111
//
I ain't stepping out of shit-- all my paper's legit.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 3, 2010 12:04:19am |
re: #700 iceweasel
I ain't stepping out of shit-- all my paper's legit.
No doubt, ice, no doubt.
I'm off to bed. Sleep well, all.
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BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Feb 3, 2010 12:13:52am |
re: #701 Dark_Falcon
No doubt, ice, no doubt.
I'm off to bed. Sleep well, all.
Later cutie!
Sorry to kind of rag on brookly red about this, but BR has been snotty to me a few times about NYC-- recently because of the Rockefeller drug laws. I pointed out there'd been a lot of political activism about overturning them and BR sniped at me "Really, I never heard of it and i live here!"
I linked BR to the 2005 NYS legislature decision revising them, and then BR said nasty shit about how interesting it was that someone who 'didn't even live in New York" would know about it.
Wasn't the first time.
Jimmah and our wedding video made it clear I was in NYC, so tonight when BR had a meltdown and accused me of being an 'outside agitator' for merely disagreeing with BR's foolish claims about gay-bashing in Manhattan proving gaybashing was a 'lib problem' -- yeah, I decided to admit I'm a native New Yorker.
To people living in Manhattan, the 'outside agitators' are people in the boroughs who make shit claims about Manhattan.
Bitchslapping was overdue and warranted.
Have a good night!
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Feb 3, 2010 12:24:19am |
To the Puritans who first populated America sinners were criminals, period. Their entire intent was to institute a Kingdom of God on Earth by legislating morality, which is one of the reasons they left Europe, where legislation and morality had already begun to go their separate ways.
| 706 |
...stephen Wed, Feb 3, 2010 1:06:04am |
"If we had a policy where people were considered 'bigoted' if they were opposed to same sex conduct"... then the gays would be just having gay sex with unwilling straight soldiers left and right! God forbid that anyone sounded "bigoted" if they said things like "gays shouldn't join the military" or "gays only view others of the same gender as sex objects first"! I can't believe anyone gives even two seconds to this disgusting individual and his homophobic thought-terminating cliches.
(Off-topic: first post after reading for quite a while now! Go me?)
| 707 |
BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Feb 3, 2010 1:23:09am |
re: #706 MahatmaZero
"If we had a policy where people were considered 'bigoted' if they were opposed to same sex conduct"... then the gays would be just having gay sex with unwilling straight soldiers left and right! God forbid that anyone sounded "bigoted" if they said things like "gays shouldn't join the military" or "gays only view others of the same gender as sex objects first"! I can't believe anyone gives even two seconds to this disgusting individual and his homophobic thought-terminating cliches.
(Off-topic: first post after reading for quite a while now! Go me?)
hey, go you! :)
It's slow now and I think the only people awake are in the thread upstairs.
Good comment, I think you're right. Crazy.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Feb 3, 2010 1:25:17am |
re: #627 Boondock St. Bender
got my eye on a charger this spring,i'm thinkin the 5.7(mileage is not a problem i work a mile from my house.)
I'd go for the Pontiac G8 GXP instead. If you can find one.
| 709 |
BARACK THE VOTE Wed, Feb 3, 2010 1:39:18am |
re: #246 brookly red
no my job is done, your prejudice & stereotyping is out there for all to see, I can move on now.
BTW, how's that 'prejudice and stereotyping' working out for ya? Not so hot, I think, given that you've been the one trying (and hilariously failing!) to stereotype me.
Like you assuming I'm not even American for lo these many months. Which I refused to correct.
How about the assumption that you get to tell me what NYC is like? Especially when it comes to talking about gaybashing in NYC?
You do know gaybashing happens in Manhattan most, right? In certain neighbourhoods.
And you don't even live in Manhattan.
Ptooy on you and other idiots who want to talk shit about manhattan, and you don't even live here.
I spit on you bridge and tunnel types who sneer at manhattan even while you crave to speak for it.
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amrafel Wed, Feb 3, 2010 2:02:15am |
I thought Aubrey Sarvis could've done a much better job. When he was spittin' out those survey results, he was great. (He could've handled Sprigg's counter survey results better.) But Sarvis didn't seem to address what to me was a key question. He says that no one should have to lie in order to serve their country. I agree with that. But -- now this isn't really me asking, but Sprigg, probably -- isn't that the problem that "don't ask don't tell" was supposed to eliminate?
I thought Sprigg was going to defend "don't ask don't tell." I guess it shouldn't have, but it surprised me that he rejected that "compromise" and went for the extreme.
| 712 |
ryannon Wed, Feb 3, 2010 2:27:12am |
re: #660 albusteve
funny...there are lots of sidecars out here in NM...rare elsewhere for obvious reasons, but NM is biker/car/driving heaven...I've seen dogs pulled in little trailers as well as sidecars...but big block Harleys still rule the streets and there is every kind of bike imaginable out here...some very cool choppers and cruisers...bike shops everywhere...I want one of those tandem front wheel jobs...I need to google those things, they are popping up everywhere out here...what the hell are those things?
I don't know if this is what you mean, but they've been selling well in Paris for several years now. They're essentially 125cc scooters with dual front wheels - meaning that they're extremely stable. Fine for cities, but for obvious reasons, not really touring machines. All the big French, Italian and Japanese manufacturers offer them at prices ranging from $5,000 to $8,000. Here's a video of one (in French):
[Link: www.linternaute.com...]
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amrafel Wed, Feb 3, 2010 5:11:26am |
I was wondering what source Sprigg was using, so after a little digging, I found this:
[Link: cmrlink.org...]
"As of January 2010, a formal statement of support for the 1993 Eligibility Law,
addressed to the President and Members of Congress, has been personally signed by 1,164
retired Flag & General Officers for the Military, 51 of them of four-star rank. The statement
concludes:
“Our past experience as military leaders leads us to be greatly concerned about the impact of
repeal on morale, discipline, unit cohesion, and overall military readiness. We believe that
imposing this burden on our men and women in uniform would undermine recruiting and
retention, impact leadership at all echelons, have adverse effects of the willingness of parents
who lend their sons and daughters to military service, and eventually break the All-Voluntary
Force.”
“As a matter of national security, we urge you to support the 1993 law regarding homosexuals
in the military (Section 654, Title 10), and to oppose any legislative, judicial, or
administrative effort to repeal or invalidate the law.”
I did not compare these numbers to those military men and women who disagree.
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Ericus58 Wed, Feb 3, 2010 5:59:15am |
What a fucktard....
Being retired USN, I feel I can speak with knowledge and experience to the core idiot beliefs of this tool and anyone else like-minded.
I worked for, with and lead gay service members.
There was no "mystery" of their sexual preference - both male and female.
I never witnessed or experienced anyone trying to get into my knickers. Most served with the integrity and honor that being in the US military required. As in real life, a persons character is not dependent upon their sexual orientation but on their choices and acts.
I reject any attempt by any group to side-line the gay community in our armed forces, and find it beyond the pale.
| 716 |
abolitionist Wed, Feb 3, 2010 6:16:21am |
re: #606 Cato the Elder
Fact is, most interstates are engineered so that 100 mph would be a perfectly safe speed. The rest is politics.
Gawd, I miss the German Autobahn.
Unfortunately, tires are not --especially tires 6 or more years old, sold as new.
| 717 |
What, me worry? Wed, Feb 3, 2010 6:32:39am |
re: #713 amrafel
Interesting. They refer to repealing the ban on gays as the "open-ended radical LGBT law". And they even have Powerpoints to prove it!!
Gays have always served in the military, forever and ever. I'm not sure what they think "openly" really means. That they'll be dancing around in silk olive drab undies. DADT has been used against them and we have to put a stop to it.
| 718 |
drcordell Wed, Feb 3, 2010 6:41:50am |
Even though I knew it was coming, it's still shocking to me to watch this idiot from the FRC proclaim on national television that he thinks homosexuality should be illegal. These people are so far off the right end it's unbelievable. If Reagan were alive today they would be marching in the streets burning pictures of him wearing a Hitler mustache. Unbelievable.
| 719 |
Vambo Wed, Feb 3, 2010 6:42:25am |
this is why I'll always take the left-wing "big government" over the right wing's version.
| 720 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 3, 2010 6:42:29am |
re: #716 abolitionist
Unfortunately, tires are not --especially tires 6 or more years old, sold as new.
The entire driving system would have to be safe at 100 mph--including the herds of idiots on the road. The overall system is tuned to produce a tolerable 40,000 deaths per annum at about 65mph.
| 721 |
pyrodoctor Wed, Feb 3, 2010 6:49:36am |
That's just gay .
My son (21) believes that this is the civil rights struggle of his generation and I agree with him.
We have so many more important issues to be concerned about than dealing with curtailing the rights of a segment of the population.
I find it amazing that the same people who insist on a literal interpretation of the bible are the same ones that not only miss the point about loving your neighbor as yourself but they selectively cherry pick which of the old testament prohibitions they insist on making everyone follow. Hypocrites!
| 722 |
Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 3, 2010 6:54:15am |
I'm still recovering from 3 hours of Lost last night, but I listened to the first half of this video.
Obviously the issue is the usual homophobia by some people of god.
I believe heterosexual sex is also forbidden when serving. Gays who have sex when they shouldn't, should get canned just like heterosexuals would. The same applies to inappropriate advances, in both cases.
No doubt a few people won't get that principle. So what?
No doubt a few homophobes will act the same as some misogynists. So what?
| 723 |
ragnwald Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:14:40am |
re: #721 pyrodoctor
I find it amazing that the same people who insist on a literal interpretation of the bible are the same ones that not only miss the point about loving your neighbor as yourself but they selectively cherry pick which of the old testament prohibitions they insist on making everyone follow. Hypocrites!
Indeed! I wonder how, with all that killing, genocide, incest, death, destruction and pestilence right next to "turn the other cheek" and "love thy neighbor as thyself", how can anyone claim to take the bible literally without their head exploding? Ancient texts cannot be understood without a solid knowledge of the historical context in which they were written - no matter what ancient book you pick to be your favorite. Cherry-picking is exactly what you do if you want to get "opium for the people" and that's exactly what the wingnuts are doing: manipulate the uneducated masses. With public education in shambles, this might well work. Enlightenment in full reverse, creation in six days, no global warming, vaccines cause autism, homeopathy heals, the earth is flat and the sky is green. Is there no limit to stupidity or the gall of the people promoting stupidity as a virtue?
| 724 |
middy Wed, Feb 3, 2010 7:58:45am |
re: #285 Cato the Elder
Ah... your typical fencepost error. I deal with it all the time programming computers.
| 725 |
Vambo Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:09:18am |
re: #723 ragnwald
Indeed! I wonder how, with all that killing, genocide, incest, death, destruction and pestilence right next to "turn the other cheek" and "love thy neighbor as thyself", how can anyone claim to take the bible literally without their head exploding? Ancient texts cannot be understood without a solid knowledge of the historical context in which they were written - no matter what ancient book you pick to be your favorite. Cherry-picking is exactly what you do if you want to get "opium for the people" and that's exactly what the wingnuts are doing: manipulate the uneducated masses. With public education in shambles, this might well work. Enlightenment in full reverse, creation in six days, no global warming, vaccines cause autism, homeopathy heals, the earth is flat and the sky is green. Is there no limit to stupidity or the gall of the people promoting stupidity as a virtue?
I want to know if these people consult a priest when they have mold in their house. (from Leviticus)
| 726 |
uncah91 Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:29:57am |
I recently finished reading "Misquoting Jesus" by Bart Ehrman.
Fascinating read about how it hard it is to know what the original text of the new testament was and the many ways ot changed from copy to copy.
Linky
| 727 |
Blueheron Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:45:21am |
Williams travels to U.S. for heart surgery theglobeandmail.com (clicks: 0)
The heart and soul of Newfoundland politics is in for repair – and it's not in his home province or even in Canada, for that matter.
Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams is scheduled for heart surgery in the United States, a move that throws into question his province's and his nation's health-care system.
A source confirmed to The Globe and Mail late Monday that Mr. Williams has left St. John's for an undisclosed destination in the U.S. to have heart surgery later in the week.
The 59-year-old Conservative left Monday morning, spokeswoman Elizabeth Matthews said, without disclosing his location. While some of his critics were tight-lipped Monday night, the online public questioned his exodus – why the care he needed was not available in Canada, or whether he preferred treatment in the U.S.
His departure for a U.S. hospital is being met with both sympathy and anger as few details have emerged.
snip..
The remaining details are expected to be revealed at a news conference today by Deputy Premier Kathy D
| 729 |
lostlakehiker Wed, Feb 3, 2010 8:53:14am |
re: #693 Lidane
This is such a tired, old canard. Legalizing gay marriage isn't going to lead to polygamy becoming legal, or people being able to marry their dog, or their sofa, or their child. I really wish people would stop with that ridiculous argument. It's nothing more than a slippery slope fallacy.
Marriage, as has already been established in this country, is a legal contract between two people. That's not going to change at all if gay marriage becomes legal.
All that legalizing gay marriage would do is give same sex couples the same access to that legal contract that heterosexual couples enjoy. it would also give them the rights that go along with it, such as being able to legally visit each other in the hospital, bequeath property, etc. That's it. It's a matter of legal equity. Period.
All that legalizing polygamous marriage would do is give loving triples and quadruples the same access to that legal contract that couples enjoy. It would also give them the rights that go along with it, such as being able to legally visit each other in the hospital, bequeath property, etc. That's it. It's a matter of legal equity. Period.
Oh? But it's not. You know that. I know that. We both know that there are other dimensions. So the question is, when you argue your case before newly-friendly courts, are you going to argue on broad grounds, and win on broad grounds, and then act surprised when the letter of the ruling you won turns out to sanction polygamy? Or are you going to tread warily, and break only that part of the structure of traditional society that stands directly in the way of what you want?
| 730 |
Flavia Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:08:02am |
re: #12 idioma
Leviticus 20:13
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."It's in the good book™
It means that no man can commit anal penetration on another. Since the bulk of those who do that are already in jail, problem solved, right?
More seriously - there's lots in Torah that is condemned. Lots more than just that one act. And yet, how often do you read of anyone actually being punished for the multitude of things condemned? Very rarely. And why is that? Because it's near-impossible to get a conviction. Without going into too many details (none of you signed up for a course in Judaism taught by a non-professional!), I will simply point out 2 things:
a) it is also against Jewish law to go snooping around your neighbor's house to see what s/he is doing
b) a bet din (or Sanhedrin) that killed more than once in 70 years was called a "murdering Sanhedrin".
That should tell you something about Judaism that most people never bother to think about.
Now, that said - the only ones who deserve to be locked up are sick hatemongers like Peter Sprigg & Bryan Fischer - but you don't see us demanding it, do you?
| 732 |
Varek Raith Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:11:19am |
re: #731 CarryOn
Deflection. Care to comment on this tool wanting to outlaw homosexuality?
| 733 |
CarryOn Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:39:20am |
re: #732 Varek Raith
I want government out of our lives as much as possible.
Sexuality isn't any of this man's business. He is a fool. And any lawmaker who would listen to him is a fool. I can't stand that sexuality is ever discussed. I think there's plenty of work to do in Washington without worrying about John and Jack or Beth and Kelly or even John Edwards and his two families.
But looks to me like this website is obsessed with attacking right leaning looneys.
| 734 |
I Am Kreniigh! Wed, Feb 3, 2010 9:45:41am |
So many comments already... This will probably only get seen by the diehards, but oh well.
Last night I was thinking about the unifying principles behind a lot of social conservatism, and I suddenly had this image of a gene sitting inside a person's head, wielding reins and a whip. That is, the "selfish gene" of Dawkins' theory is in the driver's seat, and overriding any memes that challenge it.
Think about it. Homosexuality? BAD because genes do not get passed on. Abortion? Ditto. People who don't look like us? Genetic competitors. And above all, protect the children! Protect the family! Protect reproductive marriage! (But we'll forgive you if you're a man and you fool around on the side, or get divorced, because, hey, spread that genetic material around!)
It's a rough idea and it's probably crap, but I was looking for an underlying motivation that is not only blind to reason/logic, but (from its own point of view) *justifiably* blind. No reasoning with a gene.
Whaddaya think, sirs?
| 735 |
Lidane Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:17:21am |
re: #729 lostlakehiker
All that legalizing polygamous marriage would do is give loving triples and quadruples the same access to that legal contract that couples enjoy. It would also give them the rights that go along with it, such as being able to legally visit each other in the hospital, bequeath property, etc. That's it. It's a matter of legal equity. Period.
That's cute, but you're still wrong. We're not suddenly going to legalize polygamy in this country. At all. No matter what happens with gay marriage.
We've had plenty of time as a society to get used to the idea of relationships involving a couple. Polygamy had to be formally outlawed before Utah was allowed in as a state. Bans on polygamy were also *mandated* in every other Western state admitted to the US after Utah in order to prevent polygamists from simply leaving the state and moving elsewhere.
Polyamory, despite its growing presence on the internets, is still a long, long way off from any sort of social acceptance, if it ever gets accepted at all. If society had any sort of acceptance for relationships involving multiple partners, we wouldn't flip our shit when someone looks outside their marriage or relationship for another, and we wouldn't bat an eyelash at the FLDS compounds or any of that.
The bottom line is that arguing that legalizing gay marriage will somehow lead to polygamy is just a slippery slope. It's like arguing that legalizing weed will lead to PCP suddenly being sold over the counter. Won't happen. Ever.
| 736 |
Jaerik Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:19:31am |
Defining "gay" as the behavior of engaging in homosexual activity, rather than an immutable orientation that manifests as a fundamental compulsion, is an incredibly effective defense mechanism for insecure authoritarians, desperate to rationalize away their own stray thoughts.
It's a very personal thing with these people. As long as they can fight against any social change that implies sexual orientation is innate, rather than a chosen behavior, their own personal defenses remain valid. That's why they directly link something that logically shouldn't effect them, like gay marriage, to the downfall of an idealized society that has only ever existed in their own head.
| 737 |
Eclectic Infidel Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:31:34am |
| 738 |
Varek Raith Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:33:55am |
re: #733 CarryOn
Cause the looneys hold substantial power in the GOP. Watch, not one GOPer will denounce this group, not one.
| 739 |
Vambo Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:40:22am |
re: #729 lostlakehiker
All that legalizing polygamous marriage would do is give loving triples and quadruples the same access to that legal contract that couples enjoy. It would also give them the rights that go along with it, such as being able to legally visit each other in the hospital, bequeath property, etc. That's it. It's a matter of legal equity. Period.
Oh? But it's not. You know that. I know that. We both know that there are other dimensions. So the question is, when you argue your case before newly-friendly courts, are you going to argue on broad grounds, and win on broad grounds, and then act surprised when the letter of the ruling you won turns out to sanction polygamy? Or are you going to tread warily, and break only that part of the structure of traditional society that stands directly in the way of what you want?
Yes.
Anyway, allowing same-sex couples to marry doesn't change the contract in any way, except for the fact that's it now "two people" of any combination. The illegality of same-sex marriage could also be considered gender discrimination - there's no such thing as "quantity discrimination" to defend polygamy.
| 740 |
Diane Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:56:33am |
Peter Sprigg's ugly statement deserve to be thrown right back in his little face.
I remember very well, I used to be slammed here by a gang of blood thirsty "lgf-ers" when I would stand politely for equal rights no matter the sex orientation. I trembled in my boots many times and still does sometimes...
Homophobia like sexism, racism or any hatred based on differences was always and will always be uncool, repulsive...
Although there are disruptive intolerant looneys on both sides, there are lots of good people on both sides and I look for that.
| 742 |
Stevie the K Wed, Feb 3, 2010 11:54:00am |
How much you wanna bet this guy does his wife "d-style"...so then where's the distinction?
Just sayin'.
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March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
Rightwingconspirator
Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
