The first National Tea Party/Birther Convention in Nashville is on C-SPAN today. Here’s the page where you can watch over the web: C-SPAN Live Stream.
UPDATE at 2/6/10 11:34:06 am:
Oh well, they’ve cut away now. The next broadcast will be at 6 pm Pacific, for the $100,000 speech of ex-governor Sarah Palin.
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Locker Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:06:21am |
I appreciate the link but I just can't watch that and remain sane. Much respect to those of you who can stand the sewage enough to inform the rest of us.
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webevintage Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:12:11am |
Thank God for the mute button, when they get really annoying I just hit that button for awhile.
I kinda feel bad for the gal talking right now, I think there might be 20 people listening to her in that big room.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:14:06am |
I really like how Tancredo went on and basically advocated getting rid of our multicultural society and enacting for Jim Crow era laws to keep blacks away from the voting booths.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:15:27am |
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:15:59am |
On the last string, I jokingly mentioned a hypothetical drone homing on tea-party propaganda by mistake but it may not be a joke to some. Aren't there tea-party types, or at least Paulians, who actually believe that the census will be used to get the GPS coordinates of their homes for possible drone attack? I seem to remember reading that somewhere.
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webevintage Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:17:14am |
Homemakers for America...sigh, of course they hate feminists.
Why can't one be a "homemaker" and still be a feminist?
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:18:59am |
re: #8 webevintage
Homemakers for America...sigh, of course they hate feminists.
Why can't one be a "homemaker" and still be a feminist?
Of course one can.
What they really mean by that name, though, is that doing anything other than being a homemaker is being an eeevil feminist.
Which as we all know has been destroying American civilisation.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:19:22am |
re: #6 Shiplord Kirel
On the last string, I jokingly mentioned a hypothetical drone homing on tea-party propaganda by mistake but it may not be a joke to some. Aren't there tea-party types, or at least Paulians, who actually believe that the census will be used to get the GPS coordinates of their homes for possible drone attack? I seem to remember reading that somewhere.
That was bouncing around at the time of Rep. Bachmann's comments, but I don't think the drone bit goes back to her.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:19:42am |
re: #10 iceweasel
Of course one can.
What they really mean by that name, though, is that doing anything other than being a homemaker is being an eeevil feminist.
Which as we all know has been destroying American civilisation.
This needs to be amended to say 'being female and'.
In their worlds, there is no such thing as a male feminist.
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keloyd Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:19:53am |
Some people I know who live in newer, bigger houses, have the pleasure of dealing with these little angry napoleons in their neighborhood associations. All the stereotypes on the news and one episode of the X Files are all true. I'm getting the same vibe from this "Abigail Adams Projects" - half bully, half hypocrite, half stoopid, and half unknowing tool of other interests.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:20:59am |
i'm trying to think of a drinking game i could play to go along with this, but all of them would probably kill me after about 45 minutes.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:22:04am |
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Girth Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:22:14am |
re: #16 SpaceJesus
i'm trying to think of a drinking game i could play to go along with this, but all of them would probably kill me after about 45 minutes.
Is Palin's speech gonna be on CSPAN tonight? I may need to make a beer run.
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allegro Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:22:27am |
re: #8 webevintage
Homemakers for America...sigh, of course they hate feminists.
Why can't one be a "homemaker" and still be a feminist?
That would require logical thought and an understanding of feminism.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:23:28am |
re: #18 Girth
Is Palin's speech gonna be on CSPAN tonight? I may need to make a beer run.
i'm saving up all my drunken left-wing anger for my inebriated tirade during tomorrow's Tebow superbowl ad.
can't blow all of it just yet.
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Linden Arden Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:24:23am |
I'm puzzled by what these people mean by their repetitive "go back to the Constitution" statement.
Having a Teabagger explain it might be seriously awkward.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:25:15am |
re: #8 webevintage
Homemakers for America...sigh, of course they hate feminists.
Why can't one be a "homemaker" and still be a feminist?
I'm a homemaker (it's on my taxes!), but I'm post-feminist.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:25:45am |
Isn't there some other break-out session they can switch to?
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allegro Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:25:49am |
re: #22 Linden Arden
I'm puzzled by what these people mean by their repetitive "go back to the Constitution" statement.
I believe that's teabagger dog-whistle for "there's a black guy in the white house" his presadency is illegitimate.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:26:07am |
re: #22 Linden Arden
I'm puzzled by what these people mean by their repetitive "go back to the Constitution" statement.
Having a Teabagger explain it might be seriously awkward.
Mostly, limited powers of the federal gov't
I know there are some that want it to mean much much more than that though
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webevintage Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:26:09am |
re: #18 Girth
Is Palin's speech gonna be on CSPAN tonight? I may need to make a beer run.
Looks like it, they have a notation with the camera next to it with 9PM ET.
I feel the need to get myself a surf and turf dinner while watching...
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Surabaya Stew Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:26:20am |
re: #16 SpaceJesus
i'm trying to think of a drinking game i could play to go along with this, but all of them would probably kill me after about 45 minutes.
45 minutes to kill you? Boy, are you getting on in years; didn't it take 3 hours before?
/
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Ojoe Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:26:29am |
Well we need a better alternative than this tea bag stuff.
Check out the Modern Whig Party, We've updated our website, here is the link:
The Whig Party website.
No kidding. This is for real, & we're not going away.
How Do We Plan To Avoid The Same Path That Brought The Destruction
Of Other Third Parties?
The Modern Whig Party is essentially rewriting the book on building a
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At the same time, the Modern Whigs are realistic about the tough road
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along with our roots among our veterans, has proven to offer voters of all
political stripes a viable, rational and non-fringe political home.
Plenty more on the Website. Check out the Membership primer.
& happy weekend all.
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Girth Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:26:59am |
re: #20 SpaceJesus
i'm saving up all my drunken left-wing anger for my inebriated tirade during tomorrow's Tebow superbowl ad.
can't blow all of it just yet.
Eh...I don't care about the ad. I don't like it, but he's got every right to do it. As long as he doesn't play the persecuted victim card afterward. He has the right to say whatever he wants, but everybody else has just as much right to call him on his shit afterwards.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:27:21am |
re: #28 Surabaya Stew
45 minutes to kill you? Boy, are you getting on in years; didn't it take 3 hours before?
/
And not with beer
nails ,,,, swords ,,,,, that whole uponacrossinthesunallday thing!
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webevintage Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:27:29am |
re: #20 SpaceJesus
i'm saving up all my drunken left-wing anger for my inebriated tirade during tomorrow's Tebow superbowl ad.
You mean the advertisment for the Tebow family's ministry?
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:27:31am |
Christian Coalition...Non partisan...Yeah, sure...
Drink!
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subsailor68 Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:27:41am |
re: #24 wrenchwench
Isn't there some other break-out session they can switch to?
I saw a couple of minutes this morning and the guy who founded (or set up this convention) announced that the next session would be in the same room, so it may be that they're only doing one thing at a time.
Which may be a clue as to their ability to multi-task?
;-)
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SpaceJesus Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:27:52am |
re: #28 Surabaya Stew
45 minutes to kill you? Boy, are you getting on in years; didn't it take 3 hours before?
/
they didn't have bulleit bourbon back then
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:28:04am |
My wife had on one of the national TV morning shows this morning and the characterized Tea Partier's as desiring fiscal conservatism. I laughed out loud.
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:28:12am |
Has anybody linked to this dust up between Breitbart and Farah yet?[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:28:16am |
re: #22 Linden Arden
I'm puzzled by what these people mean by their repetitive "go back to the Constitution" statement.
Having a Teabagger explain it might be seriously awkward.
I'm still trying to figure out what this woman is babbling about. "Ready Patriots" to be at the ready....for what?
I'm checking out Homemakers for America though; this is interesting:
Family
21. We believe it is our duty as citizens to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.
22. We believe mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children and that mothers and fathers are to work to together and help each other as equal partners.
23. We believe the power of procreation to be a gift to be shared between a man and a woman, lawfully married.
24. We believe that marriage is ordained of God and is to be between man and woman.
Number 23: Exactly how is it proposed that the 'power of procreation' be restricted to only men and women lawfully married?
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:28:23am |
re: #27 webevintage
Looks like it, they have a notation with the camera next to it with 9PM ET.
I feel the need to get myself a surf and turf dinner while watching...
Moose and salmon?
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SpaceJesus Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:28:48am |
re: #32 webevintage
You mean the advertisment for the Tebow family's ministry?
the anti-abortion one
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philosophus invidius Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:28:57am |
Obamao must be really incompetent at running his Socialist Propaganda/Indoctrination Machine®. Keeping the Tea Party convention off of C-SPAN should have been a top priority!
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:29:36am |
re: #30 Girth
Eh...I don't care about the ad. I don't like it, but he's got every right to do it. As long as he doesn't play the persecuted victim card afterward. He has the right to say whatever he wants, but everybody else has just as much right to call him on his shit afterwards.
What shit?
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Surabaya Stew Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:30:02am |
re: #31 sattv4u2
And not with beer
nails ,,, swords ,,, that whole uponacrossinthesunallday thing!
Exactly; seems to be that the bottle is mightier than the sword.....
/
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:30:04am |
re: #38 iceweasel
The only way to actually do that would be forced abortions for unmarried people.
Or, I dunno, take their kids away and give them to married couples.
It's some sick shit.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:30:08am |
re: #41 philosophus invidius
Obamao must be really incompetent at running his Socialist Propaganda/Indoctrination Machine®. Keeping the Tea Party convention off of C-SPAN should have been a top priority!
I think it's a hoot that C-SPAN is tax-supported.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:30:08am |
re: #38 iceweasel
Number 23: Exactly how is it proposed that the 'power of procreation' be restricted to only men and women lawfully married?
Chastity belts.
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webevintage Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:31:13am |
re: #40 SpaceJesus
the anti-abortion one
Yeah, in the end it is really an ad for his family's "ministry" they run.
And man, if I was one of those folks who got laid-off by FOTF last year I think pissed would not even describe how I would feel about them spending so much money on a TV ad.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:31:27am |
That was not very well attended, it looks like.
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keloyd Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:31:47am |
re: #20 SpaceJesus
i'm saving up all my drunken left-wing anger for my inebriated tirade during tomorrow's Tebow superbowl ad.
can't blow all of it just yet.
I just looked up some of those Biblical passages the other players are putting on their makeup (if that's the right word). They're just not doing it right.
There's plenty of red meat, old school killing people and breaking stuff Pulp Fiction content (like Ezekiel 25:17) to choose from. Football players on company time don't have any business holding hands singing kumbaya and turning the other cheek, imho.
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Surabaya Stew Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:31:55am |
re: #35 SpaceJesus
they didn't have bulleit bourbon back then
That's some strong stuff! Are you drinking straight from the bottle or from a sponge?
/
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philosophus invidius Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:32:40am |
re: #22 Linden Arden
I'm puzzled by what these people mean by their repetitive "go back to the Constitution" statement.
Having a Teabagger explain it might be seriously awkward.
Area Man Tea Party Speaker Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be
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Linden Arden Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:33:25am |
re: #26 sattv4u2
Mostly, limited powers of the federal gov't
Reasonable.
But the 16th Amendment allowed income taxes at the federal level. The 14th guaranteed rights for all despite the state protests.
Other federal government outgrowths have been ruled Constitutional.
I would not expect any valid argument from one of them.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:33:28am |
re: #45 Obdicut
The only way to actually do that would be forced abortions for unmarried people.
Or, I dunno, take their kids away and give them to married couples.
It's some sick shit.
I know these people (HfA) are mixed up with all kinds of evil shit. They basically want a theocractic Handmaids Tale kind of America with women's fertility central and reproductive choices tightly regulated.
They envision a world where no one is ever having sex before or outside of marriage, etc. Gay people wouldn't exist. etc.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:34:05am |
re: #51 Surabaya Stew
That's some strong stuff! Are you drinking straight from the bottle or from a sponge?
/
the second best thing about it is the little story that comes with every bottle
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:34:30am |
The organizers of this convention are going to lose their shirts.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:35:16am |
re: #47 Jeff In Ohio
Chastity belts.
Not only chastity belts, but you'd have to have a total ban on IVF and reproductive technology accessed by anyone who wasn't 'a man and a woman lawfully married'.
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webevintage Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:35:24am |
Well Tea Party is gone and the speech the President gave to the DNC(?) this morning is on now.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:35:50am |
re: #56 Charles
That's a silver lining of this cloud of incoherence and idiocy.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:35:59am |
re: #48 webevintage
Yeah, in the end it is really an ad for his family's "ministry" they run.
And man, if I was one of those folks who got laid-off by FOTF last year I think pissed would not even describe how I would feel about them spending so much money on a TV ad.
Yeah, like the $3,500,000.00 of our tax dollars being spent to publicize the Census in a commercial tomorrow.
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Surabaya Stew Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:36:12am |
re: #55 SpaceJesus
the second best thing about it is the little story that comes with every bottle
Does the story come with the bottle or does it come in the aftermath of the bottle? I'd think that one had better have a damn good story at either end of a drinking bout with that stuff!
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Political Atheist Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:37:12am |
OT
The burn areas north of Los Angeles got flooded with 6" or more of rain in thunderstorms. 9 homes destroyed. Inexplicable, LAFD did not use reverse 9-11 for evacuations. Freshly emptied debris basins got full and over-ran. Evacuations and further warnings are at hand.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:37:15am |
re: #38 iceweasel
Number 23: Exactly how is it proposed that the 'power of procreation' be restricted to only men and women lawfully married?
By using the power of big, invasive government, of course.
Not the evil, liberal/socialist/commie big government, either. Just the good old-fashioned, patriotic American big government that tells you who you can and can't fall in love with, who you can and can't have sex with, and when you can have sex, since procreation trumps everything else. =P
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webevintage Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:37:36am |
re: #61 MandyManners
Yeah, like the $3,500,000.00 of our tax dollars being spent to publicize the Census in a commercial tomorrow.
I agree.
If people are too stupid or pig headed to know that filling out the census is good for the are you live in then screw them.
Hopefully Michelle Bachmen's district will all refuse to fill one out.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:38:01am |
re: #62 Surabaya Stew
Does the story come with the bottle or does it come in the aftermath of the bottle? I'd think that one had better have a damn good story at either end of a drinking bout with that stuff!
ha, sometimes both. but it comes with a little background story about the bourbon itself, which i like to read at some point before blacking out.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:38:09am |
re: #57 iceweasel
Not only chastity belts, but you'd have to have a total ban on IVF and reproductive technology accessed by anyone who wasn't 'a man and a woman lawfully married'.
God forbid, there will be none of that frankenstein shit in Reconstitutionalized America.
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allegro Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:38:55am |
re: #61 MandyManners
Yeah, like the $3,500,000.00 of our tax dollars being spent to publicize the Census in a commercial tomorrow.
I believe the price tag is about $2.5 million and the justification behind it could be to overcome the Michelle Bachmann et al lunacy about the evil census gathering intel to come and take them away at first opportunity to put them in FEMA camps... or something.
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Jeff In Ohio Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:39:02am |
re: #61 MandyManners
Yeah, like the $3,500,000.00 of our tax dollars being spent to publicize the Census in a commercial tomorrow.
Will this have any dudes making out? If not, I'm against it.
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Lateralis Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:39:21am |
re: #48 webevintage
I believe the money was donated specifically for the ad.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:40:49am |
re: #64 Lidane
By using the power of big, invasive government, of course.
Not the evil, liberal/socialist/commie big government, either. Just the good old-fashioned, patriotic American big government that tells you who you can and can't fall in love with, who you can and can't have sex with, and when you can have sex, since procreation trumps everything else. =P
Exactly. You know, just like it says in the Constitution. //
i think these HfA people believe that children either need to be born only to 'men and women lawfully married'...OR that children born in other circumstances need to be taken away from their parent(s).
I'm serious. I think they support that second one.
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Surabaya Stew Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:42:07am |
re: #66 SpaceJesus
ha, sometimes both. but it comes with a little background story about the bourbon itself, which i like to read at some point before blacking out.
Oh, an actual story on the label itself about the history and making of the bourbon....thats the kind of thing that I love to read (even though I can barely handle a half glass of wine myself!) Do you ever preform miracles while drunk? Now that would make for some great stories....
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allegro Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:42:31am |
re: #72 iceweasel
OR that children born in other circumstances need to be taken away from their parent(s).
I'm serious. I think they support that second one.
That can be supported with the so-called Pregnancy Crisis Centers that try to talk young, unmarried white women to continue their pregnancies in order to place their children for adoption. Quite a racket.
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MandyManners Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:43:34am |
re: #68 allegro
Just $2.5M? Why, that's a freakin' bargain!
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allegro Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:44:13am |
re: #75 Lateralis
How is that a racket?
I knew someone was gonna ask that. Lemme go fetch some linkies.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:45:48am |
re: #73 Surabaya Stew
Oh, an actual story on the label itself about the history and making of the bourbon...thats the kind of thing that I love to read (even though I can barely handle a half glass of wine myself!) Do you ever preform miracles while drunk? Now that would make for some great stories...
SpaceJesus while drunk...
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Firstinla Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:48:19am |
Local freakout: HofA woman talking when I went to kitchen to make a sandwich, came back to computer and Obama is talking. I thought he was addressing the Teabaggers. First thought: stop the world, please. I want to get off now.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:48:40am |
They talk about how they're for "freedom" yet they want to tell gay and lesbian couples that they can't have the same rights as straight couples. And they talk about how they don't like excessive spending, where were they when Bush spent like crazy. The Tea Party Movement to me is just a bunch of bitter right wingers upset that Obama won the election and now has an irrational hatred of everything the man does or says.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:50:28am |
re: #80 HappyWarrior
They talk about how they're for "freedom" yet they want to tell gay and lesbian couples that they can't have the same rights as straight couples. And they talk about how they don't like excessive spending, where were they when Bush spent like crazy. The Tea Party Movement to me is just a bunch of bitter right wingers upset that Obama won the election and now has an irrational hatred of everything the man does or says.
Freedom for me but not for thee. That's HfA in a nut shell.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:53:37am |
i wouldn't watch that bullshit on TV if you paid me ...
On the other hand, Megyn Kelly is more attractive than ever ... motherhood suits her well!
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:54:51am |
Any reports of Birch Society encounters at the Tea Party? They are there but I haven't seen any reports.
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austin_blue Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:57:58am |
Thirty one inches on the ground at my sister's house just south of Baltimore.
Jeebus!
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:58:21am |
Ok, live coverage done til Palin's speech at 9PM EST ...
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 6, 2010 11:59:54am |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
Oops, the Birch Society will be at CPAC not the Tea Party Convention.
/I stink
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rwmofo Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:02:15pm |
Looks like the Tea Party thing may be losing steam. That's probably because the Democrat party has once again illustrated that they tend to say one thing to get elected, then show their true colors after taking office. When they claimed they would be bi-partisan (unlike the eeevil Bush) if we voted for them then totally shut Republicans out of negotiations, they couldn't share the blame afterwards.
Centrist voters got fooled in 2008--probably a lot of younger voters--and came to the polls in three major elections recently to show they have an affect on how things will turn out going forward.
I predict the Tea Party crowd will fade into obscurity.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:04:11pm |
re: #6 Shiplord Kirel
On the last string, I jokingly mentioned a hypothetical drone homing on tea-party propaganda by mistake but it may not be a joke to some. Aren't there tea-party types, or at least Paulians, who actually believe that the census will be used to get the GPS coordinates of their homes for possible drone attack? I seem to remember reading that somewhere.
Undoubtedly. Hell, I remember Zombie getting all nervous--one of my first signs it was going off the cliff--because phonebanking would give Obama a list of the names and addresses of people who weren't going to vote for him.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:04:21pm |
re: #88 rwmofo
Looks like the Tea Party thing may be losing steam. That's probably because the Democrat party has once again illustrated that they tend to say one thing to get elected, then show their true colors after taking office. When they claimed they would be bi-partisan (unlike the eeevil Bush) if we voted for them then totally shut Republicans out of negotiations, they couldn't share the blame afterwards.
Centrist voters got fooled in 2008--probably a lot of younger voters--and came to the polls in three major elections recently to show they have an affect on how things will turn out going forward.
I predict the Tea Party crowd will fade into obscurity.
agreed. as i said a few days ago, the Scott Browns are the future of the GOP, not the "Parah Sailins." You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie.
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abbyadams Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:04:23pm |
re: #15 keloyd
W.T.F. I don't want them using my name. The real Abigail Adams believed in womens' rights, despised slavery and believed in blacks as free people, and didn't believe in the Trinity. She was against EVERYTHING these people stand for!
I am so fracking tired of this revisionist BULLSHIT.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:05:01pm |
re: #8 webevintage
Homemakers for America...sigh, of course they hate feminists.
Why can't one be a "homemaker" and still be a feminist?
I know plenty of women who are.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:05:52pm |
re: #10 iceweasel
Of course one can.
What they really mean by that name, though, is that doing anything other than being a homemaker is being an eeevil feminist.
Which as we all know has been destroying American civilisation.
You can also be a politician or pundit, as long as you act as though you're just a lil ole homemaker. And excoriate the evil feminists.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:05:59pm |
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allegro Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:07:08pm |
re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist
And excoriate the evil feminists.
That's where the big bucks are, especially if you're a woman.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:08:08pm |
This is cool:
Video of students at (Jesuit) John Carroll University shutting down a basketball game to protest the school's recent decision not to include LGBT people in their non-discrimination policy-- while the band plays "Hot Stuff".
I'm telling you, the times have changed, and for the GOP to pretend that running with the old culture wars about teh ghey is going to work is a losing strategy.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:09:30pm |
re: #88 rwmofo
snip...
I predict the Tea Party crowd will fade into obscurity.
Agree. Another factor is the recent SC decision on corporate donations. The TP's are no longer needed by groups like "clean coal".
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:11:33pm |
re: #45 Obdicut
The only way to actually do that would be forced abortions for unmarried people.
Or, I dunno, take their kids away and give them to married couples.
It's some sick shit.
Well, what they used to do was stigmatize unmarried couples living together, so no one did it.
Then, if you got pregnant anyway, you got sent away to 'visit your aunt', and the baby was taken away after birth and given to a married couple, or an orphanage or something--you never got to find out.
The good old days. Morality!
I have no problem with these folks believing you shouldn't have children out of wedlock. I just don't trust them wth their grubby little fingers on my government. You know?
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:13:52pm |
re: #98 allegro
That is truly wonderful!
Just popped up on memeorandum; I hadn't heard about it. It makes me pretty happy.
These are kids at a Catholic university, Jesuit no less.
I think we're going to see some very rapid progress made on gay rights this decade (at last). Old gasbags and homophobes like Ray Moore are on the way out, and they know it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:14:02pm |
re: #64 Lidane
By using the power of big, invasive government, of course.
Not the evil, liberal/socialist/commie big government, either. Just the good old-fashioned, patriotic American big government that tells you who you can and can't fall in love with, who you can and can't have sex with, and when you can have sex, since procreation trumps everything else. =P
That's the part that baffles me. These folks run hard on a platform of getting government out of their lives, but they seem deeply unhappy that they can't get everyone to live like them. Surely this is the invariable side effect of freedom?
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HappyWarrior Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:14:27pm |
The GOP really isn't going to get far with the new generation of voters if they keep on focusing on cultural issues. If they were smart they'd take away their focus on gays but it seems they won't because their leaders seem afraid of alienating the Christian Right. Young people aren't more inclined to support the Democrats because of fiscal issues but more because of social issues.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:17:02pm |
re: #94 _RememberTonyC
and some are even guys!
I have to say, I know more men who are feminists than men who are homemakers...although I do know one gentleman who is both.
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allegro Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:18:27pm |
Back in the 80s when I stopped voting Republican (I did vote for Regan first term, that was the last time), whenever it might come up for discussion, I always heard the same trope:
But... but... the Democrats will make you pay more taxes!
My response: Better the Democrats in my pocketbook than Republicans in my womb.
Always stopped the conversation dead. There was no come back to that.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:20:44pm |
re: #105 allegro
Back in the 80s when I stopped voting Republican (I did vote for Regan first term, that was the last time), whenever it might come up for discussion, I always heard the same trope:
But... but... the Democrats will make you pay more taxes!
My response: Better the Democrats in my pocketbook than Republicans in my womb.
Always stopped the conversation dead. There was no come back to that.
Damn straight.
Reminds me of this classic Onion point/counterpoint:
US Out of My Uterus! vs We Must Deploy Troops to Jessica's Uterus Immediately.
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Stanghazi Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:23:20pm |
re: #96 iceweasel
This is cool:
Video of students at (Jesuit) John Carroll University shutting down a basketball game to protest the school's recent decision not to include LGBT people in their non-discrimination policy-- while the band plays "Hot Stuff".
[Video]I'm telling you, the times have changed, and for the GOP to pretend that running with the old culture wars about teh ghey is going to work is a losing strategy.
Actually, truthfully, brought tears to me eyes.
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allegro Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:24:25pm |
re: #106 iceweasel
US Out of My Uterus! vs We Must Deploy Troops to Jessica's Uterus Immediately.
Excellent. heh
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webevintage Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:29:08pm |
re: #91 abbyadams
W.T.F. I don't want them using my name. The real Abigail Adams believed in womens' rights, despised slavery and believed in blacks as free people, and didn't believe in the Trinity. She was against EVERYTHING these people stand for!
I am so fracking tired of this revisionist BULLSHIT.
Amen and amen!!!
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rwmofo Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:30:25pm |
re: #105 allegro
Back in the 80s when I stopped voting Republican (I did vote for Regan first term, that was the last time), whenever it might come up for discussion, I always heard the same trope:
But... but... the Democrats will make you pay more taxes!
My response: Better the Democrats in my pocketbook than Republicans in my womb.
Always stopped the conversation dead. There was no come back to that.
I have a comeback: Abortion will never be outlawed, but democrats have and will raise taxes.
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webevintage Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:34:54pm |
re: #110 rwmofo
I have a comeback: Abortion will never be outlawed, but democrats have and will raise taxes.
If only.
They can make it a lot harder to have one.
They can take over school boards and teach abstinence only sex ed and creation in science class.
I wish I trusted Republicans to be fiscally conservatives without the social conservative baggage, but around here there is no such animal.
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allegro Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:44:27pm |
re: #110 rwmofo
I have a comeback: Abortion will never be outlawed, but democrats have and will raise taxes.
Abortion might as well be outlawed in most of the US by the "death of a thousand cuts" laws having been passed. Legal without availability becomes a moot point.
We have seen in the past 20 years the reverse of the raise/lower taxes argument. We're seeing it again now since the D's have lowered taxes.
Next?
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Vambo Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:55:52pm |
re: #54 iceweasel
I know these people (HfA) are mixed up with all kinds of evil shit. They basically want a theocractic Handmaids Tale kind of America with women's fertility central and reproductive choices tightly regulated.
They envision a world where no one is ever having sex before or outside of marriage, etc. Gay people wouldn't exist. etc.
upding for Handmaid's Tale.
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:00:06pm |
re: #112 allegro
Abortion might as well be outlawed in most of the US by the "death of a thousand cuts" laws having been passed. Legal without availability becomes a moot point.
We have seen in the past 20 years the reverse of the raise/lower taxes argument. We're seeing it again now since the D's have lowered taxes.
Next?
What taxes are you referring to that have been lowered?
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Vambo Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:03:53pm |
isn't there something like ONE operating abortion clinic in Nebraska and other Bible bumblefuck states?
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:15:35pm |
re: #115 Vambo
isn't there something like ONE operating abortion clinic in Nebraska
No, there are several. All major cities in Nebraska have at least one abortion clinic, and while there are few in the sparsely populated rural areas, abortions are performed there as part of GP, rather than in specialized facilities. Hospitals offer them, as well.
The population of the entire state is roughly 1.7 million. While it's true that those in rural areas may have to travel significant distances to obtain an abortion, they likewise have to travel significant distances to obtain any sort of medical care. Or to buy groceries. Or large screen televisions.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:33:24pm |
re: #116 SixDegrees
No, there are several. All major cities in Nebraska have at least one abortion clinic, and while there are few in the sparsely populated rural areas, abortions are performed there as part of GP, rather than in specialized facilities. Hospitals offer them, as well.
The population of the entire state is roughly 1.7 million. While it's true that those in rural areas may have to travel significant distances to obtain an abortion, they likewise have to travel significant distances to obtain any sort of medical care. Or to buy groceries. Or large screen televisions.
Of course from what I recall there are are only two (used to be three but then Scott Roder came along) clinics in America where you can get late term abortions for the sake of the the health of the mother or because the fetus is no longer viable....
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:42:58pm |
re: #117 jamesfirecat
Of course from what I recall there are are only two (used to be three but then Scott Roder came along) clinics in America where you can get late term abortions for the sake of the the health of the mother or because the fetus is no longer viable...
That's right. One of the only two doctors left who performs them is LeRoy Carthart, who is in Nebraska.
Guess where Operation Rescue is moving their base of operations to now?
Nebraska.
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:43:39pm |
re: #117 jamesfirecat
Of course from what I recall there are are only two (used to be three but then Scott Roder came along) clinics in America where you can get late term abortions for the sake of the the health of the mother or because the fetus is no longer viable...
True, although dead fetuses are routinely aborted at any major hospital, regardless of how late in pregnancy the death occurs.
I'm not certain, but I'm fairly sure that third trimester abortions only account for less than 2% of all abortions. So the relative paucity of facilities performing such procedures has little impact on the availability of abortion overall.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:45:37pm |
re: #119 SixDegrees
True, although dead fetuses are routinely aborted at any major hospital, regardless of how late in pregnancy the death occurs.
I'm not certain, but I'm fairly sure that third trimester abortions only account for less than 2% of all abortions. So the relative paucity of facilities performing such procedures has little impact on the availability of abortion overall.
Tell that to the women who need a third trimester abortion because their own lives are at risk, or who will otherwise be forced to give birth to an infant who will die slowly and painfully because the fetal abnormalities are so great.
Those are what third trimester abortions are about.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 6, 2010 1:46:30pm |
re: #119 SixDegrees
True, although dead fetuses are routinely aborted at any major hospital, regardless of how late in pregnancy the death occurs.
I'm not certain, but I'm fairly sure that third trimester abortions only account for less than 2% of all abortions. So the relative paucity of facilities performing such procedures has little impact on the availability of abortion overall.
Still probably a bit of a bitch that you have to either go on a road trip or a plane flight just to get what you need.
Not to mention once again, there are only two left...
If god forbid something happens to one of those Doctors like another Scott Roder, do they have someone ready to take over for them?
If they don't then there might only be one left....
Need I go on?
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:01:25pm |
re: #120 iceweasel
Tell that to the women who need a third trimester abortion because their own lives are at risk, or who will otherwise be forced to give birth to an infant who will die slowly and painfully because the fetal abnormalities are so great.
Those are what third trimester abortions are about.
I don't recall anyone bitching when there were a mere three such clinics. Deafening silence was all that I heard about the subject.
Suddenly, it's in the newspapers, and fashionable to notice that there's a problem.
It's a problem that's been extent for decades, and there hasn't been even a peep about it.
My own preference would be to see all major hospitals offer such procedures - which would still make access problematic for a large percentage of the population in rural areas.
And in fact, many hospitals do offer such procedures. It isn't, however, something they advertise. The standalone clinics typically handle cases where an even higher degree of specialization than is available in a typical large hospital is required. Similarly, a friend with cancer traveled a third of the way across the continent to receive care at a facility specializing in treating her particular cancer type. It just isn't possible to spread the expertise across the entire country to deal with the small number of cases that arise.
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Vambo Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:05:20pm |
oops, it was North Dakota I was thinking of, not Nebraska...
[Link: www.redriverwomensclinic.com...]
I find rwmofo's comment to be ignorant to the highest degree. Abortion will never be outlawed? Well that's nice to hear, but I don't know how anyone can know such a thing. If abortion is never outlawed, it will be because women's rights groups fought tooth and nail to keep it that way, in the face of very real and VIOLENT opposition from the radical right.
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Jerk Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:11:37pm |
I just wanted to mention that I really missed the boat on this:
Drop Obama logo into Photoshop, turn opacity to 50%, and then write something about socialism in Comic Sans over it. I could have made millions!
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 6, 2010 2:16:41pm |
re: #123 Vambo
oops, it was North Dakota I was thinking of, not Nebraska...
[Link: www.redriverwomensclinic.com...]I find rwmofo's comment to be ignorant to the highest degree. Abortion will never be outlawed? Well that's nice to hear, but I don't know how anyone can know such a thing. If abortion is never outlawed, it will be because women's rights groups fought tooth and nail to keep it that way, in the face of very real and VIOLENT opposition from the radical right.
Ever been to North Dakota? There's hardly anyone there - a population of around 600,000 in the entire, quite large state. Availability is more a demographic issue; all sorts of services, not just abortion, require long distance travel.
I'd recommend a drive through if you get the chance. It's very striking in spots, in a desolate way. I'd also recommend having extra water in the car, just in case.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:12:15pm |
re: #127 Charles
Cleanup needed on "photographer" thread.
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Dr. Shalit Sat, Feb 6, 2010 4:42:34pm |
OK Kol Ha Lizardim -
With respect to gestation and birthing - The Female of the Species does 90% Plus of the work - Like - DUH?
I believe Sir Winston might have said something along those lines, this is nothing new.
After Birth, the relationship becomes more equal, as unbiased Social Science has taught us.
Now what? Being a MOM is supposed to make you more "sensitive" to your children. From my experience - NOT SO. Perhaps, she was smarter regarding when "tough love" should start? Discussion?
-S-
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