Into Hershey's cookies and Cream!

Well I guess in this case it'd be Hershey's cookies and solyent green!

Reminds me that the current leader of the 'Young Republicans" is in her mid-30's.
Elected after bitter infighting because of-- what else?-- racist comments someone left on her Facebook wall to which she responded with "LOL".

More interwebs and young people FAIL from the right.

Long time pa-assing.

There's a reason for that. Back in my day something like the Tea Party Convention would have been considered uncool. Still is.

Maybe it was the price to get in, but it didn't seem like many young people were there. The only "young" people appeared to be children. Rather bored children.

Fascist rhetoric doesn't appeal to a young American crowd? That brightens my day!

Well, only the elite young folks could afford the admission, and I don't think they feel welcome.

They should go after the cheerleaders. That's if I was giving advice. I'll only charge them 50K. Besides, young people are overrated.

re: #2 iceweasel

Are you ever gonna empty your voicemailbox?

That was me calling just now.

re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth

Fascist rhetoric doesn't appeal to a young American crowd? That brightens my day!

Considering the administrations we grew up through, that's kinda a given. :D

re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth

Fascist rhetoric doesn't appeal to a young American crowd? That brightens my day!

Late last night, we were commenting on the age group of the Tea Bag crowd. It seems to be more of a middle-age to senior demographic.

re: #9 Cato the Elder

Are you ever gonna empty your voicemailbox?

That was me calling just now.

You just got off the phone with me... you told me I was the only one... you're breaking my heart.

re: #9 Cato the Elder

Are you ever gonna empty your voicemailbox?

That was me calling just now.

1) probably not
and
2) I'm boozin' it up with ma laddie!

Speaking of youngsters, was their a weird point at the speech tonight when Sarah said something snarky about "being stimulated" (the stimulus) and the camera cut to a young girl? Or was that my imagination?

re: #11 marjoriemoon

Late last night, we were commenting on the age group of the Tea Bag crowd. It seems to be more of a middle-age to senior demographic.

Also known as the Americans less likely to do grass, more likely to shout "Hey get off my grass!"

re: #13 iceweasel

1) probably not
and
2) I'm boozin' it up with ma laddie!

He really did just get off the phone with me. He says he's got 3 feet of snow... I asked him if he still had power... sure he does... that's not a snow storm... I get snow storms, power goes out for 4 days straight... that's a storm.

re: #15 jamesfirecat

Also known as the Americans less likely to do grass, more likely to shout "Hey get off my grass!"

heh Well typically, first time voters are Democrats, no?

T-shirts are popular, with slogans like “Keep the Change, I’ll Keep My Freedom My Guns and My Money.” For $89.99, you can buy a sterling silver tea bag necklace/pendant, decorated with your choice of gemstone. (Buy one, and the second is $49.99, with a free cup thrown in.)

They won't be keeping their money at those prices, baby! =)

re: #14 Stanley Sea

Embarrassing pimf - there, not their.

re: #19 Stanley Sea

Embarrassing pimf - there, not their.

Late night typos don't count.

re: #13 iceweasel

1) probably not
and
2) I'm boozin' it up with ma laddie!

And I'm left boozing with the ghostly presence of Walter!

You tramp.

Take yer hands of red-haired Mary,
Her and I will soon be wed.
We'll (for)get a priest on Monday mornin' -
But tonight we'll lie in Clancy's shed!

For $89.99, you can buy a sterling silver tea bag necklace/pendant, decorated with your choice of gemstone.

We have much nicer stuff at the Zionist Mall.

re: #16 Walter L. Newton

It was a nice little storm in Philadelphia. I couldn't see the other bank of the Delaware, and that's a first. Best thing is more snow expected for Tuesday.

Jordan Marks, executive director of the conservative Young Americans for Freedom, suggested that activists use Facebook, volunteer to speak at high schools (“bastions of liberalism”) and simply do fun stuff that hooks high school and college-age kids.

Now, what was that Michelle Malkin was saying about Obama trying to recruit high school students?

re: #16 Walter L. Newton

He really did just get off the phone with me. He says he's got 3 feet of snow... I asked him if he still had power... sure he does... that's not a snow storm... I get snow storms, power goes out for 4 days straight... that's a storm.

3 feet? I'm glad Cato still has power. You, I know, in the seekrit mountain lair, often have to deal with much worse.
Me, I live where there's 24 hour delivery. Until I relocate to the seekrit Scottish lair.

re: #20 marjoriemoon

Late night typos don't count.

Especially when you're reduced to drinking alone.

Talcum powder and Old Spice.

re: #11 marjoriemoon

Late last night, we were commenting on the age group of the Tea Bag crowd. It seems to be more of a middle-age to senior demographic.

They're frightened, and feeling the Reactionary tingle. Easy prey for fascist rhetoric.

re: #21 Cato the Elder

And I'm left boozing with the ghostly presence of Walter!

You tramp.

Take yer hands of red-haired Mary,
Her and I will soon be wed.
We'll (for)get a priest on Monday mornin' -
But tonight we'll lie in Clancy's shed!

heh. Jimmah will like that one!

My 91-year-old US Navy WW2 vet dad, was going to vote for McCain, but marked his ballot for Obama when the GOP nominee chose his running mate.

Now that I take another look, ice is forming on the river while I type.

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Especially when you're reduced to drinking alone.

You are not alone, my friend!

re: #22 Alouette

For $89.99, you can buy a sterling silver tea bag necklace/pendant, decorated with your choice of gemstone.

We have much nicer stuff at the Zionist Mall.

But then again, you have much better taste than Sarah Palin.

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Especially when you're reduced to drinking alone.

That reminds me. Where is Ludwig tonight?

re: #28 Slumbering Behemoth

They're frightened, and feeling the Reactionary tingle. Easy prey for fascist rhetoric.

Especially when they're too old to fight in our wars...

re: #13 iceweasel

1) probably not
and
2) I'm boozin' it up with ma laddie!

*smoochies abound*

re: #25 iceweasel

3 feet? I'm glad Cato still has power. You, I know, in the seekrit mountain lair, often have to deal with much worse.
Me, I live where there's 24 hour delivery. Until I relocate to the seekrit Scottish lair.

So far, this has been a easy winter (spring snow still to come), only had one storm with a big snow, 38 inches, although some of that is still on the ground...

re: #20 marjoriemoon

Late night typos don't count.

Holy crap, you shoulda seen mine last night. Awk-ward.

re: #34 Alouette

That reminds me. Where is Ludwig tonight?

I think he overheated shooting anti-AGW gnats with cannon again.

re: #25 iceweasel

3 feet? I'm glad Cato still has power. You, I know, in the seekrit mountain lair, often have to deal with much worse.
Me, I live where there's 24 hour delivery. Until I relocate to the seekrit Scottish lair.

How many different brands of single malt do you have at the lair?

re: #39 Cato the Elder

I think he overheated shooting anti-AGW gnats with cannon again.

I can answer that. Lots.

But nor Walter nor housemates drink it.

I have to go out there again soon before it spoils.

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Especially when you're reduced to drinking alone.

"Reduced" my ass. It's a perfectly noble lifestyle choice.

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy crap, you shoulda seen mine last night. Awk-ward.

It was really, really,really funny, how upset & embarassed you were/are.
DUDE!

re: #31 stevemcg

Now that I take another look, ice is forming on the river while I type.

You mean the Schuylkill (let's hear anyone pronounce that river's name)

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

You mean the Schuylkill (let's hear anyone pronounce that river's name)

School-kill

re: #22 Alouette

For $89.99, you can buy a sterling silver tea bag necklace/pendant, decorated with your choice of gemstone.

We have much nicer stuff at the Zionist Mall.

How's business this month?

re: #28 Slumbering Behemoth

They're frightened, and feeling the Reactionary tingle. Easy prey for fascist rhetoric.

They're frightened because they're being frightened and it's all a bunch of lies and rhetoric. Yes, Iran and North Korea are a threat, but what is she suggesting we do? Call them the axis of evil? And how does that help anything? Or maybe she wants to start bombing.

I also don't like the constant implication that "their" side is more patriotic than the other side. She's a divider. She feeds the beast.

re: #36 Floral Giraffe

Hey, FG!

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

You mean the Schuylkill (let's hear anyone pronounce that river's name)

S-A-R-A-H
P-A-L-I-N
How'd I do?

re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth

"Reduced" my ass. It's a perfectly noble lifestyle choice.

Props for Thorogood.

"When I drink alone, I prefer to be by myself."

Buying now on iTunes.

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy crap, you shoulda seen mine last night. Awk-ward.

I did, and you're still dead sexy.

re: #45 Gus 802

School-kill

That's about close enough, you'd have to be in Philly to actually hear the Dutch-German accent on that word.

re: #14 Stanley Sea

Speaking of youngsters, was their a weird point at the speech tonight when Sarah said something snarky about "being stimulated" (the stimulus) and the camera cut to a young girl? Or was that my imagination?

I saw that too. The little girl looked really bored and started making faces at the camera before they cut away. Somebody paid over $500 to bore that poor little kid.

re: #51 marjoriemoon

Yes he is!! So funny. I think we understood, SB.

It's pronounced Skoolkill, but Heaven knows what the Indians called it. I'm on the Delaware. The ice won't last. It's low tide now so it'll break up in the morning when the breeze freshens and the tide comes in. In spite of all the snow it hasn't been that cold this winter. How hard was it to sit through Sarah's speech without turning away?

re: #52 Walter L. Newton

That's about close enough, you'd have to be in Philly to actually hear the Dutch-German accent on that word.

Skoogill.

re: #46 The Sanity Inspector

How's business this month?

Could be better. January is always slow. Should pick up as it gets closer to Passover.

re: #52 Walter L. Newton

That's about close enough, you'd have to be in Philly to actually hear the Dutch-German accent on that word.

Ah. Yeah, I used to hear it all the time listening to the radio when I lived in Ocean County, NJ.

re: #53 Killgore Trout

I saw that too. The little girl looked really bored and started making faces at the camera before they cut away. Somebody paid over $500 to bore that poor little kid.

My parents could ensure I was bored without spending any money at all.

re: #51 marjoriemoon

:swoon:

re: #56 Cato the Elder

Skoogill.

re: #58 Gus 802

Ah. Yeah, I used to hear it all the time listening to the radio when I lived in Ocean County, NJ.

I spent a lot of time in Philly when I was marching with the Mummers. Some of the best damn drinking done in that town.

Evening all! Video minutes from the last politburo meeting contain clues as to the reason for the lack of new initiatives produced recently...;-)

Marks described a bowling party he organized – “Knock Down the Pinheads of Communism.” A strike equaled Mao, a spare, Pol Pot.

Wow. Just...wow. That's pathetically bad. Way to be 20+ years behind the times. Communism hasn't been relevant as a political system or as a bogeyman since the Berlin Wall came down in 1989.

If that's the best these people can come up with for recruitment, no wonder they're not seeing any young people.

re: #55 stevemcg

It's pronounced Skoolkill, but Heaven knows what the Indians called it. I'm on the Delaware. The ice won't last. It's low tide now so it'll break up in the morning when the breeze freshens and the tide comes in. In spite of all the snow it hasn't been that cold this winter. How hard was it to sit through Sarah's speech without turning away?

It felt like being pierced by needles of pure stupid.

re: #52 Walter L. Newton

I never noticed the accent. Roger Daltrey once threw us a bone when he introduced "Water" (Isle of Wight I think). He says, or as they say in Philadelphia, "Wooder". BTW do you turn off the lights or turn 'em out?

re: #53 Killgore Trout

I saw that too. The little girl looked really bored and started making faces at the camera before they cut away. Somebody paid over $500 to bore that poor little kid.

Fiscal conservatism, FTW!
/snark

re: #61 Walter L. Newton

I spent a lot of time in Philly when I was marching with the Mummers. Some of the best damn drinking done in that town.

We'd go into Philly for shopping or getting glasses. Later years it would be over to New Hope.

Hm.
New Orleans has a new mayor - Mary Landrieu's brother Mitch, currently serving as Lt. Governor.

re: #38 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy crap, you shoulda seen mine last night. Awk-ward.

Hehe, I did. :)

Yeah ... like us college students like to go bowling for Maos and Pol Pots. Try giving me a six pack then maybe I'll hear you out about your whacky Tea Party ideas. Chances are then that my high school education will kick in and I'll stop listening because none of it makes sense, and then my college education will kick in and I'll take the beer and run.

re: #67 Gus 802

We'd go into Philly for shopping or getting glasses. Later years it would be over to New Hope.

Right next to Old Change.

re: #65 stevemcg

I never noticed the accent. Roger Daltrey once threw us a bone when he introduced "Water" (Isle of Wight I think). He says, or as they say in Philadelphia, "Wooder". BTW do you turn off the lights or turn 'em out?

Off. But I had an Italian landlord in Brooklyn who would say "turn the TV out."

re: #68 reine.de.tout

Hm.
New Orleans has a new mayor - Mary Landrieu's brother Mitch, currently serving as Lt. Governor.

'bout time

re: #63 Lidane

Wow. Just...wow. That's pathetically bad. Way to be 20+ years behind the times. Communism hasn't been relevant as a political system or as a bogeyman since the Berlin Wall came down in 1989.

If that's the best these people can come up with for recruitment, no wonder they're not seeing any young people.

it reminds me of the Bible-themed video games that Ned Flanders would make his kids play... except with (anti)Communism instead of Jesus.

re: #70 jordash1212

Yeah ... like us college students like to go bowling for Maos and Pol Pots. Try giving me a six pack then maybe I'll hear you out about your whacky Tea Party ideas. Chances are then that my high school education will kick in and I'll stop listening because none of it makes sense, and then my college education will kick in and I'll take the beer and run.

Tea Bong Party!

re: #51 marjoriemoon

I did, and you're still dead sexy.

Guess that's better than dead sex.

Just because I stopped being a Republican doesn't make me a Democrat. Right now I'm a member of the "They All Suck" party.

re: #63 Lidane

Wow. Just...wow. That's pathetically bad. Way to be 20+ years behind the times. Communism hasn't been relevant as a political system or as a bogeyman since the Berlin Wall came down in 1989.

If that's the best these people can come up with for recruitment, no wonder they're not seeing any young people.

Yeah why not at least bowling for terrorists?

A strike is Bin Laden a spare is Sadam...

re: #53 Killgore Trout

You moving, or still undecided?

re: #73 Cato the Elder

'bout time

Yep.
Everybody's putting a lot of hope into him.

re: #67 Gus 802

We'd go into Philly for shopping or getting glasses. Later years it would be over to New Hope.

w00t! New Hope is cool. Haven't been in years and it was the weirdest mix of antique places, hippie stuff, gay community, and a ton of bikers. Very cool.

Husband is still really enjoying "Hurt Locker". Must be good.

From what I remember, Sarah Palin got booed louder in Philadelphia than Snooky. I was proud of my hometown both times.

re: #77 Alouette

Just because I stopped being a Republican doesn't make me a Democrat. Right now I'm a member of the "They All Suck" party.

Can I join? At least until the Greens chuck McKinney...

re: #74 Vambo

it reminds me of the Bible-themed video games that Ned Flanders would make his kids play... except with (anti)Communism instead of Jesus.

Second coming, reload, reload!

re: #83 stevemcg

From what I remember, Sarah Palin got booed louder in Philadelphia than Snooky. I was proud of my hometown both times.

I'm sorry to know exactly who you are talking about.

re: #81 iceweasel

w00t! New Hope is cool. Haven't been in years and it was the weirdest mix of antique places, hippie stuff, gay community, and a ton of bikers. Very cool.

Yeah. This was back in the daiquiri days. Strawberry daiquiris to be precise.

re: #59 reine.de.tout

My folks took me to a lute concert when I was about 10. I had never seen anything so dull in my life. I can still remember the excruciatingly painful boredom piercing my skull like a 1,000 rusty knives. Oddly enough I now have a master's degree in music history and play a passable 8 course Renaissance lute.

re: #40 Alouette

How many different brands of single malt do you have at the lair?

Not enough!

re: #88 Killgore Trout

My folks took me to a lute concert when I was about 10. I had never seen anything so dull in my life. I can still remember the excruciatingly painful boredom piercing my skull like a 1,000 rusty knives. Oddly enough I now have a master's degree in music history and play a passable 8 course Renaissance lute.

Can you hear your parents laughing, with malice?
See, it worked!

re: #78 jamesfirecat

Yeah why not at least bowling for terrorists?

A strike is Bin Laden a spare is Sadam...

How about bowling for political leaders? A strike can be a Obama, a spare a George W, a 7-10 split a Harry Reid, and a gutter ball a Sarah Palin.

re: #85 jamesfirecat

Second coming, reload, reload!

There you go... outrage... you weren't satisfied on the last thread calling me out about being bothered by "snowmageddon," now you have to start taking pot shots at the second coming... what next, the virgin birth thing?

re: #86 Stanley Sea

Snooky may have been booed louder but Katie Morgan was on the stage too and the wingettes were kind of distracting. Wardrobe malfunctions aplenty.

The general response to that part of Obama's speech about helping students with paying off loans was very positive on Facebook and Twitter. Palin ranted against that tonight. As if young people needed more reasons to avoid teabaggers.

re: #89 iceweasel

Once my husband and I got together, we could never be apart.
Cheers, you two!

I agree on Hurt Locker. It was as 'real' as any war movie. I read a review that included army dudes with relevant training. They quibbled on a few details like the gun fight that had to be changed to make the movie flow right, but essentially agreed on its factual correctness.

Bonus - the director is a girl.
Double bonus - she has made a lot of other movies that are nothing at all like the Lifetime network
Triple bonus - she is one of James Cameron's ex-wives.

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

A 7-10 should be a Kerry.

OT:

Fucking TSA stole my fiancee's gold necklace.

re: #93 stevemcg

Snooky may have been booed louder but Katie Morgan was on the stage too and the wingettes were kind of distracting. Wardrobe malfunctions aplenty.

What event are you talking about?

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

There you go... outrage... you weren't satisfied on the last thread calling me out about being bothered by "snowmageddon," now you have to start taking pot shots at the second coming... what next, the virgin birth thing?

Is that related to El Niño?

/

re: #98 Obdicut

OT:

Fucking TSA stole my fiancee's gold necklace.

How'd that happen?

re: #98 Obdicut

OT:

Fucking TSA stole my fiancee's gold necklace.

Shit! I'm sorry to hear that! Where? What happened?
They recently busted a giant theft ring in the US involving baggage handlers.

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Wing Bowl XVIII. Friday morning a 6 AM(!) at the Whack-off Center.

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

There you go... outrage... you weren't satisfied on the last thread calling me out about being bothered by "snowmageddon," now you have to start taking pot shots at the second coming... what next, the virgin birth thing?

Oh now I get it!

By the way I was just quoting the Simpsons.

re: #98 Obdicut

OT:

Fucking TSA stole my fiancee's gold necklace.

What airline? File a claim with the President/owners office.
BIL got a replacement laptop from Virgin Atlantic. It took 3 letters to Richard Branson.

Off to bed... it was a long, long day.

re: #98 Obdicut

OT:

Fucking TSA stole my fiancee's gold necklace.

File a complaint with the local police, asap.
That's the first start of the process.

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

Off to bed... it was a long, long day.

Sleep tight, Walter.

re: #100 Gus 802

She put it in her shoe going through the machine. Got diverted to a secondary check for her luggage too. At the end, when she got her stuff back, no necklace.

She made it herself, too.

re: #82 prairiefire

Husband is still really enjoying "Hurt Locker". Must be good.

I watched it with my son. Definitely a "guy" movie.

re: #109 Obdicut

I'm so sorry.

re: #109 Obdicut

She put it in her shoe going through the machine. Got diverted to a secondary check for her luggage too. At the end, when she got her stuff back, no necklace.

She made it herself, too.

What airport?

re: #79 Floral Giraffe

You moving, or still undecided?

I'll think about it for another day or so but I'm thinking about paying off my mortgage and staying here in Portland. Moving to the coast has a few more uncertainties than I'm willing to cope with right now. Some family issues popped up last week and I think my newly found bankroll could help someone else more in need than myself. It's still fine by me, I like it here in Portland and will be very happy even if I have to drive a few times a month to get to some decent fishing. Either way it'll be fine by me. Without a mortgage I can start spending money on the house and my business without much worry. I'm already planing for the possibility of building a large attached greenhouse in the back garden for next winter.

Possible Tea Party Anthem?

Capitalism Socialism has made it this way,
Old-fashioned fascism will take it away

re: #109 Obdicut
Can she go back to the airport & look through lost & found?
At a minimum, does she have a picture of it, and can file a police report?
Assuming it was valuable, in a more than sentimental way?

re: #55 stevemcg

It's pronounced Skoolkill, but Heaven knows what the Indians called it. I'm on the Delaware. The ice won't last. It's low tide now so it'll break up in the morning when the breeze freshens and the tide comes in. In spite of all the snow it hasn't been that cold this winter. How hard was it to sit through Sarah's speech without turning away?

Someone's already uploaded it to YouTube.

re: #90 Floral Giraffe

Can you hear your parents laughing, with malice?
See, it worked!

Yes, although they always love to hear me play the lute they like to give me shit about how it bores them.

re: #113 Killgore Trout

I'll think about it for another day or so but I'm thinking about paying off my mortgage and staying here in Portland. Moving to the coast has a few more uncertainties than I'm willing to cope with right now. Some family issues popped up last week and I think my newly found bankroll could help someone else more in need than myself. It's still fine by me, I like it here in Portland and will be very happy even if I have to drive a few times a month to get to some decent fishing. Either way it'll be fine by me. Without a mortgage I can start spending money on the house and my business without much worry. I'm already planing for the possibility of building a large attached greenhouse in the back garden for next winter.

If you can be mortgage free that would be a very good thing in the long run.

re: #109 Obdicut

She put it in her shoe going through the machine. Got diverted to a secondary check for her luggage too. At the end, when she got her stuff back, no necklace.

She made it herself, too.

She still needs to file a complaint.
It might not get her necklace back, but it will alert the authorities to a problem.

re: #65 stevemcg

I never noticed the accent. Roger Daltrey once threw us a bone when he introduced "Water" (Isle of Wight I think). He says, or as they say in Philadelphia, "Wooder". BTW do you turn off the lights or turn 'em out?

I 'shut' the light, which I think is straight out of Yiddish, since I get it from my mother.

It drives my father insane.

re: #117 Killgore Trout

Never spend your lute or your pen!

re: #68 reine.de.tout

Hm.
New Orleans has a new mayor - Mary Landrieu's brother Mitch, currently serving as Lt. Governor.

Well, he's not Nagin.

re: #121 stevemcg

Never spend your lute or your pen!

Listen see, put all the lute in the bag. And no funny business see.

/

re: #103 stevemcg

Wing Bowl XVIII. Friday morning a 6 AM(!) at the Whack-off Center.

A high porn-star quotient, I see. It looks like Mary Carey was there, too.

re: #78 jamesfirecat

Yeah why not at least bowling for terrorists?

A strike is Bin Laden a spare is Sadam...

Because I don't think these people really see terrorism as the big problem...

The Rutherford County, Tennessee activist came Friday to get some tips. Jordan Marks, executive director of the conservative Young Americans for Freedom, suggested that activists use Facebook, volunteer to speak at high schools (“bastions of liberalism”) and simply do fun stuff that hooks high school and college-age kids.

Whatever you do, though, don't let 'em get stoked. 'Tis the starter drug to libruhlism, I swear it is.

re: #113 Killgore Trout

I WANT A GREENHOUSE DAMNIT!
Really badly, too.
I hope you get one.
I have flower growing friends in Portland, that can help you with advice, if you're gonna build a GH.

re: #118 Gus 802

How does that work?

Nighty night. Tis past my bed time.

re: #110 Alouette

Yeah, get them emotionally involved and then blow the guy up.

re: #128 prairiefire

How does that work?

Don't ask me, I'm a renting fool. KT mentioned that he can pay of his mortgage. I know someone that doesn't have a mortgage. Sure makes things a lot easier when times are rough.

Goddamn browser keeps crashing. Getting fed up with firefox now, and ggogle chrome has all sorts of problems too. I'm starting to think the unthinkable here -going back to Internet Explorer.

re: #131 Gus 802

Don't ask me, I'm a renting fool. KT mentioned that he can pay of his mortgage. I know someone that doesn't have a mortgage. Sure makes things a lot easier when times are rough.

If we were living rent-free--damn. We could live comfortably on my salary.

re: #131 Gus 802

Don't ask me, I'm a renting fool. KT mentioned that he can pay of his mortgage. I know someone that doesn't have a mortgage. Sure makes things a lot easier when times are rough.

Half the people who've been sold on the American nightmare of home ownership should be renters. It make pulling up stakes at the behest of your wage-slave-masters so much easier.

re: #132 Jimmah

Goddamn browser keeps crashing. Getting fed up with firefox now, and ggogle chrome has all sorts of problems too. I'm starting to think the unthinkable here -going back to Internet Explorer.

Firefox is working great on my computer.

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

Because I don't think these people really see terrorism as the big problem...

We need to come together and focus on our real enemy

The Terrorists?

No the Liberals!

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

Because I don't think these people really see terrorism as the big problem...

Hey, they've admitted that the real problem is the 'enemy within', i.e., within the White House. Plus LIBRHULS!

Allen Quist, a Republican who is seeking to defeat Rep. Tim Walz in southern Minnesota’s First Congressional District, told attendees of the Wabasha County Republicans Christmas Party in mid-December that beating the “radical” liberals in Washington, D.C., is a bigger battle than beating terrorism.

“Our country is being destroyed. Every generation has had to fight the fight for freedom… Terrorism? Yes. That’s not the big battle,” he said. “The big battle is in D.C. with the radicals. They aren’t liberals. They are radicals. Obama, Pelosi, Walz: They’re not liberals, they’re radicals. They are destroying our country.”

Reminder: Only the GOP can be trusted to keep us safe.

re: #136 jamesfirecat

I thought is was the lamestream media.

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

Firefox is working great on my computer.

Mine two.

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Mine two.

Me too, but it keeps happening to Jimmah regularly. :(

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

What am I doing wrong? My microsoft stuff never crashes.

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Mine two.

Mine three.

re: #119 Floral Giraffe

Yeah, she will. She's very dogged. It just sucks she has to do anything at all. Valuables shouldn't disappear at TSA checkpoints. A TSA checker taking valuables is obviously not on the lookout for anything actually dangerous.

Unless the terrorist are using gold-plated bombs.

re: #131 Gus 802

I know someone that doesn't have a mortgage. Sure makes things a lot easier when times are rough.

However, that doesn't mean the cost of ownership is 0! If it wasn't for inflation, and the government subsidizing house ownership (through mortgage interest deductions), owning a house would not look anywhere near as attractive as it now does to many people.

Maintenance is another headache, one I always hated.

re: #134 Cato the Elder

Half the people who've been sold on the American nightmare of home ownership should be renters. It make pulling up stakes at the behest of your wage-slave-masters so much easier.

True. Especially given the artificially inflated prices of homes. My friend bought his house in the late 70s at around 7,000 dollars. Some houses around the Washington Park area (Denver) were selling for 70,000 when I moved here in 1990. They're upwards of 300,000 now. Renting is more flexible and for the most part cheaper.

re: #141 stevemcg

What am I doing wrong? My microsoft stuff never crashes.

You have one of the two out of every ten thousand machines they use on special test subjects.

re: #132 Jimmah

Goddamn browser keeps crashing. Getting fed up with firefox now, and ggogle chrome has all sorts of problems too. I'm starting to think the unthinkable here -going back to Internet Explorer.

Have you upgraded, twiddled the plug-ins, etc.?

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

I 'shut' the light, which I think is straight out of Yiddish, since I get it from my mother.

It drives my father insane.

ichem ze lights. I remember hearing that as a kid.

re: #140 iceweasel

Me too, but it keeps happening to Jimmah regularly. :(

Maybe it's because I'm running on windows 7? I dunno...

re: #132 Jimmah

LGF looks better in Safari.

re: #144 freetoken

However, that doesn't mean the cost of ownership is 0! If it wasn't for inflation, and the government subsidizing house ownership (through mortgage interest deductions), owning a house would not look anywhere near as attractive as it now does to many people.

Maintenance is another headache, one I always hated.

Stove broke! Call the management! /

re: #140 iceweasel

Me too, but it keeps happening to Jimmah regularly. :(

Um, operator error?
(Runs & hides from Jimmah!)

re: #149 Jimmah

Maybe it's because I'm running on windows 7? I dunno...

Shoot yer computer.

re: #144 freetoken

However, that doesn't mean the cost of ownership is 0! If it wasn't for inflation, and the government subsidizing house ownership (through mortgage interest deductions), owning a house would not look anywhere near as attractive as it now does to many people.

Maintenance is another headache, one I always hated.

Oh yeah. The maintenance costs (and time)-- I think a lot of people don't take that into account.

re: #149 Jimmah

Maybe it's because I'm running on windows 7? I dunno...

You dunno?

Mac, you fool!

re: #134 Cato the Elder

Half the people who've been sold on the American nightmare of home ownership should be renters. It make pulling up stakes at the behest of your wage-slave-masters so much easier.

It's much easier, politics-wise, to just encourage unqualified people to buy houses, and then whip up hate on the banks who were "encouraged" to lend them money they couldn't afford to repay.

re: #152 Floral Giraffe

Um, operator error?
(Runs & hides from Jimmah!)

Yeah, I'm pressing the keys all wrong. Grrr ;-)

re: #150 freetoken

Why is that? The little boxes holding each comment are rounded, for example.

re: #154 iceweasel

Oh yeah. The maintenance costs (and time)-- I think a lot of people don't take that into account.

I never could keep the house up to snuff... Somehow, I always got behind on all the little things that needed to be done.

Owning a house is like having a second job, without the pay.

re: #157 Jimmah

Yeah, I'm pressing the keys all wrong. Grrr ;-)

F7, F7?
Teasing.
Machine not working, sucks!

re: #150 freetoken

LGF looks better in Safari.

Actually I haven't tried that since the earliest version, IIRC -I'll give that one a go. Thanks!

re: #160 Floral Giraffe

F7, F7?
Teasing.
Machine not working, sucks!

I know you were - just playing along :)

re: #154 iceweasel

Oh yeah. The maintenance costs (and time)-- I think a lot of people don't take that into account.

Plumbing, electrical, HVAC, foundation, roof, structural, landscaping, appliances, furniture, property taxes, painting...

re: #159 freetoken

I never could keep the house up to snuff... Somehow, I always got behind on all the little things that needed to be done.

Owning a house is like having a second job, without the pay.

Exactly. There's always something.
Not to even mention the exterior stuff like landscaping. Gah. At least if you have the roof or furnance replaced you're ok with it for a while. The exterior never ends.

I don't think this is a surprise. Tea parties are a phenomenon that appeals to folks afraid that America is losing its cultural heritage. That's not a common fear among the young.

Moreover, words like gay and socialist don't make younger people's heads explode. The acrimony tied to such words is based on the culture struggles of a previous generation of Americans.

re: #158 stevemcg

Why is that? The little boxes holding each comment are rounded, for example.

Well, it's been a couple of months since I looked at LGF with IE, but that was on someone else's computer (as Microsoft no longer supports IE on OSX) so I don't know which version of IE it was. When I did view LGF on IE the buttons and menus seemed crude, not as polished.

Odd, now I am starting to see striking similarities between Snookie and Palin.
:shudder:

"No, really. I made a bad joke. You're not a replicant. Go home."

re: #164 iceweasel

Exactly. There's always something.
Not to even mention the exterior stuff like landscaping. Gah. At least if you have the roof or furnance replaced you're ok with it for a while. The exterior never ends.

Yeah, and in some municipalities improper lawn maintenance is an arrestable offense.

Then there's homeowners or condo associations some people have to deal with.

re: #167 Slumbering Behemoth

Odd, now I am starting to see striking similarities between Snookie and Palin.
:shudder:

lol

re: #162 Jimmah

I collected & strained & stored 20 gallons of rain water today.
All of my "bending" muscles hurt.
How's the shoulder?

re: #157 Jimmah

Yeah, I'm pressing the keys all wrong. Grrr ;-)

You know if you stare at the screen too hard you'll screw up the system.

re: #171 Floral Giraffe

Do you need to do that because of the threat of fires?

re: #165 palomino

Moreover, words like gay and socialist don't make younger people's heads explode. The acrimony tied to such words is based on the culture struggles of a previous generation of Americans.

As well as a shitpile of fearmongering.

re: #169 Gus 802

Yeah, and in some municipalities improper lawn maintenance is an arrestable offense.

Then there's homeowners or condo associations some people have to deal with.

The good news about condos is that the association does the outdoor work. You have to pay for it through dues, of course.

re: #171 Floral Giraffe

I collected & strained & stored 20 gallons of rain water today.
All of my "bending" muscles hurt.
How's the shoulder?

Is that for when the rains stop coming?

re: #173 prairiefire

Do you need to do that because of the threat of fires?

No, it's a much cleaner water, than out of the tap.
It's for the flowers!

I watched about 15 minutes of Palin before going to dinner. She didn't say much...a few dog-whistles about the Obama-Pelosi-Reid admin, etc. But what I noticed most was the quiver in her voice...none of that bald-faced confidence she had in the campaign. I think she had her speech modified just before tonight (to reduce some of the hateful rhetoric) and was feeling a little nervous. Yep, that's it...she looked nervous. And that's okay with me.

re: #134 Cato the Elder

Half the people who've been sold on the American nightmare of home ownership should be renters. It make pulling up stakes at the behest of your wage-slave-masters so much easier.

Which is why I'm still renting. Since I'm not married, don't have kids, and don't have any need for a house any time in the near future, I'm renting a townhouse. It's great, and works for me.

As long as all my bills are paid on time every month, I'm set. It's definitely much easier and more affordable than if I tried to own, especially with me looking at grad school and a reduced income while I get my degree. As long as I can afford to stay where I'm at, I'll be okay.

re: #144 freetoken

However, that doesn't mean the cost of ownership is 0! If it wasn't for inflation, and the government subsidizing house ownership (through mortgage interest deductions), owning a house would not look anywhere near as attractive as it now does to many people.

Maintenance is another headache, one I always hated.

Try living in Texas. No income tax, so >50% of school levies come direct from each district in the form of property taxes (the state covers less than 50% from the general fund). The long and the short of it is that I pay around $8,000/year in property taxes on a house I bought in 1997 for $155,000. Brutal.

I think as a younger person, one really has to be focused & exceptionally analytical to even entertain a notion of political involvement. Even then, it's worth pointing out that the younger generation probably finds political activism (in whatever flavor) to be unimportant in their lives. I say this as someone who has been politically active only for the past three years, and have witnessed first hand just how disinterested younger folk (I'm talking college here) are, in general. I get it though. It is a time commitment that runs counter to a social life.

re: #165 palomino

Moreover, words like gay and socialist don't make younger people's heads explode. The acrimony tied to such words is based on the culture struggles of a previous generation of Americans.

Zackly.

Since I missed the big speech earlier I just tried watching it on Youtube. At 6:55 into the first (of 5) videos I stopped. Just couldn't take it anymore.

Conservative values time with African Head Charge : 'Orderliness, Godliness, Discipline and Dignity'. (This one really requires some volume)

re: #178 darthstar

Agreed, and she should look nervous--she's in way over her head.

re: #179 Lidane

Good for you. It's like steps on a ladder. What degree are you going after for graduate work?

re: #179 Lidane

Which is why I'm still renting. Since I'm not married, don't have kids, and don't have any need for a house any time in the near future, I'm renting a townhouse. It's great, and works for me.

As long as all my bills are paid on time every month, I'm set. It's definitely much easier and more affordable than if I tried to own, especially with me looking at grad school and a reduced income while I get my degree. As long as I can afford to stay where I'm at, I'll be okay.

And if you had bought a house during the last five years of feeding frenzy, you'd now be underwater and unable to make any sensible decisions about downsizing.

OK It's settled then.

Killgore. Here's the plan. Sell your house and move into an apartment.

/

re: #176 Cato the Elder

It's cleaner than what comes out of the tap, here.
Tap water just keeps getting worse.
I'm urban LA. So water is always available, but the quality keeps deteriorating. And, it's really expensive to treat the city water enough. I will be doing that, later this year. But storing some rain water will buy me a couple of months of non reverso osmosis processed water.
R/O uses a 1:1 up to a 1:4 process. 1 gallon of good water for 1 gallon of waste. Expensive in a desert.

re: #134 Cato the Elder

Half the people who've been sold on the American nightmare of home ownership should be renters. It make pulling up stakes at the behest of your wage-slave-masters so much easier.

Another thing that I a few others of my friends who recently left rental for mortgage was the push that came mostly from the agents was to push what finances allowed to the maximum or even just stretch a little over it to 'get the biggest or the best you can afford, regardless' The idea that just because one could afford this amount a month but didn't want to actually spend it seemed foreign. I actually stopped using the first agent I got because she was really icky and quite patronizing about the whole thing. Yes technically I could manage more per month for a mortgage and have bigger house but would rather spend it on other things and have some leeway if the financial situation ever changes and not have to worry or stress about making a payment. You would think that's a prudent way of thinking but I guess not in all quarters. I've known way to many people in my life even when things were decent who lost a job or got sick or whatever and have gone through 'I have this huge mortgage payment, over extended financial situation hell' for it not to just seem obvious.

re: #178 darthstar

I didn't see anything that made me feel she was nervous. I thought she did a good job with the speech. The thing that concerned me was the Q&A part where she said the GOP should come over to the Tea Party. This is going to split the party and help the Dems. Stupid move on her part.

SFZ -re: #178 darthstar

I watched about 15 minutes of Palin before going to dinner. She didn't say much...a few dog-whistles about the Obama-Pelosi-Reid admin, etc. But what I noticed most was the quiver in her voice...none of that bald-faced confidence she had in the campaign. I think she had her speech modified just before tonight (to reduce some of the hateful rhetoric) and was feeling a little nervous. Yep, that's it...she looked nervous. And that's okay with me.

She'd be much better off if she requested the evil teleprompter, but that would blow her credibility with the tea crowd.

re: #180 austin_blue

Try living in Texas. No income tax, so >50% of school levies come direct from each district in the form of property taxes (the state covers less than 50% from the general fund). The long and the short of it is that I pay around $8,000/year in property taxes on a house I bought in 1997 for $155,000. Brutal.

Ouch! That's more than 4 times what I pay, for not much more value. Of course, I do have to pay income tax, which Governor Quinn wants to raise. I, or course, much prefer the idea of voting him out of office. I'm not a fan of tax hikes.

re: #178 darthstar

She talks of courage in the face of overwhelming opposition, while her ass prints in the governor's chair she quit are still warm.

She is the true definition of all hat and no cattle.

re: #169 Gus 802

Yeah, and in some municipalities improper lawn maintenance is an arrestable offense.

Then there's homeowners or condo associations some people have to deal with.

Tell me about it. They're a nightmare too and some of the people on a condo board or homeowners assn really do just enjoy making people's lives hell. Especially younger people.

I had one once years ago when I was young-- lots of old people on the board and they didn't like the newer (younger) people moving in. This was a heavily Republican place peppered with Bush (sr.) signs. We had the only Clinton/Gore sign and sometime before the election we got a notice about how it was against the rules to have political signs up. Yeah, right.

We also had an election night party that, uh, ran kinda late with lots of wild cheering. The next morning we got a typed (unsigned) letter on board stationary threatening us about the 'illegal cat' we had. (the older residents all had pets grandfathered in).

Equity, shmequity.

And Darryl Hannah has knock-knees. I never noticed that before.

re: #171 Floral Giraffe

I collected & strained & stored 20 gallons of rain water today.
All of my "bending" muscles hurt.
How's the shoulder?

Gradually improving all the time. Only one of the new exercises is a real challenge - its one where I have to raise a walking stick halfway up by back, with my thumbs touching in the centre. That one is painful but other than that it's plain sailing.

re: #190 Jadespring

I know those agents, and their friends the brokers. They were quite happy doing whatever deal they could, of course with the big commission payoff at the end.

re: #189 Floral Giraffe

It's cleaner than what comes out of the tap, here.
Tap water just keeps getting worse.
I'm urban LA. So water is always available, but the quality keeps deteriorating. And, it's really expensive to treat the city water enough. I will be doing that, later this year. But storing some rain water will buy me a couple of months of non reverso osmosis processed water.
R/O uses a 1:1 up to a 1:4 process. 1 gallon of good water for 1 gallon of waste. Expensive in a desert.

Especially because RO concentrates salts on the backside of the membrane and is dumped on the ground. Kills the soilre: #193 Dark_Falcon

Ouch! That's more than 4 times what I pay, for not much more value. Of course, I do have to pay income tax, which Governor Quinn wants to raise. I, or course, much prefer the idea of voting him out of office. I'm not a fan of tax hikes.

.

re: #174 laZardo

As well as a shitpile of fearmongering.

Right, just consider the antics of the tea partiers: Birtherism, nativism, anti-immigrant, and even some racism. All in service of bringing back the "good ole days" that only exist in people's minds and on old TV shows.

Why would anyone under middle age find this appealing?

Tales from The Stupid Tax archives...

re: #169 Gus 802

Yeah, and in some municipalities improper lawn maintenance is an arrestable offense.

Then there's homeowners or condo associations some people have to deal with.

Try being "green" in the 'burbs and hanging your clothes out to dry in your back yard.

They will shun you in church, I tell you.

I was really torn over staying home and watching Sarah "super fantastic plastic wonder woman" Palin, or going with a friend seeing Book of Eli. In retrospect, I'll stick with Denzel.

re: #195 iceweasel

Tell me about it. They're a nightmare too and some of the people on a condo board or homeowners assn really do just enjoy making people's lives hell. Especially younger people.

I had one once years ago when I was young-- lots of old people on the board and they didn't like the newer (younger) people moving in. This was a heavily Republican place peppered with Bush (sr.) signs. We had the only Clinton/Gore sign and sometime before the election we got a notice about how it was against the rules to have political signs up. Yeah, right.

We also had an election night party that, uh, ran kinda late with lots of wild cheering. The next morning we got a typed (unsigned) letter on board stationary threatening us about the 'illegal cat' we had. (the older residents all had pets grandfathered in).

That's amounts to much of what I heard. They can be very strict and the cause of a lot of psychological or social grief. It's not like me going over to my neighbors house and asking them to keep the music down. If the association has you on their shit list you're in big trouble from then on.

I'm sure that this has been posted before, but it's just too brilliant to not show again.

Sorry Glenn, but the only Beck I listen to has two turntables and a microphone.

re: #197 Jimmah

Glad to hear it.
You keep working, hard.
That walking stick needs to be strong enough to whack a youngster walking over your lawn! Someday!

re: #189 Floral Giraffe

It's cleaner than what comes out of the tap, here.
Tap water just keeps getting worse.
I'm urban LA. So water is always available, but the quality keeps deteriorating. And, it's really expensive to treat the city water enough. I will be doing that, later this year. But storing some rain water will buy me a couple of months of non reverso osmosis processed water.
R/O uses a 1:1 up to a 1:4 process. 1 gallon of good water for 1 gallon of waste. Expensive in a desert.

I have well water. Nothing but fresh mountain water comes out of my tap.

re: #206 Floral Giraffe

Glad to hear it.
You keep working, hard.
That walking stick needs to be strong enough to whack a youngster walking over your lawn! Someday!

No it doesn't. Ice will bite him on the neck.

re: #196 Cato the Elder

Equity, shmequity.

And Darryl Hannah has knock-knees. I never noticed that before.

Why did you make Darryl Hannah have knock-knees?
//

re: #189 Floral Giraffe

My gosh! We were there in 2000 and the water sucked so bad we could not drink it. We said to each other, "No wonder celebrities are always carrying around water bottles!"

re: #207 NJDhockeyfan

I have well water. Nothing but fresh mountain water comes out of my tap.

In NJ?

re: #127 Floral Giraffe

I WANT A GREENHOUSE DAMNIT!
Really badly, too.
I hope you get one.
I have flower growing friends in Portland, that can help you with advice, if you're gonna build a GH.

It should be interesting. I probably won't do it until fall, maybe even next year. I does open up a whole new bunch of possibilities. Especially for the winter. My hydroponics experiments are doing pretty well but lugging all those buckets of water around is a bit of a chore. A good greenhouse could easily feed me year round with much less work.

re: #195 iceweasel

At some point, ice, I've got to send you an email. My own experiences have been rather different. I can't give detail however. Having googled myself, I know how easy it is to find out where someone is living if you have a few hints. I've got no desire to find a stalker waiting for me when i leave for work one morning.

Don't misunderstand me - there are benefits to property ownership. I just think they are over-rated (and as mentioned, the real estate sales business is part of that problem.)

Should KT sell his house? Nah, not if he expects to live in it until he dies. Putting down "roots" is good for society and Portland benefits from having responsible citizens.

I wouldn't buy a house again in California, though if I thought I was going to retire permanently to, say, Portland than I might consider it.

re: #209 Floral Giraffe

Why did you make Darryl Hannah have knock-knees?
//

For the same reason I made Sarah Palin an idiot. Because I can.

re: #180 austin_blue

Speaking of Texas, isn't anyone there concerned that if re-re-elected, Rick Perry will serve longer as Gov. of Texas than FDR was prez?

Lived in TX til I was 22, but I don't miss the likes of Perry.

re: #191 NJDhockeyfan

I didn't see anything that made me feel she was nervous. I thought she did a good job with the speech. The thing that concerned me was the Q&A part where she said the GOP should come over to the Tea Party. This is going to split the party and help the Dems. Stupid move on her part.

Just saw the video where she reads off her hand during the Q&A part...She's not prepared to address her supporters, let alone lead anyone.

re: #200 palomino

All in service of bringing back the "good ole days" that only exist in people's minds and on old TV shows.

A return to the glory days of an imagined Golden Age. A huge plank of any fascist movement. Just sayin'.

re: #216 palomino

Hairdo Perry?

re: #208 Cato the Elder

No it doesn't. Ice will bite him on the neck.

That, I can not guarantee!

re: #186 prairiefire

Good for you. It's like steps on a ladder.

Thanks. I'd considered buying a home at one point, but came to my senses once I really looked at the numbers. I could afford the mortgage, since it was close to what I was paying in rent, but the property taxes and maintenance would have killed me. No way I could have afforded it.

What degree are you going after for graduate work?

This one.

Most of my career has been spent in entertainment in some capacity, so it makes sense. Plus, I'm in Austin, so a degree like that is a no-brainer. Besides, I've already gotten one degree from that school as it is. Getting another shouldn't be that bad. :)

re: #204 Gus 802

That's That amounts to much of what I heard.

Oops.

re: #211 Cato the Elder

In NJ?

Virginia. I live in the Blue Ridge Mountains. Clean air and fresh water. Nothing like it.

re: #222 Gus 802

That's That amounts to much of what I heard.

Oops.

If you're expecting a Cato up- and then downding for self-correction, I'm too drunk.

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

Virginia. I live in the Blue Ridge Mountains. Clean air and fresh water. Nothing like it.

Ah. Once again I let a nick lead me astray.

Are you telling me that's not your real pic in the avatar?

re: #218 Slumbering Behemoth

But, but, but, fascism is "left wing"!!! Bernie sezs so!

re: #198 Stanley Sea

The 'what can I afford' attitude is poison. I'm counting the days until I can get one of those Tata Nano cars. That and a classic, vintage motorcycle I can park under a carport at my apt are all I want.

As for houses - it's even worse for the blue collar sector. In cheaper homes, the maintenance is a heavier burden due to cheaper building materials; the fees and general overhead from creating a mortgage are proportionately higher; they hold their value less well than nicer homes; poorer people often have more irregular income, but the bank wants payment on time every time; the mortgage tax deduction is less valuable if you're in the lower brackets; predatory owners turn your neighborhood into a rent-house slum. Home ownership for poorer people is a burden in a dozen ways.

re: #224 Cato the Elder

If you're expecting a Cato up- and then downding for self-correction, I'm too drunk.

I'm too tired (woke up that way) and just started drinking. Was wondering how I typed out "That's amounts."

re: #212 Killgore Trout

It should be interesting. I probably won't do it until fall, maybe even next year. I does open up a whole new bunch of possibilities. Especially for the winter. My hydroponics experiments are doing pretty well but lugging all those buckets of water around is a bit of a chore. A good greenhouse could easily feed me year round with much less work.

And, maybe be FUN?
KT, you need some fun in your life. (IMHO)
What is your wildest dream?
How could you make it come true?
( None of this lute playing torture, stuff.)

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

Ouch! That's more than 4 times what I pay, for not much more value. Of course, I do have to pay income tax, which Governor Quinn wants to raise. I, or course, much prefer the idea of voting him out of office. I'm not a fan of tax hikes.

Well, I'll tell you, DL, if a graduated income tax was instituted in Texas that levied 5% on my gross pay at my salary to replace school taxes, which presently consumes 13% of may gross income (which if applied across the board would actually be revenue neutral) I'd jump and down. Not gonna happen. The poor have been bamboozled into thinking that no income tax is a boon for them. They have no idea what they are paying in increased rents to cover the landlord's property tax. Plutocracy lives!

re: #229 Floral Giraffe

And, maybe be FUN?
KT, you need some fun in your life. (IMHO)
What is your wildest dream?
How could you make it come true?
( None of this lute playing torture, stuff.)

My personal dream is to someday have a place where I can raise Jindos.

As a tribute to the dog who saves my life every day.

re: #225 Cato the Elder

Ah. Once again I let a nick lead me astray.

Are you telling me that's not your real pic in the avatar?

That's one of the Hanson brothers. Have you ever seen Slapshot?

re: #218 Slumbering Behemoth

A return to the glory days of an imagined Golden Age. A huge plank of any fascist movement. Just sayin'.

It's reactionary. Right-wing. Ultraconservative.

re: #224 Cato the Elder

My friend Mr Guinness agrees.

re: #214 freetoken

Portland is a very livable city. I've lived all over the country and all over the world. Portland ain't bad, all things considered.

re: #198 Stanley Sea

I know those agents, and their friends the brokers. They were quite happy doing whatever deal they could, of course with the big commission payoff at the end.

Yeah I totally understand why from their perspective. The more I spend the more they get. There's definitely incentive there. :) It was just the way it was done that really pissed me off. Just whole lotta BS about making and investment on your future, it's the best to do, this is how investing is done, I care and a I'm teaching you type attitude and if you don't listen you're some sort of uniformed dolt. If it was only me then I'd write it off as a just the person but I know quite a few others who have had a similar experience and can easily see how some people end up with something that they can 'just' afford even in the best of times.

re: #215 Cato the Elder

For the same reason I made Sarah Palin an idiot. Because I can.

Ebil Catoness vibes...
GASP!
Weaves protective spell.

Hippy, dippy, oh save my bippy...

re: #204 Gus 802

That's amounts to much of what I heard. They can be very strict and the cause of a lot of psychological or social grief. It's not like me going over to my neighbors house and asking them to keep the music down. If the association has you on their shit list you're in big trouble from then on.

Exactly right. We were perfectly fine neighbours-- we weren't even home that much. These were a garden co-op kind of deal. But we lived near the president of the assn, and I think she immediately put us on her shitlist because we weren't married, to be honest.

There was also a general bullshit tension between the older people who had been there for many years prior to it going co-op hating the newer, younger residents moving in.
There were various harassment issues. Specifically to do with visitors and parking. There was a designated parking area for visitors but you were technically only supposed to have two at a time. Everyone violated it, and many of the older residents would make money selling a visitors permit to some commuter who needed access to the train. (the train permit parking in this town was super-expensive).
But anytime we had visitors it was guaranteed that there would be a hassle.

re: #202 Cato the Elder

Try being "green" in the 'burbs and hanging your clothes out to dry in your back yard.

They will shun you in church, I tell you.

:) Reminds me of my sojourn with Habitat for Humanity in south Georgia. A church youth group from the upper Midwest was visiting one time, and I accompanied them walking through a neighborhood. Laundry was hanging on the lines. My memory may have improved the anecdote, I admit--but I could swear I heard one of the teens say, "How do the clothes get dry hanging out here?"

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

At some point, ice, I've got to send you an email. My own experiences have been rather different. I can't give detail however. Having googled myself, I know how easy it is to find out where someone is living if you have a few hints. I've got no desire to find a stalker waiting for me when i leave for work one morning.

You do have to send me one! I think you can do so through our youtube info. :)

re: #217 darthstar

Just saw the video where she reads off her hand during the Q&A part...She's not prepared to address her supporters, let alone lead anyone.

I saw that on Ebert's twitter - is it for real?

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

That's one of the Hanson brothers. Have you ever seen Slapshot?

No, but consider it added to my Netflix queue.

Comedy, right? I need more of that.

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

That's one of the Hanson brothers. Have you ever seen Slapshot?

Favorite quote from Slapshot:
"I'm trying to listen to the fucking song!" - one of the Hanson bros when the ref lectures him about fighting during the national anthem.

re: #242 Cato the Elder

No, but consider it added to my Netflix queue.

Comedy, right? I need more of that.

Classic Newman flick about "iron league" hockey club in dying industrial town...it's quite good.

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Portland is a very livable city. I've lived all over the country and all over the world. Portland ain't bad, all things considered.

Except for the number of days of rain.
This criticism brought to you by a denizen of California. Los Angeles, to be specific.

re: #230 austin_blue

Well, I'll tell you, DL, if a graduated income tax was instituted in Texas that levied 5% on my gross pay at my salary to replace school taxes, which presently consumes 13% of may gross income (which if applied across the board would actually be revenue neutral) I'd jump and down. Not gonna happen. The poor have been bamboozled into thinking that no income tax is a boon for them. They have no idea what they are paying in increased rents to cover the landlord's property tax. Plutocracy lives!

If Quinn really would make sure than taxes as a whole stayed the same, I might reconsider. However, Illinois Democrats are not as sane as Texas Democrats and are far more inclined to tax-and-spend liberalism. Conversely, Illinois Republicans are more sane than Texas Republicans, a fact I attribute to a far smaller percentage of fundies.

re: #218 Slumbering Behemoth

A return to the glory days of an imagined Golden Age. A huge plank of any fascist movement. Just sayin'.

I used to admire that sentiment--it seemed traditional and respectful. But it's been perverted now in our discourse, and most of the time means something ugly.

re: #242 Cato the Elder

No, but consider it added to my Netflix queue.

Comedy, right? I need more of that.

Can't play without the foil coach!

re: #245 Floral Giraffe

Except for the number of days of rain.
This criticism brought to you by a denizen of California. Los Angeles, to be specific.

Well, I just lived in Seattle (region) for two weeks. I can testify to the rain thing.

But I hear the summers are nice.

re: #241 Stanley Sea

I saw that on Ebert's twitter - is it for real?

Here:

re: #242 Cato the Elder

No, but consider it added to my Netflix queue.

Comedy, right? I need more of that.

Best sports comedy movie. Period. Paul Newman said it was his favorite movie of all the ones he made.

Click my name for a look at the Hanson brothers.

re: #240 iceweasel

You do have to send me one! I think you can do so through our youtube info. :)

I'll try to do so later in the coming week.

/blame Cato

re: #221 Lidane

So awesome! I'm jealous, that sounds like fun. I'm old school sales. Mainly food sales with food distributor sales shows, broker/sales presentations, demos, making calls.
I also did some radio ad sales with ad productions. Lots of fun, and a challenge.

re: #243 darthstar

Favorite quote from Slapshot:
"I'm trying to listen to the fucking song!" - one of the Hanson bros when the ref lectures him about fighting during the national anthem.

"They brought their fucking toys!"

re: #236 Jadespring

Yeah I totally understand why from their perspective. The more I spend the more they get. There's definitely incentive there. :) It was just the way it was done that really pissed me off. Just whole lotta BS about making and investment on your future, it's the best to do, this is how investing is done, I care and a I'm teaching you type attitude and if you don't listen you're some sort of uniformed dolt. If it was only me then I'd write it off as a just the person but I know quite a few others who have had a similar experience and can easily see how some people end up with something that they can 'just' afford even in the best of times.

Oh I'm with you, I think they preyed on people. And boy I wouldn't want to be them now, with those folks with the adjustables they sold as a good deal, having their phone #.

re: #252 Dark_Falcon