As the Super Bowl draws to its inevitable end (who didn’t like the dramatic hamster ad? or the weird giant toys driving an Acura or whatever it was?), here’s an open thread…
UPDATE at 2/7/10 7:04:49 pm:
Breaking news: a major factor in New Orleans’ win tonight — Bobby Jindal held an exorcism in the locker room right before the game.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:25:45pm |
Six minutes left, can the Saints find a defense on the last series of the season?
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William of Orange Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:26:22pm |
I have a workday this day…….
…and I’m watching the Superbowl…..
…..and it’s 3:25 AM over here now……
I wonder what my face will look in daylight in a couple of hours….
:)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:27:58pm |
re: #1 PT Barnum
You gotta be #@$#@ kiddin’ me! Another Robin Hood flick?
Damn right! Russell Crowe! Ridley Scott!
YIKES! AND AWAAAY!
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The Shadow Do Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:28:21pm |
NO has built it’s season on the Int. Will they get it now?
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:29:24pm |
re: #7 The Shadow Do
NO has built it’s season on the Int. Will they get it now?
millions of updings for you!
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Varek Raith Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:29:26pm |
re: #6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Damn right! Russell Crowe! Ridley Scott!
YIKES! AND AWAAAY!
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:29:31pm |
re: #6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Damn right! Russell Crowe! Ridley Scott!
YIKES! AND AWAAAY!
I dunno..if it’s not Kevin frickin Costner all over again…I might forgive them…
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:30:09pm |
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William of Orange Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:31:16pm |
re: #8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Helen Thomas?
LOL! Yeah.
I think today you’re going to find me taking a rest during the day.
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:31:26pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:32:55pm |
I’ve missed “cut to the French Quarter” shots? WTHeck? Have there been none?
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The Shadow Do Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:33:31pm |
Shit, I so wish I was on Bourbon St tonight. This would be an entertaining way to end a life.
Congrats my Boudin eatin’ Cajun cousins!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:34:26pm |
I LOLed at the Visio ad with Tay Zonday of Chocolate Rain fame being picked up by a robotic arm.
After this I’ll go back to my usual, which is watching Top Gear, Venture Bros, and the occasional Maddow or Daily Show.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:34:53pm |
re: #32 The Shadow Do
Shit, I so wish I was on Bourbon St tonight. This would be an entertaining way to end a life.
Congrats my Boudin eatin’ Cajun cousins!
what a quote that is :D
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windsagio Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:35:29pm |
of for some postgame fun!
also! New ATHF tonight, you guys have a good one :)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:36:42pm |
Oh, was there a football game on tonight?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:36:52pm |
re: #35 windsagio
I have to watch that with closed captions on… can’t understand a damn word. Loses its fun.
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Petero1818 Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:37:26pm |
re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I’ve missed “cut to the French Quarter” shots? WTHeck? Have there been none?
Lots of bourbon street webcam sites
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:37:55pm |
re: #38 Petero1818
Oh, I know… But I’m shocked that they haven’t moved there some.
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webevintage Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:37:57pm |
re: #33 WindUpBird
After this I’ll go back to my usual, which is watching Top Gear, Venture Bros, and the occasional Maddow or Daily Show.
Venture Brothers back to new episodes?
The Dorito Ninja?
Awwwww-some…
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Petero1818 Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:38:47pm |
re: #39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, I know… But I’m shocked that they haven’t moved there some.
maybe saving it for the end. I am surprised too. But they have to work in commercials wherever there is 30 seconds
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avanti Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:38:51pm |
re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I’ve missed “cut to the French Quarter” shots? WTHeck? Have there been none?
Knowing the quarter, it would have to be on a delay.
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:40:07pm |
No comments on the “Green Police” I thought that was funny, but probably hit too close to home for some folks!
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Claire Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:41:33pm |
re: #44 Stanley Sea
No comments on the “Green Police” I thought that was funny, but probably hit too close to home for some folks!
Is that a styrofoam cup in your car? Please exit the vehicle………..lol.
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:42:15pm |
re: #46 Claire
Is that a styrofoam cup in your car? Please exit the vehicle…lol.
The guy running away from the cops from the hot tub!!
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The Shadow Do Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:43:03pm |
re: #34 WindUpBird
what a quote that is :D
As you get older the idea of “he went quietly in his sleep” becomes less and less appealing. Fuck it, have a drink, shout out an epithet and then die. Say I.
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:44:09pm |
Having recently read Connie Willis’ _Last of the Winnebagos_ which included the Humane Society having police powers that commercial hit a bit close to home in terms of overkill.
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:44:12pm |
The jello’s jiggling & the butter’s getting hard.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:44:17pm |
re: #48 The Shadow Do
As you get older the idea of “he went quietly in his sleep” becomes less and less appealing. Fuck it, have a drink, shout out an epithet and then die. Say I.
I had a friend whose father passed away while sitting on the deck of his vacation home, reading a book, looking out on a great view.
Just put the book down, went to sleep, didn’t wake up.
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William of Orange Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:44:46pm |
[Link: www.earthcam.com…]
Hard to reach. Very busy at the moment. :)
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The Shadow Do Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:46:40pm |
re: #51 EmmmieG
I had a friend whose father passed away while sitting on the deck of his vacation home, reading a book, looking out on a great view.
Just put the book down, went to sleep, didn’t wake up.
Poetic for sure. I prefer to go out all piss and vinegar. Probaly will not happen though. Die in line at the DMV more likely.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:48:32pm |
Armored Saint- March of the Saint (live 2000)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:49:12pm |
Boy, if a town ever needed something… glad it came to fruition…
Hoosier? Love ya, man!
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Firstinla Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:50:10pm |
NOLA rocks with a new mayor and a Super Bowl trophy. Way to go, Saints.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:50:49pm |
When does football season start? I’m already jonesin’.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:50:57pm |
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:51:06pm |
Hey Lizard!
Not being a football fan, and having other things to do, I didn’t watch the game.
I did however watch part of the half-time. I heard from the other room that Roger Daltry still had his voice and came in to watch. The light show, the entire show was fabulous, IMHO.
How are you-all?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:51:30pm |
re: #48 The Shadow Do
As you get older the idea of “he went quietly in his sleep” becomes less and less appealing. Fuck it, have a drink, shout out an epithet and then die. Say I.
“No… you’re right, Ed. A parachute not opening… that’s a way to die. Getting caught in the gears of a combine… having your nuts bit off by a Laplander, that’s the way I wanna go!”
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:51:40pm |
re: #68 reine.de.tout
Very happy for your folks.
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:51:43pm |
re: #51 EmmmieG
I had a friend whose father passed away while sitting on the deck of his vacation home, reading a book, looking out on a great view.
Just put the book down, went to sleep, didn’t wake up.
I wanna go that way. What a way to go!
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reine.de.tout Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:52:00pm |
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The Shadow Do Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:52:12pm |
re: #68 reine.de.tout
WOO-HOO!
SAINTS WIN!
gotta give us a Super Bowl recipe in the new book, you know you do!
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William of Orange Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:52:35pm |
I hope you won’t mind me going to bed… 3:52 AM now…
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:52:47pm |
Even as a non-football fan, I can certainly enjoy this win, NO is home to half my family, and this is so not like the predictions about this game.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:52:52pm |
That was an exciting game, and Tracy Porter’s run was amazing.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:52:53pm |
re: #70 WindUpBird
“No… you’re right, Ed. A parachute not opening… that’s a way to die. Getting caught in the gears of a combine… having your nuts bit off by a Laplander, that’s the way I wanna go!”
YES!
/all original
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:52:57pm |
re: #75 The Shadow Do
gotta give us a Super Bowl recipe in the new book, you know you do!
I would think a nice hangover cure would be good.
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Political Atheist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:53:10pm |
re: #74 reine.de.tout
So happy for ya! NO walks proud tonight!
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reine.de.tout Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:54:11pm |
There go the fireworks!
I knew I’d hear some!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:54:16pm |
Don’t remember being happier for a town from a sport.
DETROIT LIONS, SUPERBOWL NEXT YEAR!
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Claire Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:54:22pm |
A Cajun who died went to hell. The devil assigned him the usual punishment -put him in the mass pit where the heat was melting others. The devil came back sometime later surprised to find the Cajun just sitting around, not even misting, much less sweating. “How come you’re not so much as sweating here where everyone else is screaming for relief from the heat?”
The Cajun laughed and said, “Man, I was raised in the bayous of Sout Looziana. Dis ain’t nothin’ but May in Morgan City to me!”
The devil decided to really put the Cajun through it. He put him in a sealed off cave in the pit with open blazes and four extra furnaces blasting. When he came back, days later, the Cajun was sitting pretty, had barely begun to bead up with sweat. The devil was outraged. “How is this possible!? You should be melted to a shrieking puddle in these conditions!”
The Cajun laughed even harder than before. “Hey, man! I done tole you. I was raised in Sout Looziana. You tink dis is heat?! Dis ain’t nothin’ but August in Cow Island!”
So the devil thought, “Alright, a little reverse ought to do the trick.” He put the Cajun into a corner of hell where no heat ever reached. It was freezing and to add to the Cajun’s misery, he added massive icebergs and blasting frozen air. When he returned, the Cajun was shivering, ice hung from every part of him but he was grinning like it was Christmas. Exasperated, the devil asked “HOW!? How is it possible?! You’re impervious to heat and here you sit in conditions you can’t be used to - freezing cold and yet you’re happier than if you were in heaven. WHY?!”
The Cajun kept grinning and asked, “Don’t dis mean de Saints won da Super Bowl?”
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The Shadow Do Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:54:36pm |
re: #80 Decatur Deb
I would think a nice hangover cure would be good.
…or a recipe that provided a perpetual buzz
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:55:08pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:55:09pm |
BTW… that Bears commercial?
SA-HUCKED!
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:55:33pm |
re: #70 WindUpBird
“No… you’re right, Ed. A parachute not opening… that’s a way to die. Getting caught in the gears of a combine… having your nuts bit off by a Laplander, that’s the way I wanna go!”
I’ve had two main chute total malfunctions. For the couple seconds before the reserve opening shock, you know a bit of what it’s like to be dying.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:56:51pm |
re: #82 reine.de.tout
There go the fireworks!
I knew I’d hear some!
I’m hearing some fireworks, here, too!
Geaux Saints!
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Political Atheist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:58:24pm |
re: #89 Floral Giraffe
stay inside, might not all be fireworks :)
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Charles Johnson Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:58:31pm |
Why is Andrew Breitbart sending me this weird message on Twitter?
Boycott Breitbart, the ‘courseloader’! @lizardoid
Am I supposed to know what that means?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:59:12pm |
re: #90 Rightwingconspirator
On the bright side, they bump you up to the next spot on the jump manifest, so you get it out of your system.
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Obdicut Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:59:32pm |
re: #93 Charles
Courseloader?
He also posted this:
I’m a ‘courseloader’! I want to see what classes Obama took at Occidental & Columbia. Show me his professors, papers, too.
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Obdicut Sun, Feb 7, 2010 6:59:56pm |
re: #93 Charles
He’s proudly declaring that he really deeply cares about Obama’s courseload.
Huh. That’s pretty damn sad.
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Donna Ballard Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:00:03pm |
CONGRATULATIONS NEW ORLEANS SAINTS! YOU DESERVE IT! GREAT GAME!
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:00:13pm |
re: #93 Charles
Why is Andrew Breitbart sending me this weird message on Twitter?
Am I supposed to know what that means?
Beats me. Looks like he’s trolling for more attention. Breitbart doesn’t seem able to distinguish between good media attention and bad.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:01:11pm |
re: #98 iceweasel
Beats me. Looks like he’s trolling for more attention. Breitbart doesn’t seem able to distinguish between good media attention and bad.
For some people ANY attention is more than they deserve.
Just saying!
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Charles Johnson Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:01:26pm |
A major factor in New Orleans’ win tonight — Bobby Jindal held an exorcism in the locker room right before the game.
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:01:43pm |
re: #96 Obdicut
He’s proudly declaring that he really deeply cares about Obama’s courseload.
Huh. That’s pretty damn sad.
Wow, seriously?
Remember, he’s not a nirther! ///
I wonder if he really wants us to start talking about O’Keefe’s Rutgers career, more than people already have been, that is.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:01:55pm |
just saw james carville’s mug in the crowd
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Virginia Plain Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:01:58pm |
The afterparty, and then Mardi Gras on Tuesday. New Orleans will be rocking these next few days.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:02:09pm |
re: #101 Charles
A major factor in New Orleans’ win tonight — Bobby Jindal held an exorcism in the locker room right before the game.
You just guaranteed his next election.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:02:29pm |
re: #93 Charles
It’s Breitbart’s version of of the Nirth certifikit……
I’m a ‘courseloader’! I want to see what classes Obama took at Occidental & Columbia. Show me his professors, papers, too.
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Virginia Plain Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:02:56pm |
re: #102 iceweasel
I want to know what papers this guy has written.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:02:58pm |
re: #101 Charles
A major factor in New Orleans’ win tonight — Bobby Jindal held an exorcism in the locker room right before the game.
He did not.
I had a spy in the locker room.
Jindal was nowhere around.
And that’s why they won.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:03:04pm |
re: #101 Charles
A major factor in New Orleans’ win tonight — Bobby Jindal held an exorcism in the locker room right before the game.
ooooooooohhhhhhhh
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webevintage Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:03:13pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:03:17pm |
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:03:21pm |
re: #101 Charles
A major factor in New Orleans’ win tonight — Bobby Jindal held an exorcism in the locker room right before the game.
actually, a good friend of mine DID address the Saints team this morning in their meeting at the hotel … a famous NBA coach and n’awlins native.
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:03:44pm |
re: #98 iceweasel
Beats me. Looks like he’s trolling for more attention. Breitbart doesn’t seem able to distinguish between good media attention and bad.
He should reminisce about his Sarah fantasy and retire for the evening.
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:05:22pm |
re: #108 reine.de.tout
He did not.
I had a spy in the locker room.
Jindal was nowhere around.
And that’s why they won.
Did you see the sign in the stands? “Canonize Brees Stat!”
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Killgore Trout Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:05:44pm |
Looks like Breitbart is going to attempt to drive out the Birthers. Good luck with that. Not only were they invited to speak at the convention they got standing ovations.
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:05:46pm |
re: #113 Stanley Sea
He should reminisce about his Sarah fantasy and retire for the evening.
Breitbart has a Palin fantasy too? I must have blocked that out.
Gus and I were talking last night about Rich Lowry’s love for Lady Starburst though. :)
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Charles Johnson Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:06:15pm |
re: #106 Killgore Trout
It’s Breitbart’s version of of the Nirth certifikit…
Ah. Curious that he seems to think I’m aware of the internal monologue that led to this strained metaphor.
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:06:32pm |
re: #116 iceweasel
Breitbart has a Palin fantasy too? I must have blocked that out.
Gus and I were talking last night about Rich Lowry’s love for Lady Starburst though. :)
He stated such in his intro last night. gag
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:06:45pm |
re: #115 Killgore Trout
Looks like Breitbart is going to attempt to drive out the Birthers. Good luck with that. Not only were they invited to speak at the convention they got standing ovations.
Did they ever do the anti-birther press conference?
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Racer X Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:06:47pm |
That was a great game, well, except for the one turnover. Would have been nice to see it continue to go back and forth. Manning and Brees were both hitting their targets and the defense could not keep up.
Oh, coach Payton has some stones in his sack.
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:07:11pm |
re: #115 Killgore Trout
Looks like Breitbart is going to attempt to drive out the Birthers. Good luck with that. Not only were they invited to speak at the convention they got standing ovations.
Hey! Whatever happened to the presser to distance themselves from the nirthers? Never happened did it?
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Interesting Times Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:07:17pm |
re: #113 Stanley Sea
He should reminisce about his Sarah fantasy and retire for
the eveninggood.
Fixed :)
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reine.de.tout Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:08:16pm |
re: #114 Stanley Sea
Did you see the sign in the stands? “Canonize Brees Stat!”
Saw this:
Thank you, Breesus!
Oh, I am so going to hell for that.
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Taqyia2Me Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:08:23pm |
re: #120 Racer X
That was a great game, well, except for the one turnover. Would have been nice to see it continue to go back and forth. Manning and Brees were both hitting their targets and the defense could not keep up.
Oh, coach Payton has some stones in his sack.
The onside kick was one for the ages, football-wise.
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:08:41pm |
re: #118 Stanley Sea
He stated such in his intro last night. gag
I couldn’t watch him. He makes me sick and I had watched a few videos of him all too recently. I shut it off in an atavistic fit of disgust.
Maybe later.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:08:46pm |
re: #83 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Don’t remember being happier for a town from a sport.
DETROIT LIONS, SUPERBOWL NEXT YEAR!
Nobody here cares about the freaking Lions. We have the Red Wings, the Tigers, the Pistons.
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Taqyia2Me Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:08:57pm |
re: #123 reine.de.tout
Saw this:
Thank you, Breesus!
Oh, I am so going to hell for that.
Maybe, but you’ll go to hell a Saint!
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Claire Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:09:05pm |
re: #117 Charles
Ah. Curious that he seems to think I’m aware of the internal monologue that led to this strained metaphor.
Plug your ponytail into the nutwork and tell us what the buzz is.
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:09:46pm |
re: #125 iceweasel
I couldn’t watch him. He makes me sick and I had watched a few videos of him all too recently. I shut it off in an atavistic fit of disgust.
Maybe later.
Wingnut overload can be harmful to one’s health. /
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Racer X Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:10:13pm |
re: #124 Taqyia2Me
The onside kick was one for the ages, football-wise.
Yep. Totally caught the Colts by surprise.
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:11:10pm |
re: #129 Gus 802
Wingnut overload can be harmful to one’s health. /
Small doses. And lots of alcohol later for disinfectant.
The cure may well also kill me, but it’s a better way to go. :)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:11:20pm |
re: #130 Racer X
Great! Great! Great! Gutsy football call.
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:12:34pm |
re: #131 iceweasel
Small doses. And lots of alcohol later for disinfectant.
The cure may well also kill me, but it’s a better way to go. :)
I thought drinking was required before viewing.
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:13:42pm |
re: #133 Gus 802
I thought drinking was required before viewing.
Heh. WINGNUT WATCHIN— UR DOIN IT RONG.
That might be the problem!
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Racer X Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:13:43pm |
re: #132 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Great! Great! Great! Gutsy football call.
Yep. Right up there with Belicheck calling for his team to take a knee in the end zone to go down by 5, then letting his defense take over to give them a chance to come back and win the game. Which they did.
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Jimmah Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:14:15pm |
The BBC is doing an extremely poor job in reporting the reality of the tea party movement, sad to say. I watched a Newsnight feature on them last week which was a total whitewash, and now this stupid puff-piece:
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:14:30pm |
re: #134 iceweasel
Heh. WINGNUT WATCHIN— UR DOIN IT RONG.
That might be the problem!
I’m recuperating from last night.
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:16:33pm |
re: #137 Gus 802
I’m recuperating from last night.
So am I! That was a good beatdown you gave the homophobe that turned up. SB too. JFC’s animal vid was awesome.
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Interesting Times Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:16:55pm |
re: #125 iceweasel
I couldn’t watch him. He makes me sick and I had watched a few videos of him all too recently. I shut it off in an atavistic fit of disgust.
My feelings exactly when I stumbled across this precious nugget on Google Trends last year. That taught me pretty much everything I needed to know about Breitbart and his loyal followers.
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Donna Ballard Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:17:12pm |
Have a great evening everyone, type to you later. :-)
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Taqyia2Me Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:18:00pm |
[Link: online.wsj.com…]
“….Confiscating the 2009 profits of the entire insurance industry would pay for two days of U.S. health care…..”
(one of the problems one creates when demonizing an entire industry….imho)
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:18:01pm |
re: #139 iceweasel
So am I! That was a good beatdown you gave the homophobe that turned up. SB too. JFC’s animal vid was awesome.
Thanks. Yeah, that dude was a jerk. He even got somewhat passive-aggressive right away.
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:18:15pm |
re: #140 publicityStunted
My feelings exactly when I stumbled across this precious nugget on Google Trends last year. That taught me pretty much everything I needed to know about Breitbart and his loyal followers.
Wow, never saw that before. What a tool.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:19:28pm |
re: #136 Jimmah
The BBC is doing an extremely poor job in reporting the reality of the tea party movement, sad to say. I watched a Newsnight feature on them last week which was a total whitewash, and now this stupid puff-piece:
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]
Improved: “The millions of tea partiers, as they are sometimes known,”
And they tripled her reported fee. Bad for the Beeb.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:20:00pm |
re: #140 publicityStunted
My feelings exactly when I stumbled across this precious nugget on Google Trends last year. That taught me pretty much everything I needed to know about Breitbart and his loyal followers.
EW, ick!
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srb1976 Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:22:28pm |
Evening, hope I’m not to late to say Hooray Saints!!
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:24:28pm |
re: #140 publicityStunted
My feelings exactly when I stumbled across this precious nugget on Google Trends last year. That taught me pretty much everything I needed to know about Breitbart and his loyal followers.
Holy shit. That was bad.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:25:18pm |
re: #146 reine.de.tout
Toots! Goodnight… parting Saint’s shot…
Today from my facebook… from a NOLa native friend of mine… goes to my church… true story…
This morning in church, a verse in one of the Hymns (O God our help in ages past) went like this: “Under the shadow of thy throne, Thy Saints have dwelt secure, Sufficient is Thine arm alone, And our Defense is sure. “
I think God is a Saints fan.
Thought you’d appreciate that…
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:25:38pm |
re: #144 iceweasel
Wow, never saw that before. What a tool.
He’s a regular old modern day Phyllis Schlafly. Emphasis on the modern.
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Jimmah Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:25:58pm |
Linton Kwesi Johnson - the MacGonagle of dub poetry?
Now I’m standin’ in the rain in vain, Loraine
Hoping to see you again
Tears fall from me eyes like rain, Loraine
A terrible pain in me brain, Loraine
You’re drivin’ me insane
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:26:04pm |
re: #139 iceweasel
So am I! That was a good beatdown you gave the homophobe that turned up. SB too. JFC’s animal vid was awesome.
Um am I “JFC”, where does the “C” come from?
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:26:09pm |
re: #140 publicityStunted
My feelings exactly when I stumbled across this precious nugget on Google Trends last year. That taught me pretty much everything I needed to know about Breitbart and his loyal followers.
I mean, doesn’t this stuff follow a person around? After writing something like that he should never have gotten the MC gig at the tea party last night.
Or maybe that’s the point.
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:27:11pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:28:14pm |
re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Toots! Goodnight… parting Saint’s shot…
Today from my facebook… from a NOLa native friend of mine… goes to my church… true story…
This morning in church, a verse in one of the Hymns (O God our help in ages past) went like this: “Under the shadow of thy throne, Thy Saints have dwelt secure, Sufficient is Thine arm alone, And our Defense is sure. “
I think God is a Saints fan.
Thought you’d appreciate that…
:-)
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:31:05pm |
re: #152 jamesfirecat
Um am I “JFC”, where does the “C” come from?
What Gus said. I was just typing quickly and abbreviating your nic. If there’s something you prefer instead let me know.
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Mich-again Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:31:10pm |
Congrats to the Saints and their fans for a fine Super Bowl victory tonight. Mardi Gras starts a little early this year.
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blueraven Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:31:33pm |
re: #93 Charles
Why is Andrew Breitbart sending me this weird message on Twitter?
Am I supposed to know what that means?
I think he has just lost it.
His ace cub reporter gets arrested in New Orleans for breaking into Mary Landreau’s office.
Yesterday New Orleans elects her brother, Mitch Landreau as the new Mayor
Today the New Orleans Saints win the Super Bowl!
coincidence.?…I think not.
ACORN!!
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:31:33pm |
re: #44 Stanley Sea
No comments on the “Green Police” I thought that was funny, but probably hit too close to home for some folks!
“A proggy wet dream”, it’s being termed elseweb.
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Interesting Times Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:33:07pm |
re: #144 iceweasel
re: #146 reine.de.tout
One can’t help but marvel, however, at the cognitive dissonance on display: juvenile, disgusting racist mockery (when the two reporters in question grew up in the US and don’t even have Chinese accents) coupled with sanitizing a certain naughty word by substituting “z” for “s”. Racism good, swear words bad? My head…Advil where are thou…
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:33:11pm |
re: #159 The Sanity Inspector
“A proggy wet dream”, it’s being termed elseweb.
Who was it, Honda? Toyota? Wonder if they’ll get complaints…
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:33:31pm |
re: #161 Stanley Sea
Who was it, Honda? Toyota? Wonder if they’ll get complaints…
Volvo. They’ll probably double their sales.
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:33:50pm |
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austin_blue Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:33:55pm |
Outstanding! With apologies to Hoosier Hoops, the Colts got outcoached tonight.
Sweet!
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:35:31pm |
re: #156 iceweasel
What Gus said. I was just typing quickly and abbreviating your nic. If there’s something you prefer instead let me know.
No JFC is fine, I was just expecting JF, since a lot of the other times I write it, Firecat is one word in and of itself not two.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:35:44pm |
re: #160 publicityStunted
With a little sexism thrown in for good measure. Jerk.
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RealismRox Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:36:39pm |
re: #153 Stanley Sea
I mean, doesn’t this stuff follow a person around? After writing something like that he should never have gotten the MC gig at the tea party last night.
Or maybe that’s the point.
I think it was just a comment on his blog, not something he wrote himself.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:37:18pm |
re: #153 Stanley Sea
I mean, doesn’t this stuff follow a person around? After writing something like that he should never have gotten the MC gig at the tea party last night.
Or maybe that’s the point.
Yeah, I think that’s the whole point. The speeches about bringing back the racist policy of “literacy” tests for voting and Palin’s shout out to Pat Buchanan today. Rs McCain, Michelle Malkin writing for VDARE. It all adds up. The only two black people at the convention were both paid speakers.
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:37:18pm |
re: #167 RealismRox
I think it was just a comment on his blog, not something he wrote himself.
Oh. Funny how that goes.
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Interesting Times Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:40:23pm |
re: #167 RealismRox
I think it was just a comment on his blog, not something he wrote himself.
I kind of wondered the same thing myself, since I couldn’t bring myself to click the link (a website devoted to creative vegetable porn would have constituted more pleasant viewing…)
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Racer X Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:40:27pm |
Got this via email. True? Or BS?
Our Social Security
Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social
Security (FICA) Program. He promised:
1.) That participation in the program would be completely voluntary.
No longer Voluntary2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the program.
Now 7.65 %3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year.
No longer tax deductible
4.) That the money the participants put into the independent ‘Trust Fund’ rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security retirement program, and no other government program.
Under Johnson the money was moved to the General Fund and spent. It’s now gone.
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.
Under Clinton & Gore up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed.
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent ‘Trust Fund’ and put it into the general fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democratically controlled House and Senate.Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
A: The DemocratsQ: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?
A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the ‘tie-breaking’ deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the USQ: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?
A: Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party.
immigrants who moved into this country, at age 65,
began to receive Social Security payments! The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:41:13pm |
re: #161 Stanley Sea
Who was it, Honda? Toyota? Wonder if they’ll get complaints…
I think it was Audi.
I personally didn’t like the ad, thought it was stupid (just my .02) I can’t figure how they think they’ll get sales from it.
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:41:33pm |
re: #171 Racer X
Got this via email. True? Or BS?
Here’s something at Snopes:
[Link: www.snopes.com…]
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Racer X Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:41:42pm |
re: #170 publicityStunted
(a website devoted to creative vegetable porn would have constituted more pleasant viewing…)
Hey, uh, is that a carrot?
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Jimmah Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:42:23pm |
What do cats and violins have in common? Stephen Fry with the answers…
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reine.de.tout Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:42:48pm |
re: #176 Jimmah
What do cats and violins have in common? Stephen Fry with the answers…
[Video]
uh-oh.
Do I click, or do I not click?
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Racer X Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:43:05pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:44:38pm |
re: #95 Obdicut
Courseloader?
He also posted this:
For the record, in case I ever run for office, I took a class junior year on Irish Nationalism. I also took a class on Chinese Art, and, uh…
That’s about as sinister as it gets, I think.
Oh, in my teaching credential I took Bilingual Education and also a class on Teaching In A Multicultural Society or something like that.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:45:13pm |
re: #174 Gus 802
Here’s something at Snopes:
[Link: www.snopes.com…]
Seems like the quintesential pile of BS with just a dusting of truth…
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:45:53pm |
re: #181 jamesfirecat
Seems like the quintesential pile of BS with just a dusting of truth…
Yep. Most of those emails are usually a bunch of BS.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:46:28pm |
re: #69 ggt
Hey Lizard!
Not being a football fan, and having other things to do, I didn’t watch the game.
I did however watch part of the half-time. I heard from the other room that Roger Daltry still had his voice and came in to watch. The light show, the entire show was fabulous, IMHO.
How are you-all?
He may still have his 2000 voice, but he hasn’t had his 1971 voice in forever. The only hard rock singer from his era that’s kept his pipes intact, that I can think of off-hand, is Paul Rodgers.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:46:40pm |
re: #123 reine.de.tout
Saw this:
Thank you, Breesus!
Oh, I am so going to hell for that.
Sure, you must be knowing that God is a Saints fan too…
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:47:59pm |
If paying social security is voluntary, please inform me where I can opt out.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:48:56pm |
re: #186 TampaKnight
If paying social security is voluntary, please inform me where I can opt out.
Didn’t you read the full letter, it used to be voluntary until the EVILLL democrats got involved…
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:50:07pm |
re: #188 jamesfirecat
Didn’t you read the full letter, it used to be voluntary until the EVILLL democrats got involved…
Maybe not evil, but stupid. This program should have been disbanded after the depression….people have 40+ years to save for retirement. I’m also quite certain that by the time I’m retiring, that pot of money will be long gone.
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:51:44pm |
re: #189 TampaKnight
Maybe not evil, but stupid. This program should have been disbanded after the depression…people have 40+ years to save for retirement. I’m also quite certain that by the time I’m retiring, that pot of money will be long gone.
The program exists to keep the elderly out of poverty. That’s only going to be an increasing problem, with people living longer.
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acwgusa Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:51:49pm |
I have an Audi. Thanks to that stupid ass commercial, it will be the last Audi I buy.
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acwgusa Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:53:10pm |
re: #190 iceweasel
The program exists to keep the elderly out of poverty. That’s only going to be an increasing problem, with people living longer.
It’s not working. Social Security payments are not enough to live on.
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:53:15pm |
re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist
For the record, in case I ever run for office, I took a class junior year on Irish Nationalism. I also took a class on Chinese Art, and, uh…
That’s about as sinister as it gets, I think.
Oh, in my teaching credential I took Bilingual Education and also a class on Teaching In A Multicultural Society or something like that.
Advanced Studies: Marxist Basket Weaving
Yeah, the sinister aspects of university studies can only go so far. They still must remain legal or at least not teach anything that encourages the breaking of laws. I’ve mentioned before that former SCOTUS nominee Bork was a student of Marxism. I never determined if that was at a university. I heard Karl Rove mention once “everybody used to study Marxism” at one point or another.
I know I’m focusing on Marxism. One can study it and still oppose it. In fact I think the best critic would be one that has studied Marxism rather than treat it as an untouchable subject. Further along those line it is very likely that many people that took courses from Ward Churchill were very much opposed to him. Curiosity of a subject does not make a worshiper of that subject.
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:53:18pm |
re: #190 iceweasel
The program exists to keep the elderly out of poverty. That’s only going to be an increasing problem, with people living longer.
So without it the entire elderly population would sink into poverty? Don’t buy that for one second.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:53:18pm |
re: #189 TampaKnight
Maybe not evil, but stupid. This program should have been disbanded after the depression…people have 40+ years to save for retirement. I’m also quite certain that by the time I’m retiring, that pot of money will be long gone.
See, now I just can’t make snappy comments, and being one of those East Coast liberal types its way too late at night for me to have a meaningful discussion with you.
So instead let me just say that…
For better or for worse, bear in mind three things…
1) Reality trumps ideology at the end of the day.
2) Old people vote in droves.
3) Who social security gets paid to.
And that’s why its still with us and the old folks will probably see to it that taxes get increased on “those young whipper snappers” who are still working before they let it dry up….
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acwgusa Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:54:13pm |
re: #194 TampaKnight
So without it the entire elderly population would sink into poverty? Don’t buy that for one second.
Some of the elderly can barely afford rent, let alone drug coverage and rent.
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:55:18pm |
re: #195 jamesfirecat
See, now I just can’t make snappy comments, and being one of those East Coast liberal types its way too late at night for me to have a meaningful discussion with you.
So instead let me just say that…
For better or for worse, bear in mind three things…
1) Reality trumps ideology at the end of the day.
2) Old people vote in droves.
3) Who social security gets paid to.
And that’s why its still with us and the old folks will probably see to it that taxes get increased on “those young whipper snappers” who are still working before they let it dry up…
Ok, reality- the reality is that I’ll probably pay into a system for 35+ years and I’ll never see a dime from that “pot of money” I’m supposedly paying into.
So while they’re lobbying to tax me more, I’m essentially have money confiscated with no chance of ever seeing it again. To me, that is reality full of alot of “bullshit”.
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acwgusa Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:55:27pm |
re: #195 jamesfirecat
See, now I just can’t make snappy comments, and being one of those East Coast liberal types its way too late at night for me to have a meaningful discussion with you.
So instead let me just say that…
For better or for worse, bear in mind three things…
1) Reality trumps ideology at the end of the day.
2) Old people vote in droves.
3) Who social security gets paid to.
And that’s why its still with us and the old folks will probably see to it that taxes get increased on “those young whipper snappers” who are still working before they let it dry up…
What are the elderly going to do when the tax base shrinks to a point?
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:55:42pm |
Evening lizards!
Outstanding Superbowl! The game was exciting and surprisingly the commercials were pretty good this year too. Congrats to NO, they deserve it.
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:56:03pm |
re: #192 acwgusa
It’s not working. Social Security payments are not enough to live on.
Believe me, I know that. Imagine what it would be like for people to have even that taken away, though.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:56:43pm |
My son is watching Solitary. Stupid has a new low.
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acwgusa Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:57:22pm |
re: #200 iceweasel
Believe me, I know that. Imagine what it would be like for people to have even that taken away, though.
I don’t need to imagine. I was a frontline worker in California’s joke of a welfare system.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:58:14pm |
re: #198 acwgusa
What are the elderly going to do when the tax base shrinks to a point?
I believe they plan to be dead.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:58:16pm |
OK, who had the best commercials?
Budweiser, as usual, tops in all products.
The Simpsons Coca-Cola ad.
GoDaddy
Intel ad with the Robot from Wall-E as a waitress
Teh Suck:
The one where all the guys are talking in weird electronic voices
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:58:23pm |
This argument basically boils down the problem with welfare: everyone seems to agree that it essentially doesn’t work, yet are reluctant to end the program since so many have grown dependent on it.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:58:53pm |
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:59:40pm |
re: #205 TampaKnight
This argument basically boils down the problem with welfare: everyone seems to agree that it essentially doesn’t work, yet are reluctant to end the program since so many have grown dependent on it.
We really need to have this conversation earlier in the day.
What would have to happen for you to consider social security “to work”?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:59:44pm |
re: #186 TampaKnight
If paying social security is voluntary, please inform me where I can opt out.
Become a railroad worker. Things are not as simple as they seem.
[Link: www.educationmoney.com…]
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Feb 7, 2010 7:59:48pm |
re: #205 TampaKnight
This argument basically boils down the problem with welfare: everyone seems to agree that it essentially doesn’t work, yet are reluctant to end the program since so many have grown dependent on it.
No welfare, no jobs = torches & pitchforks
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acwgusa Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:00:10pm |
re: #205 TampaKnight
This argument basically boils down the problem with welfare: everyone seems to agree that it essentially doesn’t work, yet are reluctant to end the program since so many have grown dependent on it.
It doesn’t do what it was intended to do. It became self-perpetuating, a caricature of what it was meant to be, a temporary hand up until a person recovered for themselves.
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:00:51pm |
re: #207 jamesfirecat
We really need to have this conversation earlier in the day.
What would have to happen for you to consider social security “to work”?
The program inherently no longer serves it’s original purpose, so to me it can’t work.
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acwgusa Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:01:39pm |
re: #207 jamesfirecat
We really need to have this conversation earlier in the day.
What would have to happen for you to consider social security “to work”?
Social Security doesn’t really “work”. It’s a pyramid scheme of the highest convoluted order.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:01:48pm |
re: #211 TampaKnight
The program inherently no longer serves it’s original purpose, so to me it can’t work.
And to you its original purpose was?
Sorry I’m not a mind reader and I want to make sure we have all the variables agreed upon…
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Cygnus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:02:32pm |
The coach of the Saints should host an official burning of the Paper Bag of Shame. Along with having a couple of Hurricanes from Pat O’Brien’s.
Congrats Saints! You deserve this one!
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:02:47pm |
re: #212 Racer X
Why does it say 2005 on the building? Or is that because that was when they first put the idea forward….
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:03:10pm |
re: #214 jamesfirecat
And to you its original purpose was?
Sorry I’m not a mind reader and I want to make sure we have all the variables agreed upon…
It was a safety mechanism put in place to aid people who were completely wiped out in the Depression- now, we can argue the merit of this government expansion under FDR….but that was the purpose.
It wasn’t meant to be a perpetual entitlement.
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:03:36pm |
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acwgusa Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:03:53pm |
re: #217 TampaKnight
It was a safety mechanism put in place to aid people who were completely wiped out in the Depression- now, we can argue the merit of this government expansion under FDR…but that was the purpose.
It wasn’t meant to be a perpetual entitlement.
It also presupposed that people could manage their own retirement.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:04:15pm |
re: #142 Taqyia2Me
[Link: online.wsj.com…]
“…Confiscating the 2009 profits of the entire insurance industry would pay for two days of U.S. health care…”
(one of the problems one creates when demonizing an entire industry…imho)
If they confiscate all the profits, then…where are their political donations going to come from?
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The Shadow Do Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:04:55pm |
New Orlean Saints. The best team in football. This will take some getting used to.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:05:40pm |
re: #204 Alouette
More good ones…
The Leno/Letterman commercial
Snickers w/Betty White & Abe Vigota (Fish)
All the “Dorito commercials
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:06:25pm |
People know from the minute they start working at age 15, 18, or 20 that someday that will indeed want to retire, and to do so will require money.
Why our government feels that 40 years of saving is not enough time for it’s citizens to provide for their own retirement is beyond me.
The real answer to why it exists today is that people would rather have others provide for what they are unwilling to provide for themselves.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:07:08pm |
re: #217 TampaKnight
It was a safety mechanism put in place to aid people who were completely wiped out in the Depression- now, we can argue the merit of this government expansion under FDR…but that was the purpose.
It wasn’t meant to be a perpetual entitlement.
Re-look that. This document collection is a good place to start:
[Link: www.socialsecurity.gov…]
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:07:18pm |
re: #217 TampaKnight
It was a safety mechanism put in place to aid people who were completely wiped out in the Depression- now, we can argue the merit of this government expansion under FDR…but that was the purpose.
It wasn’t meant to be a perpetual entitlement.
Okay then that’s a perfectly reasonable point of view.
As a 21 year old I don’t especially feel the need for social security.
But then I suppose because I’m reasonably healthy (for a guy whose diet consist of 1/3 to 1/2 pizza) I don’t feel a burning need for a public option.
I guess that’s sort of the difference between democrats and Republicans.
The Democrat Says “I don’t need this right now but I might later on so lets hang onto it…”
And the Republican says “I don’t need this now so lets get rid of it”
Neither point of view is a perfect course for government, since the former can lead to us picking up one government program after another like packrats, while the later can lead to stuff like White Christians who tend not to see the need for hate crime laws….
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:07:22pm |
re: #202 acwgusa
I don’t need to imagine. I was a frontline worker in California’s joke of a welfare system.
But…but…I thought I was paying all these taxes for ‘unnecessary entitlement programs’. Doesn’t everyone on welfare get at least a free Mercedes and paid vacations?
///
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:08:11pm |
re: #221 The Shadow Do
New Orlean Saints. The best team in football. This will take some getting used to.
Seems like just yesterday the fans called them The Aints and put paper bags on their heads.
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Racer X Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:09:25pm |
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freetoken Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:09:57pm |
re: #223 TampaKnight
Why our government feels that 40 years of saving is not enough time for it’s citizens to provide for their own retirement is beyond me.
Read about America in the 1930’s… perhaps then it will become a little clearer why SS was created.
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:09:59pm |
re: #225 jamesfirecat
Okay then that’s a perfectly reasonable point of view.
As a 21 year old I don’t especially feel the need for social security.
But then I suppose because I’m reasonably healthy (for a guy whose diet consist of 1/3 to 1/2 pizza) I don’t feel a burning need for a public option.
I guess that’s sort of the difference between democrats and Republicans.
The Democrat Says “I don’t need this right now but I might later on so lets hang onto it…”
And the Republican says “I don’t need this now so lets get rid of it”
Neither point of view is a perfect course for government, since the former can lead to us picking up one government program after another like packrats, while the later can lead to stuff like White Christians who tend not to see the need for hate crime laws…
Pointing out the flaws of social security has nothing to do with hate crimes.
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:10:02pm |
re: #217 TampaKnight
It was a safety mechanism put in place to aid people who were completely wiped out in the Depression- now, we can argue the merit of this government expansion under FDR…but that was the purpose.
It wasn’t meant to be a perpetual entitlement.
If one were to remove welfare it would have to be replaced with another means of revenue generation for said citizens. Welfare benefits are at best minimal and come with a great deal of constraints and requirements for the recipients.
If it were to be eliminated completely with no alternative we as a society would have far worse problems then with the present budget requirements for these entitlements. In the current economic climate it is completely unfeasible or unthinkable. One would also have to completely reinvent the American economy where most of the jobs have been shipped overseas.
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:10:35pm |
re: #223 TampaKnight
People know from the minute they start working at age 15, 18, or 20 that someday that will indeed want to retire, and to do so will require money.
Why our government feels that 40 years of saving is not enough time for it’s citizens to provide for their own retirement is beyond me.
The real answer to why it exists today is that people would rather have others provide for what they are unwilling to provide for themselves.
You know nothing about welfare reform. That would be the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act signed by Clinton and enacted by a Republican Congress.
Benefits (i.e. food stamps) are limited to able-bodied working adults. Some are required to learn a trade while they are collecting and their benefits are limited to 2 years while they do so. Companies who hire such workers are given tax breaks as an incentive. Average time on welfare except for the work program is approximately 6 months. The majority of the population on welfare are white, single woman with 1 or 2 children.
You lose, but thanks for playing.
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:12:02pm |
re: #231 Gus 802
If one were to remove welfare it would have to be replaced with another means of revenue generation for said citizens. Welfare benefits are at best minimal and come with a great deal of constraints and requirements for the recipients.
If it were to be eliminated completely with no alternative we as a society would have far worse problems then with the present budget requirements for these entitlements. In the current economic climate it is completely unfeasible or unthinkable. One would also have to completely reinvent the American economy where most of the jobs have been shipped overseas.
I never said cut them off right now. We need to find BIG cuts elsewhere to pay off the people who we’ve grown dere: #232 marjoriemoon
You know nothing about welfare reform. That would be the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act signed by Clinton and enacted by a Republican Congress.
Benefits (i.e. food stamps) are limited to able-bodied working adults. Some are required to learn a trade while they are collecting and their benefits are limited to 2 years while they do so. Companies who hire such workers are given tax breaks as an incentive. Average time on welfare except for the work program is approximately 6 months. The majority of the population on welfare are white, single woman with 1 or 2 children.
You lose, but thanks for playing.
And that has WHAT to do with the elderly who are dependent on social security?
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:12:44pm |
re: #221 The Shadow Do
New Orlean Saints. The best team in football. This will take some getting used to.
Years ago, we got used to the best golfer being black, and the best rapper being white, so…
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Racer X Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:12:44pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:13:02pm |
re: #233 TampaKnight
And that has WHAT to do with the elderly who are dependent on social security?
Nothing. Boy, old people sure are a bunch of leeches, aren’t they? Jeez. I mean, they knew they were going to retire. What did they do, spend all the money they made on food and shelter or something.
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:13:47pm |
re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist
Nothing. Boy, old people sure are a bunch of leeches, aren’t they? Jeez. I mean, they knew they were going to retire. What did they do, spend all the money they made on food and shelter or something.
That’s a sad straw man argument.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:14:40pm |
re: #230 TampaKnight
Pointing out the flaws of social security has nothing to do with hate crimes.
I wasn’t trying to say it did.
I’m saying that one can make a reasonable argument for how people who are less likely to have hate crimes committed them is an example of the offshoot of the Republican stance of “I don’t need this so lets get rid of it”
Likewise while one can make a reasonable argument for how Social Security is an example of the democratic stance of “I don’t need this, but I might so lets keep it!” going awry as well.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:14:57pm |
re: #221 The Shadow Do
New Orlean Saints. The best team in football. This will take some getting used to.
The Cowboys handed the Saints their first loss of the season 14 games in. The Saints won the superbowl. therefore, the Cowboys are the best team in football.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:15:35pm |
re: #239 cliffster
The Cowboys handed the Saints their first loss of the season 14 games in. The Saints won the superbowl. therefore, the Cowboys are the best team in football.
Oh, uh-uh!
Can’t believe you’re even gonna try to go there …
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:15:54pm |
re: #237 TampaKnight
That’s a sad straw man argument.
Actually, it’s precisely the one you’re making.
Why our government feels that 40 years of saving is not enough time for it’s citizens to provide for their own retirement is beyond me.
The real answer to why it exists today is that people would rather have others provide for what they are unwilling to provide for themselves.
Yeah. Straw man.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:16:10pm |
FDR signs Social Security bill
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:16:14pm |
re: #234 The Sanity Inspector
Years ago, we got used to the best golfer being black, and the best rapper being white, so…
Wait who is the best rapper who is white?
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:16:26pm |
re: #238 jamesfirecat
I wasn’t trying to say it did.
I’m saying that one can make a reasonable argument for how people who are less likely to have hate crimes committed them is an example of the offshoot of the Republican stance of “I don’t need this so lets get rid of it”
Likewise while one can make a reasonable argument for how Social Security is an example of the democratic stance of “I don’t need this, but I might so lets keep it!” going awry as well.
The Grasshopper and the Ants is a good story. You should read it when you get a chance.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:16:57pm |
re: #240 reine.de.tout
Oh, uh-uh!
Can’t believe you’re even gonna try to go there …
Next year, next year!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:17:25pm |
re: #243 jamesfirecat
Wait who is the best rapper who is white?
I think when the line was first used, they were talking about Eminem.
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wee fury Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:17:30pm |
re: #221 The Shadow Do
New Orlean Saints. The best team in football. This will take some getting used to.
Hooray!
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:17:30pm |
re: #233 TampaKnight
I never said cut them off right now. We need to find BIG cuts elsewhere to pay off the people who we’ve grown de…
Even if you cut them off when the economy was in good shape would lead to and even larger indigent population — by the millions. In the end that would cause even greater problems with a number of agencies including social agencies, law enforcement, etc. In the long run it would be cheaper to maintain the entitlement system.
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:17:38pm |
re: #241 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. Straw man.
What exactly is not factual in my post? Do people in fact not realize that they may one day wish to retire, and this will take money saved to do so?
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:18:30pm |
re: #248 Gus 802
Even if you cut them off when the economy was in good shape would lead to and even larger indigent population — by the millions. In the end that would cause even greater problems with a number of agencies including social agencies, law enforcement, etc. In the long run it would be cheaper to maintain the entitlement system.
Can you point me to a study that shows this difference in cost?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:18:58pm |
re: #249 TampaKnight
What exactly is not factual in my post? Do people in fact not realize that they may one day wish to retire, and this will take money saved to do so?
Not everyone can do that, or can do that to the extent needed. If you want to debate that, you’ve lived a blessed life.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:19:16pm |
re: #243 jamesfirecat
Wait who is the best rapper who is white?
Was. Tiger Woods and Eminem hit the top at about the same time.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:19:24pm |
re: #244 cliffster
The Grasshopper and the Ants is a good story. You should read it when you get a chance.
I know the story, and I agree.
But the question is, is it okay to allow the government to force us to be ants….
Because that’s what the social security is, or at least what it is suppose to be.
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:19:41pm |
re: #251 TampaKnight
Can you point me to a study that shows this difference in cost?
Not at this time. However, I can ask you for a study showing me that it would be cost effective in the long run.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:20:16pm |
re: #223 TampaKnight
People know from the minute they start working at age 15, 18, or 20 that someday that will indeed want to retire, and to do so will require money.
Why our government feels that 40 years of saving is not enough time for it’s citizens to provide for their own retirement is beyond me.
The real answer to why it exists today is that people would rather have others provide for what they are unwilling to provide for themselves.
If the average person paying into social security invested or saved the same amount over the same period, they would have at most 2 months worth of retirement paid for. Most people just don’t make enough to pay in enough to retire on. It’s damn near impossible to save money while working at just above minimum wage. The idea is supposed to be that more people pay in than get paid and that the people getting the payout will not live long beyond the retirement age. And at one time, that was true. But those darned old timers are living longer and longer. So, it doesn’t work as predicted. Still, its better than directly supporting those old folks right now at street value. Here’s hoping some smart person figures out a better way before we are old enough to collect…some of us ar getting close! But I aint holding my breath.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:20:36pm |
re: #240 reine.de.tout
Oh, uh-uh!
Can’t believe you’re even gonna try to go there …
Great game. Couldn’t believe it. Still can’t believe it. Saints won it though, no questionable calls, no drama, just won it. Nice work.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:20:37pm |
The Ants and the Grasshopper
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:21:03pm |
re: #252 SanFranciscoZionist
Not everyone can do that, or can do that to the extent needed. If you want to debate that, you’ve lived a blessed life.
I don’t make a lot of money. I’ve simply made decisions that have put me in a place that I can contribute small amounts of money each month to accounts that will one day allow me to retire.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:21:25pm |
re: #254 jamesfirecat
I know the story, and I agree.
But the question is, is it okay to allow the government to force us to be ants…
Because that’s what the social security is, or at least what it is suppose to be.
No.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:21:55pm |
re: #257 Escaped Hillbilly
If the average person paying into social security invested or saved the same amount over the same period, they would have at most 2 months worth of retirement paid for. Most people just don’t make enough to pay in enough to retire on. It’s damn near impossible to save money while working at just above minimum wage. The idea is supposed to be that more people pay in than get paid and that the people getting the payout will not live long beyond the retirement age. And at one time, that was true. But those darned old timers are living longer and longer. So, it doesn’t work as predicted. Still, its better than directly supporting those old folks right now at street value. Here’s hoping some smart person figures out a better way before we are old enough to collect…some of us ar getting close! But I aint holding my breath.
I’ve said it before: We’re only one pandemic away from saving Social Security.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:22:33pm |
re: #261 TampaKnight
I don’t make a lot of money. I’ve simply made decisions that have put me in a place that I can contribute small amounts of money each month to accounts that will one day allow me to retire.
Another good book, besides The Grasshopper and the Ants, is “The Wealthy Barber”. Everyone should read it. Everyone.
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:23:09pm |
Ok, to the pro-SS people: currently the complaint is that most elderly people don’t receive enough to even live on.
The mass Baby Boomer generation is quickly approaching full scale retirement.
What is the solution? Do we tax everyone else more? How do we ensure that those who are being taxed now receive money when they’re retiring? How do we ensure that it isn’t so insignificant that we’re facing a great problem than what we are now?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:23:21pm |
re: #261 TampaKnight
I don’t make a lot of money. I’ve simply made decisions that have put me in a place that I can contribute small amounts of money each month to accounts that will one day allow me to retire.
And it’s just that easy…
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:24:00pm |
re: #261 TampaKnight
I don’t make a lot of money. I’ve simply made decisions that have put me in a place that I can contribute small amounts of money each month to accounts that will one day allow me to retire.
What if you lose your job? You start your own business and don’t make it? Your spouse/child/parent has health issues and you have to contribute? Or a myriad of other things that can drain your bank account before you retire.
You should like a young person who has yet to experience all the monetary excitement of life.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:24:12pm |
re: #263 Decatur Deb
funny ;-) Would be funnier if not so serious, but funny.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:24:22pm |
re: #261 TampaKnight
I don’t make a lot of money. I’ve simply made decisions that have put me in a place that I can contribute small amounts of money each month to accounts that will one day allow me to retire.
As long as you don’t invest it in AIG.
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:25:02pm |
re: #266 SanFranciscoZionist
And it’s just that easy…
No, it’s not. I drove a piece of shit car while my friends financed brand new ones like idiots. I hardly went out while my friends lived it up. I lived with asshole roomates just to save money in rent instead of living alone. I worked multiple jobs to pay for college instead of taking out massive loans.
It’s not easy, but God forbid if people have to make the hard decisions in life that look past today, tomorrow, or next week.
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:25:40pm |
re: #266 SanFranciscoZionist
And it’s just that easy…
I think some ideas that have been put forth are good ones…automatic opt in to 401k at 5% is a good one…although I’d be inclined to make it mandatory for a certain period of time.
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:25:45pm |
re: #257 Escaped Hillbilly
If the average person paying into social security invested or saved the same amount over the same period, they would have at most 2 months worth of retirement paid for. Most people just don’t make enough to pay in enough to retire on. It’s damn near impossible to save money while working at just above minimum wage. The idea is supposed to be that more people pay in than get paid and that the people getting the payout will not live long beyond the retirement age. And at one time, that was true. But those darned old timers are living longer and longer. So, it doesn’t work as predicted. Still, its better than directly supporting those old folks right now at street value. Here’s hoping some smart person figures out a better way before we are old enough to collect…some of us ar getting close! But I aint holding my breath.
Good points. Especially about living on minimum wage. Anything like this would effectively require a “public option” to the replacement of Social Security.
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Racer X Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:27:13pm |
You’re not going to believe this story. I was sitting in a bar the other night when this hot babe walked up and sat down next to me.
*Star Wars Geek Alert
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:27:16pm |
re: #270 TampaKnight
No, it’s not. I drove a piece of shit car while my friends financed brand new ones like idiots. I hardly went out while my friends lived it up. I lived with asshole roomates just to save money in rent instead of living alone. I worked multiple jobs to pay for college instead of taking out massive loans.
It’s not easy, but God forbid if people have to make the hard decisions in life that look past today, tomorrow, or next week.
I’m getting angry, so I’ll stop here. I agree with Marjorie. You sound like you’re too young to know all the shit that happens in the course of a well-planned life.
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Jadespring Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:27:25pm |
re: #267 marjoriemoon
What if you lose your job? You start your own business and don’t make it? Your spouse/child/parent has health issues and you have to contribute? Or a myriad of other things that can drain your bank account before you retire.
You should like a young person who has yet to experience all the monetary excitement of life.
Don’t forget if something happens to the market and your investments hit the crapper. Not so bad if you have time to wait to recover but if it’s within that age window…
Not that this ever really happen though….
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:27:39pm |
re: #272 Gus 802
Good points. Especially about living on minimum wage. Anything like this would effectively require a “public option” to the replacement of Social Security.
Isn’t part of the problem the near death of the extended family? At one time, the kids would take care of Mom and Dad, with everyone living nearby or in the same house hold..not true any more.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:27:49pm |
re: #269 Decatur Deb
As long as you don’t invest it in AIG.
Which was, for over 40 years, considered a “widows & orphans stock”.
Went from (IIRC) a high of 92 to 0.05 in a couple of months.
My elders owned boatloads of it, inherited from my Gran.
I’m very grateful to have been allowed & able to have “balanced” their portfolios before it hit 0.05.
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:28:02pm |
re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist
I’m getting angry, so I’ll stop here. I agree with Marjorie. You sound like you’re too young to know all the shit that happens in the course of a well-planned life.
I’m sorry you can’t debate without anger and insult.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:28:09pm |
re: #270 TampaKnight
Oh for God’s sake grow up. Lucky you. I made all those same decisions. And I ended up bankrupt (for a while). Ever had an arsonist burn down your house? A drunk run over your kid? A family member get cancer? A crook steal your savings? So what if none of that happened and you just never could quite make a go of it? Starve? Someone has to take care of the elderly. Its cheaper to do it through this boondoggle. If you have a better solution, say so. Just saving is not gonna cut it.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:28:12pm |
re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist
I’m getting angry, so I’ll stop here. I agree with Marjorie. You sound like you’re too young to know all the shit that happens in the course of a well-planned life.
But think of the fun he will have learning.
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darthstar Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:28:41pm |
Missed Teabag’s advertisement, but enjoyed the game all the same. Was the ad worth the hype?
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:28:44pm |
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:29:14pm |
re: #279 Escaped Hillbilly
Oh for God’s sake grow up. Lucky you. I made all those same decisions. And I ended up bankrupt (for a while). Ever had an arsonist burn down your house? A drunk run over your kid? A family member get cancer? A crook steal your savings? So what if none of that happened and you just never could quite make a go of it? Starve? Someone has to take care of the elderly. Its cheaper to do it through this boondoggle. If you have a better solution, say so. Just saving is not gonna cut it.
So how is Social Security in it’s present form helping those problems?
And I’ve already pointed out that most elderly complain that the payments are TOO LOW right now.
What is your solution?
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:29:20pm |
re: #276 PT Barnum
Isn’t part of the problem the near death of the extended family? At one time, the kids would take care of Mom and Dad, with everyone living nearby or in the same house hold..not true any more.
Yes. There are so many systemic problems we faces today. One is the loss of the extended family as you mention. The loss of industry, jobs, and cheap housing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:29:45pm |
re: #275 Jadespring
Don’t forget if something happens to the market and your investments hit the crapper. Not so bad if you have time to wait to recover but if it’s within that age window…
Not that this ever really happen though…
One of my friends’ mothers lost half her retirement money in the course of a couple of week two years ago, when the Big Troubles hit. She’s sixtyish. That’s a hell of a lot of retirement to build back up.
Fucking grasshopper that she is, an RN who raised three kids on her own after her husband killed himself.
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:30:11pm |
My mother worked for a ombudsman when she was 70-74. It wasn’t her choice to work, but she had no choice. The ombudsman/philanthropist sponsored grant money (I think that’s how to say it…) for seniors who had some issues they couldn’t cover, like patching a roof, fixing the plumbing or the electricity in their homes. Usually $1000s they didn’t have from couples who are living on as little as $500 a month. If they didn’t have the $500, they’d literally be on the street.
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:30:59pm |
re: #281 darthstar
Missed Teabag’s advertisement, but enjoyed the game all the same. Was the ad worth the hype?
Completely tame. Basically, go to FOF for the full story. Either the press got a bogus tip or they changed the ad.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:31:26pm |
re: #262 cliffster
No.
The problem is that given that America is a nation that thinks “pancake and sausage on a stick” is a good idea for a food.
So yeah in theory the way we eat should make social security not a problem, but then our doctors had to get so dam good at heart surgery!
(I say this half jokingly but the point is that clearly not all Americans are capable of making good decisions about their future so its an issue of how much do we pick up their slack/how much do we let them reap what they sow?)
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:31:30pm |
re: #287 Stanley Sea
Completely tame. Basically, go to FOF for the full story. Either the press got a bogus tip or they changed the ad.
Or FOF got exactly what they were looking for- publicity.
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:31:39pm |
re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist
One of my friends’ mothers lost half her retirement money in the course of a couple of week two years ago, when the Big Troubles hit. She’s sixtyish. That’s a hell of a lot of retirement to build back up.
Fucking grasshopper that she is, an RN who raised three kids on her own after her husband killed himself.
One of my mother’s friends was an investor with Madoff. Not only is she penniless (a once wealthy woman), but she’s being sued by the investors. She’s going to have to move in with her daughter.
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:31:42pm |
re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist
I’m getting angry, so I’ll stop here. I agree with Marjorie. You sound like you’re too young to know all the shit that happens in the course of a well-planned life.
401Ks down the toilet in the stock market crashes. I say crashes because it’s a boom and bust cycle. Many people have lost their private retirement funds (some by 50% or more) and ended up have to sell everything they’ve amassed over the years.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:32:32pm |
re: #283 TampaKnight
May I suggest some reading?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
From Wikipedia
“Social security is primarily a social insurance program providing social protection, or protection against socially recognized conditions, including poverty, old age, disability, unemployment and others. “
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:32:53pm |
re: #278 TampaKnight
I’m sorry you can’t debate without anger and insult.
I’m trying to avoid anger and insult.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:32:55pm |
re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist
One of my friends’ mothers lost half her retirement money in the course of a couple of week two years ago, when the Big Troubles hit. She’s sixtyish. That’s a hell of a lot of retirement to build back up.
Fucking grasshopper that she is, an RN who raised three kids on her own after her husband killed himself.
That is an unfortunate story, and I know plenty of people like that too. I have to wonder, though - why does someone that close to retirement have so much of their retirement invested in something that could lose that much value that fast?
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:33:04pm |
re: #289 TampaKnight
Or FOF got exactly what they were looking for- publicity.
Yeah, on the liberal blogs. Not effective.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:33:26pm |
re: #280 Decatur Deb
But think of the fun he will have learning.
To quote my mother, “Another GDF learning experience!”
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:33:34pm |
If someone has lost everything in the market, has is a small SS check going to helpre: #294 cliffster
That is an unfortunate story, and I know plenty of people like that too. I have to wonder, though - why does someone that close to retirement have so much of their retirement invested in something that could lose that much value that fast?
I respectfully wondered that as well.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:34:37pm |
re: #283 TampaKnight
I have already said it isn’t great. But it helps some. I also already said I am waiting for someone to come up with a solution. You are the one complaining so you should be the one making the recommendations. My mother was widowed a few years ago. My dad had been retired from the Army for a while and had crap insurance. While she was waiting for his VA widow’s benefits to kick in, she collected social security. It was almost nothing, but it paid her rent. She got food stamps for food and energy credits for her gas. My siblings and I kicked in to help with her electric etc. No, it isn’t enough. But the alternative is frightening. My dad thought he had taken care of her. There are a lot of folks in that position.
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:34:44pm |
re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist
To quote my mother, “Another GDF learning experience!”
I’m gonna have to remember that…
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:34:48pm |
So, if someone has lost everything in the market and is 65, how is a small SS check going to help? Isn’t that the main problem right now?
Instead of calling me an asshole for disliking the program, how about offer solutions to what is a big problem for those who are down on their luck and eligible for a program that doesn’t provide nearly enough for what they need.
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:35:38pm |
When I get angry, I don’t type well… my apologies for past and future typos :p
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Jadespring Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:35:41pm |
re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist
One of my friends’ mothers lost half her retirement money in the course of a couple of week two years ago, when the Big Troubles hit. She’s sixtyish. That’s a hell of a lot of retirement to build back up.
Fucking grasshopper that she is, an RN who raised three kids on her own after her husband killed himself.
Sounds similar to my Aunt. She’s sixtyish too. Saved for retirement because she didn’t have jobs that gave pensions. Was sitting pretty good until the troubles. Her investments would cover her daily expenses just fine. Not luxarious but good enough. Now half of it’s gone. Thankfully she will qualify for old age pension so between the two she hopes to be okay, but she has had to put off retiring for a few more years.
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webevintage Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:35:53pm |
re: #176 Jimmah
What do cats and violins have in common? Stephen Fry with the answers…
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Stephen Fry is brilliant, I love that show…just a hoot.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:35:56pm |
re: #288 jamesfirecat
The problem is that given that America is a nation that thinks “pancake and sausage on a stick” is a good idea for a food.
So yeah in theory the way we eat should make social security not a problem, but then our doctors had to get so dam good at heart surgery!
(I say this half jokingly but the point is that clearly not all Americans are capable of making good decisions about their future so its an issue of how much do we pick up their slack/how much do we let them reap what they sow?)
Is there some reason you think we should repeal, “as you sow, so shall you reap”?
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:37:54pm |
re: #300 TampaKnight
So, if someone has lost everything in the market and is 65, how is a small SS check going to help? Isn’t that the main problem right now?
Instead of calling me an asshole for disliking the program, how about offer solutions to what is a big problem for those who are down on their luck and eligible for a program that doesn’t provide nearly enough for what they need.
Okay then here’s a solution, let’s cut of social security benefits for rich old people (Jon and Cindy McCain don’t need social security checks but they’ll get them anyway) who don’t need it that should help increase the benefits for those who need it some.
Next and tax those who make more than a million dollars an additional 5% on the money they make over a million dollars.
Tax the rich more, and use that to increase social security till its enough to live on!
You may now tear this solution I’ve presented apart.
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:38:04pm |
re: #304 cliffster
Is there some reason you think we should repeal, “as you sow, so shall you reap”?
How about we make sure that everyone actually reaps what they sow? That’s the problem, as I see it. There are some that are vicious dishonest pricks who never see any kind of accounting, while there are others who suffer through no fault of their own. How do we balance that out? Should we?
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:38:46pm |
re: #304 cliffster
Is there some reason you think we should repeal, “as you sow, so shall you reap”?
Yes, because we’re not a nation of Objectivists who don’t care about the suffering of our fellow man.
At least I hope we aren’t….
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:38:55pm |
re: #297 TampaKnight
If someone has lost everything in the market, has is a small SS check going to help.
The short answer is $500 a month, which I believe is the minimum monthly payment is better than $0 a month.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:39:12pm |
re: #306 PT Barnum
How about we make sure that everyone actually reaps what they sow? That’s the problem, as I see it. There are some that are vicious dishonest pricks who never see any kind of accounting, while there are others who suffer through no fault of their own. How do we balance that out? Should we?
Aren’t you the one who thought it was funny to make jokes about burning people at the stake?
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:39:15pm |
re: #294 cliffster
That is an unfortunate story, and I know plenty of people like that too. I have to wonder, though - why does someone that close to retirement have so much of their retirement invested in something that could lose that much value that fast?
Someone here has a better answer than I, but you have got to be kidding? The whole market fell, anything you had invested cratered. Only the mattress folks got away unscathed.
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:39:26pm |
re: #305 jamesfirecat
Okay then here’s a solution, let’s cut of social security benefits for rich old people (Jon and Cindy McCain don’t need social security checks but they’ll get them anyway) who don’t need it that should help increase the benefits for those who need it some.
Next and tax those who make more than a million dollars an additional 5% on the money they make over a million dollars.
Tax the rich more, and use that to increase social security till its enough to live on!
You may now tear this solution I’ve presented apart.
I’m fine with the “let rich opt out part” but dislike the idea to tax the rich more. Not a terrible attempt though.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:39:51pm |
It’s late in CST, and I’m sure we will have another shot at Social Sec.
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:40:14pm |
re: #310 cliffster
Aren’t you the one who thought it was funny to make jokes about burning people at the stake?
Out of line dude…I’ve already apologized…
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:40:19pm |
re: #312 TampaKnight
I’m fine with the “let rich opt out part” but dislike the idea to tax the rich more. Not a terrible attempt though.
Glad we could find something we agree on.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:41:18pm |
re: #308 marjoriemoon
The short answer is $500 a month, which I believe is the minimum monthly payment is better than $0 a month.
Probably not fully accurate, MM. My wife and I get less, but we were mostly in another progam.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:41:51pm |
re: #311 Stanley Sea
Someone here has a better answer than I, but you have got to be kidding? The whole market fell, anything you had invested cratered. Only the mattress folks got away unscathed.
I got away unscathed…because I had nothing in savings, still don’t in fact. Its hard to go down from the bottom, but I’m digging as fast as I can.:-O
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:42:51pm |
re: #317 Escaped Hillbilly
I got away unscathed…because I had nothing in savings, still don’t in fact. Its hard to go down from the bottom, but I’m digging as fast as I can.:-O
My only plan for retirement right now is to pay off all of my debts so I can live on as little as possible.
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webevintage Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:42:53pm |
re: #300 TampaKnight
So, if someone has lost everything in the market and is 65, how is a small SS check going to help? Isn’t that the main problem right now?
It will keep them from starving.
Maybe allow them a place to live.
I’m not sure what the alternative is…old folks living on the street and begging for food when life and fate deals them a bad set of cards?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:42:56pm |
re: #302 Jadespring
Sounds similar to my Aunt. She’s sixtyish too. Saved for retirement because she didn’t have jobs that gave pensions. Was sitting pretty good until the troubles. Her investments would cover her daily expenses just fine. Not luxarious but good enough. Now half of it’s gone. Thankfully she will qualify for old age pension so between the two she hopes to be okay, but she has had to put off retiring for a few more years.
Pensions!
LOL!
I don’t know of any job today, that pays out a pension, unless it’s a “public sector” or union job.
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Jadespring Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:43:39pm |
re: #304 cliffster
Is there some reason you think we should repeal, “as you sow, so shall you reap”?
Repeal entirely no but realize that you can do the best job at sowing and do everything like your supposed to but when bad weather hits, or your field gets consumed by locusts, or blight hits your crops being a kick ass sower doesn’t matter so much.
Anyone who farms or grows anything knows that this little proverb is quite simplistic.
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:43:46pm |
re: #316 Decatur Deb
Probably not fully accurate, MM. My wife and I get less, but we were mostly in another progam.
I stand corrected.
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:44:17pm |
re: #307 jamesfirecat
Yes, because we’re not a nation of Objectivists who don’t care about the suffering of our fellow man.
At least I hope we aren’t…
Sometimes the best of intentions ends up in the worst of cases. Yes, bad things happen to good people all of the time. Reaping what we sow applies to our own personal farming habits from days long gone. Now, what we “sow” is attached to a multi-layered financial and social system beyond the simple control of individuals.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:44:26pm |
re: #311 Stanley Sea
Someone here has a better answer than I, but you have got to be kidding? The whole market fell, anything you had invested cratered. Only the mattress folks got away unscathed.
That’s not true. If you were investing smart for someone who was close to retirement, you were annoyed, but not devastated. Why do you say otherwise?
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:44:29pm |
I’m just having a hard time wrapping my brain around the logic of “they get so little, let’s just give them (us) nothing.”
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:44:29pm |
re: #312 TampaKnight
I’m fine with the “let rich opt out part” but dislike the idea to tax the rich more. Not a terrible attempt though.
By the way I just had an interesting idea.
A while back I got rightfully accused of being pretty loose with rich people’s money.
However it would seem to me that for anyone under the age of 65 to argue to repeal social security would be feeling pretty loose with old people’s money.
They paid into SS growing up, don’t they deserve to get something out of it?
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webevintage Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:45:03pm |
re: #306 PT Barnum
How about we make sure that everyone actually reaps what they sow? That’s the problem, as I see it. There are some that are vicious dishonest pricks who never see any kind of accounting, while there are others who suffer through no fault of their own. How do we balance that out? Should we?
Well only the poor ones are supposed to reap what they sow, not the sons of a bitches who ended up with money.
Doncha’ know…
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:45:20pm |
re: #317 Escaped Hillbilly
I got away unscathed…because I had nothing in savings, still don’t in fact. Its hard to go down from the bottom, but I’m digging as fast as I can.:-O
Yeah. I’ve actually been sort of cheerful about that, because I’d been beating myself up for not having made more progress financially, and then all of my friends are calling me up, screaming about what they’ve lost, and, HEY, I’ve still got that same three hundred bucks in my checking account.
So, you know, I could have actually had some money and lost it, and been right where I am now, right?
You have to look on the bright side of giant recessions.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:45:33pm |
re: #323 marjoriemoon
I stand corrected.
You might be right for most cases. In my era Army employees were not in SS. My payments are based on my jobs as a student.
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:46:17pm |
re: #327 jamesfirecat
By the way I just had an interesting idea.
A while back I got rightfully accused of being pretty loose with rich people’s money.
However it would seem to me that for anyone under the age of 65 to argue to repeal social security would be feeling pretty loose with old people’s money.
They paid into SS growing up, don’t they deserve to get something out of it?
Hence why I suggested finding cuts elsewhere to fully fund their obligated money and move towards letting the people paying in now to opt out.
Nowhere in this discussion have I suggested pulling the plug ASAP on people eligible now.
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Skeetghazi Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:46:25pm |
re: #325 cliffster
That’s not true. If you were investing smart for someone who was close to retirement, you were annoyed, but not devastated. Why do you say otherwise?
Well I prefaced my answer. The folks I know who are lucky enough to have investments were way more than “annoyed”.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:46:42pm |
re: #321 Floral Giraffe
Pensions!
LOL!
I don’t know of any job today, that pays out a pension, unless it’s a “public sector” or union job.
My mom is neither, but she may have a small pension coming to her. She has already announced plans to use it to take her grandchildren out for ice cream on the first Sunday of every month.
(We say ‘may’, because, well, it’s not clear exactly what’s happening there. Long story.)
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Racer X Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:47:02pm |
re: #311 Stanley Sea
Someone here has a better answer than I, but you have got to be kidding? The whole market fell, anything you had invested cratered. Only the mattress folks got away unscathed.
I left most of my money where it was. 3 weeks ago it was above where it was a year ago. Those who took their money out a year ago made a huge mistake.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:48:08pm |
re: #322 Jadespring
Repeal entirely no but realize that you can do the best job at sowing and do everything like your supposed to but when bad weather hits, or your field gets consumed by locusts, or blight hits your crops being a kick ass sower doesn’t matter so much.
Anyone who farms or grows anything knows that this little proverb is quite simplistic.
And as a society, we’ve made sowing that much harder. Used to be, for a while, you could get out of high school and get a factory job that would allow you to buy a house, a car, raise your kids, and pay a pension.
If there’s one of those out there anywhere these days…well, my husband wants it.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:48:52pm |
re: #333 SanFranciscoZionist
I hope she has enough to live on, AND take her grandkids out for ice cream! My elders all had pensions, they worked in similar jobs to mine. But, “those were the days my friends” and pensions are just a thing of the past now.
Kind of like “health insurance for life” when you retire!
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:49:34pm |
re: #314 PT Barnum
Out of line dude…I’ve already apologized…
And watch people downding my comment in your defense. Because we hate Sarah Palin. Which I don’t argue with. But, I have an idea - make a joke about burning Obama at the stake. Watch the holy hell come down on you then.
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:50:04pm |
re: #334 Racer X
I left most of my money where it was. 3 weeks ago it was above where it was a year ago. Those who took their money out a year ago made a huge mistake.
buy and hold is always a sounder strategy than trying to time the market…Works for Warren Buffet…
As soon as my child support obligation ends in 4 months, I plan to take the amount that was going into that and start paying down debt as fast as I possibly can…then I’ll start buying into some index funds and maybe some bond funds…going to just keep putting in every month and hope I can make up for some lost time, since I’ve got less than 20 years before I can collect SS. I won’t ever quit working, but I’d like to be in a position to do things I like that don’t necessarily pay big bucks at some point.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:50:21pm |
re: #331 TampaKnight
Recently the age at which one can collect, and the age at which one is “fully eligible” have been adjusted upward. These are the kinds of adjustments we can expect in coming years, more people being told they are ineligible or are eligible for only reduced payments or have to wait longer etc.
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:51:02pm |
re: #337 cliffster
And watch people downding my comment in your defense. Because we hate Sarah Palin. Which I don’t argue with. But, I have an idea - make a joke about burning Obama at the stake. Watch the holy hell come down on you then.
I’m not going to dignify that with anything more than another downding for sheer asshattedness..
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austin_blue Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:51:08pm |
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:51:15pm |
re: #324 Gus 802
Sometimes the best of intentions ends up in the worst of cases. Yes, bad things happen to good people all of the time. Reaping what we sow applies to our own personal farming habits from days long gone. Now, what we “sow” is attached to a multi-layered financial and social system beyond the simple control of individuals.
I often think that the kneejerk opposition some have to various social programs, and the continual emphasis on points like “well they should have known better” (i.e., somehow anticipated and averted some disasters, or made different lifestyle choices) is like warding off the evil eye.
Whole lot of folks are deeply invested (heh) in the notion that nothing terrible could ever happen to them, or would ever happen to them.
Most of us know that unforeseen disasters can happen all the time to the best people who lived a good life.
But some refuse to recognise the random element of luck that attaches either to good fortune or bad in human existence, and want to believe that their own good luck isn’t luck at all, but Providence.
The flip side of that is needing to believe that when people have bad luck, it’s also somehow Providence— punishing them.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:51:43pm |
re: #335 SanFranciscoZionist
And as a society, we’ve made sowing that much harder. Used to be, for a while, you could get out of high school and get a factory job that would allow you to buy a house, a car, raise your kids, and pay a pension.
If there’s one of those out there anywhere these days…well, my husband wants it.
My son too.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:52:02pm |
re: #337 cliffster
And watch people downding my comment in your defense. Because we hate Sarah Palin. Which I don’t argue with. But, I have an idea - make a joke about burning Obama at the stake. Watch the holy hell come down on you then.
What are you trying to be or do here?
I can’t tell.
Please expand on your thoughts.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:52:40pm |
re: #307 jamesfirecat
Yes, because we’re not a nation of Objectivists who don’t care about the suffering of our fellow man.
At least I hope we aren’t…
“Paying your taxes” does not equate to “caring for your fellow man”. And, “raising taxes” doesn’t either, if you happen to be a politician.
Caring about your fellow man means giving of yourself.
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webevintage Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:53:34pm |
re: #342 iceweasel
I often think that the kneejerk opposition some have to various social programs, and the continual emphasis on points like “well they should have known better” (i.e., somehow anticipated and averted some disasters, or made different lifestyle choices) is like warding off the evil eye.
Whole lot of folks are deeply invested (heh) in the notion that nothing terrible could ever happen to them, or would ever happen to them.
Most of us know that unforeseen disasters can happen all the time to the best people who lived a good life.But some refuse to recognise the random element of luck that attaches either to good fortune or bad in human existence, and want to believe that their own good luck isn’t luck at all, but Providence.
The flip side of that is needing to believe that when people have bad luck, it’s also somehow Providence— punishing them.
Indeed.
In the end it is all about fate and luck.
I could upding you 1000 times for this.
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:53:42pm |
re: #347 cliffster
“Paying your taxes” does not equate to “caring for your fellow man”. And, “raising taxes” doesn’t either, if you happen to be a politician.
Caring about your fellow man means giving of yourself.
My family has suffered quite a bit that not a single tax dollar could fix.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:53:48pm |
re: #342 iceweasel
I often think that the kneejerk opposition some have to various social programs, and the continual emphasis on points like “well they should have known better” (i.e., somehow anticipated and averted some disasters, or made different lifestyle choices) is like warding off the evil eye.
Whole lot of folks are deeply invested (heh) in the notion that nothing terrible could ever happen to them, or would ever happen to them.
Most of us know that unforeseen disasters can happen all the time to the best people who lived a good life.But some refuse to recognise the random element of luck that attaches either to good fortune or bad in human existence, and want to believe that their own good luck isn’t luck at all, but Providence.
The flip side of that is needing to believe that when people have bad luck, it’s also somehow Providence— punishing them.
The old folks made a pact with the devil to free them from Herbert Hoover.
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:53:54pm |
re: #304 cliffster
Is there some reason you think we should repeal, “as you sow, so shall you reap”?
Yes. We’re not a theocracy.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:54:17pm |
re: #225 jamesfirecat
Okay then that’s a perfectly reasonable point of view.
As a 21 year old I don’t especially feel the need for social security.
It’s February. May I suggest that, before Christmas, you scrape together $10,000. Extra jobs, garage sale, hitting relatives up for money, whatever. Then put it in an S&P 500 stock index fund, and let it ride for 30 years. Assume an average return over that time of 10%, keeping your head during the highs and lows, and by the time you’re in your early 50s you’ll have a pot of about $170,000, not counting fees & taxes. And that’s just from the ten grand you sock away this year, not counting whatever other savings, investments, and pension you’ll rack up as your career goes along. Assuming we’re not all pulling rickshaws for the Chinese by that time, you won’t miss your Social Security if it’s gone by then. Just something to consider.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:54:32pm |
re: #337 cliffster
And watch people downding my comment in your defense. Because we hate Sarah Palin. Which I don’t argue with. But, I have an idea - make a joke about burning Obama at the stake. Watch the holy hell come down on you then.
Obama already has enough death threats piling up at his door. How many has Sarah Palin gotten recently?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:54:33pm |
re: #336 Floral Giraffe
I hope she has enough to live on, AND take her grandkids out for ice cream! My elders all had pensions, they worked in similar jobs to mine. But, “those were the days my friends” and pensions are just a thing of the past now.
Kind of like “health insurance for life” when you retire!
We’re working on it. Sigh.
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TampaKnight Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:54:57pm |
re: #342 iceweasel
I often think that the kneejerk opposition some have to various social programs, and the continual emphasis on points like “well they should have known better” (i.e., somehow anticipated and averted some disasters, or made different lifestyle choices) is like warding off the evil eye.
Whole lot of folks are deeply invested (heh) in the notion that nothing terrible could ever happen to them, or would ever happen to them.
Most of us know that unforeseen disasters can happen all the time to the best people who lived a good life.But some refuse to recognise the random element of luck that attaches either to good fortune or bad in human existence, and want to believe that their own good luck isn’t luck at all, but Providence.
The flip side of that is needing to believe that when people have bad luck, it’s also somehow Providence— punishing them.
On the flip side, I think proponents of social programs often discount the role, value, and importance of community help and reach out to others. I’ve seen first hand what community care and support can do, and it can’t be replicated by any social program from the government.
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avanti Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:55:11pm |
re: #334 Racer X
I left most of my money where it was. 3 weeks ago it was above where it was a year ago. Those who took their money out a year ago made a huge mistake.
My wife and me have not yet touched our IRA’s. I watched the value drop but now it’s only down about 20% and I suspect will recover fully before we use it. My ebay business has not been hurt at all. I sell for less, but buy cheaper, so it’s a wash.My SS cover the mortgage and the wife’s salary covers the rest. I’m just glad we both put money in a IRA for over 30 years when things were better.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:56:08pm |
re: #342 iceweasel
Yes, but “luck” is often the result of sheer hard work, studying and knowing WHERE TO BE, and when. It’s not something that falls out of the sky & hits you on the head, randomly. You KNEW which field to be in, on which night, because you studied the meteor showers patterns for years.
Or, something like that.
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Gus Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:57:45pm |
re: #342 iceweasel
I often think that the kneejerk opposition some have to various social programs, and the continual emphasis on points like “well they should have known better” (i.e., somehow anticipated and averted some disasters, or made different lifestyle choices) is like warding off the evil eye.
Whole lot of folks are deeply invested (heh) in the notion that nothing terrible could ever happen to them, or would ever happen to them.
Most of us know that unforeseen disasters can happen all the time to the best people who lived a good life.But some refuse to recognise the random element of luck that attaches either to good fortune or bad in human existence, and want to believe that their own good luck isn’t luck at all, but Providence.
The flip side of that is needing to believe that when people have bad luck, it’s also somehow Providence— punishing them.
Exactly. Especially regarding Providence. No, people don’t often reap what they sow. In essence that is like saying those that lost had done something wrong that caused their loss but that isn’t always the case. Random and outside events can affect any outcome. That includes pensions, retirement plans, Enron, the DOW, Bernie Madoff, etc. Even when people do the right thing they’re sometimes bitten in the hand by random events outside of their control. This doesn’t even include health issues.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:58:05pm |
re: #337 cliffster
Actually, people came down pretty hard on him earlier. (I wasn’t one of them.) But I believe their outrage is not due to politics. They didn’t like the suggestion. Period. Now he has apologized and it is being brought up again in an attempt to distract from his argument as if one over the top comment invalidates any future comment.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:58:43pm |
re: #352 The Sanity Inspector
It’s February. May I suggest that, before Christmas, you scrape together $10,000. Extra jobs, garage sale, hitting relatives up for money, whatever. Then put it in an S&P 500 stock index fund, and let it ride for 30 years. Assume an average return over that time of 10%, keeping your head during the highs and lows, and by the time you’re in your early 50s you’ll have a pot of about $170,000, not counting fees & taxes. And that’s just from the ten grand you sock away this year, not counting whatever other savings, investments, and pension you’ll rack up as your career goes along. Assuming we’re not all pulling rickshaws for the Chinese by that time, you won’t miss your Social Security if it’s gone by then. Just something to consider.
I think I already have about 8,00 in my savings account which at the moment also doubles as my checking acount, I’ll talk with my parents about that kind of thing since it does sound like it could be a good idea.
The one thing I am proud of is that I took a “hard” major of computer science.
I don’t know what I’d do if I had something wishy washy like English, or Journalisim, besides move to Alaska and run for governor of course. ZING!
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 8:59:15pm |
re: #357 Floral Giraffe
Yes, but “luck” is often the result of sheer hard work, studying and knowing WHERE TO BE, and when. It’s not something that falls out of the sky & hits you on the head, randomly. You KNEW which field to be in, on which night, because you studied the meteor showers patterns for years.
Or, something like that.
Oh, I’m not saying that only luck rules in human affairs by any means— just that there is a certain random element that even the best laid plans can be undone by.
But Mousie, thou are no thy-lane,
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men,
Gang aft agley,
An’ lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain,
For promis’d joy!
Still, thou art blest, compar’d wi’ me!
The present only toucheth thee:
But Och! I backward cast my e’e,
On prospects drear!
An’ forward, tho’ I canna see,
I guess an’ fear!
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avanti Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:00:15pm |
re: #357 Floral Giraffe
Yes, but “luck” is often the result of sheer hard work, studying and knowing WHERE TO BE, and when. It’s not something that falls out of the sky & hits you on the head, randomly. You KNEW which field to be in, on which night, because you studied the meteor showers patterns for years.
Or, something like that.
You don’t wait for your ship to come in, you swim out to it. I’m convinced there are more ways to make money than anyone can imagine. It takes hard work, and willingness to take a risk now and than, but luck has little to do with it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:00:32pm |
re: #337 cliffster
And watch people downding my comment in your defense. Because we hate Sarah Palin. Which I don’t argue with. But, I have an idea - make a joke about burning Obama at the stake. Watch the holy hell come down on you then.
It was because of the Joan of Arc comment. Which you know. And he apologized. And the comment was deleted. It was tasteless, it was agreed to be tasteless, it went bye-bye.
I will comment that in my eyes, announcing at the end of a paid convention speech that you would die for the people of America is also fairly tasteless, but Sarah is not a member of this community, so I can’t down-ding her.
I don’t want to start a brawl, but I also don’t want to pussy-foot around, so let me just ask, do you want PT to do more public penance over it, or is this really about what you can’t say about Obama around here any more? Because that’s what I’ve been picking up from a couple of different people, and I don’t know exactly what they want from the group.
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Jadespring Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:00:59pm |
re: #335 SanFranciscoZionist
And as a society, we’ve made sowing that much harder. Used to be, for a while, you could get out of high school and get a factory job that would allow you to buy a house, a car, raise your kids, and pay a pension.
If there’s one of those out there anywhere these days…well, my husband wants it.
My Dad had a job like that, though he went to University. That’s a lot different now too. It was normal to be able to get a decent enough paying job in the summer months to pay tuition and expenses. Now not so much. I know lots of people who have been to school, get out, get decent jobs but have to spend the first years paying off the debt from school. It’s hard to start saving tons when you start with debt.
Anyways it took him a while to understand the differences us kids have faced.
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Interesting Times Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:01:19pm |
re: #355 TampaKnight
On the flip side, I think proponents of social programs often discount the role, value, and importance of community help and reach out to others.
Yes! They even ridiculed people who organized community programs by saying they had “no real responsibilities” and…oh, wait, those are the same people who ridicule social programs as well…never mind :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:01:25pm |
re: #345 Floral Giraffe
What are you trying to be or do here?
I can’t tell.
Please expand on your thoughts.
That was more like what I was trying to say.
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Racer X Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:01:35pm |
re: #356 avanti
Good job!
The point is SS is better than nothing, but invest in an IRA or something to complement SS.
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:01:39pm |
re: #342 iceweasel
Indeed, but young folks don’t realize that Life Happens even if it’s not a catastrophe. That means you paid off that 30 year mortgage just in time for the roof to need fixing, or the plumbing or electric. Or the washer/dryer goes, or the stove, the frig, the car blah blah blah. It’s not even about having the “extras” like TV, computer and cell phones. It’s the basics.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:02:07pm |
re: #357 Floral Giraffe
Yes, but “luck” is often the result of sheer hard work, studying and knowing WHERE TO BE, and when. It’s not something that falls out of the sky & hits you on the head, randomly. You KNEW which field to be in, on which night, because you studied the meteor showers patterns for years.
Or, something like that.
Luck is a fine strategy, if you put a p in front of it.
— anonymous
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:02:41pm |
re: #358 Gus 802
Exactly. Especially regarding Providence. No, people don’t often reap what they sow. In essence that is like saying those that lost had done something wrong that caused their loss but that isn’t always the case. Random and outside events can affect any outcome. That includes pensions, retirement plans, Enron, the DOW, Bernie Madoff, etc. Even when people do the right thing they’re sometimes bitten in the hand by random events outside of their control. This doesn’t even include health issues.
Yes. I’m sure it happens everywhere, it being part of the human condition, (this evil eye warding off, or need to believe that luck doesn’t play a role in one’s own affairs)— but the Providential aspect of it I would tie to specifically American ideas about Providence.
We’re a secular nation, but there’s no doubt that these ideas form part of our national culture and our history.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:03:00pm |
re: #361 iceweasel
Oh, I’m not saying that only luck rules in human affairs by any means— just that there is a certain random element that even the best laid plans can be undone by.
Absolutely.
The Roi suffered a spinal injury a few years ago, that left him with a progressive nerve deterioration that will most likely leave him crippled within a few years.
Not what we planned on, but it’s what we’ve got.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:03:15pm |
re: #358 Gus 802
Very smart/lucky people lost everything from Madoff.
Nancy Silverton founder of the La Brea Bakery, lost everything she made from selling the bakery. It was millions.
And a very sad outcome, for many who “should” have known better.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:03:28pm |
re: #361 iceweasel
Oh, I’m not saying that only luck rules in human affairs by any means— just that there is a certain random element that even the best laid plans can be undone by.
But Mousie, thou are no thy-lane,
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men,
Gang aft agley,
An’ lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain,
For promis’d joy!Still, thou art blest, compar’d wi’ me!
The present only toucheth thee:
But Och! I backward cast my e’e,
On prospects drear!
An’ forward, tho’ I canna see,
I guess an’ fear!
Aaah! She’s been married to a Scotsman for eight weeks and she’s already quoting Burns!
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:03:35pm |
re: #361 iceweasel
Oh, I’m not saying that only luck rules in human affairs by any means— just that there is a certain random element that even the best laid plans can be undone by.
But Mousie, thou are no thy-lane,
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men,
Gang aft agley,
An’ lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain,
For promis’d joy!Still, thou art blest, compar’d wi’ me!
The present only toucheth thee:
But Och! I backward cast my e’e,
On prospects drear!
An’ forward, tho’ I canna see,
I guess an’ fear!
Upding for Burns…
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Racer X Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:03:38pm |
re: #360 jamesfirecat
Take 5k out of that 8 and put it in a CD or something. Then don’t touch it for years. Add to it as much as you can. Do it.
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avanti Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:04:34pm |
re: #369 The Sanity Inspector
Luck is a fine strategy, if you put a p in front of it.
— anonymous
“I’m a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it.” - Thomas Jefferson
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austin_blue Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:04:53pm |
re: #338 PT Barnum
buy and hold is always a sounder strategy than trying to time the market…Works for Warren Buffet…
As soon as my child support obligation ends in 4 months, I plan to take the amount that was going into that and start paying down debt as fast as I possibly can…then I’ll start buying into some index funds and maybe some bond funds…going to just keep putting in every month and hope I can make up for some lost time, since I’ve got less than 20 years before I can collect SS. I won’t ever quit working, but I’d like to be in a position to do things I like that don’t necessarily pay big bucks at some point.
I’ve been paying down my mortgage since 2000 rather than putting money into our Roth’s. Since March, I’ve been splitting the difference. Now, everything is going to the mortgage. I’ve got a bad feeling about stocks in the short term. I’ve thrown all of the Roth’s into bonds.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:05:18pm |
re: #361 iceweasel
Oh, I’m not saying that only luck rules in human affairs by any means— just that there is a certain random element that even the best laid plans can be undone by.
But Mousie, thou are no thy-lane,
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men,
Gang aft agley,
An’ lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain,
For promis’d joy!Still, thou art blest, compar’d wi’ me!
The present only toucheth thee:
But Och! I backward cast my e’e,
On prospects drear!
An’ forward, tho’ I canna see,
I guess an’ fear!
Robert Burns, always a favorite. Hi, ice.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:05:31pm |
re: #364 Jadespring
My Dad had a job like that, though he went to University. That’s a lot different now too. It was normal to be able to get a decent enough paying job in the summer months to pay tuition and expenses. Now not so much. I know lots of people who have been to school, get out, get decent jobs but have to spend the first years paying off the debt from school. It’s hard to start saving tons when you start with debt.
Anyways it took him a while to understand the differences us kids have faced.
When we were battling it out over U.C. fees here in California, people kept writing in to the papers saying that the kids should ‘just get jobs’, or ‘pack lunches from home’.
I know people who went to Berkeley in the 60s and 70s. Tuition was fifty bucks a semester. You could waitress your way through school, and a lot of people did.
The kids now cannot do that.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:05:58pm |
re: #375 Racer X
Take 5k out of that 8 and put it in a CD or something. Then don’t touch it for years. Add to it as much as you can. Do it.
The stock market is a tricky thing though I know it tends to trend up over time.
Like I said gonna talk with my parents about that kind of thing after I graduate but thank you for your advice.
I just hope most of my jobs are as easy as my intership, being a computer intern ussually seems to end up meaning I could spend 50% of my time on this sight with my code ready to be switched over in another window and still get paid $20 an hour….
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:06:27pm |
re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist
No. People say hideous things about Palin, and highly misogynistic things, and it goes by the wayside. I don’t consider, “I don’t see why yall are making such a big deal about this” to be an apology, but it’s also not about PT. Or Obama. I have a very big problem with the fact that now that it’s fashionable to dislike Palin, you can say whatever fucked up stuff you want to say about her. Thanks for asking; I respect you very much and that’s why I give you an explanation.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:06:38pm |
re: #334 Racer X
I left most of my money where it was. 3 weeks ago it was above where it was a year ago. Those who took their money out a year ago made a huge mistake.
I’m a DRIP investor, and I kept putting my monthly allotment during the freefall. The values were plummetting, but because I kept to my routine, I now have many more shares, bought cheap, that are now appreciating.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:06:52pm |
re: #361 iceweasel
Treat yourself to some easy to read, increase your financial competence, make you think kinda stuff. I STRONGLY reccomend “the millionaire next door”, and suprising to me, I enjoyed “rich dad, poor dad”. I had always thought the author a joke, until I read a book of his. Made me think. Which is the point.
“Millionaire next door” is a must read, IMHO, for everyone.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:06:57pm |
re: #368 marjoriemoon
Or sometimes you haven’t paid off the mortgage first. It is a young person’s point of view. Its the same problem that youngsters think they don’t need health insurance for their unborn child because they are healthy. I made that mistake! Life happens to us while we are busy making other plans.
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:07:43pm |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
Robert Burns, always a favorite. Hi, ice.
Hey cutie! *waves* How’s it going?
Yep, I love Burns. Partly because of ma laddie, of course:
Let loove sparkle in her e’e,
Let her lo’e nae man but me:
That’s the tocher guid I prize,
There the luver’s treasure lies.
tocher guid = marriage portion. :)
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Racer X Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:08:27pm |
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iceweasel Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:08:47pm |
re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist
Aaah! She’s been married to a Scotsman for eight weeks and she’s already quoting Burns!
Heh. Actually did know that one long before…
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:08:49pm |
re: #384 Escaped Hillbilly
Or sometimes you haven’t paid off the mortgage first. It is a young person’s point of view. Its the same problem that youngsters think they don’t need health insurance for their unborn child because they are healthy. I made that mistake! Life happens to us while we are busy making other plans.
You said a mouthful!
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:09:42pm |
re: #383 Floral Giraffe
Treat yourself to some easy to read, increase your financial competence, make you think kinda stuff. I STRONGLY reccomend “the millionaire next door”, and suprising to me, I enjoyed “rich dad, poor dad”. I had always thought the author a joke, until I read a book of his. Made me think. Which is the point.
“Millionaire next door” is a must read, IMHO, for everyone.
As I said upthread, “The Wealthy Barber” will give you philosophies that will almost surely get you where you want to be in the long run. Millionaire Next Door is must read too.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:09:54pm |
re: #360 jamesfirecat
I think I already have about 8,00 in my savings account which at the moment also doubles as my checking acount, I’ll talk with my parents about that kind of thing since it does sound like it could be a good idea.
The one thing I am proud of is that I took a “hard” major of computer science.
I don’t know what I’d do if I had something wishy washy like English, or Journalisim, besides move to Alaska and run for governor of course. ZING!
Fine & dandy. I’m just here to tell you that money is like sex. When you’ve got it, you don’t think about it. When you don’t, you don’t think about anything else.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:11:06pm |
re: #385 iceweasel
Hey cutie! *waves* How’s it going?
Yep, I love Burns. Partly because of ma laddie, of course:
Let loove sparkle in her e’e,
Let her lo’e nae man but me:
That’s the tocher guid I prize,
There the luver’s treasure lies.tocher guid = marriage portion. :)
He could be bawdy, no doubt about it. He got in trouble twice for having sex outside of marriage, the second time getting the woman pregnant. I don’t know what became of the child.
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austin_blue Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:12:04pm |
re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist
It was because of the Joan of Arc comment. Which you know. And he apologized. And the comment was deleted. It was tasteless, it was agreed to be tasteless, it went bye-bye.
I will comment that in my eyes, announcing at the end of a paid convention speech that you would die for the people of America is also fairly tasteless, but Sarah is not a member of this community, so I can’t down-ding her.
I don’t want to start a brawl, but I also don’t want to pussy-foot around, so let me just ask, do you want PT to do more public penance over it, or is this really about what you can’t say about Obama around here any more? Because that’s what I’ve been picking up from a couple of different people, and I don’t know exactly what they want from the group.
Obama is fair game (and I have contributed to him since his Senate run in 2004 when we we sneaked out of the crowd and smoked cigarettes behind Gary Mauro’s in west Austin during a fundraiser) but the ad hominem attacks must be justified by fact, not fiction.
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:12:29pm |
re: #384 Escaped Hillbilly
Or sometimes you haven’t paid off the mortgage first. It is a young person’s point of view. Its the same problem that youngsters think they don’t need health insurance for their unborn child because they are healthy. I made that mistake! Life happens to us while we are busy making other plans.
We bought an old home, 1949 because we liked the old deco style, but mostly because it was all we could afford! We’ve replaced damn near everything. The roof, septic, plumbing, electric, most of the appliances. The joys of homeownership kinda gets less joyous as the time goes on.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:13:01pm |
re: #391 Dark_Falcon
Hunh. Benjamin Franklin raised his illegitimate son. As did the son, when he did what Dad did.
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Jadespring Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:13:51pm |
re: #379 SanFranciscoZionist
When we were battling it out over U.C. fees here in California, people kept writing in to the papers saying that the kids should ‘just get jobs’, or ‘pack lunches from home’.
I know people who went to Berkeley in the 60s and 70s. Tuition was fifty bucks a semester. You could waitress your way through school, and a lot of people did.
The kids now cannot do that.
Yep I know it. I went back to school after age 30, not so many years ago. I worked all the way through it and paid my way without loans or aid. I could only afford to go part time though. Now of course if I worked full time I could have afforded to go full time but then no time to do it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:15:05pm |
re: #381 cliffster
No. People say hideous things about Palin, and highly misogynistic things, and it goes by the wayside. I don’t consider, “I don’t see why yall are making such a big deal about this” to be an apology, but it’s also not about PT. Or Obama. I have a very big problem with the fact that now that it’s fashionable to dislike Palin, you can say whatever fucked up stuff you want to say about her. Thanks for asking; I respect you very much and that’s why I give you an explanation.
OK. Thank you for explaining your thoughts on this, I appreciate the insight and the courtesy.
I also apologize if I seemed blunt in asking—sometimes I just can’t think of any elegant way to address issues.
I agree that we need to be careful about the kind of language we use around here, and that a group consensus about a person such as Palin does give people more leeway to say out-of-line things.
Luckily, we have a good group. And Charles.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:16:14pm |
re: #394 marjoriemoon
I think we’ve talked about this before. My son and I bought a 1958 house because its fine for us and, we hope, an investment. Lots of work to be done but we are eboth able bodied (more or less) and enjoy DIY. Hope I still feel that way after a few years of it. At least you were smart enough to not borrow yourself into bankrupcy trying to buy more house than you could afford like so many others.
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avanti Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:16:47pm |
re: #389 cliffster
As I said upthread, “The Wealthy Barber” will give you philosophies that will almost surely get you where you want to be in the long run. Millionaire Next Door is must read too.
My problem is finding folks that are willing to work and take a risk. I have a few ‘Studebaker” dealers around the country that I work with to avoid shipping cars to me in Md to prep for ebay. I’ll buy a car, take the risk and pay for parts if needed and split the profit with the “dealer”. He does the sweat equity, I take the risk. Two of my guys are making more on their weekends, then at there regular jobs.
If you are a car guy, you could do the same with say GTO’s. If your not a car guy, maybe musical instruments, or other ebay items.
I’m a small fish compared to some of the ebay sellers that make a fortune with just a laptop and some imagination.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:17:17pm |
From elseweb:
For the first time in NFL history, a team advanced to and won the Super Bowl by defeating three teams led by Super Bowl-winning quarterbacks.
In the divisional round, the Saints knocked off — and ended the career of — Kurt Warner. In the NFC Championship, the Saints took down — and possibly ended the career of — Brett Favre.
And in the Super Bowl, the Saints defeated the son of the man who was the only bright spot for the franchise during years of darkness,.
Against Warner, Favre, and Peyton Manning, the Saints allowed only two touchdown passes, and generated four interceptions.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:17:22pm |
re: #395 EmmmieG
Hunh. Benjamin Franklin raised his illegitimate son. As did the son, when he did what Dad did.
That crazy man Franklin
“Oh to be seventy again!”
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:18:55pm |
re: #395 EmmmieG
Hunh. Benjamin Franklin raised his illegitimate son. As did the son, when he did what Dad did.
OK, I don’t know if anyone but Alouette will appreciate this one, but somewhere in Gemara or possibly a commentary, it says that a man who eats matzah before the seder is like one who sleeps with his fiance in her father’s house before the wedding.
Legend has it that Chaim Bialik, the great Hebrew poet, commented on that in the margin, “I’ve done both, and they are not similar.”
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:19:39pm |
re: #381 cliffster
re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist
OK. Thank you for explaining your thoughts on this, I appreciate the insight and the courtesy.
I also apologize if I seemed blunt in asking—sometimes I just can’t think of any elegant way to address issues.
I agree that we need to be careful about the kind of language we use around here, and that a group consensus about a person such as Palin does give people more leeway to say out-of-line things.
Luckily, we have a good group. And Charles.
I concur. I didn’t see it when the fecal material first hit the rotating oscillator, but as people explained their reasoning, I realized I was out of line and apologized. I hope we can just let this go, until of course, I make some other joke that people are offended by, at which point I will apologize again.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:19:59pm |
I got my attitude towards money from people who had taken a vow of poverty and my sex education from the same people—who had also taken a vow of chastity. Somehow it all worked out.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:20:12pm |
re: #379 SanFranciscoZionist
No, but if they live at home, and carry as many classes as they can do well in, and work at least a part time job, they WILL be able to get a good education. It’s HARD WORK. Not something a lot of people want to do, or are good at. A good education is not something that everyone needs, IMHO. Lots of good paying jobs, do not need a degree.
My plumber makes a very nice living.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:20:49pm |
re: #403 PT Barnum
re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist
I concur. I didn’t see it when the fecal material first hit the rotating oscillator, but as people explained their reasoning, I realized I was out of line and apologized. I hope we can just let this go, until of course, I make some other joke that people are offended by, at which point I will apologize again.
cliffster hearts PT
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:21:03pm |
re: #405 Floral Giraffe
No, but if they live at home, and carry as many classes as they can do well in, and work at least a part time job, they WILL be able to get a good education. It’s HARD WORK. Not something a lot of people want to do, or are good at. A good education is not something that everyone needs, IMHO. Lots of good paying jobs, do not need a degree.
My plumber makes a very nice living.
As a political consultant?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:21:48pm |
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:22:26pm |
re: #398 Escaped Hillbilly
I think we’ve talked about this before. My son and I bought a 1958 house because its fine for us and, we hope, an investment. Lots of work to be done but we are eboth able bodied (more or less) and enjoy DIY. Hope I still feel that way after a few years of it. At least you were smart enough to not borrow yourself into bankrupcy trying to buy more house than you could afford like so many others.
We got very lucky and bought in 2000 before the market crested.
I’m about 17 years from retirement, but it’s totally freaked me out. I see what happens to families, my own and others. I’m a bit of a penny pincher and although we started out as DIY fans, now I’m of the belief, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
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austin_blue Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:22:35pm |
re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist
OK. Thank you for explaining your thoughts on this, I appreciate the insight and the courtesy.
I also apologize if I seemed blunt in asking—sometimes I just can’t think of any elegant way to address issues.
I agree that we need to be careful about the kind of language we use around here, and that a group consensus about a person such as Palin does give people more leeway to say out-of-line things.
Luckily, we have a good group. And Charles.
Agreed, but here’s my read (biased!) about Palin:
She is is hideously ill-read and ignorant of many of the basic concepts of public policy and foreign policy. Period. Full stop. Can she learn these things? Don’t think so, she’s not a natural wonk. She seems to me to be a creation of the spin doctors. There’s no *there* there.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:23:16pm |
re: #379 SanFranciscoZionist
When we were battling it out over U.C. fees here in California, people kept writing in to the papers saying that the kids should ‘just get jobs’, or ‘pack lunches from home’.
I know people who went to Berkeley in the 60s and 70s. Tuition was fifty bucks a semester. You could waitress your way through school, and a lot of people did.
The kids now cannot do that.
I remember the sticker shock I experienced when I moved from the local campus of the state university to the main campus (had my AA and to get a BA you had to go next door) at ENMU. I had to drop out for a while. I had 2 jobs and could no way afford tuition for a single semester even after a PELL grant. Lucky for me Augusta State turned out to be a little more reasonable (and I made a little more money as a Soldier than as a cook/cashier.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:24:03pm |
re: #408 EmmmieG
So…they don’t both involve shotguns?
//Just wondering…
You could probably load a shotgun with crumbled stale matzah…then again, you can use stale matzah for substitute drywall. It’s a miracle product.
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:24:13pm |
re: #406 cliffster
cliffster hearts PT
re: #402 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, I don’t know if anyone but Alouette will appreciate this one, but somewhere in Gemara or possibly a commentary, it says that a man who eats matzah before the seder is like one who sleeps with his fiance in her father’s house before the wedding.
Legend has it that Chaim Bialik, the great Hebrew poet, commented on that in the margin, “I’ve done both, and they are not similar.”
Reminds me of the story about the priest and the rabbi who are good friends and they are chatting about the rules of their respective faiths. The father says, “Tell me Hiram, have you ever tasted ham?” The rabbi says “why yes, I did try ham once. Tell me John, have you ever had sex?”
The father says “Why yes, yes I did once, before I took my vows”. The rabbi replies “Better than ham, isn’t it?”
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:24:54pm |
re: #407 Decatur Deb
Dirty drains, NOT done dirt cheap!
Hey, he sends me a Christmas card every year.
I KNOW I’m a good customer!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:25:09pm |
re: #413 PT Barnum
Reminds me of the story about the priest and the rabbi who are good friends and they are chatting about the rules of their respective faiths. The father says, “Tell me Hiram, have you ever tasted ham?” The rabbi says “why yes, I did try ham once. Tell me John, have you ever had sex?”
The father says “Why yes, yes I did once, before I took my vows”. The rabbi replies “Better than ham, isn’t it?”
We tell the same joke. We use a bishop and a priest, and we use coffee.
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Jadespring Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:25:16pm |
re: #405 Floral Giraffe
No, but if they live at home, and carry as many classes as they can do well in, and work at least a part time job, they WILL be able to get a good education. It’s HARD WORK. Not something a lot of people want to do, or are good at. A good education is not something that everyone needs, IMHO. Lots of good paying jobs, do not need a degree.
My plumber makes a very nice living.
Not everyone has the ability to live at home. If you do, great. It’s more then possible. At one time I looked into a trade as well. That’s changed from the past as well. Straight apprenticeships with no schooling are very uncommon. Most trades now include some sort of paid schooling which can be just as expensive on a semester basis as any regular degree.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:25:17pm |
re: #405 Floral Giraffe
No, but if they live at home, and carry as many classes as they can do well in, and work at least a part time job, they WILL be able to get a good education. It’s HARD WORK. Not something a lot of people want to do, or are good at. A good education is not something that everyone needs, IMHO. Lots of good paying jobs, do not need a degree.
My plumber makes a very nice living.
Plumbers get highly specialized education if they are licensed. But yeah.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:25:23pm |
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:25:23pm |
re: #412 SanFranciscoZionist
You could probably load a shotgun with crumbled stale matzah…then again, you can use stale matzah for substitute drywall. It’s a miracle product.
I’m not Jewish, but had a Jewish friend in High School (kinda rare for Iowa)..but learned to like matzo with peanut butter…
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:26:13pm |
re: #394 marjoriemoon
We bought an old home, 1949 because we liked the old deco style, but mostly because it was all we could afford! We’ve replaced damn near everything. The roof, septic, plumbing, electric, most of the appliances. The joys of homeownership kinda gets less joyous as the time goes on.
And sidebar: That’s also something to factor in, how much is that fixer-upper going to cost, as compared to something new. I had a co-worker who drove a piece’a junk that was constantly having to go into the shop. “But I can’t afford a good car!” Oh, but you can afford to break down every three months…?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:26:24pm |
re: #415 EmmmieG
We tell the same joke. We use a bishop and a priest, and we use coffee.
Right…Mormon…that took me a second. I work in a Catholic school, and all the religious drink coffee like it’s going out of style.
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:26:44pm |
re: #419 PT Barnum
I’m not Jewish, but had a Jewish friend in High School (kinda rare for Iowa)..but learned to like matzo with peanut butter…
showed my ignorance didn’t I …it was matza…
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jamesfirecat Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:27:27pm |
re: #410 austin_blue
Agreed, but here’s my read (biased!) about Palin:
She is is hideously ill-read and ignorant of many of the basic concepts of public policy and foreign policy. Period. Full stop. Can she learn these things? Don’t think so, she’s not a natural wonk. She seems to me to be a creation of the spin doctors. There’s no *there* there.
To quote Jon Stewart
“When you peel back the pretty, shooty layers of the Palin onion, there’s no onion.”
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:27:27pm |
re: #416 Jadespring
Not everyone has the ability to live at home. If you do, great. It’s more then possible. At one time I looked into a trade as well. That’s changed from the past as well. Straight apprenticeships with no schooling are very uncommon. Most trades now include some sort of paid schooling which can be just as expensive on a semester basis as any regular degree.
I had an idea of doing a housepainting apprenticeship when I got out of high school, or maybe plumbing. Everyone laughed at me. I got a BA in European History instead.
WHY did everyone act as though I was crazy?
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:27:56pm |
re: #409 marjoriemoon
I am 2 years, 11 months, and 27 days from retirement (if I take it when offered) and just bought this place. I better get to work.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:28:06pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:28:10pm |
re: #421 SanFranciscoZionist
Right…Mormon…that took me a second. I work in a Catholic school, and all the religious drink coffee like it’s going out of style.
High quality coffee=$4 a cup
High quality hot chocolate= $.38 a packet.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:28:11pm |
re: #399 avanti
Technology is creating a lot of frictional unemployment, but it’s also presenting a ton of opportunity. Less Facebook & Twitter, more ebay.. early retirement. That’s not me, but I’ll write a book about it if someone wants to give me an advance.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:29:23pm |
re: #417 Escaped Hillbilly
My plumber is a self made guy, and he’s a good guy. Works the long hard hours, has built up a loyal crew of equally hard working guys. And, CARES about the quality of his & his crews work. His phone/appointment person calls within 2 weeks of EVERY completed job, to make sure you , the customer are happy with the work. And it’s not BS. He wants to know.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:29:25pm |
re: #410 austin_blue
Agreed, but here’s my read (biased!) about Palin:
She is is hideously ill-read and ignorant of many of the basic concepts of public policy and foreign policy. Period. Full stop. Can she learn these things? Don’t think so, she’s not a natural wonk. She seems to me to be a creation of the spin doctors. There’s no *there* there.
Quite Concur.
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:29:39pm |
re: #426 SanFranciscoZionist
Both are correct.
My main experience with Jewish cuisine is lox and bagels…..
Although I did meet a Jewish Norwegian once..he offered to take me out for lutegifeltifisk.
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Jadespring Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:30:46pm |
re: #424 SanFranciscoZionist
I had an idea of doing a housepainting apprenticeship when I got out of high school, or maybe plumbing. Everyone laughed at me. I got a BA in European History instead.
WHY did everyone act as though I was crazy?
Trades generally seem to be looked on as a bum deal. And as much as I hate to say it, maybe because you were female? Thankfully that’s one thing that’s changing for the better.
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:30:55pm |
re: #420 The Sanity Inspector
And sidebar: That’s also something to factor in, how much is that fixer-upper going to cost, as compared to something new. I had a co-worker who drove a piece’a junk that was constantly having to go into the shop. “But I can’t afford a good car!” Oh, but you can afford to break down every three months…?
That is true, but sometimes it’s easier to do it piecemeal. The price difference in new v. old homes was at least $100K. Meanwhile we did the roof one year, the windows in another couple years, and so on.
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:31:40pm |
re: #424 SanFranciscoZionist
I had an idea of doing a housepainting apprenticeship when I got out of high school, or maybe plumbing. Everyone laughed at me. I got a BA in European History instead.
WHY did everyone act as though I was crazy?
Cuz youse a gurl.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:31:59pm |
re: #431 PT Barnum
Lox and bagels - I can get behind that. But not ready to pick out drapes or anything, PT…
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:32:13pm |
re: #432 Jadespring
Trades generally seem to be looked on as a bum deal. And as much as I hate to say it, maybe because you were female? Thankfully that’s one thing that’s changing for the better.
The daughter of friends of friends did a course in auto mechanics. Apparently the environment in the shop was so horrifically sexist that she decided to go back to school and become a beautician. I am not kidding. She’s still doing hair, loves it, and fixes cars for friends on the weekend.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:33:03pm |
re: #427 EmmmieG
High quality coffee=$4 a cup
High quality hot chocolate= $.38 a packet.
Folgers=about .10 a cup
Nestle Quick=about .25 a glass
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:33:25pm |
re: #427 EmmmieG
High quality coffee=$4 a cup
High quality hot chocolate= $.38 a packet.
Chock Full of Nuts, and I can’t stress strongly enough, is the best coffee in the world. Heavenly, better coffee a millionaire’s money can’t buy.
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:33:38pm |
re: #435 cliffster
Lox and bagels - I can get behind that. But not ready to pick out drapes or anything, PT…
LOL!
Well at least we can find something to agree on…I like my steak medium rare..how about you? Or is it too soon? :)
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:34:17pm |
re: #425 Escaped Hillbilly
I am 2 years, 11 months, and 27 days from retirement (if I take it when offered) and just bought this place. I better get to work.
I’m green with envy :)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:34:30pm |
re: #437 Escaped Hillbilly
Folgers=about .10 a cup
Nestle Quick=about .25 a glass
Yes, but calcium counts for something.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:35:17pm |
re: #433 marjoriemoon
That is true, but sometimes it’s easier to do it piecemeal. The price difference in new v. old homes was at least $100K. Meanwhile we did the roof one year, the windows in another couple years, and so on.
I desperately needed repairs to 50 year old aluminum sliding glass doors at the folks house. Had 3 different firms come out, take a look, take a part back with them to figure out how to machine it & fix my problem. Not one, ever got back to me. I finally contacted the local “preservation society” & asked for a referral.
HE WAS THE BEST. Came out, laughed at the job, gave me a number in 10 minutes. His crew was great. He looked at my busted sliding glass doors, told me what model & what company they were from & who had invented them. Awesome guy. loves what he does, and a good worker too!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:35:57pm |
re: #441 EmmmieG
Yes, but calcium counts for something.
Note to others: never let an Iraqi Jewish coworker discover that you are making instant coffee in the office kitchen. It will have a chilling effect on any potential friendship.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:36:36pm |
re: #438 marjoriemoon
Chock Full of Nuts, and I can’t stress strongly enough, is the best coffee in the world. Heavenly, better coffee a millionaire’s money can’t buy.
Started drinking it in their shops in Manhattan, and I’m very glad they export it to Alabama. Yuban is a distant second.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:36:42pm |
re: #429 Floral Giraffe
You need to pass along his number…to me, not anyone else, don’t want the secret to get out. My electrician is my 19 year old…he does a better job than the last 2. He plans to go to school this year. He has been told to expect to put in 10 years starting with 2 years of college and/or tech school.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:37:32pm |
re: #439 PT Barnum
Well at least we can find something to agree on…I like my steak medium rare..how about you? Or is it too soon? :)
It’s moving pretty quick, but I agree that anything more than medium rare should be punishable with prison time.
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:37:47pm |
re: #444 Decatur Deb
Started drinking it in their shops in Manhattan, and I’m very glad they export it to Alabama. Yuban is a distant second.
Chock Full O nuts..sounds like what was going on at the Tea Party Convention.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:38:31pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:38:40pm |
re: #445 Escaped Hillbilly
You need to pass along his number…to me, not anyone else, don’t want the secret to get out. My electrician is my 19 year old…he does a better job than the last 2. He plans to go to school this year. He has been told to expect to put in 10 years starting with 2 years of college and/or tech school.
If you’re in So. Cal. happy to. He can refer your 19 year old, to someone good, or I have an amazing electrician out of Long Beach. DOn’t know if he’s looking for help, or not.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:38:56pm |
I had a mother who took wood shop in ‘65, and an English teacher who had been called in by the counselor because she had signed up for both physics and calculus, and since girls can’t handle both, she had to choose one.
I also had a mother who once answered the math question “Prove that a=b” with an essay on why a should be proud to be its own letter, and not compare itself to other letters.
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Jadespring Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:39:06pm |
re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist
The daughter of friends of friends did a course in auto mechanics. Apparently the environment in the shop was so horrifically sexist that she decided to go back to school and become a beautician. I am not kidding. She’s still doing hair, loves it, and fixes cars for friends on the weekend.
I can believe it. There is still much sexism in the trades but it’s slowly getting better. I actually know few young women who are getting into them as a first choice. Ten years ago I don’t think I knew anyone.
My degree is just general arts. I just couldn’t make up my mind and switched my areas of study a few times. I finally just filled in a few credits to get the durn thing done. I’m now self-employed in an area that I guess could be considered a trade though.
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:39:07pm |
re: #446 cliffster
It’s moving pretty quick, but I agree that anything more than medium rare should be punishable with prison time.
fair enough…of course I like mine on the rare side of medium rare… as I’ve said before “if it ain’t mooin’ I ain’t chewin’”
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:39:33pm |
re: #431 PT Barnum
My main experience with Jewish cuisine is lox and bagels…
Although I did meet a Jewish Norwegian once..he offered to take me out for lutegifeltifisk.
I don’t remember much of the Jewish cuisine I had in Israel, long ago. I remember the grapefruit juice tasted like orange juice, and the orange juice tasted like High C. And I had pomelo fruit for the first time. And the pizza in Haifa was vile. And we loved the falafels.
/ memory rush
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jaunte Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:40:17pm |
re: #447 PT Barnum
I was wondering about the name, and there is a wiki entry:
Their signature “nutted cheese” sandwich, made of cream cheese and chopped nuts on dark raisin bread, cost a nickel with a cup of coffee when the company was founded.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:40:44pm |
re: #449 Floral Giraffe
Other side of the continent, but thanks!
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:40:55pm |
re: #442 Floral Giraffe
I desperately needed repairs to 50 year old aluminum sliding glass doors at the folks house. Had 3 different firms come out, take a look, take a part back with them to figure out how to machine it & fix my problem. Not one, ever got back to me. I finally contacted the local “preservation society” & asked for a referral.
HE WAS THE BEST. Came out, laughed at the job, gave me a number in 10 minutes. His crew was great. He looked at my busted sliding glass doors, told me what model & what company they were from & who had invented them. Awesome guy. loves what he does, and a good worker too!
Wow. You don’t hear those stories much anymore!
I’ve had good and and bad luck with contractors. The floor guy was great. The windows guy sucked. It’s so hard to know what you’ll end up with.
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austin_blue Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:41:33pm |
re: #446 cliffster
It’s moving pretty quick, but I agree that anything more than medium rare should be punishable with prison time.
Moo. Steaks should be cool in the center.
Yummm… Organic beef…no steroids…no antibiotics…grass fed.
Yummm…
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:41:38pm |
re: #456 Escaped Hillbilly
Other side of the continent, but thanks!
Kid might like it here, though. Then you could come visit!
;)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:41:42pm |
re: #452 PT Barnum
fair enough…of course I like mine on the rare side of medium rare… as I’ve said before “if it ain’t mooin’ I ain’t chewin’”
I prefer my steaks well-done.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:42:56pm |
re: #458 marjoriemoon
Wow. You don’t hear those stories much anymore!
I’ve had good and and bad luck with contractors. The floor guy was great. The windows guy sucked. It’s so hard to know what you’ll end up with.
Angies List is worth perusing, as is the Better Business Bureau’s website.
But yes, there’s still uncertainty. My first roof job was terrible. And the guy had been in business for decades, had good reports on the BBB, and had done a good job for someone else in my neighborhood. He just didn’t have a good crew the year I hired him.
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austin_blue Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:43:00pm |
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:43:23pm |
re: #444 Decatur Deb
Started drinking it in their shops in Manhattan, and I’m very glad they export it to Alabama. Yuban is a distant second.
I was blown away! I just “discovered” it about a year ago. Coffee is my favorite most beverage.
OMG breaking news. They just interviewed James Carville at a Saints after party. You get down with your bad self, Jimmy. lol
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ryannon Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:43:34pm |
re: #422 PT Barnum
showed my ignorance didn’t I …it was matza…
That’s when it’s made by the Japanese.
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PT Barnum Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:44:25pm |
re: #461 Dark_Falcon
I prefer my steaks well-done.
Burned and steak come to mind but I’m not supposed to combine those two terms as part of the terms of my probation…
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:44:42pm |
re: #458 marjoriemoon
Wow. You don’t hear those stories much anymore!
I’ve had good and and bad luck with contractors. The floor guy was great. The windows guy sucked. It’s so hard to know what you’ll end up with.
I was SO impressed with the window guy!
“Sliding glass doors, heck, they’re just big windows”!
“see this lock, Gustav Germanname, invented it, this piece here, it’s the key.” His wife calls him a “window geek”.
He’s done 2 houses for me so far, and I refer him to anyone who asks, or will listen. And,
BEST SECRET EVER!!!!
Good workmen know other good workmen & are HAPPY to give you their names & numbers. Awesome, no?
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wiffersnapper Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:45:20pm |
gg colts. Stuck with the AFC (Broncos fan), and look what it got me!
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Escaped Hillbilly Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:45:47pm |
re: #460 Floral Giraffe
Kid might like it here, though. Then you could come visit!
;)
Hah-hah. He decided to become an electrician in part because Disney told him they are more likely to hire if you already have a trade. He is Florida bound and be damned. I like California ok, but a little pricey for an Army retiree so I’ll probably head south or southwest, but not that far west. Very hospitable of you to offer.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:46:05pm |
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Jadespring Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:46:07pm |
re: #442 Floral Giraffe
I desperately needed repairs to 50 year old aluminum sliding glass doors at the folks house. Had 3 different firms come out, take a look, take a part back with them to figure out how to machine it & fix my problem. Not one, ever got back to me. I finally contacted the local “preservation society” & asked for a referral.
HE WAS THE BEST. Came out, laughed at the job, gave me a number in 10 minutes. His crew was great. He looked at my busted sliding glass doors, told me what model & what company they were from & who had invented them. Awesome guy. loves what he does, and a good worker too!
I’m really lucky when it comes to house repairs and fix ups. My husband in his life before we met was a contractor. I always bug him by joking that’s one of the main reasons I married him.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:46:16pm |
re: #459 austin_blue
Moo. Steaks should be cool in the center.
Yummm… Organic beef…no steroids…no antibiotics…grass fed.
Yummm…
Dignity has a great appeal to the gustatory senses. The worms will enjoy austin_blue that much the more when your time comes, I’m sure.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:47:18pm |
re: #472 cliffster
That was a really weird way to express my view of life, it occurs to me. But, whatever.
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:48:11pm |
re: #462 The Sanity Inspector
Angies List is worth perusing, as is the Better Business Bureau’s website.
But yes, there’s still uncertainty. My first roof job was terrible. And the guy had been in business for decades, had good reports on the BBB, and had done a good job for someone else in my neighborhood. He just didn’t have a good crew the year I hired him.
I like Angie’s List! Word of mouth is best if you can get it. Mr. Moon picked out the sucky window guy. We don’t discuss that anymore :p
My roofer has been in business 30 years. I try to go for those long timers. Every time Florida decides I need a new wind insurance policy (they have twice now), I have to have another inspection and both times he filled out the forms for me so I didn’t have to pay $300 for a roof inspection. Nice fellow.
Oh yea, forgot to tell our SS hating friend, about home insurance (another necessary cost that sucks your income)!!
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What, me worry? Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:49:01pm |
re: #467 Floral Giraffe
I was SO impressed with the window guy!
“Sliding glass doors, heck, they’re just big windows”!
“see this lock, Gustav Germanname, invented it, this piece here, it’s the key.” His wife calls him a “window geek”.
He’s done 2 houses for me so far, and I refer him to anyone who asks, or will listen. And,
BEST SECRET EVER!!!
Good workmen know other good workmen & are HAPPY to give you their names & numbers. Awesome, no?
Totally. I wish I talked to you years ago :)
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austin_blue Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:49:20pm |
re: #470 Dark_Falcon
Why so?
The goodness of meat is in its rare state! Embrace your inner carnivore! Seared tuna is sublime. Sashimi is killer bee. Carpaccio is exquisite!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:51:56pm |
re: #479 austin_blue
The goodness of meat is in its rare state! Embrace your inner carnivore! Seared tuna is sublime. Sashimi is killer bee. Carpaccio is exquisite!
When I order tuna, I always tell them to cook it until the chef is ashamed to send it out of the kitchen. I like my tuna steak COOKED. Well done.
I’ll eat it raw in sushi, but that’s different, somehow.
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austin_blue Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:52:20pm |
re: #472 cliffster
Dignity has a great appeal to the gustatory senses. The worms will enjoy austin_blue that much the more when your time comes, I’m sure.
Worms? From organic, grass fed beef? Ha ha! The carnivore gods laugh at your insolence!
Me? I just love the taste of non-industrial meat.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:53:39pm |
Breaking, breaking: Fox news interviewed certain celebrities, and guess what:
Harry Connick, Jr. was rooting for the Saints.
Who’d a thunk?
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austin_blue Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:53:47pm |
re: #480 SanFranciscoZionist
When I order tuna, I always tell them to cook it until the chef is ashamed to send it out of the kitchen. I like my tuna steak COOKED. Well done.
I’ll eat it raw in sushi, but that’s different, somehow.
Well, there’s a cognitive disconnect. No offense.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:53:52pm |
re: #479 austin_blue
The goodness of meat is in its rare state! Embrace your inner carnivore! Seared tuna is sublime. Sashimi is killer bee. Carpaccio is exquisite!
I disagree. I prefer my meat well-cooked and firm, with A1 preferably.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:55:27pm |
re: #484 Dark_Falcon
I disagree. I prefer my meat well-cooked and firm, with A1 preferably.
If our children ask for A1, they get hot dogs.
Grilling. The only way to do steaks.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:55:57pm |
re: #481 austin_blue
Worms? From organic, grass fed beef? Ha ha! The carnivore gods laugh at your insolence!
Me? I just love the taste of non-industrial meat.
Well, I was referring to the worms that will be feasting on you after you get called home and your non-industrial-meat-consuming body gets turned over to the composting elements. But again, a little weird. As for non-industrial meat… fuck yeah!
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austin_blue Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:57:38pm |
re: #484 Dark_Falcon
I disagree. I prefer my meat well-cooked and firm, with A1 preferably.
Aargh. We must agree to disagree, then. Be well, my friend.
(But you don’t know what you’re missing with a well laid out carpaccio, nudge nudge wink wink. Heavenly.)
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 9:58:13pm |
re: #471 Jadespring
I’m really lucky when it comes to house repairs and fix ups. My husband in his life before we met was a contractor. I always bug him by joking that’s one of the main reasons I married him.
I wish I had one of those. Even as a workman! I’m handy, but there’s only so much you can do with 2 hands!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:00:12pm |
re: #483 austin_blue
Well, there’s a cognitive disconnect. No offense.
I just don’t like how squishy tuna is if you just take a bite of a rare seared tuna steak. And it’s warm.
Cold, raw tuna with rice and seaweed to counterbalance the texture, good.
Tuna steak that hasn’t been cooked nice and done all the way through, squishy.
I am weird about food textures and temperatures.
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Jadespring Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:01:33pm |
re: #488 Floral Giraffe
I wish I had one of those. Even as a workman! I’m handy, but there’s only so much you can do with 2 hands!
Yeah so true. I’m pretty handy too but it sure helps to have someone around who really knows what they’re doing. I’ve learned tons too. I can now plumb a sink and change a toilet, lay a wood floor and of course drywall. Gah I hate drywalling though.
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jaunte Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:02:06pm |
re: #489 SanFranciscoZionist
Y’all are making me hungry for some cold, lukewarm squishy, or hot tuna, and it’s too late to eat!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:02:32pm |
re: #489 SanFranciscoZionist
I just don’t like how squishy tuna is if you just take a bite of a rare seared tuna steak. And it’s warm.
Cold, raw tuna with rice and seaweed to counterbalance the texture, good.
Tuna steak that hasn’t been cooked nice and done all the way through, squishy.
I am weird about food textures and temperatures.
If you are serious about pregnancy, you need to read up on foods and gestation. Undercooked seafood is on the list to avoid. (Of course, I dislike seafood, so it didn’t matter to me.)
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:02:49pm |
re: #489 SanFranciscoZionist
LOL!
We’re all wierd about something!
It was here, that Thanos posted he doesn’t eat anything orange, except raw carrots sometimes. Uncle claimed to be allergic to strawberries & tomatoes, yet once the Alzheimers struck he LOVED them both.
Wierd, huh?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:04:15pm |
Wah. The shuttle launch is set for 4:14 am. which is the middle of the night here.
I like to have the kids watch the launches live.
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Jadespring Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:04:45pm |
re: #493 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
We’re all wierd about something!
It was here, that Thanos posted he doesn’t eat anything orange, except raw carrots sometimes. Uncle claimed to be allergic to strawberries & tomatoes, yet once the Alzheimers struck he LOVED them both.
Wierd, huh?
The weirdest food thing I ever came across was a guy that would only eat white food.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:07:39pm |
re: #495 Jadespring
I read a GREAT book. A fiction murder mystery, where the owner of the manse, required that his dinner be poured in a bucket & stirred around, so he could see what it would look like. If he didn’t like they way it looked, the staff made another meal!
It was a big laugh, at all of the family dinners, while Dad was alive. He thought it was a big funny. ( Mom was never much of a cook!)
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austin_blue Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:09:12pm |
re: #492 EmmmieG
If you are serious about pregnancy, you need to read up on foods and gestation. Undercooked seafood is on the list to avoid. (Of course, I dislike seafood, so it didn’t matter to me.)
Salt water fish have nothing that can transfer to humans (worms, parasites, &c).
There are toxins intrinsic to salt water fish that can affect humans (see Fugu), but outside of those rare outliers, ocean fish is perfectly edible, raw.
Oh, let’s mention mercury…
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jaunte Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:09:29pm |
re: #495 Jadespring
I have some friends whose son went through a similar whitefood phase for a couple of years (age 6-8).
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Jadespring Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:10:39pm |
re: #496 Floral Giraffe
I read a GREAT book. A fiction murder mystery, where the owner of the manse, required that his dinner be poured in a bucket & stirred around, so he could see what it would look like. If he didn’t like they way it looked, the staff made another meal!
It was a big laugh, at all of the family dinners, while Dad was alive. He thought it was a big funny. ( Mom was never much of a cook!)
LOL. Took me a few seconds to figure out why he would do that.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:10:51pm |
re: #494 EmmmieG
Once upon a time, we were little kids, visiting Florida with Uncle, there to see a space launch. We got sent to bed, but were woken up by the “earthquake”. We had to be quiet, but I remember standing on the bed, watching a moon launch, 5 miles across the water, and being terrified, because of the ground shaking. This was maybe 1964. I did NOT understand why the ground was shaking.
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cliffster Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:11:39pm |
re: #497 austin_blue
Yeah, probably oughtta mention mercury…
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:13:34pm |
[Link: www.mayoclinic.com…]
There are things that adults can handle that shouldn’t be taken or eaten during pregnancy.
Mayo clinic quote:
During pregnancy, changes in your metabolism and circulation may increase the risk of bacterial food poisoning. Your reaction may be more severe than if you weren’t pregnant. Rarely, your baby may get sick, too.
And, of course, get plenty of rest, which I am going to do right now, or I won’t get over this cold.
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Jadespring Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:16:37pm |
re: #498 jaunte
I have some friends whose son went through a similar whitefood phase for a couple of years (age 6-8).
Yeah for kids it’s not uncommon to go through phases like that. For about a year my nephew wouldn’t eat anything with seeds in it or that was a seed. It was something about not wanting to kill or eat the plant that was inside the seed. For a while the only veggies he would eat were potatoes and corn. It drove my sister crazy especially when we teased her about telling him that corn and potatoes were seeds. She lived in fear that he would see something on tv about them. :)
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:17:37pm |
re: #503 EmmmieG
Nominates EmmieG as SFZ’s pregnancy counsellor.
Should SFZ get pregnant.
Pay as she goes, ladies!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Feb 7, 2010 10:36:56pm |
re: #492 EmmmieG
If you are serious about pregnancy, you need to read up on foods and gestation. Undercooked seafood is on the list to avoid. (Of course, I dislike seafood, so it didn’t matter to me.)
Took a midwifery class some years ago, still have all the books and notes. Sushi will be right out, alas. Except for avocado maki. I can still have my avocado maki, right?
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Varek Raith Mon, Feb 8, 2010 3:50:00am |
re: #15 Varek Raith
Lol, oops, watched only the first minute or so…
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