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If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done in the library?

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1 freetoken  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:17:31pm
2 Irish Rose  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:20:12pm

I love the smell of a shiny, brand new, troll-free thread.

3 ryannon  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:22:32pm

re: #2 Irish Rose

I love the smell of a shiny, brand new, troll-free thread.

Troll dog whistle.

4 Irish Rose  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:24:27pm

For the love of God, please don't.
Let the fuckers sleep.

5 ryannon  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:26:13pm

re: #4 Irish Rose

How's the view from Lake Shore Drive? Is the lake all iced up to the horizon? I'm seeming to remember that you're in Chicago, right on the lake...

6 ryannon  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:30:25pm

I have childhood memories of Arctic landscapes over Lake Michigan, with huge blocks of ice stretching endlessly out. The whole thing frozen solid - until the thaw and the city covered in fog with just the foghorns punctuating the silence...

7 ryannon  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:31:51pm

If can just work a 'fuck you' into all of this, the tread should take off...

8 Irish Rose  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:32:08pm

re: #5 ryannon

Nope, not in Chicago... I'm in Michigan.

But I do live within walking distance of the beach, and I'm down there every day. The lake isn't iced up to the horizon, but we do have quite a bit of ice built up along the shoreline.

The Great Lakes are a majestic sight in the winter time, no doubt about it.

9 simoom  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:32:52pm

Rahm apologizes to the Progressive Democratic Caucus and Sarah Palin:
[Link: www.hulu.com...] (Saturday Night Live)

10 ryannon  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:36:42pm

re: #8 Irish Rose

Ah, mixed you up with one of the other Lizards. Michigan was like another country to me when I was growing up in Chicago. First South Bend and the big steel mills and then the old lakeside resorts. And way out East, Ann Arbor. And even further, Detroit. I never quite understood Michigan.

11 irish rose  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:41:22pm

Don't feel bad, I've lived in Michigan all of my adult life and I don't understand it here either.

12 Expand Your Ground  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:41:45pm

If you want to ponder the connection between Beatury and Truth, just look as Sarah Palin...

13 albusteve  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:44:59pm

re: #10 ryannon

Ah, mixed you up with one of the other Lizards. Michigan was like another country to me when I was growing up in Chicago. First South Bend and the big steel mills and then the old lakeside resorts. And way out East, Ann Arbor. And even further, Detroit. I never quite understood Michigan.

what's to understand?...it's another state, you need to get out more I think

14 albusteve  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:45:55pm

re: #11 irish rose

Don't feel bad, I've lived in Michigan all of my adult life and I don't understand it here either.

what about MI is confusing?

15 ryannon  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:46:48pm

re: #13 albusteve

what's to understand?...it's another state, you need to get out more I think

You're right. Go to a nice party with plenty of beer and a lot of crazy dudes...

16 albusteve  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:48:32pm

re: #15 ryannon

You're right. Go to a nice party with plenty of beer and a lot of crazy dudes...


[Video]

you are not making any sense

17 ryannon  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:50:35pm

re: #16 albusteve

you are not making any sense

And YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION

18 albusteve  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:51:17pm

re: #17 ryannon

And YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION

to what?

19 Irish Rose  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:52:27pm

re: #14 albusteve

what about MI is confusing?

Where do I even start?
The transition from automobile manufacturing to film-making, perhaps?

20 ryannon  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:53:27pm

re: #18 albusteve

to what?

The Life of the Mind.

21 Irish Rose  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:54:24pm

So ryannon... helluva kegger tonight eh? ;)
How bout them Saints!

22 imploder  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:55:12pm

have you ever thought about the term, "groupthink?"

23 albusteve  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:55:18pm

re: #19 Irish Rose

Where do I even start?
The transition from automobile manufacturing to film-making, perhaps?

I dunno...you said you "don't understand it here"...don't understand what?...some sort of inside sekrit?

24 albusteve  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:56:56pm

re: #20 ryannon

The Life of the Mind.


[Video]

I don't open your vids...if you cannot figure out MI just say why in your own words, rather than make your case with videos

25 ryannon  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:57:16pm

re: #21 Irish Rose

So ryannon... helluva kegger tonight eh? ;)
How bout them Saints!

I'm happy for New Orleans. Other than that, I could give a poo.

26 ryannon  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:57:46pm

PIMF: couldn't

27 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Feb 7, 2010 11:58:22pm

The government is closed today. I spent a couple of hours yesterday shoveling snow so I could get to work on Monday, and now I have a day off. A day off I have to use my vacation time to take off.

And I found out yesterday that I owe the government over $700 in taxes. Stupid government!

28 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:01:47am

re: #27 Mad Al-Jaffee

The government is closed today. I spent a couple of hours yesterday shoveling snow so I could get to work on Monday, and now I have a day off. A day off I have to use my vacation time to take off.

And I found out yesterday that I owe the government over $700 in taxes. Stupid government!

be thankful it wasn't even more...pay up comrade

29 Irish Rose  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:01:56am

The cold meds are finally kicking in, and it's time for sleep.
Goodnight all.

30 imploder  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:02:01am

re: #27 Mad Al-Jaffee

The government is closed today. I spent a couple of hours yesterday shoveling snow so I could get to work on Monday, and now I have a day off. A day off I have to use my vacation time to take off.

And I found out yesterday that I owe the government over $700 in taxes. Stupid government!

hahaha no. You owe the government much more that $700 dollars in taxes. There were probably many thousands of dollars in tax money that were withheld from your pay over the last year.

The $700 you owe is on top of what you have already paid. Am I right?

31 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:03:28am

re: #30 imploder

hahaha no. You owe the government much more that $700 dollars in taxes. There were probably many thousands of dollars in tax money that were withheld from your pay over the last year.

The $700 you owe is on top of what you have already paid. Am I right?

yes, you are right...geaux feds!

32 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:05:12am

re: #30 imploder

hahaha no. You owe the government much more that $700 dollars in taxes. There were probably many thousands of dollars in tax money that were withheld from your pay over the last year.

The $700 you owe is on top of what you have already paid. Am I right?

I usually get a refund from what they take from my paycheck. Don't know what happened this year. I haven't factored in all of my music expenses and earnings (this will be the first time I'll do that, if I decide to declare it), so that may change things.

33 imploder  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:07:36am

re: #31 albusteve

yes, you are right...geaux feds!

hahah I think it's pretty funny, because I am in the process of being hired as a a criminal investigator ftor the IRS (federal agent).

But, I have paid my taxes. That's for sure.

If you want to be a federal agent for the IRS nowadays it is simple. Have a graduate's degree in business, accounting or finance, and be fluent in a second language.

I shit you not.

34 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:08:46am

re: #33 imploder

I'm a federal contactor, for Homeland Security.

35 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:09:50am

re: #24 albusteve

I don't open your vids...if you cannot figure out MI just say why in your own words, rather than make your case with videos

Michigan is more than forty years back in my life. I have no case to make about it, other than not really having a feeling for it more than forty years ago. I have a great feeling for parts of California, Indonesia and France. So what? I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone - unless they see the self-evidence of my apparently disconnected and image-based thought-processes. I'm being as honest as I can here and not looking for trouble. But if it's trouble you're looking for, I guess we could turn this thread into another piece of trash-talking waste of time.

36 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:09:56am

re: #33 imploder

hahah I think it's pretty funny, because I am in the process of being hired as a a criminal investigator ftor the IRS (federal agent).

But, I have paid my taxes. That's for sure.

If you want to be a federal agent for the IRS nowadays it is simple. Have a graduate's degree in business, accounting or finance, and be fluent in a second language.

I shit you not.

I've finally turned the tables...the feds pay me!...bwahahaha!

37 imploder  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:10:37am

re: #36 albusteve

I've finally turned the tables...the feds pay me!...bwahahaha!

Good show!

38 imploder  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:12:31am

the Feds also pay me, I'm a military retiree

39 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:15:54am

re: #35 ryannon

Michigan is more than forty years back in my life. I have no case to make about it, other than not really having a feeling for it more than forty years ago. I have a great feeling for parts of California, Indonesia and France. So what? I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone - unless they see the self-evidence of my apparently disconnected and image-based thought-processes. I'm being as honest as I can here and not looking for trouble. But if it's trouble you're looking for, I guess we could turn this thread into another piece of trash-talking waste of time.

you said you "never quite understood MI"...when I asked what you meant you posted some videos...like that is supposed to answer a simple question?...what are you talking about?..what don't you understand?

40 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:17:24am

re: #38 imploder

the Feds also pay me, I'm a military retiree

yup...you need to take back what is yours, and thanks for your service

41 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:28:40am

some Hiatt for a dead thread

42 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:32:03am

re: #39 albusteve

you said you "never quite understood MI"...when I asked what you meant you posted some videos...like that is supposed to answer a simple question?...what are you talking about?..what don't you understand?

Is that you, Walter?

Ok - just this once, and then we both go on to greener pastures, or whatever.

"Not understanding" Michigan was the best way I could think of for saying that I never had a sense of place or purpose for the geographical entity known at the State of Michigan. This feeling was echoed by Ms. Rose, who actually lives there, and whose opinion you also felt needed explanation. My conclusion is that having staked out diametrically opposed styles of discourse and communication, we're not going to learn a whole lot from each other. I'll pass over your statement that you don't watch the videos I post - other than to say that it's not much different from saying I don't really read the sentences you post. But since I do read the sentences you write and you don't apparently look at the videos I post - which I feel are essential to my way of communicating - let's just drop what's turning into a dead-end conversation. Life is too short, as you well know, and whatever the hell I think about Michigan has little or no importance. The videos do, but they don't interest you. As the Cowboy in Mulholland Drive said, you're eager to get down to it. The problem is, for some people, there's absolutely nothing to get down to with me. I'll just keep sliding out of your hands, spinning words and images and progressively making you even more irritated. Write me off as a fool and an empty windbag and move on. I've nothing to show you. I wish I could, but it looks like I can't.

43 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:40:49am

re: #42 ryannon

Is that you, Walter?

Ok - just this once, and then we both go on to greener pastures, or whatever.

"Not understanding" Michigan was the best way I could think of for saying that I never had a sense of place or purpose for the geographical entity known at the State of Michigan. This feeling was echoed by Ms. Rose, who actually lives there, and whose opinion you also felt needed explanation. My conclusion is that having staked out diametrically opposed styles of discourse and communication, we're not going to learn a whole lot from each other. I'll pass over your statement that you don't watch the videos I post - other than to say that it's not much different from saying I don't really read the sentences you post. But since I do read the sentences you write and you don't apparently look at the videos I post - which I feel are essential to my way of communicating - let's just drop what's turning into a dead-end conversation. Life is too short, as you well know, and whatever the hell I think about Michigan has little or no importance. The videos do, but they don't interest you. As the Cowboy in Mulholland Drive said, you're eager to get down to it. The problem is, for some people, there's absolutely nothing to get down to with me. I'll just keep sliding out of your hands, spinning words and images and progressively making you even more irritated. Write me off as a fool and an empty windbag and move on. I've nothing to show you. I wish I could, but it looks like I can't.

what a windy bunch of bullshit...you made a statement that made little sense and now you make some monumental effort to explain it with a lot of fancy sounding tripe...I was born and raised in MI and still don't know wtf you are talking about...

44 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:50:23am

one last time for the feeble minded dead threaders...

45 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:52:14am

re: #43 albusteve

what a windy bunch of bullshit...you made a statement that made little sense and now you make some monumental effort to explain it with a lot of fancy sounding tripe...I was born and raised in MI and still don't know wtf you are talking about...

What I'm saying is that I think that Michigan sucks. Just like some people.

What part of that don't you get?

46 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 1:01:34am

re: #45 ryannon

What I'm saying is that I think that Michigan sucks. Just like some people.

What part of that don't you get?

peel away all your tripe...and I do get it...you might have just said so to begin with...what's with all the rhetoric and blather?...so why don't you like MI?...did MI harm you in some way?...MI sucks!...Rhode Island sucks!...haha!, good one...maybe your problem with MI is you, ever consider that?

47 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 1:04:41am

what a stupid conversation...I guess I'll punch out...and ryannon, get a grip...see you around

48 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 1:05:28am

re: #46 albusteve

peel away all your tripe...and I do get it...you might have just said so to begin with...what's with all the rhetoric and blather?...so why don't you like MI?...did MI harm you in some way?...MI sucks!...Rhode Island sucks!...haha!, good one...maybe your problem with MI is you, ever consider that?

All the time.

But I'm glad that you're so good with yourself. And that you never blather.

49 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 1:07:43am

and...and...

yawn.

50 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 1:28:13am
51 freetoken  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 1:29:35am

In honor of the Superbowl winners:

52 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 1:45:52am

at least one thing from Michigan rocks:

53 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 3:47:43am

Good morning, LGF!

...another 5 to 10" of snow tomorrow night, lol.
Forget shoveling, I'm gonna use a flame thrower.
:)

54 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 4:09:04am

re: #53 Varek Raith

Good morning, LGF!

...another 5 to 10" of snow tomorrow night, lol.
Forget shoveling, I'm gonna use a flame thrower.
:)

That's the way to think.

55 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 4:12:03am

The more the merrier!

India again successfully test-fired a nuclear-capable missile Sunday that can hit targets across much of Asia and the Middle East, a defense ministry press release said.

It was the fourth test of the Agni III missile, the statement added. The first attempt in 2006 failed, but the last two tests were successful.

"The Agni III missile tested for the full range, hit the target with pinpoint accuracy and met all the mission objectives," the press release added.

India's current arsenal of missiles is largely intended for confronting archrival Pakistan. The Agni III, in contrast, is India's longest-range missile, designed to reach 3,000 kilometers (1,900 miles) — putting China's major cities well into range, as well as Middle Eastern targets.

SNIP

57 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 4:32:47am

Police in central China have shut down a hacker training operation that openly recruited thousands of members online and provided them with cyberattack lessons and malicious software, state media said Monday.

The crackdown comes amid growing concern that China is a center for Internet crime and industrial espionage. Search giant Google said last month its e-mail accounts were hacked from China in an assault that also hit at least 20 other companies.

Police in Hubei province arrested three people suspected of running the hacker site known as the Black Hawk Safety Net that disseminated Web site hacking techniques and Trojan software, the China Daily newspaper said. Trojans, which can allow outside access to a computer when implanted, are used by hackers to illegally control computers. The report did not say exactly when the arrests took place.

Black Hawk Safety Net recruited more than 12,000 paying subscribers and collected more than 7 million yuan ($1 million) in membership fees, while another 170,000 people had signed up for free membership, the paper said.

SNIP

59 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 4:44:26am

Light snow, about an inch here... leaving early, roads a bit snow packed in the hills here, radio says down hill city streets not too bad, but another inch is coming in right now on the north side of Denver, my girlfriend is riding with me, taking her to work too, why have two cars on the road this morning?

So, I'll be a good hours and a half for what normally is about a 28 minute drive.

I like winter, when I was 18... not so much now.

60 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 4:46:35am

If I wanted to be nagged, I'd have voted for my mom for president.

For a president who ran on uplifting themes like change and hope, Barack Obama spends an awful lot of time scolding Americans about how he hopes they’ll change.


He’s advised parents to “replace that video game with a book and make sure that homework gets done.” He’s urged members of Congress not to read blogs or watch 24-hour cable news. And he’s challenged lobbyists, lawmakers, bankers, journalists, insurance companies and other heads of state to do a better job.


He’s prodded people to get off the couch, eat healthier and exercise more. He’s even suggested Americans buy stocks, U.S.-made cars and energy-efficient light bulbs, while cautioning them not to max out their credit cards.


At times, having Obama in the Oval Office is like having a really powerful Dr. Phil around.


But lately Obama’s tsk-tsking has gotten him into some trouble. At the very moment he’s trying to recover his declining popularity and revive his party heading into the November elections, even some in his party worry that he risks coming off not as the inspirational figure who galvanized the electorate in 2008 but as the embodiment of a dour Democrat that turns off some voters.

SNIP

61 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 4:47:00am

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Light snow, about an inch here... leaving early, roads a bit snow packed in the hills here, radio says down hill city streets not too bad, but another inch is coming in right now on the north side of Denver, my girlfriend is riding with me, taking her to work too, why have two cars on the road this morning?

So, I'll be a good hours and a half for what normally is about a 28 minute drive.

I like winter, when I was 18... not so much now.

Take care!

62 SteveC  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 4:54:15am

re: #60 MandyManners

If I wanted to be nagged, I'd have voted for my mom for president.

Yes, I understand that he is the President. But I do not own either a donkey, or a saddle. So I wish he would stop trying to ride my ass!

63 SteveC  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 4:56:40am

Oh, and leave my pet Billy alone, Mr. President... you're just one in a long line of people trying to get my goat!

64 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 4:57:05am

Can a foreign correspondent cover the Israeli-Palestinian conflict if his son is an IDF soldier?

The New York Times, in an opinion column on Saturday, answered “Yes” to that question when its executive editor Bill Keller defended the paper’s Jerusalem bureau chief Ethan Bronner, whose son is in the Israeli army.

Bronner, an American Jew, has been posted here for the Times since March 2008, after serving as the paper’s deputy foreign editor for four years.

The possibility of a conflict of interest regarding his reporting was first raised a few weeks ago by a pro-Palestinian Web site, The Electronic Intifadah.

But many reporters and media critics were unaware of the controversy when contacted by The Jerusalem Post, although some did know that Bronner had a son in the IDF.

The issue is a sensitive one for English-language reporters in Israel, many of whom have ties to the country that they fear to highlight, lest they find their objectivity questioned, as Bronner’s has been.

“It is a very difficult subject,” Foreign Press Association president Conny Mus said. “It is fully in the hands of his newspaper to judge his ability.”

Government Press Office director Danny Seaman said this issue of bias comes up only regarding Jewish reporters.

For Seaman, the entire matter is not an ethical debate about bias and objectivity, but rather a smear campaign against Bronner.

“Why is he suddenly under attack when all the major media outlets such as AP, Reuters, the BBC and even The New York Times employ Palestinian reporters?” he asked.

SNIP

65 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 4:57:47am

re: #62 SteveC

Yes, I understand that he is the President. But I do not own either a donkey, or a saddle. So I wish he would stop trying to ride my ass!

You're in fine form this morning, Steve.

66 irish rose  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:00:00am

Alcohol and LGF, never a good mix.

67 SteveC  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:00:22am

re: #65 MandyManners

You're in fine form this morning, Steve.

Shaping up to be a good day, Mandy! Hopefully you can say the same!

68 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:00:43am

Saudi women’s rights advocates are outraged after a 12-year-old girl was sold by her father into marriage with an 80-year-old man.

A Saudi father, whose name has not been released, sold his 12-year-old daughter to his 80-year old cousin for the equivalent of $22,600. The elderly man, who lives in the city of Buraidah, stands accused of raping the girl after the wedding. He has previously married three other young girls.

“She was raped and they took her to the hospital after the wedding night,” Wajiha Al-Huwaidar, a Saudi journalist who has been banned from reporting by the government told The Media Line. “Usually when the girl is very young, the authorities tell the husband not to touch her until after puberty. When he was interviewed, the guy just said she was old enough and he didn’t know she would get hurt.”

The girl, already in the custody of the elderly man, was reported to have shouted “I don’t want him, save me!” when contacted by phone by a journalist from the Al Riyadh, a local newspaper in the Saudi capital.

The girl’s mother, who had objected strongly to the marriage, took the case to local media after her lawyer’s efforts to get it legally annulled failed.

After the case was publicized, the public prosecutor of Al-Qassim Province is said to have set up a special committee to look into the case.

“They say they’re going to look into it but nothing will really happen,” Eman Al Nafjan, a Saudi blogger and women’s rights advocate told The Media Line. “Even if they solve this case, they are not going to recommend a new law to the king. We should set a legal minimum age at which girls can be married.”

“Without a law we get people like this 80 year old guy who takes advantage of the system to fulfill his sick obsession with little girls,” she wrote on her blog. “Where else in the world can a man openly say that he is in a polygamous marriage with four underage girls and not get arrested? At this rate we might as well start a tourism industry to attract rich Muslim pedophiles.”

The girl’s parents are divorced and the marriage is understood to have been arranged on the initiative of the father, who told the local newspaper that he did so on the basis of the girl’s physical development, not her age.

How did he know about her "physical development"?

69 irish rose  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:01:01am

Mandy, do me a favor and email me would you?

70 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:01:22am

re: #66 irish rose

Alcohol and LGF, never a good mix.

Link?

*snicker*

Good morning, Irish Rose!

71 SteveC  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:01:32am

re: #66 irish rose

Alcohol and LGF, never a good mix.

The last time we were both here at the same time, you weren't feeling well. I hope you are better!

72 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:01:49am

re: #67 SteveC

Shaping up to be a good day, Mandy! Hopefully you can say the same!

The Kid has the sniffles so he's staying home.

73 irish rose  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:03:54am

re: #68 MandyManners

Gag.

74 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:04:26am

re: #69 irish rose

My ISP cannot e-mail other Lizards through their nics.

75 irish rose  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:05:02am

re: #71 SteveC

Thanks, garden variety cold.

76 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:05:56am

re: #73 irish rose

Gag.

“Usually when the girl is very young, the authorities tell the husband not to touch her until after puberty. When he was interviewed, the guy just said she was old enough and he didn’t know she would get hurt.”

I reckon dear, old dad told the pervert that she was old enough.

77 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:06:46am

re: #64 MandyManners

Can a foreign correspondent cover the Israeli-Palestinian conflict if his son is an IDF soldier?
SNIP

Luckily, there's always Charles Enderlin to set the standard for objective reporting.

78 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:09:43am

re: #69 irish rose

Is it about the stew recipe that didn't make the cookbook? Reine has it.

79 irish rose  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:10:45am

That's OK, Mandy.

I want to mention here this morning that I probably won't be posting here at LGF any more.

It's important to me to be able to say goodbye to my friends though, so I'm logging in one more time to do so.

80 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:11:00am

re: #77 ryannon

Luckily, there's always Charles Enderlin to set the standard for objective reporting.

Who he?

81 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:12:52am

re: #79 irish rose

I hope the key word is "probably". Please?

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:13:15am

re: #79 irish rose

Ah, dang it Rose?!?

purrr.

83 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:13:55am

re: #79 irish rose

Best of life and luck to you, Irish Rose.

84 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:14:48am

re: #83 Taqyia2Me

And please don't be afraid to reconsider.

85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:14:56am

Mornin' y'all!

86 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:15:49am

re: #79 irish rose

No matter how busy life gets, you can find time to post!

87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:16:07am

re: #79 irish rose

Love ya, Rose. At least I know you won't be going to the bad places.

88 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:16:16am

re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mornin' y'all!

Still snowing? Isn't another on the way?

89 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:16:36am

Good morning all. Happy snow day from the wild north country, where we're in the throes of a minor blizzard. ("minor" meaning that it's 10 inches over a couple of days, rather than 10 inches overnight) How is everyone?

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:20:12am

re: #88 MandyManners

No. Yes.

Actually, I'm kinda enjoying it.

House is a flipping wreck though.

91 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:21:02am

Morning folks, brutally cold with more snow coming. Perfect way to celebrate the colts loss. I'm still sad.//

92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:21:40am

re: #79 irish rose

Another mean blogger somewhere just got his/her wings...

93 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:22:14am

re: #91 RogueOne

Morning folks, brutally cold with more snow coming. Perfect way to celebrate the colts loss. I'm still sad.//

I imagine everyone in the office this morning is looking forward to rubbing it in. Thing is, I kinda like the Saints anyway.

94 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:23:01am

State and federal investigators were expected to launch an investigation Monday at a power plant where an explosion killed at least five people and injured more than two dozen, authorities said.

Search-and-rescue teams had scoured most of the blast site by about 2:30 a.m. ET Monday, according to Deputy Fire Marshal Al Santostefano. One small portion was deemed unsafe to enter, he said.

Sunday's blast took place at the under-construction Kleen Power Plant, while plant workers purged a natural gas pipeline, Middletown Mayor Sebastian Giuliano said.

Kleen Energy Systems said on its Web site that the plan is gas-fired but can use other fuels. It was expected to produce 620 megawatts of power and would be one of the largest power plants in New England.

SNIP

95 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:23:03am

re: #93 thedopefishlives

I can take a little solace in a Brees win. He's a good man and honorary hoosier.

96 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:23:35am

re: #80 MandyManners

Who he?

I don't trust myself to use my own words, so allow me to link to those of others. Remember Mohammed Al Durah? Enderlin is the French journalist whose biased reporting and outright lies helped create the Second Infitada:

[Link: www.theaugeanstables.com...]

97 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:24:16am

re: #96 ryannon

I don't trust myself to use my own words, so allow me to link to those of others. Remember Mohammed Al Durah? Enderlin is the French journalist whose biased reporting and outright lies helped create the Second Infitada:

[Link: www.theaugeanstables.com...]

Oh, now I remember. Asshole.

98 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:24:20am

re: #95 RogueOne

I can take a little solace in a Brees win. He's a good man and honorary hoosier.

Exactly. I always liked him, even as far back as his days at Purdue. The family joke is that he learned how to run and take a hit when he quarterbacked for them.

99 irish rose  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:24:22am

Mandy, I'll say it plainly: Iceweasel, Jimmah and a handful of others are destroying the climate here at LGF with their relentless bullying and behind-the-scenes targeting of people that they don't like.

Also, there were some outrageous lies told about "Defenseman" on yesterdays' morning open that were really the tipping point for me. I know the person who runs that blog, he's a decent caring person and would never do what he has been accused of. I expressed my outrage at the end of the thread and was given the usual response from our two resident bullies.

I'm just not down with this kind of thing, it's not what I come to LGF for.

100 irish rose  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:25:16am

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Love ya, Rose. At least I know you won't be going to the bad places.

Hell no.

101 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:26:55am

heh...

Someone posted this last night, 'ceptin language was Spanish...

102 SteveC  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:29:51am

re: #77 ryannon

Luckily, there's always Charles Enderlin to set the standard for objective reporting.

re: #80 MandyManners

Who he?

Who Dat?

OK, that's my one Super-Duper Bowl joke. Carry on!

103 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:31:06am

re: #99 irish rose


I'm just not down with this kind of thing, it's not what I come to LGF for.

*hugs*

To be honest, I can't really blame you. I usually wind up stepping out - for an hour, a day, a weekend - when things start getting nasty in here. I do hope you can find a way to stay.

104 SteveC  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:31:15am

Drink up, it's good for you!

A new study suggests that beer is a significant source of dietary silicon, a key ingredient for increasing bone mineral density.

105 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:31:19am

re: #99 irish rose

They're not the only Lizards!

106 Ericus58  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:31:37am

re: #99 irish rose

As I was reading some of the comments posted yesterday and the vulgar tone directed at Palin, as well as the sniping at other posters here at LGF - I logged off and didn't come back until today.

I find it quite remarkable at the language and vitriol used by those who pass themselves off as "Inclusive", "Progressive", "Educated"...
What a bunch of crock.

You want to impress me with your intelligence and persuade me with our discussion points? Then be Mature.

Progs...

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:34:55am

re: #106 Ericus58

I just don't understand how people hate her so.

Some people have a natural tendency to hate those they disagree with.

108 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:36:16am

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I just don't understand how people hate her so.

Some people have a natural tendency to hate those they disagree with.

Well, she is a bit of a nutjob, and the general climate here at LGF is to ruthlessly poke fun of such nutjobs. I do know that there's a bit of a cult following in the vein of deep-seated hatred for her, though. Which is quite different, and a bit disturbing.

109 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:36:19am

"I would like to give up my son again," says Anchello Cantave, a farmer here, who willingly handed over his five-year-old to US missionaries now facing charges of child abduction in Haiti's post-quake chaos.

An hour outside of the devastated Haitian capital Port-au-Prince, Callebasse is a poor town set in the mountains, where a massive 7.0-magnitude earthquake on January 12 destroyed 50 homes.

Just two days later, 10 American missionaries from the US state of Idaho arrived in town.

To impoverished parents desperate to give their children a better future, they offered the promise of something more -- but they also represented the children as orphans when they tried to take them across the border to the Dominican Republic.

Cantave, 36, is convinced that the Americans had only good intentions.

"It's better for our children to stay with strangers in a foreign country," he told AFP.

SNIP

Remember the article/link I posted yesterday about Haitian poor parents who send their kids to rich relatives or non-relatives? In light of that, this might have been the best thing that those parents could think of doing.

110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:36:44am

One thing's for damn sure, I get to see enough of the new fights without going looking for old ones.

Charles doesn't seem to mind the new tone, and it is his blog. So? Eh.

111 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:38:03am

re: #109 MandyManners

I read that this morning. From what I understand it's pretty common for a lot of the kids in Haitian orphanages to have living parents. What a mess.

112 Irish Rose  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:40:38am

re: #105 MandyManners

They're not the only Lizards!

I know that, Mandy.

I love LGF, and I love many of the friends that I've made here over the years.
I'll be back if the climate changes and the targeting and trashing of good people ceases.

Until then, no.

113 SteveC  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:41:11am

Keep an eye on this -

Official sources reported today that Cali city authorities have declared a sanitary emergency due to the deaths of an adult and four children from hemorrhagic dengue so far this year.

114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:42:07am

re: #111 RogueOne

A sad, terrible place. Wish I could help, but that place will be getting the lion's share of attention and help over the next many years.

In the mean time, we have Native Americans stuck in blizzards in North Dakota in horrific conditions. Hungry children in housing projects in our cities...

A celebrity going to step over a sick, homeless person on their way to a fundraiser for Haiti.

I am going to find something I can do here.

(New Orleans has too many 'distractions')

115 Irish Rose  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:42:42am

re: #108 thedopefishlives

Well, she is a bit of a nutjob, and the general climate here at LGF is to ruthlessly poke fun of such nutjobs. I do know that there's a bit of a cult following in the vein of deep-seated hatred for her, though. Which is quite different, and a bit disturbing.

I agree. I dislike and distrust Palin for her politics, but I don't have a deep-seated hatred for her like some here.

116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:44:23am

re: #115 Irish Rose

Email Charles, ask him to delete your "leaving" comments, explain to him (which is only fair, anyway) and come back to us sometime.

See ya later, tater.

117 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:45:13am

re: #111 RogueOne

I read that this morning. From what I understand it's pretty common for a lot of the kids in Haitian orphanages to have living parents. What a mess.

Unfortunately, as the article I posted yesterday shows, not all situations in which the kids don't live in orphanages but with private families turn out to be good.

118 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:46:23am

re: #112 Irish Rose

I've grown my GAZE muscle a lot lately.

119 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:47:31am

re: #115 Irish Rose

I wonder if some of that might be because she's pretty.

120 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:47:40am

To be fair Ice, Jimmah and LVQ give as good as they get. I've seen, on multiple occasions, other posters target and intentionally goad these three. They are not the only ones at fault, here.

121 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:49:11am

re: #120 Varek Raith

And others. And agreed.

Civility, folks. Civility.

122 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:49:23am

re: #120 Varek Raith

Asking LVQ why the personal attack earns me a "fuck you, bitch"?

123 Irish Rose  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:50:22am

As I'm not really interested in participating in a fight here this morning once the climate turns, I leave you all with a very fond farewell.

I'll keep my profile up, dear friends... please feel free to email me any time.

124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:50:29am

re: #122 MandyManners

Some things from a lot of people have been waaay over the top, that's fer sher.

125 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:51:01am

re: #120 Varek Raith

Realistically speaking, we should all be on the same side, against the idiotarians that seem to be becoming ever more prevalent in American politics, and already pervade the global stage. I've never been one to stomach infighting, no matter who starts it.

126 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:51:15am

re: #122 MandyManners

Asking LVQ why the personal attack earns me a "fuck you, bitch"?

Beats me. Like I said, they're not the only ones who are nasty on occasion.

127 Irish Rose  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:51:19am

re: #120 Varek Raith

No, they're not.

128 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:51:48am

re: #119 MandyManners

I wonder if some of that might be because she's pretty.

That's probably some of it, Mandy, but there's a lot of guys that hate her too. Although as my wife points out, a lot of THAT is sexism.

129 SteveC  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:52:33am

Drop what you are doing and feel the brill- uh the bull-... oh, whatever. Jenny McCarthy speaks!

Dr. Andrew Wakefield is being discredited to prevent an historic study from being published that for the first time looks at vaccinated versus unvaccinated primates and compares health outcomes, with potentially devastating consequences for vaccine makers and public health officials.

130 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:53:08am

Iran's Press TV also has noticed Palin's words.

US conservative darling Sarah Palin says she thinks President Barack Obama should declare war on Iran.

The one-time Republican vice presidential candidate said in an interview with Fox News that Obama should play the war card if he wants to get re-elected in 2012.

"Say he decided to declare war on Iran or decided really to come out and do whatever he could to support Israel, which I would like him to do," she said on Sunday.

The military attack "changes the dynamics in what we can assume is going to happen between now and three years," Palin added.

SNIP

131 Ericus58  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:53:22am

re: #123 Irish Rose

As I'm not really interested in participating in a fight here this morning once the climate turns, I leave you all with a very fond farewell.

I'll keep my profile up, dear friends... please feel free to email me any time.

I feel we will be a little less here now... very sorry to see you take a different path for now, but do look forward to hearing and reading from you again. Be Well.

132 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:54:12am

re: #128 thedopefishlives

That's probably some of it, Mandy, but there's a lot of guys that hate her too. Although as my wife points out, a lot of THAT is sexism.

I wasn't talking about women exclusively. Some guys hate pretty women.

133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:55:13am

re: #132 MandyManners

Some guys hate pretty women.

I don't.

(*blink*)

134 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 5:55:40am

re: #132 MandyManners

I wasn't talking about women exclusively. Some guys hate pretty women.

I suppose it's true, but to be honest, I've never really seen it. Even the guys I know who have been repeatedly used and abused by pretty girls still turn into puddles of semi-masculine goo if a sweet-looking lady looks at them the right way. Although resentment for a woman whom they perceive has used her looks to unfair advantage is a possibility.

135 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:01:45am

Another pal of Putin is winning.

The battle for the presidency of Ukraine continued to hang in the balance today as Viktor Yanukovych edged closer to victory and his bitter rival Yuliya Tymoshenko refused to concede defeat.

Mr Yanukovych’s lead over Ms Tymoshenko shrank to 2.4 percentage points this morning with 96 per cent of votes counted. Support for him was 48.39 per cent compared to 46 per cent for Ms Tymoshenko.

An official at the Central Election Commission (CEC) in Kiev predicted that Mr Yanukovych would remain the winner because the votes still to be counted came from his strongholds in the south and east. Analysts said that the narrowness of the victory would encourage Ms Tymoshenko to challenge the result.

SNIP

136 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:02:53am

re: #119 MandyManners

I wonder if some of that might be because she's pretty.

Not so far-fetched. Sigh.

I saw the exact same thing happen to the unique woman candidate in the last French presidential elections. Politically and intellectually, Segolene Royal is the opposite of a Sarah Palin, but curiously the same shit started raining down. At first, I attributed it to deep-seated Latin misogyny, but the hate was so strong that there had to be even more - and even more inavowable reasons. She did manage to run a relatively close second to Sarkozy, which given the campaign of disinformation that had been mounted against her, was nothing short of miraculous.

137 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:04:19am

re: #134 thedopefishlives

I suppose it's true, but to be honest, I've never really seen it. Even the guys I know who have been repeatedly used and abused by pretty girls still turn into puddles of semi-masculine goo if a sweet-looking lady looks at them the right way. Although resentment for a woman whom they perceive has used her looks to unfair advantage is a possibility.

Your friends are not misogynists. Some see pretty women as goddesses to put on pedestals and/or as notches to put on their bed-posts. Some see them as so unobtainalbe that they go out of their way to trash them. This attitude is particularly telling when things like blow-up dolls are mentioned.

138 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:05:15am

re: #136 ryannon

Not so far-fetched. Sigh.

I saw the exact same thing happen to the unique woman candidate in the last French presidential elections. Politically and intellectually, Segolene Royal is the opposite of a Sarah Palin, but curiously the same shit started raining down. At first, I attributed it to deep-seated Latin misogyny, but the hate was so strong that there had to be even more - and even more inavowable reasons. She did manage to run a relatively close second to Sarkozy, which given the campaign of disinformation that had been mounted against her, was nothing short of miraculous.

Oh, I remember that. See my No. 137 for another possible take.

139 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:05:33am

re: #137 MandyManners

Granted. And as I mentioned upthread, a lot of male hatred for her is sexist. I don't know if "hatred" is even the right term, but whatever it is, isn't good.

140 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:07:56am

Chinchilla, formerly Arias' vice president, has vowed to continue his pro-business policies in the Central American nation, expanding free trade pacts and courting investment.

The center-leftist won 47 percent of the vote, around double the scores of her two closest rivals, who quickly conceded defeat. She will join a small camp of women leaders in typically male-dominated Latin America that currently includes Chile's Michelle Bachelet and Argentina's Cristina Fernandez.

"I am thankful for the good work of the outgoing government and thankful our country is again moving forward and refuses to allow this advance to stop," Chinchilla said after declaring victory to cheers from her supporters.

Famed for its political stability in a turbulent region, Costa Rica is an economic success story in Central America, with an economy based around tourism, manufactured products like microchips, and exports of coffee, pineapples and bananas.

SNIP

141 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:07:57am

re: #136 ryannon

Oh, you chauvinist Westerners. My country may be one of those 'poor, backwater paradises,' but we've already had not one, but two female Presidents!

/ah, the joys of rubbing it in. q;

142 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:09:10am

re: #139 thedopefishlives

Granted. And as I mentioned upthread, a lot of male hatred for her is sexist. I don't know if "hatred" is even the right term, but whatever it is, isn't good.

That's the definition of "misogyny".

143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:10:57am

I have to go out of town, and I have a house that looks like people (I wonder who?) have done nothing but sit in place and look out the window at the snow and eat.

Gotta, just gotta do some cleaning...

144 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:12:55am

re: #141 laZardo

Oh, you chauvinist Westerners. My country may be one of those 'poor, backwater paradises,' but we've already had not one, but two female Presidents!

/ah, the joys of rubbing it in. q;

The Hispanic and Latin American countries seem to have an advance over most everyone else. Perhaps they're honest enough to admit the sad legacy that male-dominated politics has left over the last few hundred years.

145 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:13:04am

More ISM assholes.

The Supreme Court ordered two pro-Palestinian foreign activists released on bail on Monday, saying Israeli immigration officers overstepped their bounds by detaining them in the West Bank.

The activists' lawyer described their arrest as part of a campaign by Israel to choke off weekly demonstrations by Palestinians, left-wing Israelis and foreign activists against Israel's West Bank separation barrier as peace efforts remain at a stalemate.

Israeli soldiers raided the West Bank city of Ramallah on Sunday and detained Spaniard Ariadna Jove Marti and Australian Bridgette Chappell, handing them over to immigration officers overseen by Israel's Interior Ministry for possible deportation.

Both women belong to the International Solidarity Movement, which is at the forefront of anti-barrier demonstrations.

Palestinian authorities and the women's attorney called the entire operation illegal, arguing the military had no right to raid a city within an area designated by interim peace accords as being under Palestinian civil and security jurisdiction.

But the Supreme Court ordered Marti and Chappell released on other grounds, saying immigration officers - authorized only to operate inside Israel - had taken custody of the women from the military at a prison inside the West Bank.

"(The immigration officers) have no authority outside the legitimate borders of Israel," the women's lawyer, Omer Schatz, told reporters before the court ordered his clients freed on bail.

The two activists were banned by the court from returning to the West Bank but told they could file an appeal against deportation from Israel, which controls the territory's borders.

SNIP

146 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:14:34am

re: #138 MandyManners

Oh, I remember that. See my No. 137 for another possible take.

Oh yes. Palin blow-up dolls. Heh-heh. Wink-wink.

WTF?

147 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:16:39am

re: #146 ryannon

Oh yes. Palin blow-up dolls. Heh-heh. Wink-wink.

WTF?

And, it deflated? Punched too much?

148 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:16:45am

re: #145 MandyManners

More ISM assholes.

The Supreme Court ordered two pro-Palestinian foreign activists released on bail on Monday, saying Israeli immigration officers overstepped their bounds by detaining them in the West Bank.

Grah. And the fact that these people found a lawyer willing to get them off on a technicality is almost even more galling.

149 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:17:31am

re: #146 ryannon

I'd say any kind of blow-up-doll is a WTF moment.

150 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:19:17am

re: #144 ryannon

The Hispanic and Latin American countries seem to have an advance over most everyone else. Perhaps they're honest enough to admit the sad legacy that male-dominated politics has left over the last few hundred years.

Despite the "machismo" effect, apparently.

But you know it feels REALLY good to outrank the United States on a global chart that measures something positive (instead of, say, global corruption indices. D: )

151 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:20:07am

Two-and-a-half weeks after US President Barack Obama completed his first year in office, observers both in Israel and the US on Sunday gave his Middle East policy largely failing grades for efficacy.

“Since there are no prospects of talks on the horizon, and in many ways what their efforts wrought was a wasted year without any negotiations, I believe the administration deserves an ‘F’ for failure to deliver on results,” Anti-Defamation League National Director Abraham Foxman told the ADL’s National Executive Committee.

In contrast, Foxman said that Obama deserved a “solid A for his efforts” after “he tried very hard in his first year to bring the parties together with good intentions.”

On strategy, Foxman rated the administration’s performance a “C-minus,” after “the administration... focused on trying to speed up the process toward peace, and is now questioning its own strategy.”

Among the strategic errors cited by Foxman were “unrealistic expectations” and heavy-handed focus on Israeli settlement policy.


SNIP

152 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:21:48am

re: #148 thedopefishlives

Grah. And the fact that these people found a lawyer willing to get them off on a technicality is almost even more galling.

They're not off. They're banned from the West Bank and they're being deporterd from Israel.

153 I AM BREITBART!  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:23:01am

re: #149 Obdicut

I'd say any kind of blow-up-doll is a WTF moment.

The best blow up doll WTF moment was on Six Feet Under. At the beginning of every episode, someone dies, that's the routine. In this episode it starts with two guys forking around with helium and blow up dolls. They filled about 30 of em with helium and you keep thinking one or the other is going to blow himself up.

Flash to a parking lot where they've loaded the helium dolls into the back of a truck and covered them with a net so they don't float away. As they are pulling into the street the net slips and several dolls escape and begin to float up and over the street in the bright sunshine.

Some lady pulling out of a parking lot, her car coated with jesusfish and Jesus Saves! etc sees the dolls, thinks they are angels from heaven and that the rapture is here. She walks out into traffic with her arms up-stretched and immediately plowed down on the spot.

Never saw it coming...

154 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:23:07am

re: #152 MandyManners

They're not off. They're banned from the West Bank and they're being deporterd from Israel.

They should be rotting in an Israeli jail. Plus, the deportation is up for appeal because of the technicality of their arrest.

155 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:24:03am

Good morning, Lizards! Hope everyone had a good weekend. Just finished "catching up" on this thread and am sad to see Rose departing for the moment. Certainly a "Monday" moment. :(

Other than that, what is new? What of note did I miss this past week?

156 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:25:09am

re: #154 thedopefishlives

They should be rotting in an Israeli jail. Plus, the deportation is up for appeal because of the technicality of their arrest.

Well, the cops acted outside their jurisdiction.

157 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:25:33am

re: #155 SasyMomaCat

Good morning, Lizards! Hope everyone had a good weekend. Just finished "catching up" on this thread and am sad to see Rose departing for the moment. Certainly a "Monday" moment. :(

Other than that, what is new? What of note did I miss this past week?

THE SAINTS WON THE SUPER BOWL.

and that's about it. :x

oh, and the iPad and some big address Obama made.

158 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:25:50am

re: #155 SasyMomaCat

Good morning, Lizards! Hope everyone had a good weekend. Just finished "catching up" on this thread and am sad to see Rose departing for the moment. Certainly a "Monday" moment. :(

Other than that, what is new? What of note did I miss this past week?

Tuna. Cat-nip. Naps in the sun.

159 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:27:09am

re: #158 MandyManners

Ah, yes - sounds like a fabulous day! :)

160 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:28:13am

It took my computer seven hours to defrag the hard-drive. When I last checked on the defrag thingy a short while back, it showed a scheduled defrag done on certain days. But, the start date was TWO years before the computer was even made. So, I decided I'd defrag it last night.

Any ideas why the start date was two years before the computer was made?

161 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:28:48am

re: #159 SasyMomaCat

Ah, yes - sounds like a fabulous day! :)

Lotsa' scractching under the chin and behind the ears.

162 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:28:59am

re: #160 MandyManners

It took my computer seven hours to defrag the hard-drive. When I last checked on the defrag thingy a short while back, it showed a scheduled defrag done on certain days. But, the start date was TWO years before the computer was even made. So, I decided I'd defrag it last night.

Any ideas why the start date was two years before the computer was made?

Lazy preprogrammers at the assembly line?

163 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:29:22am

re: #160 MandyManners

Gremlins?

164 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:29:26am

re: #160 MandyManners

Either a scheduling fail, or a piece of corrupted data in exactly the right spot.

165 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:29:45am

re: #161 MandyManners

This keeps getting better and better ;)

166 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:29:48am

Morning Lizards...

167 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:30:09am

re: #166 PT Barnum

Good morning!

168 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:30:43am

re: #160 MandyManners

When your defrag was last done, the system clock was off. Or your clock is off now, but I don't think you'd be able to get online if it were.

169 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:31:07am

re: #168 Obdicut

Off as in 'inaccurate', not as in 'shut down'.

170 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:31:15am

re: #165 SasyMomaCat

This keeps getting better and better ;)

Since we're packing up to move here soon, we've been rolling out big stacks of boxes to put stuff in. My three felines have been going crazy jumping in, out, between, and over the piles of boxes in the front room.

171 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:31:50am
172 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:32:26am

re: #10 ryannon

Ah, mixed you up with one of the other Lizards. Michigan was like another country to me when I was growing up in Chicago. First South Bend and the big steel mills and then the old lakeside resorts. And way out East, Ann Arbor. And even further, Detroit. I never quite understood Michigan.

We're like a mini-Europe.
/

173 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:32:53am

re: #168 Obdicut

When your defrag was last done, the system clock was off. Or your clock is off now, but I don't think you'd be able to get online if it were.

Windows, by default, has the system clock updated from time servers on the intertubes. You're generally not going to get off by two seconds, let alone two years.

174 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:33:17am

re: #171 laZardo

Comm'nist gremlins from Warner Brothers.

I heard that Bob Clampett's animators put their own faces on those "gremlins"

175 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:33:38am

re: #160 MandyManners

It took my computer seven hours to defrag the hard-drive. When I last checked on the defrag thingy a short while back, it showed a scheduled defrag done on certain days. But, the start date was TWO years before the computer was even made. So, I decided I'd defrag it last night.

Any ideas why the start date was two years before the computer was made?

Computers have interesting secret lives. Even when unplugged.

176 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:34:18am

re: #170 thedopefishlives

How funny - I can just see that. Nothing a cat likes better than a box - unless, maybe, a paper grocery bag.

Hope the move (and prep work) goes smoothly and as easy a possible.

Speaking of cats getting into things, I was getting ready to brine a turkey yesterday and had my container all lined with a clean plastic bag. I turned around to get something and when I turned back around, our youngest and largest (over 20 lbs.) cat had jumped in and was sitting there, looking out. the container is only about as big around as a round wastebasket, so he filled it up pretty good. Gave me a pretty good giggle. Of course, then I had to shoo him out and replace the plastic.

177 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:34:28am

re: #79 irish rose

Rose, I hope you can keep coming around, as does Dragon_Lady.

178 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:34:31am

re: #173 thedopefishlives

Yeah, but it's not unusual to, when you first get a computer, find stuff with impossible dates on it; I chalked it up to clock manipulation since I know that you can do it that way, and I don't know any other way it could actually happen.

If it's not connected, it's not updated.

179 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:35:16am

re: #178 Obdicut

Yeah, but it's not unusual to, when you first get a computer, find stuff with impossible dates on it; I chalked it up to clock manipulation since I know that you can do it that way, and I don't know any other way it could actually happen.

If it's not connected, it's not updated.

Granted, and I believe the Windows default date is like 1980 or something. (I know it's not the Unix epoch, because heaven forbid Windows use any sort of recognizable standard.)

180 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:35:59am

re: #174 Alouette

I heard that Bob Clampett's animators put their own faces on those "gremlins"

Now that's what I call an easter egg.

181 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:37:00am

re: #172 Alouette

We're like a mini-Europe.
/

Exactly! But without the scenery, history, architecture, food, languages, traditions and free health care.

/

182 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:38:57am

re: #177 Rightwingconspirator

Rose, I hope you can keep coming around, as does Dragon_Lady.

Seconded.

183 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:39:26am

Hey Obama no one who is out of a job gives a flying F about your "health care reform."

Give it up already.

184 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:40:32am

re: #168 Obdicut

When your defrag was last done, the system clock was off. Or your clock is off now, but I don't think you'd be able to get online if it were.

I don't think I've ever defragged it before.

185 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:40:34am

re: #183 Ojoe

Probably some people who are out of work and have their COBRA coverage ending-- or for whom it's far too expensive to keep up-- do actually giving a flying F. They might give a G, a D, and a MF-MH-FTS-IQ, too.

186 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:41:01am

re: #184 MandyManners

I don't think I've ever defragged it before.

It may've been done when the computer was built. Or, the schedule was set when the computer was built, but before the clock was properly set.

187 Ojoe  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:41:13am

re: #185 Obdicut

OK on that.

188 drcordell  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:41:48am

Two thoughts from the weekend:

1) Can't believe Manning threw that INT

2) Palin's "palm notes" were the saddest thing I've seen in a while. You're at the Tea Party Convention and you have to write down "tax cuts" on your hand to remember it? Although, it has been great paging through "conservative" blogs to watch her faithful minions flail to defend her.

189 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:41:52am

re: #162 laZardo

Lazy preprogrammers at the assembly line?

How could that be?

190 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:42:06am

re: #163 SasyMomaCat

Gremlins?

My favorite.

191 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:42:12am

re: #185 Obdicut

Probably some people who are out of work and have their COBRA coverage ending-- or for whom it's far too expensive to keep up-- do actually giving a flying F. They might give a G, a D, and a MF-MH-FTS-IQ, too.

The only people who don't really care about health care reform are those who can get healthcare and aren't in any danger of losing it.

Well besides the insurance companies and Pharma, of course.

192 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:42:22am

Body found in airplane wheel well at Tokyo airport

TOKYO – Japanese authorities said Monday they are trying to identify a body found inside one of the landing gear compartments on a Delta Airlines plane flight that arrived in Tokyo from New York.

The body of the apparent stowaway, identified only as that of a male with dark skin, was clad only in a long-sleeved, plaid shirt and jeans, police at the Narita International Airport said Monday.

A mechanic found the body lying inside the landing gear compartment of the Boeing 777-200 during maintenance after Delta Flight 59 from New York landed at Narita on Sunday night, police official Zenjiro Watanabe said.

"All we know is that he must have sneaked in just before departure, because it is impossible for him to enter the storage during flight," Watanabe said.

The body had no visible injuries except signs of frostbite, and the man might have died of hypothermia during the flight, Watanabe said.

The temperature in that part of the plane falls to about minus 58 degrees (minus 50 degrees Celsius) during flight.

193 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:43:15am

re: #164 thedopefishlives

Either a scheduling fail, or a piece of corrupted data in exactly the right spot.

Tek tawk--mah haid hirtz

194 drcordell  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:43:31am

re: #183 Ojoe

Hey Obama no one who is out of a job gives a flying F about your "health care reform."

Give it up already.

You're most certainly wrong about that one. Anyone without a job who has a pre-existing condition is extremely interested in health care reform. How about you speak for yourself and not others.

195 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:43:56am

re: #189 MandyManners

re: #193 MandyManners

See my #186 for a more down-to-earth idea of what may have happened.

196 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:44:15am

re: #177 Rightwingconspirator

Hey man, the sun was up and I was out in the snow, tripod and camera in hand in the 12°'s this AM. Shit it was cold. My dog kept switching her paws from one to the other, looking at me 'WTF I thought we were getting wood for the fire'? I dropped my level in the snow, picked it up and my hand stuck to it. And I forgot to put on gators.

BUT THAT WAS FUN!

I need a feedback loop, though. Making exposures with out prints is making me nuts.

197 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:44:30am

re: #188 drcordell


Palin's "palm notes" were the saddest thing I've seen in a while. You're at the Tea Party Convention and you have to write down "tax cuts" on your hand to remember it? Although, it has been great paging through "conservative" blogs to watch her faithful minions flail to defend her.

If she ever gets to the white house, that's probably where she'd keep the launch codes too.

198 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:44:41am

re: #194 drcordell

I can't speak for others, but I'm very interested in health care and health insurance reform. I just don't think the government should be the source.

199 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:45:17am

re: #114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My in-laws are sioux. Well, the G-pa is 100% sioux. I don't remember what tribe, Lakota or Dakota. IIRC, he lives on a reservation outside Yankton SD. Those tribes out there are all screwed up.

200 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:46:56am

re: #175 ryannon

Computers have interesting secret lives. Even when unplugged.

Much more interesting than mine.

201 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:46:57am

re: #176 SasyMomaCat

That sounds like a stunt our own big Maine Coon would do. re: #182 Decatur Deb

Seconded.

She had logged off. re: #103 thedopefishlives

It's time to put out the flame wars. I agree with you just step back until the blaze has snuffed itself out. Dark_Falcon has jumped in on a call for calm, to his credit. I have only been posting since October so I stay away from the senior Lizard squabbles, I figure they have a history. But I'll upding calls for calm, and down ding the outright hostility.

202 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:47:07am

re: #198 SasyMomaCat

I can't speak for others, but I'm very interested in health care and health insurance reform. I just don't think the government should be the source.

I think single-payer would be nice, but given the actions of certain Rust Belt Democrats and Cotton Belt Republicans over the past few scandals, I hardly think such a system would be viable in the United States.

/hmm, rust and cotton...a deadly combination.

203 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:47:09am

re: #198 SasyMomaCat

I can't speak for others, but I'm very interested in health care and health insurance reform. I just don't think the government should be the source.

Do you really think private industry is going to do it without government stepping in? If so, I have some very nice Florida properties to show you...very well hydrated.

204 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:47:53am

re: #178 Obdicut

Yeah, but it's not unusual to, when you first get a computer, find stuff with impossible dates on it; I chalked it up to clock manipulation since I know that you can do it that way, and I don't know any other way it could actually happen.

If it's not connected, it's not updated.

I've had it for two years.

205 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:48:18am

re: #179 thedopefishlives

Granted, and I believe the Windows default date is like 1980 or something. (I know it's not the Unix epoch, because heaven forbid Windows use any sort of recognizable standard.)

SPAYSHUL SNOWFWAKES!

206 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:48:45am

re: #181 ryannon

Exactly! But without the scenery, history, architecture, food, languages, traditions and free health care.

/

And, toilets that are holes in the floor.

207 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:49:13am

re: #204 MandyManners

Those scheduled things can fail sometimes.

If you really want to panic about what's on your computer, grab HijackThis and give it a whirl.

208 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:49:36am

re: #202 laZardo

Certainly agreed - I don't have any confidence that our government can manage any program without making it a political football. And our health care is far to important to be turned into a game piece. Unfortunately, that's what the current "reform" efforts have created.

I do believe that the government does have some small part in the reform. Keyword being "small."

209 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:49:43am

re: #186 thedopefishlives

It may've been done when the computer was built. Or, the schedule was set when the computer was built, but before the clock was properly set.

That makes some sense.

Could a virus have done it?

210 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:49:58am

re: #201 Rightwingconspirator

That sounds like a stunt our own big Maine Coon would do. re: #182 Decatur Deb

She had logged off. re: #103 thedopefishlives

It's time to put out the flame wars. I agree with you just step back until the blaze has snuffed itself out. Dark_Falcon has jumped in on a call for calm, to his credit. I have only been posting since October so I stay away from the senior Lizard squabbles, I figure they have a history. But I'll upding calls for calm, and down ding the outright hostility.

Calls for calm get an automatic upding from me too. Why do people go straight for the jugular when they disagree? Can't they stick to the topic instead of getting into personalities? Good natured teasing is one thing, but some of the rhetoric here is getting way out of hand.

211 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:50:15am

re: #206 MandyManners

And, toilets that are holes in the floor.

Oh, poo.

Seriously, they've (mostly) been upgraded.

212 Jadespring  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:50:25am

On the news they just did a segment about musical in Germany about Obama. Apparently it's a big hit.

Weird.

213 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:50:59am

re: #209 MandyManners

That makes some sense.

Could a virus have done it?

Extremely unlikely. Viruses mess with actually important stuff. Defragging, while useful, isn't in the "actually important" category. It's more there to ensure that the computer doesn't lose track of its own stuff, which sounds like a bigger deal than it actually is.

214 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:51:05am

re: #211 ryannon

Oh, poo.

Seriously, they've (mostly) been upgraded.

Is that the shampoo or the real poo?

215 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:51:37am

re: #213 thedopefishlives

A virus could target the system clock, but it'd fuck shit up so badly if it really grabbed hold of it that you wouldn't be able to do much.

216 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:52:14am

Pedo-bear headed to the winter olympics:

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

217 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:52:52am

re: #216 RogueOne

Oh god that's terrible.

218 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:52:54am

re: #213 thedopefishlives

Extremely unlikely. Viruses mess with actually important stuff. Defragging, while useful, isn't in the "actually important" category. It's more there to ensure that the computer doesn't lose track of its own stuff, which sounds like a bigger deal than it actually is.

Generally, defragging the drive isn't necessary until you start seeing a lot of lag before files get loaded. That's because the PC has to spend a lot of time looking for things before it finds them.

Think of the world's worst filing clerk who just sticks files where it's handy as opposed to putting them in order. At some point, they can't find anything and have to put everything back in it's proper place.

219 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:53:02am

re: #215 Obdicut

A virus could target the system clock, but it'd fuck shit up so badly if it really grabbed hold of it that you wouldn't be able to do much.

I've never seen one that does. Most viruses are direct and to the point - get in, bomb the system with as much damage as it can do, and possibly open a back door to the virus writer. The most sophisticated viruses I've seen are the ones that sleep until a target date, but they don't actively change the clock.

220 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:53:11am

re: #216 RogueOne

Pedo-bear headed to the winter olympics:

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

...Srsly...?

221 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:53:39am

re: #200 MandyManners

Much more interesting than mine.

Mandy, you should download the free version of this

It just sits on your desktop and you can head potential issues off at the pass way before they become real problems.

222 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:54:50am

re: #177 Rightwingconspirator

Rose, I hope you can keep coming around, as does Dragon_Lady.

As do I.

223 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:54:51am

re: #217 Obdicut

re: #220 Varek Raith

Someone should have done a little checking before photo-shopping that bear in there.

224 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:54:55am

re: #203 PT Barnum

I believe the government has a role to play in reform - I just think the things being contemplated in congress at the moment involve far too much government involvement.

Let's face it - there is going to have to be some legislative change. Such as allowing insurance to be sold across state lines - that certainly fits in the context of interstate commerce. Also in terms of torte reform.

Having worked in risk management for a national long-term care company, I can say without hesitation that we are a country of people that feel the need to find fault. If our loved one dies or is disabled, it has to be someone's fault and they must be punished. And, while the suites that have little merit usually end up in favor of the care provider, he/she/they still have litigation and increasing insurance costs.

225 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:55:17am

re: #214 PT Barnum

Is that the shampoo or the real poo?

Yes, they've even got shampoo here. And toilet paper. And...and SOAP!

226 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:55:24am

re: #220 Varek Raith

re: #216 RogueOne

He probably got inspired by Chris Hansen's commercial.

227 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:55:59am

re: #207 Obdicut

Those scheduled things can fail sometimes.

If you really want to panic about what's on your computer, grab HijackThis and give it a whirl.

Uhhh...no thanks. No need to get all the hair on my body to stand up straight today.

228 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:56:12am

re: #219 thedopefishlives

I know there was one that does, because I fixed it on the computers in the place I worked back in 2000-- I think it was timed to coincide with the millenium bug thing.

Anyway, a low CMOS battery will also screw with your clock settings.

229 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:57:01am

re: #228 Obdicut


Anyway, a low CMOS battery will also screw with your clock settings.

Heh. Those were the days. I haven't had to change a CMOS battery in years. They must make the things out of Unobtainium or something.

230 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:57:04am

re: #210 PT Barnum

Well lets vote with our dings, before more good people vote with their feet. I'll add my voice as appropriate. Calm is good. Anger leads to hate. We know where that goes.
Have a great day I'm off to work

231 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:57:05am

re: #211 ryannon

Oh, poo.

Seriously, they've (mostly) been upgraded.

Yeah but, Walter experienced co-ed bathrooms.

232 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:57:29am

re: #212 Jadespring

On the news they just did a segment about musical in Germany about Obama. Apparently it's a big hit.

Weird.

Springtime for Obama?

233 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:58:12am

re: #213 thedopefishlives

Extremely unlikely. Viruses mess with actually important stuff. Defragging, while useful, isn't in the "actually important" category. It's more there to ensure that the computer doesn't lose track of its own stuff, which sounds like a bigger deal than it actually is.

I was talking more about the clock issue.

234 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:58:38am

re: #229 thedopefishlives

Must be an interesting challenge to deliver just a tiny trickle of power, forevor.

235 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:58:42am

re: #232 MandyManners

Springtime for Obama?

Godwin...Godwin Godwin...

236 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:59:09am

re: #233 MandyManners

I was talking more about the clock issue.

*shrugs* Possible, but again, unlikely. Viruses tend to be more destructive than subtle. Although these days, viruses serve mostly to hijack computers and turn them into mindless drones.

237 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:59:17am

brb

238 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 6:59:36am

re: #227 MandyManners

Uhhh...no thanks. No need to get all the hair on my body to stand up straight today.

If you haven't done this, you might consider it: Once a year I would take my computer in to the Geek Squad and have them clean it up. It costs like $100 or so.

Then when I'd pick it up, I would ask them about things I was unsure about, like how to set up a defrag schedule, etc.

239 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:00:43am

re: #236 thedopefishlives

*shrugs* Possible, but again, unlikely. Viruses tend to be more destructive than subtle. Although these days, viruses serve mostly to hijack computers and turn them into mindless drones.

Worst ones I've worked on lately have been the fake virus trojans...suckers make it damn near impossible to do anything. Have to usually pull the drive and scan it on a different computer to get to the point where I can even start cleaning them up.

I swear I gotta find these guys and write em a commission check.

240 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:01:48am

re: #238 reine.de.tout

If you haven't done this, you might consider it: Once a year I would take my computer in to the Geek Squad and have them clean it up. It costs like $100 or so.

Then when I'd pick it up, I would ask them about things I was unsure about, like how to set up a defrag schedule, etc.

Better yet, find a good dependable independent who will take the time to educate you. Full Disclosure: I'm an independent.

241 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:02:13am

re: #239 PT Barnum

Worst ones I've worked on lately have been the fake virus trojans...suckers make it damn near impossible to do anything. Have to usually pull the drive and scan it on a different computer to get to the point where I can even start cleaning them up.

I swear I gotta find these guys and write em a commission check.

My wife got bitten by a virus that pretended to be her antivirus program. It's one of the few that actually managed to fool me on first glance. It wasn't until after I took a second look that I realized my mistake and had to throw it into overdrive on protective measures. That one was damn scary.

242 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:03:30am

re: #231 MandyManners

Yeah but, Walter experienced co-ed bathrooms.

That was in 2000 or so, and in a little village as I remember.

Most 'co-ed' bathrooms (which are pretty rare outside of the trendy clubs) are a one-by-one affair: you wait outside, the person comes out (usually through a small vestibule with a wash-basin, mirror, etc.) and once they've exited, you go in. Very low-pressure and civilized. And unusual enough so that you don't often encounter it.

On the other hand, some of the washroom facilities in capital cities like Paris are so outrageously beautiful that several people I know have illustrated guide-books in the works...

243 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:03:41am

re: #241 thedopefishlives

My wife got bitten by a virus that pretended to be her antivirus program. It's one of the few that actually managed to fool me on first glance. It wasn't until after I took a second look that I realized my mistake and had to throw it into overdrive on protective measures. That one was damn scary.

I've been seeing a lot more of that style of virus lately. The last one I ran into would prevent you from getting into anything. Ended up having to restore the drive.

244 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:04:24am

Formatting fixes everything...
;)

245 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:05:46am

re: #243 PT Barnum

I've been seeing a lot more of that style of virus lately. The last one I ran into would prevent you from getting into anything. Ended up having to restore the drive.

I managed to save it, just. It was a tough fix, but I keep special boot CD's on hand for exactly this sort of thing. Ain't gonna have any of my family's computers plugged into some hacker's botnet, no sir.

246 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:07:36am

re: #244 Varek Raith

Formatting fixes everything...
;)

I remember the good ol' days of reformatting every 6 mos.

247 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:08:38am

re: #242 ryannon

That's fairly commonplace here, if only because there's not much room to put two restrooms. q;

248 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:08:43am

re: #246 RogueOne

I remember the good ol' days of reformatting every 6 mos.

Heh, I still reformat once a year.
:)

249 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:10:40am

Well I'm off to get a bit to eat and then go to work..have a great day lizards..

250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:11:25am

re: #188 drcordell

I've only "defended" her in the sense that people have been posting with venomous hatred.

251 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:11:46am

re: #248 Varek Raith

I should reformat my home pc, I haven't done it in a couple years now. I just hate to mess with things that are working fine.

252 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:12:19am

If information is power, why aren't librarians ruling the world?

253 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:12:38am

re: #239 PT Barnum

Worst ones I've worked on lately have been the fake virus trojans...suckers make it damn near impossible to do anything. Have to usually pull the drive and scan it on a different computer to get to the point where I can even start cleaning them up.

I swear I gotta find these guys and write em a commission check.

That's one check every minute.

254 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:12:58am

re: #252 The Sanity Inspector

If information is power, why aren't librarians ruling the world?

A secret society of Templars keeps them in check.

255 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:13:04am

re: #252 The Sanity Inspector

Outdated card catalogs.

256 ggt  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:13:20am

re: #252 The Sanity Inspector

If information is power, why aren't librarians ruling the world?

How do you know they are not?

Good Morning all!

257 darthstar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:14:32am

Mornin' all...I'd stay and chat, but it's time for me to hop in the tub.

258 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:17:33am

Steve Chapman has an interesting piece in Reason re: DADT:

Buried Truths About Gays in the Military
Why it's time to end "don't ask, don't tell"

A couple of dozen countries already allow gays in uniform—including allies that have fought alongside our troops, such as Britain, Canada, and Australia. Just as there is plenty of opposition in the U.S. ranks, there was plenty of opposition when they changed their policies.

In Canada, 45 percent of service members said they would not work with gay colleagues, and a majority of British soldiers and sailors rejected the idea. There were warnings that hordes of military personnel would quit and promising youngsters would refuse to enlist.

But when the new day arrived, it turned out to be a big, fat non-event. The Canadian government reported "no effect." The British government observed "a marked lack of reaction." An Australian veterans group that opposed admitting gays later admitted that the services "have not had a lot of difficulty in this area."


[Link: reason.com...]

259 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:17:59am

re: #252 The Sanity Inspector

lack of effective application

260 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:18:21am

re: #257 darthstar

You dropped by to let us know you were naked and about to bathe? thanks/

261 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:19:44am

re: #258 RogueOne

Really great article.

262 drcordell  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:20:44am

re: #250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've only "defended" her in the sense that people have been posting with venomous hatred.

Venomous hatred like the kind that drips from Palin's tongue nearly every time she speaks?

263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:20:45am

re: #260 RogueOne

heh... I was thinking the same thing...

Fantastic.

Oh, I'm not naked.

I'M NEKKID! WOO HOO!

264 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:21:11am

re: #263 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

very important distinction, that.

265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:21:17am

re: #262 drcordell

That's the spirit, Doc. You are being consistent.

266 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:22:06am

re: #235 PT Barnum

Godwin...Godwin Godwin...

I don't do sarc. tags.

267 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:22:14am

Anyone in SC planning on overthrowing the gov't? You have to register first:

[Link: rawstory.com...]

Five-dollar registration fee for persons planning to overthrow US government


Terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their intentions -- or face a $25,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison.

The state's "Subversive Activities Registration Act," passed last year and now officially on the books, states that "every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States ... shall register with the Secretary of State."

268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:22:51am

re: #267 RogueOne

The law is a funny thing, ain't it?

269 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:23:04am

re: #231 MandyManners

Addendum:

While I don't question the veracity of Walter's experience, I have to add that in over 37 years of living here, I have never experienced toilets being used by both men and women at the same time. Except at the state universities, where they don't even have toilet-seats.

270 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:23:18am

re: #215 Obdicut

A virus could target the system clock, but it'd fuck shit up so badly if it really grabbed hold of it that you wouldn't be able to do much.

Good to know that my shit's not fucked up.


271 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:23:24am

re: #267 RogueOne

Anyone in SC planning on overthrowing the gov't? You have to register first:

[Link: rawstory.com...]

Five-dollar registration fee for persons planning to overthrow US government

Despite the headline, that can't be real...can it??? Lol.
XD

272 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:24:51am

re: #176 SasyMomaCat

You certain that the cat didn't want to be brined?

Mine spent the weekend sleeping in the sun, playing with a toy mouse that had been dipped in catnip (yummy!), tracking me down to get attention, and finally, sitting on the window sills watching from on high as the puny humans wrestle with the snow.

273 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:25:03am

Watching 70's kung-funk movies with little bros. Mmm, cheesy.

274 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:25:28am

re: #270 MandyManners

Good to know that my shit's not fucked up.

[Video]

Did that play?

When I went to Youtube, the screen thingy said I didn't have that flash thingy. Well, I thought I did. I didn't delete it. I installed the latest one it offered. It didn't work.

Fucking computers. I have half a notion to take my CPU to the range.

POW. POW. POW.

275 Millicent Islam  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:25:45am

Anatomy of butthurt:

1. Email Charles incessantly about a poster, or two, whom one doesn't like.
2. When you get no response, post histrionically on your blog about how you won't be coming to LGF any more.
3. When no one appears to care, revise your post, and start posting bullshit in dead threads about the poster(s) you don't like.
4. When that doesn't do anything, start falsely attacking those posters as 'bullies' when they're not present, and urging other posters to email you.
5. Fail to see that you're the one acting like a bully, and that you're the one desperately trying to initiate bullying and piling on.

lol.

276 MandyManners  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:26:08am

Ah, what the heck. I'm gonna' bundle up The Kid and head to the pharmacy to get him something for his itchy nose. bbl

277 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:26:16am

re: #274 MandyManners

Did that play?

When I went to Youtube, the screen thingy said I didn't have that flash thingy. Well, I thought I did. I didn't delete it. I installed the latest one it offered. It didn't work.

Fucking computers. I have half a notion to take my CPU to the range.

POW. POW. POW.

It plays.
:)

278 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:26:35am

re: #274 MandyManners

Fucking computers. I have half a notion to take my CPU to the range.

POW. POW. POW.

Say that you got that comp from a Colts fan in a bet and you'll get a free box of ammo. :D

279 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:26:36am

re: #274 MandyManners

It's not the poor little CPU's fault, it's the crappy software running around in it.

The CPU's just a little worker, under the command of the mentally deranged CEO of the software.

280 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:27:35am

re: #272 oaktree

You certain that the cat didn't want to be brined?

Mine spent the weekend sleeping in the sun, playing with a toy mouse that had been dipped in catnip (yummy!), tracking me down to get attention, and finally, sitting on the window sills watching from on high as the puny humans wrestle with the snow.

My big grey animal saw a bird last week and he got REALLY excited. I almost thought he was going to try to pounce through the window or something. That hunter instinct never really goes away, even when they're indoor cats.

281 Aye Pod  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:27:39am

re: #99 irish rose

Also, there were some outrageous lies told about "Defenseman" on yesterdays' morning open that were really the tipping point for me. I know the person who runs that blog, he's a decent caring person and would never do what he has been accused of. I expressed my outrage at the end of the thread and was given the usual response from our two resident bullies.

I'm just not down with this kind of thing, it's not what I come to LGF for.

Hmm - I thought you were just here to say goodbye to some friends?

No , Rose, we didn't lie, we stated a FACT. One that is easily checkable and well known to all who were reading LGF and paying attention to what was happening with the stalkers at that time. Hoops got attacked by the stalkers because they believed, for some idiotic reason, that he was behind the 'Defenseman' site. The person who was really behind that site let Hoops take the fall for being responsible for it. He never stepped forward to take the heat off Hoops, despite his being targeted by the stalkers for months. This continued until the stalkers figured out for themselves who the proprietor of the site really was.

The slagging off of Hoops went on at defenseman's site itself, so the proprietor could hardly claim ignorance about it.

Hoops is considered to be a good guy here on LGF by just about everyone- and rightly so - one of the best in fact - and here you are, inviting everyone to believe that he too is a liar. Good luck with that.

282 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:28:08am

re: #272 oaktree

Sounds like your kitty had a great weekend - I would doubt that Mr. Nibbles was interested in being brined, as just a squirt from a water bottle is enough to get him off the counters or other places he doesn't belong. Somehow, I can't see him being happy at the thought of soaking in water of any kind, even with honey, herbs, and kosher salt.

:)

283 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:28:23am

re: #267 RogueOne

Anyone in SC planning on overthrowing the gov't? You have to register first:

[Link: rawstory.com...]

Five-dollar registration fee for persons planning to overthrow US government

...which, if the government does fall, is fully refundable.

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:28:23am

re: #275 iceweasel

re: #281 Jimmah

She was a friend of mine.

But, don't let me spoil your fun.

285 ggt  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:29:38am

Anyone know anything about this organization?

286 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:30:06am

re: #283 The Sanity Inspector

...which, if the government does fall, is fully refundable.

What's next, needing to register before you rob a bank???

287 Millicent Islam  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:30:19am

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #281 Jimmah

She was a friend of mine.

But, don't let me spoil your fun.

What 'fun'? Do you really think it's 'fun' to find someone every goddamn morning talking shit about us? Please, FBV. That's extremely unfair of you.

288 ggt  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:30:46am

re: #276 MandyManners

Ah, what the heck. I'm gonna' bundle up The Kid and head to the pharmacy to get him something for his itchy nose. bbl

NETI.POT NETI.POT NETI.POT

289 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:31:55am

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She did come into the thread in order to say it, while they weren't here. That's itching for trouble-- you can't really be surprised when she finds it. She also attacked Jimmah in that other thread even though he hadn't posted in it.

I also think that it's arrogant for anyone to say that anyone is 'destroying' LGF. LGF is what Charles wants it to be. He moderates it. If things occur that some people don't like but Charles allows them, that's what LGF is. It's his site.

That being said, Ice, given that you've made your point, we probably don't need to hash out a fight with the secondaries and the tertiaries, do we?

290 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:32:00am

re: #288 ggt

those things are wonderful.

291 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:32:11am

re: #288 ggt

NETI.POT NETI.POT NETI.POT

292 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:32:20am

Heavy-weight match: Hitchens vs. Gore Vidal

Hitchens:
Vidal is a crackpot:

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

Vidal ally:
Hitchens has no clothes:

[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]

293 reine.de.tout  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:32:34am

re: #288 ggt

NETI.POT NETI.POT NETI.POT

seconded seconded seconded

294 Millicent Islam  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:33:10am

re: #289 Obdicut

She did come into the thread in order to say it, while they weren't here. That's itching for trouble-- you can't really be surprised when she finds it. She also attacked Jimmah in that other thread even though he hadn't posted in it.

I also think that it's arrogant for anyone to say that anyone is 'destroying' LGF. LGF is what Charles wants it to be. He moderates it. If things occur that some people don't like but Charles allows them, that's what LGF is. It's his site.

That being said, Ice, given that you've made your point, we probably don't need to hash out a fight with the secondaries and the tertiaries, do we?

No, and that certainly isn't what I was trying to do. It helps to have someone outside the fray, like you, state the blindingly obvious.
Thank you.

295 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:33:23am

re: #258 RogueOne

Steve Chapman has an interesting piece in Reason re: DADT:

Buried Truths About Gays in the Military
Why it's time to end "don't ask, don't tell"


[Link: reason.com...]

I find it horrifically mind-boggling that the US armed forces can discharge perfectly sane soldiers just because they're gay, and at the same time manage to keep a loose cannon like Major Nidal on for YEARS until he finally snaps.

WHAT THE FUCK.

296 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:34:57am

re: #282 SasyMomaCat

The two of them like football season a great deal. I'm willing to lie on the couch and play cat pillow/heater since there are games to watch.

The fact I do more home cooking than I used to is a mixed bag to them. More chicken and other tasty meats in the house for them to get a sample of, but I also cook a lot of rice and vegetable dishes that do not meet their criteria of "food". (Though they often smell interesting to them due to the use of broth or simply by being "new" and triggering their curiosity. Or it might simply be the learned response that "human in kitchen" = "feeding opportunity".)

297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:35:11am

re: #287 iceweasel

Sorry if I was unfair. Didn't mean to be.

But, admit it, your butthurt comment looked kind of "happy".

298 ggt  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:36:43am

re: #291 Varek Raith

[Video]

I use cool water, instead of warm. I find it has anti-inflammatory affects on the sinus tissues.

299 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:36:59am

re: #296 oaktree

Oh, yes - on cooking days, the cats are always underfoot. Well, 2 out of three, anyway. The oldest (17) knows that if I'm going to give samples, I'll call them first.

It's amazing how heavy a kitty can get when sitting on the sternum :)

300 keloyd  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:37:50am

Gore Vidal got wealth and "respect" of the chattering classes writing gay porn 50 years ago and thinks all the most fashionable things. The way some modern art lacks any intrinsic value, but everyone at the Gugenheim has to pretend they like it so their friends think they're sophisticated, that's how Vidal got as far as he's gotten in life, imho. He's the sort of person that certain college kids follow like he's Jim Jones. If you're the sort of 19 year old with lots of frustration, and knowledge of the world that is 5 miles across and a half inch deep, then you might dig on Gore Vidal.

Not a fan of Christopher Hitchens either, but I love to read everything he's ever written. Christopher and Peter Hitchens - the better one - had a fascinating debate on religion that's up on youtube for all who are curious.

301 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:37:51am

re: #298 ggt

I'll have to try that. I've only ever used warm and, when my sinuses are badly swollen, it only has moderate effectiveness. That might be the trick I've been missing.

302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:37:55am

re: #298 ggt
Sorry. Just sounds like something the CIA'd do to KSM.

303 Aye Pod  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:38:32am

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #281 Jimmah

She was a friend of mine.

But, don't let me spoil your fun.

She was a friend of mine too, FBV. Then one day, because of a mildly critical, yet constructive and well intended comment, she decided I was teh debil. She went from inviting me to contribute to her new blog as a writer, to reading private chat transcripts in which she was not logged in, and publicly threatening to forward them, in the space of a few days. That's how she initiated her little failed flame war. Classy stuff huh?

Believe me, no aspect of this has been 'fun', FBV.

304 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:38:53am

re: #300 keloyd

Down-dinging you for that 'gay porn' crack.

And I don't even like Vidal.

305 Millicent Islam  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:39:09am

re: #297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry if I was unfair. Didn't mean to be.

But, admit it, your butthurt comment looked kind of "happy".

What, I should have responded with useless anger, the way she'd like?
So I tried to make a joke out of it. So what?

You have to admit, a histrionic departure, involving (yet more) personal attacks on me and my husband, combined with calls for other people to email her-- clearly so she can continue to spread her greivances-- deserves calling out. She's lucky all I did was make a joke.
Look, it's a big blog. It's pretty easy to avoid people you don't like. There's no need for her to leave and make a production out of it-- except that she intends to cause trouble by so doing. Much like she is right now.
And by the way, those steps I outlined in my butthurt comment? They're exactly the steps she made.

306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:39:16am

re: #303 Jimmah

How many people have you been on "flame wars" with on LGF?

307 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:40:28am

re: #270 MandyManners

RIP Warren Zevon

308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:40:43am

Okay, okay. Ice, Jimmah? I'm out of line, I am sure.

I apologize.

People make their internet friends and enemies. Not for me to judge one way or the other.

Backing away.

309 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:40:51am

re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #305 iceweasel

re: #303 Jimmah

This would be that 'hashing it out with the secondaries and tertiaries' thing I was talking about.

310 ggt  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:40:51am

re: #302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry. Just sounds like something the CIA'd do to KSM.

That's what my huband says, but in the time I've been doing the neti pot, I haven't been sick once and he's had numerous colds.

311 drcordell  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:41:10am

re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's the spirit, Doc. You are being consistent.

Not really sure why Palin's behavior merits any support from anyone whatsoever. She should be embarrassing even if you agree in principle with the ideas she struggles to articulate.

312 Jadespring  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:41:15am

I've used a neti pot before but now use one of the bottle versions. It cleared up a minor ear issue that had been bugging me for years. At the drug store they now sell neti pots plus all of the bottled versions which is cool. Just pointing this out because some people have a problem with the whole pot thing and find it easier to use one of the other methods. Same sort of thing just a slightly different style.

313 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:41:16am

re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good on ya. First one to drop it always gets my respect.

314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:41:48am

re: #309 Obdicut

sorry.

315 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:41:53am

Avatar change test.

316 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:41:56am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I'm so looking forward to the potential for a midweek snowstorm here in the NYC metro area (latest predictive tracks put the brunt of the storm directly over NYC and LI - with 9-12+ of snow. It's supposed to whack the parts of the tristate area that weren't buried under the weekend snowpocalypse.

I can't say I'm surprised by the snow - it is winter after all.

So, the Saints won last night's Super Bowl. Woot. And it was a good game too. Double woot.

The ads? Not so much. Mostly disappointing. The Snickers (Betty White/Abe Vagoda), Coca-Cola (Simpsons) and one of the Bud commercials was pretty good. The rest? Not really memorable.

The half-time show? Damned fine entertainment by The Who (who's left that is).

317 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:43:05am

re: #304 Obdicut

Eh... I've give up on the art critic thing... /

318 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:43:13am

re: #315 Varek Raith

Avatar change test.

From On Her Majesty's Secret Service?

319 drcordell  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:43:21am

re: #316 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I'm so looking forward to the potential for a midweek snowstorm here in the NYC metro area (latest predictive tracks put the brunt of the storm directly over NYC and LI - with 9-12+ of snow. It's supposed to whack the parts of the tristate area that weren't buried under the weekend snowpocalypse.

I can't say I'm surprised by the snow - it is winter after all.

So, the Saints won last night's Super Bowl. Woot. And it was a good game too. Double woot.

The ads? Not so much. Mostly disappointing. The Snickers (Betty White/Abe Vagoda), Coca-Cola (Simpsons) and one of the Bud commercials was pretty good. The rest? Not really memorable.

The half-time show? Damned fine entertainment by The Who (who's left that is).

I'm in NYC as well, can't believe we got absolutely no snow after all of the hubbub about this past weekend's storm.

320 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:43:27am

re: #315 Varek Raith

Ah, classic bond baddie.

321 Millicent Islam  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:43:34am

re: #308 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, okay. Ice, Jimmah? I'm out of line, I am sure.

I apologize.

People make their internet friends and enemies. Not for me to judge one way or the other.

Backing away.

It's cool. No problem here. Obdicut is right, anyway. No need for this discussion to continue.

322 ggt  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:44:40am

I got to get another cuppa and maybe a yogurt.

I hate mornings.

323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:44:51am

re: #311 drcordell

Not really sure why Palin's behavior merits any support from anyone whatsoever. She should be embarrassing even if you agree in principle with the ideas she struggles to articulate.

I have not said I agree with her ideas. I have said that people are being unnecessarily cruel.

But cruelty is a sport to cowards on the internet. Anonymity makes people evil.

Yes, I think people who spout hatred toward anyone on the internet while remaining anonymous are cowards.

324 keloyd  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:44:54am

re: #304 Obdicut

Down-dinging you for that 'gay porn' crack.

And I don't even like Vidal.

For the record, I am not against anyone writing porn of whatever kind, but it's pretty tawdry, straight or gay. Well written porn is still porn. We may need porn the way a well run city needs a sewer system, but one shouldn't pretend he's creating creating high culture, as his work has been described to me. Vidal got points added to his score he doesn't deserve. I'm with William F. Buckley on this one.

325 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:45:26am

re: #319 drcordell

Didn't get a single snowflake where I am in Northern NJ. Parts of Staten Island got 6 inches though, and Southern Brooklyn got a dusting to an inch... but we all missed out on the storm. The midweek storm will fix that oversight.

326 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:45:48am

re: #318 laZardo

From On Her Majesty's Secret Service?

Diamonds Are Forever.

327 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:45:48am

re: #299 SasyMomaCat

Kitchen behaviors by my two are odd. The older cat (18) is deaf, so he has to be fetched if I'm specifically trying to feed them. (I just go wave a sample under his nose and he gets up and wanders in.) Otherwise, he'll get underfoot and be insistent that food be distributed ME-NOW! Especially if poultry is on the menu. (I usually same them some in any case without additional spicing when I am cooking chicken in any case.) Slow cooker pulled chicken BBQ prep drives him nuts since the smell of cooked chicken is around for hours before he'll get any of it.

The younger cat (10) has something about thresholds. Usually hangs out just outside the kitchen and watches. Won't enter the area until I actually go to put food in their dishes. She also honors thresholds about entering other rooms, especially bathrooms, if someone else is there. Will have to ask the former owner about that. She spent years with an older and larger cat, a collie, and a small group of shelties (which herded her). She is also the one that likes taking "walks" out into the apartment hall (the floor has a large, marble paved, elevator lobby that's fun to explore.)

328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:45:58am

re: #315 Varek Raith

Much better. (I'm fairly certain that you don't care what I think, but)... much better.

329 Aye Pod  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:46:10am

re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many people have you been on "flame wars" with on LGF?

A few - some have merely been envious attention seekers pissed off for personal reasons that have nothing to do with the real political debates here, but the majority of them have been extreme wingnuts who are all now posting at 2.0. Something about me, iceweasel, and ludwig, and any liberal posters who stand their ground, drives unbalanced wingnuts round the bend, I guess. I take it as a compliment.

330 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:47:07am

re: #316 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I'm so looking forward to the potential for a midweek snowstorm here in the NYC metro area (latest predictive tracks put the brunt of the storm directly over NYC and LI - with 9-12+ of snow. It's supposed to whack the parts of the tristate area that weren't buried under the weekend snowpocalypse.

I can't say I'm surprised by the snow - it is winter after all.

So, the Saints won last night's Super Bowl. Woot. And it was a good game too. Double woot.

The ads? Not so much. Mostly disappointing. The Snickers (Betty White/Abe Vagoda), Coca-Cola (Simpsons) and one of the Bud commercials was pretty good. The rest? Not really memorable.

The half-time show? Damned fine entertainment by The Who (who's left that is).

Eco-fascism on TV. No, seriously.

And the best part is? It's made by Audi, i.e. Volkswagen's luxury brand.

Jeremy Clarkson is gonna have a field day. :D

331 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:47:11am

re: #328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Much better. (I'm fairly certain that you don't care what I think, but)... much better.

Heh, on other forums I tend to cycle through avatars every couple of months.
:)

332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:47:53am

re: #329 Jimmah

I'm glad that it gives you pleasure. It makes me very uncomfortable, but, that is my problem.

333 Millicent Islam  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:48:02am

re: #331 Varek Raith

Heh, on other forums I tend to cycle through avatars every couple of months.
:)

I love your new one!

334 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:48:11am

re: #331 Varek Raith

Can't stand Anime...

335 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:48:16am

re: #318 laZardo

Diamonds Are Forever if I recall correctly.

336 Aye Pod  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:48:35am

re: #329 Jimmah

I should add though that the personal stuff just saddens me. Not what LGF is for at all.

337 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:49:08am

re: #327 oaktree

Oh, sounds like a sweet bunch! It's got to be the canine influence that your youngest respects privacy. I've never had a cat that did.

Chicken does seem to be a huge favorite for my kitties, too. Like you, I typically give them a little treat before adding spices, etc. Probably reinforces the begging but, eh, it's okay.

338 Millicent Islam  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:49:15am

re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm glad that it gives you pleasure. It makes me very uncomfortable, but, that is my problem.

Well, when one's choices are to cry or to laugh, I have to go with laughing.

339 Aye Pod  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:49:20am

re: #332 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm glad that it gives you pleasure. It makes me very uncomfortable, but, that is my problem.

See my 336.

340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:50:02am

You folks have a good day. I'm going for a five hour drive.

341 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:50:07am

re: #326 Varek Raith

Diamonds Are Forever.

I'ma let you finish, but...

342 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:50:32am

re: #334 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can't stand Anime...

!

/:P

343 drcordell  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:51:55am

re: #323 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have not said I agree with her ideas. I have said that people are being unnecessarily cruel.

But cruelty is a sport to cowards on the internet. Anonymity makes people evil.

Yes, I think people who spout hatred toward anyone on the internet while remaining anonymous are cowards.

I have absolutely no qualms being what you deem "cruel" towards Sarah Palin. She is terrifyingly ignorant, yet was nearly VP, and has aspirations to become President. Her lies, Christianist/Theocratic leanings and hatespeech must continue to be exposed until she has ceased to have political operations.

She wants to play Beck or O'Reilly and blather on Fox News all day long? That's completely fine with me. But when she has her sights set upon the highest office of the nation that I love, I refuse to sit here silently.

344 jaunte  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:53:29am

Wanted: Logic Lessons for Talk Radio Hosts

An exchange I heard this morning on 950AM while driving to work in Houston: Joe "Pags' Pagliarulo, morning talker was engaging a caller he felt was a 'leftist knee-jerk supporter' of President Obama. They were discussing Sarah Palin's hand notes, and Pags was insisting to the caller (paraphrasing here) that writing notes on her hand simply made her 'look' dumb; she wasn't really dumb at all, and anyway, wasn't it so much worse that Obama needed a teleprompter whenever he spoke to a group? The caller (likely unaware of the President's recent exchange with the Republican leadership in Baltimore) responded to the effect that most presidents used a teleprompter when they spoke in public, but Pags was ready to destroy the point with a real zinger:

"President Bush wasn't using a teleprompter when he was reading a children's book to elementary school kids on the morning of 9/11!

345 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:54:29am

re: #342 Varek Raith

!

Snake? SNAAAKE!

346 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:55:43am

re: #345 laZardo

Snake? SNAAAKE!

Awesome game.

347 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:55:48am

All that criticism and this is what we got for that Tebow ad?

Much ado over not much. Somewhat funny. The criticism over the ad only increased the anticipation and the Focus on the Family got free publicity out of it. If you wanted to know what it was about, you were sent to the website.

348 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 7:59:50am

re: #342 Varek Raith

!

[Video]

/:P

I just saw that clip in another article last week.

Trial by Ordeal:


Absurd as these rituals sound, their intent wasn't torture. Torture will produce a confession from anyone, guilty or innocent, if it's sufficiently harsh and unrelenting. Ordeals, on the other hand, really were intended to separate the guilty from the innocent. A fun, provocative new paper (PDF) from George Mason University economist Peter Leeson, now visiting at the University of Chicago, makes a compelling argument that ordealists were also uncannily good at it.
...
Only the believing innocent, then, would actually subject themselves to the rituals, knowing that God would protect them. Here's where it gets fascinating: Leeson argues that the clergy who oversaw the ordeals knew this, and consequently rigged the process to ensure that the innocent passed the tests. A priest, for example, might ensure that the pot of water was less than scalding by the time the accused submerged his arm. With the hot iron test, he could temper the fires to keep the irons at a manageable temperature before the accused walked the nine paces. In both cases, priests could make liberal use of Holy Water, perhaps turning a ritualistic sprinkling into a dousing to protect the skin of the accused. The ordeals also often took place in large churches, where the congregation was well removed from the act, giving the priest some leeway to rig the test. In both cases, it was up to the priest to determine if the accused had been scalded to the point of guilt, again opening the system to manipulation.

[Link: reason.com...]

349 Lidane  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:03:06am

re: #343 drcordell

She wants to play Beck or O'Reilly and blather on Fox News all day long? That's completely fine with me. But when she has her sights set upon the highest office of the nation that I love, I refuse to sit here silently.

Exactly.

If all Sarah Palin wants is to make a quick buck and play at being like Beck and Limbaugh, there's nothing wrong with that. More power to her.

However, if she has any real plans on running in 2012, that's a whole other issue entirely. At that point, her vapidity and her ignorance of the issues has to be exposed. If she's going to be a candidate, she has to expect that type of scrutiny and criticism.

350 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:04:20am

re: #347 lawhawk

All that criticism and this is what we got for that Tebow ad?


[Video]Much ado over not much. Somewhat funny. The criticism over the ad only increased the anticipation and the Focus on the Family got free publicity out of it. If you wanted to know what it was about, you were sent to the website.

I had to watch it 3 times to see what the big hubub was about and couldn't find anything. Some are still steamed about the ad though.

...

NOW president Terry O'Neill said it glorified violence against women. "I am blown away at the celebration of the violence against women in it," she said. "That's what comes across to me even more strongly than the anti-abortion message. I myself am a survivor of domestic violence, and I don't find it charming. I think CBS should be ashamed of itself."

...

351 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:05:56am

re: #342 Varek Raith

I also confess that I've never seen any Monty Python movies.

352 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:06:32am

re: #343 drcordell

Upding for "terrifyingly ignorant". That's probably the best two words to describe her. Not stupid, not evil. Just very very ignorant, and frighteningly so, the notion that we endure the merest possibility of her being elected the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth.

Not to be a buzzkill or anything. ;-)

353 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:07:32am

re: #300 keloyd

But, Vidal can certainly write. Putting thoughts into diamond-quality prose is more impressive than the thoughts themselves, for many impressionable people.

354 ggt  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:08:03am

re: #350 NJDhockeyfan

Hyper-sensitive people can't see humor in anything. Sometimes people who have been thru trauma/abuse can't draw the line between normal behavior and abusive behavior. They need counselling.

355 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:09:16am

re: #350 NJDhockeyfan

I think Focus on the Family are the new KKK because of the things they've said about gay people, and even I don't really see the big deal about this ad. I'm really soft on pro-life people, the loonies I don't want any part of, but there's a principled pro-life stance one can take. I don't agree with it, but it's intellectually sound.

356 ggt  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:09:17am

re: #350 NJDhockeyfan

I didn't even see an anti-abortion message.

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:09:38am

re: #352 WindUpBird
re: #343 drcordell

Which way did you vote during the last election?

Did you think President Bush was an idiot?

358 Aye Pod  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:10:24am

Meanwhile, back in the UK : Growing anger at BNP exploiting veterans

Griffin and Darby claim they have the support of Britain’s Armed Forces and believe that by cloaking themselves in the honour of our brave soldiers and veterans it will help to de-toxify their brand. However, ever since our Stolen Valour campaign the British electorate have publicly stated they don’t appreciate their Armed Forces being crudely politicised.

Griffin & co should cease and desist.

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:10:56am

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Intellectual honesty interests me.

360 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:11:12am

re: #358 Jimmah

Meanwhile, back in the UK : Growing anger at BNP exploiting veterans

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Recommend'd.

361 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:12:22am

Good Morning Lizards!

362 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:13:04am

re: #315 Varek Raith

Avatar change test.

Like it. That guy also played Julius Caesar in the BBC productions of Shakespeare's plays.

363 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:13:37am

re: #353 The Sanity Inspector

But, Vidal can certainly write. Putting thoughts into diamond-quality prose is more impressive than the thoughts themselves, for many impressionable people.

Would you read the thoughts of someone who could barely spell, no matter how profound?

Vidal is sorta like the band Dream Theater. There's a tremendous amount of skill and mental horsepower, and perhaps a fundamental lack of artistic resonance, because of a fondness of making art to suit one's skills, as oppsed to using one's skills to make art. Lots of practiced language, fantastic wordplay, and ultimately a bit empty. Give me William S Burroughs any day. Burroughs' works are as real as a $100 steak, as real as a car crash. Vicious, beautiful, and substantive.

I love Vidal's writing style, though. I like nasty smart people who write novels and snark for a living. And I love Mike Portnoy's drumming. I just don't listen to much Dream Theater anymore. :-)

364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:14:00am
365 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:14:55am

re: #300 keloyd

Gore Vidal got wealth and "respect" of the chattering classes writing gay porn 50 years ago

My God.

Gore Vidal invented the animé fangirl.

366 ggt  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:14:59am

Girl Scout cookies are a great symbol of America. In fact, Girl Scout Cookies continue to be one of the most requested items by Soldiers.

You can now support your local girl scout, guilt free! Buy the cookies and instead of trying to hide them in the back of your freezer, you can send them to the troops.

I got 4 boxes of those peanut butter thingys.

367 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:15:24am

re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Going for a drive...

Watch out for the Green Police!

[see my #330]

368 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:15:34am

re: #357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #343 drcordell

Which way did you vote during the last election?

Did you think President Bush was an idiot?

I vote Democrat for president, I always have.

I did not think Bush was an idiot. at all. I thought he was a bit incurious, a very savvy politician, but sort of let his cabinet tell him what to do. Not because he's stupid, but because there was a lot of Vietnam-era major horsepower in his cabinet and you know, all those guys, if they all agree on something, they must know what they're talking about, right?

369 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:16:34am

re: #366 ggt

Girl Scout cookies are a great symbol of America. In fact, Girl Scout Cookies continue to be one of the most requested items by Soldiers.

You can now support your local girl scout, guilt free! Buy the cookies and instead of trying to hide them in the back of your freezer, you can send them to the troops.

I got 4 boxes of those peanut butter thingys.

Girl scout cookies are subtly misogynist reminders of the male chauvinist establishment that women are only bound to the kitchen!

/

//sometimes I think the most macho people on the internet are actually butch lesbians.

370 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:17:16am

re: #365 laZardo

My God.

Gore Vidal invented the animé fangirl.

And perfected by the Japanese. On the internet, narrowcast fetishism is a growth industry. The number of people who make a living off drawing one thing over and over, it grows every day.

371 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:18:32am

re: #369 laZardo

Girl scout cookies are subtly misogynist reminders of the male chauvinist establishment that women are only bound to the kitchen!

/

//sometimes I think the most macho people on the internet are actually butch lesbians.

Girl Scout Thin Mints. I think they put heroin in them, they're so addictive.

372 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:18:59am

re: #370 WindUpBird

And perfected by the Japanese. On the internet, narrowcast fetishism is a growth industry. The number of people who make a living off drawing one thing over and over, it grows every day.

Even if you count fan-art as one category, when you include my portfolio site I guess that'd make me a dying breed. ;_;

373 ggt  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:19:35am

re: #369 laZardo

Girl scout cookies are subtly misogynist reminders of the male chauvinist establishment that women are only bound to the kitchen!

/

//sometimes I think the most macho people on the internet are actually butch lesbians.

They go camping just so they can learn how to serve their husbands when they go as a family later in life.

/

374 darthstar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:21:27am

re: #260 RogueOne

You dropped by to let us know you were naked and about to bathe? thanks/

I like being nekkid. ;)

I did drop by to say more, but remembered I had to get to work early for a meeting, hence my thinking out loud about jumping in the tub...

375 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:21:38am

re: #372 laZardo

Even if you count fan-art as one category, when you include my portfolio site I guess that'd make me a dying breed. ;_;

Oh nice! I think we have interests in common. I'll show you my art, but I ain't linking it here! :D

376 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:21:53am

re: #347 lawhawk

All that criticism and this is what we got for that Tebow ad?


[Video]Much ado over not much. Somewhat funny. The criticism over the ad only increased the anticipation and the Focus on the Family got free publicity out of it. If you wanted to know what it was about, you were sent to the website.

The Nation stood its ground, insisting on the outrageousness of the ad, because Focus on the Family is Teh Anathema to all sentient life.

I think the spot was a nice illustration of the bumpersticker:
"Life. What a Beautiful Choice"

377 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:21:57am

re: #373 ggt

They go camping just so they can learn how to serve their husbands when they go as a family later in life.

/

Those uniforms are demeaning and impress on them the idea that they're vulnerable...effectively the weaker sex!

/

378 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:22:30am

re: #362 The Sanity Inspector

He also appears in another Bond film, _You Only Live Twice_. He's an Englishman living in Japan and gets knifed in the back when Bond visits him to get information. Not to mention his notable role in _Rocky Horror Picture Show_. ;)

379 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:22:31am

I read James Rollins' new book "Altar of Eden" over the weekend. What a freaking disappointment. It's totally plagiarized from The Island of Dr. Moreau

380 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:22:57am

re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Going for a drive...

Oh, right. Bye!

381 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:23:43am

re: #375 WindUpBird

Oh nice! I think we have interests in common. I'll show you my art, but I ain't linking it here! :D

Good for you. >_>

382 ggt  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:24:23am

I read Caves of Steel by Issaac Asimov.

Definitely, NOT, a disappointment.

383 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:24:43am

re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Going for a drive...

Happy now?

384 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:24:47am

re: #379 Alouette

I read that as Henry Rollins and I went WAIT WHAT


But are there cool animal beastie dudes running around in it like IoDM?

385 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:25:00am

re: #381 laZardo

Good for you. >_>

Sent you mail :D

386 ggt  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:25:26am

Going to start my day. Have a good one all!

387 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:26:01am

re: #386 ggt


you, likewise! :)

388 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:27:44am

re: #136 ryannon

Not so far-fetched. Sigh.

I saw the exact same thing happen to the unique woman candidate in the last French presidential elections. Politically and intellectually, Segolene Royal is the opposite of a Sarah Palin, but curiously the same shit started raining down. At first, I attributed it to deep-seated Latin misogyny, but the hate was so strong that there had to be even more - and even more inavowable reasons. She did manage to run a relatively close second to Sarkozy, which given the campaign of disinformation that had been mounted against her, was nothing short of miraculous.

My father adored 'Sego'. Which is odd, because Sarkozy is far more to his taste politically--but she's a hot woman in his general age bracket, and he thought she was the cat's meow, socialist or no.

389 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:28:15am

re: #386 ggt

Going to start my day. Have a good one all!

I haven't been to sleep yet. You daywalkers are weird.

390 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:28:31am

Friends/co-workers in southwestern PA have been without power/heat since Friday night. And they have more snow expected in the next 48 hours. That sort of effect from this system in most of the Midwest, or just in a couple of spots? (Places further east got snow in that amounts, but I haven't heard as much about power outages.)

Also looks like the follow-up storm system is plastering Arkansas fiercely at this point.

391 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:29:14am

re: #389 WindUpBird

I haven't been to sleep yet. You daywalkers are weird.

Haven't bee to sleep, either. The damn sun's reflection off of the snow is utterly blinding to my eyes.

392 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:29:44am

re: #391 Varek Raith

Haven't been to sleep, either. The damn sun's reflection off of the snow is utterly blinding to my eyes.


PIMF...?

393 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:29:45am

re: #390 oaktree

Friends/co-workers in southwestern PA have been without power/heat since Friday night. And they have more snow expected in the next 48 hours. That sort of effect from this system in most of the Midwest, or just in a couple of spots? (Places further east got snow in that amounts, but I haven't heard as much about power outages.)

Also looks like the follow-up storm system is plastering Arkansas fiercely at this point.

It's all George Bush's fault!
//

394 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:31:56am

re: #385 WindUpBird

Sent you mail :D

Watched. 0:

395 darthstar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:31:57am

When you've lost Andrea Mitchell, you know your credibility is taking a hit:

Of course, listen to tool Chuck Todd toward the end say that there is a different set of rules for Palin...as if he accepts it.

396 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:31:58am

Hmmm, it appears that DF has parked his SSD in low orbit...Way to scare the locals!
/;)

397 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:32:30am

re: #393 NJDhockeyfan

Sure it's not G-d's wrath on Arkansas for hosting Bill and Hillary for years and years? (if your bend is more liberal, it's punishing Walmart for their abuse of the worker and small business owner.)

//+1

398 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:34:57am

re: #390 oaktree

Friends/co-workers in southwestern PA have been without power/heat since Friday night. And they have more snow expected in the next 48 hours. That sort of effect from this system in most of the Midwest, or just in a couple of spots? (Places further east got snow in that amounts, but I haven't heard as much about power outages.)

Also looks like the follow-up storm system is plastering Arkansas fiercely at this point.

My heart goes out to them. I haven't had a snow storm knock out power for multiple days since I lived in Seattle, and that was like 10 years ago. I seem to remember we made use of the fireplace in our rental house, I also seem to remember a rusted out but still awesome RWD manual transmission 1980 Toyota Celica used to great effect in the snows that blanketed South King County and turned it into a frozen hellscape.

There's something magical and frightening about really crazy snow in the Northwest. it happens rarely, so all my memories of it are laser focused. It might as well be a rain of toads. I feel bad for people who are so used to snow that it's just a yearly drudge. For me, I see bad snow just enough that it's really interesting and unusual.

399 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:35:07am

re: #388 SanFranciscoZionist

My father adored 'Sego'. Which is odd, because Sarkozy is far more to his taste politically--but she's a hot woman in his general age bracket, and he thought she was the cat's meow, socialist or no.

She is hot - in a very tasteful and subdued French way, but above all, brilliant. Her intelligence is much more 'synthetic' (connecting apparently unrelated dots) than Cartesian (A + B + C). This form of analysis and perception is something I generally identify as feminine in opposition to purely masculine 'logic' - in which I no longer have much confidence. And yes, I'm a guy.

400 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:35:36am

Last night someone was mentioning that they weren't able to get a joyride in a jet fighter. Next time, shop here.

401 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:35:46am

re: #394 laZardo

Watched. 0:

haha, God help you! That username opens a lot of doors. Some of which really shouldn't be opened. ;-)

402 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:37:11am

re: #395 darthstar

The different set of rules for Palin are the equivalent of an Escher painting. Waterfalls flow in reverse, men march into non-euclidean space, up and down staircases that bend into impossible moebius strips. :D

403 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:37:40am

re: #401 WindUpBird

haha, God help you! That username opens a lot of doors. Some of which really shouldn't be opened. ;-)

In the meantime you oughta stop by the Political Forum. We have cake, and that is no lie.

404 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:39:49am

Six months ago, network executives were complaining that the White House was costing them tens of millions of dollars by pressing them to carry presidential news conferences in prime time.
Problem solved: President Obama hasn't held a full-scale news conference since July. Instead, he answered a dozen people's questions last week on YouTube, most of them easily finessed and -- extra bonus! -- no annoying follow-ups of the kind posed by real, live journalists.

seems pretty obvious BO does not want to answer for his inept leadership...with the failure of HC Reform the campaign is over

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

405 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:40:14am

re: #402 WindUpBird

Bonus points for the Escher and Möbius strip references.

406 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:40:24am

A friend of mine came over last night with his son to watch the SB. His son has been in Israel studying Hebrew in preparation to join the IDF in November. How cool is that?

407 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:41:11am

re: #406 NJDhockeyfan

A friend of mine came over last night with his son to watch the SB. His son has been in Israel studying Hebrew in preparation to join the IDF in November. How cool is that?

very much cool...go IDF!...get some!

408 darthstar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:43:13am

re: #406 NJDhockeyfan

A friend of mine came over last night with his son to watch the SB. His son has been in Israel studying Hebrew in preparation to join the IDF in November. How cool is that?

I had a former student do a two year stint with the IDF in the early 90s. He never came home. Best of luck to your friend's son.

409 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:43:29am

re: #407 albusteve

very much cool...go IDF!...get some!

He's headed back today. He is bringing packs of taco seasoning mix & blocks of cheddar cheese back with him. Apparently they are hard to find in Tel Aviv.

410 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:44:20am

Memo to Gov. Paterson. When your aides are about to walk the plank because they'd rather not go down with your political fortunes, you're in deep trouble. They see the deal to build a casino in NYC at Aqueduct with a small-time gaming company whose only casino operation experience is in Elko, Nevada, a troubling indictment given that the big players like Pinnacle, MGM, Wynn, etc. weren't involved. What major casino company wouldn't want to get a foothold in the biggest US market? Yet, Navegante did? Curious. Very curious - and who are those politically connected that made this deal happened?

411 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:44:23am

re: #408 darthstar

I had a former student do a two year stint with the IDF in the early 90s. He never came home. Best of luck to your friend's son.

TY. He is so excited. His mom is understandably a bit worried though.

412 ryannon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:44:27am

re: #402 WindUpBird

The different set of rules for Palin are the equivalent of an Escher painting. Waterfalls flow in reverse, men march into non-euclidean space, up and down staircases that bend into impossible moebius strips. :D

She sounds like the perfect politician.

413 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:45:15am

re: #398 WindUpBird

The thing about heavy snowfalls in the Northeast is that the level of preparation seems to never quite keep up. Walter has remarked about the panic factor the media spits out about it when a heavy storm is forecast -- which is often child's play in comparison to what he is seeing in Colorado. These storms are not massively out of the ordinary, but too many seem to not be able, or willing, to make the proper emergency preparations to ride one out with less fuss. (Power/heat outages aside, there's still some things one can do to ride it out easier, lose less food, etc.)

The fact that the areas are heavily populated with a large number of people commuting a noticeable distance is certainly a factor. And I think these storms generate a greater death toll in the Midwest than they do in the Northeast. (Caveat: Not researched - that's just an opinion. I expect that the media reporting just doesn't trace it as heavily in the Northeast since the casualties are probably people keeling over while shoveling as compared to getting isolated and freezing to death.)

414 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:45:20am

Mr. Geithner's chastising of AIG for its bonuses borders on the surreal, for it was he who, as president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, oversaw the AIG bailout. He was the one in a position to do what any lender of last resort could do - negotiate concessions from AIG in exchange for the dole-out.

Geithner is a total dolt...and he works for this total dolt

"Like it or not, we have to have a financial system that is healthy and functioning," President Obama told Senate Democrats on Wednesday.

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

415 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:46:47am

re: #396 Varek Raith

Hmmm, it appears that DF has parked his SSD in low orbit...Way to scare the locals!
/;)

Hi, Varek! Sorry I've been lurking. There's a corporate audit going on at my store so I've been busy ironing my work clothes. I'm not sure it'll matter, and even though I haven't done anything wrong, I'm going in prepared to be fired. Auditors fire for small things and sadly, I create small things sometimes.

416 laZardo  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:46:55am

Nearly 1 AM. Wow, time flies.

This is KLZD, signing off.

417 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:47:21am
418 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:47:34am

re: #415 Dark_Falcon

Hi, Varek! Sorry I've been lurking. There's a corporate audit going on at my store so I've been busy ironing my work clothes. I'm not sure it'll matter, and even though I haven't done anything wrong, I'm going in prepared to be fired. Auditors fire for small things and sadly, I create small things sometimes.

Best of luck, my friend!

419 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:48:05am

re: #417 NJDhockeyfan

Is Dinnerjacket going on a Devo tour?

THE DEVO MATRIX HAS YOU11!!1

420 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:48:31am

re: #403 laZardo

In the meantime you oughta stop by the Political Forum. We have cake, and that is no lie.

I remember tangling with people there! That was years ago, I should check it out again...

421 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:48:41am

re: #409 NJDhockeyfan

I've mailed a box of packets to an American expatriate in Amsterdam. Taco seasoning, ranch dressing mix, and the cheese sauce packets from Kraft mac&cheese (didn't mail the pasta, why waste the weight.)

Foodstuff oddities between regions amuse me in general. Interesting to visit my brother since the kitchen supplies are a mix of standard (roughly) US and Chinese kitchen necessities. (Sister-in-law is from Malaysia.)

422 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:49:11am

re: #415 Dark_Falcon

Hi, Varek! Sorry I've been lurking. There's a corporate audit going on at my store so I've been busy ironing my work clothes. I'm not sure it'll matter, and even though I haven't done anything wrong, I'm going in prepared to be fired. Auditors fire for small things and sadly, I create small things sometimes.

Agh. :( I wish you luck.

423 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:49:57am

re: #412 ryannon

She sounds like the perfect politician.

She tore a hole in timespace. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, GOVERNOR

424 SasyMomaCat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:51:00am

re: #415 Dark_Falcon

Here's wishing you the best - good luck with the auditors and may they be in a good mood today.

425 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:51:17am

We had a conversation a week or so ago about using the word "we" instead of "I".

Do You Refer to Yourselves as “We” in a Couple?


UC Berkeley researchers analyzed conversations between 154 middle-aged and older couples about points of disagreement in their marriages and found that those who used pronouns such as “we,” “our” and “us” behaved more positively toward one another and showed less physiological stress.

In contrast, couples who emphasized their “separateness” by using pronouns such as “I,” “me” and “you” were found to be less satisfied in their marriages. This was especially true for older couples.

Their use of separateness pronouns was most strongly linked to unhappy marriages, according to the study.

[Link: psychcentral.com...]

426 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:51:29am

re: #422 WindUpBird

Agh. :( I wish you luck.

I'll probably be all right but I'm going to be badly stressed today.

427 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:52:05am

re: #426 Dark_Falcon

I'll probably be all right but I'm going to be badly stressed today.

What kind of store, if you don't mind me asking?

428 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:52:17am

re: #413 oaktree

Storms that hit the Northeast hit a far greater number of people, so the sheer number of those affected is several times larger than a storm that dumps a similar amount of snow over the Rockies, or even the Great Lakes (go downwind of Lake Ontario or Erie and you can get several feet of snow in a routine lake effect storm) but that's highly localized.

No'reasters can paralyze tens of millions of people - disrupting power, transportation, etc. for days. Some cities do a better job of storm prep than others.

DC and Philly are notorious for being awful at snow removal. NYC has gotten real good at it - and they've got more than 1,000 plows to clear streets and a policy on hand to clear all streets within a specific time frame.

Some of the media hysterics come from the fact that NYC is the media capital and many simply don't know that other parts of the country can see these kinds of amounts without the kinds of problems we get here. DC is about as far as you can get from Denver in terms of snow quantities and attitude towards snowfall totals.

As far as casualties are reported - major storm events on the East Coast will likely cause more deaths from shoveling and even driving accidents simply because of the total population affected, not necessarily a higher percentage than any other similar accumulating snowfall elsewhere.

429 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:53:06am

re: #417 NJDhockeyfan

Nope. They just visited Willy Wonka's factory.

430 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:54:34am

re: #429 lawhawk

Nope. They just visited Willy Wonka's factory.


[Video]

That explains it. Dinnerjacket is an Oompaloompa!

431 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 8:56:31am

re: #427 Varek Raith

What kind of store, if you don't mind me asking?

Mobile phone sales and repair.

432 Learned Mother of Zion  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:00:16am

re: #384 WindUpBird

I read that as Henry Rollins and I went WAIT WHAT

But are there cool animal beastie dudes running around in it like IoDM?

Yeah, and it's on a freaking tropical island inhabited by mad scientists.

That's what gave me a clue.

433 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:02:14am

re: #431 Dark_Falcon

I need to get my blackberry fixed. The charger dongle thingy broke.

It's been kind of relaxing just having an office phone and skype, honestly.

434 Buck  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:02:50am

re: #112 Irish Rose

I know that, Mandy.

I love LGF, and I love many of the friends that I've made here over the years.
I'll be back if the climate changes and the targeting and trashing of good people ceases.

Until then, no.

Was that a "climate change" joke?

435 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:04:14am

re: #433 Obdicut

I need to get my blackberry fixed. The charger dongle thingy broke.

It's been kind of relaxing just having an office phone and skype, honestly.

The charger itself or the port? It makes a difference.

436 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:06:41am

And while Assad stopped short of saying that Syria would attack Israel in case of war with Hezbollah, his statement, released in Syria's official media outlet, creates expectations in the Arab world, particularly in Lebanon and Syria, that Syria would actively join the fight rather than just send arms to Hezbollah.

ME gangbangers picking sides...Syria is gonna express it's military prowess...haha!

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

437 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:07:57am

re: #415 Dark_Falcon

Hi, Varek! Sorry I've been lurking. There's a corporate audit going on at my store so I've been busy ironing my work clothes. I'm not sure it'll matter, and even though I haven't done anything wrong, I'm going in prepared to be fired. Auditors fire for small things and sadly, I create small things sometimes.

{{DF}}

438 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:08:09am

re: #435 Dark_Falcon

The port itself broke. It's loose as hell.

439 charlz  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:09:36am

re: #428 lawhawk

DC and Philly are notorious for being awful at snow removal. NYC has gotten real good at it - and they've got more than 1,000 plows to clear streets and a policy on hand to clear all streets within a specific time frame.

The DC area doesn't get these storms often enough to invest in serious snow removal equipment. They sent out 3/4 ton pickups to do my NoVa suburb this morning. Two of them are stuck on my street right now!

440 Kragar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:10:10am

re: #438 Obdicut

The port itself broke. It's loose as hell.

in bed.

441 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:11:45am

Britain 'seriously concerned' after Iran snubs West and upgrades nuclear fuel

snooz

[Link: thescotsman.scotsman.com...]

442 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:12:23am

re: #425 RogueOne

We had a conversation a week or so ago about using the word "we" instead of "I".

Do You Refer to Yourselves as “We” in a Couple?

[Link: psychcentral.com...]

We never talk anymore...

443 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:13:17am

re: #441 albusteve

Britain 'seriously concerned' after Iran snubs West and upgrades nuclear fuel

snooz

[Link: thescotsman.scotsman.com...]

On the threat level chart, does that come before or after "deeply troubled"?!?!?

444 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:13:19am

re: #436 albusteve

And while Assad stopped short of saying that Syria would attack Israel in case of war with Hezbollah, his statement, released in Syria's official media outlet, creates expectations in the Arab world, particularly in Lebanon and Syria, that Syria would actively join the fight rather than just send arms to Hezbollah.

ME gangbangers picking sides...Syria is gonna express it's military prowess...haha!

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

And Syria will get its ass kicked by Israel once again. Then we'll be treated to Assad screaming about how 'victimized' his nation was. When it's the Arabs vs. Israel, the Arabs always have the meter spiked:

445 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:14:09am

re: #441 albusteve

Britain 'seriously concerned' after Iran snubs West and upgrades nuclear fuel

snooz

[Link: thescotsman.scotsman.com...]

And folks who think its fine for Iran to have nukes because we have nukes and we toppled their government in 1953...well they should have no problem with living in Tel Aviv after the Mullah Bomb goes live.

446 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:15:23am

WASHINGTON — President Obama said Sunday that he would convene a half-day bipartisan health care session at the White House to be televised live this month, a high-profile gambit that will allow Americans to watch as Democrats and Republicans try to break their political impasse.


let's have a summit!...brilliant!...BO is such a goofball


[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

447 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:15:55am

re: #438 Obdicut

The port itself broke. It's loose as hell.

In that case, you should probably call your phone insurance, if you have it. Stores can't fix damage like that, the port is soldered onto the main circuit board. Thus if it is entirely off the board, RIM consideres that physical damage and won't provide a warranty replacement.

448 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:16:28am

re: #344 jaunte

Wanted: Logic Lessons for Talk Radio Hosts

An exchange I heard this morning on 950AM while driving to work in Houston: Joe "Pags' Pagliarulo, morning talker was engaging a caller he felt was a 'leftist knee-jerk supporter' of President Obama. They were discussing Sarah Palin's hand notes, and Pags was insisting to the caller (paraphrasing here) that writing notes on her hand simply made her 'look' dumb; she wasn't really dumb at all, and anyway, wasn't it so much worse that Obama needed a teleprompter whenever he spoke to a group? The caller (likely unaware of the President's recent exchange with the Republican leadership in Baltimore) responded to the effect that most presidents used a teleprompter when they spoke in public, but Pags was ready to destroy the point with a real zinger:

"President Bush wasn't using a teleprompter when he was reading a children's book to elementary school kids on the morning of 9/11!

I have to say, that is probably true. And leave it at that.

449 Varek Raith  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:16:43am

BBT! Laterz!
:)

450 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:16:47am

re: #446 albusteve

WASHINGTON — President Obama said Sunday that he would convene a half-day bipartisan health care session at the White House to be televised live this month, a high-profile gambit that will allow Americans to watch as Democrats and Republicans try to break their political impasse.

let's have a summit!...brilliant!...BO is such a goofball

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

A summit would be a good idea if both sides were willing to listen. But since this is DC...

451 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:18:24am

re: #446 albusteve

WASHINGTON — President Obama said Sunday that he would convene a half-day bipartisan health care session at the White House to be televised live this month, a high-profile gambit that will allow Americans to watch as Democrats and Republicans try to break their political impasse.


let's have a summit!...brilliant!...BO is such a goofball


[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Well, the beer summit was a success!!

452 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:18:42am

re: #436 albusteve

I don't buy that Syria's going to risk getting its military capabilities dismembered in a fight started by Hizbullah against the Israeli military. If the Israelis see Syrian regular army units involved in a fight, the Israelis will take the fight to Damascus; Hizbullah would become the sideshow as Israel lets Assad know that his calculations are fatally flawed.

No, I see Syria doing as it has done in the past 30 years; let some other poor schmuck die for the "cause" while Syria claims that they're supporting the "cause".

453 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:19:36am

re: #447 Dark_Falcon

Thanks! I know a guy that is a jailbreaker and otherwise handy with direct electronics, and he thinks he can fix it. No fix, no charge.

It's just a hand-me-down from my fiancee, I won't be too sad if it dies. Not exactly my favorite piece of tech.

I'm a cellphone salesman's worst nightmare: I want a cheap phone with no other functionality other than calling and texting.

Any recommendations for a high-quality 'just a phone' phone?

454 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:19:56am

Afghan Official Held for Alleged Aiding Taliban

KABUL—Afghan authorities said Monday they had arrested a district administrator who was allegedly feeding information to the Taliban on movements of Afghan and coalition forces in a northern part of the country where insurgent attacks have increased over the past year.

The administrator, who goes by the single name Aminullah, was detained Thursday by Afghanistan's intelligence service, the National Security Directorate, said Abdul Ghani Sabery, deputy governor of northern Badghis province, where the arrest took place.

He is the second official arrested in the past week; a senior police officer was arrested on Sunday in central Afghanistan by North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces for allegedly aiding the Taliban.

455 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:21:09am

re: #452 lawhawk

I don't buy that Syria's going to risk getting its military capabilities dismembered in a fight started by Hizbullah against the Israeli military. If the Israelis see Syrian regular army units involved in a fight, the Israelis will take the fight to Damascus; Hizbullah would become the sideshow as Israel lets Assad know that his calculations are fatally flawed.

No, I see Syria doing as it has done in the past 30 years; let some other poor schmuck die for the "cause" while Syria claims that they're supporting the "cause".

Quite Concur about what would happen. But Assad is young enough and butthurt enough that he might be willing to take a swing at Israel. He'll regret it if he does, of course.

456 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:21:17am

re: #450 Dark_Falcon

A summit would be a good idea if both sides were willing to listen. But since this is DC...

yes, after a year of failed leadership and an awful bill that can't get out of it's own way, BO hands the ball off to a...Summit!...genius!

457 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:21:40am

re: #453 Obdicut

Thanks! I know a guy that is a jailbreaker and otherwise handy with direct electronics, and he thinks he can fix it. No fix, no charge.

It's just a hand-me-down from my fiancee, I won't be too sad if it dies. Not exactly my favorite piece of tech.

I'm a cellphone salesman's worst nightmare: I want a cheap phone with no other functionality other than calling and texting.

Any recommendations for a high-quality 'just a phone' phone?

What carrier are you with?

458 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:21:46am

re: #446 albusteve

Double edged - for Obama it's an effective showing of leadership and an attempt to reset the health care debate (would have been much more useful had he done so within the first 100 days of his administration last year avoiding so much of the crap spewed by the Reid-Pelosicare proposals). It would show that the GOP actually has a plan (and some of their proposals could get in to a health care bill).

And it might mean that some adjustment to health care delivery actually gets done.

459 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:22:56am

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

T-mobile.

460 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:23:30am

re: #452 lawhawk

I don't buy that Syria's going to risk getting its military capabilities dismembered in a fight started by Hizbullah against the Israeli military. If the Israelis see Syrian regular army units involved in a fight, the Israelis will take the fight to Damascus; Hizbullah would become the sideshow as Israel lets Assad know that his calculations are fatally flawed.

No, I see Syria doing as it has done in the past 30 years; let some other poor schmuck die for the "cause" while Syria claims that they're supporting the "cause".

agreed, they pretend to be on the team when in reality they are just the water boy...in a flat out brawl, they are just an afterthought imo

461 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:23:46am

Special forces assassins infiltrate Taliban stronghold in Afghanistan

AMERICAN and British troops poised to assault the Taliban stronghold of Marjah have begun targeting insurgent leaders for assassination.

Military sources said special forces had been infiltrating the town on “kinetic” missions — jargon for armed attacks. “Special forces guys have been going in on assassination missions with the aim of decapitating the Taliban force,” one said.

462 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:24:25am

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. Assad has now been in power for a decade. He's no spring chicken and probably learned a few lessons from his forays into Lebanese political manipulation and the last Hizbullah war. Israel has already whacked one of his nuclear facilities and continues to show that they can penetrate Syrian airspace at will. He's probably a bit more cautious, although his advisers may push him to take a more aggressive stance - but at the end of the day he's going to be about saving his own skin and will let Hizbullah be someone else's problems - Iran.

463 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:24:45am

re: #460 albusteve

agreed, they pretend to be on the team when in reality they are just the water boy...in a flat out brawl, they are just an afterthought imo

Their military is only good for keeping the top cats in power. Arabs don't really believe in their nations, which is why they make such lousy armies. But they do believe in their tribes and religion, which is why they make such tenacious insurgents and terrorists.

464 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:24:47am

re: #456 albusteve

yes, after a year of failed leadership and an awful bill that can't get out of it's own way, BO hands the ball off to a...Summit!...genius!

That's why I don't think it'll work either. I think Obama expects he can swing things around with his hope-n-change powers. Won't work.

465 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:25:56am

re: #458 lawhawk

Double edged - for Obama it's an effective showing of leadership and an attempt to reset the health care debate (would have been much more useful had he done so within the first 100 days of his administration last year avoiding so much of the crap spewed by the Reid-Pelosicare proposals). It would show that the GOP actually has a plan (and some of their proposals could get in to a health care bill).

And it might mean that some adjustment to health care delivery actually gets done.

maybe...sounds like a last ditch effort that might backfire too...exposing the fumbling, bumbling donks for what they are...inept political card sharks

466 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:26:15am

re: #461 NJDhockeyfan

Special forces assassins infiltrate Taliban stronghold in Afghanistan

And they announced this offensive in advance why? According to Fox, it's because they want to give the civilians time to clear out. It's obvious what will happen instead.

467 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:26:41am

re: #463 The Sanity Inspector

Their military is only good for keeping the top cats in power. Arabs don't really believe in their nations, which is why they make such lousy armies. But they do believe in their tribes and religion, which is why they make such tenacious insurgents and terrorists.

The exception is Jordan, which wholly accepted the British military tradition. As a result, Jordanian troops gave Israel the hardest fights, while remaining loyal to their kings.

468 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:27:10am

Christian teacher 'forced out' after complaining Muslim pupils praised 9/11 hijackers 'as heroes'

A Christian teacher told today how he lost his job after complaining that Muslim pupils as young as eight hailed the September 11 hijackers as 'heroes'.

Nicholas Kafouris said he was forced from his £30,000-a-year post because he would not tolerate the 'racist' and 'anti-Semitic' behaviour of children.

He said the predominantly Muslim youngsters openly praised Islamic extremists in class, and hailed the terrorists of the 2001 atrocities as 'martyrs'.

Mr Kafouris, 40, told how one pupil said to him, ‘Don’t touch me, you’re a Christian’, when the teacher accidentally brushed against him with his arm.

Others said, ‘We want to be Islamic bombers when we grow up', and 'the Christians and Jews are our enemies, you too because you're a Christian', he added.

Mr Kafouris, who had taught at Bigland Green Primary School, in Tower Hamlets, East London, for 12 years, said there was a change in attitude of pupils at the school - where the majority of pupils are Muslim - after the World Trade Center attacks.

469 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:27:17am

re: #459 Obdicut

T-mobile.

Motorola's successor to the RAZR is solid. I can't remember what it's called right now, but I have one. It's cheap, semi-durable, and reliable.

470 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:28:26am

re: #462 lawhawk

I disagree. Assad has now been in power for a decade. He's no spring chicken and probably learned a few lessons from his forays into Lebanese political manipulation and the last Hizbullah war. Israel has already whacked one of his nuclear facilities and continues to show that they can penetrate Syrian airspace at will. He's probably a bit more cautious, although his advisers may push him to take a more aggressive stance - but at the end of the day he's going to be about saving his own skin and will let Hizbullah be someone else's problems - Iran.

Iran is the bulls eye...everybody knows it...I'd love to see Israel call them out and have the USAF pounce at the same time...if something like happened, Syria would be huddled in a corner pissing itself...imo

471 The Sanity Inspector  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:28:36am

re: #467 Dark_Falcon

The exception is Jordan, which wholly accepted the British military tradition. As a result, Jordanian troops gave Israel the hardest fights, while remaining loyal to their kings.

You're right, I'd forgotten about the influence of Sir John Bagot Glubb.

472 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:28:59am

re: #466 The Sanity Inspector

And they announced this offensive in advance why? According to Fox, it's because they want to give the civilians time to clear out. It's obvious what will happen instead.

No, it isn't. The Taliban are not very good at ambushing our forces and the SAS and Delta Force are the best troops in the world at turning an ambush. Moreover, it is considered more important to avoid civilian casualties than to kill Talib leaders.

473 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:29:30am

Morning all! If the president wishes to hold a summit, I wish he'd ask everyone to define terms before they start. Maybe I could give them a suggestion.

Stop interchanging - when it suits your purpose (Republican or Democrat) the following terms:

Health Care
Medical Care
Health Insurance
Health Care Reform

The bottom line is to try to bring the cost of something down. What?

Health Insurance? Why? That's not the bottom line here.
Health Care? What, exactly, is health "care"?

Nope. The costs we are - or should be - concerned with are those associated with "Medical Care". Doctors, nurses, hospitals, clinics, pharmaceuticals, medical devices, and so on.

The discussion now isn't about Health Care (or Medical Care) - it's about insurance reform, and the fact is, insurance is simply one way to PAY for Medical Care. The proposals now on the table aren't designed to curb the increase in "costs", merely to restructure how those costs are covered.

Cutting Medicare funding, for example, does nothing to reduce the costs of the medical care it is designed to cover, it simply reduces the likelihood that that medical care will be available to Medicare recipients.

Scrap this health "care" reform nonsense and start analyzing what can reasonably be done to bring down the COST of MEDICAL care.

474 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:29:58am

re: #472 Dark_Falcon

I hope somebody checks under the burka. Lets not have another cross dressing Taliban escape.

475 Ericus58  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:30:02am

747-8 First Flight scheduled today.

[Link: videowm.boeing.com...]

[Link: www.boeing.com...]

476 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:30:42am

re: #468 NJDhockeyfan

Is there any confirmation of the story other than the guy who's alleging it?

Daily Mail fails so badly as a newspaper, seriously.

477 darthstar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:31:42am

re: #459 Obdicut

T-mobile.

I've got T-Mobile (for another year). It sucks. I switch to AT&T about three years ago because I hated T-Mobile, then switched back to T-Mobile because I wanted the googly-phone. One more year of my contract, and then I'm off to Verizon as they support the googly-phone/droid as well. But I will say this. The T-Mobile contract is only 55 bucks a month with unlimited internet/data (300 minutes is more than I need for talking), whereas the iPhone/AT&T contract runs about 80 bucks. Coverage is similar (meaning, I don't get it at my house). My wife has Verizon for her blackberry, and she gets a full signal at home.

478 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:32:43am

re: #459 Obdicut

T-mobile.

Let me check. I'll let you know tonight.

479 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:32:56am

re: #476 Obdicut

Is there any confirmation of the story other than the guy who's alleging it?

Daily Mail fails so badly as a newspaper, seriously.

If this story is bogus I'm sure the people in the story will come out to correct the record.

480 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:32:57am

re: #477 darthstar

I basically just stick with whatever plan my fiancee likes, since she uses her stuff for much more serious purposes. She's got a jailbroken iPhone.

481 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:33:47am

re: #478 Dark_Falcon

Thanks.

re: #479 NJDhockeyfan

Sure. But the Daily Mail never seeks them out to ask them. They always happily print just one side of the story.

482 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:34:46am

re: #468 NJDhockeyfan

Awful, just awful. Hate speech from a 9 year old.

483 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:34:47am

Muslim bus driver locks passengers aboard as he stops to pray

The driver pulled over without warning and rolled out a high-visibility jacket as a makeshift prayer mat before removing his shoes, turning to face Mecca and starting to chant in Arabic.

Passengers said they looked on in stunned silence, fearing the driver may be preparing for a terrorist attack on the bus. No one was able to get on or off the vehicle during the five-minute prayer session.

Gayle Griffiths, 33, complained to Transport for London (TfL) about the incident on the number 24 bus in Gospel Oak, north London, last week.

The mother-of-one from Camden, north west London, who had boarded the bus minutes earlier on her way home from work, said: “Everyone was looking round in a mix of shock and amazement.

“When he had finished, he just got back up and set off again – all without any explanation or apology. It was truly bizarre, ludicrous and aggravating.”

“We are delayed often enough as it is in London. We live in a multicultural society but there is a time and a place for prayer and the middle of a journey with a busload of passengers is not it.”

The NHS administrator added: “It even went through my mind that this might be some sort of terrorist attack with the bus blown up because I had heard that suicide bombers prayed before attacks.”

TfL has apologised to all the passengers for the delay to their journey and the driver has been reprimanded.

484 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:35:13am

re: #474 Rightwingconspirator

I hope somebody checks under the burka. Lets not have another cross dressing Taliban escape.

Sniper: So we're targeting the ones with hairy ankles?
Spotter: Heavens no! Those are the women.

485 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:36:24am

re: #484 DaddyG

Sniper: So we're targeting the ones with hairy ankles?
Spotter: Heavens no! Those are the women.

LOL!

486 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:36:48am

re: #484 DaddyG

Very good.
Spotter-"I see a beard".
Then spotter again- "Send it".
Boom.

487 darthstar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:37:16am

re: #474 Rightwingconspirator

I hope somebody checks under the burka. Lets not have another cross dressing Taliban escape.

My favorite Bizarro cartoon in recent years...

488 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:39:03am

re: #487 darthstar

That is now my desktop wall paper.

489 Folded Flat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:40:09am

re: #218 PT Barnum

Generally, defragging the drive isn't necessary until you start seeing a lot of lag before files get loaded. That's because the PC has to spend a lot of time looking for things before it finds them.

Think of the world's worst filing clerk who just sticks files where it's handy as opposed to putting them in order. At some point, they can't find anything and have to put everything back in it's proper place.

Defrag is a hold over from the DOS days and FAT12/16. Through file re-writing after modification, files would be broken down into chunks that could physically be placed far apart. The FAT had to keep track of each chunk so every time that file was accessed the FAT had to be checked to find the file's start point. The more chunks a file was broken into, the more times the RW head had to travel to the HDD beginning sectors (where the primary copy of the FAT was stored). A defrag re-arranged the file so it was physically contiguous.

With NTFS, defrag isn't as important although it does help. NTFS uses an indexing cache that reduces the RW head seek.

490 Folded Flat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:43:09am

re: #219 thedopefishlives

I've never seen one that does. Most viruses are direct and to the point - get in, bomb the system with as much damage as it can do, and possibly open a back door to the virus writer. The most sophisticated viruses I've seen are the ones that sleep until a target date, but they don't actively change the clock.

I've been in the business for 20 years and have yet to see malware change the time signature of a defrag. The last time it was defragged, the system clock was likely wrong, or never done and the date was that of the Windows revision.

491 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:43:31am

Sigh. I see we had another outbreak of personal ill feeling up above.

I don't have the time or the temperament to be a psychologist. And I'm not going to step in and ban people just because other people have personal issues with them.

I'm very uncomfortable about taking sides in personal disputes among readers; I don't have the time to get informed about all the details of the issues that led to the latest battle, so I can't take sides even if I wanted to. I especially don't like seeing this happen between readers who all contribute valuable things to LGF in their own ways. I'd really prefer it if all of you who are involved in this feud could take a breath or two, take a step back, and cool things out, if you care about making the discourse at LGF the best on the web -- which is what I care about.

492 SixDegrees  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:44:39am

re: #489 b_sharp

Defrag is a hold over from the DOS days and FAT12/16. Through file re-writing after modification, files would be broken down into chunks that could physically be placed far apart. The FAT had to keep track of each chunk so every time that file was accessed the FAT had to be checked to find the file's start point. The more chunks a file was broken into, the more times the RW head had to travel to the HDD beginning sectors (where the primary copy of the FAT was stored). A defrag re-arranged the file so it was physically contiguous.

With NTFS, defrag isn't as important although it does help. NTFS uses an indexing cache that reduces the RW head seek.

In my experience, even with older drives the time it took to defrag them was never made up by the savings in access time. It just wasn't an exercise that ever seemed worth the trouble.

Nowadays, I run under Linux most of the time, where the issue simply doesn't exist.

493 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:44:53am

re: #491 Charles

Thank you, Charles.

And now I'm off to work. Wish me luck, BBT.

494 Ericus58  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:45:05am

re: #475 Ericus58

747-8 First Flight scheduled today.

[Link: videowm.boeing.com...]

[Link: www.boeing.com...]

Pulling her out of the stall now, take off scheduled ini 15 minutes... video is live.

495 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:45:33am

re: #493 Dark_Falcon

Best to ya DF!

496 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:45:58am

LONDON — In the face of mounting concern about abuse of student visa rules by migrant jobseekers and potential terrorists, Britain said Sunday that it was planning an immediate tightening of its border controls that could reduce the flow of people entering the country as students by tens of thousands a year.

prepare for riots and general mayhem...the US should do the very same

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

497 Buck  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:47:15am

More/new issues with the IPCC’s 2007 report:
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Robert Watson, chief scientist at Defra, the environment ministry, who chaired the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) from 1997 to 2002, was speaking after more potential inaccuracies emerged in the IPCC’s 2007 benchmark report on global warming.

The most important is a claim that global warming could cut rain-fed north African crop production by up to 50% by 2020, a remarkably short time for such a dramatic change. The claim has been quoted in speeches by Rajendra Pachauri, the IPCC chairman, and by Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general.

This weekend Professor Chris Field, the new lead author of the IPCC’s climate impacts team, told The Sunday Times that he could find nothing in the report to support the claim.

Africagate?

498 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:48:36am

re: #481 Obdicut

Thanks.

re: #479 NJDhockeyfan

Sure. But the Daily Mail never seeks them out to ask them. They always happily print just one side of the story.

Jewish Chronicle - Legal action from teacher sacked for challenging racism

East London Advertiser - Teacher takes Tower Hamlets school to tribunal today

499 Folded Flat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:48:37am

re: #239 PT Barnum

Worst ones I've worked on lately have been the fake virus trojans...suckers make it damn near impossible to do anything. Have to usually pull the drive and scan it on a different computer to get to the point where I can even start cleaning them up.

I swear I gotta find these guys and write em a commission check.

That is my experience too. An option to pulling the drive is to use UBCD4Win (or UBUSB) on WinXP systems and pre-SP1 Vista.

I always carry both a PATA and a SATA external drive enclosure with me so I can clean the drive from my laptop.

500 Buck  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:49:07am

re: #497 Buck

More/new issues with the IPCC’s 2007 report:
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

Robert Watson, chief scientist at Defra, the environment ministry, who chaired the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) from 1997 to 2002, was speaking after more potential inaccuracies emerged in the IPCC’s 2007 benchmark report on global warming.

The most important is a claim that global warming could cut rain-fed north African crop production by up to 50% by 2020, a remarkably short time for such a dramatic change. The claim has been quoted in speeches by Rajendra Pachauri, the IPCC chairman, and by Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general.

This weekend Professor Chris Field, the new lead author of the IPCC’s climate impacts team, told The Sunday Times that he could find nothing in the report to support the claim.

Africagate?

NOTE: It does not disproves anthropogenic global warming, or proves mankind’s influence on climate is a scientific hoax. But it illustrates the absurdity of the claim the debate is over, the science is settled and we must all immediately take a vow of poverty to “save the planet.”

501 Folded Flat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:49:34am

re: #240 PT Barnum

Better yet, find a good dependable independent who will take the time to educate you. Full Disclosure: I'm an independent.

As am I. Sort of. I've run my own company for 12 years.

502 gregb  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:50:40am

OMG! It's Woody Allen in Bananas!
Qaeda leader calls for attacks on US interests
Feb 8 08:42 AM US/Eastern

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

503 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:51:05am

re: #499 b_sharp

That is my experience too. An option to pulling the drive is to use UBCD4Win (or UBUSB) on WinXP systems and pre-SP1 Vista.

I always carry both a PATA and a SATA external drive enclosure with me so I can clean the drive from my laptop.

Good idea...although the hardware thing is more of a side line..as most of what I do is programming and database development.

504 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:53:12am

(Feb. 6) -- It's probably the most sought-after scotch in history – crates of whiskey buried in Antarctica by the famed explorer Ernest Shackleton a century ago. He abandoned them on a failed attempt to reach the South Pole in 1909, and they've been on ice – literally – ever since.

fun stuff here

[Link: www.aolnews.com...]

505 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:54:28am

re: #500 Buck

NOTE: It does not disproves anthropogenic global warming, or proves mankind’s influence on climate is a scientific hoax. But it illustrates the absurdity of the claim the debate is over, the science is settled and we must all immediately take a vow of poverty to “save the planet.”

It does not do any of those things. What it shows is that there is a very determined effort to find and use small errors -- the kind of errors that happen in EVERY human endeavor -- to trick people into thinking there are larger problems with the science of global warming.

It's exactly the same tactic used by creationists, as I've documented over and over. It's dishonest, and deliberately manipulative of the naive and ignorant.

506 simoom  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:54:56am

Some random Orly Taitz clips from the National Tea Party convention:

Obama has used 39 Social Security #s, and the one he uses most frequently was issued 120 years ago:

Like what happened with Nixon, the Dems may force Obama to resign (prior to 2012) to save the Party:

507 Girth  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:57:09am

re: #506 simoom

Some random Orly Taitz clips from the National Tea Party convention:

Obama has used 39 Social Security #s, and the one he uses most frequently was issued 120 years ago:

[Video]

Wait a second...I can't watch the video right now, but does she really claim that Obama uses a SS# that predates Social Security? How's that work?

508 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:57:51am

re: #507 Girth

Wait a second...I can't watch the video right now, but does she really claim that Obama uses a SS# that predates Social Security? How's that work?

The unicorns traveled back in time and buried in Hawaii for him to dig up.

509 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:58:19am

re: #507 Girth

Wait a second...I can't watch the video right now, but does she really claim that Obama uses a SS# that predates Social Security? How's that work?

How does a person use 39 different Social Security numbers? The mind boggles.

510 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 9:59:57am

I attended this past weekend’s National Tea Party Convention in Nashville, Tennessee, and I came away feeling that I had seen something important. The Tea Party movement is part of something bigger: America’s Third Great Awakening.

need a good hurl?...

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

511 darthstar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:00:37am

re: #506 simoom

Some random Orly Taitz clips from the National Tea Party convention:

Obama has used 39 Social Security #s, and the one he uses most frequently was issued 120 years ago:

[Video]

Orly was just there so Palin wouldn't be seen as the stupidest person in Nashville.

512 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:01:26am

re: #511 darthstar

Orly was just there so Palin wouldn't be seen as the stupidest person in Nashville.

I don't know that Palin is stupid, but she is very cunning about exploiting those that are.

513 Kragar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:02:20am

re: #506 simoom

A 120 year old SSN? Thats amazing considering they didn't even exist that long ago.

Only one possible answer. Obama is a Highlander.

514 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:02:40am

re: #513 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A 120 year old SSN? Thats amazing considering they didn't even exist that long ago.

Only one possible answer. Obama is a Highlander.

There can be only one!

515 Lidane  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:03:02am

re: #483 NJDhockeyfan

Muslim bus driver locks passengers aboard as he stops to pray

What really strikes me as odd about that story is that while the times for prayer might be prescribed, Islamic law makes allowances.

Each prayer time has a window before the next one. That means that if you're in the middle of something (i.e., driving your passengers to where they need to go) when a time for prayer comes, it's possible to wait until you're finished what you're doing, then take a few minutes to pray afterwards. The only real stipulation I've been able to find is that as long as the prayers for one time are done before the next prayer time arises, it's all good. It's even possible to shorten or combine prayers if need be, such as when someone is traveling and can't just stop everything.

Sounds like that guy was just a jackass who was trying to make some kind of statement. There was no reason for him to do that in the middle of his route. He could have waited.

516 Girth  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:03:25am

re: #510 albusteve

I attended this past weekend’s National Tea Party Convention in Nashville, Tennessee, and I came away feeling that I had seen something important. The Tea Party movement is part of something bigger: America’s Third Great Awakening.

need a good hurl?...

Read more at the Washington Examiner: [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

I

watched as Knoxville Tea Party organizer Antonio Hinton -- who drew the largest crowd, perhaps because he is black, or perhaps because he’s an excellent speaker - was asked repeatedly by the press to say something negative about Sarah Palin or the National Tea Party Convention, but he called Palin
“a breath of fresh air.”

WTF?

517 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:03:52am

re: #513 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A 120 year old SSN? Thats amazing considering they didn't even exist that long ago.

Only one possible answer. Obama is a Highlander.

Actually, I listened to the tape, and people born in 1890 would have had a SSN number assigned to them in the 30's, when they were 40.

Still, the stupid crazee burns.

518 Kragar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:04:13am

Orly Taitz always makes me think of the Chicken Lady from Kids in the Hall.

519 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:04:40am

re: #518 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Orly Taitz always makes me think of the Chicken Lady from Kids in the Hall.

Eggs! Fresh from my body to your plate!

520 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:04:43am

re: #517 EmmmieG

Actually, I listened to the tape, and people born in 1890 would have had a SSN number assigned to them in the 30's, when they were 40.

Still, the stupid crazee burns.

You left off the most likely explanation:

Orly Taitz is batshit crazy...

521 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:05:12am

Economic recovery? Only 19 percent of American CEOs expect to increase their work forces in the next six months, while 31 percent are planning to downsize, according to a Business Roundtable survey of executives released Tuesday.
But like an idiot insisting he can still put out the fire if only he's allowed to splash it with more gasoline, President Obama last week promised to "create more jobs" through another round of tax-and-borrow "stimulus" funding -- with at least part of the funds coming from leftover Wall Street bailout money.

more on the unRecovery...

[Link: www.lvrj.com...]

522 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:05:27am

re: #519 Guanxi88

Eggs! Fresh from my body to your plate!

523 darthstar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:05:51am

re: #512 PT Barnum

I don't know that Palin is stupid, but she is very cunning about exploiting those that are.

She's playing a role that has been handed to her. She's got an insulated forum (Fox) where she won't be questioned, so she doesn't feel the need to actually understand the talking points she's parroting. This becomes painfully obvious when she has to go off script for a few seconds to explain her views and ends up spitting out a word salad about the US needing to look for divine guidance to save itself.

524 Folded Flat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:05:51am

re: #492 SixDegrees

In my experience, even with older drives the time it took to defrag them was never made up by the savings in access time. It just wasn't an exercise that ever seemed worth the trouble.

Nowadays, I run under Linux most of the time, where the issue simply doesn't exist.

I now run Linux on my home laptop with Virtualbox running WinXP and Win7. I can't use it on my work system because all my customers use WinXP or Win7.

525 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:06:04am

re: #498 NJDhockeyfan

Again, just one side. He's getting his hearing, so we'll hear more of it.

The media has abdicated nearly all responsibility for accuracy in journalism. They don't print stories anymore. They print rumors.

I'm not saying it's not true, by the way, since 8-year olds can be total shits and there are certainly plenty of parents teaching their kids that crap.

526 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:06:37am

re: #500 Buck

We're not "saving the planet" in any case. The planet is going to survive us even if we tossed every nuclear warhead in everyone's arsenals at once.

At best it's a poor euphemism for "saving" human civilization as it currently stands.

527 gregb  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:06:38am

Okay, I know you guys are having a serious conversation, but to follow up on the Bananas thing, Kaam says it's hilarious.

[Link: sites.google.com...]

528 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:07:15am

re: #524 b_sharp

I now run Linux on my home laptop with Virtualbox running WinXP and Win7. I can't use it on my work system because all my customers use WinXP or Win7.

I'm working on setting up a Virtualbox at home with Windows 7. Any hitches I need to know about before I take the plunge?

529 Girth  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:07:53am

re: #526 oaktree

We're not "saving the planet" in any case. The planet is going to survive us even if we tossed every nuclear warhead in everyone's arsenals at once.

At best it's a poor euphemism for "saving" human civilization as it currently stands.

In the immortal words of George Carlin,

"The planet's not going anywhere. WE ARE!"

530 simoom  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:08:19am

re: #517 EmmmieG

Yeah, sorry everyone, my bad, I just re-listened to it and I misunderstood what she said. Here's my best attempt at a transcription of the relevant sentence:

That's the number that was issued in the state of Connecticut, arround 1977, to an elderly individual, born in 1890.
531 Ericus58  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:08:25am

re: #506 simoom

What I hear her say is that the most used number was issued to a man in Conn. in 1977, who had been born in 1890.

Is any of this verified, the multiple uses of SSN#'s? That is a new claim I've not heard before. Not trying to lend credence to the claim, just looking for facts as to authenticity and/or debunking.

Mythbusters?

532 Folded Flat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:08:28am

re: #503 PT Barnum

Good idea...although the hardware thing is more of a side line..as most of what I do is programming and database development.

I have a B.Sc. in C.S. and was a programmer for 10 years. I sort of fell into the hardware side of things and built up a business around it.

533 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:08:42am

re: #523 darthstar

She's playing a role that has been handed to her. She's got an insulated forum (Fox) where she won't be questioned, so she doesn't feel the need to actually understand the talking points she's parroting. This becomes painfully obvious when she has to go off script for a few seconds to explain her views and ends up spitting out a word salad about the US needing to look for divine guidance to save itself.

I think the biggest problem is that she plays the victim extremely well, even while spewing the same sort of vile garbage she accuses her attackers of.

534 Lidane  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:09:21am

re: #520 PT Barnum

You left off the most likely explanation:

Orly Taitz is batshit crazy...

So are the people who take Orly Taitz seriously.

The fact that she was invited to speak at this Teabagger event speaks volumes about the idiocy on display here. Any sane person knows that Orly Taitz has no credibility and that she's a lunatic.

535 PT Barnum  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:09:53am

re: #532 b_sharp

I have a B.Sc. in C.S. and was a programmer for 10 years. I sort of fell into the hardware side of things and built up a business around it.

I'm completely self taught...but I've been able to make a living at it for the last 15 years or so, so I'm not gonna complain.

536 darthstar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:09:59am

re: #533 PT Barnum

I think the biggest problem is that she plays the victim extremely well, even while spewing the same sort of vile garbage she accuses her attackers of.

Oh, she's a professional victim, I agree. In fact, if people were to stop criticizing her and ignore her for three days, she'd come out saying she was being censored (and hold up one or more of her kids for the cameras at the same time).

537 Lidane  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:12:03am

re: #526 oaktree

We're not "saving the planet" in any case. The planet is going to survive us even if we tossed every nuclear warhead in everyone's arsenals at once.

re: #529 Girth

In the immortal words of George Carlin,

"The planet's not going anywhere. WE ARE!"

538 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:12:33am

re: #536 darthstar

I wish the media would be willing to do that. I'm sick and tired of every thread in the last week turning into a Palin discussion; Tea Party Convention going on, or not.

539 DaddyG  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:12:53am

re: #506 simoom


Obama has used 39 Social Security #s, and the one he uses most frequently was issued 120 years ago:

OMG - he's a shapeshifting time traveller. /

540 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:13:46am

re: #539 DaddyG

OMG - he's a shapeshifting time traveller. /

Fits in with Icke's theories, and it would explain a lot.

541 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:14:50am

re: #505 Charles

Seems many of the deniers are down to fighting the predictions of what will happen rather than the effect itself, or the human causes. Now they are down to a tacit admission of the first two, and challenging the specific predictions, which are far less scientific than the data. The weather yesterday is a statistic, the weather or climate for the future is a forecast.

542 Kragar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:16:04am

re: #539 DaddyG

OMG - he's a shapeshifting time traveller. /

Nope, he is obviously a Highlander. If you pay close attention to his itinerary, you'll see a string of headless bodies lie in his wake. When he was in Indonesia, he trained and became master of the flying guillotine.

543 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:16:23am

re: #541 Rightwingconspirator

It is remarkably how much it resembles the running-backwards defense of the creationists-- complete with resurrection of zombie talking points long after they've been totally discredited.

544 Guanxi88  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:17:15am

re: #542 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nope, he is obviously a Highlander. If you pay close attention to his itinerary, you'll see a string of headless bodies lie in his wake. When he was in Indonesia, he trained and became master of the flying guillotine.

Are you suggesting that Highlanders aren't shape-shifting time travellers, or that shape-shifting time travellers couldn't be Highlanders?

545 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:17:26am

re: #543 Obdicut

It is remarkably how much it resembles the running-backwards defense of the creationists-- complete with resurrection of zombie talking points long after they've been totally discredited.

That last part sounds like the Twoofers. All they ever do is spout the same old talking points as if they were new. As if they hadn't been debunked 50 times before by factual sources.

546 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:18:16am

The big question that seldom -- if ever -- gets asked in the mainstream media is whether these are a net increase in jobs. Because the only resources that the government has are the resources it takes from the private sector, using those resources to create jobs means reducing the resources available to create jobs in the private sector.
So long as most people do not look beyond superficial appearances, politicians can get away with playing Santa Claus on all sorts of issues, while leaving havoc in their wake-- such as growing unemployment, despite all the jobs being "created."

so...who's on first?

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

547 simoom  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:18:43am

The NYT has a neat interactive 2011 budget treemap up where you can click to hide mandatory spending, and toggle between it and the previous budget. It looks like they put it up a while ago, but I just wandered over to it now:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

548 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:18:44am

Row over Cambridge University 'hate speaker'

Palestinian academic Azzam Tamimi, who has said he would be happy to be a suicide bomber, will address Cambridge University students tonight, despite calls from the Union of Jewish Students to revoke the invitation.

The Cambridge Islamic Society has invited Dr Tamimi, director of Institute of Islamic Political Thought in London, to address students this evening.

A UJS spokeswoman criticised the Islamic Society for allowing the talk to go ahead when the same group “demanded” that the university’s Israel Society cancel a speech by top Israeli historian, Benny Morris last week, after claiming he was an “Islamophobic hate speaker”.

In 2004, Dr Tamimi told BBC’s Hard Talk: “Sacrificing myself for Palestine is a noble cause… I would do it if I had the opportunity."

Last month, Labour MP Denis Macshane, chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group Against Antisemitism, called Dr Tamimi a “preacher of antisemitic hate and jihad” and criticised Birmingham University for providing a “platform for this hate doctrine”.

549 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:20:30am

re: #541 Rightwingconspirator

Seems many of the deniers are down to fighting the predictions of what will happen rather than the effect itself, or the human causes. Now they are down to a tacit admission of the first two, and challenging the specific predictions, which are far less scientific than the data. The weather yesterday is a statistic, the weather or climate for the future is a forecast.

doesn't matter...nothing will become of the entire issue, other than more studies, complaining, and backbiting...in other words we're all doomed to whatever happens

550 Kragar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:23:00am

re: #544 Guanxi88

Are you suggesting that Highlanders aren't shape-shifting time travellers, or that shape-shifting time travellers couldn't be Highlanders?

Yin and Yang. Highlanders are agents of order, locked in one form and progressing thru time. The others are agents of chaos, swapping forms and timelines as they prance merrily throughouy time and space.

Why dont people think of these things before coming up with their wild theories?

/

551 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:23:14am

re: #548 NJDhockeyfan

He clarified his remarks on dying for Palestine as:

"martyrdom is dying for justice and peace .. not blowing oneself up killing innocent people". "the martyrdom that I said was the greatest form of sacrifice was the one that is incurred by a person who dares speak the truth in the presence of a tyrant."

Those who opt for violence harming the innocent, under the pretext of avenging the crimes committed by US and UK policy makers against Muslims around the world, lack confidence and do a great disservice to the ummah - and inflict enormous harm on the causes they claim to want to serve.

Why did the Daily Mail not report my insistence that there is no justification to respond to murder with murder?


He's still virulently anti-Israel and blames the UK, the US, and Israel for most of what's wrong in the middle east, but he's very adamantly distancing himself from support for suicide bombings.

552 Folded Flat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:25:22am

re: #528 thedopefishlives

I'm working on setting up a Virtualbox at home with Windows 7. Any hitches I need to know about before I take the plunge?

Is Win7 the host or the guest OS? Does your CPU support hardware virtualization? When I used Win7 as guest OS, I had to DL the newest version of VB from Sun. I found the VB SE that comes with Ubuntu was just too flakey to run Win7 on my system. Remember, the hardware is as important as the software so do some research on the WEB.

If your host OS is Win7, you might check out MS's Virtual PC: [Link: www.microsoft.com...]

553 RogueOne  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:25:42am

re: #549 albusteve

doesn't matter...nothing will become of the entire issue, other than more studies, complaining, and backbiting...in other words we're all doomed to whatever happens

I share your cynicism but "doomed" might be a bit of a loaded word.

554 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:26:42am

The proposals would require workers and retirees at all levels of government and local school districts to contribute to their own health care costs, ban part-time workers at the state and local levels from participating in the underfunded state pension system, cap sick leave payouts for all public employees and constitutionally require the state to fully fund its pension obligations each year.

NJ is actually going to try and get a grip on this gigantic problem...I wonder if CA is paying attention?

[Link: www.nj.com...]

555 Kragar  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:26:47am

re: #553 RogueOne

I share your cynicism but "doomed" might be a bit of a loaded word.

On a long enough time line, we're all doomed. Might as well have fun till then.

556 thedopefishlives  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:26:55am

re: #552 b_sharp

Win7 is the guest, Linux is the host. I have an AMD processor with the hardware virtualization extensions. I also have the latest version of Virtualbox installed on the system. I've done my homework and feel I'm prepared, but I thought I'd ask a guy who has it installed in the field, live, before I begin.

557 Folded Flat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:27:47am

re: #535 PT Barnum

I'm completely self taught...but I've been able to make a living at it for the last 15 years or so, so I'm not gonna complain.

Malware is the single biggest factor in my company's success. I get to charge travel and $85.00/hr to get rid of it.

558 subsailor68  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:28:29am

re: #546 albusteve

The big question that seldom -- if ever -- gets asked in the mainstream media is whether these are a net increase in jobs. Because the only resources that the government has are the resources it takes from the private sector, using those resources to create jobs means reducing the resources available to create jobs in the private sector.
So long as most people do not look beyond superficial appearances, politicians can get away with playing Santa Claus on all sorts of issues, while leaving havoc in their wake-- such as growing unemployment, despite all the jobs being "created."

so...who's on first?

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

Hi albusteve! Yes! Put another way, there are only three ways government can generate revenue for itself: taxation, borrowing, or printing money. And yep, all three of those options create the same problem - the money is removed from the private sector.

Taxation is obvious, right? I mean, it is money taken from businesses and individuals to fund government. Not all of that is bad of course.

Borrowing? Well, heck, if the government issued paper at a given rate, and I decided to invest in that instead of the private sector, oops - fewer dollars in the private markets than otherwise.

Printing? Ouch! Looks like we might want to buckle up. Could be a bumpy inflationary ride.

And jobs created by government (including government jobs and those "created" by government contracts) will still need to be funded down the line - by more taxing, borrowing, or printing.

559 Folded Flat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:30:40am

re: #546 albusteve

The big question that seldom -- if ever -- gets asked in the mainstream media is whether these are a net increase in jobs. Because the only resources that the government has are the resources it takes from the private sector, using those resources to create jobs means reducing the resources available to create jobs in the private sector.
So long as most people do not look beyond superficial appearances, politicians can get away with playing Santa Claus on all sorts of issues, while leaving havoc in their wake-- such as growing unemployment, despite all the jobs being "created."

so...who's on first?

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

That assumes the private sector is interested in using those resources to create jobs.

560 albusteve  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:30:54am

re: #558 subsailor68

Hi albusteve! Yes! Put another way, there are only three ways government can generate revenue for itself: taxation, borrowing, or printing money. And yep, all three of those options create the same problem - the money is removed from the private sector.

Taxation is obvious, right? I mean, it is money taken from businesses and individuals to fund government. Not all of that is bad of course.

Borrowing? Well, heck, if the government issued paper at a given rate, and I decided to invest in that instead of the private sector, oops - fewer dollars in the private markets than otherwise.

Printing? Ouch! Looks like we might want to buckle up. Could be a bumpy inflationary ride.

And jobs created by government (including government jobs and those "created" by government contracts) will still need to be funded down the line - by more taxing, borrowing, or printing.

jobs in the govt sector are booming...on the taxpayers dime...it's enough to make me cranky

561 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:33:47am

re: #559 b_sharp

Its a fair assumption. Job growth happens with the greater economic growth. And certainly not in its absence.

562 Folded Flat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:34:01am

re: #556 thedopefishlives

Win7 is the guest, Linux is the host. I have an AMD processor with the hardware virtualization extensions. I also have the latest version of Virtualbox installed on the system. I've done my homework and feel I'm prepared, but I thought I'd ask a guy who has it installed in the field, live, before I begin.

You should have smooth sailing. The new version is excellent. I had no problems installing it or the guest OSes. Don't forget the guest extensions.

563 Folded Flat  Mon, Feb 8, 2010 10:45:48am

re: #561 Rightwingconspirator

Its a fair assumption. Job growth happens with the greater economic growth. And certainly not in its absence.

Governments can contribute to economic growth through the prudent redirection of funds.

I guess my point is that leaving things to the private sector doesn't always result in the best outcome for the general public. There is a balance between private sector freedom and government control that gives the best outcome as long as the government control is not static or heavy handed. The US is the most successful economic engine on Earth, but it didn't get there through complete freedom for the private sector, and many countries with much higher levels of government control are not far behind. Even the UK which was pretty much a free-for-all during the 17th and 18th centuries has introduced some government control in an effort to find a balance.

I get a bit itchy when I see someone proselytizing for one extreme or the other.


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