So. Carolina GOP Converging with Tea Partiers

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The South Carolina Republican Party apparently feels that they aren’t conservative enough yet, so they’ll be uniting with tea party groups. That ought to do it.

The South Carolina Republican Party announced Monday that it’s uniting with tea party groups in the state to share resources, coordinate messaging and push the GOP in a more conservative direction.

The points of contact between the state party establishment and the grass-roots will be the Greenville County Republican Party�— one of the most conservative wings of the state party�— and the Upstate Coalition of Conservative Organizations, an umbrella structure of state tea party groups.

The agreement, as announced by South Carolina Republicans, is designed to serve four goals: increase precinct involvement, improve communication between the state party and grass-roots groups, create liaisons between the state party and the various tea party organizations and to work “closely to make the Republican Party more conservative.”

Now there’s a winning formula.

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343 comments
1 darthstar  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:30:20pm

So now will it be Sen. Lindsey Graham (Teabag - SC) on the news scrawl every time he's on TV?

2 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:31:08pm

The symbiont is taking over the host....

...but which is which...?

3 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:32:16pm

Well, crap.

It is now time to take my cue from The Roi and change to "no party affiliation".

4 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:34:09pm

LOL South Carolina wants all subversives to pay them five bucks: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

5 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:35:07pm

Don't feed these people, it just encourages them to breed...

6 cliffster  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:36:00pm

re: #1 darthstar

So now will it be Sen. Lindsey Graham (Teabag - SC) on the news scrawl every time he's on TV?

On MSNBC, I give that a 40% chance of happening

7 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:36:26pm

re: #5 ralphieboy

Don't feed these people, it just encourages them to breed...

Unfortunately, it's usually with each other...Isn't there something we can put in the water down there?

Preemptive apology if I offended anyone by suggesting that teabaggers not be allowed to reproduce.

8 Lidane  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:36:52pm

re: #6 cliffster

On MSNBC, I give that a 40% chance of happening

And on Fox, it will be Sen. Lindsey Graham (D-SC) when he does something the teabaggers don't like.

9 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:36:58pm

re: #4 WindUpBird

LOL South Carolina wants all subversives to pay them five bucks: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I don't live in SC, but if I did I would give them $10 filing fee to fool them, then take over with my dark plot. Bwhahahaha!!!!

10 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:37:25pm

re: #8 Lidane

And on Fox, it will be Sen. Lindsey Graham (D-SC) when he does something the teabaggers don't like.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (RINO-SC)

11 darthstar  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:37:57pm

re: #8 Lidane

And on Fox, it will be Sen. Lindsey Graham (D-SC) when he does something the teabaggers don't like.

or gets arrested.

12 Jack Burton  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:38:05pm

"We've got to make you men strong. Because tonight, we're going to march the Republican Party off a 3,000 foot cliff. Dying makes a man out of you. I died in the war, they cremated me. And they buried the ashes, right here in my skull. "

13 Lidane  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:38:45pm

re: #4 WindUpBird

LOL South Carolina wants all subversives to pay them five bucks: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I'd laugh, but then I'd owe the state of South Carolina $5.

14 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:39:00pm

Don't they have proof-readers for this stuff?

The South Carolina Republican Party announced Monday that it’s uniting with tea party groups in the state to share resources, coordinate messaging and push the GOP in a more conservative reactionary direction.

There, fixed for accuracy.

15 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:39:26pm

Tea parties do provide a GOTV/grass roots effort that the GOP was unable to do in 2008. Perhaps that's overestimating the GOTV/grass roots capabilities of the Tea Parties, but that's certainly the motivation on part of the GOP.

Problem is that the Tea Party comes along with all kinds of baggage that should be avoided at all costs - and by associating with it you're bringing in the worst of both worlds.

16 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:39:56pm

re: #4 WindUpBird

LOL South Carolina wants all subversives to pay them five bucks: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Next up, registering before you're 'allowed' to rob a bank!
/...lol, SC.

17 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:41:18pm
Floyd said that working with the groups accomplishes her goals of “growing the Republican Party, electing conservative Republicans and growing the strength of the party,” though she was careful in describing what the party intends to do in working with the tea parties to elect more conservative members.

“What we mean by that is being ideologically in step with our platform of creating a small government and advancing individual liberty,” she said, insisting that partnering with the tea parties would not block support for more moderate candidates.

I guess when you go into politics you are issued ambidextrous lips.

18 cliffster  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:44:14pm

re: #15 lawhawk

Tea parties do provide a GOTV/grass roots effort that the GOP was unable to do in 2008. Perhaps that's overestimating the GOTV/grass roots capabilities of the Tea Parties, but that's certainly the motivation on part of the GOP.

Problem is that the Tea Party comes along with all kinds of baggage that should be avoided at all costs - and by associating with it you're bringing in the worst of both worlds.

Those grass roots were ones the GOP could never grow as a major party - part of the problem. GOP probably betting they can get these people that are pissed off at massive spending under their umbrella and then lose the "tea party establishment", given that there isn't really one of those. Sneaky, considering the trillions we went into debt in the 6 years the GOP had control.

19 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:44:40pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

I guess when you go into politics you are issued ambidextrous lips.

I would love to hear Floyd's definition of what a moderate R is...

20 filetandrelease  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:44:46pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

I guess when you go into politics you are issued ambidextrous lips.

Hehe, well said.

21 avanti  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:44:50pm

Pakistan Taliban leader Meshud dies from injuries from a Jan. drone attack.

CNN..

22 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:45:41pm

re: #3 reine.de.tout

Who's the king? I mean, other than Elvis.

23 cliffster  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:46:07pm

re: #22 Obdicut

Who's the king? I mean, other than Elvis.

Lebron James

24 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:46:57pm

re: #22 Obdicut

Who's the king? I mean, other than Elvis.

Why, my husband of course!
I am the reine de tout.
He is the roi de rien.

25 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:47:09pm

re: #19 Varek Raith

Anyone to the left of Adolf, maybe?

26 filetandrelease  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:47:17pm

re: #22 Obdicut

Who's the king? I mean, other than Elvis.

Drew Brees

27 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:47:30pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

I guess when you go into politics you are issued ambidextrous lips.

Ambidextrous lips!
ROFL!

28 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:49:19pm

Well, that's one reason I don't live in South Carolina.

Others are:

I don't like heat,
I was recently told what palmetto bugs are, and they sound scary,
and I don't know anyone there.

29 Girth  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:49:25pm

I didn't leave the Republican Party, they left me. Years ago, actually. But every time I come around to see what they're up to they lock the door and pull down the shades.

We'll see how many teabaggers they can get to replace people like me. I don't think the math is going to work for them.

30 darthstar  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:50:09pm

re: #24 reine.de.tout

Why, my husband of course!
I am the reine de tout.
He is the roi de rien.

Ha!

31 filetandrelease  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:50:23pm

re: #28 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, that's one reason I don't live in South Carolina.

Others are:

I don't like heat,
I was recently told what palmetto bugs are, and they sound scary,
and I don't know anyone there.

Those are pigmy palmetto bugs up there.

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:50:27pm

re: #4 WindUpBird

LOL South Carolina wants all subversives to pay them five bucks: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Five bucks gets you a license to be a subversive?

33 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:50:29pm

re: #30 darthstar

Ha!

:-)
Prolly true at your house too.

34 darthstar  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:50:37pm

re: #26 filetandrelease

Drew Brees

Who dat?

35 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:50:48pm

Does the GOP wish to be an ideologically pure but permanent minority party???

36 filetandrelease  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:51:23pm

re: #34 darthstar

Who dat?

He is a Super Guy.

37 cliffster  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:51:36pm

re: #28 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, that's one reason I don't live in South Carolina.

Others are:

I don't like heat,
I was recently told what palmetto bugs are, and they sound scary,
and I don't know anyone there.

Lots of nice golf courses though

38 jaunte  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:51:41pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

Devolution is now considered intelligent design.

39 Sergeant Major  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:51:53pm

"South Carolina GOP Gov. Mark Sanford was one of the movement’s darlings and attended some of the state’s tax day protests".....politico
I thought this movement was about getting back to a more conservative movement. I guess It's okay to associate with a governor that can't stay faithful to his wife while representing the "conservatives" that elected him. The hypocrisy amazes me....no it doesn't.

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:52:03pm

re: #13 Lidane

I'd laugh, but then I'd owe the state of South Carolina $5.

Well, my husband is still wanted by the State of Georgia for driving drunk at the age of three.

Since he's never been there, we think it might be someone else with the same ordinary Scots-Irish-Cherokee name, but we're not entirely sure.

41 filetandrelease  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:52:04pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

Does the GOP wish to be an ideologically pure but permanent minority party???

As indicated by recent elections?

42 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:52:47pm

re: #24 reine.de.tout

Why, my husband of course!
I am the reine de tout.
He is the roi de rien.

If it please the King:

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:52:52pm

re: #28 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, that's one reason I don't live in South Carolina.

Others are:

I don't like heat,
I was recently told what palmetto bugs are, and they sound scary,
and I don't know anyone there.

They also seem to have bad luck with governors.

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:54:01pm

re: #37 cliffster

Lots of nice golf courses though

I don't play golf. I hear they have some nice synagogues, though.

45 Girth  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:54:02pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

Does the GOP wish to be an ideologically pure but permanent minority party???

1. Achieve ideological purity
2. ???
3. Profit

46 Stanghazi  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:56:06pm

And lucky me is heading to that great state tonight. Leaving my Obama beanie home probably. Ready to visit my tea loving relatives. Praying for strength.

47 cliffster  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:57:03pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't play golf. I hear they have some nice synagogues, though.

And they have good euphemisms (see your above: palmetto bugs)

48 elizajane  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:57:24pm

As the non-Republican in a Republican family, I feel like the right is doing a pretty effective job of pulling many people along with them. My brother--Ivy League educated, advanced degree, reads Proust, listens to Rush, reads the WSJ... Has developed frightening wingnut tendancies. Same with my father who was, in his youth, a card-carrying member of the Socialist party.

By the way, did anybody else read the climate change denial story on the front page of, yes, the NYTimes this morning? Slamming the IPCC, cited Lord Monckton and one other notorious denier (Pielke), cited no mainstream climate scientists at all--and this is supposedly in the "liberal media" (or, as Rush calls them, the "state-controlled media")? The NYTimes had no comment line open on the article so I'm just venting here.

49 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:57:31pm

re: #39 Sergeant Major

In that particular case, I couldn't care less what he does with his winky, that's between him and his wife, IMO.

Where it gets my ire up is when it is coupled with the hypocrisy of "family values" that "define marriage", and especially when he appeared to be using taxpayer money for his escapades while leaving his state without someone at the helm.

50 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:59:08pm

re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth

In that particular case, I couldn't care less what he does with his winky, that's between him and his wife, IMO.

Where it gets my ire up is when it is coupled with the hypocrisy of "family values" that "define marriage", and especially when he appeared to be using taxpayer money for his escapades while leaving his state without someone at the helm.

How much money was wasted looking for his cheating butt?

51 Girth  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 1:59:38pm

re: #46 Stanley Sea

And lucky me is heading to that great state tonight. Leaving my Obama beanie home probably. Ready to visit my tea loving relatives. Praying for strength.

I'd start by writing "Hi!" on your palm, then looking at it before saying it when they open the door.

Cuz I can be an ass like that.

52 webevintage  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:00:30pm

I still can't figure out what these people want.

53 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:00:35pm

re: #41 filetandrelease

As indicated by recent elections?

NY-23 is what I had in mind. The tea party people weren't involved in the Va election (not that I know of). NJ, I'm not too sure about. Then again, the NJ election was almost guaranteed to the R. Mass. is what I'm unsure of.

54 Stanghazi  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:00:43pm

re: #51 Girth

I'd start by writing "Hi!" on your palm, then looking at it before saying it when they open the door.

Cuz I can be an ass like that.

LOL, will pack sharpie.

55 filetandrelease  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:01:23pm

re: #48 elizajane

The IPCC report is looking like swiss cheese ATM.

56 Kruk  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:01:36pm

re: #4 WindUpBird

LOL South Carolina wants all subversives to pay them five bucks: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Heh. So if you want to be involved in subversive activities, you need to register with the Government you want to subvert? That reminds me of an old joke about Russians going through US immigration:

"Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party?"

"Neyt, Tovarich!"

57 freetoken  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:01:36pm

More on the backstory:

SC GOP nixes idea of Tea Party Republican group

The South Carolina GOP is ditching the idea of forming a Tea Party Republican group while leaders say they are finding ways to make the party appeal more to the activists.


Last month, there were rumblings that the Greenville Republican Party's leadership wanted to create a formal group rattled Tea Party activists. But a couple of weekends of meetings ended with the GOP backing down and state Republican Party Chairwoman Karen Floyd holding a news conferences announcing an accord of sorts. [...]

Well, that should give us a clue about who will be wearing the pants in this particular union...

More:

"When this whole controversy got started, we felt under threat that our movement — our values — were trying to be consumed by a political party," said Harry Kibler, a Tea Party leader who helped broker the compromise. "We don't like that. We came together very quickly to protect that." [...]

Revanchists always feel under threat. Fear is their reason for being.

For instance, Bill Rhodes of Greer formed a Tea Party group that has 550 Greenville County members. His goal is to organize enough activists at the precinct level that they control the county party — one of the state's largest.

"That's the game plan," Rhodes said. "We're going to conservatize the Republican Party," Rhodes said.

Hey, where's Cato when you need him ... "conservatize" ... indeed.

While Republican consultant Chip Felkel of Greenville admires the movement, he says it's a mistake for GOP leadership to give Tea Party activists this much credibility.

[...]

The Tea Party's destination is unknown and that's the real danger, Felkel said. "I don't think that train's headed in a direction that has the long-term interest of the Republican Party at heart."

No kidding Chip, but are they listening to you?

58 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:02:06pm

re: #50 MandyManners

How much money was wasted looking for his cheating butt?

Exactly. I really don't care about the cheating itself. Not my business, really.

But when it ends up costing the taxpayers money, and ties up state resources that could have been focused on other emergencies, then it becomes everybody's business.

59 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:02:40pm

re: #55 filetandrelease

The IPCC report is looking like swiss cheese ATM.

As opposed to the anti-agw side's 'facts', which is nothing but a hole.
;)

60 freetoken  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:04:11pm

re: #48 elizajane

The problem is controversy generates interest, and the more interest the more likely that someone will buy the paper/website-subscription.

TEACH THE CONTROVERSY is not just useful to the atavists - it also makes for good "news" business.

61 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:04:32pm

re: #48 elizajane

Same with my father who was, in his youth, a card-carrying member of the Socialist party.

Not surprising, when these elements use fascist/communist sounding rhetoric to demonize "elites" and "intellectuals".

62 Sergeant Major  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:05:23pm

re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth

You are absolutely correct. I just expect "elected" officials to behave ethically. Mistakes are made by everyone but one has to wonder if you can't keep your "winky" where it belongs what else are you willing to do?

63 filetandrelease  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:05:53pm

re: #53 Varek Raith

The fringes at the tea party are so crazy that I as many others anticipated a back lash against the GOP, which never happened, in fact it appears to have given the GOP momentum. Go figure.

64 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:07:06pm

BBIAW.

65 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:07:28pm

re: #57 freetoken

More on the backstory:

Update worthy, if one can update with backstory.

66 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:07:41pm

re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth

Exactly. I really don't care about the cheating itself. Not my business, really.

But when it ends up costing the taxpayers money, and ties up state resources that could have been focused on other emergencies, then it becomes everybody's business.

I do care about the cheating because sometimes it reveals a person's character.

67 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:08:09pm

re: #46 Stanley Sea

Leaving my Obama beanie home probably. Ready to visit my tea loving relatives.

I wore my "One Voice Can Change The World" shirt to work on inauguration day. My (McCain-voting) boss had been making a thing about using our webcams during meetings, a position I was only too happy to adhere to that day...

68 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:08:43pm

re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth

Exactly. I really don't care about the cheating itself. Not my business, really.

But when it ends up costing the taxpayers money, and ties up state resources that could have been focused on other emergencies, then it becomes everybody's business.

I read somewhere recently that he refused to put the bit about forsaking all others in his vows.

69 filetandrelease  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:09:44pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

Sadly, the few areas of BS in the report didn't really matter all that much. If left out in retro spec it wouldn't have diluted the report significantly. On the other hand, by inserting BS into the report the scientist have done great harm to it.

70 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:09:48pm

re: #67 torrentprime

I wore my "One Voice Can Change The World" shirt to work on inauguration day. My (McCain-voting) boss had been making a thing about using our webcams during meetings, a position I was only too happy to adhere to that day...

Ugh. Politics at work are like open toes at work. I keep both under wraps until i leave...but shame on your boss for setting a bad example.

71 elizajane  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:10:57pm

re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth

Not surprising, when these elements use fascist/communist sounding rhetoric to demonize "elites" and "intellectuals".

Good (depressing) point.

72 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:11:26pm

re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth

Exactly. I really don't care about the cheating itself. Not my business, really.

But when it ends up costing the taxpayers money, and ties up state resources that could have been focused on other emergencies, then it becomes everybody's business.

I was briefly proud of some of the redstate.com crew that day, as one or two of them made the point that lying to your chief of staff about your whereabouts (or having him lie for you), not to mention leaving a possible bizarre power vacuum as a result, is a dereliction of duty all by itself; the cheating isn't needed to reach that analysis.

73 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:12:59pm

re: #62 Sergeant Major

I kind of disagree with that a little. History is filled with great leaders and great governors/rulers with less than monogamous, heterosexual appetites.

I don't think where one puts their winky has any effect whatsoever on one's ability to lead/govern. In Sanford's case, it was his poor leadership abilities that made the incident a mess.

74 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:14:52pm

re: #66 MandyManners

I do care about the cheating because sometimes it reveals a person's character.

I tend to disagree with that. See my #73.

75 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:15:26pm

re: #70 Aceofwhat?

Ugh. Politics at work are like open toes at work. I keep both under wraps until i leave...but shame on your boss for setting a bad example.

My workplace is pretty liberal (the number of "No on 8" buttons and stickers on my floor in fall '08 was heartening), but one the whole I agree with you. Politics is for pubs; that's why God invented Guinness and pool cues.
I keep my "Republicans for Voldemort" bumper stickers hidden. Although that's just as much because they're ridiculously juvenile as partisan.

76 filetandrelease  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:15:58pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

I always thought Clinton was a good leader, maybe not great, but certainly a good leader. And, well........

77 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:15:59pm

re: #74 Slumbering Behemoth

I tend to disagree with that. See my #73.

You can be a good leader yet still have an awful character.

78 filetandrelease  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:16:49pm

re: #77 MandyManners

You can be a good leader yet still have an awful character.

Good point.

79 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:16:57pm
80 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:17:41pm

her

81 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:17:50pm

re: #3 reine.de.tout

Welcome to Indy land! We have been expecting you. We have lots of nice company.

82 filetandrelease  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:18:17pm

"Hey baby, lets get married, you don't mind if I keep my little black book do ya?"

83 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:18:45pm

re: #75 torrentprime

I keep my "Republicans for Voldemort" bumper stickers hidden. Although that's just as much because they're ridiculously juvenile as partisan.

but damn funny.

84 cliffster  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:19:06pm

re: #79 MandyManners

Jenny should have run as if here hair were on fire.

Well, that's just silly.

85 freetoken  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:19:17pm

Look ma, they've got video!

86 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:20:00pm

re: #77 MandyManners

You can be a good leader yet still have an awful character.

I think you can have both qualities (good leader and good character), and still not be of the monogamous/heterosexual mold.

Sanford has neither qualities, IMO.

87 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:21:41pm

re: #77 MandyManners

You can be a good leader yet still have an awful character.

One can be, but one is less likely to be. Surely there are temptations more insidious than adultery which present themselves to our leaders...it's not unreasonable to search for character proxies when sizing up someone's leadership potential.

(Mandy - not saying you disagree, just seizing an opportune post from which to leap...)

88 Girth  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:21:57pm

re: #79 MandyManners

Jenny should have run as if here hair were on fire.

What a scumbag.

89 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:22:09pm

re: #86 Slumbering Behemoth

I think you can have both qualities (good leader and good character), and still not be of the monogamous/heterosexual mold.

Sanford has neither qualities, IMO.

I believe a refusal to keep your penis where it belongs shows a serious flaw in character and judgment.

90 webevintage  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:23:21pm

re: #75 torrentprime


I keep my "Republicans for Voldemort" bumper stickers hidden. Although that's just as much because they're ridiculously juvenile as partisan.

I know, but I love mine.
I've never had an ugly comment (unlike my Obama sticker which got me a "ni***r lover" comment in the WalMart parking lot during the election) but a few times people have come up and said "your bumper stickers made me laugh".

The other one says "every time you vote for a Republican God kills a kitten"...I know, I know folks....

(the thing is I think there are a lot of people around here who don't get the Voldemort one)

91 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:23:54pm

re: #85 freetoken

Look ma, they've got video!

[Video]

They look pretty tense to me.

92 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:23:59pm

It's not as if a man is walking down the street and suddenly finds his penis doing the deed with a woman to whom he's not married.

93 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:24:43pm

re: #86 Slumbering Behemoth

I think you can have both qualities (good leader and good character), and still not be of the monogamous/heterosexual mold.

Y, one of the most frustrating "A=B" in today's politics to me is the silly assumption because we don't know of any given couple's extra-marital affairs we can naturally assume something morally praiseworthy about either one of them.

94 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:26:03pm

re: #90 webevintage

ha! the kitten one made me laugh too.

95 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:26:28pm

re: #81 Rightwingconspirator

Welcome to Indy land! We have been expecting you. We have lots of nice company.

I vote that way anyhoo.
Now maybe I'll quit getting the money requests from the R's.

96 Girth  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:26:40pm

re: #92 MandyManners

It's not as if a man is walking down the street and suddenly finds his penis doing the deed with a woman to whom he's not married.

I tripped over the curb, and it just landed there, honest!
///

97 freetoken  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:26:47pm

re: #91 wrenchwench

Yeah, not exactly a warm and friendly bunch, are they?

This is really showing the weakness of the GOP wrt believing in their own long standing ideology. I'm hoping it will come back to bite them in the ass, sooner rather than later, before too much harm is done.

98 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:26:53pm

re: #90 webevintage

(the thing is I think there are a lot of people around here who don't get the Voldemort one)

Well, is there a lot of witchcraft in your area? I hope not!

/

99 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:27:05pm

re: #95 reine.de.tout

I wish that were so. I'm afraid the pitch just keeps on coming, but from both sides.

100 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:27:17pm

re: #89 MandyManners

I believe a refusal to keep your penis where it belongs shows a serious flaw in character and judgment.

Where does my penis belong? Who makes that decision for me?

Granted, Sanford entered into marriage of his own free will. He burned his wife, and exercised poor judgment in how he went about the affair.

101 srjh  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:28:15pm

How cute.

They think the Teabaggers are a grassroots organisation.

102 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:28:33pm

re: #96 Girth

I tripped over the curb, and it just landed there, honest!
///

Now, that there would be one heckuva' whoopsy-daisy.

103 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:28:36pm

re: #99 Rightwingconspirator

I wish that were so. I'm afraid the pitch just keeps on coming, but from both sides.

And I'll just keep ignoring.

If the Modern Whig party had ever gotten back to me, I might could have tried to get that party formalized here. But they apparently were not interested enough to respond to me, so . . .

104 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:29:29pm

re: #89 MandyManners

I believe a refusal to keep your penis where it belongs shows a serious flaw in character and judgment.

Not to go all alt. lifestyle on you, but where one's penis "belongs" is also nothing that anyone else but the partners should be concerned with. Breaking vows to a partner to be faithful? Yep, that's scummy. But assuming that we all know the agreements and arrangements made between a married couples is foolish - how many couples have de facto open marriages?

105 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:29:33pm

re: #100 Slumbering Behemoth

Where does my penis belong? Who makes that decision for me?

Granted, Sanford entered into marriage of his own free will. He burned his wife, and exercised poor judgment in how he went about the affair.

If you vow to forsake all others, you should abide by that vow. If you can't, then you should divorce.

106 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:30:09pm

re: #104 torrentprime

Not to go all alt. lifestyle on you, but where one's penis "belongs" is also nothing that anyone else but the partners should be concerned with. Breaking vows to a partner to be faithful? Yep, that's scummy. But assuming that we all know the agreements and arrangements made between a married couples is foolish - how many couples have de facto open marriages?

I'm not talking about those unions.

107 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:30:44pm

re: #95 reine.de.tout

I vote that way anyhoo.
Now maybe I'll quit getting the money requests from the R's.

I switched money and votes a few cycles ago, but I couldn't give up my GOP registration. My week would be far darker without my weekly push poll call from the Huckster.

108 cliffster  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:30:47pm

re: #105 MandyManners

If you vow to forsake all others, you should abide by that vow. If you can't, then you should divorce.

Gosh, you are so old fashioned

109 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:30:49pm

re: #92 MandyManners

Well, this one time in Flagstaff...

110 TampaKnight  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:31:31pm

I think if a man is willing to cheat on his wife, he'll cheat others in every aspect of life as well.

111 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:32:19pm

re: #106 MandyManners

I'm not talking about those unions.

That's precisely my point - how do you know which unions are and which aren't? As a general rule, I assume I don't know and it's none of my business.

112 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:33:13pm

re: #105 MandyManners

If you vow to forsake all others, you should abide by that vow. If you can't, then you should divorce.

I absolutely agree. However, as you intimated earlier, it may appear that Sanford refused to put the bit about forsaking all others in his vows.

If that is so, it should have been the first clue for Jenny that Mark was not the man for her, if she was expecting absolute fidelity.

113 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:34:01pm

re: #111 torrentprime

I would really rather not hear about anyone else's sex life for the rest of my life, seriously.

114 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:34:56pm

...

115 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:35:00pm

re: #39 Sergeant Major

"South Carolina GOP Gov. Mark Sanford was one of the movement’s darlings and attended some of the state’s tax day protests"...politico
I thought this movement was about getting back to a more conservative movement. I guess It's okay to associate with a governor that can't stay faithful to his wife while representing the "conservatives" that elected him. The hypocrisy amazes me...no it doesn't.

You're confusing political Conservatism with the bilge peddled by the Religious Right, which has actively sought to co-opt the movement for several decades. Barry Goldwater was famously unhappy with them, and was quite adamant that they did not represent Conservatism in any way.

Given that one of the core principles of Conservatism is small, non-intrusive government that stays out of it's citizen's private lives to the greatest extent possible, it's easy to see how the theocrats don't fit. Yet they've managed to usurp Conservatism's name and used it as leverage to further their own agenda.

As far as a true Conservative is concerned, there would be nothing hypocritical about someone having an affair. It simply wouldn't be anyone's business other than those people directly involved.

If Sanford were an adherent to the views of the Religious Right (I have no idea if he was or not) then hypocrisy might certainly be an issue for him. It doesn't attach itself to whatever Conservative principles he may uphold, if any, because Conservatism has no position on such matters.

116 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:35:30pm

re: #103 reine.de.tout

Well being without a party knocks us out of the primaries. So we do get to ignore more media crapola. Then in the general election, I reject the notion that not voting for either candidate gives something to one or the other. I reject the notion my vote is "wasted". It is given of withheld for cause. Either a candidate is a person I want in office or not. I will not vote for a Republican just because him or her may be less odious. I have a higher standard than that. I totally reject tribalism, often known here as blind partisanship.

117 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:35:55pm

re: #111 torrentprime

That's precisely my point - how do you know which unions are and which aren't? As a general rule, I assume I don't know and it's none of my business.

Generally, if it's a formal marriage, feel free to assume that it's not. I've heard of 'open relationships', but fully 'open marriages' are like ligers, IMHO. Sure, Napoleon Dynamite and the rest of us think that a liger would be totally sweet, and we've created then in captivity, but actually finding one in the wild is a different question...

118 jaunte  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:36:54pm

re: #117 Aceofwhat?

They're probably not found on the Appalachian trail.

119 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:37:15pm

re: #110 TampaKnight

Agreed. Drunk and sleeping with the secretary is bad enough. Drunk and sleeping with the pretty lobbyist from Enron gets worse.

120 simoom  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:37:20pm

re: #4 WindUpBird

LOL South Carolina wants all subversives to pay them five bucks: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

[Link: www.scsos.com...] (SC Secretary of State - Subversive Agent Form [PDF])

Name of Subversive Organization:

Name of Chief Agent of Organization:

Address of Chief Agent:

Check the appropriate box.
Do you or your organization directly or indirectly advocate, advise, teach or practice the duty or necessity of controlling, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States, the state of South Carolina or any political division thereof? [ ] YES [ ] NO

If yes, please outline the fundamental beliefs. If applicable, attach a copy of the bylaws or minutes of meetings from the last year.

Please name all other members of the organization located in South Carolina. If the space on this form is not sufficient, please attach additional pages referring to this section.

Sounds like the SC SoC needs to post a link to this form at FreeRepublic.

121 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:40:13pm

re: #115 SixDegrees

...snip...

If Sanford were an adherent to the views of the Religious Right (I have no idea if he was or not) then hypocrisy might certainly be an issue for him. It doesn't attach itself to whatever Conservative principles he may uphold, if any, because Conservatism has no position on such matters.

He is hardcore religious right--C Street boy.

122 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:41:38pm

re: #113 Obdicut

I would really rather not hear about anyone else's sex life for the rest of my life, seriously.

That would put half the religious right out of busine... Hey! Good idea!

AFA/FOTF/CWA/TVC, are you listening?

123 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:42:48pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

He is hardcore religious right--C Street boy.

I'll take your word for it. If true, then the hypocrisy label likely fits him well. But as noted, it doesn't apply to Conservatism.

Note that he may also be a hypocrite from a Conservative standpoint, as well. It's just that the source of that hypocrisy would have nothing to do with extramarital affairs.

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:42:52pm

re: #12 ArchangelMichael

"We've got to make you men strong. Because tonight, we're going to march the Republican Party off a 3,000 foot cliff. Dying makes a man out of you. I died in the war, they cremated me. And they buried the ashes, right here in my skull. "

ahahahah comment of the day, right here :D

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:44:10pm

re: #105 MandyManners

If you vow to forsake all others, you should abide by that vow. If you can't, then you should divorce.

And if you have an open marriage, and still decide to go into politics, then for God's sake keep your extramarital affairs discreet. Being caught 'hiking the Appalachian Trail' does not count.

126 Bagua  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:44:47pm

re: #124 WindUpBird

New avatar, your work I presume?

127 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:45:47pm

re: #116 Rightwingconspirator

Well being without a party knocks us out of the primaries. So we do get to ignore more media crapola. Then in the general election, I reject the notion that not voting for either candidate gives something to one or the other. I reject the notion my vote is "wasted". It is given of withheld for cause. Either a candidate is a person I want in office or not. I will not vote for a Republican just because him or her may be less odious. I have a higher standard than that. I totally reject tribalism, often known here as blind partisanship.

Louisiana has "open" primaries.
All the candidates are on the ballot, and everybody gets to vote. Sometimes an election is decided in a primary; other times the regular election has to be held. But everyone votes in all elections, regardless of party affiliation.

128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:46:03pm

re: #100 Slumbering Behemoth

Where does my penis belong? Who makes that decision for me?

Sometimes people have emotionally resonant reasons for cheating. Sometimes people are trapped in awful marriages, and they know they're fucked when it comes to custody, assets, etc, if they go for a divorce.

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:46:45pm

re: #126 Bagua

New avatar, your work I presume?

Well, sorta. It's a photo of the costume head, which was actually made by a friend of mine. But the deft Photoshop tweaking is all me!

130 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:47:01pm

re: #117 Aceofwhat?

Generally, if it's a formal marriage, feel free to assume that it's not. I've heard of 'open relationships', but fully 'open marriages' are like ligers, IMHO...

No disagreement. The trick is to not let one's assumption ("I assume they're monogamous") spill over into judgment in the face of evidence to the contrary. And even then personal judgment isn't the same as proof of professional misconduct. There are lots of steps in between, "He cheated on his wife," and "So he should resign."

131 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:47:03pm

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, make sure your wife knows it's an open marriage, or you're a real asshole.

132 Bagua  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:48:29pm

re: #129 WindUpBird

Well, sorta. It's a photo of the costume head, which was actually made by a friend of mine. But the deft Photoshop tweaking is all me!

Cool, very nice. It gives me the impression of being watched and reminds me of some Shamanic masks I've seen.

133 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:48:32pm

It came as a shock to learn that Fat Tuesday is next week. Fortunately, I was still left with enough time to get paczki order in at our authentic Polish bakery in Hamtramck, so my coworkers and I can waddle into Lent together.

The unexpected appearance of Lent is one of the downsides of a movable fast.

134 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:48:49pm

re: #127 reine.de.tout

I found a nice primer on making homemade pasta that might good for the cookbook blog.

135 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:48:56pm

re: #127 reine.de.tout

Interesting. One party can raid the other and distort the primary process. I think California has had that in the past. Its complicated.
History Behind California's Primary Election System

Closed Primary System
A "closed" primary system governed California's primary elections until 1996. In a closed primary, only persons who are registered members of a political party may vote the ballot of that political party.

Open Primary System
The provisions of the "closed" primary system were amended by the adoption of Proposition 198, an initiative statute approved by the voters at the March 26, 1996, Primary Election. Proposition 198 changed the closed primary system to what is known as a "blanket" or "open" primary, in which all registered voters may vote for any candidate, regardless of political affiliation and without a declaration of political faith or allegiance.

On June 26, 2000, the United States Supreme Court issued a decision in California Democratic Party, et. al. v. Jones, stating that California's "open" primary system, established by Proposition 198, was unconstitutional because it violated a political party's First Amendment right of association. Therefore, the Supreme Court overturned Proposition 198.

Modified Closed Primary System
California currently has a "modified" closed primary system. Senate Bill 28 (Ch. 898, Stats. 2000), relating to primary elections, was chaptered on September 29, 2000 and took effect on January 1, 2001. Senate Bill 28 implemented a "modified" closed primary system that permits unaffiliated ("decline to state") voters to participate in a primary election if authorized by an individual party's rules and duly noticed by the Secretary of State.
(Ch. 898, Stats. 2000)

136 cliffster  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:48:57pm

re: #131 Obdicut

Also, make sure your wife knows it's an open marriage, or you're a real asshole.

oh, I thought you knew.. you mean you... oohhhhhh. Just a misunderstanding then.

137 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:49:11pm

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

And if you have an open marriage, and still decide to go into politics, then for God's sake keep your extramarital affairs discreet. Being caught 'hiking the Appalachian Trail' does not count.

I've got to go with the Sports guy's top five adulterers of all time here:
Sorry, Bill Clinton has to be No. 1. Doing it in the Oval Office, in the White House, where there's a log of everyone who visits you, has to be the most reckless move in adultering history. I'd make John Edwards second, Tiger third, Jim Bakker and Gary Hart tied for fourth, and Hugh Grant fifth.

The smartest adulterer ever? Brad Pitt. He upgraded from a workaholic actress who didn't want kids to the hottest/craziest/sexiest woman alive who doubles as a fetus machine … and with no real career repercussions! In fact, nothing Brad Pitt does ever seems to come back and haunt him. Not even his latest beard, when he was a few rubber bands and a ponytail away from looking like Captain Lou Albano. Everything bounces off that dude.

138 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:49:17pm

re: #123 SixDegrees

I'll take your word for it. .....snip.

RW source:

[Link: www.usnews.com...]

139 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:49:19pm

re: #130 torrentprime

No disagreement. The trick is to not let one's assumption ("I assume they're monogamous") spill over into judgment in the face of evidence to the contrary. And even then personal judgment isn't the same as proof of professional misconduct. There are lots of steps in between, "He cheated on his wife," and "So he should resign."

Totally agree.

140 albusteve  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:50:20pm

funny how gay relationships are widely accepted but a trio of mixed partners is not....two the limit!

141 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:51:23pm

re: #131 Obdicut

Also, make sure your wife knows it's an open marriage, or you're a real asshole.

Knows, and is OK with that. Indeed.

142 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:51:44pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

RW source:

[Link: www.usnews.com...]

No necessary. I have no interest in Sanford.

143 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:51:51pm

re: #140 albusteve

funny how gay relationships are widely accepted

From your lips to God's ears.

144 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:52:40pm

re: #131 Obdicut

Also, make sure your wife or husband knows it's an open marriage, or you're a real asshole.

Broadened for accuracy.

145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:52:59pm

Hey, I actually like this tune. Anti-Tea Party anthem?

146 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:58:40pm

re: #142 SixDegrees

No necessary. I have no interest in Sanford.

Sanford--uninteresting. C Street--very interesting.

147 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:58:52pm

re: #140 albusteve

funny how gay relationships are widely accepted but a trio of mixed partners is not...two the limit!

Not for me. Consenting adults can make any arrangement they want as far as I'm concerned.

148 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:58:53pm

re: #127 reine.de.tout

I'm starting the Coffee Bean Party. Will Rachael Maddow or Olbermann call me a coffee beaner?

149 freetoken  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:59:45pm

How did we let this slip under our nose?

Michael Jackson doctor pleads not guilty to manslaughter

If there is a trial this summer it should provide for some needed distraction from the political scene.

150 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 2:59:51pm

re: #108 cliffster

Gosh, you are so old fashioned

If abiding by a contract makes me old-fashioned, I agree.

151 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:00:28pm

Mark Potok says

I mean, I don’t think anybody with two brain cells to rub together could still have fairy-tale dreams about living in a post-racial America. Electing a guy with skin of a certain darkness—surprise, surprise—did not cure the past 400 years of our history. Things just don’t happen in that way.

Hannah Giles says

Take a look at my age group:

1. Our schools have never been segregated. Those days are long gone in relation to our time on earth and the development of our society.

2. We are more likely to throw a fit about someone’s eating habits, clothing, athletic affiliation, political stance, religious views and preferred music genre, than the skin color of our peers.

3. We played a major role in electing President Obama, who is not only the first black president of the U.S. but also the first man to be a minority in the nation he was elected to lead.

Since race has never been an issue for those of and around my age, we are able to conduct higher levels of human bonding. We group ourselves according to ideologies, coming together and uniting around self-determined topics, attractions and goals. Don’t get me wrong. We are not the flower children full only of peace and love. Cultural conflicts still exist, and will continue to exist so long as man has a mind he can call his own.

Ergo, Hannah does not have two brain cells to rub together.

152 albusteve  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:00:54pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

Not for me. Consenting adults can make any arrangement they want as far as I'm concerned.

I think that govts should butt out of that aspect of social contracts, or marriage or whever you want to call it...the time has come imo

153 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:01:00pm

re: #111 torrentprime

That's precisely my point - how do you know which unions are and which aren't? As a general rule, I assume I don't know and it's none of my business.

Ummmm...Sanford made it everyone's business. He's a public figure.

154 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:01:14pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

The resistance to polygamy shows the "alternative lifestyle" claim is a lie. They (the advocates) are reluctant to call it the gay or homosexual lifestyle. So they falsely embrace a larger concept. Spin control FAIL.

155 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:01:24pm

re: #151 wrenchwench

Mark Potok says

Ergo, Hannah does not have two brain cells to rub together.

She doesn't see color.

156 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:01:50pm

re: #135 Rightwingconspirator

Interesting. One party can raid the other and distort the primary process. I think California has had that in the past. Its complicated.
History Behind California's Primary Election System

Closed Primary System
A "closed" primary system governed California's primary elections until 1996. In a closed primary, only persons who are registered members of a political party may vote the ballot of that political party.

Open Primary System
The provisions of the "closed" primary system were amended by the adoption of Proposition 198, an initiative statute approved by the voters at the March 26, 1996, Primary Election. Proposition 198 changed the closed primary system to what is known as a "blanket" or "open" primary, in which all registered voters may vote for any candidate, regardless of political affiliation and without a declaration of political faith or allegiance.

On June 26, 2000, the United States Supreme Court issued a decision in California Democratic Party, et. al. v. Jones, stating that California's "open" primary system, established by Proposition 198, was unconstitutional because it violated a political party's First Amendment right of association. Therefore, the Supreme Court overturned Proposition 198.

Modified Closed Primary System
California currently has a "modified" closed primary system. Senate Bill 28 (Ch. 898, Stats. 2000), relating to primary elections, was chaptered on September 29, 2000 and took effect on January 1, 2001. Senate Bill 28 implemented a "modified" closed primary system that permits unaffiliated ("decline to state") voters to participate in a primary election if authorized by an individual party's rules and duly noticed by the Secretary of State.
(Ch. 898, Stats. 2000)

Actually - in our primaries, all the candidates from all parties are on the ballot, so you just go in and vote for who you want. It's not like it's a primary for Dem candidates only, and so Reps can go in and hijack that process. Elections are often decided during the primary and no general election is needed.

157 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:02:09pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

I found a nice primer on making homemade pasta that might good for the cookbook blog.

GOT IT!

158 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:02:10pm
159 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:02:36pm

re: #112 Slumbering Behemoth

I absolutely agree. However, as you intimated earlier, it may appear that Sanford refused to put the bit about forsaking all others in his vows.

If that is so, it should have been the first clue for Jenny that Mark was not the man for her, if she was expecting absolute fidelity.

Yes, she should have realized that but, the fact that he went to some lengths to hide his infidelity shows that he knew that she would object.

161 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:03:51pm

re: #156 reine.de.tout

Fascinating. Each state has its own way, unless that way fails to pass SCOTUS.

162 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:04:22pm

re: #155 Decatur Deb

She doesn't see color.

And therefore

we are able to conduct higher levels of human bonding.

whoa.

163 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:04:39pm

re: #149 freetoken

How did we let this slip under our nose?

Michael Jackson doctor pleads not guilty to manslaughter

If there is a trial this summer it should provide for some needed distraction from the political scene.

According to Joe Jackson, Michael's dad, these charges are a cover-up of a much larger and more sinister conspiracy.

So, yes, the entertainment value of this whole affair is definitely not over.

164 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:04:42pm

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

And if you have an open marriage, and still decide to go into politics, then for God's sake keep your extramarital affairs discreet. Being caught 'hiking the Appalachian Trail' does not count.

I bet there's more than a smidgen of narcissism in his personality.

165 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:06:24pm

re: #137 HoosierHoops

I've got to go with the Sports guy's top five adulterers of all time here:
Sorry, Bill Clinton has to be No. 1. Doing it in the Oval Office, in the White House, where there's a log of everyone who visits you, has to be the most reckless move in adultering history. I'd make John Edwards second, Tiger third, Jim Bakker and Gary Hart tied for fourth, and Hugh Grant fifth.

The smartest adulterer ever? Brad Pitt. He upgraded from a workaholic actress who didn't want kids to the hottest/craziest/sexiest woman alive who doubles as a fetus machine … and with no real career repercussions! In fact, nothing Brad Pitt does ever seems to come back and haunt him. Not even his latest beard, when he was a few rubber bands and a ponytail away from looking like Captain Lou Albano. Everything bounces off that dude.

Do you think that's admirable?

166 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:06:33pm

re: #153 MandyManners

Ummm...Sanford made it everyone's business. He's a public figure.

When you said, "I believe a refusal to keep your penis where it belongs shows a serious flaw in character and judgment" I was making a point that we didn't know anything about Sanford's arrangements with his wife, nor are we ever likely to know the arrangements of any married couple just by looking at them, and even if we did such concerns are not necessarily germane to one's comportment in office.

Also, given that (according to his wife) Sanford did not vow to remain faithful, can you say he didn't keep it where it "belonged"? See how messy that whole thing is? I prefer to say, "It's none of my business," and worry about how the wo/man handled the responsibility of the office. I didn't elect anyone Husband or Wife; I voted for a senator/rep/president, etc.

167 freetoken  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:06:40pm

re: #163 SixDegrees

Oh yes, the family should provide plenty of comic relief.

168 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:08:03pm

re: #159 MandyManners

Yes, she should have realized that but, the fact that he went to some lengths to hide his infidelity shows that he knew that she would object.

And none of that hiding was to preserve his office or political worth? It's nice to think that he was doing all the hiding to spare his wife finding out (/sarc), but he knew there would be a price to pay politically as well.

169 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:10:55pm

re: #146 Decatur Deb

Sanford--uninteresting. C Street--very interesting.

Well, kind of. I've read everything I can find about The Family, and to be honest I'm less than impressed. Every single article I've found traces directly back to an article or book by Jeff Sharlet, who seems to be the single source for information on a group that's been around for nearly a century and which, at least according to Sharlet, exercises enormous influence.

Sharlet is also pounding his latest book on the topic.

Let's just say that, until I see confirmation from a secondary source, I'm withholding judgment on the group. Although it certainly exists, there's no independent verification of any of Sharlet's claims, many of which strike me as, well, imaginative.

170 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:11:06pm

re: #165 MandyManners

Do you think that's admirable?

Is there anything admirable about being listed on the top 5 adulterers list?
I report..You decide..*wink*

171 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:11:11pm

re: #154 Rightwingconspirator

The resistance to polygamy shows the "alternative lifestyle" claim is a lie. They (the advocates) are reluctant to call it the gay or homosexual lifestyle. So they falsely embrace a larger concept. Spin control FAIL.

I'm not sure which way you're going on this. They are reluctant probably because there is no such thing as a gay/homsexual lifestyle. You're confusing orientation with partner choice(s), if I'm reading correctly.

172 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:11:19pm

re: #166 torrentprime

When you said, "I believe a refusal to keep your penis where it belongs shows a serious flaw in character and judgment" I was making a point that we didn't know anything about Sanford's arrangements with his wife, nor are we ever likely to know the arrangements of any married couple just by looking at them, and even if we did such concerns are not necessarily germane to one's comportment in office.

Also, given that (according to his wife) Sanford did not vow to remain faithful, can you say he didn't keep it where it "belonged"? See how messy that whole thing is? I prefer to say, "It's none of my business," and worry about how the wo/man handled the responsibility of the office. I didn't elect anyone Husband or Wife; I voted for a senator/rep/president, etc.

His character flaw lead to his state spending thousands of dollars on trying to find him so, yes it matters where his penis was because it's attached to his body.

173 darthstar  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:12:26pm

re: #172 MandyManners

His character flaw lead to his state spending thousands of dollars on trying to find him so, yes it matters where his penis was because it's attached to his body.

It isn't where his penis was that got him in trouble...it's where his penis wasn't.

174 Locker  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:12:57pm

re: #172 MandyManners

His character flaw lead to his state spending thousands of dollars on trying to find him so, yes it matters where his penis was because it's attached to his body.

Way to avoid the question.

175 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:13:19pm

re: #172 MandyManners

His character flaw lead to his state spending thousands of dollars on trying to find him so, yes it matters where his penis was because it's attached to his body.

No, that was caused by the lying and keeping it hidden, not the infidelity itself. If he had been single, or a swinger (in some bizarro universe where such people could be elected governor of SC), there would have been no lying and no wild goose chase. Again, it's not the crime but the cover up.

176 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:13:43pm

re: #167 freetoken

Oh yes, the family should provide plenty of comic relief.

I wonder what Bubbles thinks of all this?

177 elizajane  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:15:12pm

re: #75 torrentprime

178 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:15:18pm

re: #176 SixDegrees

I wonder what Bubbles thinks of all this?

He's dead Jim

179 Bagua  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:15:28pm

re: #176 SixDegrees

I wonder what Bubbles thinks of all this?

Not much, Bubbles is also dead.

180 Bagua  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:15:43pm

re: #178 HoosierHoops

jinx

181 elizajane  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:16:36pm

re: #75 torrentprime

My workplace is pretty liberal (the number of "No on 8" buttons and stickers on my floor in fall '08 was heartening), but one the whole I agree with you. Politics is for pubs; that's why God invented Guinness and pool cues.
I keep my "Republicans for Voldemort" bumper stickers hidden. Although that's just as much because they're ridiculously juvenile as partisan.

Whoops, that last one didn't work. I wanted to know where I could get my very own "Republicans for Voldemort" bumper sticker. Maybe I could put a discrete shade over it except when I drive to Berkeley.....

182 albusteve  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:16:54pm

re: #175 torrentprime

No, that was caused by the lying and keeping it hidden, not the infidelity itself. If he had been single, or a swinger (in some bizarro universe where such people could be elected governor of SC), there would have been no lying and no wild goose chase. Again, it's not the crime but the cover up.

can't split that hair any finer...or can you?

183 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:18:16pm

re: #175 torrentprime

No, that was caused by the lying and keeping it hidden, not the infidelity itself. If he had been single, or a swinger (in some bizarro universe where such people could be elected governor of SC), there would have been no lying and no wild goose chase. Again, it's not the crime but the cover up.

I agree with that assessment.

184 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:18:39pm

re: #182 albusteve

can't split that hair any finer...or can you?

If by "split", you mean "refer to two totally separate things (sex and lying about one's location), only one of which affects your elected office", then... sure. Consider that hair split.

185 MandyManners  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:20:28pm

Gotta' finish cooking dinner and feed the hordes.

186 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:20:50pm

re: #178 HoosierHoops

He's dead Jim

He appears to be spending his retirement in Florida. Although there are ugly rumors of a suicide attempt floating around.

187 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:21:28pm

re: #181 elizajane

Whoops, that last one didn't work. I wanted to know where I could get my very own "Republicans for Voldemort" bumper sticker. Maybe I could put a discrete shade over it except when I drive to Berkeley...

I got a few for free with some tshirts I ordered from bustedtees or one of the cafepress stores. The stickers are sold all over the web, though; shouldn't be hard to find.

188 albusteve  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:21:31pm

re: #184 torrentprime

If by "split", you mean "refer to two totally separate things (sex and lying about one's location), only one of which affects your elected office", then... sure. Consider that hair split.

yes, excellent job of sorting out all that

189 zora  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:22:27pm

Ron Paul is now up to four primary challengers. At least three of them are tea partiers. Ron Paul does not pass the tea party purity test and the paulians started the tea parties. As of yet there is no dem in the race.

190 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:22:33pm

re: #169 SixDegrees

...snip...

Let's just say that, until I see confirmation from a secondary source, I'm withholding judgment on the group. Although it certainly exists, there's no independent verification of any of Sharlet's claims, many of which strike me as, well, imaginative.

Can't vouch for this source, but it refers to things in the public record.
This seems to have documentable facts not related to Sharlet. They certainly exist, they are by identity influential, and call their hooch a "church".

[Link: www.google.com...]

191 oldegeezr  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:23:16pm

State Republican Party Chairwoman Karen Floyd said…

”… “What we mean by that [uniting with tea baggers] is being ideologically in step with our platform of creating a small government and advancing individual liberty,” insisting that partnering with the tea parties would not block support for more moderate candidates.

If yeh believe that Karen, I gotta a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell yah….!

Does anyone else realize the political significance of this press release? This might be the beginning, of the establishment of the Tea Baggers, as a third political party in this country...!

My nest question is…with this news; will Limbaugh have another “spell” tomorrow ,like he had in Hawaii…?

This could do for the Democrats, what Perot did to the Republicans in 1992…“i'v été ici avant…!”

192 simoom  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:24:27pm

Mesmerizing short film:

Nuit Blanche

(source: [Link: gammasquad.uproxx.com...] )

193 Girth  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:25:17pm

re: #189 zora

Ron Paul is now up to four primary challengers. At least three of them are tea partiers. Ron Paul does not pass the tea party purity test and the paulians started the tea parties. As of yet there is no dem in the race.

Interesting times, no?

194 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:26:20pm

re: #190 Decatur Deb

Can't vouch for this source, but it refers to things in the public record.
This seems to have documentable facts not related to Sharlet. They certainly exist, they are by identity influential, and call their hooch a "church".

[Link: www.google.com...]

I'm aware of their history. I just haven't found any of the information promoted by Sharlet to have any independent confirmation.

As such, I'm treating it as simple book promotion rather than fact until I hear otherwise.

I've traced down many, many articles that lead directly back to Sharlet's material. This one seems to be no exception; although it doesn't provide sources, most of their material is recycled directly from Sharlet's work.

If there's independent confirmation somewhere, I haven't located it.

195 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:26:39pm

re: #189 zora

Ron Paul is now up to four primary challengers. At least three of them are tea partiers. Ron Paul does not pass the tea party purity test and the paulians started the tea parties. As of yet there is no dem in the race.

That's a dirty lie!!1!
/wait, what?

196 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:27:34pm

re: #191 oldegeezr

State Republican Party Chairwoman Karen Floyd said…

If yeh believe that Karen, I gotta a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell yah….!

Does anyone else realize the political significance of this press release? This might be the beginning, of the establishment of the Tea Baggers, as a third political party in this country...!

My nest question is…with this news; will Limbaugh have another “spell” tomorrow ,like he had in Hawaii…?

This could do for the Democrats, what Perot did to the Republicans in 1992…“i'v été ici avant…!”

I kinda thought just the opposite, it means the TPs are merging with the GOP... IMO

197 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:28:40pm

re: #186 SixDegrees

He appears to be spending his retirement in Florida. Although there are ugly rumors of a suicide attempt floating around.

I feel bad for Jackson...Maybe they will bury Bubbles next to him someday.
Too have that much talent..That much money..Maybe the biggest Super Star of all time.. He was so lonely and messed up in his life...Even his Beautiful children never filled the void in his Soul....
Dead weighing 136lbs and needing a doctor to just put him asleep every night..
He never had enough of any peace to just lay down and go to sleep..
I read his Book Moonwalk years ago...interesting

198 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:29:01pm

re: #196 brookly red

I kinda thought just the opposite, it means the TPs are merging with the GOP... IMO

I definitely agree that the GOP sees it that way (or, rather, wants it to be so), as a harness/control over the TPers, but the question is whether the TPers see it that way.

199 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:31:08pm

re: #198 torrentprime

I definitely agree that the GOP sees it that way (or, rather, wants it to be so), as a harness/control over the TPers, but the question is whether the TPers see it that way.

I think that both groups (and I am sure there is considerable overlap) see strength in numbers...

200 Girth  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:31:09pm

LOL! Finally, truth in advertising!

[Link: www.thrfeed.com...]

201 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:31:20pm

re: #194 SixDegrees

...snip...
If there's independent confirmation somewhere, I haven't located it.

The claims should be easily debunkable, if false. Records such as property transfers and tax status filings are open to investigators in the area. Sooner or later they'll get a second look.

202 darthstar  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:33:18pm

re: #196 brookly red

I kinda thought just the opposite, it means the TPs are merging with the GOP... IMO

So when there's a Republican town hall meeting and some idiot with a racist sign starts shouting "kill 'em all!" will he be a Republican or a Teabagger? For politicians, distancing themselves from the wackos becomes a more difficult issue.

203 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:34:45pm

re: #200 Girth

LOL! Finally, truth in advertising!

[Link: www.thrfeed.com...]

Jersey Shore people get two of the six examples on that page? The show has been around since roughly last Tuesday!
/rant

204 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:34:58pm

re: #202 darthstar

So when there's a Republican town hall meeting and some idiot with a racist sign starts shouting "kill 'em all!" will he be a Republican or a Teabagger? For politicians, distancing themselves from the wackos becomes a more difficult issue.

might just be an independent, in the end all that matters is how the votes get counted.

205 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:36:31pm

re: #154 Rightwingconspirator

The resistance to polygamy shows the "alternative lifestyle" claim is a lie. They (the advocates) are reluctant to call it the gay or homosexual lifestyle. So they falsely embrace a larger concept. Spin control FAIL.

Huh? I can't even figure out what you're talking about here.

206 Girth  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:37:20pm

Why in the hell do some online job applications not let you paste your resume in a field? And then they have full date fields with day included for work experience...No, I can't remember what day in August of 2002 I started that job....ITS A STUPID FARGIN' QUESTION!

207 darthstar  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:37:55pm

re: #200 Girth

LOL! Finally, truth in advertising!

[Link: www.thrfeed.com...]

It would have been better if they'd gone back to airing Pat Benetar and .38 Special videos.

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:38:02pm

re: #206 Girth

Why in the hell do some online job applications not let you paste your resume in a field? And then they have full date fields with day included for work experience...No, I can't remember what day in August of 2002 I started that job...ITS A STUPID FARGIN' QUESTION!

I just say the first of the month.

209 SixDegrees  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:38:07pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

The claims should be easily debunkable, if false. Records such as property transfers and tax status filings are open to investigators in the area. Sooner or later they'll get a second look.

Until that happens, I'm skeptical of Sharlet's accounts. Lots of unnamed sources. Even more statements that are not sourced at all. And to date, no corroboration.

210 albusteve  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:38:09pm

re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist

Huh? I can't even figure out what you're talking about here.

actually neither did I, but I just moved on

211 darthstar  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:39:22pm

re: #204 brookly red

might just be an independent, in the end all that matters is how the votes get counted.

Don't you mean how the votes get cast? Wait...never mind.

212 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:39:59pm

re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist

I think he's trying to say its hypocritical that people are pro-gay, anti-polyamory.

The second part is kinda... gibberishy tho'

The funny thing about it is, the framing of the issue is largely because proponents think that gays are more acceptable than poyamorists, and so they're trying to take small steps to defuse criticism.


Of course this doesn't work at all, mainly because the whole issue is a huge dogwhistle to people who get the 'icks' from any other sexuality.

213 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:39:59pm

re: #206 Girth

Why in the hell do some online job applications not let you paste your resume in a field? And then they have full date fields with day included for work experience...No, I can't remember what day in August of 2002 I started that job...ITS A STUPID FARGIN' QUESTION!

better to ignore those sites, they are mostly data mining unless of course it is the employers home site, if then, what can i say?

214 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:40:56pm

Company meeting time. Activate fixed smiles and caffeine IV.

(later all)

215 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:41:14pm

re: #211 darthstar

Don't you mean how the votes get cast? Wait...never mind.

the devil is in the detail... no?

216 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:42:00pm

re: #213 brookly red

unless of course it is the employers home site, if then, what can i say?

Having worked in a placement company for a while, (for vets, no less), I can say its 'bad practices' :p

217 Girth  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:42:31pm

re: #207 darthstar

It would have been better if they'd gone back to airing Pat Benetar and .38 Special videos.

Nirvana!

And bring back Matt Pinfield and 120 Minutes!

218 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:44:16pm

re: #217 Girth

I will always upding my hometown boys :D

219 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:44:32pm

re: #216 windsagio

Having worked in a placement company for a while, (for vets, no less), I can say its 'bad practices' :p

oh don't get me started on bad practices... some of these folks should be wearing orange jumpsuits...

220 Girth  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:44:49pm

re: #213 brookly red

It was the employer's site.

221 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:45:47pm

re: #220 Girth

It was the employer's site.

good luck...

222 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:45:47pm

re: #220 Girth

I shouldn't say this, and so I'm not REALLY giving you adivce, but fake it, the HR people probably ignore that field anyways :P

223 oldegeezr  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:46:16pm

re: #196 brookly red

Hey br…

It’s like when the Taliban becomes part of the legitimate govmint in Afghanistan or Al Qaeda becomes part of the new parliament in Iraq…!

Some have euphemistically referred to it as “the camel’s nose”…!

Do I have to draw yeh a graphic… ;-)

224 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:47:58pm

re: #212 windsagio

I think he's trying to say its hypocritical that people are pro-gay, anti-polyamory.

The second part is kinda... gibberishy tho'

The funny thing about it is, the framing of the issue is largely because proponents think that gays are more acceptable than poyamorists, and so they're trying to take small steps to defuse criticism.


Of course this doesn't work at all, mainly because the whole issue is a huge dogwhistle to people who get the 'icks' from any other sexuality.

If you can claim that there's nothing wrong with wanting keep 'traditional' marriage for a man and a woman and that's not at ALL discriminatory, I hardly see why I couldn't say that I was in favor of any two people choosing one another in love, but opposed polyamory on the principle that traditional Western marriage involved two partners. But that would just be me being difficult.

However, in point of fact, I am fine with polyamory, although I have to admit that the gay couples I know are more functional than the polyamorous groups I know, which has certainly colored my perception of the two 'lifestyles'. I would, however, never presume to tell people who they could live with on the grounds that I thought some friends of mine were annoying with their drama.

As to legalizing plural marriages, there's worlds of complexity there beyond the same-sex marriage issue.

225 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:48:22pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

I just say the first of the month.

After College I spent 20 years working over by you at Mare Island as a Nuke.
Remember when we closed down ..It ook 2 frigging years to lay off everybody..
Every Friday night there was a party somewhere for 30 to 200 workers for their last night before they moved on.. It was the most painful 2 years of my life to say goodbye to co-workers every Friday night...My best friend in the whole world went to the Air Force Academy...We rarely talk....
It destroyed Vallejo...

226 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:49:07pm

re: #223 oldegeezr

Hey br…

It’s like when the Taliban becomes part of the legitimate govmint in Afghanistan or Al Qaeda becomes part of the new parliament in Iraq…!

Some have euphemistically referred to it as “the camel’s nose”…!

Do I have to draw yeh a graphic… ;-)

/so one one hand a camel's noes, and on the other hand a horse's ass... it is what it is & shall see when the votes are counted.

227 Girth  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:49:48pm

re: #222 windsagio

I shouldn't say this, and so I'm not REALLY giving you adivce, but fake it, the HR people probably ignore that field anyways :P

I filled em all in with the 15th of the month. Just a waste of time, that's all.

On that note, I think it's time for beer, wings and to dominate a few games of trivia at my favorite local establishment.

Later.

228 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:50:40pm

re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist

oh I agree, I was just witness to a poly relationship dissolving messily (no, I wasn't involved :p). The additional difficulties are kinda beside the point tho' >

The point is that more people will be upset by polyamory, so people try to start small... And it doesn't work.

229 prairiefire  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:53:55pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Thanks, Kilgore. I bookmarked that. I saw your post for your sweet potato rec.

230 Silvergirl  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:54:51pm

LGF in the news today (sort of)

A reference to Rathergate at Real Clear Politics Irony of the Day

231 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:55:05pm

re: #226 brookly red

speaking of Horses asses, did anyone link the story about the WA initiative to replace the state seal with "a tapeworm dressed in a three piece suit attached to the taxpayer’s rectum"?

If so, sorry, but otherwise its worth mentioning :p

232 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:57:55pm

re: #231 windsagio

speaking of Horses asses, did anyone link the story about the WA initiative to replace the state seal with "a tapeworm dressed in a three piece suit attached to the taxpayer’s rectum"?

If so, sorry, but otherwise its worth mentioning :p

wow... just wow. people are really pissed.

233 Silvergirl  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:58:39pm

re: #175 torrentprime

No, that was caused by the lying and keeping it hidden, not the infidelity itself. If he had been single, or a swinger (in some bizarro universe where such people could be elected governor of SC), there would have been no lying and no wild goose chase. Again, it's not the crime but the cover up.

It ain't the meat, it's the motion . . .

No, that doesn't apply. Just humming Maria Muldaur tunes here.

234 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:59:23pm

re: #232 brookly red

WA state has a history of crazy/stupid initiatives.

235 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 3:59:53pm

OT ... but Elie Wiesel had some harsh words for dinnerjackass ...

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

236 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:00:00pm

re: #234 windsagio

My favorite was still the one to replace the state song with "Louie, Louie."

237 darthstar  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:00:36pm

re: #231 windsagio

speaking of Horses asses, did anyone link the story about the WA initiative to replace the state seal with "a tapeworm dressed in a three piece suit attached to the taxpayer’s rectum"?

If so, sorry, but otherwise its worth mentioning :p

Nice angry rant, but they misspelled "committed" at the end of their application.

238 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:00:39pm

re: #236 EmmmieG

hey now! That one had popular support!

Aah, direct Democracy >

239 albusteve  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:01:13pm

re: #236 EmmmieG

My favorite was still the one to replace the state song with "Louie, Louie."

heh...I could get on board with that

240 oldegeezr  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:02:20pm

re: #226 brookly red

br…
I’m not attempting to be antagonistic. I’m just sayin’ it could be historic and Mr. Limbaugh will go apoplectic…!

Now …I’m gonna have only my second vodka tonic…!

241 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:02:22pm

re: #236 EmmmieG

My favorite was still the one to replace the state song with "Louie, Louie."

I don't know if we have a state song in NY... but I can think of some interesting choices .

242 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:02:47pm

re: #239 albusteve

In 1985, Ross Shafer, host and a writer-performer of the late-night comedy series Almost Live! on the Seattle TV station KING, spearheaded an effort to have "Louie Louie" replace "Washington, My Home" by Helen Davis as Washington's official state song.[18] Picking up on this initially prankish effort, Whatcom County Councilman Craig Cole introduced Resolution No. 85-12 in the state legislature, citing the need for a "contemporary theme song that can be used to engender a sense of pride and community, and in the enhancement of tourism and economic development". His resolution also called for the creation of a new "Louie Louie County". While the House did not pass it, the Senate's Resolution 1985-37 declared April 12, 1985, "Louie Louie Day". A crowd of 4,000, estimated by press reports, convened on the state capitol that day for speeches, singalongs, and performances by the Wailers, the Kingsmen, and Paul Revere and the Raiders. Two days later, a Seattle event commemorated the occasion with the premiere performance of a new, Washington-centric version of the song written by composer Berry.

I remember Louie Louie day!

243 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:03:23pm

re: #242 windsagio

Almost Live was like SNL but 300% funnier. The syndicated version was only about 100% funnier, tho'

244 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:03:26pm

re: #241 brookly red

Most states have a state song with is usually long, and lyrically effusive about the beauties of the state.

Most people don't know them.

245 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:04:00pm

re: #242 windsagio

I remember Louie Louie day!

Yeah, but . . . what were the lyrics?
Incomprehensible, as I recall, except for the Louie Louie part.

246 albusteve  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:04:21pm

re: #242 windsagio

I remember Louie Louie day!

it's a great party song, the grand daddy of 'em all...I've posted it many's the time

247 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:04:38pm

re: #244 EmmmieG

Most states have a state song with is usually long, and lyrically effusive about the beauties of the state.

Most people don't know them.

we have so many NY songs I can't even count em...

248 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:04:38pm

re: #234 windsagio

WA state has a history of crazy/stupid initiatives.

The silliness in WA state started when they decided not to name it "Columbia" because they were concerned that it could be confused with the District of Columbia.

249 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:05:02pm

re: #245 reine.de.tout

Yeah, but . . . what were the lyrics?
Incomprehensible, as I recall, except for the Louie Louie part.

Louie, Louie, oh baby said we gotta go, yeah yeah yeah

Something, something, watermelon, something something

How's taht?

250 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:05:16pm

re: #140 albusteve

funny how gay relationships are widely accepted but a trio of mixed partners is not...two the limit!

If you start allowing three people to marry it screws up taxes. Its just as easy for the IRS to handle a homosexual couples tax returns as a heterosexual ones, but not one made up of three people....

251 albusteve  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:05:37pm

re: #245 reine.de.tout

Yeah, but . . . what were the lyrics?
Incomprehensible, as I recall, except for the Louie Louie part.

here's the entire myth....

[Link: www.xs4all.nl...]

252 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:05:38pm

re: #233 Silvergirl

It ain't the meat, it's the motion . . .

No, that doesn't apply. Just humming Maria Muldaur tunes here.

Come on Lizards..Mark doesn't even rate honorable Mention on the Adulterer's list..
Tiger Woods? Smoking Hot Wife and 14 mistresses on the side?
Gawd I want to ghost write his book...I want all the background!
Just one tape and I'm living in a Condo on the Beach in Hawaii and tending to my winery in Napa Valley...1 tape...Mark isn't on the top 1000 affairs...
/

253 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:07:06pm

re: #244 EmmmieG

Most states have a state song with is usually long, and lyrically effusive about the beauties of the state.

Most people don't know them.

We have two, apparently.

One is "You Are My Sunshine"

The second one is "Give Me Louisiana" - I've never heard it, I've never heard of it.

254 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:07:11pm

re: #248 wrenchwench

hah we sure showed 'em!


"Washington STATE" 'cuz all the easterners thought of DC made me so mad when I was a kid >>

ps: brook, Your song is actually called "I love New York". Its not even on Youtube.

Washington has 3 state songs, this one being the best

255 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:07:13pm

re: #249 EmmmieG

Louie, Louie, oh baby said we gotta go, yeah yeah yeah

Something, something, watermelon, something something

How's taht?

got this on Google...
Louie Louie, oh no
Me gotta go
Aye-yi-yi-yi, I said
Louie Louie, oh baby
Me gotta go

Fine little girl waits for me
Catch a ship across the sea
Sail that ship about, all alone
Never know if I make it home

CHORUS

Three nights and days I sail the sea
Think of girl, constantly
On that ship, I dream she's there
I smell the rose in her hair.

CHORUS

Okay, let's give it to 'em, right now!

GUITAR SOLO

See Jamaica, the moon above
It won't be long, me see me love
Take her in my arms again
Tell her I'll never leave again

CHORUS

Let's take it on outa here now
Let's go!!

256 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:07:38pm

re: #252 HoosierHoops

He gets kudos for the euphemism 'hiking the Appalachian Trail'.
;)

257 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:07:42pm

re: #243 windsagio

Almost Live was like SNL but 300% funnier. The syndicated version was only about 100% funnier, tho'

When I lived in Everett we got Pat Cashman to record our answering machine message for us.

Hello. We can't answer the phone right now. If you're a friend, leave a message. If you're looking for money, give up. If you're family, you have the wrong number. Thank you.
258 albusteve  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:07:48pm

re: #250 jamesfirecat

If you start allowing three people to marry it screws up taxes. Its just as easy for the IRS to handle a homosexual couples tax returns as a heterosexual ones, but not one made up of three people...

too bad...the IRS should do what it's told...if it's the the will of the people

259 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:07:50pm

re: #250 jamesfirecat

If you start allowing three people to marry it screws up taxes. Its just as easy for the IRS to handle a homosexual couples tax returns as a heterosexual ones, but not one made up of three people...

I see absolutely no reason why the IRS could not find the way to handle a three way tax return... it's simply exponential... that's like... simple math concept?

If three people want to be considered domestic partners, fine.

260 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:08:45pm

re: #253 reine.de.tout

"you are my sunshine?" Thats just weird :p

Good song tho'

always makes me think of the muppet version

261 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:09:03pm

re: #256 Varek Raith

He gets kudos for the euphemism 'hiking the Appalachian Trail'.
;)

He should have said he was visiting the Troops in Iraq..
/

262 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:09:09pm

re: #259 Walter L. Newton

Good evening, Walter.
:)

263 Silvergirl  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:09:18pm

re: #244 EmmmieG

Most states have a state song with is usually long, and lyrically effusive about the beauties of the state.

Most people don't know them.

Here's mine. I'll leave out the state so anyone can guess.

Land of the Empire Builders, Land of the Golden West;
Conquered and held by free men, Fairest and the best.
On-ward and upward ever, Forward and on, and on;
Hail to thee, Land of the Heroes, My _________.

Land of the rose and sunshine, Land of the summer's breeze;
Laden with health and vigor, Fresh from the western seas.
Blest by the blood of martyrs, Land of the setting sun;
Hail to thee, Land of Promise, My _________.

264 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:09:37pm

re: #251 albusteve

here's the entire myth...

[Link: www.xs4all.nl...]

ROFL!
I had to bookmark that, hilarious!

265 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:09:58pm

re: #254 windsagio

hah we sure showed 'em!

"Washington STATE" 'cuz all the easterners thought of DC made me so mad when I was a kid >>

ps: brook, Your song is actually called "I love New York". Its not even on Youtube.

Washington has 3 state songs, this one being the best

I would have gone with that little diddity by Frank Sanatra...

266 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:10:25pm

re: #258 albusteve

of course its not the will of the people. The problem is, 'should it be?' :p

I am specifically not making a moral comparison, but legally, its comparable to black civil rights. That wasn't the will of the people either

267 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:10:40pm

re: #259 Walter L. Newton

I see absolutely no reason why the IRS could not find the way to handle a three way tax return... it's simply exponential... that's like... simple math concept?

If three people want to be considered domestic partners, fine.

/who's on first?

268 darthstar  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:11:06pm

re: #259 Walter L. Newton

Ha! Good to see you, Walter...and nice new picture, too.

269 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:11:14pm

re: #265 brookly red

that would have been good, might have been a licensing issue :p

270 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:11:21pm

re: #260 windsagio

"you are my sunshine?" Thats just weird :p

Good song tho'

always makes me think of the muppet version

[Video]

The author was a governor of La at one time (Jimmie Davis).
He had a radio show every Sunday morning where he sang. My dad listened to it all the time. The song I remember from that is Jimmie Davis singing "The Church in the Wildwood", with my dad singing along.

271 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:11:43pm

re: #262 Varek Raith

Good evening, Walter.
:)

Evening... just got in from the store... Tuesday is senior day... 50 percent off 4 of the five color tags for seniors... I love the seniors... buying all the outdated technology because... well... it reminds them of their youth... when that stuff was the NEW technology.

272 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:12:02pm

re: #270 reine.de.tout

That's a brilliant story :D

273 zora  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:12:10pm

OT......The NYT needs to put up or shut up about having the goods on Patterson. I hope they do better than they did with the McCain / Vickie Iseman crap.

274 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:12:25pm

re: #268 darthstar

Ha! Good to see you, Walter...and nice new picture, too.

Is this an ambush?

275 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:12:27pm

re: #269 windsagio

that would have been good, might have been a licensing issue :p

emanate domain ?

276 albusteve  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:13:16pm

re: #253 reine.de.tout

We have two, apparently.

One is "You Are My Sunshine"

The second one is "Give Me Louisiana" - I've never heard it, I've never heard of it.

this should be Louisiana's official song.....repost, but I can't help it

277 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:14:24pm

re: #275 brookly red

oh man I'm for that. Then they can give Youtube governmental powers, and smash those bastards at WMG and UMG!!

/

278 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:14:57pm

re: #260 windsagio

hahaha!
At the end of that they play "come to the church in the wildwood", which is the other song I mentioned

re: #270 reine.de.tout

The author was a governor of La at one time (Jimmie Davis).
He had a radio show every Sunday morning where he sang. My dad listened to it all the time. The song I remember from that is Jimmie Davis singing "The Church in the Wildwood", with my dad singing along.

279 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:15:00pm

re: #277 windsagio

oh man I'm for that. Then they can give Youtube governmental powers, and smash those bastards at WMG and UMG!!

/

some day it will all be Google...

280 prairiefire  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:15:26pm

re: #259 Walter L. Newton

Hi, Walter. How was work? I hope your drive in was alright.

281 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:15:44pm

re: #278 reine.de.tout

hahaha!
At the end of that they play "come to the church in the wildwood", which is the other song I mentioned

re: #270 reine.de.tout

OOPS - no, I had something else going at the same time, didn't realize it.

282 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:16:13pm

re: #280 prairiefire

Hi, Walter. How was work? I hope your drive in was alright.

Yes... Monday, a little snow packed, this morning, a few spots of ice, it's all gone off the roads now...

283 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:16:15pm

re: #279 brookly red

Google already owns youtube ;)

re: #276 albusteve

The SSB aside, people should be able to sing state/national songs without being amazing singers :)

284 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:16:57pm

re: #259 Walter L. Newton

I see absolutely no reason why the IRS could not find the way to handle a three way tax return... it's simply exponential... that's like... simple math concept?

If three people want to be considered domestic partners, fine.

Wow evidently I'm not the only one who can misread a sarcastic answer, guess next time I'll need to include the slash...

285 reine.de.tout  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:16:57pm

re: #276 albusteve

this should be Louisiana's official song...repost, but I can't help it

[Video]

yeah - you got a point.

286 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:17:05pm

re: #271 Walter L. Newton

Evening... just got in from the store... Tuesday is senior day... 50 percent off 4 of the five color tags for seniors... I love the seniors... buying all the outdated technology because... well... it reminds them of their youth... when that stuff was the NEW technology.

Do more loss-lead on Tuesdays!
If you are a senior citizen and buy anything at all we will give you a 15" CRT from the back room..Buy 2 things we will give you an Apple II Computer..

287 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:18:32pm

And don't forget... episode 3 of season six, the final season of LOST... title of tonight's episode is "What Kate Does," which is in direct opposition to season one's episode "What Kate Did."

If you have been keeping up with the time travel theme and the apparent duel time lines happening right now, the title will make sense to you.

288 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:19:57pm

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

I hope Lost ends with a Möbius strip moment, where it pans to the cast watching people watching Lost on TV.

289 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:20:23pm

re: #286 HoosierHoops

Do more loss-lead on Tuesdays!
If you are a senior citizen and buy anything at all we will give you a 15" CRT from the back room..Buy 2 things we will give you an Apple II Computer..

I throw away a dozen or more CRT's every week. They don't sell. Don't let thrift stores fool you. They accept ALL donations but there is no way they can sell EVERYTHING nor is some of the items even sellable.

A lot of people use thrift store donations as simply a way to get someone to take out their trash.

290 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:21:11pm

re: #284 jamesfirecat

Wow evidently I'm not the only one who can misread a sarcastic answer, guess next time I'll need to include the slash...

I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm serious about my answer. I have no problem with a 3 way dedicated domestic partner situation...

291 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:21:48pm

re: #288 windsagio

I hope Lost ends with a Möbius strip moment, where it pans to the cast watching people watching Lost on TV.


"When does this happen in the movie?"

"You're looking at now now!"

"What happened to then?"

"We passed then."

"When?"

"Just now?"

"When will then be now?"

"Soon."

(As best I can recall)

292 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:22:28pm

Disclosure: I grew up in South Carolina, but nothing said here in regard to my former home state offends me. One of the advantages of being Southern is that you get used to your home being a national punchline. Indeed, it rather strengthens the laudable quality of having a sense of humor about yourself.

...besides, as our old pal Clayton Cramer once said, "Immigration is the sincerest form of flattery."

293 brookly red  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:23:02pm

re: #290 Walter L. Newton

I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm serious about my answer. I have no problem with a 3 way dedicated domestic partner situation...

Cool, we could call it incorporating... could have some good tax benefits too.

294 prairiefire  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:23:07pm

We had a fatality accident close to where we live yesterday afternoon. The wind froze everything that had melted earlier, the dreaded black ice. Two lane highway separated by a narrow median, going east and west. East bound car went across the median to hit a west bound car, killing the 46 year old man driving. The 9 month old in his car seat survived.
We drove past it today and from the spray paint and flags, the east bound driver must of slipped as it was about a 90 degree angle turn.

295 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:23:46pm

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

And don't forget... episode 3 of season six, the final season of LOST... title of tonight's episode is "What Kate Does," which is in direct opposition to season one's episode "What Kate Did."

If you have been keeping up with the time travel theme and the apparent duel time lines happening right now, the title will make sense to you.

I'm pretty much over Time Travel stories Walter...
Ever since I found out my great-Grandmother was smoking hot in her 20's...I never wanted to go back..
*wink*

296 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:24:31pm

re: #290 Walter L. Newton

I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm serious about my answer. I have no problem with a 3 way dedicated domestic partner situation...

I'm just saying that my sarcastic answer is that it would complicate tax returns some since you couldn't use the same numbers as for a married couple, or even for a married couple and a single person.

If you want a more complex answer, I'd say it's because they're waiting to see gay marraige happen before they start to push the issue but that's just me taking a shot in the dark...

297 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:24:51pm

re: #288 windsagio

I hope Lost ends with a Möbius strip moment, where it pans to the cast watching people watching Lost on TV.

It won't. The producers have promised that this is going to have a conclusive ending, and they will not be using any of the "cheap" devices as so popular on certain TV shows.

Every season they have used a different way of presenting the narrative. This season, for about the first 6-7 episodes, you will be seeing "flash sideways," back and forth views of two different time lines. Not alternate time line, but dual time lines. The producers have said that alternate implies that one is no valid, and in this case, they both are valid.

The producers also warn that even the dual time line is not quite what you think it is and it will become apparent in a month or so.

What ever, sounds like a good ride to me.

298 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:26:12pm

Hey, HoosierHoops, I've got a bad one for the prayer list, please. One of my staff was called away to the hospital late today. Her teen daughter was admitted, an apparent suicide attempt, slashed wrists. I'm still awaiting further word. Thanks.

299 albusteve  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:26:46pm

re: #293 brookly red

Cool, we could call it incorporating... could have some good tax benefits too.

yup, you're getting closer, knock the shit out of the IRS somehow...produce children for the adoption business...advertise your exceptional genetics etc...$$$

300 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:27:06pm

re: #274 Walter L. Newton

Is this an ambush?

Damn, alright put the snowballs away, he figured it out...
/:)

301 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:27:12pm

re: #293 brookly red

The problem with most poly situations in anthropological terms is that it works as a function of wealth and power, so you wind up with old rich men with lots of wives (and perhaps, in this day and age, old rich women with lots of husbands) and a lot of angry young men who can't find wives (angry young women who can't find husbands).

I think from a pure rights perspective there's nothing wrong with people working out some polygamous/polyandrous legal framework, but the actual outcomes of widespread poly is already established.

302 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:28:33pm

re: #301 Obdicut

The problem with most poly situations in anthropological terms is that it works as a function of wealth and power, so you wind up with old rich men with lots of wives (and perhaps, in this day and age, old rich women with lots of husbands) and a lot of angry young men who can't find wives (angry young women who can't find husbands).

I think from a pure rights perspective there's nothing wrong with people working out some polygamous/polyandrous legal framework, but the actual outcomes of widespread poly is already established.

Never can please a lefty, can you?

303 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:29:37pm

re: #298 The Sanity Inspector

Hey, HoosierHoops, I've got a bad one for the prayer list, please. One of my staff was called away to the hospital late today. Her teen daughter was admitted, an apparent suicide attempt, slashed wrists. I'm still awaiting further word. Thanks.

I'm so sorry..I will keep her in my prayers..As we all will..

304 webevintage  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:30:31pm

re: #288 windsagio

I hope Lost ends with a Möbius strip moment, where it pans to the cast watching people watching Lost on TV.

All I want at the end of LOST is for Jack to be dead.
I. Hate. Him.
I'm not looking forward to Kate centered episode either....

(I love LOST with an unreasonable passion)

305 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:34:40pm

re: #304 webevintage

All I want at the end of LOST is for Jack to be dead.
I. Hate. Him.
I'm not looking forward to Kate centered episode either...

(I love LOST with an unreasonable passion)

I'm worried about Hurly... since he ran around the first two hours of this season (in the "on Island" time line) in a red tee shirt. I'm not crazy about the Kate character either...

306 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:36:03pm

re: #302 Walter L. Newton

Can you explain what that comment meant in reference to mine, please?

307 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:36:44pm

re: #306 Obdicut

Can you explain what that comment meant in reference to mine, please?

Nope... figure it out for yourself.

308 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:41:26pm

You only need to use polygamous, it covers both polyandrous and polygynous.

If polygamy is good enough for Wyoming Knott, it's good enough for me.

309 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:41:34pm

Polygamy or polyandry doesn't have to be illegal..it's its own punishment...

310 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:42:39pm

re: #309 PT Barnum

Polygamy or polyandry doesn't have to be illegal..it's its own punishment...

Especially if it ends with one guy getting two wives mad at him!

311 webevintage  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:42:53pm

re: #305 Walter L. Newton

I'm worried about Hurly... since he ran around the first two hours of this season (in the "on Island" time line) in a red tee shirt. I'm not crazy about the Kate character either...

GASP!
I had not noticed.
Red shirts do not bode well.

I really hope that airplane Sawyer does not take that Hurley for everything he has. That would make me sad, Hurley reminds me very much of my kid so there is a special place in my heart for the character.

312 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:44:12pm

re: #310 jamesfirecat

Especially if it ends with one guy getting two wives mad at him!

I have enough on my hands keeping one happy.

313 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:46:51pm

re: #311 webevintage

Red Shirts.
:)

314 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:46:57pm

re: #307 Walter L. Newton

In other words, you just took a jab at 'lefties'.

Can you stop doing that? It's pretty annoying, and I don't think it serves any actual useful purpose.

315 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:46:58pm

re: #312 PT Barnum

I have enough on my hands keeping one happy.

He'd have to pay twice the alimony as well!

316 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:47:07pm

re: #298 The Sanity Inspector

Hey, HoosierHoops, I've got a bad one for the prayer list, please. One of my staff was called away to the hospital late today. Her teen daughter was admitted, an apparent suicide attempt, slashed wrists. I'm still awaiting further word. Thanks.

Teen Suicide is the worst...
Having raised 5 children to adulthood and working at the Napa Mental Hospital during College...
I always whispered this to my Children ( Thank God I never did the Sex talk.. That was Mama)
Teen Suicide is the ultimate temper Tantrum for Teens...It's the Hormones..It is the ultimate snap time for a kid...When you get so Fucking pissed off you can't stand it..You remember.. Daddy told you it was coming...Let's talk.. Everything will be fine..Heck look at me...

317 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:48:09pm

re: #314 Obdicut

In other words, you just took a jab at 'lefties'.

Can you stop doing that? It's pretty annoying, and I don't think it serves any actual useful purpose.

But is in keeping with Walter's Mr. Crankypants persona.

318 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:48:23pm

re: #314 Obdicut

In other words, you just took a jab at 'lefties'.

Can you stop doing that? It's pretty annoying, and I don't think it serves any actual useful purpose.

Are you really Charles? Come on... tell me the truth... have you been fooling us all along? You're really Charles...

319 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:52:13pm

re: #318 Walter L. Newton

What are you talking about, dude?

You normally seem to be having a conversation that's completely divorced from whatever I'm saying back to you. How do you get to me being Charles?

320 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:53:16pm

re: #317 PT Barnum

But is in keeping with Walter's Mr. Crankypants persona.

Dude is a blast to talk on the phone with..
I laugh my ass off...
Good people
/Mr.Crankypants

321 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:54:26pm

re: #319 Obdicut

What are you talking about, dude?

You normally seem to be having a conversation that's completely divorced from whatever I'm saying back to you. How do you get to me being Charles?

Don't look now..Those are poke marks on your chest!
/Be well

322 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:56:48pm

re: #319 Obdicut

re: #319 Obdicut


You normally seem to be having a conversation that's completely divorced from whatever I'm saying back to you.

+ for that.

323 oldegeezr  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:57:14pm

re: #319 Obdicut

"Déjà Vu All Over Again"
Thanks Yogi...!

324 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 4:58:09pm

re: #323 oldegeezr

Nobody comes to LGF anymore, it's too crowded.

325 oldegeezr  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:02:29pm

re: #324 Obdicut

It’s truly been a great experience and better than a pleasure…
May the force be with YOU…!

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:08:05pm

re: #228 windsagio

oh I agree, I was just witness to a poly relationship dissolving messily (no, I wasn't involved :p). The additional difficulties are kinda beside the point tho' >

The point is that more people will be upset by polyamory, so people try to start small... And it doesn't work.

Perhaps, although there are a lot of people passionately for same-sex marriage who have never the heck heard of polyamory.

327 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:10:32pm

re: #244 EmmmieG

Most states have a state song with is usually long, and lyrically effusive about the beauties of the state.

Most people don't know them.

I love You California
Written by F. B. Silverwood
Composed by A. F. Frankenstein

I love you, California, you're the greatest state of all
I love you in the winter, summer, spring, and in the fall.
I love your fertile valleys; your dear mountains I adore,
I love your grand old ocean and I love her rugged shore.

chorus

I love your redwood forests - love your fields of yellow grain,
I love your summer breezes, and I love your winter rain,
I love you, land of flowers; land of honey, fruit and wine,
I love you, California; you have won this heart of mine.

chorus

I love your old gray Missions - love your vineyards streteching far,
I love you, California, with your Golden Gate ajar,
I love your purple sunsets, love your skies of azure blue,
I love you, California; I just can't help loving you.

chorus

I love you, Catalina - you are very dear to me,
I love you, Tamalpais, and I love Yosemite,
I love you, Land of Sunshine, half your beauties are untold,
I loved you in my childhood, and I'll love you when I'm old.

chorus

When the snow crowned Golden Sierras
Keep their watch o'er the valleys bloom.
It is there I would be in our land by the sea,
Ev'ry breeze bearing rich perfume,
It is here nature gives of her rarest,
It is Home Sweet Home to me.
And I know when I die I shall breathe my last sigh
For my sunny California.

328 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:11:44pm

re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist

Perhaps, although there are a lot of people passionately for same-sex marriage who have never the heck heard of polyamory.

I think that might be because for a Polyamory relationship to work in the long term it helps if you've got bisexuals involved and bisexuals only make up, like what... 1% of the population?

(Pulling that number out of thin air as 10% of the number of homosexuals)

329 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:14:44pm

re: #301 Obdicut

The problem with most poly situations in anthropological terms is that it works as a function of wealth and power, so you wind up with old rich men with lots of wives (and perhaps, in this day and age, old rich women with lots of husbands) and a lot of angry young men who can't find wives (angry young women who can't find husbands).

I think from a pure rights perspective there's nothing wrong with people working out some polygamous/polyandrous legal framework, but the actual outcomes of widespread poly is already established.

I think the odds of us taking it up on a big scale are vanishingly small.

330 torrentprime  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:15:38pm

re: #328 jamesfirecat

I think that might be because for a Polyamory relationship to work in the long term it helps if you've got bisexuals involved and bisexuals only make up, like what... 1% of the population?

(Pulling that number out of thin air as 10% of the number of homosexuals)

Yeah, it's hard to calculate. This gets into the numbers of bi-identified versus bi-orientated (bi-by-orientation?), which is worth a few hundred late night arguments all by itself.

331 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:18:09pm

re: #330 torrentprime

Yeah, it's hard to calculate. This gets into the numbers of bi-identified versus bi-orientated (bi-by-orientation?), which is worth a few hundred late night arguments all by itself.

And then someone brings up the Kinsey Scale....

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:18:19pm

re: #328 jamesfirecat

I think that might be because for a Polyamory relationship to work in the long term it helps if you've got bisexuals involved and bisexuals only make up, like what... 1% of the population?

(Pulling that number out of thin air as 10% of the number of homosexuals)

More than that, but it's hardly necessary for all parties to be involved sexually with all parties. The only family I know that's made what I would call a good, stable, life as a threesome is basically a man with two wives. They have a house with two flats. Wife 1 has the downstairs, Wife 2 has the upstairs. Everyone gathers for dinner in the evening, wherever, and watches TV and such, but the wives are not one another's lovers.

333 windsagio  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:20:14pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

The only poly relationships I've known to work over the longterm, everyone was "involved" with everyone else. The ones that broke down did so when someone became involved with someone else that wasn't into the others.

334 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:21:01pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

More than that, but it's hardly necessary for all parties to be involved sexually with all parties. The only family I know that's made what I would call a good, stable, life as a threesome is basically a man with two wives. They have a house with two flats. Wife 1 has the downstairs, Wife 2 has the upstairs. Everyone gathers for dinner in the evening, wherever, and watches TV and such, but the wives are not one another's lovers.

That sounds like a rather selfish way for the man to live if you don't mind me saying so. Like I said, I'm more comfortable mentally with the idea of bisexual Polyamory since in theory that would mean everyone involved loves everyone, but I suppose such a thing would be noticeably more likely to go up in smoke if someone says the wrong thing.

335 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:24:20pm

re: #334 jamesfirecat

That sounds like a rather selfish way for the man to live if you don't mind me saying so. Like I said, I'm more comfortable mentally with the idea of bisexual Polyamory since in theory that would mean everyone involved loves everyone, but I suppose such a thing would be noticeably more likely to go up in smoke if someone says the wrong thing.

I don't mind you saying so, but I might disagree. I dunno. He's not cheating, he takes care of his children, he works hard to make his wives happy. And they have a relationship, just not as lovers. They're good friends, they work together on projects and take care of family members together.

The husband once said to me "I am the man of the house. My word is law. When there's a question facing us as a family, my wives get together and decide what my word is. Then they tell me. Then it's law."

336 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:38:21pm

re: #335 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't mind you saying so, but I might disagree. I dunno. He's not cheating, he takes care of his children, he works hard to make his wives happy. And they have a relationship, just not as lovers. They're good friends, they work together on projects and take care of family members together.

The husband once said to me "I am the man of the house. My word is law. When there's a question facing us as a family, my wives get together and decide what my word is. Then they tell me. Then it's law."

The husband is the head of the family, but the wife is the neck, and the neck can make the head turn any way it wants!

337 Lidane  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:39:45pm

re: #333 windsagio

The only poly relationships I've known to work over the longterm, everyone was "involved" with everyone else. The ones that broke down did so when someone became involved with someone else that wasn't into the others.

Yeah, same here. The only two successful poly relationships that I know of work because everyone involved is on equal footing. They're all involved with each other, sexually and otherwise. They have open lines of communication, and they try not to let any problems fester, if possible. They've worked hard to make that dynamic work for them, and for their friends and family to accept the arrangement they have, because it's as much of an equal playing field as it can be.

I've seen other relationships fall apart when the couple tries to bring someone else into their relationship, especially if that third person isn't into both people. At that point, hurt feelings and jealousy will flare, leading to other unresolved issues taking over.

It's a very tricky thing. In general, we're all hardwired socially to be part of a couple, and anything outside of that is just that much more difficult for everyone involved. It takes real commitment to make a polyamory relationship work.

338 sergeant major  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 7:07:52pm

re: #62 Sergeant Major

Know doubt that history is full of individuals that could not conduct themselves appropraitely and still to be a good leader but it goes to character. I wouldn't vote for someone who openly admits that they are not faithful to their spouse. Do you think John Edwards (even if he had leadership potential) would even be considered to run for President again? Not that he was ever honest about his indiscretions

339 Kruk  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 7:13:08pm

re: #335 SanFranciscoZionist

The husband once said to me "I am the man of the house. My word is law. When there's a question facing us as a family, my wives get together and decide what my word is. Then they tell me. Then it's law."

Heh. I always have the final say in any arguement with my wife. It's just that I usually say "Yes, dear."

340 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 7:37:36pm

re: #339 Kruk

Heh. I always have the final say in any arguement with my wife. It's just that I usually say "Yes, dear."

I married Miss Right. Then I found out her first name is Always.

341 Kruk  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 7:45:09pm

re: #340 The Sanity Inspector

I married Miss Right. Then I found out her first name is Always.

Ha! I have to remember that one. My wife is a mathematician, and she always sees things in terms of right or wrong, black or white. I, on the other hand, am a health policy and economics wonk. There are very few absolutes in my world. It makes our arguments interesting, to say the least.

342 The Sanity Inspector  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 7:59:52pm

re: #341 Kruk

Ha! I have to remember that one. My wife is a mathematician, and she always sees things in terms of right or wrong, black or white. I, on the other hand, am a health policy and economics wonk. There are very few absolutes in my world. It makes our arguments interesting, to say the least.

Whereas I took the attitude that being a husband was like being mugged: the sooner I shut up and handed over my wallet, the easier things went.

343 Achilles Tang  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 8:13:49pm

So these "conservatives" (I often think I am) are now saying that their primary goal is to become MORE conservative.

What were they thinking up 'till now?


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