1 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:08:44pm

Connecticut is expected to get up to 14 inches of snow tomorrow … but the folks in DC will not be impressed …

2 austin_blue  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:08:49pm

Crows!

(for the Saints and NO)

3 simoom  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:10:02pm

Purple Motion - Starshine

4 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:12:09pm

re: #2 austin_blue

We have LOTs of crows here in LaLaLand. I called the city to ask if they had a “management strategy” and was told I “wasn the second complaint in 5 years, so no, they didn’t have a strategy”.
LOL!
92 birds counted at one time in the park, and you don’t have a strategy?
OK, they’re smart birds.
I’ll train them to go elsewhere.
It’s working so far.
And, they ARE smart birds!

5 austin_blue  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:16:15pm

re: #1 _RememberTonyC

Connecticut is expected to get up to 14 inches of snow tomorrow … but the folks in DC will not be impressed …

DC ha gotten more snow this season the they have in the past four years. For Texas, it’s God bless El Nino. we came out of a drought in August that was brutal. Our highland lakes are now filling up. These reservoirs feed downstream public water supplies, agriculture, and back bays that produce a tremendous amount of fish and shellfish stock that provides tasty protein to us.

I’m sorry that the the Baltimore/Washington corridor is getting hammered, but it has put our water issues back in the doable category.

6 austin_blue  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:19:25pm

re: #4 Floral Giraffe

We have LOTs of crows here in LaLaLand. I called the city to ask if they had a “management strategy” and was told I “wasn the second complaint in 5 years, so no, they didn’t have a strategy”.
LOL!
92 birds counted at one time in the park, and you don’t have a strategy?
OK, they’re smart birds.
I’ll train them to go elsewhere.
It’s working so far.
And, they ARE smart birds!

Corvids are almost as smart as parrots. They can be taught words and they have emotional attachments to their kin. Sentient? The jury is still out.

7 ryannon  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:20:33pm

re: #4 Floral Giraffe

We have LOTs of crows here in LaLaLand. I called the city to ask if they had a “management strategy” and was told I “wasn the second complaint in 5 years, so no, they didn’t have a strategy”.
LOL!
92 birds counted at one time in the park, and you don’t have a strategy?
OK, they’re smart birds.
I’ll train them to go elsewhere.
It’s working so far.
And, they ARE smart birds!

TedTalk on Crows

8 ryannon  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:22:15pm

re: #6 austin_blue

Corvids are almost as smart as parrots. They can be taught words and they have emotional attachments to their kin. Sentient? The jury is still out.

What do you mean by sentient?

Is a dog sentient? A cat? Why wouldn’t a crow be sentient?

9 ryannon  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:24:58pm
10 austin_blue  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:28:03pm

re: #8 ryannon

What do you mean by sentient?

Is a dog sentient? A cat? Why wouldn’t a crow be sentient?

I had a friend who had a cockatoo. He would hold up a slice of an apple and the bird would say “Apple. Yum Yum Yum.” The damn thing had a vocabulary of like 100 words. Eerie.

As for dogs and cats? Cats, not so much. But dogs? Have you really looked into the level of capacity for service dogs? Sentience is a squishy definition, but I believe that dogs are aware at some level, even if it doesn’t reach the level of human sentience (obviously).

11 austin_blue  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:31:05pm

And this was a drive-by visit.

Work, work, work, tomorrow.

Good night, my dear Lizards.

Sweet dreams to one and all.

12 ryannon  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:32:47pm

re: #10 austin_blue

I had a friend who had a cockatoo. He would hold up a slice of an apple and the bird would say “Apple. Yum Yum Yum.” The damn thing had a vocabulary of like 100 words. Eerie.

As for dogs and cats? Cats, not so much. But dogs? Have you really looked into the level of capacity for service dogs? Sentience is a squishy definition, but I believe that dogs are aware at some level, even if it doesn’t reach the level of human sentience (obviously).

I sincerely believe that even things like rocks and trees are endowed with some form of sentient consciousness. As for animals, I have no doubts at all.

13 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:34:23pm

re: #6 austin_blue

They fly off at the sight of me.
I don’t even need to pick up the tennis ball, much less, throw it at them.
They definitely can learn!
And, they fear me!
LOL!

14 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:40:36pm

Good night, dear lizards.
Stay scaly!
Hasta manana!

15 ryannon  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:47:49pm
18 ryannon  Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:54:28pm

re: #17 laZardo

You just have to wind them up, is all.

Humans, yeah.

As for animals, I just let them do their thing.

19 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 12:20:05am

Good early morning from someone who went to bed WAY to early last night.

20 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 12:23:35am

Be back.

21 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 12:47:41am

Just don’t start feeding those crows or they will start wanting voting rights and elect a commited socialist ideologue with an Arabic middle name.

And they will still not be able to spell (or count)

/

22 laZardo  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 1:24:16am

A minor swing to jilt this thread back to life.

23 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 1:40:04am

I don’t watch much TV, but man I love Fringe.

24 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 2:14:25am

It’s only gonna be 56 today. The gubner has ordered all sun plows deployed. Heh.
/sorry

25 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 2:21:45am

A group of 45 year old guys discuss where they should meet for dinner. Finally they agree to meet at the Kelley’s Restaurant because the waitresses have low cut blouses and nice breasts.

10 years later at age 55, the group agrees to meet at Kelley’s because the food is good and the wine selection is excellent.

10 years later at age 65, the group agrees to meet at Kelley’s because they can eat there in peace and quiet and the restaurant is smoke free.

10 years later at age 75, the group agrees to meet at Kelley’s because the restaurant is wheel chair accessible and they have an elevator.

10 years later at age 85, the group agrees to meet at Kelley’s because they have never been there before.

26 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:18:35am

Earthquake rattles northern Illinois

(CNN) — An early morning earthquake rattled northern Illinois on Wednesday, shaking an area about 50 miles west-northwest of downtown Chicago, the U.S. Geological Survey said.

The 4.3-magnitude quake hit just before 4 a.m. CT (5 a.m. ET), with an epicenter about 3 miles underground. The USGS pinpointed the quake between the towns of Virgil and Sycamore.

Several callers to CNN said the quake shook their homes severely, but there were no immediate reports of major damage.

Doug Dupont of Belvidre, Illinois, about 70 miles northwest of downtown Chicago, said the quake shook him out of bed and caused a 1-foot-long crack in the wall of his kitchen.

Any lizards there feel it?

27 ryannon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:26:34am

re: #26 Varek Raith

Earthquake rattles northern Illinois

Any lizards there feel it?

Hmm. God must be angry at northern Illinois now.

/

28 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:27:26am

re: #27 ryannon

Hmm. God must be angry at northern Illinois now.

/

I know of someone from there. Hmmm.
/

29 ryannon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:29:41am

re: #28 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know of someone from there. Hmmm.
/

Shh. Don’t let God hear you!

30 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:30:03am

Well, this just sucks…:(

Capt. Phil Harris of TV’s ‘Deadliest Catch’ dies after stroke

(CNN) — Capt. Phil Harris of the Discovery Channel show “The Deadliest Catch” died Tuesday of complications from a stroke suffered late last month. He was 53.

31 ryannon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:34:18am

And now a sublime bit of Smooth Jazz by Kenny G to piss everyone off (except God, who likes this stuff)

32 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:37:00am

re: #31 ryannon

And now a sublime bit of Smooth Jazz by Kenny G to piss everyone off (except God, who likes this stuff)

Brownnoser!
/:P

33 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:43:11am

Time to shovel snow….Wheee!
:)

34 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:43:14am

For the love of Pete, let it end!!
[Link: www.wnd.com…]

35 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:47:59am

re: #30 Varek Raith

Well, this just sucks…:(

Capt. Phil Harris of TV’s ‘Deadliest Catch’ dies after stroke

I’ve got a great story about CAPT Harris. While I was doing some work in Alaska, I missed my boat and settled down to an 8 hour wait on the pier. The Cornelia Marie happened to be tied up right behind me. Phil kindly asked me into his wheelhouse, gave me a couple cigarettes and fed me prime rib and Alaskan king crab for dinner. He trully did have a big heart and it’s sad to see him pass on. My thoughts and prayers will be with his family.

36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:54:16am

re: #34 Cannadian Club Akbar


The case brought on behalf of a career government employee outlines how during Clinton’s tenure in the U.S. Senate, the salary for the secretary of state was raised to $186,600, then to $191,300, and then again to $196,700.

Gosh. Don’t most postal employees make that much?

37 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:55:42am

re: #36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gosh. Don’t most postal employees make that much?

We’ll pay them that much if we know what’s good for us!!
/

38 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:03:03am

Good Morning LGF.

39 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:05:10am

Only 8 online?
One could call that a reptile dysfunction.

40 ryannon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:06:07am

re: #39 Spare O’Lake

Only 8 online?
One could call that a reptile dysfunction.

e-reptile dysfunction.

41 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:06:35am

re: #39 Spare O’Lake

Only 8 online?
One could call that a reptile dysfunction.

Earlier there were only 3. I did my best to hold down the fort.:(

42 ryannon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:07:28am

And I pissed everyone off with a Kenny G music video :-)

43 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:08:51am

re: #40 ryannon

e-reptile dysfunction.

If this lasts for 4 hours I’m gonna have to call the vet.

44 RogueOne  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:10:05am

Mornin all

45 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:10:54am

Off to get smokes, brb.

46 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:11:26am

You’ve got to like President Obama’s articulateness, his command of information, his obviously swift intelligence, but here is what you don’t have to like about him: his fierce unbending ideology, his endless and increasingly absurd posturing as a saint while insisting opponents are scoundrels and what could turn out to be political klutziness.

He’s not an ideologue, he told congressional Republicans when he boldly faced them at a televised caucus meeting, but he is, at least if you define an ideologue not as a stop-at-nothing fanatic, but instead as someone obedient to one or two controlling ideas and values that then tend to inform virtually every aspect of the person’s political thinking.

It seems to me that Obama has a controlling idea — the efficacy and responsibility of big government in taking care of people — and that his foremost political value is equality, not just equality under the law or even equality of opportunity, but equality of outcome. He may have other political values, such as the one I most revere, liberty, but they are so far behind that, in virtually any contest, equality wins.

SNIP

47 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:14:19am

Morning, Lizards and Lizardom.
Did not feel the N Illinois quake here in central IL, but any shaking goin’ on around here should remind all of the New Madrid Fault. There was a shaker a hundred years ago or so that changed the direction of the flow of the Mississippi River and rang church bells in New England.

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:17:36am

re: #46 MandyManners

“His fierce unbending ideology!”

LOL

49 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:18:33am
Pakistani officials: Taliban chief is dead
Pakistani Taliban chief Hakimullah Mehsud has died, the country’s top civilian security official told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

It was the government’s first categorical confirmation of the death of the feared terrorist, whose passing is likely to weaken, but not vanquish, the al-Qaida-linked insurgent network he led.

Reports of Mehsud’s death emerged after a spate of US missiles hit his stronghold in Pakistan’s northwestern tribal belt in mid-January.

Mehsud was said to have died of wounds suffered in one of the strikes in the Waziristan region — another big victory for the CIA-led missile campaign that killed Mehsud’s predecessor just six months ago.

In a response to an AP query, Pakistani Interior Minister Rehman Malik, wrote, “Yes, he is dead,” while a senior intelligence official concurred.
[Link: www.jpost.com…]

I’m overcome with grief.

50 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:20:25am

re: #49 Spare O’Lake

So; so sad.

I’d like to buy that drone a drink!

51 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:20:55am

re: #47 Taqyia2Me

STOP THE YELLOWSTONE CALDERA!

52 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:20:55am

Good gravy! BHO is launching a press campaign to try to convince the nation that he’s tough on terrorism while his pit bull, Brennan, is telling us that political criticism is aiding al Qaida.

Does anyone else see the disconnect there?

53 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:22:26am

re: #52 MandyManners

Good gravy! BHO is launching a press campaign to try to convince the nation that he’s tough on terrorism while his pit bull, Brennan, is telling us that political criticism is aiding al Qaida.

Does anyone else see the disconnect there?

Well, W went after the terrorist and Dems said that helped Al Queda, remember?

54 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:25:02am

British police were on Wednesday investigating a verbal attack on Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon, after an Oxford University student shouted “kill the Jews” during a talk he gave at the university on Monday night.

During the event, hosted by the university’s Student Union, a Muslim student, who had been heckling the deputy foreign minister, got up and shouted in Arabic “Itbah Al-Yahud” - “kill the Jews” - as he was leaving the lecture hall.

SNIP

At a demonstration outside the lecture hall, organized by the university’s Palestine Society, protesters chanted “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.”

SNIP

55 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:26:31am

re: #53 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, W went after the terrorist and Dems said that helped Al Queda, remember?

They’re going after “murderous miscreants” yet they can’t handle criticism from within their own nation.

56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:28:10am

re: #54 MandyManners

The student was probably just mildly irritated at Jews at that particular moment.

“Kill the Jews” is really, just a silly Muslim exclamation. Kind of like “Gosh, it’s hot.”

We learned that yesterday.

Or was that “Death to the Jews” is not a big deal, but “Kill the Jews” is a big deal?

Or was it the other way around?

57 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:29:10am

re: #47 Taqyia2Me

Morning, Lizards and Lizardom.
Did not feel the N Illinois quake here in central IL, but any shaking goin’ on around here should remind all of the New Madrid Fault. There was a shaker a hundred years ago or so that changed the direction of the flow of the Mississippi River and rang church bells in New England.

The churches in New England were that happy about the quake?

58 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:30:07am

re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The student was probably just mildly irritated at Jews at that particular moment.

“Kill the Jews” is really, just a silly Muslim exclamation. Kind of like “Gosh, it’s hot.”

We learned that yesterday.

Or was that “Death to the Jews” is not a big deal, but “Kill the Jews” is a big deal?

Or was it the other way around?

And we all know that “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is just the anguished cry of frustrated real estate agents.

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:33:47am

re: #57 Walter L. Newton

The churches in New England were that happy about the quake?

And I will shake…

Handel’s Messiah…

60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:36:39am

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


Thus saith the Lord of Hosts; Yet once, a little while and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land; And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come

That’s what opera boy said anyway…

61 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:36:45am

A co-author of the Goldstone Gaza report, which accuses both Hamas and Israel of war crimes, claims the Gaza militant group fired only two rockets at Israel prior to last year’s winter conflict, according to a new report published by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs.

SNIP

The report refers to recent remarks made by Desmond Travers, a retired Irish army colonel, who was one of four members of the fact-finding mission to Gaza and Israel.

Travers rejects the idea that Israel launched the offensive in Gaza on December 27, 2008, as an act of self-defense in response to Hamas rockets.

The Jerusalem center report says he bases this idea on a “fact” that he presents that in the month prior to start of the war, only “something like two” rockets that fell on Israel.

The report quotes an extensive interview with Travers in the Middle East Monitor, in which he also says that Hamas had sought “a continuation of the cease-fire” prior to Israel’s offensive in Gaza.

Travers also rejects Israel Defense Forces photographs as proof that Hamas hid weapons in mosques during the conflict.

SNIP

62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:38:52am

re: #61 MandyManners

Only fire two rockets? No problem!

63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:39:51am

Well, I just checked the calendar. Probably shouldn’t be surprised about what I am seeing out my window… but there appears to be quite a bit of it.

64 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:42:43am

re: #63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I just checked the calendar. Probably shouldn’t be surprised about what I am seeing out my window… but there appears to be quite a bit of it.

Fireworks?
/

65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:43:34am

re: #64 Cannadian Club Akbar

Close…

66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:44:15am

re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

TRIED TO BRING SOME CLASS INTO HERE!

67 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:44:57am

re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

TRIED TO BRING SOME CLASS INTO HERE!

Have you met us?

68 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:47:36am

re: #63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I just checked the calendar. Probably shouldn’t be surprised about what I am seeing out my window… but there appears to be quite a bit of it.

Must be the season of the witch…

69 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:48:37am

re: #62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Only fire two rockets? No problem!

Don’t forget that the man who headed the “investigation”, Goldstone, was with Human Rights Watch which also had Joe Stork. For more on Stork, see:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

70 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:49:26am

re: #69 MandyManners

I thought I remembered that. Thanks.

71 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:53:05am

My radio just said the guy who has the John Edwards sex tape has until 2PM to hand it over to the judge or go to jail. GAK!!!

72 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:55:14am

re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just said the guy who has the John Edwards sex tape has until 2PM to hand it over to the judge or go to jail. GAK!!!

Young put it into a safe-deposit box in Atlanta.

73 Mike DeGuzman  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:58:37am

re: #1 _RememberTonyC

Connecticut is expected to get up to 14 inches of snow tomorrow … but the folks in DC will not be impressed …

We’re not impressed. It’s really bad here. Last week 37 inches of snow in my area in Northern Virginia. Woke up this morning and it’s still snowing from yesterday. Stuck at home. Federal Government is closed for a third day. Everything here is closed. Way too much snow. Global warming where are you when I need you!

74 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:00:23am

re: #73 Mike DeGuzman

Silver Lining: Federal Government is closed down.

75 Mike DeGuzman  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:02:51am

re: #33 Varek Raith

I should have listen to my wife and bought me a snow blower. I hate shoveling snow!

76 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:03:25am

re: #75 Mike DeGuzman

I should have listen to my wife and bought me a snow blower. I hate shoveling snow!

Great cardio workout!

77 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:04:25am

re: #76 MandyManners

Great cardio workout!

Screw that. I shoveled snow once for 5 minutes. Thought I was a goner.

78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:05:19am

re: #75 Mike DeGuzman

I had a mentor who died from Cardiac arrest after shoveling snow on Valentines day, many years ago.

Be careful out there.

79 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:09:08am

re: #77 Cannadian Club Akbar

Screw that. I shoveled snow once for 5 minutes. Thought I was a goner.

Shovel any sand lately?

80 Mike DeGuzman  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:09:51am

re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar

Silver Lining: Federal Government is closed down.

At least our elected officials don’t have to shovel snow. ;D

81 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:10:22am

re: #80 Mike DeGuzman

At least our elected officials don’t have to shovel snow. ;D

They shovel shit.

82 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:10:50am

re: #81 MandyManners

Did I just say that?

83 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:10:52am

re: #79 MandyManners

Shovel any sand lately?

I can use a shovel for 6 hours in 95 degree heat and I’m fine.

84 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:11:22am

re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can use a shovel for 6 hours in 95 degree heat and I’m fine.

What humidity?

85 RogueOne  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:12:10am

Someone fill me in on Cato, is he taking another trip?

86 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:12:18am

The poor, benighted child of the Meanest Mom in the World has been fever-free for 24 hours so he’s going back to school.

87 Mike DeGuzman  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:12:41am

re: #82 MandyManners

Did I just say that?

I’ve plead the 5th!

88 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:12:42am

re: #84 MandyManners

What humidity?

90%. 103 heat index. I actually love the heat. I eat 6 times a day and still lose 10 pounds.

89 Why I Never!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:13:37am

It’s snowing! Wheee!

90 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:14:33am

re: #86 MandyManners

The poor, benighted child of the Meanest Mom in the World has been fever-free for 24 hours so he’s going back to school.

Gee, that’s a head scratcher.
/

91 Mike DeGuzman  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:15:52am

re: #78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had a mentor who died from Cardiac arrest after shoveling snow on Valentines day, many years ago.

Be careful out there.

My college kid told me that same very topic last night.

92 RogueOne  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:22:48am

Ice,

Did you happen to see this?
[Link: hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com…]


Arpaio Blasts McCain’s “Liberal” Policies


Maricopa Co. Sheriff Joe Arpaio is urging GOPers to shelve Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) in favor of ex-Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R), a challenger attacking from the right, in a new letter sent to primary voters.

I would have hoped that an endorsement from Arpaio would kill the Hayworth campaign, but I’m betting not.

93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:23:25am

re: #91 Mike DeGuzman

My college kid told me that same very topic last night.

He knew Mel?

94 Why I Never!  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:25:34am

re: #92 RogueOne

Ice,

Did you happen to see this?
[Link: hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com…]

Arpaio Blasts McCain’s “Liberal” Policies

I would have hoped that an endorsement from Arpaio would kill the Hayworth campaign, but I’m betting not.

Hey Rogue!
I was just going to ask you if you’d seen it! (i saw the TPM piece which referenced this, not the hotline piece itself).
What’s happening with McCain is really sad. He’s tacking more and more right, even when that means renouncing his old positions, and even so he’s not going to make any friends doing it.

Arpaio is an unbelievable dirtbag.

95 prairiefire  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:27:56am

Captain Phil from “Deadliest Catch” has died.[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
RIP to a tough, hard working man.
Morning, Lizards.

96 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:29:52am

re: #95 prairiefire

Go back and read #35. Great story.

97 RogueOne  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:30:18am

re: #94 iceweasel

I saw it on TPM yesterday but I couldn’t remember where so I just did a quick google search to find it. Short-term memory issues I guess.//

I’ve never been a big fan of McCain, I think he has issues with the first amendment. I know illegal immigration is a big issue in AZ but it’s not the ONLY issue. I’d be much more worried about the threats to the legal system under Arpaio more than immigration. I don’t think Hayworth has a shot but with the “down with the incumbents” attitude sweeping the country I could be very wrong.

98 RogueOne  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:30:34am

I have to run folks. Enjoy your day!

99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:30:38am

re: #95 prairiefire

Watched that show a few times… the job look really hard… I’ll betcha it’s a thousand times harder than it looks though.

100 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:31:47am

re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Watched that show a few times… the job look really hard… I’ll betcha it’s a thousand times harder than it looks though.

Super dangerous. That’s why it was great pay.

101 prairiefire  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:32:00am

re: #35 Jetpilot1101

What a great guy.

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:34:23am

re: #100 Cannadian Club Akbar

Super dangerous. That’s why it was great pay when there was a good catch.

I have deep admiration for folks who are willing to gamble that their knowledge/skill can bring them fortune without a salary.

103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:37:20am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks for the fix.

104 rwdflynavy  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:38:45am

Good Morning Lizards.

I don’t agree with a lot of what Sherriff Joe does, but think some of his ideas are good with respect to not coddling inmates. Prison should be a very uncomfortable place to be and should be as self-sufficient as possible.

105 prairiefire  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:40:24am

Snowball the dancing Cockatoo:

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:53:32am

re: #104 rwdflynavy

Love the new avatar… I have a friend who does that every time he gets one of those nametags.

107 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:55:09am

Good morning! J

ust finished catching up on the thread. Sorry to hear about Capt. Phil. I hope his sons can rise to the occasion to carry on the family business. May they have peace and comfort in their time of grief.

Weather wise, it’s flurrying here in SE TN.

Seismically, we have had a few tremblers here lately - this past Friday we had one that made it up to 3. Seems to be more of that going on around the world and little ones making the news in places not usually associated with earthquakes - it’s like the planet is gearing up for some massive upheaval.

108 rwdflynavy  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:55:37am

re: #106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Love the new avatar… I have a friend who does that every time he gets one of those nametags.

Thank you Sir! Got enough snow yet? My MIL is very tired of it as she lives up a mountain in SW county.

109 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:56:24am

re: #107 SasyMomaCat

We’ve had our fill of snow, apparently, but today dawned cold and clear at -1 degree F. Brr. Wouldn’t have been so bad, but I also managed to sleep through my alarm and barely made it to work in any sort of reasonable time.

110 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:56:26am

re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just said the guy who has the John Edwards sex tape has until 2PM to hand it over to the judge or go to jail. GAK!!!

Morning. I haven’t followed this closely, but I don’t understand the issue. Edwards is now an admitted sleaze, but I would have thought he and the woman still had a right to privacy in such matters.

Why does anyone need to see how he acts in bed?

111 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:58:28am

re: #109 thedopefishlives

did you manage to get there fully clothed and with matching socks? I hate it when that happens, but in never ceases to amaze me how quickly I can run through my morning routine with few omissions (usually the make-up is a casualty of the rush).

Sounds rather chilly! Stay warm!

112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:59:11am

re: #110 Naso Tang

Here’s what the audio said,

“Yeah, just like that. Wait! Ow! Ouch! Ow! HEY! WATCH THE HAIR!”

(her part of the audio is inaudible)

113 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:59:30am

re: #110 Naso Tang

I think that’s kind of the point. The court wants to be sure that, at least until the case is over, this kind of thing doesn’t get leaked.

114 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:00:00am

re: #111 SasyMomaCat

did you manage to get there fully clothed and with matching socks? I hate it when that happens, but in never ceases to amaze me how quickly I can run through my morning routine with few omissions (usually the make-up is a casualty of the rush).

Sounds rather chilly! Stay warm!

I even managed to pack my lunch and grab a half-decent breakfast on my way out the door.

115 badger1  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:00:13am

re: #46 MandyManners

Interesting, and very close to the mark.

116 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:00:59am

re: #114 thedopefishlives

My hat’s off to you, Mr. Fish - squeezing in two meals on top of getting ready is quite a feat when you sleep through the alarm!

117 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:02:03am

re: #116 SasyMomaCat

My hat’s off to you, Mr. Fish - squeezing in two meals on top of getting ready is quite a feat when you sleep through the alarm!

Well, my morning routine mostly consists of getting dressed and going out to get the truck started and warmed. I have the odd habit of showering and shaving in the late evenings, rather than doing it first thing in the morning. Weird, I know, but it works.

118 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:04:00am

re: #117 thedopefishlives

Not weird at all. If it weren’t for fine, uncooperative hair, I would do likewise. It would save a good bit of time in the a.m. Unfortunately, my hair ends up looking like a rat’s nest, regardless of the technique, unless I was it in the morning. So, with that, I might as well shower - easier than bending over the tub and makes less mess.

119 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:04:57am

re: #118 SasyMomaCat

Sounds like the Mrs. Fish, who has thick curly tresses that require about half a can of hairspray to coerce into shape. Per day.

120 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:06:03am

re: #113 SasyMomaCat

I think that’s kind of the point. The court wants to be sure that, at least until the case is over, this kind of thing doesn’t get leaked.

The judge has said nobody will look at it and it’s for safekeeping?

I don’t know who first said they had it, but I thought I read the woman doesn’t want it released and I’m sure Edward doesn’t. What is the synopsis, and who made the video anyway?

121 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:06:26am

re: #119 thedopefishlives

LOL - I can only wish to have hair like that! Mine is plentiful, but super-fine. And straight as a string. Mine probably doesn’t take near as long to style, but doesn’t look as pretty, either.

122 Jadespring  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:07:03am

re: #117 thedopefishlives

Well, my morning routine mostly consists of getting dressed and going out to get the truck started and warmed. I have the odd habit of showering and shaving in the late evenings, rather than doing it first thing in the morning. Weird, I know, but it works.

When I worked outside home that’s what I did. I hated showering in the morning. I think it’s because I have really long hair that takes forever to dry so it was easier to take care of all the the night before and get an extra 45 mins sleep in the am.

123 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:07:56am

re: #27 ryannon

Hmm. God must be angry at northern Illinois now.

/

Illinois made a pact with the ACORN.

124 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:07:57am

re: #120 Naso Tang

I haven’t followed it closely enough to know who made it, but it was a really stupid thing to do. Also a really stupid thing to keep after the fact. I’m guessing Ms. Hunter did it for leverage if needed, but I could be wrong. I do know that the judge did express that as the reason for getting the tape.

125 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:08:03am

good morning, jokers. anyone here not either freezing cold, or soaking wet?

126 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:08:04am

re: #120 Naso Tang

The woman was his videographer.( I know I spelled that wrong)

127 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:08:46am

re: #125 cliffster

good morning, jokers. anyone here not either freezing cold, or soaking wet?

Me. Sorry.

128 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:09:17am

re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar

She wanted to be sure she fully captured the events during the campaign/

129 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:09:27am

re: #125 cliffster

good morning, jokers. anyone here not either freezing cold, or soaking wet?

I’m cold.
And the possibility of sneaux is predicted for Baton Rouge for Friday!

So I’m gonna get colder.

And not happy about it. We already had our week of cold - we’re all ready now for spring and summer.

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:10:29am

re: #128 SasyMomaCat

She wanted to be sure she fully captured the events during the campaign/

If you are married and film yourself with another woman, you get what you deserve.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:10:40am

re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dang it! That was funny! I expect to see some dings when I get back!

heh

BBL

132 Jadespring  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:10:51am

I wonder if this has ever happened to anybody. In my dream last night I was doing all these exercises, stretches, squats, sit ups etc. When I woke up I actually physically felt like I exercised and my muscles are sore. It’s really, really weird.

133 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:12:12am

re: #85 RogueOne

Someone fill me in on Cato, is he taking another trip?

Does someone who knows Cato’s situation want to suggest a practical fix? LGF would be diminished without him.

134 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:12:57am

re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’ve never understood why people in “transient” situations (i.e., not long-term commitments) would be willing to make that kind of video. It almost certainly could later be a source of embarrassment or worse. Heck, as a general rule of thumb, if you don’t want it to end up on the internet, don’t record it, period.

135 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:12:59am

re: #125 cliffster

good morning, jokers. anyone here not either freezing cold, or soaking wet?

The forecast here was for upper 20’s this morning, and when I looked it was 10 and snowing with a wind chill of 0 or less.

I was planning to cut some dead trees with the chainsaw. Instead here I am.

136 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:14:07am

re: #125 cliffster

good morning, jokers. anyone here not either freezing cold, or soaking wet?

Well below freezing in Lower Alabama. Too cold for roofing materials, despite bright sun.

137 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:15:08am

re: #129 reine.de.tout

Hi, I presume you figured out how to protect your plumbing (no joke intended) in this lovely winter.

138 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:15:14am

re: #129 reine.de.tout

I’m cold.
And the possibility of sneaux is predicted for Baton Rouge for Friday!

So I’m gonna get colder.

And not happy about it. We already had our week of cold - we’re all ready now for spring and summer.

I didn’t know it ever snowed there. Ever.

139 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:16:07am

re: #138 cliffster

Well, the Saints did win the Super Bowl - stranger things have happened! ;)

140 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:17:44am

re: #137 Naso Tang

Hi, I presume you figured out how to protect your plumbing (no joke intended) in this lovely winter.

Oh, yes.
It’s all wrapped up.
But when it gets really cold- the only fix is to leave the water trickling all night from each tap, so that it can’t freeze in the pipes. Only way to do it.

re: #138 cliffster

I didn’t know it ever snowed there. Ever.

Once every 10-12 years usually.
An inch or two or three.

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:18:13am

Guys, I know I joke with ya’ll since I live in Florida, but I really feel for ya.

142 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:18:14am

re: #117 thedopefishlives

Well, my morning routine mostly consists of getting dressed and going out to get the truck started and warmed. I have the odd habit of showering and shaving in the late evenings, rather than doing it first thing in the morning. Weird, I know, but it works.

Nope, i’m exactly the same way. Getting up in the morning is much less daunting for me when half of the routine is already in the bag.

143 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:18:19am

re: #134 SasyMomaCat

Heck, as a general rule of thumb, if you don’t want it to end up on the internet, don’t record it, period.

This. In general, it’s never a terribly good idea to record anything you wouldn’t want another person to see. In particular, once it leaves your hands, it’s completely out of your control and there is not one thing you can do about it to get it back. How do you think the succession of Disney girl “nude photos revealed” scandals occurred?

144 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:19:18am

re: #141 Cannadian Club Akbar

Guys, I know I joke with ya’ll since I live in Florida, but I really feel for ya.

And I live in Florida after having spent the vast majority of my life in Cleveland, then Chicago…so I will continue to laugh evilly!

145 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:20:05am

Greets and saluts from the snowpalooza of the NYC metro area. We’ve already got 6 inches of fresh snow. And this is just the start. This is the wet heavy variety of snow, so the flakes are coming down fast and furious all while trees and bushes are sagging under the weight.

So far, most of the weather reports are in agreement - 10+ inches in NYC proper. More in Northern-Central NJ. Yet, WPIX is predicting much less 6-12 in NYC with 6-18 in NJ. Everyone else, including the NWS is predicting a whole lot more - and blizzard warnings are in effect.

Geaux sneaux! /

146 srb1976  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:21:14am

Morning folks….North alabama is getting what people around here refer to as snow (less that 1/2”)….all very funny for those of us who grew up elsewhere

147 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:22:07am

re: #146 srb1976

Heh. That would barely rate a dusting in these parts (NJ) - and still be sufficient to close DC.

148 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:22:12am

re: #140 reine.de.tout

Once every 10-12 years usually.
An inch or two or three.

Sounds about like Austin. Make that every 5 years or so, and that’s us. For anything that sticks, anyways. It might snow a tiny little dusting, that never even thinks about sticking on the ground, more often.

It’s freezing right now though. Good cold winter this year. Kill off all the fleas.

149 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:22:36am

~Hey, I’ve passed the 500 comment mark! I guess I’m no longer an “infrequent poster.” I suppose I should update my profile~

150 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:22:50am

re: #148 cliffster

Sounds about like Austin. Make that every 5 years or so, and that’s us. For anything that sticks, anyways. It might snow a tiny little dusting, that never even thinks about sticking on the ground, more often.

It’s freezing right now though. Good cold winter this year. Kill off all the fleas.

Well, yes - that is an upside!

151 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:23:13am

re: #145 lawhawk

accumulation predictions are one of the toughest (and least accurate) in meteorology, IIRC.

are the subways running? i’d think that an underground train would suit this weather perfectly, except i’d also think that 2 million other people might be having the same idea right about now…

152 srb1976  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:23:32am

re: #147 lawhawk

Heh. That would barely rate a dusting in these parts (NJ) - and still be sufficient to close DC.

Around here, rural schools close as soon as the snow is predicted…..city schools close as soon as any of it accumulates…and the Little Man is sorely disappointed, as there is never enough to build a snowman (with button and a small carrot)

153 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:23:40am

re: #148 cliffster

If it gets cold enough for long enough, it helps with mosquitos, too!

154 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:23:42am

Morning all. SQL Server 2005 is pissing me off but at least there isn’t any snow here in Sacramento. Then again I could seriously use a snow day.

155 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:24:40am

re: #154 Locker

‘morning!

156 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:25:10am

re: #149 SasyMomaCat

~Hey, I’ve passed the 500 comment mark! I guess I’m no longer an “infrequent poster.” I suppose I should update my profile~

it’s all relative! another perspective is that you don’t require as many comments as others to get your point across - how’s that for spin?

(dinged your 500th as congrats)

157 Jadespring  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:25:21am

It seems like all the snow is staying more south this year. Usually we have at least several feet accumulated by now but not this year. It hasn’t been as cold as usual either.

158 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:26:18am

re: #149 SasyMomaCat

~Hey, I’ve passed the 500 comment mark! I guess I’m no longer an “infrequent poster.” I suppose I should update my profile~

I passed 3000 comments yesterday, most of which were added in the last, oh, 6 months or so. Amazing how engaged I’ve gotten in the place recently.

159 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:26:26am

re: #156 Aceofwhat?

Thanks for the congratulatory ding! And, yes, that is one of the up-sides. Too bad I don’t usually say enough of substance to build a fuller picture of my thought process! LOL

160 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:28:45am

re: #158 thedopefishlives

Most of mine have been in recent months, too. I’ve been around since some time in ‘02 or ‘03, but mostly as a lurker/reader. It’s been nice to engage - so far, I’ve not been rapped on the knuckles by big brother here at work, so maybe I can keep multi-tasking. I’m usually watching threads and commenting while doing about three or more other tasks.

161 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:29:11am

re: #155 SasyMomaCat

‘morning!

If my cat’s eyes were that color it would freak me out. Good looking cat though.

162 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:29:41am

re: #151 Aceofwhat?

Subways are running - but they’ve reduced the express trains. NYC subways actually have quite a bit of above ground track - and if the snow gets above 10-13 inches, it will block the third rail shutting service. With the amounts they’re predicting, that’s going to happen later today. The commuter rail lines are canceling trains and consolidating service, but they will probably cancel even more trains as the conditions go downhill.

With the NYC public schools closed today, there’s a whole lot fewer people on the road - since that’s a pretty good gauge of just how serious the snow is; it’s only like the 3d time in 10 years that they’ve closed the schools for snow. A blizzard warning will do that (in effect until early tomorrow AM). This is a classic Nor’easter.

163 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:29:53am

re: #160 SasyMomaCat

Most of my job is spent waiting, so while I’m waiting on … whatever, I post. My desktop has about 10 different windows across 2 screens, and almost all of them are busy at any given time.

164 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:30:12am

re: #161 Locker

thanks - it’s nearly my natural eye color (if you tone it down a touch) - as for the cat, it’s a random pic from somewhere on the internet. I thought it matched the user name nicely.

165 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:31:07am

re: #163 thedopefishlives

Now that is really multi-tasking! What do you do when half of them finish at the same time?

166 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:31:09am

Dear East Coast,

I’m flying out there Friday. Get your shit together with the snow already. It’s just fluffy frozen water.

Thanks,
Darth.

(Mornin’ everyone)

167 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:31:39am

re: #162 lawhawk

Subways are running - but they’ve reduced the express trains. NYC subways actually have quite a bit of above ground track - and if the snow gets above 10-13 inches, it will block the third rail shutting service. With the amounts they’re predicting, that’s going to happen later today. The commuter rail lines are canceling trains and consolidating service, but they will probably cancel even more trains as the conditions go downhill.

With the NYC public schools closed today, there’s a whole lot fewer people on the road - since that’s a pretty good gauge of just how serious the snow is; it’s only like the 3d time in 10 years that they’ve closed the schools for snow. A blizzard warning will do that (in effect until early tomorrow AM). This is a classic Nor’easter.

My sister is up in Nyack and she’s all sacked in with food and movies for the kids. Honestly I don’t think she minds this at all.

168 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:31:50am

re: #166 darthstar

‘morning!

169 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:31:53am

re: #162 lawhawk

i heard that stat about school closings on NPR this morning. closing them is the right thing to do - he’s thinking about how hard it will be to get the kids home, not just getting the kids to work.

i didn’t realize that much of the rail system was aboveground.

170 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:32:17am

re: #165 SasyMomaCat

Now that is really multi-tasking! What do you do when half of them finish at the same time?

Roll a die and pick one to work on at random.

171 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:32:28am

re: #166 darthstar

Memo to darthstar:
If you’re flying into NYC and points north, you’ll be good to go.

Philly and south? You’re on your own.

/and no, I’m not kidding.

172 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:32:34am

re: #163 thedopefishlives

Most of my job is spent waiting, so while I’m waiting on … whatever, I post. My desktop has about 10 different windows across 2 screens, and almost all of them are busy at any given time.

Me too…vmware is your friend. When people ask me what I do for a living, I tell them I’m a typist. I sit. I type. I get paid.

173 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:32:58am

re: #164 SasyMomaCat

thanks - it’s nearly my natural eye color (if you tone it down a touch) - as for the cat, it’s a random pic from somewhere on the internet. I thought it matched the user name nicely.

I bet you always had to play the gypsy woman in the school plays. My eyes are extremely blue but those are basically supernatural. Hard to resist for the bad boys :-)

174 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:33:04am

re: #170 thedopefishlives

makes sense - gotta have some kind of system, eh?

175 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:33:06am

re: #166 darthstar

Dear East Coast,

I’m flying out there Friday. Get your shit together with the snow already. It’s just fluffy frozen water.

Thanks,
Darth.

(Mornin’ everyone)

Ha! I was wondering where you’d be, and how unimpressed you’d be with the whole deal. Morning-

176 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:33:45am

re: #172 darthstar

Me too…vmware is your friend. When people ask me what I do for a living, I tell them I’m a typist. I sit. I type. I get paid.

I tell people I break things for a living. They get real interested at that point, but too bad it’s just a hook. The only thing I break is computer programs.

177 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:34:30am

re: #148 cliffster

Sounds about like Austin. Make that every 5 years or so, and that’s us. For anything that sticks, anyways. It might snow a tiny little dusting, that never even thinks about sticking on the ground, more often.

It’s freezing right now though. Good cold winter this year. Kill off all the fleas.

In the South, it can make or break the pear and apple tree yields. Without enough cold hours, we get nothing.

178 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:34:39am

re: #173 Locker

LOL - no, I missed most school plays because practice was almost invariably on a “church night.” And Dad would have had a hissy fit if I had played any part that dealt with “dark magic.” We were funny like that.

179 srb1976  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:34:51am

Ok, kids up and getting ready to go, I plan on earning my bad mother merit badge by taking them to daycare even though I have the day off (heh) In the hopes of getting the mountain of laundry whittled down = )

180 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:35:12am

re: #173 Locker

I bet you always had to play the gypsy woman in the school plays. My eyes are extremely blue but those are basically supernatural. Hard to resist for the bad boys :-)

Unnaturally bright blue eyes are hypnotic and magnetic, yes. Once dated a girl whose natural color was closer to purple than i’ve ever seen. She was a full-on crazy person, and i stuck around waaay longer than i should have because of the eye-color hypnosis thing.

181 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:35:18am

re: #176 thedopefishlives

I tell people I break things for a living. They get real interested at that point, but too bad it’s just a hook. The only thing I break is computer programs.

I knew it! You broke my forking SQL Server! I’m NOT paying a ransom in pot brownies this time you are just going to have to settle for bagels and lox.

182 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:35:25am

re: #171 lawhawk

Memo to darthstar:
If you’re flying into NYC and points north, you’ll be good to go.

Philly and south? You’re on your own.

/and no, I’m not kidding.

NYC. Flying out for my mother in law’s surprise 70th birthday party. A night at the hyatt, nice dinner, Saturday matinee on Broadway (Hair!), then off to mom’s party and a couple of days of visiting before flying home Tuesday.

183 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:35:44am

re: #173 Locker

Although, I did attract a couple of bad boys in my time. ;)

184 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:35:52am

re: #181 Locker

I knew it! You broke my forking SQL Server! I’m NOT paying a ransom in pot brownies this time you are just going to have to settle for bagels and lox.

Mmmmmm, bagels.

185 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:36:13am

re: #182 darthstar

NYC. Flying out for my mother in law’s surprise 70th birthday party. A night at the hyatt, nice dinner, Saturday matinee on Broadway (Hair!), then off to mom’s party and a couple of days of visiting before flying home Tuesday.

Ugh. Hair. You’re a good husband.

186 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:36:22am

Good Morning Fellow Lizards. Philly is in a blizzard warning. I am going to stay on-line as long as possible.

187 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:36:36am

re: #179 srb1976

That sounds like a smart mom, to me!

188 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:36:49am

re: #181 Locker

I knew it! You broke my forking SQL Server! I’m NOT paying a ransom in pot brownies this time you are just going to have to settle for bagels and lox.

I can tell you what broke your sql server - starting it up.

189 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:36:54am

Good morning-Respects to the snowpocalypse folks this morning. I saw a similar sky to CJ’s photograph last evening. From horizon to horizon it was beautiful with the sunset just getting out from under the clouds the last 10 minutes.

Heh, I was out lens shopping and did not have my camera. Good news-I put a Tamron 10-25mm lens on order. W00T! I took a shot of the pretty sky but from the camera store the sky is all urban power company. Gonna be fun to try at the Key Club.

190 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:36:55am

re: #61 MandyManners

A co-author of the Goldstone Gaza report, which accuses both Hamas and Israel of war crimes, claims the Gaza militant group fired only two rockets at Israel prior to last year’s winter conflict, according to a new report published by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs.

SNIP

Desmond Travers

Colonel Desmond Travers signed an open letter, published 16 March 2009, addressed to United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the United Nations Security Council Ambassadors. It stated: “…we believe there is an important case to be made for an international investigation of gross violations of the laws of war, committed by all parties to the Gaza conflict…A prompt, independent and impartial investigation would provide a public record of gross violations of international humanitarian law committed and provide recommendations on how those responsible for crimes should be held to account…We urge world leaders to send an unfaltering signal that the targeting of civilians during conflict is unacceptable…The events in Gaza have shocked us to the core…We must also establish the truth about crimes perpetuated against civilians on both sides.”

Travers, therefore, began this inquiry with his mind made up. Events in Gaza - Israeli actions, not some abstraction - had “shocked him.” He had already called for a commission to hold criminals “to account.” Account for what he had already decided were crimes that had occurred. He had already decided that “gross violations of the laws of war,” “gross violations of international humanitarian law,” “targeting of civilians,” and “crimes perpetuated against civilians” had been committed.

191 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:37:39am

re: #186 PhillyPretzel

sounds like a good plan. Oh, and, good morning!

192 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:37:52am

re: #188 cliffster

I can tell you what broke your sql server - starting it up.

Someone who gets it.

193 laZardo  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:38:12am

Evenin honcos!

194 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:38:14am

re: #180 Aceofwhat?

Unnaturally bright blue eyes are hypnotic and magnetic, yes. Once dated a girl whose natural color was closer to purple than i’ve ever seen. She was a full-on crazy person, and i stuck around waaay longer than i should have because of the eye-color hypnosis thing.

My first marriage revolved around a similar relationship. I can’t say my two primal rules have ever changed though.

1. The amount of crazy a guy is willing to put up with from a woman is directly proportional to how attractive he finds her.

2. Crazy girls are better in bed. Way less inhibitions.

Relatively sane girls should not take offense. Some of us are just drawn to challenging and exciting circumstances. You know, like a moth to a raging inferno.

195 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:38:18am

re: #189 Rightwingconspirator

‘morning!

196 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:38:25am

re: #176 thedopefishlives

I tell people I break things for a living. They get real interested at that point, but too bad it’s just a hook. The only thing I break is computer programs.

I used to say that too. Then I realized it was the developers that actually broke things. Otherwise, my scripts would run just fine. ;)

197 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:38:40am

re: #193 laZardo

‘morning/evening!

198 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:39:01am

re: #182 darthstar

You should be good to go once the airlines get their schedules back in order. Manhattan does a pretty good job clearing snow, and I’ve heard great things about Hair. Have fun!

199 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:39:18am

re: #185 Aceofwhat?

Ugh. Hair. You’re a good husband.

My choice! When I was a kid, my parents got the LP of Hair…I memorized every song on it.

200 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:39:24am

re: #195 SasyMomaCat

And congrats on 500 comments. And good karma too!

201 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:39:58am

re: #191 SasyMomaCat
Thanks. I was surprised to have a day off with pay for today. I figured that staying home and being on the internet was the best bet.

202 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:40:35am

re: #200 Rightwingconspirator

Thanks! One of these days I’ll start saying things significant enough that maybe my karma will pass my comment count! LOL

203 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:41:00am

re: #201 PhillyPretzel

‘specially when you can spend it here with the lizards!

204 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:41:29am

re: #202 SasyMomaCat

Thanks! One of these days I’ll start saying things significant enough that maybe my karma will pass my comment count! LOL

Bad puns—that’s the ticket.

205 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:42:29am

re: #192 thedopefishlives

Someone who gets it.

Laugh what do you two want huh? Reliability or job security? Personally I’m here to get paid.. I hope this shit keeps breaking forever .

206 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:42:47am

re: #204 Decatur Deb

LOL - I’m not nearly witty enough to pull that off - but thanks for the advice. I do enjoy a good pun thread, though. It’s always interesting to see just how far they can go.

207 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:42:50am

re: #203 SasyMomaCat

True. Oh darn I hear sleet on the window. This is going to be one heck of a mess.

208 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:43:17am

re: #205 Locker

Laugh what do you two want huh? Reliability or job security? Personally I’m here to get paid.. I hope this shit keeps breaking forever .

Hey, I’m not complaining, either. Every computer program bug is another day’s work, and with a brand-new mortgage to support, I definitely am NOT complaining.

209 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:43:36am

re: #199 darthstar

My choice! When I was a kid, my parents got the LP of Hair…I memorized every song on it.

When I was a kid, this is what my dad would have said if I had done that.

210 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:43:46am

More from Travers.

4. Critics have also said that Hamas deliberately inserted its fighters among civilians and that doing so increased the civilian toll. Did you find that to be the case?

We found no evidence that Hamas used civilians as hostages. I had expected to find such evidence but did not. We also found no evidence that mosques were used to store munitions. SNIP

Anyone else remember the real-time footage we saw of Hamas fighters surrounded by civilians? Of munitions being stored in mosques?

211 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:44:12am

re: #207 PhillyPretzel

Good reason to stay in even longer. Got chili fixin’s in the fridge? This is great weather for chili (or beef stew, or just about any hearty homemade soup)

212 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:44:56am

re: #211 SasyMomaCat

Good reason to stay in even longer. Got chili fixin’s in the fridge? This is great weather for chili (or beef stew, or just about any hearty homemade soup)

Stop you are making me hungry. I have this killer vegetable, beef and barley soup which doesn’t even take very long. Bake a loaf of bread with it and booya, instant snow day goodness.

213 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:45:07am

re: #202 SasyMomaCat

Some here manage to do that. I chit chat too much for that to happen to me. I seem to have the deep thoughts on the fastest thread.
Took me 20 minutes to answer a gentle demand to clarify(abortion thread) from our host. Talk about PIMF.
:) Preview was my brother there for a few.

214 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:45:28am

re: #210 MandyManners

He went in wearing ideological blinders.

215 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:45:56am

re: #212 Locker

When should I be there for dinner? :)

216 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:46:04am

re: #199 darthstar

My choice! When I was a kid, my parents got the LP of Hair…I memorized every song on it.

Ha! It’s funny how much of what we grow up with influences our tastes later on. I have contrarian broadway tastes, though - i didn’t like Cats or Rent either. Come to think of it, i’m more of an off-broadway person. Having been an aspiring actor who couldn’t sing, i never did get into the musical genre. Call it jealousy…

217 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:47:00am

re: #210 MandyManners

More from Travers.

4. Critics have also said that Hamas deliberately inserted its fighters among civilians and that doing so increased the civilian toll. Did you find that to be the case?

Anyone else remember the real-time footage we saw of Hamas fighters surrounded by civilians? Of munitions being stored in mosques?

yep. what a gem, this guy.

218 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:47:10am

For some reason I always want my mom’s baked macaroni and cheese when it’s cold outside. She needs to come off that recipe but she’s stubborn like that.

219 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:48:10am

re: #215 SasyMomaCat

When should I be there for dinner? :)

I would need you to come for dinner to help eat it. My wife doesn’t like mushrooms (1lb in the recipe) and my daughter is a veg. I can’t really eat a whole pot of soup and freezing is out of the question as our freezer is dominated by 250 jimmy dean’s breakfast sandwiches.

220 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:48:28am

re: #210 MandyManners

YES damn it. I guess he only watches Al Jazeera. Lets send him a freaking link to the IDF youtube channel shall we?

221 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:48:48am

re: #210 MandyManners

More from Travers.

4. Critics have also said that Hamas deliberately inserted its fighters among civilians and that doing so increased the civilian toll. Did you find that to be the case?

Anyone else remember the real-time footage we saw of Hamas fighters surrounded by civilians? Of munitions being stored in mosques?

Yes, shakes head. The IDF creates the video, and puts it on YouTube, but that is not good enough.

Makes me sick. You can just see the corruption… right in front of you and you can’t do anything.

222 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:48:52am

re: #216 Aceofwhat?

Ha! It’s funny how much of what we grow up with influences our tastes later on. I have contrarian broadway tastes, though - i didn’t like Cats or Rent either. Come to think of it, i’m more of an off-broadway person. Having been an aspiring actor who couldn’t sing, i never did get into the musical genre. Call it jealousy…

I really liked Rent but Avenue Q is tops with me. My is nutzo for Jersey Boys. She’s probably seen it 15 times all over the country.

223 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:49:00am
224 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:49:06am

re: #213 Rightwingconspirator

Ya, most of my input is chit-chat, too. I have found the same thing as you - when I find myself typing a thoughtful reply to something of import, it takes a little time to make sure I am saying it clearly and not inserting catch phrases that might obscure my thoughts. That, and by the time I post those thoughts, the conversation has often moved on to other things (or emotionally charged, which is always dangerous.)

225 laZardo  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:49:20am

re: #210 MandyManners

We found no evidence that Hamas used civilians as hostages. I had expected to find such evidence but did not. We also found no evidence that mosques were used to store munitions. Those charges reflect Western perceptions in some quarters that Islam is a violent religion.

Goddammit.

226 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:50:17am

re: #218 Locker

Have you tried Patti LaBelle’s Over the Rainbow maccaroni & cheese? (recipezaar.com) It might offer a reasonable substitute until you can talk your mom out of her recipe …

227 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:50:27am

Iran’s stated intention to enrich uranium to higher levels is in one sense another incremental act of brinkmanship in a standoff with the West. But nuclear specialists say it also suggests that the country is striving to make real technical progress toward producing a bomb.

The latest step — an order on Sunday to begin enriching uranium to 20 percent — would not itself produce nuclear fuel that could be easily used in a bomb, which generally requires uranium enriched to 90 percent. But the technical leap required to get to 90 percent from 20 percent is relatively straightforward, the specialists say, because enriching uranium in machines known as centrifuges becomes easier at higher levels.

SNIP

Nuclear experts said that the low level of enrichment of Iran’s existing uranium stock gave the West some assurance that it would take time for Iran to develop a bomb. Every new step toward higher enrichment erodes that margin of comfort.

“The higher the concentration, the easier it gets,” said Houston G. Wood III, a centrifuge expert at the University of Virginia.

The reason lies in the great scarcity of the type of atoms that engineers seek to enrich, or concentrate. Uranium 235 — the kind that easily splits in two, or fissions, in bursts of atomic energy — makes up less than 1 percent of all natural uranium, and engineers spin centrifuges at very high speeds to separate out that rare form.

The early stages of enrichment require more work because so much uranium must be sorted. Mr. Kemp of Princeton likened the process to hunting through a barrel full of blue candies to find a few red ones. “You have to search and search and search,” he said, adding that the hunt gets easier as the number of blue candies falls.

So too with uranium 235. Going from the natural state of 0.7 percent enrichment to roughly 4 percent — as Iran has been doing for years at Natanz in defiance of the United Nations Security Council — requires about 70 percent of the energy needed to concentrate the uranium to the high levels considered necessary for a bomb. Going to 20 percent takes 90 percent of the total energy required — almost to the finish line.


SNIP

228 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:50:41am

re: #216 Aceofwhat?

Ha! It’s funny how much of what we grow up with influences our tastes later on. I have contrarian broadway tastes, though - i didn’t like Cats or Rent either. Come to think of it, i’m more of an off-broadway person. Having been an aspiring actor who couldn’t sing, i never did get into the musical genre. Call it jealousy…

I liked Cats…didn’t want to see Rent (just didn’t interest me). But a good musical is always fun.

Ooh…it’s bright enough outside to run with the dogs now. Back in a half hour.

229 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:50:42am

re: #224 SasyMomaCat

Ya, most of my input is chit-chat, too. I have found the same thing as you - when I find myself typing a thoughtful reply to something of import, it takes a little time to make sure I am saying it clearly and not inserting catch phrases that might obscure my thoughts. That, and by the time I post those thoughts, the conversation has often moved on to other things (or emotionally charged, which is always dangerous.)

Yea but dangerous is fun on the interwebz. Just let it splatter all over the place and see what sticks. That method works for a LOT of people ‘round these parts… but not me of course ;-)

230 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:51:49am

re: #214 SasyMomaCat

He went in wearing ideological blinders.

They all did.

231 laZardo  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:51:53am

re: #229 Locker

Yea but dangerous is fun on the interwebz. Just let it splatter all over the place and see what sticks. That method works for a LOT of people ‘round these parts… but not me of course ;-)

That’s because a LOT of people end up going blind.

232 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:52:10am

re: #219 Locker

LOL - well, sounds like you don’t get to eat it very often. But it sounds good enough to be worth investing in either a chest or upright freezer (if you’ve got the space). You could fill it up with single servings of your favorite soups! LOL

233 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:52:17am

re: #226 SasyMomaCat

Have you tried Patti LaBelle’s Over the Rainbow maccaroni & cheese? (recipezaar.com) It might offer a reasonable substitute until you can talk your mom out of her recipe …

Oh I’m all over that thanks for the link. I use a bunch of sites from foodtv.com which has a recipe box to store favorites to the America’s test kitchen site which combines recipes from a few different shows/sources to create a really big library. Additionally I just started checking out allrecipes.com but man that’s a ton of content.

234 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:52:33am

re: #217 Aceofwhat?

yep. what a gem, this guy.

They all are.

235 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:52:41am

re: #224 SasyMomaCat

Ya, most of my input is chit-chat, too. I have found the same thing as you - when I find myself typing a thoughtful reply to something of import, it takes a little time to make sure I am saying it clearly and not inserting catch phrases that might obscure my thoughts. That, and by the time I post those thoughts, the conversation has often moved on to other things (or emotionally charged, which is always dangerous.)

If I get involved in anything but jokes, I find I miss 3/4 of the thread comments.

236 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:52:55am

re: #219 Locker

I would need you to come for dinner to help eat it. My wife doesn’t like mushrooms (1lb in the recipe) and my daughter is a veg. I can’t really eat a whole pot of soup and freezing is out of the question as our freezer is dominated by 250 jimmy dean’s breakfast sandwiches.

It’s good that you have your priorities straight

237 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:54:18am

re: #233 Locker
Cook’s Illustrated is a good start if you want to learn more about cooking.

238 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:54:26am

re: #236 cliffster

It’s good that you have your priorities straight

I agree. A Jimmy Deans for breakfast at less than a dollar plus a Costco brand vitamin water for less than a dollar is much better than the five bucks I was spending every day on breakfast downtown. Shit is tight around here, that’s for sure.

239 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:55:00am

re: #222 Locker

I really liked Rent but Avenue Q is tops with me. My is nutzo for Jersey Boys. She’s probably seen it 15 times all over the country.

I’m a sucker for all things Steven Sondheim, personally. I got to play John Wilkes Booth for a scene (from the play Assassins) at the Cleveland Theater Conference. Loved it. Sucks that i can’t sing-

240 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:55:20am

re: #229 Locker

Yea but dangerous is fun on the interwebz. Just let it splatter all over the place and see what sticks. That method works for a LOT of people ‘round these parts… but not me of course ;-)

re: #231 laZardo

That’s because a LOT of people end up going blind.

I’ve seen exchanges go ugly just because commenters made an obvious misinterpretation of a remark. There’s no calling it back, though.

241 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:55:42am

re: #239 Aceofwhat?

I’m a sucker for all things Steven Sondheim, personally. I got to play John Wilkes Booth for a scene (from the play Assassins) at the Cleveland Theater Conference. Loved it. Sucks that i can’t sing-

Laugh, I can’t sing either but that sounds like it was amazingly fun. Did the nerves jump around or were you just able to enjoy the entire experience?

242 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:56:59am

re: #229 Locker

LOL - well, passionate is good - and it can certainly help in making your case. But it’s also really easy to devolve into some really bad territory. Folks react poorly when they perceive you to be picking on their sacred cows (whether you are or not). And, for most folks in these parts, I have a great deal of respect for them and try to express that respect in the way I interact with them. I don’t back down, but I try to divorce my thoughts from my emotions enough to see the other guy’s point of view, even if I don’t agree with it. I have been know to change my mind from time to time.

243 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:57:14am

re: #220 Rightwingconspirator

YES damn it. I guess he only watches Al Jazeera. Lets send him a freaking link to the IDF youtube channel shall we?

He’d dismiss it as a pack of lies. In one piece I read early this morning, he claimed that there were undercover Jews in Gaza fomenting trouble during the war.

Also, as I posted in No. 61, he claimed that Hamas did not shoot more than two rockets into Israel before the war.

He wouldn’t know the truth if it bit him on his ass.

244 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:57:28am

re: #230 MandyManners

yup

245 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:57:41am

re: #234 MandyManners

They all are.

It’s no mark of sanity that Israel is the biggest “offender” by volume at that building.

246 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:57:57am

re: #221 Buck

Yes, shakes head. The IDF creates the video, and puts it on YouTube, but that is not good enough.

Makes me sick. You can just see the corruption… right in front of you and you can’t do anything.

I should’ve addressed No. 243 to you, too.

247 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:58:24am

re: #238 Locker

I agree. A Jimmy Deans for breakfast at less than a dollar plus a Costco brand vitamin water for less than a dollar is much better than the five bucks I was spending every day on breakfast downtown. Shit is tight around here, that’s for sure.

Updinged for Costco

248 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:58:25am

re: #242 SasyMomaCat

Hehe yea I was just teasing you and mocking me. I respect restrain but my emulation is poor.

249 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:59:04am

re: #233 Locker

I prefer recipezaar over allrecipes, but that’s just personal preference. I like the rating system at recipezaar and have been pleased with most of the recipes I’ve pulled from there.

enjoy!

250 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:59:15am

re: #223 lawhawk

Absolutely. From day 1, Hamas told its thugs to take off their uniforms and blend in with the civilian population.

Hamas fired mortars from outside schools, and used UN offices as cover.

Travers, et al., are not ignorant. They are complicit.

251 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:59:28am

re: #241 Locker

Laugh, I can’t sing either but that sounds like it was amazingly fun. Did the nerves jump around or were you just able to enjoy the entire experience?

I love acting because i can channel the nerves. It’s a huge rush. I worked for a long time on the southern drawl - not having to fumble with an accent lets you focus on the moment and focus on all of the other little mannerisms that bring the character to life.

252 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:59:38am

re: #235 Decatur Deb

Which is difficult, when you’re trying to keep up and multi-task!

253 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:59:39am

re: #225 laZardo

Got you going, too, I see.

254 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:59:47am

re: #249 SasyMomaCat

I prefer recipezaar over allrecipes, but that’s just personal preference. I like the rating system at recipezaar and have been pleased with most of the recipes I’ve pulled from there.

enjoy!

Actually I’d never heard of that one before so thanks for the information. I’m already on there poking around. Mmmm new recipes!

255 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:59:52am

re: #243 MandyManners

He’d dismiss it as a pack of lies. In one piece I read early this morning, he claimed that there were undercover Jews in Gaza fomenting trouble during the war.

Also, as I posted in No. 61, he claimed that Hamas did not shoot more than two rockets into Israel before the war.

He wouldn’t know the truth if it bit him on his ass.

Remember that palestinian tv broadcast that gets interrupted by a rocket being fired from the parking lot below?

256 srb1976  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:00:43am

Truck warming up….children dressed….my evil plan is working so far..

257 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:00:50am

re: #238 Locker

For what it’s worth, the Great Value brand (Walmart generic) is even cheaper and almost as good as the JD.

258 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:02:01am

Locker, I usually stock up on most household items at BJ’s. They are pretty in the price dept.

259 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:02:37am

re: #240 Decatur Deb

ding - that’s the thing that causes me to take so much time - trying to say things in a way that is clear enough that people from differing POVs don’t misunderstand my intent.

260 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:03:55am

re: #248 Locker

It’s all good - :) I figured there was a little friendly jab in there ;)

261 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:04:26am

re: #255 Buck

Remember that palestinian tv broadcast that gets interrupted by a rocket being fired from the parking lot below?

I’d forgotten about that one!

262 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:04:29am

re: #251 Aceofwhat?

I love acting because i can channel the nerves. It’s a huge rush. I worked for a long time on the southern drawl - not having to fumble with an accent lets you focus on the moment and focus on all of the other little mannerisms that bring the character to life.

My wife received the entire Seinfeld collection as a gift for Christmas. One of the bonus features was this long segment on how the cast Jason Alexander as George, why they needed a strong actor to play opposite a comedian (Jerry) and how Jason auditioned with a Woody Allen impression and ended up doing a Larry David impression when they started shooting.

It was very interesting listening to Jason describe how he combines elements to create a character. Not something I have the talent to do, for sure, but it’s amazing to see someone with the talent and control to pull it off well.

263 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:04:39am

re: #255 Buck

Remember that palestinian tv broadcast that gets interrupted by a rocket being fired from the parking lot below?

264 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:04:51am

re: #258 PhillyPretzel

Locker, I usually stock up on most household items at BJ’s. They are pretty in the price dept.

I love BJ’s

265 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:05:01am

re: #254 Locker

Like a kid in a candy store ;)

266 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:06:21am

re: #264 cliffster

Yes I have a couple in my area. They are a little neater in how they display their items than Sam’s Club.

267 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:06:26am

re: #261 MandyManners

I’d forgotten about that one!

That alone is evidence that they fired from civilian areas.

WTF?

268 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:06:34am

re: #264 cliffster

I love BJ’s

Too easy.

269 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:06:39am

Snowed in again. I should have bought liquor instead of beer last night.

270 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:06:41am

Hey Morning Lizards!

Still on my first cuppa.

How are you-all?

271 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:07:07am

re: #257 SasyMomaCat

For what it’s worth, the Great Value brand (Walmart generic) is even cheaper and almost as good as the JD.

Thanks for the information. Unfortunately my family doesn’t shop at Walmart or Sam’s Club on ethical grounds so I won’t be able to take advantage. I do enjoy buying larger amounts for a lesser price. Your freezer idea had me on on Sears.com looking at small chest freezers. Found a Frigidaire and a Whirlpool that looked good for between 200 and 400 bucks. Might go for it.

272 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:08:29am

re: #262 Locker

I love watching Jason talk about how he slowly realized that he was in effect playing Larry. there’s this scene, i forget which one, that Jason was struggling with. He told Larry “no one would ever react this way, i can’t make this believable.” Larry said “I did that”, at which point Jason realized that (a) Larry was a crazy person and (b) the character of George was not-too-loosely based on what really goes on in Larry’s head.

Watching Curb Your Enthusiasm is a combination of funny and creepy, because you know that 75% of that is completely in character for Larry…

273 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:09:07am

re: #258 PhillyPretzel

Locker, I usually stock up on most household items at BJ’s. They are pretty in the price dept.

Yea no BJ’s out here in California. Which is weird because I live in like the retail capitol of suburbia. We get almost every new franchise first out here.

274 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:09:24am

re: #271 Locker

I think Consumer Reports had some reviews of freezers a little while ago. It might make sense to look it up.

275 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:10:01am

re: #268 Decatur Deb

Too easy.

Take ‘em when you can get ‘em. There’s a whole chain of convenience stores in Oklahoma called Kum and Go. I kid you not. I can’t figure out whether they are just morons, or if they are catering to the male population.

Looks like they have a website.. this is a real convenience store chain

276 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:10:18am

re: #267 Buck

That alone is evidence that they fired from civilian areas.

[Video]

WTF?

I don’t speak Arabic.

277 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:11:24am

re: #271 Locker

You might see if there is a local dealer that handles “scratch and dent” merchandise - you can sometimes get a fantastic deal with only some minor cosmetic issue that often won’t show after installation. And, if the thing is going in the garage or basement, then that’s not even an issue.

278 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:11:40am

re: #276 MandyManners

I don’t speak Arabic.

here is the one with subtitles…

I think the guy could find an interpreter…

279 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:12:09am

re: #272 Aceofwhat?

Yea I saw them have the conversation you mentioned and later on Curb they did it up right. Jason kept calling George pathetic and Larry is like “he’s not pathetic he’s funny!”. Jason says, “He ate an eclaire from the trash can” and Larry replies, “I ATE AN ECLAIRE FROM THE TRASHCAN!” and they go through about 5 different things Jason thought were pathetic and to every single one Larry is like I DID THAT! ARE YOU CALLING ME PATHETIC?!

Fucking….hilarious.

280 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:12:25am

re: #277 SasyMomaCat
Now I forgot about that. That is a good idea.

281 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:13:09am

re: #274 PhillyPretzel

I think Consumer Reports had some reviews of freezers a little while ago. It might make sense to look it up.

Yea good idea as I have a CR online account. My big problem with them is that normally the reviews I’m looking at are between 1.5 and 3 years old so it’s a difficult when the models change so fast.

282 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:13:42am

re: #275 cliffster

That’s a riot. I take it BJ’s is a retail chain? (Costco ads keep breaking through my spam filters, and they don’t have a store within a hundred miles, as far as I know.)

283 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:13:54am

re: #280 PhillyPretzel

I’m all about cheap :D

284 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:13:55am

re: #278 Buck

here is the one with subtitles…

[Video]

I think the guy could find an interpreter…

She seems nervous.

285 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:14:15am

Gonna’ start yet another day of laundry. bbiab

286 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:14:27am

re: #285 MandyManners

Have fun

287 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:14:42am

re: #281 Locker

Yes. It is difficult to keep up with the changes.

288 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:16:24am

re: #275 cliffster

Take ‘em when you can get ‘em. There’s a whole chain of convenience stores in Oklahoma called Kum and Go. I kid you not. I can’t figure out whether they are just morons, or if they are catering to the male population.

Looks like they have a website.. this is a real convenience store chain

Bahaha that is too funny man. I just sent that link all over work and 4 folks already replied that it has to be fake. Nice one.

289 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:18:31am

re: #284 MandyManners

She seems nervous.

Not worried about any return fire, that is for sure.

290 Jadespring  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:19:15am

re: #283 SasyMomaCat

I’m all about cheap :D

I get a lot of things from auctions. I got a 4 year old freezer for 20 bucks. My dining set is handmade and cost me a whole 10 bucks.

291 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:20:54am

re: #290 Jadespring

Excellent deals at auctions!

292 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:21:02am

re: #290 Jadespring

Hmm. I had not thought of that one. I have to check the local papers for auctions.

293 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:21:14am

re: #288 Locker

Bahaha that is too funny man. I just sent that link all over work and 4 folks already replied that it has to be fake. Nice one.

Real, like Dolly Parton. That’s Oklahoma for you.

294 laZardo  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:21:18am

re: #253 MandyManners

Got you going, too, I see.

Whooyeah.

Better keep the Iran watch going, big protests planned for tomorrow as it’s the 31st anniversary of the Revolution.

295 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:21:32am

Gotta run for now, guys - stuff piling up beyond my ability to keep up with the conversation. BBL - have a great day!

296 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:22:27am

re: #295 SasyMomaCat

Gotta run for now, guys - stuff piling up beyond my ability to keep up with the conversation. BBL - have a great day!

have a good day, crazy-eyed cat girl

297 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:23:19am

re: #294 laZardo

Oh my G-d. There will be lots coming from that area because of that.

298 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:24:18am

I think it stopped snowing in Chicagoland. Wasn’t sure it ever would.

299 laZardo  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:24:56am

re: #297 PhillyPretzel

Oh yeah. Expecting shit to hit the fan real messy this time, though I’m just surprised they’ve still had the determination to keep going.

300 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:25:28am

re: #298 ggt

Got sleet right now in Philly. Blizzard coming later today.

301 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:26:38am

re: #299 laZardo

I try to keep up with what is going on in the Middle East. It is not easy.

302 Jadespring  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:27:06am

re: #292 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. I had not thought of that one. I have to check the local papers for auctions.

Yeah you can get some really good things especially if you get to know whats generally sold and the general tastes of people who attend. The dining set was incredible. It just happened that no one else there wanted it. I felt almost guilty because it was so cheap.

Other amazing deals I’ve gotten was at a home store that was auctioning off surplus and this that had been turned back in for one reason or another. I got a set of brand new maple kitchen cabinets that were brought back because there was something wrong with the measurements. They were worth close to two grand and I got them for 350. I also got about three grand worth of hardwood flooring for around 500. My hubby installed it last week and it’s beautiful. I could never afford floors like that if I had to buy it retail.

303 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:28:02am

re: #302 Jadespring

I will keep that in mind.

304 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:31:37am

re: #301 PhillyPretzel

I try to keep up with what is going on in the Middle East. It is not easy.

Cliff Notes version

Israel is there
Arabs are pissed!

305 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:31:53am

re: #293 cliffster

Real, like Dolly Parton. That’s Oklahoma for you.

Ahaha that made me think of a reference, which you won’t get if you don’t watch The Venture Brothers however…. Dr Venture is all jazzed to sit down and watch a racy flick… later you see him complaining that The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas is the Worst Porno Ever!

306 PT Barnum  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:32:19am

re: #293 cliffster

Real, like Dolly Parton. That’s Oklahoma for you.

Actually it’s real. Kum and Go is a well known convenience store chain around here. Started out as Krause Gentle Oil.

Around here we call it ejaculate and evacuate.

307 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:32:45am

BBL, On my way to work.

308 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:33:08am

re: #302 Jadespring

Yeah you can get some really good things especially if you get to know whats generally sold and the general tastes of people who attend. The dining set was incredible. It just happened that no one else there wanted it. I felt almost guilty because it was so cheap.

Other amazing deals I’ve gotten was at a home store that was auctioning off surplus and this that had been turned back in for one reason or another. I got a set of brand new maple kitchen cabinets that were brought back because there was something wrong with the measurements. They were worth close to two grand and I got them for 350. I also got about three grand worth of hardwood flooring for around 500. My hubby installed it last week and it’s beautiful. I could never afford floors like that if I had to buy it retail.

We used to go to a particular auction every Thursday. It was a regular night out, and out $100 a week habit….Bought a lot of junk, but got a lot of good deals as well. Best deal was a brand new king mattress with split box (brand name still in the clear plastic) for $200.

Of course when we got it home we needed all new sheets,,, and that meant new curtains… might as well paint the walls while we are at it… new carpet for the floor… real cost $3K… but hey the mattress was such a good deal…

309 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:33:12am

re: #304 sattv4u2

That I already know.

310 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:33:29am

re: #26 Varek Raith

Earthquake rattles northern Illinois

Any lizards there feel it?

Nope. I slept right through it.

311 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:35:02am

re: #306 PT Barnum

Actually it’s real. Kum and Go is a well known convenience store chain around here. Started out as Krause Gentle Oil.

Around here we call it ejaculate and evacuate.

Yeah, I’m up in OK quite a bit (visiting in-laws) so I see them all the time. I never heard the nickname for it. Nice

312 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:35:05am

Iran’s top police official says authorities have made a series of arrests of suspected opposition activists before expected protest rallies Thursday.

Gen. Ismail Ahmadi Moghaddam says people accused of planning demonstrations were among those arrested. But Moghaddam (Mo-GHA-dam) did not give any specific figures Wednesday on the number of arrests, according to the semiofficial Fars news agency.

Iranian officials are vowing to crush any anti-government rallies Thursday that could mar state-backed celebrations for the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic Revolution. But opposition Web sites are appealing for a large turnout.

SNIP

313 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:35:48am

re: #306 PT Barnum

btw - Dolly Parton is all natural. You didn’t know that??

314 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:36:24am

re: #313 cliffster

btw - Dolly Parton is all natural. You didn’t know that??

Might have been at the start, but she has had ‘work’ since.

Sorry…

315 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:36:30am

re: #312 MandyManners

Iran’s top police official says authorities have made a series of arrests of suspected opposition activists before expected protest rallies Thursday.SNIP

IIRC, the NYT reported this morning that Iran has arrested more than 2,000 since December.

316 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:36:44am

re: #312 MandyManners

Iran’s top police official says authorities have made a series of arrests of suspected opposition activists before expected protest rallies Thursday.

SNIP

If the opposition is smart, they’ll take the hint and stay home. No point in showing up when all you’ll get is a beatdown.

317 laZardo  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:36:59am

re: #312 MandyManners

People in Iran have been “gassed, arrested, beaten up and shot” since its disputed presidential election in June, Limbert told reporters. “The U.S. and the international community can bear witness to what is going on there, and can speak a simple truth.”

It’s all Israel’s fault.

/

//cannot seriously believe that there are people that…seriously believe that.

318 PT Barnum  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:37:08am

re: #313 cliffster

btw - Dolly Parton is all natural. You didn’t know that??

HEH…was talking about Kum and Go. It was started in Iowa about 60 miles north of where I live.

319 laZardo  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:37:35am

re: #318 PT Barnum

HEH…was talking about Kum and Go. It was started in Iowa about 60 miles north of where I live.

Then it just trickled down to where you were and the whole state caught it.

320 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:38:20am

re: #314 Buck

Might have been at the start, but she has had ‘work’ since.

Sorry…

Dolly says it best with this quote, “You’d be surprised how much it costs to look this cheap!”

321 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:39:29am

re: #320 Mad Al-Jaffee

Dolly says it best with this quote, “You’d be surprised how much it costs to look this cheap!”

She also said, “I’m not offended by dumb blonde jokes because I know that I’m not dumb. I also know I’m not blonde.”

322 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:39:52am

re: #317 laZardo

It’s all Israel’s fault.

/

//cannot seriously believe that there are people that…seriously believe that.

Believe it.

323 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:41:34am

re: #321 cliffster

She also said, “I’m not offended by dumb blonde jokes because I know that I’m not dumb. I also know I’m not blonde.”

She’s awesome. Most people don’t realize that she’s not just a *ahem* pretty face. She’s a very talented singer and songwriter. Check out her original version of “I’ll Always Love You” sometime.

324 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:41:57am

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

Yes. People still believe that.

325 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:42:15am

re: #323 Mad Al-Jaffee

She’s awesome. Most people don’t realize that she’s not just a *ahem* pretty face. She’s a very talented singer and songwriter. Check out her original version of “I’ll Always Love You” sometime.

I loved her in 9 to 5. She was a killer and no dummy that’s for sure.

326 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:42:22am

re: #317 laZardo

It’s all Israel’s fault.

/

//cannot seriously believe that there are people that…seriously believe that.

I bet if Iran were to shoot off a nuke at Israel and Israel unleashed the Samsom Option, the UN and its ilk would blame Israel.

327 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:43:14am

re: #326 MandyManners

Of course. That is how it is done.

328 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:45:39am

re: #325 Locker

I loved her in 9 to 5. She was a killer and no dummy that’s for sure.

329 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:46:45am

re: #326 MandyManners

I bet if Iran were to shoot off a nuke at Israel and Israel unleashed the Samsom Option, the UN and its ilk would blame Israel.

Before a nation works its way into that kind of situation, it might be a good idea to really explore all the other options.

330 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:46:49am

Good Morning and Happy Wednesday everyone! I hope every one is feeling well this morning?

331 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:47:00am

re: #326 MandyManners

I bet if Iran were to shoot off a nuke at Israel and Israel unleashed the Sampson Option, the UN and its ilk would blame Israel.

Um, Mandy, the “Sampson Option” involved nuking the people who gave Iran the bomb, which would likely be Pakistan in this case. Bigel used it to mean nuking Europe, a monstrous position that got him banned.

(I understand that you are not advocating such a thing, I’m just providing background.)

332 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:47:09am

re: #323 Mad Al-Jaffee

She’s awesome. Most people don’t realize that she’s not just a *ahem* pretty face. She’s a very talented singer and songwriter. Check out her original version of “I’ll Always Love You” sometime.

Not to mention an incredible person

She has a foundation that mails a brand new, age appropriate book each month to every child under 5 in Sevier County Tennessee, Branson Missouri and Myrtle Beach SC on her dime

The program has spread throughout the country

333 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:47:45am

re: #323 Mad Al-Jaffee

She’s awesome. Most people don’t realize that she’s not just a *ahem* pretty face. She’s a very talented singer and songwriter. Check out her original version of “I’ll Always Love You” sometime.

I’ve always thought her version was superior by far. Much stronger in passion, even if the vocals aren’t as powerful.

334 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:48:23am

re: #329 Decatur Deb

Before a nation works its way into that kind of situation, it might be a good idea to really explore all the other options.

What other options? The rest of the world isn’t taking the Iranian threat seriously. Unless it does, what options does Israel have other than military action.

335 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:49:10am

Ever since Israel’s founding, they have been fighting to hold onto what is theirs. And everyone and their “friends” have been saying Israel is at fault for existing. I wish it was not this way, but it is.

336 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:49:44am

re: #330 Dragon_Lady

Good Morning and Happy Wednesday everyone! I hope every one is feeling well this morning?

Good Morning, Dragonette. I think we are universally cold, but happy.

337 laZardo  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:49:48am

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

What other options? The rest of the world isn’t taking the Iranian threat seriously. Unless it does, what options does Israel have other than military action.

How about the nuclear facilities suddenly and “mysteriously” combusting?

/I know it involves some unauthorized use of airspace, but it was hinted by some posters long ago that unofficially, the nations involved look the other way…

338 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:49:52am

re: #333 cliffster

I’ve always thought her version was superior by far. Much stronger in passion, even if the vocals aren’t as powerful.

She makes Whitney Houston look like an American Idol reject.

339 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:49:55am

re: #326 MandyManners

Of course they would - but that also supposes that Iran would target Israel first. Who’s to say that they wouldn’t target Jeddah, Baghdad, or Cairo as a show of dominance and Shia supremacy over the Sunni majority found elsewhere in the Middle East and around the world. That hatred runs far deeper than the Israel hate.

340 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:50:11am

re: #330 Dragon_Lady

It is sleeting here in Philly. It is supposed to snow later.

341 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:50:55am

re: #54 MandyManners

British police were on Wednesday investigating a verbal attack on Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon, after an Oxford University student shouted “kill the Jews” during a talk he gave at the university on Monday night.

UC-Irvine is back at it.

In the Name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful… The members of the Muslim Student Union at the University of California, Irvine, condemn and strongly oppose the presence of Michael Oren on our campus… Oren personally participated in the Israeli Defense Force in wars that took place in Lebanon and Palestine…Oren and his partners should only be granted a speakers platform in the International Criminal Court…

In the name of demonizing the Jewish state, intimidating its supporters and making it ever more difficult to present Israel’s case, Muslim campaigners and their allies at the UC-Irvine campus on Monday repeatedly disrupted a talk by Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren. Eleven of the louts were detained, issued summonses and released.

In trying to silence Oren, they made a mockery of the university’s commitment to freedom of speech and treated its dedication to respectful dialogue with downright disdain. Yes, they probably discomfited our ambassador, but they shamed UC-Irvine and its alumni.

SNIP

342 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:51:28am

re: #339 lawhawk

That’s a pretty tough sell, though. I mean, I know that among factions the Muslims have no loyalty; but you’d think that if they can mostly pull together to push the Jews into the sea, they’d be able to hold off on shooting each other long enough to fire off a first shot at the Great Satan before turning and telling the apostate brethren, “You’re next.”

343 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:51:30am

re: #335 PhillyPretzel

Ever since Israel’s founding, they have been fighting to hold onto what is theirs. And everyone and their “friends” have been saying Israel is at fault for existing. I wish it was not this way, but it is.

I hope you aren’t lumping in the U.S.A. into that category of “friends.”

344 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:51:57am

re: #343 drcordell

No.

345 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:52:35am

Okay, cliffster. I keep rubbing my eyes at your avatars. Last night it changed to Cato’s. Really. And now Brad Pitt. You’re messin’ with us, right?

346 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:52:40am

re: #329 Decatur Deb

Before a nation works its way into that kind of situation, it might be a good idea to really explore all the other options.

Are you actually laying the blame of a future nuclear attack by Iran at the feet of Israel?

347 PT Barnum  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:52:48am

re: #323 Mad Al-Jaffee

She’s awesome. Most people don’t realize that she’s not just a *ahem* pretty face. She’s a very talented singer and songwriter. Check out her original version of “I’ll Always Love You” sometime.

Somebody else that doesn’t get enough credit for being very bright:

348 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:53:17am

Alright, who did a snow dance with their pajamas inside out, hmmm?!
;)

349 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:53:41am

re: #343 drcordell

I hope you aren’t lumping in the U.S.A. into that category of “friends.”

He isn’t. Even Obama isn’t saying things like that. There are, of course, Americans who do blame Israel like that, but they are a small minority.

350 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:54:11am

re: #348 Varek Raith

not me. I have my long undies on right now.

351 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:54:18am

re: #339 lawhawk

Of course they would - but that also supposes that Iran would target Israel first. Who’s to say that they wouldn’t target Jeddah, Baghdad, or Cairo as a show of dominance and Shia supremacy over the Sunni majority found elsewhere in the Middle East and around the world. That hatred runs far deeper than the Israel hate.

Would we strike Iran if it nuked Jeddah, Baghdad or Cairo?

352 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:54:26am

re: #336 cliffster

Good Morning, Dragonette. I think we are universally cold, but happy.

I’m glad to hear you’re happy this morning, cold is unfortunately part of the season but at least its pretty out there. I love all the snow! In my lifetime I’ve only seen it snow four times and I loved it every time!

353 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:55:20am

re: #351 MandyManners

Would we strike Iran if it nuked Jeddah, Baghdad or Cairo?

The answer SHOULD be yes, yes, and yes. What my guess would be is probably not, yes, and maybe.

354 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:55:25am

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

He isn’t. Even Obama isn’t saying things like that. There are, of course, Americans who do blame Israel like that, but they are a small minority.

Look at No. 61. The U.N. is saying that, too.

355 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:55:37am

re: #326 MandyManners

I bet if Iran were to shoot off a nuke at Israel and Israel unleashed the Samsom Option, the UN and its ilk would blame Israel.

For over reacting….

356 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:56:40am

re: #352 Dragon_Lady

If you want to see snow come to Philly. We have and will be getting too much today. Blizzard warning today. :(

357 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:57:24am

re: #345 Silvergirl

Okay, cliffster. I keep rubbing my eyes at your avatars. Last night it changed to Cato’s. Really. And now Brad Pitt. You’re messin’ with us, right?

aww, thanks. I decided to put a pic of myself up, but people tell me I look like Brad Pitt all the time. Last night was just my way of saying goodbye to Cato.

358 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:57:24am

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

What other options? The rest of the world isn’t taking the Iranian threat seriously. Unless it does, what options does Israel have other than military action.

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

What other options? The rest of the world isn’t taking the Iranian threat seriously. Unless it does, what options does Israel have other than military action.

Relying on purely military solutions, in a world where the Islamic bomb already exists, is not the best idea. The ME will fully nuclearize in the next decade or the next generation. Israel is smart enough to find a better way.

359 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:57:45am

re: #355 Buck

For over reacting…

You are aware of what the Samson Option is, yes?

360 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:57:59am

re: #351 MandyManners

Would we strike Iran if it nuked Jeddah, Baghdad or Cairo?

I would hope so, in that part of the reason for the original Desert Storm was that Saddam had eyes on Saudi Arabia after going into Kuwait.
Also, our long ties to Egypt (foreign aid) and them being the only M.E. nation that has a treaty with Israel. Baghdad should be self explantory

361 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:58:41am

re: #351 MandyManners

We might - it depends on what kind of arrangements the US has with those governments - mutual defense pacts, etc. Or we sit back and do nothing except let those countries arm with their own nukes (and I know that Obama is pushing for a reduction in nuclear arsenals - ours and everyone else), but the use of nukes in the ME would come with all sorts of complications.

A nuclear Iran opens the floodgates to everyone else in the region rushing to get nukes of their own as a MAD deterrent to Iran - even though Iran’s pushing for nukes on ideological/religious grounds in addition to wanting to be the bully in the region.

362 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:58:42am

re: #346 MandyManners

Are you actually laying the blame of a future nuclear attack by Iran at the feet of Israel?

If the nukes start flying, it won’t matter whose fault it was.

363 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:59:08am

re: #358 Decatur Deb

Relying on purely military solutions, in a world where the Islamic bomb already exists, is not the best idea. The ME will fully nuclearize in the next decade or the next generation. Israel is smart enough to find a better way.

Like what? What option exists when the only demand is “You and all your people need to die and your country needs to stop existing?” What better way is there to defend against such irrational hatred?

364 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:59:10am

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

Um, Mandy, the “Sampson Option” involved nuking the people who gave Iran the bomb, which would likely be Pakistan in this case. Bigel used it to mean nuking Europe, a monstrous position that got him banned.

(I understand that you are not advocating such a thing, I’m just providing background.)

That is not my understanding of it so I did a quick Wiki and it confirmed what I thought.

The Samson Option is a term used to describe Israel’s alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a “last resort” against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well.[1]

365 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:59:37am

re: #358 Decatur Deb

Relying on purely military solutions, in a world where the Islamic bomb already exists, is not the best idea. The ME will fully nuclearize in the next decade or the next generation. Israel is smart enough to find a better way.

We cannot allow that to happen. If it does, we’ll get nuked at some point down the line.

366 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:59:53am

I’ve always thought that the main problem in the middle east is that the Israelis have joined the 21st century and the Arabs/Muslims like it just fine back in the 16th century where no one has freedom of thought, especially Women.

367 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:00:05am

re: #353 thedopefishlives

The answer SHOULD be yes, yes, and yes. What my guess would be is probably not, yes, and maybe.

Where’s my Magic 8-Ball?

368 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:00:53am

re: #326 MandyManners

I bet if Iran were to shoot off a nuke at Israel and Israel unleashed the Samsom Option, the UN and its ilk would blame Israel.

And what does this kind of hypothesizing do for us? Iran doesn’t have nukes…and they probably never will. Hell, they even signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty…and they don’t have nukes.

Oh, and I don’t believe Israel would unleash their nukes on their neighbors, either. Nukes are the weapons nobody wants to use, but everybody wants to have. Maybe if everyone had them we’d stop getting our panties in a twist over what-ifs like this one?

369 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:01:10am

re: #356 PhillyPretzel

If you want to see snow come to Philly. We have and will be getting too much today. Blizzard warning today. :(

Yeah, I watched the news report this morning, poor baby. You could always send us here in Los Angeles some!

370 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:01:16am

re: #363 thedopefishlives

Like what? What option exists when the only demand is “You and all your people need to die and your country needs to stop existing?” What better way is there to defend against such irrational hatred?

Find some sane parties on the other side, foster them, and work with them.

371 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:01:19am

re: #358 Decatur Deb

Relying on purely military solutions, in a world where the Islamic bomb already exists, is not the best idea. The ME will fully nuclearize in the next decade or the next generation. Israel is smart enough to find a better way.

I was talking precisely about Iran letting one lose on Israel.

372 shutdown  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:01:50am

re: #360 sattv4u2

I would hope so, in that part of the reason for the original Desert Storm was that Saddam had eyes on Saudi Arabia after going into Kuwait.
Also, our long ties to Egypt (foreign aid) and them being the only M.E. nation that has a treaty with Israel. Baghdad should be self explantory

I have just logged on, and have not had the time to read the whole thread; so apologies if I am restating another post.

My conviction is that the US and allies would have to strike at Iran following a nuclear attack by the latter regardless of the target. It is the proven willingness to deploy tactical nuclear weapons which will prompt action, not the target of the deployment. If the civilized world (read: Israel) waits until actual deployment, that is.

373 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:01:52am

re: #360 sattv4u2

I would hope so, in that part of the reason for the original Desert Storm was that Saddam had eyes on Saudi Arabia after going into Kuwait.
Also, our long ties to Egypt (foreign aid) and them being the only M.E. nation that has a treaty with Israel. Baghdad should be self explantory

I thought Jordan had a treaty with Israel.

374 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:02:31am

re: #356 PhillyPretzel

If you want to see snow come to Philly. We have and will be getting too much today. Blizzard warning today. :(

Okay, blizzard warning is beyond what I wish for (for you or anyone), but our NW winter has been way mild. Not one snow day! No sledding on the hill across the street, no charging into the house and ripping off the gloves and scarf and grabbing a cup of hot chocolate with mini marshmallows. May I have one day of white stuff?

375 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:02:41am

re: #361 lawhawk

We might - it depends on what kind of arrangements the US has with those governments - mutual defense pacts, etc. Or we sit back and do nothing except let those countries arm with their own nukes (and I know that Obama is pushing for a reduction in nuclear arsenals - ours and everyone else), but the use of nukes in the ME would come with all sorts of complications.

A nuclear Iran opens the floodgates to everyone else in the region rushing to get nukes of their own as a MAD deterrent to Iran - even though Iran’s pushing for nukes on ideological/religious grounds in addition to wanting to be the bully in the region.

Would MAD work with ShortShit and the Mullahs?

376 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:02:52am

re: #373 MandyManners

I thought Jordan had a treaty with Israel.

Could be, but I was focusing on the cities (countries) in the question

377 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:06am

Nancy Pelosi has no clue. Looking at Obamas $5000 incentive to hire, Pelosi opposed, saying it will not help job creation. Full time minimum wage earners are getting about $16,600 per year. The incentive is nearly a third.

What Miss Nancy does not get is we have millions of old lost jobs to be filled before we have 1 new job created. Lots of companies are under staffed.

Politically I hope she gets the axe for opposing help to employers. She could be shown to be helping Wall street and opposing Main street recovery efforts.
[Link: www.politico.com…]

378 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:08am

re: #370 Decatur Deb

Find some sane parties on the other side, foster them, and work with them.

That’s exactly my point: THERE ARE NONE. There is no negotiation with a party whose sole unrelenting demand is your death. It’s like arguing with a conspiracy theory nutjob; in theory, anything can happen, but in practice, everyone knows how it’s going to end and it’s pointless to even try.

379 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:11am

re: #366 Dragon_Lady

And because of that the Arabs are trying to kick Israel back even further so that Arabs can claim once again that they are the greatest civilization ever.

380 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:22am

re: #351 MandyManners

Would we strike Iran if it nuked Jeddah, Baghdad or Cairo?

If Iran had two bombs and planned to use one, the other would be in the hold of a ship within a few hours travel from a major US port.

381 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:31am

re: #371 MandyManners

I was talking precisely about Iran letting one lose on Israel.


The Iranian regime is working so hard to cling to every last semblance of power over their citizens. To me that’s not indicative of a group of people who wish to have themselves vaporized.

382 shutdown  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:52am

re: #375 MandyManners

Would MAD work with ShortShit and the Mullahs?

Yes, but only if they believed in the likelihood of massive retaliation. Brinksmanship is an art unto .

383 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:54am

re: #359 Varek Raith

yes, and I know what “shoot off a nuke at Israel” is.

I also know my colors AND my numbers.

384 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:55am

re: #354 MandyManners

Look at No. 61. The U.N. is saying that, too.

I just took a look. That asshole Desmond Travers spouted a font of lies. Sadly, the British Army has mostly been pro-Arab. The onyl famous exception was Orde Wingate, whose formation of the Special Night Squads in the late ‘30’s brought about a major reduction in Arab terrorism in the Levant.

385 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:55am

re: #368 darthstar

And what does this kind of hypothesizing do for us? Iran doesn’t have nukes…and they probably never will. Hell, they even signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty…and they don’t have nukes.

Oh, and I don’t believe Israel would unleash their nukes on their neighbors, either. Nukes are the weapons nobody wants to use, but everybody wants to have. Maybe if everyone had them we’d stop getting our panties in a twist over what-ifs like this one?

Are you the hall monitor today?

386 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:57am

re: #380 Naso Tang

If Iran had two bombs and planned to use one, the other would be in the hold of a ship within a few hours travel from a major US port.

False.

387 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:04:06am

re: #357 cliffster

aww, thanks. I decided to put a pic of myself up, but people tell me I look like Brad Pitt all the time. Last night was just my way of saying goodbye to Cato.

An explanation at last! Next time add an “I am Cato” or something. :-)

Nice gesture.

388 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:04:31am

re: #375 MandyManners

Would MAD work with ShortShit and the Mullahs?

Nobody knows if MAD will work beyond a handful of nations, combined in simpler bi polar alliances. All else is untested. And famously, MAD nearly failed on several occasions as it is.

389 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:04:54am

re: #368 darthstar

Here, have a glass of cold water and take an ibuprofen to get that fever down. Lay down over here.. try and get some rest. You’ll feel better tomorrow…

390 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:05:07am

re: #370 Decatur Deb

Find some sane parties on the other side, foster them, and work with them.

baby steps!!!

391 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:05:20am

re: #364 MandyManners

That is not my understanding of it so I did a quick Wiki and it confirmed what I thought.

The Samson Option is a term used to describe Israel’s alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a “last resort” against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well.[1]

That is only one definition. Even it does not rule out “Launch On Threat”, and it doesn’t limit targets to direct combatants. What you are looking for is probably MAD, not Sampson.

392 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:05:20am

re: #382 imp_62

Yes, but only if they believed in the likelihood of massive retaliation. Brinksmanship is an art unto .

No because they know the 12th Iman will save them.

393 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:05:50am

re: #381 drcordell

The Iranian regime is working so hard to cling to every last semblance of power over their citizens. To me that’s not indicative of a group of people who wish to have themselves vaporized.

Does MAD work with a messianic leader?

394 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:05:57am

Cat got your tongue, drcordell?

395 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:06:20am

re: #386 drcordell

False.

You seem so sure….

396 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:06:54am

re: #391 Decatur Deb

That is only one definition. Even it does not rule out “Launch On Threat”, and it doesn’t limit targets to direct combatants. What you are looking for is probably MAD, not Sampson.

I know how to Google.

397 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:06:56am

re: #386 drcordell

False.

What are you, an Iranian mole with one word insights?

398 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:06:57am

re: #393 MandyManners

Does MAD work with a messianic leader?

Ask George Bush…

399 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:06:57am

re: #385 MandyManners

Are you the hall monitor today?

No thanks…and as this is turning into a discussion about how right Sarah Palin is that we should preemptively attack Iran, I’ll bow out…gotta get ready for work anyway.

As you were….bomb, bomb, bomb…bomb, bomb Iran… Sing it, Johnny!
/

400 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:07:13am

re: #386 drcordell

False.

You state that as if it were an imperial decree. Care to back up your speculation with some logic? True, we’re all in fantasyland right now because there’s no hard evidence to hand, but at least TRY to make it sound like you know what you’re talking about.

401 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:07:19am

re: #399 darthstar

No thanks…and as this is turning into a discussion about how right Sarah Palin is that we should preemptively attack Iran, I’ll bow out…gotta get ready for work anyway.

As you were…bomb, bomb, bomb…bomb, bomb Iran… Sing it, Johnny!
/

Hahahaha upding x1000

402 laZardo  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:08:05am

re: #399 darthstar

No thanks…and as this is turning into a discussion about how right Sarah Palin is that we should preemptively attack Iran, I’ll bow out…gotta get ready for work anyway.

As you were…bomb, bomb, bomb…bomb, bomb Iran… Sing it, Johnny!
/

I’m gonna follow, seeing as how I have a…comedic view of nuclear war.

/smartest man on the cinder, yes indeedy…

403 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:08:22am

re: #368 darthstar

North Korea didn’t have nukes… until they did.
Pakistan didn’t have nukes…. until they did.
India didn’t have nukes… until they did.

No one knew about Libya’s nuclear program… until the PSI found out about it.

Iran has been quite vocal in its pursuit of nuclear enrichment capabilities - and 50,000+ cascades (P1/IR1 or P2/IR2) is more than sufficient to enrich to weapons grade with sufficient time.

I would urge caution over Iran’s nuclear capabilities. Their bellicosity suggests intent, and their scientists have been working with the centrifuges for a couple of years now working out the kinds. It’s a matter of time before they’ve perfected their enrichment capabilities. After that - all bets are off as to what they would do (and would further depend on who’s in charge at the time).

404 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:08:43am

re: #378 thedopefishlives

That’s exactly my point: THERE ARE NONE. There is no negotiation with a party whose sole unrelenting demand is your death. It’s like arguing with a conspiracy theory nutjob; in theory, anything can happen, but in practice, everyone knows how it’s going to end and it’s pointless to even try.

That’s an assumption of despair. If I believed that, I would be proposing reverse aliyah, to preserve the people. (In a sense, I have, with friends in Herzliya.)

405 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:08:50am

re: #400 thedopefishlives

You state that as if it were an imperial decree. Care to back up your speculation with some logic? True, we’re all in fantasyland right now because there’s no hard evidence to hand, but at least TRY to make it sound like you know what you’re talking about.

Explain this to me. If the Iranian leadership has a death wish, why are they locking down their society and turning it into a virtual police state to maintain power? Why seek to cling to control when they are going to kill everyone with a nuclear war? Especially considering the opposition Iranian party fully supports the nuclear program.

406 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:09:50am

Kinda hard to type right, my furry affection monger had climbed up into my shoulder for her morning snuggle. BBL after her attention box is full.

407 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:09:51am

re: #398 drcordell

Ask George Bush…

Really? Iran continued pursuing their nuclear program even with threats from GWB and the G-6/G-8 and UN (empty as they were). The 2007 NIE appears to have been wholly wrong based on the evidence - and Iran’s stated admissions of nuclear enrichment facilities at multiple locations.

408 gregb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:09:57am

Nice video update. I had to whitelist vimeo in my Noscript.

There was one ad that gave an error?

Not Found
The requested URL /a was not found on this server.

RAS/1.3 Server at optimized-by.rubiconproject.com Port 80

409 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:10:03am

re: #397 Naso Tang

What are you, an Iranian mole with one word insights?

Care to explain why the Soviet Union didn’t nuke us during the Cold War? Remember, they were the Godless Communists hellbent on a first-strike and the destruction of the world?

410 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:10:08am

re: #398 drcordell

Ask George Bush…

Fuck you.

411 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:10:29am

re: #362 Decatur Deb

If the nukes start flying, it won’t matter whose fault it was.

This is 100% true. It does matter whose fault it is before they start flying.

412 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:10:48am

re: #310 Dark_Falcon

Nope. I slept right through it.

no clue here either.

413 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:10:57am

re: #399 darthstar

No thanks…and as this is turning into a discussion about how right Sarah Palin is that we should preemptively attack Iran, I’ll bow out…gotta get ready for work anyway.

As you were…bomb, bomb, bomb…bomb, bomb Iran… Sing it, Johnny!
/

Who mentioned Palin? Oh, wait. You did.

That is NOT how this discussion started.

414 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:10:57am

re: #409 drcordell

Do you know how close, and how many times, we both came to blowing the hell out of each other?

415 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:11:06am

re: #405 drcordell

Explain this to me. If the Iranian leadership has a death wish, why are they locking down their society and turning it into a virtual police state to maintain power? Why seek to cling to control when they are going to kill everyone with a nuclear war? Especially considering the opposition Iranian party fully supports the nuclear program.

Who says they’re going to kill everyone with a nuclear war? The Iranian hardliners may well believe they can get away with a quick victory over Israel without getting caught. It’s theoretically possible, in the case of a country as small as Israel, to obliterate it completely with a well-planned first strike, thus immunizing themselves from immediate retaliation while giving themselves a chance to prepare against attack from threats like the United States.

416 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:11:18am

re: #328 Mad Al-Jaffee

[Video]

I can’t see YouTube at work but here is what keeps going through my head this morning…

Because I’m a sexistegotisticallyinghypocritcalbigot?

Bingo!

Ok so that was Lily Tomlin’s dialog with Dabny Coleman but still hilarious.

417 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:11:20am

re: #405 drcordell

Explain this to me. If the Iranian leadership has a death wish, why are they locking down their society and turning it into a virtual police state to maintain power? Why seek to cling to control when they are going to kill everyone with a nuclear war? Especially considering the opposition Iranian party fully supports the nuclear program.

Because they are sure that they can survive the chaos of nuclear war. That the 12th Iman told them so.

418 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:11:33am

re: #410 MandyManners

Fuck you.

Real mature. That was a serious response as well. George Bush has discussed his belief in the “end times” where Jesus returns to the earth. How exactly is that any different than the equivalent Iranian beliefs regarding the 12th Imam?

419 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:11:42am

re: #405 drcordell

Explain this to me. If the Iranian leadership has a death wish, why are they locking down their society and turning it into a virtual police state to maintain power?

That is a stupid statement. They have a death wish, as is spoken in every opening statement by their little leader, but on their terms.

420 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:12:42am

A great outline of patient-first GOP health care ideas by Newt Gingrich & John Goodman

[Link: bit.ly…]

421 Locker  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:12:43am

re: #418 drcordell

Real mature. That was a serious response as well. George Bush has discussed his belief in the “end times” where Jesus returns to the earth. How exactly is that any different than the equivalent Iranian beliefs regarding the 12th Imam?

Looks like you hit a sore spot. Imagine that.

422 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:13:00am

re: #415 thedopefishlives

NOT TO MENTION that many of the hardliners would be perfectly okay with going out in a blaze of martyred glory against the Great Satan, they just have to hang on to their power long enough to see it come about.

423 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:13:01am

re: #418 drcordell

Whoa, there’s a nuclear mine field that I’d dare not venturing in…

424 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:13:09am

re: #409 drcordell

Care to explain why the Soviet Union didn’t nuke us during the Cold War? Remember, they were the Godless Communists hellbent on a first-strike and the destruction of the world?

Because they were not what you claim, obviously. I’m not sure of the exact word for your form of logic, but it is not flattering.

425 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:13:12am

re: #410 MandyManners

Fuck you.

Well put, Mandy.

426 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:13:31am

re: #414 Varek Raith

Do you know how close, and how many times, we both came to blowing the hell out of each other?

MAD is not for the faint of heart. Nor is any other position post-Almogordo.

427 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:13:37am

re: #403 lawhawk

North Korea didn’t have nukes… until they did.
Pakistan didn’t have nukes… until they did.
India didn’t have nukes… until they did.

No one knew about Libya’s nuclear program… until the PSI found out about it.

Iran has been quite vocal in its pursuit of nuclear enrichment capabilities - and 50,000+ cascades (P1/IR1 or P2/IR2) is more than sufficient to enrich to weapons grade with sufficient time.

I would urge caution over Iran’s nuclear capabilities. Their bellicosity suggests intent, and their scientists have been working with the centrifuges for a couple of years now working out the kinds. It’s a matter of time before they’ve perfected their enrichment capabilities. After that - all bets are off as to what they would do (and would further depend on who’s in charge at the time).

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

428 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:14:17am

re: #414 Varek Raith

Do you know how close, and how many times, we both came to blowing the hell out of each other?

EXACTLY! Because of the ridiculous fear-mongering that took place. Because each nation had convinced itself that if their nuclear forces weren’t on the highest of alert levels constantly, the other nation would launch a surprise attack. The point is, having lived through the period, we know the truth. We know that the Soviets had no intention of launching a first-strike, just as we had no intention of launching a first-strike.

The fact that we almost killed the ENTIRE WORLD several different times due to human error should be a wake up call. That brinkmanship is a dangerous game, and we should heed the lessons of history.

429 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:14:26am

re: #418 drcordell

Real mature. That was a serious response as well. George Bush has discussed his belief in the “end times” where Jesus returns to the earth. How exactly is that any different than the equivalent Iranian beliefs regarding the 12th Imam?

The difference is that they have used suicide human weapons before. Used their population as cannon fodder in the past. GWB hasn’t.

430 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:14:36am

re: #418 drcordell

Real mature. That was a serious response as well. George Bush has discussed his belief in the “end times” where Jesus returns to the earth. How exactly is that any different than the equivalent Iranian beliefs regarding the 12th Imam?

We are really getting into the woo woo analogies now…

431 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:15:22am

re: #428 drcordell

What happens when we meet an opponent who has no such scruples about launching a first attack? Someone who really doesn’t care if he and his people get vaporized, because they’ll get a martyr cookie if they do?

432 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:15:37am

re: #429 Buck

The difference is that they have used suicide human weapons before. Used their population as cannon fodder in the past. GWB hasn’t.

Remember when they sent kids into battle to clear the minefields?

433 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:16:01am

re: #414 Varek Raith

Do you know how close, and how many times, we both came to blowing the hell out of each other?

Probably nobody here does. I would guess more times than we’re aware of.

434 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:16:24am

re: #430 Naso Tang

We are really getting into the woo woo analogies now…

Because Islamic apocalyptic beliefs have absolutely NO relevance to Christianist apocalyptic beliefs? Explain exactly what is different besides the fact that Bush is talking about Jesus.

435 Bagua  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:16:29am

re: #368 darthstar

And what does this kind of hypothesizing do for us? Iran doesn’t have nukes…and they probably never will. Hell, they even signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty…and they don’t have nukes.

Oh, and I don’t believe Israel would unleash their nukes on their neighbors, either. Nukes are the weapons nobody wants to use, but everybody wants to have. Maybe if everyone had them we’d stop getting our panties in a twist over what-ifs like this one?

Stunning naivety.

436 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:16:43am

re: #433 Silvergirl

Probably nobody here does. I would guess more times than we’re aware of.

I’m pretty sure it’s 6+, that I know of…
…I think.

437 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:16:47am

re: #428 drcordell


When you can clearly see your line of argument is starting to piss people off, you really need to consider whether it’s the best way you can make your argument. Going to comparisons with Bush is just an invitation for people to dismiss you.

438 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:16:55am

re: #428 drcordell

There’s a concept called “game theory” that I think you’d find interesting.

439 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:17:26am

re: #418 drcordell

Real mature. That was a serious response as well. George Bush has discussed his belief in the “end times” where Jesus returns to the earth. How exactly is that any different than the equivalent Iranian beliefs regarding the 12th Imam?

It’s simple, really: George W. Bush subscribes to the normal Christian belief that the timing of Jesus’ Return cannot be known or effected by humans. Achmadinijad thinks that he can speed things along with a war war to destroy Israel. Downding for comparing a decent man to that Iranian nutcase.

440 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:17:30am

re: #434 drcordell

Christian apocalyptic doctrine doesn’t have us eager to blow the living daylights out of each other.

441 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:18:34am

re: #432 MandyManners

Remember when they sent kids into battle to clear the minefields?

Again. Sending soldiers to die on the battlefield in a suicide mission is still completely different than guaranteeing the complete vaporization and death of your entire nation. The Japanese used kamikazee pilots, did they not? Yet when we began dropping nuclear weapons on their cities they surrendered immediately. Your analogy is false.

442 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:19:19am

re: #441 drcordell

Uhhh, you may want to do a bit more research into the surrender of Imperial Japan…

443 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:19:50am

re: #441 drcordell

They almost DIDN’T surrender. The only reason they did is because the emperor convinced the hardliners that he would permit the war to continue if the imperial sovereignty was not maintained. We got lucky that they accepted the surrender without a bloody coup.

444 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:20:01am

re: #440 thedopefishlives

Christian apocalyptic doctrine doesn’t have us eager to blow the living daylights out of each other.

Yeah you’re right. George Bush didn’t start any wars. Oh… wait…

445 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:20:23am

re: #436 Varek Raith

I’m pretty sure it’s 6+, that I know of…
…I think.

Isn’t +6 the rating on your new helmet?

/D&D geekage

446 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:20:32am

re: #443 thedopefishlives

They almost DIDN’T surrender. The only reason they did is because the emperor convinced the hardliners that he would permit the war to continue if the imperial sovereignty was not maintained. We got lucky that they accepted the surrender without a bloody coup.

Almost didn’t… but they DID.

447 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:20:43am

re: #434 drcordell

Because Islamic apocalyptic beliefs have absolutely NO relevance to Christianist apocalyptic beliefs? Explain exactly what is different besides the fact that Bush is talking about Jesus.

Your ignorance concerning the differences between Christian and Islamic beliefs towards life, and the afterlife, is telling. This is not a forum to be educated in basic principles, but it is one to learn when one doesn’t know them.

448 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:20:44am

re: #445 Dark_Falcon

Isn’t +6 the rating on your new helmet?

/D&D geekage

Yes.
:)

449 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:21:19am

re: #441 drcordell

Again. Sending soldiers to die on the battlefield in a suicide mission is still completely different than guaranteeing the complete vaporization and death of your entire nation. The Japanese used kamikazee pilots, did they not? Yet when we began dropping nuclear weapons on their cities they surrendered immediately. Your analogy is false.

They were NOT soldiers. They were children.

450 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:21:35am

re: #444 drcordell

GAZE

451 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:22:44am

re: #444 drcordell

Oh, come on! Do you really think Bush initiated the war in Iraq to bring about the resurrection of Jesus????

452 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:22:46am

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

It’s simple, really: George W. Bush subscribes to the normal Christian belief that the timing of Jesus’ Return cannot be known or effected by humans. Achmadinijad thinks that he can speed things along with a war war to destroy Israel. Downding for comparing a decent man to that Iranian nutcase.

Uh, false. You may want to look into exactly what the hardline born-again Christianists in America actually believe. Because they do believe that humans can affect the timing of Jesus’ return by ensuring that biblical kingdom of Israel has been restored.

453 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:22:48am

re: #444 drcordell

You know as well as I do that that has absolutely no relevance to the point you were trying to make. If you have definitive proof that George Bush started a war because of his belief in Christian end-times views, put it on the table now. Otherwise, you’re just trolling.

454 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:23:26am

re: #441 drcordell

Again. Sending soldiers to die on the battlefield in a suicide mission is still completely different than guaranteeing the complete vaporization and death of your entire nation. The Japanese used kamikazee pilots, did they not? Yet when we began dropping nuclear weapons on their cities they surrendered immediately. Your analogy is false.

I remember when I was that naive. I was 16.

455 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:23:42am

re: #446 drcordell

Almost didn’t… but they DID.

I think your Japan analogy is the worst possible example you could bring in.

456 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:24:23am

re: #449 MandyManners

They were NOT soldiers. They were children.

To be fair, Mandy, during our own Civil War both side used teenagers as young as the Basiji were as soldiers. But the manner in which the Basiji were used was barbaric and I hope there’s a special place in Hell for the men who sent them to die.

457 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:24:36am

re: #452 drcordell

Dude. Seriously. Take a moment or two to ask yourself what you’re achieving right now. Are you likely to convince anyone, change anyone’s mind? What is the benefit from engaging like this?

458 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:25:44am

re: #456 Dark_Falcon

Another thing similar to Fascism— Hitler was really into his fanatical 16 year old fighters.

God, I loathe the power-hungry.

459 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:25:51am

re: #452 drcordell

Uh, false. You may want to look into exactly what the hardline born-again Christianists in America actually believe. Because they do believe that humans can affect the timing of Jesus’ return by ensuring that biblical kingdom of Israel has been restored.

Let me introduce you to my friend Alex Jones. I think you two will get along real well.

460 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:26:19am

re: #451 Varek Raith

Oh, come on! Do you really think Bush initiated the war in Iraq to bring about the resurrection of Jesus???

Never said that. Go back and read exactly what I posted in response to.

“Christian apocalyptic doctrine doesn’t have us eager to blow the living daylights out of each other.”

I merely pointed out that yes, George Bush believes in the Christian version of the “end times.” And that during his term as President, we started multiple wars in the holy land.

How is this any different than comparing the religious views of the Iranian political leadership with their views regarding the return of the 12th imam.
You are all so eager to believe that Iran wishes to launch a nuclear war based on the religious beliefs of its leaders, how is it any different to draw the same comparisons with U.S. leaders?

461 shutdown  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:26:21am

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

It’s simple, really: George W. Bush subscribes to the normal Christian belief that the timing of Jesus’ Return cannot be known or effected by humans. Achmadinijad thinks that he can speed things along with a war war to destroy Israel. Downding for comparing a decent man to that Iranian nutcase.

Without taking a position on the debate sui generis I have to interject that mainstream evangelical theology includes a belief that when all the Jews have returned to the Holy Land, the stage is set for the Second Coming and the Rapture. Please correct me if I err.

462 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:26:58am

re: #441 drcordell

Again. Sending soldiers to die on the battlefield in a suicide mission is still completely different than guaranteeing the complete vaporization and death of your entire nation. The Japanese used kamikazee pilots, did they not? Yet when we began dropping nuclear weapons on their cities they surrendered immediately. Your analogy is false.

You have already been corrected about the soldiers comment… and I think you have been told multiple times that the Imans don’t beleive they need that guarantee you mention. HOWEVER, more importantly you need to read your timeline better. Most important point?

AFTER we began dropping atomic weapons…. not before.

463 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:27:03am

re: #452 drcordell

Even allowing that point, you need to remember that George W. Bush has never shown any evidence that he believes that. He doesn’t attend a hard-line fundie church, he’s an Episcopalian (if memory serves).

464 Bagua  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:27:13am

re: #456 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, Mandy, during our own Civil War both side used teenagers as young as the Basiji were as soldiers. But the manner in which the Basiji were used was barbaric and I hope there’s a special place in Hell for the men who sent them to die.

As soldiers, but not as human mine clearing drones, as you note.

465 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:27:25am

re: #460 drcordell

You’re making a logical error in assuming that Bush “starting wars” (which is highly debatable, considering most sane people believe the Arabs started the war by blowing the SHIT out of 3,000+ of our people) is related to his end-times views. That is not necessarily the case, and it needs to be proven.

466 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:27:39am
467 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:27:49am

re: #459 cliffster

Let me introduce you to my friend Alex Jones. I think you two will get along real well.

Are you fucking kidding me right now? You’re calling me a neo-nazi. Unfuckingbelieveable. Can’t go two minutes on this site discussing Iran without being labeled a nazi or an anti-semite.

468 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:28:25am

Decafe coffee anyone???

469 Bagua  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:29:11am

re: #467 drcordell

Are you fucking kidding me right now? You’re calling me a neo-nazi. Unfuckingbelieveable. Can’t go two minutes on this site discussing Iran without being labeled a nazi or an anti-semite.

Is Alex Jones a neo-nazi? Serious question, I just know him as a nutter.

470 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:29:26am

re: #441 drcordell

The Japanese used kamikazee pilots, did they not? Yet when we began dropping nuclear weapons on their cities they surrendered immediately. Your analogy is false.

Again, your ignorance is showing. The Japanese surrendered, and not immediately, only because one man, their Emperor, decided to do so and was obeyed. There was an attempted military coup to prevent surrender, and it came very close to succeeding.

471 shutdown  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:29:40am

re: #463 Dark_Falcon

Even allowing that point, you need to remember that George W. Bush has never shown any evidence that he believes that. He doesn’t attend a hard-line fundie church, he’s an Episcopalian (if memory serves).

My recollection is that GWB was a self-identifying born-again Christian and an Evangelical. Am I wrong?

472 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:29:45am

re: #465 thedopefishlives

You’re making a logical error in assuming that Bush “starting wars” (which is highly debatable, considering most sane people believe the Arabs started the war by blowing the SHIT out of 3,000+ of our people) is related to his end-times views. That is not necessarily the case, and it needs to be proven.

Because Iraq is related to 9/11 how?

And again. I never said there was any correlation between Bush’s religious views and the starting of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. I am merely using it to demonstrate that it is illogical to attempt to use Iranian religious beliefs to predict their geo-political actions.

473 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:29:47am

re: #462 Buck

You have already been corrected about the soldiers comment… and I think you have been told multiple times that the Imans don’t beleive they need that guarantee you mention. HOWEVER, more importantly you need to read your timeline better. Most important point?

AFTER we began dropping atomic weapons… not before.

And even then there were Japanese within the High Command who wanted to fight to the death. As dopefish has pointed out, it was only by a narrow margin (which I partially attribute to Providence) that Japan gave up when they did.

474 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:30:20am

re: #456 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, Mandy, during our own Civil War both side used teenagers as young as the Basiji were as soldiers. But the manner in which the Basiji were used was barbaric and I hope there’s a special place in Hell for the men who sent them to die.

Weren’t those sent to clear the mines given “special” blankets that would protect them? They weren’t teens.

475 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:30:29am

re: #467 drcordell

Are you fucking kidding me right now? You’re calling me a neo-nazi. Unfuckingbelieveable. Can’t go two minutes on this site discussing Iran without being labeled a nazi or an anti-semite.

Actually, I was calling you a subscriber to crazy ideas. If believing you’ve been called a nazi makes you feel martyrized, though, carry on.

476 Bagua  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:30:54am

re: #460 drcordell

Never said that. Go back and read exactly what I posted in response to.

“Christian apocalyptic doctrine doesn’t have us eager to blow the living daylights out of each other.”

I merely pointed out that yes, George Bush believes in the Christian version of the “end times.” And that during his term as President, we started multiple wars in the holy land.

Name one war Bush started in the holy land.

477 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:31:18am

re: #469 Bagua

Is Alex Jones a neo-nazi? Serious question, I just know him as a nutter.

Not really. He’s more of a libertarian nut than an authoritarian nut. He’s certainly antisemetic and probably racist but not a neo-Nazi.

478 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:31:21am

re: #460 drcordell

Never said that. Go back and read exactly what I posted in response to.

“Christian apocalyptic doctrine doesn’t have us eager to blow the living daylights out of each other.”

I merely pointed out that yes, George Bush believes in the Christian version of the “end times.” And that during his term as President, we started multiple wars in the holy land.

How is this any different than comparing the religious views of the Iranian political leadership with their views regarding the return of the 12th imam.
You are all so eager to believe that Iran wishes to launch a nuclear war based on the religious beliefs of its leaders, how is it any different to draw the same comparisons with U.S. leaders?

No difference at all, fool…assuming that U.S. leaders are, like Ahmadinejad and the Iranian Mullahs, insane religious zealots who have no respect for the Constitution of the United States.

479 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:31:27am

re: #461 imp_62

Without taking a position on the debate sui generis I have to interject that mainstream evangelical theology includes a belief that when all the Jews have returned to the Holy Land, the stage is set for the Second Coming and the Rapture. Please correct me if I err.

I’m an evangelical Christian and I’ve never heard that in church.

480 shutdown  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:31:32am

re: #475 cliffster

Actually, I was calling you a subscriber to crazy ideas. If believing you’ve been called a nazi makes you feel martyrized, though, carry on.

You need to be careful about how wide a net you cast with your analogies, methinks.

481 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:31:37am

re: #468 Dragon_Lady

Decafe coffee anyone???

I’m coming around with a tray of doughnuts. Glazed, chocolate, maple, jelly-filled, cream-filled, cinnamon, powdered sugar, bear claws, apple fritters …

482 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:31:38am

re: #464 Bagua

As soldiers, but not as human mine clearing drones, as you note.

As drummers, to keep the cadence. Some were pre-teen IIRC.

483 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:32:05am

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

And even then there were Japanese within the High Command who wanted to fight to the death. As dopefish has pointed out, it was only by a narrow margin (which I partially attribute to Providence) that Japan gave up when they did.

And all of this is relevant why? In the end they surrendered, because they did not wish to see their nation destroyed by nuclear weapons. Meaning, despite the fact that they willingly used soldiers as Kamikazee pilots, they did not wish to see their entire nation killed.

Just as Iran has used “kamikazee” mine clearers in the past, doesn’t mean that they desire to have their entire nation vaporized by launching a nuclear first strike.

484 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:32:25am

re: #468 Dragon_Lady

Decafe coffee anyone???

It’ll clash with the raw steak I’m chewing.

485 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:32:35am

re: #472 drcordell

That was my point, man. Since what you’re really trying to argue has nothing to do with George Bush, why the hell use him, when it is obvious it’d provoke an inflammatory reaction? If you’re trying to make a point about Iran, you’re already shouldering enough— dragging Bush into it as well, you’d have to be Alcibides to finesse that and not just wind up pissing everyone off.

I personally don’t think that Ahma-dinnerjacket is honestly religious. I think he’s just a total corrupt scumbag. But you don’t have to insult people by comparing Bush to him in order to make that argument.

486 filetandrelease  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:33:06am

re: #470 Naso Tang

Interesting about the coup, I did not know that.

487 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:33:09am

re: #479 MandyManners

I’m an evangelical Christian and I’ve never heard that in church.

Same here. There are some extremist sects that do believe that, but that has never been preached in any evangelical church I know of.

488 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:33:22am

re: #481 Silvergirl

I’m coming around with a tray of doughnuts. Glazed, chocolate, maple, jelly-filled, cream-filled, cinnamon, powdered sugar, bear claws, apple fritters …

I think there’s enough sugar high being bounced around right now thank you…But a little sweetener would go a long way right now I think…

489 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:33:46am

Have a great day all!

490 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:33:49am

re: #481 Silvergirl

I’m coming around with a tray of doughnuts. Glazed, chocolate, maple, jelly-filled, cream-filled, cinnamon, powdered sugar, bear claws, apple fritters …

Leave the cutlery.

491 Bagua  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:33:54am

re: #477 Killgore Trout

Not really. He’s more of a libertarian nut than an authoritarian nut. He’s certainly antisemetic and probably racist but not a neo-Nazi.

Thanks, that is my impression as well, but I’ve only glanced at his kooky site and heard a couple of his audios.

492 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:34:03am

Sometimes lurking is just as fun as commenting.:)

493 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:34:19am

re: #441 drcordell

Actually - the Emperor was still urged on to fight even after the 1st bomb dropped on Hiroshima - they thought that they could still stave off defeat with the kamikazi.

It took the 2d bomb to get the military to admit defeat and for the Emperor to come out and declare that they would unconditionally surrender.

Now, extending that to the Middle East, Iran could lob a single nuke against Israel taking out the Jerusalem/Tel Aviv corridor killing a huge number of Israelis. They wouldn’t need a second one. If they did lob multiple nukes against Israel, Israel would cease to exist. It really is that simple - that is why preventing Iran from getting its hands on a single nuke is so absolutely critical - because Israel couldn’t absorb more than one nuke without vaporizing a significant portion of the population (and that would incidentally include quite a few Palestinians).

494 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:34:35am

re: #485 Obdicut

That was my point, man. Since what you’re really trying to argue has nothing to do with George Bush, why the hell use him, when it is obvious it’d provoke an inflammatory reaction? If you’re trying to make a point about Iran, you’re already shouldering enough— dragging Bush into it as well, you’d have to be Alcibides to finesse that and not just wind up pissing everyone off.

I personally don’t think that Ahma-dinnerjacket is honestly religious. I think he’s just a total corrupt scumbag. But you don’t have to insult people by comparing Bush to him in order to make that argument.

I should have realized that the Bush analogy would have just riled people up beyond the point where they can continue rational debate. But I still defend the use of the analogy, because I don’t see how Christianist end-time beliefs should be considered any less ridiculous than Islamist end-time beliefs. I’d have used Obama but he doesn’t cite his religious influence over his political decisions like Bush did.

495 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:34:38am

re: #471 imp_62

My recollection is that GWB was a self-identifying born-again Christian and an Evangelical. Am I wrong?

Perhaps, perhaps not. Politicians use religion to get votes. Are we to believe that there are more atheists than left handed people, but we have had left handed presidents but never a closet atheist?

GWB certainly wasn’t the latter, but how fundie is hard to say.

496 shutdown  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:34:47am

re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sometimes lurking is just as fun as commenting.:)

Take off your shirt and get in the pool, wimp.

497 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:34:57am

re: #472 drcordell

Because Iraq is related to 9/11 how?

And again. I never said there was any correlation between Bush’s religious views and the starting of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. I am merely using it to demonstrate that it is illogical to attempt to use Iranian religious beliefs to predict their geo-political actions.

Let me spell it out for you: The Iranian leadership has been making the case for us. They use religious talk as a foundation for their political actions. Every time Ahmadinejad makes a speech, he talks in high Islamic terms about martyrdom and victory over the evil US and Israel. President Bush may have said things like “God bless America”, but he certainly never said he was going to wage war against the Arab to bring about the Second Coming of Jesus.

498 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:35:11am

re: #487 thedopefishlives

Same here. There are some extremist sects that do believe that, but that has never been preached in any evangelical church I know of.

Yet we all get smacked with that broad brush.

I wonder if people wielding that brush really know what evangelism means.

499 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:35:30am

re: #474 MandyManners

Weren’t those sent to clear the mines given “special” blankets that would protect them? They weren’t teens.

They were actually given cheap plastic or metal keys, to unlock the doors of Heaven when they got there. Still monstrous, of course.

500 Bagua  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:35:44am

re: #482 Decatur Deb

As drummers, to keep the cadence. Some were pre-teen IIRC.

Which we will all agree is still deplorable, but not even close to the Iranian practice of sending children to stomp on land mines in order to clear the way with their lives.

501 mj  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:35:48am

re: #341 MandyManners

SNIP

Here’s another one from last week:

‘Islamophopic’ talked cancelled
[Link: cambridgetab.co.uk…]

502 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:35:49am

re: #451 Varek Raith

Oh, come on! Do you really think Bush initiated the war in Iraq to bring about the resurrection of Jesus???

If Bush had said that was his reason, I might have believed he was being honest about his reasons. WMDs? No way.
(not exactly snark, but maybe just a little - I don’t exactly buy into the ‘great spook in the sky’ thing myself)

503 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:35:52am

re: #484 MandyManners

It’ll clash with the raw steak I’m chewing.

I have some meat tenderizer in the cupboard I could loan you… it would make that steak a little easier to chew me thinks!

504 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:35:56am

re: #488 Dragon_Lady

I think there’s enough sugar high being bounced around right now thank you…But a little sweetener would go a long way right now I think…

My plan is to give that fleeting sugar rush which is invariably followed by torpor. What goes up must come down.

505 Stuart Leviton  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:36:08am

An lgf posting, January 23, tangentially mentioned Norman Podhoretz’ book “Why Jews are Liberal”, My gratitude to lgf for pointing me in the direction of Podhoretz’ book. Mr. Podhoretz attached reasoned words to my disenchantment from the American political left.

506 shutdown  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:36:37am

re: #479 MandyManners

I’m an evangelical Christian and I’ve never heard that in church.

I would have to do more research than time allows to confirm the point, but I will stand by it for the moment. Happy to be proven wrong by links to scholarly articles, etc.

507 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:36:51am

re: #483 drcordell

And all of this is relevant why? In the end they surrendered, because they did not wish to see their nation destroyed by nuclear weapons. Meaning, despite the fact that they willingly used soldiers as Kamikazee pilots, they did not wish to see their entire nation killed.

Just as Iran has used “kamikazee” mine clearers in the past, doesn’t mean that they desire to have their entire nation vaporized by launching a nuclear first strike.


You fail to show that the Mullahs think that it would happen that way. They might think that they can use a proxy like Hezbollah or Hamas and be able to deny deny deny. They might feel that the UN (China and Russia) would protect them from retaliation.

Usama bin Laden didn’t think that his “first strike” would lead to his country being vaporized either. (and yes I don’t think the blind illiterate mullah Omar was really running Afghanistan).

508 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:36:52am

re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sometimes lurking is just as fun as commenting.:)

I only lurk when the volcano begins to erupt…

509 albusteve  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:37:23am

re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sometimes lurking is just as fun as commenting.:)

especially when it’s useless to comment..this entire argument is ridiculous

510 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:37:37am

re: #499 Dark_Falcon

They were actually given cheap plastic or metal keys, to unlock the doors of Heaven when they got there. Still monstrous, of course.

IIRC, they were given both.

511 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:37:55am

re: #498 MandyManners

Yet we all get smacked with that broad brush.

I wonder if people wielding that brush really know what evangelism means.

Fairly few. Most of the brush wielders prefer to throw terms like “Christianist” around instead.

512 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:37:56am

re: #460 drcordell

Do not presume to know what I believe with regards to Iran. Second, you didn’t answer my question. Do you believe that Bush initiated the war in Iraq to bring about the resurrection of Jesus?

513 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:37:57am

re: #479 MandyManners

I’m an evangelical Christian and I’ve never heard that in church.

Based on my TV and occasional radio listening, it would seem to be the churches obsessed with prophesy/conspiracy theories. Obviously not all are.

514 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:38:20am

re: #494 drcordell

I should have realized that the Bush analogy would have just riled people up beyond the point where they can continue rational debate. But I still defend the use of the analogy, because I don’t see how Christianist end-time beliefs should be considered any less ridiculous than Islamist end-time beliefs. I’d have used Obama but he doesn’t cite his religious influence over his political decisions like Bush did.

You are taking “end time beliefs” and applying it to all Christians, including Bush, and then saying Bush == Ahmadinejad. But it’s everyone else incapable of rational debate.

515 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:38:22am

re: #508 Dragon_Lady

I only lurk when the volcano begins to erupt…

Actually, this computer is running slow. Plus can’t give this my full attention.

516 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:38:25am

re: #497 thedopefishlives

Let me spell it out for you: The Iranian leadership has been making the case for us. They use religious talk as a foundation for their political actions. Every time Ahmadinejad makes a speech, he talks in high Islamic terms about martyrdom and victory over the evil US and Israel. President Bush may have said things like “God bless America”, but he certainly never said he was going to wage war against the Arab to bring about the Second Coming of Jesus.

He didn’t outright say it. But he certainly mentioned God’s influence over his decision multiple times in multiple speeches.

517 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:38:48am

re: #490 Decatur Deb

Leave the cutlery.

Yeah, the claws are sharp enough around hear right now without the steak knives and cleavers!

518 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:39:03am

re: #468 Dragon_Lady

Decafe coffee anyone???

Decaf?!?! Blasphemy!11!!11eleventy-one!~
:P

519 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:39:04am

re: #516 drcordell

He didn’t outright say it. But he certainly mentioned God’s influence over his decision multiple times in multiple speeches.

There’s a difference between saying God is on your side, and saying that God told you to kill all everything.

520 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:39:07am

re: #494 drcordell

I should have realized that the Bush analogy would have just riled people up beyond the point where they can continue rational debate. But I still defend the use of the analogy, because I don’t see how Christianist end-time beliefs should be considered any less ridiculous than Islamist end-time beliefs. I’d have used Obama but he doesn’t cite his religious influence over his political decisions like Bush did.

OK, do you understand the difference between a theocracy and a democracy?

Which is more likely to use religious beliefs as policy?

Now, which is Iran, and which is the USA?

521 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:39:27am

re: #494 drcordell

I don’t understand how you can defend the use of the analogy; using an analogy like that just externalizes the debate into how valid a comparison it is. Since there are a thousand ways that the two men are dissimilar and have shown themselves to be dissimilar, that argument would be long and futile.

Analogies are tricky beasties, as like to muddy the water as provide a good example. If they do the latter, then they have failed in what they were supposed to do.

522 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:39:43am

re: #461 imp_62

Without taking a position on the debate sui generis I have to interject that mainstream evangelical theology includes a belief that when all the Jews have returned to the Holy Land, the stage is set for the Second Coming and the Rapture. Please correct me if I err.

That’s not exactly “mainstream” evangelical theology…it’s more the extremist sect of evangelical Christians (our equivalent of the Taliban). Some of the PNAC group believe this theory, and some of the “left behind” types hope it’s true because dying before the rapture and all that celebratin’ kind of sucks.

523 shutdown  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:40:02am

Wish I could stick around, but work beckons and I only get paid for hours billed!

524 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:40:09am

re: #515 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually, this computer is running slow. Plus can’t give this my full attention.

Unfortunately I’ve been able to give it too much attention… I almost need to get out the first aid kit!

525 Bagua  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:40:12am

re: #494 drcordell

I should have realized that the Bush analogy would have just riled people up beyond the point where they can continue rational debate. But I still defend the use of the analogy, because I don’t see how Christianist end-time beliefs should be considered any less ridiculous than Islamist end-time beliefs. I’d have used Obama but he doesn’t cite his religious influence over his political decisions like Bush did.

Actually, the problem is that the argument itself is not rational. The christians believe in spreading peace and love to get their spiritual fulfillment, the Iranians believe in spreading terrorism and destruction to get their spiritual fulfillment.

Your argument is like saying a peace officer and a mass murderer are equivalent because they both use guns. You have moral blinders on and are engaging in simplistic thinking. You don’t even know basic facts about the middle east, such as what is considered the Holy Land.

526 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:40:28am

re: #501 mj

Here’s another one from last week:

‘Islamophopic’ talked cancelled
[Link: cambridgetab.co.uk…]

If he said that he believes that “ethnic cleansing can be justified when dealing with Muslims and Palestinians” then, I’d be inclined to disinvite him, too.

527 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:40:31am

re: #507 Buck

You fail to show that the Mullahs think that it would happen that way. They might think that they can use a proxy like Hezbollah or Hamas and be able to deny deny deny. They might feel that the UN (China and Russia) would protect them from retaliation.

Usama bin Laden didn’t think that his “first strike” would lead to his country being vaporized either. (and yes I don’t think the blind illiterate mullah Omar was really running Afghanistan).

No. I’m sorry, but absolutely not. The Iranians are not so stupid that they think they can launch a first-strike and get away with it. We have the radiological signature of the uranium they are enriching. They know it would be traced to them, and that the retaliation would be swift and nuclear.

528 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:40:42am

re: #501 mj

Here’s another one from last week:

‘Islamophopic’ talked cancelled
[Link: cambridgetab.co.uk…]

Another capitulation. Benny Morris is not “Islamophobic”, rather he gets attacked for pointing out how Arab Muslims actually behave.

529 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:40:57am

re: #513 Naso Tang

Based on my TV and occasional radio listening, it would seem to be the churches obsessed with prophesy/conspiracy theories. Obviously not all are.


Not particularly wanting to get involved in this argument, but I might suggest that TV and radio programs might not represent the majority of Christian sermons.

530 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:41:10am

re: #503 Dragon_Lady

I have some meat tenderizer in the cupboard I could loan you… it would make that steak a little easier to chew me thinks!

My molas pack plenty of tenderizers but thanks the same!

531 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:41:28am

re: #524 Dragon_Lady

Unfortunately I’ve been able to give it too much attention… I almost need to get out the first aid kit!

A round of aspirin and a mild depressant would probably do wonders for the blood pressure in here.

532 Bagua  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:41:44am

re: #502 darthstar

If Bush had said that was his reason, I might have believed he was being honest about his reasons. WMDs? No way.
(not exactly snark, but maybe just a little - I don’t exactly buy into the ‘great spook in the sky’ thing myself)

Utter nonsense. How old were you in the lead up to the war?

533 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:42:05am

re: #506 imp_62

I would have to do more research than time allows to confirm the point, but I will stand by it for the moment. Happy to be proven wrong by links to scholarly articles, etc.

I don’t need any scholarly articles. I can read the Bible.

534 albusteve  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:42:13am

re: #516 drcordell

He didn’t outright say it. But he certainly mentioned God’s influence over his decision multiple times in multiple speeches.

so what?…who cares what people say about God…might makes right…are you defending Iranian Islamists and their support of Hez and their attitude toward Israel or not?

535 filetandrelease  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:43:02am

Call em on the carpet!

536 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:43:11am

I think this is going to be a multiple-Cinderella day. Probably 3 Cinderellas and 2 Snow Whites. The little girl is sick and I’m telecommuting and taking care of her.

537 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:43:28am

re: #509 albusteve

especially when it’s useless to comment..this entire argument is ridiculous

Well we can ignore the lava bombs and get to a nicer topic, can’t we? Like snow, or rain, or that pretty picture Charles posted or something??? Anything???

538 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:43:32am

re: #526 MandyManners

If he said that he believes that “ethnic cleansing can be justified when dealing with Muslims and Palestinians” then, I’d be inclined to disinvite him, too.

OK, that remark I did not see before posting. My #528 should be considered withdrawn.

539 albusteve  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:43:38am

re: #532 Bagua

Utter nonsense. How old were you in the lead up to the war?

I’ve seen this before…total disconnect from the facts and history…it’s a waste of time

540 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:43:44am

re: #525 Bagua

The christians believe in spreading peace and love to get their spiritual fulfillment, the Iranians believe in spreading terrorism and destruction to get their spiritual fulfillment.

And you’re lumping all Iranians (even the Jewish and Christian ones - and yes, there are Jewish and Christian Iranians, as well as Sunni and Shiite Muslim Iranians, and probably a Pastafarian or two) in with terrorism with that statement. That’s like saying Americans are infidels (I might be…though I will say I’m faithful to my wife).

541 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:43:56am

re: #511 Dark_Falcon

Fairly few. Most of the brush wielders prefer to throw terms like “Christianist” around instead.

The use of that word tells me all I need to know about the rest of the beliefs of those who use it.

542 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:44:12am

re: #525 Bagua

Actually, the problem is that the argument itself is not rational. The christians believe in spreading peace and love to get their spiritual fulfillment, the Iranians believe in spreading terrorism and destruction to get their spiritual fulfillment.

Your argument is like saying a peace officer and a mass murderer are equivalent because they both use guns. You have moral blinders on and are engaging in simplistic thinking. You don’t even know basic facts about the middle east, such as what is considered the Holy Land.

Right. All that “peace and love” spread by Christians in the name of God. Like the “peace and love” of a 5.57mm rifle slug tearing through the head of a someone shot out of a rifle scope with a bible verse engraved on it?

Not saying Christians don’t believe in all of that. But practically our nation’s “Christian” foreign policy has been anything but peaceful. The Republicans repeatedly state as often as they can that we are a Christian nation, under God. Tying our military actions to Christianity seems more than fair using the same standard that ties Islam to Iranian actions.

543 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:44:17am

re: #536 cliffster

A dream is a wish your heart makes
When you’re fast asleep
In dreams you lose your heartaches
Whatever you wish for, you keep
Have faith in your dreams and someday
Your rainbow will come smiling thru
No matter how your heart is grieving
If you keep on believing
the dream that you wish will come true

544 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:44:25am

re: #536 cliffster

I think this is going to be a multiple-Cinderella day. Probably 3 Cinderellas and 2 Snow Whites. The little girl is sick and I’m telecommuting and taking care of her.

No Little Mermaid? :D

545 Bagua  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:44:43am

re: #522 darthstar

That’s not exactly “mainstream” evangelical theology…it’s more the extremist sect of evangelical Christians (our equivalent of the Taliban). Some of the PNAC group believe this theory, and some of the “left behind” types hope it’s true because dying before the rapture and all that celebratin’ kind of sucks.

It is hate speech to equate evangelical Christians with the Taliban. Whether this arises from ignorance or malice I don’t know.

546 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:44:43am

re: #513 Naso Tang

Based on my TV and occasional radio listening, it would seem to be the churches obsessed with prophesy/conspiracy theories. Obviously not all are.

I urge you to go to the source, the Bible. Christ Himself says that the only one who knows when the end is is God.

547 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:44:58am

re: #533 MandyManners

I don’t need any scholarly articles. I can read the Bible.

I couldn’t have summed you up better with one sentence if I tried.

548 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:44:58am

re: #532 Bagua

Utter nonsense. How old were you in the lead up to the war?

I was two, but I really didn’t understand LBJ’s rationale back then, either.

549 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:45:23am

re: #544 Dark_Falcon

No Little Mermaid? :D

The Mrs. Fish has actually requested that I obtain a copy of Beauty and the Beast for her. She’s still a little princess at heart, I guess.

550 albusteve  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:45:46am

the doofi are loose

551 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:45:57am

re: #529 EmmmieG

Not particularly wanting to get involved in this argument, but I might suggest that TV and radio programs might not represent the majority of Christian sermons.

Isn’t that what I said?

552 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:46:12am

re: #545 Bagua

It is hate speech to equate evangelical Christians with the Taliban. Whether this arises from ignorance or malice I don’t know.

I was equating extremist Christians with extremist Muslims. It’s not hate speech, it’s a fair comparison. Don’t be so damned insecure.

553 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:46:15am

re: #538 Dark_Falcon

It’s really depressing how much you have to research someone these days before supporting them. You think you’ve found a good, solid guy, and then you find out that five years ago he wrote about how great it would be to be back on the gold standard or about how Israel’s creation was illegal.

Everyone seems to be turning it up to 11 these days.

554 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:46:41am

re: #527 drcordell

So we have the radiological signatures? How long does it take to do the isotope comparisons once the NIST teams are in place? How many are dead in the interim from the nuke that just went off?

You think that Iran is likely to ascribe to the MAD doctrine. What exactly is your evidence? There is a growing pile of evidence that Iran’s leadership not only isn’t rational, but that it could care less what the Iranian people want (see all those demonstrations and riots in the street claiming the regime is illegitimate?).

I put Iran in a class by itself because its leadership has repeatedly stated its intent to fulfill religious prophesies - Armageddon, Mahdi style. Preventing them from getting those capabilities should be a top concern, and once they get the nuke - the blackmail starts, and the regime is just nutty enough that they’d use it, even if it means millions of dead Iranians.

As we’ve seen during the Iran-Iraq war, Iran was more than willing to send unarmed kids into the front lines to be minesweepers and willingly sacrificed an entire generation to that war with no problem. Ahmadinejad and Khamenei are of that same mindset and would be willing to sacrifice many Iranians. Rational behavior per MAD is besides the point when other issues trump MAD.

555 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:46:45am

re: #544 Dark_Falcon

No Little Mermaid? :D

Little Mermaid seems to have gotten old a little while back. Now it’s all princess, all the time. Standard princesses, that is. Cinderella, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty.

556 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:47:17am

re: #546 MandyManners

I urge you to go to the source, the Bible. Christ Himself says that the only one who knows when the end is is God.

Umm. I was supportive of you, not the other.

557 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:47:24am

re: #553 Obdicut

Everyone seems to be turning it up to 11 these days.

Heck, even I wrote a paper on JFK conspiracy theory back in high school. I have since repudiated the conclusion, but I was young and stupid and didn’t think to check the credibility of my sources. It’ll probably come back to haunt me at some point.

558 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:47:28am

re: #542 drcordell

Okay, dude, you’re way, way, way the fuck over the line. That image alone you should be ashamed of conjuring up, especially, and let me make this clear, especially for those of us who have lost a loved on in battle with a bullet to the head.

Please stop.

559 Bagua  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:47:53am

re: #540 darthstar

And you’re lumping all Iranians (even the Jewish and Christian ones - and yes, there are Jewish and Christian Iranians, as well as Sunni and Shiite Muslim Iranians, and probably a Pastafarian or two) in with terrorism with that statement. That’s like saying Americans are infidels (I might be…though I will say I’m faithful to my wife).

Another statement that reveals that you are clueless. The Jewish, Christian and Zoroastrian Iranians have no political power. When we speak of the Iranians as a military force, we mean the mullah regime which controls the military.

You are speaking in terms of slogans and personal beliefs, and show no understanding of reality.

560 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:48:09am

re: #547 drcordell

I couldn’t have summed you up better with one sentence if I tried.

this is a sure sign that you have nothing to offer in the exchange of good ideas. Mandy’s worst post offers much more than your best.

561 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:48:14am

re: #558 Obdicut

Loved one. PIMF. Fuck it.

562 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:48:28am

re: #540 darthstar

And you’re lumping all Iranians (even the Jewish and Christian ones - and yes, there are Jewish and Christian Iranians, as well as Sunni and Shiite Muslim Iranians, and probably a Pastafarian or two) in with terrorism with that statement. That’s like saying Americans are infidels (I might be…though I will say I’m faithful to my wife).

EXACTLY. This is exactly what I have been trying to get across this whole time. In George Bush we had a leader who explicitly referenced his Christian faith over and over again in the context of his decisions as President. And he also repeatedly referred to America as a “Christian” nation. If you’re going to lump all the Iranians together based on dinner jacket’s interpretation of Islam, it cuts both ways.

563 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:48:30am

Hey guess what! I’m over 1000 comments now! My Karma’s coming up too! Neat!

564 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:48:38am

re: #546 MandyManners

I urge you to go to the source, the Bible. Christ Himself says that the only one who knows when the end is is God.

It’s funny how firmly people become convinced that their image of Christians, based on the craziest ones they’ve seen, is accurate. Nope, I don’t want to hear it.. I’ll tell you what your religion believes.

565 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:48:53am

So..uh…how about them…uh..Cowboys?…
:shrugs:

566 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:48:58am

GAZE has brought great peace to my life.

567 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:49:09am

re: #542 drcordell

Right. All that “peace and love” spread by Christians in the name of God. Like the “peace and love” of a 5.57mm rifle slug tearing through the head of a someone shot out of a rifle scope with a bible verse engraved on it?

Not saying Christians don’t believe in all of that. But practically our nation’s “Christian” foreign policy has been anything but peaceful. The Republicans repeatedly state as often as they can that we are a Christian nation, under God. Tying our military actions to Christianity seems more than fair using the same standard that ties Islam to Iranian actions.

You do remember who we are shooting don’t you? Our sharpshooters target terrorist who blow up markets, burn down schools for teaching math, and throw acid a woman for not being in a burqa. They are scum of the earth, and we do the Lord’s work in removing them from power and killing them.

568 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:49:10am

re: #552 darthstar

I was equating extremist Christians with extremist Muslims. It’s not hate speech, it’s a fair comparison. Don’t be so damned insecure.

Fundamentalism is fundamentalism is fundamentalism. Doesn’t matter if its Islamic, Christian or Jewish.

569 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:49:26am

re: #566 MandyManners

GAZE has brought great peace to my life.

Now you’re getting somewhere, young grasshopper.

570 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:49:35am

re: #547 drcordell

Go fuck yourself.

571 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:49:51am

re: #563 Dragon_Lady

Way to go. I take my karma one point at a time.

572 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:49:58am

re: #565 Varek Raith

So..uh…how about them…uh..Cowboys?…
:shrugs:

Varek, you’re my hero today!

573 jaunte  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:50:30am

Dopey postmodern equivalence.

574 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:50:36am

re: #552 darthstar

There is one significant difference: there are no Christian extremist states. Though the Balkans have occasionally produced one, they are, in the modern era, very rare— whereas extremist Muslim states are the norm.

Unlike some others here, I don’t believe this says anything about the Muslim religion itself, but simply those who use it as a means to power. However, it is still the actual state of the world. The US is far from perfect but it is saintly compared to Saudi Arabia— most of the worst of the US, to me, is our alliance with those states that we should consider evil.

We’re at least trying to head in the direction of good.

575 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:50:39am

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576 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:50:41am

re: #568 drcordell

Fundamentalism is fundamentalism is fundamentalism. Doesn’t matter if its Islamic, Christian or Jewish.

You forgot the Amish.

577 Bagua  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:51:00am

re: #552 darthstar

I was equating extremist Christians with extremist Muslims. It’s not hate speech, it’s a fair comparison. Don’t be so damned insecure.

I’m not the least insecure, I am telling you that you are making a false and outrageous equivalency in your desire to demonise Bush and evangelical Americans. It is hate speech, period.

578 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:51:04am

re: #571 PhillyPretzel

Way to go. I take my karma one point at a time.

Thanks! I just made your Karma better! Upding!

579 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:51:14am

re: #564 cliffster

It’s funny how firmly people become convinced that their image of Christians, based on the craziest ones they’ve seen, is accurate. Nope, I don’t want to hear it.. I’ll tell you what your religion believes.

You are quoting a response to me, and anyone reading it will think I said the opposite of what I did.

580 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:51:47am

re: #567 Dark_Falcon

They are scum of the earth, and we do the Lord’s work in removing them from power and killing them.

And that statement is why drawing an analogy between America and Iran with regard to religious motivation of political/military actions is possible. How can we claim to hold the moral high ground when we explicitly acknowledge that yes, we ARE fighting a holy war between Islam and Christianity?

Here I am thinking that it was about right and wrong this whole time, and not doing the work of Jesus by killing infidels.

581 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:51:51am

Scientific study done yesterday:

If you allow a bunch of middle-school aged boys access to battery packs and alligator clips and motors and fans, sooner or later they will figure out how to either blow something up or launch it.

Luckily, we managed to launch a small plastic fan across the room repeatedly. No explosions, although I don’t think I would light a match in the vicinity of their shoes.

582 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:52:35am

re: #570 Dark_Falcon

Go fuck yourself.

Let the flouncing begin.

583 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:52:40am

re: #578 Dragon_Lady

TY. I am going to sit back and watch the board a little while. I just shoveled part of my walk.

584 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:53:02am

re: #545 Bagua

It is hate speech to equate evangelical Christians with the Taliban. Whether this arises from ignorance or malice I don’t know.

Everybody is “The Taliban” except for the Taliban. They’re just a bunch of poor, oppressed, helpless innocent goat herders.

585 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:53:09am

re: #568 drcordell

Fundamentalism is fundamentalism is fundamentalism. Doesn’t matter if its Islamic, Christian or Jewish.

How about my fundamental opinion of your logical thinking abilities, not to mention grasp of truths?

586 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:53:26am

re: #542 drcordell

Right. All that “peace and love” spread by Christians in the name of God. Like the “peace and love” of a 5.57mm rifle slug tearing through the head of a someone shot out of a rifle scope with a bible verse engraved on it?

Not saying Christians don’t believe in all of that. But practically our nation’s “Christian” foreign policy has been anything but peaceful. The Republicans repeatedly state as often as they can that we are a Christian nation, under God. Tying our military actions to Christianity seems more than fair using the same standard that ties Islam to Iranian actions.

So you think that, under the Republicans, the USA is a theocracy, and could start religious wars.

Although I have found some here think republicans are “homophobic, racist warmongers”…. I don’t think you will find much support for theocratic.

587 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:53:32am

re: #579 Naso Tang

You are quoting a response to me, and anyone reading it will think I said the opposite of what I did.

Well, I was responding to comments in general flying around, not to you in particular. If you were unfairly cited in my statement, then I most abjectly and humbly apologize :)

588 zora  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:54:02am

This morning as my sons and I were looking at the snow. It’s over three feet and we haven’t been out in days. Schools cancelled the rest of the week. I commented that I had cabin fever. My twelve year old looked at me and said. “Isn’t that a movie where everyone gets killed in a cabin iin the woods”. I assured him that I have no intention of getting mediveal on anyone. I just want to get out.

589 Bagua  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:54:14am

re: #542 drcordell

Right. All that “peace and love” spread by Christians in the name of God. Like the “peace and love” of a 5.57mm rifle slug tearing through the head of a someone shot out of a rifle scope with a bible verse engraved on it?

What an absurd statement. Not only showing ignorance of Christianity but also hostility towards the US military.

Not saying Christians don’t believe in all of that. But practically our nation’s “Christian” foreign policy has been anything but peaceful. The Republicans repeatedly state as often as they can that we are a Christian nation, under God. Tying our military actions to Christianity seems more than fair using the same standard that ties Islam to Iranian actions.

US foreign policy is not Christian nor is the military tied to Christianity, your views are so distorted and bigoted that it is useless to expect sensible debate.

590 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:54:32am

re: #581 EmmmieG

Scientific study done yesterday:

If you allow a bunch of middle-school aged boys access to battery packs and alligator clips and motors and fans, sooner or later they will figure out how to either blow something up or launch it.

Luckily, we managed to launch a small plastic fan across the room repeatedly. No explosions, although I don’t think I would light a match in the vicinity of their shoes.

Careful. Eventually they will learn to produce power fragmentation bombs with sugar, water, yeast and thick-walled bottles.

591 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:54:37am

re: #555 cliffster

Little Mermaid seems to have gotten old a little while back. Now it’s all princess, all the time. Standard princesses, that is. Cinderella, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty.

I’m getting the new Disney “New Orleans Jazz Princess” movie for my little granddaughters when it comes out on DVD.

592 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:54:43am

re: #584 Alouette

Everybody is “The Taliban” except for the Taliban. They’re just a bunch of poor, oppressed, helpless innocent goat herdersfuckers.

593 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:54:44am

re: #583 PhillyPretzel

TY. I am going to sit back and watch the board a little while. I just shoveled part of my walk.

Did you throw a snow ball? You can’t go outside in the snow without throwing a snow ball! :-)

594 filetandrelease  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:54:55am

Sometimes it is best to keep your mouth shut and let others think you a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

595 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:55:08am

re: #588 zora

This morning as my sons and I were looking at the snow. It’s over three feet and we haven’t been out in days. Schools cancelled the rest of the week. I commented that I had cabin fever. My twelve year old looked at me and said. “Isn’t that a movie where everyone gets killed in a cabin iin the woods”. I assured him that I have no intention of getting mediveal on anyone. I just want to get out.

“Cabin fever” at my house means I bake a whole bunch of bread.

596 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:55:13am

re: #586 Buck

So you think that, under the Republicans, the USA is a theocracy, and could start religious wars.

Although I have found some here think republicans are “homophobic, racist warmongers”… I don’t think you will find much support for theocratic.

I’m not saying we are a theocracy, but the GOP clearly has made it clear that they are a theocratic party. Their entire social platform is based entirely on social mores that they explicitly ascribe to the bible. How is that not theocratic?

597 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:55:14am

re: #547 drcordell

I couldn’t have summed you up better with one sentence if I tried.

re: #570 Dark_Falcon

Go fuck yourself.

Oh, come on…that was kind of funny. And don’t get me wrong, I enjoy Mandy.

598 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:55:50am

Y’all are squabbly this morning.

599 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:55:54am

re: #593 Dragon_Lady

Did you throw a snow ball? You can’t go outside in the snow without throwing a snow ball! :-)

If by snowball you mean a shovel load of snow, then yes, I threw a snowball.
:)

600 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:56:13am

re: #598 Killgore Trout

Y’all are squabbly this morning.

Morning, Killgore. Mind your head, and here’s your fire-resistant suit.

601 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:56:17am

re: #590 Decatur Deb

Careful. Eventually they will learn to produce power fragmentation bombs with sugar, water, yeast and thick-walled bottles.

We have proven, through repeated trials, that vinegar and baking powder will blow the stopper off of a flask.

Well proven.

Proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Proven until I finally made them hose off the back porch.

602 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:56:19am

re: #598 Killgore Trout

Y’all are squabbly this morning.

Entrancing, isn’t it?

603 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:56:21am

re: #588 zora

I understand. Blizzard warning this afternoon in Philly.

604 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:56:25am

re: #582 drcordell

On your part, dude?

You know, I’ve made arguments before here about why Iran would not use nuclear capability, why bombing them is the worst thing we could do, why the acquisition of nukes by everyone is inevitable. I’ve gotten some flak for it, and been able to stand my ground. I haven’t had to talk about the Christian religion— something that obviously a lot of people here take personally and seriously— one bit.

I do not believe the point you’re attempting to make is more than academic, and I think that if your attempt is to convince people about something about Iran, then taking a detour through Tu Quoque is the exact wrong way to do it.

605 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:56:55am

re: #598 Killgore Trout

Y’all are squabbly this morning.

I blame Bush™.
;)

606 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:56:55am

re: #598 Killgore Trout

Y’all are squabbly this morning.

It’s the snowpalooza.

607 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:04am

re: #580 drcordell

And that statement is why drawing an analogy between America and Iran with regard to religious motivation of political/military actions is possible. How can we claim to hold the moral high ground when we explicitly acknowledge that yes, we ARE fighting a holy war between Islam and Christianity?

Here I am thinking that it was about right and wrong this whole time, and not doing the work of Jesus by killing infidels.

I at no point said killing Islamist terrorists was the Lord’s work because they were Muslim. I said it was because they are terrorists and I provided multiple examples of their atrocities, all of them committed against other Muslims. But you did build a nice strawman.

608 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:04am

re: #595 Alouette

“Cabin fever” at my house means I bake a whole bunch of bread.

I like to bake cookies, but my thighs protest every time I do! But RWC takes care of them pretty quickly, he takes them to work and then his Bosses wife eats them instead of me.

609 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:30am

re: #605 Varek Raith

I blame Bush™.
;)

That one actually made me laugh.

610 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:40am

re: #588 zora

This morning as my sons and I were looking at the snow. It’s over three feet and we haven’t been out in days. Schools cancelled the rest of the week. I commented that I had cabin fever. My twelve year old looked at me and said. “Isn’t that a movie where everyone gets killed in a cabin iin the woods”. I assured him that I have no intention of getting mediveal on anyone. I just want to get out.



So don’t be vain, and don’t be whiny,
Or else, my brother, I might have to get medieval on your hiney..

Weird Al, Living in an Amish Paradise

611 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:42am

re: #570 Dark_Falcon

Go fuck yourself.

Hey, you said GAZE at #450. What happened?

612 Stuart Leviton  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:49am

Blessings to you Mandy and Falcon. Now back to my studies.

613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:49am

I LIKE POTATOES! I LIKE ‘EM FRIED, I LIKE ‘EM BOILED, I LIKE ‘EM MASHED!

POTATOES!

614 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:52am

re: #598 Killgore Trout

Y’all are squabbly this morning.

I’m handing out decafe this morning with lots of sweetener, you need some?

615 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:58:14am

re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I LIKE POTATOES! I LIKE ‘EM FRIED, I LIKE ‘EM BOILED, I LIKE ‘EM MASHED!

POTATOES!

Stuffing is better.

616 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:58:19am

re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I LIKE POTATOES! I LIKE ‘EM FRIED, I LIKE ‘EM BOILED, I LIKE ‘EM MASHED!

POTATOES!

RASCAL! Get off my keyboard, you fluffy grey furball! I told you no posting while I’m at work!

617 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:58:27am

re: #615 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Stuffing is better.

NO.

618 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:58:29am

re: #596 drcordell

I’m not saying we are a theocracy, but the GOP clearly has made it clear that they are a theocratic party. Their entire social platform is based entirely on social mores that they explicitly ascribe to the bible. How is that not theocratic?

Easy answer….Their entire social platform is NOT based entirely on social mores that they explicitly ascribe to the bible.

And you clearly don’t know what theocratic means.

619 webevintage  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:58:36am

re: #598 Killgore Trout

Y’all are squabbly this morning.

I’m more stabby today the squabbly.
Gingrich and his lying ass ways have made me so.
I’m just sick of the liars.

620 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:59:08am

re: #589 Bagua

US foreign policy is not Christian nor is the military tied to Christianity, your views are so distorted and bigoted that it is useless to expect sensible debate.

You won’t sensibly debate me because there are facts that directly dispute what you have said.

We have christian bible verses engraved on U.S. military rifle scopes.
[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

We have video of soldiers being briefed that explicitly shows them being handed bibles translated into pashtun and told that their mission is to convert people to Christianity.

We have TOP SECRET Pentagon daily briefings that feature bible verses directly on the cover of the reports!
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

So, what was that you said again? The military isn’t tied to Christianity?

621 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:59:22am

re: #552 darthstar

I was equating extremist Christians with extremist Muslims. It’s not hate speech, it’s a fair comparison. Don’t be so damned insecure.

IMHO it’s a valid opinion (i.e. not offensive because it was not intended to offend) but an opinion unsupported by statistics. The death tally as a direct result of actions by the two groups is a study in contrasts…

622 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:59:28am

re: #617 Varek Raith

NO.

Heretic. Scientific studies have proven that stuffing is a better medium for gravy distribution.

623 filetandrelease  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:59:36am

re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I LIKE POTATOES! I LIKE ‘EM FRIED, I LIKE ‘EM BOILED, I LIKE ‘EM MASHED!

POTATOES!

On the grill with garlic, herbs, butter and veggies. (wrapped in aluminum.)

624 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:00:00am

re: #607 Dark_Falcon

I at no point said killing Islamist terrorists was the Lord’s work because they were Muslim. I said it was because they are terrorists and I provided multiple examples of their atrocities, all of them committed against other Muslims. But you did build a nice strawman.

brb lunch

625 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:00:08am

re: #622 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Heretic. Scientific studies have proven that stuffing is a better medium for gravy distribution.

What are you, COINTELPRO or something? Everybody knows that mashed potatoes are far superior. You can make the little dip in the middle with your spoon!

626 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:00:17am

re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I LIKE POTATOES! I LIKE ‘EM FRIED, I LIKE ‘EM BOILED, I LIKE ‘EM MASHED!

POTATOES!

Seems like you’ll get them all around here, baked, friend and boiled. Also char broiled, vaporized and electrocuted. Good Morning Happy Wednesday! :-)

627 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:00:36am

Google releases a better Twitter. BUZZ, is part of gmail.

628 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:01:05am

Yeeesh, this is why I try so very hard to not argue about religion. Can you say ‘INSTA-PERMA BAN’?
:)

629 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:01:14am

re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I LIKE POTATOES! I LIKE ‘EM FRIED, I LIKE ‘EM BOILED, I LIKE ‘EM MASHED!

POTATOES!

I dug my potato beds in the garden yesterday. Still might to too early for planting. I’ll never buy corporate spuds again. Big Potato is ripping us off!

630 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:01:30am

re: #623 filetandrelease

On the grill with garlic, herbs, butter and veggies. (wrapped in aluminum.)

You guys are making me hungry!

631 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:01:33am

re: #596 drcordell

I’m not saying we are a theocracy, but the GOP clearly has made it clear that they are a theocratic party. Their entire social platform is based entirely on social mores that they explicitly ascribe to the bible. How is that not theocratic?

Identifying the source of one’s social mores and getting the state involved in religion (or religion involved in the state) are two different things. I may or may not believe in the death penalty based on my religious background. That does not necessarily mean that I intend to try to breach the separation of church and state.

I, for one, am more comfortable understanding where a person is coming from than being left worried that they’re making it up as they go along…

632 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:01:33am

Too early for all this heaviness. At least here on the left coast.

Plus, someone said something wise just the other day:

… take a breath or two, take a step back, and cool things out, if you care about making the discourse at LGF the best on the web

633 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:01:34am

re: #620 drcordell

I give up.

634 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:02:02am

I’m eating a brownie.

635 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:02:04am

re: #615 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Too much dead bird innit…

636 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:02:24am

re: #620 drcordell

data is not the plural of anecdote

637 filetandrelease  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:02:50am

Some people just love hanging out on the bottom 10.

638 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:03:02am

re: #611 Silvergirl

Hey, you said GAZE at #450. What happened?

I got ticked off. Sorry about that.

639 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:03:06am

re: #631 Aceofwhat?

The problem with knowing where a person is coming from is that they may just be faking it every step of the way.

I’ve found no correlation between religion and anything else. I’ve never found there’s any way to judge a person by anything but the opinions of others and my own interaction with them.

640 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:03:35am

re: #634 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’m eating a brownie.

RWC would be proud of you, he’s a serious chocoholic!

641 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:03:35am

re: #633 Obdicut

I give up.

Sometimes it’s Just Not Worth It (tm).

642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:03:37am

re: #619 webevintage

I’m more stabby today the squabbly.
Gingrich and his lying ass ways have made me so.
I’m just sick of the liars.

Uh… the whole town of Washington’d have to be cleaned out.

Wait! Just Gingrich?

643 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:03:38am

re: #625 thedopefishlives

What are you, COINTELPRO or something? Everybody knows that mashed potatoes are far superior. You can make the little dip in the middle with your spoon!

Which produces a higher concentration of gravy in a given area, not consistent gravy allocation throughout the side dish. You’re just letting your feelings getting in the way of logic. I would expect that from someone who crafts giant paper mache potatoes and shows up at anti-stuffing rallies.

644 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:03:42am

re: #633 Obdicut

I give up.

Wise man

645 keloyd  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:04:04am

I object to WHICH Bible verses went on the guns. There are perfectly good Pulp Fiction “I will smite thee with furious anger…” verses and they picked all the kumbaya fufu ones.

646 albusteve  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:04:12am

re: #619 webevintage

I’m more stabby today the squabbly.
Gingrich and his lying ass ways have made me so.
I’m just sick of the liars.

just now?…you’ve been lied to your whole life…politics is not about truth, it’s about power…hello?

647 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:04:41am

re: #643 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Which produces a higher concentration of gravy in a given area, not consistent gravy allocation throughout the side dish. You’re just letting your feelings getting in the way of logic. I would expect that from someone who crafts giant paper mache potatoes and shows up at anti-stuffing rallies.

But it’s impossible for the gravy to be evenly distributed by gravity. It has to be an inside job. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

648 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:04:43am

Confucius says, ‘Man who stand on toilet is high on pot’.

649 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:04:44am

re: #643 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I use green beans as gravy… just pile ‘em on top.

Mmmm.

650 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:04:45am

re: #469 Bagua

Alex Jones is a neo-Nutzi. His political opinions are usually the most extreme version possible of the exact opposite of whoever is in power at any given moment. In all cases, elected officials are merely puppets of The Insidious Shadow Entity That Has Secretly Run Everything For Hundreds Of Years. Illuminati, Freemasons, Knights Templar, you name it, they run it.

I vacillate between thinking that he’s either (A) genuinely a paranoid crazy who really does believe the nonsense he spews, including (and maybe even especially) the self-contradictory parts, or (B) he’s a cynic who has found a niche market of paranoid, credulous, disaffected conspiracy theorists and is riding the crazy train all the way to the bank.

Hell, who knows… maybe he’s both.

651 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:04:58am

re: #228 darthstar

I liked Cats…didn’t want to see Rent (just didn’t interest me). But a good musical is always fun.

Ooh…it’s bright enough outside to run with the dogs now. Back in a half hour.

I really liked Rent, which surprised me a bit. Only seen the movie, though.

652 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:01am

re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I LIKE POTATOES! I LIKE ‘EM FRIED, I LIKE ‘EM BOILED, I LIKE ‘EM MASHED!

POTATOES!

Gee…you don’t treat them very well for someone who likes ‘em so much.

653 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:05am

re: #645 keloyd

I object to WHICH Bible verses went on the guns. There are perfectly good Pulp Fiction “I will smite thee with furious anger…” verses and they picked all the kumbaya fufu ones.

CONSULT THE BOOK OF ARMAMENTS!

654 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:09am

re: #632 Silvergirl

Too early for all this heaviness. At least here on the left coast.

Plus, someone said something wise just the other day:

Thank you Silvergirl, have a great day!

655 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:10am

re: #612 Stuart Leviton

Blessings to you Mandy and Falcon. Now back to my studies.

Study hard!

656 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:14am

re: #645 keloyd

(that’s a made up verse)…

657 Bagua  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:20am

re: #620 drcordell

You won’t sensibly debate me because there are facts that directly dispute what you have said.

We have christian bible verses engraved on U.S. military rifle scopes.
[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

It is impossible to “sensible debate” someone who is making ridiculous statements that show no understanding and no moral compass. You are making false equivalencies. The soldiers using those scopes were unaware of the coded marking on their scopes, they are also deployed to fight evil under an UN mandate, not to spread terrorism or Christianity.

We have video of soldiers being briefed that explicitly shows them being handed bibles translated into pashtun and told that their mission is to convert people to Christianity.

We have TOP SECRET Pentagon daily briefings that feature bible verses directly on the cover of the reports!
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]


So, what was that you said again? The military isn’t tied to Christianity?

More absurd nonsense. You have an irrational hatred of Christianity and the United States.

658 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:20am

re: #568 drcordell

Fundamentalism is fundamentalism is fundamentalism. Doesn’t matter if its Islamic, Christian or Jewish.

You are fundamentally wrong.

659 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:28am

If you make your garlic mashed potatoes properly, you know with real roasted garlic and not some cheesy granulated stuff, you don’t need gravy.

660 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:39am

re: #652 darthstar

Gee…you don’t treat them very well for someone who likes ‘em so much.

I nuke ‘em, as well.
:evilgrin:

661 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:48am

re: #648 Varek Raith

Confucius says, ‘Man who stand on toilet is high on pot’.

Man who go to bed with itchy butt; wake up with stinky finger.

662 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:06:02am

re: #659 EmmmieG

If you make your garlic mashed potatoes properly, you know with real roasted garlic and not some cheesy granulated stuff, you don’t need gravy.

…Although cheesy garlic mashed potatoes are also really really good…

663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:06:44am

re: #659 EmmmieG

1/2 cup of sour cream instead of milk.

664 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:06:45am

re: #647 thedopefishlives

But it’s impossible for the gravy to be evenly distributed by gravity. It has to be an inside job. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

Proper gravy distribution is a product of intelligent design.

665 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:07:19am

re: #628 Varek Raith

Yeeesh, this is why I try so very hard to not argue about religion. Can you say ‘INSTA-PERMA BAN’?
:)

re: #632 Silvergirl

Too early for all this heaviness. At least here on the left coast.

Plus, someone said something wise just the other day:

For the subject matter, this AM is actually fairly civilized. Might be time-of-day.

666 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:07:21am

re: #663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

1/2 cup of sour cream instead of milk.

Fresh chives from the garden.

667 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:07:42am

re: #650 negativ

Alex Jones is a neo-Nutzi. His political opinions are usually the most extreme version possible of the exact opposite of whoever is in power at any given moment. In all cases, elected officials are merely puppets of The Insidious Shadow Entity That Has Secretly Run Everything For Hundreds Of Years. Illuminati, Freemasons, Knights Templar, you name it, they run it.

I vacillate between thinking that he’s either (A) genuinely a paranoid crazy who really does believe the nonsense he spews, including (and maybe even especially) the self-contradictory parts, or (B) he’s a cynic who has found a niche market of paranoid, credulous, disaffected conspiracy theorists and is riding the crazy train all the way to the bank.

Hell, who knows… maybe he’s both.

Both. Remember how much he reviled Pres. Bush? (Someone told me the other day that he was the same with Clinton but I didn’t know about him back then.)

668 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:07:55am

re: #645 keloyd

I object to WHICH Bible verses went on the guns. There are perfectly good Pulp Fiction “I will smite thee with furious anger…” verses and they picked all the kumbaya fufu ones.

Which tells you most of what you need to know about the people who put them there. They are Christians and they emphasize the “do right and and have faith” parts of the Bible, not the bloody parts drcordell might dwell on.

669 albusteve  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:07:57am

I like pots and pans

670 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:08:06am

re: #664 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Proper gravy distribution is a product of intelligent design.

Aligot is the top of the cheese-potato evolutionary food-chain.

671 Professor Chaos  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:08:17am

re: #664 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Proper gravy distribution is a product of intelligent design.

Bullshit. There are no “gaps” in the gravy record. That talking point was debunked long ago.

672 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:08:32am

re: #317 laZardo

It’s all Israel’s fault.

/

//cannot seriously believe that there are people that…seriously believe that.

Oh, there are. There are.

673 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:08:36am

re: #669 albusteve

I like pots and pans

I love lamp.

674 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:08:36am

re: #657 Bagua

More absurd nonsense. You have an irrational hatred of Christianity and the United States.

Notice how he’s citing two Prog sites?

675 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:08:40am

re: #648 Varek Raith

Confucius says, ‘Man who stand on toilet is high on pot’.

Varek I said it before and I’ll say it again, you are my hero today! :-)

676 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:08:42am

Reporter to John McKay (Bucs first coach): So, what do you think of your teams execution?

McKay: I’m all for it.

(This is a real quote)

677 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:09:27am

re: #323 Mad Al-Jaffee

She’s awesome. Most people don’t realize that she’s not just a *ahem* pretty face. She’s a very talented singer and songwriter. Check out her original version of “I’ll Always Love You” sometime.

I love Dolly Parton.

678 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:09:33am

Have you ever been about to do something, and you stop and look, and wonder if you are be foolish.

One of the boys blew out the speaker on the snap circuit kit. (He was freestyling, and not following the instructions.) I’m about to order a replacement.

Should I do this? It’s the speaker. What if I hide the buzzer IC, and allow allow them the music IC?

679 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:09:37am

re: #660 Varek Raith

I nuke ‘em, as well.
:evilgrin:

Don’t say “nuke”. That’s how all this started.

680 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:10:53am

re: #671 Girth

Bullshit. There are no “gaps” in the gravy record. That talking point was debunked long ago.

Sigh. Where are the transition gravies? I see no cases of Au Jus turning into Brown Gravy, or Mushroom gravy evolving into a Chicken gravy. WHERE ARE THE TRANSITIONS!?

681 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:11:05am

re: #663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

1/2 cup of sour cream instead of milk.

I mash potatoes thusly(when I’m feeling fancy):
butter, milk, and egg yolk…mash well, then put into a pastry bag and make little spirals on a baking sheet. Place in 350 degree oven for about 8 to 10 minutes, then plate next to meat and veggies.

682 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:11:22am

re: #679 Decatur Deb

Awww…. just jump in the fridge… all will be well.

683 Bagua  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:11:25am

re: #674 MandyManners

Notice how he’s citing two Prog sites?

I didn’t even check his sources as his views are so disconnected from reality. By his reasoning, George Bush and Barack Obama are the same because they are both Presidents, nay, they are identical because they both use the word ‘the’ in a speech. It is a waste of time to debate on those terms.

684 webevintage  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:11:34am

re: #642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Uh… the whole town of Washington’d have to be cleaned out.

Wait! Just Gingrich?

He’s just the one that is annoying me at this specific moment.
In an effort to explain why Holder is the worstest AG EVAH and how the Christmas Panty Bomber should not have been taken by the FBI (blahblahblahblah) Jon Stewart pointed out that the Obama Administration did exactly what the Bush administration did with Richard Reid and to that Newt replied “but He was an American citizen”.

I don’t care about “talking points” and being hypocrites to win political points/scare the American people, but the least they could do is be honest and factual.

685 albusteve  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:11:35am

re: #679 Decatur Deb

Don’t say “nuke”. That’s how all this started.

“hail to the king baby”
Duke Nukem

686 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:11:50am

re: #680 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sigh. Where are the transition gravies? I see no cases of Au Jus turning into Brown Gravy, or Mushroom gravy evolving into a Chicken gravy. WHERE ARE THE TRANSITIONS!?

I eated them. Therefore, they died out before they had a chance to be properly fossilized.

687 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:11:57am

Yeah! Gravy Eeevilution Debate!
:D

688 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:12:01am

re: #669 albusteve

I like pots and pans

That really chafes my dish.

689 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:12:05am

re: #682 lawhawk

Awww… just jump in the fridge… all will be well.

I ducked and covered a hundred comments ago.

690 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:12:20am

re: #688 darthstar

That really chafes my dish.

Great, now a pun thread. That’ll blow the lid off of it.

691 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:12:30am

re: #596 drcordell

I’m not saying we are a theocracy, but the GOP clearly has made it clear that they are a theocratic party. Their entire social platform is based entirely on social mores that they explicitly ascribe to the bible. How is that not theocratic?

We have plenty of discussions here about just that. However when you again use your boundless ability to leap to conclusions that are linked mainly with words (your words) like “entire”, “entirely”, “explicitly”, and the bible, then one has to wonder if you aren’t just trolling.

692 albusteve  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:12:55am

re: #690 thedopefishlives

Great, now a pun thread. That’ll blow the lid off of it.

get a handle on it

693 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:13:15am

re: #690 thedopefishlives

Great, now a pun thread. That’ll blow the lid off of it.

That’s a crock.

694 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:13:28am

re: #690 thedopefishlives

Great, now a pun thread. That’ll blow the lid off of it.

If you can put stock in those kinds of thread.

695 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:13:48am

Oh, great, out of the frying pan and into the fire.

696 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:03am

re: #681 darthstar

I mash potatoes thusly(when I’m feeling fancy):
butter, milk, and egg yolk…mash well, then put into a pastry bag and make little spirals on a baking sheet. Place in 350 degree oven for about 8 to 10 minutes, then plate next to meat and veggies.

Have you ever tried Mashed Potato pancakes? My mom used to make them for me when I was a kid, I love em!

697 jaunte  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:04am

re: #694 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Revere ware proves that we are a theocracy.

698 albusteve  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:12am

“it’s down to you and me, you one eyed freak”
Duke Nukem

699 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:17am

re: #639 Obdicut

The problem with knowing where a person is coming from is that they may just be faking it every step of the way.

I’ve found no correlation between religion and anything else. I’ve never found there’s any way to judge a person by anything but the opinions of others and my own interaction with them.

well said

700 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:20am

re: #696 Dragon_Lady

Have you ever tried Mashed Potato pancakes? My mom used to make them for me when I was a kid, I love em!

Okay, NOW you’re making me hungry.

701 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:25am

re: #676 Cannadian Club Akbar

My favorite baseball quotes…

“What makes a great baseball manager?”
“Great players.”

702 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:26am

re: #690 thedopefishlives

Great, now a pun thread. That’ll blow the lid off of it.

This place has been simmering all morning.

703 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:34am

re: #373 MandyManners

I thought Jordan had a treaty with Israel.

They do. Since 94.

704 Slap  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:49am

re: #333 cliffster

I’ve always thought her version was superior by far. Much stronger in passion, even if the vocals aren’t as powerfuloverly laden with gratuitous strings of hey-look-what-i-can-do oversquiggled vocalese on every syllable.

FTFY.

705 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:15:18am

This thread proves evolution:
Anger-wise ass-a couple funnies-pun:)

706 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:15:20am

re: #702 darthstar

This place has been simmering all morning.

Not really, just roasting some tripe.

707 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:15:22am

re: #698 albusteve

“it’s down to you and me, you one eyed freak”
Duke Nukem

Now I’ve seen everything… albusteve quoting Duke Nukem…
:)

708 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:15:37am

re: #702 darthstar

This place has been simmering all morning.

Good time to wok the dog.

709 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:15:48am

re: #375 MandyManners

Would MAD work with ShortShit and the Mullahs?

I hope so. My hunch and hope is that the mad mullahs are a lot less apocalyptic than they’d like to project.

710 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:15:58am

re: #706 Naso Tang

Not really, just roasting some tripe.

Owww!!!

711 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:16:07am

re: #705 Cannadian Club Akbar

This thread proves evolution:
Anger-wise ass-a couple funnies-pun:)

Someone could probably write a scholarly academic paper on the subject of Internet forums like this one.

712 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:16:20am

re: #708 Decatur Deb

Good time to wok the dog.

Wok??? That’s terrible!
///:P

713 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:16:36am

re: #704 Slap

you suck at FTFY

714 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:16:36am

re: #698 albusteve

“it’s down to you and me, you one eyed freak”
Duke Nukem

all Duke Nukem quotes get updings for sheer nostalgic purposes.

715 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:16:38am

re: #706 Naso Tang

Not really, just roasting some tripe.

Well, seeing as how my troll grill is buried under the snow….

716 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:16:43am

re: #712 Varek Raith

Wok??? That’s terrible!
///:P

Kind of the pot calling the kettle black, eh?

717 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:17:02am

re: #708 Decatur Deb

Good time to wok the dog.

Isn’t that what they do in Korea?

718 albusteve  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:17:04am

re: #707 Varek Raith

Now I’ve seen everything… albusteve quoting Duke Nukem…
:)

“I’m gonna put the smack dab on your ass”
Duke Nukem

719 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:17:14am

re: #715 Dark_Falcon

Well, seeing as how my troll grill is buried under the snow…

It’s alright, the troll barbecue was nice and hot early this morning. Flavor of the day is my favorite; smoky sweet hickory barbecue sauce.

720 oldegeezr  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:17:20am

re: #586 Buck

Maybe the GOP not so much… but how about those Tea Baggers, at their convention last week?

Joseph Farah, of World Net Daily, gave one hell of a stem winder of a keynote speech, calling for a true theocracy in America.

Now if the GOP starts to embrace the Tea Baggers and all their thistles and bad seeds…?
Oh well…!

721 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:17:37am

re: #708 Decatur Deb

Good time to wok the dog.

What is a wok?
Somefin you fwow at a wabbit.

722 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:17:41am

re: #409 drcordell

Care to explain why the Soviet Union didn’t nuke us during the Cold War? Remember, they were the Godless Communists hellbent on a first-strike and the destruction of the world?

I remember those days.

723 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:18:20am

re: #697 jaunte

Revere ware proves that we are a theocracy.

What a crock.

724 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:18:36am

re: #717 Dragon_Lady

Isn’t that what they do in Korea?

Supposedly happened to a buddy’s retriever near Yongsan.

725 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:18:47am

re: #722 SanFranciscoZionist

Wasn’t ‘cause they knew we’d kill them back?

726 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:19:01am

re: #715 Dark_Falcon

Well, seeing as how my troll grill is buried under the snow…

You can borrow this…

727 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:19:06am

re: #419 Naso Tang

That is a stupid statement. They have a death wish, as is spoken in every opening statement by their little leader, but on their terms.

It’s not a stupid statement, although it may be an incorrect one.

728 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:19:13am

re: #700 thedopefishlives

Okay, NOW you’re making me hungry.

I got the recipe, I make them when ever I can. Love em, love, love em! Noms, noms!

729 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:19:14am

re: #703 SanFranciscoZionist

This is what I see:

re: #373 MandyManners

I thought Jordan had a treaty with Israel.


They do. Since 94.

powerfuloverly laden with gratuitous strings of hey-look-what-i-can-do oversquiggled vocalese on every syllable.

FTFY.

730 Slap  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:19:18am

re: #713 cliffster

Apparently. My strikethru skills need serious work.

731 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:20:12am

re: #709 SanFranciscoZionist

I hope so. My hunch and hope is that the mad mullahs are a lot less apocalyptic than they’d like to project.

I hope but, I won’t bet any money on it.

732 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:20:40am

re: #429 Buck

The difference is that they have used suicide human weapons before. Used their population as cannon fodder in the past. GWB hasn’t.

The Iranians have paid Arab suicide bombers, but so far have not produced their own. I think that’s significant.

733 albusteve  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:21:10am

“you’re an inspiration for birth control”
Duke Nukem

734 Professor Chaos  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:21:19am

re: #680 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sigh. Where are the transition gravies? I see no cases of Au Jus turning into Brown Gravy, or Mushroom gravy evolving into a Chicken gravy. WHERE ARE THE TRANSITIONS!?

[Link: www.tastebook.com…]

Note: The consistency falls in the middle between a cream gravy and an au jus.

735 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:21:29am

re: #713 cliffster

you suck at FTFY

No. 704 doesn’t exist for me. See my No. 729.

736 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:21:38am

re: #726 Varek Raith

You can borrow this…

[Video]

No thanks, we’ve seen too many flame tanks in action on LGF lately. What game is that from, though?

737 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:21:51am

re: #718 albusteve

“I’m gonna put the smack dab on your ass”
Duke Nukem

In bed?

738 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:22:01am

Here we go again! Wheres those donuts?

739 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:22:02am

re: #736 Dark_Falcon

No thanks, we’ve seen too many flame tanks in action on LGF lately. What game is that from, though?

Command and Conquer. Brilliant.

740 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:22:05am

I am very happy my order from amazon just came. A new pyrex 1 quart measuring cup and a set of stainless steel measuring spoon and cup set. Thank you again Charles for having that amazon link on your site.

741 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:22:09am

re: #733 albusteve

“you’re an inspiration for birth control”
Duke Nukem

742 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:23:39am

Well now you’ll just have to spoon up some more jokes, won’t you!

743 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:23:58am

re: #736 Dark_Falcon

No thanks, we’ve seen too many flame tanks in action on LGF lately. What game is that from, though?

Command & Conquer: Tiberian Dawn

744 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:24:09am

re: #735 MandyManners

No. 704 doesn’t exist for me. See my No. 729.

hehe. nice work

745 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:25:04am

re: #742 Dragon_Lady

LOL.

746 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:25:25am

re: #742 Dragon_Lady

Well now you’ll just have to spoon up some more jokes, won’t you!

Yeah, fork ‘em on over.

747 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:26:13am

re: #732 SanFranciscoZionist

The Iranians have paid Arab suicide bombers, but so far have not produced their own. I think that’s significant.

Huh?

Iran has announced that it is actively recruiting members of public to become suicide bombers, provides training camps across country for ‘suicide column’.

Iran: We have 70000 suicide bombers ready to strike Israel

World Islamic Organization’s Headquarters for Remembering the Shahids [Martyrs] — says the volunteers want to carry out “martyrdom operations to liberate Islamic lands,” according to a report broadcast by Al-Arabiya TV and translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI.

You can search for the links, and the hundreds of others.

748 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:26:30am

Don’t forget the mashed potato’s!

749 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:26:33am

Check out this story. Someone took a funny jab at the Tea Party crowd:

“Tea Bag The Libs Before They Tea Bag YOU!”

750 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:26:37am

re: #742 Dragon_Lady

Well now you’ll just have to spoon up some more jokes, won’t you!

I asked you to leave the cutlery.

751 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:27:02am

re: #744 cliffster

hehe. nice work

HA!

752 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:27:36am

Cai’nt cut nuthin with’n no spoon! :P

753 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:28:23am

re: #749 Dark_Falcon

Check out this story. Someone took a funny jab at the Tea Party crowd:

“Tea Bag The Libs Before They Tea Bag YOU!”

Ahahahaha!
:)

754 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:28:32am

re: #47 Dragon_Lady

Cai’nt cut nuthin with’n no spoon! :P

Can if’n its a SPORK!

755 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:29:07am

re: #754 sattv4u2

Can if’n its a SPORK!

Who you callin a spork?

756 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:29:54am

re: #50 Dragon_Lady

Who you callin a spork?

Coulda been worse


I coulda called you a Knork!

757 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:30:27am

Good thing I don’t fly, they closed Dulles airport for 24 hours…

758 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:30:41am

re: #755 Dragon_Lady

A spork is a combination of a fork and spoon in one utensil.

759 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:30:42am

re: #749 Dark_Falcon

I was reading the Sunday morning open thread and am curious, who the heck is this BMS that I am supposed to be missing?

760 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:30:50am

re: #755 Dragon_Lady

Who you callin a spork?

I’m calling you a cork, cause its too early to be drinking.

/nonsensical but fun

761 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:31:07am

re: #749 Dark_Falcon

Check out this story. Someone took a funny jab at the Tea Party crowd:

“Tea Bag The Libs Before They Tea Bag YOU!”

A “juvenile dig” in a comic book? Well, I nevah….

762 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:31:47am

re: #759 Reginald Perrin

I was reading the Sunday morning open thread and am curious, who the heck is this BMS that I am supposed to be missing?

What do you mean? I don’t remember any such comment.

763 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:31:55am

Yeah ya could I guess, bu then I don know what thaut is! Is that a fight’n word? Is don like fight’n words, now ya hear? :P

764 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:31:56am

re: #757 Varek Raith

We will be hearing of more closings during the afternoon.

765 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:32:38am

re: #761 Decatur Deb

A “juvenile dig” in a comic book? Well, I nevah…

The funny part is that there have been actual signs with words such as that.

766 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:32:48am

re: #747 Buck

Huh?

Iran has announced that it is actively recruiting members of public to become suicide bombers, provides training camps across country for ‘suicide column’.

Iran: We have 70000 suicide bombers ready to strike Israel

World Islamic Organization’s Headquarters for Remembering the Shahids [Martyrs] — says the volunteers want to carry out “martyrdom operations to liberate Islamic lands,” according to a report broadcast by Al-Arabiya TV and translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI.

You can search for the links, and the hundreds of others.

That’s what they’re saying, not what they’ve done. Both need to be taken into account.

767 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:33:39am

re: #758 PhillyPretzel

A spork is a combination of a fork and spoon in one utensil.

Yeah I got that, I is jus be’un silly. I like laughter rather than fight’n.

768 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:34:40am

re: #765 Dark_Falcon

The funny part is that there have been actual signs with words such as that.

That sigh in the comic was a real sign at a TP protests…
:D

769 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:34:45am

re: #762 Dark_Falcon

this one

770 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:34:51am

re: #767 Dragon_Lady

And screwin’. Don’t forget the screwin’!

771 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:34:56am

And here’s a jaw-dropping story out of Brazil:

Controversy Surrounds 7-Year-Old Rio Carnival Samba Queen

772 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:35:46am

re: #760 Dark_Falcon

I’m calling you a cork, cause its too early to be drinking.

/nonsensical but fun

Works for me! Live, laugh, love, that’s my motto!

773 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:36:04am

re: #767 Dragon_Lady

It is better to laugh than to cry or fight.

774 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:36:32am

re: #771 Dark_Falcon

And here’s a jaw-dropping story out of Brazil:

Controversy Surrounds 7-Year-Old Rio Carnival Samba Queen

If even Rio thinks it’s inappropriate, its inappropriate.

775 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:36:47am

re: #770 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And screwin’. Don’t forget the screwin’!

Yeah, RWC’s real big on that one! Ooops TMI? Sorry!

776 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:37:01am

re: #764 PhillyPretzel

We will be hearing of more closings during the afternoon.

Yep, your in Philly, right? I’m in Northern Va. Sigh, they’re telling me 10 to 15” instead of the earlier forecast of 4-8”…Wheee!

777 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:37:22am

re: #769 Reginald Perrin

this one

BSM is my shorthand for buzzsawmonkey. I was responding to iceweasel’s comment, I hope I didn’t come across as trying to put words in your mouth, as that was not my intention.

778 darthstar  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:37:28am

re: #749 Dark_Falcon

Check out this story. Someone took a funny jab at the Tea Party crowd:

“Tea Bag The Libs Before They Tea Bag YOU!”

Poor Teabaggers…they’re so insecure they can’t even handle that?

779 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:38:08am
780 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:38:36am

re: #778 darthstar

Poor Teabaggers…they’re so insecure they can’t even handle that?

You’d think they’d be more worried about the organizers of their protests… :/

781 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:39:02am
782 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:39:16am

re: #776 Varek Raith

For now it is fun. I have to shovel that #$@ stuff.

783 filetandrelease  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:40:09am

re: #781 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It must have been bad for him to get the boot.

784 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:40:52am

re: #783 filetandrelease

It was. Though, that’s all I’ll say.

785 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:41:01am

re: #778 darthstar

Poor Teabaggers…they’re so insecure they can’t even handle that?

It’s just the usual TeaBag Perpetual Outrage Machine. The screams about being mocked are simply to keep the followers keyed up. If their outrage faded, some of them would realize just how crazy their leadership is.

786 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:41:20am

re: #783 filetandrelease

If I were a Carpenter? I’d be Richard.

787 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:41:46am

re: #786 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If I were a Carpenter? I’d be Richard.

Well ,, you’re halfway there

You ARE a “DICK”!!!

/

788 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:41:48am

re: #781 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

heh… that rhymed…

789 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:42:15am

re: #777 Dark_Falcon

No, it’s nothing like that at all, I was taken by surprise to hear I was mentioned because I have been keeping a very low profile here so I would not be a nuisance and attract unwanted attention from the stalkers. To be honest, I don’t even remember BSM.
I sent you an email to explain what is currently coming down unseen in the shadows.

790 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:42:26am

re: #786 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If I were a Carpenter? I’d be Richard.

I’d rather be Karen. What a voice she had! I still miss her singing…

791 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:42:33am

re: #786 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If I were a Carpenter? I’d be Richard.

Because “I’M NOT KAREN!”

get it?

792 filetandrelease  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:42:45am

re: #786 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then.

793 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:42:47am

Christian teacher ‘forced out’ after complaining Muslim pupils praised 9/11 hijackers ‘as heroes’

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

794 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:42:57am

re: #788 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

heh… that rhymed…

You’re a poet
and you don’t even know it

You can make a ryhme
Any ole time!

795 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:43:13am

re: #790 Dragon_Lady

They just sold her house after all these years.

No kitchen…

796 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:43:16am

re: #791 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Because “I’M NOT KAREN!”

get it?

*WHACK!*

797 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:43:23am

re: #781 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I miss the monkey that I knew. I don’t miss the one that started flinging poo.

Quite concur.

798 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:43:29am

re: #794 sattv4u2

You’re a poet
and you don’t even know it

You can make a ryhme
Any ole time!

Get worse, every verse.

799 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:44:00am

re: #789 Reginald Perrin

No, it’s nothing like that at all, I was taken by surprise to hear I was mentioned because I have been keeping a very low profile here so I would not be a nuisance and attract unwanted attention from the stalkers. To be honest, I don’t even remember BSM.
I sent you an email to explain what is currently coming down unseen in the shadows.

I’ll check into it.

800 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:44:28am

re: #782 PhillyPretzel

For now it is fun. I have to shovel that #$@ stuff.

Poor baby… throw a snow ball! Make a snow man! That should lighten up the mood!

801 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:45:32am

Work to do. BBL

802 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:45:38am

re: #789 Reginald Perrin

OOOoooh!

803 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:46:35am

re: #800 Dragon_Lady

What’s the difference between a snow-man and a snow-woman?
Snow balls.

804 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:46:43am

re: #795 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They just sold her house after all these years.

No kitchen…

Did you see the documentary they did on her? It’s no wonder she wouldn’t eat! Richard wouldn’t let her breath!

805 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:47:11am

re: #803 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What’s the difference between a snow-man and a snow-woman?
Snow balls.

FBV I love your humor!

806 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:47:41am

re: #803 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What’s the difference between a snow-man and a snow-woman?
Snow balls.

Teabagging!

807 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:48:08am

re: #766 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s what they’re saying, not what they’ve done. Both need to be taken into account.

Not for the discussion we were having. A government who makes those sort of announcements sets itself apart from a government that can lay claim to care about the people.

In this case we were discussing the possible Iranian governments use of atomic/nuclear bombs with the belief that the 12th Iman would save them from repercussions. And comparing that to GWB’s belief in the 2nd coming of Christ.

In that discussion you need to listen and note what they SAY, because if you wait until they DO, it is too late.

808 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:48:09am

re: #800 Dragon_Lady

I am happy I got my order from amazon.

809 freetoken  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:48:29am

re: #803 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There’s a Calvin and Hobbes cartoon to that effect…

810 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:48:34am

re: #788 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

heh… that rhymed…

Well… not anymore.

Sorry, Charles. Was even careful about the way I wrote that.

811 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:48:51am

re: #803 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What’s the difference between a snow-man and a snow-woman?
Snow balls.

Why was the snowman smiling?

He heard the snowblower was on it’s way!

812 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:48:59am

re: #802 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Actually it’s more like a comedy, you have to remember we are talking about the intellectual midgets at the stalker blog.

813 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:49:39am

Gotta go make the cash… bbl

814 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:49:42am

re: #808 PhillyPretzel

I am happy I got my order from amazon.

I’m happy you’re happy! Upding for happiness! :-)

815 ryannon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:50:37am

re: #786 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If I were a Carpenter? I’d be Richard.

And you were a Lady?

816 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:51:39am

re: #810 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well… not anymore.

Sorry, Charles. Was even careful about the way I wrote that.

click-click-boom!

817 srb1976  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:52:32am

Morning again! Children dropped off, laundry project underway….now if I could just find soemplace to drop off better half to keep HIM out of my hair……

818 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:53:25am

re: #817 srb1976

Morning again! Children dropped off, laundry project underway…now if I could just find soemplace to drop off better half to keep HIM out of my hair…

*Don’t say strip bar, don’t say strip bar…*
…Dammit!
/:)

819 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:53:27am

re: #817 srb1976

Morning again! Children dropped off, laundry project underway…now if I could just find soemplace to drop off better half to keep HIM out of my hair

SOLUTION


shave your head!

820 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:54:03am

re: #818 Varek Raith

gmta

821 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:54:19am

re: #799 Dark_Falcon

I’ll check into it.

Reply sent.

822 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:55:30am

re: #821 Dark_Falcon

I trust your store’s audit went well?

823 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:56:28am

re: #822 Varek Raith

I trust your store’s audit went well?

Yes, it went just fine. We passed with a comfortable margin.

824 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:56:37am

Oooh, I just hit 900 on my Karma!!! Neato!

825 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:56:54am

re: #823 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it went just fine. We passed with a comfortable margin.

Awesome.

826 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:57:23am

re: #823 Dark_Falcon

Yes, it went just fine. We passed with a comfortable margin.

What kind of store? If you don’t mind my asking…

827 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:58:32am

re: #824 Dragon_Lady

Oooh, I just hit 900 on my Karma!!! Neato!

Only need 10x that and then I can make a ‘ITS OVER 9000!11!’ joke!
:)

828 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:00:03am

re: #824 Dragon_Lady

Oooh, I just hit 900 on my Karma!!! Neato!

I think you get a toaster at 1,000!

(gold watch at 50K)

829 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:00:08am
830 freetoken  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:00:14am
831 srb1976  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:02:21am

re: #818 Varek Raith

*Don’t say strip bar, don’t say strip bar…*
…Dammit!
/:)

I almost wish he would, but I can’t afford it right now…..
That’s ok, his mom is on her way down and I am taking her (not him) out to lunch = )

832 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:02:31am

re: #657 Bagua

More absurd nonsense. You have an irrational hatred of Christianity and the United States.

Just as I expected. You simply ignore the entirety of my post and claim that it’s not true. Then you label me someone who “hates” the U.S. simply because you can’t come up with a better argument.

833 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:02:39am

re: #828 sattv4u2

I think you get a toaster at 1,000!

(gold watch at 50K)

I could use a new one! :-) Toaster that is, I have a gold watch already. ;P

834 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:02:59am

re: #828 sattv4u2

I got a long way to go.

835 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:03:08am

re: #832 drcordell

Please don’t start it up again, for the love of Mike.

836 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:03:12am

re: #826 Dragon_Lady

What kind of store? If you don’t mind my asking…

He could tell you but then he’d have to kill you

837 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:03:34am

re: #828 sattv4u2

I think you get a toaster at 1,000!

(gold watch at 50K)

Hey! I didn’t get a toaster!
:P

838 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:03:40am

RE-ENGAGE GAZE.

839 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:04:07am

re: #838 MandyManners

RE-ENGAGE GAZE.

Make it so.

840 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:04:17am

re: #835 Obdicut

Please don’t start it up again, for the love of Mike.

Who’s Mike? :-P

841 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:05:10am

re: #683 Bagua

I didn’t even check his sources as his views are so disconnected from reality. By his reasoning, George Bush and Barack Obama are the same because they are both Presidents, nay, they are identical because they both use the word ‘the’ in a speech. It is a waste of time to debate on those terms.

You didn’t even check my sources. Even better. You are disputing the factual claims that I have made, without even making the effort to click a single link. Pathetic.

842 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:05:12am

re: #821 Dark_Falcon

ditto

843 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:05:28am

re: #826 Dragon_Lady

What kind of store? If you don’t mind my asking…

Sales and repair of mobile phones.

844 freetoken  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:05:31am

re: #840 Dragon_Lady

Who’s Mike? :-P

[Link: wiki.answers.com…]

845 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:06:00am

re: #834 PhillyPretzel

I got a long way to go.

Upding to help get you there! :-)

846 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:07:26am

re: #844 freetoken

[Link: wiki.answers.com…]

My dinger’s not working but I tried to give you one.

847 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:07:45am

re: #842 Reginald Perrin

ditto

And again sent. ;) I’m, about to go to work so any further replies will be read tonight.

848 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:08:01am

re: #835 Obdicut

Please don’t start it up again, for the love of Mike.

Bagua is more than entitled to his/her opinion. What I take issue with is that Bagua engages me in a debate, and then completely ignores the substance of my post to label me someone who has an “irrational hatred of the U.S.” Without even addressing the merit of a single point that I made.

849 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:08:22am

re: #843 Dark_Falcon

Sales and repair of mobile phones.

Cool! I used to be in sales… Spent 20 years + at it. Now I’m a full time homebody…. and the survey says: boring! :(

850 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:08:40am

re: #841 drcordell

Go Away Gordon.

851 Buck  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:08:49am

re: #848 drcordell

What I take issue with is that Bagua engages me in a debate, and then completely ignores the substance of my post to label me someone who has an “irrational hatred of the U.S.” Without even addressing the merit of a single point that I made.

Pot meet kettle…

852 freetoken  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:08:54am

re: #846 MandyManners

It’s the thought that counts…

853 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:08:58am

re: #843 Dark_Falcon

Sales and repair of mobile phones.

Thank you for proceeding to down-ding every one of my posts.

854 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:09:27am

re: #844 freetoken

[Link: wiki.answers.com…]

Awww, you too serious! I is jus joshin ‘im!

855 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:10:22am

re: #851 Buck

Pot meet kettle…

Analogy fail. Find me an instance where someone has sent me links that prove their point and I flat-out refuse to even acknowledge the substance of their post.

856 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:10:25am

re: #848 drcordell

However, as I said before, the analogy you were using did nothing but turn the argument into a reflexive mess; I don’t think it’s right to make the boilerplate accusation that you have an ‘irrational hatred of the US’, but I also think that you’d best be looking to your own arguments and how you can better present them so as to, oh, I don’t know, simply piss off everyone who you’re apparently trying to appeal to or persuade.

857 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:10:43am

re: #850 Dark_Falcon

Go Away Gordon.

Go fix my cell phone.

858 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:11:18am

re: #847 Dark_Falcon

Same here, lunch break is oiver and it’s time to get back to work.
There is no hurry, it’s not happening until the beginning of April and then only if everything is properly in place.
TTYL

859 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:12:16am

re: #857 drcordell

You went to charm school, didn’t you?

860 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:12:16am

Well, I out until tonight!

Later, Lizardia!


…and Nodrog, knock it off.

861 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:12:24am

re: #856 Obdicut

However, as I said before, the analogy you were using did nothing but turn the argument into a reflexive mess; I don’t think it’s right to make the boilerplate accusation that you have an ‘irrational hatred of the US’, but I also think that you’d best be looking to your own arguments and how you can better present them so as to, oh, I don’t know, simply piss off everyone who you’re apparently trying to appeal to or persuade.

Bagua specifically stated that the U.S. military has nothing to do with Christianity. And I posted three specific links to various articles that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the Christianist influence within the U.S. military. And for that I am labeled an “America hater.”

862 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:13:01am

re: #857 drcordell

Go fix my cell phone.

Another one for the Bottom Ten Hit Parade.

863 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:13:10am

re: #853 drcordell

Thank you for proceeding to down-ding every one of my posts.

You know, in ally my time spent here I have never down-dinged any one, but I came really close to giving you my first one. Fighting doesn’t do anything but upset others. Pretty please don’t make me down-ding you today.

864 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:13:57am

re: #861 drcordell

Are you having trouble reading? I have no problem with saying you shouldn’t be called an “America hater”. I’m trying to point out to you, over and over, that if your real intention is to communicate and persuade, then you’re going about it like a complete goddamn jackass. And if you’re not— which your above post to DF makes me think— then you’re just venting or something and it’s tiresome.

865 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:14:11am

re: #861 drcordell

Bagua specifically stated that the U.S. military has nothing to do with Christianity. And I posted three specific links to various articles that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the Christianist influence within the U.S. military. And for that I am labeled an “America hater.”

Kindly note that there were more detached responses to some of your posts, which you have not engaged. Ergo, appearance of pissing vs. debating.

866 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:14:26am

re: #861 drcordell

“beyond a shadow of a doubt” often doesn’t mean what people think it means.

867 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:14:39am

re: #865 Aceofwhat?

Exactly.

868 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:14:43am

re: #864 Obdicut

Are you having trouble reading? I have no problem with saying you shouldn’t be called an “America hater”. I’m trying to point out to you, over and over, that if your real intention is to communicate and persuade, then you’re going about it like a complete goddamn jackass. And if you’re not— which your above post to DF makes me think— then you’re just venting or something and it’s tiresome.

well said

869 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:15:00am

re: #862 Silvergirl

Another one for the Bottom Ten Hit Parade.

Go scroll up the thread. So far I’ve been called an irrational America hater, and been compared to Alex Jones. By that metric a crack about mobile phones shouldn’t really phase anyone.

870 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:15:49am

re: #869 drcordell

The word is “faze”.

871 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:15:52am

re: #867 Obdicut

Exactly.

So, do we have to, like, hug after 867 and 868? I hug but i don’t make out…so your GF doesn’t have anything to worry about there…

872 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:16:08am

re: #869 drcordell

Except you made the crack about Alex Jones to someone who didn’t fucking deserve it, and it’s a classist, sneering crack that plays right into every stereotype of a leftist elitist.

Your’e doing far more harm for your own point of view than you are good, and I don’t understand why you can’t just stop.

873 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:16:34am

re: #869 drcordell

Stop whining or I’ll smack you.

874 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:16:41am

re: #871 Aceofwhat?

I’ll be sending you a Mutual Admiration Society membership card.

875 cliffster  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:17:16am

re: #869 drcordell

Go scroll up the thread. So far I’ve been called an irrational America hater, and been compared to Alex Jones. By that metric a crack about mobile phones shouldn’t really phase anyone.

I’m glad you’ve found a place where you can be amongst friends..

876 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:17:34am

re: #862 Silvergirl

Another one for the Bottom Ten Hit Parade.

Some people like to wear their downdings as badges of honor. Some those people also like to eat martyr cookies and think wearing their own asses as hats is a classy fashion statement.

I’m off to work. Every be careful around the troll. When trolls get agitated, they spew toxic bile.

877 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:17:47am

re: #864 Obdicut

Are you having trouble reading? I have no problem with saying you shouldn’t be called an “America hater”. I’m trying to point out to you, over and over, that if your real intention is to communicate and persuade, then you’re going about it like a complete goddamn jackass. And if you’re not— which your above post to DF makes me think— then you’re just venting or something and it’s tiresome.

You are completely right. I agree that everything degenerates into a quasi flame-war all to quickly sometimes on LGF. And I recognize that I should temper myself more than I usually do. But I also recognize that part of that stems from the fact that any contact with certain “third rails” on this site means that you are labeled an anti-semitic Alex Jones follower in about .05 seconds. Once bombs start getting lobbed I’m not about to stop myself from being extremely blunt.

878 thedopefishlives  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:18:48am

re: #870 thedopefishlives

Ironically enough, close on the keyboard is the word GAZE.

879 Silvergirl  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:19:44am

re: #869 drcordell

Go scroll up the thread. So far I’ve been called an irrational America hater, and been compared to Alex Jones. By that metric a crack about mobile phones shouldn’t really phase anyone.

Faze.

Name calling isn’t nice in general. I just did it to Mike Huckabee, though he probably can’t hear me. In arguing politics, comparisons to others who seemingly hold like views are usual. If it is perceived you aren’t loyal to your country, that may come up. Low blows. A person’s personal life and livelihood? The lowest.

880 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:21:03am

re: #877 drcordell

You’re lobbing bombs without reference to who you’re tossing them at, is the problem. You’re treating Bagua and DF as though they’re the same, when they couldn’t be more different.

It’s very dumb of you. I don’t know what else to say. You insist on digging yourself farther down, so again: I give up.

Just try to at least leave it in this thread, would you?

881 simoom  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:21:24am

re: #749 Dark_Falcon

Check out this story. Someone took a funny jab at the Tea Party crowd:

“Tea Bag The Libs Before They Tea Bag YOU!”

They didn’t get that quite right. It’s a freerepublic teaparty sign — here’s a pic of it:
Image: 2009-03-18-tea_bag_dems.jpg

It should say:

TEA BAG the
LIBERAL DEMS
BEFORE THEY TEA BAG YOU !!

FReeRepublic.COM

882 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:22:09am

re: #852 freetoken

It’s the thought that counts…

Well, I tried to ding you again.

883 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:22:47am

re: #857 drcordell

Go fix my cell phone.

Sorry

I don’t think anyone still works on those old analog “bag phones”

You do know you can get a freeebie with a 2 year contract !?!?

884 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:22:57am

Goona’ log off and clear my cache.

885 drcordell  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:24:00am

re: #879 Silvergirl

Faze.

Name calling isn’t nice in general. I just did it to Mike Huckabee, though he probably can’t hear me. In arguing politics, comparisons to others who seemingly hold like views are usual. If it is perceived you aren’t loyal to your country, that may come up. Low blows. A person’s personal life and livelihood? The lowest.

Touche.

886 Donna Ballard  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:29:27am

I don’t like Trolls drcordell, and as far as I’m concerned you are one! I’ve only been posting here for a month or so and I couldn’t understand what the term “Troll” meant. I do now! I’m gonna log off too and let my anger that you have inflicted on me drain away. I have enough stress in my life, I don’t need you adding to it!

To my friends, I hope you all have a fabulous day! Keep Laughing Lizards, maybe it’ll chase the troll away! :-)

887 SasyMomaCat  Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:50:35am

Drive-by post (and late to the party, at that) - I apologize in advance for the bad form of posting and running, but I don’t have time at the moment to fully catch up or to hang out and reply. Some of this may have already been addressed and is strictly drawn from my own limited knowledge and personal interactions.

First, comparing GWB to Ahmadinajad (sp?) in the application of religious beliefs to government behavior is not an accurate comparison primarily (and for a whole lot of other reasons, too, but I’ll stick to this one) because Iran is a theocracy and the religious views espoused by Amhadeinajad are essentially considered the law of the land whereas the US is a democratic republic with checks and balances in existence to prevent one person’s religious ideals from becoming the standing policy of the nation. On another board I used to frequent where theology and religion was discussed at length, we had one Muslim poster who went to great lengths to try to explain how and why Islam as a religion is necessarily also directly linked to government and politics. While we in the U.S. are generally able to separate church and state, that concept is completely foreign to an Islamic theocracy such as Iran. (Walter might be able to expound on this better - I think I remember him saying he had studied comparative religion extensively).

Regarding the belief of all Jews returning to Israel, it was my understanding that this was a Jewish belief that the return of the diaspora to Israel would open the door for the appearance of the Messiah. This is based on conversations with a dear friend that happens to be Jewish and is involved in a mission that helps bring Ethiopian Jews back to Israel. (Please, by all means, if this is not the prevailing belief, correct me there - I’m certainly no authority on Jewish theology).

There is a somewhat related belief in many branches of fundamental Christianity. However, it doesn’t involve return of Jews to Israel. The belief is that the spread of the Gospel to all people (once everyone has had the opportunity to accept or reject it) will usher in the rapture and second coming of Jesus Christ.

Again, all of that is based on my limited knowledge of the subjects.

Okay, gotta run for now - hope to pop back in later.


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