Orange Sky, with Birds
Camera: Canon Powershot G10. (The newer model is the Canon PowerShot G11.External Image)
Camera: Canon Powershot G10. (The newer model is the Canon PowerShot G11.External Image)
1 | _RememberTonyC Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:08:44pm |
Connecticut is expected to get up to 14 inches of snow tomorrow … but the folks in DC will not be impressed …
4 | Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:12:09pm |
re: #2 austin_blue
We have LOTs of crows here in LaLaLand. I called the city to ask if they had a “management strategy” and was told I “wasn the second complaint in 5 years, so no, they didn’t have a strategy”.
LOL!
92 birds counted at one time in the park, and you don’t have a strategy?
OK, they’re smart birds.
I’ll train them to go elsewhere.
It’s working so far.
And, they ARE smart birds!
5 | austin_blue Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:16:15pm |
re: #1 _RememberTonyC
Connecticut is expected to get up to 14 inches of snow tomorrow … but the folks in DC will not be impressed …
DC ha gotten more snow this season the they have in the past four years. For Texas, it’s God bless El Nino. we came out of a drought in August that was brutal. Our highland lakes are now filling up. These reservoirs feed downstream public water supplies, agriculture, and back bays that produce a tremendous amount of fish and shellfish stock that provides tasty protein to us.
I’m sorry that the the Baltimore/Washington corridor is getting hammered, but it has put our water issues back in the doable category.
6 | austin_blue Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:19:25pm |
re: #4 Floral Giraffe
We have LOTs of crows here in LaLaLand. I called the city to ask if they had a “management strategy” and was told I “wasn the second complaint in 5 years, so no, they didn’t have a strategy”.
LOL!
92 birds counted at one time in the park, and you don’t have a strategy?
OK, they’re smart birds.
I’ll train them to go elsewhere.
It’s working so far.
And, they ARE smart birds!
Corvids are almost as smart as parrots. They can be taught words and they have emotional attachments to their kin. Sentient? The jury is still out.
7 | ryannon Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:20:33pm |
re: #4 Floral Giraffe
We have LOTs of crows here in LaLaLand. I called the city to ask if they had a “management strategy” and was told I “wasn the second complaint in 5 years, so no, they didn’t have a strategy”.
LOL!
92 birds counted at one time in the park, and you don’t have a strategy?
OK, they’re smart birds.
I’ll train them to go elsewhere.
It’s working so far.
And, they ARE smart birds!
8 | ryannon Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:22:15pm |
re: #6 austin_blue
Corvids are almost as smart as parrots. They can be taught words and they have emotional attachments to their kin. Sentient? The jury is still out.
What do you mean by sentient?
Is a dog sentient? A cat? Why wouldn’t a crow be sentient?
10 | austin_blue Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:28:03pm |
re: #8 ryannon
What do you mean by sentient?
Is a dog sentient? A cat? Why wouldn’t a crow be sentient?
I had a friend who had a cockatoo. He would hold up a slice of an apple and the bird would say “Apple. Yum Yum Yum.” The damn thing had a vocabulary of like 100 words. Eerie.
As for dogs and cats? Cats, not so much. But dogs? Have you really looked into the level of capacity for service dogs? Sentience is a squishy definition, but I believe that dogs are aware at some level, even if it doesn’t reach the level of human sentience (obviously).
11 | austin_blue Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:31:05pm |
And this was a drive-by visit.
Work, work, work, tomorrow.
Good night, my dear Lizards.
Sweet dreams to one and all.
12 | ryannon Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:32:47pm |
re: #10 austin_blue
I had a friend who had a cockatoo. He would hold up a slice of an apple and the bird would say “Apple. Yum Yum Yum.” The damn thing had a vocabulary of like 100 words. Eerie.
As for dogs and cats? Cats, not so much. But dogs? Have you really looked into the level of capacity for service dogs? Sentience is a squishy definition, but I believe that dogs are aware at some level, even if it doesn’t reach the level of human sentience (obviously).
I sincerely believe that even things like rocks and trees are endowed with some form of sentient consciousness. As for animals, I have no doubts at all.
13 | Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:34:23pm |
re: #6 austin_blue
They fly off at the sight of me.
I don’t even need to pick up the tennis ball, much less, throw it at them.
They definitely can learn!
And, they fear me!
LOL!
14 | Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:40:36pm |
Good night, dear lizards.
Stay scaly!
Hasta manana!
16 | ryannon Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:49:43pm |
18 | ryannon Tue, Feb 9, 2010 11:54:28pm |
re: #17 laZardo
You just have to wind them up, is all.
Humans, yeah.
As for animals, I just let them do their thing.
19 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 12:20:05am |
Good early morning from someone who went to bed WAY to early last night.
21 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Feb 10, 2010 12:47:41am |
Just don’t start feeding those crows or they will start wanting voting rights and elect a commited socialist ideologue with an Arabic middle name.
And they will still not be able to spell (or count)
/
22 | laZardo Wed, Feb 10, 2010 1:24:16am |
A minor swing to jilt this thread back to life.
23 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 1:40:04am |
I don’t watch much TV, but man I love Fringe.
24 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 2:14:25am |
It’s only gonna be 56 today. The gubner has ordered all sun plows deployed. Heh.
/sorry
25 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 2:21:45am |
A group of 45 year old guys discuss where they should meet for dinner. Finally they agree to meet at the Kelley’s Restaurant because the waitresses have low cut blouses and nice breasts.
10 years later at age 55, the group agrees to meet at Kelley’s because the food is good and the wine selection is excellent.
10 years later at age 65, the group agrees to meet at Kelley’s because they can eat there in peace and quiet and the restaurant is smoke free.
10 years later at age 75, the group agrees to meet at Kelley’s because the restaurant is wheel chair accessible and they have an elevator.
10 years later at age 85, the group agrees to meet at Kelley’s because they have never been there before.
26 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:18:35am |
Earthquake rattles northern Illinois
(CNN) — An early morning earthquake rattled northern Illinois on Wednesday, shaking an area about 50 miles west-northwest of downtown Chicago, the U.S. Geological Survey said.The 4.3-magnitude quake hit just before 4 a.m. CT (5 a.m. ET), with an epicenter about 3 miles underground. The USGS pinpointed the quake between the towns of Virgil and Sycamore.
Several callers to CNN said the quake shook their homes severely, but there were no immediate reports of major damage.
Doug Dupont of Belvidre, Illinois, about 70 miles northwest of downtown Chicago, said the quake shook him out of bed and caused a 1-foot-long crack in the wall of his kitchen.
Any lizards there feel it?
27 | ryannon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:26:34am |
re: #26 Varek Raith
Earthquake rattles northern Illinois
Any lizards there feel it?
Hmm. God must be angry at northern Illinois now.
/
28 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:27:26am |
re: #27 ryannon
Hmm. God must be angry at northern Illinois now.
/
I know of someone from there. Hmmm.
/
29 | ryannon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:29:41am |
30 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:30:03am |
Well, this just sucks…:(
Capt. Phil Harris of TV’s ‘Deadliest Catch’ dies after stroke
(CNN) — Capt. Phil Harris of the Discovery Channel show “The Deadliest Catch” died Tuesday of complications from a stroke suffered late last month. He was 53.
31 | ryannon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:34:18am |
And now a sublime bit of Smooth Jazz by Kenny G to piss everyone off (except God, who likes this stuff)
32 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:37:00am |
34 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:43:14am |
For the love of Pete, let it end!!
[Link: www.wnd.com…]
35 | Jetpilot1101 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:47:59am |
re: #30 Varek Raith
Well, this just sucks…:(
Capt. Phil Harris of TV’s ‘Deadliest Catch’ dies after stroke
I’ve got a great story about CAPT Harris. While I was doing some work in Alaska, I missed my boat and settled down to an 8 hour wait on the pier. The Cornelia Marie happened to be tied up right behind me. Phil kindly asked me into his wheelhouse, gave me a couple cigarettes and fed me prime rib and Alaskan king crab for dinner. He trully did have a big heart and it’s sad to see him pass on. My thoughts and prayers will be with his family.
36 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:54:16am |
re: #34 Cannadian Club Akbar
The case brought on behalf of a career government employee outlines how during Clinton’s tenure in the U.S. Senate, the salary for the secretary of state was raised to $186,600, then to $191,300, and then again to $196,700.
Gosh. Don’t most postal employees make that much?
37 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 3:55:42am |
re: #36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Gosh. Don’t most postal employees make that much?
We’ll pay them that much if we know what’s good for us!!
/
39 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:05:10am |
Only 8 online?
One could call that a reptile dysfunction.
40 | ryannon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:06:07am |
re: #39 Spare O’Lake
Only 8 online?
One could call that a reptile dysfunction.
e-reptile dysfunction.
41 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:06:35am |
re: #39 Spare O’Lake
Only 8 online?
One could call that a reptile dysfunction.
Earlier there were only 3. I did my best to hold down the fort.:(
42 | ryannon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:07:28am |
And I pissed everyone off with a Kenny G music video :-)
43 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:08:51am |
46 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:11:26am |
He’s not an ideologue, he told congressional Republicans when he boldly faced them at a televised caucus meeting, but he is, at least if you define an ideologue not as a stop-at-nothing fanatic, but instead as someone obedient to one or two controlling ideas and values that then tend to inform virtually every aspect of the person’s political thinking.
It seems to me that Obama has a controlling idea — the efficacy and responsibility of big government in taking care of people — and that his foremost political value is equality, not just equality under the law or even equality of opportunity, but equality of outcome. He may have other political values, such as the one I most revere, liberty, but they are so far behind that, in virtually any contest, equality wins.
SNIP
47 | Taqyia2Me Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:14:19am |
Morning, Lizards and Lizardom.
Did not feel the N Illinois quake here in central IL, but any shaking goin’ on around here should remind all of the New Madrid Fault. There was a shaker a hundred years ago or so that changed the direction of the flow of the Mississippi River and rang church bells in New England.
48 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:17:36am |
49 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:18:33am |
Pakistani officials: Taliban chief is dead
Pakistani Taliban chief Hakimullah Mehsud has died, the country’s top civilian security official told The Associated Press on Wednesday.It was the government’s first categorical confirmation of the death of the feared terrorist, whose passing is likely to weaken, but not vanquish, the al-Qaida-linked insurgent network he led.
Reports of Mehsud’s death emerged after a spate of US missiles hit his stronghold in Pakistan’s northwestern tribal belt in mid-January.
Mehsud was said to have died of wounds suffered in one of the strikes in the Waziristan region — another big victory for the CIA-led missile campaign that killed Mehsud’s predecessor just six months ago.
In a response to an AP query, Pakistani Interior Minister Rehman Malik, wrote, “Yes, he is dead,” while a senior intelligence official concurred.
[Link: www.jpost.com…]
I’m overcome with grief.
50 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:20:25am |
51 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:20:55am |
re: #47 Taqyia2Me
STOP THE YELLOWSTONE CALDERA!
52 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:20:55am |
Good gravy! BHO is launching a press campaign to try to convince the nation that he’s tough on terrorism while his pit bull, Brennan, is telling us that political criticism is aiding al Qaida.
Does anyone else see the disconnect there?
53 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:22:26am |
re: #52 MandyManners
Good gravy! BHO is launching a press campaign to try to convince the nation that he’s tough on terrorism while his pit bull, Brennan, is telling us that political criticism is aiding al Qaida.
Does anyone else see the disconnect there?
Well, W went after the terrorist and Dems said that helped Al Queda, remember?
54 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:25:02am |
During the event, hosted by the university’s Student Union, a Muslim student, who had been heckling the deputy foreign minister, got up and shouted in Arabic “Itbah Al-Yahud” - “kill the Jews” - as he was leaving the lecture hall.SNIP
At a demonstration outside the lecture hall, organized by the university’s Palestine Society, protesters chanted “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.”
SNIP
55 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:26:31am |
re: #53 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, W went after the terrorist and Dems said that helped Al Queda, remember?
They’re going after “murderous miscreants” yet they can’t handle criticism from within their own nation.
56 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:28:10am |
re: #54 MandyManners
The student was probably just mildly irritated at Jews at that particular moment.
“Kill the Jews” is really, just a silly Muslim exclamation. Kind of like “Gosh, it’s hot.”
We learned that yesterday.
Or was that “Death to the Jews” is not a big deal, but “Kill the Jews” is a big deal?
Or was it the other way around?
57 | Walter L. Newton Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:29:10am |
re: #47 Taqyia2Me
Morning, Lizards and Lizardom.
Did not feel the N Illinois quake here in central IL, but any shaking goin’ on around here should remind all of the New Madrid Fault. There was a shaker a hundred years ago or so that changed the direction of the flow of the Mississippi River and rang church bells in New England.
The churches in New England were that happy about the quake?
58 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:30:07am |
re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The student was probably just mildly irritated at Jews at that particular moment.
“Kill the Jews” is really, just a silly Muslim exclamation. Kind of like “Gosh, it’s hot.”
We learned that yesterday.
Or was that “Death to the Jews” is not a big deal, but “Kill the Jews” is a big deal?
Or was it the other way around?
And we all know that “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is just the anguished cry of frustrated real estate agents.
59 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:33:47am |
re: #57 Walter L. Newton
The churches in New England were that happy about the quake?
Handel’s Messiah…
60 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:36:39am |
re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thus saith the Lord of Hosts; Yet once, a little while and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land; And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come
That’s what opera boy said anyway…
61 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:36:45am |
SNIP
The report refers to recent remarks made by Desmond Travers, a retired Irish army colonel, who was one of four members of the fact-finding mission to Gaza and Israel.
Travers rejects the idea that Israel launched the offensive in Gaza on December 27, 2008, as an act of self-defense in response to Hamas rockets.
The Jerusalem center report says he bases this idea on a “fact” that he presents that in the month prior to start of the war, only “something like two” rockets that fell on Israel.
The report quotes an extensive interview with Travers in the Middle East Monitor, in which he also says that Hamas had sought “a continuation of the cease-fire” prior to Israel’s offensive in Gaza.
Travers also rejects Israel Defense Forces photographs as proof that Hamas hid weapons in mosques during the conflict.
SNIP
62 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:38:52am |
re: #61 MandyManners
Only fire two rockets? No problem!
63 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:39:51am |
Well, I just checked the calendar. Probably shouldn’t be surprised about what I am seeing out my window… but there appears to be quite a bit of it.
64 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:42:43am |
re: #63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, I just checked the calendar. Probably shouldn’t be surprised about what I am seeing out my window… but there appears to be quite a bit of it.
Fireworks?
/
66 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:44:15am |
re: #59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
TRIED TO BRING SOME CLASS INTO HERE!
67 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:44:57am |
68 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:47:36am |
re: #63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, I just checked the calendar. Probably shouldn’t be surprised about what I am seeing out my window… but there appears to be quite a bit of it.
69 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:48:37am |
re: #62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Only fire two rockets? No problem!
Don’t forget that the man who headed the “investigation”, Goldstone, was with Human Rights Watch which also had Joe Stork. For more on Stork, see:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
70 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:49:26am |
re: #69 MandyManners
I thought I remembered that. Thanks.
71 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:53:05am |
My radio just said the guy who has the John Edwards sex tape has until 2PM to hand it over to the judge or go to jail. GAK!!!
72 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:55:14am |
re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio just said the guy who has the John Edwards sex tape has until 2PM to hand it over to the judge or go to jail. GAK!!!
Young put it into a safe-deposit box in Atlanta.
73 | Mike DeGuzman Wed, Feb 10, 2010 4:58:37am |
re: #1 _RememberTonyC
Connecticut is expected to get up to 14 inches of snow tomorrow … but the folks in DC will not be impressed …
We’re not impressed. It’s really bad here. Last week 37 inches of snow in my area in Northern Virginia. Woke up this morning and it’s still snowing from yesterday. Stuck at home. Federal Government is closed for a third day. Everything here is closed. Way too much snow. Global warming where are you when I need you!
74 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:00:23am |
re: #73 Mike DeGuzman
Silver Lining: Federal Government is closed down.
75 | Mike DeGuzman Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:02:51am |
re: #33 Varek Raith
I should have listen to my wife and bought me a snow blower. I hate shoveling snow!
76 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:03:25am |
re: #75 Mike DeGuzman
I should have listen to my wife and bought me a snow blower. I hate shoveling snow!
Great cardio workout!
77 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:04:25am |
re: #76 MandyManners
Great cardio workout!
Screw that. I shoveled snow once for 5 minutes. Thought I was a goner.
78 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:05:19am |
re: #75 Mike DeGuzman
I had a mentor who died from Cardiac arrest after shoveling snow on Valentines day, many years ago.
Be careful out there.
79 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:09:08am |
re: #77 Cannadian Club Akbar
Screw that. I shoveled snow once for 5 minutes. Thought I was a goner.
Shovel any sand lately?
80 | Mike DeGuzman Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:09:51am |
re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar
Silver Lining: Federal Government is closed down.
At least our elected officials don’t have to shovel snow. ;D
81 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:10:22am |
re: #80 Mike DeGuzman
At least our elected officials don’t have to shovel snow. ;D
They shovel shit.
83 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:10:52am |
re: #79 MandyManners
Shovel any sand lately?
I can use a shovel for 6 hours in 95 degree heat and I’m fine.
84 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:11:22am |
re: #83 Cannadian Club Akbar
I can use a shovel for 6 hours in 95 degree heat and I’m fine.
What humidity?
86 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:12:18am |
The poor, benighted child of the Meanest Mom in the World has been fever-free for 24 hours so he’s going back to school.
87 | Mike DeGuzman Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:12:41am |
88 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:12:42am |
re: #84 MandyManners
What humidity?
90%. 103 heat index. I actually love the heat. I eat 6 times a day and still lose 10 pounds.
89 | Why I Never! Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:13:37am |
It’s snowing! Wheee!
90 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:14:33am |
re: #86 MandyManners
The poor, benighted child of the Meanest Mom in the World has been fever-free for 24 hours so he’s going back to school.
Gee, that’s a head scratcher.
/
91 | Mike DeGuzman Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:15:52am |
re: #78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I had a mentor who died from Cardiac arrest after shoveling snow on Valentines day, many years ago.
Be careful out there.
My college kid told me that same very topic last night.
92 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:22:48am |
Ice,
Did you happen to see this?
[Link: hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com…]
Arpaio Blasts McCain’s “Liberal” Policies
Maricopa Co. Sheriff Joe Arpaio is urging GOPers to shelve Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) in favor of ex-Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R), a challenger attacking from the right, in a new letter sent to primary voters.
I would have hoped that an endorsement from Arpaio would kill the Hayworth campaign, but I’m betting not.
93 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:23:25am |
94 | Why I Never! Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:25:34am |
re: #92 RogueOne
Ice,
Did you happen to see this?
[Link: hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com…]Arpaio Blasts McCain’s “Liberal” Policies
I would have hoped that an endorsement from Arpaio would kill the Hayworth campaign, but I’m betting not.
Hey Rogue!
I was just going to ask you if you’d seen it! (i saw the TPM piece which referenced this, not the hotline piece itself).
What’s happening with McCain is really sad. He’s tacking more and more right, even when that means renouncing his old positions, and even so he’s not going to make any friends doing it.
Arpaio is an unbelievable dirtbag.
95 | prairiefire Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:27:56am |
Captain Phil from “Deadliest Catch” has died.[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
RIP to a tough, hard working man.
Morning, Lizards.
96 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:29:52am |
re: #95 prairiefire
Go back and read #35. Great story.
97 | RogueOne Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:30:18am |
re: #94 iceweasel
I saw it on TPM yesterday but I couldn’t remember where so I just did a quick google search to find it. Short-term memory issues I guess.//
I’ve never been a big fan of McCain, I think he has issues with the first amendment. I know illegal immigration is a big issue in AZ but it’s not the ONLY issue. I’d be much more worried about the threats to the legal system under Arpaio more than immigration. I don’t think Hayworth has a shot but with the “down with the incumbents” attitude sweeping the country I could be very wrong.
99 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:30:38am |
re: #95 prairiefire
Watched that show a few times… the job look really hard… I’ll betcha it’s a thousand times harder than it looks though.
100 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:31:47am |
re: #99 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Watched that show a few times… the job look really hard… I’ll betcha it’s a thousand times harder than it looks though.
Super dangerous. That’s why it was great pay.
102 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:34:23am |
re: #100 Cannadian Club Akbar
Super dangerous. That’s why it was great pay when there was a good catch.
I have deep admiration for folks who are willing to gamble that their knowledge/skill can bring them fortune without a salary.
103 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:37:20am |
re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thanks for the fix.
104 | rwdflynavy Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:38:45am |
Good Morning Lizards.
I don’t agree with a lot of what Sherriff Joe does, but think some of his ideas are good with respect to not coddling inmates. Prison should be a very uncomfortable place to be and should be as self-sufficient as possible.
105 | prairiefire Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:40:24am |
Snowball the dancing Cockatoo:
106 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:53:32am |
re: #104 rwdflynavy
Love the new avatar… I have a friend who does that every time he gets one of those nametags.
107 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:55:09am |
Good morning! J
ust finished catching up on the thread. Sorry to hear about Capt. Phil. I hope his sons can rise to the occasion to carry on the family business. May they have peace and comfort in their time of grief.
Weather wise, it’s flurrying here in SE TN.
Seismically, we have had a few tremblers here lately - this past Friday we had one that made it up to 3. Seems to be more of that going on around the world and little ones making the news in places not usually associated with earthquakes - it’s like the planet is gearing up for some massive upheaval.
108 | rwdflynavy Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:55:37am |
re: #106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Love the new avatar… I have a friend who does that every time he gets one of those nametags.
Thank you Sir! Got enough snow yet? My MIL is very tired of it as she lives up a mountain in SW county.
109 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:56:24am |
re: #107 SasyMomaCat
We’ve had our fill of snow, apparently, but today dawned cold and clear at -1 degree F. Brr. Wouldn’t have been so bad, but I also managed to sleep through my alarm and barely made it to work in any sort of reasonable time.
110 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:56:26am |
re: #71 Cannadian Club Akbar
My radio just said the guy who has the John Edwards sex tape has until 2PM to hand it over to the judge or go to jail. GAK!!!
Morning. I haven’t followed this closely, but I don’t understand the issue. Edwards is now an admitted sleaze, but I would have thought he and the woman still had a right to privacy in such matters.
Why does anyone need to see how he acts in bed?
111 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:58:28am |
re: #109 thedopefishlives
did you manage to get there fully clothed and with matching socks? I hate it when that happens, but in never ceases to amaze me how quickly I can run through my morning routine with few omissions (usually the make-up is a casualty of the rush).
Sounds rather chilly! Stay warm!
112 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:59:11am |
re: #110 Naso Tang
Here’s what the audio said,
“Yeah, just like that. Wait! Ow! Ouch! Ow! HEY! WATCH THE HAIR!”
(her part of the audio is inaudible)
113 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 5:59:30am |
re: #110 Naso Tang
I think that’s kind of the point. The court wants to be sure that, at least until the case is over, this kind of thing doesn’t get leaked.
114 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:00:00am |
re: #111 SasyMomaCat
did you manage to get there fully clothed and with matching socks? I hate it when that happens, but in never ceases to amaze me how quickly I can run through my morning routine with few omissions (usually the make-up is a casualty of the rush).
Sounds rather chilly! Stay warm!
I even managed to pack my lunch and grab a half-decent breakfast on my way out the door.
115 | badger1 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:00:13am |
re: #46 MandyManners
Interesting, and very close to the mark.
116 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:00:59am |
re: #114 thedopefishlives
My hat’s off to you, Mr. Fish - squeezing in two meals on top of getting ready is quite a feat when you sleep through the alarm!
117 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:02:03am |
re: #116 SasyMomaCat
My hat’s off to you, Mr. Fish - squeezing in two meals on top of getting ready is quite a feat when you sleep through the alarm!
Well, my morning routine mostly consists of getting dressed and going out to get the truck started and warmed. I have the odd habit of showering and shaving in the late evenings, rather than doing it first thing in the morning. Weird, I know, but it works.
118 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:04:00am |
re: #117 thedopefishlives
Not weird at all. If it weren’t for fine, uncooperative hair, I would do likewise. It would save a good bit of time in the a.m. Unfortunately, my hair ends up looking like a rat’s nest, regardless of the technique, unless I was it in the morning. So, with that, I might as well shower - easier than bending over the tub and makes less mess.
119 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:04:57am |
re: #118 SasyMomaCat
Sounds like the Mrs. Fish, who has thick curly tresses that require about half a can of hairspray to coerce into shape. Per day.
120 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:06:03am |
re: #113 SasyMomaCat
I think that’s kind of the point. The court wants to be sure that, at least until the case is over, this kind of thing doesn’t get leaked.
The judge has said nobody will look at it and it’s for safekeeping?
I don’t know who first said they had it, but I thought I read the woman doesn’t want it released and I’m sure Edward doesn’t. What is the synopsis, and who made the video anyway?
121 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:06:26am |
re: #119 thedopefishlives
LOL - I can only wish to have hair like that! Mine is plentiful, but super-fine. And straight as a string. Mine probably doesn’t take near as long to style, but doesn’t look as pretty, either.
122 | Jadespring Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:07:03am |
re: #117 thedopefishlives
Well, my morning routine mostly consists of getting dressed and going out to get the truck started and warmed. I have the odd habit of showering and shaving in the late evenings, rather than doing it first thing in the morning. Weird, I know, but it works.
When I worked outside home that’s what I did. I hated showering in the morning. I think it’s because I have really long hair that takes forever to dry so it was easier to take care of all the the night before and get an extra 45 mins sleep in the am.
123 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:07:56am |
re: #27 ryannon
Hmm. God must be angry at northern Illinois now.
/
Illinois made a pact with the ACORN.
124 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:07:57am |
re: #120 Naso Tang
I haven’t followed it closely enough to know who made it, but it was a really stupid thing to do. Also a really stupid thing to keep after the fact. I’m guessing Ms. Hunter did it for leverage if needed, but I could be wrong. I do know that the judge did express that as the reason for getting the tape.
125 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:08:03am |
good morning, jokers. anyone here not either freezing cold, or soaking wet?
126 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:08:04am |
re: #120 Naso Tang
The woman was his videographer.( I know I spelled that wrong)
127 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:08:46am |
re: #125 cliffster
good morning, jokers. anyone here not either freezing cold, or soaking wet?
Me. Sorry.
128 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:09:17am |
re: #126 Cannadian Club Akbar
She wanted to be sure she fully captured the events during the campaign/
129 | reine.de.tout Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:09:27am |
re: #125 cliffster
good morning, jokers. anyone here not either freezing cold, or soaking wet?
I’m cold.
And the possibility of sneaux is predicted for Baton Rouge for Friday!
So I’m gonna get colder.
And not happy about it. We already had our week of cold - we’re all ready now for spring and summer.
130 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:10:29am |
re: #128 SasyMomaCat
She wanted to be sure she fully captured the events during the campaign/
If you are married and film yourself with another woman, you get what you deserve.
131 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:10:40am |
re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dang it! That was funny! I expect to see some dings when I get back!
heh
BBL
132 | Jadespring Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:10:51am |
I wonder if this has ever happened to anybody. In my dream last night I was doing all these exercises, stretches, squats, sit ups etc. When I woke up I actually physically felt like I exercised and my muscles are sore. It’s really, really weird.
133 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:12:12am |
re: #85 RogueOne
Someone fill me in on Cato, is he taking another trip?
Does someone who knows Cato’s situation want to suggest a practical fix? LGF would be diminished without him.
134 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:12:57am |
re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar
I’ve never understood why people in “transient” situations (i.e., not long-term commitments) would be willing to make that kind of video. It almost certainly could later be a source of embarrassment or worse. Heck, as a general rule of thumb, if you don’t want it to end up on the internet, don’t record it, period.
135 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:12:59am |
re: #125 cliffster
good morning, jokers. anyone here not either freezing cold, or soaking wet?
The forecast here was for upper 20’s this morning, and when I looked it was 10 and snowing with a wind chill of 0 or less.
I was planning to cut some dead trees with the chainsaw. Instead here I am.
136 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:14:07am |
re: #125 cliffster
good morning, jokers. anyone here not either freezing cold, or soaking wet?
Well below freezing in Lower Alabama. Too cold for roofing materials, despite bright sun.
137 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:15:08am |
re: #129 reine.de.tout
Hi, I presume you figured out how to protect your plumbing (no joke intended) in this lovely winter.
138 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:15:14am |
re: #129 reine.de.tout
I’m cold.
And the possibility of sneaux is predicted for Baton Rouge for Friday!So I’m gonna get colder.
And not happy about it. We already had our week of cold - we’re all ready now for spring and summer.
I didn’t know it ever snowed there. Ever.
139 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:16:07am |
re: #138 cliffster
Well, the Saints did win the Super Bowl - stranger things have happened! ;)
140 | reine.de.tout Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:17:44am |
re: #137 Naso Tang
Hi, I presume you figured out how to protect your plumbing (no joke intended) in this lovely winter.
Oh, yes.
It’s all wrapped up.
But when it gets really cold- the only fix is to leave the water trickling all night from each tap, so that it can’t freeze in the pipes. Only way to do it.
re: #138 cliffster
I didn’t know it ever snowed there. Ever.
Once every 10-12 years usually.
An inch or two or three.
141 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:18:13am |
Guys, I know I joke with ya’ll since I live in Florida, but I really feel for ya.
142 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:18:14am |
re: #117 thedopefishlives
Well, my morning routine mostly consists of getting dressed and going out to get the truck started and warmed. I have the odd habit of showering and shaving in the late evenings, rather than doing it first thing in the morning. Weird, I know, but it works.
Nope, i’m exactly the same way. Getting up in the morning is much less daunting for me when half of the routine is already in the bag.
143 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:18:19am |
re: #134 SasyMomaCat
Heck, as a general rule of thumb, if you don’t want it to end up on the internet, don’t record it, period.
This. In general, it’s never a terribly good idea to record anything you wouldn’t want another person to see. In particular, once it leaves your hands, it’s completely out of your control and there is not one thing you can do about it to get it back. How do you think the succession of Disney girl “nude photos revealed” scandals occurred?
144 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:19:18am |
re: #141 Cannadian Club Akbar
Guys, I know I joke with ya’ll since I live in Florida, but I really feel for ya.
And I live in Florida after having spent the vast majority of my life in Cleveland, then Chicago…so I will continue to laugh evilly!
145 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:20:05am |
Greets and saluts from the snowpalooza of the NYC metro area. We’ve already got 6 inches of fresh snow. And this is just the start. This is the wet heavy variety of snow, so the flakes are coming down fast and furious all while trees and bushes are sagging under the weight.
So far, most of the weather reports are in agreement - 10+ inches in NYC proper. More in Northern-Central NJ. Yet, WPIX is predicting much less 6-12 in NYC with 6-18 in NJ. Everyone else, including the NWS is predicting a whole lot more - and blizzard warnings are in effect.
Geaux sneaux! /
146 | srb1976 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:21:14am |
Morning folks….North alabama is getting what people around here refer to as snow (less that 1/2”)….all very funny for those of us who grew up elsewhere
147 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:22:07am |
re: #146 srb1976
Heh. That would barely rate a dusting in these parts (NJ) - and still be sufficient to close DC.
148 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:22:12am |
re: #140 reine.de.tout
Once every 10-12 years usually.
An inch or two or three.
Sounds about like Austin. Make that every 5 years or so, and that’s us. For anything that sticks, anyways. It might snow a tiny little dusting, that never even thinks about sticking on the ground, more often.
It’s freezing right now though. Good cold winter this year. Kill off all the fleas.
149 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:22:36am |
~Hey, I’ve passed the 500 comment mark! I guess I’m no longer an “infrequent poster.” I suppose I should update my profile~
150 | reine.de.tout Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:22:50am |
re: #148 cliffster
Sounds about like Austin. Make that every 5 years or so, and that’s us. For anything that sticks, anyways. It might snow a tiny little dusting, that never even thinks about sticking on the ground, more often.
It’s freezing right now though. Good cold winter this year. Kill off all the fleas.
Well, yes - that is an upside!
151 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:23:13am |
re: #145 lawhawk
accumulation predictions are one of the toughest (and least accurate) in meteorology, IIRC.
are the subways running? i’d think that an underground train would suit this weather perfectly, except i’d also think that 2 million other people might be having the same idea right about now…
152 | srb1976 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:23:32am |
re: #147 lawhawk
Heh. That would barely rate a dusting in these parts (NJ) - and still be sufficient to close DC.
Around here, rural schools close as soon as the snow is predicted…..city schools close as soon as any of it accumulates…and the Little Man is sorely disappointed, as there is never enough to build a snowman (with button and a small carrot)
153 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:23:40am |
re: #148 cliffster
If it gets cold enough for long enough, it helps with mosquitos, too!
154 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:23:42am |
Morning all. SQL Server 2005 is pissing me off but at least there isn’t any snow here in Sacramento. Then again I could seriously use a snow day.
156 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:25:10am |
re: #149 SasyMomaCat
~Hey, I’ve passed the 500 comment mark! I guess I’m no longer an “infrequent poster.” I suppose I should update my profile~
it’s all relative! another perspective is that you don’t require as many comments as others to get your point across - how’s that for spin?
(dinged your 500th as congrats)
157 | Jadespring Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:25:21am |
It seems like all the snow is staying more south this year. Usually we have at least several feet accumulated by now but not this year. It hasn’t been as cold as usual either.
158 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:26:18am |
re: #149 SasyMomaCat
~Hey, I’ve passed the 500 comment mark! I guess I’m no longer an “infrequent poster.” I suppose I should update my profile~
I passed 3000 comments yesterday, most of which were added in the last, oh, 6 months or so. Amazing how engaged I’ve gotten in the place recently.
159 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:26:26am |
re: #156 Aceofwhat?
Thanks for the congratulatory ding! And, yes, that is one of the up-sides. Too bad I don’t usually say enough of substance to build a fuller picture of my thought process! LOL
160 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:28:45am |
re: #158 thedopefishlives
Most of mine have been in recent months, too. I’ve been around since some time in ‘02 or ‘03, but mostly as a lurker/reader. It’s been nice to engage - so far, I’ve not been rapped on the knuckles by big brother here at work, so maybe I can keep multi-tasking. I’m usually watching threads and commenting while doing about three or more other tasks.
161 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:29:11am |
re: #155 SasyMomaCat
‘morning!
If my cat’s eyes were that color it would freak me out. Good looking cat though.
162 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:29:41am |
re: #151 Aceofwhat?
Subways are running - but they’ve reduced the express trains. NYC subways actually have quite a bit of above ground track - and if the snow gets above 10-13 inches, it will block the third rail shutting service. With the amounts they’re predicting, that’s going to happen later today. The commuter rail lines are canceling trains and consolidating service, but they will probably cancel even more trains as the conditions go downhill.
With the NYC public schools closed today, there’s a whole lot fewer people on the road - since that’s a pretty good gauge of just how serious the snow is; it’s only like the 3d time in 10 years that they’ve closed the schools for snow. A blizzard warning will do that (in effect until early tomorrow AM). This is a classic Nor’easter.
163 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:29:53am |
re: #160 SasyMomaCat
Most of my job is spent waiting, so while I’m waiting on … whatever, I post. My desktop has about 10 different windows across 2 screens, and almost all of them are busy at any given time.
164 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:30:12am |
re: #161 Locker
thanks - it’s nearly my natural eye color (if you tone it down a touch) - as for the cat, it’s a random pic from somewhere on the internet. I thought it matched the user name nicely.
165 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:31:07am |
re: #163 thedopefishlives
Now that is really multi-tasking! What do you do when half of them finish at the same time?
166 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:31:09am |
Dear East Coast,
I’m flying out there Friday. Get your shit together with the snow already. It’s just fluffy frozen water.
Thanks,
Darth.
(Mornin’ everyone)
167 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:31:39am |
re: #162 lawhawk
Subways are running - but they’ve reduced the express trains. NYC subways actually have quite a bit of above ground track - and if the snow gets above 10-13 inches, it will block the third rail shutting service. With the amounts they’re predicting, that’s going to happen later today. The commuter rail lines are canceling trains and consolidating service, but they will probably cancel even more trains as the conditions go downhill.
With the NYC public schools closed today, there’s a whole lot fewer people on the road - since that’s a pretty good gauge of just how serious the snow is; it’s only like the 3d time in 10 years that they’ve closed the schools for snow. A blizzard warning will do that (in effect until early tomorrow AM). This is a classic Nor’easter.
My sister is up in Nyack and she’s all sacked in with food and movies for the kids. Honestly I don’t think she minds this at all.
169 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:31:53am |
re: #162 lawhawk
i heard that stat about school closings on NPR this morning. closing them is the right thing to do - he’s thinking about how hard it will be to get the kids home, not just getting the kids to work.
i didn’t realize that much of the rail system was aboveground.
170 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:32:17am |
re: #165 SasyMomaCat
Now that is really multi-tasking! What do you do when half of them finish at the same time?
Roll a die and pick one to work on at random.
171 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:32:28am |
re: #166 darthstar
Memo to darthstar:
If you’re flying into NYC and points north, you’ll be good to go.
Philly and south? You’re on your own.
/and no, I’m not kidding.
172 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:32:34am |
re: #163 thedopefishlives
Most of my job is spent waiting, so while I’m waiting on … whatever, I post. My desktop has about 10 different windows across 2 screens, and almost all of them are busy at any given time.
Me too…vmware is your friend. When people ask me what I do for a living, I tell them I’m a typist. I sit. I type. I get paid.
173 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:32:58am |
re: #164 SasyMomaCat
thanks - it’s nearly my natural eye color (if you tone it down a touch) - as for the cat, it’s a random pic from somewhere on the internet. I thought it matched the user name nicely.
I bet you always had to play the gypsy woman in the school plays. My eyes are extremely blue but those are basically supernatural. Hard to resist for the bad boys :-)
174 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:33:04am |
re: #170 thedopefishlives
makes sense - gotta have some kind of system, eh?
175 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:33:06am |
re: #166 darthstar
Dear East Coast,
I’m flying out there Friday. Get your shit together with the snow already. It’s just fluffy frozen water.
Thanks,
Darth.(Mornin’ everyone)
Ha! I was wondering where you’d be, and how unimpressed you’d be with the whole deal. Morning-
176 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:33:45am |
re: #172 darthstar
Me too…vmware is your friend. When people ask me what I do for a living, I tell them I’m a typist. I sit. I type. I get paid.
I tell people I break things for a living. They get real interested at that point, but too bad it’s just a hook. The only thing I break is computer programs.
177 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:34:30am |
re: #148 cliffster
Sounds about like Austin. Make that every 5 years or so, and that’s us. For anything that sticks, anyways. It might snow a tiny little dusting, that never even thinks about sticking on the ground, more often.
It’s freezing right now though. Good cold winter this year. Kill off all the fleas.
In the South, it can make or break the pear and apple tree yields. Without enough cold hours, we get nothing.
178 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:34:39am |
re: #173 Locker
LOL - no, I missed most school plays because practice was almost invariably on a “church night.” And Dad would have had a hissy fit if I had played any part that dealt with “dark magic.” We were funny like that.
179 | srb1976 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:34:51am |
Ok, kids up and getting ready to go, I plan on earning my bad mother merit badge by taking them to daycare even though I have the day off (heh) In the hopes of getting the mountain of laundry whittled down = )
180 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:35:12am |
re: #173 Locker
I bet you always had to play the gypsy woman in the school plays. My eyes are extremely blue but those are basically supernatural. Hard to resist for the bad boys :-)
Unnaturally bright blue eyes are hypnotic and magnetic, yes. Once dated a girl whose natural color was closer to purple than i’ve ever seen. She was a full-on crazy person, and i stuck around waaay longer than i should have because of the eye-color hypnosis thing.
181 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:35:18am |
re: #176 thedopefishlives
I tell people I break things for a living. They get real interested at that point, but too bad it’s just a hook. The only thing I break is computer programs.
I knew it! You broke my forking SQL Server! I’m NOT paying a ransom in pot brownies this time you are just going to have to settle for bagels and lox.
182 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:35:25am |
re: #171 lawhawk
Memo to darthstar:
If you’re flying into NYC and points north, you’ll be good to go.Philly and south? You’re on your own.
/and no, I’m not kidding.
NYC. Flying out for my mother in law’s surprise 70th birthday party. A night at the hyatt, nice dinner, Saturday matinee on Broadway (Hair!), then off to mom’s party and a couple of days of visiting before flying home Tuesday.
183 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:35:44am |
re: #173 Locker
Although, I did attract a couple of bad boys in my time. ;)
184 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:35:52am |
re: #181 Locker
I knew it! You broke my forking SQL Server! I’m NOT paying a ransom in pot brownies this time you are just going to have to settle for bagels and lox.
Mmmmmm, bagels.
185 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:36:13am |
re: #182 darthstar
NYC. Flying out for my mother in law’s surprise 70th birthday party. A night at the hyatt, nice dinner, Saturday matinee on Broadway (Hair!), then off to mom’s party and a couple of days of visiting before flying home Tuesday.
Ugh. Hair. You’re a good husband.
186 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:36:22am |
Good Morning Fellow Lizards. Philly is in a blizzard warning. I am going to stay on-line as long as possible.
188 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:36:49am |
re: #181 Locker
I knew it! You broke my forking SQL Server! I’m NOT paying a ransom in pot brownies this time you are just going to have to settle for bagels and lox.
I can tell you what broke your sql server - starting it up.
189 | Political Atheist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:36:54am |
Good morning-Respects to the snowpocalypse folks this morning. I saw a similar sky to CJ’s photograph last evening. From horizon to horizon it was beautiful with the sunset just getting out from under the clouds the last 10 minutes.
Heh, I was out lens shopping and did not have my camera. Good news-I put a Tamron 10-25mm lens on order. W00T! I took a shot of the pretty sky but from the camera store the sky is all urban power company. Gonna be fun to try at the Key Club.
190 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:36:55am |
re: #61 MandyManners
SNIP
Desmond Travers
Travers, therefore, began this inquiry with his mind made up. Events in Gaza - Israeli actions, not some abstraction - had “shocked him.” He had already called for a commission to hold criminals “to account.” Account for what he had already decided were crimes that had occurred. He had already decided that “gross violations of the laws of war,” “gross violations of international humanitarian law,” “targeting of civilians,” and “crimes perpetuated against civilians” had been committed.
191 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:37:39am |
re: #186 PhillyPretzel
sounds like a good plan. Oh, and, good morning!
192 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:37:52am |
194 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:38:14am |
re: #180 Aceofwhat?
Unnaturally bright blue eyes are hypnotic and magnetic, yes. Once dated a girl whose natural color was closer to purple than i’ve ever seen. She was a full-on crazy person, and i stuck around waaay longer than i should have because of the eye-color hypnosis thing.
My first marriage revolved around a similar relationship. I can’t say my two primal rules have ever changed though.
1. The amount of crazy a guy is willing to put up with from a woman is directly proportional to how attractive he finds her.
2. Crazy girls are better in bed. Way less inhibitions.
Relatively sane girls should not take offense. Some of us are just drawn to challenging and exciting circumstances. You know, like a moth to a raging inferno.
196 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:38:25am |
re: #176 thedopefishlives
I tell people I break things for a living. They get real interested at that point, but too bad it’s just a hook. The only thing I break is computer programs.
I used to say that too. Then I realized it was the developers that actually broke things. Otherwise, my scripts would run just fine. ;)
198 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:39:01am |
re: #182 darthstar
You should be good to go once the airlines get their schedules back in order. Manhattan does a pretty good job clearing snow, and I’ve heard great things about Hair. Have fun!
199 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:39:18am |
re: #185 Aceofwhat?
Ugh. Hair. You’re a good husband.
My choice! When I was a kid, my parents got the LP of Hair…I memorized every song on it.
200 | Political Atheist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:39:24am |
re: #195 SasyMomaCat
And congrats on 500 comments. And good karma too!
201 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:39:58am |
re: #191 SasyMomaCat
Thanks. I was surprised to have a day off with pay for today. I figured that staying home and being on the internet was the best bet.
202 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:40:35am |
re: #200 Rightwingconspirator
Thanks! One of these days I’ll start saying things significant enough that maybe my karma will pass my comment count! LOL
203 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:41:00am |
re: #201 PhillyPretzel
‘specially when you can spend it here with the lizards!
204 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:41:29am |
re: #202 SasyMomaCat
Thanks! One of these days I’ll start saying things significant enough that maybe my karma will pass my comment count! LOL
Bad puns—that’s the ticket.
205 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:42:29am |
re: #192 thedopefishlives
Someone who gets it.
Laugh what do you two want huh? Reliability or job security? Personally I’m here to get paid.. I hope this shit keeps breaking forever .
206 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:42:47am |
re: #204 Decatur Deb
LOL - I’m not nearly witty enough to pull that off - but thanks for the advice. I do enjoy a good pun thread, though. It’s always interesting to see just how far they can go.
207 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:42:50am |
re: #203 SasyMomaCat
True. Oh darn I hear sleet on the window. This is going to be one heck of a mess.
208 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:43:17am |
re: #205 Locker
Laugh what do you two want huh? Reliability or job security? Personally I’m here to get paid.. I hope this shit keeps breaking forever .
Hey, I’m not complaining, either. Every computer program bug is another day’s work, and with a brand-new mortgage to support, I definitely am NOT complaining.
209 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:43:36am |
re: #199 darthstar
My choice! When I was a kid, my parents got the LP of Hair…I memorized every song on it.
When I was a kid, this is what my dad would have said if I had done that.
210 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:43:46am |
More from Travers.
We found no evidence that Hamas used civilians as hostages. I had expected to find such evidence but did not. We also found no evidence that mosques were used to store munitions. SNIP
Anyone else remember the real-time footage we saw of Hamas fighters surrounded by civilians? Of munitions being stored in mosques?
211 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:44:12am |
re: #207 PhillyPretzel
Good reason to stay in even longer. Got chili fixin’s in the fridge? This is great weather for chili (or beef stew, or just about any hearty homemade soup)
212 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:44:56am |
re: #211 SasyMomaCat
Good reason to stay in even longer. Got chili fixin’s in the fridge? This is great weather for chili (or beef stew, or just about any hearty homemade soup)
Stop you are making me hungry. I have this killer vegetable, beef and barley soup which doesn’t even take very long. Bake a loaf of bread with it and booya, instant snow day goodness.
213 | Political Atheist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:45:07am |
re: #202 SasyMomaCat
Some here manage to do that. I chit chat too much for that to happen to me. I seem to have the deep thoughts on the fastest thread.
Took me 20 minutes to answer a gentle demand to clarify(abortion thread) from our host. Talk about PIMF.
:) Preview was my brother there for a few.
214 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:45:28am |
re: #210 MandyManners
He went in wearing ideological blinders.
216 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:46:04am |
re: #199 darthstar
My choice! When I was a kid, my parents got the LP of Hair…I memorized every song on it.
Ha! It’s funny how much of what we grow up with influences our tastes later on. I have contrarian broadway tastes, though - i didn’t like Cats or Rent either. Come to think of it, i’m more of an off-broadway person. Having been an aspiring actor who couldn’t sing, i never did get into the musical genre. Call it jealousy…
217 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:47:00am |
re: #210 MandyManners
More from Travers.
Anyone else remember the real-time footage we saw of Hamas fighters surrounded by civilians? Of munitions being stored in mosques?
yep. what a gem, this guy.
218 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:47:10am |
For some reason I always want my mom’s baked macaroni and cheese when it’s cold outside. She needs to come off that recipe but she’s stubborn like that.
219 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:48:10am |
re: #215 SasyMomaCat
When should I be there for dinner? :)
I would need you to come for dinner to help eat it. My wife doesn’t like mushrooms (1lb in the recipe) and my daughter is a veg. I can’t really eat a whole pot of soup and freezing is out of the question as our freezer is dominated by 250 jimmy dean’s breakfast sandwiches.
220 | Political Atheist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:48:28am |
re: #210 MandyManners
YES damn it. I guess he only watches Al Jazeera. Lets send him a freaking link to the IDF youtube channel shall we?
221 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:48:48am |
re: #210 MandyManners
More from Travers.
Anyone else remember the real-time footage we saw of Hamas fighters surrounded by civilians? Of munitions being stored in mosques?
Yes, shakes head. The IDF creates the video, and puts it on YouTube, but that is not good enough.
Makes me sick. You can just see the corruption… right in front of you and you can’t do anything.
222 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:48:52am |
re: #216 Aceofwhat?
Ha! It’s funny how much of what we grow up with influences our tastes later on. I have contrarian broadway tastes, though - i didn’t like Cats or Rent either. Come to think of it, i’m more of an off-broadway person. Having been an aspiring actor who couldn’t sing, i never did get into the musical genre. Call it jealousy…
I really liked Rent but Avenue Q is tops with me. My is nutzo for Jersey Boys. She’s probably seen it 15 times all over the country.
223 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:49:00am |
re: #210 MandyManners
Absolutely. From day 1, Hamas told its thugs to take off their uniforms and blend in with the civilian population.
Hamas fired mortars from outside schools, and used UN offices as cover.
224 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:49:06am |
re: #213 Rightwingconspirator
Ya, most of my input is chit-chat, too. I have found the same thing as you - when I find myself typing a thoughtful reply to something of import, it takes a little time to make sure I am saying it clearly and not inserting catch phrases that might obscure my thoughts. That, and by the time I post those thoughts, the conversation has often moved on to other things (or emotionally charged, which is always dangerous.)
225 | laZardo Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:49:20am |
re: #210 MandyManners
We found no evidence that Hamas used civilians as hostages. I had expected to find such evidence but did not. We also found no evidence that mosques were used to store munitions. Those charges reflect Western perceptions in some quarters that Islam is a violent religion.
Goddammit.
226 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:50:17am |
re: #218 Locker
Have you tried Patti LaBelle’s Over the Rainbow maccaroni & cheese? (recipezaar.com) It might offer a reasonable substitute until you can talk your mom out of her recipe …
227 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:50:27am |
The latest step — an order on Sunday to begin enriching uranium to 20 percent — would not itself produce nuclear fuel that could be easily used in a bomb, which generally requires uranium enriched to 90 percent. But the technical leap required to get to 90 percent from 20 percent is relatively straightforward, the specialists say, because enriching uranium in machines known as centrifuges becomes easier at higher levels.
SNIP
Nuclear experts said that the low level of enrichment of Iran’s existing uranium stock gave the West some assurance that it would take time for Iran to develop a bomb. Every new step toward higher enrichment erodes that margin of comfort.
“The higher the concentration, the easier it gets,” said Houston G. Wood III, a centrifuge expert at the University of Virginia.
The reason lies in the great scarcity of the type of atoms that engineers seek to enrich, or concentrate. Uranium 235 — the kind that easily splits in two, or fissions, in bursts of atomic energy — makes up less than 1 percent of all natural uranium, and engineers spin centrifuges at very high speeds to separate out that rare form.
The early stages of enrichment require more work because so much uranium must be sorted. Mr. Kemp of Princeton likened the process to hunting through a barrel full of blue candies to find a few red ones. “You have to search and search and search,” he said, adding that the hunt gets easier as the number of blue candies falls.
So too with uranium 235. Going from the natural state of 0.7 percent enrichment to roughly 4 percent — as Iran has been doing for years at Natanz in defiance of the United Nations Security Council — requires about 70 percent of the energy needed to concentrate the uranium to the high levels considered necessary for a bomb. Going to 20 percent takes 90 percent of the total energy required — almost to the finish line.
SNIP
228 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:50:41am |
re: #216 Aceofwhat?
Ha! It’s funny how much of what we grow up with influences our tastes later on. I have contrarian broadway tastes, though - i didn’t like Cats or Rent either. Come to think of it, i’m more of an off-broadway person. Having been an aspiring actor who couldn’t sing, i never did get into the musical genre. Call it jealousy…
I liked Cats…didn’t want to see Rent (just didn’t interest me). But a good musical is always fun.
Ooh…it’s bright enough outside to run with the dogs now. Back in a half hour.
229 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:50:42am |
re: #224 SasyMomaCat
Ya, most of my input is chit-chat, too. I have found the same thing as you - when I find myself typing a thoughtful reply to something of import, it takes a little time to make sure I am saying it clearly and not inserting catch phrases that might obscure my thoughts. That, and by the time I post those thoughts, the conversation has often moved on to other things (or emotionally charged, which is always dangerous.)
Yea but dangerous is fun on the interwebz. Just let it splatter all over the place and see what sticks. That method works for a LOT of people ‘round these parts… but not me of course ;-)
230 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:51:49am |
231 | laZardo Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:51:53am |
re: #229 Locker
Yea but dangerous is fun on the interwebz. Just let it splatter all over the place and see what sticks. That method works for a LOT of people ‘round these parts… but not me of course ;-)
That’s because a LOT of people end up going blind.
232 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:52:10am |
re: #219 Locker
LOL - well, sounds like you don’t get to eat it very often. But it sounds good enough to be worth investing in either a chest or upright freezer (if you’ve got the space). You could fill it up with single servings of your favorite soups! LOL
233 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:52:17am |
re: #226 SasyMomaCat
Have you tried Patti LaBelle’s Over the Rainbow maccaroni & cheese? (recipezaar.com) It might offer a reasonable substitute until you can talk your mom out of her recipe …
Oh I’m all over that thanks for the link. I use a bunch of sites from foodtv.com which has a recipe box to store favorites to the America’s test kitchen site which combines recipes from a few different shows/sources to create a really big library. Additionally I just started checking out allrecipes.com but man that’s a ton of content.
234 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:52:33am |
235 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:52:41am |
re: #224 SasyMomaCat
Ya, most of my input is chit-chat, too. I have found the same thing as you - when I find myself typing a thoughtful reply to something of import, it takes a little time to make sure I am saying it clearly and not inserting catch phrases that might obscure my thoughts. That, and by the time I post those thoughts, the conversation has often moved on to other things (or emotionally charged, which is always dangerous.)
If I get involved in anything but jokes, I find I miss 3/4 of the thread comments.
236 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:52:55am |
re: #219 Locker
I would need you to come for dinner to help eat it. My wife doesn’t like mushrooms (1lb in the recipe) and my daughter is a veg. I can’t really eat a whole pot of soup and freezing is out of the question as our freezer is dominated by 250 jimmy dean’s breakfast sandwiches.
It’s good that you have your priorities straight
237 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:54:18am |
re: #233 Locker
Cook’s Illustrated is a good start if you want to learn more about cooking.
238 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:54:26am |
re: #236 cliffster
It’s good that you have your priorities straight
I agree. A Jimmy Deans for breakfast at less than a dollar plus a Costco brand vitamin water for less than a dollar is much better than the five bucks I was spending every day on breakfast downtown. Shit is tight around here, that’s for sure.
239 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:55:00am |
re: #222 Locker
I really liked Rent but Avenue Q is tops with me. My is nutzo for Jersey Boys. She’s probably seen it 15 times all over the country.
I’m a sucker for all things Steven Sondheim, personally. I got to play John Wilkes Booth for a scene (from the play Assassins) at the Cleveland Theater Conference. Loved it. Sucks that i can’t sing-
240 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:55:20am |
re: #229 Locker
Yea but dangerous is fun on the interwebz. Just let it splatter all over the place and see what sticks. That method works for a LOT of people ‘round these parts… but not me of course ;-)
re: #231 laZardo
That’s because a LOT of people end up going blind.
I’ve seen exchanges go ugly just because commenters made an obvious misinterpretation of a remark. There’s no calling it back, though.
241 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:55:42am |
re: #239 Aceofwhat?
I’m a sucker for all things Steven Sondheim, personally. I got to play John Wilkes Booth for a scene (from the play Assassins) at the Cleveland Theater Conference. Loved it. Sucks that i can’t sing-
Laugh, I can’t sing either but that sounds like it was amazingly fun. Did the nerves jump around or were you just able to enjoy the entire experience?
242 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:56:59am |
re: #229 Locker
LOL - well, passionate is good - and it can certainly help in making your case. But it’s also really easy to devolve into some really bad territory. Folks react poorly when they perceive you to be picking on their sacred cows (whether you are or not). And, for most folks in these parts, I have a great deal of respect for them and try to express that respect in the way I interact with them. I don’t back down, but I try to divorce my thoughts from my emotions enough to see the other guy’s point of view, even if I don’t agree with it. I have been know to change my mind from time to time.
243 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:57:14am |
re: #220 Rightwingconspirator
YES damn it. I guess he only watches Al Jazeera. Lets send him a freaking link to the IDF youtube channel shall we?
He’d dismiss it as a pack of lies. In one piece I read early this morning, he claimed that there were undercover Jews in Gaza fomenting trouble during the war.
Also, as I posted in No. 61, he claimed that Hamas did not shoot more than two rockets into Israel before the war.
He wouldn’t know the truth if it bit him on his ass.
245 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:57:41am |
re: #234 MandyManners
It’s no mark of sanity that Israel is the biggest “offender” by volume at that building.
246 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:57:57am |
re: #221 Buck
Yes, shakes head. The IDF creates the video, and puts it on YouTube, but that is not good enough.
Makes me sick. You can just see the corruption… right in front of you and you can’t do anything.
I should’ve addressed No. 243 to you, too.
247 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:58:24am |
re: #238 Locker
I agree. A Jimmy Deans for breakfast at less than a dollar plus a Costco brand vitamin water for less than a dollar is much better than the five bucks I was spending every day on breakfast downtown. Shit is tight around here, that’s for sure.
Updinged for Costco
248 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:58:25am |
re: #242 SasyMomaCat
Hehe yea I was just teasing you and mocking me. I respect restrain but my emulation is poor.
249 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:59:04am |
re: #233 Locker
I prefer recipezaar over allrecipes, but that’s just personal preference. I like the rating system at recipezaar and have been pleased with most of the recipes I’ve pulled from there.
enjoy!
250 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:59:15am |
re: #223 lawhawk
Absolutely. From day 1, Hamas told its thugs to take off their uniforms and blend in with the civilian population.
Hamas fired mortars from outside schools, and used UN offices as cover.
Travers, et al., are not ignorant. They are complicit.
251 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:59:28am |
re: #241 Locker
Laugh, I can’t sing either but that sounds like it was amazingly fun. Did the nerves jump around or were you just able to enjoy the entire experience?
I love acting because i can channel the nerves. It’s a huge rush. I worked for a long time on the southern drawl - not having to fumble with an accent lets you focus on the moment and focus on all of the other little mannerisms that bring the character to life.
252 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:59:38am |
re: #235 Decatur Deb
Which is difficult, when you’re trying to keep up and multi-task!
254 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:59:47am |
re: #249 SasyMomaCat
I prefer recipezaar over allrecipes, but that’s just personal preference. I like the rating system at recipezaar and have been pleased with most of the recipes I’ve pulled from there.
enjoy!
Actually I’d never heard of that one before so thanks for the information. I’m already on there poking around. Mmmm new recipes!
255 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 6:59:52am |
re: #243 MandyManners
He’d dismiss it as a pack of lies. In one piece I read early this morning, he claimed that there were undercover Jews in Gaza fomenting trouble during the war.
Also, as I posted in No. 61, he claimed that Hamas did not shoot more than two rockets into Israel before the war.
He wouldn’t know the truth if it bit him on his ass.
Remember that palestinian tv broadcast that gets interrupted by a rocket being fired from the parking lot below?
256 | srb1976 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:00:43am |
Truck warming up….children dressed….my evil plan is working so far..
257 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:00:50am |
re: #238 Locker
For what it’s worth, the Great Value brand (Walmart generic) is even cheaper and almost as good as the JD.
258 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:02:01am |
Locker, I usually stock up on most household items at BJ’s. They are pretty in the price dept.
259 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:02:37am |
re: #240 Decatur Deb
ding - that’s the thing that causes me to take so much time - trying to say things in a way that is clear enough that people from differing POVs don’t misunderstand my intent.
260 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:03:55am |
re: #248 Locker
It’s all good - :) I figured there was a little friendly jab in there ;)
261 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:04:26am |
re: #255 Buck
Remember that palestinian tv broadcast that gets interrupted by a rocket being fired from the parking lot below?
I’d forgotten about that one!
262 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:04:29am |
re: #251 Aceofwhat?
I love acting because i can channel the nerves. It’s a huge rush. I worked for a long time on the southern drawl - not having to fumble with an accent lets you focus on the moment and focus on all of the other little mannerisms that bring the character to life.
My wife received the entire Seinfeld collection as a gift for Christmas. One of the bonus features was this long segment on how the cast Jason Alexander as George, why they needed a strong actor to play opposite a comedian (Jerry) and how Jason auditioned with a Woody Allen impression and ended up doing a Larry David impression when they started shooting.
It was very interesting listening to Jason describe how he combines elements to create a character. Not something I have the talent to do, for sure, but it’s amazing to see someone with the talent and control to pull it off well.
263 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:04:39am |
re: #255 Buck
Remember that palestinian tv broadcast that gets interrupted by a rocket being fired from the parking lot below?
264 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:04:51am |
re: #258 PhillyPretzel
Locker, I usually stock up on most household items at BJ’s. They are pretty in the price dept.
I love BJ’s
266 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:06:21am |
re: #264 cliffster
Yes I have a couple in my area. They are a little neater in how they display their items than Sam’s Club.
267 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:06:26am |
re: #261 MandyManners
I’d forgotten about that one!
That alone is evidence that they fired from civilian areas.
WTF?
269 | Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:06:39am |
Snowed in again. I should have bought liquor instead of beer last night.
270 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:06:41am |
Hey Morning Lizards!
Still on my first cuppa.
How are you-all?
271 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:07:07am |
re: #257 SasyMomaCat
For what it’s worth, the Great Value brand (Walmart generic) is even cheaper and almost as good as the JD.
Thanks for the information. Unfortunately my family doesn’t shop at Walmart or Sam’s Club on ethical grounds so I won’t be able to take advantage. I do enjoy buying larger amounts for a lesser price. Your freezer idea had me on on Sears.com looking at small chest freezers. Found a Frigidaire and a Whirlpool that looked good for between 200 and 400 bucks. Might go for it.
272 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:08:29am |
re: #262 Locker
I love watching Jason talk about how he slowly realized that he was in effect playing Larry. there’s this scene, i forget which one, that Jason was struggling with. He told Larry “no one would ever react this way, i can’t make this believable.” Larry said “I did that”, at which point Jason realized that (a) Larry was a crazy person and (b) the character of George was not-too-loosely based on what really goes on in Larry’s head.
Watching Curb Your Enthusiasm is a combination of funny and creepy, because you know that 75% of that is completely in character for Larry…
273 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:09:07am |
re: #258 PhillyPretzel
Locker, I usually stock up on most household items at BJ’s. They are pretty in the price dept.
Yea no BJ’s out here in California. Which is weird because I live in like the retail capitol of suburbia. We get almost every new franchise first out here.
274 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:09:24am |
re: #271 Locker
I think Consumer Reports had some reviews of freezers a little while ago. It might make sense to look it up.
275 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:10:01am |
re: #268 Decatur Deb
Too easy.
Take ‘em when you can get ‘em. There’s a whole chain of convenience stores in Oklahoma called Kum and Go. I kid you not. I can’t figure out whether they are just morons, or if they are catering to the male population.
Looks like they have a website.. this is a real convenience store chain
276 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:10:18am |
re: #267 Buck
That alone is evidence that they fired from civilian areas.
[Video]
WTF?
I don’t speak Arabic.
277 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:11:24am |
re: #271 Locker
You might see if there is a local dealer that handles “scratch and dent” merchandise - you can sometimes get a fantastic deal with only some minor cosmetic issue that often won’t show after installation. And, if the thing is going in the garage or basement, then that’s not even an issue.
278 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:11:40am |
re: #276 MandyManners
I don’t speak Arabic.
here is the one with subtitles…
I think the guy could find an interpreter…
279 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:12:09am |
re: #272 Aceofwhat?
Yea I saw them have the conversation you mentioned and later on Curb they did it up right. Jason kept calling George pathetic and Larry is like “he’s not pathetic he’s funny!”. Jason says, “He ate an eclaire from the trash can” and Larry replies, “I ATE AN ECLAIRE FROM THE TRASHCAN!” and they go through about 5 different things Jason thought were pathetic and to every single one Larry is like I DID THAT! ARE YOU CALLING ME PATHETIC?!
Fucking….hilarious.
280 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:12:25am |
re: #277 SasyMomaCat
Now I forgot about that. That is a good idea.
281 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:13:09am |
re: #274 PhillyPretzel
I think Consumer Reports had some reviews of freezers a little while ago. It might make sense to look it up.
Yea good idea as I have a CR online account. My big problem with them is that normally the reviews I’m looking at are between 1.5 and 3 years old so it’s a difficult when the models change so fast.
282 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:13:42am |
re: #275 cliffster
That’s a riot. I take it BJ’s is a retail chain? (Costco ads keep breaking through my spam filters, and they don’t have a store within a hundred miles, as far as I know.)
284 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:13:55am |
re: #278 Buck
here is the one with subtitles…
[Video]
I think the guy could find an interpreter…
She seems nervous.
285 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:14:15am |
Gonna’ start yet another day of laundry. bbiab
287 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:14:42am |
re: #281 Locker
Yes. It is difficult to keep up with the changes.
288 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:16:24am |
re: #275 cliffster
Take ‘em when you can get ‘em. There’s a whole chain of convenience stores in Oklahoma called Kum and Go. I kid you not. I can’t figure out whether they are just morons, or if they are catering to the male population.
Looks like they have a website.. this is a real convenience store chain
Bahaha that is too funny man. I just sent that link all over work and 4 folks already replied that it has to be fake. Nice one.
290 | Jadespring Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:19:15am |
re: #283 SasyMomaCat
I’m all about cheap :D
I get a lot of things from auctions. I got a 4 year old freezer for 20 bucks. My dining set is handmade and cost me a whole 10 bucks.
292 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:21:02am |
re: #290 Jadespring
Hmm. I had not thought of that one. I have to check the local papers for auctions.
293 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:21:14am |
re: #288 Locker
Bahaha that is too funny man. I just sent that link all over work and 4 folks already replied that it has to be fake. Nice one.
Real, like Dolly Parton. That’s Oklahoma for you.
294 | laZardo Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:21:18am |
re: #253 MandyManners
Got you going, too, I see.
Whooyeah.
Better keep the Iran watch going, big protests planned for tomorrow as it’s the 31st anniversary of the Revolution.
295 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:21:32am |
Gotta run for now, guys - stuff piling up beyond my ability to keep up with the conversation. BBL - have a great day!
296 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:22:27am |
re: #295 SasyMomaCat
Gotta run for now, guys - stuff piling up beyond my ability to keep up with the conversation. BBL - have a great day!
have a good day, crazy-eyed cat girl
297 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:23:19am |
re: #294 laZardo
Oh my G-d. There will be lots coming from that area because of that.
298 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:24:18am |
I think it stopped snowing in Chicagoland. Wasn’t sure it ever would.
299 | laZardo Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:24:56am |
re: #297 PhillyPretzel
Oh yeah. Expecting shit to hit the fan real messy this time, though I’m just surprised they’ve still had the determination to keep going.
300 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:25:28am |
re: #298 ggt
Got sleet right now in Philly. Blizzard coming later today.
301 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:26:38am |
re: #299 laZardo
I try to keep up with what is going on in the Middle East. It is not easy.
302 | Jadespring Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:27:06am |
re: #292 PhillyPretzel
Hmm. I had not thought of that one. I have to check the local papers for auctions.
Yeah you can get some really good things especially if you get to know whats generally sold and the general tastes of people who attend. The dining set was incredible. It just happened that no one else there wanted it. I felt almost guilty because it was so cheap.
Other amazing deals I’ve gotten was at a home store that was auctioning off surplus and this that had been turned back in for one reason or another. I got a set of brand new maple kitchen cabinets that were brought back because there was something wrong with the measurements. They were worth close to two grand and I got them for 350. I also got about three grand worth of hardwood flooring for around 500. My hubby installed it last week and it’s beautiful. I could never afford floors like that if I had to buy it retail.
304 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:31:37am |
re: #301 PhillyPretzel
I try to keep up with what is going on in the Middle East. It is not easy.
Cliff Notes version
Israel is there
Arabs are pissed!
305 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:31:53am |
re: #293 cliffster
Real, like Dolly Parton. That’s Oklahoma for you.
Ahaha that made me think of a reference, which you won’t get if you don’t watch The Venture Brothers however…. Dr Venture is all jazzed to sit down and watch a racy flick… later you see him complaining that The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas is the Worst Porno Ever!
306 | PT Barnum Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:32:19am |
re: #293 cliffster
Real, like Dolly Parton. That’s Oklahoma for you.
Actually it’s real. Kum and Go is a well known convenience store chain around here. Started out as Krause Gentle Oil.
Around here we call it ejaculate and evacuate.
308 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:33:08am |
re: #302 Jadespring
Yeah you can get some really good things especially if you get to know whats generally sold and the general tastes of people who attend. The dining set was incredible. It just happened that no one else there wanted it. I felt almost guilty because it was so cheap.
Other amazing deals I’ve gotten was at a home store that was auctioning off surplus and this that had been turned back in for one reason or another. I got a set of brand new maple kitchen cabinets that were brought back because there was something wrong with the measurements. They were worth close to two grand and I got them for 350. I also got about three grand worth of hardwood flooring for around 500. My hubby installed it last week and it’s beautiful. I could never afford floors like that if I had to buy it retail.
We used to go to a particular auction every Thursday. It was a regular night out, and out $100 a week habit….Bought a lot of junk, but got a lot of good deals as well. Best deal was a brand new king mattress with split box (brand name still in the clear plastic) for $200.
Of course when we got it home we needed all new sheets,,, and that meant new curtains… might as well paint the walls while we are at it… new carpet for the floor… real cost $3K… but hey the mattress was such a good deal…
310 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:33:29am |
re: #26 Varek Raith
Earthquake rattles northern Illinois
Any lizards there feel it?
Nope. I slept right through it.
311 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:35:02am |
re: #306 PT Barnum
Actually it’s real. Kum and Go is a well known convenience store chain around here. Started out as Krause Gentle Oil.
Around here we call it ejaculate and evacuate.
Yeah, I’m up in OK quite a bit (visiting in-laws) so I see them all the time. I never heard the nickname for it. Nice
312 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:35:05am |
Gen. Ismail Ahmadi Moghaddam says people accused of planning demonstrations were among those arrested. But Moghaddam (Mo-GHA-dam) did not give any specific figures Wednesday on the number of arrests, according to the semiofficial Fars news agency.
Iranian officials are vowing to crush any anti-government rallies Thursday that could mar state-backed celebrations for the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic Revolution. But opposition Web sites are appealing for a large turnout.
SNIP
313 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:35:48am |
re: #306 PT Barnum
btw - Dolly Parton is all natural. You didn’t know that??
314 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:36:24am |
re: #313 cliffster
btw - Dolly Parton is all natural. You didn’t know that??
Might have been at the start, but she has had ‘work’ since.
Sorry…
315 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:36:30am |
re: #312 MandyManners
IIRC, the NYT reported this morning that Iran has arrested more than 2,000 since December.
316 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:36:44am |
re: #312 MandyManners
SNIP
If the opposition is smart, they’ll take the hint and stay home. No point in showing up when all you’ll get is a beatdown.
317 | laZardo Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:36:59am |
re: #312 MandyManners
People in Iran have been “gassed, arrested, beaten up and shot” since its disputed presidential election in June, Limbert told reporters. “The U.S. and the international community can bear witness to what is going on there, and can speak a simple truth.”
It’s all Israel’s fault.
/
//cannot seriously believe that there are people that…seriously believe that.
318 | PT Barnum Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:37:08am |
re: #313 cliffster
btw - Dolly Parton is all natural. You didn’t know that??
HEH…was talking about Kum and Go. It was started in Iowa about 60 miles north of where I live.
319 | laZardo Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:37:35am |
re: #318 PT Barnum
HEH…was talking about Kum and Go. It was started in Iowa about 60 miles north of where I live.
Then it just trickled down to where you were and the whole state caught it.
320 | Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:38:20am |
re: #314 Buck
Might have been at the start, but she has had ‘work’ since.
Sorry…
Dolly says it best with this quote, “You’d be surprised how much it costs to look this cheap!”
321 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:39:29am |
re: #320 Mad Al-Jaffee
Dolly says it best with this quote, “You’d be surprised how much it costs to look this cheap!”
She also said, “I’m not offended by dumb blonde jokes because I know that I’m not dumb. I also know I’m not blonde.”
322 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:39:52am |
re: #317 laZardo
It’s all Israel’s fault.
/
//cannot seriously believe that there are people that…seriously believe that.
Believe it.
323 | Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:41:34am |
re: #321 cliffster
She also said, “I’m not offended by dumb blonde jokes because I know that I’m not dumb. I also know I’m not blonde.”
She’s awesome. Most people don’t realize that she’s not just a *ahem* pretty face. She’s a very talented singer and songwriter. Check out her original version of “I’ll Always Love You” sometime.
325 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:42:15am |
re: #323 Mad Al-Jaffee
She’s awesome. Most people don’t realize that she’s not just a *ahem* pretty face. She’s a very talented singer and songwriter. Check out her original version of “I’ll Always Love You” sometime.
I loved her in 9 to 5. She was a killer and no dummy that’s for sure.
326 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:42:22am |
re: #317 laZardo
It’s all Israel’s fault.
/
//cannot seriously believe that there are people that…seriously believe that.
I bet if Iran were to shoot off a nuke at Israel and Israel unleashed the Samsom Option, the UN and its ilk would blame Israel.
327 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:43:14am |
re: #326 MandyManners
Of course. That is how it is done.
328 | Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:45:39am |
329 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:46:45am |
re: #326 MandyManners
I bet if Iran were to shoot off a nuke at Israel and Israel unleashed the Samsom Option, the UN and its ilk would blame Israel.
Before a nation works its way into that kind of situation, it might be a good idea to really explore all the other options.
330 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:46:49am |
Good Morning and Happy Wednesday everyone! I hope every one is feeling well this morning?
331 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:47:00am |
re: #326 MandyManners
I bet if Iran were to shoot off a nuke at Israel and Israel unleashed the Sampson Option, the UN and its ilk would blame Israel.
Um, Mandy, the “Sampson Option” involved nuking the people who gave Iran the bomb, which would likely be Pakistan in this case. Bigel used it to mean nuking Europe, a monstrous position that got him banned.
(I understand that you are not advocating such a thing, I’m just providing background.)
332 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:47:09am |
re: #323 Mad Al-Jaffee
She’s awesome. Most people don’t realize that she’s not just a *ahem* pretty face. She’s a very talented singer and songwriter. Check out her original version of “I’ll Always Love You” sometime.
Not to mention an incredible person
She has a foundation that mails a brand new, age appropriate book each month to every child under 5 in Sevier County Tennessee, Branson Missouri and Myrtle Beach SC on her dime
The program has spread throughout the country
333 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:47:45am |
re: #323 Mad Al-Jaffee
She’s awesome. Most people don’t realize that she’s not just a *ahem* pretty face. She’s a very talented singer and songwriter. Check out her original version of “I’ll Always Love You” sometime.
I’ve always thought her version was superior by far. Much stronger in passion, even if the vocals aren’t as powerful.
334 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:48:23am |
re: #329 Decatur Deb
Before a nation works its way into that kind of situation, it might be a good idea to really explore all the other options.
What other options? The rest of the world isn’t taking the Iranian threat seriously. Unless it does, what options does Israel have other than military action.
335 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:49:10am |
Ever since Israel’s founding, they have been fighting to hold onto what is theirs. And everyone and their “friends” have been saying Israel is at fault for existing. I wish it was not this way, but it is.
336 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:49:44am |
re: #330 Dragon_Lady
Good Morning and Happy Wednesday everyone! I hope every one is feeling well this morning?
Good Morning, Dragonette. I think we are universally cold, but happy.
337 | laZardo Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:49:48am |
re: #334 Dark_Falcon
What other options? The rest of the world isn’t taking the Iranian threat seriously. Unless it does, what options does Israel have other than military action.
How about the nuclear facilities suddenly and “mysteriously” combusting?
/I know it involves some unauthorized use of airspace, but it was hinted by some posters long ago that unofficially, the nations involved look the other way…
338 | Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:49:52am |
re: #333 cliffster
I’ve always thought her version was superior by far. Much stronger in passion, even if the vocals aren’t as powerful.
She makes Whitney Houston look like an American Idol reject.
339 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:49:55am |
re: #326 MandyManners
Of course they would - but that also supposes that Iran would target Israel first. Who’s to say that they wouldn’t target Jeddah, Baghdad, or Cairo as a show of dominance and Shia supremacy over the Sunni majority found elsewhere in the Middle East and around the world. That hatred runs far deeper than the Israel hate.
340 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:50:11am |
re: #330 Dragon_Lady
It is sleeting here in Philly. It is supposed to snow later.
341 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:50:55am |
re: #54 MandyManners
UC-Irvine is back at it.
In the name of demonizing the Jewish state, intimidating its supporters and making it ever more difficult to present Israel’s case, Muslim campaigners and their allies at the UC-Irvine campus on Monday repeatedly disrupted a talk by Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren. Eleven of the louts were detained, issued summonses and released.
In trying to silence Oren, they made a mockery of the university’s commitment to freedom of speech and treated its dedication to respectful dialogue with downright disdain. Yes, they probably discomfited our ambassador, but they shamed UC-Irvine and its alumni.
SNIP
342 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:51:28am |
re: #339 lawhawk
That’s a pretty tough sell, though. I mean, I know that among factions the Muslims have no loyalty; but you’d think that if they can mostly pull together to push the Jews into the sea, they’d be able to hold off on shooting each other long enough to fire off a first shot at the Great Satan before turning and telling the apostate brethren, “You’re next.”
343 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:51:30am |
re: #335 PhillyPretzel
Ever since Israel’s founding, they have been fighting to hold onto what is theirs. And everyone and their “friends” have been saying Israel is at fault for existing. I wish it was not this way, but it is.
I hope you aren’t lumping in the U.S.A. into that category of “friends.”
345 | Silvergirl Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:52:35am |
Okay, cliffster. I keep rubbing my eyes at your avatars. Last night it changed to Cato’s. Really. And now Brad Pitt. You’re messin’ with us, right?
346 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:52:40am |
re: #329 Decatur Deb
Before a nation works its way into that kind of situation, it might be a good idea to really explore all the other options.
Are you actually laying the blame of a future nuclear attack by Iran at the feet of Israel?
347 | PT Barnum Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:52:48am |
re: #323 Mad Al-Jaffee
She’s awesome. Most people don’t realize that she’s not just a *ahem* pretty face. She’s a very talented singer and songwriter. Check out her original version of “I’ll Always Love You” sometime.
Somebody else that doesn’t get enough credit for being very bright:
348 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:53:17am |
Alright, who did a snow dance with their pajamas inside out, hmmm?!
;)
349 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:53:41am |
re: #343 drcordell
I hope you aren’t lumping in the U.S.A. into that category of “friends.”
He isn’t. Even Obama isn’t saying things like that. There are, of course, Americans who do blame Israel like that, but they are a small minority.
350 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:54:11am |
re: #348 Varek Raith
not me. I have my long undies on right now.
351 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:54:18am |
re: #339 lawhawk
Of course they would - but that also supposes that Iran would target Israel first. Who’s to say that they wouldn’t target Jeddah, Baghdad, or Cairo as a show of dominance and Shia supremacy over the Sunni majority found elsewhere in the Middle East and around the world. That hatred runs far deeper than the Israel hate.
Would we strike Iran if it nuked Jeddah, Baghdad or Cairo?
352 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:54:26am |
re: #336 cliffster
Good Morning, Dragonette. I think we are universally cold, but happy.
I’m glad to hear you’re happy this morning, cold is unfortunately part of the season but at least its pretty out there. I love all the snow! In my lifetime I’ve only seen it snow four times and I loved it every time!
353 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:55:20am |
re: #351 MandyManners
Would we strike Iran if it nuked Jeddah, Baghdad or Cairo?
The answer SHOULD be yes, yes, and yes. What my guess would be is probably not, yes, and maybe.
354 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:55:25am |
re: #349 Dark_Falcon
He isn’t. Even Obama isn’t saying things like that. There are, of course, Americans who do blame Israel like that, but they are a small minority.
Look at No. 61. The U.N. is saying that, too.
355 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:55:37am |
re: #326 MandyManners
I bet if Iran were to shoot off a nuke at Israel and Israel unleashed the Samsom Option, the UN and its ilk would blame Israel.
For over reacting….
356 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:56:40am |
re: #352 Dragon_Lady
If you want to see snow come to Philly. We have and will be getting too much today. Blizzard warning today. :(
357 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:57:24am |
re: #345 Silvergirl
Okay, cliffster. I keep rubbing my eyes at your avatars. Last night it changed to Cato’s. Really. And now Brad Pitt. You’re messin’ with us, right?
aww, thanks. I decided to put a pic of myself up, but people tell me I look like Brad Pitt all the time. Last night was just my way of saying goodbye to Cato.
358 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:57:24am |
re: #334 Dark_Falcon
What other options? The rest of the world isn’t taking the Iranian threat seriously. Unless it does, what options does Israel have other than military action.
re: #334 Dark_Falcon
What other options? The rest of the world isn’t taking the Iranian threat seriously. Unless it does, what options does Israel have other than military action.
Relying on purely military solutions, in a world where the Islamic bomb already exists, is not the best idea. The ME will fully nuclearize in the next decade or the next generation. Israel is smart enough to find a better way.
359 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:57:45am |
360 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:57:59am |
re: #351 MandyManners
Would we strike Iran if it nuked Jeddah, Baghdad or Cairo?
I would hope so, in that part of the reason for the original Desert Storm was that Saddam had eyes on Saudi Arabia after going into Kuwait.
Also, our long ties to Egypt (foreign aid) and them being the only M.E. nation that has a treaty with Israel. Baghdad should be self explantory
361 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:58:41am |
re: #351 MandyManners
We might - it depends on what kind of arrangements the US has with those governments - mutual defense pacts, etc. Or we sit back and do nothing except let those countries arm with their own nukes (and I know that Obama is pushing for a reduction in nuclear arsenals - ours and everyone else), but the use of nukes in the ME would come with all sorts of complications.
A nuclear Iran opens the floodgates to everyone else in the region rushing to get nukes of their own as a MAD deterrent to Iran - even though Iran’s pushing for nukes on ideological/religious grounds in addition to wanting to be the bully in the region.
362 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:58:42am |
re: #346 MandyManners
Are you actually laying the blame of a future nuclear attack by Iran at the feet of Israel?
If the nukes start flying, it won’t matter whose fault it was.
363 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:59:08am |
re: #358 Decatur Deb
Relying on purely military solutions, in a world where the Islamic bomb already exists, is not the best idea. The ME will fully nuclearize in the next decade or the next generation. Israel is smart enough to find a better way.
Like what? What option exists when the only demand is “You and all your people need to die and your country needs to stop existing?” What better way is there to defend against such irrational hatred?
364 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:59:10am |
re: #331 Dark_Falcon
Um, Mandy, the “Sampson Option” involved nuking the people who gave Iran the bomb, which would likely be Pakistan in this case. Bigel used it to mean nuking Europe, a monstrous position that got him banned.
(I understand that you are not advocating such a thing, I’m just providing background.)
That is not my understanding of it so I did a quick Wiki and it confirmed what I thought.
The Samson Option is a term used to describe Israel’s alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a “last resort” against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well.[1]
365 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:59:37am |
re: #358 Decatur Deb
Relying on purely military solutions, in a world where the Islamic bomb already exists, is not the best idea. The ME will fully nuclearize in the next decade or the next generation. Israel is smart enough to find a better way.
We cannot allow that to happen. If it does, we’ll get nuked at some point down the line.
366 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 7:59:53am |
I’ve always thought that the main problem in the middle east is that the Israelis have joined the 21st century and the Arabs/Muslims like it just fine back in the 16th century where no one has freedom of thought, especially Women.
367 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:00:05am |
re: #353 thedopefishlives
The answer SHOULD be yes, yes, and yes. What my guess would be is probably not, yes, and maybe.
Where’s my Magic 8-Ball?
368 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:00:53am |
re: #326 MandyManners
I bet if Iran were to shoot off a nuke at Israel and Israel unleashed the Samsom Option, the UN and its ilk would blame Israel.
And what does this kind of hypothesizing do for us? Iran doesn’t have nukes…and they probably never will. Hell, they even signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty…and they don’t have nukes.
Oh, and I don’t believe Israel would unleash their nukes on their neighbors, either. Nukes are the weapons nobody wants to use, but everybody wants to have. Maybe if everyone had them we’d stop getting our panties in a twist over what-ifs like this one?
369 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:01:10am |
re: #356 PhillyPretzel
If you want to see snow come to Philly. We have and will be getting too much today. Blizzard warning today. :(
Yeah, I watched the news report this morning, poor baby. You could always send us here in Los Angeles some!
370 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:01:16am |
re: #363 thedopefishlives
Like what? What option exists when the only demand is “You and all your people need to die and your country needs to stop existing?” What better way is there to defend against such irrational hatred?
Find some sane parties on the other side, foster them, and work with them.
371 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:01:19am |
re: #358 Decatur Deb
Relying on purely military solutions, in a world where the Islamic bomb already exists, is not the best idea. The ME will fully nuclearize in the next decade or the next generation. Israel is smart enough to find a better way.
I was talking precisely about Iran letting one lose on Israel.
372 | shutdown Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:01:50am |
re: #360 sattv4u2
I would hope so, in that part of the reason for the original Desert Storm was that Saddam had eyes on Saudi Arabia after going into Kuwait.
Also, our long ties to Egypt (foreign aid) and them being the only M.E. nation that has a treaty with Israel. Baghdad should be self explantory
I have just logged on, and have not had the time to read the whole thread; so apologies if I am restating another post.
My conviction is that the US and allies would have to strike at Iran following a nuclear attack by the latter regardless of the target. It is the proven willingness to deploy tactical nuclear weapons which will prompt action, not the target of the deployment. If the civilized world (read: Israel) waits until actual deployment, that is.
373 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:01:52am |
re: #360 sattv4u2
I would hope so, in that part of the reason for the original Desert Storm was that Saddam had eyes on Saudi Arabia after going into Kuwait.
Also, our long ties to Egypt (foreign aid) and them being the only M.E. nation that has a treaty with Israel. Baghdad should be self explantory
I thought Jordan had a treaty with Israel.
374 | Silvergirl Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:02:31am |
re: #356 PhillyPretzel
If you want to see snow come to Philly. We have and will be getting too much today. Blizzard warning today. :(
Okay, blizzard warning is beyond what I wish for (for you or anyone), but our NW winter has been way mild. Not one snow day! No sledding on the hill across the street, no charging into the house and ripping off the gloves and scarf and grabbing a cup of hot chocolate with mini marshmallows. May I have one day of white stuff?
375 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:02:41am |
re: #361 lawhawk
We might - it depends on what kind of arrangements the US has with those governments - mutual defense pacts, etc. Or we sit back and do nothing except let those countries arm with their own nukes (and I know that Obama is pushing for a reduction in nuclear arsenals - ours and everyone else), but the use of nukes in the ME would come with all sorts of complications.
A nuclear Iran opens the floodgates to everyone else in the region rushing to get nukes of their own as a MAD deterrent to Iran - even though Iran’s pushing for nukes on ideological/religious grounds in addition to wanting to be the bully in the region.
Would MAD work with ShortShit and the Mullahs?
376 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:02:52am |
re: #373 MandyManners
I thought Jordan had a treaty with Israel.
Could be, but I was focusing on the cities (countries) in the question
377 | Political Atheist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:06am |
Nancy Pelosi has no clue. Looking at Obamas $5000 incentive to hire, Pelosi opposed, saying it will not help job creation. Full time minimum wage earners are getting about $16,600 per year. The incentive is nearly a third.
What Miss Nancy does not get is we have millions of old lost jobs to be filled before we have 1 new job created. Lots of companies are under staffed.
Politically I hope she gets the axe for opposing help to employers. She could be shown to be helping Wall street and opposing Main street recovery efforts.
[Link: www.politico.com…]
378 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:08am |
re: #370 Decatur Deb
Find some sane parties on the other side, foster them, and work with them.
That’s exactly my point: THERE ARE NONE. There is no negotiation with a party whose sole unrelenting demand is your death. It’s like arguing with a conspiracy theory nutjob; in theory, anything can happen, but in practice, everyone knows how it’s going to end and it’s pointless to even try.
379 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:11am |
re: #366 Dragon_Lady
And because of that the Arabs are trying to kick Israel back even further so that Arabs can claim once again that they are the greatest civilization ever.
380 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:22am |
re: #351 MandyManners
Would we strike Iran if it nuked Jeddah, Baghdad or Cairo?
If Iran had two bombs and planned to use one, the other would be in the hold of a ship within a few hours travel from a major US port.
381 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:31am |
re: #371 MandyManners
I was talking precisely about Iran letting one lose on Israel.
The Iranian regime is working so hard to cling to every last semblance of power over their citizens. To me that’s not indicative of a group of people who wish to have themselves vaporized.
382 | shutdown Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:52am |
re: #375 MandyManners
Would MAD work with ShortShit and the Mullahs?
Yes, but only if they believed in the likelihood of massive retaliation. Brinksmanship is an art unto .
383 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:54am |
re: #359 Varek Raith
yes, and I know what “shoot off a nuke at Israel” is.
I also know my colors AND my numbers.
384 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:55am |
re: #354 MandyManners
Look at No. 61. The U.N. is saying that, too.
I just took a look. That asshole Desmond Travers spouted a font of lies. Sadly, the British Army has mostly been pro-Arab. The onyl famous exception was Orde Wingate, whose formation of the Special Night Squads in the late ‘30’s brought about a major reduction in Arab terrorism in the Levant.
385 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:55am |
re: #368 darthstar
And what does this kind of hypothesizing do for us? Iran doesn’t have nukes…and they probably never will. Hell, they even signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty…and they don’t have nukes.
Oh, and I don’t believe Israel would unleash their nukes on their neighbors, either. Nukes are the weapons nobody wants to use, but everybody wants to have. Maybe if everyone had them we’d stop getting our panties in a twist over what-ifs like this one?
Are you the hall monitor today?
386 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:03:57am |
re: #380 Naso Tang
If Iran had two bombs and planned to use one, the other would be in the hold of a ship within a few hours travel from a major US port.
False.
387 | Silvergirl Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:04:06am |
re: #357 cliffster
aww, thanks. I decided to put a pic of myself up, but people tell me I look like Brad Pitt all the time. Last night was just my way of saying goodbye to Cato.
An explanation at last! Next time add an “I am Cato” or something. :-)
Nice gesture.
388 | Political Atheist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:04:31am |
re: #375 MandyManners
Would MAD work with ShortShit and the Mullahs?
Nobody knows if MAD will work beyond a handful of nations, combined in simpler bi polar alliances. All else is untested. And famously, MAD nearly failed on several occasions as it is.
389 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:04:54am |
re: #368 darthstar
Here, have a glass of cold water and take an ibuprofen to get that fever down. Lay down over here.. try and get some rest. You’ll feel better tomorrow…
390 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:05:07am |
re: #370 Decatur Deb
Find some sane parties on the other side,
foster them, and work with them.
baby steps!!!
391 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:05:20am |
re: #364 MandyManners
That is not my understanding of it so I did a quick Wiki and it confirmed what I thought.
The Samson Option is a term used to describe Israel’s alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a “last resort” against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well.[1]
That is only one definition. Even it does not rule out “Launch On Threat”, and it doesn’t limit targets to direct combatants. What you are looking for is probably MAD, not Sampson.
392 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:05:20am |
re: #382 imp_62
Yes, but only if they believed in the likelihood of massive retaliation. Brinksmanship is an art unto .
No because they know the 12th Iman will save them.
393 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:05:50am |
re: #381 drcordell
The Iranian regime is working so hard to cling to every last semblance of power over their citizens. To me that’s not indicative of a group of people who wish to have themselves vaporized.
Does MAD work with a messianic leader?
396 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:06:54am |
re: #391 Decatur Deb
That is only one definition. Even it does not rule out “Launch On Threat”, and it doesn’t limit targets to direct combatants. What you are looking for is probably MAD, not Sampson.
I know how to Google.
397 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:06:56am |
399 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:06:57am |
re: #385 MandyManners
Are you the hall monitor today?
No thanks…and as this is turning into a discussion about how right Sarah Palin is that we should preemptively attack Iran, I’ll bow out…gotta get ready for work anyway.
As you were….bomb, bomb, bomb…bomb, bomb Iran… Sing it, Johnny!
/
400 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:07:13am |
re: #386 drcordell
False.
You state that as if it were an imperial decree. Care to back up your speculation with some logic? True, we’re all in fantasyland right now because there’s no hard evidence to hand, but at least TRY to make it sound like you know what you’re talking about.
401 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:07:19am |
re: #399 darthstar
No thanks…and as this is turning into a discussion about how right Sarah Palin is that we should preemptively attack Iran, I’ll bow out…gotta get ready for work anyway.
As you were…bomb, bomb, bomb…bomb, bomb Iran… Sing it, Johnny!
/
Hahahaha upding x1000
402 | laZardo Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:08:05am |
re: #399 darthstar
No thanks…and as this is turning into a discussion about how right Sarah Palin is that we should preemptively attack Iran, I’ll bow out…gotta get ready for work anyway.
As you were…bomb, bomb, bomb…bomb, bomb Iran… Sing it, Johnny!
/
I’m gonna follow, seeing as how I have a…comedic view of nuclear war.
/smartest man on the cinder, yes indeedy…
403 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:08:22am |
re: #368 darthstar
North Korea didn’t have nukes… until they did.
Pakistan didn’t have nukes…. until they did.
India didn’t have nukes… until they did.
No one knew about Libya’s nuclear program… until the PSI found out about it.
Iran has been quite vocal in its pursuit of nuclear enrichment capabilities - and 50,000+ cascades (P1/IR1 or P2/IR2) is more than sufficient to enrich to weapons grade with sufficient time.
I would urge caution over Iran’s nuclear capabilities. Their bellicosity suggests intent, and their scientists have been working with the centrifuges for a couple of years now working out the kinds. It’s a matter of time before they’ve perfected their enrichment capabilities. After that - all bets are off as to what they would do (and would further depend on who’s in charge at the time).
404 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:08:43am |
re: #378 thedopefishlives
That’s exactly my point: THERE ARE NONE. There is no negotiation with a party whose sole unrelenting demand is your death. It’s like arguing with a conspiracy theory nutjob; in theory, anything can happen, but in practice, everyone knows how it’s going to end and it’s pointless to even try.
That’s an assumption of despair. If I believed that, I would be proposing reverse aliyah, to preserve the people. (In a sense, I have, with friends in Herzliya.)
405 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:08:50am |
re: #400 thedopefishlives
You state that as if it were an imperial decree. Care to back up your speculation with some logic? True, we’re all in fantasyland right now because there’s no hard evidence to hand, but at least TRY to make it sound like you know what you’re talking about.
Explain this to me. If the Iranian leadership has a death wish, why are they locking down their society and turning it into a virtual police state to maintain power? Why seek to cling to control when they are going to kill everyone with a nuclear war? Especially considering the opposition Iranian party fully supports the nuclear program.
406 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:09:50am |
Kinda hard to type right, my furry affection monger had climbed up into my shoulder for her morning snuggle. BBL after her attention box is full.
407 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:09:51am |
re: #398 drcordell
Ask George Bush…
Really? Iran continued pursuing their nuclear program even with threats from GWB and the G-6/G-8 and UN (empty as they were). The 2007 NIE appears to have been wholly wrong based on the evidence - and Iran’s stated admissions of nuclear enrichment facilities at multiple locations.
408 | gregb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:09:57am |
Nice video update. I had to whitelist vimeo in my Noscript.
There was one ad that gave an error?
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409 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:10:03am |
re: #397 Naso Tang
What are you, an Iranian mole with one word insights?
Care to explain why the Soviet Union didn’t nuke us during the Cold War? Remember, they were the Godless Communists hellbent on a first-strike and the destruction of the world?
410 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:10:08am |
411 | Silvergirl Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:10:29am |
re: #362 Decatur Deb
If the nukes start flying, it won’t matter whose fault it was.
This is 100% true. It does matter whose fault it is before they start flying.
412 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:10:48am |
413 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:10:57am |
re: #399 darthstar
No thanks…and as this is turning into a discussion about how right Sarah Palin is that we should preemptively attack Iran, I’ll bow out…gotta get ready for work anyway.
As you were…bomb, bomb, bomb…bomb, bomb Iran… Sing it, Johnny!
/
Who mentioned Palin? Oh, wait. You did.
That is NOT how this discussion started.
414 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:10:57am |
re: #409 drcordell
Do you know how close, and how many times, we both came to blowing the hell out of each other?
415 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:11:06am |
re: #405 drcordell
Explain this to me. If the Iranian leadership has a death wish, why are they locking down their society and turning it into a virtual police state to maintain power? Why seek to cling to control when they are going to kill everyone with a nuclear war? Especially considering the opposition Iranian party fully supports the nuclear program.
Who says they’re going to kill everyone with a nuclear war? The Iranian hardliners may well believe they can get away with a quick victory over Israel without getting caught. It’s theoretically possible, in the case of a country as small as Israel, to obliterate it completely with a well-planned first strike, thus immunizing themselves from immediate retaliation while giving themselves a chance to prepare against attack from threats like the United States.
416 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:11:18am |
re: #328 Mad Al-Jaffee
[Video]
I can’t see YouTube at work but here is what keeps going through my head this morning…
Because I’m a sexistegotisticallyinghypocritcalbigot?
Bingo!
Ok so that was Lily Tomlin’s dialog with Dabny Coleman but still hilarious.
417 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:11:20am |
re: #405 drcordell
Explain this to me. If the Iranian leadership has a death wish, why are they locking down their society and turning it into a virtual police state to maintain power? Why seek to cling to control when they are going to kill everyone with a nuclear war? Especially considering the opposition Iranian party fully supports the nuclear program.
Because they are sure that they can survive the chaos of nuclear war. That the 12th Iman told them so.
418 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:11:33am |
re: #410 MandyManners
Fuck you.
Real mature. That was a serious response as well. George Bush has discussed his belief in the “end times” where Jesus returns to the earth. How exactly is that any different than the equivalent Iranian beliefs regarding the 12th Imam?
419 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:11:42am |
re: #405 drcordell
Explain this to me. If the Iranian leadership has a death wish, why are they locking down their society and turning it into a virtual police state to maintain power?
That is a stupid statement. They have a death wish, as is spoken in every opening statement by their little leader, but on their terms.
420 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:12:42am |
A great outline of patient-first GOP health care ideas by Newt Gingrich & John Goodman
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421 | Locker Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:12:43am |
re: #418 drcordell
Real mature. That was a serious response as well. George Bush has discussed his belief in the “end times” where Jesus returns to the earth. How exactly is that any different than the equivalent Iranian beliefs regarding the 12th Imam?
Looks like you hit a sore spot. Imagine that.
422 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:13:00am |
re: #415 thedopefishlives
NOT TO MENTION that many of the hardliners would be perfectly okay with going out in a blaze of martyred glory against the Great Satan, they just have to hang on to their power long enough to see it come about.
423 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:13:01am |
re: #418 drcordell
Whoa, there’s a nuclear mine field that I’d dare not venturing in…
424 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:13:09am |
re: #409 drcordell
Care to explain why the Soviet Union didn’t nuke us during the Cold War? Remember, they were the Godless Communists hellbent on a first-strike and the destruction of the world?
Because they were not what you claim, obviously. I’m not sure of the exact word for your form of logic, but it is not flattering.
425 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:13:12am |
426 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:13:31am |
re: #414 Varek Raith
Do you know how close, and how many times, we both came to blowing the hell out of each other?
MAD is not for the faint of heart. Nor is any other position post-Almogordo.
427 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:13:37am |
re: #403 lawhawk
North Korea didn’t have nukes… until they did.
Pakistan didn’t have nukes… until they did.
India didn’t have nukes… until they did.No one knew about Libya’s nuclear program… until the PSI found out about it.
Iran has been quite vocal in its pursuit of nuclear enrichment capabilities - and 50,000+ cascades (P1/IR1 or P2/IR2) is more than sufficient to enrich to weapons grade with sufficient time.
I would urge caution over Iran’s nuclear capabilities. Their bellicosity suggests intent, and their scientists have been working with the centrifuges for a couple of years now working out the kinds. It’s a matter of time before they’ve perfected their enrichment capabilities. After that - all bets are off as to what they would do (and would further depend on who’s in charge at the time).
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428 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:14:17am |
re: #414 Varek Raith
Do you know how close, and how many times, we both came to blowing the hell out of each other?
EXACTLY! Because of the ridiculous fear-mongering that took place. Because each nation had convinced itself that if their nuclear forces weren’t on the highest of alert levels constantly, the other nation would launch a surprise attack. The point is, having lived through the period, we know the truth. We know that the Soviets had no intention of launching a first-strike, just as we had no intention of launching a first-strike.
The fact that we almost killed the ENTIRE WORLD several different times due to human error should be a wake up call. That brinkmanship is a dangerous game, and we should heed the lessons of history.
429 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:14:26am |
re: #418 drcordell
Real mature. That was a serious response as well. George Bush has discussed his belief in the “end times” where Jesus returns to the earth. How exactly is that any different than the equivalent Iranian beliefs regarding the 12th Imam?
The difference is that they have used suicide human weapons before. Used their population as cannon fodder in the past. GWB hasn’t.
430 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:14:36am |
re: #418 drcordell
Real mature. That was a serious response as well. George Bush has discussed his belief in the “end times” where Jesus returns to the earth. How exactly is that any different than the equivalent Iranian beliefs regarding the 12th Imam?
We are really getting into the woo woo analogies now…
431 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:15:22am |
re: #428 drcordell
What happens when we meet an opponent who has no such scruples about launching a first attack? Someone who really doesn’t care if he and his people get vaporized, because they’ll get a martyr cookie if they do?
432 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:15:37am |
re: #429 Buck
The difference is that they have used suicide human weapons before. Used their population as cannon fodder in the past. GWB hasn’t.
Remember when they sent kids into battle to clear the minefields?
433 | Silvergirl Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:16:01am |
re: #414 Varek Raith
Do you know how close, and how many times, we both came to blowing the hell out of each other?
Probably nobody here does. I would guess more times than we’re aware of.
434 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:16:24am |
re: #430 Naso Tang
We are really getting into the woo woo analogies now…
Because Islamic apocalyptic beliefs have absolutely NO relevance to Christianist apocalyptic beliefs? Explain exactly what is different besides the fact that Bush is talking about Jesus.
435 | Bagua Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:16:29am |
re: #368 darthstar
And what does this kind of hypothesizing do for us? Iran doesn’t have nukes…and they probably never will. Hell, they even signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty…and they don’t have nukes.
Oh, and I don’t believe Israel would unleash their nukes on their neighbors, either. Nukes are the weapons nobody wants to use, but everybody wants to have. Maybe if everyone had them we’d stop getting our panties in a twist over what-ifs like this one?
Stunning naivety.
436 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:16:43am |
re: #433 Silvergirl
Probably nobody here does. I would guess more times than we’re aware of.
I’m pretty sure it’s 6+, that I know of…
…I think.
437 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:16:47am |
re: #428 drcordell
When you can clearly see your line of argument is starting to piss people off, you really need to consider whether it’s the best way you can make your argument. Going to comparisons with Bush is just an invitation for people to dismiss you.
438 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:16:55am |
re: #428 drcordell
There’s a concept called “game theory” that I think you’d find interesting.
439 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:17:26am |
re: #418 drcordell
Real mature. That was a serious response as well. George Bush has discussed his belief in the “end times” where Jesus returns to the earth. How exactly is that any different than the equivalent Iranian beliefs regarding the 12th Imam?
It’s simple, really: George W. Bush subscribes to the normal Christian belief that the timing of Jesus’ Return cannot be known or effected by humans. Achmadinijad thinks that he can speed things along with a war war to destroy Israel. Downding for comparing a decent man to that Iranian nutcase.
440 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:17:30am |
re: #434 drcordell
Christian apocalyptic doctrine doesn’t have us eager to blow the living daylights out of each other.
441 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:18:34am |
re: #432 MandyManners
Remember when they sent kids into battle to clear the minefields?
Again. Sending soldiers to die on the battlefield in a suicide mission is still completely different than guaranteeing the complete vaporization and death of your entire nation. The Japanese used kamikazee pilots, did they not? Yet when we began dropping nuclear weapons on their cities they surrendered immediately. Your analogy is false.
442 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:19:19am |
re: #441 drcordell
Uhhh, you may want to do a bit more research into the surrender of Imperial Japan…
443 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:19:50am |
re: #441 drcordell
They almost DIDN’T surrender. The only reason they did is because the emperor convinced the hardliners that he would permit the war to continue if the imperial sovereignty was not maintained. We got lucky that they accepted the surrender without a bloody coup.
444 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:20:01am |
re: #440 thedopefishlives
Christian apocalyptic doctrine doesn’t have us eager to blow the living daylights out of each other.
Yeah you’re right. George Bush didn’t start any wars. Oh… wait…
445 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:20:23am |
re: #436 Varek Raith
I’m pretty sure it’s 6+, that I know of…
…I think.
Isn’t +6 the rating on your new helmet?
/D&D geekage
446 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:20:32am |
re: #443 thedopefishlives
They almost DIDN’T surrender. The only reason they did is because the emperor convinced the hardliners that he would permit the war to continue if the imperial sovereignty was not maintained. We got lucky that they accepted the surrender without a bloody coup.
Almost didn’t… but they DID.
447 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:20:43am |
re: #434 drcordell
Because Islamic apocalyptic beliefs have absolutely NO relevance to Christianist apocalyptic beliefs? Explain exactly what is different besides the fact that Bush is talking about Jesus.
Your ignorance concerning the differences between Christian and Islamic beliefs towards life, and the afterlife, is telling. This is not a forum to be educated in basic principles, but it is one to learn when one doesn’t know them.
448 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:20:44am |
449 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:21:19am |
re: #441 drcordell
Again. Sending soldiers to die on the battlefield in a suicide mission is still completely different than guaranteeing the complete vaporization and death of your entire nation. The Japanese used kamikazee pilots, did they not? Yet when we began dropping nuclear weapons on their cities they surrendered immediately. Your analogy is false.
They were NOT soldiers. They were children.
451 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:22:44am |
re: #444 drcordell
Oh, come on! Do you really think Bush initiated the war in Iraq to bring about the resurrection of Jesus????
452 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:22:46am |
re: #439 Dark_Falcon
It’s simple, really: George W. Bush subscribes to the normal Christian belief that the timing of Jesus’ Return cannot be known or effected by humans. Achmadinijad thinks that he can speed things along with a war war to destroy Israel. Downding for comparing a decent man to that Iranian nutcase.
Uh, false. You may want to look into exactly what the hardline born-again Christianists in America actually believe. Because they do believe that humans can affect the timing of Jesus’ return by ensuring that biblical kingdom of Israel has been restored.
453 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:22:48am |
re: #444 drcordell
You know as well as I do that that has absolutely no relevance to the point you were trying to make. If you have definitive proof that George Bush started a war because of his belief in Christian end-times views, put it on the table now. Otherwise, you’re just trolling.
454 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:23:26am |
re: #441 drcordell
Again. Sending soldiers to die on the battlefield in a suicide mission is still completely different than guaranteeing the complete vaporization and death of your entire nation. The Japanese used kamikazee pilots, did they not? Yet when we began dropping nuclear weapons on their cities they surrendered immediately. Your analogy is false.
I remember when I was that naive. I was 16.
455 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:23:42am |
re: #446 drcordell
Almost didn’t… but they DID.
I think your Japan analogy is the worst possible example you could bring in.
456 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:24:23am |
re: #449 MandyManners
They were NOT soldiers. They were children.
To be fair, Mandy, during our own Civil War both side used teenagers as young as the Basiji were as soldiers. But the manner in which the Basiji were used was barbaric and I hope there’s a special place in Hell for the men who sent them to die.
457 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:24:36am |
re: #452 drcordell
Dude. Seriously. Take a moment or two to ask yourself what you’re achieving right now. Are you likely to convince anyone, change anyone’s mind? What is the benefit from engaging like this?
458 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:25:44am |
re: #456 Dark_Falcon
Another thing similar to Fascism— Hitler was really into his fanatical 16 year old fighters.
God, I loathe the power-hungry.
459 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:25:51am |
re: #452 drcordell
Uh, false. You may want to look into exactly what the hardline born-again Christianists in America actually believe. Because they do believe that humans can affect the timing of Jesus’ return by ensuring that biblical kingdom of Israel has been restored.
Let me introduce you to my friend Alex Jones. I think you two will get along real well.
460 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:26:19am |
re: #451 Varek Raith
Oh, come on! Do you really think Bush initiated the war in Iraq to bring about the resurrection of Jesus???
Never said that. Go back and read exactly what I posted in response to.
“Christian apocalyptic doctrine doesn’t have us eager to blow the living daylights out of each other.”
I merely pointed out that yes, George Bush believes in the Christian version of the “end times.” And that during his term as President, we started multiple wars in the holy land.
How is this any different than comparing the religious views of the Iranian political leadership with their views regarding the return of the 12th imam.
You are all so eager to believe that Iran wishes to launch a nuclear war based on the religious beliefs of its leaders, how is it any different to draw the same comparisons with U.S. leaders?
461 | shutdown Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:26:21am |
re: #439 Dark_Falcon
It’s simple, really: George W. Bush subscribes to the normal Christian belief that the timing of Jesus’ Return cannot be known or effected by humans. Achmadinijad thinks that he can speed things along with a war war to destroy Israel. Downding for comparing a decent man to that Iranian nutcase.
Without taking a position on the debate sui generis I have to interject that mainstream evangelical theology includes a belief that when all the Jews have returned to the Holy Land, the stage is set for the Second Coming and the Rapture. Please correct me if I err.
462 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:26:58am |
re: #441 drcordell
Again. Sending soldiers to die on the battlefield in a suicide mission is still completely different than guaranteeing the complete vaporization and death of your entire nation. The Japanese used kamikazee pilots, did they not? Yet when we began dropping nuclear weapons on their cities they surrendered immediately. Your analogy is false.
You have already been corrected about the soldiers comment… and I think you have been told multiple times that the Imans don’t beleive they need that guarantee you mention. HOWEVER, more importantly you need to read your timeline better. Most important point?
AFTER we began dropping atomic weapons…. not before.
463 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:27:03am |
re: #452 drcordell
Even allowing that point, you need to remember that George W. Bush has never shown any evidence that he believes that. He doesn’t attend a hard-line fundie church, he’s an Episcopalian (if memory serves).
464 | Bagua Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:27:13am |
re: #456 Dark_Falcon
To be fair, Mandy, during our own Civil War both side used teenagers as young as the Basiji were as soldiers. But the manner in which the Basiji were used was barbaric and I hope there’s a special place in Hell for the men who sent them to die.
As soldiers, but not as human mine clearing drones, as you note.
465 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:27:25am |
re: #460 drcordell
You’re making a logical error in assuming that Bush “starting wars” (which is highly debatable, considering most sane people believe the Arabs started the war by blowing the SHIT out of 3,000+ of our people) is related to his end-times views. That is not necessarily the case, and it needs to be proven.
466 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:27:39am |
Here’s how it’s going to happen: Bernanke Testimony: Stimulus Exit, Future Interest Rate Increases Outlined By Fed Chief
467 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:27:49am |
re: #459 cliffster
Let me introduce you to my friend Alex Jones. I think you two will get along real well.
Are you fucking kidding me right now? You’re calling me a neo-nazi. Unfuckingbelieveable. Can’t go two minutes on this site discussing Iran without being labeled a nazi or an anti-semite.
469 | Bagua Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:29:11am |
re: #467 drcordell
Are you fucking kidding me right now? You’re calling me a neo-nazi. Unfuckingbelieveable. Can’t go two minutes on this site discussing Iran without being labeled a nazi or an anti-semite.
Is Alex Jones a neo-nazi? Serious question, I just know him as a nutter.
470 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:29:26am |
re: #441 drcordell
The Japanese used kamikazee pilots, did they not? Yet when we began dropping nuclear weapons on their cities they surrendered immediately. Your analogy is false.
Again, your ignorance is showing. The Japanese surrendered, and not immediately, only because one man, their Emperor, decided to do so and was obeyed. There was an attempted military coup to prevent surrender, and it came very close to succeeding.
471 | shutdown Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:29:40am |
re: #463 Dark_Falcon
Even allowing that point, you need to remember that George W. Bush has never shown any evidence that he believes that. He doesn’t attend a hard-line fundie church, he’s an Episcopalian (if memory serves).
My recollection is that GWB was a self-identifying born-again Christian and an Evangelical. Am I wrong?
472 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:29:45am |
re: #465 thedopefishlives
You’re making a logical error in assuming that Bush “starting wars” (which is highly debatable, considering most sane people believe the Arabs started the war by blowing the SHIT out of 3,000+ of our people) is related to his end-times views. That is not necessarily the case, and it needs to be proven.
Because Iraq is related to 9/11 how?
And again. I never said there was any correlation between Bush’s religious views and the starting of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. I am merely using it to demonstrate that it is illogical to attempt to use Iranian religious beliefs to predict their geo-political actions.
473 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:29:47am |
re: #462 Buck
You have already been corrected about the soldiers comment… and I think you have been told multiple times that the Imans don’t beleive they need that guarantee you mention. HOWEVER, more importantly you need to read your timeline better. Most important point?
AFTER we began dropping atomic weapons… not before.
And even then there were Japanese within the High Command who wanted to fight to the death. As dopefish has pointed out, it was only by a narrow margin (which I partially attribute to Providence) that Japan gave up when they did.
474 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:30:20am |
re: #456 Dark_Falcon
To be fair, Mandy, during our own Civil War both side used teenagers as young as the Basiji were as soldiers. But the manner in which the Basiji were used was barbaric and I hope there’s a special place in Hell for the men who sent them to die.
Weren’t those sent to clear the mines given “special” blankets that would protect them? They weren’t teens.
475 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:30:29am |
re: #467 drcordell
Are you fucking kidding me right now? You’re calling me a neo-nazi. Unfuckingbelieveable. Can’t go two minutes on this site discussing Iran without being labeled a nazi or an anti-semite.
Actually, I was calling you a subscriber to crazy ideas. If believing you’ve been called a nazi makes you feel martyrized, though, carry on.
476 | Bagua Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:30:54am |
re: #460 drcordell
Never said that. Go back and read exactly what I posted in response to.
“Christian apocalyptic doctrine doesn’t have us eager to blow the living daylights out of each other.”
I merely pointed out that yes, George Bush believes in the Christian version of the “end times.” And that during his term as President, we started multiple wars in the holy land.
Name one war Bush started in the holy land.
477 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:31:18am |
re: #469 Bagua
Is Alex Jones a neo-nazi? Serious question, I just know him as a nutter.
Not really. He’s more of a libertarian nut than an authoritarian nut. He’s certainly antisemetic and probably racist but not a neo-Nazi.
478 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:31:21am |
re: #460 drcordell
Never said that. Go back and read exactly what I posted in response to.
“Christian apocalyptic doctrine doesn’t have us eager to blow the living daylights out of each other.”
I merely pointed out that yes, George Bush believes in the Christian version of the “end times.” And that during his term as President, we started multiple wars in the holy land.
How is this any different than comparing the religious views of the Iranian political leadership with their views regarding the return of the 12th imam.
You are all so eager to believe that Iran wishes to launch a nuclear war based on the religious beliefs of its leaders, how is it any different to draw the same comparisons with U.S. leaders?
No difference at all, fool…assuming that U.S. leaders are, like Ahmadinejad and the Iranian Mullahs, insane religious zealots who have no respect for the Constitution of the United States.
479 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:31:27am |
re: #461 imp_62
Without taking a position on the debate sui generis I have to interject that mainstream evangelical theology includes a belief that when all the Jews have returned to the Holy Land, the stage is set for the Second Coming and the Rapture. Please correct me if I err.
I’m an evangelical Christian and I’ve never heard that in church.
480 | shutdown Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:31:32am |
re: #475 cliffster
Actually, I was calling you a subscriber to crazy ideas. If believing you’ve been called a nazi makes you feel martyrized, though, carry on.
You need to be careful about how wide a net you cast with your analogies, methinks.
481 | Silvergirl Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:31:37am |
re: #468 Dragon_Lady
Decafe coffee anyone???
I’m coming around with a tray of doughnuts. Glazed, chocolate, maple, jelly-filled, cream-filled, cinnamon, powdered sugar, bear claws, apple fritters …
482 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:31:38am |
re: #464 Bagua
As soldiers, but not as human mine clearing drones, as you note.
As drummers, to keep the cadence. Some were pre-teen IIRC.
483 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:32:05am |
re: #473 Dark_Falcon
And even then there were Japanese within the High Command who wanted to fight to the death. As dopefish has pointed out, it was only by a narrow margin (which I partially attribute to Providence) that Japan gave up when they did.
And all of this is relevant why? In the end they surrendered, because they did not wish to see their nation destroyed by nuclear weapons. Meaning, despite the fact that they willingly used soldiers as Kamikazee pilots, they did not wish to see their entire nation killed.
Just as Iran has used “kamikazee” mine clearers in the past, doesn’t mean that they desire to have their entire nation vaporized by launching a nuclear first strike.
484 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:32:25am |
485 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:32:35am |
re: #472 drcordell
That was my point, man. Since what you’re really trying to argue has nothing to do with George Bush, why the hell use him, when it is obvious it’d provoke an inflammatory reaction? If you’re trying to make a point about Iran, you’re already shouldering enough— dragging Bush into it as well, you’d have to be Alcibides to finesse that and not just wind up pissing everyone off.
I personally don’t think that Ahma-dinnerjacket is honestly religious. I think he’s just a total corrupt scumbag. But you don’t have to insult people by comparing Bush to him in order to make that argument.
486 | filetandrelease Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:33:06am |
re: #470 Naso Tang
Interesting about the coup, I did not know that.
487 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:33:09am |
re: #479 MandyManners
I’m an evangelical Christian and I’ve never heard that in church.
Same here. There are some extremist sects that do believe that, but that has never been preached in any evangelical church I know of.
488 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:33:22am |
re: #481 Silvergirl
I’m coming around with a tray of doughnuts. Glazed, chocolate, maple, jelly-filled, cream-filled, cinnamon, powdered sugar, bear claws, apple fritters …
I think there’s enough sugar high being bounced around right now thank you…But a little sweetener would go a long way right now I think…
490 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:33:49am |
re: #481 Silvergirl
I’m coming around with a tray of doughnuts. Glazed, chocolate, maple, jelly-filled, cream-filled, cinnamon, powdered sugar, bear claws, apple fritters …
Leave the cutlery.
491 | Bagua Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:33:54am |
re: #477 Killgore Trout
Not really. He’s more of a libertarian nut than an authoritarian nut. He’s certainly antisemetic and probably racist but not a neo-Nazi.
Thanks, that is my impression as well, but I’ve only glanced at his kooky site and heard a couple of his audios.
492 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:34:03am |
Sometimes lurking is just as fun as commenting.:)
493 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:34:19am |
re: #441 drcordell
Actually - the Emperor was still urged on to fight even after the 1st bomb dropped on Hiroshima - they thought that they could still stave off defeat with the kamikazi.
It took the 2d bomb to get the military to admit defeat and for the Emperor to come out and declare that they would unconditionally surrender.
Now, extending that to the Middle East, Iran could lob a single nuke against Israel taking out the Jerusalem/Tel Aviv corridor killing a huge number of Israelis. They wouldn’t need a second one. If they did lob multiple nukes against Israel, Israel would cease to exist. It really is that simple - that is why preventing Iran from getting its hands on a single nuke is so absolutely critical - because Israel couldn’t absorb more than one nuke without vaporizing a significant portion of the population (and that would incidentally include quite a few Palestinians).
494 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:34:35am |
re: #485 Obdicut
That was my point, man. Since what you’re really trying to argue has nothing to do with George Bush, why the hell use him, when it is obvious it’d provoke an inflammatory reaction? If you’re trying to make a point about Iran, you’re already shouldering enough— dragging Bush into it as well, you’d have to be Alcibides to finesse that and not just wind up pissing everyone off.
I personally don’t think that Ahma-dinnerjacket is honestly religious. I think he’s just a total corrupt scumbag. But you don’t have to insult people by comparing Bush to him in order to make that argument.
I should have realized that the Bush analogy would have just riled people up beyond the point where they can continue rational debate. But I still defend the use of the analogy, because I don’t see how Christianist end-time beliefs should be considered any less ridiculous than Islamist end-time beliefs. I’d have used Obama but he doesn’t cite his religious influence over his political decisions like Bush did.
495 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:34:38am |
re: #471 imp_62
My recollection is that GWB was a self-identifying born-again Christian and an Evangelical. Am I wrong?
Perhaps, perhaps not. Politicians use religion to get votes. Are we to believe that there are more atheists than left handed people, but we have had left handed presidents but never a closet atheist?
GWB certainly wasn’t the latter, but how fundie is hard to say.
496 | shutdown Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:34:47am |
re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sometimes lurking is just as fun as commenting.:)
Take off your shirt and get in the pool, wimp.
497 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:34:57am |
re: #472 drcordell
Because Iraq is related to 9/11 how?
And again. I never said there was any correlation between Bush’s religious views and the starting of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. I am merely using it to demonstrate that it is illogical to attempt to use Iranian religious beliefs to predict their geo-political actions.
Let me spell it out for you: The Iranian leadership has been making the case for us. They use religious talk as a foundation for their political actions. Every time Ahmadinejad makes a speech, he talks in high Islamic terms about martyrdom and victory over the evil US and Israel. President Bush may have said things like “God bless America”, but he certainly never said he was going to wage war against the Arab to bring about the Second Coming of Jesus.
498 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:35:11am |
re: #487 thedopefishlives
Same here. There are some extremist sects that do believe that, but that has never been preached in any evangelical church I know of.
Yet we all get smacked with that broad brush.
I wonder if people wielding that brush really know what evangelism means.
499 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:35:30am |
re: #474 MandyManners
Weren’t those sent to clear the mines given “special” blankets that would protect them? They weren’t teens.
They were actually given cheap plastic or metal keys, to unlock the doors of Heaven when they got there. Still monstrous, of course.
500 | Bagua Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:35:44am |
re: #482 Decatur Deb
As drummers, to keep the cadence. Some were pre-teen IIRC.
Which we will all agree is still deplorable, but not even close to the Iranian practice of sending children to stomp on land mines in order to clear the way with their lives.
501 | mj Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:35:48am |
re: #341 MandyManners
SNIP
Here’s another one from last week:
‘Islamophopic’ talked cancelled
[Link: cambridgetab.co.uk…]
502 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:35:49am |
re: #451 Varek Raith
Oh, come on! Do you really think Bush initiated the war in Iraq to bring about the resurrection of Jesus???
If Bush had said that was his reason, I might have believed he was being honest about his reasons. WMDs? No way.
(not exactly snark, but maybe just a little - I don’t exactly buy into the ‘great spook in the sky’ thing myself)
503 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:35:52am |
re: #484 MandyManners
It’ll clash with the raw steak I’m chewing.
I have some meat tenderizer in the cupboard I could loan you… it would make that steak a little easier to chew me thinks!
504 | Silvergirl Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:35:56am |
re: #488 Dragon_Lady
I think there’s enough sugar high being bounced around right now thank you…But a little sweetener would go a long way right now I think…
My plan is to give that fleeting sugar rush which is invariably followed by torpor. What goes up must come down.
505 | Stuart Leviton Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:36:08am |
An lgf posting, January 23, tangentially mentioned Norman Podhoretz’ book “Why Jews are Liberal”, My gratitude to lgf for pointing me in the direction of Podhoretz’ book. Mr. Podhoretz attached reasoned words to my disenchantment from the American political left.
506 | shutdown Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:36:37am |
re: #479 MandyManners
I’m an evangelical Christian and I’ve never heard that in church.
I would have to do more research than time allows to confirm the point, but I will stand by it for the moment. Happy to be proven wrong by links to scholarly articles, etc.
507 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:36:51am |
re: #483 drcordell
And all of this is relevant why? In the end they surrendered, because they did not wish to see their nation destroyed by nuclear weapons. Meaning, despite the fact that they willingly used soldiers as Kamikazee pilots, they did not wish to see their entire nation killed.
Just as Iran has used “kamikazee” mine clearers in the past, doesn’t mean that they desire to have their entire nation vaporized by launching a nuclear first strike.
You fail to show that the Mullahs think that it would happen that way. They might think that they can use a proxy like Hezbollah or Hamas and be able to deny deny deny. They might feel that the UN (China and Russia) would protect them from retaliation.
Usama bin Laden didn’t think that his “first strike” would lead to his country being vaporized either. (and yes I don’t think the blind illiterate mullah Omar was really running Afghanistan).
508 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:36:52am |
re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sometimes lurking is just as fun as commenting.:)
I only lurk when the volcano begins to erupt…
509 | albusteve Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:37:23am |
re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sometimes lurking is just as fun as commenting.:)
especially when it’s useless to comment..this entire argument is ridiculous
510 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:37:37am |
re: #499 Dark_Falcon
They were actually given cheap plastic or metal keys, to unlock the doors of Heaven when they got there. Still monstrous, of course.
IIRC, they were given both.
511 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:37:55am |
re: #498 MandyManners
Yet we all get smacked with that broad brush.
I wonder if people wielding that brush really know what evangelism means.
Fairly few. Most of the brush wielders prefer to throw terms like “Christianist” around instead.
512 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:37:56am |
re: #460 drcordell
Do not presume to know what I believe with regards to Iran. Second, you didn’t answer my question. Do you believe that Bush initiated the war in Iraq to bring about the resurrection of Jesus?
513 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:37:57am |
re: #479 MandyManners
I’m an evangelical Christian and I’ve never heard that in church.
Based on my TV and occasional radio listening, it would seem to be the churches obsessed with prophesy/conspiracy theories. Obviously not all are.
514 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:38:20am |
re: #494 drcordell
I should have realized that the Bush analogy would have just riled people up beyond the point where they can continue rational debate. But I still defend the use of the analogy, because I don’t see how Christianist end-time beliefs should be considered any less ridiculous than Islamist end-time beliefs. I’d have used Obama but he doesn’t cite his religious influence over his political decisions like Bush did.
You are taking “end time beliefs” and applying it to all Christians, including Bush, and then saying Bush == Ahmadinejad. But it’s everyone else incapable of rational debate.
515 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:38:22am |
re: #508 Dragon_Lady
I only lurk when the volcano begins to erupt…
Actually, this computer is running slow. Plus can’t give this my full attention.
516 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:38:25am |
re: #497 thedopefishlives
Let me spell it out for you: The Iranian leadership has been making the case for us. They use religious talk as a foundation for their political actions. Every time Ahmadinejad makes a speech, he talks in high Islamic terms about martyrdom and victory over the evil US and Israel. President Bush may have said things like “God bless America”, but he certainly never said he was going to wage war against the Arab to bring about the Second Coming of Jesus.
He didn’t outright say it. But he certainly mentioned God’s influence over his decision multiple times in multiple speeches.
517 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:38:48am |
re: #490 Decatur Deb
Leave the cutlery.
Yeah, the claws are sharp enough around hear right now without the steak knives and cleavers!
518 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:39:03am |
519 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:39:04am |
re: #516 drcordell
He didn’t outright say it. But he certainly mentioned God’s influence over his decision multiple times in multiple speeches.
There’s a difference between saying God is on your side, and saying that God told you to kill all everything.
520 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:39:07am |
re: #494 drcordell
I should have realized that the Bush analogy would have just riled people up beyond the point where they can continue rational debate. But I still defend the use of the analogy, because I don’t see how Christianist end-time beliefs should be considered any less ridiculous than Islamist end-time beliefs. I’d have used Obama but he doesn’t cite his religious influence over his political decisions like Bush did.
OK, do you understand the difference between a theocracy and a democracy?
Which is more likely to use religious beliefs as policy?
Now, which is Iran, and which is the USA?
521 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:39:27am |
re: #494 drcordell
I don’t understand how you can defend the use of the analogy; using an analogy like that just externalizes the debate into how valid a comparison it is. Since there are a thousand ways that the two men are dissimilar and have shown themselves to be dissimilar, that argument would be long and futile.
Analogies are tricky beasties, as like to muddy the water as provide a good example. If they do the latter, then they have failed in what they were supposed to do.
522 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:39:43am |
re: #461 imp_62
Without taking a position on the debate sui generis I have to interject that mainstream evangelical theology includes a belief that when all the Jews have returned to the Holy Land, the stage is set for the Second Coming and the Rapture. Please correct me if I err.
That’s not exactly “mainstream” evangelical theology…it’s more the extremist sect of evangelical Christians (our equivalent of the Taliban). Some of the PNAC group believe this theory, and some of the “left behind” types hope it’s true because dying before the rapture and all that celebratin’ kind of sucks.
523 | shutdown Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:40:02am |
Wish I could stick around, but work beckons and I only get paid for hours billed!
524 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:40:09am |
re: #515 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually, this computer is running slow. Plus can’t give this my full attention.
Unfortunately I’ve been able to give it too much attention… I almost need to get out the first aid kit!
525 | Bagua Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:40:12am |
re: #494 drcordell
I should have realized that the Bush analogy would have just riled people up beyond the point where they can continue rational debate. But I still defend the use of the analogy, because I don’t see how Christianist end-time beliefs should be considered any less ridiculous than Islamist end-time beliefs. I’d have used Obama but he doesn’t cite his religious influence over his political decisions like Bush did.
Actually, the problem is that the argument itself is not rational. The christians believe in spreading peace and love to get their spiritual fulfillment, the Iranians believe in spreading terrorism and destruction to get their spiritual fulfillment.
Your argument is like saying a peace officer and a mass murderer are equivalent because they both use guns. You have moral blinders on and are engaging in simplistic thinking. You don’t even know basic facts about the middle east, such as what is considered the Holy Land.
526 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:40:28am |
re: #501 mj
Here’s another one from last week:
‘Islamophopic’ talked cancelled
[Link: cambridgetab.co.uk…]
If he said that he believes that “ethnic cleansing can be justified when dealing with Muslims and Palestinians” then, I’d be inclined to disinvite him, too.
527 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:40:31am |
re: #507 Buck
You fail to show that the Mullahs think that it would happen that way. They might think that they can use a proxy like Hezbollah or Hamas and be able to deny deny deny. They might feel that the UN (China and Russia) would protect them from retaliation.
Usama bin Laden didn’t think that his “first strike” would lead to his country being vaporized either. (and yes I don’t think the blind illiterate mullah Omar was really running Afghanistan).
No. I’m sorry, but absolutely not. The Iranians are not so stupid that they think they can launch a first-strike and get away with it. We have the radiological signature of the uranium they are enriching. They know it would be traced to them, and that the retaliation would be swift and nuclear.
528 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:40:42am |
re: #501 mj
Here’s another one from last week:
‘Islamophopic’ talked cancelled
[Link: cambridgetab.co.uk…]
Another capitulation. Benny Morris is not “Islamophobic”, rather he gets attacked for pointing out how Arab Muslims actually behave.
529 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:40:57am |
re: #513 Naso Tang
Based on my TV and occasional radio listening, it would seem to be the churches obsessed with prophesy/conspiracy theories. Obviously not all are.
Not particularly wanting to get involved in this argument, but I might suggest that TV and radio programs might not represent the majority of Christian sermons.
530 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:41:10am |
re: #503 Dragon_Lady
I have some meat tenderizer in the cupboard I could loan you… it would make that steak a little easier to chew me thinks!
My molas pack plenty of tenderizers but thanks the same!
531 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:41:28am |
re: #524 Dragon_Lady
Unfortunately I’ve been able to give it too much attention… I almost need to get out the first aid kit!
A round of aspirin and a mild depressant would probably do wonders for the blood pressure in here.
532 | Bagua Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:41:44am |
re: #502 darthstar
If Bush had said that was his reason, I might have believed he was being honest about his reasons. WMDs? No way.
(not exactly snark, but maybe just a little - I don’t exactly buy into the ‘great spook in the sky’ thing myself)
Utter nonsense. How old were you in the lead up to the war?
533 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:42:05am |
re: #506 imp_62
I would have to do more research than time allows to confirm the point, but I will stand by it for the moment. Happy to be proven wrong by links to scholarly articles, etc.
I don’t need any scholarly articles. I can read the Bible.
534 | albusteve Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:42:13am |
re: #516 drcordell
He didn’t outright say it. But he certainly mentioned God’s influence over his decision multiple times in multiple speeches.
so what?…who cares what people say about God…might makes right…are you defending Iranian Islamists and their support of Hez and their attitude toward Israel or not?
536 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:43:11am |
I think this is going to be a multiple-Cinderella day. Probably 3 Cinderellas and 2 Snow Whites. The little girl is sick and I’m telecommuting and taking care of her.
537 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:43:28am |
re: #509 albusteve
especially when it’s useless to comment..this entire argument is ridiculous
Well we can ignore the lava bombs and get to a nicer topic, can’t we? Like snow, or rain, or that pretty picture Charles posted or something??? Anything???
538 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:43:32am |
re: #526 MandyManners
If he said that he believes that “ethnic cleansing can be justified when dealing with Muslims and Palestinians” then, I’d be inclined to disinvite him, too.
OK, that remark I did not see before posting. My #528 should be considered withdrawn.
539 | albusteve Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:43:38am |
re: #532 Bagua
Utter nonsense. How old were you in the lead up to the war?
I’ve seen this before…total disconnect from the facts and history…it’s a waste of time
540 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:43:44am |
re: #525 Bagua
The christians believe in spreading peace and love to get their spiritual fulfillment, the Iranians believe in spreading terrorism and destruction to get their spiritual fulfillment.
And you’re lumping all Iranians (even the Jewish and Christian ones - and yes, there are Jewish and Christian Iranians, as well as Sunni and Shiite Muslim Iranians, and probably a Pastafarian or two) in with terrorism with that statement. That’s like saying Americans are infidels (I might be…though I will say I’m faithful to my wife).
541 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:43:56am |
re: #511 Dark_Falcon
Fairly few. Most of the brush wielders prefer to throw terms like “Christianist” around instead.
The use of that word tells me all I need to know about the rest of the beliefs of those who use it.
542 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:44:12am |
re: #525 Bagua
Actually, the problem is that the argument itself is not rational. The christians believe in spreading peace and love to get their spiritual fulfillment, the Iranians believe in spreading terrorism and destruction to get their spiritual fulfillment.
Your argument is like saying a peace officer and a mass murderer are equivalent because they both use guns. You have moral blinders on and are engaging in simplistic thinking. You don’t even know basic facts about the middle east, such as what is considered the Holy Land.
Right. All that “peace and love” spread by Christians in the name of God. Like the “peace and love” of a 5.57mm rifle slug tearing through the head of a someone shot out of a rifle scope with a bible verse engraved on it?
Not saying Christians don’t believe in all of that. But practically our nation’s “Christian” foreign policy has been anything but peaceful. The Republicans repeatedly state as often as they can that we are a Christian nation, under God. Tying our military actions to Christianity seems more than fair using the same standard that ties Islam to Iranian actions.
543 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:44:17am |
re: #536 cliffster
A dream is a wish your heart makes
When you’re fast asleep
In dreams you lose your heartaches
Whatever you wish for, you keep
Have faith in your dreams and someday
Your rainbow will come smiling thru
No matter how your heart is grieving
If you keep on believing
the dream that you wish will come true
544 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:44:25am |
re: #536 cliffster
I think this is going to be a multiple-Cinderella day. Probably 3 Cinderellas and 2 Snow Whites. The little girl is sick and I’m telecommuting and taking care of her.
No Little Mermaid? :D
545 | Bagua Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:44:43am |
re: #522 darthstar
That’s not exactly “mainstream” evangelical theology…it’s more the extremist sect of evangelical Christians (our equivalent of the Taliban). Some of the PNAC group believe this theory, and some of the “left behind” types hope it’s true because dying before the rapture and all that celebratin’ kind of sucks.
It is hate speech to equate evangelical Christians with the Taliban. Whether this arises from ignorance or malice I don’t know.
546 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:44:43am |
re: #513 Naso Tang
Based on my TV and occasional radio listening, it would seem to be the churches obsessed with prophesy/conspiracy theories. Obviously not all are.
I urge you to go to the source, the Bible. Christ Himself says that the only one who knows when the end is is God.
547 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:44:58am |
re: #533 MandyManners
I don’t need any scholarly articles. I can read the Bible.
I couldn’t have summed you up better with one sentence if I tried.
548 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:44:58am |
re: #532 Bagua
Utter nonsense. How old were you in the lead up to the war?
I was two, but I really didn’t understand LBJ’s rationale back then, either.
549 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:45:23am |
re: #544 Dark_Falcon
No Little Mermaid? :D
The Mrs. Fish has actually requested that I obtain a copy of Beauty and the Beast for her. She’s still a little princess at heart, I guess.
551 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:45:57am |
re: #529 EmmmieG
Not particularly wanting to get involved in this argument, but I might suggest that TV and radio programs might not represent the majority of Christian sermons.
Isn’t that what I said?
552 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:46:12am |
re: #545 Bagua
It is hate speech to equate evangelical Christians with the Taliban. Whether this arises from ignorance or malice I don’t know.
I was equating extremist Christians with extremist Muslims. It’s not hate speech, it’s a fair comparison. Don’t be so damned insecure.
553 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:46:15am |
re: #538 Dark_Falcon
It’s really depressing how much you have to research someone these days before supporting them. You think you’ve found a good, solid guy, and then you find out that five years ago he wrote about how great it would be to be back on the gold standard or about how Israel’s creation was illegal.
Everyone seems to be turning it up to 11 these days.
554 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:46:41am |
re: #527 drcordell
So we have the radiological signatures? How long does it take to do the isotope comparisons once the NIST teams are in place? How many are dead in the interim from the nuke that just went off?
You think that Iran is likely to ascribe to the MAD doctrine. What exactly is your evidence? There is a growing pile of evidence that Iran’s leadership not only isn’t rational, but that it could care less what the Iranian people want (see all those demonstrations and riots in the street claiming the regime is illegitimate?).
I put Iran in a class by itself because its leadership has repeatedly stated its intent to fulfill religious prophesies - Armageddon, Mahdi style. Preventing them from getting those capabilities should be a top concern, and once they get the nuke - the blackmail starts, and the regime is just nutty enough that they’d use it, even if it means millions of dead Iranians.
As we’ve seen during the Iran-Iraq war, Iran was more than willing to send unarmed kids into the front lines to be minesweepers and willingly sacrificed an entire generation to that war with no problem. Ahmadinejad and Khamenei are of that same mindset and would be willing to sacrifice many Iranians. Rational behavior per MAD is besides the point when other issues trump MAD.
555 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:46:45am |
re: #544 Dark_Falcon
No Little Mermaid? :D
Little Mermaid seems to have gotten old a little while back. Now it’s all princess, all the time. Standard princesses, that is. Cinderella, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty.
556 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:47:17am |
re: #546 MandyManners
I urge you to go to the source, the Bible. Christ Himself says that the only one who knows when the end is is God.
Umm. I was supportive of you, not the other.
557 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:47:24am |
re: #553 Obdicut
Everyone seems to be turning it up to 11 these days.
Heck, even I wrote a paper on JFK conspiracy theory back in high school. I have since repudiated the conclusion, but I was young and stupid and didn’t think to check the credibility of my sources. It’ll probably come back to haunt me at some point.
558 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:47:28am |
re: #542 drcordell
Okay, dude, you’re way, way, way the fuck over the line. That image alone you should be ashamed of conjuring up, especially, and let me make this clear, especially for those of us who have lost a loved on in battle with a bullet to the head.
Please stop.
559 | Bagua Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:47:53am |
re: #540 darthstar
And you’re lumping all Iranians (even the Jewish and Christian ones - and yes, there are Jewish and Christian Iranians, as well as Sunni and Shiite Muslim Iranians, and probably a Pastafarian or two) in with terrorism with that statement. That’s like saying Americans are infidels (I might be…though I will say I’m faithful to my wife).
Another statement that reveals that you are clueless. The Jewish, Christian and Zoroastrian Iranians have no political power. When we speak of the Iranians as a military force, we mean the mullah regime which controls the military.
You are speaking in terms of slogans and personal beliefs, and show no understanding of reality.
560 | _RememberTonyC Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:48:09am |
re: #547 drcordell
I couldn’t have summed you up better with one sentence if I tried.
this is a sure sign that you have nothing to offer in the exchange of good ideas. Mandy’s worst post offers much more than your best.
561 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:48:14am |
re: #558 Obdicut
Loved one. PIMF. Fuck it.
562 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:48:28am |
re: #540 darthstar
And you’re lumping all Iranians (even the Jewish and Christian ones - and yes, there are Jewish and Christian Iranians, as well as Sunni and Shiite Muslim Iranians, and probably a Pastafarian or two) in with terrorism with that statement. That’s like saying Americans are infidels (I might be…though I will say I’m faithful to my wife).
EXACTLY. This is exactly what I have been trying to get across this whole time. In George Bush we had a leader who explicitly referenced his Christian faith over and over again in the context of his decisions as President. And he also repeatedly referred to America as a “Christian” nation. If you’re going to lump all the Iranians together based on dinner jacket’s interpretation of Islam, it cuts both ways.
563 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:48:30am |
Hey guess what! I’m over 1000 comments now! My Karma’s coming up too! Neat!
564 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:48:38am |
re: #546 MandyManners
I urge you to go to the source, the Bible. Christ Himself says that the only one who knows when the end is is God.
It’s funny how firmly people become convinced that their image of Christians, based on the craziest ones they’ve seen, is accurate. Nope, I don’t want to hear it.. I’ll tell you what your religion believes.
565 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:48:53am |
So..uh…how about them…uh..Cowboys?…
:shrugs:
567 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:49:09am |
re: #542 drcordell
Right. All that “peace and love” spread by Christians in the name of God. Like the “peace and love” of a 5.57mm rifle slug tearing through the head of a someone shot out of a rifle scope with a bible verse engraved on it?
Not saying Christians don’t believe in all of that. But practically our nation’s “Christian” foreign policy has been anything but peaceful. The Republicans repeatedly state as often as they can that we are a Christian nation, under God. Tying our military actions to Christianity seems more than fair using the same standard that ties Islam to Iranian actions.
You do remember who we are shooting don’t you? Our sharpshooters target terrorist who blow up markets, burn down schools for teaching math, and throw acid a woman for not being in a burqa. They are scum of the earth, and we do the Lord’s work in removing them from power and killing them.
568 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:49:10am |
re: #552 darthstar
I was equating extremist Christians with extremist Muslims. It’s not hate speech, it’s a fair comparison. Don’t be so damned insecure.
Fundamentalism is fundamentalism is fundamentalism. Doesn’t matter if its Islamic, Christian or Jewish.
569 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:49:26am |
re: #566 MandyManners
GAZE has brought great peace to my life.
Now you’re getting somewhere, young grasshopper.
571 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:49:51am |
re: #563 Dragon_Lady
Way to go. I take my karma one point at a time.
572 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:49:58am |
574 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:50:36am |
re: #552 darthstar
There is one significant difference: there are no Christian extremist states. Though the Balkans have occasionally produced one, they are, in the modern era, very rare— whereas extremist Muslim states are the norm.
Unlike some others here, I don’t believe this says anything about the Muslim religion itself, but simply those who use it as a means to power. However, it is still the actual state of the world. The US is far from perfect but it is saintly compared to Saudi Arabia— most of the worst of the US, to me, is our alliance with those states that we should consider evil.
We’re at least trying to head in the direction of good.
575 | _RememberTonyC Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:50:39am |
is anyone getting started on their taxes? here are 6 things that can help you avoid an audit.
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576 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:50:41am |
re: #568 drcordell
Fundamentalism is fundamentalism is fundamentalism. Doesn’t matter if its Islamic, Christian or Jewish.
You forgot the Amish.
577 | Bagua Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:51:00am |
re: #552 darthstar
I was equating extremist Christians with extremist Muslims. It’s not hate speech, it’s a fair comparison. Don’t be so damned insecure.
I’m not the least insecure, I am telling you that you are making a false and outrageous equivalency in your desire to demonise Bush and evangelical Americans. It is hate speech, period.
578 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:51:04am |
re: #571 PhillyPretzel
Way to go. I take my karma one point at a time.
Thanks! I just made your Karma better! Upding!
579 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:51:14am |
re: #564 cliffster
It’s funny how firmly people become convinced that their image of Christians, based on the craziest ones they’ve seen, is accurate. Nope, I don’t want to hear it.. I’ll tell you what your religion believes.
You are quoting a response to me, and anyone reading it will think I said the opposite of what I did.
580 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:51:47am |
re: #567 Dark_Falcon
They are scum of the earth, and we do the Lord’s work in removing them from power and killing them.
And that statement is why drawing an analogy between America and Iran with regard to religious motivation of political/military actions is possible. How can we claim to hold the moral high ground when we explicitly acknowledge that yes, we ARE fighting a holy war between Islam and Christianity?
Here I am thinking that it was about right and wrong this whole time, and not doing the work of Jesus by killing infidels.
581 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:51:51am |
Scientific study done yesterday:
If you allow a bunch of middle-school aged boys access to battery packs and alligator clips and motors and fans, sooner or later they will figure out how to either blow something up or launch it.
Luckily, we managed to launch a small plastic fan across the room repeatedly. No explosions, although I don’t think I would light a match in the vicinity of their shoes.
583 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:52:40am |
re: #578 Dragon_Lady
TY. I am going to sit back and watch the board a little while. I just shoveled part of my walk.
584 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:53:02am |
re: #545 Bagua
It is hate speech to equate evangelical Christians with the Taliban. Whether this arises from ignorance or malice I don’t know.
Everybody is “The Taliban” except for the Taliban. They’re just a bunch of poor, oppressed, helpless innocent goat herders.
585 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:53:09am |
re: #568 drcordell
Fundamentalism is fundamentalism is fundamentalism. Doesn’t matter if its Islamic, Christian or Jewish.
How about my fundamental opinion of your logical thinking abilities, not to mention grasp of truths?
586 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:53:26am |
re: #542 drcordell
Right. All that “peace and love” spread by Christians in the name of God. Like the “peace and love” of a 5.57mm rifle slug tearing through the head of a someone shot out of a rifle scope with a bible verse engraved on it?
Not saying Christians don’t believe in all of that. But practically our nation’s “Christian” foreign policy has been anything but peaceful. The Republicans repeatedly state as often as they can that we are a Christian nation, under God. Tying our military actions to Christianity seems more than fair using the same standard that ties Islam to Iranian actions.
So you think that, under the Republicans, the USA is a theocracy, and could start religious wars.
Although I have found some here think republicans are “homophobic, racist warmongers”…. I don’t think you will find much support for theocratic.
587 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:53:32am |
re: #579 Naso Tang
You are quoting a response to me, and anyone reading it will think I said the opposite of what I did.
Well, I was responding to comments in general flying around, not to you in particular. If you were unfairly cited in my statement, then I most abjectly and humbly apologize :)
588 | zora Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:54:02am |
This morning as my sons and I were looking at the snow. It’s over three feet and we haven’t been out in days. Schools cancelled the rest of the week. I commented that I had cabin fever. My twelve year old looked at me and said. “Isn’t that a movie where everyone gets killed in a cabin iin the woods”. I assured him that I have no intention of getting mediveal on anyone. I just want to get out.
589 | Bagua Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:54:14am |
re: #542 drcordell
Right. All that “peace and love” spread by Christians in the name of God. Like the “peace and love” of a 5.57mm rifle slug tearing through the head of a someone shot out of a rifle scope with a bible verse engraved on it?
What an absurd statement. Not only showing ignorance of Christianity but also hostility towards the US military.
Not saying Christians don’t believe in all of that. But practically our nation’s “Christian” foreign policy has been anything but peaceful. The Republicans repeatedly state as often as they can that we are a Christian nation, under God. Tying our military actions to Christianity seems more than fair using the same standard that ties Islam to Iranian actions.
US foreign policy is not Christian nor is the military tied to Christianity, your views are so distorted and bigoted that it is useless to expect sensible debate.
590 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:54:32am |
re: #581 EmmmieG
Scientific study done yesterday:
If you allow a bunch of middle-school aged boys access to battery packs and alligator clips and motors and fans, sooner or later they will figure out how to either blow something up or launch it.
Luckily, we managed to launch a small plastic fan across the room repeatedly. No explosions, although I don’t think I would light a match in the vicinity of their shoes.
Careful. Eventually they will learn to produce power fragmentation bombs with sugar, water, yeast and thick-walled bottles.
591 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:54:37am |
re: #555 cliffster
Little Mermaid seems to have gotten old a little while back. Now it’s all princess, all the time. Standard princesses, that is. Cinderella, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty.
I’m getting the new Disney “New Orleans Jazz Princess” movie for my little granddaughters when it comes out on DVD.
592 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:54:43am |
re: #584 Alouette
Everybody is “The Taliban” except for the Taliban. They’re just a bunch of poor, oppressed, helpless innocent goat
herdersfuckers.
593 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:54:44am |
re: #583 PhillyPretzel
TY. I am going to sit back and watch the board a little while. I just shoveled part of my walk.
Did you throw a snow ball? You can’t go outside in the snow without throwing a snow ball! :-)
594 | filetandrelease Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:54:55am |
Sometimes it is best to keep your mouth shut and let others think you a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.
595 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:55:08am |
re: #588 zora
This morning as my sons and I were looking at the snow. It’s over three feet and we haven’t been out in days. Schools cancelled the rest of the week. I commented that I had cabin fever. My twelve year old looked at me and said. “Isn’t that a movie where everyone gets killed in a cabin iin the woods”. I assured him that I have no intention of getting mediveal on anyone. I just want to get out.
“Cabin fever” at my house means I bake a whole bunch of bread.
596 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:55:13am |
re: #586 Buck
So you think that, under the Republicans, the USA is a theocracy, and could start religious wars.
Although I have found some here think republicans are “homophobic, racist warmongers”… I don’t think you will find much support for theocratic.
I’m not saying we are a theocracy, but the GOP clearly has made it clear that they are a theocratic party. Their entire social platform is based entirely on social mores that they explicitly ascribe to the bible. How is that not theocratic?
597 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:55:14am |
599 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:55:54am |
re: #593 Dragon_Lady
Did you throw a snow ball? You can’t go outside in the snow without throwing a snow ball! :-)
If by snowball you mean a shovel load of snow, then yes, I threw a snowball.
:)
600 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:56:13am |
re: #598 Killgore Trout
Y’all are squabbly this morning.
Morning, Killgore. Mind your head, and here’s your fire-resistant suit.
601 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:56:17am |
re: #590 Decatur Deb
Careful. Eventually they will learn to produce power fragmentation bombs with sugar, water, yeast and thick-walled bottles.
We have proven, through repeated trials, that vinegar and baking powder will blow the stopper off of a flask.
Well proven.
Proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Proven until I finally made them hose off the back porch.
602 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:56:19am |
603 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:56:21am |
re: #588 zora
I understand. Blizzard warning this afternoon in Philly.
604 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:56:25am |
re: #582 drcordell
On your part, dude?
You know, I’ve made arguments before here about why Iran would not use nuclear capability, why bombing them is the worst thing we could do, why the acquisition of nukes by everyone is inevitable. I’ve gotten some flak for it, and been able to stand my ground. I haven’t had to talk about the Christian religion— something that obviously a lot of people here take personally and seriously— one bit.
I do not believe the point you’re attempting to make is more than academic, and I think that if your attempt is to convince people about something about Iran, then taking a detour through Tu Quoque is the exact wrong way to do it.
605 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:56:55am |
607 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:04am |
re: #580 drcordell
And that statement is why drawing an analogy between America and Iran with regard to religious motivation of political/military actions is possible. How can we claim to hold the moral high ground when we explicitly acknowledge that yes, we ARE fighting a holy war between Islam and Christianity?
Here I am thinking that it was about right and wrong this whole time, and not doing the work of Jesus by killing infidels.
I at no point said killing Islamist terrorists was the Lord’s work because they were Muslim. I said it was because they are terrorists and I provided multiple examples of their atrocities, all of them committed against other Muslims. But you did build a nice strawman.
608 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:04am |
re: #595 Alouette
“Cabin fever” at my house means I bake a whole bunch of bread.
I like to bake cookies, but my thighs protest every time I do! But RWC takes care of them pretty quickly, he takes them to work and then his Bosses wife eats them instead of me.
609 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:30am |
610 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:40am |
re: #588 zora
This morning as my sons and I were looking at the snow. It’s over three feet and we haven’t been out in days. Schools cancelled the rest of the week. I commented that I had cabin fever. My twelve year old looked at me and said. “Isn’t that a movie where everyone gets killed in a cabin iin the woods”. I assured him that I have no intention of getting mediveal on anyone. I just want to get out.
So don’t be vain, and don’t be whiny,
Or else, my brother, I might have to get medieval on your hiney..
Weird Al, Living in an Amish Paradise
611 | Silvergirl Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:42am |
612 | Stuart Leviton Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:49am |
Blessings to you Mandy and Falcon. Now back to my studies.
613 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:49am |
I LIKE POTATOES! I LIKE ‘EM FRIED, I LIKE ‘EM BOILED, I LIKE ‘EM MASHED!
POTATOES!
614 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:57:52am |
re: #598 Killgore Trout
Y’all are squabbly this morning.
I’m handing out decafe this morning with lots of sweetener, you need some?
615 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:58:14am |
re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I LIKE POTATOES! I LIKE ‘EM FRIED, I LIKE ‘EM BOILED, I LIKE ‘EM MASHED!
POTATOES!
Stuffing is better.
616 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:58:19am |
re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I LIKE POTATOES! I LIKE ‘EM FRIED, I LIKE ‘EM BOILED, I LIKE ‘EM MASHED!
POTATOES!
RASCAL! Get off my keyboard, you fluffy grey furball! I told you no posting while I’m at work!
617 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:58:27am |
618 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:58:29am |
re: #596 drcordell
I’m not saying we are a theocracy, but the GOP clearly has made it clear that they are a theocratic party. Their entire social platform is based entirely on social mores that they explicitly ascribe to the bible. How is that not theocratic?
Easy answer….Their entire social platform is NOT based entirely on social mores that they explicitly ascribe to the bible.
And you clearly don’t know what theocratic means.
619 | webevintage Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:58:36am |
re: #598 Killgore Trout
Y’all are squabbly this morning.
I’m more stabby today the squabbly.
Gingrich and his lying ass ways have made me so.
I’m just sick of the liars.
620 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:59:08am |
re: #589 Bagua
US foreign policy is not Christian nor is the military tied to Christianity, your views are so distorted and bigoted that it is useless to expect sensible debate.
You won’t sensibly debate me because there are facts that directly dispute what you have said.
We have christian bible verses engraved on U.S. military rifle scopes.
[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com…]
We have video of soldiers being briefed that explicitly shows them being handed bibles translated into pashtun and told that their mission is to convert people to Christianity.
We have TOP SECRET Pentagon daily briefings that feature bible verses directly on the cover of the reports!
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]
So, what was that you said again? The military isn’t tied to Christianity?
621 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:59:22am |
re: #552 darthstar
I was equating extremist Christians with extremist Muslims. It’s not hate speech, it’s a fair comparison. Don’t be so damned insecure.
IMHO it’s a valid opinion (i.e. not offensive because it was not intended to offend) but an opinion unsupported by statistics. The death tally as a direct result of actions by the two groups is a study in contrasts…
622 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:59:28am |
re: #617 Varek Raith
NO.
Heretic. Scientific studies have proven that stuffing is a better medium for gravy distribution.
623 | filetandrelease Wed, Feb 10, 2010 8:59:36am |
re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I LIKE POTATOES! I LIKE ‘EM FRIED, I LIKE ‘EM BOILED, I LIKE ‘EM MASHED!
POTATOES!
On the grill with garlic, herbs, butter and veggies. (wrapped in aluminum.)
624 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:00:00am |
re: #607 Dark_Falcon
I at no point said killing Islamist terrorists was the Lord’s work because they were Muslim. I said it was because they are terrorists and I provided multiple examples of their atrocities, all of them committed against other Muslims. But you did build a nice strawman.
brb lunch
625 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:00:08am |
re: #622 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Heretic. Scientific studies have proven that stuffing is a better medium for gravy distribution.
What are you, COINTELPRO or something? Everybody knows that mashed potatoes are far superior. You can make the little dip in the middle with your spoon!
626 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:00:17am |
re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I LIKE POTATOES! I LIKE ‘EM FRIED, I LIKE ‘EM BOILED, I LIKE ‘EM MASHED!
POTATOES!
Seems like you’ll get them all around here, baked, friend and boiled. Also char broiled, vaporized and electrocuted. Good Morning Happy Wednesday! :-)
628 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:01:05am |
Yeeesh, this is why I try so very hard to not argue about religion. Can you say ‘INSTA-PERMA BAN’?
:)
629 | Killgore Trout Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:01:14am |
re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I LIKE POTATOES! I LIKE ‘EM FRIED, I LIKE ‘EM BOILED, I LIKE ‘EM MASHED!
POTATOES!
I dug my potato beds in the garden yesterday. Still might to too early for planting. I’ll never buy corporate spuds again. Big Potato is ripping us off!
630 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:01:30am |
re: #623 filetandrelease
On the grill with garlic, herbs, butter and veggies. (wrapped in aluminum.)
You guys are making me hungry!
631 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:01:33am |
re: #596 drcordell
I’m not saying we are a theocracy, but the GOP clearly has made it clear that they are a theocratic party. Their entire social platform is based entirely on social mores that they explicitly ascribe to the bible. How is that not theocratic?
Identifying the source of one’s social mores and getting the state involved in religion (or religion involved in the state) are two different things. I may or may not believe in the death penalty based on my religious background. That does not necessarily mean that I intend to try to breach the separation of church and state.
I, for one, am more comfortable understanding where a person is coming from than being left worried that they’re making it up as they go along…
632 | Silvergirl Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:01:33am |
Too early for all this heaviness. At least here on the left coast.
Plus, someone said something wise just the other day:
… take a breath or two, take a step back, and cool things out, if you care about making the discourse at LGF the best on the web
633 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:01:34am |
re: #620 drcordell
I give up.
635 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:02:04am |
re: #615 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Too much dead bird innit…
637 | filetandrelease Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:02:50am |
Some people just love hanging out on the bottom 10.
638 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:03:02am |
639 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:03:06am |
re: #631 Aceofwhat?
The problem with knowing where a person is coming from is that they may just be faking it every step of the way.
I’ve found no correlation between religion and anything else. I’ve never found there’s any way to judge a person by anything but the opinions of others and my own interaction with them.
640 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:03:35am |
re: #634 Cannadian Club Akbar
I’m eating a brownie.
RWC would be proud of you, he’s a serious chocoholic!
641 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:03:35am |
642 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:03:37am |
re: #619 webevintage
I’m more stabby today the squabbly.
Gingrich and his lying ass ways have made me so.
I’m just sick of the liars.
Uh… the whole town of Washington’d have to be cleaned out.
Wait! Just Gingrich?
643 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:03:38am |
re: #625 thedopefishlives
What are you, COINTELPRO or something? Everybody knows that mashed potatoes are far superior. You can make the little dip in the middle with your spoon!
Which produces a higher concentration of gravy in a given area, not consistent gravy allocation throughout the side dish. You’re just letting your feelings getting in the way of logic. I would expect that from someone who crafts giant paper mache potatoes and shows up at anti-stuffing rallies.
645 | keloyd Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:04:04am |
I object to WHICH Bible verses went on the guns. There are perfectly good Pulp Fiction “I will smite thee with furious anger…” verses and they picked all the kumbaya fufu ones.
646 | albusteve Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:04:12am |
re: #619 webevintage
I’m more stabby today the squabbly.
Gingrich and his lying ass ways have made me so.
I’m just sick of the liars.
just now?…you’ve been lied to your whole life…politics is not about truth, it’s about power…hello?
647 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:04:41am |
re: #643 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Which produces a higher concentration of gravy in a given area, not consistent gravy allocation throughout the side dish. You’re just letting your feelings getting in the way of logic. I would expect that from someone who crafts giant paper mache potatoes and shows up at anti-stuffing rallies.
But it’s impossible for the gravy to be evenly distributed by gravity. It has to be an inside job. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
648 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:04:43am |
Confucius says, ‘Man who stand on toilet is high on pot’.
649 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:04:44am |
650 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:04:45am |
re: #469 Bagua
Alex Jones is a neo-Nutzi. His political opinions are usually the most extreme version possible of the exact opposite of whoever is in power at any given moment. In all cases, elected officials are merely puppets of The Insidious Shadow Entity That Has Secretly Run Everything For Hundreds Of Years. Illuminati, Freemasons, Knights Templar, you name it, they run it.
I vacillate between thinking that he’s either (A) genuinely a paranoid crazy who really does believe the nonsense he spews, including (and maybe even especially) the self-contradictory parts, or (B) he’s a cynic who has found a niche market of paranoid, credulous, disaffected conspiracy theorists and is riding the crazy train all the way to the bank.
Hell, who knows… maybe he’s both.
651 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:04:58am |
re: #228 darthstar
I liked Cats…didn’t want to see Rent (just didn’t interest me). But a good musical is always fun.
Ooh…it’s bright enough outside to run with the dogs now. Back in a half hour.
I really liked Rent, which surprised me a bit. Only seen the movie, though.
652 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:01am |
re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I LIKE POTATOES! I LIKE ‘EM FRIED, I LIKE ‘EM BOILED, I LIKE ‘EM MASHED!
POTATOES!
Gee…you don’t treat them very well for someone who likes ‘em so much.
653 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:05am |
re: #645 keloyd
I object to WHICH Bible verses went on the guns. There are perfectly good Pulp Fiction “I will smite thee with furious anger…” verses and they picked all the kumbaya fufu ones.
CONSULT THE BOOK OF ARMAMENTS!
654 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:09am |
re: #632 Silvergirl
Too early for all this heaviness. At least here on the left coast.
Plus, someone said something wise just the other day:
Thank you Silvergirl, have a great day!
655 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:10am |
657 | Bagua Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:20am |
re: #620 drcordell
You won’t sensibly debate me because there are facts that directly dispute what you have said.
We have christian bible verses engraved on U.S. military rifle scopes.
[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com…]
It is impossible to “sensible debate” someone who is making ridiculous statements that show no understanding and no moral compass. You are making false equivalencies. The soldiers using those scopes were unaware of the coded marking on their scopes, they are also deployed to fight evil under an UN mandate, not to spread terrorism or Christianity.
We have video of soldiers being briefed that explicitly shows them being handed bibles translated into pashtun and told that their mission is to convert people to Christianity.
We have TOP SECRET Pentagon daily briefings that feature bible verses directly on the cover of the reports!
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]
So, what was that you said again? The military isn’t tied to Christianity?
More absurd nonsense. You have an irrational hatred of Christianity and the United States.
658 | Spare O'Lake Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:20am |
re: #568 drcordell
Fundamentalism is fundamentalism is fundamentalism. Doesn’t matter if its Islamic, Christian or Jewish.
You are fundamentally wrong.
659 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:28am |
If you make your garlic mashed potatoes properly, you know with real roasted garlic and not some cheesy granulated stuff, you don’t need gravy.
660 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:39am |
re: #652 darthstar
Gee…you don’t treat them very well for someone who likes ‘em so much.
I nuke ‘em, as well.
:evilgrin:
661 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:05:48am |
re: #648 Varek Raith
Confucius says, ‘Man who stand on toilet is high on pot’.
Man who go to bed with itchy butt; wake up with stinky finger.
662 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:06:02am |
re: #659 EmmmieG
If you make your garlic mashed potatoes properly, you know with real roasted garlic and not some cheesy granulated stuff, you don’t need gravy.
…Although cheesy garlic mashed potatoes are also really really good…
663 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:06:44am |
re: #659 EmmmieG
1/2 cup of sour cream instead of milk.
664 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:06:45am |
re: #647 thedopefishlives
But it’s impossible for the gravy to be evenly distributed by gravity. It has to be an inside job. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
Proper gravy distribution is a product of intelligent design.
665 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:07:19am |
re: #628 Varek Raith
Yeeesh, this is why I try so very hard to not argue about religion. Can you say ‘INSTA-PERMA BAN’?
:)
re: #632 Silvergirl
Too early for all this heaviness. At least here on the left coast.
Plus, someone said something wise just the other day:
For the subject matter, this AM is actually fairly civilized. Might be time-of-day.
666 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:07:21am |
re: #663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
1/2 cup of sour cream instead of milk.
Fresh chives from the garden.
667 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:07:42am |
re: #650 negativ
Alex Jones is a neo-Nutzi. His political opinions are usually the most extreme version possible of the exact opposite of whoever is in power at any given moment. In all cases, elected officials are merely puppets of The Insidious Shadow Entity That Has Secretly Run Everything For Hundreds Of Years. Illuminati, Freemasons, Knights Templar, you name it, they run it.
I vacillate between thinking that he’s either (A) genuinely a paranoid crazy who really does believe the nonsense he spews, including (and maybe even especially) the self-contradictory parts, or (B) he’s a cynic who has found a niche market of paranoid, credulous, disaffected conspiracy theorists and is riding the crazy train all the way to the bank.
Hell, who knows… maybe he’s both.
Both. Remember how much he reviled Pres. Bush? (Someone told me the other day that he was the same with Clinton but I didn’t know about him back then.)
668 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:07:55am |
re: #645 keloyd
I object to WHICH Bible verses went on the guns. There are perfectly good Pulp Fiction “I will smite thee with furious anger…” verses and they picked all the kumbaya fufu ones.
Which tells you most of what you need to know about the people who put them there. They are Christians and they emphasize the “do right and and have faith” parts of the Bible, not the bloody parts drcordell might dwell on.
670 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:08:06am |
re: #664 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Proper gravy distribution is a product of intelligent design.
Aligot is the top of the cheese-potato evolutionary food-chain.
671 | Professor Chaos Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:08:17am |
re: #664 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Proper gravy distribution is a product of intelligent design.
Bullshit. There are no “gaps” in the gravy record. That talking point was debunked long ago.
672 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:08:32am |
re: #317 laZardo
It’s all Israel’s fault.
/
//cannot seriously believe that there are people that…seriously believe that.
Oh, there are. There are.
673 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:08:36am |
674 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:08:36am |
re: #657 Bagua
More absurd nonsense. You have an irrational hatred of Christianity and the United States.
Notice how he’s citing two Prog sites?
675 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:08:40am |
re: #648 Varek Raith
Confucius says, ‘Man who stand on toilet is high on pot’.
Varek I said it before and I’ll say it again, you are my hero today! :-)
676 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:08:42am |
Reporter to John McKay (Bucs first coach): So, what do you think of your teams execution?
McKay: I’m all for it.
(This is a real quote)
677 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:09:27am |
re: #323 Mad Al-Jaffee
She’s awesome. Most people don’t realize that she’s not just a *ahem* pretty face. She’s a very talented singer and songwriter. Check out her original version of “I’ll Always Love You” sometime.
I love Dolly Parton.
678 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:09:33am |
Have you ever been about to do something, and you stop and look, and wonder if you are be foolish.
One of the boys blew out the speaker on the snap circuit kit. (He was freestyling, and not following the instructions.) I’m about to order a replacement.
Should I do this? It’s the speaker. What if I hide the buzzer IC, and allow allow them the music IC?
679 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:09:37am |
680 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:10:53am |
re: #671 Girth
Bullshit. There are no “gaps” in the gravy record. That talking point was debunked long ago.
Sigh. Where are the transition gravies? I see no cases of Au Jus turning into Brown Gravy, or Mushroom gravy evolving into a Chicken gravy. WHERE ARE THE TRANSITIONS!?
681 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:11:05am |
re: #663 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
1/2 cup of sour cream instead of milk.
I mash potatoes thusly(when I’m feeling fancy):
butter, milk, and egg yolk…mash well, then put into a pastry bag and make little spirals on a baking sheet. Place in 350 degree oven for about 8 to 10 minutes, then plate next to meat and veggies.
682 | lawhawk Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:11:22am |
re: #679 Decatur Deb
Awww…. just jump in the fridge… all will be well.
683 | Bagua Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:11:25am |
re: #674 MandyManners
Notice how he’s citing two Prog sites?
I didn’t even check his sources as his views are so disconnected from reality. By his reasoning, George Bush and Barack Obama are the same because they are both Presidents, nay, they are identical because they both use the word ‘the’ in a speech. It is a waste of time to debate on those terms.
684 | webevintage Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:11:34am |
re: #642 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Uh… the whole town of Washington’d have to be cleaned out.
Wait! Just Gingrich?
He’s just the one that is annoying me at this specific moment.
In an effort to explain why Holder is the worstest AG EVAH and how the Christmas Panty Bomber should not have been taken by the FBI (blahblahblahblah) Jon Stewart pointed out that the Obama Administration did exactly what the Bush administration did with Richard Reid and to that Newt replied “but He was an American citizen”.
I don’t care about “talking points” and being hypocrites to win political points/scare the American people, but the least they could do is be honest and factual.
685 | albusteve Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:11:35am |
re: #679 Decatur Deb
Don’t say “nuke”. That’s how all this started.
“hail to the king baby”
Duke Nukem
686 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:11:50am |
re: #680 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sigh. Where are the transition gravies? I see no cases of Au Jus turning into Brown Gravy, or Mushroom gravy evolving into a Chicken gravy. WHERE ARE THE TRANSITIONS!?
I eated them. Therefore, they died out before they had a chance to be properly fossilized.
688 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:12:01am |
689 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:12:05am |
re: #682 lawhawk
Awww… just jump in the fridge… all will be well.
I ducked and covered a hundred comments ago.
690 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:12:20am |
re: #688 darthstar
That really chafes my dish.
Great, now a pun thread. That’ll blow the lid off of it.
691 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:12:30am |
re: #596 drcordell
I’m not saying we are a theocracy, but the GOP clearly has made it clear that they are a theocratic party. Their entire social platform is based entirely on social mores that they explicitly ascribe to the bible. How is that not theocratic?
We have plenty of discussions here about just that. However when you again use your boundless ability to leap to conclusions that are linked mainly with words (your words) like “entire”, “entirely”, “explicitly”, and the bible, then one has to wonder if you aren’t just trolling.
692 | albusteve Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:12:55am |
re: #690 thedopefishlives
Great, now a pun thread. That’ll blow the lid off of it.
get a handle on it
693 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:13:15am |
694 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:13:28am |
re: #690 thedopefishlives
Great, now a pun thread. That’ll blow the lid off of it.
If you can put stock in those kinds of thread.
695 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:13:48am |
Oh, great, out of the frying pan and into the fire.
696 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:03am |
re: #681 darthstar
I mash potatoes thusly(when I’m feeling fancy):
butter, milk, and egg yolk…mash well, then put into a pastry bag and make little spirals on a baking sheet. Place in 350 degree oven for about 8 to 10 minutes, then plate next to meat and veggies.
Have you ever tried Mashed Potato pancakes? My mom used to make them for me when I was a kid, I love em!
697 | jaunte Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:04am |
re: #694 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Revere ware proves that we are a theocracy.
698 | albusteve Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:12am |
“it’s down to you and me, you one eyed freak”
Duke Nukem
699 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:17am |
re: #639 Obdicut
The problem with knowing where a person is coming from is that they may just be faking it every step of the way.
I’ve found no correlation between religion and anything else. I’ve never found there’s any way to judge a person by anything but the opinions of others and my own interaction with them.
well said
700 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:20am |
re: #696 Dragon_Lady
Have you ever tried Mashed Potato pancakes? My mom used to make them for me when I was a kid, I love em!
Okay, NOW you’re making me hungry.
701 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:25am |
re: #676 Cannadian Club Akbar
My favorite baseball quotes…
“What makes a great baseball manager?”
“Great players.”
702 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:26am |
re: #690 thedopefishlives
Great, now a pun thread. That’ll blow the lid off of it.
This place has been simmering all morning.
703 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:34am |
704 | Slap Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:14:49am |
re: #333 cliffster
I’ve always thought her version was superior by far. Much stronger in passion, even if the vocals aren’t as
powerfuloverly laden with gratuitous strings of hey-look-what-i-can-do oversquiggled vocalese on every syllable.
FTFY.
705 | Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:15:18am |
This thread proves evolution:
Anger-wise ass-a couple funnies-pun:)
706 | Achilles Tang Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:15:20am |
707 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:15:22am |
re: #698 albusteve
“it’s down to you and me, you one eyed freak”
Duke Nukem
Now I’ve seen everything… albusteve quoting Duke Nukem…
:)
708 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:15:37am |
709 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:15:48am |
re: #375 MandyManners
Would MAD work with ShortShit and the Mullahs?
I hope so. My hunch and hope is that the mad mullahs are a lot less apocalyptic than they’d like to project.
710 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:15:58am |
711 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:16:07am |
re: #705 Cannadian Club Akbar
This thread proves evolution:
Anger-wise ass-a couple funnies-pun:)
Someone could probably write a scholarly academic paper on the subject of Internet forums like this one.
712 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:16:20am |
714 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:16:36am |
re: #698 albusteve
“it’s down to you and me, you one eyed freak”
Duke Nukem
all Duke Nukem quotes get updings for sheer nostalgic purposes.
715 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:16:38am |
re: #706 Naso Tang
Not really, just roasting some tripe.
Well, seeing as how my troll grill is buried under the snow….
716 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:16:43am |
717 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:17:02am |
718 | albusteve Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:17:04am |
re: #707 Varek Raith
Now I’ve seen everything… albusteve quoting Duke Nukem…
:)
“I’m gonna put the smack dab on your ass”
Duke Nukem
719 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:17:14am |
re: #715 Dark_Falcon
Well, seeing as how my troll grill is buried under the snow…
It’s alright, the troll barbecue was nice and hot early this morning. Flavor of the day is my favorite; smoky sweet hickory barbecue sauce.
720 | oldegeezr Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:17:20am |
re: #586 Buck
Maybe the GOP not so much… but how about those Tea Baggers, at their convention last week?
Joseph Farah, of World Net Daily, gave one hell of a stem winder of a keynote speech, calling for a true theocracy in America.
Now if the GOP starts to embrace the Tea Baggers and all their thistles and bad seeds…?
Oh well…!
721 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:17:37am |
722 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:17:41am |
re: #409 drcordell
Care to explain why the Soviet Union didn’t nuke us during the Cold War? Remember, they were the Godless Communists hellbent on a first-strike and the destruction of the world?
I remember those days.
723 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:18:20am |
724 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:18:36am |
re: #717 Dragon_Lady
Isn’t that what they do in Korea?
Supposedly happened to a buddy’s retriever near Yongsan.
725 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:18:47am |
re: #722 SanFranciscoZionist
Wasn’t ‘cause they knew we’d kill them back?
726 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:19:01am |
re: #715 Dark_Falcon
Well, seeing as how my troll grill is buried under the snow…
You can borrow this…
727 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:19:06am |
re: #419 Naso Tang
That is a stupid statement. They have a death wish, as is spoken in every opening statement by their little leader, but on their terms.
It’s not a stupid statement, although it may be an incorrect one.
728 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:19:13am |
re: #700 thedopefishlives
Okay, NOW you’re making me hungry.
I got the recipe, I make them when ever I can. Love em, love, love em! Noms, noms!
729 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:19:14am |
re: #703 SanFranciscoZionist
This is what I see:
re: #373 MandyManners
I thought Jordan had a treaty with Israel.
They do. Since 94.
powerfuloverly laden with gratuitous strings of hey-look-what-i-can-do oversquiggled vocalese on every syllable.
FTFY.
730 | Slap Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:19:18am |
re: #713 cliffster
Apparently. My strikethru skills need serious work.
731 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:20:12am |
re: #709 SanFranciscoZionist
I hope so. My hunch and hope is that the mad mullahs are a lot less apocalyptic than they’d like to project.
I hope but, I won’t bet any money on it.
732 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:20:40am |
re: #429 Buck
The difference is that they have used suicide human weapons before. Used their population as cannon fodder in the past. GWB hasn’t.
The Iranians have paid Arab suicide bombers, but so far have not produced their own. I think that’s significant.
733 | albusteve Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:21:10am |
“you’re an inspiration for birth control”
Duke Nukem
734 | Professor Chaos Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:21:19am |
re: #680 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sigh. Where are the transition gravies? I see no cases of Au Jus turning into Brown Gravy, or Mushroom gravy evolving into a Chicken gravy. WHERE ARE THE TRANSITIONS!?
[Link: www.tastebook.com…]
Note: The consistency falls in the middle between a cream gravy and an au jus.
735 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:21:29am |
736 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:21:38am |
re: #726 Varek Raith
You can borrow this…
[Video]
No thanks, we’ve seen too many flame tanks in action on LGF lately. What game is that from, though?
737 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:21:51am |
739 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:22:02am |
re: #736 Dark_Falcon
No thanks, we’ve seen too many flame tanks in action on LGF lately. What game is that from, though?
Command and Conquer. Brilliant.
740 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:22:05am |
I am very happy my order from amazon just came. A new pyrex 1 quart measuring cup and a set of stainless steel measuring spoon and cup set. Thank you again Charles for having that amazon link on your site.
741 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:22:09am |
742 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:23:39am |
Well now you’ll just have to spoon up some more jokes, won’t you!
743 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:23:58am |
re: #736 Dark_Falcon
No thanks, we’ve seen too many flame tanks in action on LGF lately. What game is that from, though?
Command & Conquer: Tiberian Dawn
744 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:24:09am |
746 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:25:25am |
re: #742 Dragon_Lady
Well now you’ll just have to spoon up some more jokes, won’t you!
Yeah, fork ‘em on over.
747 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:26:13am |
re: #732 SanFranciscoZionist
The Iranians have paid Arab suicide bombers, but so far have not produced their own. I think that’s significant.
Huh?
Iran: We have 70000 suicide bombers ready to strike Israel
World Islamic Organization’s Headquarters for Remembering the Shahids [Martyrs] — says the volunteers want to carry out “martyrdom operations to liberate Islamic lands,” according to a report broadcast by Al-Arabiya TV and translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI.
You can search for the links, and the hundreds of others.
749 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:26:33am |
Check out this story. Someone took a funny jab at the Tea Party crowd:
750 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:26:37am |
re: #742 Dragon_Lady
Well now you’ll just have to spoon up some more jokes, won’t you!
I asked you to leave the cutlery.
753 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:28:23am |
re: #749 Dark_Falcon
Check out this story. Someone took a funny jab at the Tea Party crowd:
Ahahahaha!
:)
754 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:28:32am |
755 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:29:07am |
756 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:29:54am |
757 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:30:27am |
Good thing I don’t fly, they closed Dulles airport for 24 hours…
758 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:30:41am |
re: #755 Dragon_Lady
A spork is a combination of a fork and spoon in one utensil.
759 | Reginald Perrin Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:30:42am |
re: #749 Dark_Falcon
I was reading the Sunday morning open thread and am curious, who the heck is this BMS that I am supposed to be missing?
760 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:30:50am |
re: #755 Dragon_Lady
Who you callin a spork?
I’m calling you a cork, cause its too early to be drinking.
/nonsensical but fun
761 | Decatur Deb Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:31:07am |
re: #749 Dark_Falcon
Check out this story. Someone took a funny jab at the Tea Party crowd:
A “juvenile dig” in a comic book? Well, I nevah….
762 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:31:47am |
re: #759 Reginald Perrin
I was reading the Sunday morning open thread and am curious, who the heck is this BMS that I am supposed to be missing?
What do you mean? I don’t remember any such comment.
763 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:31:55am |
Yeah ya could I guess, bu then I don know what thaut is! Is that a fight’n word? Is don like fight’n words, now ya hear? :P
764 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:31:56am |
re: #757 Varek Raith
We will be hearing of more closings during the afternoon.
765 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:32:38am |
re: #761 Decatur Deb
A “juvenile dig” in a comic book? Well, I nevah…
The funny part is that there have been actual signs with words such as that.
766 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:32:48am |
re: #747 Buck
Huh?
Iran: We have 70000 suicide bombers ready to strike Israel
World Islamic Organization’s Headquarters for Remembering the Shahids [Martyrs] — says the volunteers want to carry out “martyrdom operations to liberate Islamic lands,” according to a report broadcast by Al-Arabiya TV and translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI.
You can search for the links, and the hundreds of others.
That’s what they’re saying, not what they’ve done. Both need to be taken into account.
767 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:33:39am |
re: #758 PhillyPretzel
A spork is a combination of a fork and spoon in one utensil.
Yeah I got that, I is jus be’un silly. I like laughter rather than fight’n.
768 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:34:40am |
re: #765 Dark_Falcon
The funny part is that there have been actual signs with words such as that.
That sigh in the comic was a real sign at a TP protests…
:D
770 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:34:51am |
re: #767 Dragon_Lady
And screwin’. Don’t forget the screwin’!
771 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:34:56am |
And here’s a jaw-dropping story out of Brazil:
772 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:35:46am |
re: #760 Dark_Falcon
I’m calling you a cork, cause its too early to be drinking.
/nonsensical but fun
Works for me! Live, laugh, love, that’s my motto!
773 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:36:04am |
re: #767 Dragon_Lady
It is better to laugh than to cry or fight.
774 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:36:32am |
re: #771 Dark_Falcon
And here’s a jaw-dropping story out of Brazil:
If even Rio thinks it’s inappropriate, its inappropriate.
775 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:36:47am |
re: #770 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And screwin’. Don’t forget the screwin’!
Yeah, RWC’s real big on that one! Ooops TMI? Sorry!
776 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:37:01am |
re: #764 PhillyPretzel
We will be hearing of more closings during the afternoon.
Yep, your in Philly, right? I’m in Northern Va. Sigh, they’re telling me 10 to 15” instead of the earlier forecast of 4-8”…Wheee!
777 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:37:22am |
778 | darthstar Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:37:28am |
re: #749 Dark_Falcon
Check out this story. Someone took a funny jab at the Tea Party crowd:
Poor Teabaggers…they’re so insecure they can’t even handle that?
780 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:38:36am |
re: #778 darthstar
Poor Teabaggers…they’re so insecure they can’t even handle that?
You’d think they’d be more worried about the organizers of their protests… :/
782 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:39:16am |
re: #776 Varek Raith
For now it is fun. I have to shovel that #$@ stuff.
783 | filetandrelease Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:40:09am |
re: #781 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It must have been bad for him to get the boot.
784 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:40:52am |
re: #783 filetandrelease
It was. Though, that’s all I’ll say.
785 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:41:01am |
re: #778 darthstar
Poor Teabaggers…they’re so insecure they can’t even handle that?
It’s just the usual TeaBag Perpetual Outrage Machine. The screams about being mocked are simply to keep the followers keyed up. If their outrage faded, some of them would realize just how crazy their leadership is.
786 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:41:20am |
re: #783 filetandrelease
If I were a Carpenter? I’d be Richard.
787 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:41:46am |
re: #786 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If I were a Carpenter? I’d be Richard.
Well ,, you’re halfway there
You ARE a “DICK”!!!
/
788 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:41:48am |
re: #781 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
heh… that rhymed…
789 | Reginald Perrin Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:42:15am |
re: #777 Dark_Falcon
No, it’s nothing like that at all, I was taken by surprise to hear I was mentioned because I have been keeping a very low profile here so I would not be a nuisance and attract unwanted attention from the stalkers. To be honest, I don’t even remember BSM.
I sent you an email to explain what is currently coming down unseen in the shadows.
790 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:42:26am |
re: #786 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If I were a Carpenter? I’d be Richard.
I’d rather be Karen. What a voice she had! I still miss her singing…
791 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:42:33am |
re: #786 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If I were a Carpenter? I’d be Richard.
Because “I’M NOT KAREN!”
get it?
792 | filetandrelease Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:42:45am |
re: #786 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
A blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then.
793 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:42:47am |
Christian teacher ‘forced out’ after complaining Muslim pupils praised 9/11 hijackers ‘as heroes’
Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]
794 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:42:57am |
re: #788 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
heh… that rhymed…
You’re a poet
and you don’t even know it
You can make a ryhme
Any ole time!
795 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:43:13am |
796 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:43:16am |
797 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:43:23am |
re: #781 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I miss the monkey that I knew. I don’t miss the one that started flinging poo.
Quite concur.
798 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:43:29am |
re: #794 sattv4u2
You’re a poet
and you don’t even know itYou can make a ryhme
Any ole time!
Get worse, every verse.
799 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:44:00am |
re: #789 Reginald Perrin
No, it’s nothing like that at all, I was taken by surprise to hear I was mentioned because I have been keeping a very low profile here so I would not be a nuisance and attract unwanted attention from the stalkers. To be honest, I don’t even remember BSM.
I sent you an email to explain what is currently coming down unseen in the shadows.
I’ll check into it.
800 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:44:28am |
re: #782 PhillyPretzel
For now it is fun. I have to shovel that #$@ stuff.
Poor baby… throw a snow ball! Make a snow man! That should lighten up the mood!
802 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:45:38am |
803 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:46:35am |
re: #800 Dragon_Lady
What’s the difference between a snow-man and a snow-woman?
Snow balls.
804 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:46:43am |
re: #795 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
They just sold her house after all these years.
No kitchen…
Did you see the documentary they did on her? It’s no wonder she wouldn’t eat! Richard wouldn’t let her breath!
805 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:47:11am |
re: #803 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What’s the difference between a snow-man and a snow-woman?
Snow balls.
FBV I love your humor!
806 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:47:41am |
re: #803 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What’s the difference between a snow-man and a snow-woman?
Snow balls.
Teabagging!
807 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:48:08am |
re: #766 SanFranciscoZionist
That’s what they’re saying, not what they’ve done. Both need to be taken into account.
Not for the discussion we were having. A government who makes those sort of announcements sets itself apart from a government that can lay claim to care about the people.
In this case we were discussing the possible Iranian governments use of atomic/nuclear bombs with the belief that the 12th Iman would save them from repercussions. And comparing that to GWB’s belief in the 2nd coming of Christ.
In that discussion you need to listen and note what they SAY, because if you wait until they DO, it is too late.
808 | PhillyPretzel Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:48:09am |
re: #800 Dragon_Lady
I am happy I got my order from amazon.
809 | freetoken Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:48:29am |
re: #803 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There’s a Calvin and Hobbes cartoon to that effect…
810 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:48:34am |
re: #788 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
heh… that rhymed…
Well… not anymore.
Sorry, Charles. Was even careful about the way I wrote that.
811 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:48:51am |
re: #803 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
What’s the difference between a snow-man and a snow-woman?
Snow balls.
Why was the snowman smiling?
He heard the snowblower was on it’s way!
812 | Reginald Perrin Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:48:59am |
re: #802 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Actually it’s more like a comedy, you have to remember we are talking about the intellectual midgets at the stalker blog.
814 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:49:42am |
re: #808 PhillyPretzel
I am happy I got my order from amazon.
I’m happy you’re happy! Upding for happiness! :-)
815 | ryannon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:50:37am |
816 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:51:39am |
re: #810 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well… not anymore.
Sorry, Charles. Was even careful about the way I wrote that.
click-click-boom!
817 | srb1976 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:52:32am |
Morning again! Children dropped off, laundry project underway….now if I could just find soemplace to drop off better half to keep HIM out of my hair……
818 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:53:25am |
re: #817 srb1976
Morning again! Children dropped off, laundry project underway…now if I could just find soemplace to drop off better half to keep HIM out of my hair…
*Don’t say strip bar, don’t say strip bar…*
…Dammit!
/:)
819 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:53:27am |
re: #817 srb1976
Morning again! Children dropped off, laundry project underway…now if I could just find soemplace to drop off better half to keep HIM out of my hair…
SOLUTION
shave your head!
821 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:54:19am |
822 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:55:30am |
re: #821 Dark_Falcon
I trust your store’s audit went well?
823 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:56:28am |
re: #822 Varek Raith
I trust your store’s audit went well?
Yes, it went just fine. We passed with a comfortable margin.
824 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:56:37am |
Oooh, I just hit 900 on my Karma!!! Neato!
825 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:56:54am |
826 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:57:23am |
re: #823 Dark_Falcon
Yes, it went just fine. We passed with a comfortable margin.
What kind of store? If you don’t mind my asking…
827 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 9:58:32am |
re: #824 Dragon_Lady
Oooh, I just hit 900 on my Karma!!! Neato!
Only need 10x that and then I can make a ‘ITS OVER 9000!11!’ joke!
:)
828 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:00:03am |
re: #824 Dragon_Lady
Oooh, I just hit 900 on my Karma!!! Neato!
I think you get a toaster at 1,000!
(gold watch at 50K)
829 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:00:08am |
re: #827 Varek Raith
Only need 10x that and then I can make a ‘ITS OVER 9000!11!’ joke!
:)
Love it! :-)
831 | srb1976 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:02:21am |
re: #818 Varek Raith
*Don’t say strip bar, don’t say strip bar…*
…Dammit!
/:)
I almost wish he would, but I can’t afford it right now…..
That’s ok, his mom is on her way down and I am taking her (not him) out to lunch = )
832 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:02:31am |
re: #657 Bagua
More absurd nonsense. You have an irrational hatred of Christianity and the United States.
Just as I expected. You simply ignore the entirety of my post and claim that it’s not true. Then you label me someone who “hates” the U.S. simply because you can’t come up with a better argument.
833 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:02:39am |
re: #828 sattv4u2
I think you get a toaster at 1,000!
(gold watch at 50K)
I could use a new one! :-) Toaster that is, I have a gold watch already. ;P
835 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:03:08am |
re: #832 drcordell
Please don’t start it up again, for the love of Mike.
836 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:03:12am |
re: #826 Dragon_Lady
What kind of store? If you don’t mind my asking…
He could tell you but then he’d have to kill you
837 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:03:34am |
re: #828 sattv4u2
I think you get a toaster at 1,000!
(gold watch at 50K)
Hey! I didn’t get a toaster!
:P
839 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:04:07am |
840 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:04:17am |
841 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:05:10am |
re: #683 Bagua
I didn’t even check his sources as his views are so disconnected from reality. By his reasoning, George Bush and Barack Obama are the same because they are both Presidents, nay, they are identical because they both use the word ‘the’ in a speech. It is a waste of time to debate on those terms.
You didn’t even check my sources. Even better. You are disputing the factual claims that I have made, without even making the effort to click a single link. Pathetic.
843 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:05:28am |
re: #826 Dragon_Lady
What kind of store? If you don’t mind my asking…
Sales and repair of mobile phones.
844 | freetoken Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:05:31am |
845 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:06:00am |
846 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:07:26am |
847 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:07:45am |
re: #842 Reginald Perrin
ditto
And again sent. ;) I’m, about to go to work so any further replies will be read tonight.
848 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:08:01am |
re: #835 Obdicut
Please don’t start it up again, for the love of Mike.
Bagua is more than entitled to his/her opinion. What I take issue with is that Bagua engages me in a debate, and then completely ignores the substance of my post to label me someone who has an “irrational hatred of the U.S.” Without even addressing the merit of a single point that I made.
849 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:08:22am |
re: #843 Dark_Falcon
Sales and repair of mobile phones.
Cool! I used to be in sales… Spent 20 years + at it. Now I’m a full time homebody…. and the survey says: boring! :(
851 | Buck Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:08:49am |
re: #848 drcordell
What I take issue with is that Bagua engages me in a debate, and then completely ignores the substance of my post to label me someone who has an “irrational hatred of the U.S.” Without even addressing the merit of a single point that I made.
Pot meet kettle…
853 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:08:58am |
re: #843 Dark_Falcon
Sales and repair of mobile phones.
Thank you for proceeding to down-ding every one of my posts.
854 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:09:27am |
855 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:10:22am |
re: #851 Buck
Pot meet kettle…
Analogy fail. Find me an instance where someone has sent me links that prove their point and I flat-out refuse to even acknowledge the substance of their post.
856 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:10:25am |
re: #848 drcordell
However, as I said before, the analogy you were using did nothing but turn the argument into a reflexive mess; I don’t think it’s right to make the boilerplate accusation that you have an ‘irrational hatred of the US’, but I also think that you’d best be looking to your own arguments and how you can better present them so as to, oh, I don’t know, simply piss off everyone who you’re apparently trying to appeal to or persuade.
858 | Reginald Perrin Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:11:18am |
re: #847 Dark_Falcon
Same here, lunch break is oiver and it’s time to get back to work.
There is no hurry, it’s not happening until the beginning of April and then only if everything is properly in place.
TTYL
859 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:12:16am |
re: #857 drcordell
You went to charm school, didn’t you?
860 | Varek Raith Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:12:16am |
Well, I out until tonight!
Later, Lizardia!
…and Nodrog, knock it off.
861 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:12:24am |
re: #856 Obdicut
However, as I said before, the analogy you were using did nothing but turn the argument into a reflexive mess; I don’t think it’s right to make the boilerplate accusation that you have an ‘irrational hatred of the US’, but I also think that you’d best be looking to your own arguments and how you can better present them so as to, oh, I don’t know, simply piss off everyone who you’re apparently trying to appeal to or persuade.
Bagua specifically stated that the U.S. military has nothing to do with Christianity. And I posted three specific links to various articles that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the Christianist influence within the U.S. military. And for that I am labeled an “America hater.”
862 | Silvergirl Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:13:01am |
863 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:13:10am |
re: #853 drcordell
Thank you for proceeding to down-ding every one of my posts.
You know, in ally my time spent here I have never down-dinged any one, but I came really close to giving you my first one. Fighting doesn’t do anything but upset others. Pretty please don’t make me down-ding you today.
864 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:13:57am |
re: #861 drcordell
Are you having trouble reading? I have no problem with saying you shouldn’t be called an “America hater”. I’m trying to point out to you, over and over, that if your real intention is to communicate and persuade, then you’re going about it like a complete goddamn jackass. And if you’re not— which your above post to DF makes me think— then you’re just venting or something and it’s tiresome.
865 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:14:11am |
re: #861 drcordell
Bagua specifically stated that the U.S. military has nothing to do with Christianity. And I posted three specific links to various articles that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the Christianist influence within the U.S. military. And for that I am labeled an “America hater.”
Kindly note that there were more detached responses to some of your posts, which you have not engaged. Ergo, appearance of pissing vs. debating.
866 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:14:26am |
re: #861 drcordell
“beyond a shadow of a doubt” often doesn’t mean what people think it means.
867 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:14:39am |
re: #865 Aceofwhat?
Exactly.
868 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:14:43am |
re: #864 Obdicut
Are you having trouble reading? I have no problem with saying you shouldn’t be called an “America hater”. I’m trying to point out to you, over and over, that if your real intention is to communicate and persuade, then you’re going about it like a complete goddamn jackass. And if you’re not— which your above post to DF makes me think— then you’re just venting or something and it’s tiresome.
well said
869 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:15:00am |
re: #862 Silvergirl
Another one for the Bottom Ten Hit Parade.
Go scroll up the thread. So far I’ve been called an irrational America hater, and been compared to Alex Jones. By that metric a crack about mobile phones shouldn’t really phase anyone.
871 | Aceofwhat? Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:15:52am |
re: #867 Obdicut
Exactly.
So, do we have to, like, hug after 867 and 868? I hug but i don’t make out…so your GF doesn’t have anything to worry about there…
872 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:16:08am |
re: #869 drcordell
Except you made the crack about Alex Jones to someone who didn’t fucking deserve it, and it’s a classist, sneering crack that plays right into every stereotype of a leftist elitist.
Your’e doing far more harm for your own point of view than you are good, and I don’t understand why you can’t just stop.
873 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:16:34am |
re: #869 drcordell
Stop whining or I’ll smack you.
874 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:16:41am |
re: #871 Aceofwhat?
I’ll be sending you a Mutual Admiration Society membership card.
875 | cliffster Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:17:16am |
re: #869 drcordell
Go scroll up the thread. So far I’ve been called an irrational America hater, and been compared to Alex Jones. By that metric a crack about mobile phones shouldn’t really phase anyone.
I’m glad you’ve found a place where you can be amongst friends..
876 | Dark_Falcon Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:17:34am |
re: #862 Silvergirl
Another one for the Bottom Ten Hit Parade.
Some people like to wear their downdings as badges of honor. Some those people also like to eat martyr cookies and think wearing their own asses as hats is a classy fashion statement.
I’m off to work. Every be careful around the troll. When trolls get agitated, they spew toxic bile.
877 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:17:47am |
re: #864 Obdicut
Are you having trouble reading? I have no problem with saying you shouldn’t be called an “America hater”. I’m trying to point out to you, over and over, that if your real intention is to communicate and persuade, then you’re going about it like a complete goddamn jackass. And if you’re not— which your above post to DF makes me think— then you’re just venting or something and it’s tiresome.
You are completely right. I agree that everything degenerates into a quasi flame-war all to quickly sometimes on LGF. And I recognize that I should temper myself more than I usually do. But I also recognize that part of that stems from the fact that any contact with certain “third rails” on this site means that you are labeled an anti-semitic Alex Jones follower in about .05 seconds. Once bombs start getting lobbed I’m not about to stop myself from being extremely blunt.
878 | thedopefishlives Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:18:48am |
re: #870 thedopefishlives
Ironically enough, close on the keyboard is the word GAZE.
879 | Silvergirl Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:19:44am |
re: #869 drcordell
Go scroll up the thread. So far I’ve been called an irrational America hater, and been compared to Alex Jones. By that metric a crack about mobile phones shouldn’t really phase anyone.
Faze.
Name calling isn’t nice in general. I just did it to Mike Huckabee, though he probably can’t hear me. In arguing politics, comparisons to others who seemingly hold like views are usual. If it is perceived you aren’t loyal to your country, that may come up. Low blows. A person’s personal life and livelihood? The lowest.
880 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:21:03am |
re: #877 drcordell
You’re lobbing bombs without reference to who you’re tossing them at, is the problem. You’re treating Bagua and DF as though they’re the same, when they couldn’t be more different.
It’s very dumb of you. I don’t know what else to say. You insist on digging yourself farther down, so again: I give up.
Just try to at least leave it in this thread, would you?
881 | simoom Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:21:24am |
re: #749 Dark_Falcon
Check out this story. Someone took a funny jab at the Tea Party crowd:
They didn’t get that quite right. It’s a freerepublic teaparty sign — here’s a pic of it:
Image: 2009-03-18-tea_bag_dems.jpg
It should say:
TEA BAG the
LIBERAL DEMS
BEFORE THEY TEA BAG YOU !!FReeRepublic.COM
882 | MandyManners Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:22:09am |
883 | sattv4u2 Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:22:47am |
re: #857 drcordell
Go fix my cell phone.
Sorry
I don’t think anyone still works on those old analog “bag phones”
You do know you can get a freeebie with a 2 year contract !?!?
885 | drcordell Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:24:00am |
re: #879 Silvergirl
Faze.
Name calling isn’t nice in general. I just did it to Mike Huckabee, though he probably can’t hear me. In arguing politics, comparisons to others who seemingly hold like views are usual. If it is perceived you aren’t loyal to your country, that may come up. Low blows. A person’s personal life and livelihood? The lowest.
Touche.
886 | Donna Ballard Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:29:27am |
I don’t like Trolls drcordell, and as far as I’m concerned you are one! I’ve only been posting here for a month or so and I couldn’t understand what the term “Troll” meant. I do now! I’m gonna log off too and let my anger that you have inflicted on me drain away. I have enough stress in my life, I don’t need you adding to it!
To my friends, I hope you all have a fabulous day! Keep Laughing Lizards, maybe it’ll chase the troll away! :-)
887 | SasyMomaCat Wed, Feb 10, 2010 10:50:35am |
Drive-by post (and late to the party, at that) - I apologize in advance for the bad form of posting and running, but I don’t have time at the moment to fully catch up or to hang out and reply. Some of this may have already been addressed and is strictly drawn from my own limited knowledge and personal interactions.
First, comparing GWB to Ahmadinajad (sp?) in the application of religious beliefs to government behavior is not an accurate comparison primarily (and for a whole lot of other reasons, too, but I’ll stick to this one) because Iran is a theocracy and the religious views espoused by Amhadeinajad are essentially considered the law of the land whereas the US is a democratic republic with checks and balances in existence to prevent one person’s religious ideals from becoming the standing policy of the nation. On another board I used to frequent where theology and religion was discussed at length, we had one Muslim poster who went to great lengths to try to explain how and why Islam as a religion is necessarily also directly linked to government and politics. While we in the U.S. are generally able to separate church and state, that concept is completely foreign to an Islamic theocracy such as Iran. (Walter might be able to expound on this better - I think I remember him saying he had studied comparative religion extensively).
Regarding the belief of all Jews returning to Israel, it was my understanding that this was a Jewish belief that the return of the diaspora to Israel would open the door for the appearance of the Messiah. This is based on conversations with a dear friend that happens to be Jewish and is involved in a mission that helps bring Ethiopian Jews back to Israel. (Please, by all means, if this is not the prevailing belief, correct me there - I’m certainly no authority on Jewish theology).
There is a somewhat related belief in many branches of fundamental Christianity. However, it doesn’t involve return of Jews to Israel. The belief is that the spread of the Gospel to all people (once everyone has had the opportunity to accept or reject it) will usher in the rapture and second coming of Jesus Christ.
Again, all of that is based on my limited knowledge of the subjects.
Okay, gotta run for now - hope to pop back in later.